Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, March 27th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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matmatmat:

feel free to tidy up your basement

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kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

way to make friends with developers

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Beirdo:

I don't have a basement. Even if I did, I wouldn't be tidying it

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matmatmat:

thats the point

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matmatmat:

you can still feel free to do it

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matmatmat:

even though you dont have one

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kormoc:

Durrr?

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm

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iamlindoro:

You know what would be neat

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iamlindoro:

if the channel was set to +q

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kormoc:

ooh!

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iamlindoro:

and everyone who entered was quizzed on something by mythlogbot

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

and they had to answer some question, INTELLIGENTLY, to get voiced

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kormoc:

"What is your name?" "What is your quest?"

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Beirdo:

have us vote on it

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I was just thinking that :)

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: have them put in a randomly generated string from the channel FAQ page :)

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iamlindoro:

heh, nice

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Beirdo:

you wanna talk, you read the rules

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: http://blog.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and . . . ise-in-chat/

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iamlindoro:

I like

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wagnerrp:

of course that would have problems in here, with people asking the same questions over and over

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wagnerrp:

worse for the helpers, who have the same responses to those questions, over and ove

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iamlindoro:

Just being forced to profess that they have read the rules, and acknowledging that a first offense will result in a kick would be OK

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** mag0o got his netflix dvd today for the wii **

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Beirdo:

yeah. google.com

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Beirdo:

heh

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matmatmat:

why dont you just keep kicking like the way it is?

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** Beirdo hands iamlindoro the boot **

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Beirdo:

OK :)

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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matmatmat has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (matmatmat)

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iamlindoro:

He's right, that is more satisfying

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Beirdo:

hehe

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matmatmat:

whats your problem?

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Beirdo:

boredom and lack of booze

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iamlindoro:

people who think the rules don't apply to them, male pattern baldness, world hunger

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iamlindoro:

in that order

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matmatmat:

what rules did i break by asking that question

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iamlindoro:

namely, if you get kicked for flouting the rules, and then you come abck and would like to stay, it would be best to not poke the animals

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iamlindoro:

Otherwise, I'll summon a manager immediately and we can refund your support contract completely

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matmatmat:

youre overreacting

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Beirdo:

maybe so

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iamlindoro:

you're trolling for a bad

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iamlindoro:

ban

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matmatmat:

try beta blockers

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Beirdo:

try relaxing, matmatmat

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** iamlindoro sets mode +b on !*@* **

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Beirdo:

heh

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** mag0o prepares to not part **

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wagnerrp:

i think you forgot a star there

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iamlindoro:

needs more fire

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** Beirdo needs a cigar **

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clever:

my XV color key bug is back

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clever:

i'm getting more info on it now

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donDTF:

sweet, got, video back

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donDTF:

but the real test is to see if it survives a reboot

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donDTF:

or really ,a restart of x

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donDTF:

tee hee

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donWTH:

hrm wonder which thing fixed it heh

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donWTH:

everythings perfects now. magic.

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npm:

earlier i mentioned http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net and http://qmidinet.sourceforge.net and ComradeHaz`seemed pleased: if mythtv were extended w/ MMC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_Machine_Control )... would provide a very useful (and universal) way to fine-control dvr functions (jog dial), using widely supported control protocol and surfaces like this http://www.frontierdesign.com/Products/TranzPort

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wagnerrp:

can you still find computers with MIDI ports?

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wagnerrp:

i think ive still got an old Santa Cruz with a MIDI port

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iamlindoro:

I think there is virtually zero chance of such a patch being written, let alone applied

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wagnerrp:

youre welcome to write something to translate those commands into something usable over telnet or lirc

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wagnerrp:

left4dead gets updated too often...

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iamlindoro:

I avoid that problem by not playing left4dead

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iamlindoro:

now, if Black Mesa would just come out...

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wagnerrp:

i mean every time i go to start up my server, theres a huge chunk of patches for it to download

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bobboau:

is this the place to be for myth help?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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bobboau:

cool I just got a hvr-1600 and I want to get it to work with myth, I've followed the instructions in the wiki for getting it setup but it still doesn't seem to be working

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wagnerrp:

where along are you stuck?

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wagnerrp:

are you trying analog? do you have a /dev/video0? or are you trying digital? do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0?

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bobboau:

the cx18 driver doesn't seem to be working/installed corectly

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bobboau:

/dev/video# does not exsist

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wagnerrp:

can you pastebin your dmesg output?

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bobboau:

the whole thing?

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wagnerrp:

anything from the dozen or so seconds after the driver got loaded

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wagnerrp:

thats pastebin, not paste

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bobboau:

cx18 does not show up at all

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bobboau:

http://pastebin.org/125269

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bobboau:

there's the whole thing

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wagnerrp:

anything in lsmod?

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bobboau:

nope

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wagnerrp:

well if its not in lsmod, there wouldnt be anything in dmesg either

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bobboau:

incedently, this was the wiki article I followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

try forcing it... modprobe cx18

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bobboau:

FATAL: Module cx18 not found.

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bobboau:

I just redid the make/install steps of that guide, I see no errors

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wagnerrp:

what are these references to changing root?

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wagnerrp:

youre not doing this on a livecd are you?

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bobboau:

no, mint8

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wagnerrp:

but this is an ubuntu build

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bobboau:

mintu is a derivitive of ubuntu

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bobboau:

a very close derivitive

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wagnerrp:

well the driver is not loading, because its not properly installed

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wagnerrp:

as why it failed to find it when you tried to manually load

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bobboau:

any ideas on where I should go from here?

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Stevieman:

what's the best atsc card for myth, I'm working my way through the wiki but I'm not finding a lot of favourable information

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wagnerrp:

Stevieman: pci, pcie, usb, external?

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wagnerrp:

bobboau: somewhere in 'make' or 'make install'

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wagnerrp:

there should have been an error, explaining why it was not done properly

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Stevieman:

Lets say pci to be safe, I can't remember if my machine has pci-e :)

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wagnerrp:

what is your machine?

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wagnerrp:

what processor family?

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Stevieman:

It's a P4

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wagnerrp:

probably PCI only

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Stevieman:

most likely

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Stevieman:

problem is I just built a new machine for my office so keeping what machine has what in it is tricky :)

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wagnerrp:

kworld makes some cheaper tuners (<$50)

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Stevieman:

cheaper is good

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wagnerrp:

you can occasionally find a pinnacle 800i on sale for $25, but they usually go for ~$80

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wagnerrp:

linuxtv is actually the much better resource for this kind of information than mythtv

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wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards

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Stevieman:

I've only ever used Hauppauge and a twinhan card

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Stevieman:

I was shocked to see the atsc hauppauge cards are not so great

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wagnerrp:

im perfectly happy with mine

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wagnerrp:

the difference is that hauppauge was basically the only company to offer mpeg encoders for analog cards

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wagnerrp:

which is something you absolutely want when using analog for mythtv

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Stevieman:

ah, well I love my 150

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wagnerrp:

while for digital, so longer as you have a good, clean signal, it doesnt much matter what card you have since theyll all give the same data

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Stevieman:

yah, well I'm putting up an antenna so I hope I'll have some strong signals

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npm:

what are people going to use to record into myth once analog loophole gets closed ? seems like well need boards with high res analog ins no?

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bobboau:

I just looked over the make/install output I don't see anything that looks like an error, for second oppinions look http://pastebin.org/125291

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npm:

s/well/we'll

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wagnerrp:

npm: we have boards with high-res analog ins

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wagnerrp:

and we have devices to open back up the analog 'loophole'

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npm:

what would you recommend for recording to that resolution (whatever it was, 720?)

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is currently available and usable in linux and mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there was something else similar announced at CES this year, but not yet released

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Stevieman:

analog loophole?

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npm:

oh and what devices to open up the hole??

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wagnerrp:

Stevieman: yeah, if you record over analog, the content is now yours to do with as you please, rather than controlled by some digital rights incapacitation

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bobboau:

has any cablecard capable hardware come out yet?

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wagnerrp:

bobboau: sure, now that its defunct, and is going to be replaced

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npm:

the hd-pvr is usb. anything pci w/ hardware encoder. (i assume hauppage pvr-150/500 won't cut it w/ 720 res right?)

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bobboau:

heh

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wagnerrp:

of course mythtv will _never_ be able to use it, because it cannot guarantee that it will follow the copy restrictions

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Stevieman:

+wagnerrp: ah right\

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wagnerrp:

npm: http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm

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Stevieman:

It seems like there is some forced upgrading going on?

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wagnerrp:

only if you want HD

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wagnerrp:

npm: AverMedia announced a device similar to the HDPVR at CES this year, and claimed that there would be a internal card available as well

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npm:

very interesting w/ HDFury...

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npm:

so until then continue bidding on a pvr-500 (i refuse to go over $25 so i've been losing alot :-) )

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wagnerrp:

$25 is very low for a 500

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npm:

i know

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wagnerrp:

theyre usually around $40

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npm:

yep, that's what all my "didn't wins" have been telling me.

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npm:

on the other hand, i missed twice, getting em for around $20 due to not being there... so

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npm:

i will continue

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bobboau:

does anyone have any ideas on why I cant get the driver for my hvr-1600 installed/working

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bobboau:

make/install output: http://pastebin.org/125291

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bobboau:

dmesg output: http://pastebin.org/125269

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wagnerrp:

seems their internal version is just a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

no hardware encoding

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wagnerrp:

thats disappointing, as its not trivial to encode 1080i in real time

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t1ger:

Hello

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t1ger:

I'm looking for help about runlevels.

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t1ger:

How can I spesify an init.d script to run first ?

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iamlindoro:

probably best to seek help for OS level stuf in ##linux or #yourdistro

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bobboau:

ok, so if no one here knows how to solve my problem can you tell me where else to ask?

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iamlindoro:

bobboau, #linuxtv, and a boatload of patience, their channel is much lower traffic than ours

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iamlindoro:

you will theoretically need to spend a day or two there to get your answer

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t1ger:

k

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bobboau:

lol, is the chanell archived?

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squidly:

anyone here using a directtv set top box with myth?

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wagnerrp:

squidly: probably plenty

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I have a problem

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mattwj2002:

my remote just stops working randomly

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mattwj2002:

any ideas why?

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mattwj2002:

same remote and reciever works fine in another machine

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mattwj2002:

a reboot fixes it

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squidly:

wagnerrp: ok. Cool. I may be asking for help in a just over a week to set one up

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mattwj2002:

hi wagnerrp

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dewman:

is there any particular reason why music channels are showing up under watch tv even though the scan type was set to tv only?

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wagnerrp:

squidly: i didnt mean to say i did personally

[04:13:13]

wagnerrp:

but there is no difference to setting up analog capture off any STB

[04:13:19]

wagnerrp:

cable, satellite, or otherwise

[04:13:48]

Beirdo:

maybe different IR codes required to change channels, that's about it

[04:15:11]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you think instead of 18h, I should just do 2-day?

[04:15:30]

Beirdo:

or the next 6 values?

[04:16:09]

wagnerrp:

there is no 2-day screen to provide

[04:16:40]

Beirdo:

no, I mean populate the 18h one with just the next 6 predictions

[04:16:48]

Beirdo:

even though that will be > 18h

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wagnerrp:

oh... dont know

[04:17:16]

wagnerrp:

if anything, maybe just do a spline interp or something

[04:17:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it was in the great audio patch of 0.23

[04:17:28]

sphery:

(24-bit audio was)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:17:32]

Beirdo:

OMG

[04:17:46]

Beirdo:

I guess I could do some interpolation, true

[04:18:12]

Beirdo:

but then I'm not sure if that meets ToS

[04:18:20]

Beirdo:

I'll have to double-check

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Beirdo:

as it would be claiming forecasts that weren't from them were or something...

