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Sunday, April 4th, 2010, 00:01 UTC
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[00:25:32] wagnerrp: but its not even past midnight
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[00:28:33] ** awalls suspects that justinh's club mix includes the theme song to _The_Munsters_ by now **
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[00:43:42] Beirdo: ahhh, caffeine
[00:43:51] Beirdo: now I may end up being human again
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[01:11:42] Beirdo: now if only I weren't being forced to witness a crappy PR version of "Biggest Loser"
[01:12:28] wagnerrp: are you implying the US version isnt equally awful?
[01:12:42] Beirdo: oh, this is worse
[01:12:49] Beirdo: a) only in Spanish
[01:13:09] Beirdo: b) they judge on absolute weight loss, not %
[01:13:18] Beirdo: c) they are sponsored by Alli.
[01:13:27] Beirdo: here, take some drugs
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[01:15:05] Beirdo: oh, hahahah
[01:15:18] Beirdo: I created myself some macros in assembler... they already existed
[01:15:19] Beirdo: heh
[01:15:58] wagnerrp: do they use the same 10ton platform scale normally used for Semis?
[01:16:23] Beirdo: heh, I haven't noticed. Probably
[01:16:53] Beirdo: I'm enough of a wide-load that *I* should be on the show, not one of my neighbors who's like 80lb less than me
[01:17:02] Beirdo: but whatever :)
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[02:28:20] newbie005: hi, how can I delete files off the hard drive? I deleted a bunch from the menu but hard drive is still full
[02:30:01] [R]: what menu
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[02:33:14] newbie005: [R]: in the frontend I goto watch recordings, then select a program then a specific show, then hit D, then confirm the delete
[02:33:29] [R]: maybe you have slow delete turned on?
[02:33:31] [R]: what does the backend log say
[02:33:34] newbie005: but the hard drive reports the same amount of freespace
[02:33:47] wagnerrp: slow deletes would delete, just slowly at ~4MB/s or so
[02:33:48] newbie005: [R]: yes slow delete is turned on
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[02:34:10] wagnerrp: there is another option which tells it not to delete anything
[02:34:20] wagnerrp: but simply mark it for expiration
[02:34:21] newbie005: there also seems to be a Deleted Recordings group, just found it.. do i need to delete from both places?
[02:34:32] newbie005: I'm trying to free up some disk space to download a file
[02:34:46] wagnerrp: big file...
[02:35:15] newbie005: 4 gigs, currently I'm at 100% full
[02:35:27] wagnerrp: the 'deleted recordings' group only exists if you have that second option enabled
[02:35:44] wagnerrp: you are telling the backend to expire those recordings, rather than actually delete them
[02:36:02] newbie005: I see thanks
[02:36:12] wagnerrp: the backend then actually deletes them at some later point as you dip below the minimum required free space you have set
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[02:36:19] wagnerrp: which is normally 10GB
[02:36:37] newbie005: I don't remember seeing a minimum free space setting
[02:36:49] newbie005: that would be nice
[02:37:07] newbie005: is there a way to flush the shows to be deleted?
[02:37:10] wagnerrp: as far as i know, it only takes effect when performing new recordings
[02:37:19] wagnerrp: cant say, never used that option
[02:37:25] newbie005: ok thanks
[02:37:28] wagnerrp: you can add all those recordings to a playlist
[02:37:32] wagnerrp: and then delete the playlist
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[02:41:17] newbie005: is there a way to set all of the epsiodes of a show to not be deleted?
[02:41:31] newbie005: it seems if i change the rule the epsiodes still have the RIP icon on them
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[02:41:48] [R]: tahts not going to change already recorded shows
[02:42:22] newbie005: I should do in sql then ...
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[02:44:34] newbie005: maybe I could change the minimum hard drive space, then save and that would kick off the GC
[02:46:10] wagnerrp: i believe the minimum required space is only taken into effect when recording
[02:47:04] newbie005: hmm,, so how can I free up some space then?
[02:47:42] wagnerrp: a second delete of any of those files will delete them from the hard drive
[02:47:58] wagnerrp: you should NOT just delete them manually yourself, as that will leave an orphaned recording in the database
[02:48:15] newbie005: wagnerrp: sorry I don't quite follow, do you mean hit delete from the deleted group ?
[02:48:24] wagnerrp: correct
[02:48:38] wagnerrp: if you delete from there, it will delete permanently
[02:48:52] newbie005: I did try that, but when i went back in they were still there,, perhaps this is because of the slow delete feature ?
[02:48:52] wagnerrp: as opposed to putting it in the 'recycling bin' of the deleted group
[02:49:11] wagnerrp: slow delete will cause recordings to delete at a couple MB/s
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[02:49:23] wagnerrp: are you running ext3 for your recordings drive?
[02:50:08] newbie005: wagnerrp: yes
[02:50:45] newbie005: I just tried it again, if i delete an epsiode from the delete group, then exit the menu and come back the file shows up again
[02:51:23] [R]: what does the backend say
[02:52:58] newbie005: the last entry was
[02:53:02] newbie005: AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min
[02:54:06] newbie005: not sure if that means I dont have 2 gigs so I can't delete or if it means that I'm above my 2 gig limit so I do not need to delete
[02:54:15] newbie005: df reports 100%
[02:54:31] [R]: it says that hwne you try to delete the file?
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[02:55:16] newbie005: [R]: I'll try it again to see if it comes up again
[02:56:31] newbie005: [R]: tailing the file it doesn't re-occur each time I hit delete
[02:56:47] [R]: the backend says nothing when you do delete?
[02:57:21] newbie005: no, I'm looking at /var/log/mythtv/mythtvbackend.log
[02:57:29] [R]: does the frontend?
[02:57:36] newbie005: perhaps I'm not deleting it correctly?
[02:57:37] Mardok_: I'm using MythBuntu and have a tv@nywhere card on an analog cable connection. I'm able to pick up a picture, but the quality is a little bad (not horrible, but could be better. It might be the splitter...), and I can't scan for channels, they have to be typed in manually. Does anyone know how to get mythtv to scan for channels?
