Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, April 6th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

gotta train em early... oh wait!

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highzeth:

Id take Dora over Peppa Pig any day

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selim:

hi i have ati tv wonder 600 and trying to get it to run on mythtv

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selim:

its USB

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selim:

and i followed ALL instructions online everywhere

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selim:

for some reason i just dont think the v4l-dvb will install

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kormoc:

selim: might want to try #linuxtv

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selim:

thanks

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Beirdo:

stupid gcc-avr

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Beirdo:

or rather maybe avr-libc

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Beirdo:

it insists on having interrupt handlers called "INT0_vect" and building the vector table for me.

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Beirdo:

die!

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Beirdo:

warning: 'INT0_firmware' appears to be a misspelled signal handler

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Beirdo:

bah

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iamlindoro:

$1,000 says selim comes back here

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iamlindoro:

since he's already impatient in #linuxtv

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: does it count if he tries to come back but is prevented by a technical means? ;)

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iamlindoro:

sure

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** kormoc eyes the +b **

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** iamlindoro thinks instead of staring at the internet tonight he'll clean the kitchen instead **

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Beirdo:

what?!

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Beirdo:

the horror!

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iamlindoro:

you're right, too many instances of "instead"

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kormoc:

I just put together three pieces of furniture

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** iamlindoro thinks instead of staring at the internet tonight he'll clean the kitche **

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iamlindoro:

n

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iamlindoro:

much better

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kormoc:

and now I get to put things on them!

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Beirdo:

kormoc: cooool ;)

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Beirdo:

Ikea FTW?

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kormoc:

nah

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kormoc:

Amazon and Office depot

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Beirdo:

Amazon?

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Beirdo:

as in online?

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kormoc:

yup

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iamlindoro:

It's like an Ikea without going out in the sun!

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Beirdo:

I never woulda thought of searching Amazon for furniture

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it's like Ikea without the meatballs?

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kormoc:

Amazon Prime makes it so worth it

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kormoc:

Free 2-day shipping

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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kormoc:

(and in this case, free same day)

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Beirdo:

I'll keep that in mind

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sphery:

you can get a nice Herman Miller Aeron chair at Amazon

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Yes, but you can get Arglborg at Ikea!

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iamlindoro:

or Tubingen

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iamlindoro:

or Ingegud

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sphery:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=se . . . ;x=0&y=0

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Beirdo:

hehe, they ship em right from their office after the layoffs?

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kormoc:

http://bit.ly/bgAqTj http://bit.ly/agfdQU and http://bit.ly/bnH1u0

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sphery:

lol

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** sphery wonders if a corner TV is bent in the middle **

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Beirdo:

I like the TV stand

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iamlindoro:

Things which are gross after a week forgotten on the desk: An Oreo Shake. EOL

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sphery:

But with that stand, if your TV disappears never to be found again, you know why. At least maybe all those plane and ship passengers will have a nice new TV to watch.

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kormoc:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Dharma brand TV stand?

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kormoc:

Bermuda

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iamlindoro:

Dharma TV Stand would just be called "TV Stand"

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sphery:

and the TV stand is a corner stand, so it's triangular

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kormoc:

Yeah, I have to admit that half sold me :P

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sphery:

heh

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jst_:

Is there any sort of buffering being introduced with 0.23?

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kormoc:

no

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iamlindoro:

nor would any additional buffering be helpful or desired in any way

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jst_:

iamlindoro, tell that to my wireless router.

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jst_:

It's not bad, just glitches occasionally.

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kormoc:

switch to 802.11n 5ghz :P

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Beirdo:

and stop routing

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jst_:

My card can't do it.

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Beirdo:

mythtv is meant to be on a LAN

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jst_:

wireless switch*

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Wicked:

i had been wondering about that...so mythtv does not buffer videos for remote frontends?

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kormoc:

that's right

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Wicked:

i was curious because normal mplayer seemed to stutter on high bitrate HD content...and it seemed to help if i buffered some 1st

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Wicked:

because the hd video was on a remote cifs share

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innatech:

IIRC the frontend buffers for itself.

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Wicked:

hmm.

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innatech:

Pull out the LAN connection while watching something and you'll see it complain about a buffering failure.

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Wicked:

i see. it seems that the same hd video plays fine on a remote frontend...so at least that is good

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kormoc:

We do our own streaming when the files are not local

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kormoc:

and we rely on the link being low latency and fairly fast

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innatech:

I've noticed. Something's wrong w/my HPNA subnet and my remote frontends that are on coax are constantly failing to the main menu.

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wagnerrp:

why are people so averse to standard ethernet?

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wagnerrp:

s/standard/proper/

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innatech:

I'm not averse to it, I can't rut it where I want it to go.

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innatech:

*run

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Beirdo:

hehe

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innatech:

Although lately I've been eyeing my drill in irritation.

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Beirdo:

coax?!

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Beirdo:

you running 10Base-2?!

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innatech:

It's in the wall already. No, HPNA @ ~200mpbs.

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Beirdo:

oh.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

bah, why is gcc-avr putting the wrong debug info into my file?

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Beirdo:

keeps repeating debug info for main.c

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iamlindoro:

Oh well that's lovely, Marc T making libmythui-osd available to gentoo users when probably *nobody* should be using it

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Beirdo:

I don't get it

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Beirdo:

gah

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iamlindoro:

and encouraging them to open tickets when I'm sure that's the LAST thing Mark wants to be supporting

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Beirdo:

GAH

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** Beirdo hands iamlindoro a LART **

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Beirdo:

go fix him ;)

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iamlindoro:

I unsubscribed from the list, so why do I keep reading it?

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iamlindoro:

(it's actually because sphery keeps referencing threads)

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Beirdo:

good question ;)

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iamlindoro:

Someone needs to politely ask him not to do that-- there's exactly one human being working on the branch, the last thing he needs is to be doing support for it too

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sphery:

no one escapes mythtv-users mailing list /that/ easy, iamlindoro

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Oleg_:

are you absolutely sure that mythtv can display subs in blu-ray files?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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Beirdo:

"Thank you for volunteering to support Mark's work. If this was not your intention, please do not do what you did."

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Beirdo:

"you dumb BLEEP"... oh wait, that's just in our heads

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techqbert:

anybody in here know how i could stream the duke / butler game?

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Beirdo:

?

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iamlindoro:

techqbert, ESPN has exclusive rights to the game, so if they're not streaming it live, you can't

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Beirdo:

and how is that possibly on topic?

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Beirdo:

heh

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** iamlindoro corrects himself for posterity, CBS has the rights to the game **

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kormoc:

he's back

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Beirdo:

heh, now I'm to the hard part of my firmware.

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Beirdo:

defining the protocol that goes over the USB.... to work with LIRC for transmit, and for receive

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n00182937:

Hi all, im building a new mythtv box using the HVR-2250. It looks like that remote won't work yet, so I was thinking about buying a usb receiver from irblaster.info and using my phiips pronto. Should I be OK?

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nichos:

or is there a better solution for a remote?

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nichos:

i already own the pronto

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mag0o:

oh, this american picker show is on again

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iamlindoro:

ha, I'm watching it presently

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iamlindoro:

it's on twice every month

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iamlindoro:

er monday

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mag0o:

hehe

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nichos:

hi guys

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mag0o:

hi

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nichos:

what are you guys using for remotes?

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nichos:

from what I can tell teh HVR-2250 remote won't work

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Oleg_:

I wanna start mythtv, but it says "cannot login to database"

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mag0o:

i'm using my dish network remote

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sphery:

the MCE remote is a popular one

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Oleg_:

maybe I should start mythtv as root?

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mzb:

wiimote is excellent ;)

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sphery:

Oleg_: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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sphery:

Oleg_: pay particular attention to the GRANTs and the skip-networking and bind-address parts

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nichos:

mag0o: what are you using for the receiver?

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Oleg_:

it won't start unless I configure mysql settings for it?

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nichos:

that's the part I don't have yet:)

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mag0o:

something i bought online probably 3–4 years ago

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sphery:

Oleg_: right... you must have a working mythconverg database before using MythTV

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nichos:

mag0o: do you have any recomendations?

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mzb:

streamzap USB receiver

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mag0o:

nichos: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Remote_Controls i've always just managed with what I could find around

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** mzb has moved away from IR **

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nichos:

mzb: why?

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mag0o:

i do have a couple of ati remote wonders that are decent, but tempermental

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nichos:

bt keyboard or something?

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mzb:

because pointing is rude? ;)

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mag0o:

the remote wonders are rf

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mzb:

wiimote is bluetooth, and I've got a cheapie "PS3 remote with sliding keyboard" which is RF

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mzb:

wiimote was ~us$25 (2nd hand) and I got a single-charger stand with battery pack for something like us$15

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mzb:

have been using it for 6–12mths and love it ... most convenient remote to use by far (for general use)

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mzb:

also have IR remote(s) and X10 RF remotes as backup (usually for particular functions like skipping music videos, etc)

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Oleg_:

Why do I get this error:

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Oleg_:

mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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Oleg_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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Oleg_:

?

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mzb:

X10 RF remotes are keychain ... quite handy

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sphery:

agreed on the remote wonders being temperamental

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sphery:

Oleg_: use the "Mandriva and Red Hat Linux/Fedora Core" version

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sphery:

even if you're not using either of them

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Oleg_:

still get the same error

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** mzb wonders if time-based default parental levels are appropriate **

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nichos:

ok, so the STREAMZAP should be able to control the capture card – or do the 2 have nothing to do with eachother?

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sphery:

Oleg_: sorry, add in -p

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mzb:

eg >9pm go to level 3

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sphery:

Oleg_: mysql -u root -p < mc.sql

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mzb:

meh, time to go back to work/play

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Oleg_:

now it tells me to enter a password, but after I do it, I still get the same "access denied" error

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sphery:

Oleg_: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server . . . tration.html + http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/user-a . . . agement.html then

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sphery:

or ask for help in your distro's channel/forum/lists/...

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Oleg_:

looks like I am running an older version:

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Oleg_:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.84

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sphery:

5.0.84 is fine

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sphery:

those docs are for 5.0

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mag0o:

haha, he insulted the Pez community

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PinkFreud:

hey folks. is it possible to convince mythlcdserver to use lcd4linux instead of lcdproc?

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Oleg_:

it says this:

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Oleg_:

Your machine must NOT be named localhost

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PinkFreud:

I have an lcd display here which is only supported by lcd4linux, alas. I'd *really* like to convince myth to display data to it.

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iamlindoro:

PinkFreud, No, myth only interfaces with lcdproc

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Oleg_:

I changed my hostname in the /etc/conf.d/hostname file, but when I type "hostname", it says "localhost"

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PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: damn. any hope for that changing? lcdproc appears to be a bit stale.

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PinkFreud:

last release was in 2007 :(

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PinkFreud:

(that's not just stale – it's growing mold, too)

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iamlindoro:

PinkFreud, If you submit patches for lcd4linux, sure :)

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PinkFreud:

I was afraid of that :)

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jams:

June 2009 was the last release of lcdproc

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PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: is it possible to have mythlcdserver output to a pipe or stdout instead of lcdproc?

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PinkFreud:

jams: really?

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jams:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/lcdproc/files/

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jams:

yep

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jams:

their main website is outdated

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PinkFreud:

lcdproc website lists 0.5.2 as the last release, on 2007-04–27

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PinkFreud:

heh, slightly

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iamlindoro:

PinkFreud, Anything is possible if you patch it-- as it is now, however, it's LCDProc or nothing

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PinkFreud:

ewww. not much flxibility there, eh?

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iamlindoro:

LCDProc is the de facto linux LCD standard, whereas tonight is the first time I've ever heard of lcd4linux

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, must be myth's fault

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PinkFreud:

crap. 0.5.3 doesn't have support for it, either.

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PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: not at all. having the flexibility to output data to a pipe/socket/stdout, though, would help with interfacing to other, not-directly-supported software. :)

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** PinkFreud shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

As I am becoming increasingly fond of saying, there is no easier resource to spend than other people's time ;)

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iamlindoro:

Someone's still got to write the code, and none of us Myth devs have need of lcd4linux TTBOMK

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PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: Indeed. I'm not very well versed in C, though.

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jams:

lcd4linux has been around along time, not for sure the story behind it but it's just as old as lcdproc

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PinkFreud:

Perl, I can do, but that's not a terribly useful skillset in this case.

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mag0o:

me neither, but i submitted my first patch today :) (first bit of C code *ever*) :)

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iamlindoro:

Your code was C++ ;)

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iamlindoro:

See? You didn't even know what language you were speaking, but you managed ;)

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PinkFreud:

mag0o: I've submitted the occasional patch. Writing support for, say, sending data to a pipe is something I won't be doing anytime soon, though. :P

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PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: lol

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mag0o:

exactly!

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mag0o:

oh, guess the cpp should have let me know...

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PinkFreud:

http://www.picolcd.com/drivers/

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Oleg_:

sphery: ok, thanks. now the mythtv front end starts with no problems, but the mouse doesn't work in it. is this how it's supposed to be?

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PinkFreud:

alas – the driver for the 256x64 graphic display is only in lcd4linux.

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PinkFreud:

(in fact, the driver page gives you a tarball of lcd4linux :/ )

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Oleg_:

wait. it does work when I enter the setup option

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PinkFreud:

the text displays there use the picolcd driver in lcdproc. it'd be handy to have myth support the 256x64 graphical display, to.

[02:58:01]

PinkFreud:

er, too

[03:02:16]

sphery:

Oleg_: there's a setting that determines whether it's displayed or not--probably in Appearance section

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Oleg_:

ok, how do I start watching movies with the mythtv player?

[03:05:38]

kormoc:

Oleg_: read up on mythvideo on the wiki

[03:09:14]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

[03:11:37]

Oleg_:

my IP address is dynamic. If it keeps changing, I will have to keep re-editing my.cnf?

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sphery:

Ah, don't you love it when you sit down, start eating a snack, get distracted, go to clean up the snack, and find that you still have half the snack left to eat. :)

[03:12:47]

sphery:

Oleg_: you pretty much need a static IP for MythTV

[03:13:01]

mag0o:

haha, that's great unless it's cake and you're cleaning up 2 days later

[03:13:04]

sphery:

set up your DHCP server to assign the same address to your system

[03:13:14]

sphery:

mag0o: heh, well, I wasn't distracted /that/ long

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clever`:

sphery: ive been 'distracted' long enough for a glass of milk to turn solid:P

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Oleg_:

sphery: wait, my.cnf wants a LAN IP or a WAN IP?

[03:13:57]

sphery:

ewww

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sphery:

Oleg_: LAN IP

[03:14:06]

mag0o:

that's not hard, have a 3 year old leave their cup in the car for 8 hours after dropping them off at school...in the middle of summer

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clever`:

Oleg_: always LAN

[03:14:19]

Oleg_:

oh, then, of course, it's static

[03:14:34]

nichos:

back:)

[03:15:17]

nichos:

Can someone explain what this means from the mythwiki: "the hardware encoder will multiplex the audio with the video stream. "

[03:15:32]

nichos:

does that mean I'll be able to use my sound card on my computer or is something else required/

[03:16:09]

sphery:

nichos: it means that hardware encoders like the PVR-150 and PVR-500 can work without any access to sound cards

[03:16:33]

clever`:

the pvr-150 has its own audio input and audio encoding/capture

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sphery:

nichos: which means your sound card can be used for playback and you can have as many PVR-150's/PVR-500's (or HVR-1600's or HD-PVR's or ...) connected to the system as you want

[03:17:01]

sphery:

you don't need a sound card for each one

[03:17:06]

sphery:

(or for any one)

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nichos:

great, fyi, this is the HVR-2250

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sphery:

is the analog side of that working, yet?

[03:17:33]

nichos:

but I'll be using an hdmi to dvi adapter

[03:17:44]

nichos:

not from what I've read (I haven't bought it yet)

[03:17:53]

nichos:

but do we need that in america?

[03:17:53]

wagnerrp:

sphery: stoth (i think?) said he was going to take a look at it in a couple months

[03:17:55]

wagnerrp:

but not yet

[03:17:59]

sphery:

with digital, you're not using a hardware encoder

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wagnerrp:

nichos: its nice for dealing with cable

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nichos:

i'll be all ota

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nichos:

this should be fine?

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sphery:

with digital, the broadcaster/re-broadcaster does the encoding

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nichos:

everything i watch now using my TV appears to be digital

[03:18:59]

nichos:

and I thought it was required in the US anyway

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sphery:

according to http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards , it should be fine for OTA ATSC

[03:19:39]

nichos:

is there a preferred card for digital OTA?

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sphery:

some cable co's still use analog, and when they don't, many encrypt channels, requiring you to use their set-top boxes and output analog to an encoder

[03:19:48]

nichos:

reading the wiki, ppl are excited about this:)

[03:19:55]

nichos:

ohhhh ok

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sphery:

though note that for the 2250, you'll need sufficiently new drivers (which seem to be in Mercurial only, at this point)

[03:20:36]

nichos:

so OTA is fine, digital unscrambled cable is fine, it's really just analog cable that might be an issue

[03:20:56]

sphery:

right

[03:21:23]

nichos:

great:)

[03:21:36]

nichos:

sphery, would you recommend another card? I don't see anything comprable

[03:21:50]

sphery:

the 2250 is the dual-tuner version of the 1250?

