| Friday, March 26th, 2010, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:47] | Laeborg: | Do I need to forward other ports than port 80, if I want to connect outside my network? |
| [00:02:04] | wagnerrp: | to mythweb? no... 80 is all you need |
| [00:02:14] | Laeborg: | Okay :) |
| [00:02:15] | wagnerrp: | or technically, whatever port you have apache set to listen on |
| [00:02:23] | Laeborg: | Thank you, for your help! :) |
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| [00:18:17] | Saviq: | damn does mythnetvision copy the whole site structure? it takes ages... |
| [00:18:28] | wagnerrp: | for some, yes |
| [00:19:05] | Saviq: | ok, searching it is, then |
| [00:19:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it will take a LONG time |
| [00:19:31] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: There is the option to have the treeview grabbers run every 24 hours automatically. I is a menu option. |
| [00:19:49] | RDV_Linux: | s/I is/It is/ |
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| [00:20:37] | QbY: | without using mythtranscode.. is it possible to have myth record my shows direct to a format that i can play virtually everyhwere (by everywhere i mean one of my pc's (linux, mac, or windows) or xbox360) |
| [00:20:52] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Treeviews need to do retrieve many RSS feeds and Web pages to make a single View. |
| [00:21:27] | wagnerrp: | the recommended tuner cards (mpeg encoders or digital tuners) will record to either mpeg2 or h.264 in an mpeg container |
| [00:21:38] | wagnerrp: | they should be readily playable on any modern operating system |
| [00:21:52] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yeah I understand, btw is mythbrowser gecko-based? |
| [00:21:55] | wagnerrp: | however your xbox360 is rather finicky |
| [00:22:18] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: No Webkit |
| [00:22:28] | wagnerrp: | unwilling to play 'standard' content, instead wanting it in microsoft's own (slightly modified mpeg2) container |
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| [00:23:12] | wagnerrp: | if you use framegrabbers, or use mythtranscode for anything but lossless clipping, you will result in nupplevideo files |
| [00:23:20] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: good, it will support html soon... I _hate_ flash for hijacking every event possible |
| [00:23:21] | wagnerrp: | which dont have much playability outside of mythtv |
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| [00:23:31] | Saviq: | apart from hating it just for the laughs of it... |
| [00:23:59] | Saviq: | s/html/html5/ |
| [00:24:52] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: The flash focus issue is a pain but it is certainly not just with MythBrowser. After a while you get used to it. See the wiki for suggestions. |
| [00:25:07] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yeah I know it's generic |
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| [00:37:36] | QbY: | i guess i'm looking for a simple solution to rpelace my comcast dvr |
| [00:37:49] | QbY: | tired of moving dvrs around because i want to watch in a room other than the one i recorded in |
| [00:38:16] | wagnerrp: | QbY: the best option to do that is to set up one central backend, and put a frontend on each TV |
| [00:38:40] | wagnerrp: | you can get by with something as small as a ION system for a frontend |
| [00:39:25] | wagnerrp: | say... ~$200 for board, case, memory, IR receiver |
| [00:39:27] | QbY: | wagnerrp: yeah, but i figured having an xbox would be good enough |
| [00:39:58] | wagnerrp: | a playstation would do it |
| [00:40:20] | wagnerrp: | and while an xbox should be able to do it, microsoft decided that they only wanted it to work properly as a MCE externder |
| [00:40:21] | squish102: | QbY i bpought an xbox 360 hoping it would be a good myth frontend. and it sucked |
| [00:40:24] | QbY: | unfortunately, already own the xboxes |
| [00:40:42] | wagnerrp: | so they gimped the UPNP support on it |
| [00:40:50] | QbY: | squish102: i'm just looking for someting that will record into mpeg4 mpeg2 format on schedule, store it on my nas |
| [00:41:27] | squish102: | ended up putting an old machine back together.. but that also sucks |
| [00:41:50] | squish102: | now i have a big fat ugly noisy computer in my bedroom |
| [00:42:07] | clever: | i find the white noise from them makes it easyer to sleep:P |
| [00:42:22] | squish102: | haha, and the heat warms up the room |
| [00:42:43] | clever: | na, the master backend is only able to heat the closet a little |
| [00:42:51] | clever: | not enough to turn the furnace off |
| [00:43:22] | squish102: | QbY i was thinking along the same lines, but you will miss all the functionality of a myth frontend |
| [00:44:07] | QbY: | i like the front end stuff--i just want something simple i guess |
| [00:44:13] | QbY: | i'll use the front end for scheduling |
| [00:44:21] | squish102: | like nicely grouping the recordings, and being able to watch from the point you stopped. and to delete when you finished |
| [00:44:42] | QbY: | but my needs are fairly simple i thought--one central repository for my shows (my nas), playback on a variety of pcs and devices |
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| [00:46:54] | wagnerrp: | QbY: mythtv will already store in mpeg2 format, so long as you dont buy a worthless framegrabber |
| [00:47:18] | wagnerrp: | no need to schedule any sort of conversion |
| [00:47:31] | squish102: | QbY, i was thinking along those lines too. record show,strip commercials,change name to something meaningful, convert to h.264, drop in directory to be picked up by ushare (upnp) |
| [00:47:34] | QbY: | is the pinnacle 800i a worthless framegrabber? |
| [00:47:42] | wagnerrp: | for analog, yes |
| [00:47:48] | QbY: | i only have digital here |
| [00:47:52] | wagnerrp: | its perfectly fine for broadcast digital |
| [00:48:01] | wagnerrp: | and of limited use for digital cable, due to encryption |
| [00:48:18] | wagnerrp: | check the listings at silicondust.org to see what your cable provider encrypts in your area |
| [00:48:24] | QbY: | i guess before i go way down either path, i ned to verify that it will even work |
| [00:48:47] | wagnerrp: | it will work fine in linux and mythtv |
| [00:49:09] | wagnerrp: | and will record in mpeg2 (since thats what is being transmitted to it) |
| [00:49:57] | QbY: | ok, simplest method of install? |
| [00:50:08] | wagnerrp: | are you at all familiar with linux? |
| [00:50:11] | QbY: | yeah |
| [00:50:17] | wagnerrp: | what specifically? |
| [00:50:23] | QbY: | nothing dealing with graphics :) |
| [00:50:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean, what distros have you used |
| [00:50:40] | QbY: | postgresql, snmp, routin.. |
| [00:50:41] | wagnerrp: | what are you comfortable with |
| [00:50:42] | QbY: | fedora |
| [00:50:47] | wagnerrp: | then use mythdora |
| [00:50:56] | QbY: | ok, available in the repos? |
| [00:51:05] | wagnerrp: | should be a package in the repo |
| [00:51:05] | QbY: | brb.. going to the machine in question |
| [00:51:12] | wagnerrp: | or available as a customized fedora install |
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| [00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you in? |
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| [01:01:23] | Beirdo: | kinda |
| [01:01:41] | QbY: | anyone know which repo mythdora is in--or is it only livecd? |
| [01:01:42] | wagnerrp: | any idea why i wouldnt be able to draw to the bottom right corner? |
| [01:01:49] | Beirdo: | hehe, yes |
| [01:02:04] | Beirdo: | if you write to the bottom right corner, it will scroll the screen up |
| [01:02:21] | Beirdo: | I don't know why |
| [01:02:31] | Beirdo: | it's always been that way I guess |
| [01:02:54] | wagnerrp: | well this isnt of the screen, just the window |
| [01:03:01] | wagnerrp: | but its been bugging me for the past hour |
| [01:03:02] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [01:03:11] | Beirdo: | not sure, but I think it's something like that |
| [01:03:15] | wagnerrp: | i can write to the left of it, i can write above it |
| [01:03:21] | wagnerrp: | but if i try to write there, it errors |
| [01:03:27] | Beirdo: | how odd |
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| [02:23:33] | k-man: | the debian lirc packages are broken |
| [02:23:36] | k-man: | in case anyone wants to know |
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| [02:31:35] | mag0o: | yay, the scrolling fade-from-black-to-white undid the wife's mess of leaving the tv on a still frame |
| [02:31:50] | wagnerrp: | what type |
| [02:32:06] | mag0o: | plasma |
| [02:32:11] | mag0o: | of course :) |
| [02:32:24] | sphery: | I heard those are good for when playing Wii and the Wiimote gets away from you. |
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| [02:32:44] | mag0o: | don't jinx the girls |
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| [02:33:44] | sphery: | That was a reference to a link Dibblah posted about 9hrs ago: http://failblog.org/2010/03/24/tv-salesman-fail/ |
| [02:34:31] | wagnerrp: | see? look... its impervious |
| [02:35:10] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [02:35:11] | mag0o: | nice |
| [02:44:24] | k-man: | i don't think that test is valid. he should have thrown a wii controller at it |
| [02:46:20] | sphery: | good point |
| [03:00:01] | wagnerrp: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8450385.stm |
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| [03:08:24] | wagnerrp: | http://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/11000639962 |
| [03:08:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: youll like that one ^^^ |
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| [03:14:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice--and agreed! |
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| [03:25:13] | kormoc: | Server Error: 500? |
| [03:26:06] | sphery: | on the twitter one? |
| [03:26:15] | kormoc: | Yeah, a refresh fixed it tho |
| [03:26:19] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:26:32] | sphery: | glad they were able to fix twitter after you broke it |
| [03:26:45] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [03:26:50] | ** wagnerrp debates whether he should just start people who cant follow threading to stop posting to the mailing list ** | |
| [03:26:52] | kormoc: | I have those engineers running in circles |
| [03:26:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:27:10] | wagnerrp: | start telling... |
| [03:28:03] | sphery: | hmmm.... not what I expected: X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) |
| [03:28:16] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:28:29] | sphery: | someone using a Perl thing to send e-mails? |
| [03:28:32] | kormoc: | that's sorta hardcore to use raw mime tools to do your email |
| [03:28:57] | sphery: | yeah... I'm guessing maybe some webmail thing |
| [03:28:59] | wagnerrp: | nah, its his ISP's webmail |
| [03:29:07] | sphery: | or some maillist turned into forum? |
| [03:29:14] | sphery: | or that |
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| [03:29:27] | kormoc: | ugh... I need to get a haircut and a shave |
| [03:30:20] | dewman: | quick question....(hopefully) when i compare my channels that I have scanned to what is showing on schedules direct, and there is a mismatch, IE channel 1 is showing as The discovery channel but its really something else, do i need to just change the xmltvid and rerun mythfill database? |
| [03:30:36] | kormoc: | why scan at all with SD? |
| [03:30:43] | wagnerrp: | digital... |
| [03:30:48] | sphery: | hope it's digital |
| [03:31:00] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be scanning if its not digital |
| [03:31:08] | sphery: | but, yes, just change the xmltvid--and feel free to change the channel number and channel callsign, too |
| [03:31:24] | sphery: | just keep numbers and callsigns unique for any channels that aren't identical |
| [03:31:38] | dewman: | so. if its not digital how do the channels get in there? |
| [03:31:48] | wagnerrp: | pull it from SD |
| [03:31:52] | kormoc: | mythfilldatabase will pull it from SD |
| [03:31:53] | sphery: | and if it's analog, do the video sources portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [03:32:00] | wagnerrp: | theres an option to do that right from mythtv-setup |
| [03:32:05] | wagnerrp: | in the link sphery just posted |
| [03:32:24] | sphery: | that will clean up the mess that's in there and get it done right |
| [03:32:43] | sphery: | (the "If you're (a North American user) using an analog source: Do /not/ scan for channels. Instead..." |
| [03:32:58] | dewman: | Ok...I will try that now. |
| [03:44:13] | dewman: | capture card and video sources have been deleted and re-added.retrieve lineups has been run, |
| [03:46:12] | dewman: | next is to let mythfilldatabase run and in theory i should have channels? |
| [03:46:38] | sphery: | yep |
| [03:47:38] | dewman: | ok....If this works I owe someone a xmas card. =) |
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| [03:50:04] | sphery: | OK, I really want to know if NBC was careful to register and set up a website at the address Jack said he uses to get all his news on tonight's 30 Rock episode, but I'm kind of afraid to check. |
| [03:51:01] | sphery: | Registrant: General Electric Company |
| [03:51:04] | sphery: | probably a good thing |
| [03:51:51] | oobe: | what site is that |
| [03:52:12] | sphery: | Dick Cheney's website. Which provides his views. |
| [03:52:50] | sphery: | no website there, though |
| [03:53:24] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [03:53:25] | sphery: | probably the only domain name that sounds like a pr0n site that's not one |
| [03:53:35] | oobe: | i like 30 rock that is why i asked |
| [03:54:14] | sphery: | yeah, I love the show |
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| [03:56:45] | kormoc: | 30 rock is under the richter curse now :( |
| [03:58:18] | wagnerrp: | richter curse? |
| [03:58:24] | wagnerrp: | andy richter? |
| [03:58:40] | Beirdo: | I think I'm just about finished with the yr.no scraper |
| [03:58:46] | sphery: | I loved Andy Richter Controls the Universe |
| [03:59:03] | Beirdo: | just hafta update the -t list :) |
| [03:59:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: yeah, pretty much every show he does gets canceled |
| [04:00:12] | wagnerrp: | like... late night with conan o brian |
| [04:00:27] | dewman: | sphery, no channels were populated. So that means that its digital correct? |
| [04:00:30] | wagnerrp: | erm... tonight show |
| [04:00:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: http://insidetv.aol.com/2010/01/25/andy-richt . . . he-universe/ |
| [04:00:48] | sphery: | dewman: what capture card? |
| [04:00:53] | wagnerrp: | wait... what? |
| [04:00:57] | wagnerrp: | why is AOL still around |
| [04:00:59] | oobe: | he only plays a small role on 30 rock |
| [04:01:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [04:01:54] | dewman: | sphery, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AVerTV_HD_A180 |
| [04:02:08] | dewman: | it was a freebie.... |
| [04:02:10] | sphery: | dewman: that's digital |
| [04:02:14] | sphery: | so you do need to scan |
| [04:02:19] | kormoc: | sphery: I liked Andy richter controls the universe as well as Andy Barker, PI |
| [04:02:26] | sphery: | which means you should repeat the Delete all video sources stuff |
| [04:02:42] | sphery: | (no need to re-delete the capture cards--assuming you set them up as digital cards) |
| [04:03:00] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, Andy Barker, PI was great, but only like 8 episodes... :( |
| [04:03:02] | dewman: | sphery, yes its setup as a dvb card with the firmware |
| [04:03:11] | wagnerrp: | i had never eve heard of that one |
| [04:03:20] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: it's on hulu |
| [04:03:50] | sphery: | dewman: then just delete all video sources, then set the video source and input connections as digital ones |
| [04:04:04] | sphery: | (the instructions in that page for digital) |
| [04:04:23] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, 6 eps |
| [04:04:30] | sphery: | dead before its time |
| [04:04:37] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [04:05:38] | sphery: | I'm just glad that Supernatural returns tonight |
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| [04:06:00] | wagnerrp: | say what you will about hulu, at least they dont crank up the volume on their ads |
| [04:06:20] | kormoc: | well, they do a little... |
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| [04:22:23] | Beirdo: | where is likely to be foggy in the next few days? |
| [04:24:21] | Beirdo: | justinh: anywhere you can think of that might be foggy? :) |
| [04:26:16] | wagnerrp: | probably going to be foggy around here tonight |
| [04:26:39] | Beirdo: | oh? where's that (so I can see if yr.no will give me foggy) |
| [04:26:56] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [04:27:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:27:07] | Beirdo: | nvm then ;) |
| [04:27:27] | Beirdo: | I've tried Edinburgh and Glasgow and London |
| [04:27:32] | Beirdo: | rain, but not fog |
| [04:27:34] | Beirdo: | bah |
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| [04:29:07] | Beirdo: | I can test this commandline, it works... just not sure I have all the icon mapping right :) |
| [04:30:36] | Beirdo: | it is saying Seattle's altitude is 2205ft |
| [04:30:46] | Beirdo: | maximum, maybe :) min = 0 |
| [04:33:19] | wagnerrp: | Andy Barker PI is awesome |
| [04:34:01] | Beirdo: | ummm, and it says Edmonton's at 26299ft |
| [04:34:05] | Beirdo: | OK, I got a bug :) |
| [04:34:51] | ver: | if that's Edmonton's elevation, where's my nosebleed? |
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| [04:35:20] | prg3: | I think Seattle is probably a higher city then Edmonton |
| [04:35:37] | Beirdo: | OK, that's better |
| [04:35:41] | Beirdo: | no it's not |
| [04:35:48] | Beirdo: | Seattle's at sea level :) |
| [04:35:49] | sphery: | was it in centifeet? |
| [04:35:53] | Beirdo: | no... |
| [04:36:01] | Beirdo: | I did * 100 / 2.54 |
| [04:36:11] | Beirdo: | instead of * 2.54 / 100 |
| [04:36:14] | Beirdo: | ooops |
| [04:36:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:36:15] | kormoc: | funny how when you can walk into the sea that it means it's sea level |
| [04:36:31] | sphery: | question is which sea is at sea level |
| [04:36:36] | kormoc: | ooh! |
| [04:36:40] | kormoc: | that depends on the moon |
| [04:36:41] | prg3: | Beirdo: "higher", not greater altitude |
| [04:36:48] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:36:51] | Beirdo: | anyways, now it says Seattle's at 1ft |
| [04:36:52] | kormoc: | We smoke more? |
| [04:37:06] | Beirdo: | and Edmonton at 17ft? |
| [04:37:12] | wagnerrp: | how can you resist a sitcom that repeatedly shows a fat man running down the golf course |
| [04:37:13] | k-man: | sphery: good question... i think the suez has a lock on it so that implies that the oceans each side are at different levels |
| [04:37:16] | Beirdo: | wait a minute |
| [04:37:25] | Beirdo: | I'm still doing it wrong |
| [04:37:28] | kormoc: | Beirdo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton Elevation 668 m (2,192 ft) |
| [04:37:29] | Beirdo: | I need to wake up |
| [04:37:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know... gimme a moment to un-screw my head here |
| [04:37:55] | k-man: | oh no, according to wikipedia, suez contains no locks |
| [04:38:08] | kormoc: | k-man: tides change sea level all over |
| [04:38:17] | k-man: | kormoc: yeah |
| [04:38:45] | kormoc: | you're thinking the panama cannel |
| [04:38:47] | kormoc: | it has locks |
| [04:38:54] | kormoc: | but that's because the majority of it is a river |
| [04:38:58] | k-man: | kormoc: yeah, just discovered that, and yeah, there are locks |
| [04:39:07] | k-man: | kormoc: yeah, i had no idea until just now |
| [04:40:02] | k-man: | according to wikipedia, over 27000 people died in the attempts to make the panama canal |
| [04:41:12] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [04:41:14] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [04:41:22] | Beirdo: | had to write it down... |
| [04:41:42] | Beirdo: | alt in m * 100 / 2.54 / 12 |
| [04:42:16] | prg3: | You're converting it into archaeic measure? |
| [04:42:25] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [04:42:40] | Beirdo: | US users use stupid non-SI units :) |
| [04:42:51] | Beirdo: | the script does both (has to) |
| [04:42:59] | prg3: | Just use google for the conversions :) |
| [04:43:02] | Beirdo: | seattle at 184ft |
| [04:43:14] | Beirdo: | I'm not going to do that, silly |
| [04:43:58] | Beirdo: | I can believe that part of Seattle is at 184ft :) wonder if that's city hall or what |
| [04:44:11] | sphery: | http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/ + http://climate.nasa.gov/SeaLevelViewer/seaLevelViewer.cfm |
| [04:44:56] | sphery: | doesn't show the land height--just the sea height |
| [04:45:32] | sphery: | kind of makes you wonder how it does that |
| [04:46:03] | prg3: | sphery: remote sensing satellites |
| [04:46:26] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [04:46:32] | sphery: | I mean how do areas of the ocean right next to each other have multi-meter height differences |
| [04:46:41] | prg3: | Ah |
| [04:46:44] | Beirdo: | sphery: you feel like trying a mythweather grabber? |
| [04:46:50] | Beirdo: | ummm, waves? |
| [04:47:13] | Beirdo: | whale farts? :) |
| [04:47:17] | sphery: | supposedly averaged |
| [04:47:22] | sphery: | maybe the latter, though |
