| Thursday, April 1st, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:29] | oobe: | i just finished testing a perl script that captures hulu vids |
| [00:00:36] | oobe: | works well |
| [00:00:56] | iamlindoro: | oobe, Are you trying to get kicked? |
| [00:01:09] | oobe: | no |
| [00:01:25] | iamlindoro: | a) You're not anywhere it's legal to view Hulu, b) what you describe above is illegal |
| [00:01:29] | iamlindoro: | so you're just stupid, then? |
| [00:01:34] | wagnerrp: | so Uwe Boll is suing some 2000 people for downloading Far Cry over bittorrent |
| [00:01:46] | iamlindoro: | You've managed to go this long in ehre without getting it through your skull that theft = ban? |
| [00:02:08] | wagnerrp: | i say we need to file a class action suit against him, for soiling treasured gaming memories |
| [00:02:33] | wagnerrp: | im sure we could somehow pin emotional trauma and therapy fees on him |
| [00:04:39] | ** Beirdo yawns mightily ** | |
| [00:04:53] | Beirdo: | wow. |
| [00:05:04] | Beirdo: | yawn, and on comes a headache? |
| [00:05:09] | meshe_ is now known as tink | |
| [00:05:12] | Beirdo: | I don't get my stupid body |
| [00:05:15] | iamlindoro: | yawn comes a headache! |
| [00:05:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: perhaps you're yawning too big |
| [00:05:22] | iamlindoro: | Yon, comes a headache! |
| [00:05:39] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: hehe, we've had a few of those situations lately |
| [00:05:47] | Beirdo: | sphery: could be, dunno |
| [00:06:04] | Beirdo: | I think it's my body's way to say "more coffee, please" |
| [00:06:07] | iamlindoro: | I've decided that anyone in the past who only did an OSD theme is lazy :) |
| [00:06:11] | Beirdo: | I didn't make any at work today |
| [00:06:24] | iamlindoro: | I've put an aggregate 2 hours of work into this thing and it's basically complete |
| [00:06:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro: while watching TV, right? |
| [00:06:48] | iamlindoro: | heh, some of it |
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| [00:07:33] | Beirdo: | hello... goodbye |
| [00:07:41] | Beirdo: | !trout Cipher42 |
| [00:07:41] | ** MythLogBot slaps Cipher42 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
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| [00:08:53] | Beirdo: | ok.shawcable.net? I thought Shaw was in Canada, not Oklahoma |
| [00:10:15] | Beirdo: | dserban__: whazzup with that? |
| [00:12:31] | ** Beirdo is bored ** | |
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| [00:18:14] | Beirdo: | oooh, I'm home... I should play some Van Halen |
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| [00:20:54] | Beirdo: | What the heck?! |
| [00:21:03] | Beirdo: | there's NO Van Halen in my iTunes?! |
| [00:21:15] | Beirdo: | what's going on here, I KNOW I had a pile of it |
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| [00:23:45] | Beirdo: | iTunes is putzed |
| [00:25:14] | Beirdo: | Ahhh, but VLC sees the files |
| [00:25:17] | Beirdo: | good enough |
| [00:25:50] | Beirdo: | and YES these are songs I own the CDs to and ripped myself for the iPod to listen to at work :) |
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| [01:01:48] | jpabq: | ThisOtherGuy, re: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8261 are you running the optional patches listed on the wiki? |
| [01:23:05] | dibbz: | skipping thru channel 7 recordings in australia is hanging my frontend.., how can i gather evidence to submit a useful bug report |
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| [01:38:04] | beav_35: | When I try to delete files from mythvideo it says "failed to delete file" |
| [01:38:24] | beav_35: | any ideas why this would happen? |
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| [01:41:23] | beav_35: | anyone? |
| [01:42:28] | sphery: | bad file permiissions? |
| [01:42:31] | wagnerrp: | it failed to delete the file, because the backend told it the delete failed |
| [01:42:36] | wagnerrp: | which could be for one of two reasons |
| [01:42:47] | wagnerrp: | either the backend does not have file permission to delete the file |
| [01:42:55] | wagnerrp: | or the file does not exist to be deleted |
| [01:43:07] | beav_35: | the file does exist |
| [01:43:18] | beav_35: | i will check what the permissions are |
| [01:44:28] | beav_35: | the file has 777 |
| [01:45:35] | beav_35: | is that all it needs? |
| [01:47:13] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs to see why the delete failed |
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| [01:50:26] | beav_35: | there are no errors |
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| [01:53:05] | beav_35: | any other ideas? |
| [01:55:07] | wagnerrp: | you checked the backend logs? not the frontend or apache logs? |
| [01:55:51] | beav_35: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
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| [02:03:03] | beav_35: | wagnerrp: is that right? |
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| [02:23:18] | plut0: | any idea how to fix this? "Protocol version check failure. The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty" frontend is different from the backend |
| [02:23:51] | wagnerrp: | something other than a functioning backend is listening on port 6543 |
| [02:24:18] | plut0: | backend is working fine, trying to add a new frontend |
| [02:24:34] | plut0: | never done this before |
| [02:24:49] | plut0: | always had the frontend and backend on the same machine |
| [02:26:35] | iamlindoro: | your frontend and backend are different versions. They need to match. |
| [02:27:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the fact that there was no response from the backend means something bad |
| [02:27:14] | wagnerrp: | you said youre trying to add a new, remote frontend? |
| [02:27:31] | plut0: | they probably are different versions |
| [02:27:40] | wagnerrp: | have you updated recently? |
| [02:28:10] | plut0: | backend is gentoo, frontend is ubuntu |
| [02:28:14] | sphery: | plut0: or your frontend is unable to connect to the backend |
| [02:28:27] | sphery: | plut0: post full logs--chances are the real error is elsewhere |
| [02:28:36] | plut0: | ok one sec |
| [02:28:36] | sphery: | pastebin, please |
| [02:28:44] | sphery: | (not pasted here :) |
| [02:29:48] | tbone0: | Got a question I know most myth developers have been using nvidia well because they were better, but now that ati has surpassed nvidia any interest in getting va-api into myth? |
| [02:30:04] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:30:10] | sphery: | some are working on it |
| [02:30:15] | plut0: | http://pastebin.com/0UvWsFw9 |
| [02:30:21] | sphery: | or at least planning it |
| [02:30:40] | sphery: | plut0: # |
| [02:30:42] | sphery: | 2010-03–31 22:29:01.851 MythSocket(22b6db0:40): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms. |
| [02:30:46] | sphery: | is your real isue |
| [02:31:23] | wagnerrp: | youre connecting to something |
| [02:31:29] | plut0: | i can telnet to the port |
| [02:31:29] | wagnerrp: | but that something is not a functional backend |
| [02:31:33] | sphery: | make sure you have set proper master backend IP address and that you've specified the Security PIN properly |
| [02:31:50] | plut0: | i assure the backend is working fine, has been for 5+ years |
| [02:32:06] | sphery: | but it's not configured fine |
| [02:32:09] | sphery: | I assure you of that |
| [02:32:10] | wagnerrp: | .... HOSTNAME INSTEAD OF IP! HOSTNAME INSTEAD OF IP |
| [02:32:10] | tbone0: | thanks guys! Just wondering before i splash the cash. |
| [02:32:27] | plut0: | what do you want me to do? |
| [02:32:28] | sphery: | tbone0: soon isn't in the plan, though :) |
| [02:32:52] | sphery: | plut0: make sure you have set proper master backend IP address |
| [02:32:52] | wagnerrp: | you remember that place in mythtv-setup, where it asked for the address of the backend |
| [02:32:56] | sphery: | you know, where you put the hostname |
| [02:32:58] | wagnerrp: | so you put the hostname, twice? |
| [02:33:24] | plut0: | yes |
| [02:33:45] | wagnerrp: | well... when it said 'IP', it really meant 'IP or any other network identifier you wish' |
| [02:33:50] | wagnerrp: | erm... |
| [02:33:51] | sphery: | make sure you have set proper master backend IP address |
| [02:34:02] | wagnerrp: | not that big long string |
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| [02:34:22] | plut0: | mythtv is a dns address on my local network |
| [02:34:26] | sphery: | make sure you have set proper master backend IP address |
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| [02:34:31] | wagnerrp: | it needs to be an IP, and not some other identifier like a hostname |
| [02:34:32] | iamlindoro: | does |
| [02:34:33] | iamlindoro: | not |
| [02:34:34] | iamlindoro: | matter |
| [02:34:41] | sphery: | make sure you have set proper master backend IP address |
| [02:34:41] | iamlindoro: | please don't make all these nice people argue with you |
| [02:34:43] | plut0: | IP isn't working either |
| [02:34:51] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted the backend? |
| [02:35:01] | iamlindoro: | if you have changed to IPs, let's see the logs |
| [02:35:04] | sphery: | all frontends and backends, really |
| [02:35:12] | sphery: | need restarting, that is |
| [02:35:13] | plut0: | k i'll post log again hold on |
| [02:35:22] | tbone0: | sphery: yeah thats fine, I am a patient man. If you guys were like f amd and it basically was no interest by the developers, then I might not get it. |
| [02:35:41] | wagnerrp: | tbone0: its not that there is no interest |
| [02:35:48] | plut0: | http://pastebin.com/n1qUN5hH |
| [02:35:50] | wagnerrp: | its more than AMD has been talking about this for several years |
| [02:36:00] | wagnerrp: | and only in the past couple months actually delivered on the goods |
| [02:36:18] | tbone0: | oh i know it wagner. |
| [02:36:53] | wagnerrp: | plut0: and you have restarted the backend, so that it is now actually listening on a valid IP? |
| [02:37:01] | tbone0: | It must be the smell of money that got there rumps in gear |
| [02:37:08] | wagnerrp: | prior to trying to access it from the frontend? |
| [02:37:22] | plut0: | wagnerrp: why do i need to restart the backend? |
| [02:37:32] | beav_35: | When I try to delete files from mythvideo it still says "failed to delete file". can someone help me with this? |
| [02:37:33] | wagnerrp: | because your gave it a bad setting |
| [02:37:41] | plut0: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| [02:37:55] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt think it is the master backend |
| [02:38:07] | wagnerrp: | so it is stuck in a loop trying to connect to itself as the master, and failing |
| [02:38:17] | wagnerrp: | and will not become active until it does connect to the master |
| [02:38:18] | sphery: | tbone0: as long as patience means, "I'm buying a computer with a properly-chosen CPU to be able to do software decoding of all the material that I want to watch, and I am willing to live with all the issues in the ATI driver that make the ATI card which 'has surpassed nvidia' less functional than an nvidia card because my desire to use ATI is stronger than my desire to get a DVR working quickly and easily" |
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| [02:38:26] | sphery: | then you'll be all set :) |
| [02:38:52] | wagnerrp: | were not just trying to screw with you when we tell you that you need to restart various processes to get it to work |
| [02:38:57] | plut0: | wagnerrp: you lost me, do you want me to restart the backend on my frontend? |
| [02:38:59] | ScumBag: | I'm having a problem with Miro, I'm sure this isn't the place but I have to start somewhere. I can't download feeds from ezrss in Miro, but I can open them in Firefox with no problems. |
| [02:39:15] | wagnerrp: | hold on for a second |
| [02:39:26] | iamlindoro: | ScumBag, are you asking about miro, or mirobridge? |
| [02:39:29] | wagnerrp: | youre not trying to run a separate backend and/or database on your remote frontend are you? |
| [02:39:31] | sphery: | tbone0: (That said, I like ATI/AMD. Just want you to be properly warned. IMHO, their proprietary drivers are useless, and the FOSS drivers make the card into a framebuffer on steroids.) |
| [02:39:36] | ScumBag: | Sorry, Miro |
| [02:39:42] | iamlindoro: | ScumBag, actually, scratch that, we won't help you here because we don't want to help you be a thief |
| [02:39:46] | iamlindoro: | Please leave |
| [02:39:46] | plut0: | wagnerrp: i'm trying to add a frontend on another pc |
| [02:40:07] | jamesd_laptop: | i am glad i am not a antenna specialist... after reading various sites on how to improve tv reception, turns out that that the best place for my antenna is lower, and closer to my computers and just about every other major source of interference in the room... and only one antenna not two.... |
| [02:40:11] | wagnerrp: | and the only thing youre trying to run on the remote pc is 'mythfrontend', correct? |
| [02:40:17] | ScumBag: | Good one, thanks for the help. |
| [02:40:17] | plut0: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [02:40:22] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [02:40:34] | iamlindoro: | That's all the help you'll get here, I promise |
| [02:40:41] | sphery: | plut0: did you set the security PIN properly? |
| [02:40:47] | wagnerrp: | you ran mythtv-setup on the machine running the backend, and changed those two fields into the IP of that machine? |
| [02:40:49] | plut0: | probably not |
| [02:41:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: only matters if it doesnt already know the address of the database |
| [02:41:10] | tbone0: | sphery: lol, yes i know. But, that said I like where the open source drivers are going, just going to be a couple years for them to catch up on 10 generations of hardware |
| [02:41:16] | plut0: | sphery: whats the PIN for? |
| [02:41:25] | wagnerrp: | UPNP autodetection of the backend |
| [02:41:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the one that prevents connections does, unless I"m completely mistaken |
| [02:41:37] | plut0: | wagnerrp: i'd have to check the backend |
| [02:41:39] | sphery: | if you have it set to blank, no one can connect |
| [02:41:48] | plut0: | so i need to set a PIN? |
| [02:41:54] | k-man: | how's .23 coming along? |
| [02:42:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if you set it to nothing, it just wont broadcast over UPNP |
| [02:42:10] | wagnerrp: | plut0: no, you dont |
| [02:42:22] | plut0: | ok let me check the backend brb |
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| [02:42:29] | tbone0: | .23 is better than .22, thats all i know |
| [02:42:45] | wagnerrp: | plut0: where did you run mythtv-setup, to fix the address of the backend? |
| [02:43:21] | sphery: | "Security Pin (Required): Pin code required for a frontend to connect to the backend. Blank prevents all connections, 0000 allows any client to connect." |
| [02:43:30] | sphery: | that's the one I mean |
| [02:43:45] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup |
| [02:43:46] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, thats only for the UPNP auto-detection |
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| [02:44:07] | wagnerrp: | blank prevents the backend from responding to an m-search |
| [02:44:16] | sphery: | I don't use UPnP auto-negotiation, but I still have to have that set |
| [02:44:28] | wagnerrp: | 0000 is just the first thing a frontend tries, before asking the user for the proper pin |
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| [02:46:57] | tbone0: | does nvidia or ati every submit stuff to myth? |
| [02:47:10] | plut0: | ok its working now |
| [02:47:36] | tbone0: | like have there own developers, submit patches,etc.. |
| [02:48:01] | plut0: | ran mythtv-setup on the backend, reconfigured for local net IP instead of localhost |
| [02:48:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: then maybe I just needed it so MythWeb would work |
| [02:48:15] | plut0: | frontend can connect fine now |
| [02:48:15] | sphery: | but still, it should be set to something non-blank if you have more than one system |
| [02:48:30] | plut0: | wagnerrp: thanks for the help |
| [02:52:03] | sphery: | tbone0: Don't know if any of the patches have been submitted by their people (though, really, you could say that a /huge/ amount of code was written by nvidia devs...). We have gotten mention in the change logs for their drivers before ("Fixes <whatever> which is required by MythTV..." type things). |
| [02:53:49] | Beirdo: | it still amazes me just how large of a wall of sound one guitar, one bass and a drum kit can make (plus singer of course) |
| [02:57:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: think it would be of any use to put in a regex check on the IP fields? |
| [02:57:35] | wagnerrp: | or do you think someone will put together the new setup by the time 0.24 comes around? |
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| [02:58:22] | wagnerrp: | im already doing something similar in the bindings |
| [02:58:33] | sphery: | not sure |
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| [03:00:13] | wagnerrp: | lets see if i can rig that together... |
| [03:00:13] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, the current setup isn't designed to give any kind of feedback |
| [03:00:33] | wagnerrp: | theres no error popups? |
| [03:00:53] | sphery: | easiest approach would be just pushing them back to the text box and maybe making an error appear |
| [03:00:53] | wagnerrp: | i figured i would check if it were an ip |
| [03:01:00] | sphery: | though that's not very nice of a UI design |
| [03:01:14] | wagnerrp: | if not, try to do a lookup, and replace the hostname with the ip |
| [03:01:23] | wagnerrp: | and if not, throw up a popup like the frontend has |
| [03:01:24] | sphery: | might be able to do more, but I think it will all have to be Qt-based (since IIRC, you can't put mythui on top of Qt) |
| [03:01:49] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize mythtv-setup was straight Qt |
| [03:02:07] | sphery: | we should just rewrite it into mythui like a certain someone basically did, already |
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| [03:02:35] | sphery: | IMHO, it's still worth doing--even if we also have a web-based setup |
| [03:04:12] | wagnerrp: | well at that point, it would probably just be a UI frontend to the web-based one |
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| [03:07:52] | wagnerrp: | i guess if youre going to do it, you may as well do it properly, and just provide an enumerated list of IPs (like the previous rewrote) |
| [03:08:15] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:08:29] | sphery: | really wish his undelete worked :) |
| [03:13:55] | kormoc: | sphery: drink until it works or until you don't care anymore! |
| [03:14:20] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:14:28] | sphery: | though it's not my patch/undelete |
| [03:14:38] | sphery: | so it would end up being the latter :) |
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| [03:50:49] | resno: | how much would you pay for a pvr-150? |
| [03:50:56] | resno: | less then 20? |
| [03:51:15] | wagnerrp: | 20–30 |
| [03:51:32] | wagnerrp: | id prefer 20, absolutely wouldnt go over 30 |
| [03:52:34] | resno: | so, the pvr-150 and the hvr-1600 are still the best capture cards right? |
| [03:52:49] | wagnerrp: | for analog |
| [03:53:16] | wagnerrp: | specifically, standard definition analog |
| [03:53:32] | resno: | right, the 1600 has the split thing tho right? |
| [03:53:40] | wagnerrp: | split thing? |
| [03:53:48] | resno: | two inputs. one analog one digital. |
| [03:53:57] | wagnerrp: | correct, the 1600 is a dual tuner |
| [03:54:17] | resno: | whats the hd card of choice? |
| [03:54:26] | wagnerrp: | no such thing |
| [03:54:33] | resno: | LOL |
| [03:55:00] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR exists for high definition analog |
| [03:55:06] | wagnerrp: | however it is an external USB bos |
| [03:55:07] | wagnerrp: | box |
| [03:55:08] | resno: | ah, thats right. ok. |
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| [04:16:03] | tbone0: | just use mythmusic first time, very nice. FLAC is good. My only negative would be it doesn't let you exit while contuing to rip like mythdvd( which is very nice feature) |
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| [04:18:27] | wagnerrp: | there are plans for a rewrite in the next dev cycle or two |
| [04:18:43] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, it needs to be updated to MythUI |
| [04:19:22] | tbone0: | ahh, well still very nice, i didn't think it would rip to flac |
| [04:19:29] | tbone0: | nice supprise |
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| [04:23:28] | [R]: | wagnerrp: isn't there always plans for a rewrite of everything every cycle? |
| [04:23:36] | iamlindoro: | #8266, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [04:23:40] | iamlindoro: | *gaaasp* |
| [04:23:43] | iamlindoro: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| [04:25:44] | wagnerrp: | three years in the making |
| [04:26:22] | iamlindoro: | definitely lost: 1,248 bytes in 10 blocks |
| [04:26:33] | iamlindoro: | indirectly lost: 7,982 bytes in 173 blocks |
| [04:26:40] | iamlindoro: | possibly lost: 4,432,515 bytes in 10,868 blocks |
| [04:26:56] | iamlindoro: | so 8K of leak, WOW |
| [04:27:34] | iamlindoro: | (ignoring "possibly"s) |
| [04:27:34] | wagnerrp: | the rest are stuff valgrind doesnt handle properly due to Qt? |
| [04:32:23] | wagnerrp: | hold on there... |
| [04:32:30] | wagnerrp: | did you just post THREE lines? |
| [04:32:49] | clever: | the limit is 2 lines, and ive been warned for 2 |
| [04:32:54] | clever: | get out the boot! |
| [04:39:51] | kormoc: | He posted two and then one :P |
| [04:40:00] | iamlindoro: | well okay, but I don't see how it'll help |
| [04:40:03] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [04:40:09] | clever has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (clever) | |
| [04:40:13] | iamlindoro: | No, see? |
| [04:40:15] | iamlindoro: | That' didn't help |
| [04:40:15] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:40:18] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [04:40:22] | iamlindoro: | I didn't learn anything |
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| [04:40:28] | clever: | bugger:P |
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| [04:44:00] | jstenback: | justinh: yt? |
| [04:50:07] | tbone0: | my wife and daughter travel to competitions alot, and whell they want to bring mythtv with them, at like the recordings they like. the laptop doesn't have the space for terabytes of crapola any suggestions? |
| [04:50:28] | tbone0: | blah too much wine |
| [04:53:23] | clever: | tbone0: posibly mythweb's streaming |
| [04:53:39] | clever: | tbone0: and if it still exists, < justinh> think this might need dealing with http://mythtv.org/wiki/Upload_recording_to_an . . . the_internet (!) |
| [04:54:53] | clever: | http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:WzWfH6KRp . . . nk&gl=ca |
| [04:55:26] | iamlindoro: | clever, It was deleted for a reason |
| [04:55:43] | iamlindoro: | And you have been warned *many* times about theft and violations of ToS |
| [04:55:43] | clever: | i know, but it sounds like the kind of thing that would solve tbone0's problem |
| [04:55:51] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [04:55:51] | clever: | assuming he wants to stay within the law |
| [04:56:03] | tbone0: | clever: just to elaborate a little further they don't care about getting the shows since they left, just updating the shows to the point they left at |
| [04:56:03] | iamlindoro: | and what about Terms of Service, clever? |
| [04:56:41] | ** clever looks over them ** | |
| [04:57:05] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [04:57:14] | iamlindoro: | clever, last warning, end of conversation |
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| [05:01:39] | tbone0: | gots to love google cache |
| [05:01:54] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:02:05] | clever: | they even let my bypass the schools pron filter :P |
| [05:02:31] | tbone0: | real clever |
| [05:02:50] | clever: | knowing them, they would probly ban google if they found out:P |
| [05:05:17] | wagnerrp: | huh... my ISP's mail server seems to be dead |
| [05:05:21] | jamesd_laptop: | clever, the real clever way is to run squid/proxy at home.. and use ssh to tunnel to the proxy.. and reset's firefox/ie proxy to your box... then no limits and they will have no clue how you are accessing thee pr0n |
| [05:06:02] | wagnerrp: | of course they could block ssh, and 'your box' |
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| [05:06:25] | clever: | jamesd_laptop: yeah, i was running pcanywhere over port 21/80 (non-blocked ports) to take full control of my home system at the time |
| [05:06:34] | clever: | that let me access anything |
| [05:07:17] | jamesd_laptop: | wagnerrp, that is why you use port 443 for ssh, so that they think its just another https page being loaded. |
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| [05:07:56] | clever: | encrypted garbage on a port for encrypted http |
| [05:08:13] | clever: | wont know the difference enless they try to analyze the protocol |
| [05:08:44] | clever: | and the tech guys i did see, where changing out PCI cards while the standby power was still active.... |
| [05:08:52] | jamesd_laptop: | which is beyond most tech's ability. |
| [05:12:38] | wagnerrp: | as in the system was in standby? or the system was plugged in and receiving 5VSB? |
| [05:13:09] | clever: | wagnerrp: the system was properly shutdown, but the green led's on the back where still on |
| [05:13:30] | wagnerrp: | you mean the ones on the network cards? |
| [05:13:43] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:14:28] | tbone0: | I thought of doing live streaming but thought didn't think to much about it cuz i just assumed that it would be to laggy, using what some 3g laptop card. Anyone see this work? |
| [05:14:56] | clever: | tbone0: the flash streaming is recompressed to fit into small bandwidth pipes |
| [05:15:07] | clever: | and if you edit the code, you can set any bitrate you want |
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| [05:15:55] | clever: | but you do loose the comercial flagging (enless its setup to automaticaly cut them out) |
| [05:17:20] | tbone0: | good to know. |
| [05:17:55] | tbone0: | I don't see why you have to take down that weblink, just claim its for something legal |
| [05:18:14] | tbone0: | like house security crap |
| [05:18:18] | tbone0: | survellance |
| [05:18:30] | clever: | you wouldnt use mythtv to record your security cameras |
| [05:18:39] | tbone0: | why not i do |
| [05:18:40] | clever: | that sounds more like a task for zone minder |
| [05:18:51] | clever: | mythtv is meant to record only certain things on a schedule |
| [05:19:06] | clever: | schedules direct doesnt have the robery of your house at 5pm tomorow :P |
| [05:19:37] | clever: | personaly, i would use motion for recording the cameras |
| [05:19:48] | tbone0: | yeah but the user use stuff in ways the developers might not have anticipated |
| [05:19:55] | clever: | it will only record when things actualy move, saving alot of space |
| [05:20:12] | clever: | yeah, ive run a frontend/backend over the web before |
| [05:20:22] | clever: | had to move the files over manualy well ahead of time |
| [05:20:29] | clever: | extremely laggy, but it did 'work' |
| [05:20:32] | tbone0: | yeah, but if your looking for a good excuse to have something its easy enough |
| [05:20:54] | clever: | not something id recomend another user to do |
| [05:21:02] | clever: | metter to have seperate master backends |
| [05:21:08] | clever: | better* |
| [05:21:19] | clever: | or a fully custom setup on the mobile end |
| [05:22:10] | clever: | ive thought about this before to have a frontend in the van and sync it to the house when in wifi range |
