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Friday, April 16th, 2010, 00:04 UTC

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k-man:

is it possible to schedule a recording from the command line?

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darkdrgn2k:

k-man: gonna tkae a guess and say insert into database

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k, k-man: better to use the perl/python bindings

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** darkdrgn2k runs and hides as he knows hes gonna get it for suggesting that **

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k-man:

darkdrgn2k: yeah, but there's no cli interface to do it yet?

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k-man:

at least no pre written one

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wagnerrp:

k-man: depends on if you call the python interactive interpreter to be a CLI

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darkdrgn2k:

k-man: sounds like your volentereing to write one

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wagnerrp:

open python, load the python modules (import MythTV), connect to the database (db = MythTV.MythDB()), search for a show (show=db.searchGuide(title=whatever,subtitle=whatever,category=whatever, ...), create a recording rule (show[0].record())

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wagnerrp:

k-man: ^^^

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k-man:

wagnerrp: cool thanks for the pointers

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wagnerrp:

thats assuming youre running 0.23 or better

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k-man:

it would be cool to ssh into your box and be able to schedule recordings

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wagnerrp:

cant use web?

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know how one can attach a ExpressVU pvr 2 myth?

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: analog capture and ir blaster

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sphery:

ssh then lynx

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm...

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh thatds what im thinking too LOL

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sphery:

(that for the command-line scheduling of recordings :)

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, im halfway through a curses menu for the backend

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wagnerrp:

but i stalled several weeks back

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sphery:

k-man: though really, it would likely be a /lot/ easier to just use ssh's SOCKS5 proxy support and just use a normal web browser

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wagnerrp:

or, just open your web server to the world

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sphery:

or that

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k-man:

sphery: yeah i know – its just i was at my sisters place last night, wanted to record something, and setting up a proxy etc was possible but I didn't have the energy

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sphery:

and use fwknop if you want to open it to the world who knows your secret handshake

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sphery:

(but not the rest)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah, i ought to get that set up with pw protetion

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darkdrgn2k:

how much is the component capture device

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darkdrgn2k:

think its fomr happauge right

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darkdrgn2k:

whats it called

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wagnerrp:

$150 to $250, depending on where and when you buy it

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iamlindoro_:

And it's called the Hauppauge HD-PVR

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darkdrgn2k:

that it thanx

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darkdrgn2k:

i wish there was a way to actualy use the dam duel tuner on the bell pvr LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

asside from using THEIR pvr

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darkdrgn2k:

150? lol where do you get it for 150?

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wagnerrp:

rare deal from Dell SB

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darkdrgn2k:

really?

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darkdrgn2k:

its 220 here!

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k-man:

why not get a silicon dust HDHomerun?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: theyre for an entirely different purpose

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iamlindoro_:

because he can't capture from his satellite box with it?

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

ok, sorry – ill be quiet noe

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k-man:

now

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darkdrgn2k:

k-man: its ok.. canada has really retarded rules

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darkdrgn2k:

or rather lack or rules and the companies run amock LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

new egg is $215.99 :-S damit

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iamlindoro_:

darkdrgn2k, Please ease up on the profanity, it's against channel rules

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: sorry...

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iamlindoro_:

s'ok

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darkdrgn2k:

... im to young :-S didnt consider that profanity... LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

ill keep it in check

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darkdrgn2k:

is the HD-PVR worth it?

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wagnerrp:

if you want HD over cable or satellite, there is no other choice

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: for now.... LOL well probably for ever due to encryption

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: but liek compaired to firewire, is it comparible

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sphery:

IMHO, cable TV isn't worth it

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darkdrgn2k:

(i know i cant do firewire but..)

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sphery:

OTA ftw!

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darkdrgn2k:

i get 1 channel on ATSC :-S

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sphery:

larger and higher antenna

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sphery:

:)

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darkdrgn2k:

no

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darkdrgn2k:

i live in a faraday cage :(

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darkdrgn2k:

and my balcony faces the wrong way

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sphery:

there's a roof, right? and it gets dark every night, right?

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darkdrgn2k:

lol dont tempt me :-p

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darkdrgn2k:

my friend 10 block away gets liek 20 channels.. i get 1

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darkdrgn2k:

tried an amp. but thats a waste

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darkdrgn2k:

i have no idea what else to try

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sphery:

maybe you can make a case to the apartment/condo/building management/association to allow you to install one (and possibly amplify/distribute it)

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sphery:

one = a real antenna on the roof

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh not gonna happen

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darkdrgn2k:

rogers and bell already have their gear throught

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sphery:

ah, yeah, that may make it hard

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darkdrgn2k:

and theres to much politicase around

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darkdrgn2k:

wrost part is i dont know WHERE to point the antenna

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darkdrgn2k:

since im facing the wrong way

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sphery:

yeah, usually the case when the cable co has its hands in the place

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darkdrgn2k:

... actualy the wrost prat is the transmitters are so bloody low powered!@

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry @ ill refrence

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darkdrgn2k:

right now im picking up a 15 kW transmiter

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nutron:

Without starting a long discussion, can someone point me to the partial work that was done on the multi-user implementation? Seems that all links that point to any of it direct me to empty non-existant wikipages and trac source.

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wagnerrp:

nutron: i dont believe there is any currently applicable work to be viewed

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wagnerrp:

any that may exists is from ancient versions o fmythtv

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nutron:

wagnerrp: not even a spec/discussion of what should or was implemented?

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wagnerrp:

the last time i heard someone really looked into it was a failed GSoC 2006 project

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mag0o:

sphery: got that svn switch link handy? (silly, i know you have it right there at your fingertips)

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wagnerrp:

nutron: any work on such a task should probably wait until after some internal refactoring of video content planned for 0.24

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sphery:

mag0o: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/405538#405538 ?

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sphery:

update the branch numnber, though

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mag0o:

yeah, that one :)

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darkdrgn2k:

ok wierd

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darkdrgn2k:

i get

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darkdrgn2k:

2010-04–15 21:00:44.180 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.40.200:6543 (try 1 of 1)

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darkdrgn2k:

2010-04–15 21:00:44.181 Connection to master server timed out.

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darkdrgn2k:

Either the server is down or the master server settings

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mag0o:

i was close, i narrowed the results down to your email and "svn switch"

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mag0o:

only like a bajillion results

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darkdrgn2k:

trying to start the myth backeed.. problem is 4.200 IS the backend im starging

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sphery:

heh

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darkdrgn2k:

ooo nm sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

my bad!

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Captain_Murdoch:

nutron, there are a couple of us devs who are interested in looking into true multi-user support, but I doubt it will be in time for 0.24, definitely not 0.23. I've started writing down some ideas, but we don't have anything formal yet.

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darkdrgn2k:

Captain_Murdoch: what do you mean by "true" multi user support?

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wagnerrp:

he means multiple logins

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wagnerrp:

and proper management of shared and independent recordings

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darkdrgn2k:

aaa i see.

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darkdrgn2k:

interesting..

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wagnerrp:

something that will probably be a lot easier to manage with already-planned changes

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darkdrgn2k:

wow changed the antenna and im getting more channels now... who would of thought..

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm if you delete a channel that myth was on..

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darkdrgn2k:

shouldnt it just pick a new channel and not give up

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darkdrgn2k:

"TVRec(3) Error: Failed to set channel to 8. Reverting to kState_None"

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darkdrgn2k:

hey any iea how i can add a chanenel to SD?

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darkdrgn2k:

my OTA doesnt have WNED

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iamlindoro_:

File a ticket

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iamlindoro_:

(with SD)

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darkdrgn2k:

is it appropriate. Sicne im in Canada and its a US channel/

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why not, they should carry any channels within reasonable reception distance

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iamlindoro_:

If you have a SD account, yes. They service Canada also

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iamlindoro_:

Though if it's not legally your market then they may just close it as invalid

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iamlindoro_:

(suspect they probably will)

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm wierd..

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darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.com/HJYyxVYV <- this is not normal behaviour is it?

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wagnerrp:

what about that looks bad?

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darkdrgn2k:

well the screen went black :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

and what with all the pathnam updates

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wagnerrp:

not in those logs

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darkdrgn2k:

thats the back end

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darkdrgn2k:

well slave

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wagnerrp:

the backend doesnt have any X output

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darkdrgn2k:

master & front end goes

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darkdrgn2k:

2010-04–15 21:21:55.916 NVP(2): Prebuffer wait timed out 740 times.

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darkdrgn2k:

2010-04–15 21:21:55.916 NVP(2), Error: Timed out waiting for prebuffering too long. Exiting..

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darkdrgn2k:

front end also froze

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darkdrgn2k:

http://imagebin.ca/view/lcz-DzhP.html <- thats X output

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nutron:

sorry I had to go afk.

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nutron:

Captain_Murdoch: is there a page outlining the ideas?

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nutron:

I've got some ideas and have looked through the code, I think it's needed for remote front ends and true parental control (on a whole frontend basis)

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wagnerrp:

nutron: primarily personal discussion between devs

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wagnerrp:

nutron: theres a lot more than 'user support' for true parental control

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wagnerrp:

needed for

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nutron:

wagnerrp: I see.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv as a whole has very limited concept of security

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wagnerrp:

about the only thing that exists is the PIN on the upnp auto-detection

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wagnerrp:

and thats readily defeated

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nutron:

wagnerrp: yeah I'm aware of that, though it's not just parental control, but parental control from a users perspective is imho the most important aspect.

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dougt:

does anyone know what the configure options that ubuntu uses?

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wagnerrp:

the current rationale for multi-user mythtv is not for security purposes

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wagnerrp:

but more so people can have their own recording rules, their own recordings, their own bookmarks

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nutron:

Oh I see, though I was under that impression.

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wagnerrp:

and can manage them as they please without interferring with other users' data

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wagnerrp:

dougt: check '--version'

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dougt:

right, could someone do that that has 0.22 installed :-)

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darkdrgn2k:

is there a reason i get flooded with these in my log

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darkdrgn2k:

2010-04–15 21:57:18.057 ProgramInfo(): Updated pathname '':'' -> '2571_20100415220135.mpg'

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dougt:

darkdrgn2k: i see the same thing on the trunk.

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darkdrgn2k:

ok any idea why mythfilldatabase wont overwrite the junk that in EIT

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darkdrgn2k:

even though i turend off onairguide for those channels

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nichos:

hi all, in having a problem w/my front end, when watching live TV it'll sometimes hang. the video will freeze and the audio will loop

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nichos:

i can't ssh or ctral alt F2

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nichos:

the system can run forever if not watching live

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wagnerrp:

you have a keyboard plugged in?

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darkdrgn2k:

lol:-p

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wagnerrp:

(i presume you do if you try to switch virtual terminals)

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wagnerrp:

but is it hardwired?