| [04:48:41] | sphery: | So, kormoc, here's a web site design you'll like: http://climate.nasa.gov/ (or, for full effect, go to http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/ and click on "Sea Level Viewer") |
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| [04:48:51] | sphery: | it pops up a new browser window |
| [04:48:57] | sphery: | that's smaller than the content |
| [04:49:01] | sphery: | and it disables scroll bars |
| [04:49:06] | kormoc: | oh the pain |
| [04:49:14] | Beirdo: | Go, NASA |
| [04:49:19] | sphery: | fortunately I have a 1920x1200 monitor |
| [04:49:34] | sphery: | It takes a rocket scientist... :) |
| [04:49:45] | kormoc: | well, even spots in the sound just a few miles apart can have a few inch tide difference |
| [04:49:59] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [04:50:11] | wagnerrp: | hey now... we do rocket science, not this fancy webpage woo haa |
| [04:50:14] | Beirdo: | anyways... :) |
| [04:50:40] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you wanna try the new yr.no scraper (not committed due to feature slush) |
| [04:51:00] | wagnerrp: | if you need someone to, ill be a guinea pig |
| [04:51:14] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [04:51:35] | kormoc: | Edmonds vs Seattle, 8.7 miles apart, high tide in Edmonds on April 1 is 11.3' in Seattle it's 11.8' |
| [04:51:55] | Beirdo: | sound's narrower? |
| [04:51:59] | Beirdo: | shallower? |
| [04:52:15] | kormoc: | perhaps |
| [04:52:23] | ver: | edmonton has a tide? |
| [04:52:25] | pat_: | and the earth isn't round, it is a geoid |
| [04:52:45] | pat_: | the height is relative to a made up number approximating the earth's surface |
| [04:52:48] | ver: | is that like, sylvan lake's tide? |
| [04:52:57] | kormoc: | ver: Edmonds != Edmonton |
| [04:53:10] | kormoc: | of course, that's a .0033 mm per foot difference, but it adds up |
| [04:53:14] | ver: | oh, guess i need a new font |
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| [04:57:19] | kormoc: | Is the bash guru here? I wanna know if from a bash script if I can modify the target of stdout from within the running context... |
| [04:57:36] | Beirdo: | you can |
| [04:57:48] | Beirdo: | just trying to remember how :) |
| [04:58:11] | kormoc: | ooh! it's in the man page |
| [04:58:58] | Beirdo: | somewhere |
| [04:59:51] | Beirdo: | I remember USING it before |
| [05:00:23] | kormoc: | it's under redirection |
| [05:01:45] | Beirdo: | I don't see it |
| [05:01:56] | Beirdo: | maybe I have an old man page :) |
| [05:02:13] | ver: | does it have that old man smell? |
| [05:02:16] | Beirdo: | ahhh exec |
| [05:02:19] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [05:02:25] | kormoc: | yup |
| [05:02:33] | kormoc: | funny how simple it is once you know it's there |
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| [05:07:30] | dewman: | is it generally a better idea to assign channels numbers when it says it finds conflicting channels? I know that I wont have any channels past 99. Or should I let the program pick them? |
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| [05:17:46] | sphery: | dewman: you'll likely have to go back through and figure out if they're real and if not delete them. If they are real, you can edit channel numbers then, so it doesn't matter |
| [05:17:59] | sphery: | dewman: also, if you're using Comcast and they' |
| [05:18:12] | sphery: | ve switched to SCTE65, you might want to check out scte65scan |
| [05:18:30] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan |
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| [05:28:29] | kisak: | scte65scan mapped out almost all the regular clearQAM channels except for the local HD streams and one local channel that I get, but comcast doesn't mention in any way |
| [05:30:13] | ver: | has anybody here used mythq? |
| [05:30:27] | kormoc: | can't say that I have |
| [05:30:53] | kormoc: | Don't really see the point |
| [05:31:23] | kormoc: | it's a rewrite of mythfrontend in qt... mythfrontend is written in qt already... |
| [05:31:37] | ver: | yes, but mythfrontend doesn't sit quietly in the corner like vlc does |
| [05:31:47] | kormoc: | run it in windowed mode? |
| [05:32:03] | ver: | yes, and that's how i've been using it so far, but it is an inflexible window |
| [05:32:14] | kormoc: | run it in a xnest? |
| [05:32:15] | ver: | also the navigation system it uses really isn't intended for desktop use |
| [05:32:35] | kormoc: | a fair chunk of it is mouse aware now |
| [05:32:49] | kormoc: | and by a fair chunk, pretty much everything |
| [05:33:04] | ver: | the X button doesn't close it.. |
| [05:33:37] | kormoc: | wouldn't be hard to fix |
| [05:33:47] | ver: | the screen real estate issue is |
| [05:33:53] | kormoc: | just have to trap the signal it sends and run the quit routine |
| [05:33:54] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:34:13] | kormoc: | if I wanted just a player, I'd use mythweb and vlc/media player of choise and just stream to the player |
| [05:34:42] | sphery: | pretty sure the X button works, now with the dbus shutdown stuff |
| [05:35:01] | sphery: | (ok, just guessing, but wouldn't be surprised if that's the case) |
| [05:35:49] | ver: | kormoc: the issue is kludge, and using mythfrontend is kludge, the alternatives just ADD kludge |
| [05:36:06] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [05:36:10] | ver: | why would i use a player launched from a browser launched from a webserver streaming from a transcoder from mythbackend? |
| [05:36:17] | ver: | why not just plug a player... into the backend? |
| [05:36:24] | kormoc: | we don't transcode ASX streams |
| [05:36:43] | kormoc: | or use mythlink and use a file browser to open them... |
| [05:37:09] | ver: | but with gmyth and phonon i managed to write a simple Qt client in a few hours |
| [05:37:14] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [05:37:17] | kormoc: | ooh, so you wrote it |
| [05:37:22] | ver: | no not mythq |
| [05:37:38] | ver: | but i stand by a reason for a mythtv viewer application |
| [05:37:44] | kormoc: | whatever, use whatever you want, doesn't mean that I see a need for it |
| [05:37:58] | kormoc: | mythweb asx streaming doesn't add any overhead |
| [05:38:10] | kormoc: | and doesn't tie up your browser as you seem to imply |
| [05:38:19] | kormoc: | and gives you the ability to manage all that jazz already |
| [05:38:20] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:38:41] | ver: | well, do you use an irc client, or chatzilla? |
| [05:39:00] | kormoc: | I use a irc client, just as for asx streaming, I use a media player |
| [05:39:19] | ver: | maybe, but you don't login to irc with firefox, and have it launch your client, probably |
| [05:39:34] | ver: | that's sorta my point, that seems kludgy to me |
| [05:39:36] | kormoc: | no, but I do for email and other 'desktop' apps |
| [05:39:51] | kormoc: | infact I have them as isolated browser images |
| [05:40:43] | kormoc: | it's not any kludgier then yet another player that doesn't support any of the useful features of a mythspecific player or any of the useful features of a general media player |
| [05:40:44] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:40:57] | ver: | but it does |
| [05:41:15] | kormoc: | does what? |
| [05:41:17] | ver: | it can stream livetv directly, manage recordings, schedule recordings.. browse EPG, everything the frontend can do without plugins. |
| [05:41:32] | kormoc: | everything mythweb can do... |
| [05:41:40] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:41:41] | ver: | except this can play the video |
| [05:41:46] | ver: | mythweb can't |
| [05:41:49] | kormoc: | sure it can |
| [05:42:08] | kormoc: | we have on-demand flash video playback in mythweb along side of the asx/raw |
| [05:42:18] | kormoc: | and it's trivial to add any other style streaming |
| [05:42:19] | ver: | that flash player transcodes i believe |
| [05:42:29] | ** Beirdo makes a bowl of popcorn for the show ** | |
| [05:42:31] | kormoc: | sure does |
| [05:42:41] | ver: | and the asx streams are playlists basically, not content. |
| [05:42:43] | sphery: | "everything the frontend can do without plugins"... and you'll be updating it constantly as MythTV changes |
| [05:42:49] | ver: | it requires launching an external player |
| [05:42:52] | kormoc: | but you can embed vlc/mplayer/etc just the same |
| [05:42:55] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [05:42:56] | ver: | which can't honour cutlists |
| [05:43:04] | kormoc: | sure it can |
| [05:43:09] | kormoc: | we just haven't |
| [05:43:21] | ver: | sphery: i'm using gmyth to lower the burden |
| [05:43:56] | kormoc: | another officially unsupported solution to pile onto this pile of not kludges! |
| [05:44:03] | sphery: | ah, gmyth, the "I speak protocol 8", "Sorry, mythbackend speaks protocol 54", "No problem, I can pretend to speak protocol 54--after all, who cares if I trash the data" |
| [05:44:08] | ver: | you suggest running mythfrontend in xnest.. |
| [05:44:21] | ver: | sphery: i have it up to 56 standards (svn trunk) |
| [05:44:53] | kormoc: | ver: it supports anything we say we require, regardless if it does or not |
| [05:45:10] | sphery: | yeah, claims to |
| [05:45:11] | ver: | sphery: the problems i had with that exact thing was sending ANNs with less parameters than expected causing backend to crash |
| [05:45:12] | kormoc: | and can corrupt data when they get too far behind because they decided to cheat and lie about the proto they speak |
| [05:45:37] | sphery: | and it's not updated when MythTV changes |
| [05:45:46] | ver: | sphery: no no, i mean i updated the code |
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| [05:45:59] | sphery: | and not by the people changing mythtv, so if someone doesn't notice or doesn't understand the changes to mythtv... |
| [05:46:03] | ver: | for example FileTransfer ANNs have changed since ye olde proto 36 |
| [05:46:08] | kormoc: | ver: so it's not reducing your burden to keep following myth proto |
| [05:46:09] | sphery: | data corruption... |
| [05:46:17] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:46:22] | kormoc: | whatever |
| [05:46:23] | ver: | kormoc: it is, since it is abstracted from the app |
| [05:46:36] | ver: | trouble is gmyth hasn't been maintained since 2008 |
| [05:46:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:46:50] | Beirdo: | aka, a kludge |
| [05:46:52] | ver: | so since writing the phonon myth frontend took 2 hours, i can spend 8 updating gmyth |
| [05:46:54] | sphery: | If you really have C++ and Qt skills, why not improve the client that has full support for MythTV and all its functoins |
| [05:46:58] | sphery: | why fork it? |
| [05:47:05] | ver: | i didn't fork anything.. |
| [05:47:15] | sphery: | You're creating a new mythtv frontend |
| [05:47:17] | sphery: | that's a fork |
| [05:47:28] | ver: | i'm not using any mythtv source code at all, that's hardly a fork |
| [05:47:32] | ver: | that's like calling mythweb a fork |
| [05:47:33] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [05:47:45] | sphery: | ok, it's not a fork |
| [05:47:54] | sphery: | it's just a waste of time developing a whole new client from the ground up |
| [05:48:04] | ver: | i'm using gmyth and phonon :p |
| [05:48:07] | Beirdo: | dunno why anyone would bother making another frontend |
| [05:48:10] | kormoc: | why bother giving back to the community when you can create a new community! |
| [05:48:13] | sphery: | the plan is to allow dynamic resizing of the GUI and the video playback windows |
| [05:48:19] | sphery: | we just need someone to do the work |
| [05:48:22] | sphery: | that could be you |
| [05:48:23] | kormoc: | ver: all of which are unsupported by the myth devs... |
| [05:48:27] | ver: | the only actual code i did was making a .ui, connecting slots, and creating a QIODevice for phonon with gmyth callbacks |
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| [05:48:57] | ver: | i don't understand what the panic is. it's like 50 lines of code :p |
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| [05:49:08] | sphery: | wow, if that's all it takes, we sure have a lot of wasted LOC in mythfrontend |
| [05:49:33] | kormoc: | ver: if you distribute it, it's yet another fe folks expect devs to support and we have to explain that we won't and they get upset... |
| [05:49:35] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [05:49:38] | kormoc: | whatever |
| [05:49:50] | ver: | well then i won't distribute it... |
| [05:50:00] | ver: | if it makes you feel any better |
| [05:50:05] | kormoc: | it's not panic, it's the lack of understanding why you wouldn't bother improving what we have rather then rolling your own... |
| [05:50:15] | ver: | alright hold on a second |
| [05:50:15] | sphery: | exactly |
| [05:50:24] | sphery: | the point is we could use the help |
| [05:50:43] | ver: | first of all, i've found numerous bugs in mythbackend which i've made svn patches for |
| [05:50:47] | kormoc: | I mean, think of all the backend changes, would that really have been better solved by folks just rolling their own backend rather then contributing to the existing one? |
| [05:50:58] | ver: | i have plenty more to come, and i'll make a nice compilation to submit with bug reports |
| [05:51:17] | sphery: | but still, any effort you put into your frontend is effort that you won't put into mythfrontend |
| [05:51:19] | ver: | kormoc: i wouldn't have found these bugs if i just kept using mythfrontend |
| [05:51:32] | kormoc: | so they're bugs with gmyth not speaking proper mythproto? |
| [05:51:39] | sphery: | though individual bug reports are much appreciated |
| [05:51:48] | ver: | it's a bug with the backend crashing when gmyth speaks broken protocol |
| [05:51:48] | sphery: | "grab back o' random fixes" are a huge pain |
| [05:51:55] | sphery: | s/back/bag/ |
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| [05:52:02] | ver: | sphery: can't please you can i :) |
| [05:52:13] | sphery: | that was just a request |
| [05:52:47] | ver: | yeah, for some reason i'm feeling even less inclined to spend my time helping you guys work on the frontend for some reason |
| [05:53:11] | sphery: | well, that wasn't the intention |
| [05:53:25] | ver: | well what are you saying then |
| [05:53:40] | ver: | i'm feeling as though my project offends you guys merely by existing |
| [05:53:46] | sphery: | it's just frustrating when we see someone say "mythfrontend is a kludge" and--even though they have C++/Qt skills--refuse to help with it |
| [05:53:58] | ver: | i'm telling you i don't refuse |
| [05:54:13] | ver: | but one point i'd like to reassert is that i have a different view on where mythfrontend belongs |
| [05:54:28] | ver: | i run frontend in my living room where my fancy TV is |
| [05:54:38] | ver: | and it's perfect for that job |
| [05:54:46] | sphery: | OK. If your client is such a radical departure from mythfrontend, then maybe it should be separate |
| [05:55:08] | sphery: | but I'd think that mythfrontend with dynamic resizing and a theme designed for desktop use (versus 10-foot use) would do what you want |
| [05:55:14] | ver: | but on my desktop i have X many windows already fighting for desktop real estate, i'm not running frontend in xnest and scroll around to move through a menu of 6 options which takes up 75% of my screen. |
| [05:55:38] | sphery: | thus the comment on a theme designed for the 2-foot interface |
| [05:55:39] | kormoc: | ver: menus are themes, you can customize that as much as you want already |
| [05:55:54] | sphery: | and customize the UI theme to show as many menu items as you want |
| [05:55:57] | ver: | what theme! it's written in standard qt, why not just have plain QPushButtons and QListViews |
| [05:56:07] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [05:56:11] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [05:56:35] | ver: | so you're saying i could, by theming, run mythfrontend on my desktop in the way i use VLC? |
| [05:56:38] | kormoc: | so folks can make it look as they want? layout as they want? |
| [05:56:49] | ** sphery doesn't know how you use VLC ** | |
| [05:56:49] | kormoc: | ver: with a patch to do dynamic resizing, why not? |
| [05:57:05] | kormoc: | (it'd be equivalent to your FE at least) |
| [05:57:12] | ver: | well i'd like to have it tucked in the corner with a few playback buttons and maybe a playlist-like window with my recordings in it |
| [05:57:19] | kormoc: | yes, you can do that |
| [05:58:36] | ver: | then there's the size consideration |
| [05:58:50] | kormoc: | and that's where the visual theme can be made to work for you |
| [05:59:19] | sphery: | you can use 4-pt fonts if you like--just need a UI theme for it |
| [05:59:37] | ver: | my libraries for mythfrontend, along with the binary size, seem to weigh in around 125MB |
| [05:59:48] | sphery: | and, really, a /lot/ of users would be very happy to see a 2-ft UI theme |
| [05:59:54] | ver: | (not including QT) |
| [05:59:56] | kormoc: | my frontend's menu is "Watch Recordings" "Watch Videos" "Setup" |
| [06:00:21] | kormoc: | ver: so? check how much memory it's actually using if you want to argue memory usage |
| [06:00:30] | ver: | no i mean disk space |
| [06:00:37] | Beirdo: | disk is cheap |
| [06:00:44] | ver: | i intended to use my little front end on my old EeePC 2G surf |
| [06:00:44] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:01:07] | kormoc: | so use a distro like minimyth that has it down to under 2g already? |
| [06:01:13] | Beirdo: | and 125MB will break it? |
| [06:01:16] | ver: | it is, but i don't understand why a mythfrontend with a "no theme" theme should be substantially larger than vlc to install |
| [06:01:35] | kormoc: | cause it does way more? |
| [06:01:39] | ver: | Beirdo: yeah, after eeebuntu is installed i only have around 150MB left, and i like to have vim and a toolchain installed |
| [06:01:43] | kormoc: | this isn't something anyone is going to win |
| [06:02:00] | kormoc: | this is pretty worthless for everyone involved |
| [06:02:01] | Beirdo: | so remove some junk |
| [06:02:11] | kormoc: | you made up your mind, we don't understand, that's pretty much all there is to it |
| [06:02:37] | ver: | Beirdo: if i had 125+MB for a media player, it'd be the first to go :/ |
| [06:02:55] | ver: | my frontend is 850KB unstripped |
| [06:03:04] | Beirdo: | yawn |
| [06:03:10] | Beirdo: | enjoy it then |
| [06:03:16] | ver: | alright.. |
| [06:03:28] | Beirdo: | good luck when the db changes and the protocol changes... |
| [06:03:41] | ver: | you too :) |
| [06:04:01] | Beirdo: | I won't have issues |
| [06:04:09] | Beirdo: | I use the real thing ;) |
| [06:05:43] | sphery: | My Qt4.5.3 is 830MB with 161MB examples, 154MB doc, 36MB demos, leaving about 477MB of Qt4 |
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| [06:07:17] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [06:07:22] | Beirdo: | Qt ain't small |
| [06:08:04] | pat_: | quick question. I've got 0.21 working fine and stable and never crashing, due to a hardware failure one of my frontends get changed to an ion box (and a hd tv). I'm currently SD only, will 0.22 be a stable upgrade with vdpau or is that all still not production ready? |
| [06:08:12] | ver: | Beirdo: well the frontend uses the same protocol to talk with the backend so it has to be updated with the changes too |
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| [06:08:44] | pat_: | (currently the wife approval is very high, I don't want to change that) |
| [06:09:00] | Beirdo: | ver: and it is. by the same person who updates the backend. duh |
| [06:09:32] | sphery: | pat_: VDPAU in 0.22 is supported and works well |
| [06:09:42] | ver: | Beirdo: and the changes appear on each new svn, which i update my backend to, and develop, so... |
| [06:09:52] | sphery: | pat_: the upgrade from 0.21-fixes to 0.22-fixes is either simple or the worst one you'll ever have |
| [06:09:54] | Beirdo: | meh, enjoy |
| [06:10:07] | ver: | Beirdo: again, the only changes i'll need to follow on the protocol will be updating gmyth. unless you think that's a useless cause too? |
| [06:10:14] | pat_: | sphery, so VDPAU is rock solid stable, or does it wig out occasionally? |
| [06:10:18] | sphery: | pat_: it all depends on your database and whether it's always been configured the way MythTV required (even though we didn't know we required it a specific way) |
| [06:10:27] | sphery: | I don't use VDPAU |
| [06:10:31] | Beirdo: | I think your efforts would be better used on mythtv itself |
| [06:10:32] | ver: | pat_: i've never had it fail for myself personally |
| [06:10:35] | sphery: | I've heard good things about it |
| [06:10:48] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's more up to the nvidia drivers whether it works well or not |
| [06:10:50] | ver: | Beirdo: you mean exclusively |
| [06:10:59] | sphery: | (since we just get a black box from them :) |
| [06:11:23] | pat_: | hmm, I'll build a test rig and proceed down that path |
| [06:11:26] | Beirdo: | ver: you do what you want, but you ARE reinventing the wheel. |
| [06:11:35] | sphery: | pat_: the most important thing to remember is make sure you get a good database backup before you upgrade: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [06:11:50] | ver: | Beirdo: like i say, i tied gmyth to phonon, both already written.. i don't know how i'm doing anything like that.. |
| [06:11:54] | pat_: | oh, I've got backups in place (and then some) |
| [06:11:55] | sphery: | pat_: also, I highly recommend setting the theme on all your frontends to MythCenter before upgrading |
| [06:12:16] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
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| [06:12:44] | pat_: | if it takes me a few weeks or months to get this upgrade rolled out, does that mean that there'll be a 0.23-fixes possibility of occuring? |