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sphery:

Nvidia drops support for open source driver

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sphery:

um... I guess I have to read that to find out how nvidia was supporting the open source driver before

[04:19:38]

Beirdo:

sphery: and nobody cares :)

[04:19:40]

wagnerrp:

is that really a bad thing?

[04:19:58]

Beirdo:

only the freetards will care about that, I bet

[04:20:08]

wagnerrp:

i mean it didnt do much of anything

[04:20:14]

sphery:

yeah

[04:20:16]

Beirdo:

exactly

[04:20:37]

sphery:

though in my world, freetards are those who believe you should be able to steal things

[04:20:39]

wagnerrp:

you couldnt even do multi-monitor with it could you?

[04:20:52]

sphery:

zealots are those who believe that every corporation should make everything Free

[04:21:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, true. good distinction

[04:21:12]

sphery:

:)

[04:21:17]

Beirdo:

although often they are intersecting groups

[04:21:28]

wagnerrp:

no, not really

[04:21:36]

sphery:

only because I'm somewhere along the scale toward zealot, but I'm far from freetard

[04:21:43]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:22:01]

sphery:

agreed, though, they're not mutually exclusive

[04:22:24]

Beirdo:

there are some zealots that think that corps should make everything free, and since they won't we should be allowed to steal..

[04:22:29]

iamlindoro:

Maybe we can get RMS to do a rain dance again

[04:22:33]

wagnerrp:

zealots want things to be open, so they can fiddle and tinker to their heart's desire

[04:22:44]

Beirdo:

but yeah.

[04:22:46]

wagnerrp:

freetards are just cheap bastards unwilling to pay for things

[04:23:01]

wagnerrp:

but think they should have then anyway

[04:23:05]

Beirdo:

there is an intersection between the groups though

[04:23:28]

Beirdo:

but I shouldn't assume that intersection is too large :)

[04:23:35]

iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t96m2ynKw0

[04:23:38]

highzeth:

last time I checked, even the freetards had to buy the hw, or?

[04:23:48]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

iamlindoro: or a gnu dance

[04:23:55]

Beirdo:

unless they are also shoplifters

[04:24:04]

highzeth:

true ;)

[04:24:05]

sphery:

oh, that's the one you linked :)

[04:24:08]

wagnerrp:

highzeth: sure, but theyre going to get someone else to recompress it for them, so they dont have to spend so much on hard drives

[04:24:36]

Beirdo:

and they get daddy to buy it anyways

[04:24:37]

wagnerrp:

and theyre going to dump all sorts of stuff to DVD because they seem to think its cheaper that way

[04:26:20]

** sphery considers making the pre-startup check on the master backend do a SHOW TABLE STATUS LIKE 'settings'; **

[04:26:31]

highzeth:

my comment was merely on the need for hw to get anything "done", which camp they choose to be in on the closed/open driver debacle I couldnt care less about to be honest.

[04:26:43]

sphery:

there have been a lot of users who get corrupt settings table, then wonder why it prompts them for language every startup

[04:26:57]

sphery:

or why <whatever> doesn't work

[04:27:03]

Beirdo:

yeah

[04:27:06]

highzeth:

yep

[04:27:16]

Beirdo:

maybe check EVERY table for corrupt?

[04:27:28]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was going to say just do a full scan

[04:27:28]

sphery:

I could just do the auto-maintenance, but it would be /much/ easier if we had an embedded db

[04:27:45]

sphery:

full scan can take a /long/ time (especially on some hardware)

[04:28:06]

Beirdo:

I've never seen it take too long

[04:28:07]

wagnerrp:

do the stuff needed now, and then thread it off to the background?

[04:28:10]

Beirdo:

but I guess

[04:28:25]

Beirdo:

it sure does on beirdobot's DB

[04:28:42]

Beirdo:

but it's several orders of magnitude larger than any mythconverg

[04:29:03]

Beirdo:

4M or so records in one table

[04:29:12]

wagnerrp:

sphery might give you a run for your money

[04:29:22]

wagnerrp:

just imagine his recordedmarkup

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Beirdo:

I guess the markups can get up there after a while

[04:29:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, I forgot that one :)

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wagnerrp:

around 1200hrs of stuff, with a keyframe every half second

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Beirdo:

I take it back... comparable in size for some ;)

[04:30:15]

sphery:

I have 9.5M in recordedseek.

[04:30:16]

Beirdo:

yeah, but the records are smaller

[04:30:29]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i guestimated 8.6M

[04:30:35]

sphery:

But there are issues with doing it while the DB is being accessed by other threads.

[04:30:38]

Beirdo:

what;s the total DB size in MB?

[04:30:52]

sphery:

which is why the big plan involves making a single process access the data and serve it to everyone else

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Beirdo:

true

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sphery:

for mine?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its only a few dozen bytes for each of those rows

[04:30:59]

Beirdo:

yeah

[04:31:09]

wagnerrp:

not a full line of text, username, and timestamp

[04:31:14]

Beirdo:

just curious how large it's getting these days

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sphery:

500MB including indices and form files

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

yah, comparable in size then :)

[04:32:14]

Beirdo:

600MB or so for these loga including the clucene indexes

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sphery:

my gzip compressed backups from mythconverg_backup.pl are 87MB

[04:32:21]

Beirdo:

nice

[04:32:59]

sphery:

Some users will have much larger DB's--those with lots of seektables for MythVideo videos (since filemarkup has a path component in it)

[04:33:13]

sphery:

but it's basically only those 2 tables that grow large (and that grow over time)

[04:33:19]

Beirdo:

yep

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Beirdo:

and oldrecordings grows too, but not nearly as fast

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wagnerrp:

yeah, oldrecorded is the only one that grows indefinitely

[04:34:03]

wagnerrp:

the markups will have an upper size limit

[04:34:06]

sphery:

So, I could do a housekeeping job that does a SHOW TABLE STATUS daily... If any are marked as crashed, output a message to logs

[04:34:10]

Beirdo:

I used to graph my db size in cacti :)

[04:35:14]

sphery:

repairing is scary because if the DB server goes down while in repair and you don't do a repair immediately before anyone tries to access the table, you could very easily lose the whole table (the data and all)

[04:35:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, it can get horribly messed up

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sphery:

If we have a single process handling DB access, it's much easier to put those safety checks in place--as the housekeeping table is unimportant data, so we could store the status in there

[04:35:55]

sphery:

and if we lose the whole table, who cares

[04:36:06]

sphery:

but when every backend and client is accessing the DB directly...

[04:36:18]

Beirdo:

makes it tough

[04:36:19]

wagnerrp:

well you could put in locks, but thats not quite the same

[04:36:37]

wagnerrp:

or can you not lock broken tables?

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sphery:

well, only if all clients agree to abide by the locks

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sphery:

would DB table locks survive a crash/restart?

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wagnerrp:

no clue

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sphery:

(that's why I assumed you meant external locks)

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sphery:

I do want to go embedded DB

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sphery:

and if we do, that would make the auto-DB optimization/maintenance/repair easy

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Beirdo:

I still don't like the idea, but I'm not going over it all again :)

[04:37:58]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

I'll convince you--with my wonderful implementation

[04:38:13]

wagnerrp:

it would still be stored as a mysql database, right?

[04:38:17]

Beirdo:

the recreating the network interface part of it... bleh

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sphery:

(implementations speak louder than ideas :)

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wagnerrp:

i mean if you ever do want to tinker, couldnt you just point mysqld at the folder and go?

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Beirdo:

that's true

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sphery:

yeah, the network interface is what's holding me back so far

[04:39:06]

Beirdo:

with the network interface, you're kinda just reinventing mysqld anyways

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Beirdo:

which is kinda pointless

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sphery:

basically, I love the idea of "no one messes with my data without going through me", but I haven't decided on a good protocol for communication

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wagnerrp:

raw sql?

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sphery:

except when we have a single process overseeing all DB access, we can stop invalid requests

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sphery:

which is why I don't want raw SQL

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matmatmat:

where does the backend setup expect the m3u for the network recorder to be?

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jamesd_:

is they a way to enable closed captions via the telnet menu?

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sphery:

remember we have a lot of clients that are written such that they pretend to know what they're doing

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matmatmat:

i cant point to a local file it seems

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matmatmat:

it only accepts urls

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_: only through the key presses

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wagnerrp:

theres not all that much exposed through the telnet interface

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wagnerrp:

it was programmed to the requirements of Pluto way back when, and not expanded a whole lot past that

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jamesd_:

oh well.. the wife will just have to get used to doing it by hand...

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sphery:

why not put a key on the remote?

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jamesd_:

i guess sometimes i wish i did use gentoo, so that i wouldn't have a reason not to enahance it...

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sphery:

or check the setting to always enable them "Always display closed captioning or subtitles"

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jamesd_:

is there a simple way to enable it? i have an mce version 2 control with no color buttons

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sphery:

Just map a key with Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys (or have one button on your remote send T)

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jamesd_:

oh cool i can do that..

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jamesd_:

thanks.. that works .. i didn't know it was a single letter

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sphery:

y/w

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sphery:

enjoy

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xris:

anyone run into issues connecting to mythlcdserver? I can telnet to hostname:6545 but not localhost:6545

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FreakWent:

mythtv seems to store the frequencies wrongly for ABC DTV in some parts of australia. A channels.conf that works in other apps has 205625000, but mythtv stores this in dtv_multiplex in mysqsl as 205000000. I've changed it but I still get (LMs) and no channel lock.

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FreakWent:

Can anyone see what I'm trying to do here and lend me a hand?

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wagnerrp:

check the 'Finetune' parameter in the channel editor in mythtv-setup

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FreakWent:

ty

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wagnerrp:

although that only seems to allow adjustment up to 300kHz

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wagnerrp:

youre off by 625

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FreakWent:

eh? can you elaborate please?

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wagnerrp:

the adjustment, only allows up to 300kHz of fine tuning

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wagnerrp:

while youre off by 625kHz

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wagnerrp:

are you sure youre using the proper channel table?

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FreakWent:

ah

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FreakWent:

it scans and finds the channels

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FreakWent:

but can't lock

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FreakWent:

apparently the drivers can't tuner the offset properly

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FreakWent:

the workaround is to specifically the offset freq as the channel freq instead of the base freq

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FreakWent:

if that makes any sense

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FreakWent:

wagnerrrp are you still around?

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FreakWent:

I don't know a better way to get channels into mythtv than scanning, but I'm desperate for suggestions!

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i can think of is that youre using the wrong channel table

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wagnerrp:

youre using the australia one in the locale settings in mythtv-setup?

[06:09:29]

wagnerrp:

maybe try australia-optus instead

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FreakWent:

what do you mean buy channel "table", do you mean channels.con-- Ah, no you don't.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup, first option, a couple pages in

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wagnerrp:

you can set the 'Channel frequency table'

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have it set properly, you could see these sorts of problems

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FreakWent:

If I cahange it from aust to aust-optus (I don't hav optus cable tv) do I need to re-scan or restart or anything?

[06:11:14]

wagnerrp:

dont know, never had to fiddle with that personally

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FreakWent:

well exactly the same synmptoms persist.

[06:12:01]

FreakWent:

is there a mysql query that will show me all the tables that have a frequency field?

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wagnerrp:

you have to at least delete the offending channel, and rescan for that one

[06:12:47]

wagnerrp:

it would probably be good to delete everything and rescan from scratch

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FreakWent:

okay I'll try that

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FreakWent:

scanning...

