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| [00:00:57] | mellofone: | [R]: so I may be better off buying a dirt cheap PC and using a frontend? |
| [00:01:20] | [R]: | that works |
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| [00:03:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: AIUI, multitasking is forbidden for /apps/. For Apple-provided functionality, it works. Apple says they can't trust apps to multitask properly because it will have a negative impact on battery life and possibly on "the user experience." |
| [00:04:43] | Beirdo: | hahahha |
| [00:05:08] | Beirdo: | eediots |
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| [00:05:57] | dewman: | what are scte channels? |
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| [00:06:02] | sphery: | mellofone: I second the "use a frontend" recommendation |
| [00:06:14] | Beirdo: | OK... sphery/iamlindoro... any preferences? Should I check in the two new mythweather scripts in a separate commit than the code changes, or together? |
| [00:06:17] | sphery: | (though "cheap PC" may not be your best bet--don't get an underpowered one) |
| [00:06:33] | sphery: | either works for me |
| [00:06:41] | sphery: | out of curiosity, are the DB updates for this? |
| [00:06:52] | sphery: | if so, you might want to wait until 0.23 is finally released... |
| [00:07:03] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [00:07:11] | Beirdo: | yes, but only for mythweather ;) |
| [00:07:18] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure some users are on the "trunk until 0.23" train, now |
| [00:07:30] | sphery: | then again, they could just drop the MythWeather schema... |
| [00:07:36] | Beirdo: | changes a field from 64 to 128 bytes |
| [00:07:59] | Beirdo: | I could email you the svn diff if you are interested, BTW |
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| [00:08:21] | sphery: | well, if you "break the seal", it might hurry the release :) |
| [00:08:33] | sphery: | don't need to see the diff... |
| [00:08:40] | sphery: | I don't mind, personally |
| [00:08:49] | sphery: | most devs probably won't |
| [00:09:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:09:17] | sphery: | Might want to just make sure you mention it clearly in the commit message so that only the people who are running trunk and not following -commits will have issues :) |
| [00:10:20] | sphery: | lot of low-level lib changes this weekend... recompile is taking forever |
| [00:11:49] | sphery: | Beirdo: Actually, I've changed my mind. It's probably better for those who are running trunk to switch off it now, anyway. So, if you do a "meh" DB update (which can be 'fixed') by dropping MythWeather schema, it should start people moving to the right branch. |
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| [00:12:11] | sphery: | my right paren is about 4 words early... |
| [00:12:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:12:52] | Beirdo: | well, the db change is pretty minor, but yeah, at worst, dropping the mythweather tables and removing the setting should do it. |
| [00:12:58] | Beirdo: | it worked perfectly for me |
| [00:12:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: "Frannie has the Palm Pre, which runs multiple apps /at the same time/" :) |
| [00:13:06] | sphery: | (commercial for Spring) |
| [00:13:11] | sphery: | Sprint, that is |
| [00:13:23] | Beirdo: | the Palm Pre sucks at multiple apps at the same time |
| [00:13:30] | sphery: | yeah, it's the schema version that's the issue |
| [00:14:02] | sphery: | I haven't used one... just thought it was funny that they made such a big deal about it because the iPhone doesn't. |
| [00:14:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, this doesn't change the main schema at all, just that for mythweather (1004->1005) |
| [00:14:38] | sphery: | I should extend the "don't let people change the DB schema version with an override" code to work for all plugin schema versions |
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| [00:15:14] | Beirdo: | might not be a bad plan |
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| [00:23:00] | Beirdo: | well, any last words, or should I check this in? ;) |
| [00:23:27] | Beirdo: | was just writing out my commit message in vi (using svn diff so I didn't forget anything) |
| [00:23:54] | sphery: | go for it! |
| [00:24:02] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [00:25:56] | Beirdo: | [23992] :) |
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| [00:27:00] | sphery: | yay! |
| [00:27:14] | Beirdo: | fun times ;) |
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| [00:29:25] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:29:31] | Beirdo: | #8392 |
| [00:29:43] | Beirdo: | so stop trying to watch that movie. problem fixed. |
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| [00:35:59] | ** sphery tries a new tack on settings removal ** | |
| [00:36:24] | iamlindoro: | "suck it, douchebags?" |
| [00:36:25] | Beirdo: | oh yay... we have another self-proclaimed know-it-all in the mailing list |
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| [00:36:49] | Beirdo: | "USB is a digital signal, either it gets there or not" |
| [00:36:53] | Beirdo: | what a load of crap |
| [00:37:04] | Beirdo: | digital signals are STILL analog signals |
| [00:37:11] | sphery: | wait... |
| [00:37:15] | sphery: | I heard analog is bad |
| [00:37:16] | Beirdo: | it all depends on the encoding |
| [00:37:44] | sphery: | I thought that digital signals were sent by just sending electrons for on and nothing for off |
| [00:37:44] | Beirdo: | after all, serial cables carry digital signals... but the signal is still in the analog domain :) |
| [00:37:54] | sphery: | after all, that's how electicity works, right? |
| [00:38:14] | Beirdo: | if it's on copper, it's an analog signal if it uses varying voltage levels |
| [00:38:30] | Beirdo: | digital over fiber optics works more like you are saying :) |
| [00:38:41] | sphery: | my analog signal works great for my digital TV :) |
| [00:38:41] | Beirdo: | i.e. light on, light off |
| [00:39:02] | sphery: | clap on, clap off |
| [00:39:18] | Beirdo: | anyways, I don't feel like giving the twit an engineering lesson, I'm sure it will go way over his head anyways |
| [00:39:52] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm actually just picking on the people who say that analog is bad and digital is good--and think that's all there is to it |
| [00:39:53] | Beirdo: | and I can't be bothered :) |
| [00:39:58] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [00:40:02] | Beirdo: | it's retarded :) |
| [00:41:02] | Beirdo: | now, I'm pretty sure that USB uses a differential signal, so the effects of distance and loss in a cable will be relatively minimal |
| [00:41:05] | Beirdo: | but still. |
| [00:41:29] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [00:41:34] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't. |
| [00:41:43] | [R]: | it had D+ and D- |
| [00:41:46] | [R]: | has* |
| [00:41:57] | Beirdo: | heh. 4 pins... power, ground, data one direction, data the other direction, no? |
| [00:42:03] | sphery: | I don't know any specifics of USB, but had heard it's designed for a max of 10 feet/3m |
| [00:42:17] | sphery: | what's the 5th? (USB 2+) |
| [00:42:19] | Beirdo: | or is it actually a differential, half-duplex signal? |
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| [00:42:45] | AndyCap: | Prior to USB 3.0, these collectively use half-duplex differential signaling to reduce the effects of electromagnetic noise on longer lines. |
| [00:42:50] | AndyCap: | according to WP |
| [00:42:50] | Beirdo: | there's only 4 contacts on any of the USB I've ever seen |
| [00:43:08] | Beirdo: | Thanks, AndyCap |
| [00:43:13] | sphery: | yeah, looks that way |
| [00:43:19] | AndyCap: | USB 3.0 introduces two additional pairs of shielded twisted wire and new, mostly interoperable contacts |
| [00:43:27] | sphery: | could have sworn they added oen for newer usb |
| [00:43:29] | AndyCap: | Mostly interoperable O_o |
| [00:43:31] | Beirdo: | yeah, so distance shouldn't be a signal integrity issue mostly |
| [00:43:50] | Beirdo: | not-so-universal serial bus |
| [00:44:19] | AndyCap: | miramax serial bus |
| [00:44:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:44:44] | Beirdo: | nice one |
| [00:45:01] | Beirdo: | why does that remind me so much of Jay and Silent Bob? |
| [00:45:47] | Beirdo: | sphery: nice... |
| [00:46:02] | sphery: | the preview offsets? |
| [00:46:07] | sphery: | much better than before... |
| [00:46:08] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [00:46:33] | sphery: | rm /path/to/recordings/*.png then hit MythWeb Recorded Programs (when your backends are bored) to see |
| [00:47:02] | sphery: | took me an hour to regen my 1330+ previews (and took 5 tests to get it working the way I wanted :) |
| [00:47:17] | Beirdo: | oh goodness |
| [00:50:18] | dewman: | what exactly are scte channels? |
| [00:50:45] | dewman: | wait, i dont need the engineering definition. =) |
| [00:51:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:51:07] | Beirdo: | good thing I don't know :) |
| [00:51:22] | dewman: | I had to toss that in there. hehe |
| [00:51:43] | sphery: | dewman: that message is mostly meaningless |
| [00:51:55] | Beirdo: | stupid crappy tv encoding? |
| [00:52:05] | sphery: | it means that MythTV thinks that the information about the channel is being transmitted as SCTE65, which mythtv's scanner doesn't support |
| [00:52:16] | sphery: | if your cable co doesn't use SCTE65, then ignore it. |
| [00:52:29] | dewman: | I have no idea if they do or not. |
| [00:52:39] | sphery: | if they do, then you should look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan (as it will likely do /much/ better than our scanner) |
| [00:53:09] | sphery: | if it's Comcast and they're sending out DTA's so they can turn off all analog signals and make everything digital, then they do :) |
| [00:53:28] | iamlindoro: | SCTE as far as the Myth channel scanner refers to it is just US Cable channels |
| [00:53:29] | sphery: | (my understanding--probably very simplistic) |
| [00:53:49] | iamlindoro: | it is not directly related to SCTE-65, which is just one of many published standards from the SCTE (Society of Cable Television Engineers) |
| [00:54:04] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [00:54:08] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I like "Stupid Crappy TV Encoding" better |
| [00:54:16] | iamlindoro: | potato, potato |
| [00:54:19] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [00:55:22] | dewman: | ok....Well I am not on comcast but that doesnt mean that they are not doing it. |
| [00:55:44] | dewman: | however I second the "Stupid Craddy Tv Encoding" =) |
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| [01:01:35] | sphery: | I'll go along, as long as we insert "cable" in there before TV |
| [01:01:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:02:04] | Beirdo: | makes it somewhat nicer. "Stupid Cable TV Encoding" |
| [01:02:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:02:12] | Beirdo: | wow, it's almost descriptice |
| [01:02:16] | Beirdo: | ve |
| [01:02:19] | sphery: | my ATSC is just fine--as long as I'm not in a moving vehicle, of course |
| [01:02:21] | Beirdo: | stupid fingers |
| [01:02:57] | Beirdo: | that was a stupid choice of encoding |
| [01:03:02] | sphery: | atsc? |
| [01:03:06] | sphery: | we should have used DVB |
| [01:03:08] | Beirdo: | what about the poor gits that drive around in RVs |
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| [01:03:13] | sphery: | but, you know, NIH |
| [01:03:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, ATSC... |
| [01:03:32] | sphery: | The US has a bad case of NIH (and I don't mean National Institutes of Health) |
| [01:03:50] | Beirdo: | the US just has to be contrarian. |
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| [01:04:34] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:04:58] | sphery: | and then--worse--they go around to all the other countries that haven't switched to digital and try to force them to use ATSC |
| [01:05:07] | Beirdo: | the entire world uses metric... except the US |
| [01:05:09] | sphery: | at least Brazil said No |
| [01:05:25] | sphery: | and then they got the Olympics instead of Chicago... conspiracy? |
| [01:05:40] | Beirdo: | if you are using NTSC, changing to ATSC may not be the dumbest idea ever |
| [01:05:43] | Beirdo: | but... |
| [01:06:10] | Beirdo: | I'm sure that will be easier than NTSC -> DVB, which is mostly got equipment for the PAL world |
| [01:06:24] | Beirdo: | and again... most of the world uses PAL... but the US... |
| [01:06:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:06:54] | Beirdo: | of course, that's tied to the 60Hz grid rather than 50Hz grid |
| [01:07:18] | Beirdo: | but why did we use a different power frequency? |
| [01:07:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:07:41] | Beirdo: | too many isolationistic decisions :) |
| [01:07:51] | Beirdo: | of course, Canada = US |
| [01:08:04] | Beirdo: | for all this stuff anyways |
| [01:08:17] | sphery: | a world leader--in doing things differently from the rest of the world |
| [01:08:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:09:43] | Beirdo: | I don't recall if my power prof ever DID explain why Canada/US went 60Hz, and most of the rest of the world 50Hz |
| [01:10:07] | Beirdo: | I think it may have something to do with losses over long transmission line lengths though |
| [01:10:31] | Beirdo: | as that's something we have different over Europe |
| [01:11:01] | Beirdo: | but you'll have to forgive me... that was 15 years ago :) |
| [01:12:15] | sphery: | No pain, no gain. More Hertz, more gain? |
| [01:12:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [01:13:20] | Beirdo: | 1.5 more days of work. YAY |
| [01:14:29] | sphery: | nice |
| [01:14:34] | sphery: | then you move right away? |
| [01:14:44] | dewman: | i have another non-engineering question.... |
| [01:15:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: didnt we have 60Hz first? |
| [01:15:12] | Beirdo: | then I have about a week to finish crap here, then move |
| [01:15:22] | wagnerrp: | isnt that more a question of why the rest of the world had to be different from us? |
| [01:15:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: quite possibly |
| [01:16:12] | Beirdo: | 15 years and many drinks are between me and my power theory class |
| [01:17:47] | dewman: | since the channels are coming via cable, would the guide data get picked up from SD? I noticed that all the locals have the use on air guide checked. Is that default for atsc channels? |
| [01:20:39] | sphery: | use on air guide is enabled by default on /all/ channels on digital capture devices |
| [01:20:53] | sphery: | however, there's a "master switch" in the video source that disables it |
| [01:21:09] | sphery: | you should disable the on-air guide in the video source, then use Schedules Direct |
| [01:21:28] | sphery: | (as your on-air guide will be useless in the US--especially on cable) |
| [01:21:31] | sphery: | dewman: ^^^ |
| [01:22:13] | wagnerrp: | there seems to be no good reason for 60Hz |
| [01:22:15] | janneg: | iirc it's completely arbitrary. below 50Hz light bulbs begin to flacker |
| [01:22:21] | dewman: | sphery, danka |
| [01:22:21] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about some JERK changing the library revisions tonight ** | |
| [01:22:45] | wagnerrp: | and 50Hz was chosen because it was more cleanly adaptable by the decimal metric system |
| [01:22:49] | Beirdo: | janneg: so why didn't Europe use 60Hz like North America? |
| [01:23:08] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: now that I don't believe :) |
| [01:23:31] | janneg: | and motor are easier to build with lower frequencies but 50 Hz is probably already to high |
| [01:23:57] | Beirdo: | heh. ah well |
| [01:24:20] | Beirdo: | just keep your appendages out of the sockets in Europe |
| [01:24:21] | wagnerrp: | machinery actually wanted ~16–33Hz for various things, but power for incandescent lighting won out |
| [01:24:25] | Beirdo: | ouchy |
| [01:24:31] | janneg: | german rail power is still 16 2/3 |
| [01:24:41] | wagnerrp: | apparently there are still some low frequency grids in operation for specialty tasks |
| [01:24:53] | wagnerrp: | railways, pump stations, etc... |
| [01:24:59] | Beirdo: | 16 2/3? OK, now that's a freakish number |
| [01:25:11] | janneg: | 50/3 |
| [01:25:42] | Beirdo: | heh, but why /3? |
| [01:25:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:26:11] | Beirdo: | I don't recall that being an easy divisor in the frequency sense |
| [01:26:37] | Beirdo: | I guess 12.5 Hz was too low and 25Hz too high? |
| [01:27:09] | janneg: | Beirdo: I think 50Hz in parts of europe vs. 60Hz in north america was paralell and then never fully standardized |
| [01:27:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's odd stuff though :) |
| [01:27:51] | Beirdo: | I have gotten used to the sound of 60Hz mains hum |
| [01:27:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:27:55] | wagnerrp: | apparently california was still 50Hz into the mid 1900s |
| [01:28:10] | wagnerrp: | and Mexico into the 70s |
| [01:29:01] | Beirdo: | neat |
| [01:30:10] | janneg: | Beirdo: 50/3 Hz single phase might be easy to generate from 3 phase 50Hz |
| [01:31:23] | Beirdo: | hmmmm, I dunno. it's been too long :) |
| [01:35:46] | wagnerrp: | so apparently the 'overwhelming majority' of toyota accelerator accidents are by persons over the age of 55 |
| [01:35:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:36:08] | Beirdo: | ones too dumb to turn the stupid engine off? |
| [01:36:12] | iamlindoro: | From which we can only conclude that Toyata hates old people |
| [01:39:49] | wagnerrp: | cacti has no image export option? |
| [01:40:27] | Beirdo: | I'm sure they await your patches :) |
| [01:40:44] | wagnerrp: | i mean they capture right clicks in javascript |
| [01:40:53] | wagnerrp: | so i cant 'save image as' |
| [01:41:02] | Beirdo: | lame, huh? |
| [01:41:14] | wagnerrp: | well 'right click' is 'zoom out' |