| [06:13:01] | pat_: | or is it distant future still? |
| [06:13:31] | sphery: | pat_: and I highly recommend reading: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405443#405443 |
| [06:13:47] | sphery: | 0.23-fixes is available, now |
| [06:13:55] | sphery: | 0.23rc1 is "out" for testing |
| [06:14:01] | pat_: | oh, |
| [06:14:04] | pat_: | there you go |
| [06:14:10] | pat_: | I might as well go the whole hog :) |
| [06:14:16] | sphery: | going direct to 0.23-fixes may be a better option--if your packager makes it available now |
| [06:14:26] | sphery: | (IMHO, 0.23rc1 is in better shape than 0.22-fixes) |
| [06:14:35] | sphery: | What distro? |
| [06:14:45] | pat_: | I'm using mythbuntu weekly builds of the -fixes branch |
| [06:14:57] | pat_: | on ubuntu 8.04 backend |
| [06:15:13] | pat_: | frontends are various |
| [06:15:22] | sphery: | great... |
| [06:15:23] | pat_: | but usually use the mythbuntu weekly packages |
| [06:15:36] | sphery: | so when you upgrade, you'll want to choose the 0.23 version, which is 0.23-fixes |
| [06:15:40] | ** wagnerrp thinks efforts would be better spent providing protocol access to mplayer or vlc, or at least more widely usable ** | |
| [06:15:55] | sphery: | and when we release the official version, you'll roll right into the one you want to run (0.23-fixes, stable release) |
| [06:16:05] | kisak: | I wish there was something newer than 23069 in gentoo's portage |
| [06:16:21] | wagnerrp: | of course either would instantly appease all the SG ISO users |
| [06:16:32] | pat_: | are there release notes for 0.23 written yet? |
| [06:16:44] | ver: | wagnerrp: they could just run mythfrontend, or mythweb ;) |
| [06:16:52] | pat_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23 |
| [06:17:25] | wagnerrp: | kisak: the existing ebuilds are just ones for which gentoo provides a mirror of the archives |
| [06:17:29] | ver: | wagnerrp: 'protocol access' would be troublesome because it would suggest installing the myth protocol library along with the libraries IT requires |
| [06:17:51] | sphery: | pat_: might want to check out the 0.22 version, too--there's a /lot/ of changes from 0.21 to 0.22 and not so much from 0.22 to 0.23 |
| [06:17:54] | wagnerrp: | they take the load, instead of dumping the load of all those users onto trac |
| [06:17:59] | ver: | wagnerrp: and at the moment i believe it is tied deep into Qt which would probably mean at least a slim Qt install would be necessary... and i don't think it slims down very well |
| [06:18:02] | sphery: | (same link, just change to 0.22) |
| [06:18:36] | pat_: | yeah, I read the 0.22 ones a while ago (when 0.22 was announced) and figured there wasn't much that directly affected me. Since I had no problems with 0.21 I figured it was best to keep it all stable. |
| [06:18:40] | wagnerrp: | ver: you can implement everything you need to in order to access files from the backend in a couple hundred lines |
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| [06:18:58] | wagnerrp: | then it just takes someone willing to maintain the code |
| [06:19:34] | pat_: | sphery: anyway, thanks. I've got a test machine to build now. |
| [06:19:47] | sphery: | good luck |
| [06:19:54] | wagnerrp: | kisak: you can just copy that file to a new one with updated revision in the name |
| [06:20:11] | sphery: | pat_: oh, and since you're a Mythbuntu user, chances are your database upgrade will go just fine--so it shouldn't be a bad upgrade |
| [06:20:11] | wagnerrp: | all processing is done from the filename, with no actual internal changes to the ebuild |
| [06:20:33] | pat_: | sphery, it'll be tested before I commit to it anyway |
| [06:20:39] | wagnerrp: | note that in doing so, you WILL incur a not-insignificant load on trac, as it has to zip up a custom repository archive |
| [06:21:12] | sphery: | pat_: though if you (or someone significant to you) are the "I don't want the user interface to ever change--I'm set in my ways" type, you may have some issues adjusting to the new UI/feel. |
| [06:21:47] | pat_: | hence I'll need to build a test system and run it in parallel for a while :-/ |
| [06:22:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is Gentoo's mirrored package an SVN working copy? (that could just be downloaded then svn up'ed?) |
| [06:22:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the ebuilds used to work that way |
| [06:22:34] | sphery: | pat_: note, also, that there's no (good) way to import recordings from one system into another |
| [06:22:43] | wagnerrp: | but they switched to pulling the zip file off trac, so they could mirror it |
| [06:22:57] | sphery: | pat_: so make sure your 0.21-fixes system does all the recording until you're ready to pull the switch and upgrade |
| [06:22:57] | wagnerrp: | rather than have each gentoo user updating off svn for every new build |
| [06:23:04] | sphery: | i.e. "There can be only one database." |
| [06:23:11] | pat_: | yup, understood |
| [06:23:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, just wondered if the zip'ed file has the .svn dirs |
| [06:23:40] | kisak: | wagnerrp: and how can I know that it's on 0.22-fixes and not 0.22 |
| [06:24:10] | wagnerrp: | kisak: gentoo does not use the release versions |
| [06:24:22] | wagnerrp: | only the -fixes branch |
| [06:24:34] | wagnerrp: | or trunk if the name includes '_alpha' |
| [06:24:38] | kisak: | ah |
| [06:24:47] | kisak: | good to know |
| [06:25:26] | ** wagnerrp finds he has no free terminals, and opens up yet another to see whats in this zip file ** | |
| [06:25:56] | kisak: | is it safe to bump one frontend to test or do I need to bump everything together |
| [06:26:12] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you remain consistent |
| [06:26:33] | wagnerrp: | but if youre probably fine so long as you remain within one protocol version and schema revision |
| [06:26:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will warn you, and refuse to do anything if youre not |
| [06:27:16] | kisak: | gotcha |
| [06:28:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, not a full subversion checkout |
| [06:29:24] | kormoc: | ver: please keep non mythtv development talk out of #mythtv |
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| [06:30:40] | sphery: | So, in my Qt, it seems there's actually 393M of debug symbols, so only 86MB (82Mib) of real Qt stuff. |
| [06:31:15] | sphery: | not that bad if you build it small |
| [06:32:24] | sphery: | I didn't expect for the debug stuff to be 82% of the total size. |
| [06:32:43] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:32:54] | Beirdo: | that's common, actually |
| [06:33:03] | sphery: | I was expecting more like 50% |
| [06:33:18] | ver: | kormoc: alrighty |
| [06:33:48] | sphery: | Annoying part is that they put the debug files in the same dirs as the binaries--would have been nicer for it to use a separate debug dir. |
| [06:34:13] | Beirdo: | that woulda been nice, ya |
| [06:35:16] | sphery: | Now I have to consider rebuilding as a debug build without -separate-debug-info, then running my own script to strip the files into a separate file and put those files into a debug directory... |
| [06:36:06] | ver: | kormoc: should i not submit these fixes to mythbackend? they are only exposed when using a different version of protocol to speak with it. |
| [06:36:29] | wagnerrp: | ver: which is not allowed to happen |
| [06:36:30] | sphery: | ver: anything that prevents a crash we want |
| [06:36:35] | kormoc: | by all means, submit them, they're just going to be lower priority then others |
| [06:36:38] | wagnerrp: | thats why the version check exists |
| [06:36:54] | wagnerrp: | there has been talk of running a fuzzer against the backend protocol to check for this sort of thing |
| [06:36:56] | sphery: | if it's just a "handle older protocols in addition to the proper protocol" type patch, it probably won't be used |
| [06:37:02] | wagnerrp: | which is basically what you ended up doing there |
| [06:37:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, we shouldn't crash because some schmuck sends bad data :) |
| [06:37:30] | wagnerrp: | fuzzer being something which intentionally sends bad data, for the purposes of testing and fixing those sorts of things |
| [06:37:44] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [06:37:48] | ver: | it's neither. it's a gmyth "i speak 56 (lol notrly)" sending FileTransfer with 3 args and the callback handler in mythbackend calling .toString methods on the 4th/5th arg causing QList assertions and backend shutdown. |
| [06:38:12] | kormoc: | yes, that should just fail with a bad call rather then crashing/shutting down |
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| [06:38:46] | ver: | well it doesn't matter, gmyth isn't supported by mythbackend at all, so it really isn't a bug as such |
| [06:39:00] | kormoc: | a non-expected shutdown is a bug... |
| [06:39:03] | Beirdo: | kormoc: bad call and disconnect the offending client :) |
| [06:39:24] | ver: | well my patch probably doesn't follow mythtv coding standards anyway, so i'll just leave it to the devs |
| [06:39:30] | sphery: | ver: this one? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7886 |
| [06:39:32] | ver: | i'm sure the bug's been reported |
| [06:40:31] | ver: | actually i should point out that mediamvp's libcmyth causes the same crash |
| [06:40:37] | sphery: | that might not have been it |
| [06:41:10] | sphery: | ah.... "So here is the list of (potential) problems I found that my patch does NOT address" |
| [06:41:16] | sphery: | where yours is included in the list |
| [06:41:19] | ver: | sphery: that is similar but vastly insufficient |
| [06:41:24] | sphery: | right |
| [06:41:40] | sphery: | he fixed the one, and listed a bunch of others with the same issue |
| [06:41:53] | sphery: | so if you have a patch for it, please submit it |
| [06:42:01] | sphery: | and feel free to reference #7886 |
| [06:42:46] | sphery: | ver: how many are there supposed to be now? |
| [06:42:48] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20297 |
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| [06:43:39] | ver: | i have 21 missing checks fixed in my patch |
| [06:43:57] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [06:44:05] | sphery: | if they're all the same type of failure, all together is fine |
| [06:44:18] | ver: | all but a NULL pbs handle check |
| [06:44:24] | sphery: | (here, same type could just be network protocol) |
| [06:44:30] | sphery: | cool |
| [06:44:35] | ver: | but i wouldn't include that in the patch anyway, since it is a sign of something broken up the call chain. |
| [06:47:51] | ver: | kormoc: sorry, i'll keep "dev" talk out of the users channel too |
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| [06:48:54] | sphery: | s/somehow the Sun rises/somehow the Oracle rises/ |
| [06:48:55] | Beirdo: | what a character |
| [06:49:01] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:49:34] | sphery: | would be nice, though, if he did do the patch for all the other failures Ron mentioned but didn't fix in #7886 |
| [06:51:27] | wagnerrp: | oracle? |
| [06:51:41] | sphery: | the company that bought Sun Microsystems |
| [06:51:48] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [06:51:53] | sphery: | (was fixing his quit message) |
| [06:52:24] | Beirdo: | somehow I doubt we will ever know |
| [06:52:39] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [06:53:31] | sphery: | he definitely didn't like that we thought starting from scratch was the wrong approach |
| [06:54:02] | Beirdo: | after he dissed the frontend |
| [06:54:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:54:37] | Beirdo: | reminds me of that internet+anonymity drawing |
| [06:54:57] | sphery: | yeah, on the bright side, someone is asleep over in GB |
| [06:55:09] | sphery: | so he didn't notice it |
| [06:55:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:55:25] | sphery: | heh, someone linked that in here a while back... you're right, though |
| [06:56:25] | Beirdo: | anyways, I wish I weren't still awake |
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| [06:56:39] | sphery: | Yeah, I shouldn't be, either |
| [06:56:55] | wagnerrp: | its only 3am |
| [06:57:02] | Beirdo: | only |
| [06:58:05] | ** wagnerrp suggests we abandon the frontend, and watch all our video as binary flowing down the screen ** | |
| [06:58:05] | sphery: | I'm only 21min into Supernatural, so I can't go to sleep, yet... |
| [06:58:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:58:29] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: that only works post-end of the world |
| [06:58:42] | wagnerrp: | im game |
| [06:58:56] | sphery: | We could just have the frontend run xscreensaver's Matrix or GLMatrix hacks (depending on video renderer) |
| [06:58:57] | kormoc: | ALL WILL DIE IN FIRE! MUHAHAHAHA |
| [06:59:17] | wagnerrp: | bring on the human powered robots, aided by... erm, fusion |
| [06:59:24] | sphery: | hey, that's what's happening on Supernatural (these last 3 episodes) |
| [06:59:38] | sphery: | the dying in a fire, not the human-powered robots |
| [06:59:58] | sphery: | what about the ATI eye's... |
| [07:00:35] | Beirdo: | night all.. gnna try to sleep |
| [07:02:21] | wagnerrp: | i should get back to these changes in the bindings, so i can commit after release |
| [07:02:32] | kormoc: | night |
| [07:03:15] | AndyCap: | Morning |
| [07:03:58] | AndyCap: | I must say that austral-asia isn't pulling their weight in here. :P |
| [07:04:28] | wagnerrp: | theres only what, half a dozen of you regularly in here? |
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| [07:08:34] | wagnerrp: | end of march, and it snowed again |
| [07:08:37] | wagnerrp: | go figure |
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| [07:08:43] | wagnerrp: | i was wearing shorts earlier this week |
| [07:11:10] | AndyCap: | Winter made a slight comeback here as well, I was hoping it would have passwd by now. |
| [07:11:40] | AndyCap: | It's on its last legs... (cue blizzard) |
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| [07:19:47] | Jester05: | hello gents |
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| [07:25:17] | Jester05: | R welcome |
| [07:25:40] | Jester05: | man i'm sitting out on the deck of a cabin in TN.. its pretty sweet |
| [07:25:46] | Jester05: | was in the hot tub till 3am lol |
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| [08:26:19] | jb_: | Hi all |
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| [08:30:05] | jb_: | is there anyway to change the color of the subtitles to a movie, I have made some MKV files from an xvid + idx + sub file to get the mythtv internal player to handel the sub file and now the sub's are yellow (with a shade) and its hard to read Id like to make them white again. when I play the file in mplayer tyhe subs are white its only in mythtv internal player its yellow ... ? |
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| [09:23:15] | ** justinh does a double take. ivtv drivers have dropped VBI data? heh ** | |
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| [09:31:54] | justinh: | lol. my 'tweet about recording' user job seems a bit slow off the mark lately |
| [09:32:17] | justinh: | "Finished recording Never Mind the Buzzcocks from BBC TWO at 2010-03–25 22:30:00" received just now |
| [09:33:41] | justinh: | I can already see that's gonna be one for the event system |
| [09:33:58] | justinh: | or maybe something monitoring the log instead |
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| [09:40:08] | justinh: | wth? inserttime is 2010-03–26 00:09:01 schedruntime is 2010-03–26 00:09:01 but statustime is 2010-03–26 09:34:02 |
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| [10:50:16] | grumpydevil: | janneg: is handling of DVB-C operators who use NIT-Other now included in the code? |
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| [10:58:56] | janneg: | I don't think so but the scanner should handle such networks better since .22 |
| [10:59:23] | grumpydevil: | ok, i've seen the .23 branch |
| [10:59:46] | grumpydevil: | will setup test system in coming week to include DVB-C and see what happens |
| [11:16:43] | justinh: | lol. which theme is better – arclight or graphite? it's hard to say as both theme developers did an amazing job on them |
| [11:16:51] | justinh: | I love forums, me |
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| [11:17:40] | lazkano: | hello |
| [11:18:23] | lazkano: | I am new on MythTV and I have some questions |
| [11:18:29] | lazkano: | can you help me? |
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| [11:19:57] | loki_666: | hi |
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| [11:20:43] | justinh: | lazkano: nobody can help you if you don't actually ask a real question ;-) |
| [11:20:46] | loki_666: | is it possible to start the frontend from mythwelcome using a joystick |
| [11:20:53] | lazkano: | ok |
| [11:21:25] | justinh: | loki_666: I presume you're asking because you're trying to & it's not working |
| [11:21:36] | lazkano: | I have a HTPC with a Nvidia ION and Intel Atom plataform. connected to my FullHD TV. |
| [11:21:52] | loki_666: | justinh: yep i didnt find any doc on this |
| [11:21:52] | lazkano: | I want to plug an SAT receiver: TeVii S660 DVB-S2 USB: http://www.tevii.com/Products_S660_1.asp |
| [11:22:11] | loki_666: | maybe because it's not possible |
| [11:22:13] | lazkano: | and watch SAT HD channels on my TV and on my room TV |
| [11:22:13] | loki_666: | ? |
| [11:22:16] | lazkano: | is possible? |
| [11:22:48] | justinh: | loki_666: mythfrontend can be controlled with a joystick so I don't see why mythwelcome can't be. is your joystick working with mythfrontend? |
| [11:23:13] | justinh: | lazkano: if the USB tuner is supported on linux, yes |
| [11:23:15] | lazkano: | In my room I have an othe HD TV, I need some special PC, or just with an other Nvidia IOn is enougt? |
| [11:23:44] | justinh: | but an ion system for a mythtv backend will be awful IMHO |
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| [11:23:51] | loki_666: | justinh: yup working fine in mythfrontend |
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| [11:24:29] | justinh: | loki_666: then it should work just fine in mythwelcome I guess. But I'd not be surprised if joystick support was forgotten about., Yet another reason not to like mythwelcome |
| [11:25:09] | loki_666: | mythwelcome is great for backend+frontend single setup |
| [11:25:16] | lazkano: | So, which hardware I need for the backend? |
| [11:25:24] | justinh: | I've seen it. mythwelcome is not great |
| [11:25:25] | loki_666: | allowing auto shutdown when recording is done |
| [11:25:51] | justinh: | lazkano: if you don't plan to do any commercial flagging or transcoding the ion system might be ok |
| [11:26:11] | loki_666: | justinh: if you have an alternative solution for auto shutdown I'm listending |
| [11:27:01] | justinh: | auto shutdown won't work if mythfrontend is running? :-O |
| [11:27:45] | loki_666: | no it doesnt |
| [11:28:27] | justinh: | it might not be hard to add joystick support into mythwelcome, but it'd be better if it was properly integrated in mythfrontend |
| [11:29:21] | justinh: | and using a *joystick* to control mythtv anyway? lol |
| [11:29:24] | lazkano: | Thanks justinh, so, with my ION+TeviiS660 is well to backend-fronted |
| [11:29:24] | lazkano: | Thanks for all!!! |
| [11:29:45] | justinh: | lazkano: I said IF the USB tuner works in linux. I won't be betting my house on that |
| [11:29:48] | gbee: | one of my monitors was found dead this morning, it's like having to work without my right arm |
| [11:30:33] | loki_666: | justinh: i was using the pvr-150 remote but it was slow on reaction has hell (yet the lircd process received the button press immedialty) so i switched to a wireless joystick |
| [11:30:58] | loki_666: | now i'm not using the pvr-150 (switched to dvb-c) |
| [11:31:02] | justinh: | loki_666: it'd be easier to find out wth was up with the remote |
| [11:31:42] | justinh: | gbee: oof. on the plus side you'll be able to get a better monitor for less than you paid for the last one :) |
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| [11:32:32] | justinh: | bet you can buy an MCE remote kit for less than a wireless joystick :) |
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| [11:35:57] | justinh: | oh dear. seems that usb dvb-s2 tuner has a linux driver alright. binary blob, probably not even GPL. in a RAR file? MEH |
| [11:37:51] | [Peter]: | usb dvb-s2? |
| [11:38:08] | justinh: | myers |
| [11:38:11] | [Peter]: | crazy stuff |
| [11:38:27] | justinh: | it's a USB box |
| [11:38:35] | justinh: | not a stick. probably wise |
| [11:39:56] | [Peter]: | I guess USB 2.0 has enough bandwidth to handle that easily but it still sounds crazy :) |
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| [11:58:24] | justinh: | blimey. the driver download's got source code in it & they provide the firmware |
| [11:59:05] | lyricnz: | Anyone recommend the safest/easiest way to get four DVB tuners that work in .au? |
| [11:59:15] | justinh: | ruh? and COPYING says Mauro wrote the driver |
| [11:59:34] | lyricnz: | I have two Dvico Dual Digital 4, but they're slightly different firmwares etc, so I can't get them both working at the same time (fsckit) |
| [11:59:42] | justinh: | lyricnz: 1. don't loop the tuners' RF connections together. Use a powered splitter/distribution amp – for one |
| [11:59:51] | justinh: | oops |
| [11:59:53] | lyricnz: | Yeah yeah, I'm talking about which devices |
| [12:00:18] | lyricnz: | I'm using a powered/amped distribution system (whole house) with lots of signal :) |
| [12:00:31] | justinh: | both need firmware with the same filename but it's a different actual file? |