[02:58:05] newbie005: [R]: the frontend shows the item disappear from the list, but returns when I exit and return
[02:58:10] [R]: Mardok_: scanning analog is stupid and brokne
[02:58:19] [R]: newbie005: and the log...
[03:00:08] newbie005: [R]: I'm (tail -f)'ing the log and getting no activity when I hit delete from either the watch list or the deleted group list
[03:00:26] [R]: are you sure they are using the files you are looking at?
[03:00:28] newbie005: no pun intended
[03:00:44] newbie005: [R]: do you mean the log file?
[03:00:51] [R]: yes
[03:01:22] newbie005: yes it's the right one, a recording just kicked off and the log went nuts
[03:01:40] [R]: weird
[03:01:50] newbie005: thanks for your help
[03:02:21] newbie005: I need to go, if I find some solution to my weird issue I'll be sure to post it on a wiki somewhere
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[03:11:44] ** Beirdo yawns **
[03:11:48] randomuser: does anyone know what mythdora's 'set static ip' script deals with, and why it (or something) may have broken dns lookup functionality.
[03:11:51] Beirdo: the coffee was a good thing
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[03:17:56] Jester05: hey guys
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[03:18:35] Jester05: can anyone tell me if I can allow a group access to ssh within the sshd_config file by having the ling: 'AllowUsers %users'
[03:19:22] [R]: Jester05: if you dont know how to configure a program, you should read its man page
[03:19:57] Jester05: I know.. I'm just in a real tight hurry b/c I have to head out of town.. didn't know if anyone knew off hand
[03:22:43] randomuser: don't get me wrong, the world needs pricks
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[03:23:02] [R]: Jester05: you would have had the answer a long teim ago...
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[03:24:02] Jester05: nothing is telling me exactly what I want to know.. I want to make sure having AllowUsers and AllowGroups in the same config won't override one another in any way
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[03:24:38] Jester05: I would assume as long as the user is included in either one of the allowed groups or in the allowed users list it'd be fine
[03:24:53] Jester05: but I just want to make sure that Groups doesn't over power users and vise versa
[03:25:27] Jester05: which is why I was trying to see if i could use the %'groupname' as a way of getting out of making the declaration of Allow* twice
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[03:26:46] Jester05: I have to head out of town and need remote access to a new install I JUST finished.. have nothing on it yet really just ssh & xchat added lol
[03:26:50] [R]: the man page clearly explains how to use a combination of the both
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[03:28:29] Jester05: alright w/ man continue being an arrogant prick for no reason, thanks for no help what so ever.. *wonders why people like you even get on these servers to begin with*
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[03:51:11] hipitihop: I have an Ipaq PDA, does
[03:52:10] hipitihop: sorry, keyboard
[03:55:01] hipitihop: Any recommendations for a remote control app I can run on my Ipaq PDA
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[06:56:35] tmetro: Any scte65scan w/HDHR experts? Found 6 linups, but none match what I observe with HDHR tools or match the ID reported by my STB.
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[07:43:24] tmetro: Actually, looks like the channel numbers are offset by 8 (82.1 vs. 90.1) for broadcast channels, but correct for cable-only channels. Weird.
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[09:16:09] Jester05: hello gents.. I'm trying to create a little something for use on my myth frontends, since I'm getting wireless keyboards for all of them, I want the users to be able to mount a few different sshfs's that I have.. I already know how to do all of this via bash scripts, etc
[09:16:14] Jester05: but I want to create a gui for it
[09:16:47] Jester05: I'm currently using zenity but for w/e reason I cannot get zenity to pass the --entry over to sshfs
[09:17:14] Jester05: the txt box comes up, i put the password in but it never passes over to sshfs
[09:17:22] Jester05: I've done the exact same thing for sudo and it works fine
[09:17:49] Jester05: don't know why its not taking sshfs unless it just has something to do w/ timing..?
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[10:54:04] Dibblah: Jester05: Why are you using passwords?
[10:55:16] Dibblah: http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/
[10:57:39] Jester05: Dibblah, I was trying to do it for simplicity .. I just want to be able to dump this little bash file on a computer w/ a launcher for it and be done
[10:57:44] Jester05: lemme check out that link tho
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[11:11:43] ke^: anyone around who could give me a site that has better explanation for mythtranscode options than wiki-page has ?
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[11:12:26] ke^: I just dont understand the meaning of the --chanid and --starttime options for commands.
[11:13:29] ke^: And what i am trying to do is remove useless parts of a movie that i have recorded.
[11:14:18] ke^: What i have done is that i did use the commercial flag-option when recording but it seems to me bit useless because i will do better cutlist of the useless parts by hand my self.
[11:14:49] ke^: Now i would like re-encode the video with out commercials but i dont follow how the hell i can do it :\
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[11:29:53] unixSnob: all my schedules are off by 1 hour.. could this be due to daylight savings, even though my OS automatically adjusts the time?
[11:33:04] Jester05: unixSnob, make sure your source is set correctly
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[11:44:44] Dudesky1: gents and ladies this is killing me I have a nvidia G210 card in my G31 chipset motherboard if I install the 210 series card analog audio does not work even after upgrading to alsa 22.1 snapshot I could not get hdmi audio working either, but if I put a 7 series or 6 series card analog audio works just fine
[11:45:04] Dudesky1: I could not find a solution on the web anywhere
[11:45:33] Dudesky1: please point me in the right direction
[11:49:53] tank-man: so you pressed the "any" key and nothing happened?
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[11:58:57] Digdilem: how do I get myth to prune the database? atm the db is over a million rows and I don't need to track recording history at all (it's dumped to a samba share which is controlled elsewhere)
[11:59:55] tank-man: did you try deleting them from the frontend?