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FreakWent:

back soon

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matmatmat:

oh hi

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matmatmat:

no epg kinda sucks in the long run

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt you have any guide data?

[06:36:15]

matmatmat:

its iptv, i dont think theres any in the stream

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wagnerrp:

but you cant find an xmltv provider?

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matmatmat:

ya, doing that right now

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matmatmat:

is there really nothing in the stream?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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matmatmat:

its dvb, shouldnt be really much different from anything else

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wagnerrp:

its iptv, its nothing like dvb

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matmatmat:

my provider says its using a sattelite signal more or less

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matmatmat:

the dvb-s epg is in the stream?

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matmatmat:

hm cant get that xml grabber to work

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matmatmat:

i cant even compile it, it says cannot create executables

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clever:

matmatmat: ive heard tha terror before somewhere

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clever:

try googling it

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oobe:

after upgrading to .23 fixes branch when i use mplayer as internal player for some video it launches behind mythtv so i can only hear sound at first i thought there was no display at all and only sound but pressing alt tab make's mplayer come to the fore ground

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wagnerrp:

oobe: wht are you using mplayer?

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oobe:

yes im using mplayer

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wagnerrp:

why are you using mplayer?

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oobe:

if you meant why then i use it for some video

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oobe:

mostly i use internal player

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wagnerrp:

ok, just some stuff that doesnt work with the internal...

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wagnerrp:

if you are having focus issues, you probably arent running any sort of window manager

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clever:

then why does alt+tab fix it

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clever:

the fact that alt+tab works means he has a WM

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oobe:

im using fluxbox

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt read that far down

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oobe:

it used to work fine in .22 etc.

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wagnerrp:

then you need to set fluxbox to force new windows to the foreground

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clever:

i just run ratpoison as my WM

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clever:

its perfect for use with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

should be under menu --> configure --> focus model

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oobe:

ok i will check that out

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wagnerrp:

check the two bottom ones

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oobe:

i hadnt thought of it being the wm

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wagnerrp:

focus new windows, and auto raise

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oobe:

ok tried that didnt work but i assume its somthing in this area

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oobe:

ok it was cause i had mythfrontend set as sticky in ~/.fluxbox/apps

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oobe:

i did that to stop mythfrontend from occasionally loosing focusing when switching tty's

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oobe:

strange how it only started effecting me after upgrade

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oobe:

works well now thanks

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[Peter]:

0.23rc1 sure has interesting subtitle rendering for HD channels :)

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wagnerrp:

how is that?

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[Peter]:

it seems like it's rendered for SD, so you get a small subtitle vertically centered to the left

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[Peter]:

I'll see if I can get a screenshot of it

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wagnerrp:

nothing like a bit of SQL injection... http://a.fsdn.com/sd/firehose/010/779/180-1.png

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: http://kahn.bz.nu/~peter/subs.jpg

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matmatmat:

hmm

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matmatmat:

guess hardly anyone is in need of that xml script

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Hiisty:

which xml script?

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justinh:

xml script? hmm sounds like those nasty 'plugins' (which are about as far removed from a plugin as you could be) which write menu xml files on the fly

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justinh:

oh.. scrolled up & saw the reference

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justinh:

xml grabber.. xmltv grabber.. from dvb? Myth should be able to do that for you anyway, the only reason I can think of you'd like to do it externally is if you're combining data or something. Blech

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grumpydevil:

i've just compiled 0.23 on my test system

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grumpydevil:

backend seems to run well on its own machine

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grumpydevil:

frontend though is giving me a problem: the letters it uses are unreadably small

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grumpydevil:

anyone an idea?

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grumpydevil:

0.22 behaved OK

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justinh:

changed theme? updated the theme? forgot to update the theme you use?

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grumpydevil:

i'm using a script, i copied that script from 0.22 to 0.23 and ensured it works in the correct directory

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grumpydevil:

you have me thinking though... but on the other hand, this being a test FE where i want it to ask for the BE, this is before it even has a DB connection

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grumpydevil:

on my main system i still have an incorrectly detected CPU: uname -p: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5520 @ 2.27GHz

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grumpydevil:

hmm... deleting /usr/local/share/mythtv and running "make install" from both themes and plugins does not help

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rabc:

hi folks anyone around to help

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oobe:

rabc, just ask your question

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rabc:

hi obe does anyone know if you can buy a linux HTPC/media centre with mythtv preloaded

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oobe:

diy would be my preference

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oobe:

but yes you can there are places around dont ask me where though

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rabc:

thanks oobe are there any good guides for DIY HTPC for mythTV

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oobe:

the main thing is choosing the right hardware

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oobe:

make sure you get a good motherboard and tv tuner that is well supported

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oobe:

the rest will fall into place

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oobe:

if you dont use linux much then learning the basics is strongly recomended

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rabc:

what a good tv tuner/video card maker most linux friendly

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oobe:

nvidia make the best video cards for linux

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rabc:

do they support linux drivers

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oobe:

yes

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oobe:

i cannot suggest a brand name for tv tuners as they all stock some well supported cards and other cards are not so well supported

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oobe:

dont get stuck on brand names when it comes to hardware support

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rabc:

ok thanks having a look at nvidia now

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oobe:

this page is good to find out about supported tuners

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oobe:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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oobe:

what sort of tuner did you need

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oobe:

digital or analogue?

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rabc:

prob digital ideally but tv tuner not totally necessary but need composite in/out and maybe HDMI

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rabc:

thanks oobe

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oobe:

i dont know of any digital tuners with composite in or out

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oobe:

i spose you can get both

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oobe:

also hdmi will be used by your graphics card

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oobe:

why do you need composite in/out

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rabc:

i want to rip video from VHS SKY box camcorder (also has HDMI)

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rabc:

thanks oobe

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oobe:

ok well i do that too its not really important in terms of mythtv to have composite in/out

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oobe:

but vhs rip can be handy

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rabc:

aye thanks

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oobe:

in mythtv fixes .23 the m does what i key used to and the i key displays info instead of the old function anyone know how i can bring up the menu to switch recording groups like in older versions

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gbee:

press M again

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oobe:

oh sweet

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oobe:

that works out heaps better

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oobe:

i read somthing about it somewhere before i upgraded but didnt really pay attention

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oobe:

makes more since this way since the i key generally means info

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gbee:

that's the idea, but maybe I should have pushed the issue of indicating there was a second 'page' to the menu

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oobe:

i dont know how you would do that

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oobe:

i have seen ppl complain in lists about there muscle memory after bindings change

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oobe:

but this way makes more sense to me and wont take long to get used to

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oobe:

plus being able to see all the info about each recording can be handy

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oobe:

i guess you could have 1or2 and 2of2 at the top of each menu

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oobe:

is that sort of what you mean

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klynn:

my mythfrontend suddenly had the keyboard stop working yesterday. any idea what may cause that?

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gbee:

oobe: yeah, that's all I meant

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gbee:

or some icon/arrow to indicate there is more

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oobe:

icons would work too

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oobe:

klynn, that is a known bug it happens to me all the time lirc still works but keyboard doesnt

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oobe:

restarting mythfrontend fixes it temporarily

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oobe:

i havent noticed it yet in .23 so it may be fixed

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sphery:

oobe: also, note that if you're in the groups list, you'll get the group menu and if you're in the show list, you'll get the show menu

[12:51:42]

sphery:

regardless of which you get, though, pressing M again will toggle

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klynn:

oobe: restarting the frontend doesn't fix it for me unfortunately.

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klynn:

i'm on .23 so maybe it's something new

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oobe:

what version are you using klynn

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

no idea

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oobe:

it used to happen to me on .22 but hasnt happened yet on .23

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klynn:

0.23.0+fixes23789–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1

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klynn:

I'll try again a few times..

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sphery:

rabc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/External_Links#Myt . . . _.2F_Distros (where the 2nd includes a couple of companies selling preconfigured, too)

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sphery:

klynn: it's almost definitely a focus problem. Can you make it work by bringing up a new window, then using Alt Tab (or whatever your WM maps) to switch windows

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oobe:

i started using openbox tonight

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oobe:

i couldnt fully fix a problem i had with fluxbox

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klynn:

it's not even fully starting the frontend now. That's the other problem. I haven't been able to properly exit without the keyboard and when I start up the frontend again it doesn't work at all. Never paints the menu.

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sphery:

fluxbox is still very much in flux

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sphery:

they keep changing how focus works in it

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sphery:

klynn: that's usually because your video drivers are broken... You typically need one or both of the exports at the top of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407386#407386

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oobe:

well when i switched to .23 for no reason i ended up having focus problems with mplayer as external

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oobe:

i changed some things in fluxbox it fixed it then it for no reason went bad again

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sphery:

klynn: if you are using GNOME with Compiz, I highly recommend switching window manager. If you want, you can still use GNOME, but try switching to OpenBox

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klynn:

it's strange.. I have 3 other frontends in the house that work just fine. It's only this one I'm having trouble with.

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oobe:

since i been fixing problems in fluxbox on and off for ages i decided it may be easier to just use somthing else entirely

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klynn:

sphery: naw.. I use metacity

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sphery:

oobe: 0.23 actually makes the MythTV window full screen and "top layer" if you have it set for full screen. So, if you use external apps like MPlayer, it's quite likely they'll appear underneath.

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klynn:

I'll try out openbox and see how I like that one.

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oobe:

ok that must be it sphery

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oobe:

works ok now in openbox

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oobe:

klynn just try xfce if you already have it installed

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oobe:

since that is what mythbuntu has preconfigured for mythtv

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sphery:

yeah, I should have said, "Fluxbox interprets the flags to make mythfrontend top layer..."

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sphery:

different WM's interpret the flags differently

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oobe:

but by all means try openbox too

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klynn:

I've been thinking about just reinstalling the OS on this laptop anyways since it's 32 bit and should be 64 like the rest of my boxes

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klynn:

Maybe I'll do that so I'm working on a cleaner install

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oobe:

doesnt sound necessary but would probably fix your problem unless you set it up exactly the same as last time

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klynn:

I agree it's probably not necessary but I've done all kinds of wonky things to this laptop over the last 2 years. It's somewhat.. nonstandard.

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klynn:

I figure.. I'd probably waste less time by the reinstall than debugging mythfrontend.

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klynn:

here's another question.. how do you restart the audio for other programs after you have a bad mythfrontend exit?

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klynn:

I hate the fact that I lose my audio. :)

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gbee:

huh?

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oobe:

in *buntu it would be service alsa restart or /etc/init.d/alsa restart

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klynn:

ahh I thought it was using pulseaudio now so I wasn't sure that would work

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oobe:

klynn, also finding some process that is hogging your device use lsof | grep snd

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oobe:

the kill it manually

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oobe:

well it might be using pulse

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oobe:

i assumed not

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oobe:

i dont use pulse but im under the impression if setup correctly allows multiple devices to access the soundcard

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gbee:

even alsa does that

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

but not with multiple volume controls for each app

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gbee:

myth shouldn't be 'hogging' the soundcard and even when exiting as the result of a segfault, it shouldn't cause a problem

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klynn:

oobe: yeah.. like I said.. I need to reinstall this laptop. It doesn't allow multiple dev access no matter which you use and restarting the apps from /etc/init.d normally doesn't fix it.