| [01:41:24] | wagnerrp: | then left click zooms in |
| [01:44:46] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out how to actually use this properly, and start writing new queries |
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| [01:52:09] | Beirdo: | OK, firmware time :) |
| [01:52:38] | Beirdo: | I also need to make build-time tools to stuff the CRC and length into the output file |
| [01:52:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [02:05:19] | tate: | I have a mythtv installation that works just perfectly- except for some reason the volume starts on the low-end. I raise it and periodically throughout watching a recording it will bring the volume level back to the initial low default. Can I change this behavior? |
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| [02:09:41] | sphery: | tate: you've marked the option "Use internal volume controls," but you're using an external program (gmixer, alsamixer, your GNOME/KDE/XFCE/WM hotkeys for volume, ...) to change the volume |
| [02:09:49] | sphery: | you can't do that... either use internal or don't |
| [02:09:50] | tate: | Also, when I skip ahead in a recording it drops the volume to a near mute. |
| [02:09:59] | sphery: | see above :) |
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| [02:10:46] | tate: | Where is this option in the settings? |
| [02:10:53] | tate: | I'm looking in TV settings |
| [02:11:41] | sphery: | I think it's General settings |
| [02:11:43] | sphery: | not under TV |
| [02:12:37] | sphery: | yeah, main General Settings |
| [02:12:48] | sphery: | not TV Setting|General Settings |
| [02:13:59] | wagnerrp: | so stick with trunk? or migrate to -fixes... |
| [02:14:02] | wagnerrp: | choices... choices... |
| [02:14:42] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I in the past have always stuck with trunk :) |
| [02:14:48] | sphery: | I hear 0.18.1 is stable |
| [02:14:48] | Beirdo: | for better or for worse |
| [02:15:00] | sphery: | I used to always stick with trunk |
| [02:15:10] | iamlindoro: | trunk will be a lot more unstable this cycle |
| [02:15:11] | sphery: | then I realized that it was far more work than TV was worth |
| [02:15:18] | sphery: | now I use -fixes for production |
| [02:15:30] | sphery: | (still need to upgrade to current version -fixes, though :) |
| [02:15:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but im going to have to follow trunk for the bindings |
| [02:15:52] | wagnerrp: | i suppose i can always set up a separate system for trunk |
| [02:15:53] | sphery: | yeah, if you don't have a dev box, my plan doesn't work |
| [02:16:01] | sphery: | that's what I have' |
| [02:16:04] | Beirdo: | you have a good point :) |
| [02:16:28] | sphery: | and I pull listings from production system and drop them in dev system |
| [02:17:06] | wagnerrp: | i can always just clone off a new database every time i want to test something |
| [02:17:19] | Beirdo: | I'll have to determine how I want to re-engineer that once I get the new machine(s), etc |
| [02:17:21] | wagnerrp: | let it upgrade for each use |
| [02:18:29] | sphery: | yeah, I figured it's actually easier not to have to worry about changing hostname/settings/... each time |
| [02:19:07] | Beirdo: | so many morons around here |
| [02:19:23] | Beirdo: | here being physically, not the channel :) |
| [02:20:07] | sphery: | just made a bash script :) that pulls the relevant info from the most recent backup of production and does some other stuff (like setting settings for last mfdb run and doing some truncates and ...) |
| [02:20:28] | Beirdo: | you're making iamlindoro proud :) |
| [02:20:40] | sphery: | yeah... bash can do anything! |
| [02:20:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It should really be included as a core MythTV feature |
| [02:21:09] | sphery: | I figured I'd throw it in contrib, then let people become dependent on it, then abandon it as it bitrots |
| [02:21:10] | ** wagnerrp suggests we just rewrite mythbackend in bash ** | |
| [02:21:10] | Beirdo: | what? bash should be builtin? ;) |
| [02:21:17] | sphery: | oh, yeah |
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| [02:21:40] | Beirdo: | make mythfrontend your login shell :) |
| [02:21:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:22:10] | sphery: | yeah, that would save some RAM, and we all know how important it is to save RAM |
| [02:22:26] | sphery: | I don't need any window manager--and now, I don't need a bash login shell |
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| [02:23:16] | Beirdo: | the funny thing is... there might just be someone insane enough to try to do it |
| [02:23:23] | iamlindoro: | "it makes no sense not to run this as a user job on all recordings. This should be an included mythtv feature. " |
| [02:23:28] | iamlindoro: | theerrrree we go |
| [02:23:50] | awalls: | bug report? |
| [02:24:27] | sphery: | I think he was making one up |
| [02:24:34] | iamlindoro: | random many-thousand line bash script that someone was angry we didn't want to include |
| [02:25:11] | iamlindoro: | and one that replicated the behaviors of several existing portions of plugins and python scripts too |
| [02:25:35] | awalls: | CLosed -> fixed in past release |
| [02:25:53] | iamlindoro: | closed->ReporterInsane |
| [02:25:58] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [02:26:02] | sphery: | I know which one, now |
| [02:26:09] | wagnerrp: | if he makes any more stink, i swear im going to rewrite that thing in under 100 lines |
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| [02:43:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://www.tv.com/untitled/story/22270.html?t . . . news;title;4 |
| [02:43:32] | iamlindoro: | woo hoo! |
| [02:44:02] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [03:02:37] | Beirdo: | Oh this is just swell |
| [03:02:50] | Beirdo: | the processor I want to use... has just not enough timers |
| [03:02:55] | Beirdo: | crud |
| [03:03:28] | Beirdo: | back to Atmel's site we go |
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| [03:11:58] | Beirdo: | sigh |
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| [03:25:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: weren't you saying something about suspend becoming less useful as RAM increases? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8295 |
| [03:25:28] | wagnerrp: | suspend works just fine |
| [03:25:36] | wagnerrp: | i was saying hibernate becomes less useful |
| [03:25:45] | sphery: | ah |
| [03:26:00] | wagnerrp: | when it takes you 2 minutes to dump your 8GB memory image back off the hard drive |
| [03:26:02] | wagnerrp: | why bother |
| [03:26:06] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [03:26:16] | sphery: | how much poewr is a typical suspended system? |
| [03:26:31] | [R]: | like a few watts |
| [03:26:36] | sphery: | not too bad |
| [03:26:52] | sphery: | I've always just used shutdown... |
| [03:27:05] | [R]: | i wish i could suspend m yfrontend... but its root is on a systme that turns off |
| [03:27:10] | sphery: | figure minimal power is better than a few seconds |
| [03:27:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its certainly worth a couple bucks a year to me to have a couple second bootup |
| [03:27:24] | [R]: | i guess i could write some kind of magic to pivot to a ramdisk and unmount t he root nfs |
| [03:27:47] | kormoc: | sphery: on laptops they tend to run under 3 watts when suspended iirc |
| [03:27:52] | ** Beirdo screams at himself... check for peripheral availability next time, tard! ** | |
| [03:28:02] | wagnerrp: | my laptop runs on a couple hundred milliwatts |
| [03:28:10] | wagnerrp: | on a new battery, i got like two weeks on standby |
| [03:28:38] | kormoc: | huh |
| [03:30:08] | wagnerrp: | i bet most of the power consumption of a normal PC is due to the PSU |
| [03:30:47] | [R]: | i dont think they are very efficient sometimes |
| [03:31:01] | wagnerrp: | theyre very efficient within normal operating range |
| [03:31:18] | wagnerrp: | but running at 0.1% load is not 'normal operating range' |
| [03:31:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:31:38] | sphery: | even 80 PLUS only guarantees performance at 20% load and above |
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| [03:31:58] | sphery: | (though some of the higher--like Gold? maybe Silver--guarantees at all loads) |
| [03:32:36] | wagnerrp: | whereas my laptop was running on a nearly 100% efficient DC-DC supply |
| [03:32:52] | sphery: | guess not... |
| [03:32:57] | sphery: | it's only 20%+ |
| [03:33:07] | wagnerrp: | i probably pulled a couple watts when using the AC supply |
| [03:34:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: how much ram? |
| [03:34:36] | Beirdo: | well, I'll recode for the new processor... tomorrow |
| [03:34:39] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [03:34:42] | wagnerrp: | 384MB |
| [03:34:50] | wagnerrp: | SDR |
| [03:34:52] | kormoc: | looks like my MBP uses around 3 watts with 2gb installed and uses almost 5 with 4gb |
| [03:35:16] | wagnerrp: | entirely possible newer memory requires more power to sustain |
| [03:38:13] | sphery: | how are you guys getting these measures? |
| [03:38:28] | wagnerrp: | power monitor on my laptop |
| [03:38:42] | wagnerrp: | it only refreshed every couple seconds |
| [03:38:55] | wagnerrp: | so i would get the standby power consumption for a second or two after coming out of it |
| [03:38:56] | sphery: | but if it's suspended? |
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| [03:39:11] | sphery: | so, based on difference from before/after? |
| [03:39:30] | sphery: | or it actually records while suspended |
| [03:39:42] | wagnerrp: | it actually records |
| [03:39:50] | sphery: | nice |
| [03:39:52] | wagnerrp: | its some hardware on the motherboard |
| [03:39:58] | wagnerrp: | that the program polls over ACPI |
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| [03:40:05] | wagnerrp: | some special ACPI hooks |
| [03:40:10] | kormoc: | I was using apple forum results, but they're wrong, 1.11W http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/d . . . l-Report.pdf |
| [03:40:50] | kormoc: | or it's changed from the earlier ones to now |
| [03:41:23] | wagnerrp: | either way, its within the range of a couple bucks |
| [03:41:36] | wagnerrp: | (per year) |
| [03:41:38] | sphery: | yeah, 3W isn't bad |
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| [03:41:49] | sphery: | so worst case, $3 or so |
| [03:42:03] | sphery: | (-amount for time not suspended) |
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| [03:42:34] | jst_: | Anyone here use mythbuntu repos? |
| [03:42:42] | wagnerrp: | [R]: why cant you put the boot server on a machine that is always online? |
| [03:43:06] | sphery: | ok, maybe it's about $3/Wyr... |
| [03:43:13] | sphery: | or maybe it's too late for me to be doing math |
| [03:43:31] | sphery: | too late for math |
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| [03:44:20] | wagnerrp: | [R]: why cant you put the boot server on a machine that is always online? |
| [03:45:02] | wagnerrp: | or do you just have no machines always online? |
| [03:45:16] | sphery: | at 3W * 24hr/day * 365day/yr, that's 8.76kW hr/yr = about $1.05 at $0.12/kWh |
| [03:45:34] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i dont have any... i just have my backend |
| [03:45:52] | kormoc: | [R]: so... you don't have the root shutdown when clients are connceted to it? |
| [03:45:55] | sphery: | they should make a cloud for that... |
| [03:46:22] | [R]: | kormoc: when the frontend shutts off so does the backend... |
| [03:46:27] | wagnerrp: | [R]: if youve got enough memory, you could dump minimyth onto a ramdisk |
| [03:46:39] | kormoc: | [R]: and the backend isn't WOL? |
| [03:46:53] | [R]: | kormoc: root nfs |
| [03:47:09] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [03:47:14] | kormoc: | missed that, sorry |
| [03:47:37] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you could do it, but you would need the WOL capability built into whatever program you have put you in standby |
| [03:47:43] | wagnerrp: | to ensure its loaded in memory |
| [03:47:52] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [03:47:54] | [R]: | it'd be interesting to come up with some kind of pivot to switch to a ramdisk that had wol and would switch back to the nfs |
| [03:48:01] | [R]: | but in the end... how much time would i save anywaay |
| [03:48:08] | [R]: | i'm usually not sitting there waiting for it to boot |
| [03:48:14] | wagnerrp: | about a minute? |
| [03:48:20] | [R]: | yeah |
| [03:48:25] | sphery: | +1 on the doesn't save enough time to worry about it |
| [03:48:33] | sphery: | my boots are very fast... |
| [03:48:36] | [R]: | it'd be a fun thing to play with |
| [03:48:42] | wagnerrp: | mine are slow... |
| [03:48:43] | sphery: | These boots were made for running...fast! |
| [03:48:48] | kormoc: | I just never powerdown |
| [03:48:50] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [03:48:55] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, +1 |
| [03:49:07] | iamlindoro: | I never worry about boot time since I never see it ;) |
| [03:49:08] | sphery: | I have many that run continuously, too |
| [03:49:13] | sphery: | gotta let them find the alienz |
| [03:49:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my backend stay on all the time as well |
| [03:49:33] | sphery: | my backends are 24/7 + 2 other servers |
| [03:49:37] | kormoc: | I'm down to mythbox, mac pro and macbook pro at home and a linode for my server |
| [03:49:57] | kormoc: | well, once things are setup |
| [03:50:06] | ** kormoc taps his foot waiting for tuesday's delivery ** | |
| [03:50:18] | sphery: | that will be good exercise |
| [03:50:32] | sphery: | nervous fidgeting burns lots of calories |
| [03:50:33] | wagnerrp: | tuesday's delivery of... Beirdo? |
| [03:50:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: nah, Tomorrow my computer desk shows up, Tuesday my entertainment stand shows up |
| [03:51:12] | kormoc: | so I'll have a bit cleaner living room after that gets all setup |
| [03:51:21] | kormoc: | right now things are sorta scattered around the floor |
| [03:54:14] | sphery: | so, watching NCIS: Los Angeles, and the bad guy just erased all the images someone got while spying on people... The OS actually displayed each image and said, "Deleting," then the image disappeared. I wonder why my system doesn't do that. |
| [03:55:39] | kormoc: | sphery: for file in *.jpg; do kpreview $file; xosd "Deleting $file"; rm $file; killall kpreview; done |
| [03:55:54] | sphery: | nice |
| [03:56:09] | sphery: | don't forget to delete the kpreview thumbs it generates after, right? |
| [03:56:15] | kormoc: | ooh, right |
| [03:56:24] | sphery: | (I don't use kpreview--or KD<anything>--so just guessing) |
| [03:56:35] | kormoc: | could use the create-details-from-thin-air-algro to enlarge them! |
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| [03:57:05] | wagnerrp: | enhance |
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| [03:57:07] | wagnerrp: | ajdnvjanfdlkvjnldkfjnldvsldjv |
| [03:57:14] | sphery: | Yeah, I applied that to the background in Arclight. That's one image I'll never get out of my head. The dreams...they're getting worse, now. |
| [03:57:41] | kormoc: | haha |
| [03:58:06] | kormoc: | I want a enhance for text so I can write a sentence and have it write a novel |
| [03:58:14] | sphery: | nice |
| [03:58:43] | sphery: | that would be hilarious to do a spoof of the CSI stuff with aalib images |
| [03:58:46] | ** wagnerrp starts up blade runner... in ach dee ** | |
| [03:59:01] | sphery: | start with a nice 72pt font, then enhance to 14, then ... down to 4 |
| [03:59:08] | kormoc: | haha, nice |
| [03:59:12] | sphery: | er, through 14, down to 4 |
| [03:59:28] | ** iamlindoro fills his flamethrower ** | |
| [03:59:35] | iamlindoro: | I have some new backgrounds for you |
| [03:59:47] | wagnerrp: | trogdor!!!! |
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| [03:59:58] | iamlindoro: | BURNINATE |
| [04:00:39] | iamlindoro: | the new Dr. Who companion is a hottie |
| [04:00:53] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately I have to wait 13 more days to see her be hot on TV |
| [04:01:13] | sphery: | that's SciFi channel? |
| [04:01:18] | iamlindoro: | BBC America |
| [04:01:21] | sphery: | oh |
| [04:01:29] | sphery: | still, not OTA channel |
| [04:01:29] | kormoc: | but you can watch her on YouTube singing covers of "I kissed a girl" |
| [04:02:24] | iamlindoro: | boo, wrong hair color! |
| [04:02:34] | wagnerrp: | our friends on that other media player that doesnt hate freedom are watching it right now |
| [04:02:36] | kormoc: | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfI-ZHZ2eRM for those wondering ) |
| [04:03:39] | iamlindoro: | not the same when she's not a redhead |
| [04:03:56] | kormoc: | true enough |
| [04:04:31] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, the Doctah wants to be free |
| [04:05:07] | kormoc: | Boo! DirectTV's on demand service requires a PVR |
| [04:05:33] | kormoc: | it's no ondemand, it's called using a pvr... |
| [04:06:13] | kormoc: | You have to request the on demand show and wait for it to play and get recorded before watching it, or you could schedule it on your pvr for it to record before you can watch it |
| [04:06:24] | kormoc: | I fail to see the difference between the two |
| [04:06:55] | wagnerrp: | is that like that crappy sky service which records the 'on demand' stuff during idle time? |
| [04:07:08] | wagnerrp: | and consumes 2/3 of your disk space to do so |
| [04:07:14] | kormoc: | nah, it won't auto record |
| [04:07:23] | kormoc: | you have to ask it to record the show and will do so when it plays |
| [04:07:37] | kormoc: | or you can set the pvr to record it |
| [04:08:02] | sphery: | Wish you could schedule an on-demand recording on your DirecTV DVR when you're on the train? There's an app for that! |
| [04:08:11] | iamlindoro: | wouldn't that be VAD? |
| [04:08:16] | iamlindoro: | Video After Demand? |
| [04:08:26] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: aye, but they're calling it on demand |