[12:00:11] Digdilem: i want them to go automatically – i'm using myth just to record
[12:00:20] Digdilem: (2.7m rows actually, just checked :) )
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[12:03:57] Dibblah: Digdilem: Most of those rows are probably in the recordedmarkup table.
[12:04:16] Digdilem: Dibblah, yes – recordedseek
[12:04:18] Dibblah: Which marks bits of the recording that "need to be known" to support quick seeking.
[12:04:32] justinh: ke^: the chanid & starttime options are what user jobs can use to identify a particular recording
[12:04:41] Dibblah: The entries are deleted when the recording is deleted.
[12:05:11] justinh: heh *if* you delete them properly
[12:05:13] Digdilem: is there any way I can get myth to delete the db records for programs whose files no longer exist? (Ie, i've deleted them manually)
[12:05:24] justinh: oh dear oh dear
[12:05:36] Dibblah: Yes. Touch the file then delete it properly is the easiest way.
[12:05:49] justinh: you really don't want to do that, Dave (delete files yourself)
[12:06:03] Dibblah: Fiddling "underneath" Myth is hardly ever a good plan.
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[12:06:07] Digdilem: but I *do* – I just want mythtv-backend, I *never* use frontend
[12:06:21] Digdilem: i watch the .mpg's via popcorn hour, or laptop or desktop
[12:06:42] Dibblah: That's an odd use-case, but fair enough.
[12:06:52] Digdilem: I never claimed not to be odd :)
[12:07:09] tank-man: Digdilem, so you don't care about recording reruns?
[12:07:10] Dibblah: If you want to do that, do the deletes from Mythweb.
[12:07:17] unixSnob: Jester05: the source is set for the correct timezone, but I don't think the source settings are actually used
[12:07:20] Digdilem: it's habit i've developed through years of doing this with other programs, although quite new to myth
[12:07:26] justinh: or make a script using bindings to do it
[12:07:29] Digdilem: tank-man – good point, so I'd like to keep, say, 30 days history
[12:07:41] unixSnob: Jester05: the default grabber for Belgium doesn't work, so I'm using mc2xml instead
[12:07:51] justinh: Digdilem: so don't clean out oldrecorded then
[12:08:11] Digdilem: from what you're all saying, what I want doesn't exist, so I might have to write a script to delete the db history manually – does that sound like the best course for me?
[12:08:19] justinh: unixSnob: you can't talk about that program here. it contravenes so many services' T&Cs it's just *wrong*
[12:08:52] justinh: Digdilem: no, if you delete the file via the myth protocol (exposed by python & perl bindings IIRC) it'd be much better
[12:09:04] justinh: s/file/recording/
[12:09:20] justinh: or just do it via mythweb
[12:09:21] Digdilem: ok. so I'd need to sniff the recorded files dir periodically, see if the file no longer exists, then make the api call
[12:09:31] unixSnob: justinh: independant of mc2xml, mythtv fails to offset the time in mythtv-setup::channels
[12:09:36] Digdilem: justinh, I want it to work automatically
[12:10:36] justinh: unixSnob: is your machine's TZ actually correct?
[12:10:37] Dudesky1: any clues on my audio problem
[12:10:58] unixSnob: justinh: yeah, /etc/timezone shows the correct timezone
[12:11:00] justinh: Dudesky1: chances are your audio devices are moving around
[12:11:09] Dudesky1: ???
[12:11:34] Dudesky1: I tried disabling the on board audio also
[12:12:00] justinh: well, I wouldn't rule out devices shuffling around
[12:12:01] Dudesky1: anyone else using a G210 or GT220 card
[12:12:46] Dudesky1: why does it work finew with my trusty 7600GT with no vdpau
[12:13:27] Dudesky1: even tried v.23 with mp4 accel cpu usage drops but still no audio
[12:13:48] Dudesky1: mythtv .23 I meant
[12:14:25] Dudesky1: I mean
[12:14:29] Dudesky1: accck sleepy
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[12:19:16] sid3windr: unixSnob: said grabber works fine for me on .21-fixes at least...
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[12:24:36] unixSnob: sid3windr: what do you mean .21-fixes? i have version 1.0
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[12:46:26] justinh: wow. seems sagetv powers that be think all xmltv grabbers are illegal
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[12:48:18] sphery: well, TMS wants Schedules Direct to license and sell data to other locales, so if worse comes to worse...
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[12:48:54] sphery: got any links to the mention?
[12:49:00] justinh: on their forum
[12:49:06] sphery: oh
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[12:49:26] sphery: do they provide guide data for their customers?
[12:49:35] justinh: they do, but only in the US AFAIK
[12:50:08] sphery: yeah, figured it would be region limited (since even MS can't/won't afford guide data for the whole world for MCE)
[12:50:41] justinh: knowing how bad MCE's scheduling is I'd hate to be stuck using their data
[12:50:47] sphery: heh
[12:51:01] justinh: worst comes to the worst (i.e. radiotimes going bump) I'll just go back to EIT data
[12:51:05] sphery: and yet some people here in the US choose to steal their data rather than pay $20/yr for schedules direct
[12:51:38] justinh: be interesting to see how SD data compares to radiotimes
[12:51:38] sphery: (that grabber being one that--if not illegal--*is* a violation of the data provider's terms of use)
[12:52:06] sphery: the best thing about SD is the programid
[12:52:23] justinh: unique number per programme?
[12:52:26] sphery: yeah
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[12:52:47] sphery: we "auto-generate" one for many xmltv sources, but there's a bug in it
[12:52:52] justinh: not that we'd need that if guide data descriptions were consistent
[12:52:55] sphery: you all will get to know that bug well post 0.23
[12:53:06] sphery: yeah, but you need consistent over /all/ of time
[12:53:25] sphery: so in 2020, you'd have to have the same descriptions as in 2005
[12:53:30] justinh: heh
[12:53:48] justinh: tbh though there's a lot I don't mind recording over & again
[12:53:59] sphery: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8127 has a patch which fixes the programid generation using an approach recommended by someone else
[12:54:24] sphery: I will likely apply that fix to trunk (only) soon
[12:55:17] sphery: wow, seems like here in the US, users who record some movie with the same title as some series they have a record all on get all upset
[12:55:35] sphery: would be nice if we could convince them that recording something you don't want is better than failing to record something you do
[12:56:04] justinh: who needs convincing?