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| [05:22:56] | clever: | maybe use the 3g connection to control the scheduling changes |
| [05:22:58] | tbone0: | I think the easyest soulution is |
| [05:23:28] | tbone0: | to raid duplicate an my myth setup |
| [05:23:54] | tbone0: | and just detach the external harddrive when they travel and send it with them |
| [05:24:05] | clever: | that kinda works |
| [05:24:12] | clever: | it will complain about the tuner being gone and stuff |
| [05:24:16] | tbone0: | i don't know just pondering |
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| [05:30:31] | tbone0: | I mean ideally lets think of how it should be. Recordings should be seperate per user so you don't get everyone's crap, The whole database organizational struture really complicates this. |
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| [05:31:04] | clever: | i'm using the storage groups for that |
| [05:31:13] | clever: | i tag stuff for my dad under the dad storage group |
| [05:31:21] | clever: | so i can filter it to his shows at the push of a button |
| [05:31:41] | clever: | wait no, recording groups |
| [05:31:44] | clever: | slightly different thing |
| [05:32:01] | tbone0: | how do you tag shows of him vs u for instance |
| [05:32:13] | clever: | in the recording rule properties |
| [05:32:15] | clever: | under storage |
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| [05:32:35] | clever: | let me get a screenshot |
| [05:34:08] | tbone0: | what and set each recording under the different users "personal storage group: |
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| [05:34:38] | clever: | tbone0: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/mythtv/ . . . %20group.png |
| [05:34:39] | tbone0: | i believe i see how you do that, very clever |
| [05:34:55] | clever: | if you hit M in the watch recordings window, you can change the filter |
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| [05:35:12] | clever: | so i can show just default (mine), or just dad's |
| [05:35:38] | clever: | and for shows that re-air alot and clutter default up a mess, i made a CSI and star trek recording groups |
| [05:36:17] | clever: | recording groups dont effect which drive the files go to, so the shows wont need there own disk |
| [05:36:42] | tbone0: | huh didn't even know about recording groups |
| [05:37:10] | clever: | under the info menu, you can also change existing recordings (one by one) to any group |
| [05:37:23] | clever: | livetv and un-delete also use them |
| [05:40:59] | tbone0: | thanks man, these are some good ideas that I will assimilate. |
| [05:42:24] | clever: | if you want a list of all files in a group, for copying to external media, its the 'recgroup' field on recorded |
| [05:42:53] | clever: | you might be able to copy just those rows (in recorded) to a seperate 'mythtv network' (backend and mysqld), and then copy the files over also |
| [05:43:23] | clever: | and copy the matching rows from recordedmarkup (i think) to get the comm flag marks |
| [05:46:10] | clever: | could all be done with 2 calls to mysqldump |
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| [05:49:46] | clever: | mysqldump can be given a WHERE clause, letting you limit which rows it dumps from the table |
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| [05:54:51] | tbone0: | thanks, i have to do some learning on mysql, basically all i know is its database, and i know what database does. But i have no knowlege on how to actully use it. |
| [05:58:12] | clever: | mysqldump -w 'recgroup = "dad"' mythconverg recorded -umythtv -ppassword |
| [05:58:25] | clever: | this command dumps a list of every recording in the 'dad' recording group |
| [06:01:21] | clever: | the 2nd one is being a pain, it wont let me access recorded without locking it but wont lock it either |
| [06:01:21] | clever: | mysqldump -w '(chanid,starttime) in (select chanid,starttime from recorded where recgroup = "dad")' mythconverg recordedmarkup -umythtv -pmythtv --lock-all-tables |
| [06:01:21] | clever: | it might work on your end |
| [06:01:46] | clever: | once you have those 2 bits of info, you can restore them to a 2nd mythtv setup |
| [06:01:58] | clever: | #mysql can probly help more with some parts |
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| [06:34:16] | hot_wheelz: | hi guys |
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| [06:34:41] | hot_wheelz: | can somone pls tell me how to fix this dvb0 is set start on witch doesnt exist |
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| [06:36:10] | [R]: | hot_wheelz: what? |
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| [06:38:10] | hot_wheelz: | i am getting error dvb0 is set start on witch doesnt exist |
| [06:38:51] | hot_wheelz: | I have channels in channel editor |
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| [06:39:31] | [R]: | i highly doubt you are getting an error that says "dvb0 is set start on witch doesnt exist" |
| [06:40:02] | clever: | on a channel which doesnt exist |
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| [06:55:35] | justinh: | jstenback: what? |
| [06:56:24] | jstenback: | justinh: hey there, I figured out that my stuttering video/audio is not mythtv's fault |
| [06:56:54] | justinh: | cool. what is it then? updates to X or ...? |
| [06:57:00] | jstenback: | justinh: not sure what it is yet, but I suspect the nvidia driver, as it was upgraded since my last working minimyth build |
| [06:57:15] | jstenback: | justinh: won't know until tomorrow if it's that or not, but I'll keep you posted |
| [06:57:16] | justinh: | when I had my epia frontend & was using minimyth I'd often run into issues like that |
| [06:57:29] | jstenback: | good to know... |
| [06:57:41] | jstenback: | I've been lucky I guess, until now |
| [06:57:43] | justinh: | that, coupled with the myriad config file changes almost every update – it had to go |
| [06:58:11] | justinh: | see, building minimyth on a 1Ghz CPU wasn't on my to-do list ;) |
| [06:58:26] | justinh: | not even a *real* 1GHz CPU at that |
| [06:58:31] | jstenback: | justinh: heh, it wouldn't have been on mine either :) |
| [06:58:59] | justinh: | have to say though, I'm the furthest behind mythtv releases I've ever been |
| [06:59:22] | justinh: | my backend is still on ubuntu 8.04 fgs |
| [06:59:25] | jstenback: | what are you running? |
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| [06:59:44] | justinh: | frontend is mythbuntu hacked out of all recognition |
| [06:59:46] | jstenback: | oh, heh, yeah... it's been a while then :) |
| [07:00:05] | justinh: | yeah well, I fell out of love with tinkering & it just works |
| [07:00:16] | justinh: | if it ain't broke... |
| [07:00:18] | jstenback: | fair enough |
| [07:00:27] | jstenback: | true, true |
| [07:00:36] | justinh: | the backend is overdue its replacement though |
| [07:01:46] | justinh: | the fans are whining loudly now & I've got a nice new box ready to replace it. Once I a) buy an auto fan speed controller b) finish my 'concept' theme c) transfer some cabling to the cupboard under the stairway |
| [07:02:26] | justinh: | my cctv dvr needs to move there too. I'm losing my 'computer' room. it has to be converted into a nursery by july |
| [07:02:51] | wagnerrp: | any free basement/attic space? |
| [07:02:59] | jstenback: | ah, yeah, that sounds like a good reason to move stuff around :) |
| [07:03:04] | justinh: | no basement. we have a crawl space |
| [07:03:15] | justinh: | attic.. I wouldn't put a nice new computer up there |
| [07:03:48] | justinh: | way too dusty, plus access is a pain even with the new loft ladder I put in the other weekend |
| [07:04:20] | wagnerrp: | so this was a office, not just a 'computer room' |
| [07:04:35] | justinh: | office/studio/workspace |
| [07:05:01] | justinh: | hardly used it since I got my laptop |
| [07:05:15] | justinh: | course we can't lose the guest room... ooo no ;) |
| [07:05:30] | wagnerrp: | i think of 'computer room' as somewhere to put servers/switches/network gear/other assorted hardware i dont need frequent access to |
| [07:05:32] | jstenback: | :) |
| [07:06:07] | justinh: | I'd love to convert the loft, but that seems to involve new beams.. which involves replacing the roof (might as well) |
| [07:06:08] | jstenback: | I'm building a shed with gigabit network to it, just sayin' |
| [07:06:50] | jstenback: | I plan to not hear my servers any more |
| [07:06:58] | justinh: | the current roof is 1900s slate I think. some weird plaster junk on the underside which flakes off.. that's where the dust & junk comes from |
| [07:07:16] | jstenback: | sounds like fun |
| [07:07:20] | wagnerrp: | jstenback: thats what the corner of my basement is for |
| [07:07:23] | justinh: | I *could* board it out & build a mini-room up there but... |
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| [07:07:59] | justinh: | when there's already a more accessible space downstairs, well enough away from everything.. why not just use that ;-) |
| [07:08:14] | jstenback: | wagnerrp: if I had a basement, I'd use it. Right now my servers are in a storage attic (all sheetrocked), but it's way too hot up there in the summers |
| [07:08:23] | justinh: | with the advantage that it's close enough to the livingroom the backend could become the frontend too :) |
| [07:08:23] | jstenback: | thus the shed :) |
| [07:09:08] | justinh: | though get this.. my wife is in love with the little box under the telly.. when it goes it'll leave a gap |
| [07:09:34] | justinh: | she actually *wants* a box under the TV. heh |
| [07:09:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that corner in the basement just happens to be right under the tv |
| [07:09:53] | justinh: | not so she can shove discs in it.. we hardly ever do that nowadays |
| [07:10:11] | justinh: | I could probably build a floor box & put stuff in the crawl space |
| [07:10:19] | justinh: | but it's nasty down there too |
| [07:11:11] | justinh: | there's a good 2 feet under the floor.. hey maybe if I dug we could have a basement after all :D |
| [07:11:17] | justinh: | (joking) |
| [07:11:31] | wagnerrp: | why does windows want to restart |
| [07:11:38] | wagnerrp: | i could have sworn i turned off auto-update |
| [07:11:53] | justinh: | do you want to restart now? (I'll ask again in 5 minutes) |
| [07:12:00] | justinh: | I hate those |
| [07:12:24] | jstenback: | and if you happen to not be looking then, I'll just restart for you |
| [07:12:25] | wagnerrp: | the worst part is i cant login using my usb keyboard |
| [07:12:31] | wagnerrp: | (god knows why that is screwed up) |
| [07:12:48] | justinh: | one day you might be able to just restart services instead of rebooting.. like on a real OS |
| [07:12:52] | wagnerrp: | so i wake up, sit down at my computer to find it at the login screen |
| [07:13:10] | wagnerrp: | and have to restart it again to get it to recognize my ps2 keyboard |
| [07:13:19] | justinh: | gah freenx has pooped its pants |
| [07:14:12] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i was actually surprised the first time i reinstalled the nvidia drivers and it DIDNT make me restart |
| [07:14:34] | wagnerrp: | it was magical |
| [07:15:23] | justinh: | I wouldn't be surprised if you could technically get away with not rebooting for most things in windows if only the programmers were less lazy |
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| [07:16:38] | justinh: | device drivers, sure.. but *programs* ? Bah |
| [07:17:05] | justinh: | if a program is modifying the OS behaviour like that I'm not sure I want it installed anyway thanks |
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| [07:18:15] | justinh: | bah. so I quit the last nx session last night when I left, now since stopping the service, killing the child processes & restarting the server all I get is a grey rectangle in the left corner of an otherwise black window |
| [07:20:20] | Hiisty: | 0 |
| [07:20:55] | justinh: | gotta keep an eye on stuff nxserver leaves lying around |
| [07:21:38] | justinh: | gah! same again :-( |
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| [07:22:57] | wagnerrp: | the only application i use which actually NEEDS to hook into the OS is anydvd |
| [07:23:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe i run anything else that would need to restart |
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| [07:24:18] | justinh: | I went to try out some pinnacle video editing app & it went crazy. wanted to reboot twice during the install |
| [07:24:24] | justinh: | I didn't let it complete |
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| [07:25:31] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: what do you expect from windows applications? |
| [07:26:34] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: windows applications ask for restart to modify the registry and start/stop services. |
| [07:27:12] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: even though, it can be done programatically, M$ recommend the developers use a restart in their installers... |
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| [07:34:24] | Jester05: | hey guys |
| [07:34:26] | Jester05: | anyone up? |
| [07:34:45] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [07:35:06] | Jester05: | does it make me a nerd to have 2 towers and 1 laptop in my bedroom.. all on and active right now.. note one tower has dual monitors lol |
| [07:35:11] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: why would you ever need to reboot to mod the registery? |
| [07:35:30] | clever: | its something id only think would be needed for drivers |
| [07:35:37] | justinh: | well, I guess there's no girl in your bed.. she'd never allow that |
| [07:35:45] | clever: | most of the time i can cancle that reboot request and just use the damn stuff anyways |
| [07:36:07] | clever: | Jester05: ive had 3 laptops in bed at once :P |
| [07:36:18] | Jester05: | actually my girlfriend likes that I know pc's lol .. tho she's back at school right now .. :-\ |
| [07:36:52] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch |
| [07:36:55] | Jester05: | clever, impressive.. the most I've pulled was my mythbox, main desktop, and 2 laptops going at once lol |
| [07:36:58] | justinh: | there's a difference between being allowed to be savvy & appreciated.. and allowing computers in the bedroom |
| [07:36:59] | wagnerrp: | in the middle of some video game |
| [07:37:08] | wagnerrp: | windows decides 'nows a good time to do that restart!' |
| [07:37:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yay! :-\ |
| [07:37:22] | Jester05: | haha wagnerrp |
| [07:37:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive had it do that some days, every 15 minutes it asks |
| [07:37:37] | Jester05: | and thats why I'm considering going full linux |
| [07:37:41] | clever: | and if i dont answer, it will reboot |
| [07:37:50] | justinh: | I had a right hassle yesterday trying to make my wife's vista laptop see a samba share my own laptop could access just fine |
| [07:37:51] | clever: | Jester05: wait, that was 4 |
| [07:37:59] | wagnerrp: | obviously the heavy cpu usage, and frequent mouse/keyboard activity means no one is using it |
| [07:38:00] | clever: | Jester05: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pc%27s/ . . . 0206_001.jpg |
| [07:38:07] | justinh: | my laptop doesn't want a password but vista thought it needed a login |
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| [07:38:16] | Jester05: | I dropped my partition table, created a new one but things still seem to not be functioning right so I'm wiping the hdd clean |
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| [07:38:22] | Jester05: | booted in via live cd currently |
| [07:38:34] | Jester05: | yes clever the most i've had is 4.. but 2 were desktops |
| [07:38:38] | justinh: | gah. freenx seems to be completely borked |
| [07:38:46] | clever: | desktops are harder to use in bed |
| [07:38:51] | clever: | the monitor is too heavy |
| [07:39:01] | Jester05: | haha thats pretty awesome clever |
| [07:39:09] | clever: | one monitor i tried actualy had defects in the image when i turned it sideways |
| [07:39:22] | justinh: | you should be leaping out of bed & embracing life, not spending your time on computers at your age |
| [07:39:23] | Jester05: | i didn't have the mons in w/ me.. mythbox is remote and wireless keyboard for the other |
| [07:39:34] | clever: | justinh: thats a very old image |
| [07:39:38] | justinh: | no wonder the world is going obese |
| [07:39:47] | clever: | the 2nd laptop on the left is still grey scale LCD |
| [07:39:55] | Jester05: | there is much truth to that justinh |
| [07:40:08] | wagnerrp: | seriously, why are you still running a greyscale laptop? |
| [07:40:15] | Jester05: | I honestly hate myself at times for being so computer savvy lol .. think I'd be better off as a construction worker |
| [07:40:19] | justinh: | because he can can can :) |
| [07:40:21] | clever: | wagnerrp: if you look closely, youll see that one was just running memtest |
| [07:40:40] | clever: | i was going to use that laptop as a thin client, but even the PCMCIA is isa based and refused to work for me |
| [07:40:59] | justinh: | Jester05: when I was at college all the careers advisors were saying computing & electronics were the fields to be in |
| [07:40:59] | Jester05: | you guys think I should bother installing windows 7 ultimate on my desktop again? |
| [07:41:02] | justinh: | they're not anymore |
| [07:41:13] | justinh: | that's not where most of the money is |
| [07:41:20] | Jester05: | where's the money? |
| [07:41:22] | justinh: | nor job satisfaction, to tell the truth |
| [07:41:46] | justinh: | building things, manual stuff |
| [07:41:55] | Jester05: | I've been interning at a firm that does building design which I liked well enough but now I'm graduated and trying to decide what to do w/ my life |
| [07:42:04] | justinh: | skilled manual workers seem to be minted |
| [07:42:08] | Jester05: | they company wants to hire me on but I'm not sure |
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| [07:42:20] | Jester05: | the* |
| [07:42:47] | Jester05: | I've got an interview on the 9th for a job at the base working on their super computing network but idk |
| [07:42:58] | Jester05: | dunno what the pay'd be like or anything yet |
| [07:43:21] | Jester05: | I live in Ohio and could be pulling $60k / yr at this building design firm .. including overtime of course |
| [07:43:38] | justinh: | when you have no ties or responsibilities it's not so hard to make snap decisions about jobs ;) |
| [07:43:39] | Jester05: | so $60k straight out of school is great for ohio money |
| [07:43:52] | Jester05: | exactly |
| [07:43:54] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: you don't, doesn't stop reboot being M$s prefered method for developers to use... |
| [07:43:56] | Jester05: | b/c I HATE ohio |
| [07:44:05] | Jester05: | I want out of here.. put me in the mountains somewhere lol |
| [07:44:06] | justinh: | that's what.. about £40k – straight out of shcool?! sheesh |
| [07:44:11] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: sad |
| [07:44:23] | Jester05: | I backpack, mt bike, scuba dive, etc .. I need to be somewhere more active than ohio lol |
| [07:44:31] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: you don't need to reboot to start and stop services. |
| [07:44:33] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: 99% of the updates in linux dont need a reboot, and you can even patch the running kernel with some risky methods |
| [07:44:43] | justinh: | in the UK you're lucky to make £40 if you have a degree |
| [07:44:43] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: yeah, ive manualy stoped services all the time |
| [07:44:50] | justinh: | £40k I mean |
| [07:44:57] | justinh: | that's middle-management wage |
| [07:45:04] | Jester05: | well $60k is pretty damn good for starting pay here in ohio |
| [07:45:13] | wagnerrp: | justinh: thats engineering |
| [07:45:17] | Jester05: | that'd be working ~50hrs / week |
| [07:45:19] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: the only time windows should need a reboot is for drivers loading into the kernel (because they don't have proper module loading...) |
| [07:45:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: pretty much the same in anything here |
| [07:45:40] | wagnerrp: | starting pay for an undergrad engineer will be $35-$60k, depending on the field |
| [07:45:46] | justinh: | ! |
| [07:46:03] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: They fixed that with the audio and video drivers in vista and windows 7... But it's not easy to realise... |
| [07:46:06] | Jester05: | note I also owe $90k in student loans |
| [07:46:12] | wagnerrp: | masters engineer will be +$10-$15k |
| [07:46:25] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: i think there are still ways to load kernel code at run time |
| [07:46:33] | ** wagnerrp will be off scott free ** | |
| [07:46:36] | justinh: | guy I know with a Phd is only on about £25k |
| [07:46:47] | wagnerrp: | no loan sharks coming after me! |
| [07:46:54] | wagnerrp: | justinh: as what? |
| [07:46:57] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: there must be atleast a few rootkit's that do so |
| [07:47:02] | Jester05: | justinh, thats why we make more tho.. we rack up a hell of a debt in the process |
| [07:47:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: there are, with vista and win 7 one can replace audio and video drivers on the fly no problem... |
| [07:47:07] | Jester05: | nicely done wagnerrp |
| [07:47:11] | justinh: | wagnerrp: pretty senior network admin for British Telecom IIRC |
| [07:47:30] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: i heard about them having to improve video drivers before, for the compiz like features |
| [07:47:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, hes getting screwed |
| [07:47:34] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: rootkits modify cureent in memory code... |
| [07:47:41] | justinh: | we all are here |
| [07:47:51] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: yeah, which would allow you to force code into the kernel |
| [07:47:51] | justinh: | no wonder there's still such a brain drain |
| [07:48:15] | justinh: | I get about £5k more than the going rate for my job title here |
| [07:48:44] | Jester05: | how many gigs should I give windows? .. have a 500g hdd, will be running (1) windows, (2) linux, and have (1) storage partition |
| [07:48:45] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: if the eye candy ever crashes the video drivers, it needs to be able to reboot them without restarting the whole system |
| [07:49:06] | wagnerrp: | hopefully not a shared storage partition |
| [07:49:13] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: yeah, but an official developer shouldn't resort to such methods. |
| [07:49:37] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: yeah, they probly fixed video driver loading so it can reload that on its own without a reboot |
| [07:50:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: winxp used to drop to generic VGA drivers when the video drivers crashed |
| [07:50:16] | clever: | ive never seen that happen |
| [07:50:17] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | they had both loaded... |
| [07:50:39] | clever: | on ocasion, ive seen win95 drop to a win 3.11 style error screen |
| [07:50:45] | clever: | the white box with an error msg |
| [07:51:08] | clever: | but after that its all been blue screens and hardlocks |
| [07:51:13] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: I've seen win7 drop a BSOD on driver crash too... |
| [07:51:31] | Jester05: | I think I'm going to create a small directional EMP lol |
| [07:51:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: I've also seen it restart drivers succesfully... |
| [07:51:46] | Jester05: | it'd be pretty cool to knock old pc's out w/ .. mainly just for shits and giggles lol |
| [07:52:00] | clever: | once, my 2.9ghz celeron lost its audio drivers |
| [07:52:01] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: ill take two |
| [07:52:10] | clever: | all output was gone |
| [07:52:15] | clever: | only a reboot fixed it |
| [07:52:19] | Jester05: | it shouldn't be hard to make.. now to make it user safe on the other hand.. |
| [07:52:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: on windows? |
| [07:52:24] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: yeah |
| [07:52:27] | wagnerrp: | theres some punk kid who likes driving down my street with a subwoofer worth more than the rest of this car |
| [07:52:28] | clever: | xp home |
| [07:52:53] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: I know how to manually restart the windows 7 audio drivers now, without the reboot, but it's a pain in the arse... |
| [07:52:58] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, easy fix for that.. ;) |
| [07:53:07] | clever: | Jester05: the question of 'safe' is how directional it is, and how much psysical damage it will cause to the user |
| [07:53:07] | wagnerrp: | *thump* *thump* *thump*, along with heavy rattling as crap vibrates off his car |
| [07:53:15] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: I wrote a powershell script to automate it... |
| [07:53:17] | clever: | you dont want it nuking every computer within 10 miles |
| [07:53:28] | clever: | nice |
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| [07:53:32] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, just go stick a steak knife in it |
| [07:53:42] | wagnerrp: | clever: you wont pull that off with anything shore of a literal nuke |
| [07:53:43] | Jester05: | clever, exactly.. :-\ |
| [07:53:48] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: that kind of EMP would require a small nuke... |
| [07:54:05] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: so it wont fit either clause for safety :P |
| [07:54:08] | wagnerrp: | s/small/large/ |
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| [07:54:25] | clever: | its harmfull to the user and its not directional |
| [07:55:12] | Jester05: | clever, where you from? |
| [07:55:18] | clever: | Jester05: canada |
| [07:55:24] | justinh: | bullets are quite directional :) |
| [07:55:31] | Jester05: | man I love canada |
| [07:55:40] | Jester05: | so clean up there compared to the us |
| [07:55:59] | clever: | and we dont have 11 year old kids with there own shotguns, killing there mother |
| [07:56:09] | wagnerrp: | woah... WTF |
| [07:56:17] | wagnerrp: | xkcd now has a javascript 'terminal' |
| [07:56:19] | Jester05: | its kind of crazy tho.. went up there when I was a little kid and saw tobacco fields all over, went back up a few yrs later and there was no tobacco anywhere |
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| [07:56:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | ooh, my processors are getting warm... |
| [07:57:03] | Jester05: | clever, they don't have shotguns.. they're running around w/ glocks.. its ridic. I don't know where the parenting breakdown started but its horrible |
| [07:57:15] | clever: | Jester05: it was a 50 gauge shotgun, made for kids |
| [07:57:21] | Jester05: | I would almost bet it started w/ the generation 'raised' by the hippies |
| [07:57:37] | Jester05: | clever, say what? |
| [07:57:46] | clever: | Jester05: 'He had apparently been given the “designed for children†20-gauge shotgun as a Christmas present' |
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| [07:57:57] | clever: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/art . . . -fiance.html |
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| [07:58:36] | Jester05: | WTF .. man thats messed up |
| [07:58:45] | clever: | i know |
| [07:58:47] | Jester05: | clearly that kid never got his ass beat growing up |
| [07:59:10] | Jester05: | my children will be NOTHING like that so help me god lol |
| [08:00:12] | clever: | “This offence was an execution-style killing of a defenceless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine.†|
