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| [00:03:33] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: he's baack |
| [00:05:04] | wagnerrp: | dougt: if you check the main bindings page on the wiki, it describes how to feed the connection information into the database object |
| [00:22:10] | Beirdo: | friggin OpenGL |
| [00:22:22] | ** Beirdo beats libGLEW with a baseball bat ** | |
| [00:22:45] | Beirdo: | glewInit() doesn't return an error |
| [00:23:11] | Beirdo: | but glewGetString(GLEW_VERSION) segfaults and dumps core |
| [00:23:14] | Beirdo: | thanks. |
| [00:25:54] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [00:25:59] | Beirdo: | this used to work |
| [00:26:24] | Beirdo: | but NOW, you need to do glutInit first... which means you need OpenGL first |
| [00:26:31] | Beirdo: | didn't used to |
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| [02:10:08] | Beirdo: | dang, it's quiet tonight |
| [02:11:02] | ** iamlindoro screams ** | |
| [02:11:34] | iamlindoro: | I make better? |
| [02:14:08] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:14:58] | Beirdo: | so, gputrans is up on github, and compiles as is... no idea if it even half-works at this point, and I have no way of testing right now |
| [02:15:28] | Beirdo: | I'm considering redoing it using vaapi rather than Cg |
| [02:16:00] | Beirdo: | with vdpau below that... maybe use cuda for doing denoise if I have to :) |
| [02:16:31] | Beirdo: | we shall see |
| [02:19:32] | xris: | iamlindoro: how do I make jamu re-scan things after I've fixed overrides in the conf file? |
| [02:20:26] | iamlindoro: | xris, delete any wrong artwork, re-run with -MW |
| [02:20:47] | iamlindoro: | it doesn't keep a record of what it matched in the past, so as far as it knows, the artwork you have right now is correct |
| [02:21:55] | xris: | iamlindoro: how do I *find* the wrong artwork? |
| [02:22:20] | xris: | I have several dozen shows that got identified incorrectly. no clue which art belongs to what |
| [02:22:56] | xris: | would rather reset some db setting.. I know the shows, not the artwork |
| [02:23:14] | iamlindoro: | the show artwork doesn't have any any setting in the DB |
| [02:23:29] | iamlindoro: | the artwork is in the directories you have set for fanart/banners/etc. and is named by show name |
| [02:23:40] | iamlindoro: | ie Castle_fanart.png |
| [02:25:20] | xris: | what about video art? |
| [02:25:58] | iamlindoro: | set in videometadata |
| [02:26:19] | xris: | because I've blown away the art and it's not regrabbing. |
| [02:26:28] | xris: | or maybe it doesn't recogize caps S##E## ? |
| [02:26:49] | iamlindoro: | This is mythvideo stuff, or for recordings? |
| [02:26:52] | iamlindoro: | caps are fine |
| [02:26:53] | xris: | video |
| [02:27:04] | iamlindoro: | did you remove the entries in videometadata? |
| [02:27:24] | xris: | no |
| [02:27:45] | iamlindoro: | If you want video material to be regrabbed, you need to clear the metadata |
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| [02:28:01] | iamlindoro: | as your database still beleives that files exist |
| [02:28:08] | xris: | ok |
| [02:28:12] | iamlindoro: | obviously just drop the rows in question |
| [02:28:42] | xris: | that's what I wanted to know |
| [02:28:42] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [02:28:42] | xris: | so TV just goes by series name, and video has something in the db. |
| [02:28:42] | iamlindoro: | you got it |
| [02:28:42] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [02:29:03] | saintd3v: | Is there any way to skip the timezone check in mythfrontend? My backend has a timezone of MST7MDT, but my frontend is US/Mountain, and mythfrontend refuses to start even though the clocks are the same. |
| [02:29:11] | RDV_Linux: | xris: If you removed the artwork then run jamu -M option. Jamu checks that the artwork as specified in a videometadata record actually exists. If it does not exist it will redownload it. |
| [02:29:24] | wagnerrp: | saintd3v: so fix your timezone |
| [02:29:53] | iamlindoro: | xris, RDV_Linux: though obviously if the inetref in the record is still wrong, you may end up with the wrong artwork again |
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| [02:30:43] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: That is correct. The interef once set is king. |
| [02:31:26] | jayvee: | iamlindoro: don't most projects have a -dev channel for the development? |
| [02:31:41] | wagnerrp: | jayvee: probably |
| [02:31:44] | iamlindoro: | jayvee, Couldn't tell you, we don't concern ourselves with most projects, just this one |
| [02:31:49] | Beirdo: | hmmm, nice |
| [02:31:56] | Beirdo: | VDPAU does seem cool |
| [02:32:00] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: that's the problem, i can't. the only MST7MDT that ubuntu offers is 'SystemV/MST7MDT' which it still considers a different timezone |
| [02:32:01] | wagnerrp: | jayvee: do you usually join channels without reading the topic first? |
| [02:32:02] | xris: | iamlindoro: in this case I blew away artwork and db records. |
| [02:32:05] | xris: | it still seems to have issues |
| [02:32:20] | iamlindoro: | need more information |
| [02:32:21] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu doesnt offer US/Mountain? |
| [02:32:35] | jayvee: | wagnerrp: not really my problem |
| [02:32:48] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: yes, but the ubuntu one isn't the one I can't change ;) |
| [02:32:49] | Beirdo: | saintd3v: that's a crock |
| [02:33:31] | wagnerrp: | what is your backend running that you cant change the timezone? |
| [02:34:12] | wagnerrp: | saintd3v: basically... no, they must match |
| [02:34:18] | wagnerrp: | bad things happen if they dont match |
| [02:34:21] | Beirdo: | my ubuntu box has US/Mountain |
| [02:34:25] | Beirdo: | dunno what your issue is |
| [02:34:45] | wagnerrp: | and it would take far too long to check back and forth the massive time database on every connection |
| [02:34:57] | wagnerrp: | so, the string it is |
| [02:35:03] | Beirdo: | jayvee: yes, it is your responsibility to read the topic in any channel you join :) |
| [02:36:15] | Beirdo: | saintd3v: I'm blind :) what's the other machine running that won't do US/Mountain? |
| [02:36:16] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: it's a box i don't have root access to. ok then. i'll see if I can get them to change the timezone. |
| [02:36:26] | saintd3v: | Beirdo: it will, i don't have root on it, though |
| [02:36:32] | wagnerrp: | why dont you have root access to it? |
| [02:36:38] | jayvee: | Beirdo: fat chance. |
| [02:36:46] | Beirdo: | saintd3v: OK |
| [02:37:00] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: the backend is my roomate's |
| [02:37:24] | wagnerrp: | saintd3v: complain that hes not using the typical timezone |
| [02:37:30] | mag0o: | Someone tell Dora the grumpy old troll isn't under the bridge. |
| [02:37:34] | jayvee: | Beirdo: my point being that I'm just one person. I'm surely not the only one. |
| [02:37:55] | jayvee: | You can't change the location of Mt Fuji, but you can move yourself relative to the mountain. |
| [02:38:03] | Beirdo: | MST7MDT should be there in Ubuntu though, that's a standard timezone string |
| [02:38:21] | saintd3v: | Beirdo: ubuntu has it as 'SystemV/MST7MDT' |
| [02:38:21] | Beirdo: | jayvee: and you can read the flipping signs too |
| [02:38:31] | Beirdo: | saintd3v: yeah, weird |
| [02:38:53] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: i'll get him to change it, he's just not here right now, so I guess I'll have to wait :( |
| [02:39:02] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: thanks anyway! |
| [02:39:14] | Beirdo: | you can likely hack yer ubuntu box to do it too |
| [02:39:31] | Beirdo: | in /usr/share/zoneinfo, make the symlink to whereever it actually is |
| [02:39:35] | Beirdo: | might work |
| [02:39:40] | saintd3v: | Beirdo: hahahaha strings fail |
| [02:40:07] | saintd3v: | cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST7MDT |
| [02:40:12] | Beirdo: | no |
| [02:40:14] | wagnerrp: | saintd3v: yeah, its trivial to gain root to any machine you have physical access to |
| [02:40:15] | Beirdo: | no no no |
| [02:40:19] | saintd3v: | ok it's MST7MDT now :P |
| [02:40:29] | Beirdo: | cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Mountain |
| [02:40:29] | saintd3v: | oh wait, then the times won't match |
| [02:40:33] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [02:40:39] | saintd3v: | Beirdo: yes i know the CORRECT way to do it |
| [02:41:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:41:08] | Beirdo: | typos happen |
| [02:41:12] | saintd3v: | i was just thinking if it's just checking strings you could use anything |
| [02:41:25] | Beirdo: | you could |
| [02:41:31] | saintd3v: | but then the times wouldn't match, so it wouldn't work anyway |
| [02:41:33] | jayvee: | Beirdo: the fact that it's happened about 5 times in a row confirms that it's not my fault in the slightest. |
| [02:41:33] | Beirdo: | but it would be best to use the RIGHT one :) |
| [02:41:41] | wagnerrp: | saintd3v: if nothing else, you could scp the zone info off his machine, and use it on yours |
| [02:41:47] | Beirdo: | jayvee: no, that proves that you STILL can't read |
| [02:41:51] | Beirdo: | now stop arguing |
| [02:43:00] | xris: | jayvee: mythtv isn't the only channel setup with "name" being the dev channel. devs were here first and don't want to move. and IRC etiquette says you shoudl read topics when joining channels. |
| [02:43:12] | jayvee: | frankly too angry to be interested in fixing my problem any more. why is it that only in this channel the developers are the trolls? |
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| [02:43:24] | wagnerrp: | woohoo! |
| [02:43:25] | saintd3v: | lol |
| [02:43:25] | Beirdo: | good riddance |
| [02:43:31] | iamlindoro: | self-kick! |
| [02:43:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:43:37] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [02:44:16] | xris: | heh |
| [02:44:35] | Beirdo: | "I keep screwing up, that proves it's not my fault" |
| [02:44:39] | Beirdo: | oook, nice logic |
| [02:44:52] | saintd3v: | so what about doing something like a sha1 or md5 of the current timezone file wouldn't that be a little more accurate than just string-matching? |
| [02:45:06] | xris: | granted, devs can be a bit harsh at times... but wow.. people need to develop thicker skins. |
| [02:45:14] | Beirdo: | saintd3v: string matching typically works well :) |
| [02:45:29] | iamlindoro: | I might have primed the pump a little but he was being an a-hole over there too |
| [02:45:31] | wagnerrp: | saintd3v: and chances are those two files are NOT exactly the same |
| [02:45:42] | saintd3v: | except when it doesn't :P |
| [02:45:53] | Beirdo: | xris: true. and I did whine about the silly naming years back, but that's the way it is, so I learned to deal :) |
| [02:46:31] | xris: | I'd be happy to change it, but don't like to argue with isaac |
| [02:46:40] | wagnerrp: | so what do you think his problem was.... filter active on the recording screen? |
| [02:46:40] | Beirdo: | and even if we renamed it, the people would still show up and be off-topic |
| [02:46:41] | iamlindoro: | nobody does |
| [02:46:58] | iamlindoro: | heck, we even tried last year |
| [02:47:01] | xris: | Beirdo: yeah, like the hundred+ people who frequent both channels. |
| [02:47:21] | Beirdo: | arguing with Isaac is a great way to get yourself thoroughly frustrated :) not worth it. |
| [02:47:32] | saintd3v: | anyway, thanks again. |
| [02:47:34] | Beirdo: | he's one of the few people that can argue me to oblivion |
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| [02:47:42] | wagnerrp: | ive often wondered what those 100+ people are doing in there anyway |
| [02:47:46] | iamlindoro: | just gets personal feeling way too fast |
| [02:48:22] | Beirdo: | I'd rather just live in peace :) |
| [02:49:12] | wagnerrp: | of course theres little sense to me being in -theming |
| [02:49:31] | Beirdo: | heh, or me.. other than to watch my bot :) |
| [02:49:48] | Beirdo: | but meh. |
| [02:50:26] | Beirdo: | hmmm, where to find online documentation for vaapi, I wonder |
| [02:51:03] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [02:51:12] | Beirdo: | latest specification... here's the .h |
| [02:51:13] | Beirdo: | thanks |
| [02:51:41] | Beirdo: | and the link's wrong |
| [02:51:49] | Beirdo: | go, freedesktop.org |
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| [02:53:27] | Beirdo: | it's documented in the .h once you find it though |
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| [03:16:39] | dougt: | Beirdo: what's Isaac's irc nick? |
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| [03:17:03] | Beirdo: | why? :) |
| [03:17:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:17:32] | dougt: | no reason in particular. |
| [03:18:01] | dougt: | n/m |
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| [03:31:05] | Beirdo: | * it is a real program to show how VAAPI encoding work, |
| [03:31:06] | Beirdo: | * It does H264 element stream level encoding on auto-generated YUV data |
| [03:31:08] | Beirdo: | hmmmm |
| [03:31:27] | Beirdo: | wonder which chipsets do H264 encoding via vaapi!? |
| [03:31:45] | Beirdo: | gputrans has a new friend, I think |
| [03:31:52] | Beirdo: | dang that would be sweet! |
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| [03:55:08] | wagnerrp: | encoding via VAAPI? |
| [03:55:11] | wagnerrp: | its not just decoding? |
| [03:56:29] | Beirdo: | seems that way |
| [03:56:39] | Beirdo: | I wanna know WHICH chipset supports that |
| [03:56:47] | Beirdo: | gputrans, here we come! |
| [03:57:03] | Beirdo: | encoding is defined for H264, H263 and MPEG4 |
| [03:57:32] | Beirdo: | and they have ties to use buffers straight from V4L2 |
| [03:57:42] | Beirdo: | which could be sweet too for lamegrabbers |
| [03:58:11] | clever: | i ditched my framegrabber months ago because the sound card in that box is horid |
| [03:58:24] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [03:58:27] | clever: | and the video quality is loaded with static, the internal tuner sucks also |
| [03:58:36] | Beirdo: | anyways, this is sweet if it works |
| [03:58:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:59:04] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre having fun over there |
| [03:59:14] | Beirdo: | getting ideas anyways |
| [03:59:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:59:33] | Beirdo: | it does mpeg2, mpeg4, h264 decode by the looks of it |
| [03:59:55] | Beirdo: | and likely h263, but I doubt we care ... and VC1 |
| [03:59:59] | Beirdo: | I think that's the list |
| [04:00:09] | clever: | never heard of h263 |
| [04:00:30] | Beirdo: | go AWAY moth! |
| [04:00:46] | Beirdo: | stupid thing's ramming my laptop monitor |
| [04:01:11] | wagnerrp: | h263 was some low-bitrate optimized codec |
| [04:01:20] | iamlindoro: | h.263 is xvid/divx |
| [04:01:22] | Beirdo: | yup, used by netmeeting, etc |
| [04:01:24] | clever: | coding in the outdoor air is nice, but the sun is usualy too bright and its still freezing right now |
| [04:01:29] | wagnerrp: | no its not |
| [04:01:37] | iamlindoro: | d'oh, sorry |
| [04:01:51] | iamlindoro: | half-attention |
| [04:01:59] | Beirdo: | H.263 is video conferencing... xvid/divx is MPEG4 done poorly :) |
| [04:02:24] | wagnerrp: | well... mpeg4p2 is a far off derivative of h263 |
| [04:02:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, they are all related :) |
| [04:02:44] | wagnerrp: | as is sorenson, and a handful of other formats |
| [04:05:31] | iamlindoro: | Still, in the VA-API sense I'm fairly certain they mean Xvid/divx |
| [04:05:42] | Beirdo: | not so sure |
| [04:05:58] | Beirdo: | they have ways of tying in webcam type devices |
| [04:06:24] | Beirdo: | it's likely they mean H.263 video conferencing |
| [04:06:38] | Beirdo: | and then MPEG4 for divx/xvid :)( |
| [04:07:16] | Beirdo: | but, what do we know? :) |
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| [04:24:53] | sphery: | I don't know what slacker made this file, but he's missing 2 bytes: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 333331 Jan 15 12:01 q3porting.xml |
| [04:25:41] | iamlindoro: | presumably q4porting will be 444444 |
| [04:25:56] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:27:18] | sphery: | or, if they hold true to past mistakes, 444442 (or 444441 or ... can't really tell without more data for the pattern) |
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| [05:45:34] | dougt: | if frontend is currently playing a recording, can that recording be flagged? and if so, will the user watching the recording "suddenly" get comflagging after some period of time? |
| [05:53:55] | wagnerrp: | you can start commflagging immediately after a recording has started |
| [05:54:12] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend will be able to access the commflagging as far as that job has processed |
| [05:54:19] | wagnerrp: | you can even run commflagging on livetv |
| [05:54:41] | wagnerrp: | although most people will not be sufficiently far behind live when doing that, that it would make much difference |
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| [06:05:25] | dougt: | thanks wagnerrp. |
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| [06:57:14] | shan: | Hi! I am using ubuntu 9.10 and PVR 150 card with cx23416 chipset. I am able to view the video using mplayer /dev/video0 from the composite1 input. But the image is in black and white. could someone help me with this? |
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| [07:03:24] | Jester05: | hello gents |
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| [07:06:12] | shan: | hello jester05 |
| [07:06:55] | Jester05: | how goes it sir? |
| [07:07:22] | Jester05: | man its so damn hard to find an entry level engineering job that deals with linux lol |
| [07:13:57] | wagnerrp: | shan: your device supports composite, but not svideo? |
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| [07:18:37] | shan: | hello jester05! I was busy on a call and could not respond to you. |
| [07:18:42] | shan: | how are you? |
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| [07:19:05] | wagnerrp: | shan: you have a composite output, but not an svideo output? |
| [07:19:38] | shan: | I have both composite and svideo, in both I am getting only a black and white picture |
| [07:19:53] | wagnerrp: | black and white over svideo as well? |
| [07:20:03] | shan: | the quality of the composite is better than than the quality of the Svideo |
| [07:20:06] | Jester05: | I'm not bad |
| [07:20:16] | Jester05: | just trying to find a job somewhere lol |
| [07:20:19] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt be |
| [07:20:21] | shan: | In svideo i am getting colour dots but the image is still in black |
| [07:21:02] | shan: | I am not using any additional drivers than the ones that come with the OS. |
| [07:21:15] | wagnerrp: | youre using v4l2-ctl to change the input on that card? |
| [07:21:18] | shan: | I have installed ivtv-utils through synaptics |
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| [07:21:25] | shan: | yes |
| [07:21:51] | shan: | I have used v4l2-ctl to change the input and the video format to PAL |
| [07:22:11] | wagnerrp: | ive gotten b/w off my 150s before |
| [07:22:22] | wagnerrp: | but that was off the tuner, and because i was getting poor signal from my cableco |
| [07:22:23] | shan: | when I leave it to the default ntsc, I get a wave in the image. |
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| [07:23:01] | shan: | I could try to change the cable now and let you know the results immediately. |
| [07:23:07] | wagnerrp: | that card is one or the other, it cannot flip between the two |
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| [07:25:30] | shan: | I changed the cable (composite) and still have the same black& white |
| [07:25:40] | shan: | any clues on how I could resolve it. |
| [07:26:07] | shan: | I have tried setting the -s parameter in v4l2-ctl upto 10 |
| [07:26:21] | shan: | with no change |
| [07:26:46] | Jester05: | hardware issue??? |
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| [07:27:18] | shan: | I could try installing this card on a windows machine and see how the output is. |
| [07:27:32] | shan: | that would remove the doubt about the hard ware. |
| [07:27:48] | Jester05: | sorry to bother you gents but would one of you be willing to take a quick look at my resume and just let me know what you think.. I would ask elsewhere but I don't really know where I'd go for that and I respect the intelligence of most people in this channel 99% of the time |
| [07:28:18] | shan: | any other suggestion on linux? |
| [07:28:44] | Jester05: | shan, does it work properly in windows? |
| [07:28:53] | Jester05: | it'd be a good way to test for hardware issues :-\ |
| [07:28:58] | shan: | I haven't tried it. |
| [07:29:17] | shan: | I will do in a short while |
| [07:29:22] | Jester05: | I'd give that a shot first if you can easily simply to cut down on possibly wasted time debugging |
| [07:29:31] | shan: | sure |
| [07:29:33] | shan: | I will |
| [07:29:41] | Jester05: | I had a tuner die on me and spent alot of time trying to figure out the issue :-\ |
| [07:29:46] | shan: | ok |
| [07:29:48] | Jester05: | needless to say I was pissed lol |
| [07:29:54] | shan: | :) |
| [07:30:06] | shan: | wagnerrrp: any suggestions? |
| [07:30:20] | Jester05: | shan, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2019485/Jesse_Klaus_Resume_3-26-10.pdf |
| [07:30:40] | Jester05: | theres the URL to a pdf version.. as I'm sure you can tell from the filename lol |
| [07:31:19] | shan: | I was in Cleveland OH for about 3 years before I moved back to India. |
| [07:31:30] | shan: | I still have my cousins in Cleveland |
| [07:31:45] | Jester05: | oh |
| [07:31:55] | Jester05: | I've only been to cleveland when I was young :-\ |
| [07:32:00] | Jester05: | I really want out of ohio tho |
| [07:32:08] | Jester05: | living in Dayton isn't exactly enjoyable |
| [07:32:19] | shan: | ok |
| [07:32:19] | Jester05: | I'd love it out in Colorado or Idaho |
| [07:34:15] | shan: | ok jester05: I will test in winxp and get back |
| [07:34:16] | shan: | bye |
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| [07:34:22] | Jester05: | alright |
| [07:36:35] | jstenback: | is adjusting vdpaubuffersize something that's likely to make stuttering vdpay playback work better or worse? |
| [07:36:58] | jstenback: | vdpau, even |
| [07:38:10] | justinh: | depends if your card has enough memory or not |
| [07:38:41] | jstenback: | I've got 512 megs, it's an ION system (Atom based) |
| [07:39:08] | justinh: | then you likely can't do advanced 2x deinterlacing IIRC |
| [07:39:13] | jstenback: | so the video ram is shared with the system ram, but I know it's set to use 512 megs |
| [07:40:36] | jstenback: | justinh: so here's why I'm asking... I've used this frontend for many months with 0.22, 1xtemporal deinterlacer, worked like a camp until I upgraded to 0.23 |
| [07:40:42] | jstenback: | now video playback stutters |
| [07:41:30] | jstenback: | and audio as well |
| [07:41:57] | jstenback: | if I change to the onefield deinterlacer, things are good enough that audio keeps up, but I still ocasionally see video not quite keeping up |
| [07:42:20] | jstenback: | still watchable, but not as good as it used to be |
| [07:42:40] | justinh: | did you just upgrade mythtv or the whole distro? |
| [07:43:11] | jstenback: | I build from source... |
| [07:43:42] | jstenback: | but my frontends run minimyth, which keeps updating, and I keep rebuilding every once in a while |
| [07:53:27] | justinh: | minimyth auto-updates now? eew |
| [07:53:47] | justinh: | it was always a PITA to update it & find the config file syntax had changed *again* |
| [07:54:38] | jstenback: | no... I just pull new source and rebuild the whole thing |
| [07:54:52] | jstenback: | nothing automatic about it |