[12:56:18] justinh: it's not like a programme takes up 1TB
[12:56:23] justinh: ;)
[12:56:31] justinh: (yet)
[12:57:24] AndyCap: wait until UD-TV.
[12:57:58] AndyCap: or they just transmit big brother or something 24/7
[12:58:06] AndyCap: one agonizingly long show
[12:59:00] justinh: yeah well. no accounting for taste
[12:59:32] justinh: but it's way less annoying to have to clean up cruft, than it is to find a recording hasn't happened
[12:59:39] AndyCap: yep
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[13:11:46] Dibblah: Radio times is pretty much the only independent listings provider.
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[13:11:53] Dibblah: Everyone else buys from Tribune.
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[13:19:25] _tom: Hi all, just moved into a new apartment and it is going to be a while until I get internet service. Is there a way to download guide data from schedules direct (while at work) put it on a thumb drive and get mythfilldb to use that data?
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[14:11:37] Garra_Negra: hey all
[14:11:41] wagnerrp: Jester05: why would you want to do such a thing?
[14:11:54] wagnerrp: MythTV is not designed to handle transient data
[14:12:03] Jester05: wagnerrp, do what?
[14:12:19] wagnerrp: let the user mount various sshfs folders
[14:12:32] wagnerrp: the gallery is the only thing that would work properly
[14:12:39] wagnerrp: mythvideo would have to be put in browse mode
[14:12:45] Jester05: its not just for mythdata
[14:12:45] wagnerrp: and music/recordings wouldnt work at all
[14:12:54] Jester05: I just need it to be able to mount to my myth
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[14:13:35] wagnerrp: dont know what exactly you would want to use outside of myth up on a TV
[14:13:42] Jester05: I want it to be able to connect to the root to be able to do configuration stuff
[14:13:56] wagnerrp: but anyway, it should be fairly easy to set up a plugin to do so
[14:14:16] Jester05: no I'm not trying to integrate it into myth
[14:14:22] Jester05: just to be used as a desktop app
[14:14:28] wagnerrp: then why did you ask in here
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[14:15:03] Jester05: b/c I figured theres always someone who knows what I need to know in here
[14:15:09] Jester05: and this was the first one that opened lol
[14:15:31] Jester05: this channel does seem to be the most intelligent of the ones I frequent tho
[14:15:46] wagnerrp: better to try in the gnome/kde channels for general gtk/qt help
[14:16:01] wagnerrp: there may be some specific channel for those two APIs as well
[14:16:19] wagnerrp: or you can do something very simple in bash/tk
[14:16:32] wagnerrp: or <some other scripting language>/tk
[14:16:42] Jester05: i'm trying using bash and zenity currently
[14:16:53] Jester05: i have it working in bash no problem
[14:17:00] wagnerrp: dont know anything about zenity
[14:17:04] Jester05: but for w/e reason I can't seem to pass the password to sshfs
[14:17:12] Jester05: well even not using zenity
[14:17:23] wagnerrp: why cant you use public key?
[14:17:41] Jester05: b/c I want this solution to be more fluid.. if possible
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[14:17:52] Jester05: i want to make it easy to go from one box to another using this
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[14:18:08] wagnerrp: dont know how it could be more 'fluid'
[14:18:13] wagnerrp: its just one more file you have to copy over
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[14:18:30] Jester05: yeah I know.. I may resort to that method yet
[14:19:18] Jester05: I just don't see why the sshfs -o username=USERNAME,password=PASSWORD username@blah isn't working
[14:20:00] Jester05: doesn't matter if I set un/pw to my actual or to variables, neither work
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[14:20:32] wagnerrp: yeah, ssh wants a secure input to enter the login password
[14:20:37] Jester05: I have looked into expect/send as a method of doing it.. which may occur yet
[14:21:02] wagnerrp: expect will probably work
[14:21:12] Jester05: hmm
[14:21:22] TheAsp: Why would you use a password with sshfs???
[14:21:26] Jester05: but then I'll have to install expect on every machine i want to use this w/ ...
[14:21:34] wagnerrp: TheAsp: thats what i told him
[14:21:47] Jester05: TheAsp, I'm currently trying to decide which avenue to take myself
[14:21:57] TheAsp: Passwords suck
[14:22:07] wagnerrp: TheAsp++
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[14:22:16] Jester05: I'd like it to allow you to set your username and password so that way more than just me could login using it
[14:22:43] TheAsp: Add all the keys that need access to the authorized_keys file
[14:22:48] TheAsp: you can have as many as you want
[14:22:51] Jester05: say we're at a remote location w/ rented laptops and i have multiple people needing to access the base network
[14:23:01] TheAsp: you don't need -o USERNAME either
[14:23:19] TheAsp: What password are you trying to use? ;)
[14:23:20] wagnerrp: use NFS then?
[14:24:01] Jester05: yeah i know... I just don't understand why -o username=un,password=pw isn't working anymore.. I've seen instances of it working for other ppl..
[14:24:34] Jester05: wagnerrp, I've considered that also... not sure tho
[14:24:49] wagnerrp: IIRC, you need to pass it something special for password... just the plain text doesnt work
[14:24:53] TheAsp: -o password_stdin
[14:24:53] TheAsp: read password from stdin (only for pam_mount!)
