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| [00:10:58] | k-man: | anyone remember the irc.cabi.net irc network? |
| [00:11:14] | oobe: | no i do not |
| [00:11:51] | k-man: | i think it was around 1995 that i used to log into it – primarily a linux discussion forum |
| [00:13:12] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [00:13:22] | oobe: | when did it die out |
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| [00:14:37] | k-man: | oobe: dunno really – a few years after that i think. They were a very secretive bunch, in fact, if anyone ever posted a link to the irc server on the internets, they had a task force that would leap into action to get the link removed |
| [00:14:59] | oobe: | wow |
| [00:15:15] | oobe: | sounds like they did more than linux discussion |
| [00:17:54] | oobe: | http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=94 . . . 9472&w=2 |
| [00:18:08] | kormoc: | they pirated gpl code! Copied it freely among the users! |
| [00:19:40] | k-man: | oobe: no, they weren't into piracy iirc |
| [00:19:45] | oobe: | lol |
| [00:19:46] | k-man: | just didn;t like newbiews |
| [00:19:48] | k-man: | newbies |
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| [00:20:23] | oobe: | that is most likely why it disbanded |
| [00:20:34] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [00:20:45] | k-man: | here's a reference to it: http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=94 . . . 9472&w=2 |
| [00:23:18] | Beirdo: | blargh |
| [00:23:19] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [00:23:31] | Beirdo: | time to try to make a new mythweather scraper or two |
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| [00:29:46] | Beirdo: | what the... |
| [00:30:04] | Beirdo: | yr.no says that there's a Puerto Rico in the Canary Islands |
| [00:30:14] | Beirdo: | but it knows nothing about the one in the Caribbean |
| [00:30:22] | Beirdo: | OOOOK. Silly Norway |
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| [00:31:12] | Beirdo: | oh, there it goes |
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| [00:32:50] | wagnerrp_: | ? |
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| [00:32:57] | Beirdo: | !trout freenode crappy network |
| [00:32:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps freenode with a crappy network trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
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| [00:33:14] | wagnerrp_: | yeah, it kicked me a few minutes ago, and for some reason didnt log me back in |
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| [00:34:23] | oobe: | . |
| [00:35:23] | Beirdo: | freenode: don't forget to wipe and flush after that massive dump. Thanks |
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| [00:38:18] | wagnerrp: | impressive... mediawiki handled two users simultaneously editing a single page without issue |
| [00:38:53] | Beirdo: | rejected both submissions as spam? :) |
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| [00:42:48] | sphery: | me & iamlindoro ? |
| [00:43:11] | sphery: | if so, it just ended up putting both are similar additions in |
| [00:43:38] | Beirdo: | heh :) I was being silly of course |
| [00:43:56] | sphery: | I actually would have preferred it rejecting mine |
| [00:44:07] | sphery: | since I had to revert it once I found out he'd already added it |
| [00:45:10] | ** Beirdo grumbles ** | |
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| [00:45:27] | Beirdo: | got a buttload of perl modules needing installed to use the mythweather scripts :) |
| [00:45:52] | Beirdo: | yet another thing build-deps didn't find |
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| [00:46:22] | sphery: | yeah, I'm pretty sure no one knows what's required for any of the mythweather scripts |
| [00:46:40] | Beirdo: | not that hard, really :) |
| [00:46:46] | Beirdo: | read em :) |
| [00:46:50] | Beirdo: | and weep |
| [00:46:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:49:09] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [00:49:14] | Beirdo: | I get how this works now |
| [00:49:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:50:05] | Beirdo: | Oooh, Chrome and auto-translate :) |
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| [00:54:14] | wagnerrp: | s/auto-translate/auto-change-words-into-other-incomprehensible-words/ |
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| [01:01:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:01:42] | Beirdo: | well, it just uses google translate |
| [01:01:57] | Beirdo: | which gives nasty output from Norwegian |
| [01:02:09] | Beirdo: | but, I'll live, it gets the idea across |
| [01:02:10] | sphery: | Chinese translation is much easier--just change the font. |
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| [01:05:31] | wagnerrp: | wasnt the Seagate firmware issue from around this time _last_ year? |
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| [01:08:54] | Beirdo: | OK, first roadblock :) |
| [01:09:00] | Beirdo: | searching for city name :) |
| [01:09:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [01:10:38] | Beirdo: | I guess I'll use HTTP::Mechanize |
| [01:10:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:12:06] | Beirdo: | or the like :) |
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| [01:29:13] | Wicked: | hmm. i cannot seem to get mythnetvision to work for me. |
| [01:29:55] | wagnerrp: | whats it (not) doing? |
| [01:29:59] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/d2sJG5iV |
| [01:30:22] | Wicked: | i search youtube for a video..it finds it..but when i goto play it..nothing plays |
| [01:30:23] | wagnerrp: | have you installed mythbrowser? |
| [01:30:28] | Wicked: | yea |
| [01:30:46] | iamlindoro: | Flash plugin missing or incorrectly installed |
| [01:30:51] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [01:31:00] | iamlindoro: | or wrong version of Qt |
| [01:31:05] | Wicked: | do i need to sym link it somewhere for mythtv to see it? |
| [01:31:30] | Wicked: | im using ubuntu 9.10 and everything is pretty much default |
| [01:31:35] | Wicked: | well regarding flash |
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| [01:34:53] | Wicked: | seems like it may be related to me using 64bit? alot of the things im seeing on google are 64bit...but for other applications |
| [01:39:38] | sphery: | If you have a 64-bit MythTV, you need a 64-bit flash plugin for MythBrowser |
| [01:40:01] | Wicked: | no 32bit hacks? |
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| [01:40:13] | Wicked: | i think ubuntu does the 32bit hacks with flash |
| [01:40:21] | sphery: | oh, that might work... |
| [01:40:24] | sphery: | I don't know |
| [01:40:37] | sphery: | (should work, but I've never tried) |
| [01:40:54] | Wicked: | yea. im not to sure either |
| [01:42:32] | wagnerrp: | FWIW, i read that as a snide remark too |
| [01:43:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Glad I'm not going crazy(ier) |
| [01:43:26] | Beirdo: | it seemed like a nice poke in the ribs... not in an appropriate venue to boot |
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| [01:55:57] | wagnerrp: | 'someone reported just this week that it can now play 24kbit/s audio on his system'.... just where are you going to get audio of that abysmally poor quality? |
| [01:56:19] | wagnerrp: | ive never even seen streaming radio that low |
| [01:56:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe some poor quality VOIP |
| [01:56:46] | kormoc: | or just bloody use alsa to resample, which is does extremely well... |
| [01:57:02] | kormoc: | why bother having multiple layers resample... |
| [01:57:02] | wagnerrp: | bitrate |
| [01:57:16] | wagnerrp: | not 24-bit, 24kbps |
| [01:57:28] | kormoc: | how does bitrate map to resampling? |
| [01:57:40] | Beirdo: | and if you need resample... why use ALSA to do it in the first place, why not libsox? |
| [01:57:55] | Beirdo: | way WAY more stable |
| [01:58:31] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [01:59:03] | iamlindoro: | It's good to have an audio dev who doesn't know the difference between bitrate and sampling rate |
| [01:59:14] | iamlindoro: | s/audio dev/"official" audio dev/ |
| [01:59:19] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [02:00:01] | kormoc: | yeah... |
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| [02:59:53] | iamlindoro: | You know what this night needs |
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| [02:59:55] | iamlindoro: | bacon |
| [03:00:03] | iamlindoro: | Alas, I have no salty pork belly |
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| [03:04:13] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [03:04:24] | Beirdo: | I have the -l part almost working right |
| [03:04:27] | iamlindoro: | So I'm baking a cake instead |
| [03:04:36] | Beirdo: | just need to set this up for UTF-8 output :) |
| [03:04:37] | sphery: | Beirdo: what about -v? |
| [03:04:43] | sphery: | that's where I normally start. |
| [03:04:45] | Beirdo: | my test case was Quebec |
| [03:04:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, I did -v first, of course :) |
| [03:05:15] | sphery: | good--that's the hardest part |
| [03:05:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:05:37] | sphery: | It's just like writing a GUI program. You have to first make the splash screen. Generally that's the first 2 months of development for me. |
| [03:06:36] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [03:06:51] | Beirdo: | Oh, I bet I need to ask the WEB server for UTF-8 |
| [03:06:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:06:58] | Beirdo: | que estupido |
| [03:08:05] | sphery: | Do you believe in UTF-8? |
| [03:08:18] | sphery: | It must have been destiny. |
| [03:08:26] | Beirdo: | I have to when getting data from Norway :) |
| [03:08:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:08:59] | Beirdo: | OK. -l works |
| [03:09:16] | Beirdo: | I hope there is a very large field for the location identifier in the db |
| [03:09:36] | Beirdo: | I will know presently |
| [03:10:03] | Beirdo: | BAH |
| [03:10:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:10:17] | Beirdo: | I never installed a mythconverg on the linode :) |
| [03:10:23] | Beirdo: | OK, let's read code. |
| [03:10:27] | wagnerrp: | you need one? |
| [03:10:51] | Beirdo: | kinda need to know the size of the fields in the mythweather schemas |
| [03:11:08] | Beirdo: | whereever the id is stored, etc |
| [03:11:22] | wagnerrp: | you mean just for now, not for the actual script |
| [03:11:37] | Beirdo: | well, to know that I'm not gonna overflow it :) |
| [03:11:42] | Beirdo: | info only :) |
| [03:12:29] | Beirdo: | here we go |
| [03:12:37] | wagnerrp: | bleh... pastebin is down again |
| [03:12:57] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/9qJZbRfa |
| [03:14:09] | Beirdo: | 64... yikes |
| [03:15:50] | sphery: | Nice, AT&T commercial showing some guy using his AT&T wireless internet to download powerpoint slides on an aircraft before takeoff... |
| [03:16:09] | sphery: | where no airline I've flown on allows you to use a computer before takeoff |
| [03:19:00] | kormoc: | sphery: ooh? as long as they're at the terminal, I don't recall being restricted about it |
| [03:19:49] | sphery: | Every airplane I've boarded has said it's never allowed--because they don't want people slowing down departure |
| [03:20:06] | sphery: | cell phones are allowed when the door is open |
| [03:20:21] | sphery: | but not computers |
| [03:20:59] | kormoc: | huh |
| [03:21:06] | Beirdo: | I think it depends on how stupid they are feeling that day |
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| [03:21:17] | Beirdo: | there is no REAL reason to not allow it |
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| [03:21:58] | Beirdo: | the wiring and avionics electronics is amply shielded.. otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to use it in flight either |
| [03:22:09] | sphery: | The main reason not to allow it is because people don't shut down when they're told to |
| [03:22:12] | Beirdo: | it's just stupid control issues |
| [03:22:26] | sphery: | there is that |
| [03:22:29] | Beirdo: | then kick their asses off the plane. NEXT |
| [03:22:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [03:22:36] | sphery: | after all, they now have wifi on airplanes |
| [03:22:40] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:22:55] | Beirdo: | but no, can't turn on cell phones... hehe |
| [03:22:57] | Beirdo: | whatever. |
| [03:22:58] | sphery: | though CMU did a really interesting study/report on electronics use on airplanes |
| [03:23:37] | Beirdo: | the cellphone network might hate you though, you'd be in range of hundreds at a time |
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| [03:23:46] | Beirdo: | hundreds of cells that is |
| [03:23:58] | Beirdo: | roam THIS |
| [03:24:27] | sphery: | http://www.cmu.edu/PR/releases06/060228_cellphone.html (being the media part, but the real report is a good read) |
| [03:25:11] | Beirdo: | I'll have to take a look later :) |
| [03:25:21] | sphery: | looking for the report |
| [03:25:22] | Beirdo: | OK, so... they store 64 characters for location |
| [03:25:59] | Beirdo: | that's not good enough for this |
| [03:26:05] | sphery: | basically, the conclusion was "things can and do happen, but not like they tell you they happen, so why make it more likely for things to happen" |
| [03:26:13] | Beirdo: | /place/Canada/Quebec/District_électoral_de_Petit-Québec/::District électoral de Petit-Québec |
| [03:26:24] | Beirdo: | ignore the UTF-8-ness |
| [03:26:34] | Beirdo: | up to the :: is the location (also the URL) |
| [03:26:50] | Beirdo: | I can strip the /place/ off the front, that's it |
| [03:27:21] | Beirdo: | I think if we are to use yr.no for weather, location will need to be increased in size for proper operation |
| [03:27:37] | Beirdo: | in weatherdatalayout |