| [07:55:12] | justinh: | jstenback: try another distro. my epia frontend had issues with the last minimyth rollups I tried but moving to a different distro helped immensely with video playback |
| [07:56:17] | justinh: | e.g. what didn't play well in minimyth was great on a knoppmyth live frontend |
| [07:57:30] | justinh: | maybe roll back minimyth to the last version which worked well & update only the mythtv source code |
| [07:58:45] | jstenback: | justinh: I have my previous working version, and yeah, I could drop 0.23 into it and see if that makes any difference |
| [07:59:01] | jstenback: | justinh: I'll give that a shot tomorrow (getting late around here...) |
| [07:59:06] | jstenback: | justinh: thanks! |
| [07:59:08] | justinh: | np |
| [07:59:22] | justinh: | I always found minimyth was too keen to update drivers & stuff |
| [07:59:46] | justinh: | sure I could've built it myself but the fastest machine I had at the time was only a 2000XP athlon lol |
| [08:00:01] | justinh: | and the frontend just wasn't built for compiling *anything* |
| [08:00:28] | justinh: | epia 1Ghz == 500Mhz *real* CPU or something |
| [08:00:34] | jstenback: | heh, yeah, building minimyth is no small task |
| [08:00:55] | justinh: | it's not so bad to get going, but it's time-consuming on slow hardware |
| [08:00:59] | jstenback: | takes over 3 hours here on a 2x quad Xenon box |
| [08:01:06] | justinh: | ! |
| [08:01:08] | jstenback: | 8 real cores, that is |
| [08:01:13] | justinh: | that's mad |
| [08:01:40] | justinh: | well, there's not really much advantage to minimyth anymore IMHO |
| [08:01:42] | jstenback: | yeah... now, a lot of that time is spent in things that are not paralellized, so it only uses one or two cores, but still |
| [08:02:14] | justinh: | my diskless FE is just a modified default mythbuntu install rsynced from a HDD |
| [08:02:47] | justinh: | makes little odds whether the diskless share is under 256MB or 10GB |
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| [08:06:45] | jstenback: | justinh: you net boot that or? |
| [08:07:16] | jstenback: | justinh: and fwiw, vdpaubuffersize doesn't seem to change anything wrt what I'm seeing here |
| [08:07:34] | jstenback: | tried setting it to 32, 36, and 48, no difference |
| [08:08:11] | justinh: | same nvidia driver version? |
| [08:08:16] | jstenback: | yeah |
| [08:08:25] | justinh: | same X version? |
| [08:08:40] | jstenback: | well, the previously working 0.22 build I was running used an older nvidia driver |
| [08:08:55] | jstenback: | not sure about X |
| [08:09:01] | justinh: | try as I suggested. at least that should narrow the finger of blame ;) |
| [08:09:09] | jstenback: | certainly, will do. |
| [08:09:15] | jstenback: | thanks again |
| [08:09:45] | justinh: | np. when more than one thing has changed, there's no way to know what the cause is |
| [08:09:54] | jstenback: | indeed |
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| [08:12:52] | justinh: | so, all UK folks on board against the Digital Economy Bill yet? |
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| [09:16:27] | k-man: | in the MythCenter theme, on the schedule recording page where you choose when to record the show, the field is too narrow to read the description of "record in this timeslost every..." |
| [09:16:35] | k-man: | in the 4:3 theme |
| [09:19:16] | justinh: | there's always a toss-up between text field length, readability & font size |
| [09:20:06] | justinh: | change the field size, another area has to lose space |
| [09:20:19] | justinh: | change the font size, you might reduce readability for some people |
| [09:20:51] | justinh: | solve the problem by reducing the number of options... heheheheh |
| [09:23:55] | justinh: | so, if you want a larger textarea for the recording option stuff, where should it be taken from hmm? |
| [09:24:13] | justinh: | shorter descriptions? remove the date field? |
| [09:37:49] | k-man: | justinh: actually, if you look at that page, the field could be made wider and it would not impact anything else |
| [09:39:56] | k-man: | whats the current recommended filesystem for recordings? |
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| [09:43:28] | justinh: | k-man: so send a patch :D |
| [09:43:45] | justinh: | and I don't look at mythcenter if I can at all avoid it |
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| [09:50:04] | w00zy: | hey guys. |
| [09:50:52] | w00zy: | I have a DCH3416 STB from Time Warner Cable in Sothern California and am attempting to set up mythtv to capture video from it via firewire. |
| [09:51:29] | w00zy: | I have read many conflicting posts from around the web about whether this STB is suitable for that |
| [09:52:28] | w00zy: | Im still unsure what is the best procedure for testing the box myself. (currently) |
| [09:52:33] | justinh: | probably depends on whether or not the port is enabled |
| [09:52:52] | w00zy: | justinh: Im not really sure how to check that. |
| [09:53:20] | flabberkenny: | k-man: afaik xfs, http://mythtv.org/wiki/XFS |
| [09:53:42] | justinh: | there is NO recommended file system as such |
| [09:53:44] | w00zy: | tail -F /var/log/messages shows me that the kernel loads up my firewire modules and assigns /dev/fw0 |
| [09:54:43] | w00zy: | and plugreport has similar output to alot of the threads that I have read. |
| [09:56:15] | w00zy: | does anyone know of an up-to-date link that can help me test this out? |
| [09:58:17] | w00zy: | or actually have the patience to help a brother out |
| [09:58:29] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire |
| [10:00:11] | justinh: | nobody here generally has the patience to do hand-holding walkthroughs. that's not helping people anyway. that's *doing* things for them |
| [10:05:51] | w00zy: | justinh: thanks |
| [10:07:36] | w00zy: | yeah. wow, the plugreport manpage is pretty helpful. |
| [10:08:34] | justinh: | manpages helpful? there should be a law against that! ;-) |
| [10:09:26] | justinh: | this little unit is mad. pity it can't decode h.264 HD |
| [10:10:08] | justinh: | 2x ethernet, 3x USB, 2x serial, 4 composite video, 3x stereo audio, HDMI & VGA |
| [10:10:11] | sid3windr: | the little unit that could |
| [10:10:36] | justinh: | oh yeah 2 microSD slots too |
| [10:10:40] | sid3windr: | 3x stereo audio |
| [10:10:43] | sid3windr: | is that like.. 5.1 audio? :) |
| [10:10:54] | justinh: | sid3windr: not in the config we've used, no |
| [10:11:14] | justinh: | it could do though. as much use an analogue 5.1 is to anybody |
| [10:12:21] | justinh: | we should make NMT boxes instead of this CCTV crap |
| [10:13:02] | w00zy: | I try to set bcast_connection=1 in oPCR[0] of Node 0 (Where my dvr is connected) and a subsequent run of plugreport shows that it wasnt set. |
| [10:13:10] | w00zy: | I can set p2p on it though |
| [10:13:24] | w00zy: | could that have something to do with the DVR? |
| [10:19:44] | justinh: | maybe try asking when people who use firewire are awake ;-) |
| [10:20:31] | justinh: | saw a UK bloke asking for hints about DVB-S here at 3am local time not so long back |
| [10:21:34] | AndyCap: | justinh: couldn't get his adult entertainment working? |
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| [10:22:39] | shan: | wagnerrp: I installed the card on a winxp machine and the card seems to be working fine. I am getting the images in colour |
| [10:23:06] | shan: | when I installed ubuntu on the same machine i still get the images in black & white. |
| [10:24:22] | justinh: | shan: likely to be that the wrong video standard is set, then |
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| [10:24:40] | justinh: | man v4l2ctl |
| [10:24:43] | shan: | I have set it to pal on both the winxp and on ubuntu |
| [10:25:08] | shan: | v4l2ctl -s5 was the command I used. |
| [10:25:31] | shan: | when I set it to ntsc it gives me an image with waves on the top |
| [10:25:55] | justinh: | what are you putting into the tuner card? |
| [10:26:18] | shan: | I have plugged in a DVD player |
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| [10:26:32] | shan: | I have a composite input and an svideo input |
| [10:26:35] | justinh: | just a dvd player, not some copyrighted DVD? |
| [10:27:02] | shan: | no |
| [10:27:15] | AndyCap: | shouldn't macrovision fail on both windows and linux? |
| [10:27:53] | shan: | I am playing a dvd but not a copy wirted one. It is working well on win XP though |
| [10:28:19] | justinh: | aye true. if macrovision was involved it would be mono on XP |
| [10:28:25] | justinh: | or worse :) |
| [10:29:14] | shan: | I haven't tried the voice part yet. as I am going to be using this for capturing medical images where I will not be needing any sound input, I really am not worried about audio |
| [10:30:06] | shan: | the card i am using is Avertv Ultra 116 using cx23416 chipset |
| [10:30:11] | justinh: | and capturing medical images has what to do with mythtv specifically? |
| [10:30:29] | justinh: | ah so a card not even supported by ivtv? |
| [10:30:49] | shan: | the images will be coming into the card via composite or svideo input |
| [10:31:19] | shan: | the ivtv site says it is supported and the kernel defaults to PVR 150 mode? |
| [10:33:47] | shan: | even other wise if this card works, i was planning on using it at home to record some good tv programs for the kids to watch |
| [10:35:07] | shan: | justinh: any suggestions? |
| [10:38:39] | shan: | Is there any body who could help me out with this issue? |
| [10:38:52] | justinh: | buy a framegrabber for still image capture from video sources |
| [10:39:37] | shan: | justinh: this would not be a still image, we will have to capture both video and from the video take still images |
| [10:39:50] | shan: | the videos also will be archived for later reference |
| [10:40:08] | justinh: | 'we' being a company? and I'm giving free support WHY? |
| [10:42:00] | shan: | its upto you to support or not, I have an issue and I beleive that provideing support to people like me is only going to build the brand image of opensource and not in any way going to pull it down. |
| [10:42:53] | justinh: | the 'brand' of commercial enterprise making use of people's good will & free time. Hrm :-\ |
| [10:43:04] | shan: | i am requsting support only from the community and in the sprit of the community we help each other out |
| [10:43:34] | shan: | there are instances when I have replied to smilar queries from users. |
| [10:44:12] | shan: | I don't think there is open source is against any company, its the sprit |
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| [10:48:44] | justinh: | problem is, you're getting paid to develop something & want free help :-\ |
| [10:49:02] | justinh: | I won't get a cut, so where's the point? karma? LOL |
| [10:49:29] | shan: | we could work out some sharing arrangement if you can get this to work :) |
| [10:49:46] | justinh: | meh |
| [10:50:06] | justinh: | it's probably something to do with card type options when the module is loaded. autodetection of card types doesn't always work |
| [10:50:46] | shan: | ok, so how do i figure what type of card this is? |
| [10:51:04] | justinh: | look in the ivtv source maybe |
| [10:51:24] | shan: | I used to use a saa71xx card and give it in the options paramenter in /etc/modprobe.d |
| [10:51:46] | shan: | ok, I will try |
| [10:52:00] | shan: | I get back to you in a short while with the results. |
| [10:52:04] | justinh: | anyway I'd have thought using a better quality video capture than NTSC/PAL would be required for medical apps |
| [10:52:21] | shan: | this is just good enough if it works. |
| [10:52:22] | justinh: | esp. in this day & age |
| [10:53:08] | shan: | because they are still using the older cards and this is only a step forward. |
| [10:53:37] | shan: | could you please suggest some cards that are ubuntu compatible out of the box, I could give it a try too. |
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| [10:55:36] | justinh: | btw are you going to be relying on showing the video real-time as it's captured? |
| [10:55:54] | justinh: | because if so, you shouldn't be using mpeg2 encoder cards |
| [10:56:09] | justinh: | way too much lag |
| [10:56:11] | shan: | yes, the video will be seen on the monitor and also be recorded |
| [10:56:21] | shan: | if required. |
| [10:56:54] | justinh: | if the capture card is the only way the images will be seen via the computer's monitor mpeg2 encoding cards are NOT what you want |
| [10:57:19] | shan: | ok, so what would be the best ubuntu compatible card that I could choose, any suggestions? |
| [10:57:31] | justinh: | any v4l compliant framegrabber card |
| [10:57:45] | justinh: | and 'ubuntu compatible' is meaningless |
| [10:57:52] | shan: | i understand |
| [10:58:07] | shan: | i should have said as v4l complaint |
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| [11:23:55] | oobe: | look at this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CTX-EzPro-500-LCD-proj . . . em335bb187f5 |
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| [11:26:34] | justinh: | least that wasn't a tiny.url. every last one of those is a virus |
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| [11:27:25] | justinh: | oobe: so probably doesn't work then ;-) |
| [11:27:53] | oobe: | the description says it was tested and working |
| [11:28:09] | justinh: | yeah working before it was shipped :) |
| [11:28:23] | oobe: | It has been tested at 1024x768 and works fine. |
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| [11:28:43] | justinh: | sold without warranty possibly means that once it's been shipped & you discover it doesn't work you've not got a leg to stand on |
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| [11:29:04] | oobe: | i only came accross it cause i know one of the guys from that org they are non profit computer charity that gives discounts to ppl with concessions |
| [11:29:21] | oobe: | that is true in terms of warranty |
| [11:29:34] | oobe: | but there intentions are not to rip people off |
| [11:29:40] | justinh: | even so, it'd be a good gamble if I was in the market for a big SDTV projector |
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| [11:30:09] | oobe: | yea well im not but this place is where i would expect someone to value such an item |
| [11:30:23] | justinh: | I know a few people who've bought 'broken' projectors on ebay only to take 5 minutes repair work |
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| [11:30:38] | oobe: | cool |
| [11:33:48] | justinh: | looks like momentum is gathering against the digital economy bill :) |
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| [11:34:08] | justinh: | very nasty the UK gov is rushing this one through before the election |
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| [11:35:20] | justinh: | coming down hard on file sharers is one thing, cutting their internet off is fine by me but not when they're gonna be relying solely on IP addresses. Then there's the change in copyright law which allows copyright to change hands very easily without the knowledge of the original holder |
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| [11:36:53] | justinh: | oh that & going ahead with switching off analogue radio by 2015 |
| [11:37:04] | justinh: | and further deregulating the media |
| [11:37:48] | justinh: | oh and making it completely illegal to sell a video recording which hasn't been in front of a censor |
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| [11:39:01] | justinh: | ROFLMAO. There's a birthday card being passed around. For our CEO. |
| [11:39:29] | justinh: | yeah because we all _love_ him. and peope have been putting money in it? :-O |
| [11:40:40] | justinh: | needless to say I won't be donating to the millionaire's birthday fund |
| [11:44:21] | jduggan: | lol |
| [11:49:13] | justinh: | he who froze pay for the last 2 years & laid a load of people off last year. Pfft |
| [11:49:59] | [Peter]: | I'm sure he did it just for shits & giggles ;) |
| [11:51:02] | oobe: | lol |
| [11:53:54] | justinh: | wow. we had a guy in here told off for saying 'hell' the other night & then others get away scot free for saying that |
| [11:56:26] | oobe: | well hell isnt really a bad word |
| [11:56:36] | [Peter]: | kormoc seems to think it is |
| [11:56:38] | oobe: | not even when used as an expletive |
| [11:56:49] | justinh: | I agree, but the word before |
| [11:56:58] | justinh: | '& giggles' would qualify |
| [11:57:10] | oobe: | & giggles |
| [11:57:23] | oobe: | sorry i am unfamilar with the reference |
| [11:57:36] | oobe: | i could scroll through the logs but i wont |
| [11:58:27] | justinh: | ****s and giggles |
| [11:58:39] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [11:58:45] | justinh: | if the channel is gonna have a policy, let it be broad & widely applied |
| [11:58:52] | [Peter]: | justinh: well, as long as kormoc himself uses "it'll suck as much as your mom", I won't really care about shit and hell. |
| [11:59:11] | oobe: | oh damn that was only a few lines ago lol |
| [11:59:23] | justinh: | wasn't having a dig at you as such [Peter] |
| [11:59:51] | justinh: | no use having a policy that's not enforced all the time |
| [12:00:00] | justinh: | evenly & fairly, too |
| [12:00:33] | justinh: | fwiw I dunno what preventing swears in IRC is gonna do anyway. I've heard the kids round where I live |
| [12:00:59] | justinh: | they use cuss words like we use commas |
| [12:01:07] | [Peter]: | justinh: hehe, I'm pretty sure I'll be kickbanned once kormoc & iamlindoro wakes up, I got kicked yesterday for pointing out their hypocrisy |
| [12:01:43] | justinh: | fair dues the channel is generally more friendly these days |
| [12:01:59] | justinh: | but a lot of that has to do with getting rid of the bad eggs |
| [12:02:36] | [Peter]: | they are just taking it a few steps too far. |
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| [12:04:13] | justinh: | if appearing professional is the aim, maybe stopping dissing other projects should be a rule too |
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| [12:06:08] | [Peter]: | I can think of some other rules as well. Like accepting constructive criticism without going "omg, where's the patch" |
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| [12:07:32] | justinh: | hrm. now there I can see the issue |
| [12:07:56] | justinh: | or we could just say "great idea! I'll get right on it!!!" then do nothing like the rest do |
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| [12:11:22] | Dibblah: | Where's the patch is a very valid concern. |
| [12:12:11] | [Peter]: | for everything that people suggests or wants to discuss? please. |
| [12:12:22] | justinh: | depends |
| [12:12:34] | justinh: | if we had code for every single daft idea somebody has there'd be no issue |
| [12:12:42] | justinh: | or at least somebody willing to do it |
| [12:13:43] | justinh: | look at the wiki & see how many feature suggestions have been implemented .. funny to find the same people who say 'no patch' are pretty big contributors |
| [12:13:45] | Dibblah: | 570 _active_ tickets. 358 of those have not definitely even been _looked at_ let alone had any useful activity. |
| [12:14:19] | justinh: | blimmin culture of entitlement |
| [12:15:05] | Dibblah: | Well, I'll probably be less active in Myth stuff soon. Moving to a V+ box, due to encryption issues. |
| [12:15:20] | oobe: | i started using vlc recently as my alternate player i wish i had of started using it sooner |
| [12:15:37] | justinh: | I've not been as active as I'd like to have been, and will likely get less active still |
| [12:15:40] | justinh: | thanks, community! |
| [12:15:59] | justinh: | oobe: you're gonna lose external players altogether soon |
| [12:16:25] | justinh: | though I'm not going to say report issues you find. there are already enough tickets ;-) |
| [12:16:25] | oobe: | is it set for .24 |
| [12:16:37] | justinh: | I think so |
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| [12:17:48] | [Peter]: | justinh: if something bugs me enough I'll patch it myself, but without commit access it feels a bit pointless because you know your patch will rot in trac if you submit it :) |
| [12:17:56] | oobe: | i think thats a bad idea the only reasoning behind it is they want all internal playback issues to be reported |
| [12:19:52] | [Peter]: | justinh: .. and the fact that working as a software developer professionally for 10+ years gives you very little motivation to write code once you get home |
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| [12:21:50] | justinh: | oobe: how else will it be improved? not by concientious users |
| [12:22:09] | justinh: | it's a chicked & egg situation anyway |
| [12:22:16] | justinh: | s/chicked/chicken/ |
| [12:22:28] | justinh: | not enough developers & valuable contributors |
| [12:22:44] | justinh: | people are put off contributing because it can take so long for patches to be examined |
| [12:22:48] | justinh: | catch-22 |
| [12:27:41] | justinh: | mythtv 0.21 just works, so there's a big chance I might not upgrade for a long time |
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| [12:29:29] | oobe: | you still using .21 |
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| [12:29:46] | oobe: | that is pretty disiplined |
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| [12:30:02] | justinh: | no real _need_ to upgrade |
| [12:30:35] | justinh: | and if I do upgrade I'll have to make a 16:9 theme which'll work on 800x600 & not annoy the hell out of me |
| [12:31:04] | justinh: | fanart etc.. meh :) |
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| [12:31:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | 800x600? |
| [12:32:07] | justinh: | yes, thanks intel :-( |
| [12:32:38] | justinh: | no custom modes, no wide modes, when you use their TV out |
| [12:32:38] | ivor: | hehe lacking flexible modes justinh ? |
| [12:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | eek! |
| [12:32:59] | justinh: | not that it makes any difference to output quality |
| [12:33:21] | justinh: | you can't get any more out of PAL :) |
| [12:33:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's his NVidia cards... ** | |
| [12:34:05] | justinh: | Dibblah: so V+ .. RIP timestretch & arbitrary skip :( |
| [12:34:19] | justinh: | but it's the only way to get HD on cable, so... |
| [12:34:27] | justinh: | that's another thing.. HD... MEH |
| [12:34:34] | Dibblah: | Don't use timestretch, generally use sticky ffwd. |
| [12:34:43] | justinh: | eew |
| [12:35:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Ya know, at least here in the US, Widescreen LCD Monitors have come way down – like $150usd for a 22" widescreen... I don't have a single High-Def TV, but have widescreen LCD monitors on most of my myth boxes now... |
| [12:35:15] | justinh: | LCD is awful |
| [12:35:38] | justinh: | SDTV on a 32" LCD looks like crap |
| [12:35:43] | justinh: | compared to on a 32" CRT |
| [12:35:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ true – depending on how good the scaling is. |
| [12:36:01] | justinh: | and you can't say "wuh, so just 'get HDTV' because we can't |
| [12:36:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | There no OTA HD where you are? |
| [12:37:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... but I have a Vewsonic N4 Video scaler in my living room that takes S-Video and upscales it to 1024x768 on a 37" CRT monitor – granted, it's not 'HD', but it sure looks 10x better than straight s-video into the monitor... |
| [12:39:46] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: DVB-T2 yay! |
| [12:40:09] | justinh: | and there are only about 4 channels, and there's only about 10 hours worth of HD per day |
| [12:40:19] | justinh: | and I couldn't give a monkeys about HD |
| [12:40:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Ah, so is HD still in it's 'infancy' where you are,or are you just in an area that's got poor coverage? |
| [12:41:11] | justinh: | no, four OTA HD channels is all we're gonna get |
| [12:41:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ouch. |