| [12:00:56] | justinh: | I can't imagine there being a problem otherwise |
| [12:00:58] | lyricnz: | I think so – although the cards have same "name", they're difference device ids etc |
| [12:01:24] | justinh: | hmmm. that's gonna need driver massaging |
| [12:01:25] | lyricnz: | COuld be user error of course, quite likely |
| [12:01:33] | lyricnz: | One of them just fails to initialise properly when the other is connected |
| [12:01:38] | lyricnz: | Works fine on its own IIRC |
| [12:01:48] | justinh: | no joy in #linuxtv ? |
| [12:01:58] | lyricnz: | hence looking for an alternative recommendation – for four tuner solution |
| [12:02:16] | ** lyricnz doesn't know enough to really explain the problem properly :) ** | |
| [12:02:40] | lyricnz: | mkrufky used to help me out, though |
| [12:02:49] | lyricnz: | before I got the second tuner, ages ago |
| [12:04:03] | lyricnz: | I kindof suspect I've got to do some tuner nonsense too – one set of channels don't work/record, though works fine on dvb tell |
| [12:04:06] | lyricnz: | y |
| [12:04:13] | lyricnz: | some stupid nonsense with .au dvb |
| [12:04:53] | justinh: | that's possibly a local repeater not reporting its frequency properly so the wrong freq. is stored in the db |
| [12:05:03] | lyricnz: | greeeeat |
| [12:05:04] | justinh: | seen mzb report that |
| [12:05:57] | justinh: | I can't remember if the myth scanner uses info from the broadcast tables or the tuning result. I think it believes the broadcast info though, as per spec |
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| [12:13:10] | gbee: | the tables |
| [12:13:21] | gbee: | we stupidly trust they contain the correct info |
| [12:13:59] | justinh: | I wouldn't say stupidly |
| [12:14:03] | justinh: | maybe naively |
| [12:14:18] | gbee: | nevermind that when they do that's the right thing to do, since you may pick up an echo on another freq, or be a few mhz off optimal |
| [12:14:52] | gbee: | justinh: I was being sarcastic, or something |
| [12:15:08] | justinh: | I can understand why it's that way on some relays. saves them remodulating a new signal with the right info |
| [12:15:23] | justinh: | much cheaper just to fly the signal on a new frequency |
| [12:15:56] | justinh: | I've lost all faith in specs & 'standards' |
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| [12:16:25] | gbee: | justinh: strangely enough though, the DVB spec thought of that and has a table for the alternate frequencies, though I guess we can't be using that even if the .au stream contains the information |
| [12:16:44] | justinh: | the driver code for our stuff here at work follows spec for sata etc, and we've come a cropper loads of times |
| [12:17:13] | justinh: | gbee: I wouldn't be surprised if the .au stream doesn't contain the info |
| [12:17:44] | justinh: | or if it does, that it's wrong |
| [12:18:40] | ** lyricnz finds the official reference for broadcast frequencies – tries to reconcile this with the myth db ** | |
| [12:18:48] | justinh: | historically if anything dvb-wise has gone pear-shaped in mythtv when has it ever been mythtv's fault? there's always some weird kink a broadcaster has used |
| [12:19:54] | justinh: | maybe there's been one or two exceptions like split NIT, but generally it's something the broadcaster is doing different |
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| [12:22:29] | lyricnz: | what is freqid in channel table? is there some convention about frequency naming, that depends on region etc? |
| [12:22:56] | justinh: | freqid, for dvb channels is generally just a number |
| [12:23:17] | justinh: | generally the LCN (logical channel number) AFAIK |
| [12:23:55] | justinh: | duh wth am I talking about? |
| [12:23:59] | justinh: | forget all that |
| [12:24:29] | justinh: | freqid doesn't seem to apply for dvb stuff here |
| [12:24:41] | justinh: | here, meaning on my box |
| [12:25:28] | justinh: | YAy! ITV axes the Bill :-D |
| [12:27:55] | lyricnz: | Hmm |
| [12:28:47] | gbee: | justinh: now we just need the BBC to axe Eastenders |
| [12:29:25] | gbee: | and the government to ban the production of Soaps |
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| [12:30:28] | Kevil: | Hi, I am new to mythbuntu and I am trying to install with wibu for a dual boot on my media center. During the installation it asks a few questions about graphics drivers which I left as the open source option then it asks about the sql database which I have no clue about and just left as it is. Then it reboots but when I select mythbuntu as the boot option it takes me to a grub screen and only gives me the option to run windows 7. I have no |
| [12:30:39] | Beirdo: | gbee: you know that will never happen :) |
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| [12:40:06] | gbee: | I can dream |
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| [12:40:43] | ** gbee is a snob ** | |
| [12:41:06] | mag0o: | man, 2tb @ newegg for $140 |
| [12:41:20] | mag0o: | wd green caviar |
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| [12:47:01] | justinh: | if I had my way I'd ban Sky & ITV |
| [12:48:10] | justinh: | Kevil: sounds like you should read the nice mythbuntu docs before going any further. even on a distro like that, mythtv is no point & click install process |
| [12:48:22] | Kevil: | that would be great ! where do I find them ? |
| [12:48:46] | justinh: | you found mythbuntu didn't you... their homepage should point you in the right direction |
| [12:49:51] | justinh: | & they have their own irc channel #mythbuntu where they'll be able to assist with mythbuntu specifics like their partitioner |
| [12:50:51] | justinh: | not sure I'd want a mythbuntu install to be multi-boot & I've no idea if they even support it |
| [12:50:52] | Kevil: | on freenode ? |
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| [12:51:14] | justinh: | yes on freenode |
| [12:51:19] | Kevil: | well they have the wibu installer on ubuntu.com so I presume its ok |
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| [12:51:52] | Kevil: | its invite only in that channel |
| [12:52:08] | justinh: | you probably need to register your nick then |
| [12:52:32] | Kevil: | damn its been ten years since I used irc |
| [12:52:38] | Kevil: | I forget how to do it |
| [12:53:07] | Kevil: | !help |
| [12:53:14] | Kevil: | !list |
| [12:53:49] | justinh: | "/msg nickserv help" |
| [12:54:31] | hipitihop: | I'm finding I am getting stutter in hd playback, sound is fine but image stutters, any suggestions ? |
| [12:54:54] | justinh: | still, multibooting a mythtv box isn't generally a good idea if you like your recordings to not be missed |
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| [12:56:06] | justinh: | hipitihop: try mythfrontend -v playback & look for clues in the output of that. experiment with different playback profiles too. consider that your video card's drivers maybe dross – or if you're not already using binary ATI or nvidia drivers (i.e. the closed source ones) you might have to |
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| [12:57:09] | justinh: | hipitihop: or it could just be your system is too slow.. or you're using wifi.. or... any number of things |
| [12:57:40] | hipitihop: | justin, already using 185 drivers and afaik vdaup |
| [12:58:13] | justinh: | you'd wanna be using VDPAU then |
| [12:58:36] | justinh: | if using VDPAU already & your card has too little ram for the deinterlace method chosen... |
| [12:58:44] | hipitihop: | the playback is from combined backend/frontend using hdmi |
| [12:58:52] | justinh: | like I said.. *any* *number* *of* *things* |
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| [13:02:13] | hipitihop: | justinh, I'm pretty certain this is something that has only recently started to occur but agree could be anything causing it |
| [13:02:49] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [13:02:52] | justinh: | so -v playback is a good place to start |
| [13:03:07] | Beirdo: | I can't find the adapter for my work laptop |
| [13:03:18] | Beirdo: | working from home will be... interesting |
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| [13:04:50] | justinh: | bah 4OD no worky on loonix |
| [13:04:58] | Beirdo: | let's see what the battery life is like |
| [13:05:36] | Kevil: | do you HAVE to use mythtv's recording features ? is that what it is all about ? I don't even have cable tv right now maybe its not for me. I was just interested as I currently use windows media center to catalog and organize about 8tb of movies and tv shows I have downloaded and wondered what the open source options are. |
| [13:05:58] | Dibblah: | Kevil: I would suggest xbmc. |
| [13:06:00] | justinh: | Kevil: don't talk about illegal stuff here |
| [13:06:03] | justinh: | DO NOT |
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| [13:06:38] | Kevil: | what is xbmc ? |
| [13:06:40] | Dibblah: | Why are you interested in the Open Source versions? |
| [13:06:51] | Kevil: | I like open source on principle |
| [13:07:11] | Dibblah: | You steal movies. |
| [13:07:13] | justinh: | Kevil: www.xbmc.org |
| [13:07:18] | Dibblah: | You have no principles. ;) |
| [13:07:26] | Kevil: | who says I steal anything ? |
| [13:07:37] | Kevil: | I didn't say it was copyrighted material |
| [13:07:38] | justinh: | downloading copyrighted content... |
| [13:07:42] | justinh: | yeah whatever |
| [13:08:02] | Dibblah: | Thanks, Kevil. I really needed that, it's been a long day already :) |
| [13:08:06] | justinh: | movies & tv shows are pretty much all copyrighted |
| [13:08:13] | justinh: | aaanyway |
| [13:08:26] | justinh: | if all you want is playback of 'media' look elsewhere |
| [13:08:32] | Kevil: | its a documentary collection from the bbc over 50 years and they have stated they just don't care |
| [13:08:33] | Beirdo: | 8tb of non-copyright??? yah, that sounds plausible |
| [13:08:40] | Kevil: | so I am not worried about it |
| [13:08:46] | Dibblah: | BBC stuff is all copyrighted. |
| [13:08:47] | justinh: | BS |
| [13:08:56] | Kevil: | well anyway |
| [13:09:01] | Kevil: | not allowed to talk about it |
| [13:09:03] | Beirdo: | arrrr. |
| [13:09:08] | justinh: | yarrr |
| [13:09:30] | Beirdo: | !trout Kevil one-legged pirate |
| [13:09:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps Kevil with a one-legged pirate trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [13:09:42] | Dibblah: | #xbmc also exists, for your questions. |
| [13:10:03] | justinh: | I *so* need a screenshot of this: "'Countdown' letters give U, D, F, C, K, E" |
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| [13:13:18] | Kevil: | so you are saying that mythtv is basically just dvr software ? |
| [13:13:26] | hipitihop: | justinh, so full command on backend would be 'mythfrontend -v playback' |
| [13:13:37] | Beirdo: | no |
| [13:13:41] | justinh: | is a 'meeja center' which specialises in TV recording |
| [13:13:48] | Beirdo: | it's primarily dvr software |
| [13:13:52] | justinh: | hipitihop: no, on the system you're doing the playback on |
| [13:15:03] | justinh: | no other 'media center' software even deserves the title if it doesn't tackle recording teevees IMHO |
| [13:17:12] | hipitihop: | justinh, this is a backened/frointend iow playing back on same machine |
| [13:19:43] | hipitihop: | is there a command line way of telling if vdaup is enabled ? |
| [13:20:00] | Kevil: | what do you think of WMC ? |
| [13:20:11] | Kevil: | whats the benefits of myth to windows ? |
| [13:20:15] | Kevil: | particular windows 7 |
| [13:20:22] | Kevil: | with mediabrowser |
| [13:22:45] | Beirdo: | not sure why you think we particularly care about Windows... |
| [13:23:14] | Beirdo: | most of us here are Linux types (hence mythtv being Linux-centric...) |
| [13:23:26] | Beirdo: | Maybe you should read the channel FAQ :) |
| [13:23:41] | donDTF: | mythplayer is all i cared about for windows ;p |
| [13:24:05] | gbee: | justinh: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia . . . 1602733c.jpg |
| [13:24:07] | donDTF: | for the rare times you're booted into windows to play games |
| [13:24:18] | donDTF: | but still want to watch a recorded program with commercial skipping |
| [13:24:22] | gbee: | donDTF: not mythfrontend? |
| [13:24:30] | donDTF: | is there a full frontend for win32 now? |
| [13:24:49] | gbee: | has been since 0.21 |
| [13:24:56] | donDTF: | woah. dod not know this. |
| [13:25:27] | gbee: | earlier even, though 0.21 was when it finally matured to be nearly 100% working |
| [13:26:13] | donDTF: | ive been using myth since 0.15 but havent touched or read about win32 frontend for years |
| [13:26:51] | donDTF: | because even now searching for win32 mythfrontend brings up all the stuff from years ago with people arguing about who is going to do it and would it be worth it lol... and/or compiling mythfrontend under cygwin and/or running it in vm |
| [13:27:04] | gbee: | there was always more interest in the linux, BSD and OSX versions |
| [13:27:21] | donDTF: | yeah. as well there should be. just surprised to find there's a full frontend for win32 now hehe |
| [13:29:20] | donDTF: | need to try and figure out why my gentoo-desktop mythfrontend only displays a blackscreen when playing back recordings but plays back sound in the background |
| [13:29:37] | donDTF: | no matter what profile i use, blackscreen with sound. and only since upgrading the frontend from 0.21 to 0.22 |
| [13:29:41] | gbee: | donDTF: gentoo packaging bug |
| [13:29:51] | gbee: | guy last night was complaining of the same |
| [13:30:31] | donDTF: | yeah.. thats what some others thought last night so i compiled the src myself with just --eanble-proc-opt and still got the blackscreen |
| [13:30:39] | donDTF: | i bet i was that guy |
| [13:30:42] | donDTF: | hehe :) |
| [13:30:51] | gbee: | donDTF: ahh, heh |
| [13:31:23] | donDTF: | --enable-proc-opt rather |
| [13:31:41] | donDTF: | osx frontend doesnt work either |
| [13:31:50] | donDTF: | but mythweb flv encoding/playback works fine |
| [13:32:02] | donDTF: | farely unrelated i know, but it shouldnt be the recordings |
| [13:32:22] | donDTF: | no errors to go on which is annoying |
| [13:34:09] | Beirdo: | *sqauwk* don't eat me! *squawk* |
| [13:34:25] | donDTF: | osx fixes universal build for the same rev number doesnt give a blackscreen, it just closes when its opened heh |
| [13:35:49] | justinh: | Kevil: nobody here really cares about windows. if they did I'd wager they'd not be using mythtv |
| [13:36:05] | Beirdo: | justinh: my thoughts exactly. |
| [13:36:10] | justinh: | so any 'merit' windows 7 has is purely irrelevant |
| [13:36:22] | Beirdo: | Windows is for games, and when we get stuck using it for work tools :) |
| [13:36:38] | justinh: | gbee: cheers for the screenshot btw :) |
| [13:36:42] | Beirdo: | or to sync our iPhone |
| [13:36:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [13:38:03] | Beirdo: | I can't wait until the cash flow allows me to buy a mac laptop |
| [13:38:26] | justinh: | oh dear god "My bash script for transcoding below, takes about 20 hours to |
| [13:38:27] | justinh: | transcode 1 hr of video" |
| [13:38:36] | justinh: | so WHY BOTHER? lol |
| [13:38:56] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [13:39:01] | justinh: | blimmin idiot file squirls |
| [13:39:17] | Beirdo: | get a faster computer, use better tools |
| [13:39:27] | justinh: | watch more, delete more |
| [13:39:33] | justinh: | wait til they show a repeat tomorrow night |
| [13:39:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, archive less |
| [13:39:40] | justinh: | it's BBC HD |
| [13:39:51] | Beirdo: | oh, hehe. |
| [13:39:58] | Beirdo: | BBC does plenty of repeats, no? |
| [13:40:05] | justinh: | oh yeah |
| [13:40:13] | Beirdo: | thought so |
| [13:40:21] | justinh: | hardly even need a DVR for BBC stuff |
| [13:40:25] | Beirdo: | most quasi-public broadcasters tend to |
| [13:40:56] | justinh: | it's weird sometimes though – newer stuff tends to go straight to non-BBC channels & they're left with really old dross like Dads Army |
| [13:41:19] | justinh: | look at the Top Gear channel, aka Dave |
| [13:42:15] | justinh: | need to find my -users subscription again to rail against the ORG thread |
| [13:42:20] | Beirdo: | of course, I can't get BBC here :) |
| [13:42:49] | justinh: | Open Rights Group going "muh, we pay the licence fee so we therefore own the content" |
| [13:43:13] | Beirdo: | oh goodness |
| [13:43:15] | justinh: | NO, you pay the licence fee to enable you to use a television without breaking the law |
| [13:43:16] | Beirdo: | no you don't |
| [13:43:23] | Beirdo: | you just have a license to watch it |
| [13:43:52] | justinh: | they're the enemies of open source, that kind of person |
| [13:44:03] | Beirdo: | just like a driving license doesn't mean you own every car on the road |
| [13:44:05] | justinh: | or 'freetards' as El Reg calls em |
| [13:44:16] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [13:46:01] | justinh: | they picked the wrong day to stage a demo, poor fools |
| [13:46:04] | justinh: | budget day. LOL |
| [13:46:16] | gbee: | several of these groups have swung from the rational middle ground to outright left-wing insanity |
| [13:47:04] | gbee: | probably happened when DRM was abandoned for music and they no-longer knew what they were fighting against |
| [13:47:19] | justinh: | I'm all for OSS, freedom etc.. totally behind the whole ethos – maybe with an exception about people being able to profit for it – but I firmly believe in upholding copyright |
| [13:47:44] | justinh: | copyright still applies in open source |
| [13:50:08] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [13:50:24] | justinh: | I can't believe the EFF signed up to ORG's objection to BBC DRM |
| [13:51:19] | gbee: | I firmly believe that people have a right to be paid for their work, some would rather creatives be dirt poor, working two jobs just to provide their work free to the public – I faced a pretty irrational post on this just yesterday, he argued that artists could produce, record, arrange worldwide distribution and arrange promotion entirely on their own, working out of their homes AND work a normal day job to stop themselves from |
| [13:51:20] | gbee: | starving |
| [13:52:00] | Beirdo: | gbee: all so we get free content? bah. greedy gits |
| [13:52:01] | gbee: | there was no need for engineers, labels, studios or distributors |
| [13:52:02] | justinh: | yeah everything will be free, and we'll all live in like this big commune thing. yay! |
| [13:53:52] | gbee: | nevermind that indie labels etc actually perform a useful service with a full time staff, no, the artist should do it all by themselves and even then only get paid pennies for the trouble |
| [13:54:18] | justinh: | greedy little nowts |
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| [13:54:35] | Beirdo: | tell the idiots that the soviet experiment failed. we don't want to go back to that. |
| [13:54:55] | gbee: | but this is now widely perceived as the only possible future, common sense and rational argument has gone out the window |
| [13:55:26] | justinh: | aye well that being the case, I'll weep for future generations |
| [13:56:05] | justinh: | mind, the other side of the coin is no better. where the man controls what/how/when you watch/listen/read |
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| [13:56:20] | Beirdo: | the 1984 factor, yeah |
| [13:56:32] | justinh: | there seem to be only the 2 extremes, no sanity |
| [13:57:03] | Beirdo: | sanity is for old people |
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| [13:57:20] | Beirdo: | kids must be insane or they are doing something wrong, it seems |
| [13:57:53] | Beirdo: | there |
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| [13:58:01] | Beirdo: | I replied to mr 20h transcode |
| [13:58:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [13:58:02] | gbee: | well obviously there are some of us who can see the middle path, but judging by what I see on the forums of services like Emusic etc We're a tiny minority :/ |
| [13:58:17] | Beirdo: | or a silent majority |
| [13:58:20] | Beirdo: | not sure which |
| [13:59:18] | justinh: | probably a silent majority |
| [13:59:25] | Beirdo: | let's hope so |
| [13:59:47] | gbee: | I'll try to take comfort in the thought that the majority are just not participating in the silliness |
| [14:00:22] | fugdnscerd: | hey guys, I changed my theme about a week ago and now whatever option i have selected on the main menu screen is not visible. thought maybe it was just the theme, but now when i change themes its the same with all of em. any ideas |
| [14:04:26] | justinh: | it's not really as if folks can use the 'muh, expensive' argument anymore. music downloads for 69 pence a track. Win! Beats £5 a 12" single :-D |
| [14:04:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:04:41] | justinh: | no wonder the economy is screwed |
| [14:07:34] | mag0o: | fugdnscerd: sounds like the selectedactive state isn't set in the theme |
| [14:08:13] | fugdnscerd: | mag0o: how do i change it |
| [14:08:40] | mag0o: | running trunk, .23 rc or 22-fixes? |
| [14:08:49] | fugdnscerd: | trunk |
| [14:09:32] | mag0o: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7781 theres a script there that i think should add the state to the themes |
| [14:09:36] | mag0o: | iirc |
| [14:14:16] | fugdnscerd: | cool, thanks.. I just realized i'm due for an update tho. So I'm gonna update, and if the prob persists this will come in handy... thanks |
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| [14:15:29] | fugdnscerd: | when i update trunk thru svn, do i need to run configure each time before i compile |
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| [14:17:09] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [14:17:17] | Beirdo: | just to be sure |