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| [03:28:59] | sphery: | full article at: http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/u . . . any-airspeed |
| [03:30:30] | Beirdo: | but I'll finish my script, THEN we can worry about database mods later :) |
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| [03:34:30] | kormoc: | sphery: it's weird, my gps isn't affected by the tons of cells around it, or at least, they work around it, why can't the aircraft's? |
| [03:34:41] | sphery: | good question |
| [03:34:52] | Beirdo: | simple answer: they can |
| [03:35:10] | Beirdo: | and they are redundant |
| [03:35:29] | Beirdo: | there are more than one on the plane, should one fail even temporarily, there's alternate data sources |
| [03:35:30] | wagnerrp: | eeew... why so long |
| [03:35:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: the locations? |
| [03:35:47] | wagnerrp: | oh, you dont need after the :: part |
| [03:35:50] | Beirdo: | that's what they use |
| [03:36:05] | Beirdo: | after the :: is for the display when choosing one from the list |
| [03:36:05] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say, the locations i was looking at when i was investigating that page were nothing near that long |
| [03:36:17] | Beirdo: | before is what goes into the db, and is used to do lookups |
| [03:36:18] | kormoc: | and you can remove the /places/ |
| [03:36:26] | Beirdo: | yeah, I can remove /places/ |
| [03:36:35] | Beirdo: | but still, 64 will be cutting it rather close |
| [03:36:40] | Beirdo: | if not too short |
| [03:37:26] | wagnerrp: | bump it to 128, doubt anyone will care |
| [03:37:38] | Beirdo: | that SHOULD do, I'd hope :) |
| [03:37:48] | Beirdo: | but meanwhile, more coding :) |
| [03:37:48] | wagnerrp: | then 256 |
| [03:37:52] | Beirdo: | 255 |
| [03:37:54] | Beirdo: | that's the max |
| [03:38:03] | Beirdo: | gotta love varchar in mysql |
| [03:38:10] | Beirdo: | past that you go to text |
| [03:38:13] | kormoc: | nah |
| [03:38:18] | kormoc: | you can do larger varchars |
| [03:38:18] | Beirdo: | and can only index on 255 |
| [03:38:27] | kormoc: | it just eats up a extra byte for size |
| [03:38:28] | Beirdo: | when did they change that? |
| [03:38:33] | Beirdo: | ahhh, OK |
| [03:38:42] | kormoc: | it's been that way for awhile... perhaps 5.0 or late 4.3 |
| [03:38:47] | Beirdo: | anyways, 255 will do |
| [03:38:52] | Beirdo: | it had better :) |
| [03:38:55] | kormoc: | (so rather, 655,356 is the limit) |
| [03:39:08] | Beirdo: | too many 5s |
| [03:39:13] | kormoc: | right |
| [03:39:28] | Beirdo: | err, drop the 6 at the end? |
| [03:39:31] | Beirdo: | anyways... 64k |
| [03:39:35] | kormoc: | whatever :P |
| [03:39:44] | Beirdo: | 2^16 – 1 |
| [03:39:47] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [03:40:21] | Beirdo: | I think my patch would bump it to 255 unless someone bitches about one not working for their location later |
| [03:41:49] | wagnerrp: | 255 bytes should be enough for anyone |
| [03:41:52] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [03:42:12] | Beirdo: | I'd hope so... might be a few places in India that might bork it |
| [03:42:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:43:15] | Beirdo: | it doesn't actually store the scraped data in the db, does it? |
| [03:44:11] | Beirdo: | doesn't look like it. cool |
| [03:46:32] | wagnerrp: | no, but it caches it in memory |
| [03:46:39] | wagnerrp: | and you can store it to file if you wish |
| [03:46:41] | Beirdo: | that's fine |
| [03:46:48] | Beirdo: | I'll be caching to file, I think |
| [03:46:59] | Beirdo: | to be sure to stay within the ToS |
| [03:47:26] | Beirdo: | but still, just wanted to make sure that their huge long copyright string won't cause db issues ;) |
| [03:47:42] | Beirdo: | it may cause output issues theme-wise, I dunno |
| [03:48:04] | Beirdo: | Weather forecast from yr.no, delivered by the Norwegian Meteorological Institute and the NRK |
| [03:50:27] | Beirdo: | OK, 18h forecast has 6 entries... so every 3h? |
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| [04:10:42] | dougt: | is there a guide that talks through adding a second video source? I have been using firewire for recording and am going to add a hvr1950. I want to understand what the channel listings will end up being. For example, if I have a channel 2 from Firewire, what will happen when the hvr video source also has a channel 2. |
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| [04:11:12] | wagnerrp: | you just add a second video source |
| [04:11:37] | dougt: | wagnerrp: so, two scheduledirect, ect. |
| [04:11:53] | wagnerrp: | you can have up to four lineups on a single account |
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| [04:13:34] | dougt: | wagnerrp: after the scan i seem to have lost channels on my firewire source. There was some dialogs about conflicts and mythtv-setup asked me what I wanted to do. |
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| [04:14:17] | wagnerrp: | you should have added a new source, and bound that second source to the new tuner to scan |
| [04:14:19] | dougt: | i should have written down what the dialogs said, but i recall not selecting "ignore all" |
| [04:14:36] | banyan: | Hello — mythweb.pl creates an avc: denied selinux error when I try to stream video. Is there a stock fix for that? |
| [04:15:14] | kormoc: | set selinux to permissive or allow it to spawn processes that read files |
| [04:15:39] | dougt: | wagnerrp: thanks g. |
| [04:16:09] | banyan: | I was thinking of changing the context for the directory the recordings are in... |
| [04:16:51] | kormoc: | it depends on which context is throwing a fit, but that's a good start |
| [04:17:00] | banyan: | just wondering which context would do the trick. |
| [04:17:26] | kormoc: | you'd have to find a better message |
| [04:17:43] | kormoc: | check /var/log/secure and friends (security? selinux?) |
| [04:18:28] | banyan: | This is probably the kind of info: avc: denied { getattr } for pid=10627 comm="mythweb.pl" path="/var/lib/mythtv/1038_20100307022800.mpg" dev=md0 ino=76482733 scontext=unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_sys_script_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 tclass=file |
| [04:18:58] | kormoc: | yeah, change the recording directory context |
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| [04:24:15] | banyan: | So I guess they're currently var_lib_t and that doesn't fly. |
| [04:33:53] | banyan: | hmm. semanage is complaining that libsepol.mls_from_string: invalid MLS context s0: (No such file or directory) |
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| [04:35:21] | wagnerrp: | dougt: anyway... did you have any questions about the bindings? |
| [04:35:24] | ** wagnerrp is the person to ask ** | |
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| [04:36:06] | Beirdo: | ugh |
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| [04:36:18] | Beirdo: | just fell asleep for almost half an hour ;) |
| [04:36:18] | dougt: | wagnerrp: well.. |
| [04:36:28] | Beirdo: | I guess my script can wait for tomorrow ;) |
| [04:36:56] | dougt: | my interesting primarily is to have two things: a cli interface to myth so that I can do simple things like schedule a show, and write a simple web app to do the same. |
| [04:37:11] | dougt: | something like mythweb, but ALOT less functionality. |
| [04:37:13] | wagnerrp: | for a simple web-app... see mythweb |
| [04:37:16] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [04:37:23] | dougt: | simple? really. ;-) |
| [04:37:26] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [04:37:56] | dougt: | well, in the grand scheme of things, yes, simple.. |
| [04:38:13] | wagnerrp: | ive been mulling about putting together a curses interface for the backend |
| [04:38:33] | dougt: | wagnerrp: that would be cool... |
| [04:38:38] | Beirdo: | ^.^ |
| [04:38:40] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:38:43] | dougt: | if you get the python bindings simple enough, youre done. :-) |
| [04:39:10] | wagnerrp: | well this would provide some basic text menus for doing things |
| [04:39:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you should take a look at beirdobot's console sometime |
| [04:39:33] | dougt: | Beirdo: link? |
| [04:39:41] | wagnerrp: | i should... intending to give me shell access? |
| [04:39:42] | Beirdo: | it's in C |
| [04:39:44] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:39:55] | wagnerrp: | or just pull it off your repository and run it? |
| [04:39:59] | Beirdo: | http://github.com/Beirdo/beirdobot |
| [04:40:06] | Beirdo: | if ya wanna try it :) |
| [04:40:25] | Beirdo: | I'll make you a screen dump sometime when I'm more awake |
| [04:40:44] | Beirdo: | it has menuing along the top, and logs at the bottom |
| [04:40:50] | Beirdo: | with scrolback |
| [04:41:25] | Beirdo: | works pretty nicely :) |
| [04:41:41] | Beirdo: | but anyways, it might give inspiration... or cause a GAAAAHHHH moment :) |
| [04:41:43] | wagnerrp: | is it actual menu-ing? or just static text saying 'F1 for this', 'F2 for that'? |
| [04:41:59] | Beirdo: | two levels of menus and form input |
| [04:42:27] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [04:42:49] | dougt: | wagnerrp: do you have test cases for the python binding? |
| [04:43:06] | wagnerrp: | i have several scripts that ive written |
| [04:43:14] | Beirdo: | gimme a sec and I'll pop up a png for you |
| [04:43:23] | wagnerrp: | but no, i dont have anything set up to test them when i make changes |
| [04:43:43] | wagnerrp: | basically, i just open up the interpreter, and manually test anything taht would have been affected by my changes |
| [04:43:56] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean sample code? |
| [04:44:06] | dougt: | testcases would be ideal. |
| [04:44:18] | dougt: | if I back port anything, it be nice to know I didn't f' anything up. |
| [04:44:36] | wagnerrp: | if you backport anything, it wouldnt matter |
| [04:44:43] | wagnerrp: | since it would likely only be for personal use |
| [04:44:53] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, -fixes only exists for bug fixes |
| [04:45:02] | dougt: | no doubt... |
| [04:45:03] | wagnerrp: | while the rewritten bindings are a new feature |
| [04:45:07] | dougt: | but still. :-) |
| [04:45:22] | Beirdo: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2320663/beirdobot.PNG |
| [04:45:30] | wagnerrp: | basically, youve got three things to worry about |
| [04:45:43] | wagnerrp: | the protocol revisions, primary schema revisions, and mythvideo schema revisions |
| [04:45:43] | dougt: | the three top level objects? :p |
| [04:46:21] | wagnerrp: | protocol revisions are detailed at http://mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_Protocol |
| [04:46:38] | wagnerrp: | you need to walk back any changes to revision 50 |
| [04:46:41] | Beirdo: | that's all ncurses with my own custom menu code :) |
| [04:46:59] | wagnerrp: | and IIRC, the only thing past 50 i use is QUERY_FILE_HASH |
| [04:47:36] | wagnerrp: | meaning you need to drop that function from MythData.py:FileOps, and any use of that function |
| [04:47:36] | Beirdo: | and yes, it resizes the window when I resize the ssh window |
| [04:48:13] | dougt: | wagnerrp: the new binding is so much prettier.... |
| [04:49:11] | wagnerrp: | the schema is detailed on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /dbcheck.cpp |
| [04:49:38] | wagnerrp: | and mythvideo schema on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /dbcheck.cpp |
| [04:50:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: also see http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2320663/beirdobot2.PNG |
| [04:50:08] | wagnerrp: | you should see on each a bunch of 'if (this version), run these commands' |
| [04:50:21] | wagnerrp: | just remove any uses of information past the values in 0.22 |
| [04:50:28] | dougt: | wagnerrp: in your experience, what is the time between the time when the release branch is cut and the time it is released? |
| [04:50:54] | wagnerrp: | i would bet on a final release early next week |
| [04:51:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe there would be any issues with either of the schemas, except for the new hash values in MythVideo |
| [04:52:13] | dougt: | wow. that is fast + great. |
| [04:52:14] | wagnerrp: | and you would have to delete the whole thing with the MythNetvision |
| [04:52:22] | wagnerrp: | since thats not available in 0.22 |
| [04:52:22] | dougt: | hell, might just wait. |
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| [04:52:52] | wagnerrp: | and since the mythvideo scanner in MythFunc.py:MythVideo runs off the hash values |
| [04:52:58] | wagnerrp: | that would have to be cut up a bit |
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| [04:53:25] | ** wagnerrp goes to look at purty pictures ** | |
| [04:53:37] | ** dougt waves ** | |
| [04:53:39] | ** wagnerrp cannot look at purty picture because dropbox isnt loading ** | |
| [04:53:45] | Beirdo: | no? |
| [04:53:52] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, there it goes |
| [04:53:55] | wagnerrp: | just took a bit |
| [04:54:12] | Beirdo: | heh, it's never given me issues before, so it was rather surprising :) |
| [04:54:21] | kormoc: | ncurses is crazy awesome for text uis |
| [04:54:28] | Beirdo: | it is :) |
| [04:54:42] | Beirdo: | it's crazy to get working right, but after that... wow |
| [04:54:46] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [04:54:47] | wagnerrp: | its been giving me problems |
| [04:55:03] | wagnerrp: | ive got to run UTF-8 for all the text stuff in the bindings |
| [04:55:08] | kormoc: | I wrote a nice ncurses lib for php for simech's barcode scanners, it's too bad I never released it FLOSS |
| [04:55:13] | wagnerrp: | which breaks those nice ANSI borders |
| [04:55:15] | Beirdo: | ahhh. |
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| [04:55:22] | Beirdo: | yes is does break em |
| [04:55:22] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: shouldn't if your term is utf-8 safe |
