Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: xmltv has grabbers, yes

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sphery:

radio times?

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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ComradeHaz`:

it had never occured to me to stop manually using the sky box

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wagnerrp:

mythtv really expects dedicated hardware

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** kormoc guesses ComradeHaz` had a vcr for a long long time **

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ComradeHaz`:

lol

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wagnerrp:

including dedicated set top boxes for content you cannot tune directly

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ComradeHaz`:

hell no

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ComradeHaz`:

but I do need to keep my parents happy

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ComradeHaz`:

are you absolutley convinced I will not notice the quality difference going from Sky-box to server with component?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: youve got one...

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wagnerrp:

(HDPVR that is)

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: depends on your recording quality, but you can set it so you won't

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ComradeHaz`:

well, what about 'live-tv'?

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kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#Samples

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kormoc:

what bout it?

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highzeth:

also depends on FE's GPU/cabling..

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wagnerrp:

there is no difference between livetv and recordings

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kormoc:

check the 13.5Mbps/13.7MBPS Max (720p) video

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kormoc:

see if it looks good to you

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wagnerrp:

note that you will need a LOT of computer to do the 13.5mbps CBR content off a HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

that, or a graphics card that will decode it for you (VDPAU)

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ComradeHaz`:

essentially what I will be doing if I understand you guys directly is feeding the sky box into my main server, re-encoding it, piping it accross ethernet and spitting it out via hdmi from my front end in the living room

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wagnerrp:

the sky box pumps into the HDPVR, which encodes it, and passes it onto the server.... done

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wagnerrp:

the frontend some time later (perhaps only seconds later) requests that video file from the backend for playback

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ComradeHaz`:

I see

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: %s/re-encoding/encoding/

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ComradeHaz`:

so how do I control all this?

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wagnerrp:

you set up the IR blaster on the HDPVR, to control the Sky box

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ComradeHaz`:

[01:05:26] <+kormoc> ComradeHaz`: %s/re-encoding/encoding/ ??

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wagnerrp:

component video is not compressed

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ComradeHaz`:

does it come with that?

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kormoc:

I believe it does, else it's a few dollars

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wagnerrp:

the backend then has full control over the Sky box

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wagnerrp:

and the frontend just requests content from the backend

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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ComradeHaz`:

very interesting

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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ComradeHaz`:

will lose a bit of functionality though

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ComradeHaz`:

at the moment I can record 2 things and watch a third on the sky box

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wagnerrp:

the only bit you will lose would be on-demand content, which i dont believe Sky offers

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ComradeHaz`:

it does.

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wagnerrp:

isnt Sky a satellite service?

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ComradeHaz`:

but I very rarely use it

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ComradeHaz`:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then they cannot offer on-demand content

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ComradeHaz`:

sure they can

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: direct-tv does now

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ComradeHaz`:

if I wipe the box it takes 3 days to come back

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wagnerrp:

and what, 200 people across the entire country can use it at one time?

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ComradeHaz`:

http://skyplayer.sky.com/aboutskyplayer/sky-on-demand.html

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ComradeHaz`:

there's of course also the box office

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ComradeHaz`:

huh?

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ComradeHaz`:

it's stored locally

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wagnerrp:

so its across the network, rather than broadcast

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tbone0:

wagnerrp: so do you happen to know how i get schedule direct to do a mythfilldatabase?

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ComradeHaz`:

it drags it in

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wagnerrp:

effectively IPTV

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: that's how direct does it, aye, http://www.directv.com/dod/faq.html

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wagnerrp:

you do a mythfilldatabase, and it pulls the content from your registered schedules direct account

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ComradeHaz`:

no, it's broadcast, it records it in a cut off corner of it's internal drive

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he's uk, so radio times

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ComradeHaz`:

my main concern is losing the ability to record 2 things at once

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ComradeHaz`:

that said, surely I could control teh sky box manually if I chose to

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: "All programmes are available to play instantly. Your viewing experience will depend on your broadband connection speed"

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ComradeHaz`:

uh

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wagnerrp:

i thought SBC was southwest bell corporation, now AT&T

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ComradeHaz`:

what on earth are you looking at

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: "The Sky Player software makes use of a peer-2-peer technology"

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kormoc:

the link you gave, the bottom of the page

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wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: very bottom of the page

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ComradeHaz`:

oh, I gave the wrong link then

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wagnerrp:

no, you gave the sky-on-demand page

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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ComradeHaz`:

that's something else

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ComradeHaz`:

that's to watch on ones computer

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wagnerrp:

no, thats their on-demand service

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tbone0:

wagnerrp: yeah, i guess thats my issue is mythfilldatabase is not running automatically, its suppose from what i read, but see nothing in my logs indicating a problem. So is there possibly an option somewhere that i inadvertently checked/unchecked

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wagnerrp:

you can... not... do... on... demand... over... satellite

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tbone0:

option

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ComradeHaz`:

this is what I meant

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wagnerrp:

there is a limited amount of bandwidth, that they share between all several million users of that satellite

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ComradeHaz`:

http://epgservices.sky.com/saotv/saotv.html

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kormoc:

so it stores 200 hours of shows on a small chunk of your drive

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ComradeHaz`:

as I said, it is broadcast all the time, the box quietly records it in the background to a cut off part of it's hard drive

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kormoc:

that has to be horrible quality

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ComradeHaz`:

no, it's broadcast quality

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ComradeHaz`:

it stores the broadcast stream

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ComradeHaz`:

and decodes on playback

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wagnerrp:

sure, if your broadcast quality is like 500kbps

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ComradeHaz`:

not connected to broadband

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: how large is your drive?

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wagnerrp:

200 hours is a lot of video

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kormoc:

especially hd quality

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highzeth:

thats not on-demand the way I know it, thats a preconfigured pvr imo

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ComradeHaz`:

it stores the boradcast bit-stream

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kormoc:

I run a bad quality recording at ~ 1.5gb per hour

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ComradeHaz`:

standard drives are 400GB

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ComradeHaz`:

Mine's a TB one iirc

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kormoc:

at 200 hours that'd be 300 gb for bad quality recordings

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ComradeHaz`:

well, what can I tell you

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wagnerrp:

the 'broadcast quality' stuff i record is about 6GB/hr

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ComradeHaz`:

I know

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wagnerrp:

which would put 200hrs at well over 1TB

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ComradeHaz`:

as I said, it doesn't re-encode it

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kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: so at 6GB a hour, you have -200 gigs of space on your drive for your pvr recordings

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ComradeHaz`:

it simply stores the satelite bit strea and passes that back through its tuners on playback

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wagnerrp:

yes, the stuff i record, straight off the airways, is about 6GB/hr

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kormoc:

seems like it's a extra useless pvr when you have negative recording time out of the box

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wagnerrp:

the raw bitstream, as passed out of my digital tuner

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ComradeHaz`:

uh

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ComradeHaz`:

I actually have a fdrive here containing a load of the streams

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ComradeHaz`:

let's see what size they are

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wagnerrp:

'f drive'?

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highzeth:

so going by sky's definition of on-demand, I have on-demand on my mythtv setup then? Good to know ;)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: windows user

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wagnerrp:

does that mean your home server runs windows?

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ComradeHaz`:

me?

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ComradeHaz`:

oh, *drive

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xris:

iamlindoro: is there a wiki page or some other documentation somewhere for how to grab fanart for arclight?

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kormoc:

xris: jamu iirc

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wagnerrp:

xris: it just does an image hunt of any matching titles in your mythvideo artwork folders

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iamlindoro:

xris, The themes themselves have no control over it-- if you want the fanart for recordings, yeah, use Jamu, in mythvideo its done as a part of any metadata lookup

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xris:

right.. but arclight has support for themes in tv

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iamlindoro:

Yeah... that stuff can be automated with the Jamu -MW option

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xris:

my video dir changes too often to bother adding art to it

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xris:

ok, cool, thanks

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xris:

I'll have to play with it tonight

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iamlindoro:

(though obviously you should check out the wiki section for that particular option)

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xris:

yeah, found the wiki page

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xris:

I want to give arclight a shot as it was intended, though I think the wife may force use of mythcenter now that she's seen it.

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iamlindoro:

She likes to party like it's 1989, I see

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** wagnerrp thought Arclight partied like its 1899 **

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** iamlindoro will never understand the irrational love for ancient themes **

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

no, that was gaslight

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ComradeHaz`:

I can't read teh old Sky Box disc

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ComradeHaz`:

If you're genuinely interested I will look into it for you.

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wagnerrp:

its a disk pulled directly from the box?

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ComradeHaz`:

yeah

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ComradeHaz`:

it's some funky format

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wagnerrp:

its probably encrypted

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ComradeHaz`:

but http://www.skycopyplus.co.uk/about.php

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ComradeHaz`:

I used that when I moved to the bigger drive

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highzeth:

iamlindoro: love for vintage irrational? Passionate/old habits, sure, irrational, not sure I agree

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ComradeHaz`:

but it looks like I might have hosed this for some reason

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ComradeHaz`:

oh

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ComradeHaz`:

I did

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ComradeHaz`:

I low level red-write tested it

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highzeth:

(generally speaking, not specific to themes)

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ComradeHaz`:

because it was making the box crash

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ComradeHaz`:

forgot that

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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tbone0:

anyone know where this is "mythfilldatabase Log Path"

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ComradeHaz`:

so, going back to HDPVR and IR blaster

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ComradeHaz`:

and indeed remote controls for the front end....

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ComradeHaz`:

what's the deal

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ComradeHaz`:

?

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ComradeHaz`:

I've not got or seen a media center remote before

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wagnerrp:

i cant say ive ever heard someone use the acronym 'DOG' before

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ComradeHaz`:

????

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wagnerrp:

or for that matter, anything but the term 'watermark' for those station identifiers on screen

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highzeth:

enlighten me, DOG?

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wagnerrp:

'digital on-screen graphic'

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wagnerrp:

the watermark emblem some stations put on their broadcasts

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highzeth:

ahhh, heh, needless to say, that makes two of us

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ComradeHaz`:

lol

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wagnerrp:

someone just opened a 'feature request' ticket to add a fuzzer to obscure those

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highzeth:

oh man

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, more commonly "Bug" I believe

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wagnerrp:

because you know... a weird blocky fuzzy chunk in the corner of the screen is so much less distracting than some emblem

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ComradeHaz`:

are there any satelite PCI cards with twin tuners?

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highzeth:

yep, much nicer indeed *sigh*

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highzeth:

ComradeHaz`: not sure, those Ive seen are pci-e

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ComradeHaz`:

pci-e fine.....

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ComradeHaz`:

[01:37:31] <+wagnerrp> because you know... a weird blocky fuzzy chunk in the corner of the screen is so much less distracting than some emblem <----- aye, but better to obscure them for uploading to Rapid-share :D

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ComradeHaz`:

Bet you anything that's what the bugger's planning

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highzeth:

ComradeHaz`: the two I mentioned earlier are twin

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wagnerrp:

no, he only wanted it for playback

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wagnerrp:

not some permanent alteration

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ComradeHaz`:

ok

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highzeth:

http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/product/6980.html && http://www.media-pointer.de/epages/62290022.s . . . oducts/mp-s2

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ComradeHaz`:

so is the hauppauge the HD PVR to go for?

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ComradeHaz`:

thanks

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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highzeth:

believe the CineS2 uses Gene, not sure on its current status driver wise, but they do supply linux drivers

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ComradeHaz`:

don't need to be low form factor now's I realise backend does all the hard work

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ComradeHaz`:

dunno what I was thinking really :D

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ComradeHaz`:

Probably wasn;t :D

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ComradeHaz`:

!praise being a n00b

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highzeth:

only non low profile twin I know of is the NetUP card

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ComradeHaz`:

well, don't low profile cards tend to come with 2 brackets?

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highzeth:

eh?

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highzeth:

ohh, not sure if thats a norm or not on tuners

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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ComradeHaz`:

well, in truth, a sat tuner will probably be a later addition

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highzeth:

do you have many channels/packages via sky thats not avail via freesat?

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ComradeHaz`:

Frankly, I am liking what you guys are saying with the single exception of the losing the ability to record 2 things at once from subscription channles

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ComradeHaz`:

a number, the sport being the main ones

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highzeth:

understood, reason I ask is that I know many that only got a few channels they subscr too, so the need for the sky tuner is minimal

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ComradeHaz`:

aye, realise what you were asking

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ComradeHaz`:

so, could I drive my sky box 'manually' from the other room?

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highzeth:

freesat is a blessing =)

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ComradeHaz`:

or would I need a seperate IR sender?

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ComradeHaz`:

also, am I right to assume Myth can be told to use its local tuner for certain channels and only fire up the sky box if others it's local tuner can't get are requested?

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highzeth:

never ir-blasted, not sure what you could do there in "bypassing" the mythtv integration

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ComradeHaz`:

well, I can trivially send IR through from the other room luckelly

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ComradeHaz`:

I already have the kit

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ComradeHaz`:

it goes via the RF output

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ComradeHaz`:

(idea is to pipe it to bedrom or somesuch)

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ComradeHaz`:

but would the Myth box get upset with me taking manual control?

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ComradeHaz`:

or is it trivial to just say 'I want to see the HD PVR stream and I'm gonna control the sky box'

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ComradeHaz`:

welcome back :)

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ComradeHaz`:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes <--- was it number 3 you said I should get?

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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Beirdo:

I have X. Xvnc it is

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Beirdo:

no good for playing video, but should do fine for mythweather script testage

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Beirdo:

gotta love it when you drop things on your keyboard

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Beirdo:

heh

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm, guys, how do I search for a specic media center remote?

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Beirdo:

search where?

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ComradeHaz`:

(I assume the one that comes with the Hauppauge HD PVR is no good? )

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ComradeHaz`:

Potential shopping sites)

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

no clue on that

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ComradeHaz`:

I don't see any unique numbers there

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Beirdo:

OK, myth rebuilding time

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Beirdo:

now that I actually have some X

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Beirdo:

may be Xvnc, but it's X

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ComradeHaz`:

right, need to go away and think more about this

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ComradeHaz`:

thank you all for your help

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Beirdo:

good luck

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ComradeHaz`:

yer, I need it

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wagnerrp:

that was a pretty weak 'bunker buster' on chuck

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Beirdo:

don't we all

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ComradeHaz`:

I still live with my parents! :D

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Beirdo:

another show that I need to record soon

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ComradeHaz`:

That's actually something that has a massive bearing on what I do

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wagnerrp:

a bit late to start, isnt it?

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ComradeHaz`:

the last thing I want is for it to be too complex for my parents

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highzeth:

I lost interest in Chuck after s1, sadly that goes for most of the "mainstream" series. :/

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wagnerrp:

they lost their budget, and got better

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highzeth:

I was happy to see that Breaking Bad & United States of Tara got another season

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highzeth:

oh, hmm perhaps I should give it another go then

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highzeth:

good timing, s2 starts airing on apr 10th

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wagnerrp:

2?

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wagnerrp:

were on 3 over here

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highzeth:

.no here

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: but we're special

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highzeth:

They have become alot better at that tho. Some are only a few weeks behind US, they are learning, ever so slowly

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highzeth:

shut-eye needed, nn

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Beirdo:

night

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Beirdo:

my night has just begun... with a headache.

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Beirdo:

wonderful

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wagnerrp:

i bet its a tumah

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Beirdo:

nah, too high a caffeine:food ratio during the day

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wagnerrp:

nah... tumor

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BANkMaLJaY4

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Beirdo:

brb. getting drugs

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wagnerrp:

drugs dont work, you need surgery

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wagnerrp:

with lasers

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Tylenol Extra Strength

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Beirdo:

really wish I could take Ibuprofen, it's far more effective.

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Beirdo:

but can't take it with my high-blood-pressure meds.

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

la la la...

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Beirdo:

compiling still

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Beirdo:

I can't wait to have a better box

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Beirdo:

reminds me of the Taco Bell commercials...

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Beirdo:

"I theeenk I need a bigger box!"

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

que estupido

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Beirdo:

I forgot to tell it to do Xv

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Beirdo:

mythfrontend under Xvnc doesn't work well with OpenGL :)

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

and like I remember the magic environ variable

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sphery:

is Xv actually usable with it?

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sphery:

to disable Xv?

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Beirdo:

I'm not going to be using videos

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sphery:

-O ThemePainter=qt to switch theme painter

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sphery:

NO_XV=1 to disable Xv :)

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sphery:

(that one as an environment variable)

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wagnerrp:

somewhere along the last time i updated my machines, the opengl painter started working great over VNC

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Beirdo:

oh blast it all

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sphery:

yeah, painter I can see working ok

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wagnerrp:

either that, or it was outright failing, and silently falling back to qt

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sphery:

at least on some setups, but video renderer--either Xv or GL--not so much

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Beirdo:

it thinks the master backend is on an IP... the IP has changed (stupid Internet sharing on Wiblows)

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sphery:

It doesn't fall back, so it was likely working

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sphery:

yeah, you pretty much need a static IP for Myth

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it will be shortly

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Beirdo:

and I need a bigger screen

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

one moment

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sphery:

and a better solution than Windows Connection Sharing :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: since the oldrecorded data is static, set at the time of recording

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's not an option right now

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wagnerrp:

would there actually be any harm in supplementing the metadata in recorded

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wagnerrp:

after the recording?

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wagnerrp:

i assume as long as you keep chanid and starttime the same, all the cross reference stuff should continue working

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Beirdo:

huh?

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Beirdo:

now it's saying pulse is running?!@

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wagnerrp:

are you running ubuntu or mythbuntu?

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Beirdo:

DIE!

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Beirdo:

ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

well there you go

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Beirdo:

shutty :)

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Beirdo:

I killed it :)

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wagnerrp:

you would probably think more clearly if you didnt have that tumor

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iamlindoro:

Its nahd a toomah!

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iamlindoro:

It's a tracking beacon in his nose

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iamlindoro:

He needs to get his... to mars

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wagnerrp:

get yourself to mars

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

they dont say 'yourself'?

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iamlindoro:

maybe on tv :)

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wagnerrp:

me wonders if hes owned Total Recall for all these years, and not actually seen the non-tv version

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wagnerrp:

no, because ive see the gorey parts like the seaquest guy getting his arms ripped off

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine they would show that one tv

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wagnerrp:

and the 3-tittied midget, definitely not going to be on tv

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iamlindoro:

She was normal size :)

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iamlindoro:

there was a midget, and the three-boobed chick

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iamlindoro:

two dif'rent ladies

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wagnerrp:

why did they have to put the big spherical thing up there? the little bullet shaped thing inside it would have been so much easier

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

in weather setup...

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wagnerrp:

youre right... this changes my whole outlook on life

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Beirdo:

Severe Weather Alerts... that is all

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Beirdo:

missing Perl modules, I see

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wagnerrp:

... that plus im going to have to pull the DVD out of the player and redo this

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wagnerrp:

this is a terrible rip

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wagnerrp:

i was really clueless all those years ago

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Beirdo:

oh bah

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Beirdo:

I just did what you did, wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

created the tmp files as root

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** Beirdo slaps himself **

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

crappy cheap chips

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wagnerrp:

you can always tell when the chips are cheap

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wagnerrp:

when you open the side of the back, instead of the end

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wagnerrp:

s/back/bag/

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Beirdo:

hey...

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Beirdo:

using "" for missing data works

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wagnerrp:

it just shows up as an empty string?