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nichos:

i have a KB, it's wireless

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nichos:

no BT, just wireless

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darkdrgn2k:

nichos: try hardwired

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wagnerrp:

do you have any sort of numlock/scrolllock indicator?

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nichos:

wagnerrp: no

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wagnerrp:

do you have a keyboard you could plug in with those lights?

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nichos:

i do

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: if you flag a videou srouce as "preforme EIT scan" will it ignore SD?

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wagnerrp:

do it, and try to replicate the behavior

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wagnerrp:

if those two lights are blinking in unison

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nichos:

do you think it's the cause, or a good step to troubleshooting?

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wagnerrp:

you have experienced a kernel fault

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nichos:

ok

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nichos:

all I could find was this: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /241180.html but no responses

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wagnerrp:

if not, then youre in some IO lock, perhaps from a hard drive crash

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nichos:

wagnerrp: what would cause that? Faulty drive?

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goodfella121:

So, I've run into some problems with my capture device. Anyone think they'd be able to help?

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wagnerrp:

faulty drive, faulty disk controller, something of that sort

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nichos:

oiy!

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wagnerrp:

but access to the disk has stalled

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wagnerrp:

so your system cannot access the necessary files to allow a ssh login

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wagnerrp:

actually... how does ssh fail

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wagnerrp:

does it just hang there?

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nichos:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

does it say connection refused?

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nichos:

pings respond though

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goodfella121:

I mean, is Dazzle Fusion even compatible with Ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

or does it just time out

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darkdrgn2k:

can you ping the machine :-P

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wagnerrp:

if you can ping, the machine is online

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nichos:

no, hangs (for some time, perhaps i didn't wait long enough)

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wagnerrp:

if ssh just hangs there, its probably waiting for access to your password files

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wagnerrp:

meaning some disk problem

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nichos:

so again, possibly the drive

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nichos:

naturally since I got it all setup:)

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nichos:

what would the IO lock indicate?

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wagnerrp:

bad disk, bad controller, bad drivers, any number of other things

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nichos:

ok

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nichos:

so sounds like we think it's a hardware problem

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nichos:

i'll start w/the drive

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nichos:

thanks for the help wagnerrp

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darkdrgn2k:

ok any idea why one of the channels would crash on me?

[02:44:48]

darkdrgn2k:

just Prebuffer wait timed out 240 times.

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wagnerrp:

a third?

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darkdrgn2k:

?

[02:47:50]

wagnerrp:

two dashes

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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dougt:

I sometimes see this error from a Mac FE when looking at mythvideo:

[02:56:45]

dougt:

Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Coverart@192.168.1.100:6543/7518_coverart.jpg

[02:57:03]

dougt:

that file does exist on the backend:

[02:57:05]

wagnerrp:

the file is not found on the backend

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dougt:

dougt@mythtv:/data/coverart$ ls -al 7518_coverart.jpg

[02:57:09]

dougt:

-rw-r--r-- 1 dougt dougt 313614 Apr 12 20:45 7518_coverart.jpg

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iamlindoro__:

Qt on mac requires some funky plugin to be able to load JPG

[02:58:01]

** sphery was too slow **

[02:58:22]

sphery:

my reply was way later than iamlindoro__'s

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dougt:

iamlindoro: hmm. let me see how it was built here.

[02:58:48]

iamlindoro__:

"Let me check and decide if I think you're right."

[02:58:49]

sphery:

on the bright side, though, I think I said pretty much the same thing you said

[02:58:50]

iamlindoro__:

;)

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dougt:

iamlindoro: lol.

[02:59:03]

dougt:

iamlindoro: exactly.

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darkdrgn2k:

soo ... any one know how i can fix some bad EIT data on a couple channel with SD data?

[03:00:08]

sphery:

darkdrgn2k: you can't mix EIT and SD on the same channels

[03:00:29]

sphery:

it will cause untold pain--possibly resulting in the end of the universe

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sphery:

do you mean, "I accidentally had EIT enabled on some channels and it broke my wonderful SD data"? If so, I can help fix that.

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iamlindoro__:

Universal Null Pointer, universe asplode

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: so you say stick with SD data cause its better :-P

[03:01:39]

sphery:

darkdrgn2k3: definitely

[03:01:53]

darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: honestly i woud like EIT data on like 2 channels cause SD doesnt have them listed

[03:02:32]

sphery:

or give it up, save yourself $20 and then complain to MythTV developers that your EIT data isn't working and get them to commit to donating hundreds of dollars worth of their own free time to fix ATSC EIT from your provider so you can save $20

[03:02:51]

sphery:

basically, though, you can't do both EIT /and/ SD on the same channel

[03:03:24]

darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: can i do EIT on 2 chanenls and the rest SD :-P

[03:03:28]

sphery:

if you remove the 2 channels from your SD lineup and enable EIT on /only/ those channels, you should be good

[03:03:41]

sphery:

i.e. don't do both EIT and SD on the /same/ channel

[03:03:47]

darkdrgn2k3:

can i just remove the XMLID ?

[03:04:19]

sphery:

remove it from your lineup

[03:04:22]

sphery:

but also remove the xmltvid

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sphery:

if you leave it in the lineup, it may be readded and cause issues

[03:04:56]

darkdrgn2k3:

well its ok.. the channel doesnt exist on sd anyawy

[03:04:58]

darkdrgn2k3:

so anyway

[03:04:59]

sphery:

don't ever leave a chance for confusion

[03:05:02]

darkdrgn2k3:

hey sphery...

[03:05:04]

sphery:

never cross the streams!

[03:05:13]

darkdrgn2k3:

eit has screwed up my wonderfull sd data.. can you help?

[03:05:20]

sphery:

I'd love to...

[03:05:23]

darkdrgn2k3:

:)

[03:05:32]

sphery:

best bet is to get rid of /all/ of your data and then re-pull the data from SD

[03:05:57]

darkdrgn2k3:

k

[03:06:04]

darkdrgn2k3:

delete from ???

[03:06:14]

sphery:

to get rid of the data you have 2 options... if you have any channel issues, you could do a Delete all video sources ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 )

[03:06:36]

darkdrgn2k3:

dont have channel issues..

[03:06:42]

sphery:

another option is to shut down all mythtv apps, then: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE program;'

[03:06:50]

sphery:

or, what you should probably try first

[03:06:57]

sphery:

is just: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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sphery:

that will likely work--but make sure you've disabled EIT on all channels that you're pulling from SD /before/ doing that

[03:07:52]

sphery:

so start with just fixing the use on air guide setting, then run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[03:08:01]

sphery:

if that works, that's the best approach

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darkdrgn2k3:

k

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sphery:

(truncate will leave some garbage in your DB, and delete all video sources will require reconfiguring all your video sources and card inputs and channels)

[03:09:14]

sphery:

the mfdb --refresh-all should just replace any broken data on the channels in yourlineup

[03:10:25]

** darkdrgn2k3 crosses fingers **

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darkdrgn2k3:

while that happening

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darkdrgn2k3:

i have one channel thats crashing my frontend....

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darkdrgn2k3:

log shows prebuffer pause on FE

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darkdrgn2k3:

screen is rozeon

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darkdrgn2k3:

like this

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darkdrgn2k3:

http://pastebin.com/HJYyxVYV

[03:12:56]

sphery:

don't know what that could be

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darkdrgn2k3:

wierd part was i was wathing it

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darkdrgn2k3:

then CSI came on and screen went black

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darkdrgn2k3:

:-S

[03:13:36]

darkdrgn2k3:

(not that i wanted to watch CSI but it was wierd)

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: the screen didnt go black, they were just zooming in on some video footage

[03:14:55]

wagnerrp:

and zoomed in past the limits of a single black pixel

[03:15:18]

wagnerrp:

if you look closely, you can see the assailant's face in that single black pixel

[03:15:24]

darkdrgn2k3:

:-P

[03:15:28]

sphery:

enhance!\

[03:15:34]

wagnerrp:

kl;akljl;ilk;o;ifvw

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darkdrgn2k3:

*indian accent* "Good One Buddy"

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wagnerrp:

oh just print the da-- thing!

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sphery:

iamlindoro__ is missing RoboCop on Fringe!

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darkdrgn2k3:

wanna hear somethign really crazy...

[03:16:59]

iamlindoro__:

shut up shut up shut up

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wagnerrp:

nah, he retired to archeology...

[03:17:23]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro__: not revealing anything, the SD description mentioned he was in this episode

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darkdrgn2k3:

my TV apperntly does not support DD/DTS passthrough on HDMI inputs....

[03:17:51]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: not sure if i believe that

[03:18:01]

sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe it's Buckaroo Banzai... after all, he /is/ a physicist

[03:18:10]

darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: i'd love to hear idea how i could try to fix it...

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sphery:

Buckaroo is, that is

[03:18:26]

darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: only DD output i can get is the internal ATSC tuner in the tv.

[03:18:51]

darkdrgn2k3:

i got a optical cable going from the TV to the receiver....

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wagnerrp:

that said, ive not actually gotten dd/dts passthrough to my tv working

[03:19:17]

darkdrgn2k3:

ALSA manages to break through.. but the initial 10–30 seconds is exrushiating painful digital as pcm noise

[03:19:20]

wagnerrp:

but i figured 2ch pcm is perfectly sufficient for its built in pair of 10w speakers

[03:20:08]

wagnerrp:

i wasnt going to get anything out of passthrough, so i didnt bother to hard trying to get it working

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darkdrgn2k3:

lol

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darkdrgn2k3:

i cant find any evidance of people getting it acually working.. which is a real anying :-DS

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darkdrgn2k3:

and i cant seem to get my boar'd optical out to work

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i get your comment now (watching the episode)

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wagnerrp:

this seems like its going to be a confusing episode

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johnnyj:

sigh...compiling on a Revo sucks a$$

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wagnerrp:

so why are you?

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johnnyj:

i didn't realize it'd be that bad

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wagnerrp:

use distcc, or build packages on another machine, or nfs mount the whole file system onto another machine and chroot to compile

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Abo:

Hi All, please help. No live TV on mythtv. TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started. Thanks

[04:43:45]

[R]:

where is thst?

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[R]:

that*

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Abo:

IN mythtv frontend log (var/log/mythtv/mythtvfrontend.log)

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[R]:

and what does it say in the backend log

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Abo:

haven't looked, will take a look nowm just a sec.

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Abo:

last three lines: 2010-04–16 06:00:38.097 MythSocket(e9d3c0:31): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms.

[04:49:32]

Abo:

QMutex::unlock: mutex lock failure:

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Abo:

2010-04–16 06:21:37.680 Reloading backend settings

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[R]:

3 lines tell us nothing

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Abo:

I am new so what should I provide. Paste the the entire log in pastebin?