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gbee:

oobe: no that's true

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oobe:

really

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gbee:

there is only one mixer device and so the volume you set in myth is the system wide volume (which is just as well, since software volume control sucks)

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gbee:

but that's all

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sphery:

+1 on why per-app volume control is bad

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sphery:

Just because Windows Vista/Windows 7 has it, doesn't me we should... :)

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oobe:

depends what your doing but for purpose of running stand alone mythbox its totally unecessary

[13:14:13]

sphery:

agreed

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oobe:

but if you have a desktop with lots of apps and some make more annoying sounds than others

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oobe:

it can be handy

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oobe:

as in a desktop period for multi tasking

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oobe:

it could have mythtv or not

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sphery:

I just configure all my apps to only make sounds when I want them

[13:15:24]

oobe:

i stopped using windows for good around the time vista came out but i really liked that feature

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sphery:

I'm the one guy at the airport/on planes whose laptop nevermakes annoying noises and disturbs other people

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oobe:

cool

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sphery:

of course, in Windows, it's /much/ harder to set up a system like that

[13:16:51]

sphery:

you'd have to individually configure your programs since some Windows devs think beeps and boops and other random noises (including spoken words) are a good idea

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oobe:

i lived in a flat where the walls were thin and i had a nieghbour who complained about any reasonable sound like he was listening with a glass to the door

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

maybe a stethoscope

[13:17:26]

oobe:

some apps you need sound so having that feature was handy back then

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sphery:

Oops. Just realized we're not supposed to use computers today. http://www.notechday.org/ + http://www.notechday.org/what_is_no_tech_day/

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Beirdo:

sorry, then I can't go to their stupid website to read why I shouldn't be going to their stupid website ;)

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sphery:

heh

[13:28:53]

Beirdo:

we need a "no bleeding hearts" day

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Beirdo:

and yah, I can go without tech... it's called camping :)

[13:30:18]

Beirdo:

they should add cars to that list of banned tech

[13:30:20]

Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

just call it Amish Day

[13:31:07]

Beirdo:

hehe, or post-EMP Day :)

[13:31:17]

Beirdo:

kaPOW.... no tech now!

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sphery:

but if they call it post-EMP day, someone may think they're asking him to set off a nice EMP the day before...

[13:32:45]

Beirdo:

hmmmm, true

[13:32:50]

Beirdo:

that might not be good

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Beirdo:

yay, enforced no tech day

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oops

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sphery:

though it would probably get more of us to follow the no tech day thing

[13:33:29]

Beirdo:

I bet it would... for a few years

[13:33:39]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

imagine the silence :)

[13:34:11]

sphery:

a world without tweets

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Beirdo:

http://www.notechday.org/win_an_ipad/

[13:34:24]

sphery:

(except from birds in trees)

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Beirdo:

OK, that's just retarded

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AndyCap:

no tech -> win an ipad? O_o

[13:34:51]

Beirdo:

yeah, isn't that great? :)

[13:35:08]

AndyCap:

of course ipads are magic

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oobe:

if i randomly typed one sentence every single hour of every single day with no apparent meaning or relevence i wonder if i would beat justinh on the mythtv-users stats page http://jmeyer.us/stats/

[13:35:50]

AndyCap:

meh, sod that, I'm in a country where people have a perverse lust to have a no-tech week every easter

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Beirdo:

dsfasdfthey must be

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oobe:

some how i doubt it

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Beirdo:

wth...

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AndyCap:

going off to some snowed in cabin in the mountains with no electricty or running water.

[13:36:38]

sphery:

you're also supposed to talk about your experience without tech--in your blogs, web sites, video or photo diaries...

[13:36:38]

Beirdo:

sorry, my stupid connection barfed

[13:36:44]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

make a video about not using video cameras

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Beirdo:

ummmm

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sphery:

oobe: seems I need to get something better to do

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Beirdo:

clever talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 705 times!

[13:37:53]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

and speak shorter sentences

[13:37:57]

oobe:

why is that sphery

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sphery:

er, speak short

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sphery:

looking at that stats page

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i'll try to avoid using enter as punctuation when posible

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oobe:

you are in top 10 but still 2/3 less than the number one

[13:38:44]

Beirdo:

I intend to put similar stats capability into MythLogBot

[13:38:49]

Beirdo:

just haven't gotten there

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sphery:

instead you're working on stuff for MythTV?

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sphery:

priorities!

[13:39:11]

Beirdo:

Beirdo can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 48 times.

[13:39:14]

Beirdo:

hahaah

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

!trout kormoc

[13:39:20]

** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[13:39:26]

Beirdo:

there. 49 times

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sphery:

we should get the trout in the top 10

[13:39:54]

oobe:

im surprised im even in the top 50 someone once critisized me for idleing here and not speaking

[13:39:56]

sphery:

Nice opers here, no one got kicked!

[13:40:03]

oobe:

but that is what its like somtimes

[13:40:04]

Beirdo:

I'll have to put into my stats how many times people were trouted

[13:40:16]

Beirdo:

no one got kicked while jams was looking, maybe

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sphery:

that was "today" I think

[13:40:40]

oobe:

maybe its a monthly thing

[13:40:46]

Beirdo:

oooh

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sphery:

Justinh always lets us know what he/she's doing: 8267 actions! followed by Also, kormoc tells us what's up with 7420 actions.

[13:40:55]

Beirdo:

well, there was kicking yesterday

[13:41:05]

sphery:

clever talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 705 times!

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sphery:

that page is pretty hilarious

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sphery:

jams: love the stats page

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Beirdo:

yeah, I have other priorities... mythtv... moving... :)

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|chiz|_:

do anyone know a good page where that can help me figure out how to setup the open source ati driver to give me tear free playback in mplayer?

[13:47:59]

Beirdo:

ummm.

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Beirdo:

www.google.com?

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Beirdo:

we don't support mplayer here, really

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Beirdo:

oobe: I idled for years...

[13:50:18]

oobe:

i know

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oobe:

i actually noticed that

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Beirdo:

and so help me God, I will pass mchou :)

[13:52:21]

Beirdo:

now, justinh... he just never shuts up, it seems :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

So: http://metrics.admob.com/2010/03/february-201 . . . rics-report/ says, "Smartphones accounted for 48% of AdMob's worldwide traffic, up from 35% in February 2009, fueled by heavy application usage on iPhone and Android devices." Does that mean people are using the web on smartphones almost as much as on computers or that smartphones are lacking good ad-blocking capabilities.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it means that almost all "free" or 0.99 iPhone ads include admobs ads

[13:53:42]

Beirdo:

and there's nothing the lusers can do about it

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

big win for admob :)

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Beirdo:

big loss for iPhone users

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Beirdo:

meh :)

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Beirdo:

eek. need to charge mine... again

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Beirdo:

little battery-sucker

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oobe:

anyone know how to make mythnetvision use a proxy

[13:57:09]

oobe:

i tried using http_proxy= env from the same shell frontend runs on

[13:57:11]

Beirdo:

oooh, now there's a good question

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Beirdo:

it might not even support it... iamlindoro might know

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gbee:

afaik it _should_ use http_proxy, QT used to

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Beirdo:

well, the scripts are python, etc, no?

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Beirdo:

they may not

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gbee:

if it doesn't, then there's no specific support for proxies currently coded in

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gbee:

Beirdo: ah, that's true

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Beirdo:

I know my new yr.no scraper in perl will use the proxy from the env.

[13:58:48]

oobe:

its not a big deal

[13:58:57]

Beirdo:

but not sure everybody has added that support, it should be added though

[13:59:16]

oobe:

i setup huludesktop but havent added it to this box yet cause im having trouble with the remote

[13:59:25]

RDV_Linux:

oobe: I wrote most of the MNV grabbers and there is no specific logic for proxies.

[13:59:26]

oobe:

i read a thread where other ppl have some problem

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Beirdo:

for some reason, I'm in the mood for some Beastie Boys

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oobe:

oh ok RDV_Linux

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oobe:

i only tested using RSS feed

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Beirdo:

RDV_Linux: sorry, I forgot, you worked the scripts :)

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oobe:

i havent had a good go at it yet

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Beirdo:

is it hard to add proxy support? not having read the scripts yet...

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: This is the first time anyone mentioned they were having an issue

[14:00:41]

Beirdo:

not many people use proxies much :)

[14:00:55]

oobe:

as i said i only added an rss feed in the rss section

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oobe:

so im just learning

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sphery:

except to circumvent area restrictions on services?

[14:01:12]

oobe:

i havent had a chance to try much yet

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Beirdo:

sphery: nah, usually enforced by an ISP

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RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: I have not any idea as I have not looked into what it would take.

[14:01:26]

Beirdo:

or local squid cache

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sphery:

yeah, not saying it's the only reason

[14:01:39]

Beirdo:

RDV_Linux: K. :)

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Beirdo:

I know with LWP::UserAgent in perl it's dead easy

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Beirdo:

just adding $ua->env_proxy;

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Beirdo:

:)

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: THe RSS feeds are all controlled by the MNV plugin. Try one of the searches or tree view to see if the python grabbers have the same issue.

[14:03:12]

RDV_Linux:

The new grabbers I am writing based on a different technology has proxy support built in

[14:03:13]

oobe:

unless the content is restricted to US or UK customers i would have no way of knowing

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oobe:

like if the proxy doesnt work but the content is not restricted to australia then i wouldnt know it doesnt work

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: There are two levels of test. First does a search return any data for something on Youtube like the search term music. Second does MythBrowser play anything that is returned.

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oobe:

ok one sec

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: When it comes to the RSS feeds iamlindoro is the expert.

[14:07:13]

oobe:

how do i send my search term

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oobe:

when i press enter it brings up the virtual keyboard

[14:08:27]

oobe:

no im not getting search results

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oobe:

could be cause i havent setup sources yet

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: THe search grabbers are automatically detected.

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|chiz|_:

Beirdo: It doesn't have to be mplayer, if you know of a place which describes how to make sure you'll get tear free playback in mythtv that will work too

[14:10:05]

RDV_Linux:

oobe: You should try running a search grabber from a terminal session. Like ./youtube.py -S "music"

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Pastebin that output if any.

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Beirdo:

|chiz|_: it may be on the mythtv wiki

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oobe:

ok i will

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oobe:

here http://pastebin.ca/1853880

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oobe:

it appears to have errors

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oobe:

i may not have correct python bindings

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oobe:

sorry if this is already documented

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|chiz|_:

ok

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: No this does not seem like a bindings issue, The URL in the error message does work on my machine. Click out the URL and try in a regular browser. This may be the proxy issue you mentioned.

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oobe:

ok awesome i cleared the proxy

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oobe:

and it appears to work from shell

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oobe:

let me try in myth

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oobe:

yea works fine now

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oobe:

guess i will have to get my remote to work with huludesktop and use mythnetvision for all else

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: So I just want to make sure. The issue was on your side and the python grabbers work with a local proxy?

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oobe:

yes it was after i set the proxy env var

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oobe:

after i cleared it it worked fine

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oobe:

when i use that same env var with hulu desktop it works fine i can watch hulu videos so i assumed it would work the same with mythfrontend

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Great at least I will know for the future plus no new coding for me;)

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oobe:

cool

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Please send me a PM on what you set and the steps you followed to make things work. I will add this to the MNV wiki. Also mention the specific proxy software and version.

[14:32:02]

oobe:

in specific regaurds to using proxies

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RDV_Linux:

yes

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oobe:

as i said i havent got proxy support working at the moment with mythnetvision

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oobe:

it seems necessary for mtv but for the others its seems that its all area restriction free

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Sorry totally misunderstood. I thought you got the MNV search working now.

[14:33:23]

oobe:

but adding an rss feed to hulu then using the http_proxy variable didnt work

[14:33:35]

oobe:

however running huludesktop from same variable works fine

[14:35:03]

RDV_Linux:

oobe: I will admit that I do not understand the comment "mtv but for the others its seems that its all area restriction free". Does any grabbers in MNV work for you?