[14:25:08] TheAsp: thats the only option for passwords in my sshfs
[14:25:08] Jester05: hmm
[14:25:40] TheAsp: If you don't want to mess with authentication, you can just use nfs
[14:25:53] TheAsp: but then anyone can monkey with your files
[14:26:11] TheAsp: as long as they are root, they can become any UID on that NFS share
[14:26:32] TheAsp: Really, not a good idea
[14:26:53] Jester05: yeah.. I may have to change my approach to sshfs
[14:26:55] Jester05: :-\
[14:27:03] Jester05: I may also look into expect/send
[14:27:03] TheAsp: Of course, you can use NFS4 with Kerberos, but since you don't want to mess with keys for sshfs you won't want to do that either ;)
[14:27:28] Jester05: I just need to make it incredibly simple and easy to get up and running from computer to computer
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[14:27:40] TheAsp: Do they just need read access?
[14:27:49] Jester05: Id like not to install anything on the computers, just copy some files and remove them when done
[14:28:07] Jester05: it'll require rw
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[15:05:05] jst_: Are there any Ubuntu PPAs that will allow me to upgrade to 0.22 final instead of 0.22-fixes?
[15:05:14] jst_: Or is 0.22-fixes considered more stable?
[15:05:39] jst_: I'm running "22594" which I do not think is the final version of 0.22.
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[15:10:37] jst_: Lovely, looks like mythbuntu's autobuild repo wants to install an older NVIDIA driver.
[15:14:35] Daviey: jst_: 0.22-fixes is newer than 0.22 final
[15:14:54] Daviey: 0.22-fixes includes all the fixes post 0.22 release
[15:15:42] jst_: Okay, but even though I can dpkg-reconfigure mythbunturepos and selected 0.22 and "no" for testing, it still is listing "trunk" instead of stable in /etc/apt.d/sources.list... is that normal?
[15:18:03] Daviey: jst_: yep.. that is normal
[15:18:32] Daviey: 0.22 was once trunk, and we just didn't change the name
[15:19:29] jst_: What about that nvidia package it wants to install? Is there some way I can prevent it from doing so?
[15:19:40] jst_: I manually install all my NVDIA drivers.
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[15:36:33] jst_: Can someone explain that to me? Is upgrading to the latest 0.22-fixes via mythbuntu repos going to screw up my NVIDIA drivers? I install them manually.
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[15:44:25] justinh: why should it?
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[15:44:40] justinh: ah. dependencies. meh
[15:45:13] justinh: but then why would mythtv *depend* on nvidia drivers? that just sounds silly to me
[15:45:47] janneg: for vdpau
[15:46:21] janneg: with current drivers it should depend on libvdpau
[15:46:27] justinh: yeah so if you *want* to use vdpau you need nvidia drivers installed but if not.. surely you don't
[15:47:05] justinh: but I guess it's keeping them from hassles where folks install the wrong version of driver & it messes things up
[15:54:06] Dudesky1: anyone using the G210 or GT220 cards
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[16:22:55] skd5aner: Dudesky1: I'm using a GT240
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[16:28:38] jst_: Hmm, so should I upgrade to 0.22-fixes and then manually reinstall the NVIDIA driver? I think I tried this before and ran into dependency nightmare.
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[16:32:22] Dudesky1: sku5anner: do you have hdmi audo working?
[16:32:33] Dudesky1: sku5aner: do you have hdmi audo working?
[16:33:49] Dudesky1: skd5aner: are you still around?
[16:33:57] Dudesky1: msg me when you can
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[16:37:28] jst_: How often are 0.22-fixes added to the mythbuntu repository?
[16:37:36] jst_: Whenever a commit is made?
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[16:58:33] Dudesky1: anyone else using G2xxx card
[16:58:47] Dudesky1: still need help with Digital audo or analog
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[17:53:51] Dibblah: And they say Myth is difficult to use. I've just tried adding all of the programs we watch on V+. It's... Not trivial.
[17:54:36] Dibblah: And series links don't persist. Which genius thought of that?
[18:05:45] justinh: sounds like Sky
[18:07:31] justinh: heard Moyles having a rant about losing digital TV when there's 'weather' the other day. You'd think Sky would do a decent install for people in the public eye
[18:09:08] Dibblah: There's two ways to search for programs and two ways only.
[18:09:30] Dibblah: Firstly through the guide then hoping there is a series link.
[18:09:49] Dibblah: Secondly through the "view program categories" view.
[18:10:02] justinh: ah the joys of being locked in
[18:10:14] justinh: but erm.. who says myth is hard to use? lol
[18:10:23] Dibblah: So far, I have left the "categories" thing running for 5 minutes.
[18:10:33] Dibblah: And have nothing but a "please wait" screen.
[18:10:55] Dibblah: Interestingly, it's a Linux box, using ext2 for the storage.
[18:11:03] justinh: how do you know?
[18:11:25] Dibblah: Uhm... It was posted online.
[18:11:28] justinh: heh
[18:11:49] Dibblah: 160Gb disk? What do they expect? ;)
[18:11:58] justinh: 160GB? :-O
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[18:12:11] justinh: the HDD equivalent of E240
[18:12:52] AndyCap: Dibblah: that you shouldn't record more than they graciously allow. :)
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[18:57:52] dubstar_04: can anyone recommend a low profile dvb-s card?
[18:58:10] dubstar_04: wanted to use with uk freesat
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[19:49:50] iamlindoro: find me now, sucka
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[19:56:37] iamlindoro: Oh dustybin, I don't need artillery for you
[19:56:39] iamlindoro: just my foot
[19:56:58] Zathraz: Hi. I used the DigitalOu howto of the wiki. I got a PVR350, sound comes out and goes into line-in onboard soundcard (I can capture it wuth for instance audacity). How can I route it to spdif (onboard). The amixer setting does not work for my VIA 8235 onboard soundcard. Should this not be set in asound.conf ?
[20:03:07] justinh: oh no not that wiki howto. that's confused many a brain
[20:03:22] justinh: and I'm not being sarcastic. alsa config is a black art
[20:03:54] Zathraz: jup
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[20:05:21] Zathraz: sound+video works ok with internal player on movies, video works on TV playback but no sound. DVD playback does not work period
[20:05:55] Zathraz: Guess alsa is the culprit
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[20:32:02] Beirdo: yahn
[20:32:17] Beirdo: yawn even :)
[20:33:26] Beirdo: OK, what idiot tagged Twisted Sister – We're Not Gonna Take it as "We're Gonna Make It"?!?