[04:50:58]

[R]:

of course

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[R]:

like i said... 3 lines tell nothig

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johnnyj:

i know how to mount the fs using nfs – i'm a little iffy from on knowing how to mount the /proc to make sure it compile's correctly from within the chroot

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[R]:

johnnyj: mount --bind works great for stuff likethat

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Abo:

How do IO get my logs into pastebin?

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wagnerrp:

johnnyj, [R]: proc and sysfs work better for those

[04:53:15]

[R]:

wagnerrp: ?

[04:53:24]

johnnyj:

um... so anyway i've got the fs mounted at /usr/local/nfs/othersytemname

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wagnerrp:

just mount them new

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[R]:

bind always works for me

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johnnyj:

but the server has amd x3 – and i'm compiplign for atom

[04:54:22]

johnnyj:

that does matter, doesnt it?

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wagnerrp:

depends if youre compiling specially for it

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wagnerrp:

or if youre doing generic x86_64

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dfletcher:

very good! just ordered the pvr-500 and a serial IR blaster (temp until I can make a better circuit for channel control ;) thanks so much wagnerrp for pointing me in the right direction on the card! I'm totally excited to get myth working and wifey wants to design a theme with me :)

[04:55:22]

wagnerrp:

i would bet gcc doesnt have significant optimization for the atom

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johnnyj:

so for myth-0–23 should I just mount it, chroot, and ./configure it ?

[05:00:01]

sphery:

ye/tb

[05:00:10]

wagnerrp:

sphery: that was a fantastic episode

[05:00:17]

sphery:

still watching it

[05:00:26]

wagnerrp:

'was' means finished

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sphery:

just got to the part where he's calibrating the "device"

[05:00:33]

wagnerrp:

'just finished' as it were

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wagnerrp:

oh

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sphery:

I'm at 38min in]

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wagnerrp:

i thought you already watched it

[05:01:12]

sphery:

got distracted

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wagnerrp:

heh... such things happen

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johnnyj:

oh wait... if I already ran configure then those options are already set

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, great episode

[05:21:05]

nutron:

sphery: what show, I missed it.

[05:21:15]

sphery:

Fringe

[05:21:37]

nutron:

oh never heard of it, I'll go look it up

[05:21:49]

sphery:

It's on Fox.

[05:22:06]

sphery:

Pretty good. J.J. Abrams show

[05:22:53]

nutron:

Oh more mind-bending twin peaks fun? :)

[05:23:10]

sphery:

definitely mind bending--and universe bending, and time bending, and ...

[05:23:17]

nutron:

Just got the fox short description. I'll have to fire it in the recordings list.

[05:23:49]

nutron:

is lost almost done?

[05:24:09]

sphery:

yeah, only a few more episodes left

[05:24:43]

sphery:

season 1 was great, 2–4 were to make sure only true believers got the wonders of 5 and 6

[05:24:55]

sphery:

but 5 and 6 have made it all worthwhile

[05:27:57]

nutron:

good stuff, only watched it 'till season 3...

[05:28:03]

nutron:

need to catch up methinks

[05:28:19]

nutron:

I hope it doesn't get all "mystical" :S

[05:28:24]

** wagnerrp wonders why our mailing list is so ignorant **

[05:29:46]

wagnerrp:

theres one user on there who seems to equate disk bandwidth with CPU power

[05:39:07]

johnnyj:

whoo hoo – sudo make install...

[05:40:57]

johnnyj:

yikes

[05:41:15]

johnnyj:

the highlighted options on my menus are blank

[05:41:28]

iamlindoro__:

you have old themes

[05:41:34]

johnnyj:

ah

[05:41:42]

iamlindoro__:

.22 theme, .23 install, bad juju

[05:43:28]

wagnerrp:

'cant get svideo out working on radeon 7500'

[05:43:36]

wagnerrp:

what is that... '96? '97?

[05:44:18]

wagnerrp:

2000? that cant be right... i thought those things were older than that

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johnnyj:

...fixed the invalid libs issue...

[05:52:47]

johnnyj:

switched to arclight...

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johnnyj:

oh nice

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johnnyj:

gosh – this is slick

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wagnerrp:

note to self, do not try to crush the giant spider on your desk with a cup that doesnt have a flat bottom

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johnnyj:

...p.s. – invest in raid

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wagnerrp:

i pounded on it like four times

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wagnerrp:

and each time it managed to fit into one of the narrow slots on the bottom of this glass

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** johnnyj is now watching fringe S01E01 **

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johnnyj:

how did i miss this for 5 seasons?

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johnnyj:

ok – good night all

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johnnyj:

thanks

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iamlindoro__:

johnnyj in a Fringe time warp

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iamlindoro__:

He's from a mysterious future where there are five seasons

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justinh:

ho ho ho

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justinh:

wth? http://shop.o2.co.uk/joggler looks like a nice toy

[07:16:28]

justinh:

wifi, touch screen, linux-enableable... under £50? :-O

[07:17:19]

justinh:

but there's no battery built in... meh

[07:17:35]

justinh:

still though...

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justinh:

Whaaaaaaa? Mythtv on this 'Joggler' thingy, playing 'live tv' ? :-O NO KING WAY!

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justinh:

http://www.twitpic.com/1furpv

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justinh:

http://www.twitpic.com/1fur8f no no no no no this cannot be right.

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justinh:

Dibblah: this looks too good to be true

[07:31:00]

wagnerrp:

justinh: you cant trust any of those pictures, hes a vegan

[07:31:23]

justinh:

1Ghz ish CPU, 512MB RAM, 1GB internal flash

[07:31:34]

justinh:

intel GMA500 graphics, intel HD audio...

[07:31:40]

wagnerrp:

you found specs for it?

[07:31:45]

justinh:

yup

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justinh:

I'm not thinking about it as a myth frontend

[07:31:58]

wagnerrp:

if its got a GMA500... im sure Beirdo would appreciate being sent one

[07:32:13]

wagnerrp:

hes working on hardware decoding support for that chip

[07:32:24]

justinh:

I'm thinking woo, cheapo & cheerful home control panel

[07:32:39]

justinh:

control panel cum network music streaming thingy

[07:33:17]

wagnerrp:

i really hate when they call flash 'memory'

[07:33:23]

justinh:

looks way more capable/hackable than Sonos/squeezebox junk

[07:33:36]

justinh:

wagnerrp: lol people call HDDs memory too

[07:34:02]

wagnerrp:

'mains only'... guess that means no battery

[07:34:13]

wagnerrp:

this is going to be stationary

[07:34:14]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

but any hardware hacker could add a battery to make it portable :)

[07:34:51]

wagnerrp:

sure

[07:35:03]

wagnerrp:

wall wart power makes that simple

[07:35:13]

justinh:

for under £50 this has got to be a steal

[07:35:32]

justinh:

but for all the o2 website says "now £49.99" the shopping cart still says £99.99

[07:35:50]

wagnerrp:

now actually measuring the remaining capacity of the battery? that would take some effort

[07:36:17]

justinh:

I presume it has USB & stuff

[07:37:43]

wagnerrp:

sure, but can you buy general purpose 'smart' batteries?

[07:38:02]

wagnerrp:

or would you have to rig up your own control chip?

[07:38:20]

justinh:

maybe

[07:38:46]

justinh:

anyway, as a smart home control panel it's more than 10 times cheaper than the ready-rolled stuff, and way more fun

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justinh:

hahaha somebody added a HDD

[07:40:11]

justinh:

http://www.hi-pda.com/forum/viewthread.php?ti . . . 1&page=1

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Tanthrix:

Am I correct in assuming that mythtv over wifi is still a bad idea these days?

[07:41:18]

wagnerrp:

yes

[07:41:45]

Tanthrix:

That's what I was afraid of.

[07:41:51]

justinh:

it was always a bad idea

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justinh:

relying on wireless for anything which needs a sustained data rate is a bad idea

[07:42:08]

Tanthrix:

Yah, just wondering if N finally solved the issues. Pipe dream.

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Tanthrix:

Well in that case, I've got some cable to run! Going to be setting up a multi-house mythtv system.

[07:42:57]

justinh:

multi-house?

[07:43:02]

Tanthrix:

Multi as in 2. heh

[07:43:06]

justinh:

that's stretching the limits of 'fair use' somewhat

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Tanthrix:

Perhaps. But it's a stretch I'm OK with.

[07:45:10]

Tanthrix:

Basically, my fiance and I are buying the house nextdoor and moving. We're planning on leaving a backend here, with the frontend over there to watch what we record here.

[07:45:39]

justinh:

wagnerrp: anyway re sending something to Beirdo.. I've looked at sending stuff before. Shipping for anything costs a bloody fortune from here

[07:45:43]

Tanthrix:

Same thing we do now, except instead of 20 feet between backend and frontend there will be a few hundred. Interesting challenege to run the wire.

[07:46:09]

wagnerrp:

justinh: hes already got a fitpc that hes working on to get the drivers running

[07:46:21]

justinh:

I picked up those t-online S100 boxes for £25 apiece & looked at sending one to the US.. was gonna be over £30

[07:46:31]

wagnerrp:

heh

[07:46:36]

justinh:

I mean I'm generous but... ;-)

[07:46:51]

wagnerrp:

i shipped some memory to someone in canada

[07:47:08]

wagnerrp:

it was $10 worth of old SDR, and cost $25 due to international rates

[07:47:09]

justinh:

I sent a minidisc to the state once. That wasn't too expensive

[07:47:16]

Tanthrix:

Canada isn't too bad if I recall...I had to ship an eyepiece up there once via USPS.

[07:47:22]

Dibblah:

justinh: It's dual core too.

[07:47:36]

justinh:

dual core? atom something or other then?

[07:47:43]

Tanthrix:

I think it was $15–20 all together, but my memory could be mistaken. Sometimes USPS is cheaper for that sort of stuff.

[07:47:52]

justinh:

everything about it is saying I have to get one to play with

[07:47:59]

justinh:

one/two/three

[07:48:11]

justinh:

3 for less than a piece of crap squeezebox costs

[07:48:35]

justinh:

add IR remote for what.. £20 over the USB? ;-)

[07:48:57]

Tanthrix:

So, is it possible (in reality, not just in theory) for myth to have its recordings done onto a network share, or is that considered a stupid thing to do?

[07:49:07]

justinh:

they say that putting ubuntu on this thing is 'easy peasy'

[07:49:32]

Dibblah:

Not exactly "easy".

[07:49:33]

justinh:

Tanthrix: recording onto NFS? why not?

[07:49:52]

Tanthrix:

Just wondering if it was considered bad practice

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Dibblah:

It's possible, but personally, I wouldn't.

[07:50:07]

Dibblah:

Purely due to the number of round trips.