| [12:41:39] | justinh: | unless you get satellite, where there are more, but they're not FTA |
| [12:42:04] | justinh: | we was robbed, guv |
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| [12:43:07] | justinh: | nah I can see me slowly opting out of teevees altogether |
| [12:43:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ouch. I'm near Boston, so I'm fortunate enough to get all the major networks via OTA HD... |
| [12:43:33] | justinh: | Chris Moyles was having a rant about how slow to start his bluray player is this morning |
| [12:43:49] | justinh: | switch it on, go make a cup of tea. LOL |
| [12:43:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yikes. |
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| [12:44:29] | justinh: | yeah, a recent review of a player said it was 'one of the fastest' at 1 min 45 secs to start playing a disc |
| [12:44:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | With the online streaming available nowadays, it's almost not even necessary to have a TV anymore... |
| [12:44:43] | justinh: | pfft |
| [12:44:49] | justinh: | online streaming sucks monkeys too |
| [12:44:55] | justinh: | digital is rubbish |
| [12:45:07] | justinh: | or at least what we get.. over-compressed junk |
| [12:45:22] | justinh: | and watching on a computer screen. .. meh |
| [12:45:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^yeah... I hear ya. |
| [12:45:47] | justinh: | that's as bad as saying you can only make phone calls from a seat in the hallway ;-) |
| [12:45:57] | ivor: | justin'meldrew'h |
| [12:46:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A only watches on computer screens... but alas, they're hooked to Myth frontends... and I'm on the couch or my bed, etc... ;-) ** | |
| [12:46:21] | justinh: | I like lounging on my couch to watch stuff |
| [12:46:44] | justinh: | I'll be gutted when my CRT TV dies |
| [12:47:17] | justinh: | which hopefully won't before something with comparable response time, brightness & contrast is available |
| [12:48:09] | justinh: | anyway the scalers in TVs are only part of the story. Blow mpeg2 artifacts up in size they're still artifacts |
| [12:48:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'd prefer OLED, but that won't be priced for the average human for quite some time... |
| [12:48:32] | oobe: | xmms2 options include |
| [12:48:33] | oobe: | --yes-run-as-root Give me enough rope to shoot myself in the foot |
| [12:48:40] | justinh: | I don't even *need* a thin tv |
| [12:49:04] | justinh: | I certainly don't want something that pulls 500W from the wall |
| [12:49:25] | ** ivor rolls eyes. ** | |
| [12:49:53] | justinh: | if I were to put the telly in the wrong place though.. i.e. in the corner of the room. sure |
| [12:50:00] | justinh: | or over the fireplace. meh |
| [12:50:26] | justinh: | something not quite natural about having to tilt your head up 30 degrees to watch tv from the sofa |
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| [12:52:25] | simonckenyon: | has anyone tried to run on drizzle or mariadb? |
| [12:52:36] | justinh: | how long ago were we told that flat panel TVs were inferior to CRT in manys but don't worry they'll get better? |
| [12:53:19] | justinh: | simonckenyon: as db servers? mysql or bust still |
| [12:53:39] | justinh: | til hell freezes over |
| [12:54:22] | simonckenyon: | as they are both forks of mysql i would be surprised if they did not – i was just wondering if it was worth it for the extra performance |
| [12:54:50] | justinh: | been mentioned here before, poo-pooed every time. underperforming |
| [12:55:17] | justinh: | what mythtv does with mysql is allegedly too much for anything 'lighter' |
| [12:55:39] | simonckenyon: | ok. will try anyway – what do i have to lose but time |
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| [12:56:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | brain cells and hair. |
| [12:56:16] | simonckenyon: | i have very little of either |
| [12:56:23] | justinh: | no prepared statements. oof |
| [12:56:37] | justinh: | that pretty much means you'll fail from the very start |
| [12:58:15] | justinh: | though mariadb says they're a drop-in replacement. good luck with that |
| [12:59:47] | simonckenyon: | will let you all know |
| [13:01:10] | justinh: | wonder if it's a 'give mythtv the db details & it'll just work as if it was mysql' kind of drop-in replacement |
| [13:02:07] | simonckenyon: | that was what i was planning to do |
| [13:02:35] | justinh: | but even just from a cursory glance at the drizzle page you ain't gonna get that to 'just work' |
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| [13:04:06] | justinh: | a hell of a lot, if not all mythtv database stuff is in prepared queries AFAIK |
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| [13:12:17] | justinh: | heh. look how the UK music industry is dying! http://bit.ly/aWSibo |
| [13:16:15] | oobe: | i have a frontend with 512 ram p4 2.8ghz it runs ok would increasing the ram make it run better though i assume it would but have to ask |
| [13:16:49] | justinh: | wouldn't bother if you want to make it HD |
| [13:17:00] | [Peter]: | oobe: depends on if it's using swap or not |
| [13:17:01] | justinh: | not from a GUI perspective anyway |
| [13:17:29] | oobe: | well it plays ok HD |
| [13:17:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: P4? Probably uses Rambus, no? [eek!] |
| [13:17:43] | oobe: | i dont watch much HD on it anyway |
| [13:18:14] | justinh: | 'HD' meaning 1080i mpeg2 no doubt |
| [13:18:24] | oobe: | but justinh that is what i was thinking about the ease of scroll through with some of the flashier themes |
| [13:18:32] | oobe: | yes 1080i mpeg2 |
| [13:18:47] | oobe: | we dont get h264 broadcasts here |
| [13:18:47] | justinh: | you'll likely need MOAR than that |
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| [13:19:19] | justinh: | ram is dirty bongo cheap now, DDR2 less so |
| [13:19:22] | oobe: | so upgrading ram wont help then with what i want to improve |
| [13:19:26] | justinh: | er DDR I mean |
| [13:19:32] | justinh: | yeah it will |
| [13:19:37] | justinh: | the more ram the better# |
| [13:19:57] | justinh: | if you run a theme with zillions of images at 1080P... that's gonna eat ram |
| [13:20:12] | oobe: | ok cause i can get 2x1gb ddr 400 for it for 62$ on ebay including delivery |
| [13:21:53] | oobe: | im assuming if i get ddr 400 it will underclock it if my system uses ddr 333 |
| [13:22:17] | justinh: | wth kind of muppetry is this?! http://140.211.167.131/wiki/Upload_recording_ . . . the_internet |
| [13:25:05] | oobe: | thats impressive muppetry |
| [13:25:09] | oobe: | when you think about it |
| [13:25:18] | justinh: | stupid muppetry |
| [13:25:31] | justinh: | when you think it goes outside the realms of fair use etc |
| [13:25:44] | oobe: | yes but think about 15 years ago would anyone imagine that was even possible |
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| [13:26:17] | oobe: | im not talking about whether its legal |
| [13:26:29] | justinh: | no, nor would anybody think 15 years ago that somebody on the other side of the world could see such a thing, decide they don't like it & delete the content |
| [13:26:56] | simonckenyon: | it is called slingbox |
| [13:27:14] | justinh: | slingbox only streams |
| [13:27:25] | justinh: | slingbox doesn't move physical recordings |
| [13:28:00] | justinh: | placeshifting has yet to be tested in a court of law, too |
| [13:28:07] | oobe: | i think its very unique thinking |
| [13:28:10] | justinh: | only a matter of time, I expect |
| [13:28:56] | simonckenyon: | looks pretty cool to me – i was trying to find work abroad and was wondering how to do this – now i know |
| [13:29:06] | justinh: | I think it's foolhardy manually manipulating the DB |
| [13:29:12] | justinh: | it's going |
| [13:29:27] | oobe: | you mean off the wiki |
| [13:29:38] | justinh: | I mean off the wiki yes |
| [13:29:57] | oobe: | i saved the page already |
| [13:29:59] | oobe: | :P |
| [13:30:01] | justinh: | til an admin can get rid of it properly |
| [13:30:08] | simonckenyon: | why would you do that? |
| [13:30:18] | oobe: | do what |
| [13:30:27] | simonckenyon: | remove it from the wiki |
| [13:30:31] | justinh: | like I scout round the wiki & do away with every legally dubious activity reference |
| [13:31:00] | oobe: | sounds like you do |
| [13:31:09] | simonckenyon: | so it may be illegal in the UK – who is to say it is illegal in other parts of the world |
| [13:31:25] | simonckenyon: | and it is applicable "within country" |
| [13:31:28] | justinh: | the project (and wiki) is hosted in the US |
| [13:31:47] | justinh: | even fair use doesn't cover this sort of stuff |
| [13:32:12] | simonckenyon: | so multiple clients off a backend is ok? |
| [13:32:42] | simonckenyon: | bring a recording with you while travelling is ok? |
| [13:32:52] | simonckenyon: | but automating is not! |
| [13:33:06] | justinh: | taking a recording with you is one thing |
| [13:33:16] | justinh: | having more than one copy is something else |
| [13:33:23] | [Peter]: | there's nothing saying you're not sharing your myth backend with your neighbours, so I guess all of myth is a bit dubious |
| [13:33:23] | simonckenyon: | and this is exactly the same |
| [13:33:42] | justinh: | I'm not a lawyer, but let's not have to wait til a lawyers comes down & sues the project |
| [13:33:52] | justinh: | gettit now? |
| [13:34:11] | justinh: | ffs even XBMC are trying to distance themselves from people doing dodgy stuff |
| [13:35:18] | justinh: | you want to cover the backs of everybody who's ever contributed to the project? |
| [13:35:23] | simonckenyon: | no – there are chunks of myth which are illegal- libdvdnav, ripping of cds and dvds – removing commercials automatically (if you believe some people) |
| [13:35:28] | justinh: | financially I mean? |
| [13:36:44] | [Peter]: | simonckenyon: even playback of DVDs is probably illegal, considering they're circumventing CSS |
| [13:36:58] | justinh: | mythtv isn't doing anything with CSS |
| [13:37:06] | simonckenyon: | my point exactly |
| [13:37:22] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't even include libdvdnav AFAIK |
| [13:37:23] | simonckenyon: | not doing anoything with css – i think you jest |
| [13:37:39] | justinh: | no, you *need* css libs to play encrippled DVDs |
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| [13:37:49] | justinh: | but mythtv doesn't *provide* it |
| [13:37:56] | justinh: | there' |
| [13:38:00] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [13:38:00] | justinh: | there is the difference |
| [13:38:10] | simonckenyon: | now you are splitting hairs |
| [13:38:19] | justinh: | I'm not |
| [13:38:21] | Beirdo: | what is this? #mythtv-armchair-lawyers? |
| [13:38:38] | justinh: | anyway I enjoy raining on people's parades in the wiki |
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| [13:39:10] | Beirdo: | to my knowledge, mythtv does not play encrypted DVDs at all. i.e. not using the maybe illegal libraries to break CSS. |
| [13:39:25] | Beirdo: | it can play unencrypted content |
| [13:39:46] | Beirdo: | which isn't necessarily illegal at all. For instance, if I make a DVD from my camcorder. |
| [13:40:11] | Beirdo: | that is NOT splitting hairs |
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| [13:40:45] | justinh: | but transferring recordings between machines not part of the household?! that's just crazy |
| [13:40:53] | simonckenyon: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /277498.html |
| [13:41:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, tranferring to anyone BUT yourself... that's illegal in just about every country except maybe China |
| [13:41:30] | justinh: | it's one thing to send a VHS of a show to a friend – but over the internet & it's a whole different kettle of trouble.. especially if you say that you're doing it |
| [13:41:59] | justinh: | Beirdo: you can still get busted for bootlegging in China if you don't pay the cops |
| [13:42:18] | Beirdo: | justinh: heh, that wouldn't surprise me |
| [13:43:08] | Beirdo: | simonckenyon: fine, well.. whatever. anyways, there is a difference between playing your own DVD and sharing |
| [13:43:13] | Beirdo: | a HUGE difference |
| [13:43:39] | justinh: | the key words are 'over the internet' too, which to a clueless judge & lawyers spells dollar signs |
| [13:43:51] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [13:44:02] | justinh: | we cannot be too careful with stuff like this |
| [13:44:07] | justinh: | as much as we might personally hate it |
| [13:44:14] | Beirdo: | me too :( |
| [13:44:17] | [Peter]: | justinh: I guess mythtv running over TCP/IP would be a bit troublesome in itself then |
| [13:44:30] | [Peter]: | justinh: since you easily could set it up on a public IP |
| [13:44:39] | justinh: | it likely wouldn't last long |
| [13:44:42] | justinh: | as in stay up long |
| [13:44:45] | [Peter]: | no, but anyway :) |
| [13:44:53] | [Peter]: | you could set it up to a limited amount of people |
| [13:45:01] | Beirdo: | and you could get this |
| [13:45:04] | Beirdo: | !trout [Peter] |
| [13:45:04] | ** MythLogBot slaps [Peter] with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [13:45:12] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [13:45:13] | justinh: | yeah but you wouldn't get away with putting a howto on the wiki about it |
| [13:45:22] | [Peter]: | Beirdo: thanks :) |
| [13:45:24] | justinh: | because 'company policy' denies it :) |
| [13:45:42] | Beirdo: | thankfully most of us don't have the bandwidth to even consider such nonsense, especially with HD content |
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| [13:47:06] | [Peter]: | Beirdo: 100/100 connections are becoming more and more common here, but yeah. |
| [13:48:08] | Beirdo: | well, if you tried sharing video over it, it would be a non-connection pretty quick. I'm sure |
| [13:48:24] | Beirdo: | ISP TOS and all |
| [13:48:30] | grumpydevil: | question: does Mythtv support IPv6? |
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| [13:48:47] | Beirdo: | grumpydevil: not sure. Why would you need that? |
| [13:48:59] | Beirdo: | you use IPV6 on your LAN? |
| [13:49:00] | grumpydevil: | enabling IPv6 in my network... |
| [13:49:18] | Beirdo: | enabling doesn't mean disabling IPv4 last I heard |
| [13:49:34] | Beirdo: | but not sure |
| [13:49:37] | grumpydevil: | at end of day i hope to have at least IPv6 without DNS but with DHCP running |
| [13:49:56] | Beirdo: | well, you'll be able to tell us, I guess |
| [13:49:57] | grumpydevil: | yes, it will mean dual-stack network with both IPv4 and IPv6 running at the same time |
| [13:50:42] | grumpydevil: | i have too many pieces of equipment that will not support IPv6 (such as many switches) |
| [13:50:53] | grumpydevil: | older printers.. |
| [13:50:58] | [Peter]: | switches? |
| [13:51:04] | [Peter]: | I guess you mean routers |
| [13:51:21] | grumpydevil: | nope, my routers are linux based and DO support |
| [13:51:28] | grumpydevil: | i really meant switches |
| [13:51:36] | Beirdo: | switches don't care about the IP level |
| [13:51:36] | justinh: | heh udo's thread gets ever longer |
| [13:51:43] | [Peter]: | switches are L2 devices, they don't give a rats ass about what you send on L3+ |
| [13:51:50] | Beirdo: | they switch at the MAC level |
| [13:51:50] | grumpydevil: | managed swithes do... |
| [13:52:00] | grumpydevil: | they report on IPv4 |
| [13:52:05] | grumpydevil: | at least mine do |
| [13:52:08] | Beirdo: | heh, well, enjoy |
| [13:52:20] | Beirdo: | massive overkill for home anyways |
| [13:52:36] | grumpydevil: | not if you can generate linespeed loads... which i can |
| [13:52:37] | [Peter]: | Beirdo: perhaps he has a LOT of stuff at home |
| [13:52:40] | justinh: | for people who want to play networking at home? ;) |
| [13:52:47] | Beirdo: | maybe he lives at work :) |
| [13:52:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [13:52:53] | justinh: | the Cisco kid ;) |
| [13:53:02] | grumpydevil: | let's see i moved my lab into my home :) |
| [13:53:10] | grumpydevil: | s/see/say |
| [13:53:28] | grumpydevil: | and pretty much no Cisco stuff, although i know part of their gear |
| [13:53:44] | justinh: | you know what I mean ;-) |
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| [13:54:03] | justinh: | I know a couple of people who practise on home equipment |
| [13:54:22] | justinh: | they prefer real gear to the silly emulator programs |
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| [13:54:43] | grumpydevil: | you can learn a lot that way, and much more then with the emulator stuff |
| [13:54:51] | Beirdo: | I'm half-considering having a 2621 or something later for console access to servers via dialin. |
| [13:55:06] | Beirdo: | but jeez, I don't need excess crap at home :) |
| [13:55:12] | justinh: | heh I'd learn networking if I could be bothered |
| [13:55:20] | justinh: | get myself out of this crappy job |
| [13:55:32] | Beirdo: | take this job and shove it |
| [13:55:37] | justinh: | though not entirely sure IT would be the right way to go ;) |
| [13:55:51] | Beirdo: | I have 4 days left including today and the exit interview day :) |
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| [13:56:14] | justinh: | considering all the outsourcing people do, I could be replaced by somebody with a funny accent ;) |
| [13:56:31] | justinh: | thanks to remote management, IT guys don't even have to be in the same country |
| [13:56:33] | Beirdo: | so move to Mumbai |
| [13:56:35] | jduggan: | like your accent isnt already funny |
| [13:56:41] | jduggan: | youre from newcastle right? :P |
| [13:56:48] | justinh: | not really |
| [13:56:51] | jduggan: | oh |
| [13:56:58] | justinh: | I'm intelligible |
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| [13:57:13] | jduggan: | i was doing to give the compulsory, why eye man |
| [13:57:20] | Beirdo: | if you ask most silly Americans, all you british have funny accents |
| [13:57:25] | justinh: | almost needed an interpreter last weekend when I was up there in newcastle |
| [13:57:33] | jduggan: | lol |
| [13:57:40] | jduggan: | cheryl corl mahn |
| [13:57:40] | justinh: | durham was technically my nearest city |
| [13:57:53] | Beirdo: | of course, people in the deep south really have the funny accent :) |
| [13:58:07] | justinh: | still, rather be thick sounding than mancunian sounding |
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| [13:58:34] | Beirdo: | heh, I spent a WEEK in Tennessee, and came home with an accent |
| [13:58:40] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:58:55] | Beirdo: | good thing I'm moving to Seattle where they sound just like Toronto, basically |
| [13:59:27] | justinh: | I was never a fan of the SF accents I heard when I worked at Sun |
| [13:59:37] | Beirdo: | SF? |
| [13:59:42] | justinh: | san fran |
| [13:59:45] | Beirdo: | they have accents? |
| [14:00:00] | Beirdo: | that's pretty close to Toronto as well, sound-wise |
| [14:00:00] | justinh: | the people I spoke to from there did.. so I kind of assumed... |
| [14:00:14] | justinh: | mind, there were only 3 of em |
| [14:00:19] | Beirdo: | actually, LA and Toronto sound quite similar in English. |
| [14:00:22] | justinh: | so they could've been from anywhere |
| [14:00:43] | Beirdo: | probably due to the many many Canadians that went to Hollywood, and the prevalence of Hollywood movies |
| [14:00:51] | justinh: | for the record, ah divvent soond like ant or dec, man |
| [14:01:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [14:01:29] | justinh: | could be worse. I could be a cockney |
| [14:01:31] | Beirdo: | heck, I can understand Ozzy when he mumbles |
| [14:01:37] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:01:41] | Beirdo: | oh god, yeah. |
| [14:01:56] | justinh: | awww wroight moi saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn! |
| [14:01:57] | Beirdo: | Ozzy's drunken/drugged mumbly accent... |
| [14:02:32] | Beirdo: | Cockney is fun to hear... I wouldn't want a technical conversation though... or something I need to understand perfectly |
| [14:03:22] | Beirdo: | gotta say though. I'm kinda partial to Aussie accents |
| [14:03:24] | justinh: | jewwied eews cockuws and-a welks-aaaaaaaaah |
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| [14:04:07] | justinh: | anyway... no, thank gawd I don't sound like Jimmy Nail |
| [14:04:13] | justinh: | I think I'd kill myself if I did |
| [14:04:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:04:29] | Beirdo: | I sound like... me |
| [14:04:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [14:05:46] | Beirdo: | hey streeter_.. yer flapping |
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| [14:07:51] | Beirdo: | I was going to do something today, and I forget what |
| [14:07:54] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [14:08:02] | justinh: | work? |
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| [14:08:58] | Beirdo: | nah, that's so overrated |
| [14:09:40] | Beirdo: | I guess I could read some vaapi code in ffmpeg or mplayer |
| [14:09:59] | Beirdo: | it seems they have encoding hooks too, but who knows how many backends support that |
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| [14:10:21] | Beirdo: | like hand it a frame, it encodes to H.264/H.263/MPEG4 |
| [14:10:23] | justinh: | no point in that new acceleration stuff. it's nothing but vaapiware |
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| [14:10:41] | ** Beirdo points a trout at justinh :) ** | |
| [14:10:52] | ** j-rod punches soundgraph harder ** | |
| [14:11:05] | Beirdo: | IF something actually supports the encode part, gputrans could be super-sweet |
| [14:11:27] | Beirdo: | heya, j-rod... streeter's having connection issues... :) |
| [14:11:37] | j-rod: | so there are some imon devices with id 0xffdc that support mce protocol *and* some with the same ID that don't. |
| [14:11:48] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [14:11:54] | Beirdo: | way to share an ID |
| [14:12:04] | j-rod: | yup |
| [14:12:17] | j-rod: | plus some 0xffdc devices that are IR, others that are RF |
| [14:12:19] | Beirdo: | smashy smashy |
| [14:12:26] | j-rod: | some that have vfd and some that have lcd |
| [14:12:45] | j-rod: | but on the bright side, I now have two different 0xffdc devices in my hands |
| [14:12:48] | Beirdo: | there's no secondary ID? |
| [14:13:10] | j-rod: | there's got to be *something* the windows driver looks at to figure out the actual capabilities of the device |
| [14:13:26] | Beirdo: | yeah, you'd think so |
| [14:13:39] | justinh: | try try try try try – bus error. Ah, it's not one of them then ;-) |
| [14:13:48] | j-rod: | ha |
| [14:14:07] | justinh: | never underestimate :) |
| [14:14:15] | Beirdo: | just try not to probe the self-destruct location |
| [14:14:29] | Beirdo: | the "release magic smoke" register |
| [14:14:30] | j-rod: | amusingly, we actually *do* find an outbound endpoint on the 0xffdc device that has no display and doesn't support mce mode |
| [14:14:42] | j-rod: | what's it used for? jack shit. |
| [14:14:44] | j-rod: | sigh. |
| [14:15:07] | justinh: | in this company I'd say "so what does the datasheet say?" |
| [14:15:08] | Beirdo: | how far do these devices fly? |
| [14:15:22] | j-rod: | I'd hire thugs to send to soundgraph headquarters, but they already at least partially wised up with the newer (current) generation of imon stuff |
| [14:15:43] | Beirdo: | just wind up and try a fastball... right into the wall |
| [14:15:43] | justinh: | they're mondo expensive for what they are, those things |
| [14:15:46] | j-rod: | still might not be a bad idea though... |
| [14:15:52] | Beirdo: | "sorry, your device no longer works" |
| [14:15:57] | j-rod: | I've asked several times through multiple channels for *some* sort of support |
| [14:16:28] | justinh: | all they have to do is provide a register listing or summat isn't it? |
| [14:16:48] | justinh: | then again never matters how little they have to do if they won't |