[14:35:23]

jpabq:

Amazon's price on the HD-PVR jumps around often, but it is currently only $201, if anyone cares: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018LX0DY/r . . . TVPDKIKX0DER

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oobe:

RDV_Linux, yes they all work fine you did a great job sorry for the confusion

[14:36:29]

oobe:

what i mean is MTV is restricted to certain countrys

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oobe:

if i use my real ip they say im not aloud to view in my area

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oobe:

i dont see it being a huge problem

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Beirdo:

just wonderful...

[14:38:17]

Beirdo:

my left ankle is killing me today.

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: OK thanks for the clarification and yes MTV is restrictive. I am in Canada and it was hell writing that grabber. The only reason you can see any of the videos is that they messed up in their RSS feeds which often do not have the country restrictions.

[14:38:50]

oobe:

oh ok

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Beirdo:

shhh. Don't tell them :)

[14:39:12]

oobe:

i recently setup a small hack for hulu it works great

[14:39:42]

Beirdo:

umm, that's kinda not kosher to be discussing though :)

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oobe:

but i think i will use only legal content with mythnetvision

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: So it is hit and miss. I have written a few other grabbers and need others to test so that I know they work.

[14:40:02]

Beirdo:

attaboy :)

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oobe:

yes Beirdo i am aware was trying not to push it am not asking for support in that area here

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Beirdo:

:)

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RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: I am using purely MTVs legal API this is their own issue.

[14:40:58]

Beirdo:

proxy support has legitimate uses :)

[14:41:24]

oobe:

like making caches on your lan

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know, but Hulu not in the US... not really in the ToS last I heard

[14:41:30]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

which is an excellent thing to do, BTW

[14:42:15]

Beirdo:

saves a lot of bandwidth if you tend to be on the same sites a lot

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RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: Hulu supports RSS search and feeds. As long as the link you provide is to their full web page you meet TOS.

[14:43:22]

Beirdo:

OK, just be careful :)

[14:43:28]

Beirdo:

which I'm sure you are

[14:44:09]

Beirdo:

ahhh, Beatles playing from iTunes (spit!)

[14:44:53]

RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: np. As I am writing for MNV all my stuff must meet TOS. I wanted to write a grabber for the Canadian Hulu equivalent but the TOS blocks that.

[14:45:05]

Beirdo:

jerks

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Beirdo:

:)

[14:46:21]

Beirdo:

hmm, what to do with my yr.no scraper...

[14:46:33]

Beirdo:

let me go read THEIR TOS again

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RDV_Linux:

Beirdo: It is crazy as they original had that they would allow it and I wrote them suggesting they use open standards and pointed to Youtubes API. Recently I went back and found they only allow external links to their main web page.

[14:47:04]

Beirdo:

I'm thinking on the 18h screen to linear interpolate between their 6h forecasts to get 3h "forecasts"

[14:47:34]

Beirdo:

just gotta make sure I am allowed to do that :)

[14:49:27]

Beirdo:

BLAH

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Beirdo:

You may not alter the meteorlogical data.

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Beirdo:

I guess that precludes THAT

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** kormoc looks for a barber shop **

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Beirdo:

hehe

[14:52:08]

Beirdo:

hmm, they do give a link to "hour by hour"

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kormoc:

I just hate it when they expect me to pay full men's hair cut price ($12+) for a 1/2" buzz

[14:54:14]

Beirdo:

any Norwegians on right now?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: do it yerself :)

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Beirdo:

I buzz my own head

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Beirdo:

not to 1/2" though. to about 1mm

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kormoc:

typically I do, but it's all packed up somewhere

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Beirdo:

ahhh, I can sympathize there

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

highzeth: you in?

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oobe:

RDV_Linux, i just updated the feeds for browse internet video and they all filled except for joost

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highzeth:

Standing out in the chilly rainy winds, cloudy weather today, but decent temps. Should clear up the coming days, back to you Beirdo

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Beirdo:

hehe

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Try running "./joost.py -T" from a terminal and pastebin the results.

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Beirdo:

I was wondering if the original TOS from yr.no for the free data preclude me from using the hourly forecast link

[14:58:35]

Beirdo:

it seems like they only want me to use the XML file

[14:58:45]

Beirdo:

although it LINKS to the hourly

[14:59:17]

Beirdo:

but it's likely to be easier to know from the Norwegian original :)

[14:59:39]

highzeth:

hmm I have not read their TOS, got a direct link so I can skim through?

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Beirdo:

http://www.yr.no/verdata/1.3321307

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highzeth:

;)

[15:01:18]

highzeth:

they just have to use nynorsk in the TOS instead of bokmål, just to make it even more annoying

[15:01:29]

Beirdo:

hehe

[15:01:38]

Beirdo:

sorry, it's all greek to me ;)

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oobe:

RDV_Linux, http://pastebin.com/9jvNV7Nr pastebin.ca was being slow

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highzeth:

its not greek to me, but Ive hated nynorsk since it was forced upon us by the morons in charge

[15:02:45]

Beirdo:

it seems like the contents of the XML file are all I can use

[15:02:46]

RDV_Linux:

oobe: Looking now

[15:03:15]

oobe:

so RDV_Linux can i make a cronjob to update my feeds with the -T option for all grabbers

[15:03:32]

oobe:

or does it need to be run from within myth

[15:04:19]

RDV_Linux:

oobe: A 24 hour auto update is already built into MNV for tree views. Check the subscription menu

[15:05:01]

highzeth:

you can use the XML file(s), be it hourly, weekend, forecast etc, if you do, they appreciate a link back to said pages

[15:05:16]

oobe:

oh cool

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: As for your pastebin I will need to check locally to see if I have the same issue.

[15:05:23]

Beirdo:

well, only the main forecast file is actually XML

[15:05:27]

Beirdo:

the others are HTML

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oobe:

ok

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highzeth:

you can also use radar images of/from Norway, but *not* from scandinavia

[15:05:38]

Beirdo:

that's why I'm getting confused

[15:06:03]

highzeth:

you can also use the stats, hot/cold/rain data

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Beirdo:

OK.

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: I get the same joost error so this is not your issue. I will need to investigate.

[15:07:11]

Beirdo:

for instance, the link for the hourbyhour is like:

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Beirdo:

http://www.yr.no/place/United_States/Washingt . . . by_hour.html

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oobe:

ok just thought i would let you know

[15:07:52]

Beirdo:

and I love that graph, BTW

[15:07:55]

Beirdo:

it's sweet

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highzeth:

actually, they claim all points/places do offer XML data, add /varsel.xml (nynorsk/bokmål) or /forecast.xml (english) to the URLs

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

but that doesn't have hourly :)

[15:08:42]

Beirdo:

I have used that data for the 3-day and 6-day :)

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highzeth:

http://www.yr.no/place/United_States/Washingt . . . forecast.xml then =)

[15:08:55]

highzeth:

oh ok

[15:09:04]

Beirdo:

yup, that link I got is from inside the XML file

[15:09:45]

highzeth:

ahh but the hour_by_hour.html is not avail in xml?

[15:09:53]

Beirdo:

correct :(

[15:09:58]

highzeth:

gotcha

[15:10:04]

Beirdo:

so for an 18h, I can only get 3 data points

[15:10:11]

Beirdo:

and mythweather wants 6

[15:10:27]

Beirdo:

so I think I may actually do it as 36h

[15:10:45]

Beirdo:

i.e. 6 data points at 6h intervals... as that free data we have

[15:11:25]

Beirdo:

it's either that or just not bother at all

[15:12:30]

Beirdo:

thanks for helping me confirm that :)

[15:12:58]

Beirdo:

they don't give high/low forecasts either. hehe

[15:12:58]

highzeth:

You could send them an "official" req via email. Or if you want, I could be a middleman. It never hurts to ask =)

[15:13:16]

Beirdo:

true, we could ask to be sure

[15:13:34]

Beirdo:

someone who speaks the language might be a good idea ;)

[15:14:04]

Beirdo:

the data in the hour by hour page would work well for the 18h page in mythweb

[15:14:12]

highzeth:

Well, they do speak english Im sure ;)

[15:14:31]

Beirdo:

I think they'd be more receptive to someone in-country though

[15:14:41]

Beirdo:

being government-related :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, I think I'll go start packing some stuff

[15:15:46]

Beirdo:

it won't pack itself, unfortunately

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highzeth:

reading their english info, especially the last part, I agree

[15:17:07]

highzeth:

email me what you spesifically need, and I'll forward the req in native lingo if you want. pm ok?

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Beirdo:

sure

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mnm_:

Question: Why is lircd unable to open my ir device 'pci-0000:00:1d.7-event-ir' ?

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mnm_:

Question: Why is lircd unable to open my ir device 'pci-0000:00:1d.7-event-ir' ?

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sphery:

Any MediaWiki gurus here? What's with the keywords at the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging ? Do they do anything for us or is there a better way to have them (for Google, for example) without just having a random list of words showing at the bottom of the page?

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tank-man:

remember 'metadata' inside html code? its like that, probably does nothing if the same text is in the page

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sphery:

so it's not a wiki thing?

[16:27:26]

sphery:

seems the only wiki-related references I could find to keywords were something that required editing the PHP behind the wiki

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sphery:

or installing some metadata plugin

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tank-man:

its a search engine thing

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sphery:

would be nice if we could add SEO-type stuff to the page without it showing... :(

[16:28:34]

tank-man:

seo?

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tank-man:

search engine optimization

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gbee:

Google insist that SEO techniques like inserting keywords don't work with their algorithm

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sphery:

right

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tank-man:

yea, theres hidden html ... <meta name="keywords" content="hot, girls, naked" />

[16:30:23]

tank-man:

i see the same "keywords" spam on craigslist ads, that is the worst

[16:30:33]

sphery:

maybe it's mediawiki search optimization so to speak

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gbee:

and I can't possibly see how that little bit at the end of the page achieves anything considering that those words appear in the body of the page anyway

[16:30:53]

sphery:

because the person who added it to that page always thinks of different words when looking for it?

[16:31:19]

sphery:

well, all but tracepoint appear :)

[16:31:32]

sphery:

I'll just remove the section

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gbee:

already gone

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sphery:

oh, thx

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sphery:

I think the page is much easier to use, now

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sphery:

fixed header levels so it's not 1. <the page> and 1.xxx for everything under it

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tank-man:

offtopic: "Ubuntu Will Switch To Base-10 File Size Units In Future Release"

[16:33:31]

sphery:

and move the core files thing to the end (because a lot of users seemed to read the source-based, then core, then stop reading and make a backtrace from a core without ever reading/installing package-based debug symbols

[16:34:08]

sphery:

tank-man: you mean they'll actually report MB when they say MB?

[16:34:10]

sphery:

how novel

[16:34:23]

tank-man:

just more confusion

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sphery:

(though--as I don't use SUSE, so I can't say for sure--not necessarily Novell)

[16:34:48]

tank-man:

they areadly created different prefixes to use Mibi or whatever

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sphery:

MiB

[16:35:10]

sphery:

it's not just for Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, anymore

[16:35:36]

sphery:

So, MiB and GiB would cover both genders...

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sphery:

I'm a big fan of actually telling users what they have... I.e. if they have 1,048,576 bytes, say they have 1.049MB or 1MiB.

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gbee:

ugh, just discovered that the encryption on my wireless keyboard isn't enabled by default, and can in fact only be enabled using windows only software/drivers ... FAIL

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sphery:

if it's a Microsoft keyboard, no worries

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sphery:

the encryption is useless

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gbee:

of course now I have a dilemma, I don't really want to throw away the hardware and what exactly would I buy in it's place?