| [04:55:28] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:55:29] | wagnerrp: | so i get weird mangled UTF characters |
| [04:55:35] | Beirdo: | but it can be fixed :) |
| [04:55:49] | Beirdo: | I never did it expecting UTF-8 |
| [04:56:29] | Beirdo: | but I think if I start it in UTF-8 mode, it DOES work with proper termcap |
| [04:56:57] | Beirdo: | just my screen wasn't started UTF-8, so it mangles, I had to switch putty back before taking the screenshot |
| [04:57:31] | Beirdo: | at the top, the first two sections are cascaded menu |
| [04:57:45] | Beirdo: | the top right is display or form-based input |
| [04:57:52] | Beirdo: | the bottom is scrolling logs |
| [04:58:11] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/bad_curses.png |
| [04:58:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:58:39] | Beirdo: | that's what mine did when LANG=en_US |
| [04:58:57] | wagnerrp: | top is with putty in UTF-8, bottom is with Latin-1 |
| [04:58:57] | Beirdo: | I think if I start it with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 it works right |
| [04:59:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses.f . . . line_drawing |
| [04:59:14] | wagnerrp: | thats what lang is set to |
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| [04:59:59] | Beirdo: | it's a screen issue, actually, I think |
| [05:00:14] | kormoc: | can you use ncursesw? |
| [05:00:43] | Beirdo: | hey wow |
| [05:00:57] | Beirdo: | you know, I forgot to put the ncurses version in my version list ;) |
| [05:02:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: looks like a recompile with ncursesw does the trick, http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/Python/co . . . sg02374.html |
| [05:02:28] | Beirdo: | anyways, that's what I have... I'll make it UTF-8/screen friendly some other decade :) |
| [05:02:29] | wagnerrp: | is there a difference between curses and ncurses? |
| [05:02:37] | Beirdo: | ncurses is newer |
| [05:02:44] | kormoc: | new curses ;) |
| [05:02:47] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:02:52] | wagnerrp: | woah... wtf... 'firefox can't find the server at www.google.com' |
| [05:02:57] | Beirdo: | it has color support (some) etc |
| [05:03:14] | Beirdo: | you are having DNS issues, and should go to bed :) |
| [05:03:16] | dougt: | wagnerrp: are you in china? |
| [05:03:21] | Beirdo: | that's how I translate that error |
| [05:03:29] | wagnerrp: | no, modem just temporarily crapped out |
| [05:04:31] | Beirdo: | anyways, I think I'm gonna pass out for the night :) |
| [05:04:41] | Beirdo: | I'll finish the yr.no tomorrow, I think |
| [05:04:51] | wagnerrp: | seems its using ncurses |
| [05:04:59] | wagnerrp: | but the module is still called curses |
| [05:05:07] | wagnerrp: | from when it was actually using curses back in the 90s |
| [05:05:12] | Beirdo: | I got to parsing the lovely XML output and started snoring |
| [05:06:02] | Beirdo: | night |
| [05:06:16] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [05:06:34] | kormoc: | night |
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| [05:16:08] | ** wagnerrp needs to start making colorful script output ** | |
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| [05:26:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its linking against ncurses.so instead of ncursesw.so |
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| [05:55:09] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: seems it may just be a putty issue |
| [05:55:16] | wagnerrp: | since xterm seems to work just fine |
| [05:55:17] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [05:55:18] | kormoc: | huh |
| [05:55:29] | wagnerrp: | ... unless of course xterm doesnt support utf-8 at all |
| [05:59:19] | wagnerrp: | seems to support unicode |
| [06:01:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its a putty issue |
| [06:01:47] | kormoc: | could try switching putty's term identifier and see if that helps |
| [06:04:57] | wagnerrp: | xterm it is then... |
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| [06:07:06] | clever: | wagnerrp: xterm does support utf-8, hold control and then hold right click on the window |
| [06:07:16] | clever: | youll have a check option to turn utf-8 on/off |
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| [06:07:40] | clever: | it can also be enabled in putty |
| [06:08:03] | wagnerrp: | yes, and when you set putty to utf-8, it breaks line drawing |
| [06:08:32] | wagnerrp: | its apparently a known issue, from like 5 years ago |
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| [06:21:11] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: sadly, the only log access i get is through the database, which is limited |
| [06:22:26] | wagnerrp: | since i cant reliably pull from any log file |
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| [06:47:07] | wagnerrp: | oof... 'ERROR[]:[]Could not determine memory stats.' |
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| [07:51:48] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something is eating one of the neighbor's cats outside |
| [07:56:38] | clever: | wagnerrp: i heard something like that a year back, it was 2 skunks doing a dance on the road |
| [07:57:45] | clever: | half the fun was identifying it, because the fog was so thick that night |
| [07:58:04] | clever: | i couldnt even see the road for several minutes, just grey and the noise |
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| [08:29:00] | hachi: | raccoons |
| [08:29:06] | hachi: | always make loud noises outside my house |
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| [08:55:36] | gbee: | it's foxes here |
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| [09:29:21] | justinh: | we need a new character set. WTF-8. Twinned with gibberish |
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| [09:35:51] | gbee: | purple |
| [09:36:49] | justinh: | that was apparently the predominant colour Labour MPs were wearing yesterday. |
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| [09:59:45] | gbee: | wow, I thought I just picked a random colour on the spot, but apparently I've a previously unknown paranormal talent for seeing the colours associated with a significant event! |
| [10:00:11] | gbee: | well one event .... in the past .... |
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| [10:11:19] | justinh: | keep keeping on with these 'upgrades'. Er, I mean swapping old boards out of an old chassis & putting all new boards in an all new chassis. Pfft |
| [10:11:40] | justinh: | wish they'd just call it what it is. I.E. building a new machine |
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| [10:39:32] | AndyCap: | Yay, whoops apocalypse is in the mail |
| [10:40:10] | justinh: | stupid perl script of my own making not taking care of quotes in strings |
| [10:40:27] | AndyCap: | little bobby tables we call him |
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| [10:52:45] | justinh: | gah how come Book Of The Week is only being recorded sporadically? |
| [10:53:49] | justinh: | might be something silly like oh I dunno, relying on the title to always be the same so I need to make a custom rule saying TITLE LIKE "%book%of%the%week%" |
| [10:54:38] | justinh: | ah no. it was cos my script was failing unexpectedly due to an empty subtitle |
| [10:54:50] | justinh: | er extra quotes. |
| [10:55:24] | justinh: | I'll have to go through & re-export all this week's showings |
| [10:56:06] | justinh: | it was probably silly to make the tagger use -c '$description' |
| [10:56:22] | justinh: | since the description can contain quotes |
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| [12:04:11] | Beirdo: | gbee: that's great news :) |
| [12:04:31] | Beirdo: | oh, sorry, wrong channel, still great news |
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| [13:20:18] | tmkt: | Quick question...i decided to go back to my onboard ati radeon 2100 card, and remove the nvidia gefore 9600 I had, in the playback profile for both I'm using "High Quality", am I just imagining things or could the ATI be displaying stuff not as clearly as the nvidia did? |
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| [13:20:46] | tmkt: | I'm not sure if it is because I didn't pay that close attention before, and now I'm just looking more closely after making the change |
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| [13:39:53] | justinh: | FWIW, the first non nvidia card I had blew my FX card out of the water with its output quality |
| [13:40:19] | justinh: | but things have come a long way since then – I'd still not be surprised if ATI DACs were somehow better |
| [13:41:38] | [Peter]: | and I guess it doesn't matter at all if you're using a digital connection such as DVI or HDMI |
| [13:51:44] | justinh: | still might, cos the cards can do stuff to the numbers before hand |
| [13:52:01] | justinh: | digital vibrance & all that schtuff |
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| [13:55:51] | Beirdo: | ugh! |
| [13:55:58] | Beirdo: | why are mornings so rough? |
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| [14:03:16] | PsychoI3oy: | how would i go about removing a bogus cardid ? |
| [14:03:43] | PsychoI3oy: | it's not listed in connections, but I have two options when chosing a source in recordings, and I'd rather not go through all my recording rules to make sure it's the right one |
| [14:06:57] | PsychoI3oy: | k, found the 'cardinput' table |
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| [14:08:28] | PsychoI3oy: | now what table do I need to replace '13' with '14' in ? |
| [14:09:50] | justinh: | oh you so don't want to be doing that |
| [14:10:21] | PsychoI3oy: | orly |
| [14:10:25] | justinh: | RLY |
| [14:10:32] | PsychoI3oy: | so how do i fix it? |
| [14:10:40] | PsychoI3oy: | there's no listing for it in mythtv-setup |
| [14:12:20] | PsychoI3oy: | I have backups from monday, nothing's recorded sucessfully (other than manual testing) since then |
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| [14:20:17] | PsychoI3oy: | ok |
| [14:20:26] | Beirdo: | why are there no ncurses based wordpress posting clients?! |
| [14:20:33] | Beirdo: | or at least none I can find? |
| [14:20:51] | PsychoI3oy: | new question: can I nuke the mythtv db and import backups of just the recording rules/previously recorded ? |
| [14:21:07] | PsychoI3oy: | because something's messed up somewhere in my channels/tuners/inputs/etc. |
| [14:21:17] | Beirdo: | PsychoI3oy: possibly. make the backup and try |
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| [14:21:27] | Beirdo: | if it doesn't do what you want, reimport the backp |
| [14:21:47] | Beirdo: | you will have lost only time |
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| [14:21:59] | ** PsychoI3oy wonders what format the mythconverg_backup script uses ** | |
| [14:22:09] | PsychoI3oy: | .sql.gz |
| [14:22:12] | Beirdo: | read it :) |
| [14:22:18] | PsychoI3oy: | should be .... interesting |
| [14:23:24] | PsychoI3oy: | it's only 32mb of sql text |
| [14:23:28] | PsychoI3oy: | ungz'd |
| [14:24:05] | ** PsychoI3oy drops * ** | |
| [14:28:12] | ** justinh catches the falling * and puts it in his pocket ** | |
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| [14:29:12] | ** sid3windr watches as the * expands in justinh 's pocket ** | |
| [14:29:18] | justinh: | wth? boards just shipped to me from production have redboot v1.7 on them. we've been on 1.10 for ages now |
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| [14:29:46] | justinh: | sid3windr: heh |
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| [14:38:14] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [14:38:27] | Beirdo: | wppost from Perl.. WordPress::Post |
| [14:38:30] | Beirdo: | there we go |
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| [14:41:58] | Beirdo: | totally sucked, SIR! |
| [14:42:20] | PsychoI3oy: | hmm |
| [14:42:39] | PsychoI3oy: | should I set up the tuners/channels then import the backup or vise versa? |
| [14:42:50] | PsychoI3oy: | vise versa |
| [14:42:57] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [14:43:55] | PsychoI3oy: | restore backup, then run setup |
| [14:44:13] | PsychoI3oy: | don't want backup to overwrite stuff I set up, in case i didn't take out enough from the file |
| [14:44:19] | PsychoI3oy: | k |
| [14:44:21] | PsychoI3oy: | backup restored |
| [14:47:36] | Beirdo: | oh wunderbar. |
| [14:47:43] | PsychoI3oy: | oh |
| [14:47:46] | PsychoI3oy: | interesting |
| [14:47:47] | Beirdo: | stupid wordpress |
| [14:48:01] | Beirdo: | I'm trying to import an XML file inside <pre> |
| [14:48:03] | PsychoI3oy: | i thought importing mc.sql would set up the default tables |
| [14:48:10] | Beirdo: | it strips out all the SQL |
| [14:48:16] | Beirdo: | eerr |
| [14:48:23] | Beirdo: | strips out the XML |
| [14:48:30] | Beirdo: | you broke my train of thought |
| [14:48:31] | PsychoI3oy: | i took out the drop tables out of the db restore |
| [14:48:31] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [14:48:41] | ** PsychoI3oy weilds his hammer mightily ** | |
| [14:48:57] | PsychoI3oy: | wields |
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| [14:54:17] | PsychoI3oy: | ok, i'm going to re-fudge the backup and take out the part where it puts data in but leave the part where it drops tables and sets them up...... |
| [14:56:53] | justinh: | I'm boshing up a new website for the dog training club I go to in wordpress. their current one sucks & relies on good (bad) ole html editing to update |
| [14:57:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:57:18] | Beirdo: | well, I gave up on it formatting the XML right |
| [14:57:32] | justinh: | beat iNove into submission & got a custom site graphic going on, since WP charge for using custom CSS |
| [14:57:36] | Beirdo: | used sed to change the < > to < > |
| [14:57:56] | Beirdo: | stupid thing wouldn't import it even inside <pre> |
| [14:58:09] | Beirdo: | muh? |