| [14:16:55] | j-rod: | even saying "hey, I'm working on the linux driver for your devices so you can sell more units, because linux htpc people keep buying your stuff. can you help me out with a shred of info?" |
| [14:17:02] | j-rod: | radio silence |
| [14:17:14] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [14:17:19] | j-rod: | wankers |
| [14:17:19] | justinh: | tried phoning? |
| [14:17:36] | justinh: | email is dead easy to dismiss |
| [14:17:42] | Beirdo: | "hey, I just contacted your competitors, and they gave me full info. I will recommend all linux users buy their gear" |
| [14:17:46] | j-rod: | that's crazy talk. admittedly, no. |
| [14:18:02] | justinh: | worth a shot |
| [14:18:19] | j-rod: | several different email addresses and their online support request form (multiple times) |
| [14:18:19] | justinh: | I've found loads of companies to be absolute crap at dealing with by email |
| [14:18:24] | Beirdo: | probably get routed to India, but... |
| [14:18:36] | j-rod: | some of their distributors at least replied to mail |
| [14:18:41] | justinh: | bah they probably get filed to /dev/null cos they don't fit a script |
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| [14:19:03] | j-rod: | I may try the phone route |
| [14:19:18] | j-rod: | though by this point, I think I've already figured out 99% of how the thing works |
| [14:19:21] | Beirdo: | or "who's this RedHat? never heard of the! delete" |
| [14:19:28] | Beirdo: | them |
| [14:19:41] | justinh: | ironically last tech support I spoke to was more or less Noritake Itron |
| [14:19:52] | justinh: | and guess what they make ;-) |
| [14:20:40] | Beirdo: | funky names? |
| [14:20:56] | justinh: | VFDs :) |
| [14:21:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:21:04] | justinh: | the actual displays |
| [14:21:27] | Beirdo: | speaking of funky... I wish I could find those Jamiroquai CDs I bought when I was in Toronto |
| [14:21:39] | Beirdo: | I bet they are in my shed o' stuff at my dad's |
| [14:21:43] | justinh: | just put one on repeat all day :D |
| [14:21:57] | Beirdo: | they are 4000km away |
| [14:22:00] | justinh: | (I mean one track) |
| [14:22:04] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [14:22:07] | Beirdo: | no thanks |
| [14:22:32] | justinh: | I've never bought any of his albums cos all the singles he's done are pretty much all the same |
| [14:22:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, but there is variety on the albums |
| [14:22:54] | Beirdo: | similar, sure |
| [14:23:02] | Beirdo: | but not the same.. |
| [14:23:07] | justinh: | might check em out |
| [14:23:14] | justinh: | big fan of space cowboy still |
| [14:23:22] | Beirdo: | kinda like Aerosmith is sometimes, a lot of similarity, but variety |
| [14:23:31] | Beirdo: | different genre of course |
| [14:23:38] | justinh: | myers :) |
| [14:23:48] | Beirdo: | oooh, I could deal with some Van Halen |
| [14:23:49] | justinh: | and big hat as opposed to big mouth :) |
| [14:23:56] | Beirdo: | all the CDs are packed though |
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| [14:24:09] | justinh: | spot.ify ? ;-) |
| [14:24:19] | justinh: | ah. bet you don't have that where you are |
| [14:24:24] | j-rod: | haha, Jamiroquai. some very clueless dj in ukiah, ca referred to him "…and that was virtual insanity by jam-a-rocky..." |
| [14:24:38] | Beirdo: | j-rod: hahah |
| [14:24:41] | jduggan: | lmfao |
| [14:24:57] | Beirdo: | justinh: I do have some streaming radio stuff on the iPhone... last.fm, here I come |
| [14:25:18] | Beirdo: | they block it on the network, but I have 3G :) |
| [14:26:30] | Beirdo: | wish my cow-workers would shuddup :) |
| [14:27:26] | Beirdo: | how do you say "moo" in Spanish? |
| [14:27:34] | Beirdo: | heh, I don't think they'd get it |
| [14:28:05] | Beirdo: | OK, this is odd |
| [14:28:08] | Beirdo: | jazz-rap?! |
| [14:28:56] | Beirdo: | Us3... I told last.fm to stream the "jamiroquai radio" channel... which may end up with ONE of their songs eventually |
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| [14:30:50] | iamlindoro: | Guess he was right about me |
| [14:31:01] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs as he knew that was gonna happen... ;-) ** | |
| [14:31:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:31:46] | iamlindoro: | It'ws one thing to slip, it's another to tempt fate |
| [14:32:02] | iamlindoro: | by specifically highlighting my name while breaking the channel rules |
| [14:32:16] | dougt: | on the trunk, i am seeing "Video frame buffering failed too many times." dialogs when fastforwarding or rewinding Recordings. Searching Trac didn't show the exact problem. Should I file a new bug, or is anyone aware of the problem? |
| [14:32:34] | dougt: | on the console, i see "NVP(2): Prefetching wait timed out of x times." dozens of times. |
| [14:32:43] | dougt: | where x is a # |
| [14:33:02] | Beirdo: | hahah, I didn't scroll back far enough |
| [14:33:13] | Beirdo: | or I woulda spared you the trouble, sorry |
| [14:34:35] | iamlindoro: | Nah, it's not a big deal, it's funny because I would have just glared at him had be not made a point of poking at me |
| [14:34:45] | iamlindoro: | (and/or not noticed at all) |
| [14:34:55] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [14:35:05] | Beirdo: | note to others... don't poke the hibernating bear |
| [14:35:12] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:35:13] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
| [14:35:13] | j-rod: | Beirdo: a week in TN and you picked up an accent? dude. I lived there for 2 years. |
| [14:35:32] | Beirdo: | j-rod: yeah, one week, and I sounded like a friggin southerner |
| [14:35:33] | iamlindoro: | Worked with Mark's OSD branch last night, that guy is amazing |
| [14:35:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/AL-osd-icon.png |
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| [14:35:57] | iamlindoro: | he's made monstrous progress |
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| [14:36:40] | Beirdo: | o right. no can visit that site. stupid anal firewall. personal site... blech |
| [14:36:50] | iamlindoro: | ah, heh, that's dumb |
| [14:37:07] | iamlindoro: | Oh well, just five minutes worth of work on an Arclight OSD |
| [14:37:16] | Beirdo: | it is. not to worry, I'll just look at it later :) |
| [14:37:34] | ** Beirdo parks his die-cast Porsche 911 in the box ** | |
| [14:37:48] | justinh: | wow, looks like video playback on my intel laptop |
| [14:37:51] | justinh: | tearing! :)( |
| [14:38:08] | iamlindoro: | tearing only in the screenshot |
| [14:38:10] | justinh: | nice OSD though |
| [14:38:13] | justinh: | yeah I figured |
| [14:38:16] | iamlindoro: | not quite sure why it appeared there |
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| [14:38:26] | Beirdo: | dumb luck |
| [14:40:12] | Beirdo: | no idea why I'm in a funky mood today (music-wise). |
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| [14:42:10] | Beirdo: | kinda a 70s vibe or something. not quite disco though :) |
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| [14:45:04] | tmkt: | morning |
| [14:45:06] | Beirdo: | oh nice. |
| [14:45:22] | Beirdo: | the people writing va-api have some nice example code :) |
| [14:46:34] | Beirdo: | http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/hwdecode-demos/ |
| [14:46:47] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, I've been pretty impressed with the ammount of work Mark has put into the OSD branch – he seems like he really knows what he's doing |
| [14:47:17] | Beirdo: | and because we're letting him work without much interruption, he seems to be doing well |
| [14:47:22] | skd5aner: | I love to see someone like that hammer away at something so intently in myth |
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| [14:55:32] | j-rod: | Beirdo: yeah, gwenole even has some crystalhd example code in the latest version of that |
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| [14:55:38] | j-rod: | keep meaning to poke at it |
| [14:55:45] | Beirdo: | j-rod: so I see |
| [14:56:01] | Beirdo: | this could make for a nice basis for both myth and gputrans |
| [14:56:42] | Beirdo: | I'm just hoping that SOMETHING supports the encoding part of vaapi as well :) |
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| [14:56:54] | Beirdo: | as then I'll be quite happy |
| [14:57:14] | Beirdo: | but finding information is like trying to get blood from a stone |
| [14:57:25] | Beirdo: | or more money from my current employer |
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| [14:59:18] | Beirdo: | oooh sweet. |
| [14:59:27] | j-rod: | wow. fail. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360universalremote/ |
| [14:59:31] | Beirdo: | there are patches to do va_fglext |
| [14:59:34] | j-rod: | click on a product image |
| [14:59:41] | j-rod: | "please install silverlight!" |
| [14:59:43] | j-rod: | um. no. |
| [14:59:45] | Beirdo: | i.e. ATI drivers |
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| [15:06:19] | AndyCap: | j-rod: I didn't need silverlight, but I don't have javascript either. |
| [15:06:42] | Beirdo: | j-rod: yeah, I'll pass on silverlight :) |
| [15:06:53] | j-rod: | I do have js, that probably cascaded into the 'please install silverlight' popup. |
| [15:07:42] | AndyCap: | http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/EBB09BE5-C7A . . . oteLR043.jpg I dunno though |
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| [15:08:20] | AndyCap: | got that weird xbox button that looks like a directional control |
| [15:11:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have one of those remotes – came with my XBox 360 HD-DVD player... |
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| [15:43:24] | Beirdo: | so who was it again that said there would be no vaapi support for crystalhd? |
| [15:43:33] | Beirdo: | who ever it was... yer wrong. |
| [15:44:07] | wagnerrp: | they were saying thats now how it would be handled in mythtv |
| [15:44:10] | Beirdo: | not sure how MUCH support there will be :) |
| [15:44:19] | Beirdo: | but it's already being worked in |
| [15:44:26] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: jann eg said that ti didn't make sense to use vaapie for it |
| [15:44:27] | wagnerrp: | and i think that was the person contracted to write the driver |
| [15:44:32] | iamlindoro: | and he's the one writing the ffmpeg decoder for it |
| [15:44:50] | Beirdo: | well, someone should tell splitted-desktop that :) |
| [15:45:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:45:25] | Beirdo: | anyways, he's probably right, not necessarily the best way to use it |
| [15:45:32] | Beirdo: | but there ya go |
| [15:46:03] | Beirdo: | I personally would like to see a single API for all HW decoding |
| [15:46:04] | iamlindoro: | Don't think he ever said there wouldn't be VAAPI access, just that it wasn't the right way to use it |
| [15:46:25] | Beirdo: | I don't care if it's VAAPI or whatever, just one common way |
| [15:46:34] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [15:46:42] | Beirdo: | OK, maybe I misunderstood then :) |
| [15:47:21] | Beirdo: | I'd like to be able to (for gputrans to start) decode and maybe even encode.. in the GPU. |
| [15:47:36] | Beirdo: | then rework that into mythtranscode at some point |
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| [15:49:20] | Beirdo: | we shall see :) |
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| [15:52:43] | Beirdo: | I need to go through gputrans with a pitchfork, and dung it out |
| [15:52:50] | Beirdo: | all the old Cg code, etc |
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| [15:58:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm having a problem with mythtv channel scan in that it seems to be able to get a signal lock, but can't find any channels on that frequency. |
| [15:58:28] | iamlindoro: | So it doesn't..... "angage" |
| [15:58:34] | iamlindoro: | engage |
| [15:58:37] | iamlindoro: | har har har |
| [15:58:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm using a HVR-1100 |
| [15:58:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | very funny :P |
| [15:59:02] | iamlindoro: | If only it would make it so |
| [15:59:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and dvb-scan can pull off all the PIDs fine, as can VLC> |
| [15:59:16] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | There are 4 lights. |
| [15:59:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:59:50] | iamlindoro: | Cap_J_L_Picard: Have you tried turning both the signal and tuning timeouts way up? |
| [15:59:58] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yes |
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| [16:00:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm getting signal lock though |
| [16:00:22] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and the tuning one is at 6 seconds now... |
| [16:00:28] | iamlindoro: | Tried turning on/off the encryption test? |
| [16:00:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | oh... |
| [16:01:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | urm... not totally working... |
| [16:01:42] | iamlindoro: | James T Kirk wouldn't have had this problem |
| [16:01:50] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I found 6 pids, so that'll be BBC 1, 2, 3, CBBC and BBC News (also BBC Red Button). |
| [16:01:51] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [16:02:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but not the second transponder... |
| [16:02:03] | iamlindoro: | he'd just look smokily at it, smash it with both fists at once, and it would work if it knew what was good for it |
| [16:02:09] | wagnerrp: | he also had a magical scotsman |
| [16:02:13] | iamlindoro: | and it'd be ANALOG, baby |
| [16:02:22] | _abbenormal: | in good form today i see iamlindoro |
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| [16:02:47] | ** iamlindoro is smarmy today ** | |
| [16:02:50] | iamlindoro: | lack of sleep |
| [16:03:06] | _abbenormal: | hey been there myself a few times |
| [16:03:18] | _abbenormal: | later dude have fun |
| [16:04:32] | iamlindoro: | seeya |
| [16:04:48] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | iamlindoro: thanks, seems to be working to a degree now... |
| [16:04:52] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [16:05:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | got mythfilldatabase to run, and doing the XMLTV grab... |
| [16:05:35] | iamlindoro: | Just send your check to c/o J. Tiberius Kirk, 1000 Rue Iowa, City on the Edge of Forever |
| [16:08:13] | wagnerrp: | man, look at all these wiki pages that finally got someone to work on this morning |
| [16:09:21] | iamlindoro: | I liked the "steps" for the cablecard tuner |
| [16:09:33] | iamlindoro: | Paraphrasing: |
| [16:09:35] | iamlindoro: | 1) Get card |
| [16:09:43] | iamlindoro: | 2) get someone to write me a driver for it in linux |
| [16:09:47] | wagnerrp: | actually, i was talking about the spam |
| [16:09:51] | iamlindoro: | 3) Get someone to figure out the cablecard pairing process |
| [16:10:03] | iamlindoro: | 4) figure out how to hack and decrypt the for-pay stuff |
| [16:10:13] | iamlindoro: | 5) iamlindoro deletes page |
| [16:10:22] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, i figured that page wouldnt still be around by the time i work up |
| [16:11:06] | Beirdo: | #5 is the most important step :) |
| [16:11:07] | iamlindoro: | we should just get you wiki admin rights |
| [16:11:46] | iamlindoro: | xris: If you are hanging around and felt like giving wagnerrp (and sphery, and others?) wiki deletion rights, we could probably always use more people able to do it |
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| [16:23:03] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I can watch live TV in MythTV :) |
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| [16:23:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | now to figure out why the program guide is blank.... |
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| [16:25:38] | justinh: | should put the word out some more about the 2k/8k problem in the UK |
| [16:26:31] | justinh: | i.e. people using too old a version of mythtv are gonna have serious trouble scanning for channels come the digital switchover date |
| [16:26:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | And we have trouble before hand too... |
| [16:26:58] | justinh: | i.e. they just won't find any channels once analogue is switched off |
| [16:27:45] | justinh: | the full scanner is a bit flaky in my experience, and I spent ages trying to find out why |
| [16:27:57] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I used channels.conf in the end... |
| [16:28:08] | justinh: | some people with some hardware have no problems.. namely the devs... |
| [16:28:09] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | generated by dvbscan. |
| [16:28:25] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | still got no program data... |
| [16:28:28] | justinh: | but some stuff is a cow to make work with the auto scanner for some reason |
| [16:28:37] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: planning to use over the air data? |
| [16:28:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | although XMLTV radio times data did show up... |
| [16:28:50] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | both |
| [16:28:55] | justinh: | both for what? |
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| [16:29:02] | justinh: | you can't use both for the same channels |
| [16:29:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I told it to use XMLTV with EIT updates |
| [16:29:12] | justinh: | oh no no no no no |
| [16:29:15] | justinh: | you cannae do that |
| [16:29:30] | justinh: | much breakage will ensue |
| [16:29:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: it was a box on the Radio times page... |
| [16:29:48] | justinh: | what radio times page? |
| [16:29:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | in myth-setup |
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| [16:29:59] | justinh: | you can't mix sources |
| [16:30:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the XMLTV set to Radio Times |
| [16:30:06] | justinh: | for one thing program names vary |
| [16:30:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm not. |
| [16:30:16] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the source gave me the option... |
| [16:30:39] | justinh: | is this some new fangled 0.23 thing I've not heard about? |
| [16:30:56] | justinh: | last I heard was somebody was gonna try making it work but they never did get round to it |
| [16:31:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | 0.22_p23069 |
| [16:31:06] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | might be... |
| [16:31:08] | justinh: | nah |
| [16:31:18] | justinh: | the config might let you but you shouldn't |
| [16:31:18] | iamlindoro: | It's probably just a misinterpretation |
| [16:31:38] | iamlindoro: | You can use EIT, or you can use XMLtv, but within a single source, not both |
| [16:31:39] | justinh: | it'll get broken all kinds of ways if you do that |
| [16:31:48] | iamlindoro: | that's not to say that you can't turn both on-- just that it won't work right |
| [16:31:50] | justinh: | wish we could, but we can't. yet |
| [16:31:55] | sphery: | s/within a single source/on a single channel/ |
| [16:32:23] | iamlindoro: | and yes, you are highlighting a usability issue that shoudl get dealt with, and while we rewrite the setup, it will be |
| [16:32:25] | sphery: | You can mark a video source as EIT-enabled, then unmark EIT for each channel for which you have XMLTV data |
| [16:32:31] | justinh: | I'm tempted just to go with EIT. getting ragged off with programmes starting/ending at weird times |
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| [16:33:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I rather hope somebody can see their way to figure out how to update start/end times with EIT *and* still use xmltv. that'd be kinda nice |
| [16:33:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: AFAIK, that won't help any... |
| [16:33:50] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: the starttimes are updated on the fly & apparently it 'just works' |
| [16:33:53] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | http://ewanm89.co.uk/Screenshot-MythTV%20Setup.png |
| [16:34:06] | iamlindoro: | justinh: It'd be nice, but probably won't happen as part of the setup rewrite (just a guess) |
| [16:34:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I ticked the box... |
| [16:34:26] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: don't tick the box |
| [16:34:47] | justinh: | it's a feature which shouldn't be possible now |
| [16:35:01] | justinh: | it is, but only because nobody got around to making it impossible |
| [16:35:08] | iamlindoro: | Cap_J_L_Picard: That's what sphery was referring to-- you *can* mix EIT and XML on a source, but not on a *channel* |
| [16:35:37] | iamlindoro: | meaning you use your XMLtv source for some channels, and take up the slack on the others with EIT if your source doesn't provide them-- and it requires more manual setup thereafter |
| [16:35:38] | justinh: | all kinds of things can go wrong if you have xmltv data overwritten by what comes over the air |
| [16:36:03] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | okay, I'll just use xmltv then... |
| [16:36:08] | justinh: | configuring xmltv with digital sources is still too much of a pain but I've not thought of a better way to do it yet |
| [16:36:10] | sphery: | Cap_J_L_Picard: so, once you check "Perform EIT Scan" on a video source, you /must/ disable it individually on /every/ channel (using the Channel Editor) for which you use XMLTV. |
| [16:36:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but it was still surprising blank... |
| [16:36:20] | sphery: | Really, though, you're best off with just one or the other |
| [16:36:56] | justinh: | sphery: I dunno how well the program table would cope with insertions of new programs close to old ones if starttimes change |
| [16:37:14] | justinh: | probably not well, and it'll likely end in broken recordings |
| [16:37:30] | sphery: | If you have it on the same channel, it fails spectacularly |
| [16:37:53] | iamlindoro: | It'll Beverly Crusher your program data |
| [16:37:54] | sphery: | if each channel is either XMLTV or EIT (so there's no changes to XMLTV data), it works fine |
| [16:37:56] | iamlindoro: | go ahead, give it a Troi |
| [16:37:59] | sphery: | Cap_J_L_Picard: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1770 |
| [16:38:03] | sphery: | someone feels that's a bug |
| [16:38:11] | sphery: | I, however, see it as a feature request |
| [16:38:14] | sphery: | (that should be closed) |
| [16:38:34] | justinh: | theoretically with only EIT on DVB channels in the UK you should never have a missed recording due to early starts or overruns. assuming the EIT data itself if properly updated |
| [16:38:46] | justinh: | s/if/is/ |
| [16:38:56] | sphery: | and, even if they add the functionality, anyone in their right mind would stay far, far away from it |
| [16:39:15] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure some Enterprise-ing fellow could figure it out |
| [16:39:18] | justinh: | we could possibly scheme up some hacks, but they'd be hacks |
| [16:39:19] | sphery: | as it will just make dup matching, etc fail\ |
| [16:39:27] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: why can't we use the nearest 7 days with IET and have the rest XMLTV |
| [16:39:29] | justinh: | like do fuzzy matching on titles |
| [16:39:44] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and yeah, fuzzy match the titles. |
| [16:39:44] | justinh: | you can't because of the way the program table is made up |
| [16:39:47] | sphery: | Cap_J_L_Picard: on the bright side, any listings more than 7 days out are virtually worthless |