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Beirdo:

it just left out the Low Temperature completely

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Beirdo:

although in the 18hr one... it put 66% for a missing POP.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

that was from a different source (by mistake)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

We've gone from "can't get any devs to edit the changelist" to "everyone in the universe is editing the changelist"

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iamlindoro:

feast or famine...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but theyre still mostly not devs

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Beirdo:

OK

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Beirdo:

18h is not displaying right

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Beirdo:

6h from wunderground... not displaying right

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wagnerrp:

s/not devs/skd5aner/

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Beirdo:

hahahaha

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Beirdo:

Unable to save data to cachefile: /home/gjhurlbu/.mythtv/MythWeather/yrno-XML/cache_United_States/Washington/Seatt le_Heights

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Beirdo:

OK then

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Beirdo:

I think we have issues :)

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Beirdo:

nrecoverable error parsing script output low-0::

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

well, I have some debugging and patching to do, clearly

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I see the issue with wunderground.pl

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Beirdo:

forgot to trim down the -t list

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ughhhh

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Beirdo:

can anyone tell me the simple way to do (in Qt):

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Beirdo:

s/\//-/g

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Beirdo:

on a string?

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wagnerrp:

openssl hit version 1.0.0 after 11 years of development

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iamlindoro:

Qstring::replace("/", "-");

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wagnerrp:

so theres the bar people, we have to get this done within the next three years

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Beirdo:

gracias, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

obviously format will change a bit, but if the variable is "blah", then

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wagnerrp:

does that change the existing qstring? or return a new one?

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iamlindoro:

blah.replace("/", "-");

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iamlindoro:

could do either

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iamlindoro:

the above just replaces on the existing

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Beirdo:

so arg(m_locale.replace("/", "-")) will change m_locale?

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iamlindoro:

right

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Beirdo:

and QString::replace(m_locale, "/", "-") would not?

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iamlindoro:

right, that will produce an error :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

total caveat that I'm not looking in context :)

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Beirdo:

weatherSource.cpp:605

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the second arg, I want to be using m_locale (without changing it), but with that replacement.

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iamlindoro:

}

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Beirdo:

So I guess I need a local copy

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iamlindoro:

^^ Good one :)

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Beirdo:

gah, I forgot, I already patched it :)

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Beirdo:

in processExit

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iamlindoro:

QString cachefile = QString("%1/cache_%2").arg(m_dir).arg(m_locale);

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iamlindoro:

?

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Beirdo:

where the QString("%1/cache_%2)

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Beirdo:

yup

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iamlindoro:

Could do:

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iamlindoro:

QString locale_replaced = m_locale.replace("/", "-");

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iamlindoro:

QString cachefile = QString("%1/cache_%2").arg(m_dir).arg(locale_replaced);

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Beirdo:

right, that's what I was thinking.

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Beirdo:

that won't mess with m_locale directly as it's not an lvalue

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Beirdo:

right?

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iamlindoro:

Should be fine

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iamlindoro:

Only one way to find out :)

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Beirdo:

yup, but I'm just trying to learn the how and why as I go along

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Beirdo:

why does pulse keep starting?!

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** Beirdo hits ubuntu with a brick **

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iamlindoro:

because it starts itself

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Beirdo:

stop it!

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Beirdo:

OK, that worked. Thanks :)

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Beirdo:

now it seems it really doesn't like blank inputs

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iamlindoro:

np

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Beirdo:

I try to learn fast :)

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feed_me_seymour:

I had stopped by a while back to get input on building a MythTV PC, but I've decided to repurpose an older desktop of mine and simply buy a more suitable HTPC case and add two TV tuner cards.

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wagnerrp:

what older desktop?

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wagnerrp:

(cpu, video card)

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feed_me_seymour:

One of my limitations is that I have to use PCI cards instead of PCI-E. Is the WinTV-HVR-1600 still a good bet?

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feed_me_seymour:

P4 3.0GHz, 3GB RAM, 320GB HDD (will need expanding in time), Geforce 8600GTS 256MB

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wagnerrp:

well... thats not likely

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feed_me_seymour:

How so?

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wagnerrp:

there is no PCI or AGP version of the 8600

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feed_me_seymour:

What?

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean there is only the one PCIe slot on the board?

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feed_me_seymour:

oh oh

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feed_me_seymour:

yeah

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feed_me_seymour:

It only has one PCI-E slot, which is occupied by the 8600GTS

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Beirdo:

oh blah

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Beirdo:

I see why the wunderground one is borked.

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feed_me_seymour:

good catch though, you know your video cards. :X

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Beirdo:

heh. Seems my search is wrong.

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wagnerrp:

your processor *should* be able to handle any broadcast digital

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wagnerrp:

and if not, your video card will pick it up

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wagnerrp:

however

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Beirdo:

Seattle/forecast.xml

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wagnerrp:

that is a power hungry chip, and an overpowered processor

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Beirdo:

ooook

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Beirdo:

heh

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feed_me_seymour:

Power consumption is going to be the — yeah.

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wagnerrp:

erm... overpowered video card

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wagnerrp:

if this is going to be your backend, and youre likely to leave it on all the time

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wagnerrp:

buying some new hardware would probably pay for itself in ~2yrs

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feed_me_seymour:

Yeah. It current stays on all the time, though, but just in a different role.

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feed_me_seymour:

I figure the case and tuner cards will be something I can continue to use if I decide to invest in new, low-power hardware, too.

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feed_me_seymour:

Newegg seems to have two different HVR-1600's, though — the 1199 and the 1183. Any idea what the difference is (besides around $17.00)?

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Beirdo:

Yay

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Beirdo:

that fixed it

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feed_me_seymour:

Oh, FM tuner is one difference. Meh, not overly concerned about that.

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Beirdo:

now... 18h for yr.no

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wagnerrp:

one is the retail, the other is the MCE version

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wagnerrp:

MCE version has a FM tuner, and RCA audio instead of 1/8"

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wagnerrp:

however it has no remote

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wagnerrp:

but then i dont believe the 1600's remote works in LIRC yet

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feed_me_seymour:

Got it... actually, the two I'm looking at both have remotes. Looks like it's just audio out and FM tuner differences.

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Beirdo:

OK, it likes ---, dislikes blank data entries

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feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: anything you'd recommend over the 1600 in general for a PCI-restricted build?

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wagnerrp:

do you need analog?

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feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: nope, ATSC or cable

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wagnerrp:

you intend to capture digital cable?

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feed_me_seymour:

probably cable since I can't get my wife to buy into OTA and drop the cable.

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feed_me_seymour:

Probably so, yes.

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wagnerrp:

high definition? or is standard definition fine?

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feed_me_seymour:

Well, HD is preferable, but SD is fine. Can I pick up the HD channels?

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wagnerrp:

either way, youre probably going to need analog

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feed_me_seymour:

i.e. I'm with Time-Warner cable and all of the HD channels are at 9xx, i.e. well above the standard 125

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wagnerrp:

that just decides whether youre going to use a 1600, or a cheaper digital tuner for ATSC, and a HDPVR for cable

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wagnerrp:

those 9xx numbers are completely meaningless

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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feed_me_seymour:

Thanks for the link iamlindoro.

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wagnerrp:

ooh! i dont have to go though a big long explination

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wagnerrp:

horray for someone taking the time to actually write up a page

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iamlindoro:

as long as he reads *c*a*r*e*f*u*l*l*yY :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: looks like I need to use something non-empty for data I don't have

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iamlindoro:

I also need to start using http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV again

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feed_me_seymour:

I don't suppose if anyone knows the encryption status of Time-Warner Cable in the Southeast US? :D

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wagnerrp:

feed_me_seymour: see silicondust.com

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wagnerrp:

they maintain a list of all available channels, searchable by zip code

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** wagnerrp goes to add that to the page **

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feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: I swear, the MythTV community is amazing.

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wagnerrp:

most people tell us were unreasonable, and unwilling to listen to their insanity

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Beirdo:

and then we make faces at them from behind our computer screens

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wagnerrp:

and then complain about corrupt blocky images in themes....

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** wagnerrp prods iamlindoro... :P **

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feed_me_seymour:

hum... looks like my clearQAM lineup is rather limited.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: OK. Now if I send "---", it will treat it as empty data

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Beirdo:

yay. No errors, and desired output

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wagnerrp:

feed_me_seymour: it usually is

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iamlindoro:

gaga

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** Beirdo is patching the crap out of this **

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iamlindoro:

er haha

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Beirdo:

ooh, another part to patch

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned on that page, they are only required to provide you the 'must carry' channels in the clear

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Beirdo:

18h doesn't say (degrees) F

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Beirdo:

it just has the number

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: of course, a surprising number of devs are complaining about that too

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Beirdo:

I like the blocky image

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Beirdo:

so MEH :)

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** iamlindoro weeps **

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iamlindoro:

(openly, this time)

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kormoc:

Hey now! I just didn't know the artwork changed!

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feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: so there's no "perfect solution" at this time, with the nearest attempt being the FireWire interface, with its obvious tradeoffs of hardware dependency, rental fees and uncertain support for some hardware profiles?

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** Beirdo comforts iamlindoro **

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wagnerrp:

feed_me_seymour: no, firewire has the same problems as QAM

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wagnerrp:

only that they are required to provide you _no_ channels over that interface

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Heh, he was referring to xr is asking me same yesterday :)

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wagnerrp:

best case, you get all your channels over it

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: ahh, heh

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wagnerrp:

worst case, it replaces your IR blaster for changing channels

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, But you can make it up to me by disabling voting ;)

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feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: oh... :| I'll have to tinker with my set-top to see if I can check the 5C status of my lineup.

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iamlindoro:

(and maybe even reporting results to -developers) ;)

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wagnerrp:

i didnt see anything on the mailing list

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kormoc:

heh, righto!

[03:00:03]

kormoc:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio . . . 528354.story

[03:00:19]

feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: I was really hoping to consolidate devices, but it looks like I may just be better off sticking with my set-top for cable/DVR and installing a Windows product to enable netflix instant, hulu, etc. :| Not really what I was hoping for, lol.

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wagnerrp:

netflix instant just isnt going to happen

[03:00:57]

feed_me_seymour:

for Linux? Yeah, I know. :/

[03:00:57]

Beirdo:

kormoc: hey surprise surprise... your 3 day forecast calls for rain

[03:00:58]

wagnerrp:

it requires silverlight which isnt available under linux

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wagnerrp:

hulu, apparently there may be something for 0.24

[03:01:34]

kormoc:

Beirdo: funny enough, our 10 day forecast calls for rain on every day except April 1st.

[03:01:38]

feed_me_seymour:

From what I was reading, that's not even the big hang-up. Moonlight can serve the same purpose, but without the DRM stacks licensed to Netflix, it still won't work.

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kormoc:

I think there's a joker at the weather center

[03:01:54]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

feed_me_seymour: right, its all about the drm stack

[03:02:05]

mag0o:

feed_me_seymour: got a wii?

[03:02:10]

feed_me_seymour:

wagnerrp: I have some Windows product licenses, I was just hoping to finally try out MythTV instead of MCE

[03:02:15]

wagnerrp:

which microsoft would be foolish to let go open source

[03:02:19]

feed_me_seymour:

mag0o: nope, not yet.

[03:02:39]

sphery:

or a roku player or an xbox 360 with xbox live

[03:02:39]

mag0o:

ah, was gonna say the netflix disc is a good addition to a mythtv box

[03:02:44]

Beirdo:

OK, all I'm missing now... copyright on each page

[03:02:51]

Beirdo:

and that's a theming issue

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sphery:

lots of netflix streaming players out there

[03:03:30]

feed_me_seymour:

Yeah, I'm trying to put together a box that's a bit more flexible than just a netflix streamer. We've never really been a console family.

[03:03:39]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will handle old-school netflix just fine

[03:03:45]

mag0o:

hehe

[03:03:47]

feed_me_seymour:

lol

[03:03:50]

feed_me_seymour:

you mean DVD playback?

[03:03:50]

mag0o:

slowflix

[03:03:51]

wagnerrp:

and it will probably be higher quality than the stuff youre streaming

[03:04:04]

mag0o:

much higer quality, from what i've seen so far

[03:04:38]

sphery:

Beirdo: and now you have a ticket for the copyright: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8253

[03:04:50]

Beirdo:

oh? Nice

[03:05:04]

sphery:

no patch, though

[03:05:06]

sphery:

frwop

[03:06:12]

Beirdo:

the definition within mythweather will be checked in with copyright for each page

[03:06:21]

Beirdo:

once my changes go in

[03:06:37]

Beirdo:

however, each theme must add it, and I'm not a themer at all

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mag0o:

should be easy enough, as some screens already have the field, right?

[03:07:27]

Beirdo:

the current conditions had it previously

[03:08:04]

Beirdo:

this will be post 0.23, AFAIK

[03:08:14]

** Beirdo shudders **

[03:08:30]

Beirdo:

I think I kinds just... started partially owning mythweather

[03:08:35]

Beirdo:

kinda rather

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iamlindoro:

Only place that I know of that has a textarea for copyright now is setup

[03:08:54]

** Beirdo runs away **

[03:09:00]

iamlindoro:

the screen chooser

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Beirdo:

I don't think it shows it there

[03:09:55]

Beirdo:

I don't see it here anyways

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Beirdo:

with your fine blocky background :)

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Beirdo:

OOOH, weather screens are a bit wonky on graphite

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mag0o:

using trunk, i'm getting a segfault with mythweb. known issue?

[03:19:17]

mag0o:

i didn't see anything on trac, but someone else may know better

[03:19:45]

kormoc:

mag0o: what's segfaulting?

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Beirdo:

and wonky under metallurgy

[03:20:05]

mag0o:

sorry kormoc, mythweb wasn't the right term

[03:20:11]

mag0o:

web browser inside myth

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sphery:

browser?

[03:20:15]

sphery:

mythbrowser

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mag0o:

yeah

[03:20:17]

mag0o:

that

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sphery:

doing what?

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mag0o:

segfault when i try to open any of my sites

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mag0o:

i've got gdb traces if you want me to pastebin them

[03:21:27]

sphery:

I don't remember any reports or commits for mythbrowser recently

[03:21:34]

sphery:

trace would be useful

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mag0o:

k, one min

[03:22:12]

** wagnerrp cheers for Castle **

[03:22:32]

wagnerrp:

they did the commensurate image enhancement

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wagnerrp:

but instead of making the image unrealistically clear from a low resolution camera

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wagnerrp:

they did edge detection to pick up the outline of a structure in the background

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sphery:

nice

[03:24:33]

sphery:

though it's probably just because they don't have the fancy Microsoft Table that CSI: Miami has

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Beirdo:

OK...

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wagnerrp:

of course the rest of the technology theyre using in this episode is absolutely ridiculous, at least they got that bit right

[03:24:58]

Beirdo:

question...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no... theyve for a transparent wall thingy like on Quantum of Solace

[03:25:14]

Beirdo:

for missing weather data, would you rather it be blank, or say N/A

[03:25:20]

wagnerrp:

s/for/got/

[03:25:23]

sphery:

oooh, wow

[03:25:29]

wagnerrp:

something the feds brought in to capture a serial killer

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sphery:

take that MS!

[03:26:11]

wagnerrp:

along with enough computing power and recognition database to make someone at the NSA jealous

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sphery:

Beirdo: N/A makes it seem less like a bug

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Beirdo:

dangit :)

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Beirdo:

that was my feeling too

[03:27:20]

Beirdo:

still leaving the code there to handle "---" as meaning leave it blank

[03:27:22]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

wait, are they watching satellite imagery now? or is that a drone?

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sphery:

Beirdo: strange... O, for "omit"?

[03:28:33]

sphery:

(Morse code :)

[03:28:45]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:28:52]

Beirdo:

I hadn't thought of it, but yeah

[03:30:09]

Beirdo:

it does look less like a bug

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sphery:

It's sad that we have to code not only to not have bugs, but so that proper behavior doesn't /look/ like a bug.

[03:30:53]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

sad.

[03:30:59]

Beirdo:

oh well :)

[03:31:19]

Beirdo:

now to convince the themers to add the copyright to each and every page

[03:31:46]

mag0o:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/TekjYurV

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Beirdo:

but with that bug already in place :)

[03:31:59]

mag0o:

so, now it's apparent that i need to get one of those handy cli pastebin scripts

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sphery:

mag0o: the new pastebin has browser plugins

[03:32:22]

mag0o:

i think it fails @ line 1582, but i'm no good at reading those

[03:32:40]

sphery:

http://pastebin.com/tools_firefox.php

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sphery:

etc

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i cant imagine what for

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wagnerrp:

if youre already in firefox to paste it in, just go to the page and paste it in

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sphery:

yeah, guess it's not as useful as the cli ones

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sphery:

I hadn't read what it does

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sphery:

mag0o: so that didn't actually segfault, right?

[03:34:17]

sphery:

you ctrl-c'ed it?

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mag0o:

shift + insert

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: which Xvnc is it that you have working with OpenGL?

[03:35:45]

wagnerrp:

tight

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wagnerrp:

1.3.10

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Beirdo:

odd. not workin here

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mag0o:

sphery: without gdb running, it segfaults and dies, with gdb running, it hangs

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wagnerrp:

yeah, didnt used to work for me either

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wagnerrp:

just magically started one day

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Beirdo:

1.3.9 here

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Beirdo:

maybe they fixed it in .10?

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sphery:

mag0o: out of curiosity, what's your CPU usage when idling on main menu and Watch Recordings screens?

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infidel:

can someone help me setup mythtv to watch tv with my usb device?

[03:37:22]

mag0o:

sphery: i did have those race conditions before that you sent me a patch for

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mag0o:

mythtv-7953-revert-changesets_23304_and_23317-timer_hack.patch

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sphery:

you're not using the patch now?

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infidel:

or at least the mysql database part

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mag0o:

no

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sphery:

is your CPU usage high on those screens, now?

[03:38:38]

mag0o:

let me check

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sphery:

because once again, it looks like the patch (now http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-79 . . . r_hack.patch ) may prevent the issue you're seeing

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Beirdo:

woohoo. my db schema change even worked as desired

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mag0o:

sphery: on mfe startup, idle cpu goes from 90% or so down to 70% then creeps back up to 90% over about 2 mins or so

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sphery:

mag0o: wow... that's, er, /a bit/ high

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mag0o:

thats idle

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mag0o:

idle cpu

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sphery:

I'm just upgrading my DB

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wagnerrp:

we should get the ttvdb/tmdb guys to put out some sort of statistics

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sphery:

and I'll run a test of MythBrowser

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mag0o:

not cpu usage

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sphery:

oh, ilde

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sphery:

so it's basically 10% not idle... is that primarily mfe?

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mag0o:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i recall one of them saying any of the other projects are little more than a blib compared to the amount of load xbmc causes

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wagnerrp:

id be interested to see just by how much

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wagnerrp:

blip

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sphery:

heh, I just accidentally forgot to run mythbackend before running mythfrontend when trying to upgrade my db

[03:43:57]

sphery:

but because I accidentally ran mythtv-setup instead of mythfrontend, it worked

[03:44:04]

sphery:

2 wrongs /do/ make a right

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wagnerrp:

i mean if thats the case, i dont see why we dont make more pervasive use of those sites

[03:46:59]

wagnerrp:

im considering writing a user job to repopulate any recordings with that data and imagery

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mag0o:

sphery: since i've just done svn up since i applied that patch, I'm getting "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R?"

[03:47:19]

mag0o:

and since i'm no patch application whiz, i'm assuming that i'm still patched?

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iamlindoro:

Alec really needs some guidelines on what to open a ticket for.

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sphery:

mag0o: that's a rollup of the changes... So, you can either patch -R the one with the 2 changesets and then apply the 4 changeset version

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sphery:

or you can: svn revert libs/libmythdb/libmythdb.pro libs/libmythui/mythmainwindow.cpp

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sphery:

then apply the 4-changeset versoin

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sphery:

oh, you might also have to: svn revert libs/libmythdb/mythsignalingtimer.*

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sphery:

(wouldn't hurt, at least)

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mag0o:

the first svn revert got those 2 rolled back and the patch applied

[03:51:18]

mag0o:

there was no diff in mythsignalingtimer

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mag0o:

i'll recompile and see what i get

[03:52:09]

mag0o:

is there anything i can do to try to help fix the issue instead of patching around it?