| [14:58:17] | Beirdo: | ohhh, you are hosting on wordpress.com? |
| [14:58:38] | justinh: | cheap :-) |
| [14:58:43] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [14:58:46] | Beirdo: | I self-host |
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| [14:59:04] | Saviq: | guys, is there any reason why old recordings (0.21-fixes times) would not play properly in 0.22 / 0.23? they stutter quite a lot, saying "ac-tex damaged", "warning mv not available" and stuff? |
| [14:59:05] | justinh: | I would, but before I did I'd want a virtual server (Eeeek!) |
| [15:00:18] | justinh: | hosting a public webserver on the same machine as my myth backend.. erm.. prolly not a great idea anyway |
| [15:00:25] | Beirdo: | Saviq: sounds like a damaged recording... |
| [15:00:34] | Beirdo: | justinh: yeah, true :) |
| [15:00:49] | justinh: | but with a VM.. maybe, baby |
| [15:01:02] | justinh: | not on the current box of course.. it's way underpowered |
| [15:01:16] | Saviq: | Beirdo: yeah, that's what I thought, but why would that happen with all recordings older than something... |
| [15:01:24] | Beirdo: | nothing throwing money at the problem wouldn't fix, justinh :) |
| [15:01:58] | Beirdo: | Saviq: it may have been an old ffmpeg issue or something, I dunno. not enough information to track such a thing down |
| [15:01:58] | Saviq: | non-myth videos on the same volume ar fine :| |
| [15:02:31] | Saviq: | and afaik they played fine back then |
| [15:02:34] | Beirdo: | may even be an old buggy ivtv driver or something |
| [15:02:47] | Saviq: | nah, dvb-only |
| [15:03:07] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [15:03:22] | Beirdo: | I'm sure there's someone who can help troubleshoot that, but it ain't me :) |
| [15:04:14] | gbee: | Saviq: it's possible the latest ffmpeg doesn't deal with a damaged stream as well as it used to, and those recordings were made when your aerial was mis-aligned, or during bad weather |
| [15:04:45] | gbee: | it would be odd though, ffmpeg isn't normally prone to regressions like that |
| [15:07:06] | Saviq: | well, will have to go through them and pluck 'em out :/ |
| [15:07:21] | Saviq: | nothing seriously important, at least |
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| [15:14:16] | justinh: | I |
| [15:14:18] | justinh: | duh |
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| [15:14:28] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc | |
| [15:14:39] | justinh: | I've seen a lot of that ac tx damaged stuff.. not much picture corruption though |
| [15:14:51] | justinh: | and that's with a 10/10 signal |
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| [15:29:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: crude mockup... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/be_curses_mockup.png |
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| [15:34:19] | Beirdo: | not a bad start :) |
| [15:34:46] | Beirdo: | careful with F-keys though... they often are hard to use over ssh depending on clients |
| [15:35:03] | wagnerrp: | ctrl+# then? |
| [15:35:33] | Beirdo: | Not sure, that should be more foolproof. You could just allow both :) |
| [15:35:48] | Beirdo: | F-keys being default, and others as backup |
| [15:36:09] | clever: | i havent had much trouble with the F keys when using the c app for the telnet remote |
| [15:36:11] | Beirdo: | oooooh. |
| [15:36:30] | clever: | though i added that part myself |
| [15:36:40] | Beirdo: | and if we make nuvexport be more userjob-friendly, we can actually use this as a frontend. :) |
| [15:36:41] | clever: | the ascii codes its expecting are what my system gives |
| [15:36:46] | Beirdo: | to nuvexport that is |
| [15:37:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not sure how we'd put in the nuvexport settings, though, but something to mull over :) |
| [15:38:16] | Beirdo: | also want to add "mythbackend" or something on the top line, I think |
| [15:38:25] | Beirdo: | but I like |
| [15:38:32] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i figured 'other' would be a menu thing like you had |
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| [15:38:45] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [15:39:59] | Beirdo: | feel free to steal any code you need :) |
| [15:40:19] | Beirdo: | dunno how helpful it will be if you are doing it python-based, but still, it's there, it's open source :) |
| [15:40:46] | wagnerrp: | top row would be interactive stuff, bottom row would be primarily read only (delete/pause/resume/requeue in jobqueue), tabs would turn... green? if there was background activity |
| [15:41:18] | Beirdo: | yah, K. hopefully a non-color option too (just in case) |
| [15:41:31] | Beirdo: | not sure how say.. vt100 would deal with the colors |
| [15:41:46] | Beirdo: | most ssh clients do color though |
| [15:41:57] | kormoc: | who uses a real vt100 anymore? :P |
| [15:42:02] | Beirdo: | we can worry about that if someone bitches |
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| [15:42:21] | Beirdo: | a lot of shells, etc use vt100, and technically vt100 has no color |
| [15:42:29] | Beirdo: | I used to HAVE a vt100.. the real thing |
| [15:42:33] | wagnerrp: | i was really intending to make this pretty colorful |
| [15:42:54] | Beirdo: | I used it to dial in to school, and they once told me "the problem is your vt100 emulation" |
| [15:43:11] | wagnerrp: | flag any log with 'error' red, color jobqueue and upcoming recordings |
| [15:43:11] | Beirdo: | ummm, I'm using a DEC VT100, I'm not emulating, fix your stupid software |
| [15:43:17] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: sounds good |
| [15:43:53] | Beirdo: | but be aware that some termcaps may cause issues... so in the HOWTO, or whatever, indicate that you are not expecting to support non-color termcaps :) |
| [15:44:06] | Beirdo: | and the problem is fixed :) |
| [15:44:13] | iamlindoro: | "[mythtv-users] HD-PVR playback--high CPU usage" |
| [15:44:17] | ** iamlindoro sets the users list on fire ** | |
| [15:44:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:44:32] | wagnerrp: | heres your sign? |
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| [15:44:34] | iamlindoro: | "The CPU on my Pentium dual core frontend is pegged and playback is unwatchable" |
| [15:44:38] | iamlindoro: | DURRRRRRR |
| [15:44:38] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you should take a lusers list vacation :) |
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| [15:45:00] | Beirdo: | route it to /dev/null for a week, you'll be glad you did :) |
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| [15:45:04] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Heh, I unsubscribed weeks ago, I just check in occasionally to see if there's anything worth seeing |
| [15:45:08] | iamlindoro: | but as usualy, there isn't |
| [15:45:23] | Beirdo: | there's the occasional useful bit |
| [15:45:31] | Beirdo: | but 99% user yammering |
| [15:45:54] | Beirdo: | OK, maybe only 98% |
| [15:45:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: get chutt to ban his account for asking for help with torrented video? |
| [15:45:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:46:13] | iamlindoro: | -users list is thunderdome |
| [15:46:19] | Beirdo: | people are stupid |
| [15:46:22] | iamlindoro: | there are no rules, only masterblaster |
| [15:46:46] | wagnerrp: | that makes you... tina turner? |
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| [15:46:59] | Beirdo: | wish the iPhone mail client was threaded |
| [15:47:00] | justinh: | Mad Macs? |
| [15:47:02] | iamlindoro: | I was hoping I'd be mel, as the outsider |
| [15:47:10] | iamlindoro: | but given his recent behavior, that's not good either |
| [15:47:17] | wagnerrp: | you rule the -users, and they hate you for it |
| [15:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Two users enter, one user leaes |
| [15:47:39] | wagnerrp: | how dare you disable my precious mplayer in the name of progress |
| [15:47:42] | iamlindoro: | leaves |
| [15:47:46] | justinh: | hey, all internet discussions ultimately wind up with somebody being compared to a nazi |
| [15:48:15] | iamlindoro: | Especially if that person closes your ticket with VDPAU backports |
| [15:48:24] | Beirdo: | justinh: you being the themes gestapo again? ;) |
| [15:48:34] | justinh: | I wish |
| [15:48:45] | kormoc: | DEATH TO ALL |
| [15:49:02] | Beirdo: | if nothing else, the Nazis gave us something to call each other |
| [15:49:25] | Beirdo: | morning kormoc |
| [15:49:31] | kormoc: | mornin |
| [15:49:57] | ** iamlindoro notes "simplified audio setup" has jumped to the number one major feature of .23 ** | |
| [15:50:03] | iamlindoro: | Which is par for the course |
| [15:50:17] | Beirdo: | I should go edit... |
| [15:50:23] | Beirdo: | "in no particular order" |
| [15:50:24] | iamlindoro: | heh, nah |
| [15:50:46] | Beirdo: | and I should edit anyways and summarize the nuvexport bug fixes |
| [15:50:47] | iamlindoro: | He's out of patches to steal for the time being |
| [15:51:01] | kormoc: | I should go randomize the list |
| [15:51:04] | Beirdo: | as minor as they were |
| [15:51:22] | Beirdo: | if being a glory-hound is the new goal... :) |
| [15:51:54] | iamlindoro: | So someone is just finishing up an MMS patch for FFMPEG on their dev list right now, that could be neat to play with in MNV after the next sync |
| [15:52:06] | Beirdo: | niiice |
| [15:52:18] | wagnerrp: | mms? |
| [15:52:18] | justinh: | MMS? |
| [15:52:27] | Beirdo: | oh, iamlindoro anybody put in any java-based mnv "scrapers" yet? |
| [15:52:30] | Beirdo: | MMS |
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| [15:52:39] | Beirdo: | as in streaming audio |
| [15:52:40] | iamlindoro: | streaming video/Microsoft Media Server |
| [15:52:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: RDV is working on some, but not yet |
| [15:52:46] | iamlindoro: | audio and/or video |
| [15:52:49] | Beirdo: | and streaming video |
| [15:52:59] | iamlindoro: | Don't think anyone's written any pure java grabbers, though |
| [15:53:00] | justinh: | ahh. MEHs |
| [15:53:19] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: OK, well, I for one am massively opposed to using java |
| [15:53:20] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:53:32] | justinh: | does the internal player work for just audio streams now? |
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| [15:53:41] | iamlindoro: | justinh: There's a lot of honest to goodness real TV channels worldwide that are available via MMS, would be possible to play those directly from the internal player from anywhere |
| [15:53:41] | Beirdo: | I'll be happy to reimplement into perl/ruby even python if I have to |
| [15:54:15] | Beirdo: | requiring the nightmare that is java... blech |
| [15:54:25] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I dunno, I naturally just ignore anything with an extension media player wants to open :) |
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| [15:55:15] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: the grabbers he wrote with EMML is pretty much pure java... |
| [15:55:21] | justinh: | course it's always been a chicken & egg situation for me. don't want to watch stuff on a computer, but there's been no way to use stuff any other way ;-) |
| [15:55:26] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: when that is in there, I may consider recreating my audio streaming capture system in a way that would be acceptable in myth |
| [15:55:26] | kormoc: | there, feature list randomized |
| [15:55:40] | justinh: | certainly sick to death trying to watch embedded video on my laptop. |
| [15:55:47] | justinh: | ARGHHHH tearing! |
| [15:55:52] | Beirdo: | heck, even rewrite it in C++ |
| [15:56:04] | Beirdo: | it's perl/mplayer right now |
| [15:56:08] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: The grabbers themselves are python, and then bits and pieces of the server side are EMML, XML config, and javascript, I believe-- TTBOMK he only uses one java routine in one script |
| [15:56:14] | iamlindoro: | justinh: http://wwitv.com/portal.htm |
| [15:56:26] | justinh: | I wouldn't care, the bitrate of stuff is generally quite watchable, but no syncing to vblank.. ARGHHH |
| [15:56:30] | iamlindoro: | Aggregation of live TV around the world via MMS-- lots of neat content there |
| [15:56:37] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: EMML requires java, so it's pretty much just a java library imho |
| [15:56:39] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [15:56:52] | justinh: | wooo |
| [15:56:52] | Beirdo: | HAH |
| [15:56:57] | Beirdo: | blocked by websense |
| [15:57:03] | Beirdo: | Internet Radio and TV |
| [15:57:12] | wagnerrp: | isnt there something about EMML that i couldnt even write a python implementation if i wanted to? |
| [15:57:16] | Beirdo: | morons, let me see the page and block the streaming |
| [15:57:31] | Beirdo: | then EMML can bite me |
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| [15:57:34] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: yes, it requires Native Java Object Support for it to work |
| [15:57:49] | wagnerrp: | even though its an 'open standard' |
| [15:58:01] | kormoc: | well, it's not |
| [15:58:09] | iamlindoro: | Let's not get into this again |
| [15:58:13] | Beirdo: | I'd say it's neither |
| [15:58:15] | iamlindoro: | it was irritating the first time |
| [15:58:18] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [15:58:24] | Beirdo: | my point is... |
| [15:58:37] | Beirdo: | if we need to require java for mythplugins, that is a nightmare |
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| [15:58:46] | Beirdo: | which JRE, etc |
| [15:58:49] | iamlindoro: | My point is anyone can write any grabber they like in any language they lke, and people can use or not use them freely, MNV is language-agnostic ;) |
| [15:58:49] | wagnerrp: | no, only for those grabbers |
| [15:59:10] | Beirdo: | yes, but not to be put into the official repo, please |