| [16:40:07] | sphery: | as schedule changes occure /very/ frequently |
| [16:40:16] | justinh: | not here sphery |
| [16:40:23] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | not in the UK |
| [16:40:32] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | especially on the main channels. |
| [16:40:36] | sphery: | well, whatever, "Why can't it?" is a feature request without a patch |
| [16:40:41] | justinh: | problem with EIT is the lack of verbosity in the description |
| [16:40:47] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | hell, they probably have the christmas schedule already... |
| [16:40:47] | justinh: | and no movie ratings |
| [16:41:00] | justinh: | and no subtitles |
| [16:41:08] | sphery: | they publish schedules 4+mos ahead around here |
| [16:41:20] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I was joking |
| [16:41:23] | sphery: | but, on a day-to-day basis, nothing >1wk from today is safe from changes |
| [16:41:29] | justinh: | but the advantage here is that the descriptions aren;t very verbose on EIT :D |
| [16:41:38] | justinh: | and there are never any spoilers in said descriptions |
| [16:42:41] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but anyway, the only times our schedules are altered within a few weeks is sports events running over and stuff... |
| [16:42:56] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and that's usually not known till the day... |
| [16:43:24] | justinh: | so, if you ran the xmltv config stuff & then ran mythfilldatabase you'll have duplicate channels in mythtv |
| [16:43:35] | justinh: | one set will work & you can tune to em.. but they have no guide data |
| [16:43:48] | justinh: | and the other will be fully populated with data & will be otherwise useless |
| [16:44:10] | justinh: | gotta figure out how to reconcile those intelligently & transparently to the end user somehow |
| [16:46:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | that's why I've deleted all channels... |
| [16:47:17] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | now, time to fight for it to scan sensibly |
| [16:48:36] | justinh: | arghhh MF'ing Vista |
| [16:49:13] | sphery: | Cap_J_L_Picard: it's just a matter of setting the xmltvid on all the scanned in channels that you're using XMLTV with /before/ you run mythfilldatabase |
| [16:49:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm going all to EIT at the moment... |
| [16:52:19] | skd5aner: | haha, I like this item in the latest nvidia driver changelog: "Increased the maximum number of slices supported by VDPAU for MPEG-2 streams, in order to cope with the region 1 DVD "A Christmas Story". |
| [16:52:23] | skd5aner: | fairly specific :) |
| [16:52:42] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | very specific... |
| [16:53:17] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the question is, what the hell are they doing that requires that specific DVD to be handled differently... |
| [16:53:18] | skd5aner: | Dear nvidia – please fix VDPAU so I can watch a Christmas Story. I double dog dare yoU! |
| [16:53:38] | skd5aner: | Oh No! Not the dreaded double-dog dare! |
| [16:54:07] | skd5aner: | (yes, that's a reference from the movie) |
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| [16:54:38] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | still just lots of Unknown in the program guide... |
| [16:56:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: that sounds exactly like the change log for the old Dxr3 DVD Decoder cards... |
| [16:56:44] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | hmm, why do I have a blank program guide... |
| [16:56:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: any time you have software implemented in hardware + firmware + drivers to decode real-world, you end up having stuff like that... |
| [16:57:02] | sphery: | or, you can just use ffmpeg... :) |
| [16:57:30] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: even with EIT data it can take a while to be populated |
| [16:57:46] | justinh: | whee the SD card I thought I'd lost has shown up in the washing machine. and it still works |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [16:58:09] | Beirdo: | #8264 sure was a steaming turd |
| [16:58:18] | vbman2: | does anyone know why the ablity to add icons to shows is removed by mythweb' |
| [16:58:27] | justinh: | icons to shows? :-O |
| [16:58:38] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | sphery: but if the video stream on the dvd was to the MPEG standard the decoder shouldn't need anything special... |
| [16:58:54] | justinh: | muh muh muh standard, spec.. BLAH |
| [16:58:59] | justinh: | doesn't mean *jack* |
| [16:59:00] | sphery: | "MPEG Standard" :) |
| [16:59:01] | iamlindoro: | as I said yesterday, shows don't have icons, channels do |
| [16:59:06] | justinh: | they all do weird stuff |
| [16:59:13] | sphery: | Just meaning there's a lot of ambiguity |
| [16:59:15] | justinh: | you can still buy DVDs you can't play in some players man |
| [16:59:26] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: Every solid state drive I've washed still works... |
| [16:59:26] | sphery: | and no one in the whole world does it properly in the wild :) |
| [16:59:41] | justinh: | even with bluray there are players which need updates to cope with new discs |
| [16:59:47] | justinh: | this madness has to STOP |
| [16:59:54] | Beirdo: | yes it does |
| [16:59:59] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | sphery: Yeah, then the decoders should not give them special treatment, then they'll learn... |
| [17:00:00] | sphery: | Cap_J_L_Picard: MythTV actually probably has the best player for world TV broadcasts /because/ of all the workarounds we have in the software |
| [17:00:02] | justinh: | but as sure as eggs are eggs, it never will |
| [17:00:02] | Beirdo: | back to VHS :) |
| [17:00:24] | justinh: | Beirdo: there's nothing as playable as VHS. unless you have an old TV |
| [17:00:33] | skd5aner: | There isn't really an official "DVD governing body" – believe it or not |
| [17:00:38] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the media is going the same way the web went 10 years ago... |
| [17:00:39] | justinh: | some TVs couldn't cope with macrovision |
| [17:00:43] | skd5aner: | unlike CDs, where there was |
| [17:00:44] | sphery: | Cap_J_L_Picard: that would be nice... unfortunately, cable co's don't mind if you can't use your computer to play back the content they send--it just means you have to buy/rent their set-top box |
| [17:00:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:00:53] | skd5aner: | I read a really interesting artcile a few years back about that... |
| [17:00:53] | Beirdo: | macrocraption |
| [17:00:53] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: you mean messed up all to hell? :-O |
| [17:01:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | with IE doing this and that just to mess things up. |
| [17:01:08] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: basically... |
| [17:01:16] | justinh: | heck even SATA is a victim of it |
| [17:01:27] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | closer to 15 years ago... |
| [17:01:41] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | ACPI always been problematic there too... |
| [17:01:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: but there /is/ a DVD Copy Control Association... Obviously they have their priorities in order! |
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| [17:02:33] | skd5aner: | sphery: haha, yup ::eyeroll:: |
| [17:02:41] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | sphery: yeah, but they are pointless anyway, since DVD Jon... |
| [17:02:41] | Beirdo: | gimme that keyboard! |
| [17:03:05] | justinh: | if dvd jon ever repeats what he did he'll do bird time |
| [17:03:17] | justinh: | thank the DMCA for that |
| [17:03:26] | justinh: | infact, the DMCA is partly his fault :) |
| [17:03:31] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [17:03:44] | Beirdo: | DMCA is evil incarnate |
| [17:03:47] | Beirdo: | too bad it's the law |
| [17:04:00] | skd5aner: | I wish I could find that article, it did a great job explaining how they did it "right" for CDs, but it was basically a "unspoken" agreement to how the DVD specs would be governed – basically, they're not |
| [17:04:02] | justinh: | I say partly, personally I blame the fools who decided it was ok to share |
| [17:04:10] | Beirdo: | it wears read and has little horns and a pitchfork |
| [17:04:17] | Beirdo: | red, not read |
| [17:04:46] | justinh: | if there was no need to prevent piracy, there probably wouldn't be so much draconian stuff going on now |
| [17:05:04] | sphery: | skd5aner: right for CD's is a stretch, though... Many "CDs" they sell today don't have the CD Audio logo on them--because distributors decided to ignore the spec and instead used tricks to add copy protection |
| [17:05:07] | Beirdo: | if they didn't rip us off so much, people would feel less need for piracy too |
| [17:05:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Reverse engineering in all situations is legal in the UK if used to make it compatible... |
| [17:05:12] | sphery: | thus the "I can't rip my CD" threads |
| [17:05:29] | justinh: | Cap_J_L_Picard: for now. you ain't seen the digital economy bill |
| [17:05:52] | Beirdo: | the "Bend Over Like An American" bill? |
| [17:06:03] | skd5aner: | Well, the international trade agreements are getting more and more draconian on copyright, IP, and patent protection... it's amazing to see how much priority is now going into that |
| [17:06:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Yeah, I hope that one doesn't go through... |
| [17:06:15] | justinh: | the 'we can stop any website we like if it serves unauthorised content' bill |
| [17:06:18] | Beirdo: | except in China |
| [17:06:33] | justinh: | and the 'if we think you've been sharing copyrighted stuff we can cut off your internet' bill |
| [17:06:40] | Beirdo: | oh wow |
| [17:06:45] | Beirdo: | gotta love law makers |
| [17:07:02] | justinh: | and the 'if somebody can't ask the copyright holder's permission they can transfer ownership' bill |
| [17:07:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | oh, why the hell do I have the copyright shit when I watch a DVD on mythtv in linux? |
| [17:07:17] | Beirdo: | don't shut em down... tax em |
| [17:07:24] | Beirdo: | Cap_J_L_Picard: language, please |
| [17:07:43] | justinh: | I dunno if it's any better than allowing media companies to sue for projected made up money figures |
| [17:07:45] | skd5aner: | I mean, they wouldn't even let Russian join the World Trade Organization (WTO) until they shutdown allofmp3.com |
| [17:07:46] | Beirdo: | why wouldn't the copyright stuff be there? |
| [17:07:57] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: because it's in the video stream and you can't detect that it's there? |
| [17:08:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Beirdo: sorry, but I do have a point... mplayer, xine and vlc can all skip that now... |
| [17:08:17] | justinh: | mythtv can skip it too |
| [17:08:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | kormoc: it's easy to detect, or simpler, detect the menu... |
| [17:08:29] | skd5aner: | sphery: well, I think the licensing and enforcement is just getting way more slack on the CD front – I guess |
| [17:08:34] | Beirdo: | or easier... skip it yourself :) |
| [17:08:39] | justinh: | i.e. CAN SKIP. Not DOES skip automagically |
| [17:08:48] | justinh: | because other methods can and DO fail |
| [17:09:05] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: you don't know what you are skipping, you just guess that it's something the user doesn't want to watch, but there's no way of knowing for usre |
| [17:09:07] | kormoc: | *sure |
| [17:09:28] | justinh: | see the DVD authoring spec ;-) |
| [17:09:33] | justinh: | oh wait.. there isn't one |
| [17:09:34] | Beirdo: | let's skip the main program too. |
| [17:09:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | it's a good bet... |
| [17:09:59] | justinh: | like it's not unknown for languages to be incorrectly marked, but chosen from menus |
| [17:10:02] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and one can override it in vlc... |
| [17:10:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | at a tick of a box... |
| [17:10:14] | justinh: | great. another setting! |
| [17:10:18] | Beirdo: | just find the longest program... and skip it. Nobody wants to watch the movie anyways |
| [17:10:33] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | hehehe |
| [17:10:37] | justinh: | Beirdo: I only go to cinemas for the popcorn anyway |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | justinh: yeah, the popcorn and the ads telling you not to steal movies. |
| [17:11:03] | justinh: | can't remember the last film I actually went to see |
| [17:11:04] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | in this case I only put the DVD in to check it was being decrypted fine anyway... |
| [17:11:23] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | next up, try to figure out remote control... |
| [17:11:33] | justinh: | <3 lirc :D |
| [17:11:34] | Beirdo: | Green Zone. last Friday |
| [17:11:58] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: problem, it doesn't build against this kernel version... |
| [17:12:08] | justinh: | if I have to spend hours getting a numb backside in a nasty chair I'd rather not pay money to do so :) |
| [17:12:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | slight missmatch in some header file... |
| [17:12:23] | justinh: | so get a newer lirc |
| [17:12:23] | Beirdo: | justinh: that's what work's for |
| [17:12:26] | skd5aner: | I actually went to the movies twice last weekend – that's like, unheard of for me |
| [17:12:49] | skd5aner: | special occasions though |
| [17:13:09] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: is with certain options, so if I figure it out right... |
| [17:13:13] | Beirdo: | when's the next Narnia movie coming out? They sure are taking their time |
| [17:13:16] | justinh: | we were gonna see avatar at one point but the whole thought of the sheer length of it.. meh |
| [17:13:19] | skd5aner: | Hot Tub Time Machine & How to Train your Dragon (3D) |
| [17:13:39] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: it's not... Disney said they will not continue the series |
| [17:13:43] | Beirdo: | Avatar was worth it |
| [17:13:53] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: are they INSANE? |
| [17:14:08] | skd5aner: | I would say, probably |
| [17:14:36] | Beirdo: | they made the two lamest books into movies, and are leaving the other 4?! |
| [17:14:49] | Beirdo: | idiots |
| [17:14:52] | skd5aner: | But media companies have done a great job of cancelling some of my favorite shows and movie series in the last 3 years, so... |
| [17:15:28] | Beirdo: | I say it's time to start boycotting all things Disney. |
| [17:15:48] | Beirdo: | oh wait. my fanstasy baseball league is on espn.com... owned by Disney |
| [17:15:52] | Beirdo: | blast |
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| [17:16:49] | skd5aner: | and, in their place, putting in stuff like CSI: Des Moines or NCIS: Minneapolis – because Lord knows we need another Jerry Bruckheimer show :P |
| [17:17:27] | Beirdo: | NCIS: Minneapolis? |
| [17:17:34] | Beirdo: | surely you jest. |
| [17:17:38] | skd5aner: | Yea – it's just a game... |
| [17:17:54] | skd5aner: | 1) Take a show that's an acronymn.... |
| [17:18:01] | Beirdo: | NCIS has no need to be in Minneapolis :) |
| [17:18:02] | skd5aner: | 2) Add random mid-sized city |
| [17:18:09] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | still no program guide data... |
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| [17:18:16] | skd5aner: | 3) Congrats – you've created a Jerry Bruckheimer show for CBS |
| [17:18:21] | Beirdo: | NCIS: Seattle could be cool |
| [17:18:35] | Beirdo: | the Trident sub base being right there |
| [17:18:38] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: No... no it couldn't |
| [17:19:01] | Beirdo: | I like NCIS. so sue me |
| [17:19:21] | Beirdo: | those shows are WAY better than the lame "reality" shows |
| [17:19:43] | kormoc: | Depends on the reality show. Solitary is hilarious |
| [17:19:53] | skd5aner: | I was mocking the fact that they take off original shows Like Jericho or The Unit, and then just replace them with spin-offs. I mean, there's 3 CSIs and 2 NCISs, how original |
| [17:20:21] | Beirdo: | NCIS is already a spinoff of JAG, is it not? |
| [17:20:28] | skd5aner: | ha – yes, good point |
| [17:20:59] | oobe: | nice http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Atom-N330-Nvidia-9400M . . . em3cab9a7e7a |
| [17:21:04] | kormoc: | how original? Tv shows are spin offs of books which are spin offs of reality or imagination... |
| [17:21:20] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Beirdo: yes, but it's better than JAG ever was... |
| [17:21:22] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I don't care about rip-offs, I can about duplicity |
| [17:21:38] | kormoc: | skd5aner: why? |
| [17:21:44] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Beirdo: JAG got cancelled pretty quick... |
| [17:21:53] | Beirdo: | JAG went quite a few seasons |
| [17:22:01] | skd5aner: | kormoc: options and alternatives |
| [17:22:04] | Beirdo: | maybe not in the UK |
| [17:22:11] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: 10 years is pretty quick? |
| [17:22:13] | highzeth: | JAG had a really nice hottie in it tho, cant say the same about NCIS imo =) |
| [17:22:16] | skd5aner: | I mean, honestly – I don't really care /that/ much, there's plenty of other networks |
| [17:22:23] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAG_%28TV_series%29 |
| [17:22:27] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | highzeth: you don't like Abby? |
| [17:22:31] | kormoc: | highzeth++ |
| [17:22:40] | highzeth: | Abby who? |
| [17:22:50] | kormoc: | highzeth: goth techno |
| [17:23:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:23:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Does the forensics |
| [17:23:11] | skd5aner: | It does bug me though, when they take a show I really enjoyed, and replaced it with something that they already have... it shows that they have a lack of creativity and originallity and make the business decision based on show's forumulas that get ratings |
| [17:23:17] | highzeth: | ohh.. no, JAG hottie beats that by miles |
| [17:23:22] | skd5aner: | CSI – #1 show for a while, lets create 2 more... |
| [17:23:34] | skd5aner: | NCIS – #1 show last year, lets create another |
| [17:23:46] | skd5aner: | and since "The Unit" is like #5, let's take it off the air |
| [17:23:53] | kormoc: | skd5aner: and people love it |
| [17:24:03] | skd5aner: | I'm sure you've heard of the Jericho story – with the peanuts? |
| [17:24:29] | Beirdo: | bleh |
| [17:24:30] | skd5aner: | kormoc: hey, they're a business... I get it, but sometimes good quality program suffers for that of ratings |
| [17:24:47] | Beirdo: | I want another 5 Law & Order |
| [17:24:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:24:52] | skd5aner: | that being said, I like most of the Law and Order series |
| [17:24:55] | skd5aner: | not all, but most |
| [17:25:06] | Beirdo: | just rename NBC to Law & Order Network |
| [17:25:09] | kormoc: | if the content creators cared that much, they'd find alternative ways to get it out there |
| [17:25:14] | kormoc: | Dr. Horrible for example |
| [17:25:21] | skd5aner: | SVU and the original – even some of the weird relatity ones that came out like 5 years ago for a season |
| [17:25:26] | kormoc: | SVU++ |
| [17:25:29] | skd5aner: | haha |
| [17:25:30] | kormoc: | Rest-- |
| [17:25:48] | Beirdo: | Ice-T as a cop... so Ironic |
| [17:25:57] | skd5aner: | kormoc: another classic example, Arrested Development |
| [17:26:01] | Beirdo: | so much for his "Cop Killer" song |
| [17:26:20] | kormoc: | Beirdo: being attacked by the ghosts of mars kinda does that to ya |
| [17:26:22] | skd5aner: | HILARIOUS... won "Best Comedy" like 3 years in a row, then it got the ax – ratings |
| [17:26:28] | Beirdo: | Arrested Development.. blech |
| [17:26:30] | skd5aner: | Lots of talk about it going to Showtime, but never did |
| [17:26:47] | Beirdo: | it was funny for a couple shows, then got old (IMHO) |
| [17:26:49] | kormoc: | skd5aner: Yes, and there was never enough fans to fund it to continue on after the fact, and they did try |
| [17:26:55] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: so I like Arrested Development... so sue me |
| [17:26:55] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:27:11] | Beirdo: | but the shows *I* like are still on :) |
| [17:27:30] | skd5aner: | BTW – this is the last season for 24 |
| [17:27:36] | vbman2: | skd5aner quiet |
| [17:27:36] | Beirdo: | GOOD |
| [17:27:40] | vbman2: | i was gonna say that |
| [17:27:45] | skd5aner: | they finally announced it after Monday's show |
| [17:28:05] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: what non-sense do you spend time watching? LOL |
| [17:28:07] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [17:28:07] | justinh: | not gonna get it til it's out on dvd here :-( |
| [17:28:19] | Beirdo: | 24 is best watched on DVD |
| [17:28:23] | skd5aner: | agreed |
| [17:28:25] | justinh: | blimmin Sky :-* |
| [17:28:31] | shan: | hi justinh! |
| [17:28:38] | skd5aner: | justinh: do they ever broadcast it there? Is it delayed? |
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| [17:28:52] | Beirdo: | if Fox ever "cancels" the Simpsons, I will have almost no use for them |
| [17:28:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: whats the phrase? 'if you dont like the marines now, youre gay'? |
| [17:29:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:29:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: huh? never heard anything like that |
| [17:29:16] | wagnerrp: | re: JAG |
| [17:29:22] | Beirdo: | hhehe |
| [17:29:24] | kormoc: | oh heh |
| [17:29:25] | Beirdo: | Yeah |
| [17:29:26] | kormoc: | yeah! |
| [17:29:27] | shan: | i have the debug output of mplayer, is it possible for your to take a look at it and let me know if there is something I could change to get my card to display in colour? |
| [17:29:29] | Beirdo: | for sure |
| [17:29:39] | kormoc: | Bell++++++ |
| [17:29:46] | kormoc: | She can sue me anyday! |
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| [17:30:01] | wagnerrp: | just dont let her try to teach you religion |
| [17:30:11] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:30:18] | justinh: | skd5aner: yeah we get it, on Sky TV :-( |
| [17:30:33] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: you said you like NCIS, do you watch the LA spinoff? |
| [17:30:33] | justinh: | blimmin encrypted protectionist expensive murdo-crud |
| [17:30:45] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: haven't had a chance yet |
| [17:31:05] | highzeth: | I had such a crush on her, still feel the tickle when I think of her. ahhh hehe |
| [17:31:07] | Beirdo: | kormoc++ |
| [17:31:09] | skd5aner: | justinh: ahhh, so you "get" it, just not unencrypted to watch via myth? Do the broadcast it on the same schedule as they do in the US? |
| [17:31:23] | justinh: | more or less |
| [17:31:24] | shan: | how do i post a long debug to this group? |
| [17:31:32] | justinh: | pastebin.ca |
| [17:31:38] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I gave it a 5 episode try, needless to say, I cancelled the recording rule |
| [17:31:42] | shan: | ok |
| [17:31:54] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: your loss :) |
| [17:32:01] | wagnerrp: | if [mythtv.]pastebin.ca is down, any other pastebin will work |
| [17:32:07] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: to each their own... it's a shame, I actually like LL usually |