| [04:08:28] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [04:08:29] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [04:08:53] | wagnerrp: | i cant watch blade runner at the computer |
| [04:09:11] | wagnerrp: | i think thats one that should be reserved for a TV in a darkened room only |
| [04:09:43] | sphery: | I think the real question here is when /does/ it become a video? Only during display? Wasn't it a video when it was originally encoded? Isn't it a video when the DVR is recording it to disk? |
| [04:09:55] | sphery: | If a video plays and no one sees it, is it a video? |
| [04:10:15] | wagnerrp: | !trout sphery metaphysics claptrap |
| [04:10:15] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a metaphysics claptrap trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [04:10:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:10:35] | wagnerrp: | go die under a falling tree |
| [04:10:35] | wagnerrp: | :P |
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| [04:10:47] | kormoc: | does the claptrap dance? |
| [04:10:52] | sphery: | if a tree falls in the woods and kills the only guy there, does it make a noise? |
| [04:10:55] | ** iamlindoro catched the claptrap ** | |
| [04:10:57] | iamlindoro: | catches |
| [04:11:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, it or he? |
| [04:11:55] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:12:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | unfortunately we'll never know |
| [04:12:42] | ** Captain_Murdoch takes that back in the modern era of cell phone video cameras ** | |
| [04:12:47] | _tom: | Hey guys, just moved into a new apartment and it is going to be a while before I get internet service. Is there a way I can downlaod a file (from work) from schedules direct, throw it on a thumb drive and update with mythfilldatabase? |
| [04:13:10] | sphery: | _tom: see mythfilldatabase --help |
| [04:13:27] | kormoc: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLWs1M_HN5g <-- dancing claptrap |
| [04:13:55] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease <--- topical ointment claptrap |
| [04:13:57] | sphery: | _tom: specifically --dd-file . You'll need to use xmltv at work, but you want to download the data in raw format |
| [04:14:30] | _tom: | sphery, thanks I'll check that out |
| [04:15:20] | sphery: | _tom: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/328813#328813 |
| [04:15:30] | sphery: | there's a better post from R. Eden |
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| [04:17:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: wtf was that? |
| [04:18:03] | wagnerrp: | thats from borderlands? |
| [04:18:05] | sphery: | what was what? |
| [04:18:14] | wagnerrp: | oh, kormoc posted that |
| [04:18:19] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:18:27] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: wtf was that? |
| [04:18:31] | sphery: | sounds like I need to watch that |
| [04:18:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: you brought claptraps into it! ;) |
| [04:20:41] | wagnerrp: | how does a one-wheeled robot turn in place? |
| [04:20:57] | kormoc: | magic |
| [04:21:24] | sphery: | _tom: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283098#283098 the mythdatabaseload stuff is made up--you'd use mythfilldatabase --dd-file with the appropriate source information (see mythfilldatabase --help) |
| [04:21:45] | sphery: | I'm losing it... Took me 6 mins to find that one. |
| [04:22:28] | _tom: | haha, thank! Can't wait to have my myth back :~) |
| [04:22:49] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [04:22:52] | wagnerrp: | 'a while' being more than two weeks? |
| [04:23:21] | _tom: | yeah, long story... |
| [04:24:29] | ** sphery considers just how much he'd get done if he didn't have the Internet for 2 weeks... ** | |
| [04:25:05] | wagnerrp: | none, you would be too busy concocting larger and larger antennae trying to find someone's open wifi |
| [04:25:16] | sphery: | lol |
| [04:25:30] | sphery: | but without the Internet, how would I know how to build a cantenna? |
| [04:25:36] | sphery: | (then a garbage-cantenna) |
| [04:25:44] | kormoc: | you'd go insane and figure out how |
| [04:25:56] | sphery: | necessity is the mother of invention |
| [04:26:40] | sphery: | There is a Panera about a mile from my house... Should be reachable with proper equipment (and a high enough vantage) |
| [04:26:43] | wagnerrp: | seems the FRWOP made it to the wiki |
| [04:26:54] | sphery: | the myth wiki? |
| [04:26:57] | kormoc: | FRWOP? |
| [04:26:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:27:08] | sphery: | quick turnaround :) |
| [04:27:08] | wagnerrp: | the suspend menu option |
| [04:27:11] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [04:27:16] | sphery: | Feature Request WithOut Patch |
| [04:27:22] | kormoc: | righto |
| [04:27:26] | wagnerrp: | no patch, it made it to the wishlist |
| [04:27:56] | sphery: | yeah, still, I didn't think many users made it beyond the ticket stage to actually filing the fr |
| [04:28:05] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you liked borderlands? |
| [04:28:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: loved it |
| [04:28:19] | wagnerrp: | so worth $25? |
| [04:28:33] | wagnerrp: | half off through tomorrow morning |
| [04:28:35] | kormoc: | Yeah, I think so |
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| [04:28:51] | kormoc: | the DLC is sorta hit or miss, but the main game is pretty solid |
| [04:29:02] | kormoc: | (the zombie DLC is good, the others, meh) |
| [04:30:49] | ** wagnerrp complains about the 4hr download ** | |
| [04:31:14] | kormoc: | heh |
| [04:31:42] | wagnerrp: | fiber oh fiber, where for art thou fiber |
| [04:32:11] | kormoc: | 35 minutes north of me :( |
| [04:32:31] | wagnerrp: | a two minute walk to the apartments on the avenue |
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| [04:38:18] | wagnerrp: | 'everquest: seeds of destruction is the fifteenth expansion to.... ' |
| [04:38:22] | wagnerrp: | seriously? fifteen? |
| [04:39:12] | kormoc: | they take the ever in everquest very seriously |
| [04:40:33] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... commander keen pack for $5 |
| [04:44:12] | wagnerrp: | i wish they would list the actual release date, rather than when it reached steam |
| [04:44:29] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [04:52:15] | wagnerrp: | halflife still goes for $10 |
| [04:52:25] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure ive got multiple free copies of that laying around |
| [04:53:31] | wagnerrp: | Halflife: Lost Coast for $10 |
| [04:53:43] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was just a tech demo |
| [04:56:26] | kormoc: | it was |
| [04:56:32] | kormoc: | and it's free to folks who own hl2 |
| [04:57:30] | iamlindoro: | I want more HL2 |
| [04:57:36] | kormoc: | agree |
| [04:57:44] | iamlindoro: | they haven't even *announced* Ep3 so it'll be a while |
| [04:57:45] | kormoc: | I'm saddened by the lack of E3 |
| [04:58:02] | iamlindoro: | Hopefully the fan-made Black Mesa project is ready soon, that is amazing looking |
| [04:58:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32_q_3es8E&am . . . yer_embedded |
| [04:58:39] | iamlindoro: | pew pew! |
| [04:59:24] | kormoc: | awesome |
| [05:01:11] | kormoc: | Valve is a strage company |
| [05:02:12] | wagnerrp: | you know, i really hate it when i find a piece of classical music i like |
| [05:02:38] | wagnerrp: | so hard to find a version that hasnt been butchered |
| [05:04:33] | wagnerrp: | too many people get a violin and think they can play |
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| [06:00:41] | [R]: | ok this is driving me nuts |
| [06:01:13] | [R]: | when does mythvideo decide to show a cover for a directory and when does it not |
| [06:01:21] | [R]: | cuz i have abunch of dirs with them... and i have one w/o |
| [06:01:46] | wagnerrp: | it will pick the first image it finds of content directly under that directory |
| [06:02:06] | wagnerrp: | it will decent a second directory if any shows there in have the same title as the directory name |
| [06:02:40] | [R]: | oh... thats why |
| [06:02:49] | [R]: | because the directory is "Enterprise" and the title is "Star Trek: Enterprise" |
| [06:03:00] | wagnerrp: | that would do it |
| [06:03:02] | [R]: | is there a way to tell it what it shoudl be? |
| [06:03:14] | wagnerrp: | change the show title to 'Enterprise' |
| [06:03:17] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:03:33] | [R]: | well thats from tvdb... so i could just rename the dir... but can i tell it in the db what the coverart should be? |
| [06:03:34] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:03:40] | wagnerrp: | you can use a 'folder.jpg' |
| [06:03:44] | wagnerrp: | but that only works for coverart |
| [06:03:59] | [R]: | i'd rather not put a file in there |
| [06:04:04] | [R]: | i'll just rename it i guess |
| [06:08:25] | [R]: | i swear, like twice mythvideo has auto marked somethnig as watched |
| [06:08:27] | [R]: | but i can't figure out how |
| [06:08:37] | wagnerrp: | did you watch it? |
| [06:08:40] | [R]: | yes |
| [06:08:45] | [R]: | but i watch lots of stuff |
| [06:08:45] | wagnerrp: | well there you go |
| [06:08:49] | [R]: | and they usually don't get marked as watched |
| [06:08:55] | wagnerrp: | 'watched' is something new |
| [06:09:00] | wagnerrp: | added in 0.23 |
| [06:09:04] | [R]: | 22 has it |
| [06:09:07] | wagnerrp: | (i believe) |
| [06:09:10] | wagnerrp: | or i could be wrong |
| [06:09:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe you have to watch it to completion |
| [06:09:35] | wagnerrp: | and let the player exit out |
| [06:09:38] | [R]: | i've tried that |
| [06:09:55] | [R]: | the only 2 times i remember it happening |
| [06:09:58] | [R]: | the files were in the root dir |
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| [07:07:55] | Jester86: | hey guys, any of you have experience running a torrent client on your mythtv MBE |
| [07:08:08] | wagnerrp: | no... |
| [07:08:17] | ** wagnerrp points to the rules page in the topic ** | |
| [07:08:27] | Jester86: | I just set mine up to use deluge but I wonder if its too system resource intensive.. my mythtv MBE is only a P4 |
| [07:08:55] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, whats wrong about talking about a torrent client.. just b/c you're using a torrent client doesn't mean you are using it to pirate |
| [07:09:12] | wagnerrp: | in the context of mythtv, it almost certainly does |
| [07:09:22] | Jester86: | I think I use it to download far more open source .iso's than anything else |
| [07:09:36] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, but then that has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [07:09:39] | Jester86: | I'm just tired of having it run on my main box b/c I don't want to keep this box on all the time anymore |
| [07:09:42] | kormoc: | It's not a welcome topic in this channel and it's covered in the rules as such |
| [07:09:59] | Jester86: | yes it does, I'm wonder which version would play well enough w/ myth |
| [07:10:23] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc | |
| [07:10:37] | wagnerrp: | might want to drop it at this point |
| [07:10:38] | kormoc: | I'll repeat once again, it is *not* a welcome topic in this channel |
| [07:10:51] | Jester86: | just in general I'm trying to decide if transimission is less intensive than deluge.. I can't tell a difference on my machine |
| [07:10:55] | Jester86: | alright fine.. g's |
| [07:11:06] | Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!~kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc | |
| [07:11:56] | Jester86: | can you guys at least tell me whether or not you run any other tasks on your MBE's .. I want to built a linux router but I don't know if I should use my MBE for that or wait till I can afford more than one box |
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| [07:12:14] | Jester86: | I plan on building a new box for the MBE in the near future tho |
| [07:12:21] | [R]: | Jester86: well look at your cpu usage and see what you have free |
| [07:12:24] | wagnerrp: | are you using any framegrabbers? |
| [07:12:54] | Jester86: | I've got all hardware encoding tuners |
| [07:13:10] | wagnerrp: | in that case, mythtv will use next to no CPU |
| [07:13:15] | kormoc: | commflaggins h264? |
| [07:13:22] | wagnerrp: | it will use a couple second burst every so often to do the scheduler |
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| [07:13:40] | wagnerrp: | and then a big amount for maybe 15 minutes, once a day to run MFD |
| [07:13:44] | Jester86: | currently I don't have h264 capabilities with my system |
| [07:13:51] | Jester86: | none of my FE's have the power :-\ |
| [07:14:11] | wagnerrp: | other than that, just transcoding and commflagging through the jobqueue, which can be disabled per-machine |
| [07:14:25] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [07:14:25] | wagnerrp: | and a couple hundred MB of RAM usage |
| [07:14:42] | Jester86: | I wish that mobo had more sata ports |
| [07:15:01] | Jester86: | its only got 2 sata ports on it so I feel like it needs to hit the curb :-\ |
| [07:15:38] | GenericHuman: | morning everyone ( morning for those living in the CET region that is ) |
| [07:15:40] | wagnerrp: | DDR or DDR2? |
| [07:15:43] | Jester86: | DDR |
| [07:15:47] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [07:15:58] | Jester86: | exactly.. |
| [07:16:06] | Jester86: | its an old box I build back in high school |
| [07:16:12] | Jester86: | its working as a MBE/FE |
| [07:16:15] | Jester86: | but.. |
| [07:16:17] | wagnerrp: | DDR2, and you could get a fairly nice upgrade for $120 |
| [07:16:29] | wagnerrp: | memory would tack on another $50 to that |
| [07:16:30] | Jester86: | well i have 2 gigs of ram in it.. |
| [07:16:42] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, its not upgradable |
| [07:16:48] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [07:17:03] | Jester86: | I just don't know what to do myth wise |
| [07:17:15] | Jester86: | I'm tempted to build an all new server box but not sure |
| [07:17:40] | Jester86: | I'll also need to be building all new FE box(es) |
| [07:18:42] | Jester86: | all of my tuner cards are PCI which also causes issues |
| [07:19:10] | Jester86: | how well do you think I could get away with recording to a NFS? |
| [07:19:32] | wagnerrp: | works just fine for me |
| [07:19:47] | Jester86: | I could build a new computer, making it be the MBE / NFS / LINUX ROUTER / ETC.. |
| [07:20:17] | Jester86: | and then I could use my old box just as a slave box containing my old PCI cards |
| [07:20:40] | kormoc: | why bother making it a slave, just make it the master recording to nfs |
| [07:20:48] | kormoc: | no need for the other one to even run the backend |
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| [07:21:07] | GenericHuman: | been reading up on mythtv as home entertainment system, in a month from now I'll be installing satellite dish, and I'm still not sure of going for a myth installation, or get me a tuner, most tuners seem alright but limited in certain areas ( dreambox 8000HD with some addons is very nice but also very expensive) |
| [07:21:11] | Jester86: | I have (4) PCI tuners.. most pc's I've been looking at, at best you get (3) PCI slots |
| [07:21:25] | wagnerrp: | dreambox is not supported by mythtv |
| [07:22:04] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, are any sat receivers supported by myth? |
| [07:22:23] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: hes saying just keep the P4 as the master backend, since it will have all the tuners |
| [07:22:36] | wagnerrp: | unless you plan on purchasing additional tuners to put in the new machine |
| [07:23:14] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, ohh.. well it can only take 2 sata ports.. so I'd be limited to ~ 2 TB of recording space |
| [07:23:26] | kormoc: | Jester86: no, you can still record to the nfs mount just fine |
| [07:23:38] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, I may also be getting an HD capture decide however most of them are USB aren't thye? |
| [07:23:50] | GenericHuman: | can mythtv be installed on atom type boards? and run hd material? |
| [07:24:07] | [R]: | GenericHuman: a vdpau atom board can do hd just fine |
| [07:24:07] | kormoc: | GenericHuman: we don't really support boxes. If you want HD, pretty much your only option would be to get a hdpvr and use that to capture off of your satellite receiver |
| [07:24:12] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: the dreambox is a special hacked satellite receiver, with a USB video output tied in just after the CAM, but before any of the normal DRM takes place |
| [07:24:15] | Jester86: | well my other concern is, I don't know how much live is left in that old box.. if the CPU/Mobo goes out I'm done w/ it so I'd like to keep the MBE on a new machine |
| [07:24:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support that special USB interface |
| [07:24:33] | wagnerrp: | however it otherwise supports the box as well as any other such set top box |
| [07:24:54] | wagnerrp: | namely through analog capture, and external channel changer (ir blaster, firewire, serial, etc...) |
| [07:25:08] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, ohh I get what you're saying now.. I'd considered trying to set up a FTA setup before but never have |
| [07:25:30] | wagnerrp: | FTA has nothing to do with a dreambox, and will work just fine with DVB-C cards |
| [07:25:30] | GenericHuman: | so DVB-S2 cards are not yet supported in mythtv? |
| [07:25:38] | Jester86: | if one were to do FTA, is there a particular brand of receiver? |
| [07:25:39] | wagnerrp: | err... DVB-S |
| [07:26:00] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: one would want to check out what is actually available first |
| [07:26:10] | wagnerrp: | before purchasing several hundred dollars worth of hardware |
| [07:26:14] | [R]: | Jester86: FTA is mostly crap and not worth the time |