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nichos:

I believe so

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sphery:

so dual digital recievers and dual MPEG-2 encoders

[03:23:03]

sphery:

so it's more than dual-tuner 1250

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sphery:

nichos: which "comparable" do you need

[03:23:50]

sphery:

half-height PCIe?

[03:23:57]

nichos:

i'd like to watch on chan foo and record chan bar

[03:24:00]

sphery:

dual digital receivers

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nichos:

PCIe

[03:24:37]

sphery:

I sthe 1800 cheaper than the 2250?

[03:24:47]

nichos:

the 2250 is $96

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sphery:

oh, wait, maybe it's one digital and one analog

[03:25:19]

nichos:

the 1800 is about the same

[03:25:24]

sphery:

anyway, I don't know my cards anymore--can't keep up

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larzen:

i wish 2250 worked with analog!

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sphery:

basically, though, with the 2250, you're getting 2 analog hardware MPEG-2 encoders that you won't use

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larzen:

up in canada we dont have clear QAM

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sphery:

if there's a dual-tuner PCIe without the analog encoders, it may be cheaper

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nichos:

The 1800 says "Two tuners on board: a 125 channel cable ready TV tuner and an ATSC/QAM digital TV tuner. "

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larzen:

so the whole thing is a fail

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larzen:

I am still forced to use 2x PVR-150s (PCI) old dinosaurs.

[03:26:34]

Oleg_:

it says:

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nichos:

sphery – but are there any alternatives that will let me record digital on 1 chan, and watch OTA digital on another?

[03:26:35]

Oleg_:

Host '192.168.0.197' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server

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sphery:

yeah, it seems to be a single analog and a single digital dtuner on the 1800

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sphery:

nichos: all you need is any dual-tuner digital card

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sphery:

remember, though, in MythTV "watch OTA digital" is still recording

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nichos:

right, it's really record 2 chan;)

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larzen:

sphery: can the 2250 take an HD signal from, say, an STB ?

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sphery:

Oleg_: now we're back to http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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sphery:

larzen: the only way to encode high-definition output from an STB is with the HD-PVR (it takes an analog output from the STB, via component cables, and encodes it to H.264)

[03:29:24]

nichos:

Looking at newegg the 2250 is the ONLY card with dual digital tuners (unless im missing something)

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sphery:

nichos: some of the others know the hauppauge line much better than me... I just haven't kept up because I haven't bought a digital tuner since 2006.

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larzen:

HD-PVR .. which model ?

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larzen:

2250 ?

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nichos:

sphery – any reason NOT to get the 2250 (unless price is an issue)?

[03:30:09]

sphery:

HD-PVR, not HVR-xxxx

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larzen:

ahh ok

[03:30:24]

sphery:

larzen: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

[03:30:38]

sphery:

larzen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

[03:31:04]

sphery:

nichos: probably not--assuming you're willing to do the driver dance until the drivers make it to the mainline kernel

[03:31:20]

nichos:

sphery – looks like they have (in the latest kernel)

[03:31:24]

nichos:

all good news:)

[03:31:50]

nichos:

I'm going to order this and a GP-IR02BK to use with my philips pronto

[03:31:54]

nichos:

i should be all set:)

[03:33:49]

Oleg_:

now I get a different error:

[03:33:51]

Oleg_:

Database error was:

[03:33:52]

Oleg_:

Access denied for user 'oleg'@'192.168.0.197' (using password: YES)

[03:34:58]

Oleg_:

oops

[03:34:59]

nichos:

thanks for your help sphery

[03:37:42]

Oleg_:

I executed these commands:

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mag0o:

Oleg_: pastebin for more than 3 lines

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Oleg_:

mysql -u root mythconverg

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Oleg_:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.197" identified by "mythtv";

[03:38:16]

Oleg_:

mysql> flush privileges;

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kormoc:

Oleg_: the user is the part before @, so you granted permissions to user mythtv but attempted to login as user oleg

[03:39:36]

Oleg_:

oh, ok

[03:39:40]

Oleg_:

sorry for being a n00b

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sphery:

Oleg_: I heard a rumor that you're looking for Blu-Ray subtitle support. Do you have a sufficiently new version of MythTV for that? 0.22-fixes will not work.

[03:42:26]

Oleg_:

oh, so I need to upgrade to a newer version of mythtv?

[03:42:36]

Oleg_:

yes, my version of mythtv is 0.22

[03:43:21]

sphery:

Well, I know that blu-ray subtitles won't work in 0.22. They might work in 0.23-fixes (where 0.23 isn't yet released). I think they work in trunk.

[03:43:47]

sphery:

all of the above being hearsay--I don't have any Blu-Rays nor the drive to read them

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iamlindoro:

Correct, .23 and later

[03:44:01]

sphery:

(where drive can be interpreted either of 2 ways :)

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Oleg_:

well, gentoo can emerge media-tv/mythtv-0.23_alpha22857

[03:46:24]

iamlindoro:

22857 wayyyyyyy too old

[03:46:38]

sphery:

current is r24009

[03:47:17]

sphery:

there wasn't even a 0.23-fixes in the 22K's was there?

[03:47:21]

iamlindoro:

nope

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sphery:

that must be pre-0.23-branch trunk, right?

[03:47:26]

iamlindoro:

it's just broken versioning

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iamlindoro:

right

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sphery:

yeah, while I'd recommend 0.23-fixes over 0.22-fixes, I wouldn't recommend pre-0.23-fixes trunk over 0.22-fixes

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Oleg_:

before upgrading to 0.23, I wanna still try to get rid of those database errors

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sphery:

yeah, you'll need that set up either way

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Mardok_:

I have an Intel Atom 330 as a backend recording SD TV. When I watch live TV it's fine for a moment, but it keeps studdering for a split second. Does anyone know how to get the playback to play smoothly?

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sphery:

Oleg_: but if all you need is blu-ray subtitles, I'd think you'd find it much easier to use current mplayer or something

[03:54:43]

Oleg_:

well, I wanna have mythtv installed too

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iamlindoro:

Mardok_, upgrade to real hardware

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sphery:

Oleg_: if you /are/ planning to record TV, then MythTV is a great choice. If not...

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sphery:

ok, just making sure

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sphery:

Mardok_: also, sometimes pausing for a couple seconds works

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sphery:

Mardok_: but real hardware is the best solution

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sphery:

Mardok_: and not using LiveTV is even better than best

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sphery:

:)

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Mardok_:

I have a MSI tv@anywhere recording FYI

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sphery:

Mardok_: also, check your playback profiles

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sphery:

and your audio setup

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sphery:

and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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Mardok_:

+sphery:

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Mardok_:

mt

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sphery:

and don't use pulse audio

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Mardok_:

I realize that I'm using cheap hardware, but surely a dedicated Atom 330 board with a tv@nywhere recording playback should be good enough for SD TV, right?

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iamlindoro:

an Atom 330, in the absence of a stong GPU to do the decoding, is pretty awful

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't could on it handling anything at all

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iamlindoro:

er count

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iamlindoro:

especially running the backend on the same hardware

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Oleg_:

iamlindoro: I compiled the latest mplayer from svn, but can't turn on subs in m2ts files when I run it

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sphery:

and especially, especially running the mysql server on the same hardware

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Oleg_:

iamlindoro: however, I can turn on subs in mkvs

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iamlindoro:

Oleg_, We don't support mplayer here

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Mardok_:

All I really want it to do is record stuff, I don't really care about live TV.

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Oleg_:

iamlindoro: in #mplayer, they say that mplayer doesn't support subs in m2ts files

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iamlindoro:

Oleg_, We don't support mplayer here

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sphery:

moving the backend and mysql server off to a different (real) host might be enough to get SDTV working

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Oleg_:

ok

[04:01:49]

sphery:

I hear the PS3 provides good blu-ray support :)

[04:02:01]

Oleg_:

let's return to fixing that database error in mythtv

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Oleg_:

I ran this command:

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Oleg_:

grant all on mythconverg.* to oleg@"192.168.0.197" identified by "mythtv";

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Oleg_:

then typed flush privileges;

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Oleg_:

and then restarted mysql

[04:03:47]

wagnerrp:

why restart mysql?

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Oleg_:

well, there was no need to do that? ok

[04:04:31]

Oleg_:

but mythtv keeps giving me this error:

[04:04:34]

Oleg_:

Access denied for user 'oleg'@'192.168.0.197' (using password: YES)

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Oleg_:

look at this, this is the output I get from mythfrontend: http://pastebin.com/8cpju2yQ

[04:08:34]

sphery:

yeah, you'll get that until you get the MySQL configuration correct

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Oleg_:

sphery: but I followed the instructions that you had given me

[04:09:21]

sphery:

mysql security is a challenge--because it's multilayered and allows overlaps

[04:09:36]

sphery:

so you probably have another rule that's preventing that connection even though you just allowed it

[04:10:09]

sphery:

basically, the instructions in the HOWTO work /if/ you have a "clean" DB--i.e. one unadulterated by distro-provided setup

[04:10:30]

sphery:

(meaning clean DB server, though)

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Oleg_:

maybe I should run mysql -u oleg mythconverg, instead of -u root

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Oleg_:

because I didn't start mythfrontend as root

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sphery:

but if the distro-provided stuff gets in the way, you'll need to find someone who uses your distro to help you figure out how they configured MySQL security

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Oleg_:

ok

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sphery:

Oleg_: note that the system accounts have nothing to do with the MySQL accounts, too... I /never/ run mysql client as the system root user, but I do occasionally use my personal system account to start mysql and log into mysql server as the mysql root user

[04:12:55]

sphery:

but, yeah, get mysql -uoleg mythconverg working, then Myth should work

[04:13:09]

sphery:

or you may want to set up a mythtv user in mysql for mythtv

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Mardok_:

I got the playback to stop stuttering, all I had to do is turn down the LiveTV recording profile.

[04:27:23]

Mardok_:

turn down the quality*

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Oleg_:

ok, now I am connected to the database, but get this error:

[04:38:44]

Oleg_:

MythContext: Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543

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Oleg_:

Connection to master server timed out.

[04:39:20]

Oleg_:

how do I start the master backend server?

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sphery:

run mythtv-setup, configure it, then run mythbackend

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sphery:

see the howto for more

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Oleg_:

oh, so before starting mythfrontend, we need to start mythbackend

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mag0o:

yes

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Oleg_:

AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to calculate necessary parameters.

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Oleg_:

it's okay to ignore this error?

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Beirdo:

yay. Seattle beats Oakland. good way to start the season.

[05:22:29]

Beirdo:

and time for me to go to sleep

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Oleg_:

the wiki says: "Enter MythVideo..."

[05:31:53]

Oleg_:

how do I enter it?

[05:32:06]

Oleg_:

I can't find MythVideo in mythtv-setup

[05:33:33]

Oleg_:

oh

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Oleg_:

looks like on gentoo I have to emerge it

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Oleg_:

but gentoo doesn't offer a package for the most recent 0.23.x version

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wagnerrp:

gentoo doesnt offer packages... period

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sphery:

The Filesystem Info cache error is because you're running a tunerless backend/system. Once you set up the TV part of MythTV, all will be good.

[05:49:05]

sphery:

Beirdo: Nigel was talking about the "are you sure" prompt that it does before the plugin schema upgrade for MythVideo and MythMusic.

[05:50:15]

sphery:

However, the current implementation is kind of annoying in that it asks for both mythmusic and mythvideo individually (and there's never a good reason to allow one to upgrade and not the other, IMHO)

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sphery:

adding a 3rd one in would be even more fun

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sphery:

then add in mythgallery, and mythbrowser, and mythmovies, and ...

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Oleg_:

Okay, I installed mythvideo, but how do I enter it?

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Oleg_:

the wiki says "enter MythVideo"

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wagnerrp:

media library --> watch videos

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Oleg_:

it says "no files found". how do I select a file from my hard drive, so I could play it?

[06:01:50]

Oleg_:

oh

[06:01:53]

Oleg_:

by pressing M

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sphery:

this is where that mythvideo wiki page comes in handy

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** mag0o decides to ask here... **

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mag0o:

i can't figure out how to word what i need to ask...

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mag0o:

i'm trying to get importicons to show the channel icon outside of the buttonlist, but it's not. i got it done for channeloverview, but similar changes for iconimport just aren't working

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mag0o:

what -v can i turn on to see if it's actually doing anything? here is the diff http://pastebin.org/138583

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sphery:

I don't know anything about the icon importer, but I'd guess your best bet for figuring out what it is/isn't doing is peppering the code with new VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, QString("myvariable: %1").arg(myvariable)); type statements

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sphery:

then just run at normal verbosity and you can see your messages

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sphery:

I typically prefix mine so they're easier to see--something like "*** myvariable: %1"

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mag0o:

i think that's what i'm looking for, thats basically like echo'ing out your $VAR in a bash script for rudimentary debugging, right?

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sphery:

right

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mag0o:

thanks

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Oleg_:

looks like it doesn't play blu-ray files now with vdpau enabled

[06:19:29]

Oleg_:

even though I compiled mythtv with vdpau support

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sphery:

check your playback profiles

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sphery:

tv settings|playback, 3rd screen

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Oleg_:

I selected VDPAU High Quality profile and still have the same problem when playing that file

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Oleg_:

on the command-line, I see this:

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Oleg_:

2010-04–06 02:31:59.097 NVP(0): prebuffering pause

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Oleg_:

maybe I should enable extra audio buffering

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Oleg_:

I don't get it. I changed the default player choice to mplayer, but it still uses nvp when I try to play a file

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Oleg_:

why?

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to use mplayer?

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: well, please tell me how to force nvp play hd files without problems

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Oleg_:

holy fuck

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wagnerrp:

HD files work just fine for me with 'Internal'

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wagnerrp:

and watch the language

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Oleg_:

please help

[07:01:59]

wagnerrp:

what are you trying to play? (codec, bitrate)

[07:02:07]

Oleg_:

even if I choose "vdpau high quality" profile, the internal player plays hd files with problems

[07:02:10]

Oleg_:

h264

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wagnerrp:

this is a straight rip? meaning like 30–40mbps?

[07:03:08]

Oleg_:

straight blu-ray rip

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wagnerrp:

what graphics card do you have?

[07:03:19]

wagnerrp:

and processor?

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Oleg_:

geforce 9500gt

[07:04:43]

Oleg_:

but does it matter what cpu I have if I choose the vdpau profile?

[07:05:10]

wagnerrp:

certain versions of AMD have problems with cool&quiet

[07:05:27]

wagnerrp:

the processor downclocks, and the bus speed drops with it

[07:05:35]

wagnerrp:

to the point that the graphics card gets starved

[07:05:48]

wagnerrp:

but that may only be with onboard graphics using shared system memory

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Oleg_:

my cpu is e2140

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wagnerrp:

these are local files?

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wagnerrp:

or pumped through mythbackend? or pumped over some network file system?

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Oleg_:

those files are on my hard drive

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Cpt_Zyph:

hay guys i have a quick question

[07:09:17]

wagnerrp:

the cable companies would be foolish to disable analog

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wagnerrp:

too many users on older HDTV sets

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Cpt_Zyph:

well in my state they are reporting that before the end of the year they will be no longer supporting analog

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot do HDMI capture

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Cpt_Zyph:

humm

[07:10:09]

wagnerrp:

because no STB will output over HDMI without enabling HDCP

[07:10:25]

wagnerrp:

meaning capturing such would required breaking encryption

[07:10:58]

wagnerrp:

when they say they will no longer support analog, they mean analog cable

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Cpt_Zyph:

guess i'm not fully understanding then

[07:11:22]

wagnerrp:

cable companies typically transmit both digital and analog feeds

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Cpt_Zyph:

rgr

[07:11:38]

wagnerrp:

the analog feeds are channel ~78 and below

[07:11:49]

Cpt_Zyph:

so if it goes only digital.. then hwo will that effect myth tv

[07:11:57]

wagnerrp:

allowing people to continue using old CRT TVs, without having to buy cable boxes

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[R]:

Cpt_Zyph: how are you capturing?

[07:12:18]

wagnerrp:

digital cable is usually on channels 79+

[07:12:34]

Cpt_Zyph:

i'm not yet i'm try'n to make a box.. but my plan hit the breaks.. i have an external tv / usb etc.. but i'm sure i will need to buy some new hardware

[07:12:50]

Cpt_Zyph:

how ever before i do i would like to tweek out some stuff and learn the setup a bit more as this is my first go at this

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[R]:

Cpt_Zyph: well if there is no analog channels... the digital ones are gonna be encrypted most likely... so you'll have to capture off a cable box

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wagnerrp:

you want to record digital cable, so you have three options

[07:13:39]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Cpt_Zyph:

thats whatmy friend was tell'n me when i talked to hiim about making a myth tv box.. for the purpose of dvr.. he pretty much said as soon as its digital only then it wouldn't work 8/

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wagnerrp:

as soon as its digital only, you have to read that page

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Cpt_Zyph:

i'm browsing it over now

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Cpt_Zyph:

i guess my only other question is th eonly guides i see are people spending quite a bit for a nice machine.. for the purpose of learning.. does linux work farily well with other capture cards.. usb versions etc or am i wasting my time even trying to mess with that?