| [17:32:36] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I've only caught a few epsidoes of the original NCIS over the years – it's not too bad actually |
| [17:32:51] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [17:32:53] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:33:02] | wagnerrp: | his character in NCIS:LA needs to get a bad-mouthed parrot |
| [17:33:08] | Beirdo: | and Abby's fun to watch... not my style though |
| [17:33:10] | shan: | should I use mythtv-user.pastebin.ca? |
| [17:33:21] | wagnerrp: | no, just mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [17:33:22] | skd5aner: | What's the other show, I think it's the FBI who goes after pyschos... |
| [17:33:35] | wagnerrp: | bones? fringe? |
| [17:33:42] | kormoc: | xfiles? |
| [17:33:46] | highzeth: | Fringe aint half bad actually |
| [17:33:48] | shan: | since you say it is down, what should I use now? |
| [17:33:48] | skd5aner: | Nope... I've come to love Fringe though |
| [17:33:56] | skd5aner: | Haven't tried bones yet |
| [17:34:04] | Beirdo: | Bones is fun |
| [17:34:07] | wagnerrp: | any of the other dozens of pastebin-style websites |
| [17:34:09] | kormoc: | shan: pastebin.com pastebin.org etc |
| [17:34:10] | highzeth: | I have very little love or scifi in general, but that show did do something for me |
| [17:34:12] | justinh: | oo I have new FlashForwards to delete without watching |
| [17:34:15] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I tink it's a CBS show I'm thinking of |
| [17:34:19] | shan: | ok, thank you |
| [17:34:22] | highzeth: | s/or/for/ |
| [17:34:27] | kormoc: | Castle++++++ |
| [17:34:34] | skd5aner: | man, Flash Forward has come to be a dissapointment – what bad acting |
| [17:34:34] | highzeth: | I have another failing key on my keyboard |
| [17:34:48] | skd5aner: | it's like, they took a good story line, and pissed on it |
| [17:34:54] | Beirdo: | I miss Junkyard Wars |
| [17:35:07] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I'll have to watch Castle when I get there :) |
| [17:35:21] | highzeth: | Castle is indeed good |
| [17:35:26] | justinh: | skd5aner: it took 3 episodes for that conclusion to come |
| [17:35:49] | highzeth: | I presume its a remake tho since they always ref to it as Castle 2009? |
| [17:35:49] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea – exactly |
| [17:35:53] | justinh: | anything with Jack Davenport in it.. I should've known |
| [17:36:26] | shan: | I have posted my mplayer debug output to http://pastebin.com/NpgEnPrx |
| [17:36:26] | skd5aner: | justinh: I can't seem to completely stop though, I'm trying hard to give it a 5'th chance to redeem itself, the last episode was probably the "best" – but it's all relative |
| [17:36:44] | wagnerrp: | highzeth: no... there is already a show 'Castle'... which is about .... |
| [17:36:47] | wagnerrp: | ...wait for it.... |
| [17:36:49] | wagnerrp: | Castles |
| [17:36:53] | highzeth: | LOL 10–4 ;P |
| [17:36:58] | shan: | please let me know if some one help me have my card working in colour |
| [17:37:11] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: the show I was thinking about was "Criminal Minds" – not too bad, but I don't have a recording rule for it |
| [17:38:02] | skd5aner: | justinh: I think they realized it stunk so bad, so they've tried to shift the story line a bit, speed things up, etc... |
| [17:38:12] | Beirdo: | kormoc: looks interesting. :) I think Castle looks like it's up my line |
| [17:38:50] | kormoc: | Beirdo: Castle made my top 10 fairly rapidly |
| [17:39:02] | justinh: | new Dr Who this weekend. not holding my breath |
| [17:39:07] | Beirdo: | having no TV currently really sucks |
| [17:39:17] | kormoc: | I miss the old new Dr. Who |
| [17:39:41] | kormoc: | Good Ol' David Tenner was great |
| [17:39:43] | skd5aner: | What's Castle about? |
| [17:39:48] | skd5aner: | Heard of it, haven't seen it |
| [17:40:01] | shan: | justinh: would you like to take a look at my post in http://pastebin.com/NpgEnPrx please |
| [17:40:09] | kormoc: | skd5aner: a writer who shadows a homicide detective to get inspiration for his books |
| [17:40:22] | skd5aner: | ABC? |
| [17:40:26] | xris: | skd5aner: http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Wave-Nikki-Richard . . . /1401323820/ |
| [17:40:35] | xris: | (the book written by the character in Castle) |
| [17:40:41] | skd5aner: | you a fan xris? |
| [17:40:42] | wagnerrp: | wait, theyre selling the book? |
| [17:40:42] | kormoc: | skd5aner: I use myth, I don't know channels/times |
| [17:40:49] | wagnerrp: | they WROTE a book? |
| [17:40:52] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: yes, they wrote and are selling the book from the show :) |
| [17:41:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: and working on the sequel to match the next one he's writing as well |
| [17:41:18] | Beirdo: | hehe, interesting concept |
| [17:41:27] | Beirdo: | is the book worth reading? |
| [17:41:27] | kormoc: | awesome concept! |
| [17:41:34] | kormoc: | mixed reviews |
| [17:41:47] | Beirdo: | it fits into my book collection genre well |
| [17:41:49] | skd5aner: | kormoc: lol, I still generally know the network it came from – given the watermark every network/station permanantely places on the broadcast |
| [17:41:54] | kormoc: | some think it's too much like a castle episode, others think it's too little like a castle episodes and others think it's perfect |
| [17:42:12] | xris: | skd5aner: of the show? yes. |
| [17:42:24] | xris: | wagnerrp: hillarious meta for the show, yes. |
| [17:42:30] | xris: | though reviews suggest the book isn't very good |
| [17:42:39] | skd5aner: | Yea, every now and then you'll see fictious based things released like that book, I always love that kind of stuff |
| [17:42:58] | xris: | anyway, the show is great. good acting, lots of humor. |
| [17:43:04] | skd5aner: | xris: cool, I figured since you piped up pretty quick then when I brought it up :) |
| [17:43:05] | xris: | the occasional firefly jab |
| [17:43:16] | Beirdo: | cool, I'll have to see it soon :) |
| [17:43:33] | wagnerrp: | man... his halloween costume was amazing |
| [17:43:34] | kormoc: | xris: I laughed so hard at the halloween one |
| [17:44:29] | xris: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q3pdj9p6yI |
| [17:44:47] | Beirdo: | heh. wish I could use youtube from work |
| [17:44:48] | xris: | "didn't you wear that like 5 years ago?" was funny |
| [17:44:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:44:56] | justinh: | shan: absolutely no clues in that output. you should check dmesg & see what the card is being autodetected as, then look in the ivtv source/docs to find out what the various options are.. yada yada yada |
| [17:44:58] | xris: | Beirdo: iphone...... |
| [17:45:10] | Beirdo: | heh. true... |
| [17:45:40] | Beirdo: | I'll get to it after this stupid conference call |
| [17:45:55] | shan: | justinh: i did look at dmesg and it say Hupaugge PVR 150, I will do a post of the dmesg too and send you the link. |
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| [17:46:20] | kormoc: | shan: you might have better luck in #linuxtv |
| [17:46:22] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: sounds like they block a lot of stuff by proxy/firewall, but you can still use IRC? |
| [17:46:35] | justinh: | shan: but it's *not* a pvr150 card, so the autodetection is probably wrong |
| [17:46:36] | Beirdo: | yes, by being a sneaky bastard. |
| [17:46:42] | noaXess_kubuntu: | hi |
| [17:46:55] | skd5aner: | via port 80 or something? |
| [17:46:57] | justinh: | arghh I thought I had *buntu on invisible |
| [17:47:01] | Beirdo: | 443 |
| [17:47:07] | noaXess_kubuntu: | i get this if i switch toa channel where i get also no live-tv: DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(24607) desired(0) |
| [17:47:16] | Beirdo: | WebShell |
| [17:47:20] | noaXess_kubuntu: | any idea what to change? |
| [17:47:20] | skd5aner: | ah... I was going to say... for all the stuff they block, I would figured IRC wouldn't slip through the cracks |
| [17:47:24] | justinh: | noaXess_kubuntu: you need to rescan then :) |
| [17:48:07] | Beirdo: | just over 20h left here... |
| [17:48:11] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [17:48:27] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | how many hours should I wait to see if it manages to get EIT data... |
| [17:48:47] | justinh: | just tell it 'make it so' & it'll do it |
| [17:48:58] | shan: | i guess you are right! it is a aver media card and the vendor/device id: [4444:0016] |
| [17:49:12] | shan: | the posting of a part of dmesg is at http://pastebin.com/7Ru8tehd |
| [17:49:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: it should have got some data in 45 minutes... |
| [17:49:18] | Beirdo: | Cap_J_L_Picard: dunno the answer, but I'd bet < 1h |
| [17:49:23] | justinh: | shan: only going by what *you* told me in the first place |
| [17:49:58] | justinh: | anyway I'm reluctant to help any more, I explained why earlier |
| [17:50:20] | shan: | ok sorry to bother you. |
| [17:50:53] | Beirdo: | quiero cerveza |
| [17:53:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro: good spot on the naughty naughty page btw |
| [17:53:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Which, the cablecard one? |
| [17:53:29] | justinh: | just looked to see if it'd gone already, only so much I can do with junk like that |
| [17:53:31] | iamlindoro: | The other one you spotted :) |
| [17:53:57] | justinh: | I'm like a total killjoy :) |
| [17:54:05] | Beirdo: | yay! |
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| [17:54:20] | ** Beirdo high-fives justinh. That's the spirit ** | |
| [17:54:32] | justinh: | muhahah |
| [17:54:39] | dustybin: | i finally made my mind up for future backend server box, this box will around around 45W http://paste.debian.net/66807/plain/66807 |
| [17:54:39] | justinh: | aka buzz killington |
| [17:55:17] | justinh: | around around? |
| [17:55:22] | justinh: | you get around? |
| [17:55:24] | justinh: | you slag! |
| [17:55:28] | dustybin: | :P |
| [17:55:56] | dustybin: | *idle |
| [17:56:03] | justinh: | still though, 45W times 24 hours times 0.12 times 365.. sky is cheaper |
| [17:56:08] | dustybin: | haha |
| [17:56:51] | dustybin: | actually i was wrong |
| [17:56:53] | dustybin: | 'Well – all up and running. Right now it is idling on the desktop. I have it at 34–35w total draw' |
| [17:56:58] | dustybin: | :D |
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| [17:57:12] | justinh: | I need a draw |
| [17:57:16] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: I'm sure I am not alone when I say that the daily list of things you are going to buy is getting old |
| [17:57:24] | iamlindoro: | or rather, "buy" |
| [17:58:15] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: that goes with everything else, H55 boards are brand new out |
| [17:58:30] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: STOP DOING IT |
| [17:58:59] | iamlindoro: | Like everything else that manages to dribble out of your mouth, it is irritating |
| [17:59:24] | dustybin: | ? |
| [17:59:34] | oobe: | dustybin, never give up on your dreams |
| [17:59:42] | dustybin: | <-- cyber bully victim |
| [18:00:28] | oobe: | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Atom-N330-Nvidia-9400M . . . em3cab9a7e7a this one is $50 cheaper than the black model from the same seller |
| [18:00:57] | oobe: | just for being pink its cheaper |
| [18:02:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | urm... |
| [18:02:34] | kormoc: | I want to paint it black |
| [18:03:05] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | why is it telling me I'm usin 7.7GB of ram inside mythtv when I'm using 3.4? |
| [18:03:09] | oobe: | you wont even see it anyway if you used it as a fe |
| [18:03:32] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: because you're looking at the virtual memory amount which includes libraries mapped on disk and the like |
| [18:03:53] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | no swap used... |
| [18:04:02] | kormoc: | mapped on disk != swap |
| [18:04:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I guess they are including the caches... |
| [18:04:19] | kormoc: | mapped on disk != caches |
| [18:04:35] | kormoc: | you need to use pmap to see actual memory usage |
| [18:04:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | kormoc: I'm not using that much mapped on disc either... |
| [18:04:51] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: how do you know? |
| [18:05:03] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I have plenty of monitors... |
| [18:05:17] | kormoc: | you know what, I don't care. Yes, you're right, I just don't understand the linux memory system. |
| [18:05:29] | ** kormoc wonders off ** | |
| [18:05:51] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | it is the caches according to free... |
| [18:05:51] | iamlindoro: | Hey, you don't get promoted to captain of the flagship for nothing |
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| [18:08:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | iamlindoro: Picard was an archaeologist not an engineer ;) |
| [18:09:23] | justinh: | was? we've been talking to a dead person? not only that but a fictional person :P |
| [18:09:40] | kormoc: | Is one dead before they are born? |
| [18:10:02] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | justinh: before rising to captain that is.. |
| [18:10:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | so was is the correct tense. |
| [18:10:37] | kormoc: | Don't think so, as he's in the future, so he hasn't been an archaeologist yet |
| [18:10:54] | iamlindoro: | !trout channel temporal paradox |
| [18:10:54] | ** MythLogBot slaps channel with a temporal paradox trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [18:11:13] | ** iamlindoro sets the entire channel on fire, fiddles as it burns ** | |
| [18:11:22] | kormoc: | That the major problem of time travel is one of grammar, requiring at least 1,001 tense formations. |
| [18:11:41] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | !trout iamlindoro predestination paradox |
| [18:11:41] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a predestination paradox trout on behalf of Cap_J_L_Picard... ** | |
| [18:12:05] | iamlindoro: | Nobody trouts pap is his own channel |
| [18:12:07] | iamlindoro: | papa |
| [18:12:16] | kormoc: | that just sounds dirty |
| [18:13:13] | justinh: | oh nicos_f you fail to see the fail |
| [18:13:25] | justinh: | nikos.f even |
| [18:13:34] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [18:13:36] | kormoc: | the dreaded doublefail fail! |
| [18:13:47] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/429661 |
| [18:14:38] | justinh: | starting to feel the wiki is gonna need total moderation before too long, which flies in the face of what wikis are about |
| [18:14:58] | iamlindoro: | hahha |
| [18:14:59] | iamlindoro: | "hmm.. this page has been removed from the wiki? does anyone knows why and |
| [18:14:59] | iamlindoro: | how can you undelete it? " |
| [18:15:53] | iamlindoro: | His "us case" is still a ToS violation |
| [18:15:56] | iamlindoro: | er use case |
| [18:16:42] | iamlindoro: | Someone should probably respond to taht effect, since... |
| [18:16:47] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-March/285179.html |
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| [18:17:25] | justinh: | but teh informationz should be teh free! |
| [18:17:38] | tzanger: | I don't see how that's a ToS violation if it's for personal use |
| [18:17:52] | justinh: | let's wait til a lawyer comes along & decides it eh |
| [18:17:53] | tzanger: | hell I did the exact same thing with my brohter so I could watch CBC HD before I had my HD setup at home |
| [18:18:03] | justinh: | or rather not |
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| [18:18:10] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [18:18:17] | tzanger: | but what's the difference between "over the internet" and "on your LAN" ... it's still recording video |
| [18:18:38] | kormoc: | tzanger: personal use does not exist out side of your home, including homes of relatives that you don't live at |
| [18:18:39] | justinh: | the difference is a massive one in terms of how it looks in the eyes of the law |
| [18:18:44] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | technically your LAN is the internet. |
| [18:18:51] | iamlindoro: | tzanger: Your cable/satellite service is a subscription for a single physical address, at least with any service in the US (which is the jurisdiction whose rules we abide by) |
| [18:18:52] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | it still uses internet protocol. |
| [18:18:59] | ** iamlindoro blinks wildly ** | |
| [18:19:02] | iamlindoro: | whaaaaa? |
| [18:19:06] | justinh: | probably not tested in court yet, but who wants to see mythtv in court trying it out? |
| [18:19:07] | iamlindoro: | your LAN is *not* the internet |
| [18:19:09] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | how many routers you go through is besides the point. |
| [18:19:14] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [18:19:19] | iamlindoro: | Internet != LAN |
| [18:19:22] | tzanger: | iamlindoro: so... if I use a CableCo PVR with a removable firewire drive and I take that drive with me when I travel, that's a violation of terms? |
| [18:19:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | iamlindoro: look up the internet protocol... |
| [18:19:29] | kormoc: | Cap_J_L_Picard: I guess the Local part of LAN doesn't matter to you? |
| [18:19:33] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: if you use NAT, you are no longer on the internet |
| [18:19:41] | justinh: | tzanger: *taking* the content elsewhere is not the same as sharing or copying |
| [18:19:43] | kormoc: | I could argue but really, what's the point with this guy? |
| [18:19:51] | iamlindoro: | Cap_J_L_Picard: The internet is not a protocol |
| [18:19:51] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: you are on your own mini internet, technically... |
| [18:19:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cap_J_L_Picard: It's an INTRAnet. |
| [18:19:59] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | iamlindoro: yes it is. |
| [18:20:04] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not. |
| [18:20:06] | tzanger: | justinh: ok, so if I have a frontend at location A and the backend at B? (I'm trying to understand how you differentiate) |
| [18:20:08] | wagnerrp: | the internet is a place |
| [18:20:09] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: /ignore... |
| [18:20:22] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | J-e-f-f-A: that's what managers that can't grasp the fact the internet is a protocol... |
| [18:20:25] | wagnerrp: | TCP/IP, ATM, SONET, BGP... those are protocols |
| [18:20:29] | justinh: | tzanger: placeshifting hasn't yet been tested in a court of law either |
| [18:20:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: that first one... |
| [18:20:50] | tzanger: | justinh: sure, but timeshifting is also still a grey area if you're not using "authorized" equipment |
| [18:20:56] | wagnerrp: | that first one is not the internet |
| [18:20:58] | justinh: | just wait til it is. mythtv doesn't wanna be the test case |
| [18:21:00] | iamlindoro: | That first one is one of MANY protocols employed on the internet |
| [18:21:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | I hope he's not a network engineer. |
| [18:21:07] | iamlindoro: | but is not the internet itself |
| [18:21:08] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | the TCP bit is seperarate, please tell me exactly what the IP bit stands for :P |
| [18:21:26] | justinh: | tzanger: for timeshifting in general we still have the betamax precedent |
| [18:21:34] | wagnerrp: | internet protocol, the generic addressing used for networks |
| [18:21:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | technically, the internet is no different having 1 router or 1000000 |
| [18:21:36] | justinh: | only just though |
| [18:21:48] | kormoc: | tzanger: it's fine when it's entirely in your own household with members of that household, covered under fair use. Going to other households/locations is not covered by fair use, hence why we don't support it |
| [18:22:00] | tzanger: | I dunno, it seems like a strange place to make your stand... I mean by that reckoning, mythtv itself hasn't been tested in court so why is there a wiki at all? recording to a computer is in general a grey area |
| [18:22:05] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I'm talking technically, not in how you logically break it up in your mind. |
| [18:22:09] | tzanger: | kormoc: aha, see that is the BEST explanation I've heard tod ate |
| [18:22:11] | tzanger: | er to date |
| [18:22:17] | justinh: | technically loaning a VHS of a recording wasn't considered fair use either |
| [18:22:21] | tzanger: | very clear, excellent. |
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| [18:23:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | the "internet" is a collection of networks. thus the name. |
| [18:23:32] | ThisOtherGuy: | peoples: it's not about subtle technical arguments, it's about appearances – it is not in the interest of the project to have anything that appears questionable |
| [18:23:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | some people take that a bit too far... |
| [18:24:16] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | JEDIDIAH__: each computer is a network in itself, it has a loopback... |
| [18:24:27] | justinh: | if the world was a different place, maybe. but it's not |
| [18:24:28] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | so, if I connect 2 together... |
| [18:24:34] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | it's an internet... |
| [18:24:41] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | as a network of networks. |
| [18:25:01] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | using the internet protocol IP (which is an addressing standard). |
| [18:25:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | Picard is why the Federation in the 24th century was kind of a sucky place to be. |
| [18:25:31] | ** xris hears an echo.... IP IP? ** | |
| [18:25:35] | justinh: | I mean it'd be fine if we could stand by our principles, assume everybody is innocent & rely on users to come to our defence should the worst happen. but come on.. |
| [18:25:42] | tzanger: | Cap_J_L_Picard: there's a difference between theory and reality |
| [18:25:54] | ** wagnerrp wonders how many licks it takes to get to the center of an internet ** | |
| [18:26:01] | tzanger: | and in reality the word internet has certain meaning to be the public area |
| [18:26:04] | tzanger: | but you already know this |
| [18:26:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...makes that whole kangaroo court in Farpoint terribly ironic really. |
| [18:26:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: be careful not to lick your own loopback |
| [18:26:25] | tzanger: | oh dear |
| [18:26:29] | tzanger: | that was just wrong hahaha |
| [18:26:31] | xris: | tzanger: yeah, "the internet" is that web thing that I access with the "internet explorer" :) |
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| [18:26:51] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and the placeshifting reminds me of a blackhat-dc 2009 talk where he sshed from DC into a dreambox in the UK attacking a satelite somewhere over africa. |
| [18:26:57] | ** kormoc puts on his jungle hat and gets a few native guides before he explores the internets ** | |
| [18:27:03] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | whos jurisdiction does that fall in. |
| [18:27:33] | justinh: | we can't all breathe a sigh of relief because ffmpeg hasn't been sued out of existence yet |
| [18:28:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | tzanger: it gets even more fun when those machines actually are whole networks of virtual machines... |