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sphery:

I need to do some tests with/without the patch on different distros and with different Qt versions

[03:53:04]

sphery:

then try to convince the PTB that we should revert the changes

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sphery:

since it's attempting to work around an unimportant bug in Qt that has no real effects on the user, and that's already been fixed

[03:53:43]

sphery:

only effect is that it "looks like it's burning CPU"

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mag0o:

ok, figured i'd offer :)

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sphery:

and if they use current Qt, it shouldn't have any effect

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: thanks for triaging the mythweather bugs ;)

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sphery:

mag0o: yeah, it's working for me with no crashes or otherwise, but I've got that patch applied

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sphery:

let me try without it

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Beirdo:

2/4 were feature requests, which I don't feel like mucking with anyways at the exact second

[03:56:31]

Beirdo:

one is silly

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iamlindoro:

I still think #8255 is one too :)

[03:56:41]

Beirdo:

m/s vs. km/h?

[03:56:51]

iamlindoro:

but if you want to do something about it, obviosuly that's okay too

[03:56:52]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I'll fix kph to km/h

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Beirdo:

that's it

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iamlindoro:

works for me

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Beirdo:

if he wants m/s, let's see patches, or put it on a features-wishlist wiki page :)

[03:58:05]

iamlindoro:

That kind of unit toggle seems so trivial as to not warrant any sort of setting, though

[03:58:16]

iamlindoro:

I would hate to see a setting for that :)

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Beirdo:

yeah. I don't know how we'd want to deal with that

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Beirdo:

if he wants to get anal... deg C isn't SI according to his idea

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Beirdo:

Kelvin is

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sphery:

translation files + conversion logic?

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Beirdo:

I grew up with metric... I can almost do the m/s -> km/h in my head.

[03:59:39]

Beirdo:

it's a * 3.6

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Beirdo:

not that hard

[04:00:12]

Beirdo:

but knots vs mph vs Beaufort vs whatever?

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Beirdo:

meh

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wagnerrp:

Beaufort?

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Beirdo:

I forget who uses that

[04:01:14]

Beirdo:

it's nautical like knots though

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mag0o:

Smokey and The Bandit

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** wagnerrp prefers bs/s **

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mag0o:

Beaufort T. Justice ?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: what's that, the measurement of traffic on mythtv-users ML?

[04:02:04]

wagnerrp:

beard-seconds per second

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Beirdo:

heh

[04:03:02]

wagnerrp:

either that, or furlongs per fortnight

[04:03:05]

Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale

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sphery:

mag0o: I'm not getting a crash without the patch, either

[04:03:48]

Beirdo:

I think we can pass on Beaufort and knots for now

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mag0o:

sphery: i only need to rebuild mythtv, not plugins, right?

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Beirdo:

mythtv isn't for sailboats, is it?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: of course my car has around 720 donkypower

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mag0o:

MythSail

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you lost the one clean way to use the word ass

[04:05:34]

Beirdo:

anyways...

[04:05:51]

mag0o:

720 asspower ?

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sphery:

mag0o: heh, I just realized that that backtrace has multiple backtraces

[04:06:09]

sphery:

I was looking at an old one

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Beirdo:

yup. donkey = ass of course

[04:06:16]

mag0o:

ahh, it appends, sorry

[04:06:20]

sphery:

(I looked at the first one in there :)

[04:06:31]

mag0o:

i thought i changed that

[04:06:42]

sphery:

the final one is actually a segfault

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wagnerrp:

are we allow to use any language approved by the DMV for use on vanity plates?

[04:07:07]

Beirdo:

depends on where

[04:07:09]

Beirdo:

:)

[04:07:15]

wagnerrp:

new york

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sphery:

mag0o: it's crashing in /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0

[04:07:19]

wagnerrp:

maybe new jersey

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Beirdo:

after all, here in PR, they don't censor plates at all

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sphery:

mag0o: Is it just one site? Maybe it's a bad image.

[04:07:58]

** wagnerrp recalls a certain seinfeld episode about a proctologist **

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mag0o:

let me check

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

iamlindoro: hahaha.. jamu found a very funny banner for Castle.

[04:08:40]

Beirdo:

I think that NY would actually block that plate

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sphery:

mag0o: I think that first bt in there is the one you gave me when I recommended you try the timer-hack reversion patch

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iamlindoro:

xris, Castle needs an override in your jamu.conf if you want the proper one

[04:09:20]

iamlindoro:

since TVDB has it as "Castle (2009)"

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sphery:

anyway, on the bright side, it looks like you won't have to use that patch to fix this one

[04:09:39]

wagnerrp:

xris: dead man under a book?

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mag0o:

sphery: it fails on all sites. Terra theme, lifehacker.com, reddit.com, cnn.com

[04:09:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

TVDB needs screenshots from the new Castle commercial with the pool table. even my wife said that was a great commercial.

[04:09:50]

xris:

wagnerrp: no.. an actual castle.

[04:09:56]

sphery:

unfrotunately, fixing it might be /very/ difficult (as it's a library that Qt is using/built against that's failing). So it's actually far removed from Myth code.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, what iamlindoro said

[04:10:13]

sphery:

let me try a couple of those sites

[04:12:10]

sphery:

one day I have to learn to do more than just open a page in MythBrowser

[04:12:31]

sphery:

mag0o: do you have the flash plugin installed?

[04:12:36]

mag0o:

yes

[04:12:46]

mag0o:

10.1 beta iirc

[04:13:14]

sphery:

64-bit

[04:13:19]

mag0o:

no

[04:13:27]

sphery:

good, my test machine is 32-bit

[04:13:28]

mag0o:

thinkpad t43

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sphery:

cnn.com worked without it

[04:13:35]

sphery:

trying with it

[04:13:44]

sphery:

(after I download it)

[04:13:54]

iamlindoro:

xris, cp mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts/jamu-example.conf ~/.mythtv/jamu.conf

[04:14:02]

xris:

iamlindoro: yeah, did that. it's running now

[04:14:06]

xris:

downloaded a bunch of art

[04:14:06]

iamlindoro:

xris, We have a bunch of pre-seeded overrides in that file

[04:14:10]

iamlindoro:

(including Castle)

[04:14:12]

xris:

but not castle

[04:14:18]

xris:

and not stargate universe

[04:14:23]

iamlindoro:

Yuh-huh it is ;)

[04:14:23]

iamlindoro:

Castle:83462

[04:14:30]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: any idea why I get a buttload of QImage::scaled: Image is a null image with Arclight and Qt painting?

[04:14:49]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, No idea, but it ould be outside of the theme's control

[04:14:54]

Beirdo:

OK

[04:15:01]

xris:

iamlindoro: odd that it grabbed the wrong banner the first time, then

[04:15:02]

Beirdo:

just curious if you ever ran across it

[04:15:16]

xris:

iamlindoro: if you want: Stargate Universe:83237

[04:15:29]

xris:

iamlindoro: I see two copies of castle in my file now.. the one I added and the included one.

[04:15:52]

iamlindoro:

xris, Did you copy in the jamu.conf before you tried the first time?

[04:16:08]

mag0o:

sphery: fwiw, those sites did work with 23801.

[04:16:16]

xris:

iamlindoro: have no idea at this point. but it didn't report anything but errors until after I had a conf file

[04:16:20]

mag0o:

(thats the most recent build i have before this one im on)

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xris:

and it didn't download anything before that.

[04:16:42]

xris:

not sure why it grabbed the wrong banner (it grabbed correct posters, fanart, etc)

[04:16:55]

xris:

has the correct one now.

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xris:

and the only errors I get are something to do with IMDB (not TMDB)

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sphery:

mag0o: there it is!

[04:17:21]

mag0o:

flash killing me?

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sphery:

mag0o: on the bright side, all you have to do is get the Flash Player source code, then find the bug, then fix it, then upload the patch to the Flash Player bug tracker

[04:17:54]

xris:

oh.. it's 404 stuff for some oneoff series.

[04:17:55]

mag0o:

YAY!

[04:17:59]

sphery:

oh, wait... Stupid proprietary, closed source...

[04:18:22]

** xris goes to eat dinner and watch some TV (and play with Arclight) **

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wagnerrp:

dinner? bit late isnt it?

[04:20:30]

sphery:

mag0o: on the bright side, Flash 10.0 stable works

[04:21:03]

sphery:

"It looks like you are from outside the U.S. Would you like make International your default edition"

[04:21:10]

sphery:

What? CNN is smokin' something

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wagnerrp:

sphery: if were moving away from dumping all sorts of crap in contrib, is there an alternate preferred location?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: generally, IMHO, anything that's not officially supported should be in the wiki

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Beirdo:

until we have a spot on services (or the like)

[04:22:23]

wagnerrp:

do you know if file uploads are supported? or just images?

[04:22:28]

sphery:

and anything that's supported should be in a non-contrib

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Beirdo:

just images, AFAIK

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sphery:

right, services might work in the future

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Beirdo:

if that takes too long, we may put in a stop-gap somewhere

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infidel:

what's the default db name?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts is the current place

[04:23:33]

mag0o:

sphery: spot on. i went with flash 10.0_r45 and no segfaults

[04:23:46]

sphery:

for mag0o great... now just write your Adobe-men

[04:24:15]

sphery:

Or go to one of Steve Jobs' speeches and yell out, "Yeah!" every time he talks about how crashy Flash is.

[04:24:21]

sphery:

:)

[04:24:33]

mag0o:

hehe

[04:25:14]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: so the idea on Arclight is to toss fanart into the Backgrounds dir then?

[04:25:45]

iamlindoro:

backgrounds dir will be randomized background any time fanart is *not* available for the screen

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what particular thing were you thinking about?

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sphery:

infidel: mythconverg (no e)

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iamlindoro:

actual MythVideo/MythGame/recordings fanart goes in their defined dirs

[04:26:00]

Beirdo:

preferrably at 1920x1080

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sphery:

er, technically, one e, but no /final/ e

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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infidel:

sphery, mythtv complains about not being able to login

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I have a lot to learn about fanart, it seems :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i wrote up a single mythvideo scanner a while back, to work out bugs in the bindings

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sphery:

single as in standalone?

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wagnerrp:

and im about halfway though a user job to pull supplemental metadata from ttvdb/tmdb for recordings

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wagnerrp:

erm... s/single/simple/

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sphery:

infidel: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, YIKES... for personal use only I hope?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice... Python scripts?

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iamlindoro:

oh, not for the whole guide

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: recordings only

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infidel:

sphery, thanks

[04:29:30]

iamlindoro:

well, guess just for recordings that's fine then

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iamlindoro:

yeah, my bad

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sphery:

user job, post recording :)

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wagnerrp:

basically, similar to what jamu does, but as a userjob rather than external cron tool

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sphery:

wow, I'm so slow you /both/ said that before me

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

pull metadata and artwork if it doesnt exist

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sphery:

infidel: pay attention to both the grants and the skip-networking/bind-address parts

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infidel:

sphery, copy

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wagnerrp:

basically, im just trying to think of up things to write to give examples of how to use the bindings

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jstenback:

anyone else seeing "libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd" when trying to playback a ripped dvd (.iso file from disk) with 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups

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jstenback:

I believe I am, yes

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wagnerrp:

see the wiki

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jstenback:

should I not?

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Beirdo:

ughh, sleep time

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wagnerrp:

specifically the bit about current limitations

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sphery:

jstenback: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

basically, storage groups are the 'way forward', and mythvideo is expected to drop (or significantly alter) local file support in the future

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wagnerrp:

however due to the way dvd, iso, and VIDEO_TS playback is currently handled, that will not work with storage groups in its current form

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wagnerrp:

there is work being done to fix that limitation

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wagnerrp:

i just opened the frontend... but now i cant recall why

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: I see...

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: I seem to recall that mythweb requires storage groups for its video view though...

[05:39:18]

jstenback:

maybe I'm mis-remembering there...

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23, yes

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: is the work being done on that current limitation scheduled to be fixed in 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

with 0.23 being in feature freeze for the better part of two months, no

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wagnerrp:

it hopefully will be by 0.24

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wagnerrp:

due out late this year

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

I think it was gbee who sent me the UTF-8 patches for mythweather? anyways, as far as I can see, it works.

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wagnerrp:

it seems we're now trying to stay in lock step ahead of ubuntu's releases

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jstenback:

ok, so mythvideo is effectively not usable in both the frontend and in mythweb in 0.23, you'll need to pick one...

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wagnerrp:

jstenback: it works just fine in both for most people

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wagnerrp:

(i.e. those not using ISOs)

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jstenback:

wagnerrp: ah, good point

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wagnerrp:

theres some makemkv floating around that will apparently rip out the primary movie, concatenate, and multiplex losslessly

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wagnerrp:

no transcoding involved, shouldnt take more than a dozen minutes per file

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wagnerrp:

much less if youve got decent hard drives

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jstenback:

makes sense

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oobe:

now the option of setting default mythvideo browse mode is gone is in video settings is it sposed to remember your last selection as default

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oobe:

cause mine isnt doing that atleast it only does it on occasion

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wagnerrp:

i really hate it when people talk about 'decoding 1080p'

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oobe:

i'm the 23 fixes branch

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wagnerrp:

thats an absolutely worthless phrase that people use ALL THE TIME

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oobe:

i found what im talking about http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22633

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oobe:

i cant find a ticket though

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oobe:

so i dont know if its just me or unreported

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jstenback:

anyone else here have stuttering audio with 0.23 when using a 2-channel analog audio output device?

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

whats your cpu usage like

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jstenback:

one sec

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jstenback:

about 15–20%

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jstenback:

this is on an IONITX mb with a single core atom chip

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jstenback:

[R]: FWIW, shows that were recorded with stereo audio only (off of a PVR-250) play fine

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[R]:

so what doesn't play fine?

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jstenback:

[R]: but shows recorded through a HD-PVR (using digital audio in etc) doesn't

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[R]:

what errors are in the forntend log

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[R]:

are you sure its the audio tahts studdering and not the whole video file?

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jstenback:

[R]: seems like there's a whole lot of "NVP(8): prebuffering pause" in the logs

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pak0:

good morning

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jstenback:

[R]: the same files play fine, audio and video, on my other identical fe, the only difference being digital audio out (works) vs analog (doesn't)

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jstenback:

and by doesn't I mean it stutters

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[R]:

sure its set up identically?

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jstenback:

Well, the one that uses digital out has a different alsa setting, 5.1 etc...

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jstenback:

[R]: the one with analog audio has "Speakers configuration" set to Stereo

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[R]:

thats it?

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jstenback:

anything else and I get no audio at all out the analog port

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jstenback:

[R]: AFAICT, yeah

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[R]:

weird

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jstenback:

ALSA:default, Stereo

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jstenback:

[R]: any logging that would be of use here?

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[R]:

the frontend log

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jstenback:

just default log output?

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jstenback:

[R]: and FWIW, both these fe's played the same files fine with 0.22

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jstenback:

they both network boot off of the same host, same directory, same kernel etc

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[R]:

so file a bug report

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jstenback:

[R]: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711496 in case that's helpful

[07:32:30]

jstenback:

[R]: yeah, I'll file a bug tomorrow, I'll poke around a bit more just to make sure

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[R]:

well you shodul'nt be getting tholse pauses

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jstenback:

[R]: ok, thanks for looking

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sphery:

jstenback: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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sphery:

it's most likely a configuration issue, not a bug

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sphery:

jstenback: I'd guess you should look at the resampling stuff--and maybe turn it down/off

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jstenback:

sphery: "resampling stuff"?

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sphery:

under advanced audio configuration in General settings in mythfrontend

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sphery:

Best is a /very/ bad idea

[07:41:27]

sphery:

unless you have a supercomputer as a frontend

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sphery:

Good may be too much for your system

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sphery:

I think Good is default

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jstenback:

sphery: fastest seems to be the default here, but I don't even get those settings unless I change "Speaker configuration" from stereo to 5.1 at which point I loose all audio

[07:45:44]

jstenback:

I'll need to sit down at this fe tomorrow and play around some more, but I don't see a way to change the resampling stuff w/o claiming you've got a 5.1 speaker config

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jstenback:

which I don't at this fe

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wagnerrp:

just what does 'best' do?

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wagnerrp:

does it run against that entire 8MB resampling table?

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jstenback:

don't know, but my single core atom seems to actually keep up with that (the fe that actually has 5.1 speakers)

[07:51:19]

jstenback:

and digital audio out

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jstenback:

but at ~33% cpu usage

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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pak0:

still fighting with my two af9015 :/

[08:27:57]

sphery:

"the only machines that i posess that have cards in them are my backends. i do not want to have to add graphics cards to frontends" <-- seems /extremely/ backwards

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wagnerrp:

whats going on? everyone is up late tonight

[08:49:01]

[Peter]:

late? it's almost lunch!

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[Peter]:

;)

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grumpydevil:

sphery: it is at least strange... FE are the machines where i put in graphics cards...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: maybe he has all slim ~2" thick boxes, and doesnt want to use riser cards

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sphery:

yeah, but talk about putting power where it's useless... video cards in backends?

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wagnerrp:

i think he means tuner cards

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sphery:

he was talking about ATI

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sphery:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2010-March/068032.html

[09:00:27]

wagnerrp:

im reading

[09:00:53]

wagnerrp:

hes saying he want to use onboard graphics because he doesnt want to use discrete cards for anything

[09:01:12]

wagnerrp:

the only thing hes willing to use them for is tuner cards in the backend

[09:01:13]

sphery:

but why would he put discrete cards in his backends?

[09:01:40]

sphery:

ah, I see

[09:01:41]

wagnerrp:

not graphics cards, just cards

[09:01:54]

sphery:

didn't catch the transition

[09:02:14]

sphery:

a nice "any cards" to emphasize the point would have been nice

[09:02:28]

sphery:

or "any type of"

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** wagnerrp is a night person, who retains full comprehension up to an hour after lying down in bed **

[09:03:09]

wagnerrp:

of course im completely worthless in the morning

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sphery:

heh

[09:03:39]

clever:

its 6am here and i'm wide awake

[09:03:51]

clever:

i think i got up around 10pm

[09:04:16]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i ended up updating (rewriting) another script i found lurking around the wiki instead

[09:05:15]

sphery:

nice

[09:05:19]

sphery:

which one?

[09:05:40]

wagnerrp:

some firefox --> mythbrowser bookmark thing

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wagnerrp:

made it ~3x as long in the process

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sphery:

heh

[09:06:10]

sphery:

I see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Update_bookmarks_from_file

[09:07:06]

sphery:

and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_video_scan.py

[09:07:39]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl is almost ready for deletion

[09:07:39]

wagnerrp:

of course half of that is the fugly HTML parser

[09:08:29]

wagnerrp:

its fugly, but its at least a proper parser

[09:08:40]

wagnerrp:

the previous method was little more than a 'grep'

[09:10:07]

clever:

i'm not sure where id start for making a proper parser, other then going thru it character by character and following the right rules

[09:10:08]

pak0:

now the firmware of af9015 is dissappears

[09:11:14]

wagnerrp:

clever: by that, i mean its tracking tags, and maintaining some form of stack

[09:11:40]

wagnerrp:

the previous one just searched for lines that contained 'whatever', and then did basic string processing to pull out the data it wanted

[09:11:43]

clever:

yeah, that would be needed to know what tag the tags are in

[09:12:16]

clever:

most of my own html processing is either via JS DOM or raw regex

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pak0:

nice http://pastebin.org/128452 ??