| [07:26:31] | wagnerrp: | only to find youre limited to a bunch of shopping, religious, and foreign language channels |
| [07:26:32] | Jester86: | yeah but if I do FTA i want to use a receiver box to make it portable.. could take it to my grandpa's cabin.. |
| [07:26:49] | kormoc: | GenericHuman: we support any DVB cards shown as supported on linuxtv.org |
| [07:27:02] | wagnerrp: | GenericHuman: and that includes DVB-S2 |
| [07:27:25] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: check lyngsat, theres not a whole lot there worthwhile |
| [07:27:38] | Jester86: | well my thoughts are, I could set the thing up and play with it here.. once i've had my fun I'd just set it up at the cabin .. even if its crap tv at least it'd be something lol |
| [07:27:57] | wagnerrp: | also understand that for FTA in the US, your standard 18" dish generally wont cut it |
| [07:28:03] | wagnerrp: | were talking about a big 8' job |
| [07:28:06] | [R]: | Jester86: then what do you need myth for? |
| [07:28:33] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, you only need an 8' for C band.. Ku 36–48" |
| [07:28:43] | GenericHuman: | so i can setup S2 in backend, the stream to frontend and let that atomboard do the decoding :) |
| [07:28:56] | [R]: | GenericHuman: thats the point of the seperate backend/frontend |
| [07:29:00] | Jester86: | [R], I have a full myth system at home.. I'd like to tie it in while its here.. may decide to keep it even :-\ |
| [07:29:09] | [R]: | Jester86: so do it then |
| [07:29:13] | [R]: | Jester86: but fta is useless |
| [07:30:26] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: youre about half and half between whats available on C and Ku |
| [07:30:29] | Jester86: | [R], yeah I'm seeing there doesn't appear to be a lot :-\ ... tho it'd still be interesting to try if I could get the parts for cheap.. think we have an old ~40" dish sat here at the house, previous owners |
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| [07:31:42] | Jester86: | I really don't get why ppl bother pirating sat.. I would assume providers change the encryption so often its pointless to try to keep up with it |
| [07:31:58] | Jester86: | I would assume you'd have 1 week up for every 2–3 weeks down |
| [07:32:24] | wagnerrp: | i know someone in college who used to do it, he would cycle the keys every 2–3 weeks, and would have a couple hours down time in between |
| [07:32:51] | Jester86: | see that just seems like too much of a time investment tho |
| [07:32:51] | wagnerrp: | either way, also off limits in here |
| [07:33:14] | Jester86: | yeah, I just don't see why people do it, other than to occupy time I guess lol |
| [07:33:27] | Jester86: | but back to the subject of what I should do w/ my computer fleet |
| [07:33:47] | Jester86: | I've got 2 old P4 boxes, one is pretty much ONLY a FE as its a dell slim tower |
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| [07:33:59] | wagnerrp: | and only a SD one at that |
| [07:34:06] | wagnerrp: | a P4 wont handle much in the way of HD |
| [07:34:06] | Jester86: | the other P4 is MBE/FE currently |
| [07:34:29] | Jester86: | yeah i know.. but i could prob use it in the shop.. lol |
| [07:34:55] | Jester86: | I can at last watch OTA 1080 lol |
| [07:35:23] | wagnerrp: | using XvMC? |
| [07:35:31] | Jester86: | ? |
| [07:35:52] | wagnerrp: | what speed is the processor? |
| [07:35:58] | Jester86: | I have 2 digital recorders that I can get OTA from.. |
| [07:36:11] | Jester86: | one is a P4 2.4ghz, the other is P4 2.8ghz |
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| [07:36:32] | wagnerrp: | the 2.8 MIGHT pull it off |
| [07:36:43] | wagnerrp: | but the 2.4 would likely choke without XvMC |
| [07:36:46] | Jester86: | I watch OTA on both of them all the time |
| [07:36:59] | wagnerrp: | either that, or youve got low bitrate broadcasts in your area |
| [07:37:17] | Jester86: | well the tuners I have are older too.. |
| [07:37:22] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [07:37:25] | wagnerrp: | its a digital tuner |
| [07:37:47] | Jester86: | yeah true.. |
| [07:37:56] | Jester86: | idk, so far I haven't run into any problems |
| [07:37:56] | wagnerrp: | the most is does to the stream is remultiplexing |
| [07:38:11] | wagnerrp: | based off your defined filters |
| [07:38:11] | Jester86: | and I've used the factory mythbuntu installs for all of it |
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| [07:39:12] | Jester86: | I dunno man |
| [07:39:40] | Jester86: | I still don't know what to do server wise.. :-\ |
| [07:40:06] | Jester86: | would you guys combine everything on one box? |
| [07:40:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont like combining router/firewall with other services |
| [07:40:26] | Jester86: | linux router, myth MBE, NFS, etc |
| [07:40:26] | wagnerrp: | but thats just me |
| [07:40:46] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [07:41:02] | Jester86: | but would you put myth MBE and NFS together? |
| [07:41:07] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, i throw anything and everything i can on my MBE |
| [07:41:15] | Jester86: | ok |
| [07:41:40] | Jester86: | I bet that P4 is eating energy compared to my Q9400 |
| [07:41:49] | wagnerrp: | on idle, sure |
| [07:41:56] | wagnerrp: | but the 9400 will pull more under load |
| [07:42:26] | Jester86: | yeah but prob not when under a comparable load.. |
| [07:42:50] | Jester86: | I mean 50% usage on a P4 isn't 50% usage on a q9400 |
| [07:43:24] | wagnerrp: | no, but youll typically either be running >90% or <10% |
| [07:43:42] | wagnerrp: | at least for one core |
| [07:43:47] | Jester86: | yeah true |
| [07:43:55] | Jester86: | well played sir.. |
| [07:44:26] | wagnerrp: | but i the Core2s have some capacity to shut down unused cores |
| [07:44:32] | wagnerrp: | and will be done with the task far faster |
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| [07:45:10] | Jester86: | so for a MBE would u get a c2d or quad? |
| [07:45:41] | Jester86: | the box I'm on currently is a quad 2.66 .. I'm half tempted to turn this beast into a MBE and build a new main pc |
| [07:45:43] | wagnerrp: | for only a backend? a dual core should suffice |
| [07:45:58] | clever: | MBE doesnt need very much power, i just bearly get by with a P2 400mhz |
| [07:46:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but those scheduler runs are painful |
| [07:46:16] | clever: | the only real hard work it has is scheduling (takes 50 seconds) and mythfilldatabase |
| [07:46:23] | clever: | yep |
| [07:46:28] | Jester86: | well my MBE will be running, myth (obv), torrent client, NFS, etc |
| [07:46:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: but those are also fairly single threaded, so dual core wont help them much |
| [07:46:54] | Jester86: | do you guys run your MBE w/o a FE or do you dual purpose it? |
| [07:47:08] | wagnerrp: | MBE is headless |
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| [07:47:24] | wagnerrp: | in a big double-wide case in the basement |
| [07:47:26] | clever: | my MBE is in a closet with no monitor/keyboard/speakers |
| [07:47:46] | Jester86: | my MBE is currently running FE in the livingroom |
| [07:47:58] | kormoc: | Jester86: stop mentioning the torrent client... |
| [07:47:59] | clever: | mine is in a nice dell case where EVERYTHING comes out on hinges or drawers |
| [07:48:01] | clever: | even the PSU and isa/pci riser card |
| [07:48:12] | kormoc: | my MBE is also my FE, it's a single mac mini under the tv |
| [07:48:18] | Jester86: | I have a really nice looking HTPC case.. feel kind of :-\ about not continuing to use it for a MBE lol |
| [07:48:24] | Jester86: | sorry kormoc |
| [07:48:37] | clever: | Jester86: id use that as the frontend then |
| [07:48:54] | clever: | get a butt-ugly case for your master, and hide it out of sight |
| [07:49:15] | Jester86: | clever, i could just put the new pc out there too tho .. |
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| [07:49:52] | Jester86: | only thing is.. if I'm going to pay the money to get a decent graphix card for the FE, I'd like to dual boot it into windows so I could play my RC flight sim out on the 52" |
| [07:50:44] | clever: | ive got GFX intense games working fine with wine on my laptop |
| [07:51:24] | Jester86: | how long does it take the normal FE to boot up? |
| [07:51:35] | wagnerrp: | couple seconds |
| [07:51:42] | Jester86: | I like having my MBE/FE together in the living room b/c the PC is always up and ready |
| [07:52:07] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, how does it only take a couple seconds.. takes all of my machines a while to boot |
| [07:52:23] | wagnerrp: | the frontend takes a couple seconds |
| [07:52:34] | wagnerrp: | however long your distro takes to boot up is nothing we can help with |
| [07:52:41] | Jester86: | yeah true |
| [07:53:00] | Jester86: | thats what the drawback is to having just a FE machine tho |
| [07:53:09] | Jester86: | you don't want to just let it sit on all the time |
| [07:53:21] | Jester86: | but.. its annoying when you have to wait for it to boot b4 watching tv |
| [07:53:30] | wagnerrp: | personally, im at somewhere around 45s |
| [07:53:52] | wagnerrp: | if i rebooted my machines often (giving me a reason to care), i could probably strip that down to half that |
| [07:53:54] | Jester86: | if i weren't using Mythbuntu :( I'm sure it'd be better |
| [07:53:58] | clever: | if your good at linux, you could really rip it down to the bare bones |
| [07:54:10] | zzpat: | Jester86: shrug, we turn on the tv at the wall and the frontend boots, by the time you're settled in the chair and have the tv on it has all booted |
| [07:54:31] | clever: | my HDTV itself takes 20–30 seconds to boot, before the backlight even comes on |
| [07:54:42] | wagnerrp: | thats awful |
| [07:54:49] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 6s on my Samsung was bad |
| [07:55:00] | Jester86: | yeah I suppose .. idk |
| [07:55:06] | clever: | let me time it |
| [07:55:06] | clever: | powering on... |
| [07:55:23] | Jester86: | maybe I should just continue using that as a MBE/FE combo box |
| [07:55:35] | clever: | its on |
| [07:55:35] | clever: | ok, more like 18 seconds |
| [07:56:01] | clever: | wagnerrp: this one is a sony bravia, but the nice thing is the sound system/dvd changer is also a sony bravia |
| [07:56:14] | clever: | i can turn the sound system on/off over hdmi with the tv remote |
| [07:56:36] | clever: | and it automaticaly knows which volume to control based on the 'theater sync' mode |
| [07:56:47] | clever: | and controls the input source on the sound system properly |
| [07:56:48] | Jester86: | do any of you use network remotes? |
| [07:56:58] | wagnerrp: | like a PDA? |
| [07:57:12] | Jester86: | I'm getting a droid b4 long so I considered retiring my samsung sch-i760 to remote use |
| [07:57:20] | clever: | i was writing one for my treo a while back, but the compiler didnt have ANY #include directives |
| [07:57:35] | wagnerrp: | i use the telnet interface and a curses program for some debugging |
| [07:57:41] | wagnerrp: | but just IR for normal use |
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| [07:57:55] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [07:58:01] | clever: | the lirc drivers for my pvr150 card borked several dist-upgrade's ago |
| [07:58:05] | Jester86: | I'd considered looking into voice activation also |
| [07:58:09] | clever: | they refuse to even compile last i tried |
| [07:58:57] | Jester86: | clever, you have the old PVR w/ the integrated IR? |
| [07:59:11] | Jester86: | both of my PVR 150s came w/ USB.. |
| [07:59:19] | clever: | Jester86: its got the ir receiver/blaster on a audio like cable |
| [07:59:29] | Jester86: | yeah.. thats what I thought |
| [07:59:47] | Jester86: | eh you can buy a USB cheap enough |
| [08:00:07] | clever: | and pay twice that on shiping:P |
| [08:00:15] | Jester86: | haha |
| [08:00:17] | Jester86: | tru.. |
| [08:00:31] | Jester86: | man I hate over thinking things lol |
| [08:00:39] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: its not new vs. old |
| [08:00:45] | wagnerrp: | rather vanilla vs. MCE |
| [08:00:54] | Jester86: | I'm still trying to figure out what I should do MBE vs MBE/FE lol |
| [08:01:15] | Jester86: | lol |
| [08:01:21] | Jester86: | any of you use linux MCE? |
| [08:01:36] | Jester86: | I hate how linux MCE only supports very particular hardware |
| [08:01:38] | wagnerrp: | linuxmce == old myth with a bunch of crap tacked on |
| [08:01:51] | Jester86: | yeah.. |
| [08:02:00] | Jester86: | I'm looking into home automation for the future tho |
| [08:02:07] | wagnerrp: | its really the open source version of pluto home |
| [08:02:16] | wagnerrp: | since Pluto only sold specific hardware |
| [08:02:26] | wagnerrp: | linuxmce was tailored to only work with such hardware |
| [08:02:26] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [08:02:56] | Jester86: | it would be nice to have a whole home systemt ho |
| [08:03:04] | Jester86: | maybe I should create such a thing |
| [08:03:24] | clever: | i'm working on controling my furnace with an AVR chip |
| [08:03:25] | wagnerrp: | people have been trying for the last 20 years |
| [08:03:27] | wagnerrp: | good luck |
| [08:04:14] | Jester86: | I'd at least like a security center thats capable of watching cameras for motion then recording that portion and sending it to all FEs that are on |
| [08:04:25] | clever: | Jester86: #motion for that |
| [08:04:31] | wagnerrp: | see zoneminder, mythzoneminder |
| [08:05:00] | Jester86: | clever, whats #motion |
| [08:05:04] | wagnerrp: | a channel |
| [08:05:29] | clever: | Jester86: the motion program will watch cameras and record any pictures/movies of movement |
| [08:05:30] | clever: | and run a script after each event |
| [08:05:44] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [08:05:46] | clever: | that script could then alert every frontend and play the file in the corner |
| [08:06:00] | Jester86: | yeah thats exactly what I thought |
| [08:06:04] | Jester86: | put it in pip |
| [08:06:12] | wagnerrp: | no PIP just yet |
| [08:06:22] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [08:06:22] | wagnerrp: | hopefully in 0.24 with the OSD rewrite |
| [08:06:32] | Jester86: | that'd be interesting to have |
| [08:06:35] | clever: | wagnerrp: nothing stops you from just opening a fully seperate X window from another app |
| [08:06:43] | wagnerrp: | sure, but thats an ugly hack |
| [08:07:02] | clever: | yeah, would be fun to open it ontop but not steal focus |
| [08:07:25] | Jester86: | and have it so if no one responds to the interruption on the FE's it could then forward that clip to you via text/email |
| [08:07:46] | clever: | i found mine had alot of false alarms |
| [08:07:58] | Jester86: | yeah, that'd be the only downside |
| [08:08:02] | clever: | but i have seen clips posted in #motion of it showing who took the car stereo |
| [08:08:12] | Jester86: | lol |
| [08:08:20] | clever: | and my choice of (crappy) usb cams, had horid brightness control |
| [08:08:26] | clever: | during night, its solid brown |
| [08:08:30] | clever: | and during the day, its solid white |
| [08:08:37] | Jester86: | yeah.. |
| [08:09:05] | clever: | but i think it works with any v4l device, so you could throw the old framegrabber in and use a camera from the 80's :P |
| [08:09:21] | Jester86: | at the very least I'd like to have a push button relay at the door that activates the door cam and interrupts FE's showing who's at the door |
| [08:09:39] | Jester86: | maybe use a Voice over IP setup to talk back and forth |
| [08:09:44] | clever: | Jester86: http://hackaday.com/2010/03/27/beginner-conce . . . stead-of-uc/ |
| [08:09:55] | clever: | using this, you can easily wire a few buttons to the computer |
| [08:10:33] | Jester86: | i'll have to check that out |
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| [08:10:55] | Jester86: | I don't understand why computers haven't been implemented more on farms.. |
| [08:11:12] | clever: | commenters on the site kept complaining at how people used a 20mhz avr chip to blink an led or read 2 push buttons |
| [08:11:23] | clever: | and yes, that kind of thing is major overkill |
| [08:11:38] | Jester86: | most farms have feeding systems that use augers to spread feed from a hopper down an open channel.. why not connect that relay to a computer vs having to manually throw it |
| [08:12:07] | clever: | Jester86: http://hackaday.com/2009/12/23/arduino-now-co . . . rop-harvest/ |
| [08:13:23] | Jester86: | awesome.. |
| [08:13:32] | clever: | and deadly if your not carefull |
| [08:13:56] | clever: | for safety, you should still have somebody in the drivers seat at all times |
| [08:14:09] | Jester86: | oh yeah.. |
| [08:14:12] | clever: | but now he can be drinking cofee and reading the paper |
| [08:14:17] | Jester86: | too bad its a win 7 machine :( |
| [08:14:30] | clever: | he probly didnt even need that win7 machine |
| [08:14:38] | Jester86: | yeah true |
| [08:14:38] | clever: | it should be posible to do purely with the arduino |
| [08:14:48] | Jester86: | well maybe to interface w/ the GPS |
| [08:15:00] | clever: | one moment |
| [08:15:07] | Jester86: | ok |
| [08:15:33] | clever: | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info . . . ducts_id=465 |
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| [08:15:39] | clever: | bare gps module, serial |
| [08:15:48] | clever: | hooks right into an AVR or arduino |
| [08:16:13] | Jester86: | haha |
| [08:16:18] | Jester86: | man.. thats pretty interesting |
| [08:16:37] | Jester86: | how do I get a job developing this stuff for a living |
| [08:16:40] | Jester86: | that'd be amazing |
| [08:16:52] | Jester86: | I just graduated w/ my BS in EE |
| [08:16:58] | Jester86: | I needs me a job lol |
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| [08:17:27] | clever: | its easy stuff to learn |
| [08:17:35] | clever: | and you dont even need grade 11 to learn it :P |
| [08:17:42] | Jester86: | yeah I know |
| [08:17:50] | Jester86: | I just want a job working w/ linux lol |
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| [08:26:03] | Jester86: | its starting to storm here.. yay lol |