[16:47:18]

sphery:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/26/open_ . . . ess_sniffer/

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gbee:

sphery: no, it's not MS xor crap

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sphery:

is it Logitech?

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gbee:

it's a logitech which has AES

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sphery:

didn't know that's only available on Win

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gbee:

yeah, it's not clear in any of their documentation, or promotional stuff

[16:48:17]

sphery:

I only have one wireless keyboard (a Logitech) and use it only on my MythTV frontend--and /never/ type passwords with it.

[16:48:58]

gbee:

this is my primary keyboard, the one I'm typing on right now, so I'm not too happy

[16:49:27]

sphery:

Yeah, I specifically buy wired because I don't trust any encryption tech that I can't verify.

[16:49:43]

sphery:

(not to say I have verified any--just that if it's closed, I won't trust it)

[16:50:09]

gbee:

aside from buying a lot of chicken wire and turning this room into a faraday cage, going back to wired seems like my only option :(

[16:50:33]

sphery:

Wired is nice. The only down side is the, er, wire.

[16:51:37]

gbee:

in my current setup, that wire is a pretty big downside, gives me no flexibility

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gbee:

*sigh*

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kormoc:

if you turn it on in windows, does it persist to other systems or is it once per boot or what not

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gbee:

kormoc: can't find any information on that, but it's not like I have any windows machines handy anyway

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gbee:

the suggestion is that once enabled it remains enabled, with the keys being stored in non-volatile memory

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** janneg suspects that the driver does AES decryption **

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gbee:

but there is no clear and firm answer in anything I've read

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sphery:

the windows driver package for the logitech keyboards/mice is huge

[16:59:04]

sphery:

lots of room for "advanced" features

[17:02:30]

janneg:

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Keyboard-Hardwa . . . n/m-p/268009

[17:02:35]

kormoc:

janneg: nah, if that was the case, you wouldn't be able to use the keyboard in the bios or what not after it's enabled

[17:03:02]

janneg:

suggest that the encryption setting sticks

[17:04:01]

janneg:

kormoc: the keyboard could enable on driver load and disable on unload

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kormoc:

true

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janneg:

but that requires that the pc is always shutdown correctly, i.e. unlikely for windows

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artus36:

Hi all

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bobboau:

is anyone awake in here?

[17:42:53]

** wagnerrp has been asleep 478hrs **

[17:43:34]

bobboau:

oh, you were here last night, hi

[17:44:17]

wagnerrp:

auto-response would have been much quicker anyway...

[17:45:40]

bobboau:

I spent about 10 hours working on getting my HVR-1600 working and I think I've managed to get the driver in place, cause I can view a stream from video0 using mplayer, but I can't get myth setup (I can't get anything else like tvtime to work either)

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wagnerrp:

once you get the device nodes in place and working, mythtv is easy

[17:46:28]

wagnerrp:

just add the card as an mpeg encoder

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bobboau:

I seem to get stuck when I try to scan chanels, myth will do about 10 of them then lock up

[17:46:43]

wagnerrp:

add a source identified as 'analog cable' or something

[17:46:52]

wagnerrp:

and then pull a lineup from your schedules direct account

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wagnerrp:

analog scanning does not work in 0.22, and you shouldnt be doing it anyway

[17:47:33]

bobboau:

oh, well, that would explain that

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bobboau:

schedules direct is a pay service is it not, isn't there a free alternative?

[17:49:00]

wagnerrp:

free and legal? no

[17:49:28]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, all the XMLTV providers in the state pull data they are not allowed access to

[17:49:57]

Beirdo:

and really.. $20/yr

[17:50:04]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo++

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bobboau:

it might not be a lot but I don't like spreding my credit card number around the world more than I have to

[17:51:13]

wagnerrp:

so switch to a credit card that lets you spawn off one-time-use numbers

[17:51:29]

bobboau:

and besides I thought everything linux would be free, or at least have a free alternative somewhere

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Beirdo:

was your hardware free?

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Beirdo:

or cable TV?

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wagnerrp:

your time?

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Beirdo:

the reason Schedules Direct isn't free is because the DATA isn't free, basically

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wagnerrp:

which is why the scrapers are not legally using the data

[17:53:20]

bobboau:

well as you said, my cable isn't free, so arent I paying for the data already?

[17:53:25]

wagnerrp:

one pulls off microsoft's feed, which is only allowed for users running MCE

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Beirdo:

nope

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wagnerrp:

another pulls off some website, which is only licensed for users manually searching their webpage (and reading their ads)

[17:53:47]

Beirdo:

you are paying for the delivery of the shows

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bobboau:

my cable box has the information, so it's getting transmitted to me

[17:54:32]

wagnerrp:

you are paying for the guide data as though their STB middleware

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wagnerrp:

if you want to develop the hardware to access those OOB frequencies, and reverse engineer the protocol to capture that data, feel free

[17:55:23]

Beirdo:

but don't be surprised if your cable co disconnects you for it ;)

[17:55:42]

wagnerrp:

just because you paid for it in one place, doesnt make it right to access the data somewhere else

[17:56:17]

Beirdo:

yeah, like just because you paid to see a movie in the theater doesn't mean you're entitled to the DVD for free

[17:56:18]

bobboau:

couldn't one argue i'm paying for delivery of the shows through there hardware and everything to do with this is juat the same as pulling the lineup?

[17:56:18]

wagnerrp:

thats like saying some show was broadcast over the airwaves, so its alright for me to download it online

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Beirdo:

or because you read the New York Times online for free (or cost), you can just take one from the nearest newsstand as you already paid for the content

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Beirdo:

it just doesn't work that way :)

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Beirdo:

otherwise the TV Guide in the supermarket should be free

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wagnerrp:

you have access to that data as provided through the cable-co's mechanism

[17:58:18]

wagnerrp:

not through some 3rd party's servers and bandwidth

[17:58:42]

wagnerrp:

if you can make the cable-co's mechanism work, great

[17:59:07]

wagnerrp:

but they have no intention of letting you use your subscription outside of a cable box rental

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

anyways :)

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bobboau:

yeah, but I am haveing the tvguied transmitted to me right now, if you want to just say it's technicaly to dificult for an implementation to be made, thats fine, but it sounds like you are makeing the arguement that I shouldn't e be able to access that outside the cable hardware

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wagnerrp:

were saying if you can figure out how to access that feed without breaking encryption, it would be an acceptable use

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Beirdo:

I'm sure that the TOS of the cable provider says otherwise too

[18:00:52]

Beirdo:

that's between you and the cable co and the federal govt :)

[18:01:19]

Beirdo:

meanwhile :) $20/year for legal access shouldn't be that bad

[18:01:34]

bjd:

cheap as chips

[18:01:49]

Beirdo:

most of us spend more than that a WEEK at Starbucks

[18:03:50]

wagnerrp:

come on... a gmail users isnt setting in-reply-to properly?

[18:04:42]

Beirdo:

bobboau: and SD uses paypal, which I would not be surprised if you use already

[18:04:55]

Beirdo:

or Google Checkout

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wagnerrp:

hahaha.... 'i fixed the problem by editing the data base using mysql-query-browser'

[18:08:10]

wagnerrp:

i can imagine that line giving sphery a small aneurysm

[18:08:46]

** jamesd_ wonders why people still bitch about a $20 a year service... you can probably collect $20 in allumium cans in a day in your neigbhorhood... possibly in your house after a big party, and you are done with the year, it plain just works... add $50-$100 for a digital tv tuner and you can say good riddance to your cable company and save $50-$150 a year... **

[18:09:11]

Beirdo:

?

[18:09:14]

Beirdo:

how so?

[18:09:22]

Beirdo:

you mean OTA?

[18:09:38]

Beirdo:

many people aren't going to get the channels they want OTA

[18:09:51]

wagnerrp:

$50-$150 yr? i dont know where youre getting those insanely cheap cable rates

[18:10:26]

Beirdo:

yeah

[18:10:27]

Beirdo:

that too

[18:10:35]

Beirdo:

$50–150/month

[18:11:14]

jamesd_:

er i meant month

[18:11:46]

sphery:

wagnerrp: leox/ hg xdw

[18:11:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I mean, "Yeah, it did"

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bobboau:

my irc client exploded and wouldn't restart for some reason

[18:13:15]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:13:42]

sphery:

jamesd_: I agree that choosing to forego cable TV channels and use OTA only can save a fortune.

[18:13:50]

Beirdo:

OK, enough packing for the moment

[18:14:02]

Beirdo:

sphery: IF you get the content you want of course :)

[18:14:07]

sphery:

but it's the choice to do without the (not worth the money) cable channels that saves the money

[18:14:23]

Beirdo:

and you likely may not even need SD then, as there's usually EIT

[18:14:36]

sphery:

Beirdo: or if you feel that the content on cable isn't worth the cost and choose to do without it

[18:14:40]

jamesd_:

sphery, i dont see much reason to get cable, when you can probably find 90% of the cable content if you look for it on line.

[18:14:43]

Beirdo:

aye, true

[18:14:44]

sphery:

(or, in my case, to buy what you do want on DVD)

[18:15:11]

bobboau:

anyway, I haven't even gotten myth to work yet, is there a way to move forward and deal with this issue later?

[18:15:12]

** Beirdo gives the parrot on jamesd_'s shoulder the evil eye **

[18:15:16]

wagnerrp:

i have an old database... No, you are running an old backend... no, i haz an old database, im gonna update manually

[18:15:27]

sphery:

jamesd_: likely a much smaller percentage when you do it legally

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that tard?

[18:15:36]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:15:36]

sphery:

but Hulu, et. al, may have some of it

[18:15:41]

wagnerrp:

you try to make these clear error messages, like 'you are running an old backend protocol'

[18:15:55]

wagnerrp:

but no, they have to disregard them and do their own breaking of things

[18:16:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and I'd bet money that it wasn't the DB edit that "fixed" it, but the restart he did after editing the DB

[18:16:23]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: let him bust his setup, you already told him the solution :)

[18:16:27]

sphery:

i.e. he installed a package and never restarted mbe

[18:16:44]

wagnerrp:

but what did he edit?

[18:16:58]

sphery:

good question--since proto isn't in the DB

[18:17:01]

Beirdo:

and if he followed the upgrade instructions and did a db backup first, it's all recoverable

[18:17:11]

sphery:

I'd bet he edited DB schema version

[18:17:17]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:17:27]

Beirdo:

oh that's gonna fail miserably :)

[18:17:40]

jamesd_:

sphery, true but i am amazed at how much my local pbs channels and other tv stations are putting OTA, i have 5 pbs video channels, 4 more that are audio mostly channels, and 8x more channels that are old movies and old tv shows that give me a lot to record and watch on demand...

[18:17:54]

wagnerrp:

but how did he even know to look for the word schema when it was telling him protocol?

[18:17:54]

sphery:

MythTV should be more resilient... After I randomly changed data in the database, it doesn't work!

[18:18:06]

sphery:

the magic of google

[18:18:15]

Beirdo:

jamesd_: yeah, if you're OK with the quality and quantity of programming OTA, you're set :)

[18:18:15]

sphery:

and all the other people who post bad advice out there?

[18:18:28]

bobboau:

so what's going on?

[18:18:55]

** Beirdo is relaxing, listening to some GNR **

[18:19:16]

wagnerrp:

GNR? playing fallout?