[07:15:39]

wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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Cpt_Zyph:

i see

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Cpt_Zyph:

well thank you for th einformation i clearly have more work / prep / reading to do before i start .. just figured i have so many spare parts from fixing pc's at home

[07:17:33]

Cpt_Zyph:

just think i need a capture card thats decent.. tho teh rest of the hardware is probably going to be rather low end for starters

[07:19:35]

Cpt_Zyph:

well if anyone has any guild starter guides etc.. or known hardware thats been tested to be quite stable that would be helpful. Thank you again people for your help on my prior questions

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wagnerrp:

theres a 'what do you think about this hardware?' type thread on the mailing list every week or two

[07:21:32]

wagnerrp:

just search the archives

[07:22:02]

spamanj:

hey everybody

[07:22:04]

wagnerrp:

or check out http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview for an idea of what myth needs

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Cpt_Zyph:

+wagnerp thank you man appreciate it alot

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: why doesn't mythtv use mplayer as a default player even if I choose it?

[07:22:31]

wagnerrp:

or you can start looking through user profiles on the wiki, a number of users have their machine specs listed

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: it should, dont know why it wouldnt

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wagnerrp:

but if you set up mythvideo using storage groups, it will fail

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wagnerrp:

and in the next version or two, that option is scheduled to be removes

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wagnerrp:

removed

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Oleg_:

wagnerpp: Yeah, I set up storage groups. If I don't set up storage groups, I don't know how to make mythtvfrontend look into a right directory for my files

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spamanj:

I got a question: I just found realized mythbackend has upnp on by default, and it has to be disabled in the command line starting it up. So I am afraid thathave been unknowingly serving up my video files ripped dvds etcand mp3s to people on my cable modem segment

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wagnerrp:

its explained on the wiki page

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wagnerrp:

spamanj: cant happen (assuming youre runnign a sane network)

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spamanj:

define sane

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spamanj:

I never asked it to run a upnp service, and must have missed that it was

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[R]:

spamanj: so where is the question...

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spamanj:

I am not a upnp expert., so i am not sure how bad this is

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spamanj:

anyway is there really nowhere in the database to disable this?

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Oleg_:

wagnerpp: vdpau should also fail if I set up mythtv with storage groups

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spamanj:

or does it HAVE to be in the commandline

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wagnerrp:

are you running NAT on your router?

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Oleg_:

?

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: no, VDPAU works just fine

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spamanj:

my main computer IS my router

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Oleg_:

not for me!

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spamanj:

I have 12 computers

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spamanj:

and NAT running on the main one

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wagnerrp:

myth will only listen on the address you specify

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spamanj:

good......

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wagnerrp:

so even if you somehow were sending UPNP broadcasts out over the cable segment

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spamanj:

which setting is that?

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wagnerrp:

it would fail trying to connect to an invalid address

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wagnerrp:

'Master Backend IP'

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spamanj:

yay!

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spamanj:

thanks.

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wagnerrp:

why would you think people were downloading your dvds and mp3s?

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spamanj:

I NEVER knew it was doing upnp unitl 15 minutes ago

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spamanj:

so i had no knowledge of what i was doing

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wagnerrp:

so this was just panic?

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spamanj:

yes

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spamanj:

the upnp more being on by default and requiring a flag to turn t off, combined with a lack of documentation of how to restrict it to a subnet is a surprise

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wagnerrp:

upnp only turns on if you have your backend set to listen on a non-loopback address

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wagnerrp:

and then it listens on the interface bound to that address

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spamanj:

It was not obvious that they were using the same setting for myth's protocol and upnp.

[07:31:30]

spamanj:

well that IS sane. you are right

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spamanj:

but even little bit more sane would be requiring a flag to turn it ON

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wagnerrp:

perhaps...

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spamanj:

or a database entry

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spamanj:

with a setup option in the main gui

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: ok, I don't have problems if I choose "Vdpau Normal" profile, instead of "Vdpau High Quality Profile"

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wagnerrp:

the only difference between those two profiles is the deinterlacer options

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wagnerrp:

your 9500gt should be plenty capable of handling all available deint filters

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wagnerrp:

and it shouldnt matter because youre playing progressive scan content, which wont get deinterlaced anyway

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Oleg_:

well, I am simply stating the fact

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Oleg_:

oh my, this is weird. Yes, I am playing only 1080p stuff, yet for some reason, "vdpau high quality" gives me problems, and "vdpau normal" does not!

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wolf-x:

Hi! Could you tell me, how do plug mythbrowser and other plug-in in myth-tv?

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justinh:

how on Earth would upnp broadcasts get out of your network anyway?

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justinh:

wolf-x: what do you mean, exactly? plugins are easy to install if you use packages. install plugins, start mythfrontend.. and if everything is the correct (same) version they will work

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justinh:

if you build mythtv from source you have to install mythtv first, then build the plugins & install them

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wagnerrp:

justinh: like i said, it wouldnt if you have a sane network

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wagnerrp:

multicast packets default to a TTL of 1

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wagnerrp:

which means they die as soon as they hit the first router

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wagnerrp:

anything UPNP should never leave the broadcast domain

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justinh:

heh

[09:00:51]

wagnerrp:

of course if youre allowing broadcast traffic out onto your cable segment

[09:00:58]

wagnerrp:

you have other problems

[09:02:54]

wagnerrp:

what is the purpose of all these programs trying to break the land speed record?

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justinh:

because it's there?

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine they develop any technology applicable to anything worthwhile

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wagnerrp:

i suppose

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wolf-x:

justin: thank you)

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wagnerrp:

i mean air speed records, i can understand

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justinh:

the human race does plenty of stuff which apparently has no point. I mean look at Lost

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wagnerrp:

when they were doing those supersonic trials, they were reaching an environment never before experienced

[09:05:38]

wagnerrp:

all sorts of testing on upper atmosphere, aerodynamic heating, partial reentry....

[09:06:43]

wagnerrp:

but the land speed record? just put a ballsy pilot in a fighter, fly 2ft off the ground, and you have the same thing

[09:07:26]

wagnerrp:

the autopilot systems in those things could probably do it without any significant reprogramming

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justinh:

heh. now elgato enter the network tuner fray

[09:16:22]

justinh:

Â£230 for a twin tuner dvb-t networked thing. Ugh

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justinh:

woo microdirect has the fan controller I want, cheaper than ebuyer

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justinh:

yay! #5954 closed as wontfix :)

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justinh:

all enemies of common sense – thwarted. I like

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Jester86:

hey does anyone in here have verizon or at&t w/ an android phone?

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Beirdo:

sphery: ahhh. Although it makes no real sense to not upgrade

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Beirdo:

especially in this case where it is a benign upgrade :)

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Beirdo:

yay. Last day at the job...

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dewman:

good morning, does anyone have mythexport running on the latest trunk of .23?

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dewman:

when i try to install, it complains about libmyth-perl

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Dudesky1:

do u have G210 or a GT220 hdmi audio working with .23

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Dudesky1:

no using mythexport

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Dudesky1:

not using mythexport

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Are you going on Vacation, or leaving your company?

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dewman:

I figured the mythexport out...Forgot to check the testing ppa.... oops...

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Oleg_:

I will have no problems if I install the latest mythtv from svn?

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skd5aner:

lol

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skd5aner:

Oleg_: probably? yes? no?

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skd5aner:

Oleg_: But if I were you, I'd just install .23-fixes if you're in that much of a hurry, or wait a day or 2 until it's actually released

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Oleg_:

what tv tuner/capture card would be fully compatible with linux and mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only supports a handful of devices directly, beyond that, we rely on them for hardware support

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oobe:

what devices does mythtv support directly ?

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wagnerrp:

HDHR, HDPVR, Plextor Convert-X

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wagnerrp:

devices that represent a unique interface

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oobe:

ok so there is no direct need for drivers just communication like scripts etc.

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wagnerrp:

no, those devices all have to be handled specially

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR has its own network protocol

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR doesnt fall within the behavior of either V4L or IVTV

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

just curious

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wagnerrp:

the Convert-X is some funky device that compresses video, but requires myth to separately capture and multiplex the audio in

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wagnerrp:

mythtv used to have special support for the dreambox, but no devs have that device or have any way to support it

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: this card would be probably good to buy? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-2250

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Oleg_:

and I don't need a support for analog captures

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wagnerrp:

for broadcast digital, sure

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wagnerrp:

for digital cable, you want to read this page... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Oleg_:

well, I wanna simple connect my home antenna to a tv tuner/capture card, so I could watch and record ATSC broadcasts

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Oleg_:

or 480p broadcasts

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Oleg_:

480p broadcasts are digital, right?

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Oleg_:

tv stations don't broadcast in an analog format anymore, right?

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Oleg_:

I mean, they don't broadcasts programs through an analog format, right?

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wagnerrp:

sort of, low power (<10kW) and nighttime analog broadcasts are allowed

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wagnerrp:

and you cant record 480p digital

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wagnerrp:

you just record digital

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wagnerrp:

you get whatever the broadcaster is sending you

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wagnerrp:

which is almost always 720p or 1080i

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wagnerrp:

the only things that usually come at 480p will be weather/news subchannels, or one of the many PBS subchannels

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wagnerrp:

PBS stations usually have 5–6 channels each

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Oleg_:

but in the future, tv stations will start broadcasting in 1080p

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wagnerrp:

not likely

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wagnerrp:

the ATSC standard allows for 1080p, 16VSB (double bandwidth), and h264 (better compression)

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wagnerrp:

but dont expect either to be used

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Oleg_:

wait, tv stations still don't broadcast in h264? they only broadcast in mpeg2?

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wagnerrp:

no hardware devices have support for h264

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wagnerrp:

they cant broadcast in it, because no one would be able to play it

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wagnerrp:

h264 was only added to the ATSC spec last summer

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: maybe in another 30 years then. :P

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wagnerrp:

h264 will probably be used if there ever becomes a mobile ATSC standard

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Oleg_:

Okay, I need to run "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-23-fixes/ mythtv-0–23

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Oleg_:

" to get the latest 0.23 version?

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Oleg_:

it will download all mythtv plugins too?

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iamlindoro:

That will download the source, plugins included, yes.

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skd5aner:

ahh, the joys of deleting all video sources & channels and starting over :'(

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: why did they add h264 to the spec at this point? Anticipating that eventually that h264 will be a prefered format to broadcast in the future?

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skd5aner:

doh – I see your mobile comment

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Oleg_:

iamlindoro: what are the benefits of getting an unstable development version? will it really crash a lot?

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iamlindoro:

.23-fixes is more stable than .22-fixes. It will only crash a lot if it is installed or built improperly

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wagnerrp:

you probably dont want to be running trunk during this cycle

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wagnerrp:

'this' being the 0.24 dev cycle

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Beirdo2:

Take that job and shove it. I ain't working there no more!

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stuartm:

heh

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mrand:

mythfrontend suddenly spiked to consume a full core on my dual core... it is otherwise sitting idle.

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Beirdo2:

I'm free!

[16:09:53]

mrand:

frontend log doesn't seem to show anything interesting at the moment.

[16:09:58]

mrand:

Any ideas on what to check?

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mrand:

the system hasn't been used all morning (tuners haven't been in use for hours)

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mrand:

Ok, stuff in frontend log now. Appears to have been mythweather or mythnetvision.

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iamlindoro:

mrand: That's to be expected if you're having MNV trees update themselves in the background

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Beirdo2:

Shouldn't be mythweather. It only updates every few minutes and updates take seconds at worst usually.

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mrand:

yeah. The spike didn't last too long, so I'll leave it for now.

[16:15:55]

mrand:

9 minutes.

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Beirdo2:

And you can make it only update while mythweather screens are up too

[16:16:10]

mrand:

Beirdo2: yeah, I don't care for that so much.

[16:16:22]

mrand:

Although the amount of junk it throws in the logs has always bothered me.

[16:16:37]

mrand:

I'm of the "if it isn't causing a problem, it shouldn't be logged" variety.

[16:16:41]

Beirdo2:

Heh

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Beirdo2:

Well that can be fixed

[16:17:09]

mrand:

Yeah, looking over it, my frontend log is nearly _all_ mythweather.

[16:17:45]

mrand:

Beirdo2: is there a flag I'm missing?

[16:18:01]

Beirdo2:

Ick. I think I just got more work to do

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mrand:

ok

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Beirdo2:

Not sure. Didn't touch the logging yet

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo2: I guess that answers my earlier question... ;-) Off to greener pastures?

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Beirdo2:

Yup. Seattle here I come.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo2: Ah, back to the USS...A.. ;-)

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Beirdo2:

Well it will be my first time living in USA proper

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Beirdo2:

But yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo2: That's right... you're from 'the north'. ;-)

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Beirdo2:

Heh. Yup. Further south than Seattle but great white north.

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Beirdo2:

Need to update linkedin

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Beirdo2:

Be back on the flip side soon

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, the whole purpose of asking is in case someone starts up a wrong-version frontend on their network and it tries to upgrade the DB. So, if they're running -fixes and accidentally start up a trunk frontend, it could prevent them from having to upgrade.

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sphery:

basically, Nigel wrote the prompts for MythVideo and MythMusic, then moved on to other things.

[16:39:09]

sphery:

but, if nothing else, the framework is there, now.

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Oleg_:

./mythbackend

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Oleg_:

./mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.23.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Oleg_:

but that library was compiled

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Oleg_:

this is what I did

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Oleg_:

I ran ./configure from ~/mythtv-0–23/mythtv directory

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Oleg_:

then I ran make -j 3

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Oleg_:

then I typed cd programs/mythbackend

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Oleg_:

and from there I typed ./mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

can't do that

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iamlindoro:

you need to install myth properly if you want to use it

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Beirdo:

sphery: yeah, I guess that makes sense

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Beirdo:

heh. if someone makes a ticket, assign it to me, I'll go change it if nobody else wants to claim mythweather for the time being

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

I can have a NAP :)

[16:57:06]

Beirdo:

muhahaha

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Oleg_:

iamlindoro: okay, I guess I need to unmerge the gentoo packages of mythtv-0.22 and mythvideo-0.22 first?

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iamlindoro:

Couldn't tell you what gentoo is supposed to do, but yes, you need to remove any .22 libraries and headers before installing .23

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sphery:

Beirdo: Yeah, my only complaints with the current prompting are a) it's only 2 of X plugins, and b) it asks for each one. I may eventually finish the job (and ask only once).

[17:02:20]

Oleg_:

mythbackend version: branches/release-0-23-fixes [24014] www.mythtv.org

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Oleg_:

looks good?

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Beirdo:

sphery: well, let me know if you want a retrofit to mythweather in the meantime

[17:06:39]

Oleg_:

by the way, the installation instructions miss one step

[17:06:59]

Beirdo:

I can't promise tons of time in the next week while I finish packing, but in just over a week (like a few hours over), I will be in Seattle.

[17:07:02]

Beirdo:

:)

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Oleg_:

after entering mythtv-0.23 directory, you will also need to enter mythtv directory and run configure from there

[17:07:46]

Oleg_:

but the instructions imply it's enough just to enter mythtv-0.23 directory

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iamlindoro:

No they don't

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Oleg_:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2

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sphery:

Beirdo: yay... but, yeah, I'll probably initially just do the same prompt we have now

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sphery:

then eventually fix them all to do a yes to all/no to all

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iamlindoro:

Oleg_: The instructions you were looking at refer to the tarball

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Beirdo:

cool

[17:10:37]

iamlindoro:

And are correct for the tarball

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Oleg_:

iamlindoro: but they don't even mention that you need to enter one additional directory if you download mythtv from svn

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iamlindoro:

Oleg_: If you need that kind of instruction, MythTV is not for you

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Oleg_:

well, it would always be nice to have a nice documentation :)

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Oleg_:

so, if I wanna build all plugins, I need to add --enable-all option to configure?

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sphery:

Oleg_: have you looked at Marc T's ebuilds for MythTV/plugins?

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Oleg_:

well, don't need ebuilds

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sphery:

you're using gentoo, right?

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Oleg_:

I will simply run ./configure --enable-all from mythplugins directory

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sphery:

if so, why not use the built-in package management?

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sphery:

not to mention it helps you build it properly

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Oleg_:

sphery: because for some reason, gentoo provides outdated packages of version 0.23 even after you run emerge --sync

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kormoc:

why use Gentoo if you don't use ebuilds for everything

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kormoc:

Oleg_: so bump the versions?

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Oleg_:

I almost always use ebuilds

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iamlindoro:

So this is that legendary gentoo technical expertise I'm always hearing about

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kormoc:

Oleg_: it's a 5 minute process to update the ebuilds on your own

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sphery:

Oleg_: http://wiki.github.com/MarcT/mt-mythtv/

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Oleg_:

well, doesn't matter

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kormoc:

yeah, cause why bother using a package management system

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kormoc:

overhead, overhead, overhead

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iamlindoro:

vroom vroom!