| [18:28:11] | justinh: | just because some wise-hats say there's no money in it doesn't necessarily mean nobody will ever try |
| [18:28:16] | wagnerrp: | 'i now have some logging; approximately 1325689 bytes' |
| [18:28:27] | xris: | justinh: that's why there's no money involved with MythTV |
| [18:28:27] | wagnerrp: | now come on Udo... just HOW is that 'approximate' |
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| [18:28:30] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: heh, "approximately" |
| [18:28:32] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | internet is a protocol for addressing networks joined together. |
| [18:28:46] | xris: | justinh: ffmpeg doesn't distribute binaries. the code is legal and non-infringing. binaries are not and are. |
| [18:28:46] | kormoc: | approximately approximate |
| [18:29:07] | vbman2: | im having issues trying to run microsoft mce in kubuntu |
| [18:29:10] | kormoc: | justinh: which is why we don't ship binaries as well |
| [18:29:18] | justinh: | so source code isn't infringing? |
| [18:29:22] | justinh: | how the heck?! |
| [18:29:28] | wagnerrp: | vbman2: this is not a media center support channel |
| [18:29:34] | vbman2: | i was kidding |
| [18:29:54] | justinh: | mind, I bet that's not been tested in court either yet |
| [18:30:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: this isn't the Mydiacenter TV channel?!?! |
| [18:30:36] | justinh: | #clam-media-center ? |
| [18:31:07] | xris: | justinh: at least in the US, it has something to do with description vs implementation. |
| [18:31:28] | justinh: | interesting :) |
| [18:31:31] | xris: | or maybe reverse engineering is legal, but using it isn't... I think it depends on the patents |
| [18:31:45] | xris: | but that's one reason why mythtv and ffmpeg don't distribute binaries. too much of a grey area. |
| [18:31:57] | justinh: | yeah and nobody wants to be the test case |
| [18:32:26] | justinh: | can't rely on the FSF being able to rescue ya |
| [18:32:28] | xris: | money is another issue (isaac doesn't want to draw undue attention), though I personally think that taking on an incorporated fiscal sponsor would provide some personal liability protection for devs. |
| [18:32:46] | xris: | but it's isaac's decision, so we don't |
| [18:33:25] | justinh: | has anybody ever offered? |
| [18:34:39] | justinh: | mind, I know from talking to companies at linux shows nobody was keen on ponying up for licensing so they can ship product |
| [18:35:00] | justinh: | think they just saw a 'product' & started drooling |
| [18:36:03] | wagnerrp: | theres going to be two sequels to Independence Day... |
| [18:36:08] | wagnerrp: | i thought we killed all the aliens |
| [18:36:12] | justinh: | not that codec licensing is overly expensive |
| [18:36:18] | iamlindoro: | There's at least one company shipping their own custom MythTV STB |
| [18:36:39] | iamlindoro: | that has full time devs that work on it... it's heavily modified, but it's Myth |
| [18:37:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: just the one ship |
| [18:37:29] | wagnerrp: | but that one ship was a quarter the mass of the moon |
| [18:37:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: perhaps this time they removed the biocomputer to usb adapters from the store room |
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| [18:38:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | they upgraded their virus profiles. |
| [18:39:32] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | 30 more minutes and still lots of unknown in the program guide... |
| [18:39:45] | justinh: | iamlindoro: they ever submit patches? ;-) |
| [18:39:59] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | EIT doesn't seem to be working... |
| [18:40:01] | iamlindoro: | justinh: yeah |
| [18:40:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs @ JEDIDIAH__ ** | |
| [18:43:22] | justinh: | I saw one a few years ago whose site didn't mention GPL or squat |
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| [18:50:46] | skd5aner: | is this the point where someone brings up "mythtv in the cloud" again? |
| [18:51:05] | justinh: | head in the clouds more like :) |
| [18:51:31] | kisak: | does mythtv 0.22 and libraw1394 2.0.x work well together? |
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| [19:20:35] | sphery: | anyone know how to get Google to rescan a page? |
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| [19:21:26] | sphery: | for http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-March/285179.html |
| [19:21:37] | sphery: | justinh / wagnerrp / iamlindoro : you'll love that post ^^^ |
| [19:21:48] | iamlindoro: | We discussed it earlier |
| [19:21:51] | dewman: | sphery, do you mean to have google re-index the page? |
| [19:21:56] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:22:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, I meant that post that says deleting it is a paternalistic overlord move |
| [19:22:37] | ** iamlindoro will be your paternalistic overlord for this afternoon ** | |
| [19:22:55] | dewman: | I think google does it whenever they want....I remember seeing something about that a while back. |
| [19:23:06] | sphery: | :( |
| [19:23:32] | dewman: | sphery, http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/ . . . answer=34439 |
| [19:23:33] | sphery: | maybe if we all do a search for the URI, it will make it seem worth re-indexing |
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| [19:24:05] | dewman: | or we could all submit that url.... =P |
| [19:24:15] | sphery: | submit it? |
| [19:24:23] | sphery: | you mean search for it? |
| [19:25:07] | dewman: | you can submit your webpage to google to have them index it. |
| [19:25:16] | wagnerrp: | http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/ . . . nswer=164734 |
| [19:25:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I love in your post, "Worse, you have to expose your backend to the outside, which has no security at all..." |
| [19:26:26] | wagnerrp: | well it doesnt |
| [19:26:37] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean the innuendo? |
| [19:26:47] | iamlindoro: | There, submitted a removal request |
| [19:26:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, just love the "expose your backend to the outside" |
| [19:27:01] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, what delicious name will I be next? |
| [19:27:10] | sphery: | has multiple meanings |
| [19:27:48] | wagnerrp: | leaving your mythtv system open for rape? |
| [19:28:22] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt even thinking that at the time |
| [19:28:35] | dewman: | rape....what a bad word... |
| [19:28:39] | dougt: | is the deal that the way they explained it has security holes, or is it merely the intent which can lead mythtv into trouble? |
| [19:29:13] | wagnerrp: | dougt: mythtv doesnt so much have security holes, as it just outright lacks security |
| [19:29:16] | wagnerrp: | its an open port |
| [19:29:24] | wagnerrp: | anyone can log into it, and do whatever they want |
| [19:29:27] | dougt: | awesome. |
| [19:29:37] | wagnerrp: | no authentication what-so-ever |
| [19:29:55] | dougt: | i was worried that someone was worried that the RIAA or MPwhatver would throw a hissy fit. |
| [19:30:06] | wagnerrp: | because youre sitting at home on your own secure private network, you dont need such authentication |
| [19:30:18] | sphery: | MythTV doesn't have security holes, it's simply lacking security as a whole. |
| [19:30:19] | dougt: | ssh -XC works for me. |
| [19:30:27] | sphery: | -Y |
| [19:30:28] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:30:44] | iamlindoro: | All that said, we may get multiuser someday soonish (though will likely still not care about security) |
| [19:30:51] | dougt: | had to man that. |
| [19:31:02] | sphery: | -X just limits some functionality |
| [19:31:04] | dougt: | not sure I need to do that, really. |
| [19:31:27] | dougt: | if I can ssh into the box, i have devastating permissions already. |
| [19:31:39] | sphery: | but -X is useful if you don't trust the machine on which myth is running... but if that's the case, you probably shouldn't be accessing it |
| [19:32:07] | sphery: | right -X is for ssh X forwarding from a hostile server (or a server with hostile users) |
| [19:32:16] | wagnerrp: | dougt: basically, it determines whether X authentication is used on the remote end |
| [19:32:16] | sphery: | er, client? |
| [19:32:26] | wagnerrp: | if yes, only the user running SSH has the X keys |
| [19:32:27] | sphery: | basically the computer that's running the GUI app, not the one displaying it |
| [19:32:41] | wagnerrp: | if no, anyone can access that X socket and display things on it |
| [19:32:49] | wagnerrp: | or pull data from it |
| [19:33:02] | sphery: | no, -X only limits things like keyboard and clipboard usage |
| [19:33:25] | sphery: | anyone with the magic cookied can get to either a -X or -Y forward |
| [19:33:43] | sphery: | (and the port number, of course) |
| [19:33:52] | sphery: | but that's easy enough to fake |
| [19:33:58] | sphery: | just count up |
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| [19:35:16] | Jay2k1: | i have a little problem with video coverart not being shown |
| [19:35:38] | Jay2k1: | i downloaded metadata (including coverart) for all videos |
| [19:35:45] | Jay2k1: | worked for some time |
| [19:36:03] | Jay2k1: | now when i looked into videos today, only a few were shown with their cover |
| [19:36:30] | Jay2k1: | the files are still there, but i noticed something strange in the db |
| [19:37:03] | Jay2k1: | those with cover shown have the full path to the cover art file, e.g. /var/lib/mythtv/coverart/0123456_coverart.jpg |
| [19:37:13] | Jay2k1: | all the rest have just the filename without the path |
| [19:37:48] | Jay2k1: | now i thought this shouldn't be a problem, since there is a setting for the coverart folder |
| [19:38:23] | iamlindoro: | Jay2k1: mythbuntu 9.10 |
| [19:38:26] | iamlindoro: | ask me how I know |
| [19:38:46] | iamlindoro: | and as a secondary guess, you deleted your video storage group |
| [19:39:10] | Jay2k1: | as for 9.10, yes. as for deleting the storage group, no |
| [19:39:26] | iamlindoro: | You need to enable the auto-builds and get to current fixes |
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| [19:39:34] | iamlindoro: | your version is not .22 |
| [19:39:43] | Jay2k1: | what i recently did, though, is using the "scan for changes" button in mythweb |
| [19:39:52] | Jay2k1: | yes it is, using 0.22-fixes and auto builds |
| [19:39:53] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, that won't work |
| [19:40:08] | iamlindoro: | scanning for changes in mythweb produces broken results |
| [19:40:13] | Jay2k1: | ah |
| [19:40:20] | iamlindoro: | you need to clear your metadata, then scan from scratch in mythvideo only, and start over |
| [19:40:40] | kormoc: | should just wipe the mythweb module |
| [19:40:54] | Nidhoegger: | hi, where can i setup my tv card in mythtv? |
| [19:41:15] | iamlindoro: | start in the manual |
| [19:41:34] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [19:41:58] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and good luck... |
| [19:43:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: and come back with shiny ajax-y goodness? :) |
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| [19:44:47] | xris: | Jay2k1: mythweb is "fixed" in trunk but we're so close to release that the changes did not get added to the 22-fixes branch |
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| [19:47:36] | Jay2k1: | ah.. too bad |
| [19:48:32] | decke: | wagnerrp: i've seen you have also stumbled accross a few freebsd specific problems... |
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| [19:48:52] | wagnerrp: | decke: yeah, compile-time problems, janneg fixed them up |
| [19:48:56] | decke: | wagnerrp: i've seen a few of them too and filed #8213 and #8214 |
| [19:49:13] | decke: | and did a call for testers with 0.23 today |
| [19:50:00] | wagnerrp: | ill give it a try later tonight, to see if i have any other issues |
| [19:50:03] | decke: | 0.23 will be really the best freebsd release of mythtv ever |
| [19:50:29] | wagnerrp: | (*cough* none of which have tuner card support) |
| [19:50:30] | iamlindoro: | .23 will be the highest numbered linux release of Mythtv ever |
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| [19:51:20] | decke: | and don't know if you already know but there are a few users running mythtv with the pvrxxx driver on freebsd |
| [19:51:43] | wagnerrp: | well there obviously are, considering its in ports |
| [19:51:52] | wagnerrp: | but ive NEVER gotten it to comple |
| [19:51:58] | decke: | the port? |
| [19:52:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [19:52:10] | wagnerrp: | always fails with some error or another |
| [19:52:24] | decke: | how about sending me the log if it breaks? |
| [19:52:49] | skd5aner: | Also, since it's the .23 release, and 23 is the number that controls everything in the universe, this is an extremely special release of myth – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Enigma |
| [19:53:23] | wagnerrp: | ill give that another shot later tonight as well |
| [19:53:32] | wagnerrp: | i would love to be able to shove those two 150s in my server |
| [19:53:46] | kormoc: | great |
| [19:53:47] | decke: | wagnerrp: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mu . . . /010918.html try this one |
| [19:53:50] | kormoc: | so now all the devs will die |
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| [19:54:01] | wagnerrp: | at that point, i may even just buy another HDHR and make my SBE a fe-only |
| [19:54:23] | wagnerrp: | ill check the link, thanks |
| [19:54:48] | justinh: | fs why do they even have a multimedia section? |
| [19:55:08] | decke: | justinh: just kidding? |
| [19:55:19] | justinh: | no, not just kidding |
| [19:55:35] | justinh: | mythtv is for linux, not BSD |
| [19:55:55] | kormoc: | and trix are for kids |
| [19:56:23] | decke: | then you obviously don't know – FreeBSD lacks some dvb support but that is rapidly improving |
| [19:57:00] | justinh: | dunno why anyone would feel the need to run myth on bsd that's all |
| [19:57:11] | kormoc: | because it's there |
| [19:57:15] | decke: | there is webcam support, dvb-t also already supports a few dozen cards |
| [19:57:17] | ** kormoc goes to climb a mountain ** | |
| [19:57:21] | wagnerrp: | justinh: because im already running bsd on my server for other reasons |
| [19:57:21] | decke: | just dvb-s is a bit sparse |
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| [20:03:23] | justinh: | and linux isn't hard enough for use on a home network, I dunno ;) |
| [20:04:12] | iamlindoro: | You mean home internet |
| [20:04:19] | iamlindoro: | you know, the internet in your house |
| [20:04:22] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:04:26] | justinh: | rofl |
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| [20:06:59] | justinh: | crap. that means I download teevees off of the internet upstairs & bring it downstairs :( |
| [20:07:16] | justinh: | I'm sharing files with myself! :S |
| [20:07:32] | wagnerrp: | VIOLATOR! |
| [20:08:36] | skd5aner: | Well, if you ask MY content provider (Cable), they'd probably say the same thing |
| [20:08:38] | iamlindoro: | Holy crap, someone put my personal paperwork and files on the internet here, too! |
| [20:09:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you need one of them thar firewall thingies |
| [20:09:13] | skd5aner: | since they want to lease me a cable box per month, per TV to access anything non-analog |
| [20:09:27] | ** iamlindoro runs madly around unpluggiNO CARRIER ** | |
| [20:09:43] | justinh: | unplug the internet & wrap your head in tinfoil! |
| [20:10:32] | Beirdo: | justinh: actually, not a bad idea, less the foil :) |
| [20:10:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:11:05] | Beirdo: | some part of me wishes I were old-style Amish or Mennonite. Technology can really suck. |
| [20:11:05] | justinh: | I wish |
| [20:11:08] | decke: | janneg: i've seen you did a few freebsd commits... would you mind having a look at the patches in #8213 and probably #8214 ? |
| [20:12:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | build yourself a mythbusters style faraday cage. |
| [20:12:19] | justinh: | metal box ftw! |
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| [20:16:09] | janneg: | decke: are they still needed for 0.23-rc1 or trunk? |
| [20:16:20] | decke: | janneg: yes – tested with 0.23RC1 |
| [20:16:52] | skd5aner: | My old apartment was a faraday cage... it was built in the 1800's, and the plaster walls had a mesh chicken wire in them – made for crappy reception of basically anything |
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| [20:20:33] | ThisOtherGuy: | hey all – I have a frontend/backend combo running trunk with SGs – was I supposed to delete all of the settings on the Video General Settings page? |
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| [20:22:17] | skd5aner: | hehe – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12608 . . . unkards.html |
| [20:22:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:22:55] | decke: | ah and there is one more patch that matters for FreeBSD when Qt3 and Qt4 are installed parallel... |
| [20:22:56] | decke: | http://svn.bluelife.at/index.cgi/blueports/vi . . . oout_dvdv.mm |
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| [20:23:27] | ThisOtherGuy: | wagnerrp: was that for me? |
| [20:23:33] | decke: | that fixes the _last_ Qt3 style includes in mythtv |
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| [20:23:43] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:23:48] | ThisOtherGuy: | k – thanks |
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| [20:26:08] | icewolfca: | help, I am trying to use vlc to play video files in MythTV and I use vlc file://%s and it just loads vlc then nothing happens |
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| [20:26:32] | icewolfca: | maybe my syntax is wrong |
| [20:26:37] | icewolfca: | I have tried many combinations |
| [20:26:47] | icewolfca: | using mythbuntu 9.10 |
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| [20:27:39] | janneg: | decke: freebsd has support for Mac OS X dvdv hardware accel |
| [20:28:52] | decke: | janneg: i guess no |
| [20:29:38] | ** janneg wonders why that file is included in the build then ** | |
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| [20:30:25] | ThisOtherGuy: | Can anyone help me with a jamu issue? It seems to be trying to download the wrong file |
| [20:30:41] | decke: | i've written a script to find qt3 style includes because the patch for 0.22 needed to replace a few hundred of them |
| [20:31:23] | bjd: | Got a quick question. I've got a situation where I *have* to have my TV turned on before the mythbox is turned on — anyone seen this behaviour before and know a way around this ? |
| [20:31:27] | decke: | and the script only found this one spot for 0.23 so I did not check if it actually breaks freebsd build – so if it does not get build on freebsd then it won't matter for freebsd |
| [20:31:54] | RDV_Linux: | ThisOtherGuy: Check the source (TMDB or TVDB) it is likely that the TV Series or Movie has a name similar to an older series or movie. |
| [20:33:06] | RDV_Linux: | ThisOtherGuy: If this is the case you can use the jamu.conf file and an entry in the Over ride section of the config file. See the wiki. |
| [20:33:22] | decke: | but if this is not build on freebsd I can safely remove that patch and forget about it |
| [20:33:54] | janneg: | decke: ah, ok. no, it only gets build with dvdv enabled and that depends on target_os = darwin |
| [20:34:45] | decke: | janneg: yeah i've checked that and it's only osx so i can safely remove that patch |
| [20:35:58] | janneg: | fixing the headers is useful though. I guess it was overlooked because of the .mm extension |
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| [20:36:35] | decke: | yes it's probably a valid patch but just a cosmetic one in this case |
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| [20:36:57] | ThisOtherGuy: | RDV_Linux: Thanks – The show is "Tyler's Ultimate" – the file it's downloading is http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/82722-2.jpg and 82722 is the show id but when I go to the site, it says there is no fan art (though there is a banner) – any ideas? |
| [20:37:53] | decke: | so that is all from my side then... all the other patches in the mythtv port for freebsd are hacks and should not get commited |
| [20:39:07] | skd5aner: | do you think there's going to be an RC2 or go straight to release? |
| [20:39:08] | janneg: | decke: thanks, I'll commit them before 0.23 final |
| [20:39:52] | decke: | janneg: thanks that would be great |
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| [20:40:56] | RDV_Linux: | ThisOtherGuy: I used ttvdb.py to double check the banner and fanart link. The banner link works but it appears that the Fanrt URL as reported by TVDB is bad. Nothing you can do about that as TVDB reports only one Fanart URL. You could manually down load the Fanart of the TVDB site is ok, |
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| [20:41:34] | RDV_Linux: | s/down load the Fanart of/down load the Fanart off/ |
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| [20:46:26] | ThisOtherGuy: | RDV_Linux: thanks for checking this out – by down load manually do you mean find another site that has some fan art? or make a dummy file? |
| [20:47:50] | RDV_Linux: | ThisOtherGuy: No I mean see if the fan art is accessable from the TVDB site itself. They use caching servers for the images and sometimes the caching server has bad links but the site itself has a good link to the image you want. |
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| [20:48:21] | ThisOtherGuy: | RDV_linux: I get cha, the site didn't have anything but I follow – thanks again! |
| [20:48:40] | RDV_Linux: | np sound like you are SOL |
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| [20:49:16] | ThisOtherGuy: | RDV_Linux: it's cool – it's one of my wife's shows :-P |
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| [20:49:41] | justinh: | ThisOtherGuy: oh I dunno, you could always find a way to ... contribute (!) |
| [20:49:48] | icewolfca: | I will stab you in the FACE |
| [20:49:51] | RDV_Linux: | ThisOtherGuy: I thought every married guy put WAF as their priority;) |
| [20:50:17] | justinh: | icewolfca: niiiice |
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| [20:51:32] | justinh: | RDV_Linux: oh I dunno, I've oft considered deleting the channels my wife records. I'd only have to fix them again ;) |
| [20:52:06] | bjd: | Just digging thru the xorg log it's not happy cos it can't detect a screen – guessing i need to force output on the hdmi output regardless |
| [20:52:08] | ThisOtherGuy: | RDV_Linux: Actually, that's true, but in this case Fan Art has a small coefficient in my WAF |
| [20:52:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | Good WAF turns buying those mini's into "her idea". |
| [20:52:24] | justinh: | ThisOtherGuy: it's also called fanart for a good reason :) |
| [20:53:09] | justinh: | $deity knows where the heck people get all the high res artwork from though |
| [20:53:16] | justinh: | not much of it in the public domain |
| [20:53:28] | ThisOtherGuy: | justinh: I guess it wouldn't be fair if a non-fan made it :-) |
| [20:54:22] | dustybin: | im a big fan of fan art |
| [20:54:27] | ** justinh isn't ** | |
| [20:55:30] | justinh: | wait til I've got a HDTV which is bright, contrasty & nice.. and pulls 1W from the mains |
| [20:55:38] | justinh: | then I might not mind fan art |
| [20:55:39] | Beirdo: | justinh isn't a fan of much :) |
| [20:55:56] | Beirdo: | I can respect that |
| [20:56:07] | dustybin: | justinh: do you still use your fugly beige backend box? |
| [20:56:35] | dougt: | wagnerrp: what uniquely defines a Guide object? Is it the starttime+chanid? |