[18:19:22]

sphery:

jamesd_: yeah, I watch OTA almost exclusively. The (encoding) quality is better than most cable/satellite services provide. The programming quality, however, some would claim is inferior

[18:19:23]

jamesd_:

Beirdo, i would like more... but i like the money in my wallet, and thankfully my son works for blockbuster, so i get 10x dvd/games free per week so that keeps the family pretty content with tv options

[18:19:34]

sphery:

Though, I like the type of content on OTA

[18:19:38]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: just listening to some iTunes :)

[18:19:53]

Beirdo:

jamesd_: that's a nice setup then

[18:19:59]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, id say 90% of the stuff i record is over OTA

[18:20:21]

Beirdo:

I'll see once I move... and buy new tuners :)

[18:20:29]

sphery:

if I had cable, I'd be right around the same (maybe higher for OTA)

[18:20:50]

sphery:

which is why I've found OTA + buying seasons of cable shows I want on DVD is much cheaper

[18:21:44]

sphery:

and that way, I get the DVD extras, too :)

[18:21:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:22:01]

Beirdo:

and no commercials to cut

[18:22:10]

sphery:

The tough ones are when I end up buying things like Defying Gravity on DVD because evil ABC decided not to air the last 5 episodes.

[18:22:12]

jamesd_:

it amazes me that sometime at least in the start of new tv seasons, i have to switch back to the TV's built in tv tunner as the mythbackend's two tuners are busy recording... pretty rare but has happened.

[18:22:38]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:22:43]

gbee:

sphery: where did that end over there? I'm not sure if the BBC showed the entire thing either

[18:22:47]

Beirdo:

just watch recordings from last week :)

[18:23:13]

jamesd_:

Beirdo, well there was actually a show i wanted to watch that wasn't being recorded.

[18:23:20]

sphery:

gbee: episode 8. 9 in some areas of the world outside the US. I think only Canada got all 13.

[18:23:53]

sphery:

8 was actually a good stopping point for the show--airing 9 would have been bad since it opens up a whole new direction for the show (which didn't really get resolved until 13)

[18:24:08]

Beirdo:

jamesd_: ahh, need more tuners :)

[18:24:38]

jamesd_:

Beirdo, yeah... but its not a common enough occurance to worry about... 2 is enough...

[18:24:48]

sphery:

Beirdo: but MythTV should be able to record everything I want with a single analog tuner--and giving me 10min overlap on start and end

[18:24:49]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:24:52]

sphery:

I read it on the -users list

[18:25:12]

Beirdo:

some people are such tards

[18:25:21]

sphery:

I have 4 physical tuners for OTA only

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sphery:

so I may actually enjoy OTA more than even jamesd_ :)

[18:25:50]

Beirdo:

I'd probably use about 4, but it will depend on what I can get OTA

[18:26:01]

bobboau:

alright, so no one answered me, is it possible to proceed without getting an account at SD, just to make sure everything works first?

[18:26:02]

Beirdo:

and likely 2–4 on cable/satellite too

[18:26:15]

jamesd_:

sphery, well it turns out that i am not the biggest user, my wife is.. and she gets hooked on shows.. i like the geek aspects.. and i have two other kids at home that watch stuff as well

[18:26:33]

Beirdo:

bobboau: you can just get an SD account, and it has a 7-day free trial IIRC

[18:26:59]

Beirdo:

"everything" won't work without scheduling info

[18:27:01]

sphery:

yes, "first week is free"

[18:27:05]

sphery:

then you're addicted!

[18:27:20]

Beirdo:

just like the drug dealers

[18:27:26]

sphery:

but it's an inexpensive addiction, compared to most

[18:27:34]

Beirdo:

yup

[18:27:44]

sphery:

you'll actually get 2 weeks of data each day for one week

[18:28:07]

Beirdo:

yes, :)

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jamesd_:

yeap and then before you know it, you get the email saying your SD account is about to expire.. and you think about giving it up for about 1/1000th of a second and go renew it relises it was pointless to consider

[18:28:09]

sphery:

so if you're beyond cheap, you can actually stretch that one week free trial to about 20 days without missing anything

[18:28:12]

bobboau:

well at this point I don

[18:28:27]

bobboau:

't care if 'everything' works, I just want 'something' to work

[18:28:30]

sphery:

except the updates for the last 2 weeks--schedule changes, etc

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sphery:

(as most everything >1wk from today is just a dream)

[18:29:46]

sphery:

bobboau: try the 1wk free trial

[18:29:52]

sphery:

otherwise, you're not seeing what Myth is about

[18:30:07]

bobboau:

if I could start up myth and see a bunch of unnamed chanels and could see what was playing on them I'd be a hell of a lot more tempted

[18:31:05]

bobboau:

I'd rather not spend four weeks fighting with this while my subscription ran out

[18:31:11]

jamesd_:

i think you can scan channels on your tuner without tuner info, but picking stuff to record and watch is a bit more work

[18:31:34]

bobboau:

that's fine I just want it to work at all

[18:31:41]

bobboau:

at this point

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sphery:

bobboau: if you do it right--use Mythbuntu or MythDora or LinHES and a useful capture card--it won't take anywhere near a week to set up

[18:32:18]

bobboau:

well aparently I'm doing it wrong

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sphery:

useful capture card means an analog encoder card (PVR-150 or PVR-500 for standard-def or HD-PVR for high-def) or a digital capture card for OTA digital

[18:32:45]

sphery:

bobboau: well, without Schedules Direct, you are doing it wrong :)

[18:32:46]

bobboau:

I have a hvr-1600

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sphery:

HVR-1600 is good on both counts

[18:33:09]

sphery:

analog encoder for standard def and digital tuner for digital

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sphery:

what distro?

[18:34:01]

** jamesd_ wonders why oh why did they stop making the kworld 115, its an awesome card... does all i need it to do and was pretty painless to setup **

[18:34:07]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the problem is simply that he has no channels

[18:34:15]

bobboau:

mint 8, which is based on ubuntu 9.10

[18:34:27]

sphery:

I'd recommend switching to Mythbuntu.

[18:34:38]

sphery:

Mythbuntu is Ubuntu already configured for MythTV

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_: didnt the 115 not support QAM?

[18:35:05]

bobboau:

I use this computer for other things than just watching tv

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sphery:

if you use plain Ubuntu (or some derivative), you have to reconfigure the distro to work properly with MythTV--which is a /huge/ challenge for someone just starting with MythTV

[18:35:24]

jamesd_:

wagnerrp, not sure it does OTA just fine for me...

[18:36:38]

wagnerrp:

22048... isnt that before 0.22?

[18:36:39]

bobboau:

how huge? installing myth has already installed mysql and all of it's dependencies

[18:36:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, before 0.22

[18:37:14]

wagnerrp:

thats a bad paulh... :P

[18:37:37]

sphery:

bobboau: it's figuring out things like "PulseAudio doesn't work with MythTV", then figuring out how to reconfigure audio on your system, etc. that's the challenge

[18:39:52]

sphery:

"The gdb.txt is *edited* — I cut out about 65M of data" ????

[18:39:52]

bobboau:

my plan was to use this computer as a test before I set up a full blown backend server, I don't want to repurpose my primary desktop just for a test run

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sphery:

how?

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sphery:

As George would say, "Yes, [you]'ve gotta have...faith!"

[18:43:11]

sphery:

anyway, it's possible to make it seem like it works, but if you don't sign up for the SD free trial, you'll have to learn things than many long-time users of MythTV don't know. And, if you don't use a MythTV-centric distro, you'll have to learn how to reconfigure your distro to make it work with MythTV (which involves a lot of learning about both MythTV and the distro).

[18:43:38]

sphery:

and, no matter what, you'll likely have to reconfigure the system you're using for the test run pretty dramatically

[18:44:11]

sphery:

"make it seem like it works" means "get video output without having scheduling data"

[18:44:25]

sphery:

IMHO, it's not worth it.

[18:44:38]

sphery:

You'd be better served just finding another HDD and installing Mythbuntu

[18:45:08]

sphery:

(or, I don't know if this is possible or not because of the backend, but perhaps just booting a Mythbuntu LiveCD)

[18:48:16]

bobboau:

I think I'm going to work on just getting tvtime working first

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sphery:

that's a great way to test your capture card and to see what channels you can get with it

[18:52:29]

sphery:

(on the tuner side of it, that is)

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Coded1:

I'm using mythtv from the ubuntu repos 0.22 and nettv v7. I have 2 questions. 1) I added the TedTalks RSS feed from the wiki page and it downloads fine but always tries to transcode the files giving the message "Files in format avc1 do need transcoding" is there anyway to play the files with out having to transcode them? 2) after I installed mythnettv ubuntu starts to kick in the screen saver after 10 mins, is

[19:34:27]

Coded1:

there again a way to stop that from happening?

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Coded1:

the screen saver kicks in while watching movies in mythfrontend

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mrand:

kiddo appears to have locked up the frontend within mythmusic. Is there a "best" way to insure I get a core dump? Seems like most of the times when I've experimented with kill -{3,11,5} I never get a core dump.

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wagnerrp:

looks like a -6, or -ABRT

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mrand:

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

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wagnerrp:

http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/281/

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[Peter]:

unless you have a good ulimit you won't get one anyway

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they mention that on the page

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wagnerrp:

'ulimit -c unlimited'

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[Peter]:

ubuntu defaults to a maximum size of 0 :)

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[Peter]:

wagnerrp: yep, but it's a bit too late for a already running process

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wagnerrp:

can you dump a core file through GDB?

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mrand:

since the process is running, maybe I can attach to it and guarantee a core dump?

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wagnerrp:

well.. you could at least get a backtrace

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wagnerrp:

which is probably what youre really after anyway

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mrand:

yeah, that's actually all we truely care about

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mrand:

jinks ;-)

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gbee:

you can attach gdb to a running process and obtain a backtrace directly

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mrand:

I already had ulimit unlimited, BTW.

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Coded1:

I guess the most important question is how do I disable the screensaver while video is playing? I googled around but it seems they just recommend to disable the screen saver entirely but since I'm on a plasma tv I'm worried about burnin

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xris:

looks like mythfrontend is trying to talk ipv6 to mythlcdserver, which isn't. config option or bug?

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Beirdo:

interesting

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Beirdo:

need longer naps

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Beirdo:

heh

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gbee:

xris: probably a bug

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** Beirdo cues some House Of Pain **

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Beirdo:

ahh, first year university music :)

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wagnerrp:

well now you have to throw your hands up, and jump towards the ceiling

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Beirdo:

jump around... jump around...

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Beirdo:

"Irish" rap ;)

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wagnerrp:

irish?

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Beirdo:

one of the three was Latvian, apparently

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wagnerrp:

thats not irish

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Beirdo:

House of Pain was 3 "Irish-Americans"

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Beirdo:

yeah, white rappers :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Eminem was definitely not the first

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Beirdo:

heck, Beastie Boys... :)

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wagnerrp:

i did realize everlast was part of that

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wagnerrp:

yeah... beastie boys were around in the 80s

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wagnerrp:

and apparently theyll still be doing concerts in the year 3000

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

up there on stage rapping in walkers soon enough

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Rigor_M:

Hi, i'm trying to use vdpau on 0.22 version but I get image gitter (vdpau normal profile) but not when using the HiDef sampling, anyone have pointers on what to look for ?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: cant find a copy of the episode im looking for online

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wagnerrp:

9th episode of futurama

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

they go to Madison Cube Gardens

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wagnerrp:

and watch the beastie boys in concert

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wagnerrp:

who are now just a bunch of heads in a jar

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Beirdo:

Ahhh, Futurama

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wagnerrp:

and they get stage hands in blacked out suits to pick up their head jars and dance for them

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wagnerrp:

apparently they were busting mad rhymes with an 80% success rate, that qualifies as Ill

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Beirdo:

hehe

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: first season eps, 9, ~1min in, classic

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hell is other robots?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: not sure if that counts as season one or two, the dvd's were a little unclear

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: thats the one

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wagnerrp:

dvd and air order is the same for that episode

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AndyCap:

please stop sinning while I'm singing

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xris:

gbee: looks like it may be something odd with my setup. any program attempting to connect to "localhost" goes to ::1 instead of 127.0.0.1.. if I remove the ::1 entry from /etc/hosts things work fine

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AndyCap:

xris: what? don't you support ipv6? :P

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wagnerrp:

well that was unfortunate

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wagnerrp:

ive got an old server that i was going to have handle various tasks, and build stuff for my laptop... but it keeps crashing

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wagnerrp:

i decide to take it apart, re-seat stuff, apply new grease since its probably never been done and is still using the original manufacturer crap

[21:30:42]

wagnerrp:

i _touch_ the heatsink, and the retention clamp snaps off

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wagnerrp:

lousy aged plastic

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gbee:

:/

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wagnerrp:

on a side note, i didnt know they ever made P3s with heat spreaders

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Beirdo:

yikes

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wagnerrp:

all the P3s ive seen before were bare cores

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wagnerrp:

this is actually the first time ive opened this thing up after getting it second hand several years back

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FreakWent:

working p3s are very rare, at least in australia

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FreakWent:

so many of them had dodgy electrolyte in the caps, and the swelled and leaked

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wagnerrp:

no visible signs of swelling or leakage

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FreakWent:

if yours is still running, it's unaffected.