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Oleg_:

this is actually for the first time in my life that I see that gentoo has ebuilds only for outdated versions of myth 0.23

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Oleg_:

I mean

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sphery:

package managers are for UPS

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sphery:

or FedEx

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kormoc:

Oleg_: they're dynamic ebuilds, just rename them, run ebuild file digest and they're up to date

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Ubuntu Pansy Suckers?

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Fed(ora)Ex(tremely stupid people) ?

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gbee:

outdated versions of 0.23? How can you have outdated versions of something that hasn't even been released?

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iamlindoro:

by calling ancient trunk .23 :)

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iamlindoro:

versioning fail!

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: meh, it makes as much sense as you can with the ebuild system, they're "pre release" versions

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kormoc:

0.23 pre release #svn rev

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** iamlindoro just works here **

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gbee:

ugh, how many kneecaps do we have to break before packagers stop referring to trunk by a release version number?

[17:23:38]

kormoc:

sadly you sorta need to with the ebuild system

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sphery:

can't even do a 0.23pre or similar

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kormoc:

sphery: that's what we do

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

didn't remember any pre or other identifier in the ebuild name he gave

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kormoc:

sphery: gbee doesn't think that's good enough :)

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kormoc:

sphery: that's cause marcT's are broken and annyoing

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sphery:

0.23doesntexist

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

He was nice enough to stop packaging libmythui-osd

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iamlindoro:

So I give him credit for that

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iamlindoro:

Called being a team player, would love to get some more of that from our packager-devs

[17:27:04]

iamlindoro:

*cough*

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sphery:

but Marc's ebuilds aren't the "official" ones from gentoo

[17:27:07]

sphery:

right?

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kormoc:

sphery: right

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sphery:

but yeah, glad he's not packaging osd branch

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skd5aner:

what release version of myth are they using in the upcoming ubuntu release this month?

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sphery:

great question

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iamlindoro:

some iteration of .23-ixes

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iamlindoro:

fixes

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sphery:

it's a 0.23-fixes version

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skd5aner:

I would imagine that they won't be able to use the final release version of .23 since they're in freeze

[17:28:23]

skd5aner:

kinda of like when they used a pre-.22 version for their last release

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sphery:

would be nice if we were able to release so they release a released version

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iamlindoro:

this pre-.23 is MUCH more stable than their pre-.22

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sphery:

how much wood would a woodchuck chuck...

[17:28:49]

iamlindoro:

in fact, .23 is (IMHO) releaseable

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skd5aner:

so I've noticed ;)

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sphery:

yes, current 0.23-fixes is /much/ better than their pre-0.22, and--IMHO--likely better than current 0.22-fixes

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iamlindoro:

However, was told not to release, and not interested in *always* being the guy getting yelled at by asking why

[17:30:07]

iamlindoro:

I mean, it's fun to be the guy who catches all the ire and stuff, but...

[17:30:16]

sphery:

Jane Ire?

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skd5aner:

release and ask for forgiveness later ;)

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: we need another scapegoat

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Beirdo:

I nominate kormoc

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sphery:

if nothing else, having 2 seperate branches is doing wonders for my commit count :)

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kormoc:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so I noticed, sphery :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc gets in enough trouble, we need to find someone the dictatorship actually likes

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

he just left

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** kormoc laughs **

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Brad-D:

haha

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Brad-D:

so looking forward to getting home from travelling. .23 pre here I come!

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iamlindoro:

Don't really care any more, I'm just about set with all the frustration at this poont

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iamlindoro:

point

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Beirdo:

ah, just sit back, have some scotch and a cigar

[17:33:47]

Beirdo:

it will all be better.... later

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sphery:

Tomorrow! Tomorrow! The sun will come out...

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iamlindoro:

"Don't sue me, I don't have anything to do with this!" + "I retain a veto" E_DOESNOTCOMPUTE

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Beirdo:

yup... I know, iamlindoro. Seems rather ridiculous.

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skd5aner:

ha

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iamlindoro:

Divide by zero error, universe destroyed

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skd5aner:

MythPolitics FTL

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iamlindoro:

printer on fire

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Beirdo:

The program'beer' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:

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Beirdo:

sudo apt-get install gerstensaft

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Beirdo:

?!

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Beirdo:

oook

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skd5aner:

I forgot how much I hate re-scanning/adding digital channels from scratch :P

[17:36:56]

Beirdo:

any germans here? what kind of juice is "gerstensaft"?

[17:37:37]

gbee:

to play the devil's advocate – knowing that most users never update from whatever version they get with their initial distro release (at least on Ubuntu) and the recent surge of tickets resulting from the 0.23RCs, would it not be better for 0.23 to be the best it can be?

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo: a "Saft" is a juice

[17:37:57]

iamlindoro:

orangensaft, etc.

[17:37:58]

Beirdo:

I know

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iamlindoro:

oh sorry, misread

[17:38:18]

Beirdo:

but gerstensaft (the package)... what kinda juice are they making a pun on?

[17:38:36]

iamlindoro:

gbee: We haven't had anything even remotely resembling a blocker in a quite some time, and 90% of the tickets lodged thus far have been invalid

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Beirdo:

I remember a wee bit of German from my trips to Vienna :)

[17:38:53]

Beirdo:

9 years ago now. dang

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gbee:

Beirdo: Barley Juice

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iamlindoro:

gbee: And we can't get any of the devs to fix the tickets that *are* valid that come with simple, obvious, usable patches

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Beirdo:

gbee: hahaha. hence "beer" being a command. OK

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Beirdo:

oh look at that... google concurs :)

[17:40:02]

Beirdo:

google translate is stupid with German

[17:40:18]

Beirdo:

gerstensaft... can't translate. gersten saft... it can

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gbee:

oh, google translates now? /me hides the Google Translate window

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sphery:

but they won't translate to/from Latin

[17:40:50]

Beirdo:

someone needs to teach google about the insanity that is compound words in German :)

[17:40:56]

dewman:

Beirdo, websites are only as smart as the people that create them.... =)

[17:41:02]

gbee:

sphery: it's dead Jim

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

In fact... .23 has six open tickets, and they're part of the same subset that have been there for months, all non-blockers

[17:41:18]

sphery:

funny, though, that I hear a ton of that dead language

[17:42:06]

sphery:

0.20 has 2 open tickets

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gbee:

iamlindoro: not all the recent tickets have been triaged, but I'm not looking to pick a fight, I haven't used a release version for a long time so really why should I care?

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Beirdo:

and if you tell it to translate Gerstensaft (with capital).... beer.

[17:42:48]

Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I only care that we move on with our lives and stay somewhat true to our new release schedule (for which we are five weeks late and .23 is undeniably much more stable than .22)

[17:43:13]

sphery:

if you look at them against reported tickets, we still have to fix 0.20, 0.21, 0.21-fixes, 0.22rc1, ... 0.23rc1... (but there are only 3 0.23rc1 tickets)

[17:44:36]

GlemSom:

MythTV isn't done till it hits version 1.0... And I doubt that will happen anytime soon... There can ALWAYS be bugs, and I don't see why 0.23 should be any different then 0.22 or 0.21 was...

[17:44:39]

gbee:

that release schedule always was unrealistic given that most people were far too busy over the last few months (new children, jobs etc), we're actually on track for the date I suggested :p

[17:44:54]

Beirdo:

it's not done until version 10.0 at least

[17:45:01]

GlemSom:

hehe :)

[17:45:13]

sphery:

gbee: but if we planned for your release schedule, we'd have released at 1yr

[17:45:20]

GlemSom:

That's about year 3120 I guess.. :P hehe

[17:45:42]

sphery:

Beirdo: I thought it was done at version XP

[17:45:50]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:45:55]

sphery:

at least according to most companies I've spoken with

[17:46:04]

Beirdo:

and it's BLEEPED at Vista

[17:46:09]

sphery:

heh

[17:46:20]

sphery:

and meh'ed at 7

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yup

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gbee:

it's taken 15 years for Windows to reach version 7 – MythTV has had 23 versions in 8/9 years, no-one can suggest that we don't release often enough ;)

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sphery:

yeah, and we even had MythTV 0.21-fixes LTS

[17:48:26]

sphery:

(but unlike Ubuntu, we stopped other releases as long as we supported 0.21-fixes :)

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gbee:

if we can re-jig the schedule, keeping the 4 month cycle but aiming for a releases in January/August that gives time to work out bugs in a -fixes branch before the distros do their releases around April/October

[17:55:25]

GreyFoxx:

I've yet to actually see Windows 7 other than some screenshots online. hopefully it's less painful than Vista was

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sphery:

Yeah, now that they've actually had time to build drivers from scratch with the new driver API (i.e. all the time that people were hating Vista), it's pretty good.

[17:58:40]

sphery:

well, for a Windows, that is

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Oleg_:

awesome that 0.23 version supports displaying subs in blu-ray files.

[17:59:38]

sphery:

Of course, I've only seen OEM Win 7 on new computers.

[17:59:44]

Oleg_:

now it's time to buy a right tv tuner/capture card

[18:01:41]

justinh:

whee time to work on the new backend :)

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Oleg_:

the mythtv internal player is a gui frontend for ffmpeg?

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justinh:

people should be boycotting stinking bluray IMHO

[18:05:41]

justinh:

Oleg_: not quite

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justinh:

it's based on ffmpeg, synced periodically

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sphery:

heh, "Maverick Meerkat"

[18:06:32]

sphery:

"light, fast and social"

[18:06:38]

justinh:

I'm upgrading to Ubuntu 'Stupid Moniker'

[18:06:46]

sphery:

yeah

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gbee:

carries fleas

[18:07:10]

justinh:

forgot to mention. BBC Click mentioned Boxee the other day (spit!)

[18:07:26]

justinh:

they were talking about 'social media'

[18:07:44]

justinh:

like Oooo, when you watch a TV show live, comment on it with all your online chums

[18:07:46]

gbee:

justinh: well they've mentioned MythTV more than once, so at least you can't say they aren't balanced

[18:07:47]

justinh:

pfft

[18:08:06]

justinh:

when? I've watched it every week for years & never recall a mention

[18:08:20]

justinh:

not even from somebody writing in

[18:08:40]

gbee:

can't give you a specific date, I did record the repeat and posted something about it here or on a list though

[18:09:13]

justinh:

just imagine, watching teevees with all your mates, but not actually seeing any of them – just living in your little box yabbering away via the teevee

[18:09:51]

justinh:

gbee: was it a while ago? I've not missed many.. just my luck to miss THE one lol

[18:10:01]

gbee:

where "mates" are a bunch of people you've never even met

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gbee:

justinh: at least 18 months ago I'd guess

[18:10:25]

sphery:

justinh: virtually-social media?

[18:10:33]

justinh:

I've been in the habit of meeting a lot of the people I know from 'social' networks

[18:10:39]

justinh:

it's nice

[18:10:58]

Oleg_:

why does the player have a prebuffering problem if I choose the "vdpau high quality" profile? It doesn't have this problem if I choose the "vdpau normal" profile

[18:11:06]

gbee:

and it wasn't an expanded segment, just a mention in passing in a segment on windows media centre

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justinh:

gbee: ahh I might've seen the mention then

[18:11:36]

gbee:

along with that horrid Blue screenshot that everyone uses

[18:11:49]

justinh:

everyone *still* uses

[18:11:58]

justinh:

despite it being gone from the main webpage now

[18:13:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro: nice call on the old-version-garbage-lying-around issue

[18:13:13]

gbee:

Oleg_: because your card isn't fast enough, or lacks the video ram to handle the high quality deinterlacers?

[18:13:27]

Oleg_:

but I am playing 1080p stuff

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Oleg_:

and my card is geforce 9500gt

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justinh:

so you don't need to choose the HQ profile then :)

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sphery:

or you need to give it more RAM

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justinh:

yeah just plug some more ram in :P

[18:18:51]

justinh:

couple of SIMMs should do it

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Oleg_:

sphery: you mean, that card doesn't have enough RAM?

[18:19:10]

justinh:

you never said how much it has, just what it is

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sphery:

Oleg_: I assumed it was integrated video

[18:20:20]

Oleg_:

it has 512 MBs of RAN

[18:20:22]

Oleg_:

RAM

[18:20:35]

Oleg_:

integrated?

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sphery:

on the motherboard

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Oleg_:

it was an m2ts file from a blu-ray

[18:20:52]

sphery:

integrated video card

[18:21:16]

Oleg_:

what do you mean? I installed that card through pci express

[18:21:28]

justinh:

he means INTEGRATED onto the motherboard.

[18:21:30]

sphery:

meaning it's not integrated

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justinh:

as in BUILT IN

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Oleg_:

I don't understand, what is the problem with this card?

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sphery:

but that card is the bottom line spec for the vdpau high-quality profile, meaning it's likely underpowered for some video

[18:22:31]

justinh:

I don't understand what the problem is in using the normal VDPAU profile

[18:22:35]

sphery:

such as the video you found it unable to keep up with

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justinh:

if it works.. just use it

[18:22:51]

sphery:

"but high quality sounds so much better"

[18:23:00]

sphery:

that's why I would /never/ use Slim!

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cipher42:

any idea why i get disconnected about ever 10 mins?

[18:23:30]

justinh:

one area automagical detection could save lives

[18:23:41]

justinh:

cipher42: your IRC client sucks?

[18:23:48]

justinh:

cipher42: your ISP is awful?

[18:24:03]

justinh:

cipher42: you have bugs in your powerlines?

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sphery:

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Oleg_:

justinh: the video I am playing now has problems if I choose the vdpau normal profile

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justinh:

Oleg_: that is NOT what you said

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cipher42:

i get disconnected from home

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Oleg_:

but I noticed this problem just now

[18:24:54]

cipher42:

front end is connected right to my backend machine on local network

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justinh:

cipher42: what do you mean?

[18:25:39]

justinh:

cipher42: when you say YOU get disconnected what do you mean?

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cipher42:

my router runs my backend

[18:25:48]

cipher42:

the frontend

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cipher42:

gets dropped

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justinh:

explain, and folks might stand a chance of helping you

[18:26:06]

dougt_:

if I remove channels from schedule direct, and then run `mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates`, should the channels I removed from the lineup no longer be shown in the channel guide? (I am running the tip from a few days ago)

[18:26:13]

cipher42:

says 0 bytes left to ready

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cipher42:

*read

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cipher42:

in the readBytes() function

[18:26:32]

cipher42:

that's where it drops me

[18:26:39]

justinh:

cipher42: 1. you'll be lucky to get mythbackend to run on a router

[18:26:49]

justinh:

2. if you're also trying to run mysql on there.. WHOOPS

[18:26:51]

cipher42:

it's a linux machine

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justinh:

aahhhh so it's a *computer* not a router

[18:27:08]

cipher42:

both

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skd5aner:

weird... TWC is sending about 30 more stations clearqam now after the lineup change last night, but they're all just standard digital (non-HD) stations

[18:27:19]

cipher42:

a computer that serves as my router

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justinh:

you mean computer which acts as router. SHEESH

[18:27:27]

cipher42:

sory

[18:27:29]

justinh:

cipher42: see what I mean about *explaining*

[18:27:37]

justinh:

****SWEAR****

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cipher42:

ok ok i'm an idiot, worry

[18:27:43]

cipher42:

*sorry

[18:27:47]

justinh:

teah

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justinh:

I'n worry yoo

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cipher42:

damn, tough crowd today

[18:28:13]

dougt_:

wagnerrp: should the python bindings be packaged in the debs?

[18:28:30]

dougt_:

cipher42: nothing but love from me!

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dougt_:

saying "SHEESH." should get you autokicked. :-)

[18:29:23]

dougt_:

justinh: ^

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cipher42:

hahah

[18:29:36]

justinh:

look guys, if you seriously want help, you should sit down & think about what you're gonna say

[18:30:02]

justinh:

coming here & basically yelling "relp! It no worky!" is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard

[18:30:03]

** Beirdo hands justinh a pint. You'll need it **

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dougt_:

justinh: that sounds yummy.

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cipher42:

i went through and found exactly where in the code it crashes

[18:30:35]

justinh:

nobody expects anybody to be an expert in anything

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justinh:

cipher42: log output is generally considered more helpful

[18:30:51]

cipher42:

yea sorry, trying to find it

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cipher42:

one sec

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sphery:

cipher42: frontend is crashing?

[18:31:01]

cipher42:

right

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cipher42:

after about 10 mins for no apparent reason

[18:31:09]

sphery:

if so, the backtrace would be useful

[18:31:18]

sphery:

I have a feeling you have a mix of old/new libs

[18:31:21]

justinh:

running monit or some other invasive port connecting troll-thing?

[18:31:41]

cipher42:

no

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cipher42:

no firewall either

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sphery:

cipher42: and what version of Myth?

[18:31:49]

cipher42:

.22?

[18:31:56]

justinh:

see, this is pertinent info now :)

[18:31:57]

cipher42:

does that sound right?