[09:12:32]

clever:

ive done a bit with php's dom api, but regex is simpler

[09:12:36]

wagnerrp:

i would have preferred to use some sort of DOM

[09:12:48]

wagnerrp:

but that would require pulling in an external dependency for a cheap little script

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sphery:

I hear bash is good for parsing HTML

[09:13:32]

clever:

sphery: ive seen an entire irc client in bash before, bash can do anything

[09:13:43]

wagnerrp:

bash cant do crap

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wagnerrp:

bash offloads nearly everything onto external programs

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clever:

wagnerrp: the one i saw was almost purely bash itself

[09:14:24]

clever:

it ran fine on a system with almost none of the std tools installed

[09:14:48]

clever:

bash itself can do tcp networking

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wagnerrp:

s/bash cant do crap/bash cant do crap unless youre sadistic/

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

you need to bash at the keyboard alot to get an irc client out of it :P

[09:16:49]

wagnerrp:

you need to bash your head quite a bit to remove the bit with any sense

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sphery:

I'm actually surprised that quilt is still bash

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sphery:

it's grown large enough that I don't see any valid reason to keep it in bash

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sphery:

(other than lack of motivation to reimplement it in non-bash)

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sphery:

clever: http://alge.anart.no/linux/scripts/bairc-1.3.bash ?

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clever:

sphery: that might be it, i lost it years ago and forgot what it was actualy called

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wagnerrp:

look at that

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wagnerrp:

theyre routing everything through pipe 666

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sphery:

it uses dialog, but seems to do the rest using basically I/O redirection

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wagnerrp:

i told you they were sadistic

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sphery:

yeah, sad thing is it's better (and simpler) than some of the recent bash scripts users have created for Myth stuff

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wagnerrp:

and it looks _clean_

[09:24:46]

wagnerrp:

i could actually read through that in not a lot of time figure out whats going on

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sphery:

so what is fd 666?

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wagnerrp:

i assume its just some global numbered pipe

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wagnerrp:

that they chose assuming no one else would be so evil as to use it

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

how do they hook it to a network device...

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wagnerrp:

0 is stdin, 1 is stdout, 2 is stderr, 666 is ... the tube to hell

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

exec 666<> /dev/tcp/$server/$port

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sphery:

yeah, crazy

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clever:

/dev/tcp is a magic bash thing

[10:00:51]

clever:

it looks like a special file, but when bash see's that it will instead open the tcp socket the normal way

[10:01:08]

clever:

ive seen it before, then tried to write a dcc accepting script using cat but never got 'cat /dev/tcp/$server/$port' to work, took a while to figure out that bash was needed

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Jester05:

anyone online?

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Jester05:

need some advise on something non-myth related though..

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oobe:

Jester05, dont ask to ask just ask

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oobe:

if its non myth related though wouldnt it be better to ask in a more relevent channel

[11:10:45]

Jester05:

there isn't really a channel for this question and I'm friends with a few guys in here..

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Jester05:

I just graduated w/ my BS in EE and I'm trying to figure out what to do w/ my life.. :-\

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dibbz:

fix my xorg hangs

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dibbz:

then you'd feel good :P

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dibbz:

ok, so this recording will hang my x time after time yet i play it back via xbmc and it's good

[12:31:33]

ivor:

so track down whats hanging and where

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dibbz:

i did, mythfrontend

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dibbz:

19 times out of 20 it is one particualr channel too

[12:33:11]

dibbz:

and only since ive had my hdhomerun

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dibbz:

i guess i shoudl kill -8 it and backtrace the core, but it'll just lead me here again

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi all

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oobe:

dibbz, its possible its the display driver you are using

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oobe:

Beirdo, you around

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Jester05:

s there no one else

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Beirdo:

here now

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Jester05:

hey mate

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Beirdo:

ahoy

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Beirdo:

oobe: you rang?

[14:17:39]

jcarlos:

sheeva

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jcarlos:

Ups ... sorry

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oobe:

hi Beirdo

[14:31:54]

oobe:

did you get my pm

[14:31:58]

Beirdo:

whazzup?

[14:32:07]

Beirdo:

I don't see any PM

[14:32:13]

oobe:

ok

[14:32:52]

** Beirdo busily cleans unauthorized apps off his work machine **

[14:33:08]

oobe:

heh i typed /msh

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Beirdo:

ahh, the drunk msg

[14:48:31]

oobe:

Ä‚

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ThisOtherGuy:

Can anyone explain to me the difference between following the debugging procedure here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 or just enabling core dumps in the OS?

[14:49:18]

ComradeHaz`:

'afternoon' all

[14:50:25]

ComradeHaz`:

would a "model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.00GHz" be enough for a backend capturing from an HD PVR and a satelite card while viewing another thing be powerful enough?

[14:50:31]

ComradeHaz`:

I'm guessing not

[14:51:32]

ivor:

backends dont need much grunt. especially for recording digital/already compressed sources.

[14:52:02]

ComradeHaz`:

where does one need the power then?

[14:52:09]

ComradeHaz`:

or is the whole process really not that bad?

[14:52:24]

ivor:

decoding stuff

[14:52:28]

ivor:

displaying stuff

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AndyCap:

ComradeHaz`: frontend needs power. commflag needs power

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ivor:

transcoding stuff

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ComradeHaz`:

oh my! I seem to not undertand all this yet then!

[14:53:34]

ComradeHaz`:

is there a little guide somewhere that explains how the system works and what's done where?

[14:54:15]

ComradeHaz`:

I thought it was the backend everything was connected to and the front end basically just displayd it

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Beirdo:

ivor: they do if using lamegrabbers

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Beirdo:

:)

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ivor:

Beirdo: c.f. previous comment avout already compressed sources. :D

[14:55:15]

ivor:

s/avout/about/

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

fair enough

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm

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ComradeHaz`:

but presumably capturing from a satelite pci card is not already compressed?

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ivor:

if its a digital transmission. e.g. DVB then yes its an mpeg stream.

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ComradeHaz`:

hmm, I see

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ComradeHaz`:

so would you mind giving me some figures as to the sort of spec's I should be building each box to?

[14:58:22]

ComradeHaz`:

As I say, I wish to be able to capture from an HDPVR, at least one satelite fed PCI card and playback a third thing all at once

[14:58:29]

ComradeHaz`:

maybe in time 2 satelite cards

[15:01:01]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, stick to an nvidia card supporting vdpau on the frontends, dual-core or better on the backend, 1G or better ram, and the rest doesnt really matter

[15:01:30]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, although with the HDPVR you will wants lots of disk

[15:01:33]

ComradeHaz`:

ok

[15:01:54]

ComradeHaz`:

so the front end power is in the form of GPU and backend in form of CPU?

[15:02:11]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, thats the gist

[15:02:36]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, but you will want to stay fairly modern on the CPU on the front sde

[15:02:54]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, dont rely on a PIII 700Mhz to do it for you ;-)

[15:03:09]

ComradeHaz`:

yeah, just thinking what's going to be cool and quiet

[15:03:34]

Beirdo:

likely AMD64 as that's a trademark of theirs :)

[15:03:47]

ComradeHaz`:

You are joking, right?

[15:03:49]

oobe:

ComradeHaz` only if you are using vdpau or xvmc as a playback profile will the frontend utilize the GPU all other playback profiles will use the cpu

[15:04:01]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, you can pickup a Scyth Mini Ninja CPU cooler kit and run a decent CPU very quite

[15:04:29]

oobe:

its worth having a cpu somthing that can still handle playback if you come accross certain video types that dont work that well with vdpau

[15:04:45]

foxbuntu:

oobe, this is true

[15:04:46]

ComradeHaz`:

right.

[15:04:54]

ComradeHaz`:

information flooding in :D

[15:05:07]

ComradeHaz`:

OK, so looking for GPU's with these capabiliities

[15:05:11]

** Beirdo yawns **

[15:05:23]

Beirdo:

why do mornings inevitably suck?

[15:05:30]

** ComradeHaz` hands Beirdo some of his magic coffee **

[15:05:36]

ivor:

usually lack of coffee.

[15:05:39]

ComradeHaz`:

:D

[15:05:43]

ivor:

heh

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Beirdo:

ivor: good point

[15:05:53]

oobe:

you can get nice nvidia ones that support hdmi audio and vdpau for just under $50 these days

[15:05:54]

Beirdo:

I should go make more

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ComradeHaz`:

audio not an issue

[15:06:11]

ComradeHaz`:

connecting to analogue amp

[15:06:24]

ComradeHaz`:

hdmi fed directly to a projector

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foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, then stick to DVI/VGA for video out if possible

[15:06:43]

ComradeHaz`:

uh

[15:06:57]

ComradeHaz`:

I have an hdmi cable in place already

[15:07:03]

foxbuntu:

alright

[15:07:08]

foxbuntu:

stick to that then :)

[15:07:13]

ComradeHaz`:

have a switch box though

[15:07:13]

foxbuntu:

lol

[15:07:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

ComradeHaz`: or a card with DVI output with a DVI -> HDMI adapter for your cable.

[15:07:28]

ComradeHaz`:

is there an advantage to using a dvi --> hdmi cable?

[15:07:32]

foxbuntu:

or just the adapter

[15:07:55]

foxbuntu:

ComradeHaz`, DVI/VGA tend to have less issues with overscan

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[Peter]:

what?

[15:08:12]

foxbuntu:

...at least in my expereience

[15:08:24]

[Peter]:

the video part of HDMI is the same as DVI, at least digital DVI

[15:08:34]

ComradeHaz`:

I didn't realise there was an appreciable difference between an hdmi and an hdmi output

[15:08:40]

ComradeHaz`:

yer

[15:08:44]

ComradeHaz`:

that was my understanding

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foxbuntu:

[Peter], yes, but HDMI on the Card/Mobo generally communicate with the drivers differently, I know the HDMI/DVI specs are the same

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[Peter]:

foxbuntu: "communicate differently"?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ComradeHaz`: if you've already got a HDMI cable 'run', and don't want to spend the $ on a card with 'native' HDMI out, use one with DVI out and a Male DVI to Female HDMI adapter to plug your existing cable into.

[15:10:05]

foxbuntu:

[Peter], as in I generally havent seen the EDI data get picked up via HDMI vs DVI/VGA

[15:10:22]

[Peter]:

foxbuntu: ok, I guess you're just doing it wrong then

[15:10:29]

[Peter]:

foxbuntu: I have never had a problem with EDID over HDMI

[15:10:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

foxbuntu: I prefer DVI/HDMI – perfect resolution with no modeline... ;-)

[15:11:03]

foxbuntu:

[Peter], thats possible, or it could be my TVs ect, like I said, in my experience

[15:11:45]

[Peter]:

it is entirely possible for some TVs to treat inputs differently though, I know one of my samsung TVs only offer a 1:1 pixel mapped resolution on one of the HDMI inputs.

[15:12:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, and my DVI/HDMI experience has been limited to LCD Computer monitors too, so that's another difference... ;-)

[15:12:57]

ComradeHaz`:

hmm

[15:13:07]

ComradeHaz`:

looking for a low profile card is teh thing that's really hard

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[Peter]:

2/3 inputs only offer 1280x720p, whereas the last one give you 1360x768 which is the displays native resolution

[15:13:31]

ComradeHaz`:

the amount of choice plummets :(

[15:14:17]

AndyCap:

[Peter]: 1366x768 most likely, but that doesn't divide evenly with 8

[15:15:16]

Beirdo:

hmmm, this laptop's sounding particularly crappy today (audio-wise)

[15:15:19]

[Peter]:

AndyCap: yeah, not 100% sure if it's 1360 or 1366 :)

[15:15:31]

Beirdo:

there

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J-e-f-f-A:

ComradeHaz`: There's 48 on newegg... if you're in the US... ;-) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . profile+pcie

[15:15:47]

Beirdo:

turn on the eq, drop 3dB. it was clipping

[15:15:53]

[Peter]:

AndyCap: it was 1360x768

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Beirdo:

WTG, WMP!

[15:16:06]

AndyCap:

[Peter]: what tv?

[15:16:16]

Beirdo:

hard to tell when playing Offspring

[15:16:24]

[Peter]:

AndyCap: samsung something, it's a few years now

[15:16:39]

Beirdo:

noise + noise :)

[15:17:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

ComradeHaz`: And even if you're not in the US, it'll give you an idea of what's available out there...

[15:18:07]

[Peter]:

AndyCap: the edid ModelName says SAMSUNG :)

[15:18:07]

ComradeHaz`:

thanks J-e-f-f-A, I'm UK, but indeed will be helpful

[15:18:33]

ComradeHaz`:

would you recommend any of those in particular/

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[Peter]:

AndyCap: http://3674c1b8182ca8f7.paste.se/

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Beirdo:

OK. Has coffee

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** ivor tickles the back of his epia. **

[15:21:35]

Beirdo:

tryin to make it puke?

[15:22:12]

ivor:

trying to cheer it up. people are always being mean. :)

[15:22:18]

Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

at least I understand now why I like Offspring (the band)

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Beirdo:

one word... bass

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Beirdo:

their bass player is quite decent :)

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Beirdo:

playing-wise at least

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J-e-f-f-A:

ComradeHaz`: I've got a mixture of brands/models in my boxes right now – Galaxy, MSI and PNI, and 8400GS through 9400... I'd probably go with a 220 or 240 with 512MB nowadays though.

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mdisieno:

okay, heres my problem. I am running ubuntu karmic on my htpc and am trying to push it up to my vizio vx37l at 1920x1080. What I am running into is the edges of my screen are cut off no matter the resolution. I am using a geforce 7900gt with dual dualink dvi ports, on one of those ports i have a dvi-d single link cable going from the htpc to dvi>hdmi adapter for the tv. My first though was the pc, but it works beautifully wit

[15:30:18]

mdisieno:

h rgb-vga, so I'm lost, any ideas?

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks he meant 210 or 220 ... oops. **

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AndyCap:

mdisieno: tv has overscan?

[15:38:36]

mdisieno:

that i am not sure, i am looking at system specs now on the tv, and i dont have my remote for it

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wagnerrp:

it almost certainly is doing overscan

[15:39:04]

wagnerrp:

you need to use the 'screen setup wizard' in the frontend settings

[15:39:06]

AndyCap:

it could be the kind of stuff they don't think is important to tell you about

[15:39:39]

wagnerrp:

it will let you shrink the myth ui to exactly match the screen

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mdisieno:

wagnerrp, AndyCap okay, well a bit of truth here, im not using mythtv for my ubuntu setup, i asked you guys on the notion you would be the best, i am using ubuntu with the 185 nvidia kernel driver

[15:41:14]

AndyCap:

mdisieno: which is why mythtv has a solution for it. :P

[15:41:15]

wagnerrp:

the screen setup wizard only works with mythtv

[15:41:25]

wagnerrp:

theres nothing we can do to help you outside of mythtv

[15:41:41]

mdisieno:

okay, let me boot up synaptic and install mythtv.

[15:41:51]

AndyCap:

mdisieno: are you going to use mythtv?

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AndyCap:

mdisieno: oh, and any option on the to turn off overscan could have some other weird name

[15:42:14]

wagnerrp:

that wizard doesnt change anything with X or your tv

[15:42:19]

wagnerrp:

it only scales the mythtv UI

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mdisieno:

AndyCap, yes, once i find a happauge input card instead of my ati card

[15:42:38]

ComradeHaz`:

thanks J-e-f-f-A, I'm actually failing to find a low profile card that fits the bill from my usual supplieers

[15:42:57]

wagnerrp:

low profile what?

[15:43:01]

ComradeHaz`:

gpu

[15:43:05]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, crap, who do i talk to about fixing the overscan for my ui in genderal?

[15:43:32]

wagnerrp:

mdisieno: see if your drivers support fixing it

[15:43:41]

wagnerrp:

the old nvidia drivers used to, but i believe they removed it

[15:43:57]

ivor:

or if the TV has a "full pixel" mode

[15:44:03]

wagnerrp:

and i dont know if it ever worked for digital interfaces

[15:44:54]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: heh, different kind of braindamage in ati's windows drivers, they enable overscan compensation if the edid mentions tv in some fashion. :(

[15:45:47]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, well there isnt a full pixel mode, but what throws me off is im curious if its the cable or tv, since my rgb works flawlessly yet my dvi>hdmi is where the overscan is happening, but the vx37l does have a zoom feature

[15:46:07]

wagnerrp:

rgb?

[15:46:37]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, what my tv calls vga

[15:47:08]

AndyCap:

mdisieno: well, could be they assume that's computer only and don't do overscan

[15:47:12]

ivor:

the TV is probably dropping into some sort of PC mode when it detects an RGB input and running full pixel. but defaulting to overscanned for hdmi since its expecting a DVD player or some such.

[15:47:17]

wagnerrp:

VGA may very will disable overscaning, becaise its assumed to be a PC

[15:47:30]

wagnerrp:

however its very likely not going to allow you to run 1920x1080 either

[15:49:01]

AndyCap:

heh, if only they'd gotten rid of the tv overscan when going digital

[15:49:18]

AndyCap:

and just do it at the source. :)

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mdisieno:

ivor, wagnerrp AndyCap would a dual link dvi-i cable fix that, because if thats the case the adapter could be the source of the overscan bottleneck

[15:51:43]

wagnerrp:

only if your tv accepts analog over its DVI port

[15:52:01]

wagnerrp:

of course then you would be in exactly the same position as if you just used a VGA cable as you did before

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mdisieno:

wagnerrp, shouldnt i be able to bypass the 1366–768 restrictions of the rgbvga port, that is my goal, just to bump up the res

[15:58:06]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: most TVs offer some way of disabling the overscan for the HDMI ports

[15:58:17]

wagnerrp:

you can manually set your own modeline for analog

[15:58:34]

wagnerrp:

but thats not say the TV actually has to accept your new output

[15:58:41]

ivor:

your tv manual says is supports 1366x768 over VGA

[15:58:57]

ivor:

it lists the modeline info too

[15:59:04]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, yeah, it goes up to that res just overscans lol

[15:59:27]

mdisieno:

ivor, yeah, im using that res right now,im just trying to find means to do 1920x1080

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** ivor blinks **

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wagnerrp:

run digital

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mdisieno:

wagnerrp, the cable i have right now is a dvi digital, but im wondering if its my dvi to hdmi adapter thats throttling or going to analog

[16:00:44]

wagnerrp:

hdmi is digital only

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mdisieno:

its a monster cable ultra adapter

[16:00:58]

wagnerrp:

and it is EXACTLY the same format as DVI-D single-link

[16:01:24]

wagnerrp:

and your monster cable is doing EXACTLY NOTHING MORE than my cheap $5 DVI-D->HDMI cable

[16:01:29]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, odd, the n theoretically i should be full digital, my dvi cable is a dvi-d single link,the cable going into the adapter i mean

[16:01:45]

wagnerrp:

it is simply an adapter

[16:01:50]

wagnerrp:

it does not change anything

[16:01:56]

wagnerrp:

but go from one plug to another plug

[16:02:10]

wagnerrp:

the wiring is exactly the same, the signal is exactly the same

[16:02:13]

wagnerrp:

its just a different shape

[16:02:30]

wagnerrp:

and if you threw in a card with an HDMI port, and tried it that way

[16:02:34]

wagnerrp:

it would be have exactly the same

[16:02:41]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, right now is pc|----dvi-d-single----|dvi to hdmi adapter|tv

[16:03:01]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, so are you speculating that its the drivers?

[16:03:08]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: the TV is only 1366x768

[16:03:17]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: it only accepts 1080i signals and scales them down

[16:03:19]

wagnerrp:

is the tv 720p or 1080p?

[16:04:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah, [Peter] is right... its only 720p

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wagnerrp:

stop trying to do 1080p, its only going to look bad

[16:04:43]

wagnerrp:

problem solved

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[Peter]:

it's a waste of everything :)

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mdisieno:

wagnerrp, well thats the curiousity, i saw the gentleman i bought it from run 1080p via his ps3

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[Peter]:

mdisieno: it accepts a 1080i signal

[16:05:08]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: but it's downscaled

[16:05:17]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: so it's rather pointless

[16:05:17]

ComradeHaz`:

how do I know if a GPU I'm looking at supports vdpau or xvmc? Is it just that some chipsets do and some don't?