| [08:00:33] | clever: | 'The boy is said to have hid the gun under a blanket to avoid being spotted by one of the victim’s daughters prior to the shooting, and to have later thrown the spent casing from the shot into a ditch on his way to school.' |
| [08:01:18] | Jester05: | WTF |
| [08:01:23] | Jester05: | I'm reading too |
| [08:01:50] | Jester05: | I don't get this rehabilitation bullshit |
| [08:02:15] | Jester05: | the percentage of people who come out of prison "changed" is next to non-existent |
| [08:02:37] | wagnerrp: | watch the language |
| [08:02:45] | Jester05: | we shouldn't pay to keep them alive behind bars... should just kill anyone who will be a "lifer" |
| [08:03:08] | clever: | 'He escapes the death penalty, which the state limits to those over 14' |
| [08:03:11] | Jester05: | sorry wagnerrp .. just kind of strongly opinionated about this type of subject |
| [08:03:35] | Jester05: | oh like they even use the death penalty int he US anymore |
| [08:03:57] | justinh: | clever: daily fail? oh dear. not one of the UK's more credible newspapers I'm afraid |
| [08:04:04] | Jester05: | we just put them in a 9x9 cell for several years, paying for their food, heat, water, cable tv, etc then let them back out on the streets |
| [08:04:15] | justinh: | read by the knee-jerking white middle classes here :) |
| [08:04:17] | clever: | as i saw in a comment on another article, 'It's getting to the point when they should just cull off all the mass murderers, mass rapists and serial offenders... Earth has already reached it's population cap. removing these people from society would get rid of them as a burden and it would probably scare people into doin the right thing too. |
| [08:04:47] | wagnerrp: | oh come on.... |
| [08:04:56] | wagnerrp: | weve been at our population cap for the last 200 years |
| [08:05:26] | justinh: | hey no there's plenty food to go around. just let whitey continue to waste it – he's alright Jack |
| [08:05:40] | Jester05: | no matter how you spin it, we need to start killing those who are not fit for society rather than allowing them to kill prison guards when the cable tv goes out |
| [08:05:44] | wagnerrp: | people were complaining about that in Brittan at the turn of the 19th century |
| [08:06:02] | Jester05: | how in the heck do we allow prisoners to go on strike in order to get their way.. thats just insanity to me |
| [08:06:16] | wagnerrp: | what do they strike? |
| [08:06:24] | Jester05: | when they take over a prison |
| [08:06:24] | justinh: | wagnerrp: thing is though, the rich still had plenty to eat :) |
| [08:06:35] | Jester05: | they'll get a few guards and hold them captive |
| [08:06:48] | justinh: | if you start advocating killing people you don't deem fit to live, then you lose any respect I might've had for you |
| [08:07:25] | Jester05: | justinh, if someone has proven time and time again that they are not fit to be out in society why keep them alive? |
| [08:07:31] | clever: | could just do what we have seen in a few movies and tv shows |
| [08:07:39] | Jester05: | I find it to be a more uncivil act to keep someone captive than to simply execute them |
| [08:07:43] | clever: | throw all the murderers on an island and let them have at eachother |
| [08:08:04] | justinh: | ahh the rantings of the young conservatives. meh |
| [08:08:05] | Jester05: | clever, we did.. hence Australia ;) |
| [08:08:25] | clever: | Jester05: and now we are letting aussies back out:P |
| [08:08:28] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | why does my computer prefer to do everything on core 2? |
| [08:08:44] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: as opposed to...? |
| [08:08:50] | Jester05: | justinh, so you think we should pay to keep them in prison only to be released to turn around and commit the same crime they were thrown in for before? |
| [08:08:56] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean processor affinity? |
| [08:08:57] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | cores 1, 3 and 4 |
| [08:09:10] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | core 2 is always used more... |
| [08:09:20] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | heats up first |
| [08:09:21] | wagnerrp: | youre only running single threaded tasks |
| [08:09:27] | wagnerrp: | something is already running on core 1 |
| [08:09:40] | wagnerrp: | so it gets shoveled over to core 2, and left there for cache coherency |
| [08:09:42] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm running multithreaded tasks, and lots of them/ |
| [08:09:48] | Jester05: | core 1 is typically taken up by system crap on my pc |
| [08:09:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | in fact, this second I'm maxing out all the cores... |
| [08:09:57] | Jester05: | my second core always ends up running more task related events |
| [08:10:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but even when not, I would espect processes to be going on 3 and 4 from time to time... |
| [08:10:29] | justinh: | AFAIK anyway this isn't #politics so er... |
| [08:10:37] | justinh: | I'm staying out of this one |
| [08:11:09] | Jester05: | justinh, don't try to sound like you actually had anything to come back w/ .. you just found an easy out |
| [08:11:22] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | 290+ processes, some should be on cores 3 and 4.... |
| [08:11:42] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | even with only 4–5 of them running... |
| [08:11:56] | wagnerrp: | 290??? |
| [08:12:09] | Jester05: | 290? wtf are you running lol |
| [08:12:19] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: all services, multithreaded/multiprocess and stuff... |
| [08:12:33] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | add it all up, I'm at 318 now... |
| [08:12:38] | wagnerrp: | very few things are actually multiprocess |
| [08:12:59] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: they are when you build them to be... |
| [08:13:05] | wagnerrp: | preforked servers are about the only thing that comes to mind |
| [08:13:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, but you SHOULDNT build them to be unless you have a very specific need to |
| [08:13:34] | clever: | mplayer's -cache will use a 2nd process for the caching, but thats only 2 |
| [08:13:36] | Jester05: | has k3b improved substantially or is it just me? |
| [08:13:43] | wagnerrp: | and thats to let they violently crash without taking down the rest of the process |
| [08:13:50] | wagnerrp: | s/they/them/ |
| [08:13:57] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | 2 for gdm, 3 for hald... |
| [08:14:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | it soon adds up. |
| [08:14:16] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | kde + gnome services running... |
| [08:14:40] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | rxvt terms, each with a shell spawned |
| [08:15:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and at this second I happen to have 2 5 threaded compiles running... |
| [08:15:16] | clever: | ive got 15 compiles running |
| [08:15:18] | clever: | each with a -j3 |
| [08:15:37] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I had 3 with -j5 a minute ago... |
| [08:15:47] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | oh, ccache... |
| [08:16:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | so, that's 2 processes for each make thread. |
| [08:17:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | windows strains under my usage patterns... |
| [08:17:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | at least Linux can multitask quite well... |
| [08:18:16] | clever: | aslong as i have enough ram, linux has no trouble |
| [08:18:37] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yeah, 8GB is not easy to fill here... |
| [08:18:42] | clever: | and linux makes it trivial to find out which app is using the ram, and even fix that app itself (valgrind and stuff) |
| [08:19:31] | wagnerrp: | no operating system handles 45 simultaneous loaded threads well |
| [08:19:42] | wagnerrp: | some so it better than others, but theres no way around the context switching |
| [08:20:13] | clever: | this laptop is at a load average of 11 now |
| [08:20:22] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: compared to windows, linux is elite at handling lots of threads |
| [08:20:23] | clever: | only noticing a minor lag in xterm/ssh |
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| [08:22:02] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm not getting any lag yet... |
| [08:22:04] | clever: | firefox is taking the bigest impact |
| [08:22:13] | clever: | and the scarry thing, is that i have zero swap |
| [08:22:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and I'm looking at 11 load average this moment... |
| [08:22:19] | clever: | if i run out of ram, i'm toast |
| [08:22:31] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I have 20KiB of swap use, lols... |
| [08:22:50] | clever: | my entire OS (root and /usr and all) is stored on a tmpfs |
| [08:23:10] | clever: | so i'm already missing a gig of ram (out of 3) to start with |
| [08:24:30] | clever: | because of dependencys, i'm not actualy running that many compiles at once, just 2 seperate packages |
| [08:25:12] | clever: | just ncurses now |
| [08:25:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: gentoo? |
| [08:26:25] | clever: | yep |
| [08:26:33] | clever: | emerge -ave -j xterm |
| [08:26:33] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | portage? |
| [08:26:52] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | bah, lots of python overhead there... |
| [08:27:11] | clever: | my xterm's have been disapearing on there own lately, http://privatepaste.com/530f309252 |
| [08:27:25] | Dassu: | I go crazy when you kiss me show me how you miss me :) |
| [08:27:57] | clever: | i think its done a batch of 20 packages, mass-installing now |
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| [08:31:59] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: http://privatepaste.com/bf545c371c here is a list of files that dont seem to be vital to keeping the system running |
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| [08:32:31] | clever: | removing some of them seem to horibly screw up portage, but everything else still runs |
| [08:32:49] | sphery: | heh, Google pulled a Topeka |
| [08:33:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: that's because they are all about building applications or portage's package management. |
| [08:33:51] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: yep, both of which i dont need anymore if its a copy meant for actual use and not updating |
| [08:34:05] | ivor: | aarrrgh bastard capture card. why have you stopped working. why..... |
| [08:34:25] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: i'm taring up everything of actual use, and then my initrd unpacks that to a tmpfs at bootup |
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| [08:41:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: I guess you've already removed the mirror of the ebuilds then? |
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| [08:51:48] | Jester05: | anyone here ever make a cluster? |
| [08:52:58] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: that isnt even on the root disk, its always nfs mounted |
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| [08:55:44] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: i usualy dont have room for it on the root anyways |
| [08:56:02] | justinh: | well, found out why the intel driver doesn't support a widescreen mode with tvout. tv encoder doesn't support it either |
| [08:56:12] | justinh: | stupid lame junk |
| [08:56:34] | clever: | justinh: ive found i can just force mplayer to think the monitor is 16:9 and then just tell the tv to stretch it |
| [08:56:39] | Jester05: | man I'm repartitioning my main hdd and its taking FOREVER.. I wonder if my hdd isn't failing on me |
| [08:56:44] | clever: | not sure how to set it 'properly' in X itself, to effect all apps |
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| [08:56:57] | Jester05: | any good tools to analyze your hdd w/ ? |
| [08:57:07] | justinh: | clever: this I already know. mythtv still doesn't quite scale 16:9 themes to 4:3 resolutions as you'd expect though |
| [08:57:07] | clever: | Jester05: smartctl, fsck |
| [08:57:22] | justinh: | and no, I ain't using no lame 4:3 theme |
| [08:57:39] | Jester05: | I already wiped out the former partitions .. will that effect my ability to test it? |
| [08:57:40] | clever: | the tv itself would stretch the 4:3 signal back to 16:9 display |
| [08:57:46] | justinh: | well DUH |
| [08:57:54] | clever: | so its just loosing some resolution on the wire |
| [08:58:15] | clever: | Jester05: smartctl doesnt care whats on the drive, it will ask the firmware in the drive itself if anything is wrong |
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| [08:58:45] | clever: | bonnie++ is another tool to test the performance of the drive and filesystem, and it works best if you have plenty of disk space |
| [08:58:52] | justinh: | problem is the UI engine screwing up the scaling somehow, still. got to make a 16:9 theme work at a 4:3 resolution |
| [08:59:04] | justinh: | it's not ideal |
| [08:59:31] | clever: | ah |
| [08:59:47] | justinh: | things get clipped, disappear etc |
| [09:01:05] | justinh: | better now than it used to be but still somewhat unpredictable |
| [09:02:58] | Jester05: | clever, how long should it take to run smartctrl on a 500g hdd |
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| [09:03:37] | justinh: | 500 gram HDD. mmmm |
| [09:03:44] | clever: | Jester05: miliseconds |
| [09:04:02] | Jester05: | its just sitting here not doing anything |
| [09:04:04] | clever: | the firmware in the drive itself is constantly monitoring things, smartctl just asks it how well everything is |
| [09:04:07] | Jester05: | hdd light is flashing tho |
| [09:04:20] | clever: | and optionaly, orders it to do some tests |
| [09:04:26] | Kunalagon: | hello, is there anyway to change recording parameters ? Like codec used, bitrate used...etc. ? |
| [09:04:40] | clever: | Kunalagon: yeah, its under tv setup and recording profiles i think |
| [09:04:53] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [09:04:53] | clever: | the options you get depend on what capture card your using |
| [09:04:53] | justinh: | Kunalagon: depends. if you have a digital tuner, NO |
| [09:05:01] | Jester05: | wonder if I'm facing a dead/dying drive then |
| [09:05:06] | Kunalagon: | justinh: I hava analog |
| [09:05:10] | Jester05: | its only 15 months old |
| [09:05:10] | clever: | Jester05: what options did you give smartctl? |
| [09:05:24] | Jester05: | i executed it running gsmartcontrol |
| [09:05:29] | justinh: | Kunalagon: and if you have a pvr tuner card, you get to choose mpeg2 or mpeg2 as the codec. Or maybe mpeg2 |
| [09:05:32] | clever: | never used that one before |
| [09:05:34] | Jester05: | so w/e it uses by default |
| [09:05:50] | clever: | let me login to the laptop with a failing drive |
| [09:05:55] | justinh: | and even if it's not a pvr card, you get to choose between mpeg4 & RTJPEG. woooyeah |
| [09:06:06] | justinh: | all this choice! |
| [09:06:22] | Jester05: | i just tried to run it generic in command line and i can't ctrl+c my way out of the command |
| [09:06:24] | Jester05: | its just hanging |
| [09:06:50] | clever: | Jester05: http://ext.earthtools.ca/paste/Jester05.txt |
| [09:07:16] | clever: | output from a simple 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' |
| [09:07:18] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [09:07:26] | Jester05: | it seems like my hardware is unresponsive or something |
| [09:07:38] | clever: | the key part for my report is 'Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.' |
| [09:08:12] | clever: | every attempt to install linux to that drive has since failed, bad sectors turn up where they wherent before |
| [09:08:25] | clever: | theyve learned to reproduce |
| [09:08:46] | clever: | i'm using it purely as swap, and even that has its risks |
| [09:09:01] | clever: | one day, i heard the click of death, and then something segfaulted |
| [09:09:19] | clever: | i moved the swap elsewhere on the disk and its been ok since, but its not to be trusted |
| [09:10:14] | Jester05: | clever have a look |
| [09:10:15] | Jester05: | http://pastebin.com/sSp93xqD |
| [09:10:35] | Jester05: | thats all she's giving me.. and hangs at the end of that |
| [09:10:39] | clever: | weird |
| [09:10:42] | Jester05: | never returning back to prompt |
| [09:10:51] | clever: | try throwing strace at it, 'strace smartctl -a /dev/sda' |
| [09:12:02] | Jester05: | clever, http://pastebin.com/1z0YkLQ2 |
| [09:12:07] | Jester05: | i'm at a loss |
| [09:12:37] | Jester05: | i did cancel gpart while it was "trying" to repartion the drive.. |
| [09:13:02] | clever: | it seems to be hanging on the very first command to the drive |
| [09:13:08] | Jester05: | it sat at the first partiton which was only an 80 gig partition for quite a while so threw in the towel |
| [09:13:10] | clever: | but ive never seen the command itself before |
| [09:13:26] | clever: | the drive itself may have locked up, check dmesg |
| [09:14:49] | Jester05: | clever, http://pastebin.com/39T2L7V7 |
| [09:15:04] | Jester05: | seems to be having quite a bit of issues |
| [09:15:16] | clever: | yeah, harddrive needs a reboot |
| [09:15:46] | Jester05: | just reboot the machine? |
| [09:15:47] | clever: | rebooting might clear it up enough to let smartctl do its thing |
| [09:15:50] | clever: | yeah |
| [09:15:54] | clever: | maybe leave it off for a minute |
| [09:16:11] | Jester05: | alright.. I'll go ahead and log back in on here via laptop then |
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| [09:16:41] | Jester05: | i'll nerd it out .. be logged in on irc from 2 machines.. again ;) |
| [09:16:56] | Jester05: | pretty sure I've done 4 machines b4 tho :( .. its a sad world I live in lol |
| [09:16:57] | clever: | ive been in an irc room 3 or 4 times at once before :P |
| [09:17:13] | Jester05: | lol hey we're both linux dweebs lol |
| [09:17:18] | mzb_: | Jester05: get znc ;) |
| [09:17:34] | Jester05: | hmm I'll have to look into this |
| [09:18:13] | mzb_: | I have _one_ connection, but multiple clients connected to that |
| [09:18:19] | clever: | i'm using ctrlproxy to keep it under control here |
| [09:18:38] | clever: | the main network i idle on will gline if i get more then 4 |
| [09:18:40] | mzb_: | combine it with bitlbee and you've got a solution that covers all comms |
| [09:18:48] | clever: | and if i idle with 4 and get a netsplit ghost, i get falsely banned |
| [09:18:56] | Jester05: | well gents, I'm downing this box.. be back online as soon as the laptop boots |
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| [09:20:57] | Jester05: | hey guys |
| [09:21:06] | clever: | wb |
| [09:21:10] | Jester05: | clever, I'm getting some weird stuff lol |
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| [09:21:33] | Jester05: | ata3.00: status: {DRDY ERR} |
| [09:21:51] | Jester05: | ata3.00: error: {ICRC ABRT} |
| [09:22:11] | clever: | ive only had errors like that once with a good drive |
| [09:22:29] | clever: | the sata controler was sharing IRQ with the network (and it was network booted) |
| [09:22:36] | clever: | that seemed to royaly screw up everything |
| [09:22:37] | Jester05: | ata3.00: SError: { UnrecovData Handshk } |
| [09:22:50] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [09:22:54] | Jester05: | so prob facing a bad drive? |
| [09:23:13] | Jester05: | drive is 15 months old.. pretty sure she's got a 3 year warranty |
| [09:23:14] | clever: | either the drive is bad or the controler is |
| [09:23:51] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [09:24:03] | Jester05: | well the mobo was open box so lets hope not ;) |
| [09:24:07] | clever: | test it in another pc first |
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| [09:24:23] | Jester05: | damn this means I have to take this bitch apart... grr |
| [09:24:45] | Jester05: | I'll put that hdd in an external case and give it a spin on my laptop |
| [09:25:10] | Jester05: | or should I just give it a bit and try to reboot my pc first> |
| [09:25:23] | clever: | thats easyer to test |
| [09:25:31] | clever: | could let it rest while you find the external case |
| [09:25:42] | Jester05: | its on my desk lol |
| [09:25:54] | Jester05: | used it to copy all of my data from my internal hdd prior to wiping it out |
| [09:26:00] | clever: | ah |
| [09:27:12] | Jester05: | man fuck my life right now.. my last day of college my grandpa died, rained about the entire time I was on vacation following that.. , had to replace the brakes/rotor/capiler on my jeep, |
| [09:27:18] | Jester05: | and now my hdd seems to be failing |
| [09:27:19] | Jester05: | lol |
| [09:27:25] | Jester05: | talk about shit storms |
| [09:27:27] | justinh: | oi language |
| [09:27:31] | clever: | both of our jeep's are working well here |
| [09:27:38] | zzpat: | if that's as bad as your life gets, you'd better start smiling |
| [09:27:44] | zzpat: | go by a lotto ticket or something |
| [09:27:46] | clever: | though the floor is slowly rusting out of the YJ |
| [09:27:57] | Jester05: | I have a WJ |
| [09:28:00] | Jester05: | she's running great now |
| [09:28:04] | clever: | YJ and liberty here |
| [09:28:16] | Jester05: | had to replace the TPS just b4 vacation too |
| [09:28:24] | Jester05: | thing seems to be becoming a money pit :( |
| [09:28:34] | Jester05: | need to start working again.. draining the bank |
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| [09:29:56] | Jester05: | I need to find a job.. I can't decide if I want to go back to the firm that does building design or try to get a more tech related job |
| [09:30:26] | Jester05: | like if I got the job working on the super computing network it'd be pretty awesome and interesting but I'm not sure if I'd get tired of that job too :-\ |
| [09:30:37] | justinh: | wait til you get older & have little choice |
| [09:30:41] | Jester05: | and I'd prob make more money in building design at least at the beginning |
| [09:31:08] | clever: | Jester05: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/jeep/2008-04-13%2001.49.11 |
| [09:31:17] | Jester05: | yeah I know.. thats kind of my problem.. i tried as had as possible to give myself an unlimited number of options now I can't decide what to do |
| [09:31:42] | Jester05: | nice clever |
| [09:31:52] | Jester05: | I've been considering getting a JK here once I start working |
| [09:31:55] | clever: | Jester05: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/jeep/sep_14_2008 |
| [09:32:07] | Jester05: | not sure if I want to trade in my 04 grand cherokee |
| [09:32:11] | clever: | took ALOT more pictures in this set |
| [09:32:13] | justinh: | gah. stupid tweetdeck. only supports gnome or kde |
| [09:32:14] | Jester05: | or keep it and get a wrangler |
| [09:32:34] | clever: | ah yes, the twisted axel shaft, http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/jeep/se . . . un%20186.jpg |
| [09:32:44] | clever: | that shouldnt be a spiral |
| [09:32:45] | Jester05: | lol |
| [09:32:55] | Jester05: | haha |
| [09:32:58] | Jester05: | thats pretty good.. |
| [09:33:10] | Jester05: | how'd u pull that one off? |
| [09:33:26] | clever: | wasnt on our jeep, was somebody else on the trail |
| [09:33:36] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [09:33:46] | clever: | http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/jeep_ru . . . 129_2952.JPG |
| [09:33:53] | Jester05: | just out of curiosity... why do you trailer your jeep to the destination? |
| [09:34:18] | Jester05: | hey, chocolate milk... |
| [09:34:32] | clever: | the 4cyl engine has trouble getting to 100km/h, its loud, its cold, its a bumpy ride |
| [09:34:43] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [09:34:53] | Jester05: | I've always had the i6 in my jeeps |
| [09:35:00] | Jester05: | gotta admit.. i love that engine |
| [09:35:20] | Jester05: | kind of upset that Jeep quit using it in 04 |
| [09:35:32] | Jester05: | maybe I need to get an 04 TJ |
| [09:36:00] | Jester05: | http://www.jeep4ever.ca/pics/guest_jps/jesse.jpg |
| [09:36:04] | Jester05: | something like that maybe |
| [09:36:12] | AndyCap: | clever: why on earth do you use a jeep if you need to go 100 km/h? |
| [09:36:31] | clever: | AndyCap: on the highway to get to the trail |
| [09:36:46] | clever: | Jester05: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/jeep_ru . . . 129_2953.JPG the winch to get it unstuck, is under the ice:P |
| [09:36:53] | Jester05: | hey my grand cherokee will hit 120mph lol |
| [09:37:01] | justinh: | ooo me like xfce |
| [09:37:06] | clever: | the trailer also helps when you start breaking drive shafts |
| [09:37:10] | clever: | easyer to get it home |
| [09:37:27] | Jester05: | haha true |
| [09:37:38] | Jester05: | guess I should invest n a trailer ;) |
| [09:38:20] | Jester05: | what do you think of those 4 door JKs |
| [09:38:22] | clever: | http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/jeep/se . . . un%20016.jpg and if your lawn is right, you dont need ramps to get it on |
| [09:38:31] | Jester05: | I'm beside myself about a 4 door wrangler.. |
| [09:38:57] | Jester05: | clever, w/ those tires you could just crawl up on it |
| [09:39:10] | clever: | yeah, almost |
| [09:39:17] | clever: | we have driven off before without ramps |
| [09:39:24] | clever: | but getting back up isnt easy:P |
| [09:39:28] | Jester05: | lol |
| [09:39:32] | AndyCap: | clever: I suspect convoy speeds have increased since the jeep was concieved, but I dunno. :) |
| [09:40:02] | clever: | AndyCap: a friend nearby has recently purchased 3 old military jeeps |
| [09:40:11] | clever: | one of them is still wired as a 24volt system |
| [09:40:17] | Jester05: | nice.. |
| [09:40:19] | clever: | i think only one has motorized wipers |
| [09:40:42] | Jester05: | I think I'd rather get an old military for off roading |
| [09:40:52] | Jester05: | and def set that up w/ a linux run GPS system lol |
| [09:40:59] | Jester05: | perfect use for that old laptop ;) |
| [09:41:24] | clever: | i should give that a try on my grey scale laptop |
| [09:42:02] | Jester05: | no way |
| [09:42:06] | Jester05: | you need color |
| [09:42:16] | clever: | the gateway might work better then |
| [09:42:22] | clever: | its got more ram too |
| [09:42:32] | Jester05: | it'd be really interesting to do if you have a phone w/ broadband internet.. could tie google earth in w/ it |
| [09:42:50] | clever: | ive got a proper 3g cell modem (USB) |
| [09:43:00] | Jester05: | nice |
| [09:43:21] | clever: | the fun part, would be extending the LCD panel wiring |
| [09:43:23] | Jester05: | man i'm so tired of ubuntu.. |
| [09:43:36] | clever: | i'm using gentoo here for 2 of my systems |
| [09:43:41] | clever: | ubuntu on 3 |
| [09:43:48] | clever: | xp on 1, and LFS on 1 |
| [09:44:06] | Jester05: | i use ubuntu on my laptop but usually arch on the desktop |
| [09:44:12] | AndyCap: | clever: I've got a soft spot for the L3314N http://feltvogn.no/Volvo%20feltvogn.htm :) |
| [09:44:18] | Jester05: | but currently running an ubuntu live on the desktop.. :( |
| [09:44:47] | clever: | AndyCap: nice |
| [09:45:08] | clever: | Jester05: this gentoo usb stick is similar to a livecd in the way it works |
| [09:45:19] | Jester05: | I've been a jeep man since the age of 16.. prob always will be |
| [09:45:30] | clever: | i pop the stick in and boot a copy of gentoo from ram, then i can remove the stick and keep using it |
| [09:45:37] | Jester05: | clever, I've got a 1gig usb doing nothing.. maybe I should give gentoo a kick on tat |
| [09:45:48] | clever: | 2gig is bearly enough room |
| [09:45:49] | Jester05: | I like the sounds of that... |
| [09:45:52] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [09:45:54] | Jester05: | bbahh |
| [09:45:55] | Jester05: | jlol |
| [09:46:14] | Jester05: | you guys know any good cure for an earache? |
| [09:46:16] | clever: | but it helps alot if you just use a hdd for the prep disk |