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Beirdo:

woohoo. let's own cipher42's machine

[18:32:01]

cipher42:

thanks for the help

[18:32:15]

Beirdo:

anyways, it's packing time for me

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sphery:

cipher42: what SVN revision (mythbackend --version )

[18:32:29]

justinh:

I dunno, you said router, I just thought "oh god, somebody finally gone & done it"

[18:33:09]

cipher42:

hahah

[18:33:15]

cipher42:

can't do mythtv-backend --version

[18:33:19]

justinh:

people apparently have

[18:33:27]

justinh:

cipher42: mythbackend --version

[18:33:32]

cipher42:

i apt-get installed it from ubuntu

[18:33:38]

justinh:

mythbackend --version

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sphery:

mythbackend.real --version , perhaps?

[18:33:54]

justinh:

oh wait are they still ... grr

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sphery:

I don't know

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sphery:

just guessing

[18:34:33]

justinh:

to think I accepted that wrapping up of stuff with open arms at first

[18:34:52]

cipher42:

branches/release-0-22-fixes (22594)

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cipher42:

that's the frontend

[18:35:27]

Oleg_:

what does it mean:

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justinh:

I can see the whole night is gonna be whiled away waiting for lucid to unpack

[18:35:35]

wagnerrp:

dougt_: no idea

[18:35:36]

Oleg_:

Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

[18:35:37]

Oleg_:

?

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dougt_:

answered my own questions about deleted questions (http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . 110395.html) for reference.

[18:35:43]

sphery:

cipher42: that's the pre-release version of 0.22 that Ubuntu packages by default.

[18:35:49]

dougt_:

wagnerrp: who owns the packaging?

[18:35:51]

sphery:

cipher42: meaning it's old and there have been many bugs fixed

[18:35:52]

wagnerrp:

its perfectly fine if they shove those in a external package

[18:35:59]

wagnerrp:

debian does

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dougt_:

given that the binding is now required by plugins, it probably should be packaged by core.

[18:36:09]

stevieman:

Is anyone using hulu-desktop with myth in Canada?

[18:36:18]

sphery:

cipher42: I recommend at minimum upgrading to 0.22-fixes current, or--better--just upgrade to 0.23-fixes, which is likely much better/more stable than 0.22-fixes

[18:36:30]

Beirdo:

stevieman... off-topic.

[18:36:35]

cipher42:

ok looks like they have an update

[18:36:37]

justinh:

yeh flash video is yet another thing everybody should boycott

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Beirdo:

AFAIK, you need to be in the USA for hulu, nop?

[18:36:50]

sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i believe so, yes

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cipher42:

that's new

[18:36:53]

stevieman:

yeah

[18:37:03]

Beirdo:

stevieman: then please keep clear of it :)

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: hmm. is there a separate deb for the bindings? I just did a checkinstall... then I copy over that deb to a front-end.

[18:37:09]

cipher42:

lemme give it a shot

[18:37:15]

stevieman:

cool

[18:37:17]

wagnerrp:

i have no idea, i dont use debian, or any debian-like system

[18:37:24]

stevieman:

just thought I'd check

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Beirdo:

anyways, I need to pack... TTYL... this evening

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: okay. ooc, what do you use when copying stuff to a frontend?

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cipher42:

take about 10 min to see if it crashes

[18:37:37]

sphery:

cipher42: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[18:37:48]

sphery:

cipher42: and 0.23-fixes is likely better than 0.22 fixes

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wagnerrp:

copying stuff to a frontend?

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: i have a dedicated backend that I use also to build myth. I also have a separate front end machine. In such a configuration, how do you copy the bits you built on the backend to the separate frontend.

[18:39:27]

dougt_:

i figured deb was the easiest.

[18:39:36]

dougt_:

(since it is produced by checkinstall)

[18:40:02]

wagnerrp:

i clone the system image to all of my installs

[18:40:36]

dougt_:

interesting.

[18:40:49]

clever`:

dougt_: in my case, i --prefix= /media/mainlv/root/8.04/

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clever`:

and then i share that via nfs to every frontend

[18:40:57]

dougt_:

do you have any notes on what you do? (eg, it sounds like the image is the entire os)

[18:41:07]

wagnerrp:

dougt_: i have a single base image for the entire install

[18:41:08]

justinh:

man, can ubuntu please NOT come with frigging openoffice just for ONCE?

[18:41:13]

wagnerrp:

i perform updates on that single image

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: such a better idea.

[18:41:32]

wagnerrp:

then clone it out to however many frontends i have

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wagnerrp:

and apply a small overlay for each

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dougt_:

wagnerrp: is that a boot image. eg. similar to what mike does (http://www.isely.net/mythtv_setup.html)

[18:41:48]

wagnerrp:

(hostname, any special services that need to be run)

[18:42:03]

wagnerrp:

its a full system image

[18:42:11]

wagnerrp:

a 5GB disk image

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clever`:

sounds somewhat like what ive done with my nfs root setup

[18:42:17]

wagnerrp:

4GB storage, 1GB swap

[18:42:31]

wagnerrp:

shared over iscsi

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clever`:

all the network booting systems share the root image (not actualy copies)

[18:42:38]

wagnerrp:

and mounted in a custom initrd

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clever`:

ah

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clever`:

so it is more like my nfsroot setup, with them actualy sharing the real image

[18:43:11]

dougt_:

wagnerrp: very cool.

[18:43:17]

justinh:

well, that dist-upgrade has royally screwed the box

[18:43:18]

justinh:

heh

[18:43:26]

clever`:

justinh: just like the last 3 did to mine

[18:43:46]

wagnerrp:

dougt_: the reason i do that is so i can track an unstable trunk

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clever`:

its working, stop screwing with it, is what i'm thinking now

[18:43:55]

wagnerrp:

i have a script that cycles the images whenever i rebuild a new one

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wagnerrp:

and if something goes bad with a new rebuild

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wagnerrp:

i reboot, and 60 seconds later, im right back in the old install

[18:44:22]

clever`:

i can do the same thing with my --prefix hack

[18:44:29]

dougt_:

wagnerrp: right. i want to be on trunk too. right now, i have a script which scp's stuff form the backend and reinstalls stuff.

[18:44:33]

clever`:

just rename the entire /media/mainlv/root/8.04/ to a backup name

[18:44:38]

justinh:

clever`: just thought well, new box new distro. to hell with it I might just download mandriva

[18:44:40]

clever`:

and reinstall the new trunk to an empty dir

[18:44:52]

clever`:

justinh: ah

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wagnerrp:

since the backing store is a COW file system, there is very little disk overhead to store all those extra images

[18:45:32]

clever:

wagnerrp: ive yet to get unionfs to work right, so i dont have cow, i have full 100% sharing

[18:45:35]

justinh:

man that new box is noisy. I really should buy that fan controller tomorrow

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clever:

so i have to be carefull with any changes i do since they effect every system

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justinh:

I still have to see if my frontend will play nice with 0.23

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justinh:

oh. 1.2MB/sec? wahhh I want the ISO now

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beata_:

anyone run a diskless fe? any problems? I am thinking about switching from a combined fe/be to seperate fe/be setup.

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wagnerrp:

at least two of us in here

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wagnerrp:

but i doubt either of us are running something you would want to try to duplicate on your first try

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beata_:

was just curious for oppions Main goal is to hide all the recording hardware in a closet.

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justinh:

no problems running a diskless frontend if you've got enough ram to nevah evah need swap

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mag0o:

26gb

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cipher42:

i don't have swap, mayne that's the problem?

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cipher42:

still getting the "readStringList: Connection died (select)." from the frontend then drops me.

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devinheitmueller:

cipher42: have you actually put wireshark between the two nodes so you can see the traffic and identify whether the backend is really closing the connection?

[19:01:32]

highzeth:

justinh: enough ram and pref a Gbit network imo =)

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devinheitmueller:

That at least will give you a definitive answer as to whether it's a local problem or if the connection is actually being closed.

[19:02:00]

kormoc:

connection died indicates a network issue

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kormoc:

it would say connection closed if the BE closed it

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devinheitmueller:

kormoc: yeah, but he would be able to definitively know whether it's a networking problem or whether he should be debugging the code on the backend.

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justinh:

highzeth: gigabit won't actually make that much difference

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highzeth:

it will if you have a nfs shared overlay

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justinh:

pfft

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highzeth:

dont trust me, try it yourself, I did

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Wicked:

j-rod, hey man got a question for ya if your around. ive been looking around on google about mythtv + fios...and i came across a few threads you replied to.....i also live in the boston area(like 40 mins south) and fios is now in my area...im wondering if your still getting all those channels off firewire and all that goodness?

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j-rod:

Wicked: haven't checked on firewire in a while, box is next to an ion w/o firewire atm

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skd5aner:

Hey, I've got 662 rows in my channels table, and several hundred of them have an icon associate with them. Is there an easy way to write some SQL to take the icon and callsign from a backup of my channel table...

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skd5aner:

... then, populate the new channel table with the paths to the icons?

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Wicked:

j-rod, ah. ok cool. how are you capturing off the verizon stb? hdpvr?

[19:19:49]

j-rod:

at the moment, I'm not

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sphery:

skd5aner: no... it's on my TODO list to do it, though

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j-rod:

though I finally hooked my hdpvr back up last night

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sphery:

(I'm 20% complete on that patch)

[19:20:10]

skd5aner:

sphery: lol – alright, good to know :)

[19:20:26]

skd5aner:

sphery: so, I'm assuming you've ran into this pain in the *** before ;)

[19:20:27]

Wicked:

j-rod, ah ok....from one of the threads i read..you where getting quite a few channels via firewire...i hope its still like that hehwe

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sphery:

skd5aner: you could manually do it if something about the old/new channels matches up nicely but should be careful

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Wicked:

i hopefully will get fios in the next couple months.

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skd5aner:

sphery: outside of you coming up with some built-in and/or contrib solution, is there a SQLfu path I could take?

[19:21:26]

sphery:

skd5aner: Not for me--I only have OTA, so not many channels. Just fixing stuff up for others

[19:21:40]

sphery:

it will be part of the restore script

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sphery:

04.06 15:20:55 <+sphery> skd5aner: you could manually do it if something about the old/new channels matches up nicely but should be careful

[19:22:14]

sphery:

you'd need to restore the old table to a new differently-named temp table, then match things up

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skd5aner:

hmmmm, so – basically I know my rows themselves won't line up, but how do I, in an automated fashion make a comparison per row on the old table to the new for the icons?

[19:23:36]

j-rod:

Wicked: yeah, used to get quite a few, its on my TODO list to see what's what again RSN

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kormoc:

skd5aner: if you can't figure it out then you can't do it in SQL

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sphery:

skd5aner: that's the challenge of the patch I'm working on

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j-rod:

probably replacing my ion frontend with something uatx in a silverstone case that works better for the new av thingy we just got

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sphery:

skd5aner: but basically, there are many things you can look at to try to find matches... callsign, channel number, name/description, ...

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skd5aner:

kormoc, sphery: np, I know enough SQL to be dangerous, just looking for advice from those who dabble in it way more than I

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skd5aner:

I mean, I obviously could do it row by row, very easily...

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sphery:

the sql isn't the big challenge--it's finding out what in the old channels matches nicely with something in the new channels, and verifying that match is universal or being able to constrain replacements appropripately

[19:26:08]

sphery:

IMHO, the row-by-row is likely the best approach...

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sphery:

SELECT chanid, channum, callsign, icon FROM channel;

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cipher42:

i'm almost positive it's a network problem because it happens on multiple machines at my house

[19:27:15]

cipher42:

can you tell the frontend how much memory to use?

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sphery:

do the same for the old channel table (imported into a temp DB), then use a spreadsheet to match things up

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kormoc:

cipher42: no

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gbee:

well you can adjust the size of the image cache

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Oleg_:

I don't understand something. If I use the video card hardware decoder, why is there a need for different vdpau profiles?

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skd5aner:

sphery: ugh... SELECT * FROM `channel` WHERE ICON != "" – 372 rows :(

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Oleg_:

I mean, if it's hardware decoding, it's hardware decoding

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gbee:

defaults to 20MB

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sphery:

Oleg_: because different cards have different capabilities (RAM, GPU performance, ...)

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Wicked:

ah nice j-rod. if you get around to it and remember...id love to know what channels your still getting :)

[19:28:41]

gbee:

I don't have the setting name handy and you'd need to override it at the command line or manually edit the database

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Oleg_:

sphery: I thought every vdpau-capable card had no problems with decoding h264 or vc1

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sphery:

Oleg_: VDPAU is really more like software decoding than true hardware decoding... It's just decoding through software on different hardware from usual (the CPU)

[19:29:18]

kormoc:

Oleg_: only revision b and c hardware

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, VDPAU is hardware decoding

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he's right

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sphery:

Oleg_: not to mention the differences in the applied filters/deinterlacint/...

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sphery:

in truth, hardware = software that's hard to change

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wagnerrp:

aside from the VC1 entropy compressor in the older cards, its all in a dedicated processor

[19:30:24]

sphery:

but still, there's a /lot/ of "soft" in the decoding/filtering done by VDPAU (some of it "software" in the shaders, etc)

[19:30:57]

gbee:

but deinterlacing etc is handled by the GPU and depends heavily on clock speed/video ram

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Oleg_:

kormoc: my 9500gt card is not revision b or c hardware?

[19:31:31]

kormoc:

Oleg_: you'd have to look it up

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gbee:

and in the case of IGPs, bus speed which may be affected by frequency scaling

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and when I say "decoding", I'm talking about the user-visible side of "decoding" (i.e. turning the compressed video into something displayed on screen)

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cipher42:

where can you change the image cache size?

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Oleg_:

but mplayer doesn't offer different vdpau profiles

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Oleg_:

you simply type "-vc ffh264vdpau" or "-vc ffvc1vdpau"

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Oleg_:

with mplayer

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kormoc:

Oleg_: so the lack of features means they don't exist?

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Oleg_:

I mean, it's news to me that even vdpau-capable cards can have problems with decoding h264 or vc1

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kormoc:

Oleg_: just because some software don't allow you to use/change features doesn't mean they all have to follow suite

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justinh:

whee reinstall!

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kormoc:

Oleg_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo . . . Feature_Sets

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sphery:

kormoc: maybe he's just solved our settings-bloat problem!

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kormoc:

sphery: ahh! We should always remember to talk to the experts before coding things in the future

[19:36:58]

justinh:

if mythtv was all a perl script we'd have none of this

[19:37:00]

sphery:

"if you delete it, it doesn't exist!"

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j-rod:

wewt. mythfrontend on a box at the office streaming video from my backend at home.

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Perdignus:

Hi – I'm having trouble with mythweb streaming and it looks like mythweb can't login to mythconverge, I have it set in mythweb.conf but it's still not working, can someone stear me in the right direction plesae?

[19:37:36]

j-rod:

wasn't someone on the list going on about this?...

[19:37:52]

justinh:

j-rod: yup

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sphery:

Perdignus: did you misspell mythconverg in the configuration, too?

[19:38:10]

** j-rod streaming cska moscow vs. inter milan... **

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justinh:

but not streaming. more like putting NFS over WAN

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Perdignus:

sphery: lol, no, dag-nammit E, can't help myself when I'm typing

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justinh:

funny. using an OS which is as unforgiving of typos as any, and yet..

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Oleg_:

anyway, here's the problem I have: mplayer doesn't have a problem with playing a vc1 video with vdpau enabled, but the internal player of mythtv plays it with problems

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sphery:

Oleg_: did you try vdpau slim?

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sphery:

probably far more like the mplayer version

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j-rod:

about 7Mbps streaming over an openvpn tunnel, perfectly watchable here at the office

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justinh:

j-rod: don't encourage em ;-)

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Wicked:

j-rod, what fios inet plan do you have?

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j-rod:

I've got a business package

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Wicked:

ah

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j-rod:

5 static IP, 25Mbps syncrhonous

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Wicked:

nice. im looking at the 25/25 plan myself

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Oleg_:

I think a 9500gt card supports only the vdpau feature set A

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cipher42:

j-rod: same setup here mang

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cipher42:

rox

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cipher42:

seems to not be crashing now after update are restart too

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cipher42:

thank the gods

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kormoc:

Oleg_: which means you only have partial VC-1 support on that card

[19:44:37]

Oleg_:

damn

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV#HDTV_support -> "There are also patches for MythTV that allow it to decode encrypted DVB-S/S2 broadcasts." Needs removal, rather than citation, right?

[19:44:59]

kormoc:

sphery: yes

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Oleg_:

it sucks that I lack knowledge about certain things

[19:45:11]

Oleg_:

otherwise, I would have bought a different video card

[19:45:40]

Oleg_:

Lack of knowledge about things can really be frustrating

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kormoc:

especially when it's widely documented

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cipher42:

damn as soon as i brag about it, CRASH!

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Oleg_:

how do restore my mythtv setup to default values?