[16:05:17]

wagnerrp:

the PS3 was OUTPUTTING 1080i/p (more likely i)

[16:05:28]

wagnerrp:

but that doesnt mean the TV was actually displaying that resolution

[16:05:32]

ComradeHaz`:

ie, are all nVidia 220's OK?

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wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: VDPAU yes, XVMC no

[16:05:45]

mdisieno:

[Peter], while running the ps3, the screen popped up with a 1080p dialog, and from the on it was golden

[16:05:50]

wagnerrp:

why would you even consider using XVMC?

[16:05:54]

ComradeHaz`:

me?

[16:05:58]

ComradeHaz`:

I dunno what they are

[16:06:03]

wagnerrp:

mdisieno: sure, because the TV told it it could receive that resolution

[16:06:12]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt mean the TV physically is that resolution

[16:06:13]

ComradeHaz`:

someone told me if possibel the gpu I buy should support it

[16:06:15]

[Peter]:

and it was i, not p :)

[16:06:26]

wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: who told you that? they need to be slapped

[16:06:50]

[Peter]:

XvMC is ancient

[16:07:04]

ComradeHaz`:

righty ho

[16:07:18]

ComradeHaz`:

so I can assume all 220's are ok?

[16:07:25]

ComradeHaz`:

http://www.ksn-online.co.uk/video-cards-asus- . . . -p-7874.html

[16:07:29]

ComradeHaz`:

managed to find one

[16:07:35]

ComradeHaz`:

any thoughts on that

[16:07:39]

wagnerrp:

XvMC is only needed for playback of HD mpeg2 on old hardware like AthXPs and P4s

[16:07:45]

wagnerrp:

it will work fine for mythtv/vdpau

[16:07:52]

ComradeHaz`:

do I want a fan is thre ultimate question

[16:07:57]

wagnerrp:

who told you you wanted xvmc?

[16:08:05]

ComradeHaz`:

someone implied it

[16:08:11]

[Peter]:

ComradeHaz`: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU you can check the Supported Cards there

[16:08:15]

wagnerrp:

i dont believe there are any fanless 220s

[16:08:22]

ComradeHaz`:

there are...

[16:08:25]

mdisieno:

curious, i figured the 1080p dialog was enough to show that it was running 1080p, the dialog was that of the tv, it wasnt a ps3 dialog box. so that would make me believe it was 1080p, not to mention running my htpc via hdmi, it does the same overscan as running 1280x768 via hdmi, so it has to be something else if the problem is inherent in all resolutions via hdmi

[16:08:28]

wagnerrp:

i can almost guarantee there wont be any fanless low profile 220s

[16:08:44]

ComradeHaz`:

oh

[16:08:47]

ComradeHaz`:

maybe not actually

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** Beirdo yawns **

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wagnerrp:

mdisieno: the dialog was showing you that the TV was receiving that resolution

[16:09:02]

wagnerrp:

not that it was displaying that resolution

[16:09:05]

Beirdo:

Na na, why don't you get a job..

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AndyCap:

mdisieno: if the lcd panel is 1366x768 then that is all you get

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wagnerrp:

period

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: kick him when he's down.

[16:09:20]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: the display is still only 720p. it doesn't matter if you're feeding it with 1000000p

[16:09:30]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: no, hes quoting offspring

[16:09:31]

Beirdo:

AndyCap: listening to the song :)

[16:09:43]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so am I. :P

[16:09:52]

Beirdo:

the shameliss rip-off of the Beatles...

[16:09:56]

wagnerrp:

[Peter]: actually, yes it does... it wont display anything at that point

[16:09:58]

Beirdo:

shamelEss

[16:10:01]

wagnerrp:

:P

[16:10:08]

mdisieno:

AndyCap, yeah,but with 1280x768 overscanning, you know being a lower res than 1366x768, wouldnt that lead to something else

[16:10:10]

Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo speeling

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: :) well, if it supported that signal :)

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ComradeHaz`:

thanks [Peter]

[16:11:00]

AndyCap:

mdisieno: the tv scales to fit the screen no matter what you feed it of the supported resolutions

[16:11:16]

wagnerrp:

ComradeHaz`: who told you you wanted XvMC support?

[16:11:20]

AndyCap:

mdisieno: so the best quality is at 1366x768 with no pixelmapping

[16:11:29]

ComradeHaz`:

nobody, someone implied it

[16:11:33]

AndyCap:

uh, with no scaling, 1:1 pixelmapping

[16:11:33]

mdisieno:

AndyCap, its not scalling, its cutting of edges like overscan, at a low resolution than 1366x768

[16:11:44]

wagnerrp:

how do you imply something like that?

[16:11:53]

ComradeHaz`:

ffs :D Fine

[16:11:54]

ComradeHaz`:

[16:03:49] <oobe> ComradeHaz` only if you are using vdpau or xvmc as a playback profile will the frontend utilize the GPU all other playback profiles will use the cpu

[16:12:02]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: so it probably has overscan for the HDMI ports

[16:12:19]

Beirdo:

heh. ComradeHaz` you want vdpau

[16:12:20]

** wagnerrp slaps oobe **

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[Peter]:

mdisieno: and judging by it's manual it looks like you can't disable it, so you're stuck with VGA

[16:12:32]

oobe:

its true

[16:12:36]

wagnerrp:

stop giving the newbies any possible indication they might want to be using XvMC

[16:12:37]

wagnerrp:

:P

[16:12:38]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: he's right though, but xvmc is passe

[16:12:43]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:12:48]

oobe:

oh yeah true that

[16:12:51]

Beirdo:

we'll fix it soon, no problem

[16:13:01]

Beirdo:

xvmc--

[16:13:36]

oobe:

yes ComradeHaz` you will be looking at pci-e cards most likely which will mean you will be using vdpau which is supiror to xvmc

[16:13:49]

mdisieno:

[Peter], crap, well considering it is cropping just the same with 1280x768 vs 1920x1280, would that lead one to believe this tv is capable of 1080,thus the explanation for the confusion of both the vizio reps and ourselves?

[16:13:51]

Beirdo:

!salmon XvMC useless POC

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** MythLogBot connects with the head of XvMC with a useless POC salmon on behalf of Beirdo... **

[16:14:26]

[Peter]:

mdisieno: it supports a 1080i signal, which it will downscale to 1366x768

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[Peter]:

mdisieno: so it won't look any better, probably worse

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mdisieno:

[Peter], thats odd, it looks like the 1080p signal i had on my 24" westinghouse

[16:16:57]

mdisieno:

this proves interesting http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t46201.html

[16:17:48]

wagnerrp:

mdisieno: thats because from 10' on a 24" screen, most people cant tell 1080p from 480p

[16:19:25]

mdisieno:

wagnerrp, the simple pixel and desktop increase was noticiable ,hence what im trying to find with my vizio

[16:19:52]

[Peter]:

you always want to use a 1:1 mapping on a LCD screen for desktop stuff

[16:20:12]

wagnerrp:

http://www.vizio.com/vx37lhdtv10a.html

[16:20:18]

[Peter]:

GUI stuff looks like total crap otherwise

[16:20:22]

Beirdo:

pad it with black pixels if ya need :)

[16:20:25]

wagnerrp:

see at the very bottom of your page, where it says your TV is only 1366x768

[16:21:12]

wagnerrp:

also, see at the bottom of the page, where they show that they consider their customer base is stupid, and cant multiply

[16:21:34]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: well, look at their customer base

[16:21:34]

[Peter]:

:)

[16:21:51]

wagnerrp:

1366x768! thats more than one megapixel!

[16:21:58]

mdisieno:

Beirdo, if thats a line toward sme, bite me

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** ivor gets a napkin to wipe coffee off keyboard. **

[16:22:19]

Beirdo:

mdisieno: no, towards people in general

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Beirdo:

and *CHOMP*

[16:22:30]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:22:58]

mdisieno:

Beirdo, lol, okay

[16:23:24]

Beirdo:

we are all a bunch of gullible fools, ya know. And with the "average" citizen not even knowing the capital of neighboring countries, let alone how to multiply... :)

[16:23:44]

mdisieno:

upgrading to nvidia 195 which is said to have underscan possibilities

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skd5aner:

mdisieno: it does, and it works fairly well

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mdisieno:

skd5aner, thanks for the info ,you dont know how good that is to hear

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skd5aner:

mdisieno: the settings don't persist across sessions unless you create an .nvidia-settings-rc file

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AndyCap:

mdisieno: or move the settings to equivalent xorg.conf options

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Beirdo:

hmmm, what to work on next

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: not sure if someone of those settings work in xorg.conf?

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skd5aner:

s/someone/some

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Beirdo:

I think I'm done with mythweather until post 0.23 when I can commit it all :)

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: So mythweather won't suck anymore?

[16:28:25]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: seems we may have a bit more wait

[16:28:42]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: didn't say that :) It'll just suck a bit less

[16:28:50]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: oh crap, another blocker?

[16:28:51]

kormoc:

skd5aner: it'll suck as much as your mom

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mdisieno:

AndyCap, well right now my xorg is controlled by nvidia settings which i am not a big fan of,it says it trys to save to xorg.conf but can not parse

[16:28:53]

skd5aner:

hey – less suck, I'll take it

[16:29:08]

dewman:

I have a question.... The how-to-9 webpage for mythtv states that if you have a dual tuner, you should not configure this as two cards. but to configure the digital portion and then click on the "analog options" button within the dvb config panel. Maybe i am missing it here, but I dont see the analog options button anywhere.

[16:29:10]

AndyCap:

skd5aner: well, in any case the nvidia readme has the answers.

[16:29:12]

Beirdo:

kormoc: jeez, that was... unfiltered :)

[16:29:24]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

[16:29:35]

Beirdo:

have some coffee :)

[16:29:38]

kormoc:

Beirdo: I blame my ex-coworkers, that's normal!

[16:29:47]

** kormoc wonders towards the coffee pot **

[16:29:50]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: maybe, theyre discussing it currently

[16:29:55]

AndyCap:

dewman: what kind of dual tuner?

[16:30:05]

Beirdo:

ugh, what's the nature of this one?

[16:30:16]

mdisieno:

okay reboot ,brb

[16:30:16]

Beirdo:

OSD woes?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: if you have a dual tuner, you configure it as two separate cards

[16:30:37]

wagnerrp:

erm.... dewman ^^^

[16:30:43]

dewman:

AndyCap, its this one...http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_%28800i%29

[16:30:45]

skd5aner:

kormoc: that coming from the guy who had the "Decency" conversation yesterday after warning a guy for syaing "hell" :D

[16:30:50]

Beirdo:

!trout bugs be-gone

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** MythLogBot slaps bugs with a be-gone trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[16:30:52]

dewman:

wagnerrp, I know...I said i wouldnt ask any more...

[16:30:56]

wagnerrp:

dewman: that card is not a dual tuner

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[Peter]:

this channel sure has shifting standards, one day saying "hell" gives you a warning, the next day implying someones mom is sucking something is okay

[16:31:11]

kormoc:

skd5aner: funny how that works isn't it

[16:31:17]

skd5aner:

:D

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Beirdo:

bleh

[16:31:37]

wagnerrp:

it is a hybrid tuner, which means you still need to set it up as two separate cards, but using input groups to make sure mythtv knows not to use both at the same time

[16:31:57]

wagnerrp:

however, that specific card is a hybrid tuner with a framegrabber, which means you dont want to use analog on it anyway

[16:32:01]

dewman:

wagnerrp, ahhhhh.... ok.....Gotcha....

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dewman:

wagnerrp, at least I am readin the docs! =)

[16:32:19]

wagnerrp:

dewman: so the question is moot, and you just have a basic digital tuner, for all intents and purposes

[16:32:50]

dewman:

wagnerrp, thanks...

[16:33:03]

wagnerrp:

basically, you can use framegrabbers for analog

[16:33:14]

wagnerrp:

but theyre a whole can of worms youre better off not having to deal with

[16:33:30]

wagnerrp:

if you need analog capture, youre much better off picking up a cheap IVTV card off ebay

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Beirdo:

Mmmm, my PVR-250s better not be dead!

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dewman:

wagnerrp, I have a old framegrabber but I think I will get one card working correctly first rather then jumping in trying to get two going. =)

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Beirdo:

the've been packed the whole time I've been here, never exposed to PR's crappy power grid

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wagnerrp:

huh... Solaris 10 is now payware

[16:35:00]

Beirdo:

Hmm?

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Beirdo:

since when?

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mdisieno:

back

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wagnerrp:

dewman: you have a new framegrabber too, built into that pinnacle card

[16:35:17]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: since Oracle bought Sun

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mdisieno:

now the dialog when switching shows 1080i,w00t

[16:36:00]

wagnerrp:

but your tv is not 1080i

[16:36:13]

Beirdo:

no it's not

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ivor:

and why would it say w00t.....

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: but at least the dialog says so, that's the important part

[16:36:39]

vhann:

Hi, mythfrontend says 'Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?' when I try to watch LiveTV. What would be the cause of this?

[16:36:48]

Beirdo:

http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp#download

[16:36:58]

Beirdo:

Free Solaris 10 10/09 Download

[16:37:02]

Beirdo:

same as before

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: 90-day trialware, after which you have to buy a contract

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kormoc:

vhann: it's recording already

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Beirdo:

where do you see that detail?

[16:37:47]

Beirdo:

I don't see it

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: are they renaming it to ClosedSolaris now?

[16:38:14]

Beirdo:

and OpenSolaris will remain free

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[Peter]:

oh, ok :)

[16:38:26]

** wagnerrp doesnt want to have to type out a big long Ars link **

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Beirdo:

OpenSolaris != Solaris 10

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ARS... missing an e on the end

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Beirdo:

I'm looking right on Sun's site

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Beirdo:

it says nothing about being a trial

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kormoc:

arsurl, http://bit.ly/bNt8m6

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Beirdo:

ahhh, it's buried there

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wagnerrp:

its on the front page

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Beirdo:

well, good thing I have previous copies :)

[16:40:25]

vhann:

kormoc: I just set it up and checked the Storage Directory (there's nothing in it)

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wagnerrp:

vhann: have you scanned?

[16:40:49]

Beirdo:

AKA, I have a previous license... which still applies

[16:40:58]

AndyCap:

Schillix, oh noes

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vhann:

wagnerrp: The button is always greyed (I have a PVR-150 plugged to a coax cable/NTSC signal). I use 'No grabber' as video source

[16:42:17]

wagnerrp:

huh? what exactly are you trying to do?

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Beirdo:

but just figures. Way to posture yourself outta the home market there, Oravle :)

[16:42:26]

iamlindoro:

So you have a fancy VCR, then

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

most mention of storage groups in here is in relation to mythvideo

[16:42:52]

wagnerrp:

you just havent properly configured mythtv

[16:44:12]

vhann:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I guess so, but I can't find the flawed setting :s

[16:44:29]

dewman:

vhann, i had that problem as well. i gave the nic card a static ip and used that same ip in the backend, the issue went away.

[16:45:04]

vhann:

dewman: So you can't use localhost as MythTV hostname?

[16:45:14]

wagnerrp:

no

[16:45:22]

wagnerrp:

thats why it doesnt say hostname

[16:45:24]

wagnerrp:

it says IP

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vhann:

wagnerrp: s/localhost/127.0.0.1/

[16:46:04]

wagnerrp:

127.0.0.1 should work, as long as EVERYTHING you do with mythtv is contained on that one machine

[16:47:07]

vhann:

wagnerrp: That's exactly what I do

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Beirdo:

I would strongly suggest against EVER using 127.0.0.1 for mythtv

[16:48:25]

vhann:

Now, the only problem seems to be that the channels aren't set (i.e.: 'Please add channels to this'). How do I tell it to use us-cable frequencies (ivtv-tune -l has the right frequencies)

[16:48:39]

Beirdo:

it will just give you nightmares later when you try to change your setup

[16:48:47]

wagnerrp:

if you have no channels set, you cannot use mythtv

[16:49:20]

wagnerrp:

and being in canadia, you should set up a schedules direct account, and pull your listings data from that

[16:49:26]

Beirdo:

vhann: why aren't you using SD?

[16:49:33]

vhann:

wagnerrp: Ok, but how do I add the channels? The 'scan channels' button is greyed and the web didn't help me much

[16:49:34]

Beirdo:

bah, wagnerrp was faster :)

[16:49:43]

wagnerrp:

scanning analog tuners in north america is neither required, advised, or even possible in 0.22

[16:50:09]

wagnerrp:

vhann: you sign up for a schedules direct account, and you use the other button right next to it that says to pull a lineup from your listings provider.

[16:50:16]

vhann:

Beirdo: wagnerrp Well, doesn't it cost me a couple dollars a month to use ScheduleDirect?

[16:50:24]

Beirdo:

$20/year

[16:50:30]

wagnerrp:

like 1.7

[16:50:36]

wagnerrp:

<< couple

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iamlindoro:

or a nickel a day-ish

[16:50:43]

Beirdo:

just think of it as one trip less to Tim Horton's a month

[16:51:41]

vhann:

That's not a lot, but it's still over free. The only reason I wanted to use MythTV was so it would take me less time to schedule recordings

[16:51:59]

wagnerrp:

vhann: which all depends on you having guide data

[16:52:06]

wagnerrp:

which in north america, means schedules direct

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iamlindoro:

If you don't have listings, I don't think any of us would advise trying to use myth

[16:52:20]

Beirdo:

so you pay like hundreds for equipment, but want "free"

[16:52:22]

Beirdo:

OK

[16:52:27]

wagnerrp:

without guide data, mythtv is a fancy VCR

[16:52:33]

wagnerrp:

and you cant even use the VCR+ codes

[16:52:43]

dewman:

vhann, trust me...Schedules Direct is well worth $20.00..

[16:52:45]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: it's a pretty crappy vcr without guide data

[16:52:46]

vhann:

wagnerrp: Well, I wrote a little sh script to get the listings from my favorite channels website

[16:52:48]

Beirdo:

which is cool if you want to capture VHS to your computer, but useless for much else

[16:52:59]

** iamlindoro looks behind the drapes for the banhammer **

[16:53:04]

Beirdo:

vhann: not supported, and verboten in the channel

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wagnerrp:

vhann: very likely the terms of use for that site forbid you from using such scrapers

[16:53:29]

vhann:

Beirdo: Nah, I got the PVR-150 for 20$ on Craigslist, the P3 server was given by a friend

[16:53:59]

Beirdo:

nevertheless...

[16:54:14]

vhann:

wagnerrp: I'm pretty sure Canada's copyright act allows for 'private copy'

[16:54:23]

iamlindoro:

So you got all that, and the dvr software for free-- least you can do is pay for your listings

[16:54:33]

wagnerrp:

vhann: for the video content, sure

[16:54:35]

iamlindoro:

and do your part to keep the public at large from thinking we're all a bunch of thieves

[16:54:43]

Beirdo:

vhann: I'm pretty sure the website doesn't allow what you are doing in the ToS. Hence it's not allowed

[16:54:51]

iamlindoro:

vhann: This *channel* doesn't allow for "private copy"

[16:54:55]

wagnerrp:

but the website dis-allows you from running automated scrapers on their websites

[16:54:58]

vhann:

Beirdo: I'll check that

[16:55:02]

iamlindoro:

or for violation of ToS, as mentioned

[16:55:24]

Beirdo:

please keep your parrot well hidden in this channel. We don't like pirates :)

[16:55:35]

iamlindoro:

doesn't matter what your armchair lawyer interpretation is-- it'll *still* never be okay in this channel

[16:55:44]

Beirdo:

we are more... privateers :)

[16:55:54]

Beirdo:

i.e. following the law

[16:55:58]

wagnerrp:

that complete lack of guide data is exactly why several mythtv devs and other people from the community banded together to create schedules direct, to properly license the guide data from the source

[16:56:28]

Beirdo:

IF you want to setup without it, you will need to manually configure each channel by hand in the setup program

[16:56:34]

Beirdo:

and it will take a long time

[16:57:02]

Beirdo:

and for me $20 of my time... is about how much I've spent discussing this already :)

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vhann:

Alright, I understand MythTV is not the right thing to use for what I want (though it seems to be do-able from what Beirdo said). Thanks a lot for the help, I'll stop bothering you

[17:00:10]

Rigor_M:

Hi, is there a way to increase the buffer in live TV (i mean the time used between you start to see images and realtime stream) ?