[07:50:36]

justinh:

oh (!) CAR PC! :-O

[07:50:47]

Tanthrix:

I'd prefer to have my recordings on my main master be / fe to make seeking / playback as fast as possible, but if it's stupid I'll just leave them on the slave and stream them

[07:50:57]

Dibblah:

BTW, the stand is NOT just decorative.

[07:51:08]

justinh:

Dibblah: what stand?

[07:51:13]

Dibblah:

So you have to think about heatsinking

[07:51:19]

justinh:

heh

[07:51:32]

Dibblah:

There's a metal bracket at the back that holds the screen at it's angle.

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justinh:

not been this excited about a gadget in a while

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Dibblah:

http://cdn1.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/ . . . -480x306.jpg

[07:52:29]

Dibblah:

Hasn't the special ended?

[07:52:37]

Dibblah:

Oh, no today.

[07:52:56]

Dibblah:

Returns to £100, at which it isn't quite as much of a steal tomorrow.

[07:53:33]

justinh:

looks like it's already back at £100

[07:53:53]

Tanthrix:

So what's the basic procedure, in 20 words or less, to setup a slave backend with an existing mythtv system?

[07:53:57]

justinh:

they say 'was £99.99 now £49.99' but their shopping cart doesn't agree

[07:54:04]

Tanthrix:

Not seeing much in the wiki on slaves, and never had reason to do it before in the past few years

[07:54:13]

wagnerrp:

run mythtv-setup on slave, configure mythtv, run mythbackend

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justinh:

Tanthrix: same way you set up a master backend

[07:54:43]

justinh:

tell it where the db lives, where the master lives.. badabing

[07:54:48]

wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: the _only_ difference between a master and a slave backend, is that the 'masterbackendip' set in mythtv-setup defines which one is the master

[07:54:57]

Tanthrix:

Gotcha, sounds pretty simple

[07:55:03]

Dibblah:

Nope. It's back up to 99.

[07:55:08]

Dibblah:

:(

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justinh:

Dibblah: still though.. gonna be a number of people who get bored with em & put them on the bay I expect

[07:55:58]

justinh:

but now I know they exist I can keep my ear to the ground

[07:56:05]

justinh:

how the hell did this thing pass me by?

[07:56:07]

Dibblah:

Yup. Especially given their flash frontend.

[07:56:23]

Dibblah:

I did say, in here, about it – You must have missed it :(

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Tanthrix:

So does the slave backend handle video sources, inputs, etc.. and all the settings for the cards present in the slave?

[07:57:30]

justinh:

Tanthrix: it's just like a regular backend

[07:57:31]

Tanthrix:

I'm basically moving all the cards (HD PVR and A180) from my working be/fe system to the slave be. Could I just dump the database then make the appropriate changes across the board to avoid having to resetup everything?

[07:57:43]

justinh:

Tanthrix: best to set it up all over again

[07:57:49]

wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: the only thing the master does that a slave doesnt is run the upnp server, and run the scheduler

[07:57:53]

justinh:

than doing it half-assed

[07:58:08]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. The reason I ask is I remember it was a terrible pain to get all the xml stuff setup properly for my OTA card

[07:58:10]

wagnerrp:

besides that, they have exactly the same behavior and capability

[07:58:28]

Tanthrix:

but that was an older version of myth – I suspect the channel scanner crashing problem may be fixed by now

[07:58:37]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Good to know, thanks.

[07:59:00]

justinh:

Dibblah: loonix install process doesn't look more involved than I expected :)

[07:59:03]

Tanthrix:

xmltv stuff I mean. Mapping the channels to the schedules direct data

[07:59:29]

Dibblah:

It isn't, for someone that's set up Myth, etc.

[07:59:30]

Tanthrix:

Suppose I could just leave the OTA card in the current system and see if I can make it work with a DIY antenna

[07:59:42]

Dibblah:

For the target market, it's rocket science.

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justinh:

Dibblah: rofl. brain surgery, even.

[08:00:01]

Dibblah:

Wierdly, it has a socket for the firmware.

[08:00:16]

Dibblah:

ie the TSOP-2 flash chip.

[08:00:25]

justinh:

still, even at £100 it's still way cheaper than the logitech/sonos/crestron junk

[08:00:35]

Dibblah:

... Which, if I was to buy it, would cost around £25.

[08:01:02]

justinh:

you want TSSOP flash chips?

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Dibblah:

No. The sockets would be handy, though :(

[08:01:19]

justinh:

we've got zillions of em here. only up to 16MB though

[08:02:26]

Tanthrix:

By the way, had a weird experience with my Bravia TV. Previously, had a GF5 with DVI>HDMI cable and separate RCA audio.

[08:02:48]

Tanthrix:

After switching to a G210 with the same DVI>HDMI cable, the TV no longer accepts the RCA audio.

[08:02:59]

Dibblah:

girlfriend 5? What advantages does that have over version 3?

[08:03:09]

Tanthrix:

heh

[08:03:12]

wagnerrp:

yeah... known issue on some tvs, but i figured a bravia would allow you to manually specify the inputs

[08:03:25]

Tanthrix:

No, it auto-detects oh-so-helpfully

[08:03:48]

Tanthrix:

It seems weird to me since DVI does not do audio – any ideas out there on what exactly causes this to happen?

[08:03:59]

wagnerrp:

because that card doesnt do DVI

[08:04:09]

wagnerrp:

nvidia cards havent done DVI since the 8-series

[08:04:23]

Tanthrix:

Oh?

[08:04:43]

Dibblah:

"DVI" does do audio, since DVI is HDMI.

[08:04:47]

justinh:

heh. A television with configurable input matrix? ROFLMAO

[08:05:05]

Dibblah:

You need to ignore the EDID or patch it.

[08:05:14]

wagnerrp:

its a HDMI chip, so it will send the audio stream discriptor if the tv tells the card it will accept one

[08:05:18]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Thought that was the other way around. HDMI was DVI video plus audio wrapped in.

[08:05:27]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Interesting.

[08:05:34]

wagnerrp:

so as Dibblah mentions, you feed the driver your own EDID to tell it the tv will not accept audio

[08:05:38]

justinh:

DVI & HDMI have the same signals

[08:05:43]

Tanthrix:

Ah, cool. So there is a fix then.

[08:05:54]

justinh:

and with HDMI audio the sound is just embedded in the video stream

[08:06:00]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI

[08:06:12]

justinh:

so .. DVI carries video the same way as HDMI... therefore...

[08:06:22]

Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Analog_Sound_DVI_to_HDMI

[08:06:25]

Tanthrix:

Interesting

[08:06:38]

Dibblah:

Heh. :)

[08:06:48]

Dibblah:

Sorry – Blind pasting.

[08:06:53]

Tanthrix:

Thanks for the wiki link – that should fix this up nicely. I was just thinking it was some quirk of the TV

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Tanthrix:

My temp fix was to do VGA, which actually is nearly indistinguishable. Funny how some sets / monitors look absolutely awful on analog even with native res and playing around with the phase/clock while others look great

[08:08:44]

Tanthrix:

Never the less, it is worth fixing the right way! ;-)

[08:10:39]

wagnerrp:

someone needs to slap obama around a bit

[08:10:58]

Tanthrix:

By the way, whoever told me the HD-PVR worked pretty much all the time stably in myth now was totally wrong.

[08:11:08]

Tanthrix:

I'm going on 4–5 months now without a single glitch of any kind, what-so-ever.

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wagnerrp:

it has no concept of payload fraction, and it seems none of his advisers have any idea what that term means

[08:11:23]

Tanthrix:

I don't even think my PVR-150 worked this reliably

[08:11:43]

wagnerrp:

s/wrong/right/?

[08:12:11]

Tanthrix:

No, most were saying it was pretty good – what I have here is PERFECT ;)

[08:12:24]

dfletcher:

in mythweb, is there a way to change the video URL? I'd like to run a vlc streaming server and make it generate a vlc:// URL I suppose I could go in and hack the code ;) but I'd rather have a setting

[08:12:41]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: nope, you have to hack the code

[08:12:45]

justinh:

yay more settings!

[08:12:47]

dfletcher:

ah ok thanks wagnerrp

[08:12:56]

justinh:

there are hundreds of settings but we need more!

[08:13:09]

wagnerrp:

mythweb only does direct streaming of files

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Tanthrix:

I want a setting that makes me a sandwich

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justinh:

if $day_of_week = "friday"

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justinh:

I think mythtv would work much better if it was all done with ladder logic

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wagnerrp:

ladder?

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justinh:

yeah like PLCs use in industrial controls

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dfletcher:

heh btw IMO tons of settings is fine. bad organization of settings is bad :P

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justinh:

no, too many settings is BAD

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dfletcher:

e.g. a huge long list like in mythweb is horrific UI

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dfletcher:

meh, I'd rather have something down a few menu levels and available than not there

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justinh:

the settings pages in mythweb wasn't designed for regular use

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justinh:

dfletcher: well, welcome to the real world. pointless settings are being removed from mythtv all the time. to make it easier to set up & use :)

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dfletcher:

heh well if it's pointless that's another thing

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dfletcher:

I don't think my request was particularly pointless

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justinh:

it's of no use to me, and will be of no use to others, therefore it's pointless :)

[08:23:19]

justinh:

anyway I thought there was already a way of setting custom URLs in mythweb for this stuff

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dfletcher:

streaming video to laptops running VLC is pointless? what if I don't want a whole myth front end? I mean I know it's great and all but it sorta takes over :P

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wagnerrp:

'woman claims fall from wii fit board caused nerve damage resulting in persistent sexual arousal'

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justinh:

wagnerrp: where's the downside?

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wagnerrp:

now wait a minute... that wii fit board is like two inches tall

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wagnerrp:

if you suffer permanent nerve damage by falling off something a mere two inches tall, you need to be taken out of the gene pool

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wagnerrp:

youre simply not good stock

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justinh:

maybe she shouldn't have been wearing her hooker platforms at the time

[08:26:36]

** justinh summises there's a market for 'The Wii Pole' & some kind of lapdancing game **

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wagnerrp:

any wiki admins awake?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: for what? deleting the entire wishlist from the wiki? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

recent spam on one of the pages

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justinh:

lol. people pay others to write college essays? are they having a laugh?

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justinh:

3 hours' urgency, only $50? :-O

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wagnerrp:

sure, there are people out there with more money than sense

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justinh:

can't be a very good essay for that kind of money

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wagnerrp:

no, its a canned essay

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justinh:

it's got fail written all over it

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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justinh:

had to laugh last night. found out my sister in law's pc has a nasty virus. it's locked the machine & apparently encrippled everything

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wagnerrp:

ransomware?

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justinh:

sounds like it

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wagnerrp:

ive heard of such things, never personally knew anyone who ever got hit

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justinh:

didn't like it when I explained that everything may aswell be written off as lost

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justinh:

if everything really is encrypted & she won't pay the ransom...