| [09:46:17] | clever: | if you only have the .tar's on the usb, its alot smaller |
| [09:46:31] | Jester05: | my ear has been killing me ever since I was in the hot tub at the cabin last week |
| [09:46:32] | AndyCap: | Jester05: don't poke at it. :p |
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| [09:46:46] | Jester05: | I've been trying to peroxide it once in a while |
| [09:46:49] | clever: | Jester05: its about 277mb for the root, usr, and boot stuff |
| [09:47:13] | Jester05: | been taking some antibiotics for incase its infected (had left over from last ear infection from scuba diving) |
| [09:47:51] | Jester05: | and currently i dont have health insurance since I just graduated so i don't want to go to the doctor lol |
| [09:48:07] | clever: | the last ear infection i got, was fixed with special ear drops |
| [09:48:11] | clever: | dont remember what was in them |
| [09:48:43] | Jester05: | yeah I have some ear drops for swimmers ear.. dont seem to be doing anything for this :-\ |
| [09:49:07] | Jester05: | I just finished off my antibiotic too .. amoxicilin |
| [09:49:25] | Jester05: | may have to buy health insurance.. or start working :-\ lol |
| [09:50:21] | Jester05: | i'm executing a "short self-test" on that hdd via GSmartControl |
| [09:50:24] | AndyCap: | Jester05: hmm, half an antibiotic cure isn't any good. :) |
| [09:51:21] | Jester05: | yeah I know.. my moms a nurse so I'll see if they have any samples at the office she can get me |
| [09:51:35] | Jester05: | could prob get her boss to write me another Rx even.. |
| [09:51:38] | AndyCap: | geez, no april fools in the online papers. :( |
| [09:51:50] | Jester05: | lol |
| [09:52:28] | Jester05: | well hdd passed the short test.. now trying the Conveyance |
| [09:52:40] | Jester05: | don't want to do the long test.. takes over 2 hours ... |
| [09:53:15] | clever: | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 001 001 010 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 1542 |
| [09:53:22] | clever: | this is something else to check |
| [09:53:41] | clever: | the firmware will re-allocate sectors to some spare space, as they fail |
| [09:53:49] | clever: | so the failure will be invisible normaly |
| [09:54:02] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [09:54:15] | Jester05: | I'll send you the output i get when this test is complete |
| [09:54:24] | clever: | but once it runs out of spare's, the problem will start showing |
| [09:54:24] | Jester05: | lemme get back on xchat on that machine |
| [09:54:49] | clever: | the part thats hard to figure out, is which direction is good |
| [09:55:12] | clever: | it says the threshold is 10, but is it <10 or >10 thats bad |
| [09:55:43] | Jester05: | good pnt |
| [09:56:02] | clever: | the best i can think of, is to check it monthly and see what direction its going in |
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| [09:56:17] | clever: | though smartctl itself seems to know when its terminal |
| [09:56:26] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [09:56:59] | clever: | 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 063 055 045 Old_age Always – 37 (Lifetime Min/Max 28/41) |
| [09:57:00] | Jester05: | give gsmartcontrol a try maybe? |
| [09:57:08] | Jester05: | seems to do well w/ managing the output |
| [09:57:12] | clever: | one of my drives also reports the min/max temp over its life |
| [09:57:36] | AndyCap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#ATA_S . . . ._attributes |
| [09:58:22] | clever: | ah, so you want everything near 253 |
| [09:58:23] | Jester86: | clever, http://pastebin.com/LRwCRXVe |
| [09:58:40] | AndyCap: | clever: uh. no |
| [09:58:55] | clever: | 'with 1 representing the worst case and 253 representing the best' |
| [09:59:34] | AndyCap: | clever: scroll down. |
| [09:59:56] | clever: | ah, its got arrows for each one |
| [10:00:41] | AndyCap: | but yeah, the "Normalized values are always mapped so that higher values are better" doesn't make sense to me. :) |
| [10:01:06] | clever: | let me get the save from a brand new drive |
| [10:02:17] | Jester05: | clever.. u see the output i got> |
| [10:02:20] | clever: | AndyCap: http://ext.earthtools.ca/paste/sweet! http://ext.earthtools.ca/paste/1tb_later.txt |
| [10:02:26] | clever: | Jester05: yeah, was reading over it a bit |
| [10:02:34] | Jester05: | seems fine? |
| [10:02:37] | AndyCap: | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always – 0 |
| [10:02:53] | clever: | Jester05: yeah, it looks ok at a glance |
| [10:03:08] | AndyCap: | clever: yeah, looks like your drive with 01 in reallocated sector count isn't doing too well. :P |
| [10:03:43] | clever: | AndyCap: yeah, that drive is terminal |
| [10:04:17] | clever: | it might have been caused by psysical shock |
| [10:04:18] | clever: | i was swapping it between laptops alot that weekend |
| [10:05:09] | AndyCap: | grab what you can off it. :) |
| [10:05:26] | clever: | AndyCap: i did as soon as i got home, netbooted it and did a full backup |
| [10:05:33] | clever: | since then, its been nothing but swap |
| [10:05:41] | Jester05: | man gparted keeps hanging up every time it tries to create the new partition |
| [10:05:56] | Jester05: | maybe the issue is related to the controller? |
| [10:06:06] | clever: | the 1tb drive has been running 10k hours now it seems |
| [10:06:10] | clever: | with a total of 26 startups |
| [10:06:18] | Jester05: | NICE |
| [10:06:19] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:06:27] | clever: | 24 power ons |
| [10:06:30] | AndyCap: | clever: uhh, swap? that's just stupid. if you corrupt your memory you could kill the rest of your filesystems too |
| [10:06:33] | clever: | seems like it went to sleep twice |
| [10:06:47] | clever: | AndyCap: it has no file system at all, everything is NFS now |
| [10:07:14] | AndyCap: | clever: still, you don't want a shady disk for swap |
| [10:07:32] | Jester05: | so gparted keeps fialing while creating new ntfs file system |
| [10:07:38] | clever: | AndyCap: it did swap into a bad sector one day and it led to a segfault |
| [10:07:45] | Jester05: | perhaps i shouldn't try to format it and just simply partition it? |
| [10:07:53] | clever: | but that laptop is extremely low on ram |
| [10:07:54] | Jester05: | let windows format it? |
| [10:08:06] | clever: | Jester05: could try that |
| [10:08:21] | Jester05: | I just don't understand why its failing to create the NTFS file system |
| [10:08:37] | clever: | AndyCap: odd, some of the values have gone up from 100 to 200 |
| [10:08:40] | Jester05: | if its unsupported by the live cd it shouldn't be on the list of possible formats so I assume thats not the case |
| [10:08:47] | Jester05: | which points to either the drive or the controller |
| [10:09:19] | Jester05: | maybe just let this thing run for a while and see what happens? |
| [10:09:26] | AndyCap: | clever: some are from last power on? |
| [10:09:41] | clever: | things like multi_zone_error_rate |
| [10:09:49] | clever: | the raw value is 0 in both cases |
| [10:09:51] | Jester05: | its only an 80 gig partition.. shouldn't be taking a long time to format right? |
| [10:09:55] | AndyCap: | clever: heh, kinky |
| [10:10:03] | clever: | 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline – 0 |
| [10:10:06] | clever: | 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 200 200 000 Old_age Offline – 0 |
| [10:10:24] | clever: | the 'worst' its ever been is 200, which is double what ive recorded it as being before |
| [10:10:26] | AndyCap: | it is the same disk right? :P |
| [10:10:42] | clever: | the serial# at the top matches perfectly |
| [10:12:51] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [10:13:01] | Jester05: | i hate technology.. I'm going backpacking lol |
| [10:13:13] | clever: | dont forget your gps and cell :P |
| [10:13:18] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:13:28] | Jester05: | aint that a kicker lol |
| [10:13:54] | Jester05: | so the hdd seems to have done it again |
| [10:13:58] | Jester05: | GRRRRR |
| [10:14:22] | Jester05: | perhaps a bad block within that first partitions space? |
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| [10:14:49] | clever: | Jester05: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Known . . . ._attributes read the bit on 'Reallocated Sectors Count' |
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| [10:16:39] | Jester05: | do you recall what my number was? lol |
| [10:16:48] | Jester05: | I guess i could find that link again |
| [10:16:51] | clever: | 0 |
| [10:17:02] | Jester05: | so I'm not having that issue? |
| [10:17:06] | clever: | nope |
| [10:17:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | why aren't I getting EIT data... |
| [10:17:26] | Jester05: | Cap_J_L_Picard, whats your feed? |
| [10:17:32] | Jester05: | OTA, cable? |
| [10:17:40] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | DVB-T |
| [10:17:57] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Crystal Palace Transmitter, UK. |
| [10:17:57] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [10:18:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I can watch live TV, and finally got the channels to tune... |
| [10:18:27] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but it won't download EIT... |
| [10:18:27] | Jester05: | how long as it been running? |
| [10:18:45] | Jester05: | it takes mine a couple days to start pulling EIT data w/ OTA |
| [10:18:51] | Jester05: | from when I configure it.. |
| [10:18:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | 4.5 hours |
| [10:19:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I should have some data |
| [10:19:08] | Jester05: | a recent new/re-configure? |
| [10:19:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'f got none. |
| [10:19:29] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yes, that's how I picked up the date... |
| [10:19:43] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [10:19:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | It should manage EIT in a few minutes... |
| [10:20:10] | Jester05: | card working properly? |
| [10:20:12] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the set top boxes don't take that long to get it in this country... |
| [10:20:48] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Well, I had to increase the timeout for the channel lock to 8 seconds for the scan... |
| [10:20:49] | AndyCap: | it's configurable, but it starts if there's an idle tuner for 5 minutes iirc |
| [10:20:55] | clever: | Jester05: 'Current Pending Sector Count' |
| [10:21:00] | clever: | Jester05: that one is also interesting |
| [10:21:02] | AndyCap: | and works it way through the channels. |
| [10:21:09] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: it's been idle for 4 hours... |
| [10:21:17] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and it's 60 seconds default... |
| [10:21:47] | clever: | AndyCap: it looks like my 'toast' drive has 8 'unstable' sectors that are waiting for a write before they remap |
| [10:22:15] | clever: | but considering how the rellocated sector count is, it may not have any room to remap them |
| [10:23:01] | AndyCap: | clever: well it won't remap them until you write to that sector again iirc. |
| [10:23:10] | clever: | yeah thats what it was saying |
| [10:23:23] | clever: | its assuming the read will work later, like its a temp problem |
| [10:23:30] | clever: | but has marked it as unstable, for posible remaping |
| [10:26:48] | clever: | my main server seems to be running a bit hot, 42c for its drives |
| [10:27:17] | clever: | 3rd drive is a great deal older, 19k hours vs 29k hours |
| [10:27:46] | clever: | and just over 1k spinups |
| [10:28:40] | clever: | 4th has alot of seek errors:S |
| [10:29:13] | clever: | and 18 uncorrectable errors it had to report to the OS |
| [10:30:29] | clever: | i should look into replacing the 4th one |
| [10:31:12] | clever: | ah, its the root drive |
| [10:31:16] | clever: | that will be a pain |
| [10:33:09] | clever: | damn, i still have an NTFS partition in that box... |
| [10:37:06] | Jester05: | back |
| [10:37:13] | Jester05: | sorry had to fix myself a bowl of cereal lol |
| [10:37:34] | Jester05: | I just realized I'm prob close to 10k hrs on this box.... |
| [10:37:49] | clever: | 29k is the highest ive found so far |
| [10:37:51] | Jester05: | its been on pretty much 24/7 since i built it |
| [10:38:21] | Jester05: | maybe I shouldn't just leave my pc on all the time.. :-\ |
| [10:38:24] | clever: | same for that 29k hour box |
| [10:38:51] | Jester05: | u leave your computers on 24/7? |
| [10:39:03] | clever: | i leave 5 of them on 24/7 |
| [10:39:26] | Jester05: | my master backend has been on pretty much 24/7 since I built it back in 2004 |
| [10:39:26] | clever: | Jester05: http://ext.earthtools.ca/paste/thep4.sdc.2010.04.txt |
| [10:39:40] | Jester05: | it used to be my main pc then retired to masterbackend lol |
| [10:39:49] | Jester05: | been thru 2 hdds and 1 power supply |
| [10:39:54] | Jester05: | and 1 dvd rom lol |
| [10:39:55] | clever: | i started with a redhat9 server in 2004 |
| [10:40:14] | clever: | it was on pretty much 24/7 until ~190 days ago |
| [10:40:31] | clever: | the cpu fan gave out again and i had finished migrating it to another system, so i just turned it off |
| [10:40:46] | clever: | i had turned it on again lately to get my myth recordings out |
| [10:40:55] | clever: | and fsck complained it had been 180 days without a check:P |
| [10:40:58] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [10:41:16] | clever: | not sure if it has smartctl on it at all |
| [10:41:20] | Jester05: | I ran mine knowing i'd lost a power supply fan lol |
| [10:41:26] | clever: | lol |
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| [10:41:32] | Jester05: | guess the second fan died on me while gaming haha |
| [10:42:01] | Jester05: | i was in the middle of a flight sim and smelled something hot.. touched the top of my case, burnt my hand, and then everything went black lol |
| [10:42:11] | clever: | lol, damn |
| [10:42:21] | Jester05: | luckily the mobo/cpu fired right back up w/ a new power supply lol |
| [10:42:36] | Jester05: | gotta love those old P4 prescotts ;) |
| [10:42:38] | clever: | the only time i got a smell out of my pc, was when the loose wire for the mobo speaker touched the floppy drive in a bad place |
| [10:42:42] | Jester05: | tanks i tell you, tanks! |
| [10:42:49] | clever: | it melted the insulation off the fire :P |
| [10:42:54] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:43:02] | Jester05: | well there was nothing left of my power supply |
| [10:43:16] | Jester05: | it melted a good portion of the heat sink inside the power supply even lol |
| [10:43:17] | clever: | i just unplugged the floppy drive and put it back to work |
| [10:43:22] | clever: | ouch |
| [10:43:25] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz |
| [10:43:31] | clever: | this is my crappy P4 system |
| [10:43:35] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:43:51] | Jester05: | I have a P4 2.8ghz running my main FE/MBE |
| [10:44:08] | Jester05: | and a P4 2.4 running my FE in my bedroom |
| [10:44:10] | clever: | it claims 1.6ghz, but the 1.6ghz laptop (Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz) is a great deal faster |
| [10:44:33] | Jester05: | lol yeah.. its commercial 1.6ghz ;) |
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| [10:44:43] | Jester05: | just like my commercial 500g hdd |
| [10:44:44] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:44:44] | clever: | and then you have the 2.9ghz celeron |
| [10:44:48] | clever: | which is even worse :P |
| [10:44:59] | Jester05: | thats celeron for you.. |
| [10:45:05] | clever: | my dads gaming machine is a 1.6ghz celeron |
| [10:45:15] | Jester05: | haha |
| [10:45:16] | Jester05: | gaming? |
| [10:45:17] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:45:31] | clever: | he doesnt know how bad celerons are :P |
| [10:45:36] | Jester05: | my gaming machine is a quad core 2.66ghz (Q9400) |
| [10:45:41] | clever: | his work laptop beats the crap out of every system we own |
| [10:45:49] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz |
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| [10:46:05] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| [10:46:08] | Jester05: | nice I'm sporting a Core2Duo 2.0ghz in my laptop |
| [10:46:16] | Jester05: | T6400 |
| [10:46:22] | clever: | just those 2 peices of the laptop are enough to out-perform eveyrthing else |
| [10:46:30] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [10:46:39] | clever: | vdpau kicks ass! |
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| [10:46:43] | Jester05: | I like my desktop quite a bit.. |
| [10:47:03] | Jester05: | quad core 2.66ghz sporting a 9800gtx+ black edition |
| [10:47:27] | Jester05: | but.. doesnt handle vdpau :-\ |
| [10:48:37] | clever: | rebuilding EVERYTHING that xterm depends on was a bad idea.... |
| [10:48:42] | clever: | its now rebuilding gcc itself |
| [10:48:57] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:49:25] | Jester05: | lessons learned, lessons learned |
| [10:49:26] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:49:43] | clever: | its using both cores, so it shouldnt be too slow |
| [10:49:53] | Jester05: | still tho |
| [10:49:59] | Jester05: | time sucker for sure |
| [10:50:08] | clever: | >>> Emerging (77 of 102) sys-devel/gcc-4.3.4 |
| [10:50:26] | sid3windr: | lol@ fast 1.8GHz c2d |
| [10:51:05] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [10:51:22] | Jester05: | every time I try to create a file system no matter the format this drive seems to be stalling |
| [10:51:27] | clever: | sid3windr: relative to everything else i have, its fast |
| [10:51:36] | Jester05: | well i'm not sure if its the controller or the hdd but something seems to be failing |
| [10:51:47] | Jester05: | created the swap fine |
| [10:51:53] | Jester05: | but now its hanging on ext4 |
| [10:51:58] | Jester05: | hung on ntfs also |
| [10:52:31] | Jester05: | maybe just let this thing bake for a while? |
| [10:53:22] | sid3windr: | clever: yeah, maybe, but my newest pc is 2 years old, it's a c2d 3GHz ... |
| [10:53:58] | clever: | just the c2d cpu design is so much faster |
| [10:54:10] | clever: | even single threaded app's running at half the freq outdo other cores |
| [10:54:20] | Jester05: | qc is better ;) |
| [10:54:53] | Jester05: | i'm quite pleased with my q9400 |
| [10:55:06] | Jester05: | just wish I had created a serve using this cpu |
| [10:55:19] | Jester05: | think i could get away with a c2d on my main box |
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| [10:56:24] | Jester05: | no input from anyone with respects as to what i should do? |
| [10:56:48] | clever: | cant think of anything else |
| [10:57:04] | Jester05: | me neither |
| [10:57:32] | Jester05: | anyone want to go ski shooting w/ bad hdds? |
| [10:57:34] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:57:41] | Jester05: | bet they're good for more than 1 shot lol |
| [10:58:33] | clever: | you can also make clocks out of them |
| [10:58:39] | clever: | and not any ordinary clock |
| [10:59:04] | Jester05: | lol |
| [10:59:06] | Jester05: | haha |
| [10:59:09] | clever: | let me get a link |
| [10:59:12] | sid3windr: | a clock running at 7200rpm? |
| [10:59:29] | Jester05: | you know I have a 4 gig laptop hdd in an external case.. i should put a stick OS on that thing |
| [10:59:40] | Jester05: | that'd be great for a pocket OS |
| [10:59:56] | Jester05: | and then I'd have a backup for when crap like this happens.. |
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| [11:00:38] | clever: | sid3windr: it might be |
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| [11:00:47] | clever: | sid3windr, Jester05: http://hackaday.com/2010/03/20/pov-clock-inside-acrylic-block/ |
| [11:02:03] | clever: | in this case, he just ripped the motor out and used just that |
| [11:02:18] | clever: | but there are other examples using the full platter |
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| [11:03:25] | clever: | http://hackaday.com/2010/03/06/strobeshnik-an-hdd-clock/ |
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| [11:15:01] | Jester05: | that is pretty cool clever |
| [11:15:20] | Jester05: | one may even say that its.. clever lol |
| [11:15:28] | clever: | :P |
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| [11:23:28] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I seen a remote controlled helicopter with LEDs on the blades... |
| [11:23:48] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and the same clever programming |
| [11:26:56] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: http://hackaday.com/2010/03/26/8-bit-game-con . . . -controller/ |
| [11:27:40] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | http://www.spartan-rc.com/products/skywrittin . . . ing_test.wmv |
| [11:29:38] | clever: | oops |
| [11:29:41] | clever: | oom killer! |
| [11:30:34] | Jester05: | SOB lol |
| [11:30:43] | Jester05: | to get my hdd out of my pc I have to remove the ram and the graphix card |
| [11:31:04] | clever: | thats where my P2's case is sweet |
| [11:31:18] | Jester05: | and in order to get the graphix card out I have to unpulg all of the mic, speaker, usb, and fire wire ports in the top of my case |
| [11:31:19] | clever: | the PSU and hdd trays swing out or slide out the front |
| [11:31:41] | Jester05: | lol |
| [11:31:49] | Jester05: | well my case looked sweet lol |
| [11:31:53] | clever: | even the tray with isa/pci slots slides out, pci/isa cards and all |
| [11:32:08] | Jester05: | it can old 4 cd/dvd roms |
| [11:32:11] | Jester05: | and 8 hdds lol |
| [11:32:28] | Jester05: | hold* |
| [11:32:31] | clever: | i think i can get 8 drives in my P2 |
| [11:32:48] | Jester05: | oh well la'te'da' lol |
| [11:32:48] | clever: | 4 pata on the motherboard, 2 pata on the sata/pata PCI board, and 2 sata |
| [11:33:10] | Jester05: | i think i have 2 pata and 6 sata |
| [11:33:10] | clever: | and 2 floppy!! :P |
| [11:33:13] | Jester05: | then have 2 esata |
| [11:33:15] | clever: | bet you cant get floppy at all:P |
| [11:33:22] | Jester05: | no i have floppy |
| [11:33:32] | Jester05: | don't use it but i have one plugged in |
| [11:33:51] | clever: | this sata card seems to have normal sata plugs on the back of it, for external use |
| [11:34:05] | Jester05: | brb think i jut heard the air compressor shut off.. gonna blow that bitch out |
| [11:34:35] | Jester05: | sorry.. i gotta learn to watch what I say |
| [11:34:42] | Jester05: | need to quit cussing.. grr |
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| [11:41:19] | k-man: | trying to diagnose why myth isn't receiving from lirc, i established that when i run irw as the mythtv user, i get "connect: permission denied" is there some permissions trick I am missing here? |
| [11:41:51] | clever: | k-man: you need the right perms on the lircd unix socket |
| [11:42:20] | clever: | k-man: i beleive thats /dev/lircd by default |
| [11:42:35] | k-man: | clever: can i just chmod it or i have to do something tricky? |
| [11:42:48] | clever: | chmod/chown would do, but the problem will likely come back after a reboot |
| [11:43:03] | clever: | youll have to modify the script that starts lircd, so it always gets the right perms |
| [11:43:05] | k-man: | clever: ah, thought so |
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| [11:48:56] | k-man: | i think udev is the way to do it permanently |
| [11:50:48] | clever: | udev doesnt handle creating the unix socket |
| [11:51:00] | clever: | udev creates the character device lirc0 for the driver itself |
| [11:51:10] | clever: | then lircd the program is started, which creates lircd the unix socket |
| [11:51:38] | clever: | lircd the program, connects to lirc0 and acts as a middle man between the simple lirc clients and the complex kernel<->userspace api given by the driver |
| [11:53:12] | Jester05: | by looking at the inside of my pc you would have thought i had that thing set up in a saw mill lol |
| [11:53:15] | Jester05: | so much dust |
| [11:53:26] | Jester05: | prob a good thing it failed and i had to take it apart.. |
| [11:55:35] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Jester05: you mean it didn't fail because of the dust? |
| [11:56:20] | k-man: | but udev controls the permissions in /dev no? |
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| [11:58:07] | clever: | k-man: udev only runs things after the kernel asks it to make them |
| [11:58:21] | clever: | other app's (like lircd) can create anything they want in /dev without udev knowing |
| [11:58:23] | Jester05: | lol no Cap_J_L_Picard |
| [11:58:30] | Jester05: | but my garage is now full of dust :( |
| [11:58:35] | Jester05: | my poor jeep is now dusty |
| [11:59:37] | k-man: | clever: so whats the solution to making /dev/lirc readable by mythtv? |
| [11:59:43] | k-man: | permanently |
| [11:59:57] | clever: | k-man: modify your /etc/init.d/lirc script to chown it after running lircd |
| [12:00:27] | clever: | id add a sleep 3; to be safe, since it may try to chown before lircd can make it |
| [12:00:27] | k-man: | clever: ok, thanks |
| [12:02:16] | clever: | k-man: and make sure to get a backup of the script after modifying it, your package manager may trample the fix |
| [12:04:37] | Jester05: | well this isnt so good... |
| [12:04:55] | Jester05: | the hdd seems to be preforming fine via external enclosure to my laptop |
| [12:05:13] | Jester05: | so guess that only leaves for the possibility of the mobo's controller to be going out? |
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| [12:05:28] | clever: | mobo's controler or maybe the psu |
| [12:05:40] | clever: | if the power is unstable, it might make anything fail |
| [12:05:53] | Jester05: | how could i tell if its the psu? |
| [12:06:02] | clever: | volt meter or osciliscope |
| [12:06:07] | Jester05: | b/c smartctrl didnt show anything wrong.. |
| [12:06:35] | clever: | let me check one more thing |
| [12:06:40] | clever: | # |
| [12:06:41] | clever: | 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 106 103 000 Old_age Always – 41 |
| [12:07:03] | clever: | your harddrive was a big warm when you did the test (41c), but thats fairly mild when i look at my own server |
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| [12:07:18] | clever: | bit* |
| [12:07:38] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [12:07:56] | justinh: | gah. backend at home still hasn't come back up. ide controller must've hung |
| [12:07:59] | clever: | i'm seeing 40–42 on my drives |
| [12:08:33] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [12:08:36] | Jester05: | idk |
| [12:08:49] | Jester05: | guess all i can do is put it back in my box and give it one more go |
| [12:08:54] | Jester05: | .. and hope for the best lol |
| [12:09:31] | justinh: | maybe I *could* do with a linuxy router after all. least then I'd be able to manage this kind of stuff remotely |
| [12:09:45] | justinh: | with the appropriate interfaces of course |
| [12:10:44] | Jester05: | i plan to build a linux router as well |
| [12:10:53] | Jester05: | considered making a new mbe box and using that as a router |
| [12:12:15] | Jester05: | brb |
| [12:13:04] | justinh: | I think I'm gonna have to stop relying on my backend box as dhcp server & move to a non PXE boot system for my frontend |
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| [12:13:39] | clever: | Jester05: i'm using LFS for my own router |
| [12:13:47] | Jester05: | lfs? |
| [12:13:48] | AndyCap: | justinh: what good is the frontend without a backend? |
| [12:14:10] | justinh: | AndyCap: what use is a home network if its dhcp server is offline? |
| [12:14:59] | ivor: | Jester05: linux from scratch. |
| [12:15:00] | clever: | Jester05: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| [12:15:06] | AndyCap: | justinh: longer leases. :P but you don't have to end pxe booting if you move the dhcp server to something more reliable |
| [12:15:25] | Jester05: | brb |
| [12:15:27] | justinh: | how so? |