[20:33:35] justinh: lol
[20:33:56] justinh: is the genre right though? Or is it "easy Listening" ?
[20:33:59] Beirdo: that's what I get for using automated tools to "fix" my MP3s
[20:34:13] ** justinh blames freedb **
[20:34:34] Beirdo: hehe, I almost consider Twisted Sister to BE Easy Listening
[20:34:35] Beirdo: hehe
[20:34:44] Beirdo: can you tell I grew up in the 80s?
[20:34:47] justinh: I put my classical albums through musicbrainz & it messed up all the titles. stupid foreign character sets
[20:34:54] Beirdo: oh yuck
[20:34:57] justinh: now I can't tell what's what
[20:35:02] Beirdo: oops
[20:35:21] Beirdo: and I can't for the life of me find the song I wanna play on Tuesday at work
[20:35:34] Beirdo: Ted Nugent – Kiss My A**
[20:35:36] Beirdo: hehe
[20:35:47] Beirdo: a great "I quit" song
[20:36:16] Beirdo: and of course... my CDs are packed
[20:37:30] Beirdo: and where'd the 2 Live Crew go?!
[20:37:46] Beirdo: oh
[20:37:52] Beirdo: The 2 Live Crew
[20:41:17] Beirdo: the intro to this song will soon be my ringtone, I think
[20:41:28] Beirdo: GNR – Sweet Child O' Mine
[20:41:30] Beirdo: mmmm
[20:44:57] Beirdo: or I could be a complete jerk and use the guitar solo :)
[20:45:01] Beirdo: hehehe
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[20:48:31] Beirdo: good luck with that
[20:48:41] Beirdo: it's not publicly available yet ;)
[20:49:27] ** dustybin logs out of Beirdo box **
[20:50:04] Beirdo: heh, very funny
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[20:50:13] dustybin: :P
[20:53:35] dustybin: if i am watching a tv show, and i suddenly decide to start recording it, i like the way mythtv keeps the whole show, not just the part when i pressed record on my remote D
[20:54:38] [R]: well myth is always recording
[20:54:52] dustybin: aye indeed
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[21:11:32] dustybin: wonders of the solar system, excellent :D
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[21:26:33] Beirdo: BLARGH!
[21:26:44] bjd: I totally agree.
[21:26:47] Beirdo: come on, virtualbox... let me share a folder!
[21:27:21] Beirdo: no such device.
[21:27:23] Beirdo: whatever
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[21:27:54] Beirdo: oooooh
[21:28:07] Beirdo: kernel upgrade... likely need to reinstall the utils
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[21:40:11] Oleg_: Hi. Does mythtv support displaying subtitles in blu-rays?
[21:40:22] Oleg_: does it support a dvd or blu-ray menu?
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[21:43:21] iamlindoro: Myth supports subtitles in raw blu ray movie files (m2ts), and DVD menus. Nothing supports blu ray menus.
[21:43:27] iamlindoro: well, besides a blu ray player
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[21:44:20] Oleg_: wow, then I dunno why mplayer doesn't support subs in m2ts files
[21:44:41] Beirdo: ummm, because apples & oranges
[21:44:42] iamlindoro: because your mplayer is too old, most likely, any current copy of mplayer should support them fine
[21:44:51] Oleg_: no
[21:44:55] iamlindoro: yes
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[21:45:02] bjd: lol Beirdo
[21:45:14] Oleg_: you're saying that the current mplayer from svn supports subs in m2ts files?
[21:45:22] Beirdo: is this #mplayer?
[21:45:28] iamlindoro: It most definitely is not
[21:45:35] iamlindoro: you should go there if you'd like to talk about mplayer
[21:45:51] Oleg_: well, I can tell you that mplayer doesn't support this feature :)
[21:46:00] iamlindoro: And I can tell you that you are wrong, end of discussion
[21:46:24] Oleg_: ok, is mythtv only graphical or is it possible to install it as a command line app?
[21:46:39] iamlindoro: MythTV is a quite of applications and is not meant for use as a command line player
[21:46:43] iamlindoro: er suite
[21:47:33] sceo: I built a new, beefier Myth machine in an old case. Now I got a new case and realize my old PVR-350 won't fit in it. I want to buy a new card that's half-sized so it'll fit in my slick PVR-style Antec case. Four+ years ago when I was building, the -350 was an obvious choice. Now my head is swimming with all the choices. I *think* what I want (based on Mythtv wiki) is a Digital Hardware-MPEG card, but how can I know if the cab
[21:48:09] bjd: think your text got truncated, "but how can I know if the cab...."?
[21:48:19] iamlindoro: "will drive me to best buy?"
[21:48:20] sceo: ...is a Digital Hardware-MPEG card, but how can I know if the cable coming out of my wall supports it?
[21:48:25] sceo: lol
[21:48:26] iamlindoro: "won't be driven by someone with a body odor problem?"
[21:48:33] sceo: (sorry, sometimes I type too much)
[21:48:57] iamlindoro: By choosing a card that is compatible with your locale-- in this case, the US
[21:49:30] iamlindoro: so any QAM tuner you buy in the US will work with your digital cable, and any NTSC tuner will work with analog transmission
[21:49:36] iamlindoro: that is *not* to say that it won't all be encrypted, though
[21:49:51] iamlindoro: Since you are likely to buy a digital tuner and only get a small subset of your channels, usually the locals
[21:50:29] Oleg_: I was just told that mythtv is just a graphical front-end for linux video players
[21:50:32] Oleg_: is it true?
[21:50:33] iamlindoro: No
[21:50:47] Beirdo: Oleg_: why don't you go to www.mythtv.org and read :)
[21:50:50] iamlindoro: Whoever said so has no idea what they're talking about
[21:51:21] sceo: iamlindoro hmm, so right now my pvr-350 gets me like 66 channels... if i bought a digital card, I might not even get all those 66?