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wagnerrp:

'oh, you mean you dont make regular backups?'

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justinh:

I keep telling people to stop using IE & OE. will they heck

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justinh:

it's more likely something braindead bro inlaw has downloaded thugh

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wagnerrp:

automated backups for the masses may be the one worthwhile thing the cloud actually brings

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wagnerrp:

apologize... 'the cloud'... forgot it was some abstract concept that needed to be quoted

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justinh:

S3 is quite handy IMHO

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justinh:

oh and "it takes me to a credit card payment page. do you think it's ok to use that?". SO tempted to say go ahead

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wagnerrp:

ill agree its handy for the occasional load spike

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wagnerrp:

but its nothing like the server Pangaea it claims to be

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justinh:

I have all my valuable files stuffed onto s3

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt realize they had a backup service to go along with that as well

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justinh:

it's not easy enough to use for mere mortals though

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wagnerrp:

i just keep stuff backed up locally, with the occasional dump of important stuff to a server at work/campus

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justinh:

infact it's barely even easy enough to use for me. it's a PITA

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wagnerrp:

how can you have a 'supported third-party plugin'

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wagnerrp:

isnt third-party by definition unsupported?

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: It could mean that things that might break said plugin won't be changed without notice to the authors of the plugin

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hashbang:

wagnerrp: or merely that having it installed won't invalidate bug reports

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justinh:

using unsupported plugins makes the whole install invalid, I'd think

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justinh:

yeah there are a few of those joggler thingies on ebay already

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justinh:

price may go down – I'll keep my eyes open

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justinh:

course in the meantime something better might just come along :)

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highzeth:

justinh: so you brother in-law is into hentai? (ref ransom/new virus/trojan)

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justinh:

no idea

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justinh:

wouldn't put it past him though

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highzeth:

I feel behind the times, I actually had to google the word hentai. http://gizmodo.com/5518300/new-virus-holds-yo . . . s-for-ransom

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justinh:

grr stupid Eagle

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clever:

already read it on a bbc news site

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mag0o:

woohoo, revo and cables due to be delivered today, and wifey is going out of town for the weekend :)

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AndyCap:

highzeth: some things can't be unseen. P

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tassbur:

hi to all

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tassbur:

well, yesterday i got to connect the backend to frontend

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tassbur:

the problem is that i ihave and hvr 4000 (that i cannot got to scan any channels) which hasn't got any channels

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tassbur:

when i deleted this card and only let my td-500, with channels, problem solved

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tassbur:

that's because i not put the log

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tassbur:

also i have another issues,

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tassbur:

hvr-4000 is always busy

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tassbur:

i don't know how to check if lna_activation is ok in the td-500

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tassbur:

j #ubuntu-mythtv

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highzeth:

hmpf, did you get that mag0o, or was it just after the disconnect. =)

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johnnyj:

greetings

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tassbur:

hi

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johnnyj:

my upgrade to .23-fixes went swimmingly and the SOAF is soaring

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johnnyj:

now if i can just keep my serenity when TWC arrives

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iamlindoro:

johnnyj: nice, glad to hear it

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johnnyj:

so i'm renewing my efforts to bend Eclipse to my will

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johnnyj:

i've got the .23-fixes checked out in eclipse as a c++ project

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johnnyj:

and the only file having issues is themestringtool/main.cpp

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johnnyj:

it's claiming QString does not name a type

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johnnyj:

this is not an issue in other places using QString

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johnnyj:

i suspect the .pro file for this themestringtool is somehow overriding the application wide includes I've already added

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JEDIDIAH__:

anyone here familiar with the scheduler?

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johnnyj:

twc has arrived

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jpabq:

JEDIDIAH__, gigem rarely visits IRC

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wagnerrp:

cleanup needed on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

ugh, bastards

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iamlindoro:

what a mess

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iamlindoro:

anyway wagnerrp, thanks

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wagnerrp:

dont forget tillie and colleen

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iamlindoro:

I have no idea what they did there

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't present an obvious way to delete those, I'll figure it out

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wagnerrp:

they were logged in as one user, and just went back to the user creation page

[16:36:44]

wagnerrp:

anyway, thanks for the cleanup

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iamlindoro:

Think I got them now

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

douchebags

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wagnerrp:

so someone somewhere actually recommended allen name all those pages after himself?

[16:44:24]

iamlindoro:

Or he perceived that they did

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iamlindoro:

but who cares, it was still dumb

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iamlindoro:

Feel free to move "AllensNetFlixStreaming" to something more appropriate

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wagnerrp:

meh... to much 'I' and 'me' in that article to attempt to rename it correctly

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iamlindoro:

Dear diary

[17:00:19]

iamlindoro:

today I set up movies on the internet!

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** mag0o laughs at iamlindoro and his diary! **

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wagnerrp:

with your best Nelson laugh?

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mag0o:

ha-ha

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Got a sec?

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kormoc:

Sure, what's up?

[17:38:29]

iamlindoro:

I was wondering if the patch on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7948 looked right to you-- it's relatively minor and I'm happy to apply and backport, just looking for low hanging fruit

[17:39:05]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8195 for an alternate fix

[17:39:16]

iamlindoro:

(though more invasive)

[17:39:34]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: heh, sadly they're both wrong in different ways. I actually have to re-do the entire root figure out code for it to work right in all supported cases :(

[17:39:51]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Ah, ok, no worries, I suspected that it was more complicated than it seemed

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

Can we just close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8055 Closed->patchfromDagmar? ;)

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kormoc:

heh, I'm actually courious as to if it's better or not. It *is* more spec compliant but I never ran into anything that used the full spec

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iamlindoro:

Was only joking about closing it :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro:

Obviously MythWeb is beloved, it gets more ticket attention than anything

[17:43:48]

iamlindoro:

and a large percentage are actually enhancement patches (bad or good)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you could just use the motivation technique of applying one of those patches so it breaks for kormoc's particular setup--then if his is broken, he'll more likely fix it right rather than just revert your commit

[17:44:11]

iamlindoro:

Heh

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** kormoc laughs **

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sphery:

I've been known to do that before :)

[17:44:21]

kormoc:

sphery: sadly I don't *have* a setup right now :(

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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iamlindoro:

So far merely making some tickets pop to the top of people's e-mail has gotten a large handful fixed

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sphery:

oh, hard to break that, then

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Whahappen to the mini + HDPVR?

[17:44:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you should maybe just go through the rest and add a comment, "Bump?"

[17:45:02]

iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: sitting there until I get the directtv receiver to listen to the blaster

[17:45:21]

iamlindoro:

ahh

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kormoc:

it sends the same codes it records, but the receiver just ignores it

[17:45:28]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: The usb control doesn't work for you?

[17:45:50]

kormoc:

I haven't tried, but I don't know quite what I need to get that working

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iamlindoro:

two usb to serial adapters, and a null modem adapter

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kormoc:

chipset doesn't matter?

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sphery:

too bad it's not dish--we've got a great reverse-engineered (not recorded) IR config for it – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I think the DirecTV side is a *little* picky when it comes to what it wants, but the wiki page has a whole list of supported adapters

[17:46:48]

kormoc:

sphery: yeah, my disk setup worked great with the same ir hardware

[17:46:52]

kormoc:

snaz

[17:46:54]

sphery:

only problem with that page is that some idiot didn't know how to make a page whose title has spaces...

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . SB_or_Serial

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kormoc:

I'll poke at that, I didn't realize there was a wiki entry

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sphery:

(yes, it's safe for me to say the guy is an idiot)

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iamlindoro:

pl2303 appears to work

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iamlindoro:

(but not pl2303x)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: or you can always whip out the project board and etchant, someone posted schematics for a dongle a couple days ago

[17:48:28]

kormoc:

nice, I know where to get pl2303s

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wagnerrp:

if the weather schema the only thing changed so far in trunk?

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mag0o:

then

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wagnerrp:

ah, no... mythvideo bumped too

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mag0o:

:)

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wagnerrp:

oh, heh... that was my bump

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sphery:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/286599.html

[17:56:46]

sphery:

How did I know what that page would be called

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** kormoc weeps for humanity **

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sphery:

well, while I'd normally argue for consistency, his audio page used the same naming scheme

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iamlindoro:

Though we fixed that

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iamlindoro:

Now someone needs to man up and change the netflix one

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iamlindoro:

unfortunately every time I say something like that, it ends up being me

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kormoc:

Moved

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iamlindoro:

ha, nice comment

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8285

[18:07:10]

iamlindoro:

Anyone know where "Change end time" is a menu option?

[18:07:16]

iamlindoro:

(can you FRWOP a dev ticket?)

[18:07:26]

kormoc:

Sure can!

[18:07:36]

kormoc:

(Unless it's assigned to them imho)

[18:07:50]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I already got yelled at just for recategorizing a ticket

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iamlindoro:

Don't know why a string change got a ticket, I'm even happy to change it, just can't figure out what he is referring to

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-trunk# grep -ir "change end time" *

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iamlindoro:

mythtv/programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp: VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, QString("Failed to change end time on "

[18:08:53]

iamlindoro:

That's the only result in the whole tree

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JEDIDIAH__:

dtv boxes are picking about timing and emitter placment.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I had to tweak the delay setting for my SD reciever before it would work.

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kormoc:

maybe I just to move the emitter then

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kormoc:

I did just sorta stick it on there without much thought

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JEDIDIAH__:

some of those emitters are incredibly weak.

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kormoc:

MCEUSB emitter, it's pretty strong

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/286600.html

[18:17:33]

iamlindoro:

Truly, our users were dropped as babies

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kormoc:

on their head

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wagnerrp:

so you have to wear that giant tracking necklace to get it to work?

[18:20:06]

kormoc:

at least you never wonder where the remote is

[18:20:13]

Dibblah:

The "tracking necklace" requires the baby.

[18:20:22]

wagnerrp:

does the baby come free?

[18:20:28]

Dibblah:

It's no accident it's a coppertop.

[18:20:44]

wagnerrp:

the baby has brown hair

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Dibblah:

But seriously – The tracking necklace is just a IR LED group.

[18:21:15]

wagnerrp:

i know, i know... we experimented with something like this at work about two years ago

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: You ruined my joke :(

[18:21:28]

Dibblah:

Well, actually, I ruined my joke, but.

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wagnerrp:

although we at least had a headset with a small IR lamp

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wagnerrp:

not a gigantic plate one has to wear

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highzeth:

well, thats the last time I test xbmc as a livetv fe, boy did it cause many oddities.

[19:18:04]

wagnerrp:

highzeth: the problem is that no one actually knows what version of mythtv they are tracking

[19:18:11]

highzeth:

worst one was that the livetv session took over a ongoing recording when there was several tuners avail.