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Perdignus:

I see mythweb can't login via the apache2 log but the result is "200, Stream not found, NetStream.Play.StreamNotFound"

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Oleg_:

deleting ~/.mythtv folder doesn't help

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** sphery wonders if he should take the [citation needed] out or if it applies equally to the "In the UK, on platforms such as [[Freesat]], HD content is transmitted unencrypted, so users can watch and record HD transmissions without relying on a decryptor." **

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kormoc:

sphery: could just remove "without relying on a decryptor?

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Oleg_:

where does mythtv store user-configured settings? as far as I can tell, it doesn't store them in ~/.mythtv

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kormoc:

%s/\?/"?/

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sphery:

any hardware cam users (or people who understand the concept) here?

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** j-rod tries an hdtv recording... **

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sphery:

kormoc: good idea

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kormoc:

Oleg_: the database

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Oleg_:

oh

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j-rod:

a touch glitchy, pauses every few seconds

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j-rod:

plenty of bandwidth to spare, might be encryption overhead

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Oleg_:

well, how can I reset the mythtv database to default values?

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cipher42:

might be in /etc/mythtv/config.xml

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kormoc:

Oleg_: dropping it and starting over?

[19:51:37]

Oleg_:

well, I simply wanna reset everything to default values

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kormoc:

Oleg_: we don't have a way to do that

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j-rod:

no, not cpu-bound. guess it could be bandwidth.

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kormoc:

other then starting over from scratch

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Oleg_:

oh my God, look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_9_Series#GeForce_9500_GT

[19:53:38]

Oleg_:

now I know that my card sucks

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wagnerrp:

why?

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kormoc:

I doubt your god is in here to look at that

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wagnerrp:

its plenty good for video playback, what more do you need?

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kormoc:

he wants full VC-1

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wagnerrp:

he gets full VC-1 (with driver assist)

[19:55:00]

wagnerrp:

its not missing the hard part of VC-1 decoding

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: no he doesn't, it's a A feature set card, it's partial

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sphery:

Should http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Television#Sky be cleaned up?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: yes, but somewhere in the 185 line, the entropy decompressor was added into the drivers

[19:55:43]

wagnerrp:

all VDPAU capable cards can do VC-1 decoding

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sphery:

any UK'ers want to do it (as it's talking about unofficial cards that do decryption)

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wagnerrp:

it may not be done by the VPU in the hardware

[19:56:25]

wagnerrp:

but its still done transparently to applications doing playback with VDPAU

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sphery:

ivtv is part of V4L2, now, right?

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: but a cpu wouldn't be involved if I used that card for h264 decoding; however, a cpu would be involved in a decoding process if I used that card for decoding vc1, is it correct?

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j-rod:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

j-rod: thks

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: i dont know, the driver handles it

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if it does it on the CPU, or in the shader hardware

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Oleg_:

I am confused

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edomeda:

good day all, been reading up on mythtv for a couple days, did a bunch of research... finally ordered all my BE and FE hardware. Wanted to know if you guys had any other tips for my FE (eeebox EB1012 Atom 330/Ion graphics) for smooth HD playback. Will be using a HVR-2200 with DVB (NZ Freeview) channels.

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wagnerrp:

either way, any machine with a discrete 9500GT probably has sufficient CPU that you wouldnt need to worry about having enough power

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wagnerrp:

especially considering the 9500 is only available in PCIe form

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cipher42:

is ur backend connected to a cable or satelite box?

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Oleg_:

I am having a problem even after choosing the vdpau slim profile

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cipher42:

oleg: when i turned down extra audio processing it helped me a lot

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kormoc:

turn off your deinterlacers

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Oleg_:

how?

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Oleg_:

and why would it matter if I play a 1080p video?

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justinh:

whee building 0.23-rc2.. think it's rc2

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dustybin:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7806/mythtv.png

[20:13:34]

Oleg_:

anyway, I don't know what the problem is. the bottom line is that mplayer can play the vc1 video with no problems, but the mythtv player plays it with problems

[20:13:52]

justinh:

dustybin: I doubt you'll have figured it out by then

[20:14:04]

dustybin:

:P

[20:14:09]

cipher42:

what is this "MainServer::ANN Monitor"

[20:14:33]

wagnerrp:

something is connecting to the backend as a 'Monitor'

[20:14:43]

wagnerrp:

meaning the backend is allowed to drop the connection and shutdown, if the idle shutdown rules are active

[20:15:25]

cipher42:

that's when iget my disconnect

[20:17:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I thought you were still running 0.18 ... ;-)

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cipher42:

what is ANN Playback then?

[20:20:00]

cipher42:

guess it's not allowed to drop and shutdown?

[20:20:13]

wagnerrp:

correct

[20:20:33]

wagnerrp:

'Monitor' is used for sending commands or getting information

[20:20:43]

cipher42:

it's like after 15 min, almost exactly, i get the ann monitor message on the backend and frontend gets dc'd

[20:20:44]

wagnerrp:

'Playback' denotes youre a frontend actively playing something

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cipher42:

i bet i get the monitor message because the frontend is trying to reconnect...

[20:24:40]

wagnerrp:

as far as i know, the frontend always uses Playback

[20:24:40]

wagnerrp:

which is why you have to drop out of the frontend (and into mythwelcome) to allow the backend to automatically shutdown

[20:24:43]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: I have no real reason to update other than putting a new backend together

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I'm just razzin' ya... Heck, I'm running 0.22 on my backend, but on Fedora 8. ;-)

[20:28:26]

Oleg_:

what's the difference between 64-bit, 128-bit, or 256-bit nvidia cards?

[20:28:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

the bits.

[20:28:39]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: memory bandwidth

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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cipher42:

memory page size right?

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cipher42:

just like regular cpus

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Oleg_:

wagnerpp: meaning if a card doesn't have enough memory bandwidth, it could have problems decoding vc1 or h264 even if it supports the vdpau feature set C?

[20:31:14]

wagnerrp:

bus width

[20:31:28]

Oleg_:

I don't get it

[20:31:45]

Oleg_:

Look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134085

[20:31:58]

wagnerrp:

meaning it doesnt matter

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cipher42:

it's just how many bits the memory address is

[20:33:07]

cipher42:

wow that's a good price

[20:34:06]

wagnerrp:

youre talking about memory bandwidth on the order of several hundred MB/s required for video deocding

[20:34:23]

wagnerrp:

any modern graphics card is going to be in the tens of GB/s

[20:34:32]

wagnerrp:

its got nothing to do with memory addressing

[20:34:40]

wagnerrp:

it is that physical width of the memory bus

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cipher42:

uh, yes, that number is how many bits a memory address is

[20:35:59]

wagnerrp:

no, its the width of the memory bus

[20:36:07]

cipher42:

it's the same thing

[20:36:13]

wagnerrp:

no, its not

[20:36:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

heh... re: the 1st review of that card "pic looks like it will only fill one slot but it hangs over the next slot" – evidentially he didn't look at the 'back' image that clearly shows it over about 1/4"...

[20:36:43]

wagnerrp:

data bus width, and memory address, have absolutely nothing to do with each other

[20:36:45]

sphery:

gbee: this one's for you -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV (note screenshot)

[20:37:36]

cipher42:

well if you talk about a 64 bit processor, it's the length of memory address

[20:37:39]

wagnerrp:

the address size, is the physical address of the memory bit

[20:37:56]

wagnerrp:

a 32-bit processor can address up to 4GB of memory

[20:38:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

no, it's the 'width' of the memory bus.

[20:38:09]

wagnerrp:

a 64-bit processor can address <whatever> amount of memory

[20:38:24]

wagnerrp:

the memory bus width is how much data is transferred in one cycle

[20:38:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

^ yeah.

[20:38:33]

cipher42:

yea, the page size

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wagnerrp:

no

[20:38:44]

wagnerrp:

no no no no no no

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** dustybin is impressed by wagnerrp knowledge **

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high-rez:

that's not exactly right. AMD64 can do 64 bit integer math in a single cycle, but can only address upto 48bits of memory at once no?

[20:39:17]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp: so confused... for what purposes would I need a 128-bit nvidia card, instead of a 64-bit nvidia card?

[20:39:28]

wagnerrp:

memory bandwidth

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cipher42:

no it'd doesn't matter

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: technically yes, but i believe it can still handle a full 64-bit virtual memory space

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TheAsp:

high-rez: 48bits is a crap ton of bits

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high-rez:

Like PAE on 32 bit procs? :0

[20:40:17]

wagnerrp:

but the memory controller itself, only allows up to 48-bits of physical memory

[20:40:34]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: for the same memory frequency, a 128-bit card will have twice the memory as a 64-bit card

[20:40:55]

wagnerrp:

erm... twice the memory bandwidth

[20:40:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Think of it this way — a 2-lane highway can handle half as much traffic as a 4-lane highway, right? Same thing – a 32 bit bus can transfer half as much data in one clock cycle as 64-bit bus, and so on...

[20:40:59]

skd5aner:

after deleting video sources, then readding them due to a complete schedule reshuffle, why would some of my recordings say they were recorded on the correct channel after the shift, but some say the wrong channel?

[20:41:08]

high-rez:

Jeff

[20:41:13]

high-rez:

dot . dot

[20:41:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ exactly. ;-) just worded a little differently.

[20:41:22]

Oleg_:

wagnerpp: so, it matters whether I have a 128-bit or 64-bit card for vdpau profiles (slim, normal, or high quality)?

[20:41:35]

skd5aner:

for example, some recordings that had recorded on 220, now say they were recorded on the correct new channel # (and callsign) – 1120

[20:41:40]

cipher42:

64 should be plenty for vdpau

[20:41:52]

skd5aner:

However – other's have both the new channel number and callsign incorrect

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: can you actually buy an nvidia card with only a 64-bit memory bus?

[20:42:40]

Oleg_:

ok, a memory bandwidth means how fast you can process memory cycles?

[20:42:50]

cipher42:

my frontend crashes after 15 min exactly...

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wagnerrp:

what? no

[20:43:08]

wagnerrp:

memory clockrate * memory bus width = memory bandwidth

[20:43:09]

TheAsp:

high-rez: 48bits can address 16384 PiB

[20:43:16]

high-rez:

oleg: transfer rate. how many bits per second you can move.

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cipher42:

so how does a page size relate to that equation?

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high-rez:

TheAsp: That's true – but the point I was trying to make was that a "64 bit processor" doesn't always address 64 bits of memory.

[20:44:06]

TheAsp:

high-rez: well duh ;)

[20:45:00]

high-rez:

Hence, why, if uyou look at what I said, it was in response to a comment that was made that sounded like a 64bit integer processor was the same as having a 64 bit memory address. Context.

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skd5aner:

OK – Well, it's obviously because the ChanID's don't match. How is ChanID determined?

[20:45:56]

sphery:

gbee: and now all pages on wikipedia ref'ing MythTV have updated screenshots

[20:46:04]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: it seems the lowest card you can buy is a 9300

[20:46:12]

justinh:

chanid is just an autogenerated value IIRC

[20:46:25]

wagnerrp:

and with a 64-bit bus, and 800MHz effective clock rate, it has 6.4GB/s of memory bandwidth

[20:46:40]

wagnerrp:

plenty for anything VDPAU needs

[20:47:02]

cipher42:

what kind of memory bandwidth's do modern amd processor's have?

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cipher42:

don't they have on chip memory controller rather than a bus?

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[20:47:28]

justinh:

wth? playbackbox.o: file not recognized: File truncated

[20:47:46]

wagnerrp:

cipher42: DDR(1/2/3) is a 64-bit bus, per channel

[20:47:47]

skd5aner:

justinh: so, if recordedprograms referenced a chanid, and you delete the video sources and reimport them, how come some of them chanids are the same (Even after the channel num has shifted) yet some changed?

[20:47:54]

gbee:

sphery: heh, thanks

[20:47:59]

justinh:

skd5aner: I dunno

[20:48:01]

wagnerrp:

so most processors will have a 128-bit bus, while i7s have a 192-bit bus

[20:48:14]

Oleg_:

wagnerpp: you mean, for my needs(which is the the vdpau thing), a 210 card wouldn't be good enough, but a 9300 card would be good enough?

[20:48:15]

skd5aner:

justinh: hmmmm

[20:48:27]

markl_:

is mythtv able to read HD-DVD and/or Blu Ray images and display the menus?

[20:48:46]

wagnerrp:

markl_: no

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markl_:

i'm not sure what started this nvidia discussion, but i have a 210 and it rocks

[20:48:54]

cipher42:

you have to decrypt the dvd

[20:49:00]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: a 210 is far more capable than a 9300

[20:49:04]

Oleg_:

oh

[20:49:06]

Oleg_:

ok

[20:49:11]

wagnerrp:

however both will have to be run with VDPAU Normal

[20:49:12]

markl_:

it is decrypted

[20:49:19]

skd5aner:

sphery: hate to bug you specifically, but I know you might have some knowledge in this area and I was following your advice from the mailing list on how to update my video sources, any thoughts on why chanids sometimes match up but not always?

[20:49:26]

wagnerrp:

markl_: and you have to extract the video file from the disk

[20:49:30]

markl_:

but mythtv browses through the directory structure instead of showing a menu

[20:49:42]

wagnerrp:

there are no open source libraries for handling BR or HDDVD disk structure

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markl_:

ok

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sphery:

skd5aner: it's a long story, but it has to do with how much info is in the stream

[20:50:12]

Oleg_:

wagnerpp: what card would be fine with the vdpau high quality profile?

[20:50:15]

sphery:

skd5aner: I plan to "fix" it later, but it's not a simple fix

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skd5aner:

sphery: which "stream"?

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: 8600gt, 9500gt, or gt220

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sphery:

the video stream from which the channel info is pulled

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Oleg_:

I am totally confused

[20:50:49]

sphery:

in the case of analog, they will always match up if the video source ID matches

[20:51:09]

Oleg_:

My card is 9500gt, yet I haVe problems if I choose the vdpau high quality profile

[20:51:10]

sphery:

(and assuming your digital channels didn't overstep their bounds, but that's a whole other conversation)

[20:51:23]

skd5aner:

sphery: Well, for example – I have a video source for my HD-PVR, which obviously just uses the SD data directly (no scan or anything)

[20:51:23]

Oleg_:

and with vc1, it has problems with any vdpau profile

[20:51:23]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: i dont know what to tell you, other people run that card and that profile just fine

[20:51:51]

wagnerrp:

both of my frontends have full hardware vc1 support

[20:51:59]

wagnerrp:

so i have no experience with the offloading on the older chips

[20:52:13]

skd5aner:

sphery: but recordings that were recorded on FXHD prior to the update are now being referenced as USA

[20:52:35]

cipher42:

are you saying a 64 bit cpu doesn't use 64 bit pages?

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** iamlindoro sets +q on *!*@* **

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skd5aner:

sphery: because the old chanid "3267" was FXHD, but now for that source it gave USA "3267" – no video stream inolved?

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: what is your video card?

[20:53:17]

justinh:

okay, I had a hdd power down unexpectedly (damn cheap sata power adapter) & the compile was interrupted.. make distclean isn't fixing this playbackbox.o: file not recognized: File truncated

[20:53:24]

wagnerrp:

8400 and onboard 8200

[20:53:50]

justinh:

is my only recourse to delete the checkout dir & start again fresh, or can I just find & delete all the object files?

[20:54:45]

Oleg_:

wagnerpp: but 8400 doesn't support vdpau

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cipher42:

8400gs does

[20:55:20]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: since when?

[20:55:26]

cipher42:

i'm using it as we speak

[20:55:34]

kormoc:

justinh: make clean

[20:55:39]

sphery:

skd5aner: for analog, if they don't match up, it means your cable co remapped channels

[20:55:53]

kormoc:

justinh: if that doesn't work, just wipe the .o files, aye

[20:56:02]

skd5aner:

sphery: channel # wise?

[20:56:13]

sphery:

yeah

[20:56:33]

sphery:

at least from a SD standpoint

[20:56:34]

skd5aner:

sphery: oh yea, that's reason I needed to do all this in the first place

[20:56:42]

sphery:

then that's the problem

[20:56:47]

sphery:

and MythTV currently can't remap those

[20:56:49]

nutron:

I just found an 8400gs with an svideo/dvi(hdmi adapter) card ... fanless.. I can't seem to find anything more powerful. :/

[20:56:52]

sphery:

it's part of the patch I'm working on

[20:56:55]

skd5aner:

sphery: sigh :(

[20:57:10]

skd5aner:

sphery: haha – Can I pay you to fix it in the next hour? lol

[20:57:25]

justinh:

kormoc: cheers :)

[20:57:43]

skd5aner:

sphery: j/k, at least it's on your radar – a lot of my recording rules are hosed and everything :(

[20:57:47]

kormoc:

skd5aner: his rates are a reasonable 1.6 billion a hour... might want to get a loan ;)

[20:58:11]

nutron:

I'd rather rent a prostitute

[20:58:13]

nutron:

:P

[20:58:19]

sphery:

it won't be here for 0.23

[20:58:25]

sphery:

weird... my network just locked up

[20:58:27]

Oleg_:

<wagnerrp

[20:58:34]

markl_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

[20:58:45]

sphery:

for (exactly?) 60 seconds

[20:58:47]

skd5aner:

kormoc: I'm assuming that'sin Zimbabwe dollars? ;) http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/13/news/internat . . . ne/index.htm

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[20:59:00]

cipher42:

can i have a prostitute too?