[21:51:30] purserj: Oleg_: mythtv is an integrated PVR application. Comes with it's own media player but can use others for the more esoteric file formats
[21:51:49] iamlindoro: sceo, What you get on your PVR-350 would be equivalent to what you would get with the analog side of any analog or hybrid card
[21:52:20] iamlindoro: Beyond those analog channels, you could likely (but by no means a guarantee) also tune your local channels in digital, generally in HD
[21:52:59] iamlindoro: bear in mind that your digital selection is likely to be fairly limited because most of the channels are likely to be encrypted, but FCC regulations provide for all local channels to be broadcast without encryption
[21:53:18] iamlindoro: meaning your local NBC, CBS, Fox, and ABC affiliates, generally
[21:53:31] iamlindoro: and usually a smattering of other things like community channels
[21:54:14] ** Beirdo yawns again **
[21:54:23] Beirdo: wow. packing stuff is hard works ;)
[21:54:28] Beirdo: work even
[21:54:44] sceo: iamlindo; ok, so there's not necessarily overlap between the digital channels and analog (i.e. they aren't necessarily broadcasting all the analog channels in digital)?
[21:54:46] sceo: cuz here's what's weird. I plugged from the wall directly into my new tv that has a digital tuner. It found "66" analog channels" and something huge like 236 "digital" channels. When I then scanned through, it showed me the 66 analog but then only like 60 digital channels (with 45 of them being the music channels, and some of them being HD sports)
[21:55:14] iamlindoro: sceo, generally the channels available in digital format will be a subset of those you get in analog
[21:55:17] Beirdo: gah, oops. just committed some PDFs as executables?!
[21:55:37] sceo: So (and I don't know if I'm using the right word here), I didn't know if Charter (my cable co.) was "simulcasting" all of the analogs ALSO as digital and they were being remapped.
[21:56:03] sceo: iamlindoro, but I *think* from talking it out is that I probably want to find a hybrid card that works and comes in half-height.
[21:56:12] sceo: ....right?  :)
[21:56:38] iamlindoro: Dual tuner would be better (where the digital and analog sides are independent and usable at once) but yes-- not much in low profile that's any good, though
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[21:56:58] Beirdo: kormoc: I'll AFK you!
[21:56:58] ** iamlindoro goes back to work **
[21:57:08] Beirdo: heh
[21:57:10] sceo: iamlindoro. gotcha. Thank you *SO MUCH*
[21:57:13] iamlindoro: np
[21:57:25] bjd: Beirdo: where are you moving from?
[21:57:33] Beirdo: Puerto Rico to Seattle
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[21:58:04] bjd: thats quite a move
[21:58:13] Beirdo: yup.
[21:58:35] Beirdo: I look forward to it, even if it is cooler temperatures :)
[21:58:50] bjd: it's near vancouver! constant rain!
[21:58:59] Beirdo: meh
[21:59:03] Beirdo: whatever.
[21:59:06] Beirdo: :)
[21:59:16] Beirdo: and closer to Victoria
[21:59:38] bjd: whats in Victoria?
[21:59:56] Beirdo: Canada
[21:59:57] bjd: i did a day trip there, can't say i was too keen on the place :p
[21:59:57] Beirdo: :)
[22:00:20] Beirdo: and apparently just about the best Victoria Day celebrations in the country
[22:00:24] Beirdo: big surprise
[22:00:39] Beirdo: the day AND the town both named for the same Queen
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[22:03:38] kormoc: bjd: we only say it rains to keep people from visiting/moving, alas it doesn't always work ;)
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[22:03:56] Beirdo: HAY
[22:04:01] Beirdo: Hey rather :)
[22:04:04] kormoc: :P
[22:04:12] bjd: heh, are you a vancouverite then?
[22:04:17] Beirdo: me?
[22:04:19] Beirdo: heck no
[22:04:22] bjd: kormoc:
[22:04:27] Beirdo: I grew up in Muskoka
[22:04:31] kormoc: Negative, Seattlite
[22:04:35] bjd: ah
[22:04:59] Beirdo: and then to Waterloo, Ottawa, Toronto, Puerto Rico, and now Seattle :)
[22:06:57] Beirdo: hmmm, where did I put those spice simulations?
[22:08:30] Beirdo: found em
[22:08:40] Beirdo: time to stuff everything into git before I lose em
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[22:13:14] Beirdo: hmmm
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[22:15:21] Beirdo: hehe, wonder how well mythtv would work under virtualbox
[22:17:03] [R]: which part of myth
[22:17:31] Beirdo: frontend, primarily. bet it would work better than in Xvnc
[22:18:03] ** cesman wonders why XvMC gets such a bad rap **
[22:18:18] Beirdo: who said anything about that?
[22:18:26] Beirdo: Xvnc... as in vnc
[22:18:29] cesman: hehehe
[22:18:34] [R]: cesman: cuz its crap
[22:18:34] cesman: font is too small
[22:18:50] [R]: Beirdo: well your not gonna get Xv
[22:18:51] cesman: [R]: works well here
[22:18:53] [R]: Beirdo: so not very well
[22:18:53] Beirdo: [R]: not crap, just outdated
[22:18:57] Beirdo: and...
[22:19:02] [R]: cesman: well if you just play sd mpeg2
[22:19:09] Beirdo: I will get Xv with virtualbox
[22:19:14] [R]: vbox does xv?
[22:19:16] [R]: hrm
[22:19:19] cesman: [R]: if you say so...
[22:19:27] Beirdo: it shows in xdpyinfo
[22:19:30] Beirdo: and glx
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[22:26:51] Beirdo: iamlindoro: what's with the huge burst of commits when we are supposed to be frozen?