[19:18:24]

highzeth:

yeah, I saw the protocol guessing in the log :/

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wagnerrp:

it does 'bad things'

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iamlindoro:

I mean it's not like myth could have changed THAT much in 49 protocol revisions, amirite?

[19:19:43]

highzeth:

no doubt, I have only used it for pure playback on random occasions, livetv tho, not anymore

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highzeth:

iamlindoro: nahh.. just a bit here and there ;)

[19:22:02]

wagnerrp:

49? weve had another proto bump?

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justinh:

be nice to have other clients squeezed out of the loop. Just so I can do my evil laugh

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highzeth:

that said, when that annoyance was gone the new tuners did behave and do as they were told. been stress-testing on & off the last couple days. /me happy now

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wagnerrp:

i would be happy just to see some sort of crypto key required on connection

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wagnerrp:

so at the very least, they would have to update their program rather than just letting it guess

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wagnerrp:

might give them the incentive to actually implement the changes in the new protocol rev

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highzeth:

Do it, the above behaviour is not good for either parties imho

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wagnerrp:

the xbmc/mythtvplayer/mythtvfs people seem to think its good for them

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highzeth:

what is? that their implementation is semi fubar at best?

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justinh:

or.. shock horror.. contribute patches upstream to actually have mythbackend report its protocol version without having to incorrectly poll it first

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justinh:

or just naff off & use tvheadend & leave mythtv alone :)

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dustybin:

is it possible to have a xmbc frontend and a mythtv backend?

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dustybin:

(working together)

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iamlindoro:

Not if you want to receive any amount of support

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dustybin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro:

The only options for using XBMC as a frontend are messy hacks which may well destroy any part of your data, and as such, no part of such systems is supported

[19:44:38]

dustybin:

eeeek

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dustybin:

the latest issue of linux journal reviews mytthv and xmbc

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dustybin:

and they recommend using a xmbc frontend and a mythtv backend as the best solution?!

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justinh:

LJ can go to heck then

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justinh:

linux mags generally talk out of their holes anyway

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justinh:

there was one 'review' of mythtv a while back where they didn't even bother making their own screenshots

[19:46:51]

wagnerrp:

hence the previous discussion about it being broken, and wanting to implement some sort of auth key such that they couldnt just guess the proto

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dustybin:

jeeeze

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wagnerrp:

i think ill whip up that patch when i get home

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wagnerrp:

see if i can get chris/daniel/whoever to sign off on it

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justinh:

dustybin: jeeze what? they're doing bad stuff there's no need of doing

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dustybin:

i mean, jeeze, why did i bother reading it

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dustybin:

you silly sausage!

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justinh:

no, the BEST solution as a mythtv frontend is mythfrontend

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justinh:

funny, that

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dustybin:

yar

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dustybin:

they dont make sense

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justinh:

the best solution to view your mythtv recordings as a freaking long list is XBMC

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dustybin:

i thought LJ was meant to be one of the 'better' linux mags

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dustybin:

i get it sent to me from america

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justinh:

an old regular here wrote the only decent article I've ever seen about mythtv

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iamlindoro:

We need a Ministry of Information :)

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dustybin:

i want to try a vanilla linux distro for my future server, i want to see how applications install / behave without a distro putting its own stuff into it

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justinh:

cos diskspace is expensive, right

[19:53:28]

dustybin:

justinh: nothing to do with diskspace, i just want to experience everything as vanilla as possible, so im going to use slackware

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justinh:

distros have smart packagers to handle dependencies for you. generally you have to do that yourself with slack AFAIK

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dustybin:

yep thats correct, i want to do that myself so i learn more

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dustybin:

i might turn into a dagmar :D

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iamlindoro:

Go for it

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iamlindoro:

we have action plans for that kind of thing

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justinh:

ugh. Sky player is coming to Humax Freeview HD boxes? and they were whining loudly about project kangaroo & suchlike... grrr

[20:02:40]

oobe:

dustybin, have you tried LFS

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dustybin:

oobe: yes i did that once, that is a bit too raw for me, good for learning though

[20:04:12]

oobe:

yes that is the only point

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oobe:

i did it a long time ago on a p3

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dustybin:

i know somebody who created a distro from LFS

[20:04:36]

oobe:

i didnt actually use it once i built it

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dustybin:

http://bluesquarelinux.co.uk/

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oobe:

awesome

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dustybin:

topic!!!!

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dustybin:

before iamlindoro kills me..

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: that would exist... to spread lies?

[20:20:15]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not at all! We exist merely to spread the truth of the glorious leader! His truth will wash over the land and the non believers will be drowned in oceans of tears!

[20:20:27]

wagnerrp:

mythdvd is being rewritten and merged with mythbeer for 0.24

[20:20:43]

wagnerrp:

it will use your optical drive tray and motors to fashion a microbrewery out of spare DVDRs

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** iamlindoro hears the terminator percussion in his head **

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wagnerrp:

no, thats just your governer driving by, hes honking at someone

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wagnerrp:

i dont know whats more annoying

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iamlindoro:

Whatever the second one is!

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wagnerrp:

the gentoo users who try... poorly, screw something up, and need help

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wagnerrp:

or the non-gentoo users who dont even try, and post new threads on the mailing list for someone to hand-hold them through mythtv

[20:25:07]

wagnerrp:

'how do i install mythtv on debian???'

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j-rod:

all of the above

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j-rod:

read the fracking docs

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** j-rod caught himself, used the network television approved language there **

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wagnerrp:

j-rod: youre doing it wrong, youre supposed to learn arcane languages to swear in

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j-rod:

japanese is too hard to type

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j-rod:

at least, if you're going to do it right

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highzeth:

do it in norwegian, Im sure AndyCap wont mind, I dont either

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j-rod:

dammit ir_register_class, quit oopsing.

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iamlindoro:

oops I crapped my pants

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: but are you wearing them?

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iamlindoro:

heh

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j-rod:

seriously? we're oopsing on access to ir_dev->props->driver_type?...

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j-rod:

wtf...

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j-rod:

oh. hm. let's try that...

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j-rod:

hacking the crap out of the imon driver *again*

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j-rod:

porting to Yet Another Subsystem

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jams:

imon needs to go away. I swear i don't know how they became so popular

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j-rod:

oh snap. no more oops. now to see if it actually *works*

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j-rod:

jams: because they have shiny displays?

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jams:

i guess

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jams:

their products were unique at the time..but man talk about low quality

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j-rod:

holy crap, it works

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jams:

as you said shiny with no thought as to how it works for the user

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j-rod:

and holy haphazard decoder

[20:39:14]

j-rod:

same key decodes differently on different devices

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j-rod:

one set of keys use a sane scancode | 0x4000 to signal 'key was released'

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j-rod:

one set of keys just sends 0x0200000000 to say 'that prior key? it was released'

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j-rod:

one set of keys doesn't send *any* release notification, requiring a keyup timer

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j-rod:

you get all 3 variations on a single device too.

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j-rod:

good job, guys

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kormoc:

It's just another form of 'It compiles? SHIP IT!'

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jams:

pretty much

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j-rod:

dammit. who broke v4l-utils git?...

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esperegu:

anyone knows an dual tuner analog tv capture card for usb that works in the netherlands?

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen a usb-attached dual tuner

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wagnerrp:

for anywhere

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** justinh has a usb dual dvb-t tuner. no analogue though **

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stuartm:

again, tell me what the point of 3D is? http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a2 . . . warning.html

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: to make everyone have to go back out and buy new TVs

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around the time the sales of 3D tvs have lulled

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wagnerrp:

theyre going to replace bluray with triple-ultra-achdee

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stuartm:

aye :)

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justinh:

replace '3d' with 'hd' for me :)

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justinh:

</meldrew>

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justinh:

whoah. watching 'you have been watching' & they're dissecting that Spartacus show.. heheh

[21:20:45]

justinh:

how much uneccessary gore? how much bad acting? glad I can't get Bravo

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kormoc:

Spartacus blood and sand? it's showtime, no?

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justinh:

showtime over there. bravo over here

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

Bravo over here is cooking and queer eye and similar shows

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

I could see how spartacus would be popular with that demographic

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stuartm:

from what I've heard, Spartacus == one giant excuse to get Xena naked

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iamlindoro:

And others

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iamlindoro:

Though it is a *good* show

[21:25:24]

iamlindoro:

I like it a lot

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wagnerrp:

those were lawless times back then....

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justinh:

looks awful from the clips I've seen tonight

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iamlindoro:

First couple of episodes have a weird "300" vibe, starting about episode 4 it gets really good

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I'm trying to decide if that deserves a trout or a salmon

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justinh:

half naked men slaughtering each other.. mmmm

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highzeth:

blood, gore, nudity, em so whats the problem again?

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kormoc:

highzeth: he's british

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justinh:

highzeth: the awful acting

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wagnerrp:

stuarta: im not a big fan of fish...

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highzeth:

ahh yes, nudity ;P

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iamlindoro:

Also some super hot unknown naked chicks

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kormoc:

Prim and proper, chip chip cherio

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** justinh signs up for Bravo immediately **

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iamlindoro:

It really is worth a chance

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highzeth:

hehe

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: I'm sure it's not that bad, I've not seen it so I can't really comment

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iamlindoro:

First episode have a very strange stylized gore/violence thing, but they dispense with it after a couple episodes

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iamlindoro:

er has

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justinh:

and I've only seen specially selected clips designed to deliver a point

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iamlindoro:

And it becomes much more about the intrigue/relationships... and hot naked chicks

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justinh:

sigh. even if I had Bravo I couldn't record it anyway

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justinh:

stupid crappy pay tv

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stuartm:

seems like a cash-in on Rome, which also delivered blood, gore and nudity

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iamlindoro:

Lead actor has cancer, though, so the second season is postponed for now

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stuartm:

well, and the obvious connection, the Romans

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justinh:

stuartm: no way Rome was this gory. this has people getting limbs lopped off in pretty good detail

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: Blood, nudity, and gore in Spartacus is ratcheted up multiple notches from Rome... and it's a "smaller" story so far

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iamlindoro:

ie Rome was an epic, this is more.. personal, I guess

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justinh:

heh

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stuartm:

except that Spartacus wouldn't be Rome ... my history/classics teachers would be horrified

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iamlindoro:

A vast majority of the season takes place in a single building

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: Well, he's not in Rome

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stuartm:

hang on ... now I'm confusing myself

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kormoc:

a combination Bothel and Arena?

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iamlindoro:

But spartacus *did* lead the slave uprising against the romans

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kormoc:

*Brothel

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: aye

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Ludus (Gladiator training school) and arena mostly, yeah

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stuartm:

for a moment I was thinking of the Spartans

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: wasnt that one of those spoof movies?