| [14:17:34] | Beirdo: | likely not 100% necessary all the time, but better safe than sorry |
| [14:17:36] | fugdnscerd: | cool, not like it forever anyways |
| [14:17:49] | fugdnscerd: | *it takes forever* |
| [14:21:38] | justinh: | ruh roh. I've successfully baited a freetard. I really wish I hadn't |
| [14:22:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [14:24:47] | fugdnscerd: | freetard?? |
| [14:26:04] | justinh: | yeah. the kind of person who thinks they have a birthright to absolutely everything, no matter what |
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| [14:26:10] | justinh: | it's all about teh free! |
| [14:26:22] | fugdnscerd: | ahh ic |
| [14:27:24] | gbee: | though strangely they won't attempt to walk out of a supermarket without paying, because when it's a tangible product they can see the difference |
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| [14:28:19] | fugdnscerd: | some ppl just don't grasp the idea of intellectual property |
| [14:30:45] | gbee: | fugdnscerd: if you are updating to trunk infrequently, then it's safer to do a distclean and re-run configure, not really necessary to do it every time if you are compiling daily but then you've got to be able to recognise when it is required – either by reading the commits list and understanding the changes, or at least by recognising the cause of a compile failure |
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| [14:31:58] | fugdnscerd: | ok cool, i usually update every couple days or so, but I have been a little busy lately |
| [14:32:20] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, I figured out my nuvexport problem with it finding files but not info; I forgot to set up samba on the mythbox and /tv on my desktop wasn't mounting |
| [14:33:20] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, also got the analog side of the pchd5500 working (forgot to turn on one of the settings that makes it only use the dvb side while recording |
| [14:33:27] | PsychoI3oy: | ) |
| [14:43:11] | PsychoI3oy: | darn, spoke too soon |
| [14:43:41] | PsychoI3oy: | nuvexport is barfing on the mythbox; as soon as ffmpeg starts, the mythtranscoder spews a billion FIFOW: write failed with Broken pipe and ffmpeg stops |
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| [14:48:14] | justinh: | heh I've never been flamed by a woman with a moustache before |
| [14:49:57] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Whereabouts is this happening? |
| [14:50:25] | justinh: | there are enough flames. I'm walking away from this one. |
| [14:50:42] | justinh: | I know when I can't win |
| [14:50:46] | kisak: | I never looked closely at this before, but now I have a dedicated mythfrontend box (on gentoo) ... how do I let mythfrontend shutdown the computer? |
| [14:50:49] | justinh: | doesn't matter who's right |
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| [14:51:27] | fugdnscerd: | kisak: you mean like shutdown on exit of the frontend? |
| [14:51:33] | justinh: | thank God you can't get direct messages from people you don't follow on twitter, though :) |
| [14:51:35] | kisak: | fugdnscerd: indeed |
| [14:51:55] | PsychoI3oy: | oh look, more samba causing headaches |
| [14:52:08] | PsychoI3oy: | had nuvexport trying to dump to a dir on the desktop that i wasn't sharing as writeable |
| [14:52:18] | ** PsychoI3oy can has both machines doing nuvexport ** | |
| [14:52:25] | Beirdo: | samba sucks |
| [14:52:26] | ** PsychoI3oy can theoretically transcode 6 shows at a time ** | |
| [14:52:40] | PsychoI3oy: | now.... |
| [14:52:47] | fugdnscerd: | Advanced -> Setup -> General 8th screen |
| [14:52:52] | justinh: | all music from that part of the world is awful |
| [14:53:01] | PsychoI3oy: | do i start mythbackend on the desktop and let it run 4 jobs at a time? |
| [14:53:54] | fugdnscerd: | kisak: set "Customise exit menu option" ( yes its misspelled on the screen too) to show 'exit and shutdown' |
| [14:54:27] | PsychoI3oy: | or is there a better way to have the (main) backend do 2 jobs on itself and up to 4 custom jobs on the desktop? |
| [14:54:38] | kisak: | fugdnscerd: it shows the option now ... it just doesn't do anything |
| [14:55:00] | fugdnscerd: | kisak: i think the use thats running mythfrontend have permissions to shutdown |
| [14:55:32] | fugdnscerd: | open a terminal and type the command shown in the 'Halt command' box and see if it gives you an error |
| [14:56:11] | kisak: | there is an error |
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| [14:56:40] | gbee: | s/mispelt/using British English spelling/ |
| [14:56:49] | gbee: | fixed that in trunk yesterday |
| [14:56:50] | fugdnscerd: | what is it |
| [14:57:00] | kisak: | fugdnscerd: command not found |
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| [14:57:41] | fugdnscerd: | ok try 'shutdown -h now' |
| [14:58:27] | kisak: | fugdnscerd: same result |
| [14:59:54] | fugdnscerd: | check out this post http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=1401 |
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| [15:00:06] | fugdnscerd: | i think your user must be in the /etc/shutdown.allow file |
| [15:00:46] | kisak: | let's take a look |
| [15:00:56] | kormoc: | shutdown.allow has nothing to do with a path issue, which is what command not found indicates |
| [15:01:23] | kisak: | said config file does not exist on this system |
| [15:01:33] | fugdnscerd: | ahh good point kormoc |
| [15:01:34] | kormoc: | try giving the full path, /sbin/shutdown -h now |
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| [15:01:57] | kisak: | kormoc: there's no chance that would be allowed |
| [15:02:09] | fugdnscerd: | forgot /sbin is not usually in a normal users path |
| [15:02:25] | kormoc: | no chance that would be allowed eh? |
| [15:02:37] | kisak: | for a normal user to use sbin |
| [15:02:38] | kormoc: | well, then you're *DOOMED* DOOMED I SAY! |
| [15:02:42] | fugdnscerd: | i think that is what the /etc/shutdown.allow file controls |
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| [15:02:46] | kormoc: | kisak: lies |
| [15:03:23] | fugdnscerd: | kisak: is sudo set up to allow use without password for your user |
| [15:03:42] | kormoc: | running commands in /sbin work just fine, you might not have permissions to do what it wants to do (raw device access or what not), but running the commands work just fine |
| [15:04:39] | kormoc: | kisak: if you want me to 'prove' it, just run /sbin/ifconfig as a normal user and bask in the data |
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| [15:07:10] | kisak: | kormoc: fair enough .. for info, not actions, such as /sbin/ifconfig eth0 down |
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| [15:07:51] | kormoc: | kisak: but it also depends on if the binary is SUIDed root or not, which shutdown is, and thus why shutdown.allow works |
| [15:08:16] | kormoc: | give a full path to the shutdown binary, setup shutdown.allow, and boom, happy days |
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| [15:09:48] | Beirdo: | BOOM |
| [15:09:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:10:08] | kormoc: | Gloom, Doom, and Boom! |
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| [15:18:02] | PsychoI3oy: | anywho |
| [15:18:07] | PsychoI3oy: | i think I'm set for now |
| [15:18:12] | PsychoI3oy: | thanks for all the help |
| [15:18:20] | PsychoI3oy: | i'll be back when i break something else |
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| [15:23:18] | kisak: | it works now, thanks for the nudge fugdnscerd |
| [15:25:15] | fugdnscerd: | rnp |
| [15:25:20] | fugdnscerd: | *np |
| [15:25:39] | fugdnscerd: | did the shutdown.allow file work for you |
| [15:26:15] | fugdnscerd: | I'm trying to set it up on my system now and it only works from outside of X and only by pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL |
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| [15:27:32] | justinh: | I'm thinking about the tree-huggin moneh savin act of shutting my backend off |
| [15:27:57] | justinh: | thing is, I dunno if I can get by letting my stupid router be the dhcp server |
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| [15:29:25] | justinh: | might have to go with a USB boot on the frontend & have that wake up the backend |
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| [15:32:50] | fugdnscerd: | got it working :) |
| [15:34:07] | gbee: | justinh: I relented and let my router handled dhcp, works well, even with assigning static addresses based on mac |
| [15:34:33] | fugdnscerd: | what kind of router? |
| [15:34:42] | justinh: | oh it'll do DHCP just fine, just can't do PXE |
| [15:34:55] | gbee: | ah |
| [15:34:58] | justinh: | fugdnscerd: the kind I can't hack. not that I could be bothered to anyway |
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| [15:35:53] | fugdnscerd: | heh.. i seem to be cursed with all these crappy linksys routers that everyone thinks they must give me. They generally last a couple months and have to be reset at least every other day |
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| [15:36:13] | justinh: | got a WRT54GC, very happy with it |
| [15:36:29] | justinh: | it's dinky, not thirsty & has never needed to be reset since I bought it |
| [15:36:49] | justinh: | the netgear thing I had before it.. oh man |
| [15:36:55] | gbee: | mine's a netgear, most people tend to hate them for some reason, but it's been extremely reliable and does everything I need it to do |
| [15:37:14] | justinh: | gbee: mine kept dropping the wan connection for some inexplicable reason |
| [15:37:18] | fugdnscerd: | lol, i had a pretty decent 2wire dsl router with wifi that did great till today... just burned out or something |
| [15:37:46] | justinh: | maybe it was faulty. anyway, any excuse to get my money back @ PCWorld |
| [15:38:18] | justinh: | the signal on the netgear was better in the garden, but that's not a big deal |
| [15:38:26] | gbee: | justinh: well I had to disable SPI as it wasn't IRC friendly, I suppose I tend to overlook that, but without SPI it's rock solid |
| [15:38:33] | fugdnscerd: | im bout to get something like this tho... its kinda old, but very featurefull and reliable |
| [15:38:39] | fugdnscerd: | http://cgi.ebay.com/3COM-3C16440-SUPERSTACK-I . . . em2c53a64d79 |
| [15:39:31] | fugdnscerd: | gettin tired of daisy chaining routers |
| [15:39:39] | gbee: | and it's just a standard 5 port router, wifi is courtesy of a standalone netgear AP, which again has been entirely reliable unlike the crappy US Robotics thing it replaced |
| [15:40:13] | justinh: | ah maybe that's the difference gbee |
| [15:40:31] | fugdnscerd: | thats the way i like my setup anyway... my wifi router has always done nothing but be an AP... and usually on a dmz |
| [15:40:42] | fugdnscerd: | or a seperate network than my internal anyways |
| [15:41:06] | justinh: | oh no, not the "muh but what if somebody spoofed your IP or hacked your wifi" reasoning. GO AWAY TROLL! |
| [15:42:06] | fugdnscerd: | no, like i said i have just had bad luck with them... and i have more than four things to plug into them.... DMZ is just easier to setup and keeps ppl with wifi devices off of my internal network |
| [15:42:07] | justinh: | hmm what should I be more worried about.. having my internet cut off or being hauled away on suspicion of being a tourist/kiddy fiddler? hmmm |
| [15:42:25] | justinh: | nah I was ranting about a flamer |
| [15:42:32] | fugdnscerd: | oic |
| [15:42:33] | fugdnscerd: | lol |
| [15:42:41] | gbee: | I've considered an all-in-one, but I just can't justify it, I don't need 802.11n or Gigabit eth but if I did spend I'd want both and a decent one too, so that's over £100 for something that wouldn't really change anything on a day to day basis |
| [15:42:42] | justinh: | I've left it alone but the replies continue |
| [15:43:10] | justinh: | I might have to delete my account & start again at this rate. |
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| [15:44:59] | gbee: | I might reconsider if I was entirely certain that it would fix HD streaming, but the only way to guarantee that is the much cheaper Cat 5/6 run down the outside wall option |
| [15:46:20] | fugdnscerd: | yea i only rely on wifi for streaming small podcasts or something... I use cat5e for all my myth installs |
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| [15:52:02] | justinh: | yeh well, video streaming no work in loonix on my laptop over wifi |
| [15:52:12] | justinh: | barely even any good for music actually |
| [15:52:40] | justinh: | when I did my pre-purchase research I maybe should've looked harder than "yes, it works" |
| [15:53:50] | fugdnscerd: | my 2wire, may it rest in peace :(, did pretty damn good. I actually watched a couple of movies through myth streaming over wifi. it skipped about every 20–30 seconds tho... got annoying enough i just ran a new cat5e |
| [15:54:59] | fugdnscerd: | that wasnt even dvd quality tho |
| [15:55:07] | fugdnscerd: | not even close |
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| [15:59:30] | justinh: | wireless is great for a lot of things |
| [15:59:37] | justinh: | it's just not a replacement for wires |
| [15:59:46] | fugdnscerd: | agreed |
| [16:00:01] | Beirdo: | well, it can be, but not a very good one ;) |
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| [16:03:07] | wagnerrp: | lets just say its better than nothing |
| [16:03:16] | justinh: | almost better than nothing |
| [16:03:26] | justinh: | depends on the range ;) |
| [16:04:48] | wagnerrp: | so what does this mohammad from from india want from us? |
| [16:05:04] | justinh: | your bank account details? |
| [16:05:19] | gbee: | wagnerrp: he's looking for someone to do some contract work |
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| [16:05:50] | wagnerrp: | so why not say that explicitly? |
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| [16:08:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | someone from india wanting to contract outside of india? that goes against everything we've been taught, usually it's the other way around.... next thing you know we'll have native english speakers doing Indian phone support. |
| [16:09:03] | iamlindoro: | It's because their ploy to get someone to write them a commercial-inserter last year failed |
| [16:09:28] | iamlindoro: | MythStealProgrammingAndRemoveTheEvidenceWhileMakingMeMoney.cpp |
| [16:09:29] | bjd: | as in pumping in their own contents? |
| [16:09:46] | justinh: | as in taking commercials out & inserting their own |
| [16:10:01] | bjd: | ah |
| [16:10:18] | justinh: | and no doubt selling on said ad space while they show the video in public places |
| [16:10:31] | stevieman: | I'm having a problem with mytharchive, it seems to be a permissions problem but all the permissions are set correctly. This is the error Error: Failed while running mytharchivehelper to get stream information from "/var/lib/mytharchive/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg" |
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| [16:11:04] | jamesd_: | iamlindoro, watch out keep chaining words together like that and they will be recruiting you to work on gnome projects. |
| [16:11:13] | gbee: | stevieman: I'm going to guess that it uses mplayer for that job, have you got mplayer installed? |
| [16:11:43] | gbee: | someone really should re-write those components of mytharchive to use myth libs instead |
| [16:12:59] | stevieman: | +gbee: I honestly don't know if mplayer is installed, sec let me check |
| [16:13:29] | stevieman: | Yes mplayer is installed, but I just used the defaults in mytharchive |
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| [16:14:25] | justinh: | well, I think it's about time for hometime! |
| [16:15:04] | dougt: | i have some files that I ripped using other stuff and now the videos are in h264 AAC mkv. |
| [16:15:16] | dougt: | playback in mythvideo is pretty terrible. |
| [16:15:25] | dougt: | what should I transcode them into? |
| [16:15:32] | dougt: | is there a mythvideo ideal format? |
| [16:16:20] | wagnerrp: | probably mpeg2 or nupplevideo |
| [16:16:29] | wagnerrp: | since thats what the internal player is based upon |
| [16:16:39] | wagnerrp: | but h264+aac+mkv works fine for me |
| [16:17:26] | wagnerrp: | what exactly is the problem youre having? |
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| [16:21:01] | stevieman: | Is there anything I can do to fix the mytharcive issue I am having or is this something that is not fixable on the users end? |
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| [16:28:24] | RyeBrye: | does /var/lib/mytharchive/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg exist? does /var/ have enough space? is there any other error in the logs? |
| [16:28:52] | joe: | Anyone have a decently priced quality source for a prebuilt oem all intel htpc in nice silverstone/zarman/acer case w/ quiet components...? |
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| [16:29:27] | RyeBrye: | joe: I'll build one for you but you wont like my price :P |
| [16:29:53] | joe: | haha |
| [16:30:12] | RyeBrye: | building it yourself is half the fun :) |
| [16:31:16] | joe: | RyeBrye, Yeah yeah I know I've built a few but don't want to take the time to research all the components... there use to be a few sites w/ links to buy all components from newegg and it all works just can't find them... |
| [16:33:49] | wagnerrp: | apparently Dell SB had a 2TB WD Green for $90 yesterday |
| [16:34:41] | RyeBrye: | dang |
| [16:35:09] | wagnerrp: | seems it sold out within an hour of being found |
| [16:35:12] | bradd_: | so what are the deps for firewire these days...the firewire wiki page doesnt appear to be correct |
| [16:35:34] | wagnerrp: | are there any? besides a functional firewire stack? |
| [16:35:57] | bradd_: | i thought there were some lib deps |
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| [16:36:53] | bradd_: | FireWire support no |
| [16:36:59] | bradd_: | must be missing something |
| [16:37:16] | iamlindoro: | did you --enable-firewire? |
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| [16:37:41] | bradd_: | there is a --disable-firewire |
| [16:37:48] | iamlindoro: | and an enable... |
| [16:38:21] | bradd_: | thought that was the default |
| [16:38:26] | iamlindoro: | no |
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| [16:38:43] | fugdnscerd: | anyone here use irc on win mobile |
| [16:38:51] | bradd_: | still doesnt help |
| [16:39:21] | wagnerrp: | hehe... im on some message board, and there are four currently active users |
| [16:39:34] | RyeBrye: | Anyone ever built their own server from parts? I was thinking of building a storage beast out starting with a case like this: that I would just leave in a furnace closet and connect to my home gigabit LAN http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165146 |
| [16:39:37] | wagnerrp: | 'Google [Bot], MSN [Bot], Wagner, Yahoo [Bot]' |
| [16:39:59] | wagnerrp: | depends on what you would consider a 'server' |
| [16:40:05] | fugdnscerd: | frnace closet?? doesnt sound like a good idea to me!!! |
| [16:40:10] | fugdnscerd: | LOTS OF HEAT |
| [16:40:12] | wagnerrp: | it rackmount is a necessity, probably not too many people |
| [16:40:23] | bradd_: | is there not a configure log that will tell me what im missing? |
| [16:40:27] | fugdnscerd: | and if you have central air, LOTS OF MOISTURE |
| [16:40:43] | wagnerrp: | config.ep |
| [16:41:19] | bradd_: | doesnt tell me anything related to why firewire isnt being enabled..already checked that |
| [16:41:53] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: if you dont _need_ those 5.25" bays, ive been partial to Norco |
| [16:41:54] | RyeBrye: | I don't care about rackmount |
| [16:42:11] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219031 |
| [16:42:44] | RyeBrye: | The bays aren't crucial, but I was thinking that it might be convenient to have a few hotswap bays because I think I might use it for a bunch of myth storage, but also have a raid setup for storing family photos and stuff – and then having a relatively easy way to hotswap in a drive to do backups of those photos to take offsite would be good |
| [16:43:12] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: you already have those 8 hotswap bays on the front |
| [16:43:18] | wagnerrp: | or with the norco, youve got 16 |
| [16:43:22] | RyeBrye: | Ahhh :) |
| [16:43:22] | RyeBrye: | Ok |
| [16:43:57] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I don't need the 5.25 bays – I thought you were talking about the hotswap ones. Yeah, that case would probably do the trick :) |
| [16:44:20] | wagnerrp: | personally, ive got this beast sitting in a corner in my basement, http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16811182551 |
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| [16:45:35] | RyeBrye: | Nice :) |
| [16:45:57] | wagnerrp: | i know several people who have some variant or another of this case... http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16811112062 |
| [16:46:23] | wagnerrp: | about as hotswappable as you can get without actually having some backplane |
| [16:46:41] | RyeBrye: | for a big filestorage beast – where the primary function is being a fileserver – the CPU is far less important than a good hardware RAID card, right? (for the myth stuff I don't care about RAID – if I lose it I wont cry much, but for the family pictures, etc, my wife would kill me if I said "Woops, honey, our photos are gone 'cause that hard drive died") |
| [16:46:42] | wagnerrp: | the drives are mounted sideways for easy access |
| [16:47:06] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want to lose stuff, dont bother with RAID |
| [16:47:14] | wagnerrp: | just pick up a spare or two hard drives for backup |
| [16:47:17] | wagnerrp: | store them elsewhere |