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[22:28:35] iamlindoro: well, just feature frozen, so bugfixes are fair game (and new features are fine for trunk), though I agree that one or two of those stepped afoul of the rules
[22:28:53] iamlindoro: Anyway, I still intend to push for a release tomorrow and we can get on with our lives
[22:29:25] Beirdo: well... some of those were clear "enhancement – minor" tickets
[22:29:34] Beirdo: that doesn't seem right to me :)
[22:29:38] iamlindoro: Preaching to the choir my friend
[22:29:44] Beirdo: gotcha
[22:29:56] Beirdo: if we release tomorrow, that would be cool
[22:30:16] bjd: that soon :o
[22:30:18] Beirdo: then I can check in my mythweather changes.... later tomorrow. Or Tuesday :)
[22:30:19] iamlindoro: No blockers in like two weeks, don't see a need to keep grinding on it
[22:30:28] iamlindoro: Beirdo, I think trunk is fair game
[22:30:34] iamlindoro: go for it if you have new code
[22:30:41] Beirdo: muhahaha
[22:30:42] Beirdo: OK.
[22:31:08] Beirdo: I will have to turn that machine on again... I guess later this evening
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[22:32:22] Beirdo: as my machines will be moving around in the next few days... It will be nice to get that in before I pack everything up, etc
[22:33:15] Beirdo: it can wait until after release though, actually
[22:33:48] Beirdo: as I'd want to work with the themers to add the copyright string to each page, and I'd rather do that after the release
[22:34:17] Beirdo: especially as one of said themers is likely to be busy DOING the release :)
[22:35:05] Beirdo: but I guess the code changes can go in before the new scripts
[22:37:59] kisak: I have a dedicated mythfrontend that was working this morning, I did some updates to gentoo, now it doesn't want to launch mythfrontend (it's an autostarter)
[22:38:17] kisak: I mean autostarter setut
[22:38:25] kisak: *setup
[22:38:59] ** kisak swats at the typo fairy **
[22:39:37] kisak: I'm having trouble pinning down where it's falling out
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[23:13:16] sphery: heh, it's amazing how many people announce to the MythTV mailing lists that they just got a brand new iPhone
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[23:13:41] bjd: for real?
[23:13:59] wagnerrp: because were supposed to care about their new 'yesterday's hot gadget'?
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[23:16:09] sphery: well, we've gotten a /ton/ of e-mails that are nothing but a quote of a previously sent e-mail with the words, "Sent from my iPhone" top-posted
[23:16:19] wagnerrp: oh
[23:16:24] sid3windr: :)
[23:16:26] sphery: in other words, these people buy a new iPhone, don't know how to use it, then send an e-mail to the list by accident
[23:16:30] wagnerrp: so were getting people who announce that theyre retards
[23:16:41] sphery: yeah, that's the other interpretation of those messages
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[23:16:46] AndyCap: but Steve said it was ok.
[23:16:56] sphery: but I was trying to do the glass-half-full thing :)
[23:17:06] wagnerrp: Steve said poor email etiquette was OK?
[23:17:09] kormoc: nah, if Steve knew, he'd revoke their apple card for being uncool
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[23:19:56] sid3windr: :)
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[23:23:59] wagnerrp: someone claims to have rooted the iPad
[23:24:07] wagnerrp: sounds like Apple didnt try to hard this time around
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[23:26:21] kormoc: wagnerrp: it's the same os, same way to root I'd imagine
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[23:35:02] wagnerrp: well this is an interesting concept.... http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160 . . . cid=31727858
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[23:37:27] matmatmat: wasnt the root password of the iphone "alpine"? a word from a dictionary
[23:37:45] matmatmat: not exactly a secure password
[23:38:02] sphery: scott/tiger
[23:38:08] sphery: Unbreakable Oracle
[23:38:09] AndyCap: matmatmat: well, they didn't plan on using it for anything. :P
[23:38:35] sphery: granted, that's a guest/test account, but still
[23:38:47] AndyCap: snake and gonzo
[23:38:57] sphery: wonder if the apple products all have the defective-by-design designation...
[23:39:28] sphery: looks like
[23:41:36] matmatmat: anyways
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[23:47:46] Wicked: wasnt root dottie?
[23:49:05] matmatmat: that comment makes a lot of sense. its in apples intrest to have it rooted. its a good thing to be able to jailbreak it. even if you dont do it. try discussing about iphone features with an average user .. theyd defend the lack of multitasking by telling you: i could jailbreak it if i wanted.
[23:50:18] wagnerrp: what exactly does the 'lack of multitasking' mean?
[23:50:24] wagnerrp: you literally can only have one thing open?
[23:50:30] wagnerrp: you have to close it to go into something else?
[23:50:37] matmatmat: exactly
[23:50:44] wagnerrp: or does it just sit paused in the background waiting for you to switch back to it?
[23:50:47] matmatmat: no
[23:50:57] matmatmat: thatd be multitasking
[23:51:07] matmatmat: in the iphone sense
[23:51:11] wagnerrp: what if you have a browser open, and you get an inbound call?
[23:51:16] wagnerrp: you have to close the browser to take the call?
[23:51:21] matmatmat: bad luck
[23:51:24] wagnerrp: or you have an existing IM session going
[23:51:31] matmatmat: same
[23:51:33] wagnerrp: or youre working on an email
[23:52:09] wagnerrp: that is the. most. retarded. thing i have ever heard
[23:52:19] matmatmat: not sure, i think theres some sort of seperate email program, but basically its the same
[23:52:23] wagnerrp: no wonder these iphone users have to be excused for the brevity of their emails
[23:52:25] matmatmat: i think it has autosave
[23:52:37] matmatmat: hah
[23:52:45] matmatmat: plus its still a phone
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[23:56:54] mellofone: hello
[23:57:11] mellofone: does anyone out there have a recommendation of a hardware based media player that works with Myth?
[23:57:18] mellofone: something similiar to the PS3, but cheaper
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[23:58:37] [R]: theres disucssions of various hardware upnp devices on the mailing list
[23:58:53] [R]: but unless your media is in a format that works directly with the device
[23:58:55] [R]: its tricky

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