| [15:59:26] | iamlindoro: | Not unlike Nuvexport ;) |
| [15:59:34] | iamlindoro: | which ffmpeg, etc. ;) |
| [15:59:45] | kormoc: | which is a nightmare... |
| [15:59:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's gonna be worked on :) |
| [15:59:49] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I'd say mythextras would be a great home for it |
| [15:59:57] | Beirdo: | true |
| [16:00:29] | Beirdo: | as long as the mythtv-plugins packages don't suddenly have a dependency on java JRE :) |
| [16:00:29] | kormoc: | it's not even so much that it requires java that bugs me, it requires tomcat, no? |
| [16:00:35] | iamlindoro: | and that it's frustrating to see RDV's hard work (which has produced awesome results) questioned when I found it easy to set up, and when nobody else has turned up to do all that he has done |
| [16:00:52] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it runs an instance of tomcat |
| [16:01:26] | Beirdo: | Hey, I'm not denigrating his work, I just don't want the nightmare of having to support it in the mainstream. I agree that mythextras would be a good solution |
| [16:01:30] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I'd prefer just to leave it at "anyone can write any grabber they like in any language that is comfortable for them" and let the market decide |
| [16:02:08] | iamlindoro: | For my money we could/should run the server side portion of MNV EMML grabbers on services.m.o and then just pass out the littel 2K python grabber stubs |
| [16:02:14] | Beirdo: | we have enough funky dependencies :) |
| [16:02:36] | Beirdo: | hmmm, is there a legal ramification to that? |
| [16:02:45] | iamlindoro: | then we could do the "work" on our side, keep one script up to date, and people would just connect and pull in the XML |
| [16:02:55] | iamlindoro: | no legal ramifications when all the grabbers are ToS compliant |
| [16:03:12] | Beirdo: | unless the data says stuff like no redistribution |
| [16:03:30] | Beirdo: | may not be a bad concept though :) |
| [16:03:39] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's what Boxee does |
| [16:03:43] | wagnerrp: | thats apparently the way boxee does it |
| [16:03:51] | iamlindoro: | they are like an MNV with a LOT more niceties, with all the grabbing done on their servers |
| [16:04:29] | wagnerrp: | plus with the new CPUs, it would actually be able to handle the load |
| [16:05:04] | Beirdo: | well, that is something to consider to be sure |
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| [16:05:18] | Beirdo: | and alleviates the issue of yet more setup on the user end |
| [16:05:34] | iamlindoro: | In the interest of fairness, I feel (armchair legal opinion) that Boxee violates ToS in more than one way |
| [16:05:49] | Beirdo: | likely so |
| [16:05:50] | iamlindoro: | Which is why Doug and I have been very careful to avoid what we have seen as possible issues |
| [16:06:16] | Beirdo: | we'd have to be careful to follow the ToS if on a central server even more than if on user boxes |
| [16:06:16] | iamlindoro: | eg, the Hulu grabber and the iPlayer grabber he's working on aggregate all the RSS feeds together and build the trees out of that, to great effect |
| [16:08:38] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: hahaha |
| [16:08:42] | iamlindoro: | re: wiki |
| [16:09:08] | kormoc: | seemed only fair |
| [16:09:40] | iamlindoro: | For all I care, one can take my stuff off the major changes entirely, I only updated the notes with my stuff (and at least a bit of it months ago) |
| [16:09:44] | justinh: | why do I have the feeling the new audio stuff is going to annoy the bloody hell out of me? |
| [16:09:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:10:03] | wagnerrp: | woo! first new feature |
| [16:10:11] | iamlindoro: | I *do* think that MNV, arclight, the event system, and the python bindings are the most impactful changes, but it's not worth the prima donna stuff |
| [16:10:12] | ** wagnerrp feels like hes won something ** | |
| [16:10:47] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yeah, not to worry... let him have his little "win" :) |
| [16:10:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: years of end user support for no pay! |
| [16:10:56] | Beirdo: | we know what's important |
| [16:11:02] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, no worries |
| [16:11:09] | wagnerrp: | horra^H^H^H^H^Hcrap |
| [16:11:16] | Beirdo: | and obviously, that's an 8.8M patch to tables we barely use :) |
| [16:11:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:11:27] | iamlindoro: | Mmmm, delicious tables |
| [16:11:32] | kormoc: | I wonder bout the surround system up-mixing... seems again like a asla/receiver job the a myth job... |
| [16:11:45] | Beirdo: | and... he said he has a NEW patch to that mess |
| [16:12:05] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, it provides a nice work around for that slow aac playback issue |
| [16:12:12] | Beirdo: | it does |
| [16:12:24] | Beirdo: | but is ALL of that huge table setup necessary? |
| [16:12:25] | wagnerrp: | running it through the resampler make it play at normal rate |
| [16:12:42] | wagnerrp: | and i cant tell the difference on my 2x10W LCD speakers |
| [16:12:45] | Beirdo: | and could we not have used libsox instead? ;) |
| [16:12:49] | sphery: | Beirdo: no--it's only the difference between an older version and a newer version of the lib |
| [16:12:59] | Beirdo: | sphery: let's hope |
| [16:13:00] | sphery: | so if we stuck with the older version... |
| [16:13:30] | ** Beirdo expects the commit to be like the health-care bill.. lots of tag-alongs ** | |
| [16:13:35] | PsychoI3oy: | BLARG |
| [16:13:41] | PsychoI3oy: | FIX ONE THING BREAK ANOTHER |
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| [16:14:19] | PsychoI3oy: | got the partial backup restored, the cards/inputs/channels configured |
| [16:14:31] | PsychoI3oy: | now recordings start ok-ish but go to static after a second or 2 |
| [16:14:39] | ** PsychoI3oy headdesk ** | |
| [16:15:05] | justinh: | that's the spirit! |
| [16:15:15] | ** justinh goes home ** | |
| [16:15:30] | Beirdo: | ciao |
| [16:17:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: I was saying, "no," to "is ALL of that huge table setup necessary?"--the older version didn't need it |
| [16:18:06] | sphery: | This is what it gets: http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/Blog/CodeHacki . . . rogress.html |
| [16:18:15] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
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| [16:23:56] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [16:23:57] | iamlindoro: | HAHAHA |
| [16:23:59] | iamlindoro: | http://godxiliary.com/alienvspooh |
| [16:24:01] | iamlindoro: | amazing |
| [16:25:13] | ** sphery thinks you just myth-dot'ed that site ** | |
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| [16:29:15] | xaxes: | hey there.. Tried to create a dvd-image of existing recordings, but after selecting the wanted one, Im getting: Cannot find any logs to show! |
| [16:29:18] | iamlindoro: | Maybe so-- but well worth a look when that wears off |
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| [16:29:43] | xaxes: | the recording is bigger than 4,3 gig, but couldnt there be any option to transcode it down sized? |
| [16:30:33] | xaxes: | using "double layered dvd" (recording fits into it) shows me the same error |
| [16:31:10] | ** Beirdo cues some Offspring to drown out the cow-workers ** | |
| [16:32:07] | Beirdo: | not loud enough. |
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| [16:36:56] | Beirdo: | hehe. OK, that made me look up the bass tablature for Bad Habit (finally) |
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| [16:37:44] | bjd: | whats tuning like in 0.22? |
| [16:38:18] | Beirdo: | out of date? |
| [16:39:23] | Beirdo: | I mean, 0.23 is in RC :) |
| [16:39:35] | ** Beirdo is a smart alec today, sorry ** | |
| [16:39:39] | bjd: | :) |
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| [16:40:01] | bjd: | for some reason i seem to recall it's a little broken? |
| [16:40:02] | wagnerrp: | tuning is... functional? |
| [16:40:09] | wagnerrp: | dont really know what youre looking for |
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| [16:40:31] | bjd: | i'll suck it and see later :) |
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| [16:42:29] | xaxes: | anybody out there who could help me to get mytharchive running? ;) havnt any errorlog in /var/log/mythbackend.log and the message Ive got isnt very welldocumented on the internet(google) ;) |
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| [16:43:07] | wagnerrp: | 'memory leaks which only occur upon rare and normally fatal exceptions'... how long until udo claims vindication? |
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| [16:45:44] | kormoc: | xaxes: so you're saying your error message of blank isn't well documented? |
| [16:45:55] | wagnerrp: | huh... lack of flash on the iPad is resulting in CBS testing full shows using html5 video |
| [16:46:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: he claimed that years ago and has been attempting to prove that for years |
| [16:46:32] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im talking about gbee's commit, some leak found by static analysis |
| [16:46:42] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [16:46:51] | xaxes: | kormoc: http://www.google.de/search?q=%22cannot+find+ . . . nt=firefox-a |
| [16:47:37] | kormoc: | well, mytharchive is a mythfrontend plugin, not a mythbackend one |
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| [16:47:40] | kormoc: | so you want the frontend logs |
| [16:47:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... are they sticking commercials in between little bite-sized chunks of the show? |
| [16:47:53] | xaxes: | doh! *gonna serach for |
| [16:48:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, it doesnt play yet |
| [16:48:19] | wagnerrp: | and you have to identify yourself as a iPad for it to show up |
| [16:48:25] | sphery: | :( |
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| [16:48:56] | sphery: | so it's still a "You can only use this on approved operating systems" situation |
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| [16:49:03] | wagnerrp: | presumably, they see the iPad as a closed platform, with no way to get grabbers into the playback code |
| [16:49:13] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the simple UA change |
| [16:49:28] | gbee: | wagnerrp: heh, well not that he'll listen to reason, but those leaks would occur just once (thus be <10Kb at an absolute maximum) and in 9/10 cases, only occur when the backend is going to exit anyway so the memory would have been freed |
| [16:49:32] | wagnerrp: | shh... dont tell them |
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| [16:49:48] | sphery: | yeah, because, you know, it's impossible to jail break any digital device as advanced as the iPhone^H^H^H^Had |
| [16:49:59] | gbee: | I fixed them to shut cppcheck up, not because there was any value in doing so |
| [16:50:15] | wagnerrp: | gbee: figured as much by the 'fatal exception' part |
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| [16:52:28] | wagnerrp: | well a survey of unique addresses on the internet puts IPv6 at about 1% uptake |
| [16:52:36] | gbee: | that high? |
| [16:52:51] | wagnerrp: | apparently some people actually switched TO comcast to take part in their recent volunteer trial |
| [16:54:03] | wagnerrp: | gbee: thats just a count of unique addresses hitting the internet |
| [16:54:12] | gbee: | IPv6 has so far generated nothing more than a 'meh' from me |
| [16:54:13] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt take into account multiple users behind an IPv4 NAT |
| [16:54:31] | wagnerrp: | or one user rotating between multiple IPv6 addresses |
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| [16:56:08] | wagnerrp: | gbee: i hate NAT, it does nothing but prevent me from doing all sorts of things with my setup (SSL vhosts on apache for example) |
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| [16:56:56] | sphery: | I use non-SSL vhosts that redirect to SSL applications |
| [16:58:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: SNI |
| [16:58:40] | Beirdo: | blarf :) |
| [16:59:08] | Beirdo: | I hate my cubicle |
| [16:59:15] | Beirdo: | people can sneak up on me :) |
| [16:59:19] | bjd: | lol |
| [16:59:35] | Beirdo: | of course, what can they do now, fire me?? :) |
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| [16:59:42] | sphery: | kormoc: nice |
| [16:59:50] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: stop coming up with alternate solutions to my complaints about NAT |
| [16:59:50] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication |
| [16:59:57] | wagnerrp: | :P |
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| [17:00:50] | kormoc: | Hehe |
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| [17:11:38] | Saviq: | hi all, I have created a new input source and rescanned the channels, but now all the schedules that were bound to a channel are lost with no channel to record on, is there any way I can put new channels into the old schedules or do I have to recreate the schedules from scratch? |
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| [17:12:36] | sphery: | Saviq: you shouldn't be use "this channel" rules for the most part |
| [17:12:46] | Saviq: | yeah I suppose |
| [17:13:01] | sphery: | Saviq: but if you do, you can likely get the old channel ID's with the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [17:13:12] | sphery: | or you can just edit each rule and change it to an any channel rule |
| [17:13:21] | sphery: | (/every/ single rule on my system is any channel) |
| [17:13:57] | sphery: | and, if you feel you must keep using "this channel" rules, you can then find a showing on the right channel and edit it back to a "this channel" rule |
| [17:14:27] | Saviq: | ok thanks |