| [16:47:34] | wagnerrp: | or rent some online storage |
| [16:47:48] | wagnerrp: | if you want to guard against disk failure, use RAID |
| [16:48:04] | wagnerrp: | if youre using more than 4 drives, you want 5, and if more than 6 drives, you want 6 |
| [16:48:36] | wagnerrp: | hardware raid is going to be EXPENSIVE |
| [16:48:57] | wagnerrp: | with a nice card starting $300-$400 |
| [16:49:42] | wagnerrp: | youre generally better off just spending the extra $50 to get a quad core instead of a dual core |
| [16:50:20] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... yeah, doing software RAID might make more sense |
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| [16:51:43] | dewman: | unless you dont care about power consumption. you can find some good deals on used servers that already have raid cards in them....and even a small san.. |
| [16:53:38] | wagnerrp: | are you saying go the old server route if he DOES or DOES NOT care about power consumption? |
| [16:53:52] | dewman: | does not. |
| [16:53:58] | RyeBrye: | Power is cheap here, so I dont' care too much about it |
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| [16:54:12] | wagnerrp: | id still vote for modern hardware |
| [16:54:24] | wagnerrp: | most of the old servers you may pick up are netburst Xeons |
| [16:54:36] | wagnerrp: | which a $60 AMD chip will run circles around |
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| [16:55:56] | cipher42: | what is the difference between vdpau slim and normal? |
| [16:56:11] | wagnerrp: | the difference between all three is just the deinterlacer |
| [16:56:21] | wagnerrp: | the deint filters are run on the shader hardware |
| [16:56:31] | wagnerrp: | so more beefy cards are needed to run the more intensive deint filters |
| [16:56:55] | cipher42: | so if normal is slow, i should go to slim |
| [16:57:10] | wagnerrp: | what card do you have? |
| [16:57:15] | cipher42: | 8400gs |
| [16:57:28] | wagnerrp: | 450 or 567MHz? |
| [16:57:39] | cipher42: | not sure |
| [16:57:44] | cipher42: | running two monitors tho |
| [16:57:55] | wagnerrp: | makes no difference |
| [16:58:39] | wagnerrp: | if 567, use normal |
| [16:58:45] | wagnerrp: | if 450, i dont know off hand |
| [16:58:54] | cipher42: | how can i tell? |
| [16:58:55] | RyeBrye: | are the 195 drivers needed for the 0.23 with libvdpau? Just curious because I couldn't get vdpau to work last night but I was still running 185 drivers |
| [16:59:11] | RyeBrye: | I upgraded to the 195 drivers this morning but haven't tested it yet |
| [16:59:17] | cipher42: | 195 has mutliple vdpau streams |
| [16:59:18] | wagnerrp: | only VDPAU support is needed |
| [16:59:28] | wagnerrp: | which means anything 180 or newer |
| [16:59:40] | wagnerrp: | 190 or newer split the vdpau stuff out into libvdpau |
| [16:59:48] | wagnerrp: | so if you are running 195, you need libvdpau |
| [17:01:30] | donDTF: | if mplayer -vo vdpau works perfectly then vdpau should work in mythfrontend also right? |
| [17:01:30] | gbee: | afaik changes were made in myth to use newer aspects of the vdpau api, so you may need at least 190 |
| [17:01:41] | cipher42: | is there any way i can tell how many mhz my vid card is? |
| [17:01:43] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I think I had a mixed / screwed up setup with libvdpa and 185... |
| [17:01:59] | gbee: | or not, I'm still using 185 it seems |
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| [17:02:25] | gbee: | cipher42: nvidia? run nvidia-settings |
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| [17:03:26] | cipher42: | cool yea it's 657 |
| [17:03:29] | cipher42: | 567 rather |
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| [17:05:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: your recall of old bugs and threads never ceases to amaze |
| [17:05:53] | gbee: | upside of my monitor dying is that I might get a better model under the warranty replacement, which would mean higher contrast ratios |
| [17:06:13] | gbee: | wagnerrp: if you haven't figured it out by now, sphery is a bot |
| [17:06:27] | wagnerrp: | so it would seem |
| [17:08:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:09:05] | sid3windr: | browsing mythtv-users: google [bot], sphere [bot], wagner, gbee [bot] ? |
| [17:09:06] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [17:09:31] | wagnerrp: | sphere? |
| [17:09:32] | sid3windr: | err, sphery* ;) |
| [17:09:51] | sid3windr: | sphere is the name of one of the servers here, I guess it comes automatically and apparently I was anti-tab completion there ;) |
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| [17:21:25] | Saviq: | guys, in mythfrontend with ALSA, how can I address my second sound card? |
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| [17:22:02] | Saviq: | the iec958 of the second sound card, to be exact |
| [17:22:04] | thebishop: | is there a good way to use Boxee as a frontend to MythTV's DVR? |
| [17:22:16] | thebishop: | like a MythTV boxee app or something |
| [17:27:47] | kormoc: | don't think so |
| [17:28:04] | kormoc: | Saviq: ALSA:hw1,*? |
| [17:28:06] | wagnerrp: | thebishop: would be something you have to ask the boxee people |
| [17:28:35] | wagnerrp: | thebishop: and whatever you do, dont use something that renames your recordings |
| [17:29:06] | gbee: | or fakes protocol support |
| [17:29:06] | thebishop: | wagnerrp, nah. i might build it if nothing exists. and I'm thinking it would be a myth-compliant front-end |
| [17:29:13] | thebishop: | just running as a boxee app |
| [17:29:25] | gbee: | or just use mythfrontend |
| [17:29:31] | thebishop: | not something that screws with your myth config |
| [17:29:40] | thebishop: | gbee, that's what i'm thinking |
| [17:30:15] | kormoc: | there's no upnp boxee app? |
| [17:30:23] | kormoc: | cause that might work |
| [17:30:33] | thebishop: | kormoc, that wouldn't let you schedule recordings |
| [17:30:40] | ** Beirdo boxees kormoc around the ears ** | |
| [17:30:44] | kormoc: | that's true, but that's what mythweb is for! |
| [17:30:46] | wagnerrp: | thebishop: hes saying just use mythfrontend, and make a menu entry in the frontend to open boxee for whatever online content myth cant currently access |
| [17:30:55] | Beirdo: | that's what the frontend is for |
| [17:31:39] | thebishop: | wagnerrp, last time i tried to do something like that it was a mess. boxee likes to own your output device |
| [17:31:47] | thebishop: | and myth kinda does too |
| [17:32:00] | wagnerrp: | myth should relinquish all control when you run an 'exec' |
| [17:32:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: but not the opengl rendering context |
| [17:32:38] | thebishop: | personally i'd prefer a more integrated solution than that |
| [17:32:48] | wagnerrp: | ah, wouldnt know about that |
| [17:33:51] | gbee: | what do you want to get out of boxee? |
| [17:34:35] | thebishop: | gbee, their ui is slick as hell, streaming web content is nice, and they've got some pretty solid 3rd party apps apps |
| [17:35:17] | thebishop: | the pandora app is swell |
| [17:35:49] | thebishop: | but myth's dvr functionality is unparalleled |
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| [17:51:33] | kormoc: | Beirdo: replace ti hardware with a mac mini and you have my setup basically :) |
| [17:51:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:52:06] | Beirdo: | short of the "custom API" |
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| [17:52:18] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [17:52:19] | cipher42: | how do i get the realtime module to work? |
| [17:52:28] | kormoc: | cipher42: don't? |
| [17:53:15] | wagnerrp: | what do you think you need realtime support for? |
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| [17:53:24] | kormoc: | cipher42: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 under rlimits |
| [17:54:17] | cipher42: | then i just need to restart the backend for it to take effect? |
| [17:55:00] | kormoc: | realtime has no effect on the backend |
| [17:55:14] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: #8221 related to anything yer playing with? |
| [17:55:14] | cipher42: | oh, i need to do that on the frontend machine? |
| [17:55:26] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, it's invalid |
| [17:55:41] | Beirdo: | heh, let me guess... forgot to make clean? |
| [17:55:42] | iamlindoro: | His course is out of date, it he needs to make distclaen |
| [17:55:46] | iamlindoro: | er source |
| [17:55:52] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [17:55:53] | iamlindoro: | and "it = or" |
| [17:55:57] | kormoc: | cipher42: if you don't know why you need it, don't bother |
| [17:56:33] | wagnerrp: | cipher42: its to improve playback on marginal hardware |
| [17:56:39] | cipher42: | i know i need it because it's stuttering |
| [17:56:48] | wagnerrp: | what hardware, what content? |
| [17:56:53] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: fair enough. That was my first guess anyways :) |
| [17:57:02] | cipher42: | decoding mpeg 4 |
| [17:57:10] | wagnerrp: | what kind of mpeg4 |
| [17:57:11] | cipher42: | 8400gs |
| [17:57:12] | kormoc: | cipher42: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [17:57:14] | cipher42: | h.264 |
| [17:57:15] | wagnerrp: | theres two types |
| [17:57:15] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, at least it was a half-decent bug report |
| [17:57:21] | kormoc: | realtime won't help at all with vdpau |
| [17:57:24] | wagnerrp: | then realtime support wont do anything |
| [17:57:31] | kormoc: | turn off your deinterlacers |
| [17:57:37] | Beirdo: | yeah he did a good job of reporting |
| [17:57:37] | wagnerrp: | since your processor (and the CPU scheduler) isnt actually doing anything |
| [17:57:59] | cipher42: | it's doing the audio right? |
| [17:58:23] | wagnerrp: | which any Pentium or better should be able to handle |
| [17:59:09] | cipher42: | what does changing the rlimit actually do? |
| [17:59:29] | wagnerrp: | mess with the scheduler |
| [18:01:16] | wagnerrp: | basically, it allows threads which need CPU to get it sooner, rather than waiting for the end of the current thread's time slice |
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| [18:03:10] | cipher42: | i got this error -> "mythtv Realtime priority would require SUID as root." |
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| [18:04:37] | jb__: | hi all |
| [18:05:16] | jb__: | is there any way to change the subtitles color in mythvideo with the internal player ? |
| [18:07:09] | gbee: | jb__: there are a dozen different types of subtitles, the answer is probably no to all, but you need to at least specify the type |
| [18:07:44] | jb__: | in order to use the internalplayer to view subtitles I have used mkvmerge to merge some old avi + idx + sub files in to one mkv file and now the subtitles are yellow but not if I use mplayer eg |
| [18:08:01] | gbee: | DVB Subs, DVD subs, Teletext subs, CC708 subs, SRT subs .... list goes on |
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| [18:10:17] | jb__: | I make backups of my dvds with acidrip and then I have used mkvmerg on the resulting file.avi, file.idx to get a file.mkv to use with the internal player and then I get yellow subs... with a shade on also ... |
| [18:10:57] | jb__: | its very hard to read |
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| [18:11:18] | cipher42: | keep getting this Video sync method can't support double framerate (refresh rate too low for bob deint) |
| [18:12:23] | wagnerrp: | so youre trying to run a 2x deint on a screen that doesnt support 2x the video framerate |
| [18:12:25] | wagnerrp: | stop that |
| [18:12:39] | cipher42: | it's just a monitor |
| [18:12:49] | wagnerrp: | so bump up the refresh rate |
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| [18:16:58] | jb__: | gbee, can I force the internal player to use white as subtitles color ? |
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| [18:19:58] | bradd_: | when you change channels via firewire (using 6200ch) do the numbers actually appear on the cable box display? |
| [18:22:29] | bradd_: | nevermind |
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| [18:25:32] | gbee: | jb__: I really don't know, I even suspect that it's a bug which needs fixing, but it's not really my area of expertise |
| [18:26:02] | iamlindoro: | and which has largely been rewritten on what will ultimately become .24 |
| [18:26:33] | jb__: | gbee, ahh I see thanks for the info, should I make a bug submition on it ? |
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| [18:28:24] | gbee: | jb__: yes please |
| [18:28:46] | jb__: | ok |
| [18:30:39] | cipher42: | aslso getting "AudioOutput Warning: Mixer attach error -2: No such file or directory |
| [18:30:39] | cipher42: | Check Mixer Name in Setup: '/dev/mixer'" |
| [18:31:32] | sphery: | you can't use /dev/mixer as mixer device with an ALSA output device |
| [18:31:35] | iamlindoro: | I guess we'll be going through all your warning messages so you don't need to google, then? |
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| [18:31:54] | sphery: | and if you use /dev/dsp* as an output device, you have to use the /proper/ /dev/mixer* |
| [18:33:59] | cipher42: | what dev should i use for alsa? |
| [18:35:06] | sphery: | ALSA:default and ALSA:default |
| [18:35:21] | sphery: | or /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer (possibly with numbers at the end) |
| [18:35:33] | sphery: | also, http://www.google.com/ :) |
| [18:35:42] | sphery: | or even http://wiki.mythtv.org/ |
| [18:39:04] | Beirdo: | reminds me of a friend of mine who used to have a sign hanging on his cubicle wall: RTFM |
| [18:42:35] | cipher42: | you'd think myth would use Alsa:Default, as the actual default |
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| [18:48:47] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: you'll be happy to know that Liberty Cablevision still sucks |
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| [19:00:58] | iamlindoro: | Heh, be nice to him |
| [19:01:00] | iamlindoro: | he's good people |
| [19:01:05] | iamlindoro: | (and an ffmpeg lead dev) |
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| [19:04:06] | markl_: | how's 0.23 looking? how long does it typically take for new releases to make it to medibuntu |
| [19:04:25] | iamlindoro: | medibuntu doesn't package myth as far as I know |
| [19:04:39] | iamlindoro: | perhaps you mean Mythbuntu? |
| [19:04:46] | iamlindoro: | in which case .23 should be in their next release |
| [19:05:02] | jb__: | markl_, mythbuntu 10.04 alfa has .23 init |
| [19:05:22] | iamlindoro: | the grammar, it burns |
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| [19:07:57] | markl_: | cool |
| [19:10:15] | jb__: | markl_, I didnt make the installation of it :-( but maybe wait til they release the beta |
| [19:11:42] | jb__: | and the 10.04 release is based on the ubuntu 10.04 LTS (long term support ) and thats good I think :-) |
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| [19:13:45] | markl_: | yes i am a huge fan of the LTS versions |
| [19:14:44] | iamlindoro: | just remember that LTS for Ubuntu doesn't mean LTS for Myth :) |
| [19:14:58] | iamlindoro: | As once .24 is out we just point and laugh ;) |
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| [19:16:49] | markl_: | yeah i went through that with my 8.04 LTS myth system |
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| [19:32:19] | iamlindoro: | markl_, Yes, VDPAU in (the soon to be) .23 should dynamically allocate buffers, if I understand the portions of his new VDPAU code rendered correctly |
| [19:32:30] | iamlindoro: | if not in .23, in .24 for sure when the libmythui OSD is merged. |
| [19:33:06] | npm: | what's the cheapest lowest powered (fanless?) graphics card that supports vdpau and mythtv well? |
| [19:33:40] | markl_: | i saw a post from markk on a mailing list about getting it done in 0.23, but he isn't in this channel |
| [19:34:02] | iamlindoro: | markl_, The other channel isn't intended to be "Ask the devs" ;) |
| [19:35:20] | npm: | also, just how bad can i expect mythtv to run on an ASUS_m2nbp-vm mobo w/ integrated NVIDIA® Quadro NVS210S GPU — doesn't support vdpau right? |
| [19:36:42] | npm: | (this is a mobo and dual core opteron that i want to repurpose into a mythtv front end) |
| [19:39:47] | gbee: | it will run just fine, at least for SD, without knowing the speed of the opteron we can't guarantee HD |
| [19:40:31] | gbee: | at least not AVC HD, mpeg2 (ATSC) HD will be fine |
| [19:40:33] | npm: | promising... thanks... its an Opteron 1212 overclocked to 2.2G |
| [19:41:19] | gbee: | that's probably pushing it for AVC HD, but maybe worth at least trying it before buying a new graphics card |
| [19:45:26] | npm: | i guess the quadro 210s is a geforce 6100 ... that doesn't support vdpau right? |
| [19:47:07] | gbee: | no, 8200 and up |
| [19:47:36] | npm: | just found http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html which tells me whats what |
| [19:48:27] | npm: | any fanless 8200's and up recommended? |
| [19:54:04] | wagnerrp: | well you cant buy an 8200 or 8300 |
| [19:54:17] | wagnerrp: | those are IGP only |
| [19:55:14] | iamlindoro: | and you theoretically wouldn't want to purchase either anyway |
| [19:56:17] | wagnerrp: | well theres nothing better available for AMD platforms |
| [19:56:53] | gbee: | technically you can get a 9300 for the same price, but I wouldn't call them useless, mine work great |
| [19:58:41] | iamlindoro: | Just suggesting if you are making a purchase, you wouldn't opt to get an 8200 or 8300 |
| [19:58:54] | iamlindoro: | but rather something more like a 9500 or 9600 |
| [19:59:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if youre buying a discrete card, may as well buy one capable of everything the API supports |
| [19:59:54] | gbee: | iamlindoro: 9300/9400 are the IGPs though |
| [20:00:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Didn't think he had specified it hda to be IGP? |
| [20:00:30] | gbee: | unless they are now producing IGPs with 9500/9600 model numbers (which would be confusing) |
| [20:01:03] | gbee: | iamlindoro: he didn't, but you were comparing against the 8200/8300 so I thought you were comparing like with like |
| [20:01:29] | iamlindoro: | gbee, wagnerrp mentioned you can't buy one, and I said that even if you could, you wouldn't want to |
| [20:02:35] | iamlindoro: | anyway :) |
| [20:03:01] | wagnerrp: | huh... seems you can get 8300gt, 9300gt, and 9400gt retail |
| [20:03:02] | gbee: | unless you wanted an IGP ... but no, in this specific instance that's not what npm wants :) |
| [20:03:05] | wagnerrp: | theyre just rare |
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| [20:04:44] | wagnerrp: | 'i lost my mobo battery'.... man, thats pointless and trivial even for -users |
| [20:06:21] | iamlindoro: | Even more amusing is the army of respondents :) |
| [20:06:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they jumped on that one fast |
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| [20:08:36] | wagnerrp: | anyone have the ATI display corruption thread handy |
| [20:08:42] | wagnerrp: | HEY! my mouse is moving |
| [20:08:59] | cipher42: | does mythtv-frontend have to write anything to the hard drive besides logs to watch livetv? |
| [20:09:01] | iamlindoro: | Sphery does, but someone shut down his process |
| [20:09:12] | iamlindoro: | cipher42, yes, it has to write video and audio |
| [20:09:17] | iamlindoro: | ie, the TV part |
| [20:09:32] | wagnerrp: | cipher42: livetv is nothing more than a recording, with some glue to allow channel changing |
| [20:09:52] | cipher42: | i just thought it may be able to hold the video and audio in memory |
| [20:09:54] | wagnerrp: | you still need to do logs, database seek data, and the recording itself |
| [20:10:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv used to do that ages ago |
| [20:10:01] | wagnerrp: | no longer |
| [20:10:14] | wagnerrp: | and even then, it was still stored in a HD buffer |
| [20:10:18] | wagnerrp: | never completely in memory |
| [20:10:28] | cipher42: | can you make it all go to memory? |
| [20:10:33] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [20:10:37] | iamlindoro: | nor would you want to |
| [20:10:39] | cipher42: | i'm using a ssd which is making is slow |
| [20:10:39] | wagnerrp: | how much memory you got? |
| [20:10:42] | cipher42: | 8 gig |
| [20:11:03] | wagnerrp: | you could do so with shows up to ~1.5hrs long |
| [20:11:15] | wagnerrp: | nah, make it an hour |
| [20:11:27] | cipher42: | i mean all i really watch is livetv |
| [20:12:03] | wagnerrp: | if you have an SSD that cant keep up with recording TV, you got ripped off |
| [20:12:27] | cipher42: | it doesn't have trim so there is alot of stutter |
| [20:12:44] | cipher42: | when my computer tries to do too many things at once |
| [20:12:47] | cipher42: | i don't have swap either |
| [20:12:51] | wagnerrp: | if you cant keep up with a measily 2MB/s, you got ripped off |
| [20:13:01] | wagnerrp: | period |
| [20:13:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean even a $10 CF card should be able to do that |
| [20:13:21] | cipher42: | it works |
| [20:13:32] | cipher42: | but i have to restart it alot |
| [20:13:37] | cipher42: | like every 10 mins |
| [20:13:46] | wagnerrp: | how big is the SSD? |
| [20:13:53] | cipher42: | 60 gig |
| [20:14:27] | wagnerrp: | you ONLY do livetv? you dont have any other form of storage for music or videos or movies or....? |
| [20:14:36] | cipher42: | yea i do |
| [20:14:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you just need the exports or a specific thread? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407386#407386 |