| [12:16:12] | clever: | network booting is about the only reason i need dhcp server |
| [12:16:26] | clever: | i can static config everything |
| [12:17:04] | justinh: | anybody can |
| [12:17:12] | justinh: | messes up vistors though doesn't it |
| [12:17:37] | clever: | yeah, but we dont get visitors on the network much, and leaving it out helps screw up the wifi hackers more:P |
| [12:17:57] | GreyFoxx: | Be a cold day in hell before I left visitors plug directly into my lan. I have a special wirelessB ap on a seperate nice into my router for that heh |
| [12:18:01] | justinh: | though I already have mac authentication on my wifi |
| [12:18:12] | GreyFoxx: | they can keep their virii infected malware crap out of my network heh |
| [12:18:18] | clever: | GreyFoxx: exactly |
| [12:18:42] | GreyFoxx: | but then I have a plethora of extra hardware around so it didn't cost me anything to do it that way |
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| [12:19:06] | clever: | if i wasnt using the wifi router as a switch, i could do that easily |
| [12:19:26] | clever: | although i'm using nfs on the wifi alot, so id have to punch a few carefully locked up holes between the lans |
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| [12:20:54] | justinh: | bah, I was gonna blag a half day off then 2 machines landed my way |
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| [12:23:40] | Jester05: | back guys |
| [12:23:44] | Jester05: | did a reboot |
| [12:23:58] | justinh: | one allegedly resets every 2 minutes, which it doesn't |
| [12:24:06] | justinh: | and the other one has a hardware problem. grrr |
| [12:24:14] | Jester05: | so I thought about upgrading the bios on my mobo.. wonder if that'd have an impact on my problem |
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| [12:29:00] | justinh: | typical. a #debill flashmob is gonna be in manchester tonight, just when I'm timetabled to do something else |
| [12:30:52] | AndyCap: | a what now? |
| [12:31:23] | justinh: | protest against the digital economy bill |
| [12:31:32] | justinh: | you must've heard about flashmobs |
| [12:31:56] | justinh: | basically, people meet in a public place at a given time – organised via social networks |
| [12:32:26] | AndyCap: | was more the #debill part |
| [12:32:49] | justinh: | the 'cut user suspected of file sharing off the internet' bill |
| [12:33:16] | justinh: | and 'if a copyright owner can't be traced, transfer ownership to a govt. appointed company' bill |
| [12:33:19] | AndyCap: | ah, sounds good. then they wouldn't bring their parrots in here |
| [12:33:32] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [12:33:38] | justinh: | yeah, but they plan to pin everybody down by their IP address |
| [12:33:57] | justinh: | which is about as reliable as relying on car reg. plates to determine who was driving |
| [12:34:15] | AndyCap: | but we're not taking the driver, but the car. |
| [12:34:31] | justinh: | it has serious implications for public wifi too |
| [12:34:47] | Jester05: | well i just initiated a 2 hr 11 min hdd test |
| [12:34:49] | Jester05: | :( |
| [12:34:50] | Jester05: | lol |
| [12:34:51] | AndyCap: | nah, it would just cease to exist |
| [12:34:59] | justinh: | precisely |
| [12:35:30] | AndyCap: | they're filthy freeloaders stealing from the poor cellphone providers |
| [12:35:31] | justinh: | the big bone of contention is that the govt want to pass the bill without having it properly debated |
| [12:35:52] | justinh: | from bill to law in 2 weeks or something daft |
| [12:36:08] | AndyCap: | yay, efficient goverment! what's not to like |
| [12:36:09] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [12:36:23] | justinh: | the MP's links to media corporations have been revealed too |
| [12:36:40] | justinh: | I don't oppose punishing piracy, far from it |
| [12:36:44] | justinh: | this isn't about piracy |
| [12:39:54] | justinh: | the bill also proposes filtering the internet at DNS level |
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| [12:40:34] | clever: | guess the perverts will have to remember 209.222.138.10 then :P |
| [12:40:36] | AndyCap: | heh, at least you get a law about it. here the police and isp's just went ahead and did it |
| [12:40:49] | justinh: | yeah well. we don't want it here |
| [12:41:15] | justinh: | it should be the responsibilty of copyriight owners to go after infringers. not government |
| [12:41:18] | justinh: | it's a CIVIL matter |
| [12:41:28] | AndyCap: | royalties. :) |
| [12:42:06] | justinh: | as for the music companies complaining that piracy is affecting their revenues & killing music... they're higher than they've ever been before |
| [12:42:30] | justinh: | plus, as already shown in france, legislation doesn't actually stop piracy |
| [12:42:44] | justinh: | therefore all the bill ends up being is an affront to civil liberty |
| [12:42:50] | AndyCap: | but the evil single downloads are increasing. |
| [12:43:21] | justinh: | who cares? if companies aren't selling enough albums it's their own fault |
| [12:44:01] | justinh: | this protest is basically about govt. looking after corporations, not its citizens |
| [12:44:14] | justinh: | and not going about it by due process |
| [12:44:14] | AndyCap: | so is there any hope of shaming your MP into doing the right thing? |
| [12:44:15] | Jester05: | well gents I'm going to take a shower and had to advancedauto .. gotta turn in my brake caliper to get the $50 core charge back.. yeah $50 core charge ... |
| [12:44:25] | AndyCap: | or are you going to get read the riot act? |
| [12:44:29] | justinh: | AndyCap: one party has already done a u-turn |
| [12:45:35] | justinh: | problem is, without a proper informed debate MPs would just sign it off |
| [12:45:43] | justinh: | they don't understand what it's about |
| [12:45:58] | AndyCap: | pirates are bad. that makes me good. |
| [12:45:59] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [12:46:21] | AndyCap: | pedophiles bad, me doubleplusgood |
| [12:46:32] | justinh: | the rules about copyright transfer are quite worrying |
| [12:46:57] | AndyCap: | yeah, that sounds like quite a moneygrab |
| [12:46:58] | justinh: | basically saying that if somebody wants to use something of yours & can't get in touch for whatever reason, they can just have it |
| [12:47:22] | justinh: | and you'd have no control over subsequent works |
| [12:47:33] | justinh: | there's some good stuff in the bill too |
| [12:47:44] | justinh: | it's not all twonk :) |
| [12:48:28] | justinh: | ISPs & even a handful of music companies are dead against it |
| [12:48:43] | justinh: | goes without saying that said music companies aren't world-level players |
| [12:49:06] | Jester05: | anyone wanna buy a questionable Asus P5E3 Premium lol |
| [12:49:28] | Jester05: | its a completely tricked out mobo.. just dunno for sure if the sata controller works right ;) |
| [12:50:45] | AndyCap: | justinh: anywho. copyright infringement being a civil matter. |
| [12:51:07] | AndyCap: | justinh: what if virgin started cutting off suspected infringers on their own. :) |
| [12:51:21] | justinh: | thought they already did |
| [12:52:03] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | They can't prove it enough to get a valid warrant already... |
| [12:52:09] | justinh: | btw this is the same company who HOST copyrighted stuff on their binary usenet servers after boasting they'd a) increased retention AND b) widened the number of available groups |
| [12:52:44] | AndyCap: | "Virgin appears to have gone further than any other ISP in acceding to the demands of the music industry." Hahaha. what would they expect from Virgin! |
| [12:52:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | As a hash cannot == copywrited file... |
| [12:53:16] | justinh: | hey mister two computers connected together equals an internet |
| [12:53:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the only way they can say without reasonable doubt would be finding the files on the hardrive. |
| [12:53:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: it is, technically speaking... |
| [12:53:40] | justinh: | or pick through their logs to see who'd downloaded which rar |
| [12:54:12] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: what logs? Torrents are just hashes in logs.. |
| [12:54:19] | justinh: | well well well what do you know.. I set both units to get IPs by DHCP & suddenly the software starts to work as it should |
| [12:54:28] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: VM host BINARY NEWSGROUPS |
| [12:54:29] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and there are an infinite amount of files that will equal the same hash... |
| [12:54:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the one the ISPs don't like is torrents, it uses their networks far too effeciently... |
| [12:54:55] | k-man: | with mythnetvideo, i don't seem to get any results for searches except on daily motion – how do i get some debug info from it? |
| [12:56:12] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: ive discovered that the bit torrent in the WOW updater makes my system blue screen |
| [12:56:39] | clever: | its not a problem with the wifi drivers, the usb cell modem does it also |
| [12:57:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | no, it's because that client installs itself as a windows driver itself... |
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| [12:57:23] | clever: | i have a feeling the windows tcp stack just plain sucks:P |
| [12:57:30] | clever: | i have to turn p2p mode off to make it work |
| [12:57:37] | clever: | too many tcp connections and it fails |
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| [12:59:30] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: it does, but that doesn't stop that client installing it's own driver right into the stack... |
| [12:59:54] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: i dont see how its doing any mucking around with the kernel, it works just fine under wine |
| [13:00:06] | clever: | wine doesnt have access to ring0 or any real kernel stuff |
| [13:00:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: which is why it doesn't crash in Linux |
| [13:01:10] | clever: | if it demanded that special driver, it would just refuse to work at all |
| [13:01:19] | clever: | so its either optional or doesnt exist |
| [13:01:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the installer ignores the extra component, it's not necerssary just improves the windows stack a bit... |
| [13:01:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | so on windows it installs it. |
| [13:01:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but it doesn't tell you it's going to |
| [13:01:52] | clever: | i'll have to take a closer look next time i'm in windows to see if thats true |
| [13:02:06] | mag0o: | Ooo, a pandora.com cli app! |
| [13:02:09] | justinh: | who cares anyway, it's WoW :) |
| [13:02:15] | Jester05: | clever, if it is my sata controller thats messing up do you think it'd do any good to try to plug into a different sata port? .. I have 6 internal sata ports and 2 external sata ports on the mobo |
| [13:02:27] | clever: | Jester05: cant hurt to try another port |
| [13:02:45] | Jester05: | I wonder how my bios will like me plugging into different sata ports |
| [13:03:08] | Jester05: | didn't know if it'd want port0 to be filled prior to using port1 |
| [13:03:43] | Jester05: | 99 min left on this hdd test .. bahh lol |
| [13:06:04] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: wtf, ive got a 'jungo' driver installed.... |
| [13:08:14] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: still cant find any trace of a WoW driver |
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| [13:17:50] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | clever: It's over a year since I pulled apart the wow installer and stuff... |
| [13:18:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | as I don't play WoW it doesn't effect me. |
| [13:18:12] | clever: | Cap_J_L_Picard: any sites that mentioned it? |
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| [13:19:12] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | probably, as I said, it's been over a year since I even took any interest in it, so I don't know.. |
| [13:19:32] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | they could have changed it.. |
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| [13:29:10] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | okay... |
| [13:30:50] | justinh: | oh heck. Enna |
| [13:31:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I've started uing xmltv tv_grab-uk-rt and it's picking up the listing and generating the list for the search, setting all the xmlIDs in the channels config. But it's not putting them in the program guide? |
| [13:31:31] | justinh: | like linux needs another media player |
| [13:33:36] | Beirdo: | justinh: of course it does :) |
| [13:33:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [13:33:45] | Beirdo: | just kidding |
| [13:34:09] | Beirdo: | Uhd my GUHD... |
| [13:34:14] | Beirdo: | I wanna sleep. |
| [13:34:36] | Beirdo: | less than 20h left at this job. JAY |
| [13:34:47] | justinh: | heh looks loads like xbmc |
| [13:34:53] | Beirdo: | YAY even... OK, that's it, gonna go make coffee |
| [13:34:59] | justinh: | one hour left for me this week :) |
| [13:35:15] | devinheitmueller: | For all you who might be fans of xkcd but hate the GUI interface: http://xkcd.com/ |
| [13:36:53] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | nice... |
| [13:38:58] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [13:39:04] | Beirdo: | that's cool |
| [13:39:29] | devinheitmueller: | If you're an xkcd fan, you'll appreciate the "sudo make me a sandwich" command. |
| [13:39:30] | MilkBoy: | finally some nice use of javascript =) |
| [13:39:34] | skd5aner: | I like that – I wonder if that's just for april fools or not? |
| [13:39:52] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [13:39:54] | devinheitmueller: | You can see the hidden commands here: http://github.com/chromakode/xkcdfools/blob/master/xkcd_cli.js |
| [13:40:02] | justinh: | don't just try standard commands |
| [13:40:48] | justinh: | muhahaha |
| [13:40:56] | justinh: | some thought has gone into this mind |
| [13:41:04] | devinheitmueller: | clearly. |
| [13:41:16] | AndyCap: | hmm, maybe one should look at javascript terminals again |
| [13:41:18] | devinheitmueller: | It amazes me how much time people are willing to invest in this sort of thing. |
| [13:41:27] | devinheitmueller: | Like the stuff they do on the thinkgeek.com site every year. |
| [13:41:45] | justinh: | ROFL |
| [13:41:51] | justinh: | you are eaten by a grue |
| [13:42:00] | AndyCap: | http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003857 |
| [13:42:05] | devinheitmueller: | "2010: Monolith Action Figure" ! |
| [13:43:02] | justinh: | that whole site has got to be a wind-up |
| [13:43:12] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: I use a slightly modified version of WebShell myself |
| [13:43:47] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I had a webshell interface to my blog at one point... |
| [13:44:43] | Beirdo: | I use it primarily to access screen... for irssi, so I can chat with the lot of you |
| [13:44:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [13:45:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I use ssh for that... more effecient... |
| [13:46:16] | Beirdo: | no it's not |
| [13:46:18] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [13:46:23] | Beirdo: | ssh no workee |
| [13:46:41] | Beirdo: | and WebShell connects to ssh anyways... from the server |
| [13:46:59] | Beirdo: | fascist firewalls are the suck |
| [13:47:52] | justinh: | xkcd is truly a thing of beauty |
| [13:49:25] | clever: | devinheitmueller: that command is only semi working |
| [13:49:46] | clever: | devinheitmueller: if you mispell sandwich, it says make isnt a valid command |
| [13:49:55] | devinheitmueller: | true. |
| [13:49:56] | clever: | which goes against how things normal function |
| [13:49:59] | devinheitmueller: | You should submit a bug report. |
| [13:50:08] | clever: | its not a proper shell |
| [13:50:22] | Beirdo: | !trout clever Captain Obvious |
| [13:50:22] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a Captain Obvious trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [13:50:25] | AndyCap: | clever: and include a patch http://github.com/chromakode/xkcdfools/blob/master/xkcd_cli.js |
| [13:50:41] | clever: | its more of a complete re-write |
| [13:51:03] | clever: | ah, neat way to flip thru the comics though :) |
| [13:51:09] | AndyCap: | you've got 14 hours and change. |
| [13:51:12] | Beirdo: | clever: you are going to be really happy in your old age when you finally get some jokes |
| [13:51:16] | justinh: | talk about Buzz Killington |
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| [13:51:45] | clever: | the random comic loading takes 2 http requests though |
| [13:52:54] | justinh: | oh man, you can take the joy out of anything |
| [13:53:18] | clever: | the tall comics break, they disabled scrolling |
| [13:54:45] | Beirdo: | justinh:unbelievable, eh? |
| [13:55:30] | clever: | devinheitmueller: you also cant 'ls forums' |
| [13:55:41] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [13:55:46] | Beirdo: | give it a rest |
| [13:56:06] | clever: | i use bash all day and night |
| [13:56:11] | justinh: | get a job |
| [13:56:13] | clever: | this is nowhere close to any normal shell |
| [13:56:26] | justinh: | it's a gag for the 1st of April |
| [13:56:31] | justinh: | no more, no less |
| [13:56:39] | AndyCap: | justinh: ba-da-bum-tish |
| [13:56:45] | Beirdo: | news flash: it's not supposed to be a normal shell. Live with it. |
| [13:57:05] | justinh: | actually.. time to go get some duct tape |
| [13:57:14] | sid3windr: | tried cat? you're a kitty! |
| [13:57:14] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [13:57:22] | sid3windr: | pity it doesnt tabcomplete though ;) |
| [13:57:22] | Beirdo: | justinh: I actually LIKE the interface though ;) |
| [13:57:24] | _abbenormal: | its all good fun until someone pokes an eye out |
| [13:57:25] | ** AndyCap hands justinh an Atilla the pun award ** | |
| [13:57:27] | clever: | and cat'ing files doesnt make a http request to fetch it:P |
| [13:57:33] | clever: | the files are hard-coded into the js |
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| [13:57:40] | Beirdo: | clever: so what?! |
| [13:57:55] | sid3windr: | so clever, this clever |
| [13:58:10] | justinh: | what pun? |
| [13:58:15] | Beirdo: | !salmon clever shutty |
| [13:58:15] | ** MythLogBot connects with the head of clever with a shutty salmon on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [13:58:46] | AndyCap: | justinh: no more, no less. :) |
| [13:58:47] | Beirdo: | jeez, some people just have to over-analyze everything. |
| [13:59:02] | Beirdo: | remind me not to do a book club with clever |
| [13:59:10] | justinh: | Beirdo: that's all the Canadians I've ever met. I hope to meet the other kind one day |
| [13:59:20] | Beirdo: | justinh: really? including me? |
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| [13:59:31] | justinh: | no, I mean met in person |
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| [13:59:35] | Beirdo: | oooh ;) |
| [13:59:44] | clever: | the goto command is fun |
| [13:59:50] | Beirdo: | not all Canadians are like that.. we tend to be whiners though |
| [14:00:16] | mzb: | you lot deride a member of # because they think differently ? |
| [14:00:46] | Beirdo: | mzb: no. because they are being Captain Obvious :) |
| [14:00:57] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [14:01:11] | ** mzb stabs Beirdo in the eye with a blunt stick ** | |
| [14:01:21] | Beirdo: | and.. at times.. Captain Oblivious |
| [14:01:40] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't do that if I were you. |
| [14:02:18] | AndyCap: | justinh: sorry, no award, thanks to my poor english knowledge. :) It's a double entendre, not a pun. |
| [14:02:20] | ** Beirdo is inspired to make a "plugin_shutty" for the bot. ** | |
| [14:02:20] | mzb: | I'm couldn't be bothered asking why ... but my point about deriding a member of channel remains |
| [14:02:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | setting up xmltv channel config, do I want BBC1 london or BBC1 generic? |
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| [14:03:19] | clever: | Beirdo: neat, sudo apt-get upgrade will check your user-agent before proceding! |
| [14:03:29] | justinh: | sigh |
| [14:03:52] | ** mzb goes back to hiding under his nice damp bridge ** | |
| [14:03:58] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | does the london feed only have the local stuff? |
| [14:04:05] | Beirdo: | justinh: just like the Energizer Bunny |
| [14:04:21] | Beirdo: | Cap_J_L_Picard: I don't know how many here would have a clue on that |
| [14:04:45] | Beirdo: | best to just see what each gives you, and use the one that gives the channels you have, perhaps? |
| [14:04:54] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | hmm... not helpfull being BBC broadcast the same other than certain times of day... |
| [14:05:19] | Beirdo: | mmmm, the beeb |
| [14:05:36] | justinh: | these are gonna be 25 long minutes |
| [14:05:38] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Beirdo: it's labourious enough entering lots of xml ids |
| [14:05:50] | justinh: | the good bit is you only have to do that once |
| [14:05:53] | ** Beirdo wanders off to check the listings on BBC7 for more interesting programs to listen to ** | |
| [14:05:55] | justinh: | if you do it right |
| [14:06:21] | justinh: | remember seeing some nasty db update script somewhere once |
| [14:06:31] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: this is the second time already... and I might have to modify it soon... |
| [14:06:46] | justinh: | like UPDATE channel SET xmltvid="foo" WHERE name="bar"; |
| [14:07:02] | justinh: | we need to think of a much better way of doing this |
| [14:07:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm using mythweb |
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| [14:07:20] | justinh: | no I mean better than mythweb |
| [14:07:25] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I just copy and paste on the page... |
| [14:07:31] | justinh: | like you do it in mythtv-setup & off it goes |
| [14:07:36] | Beirdo: | Oooh. |
| [14:07:40] | justinh: | using services.mythtv.org or something |
| [14:07:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yeah, get the CALLSIGNS to match and use them |
| [14:07:47] | Beirdo: | "I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again" |
| [14:08:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | that's how it's supposed to automatically do it anyway... |
| [14:08:14] | justinh: | it's not though |
| [14:08:26] | justinh: | it's not supposed to do it automatically |
| [14:08:30] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | none of the callsigns in the radio times feeds match the ones sent over the air, so... |
| [14:09:05] | justinh: | we need somebody to collect all this stuff & pull it into mythtv-setup somehow |
| [14:09:25] | justinh: | maybe I'll have a word with Nick Morrott about it |
| [14:10:26] | justinh: | he beat me to my last good idea :) |
| [14:10:36] | justinh: | postcode config of xmltv lineups for the UK |
| [14:10:59] | justinh: | the problem is that freeview channel names aren't always right |
| [14:11:16] | justinh: | ITV2+1 was still called 'ITV' last time I looked |
| [14:11:37] | justinh: | and the numbers change as often as hell |
| [14:11:54] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | ITV2+1 is a seperate channel... |
| [14:12:01] | justinh: | DUH |
| [14:12:02] | justinh: | I KNOW |
| [14:12:16] | justinh: | but itv2+1 is called ITV over the air |
| [14:12:19] | justinh: | *wrongly* |
| [14:12:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | ITV/ITV1 still exists seperately... |
| [14:12:30] | justinh: | I KNOW |
| [14:12:36] | justinh: | point is, it's WRONG |
| [14:12:52] | justinh: | and it likely won't always be wrong, and likely may not remain wrong in every region |
| [14:12:59] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | "ITV2 +1" is the OTA call and name for it |
| [14:13:01] | justinh: | you can't take anything for granted with this lot |
| [14:13:09] | justinh: | maybe they fixed it then |
| [14:13:12] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | copied straight out of my mythweb... |
| [14:13:44] | justinh: | just illustrating we can't really rely on anything they broadcast |
| [14:13:57] | justinh: | not without having a live updated feed for everybody to use to base their config from |
| [14:14:14] | justinh: | and somebody'll have to maintain it |
| [14:14:59] | justinh: | we could use channel numbers or channel names.. doesn't matter |
| [14:15:10] | justinh: | so long as they're the same in all regions |
| [14:15:34] | justinh: | not 100% sure we can have that written in stone though |
| [14:15:57] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I think I'll pass on this BBC7 jewel: Fags, Mags and Bags |
| [14:16:25] | Beirdo: | set in a Glasgow corner shop |
| [14:16:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:16:37] | justinh: | that was good |
| [14:16:37] | Beirdo: | so obviously, referring to smokes. |
| [14:16:47] | Beirdo: | it was a good show? |
| [14:16:53] | justinh: | I found it funny |
| [14:17:03] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [14:17:12] | justinh: | very british humour |
| [14:17:14] | Beirdo: | OK, maybe I'll give it a listen... |
| [14:17:28] | justinh: | better than half the junk radio 4 put out as comedy these days |
| [14:17:31] | Beirdo: | I already listen to Goon Shows :) |
| [14:17:50] | justinh: | Count Arthur Strong is ok too |
| [14:18:11] | justinh: | but avoid anything with Sue Perkins or Lucy Porter. Shudder |
| [14:18:15] | Beirdo: | cool |
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| [14:18:21] | Beirdo: | I like British comedy |
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| [14:18:43] | justinh: | what's that other one.. with Marcus Briggstocke... awful anyway |
| [14:18:53] | justinh: | Bleak Expectations is cool too |
| [14:19:17] | justinh: | for my own use I record more radio shows than TV :) |
| [14:19:34] | justinh: | I spend more time in my car than I do watching TV every day, prolly why |
| [14:19:48] | Beirdo: | yeah, I understand the concept :) |
| [14:20:19] | Beirdo: | although my commute is a lot shorter now, and will be nearly non-existent once I'm in Seattle :) |
| [14:20:20] | justinh: | Beirdo: get some News Quiz down yer neck :) |
| [14:20:49] | justinh: | to think as a kid I used to think only snobs listened to radio 4 |
| [14:20:57] | justinh: | and now I *am* a snob! lol |
| [14:20:57] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [14:22:20] | justinh: | wonder if there's any 'Look around you' on any of the online streaming thingies |
| [14:22:49] | Beirdo: | oh bother. |
| [14:23:10] | ** Beirdo flips the BBC the bird ** | |
| [14:23:29] | Beirdo: | I think they may have changed stuff around on me again |
| [14:23:53] | justinh: | bloody foreigners, coming over here with their IP packets, stealing our shows |
| [14:23:55] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [14:24:09] | Beirdo: | hey, they stream internationally |
| [14:24:44] | Beirdo: | and I DO listen to the international stream |
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| [14:24:55] | justinh: | wonder if there's any mileage in making a 'listen again' parser |
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| [14:25:11] | justinh: | BBC Backstage guys are angling to get iPlayer an API |
| [14:25:16] | justinh: | never gonna happen though |
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| [14:26:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: and several unofficial ones already exist... |
| [14:26:56] | Beirdo: | justinh: I use the listen again links to stream, BTW, not live |