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| [17:14:52] | Saviq: | that's the trick |
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| [17:17:28] | sphery: | PsychoI3oy: FWIW, if you have messed up input connections (video sources, channels, inputs), a partial restore is the wrong way to fix it. The right way is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [17:18:04] | sphery: | PsychoI3oy: I highly recommend you do a full restore of the backup you made before you started doing the partial restore, then just do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [17:31:13] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, thanks for that |
| [17:31:57] | PsychoI3oy: | i think i tried deleting all and re-inserting, but it may have been something else |
| [17:32:14] | PsychoI3oy: | encoder 19, 20, and 21 here we come |
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| [17:34:41] | Saviq: | hmm still no way to bind title search to a channel? |
| [17:36:02] | sphery: | PsychoI3oy: if you Delete all video sources, it won't be 19,20,21--it will be 1,2,3 |
| [17:36:18] | PsychoI3oy: | wasn't the last time |
| [17:36:23] | sphery: | Saviq: custom recording rules (Power Recording Rules) |
| [17:36:23] | PsychoI3oy: | or the time before that |
| [17:36:37] | PsychoI3oy: | i was at 9/14/15 on saturday |
| [17:36:46] | Saviq: | sphery: oh, right, thanks, haven't dived in there yet |
| [17:36:52] | sphery: | PsychoI3oy: then you're not doing Delete all video sources |
| [17:36:58] | PsychoI3oy: | hmm |
| [17:37:26] | sphery: | If the problem may be capture cards, you should also do Delete all capture cards (and not Delete all capture cards on <hostname>) |
| [17:37:35] | gbee: | Saviq: not without hacking it into the database |
| [17:37:46] | PsychoI3oy: | lemme nuke the DB as it sits and restore the backup |
| [17:37:48] | Saviq: | gbee: right |
| [17:37:50] | gbee: | or the custom rule editor |
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| [17:46:30] | PsychoI3oy: | alrighty, scanning digital channels again...... |
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| [17:53:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:54:08] | Beirdo: | I think yr.no uses Ruby on Rails |
| [17:54:20] | wagnerrp: | doesnt everyone? |
| [17:54:30] | Beirdo: | they left in a commented <%= %> chunk |
| [17:54:34] | PsychoI3oy: | I use Emralds on Edges |
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| [17:55:38] | Dibblah: | Understanding the technology you're selling is a great thing. http://failblog.org/2010/03/24/tv-salesman-fail/ |
| [17:55:48] | ** wagnerrp gets back to work writing a class for a scrollable curses window ** | |
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| [17:56:46] | linus5: | anyone use mythtv on ubuntu 9.10 |
| [17:56:52] | wagnerrp: | so you can throw things a a plasma tv, and not have it end in tears? |
| [17:57:13] | wagnerrp: | i guess not |
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| [18:01:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: fun stuff :) |
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| [18:04:05] | wagnerrp: | is there any real scrolling capacity in curses? or do i just need to flush the window and redraw? |
| [18:04:17] | wagnerrp: | i see some stuff to insert and remove lines |
| [18:04:24] | wagnerrp: | but have no idea how that behaves |
| [18:04:49] | Beirdo: | I don't remember how I did it |
| [18:04:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:04:54] | Beirdo: | let me go look |
| [18:05:01] | PsychoI3oy: | wow they weren't kidding when they said 'test decryption' would make the dtv channel scan take longer |
| [18:05:24] | wagnerrp: | PsychoI3oy: yeah, instead of just waiting for a program table |
| [18:05:44] | wagnerrp: | it has to capture each individual program, and rest it for a proper mpeg stream |
| [18:06:00] | PsychoI3oy: | eh, i'm just curious anyway, haven't seen anything pop up |
| [18:06:02] | wagnerrp: | s/rest/test/ |
| [18:06:23] | Beirdo: | haha. |
| [18:06:29] | Beirdo: | OMG, I have a goto!? |
| [18:06:31] | PsychoI3oy: | but until this weekend I had Discovery on digital SD |
| [18:06:36] | Beirdo: | I had forgotten that |
| [18:06:45] | ** wagnerrp cues the utahrapter ** | |
| [18:06:47] | PsychoI3oy: | it disappeared sunday morning along with the local FOX in HD |
| [18:07:01] | ** PsychoI3oy stabs comcast in the face ** | |
| [18:07:13] | wagnerrp: | http://xkcd.com/292/ |
| [18:07:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: looks like I didn't try to scroll |
| [18:08:06] | Beirdo: | I clear the window, reprint the new log lines |
| [18:08:18] | Beirdo: | I don't remember WHY, but that's how I did it |
| [18:08:29] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [18:08:34] | Beirdo: | and then regenerate my scrollbars :) |
| [18:08:58] | Beirdo: | http://github.com/Beirdo/beirdobot/blob/master/bot/src/curses.c |
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| [18:09:29] | wagnerrp: | i need to start logging to a file for debugging this, since i cant very well log to screen |
| [18:09:47] | Beirdo: | around line 835 oon |
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| [18:16:18] | PsychoI3oy: | since I'm here, what are the SCTE channels? |
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| [18:21:32] | wagnerrp: | now to figure out how to print up and down arrows |
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| [18:22:10] | wagnerrp: | i suppose i could always use a 'v' for down |
| [18:24:43] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: not ? or ? ? |
| [18:25:05] | wagnerrp: | sure, i could use '?' for everything, but that may confuse people |
| [18:26:18] | kormoc: | http://chexed.com/ComputerTips/asciicodes.php |
| [18:28:00] | wagnerrp: | 30 and 31 would be ideal, but i cant get them to print |
| [18:29:37] | Beirdo: | ^ v work |
| [18:29:48] | Beirdo: | at worst |
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| [18:31:26] | wagnerrp: | bleh... i can always fix it with something better later |
| [18:31:31] | clever: | wagnerrp: one crude way to log your debug info would be to just write to /dev/pts/5 |
| [18:31:42] | clever: | youll wind up appearing in whatever xterm/ssh owns it |
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| [18:32:01] | Beirdo: | clever: that's not clever |
| [18:32:12] | clever: | more like a pipe then a file, but without the setup of a pipe |
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| [18:34:18] | Beirdo: | writing to random pts is not a good way to log |
| [18:34:34] | clever: | yeah, its something i would never commit to svn |
| [18:34:55] | Beirdo: | it's something I would never code :) |
| [18:35:02] | clever: | like a goto? |
| [18:35:03] | Beirdo: | syslog is a much better mechanism |
| [18:35:06] | tralph: | sphery: any idea what the idle power difference is between an dual-core and quad-core AMD CPU would be? |
| [18:35:21] | wagnerrp: | tralph: depends on the TDP |
| [18:35:36] | wagnerrp: | most dual cores are 45W or 65W |
| [18:35:50] | tralph: | idle power not TDP |
| [18:36:24] | Beirdo: | the goto had a use at one point. Now it just keeps me from having half the loop in a big if |
| [18:38:08] | clever: | break wouldnt do? |
| [18:38:29] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [18:38:38] | wagnerrp: | you cant break out of an if |
| [18:38:40] | wagnerrp: | only loops |
| [18:38:56] | PsychoI3oy: | blarg. |
| [18:39:12] | clever: | id have to see the code to know whats going on |
| [18:39:17] | Beirdo: | never mind |
| [18:39:27] | PsychoI3oy: | less failing to record; but the recordings from the analog side of the pchdtv5500 start out with about half a second of ok video then static |
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| [18:39:44] | PsychoI3oy: | leadtek bttv card records in its usual crappy quality |
| [18:40:46] | clever: | my bttv is even worse, due to crappy sound card drivers |
| [18:40:49] | clever: | the audio is horid |
| [18:41:02] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [18:41:21] | PsychoI3oy: | yeah, i always have fun figuring out the auio on this one |
| [18:41:23] | PsychoI3oy: | audio |
| [18:41:24] | clever: | and one day, the ati video board became the default sound device and screwed it up |
| [18:41:32] | PsychoI3oy: | doh |
| [18:41:35] | clever: | instead of bothering to fix it, i just gave up on that slave |
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| [18:41:49] | clever: | it wasnt until months later that i noticed why sound didnt work |
| [18:41:54] | Beirdo: | whip it harder next time. stupid slave |
| [18:42:04] | clever: | the sound card itself is horidly screwed up |
| [18:42:16] | clever: | i had to unmute linein on the playback side (not capture) to capture it |
| [18:42:24] | clever: | which then caused all audio to blar out the speakers |
| [18:42:33] | ** PsychoI3oy sadface ** | |
| [18:42:34] | clever: | so i then had to mute the master playback |
| [18:42:42] | ** PsychoI3oy deletes rule to record Dollhouse ** | |
| [18:43:18] | PsychoI3oy: | clever, can't mute linein on the output sidE? |
| [18:44:01] | clever: | PsychoI3oy: if i do that, then i mute what i'm capturing also |
| [18:44:21] | PsychoI3oy: | wow that is a bad sound card |
| [18:44:39] | clever: | it took hours of trial&error with settings that made no sense at all |
| [18:44:52] | clever: | while shoving audio into every input (mp3 player and bttv card) |
| [18:45:07] | clever: | and playing the active recording in another room to hear the result |
| [18:45:12] | PsychoI3oy: | the onboard on the mobo i just threw in is a little finicky but once I remembered the v4lctl line to unmute the card, i got it working |
| [18:45:13] | Saviq: | hmm when I play something live, it stutters unless I rewind it back and play a second or so behind, ideas? |
| [18:45:19] | clever: | the leason, we should delete BTTV support from mythtv :P |
| [18:45:34] | PsychoI3oy: | Saviq, that's just kinda the way it is, I think |
| [18:46:19] | clever: | Saviq: i sometimes get that even on old recordings, it just needs to be given a chance to cache more sometimes |
| [18:46:21] | Saviq: | yeah I encountered that earlier, too, but it went away by itself, too... now I reset everything up it's back again... |
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| [18:49:09] | clever: | Beirdo, wagnerrp: you guys with me on nuking framegrabber support? :P |
| [18:49:20] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [18:49:29] | PsychoI3oy: | oh |
| [18:49:30] | PsychoI3oy: | huh |
| [18:49:35] | Beirdo: | it's not really our call |
| [18:49:36] | wagnerrp: | isnt most of your stuff framegrabbers? |
| [18:49:46] | PsychoI3oy: | the video sources are 1/2/3 now |
| [18:49:49] | PsychoI3oy: | whodathunkit |
| [18:49:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: only 1 card which i havent used for atleast a year now |
| [18:50:24] | wagnerrp: | while framegrabbers arent at all recommended, supporting them isnt preventing mythtv from doing anything |
| [18:50:35] | wagnerrp: | unlike dragging along Xv/XvMC support |
| [18:50:50] | clever: | what can opengl do that xv cant? |
| [18:51:08] | wagnerrp: | handle compositing |
| [18:51:17] | clever: | semi-transparent OSD? |
| [18:51:38] | Beirdo: | what CAN'T OpenGL do? :) |
| [18:51:59] | clever: | Beirdo: it cant render any video on either of my frontends! |
| [18:52:02] | wagnerrp: | myth's current OSD has to render the display, cook it to YUV, and then overlay it on top of the video for the graphics hardware to then scale, convert, and output |
| [18:52:07] | Beirdo: | Xv we are stuck with for a while anyways |
| [18:52:19] | wagnerrp: | with opengl, you just send multiple layers to the video card |
| [18:52:26] | wagnerrp: | and have it handle everything automagically |
| [18:52:30] | Beirdo: | XvMC... not so much :) So long sucker. |
| [18:52:55] | clever: | wagnerrp: overlaying the OSD on the video before you XV it to the card? |
| [18:53:08] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, yes |
| [18:53:18] | clever: | ah, thats how i was thinking you could do it |
| [18:53:23] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [18:53:30] | clever: | and perfectly explains why the OSD must be rendered at the video res |
| [18:54:21] | clever: | its basicaly got a .bmp of the frame in mythfrontend memory, and overlays the osd manualy, then uses shm to push it to x and the vid card for scaling |
| [18:54:50] | wagnerrp: | basically, not-opengl is a UI limiting factor, framegrabbers are just annoying |
| [18:55:43] | wagnerrp: | while im all for abandoning framegrabbers, it gains nothing, besides deleting some already-written code |
| [18:56:31] | PsychoI3oy: | bleh, overrides for the next few things to record on analog, i can't figure the pchd analog thing out |
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| [18:57:26] | clever: | wagnerrp: it looks like -vo gl on mplayer has no trouble rendering video |
| [18:57:29] | PsychoI3oy: | i think my list of things-to-fix is down to nuvexport and the analog tuner |
| [18:57:33] | clever: | so my gl problems before are with mythtv itself |
| [18:57:37] | PsychoI3oy: | we'll see |
| [18:57:41] | Saviq: | clever: any way to make the buffer bigger by default? will the HD RingBuffer setting have any impact? |
| [18:58:01] | wagnerrp: | Saviq: mythtv no longer uses a ringbuffer for recording |
| [18:58:10] | clever: | Saviq: i had similar problems on my 802.11b card before, i think the buffer size is hard-coded |
| [18:58:19] | clever: | i remember hacking it to make the buffer 10x bigger |
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| [18:58:32] | Beirdo: | !trout clever |
| [18:58:32] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [18:58:34] | clever: | but you still need to give it a chance to fill the buffer, and the dumb thing stops filling when you pause :P |
| [18:58:36] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [18:58:37] | wasch_lappen: | hi |