| [20:15:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just the thread... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . ruption.html |
| [20:15:29] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [20:15:48] | sphery: | that's the broken bob issue? |
| [20:15:49] | wagnerrp: | ATI stuff, not the nvidia stuff |
| [20:16:00] | wagnerrp: | thats what im thinking |
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| [20:16:15] | ** sphery hates the new "You have to join mythtvtalk.com" popup ** | |
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| [20:17:14] | wagnerrp: | oh, so you just use something other than the Bob deint and that fixes it? |
| [20:17:21] | sphery: | TTBOMK, yes |
| [20:17:28] | sphery: | so change playback profile group to Slim |
| [20:17:39] | sphery: | or basically anything except CPU<whatever> |
| [20:17:50] | sphery: | I didn't read the posts, though |
| [20:18:10] | wagnerrp: | certain channels displayed twice, one on top of the other |
| [20:18:11] | sphery: | (didn't feel like disabling javascript so I could actually see the screen behind the popup) |
| [20:18:19] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [20:18:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro came to the rescue with the javascript tip |
| [20:21:51] | gbee: | he's welcome |
| [20:22:03] | wagnerrp: | passed on, thanks |
| [20:22:40] | bbc581: | has anyone seen a temporary workaround for Channel Scanner – Analog channel scanning fixed (http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23657) for mythtv-frontend-0.22–22890.4mdv2010.1 I'm using kernel 2.6.33 |
| [20:22:55] | wagnerrp: | upgrade to 0.23 |
| [20:23:24] | sphery: | +1 on the recommendation to upgrade |
| [20:23:28] | sphery: | 0.23-fixes |
| [20:23:30] | wagnerrp: | temporary AND permanent |
| [20:23:45] | sphery: | and fixes a whole bunch of other issues |
| [20:24:31] | ** sphery is glad that quilt reset isn't a command (especially one that throws away your series/patches) ** | |
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| [20:26:25] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i set up a frontend for beirdo to play with over vnc to get his weather grabber working |
| [20:26:40] | wagnerrp: | but mythweather keeps segfaulting going into the screen to configure the grabbers |
| [20:27:36] | ** sphery hopes it isn't the comboboxes change he put in ** | |
| [20:27:44] | wagnerrp: | how recent? |
| [20:27:57] | iamlindoro: | that screen is MythUI |
| [20:27:59] | iamlindoro: | so it's not |
| [20:28:00] | sphery: | 23803 |
| [20:28:05] | sphery: | good |
| [20:28:12] | wagnerrp: | no, same behavior on 750-something |
| [20:28:17] | sphery: | was going to say, maybe I should have bumped binary version. |
| [20:28:50] | sphery: | I didn't check mismatched plugins with it |
| [20:29:02] | sphery: | might actually cause some issues (but I don't think it would...) |
| [20:30:22] | gbee: | did it touch a header? |
| [20:32:03] | sphery: | it did change settings.h |
| [20:32:15] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23803 |
| [20:32:24] | sphery: | should I bump it |
| [20:33:05] | gbee: | yeah |
| [20:33:09] | sphery: | ok, thanks |
| [20:33:19] | sphery: | didn't even think about it 'til wagnerrp's comment |
| [20:34:40] | gbee: | probably unrelated to his crashing, but since it changes the public API of libmyth it should include a version bump |
| [20:35:10] | wagnerrp: | seems it crashing trying to load the busypopup when doing the script scan |
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| [20:38:13] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [20:42:29] | donDTF: | why do the backends/frontends care about timezone differences |
| [20:42:51] | donDTF: | annoying they cant just figure it out :) |
| [20:44:53] | gbee: | submit the patch and they can |
| [20:45:23] | gbee: | but since your backend and frontend are in the same timezone, it shouldn't be a huge problem |
| [20:45:41] | gbee: | wagnerrp: opening a ticket? |
| [20:45:54] | wagnerrp: | sure, i can if you want |
| [20:46:07] | Beirdo: | heh, unless you live right on the timezone line... and one box is on either side |
| [20:46:09] | donDTF: | they're in the same time zone, but one was America\New_York (osx) and the backend was EST5EDT (gentoo) |
| [20:46:21] | donDTF: | same timezone, different name, complain complain ;p |
| [20:46:48] | Beirdo: | so change the Gentoo |
| [20:46:58] | donDTF: | i did, fixed |
| [20:47:08] | donDTF: | to obad thats not the video problem on the desktop though |
| [20:47:16] | donDTF: | osx client now works though which is nice |
| [20:49:15] | clever: | gbee: i once had the frontend and backend in different timezones |
| [20:49:25] | clever: | the frontend was connecting over a VPN thru the web |
| [20:49:52] | gbee: | but as you well know, that's an unsupported configuration |
| [20:50:07] | clever: | yeah, i had to abuse how the master backend ip is stored to make it work |
| [20:50:18] | clever: | instead of setting the masterip for null host (global) i set it for 1 host |
| [20:50:28] | clever: | so it would see a diff ip (vpn one) for the master |
| [20:50:54] | clever: | biggest problem was the bandwidth/delay |
| [20:51:01] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [20:51:13] | Beirdo: | one of the many reasons it's unsupported |
| [20:51:22] | clever: | had to transfer the files over to a local slave ahead of time, which took 4–5 hours for a 1h file |
| [20:51:36] | clever: | never doing it again! |
| [20:54:18] | wagnerrp: | gbee: ok, ticketed... dont consider it high priority, since it only seems to happen on FreeBSD, and i dont typically run a frontend on that machine |
| [20:54:38] | wagnerrp: | (i doubt just about anyone else does either) |
| [20:54:54] | clever: | how is support for mythfrontend on a sun/sparc system? |
| [20:55:39] | gbee: | doesn't compile, no intention to try and fix either |
| [20:56:10] | gbee: | who has a sparc machine outside of a data centre? |
| [20:56:13] | clever: | because of the os or CPU? |
| [20:56:56] | clever: | i think i have 4 sparc's here, does that make me a datacenter? |
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| [20:57:59] | gbee: | no comment |
| [20:58:26] | clever: | so, are the compile problems because of the usual os, or the cpu arch? |
| [20:59:03] | wagnerrp: | probably both |
| [21:00:00] | clever: | sounds like a fun project then |
| [21:00:44] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you would intend to do with it |
| [21:00:55] | clever: | watch tv |
| [21:01:01] | wagnerrp: | too slow |
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| [21:02:55] | clever: | bbl |
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| [21:12:18] | ** sphery hates that users think, "Once written, code is free." ** | |
| [21:12:46] | wagnerrp: | well sure its free... |
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| [21:12:48] | iamlindoro: | s/written/written by someone else/ |
| [21:12:54] | wagnerrp: | ... unless are you expecting it to continue working too? |
| [21:12:56] | sphery: | It's Free, it's not free. |
| [21:13:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, I stand corrected... :) |
| [21:13:39] | sphery: | and, yeah, the "by someone else" is definitely an important part of their thinking, too |
| [21:14:13] | iamlindoro: | Oh they might write it... but then it'll be a bash script that "really needs to be included as a mythtv feature" |
| [21:14:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:14:39] | sphery: | Or a bash script "That serves as a prototype so someone (else) can do it right." |
| [21:14:40] | wagnerrp: | well now beirdo has a fully functional frontend to play with |
| [21:14:59] | wagnerrp: | hopefully he can figure out what the yr.no grabber is missing for it to be recognized by mythweather |
| [21:15:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:16:04] | Beirdo: | something odd going on there, it seems |
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| [21:16:55] | sphery: | did he include the super-secret code encrypted with the official mythtv private key? |
| [21:18:09] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [21:18:32] | Beirdo: | my work laptop has 45min battery left |
| [21:18:50] | Beirdo: | not bad... I put it in max savings, and let it go to suspend when not using it |
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| [21:20:13] | wagnerrp: | bleh... the script loader and image loader both run off VB_FILE |
| [21:21:11] | sphery: | so, a null MythScreenStack in that MythWeather backtrace... |
| [21:21:30] | wagnerrp: | dont ask me how that happened |
| [21:24:49] | sphery: | gbee: is this right? Seems the only place with something != "popup stack" || "main stack" -> mythplugins/mythweather/mythweather/sourceManager.cpp:93: MythScreenStack *popupStack = GetMythMainWindow()->GetStack("weather stack"); |
| [21:25:39] | iamlindoro: | We just recently made mythweather screenstack changes |
| [21:25:58] | iamlindoro: | would be worth checking out the very recent history there |
| [21:27:51] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23734/tr . . . /mythweather |
| [21:28:02] | wagnerrp: | well the 'solution' was to just /* */ that whole popup block, and it works besides that |
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| [21:28:49] | wagnerrp: | failed in the same manner on 23758 |
| [21:29:14] | sphery: | yeah, likely related to the one iamlindoro pointed out |
| [21:29:30] | wagnerrp: | want me to reverse and rebuild? |
| [21:29:53] | ** iamlindoro is guessing it's the loss of "while (m_weatherStack->TotalScreens() > 0) " ** | |
| [21:29:55] | sphery: | what line of code is yours failing on |
| [21:30:10] | sphery: | or save that, what svn revision was the backtrace from? |
| [21:30:23] | wagnerrp: | something from today |
| [21:30:26] | wagnerrp: | ...23815 |
| [21:31:00] | sphery: | likely popupStack->AddScreen(busyPopup, false); line |
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| [21:32:12] | sphery: | so how is a stack properly created? |
| [21:32:13] | Beirdo: | yeah that was the crash line |
| [21:33:11] | sphery: | Yeah, we're definitely missing a new MythScreenStack(mainWindow, "popup stack"); for weather stack |
| [21:33:41] | sphery: | wonder if paul-h had some change that didn't get included in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23734 |
| [21:35:09] | sphery: | though paul just applied a patch from Jonatan |
| [21:35:47] | sphery: | OK, guess now... |
| [21:35:51] | sphery: | guess not |
| [21:36:07] | sphery: | I mis-grep'ed |
| [21:36:53] | gbee: | sphery: it's correct that mythweather has it's own stack, that's so we can cycle through the screens in the way we do there |
| [21:37:15] | sphery: | yeah... I just didn't see the line that created the weather stack. Sorry for the noise. |
| [21:37:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how are you getting to setup? |
| [21:37:39] | gbee: | fwiw 23734 wasn't my preferred fix for that bug |
| [21:37:58] | wagnerrp: | utilities -> setup -> information -> weather setup -> screens setup |
| [21:38:00] | sphery: | have you tried both MENU inside mythweather and going through Utilities/Setup |
| [21:38:11] | wagnerrp: | only the latter |
| [21:38:25] | gbee: | the better fix would have been to ensure the weather stack was created under the popup stack |
| [21:38:46] | sphery: | it looks like the patch in #8169 (23734) was assuming that you'd already be inside MythWeather |
| [21:41:02] | wagnerrp: | popup works fine from the information center |
| [21:41:18] | wagnerrp: | it only segfaults through utilities/setup |
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| [21:46:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweath . . . _stack.patch "fixes" it (but continues the wrong approach, versus redoing it with gbee's approach) |
| [21:46:57] | sphery: | I'd be happy to do it gbee's way, but I don't know how to make a stack under a stack... |
| [21:48:21] | kormoc: | If you set a stack of paper on a stack of paper, is it two stacks of paper or a single one? |
| [21:48:50] | sphery: | These are stacks of screens... Like a big pile of CRT's in a river bed. |
| [21:49:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I think one would normal just return if !popupStack |
| [21:49:14] | iamlindoro: | er normally |
| [21:49:23] | iamlindoro: | There's probably some precedent for that |
| [21:49:53] | sphery: | well the problem is that we only create the weather stack when the plugin starts, so if we're in setup, we don't have that stack |
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| [21:50:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well with the patch, its not crashing |
| [21:50:23] | wagnerrp: | although i didnt see a busy dialog either |
| [21:50:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery, right, but the busy dialog isn't all that critical |
| [21:50:35] | sphery: | so, as gbee said, the problem with the patch from #8169 is that it creates a whole new stack |
| [21:50:58] | wagnerrp: | it may have just gone through too fast for me to notice (since im using VNC) |
| [21:51:03] | sphery: | how would I go about: <+gbee> the better fix would have been to ensure the weather stack was created under the popup stack |
| [21:51:25] | sphery: | so redoing #8169 |
| [21:51:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it might just confuse the users a bit if the UI is unresponsive for a couple seconds scanning for scripts |
| [21:51:49] | iamlindoro: | could just revert for now, since it was a silly thing to open a bug on anyway |
| [21:51:49] | wagnerrp: | a trivial bug |
| [21:52:12] | gbee: | sphery: my suggestion was to modify AddStack() to take an int which would be used for sorting the stacklist, popup would say use a value of 10, main stack 0 and other stacks a value in between |
| [21:52:28] | sphery: | oh, so that's a pretty big change for 0.23 |
| [21:53:35] | sphery: | so, maybe http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweath . . . _stack.patch or just don't do the popup (which is basically putting all the popup creation in SourceManager::findScripts() into the same if (popupStack == NULL) |
| [21:53:44] | sphery: | gbee: ^^^ which would be your preference? |
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| [21:54:26] | gbee: | well it's not a one-liner, small API change, so if you're not comfortable doing that so close to a release then the patch is fine |
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| [21:54:56] | iamlindoro: | We can put in the fix, leave the ticket open and bump to .24 |
| [21:55:00] | sphery: | I wasn't sure if API changes post rc were a good idea |
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| [21:55:07] | iamlindoro: | (suggestion, not a demand) :) |
| [21:55:42] | dan0: | i'm in need of a little advice....i've checked the mailinglist for anything pertaining to my particular question but have found nothing specific. i currently have a backend/frontend running perfectly and am trying to setup a frontend using ubuntu. i keep getting the error message "could not connect to the master backend". however, using MySQL admin I can connect to the database, i have tried both the local network IP and my "real" ip, |
| [21:55:42] | dan0: | and i can ssh into the machine. am I missing something obvious here? |
| [21:55:57] | sphery: | has *buntu picked the rev that will go into 10.04, yet? |
| [21:57:01] | sphery: | dan0: connecting to the master backend usually means you need to ensure you have the Security PIN (in mythtv-setup) specified and have appropriate config.xml/mysql.txt files |
| [21:57:09] | wagnerrp: | they have picked up the 0.23-fixes branch |
| [21:57:16] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what revision theyre running |
| [21:57:35] | t1ger: | dan0: Are you sure mythbackend is running ? |
| [21:57:46] | t1ger: | and bound. |
| [21:57:51] | sphery: | yeah, just thinking if they've already chosen the rev, then changing api would be more trouble than if they haven't |
| [21:58:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I hope they haven't, really hope we can squeeze an actual Myth release into their next release |
| [21:58:55] | sphery: | that would be so nice |
| [21:59:14] | sphery: | instead of constantly having to tell users that they need to upgrade to a post-release version |
| [21:59:27] | iamlindoro: | Timing seems to line up better with their fall release, even if we fall a bit behind on the next one |
| [21:59:31] | janneg: | then is the ubuntu release? end of april? |
| [21:59:48] | iamlindoro: | janneg, yeah, I think they have a package freeze early next month |
| [22:00:40] | iamlindoro: | Looks like April 1 for the Beta 2 Freeze, April 15 for their final freeze, but I'm not sure which one means last updates to the myth package |
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| [22:09:12] | clever: | i'm seeing something strange here |
| [22:09:26] | clever: | when i clear the OSD with backspace, it leaves a bit of a ghost where it was |
| [22:09:40] | clever: | it looks like an mpeg artifacts, but the shape matches up too well |
| [22:09:59] | wagnerrp: | sounds like screen memory |
| [22:10:06] | wagnerrp: | ive got an LCD that does that pretty bad |
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| [22:10:27] | clever: | yeah, this is an lcd hdtv |
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| [22:10:49] | clever: | is this something a 120hz lcd tv would do less? |
| [22:10:56] | wagnerrp: | the apple IPSs we have at work are horrible for that |
| [22:11:07] | clever: | this is a sony |
| [22:11:50] | clever: | the sound system is also sony, so i'm able to turn it on/off via the hdmi |
| [22:12:04] | clever: | which reminds me, what does it take for a desktop system to do that? |
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| [22:15:07] | ComradeHaz`: | hello all. Never used MythTV before so please bear with me. I've used some guides I've found around the place and I think I now have a working install, but the main thing I have set it up to try out is the playback of stored DVD ISO's. Alas I cannot work out how to get them to show up in the library, let alone play them. Please could I have a spot of advice? |
| [22:15:29] | kormoc: | Have you installed mythvideo? It is a plugin for mythfrontend |
| [22:16:01] | ComradeHaz`: | I don't think so.... let's see |
| [22:16:19] | ComradeHaz`: | OK, I have now :) |
| [22:16:49] | kormoc: | okay, if you go to wiki.mythtv.org and search for mythvideo, it should have instructions on setting it up and all that jazz |
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| [22:16:55] | kormoc: | that should walk you though getting it working |
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| [22:20:07] | ComradeHaz`: | coolio, thanks |
| [22:20:18] | wagnerrp: | note that if you want to use ISOs, you cannot currently use storage groups in mythvideo |
| [22:20:29] | ComradeHaz`: | Oh? |
| [22:20:36] | ComradeHaz`: | what do I need to fdo then? |
| [22:20:38] | kormoc: | if they're not local, no? |
| [22:20:48] | kormoc: | it's just streaming that's broken? |
| [22:20:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: no, period |
| [22:20:54] | kormoc: | huh |
| [22:21:01] | wagnerrp: | you have to use local access to do those |
| [22:21:08] | wagnerrp: | if theyre in a storage group, it wont work |
| [22:21:14] | wagnerrp: | even if the files are available locally |
| [22:21:19] | kormoc: | weird |
| [22:21:22] | ComradeHaz`: | I told it where all my ISO's were (I put that in the video files location field) and it doesn't seem to see them |
| [22:21:30] | kormoc: | shows how often I use it |
| [22:21:30] | wagnerrp: | have you scanned |
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| [22:21:37] | ComradeHaz`: | how do I scan? |
| [22:21:42] | wagnerrp: | on the page |
| [22:21:51] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo |
| [22:21:55] | iamlindoro: | all will be revealed |
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| [22:22:47] | ** kormoc cues twilight zone music ** | |
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| [22:23:20] | iamlindoro: | Do not adjust your CRT (get an LCD instead). We control the horizontal, and the vertical. We are themers, and your settings don't work anymore. |
| [22:24:41] | ComradeHaz`: | "When you add new videos to your storage directories, you can trigger a scan from any MythVideo view by choosing MENU->Scan For Changes. " How exactly do I do this? |
| [22:24:59] | ComradeHaz`: | How do I get the menu? |
| [22:25:09] | wagnerrp: | 'm' == menu |
| [22:25:27] | ComradeHaz`: | ahhhhhh |
| [22:25:31] | ComradeHaz`: | squeeee |
| [22:25:39] | iamlindoro: | Which is specifically not spelled out in the page since you decide what keys are bound to which functions |
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| [22:29:09] | gbee: | or right click ... unless I never committed that patch ... starting to think I didn't |
| [22:29:46] | ComradeHaz`: | wow |
| [22:29:47] | benomatic: | any thoughts on a good monitor/tv combo type thing? big enough to be a smallish tv, but not too big to sit on a small coffee table or something? (maybe a 24" or 27" widescreen?) |
| [22:29:48] | ComradeHaz`: | this is nice |
| [22:30:09] | kormoc: | benomatic: samsung |
| [22:30:11] | ComradeHaz`: | I assume there's a way to make thumbnails for all the iso's? |
| [22:30:21] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: look up JAMU in the wiki |
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| [22:30:41] | iamlindoro: | Or more expediently, just highlight something and press W |
| [22:30:55] | ** iamlindoro kinda wishes we didn't just throw people at Jamu first thing ** | |
| [22:31:32] | benomatic: | kormoc: why the samsung? do you have one? |