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iamlindoro:

The season (bearing in mind that I still have tonight's episode) basically tracks the story of his becoming a slave through to the genesis of the slave revolt

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iamlindoro:

so it basically covers his time as a gladiator

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iamlindoro:

The indications seem to be that the second season would be at least some part of the revolt

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: Meet the Spartans was the goofy one

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: Sparta was a kingdom in what would become ancient Greece, and the Spartans are the folks on which 300 was _very_ loosely based – I'm not familiar with Meet the Spartans

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justinh:

interesting anyway.. but not so much as the show where they do simulated battles between fictional foes. e.g. IRA vs Taleban

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AndyCap:

alien vs predator? :P

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kormoc:

now that's a horrible show

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kormoc:

justinh: you guys get Manswers over there?

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justinh:

not as far as I know

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kormoc:

now that is pure American trash tv

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stuartm:

for the record, I'm not sure there is any connection between Sparta and Spartacus, I'm just very tired ;)

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kormoc:

"How many inches do boobs bounce when a lady runs a mile?"

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justinh:

kormoc: oh, essential stuff then

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kormoc:

"Which hair color puts out the most?"

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kormoc:

etc

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justinh:

FHM TV

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kormoc:

it's hilarious and massively over the top

[21:37:19]

iamlindoro:

I hope it's redheads

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: by a large margin

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AndyCap:

confirmation bias!

[21:37:39]

iamlindoro:

Yesssssss

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: 1.4 lays per week for blonds, 1.5 for brunettes and ravin, 2.2 for redheads

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** kormoc watched that episode last night **

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highzeth:

hirrhirrhirr

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justinh:

sounds like they're all slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags

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kormoc:

justinh: we're a morally lose country

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kormoc:

no matter what we pretend to be

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justinh:

so guys, don't date redheads.. they're least chaste ;)

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justinh:

needs better data though. they didn't happen to say whether hair colour was natural did they? ;-)

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kormoc:

justinh: ooh, the stats on what hair color vs likely hood for certain acts was amusing as well, and again, redheads for the win

[21:40:30]

kormoc:

justinh: nah, that'd be like... real science

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justinh:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Amazing

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AndyCap:

kormoc: well, it doesn't have to be biological causes. :P

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kormoc:

Also found out that women with implants are 3x as likely to be crazy (and taking psych drugs)

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justinh:

this is all very interesting. all we tend to hear about US TV over here is that it's awfully violent, or religious

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: that sounds like 'bad' crazy

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justinh:

apart from the occasional gem of imports we get of course

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it is bad, aye

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I can't think of a lot of religious programming at all, but I don't go out of my way looking for it

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Dumb programming like "touched by an angel" aside

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highzeth:

with women Ive found there rarely is such a thing as good crazy

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justinh:

or then there's just awful.. like 'Friends'

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats because you havent invested in FTA satellite

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kormoc:

highzeth: woman crazy is great in small doses, it's just never good for the long haul

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iamlindoro:

heh, I have set it up for documentation purposes, though

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AndyCap:

the religious programs are popular enough to have their own channels. :P

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iamlindoro:

I actually need to pull the dish inside, it's an eyesore on my patio

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wagnerrp:

actually, i pick up a pair of channels out of southern indiana, with multiple subchannels each, that are all religious

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highzeth:

kormoc: ohh I dunno, even in small doses it can be too much, depends on the type-o-crazy

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro:

OK, I guess there's a slightly larger amount on local channels

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justinh:

bunny boilers are fun for almost 2 hours

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: so you'll have an eyesore in your living room?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Garage!

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kormoc:

ahh!

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iamlindoro:

It's almost barbeque season, need lounging space

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kormoc:

I hate code that relies on eval...

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kormoc:

especially when it's perl

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meshe:

eval is perl's try

[21:45:53]

kormoc:

sure, but this is self-writing code

[21:45:53]

meshe:

one way of using eval is anyway

[21:46:09]

meshe:

heh

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kormoc:

it's pretty nasty

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meshe:

i've used eval in that way to dynamically load modules based on what the task requires

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kormoc:

this isn't that sorta code :P

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kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/1863947

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meshe:

wtf

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AndyCap:

only perl can parse perl as they say.

[21:50:23]

meshe:

AndyCap: it's true

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kormoc:

Sadly, I need to extend that

[21:50:41]

meshe:

it's pretty much impossible to write perl that can parse perl

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kormoc:

haha, nice

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kormoc:

creating dynamic subs!

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meshe:

that's common

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meshe:

well, probably not what you're seeing :)

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kormoc:

that's absurd

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meshe:

by the looks of this

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kormoc:

yeah, this is rough

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kormoc:

welcome to Maatkit!

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meshe:

is it maatkit?

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iamlindoro:

He's one of those furry bear men from Endor, right?

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kormoc:

meshe: aye, mk-query-digest

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: sadly, the MySQL Administrator's Toolkit :)

[21:54:55]

iamlindoro:

Open source projects suck and naming open source projects

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stuartm:

stored next to his lunchbox

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iamlindoro:

er suck at

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meshe:

Developers Wanted

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meshe:

Maatkit's issue list is packed with feature requests, requests for new tools, and a bug report or two. There's enough work to keep the current developers busy for years. This is an ideal project for anyone looking to get involved with open source!

[21:55:42]

meshe:

lol

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johnnyj:

so mythnetvision is still in progress?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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johnnyj:

nobody wants to hear about these: (<unknown>:1541): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_origin: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

[21:56:33]

iamlindoro:

Not a MNV error

[21:56:46]

iamlindoro:

Once you are in the browser, it's all MythBrowser/Flash/Qt Webkit

[21:57:31]

iamlindoro:

MNV is just a means of categorizing, parsing, and presenting the metadata about the web content-- the content itself is all displayed by Mythbrowser

[21:57:38]

iamlindoro:

(which is in turn Webkit)

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iamlindoro:

That particular issue appears to be part of Qt's NSPlugin support (ie, the loading the the flash plugin)

[22:01:43]

iamlindoro:

Arora (a browser built on Qt's Webkit) has the same issue: http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=541

[22:01:52]

johnnyj:

i couldnt seem to find any settings for this plugin to check

[22:02:08]

iamlindoro:

because settings are stupid

[22:02:09]

iamlindoro:

:)

[22:02:28]

johnnyj:

i have re-installed the flash plugin using the flash-plugin-installer depackage from ubuntu aptitu

[22:02:48]

iamlindoro:

Are you having an actual issue, or just concerned about console output?

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johnnyj:

oh – sorry – the actual isue is that some videos wont play in the plugin

[22:04:18]

iamlindoro:

K, if you get as far as the browser coming up, then in all liklihood there is nothing we can do about it (blame adobe)

[22:04:23]

iamlindoro:

Which grabber?

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johnnyj:

from what i can tell none of the hulu stuff in the DailyMotion grabber

[22:04:46]

johnnyj:

mtv music videos work pretty well

[22:04:55]

iamlindoro:

That has to do with the hulu player

[22:05:12]

iamlindoro:

don't try to play the hulu stuff right now, we'll have a Hulu grabber out eventually and you can use that

[22:05:22]

johnnyj:

ok

[22:05:39]

iamlindoro:

Dailymotion doesn't make it easy to filter out the Hulu stuff, so it shows up

[22:05:40]

johnnyj:

it's a sweet plugin

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iamlindoro:

It's got a long way to go, but it has some promise and thanks for the compliment

[22:06:20]

johnnyj:

oh – last quesiton – for now...

[22:06:29]

johnnyj:

volume control inside that plugin?

[22:06:35]

johnnyj:

not avail yet?

[22:06:50]

iamlindoro:

Neither available nor really anticipated

[22:07:17]

iamlindoro:

The volume controls on flash apps are sort of out of our ability to (easily) control

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johnnyj:

are they bypassing alsa somehow?

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iamlindoro:

No

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kormoc:

some modify volume before passing to alsa, some use alsa

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** iamlindoro needs to run home **

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johnnyj:

k -

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johnnyj:

i'll prolly just add my amplifier's volumre control to my remote in lirc

[22:09:02]

johnnyj:

as a backup

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iamlindoro:

In a perfect world we will adopt a similar control scheme as Boxee down the road-- a javascript control file that bridges the in-app controls and the Flash player controls

[22:09:30]

iamlindoro:

But to be honest that's well outside of my current skillset so I'd have to learn a lot more about the web technologies

[22:09:34]

justinh:

in a perfect world we'd not have to play junk in browsers

[22:10:05]

johnnyj:

it's the challenges that make this rewarding

[22:10:16]

johnnyj:

( ugh – made myself sick – sorry )

[22:10:40]

johnnyj:

alright – it's back to xdg-screensaver land for me

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kormoc:

meshe: around?

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meshe:

yeah

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meshe:

er no, need to step out for 10

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dugger5688:

Can anyone help me with selecting a good TV tuner card? It needs to have s-video in (ideally) -or- ATSC + NTSC in.

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kormoc:

meshe: no worries, was just wondering how to add an array to a class ($store->{sum} is a int, is it @store->{blah} ?)

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meshe:

@{ $store->{blah} } = $arrayref

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kormoc:

that explains why it's bombing, thanks much

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meshe:

$arrayref = \@array

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seventoes:

I have a IR light thing from an old WebTV Box, would I be able to turn it into an IR blaster? It has a headphone-like connection

[22:38:10]

seventoes:

i only need it for one thing, to turn off my tv so i don't have to use my old remote anymore

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trumee:

guys, is it possible to stream live tv with transcoding?

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trumee:

something like route the live stream thru vlc.

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meshe:

live tv is bad

[22:43:12]

trumee:

i want to watch livetv on a Nokia N900.

[22:43:35]

trumee:

I can already watch mythtv recordings which is great.

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meshe:

livetv is a recording

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trumee:

it must be possible to transcode the recorded stream via vlc. How do i find out the name of the stream which is being recorded?

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johnnyj:

spheary: you round yet ?

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meshe:

kormoc: that code was wrong

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kormoc:

meshe: ooh?

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johnnyj:

screensaver-xdg seems to be working fine

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meshe:

@{ $state->{blah} } = @array; or $state->{blah} = \@arrayref;

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meshe:

either way $state->{blah} ends up being an arrayref

[22:56:00]

meshe:

sorry about that

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kormoc:

no worries :)

[22:56:22]

meshe:

got my head burried in java code :S

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kormoc:

Heh, I'm installing Carp right not to try to get a backtrace, as this is kicking my buttocks

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meshe:

is it a webapp?

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kormoc:

nopers

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meshe:

try the debugger

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meshe:

perl -d scriptname.pl

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meshe:

r

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meshe:

that should get you a backtrace

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kormoc:

ooh, ctrl+c breaks?