| [18:59:32] | wasch_lappen: | is playing iso files over sg possible with 0.23? |
| [18:59:36] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:59:43] | wasch_lappen: | no... :( |
| [19:00:11] | wasch_lappen: | so best solution would be? |
| [19:00:26] | wagnerrp: | use NFS and local files, or stop using ISOs |
| [19:00:30] | Saviq: | yeah I suppose three switches in between can make the difference... hope to change that soon |
| [19:00:43] | wasch_lappen: | i like isos :) |
| [19:00:50] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [19:01:10] | wagnerrp: | do you honestly look at that bonus content? |
| [19:01:25] | wasch_lappen: | most the time not :) |
| [19:01:30] | clever: | it can always be extracted to a seperate .mpg |
| [19:01:37] | gbee: | but I paid for it ... |
| [19:01:47] | wasch_lappen: | aehm yes :) |
| [19:01:47] | clever: | does SG's support VIDEO_TS? |
| [19:01:52] | gbee: | clever: and that's tidier, how? |
| [19:01:54] | clever: | that would give the same support |
| [19:01:56] | wagnerrp: | no, for the same reason it doesnt support ISOs |
| [19:02:00] | clever: | ah |
| [19:02:04] | wasch_lappen: | hm ok |
| [19:02:21] | wagnerrp: | the external dvd library handles all dvd structure |
| [19:02:38] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: how are you? |
| [19:02:44] | wagnerrp: | so ISOs and VIDEO_TS folders both have the same issue |
| [19:02:49] | clever: | and are trying to use the normal read() and open() calls |
| [19:02:51] | wasch_lappen: | the problem originally was that i did not find a good solution to create videos from dvd |
| [19:03:18] | wagnerrp: | clever: correct, so the solution is to wrap those calls with ones myth will use to feed it storage group content |
| [19:03:18] | wasch_lappen: | cmdline |
| [19:03:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: this is where we could learn some things from sqlite, its API lets you swap out the entire OS API for custom ones |
| [19:03:41] | clever: | so you can give it a private open/read/malloc function |
| [19:03:48] | wagnerrp: | thats the plan |
| [19:03:49] | Beirdo: | bleh |
| [19:04:06] | Beirdo: | yr.no doesn't show "current conditions" |
| [19:04:31] | AndyCap: | For where? |
| [19:04:58] | wagnerrp: | anywhere |
| [19:04:58] | Beirdo: | !Norway |
| [19:05:09] | wagnerrp: | its available on the page, but not through the API |
| [19:05:09] | Beirdo: | it may not for Norway either, I dunno |
| [19:05:09] | AndyCap: | haha. :) |
| [19:05:22] | Beirdo: | I don't even see it on the page |
| [19:05:59] | ** wagnerrp wonders if hell be able to clear this thing in under 1k lines ** | |
| [19:06:01] | Beirdo: | the hourly graph is cool though |
| [19:06:15] | clever: | ok, opengl on my ati laptop is out of the question |
| [19:06:23] | clever: | even mplayer takes 1sec to transfer each frame |
| [19:06:35] | wasch_lappen: | has anybody an advice for me how i convert dvds to whatever myth plays in comandline? |
| [19:06:44] | AndyCap: | I guess they're more concerned with forecasting than what you could gather by looking out the window. :P |
| [19:06:52] | Beirdo: | |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: yeah |
| [19:07:23] | Beirdo: | but mythweather seems to put the copyright notice on the current conditions screen... |
| [19:07:27] | wasch_lappen: | well i tried but i did not find a good solution |
| [19:07:36] | Beirdo: | which I can't fill in :) |
| [19:07:41] | clever: | wasch_lappen: i'm thinking mencoder dvd:// -dvd-device /path/to/file.iso -ovc copy -oac copy -o output.avi, but there is probly better stuff |
| [19:08:05] | wagnerrp: | dont do avi... |
| [19:08:28] | clever: | mpg should also work seamlessly |
| [19:10:09] | Beirdo: | beer would work seamlessly |
| [19:10:31] | wasch_lappen: | thx :) |
| [19:10:53] | Beirdo: | just start drinking until you forget all about it |
| [19:10:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [19:14:02] | AndyCap: | that sounds tempting |
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| [19:20:15] | natanojl: | Beirdo: Are you writing a grabber for yr.no? I've started on one myself... |
| [19:20:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: dont forget about the window resize signal when making your curses app |
| [19:20:31] | Beirdo: | I'm almost done |
| [19:20:35] | Beirdo: | and yes |
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| [19:21:45] | natanojl: | Ah, ok. 3/6-day forecast? |
| [19:24:09] | Beirdo: | yeah, 3/6 day will be pretty much all |
| [19:24:48] | Beirdo: | but it should be done tonight, hopefully :) |
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| [19:27:38] | natanojl: | Are you using the API or http://www.yr.no/place/<country>/<re . . . orecast.xml? |
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| [19:29:07] | wagnerrp: | im going to have to completely rewrite this once i actually get it working |
| [19:29:10] | wagnerrp: | this is some ugly code |
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| [19:30:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:30:25] | Beirdo: | function first, then beauty |
| [19:31:17] | wagnerrp: | well its a learning process... have to figure out how to do it, to figure out how to do it properly |
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| [19:33:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah... turning on logging |
| [19:45:44] | abqjp: | j-rod: I have an original Antec Fusion, with the VFD display. I had the display working a long time ago, but have not bothered in the last year. Just tried to get it working again with F12, and LCDproc spits out errors about data size (8 instead of 32 or visa-versa). Google suggests that I need to load the lirc module with a display_type=1, but the lirc module says there is no such option. I am not at home right now, but though I wou |
| [19:45:44] | abqjp: | if you had any ideas while you are about. |
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| [19:47:00] | j-rod: | abqjp: options imon display_type=1 instead of options lirc_imon display_type=1 |
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| [19:47:08] | j-rod: | if you're running the latest F12 kernel |
| [19:47:29] | abqjp: | Ah. That is probably it. Thanks. |
| [19:47:30] | j-rod: | 0xffdc and newer imon devices are driven by a pure input layer 'imon' driver instead of lirc_imon |
| [19:48:12] | j-rod: | you also probably really want the latest kernel in updates-testing, has copious imon driver enhancements in it |
| [19:48:22] | abqjp: | Mine does not have an IR receiver, just the knob. Are you saying not to use lirc at all. |
| [19:48:33] | j-rod: | shouldn't need to |
| [19:48:53] | j-rod: | the knob should send volume up, volume down and mute on press via the input subsystem |
| [19:49:04] | abqjp: | Okay. I will give that a try. I can pull that kernel as well. Thanks. |
| [19:49:11] | j-rod: | I do use my imon device w/lirc using the devinput userspace lircd driver |
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| [19:50:00] | j-rod: | but if you've got no IR receiver, no real need, unless you want the volume stuff to relay volume info to myth's native volume handling |
| [19:50:16] | abqjp: | I don't use the knob or anything, so I just want the display to work. |
| [19:50:35] | abqjp: | I use S/PDIF out, so I don't use Myth's internal volume controls. |
| [19:51:55] | j-rod: | likewise |
| [19:52:05] | j-rod: | so in your case, yeah, no need for lirc anything for that |
| [19:52:19] | abqjp: | Cool. That is very helpful info. Thanks again. |
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| [20:01:02] | sphery: | tralph: Sorry for the slow reply--tried to reply earlier, but my cable Internet connection was down (at least it gave me a chance to swap out the PSU in the server to an 80 PLUS :). Unfortunately, I don't have a good answer, though. I don't really have systems that idle (BOINC/SETI@home). It doesn't seem there's much info out there, though--like a nice comparison of an Athlon II X4 600e/605e (2.0/2.2GHz 45W TDP quad core), ... |
| [20:01:07] | sphery: | ... and Athlon II X3 400e/405e (2.0/2.2GHz 45W TDP tri-core), and Athlon II X2 235e/240e (2.7/2.8GHz 45W TDP dual-core). |
| [20:06:53] | ** sphery wonders if the lack of such reviews may be due to the difficulty of obtaining said processors ** | |
| [20:09:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:09:29] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [20:09:36] | Beirdo: | curse this work nonsense |
| [20:09:54] | Beirdo: | I want my new job already :) |
| [20:10:20] | Beirdo: | this must be kinda like what the president feels like after he's been voted out of power. |
| [20:10:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:10:32] | ** Beirdo is the lame duck employee ** | |
| [20:12:32] | ** Beirdo quacks ** | |
| [20:12:38] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: get a job that has security throw you out the second that you turn in your resignation? |
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| [20:12:42] | tralph: | sphery: I found almost exactly what I was looking for -> http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2452&page=2 |
| [20:13:26] | tralph: | sphery: only a 2-watt idle power difference between an X2 250 and X4 620 |
| [20:15:28] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty impressive |
| [20:15:34] | sphery: | nice |
| [20:15:43] | sphery: | I knew that they can disable parts of the processor that aren't in use |
| [20:15:55] | wagnerrp: | and only $95 off newegg |
| [20:16:00] | sphery: | plus the voltage reductions, but I didn't know how effective it would be |
| [20:16:06] | sphery: | those are 65W? |
| [20:16:19] | wagnerrp: | 95 |
| [20:16:46] | sphery: | oh... I'd love a nice 605e, quad-core 45W |
| [20:17:09] | sphery: | Actually, I'd be perfectly content with a 240e, dual-core 45W |
| [20:17:20] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: they can't. 2 weeks notice and all :) |
| [20:17:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: they have to pay you, doesnt mean youre allowed in the building |
| [20:18:03] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well, true... but I have work to finish, and knowledge to transfer |
| [20:18:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:18:28] | Beirdo: | I wish they WOULD just tell me to stay home, but not these cheap-asses |
| [20:18:49] | Beirdo: | they'll try to work every ounce of blood out of the stone first |
| [20:20:27] | wagnerrp: | does nvidia's 'hybrid sli' work with non-nvidia graphics? |
| [20:20:33] | wagnerrp: | or does it have to be an nvidia IGP |
| [20:21:51] | wagnerrp: | seems its about 30W more than the 250 under load |
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| [20:41:39] | donDTF: | hi i was wondering if anyone could help me, i upgraded from 0.21 to 0.22, i didnt run into any major problems, but ever since then my frontend only displays a black screen with sound when i play any video |
| [20:42:58] | donDTF: | i set the playback profile to vdpau, compiled vcdpau support into mplayer/xine-libs, tested it with some avi's... playedbacked ok |
| [20:43:12] | donDTF: | but mythfrontend still displays a blackscreen.. |
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| [20:45:12] | wagnerrp: | what card do you have? |
| [20:45:42] | donDTF: | GeForce 9800 GTX |
| [20:45:58] | wagnerrp: | so youre using the 'VDPAU High Quality' profile? |
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| [20:46:49] | donDTF: | yeah... thats the one ive put the most effort into getting to work.. since the upgrade none of the profiles produce anything other than a black screen |
| [20:47:18] | wagnerrp: | even Slim does nothing? |
| [20:47:32] | donDTF: | same, black screen |
| [20:47:58] | wagnerrp: | youre using the nvidia drivers? not nv or noveau? |
| [20:49:38] | donDTF: | yeah im using the nvidia binary drivers, version 190.42-r3 |
| [20:50:31] | donDTF: | is there a recommended debug flag i could use on the mythfrontend binary to get more info when its enabling video? |
| [20:50:42] | wagnerrp: | where did you get your binary? |
| [20:50:52] | donDTF: | gentoo depot |
| [20:51:00] | wagnerrp: | so you didnt get a binary |
| [20:51:10] | wagnerrp: | paste your config.ep from your compile |
| [20:51:13] | donDTF: | 0.22_p23069 |
| [20:51:55] | kormoc: | use -v most |
| [20:52:50] | Beirdo: | kormoc: should go change that to -v spew :) |
| [20:53:01] | wagnerrp: | nah, thats 'all' |
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| [20:53:09] | Beirdo: | oh, right :) |
| [20:53:14] | wagnerrp: | ive still got my bet on a hosed compile |
| [20:53:16] | Beirdo: | all is DEFINITELY a spew :) |
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| [20:53:45] | donDTF: | hrm interesting, it thinks its playing it |
| [20:53:51] | donDTF: | 'video_output' mean = '33365.09', std. dev. = '23.36', fps = '29.97' |
| [20:53:53] | donDTF: | over and over heh |
| [20:54:16] | wagnerrp: | or broken video that ffmpeg was updated to not play? |
| [20:56:04] | donDTF: | doesnt look like my use flags are messed up, unless i need v4l on the frontend now? |
| [20:56:24] | wagnerrp: | v4l is for framegrabbers |
| [20:56:24] | donDTF: | mplayer/xine plays the mpegs on the backend just fine. they also play fine through mythweb |
| [20:56:28] | donDTF: | yeah... |
| [20:56:31] | wagnerrp: | we need your config.ep |
| [20:57:21] | wagnerrp: | start a recompile, cancel it... it will be in /var/tmp/portage/media-tv/mythtv/config.ep |
| [20:57:45] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [20:59:18] | gbee: | gentoo ... why am I not surprised |
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| [20:59:45] | donDTF: | wagnerrp: where do you want it? |
| [20:59:51] | donDTF: | gbee: hey now :P |
| [21:00:01] | wagnerrp: | a pastebin website |
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| [21:00:13] | wagnerrp: | most of them should support uploading the raw file |