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FreakWent:

all you need is a new plastic part from ebay...

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FreakWent:

gotta ask... what's your time worth?

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wagnerrp:

no, swiped a clip from another machine collecting dust in the closet

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

use the junk pile for something useful

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FreakWent:

:)

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wagnerrp:

its actually a higher end server board (from last decade)

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Beirdo:

Hehe

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wagnerrp:

has some fancy external power filter board

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FreakWent:

the fequency in the myuthconverg db has been altered up by 625 MHz, but the tuning problem remains .... /cry

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Beirdo:

The boneyard

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wagnerrp:

i should swipe new fans while im at it these are loud as hell

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FreakWent:

nope

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FreakWent:

just dodgy up a molex plug extender

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FreakWent:

run 5v instead of 12v to the fans

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FreakWent:

and keep an eye on the CPU load :)

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Beirdo:

bah

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wagnerrp:

screw that, ive got a bit 120mm here i can strap overtop the two CPUs

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

now we're talkin

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FreakWent:

man, you haven't *lived* until you've tried the wet paper towel between the heatsink fins cooling method.

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FreakWent:

what's appropriate for hardware testing? I can't get kaffeine to work, I'm trying to double-check that this is a mythtv problem....

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wagnerrp:

what hardware do you have?

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FreakWent:

dvico dual digital 4

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FreakWent:

rev 1

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FreakWent:

http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/

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FreakWent:

kaffeine annoys me

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FreakWent:

I learned German, so it should be spelt IEne

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wagnerrp:

there are always exceptions, but if its listed as functional by linuxtv.org, it should work under mythtv

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FreakWent:

oh yeah

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FreakWent:

I 've had it running on VLC, I'm sure

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FreakWent:

but that's a PITA to setup

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FreakWent:

everyone says kaffeine is fine

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FreakWent:

but all the scan/channels controls are disabled...

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv? or kaffeine?

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FreakWent:

kaff

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FreakWent:

I'm looking for any software other than myth I can use to isolate the problem

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wagnerrp:

well that was an ugly fan mount...

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FreakWent:

did it work?

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FreakWent:

and does it still?

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wagnerrp:

well its in there stabily

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FreakWent:

good!

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wagnerrp:

and will easily pump out more than these dinky 40mm fans it replaced

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wagnerrp:

ended up having to strap it to the PSU

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FreakWent:

any tips for simple easy dtv software?

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wagnerrp:

lucky me... most of the noise was actually from the PSU

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FreakWent:

ah

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FreakWent:

they don't need fans

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FreakWent:

pull it out.

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FreakWent:

:) :)

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it would be too happy about that

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wagnerrp:

its the kind that never turns off

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FreakWent:

burn down your house

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FreakWent:

a lot depends onthe PS. I've got some that are stable like that, but it always a bit weird

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wagnerrp:

in standby, and even shutdown, that fan just keep going

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FreakWent:

wow

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wagnerrp:

granted... at a much reduced speed

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oobe:

anyone know if stream under mythcontrols is meant to control mythnetvision

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wagnerrp:

stream?

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oobe:

yes

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FreakWent:

right.

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FreakWent:

VLC can tune these channels perfectly

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FreakWent:

this is a mythtv problerm.

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wagnerrp:

as in a jumppoint?

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FreakWent:

hm....

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oobe:

no there is a whole section there

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oobe:

im wondering if its stuff left behind in my db from when i had mythstream installed

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: I do not think so but iamlindoro is the proper person to answer your question. On a different topic it looks like Joost has removed their API. If we do not find out soon what they are up to then Joost will be removed.

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

there site doesnt look very inviting

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iamlindoro:

MythNetvision doesn't register any jumppoints, so Stream isn't MNV

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oobe:

http://www.joost.com/

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oobe:

ok thanks RDV_Linux iamlindoro

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oobe:

must be stuff left in db from having mythstream installed

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iamlindoro:

well, it registered jumppoints, but not keybindings

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oobe:

i havent had it installed since .21

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oobe:

anyway great work guys i love the plugin

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen such a cramped power supply before

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wagnerrp:

ive got to take the whole thing apart to even get at the fan

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oobe:

try fitting one in your pocket

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FreakWent:

hrm

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FreakWent:

anyone know how to use dvbstream? http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html < — out of date.

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wagnerrp:

putty the front bay covers on helped some, but not much

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FreakWent:

god this is a PITA.

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FreakWent:

okay

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FreakWent:

let's start again

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FreakWent:

Hey everyone! : How do I import a known good channels.conf into mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

last i heard, the channels.conf import option had issues

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wagnerrp:

but it does exist

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wagnerrp:

one of the channel scan options to just import a file

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FreakWent:

"terrific"

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FreakWent:

brb

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if it was the PSU that was actually overheating and power cycling

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wagnerrp:

or at least getting too hot, resulting in power levels beyond the spec the motherboard would allow

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FreakWent:

did it shut off or reboot?

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wagnerrp:

reboot

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wagnerrp:

but i did blow a crapload of dust out of the PSU when i opened it up

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FreakWent:

PSU *usually* shut down more than reboot

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FreakWent:

if that helps...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats why i said giving bad power to the motherboard, causing the board to initiate a reboot

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wagnerrp:

honestly... i just want something to run an HLDS server, since the last three times i tried to start it up on my main server, it rebooted

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wagnerrp:

where as a junky old diskless machine, i couldnt care less about it crashing

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FreakWent:

half life?

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wagnerrp:

a variant of it

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FreakWent:

okay. So other woftware cn tune but mythtv can't

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FreakWent:

so the problem is myth

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, my... "Since the analog channel scanner works, I should try doing things the hard way with absolutely no possibility of gain."

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wagnerrp:

sphery: getting a lot of that the last couple days

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FreakWent:

was that referenced at me?

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sphery:

I hope the guy was just trying to test it out because he's testing the RC for us, and not really trying to scan for himself

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

FreakWent: no... list

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wagnerrp:

youre doing digital, you have no choice but to use the scanner

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FreakWent:

phew

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FreakWent:

so how can I fix or troubleshoot this problem?

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sphery:

I'm starting to think that new shorter release cycle has one downside--we get the constant onslaught of "just upgraded and <whatever was changed> doesn't work"

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wagnerrp:

FreakWent: with how much trouble youre having, im wondering if the australia table in the code is just wrong

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wagnerrp:

and no one has noticed, because one one has yet tried to use a station on that channel

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wagnerrp:

theres only one aussie dev, and a handful of users (at least that hang around here)

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FreakWent:

well I don't know

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FreakWent:

I have a good channelsconf that works with other software

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FreakWent:

I know the *frequency*, in MHz, that's required

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FreakWent:

I don't know why it's so hard to manually override this stuff in myth

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know if the tuner will follow the frequency in the database, even if it doesnt match that in the frequency table?

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oobe:

sphery, i have had no problems with .23

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nope... MythTV always uses the frequency in the transmitted tables for digital

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FreakWent:

wagnerrp I do not understand the question. The freq in multiplex_dtv has been altered, but the problem remains

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sphery:

for analog, you can specify a frequency directly with the offset, but for digital, it's impossible--you have to get your broadcaster to fix their broken stream

[23:03:17]

oobe:

.22 took a bit of getting used to .21 had less features but nothing was broken and .23 just smoothed over the bumps in .22 and broke nothing by adding the new features

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FreakWent:

Where I can I view the " frequency table"

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FreakWent:

sphery I don't think this is the broadcaster's faulty

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, but for digital, it would be frequency information in the stream

[23:04:02]

FreakWent:

It *might* be that the card can't manage offsets properly.

[23:04:09]

FreakWent:

I've discused this with the author of the driver

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sphery:

the only time the frequency table comes into play is during scanning

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FreakWent:

and he says the fix is just to tune directly to the offset — that's what set top boxes do anyway, he reckons

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wagnerrp:

so he should be able to adjust the frequency in the database, after the channel is scanned

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wagnerrp:

and have it work

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sphery:

so for the initial scan, you can do a full scan--using the frequency table--or you can scan a specific transport (or something like that), which allows you to specify a single frequency

[23:05:08]

sphery:

it pulls the frequency from the stream on each channel tune

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sphery:

(unless you're using Quick Tune, then it uses some remembered info)

[23:05:46]

sphery:

I haven't read all of scrollback, so I'm not sure what the problem is, but it sounds like he just needs to get a good channel scan

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sphery:

which may involve specifying a starting frequency (or whatever the words are--I've never done that since my scans always work using the frequency table)

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wagnerrp:

basically, when he scanned, the frequency was some 625kHz off where 'scan' found it

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FreakWent:

poking around, I see that the 'transport' is now set to the correct 625 freq

[23:07:18]

FreakWent:

the full scans always find the channel

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FreakWent:

trying to watch tv gives

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FreakWent:

(LMs)

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markl_:

how can i tell what mythtv is doing with this 24 bit audio? is there a conversion process that it uses?

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FreakWent:

so we think doing a full scan with 'australia' might be using a dodgy nation info?

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FreakWent:

right

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FreakWent:

//www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/2007-01/msg00464.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/mythtv . . . sg00464.html

[23:15:18]

FreakWent:

dropped the tables and rescanning

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wagnerrp:

dropped the tables?

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FreakWent:

ooops

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wagnerrp:

like you did a 'drop table <whatever>'?

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FreakWent:

cleared the tables (trunc)

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wagnerrp:

ah... ok

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FreakWent:

the scan using the channels.conf found 0 ABC channels.

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FreakWent:

next step

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JohnP789:

My HD Homerun recordings have occasional glitches, especially on my weakest ATSC station.

[23:19:24]

JohnP789:

Any way to get MythArchive to keep going after encountering a glitch?

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FreakWent:

I mena, look at thsi?

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FreakWent:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVICO-Ultraview_Install_in_Australia

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JohnP789:

It seems to quit at the first glitch in each show.

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FreakWent:

how much more detailed and helpful can it be?

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FreakWent:

except — *it's all out of date*

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FreakWent:

the links are all dead

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FreakWent:

manually specified freq for tuned scan

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FreakWent:

channels found & added

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FreakWent:

mythfilled

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FreakWent:

backend on

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FreakWent:

still no good

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FreakWent:

freq in dtv_multiplex contains 205625000

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FreakWent:

why won't the damn thing tune?

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