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meshe:

if it's dying it'll backtrace at the part where it dies

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meshe:

b <n> for break

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meshe:

r

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meshe:

r run to next break

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kormoc:

that's the sad part, it's not dying, just not doing anythiing

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meshe:

s step into next statement

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meshe:

x $var = dump $var

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meshe:

n next statement

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meshe:

try it out

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meshe:

those are all the commands i ever use

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kormoc:

sweet

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kormoc:

thanks much

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meshe:

actually x is execute expression, but it dumps vars and datastructures too

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kormoc:

haha

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meshe:

i scared iamlindoro away with that ;)

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kormoc:

this is annyoing, __ANON__::__ANON__ called __ANON__::__ANON__

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meshe:

subrefs?

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kormoc:

evidently

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meshe:

anonymous classes too

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meshe:

^ how to write unmantainable perl

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kormoc:

yeah, it's all anonymous and nested :(

[23:02:44]

kormoc:

evals that eval more evals suck

[23:02:55]

meshe:

hehe

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meshe:

at least you get line numbers in the debugger

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kormoc:

yeah, I can at least trace it which is much nicer then failing about with die() :)

[23:04:38]

meshe:

die is the first debugger a perl programmer uses

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meshe:

then they graduate to Data::Dumper and warn

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kormoc:

I'm so used to full debuggers that die really annoys me

[23:06:07]

meshe:

yeah, it's no way to debug, it's just the most obvious in perl

[23:06:24]

jams:

once had a machine where when "die" was used it actually caused the server kernel to crash

[23:07:16]

meshe:

in early versions of mod_perl, if you called die() it would kill the apache child

[23:07:39]

jams:

it was with mod_perl..but took the whole server with it

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kormoc:

jams: so you aliased it to pretendToDie() and all was well?

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Cap_J_L_Picard:

meshe: no, unmaintanable perl is more like this: $_ = <<EOF; s#[-+]\d+#pack('C',$c+=$&)#eg; print;

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Cap_J_L_Picard:

+74+43–2+1–84+65+13+1+5-12–3+13–82+48+21+13-6–76+7 2–7+2+8–6+13–70

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Cap_J_L_Picard:

EOF

[23:08:11]

jams:

actually kormoc we fired that programmer about 2 weeks later

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kormoc:

ha

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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meshe:

lol

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meshe:

i need a java ide to figure this code out

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jams:

it was unrelated..but still a fact

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** kormoc blinks at (map { '' } 0..9); # just for good measure **

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meshe:

wtf?

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meshe:

really?

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kormoc:

that is the line starting the __ANON__::__ANON__ chain too

[23:09:45]

kormoc:

aye, for real

[23:09:50]

meshe:

wow

[23:10:01]

meshe:

way to waste cycles

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wagnerrp:

have to give people some excuse to stop using decade old hardware...

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meshe:

kormoc: is that setting up an array?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: the fact that it eats up ~2 gigs of ram and ~4 gigs of swap isn't enough?

[23:11:29]

meshe:

wagnerrp: microsoft does a good enough job at that

[23:11:35]

kormoc:

meshe: nope, that's the full line from what I see

[23:11:54]

meshe:

; on the line before?

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Cap_J_L_Picard:

I'd like to see that script...

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kormoc:

yup

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meshe:

weird

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt realize this was unrelated to mythtv

[23:12:48]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah, totally breaching channel rules :)

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wagnerrp:

i was referring to people who get pissed off when we try to drop PVR350 and XvMC support for their VIA machines

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johnnyj:

gotta run

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kormoc:

ahh

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johnnyj:

seeya guys

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meshe:

lol

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meshe:

my pvr-350 still runs great in 0.23 thanks :)

[23:14:02]

wagnerrp:

recording or playback?

[23:14:11]

meshe:

recording :P

[23:14:16]

wagnerrp:

oh, youre good then

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meshe:

actually myth doesn't need support for it, x has a driver for it

[23:15:00]

wagnerrp:

you keep saying things like that, someone is going to show up with lighter fluid and a torch

[23:15:22]

meshe:

i can honestly say i no longer use the video out of a 350 anymore

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wagnerrp:

Xv is fine currently... it just doesnt mesh well with mark's OSD rewrite

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meshe:

was there any work done on export to mythvideo?

[23:17:35]

wagnerrp:

export to mythvideo?

[23:17:42]

meshe:

export a recording

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meshe:

it was chatted about back in 0.22 days

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wagnerrp:

something like http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py ?

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meshe:

er 0.21

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kormoc:

meshe: Maddog aka Captain_Murdoch has patches for that afaik

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro had patches up for it about a year back, but it blocked the UI during the transfer

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wagnerrp:

the above link is a userjob for the same task

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meshe:

cool

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meshe:

you can flip on a userjob on a recording at any time

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wagnerrp:

the eventual plan is to partially merge all video content into some combined database tables

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wagnerrp:

Capt'M had a schema drawn up, and some code produced prior to 0.22, but stalled

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wagnerrp:

thats supposed to pick back up here prior to 0.24

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iamlindoro:

Yaaaaaay my MBE she live again

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wagnerrp:

that why youve had more than one name up the last couple days?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: That's good! ;-) Mine's alive, but 3 tuners down 'cause my *bleep* wife didn't pay the Dish bill... ugh...

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iamlindoro:

past 24 hours or so

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, no MBe means no IRC proxy

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meshe:

what happened to it?

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wagnerrp:

upgrade? hardware failure?

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kormoc:

some ladies escaped from the basement and the MBE took the damage?

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iamlindoro:

PSU fried

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iamlindoro:

At 3 years operation I'd rate that as "average" but by no means exemplary

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wagnerrp:

what brand?

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sphery:

it will teach you not to buy 80 PLUS!

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meshe:

lol sphery

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Same thing happened to me... But I had another exact model in a 'test' machine, so I was back up quickly. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: so 20+ isn't very good?

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sphery:

I know /this/ time he got an 80+

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehehehe

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iamlindoro:

It was actually a "rocketfish"

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iamlindoro:

who knows how I ended up with that

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iamlindoro:

but anyway, yeah, now a nice Antec 80+

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wagnerrp:

never heard of em

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wagnerrp:

bestbuy internal brand?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, looks like

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J-e-f-f-A:

My myth case is a 'rocketfish'... monsterous beast...

[23:28:33]

iamlindoro:

I'm not sure how I ended up with it

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iamlindoro:

obviously I bought it at BB which is in and of itself unusual

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iamlindoro:

I did use it as an opportunity to rewire the close though

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meshe:

emergency late night psu replacement by the sounds of it

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iamlindoro:

it's cleaner than it's ever been

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iamlindoro:

yeah, last one may have been too

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iamlindoro:

still, it was at least 3 years ago, so not too bad all things considered

[23:30:08]

wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever lost an antec

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meshe:

we run corsairs now

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wagnerrp:

my parents are still running the same 350W that i bought for them when i built them a brand new P4 1.8

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kormoc:

I'm worried

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kormoc:

Apple is talking bout using AMD processors

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kormoc:

I donno what I'll do!

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/closet.jpg

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sphery:

enjoy cool 'n' quiet computing?

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iamlindoro:

Probably as clean as that will ever get

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dugger5688:

^That'd be nice, the things would stop melting people pants.

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wagnerrp:

dugger5688: AMD doesnt make batteries

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dugger5688:

Is that what heats up?

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kormoc:

ouch! My brand loyalty!

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wagnerrp:

dugger5688: thats what catches fire

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dugger5688:

Na, I meant the CPUs that get really f'ing hot.

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wagnerrp:

if your pants melt from the CPU, stop wearing vinyl

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meshe:

cool n quiet sounds like something marketing made up

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sphery:

sad thing is Apple will likely charge the same for the system--even though they'll pay $100's less for it

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: those consoles dont get to hot there on that short shelf?

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dugger5688:

But it's so stylish! In all seriousness, I wish apple would make laptops that can function w/o a whirring fan all the time.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I haven't had issues (that I've noticed anyway)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but the sticker on the wrapper said that the vinyl suit won't wrinkle

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kormoc:

dugger5688: Mine certainly doesn't whirr all the time

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wagnerrp:

i guess it just has to crank up the fan speed

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wagnerrp:

and considering its in a closet that you wont hear anyway... not a problem

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dugger5688:

You have one of the aluminums?

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kormoc:

dugger5688: Aye, MacBook Pro 13.3" late 2009

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wagnerrp:

apple makes aluminum computers?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: aluminum shelled

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wagnerrp:

i thought they used magnesium

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I usually honestly leave the door slightly ajar when I am alone, I close it when guests are over

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sphery:

go for the bamboo ones... they're the new green

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dugger5688:

There you go, plastic black one. Damn thing starts whirring if you type too fast, thinking I'll take it in and bitch before the service plan runs out.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: they did until the batteries started to ignite the cases

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah... makes a nice strong light alloy until it turns into an inextinguishable flare

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dugger5688:

Magnesium burning is epic.

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wagnerrp:

and burns the retinas

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kormoc:

the goggles do nothing

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kormoc:

meshe: is there any reason why x wouldn't dump anything other then scope?

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meshe:

it's probably a blank object

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meshe:

try: x ref $var

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kormoc:

0 'HASH'

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meshe:

x $var?

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kormoc:

0 undef

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kormoc:

but it's passing conditions right above that would seem to indicate that it is set

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meshe:

what's the condition?

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kormoc:

next unless scalar %$vals;

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dugger5688:

What are you trying to do in perl?

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meshe:

x %$vals

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meshe:

x scalar %$vals

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kormoc:

dugger5688: I'm attempting to modify mk-query-digest to store all the timestamps of the slow queries and dump them out

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kormoc:

meshe: Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 45)

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meshe:

you may need to restart the debugger, keep track of what line you're on and set a breakpoint

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meshe:

something is wierd

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dugger5688:

Ugh, no experience with that.

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kormoc:

kk, I'll give that a go

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** kormoc ponders updating perl **

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meshe:

did Baron write that?

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kormoc:

Yeah, same issue

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kormoc:

meshe: aye

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meshe:

he's too smart to write perl

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

I just know there's some weird detail that I just don't know that's making this so hard

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meshe:

i've seen it before, a perl programmer that is way too intelligent for the language and writes the most efficient code, but it takes a maintainer days to understand it

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meshe:

and Baron is smart

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kormoc:

meshe: ooh? you making it to LFNW this year? There's a bunch of drizzle talks you might enjoy

[23:51:49]

meshe:

oh, when is it?

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kormoc:

next weekend

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meshe:

ummmm, maybe?

[23:52:28]

meshe:

i actually have a car this year, so it would be easier

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meshe:

you doing a myth booth?

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kormoc:

Nah, FSF booth again

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kormoc:

Hopefully with more help this year so I can make a few talks

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meshe:

Aker but no Monty this year eh?

[23:55:38]

kormoc:

Yeah

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kormoc:

the MySQL conference was a bit too far apart for him to justify it

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