[20:59:02]

justinh:

bah. still the same error

[20:59:14]

markl_:

how does temporal spatial compare to bob?

[20:59:19]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp: explain to me something please. a 9500gt is an older card than a 210 card, so why would 9500gt be fine with the vdpau high quality profile, unlike a 210 card?

[20:59:19]

nutron:

is there a step up (card) that has svideo out and is fanless? (this box is connected to an ancient 36" crt)

[20:59:37]

nutron:

Oleg_: marketing

[20:59:39]

wagnerrp:

because a 9500 is a more powerful card from the 210

[20:59:41]

skd5aner:

sphery: yea, I know... unless it was fixed already, it ain't going to help me out "this time" – just glad to know others won't have to go through this massive pain i n the future :)

[20:59:52]

kormoc:

justinh: weird... after the make clean, does that .o file still exist or perhaps it's compiling to a empty file?

[21:00:14]

justinh:

trying again to have a look

[21:00:24]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp: but a 9500gt doesn't support a full vc1 decoding, unlike a 210 card

[21:00:27]

wagnerrp:

as i explained yesterday, the only difference between those profiles is the deinterlace parameters

[21:00:35]

wagnerrp:

the deinterlacers are run in the shader hardware

[21:00:40]

skd5aner:

sphery: I'll pay you One Hundred Trillion Dollars ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zimbabwe_$1 . . . _Obverse.jpg

[21:00:50]

justinh:

kormoc: after the make clean the file it complains about being truncated isn't there any longer

[21:01:11]

wagnerrp:

the 9500gt is a more popwerful card than the 210

[21:01:23]

kormoc:

justinh: I'd check the compile output above that error to see if the compiler is barfing

[21:01:36]

kormoc:

justinh: and run a svn status to make sure it's still a clean checkout?

[21:01:37]

Oleg_:

oh, it's so confusing

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Oleg_:

hard to understand

[21:01:47]

justinh:

kormoc: will do

[21:02:01]

skd5aner:

Oleg_: calm down, go do some research on the wiki first

[21:02:15]

Oleg_:

look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo

[21:02:26]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: look on the mythtv wiki

[21:02:46]

Oleg_:

it says that a 9500gt card only supports the vdpau feature set A, and a 210 card supports the vdpau feature set C

[21:02:53]

skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

[21:02:59]

cipher42:

what is confusing? 201 has all the new bells and whistles, but the 9500gt is more powerful

[21:03:18]

skd5aner:

Oleg_: don't get overwhelmed, seriously...

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skd5aner:

Get a GT 220 and be done with it...

[21:03:40]

wagnerrp:

VDPAU != PureVideo

[21:03:40]

wagnerrp:

they may run on the same hardware

[21:03:40]

wagnerrp:

but they behave differently

[21:03:40]

wagnerrp:

who cares about feature set

[21:03:42]

wagnerrp:

the VDPAU profiles in mythtv are only concerned with the deinterlacers

[21:03:43]

wagnerrp:

and the 9500gt as a more powerful video card, is capable of better deinterlacers

[21:04:17]

cipher42:

good explaination

[21:04:23]

wagnerrp:

the featureset has to do with the hardware VPU on the card

[21:04:29]

cipher42:

my frontend crashes after 15 min EXACTLY every single time

[21:04:36]

skd5aner:

... or, get a GT 220, which can handle all the deinterlacers currently, and is featureset C (which isn't that big of a deal in Myth)

[21:04:38]

wagnerrp:

while the deinterlacers are run entirely in software on the 3D hardware

[21:04:53]

edomeda:

Anyone have tips for using a eeebox Atom330 with Ion/9400M as a FE? Yes I've read the wiki pages, checked VDPAU supported, etc. I'm just looking for lessons learned type info, maybe even a blog on their setup.

[21:06:04]

skd5aner:

I mean, it's not like you save a ton of money getting a GT 210 vs GT 220, or even a 9500

[21:06:17]

skd5aner:

heck, I got a GT 240, which was relatively cheap

[21:06:27]

skd5aner:

it's basically overkill

[21:06:54]

justinh:

kormoc: svn status isn't reporting anything, which seems weird

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kormoc:

justinh: the checkout might just be corrupt then and a fresh checkout would be prudent

[21:07:22]

justinh:

kormoc: also seems to be mythwelcome giving me the problem

[21:07:27]

Oleg_:

ok, let me just confirm it, a 220 card is more powerful than a 210 or 9500 card, but a 9500 card is more powerful than a 210 card?

[21:07:46]

cipher42:

any ideas why my frontend would get dc'd after 15 mins exactly

[21:08:06]

skd5aner:

sphery: one last question if you're still around – several of the SD channels DID in fact get shifted by the cable co, but yet the ChanID stayed the same – so I'm assuming that channum may have nothing to do with chanid as far as SD is concerned?

[21:08:22]

iamlindoro:

cipher42: IF it's crashing, you need a backtrace, it'simpossible to guess

[21:08:28]

wagnerrp:

correct

[21:08:41]

cipher42:

i mean the logs aren't really telling me anything

[21:08:49]

wagnerrp:

cipher42: have you looked at the backend logs?

[21:08:50]

iamlindoro:

cipher42: Is it crashing?

[21:08:51]

devinheitmueller:

cipher42: iamlindoro siad *BACKTRACE*

[21:09:02]

iamlindoro:

^^ Then that

[21:09:05]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp: you said "correct" to me?

[21:09:21]

wagnerrp:

have you increased verbosity?

[21:09:32]

cipher42:

never used backtrace before

[21:09:34]

justinh:

oh come on svn.mythtv.org darnit

[21:09:35]

sphery:

why is my server bouncing its link...

[21:09:58]

iamlindoro:

cipher42: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[21:10:06]

justinh:

so much for the server upgrade then...

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justinh:

I was reluctant to do a fresh checkout cos it was so slow earlier on

[21:12:59]

justinh:

ach sod it.. tarballs it is

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j-rod:

ouch, arsenal took a beat-down

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wagnerrp:

arsenal?

[21:15:34]

j-rod:

arsenal fc

[21:15:45]

j-rod:

epl

[21:16:03]

j-rod:

got their asses handed to them in champions league by barca

[21:17:30]

j-rod:

damn, messi w/four goals

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sphery:

skd5aner: the auto-gen'ed chanid's are subject to change. Feel free to look at the algorithm for how they're computed, but the end result is, "Sometimes they line up, sometimes they don't," and the reason is, "It depends." :)

[21:18:01]

sphery:

We have /never/ guaranteed chanid's won't change. I will be fixing it so the user never cares/notices.

[21:18:26]

sphery:

after all, the channel ID is /not/ user data, so the user shouldn't ever notice

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sphery:

skd5aner: for today, I suggest that you don't worry about what channel MythTV says was used to record old recordings made before your changed your video sources. Keep a backup from before the change, and when I have the changes to the restore script complete, it will be able to fix it for you.

[21:20:37]

sphery:

In truth, though, it shouldn't matter which channel a show aired on, so it shouldn't be hard to ignore for now. :)

[21:21:24]

skd5aner:

sphery: thanks, appreciate the detailed info

[21:22:07]

skd5aner:

sphery: my only concern is some of my "record on this channel" rules seems to be a bit messed up :(

[21:22:55]

nutron:

where did the wiki page about commercial flagging go to? Or am I t3h nub?

[21:23:31]

skd5aner:

sphery: I've just started to look at those, so I'm not sure what the extent of the issues I might see is, but my assumption that "record on this channel" rules used callsign, which hadn't changed

[21:23:43]

nutron:

There was a page which had a table with fps rates on different system. What page was that on?

[21:24:03]

kormoc:

skd5aner: chanid

[21:25:03]

mrand:

nutron: http://www.google.com/search?q=commercial+flagging+mythtv+fps

[21:25:42]

skd5aner:

kormoc: hmmmm, sphery confirmed my assumption via email that it was callsign – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/426897#426897

[21:25:53]

sphery:

skd5aner: yep, which is why any channel rules are the best

[21:26:10]

kormoc:

hrm

[21:26:19]

sphery:

chanid is used to retrieve callsign

[21:26:26]

kormoc:

there we go

[21:26:28]

sphery:

callsign is used for "this channel"

[21:26:41]

sphery:

therefore, if you rip the chanid out from under MythTV, you break any "this channel" rules

[21:26:49]

skd5aner:

kormoc: which would make sense, because if you had a digital and analog channel, you could set both to have the same callsign, and the "record on any channel" would use tuner priority to prioritize

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skd5aner:

ah, ok

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sphery:

ergo, don't use "this channel" rules!!!

[21:27:07]

** sphery has exactly 0 "this channel" rules **

[21:27:13]

skd5aner:

sphery: haha, yea – I've see your tag line before sphery :)

[21:27:29]

kormoc:

sphery: I have a few cause I want to do 'Any but not this channel' style rules :(

[21:27:33]

justinh:

lalalalallaa compilering again

[21:27:37]

sphery:

and, IMHO, no one should /ever/ use "this channel" rules, save the people who have +1 versions of channels

[21:28:00]

dustybin:

justinh: do you watch shameless?

[21:28:01]

justinh:

sphery: you've not seen the amount of repeats we get here

[21:28:10]

skd5aner:

I gave that a go once, literally got rid of all my channel specific rules (based on your advice) – but woke up the next morning with a ton of items that were in syndication...

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justinh:

dustybin: yeah reminds me of where I live

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sphery:

justinh: you have the +1 channels

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skd5aner:

obviously, I would have had to go back in and changed the repeat rules

[21:28:31]

dustybin:

justinh: make poverty history, cheaper drugs now

[21:28:33]

justinh:

sphery: +1 channels, and others which show older re-runs

[21:28:39]

sphery:

skd5aner: just means you need to tell MythTV which of those shows you've seen

[21:29:03]

sphery:

if you've seen it and MythTV doesn't know, don't abuse a "this channel" rule to make MythTV ignore the one's you've seen

[21:29:08]

sphery:

but that's my opinion

[21:29:20]

skd5aner:

sphery: I have +1 version of channels

[21:29:25]

high-rez:

Well thats just like your opinion man.

[21:29:28]

sphery:

MythTV knows I've seen every single episode of the Simpsons, even though I didn't start using MythTV 20 years ago

[21:29:45]

skd5aner:

sphery: I have *lots* of +1 versions of channels :)

[21:29:46]

sphery:

skd5aner: you're US, so you don't count--you have good listings data

[21:29:49]

justinh:

sphery: oh and that's the other thing... can't rely on programids here :(

[21:29:54]

skd5aner:

ah – haha, fair enough :)

[21:30:11]

sphery:

justinh: right, +1 + bad listings = abuse "this channel" rules if you want

[21:30:18]

justinh:

heheh

[21:30:30]

justinh:

if we had top gear on any time, any channel.. oh boy

[21:30:36]

justinh:

even with duplicate checking

[21:30:51]

sphery:

yeah, here in the US, with Schedules Direct, "this channel" is generally just laziness :)

[21:31:04]

sphery:

(or not understanding that there's a better way :)

[21:31:05]

skd5aner:

I'm going to have to come back and re-read this whole chat...

[21:31:07]

justinh:

timeslot is generally ok :)

[21:31:16]

kormoc:

sphery: or filtering out the BBC "The Office" vs the US "The Office"

[21:31:32]

skd5aner:

sphery: because honestly, I tried the "any channel" rule, and it didn't work out well for me, but I do use it maybe about 40% of the time

[21:31:38]

dustybin:

im looking forward to Apprentice

[21:31:38]

sphery:

kormoc: those are the domain of Power Rules/Custom Rules

[21:31:53]

mrand:

sphery: is there a decent way to educate a myth system about a lot of past eposides you've seen? (say to mark S01E* through S04E10 as already watched/recorded)?

[21:31:55]

sphery:

kormoc: so, just add a seriesid to the rule

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skd5aner:

mrand: good Question

[21:32:07]

sphery:

mrand: no, not until they come into listings...

[21:32:10]

kormoc:

sphery: sadly they tend to have the same seriesid :(

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sphery:

mrand: I just looked at my upcoming recordings in mythweb every 2 weeks and clicked Never Record for those I've seen

[21:33:00]

skd5aner:

ok – I've got to focus on getting everything back up and running or else I need to expect my wife to flip a gasket if LOST doesn't record tonight

[21:33:42]

skd5aner:

sphery: but honestly, it's gotta be substantially easier in your case managing a shorter list of just OTA channels

[21:33:56]

mrand:

sphery: yeah. Less than ideal since you have to keep revisiting it. But I understand.

[21:33:57]

mrand:

Hmm... Is there a database that list/episodes could be looked up?

[21:34:09]

sphery:

kormoc: according to http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/the-office/EP00453168 and http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/the-office/EP00726133 , it's 2 different seriesid's

[21:34:16]

wagnerrp:

mrand: like thetvdb.com?

[21:34:30]

kormoc:

sphery: they *should* be but a fair bit of the time they are not

[21:34:43]

sphery:

skd5aner: actually, the more channels/more repeats you have, the easier it is to mark all the old ones as never record

[21:35:02]

mrand:

wagnerrp: ah... yeah, probably so. Therefore all that would be needed is to input those numbers to mythtv's previously watched database.

[21:35:08]

sphery:

I'd still say that a custom rule is better than a this channel rule

[21:35:22]

sphery:

I'd have to see exact data to determine the best rule to use, but...

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wagnerrp:

mrand: the problem is that the default is for subtitle and description

[21:35:56]

sphery:

mrand: the problem is getting the TMS-specific programid's

[21:36:05]

wagnerrp:

of course subtitle alone would probably be sufficient in nearly all use cases

[21:36:10]

skd5aner:

yea – sigh, I don't know – with the exception of times like these, the "this channel rule" has worked beautifully for me – probably 50% of my recording rules are that

[21:36:17]

sphery:

as we're not allowed to a) scrape zap2it.com, or b) store listings forever

[21:36:24]

wagnerrp:

s/default/default (after trying the TMS ID)/

[21:36:34]

skd5aner:

but, I can tell you this is a specific use case where "any channel" rules would be nice

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skd5aner:

stupid cable company

[21:36:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: but it breaks down when things change--which is my whole point

[21:36:54]

skd5aner:

sphery: indeed

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Oleg_:

look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 52-_-Product

[21:37:18]

Oleg_:

a reviewer says that a 220 card is slower than a 9500 card in gaming

[21:37:23]

skd5aner:

haha, get this... during the shift, they are delivering about 30 more channels to me in ClearQAM

[21:37:44]

mrand:

skd5aner: can't last though, right?

[21:37:49]

sphery:

so WB and CBS do a joint venture to create CW and some other people buy up duplicate stations and turn them into MyTV, and CW gets the good shows and MyTV gets the bad ones, and now everything's broken--even if your chanid's didn't change

[21:38:01]

sphery:

but if you use "any channel" rules, they continue to work

[21:38:10]

skd5aner:

kind of worthless, because they are just delivering the standard def digital broadcast of cable networks that have an HD channel :P

[21:38:23]

skd5aner:

TNT, USA, FX, etc

[21:38:29]

sphery:

Oleg_: good thing that MythTV doesn't do real-time 3D rendering while watching TV

[21:38:58]

sphery:

Oleg_: because the newer/designed for HTPC video engine in the GT220 works great for MythtV

[21:39:02]

skd5aner:

sphery: once again, you logic is sound ;)

[21:39:18]

skd5aner:

Oleg: Just trust me...

[21:39:21]

iamlindoro:

Is this line of questioning STILL going on?

[21:39:27]

skd5aner:

Oleg_: trust ALL of us...

[21:39:31]

Oleg_:

ok

[21:39:32]

iamlindoro:

both the chanid and the stupid GPU thing were going on like two hours ago

[21:39:37]

wagnerrp:

Oleg_: on paper, the 220 is faster, but since its a different, newer architecture, it may not have some of the same optimizations

[21:39:50]

iamlindoro:

What's the point of anyone asking anything if they refuse to believe the answers?

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** iamlindoro sets everyone on fire **

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sphery:

and gaming performance is irrelevant to MythTV

[21:39:57]

wagnerrp:

however the point is moot, as they are BOTH fast enough to handle 2x Advanced deint of 1080i60 content

[21:40:00]

skd5aner:

who said I didn't believe nay of the answers?

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skd5aner:

I'm honestly learning and asking questions regarding the chanid stuff... haven't second guessed any of it

[21:40:50]

justinh:

skd5aner: who said you? ;-)

[21:41:23]

Oleg_:

just explain to me please why mplayer has no problems with playing that vc1 video, but the internal mythtv player does, no matter what profile I choose?

[21:41:25]

** skd5aner is a little self-consious today I guess :-o **

[21:41:47]

wagnerrp:

they have different implementations

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Asking, then making commentary when it's really a lack of understanding/poorly chosen recording rules that are to blame, not Myth

[21:41:52]

wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you running?