| [08:26:39] | zzpat: | hmm, why are those two statements lol worthy? are you really laughing out loud about each one |
| [08:27:05] | Jester86: | yes, yes I am |
| [08:27:10] | Jester86: | I'm also drunk |
| [08:27:26] | Jester86: | i really need to find a job.. I just sit around and drink now :-\ |
| [08:29:45] | Jester86: | how small could one make a transformer capable of transforming from 120 down to 5~12v? |
| [08:30:28] | wagnerrp: | what good would that do? |
| [08:30:52] | Jester86: | well I have an incredibly genius idea but I cannot share it online lol |
| [08:31:36] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that can readily use low voltage AC is low power incandescent lighting |
| [08:31:48] | wagnerrp: | motors of any power want higher voltage |
| [08:31:54] | wagnerrp: | and electronics of any sort want DC |
| [08:32:00] | Jester86: | well I'd also need to rectify it |
| [08:32:15] | Jester86: | but I can build a 5~12v rectifier pretty dang small |
| [08:32:27] | Jester86: | so thats a non-issue |
| [08:32:43] | Jester86: | this is merely a component to something bigger |
| [08:32:46] | wagnerrp: | rectifiers suck |
| [08:33:00] | Jester86: | eh just a few op amps |
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| [08:42:34] | Jester86: | any of you guys use virtual box? |
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| [08:54:21] | solv: | anybody know their way around DB schemas? my backend has been upgraded to 1254 but frontends are expecting 1244...and no I don't have a backup for 1244....strangely i have 4 backups for 1254... |
| [08:55:15] | wagnerrp: | if you have no backups for 1244, youll just have to upgrade everything to 0.23 |
| [08:55:17] | solv: | I have tried changing the DBSchema version manually to 1244....and this lets frontend connect, but the tuner cards throw an error...so I restored back to 1254 and now of course frontends can't connect anymore |
| [08:55:21] | wagnerrp: | there is no turning back |
| [08:55:25] | solv: | wagnerrp: i was afriad of thart |
| [08:55:34] | wagnerrp: | dont go arbitrarily tinkering around in the database |
| [08:55:35] | solv: | okay thanx for clarifying |
| [08:56:08] | solv: | the problem was cause by the latest mythbuntu beta I think....my backend is linhes btw |
| [08:56:24] | wagnerrp: | frontends will not upgrade the schema |
| [08:56:27] | wagnerrp: | only backends will |
| [08:56:41] | solv: | hmmm.....well I certainly didn't upgrade it |
| [08:57:09] | wagnerrp: | no, running mythtv-setup or mythbackend will do so automatically |
| [08:57:40] | solv: | but shouldn't linhes have matching versions of backend and frontends? |
| [08:58:59] | solv: | in other words, doesn't that mean that I've got an update for mythbackend that is a different schema than the currently packaged mythfrontend? |
| [08:59:20] | solv: | because if so then I need to try and get hold of linhes devs and get it fixed asap |
| [09:10:20] | solv: | mythbackend --version 0.22.20091023–1 |
| [09:10:43] | solv: | mythfrontend --version 0.22.20091023–1 |
| [09:11:17] | solv: | so now I'm confused....how the hell can the schema from 0.23!! |
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| [09:39:01] | Dibblah: | Frontends *can* update the schema? |
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| [09:40:02] | Dibblah: | Also, remember that root does not always have /usr/local/bin in the path. |
| [09:40:23] | Dibblah: | So check for outdated executables in there as well as /usr/bin |
| [09:49:19] | clever: | and check for extra libmyth*.so files everywhere |
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| [10:58:49] | mazda01_: | is it easy to take a mythconverg backup from .22-fixes and restore it to a .23 mythtv install? or whatever mythtv is in the latest lucid ubuntu repos? |
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| [11:41:23] | Jester05: | I know this isn't a myth specific question but it has to do w/ my MBE i see a task "mount.ntfs" running at 80–90% on my machine.. I know this is caused due to me currently copying large volumes across an NTFS partition but what I want to know is.. would there be less required (less CPU draw) if I weren't using ntfs format? |
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| [11:43:41] | Jay2k1: | yes |
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| [11:44:49] | Jay2k1: | i once wanted to backup my htpc to an external hdd which was ntfs formatted, using partimage or partclone i think, took ages and loads of cpu load |
| [11:45:02] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [11:45:08] | Jester05: | thats what I assumed.. |
| [11:45:20] | Jester05: | I wonder what fs i should use for my storage partition then |
| [11:45:24] | Jay2k1: | then i cancelled, formatted the hdd to ext3 and dang, it went twice as fast or even more |
| [11:45:39] | Jay2k1: | i guess either an ext* FS or xfs perhaps |
| [11:45:46] | Jester05: | yeah.. |
| [11:45:51] | Jester05: | u know much about ext4? |
| [11:46:01] | Jay2k1: | only that i use it heh |
| [11:46:10] | Jay2k1: | it was default choice in mythbuntu, which i use |
| [11:46:40] | Jay2k1: | i think they sped up fs checks on large volumes in ext4, compared to ext3 |
| [11:46:48] | Jester05: | same here.. but my "storage" partition is an external hdd that i had had operating on a windows network in the past |
| [11:47:17] | Jester05: | hmm that would be handy being a 1T drive.. |
| [11:47:17] | Jay2k1: | and i know that xfs is said to be good for large files and volumes, speaking about multi-terabyte |
| [11:47:38] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [11:47:49] | Jay2k1: | but... the xfs_tools, namely xfs_check, requires a shitload of memory, depending on your volume size |
| [11:47:58] | Jester05: | this whole myth setup is only temporary until I start working again tho (just graduated college) |
| [11:48:06] | Jay2k1: | our backup server at work has 8.5TB and i needed to run that check |
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| [11:48:20] | Jay2k1: | it has 4gb of ram and i had to increase swap to 16gb so it wouldnt crash |
| [11:48:22] | Jester05: | lol |
| [11:48:29] | Jester05: | yeah.. this is an OLD P4 box |
| [11:48:54] | Jester05: | I'm not sure if I want to take the time to do it or not :-\ |
| [11:49:00] | Jay2k1: | my htpc has 1tb and i chose ext4, but i can't guarantee that this is the best choice |
| [11:49:18] | Jay2k1: | but on a native linux box, i would never ever use ntfs o.O |
| [11:49:31] | Jester05: | yeah.. I've heard that NTFS comes back better after a power loss but i dunno if theres truth to that |
| [11:50:05] | Jester05: | yeah the only reason why I did was the drive already had my data on it.. didn't want to have to copy it over just to format and copy it back |
| [11:50:19] | Jester05: | tho now however it looks like that could occur lol |
| [11:50:20] | Jay2k1: | you should. |
| [11:50:42] | Jester05: | I may, I do have a 500g laying around.. |
| [11:50:53] | Jester05: | pretty sure I'm not over 500g on that 1T |
| [11:51:08] | Jester05: | should prob check that out b4 I even start thinking about it tho |
| [11:51:46] | Jay2k1: | dont you have another pc with some free storage space? |
| [11:51:50] | Jester05: | You know.. I bet NTFS is slower come to think of it.. when I copy across the network (all gig) I'm only pulling 20–25 mbz |
| [11:51:54] | Jester05: | mbs* |
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| [11:52:16] | Jester05: | well I do but I would like to do a direct copy if possible |
| [11:53:55] | Jester05: | thats going to take a while to calculate the size of that drive lol |
| [11:55:00] | Jester05: | dang Jay .. I have over 600 gigs of data |
| [11:55:10] | Jester05: | and thats not including my recordings |
| [11:56:08] | Jester05: | final tally is 745g |
| [11:56:45] | Jay2k1: | nice |
| [11:57:06] | Jay2k1: | data thats only on that machine? |
| [11:57:21] | Jester05: | yeah :-\ |
| [11:57:22] | Jester05: | lol |
| [11:57:37] | Jester05: | I have to make it last till i start working again and can get the RAID setup I want |
| [11:58:38] | Jester05: | virtual box is so nice.. updating some GPS stuff using Google Earth/Maps & my GPS software |
| [11:58:58] | Jay2k1: | perhaps buy an ext. 2tb hdd so you could do a backup of all that stuff |
| [11:59:00] | Jester05: | I would do it in linux but Google Earth for linux doesn't support GPS interfacing |
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| [11:59:25] | Jester05: | I'd considered that but.. don't really want to invest any money ATM |
| [11:59:32] | Jester05: | trying to just sit on my $ |
| [11:59:42] | Jester05: | tho if I were to lose all that data.. |
| [12:00:07] | Jester05: | I would not be so happy |
| [12:00:55] | Jay2k1: | this is it |
| [12:01:00] | matmatmat: | just burn the most important stuff on dvd |
| [12:01:07] | Jay2k1: | and 2tb is as cheap as ever |
| [12:01:12] | Jester05: | oh? |
| [12:01:19] | Jester05: | you have my attention sir |
| [12:02:04] | Jay2k1: | wd caviar green 2tb, from 112 EUR |
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| [12:02:15] | Jay2k1: | hitachi deskstar 2TB, from 121 EUR |
| [12:02:28] | Jester05: | what website? |
| [12:02:30] | Jay2k1: | thats in germany, dunno bout your country |
| [12:03:20] | Jay2k1: | this is from a german price comparison site, prices include 19% VAT |
| [12:03:45] | Jester05: | the motherboard in my current pc has 8 sata ports and I'm only using it for 1 internal and 1 external hdd |
| [12:03:46] | Jester05: | lol |
| [12:03:46] | Jay2k1: | i'd at least have a look what they cost in your country before i decide not to buy ;) |
| [12:04:28] | Jay2k1: | if you have a 2tb backup hdd and 1tb in your mythtv box, you could use it to backup that, plus your main computer, laptop, whatever |
| [12:04:37] | Jay2k1: | thats a good idea in every way |
| [12:04:41] | Jester05: | WD Caviar Green 1TB for $80USD |
| [12:05:09] | Jester05: | yeah you're right there man |
| [12:06:30] | Jester05: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145298 |
| [12:06:34] | Jester05: | what do you think of that |
| [12:08:45] | Jay2k1: | i have that one as my backup hdd |
| [12:08:53] | Jay2k1: | for that purpose its great |
| [12:09:25] | Jay2k1: | i wouldnt put it into a computer tho, too noisy and probably too hot when you want to kill vibrations |
| [12:09:26] | Jester05: | pretty noisy? |
| [12:09:38] | Jester05: | yeah true |
| [12:09:53] | Jester05: | w/e I want to buy will be put in my NFS when I get around to making it |
| [12:10:03] | Jester05: | so.. I'll prob have to stick to WD hdd's |
| [12:10:21] | Jester05: | I have a 500g Maxtor hdd I bought simply b/c I NEEDED an HDD after one went out |
| [12:10:42] | Jester05: | it is now souly an emergency only hdd lol |
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| [12:10:47] | Jester05: | thing is SOOO noisy |
| [12:11:14] | Jay2k1: | heh yea |
| [12:11:29] | Jay2k1: | wd 2tb are from 149 US$ on newegg.. |
| [12:12:22] | Jester05: | man I scrolled right past that at first |
| [12:12:28] | Jester05: | thanks for pointing that one out to me |
| [12:12:28] | Jester05: | lol |
| [12:12:31] | Jester05: | I'm an idiot |
| [12:12:58] | Jay2k1: | heh np |
| [12:13:05] | Jester05: | I need to buy about 4 of those ;) |
| [12:13:23] | Jester05: | put them in a raid 5 or something |
| [12:15:18] | Jay2k1: | you have great plans huh |
| [12:15:32] | Jay2k1: | 6tb... |
| [12:15:39] | Jester05: | yeah, I just want to set myself up with PLENTY of storage space |
| [12:16:04] | Jester05: | I'm going to be getting an HD cable box and then an HD capture device |
| [12:16:15] | Jester05: | so that alone will eat my storage space up |
| [12:16:35] | Jester05: | and I'm trying to migrate my movie collection over to all HD also |
| [12:16:54] | Jay2k1: | oh well |
| [12:17:28] | Jester05: | the box I'm currently on is a q9400.. I'm tempted to turn this box into my server and just get a c2d for the daily grind |
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| [12:18:48] | Jay2k1: | you should prolly invest 15$ and buy such an energy meter thing |
| [12:19:05] | Jay2k1: | if you don't already have one |
| [12:19:46] | Jester05: | I don't have one.. but why? |
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| [12:24:41] | Thunderstorm: | hi |
| [12:25:03] | Thunderstorm: | is there a way to use i tv hybrid dvb-c under mythtv? |
| [12:27:35] | Jay2k1: | because if it turns out that your old p4 machine sucks 90W and the quadcore 140W you might want to think of it |
| [12:27:43] | Jay2k1: | at least if the server runs 24/7 |
| [12:28:18] | Thunderstorm: | anyone there |
| [12:28:20] | Thunderstorm: | ? |
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| [12:28:50] | Jay2k1: | hardly, i guess |
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| [12:30:52] | Jester05: | should I just build a server server? maybe |
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| [12:34:26] | Jay2k1: | depends on what you need |
| [12:34:28] | Jay2k1: | and what you want |
| [12:34:42] | Jester05: | what would do better as a linux router/ myth MBE/ firewall/ etc.. dual core or quad? |
| [12:35:00] | Jay2k1: | dual core should suffice |
| [12:35:16] | Jester05: | yeah but I have a quad thats just sitting in my desktop |
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| [12:35:35] | Jester05: | I'm not exactly challenging it running linux ;) |
| [12:35:52] | Jay2k1: | i don't know about hd requirements, but.. typically linux server tasks as router, firewall, dhcp server, dns server etc. don't really require cpu power |
| [12:36:04] | Jay2k1: | why did you buy it then? :P |
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| [12:36:21] | Jester05: | well you know.. was in the middle of a pissing match lol |
| [12:36:29] | justinh: | language |
| [12:36:41] | Jay2k1: | i don't even know what that is heh |
| [12:36:45] | Jester05: | sorry, thought in that usage it'd be alright |
| [12:37:10] | Jester05: | had to show my friends up and build a bigger beast |
| [12:37:19] | Jay2k1: | ah, that. |
| [12:37:27] | justinh: | nobody ever wins computer one-upmanship |
| [12:37:31] | Jester05: | and I have to admit.. the quad 2.66ghz is pretty nice |
| [12:37:44] | Jester05: | oh I'm still on top lol |
| [12:38:12] | justinh: | for now, maybe |
| [12:38:19] | Jay2k1: | well, if you, for example, transcode much stuff, it could come in handy if it should be fast |
| [12:38:19] | Jester05: | lol |
| [12:38:36] | Jay2k1: | i don't know if mythtv's transcoding programs are multithreaded |
| [12:38:38] | Jester05: | I have yet to transcode anything lol |
| [12:38:48] | justinh: | Jay2k1: they're not AFAIK |
| [12:39:03] | Jay2k1: | well then you could perhaps run multiple jobs at once |
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| [12:39:59] | Jester05: | is it possible to even find a fullsized atx mobo anymore.. everything i see is micro |
| [12:40:15] | Jay2k1: | but the only people that can really make use of a quadcore are those who use adobe cs4, cinema4d or any other rendering software, and maybe high-end gamers |
| [12:40:41] | Jay2k1: | a friend of mine often transcodes some movie to iphone format before he goes to bed |
| [12:40:41] | Jester05: | yeah, I used to use adobe but now I just gimp it |
| [12:40:47] | Jay2k1: | he bought a quad so it would transcode faster |
| [12:41:47] | Jay2k1: | Jester05 i doubt you use cs4 to design 300dpi A0 prints with a few hundred layers |
| [12:41:49] | Jay2k1: | :) |
| [12:41:53] | Jester05: | yeah.. I'm still trying to figure out why I bought a quad lol |
| [12:42:05] | Jay2k1: | well it doesn't matter |
| [12:42:19] | Jester05: | nope lol as I said I replaced my usage with gimp lol |
| [12:42:19] | Jay2k1: | now that you have it, you should make up your mind on how to best use it |
| [12:42:35] | Jester05: | you sir are correct |
| [12:43:04] | Jester05: | that things sucking down 95w |
| [12:43:21] | Jester05: | prob don't want to put that in a machine thats on 24/7 |
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| [12:43:27] | justinh: | gimp is no substitute for any adobe product IMHO |
| [12:43:28] | Thunderstorm: | is there a way to user eye tv hybrid 2008 under mythtv? |
| [12:43:36] | justinh: | Thunderstorm: if it works in linux, sure |
| [12:43:47] | justinh: | Thunderstorm: check the wiki at linuxtv.org as usual |
| [12:44:02] | justinh: | and their mailing list archives |
| [12:44:08] | justinh: | and their git repository |
| [12:44:15] | justinh: | oh and the mythtv wiki itself |
| [12:44:39] | justinh: | because nobody here is a walking filing cabinet of which tv tuners are supported in linux |
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| [12:47:37] | Jester05: | justinh, .. be nice ;) |
| [12:51:32] | Thunderstorm: | i have looked there but eyeTV hybrid 2008 is not mentiont there |
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| [12:52:12] | Thunderstorm: | that is my problem |
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| [13:12:14] | Jay2k1: | did you google for your tuner name + linux? |
| [13:13:05] | Thunderstorm: | yes of course ;) |
| [13:13:24] | Jay2k1: | aaand..? |
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| [13:19:14] | Thunderstorm: | i haven't found anything |
| [13:19:44] | AndyCap: | Thunderstorm: if it is the same as this http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /029536.html then the answer is no http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /030719.html |
| [13:20:16] | ** devinheitmueller 's ears perk up. ** | |
| [13:20:26] | devinheitmueller: | Jay2k1: Which tuner is it? |
| [13:20:40] | devinheitmueller: | If it really is the Elgato stick, then correct – it is not currently supported. |
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| [13:21:50] | kisak: | hmm ... I need a little nudge in the right direction |
| [13:21:52] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: I think it was Thunderstorm |
| [13:21:57] | devinheitmueller: | pardon. my mistake. |
| [13:22:04] | devinheitmueller: | Thunderstorm: your stick is not supported. |