| [22:31:38] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: do you have a 'grab all' in MV? |
| [22:31:46] | kormoc: | benomatic: sure, a 23", it's just a awesome tv |
| [22:32:05] | ComradeHaz`: | what would pressing 'w' do? |
| [22:32:11] | ComradeHaz`: | (I get no matches found) |
| [22:32:18] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: does a meta data lookup for that specific video |
| [22:32:27] | iamlindoro: | including downloading iamgery |
| [22:32:30] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: it has to be named well for it to work |
| [22:32:36] | iamlindoro: | assuming the files are named something appropriate |
| [22:32:42] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm? |
| [22:33:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I always figure the first import jamu would be faster then hitting w on each video one at a time, unless I'm mistaken? |
| [22:33:04] | iamlindoro: | give us the name of the file you're trying to look up |
| [22:33:04] | ComradeHaz`: | So if there's a gif or somesuch of the same name as an ISO it will display it? |
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| [22:33:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, If it takes you an hour to set up Jamu vs five minutes of pressing W, for a small to medium sized library, W is faster (IMO) |
| [22:33:57] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [22:34:00] | iamlindoro: | also does things in slightly different ways that sometimes produces better results |
| [22:34:50] | wagnerrp: | ComradeHaz`: not exactly, you have to define images to use in the database through the UI, or run the grabber scripts and let them be pulled for you |
| [22:36:12] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm? |
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| [22:37:02] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo will not automatically search for images you may have scattered around |
| [22:37:18] | wagnerrp: | it will only display images defined in the metadata stored in the database |
| [22:37:46] | wagnerrp: | which either you have to edit it through the UI and set manually, or you can run the grabber scripts and have new imagery pulled from themoviedb.org |
| [22:37:47] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm, well I see it displays a directory image if I put one in a directory |
| [22:37:48] | gbee: | ComradeHaz`: Menu > Metadata OPtions > Edit Metadata – there you will be able to search for and define images to use for the selected file |
| [22:38:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, that is the limit of the image search it does |
| [22:40:17] | gbee: | but if these are commercial Films or TV series DVDs, then as wagnerrp suggests, the downloaded images might be better – Info > Metadata Options > Manually Enter Title (manual search) |
| [22:40:22] | gbee: | Info = i |
| [22:41:14] | gbee: | if the files were named appropriately e.g. "The_Dark_Knight.iso" the automatic search would work |
| [22:41:30] | iamlindoro: | if, however, you took the five fingered discount... |
| [22:41:55] | iamlindoro: | TDK_BLURAY_2009_aXX0.torrent.xVid.etc.etc.etc. |
| [22:42:01] | iamlindoro: | Then I'll give you the one fingered salute |
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| [22:42:33] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [22:42:53] | iamlindoro: | there, now I smiled, which makes anything one says light hearted, I learned that on the users list |
| [22:43:04] | RyeBrye: | *$##@#@!&*#@ you :) |
| [22:43:12] | ComradeHaz`: | [22:40:17] <+gbee> but if these are commercial Films or TV series DVDs, then as wagnerrp suggests, the downloaded images might be better – Info > Metadata Options > Manually Enter Title (manual search) <---- I can't see how to do this |
| [22:43:26] | wagnerrp: | ComradeHaz`: just hit 'w' |
| [22:43:41] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: what version of myth? |
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| [22:43:46] | nutron: | iamlindoro: you should set that as the /topic |
| [22:43:49] | ComradeHaz`: | [22:43:26] <+wagnerrp> ComradeHaz`: just hit 'w' <--- no matches found |
| [22:43:59] | wagnerrp: | what film? |
| [22:44:06] | wagnerrp: | specifically, what filename |
| [22:44:09] | kormoc: | <iamlindoro> give us the name of the file you're trying to look up |
| [22:44:24] | ** iamlindoro checks ammo ** | |
| [22:44:24] | kormoc: | Hey, I have a great idea, let's copy and paste the last 10 minutes one line at a time! |
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| [22:46:12] | ComradeHaz`: | Oh, ok, so some it recognises, but it doesn't give me any thumbnails :/ |
| [22:46:36] | wagnerrp: | if it recognized them, and doesnt give you imagery, then there is no imagery to be had on themoviedb.org |
| [22:46:38] | ComradeHaz`: | Mullholland Drive and The Birds are 2 of note I have tried |
| [22:46:51] | iamlindoro: | or the image directories don't exist |
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| [22:47:37] | wagnerrp: | its 'Mulholland Drive' |
| [22:47:51] | ComradeHaz`: | it found it from teh dvd name |
| [22:47:55] | wagnerrp: | themoviedb is not very good at fuzzy names |
| [22:47:55] | ComradeHaz`: | typo was my bad |
| [22:47:57] | iamlindoro: | and both exist at the metadata source |
| [22:48:19] | iamlindoro: | with fanart and covereart |
| [22:49:10] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm |
| [22:49:11] | ComradeHaz`: | right |
| [22:49:22] | ComradeHaz`: | I think I need to roll this out in my living room :D |
| [22:49:34] | ComradeHaz`: | any suggestions for remote controls? |
| [22:50:07] | gbee: | MCE Remote kit |
| [22:50:12] | kormoc: | if money's not a issue, logitech harmony, else Microsoft mceusb2 |
| [22:50:17] | gbee: | hands down the best remote for the money |
| [22:51:20] | gbee: | and the very fact that we'd recommend a Microsoft product, designed for use with a competing media centre should be an indication just how good it is |
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| [22:57:03] | gbee: | ComradeHaz`: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes << IMHO you want either http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 ,#3 or at a pinch http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 |
| [22:57:06] | gbee: | crap |
| [22:57:16] | gbee: | that's number 2, 3 or 4 |
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| [22:57:49] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [22:58:46] | iamlindoro: | 2–4 are hard to find these days, I guard my jealously |
| [22:58:49] | iamlindoro: | er mine |
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| [22:59:27] | kormoc: | same here, I have a #3 and wish I had another two |
| [22:59:29] | kormoc: | just in case |
| [22:59:47] | iamlindoro: | I have three, with two in use and the third as a spare |
| [22:59:50] | gbee: | yeah, so it seems, some lookalike ones on ebay which are supposedly shipped with Dell machines, something not quite right about them but still if that's all you can find |
| [23:00:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any of those |
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| [23:00:21] | gbee: | I've a number 2, and likewise wish I'd bought more at the time |
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| [23:02:45] | ** Beirdo pokes kormoc ** | |
| [23:02:55] | Beirdo: | shouldn't you be getting durnk? |
| [23:03:02] | kormoc: | no? |
| [23:03:08] | kormoc: | should I be? |
| [23:03:20] | Beirdo: | it's Friday |
| [23:03:26] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [23:03:32] | Beirdo: | oh wait.. only 4pm for you :) |
| [23:03:40] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [23:03:40] | iamlindoro: | and thus ends in "y", and therefore ends in getting drunk! |
| [23:03:56] | Beirdo: | yeah. and after noon. |
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| [23:07:51] | ComradeHaz`: | uh |
| [23:08:05] | ComradeHaz`: | withregard remotes, what do you mean by the numbers |
| [23:08:12] | ComradeHaz`: | (2, 3, 4)? |
| [23:08:24] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: from left to right |
| [23:09:00] | ComradeHaz`: | ok, and what have the tickets got to do with it? |
| [23:09:17] | kormoc: | nothing, they were a mistake |
| [23:09:28] | kormoc: | he was just saying that remotes #2, 3, and 4 were pretty popular |
| [23:09:42] | ComradeHaz`: | ok, thanks |
| [23:09:47] | ComradeHaz`: | thought I was going mad :D |
| [23:10:34] | ComradeHaz`: | is there a list of recommended or recommended against hardware |
| [23:10:52] | ComradeHaz`: | and do you guys suggest a particular base OS? |
| [23:11:12] | kormoc: | not really, not really, and use whatever you know/like best |
| [23:11:23] | ComradeHaz`: | furry :D |
| [23:11:40] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: but a few to check out LinHES, Mythdora, Mythbuntu |
| [23:11:57] | kormoc: | predone myth-centric flavors of some popular distros |
| [23:12:01] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm, I suppose I could go down that route |
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| [23:12:23] | ComradeHaz`: | fwiw all my linux boxes are debian |
| [23:12:57] | Rigor_M: | I use MythBuntu and it works great |
| [23:13:10] | Rigor_M: | also had one on Gentoo |
| [23:13:14] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm, I'll set it downloading before I go to bed :D |
| [23:13:17] | npm: | speaking of remotes: http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net/Â . . . Acirc; — just fired it up and it would be useful for controlling myth too imho (if midi were supported) |
| [23:13:40] | ComradeHaz`: | link dead :) |
| [23:13:42] | clever: | this is odd, ive got dvi->hdmi->hdtv, and the 'black' bg on the linux console has a hint of green to it |
| [23:13:47] | npm: | hold on |
| [23:13:47] | clever: | it almost looks like a crt |
| [23:13:56] | npm: | http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net |
| [23:14:04] | npm: | http://qmidinet.sourceforge.net/ |
| [23:14:20] | ComradeHaz`: | oh |
| [23:14:21] | ComradeHaz`: | my |
| [23:14:22] | ComradeHaz`: | good |
| [23:14:23] | ComradeHaz`: | god |
| [23:14:26] | kormoc: | have it speak telnet and all is well |
| [23:14:28] | ComradeHaz`: | SQUEEE :D |
| [23:14:45] | ComradeHaz`: | npm, that has made me very overexcited |
| [23:14:53] | npm: | just need a spare nokia 900 around |
| [23:14:57] | npm: | (wish i had one) |
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| [23:15:07] | ComradeHaz`: | yer :/ |
| [23:15:20] | npm: | or any netbook |
| [23:15:26] | kormoc: | ComradeHaz`: are you a sheldon comic fan? |
| [23:15:47] | ComradeHaz`: | uh, never heard of it |
| [23:15:50] | ComradeHaz`: | Why? |
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| [23:16:11] | kormoc: | the lizard in it goes SQUEEE all the time in joy |
| [23:16:13] | npm: | i also have my behringer sliders controlling my tc electronics finalizer... audio heaven |
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| [23:16:14] | kormoc: | just reminded me of it |
| [23:16:24] | ComradeHaz`: | hehe I see |
| [23:16:36] | npm: | also good for mythtv... myth needs a studio mastering processor built in :-) |
| [23:16:46] | ComradeHaz`: | hmm |
| [23:17:04] | wagnerrp: | what doesnt... |
| [23:17:11] | npm: | i have buttons assigned to all sorts of difft useful compressor/expander presets |
| [23:17:18] | ComradeHaz`: | the biggest brick wall I have is that all my TV comes in via satelite to a 'Sky' box |
| [23:17:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: everything I own? |
| [23:17:35] | npm: | which can make everything sound like a commercial, so you don't notice the commercials as much :-) |
| [23:17:38] | ComradeHaz`: | dunno where you guys are, but that's the major satelite provider over here in the UK |
| [23:17:48] | ComradeHaz`: | and of course it's covered in DRM |
| [23:18:08] | wagnerrp: | ComradeHaz`: so get a PVR-150 or HDPVR, and capture off their box |
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| [23:18:28] | ComradeHaz`: | well, yer, sure, but I can't use planners and stuff |
| [23:18:36] | wagnerrp: | planners and stuff? |
| [23:18:48] | ComradeHaz`: | ie use Myth as a full PVR |
| [23:18:56] | kormoc: | why not? |
| [23:18:56] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [23:19:14] | ComradeHaz`: | because I only have the sat feed to that box |
| [23:19:15] | wagnerrp: | aww... MythLogBot says you win |
| [23:19:17] | AndyCap: | ComradeHaz`: you could get the guidedata from xmltv, and have a channelchanger through ir or something |
| [23:19:21] | kormoc: | myth can control the box via irblasters, firewire, serial, etc |
| [23:19:39] | ComradeHaz`: | :O |
| [23:20:10] | ComradeHaz`: | alternatively, I could just figure out how to hack it :D |
| [23:20:48] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Terms_of_Service_. . . . e_Violations |
| [23:21:10] | ComradeHaz`: | :D |
| [23:21:16] | ComradeHaz`: | I was joking |
| [23:21:27] | iamlindoro: | Experience my amusement |
| [23:21:32] | ComradeHaz`: | I doubt one would get far |
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| [23:23:29] | kormoc: | We don't support one even attempting, so... |
| [23:23:44] | Beirdo: | hey, iamlindoro... I may have some mythweather theme changes for ya... |
| [23:23:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:24:06] | Beirdo: | every page should have the copyright info on it |
| [23:24:18] | ComradeHaz`: | Don't worry, it was a genuine joke |
| [23:24:19] | Beirdo: | not just "current conditions" |
| [23:25:16] | ** iamlindoro chose to make them invisible ** | |
| [23:25:19] | iamlindoro: | No like |
| [23:25:27] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [23:25:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:25:32] | Beirdo: | ToS, dude |
| [23:25:35] | Rigor_M: | Is there a apps that replaces the one for fetching the movie title for canada ? (using postal code instead of the zipcode) |
| [23:25:53] | kormoc: | Rigor_M: what? |
| [23:25:56] | Beirdo: | I don't like em either, but we violate ToS of yr.no at least if they aren't visible :) |
| [23:26:20] | Rigor_M: | in the movie module, there a perl apps to fetch the movie title right ? |
| [23:26:44] | wagnerrp: | movie module? |
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| [23:26:48] | kormoc: | Is there a Canadian source we can grab from legally? |
| [23:26:49] | wagnerrp: | MythMovies? |
| [23:26:53] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: mythmovietimes |
| [23:27:09] | joe (joe!~jsauer@24-113-205-221.wavecable.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | |
| [23:27:13] | wagnerrp: | that just shows when movies will be showing at your local theater |
| [23:27:34] | kormoc: | yup, and there's no canadian grabber for it afaik cause there's no legal sources for us to use |
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| [23:27:44] | Rigor_M: | yeah, sorry, forgot there was one to watch movies.. I mean the one to get the schedule for local movie theaters |
| [23:27:57] | Rigor_M: | kormoc ok, thats why |
| [23:28:04] | Rigor_M: | thanks for the info. |
| [23:28:15] | Beirdo: | we could keep looking, of course :) |
| [23:28:17] | kormoc: | g'luck on your search |
| [23:28:26] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont know why we have the one we do |
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| [23:28:37] | wagnerrp: | its some company in some little berg in central kentucky |
| [23:28:41] | Rigor_M: | not that important to me but it could of been fun to use. |
| [23:28:41] | kormoc: | oh noes! It's da boss! |
| [23:28:48] | wagnerrp: | its like they put it up for a demo or something |
| [23:29:04] | Beirdo: | run away! |
| [23:29:13] | ** Beirdo pokes joe ** | |
| [23:29:16] | Beirdo: | beer? |
| [23:29:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:29:25] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 PRO AGP [Radeon HD 3650] |
| [23:29:25] | clever: | would this card need the fglrx driver? |
| [23:29:55] | Beirdo: | clever: I'm sure that info is on xorg's site |
| [23:29:58] | kormoc: | You know, I've had a larger then average number of bosses that hang out here |
| [23:30:06] | clever: | xorg is using vesa by default |
| [23:30:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [23:30:54] | clever: | i know |
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| [23:31:04] | ** joe pokes Beirdo back ;P ** | |
| [23:31:30] | joe: | damn I could use a beer w/ a bourbon chaser right about now ;P |
| [23:31:42] | Beirdo: | that would be good |
| [23:32:00] | Beirdo: | rough week? |
| [23:32:31] | joe: | sorta just busy and loads of catchup...from being sick... |
| [23:32:40] | Beirdo: | sucky |
| [23:33:29] | squish102: | http://webcam.afrihost.com/images/webcam.jpeg |
| [23:34:28] | ** kormoc eyes squish102 ** | |
| [23:35:24] | clever: | Beirdo: with fglrx installed, 'X -configure' makes a much better looking default file |
| [23:35:46] | clever: | which still causes fatal errors |
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| [23:36:34] | clever: | hmmm |
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| [23:36:54] | squish102: | opps |
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| [23:39:13] | matmatmat (matmatmat!~mat@e181228235.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:39:17] | matmatmat: | hi |
| [23:39:31] | Beirdo: | ahhhh. 6 more workdays |
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| [23:43:05] | matmatmat: | can i use my tv cards built in ir-receiver and remote to control mythtv, even though i dont wanna even use that tv card otherwise? |
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| [23:43:24] | wagnerrp: | you can, why dont you want to use it? |
| [23:43:28] | wagnerrp: | some old framegrabber card? |
| [23:44:00] | matmatmat: | its a usb card, dvb-t/analogue tv or so |
| [23:44:03] | matmatmat: | pretty useless |
| [23:44:15] | wagnerrp: | sounds great for dvb-t |
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| [23:44:50] | matmatmat: | i can pick up like 8 channels via dvb-t |
| [23:45:19] | wagnerrp: | and theres nothing you want to record on those 8 channels? |
| [23:45:24] | matmatmat: | hehe no |
| [23:45:27] | matmatmat: | definitely not |
| [23:45:37] | matmatmat: | its only public channels |
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| [23:45:59] | kormoc: | so you pay for them but don't like the content |
| [23:47:43] | matmatmat: | nah, not really, but i can watch them on iptv with a higher bitrate. and i would mostly watch them live anyways, cause id watch them for news and maybe sports |
| [23:48:17] | matmatmat: | also i dont pay, but dont tell anyone |
| [23:48:51] | Beirdo: | *squawk* don't eat me! *squawk* |
| [23:49:46] | matmatmat: | hm shit, that usb stick is like 2km away, i thought its here |
| [23:49:47] | matmatmat: | :( |
| [23:50:00] | Beirdo: | !salmon matmatmat language |
| [23:50:00] | ** MythLogBot connects with the head of matmatmat with a language salmon on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [23:50:27] | matmatmat: | wait |
| [23:50:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah... that just doesnt work |
| [23:50:38] | matmatmat: | that doesnt make salmon |
| [23:51:12] | kormoc: | * MythLogBot smiles as the large language salmon connects with the head of matmatmat? |
| [23:51:47] | bjd: | man, this channel is way too uptight on language |
| [23:51:48] | matmatmat: | why would salmon have a large language with my head |
| [23:51:53] | Beirdo: | well, right now the order has to be target, adjective, originator |
| [23:52:06] | kormoc: | ooh right |
| [23:52:27] | Beirdo: | I will accept alternate wordings, I don't like that one anyways |
| [23:52:30] | wagnerrp: | !bork bork bork |
| [23:52:55] | matmatmat: | okay.. i will go pick up that softcamming usb stick |
| [23:52:57] | kormoc: | bjd: you're free to start your own #myth-filthy-mouth-orbitz-gum-recommended if you wish |
| [23:53:06] | kormoc: | matmatmat: banned topic |
| [23:53:10] | bjd: | nah, i don't swear |
| [23:53:21] | matmatmat: | kormoc: you didnt get the joke |
| [23:53:21] | bjd: | but "damn" isn't really a naughty word :P |
| [23:53:30] | Beirdo: | !trout matmatmat softcam?!! |
| [23:53:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps matmatmat with a softcam?!! trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [23:53:45] | matmatmat: | i liked the salmon better |
| [23:53:49] | Beirdo: | jeez. any more rules ya wanna break? |
| [23:53:51] | kormoc: | bjd: depends who you ask and that's not what he said |
| [23:54:15] | kormoc: | quality and quantify in rule breaking! |
| [23:54:37] | matmatmat: | quality up my softcam |
| [23:54:49] | kormoc: | don't push your luck... |
| [23:54:53] | ** kormoc eyes matmatmat ** | |
| [23:55:05] | ** Beirdo hands kormoc a boot ** | |
| [23:55:06] | wagnerrp: | usually people arent too proud about their cam being soft |
| [23:55:16] | bjd: | kormoc: shrug, not going to argue as I don't personally swear :) |
| [23:55:25] | kormoc: | Disappoints the ladies |
| [23:57:32] | matmatmat: | hm, where i come from ladies dont swear less |
| [23:57:40] | matmatmat: | be it quality or quantity |
| [23:57:49] | matmatmat: | or titty |
| [23:58:00] | iamlindoro: | Presumably they still prefer a firm cam, which is what they were referring to |
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| [23:58:27] | iamlindoro: | you're next! |
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| [23:58:57] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [23:59:02] | iamlindoro: | Feel free to push your luck some more |
| [23:59:16] | matmatmat: | wohoo |
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