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wagnerrp:

Rigor_M: not as far as i know... mythtv expect you to have a stable network connection to the backend

[17:07:54]

wagnerrp:

just run wires and youll be set

[17:08:03]

Beirdo:

hmm.

[17:09:49]

Rigor_M:

wagnerrp the BE and FE are on the same machine

[17:10:13]

wagnerrp:

then there should be no reason for any buffer

[17:10:32]

ivor:

why do you want to increase the buffer?

[17:10:35]

Rigor_M:

the trouble that i'm seeing is: if i listen to a HD channel, I have jitter, If i pause for ~ 2sec and hit play, the jitter is gone.

[17:11:29]

ivor:

sounds like youve got a bug to track down then.

[17:12:17]

Rigor_M:

so its not the prebuffering when changing channels ?

[17:12:22]

wagnerrp:

playback somehow got too close to the recording, so its running up against a deadend before receiving file size broadcasts from the backend?

[17:12:42]

Rigor_M:

yes !

[17:12:53]

wagnerrp:

do you maybe have mythtv set to temporally compress the show?

[17:13:02]

wagnerrp:

so its running at like 1.1x?

[17:13:02]

Rigor_M:

sorry I could not put in those exact words but that what i ment

[17:13:23]

Rigor_M:

no, running at 1.0

[17:13:35]

Rigor_M:

with sound.. normal watching

[17:13:53]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, it should have one jump like that, and then never catch up again

[17:14:05]

Rigor_M:

where I should I go to see if I temporally compress the show?

[17:14:27]

wagnerrp:

'time stretch' settings, to be honest, ive never used them

[17:14:34]

Rigor_M:

because I use pretty much the defaults settings

[17:14:44]

Rigor_M:

use*

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Rigor_M:

is there a way to increase to 1.2 and more on the first playback jump ?

[17:16:50]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Watch_ . . . tch_Playback

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Rigor_M:

yeah, i'm at 1.0x

[17:25:05]

ComradeHaz`:

So, guys, how do I search for a remote control? Number 3 of your list you say?

[17:25:17]

ComradeHaz`:

are coloured buttons not valuable?

[17:25:37]

ivor:

looking down the back of the sofa is usually a good start

[17:25:39]

iamlindoro:

No more valuable than any other button

[17:26:03]

wagnerrp:

i like the red ones

[17:26:21]

ivor:

blue's cooler

[17:26:28]

wagnerrp:

reds hotter

[17:26:35]

iamlindoro:

Green is earthier

[17:26:45]

wagnerrp:

get out of here you hippie

[17:27:05]

** iamlindoro let's fly with a stream of "yellow button" on wagnerrp's fire **

[17:27:11]

iamlindoro:

ahhhhhhhh

[17:27:18]

wagnerrp:

eeeww... golden fountain

[17:28:54]

wagnerrp:

man... that was fun

[17:30:37]

** kormoc laughs **

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AndyCap:

an hour on the tower of power?

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Rigor_M:

wagnerrp if I timestretch at 0.9x I dont get the jitter. its like 1.0x can get at the end of the recording buffer

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ikkeT:

hi, does anyone have problems with .23-fixes loading the theme images?

[18:29:17]

ikkeT:

I updated my box, and some of the themes won't show up images correctly

[18:29:42]

ikkeT:

shows only some of them, or scales them horribly wrong.

[18:29:50]

ikkeT:

e.g. graphite theme

[18:30:00]

oobe:

ikkeT, its cause they changed the code in .23 ui

[18:30:14]

oobe:

there is a script that handles the changes for each theme

[18:30:26]

ikkeT:

so you also experience it?

[18:30:33]

iamlindoro:

There's no need to run any scripts, just remove your themes and install .23 copies of them

[18:30:38]

oobe:

graphite should already work ok if you installed it from the .23 source

[18:30:56]

oobe:

yes iamlindoro is right

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ikkeT:

i nuked everything from /usr/local/share/mythtv and installed fresh compile of .23

[18:31:10]

ikkeT:

and nuked my .mythtv/*cache

[18:31:38]

oobe:

are you sure you got the prefix right

[18:31:43]

ikkeT:

I also imagined graphite would be a "new way" of theming

[18:31:59]

oobe:

iamlindoro what about themes that arnt in the .23 source

[18:32:01]

ikkeT:

oobe why?

[18:32:16]

iamlindoro:

oobe: What themes aren't in the .23 source?

[18:32:36]

oobe:

might it be /usr/share/mythtv/themes instead of /usr/local that is what i meant ikkeT

[18:32:42]

ikkeT:

oobe, yes, it's right prefix

[18:33:13]

ikkeT:

I manually compile it, thus I use /usr/local

[18:33:20]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: What is it you imagined Graphite would do that it didn't?

[18:33:37]

oobe:

iamlindoro bando-wide blue-abstract-wide MePo-wide

[18:33:43]

oobe:

not limited to

[18:33:55]

iamlindoro:

oobe: mepo doesn't exist for .22, let alone .23

[18:33:58]

ikkeT:

the preview of theme shows there is pretty images filling it. Mine only has the sidebar

[18:34:06]

iamlindoro:

blue-abstract-wide is maintained by its author, so download his .23 version

[18:34:14]

oobe:

oh ok

[18:34:25]

ikkeT:

let me have a look again and try to explain it. moment

[18:34:44]

oobe:

i also have my own modded theme versions that i use

[18:34:45]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: That's not a theme issue, you don't have fanart configured/working properly

[18:34:50]

Beirdo:

I miss some of the Ooooold themes, but the new ones are pretty nice too

[18:35:03]

oobe:

but i cant call theme themes in there own right but they still needed updating

[18:35:09]

Beirdo:

it's called "progress"

[18:35:27]

oobe:

i used mepo in .22

[18:35:46]

oobe:

there was a version that was half finished for .22

[18:35:59]

oobe:

i didnt use it much but it worked

[18:36:00]

iamlindoro:

You used a version of the mepo menu that fell back to default

[18:36:03]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, let me try to find screenshot of it in net

[18:36:06]

iamlindoro:

That's not a theme

[18:36:13]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: I know what graphite looks like :)

[18:36:22]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I should hope so :)

[18:36:31]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: I'm saying the "rich" content that it uses is configured and downloaded by the user having a properly configured system

[18:36:47]

iamlindoro:

and in those plugins/screens which support it.

[18:37:28]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, so should it look just reddish with couple of arcs in it in main menu? no other pictures

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[18:37:30]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: after 0.23, you may wanna take a look at mythweather in graphite. It was a mess when I looked at it last night, but I don't recall details

[18:37:31]

ikkeT:

?

[18:37:33]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:37:35]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: fanart (backgrounds), coverart, banners, screenshots-- that's all pulled in in mythvideo metadata grabs, for recordings by using Jamu, and in mythgame by manually setting them

[18:37:52]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: corect

[18:37:53]

iamlindoro:

correct

[18:37:57]

Beirdo:

jamu++

[18:38:07]

ikkeT:

ok, then it's ok

[18:38:09]

Beirdo:

spent a few hours last night populating stuff

[18:38:26]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: Graphite's backgrounds are randomized-- if you want the non-fanart screens to have fancy artwork, you can just dump some backgrounds you like into the Backgrounds folder

[18:38:34]

ikkeT:

I thought th emain menu also would have some pics in it, but the screenshot seems to be from video gallery

[18:38:35]

Beirdo:

the name still makes me thing "Shamu"

[18:38:40]

Beirdo:

but that's OK

[18:38:56]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, thanks that explains

[18:39:04]

iamlindoro:

np

[18:39:46]

ikkeT:

ah, now I get it, mythUI totally changes the way it works...

[18:39:58]

ikkeT:

way more "customizeable" by the theme. cool

[18:40:10]

iamlindoro:

Yeah

[18:40:21]

oobe:

i just converted mepo wide

[18:40:36]

oobe:

recordings menu is themed main menu and thats about it

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oobe:

so yes it is not complete

[18:41:05]

oobe:

he said that in the link but it still works in .23 .22

[18:41:12]

iamlindoro:

One might say it's not even really started

[18:41:18]

RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: I was going to make an the Jamu icon a Killer-Whale on the wiki page but thought better of it. The name Jamu was made because as I was developing it every time I turned around I found another metadata script. That is why it is call JustAnotherMetadataUpdater (JAMU)

[18:41:27]

ikkeT:

how about arclight? what should be the background of main menu? mine looks like a huge zoom of picture, with huge pixels

[18:41:28]

iamlindoro:

> 100 frontend windows, and he's done 2.

[18:41:51]

ikkeT:

is the bg also random there?

[18:41:58]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: The high quality background pack for Arclight is only available with the paid version

[18:42:01]

Beirdo:

RDV_Linux: hehe, yeah well. :) It worked nicely for me, mostly

[18:42:02]

oobe:

http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/download.html

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Beirdo:

other than my own stupidity when I leaned on the enter key by mistake

[18:42:30]

RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: If it worked perfectly I would have nothing to do;)

[18:42:40]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: yes, it is also randomized and user-changeable

[18:42:40]

Beirdo:

hmmm, good point

[18:43:03]

sphery:

In the paid Arclight background, each of those "huge pixels" is actually a screenshot of a show you've recorded. It's not at all distracting.

[18:43:28]

skd5aner:

there's a paid version of arclight now?

[18:43:34]

skd5aner:

hmmm – I should really pay more attention

[18:43:35]

iamlindoro:

the paid version also adds video widgets, suggested recordings, and what your firends are watching

[18:43:37]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, ok, i just thought it's some bug that it shows huge pixels (size of inch).

[18:43:43]

** wagnerrp hands skd5aner the pointy cap **

[18:44:12]

skd5aner:

there's a pointy cap now? I should really pay more attention!

[18:44:16]

ikkeT:

i just made some translations to two of those, and wanted to test them

[18:44:18]

sphery:

ikkeT: you can create the same customized background for Arclight using the following code: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M | perl -e '$width=1920; $height=1080; print "P6\n$width $height\n255\n"; read(STDIN, $pixels, $width * $height * 3); print $pixels;' | convert ppm:- background.png

[18:44:34]

ikkeT:

:)

[18:44:37]

sphery:

then just drop background.png into Arclight's background directory (and move out the other png's)

[18:44:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Way to let out the master theming secrets

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ikkeT:

high quality shots i bet

[18:44:50]

sphery:

hey, backgrounds just want to be free!!!

[18:45:24]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:45:32]

Beirdo:

omg

[18:45:51]

ikkeT:

maybe the default image could be something which prints "if you want content here, pay here"

[18:46:05]

Beirdo:

the smart-alec-ometer is pegged today

[18:46:17]

sphery:

ikkeT: hint, hint ^^^

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[18:47:01]

ikkeT:

seriously, i thought it was broken, but thanks for guidance, now I know better.

[18:47:08]

** Beirdo quickly stuffs the cat back in the bag. Carry on. **

[18:47:09]

oobe:

iamlindoro, do you have a web page for the Arclight paid version

[18:47:31]

sphery:

ikkeT: we're just giving you a hard time because this is probably the most-frequently discussed topic when it comes to Arclight

[18:47:38]

** wagnerrp thinks our users are naive **

[18:47:41]

iamlindoro:

getArclightPro.com/?refid=0000042424242

[18:47:42]

ikkeT:

:)

[18:47:48]

Beirdo:

gullible even :)

[18:48:05]

skd5aner:

I'd just go with lazy, actually

[18:48:13]

oobe:

so there is no paid version

[18:48:19]

wagnerrp:

no

[18:48:31]

oobe:

i dont think its gullable since that was iamlindoro's original intention

[18:48:41]

iamlindoro:

No, it was NEVER my intention

[18:48:41]

wagnerrp:

its a joke based off the fact the theme was originally going to require a payware theme

[18:48:47]

iamlindoro:

people are just illiterate morons

[18:48:47]

oobe:

plus the screenshots do like different on the web page

[18:48:51]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro was never personally asking money for it

[18:49:05]

sphery:

payware font, that is

[18:49:12]

iamlindoro:

was going to require that users have a fonts that is not open source, for which I would receive *nothing*

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wagnerrp:

yeah, font

[18:49:16]

Beirdo:

you can send him money out of gratitude of course

[18:49:16]

sphery:

i.e. a font that wasn't stolen from a fontographer

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sphery:

ikkeT: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 21397#421397

[18:50:06]

oobe:

so you wernt selling the font then

[18:50:14]

sphery:

no, he's not a fontographer

[18:50:22]

sphery:

It was a commercial font.

[18:50:25]

** iamlindoro bangs his head against the table until the sweet release of death arrives **

[18:50:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:50:59]

Beirdo:

it's good to be entertained

[18:52:14]

iamlindoro:

basic literacy fail!

[18:52:50]

sphery:

here's iamlindoro -> http://img.funnyanimatedgifs.net/img/457-stic . . . mad-dead.gif

[18:52:51]

** skd5aner has decided to actually quit sitting on the fence and start themeing after the .23 release **

[18:53:02]

Beirdo:

nice

[18:53:18]

Beirdo:

that fence post hurting the butt?

[18:53:39]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: its one of those rod iron ones, the pointy ones

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wagnerrp:

his neighbor's name is Vlad

[18:53:49]

sphery:

Maybe I should say, NSFWICW (Not Safe For Work In Cartoon World)

[18:53:49]

Beirdo:

eek

[18:54:09]

skd5aner:

I've wanted to start themeing for a long time, but was always low priority – never made time to do it

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iamlindoro:

sphery: ha, amazing

[18:54:48]

Beirdo:

but you wanna come entertain us by chatting with some gullible users? :)

[18:55:13]

Beirdo:

more themes (when well done) are a good thing

[18:55:41]

Beirdo:

and I'm not graphically inclined, so don't look at me for guidance :)

[18:55:53]

iamlindoro:

When/if I work on something else, I think I'll be more undercover about it this time

[18:56:13]

iamlindoro:

that way everyone doesn't go A-S wen it doesn't look like the screenshots from six months ago

[18:56:19]

Beirdo:

what, you don't like being jerked around by silly people?

[18:56:44]

ComradeHaz`:

hey guys, 1 or 2 gig of RAM frontend?

[18:56:55]

Beirdo:

16G

[18:56:55]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: artists, generally by nature, want to share their creations... it can be hard sometimes to keep things like that uner wraps

[18:57:04]

Beirdo:

heh, sorry

[18:57:29]

skd5aner:

Comrade: didn't you ask yesterday?

[18:57:34]

ComradeHaz`:

I did

[18:57:37]

** iamlindoro has 8 GB is each frontend, therefore that is the right answer, and I will fight anyone to the death who suggests otherwise! **

[18:57:40]

skd5aner:

2GB was our recommendation

[18:57:43]

Beirdo:

I guess the Soviet have short memory

[18:57:43]

iamlindoro:

sorry, my user is showing

[18:57:54]

ComradeHaz`:

:D

[18:57:56]

skd5aner:

you can get by with 1GB, or ever less, and of course the sky's the limit

[18:58:00]

ComradeHaz`:

Short o' money!

[18:58:22]

sphery:

I thought a 256MB Atom frontend with framebuffer video was sufficient for a frontend?

[18:58:31]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:58:32]

sphery:

or an AppleTV

[18:58:40]

iamlindoro:

"Hello, I have a question, and have already decided on the answer. Please give your own answer, after which I will either come back tomorow and ask again, or fight until someone tells me my preconceived answer is correct. Thanks in advance."

[18:58:43]

ComradeHaz`:

just told my Dad box is gonna be Â£315 plus an HDPVR and he wasn't too happy

[18:58:59]

ComradeHaz`:

lol, no iamlindoro, I forgot

[18:59:09]

ComradeHaz`:

I am on a steep lerning curve

[18:59:24]

iamlindoro:

Well the lack of short term memory ought to help, then

[18:59:26]

highzeth:

ComradeHaz`: so buy 1GB now, and add more later.. fyi, on our frontends(Revo 3600) they all have 1GB, ouf of those 256M to GPU. No issues, that might change on newer themes?

[18:59:54]

sphery:

ComradeHaz`: replacement for short memory: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history

[19:00:03]

ComradeHaz`:

:P

[19:00:16]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:00:25]

ComradeHaz`:

Point taken (I have my own logs)

[19:00:51]

** Beirdo senses a wave of tired sweeping over him **

[19:00:54]

ComradeHaz`:

I forgot I had asked though :P

[19:00:58]

Beirdo:

3pm. blah

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ikkeT:

iamlindoro: thanks for the link, it explains

[19:01:37]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: Think sphery linked you :)

[19:02:50]

ikkeT:

yeah, right, thanks sphery :)

[19:03:08]

ikkeT:

this is what made me think there is an error: Unable to find image file: mw_text_button_off.png

[19:03:26]

ikkeT:

that coming out from mythwelcome then, I assume

[19:03:45]

ikkeT:

I thought it might be theme. mythwelcome is missing buttons for some reason

[19:04:06]

ikkeT:

need to check on it

[19:04:39]

iamlindoro:

What theme?

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ikkeT:

hmmm. what's the one from xbmc...?

[19:07:29]

iamlindoro:

We don't have any from XBMC

[19:07:50]

[Peter]:

no, they have all the good looking ones ;)

[19:07:50]

iamlindoro:

maybe a couple roughly patterned after Project Mayhem, I guess

[19:07:55]

iamlindoro:

lovely

[19:07:57]

j-rod:

ha. now I have four imon receivers...

[19:08:24]

Beirdo:

[Peter]: you just volunteered yourself to make new themes. Well done.

[19:08:28]

[Peter]:

I don't like XBMC much but it sure looks nice

[19:08:57]

Beirdo:

off you go, make something pretty :)

[19:09:45]

[Peter]:

Beirdo: I'm sorry to say, but anything I do will make GANT look good again

[19:10:22]

Beirdo:

ahh. back to the peanut gallery then

[19:10:38]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, it's mythbuntu

[19:12:08]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro: XMLParseBase, Error: Unable to load window 'backgroundwindow' from base

[19:12:20]

ikkeT:

XMLParseBase: Loading window theme from /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/welcome-ui.xml

[19:12:40]

ikkeT:

Unable to find image file: mw_text_button_off.png

[19:12:49]

ikkeT:

and few more of similar png missing lines

[19:13:08]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: None of those are fatal/real big issues

[19:13:47]

ikkeT:

no, but it misses the buttons

[19:13:52]

** sphery wonders why it is that the same people with no artistic talent are the ones who claim XBMC has the best looking themes **

[19:13:59]

ikkeT:

the png files are missing

[19:14:13]

ikkeT:

-> bug itself

[19:14:29]

ikkeT:

if it doesn't have those, xml should be fixed

[19:14:33]

ikkeT:

right?

[19:14:52]

ikkeT:

or is it my checkout only missing it...

[19:15:10]

Beirdo:

sphery: well, no talent doesn't mean no appreciation :)

[19:15:14]

Beirdo:

but yeah

[19:15:19]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: What version are you using?