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| [13:25:51] | kisak: | I just added a second lineup to schedulesdirect's channel feed to propagate a channel that the main lineup does not have. Upon doing so, the channel is no longer able to be recorded because there's no tuner assigned to that video source. I have a hdhomerun ... what can I do to get the hdhomerun to include this stray channel |
| [13:26:20] | kisak: | the stray channel is coming in on the same wire as the main set |
| [13:28:30] | Jay2k1: | i also have a problem, it's about transcoding a certain recording in mythtv. backend log: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/Um3R5dXs |
| [13:28:55] | Jay2k1: | i've transcoded over 10 recordings already, successful. only this one fails. |
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| [13:37:03] | Beirdo: | ahhh, coffee |
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| [13:59:47] | tmkt: | morning |
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| [15:56:43] | GreyFoxx: | That intel libva h264 stuff looks interesting |
| [15:56:53] | GreyFoxx: | wonder chipsets would support it |
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| [16:00:55] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: :) |
| [16:01:05] | Beirdo: | that stuff is on my list to be added to myth |
| [16:01:37] | Beirdo: | GMA500, and the bigger intel onboard one whos number evades me |
| [16:01:57] | Beirdo: | after I'm in Seattle :) |
| [16:06:43] | janneg: | I think only the integrated ones in the core i3|5 |
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| [16:23:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, I don't remember the numbers |
| [16:23:58] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll look into it in much greater detail in a couple weeks or so |
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| [16:36:16] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: r23992 (mythweather changes) – I assume you plan on keeping those in trunk and not backporting to .23-fixes? |
| [16:36:29] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [16:36:44] | skd5aner: | cool – thanks, just checking for the changelog :) |
| [16:36:52] | Beirdo: | it's 0.24 functionality, basically, and requires some theme changes :) |
| [16:37:02] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [16:37:09] | skd5aner: | yup – that was my assumption, but I try not to assume too much around these parts ;) |
| [16:37:21] | Beirdo: | hehe, better to ask than assume, usually :) |
| [16:38:22] | skd5aner: | on a personal note, good to see some love going into mythweather – thanks |
| [16:38:52] | Beirdo: | no problem. It can use some more, but bit by bit. |
| [16:39:16] | Beirdo: | the new scripts should give much better international support |
| [16:39:34] | skd5aner: | I'm in the US, why would I care about that? |
| [16:39:34] | Beirdo: | especially for those in Norway :) |
| [16:39:35] | skd5aner: | j/k |
| [16:39:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:39:57] | Beirdo: | because having foreigners whining at us isn't fun? :) |
| [16:40:31] | Beirdo: | wonder if they give good forecasts for Baghdad on bombing days... |
| [16:40:41] | Beirdo: | forecast is... raining bombs |
| [16:41:05] | Beirdo: | with subsequent firestorms |
| [16:41:06] | skd5aner: | partly bomby? |
| [16:41:29] | Beirdo: | ah well, I don't think the US is trying to flatten them at this point. |
| [16:41:36] | skd5aner: | w/ a chance of raining lead |
| [16:41:38] | Beirdo: | so likely a moot point now |
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| [16:46:04] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: one more Q related to that changeset – "added "temp" (from 18 day screen) to list of items that gets deg F or deg " – do you mean 18 *hour* (not days)? |
| [16:46:51] | skd5aner: | I barely trust a 1 day forecast, let alone an 18d one ;) |
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| [16:49:41] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [16:49:42] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [16:49:45] | Beirdo: | 18h |
| [16:49:52] | Beirdo: | I was a bit tired :) sorry |
| [16:50:19] | skd5aner: | now worries, just one of those things I thought "huh – maybe that's what he actually meant – but doubt it" |
| [16:50:41] | skd5aner: | I know some sources do provide advanced "forecasts" based on historical data – but I really wouldn't call that forecast |
| [16:50:54] | skd5aner: | and didn't think myth had a screen for that kind of data |
| [16:52:16] | Beirdo: | not yet :) |
| [16:52:19] | Beirdo: | maybe later |
| [16:53:34] | skd5aner: | well, needless to say as a user, that would be low on my wish list – basics first :) |
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| [17:03:57] | Beirdo: | ywah. |
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| [18:06:34] | gbee: | is anyone building 0.22-fixes by hand? We need someone to test a patch against that branch – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/24004?fo . . . mp;new=24004 |
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| [18:17:21] | sid3windr: | if buying an ion board for myth, which does vdpau, does it matter if it's a single or dual core atom? |
| [18:17:32] | sid3windr: | (ie zotac ionitx-g-e vs ionitx-e) |
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| [18:20:27] | cipher42: | my frontend gets disconnected after about 10 mins of playback |
| [18:20:47] | cipher42: | and i get this "readStringList: Connection died (select)." |
| [18:20:50] | j-rod: | sid3windr: rumour has it the ui (esp. the prog guide) are quite sluggish w/a single-core ion, much less so w/dual-core |
| [18:21:01] | j-rod: | may also be dependent on amount of ram tho |
| [18:21:25] | ** j-rod has a dual-core atom 330 ion frontend w/4G of RAM, its perfectly speedy ** | |
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| [18:24:16] | cipher42: | for some reason, "bytesAvailable() == 0" |
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| [18:26:03] | gbee: | cipher42: wired or wireless? |
| [18:26:05] | sid3windr: | j-rod: okay, I was leaning towards the 330 though the 230 is quite a bit cheaper ... which made me doubt |
| [18:26:11] | cipher42: | over the internet, wired |
| [18:26:33] | cipher42: | this is the function that returns 0 http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/msocketd . . . -source.html |
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| [18:27:20] | gbee: | heh, we don't support the use of mythtv over the internet, that's not what it's designed for ... I've a feeling of deja-vu |
| [18:27:39] | cipher42: | well it does it at home too |
| [18:27:44] | cipher42: | shouldn't even have mentioned that |
| [18:28:23] | sid3windr: | too late now! |
| [18:28:34] | cipher42: | any ideas? |
| [18:29:00] | kormoc: | fix your networking so the socket stays open? |
| [18:29:16] | cipher42: | looks like the socket is open |
| [18:29:27] | cipher42: | but for some reason bytesAvailable returns 0 |
| [18:31:02] | kormoc: | Ooh, perhaps your network is just too slow to keep the other end filled |
| [18:31:20] | kormoc: | oh nah |
| [18:31:29] | kormoc: | I was right the first time, "In the documentation of QIODevice, for bytesAvailable() function it says "This function will return 0 if the port is not currently open" |
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| [18:31:39] | kormoc: | it's returning 0 because it was closed |
| [18:32:41] | cipher42: | where do you see that? |
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| [18:33:52] | cipher42: | because right above the error message i get, it says if state != connected throw a different error |
| [18:33:56] | cipher42: | so it's connected |
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| [18:35:26] | devinheitmueller: | I cannot speak to how QT does it's sockets, but with BSD sockets, a zero return on read() means the connection was closed. |
| [18:35:42] | devinheitmueller: | (as opposed an error conditions such as timed out on read) |
| [18:36:09] | cipher42: | what would make disconnect after 10 mins? |
| [18:36:22] | devinheitmueller: | Is there a firewall between the two endpoints? |
| [18:36:27] | cipher42: | no |
| [18:37:00] | devinheitmueller: | Nothing in particular. Is this between the mythbackend and the mythfrontend we are talking about? |
| [18:37:12] | devinheitmueller: | Usually that sort of thing is an application enforced timer. |
| [18:37:23] | cipher42: | right, there is no firewall |
| [18:37:46] | devinheitmueller: | ... where the app explicitly has something like a select() timeout and closes the connection if no traffic is present. |
| [18:38:27] | devinheitmueller: | so which application is this then we are talking about? |
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| [18:39:39] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, also I might have been a bit vague when I said "firewall". You could have the same sorts of issues if there were a NAT between the two endpoints. |
| [18:40:14] | devinheitmueller: | (as the NAT may expire stale entries from its translation table to prevent DOS and conserve memory) |
| [18:40:22] | cipher42: | there is a nat |
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| [18:40:33] | cipher42: | my myth-backend is also my nat |
| [18:40:34] | devinheitmueller: | Take the NAT out of the equation and see if it still happens. |
| [18:40:53] | kormoc: | cipher42: it's not a nat if the BE is local to the FE |
| [18:41:02] | clever`: | cipher42: if you connect to its private ip, from the private side, the nat shouldnt matter |
| [18:41:22] | cipher42: | is there any way to get myth to use a SOCKS 5 proxy? |
| [18:41:29] | cipher42: | as in the frontend? |
| [18:41:39] | kormoc: | cipher42: nope |
| [18:41:41] | clever`: | cipher42: just get a proper VPN and route everything thru that |
| [18:41:54] | kormoc: | cipher42: well, you can with ssh port forwarding... |
| [18:42:02] | kormoc: | but it's not really socks |
| [18:42:08] | devinheitmueller: | cipher42: At this point you don't even know if the problem is the NAT. You should confirm that to be the case before you go looking for workarounds. |
| [18:42:09] | cipher42: | i think ubuntu can do it |
| [18:42:11] | Beirdo: | /win 28 |
| [18:42:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:42:22] | Beirdo: | let me try that again WITHOUT the space |
| [18:42:34] | clever`: | 28 is a channel on rizon here |
| [18:42:42] | Beirdo: | good for it |
| [18:42:52] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [18:42:54] | kormoc: | clever`: oh really? Tell me more about 28! |
| [18:43:01] | kormoc: | clever`: or perhaps 57 or 82! |
| [18:43:16] | iamlindoro: | /me selects from the available administrative options |
| [18:43:36] | clever`: | it goes all the way to 124! |
| [18:43:38] | iamlindoro: | oh they're all so nice |
| [18:43:41] | Beirdo: | trouts are popular.. |
| [18:43:56] | iamlindoro: | fond of +q myself |
| [18:44:02] | gbee: | !sardine Beirdo |
| [18:44:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:44:13] | ** kormoc thinks clever` doesn't understand sarcasm ** | |
| [18:44:21] | Beirdo: | hehe.. sardine. that's a good one |
| [18:44:25] | Beirdo: | or !kipper |
| [18:44:31] | iamlindoro: | smelt! |
| [18:44:38] | skd5aner: | guppy |
| [18:44:38] | iamlindoro: | smelt them with righteous fire! |
| [18:44:40] | Beirdo: | mmmm, smelts |
| [18:44:42] | clever`: | kormoc: i do:P, but felt like pointing out that it goes past 82 anyways:P |
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| [18:45:18] | ** kormoc idly wonders how clever` got past his ignore anyway... ** | |
| [18:45:22] | gbee: | in best Ace Rimmer voice "Smoke Me A Kipper! ... I'll Be Back For Breakfast!" |
| [18:45:29] | clever`: | kormoc: probly the ipv6 |
| [18:45:30] | Beirdo: | kormoc: it's that pesky ` |
| [18:45:52] | gbee: | it's a shame that reference will go over the heads of most here |
| [18:45:56] | kormoc: | it is the pesky ` |
| [18:46:02] | kormoc: | gbee: reference++ |
| [18:46:11] | gbee: | s/over the heads/be lost on/ |
| [18:46:25] | Beirdo: | gbee: I know kippers from the Goon Show... :) |
| [18:46:41] | Beirdo: | never ate one... I take it they are sardine-sized? |
| [18:46:53] | gbee: | Beirdo: no, herring sized |
| [18:46:59] | gbee: | :p |
| [18:47:02] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [18:47:18] | Beirdo: | smoked herring. Nice. |
| [18:48:52] | Beirdo: | mmm, the picture of kippers with a fried egg on it (on wikipedia) looks yummy |
| [18:50:19] | Beirdo: | I shall have to try it sometime... whenever I make it to the UK |
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| [18:51:44] | gbee: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYfnWRp1Q0&feature=fvw |
| [18:55:04] | cipher42: | so i have a socks 5 proxy setup to my backend, is there any way to use that for my frontend? |
| [18:55:15] | Beirdo: | cipher42: no |
| [18:55:21] | Beirdo: | that's already been answered |
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| [18:55:34] | cipher42: | but i could use redirection for the mysql socket right? |
| [18:55:43] | kormoc: | oh lord |
| [18:55:58] | Beirdo: | not supported... who knows if it will work |
| [18:56:01] | kormoc: | cipher42: we don't do myth over internet |
| [18:56:07] | gbee: | though to truly understand the running joke of Ace Rimmer it's better if you were already familiar with his alter ego from the earlier series, and that requires too much explanation |
| [18:56:19] | Beirdo: | gbee: fair enough :) |
| [18:56:28] | kormoc: | red dwarf ++ |
| [18:56:40] | gbee: | plus I'm not really sure that the humour of Red Dwarf translates so well |
| [18:56:48] | gbee: | although kormoc is apparently a fan :) |
| [18:57:00] | iamlindoro: | gbee: It does, but to a very particular (and some might say peculiar) subset of americans |
| [18:57:01] | Beirdo: | it's been too long since I watched Red Dwarf :) |
| [18:57:09] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:57:17] | Beirdo: | I liked that show. |
| [18:57:23] | iamlindoro: | It was definitely most popular amongst the "magic: the gathering" crowd when I was in High School |
| [18:57:56] | Beirdo: | and yeah, that quote makes a lot more sense once my brain caught the reference. Not too bright today |
| [18:58:13] | gbee: | the longer it ran, the more disappointing it became unfortunately, the last couple? of series weren't great |
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| [18:59:10] | kormoc: | gbee: yeah, but here's hoping the new ones will be better |
| [18:59:31] | gbee: | probably about the time Grant Naylor stopped writing them |
| [19:00:06] | ** j-rod never ever went near 'magic: the gathering', but was a fan of red dwarf ** | |
| [19:00:16] | Beirdo: | likewise |
| [19:01:32] | j-rod: | imon users… I can haz moar helpz? |
| [19:01:51] | j-rod: | imon 0xffdc device users, that is |
| [19:02:52] | Beirdo: | hahah, I had forgotten that Kryten was Robert Llewellyn. I miss Junkyard Wars |
| [19:02:57] | j-rod: | need to know what each of them spew when they're firing 50 interrupts per second when there's no incoming IR at all... |
| [19:04:42] | gbee: | Beirdo: and though the UK version never showed over there, Lister was Craig Charles who presented 'Robot Wars' |
| [19:05:07] | Beirdo: | heh, cool |
| [19:05:12] | bjd: | heh |
| [19:05:16] | bjd: | i hated robot wars |
| [19:05:32] | iamlindoro: | how is the new Doctor Who? We don't get him for another ~12 days |
| [19:05:38] | iamlindoro: | The companion is super hot, though |
| [19:05:56] | ** iamlindoro would work her like a summer job ** | |
| [19:06:02] | iamlindoro: | erm... I mean.. nothing |
| [19:06:15] | Beirdo: | hheheh |
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| [19:07:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: getting positive reviews over here, but I'm not a Who fan and haven't watched it |
| [19:08:05] | gbee: | I'm sure justinh will give you a very honest opinion though ;) |
| [19:08:11] | j-rod: | I really need to get my hdpvr back in the mix |
| [19:08:21] | j-rod: | and beat on the damned ir part while I'm at it |
| [19:08:38] | Beirdo: | j-rod: kick it hard until it behaves |
| [19:08:43] | gbee: | apparently my sister's boyfriend went to school with Matt Smith ... how's that for useless trivia? |
| [19:08:47] | j-rod: | (so that I might record syfy hd, among other things) |
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| [19:09:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: kaylee would be so sad, stuck, unwanted, in the basement |
| [19:10:16] | iamlindoro: | oh she's still invited |
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| [19:11:17] | skd5aner: | grumble... cable co is changing their entire digital lineup tomorrow night |
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| [19:17:21] | wagnerrp: | at least they warn you ahead of time |
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| [19:18:04] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yup – via a mailing. It almost got trashed with the other junk they send, luckily I opened it this time |
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| [19:18:22] | j-rod: | man I love cscope |
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| [19:22:01] | kormoc: | Haha, http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1842 |
| [19:22:02] | ** GreyFoxx ponders changing careers ** | |
| [19:22:11] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx: to? |
| [19:22:26] | GreyFoxx: | korm: Nice :) |
| [19:22:41] | GreyFoxx: | dunno really. I'm just becoming fairly bored where I am now |
| [19:22:56] | GreyFoxx: | and I don |
| [19:23:08] | GreyFoxx: | t get to play with enough "new" stuff to keep it interesting :) |
| [19:23:15] | kormoc: | Mixing it up is always a good idea |
| [19:23:27] | j-rod: | oh good. benign gart tlb error, I can ignore it... |
| [19:23:31] | iamlindoro: | Professional hitman |
| [19:23:43] | GreyFoxx: | iaml: I think I could do that :) |
| [19:24:07] | iamlindoro: | You could call yourself "Christopher Chance." |
| [19:24:22] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx: could start with some specific users ;) |