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| [14:27:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: a lot of the stuff alreasdy has API access to it... |
| [14:27:42] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: I'm getting rather tired of this BS now. There is no iplayer API as such. everything is an ugly hack which contravenes their T&Cs |
| [14:28:01] | justinh: | they don't support using anything but a web browser with a flash plugin |
| [14:28:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: there is behind the scenes, those hacks are using it. |
| [14:28:29] | justinh: | but they're faking flash authentication |
| [14:28:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: the flash player uses it behind the scenes to get the right stream. |
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| [14:28:45] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | there is no real auth... |
| [14:29:11] | justinh: | yeah it's just some crappy user agent checking which was reverse engineered |
| [14:29:25] | justinh: | unusable though, so makes no odds |
| [14:29:28] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yes we use hacks to get the final stream, but all the data of what is available and till when is all in xml feeds. |
| [14:29:47] | justinh: | 'we' being ? |
| [14:30:10] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: Urm, I happen to have helped with some of the iplayer hacking. |
| [14:30:31] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | there is a little community that reveresed engineered it... |
| [14:30:32] | justinh: | which now can't be done without a dodgy lib. heh |
| [14:30:44] | justinh: | which means you'll never see it in mythtv |
| [14:30:54] | justinh: | means even xbmc will never publically admit to it either |
| [14:31:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: actually, the dodgy lib is the fork with the non dodgy stuff in it now. |
| [14:31:28] | justinh: | anyhoo.. hometime! |
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| [15:05:02] | ivor: | justdave: oh dear. flashmob didn't go so well. :( |
| [15:05:24] | ivor: | argh. justinh not justdave |
| [15:06:00] | AndyCap: | ivor: he's gone |
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| [15:06:20] | ivor: | AndyCap: yeah realised that post 'enter' :) |
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| [15:08:15] | AndyCap: | ivor: what didn't go well? |
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| [15:12:49] | ivor: | AndyCap: according to the register there was a flashmob of 7 protestors. |
| [15:12:58] | ivor: | somewhat underwhelming. |
| [15:12:59] | AndyCap: | oh |
| [15:13:24] | AndyCap: | was worrying about the iron hand |
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| [15:16:51] | Beirdo: | 7 protestors?! |
| [15:16:54] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [15:17:08] | Beirdo: | did they at least protest with battle tanks? |
| [15:17:42] | Beirdo: | hmm, I think I need to make my script remove ' from filenames |
| [15:17:58] | AndyCap: | http://twitter.com/openrightsgroup/status/11416349154 bring police helmet?!? |
| [15:18:23] | Beirdo: | oh, heheh |
| [15:18:26] | Beirdo: | nvm |
| [15:20:49] | jolaren: | Atleast now I know why the backend has crashed a few times a day.. the EIT scannings (dont know if its called that but trying to grab data over the air) has crashed it. With nothing pulling information it works fine.. I can't get XMLTV to work prop |
| [15:21:08] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [15:21:16] | Beirdo: | my company's firewall sucks |
| [15:21:27] | Beirdo: | they block BBC4 as being Internet Audio |
| [15:21:30] | Beirdo: | but not BBC7 |
| [15:21:34] | Beirdo: | tards |
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| [15:22:10] | jolaren: | 2010-04–01 17:21:53.720 FillData, Error: xmltv returned error code 512 |
| [15:22:10] | jolaren: | 2010-04–01 17:21:53.720 Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file |
| [15:22:44] | kormoc: | so run mythfilldatabase by hand and see what it says? |
| [15:22:53] | jolaren: | thats what I did |
| [15:23:03] | jolaren: | mythfilldatabase --manual |
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| [15:24:10] | Beirdo: | this is just unreadl |
| [15:24:14] | Beirdo: | unreal even |
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| [15:24:42] | Beirdo: | apparently... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ is blocked.. but not http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio7/ |
| [15:25:00] | jolaren: | prob dif streams? |
| [15:25:33] | Beirdo: | I'm not trying to get to streams |
| [15:25:37] | Beirdo: | just the page |
| [15:25:53] | Beirdo: | I mean the literal URLs I put there. These guys are retarded! |
| [15:25:55] | jolaren: | hum.. |
| [15:26:16] | Beirdo: | radio 1.. no. radio 2... yes |
| [15:26:16] | jolaren: | yer sounds like a stupid thing |
| [15:26:33] | Beirdo: | 1Xtra.. yes |
| [15:26:37] | AndyCap: | websenseless? |
| [15:26:43] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [15:26:47] | Beirdo: | radio3... yes |
| [15:27:19] | Beirdo: | they blocked the pages for radio1 and radio4... and allowed the rest?!@ |
| [15:27:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:27:44] | Beirdo: | I'll never understand these tards. Good thing Tuesday's my last day |
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| [15:30:45] | Beirdo: | let's just look at it on my iphone... thanks |
| [15:33:52] | jolaren: | Can someone take a look at my mythfilldatabase log? |
| [15:33:53] | jolaren: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/407620/ |
| [15:36:50] | kormoc: | jolaren: line #24 "config file /home/joel/.mythtv/.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure" |
| [15:37:14] | jolaren: | I don't understand how-to |
| [15:37:22] | jolaren: | i've tried mythfilldatabase --configure |
| [15:37:32] | kormoc: | jolaren: run the xml grabber with --configure |
| [15:37:52] | kormoc: | it's all covered on xmltv.org |
| [15:38:04] | jolaren: | thanks i'll read there |
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| [15:47:35] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8266#comment:6 |
| [15:47:40] | iamlindoro: | Haha, what a douche |
| [15:48:26] | iamlindoro: | "This in the light that valgrind make a dual core 2.7 Ghz box have it's dvb buffers overflow because of valgrind." |
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| [15:48:34] | iamlindoro: | Um... pretty sure that has nothing to do with valgrind |
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| [15:49:20] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the problem there is valgrind slows the mythbackend down to the point where it cannot keep up with the DVB buffers arriving in kernel. |
| [15:49:30] | sid3windr: | but valgrind makes it so because of valgrind. |
| [15:49:32] | devinheitmueller: | .... so you'll get EOVERFLOW conditions. |
| [15:49:41] | jolaren: | I've tried tv_grab_se_swedb --configure |
| [15:49:42] | jolaren: | and that works fine |
| [15:49:50] | jolaren: | but then running mythfilldatabase --manual |
| [15:49:53] | jolaren: | i get the same errors |
| [15:50:25] | skd5aner: | maybe the devs should release mythtv today, but call it v 1.0... |
| [15:50:30] | skd5aner: | would be a good april fools joke |
| [15:51:30] | sid3windr: | "it's finished" |
| [15:51:30] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [15:52:12] | skd5aner: | "We finally feel myth has reached it's critical mass, enough to make this the v1.0 release everyone has been asking about for years" :D |
| [15:52:49] | skd5aner: | Then do something silly, and actually package myth 0.01 or something |
| [15:53:03] | Beirdo: | 1.0 doesn't mean finished, silly |
| [15:53:18] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [15:53:20] | jolaren: | skd5aner, i'd be pissed as hell if i "up/downgraded" :P |
| [15:53:25] | Beirdo: | but I like this idea |
| [15:53:32] | kormoc: | Beirdo: sure it does, there's never been a project release after 1.0 ya know! |
| [15:53:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:53:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, never |
| [15:53:53] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I know that, you know that – but the question seems to come up all the time... "When is myth going to have a 1.0 release", blah blah blah |
| [15:54:09] | iamlindoro: | 1.0 means finished in France: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/01/14120 . . . ns-Use-of-20 |
| [15:54:16] | Beirdo: | yeah... 'April 1, 2010' |
| [15:54:39] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: get making the 1.0 tag :) |
| [15:54:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:54:55] | Beirdo: | too much work for a gag |
| [15:55:06] | skd5aner: | People know we're close to a release, just say the devs decided it was mature enough to rebrand 0.23 as 1.0 – I bet people will bite |
| [15:55:20] | iamlindoro: | people sure like to use "we" a lot |
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| [15:55:35] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [15:55:37] | Beirdo: | we we we |
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| [15:55:52] | AndyCap: | Slashdot has really gone overboard with the april fools jokes this year. "Judge Finds NSA Wiretapping Program Illegal" |
| [15:55:58] | skd5aner: | collective we, no harm in that |
| [15:56:14] | Beirdo: | Slashdot can wither and die |
| [15:56:19] | iamlindoro: | "we" are close to a release has a not-so-subtly implication that you are responsible for it ;P |
| [15:56:41] | skd5aner: | No different than when people say "We're winning the war" – etc, so on – I don't see them on the battlefield |
| [15:57:03] | Beirdo: | or "mission accomplished" |
| [15:57:05] | skd5aner: | "We're losing the game" |
| [15:57:07] | Beirdo: | OK then |
| [15:57:16] | jolaren: | *** glibc detected *** mythfilldatabase: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0000000 |
| [15:57:18] | jolaren: | etc |
| [15:57:22] | jolaren: | filled with errors this tme |
| [15:58:29] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | AndyCap: France bans the use of 2.0... |
| [15:58:49] | ivor: | too plausable. |
| [15:58:55] | skd5aner: | sound's bizzare to say "you're close to a release" or "they're close to a release" in the context – but it shouldn't be misunderstood that I had nothing to do with it :) |
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| [16:01:28] | ivor: | double negative there. |
| [16:02:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:02:27] | skd5aner: | ummmm? it reads fine to me? |
| [16:02:40] | Beirdo: | here's your sign. |
| [16:02:51] | Beirdo: | oops, that just slipped out |
| [16:03:17] | skd5aner: | tough crowd today |
| [16:03:27] | Beirdo: | nah, just spunky |
| [16:04:33] | Beirdo: | we are equal-opportunity hecklers today |
| [16:04:45] | skd5aner: | ha – fair enough |
| [16:06:20] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | why isn't it working when I tell it to stop recording? |
| [16:08:09] | skd5aner: | you didn't say "engage" afterwards? |
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| [16:08:22] | skd5aner: | or, maybe "make it so"? |
| [16:08:28] | AndyCap: | Cap_J_L_Picard: if it wasn't working it wouldn't be recording would it? |
| [16:08:44] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I want it to stop recording... |
| [16:08:45] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | lols |
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| [16:08:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I think I've tricked it into it... |
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| [16:09:34] | iamlindoro: | and by "tricked" you mean "did it properly this time" |
| [16:10:25] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i hate apr1 |
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| [16:10:43] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: aye. stupid tradition |
| [16:12:23] | wagnerrp: | 'this new x86_64 setup is slightly more powerful so it enables me to do a valgrind' |
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| [16:12:57] | wagnerrp: | oh if only i could edit comments on trac |
| [16:14:21] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [16:16:05] | Beirdo: | Udo++ |
| [16:16:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:16:19] | Beirdo: | have a trout, wagnerrp... I think he needs it |
| [16:17:04] | iamlindoro: | Ud'oh |
| [16:17:30] | Beirdo: | hey, he's a bit entertaining at least... and not writing bash scripts from hades |
| [16:18:57] | iamlindoro: | he is very antagonistic, there's a long history |
| [16:19:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | serious problem with the mythtv interface... |
| [16:19:19] | mzb: | !trout hades bash |
| [16:19:19] | ** MythLogBot slaps hades with a bash trout on behalf of mzb... ** | |
| [16:19:26] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the boxes aren't big enough for the whole text... |
| [16:19:36] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: can't disagre with you there. |
| [16:19:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | How big does a bash script in order to be Plutonic? |
| [16:20:01] | Beirdo: | JEDIDIAH__: sentence fail |
| [16:20:10] | mzb: | >1 line |
| [16:20:13] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: boxes are entirely large enough for the text they were designed to handle |
| [16:20:29] | mzb: | Beirdo: ENOSENTENCE? |
| [16:20:29] | wagnerrp: | the problem is the translations are considerably longer than the original english text |
| [16:20:37] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [16:21:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: could it be a "not 100DPI" issue? |
| [16:21:20] | Beirdo: | or is that issue long gone? |
| [16:21:24] | skd5aner: | Picard: what verison? |
| [16:21:45] | skd5aner: | and are you using something other than English? |
| [16:23:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i dont know if text scaling is still an issue |
| [16:23:18] | wagnerrp: | i had thought that was fixed with 0.22 |
| [16:23:41] | wagnerrp: | with the new ui, the user no longer has control over font size |
| [16:24:17] | Beirdo: | K. Good to know :) |
| [16:24:45] | mzb: | !trout himself hot, wet |
| [16:24:45] | ** MythLogBot slaps himself with a hot, wet trout on behalf of mzb... ** | |
| [16:24:55] | mzb: | oh dear |
| [16:25:08] | ** mzb retires for the night ** | |
| [16:25:33] | skd5aner: | did you just sexually abuse MythLogBot? |
| [16:25:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, you need to detect those self-referring pronouns |
| [16:25:41] | mzb: | or perhaps that should be: |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, I think it should detect those and abuse the requestor |
| [16:26:00] | mzb: | !trout himself_all-over hot, wet |
| [16:26:00] | ** MythLogBot slaps himself_all-over with a hot, wet trout on behalf of mzb... ** | |
| [16:26:11] | Beirdo: | let me go make a bug report :) |
| [16:26:16] | mzb: | yep ... definitely time for bed |
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| [16:26:34] | mzb: | skd5aner: no, MythLogBot did it all to himself |
| [16:26:45] | mzb: | s/itself |
| [16:27:53] | Beirdo: | http://github.com/Beirdo/beirdobot/issues/issue/8 |
| [16:27:56] | Beirdo: | done :) |
| [16:28:18] | mzb: | !trout himself_all-over hot, wet (slightly used) |
| [16:28:18] | ** MythLogBot slaps himself_all-over with a hot, wet (slightly used) trout on behalf of mzb... ** | |
| [16:28:32] | Beirdo: | mzb: go to bed |
| [16:28:46] | Beirdo: | !salmon mzb |
| [16:28:46] | ** MythLogBot plants a salmon upside the head of mzb on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [16:29:19] | ** mzb goes to bed with said salmon ** | |
| [16:29:54] | mzb: | (and promises not to respect it in the morning) |
| [16:30:05] | Beirdo: | no woman, no cry... |
| [16:30:18] | Beirdo: | ahhh, drown out the cow-workers with Bob Marley |
| [16:31:30] | jolaren: | Any Swede here who acctually got xmltv to work with the swedb thingy |
| [16:31:36] | Beirdo: | they seem to have not ever learned how to use inside voices |
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| [16:31:59] | Beirdo: | natanojl: run away! jolaren was just asking about Swedes... |
| [16:32:22] | natanojl: | hehe =) |
| [16:32:45] | natanojl: | haven't seen him in a while |
| [16:32:47] | jolaren: | you can run far but we swedes handles any climate ;) |
| [16:32:49] | Beirdo: | he's looking for guidance with some xmltv stuff |
| [16:33:14] | Beirdo: | OK, jump onto a reindeer and gallop away :) or a moose |
| [16:33:31] | jolaren: | yer I will |
| [16:33:36] | jolaren: | zeh polarbears are on strike |
| [16:34:09] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll let you two hash out swedish xmltv... bork bork bork :) |
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| [16:34:59] | natanojl: | :) |
| [16:37:58] | Beirdo: | hmmm, so it seems that vaapi's encoding is so far only supported by the Moorestown driver |
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| [16:38:16] | Beirdo: | i.e. a new Atom, apparently |
| [16:39:53] | wagnerrp: | oh imagine the irony if a dinky atom is the only machine capable of recording off avermedia's component framegrabber |
| [16:40:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, crazy, huh? |
| [16:40:40] | Beirdo: | hardware support for MPEG4 and H.264 encoding |
| [16:40:45] | ** Beirdo drools ** | |
| [16:40:56] | wagnerrp: | the former, i dont see the point |
| [16:41:03] | Beirdo: | ummm, I do |
| [16:41:14] | Beirdo: | nuvexport... what do most people want? |
| [16:41:21] | Beirdo: | xvid/divx |
| [16:41:23] | wagnerrp: | no one likes MPEG4 (asp) |
| [16:41:52] | Beirdo: | but for sure, H.264 is more important to me :) |
| [16:41:53] | wagnerrp: | it has become the bastard stepchild since cpu power and hardware acceleration for h264 decoding is so common |
| [16:41:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:42:03] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know |
| [16:42:17] | Beirdo: | but if it is supported, I'd want gputrans to allow it |
| [16:42:59] | Beirdo: | but still GPU doing even just the decoding will be a definite advantage to start |
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| [16:44:12] | Beirdo: | afternoon, gbee |
| [16:44:21] | gbee: | g'afternoon |
| [16:46:02] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: BTW, that info was from the person that seems to be the main vaapi dev right now at splitted-desktop |
| [16:47:20] | Beirdo: | hmmm, does the current linux nvidia driver support OpenCL? |
| [16:49:25] | Beirdo: | runs on cuda... so it looks like a definite possibility |
| [16:52:48] | Beirdo: | too many things to confuse my brain at the moment :) |
| [16:52:53] | kormoc: | http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/the-rip1/ |
| [16:53:31] | wagnerrp: | gas injected cables? |
| [16:55:13] | Beirdo: | well, the EMI/RF interference is not a myth, especially for analog |
| [16:55:51] | Beirdo: | but you don't need much to shield :) |
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| [16:56:07] | Beirdo: | Monster is for people with more money than brains, that's for sure |
| [16:56:31] | wagnerrp: | huh... huh... he called them a douche nozzle |
| [16:56:45] | Beirdo: | huh huhhu huhuh |
| [16:56:51] | Beirdo: | I miss Beavis & Butthead |
| [16:56:55] | wagnerrp: | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1128315&cid=26861587 |
| [16:57:30] | clever: | Beirdo: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-44.png |
| [16:57:40] | Beirdo: | and gold-plated on analog had SOME usefulness... the connectors don't go corroding :) |
| [16:57:49] | wagnerrp: | my link is better... |
| [16:58:42] | Beirdo: | I don't slashdot :) |
| [16:58:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:58:49] | wagnerrp: | its a great comment |
| [16:58:53] | wagnerrp: | you need to read it |
| [16:58:54] | clever: | lol |
| [16:58:58] | Beirdo: | every time I go there, I get overwhelmed by idiocy |
| [16:59:20] | wagnerrp: | you wont be, so long as you dont stray from that comment |
| [16:59:22] | wagnerrp: | i promise |
| [17:00:37] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [17:00:39] | Beirdo: | nice comment |
| [17:00:44] | gbee: | anyone know what time the ubuntu 0.22-fixes builds are done? |
| [17:00:46] | wagnerrp: | told you |
| [17:01:26] | Beirdo: | I shot the sheriff... Marley version >> Clapton remake |
| [17:01:28] | clever: | wagnerrp: http://hackaday.com/2010/04/01/how-to-make-a- . . . sover-cable/ |
| [17:01:42] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like a singularly bad idea |
| [17:01:48] | Beirdo: | gbee: sorry, not me |
| [17:02:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: half the comments are saying just that |
| [17:03:19] | clever: | the other half are pointing out to just turn the damn breakers off first, and the 3rd half actualy explain why its bad in detail |
| [17:04:09] | Beirdo: | and 99% just skip it in the first place |
| [17:05:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if youre spending a couple grand on a nice generator, spend the time to properly hook it into your breaker box |
| [17:05:31] | wagnerrp: | with some sort of switch to ensure the generator will never touch the mains |
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| [17:06:31] | clever: | yeah |
| [17:06:46] | bjd: | transfer switch :) |
| [17:07:03] | clever: | but one comment mentions how his apartment got cut off early, and he used the same idea to borrow power from the hallway socket as he moved out |
| [17:07:15] | clever: | thats a case where your not needing it long term and dont have a generator |
| [17:07:29] | Beirdo: | !trout clever dumb idea |
| [17:07:29] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a dumb idea trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [17:07:37] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:09:57] | clever: | none of them seem to be reading the comments and are just reposting the same things |
| [17:10:48] | Beirdo: | definitely another bastion of idiocy. I'll add them to my plonk list. |
| [17:11:34] | clever: | the ideas are generaly good |
| [17:11:49] | clever: | Beirdo: like http://hackaday.com/2010/03/31/what-input-dev . . . se-your-arm/ |
| [17:11:58] | Beirdo: | as a general rule, I want my IQ to increase or stay steady... unless I'm lowering it with the use of alcohol |
| [17:12:10] | j-rod: | so I was reminded why I never bothered to try calling soundgraph |
| [17:12:20] | j-rod: | all the phone numbers they provider are in korea |
| [17:12:26] | Beirdo: | I don't need idiotic sites like hackaday or slashdot... |
| [17:12:33] | Beirdo: | j-rod: that sucks |
| [17:12:44] | j-rod: | and their web site is chok full of engrish |
| [17:12:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:13:12] | j-rod: | found out something interesting w/the 0xffdc devices though |
| [17:13:22] | Beirdo: | not japlish in htis case as it's Korean |
| [17:13:25] | j-rod: | they don't support changing ir protocols, its hard-coded in their firmware |
| [17:13:53] | j-rod: | switchable support is only in the latest hardware |
| [17:13:59] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [17:14:11] | j-rod: | I might finally be on to how to tell one ffdc from another though |
| [17:14:17] | Beirdo: | oh cool |
| [17:14:28] | Beirdo: | firmware rev? |
| [17:15:07] | j-rod: | a random field inside one of the usb config descriptors |
| [17:15:22] | j-rod: | (which I believe is populated by the firmware) |
| [17:15:24] | Beirdo: | BTW, Gwenole got back to me pretty quickly on my VA-API questions. thought you might be interested for some reason |
| [17:15:51] | iamlindoro: | Ask him when he'll have his MythTV patches ready ;) |
| [17:16:02] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [17:16:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:16:16] | iamlindoro: | He's actually online right now, just idle |
| [17:16:18] | iamlindoro: | he rarely says anything |
| [17:16:20] | Beirdo: | is that who was planning on doing it? |
| [17:16:25] | iamlindoro: | nah |
| [17:16:32] | j-rod: | I'd love it if there were hardware accel support for ati hardware |
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| [17:16:39] | j-rod: | if only because I have this shuttle cube w/agp |
| [17:16:50] | Beirdo: | j-rod: there is for the HD ones |
| [17:16:50] | j-rod: | and you can actually buy a recentish ati card in agp format |
| [17:17:05] | j-rod: | Beirdo: …in mythtv :) |
| [17:17:10] | Beirdo: | in the latest version of vaapi, anyways |
| [17:17:12] | Beirdo: | right |
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| [17:17:38] | Beirdo: | well, as I've said before... vaapi in myth is on my todo list, and on a few other people's radar too. |
| [17:17:41] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [17:17:43] | j-rod: | I *almost* bought a pci 9500GT last night |
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| [17:17:57] | Beirdo: | just how to intertwine with OpenGL, VDPAU, etc... |
| [17:17:58] | j-rod: | but that feels criminal |
| [17:18:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:18:33] | wagnerrp: | 4350 AGP on newegg for $55 |
| [17:18:42] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/285245.html |
| [17:18:43] | j-rod: | exactly |
| [17:18:51] | iamlindoro: | God, does he have to be so insufferable even when he gets his way? |
| [17:18:56] | iamlindoro: | "at least" |
| [17:18:57] | Beirdo: | so AFTER I'm a seattlite... I'll have more time/energy not spent on moving, etc |
| [17:19:04] | wagnerrp: | although apparently AMD has enabled support for the older 3-series, and some of the 2-series in more recent driver revisions |
| [17:20:08] | GreyFoxx: | Beird: moving out of PR? |
| [17:20:10] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yeah well... |
| [17:20:23] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: yup. new job in Seattle starting Apr 19. |
| [17:20:34] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh fun |
| [17:20:34] | Beirdo: | last day here at this job... Apr 6. |
| [17:20:46] | Beirdo: | moving alone... not quite so fun... but whatever |
| [17:21:02] | GreyFoxx: | Wife not coming? Or is that a topic to avoid ? |
| [17:21:28] | Beirdo: | she's staying here... and will be the ex-wife... her doing. |
| [17:21:36] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [17:21:39] | GreyFoxx: | ahhhh :/ |
| [17:21:51] | Beirdo: | sucky, but I'm moving on |
| [17:22:01] | GreyFoxx: | I understand |
| [17:22:38] | Beirdo: | anyways, I like Seattle... and got good friends there :) |
| [17:22:48] | j-rod: | http://wilsonet.com/jarod/junk/imon-knob-init.html |
| [17:23:07] | Beirdo: | hehe. |
| [17:23:13] | Beirdo: | that just makes me laugh. |
| [17:23:17] | Beirdo: | /junk/ |
| [17:23:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:23:23] | j-rod: | notice the stream of ff ff ff ff ff ff 21 ff |
| [17:23:30] | j-rod: | you get that ALL THE TIME |
| [17:23:41] | GreyFoxx: | Beird: And you can order your groceries from Amazon :) |
| [17:23:45] | j-rod: | several hundred a second |
| [17:23:53] | j-rod: | those older devices are such crap |
| [17:24:03] | j-rod: | its amazing they actually work |
| [17:24:03] | Beirdo: | j-rod... you pissed off UTC. |
| [17:24:04] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:24:07] | wagnerrp: | man... someone must have run over a skunk on the street |
| [17:24:12] | wagnerrp: | something smells awful |
| [17:24:23] | Beirdo: | wilsonet.com is on their "Social Networking and Personal Sites" list |
| [17:24:50] | j-rod: | awesomeness |
| [17:24:51] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: and finally free of Liberty :) |
| [17:25:06] | Beirdo: | j-rod: ah well. I don't care after Tuesday :) |
| [17:25:31] | Beirdo: | not quite down to counting hours, but pretty close |
| [17:25:42] | j-rod: | long story short, their windows driver figures out the device capabilities from just 3 get descriptor calls |