[19:15:35]

sphery:

ikkeT: it's quite likely that no one themed MythWelcome in the Mythbuntu theme

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iamlindoro:

They did, it just relies on images that don't exist any more

[19:16:22]

ikkeT:

find ~/src/mythtv-23-fixes/ -name mw_text_button_off.png tells me it's missing...

[19:16:28]

iamlindoro:

(ie, they leveraged images from default)

[19:16:28]

sphery:

ikkeT: what version of Myth are you using? Chances are youjust need to update

[19:16:46]

ikkeT:

.23 fixes most recent from svn

[19:16:49]

iamlindoro:

images were removed here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23248/tr . . . /mythwelcome

[19:16:57]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23248/tr . . . emes/default

[19:17:03]

iamlindoro:

So yes, it's a valid bug, albeit teensy tiny

[19:17:08]

sphery:

and someone is running an old broken version, right?

[19:17:17]

sphery:

needs to update to 0.23-fixes

[19:17:25]

iamlindoro:

No

[19:17:38]

iamlindoro:

the .23 version of the mythbuntu theme references images that were removed since .22

[19:17:52]

iamlindoro:

A great argument for providing your own widgets/images :)

[19:17:53]

sphery:

oh, didn't check mythbuntu

[19:17:58]

sphery:

definitely

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iamlindoro:

gbutters: ^^^

[19:18:11]

sphery:

using ones out of your own control is dangerous :)

[19:18:40]

iamlindoro:

If the theme author doesn't respond on his own, you could open a bug against their bug tracker, although this really is trivial/non-critical

[19:18:52]

iamlindoro:

Then when he has a fix, he can get it to me to commit

[19:19:23]

ComradeHaz`:

guys, is the remote control that comes with the Hauppauge HD PVR any good?

[19:19:32]

ComradeHaz`:

or will I need to buy another one/

[19:20:17]

iamlindoro:

It's low end, I prefer the MCEUSB remote, and there are some potential issues in using the IR receiver/blaster on the HD-PVR including failing recordings

[19:20:30]

iamlindoro:

For my money (or rather, for your money) I would spend the $20 on an mceusb

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ComradeHaz`:

righty ho

[19:21:49]

Kunalagon:

hello, does somebody knows something about audio/video not sync ?

[19:21:54]

Beirdo:

who you callin' a ho?

[19:21:56]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:21:59]

ComradeHaz`:

I have seen 'your' remote list, someone suggested 3

[19:22:38]

ComradeHaz`:

but I know that sky makes use of the 'red button' quite a bit for interactive features.

[19:22:45]

wagnerrp:

Kunalagon: are you using a framegrabber?

[19:22:50]

Beirdo:

I think I might start the resurrection of gputrans tonight... at least get it onto github

[19:23:07]

ComradeHaz`:

Would this content work via Myth TV and thus should I get a remote with coloured buttons/

[19:23:26]

wagnerrp:

you _can_ use interactive stuff through livetv

[19:23:35]

iamlindoro:

ComradeHaz`: The color of your button has nothing to do with what it does in myth-- you program the function of every button

[19:23:52]

wagnerrp:

but understand there may be a several second lag between what the STB outputs, and what myth displays on tv

[19:23:53]

Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: I dont know, how to check that ? I did not change any configuration except theme

[19:23:56]

iamlindoro:

s/you program/you are required to program/

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ComradeHaz`:

Understood, but it calls it the 'red button'

[19:24:06]

ComradeHaz`:

and I want to keep things as intuitive as possible

[19:24:12]

wagnerrp:

and you still have to set up communication between the frontend and back, to transmit the IR instructions

[19:24:12]

ComradeHaz`:

it's not just going to be me using this

[19:24:26]

wagnerrp:

there is no built in capacity for myth to do this

[19:24:29]

ComradeHaz`:

is that not done automagically?

[19:24:40]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is not designed for interactive content

[19:24:54]

ComradeHaz`:

aye

[19:24:55]

Beirdo:

it's designed for time-shifted

[19:25:12]

ComradeHaz`:

hmm

[19:25:22]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not handle IR blasters, or serial, or firewire

[19:25:31]

wagnerrp:

mythtv allows you to specify an external command to change the channel

[19:25:41]

wagnerrp:

its up to you to control the STB, limited to changing the channel

[19:25:53]

wagnerrp:

anything beyond changing the channel is beyond the purview of mythtv

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Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: I cant find that FRAMEGRABBER

[19:26:01]

ComradeHaz`:

hmm, I see

[19:26:13]

wagnerrp:

Kunalagon: you didnt have sync issues, and now you do

[19:26:20]

wagnerrp:

what have you dont between then and now?

[19:26:24]

wagnerrp:

s/dont/done

[19:27:34]

Kunalagon:

well, wagnerrp... I installed mythtv yesterday, and try, I remember I did not have sync issues, after that, I uninstall, and today, I installed again. Now, I have that issues

[19:27:55]

wagnerrp:

are these sync issues with livetv?

[19:27:59]

wagnerrp:

or recordings?

[19:28:02]

wagnerrp:

or external videos?

[19:28:13]

** iamlindoro thinks it's an extraordinarily bad idea to set up a myth box for someone else's use as your first mythbox **

[19:28:18]

ComradeHaz`:

Anyone know if these [ http://www.ebuyer.com/product/201492 ] are any good?

[19:28:33]

iamlindoro:

especially if that person is annoyed by the cost and expects big results which you have presumably promised

[19:28:44]

ComradeHaz`:

I have promised nothing

[19:29:11]

ComradeHaz`:

anyway

[19:29:15]

ComradeHaz`:

I have a cunning plan

[19:29:16]

ComradeHaz`:

:)

[19:29:26]

iamlindoro:

Well, you seem to be saying that someone else will use it, which means you need to understand it backwards and forwards before you should let ANYONE else use it

[19:29:40]

iamlindoro:

and that kind of knowledge takes a long time to accumulate

[19:29:51]

Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: it is with live tv, when I waching tv, using WATCH TV

[19:29:54]

iamlindoro:

since you are struggling with some very basic knowledge issues here, I suspect this will take you some time

[19:29:58]

kormoc:

http://literalbarrage.org/blog/wp-content/cunningplan.jpg

[19:30:05]

wagnerrp:

Kunalagon: what tuner card to you have?

[19:30:16]

ComradeHaz`:

Well, indeed

[19:30:33]

ComradeHaz`:

I plan to see how much I can learn with old boxes first

[19:30:50]

ComradeHaz`:

trouble is, I have no feed from any box or the satelite dish in here

[19:30:57]

ComradeHaz`:

so what I can play with is limited

[19:31:19]

** Beirdo chuckles **

[19:31:39]

Kunalagon:

I have some Asus Analog TV, with saa7131 chip and Philips 8275 tuner chip

[19:31:55]

wagnerrp:

sounds like a framegrabber

[19:32:01]

iamlindoro:

Just a word of warning that a mythbox is a hobby, not a project

[19:32:01]

Beirdo:

sure does

[19:32:14]

Beirdo:

it's an obsession for most of us :)

[19:32:21]

Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: but what is framegrabber ?

[19:32:24]

wagnerrp:

is the lack of sync a constant offset? say around 2 seconds?

[19:32:25]

iamlindoro:

meaning you will be supporting it night and day, probably for months if not years, until you really know it back and front and can count on it to be stable

[19:32:45]

ComradeHaz`:

o.O

[19:32:50]

Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: yes, about 2 seconds, more-less

[19:32:59]

wagnerrp:

you have not set up mythtv correctly

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iamlindoro:

If you know the system very well, myth can be an appliance-- but as it takes considerable time to get to that point, just a word of caution that your dad or whoever is likely to prefer the set top box

[19:33:23]

ComradeHaz`:

Hmm

[19:33:26]

ComradeHaz`:

fair enough

[19:33:31]

wagnerrp:

with a framegrabber, you capture the raw audio and video, compress it, store it to disk, pull it back from disk, possibly stream across the network, decompress, and play

[19:33:42]

ComradeHaz`:

OK, I will change my plan

[19:33:44]

wagnerrp:

the problem is that you didnt set up audio correctly

[19:33:51]

wagnerrp:

so its short-cutting that whole procedure

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wagnerrp:

and going straight to your speakers

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Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: so, how to disable that?

[19:34:15]

wagnerrp:

how do you have audio connected?

[19:34:23]

wagnerrp:

patch cable from your tuner to your sound card

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wagnerrp:

?

[19:34:24]

ComradeHaz`:

still, I would like a remote control to drive my experiments with

[19:34:29]

** Beirdo hands wagnerrp the RTFM trout :) **

[19:34:35]

Kunalagon:

yes wagnerrp

[19:34:51]

wagnerrp:

then you need to mute the line input on your sound card to prevent passthrough

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iamlindoro:

Then you read the audio section of the manual

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Kunalagon:

wagnerrp: I conected that cable to sound card CD-IN

[19:34:59]

wagnerrp:

and set up mythtv to properly capture from your sound card

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iamlindoro:

gah, or let wagnerrp help you cheat

[19:35:39]

wagnerrp:

hey, im looking for the documentation page

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Beirdo:

heh

[19:36:10]

wagnerrp:

its been ages since i used them...

[19:36:22]

Beirdo:

that problem's so 2004–2005, BTW :)

[19:36:54]

Beirdo:

I'm sure it's in the docs... it used to be anyways

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Beirdo:

can't imagine anyone removing that

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wagnerrp:

i see some mention of it on the troubleshooting page

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wagnerrp:

i know ive linked people to it before

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Beirdo:

fleers: tell yer bosses to stop being cheap with Solaris 10 :)

[19:40:47]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Kunalagon:

When I mute my analog CD-IN , wagnerrp, I am do this: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html , and of course, no sound at all

[19:41:34]

wagnerrp:

because you have not told mythtv how to capture from your sound card

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Beirdo:

Kunalagon: now set CD-IN as a capture source in the mixer

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** Beirdo wishes people would actually play with a real life analog mixer so they understand the concepts of mixer functionality... including ALSA developers. **

[19:43:19]

ComradeHaz`:

especially thm

[19:43:31]

Beirdo:

especially them, exactly

[19:43:45]

ComradeHaz`:

ffs

[19:43:46]

Beirdo:

sit in front of a Mackie 12 channel mixer and learn :)

[19:43:55]

Beirdo:

THEN make a mixer in software

[19:43:58]

ComradeHaz`:

are those remote controls on the MythTV list discontinued?

[19:44:38]

Beirdo:

google.com

[19:44:46]

ComradeHaz`:

I am.

[19:44:48]

ComradeHaz`:

Obviously.

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ComradeHaz`:

but given there appears to be no exact modle number they're a bit hard to google for.

[19:47:00]

kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: http://www.google.com/products?q=media+center+remote

[19:47:26]

iamlindoro:

The Pinnacle is definitely still sold and works with LIRC

[19:47:49]

ComradeHaz`:

sure, but I am trying to figure out which ones it was some folks on here recommended

[19:47:54]

iamlindoro:

If you don't know if something is supported, google the particular manufacturer + remote name + lirc

[19:47:55]

ComradeHaz`:

I think they said 2, 3 and 4

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Kunalagon:

Beirdo , wagnerrp do I have to enable USE INTERNAL VOLUME CONTROLS, I setup CD-IN as a capture in alsamixer

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iamlindoro:

So now you have pictures that you can compare against those search results

[19:49:04]

Kunalagon:

in AUDIO SYSTEM, i choose Audio output device: ALSA:default

[19:49:18]

** iamlindoro is going to start giving lessons in basic deductive reasoning **

[19:49:42]

iamlindoro:

I'll give advanced degrees in Holmesian Deduction

[19:50:19]

Kunalagon:

in AUDIO MIXER, u check Use Internal volume controls, and choose micer device alsa:default, there I have /dev/mixer , /dev/mixer1, dsp...

[19:50:25]

Kunalagon:

still no sound

[19:50:50]

Kunalagon:

in Mixer Controls, I only have PCM, and MASTER

[19:51:42]

kormoc:

ComradeHaz`: the link I gave has pictures of the remotes...

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highzeth:

come on, pictures?! no video?!

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ComradeHaz`:

Right

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ComradeHaz`:

so, is it possible to use a debian box as a 'diskless-server' for mythbuntu?

[19:59:47]

ComradeHaz`:

well, obviously it's possible if I try hard enough

[20:00:04]

ComradeHaz`:

but is there any prior experience here doing this?

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kormoc:

diskless server?

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kormoc:

a be is sorta useless without storage

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ComradeHaz`:

I have a shite load of storage

[20:04:14]

ComradeHaz`:

about 6TB

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** iamlindoro refers ComradeHaz` to our channel rules on language **

[20:07:01]

ComradeHaz`:

o.O

[20:07:08]

** ComradeHaz` appologises unreservedly **

[20:07:47]

[Peter]:

ComradeHaz`: it's only okay to imply that someones mother is sucking ****, not saying "shite" or "hell"

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iamlindoro:

allow me to demonstrate my seriousness

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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Beirdo:

[Peter]: you have been warned.

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[Peter] has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro ([Peter])

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ComradeHaz`:

Heh, must be polite for all the children, hey?! :)

[20:09:40]

wagnerrp:

6TB isnt a lot

[20:09:46]

ComradeHaz`:

It's a start

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wagnerrp:

its downright cramped

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** ComradeHaz` cries **

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: I am sure that made you feel like a real big boy :)

[20:10:56]

wagnerrp:

ive got several GB of data stuck on DVDs and HDDVDs because my 5.25 is already full

[20:11:01]

wagnerrp:

erm... several TB

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Beirdo:

heh, 6TB is cramped? :)

[20:11:39]

iamlindoro:

[Peter]: Sorry enforcement of our channel rules is amusing to you, but I take them seriously and you haven't done anything of note to put you above them, soooo

[20:11:54]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: some buy books, others buy movies at rock bottom prices

[20:12:05]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:12:09]

** wagnerrp looks at a shelf full of HDDVDs **

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Beirdo:

fair enough. wow

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Beirdo:

I have like 800G or something for my recordings right now... and it's full

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Beirdo:

just wait until I have HD :)

[20:12:54]

wagnerrp:

well... i wouldnt say 'full'

[20:13:01]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: If you are the one doing finnish translations, can you please not open a new ticket for each and every patch?

[20:13:05]

wagnerrp:

there just arent that many made for HDDVD before that format died

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Beirdo:

i'm at 94% full :)

[20:13:12]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: It makes them way less likely to be applied

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wagnerrp:

s/for/before/

[20:13:26]

iamlindoro:

since I'd likely stop tracking them down and do something more amusing instead

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ComradeHaz`:

So

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ComradeHaz`:

is there a way of running a 'diskless server' on a debian box?

[20:14:01]

Beirdo:

ComradeHaz`: doubtless there is.

[20:14:04]

wagnerrp:

sure, the same way you run a diskless server on every other box

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iamlindoro:

bet they know in ##debian

[20:14:13]

ComradeHaz`:

well, of course

[20:14:23]

Beirdo:

I think #debian is on oftc.net

[20:14:25]

wagnerrp:

install pxe, install nfs

[20:14:26]

ComradeHaz`:

I will try to just drag in the ubuntu package and see where we go

[20:14:34]

ComradeHaz`:

but wondered if it had been done before

[20:14:39]

iamlindoro:

http://kotaku.com/5505341/suspected-game-code-thief-on-the-lam

[20:14:39]

wagnerrp:

do you have any spare drives?

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ComradeHaz`:

me?

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Beirdo:

thousands of times

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iamlindoro:

That reminds me of some of our channel dwellers

[20:15:01]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro: sure, sorry I thought they better be separated.

[20:15:13]

wagnerrp:

a lot of people consider it easier to just do a normal install of their desired distro onto a spare disk

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iamlindoro:

ikkeT: one patch for plugins, one for frontend

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wagnerrp:

then copy the entire contents of that disk into an NFS share on their server

[20:15:30]

iamlindoro:

two patches max makes it getting applied *way* more probably

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iamlindoro:

probable

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wagnerrp:

and then do the handful of necessary changes to get it bootable

[20:16:02]

iamlindoro:

more than one ticket makes me go "Meh, maybe for .24..."

[20:16:07]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, do you want me to combine the patch?

[20:16:34]

ikkeT:

and close the tickets? or just do better the next time?

[20:16:39]

iamlindoro:

I won't promise anything one way or another, but I definitely wont go through the number of current tickets

[20:16:46]

iamlindoro:

(you can't close tickets)

[20:17:05]

ikkeT:

there is 3

[20:17:13]

iamlindoro:

which is two too many :)

[20:17:20]

iamlindoro:

should be two patches on one ticket

[20:18:01]

ikkeT:

ok, i'll close the last two and combine them to a new one so the name will show it's for the plugins

[20:18:04]

ikkeT:

?

[20:18:29]

iamlindoro:

You can't close tickets ;)

[20:18:47]

iamlindoro:

But if you combine the patches properly on the original ticket (the accepted one) then I'll close the others

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iamlindoro:

one patch fro the mythtv dir, one for the mythplugins dir

[20:19:47]

Beirdo:

and one for the little boy that lives down the lane.

[20:19:50]

Beirdo:

oh wait

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iamlindoro:

ikkeT: It just makes it much easier for those of us reviewing translations to apply them and review them

[20:20:53]

ikkeT:

ok, i'm doing this for the first time, so bare with me...

[20:20:54]

iamlindoro:

makes it four commands and two reviews versus nine commands and three reviews (and that's just so far)

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ikkeT:

iamlindoro, now the combined plugins patch is in the original ticket #8202, please close the #8258 and #8259

[20:24:24]

Kunalagon:

no way to get sound to mythtv through capture , I checked with audacity , and I can record sound from tv card when I check CD and CAPTURE in capture mode of alsamixer

[20:25:29]

wagnerrp:

doesnt mythtv now have alsa capture support?

[20:25:51]

iamlindoro:

yep

[20:26:23]

npm:

does the netflix plugin allow for watching netflix videos online in linux, or just to browse the queues?

[20:26:26]

Kunalagon:

I dont know, I dont understand what else to configure

[20:26:29]

wagnerrp:

neither

[20:26:33]

npm:

and if not, how does one watch netflix on linux

[20:26:37]

wagnerrp:

they dont

[20:26:39]

iamlindoro:

One does not

[20:26:50]

wagnerrp:

there is no netflix plugin

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npm:

well that explains my lack of success

[20:27:40]

npm:

by "plugin" i mean mythflix-0.22–6.fc12.x86_64

[20:27:40]

wagnerrp:

over there? thats just a bunch of deleted code in a suit

[20:27:59]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro: what's the way translations get reviewed? what are the criterias? someone finnish speaking doing it, or just looking it doesn't break stuff?

[20:28:12]

iamlindoro:

somewhere in between

[20:28:40]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro: it seems some company here is doing the translations, but their name is not the committer...

[20:28:49]

npm:

what is netflix looking for in terms of browser capabilities to play movies? flash? silverlight? is there a wine way of getting it to work?

[20:28:58]

wagnerrp:

silverlight

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iamlindoro:

ikkeT: Yes, one of our devs works for the company

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npm:

is that something people are working on, or have they given up?

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wagnerrp:

whatever hardware capability silverlight needs to run its DRM

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wagnerrp:

npm: microsoft will not release the DRM spec so moonlight can implement it

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iamlindoro:

ikkeT: Which is why I prefer he do the application of your translations

[20:30:12]

npm:

oh, i see. that's too bad!. many thanks for clarifying...

[20:30:13]

iamlindoro:

ikkeT: I review many of the other translations because I speak a bit of many languages and can at least understand enough to know that the translation is roughly correct

[20:30:17]

wagnerrp:

as any implementation of their DRM scheme by moonlight would instantly render said DRM scheme broken, null, and void

[20:30:33]

wagnerrp:

funny thing about open source

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wagnerrp:

its not too good at protecting stuff from people using it

[20:30:48]

npm:

which will drive it to be "blackboxed"

[20:31:01]

npm:

and thereby make their drm irrelevant :-)

[20:31:05]

ikkeT:

iamlindoro, i just got irritated of some of the menues being in finnish, and some in english, I thought I could do my part for the contributing

[20:31:08]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:31:18]

Beirdo:

do it via wine.