| [19:24:24] | iamlindoro: | and snap yourself off a piece of Moon Bloodgood. |
| [19:24:52] | wagnerrp: | is he the guy on that bodyguard show? |
| [19:25:08] | wagnerrp: | human target? |
| [19:25:18] | wagnerrp: | i noticed she was on a an episode |
| [19:26:01] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [19:31:03] | GreyFoxx: | korm: hehe |
| [19:32:41] | iamlindoro: | Why is "lost my battery" still alive? |
| [19:32:52] | iamlindoro: | How hard is it to say "Buy a new battery, numbnuts?" |
| [19:33:08] | wagnerrp: | because that was the very first response |
| [19:33:32] | wagnerrp: | well... maybe the second |
| [19:34:16] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:41:33] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: writing is easy, reading is hard. :P |
| [19:42:41] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: -users? |
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| [19:57:45] | Beirdo: | BAH |
| [19:57:58] | Beirdo: | why can't I get mmap to update the file I have mapped? |
| [19:58:05] | Beirdo: | I must be doing something wrong :) |
| [19:58:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:58:51] | Beirdo: | Private mapping, not shared. |
| [19:58:53] | Beirdo: | smart. |
| [20:00:55] | Beirdo: | OK, that works better :) |
| [20:01:14] | Beirdo: | private mapping does NOT reflect changes onto underlying file |
| [20:01:22] | Beirdo: | !trout Beirdo RTFM |
| [20:01:22] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a RTFM trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
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| [20:06:19] | GreyFoxx: | man those palm pre phones look nifty |
| [20:06:29] | GreyFoxx: | anyone running myth on it yet? ;) |
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| [20:08:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:09:23] | Beirdo: | OK, got my firmware tweaker written :) after building the firmware, I have to insert the length and CRC into the file before it can be uploaded |
| [20:15:35] | skd5aner: | Quick question regarding VPDAU playback – I've got a GT 240, latest nvidia drivers (although I saw the behavior with the 190.x series too) – occasionally when on-screen text is displayed, it looks like it's interlaced – even when the broadcast is progressive... thoughts? |
| [20:17:00] | skd5aner: | been happening ever since I've moved to VDPAU, but just have dealt with it, it's definitely not as terrible as true interlaced content would look like, but it definitely resembles the tearring effect of interlaced content on a progressive display |
| [20:20:58] | skd5aner: | I'm using advanced 2x |
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| [20:23:11] | gbee: | I've seen the same, but only with low resolution stuff off the minor channels |
| [20:24:04] | skd5aner: | gbee: this is typically seen on content from the primary broadcasters in the US (progressive – FOX and ABC), maybe via my HD-PVR too – can't remember specifically |
| [20:24:12] | skd5aner: | HD – 720p |
| [20:24:47] | skd5aner: | Usually clear/clean feeds, ATSC/QAM |
| [20:25:14] | skd5aner: | doesn't appear to be from compression mpeg artifacts that I can tell |
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| [20:45:49] | kormoc: | sphery: have you seen http://twitpic.com/photos/Astro_Soichi ? |
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| [20:45:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh, just got that on facebook |
| [20:46:00] | w00zy: | hey guys. |
| [20:46:05] | iamlindoro: | it's awesome |
| [20:46:54] | w00zy: | I am trying to set up MythTV on my Archlinux system. I have a Motorola DCH3416 DVR from Time Warner Cable in Southern California. |
| [20:47:29] | w00zy: | Im attempting to set it up via firewire. I have gone through the set up instructions for firewire on the mythtv site. |
| [20:47:55] | markl_: | how's 0.23 working with dual tuner HDHR's so far? |
| [20:48:23] | w00zy: | I am getting inconsistent results though and Im not sure how to interpret what is happening. |
| [20:48:26] | kormoc: | w00zy: you'll only get a few channels that way, you'll likely do a lot better with a hdpvr |
| [20:48:48] | kormoc: | w00zy: inconsistent could be them toggling on and off the 5c flag |
| [20:49:44] | w00zy: | ok noob question. with an hdpvr will I be capturing video from the DVR and have to use irblaster to change channels on it? Or will I be able to just hook up my cable wire to the PVR and change channels that way? |
| [20:50:00] | kormoc: | w00zy: you would use a irblaster or firewire to change channels, aye |
| [20:50:12] | kormoc: | and record off the pvr, correct |
| [20:50:30] | w00zy: | So will i be able to record multiple channels at once with that set up? |
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| [20:50:45] | kormoc: | one channel per hdpvr/receiver pair |
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| [20:50:52] | w00zy: | ah man |
| [20:51:23] | w00zy: | so basically, the problem is that Im not going to be able to decode the signal from Time Warner then right? Hence using their cable box? |
| [20:51:38] | bjd: | correct |
| [20:51:48] | skd5aner: | w00zy: I use an HD-PVR to capture component via the STB, and control the channel changing via firewire |
| [20:52:20] | w00zy: | dang man that sucks Id really like to be able to record multiple channels at once. |
| [20:52:36] | skd5aner: | w00zy: and yes, TWC doesn't leave much unencrypted. Local networks, PBS, that's about it |
| [20:53:01] | w00zy: | I figured that that was my problem, but I was hoping against hope. |
| [20:53:19] | skd5aner: | however, I do record a good deal of my stuff via QAM, since most of what I watch is on those networks, and with multirec I get a good few of them on the same multiplex |
| [20:54:17] | w00zy: | skd5aner: that went waaay over my head. |
| [20:54:38] | w00zy: | is multirec a program? |
| [20:55:12] | kormoc: | w00zy: nah, digital tv is typically sent as one signal with a few channels in it |
| [20:55:31] | kormoc: | w00zy: multirec means just recording from multiple channels in the same signal |
| [20:55:36] | w00zy: | ah i see. |
| [20:56:14] | skd5aner: | w00zy: sorry, basically like kormoc said, from a basic perspective, they'll send multiple "networks" on a single frequency so to speak |
| [20:56:18] | w00zy: | Well I started to feel free. At least the hope increased my life span by a few hours. lol |
| [20:56:58] | skd5aner: | multirec means that 1 physical tuner, can tune all the "channels" on that frequency using virtual tuners... so in essence, it's able to record multiple shows/networks from a single tuner |
| [20:57:47] | skd5aner: | just depends what gets lumped together |
| [20:58:04] | gbee: | it's a very poorly named feature, the name was chosen by devs as an abbreviation of it's techinical description "multiplex recording", we really need someone to give these features more user-friendly and descriptive names |
| [20:58:18] | skd5aner: | I got away with 2 QAM tuners for a long time... |
| [20:58:28] | gbee: | commflagging << wth? |
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| [20:58:55] | skd5aner: | I have 4 now, and rarely need to use the virtual tuners |
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| [20:59:15] | w00zy: | skd5aner: what are virtual tuners? |
| [20:59:21] | kormoc: | gbee: Communication with flags! Semaphore! |
| [20:59:31] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:59:34] | skd5aner: | gbee: yea, I suppose it's not the best marketing to call it multirec, but in the same vain, it has a nice ring to it and does mean what it says |
| [20:59:39] | iamlindoro: | gbee: propose you and I track the backend setup stuff and rewrite language whenever possible |
| [21:00:01] | iamlindoro: | s/possible/appropriate/ |
| [21:00:41] | gbee: | I'll do my best :) |
| [21:00:47] | skd5aner: | w00zy: basically, with "multirec", virtual or logical tuners can be created... so 1 physical tuner can tune 1 frequency, but that frequency might have 5 channels multiplexed on it... |
| [21:01:20] | w00zy: | so is virtual tuning a feature of the PVR ? |
| [21:01:26] | w00zy: | im lost. |
| [21:01:57] | skd5aner: | w00zy: so, if you had 1 physical tuner, and within myth you said that you wanted to create 5 virtual ones, then you could basically record all 5 "channels" at once because you only need 1 physical tuner to get the multiplex |
| [21:02:15] | w00zy: | oh ok. |
| [21:02:36] | skd5aner: | w00zy: yes, it is a feature within the configuration of MythTV |
| [21:02:43] | w00zy: | ok cool |
| [21:02:46] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Record_multiple_ch . . . ne_multiplex |
| [21:02:54] | w00zy: | k thanks |
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| [21:03:31] | skd5aner: | w00zy, you live in the US I'm guessing? |
| [21:03:38] | w00zy: | yes |
| [21:03:42] | w00zy: | I live in CA |
| [21:03:50] | iamlindoro: | nobody's perfect |
| [21:04:04] | skd5aner: | w00zy: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us |
| [21:05:25] | skd5aner: | w00zy: that should tell you what you can get over QAM256 |
| [21:05:49] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, I hadn't been following, but I heard he was tweeting |
| [21:06:01] | sphery: | kormoc: The launch this morning shook my house something fierce |
| [21:06:28] | skd5aner: | w00zy: you might want to look at the hdhomerun, would be a good digital tuner for you to consider |
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| [21:09:44] | w00zy: | man, there is waay more going on with cable then I thought |
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| [21:30:28] | w00zy: | um what about CableCards? Is there a good HDPVR card that will accept my CableCard and decrypt/change my channels that way? |
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| [21:30:49] | devinheitmueller: | w00zy: nope. |
| [21:31:00] | w00zy: | btw If I am wasting my time trying to get around using Time Warners stb please let me know. |
| [21:31:36] | sphery: | if the channels are encrypted, you're wasting your time--you'll need to use the STB and an analog encoder |
| [21:31:40] | devinheitmueller: | If you want to get all the cable channels (including the encrypted channels), then the HD-PVR is your only option. |
| [21:31:51] | w00zy: | I can switch cable providers as well. There has to be a way for me to record multiple channels at once. beyind the broadcast channels right? |
| [21:32:07] | devinheitmueller: | w00zy: no, there is not. |
| [21:32:10] | sphery: | only unencrypted digital channels |
| [21:32:15] | w00zy: | ok |
| [21:32:20] | devinheitmueller: | ... unless you have multiple settop boxes and HD-PVRs. |
| [21:32:24] | sphery: | or have multiple capture devices + multiple stb's |
| [21:32:26] | w00zy: | friggin cable companies... wtf? |
| [21:32:30] | devinheitmueller: | Yup. |
| [21:32:36] | sphery: | OTA ftw! |
| [21:32:36] | devinheitmueller: | This is *exactly* how they want it to be. |
| [21:32:52] | sphery: | I use OTA only, then buy DVD's with the cable-only shows I want to watch. |
| [21:33:03] | devinheitmueller: | They want you to pay for a STB for every TV in your house, and to only be able to record programs if you pay for their DVRs. |
| [21:33:09] | sphery: | Turns out to be significantly cheaper for me than a cable subscription, and I'm not paying for tons of channels I don't care about. |
| [21:33:16] | skd5aner: | hehe – http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49305387,00.htm |
| [21:33:28] | sphery: | but it only works if you decide to forego cable channels |
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| [21:34:09] | jolaren: | Hey. Anyone know of a SVT-Play or TV3-Play lugin? |
| [21:34:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: what do you use for internet? DSL, Cable? |
| [21:34:19] | w00zy: | well. I watch/record alot of stuff on comedy ceentral and the science channel. My wife has the subscription to the movie tier as well. And my daughter dvrs a bunch of cartoons |
| [21:34:41] | devinheitmueller: | w00zy: Yup, you're SOL. |
| [21:34:43] | w00zy: | I hate my cable company now |
| [21:34:51] | devinheitmueller: | w00zy: As you should. |
| [21:34:53] | w00zy: | lemeness |
| [21:35:00] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: that's what I hate the most, "renting" STBs :P |
| [21:35:08] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: you're not the only one. |
| [21:35:08] | skd5aner: | what a scam |
| [21:35:25] | devinheitmueller: | The FCC tried to stop it with the introduction of Cablecard, but failed miserably. |
| [21:35:30] | devinheitmueller: | They were clearly outmatched. |
| [21:35:33] | skd5aner: | "A would-be saboteur arrested today at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland made the bizarre claim that he was from the future. Eloi Cole, a strangely dressed young man, said that he had travelled back in time to prevent the LHC from destroying the world. |
| [21:35:37] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [21:35:39] | w00zy: | well I would imagine that the formware is where everything is set up at right? Unless they check that periodically. |
| [21:35:51] | w00zy: | maybe thats a different forum? |
| [21:36:17] | skd5aner: | w00zy: not sure what you're asking? |
| [21:36:22] | w00zy: | skd5aner: lol WOW. what if its real? |
| [21:36:36] | skd5aner: | w00zy: well, uhh..... |
| [21:37:05] | nutron: | The world would be destroyed. Where'd he come from again? |
| [21:37:06] | skd5aner: | w00zy: I guess *if* it's real (eye roll) – then we're all doomed, because futureman got arrested, that means he failed his mission |
| [21:37:16] | w00zy: | skd5aner: what im asking is if there is a way to mod the DCH3416 provided by TWC. |
| [21:37:26] | skd5aner: | w00zy: no |
| [21:37:36] | w00zy: | ok i give up |
| [21:37:53] | skd5aner: | w00zy: even if there was (which there isn't), it wouldn't be supported here because it'd violate the ToS and probably be illegal |
| [21:37:57] | devinheitmueller: | Discussion of modification of cable company hardware and theft of service is prohibited in this channel. |
| [21:38:33] | skd5aner: | w00zy: but you don't have to "give up" – I'm in the same boat as you are and have been using myth for 6+ years now |
| [21:38:56] | w00zy: | skd5aner: what is your system like? |
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| [21:40:59] | skd5aner: | Currently up and running: 2-PVR 250s (analog tuners) 1-PVR 500 (dual analog tuner), 2 HD5000 Air2PC tuners (Digital QAM tuners), 1 HDHR (dual Digital QAM tuner) and an HD-PVR (HD Component Capture) |
| [21:41:32] | skd5aner: | I can record every channel I pay for |
| [21:41:44] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: that's quite the setup you have there. :-) |
| [21:42:09] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: thanks (I think :D ) – it's grown/evolved with time |
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| [21:42:51] | skd5aner: | got a few more 250's sitting in a drawer, maybe only 10% of my recordings are analog anymore |
| [21:43:16] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: Well, if we're counting the hardware we have sitting in drawers, I think I can probably beat you in that. ;-) |
| [21:43:29] | skd5aner: | also, got another HD-PVR sitting in the box unoppened because I don't want to pay $10/mo to rent another STB :P |
| [21:43:32] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, the 250 is a pretty good card. |
| [21:43:35] | sphery: | skd5aner: I actually have cable internet, but I got it through Earthlink (on Brighthouse lines), so I don't have to pay the $10 extra the cable co charges if you don't have their cable TV service. |
| [21:43:43] | skd5aner: | debinheitmueller: oh no doubt, I'm sure!!! |
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| [21:44:32] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea, I know we talked several months back – I'm still not overly impressed with the PQ from the 250 and 500 compared to a direct connection to the TV though :( |
| [21:44:39] | skd5aner: | but – stability wise, it's rock solid!!! |
| [21:44:57] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: you using the tuner input, or s-vide/composite? |
| [21:45:15] | skd5aner: | Had some issues with my PVR-500 when it FIRST came out... I even sent it off to Jarod Wilson way back in the day to have him test the card in his environment |
| [21:45:27] | skd5aner: | tuner |
| [21:45:37] | skd5aner: | I have not tried the s-video to compare |
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| [21:45:59] | highzeth: | I remember the price of the first DiSEqC I bought, since then, Ive stopped counting the NOK's Ive spent on "tv". |
| [21:46:05] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: yeah, trying the s-video just as a test would be helpful in identifying whether it's related to the can tuner or whether it's the video decoder. |
| [21:46:30] | skd5aner: | I really should try sometime – just too lazy :) |
| [21:47:01] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I hear you. |
| [21:47:22] | devinheitmueller: | The reality is though that the likelihood of someone getting around to do additional quality optimization is pretty remote at this point. |
| [21:47:27] | skd5aner: | Honestly, I was considering getting a 1600 (or was it 1800?) to replace them since then I'd pick up a couple more qam tuners and in the process I could basically eliminate my virtual tuners, since multirec basically breaks Live TV |
| [21:47:35] | devinheitmueller: | It's an old piece of hardware and people are used to the quality it provides. |
| [21:47:53] | devinheitmueller: | The 1600 is PCI, the 1800 is PCIe. |
| [21:48:11] | skd5aner: | yea – it definitely provides a "good enough" PQ, and when it's the only thing you've seen since 2004 – you really kind of forget otherwise |
| [21:48:14] | devinheitmueller: | Both have ATSC/ClearQAM and analog encoders, although there are known issues with the 1800 analog right now. |
| [21:48:22] | sphery: | anyone have any idea why a Google Docs download would do nothing? |
| [21:48:26] | skd5aner: | yea, the 1600 then :) |