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| [17:26:55] | Beirdo: | ahh, so you just need to see the differences on those 3 responses, I guess |
| [17:27:38] | wagnerrp: | is this the record for longest running thread? |
| [17:28:09] | Beirdo: | couldn't say :) |
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| [17:28:25] | j-rod: | Beirdo: just the 3rd one, I think. The other two are entirely common usb setup stuff. |
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| [17:28:46] | Beirdo: | j-rod: does make it a bit simpler, I guess |
| [17:29:09] | j-rod: | the 3rd has a chunk that usblyzer says is an "unrecognized class-specific descriptor" |
| [17:29:24] | j-rod: | pretty sure that's where they're describing the device features |
| [17:29:27] | Beirdo: | there ya go |
| [17:29:48] | Beirdo: | yup. a call to Korea and some painful Engrish, and you might know for sure :) |
| [17:30:37] | j-rod: | easier to just figure it out on my own, I think |
| [17:30:55] | Beirdo: | I'd bet you are right there |
| [17:30:57] | j-rod: | I'm guessing they wouldn't be willing to answer anyway |
| [17:31:14] | Beirdo: | "no speek Engrish, sorry" |
| [17:31:39] | Beirdo: | people like to play dumb |
| [17:31:47] | Beirdo: | even if it means a lot more sales.. |
| [17:32:54] | j-rod: | should be able to figure out the "has a display" bit tonight by comparing the imon knob to an imon vfd |
| [17:33:04] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, I actually feel like coding on that IR box project :) |
| [17:33:07] | j-rod: | will need assistance to determine imon ir proto vs. mce ir proto |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | or making some schematics |
| [17:34:03] | Beirdo: | or something |
| [17:35:09] | Beirdo: | I guess I should finally decide on how I want to implement the USB part for maximum driver usability.... |
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| [17:35:23] | Beirdo: | FTDI FIFO is high on that list |
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| [17:36:11] | Beirdo: | just gotta find out how they implement the device-id multiplexing in the drivers, I guess |
| [17:36:24] | Beirdo: | I might do FTDI UART though |
| [17:37:18] | Beirdo: | as long as I can do custom stuff easily, and it won't always just be /dev/ttySx indistinguishable from other FTDI UARTs |
| [17:37:34] | gbee: | Beirdo: sorry to hear that, it sounds painful |
| [17:37:50] | Beirdo: | gbee: yeah, it is, but I'll live. |
| [17:38:54] | clever: | Beirdo: udev should be able to identify that usb id, and rename them |
| [17:38:57] | bjd: | i wonder if i can be bothered trying to get spdif to work this weekend |
| [17:39:06] | Beirdo: | ahhh, I can get my own PID from FTDI in their VID |
| [17:39:20] | Beirdo: | clever: it's not that simple |
| [17:39:21] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: or program a serial number in it? |
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| [17:39:30] | gbee: | now that just sounds dirty |
| [17:39:50] | clever: | bbl |
| [17:39:51] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: that's the other way, but I'd have to do it in a way that others do, etc |
| [17:40:11] | Beirdo: | getting a custom PID is ideal... and free from FTDI :) |
| [17:40:17] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: oh, you're planning on mass production? |
| [17:40:32] | Beirdo: | I'm planning on being able to, yes |
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| [17:41:10] | AndyCap: | please have unique serial numbers in them as well. :P |
| [17:41:14] | jolaren: | do i need to restart the mythbackend for a mythfilldatabase to apply to the tv? |
| [17:41:18] | Beirdo: | and Atmel are idiots and have no PID sharing in place, unlike Microchip |
| [17:41:21] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [17:41:25] | Beirdo: | but I want AVR, not PIC |
| [17:41:32] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: yes, for sure |
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| [17:42:07] | Beirdo: | and I don't care about Windows. |
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| [17:45:09] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: nice. the chips are shipped preprogrammed with unique USB serial # |
| [17:46:36] | AndyCap: | ah, I confused them with prolific, which didn't have one |
| [17:46:57] | Beirdo: | considering the FT245R right now |
| [17:46:58] | AndyCap: | or my converters are built by the ghost shift. |
| [17:48:21] | Beirdo: | or maybe FT232R |
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| [17:58:49] | skd5aner: | hehe, oops! – http://consumerist.com/2010/03/video-time-war . . . hannels.html |
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| [18:00:30] | Beirdo: | dangit. and we didn't get that in the schedule beforehand!? |
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| [18:05:45] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [18:05:46] | iamlindoro: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/dharma-alar . . . harmaClock_5 |
| [18:05:55] | iamlindoro: | Do want! Even though it doesn't exist! |
| [18:07:10] | iamlindoro: | and for kormoc: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/my-first-ba . . . FirstBacon_4 |
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| [18:08:21] | Beirdo: | bacon!@? |
| [18:08:23] | Beirdo: | mmm |
| [18:08:37] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: ha! I'd so buy that for xris' kid :P |
| [18:08:46] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:08:56] | iamlindoro: | Neither outdoes the TaunTaun sleeping bag, but still good |
| [18:09:45] | Beirdo: | kormoc: ooooh, I like |
| [18:09:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:10:45] | Beirdo: | we are evil, aren't we? |
| [18:11:26] | kormoc: | just a little |
| [18:11:31] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I love all the 4/1 "product" stuff |
| [18:11:32] | iamlindoro: | http://endangeredspeciescondoms.com/ |
| [18:15:15] | iamlindoro: | ^ That's how you avoid having to buy Bacon stuffed animals) |
| [18:15:24] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [18:22:29] | tmkt: | the in-n-out opening in NY was the sadest |
| [18:27:54] | brianmunk: | hi, can mythtv recive a udp multicast stream (H.264) from an ip and record it+ broadcast it to the frontend? |
| [18:29:28] | brianmunk: | Im asking cause I spend a week trying to get it working but I seem to be getting stuck, and if anyone had a few pointer is would be nice |
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| [18:36:33] | gbee: | well the latter part yes, the first bit depends on the iptv recorder and I've not got a clue how that is setup |
| [18:37:39] | iamlindoro: | note that the backend doesn't broadcast or multicast anything, but rather unicasts streams |
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| [18:41:03] | brianmunk: | I ran the mythtv-setup and got the channels in the channels list via an m3u list (where the ip's work in vlc player). when I start the frontend->watch tv, I get an info screen thats says it unable to fetch/catch the signal |
| [18:42:01] | brianmunk: | it gives me the channel name tho, and the blue/red bar in the bottom of the screen |
| [18:43:30] | brianmunk: | so basicly I was mostly wondering if the backend can do it, and if I can see in the database if the m3u is correctly imported, (see the ipadresses in the sql) |
| [18:44:08] | Beirdo: | so... would you guys be happy if I choose a DIP package for the stupid processor? :) hehe |
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| [19:08:39] | gsteinert: | evening all =) |
| [19:09:19] | gsteinert: | im having trouble with EIT data from DVB-S (Freesat on Astra 28E) |
| [19:09:46] | gsteinert: | googling has turned up nothing shich suggests to e=me that it should (in theory) be working, but i get no data at all |
| [19:11:05] | gsteinert: | i have my video source set up to use EIT data and the active EIT scan option on |
| [19:11:23] | gsteinert: | any ideas on something i could have missed? |
| [19:12:01] | gsteinert: | EIT was working properly with DVB-T before i changed to satellite but i nuked the db in the upgrade process so I may have missed something |
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| [19:20:37] | iamlindoro: | haha... "What's orange and looks good on Somali pirates?" |
| [19:20:40] | iamlindoro: | Fire. |
| [19:21:19] | ** dustybin doesnt find that funny ** | |
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| [19:21:39] | Beirdo: | you probably would if you got hijacked by Somali pirates |
| [19:21:42] | wagnerrp: | would you prefer snipers at long distance? |
| [19:22:44] | dustybin: | erm no.. |
| [19:23:11] | Beirdo: | well, stay away from Somalia then... and nearby waterways |
| [19:24:09] | iamlindoro: | My work has a poster up that says "The Marines: Because sometimes you need to need to take out a pirate off the fantail of a destroyer at 2000 yards, in the dead of night." |
| [19:24:21] | iamlindoro: | "On Easter." |
| [19:24:58] | Beirdo: | I'm not getting near that one |
| [19:25:25] | Beirdo: | my thoughts on the matter are not conducive to "Play Nice" :) |
| [19:26:33] | Dibblah: | Heh. The new PVR box I just took delivery of runs Linux. And the open source disclosure tar contains init scripts. Hmmmmm. |
| [19:26:38] | Beirdo: | let's just say... "Support American Foreign Policy" is not high on my list :) |
| [19:26:53] | Beirdo: | Dibblah: now that's cool |
| [19:27:08] | Beirdo: | does it contain mythtv source? |
| [19:27:10] | Dibblah: | I get the feeling it's an oversight. |
| [19:27:19] | Dibblah: | Yes, sorry, OT :( |
| [19:27:25] | Beirdo: | that's OK |
| [19:27:39] | Beirdo: | we are not really supporting anyone right now that I can see :) |
| [19:27:48] | Dibblah: | Seems to use ext3. Not encrypted, not obfuscated, nothing. |
| [19:27:48] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: got nothing to do with foreign policy, and everything to do with the requirement to protect US citizens on international waters |
| [19:28:03] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, in THAT case :0 |
| [19:28:16] | Beirdo: | thankfully :) |
| [19:28:31] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: ho-hum, how is that not foreign policy? :P |
| [19:28:52] | wagnerrp: | because its international waters, no foreign country owns claim to it |
| [19:28:52] | Beirdo: | because it's not against a foreign government |
| [19:28:58] | Beirdo: | it's against outlaws |
| [19:29:27] | Dibblah: | Hmm. They're also not as far as I understand complying with the GPL. |
| [19:29:38] | Beirdo: | Dibblah: now that's not good |
| [19:29:51] | Dibblah: | They have kernel modules for hardware that isn't in the sources they provide. |
| [19:29:58] | wagnerrp: | intentionally? or by some oversight |
| [19:30:14] | Beirdo: | Dibblah: perhaps those modules aren't open-source? |
| [19:30:20] | Dibblah: | Semi-intentionally, at a guess. |
| [19:30:33] | Dibblah: | It's a matrix switch driver – video switch thing. |
| [19:30:37] | skd5aner: | Needless to say, it's not like the US is the only Navy patrolling those seas for the same reason. I can recall similiar stories involving Indian, French, Russian, Chinese, and other navies and armed forces |
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| [19:31:05] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: yeah, piracy is an international problem. |
| [19:31:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: isnt that why nvidia has to have its middleware to go between the kernel and their drivers? |
| [19:31:17] | AndyCap: | It's still foreign policy, just a popular one. :) |
| [19:31:21] | Beirdo: | and that's REAL piracy, not stealing-the-signal piracy |
| [19:31:21] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [19:31:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not sure, but pretty much, I think |
| [19:31:44] | skd5aner: | The amazing thing to me is how far off the coast these pirates will operate, hundreds, sometimes a thousand miles out to sea |
| [19:31:59] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe that |
| [19:32:00] | Dibblah: | And people think they want robot boats. Heh. |
| [19:32:11] | wagnerrp: | they dont have the ships to operate out that far |
| [19:32:13] | AndyCap: | skd5aner: you could sometimes get off the coast with triremes in civilization too. :P |
| [19:32:43] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: yeah, and get sunk by my warships :) |
| [19:32:49] | wagnerrp: | theyve got little fast attack ships, few hundred miles worth of fuel at the most |
| [19:32:50] | AndyCap: | they've made a fair mint with their pirating ways, and can probably afford or hijack some support craft |
| [19:33:11] | wagnerrp: | they dont WANT support craft |
| [19:33:19] | wagnerrp: | support craft makes them a highly visible target |
| [19:33:25] | Beirdo: | well, it depends on where they are too |
| [19:33:44] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: if it looks like a support craft, sure. |
| [19:33:45] | wagnerrp: | one likely to get bombed, shelled, torpedoed, or struck by cruise missile |
| [19:33:56] | skd5aner: | I thought the news reported that they did use support "mother" ships to launch from as well? |
| [19:34:01] | Beirdo: | near Singapore, there's a bad Strait (whose name I forget) where piracy is rampant |
| [19:34:11] | Beirdo: | and near Hong Kong too |
| [19:34:11] | skd5aner: | and, most of them are stolen vessels |
| [19:34:17] | AndyCap: | malakka |
| [19:34:24] | Beirdo: | that sounds right |
| [19:34:36] | AndyCap: | or Malacca I guess. |
| [19:34:41] | Beirdo: | they don't need to be far from land |
| [19:34:48] | Beirdo: | get in, pillage, get out |
| [19:35:03] | Beirdo: | but in other areas, they do it farther from land, I guess |
| [19:35:34] | Beirdo: | glad I'm not in the ship business :) |
| [19:36:53] | skd5aner: | Wagnerrp: Just last week, somali pirates hijacked a vessle 1000 miles off the coast in the Indian Ocean – http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018186784 |
| [19:37:02] | ** Beirdo should go read some more books... Clive Cussler has some good ones on the subject ** | |
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| [19:37:24] | skd5aner: | " |
| [19:37:24] | skd5aner: | The hijacking took place approximately 1,000 nautical miles east of the northern coast of Somalia. This position is closer to India than Somalia and is approximately 400 nautical miles outside the normal EU NAVFOR operation area |
| [19:37:24] | skd5aner: | Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018186784#ixzz0jsYyjDbg |
| [19:37:42] | skd5aner: | oops, copy and paste mistage there – sorry |
| [19:37:46] | skd5aner: | mistake |
| [19:37:53] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: ship happens. |
| [19:38:13] | Beirdo: | they were outside the recommended corridor |
| [19:38:25] | Beirdo: | note... saving fuel may lose you cardo/life |
| [19:38:27] | Beirdo: | cargo |
| [19:39:03] | Kunalagon1: | hello, what is the keyboard shortcut for changing channels? I tried UP/DOWN arrow, but it just show me which is next/previous channel, and it does not change, I have to press ENTER key to change. |
| [19:39:19] | AndyCap: | Ah, countryman and mcdaniel has written a presentation too. nice. http://cargolaw.com/presentations_pirates.html |
| [19:39:26] | skd5aner: | yea – I was just trying to find a recent news story – Wagnerrp didn't believe the pirates operated that far off the coast |
| [19:39:46] | Beirdo: | Kunalagon1: ummm, up arrow, enter |
| [19:39:56] | Beirdo: | just a guess |
| [19:40:02] | Kunalagon1: | Beirdo: to complicated :) |
| [19:40:05] | Kunalagon1: | to slow |
| [19:40:22] | skd5aner: | The British couple, who were taken hostage on their yacht were 1000 miles off the coast too |
| [19:41:19] | skd5aner: | "Retired engineer Mr Chandler, 58, and his 55-year-old wife, a former civil servant, were 950 miles off the Somali coast as they sailed from the Seychelles to Tanzania." |
| [19:41:19] | Beirdo: | arm cannons! |
| [19:41:22] | Beirdo: | FIRE! |
| [19:41:25] | gbee: | Kunalagon1: faster than flipping one channel at a time, the browse mode lets you see what's on so you don't have to change to the channel unless it's something you want to see |
| [19:41:28] | skd5aner: | of course – there could be support islands and stuff round as well |
| [19:42:00] | Kunalagon1: | hmmm... gbee ... browser mode...I have to try that |
| [19:42:36] | gbee: | Kunalagon1: or press S to bring up the guide then change the channel from there, or enter the channel number + enter |
| [19:42:55] | Kunalagon1: | I'll check all of those |
| [19:44:34] | Kunalagon1: | I cant find how to enter Browse Mode, I found it is a O key, but it wont |
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| [19:46:24] | trumee: | anybody come across joggler from O2? |
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| [19:46:55] | Kunalagon1: | oh, I found |
| [19:47:06] | wagnerrp: | does england still have analog broadcasts? |
| [19:47:06] | trumee: | it is based on intel atom. was wondering whether it can play mythtv SD content |
| [19:47:41] | wagnerrp: | an atom should be able to play any SD mpeg2 |
| [19:47:52] | wagnerrp: | but it might struggle on SD h264, depending on the bitrate |
| [19:48:49] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: apparently, some regions still do broadcast in analog and have not switched over yet. Apparently, it is scheduled to last until 2012: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch |
| [19:49:15] | wagnerrp: | huh, for some reason i thought they had switched before we did |
| [19:49:36] | gbee: | wagnerrp: analog and digital are being broadcast side by side in more than half the country, just 4–5 channels |
| [19:50:01] | gbee: | wagnerrp: we started the switch long before you, but it's been a drawn out transition |
| [19:50:16] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yeah, they started shutting down the analogue stations last week IIRC. |
| [19:50:18] | gbee: | we've had digital transmissions for something like 10+ years |
| [19:50:40] | dustybin: | gbee: do you use any PCI-E tv cards? |
| [19:50:44] | gbee: | Cap_J_L_Picard: they started two years ago |
| [19:50:50] | gbee: | dustybin: no |
| [19:50:56] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [19:51:13] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | gbee: they started warning and preparing for it, upgrading the stations and such |
| [19:51:22] | trumee: | wagnerrp: what about 1200 kbps bit rate. |
| [19:51:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the first ones they actually totally turned off were last week... |
| [19:51:37] | wagnerrp: | atom should do fine with something that low |
| [19:51:47] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | remember they use them for radio too... |
| [19:51:53] | trumee: | wagnerrp: cool. |
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| [19:52:02] | wagnerrp: | youll probably start running into problems with single sliced content at ~3–4mbps |
| [19:52:22] | Kunalagon1: | hm....and can sombody tell me how to start recording some channel? |
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| [19:52:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Kunalagon1: just watch it? |
| [19:52:51] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Kunalagon1: it records to disc, then you watch the playback. |
| [19:53:10] | Beirdo: | Kunalagon1: is it just me, or are you trying to use us as an alternative to reading documentation? |
| [19:53:13] | Kunalagon1: | Cap_J_L_Picard: I am watching now, and want to record something |
| [19:53:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | just take it off autoexpire if you want to keep it. |
| [19:53:21] | gbee: | wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Digital – 1998 apparently, it was the failure of the commercial attempt that caused the government to step in and re-brand it as Freeview, removing the pay model and setting deadlines for nationwide transition |
| [19:53:26] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Kunalagon1: it's recording it then... |
| [19:53:46] | Kunalagon1: | Beirdo: I am reading here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
| [19:53:58] | Kunalagon1: | not found any key for recording |
| [19:54:03] | gbee: | originally it had been hoped that solely commercial factors would drive uptake to 100% thus avoiding government intervention and taxpayer money being spent |
| [19:54:43] | gbee: | Cap_J_L_Picard: no, they turned off the analogue signal completely 2 years ago in 3 or 4 areas |
| [19:54:44] | highzeth: | Kunalagon: if you watch it, its being recorded |
| [19:54:55] | Beirdo: | gbee: if commercial entities did it, taxpayer money still gets spent... it just doesn't go to the government, it goes to the commercial entity. |
| [19:55:11] | gbee: | Beirdo: heh |
| [19:55:16] | Beirdo: | you ain't gonna get squat for free |
| [19:55:51] | Kunalagon1: | highzeth: hm...but I dont want to record all the time, I dont have eternal hard drive. I just want to record when I want, like with old VCRs |
| [19:56:26] | Beirdo: | Kunalagon1: if you are watching "Live TV" through MythTV, you are recording. |
| [19:56:29] | Beirdo: | period |
| [19:56:30] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Kunalagon1: it has to record all the time to support pausing playback... |
| [19:56:33] | ** highzeth runs into a wall, head first ** | |
| [19:56:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Kunalagon1: it auto deletes the files though. |
| [19:56:58] | Beirdo: | if you don't want to be recording, don't use mythtv :) |
| [19:57:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | if you want to keep something you need to tell it not to delete the files... |
| [19:57:09] | Beirdo: | it's a core design choice in the software |
| [19:57:15] | Kunalagon1: | Cap_J_L_Picard: and is there anyway to set maximum file size, or maximum recording time, etc. etc? |
| [19:57:52] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Kunalagon1: you can adjust the default time it keeps something for... |
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| [20:01:04] | gbee: | Cap_J_L_Picard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestr . . . om#History_2 << Whitehaven lost analogue in 2007, The borders region in 2008 etc The areas in green on the map have now completed the transition, i.e. no more analogue |
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| [20:09:37] | TJM: | About to setup mythtv for the first time.. I have some questions about sound output to the tv...do use a standard 3.5mm to RCA converter connected to your soundcard? |
| [20:10:09] | wagnerrp: | you dont need a 'converter', you just need an 'adapter' |
| [20:10:21] | wagnerrp: | theyre the same exact signal, you just need to switch between types of plugs |
| [20:11:03] | TJM: | ah |
| [20:11:06] | TJM: | radioshack visit? |
| [20:11:13] | devinheitmueller: | TJM: yeah, they have them. |
| [20:11:34] | wagnerrp: | if you dont already have such an adapter |
| [20:11:41] | devinheitmueller: | One thing you have to watch out for though is sometimes the ones at radio shack have both a left and right input, but the 3.5mm jack is mono. |
| [20:11:51] | TJM: | ahh |
| [20:11:51] | wagnerrp: | even at radio shack prices, it shouldnt be much more than a couple bucks |
| [20:12:07] | devinheitmueller: | So you lose the stereo sound (this actually happened to me the last time I picked one of these up at Radio Shack) |
| [20:12:24] | TJM: | how does myth work with cable boxes like comcast's digital box? |
| [20:12:33] | devinheitmueller: | You have to look closely at the 3.5mm connector and make sure it has three conductors and not two. |
| [20:12:40] | wagnerrp: | myth records over analog capture, preferably svideo |
| [20:12:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: possibly over firewire as an option? |
| [20:13:00] | wagnerrp: | and then either uses serial, firewire, or IR to control the box, depending on its capabilities |
| [20:13:16] | wagnerrp: | firewire may work, but dont count on it |
| [20:13:27] | wagnerrp: | considering its basically free to try, its worth at least testing |
| [20:13:30] | Beirdo: | yeah. analog will always work |
| [20:13:52] | TJM: | so it's probably best to just bypass the box? |
| [20:13:57] | devinheitmueller: | ... and if you want HD support, you need to get an HD-PVR though as opposed to a traditional analog capture device. |
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| [20:14:28] | wagnerrp: | you can try to bypass the box, and access digital cable yourself |
| [20:14:34] | wagnerrp: | but most of it will be encrypted |
| [20:14:36] | devinheitmueller: | Bypassing the box isn't really practical, since more and more of the digital signals are encrypted. |
| [20:14:44] | wagnerrp: | check silicondust for a lineup of what will be unencrypted in your area |
| [20:14:54] | TJM: | geez i dont even remember what hauppage card i got..it's been a few years... |
| [20:14:56] | Beirdo: | cool while it works, but likely to not work for long |
| [20:15:14] | devinheitmueller: | TJM: Well, if it's a few years old then it definitely won't capture HD video. |
| [20:15:49] | devinheitmueller: | (which may or may not be important to you, depending on your needs) |
| [20:16:37] | TJM: | May be a personal opinion but i think most HD tv is a scam... High Definition movies is one thing...but most sat/cable companies are scam artists |
| [20:17:52] | devinheitmueller: | TJM: it varies of course by the show and the cable company, but I can say that there are plenty of cases in my experience where the HD TV looks much better, especially on a 42" TV. |
| [20:18:35] | gbee: | TJM: scam might be overstating it IMHO, overrated yes, the only content I really care about seeing in HD are wildlife documentaries which can look stunning vs their SD versions, but sport/drama I really don't see the point |
| [20:19:09] | TJM: | hm |
| [20:20:10] | TJM: | well thanks for the info.. i will have to put together a shopping list |
| [20:21:06] | gbee: | and of course there is broadcast HD in one country, vs another, or one broadcaster vs another ... e.g. BBC HD quality in the UK is excellent, Sky HD quality is rubbish, some of the samples I've seen coming from the US are worse even than Sky :) |
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| [20:22:41] | Dibblah: | <facepalm>. Software defined HDCP keys should not be logged in log files. |
| [20:22:54] | devinheitmueller: | Of course gbee is correct. Also, HD content downscaled to 480i looks *MUCH* better than legacy broadcast content converted to 480i. |
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| [20:23:14] | devinheitmueller: | Dibblah: I actually have absolutely no problem with that. ;-) |
| [20:23:31] | TJM: | there wouldn't happen to be a recommended 'hardware' list of potential cables and such for operational usage anywhere on the wiki site would there? it might not be a bad idea for wiki maintainers to throw something together... for use as a regular function dvr |
| [20:24:40] | devinheitmueller: | TJM: The problem is that because MythTV is used all over the world, with all different types of capture mechanisms (ATSC/QAM/DVB-T/DVB-C/DVB-S/ISDB, etc), the ideal setup varies incredibly depending on where you are located. |
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| [20:25:37] | devinheitmueller: | In other words, the definition of "regular function dvr" is very different if you are trying to DVR analog cable TV in the United States versus digital satellite broadcasts in Europe. |
| [20:25:59] | TJM: | ah |
| [20:27:19] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it seems joggler needs to use intel IEGD drivers. would that be ok for mythtv? |
| [20:28:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | HDTV is a scam because the SD stuff crappier than it needed to be. They are selling you an improved service to make up for how badly they were doing before. If you can get a channel OTA it will probably look considerably better than it's cable version. |
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| [20:29:29] | kormoc: | oh lord |