| [20:56:45] | justinh: | I'd love to be able to make use of it, but if you just plaster text over the art it defeats the whole point of having it, and if you make the text smaller... you really need a big screen. I lose both ways :) |
| [20:57:19] | justinh: | dustybin: for now. I'm gonna have to upgrade at some point. got the new machine all ready to go in the cupboard under the stairs |
| [20:57:28] | dougt: | eg. what i want to do is store something that could reference a Guide object. I'd though programid would bit it, but there are dups (of course) |
| [20:57:50] | justinh: | er.. ready to put in the cupboard I mean |
| [20:58:08] | dustybin: | justinh: aye nice, did you use a amd 205e ? |
| [20:58:14] | dustybin: | *240e |
| [20:58:33] | justinh: | never buying AMD again |
| [20:58:42] | dustybin: | oh ok?! |
| [20:58:43] | justinh: | new backend is core2 :) |
| [20:58:51] | dustybin: | nice |
| [20:59:10] | justinh: | cheapest I could get – which is still lightyears ahead of the 2000xp I use now |
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| [21:00:47] | marcuy: | hi all..how can I know if my pci tv tuner card is working to setup in mythtv? |
| [21:01:01] | justinh: | with a linux tv app of course! |
| [21:01:11] | justinh: | or go by blind info from dmesg etc |
| [21:01:56] | marcuy: | the problem is that the linux tv app don't show up any channels justinh |
| [21:02:32] | justinh: | the linux tv app. hmm. which one? |
| [21:02:59] | marcuy: | mythtv or tvtime |
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| [21:04:13] | justinh: | and umm.. what kind of 'pci tv tuner card' ??? |
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| [21:04:47] | justinh: | give as much information as you can please. makes this sort of thing much less of a chore :) |
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| [21:07:00] | ** skd5aner loves the new i5–750 ** | |
| [21:07:14] | justinh: | arghh silly wordpress. can't add users arbitrarily |
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| [21:08:37] | marcuy: | heh |
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| [21:08:47] | marcuy: | manhattan "pci analog tuner card" |
| [21:09:25] | marcuy: | let me find out more info |
| [21:10:41] | marcuy: | justinh, this one -> http://www.manhattan-products.com/es-US/produ . . . nal-gica-pci |
| [21:10:49] | justinh: | eew some random framegrabber |
| [21:11:06] | justinh: | well, let me say if it doesn't work in tvtime, it ain't gonna work in mythtv matey |
| [21:11:19] | dustybin: | skd5aner: for desktop use or server use? |
| [21:12:25] | skd5aner: | I do find it funny that people try to shoehorn all these random "tuners" to save a few bucks, rather than just buying tried and true ones that are clearly documented, receive lots of attention and use, and "just work" |
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| [21:12:36] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: that's not necessarily true. There are cards which work in MythTV but not tvtime (in particular those with unusual color spaces or that don't support the MMAP interface) |
| [21:12:52] | skd5aner: | dustybin: for desktop, at least for me – but potentially for server too, but may actually be overkill depending on what you are doing |
| [21:12:53] | devinheitmueller: | ... also, it looks like that card might have an onboard encoder. |
| [21:12:54] | justinh: | yeah well in general then |
| [21:13:04] | skd5aner: | but it's awesome with encoding benchmarks |
| [21:13:04] | justinh: | people need to avoid $randomjunk :) |
| [21:13:18] | dustybin: | skd5aner: aye ok, what OS you running on desktop? |
| [21:13:31] | marcuy: | hey I didn't bought garbage |
| [21:13:33] | justinh: | dustybin: prolly linux |
| [21:13:37] | devinheitmueller: | That said, I've never even heard of it. Generally speaking, obscure brands do not get supported under Linux due to their popularity. |
| [21:13:39] | marcuy: | in fact this was the expensive one |
| [21:13:57] | skd5aner: | Dual Boot – Win 7 and Linux |
| [21:13:57] | justinh: | junk == stuff not working in linux :) |
| [21:14:02] | devinheitmueller: | (or more appropriately, due to their lack of popularity) |
| [21:14:07] | marcuy: | of course it has the proper documentation for window$ skd5aner |
| [21:14:10] | iamlindoro: | everything's more expensive in manhattan |
| [21:14:18] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: :-) |
| [21:14:23] | justinh: | marcuy: linux != windows :) |
| [21:14:59] | skd5aner: | marcuy: yea, I would have to say that if you are in this channel, windows support for tuner cards really has no weight or bearing if it's a "good tuner card" or not |
| [21:15:00] | marcuy: | thanks god it is |
| [21:15:12] | devinheitmueller: | It's possible the card could be made to work. Most of those obscure cards are just saa7134 clones. We would need to see some hi-res pictures to confirm. |
| [21:15:34] | marcuy: | skd5aner, i hate when trolls appear |
| [21:15:43] | skd5aner: | as in, me? |
| [21:16:16] | justinh: | no, as in me I think he means because I suggested he made an ill-advised purchase without first researching which cards work best in linux :) |
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| [21:16:38] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: seems odd that an encoder card would come with a patch cable |
| [21:16:45] | marcuy: | just review chat history and you will find out why skd5aner |
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| [21:16:50] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Not necessarily. |
| [21:17:00] | skd5aner: | I was going to say, I mean – obviously justinh is the resident troll, who else do you think live's under this channel's bridge? |
| [21:17:02] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:17:04] | devinheitmueller: | There are plenty of encoder cards which don't have the patch cable. |
| [21:17:20] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: (assuming you mean an audio output patch cable) |
| [21:17:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, that image shows an audio patch cable |
| [21:17:39] | justinh: | bottom line is, generally if the card doesn't work in tvtime, it's looking like bad news already |
| [21:17:40] | marcuy: | well I don't find funny trying to get help and the ppl at the "support" channel just laugh about how bad is the tuner card |
| [21:18:00] | justinh: | who's laughing? |
| [21:18:03] | marcuy: | obviusly If I'm here is because I don't know much about this stuff |
| [21:18:20] | devinheitmueller: | marcuy: nobody is commenting on whether the card is good. We are discussing whether it will work. THe obscurity of the card suggests that it probably will not without code changes. |
| [21:18:27] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: you know, maybe so (re: made to work), and I love that "the community" makes that stuff happening – but it is odd to me that people will go drop a few dimes on hardware, with the intention of using it with mythtv, *before* checking to see if it works with myth |
| [21:18:49] | justinh: | skd5aner: I find it sad, not odd |
| [21:18:53] | TheAsp: | skd5aner: and then whine about it |
| [21:18:54] | TheAsp: | ;) |
| [21:18:55] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I am not suggesting otherwise. |
| [21:19:06] | skd5aner: | yup, just an observation... :) |
| [21:19:16] | marcuy: | skd5aner> I do find it funny that people try to shoehorn all these random "tuners" to save a few bucks, rather than just buying tried and true ones that are clearly documented, receive lots of attention and use, and "just work" |
| [21:19:47] | skd5aner: | marcuy: I don't think we're trying to give you a hard time, per say... just that it's hard to support something that we have no prior knowledge of, yet we know several cards that work really well |
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| [21:19:55] | devinheitmueller: | marcuy: "random" in this context, means tuners by a company that is not popular. |
| [21:20:22] | TheAsp: | marcuy: what does lspci say about it? |
| [21:20:35] | marcuy: | ok I get it |
| [21:20:55] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: exactly... silicondust and hauppauge, etc have great reputations for supporting their devices in linux – and there's lots of people around here that know a lot about them and can help support them |
| [21:21:04] | justinh: | we always get alarm bells ringing when we see manufacturer names we've not heard of. now if it was me... I'd research the living heck out of it first. we see a lot of this here. expensive lesson to learn :( |
| [21:21:19] | skd5aner: | like you :) |
| [21:21:29] | marcuy: | 04:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| [21:21:30] | marcuy: | 04:06.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05) |
| [21:21:51] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, I tend to over research everything – it's basically a fault of mine even |
| [21:21:52] | justinh: | so far just a framegrabber then, but it's a supported chipset AFAIK |
| [21:22:03] | marcuy: | hehe thank you anyway for your time |
| [21:22:11] | TheAsp: | by not working in tvtime, what did you mean? |
| [21:22:18] | TheAsp: | do you get static or something? |
| [21:22:20] | marcuy: | in fact I made a little research and this one seemed to be a good one |
| [21:22:36] | justinh: | it's a commonly used chipset so you might yet be lucky |
| [21:22:40] | marcuy: | I don't know where should I search what brands are the good ones |
| [21:22:44] | skd5aner: | marcuy: good luck – if you ever want to buy something for use in myth, search the wikis, gossamer-threads (mailing archives), or ask here before you purchase |
| [21:23:07] | marcuy: | ok you can be sure I will do it next time ;) |
| [21:23:36] | marcuy: | at tvtime-scanner it has no signal at the different frecuencies |
| [21:23:39] | skd5aner: | marcuy: start here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card |
| [21:24:02] | TheAsp: | does it show anything at all, or just a blue window? |
| [21:24:10] | skd5aner: | that list probably needs a little bit of updating, but it's a start |
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| [21:24:51] | justinh: | marcuy: there are a few things you can try, like different frequency bands etc.. try a direct video input to the card from a camera or something – see if that works etc.. |
| [21:24:52] | marcuy: | I'm getting a blue screen with the text "without signal" |
| [21:25:20] | TheAsp: | do you have the right settings for your area? right tv format for instance? |
| [21:25:22] | marcuy: | I'm checking out the link skd5aner thanks |
| [21:25:41] | skd5aner: | marcuy: depending on where you live, US, EU, Asia, LA, etc and what your source is (OTA, QAM, Analog, ATSC, DVB-T, DVB-S, DVB-C, etc) – then you have a lot of different type of tuners |
| [21:25:45] | marcuy: | yes unless I believe so TheAsp |
| [21:25:54] | marcuy: | but tvtime doesn't believe me.. |
| [21:26:01] | skd5aner: | marcuy: and as justinh was hinting out, framegrabbers work, but are strongly discouraged |
| [21:26:06] | marcuy: | I'm from Uruguay so we have pal-n |
| [21:27:05] | TheAsp: | oh come on... how would i heat my house without my bt878? |
| [21:27:16] | skd5aner: | with a pentium 4 ;) |
| [21:27:23] | TheAsp: | :P |
| [21:27:27] | marcuy: | i will try out that justinh skd5aner if I don't have luck with this |
| [21:27:51] | skd5aner: | good luck, I've got to step away |
| [21:28:07] | marcuy: | tks skd5aner |
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| [21:28:22] | skd5aner: | np |
| [21:28:24] | marcuy: | the default television capture should be /dev/video0 ? |
| [21:28:45] | justinh: | if it happens to be the 1st V4L video device yeah |
| [21:29:02] | marcuy: | alright |
| [21:29:09] | devinheitmueller: | It's also possible this is a cx88 board that we don't have a profile for. Try the composite/svideo input. |
| [21:29:39] | devinheitmueller: | The driver may have initialized but not had an actual tuner profile, so it cannot control the can tuner. |
| [21:30:20] | wagnerrp: | TheAsp: usually with a bit of lighter fluid |
| [21:30:35] | marcuy: | devinheitmueller, do u mean to connect the coaxial cable to the s-video input? |
| [21:30:54] | devinheitmueller: | marcuy: No, I mean try hooking the card to the output of a VCR or DVD player. |
| [21:30:59] | TheAsp: | or a snes |
| [21:31:00] | justinh: | marcuy: no he means connect something which outputs a pal video signal (e.g. video camera or something) |
| [21:31:02] | wagnerrp: | no, he means use the v4l2-ctl tool to change the input on the card |
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| [21:31:10] | devinheitmueller: | That will tell you whether the card works at all and if it's just an issue with the can tuner. |
| [21:31:24] | marcuy: | ok gonna try that |
| [21:31:34] | devinheitmueller: | This is just a test, but will help narrow down where the problem is. |
| [21:31:54] | devinheitmueller: | Also, note that you will need to toggle the input in tvtime as well, since by default it is probably looking at the tuner input. |
| [21:32:50] | marcuy: | fine tks |
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| [21:34:37] | justinh: | you never know.. you might have the fortune to be the guy who helps make the card work in linux ;-) |
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| [21:35:25] | marcuy: | hehe I will request my profile at wikipedia :P |
| [21:39:12] | npm: | re: yesterday's discussion about open source DRM not being possible... still disagree. we just need a standardized DRM-licensing USB dongle (containing a tamper-proof unique hardware id && running a protocol w/ request/response auth) that licenses us for DRM use via the USB-dongle ... then use open protocols/sw — http://www.kerberos.org/software/whykerberos.pdf — "Various One-Time Password (OTP) schemes have also been adapted to wor |
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| [21:40:59] | devinheitmueller: | npm: the problem is that most DRM solutions are not just about accessing authorized content. They want assurances that once you have access that you cannot end up with a version that doesn't have the DRM. |
| [21:41:28] | devinheitmueller: | Hence, a USB dongle that lets you decrypt the stream and then save/retransmit the unencrypted stream violates their design goals. |
| [21:43:06] | wagnerrp: | as explained yesterday, the difference between a DRM schema, and a conditional access (CA) scheme |
| [21:43:45] | wagnerrp: | DVB-C currently has the latter |
| [21:44:01] | wagnerrp: | which is why european users actually can use a cablecard-like device to capture content with mythtv |
| [21:46:27] | npm: | probably not open, but isn't there also a directv device? |
| [21:46:50] | npm: | which puts their ca and hardware access ctl on a card |
| [21:47:30] | npm: | the issue is that once it's on a PC, i can just scrape it off a framebuffer if i have to :-) (not that i would) — so what's the point |
| [21:47:37] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [21:47:54] | iamlindoro: | taking a decoded image from a framebuffer would be identical to using a framegrabber |
| [21:48:11] | clever: | except its a pure digital path, no analog cables in between |
| [21:48:15] | clever: | so it could be better quality |
| [21:48:17] | iamlindoro: | and thus the same as an HD-PVR, only with extra encoding overhead |
| [21:48:26] | wagnerrp: | npm: how would you take such a snapshot? |
| [21:48:33] | iamlindoro: | again, that would be even if it were possible-- which it ain't |
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| [21:49:18] | devinheitmueller: | Well, in operating systems that provide a protected path, you cannot directly access the video card's frame buffer, and HDCP protects the content all the way to the monitor. |
| [21:49:26] | iamlindoro: | ^^^ exactly |
| [21:49:53] | npm: | so it's really the "os with a protected path" that is sought and can't be achieved in linux |
| [21:49:53] | npm: | ? |
| [21:49:56] | clever: | yeah, if Xorg and the vid driver also agreed to the drm, it would be imposible |
| [21:49:58] | devinheitmueller: | correct. |
| [21:50:11] | wagnerrp: | and that protected path is exactly why Windows 7 (maybe Vista?) is the only OS that supports building your own DVR with cablecard support |
| [21:50:15] | devinheitmueller: | npm: because if you have source to the operating system, you can compile out the code that provides the protected path. |
| [21:50:24] | clever: | but nothing stops me from editing the protection out of xorg, while still letting it claim its protected |
| [21:50:34] | clever: | then its fully open |
| [21:50:34] | devinheitmueller: | Vista supported cablecard as well, but again only if you were connected via a monitor with HDCP. |
| [21:51:28] | AndyCap: | so has anyone seen one of these cablecard media centers? |
| [21:51:31] | wagnerrp: | the reason TiVo can get by, running an operating system based off linux |
| [21:51:47] | wagnerrp: | is because its far more difficult to hack such a custom hardware device |
| [21:51:54] | wagnerrp: | than simply recompile your OS, and reboot |
| [21:52:25] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: the Tivo has onboard encryption hardware for the key management and the decrypted video pipeline never leaves the hardware. |
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| [21:52:48] | devinheitmueller: | ... hence the operating system can never access either the private keys nor the decrypted stream. |
| [21:52:52] | npm: | http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/08/directvs-pc-tuner-is-real/ |
| [21:53:01] | wagnerrp: | ok, what he said |
| [21:54:07] | ** wagnerrp wonders if anyone has done a study figuring out how much money has been lost, spend in development of these schemes ** | |
| [21:54:13] | npm: | im outof date: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2336499,00.asp |
| [21:55:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: there was a high speed hdmi switching feature in a tv a while ago |
| [21:55:05] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: there's no price on safety. :P |
| [21:55:19] | npm: | wonder if directv's device got cancelled for same reasons we discussed... |
| [21:55:25] | clever: | wagnerrp: i'm guessing it handled the hdcp handshake so you dont have to redo it when switching |
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| [21:56:00] | clever: | wagnerrp: they forgot to re-encrypt the hdmi after leaving the chip, 1 hacked up hdmi cable and a soldering iron, and you have free hdmi signals |
| [21:56:00] | sphery: | npm: note, though, that it was almost definitely Windows Vista/Windows 7 based, so it would have been a protected-path implementation |
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| [21:56:33] | clever: | the protected path isnt alway s perfect |
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| [21:58:09] | npm: | seems like it's just a finger in the dyke... it won't be long before someone intercepts somewhere.... in hardware or software |
| [21:58:26] | clever: | npm: like the case i just mentioned |
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| [21:59:01] | TheAsp: | heh, he said dyke |
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| [21:59:24] | clever: | one extreme example ive seen mentioned, is monitoring the output from the LCD driver in an HDTV |
| [21:59:35] | npm: | i think 3d content is the way they'll protect digital best (next dyke-hole higher or lower to plug)... assume that 2d will get copied freely but that people will pay for the original and licenced 3d |
| [21:59:38] | clever: | that aint protected but is still fairly digital and no loss of quality |
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| [22:01:59] | clever: | ive also seen it mentioned, how digital cameras are going to resolutions 2x or 3x above hdtv |
| [22:02:22] | clever: | at that res, you can pick out each pixel on the tv as several on the camera, and resample it without bluring the original pixels together |
| [22:02:39] | npm: | heh |
| [22:03:03] | clever: | so even with an analog medium in the path, you can get digital quality |
| [22:03:43] | clever: | until they put a webcam on the tv and ensure every viewer is humman, they aint stopping that:P |
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| [22:04:18] | npm: | well that usb dongle i was talking about — could have a thumbprint scanner ... |
| [22:04:19] | clever: | though some laptops are doing just that... |
| [22:04:35] | clever: | npm: i can just scan it once each time i rip a movie |
| [22:05:02] | clever: | the only problem is they now have a record of exactly who i am |
| [22:05:06] | npm: | the usb dongle employs one-time-pad like arch so it would change and or have a timestamp |
| [22:05:41] | clever: | it could embed my finger print data into the video stream |
| [22:05:44] | clever: | as minor artifacts |
| [22:05:51] | npm: | heh |
| [22:05:52] | clever: | then they would know exactly who ripped it:P |
| [22:06:29] | npm: | um, yeah good idea... (at that point, perhaps use someone else's finger too?) |
| [22:06:54] | clever: | ok, i'll chop a finger off some random dude on the street and keep it on ice :P |
| [22:07:00] | npm: | there'll be a rash of finger-cuttings by vicious media thieves |
| [22:07:06] | clever: | acording to those ad's, stealing a movie is like stealing a car |
| [22:07:16] | clever: | so stealing a finger wont be that much worse :P |
| [22:08:20] | clever: | ok, time for me to leave for a bit |
| [22:08:26] | npm: | more proof that DRM kills and maims |
| [22:08:35] | npm: | me too |
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| [23:45:33] | sphery: | oobe: I just put a fix for #7315 ( mythtranscode doesnt die after lossless transcoding to cut out ads ) into trunk. If you build yourself, feel free to try out the changes (they'll apply to 0.23-fixes or trunk). More testing is always good--will make me more comfortable about possibly backporting it to 0.23-fixes. |
| [23:46:51] | oobe: | ok i disabled delete files slowly and that solved the problem so i will have to re enable that and build trunk to test i guess |
| [23:47:02] | oobe: | im using the .23 fixes branch atm |
| [23:48:11] | oobe: | will trunk be using the same schema as .23 atm |
| [23:48:30] | wagnerrp: | for the moment |
| [23:48:41] | wagnerrp: | dont expect that to continue much past release |
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| [23:52:00] | Beirdo: | heh. like much more than a few hours past release, I bet |
| [23:52:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/AL-osd-edit.png |
| [23:52:59] | iamlindoro: | pew pew |
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| [23:56:04] | wagnerrp: | thats all opengl rendered on the new UI code? |
| [23:56:16] | sphery: | oobe: you can just apply that patch to 0.23-fixes. It will apply cleanly (though you'll likely have to run dos2unix on the changeset after you download it): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23886?fo . . . mp;new=23886 |
| [23:56:34] | iamlindoro: | rendered in the new UI code, but still using the old rendering |
| [23:56:50] | oobe: | cool |
| [23:57:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you misspelled "THEME" |
| [23:57:49] | iamlindoro: | complain to ABC ;) |
| [23:57:57] | sphery: | lol |
| [23:58:03] | iamlindoro: | It's sheeshee |
| [23:58:10] | iamlindoro: | like "Delux" |
| [23:58:27] | oobe: | sphery, got it i will pm you after i test will probably be with in the next 24 hrs or less |
| [23:58:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and here I thought you learned from your past Arclight mistakes and decided to start watermarking your screenshots so that people won't hold them against you in the future. |
| [23:59:03] | sphery: | oobe: great... no hurry. I probably will hold the change until after release and then backport it. |
| [23:59:39] | oobe: | cool |
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