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| [21:48:56] | skd5aner: | sphery: it's randomly happened to me too sometimes, but rarely – I've just tried again later |
| [21:49:03] | sphery: | :( |
| [21:49:26] | skd5aner: | not sure if it's the same thing you're up against... |
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| [21:50:58] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: is there any definitive agreement on best cards for analog PQ out there? I know there's a bit of subjectiveness to that question to begin with, but didn't know if there's a clear front-runner? (NTSC btw) |
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| [21:51:36] | skd5aner: | via tuner, I should say |
| [21:51:53] | devinheitmueller: | You guys would have a better felling then I would when it comes to analog. I've done work on a couple of different tuners, but never much objective comparison. |
| [21:52:18] | devinheitmueller: | Usually it's a situation where I'm approached and told "make this tuner better." and not "which tuner is best?" |
| [21:52:23] | skd5aner: | yea – well, I don't trust "the massess" so to speak with it comes to picture or sound quality ;) |
| [21:52:29] | devinheitmueller: | I hear you. |
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| [21:53:11] | skd5aner: | although – to be honest with you, I remember when I was showing my (then-to-be) mother-in-law myth for the first time back in 2005, and she was like "why doesn't the picture look normal" |
| [21:53:12] | skd5aner: | haha |
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| [21:53:27] | devinheitmueller: | I've got a pretty good eye (and having the right tools helps too), but I probably wouldn't be in the best position to make a recommendation. |
| [21:53:44] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that's an unfortunately pretty common reaction. |
| [21:53:57] | skd5aner: | yea, np – again, just wasn't sure if there wasn't a theme in the community you've heard, since you seem to have your ear to the ground |
| [21:54:04] | devinheitmueller: | It doesn't happen when you sit a person in front of a Tivo, suggesting that there is plenty of room for improvement. |
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| [21:55:05] | skd5aner: | exactly – and my folks had one of the original DirecTV Tivos at the time, and I definitely remember thinking the same – of course that's slightly different since I believ DTV at the time broadcast everything down in MPEG2 at the time |
| [21:55:22] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, the DirectTV tivo is *totally* different. |
| [21:55:32] | devinheitmueller: | You cannot use that as a basis for comparison at all. |
| [21:55:37] | skd5aner: | fair enough |
| [21:55:51] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the DirectTV Tivo didn't have an MPEG encoder at all. |
| [21:56:33] | skd5aner: | do you think the difference in quality is more related to software (driver/firmware) or hardware (tuner/on-board encoder)? |
| [21:56:48] | devinheitmueller: | Depends on the hardware and the driver. |
| [21:56:58] | skd5aner: | yea, I meant in regards to the PVR-250s for example |
| [21:57:04] | devinheitmueller: | I've got cases where I know the drivers need work, I've got cases where I know the hardware is crappy, and I've got both. |
| [21:57:33] | devinheitmueller: | See how it works under Windows. If it looks good under Windows and worse under Linux, then it's definitely a driver or application problem. |
| [21:57:51] | skd5aner: | again... |
| [21:57:55] | skd5aner: | <---- lazy |
| [21:57:55] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [21:57:58] | devinheitmueller: | yup. |
| [21:58:36] | devinheitmueller: | If you actually care about the quality though, that's pretty much the process. |
| [21:58:50] | skd5aner: | well, I shouldn't say lazy – I sure would do it if 1) I wasn't OK with it as-is 2) <10% of my recordings are analog anymore 3) I had just bought the cards and they weren't 4–6 years old |
| [21:58:57] | devinheitmueller: | ... start the thing up under Windows, grab the register programming, and then compare it against Linux. |
| [21:59:12] | skd5aner: | and 4) if I thought it would help you or anyone else fix the problems :) |
| [21:59:22] | devinheitmueller: | That's definitely one reason the cards get less attention – analog is getting less and less popular. |
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| [22:00:24] | skd5aner: | you know, I find it funny some prime-time shows (even brand new ones) on the major networks still film in SD |
| [22:00:43] | skd5aner: | like "Undercover Boss" on CBS |
| [22:00:51] | devinheitmueller: | Sure, why not? In the typical sitcom most people won't notice the difference, and it's cheaper. |
| [22:01:11] | skd5aner: | well, I'm still shocked – the price point isn't as drastic as it used to be |
| [22:01:11] | devinheitmueller: | Do you think the average audiophile/videophile watches that show? |
| [22:01:36] | devinheitmueller: | It's true it's getting cheaper, but if it won't get you any more of an audience, why incur the cost at all? |
| [22:01:47] | skd5aner: | I can't imagine, today, that HD production costs are drastically different |
| [22:02:10] | devinheitmueller: | As long as they are nonzero, some shows will continue to hold back. |
| [22:02:17] | skd5aner: | I suppose |
| [22:02:21] | devinheitmueller: | It will get there eventually. |
| [22:02:32] | skd5aner: | hey – I have been having a problem with one of my tuners... |
| [22:02:51] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: it's iamlindoro's fault. |
| [22:03:09] | skd5aner: | analog, haven't jumped in yet to see which one it is, but I'm getting a huge amount of static now on some of the low digit channels |
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| [22:03:15] | skd5aner: | makes the recordings unwatchable |
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| [22:03:33] | devinheitmueller: | cable loose? |
| [22:03:36] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [22:03:37] | skd5aner: | this is a card I've had for years, with no problems – now it's not working all of a sudden |
| [22:03:58] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: I should honestly go check, but doubtful |
| [22:04:02] | devinheitmueller: | Have you installed a new build of v4l-dvb recently? A new kernel? A new Mythtv build? |
| [22:04:40] | skd5aner: | I'm still running ubuntu 10.09, only have gotten their minor kernel updates |
| [22:04:42] | devinheitmueller: | And does it happen on more than one tuner? If it's one of the PVR-250's, does it happen on all tuners? |
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| [22:05:22] | devinheitmueller: | figure out what the delta is beyond "something changed", and I might be able to help. |
| [22:05:36] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: you know, let me test some of that stuff... that's exactly what I was going to do. I'll setup 4 shows to record simulatanously on adjoining channels that I know have had problems |
| [22:05:44] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
| [22:06:23] | devinheitmueller: | Might make sense to also do a quick sanity test – plug the wire into a TV and make sure the signal is just not crappy on those channels. |
| [22:06:40] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: of course, I honestly have not done much testing – and I generally keep my environment pretty much the same beyond apt-get upgrad, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [22:07:15] | skd5aner: | I'll get through the basics first and report back – thanks |
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| [22:12:34] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: well, test one isn't good – PVR-250 and PVR-500 shows the same issues, so it's likely to be a source issue |
| [22:12:57] | devinheitmueller: | possibly |
| [22:14:04] | devinheitmueller: | Unlikely to be a driver issue – they have different tuners and different video decoders. |
| [22:14:16] | devinheitmueller: | (which are the usual culprits for quality issues) |
| [22:14:49] | skd5aner: | via my STB, the same channels come in clear |
| [22:15:05] | devinheitmueller: | Is it an analog STB? |
| [22:15:23] | skd5aner: | Well... I think the answer to that is no |
| [22:15:24] | devinheitmueller: | Or are you perhaps using a digital STB and getting both analog and digital service? |
| [22:15:34] | skd5aner: | correct, but I'm tuning the analog channels on the STB |
| [22:15:47] | devinheitmueller: | Well, you may not *really* be tuning the analog channels. |
| [22:15:53] | skd5aner: | channel "3" on the STB is analog, channel 225 is the digital |
| [22:16:01] | devinheitmueller: | Just because the STB says "channel 2" doesn't mean you're really on channel 2. |
| [22:16:14] | devinheitmueller: | Well, channel 225 is probably the *HD* channel. |
| [22:16:22] | devinheitmueller: | I hate cable companies. |
| [22:16:25] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [22:16:28] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea, but I think in this case it is... but that doesn't mean they aren't tuning it some other way |
| [22:16:36] | skd5aner: | well, 225 is the HD channel |
| [22:16:43] | skd5aner: | 227 is the digital channel |
| [22:16:52] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, try plugging in a TV and see what channel 3 looks like. |
| [22:16:58] | skd5aner: | channel 3 is the analog channel, but I don't know what the STB is doing behind the scene |
| [22:17:00] | devinheitmueller: | (with no STB in between) |
| [22:17:17] | skd5aner: | yea... I honestly don't know if my TV has an NTSC tuner in it, I'll have to look |
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| [22:17:27] | skd5aner: | I know it does have a QAM tuner |
| [22:17:41] | skd5aner: | can't imagine it wouldn't tune NTSC, but never tried – I'll look in the manual |
| [22:17:45] | devinheitmueller: | Well, if it has QAM than it almost certainly has NTSC as well. |
| [22:18:15] | devinheitmueller: | Generally speaking, the vendors would either provide ATSC/QAM/NTSC, or they would provide no tuner at all. |
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| [22:20:02] | AndyCap: | I never could understand the us attraction to tv channel numbers mapping 1:1 to frequencies. |
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| [22:20:35] | devinheitmueller: | Because people had more trouble remember "WQRS" than "7" |
| [22:21:13] | devinheitmueller: | Hell, I still have trouble sometimes with OTA ATSC. What the hell is WXPN? |
| [22:21:31] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, that's the local Fox Affiliate? |
| [22:22:52] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: no. that 02 is 54 Mhz, and not just memory slot 2. :) |
| [22:23:04] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [22:23:19] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I admit I've had to look up the NTSC frequency table. |
| [22:24:13] | devinheitmueller: | I do remember that on the TV my father built, "Channel 1" was HBO, and I spent the rest of my childhood trying to figure out why none of the TVs I ever encountered had a "Channel 1" |
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| [22:24:57] | AndyCap: | this must be why joel spolsky worries about programmers not being able to get pointers. :) |
| [22:25:05] | skd5aner: | duh – you didn't pay for it |
| [22:25:06] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [22:25:11] | devinheitmueller: | I love Joel on Software! |
| [22:25:47] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, for as much as I supposedly know about TV, I have to acknowledge that I never built my own television like my old man did. |
| [22:26:43] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller, http://wa2.images.onesite.com/capcom-unity.co . . . ion_king.jpg ? |
| [22:26:52] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
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| [22:34:01] | jolaren: | Is it possible to create a limit mythweb account for my childrens? |
| [22:34:13] | jolaren: | I'm a bit scared in letting them move around to much because of the damage it can do |
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| [22:35:15] | skd5aner: | heh – my TV is still scanning channels |
| [22:35:32] | w00zy: | um, what about this... what if I have my Machine capture everything, and then just use the STB in between my backend and my front end? |
| [22:35:52] | skd5aner: | w00zy: what machine? |
| [22:36:07] | w00zy: | my backend |
| [22:36:26] | skd5aner: | You'll never be able to capture "everything" |
| [22:36:34] | skd5aner: | well, not reasonably anyway |
| [22:36:40] | w00zy: | is that even a valid question or am I missing something completely? |
| [22:36:52] | skd5aner: | w00zy: take a step back, what is it you'd like to do – from a high level? |
| [22:37:15] | skd5aner: | use mythtv to record and playback TV? |
| [22:37:53] | w00zy: | I want to be able to record multiple channels at once. I want to be able to do that using multiple tuner cards on my backend. |
| [22:38:41] | AndyCap: | w00zy: playing back through your STB would require some fancy and expensive hardware.. and you'd need one tuner for each multiplex on the network, and a significant amount of network storage. :P basically, you'd be your own cable company. |
| [22:38:55] | iamlindoro: | As mentioned before, if you want to do so in an unrestricted way (all of your channels), you will need one set topb box per concurrent recording |
| [22:38:57] | AndyCap: | s/network storage/disk storage/ |
| [22:39:31] | iamlindoro: | if you only care about unencrypted channels, than a digital tuner per multiplex you wish to record at once, without a set top box, is what you will use |
| [22:39:35] | skd5aner: | w00zy: like I said earlier, get an HDHR and and HDPVR |
| [22:40:26] | skd5aner: | w00zy: you'll be able to record everything in clearQAM (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, etc) with the HDHR and then you can record everything else with your HD-PVR |
| [22:40:39] | skd5aner: | if you want to record multiple things, get 2 STBs and 2 HD-PVRs |
| [22:40:52] | skd5aner: | I mean, if you want ot record multiple things outside of clearqam |
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| [22:41:15] | skd5aner: | With that, you'd basically be able to record with few conflicts |
| [22:41:48] | skd5aner: | get 2 HDHRs and 2 HD-PVRs, and I bet you have very few conflicts (YMMV) |
| [22:42:26] | iamlindoro: | even two HDHRs is WAY beyond what the average user will need for qam tuners |
| [22:42:41] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: very true, especially with multirec |
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| [22:43:35] | skd5aner: | I have 4 physical QAM tuners and haven't had a conflict in a long time (however, I do have other issues with multirec that make physical tuners more appealing than virtual/logical ones) |
| [22:43:35] | w00zy: | lol ok |
| [22:44:10] | w00zy: | my ideas tend to take a long time to die |
| [22:44:12] | skd5aner: | w00zy: my whole point is that you can do exactly what it is you want to do, you just have to know the limitations |
| [22:44:31] | iamlindoro: | and also to bear in mind that Myth is a *luxury* DVR, not a cheap option |
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| [22:44:47] | iamlindoro: | Don't mistake "free software" for "bargain approach" |
| [22:45:20] | iamlindoro: | Myth is very, very likely to cost you more than your cable Co's DVR. It will offer you MUCH more flexibility and control over how you experience your media, however. |
| [22:45:28] | skd5aner: | I would say 65% of my recording rules involve QAM, 20% involve HD-PVR, and 10% involve analog |
| [22:45:45] | ** iamlindoro notes that skd5aner's HD-PVR recordings are analog ;) ** | |
| [22:45:56] | w00zy: | iamlindoro: yeah Im not, Im not really trying to save money. Im just pretty much a hacker that likes to mess around with stuff. |
| [22:46:14] | skd5aner: | I have 1 HD-PVR, and occasionally have conflicts, and I actually have another in the box by my cable co charges $10/mo to rent an additional STB and it's not worth it to me – I've got plenty to watch and that's what priorities are for |
| [22:47:27] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: lol... actually, my source *allows* for the HD-PVR to record analog channels, basically as a fifth tuner if my first 4 analog ones are busy, but that never happened :) |
| [22:47:46] | skd5aner: | s/but that never happened/but that has never happened |
| [22:48:18] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, Point was that all of your HD-PVR recordings are via analog, by nature |
| [22:48:31] | skd5aner: | and I don't really anticipate it to... but hey, I guess if I wanted to record a crapload at once *I could* – so THERE :D |
| [22:48:46] | skd5aner: | oh – yes, duh... I gotcha ::head slap:: |
| [22:50:09] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: as you mentioned earlier, mythtv is not a "bargain" at least in my case – it's been a big investment, but I treat it more as a hobby than just a DVR solution |
| [22:50:32] | skd5aner: | but I do think it's a very important point for newbies to hear :) |
| [22:51:05] | skd5aner: | anyway – wife's home, and that means dinner! :D |
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| [23:36:04] | Beirdo: | I'm feeling a bit infantile tonight. |
| [23:36:12] | Beirdo: | who wants to pull my finger? |
| [23:36:15] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
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| [23:54:50] | ** jamesd2 turns on barney and dora the explorer and tells Beirdo sit here and behave himself and he can have a cookie before bed... ** | |
| [23:57:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:57:26] | Beirdo: | I tell ya, that would get your TV broken |
| [23:57:35] | Beirdo: | Barney. pffft |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | dora... I could likely handle for a bit |
| [23:59:19] | jamesd2: | yeah i heard that dora has turned into a tramp in the last few years |
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