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| [20:29:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | digital allows for all sorts of shenanigans. |
| [20:31:07] | AndyCap: | well,there was some advantage to having a channel occupy a fixed amount of bandwidth/spectrum. |
| [20:31:13] | gbee: | customers who are blind or unwilling to complain allows for shenanigans ;) |
| [20:32:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | too true g. |
| [20:32:45] | gbee: | someone subscribed to the -users list will have to let me know if the mem leak fix I committed earlier does anything at all for Udo |
| [20:32:49] | trumee: | anybody heard about O2 joggler? |
| [20:36:24] | iamlindoro: | I find I need a lot more O2 when I'm joggling |
| [20:36:25] | jolaren: | Now I've spent almost ten hours trying to get xmltv to work ; |
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| [20:37:18] | TJM: | power up my old linux box im gonna use...forgetting to plugin my keyboard...nothing like a "Keyboard not present error, Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter setup." I love AwardBIOS :p |
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| [20:41:46] | natanojl: | jolaren: what's not working? |
| [20:42:36] | jolaren: | 2sek pastebin |
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| [20:44:10] | jolaren: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/407742/ |
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| [20:47:31] | highzeth: | you havent configured tv_grab_swedb right |
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| [20:47:52] | Digital_Pioneer_: | http://pastebin.com/ha3EV51Y <-- CLI output from mythfrontend, if I go to Media Library->Watch Videos |
| [20:48:07] | Digital_Pioneer_: | As you can see, it crashes on a segfault. Any ideas why? |
| [20:48:08] | natanojl: | Not sure really. Whats in /home/joel/.mythtv/.xmltv? |
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| [20:50:50] | j-rod: | anyone with an imon around that can give me some data back from 'lsusb -d 0x15c2: -vvv' ? |
| [20:51:05] | j-rod: | particularly 0xffdc devices |
| [20:51:18] | natanojl: | j-rod: Will try |
| [20:51:35] | j-rod: | specifically, the "** UNRECOGNIZED" line |
| [20:53:09] | natanojl: | ** UNRECOGNIZED: 09 21 00 01 00 01 22 25 00 |
| [20:53:11] | natanojl: | http://pastebin.com/tu8ssC09 |
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| [20:54:14] | j-rod: | natanojl: which device is that from? |
| [20:54:33] | j-rod: | i.e., does it have a display, what ir protocol |
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| [20:55:39] | j-rod: | I have my fingers crossed its just a receiver w/no display, using the imon ir proto |
| [20:55:42] | natanojl: | It's one with VFD and an Imon remote |
| [20:55:46] | gbee: | Digital_Pioneer_: which distro? The version of 0.22 you are using is over 6 months old |
| [20:55:54] | natanojl: | :( |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | natanojl: damn. :\ |
| [20:56:28] | Digital_Pioneer_: | gbee: Mythbuntu, I believe. |
| [20:56:59] | Digital_Pioneer_: | Can't say I've updated it that recently though. |
| [20:57:03] | j-rod: | its 100% identical to what I get off an ffdc device w/o a display |
| [20:57:11] | j-rod: | dear soundgraph: I hate you. |
| [20:57:37] | gbee: | Digital_Pioneer_: I'd start by updating to the latest version of 0.22, ask for directions in #mythbuntu |
| [20:58:15] | gbee: | if it still crashes after that then mention it there and they will walk you through submitting a bug report so it can be fixed |
| [20:58:19] | Digital_Pioneer_: | gbee: Doesthat mean self-compiling? |
| [20:58:43] | Digital_Pioneer_: | I'm not afraid to do so, but I'd rather not if I don't have to. :P |
| [20:59:12] | gbee: | no, it won't, they have a repo you can enable to get more recent packages |
| [20:59:35] | Digital_Pioneer_: | PPA then? |
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| [21:00:02] | jolaren: | natanojl, alot of channel listing is in /home/joel/.mythtv/.xmltv |
| [21:00:25] | gbee: | possibly, not an ubuntu user so I'm not really familiar with the setup |
| [21:00:34] | Digital_Pioneer_: | OK. :) |
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| [21:05:30] | natanojl: | jolaren: Have you set the XMLTV ID for each channel? |
| [21:06:03] | jolaren: | How do you mean? |
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| [21:07:54] | highzeth: | jolaren: not only that, you are using wrong XMLTV ID's when pulling data from swedb, as the log you pasted clearly states |
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| [21:08:28] | jolaren: | highzeth, care to elaborate for someone who's not that hyped on xmltv? |
| [21:09:46] | gbee: | jolaren: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID |
| [21:10:15] | gbee: | although that has almost no info on xmltv ... |
| [21:10:36] | jolaren: | I have to provide each channel an ID |
| [21:12:10] | gbee: | jolaren: to map the channels that the xmltv script knows to the ones in your mythtv database |
| [21:14:01] | jolaren: | Is it common to go trho all this hazzle with the xmltv setup? |
| [21:15:20] | highzeth: | jolaren: first run tv_grab_se_swedb --configure (optionally use --config-file output.xmltv), answer yes to the channels you want data from, then look at the xmltv file and set those XMLTV ID's in the right channel |
| [21:16:22] | jolaren: | answering ALL is out of the question? |
| [21:17:18] | highzeth: | if you want alot of garbage pulled & stored, by all means. This is job you do ones on initial setup, and if you should change/get more channels in the future |
| [21:17:29] | kormoc: | jolaren: if it wasn't required, it wouldn't ask... |
| [21:17:32] | gbee: | jolaren: it's a bad idea if you don't intend on watching/recording all of those channels, it wastes bandwidth on the source server, processing time on your machine etc |
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| [21:18:27] | gbee: | xmltv parsing is slow enough without feeding it more channels than you need to, and scheduling ... |
| [21:18:37] | jolaren: | Everything look fine when running tv_grab_se_swedb |
| [21:18:44] | jolaren: | looks' |
| [21:20:24] | highzeth: | from your prev log snip, you seem to have messed around with more than one grabber since the XMLTV ID's aint even remotely close to anything swedb uses. |
| [21:27:06] | jolaren: | Been workin with this alot |
| [21:27:07] | jolaren: | so thats possible |
| [21:27:15] | jolaren: | I've configured only the channels I have now |
| [21:27:28] | bjd: | do we know a decke ? |
| [21:27:50] | highzeth: | using default output or specified with --config-file XX? |
| [21:28:01] | kormoc: | bjd, had dinner with him last week. Don't you remember anything?!?! |
| [21:28:03] | jolaren: | defaulted |
| [21:28:20] | bjd: | kormoc: :p |
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| [21:29:18] | highzeth: | then look at it, and use the xmltv id's(whats after the channel=) and add those to the respective channels |
| [21:30:05] | jolaren: | I should do this with all my channels? It's like 50 |
| [21:30:06] | jolaren: | ;/ |
| [21:30:31] | highzeth: | heh, I have 6–7 xmltv sources & 300 channels, go whine to someone who cares ;) |
| [21:31:17] | iamlindoro: | decke is a random FreeBSD porter who has submitted a couple compile fix patches |
| [21:31:35] | Beirdo: | careful which vowel is in there |
| [21:31:45] | bjd: | iamlindoro: yep, does he hang around any irc chans? |
| [21:31:58] | iamlindoro: | he has been in and out of here as recently as yesterday or so |
| [21:31:58] | bjd: | else i'll email him |
| [21:32:00] | iamlindoro: | !seen decke |
| [21:32:00] | MythLogBot: | decke was last seen 1 day 15 minutes 10 seconds ago |
| [21:32:03] | bjd: | ah k |
| [21:32:07] | bjd: | ta |
| [21:32:13] | iamlindoro: | he's probably in #somefreebsdchannel |
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| [21:32:15] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:32:34] | Beirdo: | #freebsd-ftw ? |
| [21:33:04] | wagnerrp: | freebsd has no official channel on freenode |
| [21:33:30] | bjd: | don't think it has an official channel anywhere tbh :) |
| [21:34:32] | Beirdo: | migrtated to oftc, maybe? |
| [21:34:46] | Beirdo: | ok fingers |
| [21:34:53] | Beirdo: | stop acting like I'm drunk |
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| [21:35:50] | Beirdo: | as one thing I'm NOT is drunk |
| [21:35:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:36:23] | highzeth: | working on it, finally allowed to enjoy alcohol again, atleast small amounts =) |
| [21:37:36] | highzeth: | in aml recovery, those drugs aint easy on liver & kidneys |
| [21:37:59] | bjd: | leukemia? |
| [21:37:59] | iamlindoro: | Indeed they are not :( |
| [21:38:27] | iamlindoro: | highzeth: I raise money year-round for our Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, glad you are recovering though |
| [21:38:30] | highzeth: | yeah, got knocked down last july, been living inside hospital since. Got bonemarrow transplant 4th nov. |
| [21:38:46] | bjd: | nasty |
| [21:38:59] | highzeth: | Glad to hear it, Ive been working hard on getting people to atleast give blood. =) |
| [21:39:20] | Beirdo: | highzeth: sorry to hear that, but I'm glad you are on the recovery path. |
| [21:39:26] | highzeth: | I was very lucky, both lil bro & sis was a match. |
| [21:39:58] | highzeth: | Hey, Im alive, compared to 2 of the guys I was admitted with.. well.. I shed a tear when I think of them |
| [21:41:26] | highzeth: | I "closed" my public chapter last night actually, felt it was time to move on.. http://aml.ohhh.no (beware, strong lingo might occur) |
| [21:42:10] | Beirdo: | strong language often occurs in such circumstances. |
| [21:44:11] | highzeth: | yep, that blog was more for me than anyone else really, had to get it out somewhere. I havent been able to read back yet tho, that I need more time to do. =) |
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| [21:45:57] | jolaren: | highzeth, i run the manualfilling but it still pulls information from somewhere else or something |
| [21:46:09] | jolaren: | it says alot of channels not listed (which I dont haev) |
| [21:46:16] | jolaren: | tho I went thro the process and removed channels |
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| [21:47:06] | highzeth: | you have set it to pull from ~/.mythtv/.xmltv .. and your default swedb xmltv ended up where? |
| [21:47:46] | jolaren: | I don't know |
| [21:48:10] | highzeth: | you just looked at that file as a reference to finding the xmltv id you entered in your channel list, no? |
| [21:48:34] | jolaren: | I have not entered the xmltv id yet, i've run the configure command |
| [21:48:41] | jolaren: | and i've unlisted alot of entries |
| [21:49:04] | highzeth: | and you tried to mythfill? what didnt you understand about the order of things? |
| [21:49:12] | jolaren: | yes I have |
| [21:49:15] | jolaren: | and it lists channels |
| [21:49:17] | jolaren: | which I removed |
| [21:49:53] | highzeth: | Im sorry, Im not drunk enough to find compassion for this. Gimme another hour |
| [21:50:33] | highzeth: | while I work on that, you sort out your *right* xmltv id's, mkay? |
| [21:50:44] | bjd: | :D |
| [21:50:46] | jolaren: | will give that a go... |
| [21:50:58] | jolaren: | i'm lackin fate of gettin this rite |
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| [21:51:46] | highzeth: | Ive never used default output when configuring xmltv, I use --config-file, but I'd be surprised if you cant find it under ~/.xmltv |
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| [21:53:33] | jolaren: | well I'm there and from what I can see there's no IDS |
| [21:53:58] | highzeth: | pastebin the output of ls -l ~/.xmltv |
| [21:54:16] | highzeth: | ..and ~/.mythtv while you are at it |
| [21:54:30] | jolaren: | . .. cache supplement tv_grab_se_swedb.conf |
| [21:55:10] | highzeth: | and pastebin the content of tv_grab_se...conf |
| [21:55:21] | jolaren: | and mythtv |
| [21:55:21] | jolaren: | . channels errorlogs.log mysql.txt remotecache themecache |
| [21:55:21] | jolaren: | .. config.xml lircrc osdcache swedb.xmltv .xmltv |
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| [21:56:25] | highzeth: | and swedb.xmltv & .xmltv in ~/.mythtv (yes, Im drinking from the bottle at this point) ;P |
| [21:57:12] | natanojl: | I believe the file is ~/<Video source name>.xmltv, so if it's using ~/.mythtv/.xmltv that would imply that your video source's name is empty. |
| [21:58:35] | highzeth: | would seem so, but just to be sure he aint got no old grunt left |
| [21:59:05] | jolaren: | high-rez, http://paste.ubuntu.com/407770/ |
| [21:59:29] | jolaren: | natanojl, my videosource name is empty |
| [22:03:16] | highzeth: | that more like it =) |
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| [22:04:06] | highzeth: | fyi, if you missed a channel, you change ! to = in that .conf, and run a tv_grab.. round(and add xmltv id to channel(s)) |
| [22:05:06] | highzeth: | now the only thing to change is to set swedb as your xmltv source to the video heh source. I cant help ya there, running my mess manually |
| [22:06:08] | bjd: | i'm a bit of a newbie with mythfront on the desktop – how do i get it so it's not full screen and i can move it about easily? |
| [22:07:38] | jolaren: | high-rez, it's already set like that |
| [22:07:40] | jolaren: | highzeth, |
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| [22:07:49] | highzeth: | jolaren: but first, 50 channels need their right XMLTV ID's added, telly time here g-luck, use my right nick if you wanna get ahold of me |
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| [22:15:02] | jolaren: | aight wont disturb ya |
| [22:15:39] | jolaren: | btw anyone know how to browse the icons for the channels? |
| [22:15:45] | jolaren: | it shows alot of different but i cant browse the |
| [22:15:47] | jolaren: | m |
| [22:16:05] | jolaren: | ive tried space enter left right etc |
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| [22:17:15] | natanojl: | I'm not trying to run away yet :) |
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| [22:18:28] | jolaren: | I have really strange icons on some of my channels now |
| [22:18:28] | jolaren: | heh |
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| [22:20:33] | matmatmat: | hello |
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| [22:21:58] | jolaren: | Somethings severly wrong with me backend.. updated all the channel pics |
| [22:22:01] | jolaren: | but they wont display |
| [22:22:11] | natanojl: | jolaren: I believe they will be downloaded when you run mythfilldatabase, but I'm not sure |
| [22:22:46] | jolaren: | thats run by default directly after exiting the mythtv-setup |
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| [22:28:23] | matmatmat: | i'm using the freebox plugin for iptv. it works, but like every 10th time changing channels makes the frontend crash and also i have to restart the backend before i can watch a channel again |
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| [22:29:54] | natanojl: | jolaren: But mythfilldatabase runs successfully now? Do you have anything in the program guide now? |
| [22:30:38] | jolaren: | natanojl, No.. I'm trying to find where to edit the channel IDS |
| [22:31:21] | natanojl: | It's in the channel editor in mythtv-setup, or in mythweb |
| [22:32:44] | jolaren: | Oh boy.. this will be hard to translate |
| [22:33:00] | jolaren: | I'm direct translating so prepare it might be a bit rouge in the edges |
| [22:33:13] | natanojl: | I understand swedish you know =) |
| [22:33:26] | jolaren: | "Använd utsänd programguide" is ticked |
| [22:33:47] | jolaren: | XMLTV-ID is blank |
| [22:34:38] | natanojl: | "Use on air guide" |
| [22:35:38] | natanojl: | Fill in the XMLTV ID and uncheck the "Use on air guide" checkbox for each channel |
| [22:35:42] | jolaren: | I'd go with "Use broadcasted programguide".. but then again you understand Swedish so I didnt haev to |
| [22:35:51] | jolaren: | And the XMLTV ID is where? |
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| [22:37:08] | natanojl: | plus.tv4.se for example, they are all in your ~/.mythtv/.xmltv file |
| [22:37:32] | jolaren: | oh yeah.. |
| [22:37:42] | jolaren: | so if I'd add tv1000 action i'd just add |
| [22:37:48] | jolaren: | action.tv1000.viasat.se |
| [22:37:53] | jolaren: | and untick the box? |
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| [22:38:30] | natanojl: | yup |
| [22:39:46] | jolaren: | added a few channels now and gonna look if it gives me an output |
| [22:40:14] | jolaren: | Still claims to be unknown |
| [22:40:17] | jolaren: | omfg |
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| [22:43:46] | jolaren: | I'd use EIT scannings but they crash my backend |
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| [22:48:16] | jolaren: | got any ideas natanojl |
| [22:49:06] | natanojl: | no not really :( |
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| [22:53:17] | natanojl: | jolaren: pastebin the output |
| [22:53:44] | natanojl: | There are two Beirdos now? =) |
| [22:54:03] | bjd: | eep, EIT crashes your backend? |
| [22:55:08] | jolaren: | yer |
| [22:55:10] | jolaren: | makes it random crash |
| [22:55:15] | jolaren: | like 5 times a day |
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| [22:57:48] | jolaren: | ill run eit anyways now cuz i cant miss more recordings |
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| [23:01:05] | Beirdo2: | Only for the moment. I'm at pizza hut using the iPhone |
| [23:01:19] | natanojl: | heh |
| [23:02:20] | jolaren: | I booked the HTC Desire yesterday |
| [23:02:22] | jolaren: | can't wait |
| [23:02:35] | jolaren: | Had a Iphone but waay to many limitations for my taste |
| [23:02:57] | Beirdo2: | Works fine for me |
| [23:03:48] | jolaren: | All depends on what you use your phone for |
| [23:04:05] | natanojl: | Heh, I'm still using my old Sony Ericsson T630 :) |
| [23:04:27] | Beirdo2: | Pretty much everything at times |
| [23:05:12] | jolaren: | you can't change roms or access the filesystem.. the only good thing bout that overpriced device would be the applications |
| [23:05:19] | Beirdo2: | Yay. I get to implement a framebased protocol over uart |
| [23:05:46] | Beirdo2: | I don't need to hack it. It works fine as is |
| [23:06:28] | jolaren: | multitasking? |
| [23:07:05] | Beirdo2: | Meh. It's a phone not a laptop |
| [23:07:41] | Beirdo2: | It could use multitasking of course |
| [23:07:48] | Beirdo2: | But meh |
| [23:08:23] | jolaren: | and the lack of expansion slots |
| [23:08:33] | jolaren: | the camera.. |
| [23:08:40] | jolaren: | and no umts or hscsd support? |
| [23:08:48] | Beirdo2: | So what. It's a phone |
| [23:09:20] | jolaren: | yer sure it's a phone.. prob works fine for callin ppl |
| [23:09:36] | jolaren: | i'm talkin bout the other features |
| [23:09:43] | Beirdo2: | I didn't get it to be a camera. I have 35 mm cameras for that |
| [23:10:15] | jolaren: | I see |
| [23:10:25] | jolaren: | what bothered me the most is the damages you can so easily do to the display |
| [23:10:40] | matmatmat: | its really not easy |
| [23:10:43] | Beirdo2: | Heh. Mine is well protected. |
| [23:10:56] | Beirdo2: | And that's hardly iPhone specific |
| [23:10:59] | matmatmat: | mine isnt protected, and ive treated it really bad |
| [23:11:29] | jolaren: | i have three friends who've had their iphone display screwed |
| [23:11:42] | jolaren: | Beirdo, tho i'd say it's iphone specific.. it's glass over the display instead of hardplastic |
| [23:12:20] | Beirdo2: | Apple may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of em |
| [23:12:21] | Beirdo2: | And? I have hard plastic over that |
| [23:12:24] | jolaren: | I'm not sayin their stupid.. I'm just sayin they pay alot for what it acctually delivers |
| [23:12:30] | matmatmat: | i practically played curling with mine three times, you cant see any damage except for the metal frame and a tiny missing edge in the glass |
| [23:12:31] | Beirdo2: | Your friends must be careless :) |
| [23:12:38] | jolaren: | we tend to drink alot |
| [23:12:44] | Beirdo2: | Heh |
| [23:12:47] | jolaren: | we handle our phones like our wimen ;) |
| [23:12:56] | Beirdo2: | It's not a coaster for yer beer |
| [23:13:07] | matmatmat: | he treats women like objects |
| [23:13:16] | jolaren: | I'd go with android anyday tho.. |
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| [23:14:03] | Beirdo2: | Also good stuff |
| [23:14:20] | jolaren: | I had the n900 for 1 week |
| [23:14:24] | jolaren: | disliked maemo |
| [23:15:16] | jolaren: | and the keyboard was soo supersweet.. but only usin the phone horizontally drow me crazy |
| [23:15:55] | Beirdo2: | Hehe |
| [23:16:07] | Beirdo2: | Gotta go. Pizza is here :) |
| [23:16:18] | natanojl: | Nice :) |
| [23:16:41] | natanojl: | enjoy your meal |
| [23:16:53] | Beirdo2: | Thanks |
| [23:16:58] | jolaren: | Pizza Hut is so expensive in Sweden |
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| [23:17:02] | jolaren: | Kinda blows |
| [23:17:11] | jolaren: | and why doesn't he use irssi? |
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| [23:19:35] | kormoc: | jolaren: who said he doesn't? |
| [23:19:44] | jolaren: | why'd he part then? |
| [23:19:59] | jolaren: | who runs irssi without screen? |
| [23:20:14] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [23:20:33] | jduggan: | maybe he shuts down his box |
| [23:20:36] | kormoc: | I'd ask the same about running irssi rather then bip or similar and using a real client |
| [23:21:07] | jolaren: | i'm runnin xchat atm on this box cuz i have utf-8 problems in irssi |
| [23:21:12] | jolaren: | can't be bothered to fix that on me srv |
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| [23:25:29] | Digital_Pioneer_: | OK, my frontends don't seem to be rescanning my video collection. They show many old videos, but can't play them, and none of the new ones. |
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| [23:26:39] | kormoc: | Digital_Pioneer_: so presss m and hit scan for changes? |
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| [23:27:03] | bjd: | can a standalone frontend stream vids from a backend? |
| [23:27:09] | kormoc: | yup |
| [23:27:17] | bjd: | i assume said frontend needs the vid plugin installed? |
| [23:27:21] | kormoc: | yup |
| [23:27:32] | Digital_Pioneer_: | kormoc: Ahh!! |
| [23:27:45] | Digital_Pioneer_: | kormoc: What other hidden little keys do I need to know about? |
| [23:28:01] | bjd: | my main workstation is a fbsd box so i'll give decke a slap ;p |
| [23:28:05] | Digital_Pioneer_: | I was trying 'r' for refresh... Didn't think about m. |
| [23:28:11] | iamlindoro: | By hidden, you mean "in the manual and used universally in almost every screen?" |
| [23:28:14] | kormoc: | Digital_Pioneer_: depends on what you do, there's a keys.txt file that comes with it that lists them all |
| [23:28:19] | bjd: | menu is all you need really |
| [23:29:07] | kormoc: | yeah, cause the other 200 key bindings are all worthless |
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| [23:32:15] | Digital_Pioneer_: | How can I quickly make a playlist of several videos and have it play those? |
| [23:33:36] | kormoc: | you can't |
| [23:35:24] | Digital_Pioneer_: | :[ |
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| [23:40:44] | sphery: | play folder? |
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| [23:43:08] | randomuser1: | i'm trying to set up my first mythdora install. the signal appears to be analog cable, but the scan locks channels up to 51 and holds at 52. what's up with that? |
| [23:44:29] | jolaren: | Started dieing on me again the backend.. or the backend is running I guess but I loose lock over my channels |
| [23:44:37] | jolaren: | somehow its connected to the EIT sendings |
| [23:45:42] | matmatmat: | can i make my tv do 200hz processing for mythtv somehow? |
| [23:46:17] | kormoc: | randomuser1: are you in the us? |
| [23:46:22] | kormoc: | matmatmat: 200 hz what? |
| [23:46:28] | randomuser1: | kornmoc: yes |
| [23:46:44] | randomuser1: | and sitting on the floor, forgive my spelling |
| [23:46:46] | kormoc: | randomuser1: you shouldnt' scan with analog, your schedules direct subscription handles that for you |
| [23:47:09] | matmatmat: | its a technology of modern tvs to make movements appear smooth by adding frames |
| [23:47:35] | kormoc: | matmatmat: if the tv is doing it, why would it care if the signal is coming from myth or a stb or what not? |
| [23:47:36] | matmatmat: | seems like i cant activate it when its connected to the computer |
| [23:47:39] | randomuser1: | the setting that says it would grab channels from listing source? |
| [23:48:00] | kormoc: | randomuser1: yes, but you need a valid, active subscription to schedulesdirect.org |
| [23:48:36] | randomuser1: | kormoc:i just set that up, seems essential, especially considering analog signal |
| [23:48:58] | kormoc: | yes, so just set that up and run mythfilldatabase and all is well |
| [23:49:09] | randomuser1: | cool |
| [23:50:23] | randomuser1: | is it normal to see 401 responses when running mythfilldatabase? |
| [23:50:35] | kormoc: | yes as long as the next ones work |
| [23:51:33] | jolaren: | I can't understand why MythTV doesn't sell MythTV remotes |
| [23:51:38] | jolaren: | i'd def buy one |
| [23:52:18] | bjd: | there's enough flaming over themes let alone remotes :p |
| [23:52:22] | iamlindoro: | I can't understand why someone would think we have the time, manpower, or means to build hardware |
| [23:52:54] | jolaren: | iamlindoro, ordering a big pack remotes from a company with the MythTV logo to earn some dough for the project.. |
| [23:52:59] | jolaren: | wouldn't be hard to organize nor time consuming |
| [23:53:05] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, Go for it |
| [23:53:10] | kormoc: | jolaren: we don't take donations or payments |
| [23:53:13] | iamlindoro: | because you're wrong |
| [23:53:28] | bjd: | my hauppauge remote is absolutely spot on – never had a reason to replace it tbh |
| [23:53:40] | iamlindoro: | you would need to order a minimum quantity in the *thousands*, pay for the hardware design, molds, and manufacture, and then find a way to sell them |
| [23:54:03] | iamlindoro: | so no, it would be hard, time consuming, and expensive, for no reward whatsoever. |
| [23:54:11] | iamlindoro: | but if I'm wrong, go for it. |
| [23:54:39] | jolaren: | No big market in Sweden |
| [23:54:51] | iamlindoro: | especially when you can buy a $20 remote as is that's everything most Myth users want |
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| [23:55:24] | jolaren: | well i'd buy to support the project and also for the logo, kinda adds a feelin |
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| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | jolaren: we don't accept funds |
| [23:56:18] | jolaren: | yer iamlindoro stated that to me a few sec ago |
| [23:56:57] | jolaren: | I wanted to buy a few mythtv thingys but ended up printin the logo at a printin store (stickers) and I have them on all me boxes |
| [23:57:39] | iamlindoro: | The last thing I want is to see my myth stuff at all, let alone our ugly logo |
| [23:58:08] | jolaren: | I have the ubuntu style logo |
| [23:58:13] | matmatmat: | very interesting |
| [23:58:15] | jolaren: | I find it quite good looking |
| [23:58:40] | iamlindoro: | Myth doesn't have an "ubuntu style" logo |
| [23:58:42] | matmatmat: | 200hz only works when i set the computer to 50hz. |
| [23:58:50] | jolaren: | iamlindoro, i'll try to find it |
| [23:58:55] | jolaren: | and link what i mean |
| [23:59:05] | iamlindoro: | there's only one official Myth logo |
| [23:59:34] | Digital_Pioneer_ (Digital_Pioneer_!~4270405f@gateway/web/freenode/x-bademmqznaebfskf) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | |
| [23:59:38] | iamlindoro: | Mythbuntu has their own logo, but as has been pointed out before, it's a pretty obvious ripoff of the tivo logo |
| [23:59:52] | iamlindoro: | And we're all set on lawsuits for now |
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