[20:31:23]

npm:

although proper use of crypto would allow totally open drm to still stay secure

[20:31:23]

wagnerrp:

npm: even a black box doesnt work

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Beirdo:

and don't complain when it crashes

[20:31:35]

wagnerrp:

since youre still passing it through open channels to the video output

[20:32:03]

npm:

i trust in the creativity of the communuty. someone will probably figure it out by sticking their whole computer in the microwave :-)

[20:32:19]

npm:

(re breaking drm by inducing errors)

[20:32:21]

wagnerrp:

the only way to make it work would be for nvidia to put some hooks into their proprietary drivers that such a black box could hook into

[20:32:31]

AndyCap:

oh great, another open source drm can work nutcase

[20:32:53]

npm:

with a long enough key, sure

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wagnerrp:

npm: no, it cant work

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wagnerrp:

period

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npm:

and the equivalent of one time pads for every copy

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Beirdo:

bah

[20:33:19]

AndyCap:

hahaha

[20:33:23]

wagnerrp:

if the implementation is open source, you can change the implementation to break the content out

[20:33:28]

Beirdo:

just go buy a DVD

[20:33:52]

AndyCap:

attacker == recipient, so you're screwed

[20:33:56]

wagnerrp:

you cant even ship it as a binary

[20:33:56]

npm:

the implementation of SSH is open source, and nobody's breaking into my serv3r

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Beirdo:

npm: don't be so sure

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wagnerrp:

because people could read the code, and no where to go into the binary to reach the private keys

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npm:

true, but i also use private keys for all logins

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wagnerrp:

npm: thats because they have to already be on your system to access said private keys

[20:34:44]

npm:

exactly

[20:34:49]

wagnerrp:

once they have the private keys, the security is broken

[20:34:52]

npm:

likewise for drm

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npm:

if they key is long and hidden

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Beirdo:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

if the implementation is open source, the key cannot be hidden

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** Beirdo makes some popcorn for the show **

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AndyCap:

npm: attacker == recipient so you can't make it work...

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wagnerrp:

because you can walk through the code to figure out where the program is hiding it

[20:35:38]

npm:

they key for ssh is hidden on my server

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npm:

...

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wagnerrp:

yes, and since you have access to your server, you already have your key

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Beirdo:

you don't distribute your server

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npm:

no but i distribute access to it

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npm:

by virtue of giving out "licenses" ie one part of a key pair

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** Beirdo sighs **

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wagnerrp:

and your system protects the private keys

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AndyCap:

npm: what keeps the people you give access to the server from sharing it with others? :)

[20:37:00]

npm:

additional rings of security on the server

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npm:

i.e. no remote root login ever

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AndyCap:

npm: and where would this be in your fictional drm scheme?

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AndyCap:

hahaaa

[20:37:43]

wagnerrp:

i still cant believe most distros ship openssl with root login enabled

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wagnerrp:

s/l/h/

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npm:

it's a one time pad, each copy is individually encrypted for each recipient

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AndyCap:

npm: so each recipient can take the movie, decrypt it and upload to the piratebay

[20:38:16]

slacktv:

hello all.

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npm:

and can also attartch RGB's to player and record it

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Beirdo:

AndyCap: sounds good to me

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

doesn't sound too good to the content providers though

[20:39:08]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: just dont tell them

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AndyCap:

Beirdo: I'm sure they're not fans

[20:39:13]

npm:

once it's on your machine it's yours. if you violate the law by making more copies, that's your problem (and can be fingerprinted back to you)

[20:39:28]

AndyCap:

npm: ah, so there is no drm

[20:39:35]

wagnerrp:

npm: but the 'rights holder' no longer has control over the content

[20:39:44]

wagnerrp:

DRM isnt to prevent piracy

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npm:

but can track down the violator

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Beirdo:

the content is never yours

[20:39:52]

wagnerrp:

get that misconception out of your mind right now

[20:39:54]

Beirdo:

that's the whole point

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AndyCap:

npm: watermarking is something else entirely

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npm:

doesnt' have to be.

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wagnerrp:

DRM exists to control how YOU access YOUR content

[20:40:15]

npm:

with crypto it can be one and the same

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Beirdo:

uh huh

[20:40:31]

AndyCap:

abra-crypt-dabra. whee

[20:40:34]

wagnerrp:

no, watermarking is not encryption

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npm:

no it's watermarking

[20:40:46]

wagnerrp:

watermarking is just a unique identifier

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wagnerrp:

and has nothing to do with DRM

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npm:

it's all just discrete math in the end

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npm:

everything else is just labels

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wagnerrp:

watermarking actually IS to prevent piracy, unlike DRM

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npm:

and the computer doesn't care what the label is when running an exor

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AndyCap:

...

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** Beirdo looks to see where the bong is... oh, npm has it. **

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npm:

good idea brb

[20:43:17]

Beirdo:

oO

[20:43:17]

Kunalagon:

finaly I get sound from capture device, all I have to do is to restart PC, thanks.

[20:43:31]

ComradeHaz`:

Guys, on installing Mythbuntu, when it asks which video driver I want to install (Open source or nvidia) which do I want?

[20:43:45]

ComradeHaz`:

(Presumable nvidia-glx, but which of those two is that?)

[20:43:50]

** wagnerrp wonders who is more mad... people who think 'decoding 1080p' has any meaning for performance requirements, or people who think an open system can have DRM **

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AndyCap:

ComradeHaz`: nvidia most likely

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** Beirdo votes for the latter **

[20:44:23]

ComradeHaz`:

Uh

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AndyCap:

ComradeHaz`: I'm not an ubuntu user though, but if you want vdpau you need the non open source driver

[20:44:59]

ComradeHaz`:

Me neither actually

[20:45:09]

ComradeHaz`:

my Linux boxes are debian

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** Beirdo puts the DRM in the toilet and flushes it **

[20:45:23]

ComradeHaz`:

but wanted to check this out

[20:45:26]

Beirdo:

but it's part of our life anyways

[20:45:44]

Beirdo:

15 minutes and I'm ducking outta here

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slacktv:

I been here before asking for help with mythweb-release-0-22-fixes, and I been told its problably the DB, I try using mythweb-0.9 and it displays the schedule therefore the DB is fine. It seems like the db variable is never set.

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slacktv:

does anyone know what the dependents of mythweb are?

[20:47:50]

npm:

are other providers also choosing Silverlight as DRM solutution because of it's closed-ness... (ok no that i think about it you do have to keep local access/encryption of privkeys secret, thus DRM closed)

[20:47:59]

npm:

s/no/now

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wagnerrp:

npm: EXACTLY

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npm:

ok i'm was a bit slow

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wagnerrp:

DRM requires access to the content be restricted from the user given the keys, which necessitates a closed system

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to conditional access systems, which just control what remote content the user can access, but provides no control after that point

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npm:

which is why directv had their crazy hardware encryption crap

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wagnerrp:

everyone uses hardware encryption

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wagnerrp:

because its expensive and power hungry to have a general purpose processor run that kind of throughput

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jolaren:

For the life of me I can't get this right

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jolaren:

config file /home/joel/.mythtv/.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure

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jolaren:

2010-03–30 22:50:40.418 FillData, Error: xmltv returned error code 512

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: heh, more like it's too easy to get the data out of a general purpose processor

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jolaren:

trying to run a manualfill

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: im talking about their STBs and the like

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npm:

well the first few generations of directv hardware encryption didn't work

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** Beirdo yawns **

[20:52:05]

Beirdo:

OK, that's it.

[20:52:12]

Beirdo:

I'm getting outta here.

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Beirdo:

:)

[20:52:20]

Beirdo:

seeya on the flip side

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npm:

"Several weeks ago I was in a latin american country where I witnessed hacked satellite TV boxes used in residential settings. Typically, a customer buys 'service' from a local enterpreneur who provides recievers and hacked smartcards. Periodically (approximately monthly) the encryption is changed – when that happens, the enterpreneur hand-delivers a new card to the customer within a day or so.!"

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npm:

what i meant by hardare encryption is they also have various intrusion detection mechanisms, and ways of prventing you from pulling data off of id cards etc. but not as many as verifone's (i worked on the software for them)

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ComradeHaz`:

OK, so trying to get install a frontend mythbuntu onto an old box, but it claims not to be able to access teh backend I have running

[20:56:25]

ComradeHaz`:

(on another box)

[20:56:53]

ComradeHaz`:

Said other box is pingable and I hvae clarified the details in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[20:57:07]

ComradeHaz`:

Anyone any ideas?

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npm:

firewall?

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xand:

mysql listening on the right interfaces?

[20:59:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

backend ip set to 127.0.0.1 ?

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ComradeHaz`:

ooh, dunno xand

[20:59:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

(in mythtv-setup)

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ComradeHaz`:

that sounds possible

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xand:

by default it only listens on localhost

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ComradeHaz`:

ahh, figures

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AndyCap:

ComradeHaz`: have you granted the required permissions?

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** ComradeHaz` shrugs **

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ComradeHaz`:

:D

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J-e-f-f-A:

ComradeHaz`: It's a bit old, but it's all still relevant – http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php – Scroll down to "Remote Frontends" – don't be worried that it's based on a Fedora install. ;-)

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ComradeHaz`:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: It's the first time I've been on your page in a while. ;-) nice update.

[21:06:16]

sphery:

slacktv: IIRC, you're definitely getting http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8158 . The issue is likely due to an invalid mythweb.conf for apache.

[21:07:01]

j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: I started strongâ€¦ tailed off lately...

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j-rod:

hacking the shit out of the crystalhd driver right now though...

[21:07:52]

j-rod:

I mean that almost literally. hacking out custom wrapper junk and putting in upstream-looking replacements

[21:08:47]

j-rod:

there are some serious bonghits in this code

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs. But your work is greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!! **

[21:10:27]

wagnerrp:

you talking about the actual hardware driver? or the 'driver' in ffmpeg?

[21:10:37]

j-rod:

its all super anal-retentive about making sure a certain struct was passed in...

[21:10:45]

j-rod:

kernel device driver

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j-rod:

but the struct is a global

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j-rod:

so any function can just access the one and only universal version

[21:11:19]

wagnerrp:

isnt most of that already your code?

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slacktv:

+sphery: if it was a problem with mythweb.conf why would an older version of mythweb connect to the db without a problem?

[21:11:33]

j-rod:

multiple cards would fall over badly

[21:11:52]

j-rod:

wagnerrp: the code originated inside broadcom

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j-rod:

I've done massive amounts of degaussing of it

[21:12:11]

j-rod:

fixed 64-bit compat

[21:12:19]

j-rod:

fixed compat w/kernels newer than 2.6.26

[21:12:29]

wagnerrp:

slacktv: mythweb does not do any schema checking, so if the schema changers were in an unused area, it may continue working without issue

[21:12:30]

j-rod:

and now back to more de-crapifying

[21:12:39]

wagnerrp:

j-rod: ah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: we do!

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it's just old versions didn't

[21:13:02]

j-rod:

and the more I read the code, the more things I see that need fixing

[21:13:10]

j-rod:

but it *does* work surprisingly well :)

[21:13:11]

kormoc:

pre 0.17 versions didn't do schema version checking

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wagnerrp:

hmm... not sure why i didnt think you did

[21:14:01]

wagnerrp:

i thought this was very recent that you still werent

[21:14:05]

wagnerrp:

like a couple months

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kormoc:

we have a override option you can toggle on, but by default we respect it

[21:14:43]

sphery:

slacktv: because that old version of the MythWeb used a completely different approach for configuring MythWeb, where it had a PHP file you configured

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sphery:

or an htaccess or some other no-longer-used way

[21:15:23]

sphery:

the mythweb.conf stuff was added since that extremely old versoin

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ComradeHaz`:

grr

[21:15:31]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: if you do end up using the python stuff for anything

[21:15:32]

ComradeHaz`:

broken it all now

[21:15:36]

ComradeHaz`:

Tired.

[21:15:39]

wagnerrp:

take note of how database access is handled

[21:15:39]

ComradeHaz`:

Bed. nn

[21:16:03]

gsteinert:

hey all =) m having trouble scanning for channels with my wintv nova-s2. I have read on the wiki that it works out of the box but it refuses to find any channels.

[21:16:22]

wagnerrp:

it accepts a dictionary of connection information, which the internal code will subsequently pass on to any other object that will use it

[21:16:34]

wagnerrp:

just because youre not going to have the normal config.xml available to use

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kormoc:

Rgr

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gsteinert:

i have had the dish professionally aligned so I know its pointing at the correct sattelite (astra 2A/B/D) and my signal meter is showing that it is aligned properly

[21:17:30]

gsteinert:

the signla is shown as 0% while the signal/noise ratio stays around 20%

[21:18:09]

gsteinert:

are there any issues that anyone knows about that could affect my ability to detect channels?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i actually ended up setting it up that way expressly for the purpose of someone writing their own web application (and thus didnt have control over that file)

[21:18:47]

j-rod:

[master 317dbd6] crystalhd: nuke BCMLOG macros, use std dev_foo ones

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j-rod:

7 files changed, 535 insertions(+), 438 deletions(-)

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wagnerrp:

yet another person with DST issues... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/12957 . . . -karmic.html

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iamlindoro:

heh, someone in the wiki making changes to the python bindings docs is local to me

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wagnerrp:

hes been poping in to #mythtv every so often, hes writing something, but im not sure what

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iamlindoro:

interesting

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iamlindoro:

well god bless 'im for using the bindings

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iamlindoro:

and not Bashzilla

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

he was asking about the functions i have about generation of recording rules off guide objects

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wagnerrp:

is it just me or has there been a lot of mention of mytharchive recently?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, seems like

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iamlindoro:

MA, like DVD ripping, is something for which I wish there was "one library to rule them all"

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iamlindoro:

I'd love to rewrite DVD ripping from scratch with something like a libhandbrake

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iamlindoro:

but there's no such animal

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** sphery doesn't understand wanting to put shows on DVD **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: in his case, it actually makes sense

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sphery:

you buy shows on DVD or record them

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wagnerrp:

hes got a DVD player in his car

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wagnerrp:

wants something for his kids to watch on trips

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wagnerrp:

kids shows that he has recorded

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sphery:

that's better than any archival argument, at least

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jams:

oh my wife puts shows on dvd all the time.

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wagnerrp:

to do what with?

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jams:

likes to take them to her friends house when they have a night out

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wagnerrp:

take over to friends?

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wagnerrp:

ah

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jams:

watching concerts and what not

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jams:

let me rephrase that..she tags shows for me to put on dvd

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wagnerrp:

heh

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jams:

the mytharchive interface is to much for her at times

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jams:

not the steps..just the annoying navigation with a remote

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jams:

also been using it to transfer the vhs tapes to dvd

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Beirdo:

hehe

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jams:

it's actually easier to use myth then anything else we ahve

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wagnerrp:

ive got a closet full of VHSs and several VCRs

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why i keep them

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wagnerrp:

actually, i do know why... the VCRs serve as clocks

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jams:

we are finally down to one vcr here, and it's only used for when i convert things

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wagnerrp:

yeah, one VCR as a clock, one thats a combo with a dvd player

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wagnerrp:

and maybe one or two others in closets somewhere

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wagnerrp:

and the drawers and shelves full of empty dvd cases

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vbman2:

in mythweb how do i assign icons to the shows?

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JohnyNorth:

Anybody using showanalyzer and dvrmstool box?

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iamlindoro:

neither of those is relevant to MythTV, so no

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JohnyNorth:

I see thanks

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: my answer was whaaaa?

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

vbman2, Shows don't have icons, channels do

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, indeed

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Beirdo:

so... my Xvnc has no opengl, no sv

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Beirdo:

xv rather

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JohnyNorth:

do you guys remove commercials?

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Beirdo:

so, obviously, no chance of playback :) But it's there for debugging other stuff

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iamlindoro:

Yes, Myth has its own commercial flagger

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iamlindoro:

which interfaces with our database to flag and allow for removal of commercials

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Beirdo:

or removal of anything else if you change the cutpoints ;)

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JohnyNorth:

is it easy to use?

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iamlindoro:

It's easy to use in the context of myth

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iamlindoro:

but unless you're looking to switch to MythTV as your DVR, it's a moot point

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JohnyNorth:

Ok I gotcha!

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sphery:

dougt: you want here, not #mythtv

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sphery:

and it's your apache user's missing a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

oh, though I now see you were given the answer

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: I know how to support the knots/beaufort scale nonsense for weather relatively cleanly :)

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Beirdo:

create a new screen type solely with wind information

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Beirdo:

Call it "It Blows"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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dougt:

sphery: hard to tell if I wanted developers or not developers.

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sphery:

dougt: well, for future reference, if you're verifying the code you've written for MythTV, #mythtv is right. Otherwise, (since you're just trying to /use/ MythTV), #mythtv-users is right. :)

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dougt:

wfm

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** iamlindoro beers dougt for being the one and only user ever amenable to that correction **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

(which goes along with the previous beer I was willing to give you for actually using bindings instead of bashgasms)

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dougt:

heh. ;-)

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sphery:

yes, normally we have to argue it :)

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Beirdo:

gonna be pretty drunk soon

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dougt:

sphery: why isn't the one in /etc/mythtv/config.xml found/used?

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sphery:

dougt: anyway, the whole purpose of the split is because a lot of us try to read everything written in #mythtv, so any discussion that's not focused on changes in progress just slows us down.

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dougt:

sphery: i understand the reason; we have a similar split for people working on mozilla stuff.

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dougt:

i think the main developer channel might be hidden.

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sphery:

dougt: it always uses $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml--that's the only valid location for the file. In many distros, a file is stored in /etc/mythtv/config.xml with links at $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml referring to is

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dougt:

or at least it was for a while.

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dougt:

sphery: ah.. .might have been from my .22 install.

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sphery:

dougt: yeah, I can imagine with mozilla you'd have a /ton/ of lost users in the dev channel. hidden dev channel is a nice idea, too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'd imagine more would go to a #firefox than a #mozilla though

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sphery:

The first rule of the hidden dev channel is...

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dougt:

btw... best advice I can give as a newbie. don't `apt-get remove myth-*` with the intention of upgrading to the trunk... while your wife is just getting use to myth.

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Beirdo:

what hidden dev channel :)

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dougt:

#developers

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dougt:

doh! ;-)

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Beirdo:

it don't exist :)

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Beirdo:

that's the first rule :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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dougt:

i guess I fail. maybe i can work on other stuff now.

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dougt:

-)

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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Beirdo:

not to worry.

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Beirdo:

dangit I need a chiropractor

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Beirdo:

stupid back

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dougt:

Beirdo: ditto.

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dougt:

hurt my back in Oct. not sure why it still sucks.

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Beirdo:

heh, I hurt my neck in 2000. It's still being a pain in the neck

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Beirdo:

and my entire upper back follows suit at times

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Beirdo:

now, just WHAT was I going to do...

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Beirdo:

Oh yeah.

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Beirdo:

heh.

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** dougt cheers for getting older. **

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Beirdo:

gputrans needs to git onto github

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dougt:

bbiab

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Beirdo:

that's what I was gonna do

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

trying to find changes affecting fftw3 is /very/ difficult with using_libfftw3 all over the place

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

git-svn isn't liking doing direct filesystem based accaess?

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Beirdo:

file:///svn/repo

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

la la la

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Beirdo:

http://github.com/Beirdo/gputrans

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wagnerrp:

dougt needs to start leaving his client online if im to help him use the bindings...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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