[21:41:53]

sphery:

skd5aner: basically, if you want to keep your "this channel" rules, you'll have to do the work required... Delete the rules and replace them, or change each rule to an "any channel" rule, then find a matching episode on the desired channel, select that episode, then change the rule to a "this channel" rule

[21:41:59]

Oleg_:

me?

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Oleg_:

myth-0.23

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iamlindoro:

Oleg_: Have you gone through all the troubleshooting steps on the vdpau page on the wiki?

[21:43:01]

wagnerrp:

i can say ive tried at least a dozen VC1 videos with VDPAU, and not had problems with any of them

[21:43:32]

Oleg_:

ok, the troubleshooting says I need to disable the X composite extension

[21:45:24]

skd5aner:

sphery: again, I appreciate the clarity

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mythtimelord:

so sorry to interject a random question that'll probably seem dumb, I'm having trouble getting my remote frontend to operate properly, i am upgrading from .21 to .22 and it tells me that it is not connecting to the master backend but the database of my archived files in MythVideo is accessible (i can see the full list of what is there) but none are playable, and live tv fails as well. anyone have a clue what setting i'm missing?

[21:46:03]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: you can rejoice, no more chanid conversation ;)

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justinh:

mythtimelord: new frontend hostname the same as any other on the network.. like say the backend?

[21:48:20]

mythtimelord:

no they've got different names

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markl_:

mythtimelord: what did you think about the season opener?

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mythtimelord:

:D i haven't seen it unfortunately been living in a cave basically for a bit

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iamlindoro:

He hasn't seen it because he's in the wrong country

[21:52:02]

iamlindoro:

and it hasn't aired where he is.

[21:52:08]

iamlindoro:

And any seeing it would be illegal.

[21:52:38]

kormoc:

if he's a timelord, perhaps he hopped in his tardis and watched it and then came back?

[21:52:40]

iamlindoro:

As it would be for you, Mark Lehrer of Salt Lake City.

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** iamlindoro glares **

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mythtimelord:

so this is weirder started my frontend process in a terminal and the initial db connection does go to the backend but pretty much everything after that it tries to use the loopback 127.0.0.1

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** iamlindoro wonders how things are in the 801 area code **

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shuhari:

So I'm trying to figure out what hardware to go with for my MythTV box. I want 720p/1080p, hdmi, DTS, live tv recording, and wireless in a single nice looking HTPC case. Suggestions?

[21:53:18]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:53:31]

kormoc:

shuhari: Late 2009 Mac Mini

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shuhari:

The latest-and-greatest Mac Mini's won't do?

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** wagnerrp does not consider weird glossy white cube 'nice looking' **

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wagnerrp:

but thats all personal preference

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kormoc:

shuhari: or newer, sure

[21:54:48]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: it's metallic!

[21:54:50]

wagnerrp:

shuhari: isnt late '09 the last hardware update for the minis?

[21:55:08]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: and it matches the mac pro, macbook pro, etc :P

[21:55:21]

wagnerrp:

brushed aluminum now?

[21:55:31]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: all but the top, aye

[21:55:51]

kormoc:

the top is the white apple, but meh, it's not hard to push it back so no one sees it

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shuhari:

Mac Mini's can throw out DTS audio? via which port?

[21:56:25]

wagnerrp:

SPDIF?

[21:56:26]

kormoc:

shuhari: the optical audio out port?

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iamlindoro:

optical

[21:57:10]

shuhari:

I might be blind, but http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/design_back_20091020.jpg which is that?

[21:57:35]

iamlindoro:

The line out is also optical on the minis

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kormoc:

shuhari: the macs use a unified audio port

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shuhari:

Oh damn, never even heard of that.

[21:58:11]

shuhari:

and it has enough under the hood to push 1080p you say? not bad.

[21:58:24]

kormoc:

VDPAU feature set B support

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j-rod:

or pimp it out with a crystalhd card and use an app that supports it

[21:59:02]

** j-rod has an old gma950 mac mini that does 1080p playback just fine **

[21:59:18]

kormoc:

j-rod: h264?

[21:59:23]

shuhari:

sweeeet

[21:59:23]

j-rod:

yes

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kormoc:

welp, there you go then

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Beirdo2:

j-rod: You into watching soccer?

[21:59:42]

j-rod:

watching and playing

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[21:59:51]

kormoc:

although I'd guess commflagging on that would be a bit brutal :P

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shuhari:

would I be running mythtv ontop of OSX or do I have the option of going gentoo/ubuntu?

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kormoc:

shuhari: I run Gentoo on my mini

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wagnerrp:

if you want to record, you want linux

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cipher42:

does myth turn on screen saver or DPMS?

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cipher42:

i'm thinking maybe that is causing my DC after 15 min

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Beirdo2:

Cool. Maybe we can go to a sounders game if a come visit :)

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iamlindoro:

cipher42: DC?

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iamlindoro:

or crash?

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shuhari:

awweeesome, thanks for the answers guys

[22:01:40]

Beirdo2:

Dang it's hard to irc and drive

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cipher42:

disconnect

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iamlindoro:

cipher42: So the frontend is still up and functional?

[22:02:34]

cipher42:

yea but it gets disconnected

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wagnerrp:

'sounders' game?

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Beirdo2:

Using nat?

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wagnerrp:

because theres no more menacing a mascot than someone who sticks a pole in the mud

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Beirdo2:

wagnerrp: Seattle soccer (mls)

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cipher42:

i mean the backend is a nat

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shuhari:

Oh here's a question. I take it there's a mythtv plugin for hulu. Is it theoretically possible to wrap that in a VPN script so whenever hulu content is accessed it'll travel down that path?

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wagnerrp:

shuhari: no

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wagnerrp:

(no mythtv hulu plugin)

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Beirdo2:

cipher42: Quite likely a nat table timeout

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shuhari:

Oh.. I just watched a youtube vid that was showing it

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cipher42:

how could i test it?

[22:04:41]

shuhari:

plugin called MythVodka

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kormoc:

not official and against their TOS iirc

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wagnerrp:

is abandoned, and no longer works with current mythtv or current hulu

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oobe:

get huludesktop

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: my face is out there, somewhere

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Beirdo2:

man iptablrs

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Beirdo2:

Err iptables

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Beirdo2:

Stupid iPhone

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shuhari:

huludesktopoh that's pretty cool

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo2: we will NOT excuse your brevity

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he's only on a iphone while driving

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shuhari:

so just an application launch to huludesktop. anybody use it with a mac mini? flash based HD still good to go?

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Beirdo2:

Heh. I'm ircing in traffic at 50mph. Gimme a break :)

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wagnerrp:

shuhari: youre setting this up as a backend, right?

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Beirdo2:

No cops. Check.

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shuhari:

er, no?

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wagnerrp:

are you using this as a frontend or combo fe/be?

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Beirdo2:

Don't think it's technically illegal here. Just stupid.

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shuhari:

combo I guess

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wagnerrp:

flash is too expensive, buy external hard drives for recording space

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oobe:

shuhari, yes huludesktop can be launched from inside mythtv and supports remote's

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he means watching flash videos

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oobe:

and it does not violate TOS

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kormoc:

oobe: noone said it did

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oobe:

but is more annoying to ff rew

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wagnerrp:

oobe: mythvodka violates TOS

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oobe:

no im saying that is the advantage of it

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Beirdo2:

Thank god this is no longer my daily commute

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wagnerrp:

huludesktop better not violate the TOS, considering they wrote it themselves

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oobe:

lol

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Beirdo2:

Heh

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oobe:

yes that is my point

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oobe:

it is the legal way to use it

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shuhari:

haha I just realized I would be using the Mac Mini as a combo fe/be. Where/how do I bring in the coax signal from?

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wagnerrp:

from the telephone line?

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wagnerrp:

telephone pole

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kormoc:

shuhari: hdpvr or any usb/firewire capture device

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wagnerrp:

through the walls?

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Beirdo2:

USB tuner

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wagnerrp:

ductwork?

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shuhari:

USB tuner eh, gotcha.

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kormoc:

ip over carrier pidgin

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kormoc:

shuhari: or network tuner (hdhomerun)

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wagnerrp:

shuhari: what do you intend to record?

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shuhari:

wagnerrp: livetv, PVR style. nothing too major

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Beirdo2:

Mmmm. Beer. Must buy some

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wagnerrp:

from where?

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wagnerrp:

antenna? satellite? cable?

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shuhari:

Oh, cable.

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kormoc:

hdpvr is likely your best option, it does hd capures from your cable box

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wagnerrp:

from sweden... you actually get to use proper CAMs with your cable

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kormoc:

ooh

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Beirdo2:

Time ti move to Sweden?

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shuhari:

I <3 Canada too much for that ;)

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iamlindoro:

If only it weren't full of swedes

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wagnerrp:

no, youre not from sweden.. im on an IRC server located in sweden

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: beady eyes and all, right?

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Beirdo2:

iamlindoro: Dont like blondes? :)

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo2: SVT grabber leads me to beleive lots of redheads, so that'd be okay

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Beirdo2:

Hehe. Ok

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j-rod:

Beirdo2: yeah, a sounders game would rock, crazy rowdy crowds there, almost like a european game

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cipher42:

is there any screen saver or DPMS that you guys know of that occurs after 15 mins?

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Beirdo2:

Well if yer in town it might be a fun experience :)

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Beirdo2:

cipher42: You check the nat yet?

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cipher42:

i mean i only have like 2 rules in there

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j-rod:

time to roll for home, ttfn

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Beirdo2:

Ugh

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Beirdo2:

The nat mapping

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iamlindoro:

Why not open three terminals, tail -f mythfrontend.log, tail -f mythbackend.log, tail -f /var/log/messages, and see what happens when the issue comes up?

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cipher42:

i am doing it

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Beirdo2:

And then try again with a ping running

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Beirdo2:

Heh. Although that won't keep the port open

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cipher42:

whoa, i didn't realize mythtvfrontend put stuff in /var/log/messages

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cipher42:

segfault at 7000000119 ip 00007f001d837681 sp 00007fff06a7d1a0 error 4 in libmyth-0.22.so.0.22.0[7f001d763000+304000]

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Beirdo2:

Heh

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Beirdo2:

Kaboom

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cipher42:

boom!

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you have a broken build

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iamlindoro:

are you meant to be running .22, or .23?

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cipher42:

it's ubuntu package

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iamlindoro:

...

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cipher42:

both front and backends are running .22

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cipher42:

-fixes

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Beirdo2:

Unresponsive

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iamlindoro:

then follow the backtrace instructions in the wiki I sent earlier

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iamlindoro:

and get a backtrace for the segfault

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Beirdo2:

Ok almost freeway time

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Beirdo2:

Gonna put the phone down

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Beirdo2:

And listen to music.

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cipher42:

normally i don't get the sefault

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shuhari:

this hdhomerun seems pretty cool. how can I tell if it would pick up all the channels in my local area running down the coax?

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skd5aner:

shuhari: it is cool... go here – http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

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skd5aner:

assuming you are in the US

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skd5aner:

odds of it picking up "everything running down the coax" – almost zero

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skd5aner:

odds of it picking up all your local channels (FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, etc) via QAM – extremely good

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sphery:

kormoc: are you seeing the nominated ofr deletion stuff, anymore?

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kormoc:

sphery: it was removed

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sphery:

did you do that?

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sphery:

or did someone actually read the license thing

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kormoc:

I did aye

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sphery:

don't know how, but that's good

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sphery:

at least until they re-nominate it

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

edit the main picture page and it's in there

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oobe:

chuck s03e13 could easily be a season finale the way it ended but its still going woo hoo

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oobe:

i read ages ago when they first announced season 3 that it would only go for 12 eps

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shuhari:

skd5aner: hmm, so what if that website only finds like three? http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1978369

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wagnerrp:

shuhari: then dont expect to get more than those three

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shuhari:

I mean, I need something that would pick up the HD channels, but also all the SD channels that basic cable provides. hdhomerun might not be for me?

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skd5aner:

shuhari: you in Canada?

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shuhari:

skd5aner: yea

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skd5aner:

shuhari: I'm not familiar with the laws/requirements for cable companies to send channels in the clear in Canada. In the US, basically if you get it over the air, they need to send it unecrypted over cable...

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iamlindoro:

No such requirement in Canada

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skd5aner:

also, I'm not sure how complete silicondust's list is for Canada, but I imagine if they have it listed, then that is what you should expect

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

couple decent looking channels via antenna, though

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shuhari:

Well assuming that hdhomerun won't pickup all of the channels my tv does off the wire, what's an alternative to get all these channels?

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skd5aner:

HD-PVR hooked up to your STB

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skd5aner:

Assuming you have a cable box, and assuming it has component out, you can capture anything it'll output in whatever resolution (SD to HD) that it'll output it on those outputs

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iamlindoro:

If your TV is directly connected to the cable and you get more than that, then your cable provider is still transmitting in analog

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iamlindoro:

in which case get any analog tuner (like a PVR-150 or PVR-500) and capture anything your TV can get

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skd5aner:

yup – 2–99 (usually) – I still have analog tuners that I use that way

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skd5aner:

so, there's lots of "options"

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skd5aner:

depends on what you have, and what you care to record

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shuhari:

hmm

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skd5aner:

and, as iamlindoro also mentioned, the HDHR will also tune OTA channels, via an antenna if you have one or want to go that route (free minus the cost of the HDHR)

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shuhari:

Yeah the cable is direct to tv. I just want to assemble a single box to do all this (whether that be a mac-mini with an analog-USB tuner, or another hw configuration). i'd rather not buy a PVR + mac mini, etc. thinking of the cheapest way to 'mythtv'ize my existing tv setup with the same channels.

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skd5aner:

In that case, get a cheap analog card and you'll get everything "out of the wall" you can tune directly on the TV

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skd5aner:

PVR-500's are older, but work fairly well and are robust. They have 2 tuners on a single card. If you get 2 cards, you could have 4 tuners and be pretty set in terms of avoiding conflicts

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clever:

dang, 3 segfaults today in the same 1h recording

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clever:

i really need to svn update

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skd5aner:

one note – mythtv is open/source and "free as in beer", but usually getting into myth isn't necessarily cheap

[23:41:16]

shuhari:

pci cards, okay. now this throws out the mac mini, hmm.

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skd5aner:

shuhari: not sure what USB tuner solutions there are – I have not researched them – you can go to http://linuxtv.org and see what's supported

[23:42:06]

matmatmat:

heyo, i got that problem about the frontend hanging during channel change, someone told me to do a core dump, but i forgot how to do it

[23:42:14]

shuhari:

well if I can build something that will take in all the signals for the forseeable future, has enough juice to pump 1080p, and usb ports for external hard drives I think I'll be good to go.

[23:42:18]

matmatmat:

i only remember to kill -4

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skd5aner:

matmatmat: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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abqjp:

shuhari: you can get USB analog capture devices, but they are not as robust — especially when you use multiple on the same computer. They also won't do closed-captions.

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matmatmat:

tks

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skd5aner:

shuhari: do you use a cablebox/stb at all (anywhere in your house)?

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shuhari:

skd5aner: nope, just coax to TV.

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abqjp:

shuhari: many people have reported problems when they hook up multiple USB devices (capture, hard drives, etc) on the same USB bus. If you can segregate the devices on different USB busses, it helps keep reliability up.

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skd5aner:

shuhari: np, I hate STBs anyway, but was going to say that if you did have one, you could still use something like a mac-mini + HD-PVR to capture everything since it's USB

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skd5aner:

abqjp: any reports of multiple HD-PVRs struggling on the same bus?

[23:46:29]

abqjp:

skd5aner: yup

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skd5aner:

hmmm – got an extra one sitting around, only one STB right now, so I haven't hooked it up – I'll have to keep that in mind

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abqjp:

I use two HD-PVRs, plus two USB cables to change channels on my mythbackend, and it works fine --- but my original motherboard would not handle it. New motherboard is great.

[23:47:36]

skd5aner:

what are you controlling?

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abqjp:

Directv STBs.

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skd5aner:

DTV STBS?

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skd5aner:

ahh – that was my guess :)

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abqjp:

Motherboard that works well, is P45 based. Motherboard that had fits was a previous generation chipset.

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shuhari:

hmmm okay, so my venture isn't as easy as originally intended. i'll revisit in a few. thanks for the answers guys!

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abqjp:

skd5aner: one of the main reasons I chose Directv over Dish, was because of the reliability of USB control.

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abqjp:

ThisOtherGuy: I did not have time to reproduce your problem this last weekend. Question: does the problem go away if you use the optional patches listed on the wiki?

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skd5aner:

abqjp: yea – which model is the STB?

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abqjp:

skd5aner: I have a H20–100 and a H21–100

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skd5aner:

abqjp: my folks have had DirecTV for...evvvvv..errr

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matmatmat:

apport-retrace should open a browser, but it doesnt here

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abqjp:

Comcast pissed me off when they added 5C to all the firewire channels, so I dumped them. At the time, Directv was the only provider that had SciFiHD, plus I knew that the USB worked for channel changes.

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