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| [21:02:16] | donDTF: | none so far ;p |
| [21:02:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [21:04:59] | donDTF: | lol i think its too big |
| [21:05:06] | donDTF: | limit of 150,000 bytes |
| [21:05:10] | donDTF: | 156K config.ep |
| [21:05:27] | donDTF: | is there a certain part of it you want to see or should i use filebin? |
| [21:06:01] | wagnerrp: | try filebin.ca then |
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| [21:08:34] | donDTF: | filebin wasnt working so i used another place to upload it |
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| [21:09:12] | donDTF: | http://64.247.16.112/~chris/config.ep |
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| [21:12:43] | Saviq: | hi all, any way I can see what's changed between ~r..... versions? |
| [21:12:51] | Saviq: | (of mythtv, that is) |
| [21:13:21] | iamlindoro: | Read the commit logs |
| [21:14:02] | wagnerrp: | so i guess that means the 32-bit compile bug on gentoo was resolved |
| [21:14:24] | donDTF: | ? |
| [21:14:57] | wagnerrp: | there was some issue where gentoo set a bad '--march=' |
| [21:15:07] | wagnerrp: | which cause the compile to fail on any 32-bit machine |
| [21:15:45] | donDTF: | ah |
| [21:15:53] | donDTF: | this is successfull yup no problems there |
| [21:16:32] | sphery: | I think the 32-bit compile bug only appeared when using a hardened profile |
| [21:17:03] | wagnerrp: | nope, i dont use hardened |
| [21:17:49] | donDTF: | i wonder why the upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22 would cause a blackscreen, maybe qt4 problems? |
| [21:17:58] | donDTF: | sucks that myth thinks everything is working fine heh |
| [21:18:01] | sphery: | video driver problems |
| [21:18:13] | donDTF: | yeah i tried different versions... unstable, stable etc... |
| [21:18:20] | sphery: | donDTF: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407386#407386 |
| [21:18:26] | sphery: | the exports at the top |
| [21:19:00] | gbee: | the fact that it happens no matter which profile you chose suggests that's it's the video driver |
| [21:20:10] | donDTF: | yeah i agree but it works in mplayer and xine |
| [21:20:23] | donDTF: | no matter what video method i chose, xv, vdpau, x11, opengl.. |
| [21:20:41] | ** sphery wonders if donDTF tried the solution above ** | |
| [21:20:46] | donDTF: | i just did |
| [21:20:49] | donDTF: | same thing. |
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| [21:21:08] | sphery: | is it immediately upon starting mythfrontend or only during playback? |
| [21:21:45] | donDTF: | only during playback |
| [21:21:55] | wagnerrp: | aside from far to many configure options, i dont see a problem with the config |
| [21:22:12] | donDTF: | sometimes the please wait loading... stays up like that thread says, sometimes it goes all black -v most shows it as playing normally |
| [21:23:09] | donDTF: | yeah i bet its somet stupid config option im missing |
| [21:23:21] | donDTF: | something new/different between the upgrade since everything was working fine 0.21 |
| [21:23:30] | sphery: | donDTF: why are you using --enable-glx-procaddrarb ? It's been known to cause issues and it has absolutely no benefit for people who compile themselves |
| [21:23:49] | donDTF: | no idea heh |
| [21:23:55] | donDTF: | not sure what that does |
| [21:24:24] | sphery: | it's only purpose is to allow you to compile in such a way that the same binary works on systems with and without proper GL support. If you're compiling yourself, it's irrelevant. |
| [21:24:35] | mzb: | where is the setting for how much space to keep free? |
| [21:24:52] | ** mzb thought it was in mythtv-setup somewhere, but now can't find it ** | |
| [21:24:52] | sphery: | and really, you shouldn't use --cpu=i686 |
| [21:25:07] | sphery: | and ideally, you'd just do: ./configure --enable-proc-opt |
| [21:25:26] | sphery: | but I think the i686 thing is something that Gentoo forces on you |
| [21:25:27] | donDTF: | thats through gentoo portage... it probably sets some stuff i dont know about :) |
| [21:25:31] | gbee: | <grumpy> or gentoo if you don't know what these things do </grumpy> |
| [21:25:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:26:23] | sphery: | it would /sure/ be nice if Gentoo had an ebuild that didn't try to outsmart MythTV's configure script |
| [21:26:54] | sphery: | one where you could enable a single configure argument with a single USE flag for --enable-proc-opt and it didn't put other garbage in there |
| [21:27:29] | mzb: | where is the setting for how much space to keep free in each storage group? |
| [21:27:32] | sphery: | but, hey, you get a nice, optimized build, right? So well optimized that it cut out the unimportant stuff--like the ability to draw the video. |
| [21:27:43] | donDTF: | alright i'll just down -rel and compile by hand and see if that works better |
| [21:28:00] | donDTF: | thats how i used to run it anyway |
| [21:28:05] | donDTF: | its just easier to keep everything in portage heh |
| [21:29:00] | mzb: | (or even what the setting is called?) |
| [21:29:12] | sphery: | mzb: mythfrontend, Utilities/Setup|Setup|General settings, General (AutoExpire) screen |
| [21:29:14] | mzb: | hmmm ... AutoExpireExtraSpace |
| [21:29:20] | mzb: | ok, thanks |
| [21:29:23] | sphery: | don't edit the setting directly, please |
| [21:29:26] | mzb: | :) |
| [21:29:54] | sphery: | and remember it applies to /every/ filesystem--it's not a grand total |
| [21:30:00] | mzb: | err |
| [21:30:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery: it's all your fault |
| [21:30:21] | sphery: | so if you set it to 200 and you have a 500GB HD and a 250GB hard drive, Myth will delete things when you get 50GB used on your 250GB |
| [21:30:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Clearly you like it so much that you refuse to embed MySQL ;) |
| [21:30:28] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:30:35] | mzb: | I'm running trunk, I don't see it |
| [21:31:00] | sphery: | It's right where I said on trunk (I looked in trunk) |
| [21:31:15] | mzb: | yes yes ... know how it works ... decided to increase it as a) I now do HD and b) got more storage |
| [21:31:32] | sphery: | OK, just making sure. |
| [21:31:41] | mzb: | k, thx |
| [21:32:27] | mzb: | k, I guess that setting would only be available on the MBE? |
| [21:33:19] | mzb: | nope ... not there |
| [21:33:34] | mzb: | ah |
| [21:34:05] | sphery: | mythfrontend |
| [21:34:11] | sphery: | 03.25 17:29:11 <+sphery> mzb: mythfrontend, Utilities/Setup|Setup|General settings, General (AutoExpire) screen |
| [21:34:16] | mzb: | Utilities/Setup | Setup | TV Settings | General |
| [21:34:32] | sphery: | oops, yeah |
| [21:34:39] | sphery: | sorry, I missed one level |
| [21:35:05] | sphery: | we have too many settings--when we have too many levels to quote |
| [21:35:05] | mzb: | nm, thanks for your help |
| [21:35:08] | mzb: | :) |
| [21:35:50] | mzb: | now that's fixed I can get back to the "fun" stuff ;) |
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| [21:36:13] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Compute . . . Cupboard.gif |
| [21:36:23] | wagnerrp: | donDTF: you dont want to download the release version |
| [21:36:24] | mzb: | (explicit warning?) |
| [21:36:33] | wagnerrp: | you want to at least pull 0.22-fixes |
| [21:36:41] | donDTF: | yeah i realised i didnt want to do that because the backend was 23069 |
| [21:36:43] | wagnerrp: | and you may just want to consider bumping to 0.23-fixes |
| [21:36:47] | donDTF: | so i just used the same src that portage used |
| [21:37:23] | mzb: | note: that was the _only_ piece of MDF (or anything) that I had lying around that would suit a cupboard door (except for some yellowtoungue flooring) |
| [21:38:11] | mzb: | this is the latest step in "mythtv total house domination" ;) |
| [21:38:35] | wagnerrp: | hope you never have to move/replace any of that stuff |
| [21:38:51] | ** sphery needs a router cupboard for his wood shop ** | |
| [21:39:04] | mzb: | I've been using most of it for years (in various forms) |
| [21:39:10] | sphery: | nice animation, though |
| [21:39:28] | mzb: | the back of the panel on the left can be removed from the other side |
| [21:39:33] | sphery: | though it does go NSFW |
| [21:39:35] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:39:44] | mzb: | NSFW? |
| [21:39:52] | sphery: | not-safe-for-work (at some work sites) |
| [21:39:57] | mzb: | was fun to make |
| [21:40:01] | mzb: | hehe ... yeah |
| [21:40:17] | mzb: | ah well ... it's all I had |
| [21:40:32] | ** gbee ponders the idea of a backdoor in MythTV which would grant him total domination over mzb's house ** | |
| [21:40:36] | mzb: | not even sure I'll be able to afford paint at this rate! ;) |
| [21:40:42] | mzb: | hehe |
| [21:41:04] | mzb: | that could be scary ... the BBQ is going to be hooked into the system as well! |
| [21:41:17] | wagnerrp: | erm... why? |
| [21:41:30] | wagnerrp: | like you could turn it on a pre-heat it from your remote? |
| [21:41:35] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Smoker/ . . . ual_mode.jpg |
| [21:41:59] | mzb: | imagine popups that say "Chicken cooked, beef ready in 30mins" ;) |
| [21:42:04] | sphery: | use commflag information to determine when a viewer will want a snack, then preheat the grill appropriately |
| [21:42:08] | sphery: | seems obvious enough |
| [21:42:14] | wagnerrp: | ah, different kind of thing than im thinking of |
| [21:42:23] | mzb: | ie: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Smoker/ . . . 03_2.5hr.jpg |
| [21:42:39] | wagnerrp: | im thinking of a grill that you can let sit maybe 5min before having to go out and flip the meat |
| [21:42:46] | mzb: | ah |
| [21:43:01] | mzb: | no, this is 4–18 hour type of cooking |
| [21:43:13] | mzb: | eg 3.5–4 hours for a medium rare steak |
| [21:43:14] | gbee: | just make sure you have smoke alarms fitted |
| [21:43:33] | mzb: | hehe ... it's >10' from the house |
| [21:43:42] | sphery: | I relly need the reminder... I eat a /lot/ of burned food off the grill because I step inside, get distracted, and forget it. |
| [21:43:43] | mzb: | in the "BBQ" area |
| [21:44:07] | mzb: | I've almost finished the controller, and the (good) thermocouples have recently arrived |
| [21:45:58] | mzb: | sphery: I bought a couple of these as meat probes: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=p . . . oducts_id=27 |
| [21:46:17] | mzb: | I guess you could find something similar/cheaper in the UK |
| [21:48:06] | sphery: | mzb: are you actually able to read the value through a computer? |
| [21:48:07] | mzb: | sphery: I reckon timing a cook to coincide with the end of a movie might be more interesting ;) |
| [21:48:12] | mzb: | yes |
| [21:48:14] | sphery: | nice |
| [21:49:01] | mzb: | I've got 2x meat probes and drum temp multiplexed through a thermocouple amplifier and sampled with a microcontroller |
| [21:49:39] | mzb: | atm, that's as far as it goes, but I only need to spend about $2–3 on a transmitter module to make it wireless |
| [21:49:51] | mzb: | err ... actually I might already have one in stock ;) |
| [21:50:32] | mzb: | microcontroller runs PID software I've written and uses the drum temp to control the amount of air with a servo |
| [21:50:44] | sphery: | PID software? |
| [21:51:00] | mzb: | like the stuff they use for cruise control in cars |
| [21:51:28] | sphery: | like Toyota users? 8-| |
| [21:51:34] | mzb: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller |
| [21:51:35] | mzb: | :) |
| [21:51:56] | sphery: | cool |
| [21:52:07] | wagnerrp: | mzb: i wouldnt be able to build something like that corner unit... i just tinker too much |
| [21:52:54] | mzb: | yeah, I keep getting distracted ;) ... trying to avoid showing it to visitors => more opinions just give me more ideas ;) |
| [21:53:05] | wagnerrp: | as it is, ive got my stuff up against a wall in the basement, and i already hate having to go down there and pull something off the shelf, cables and everything attached, to do something to it |
| [21:53:16] | mzb: | as it is I'm already going to be doing 5–6 channels of PWM-controlled LED lights |
| [21:53:33] | wagnerrp: | now one of my friends has the perfect location in his house |
| [21:53:36] | mzb: | and I've got the father-in-law telling me to hurry up with the plastering :| |
| [21:53:55] | wagnerrp: | an unfinished access room in the basement behind the tv |
| [21:54:00] | mzb: | ah |
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| [21:54:26] | wagnerrp: | i keep telling him he should mount a pair of 4x4s floor-to-ceiling and use it as a makeshift rack |
| [21:54:36] | wagnerrp: | but hes not the home-server/file-squirrel type |
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| [21:55:11] | wagnerrp: | its hard enough trying to get him to not daisy chain switches throughout the house |
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| [21:56:19] | mzb: | hehe |
| [21:56:39] | mzb: | I've spent a lot of time doing the cabling in this house |
| [21:57:11] | mzb: | essentially two compete networks ... one 10/100 (mostly for phones) and one gigabit (mostly for mythtv) |
| [21:57:26] | mzb: | well ... I should say that's the way it's ended up |
| [21:57:58] | mzb: | ie: I had heaps of old cable, but it was time to upgrade so I went to cat6 |
| [21:58:10] | Saviq: | anyone successfully using VDPAU + Compiz? I either have compiz use ~ 30% cpu or some kind of vsync artifact (when something moves from right to left, it shows that the image is 'split' with a line travelling from top to down? |
| [21:59:09] | wagnerrp: | disable compiz |
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| [21:59:28] | wagnerrp: | its nothing but trouble for mythtv |
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| [21:59:57] | wagnerrp: | you could probably get by with the opengl video renderer, but vdpau in mythtv is not currently set up to use that |
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| [22:00:19] | Saviq: | wagnerrp: yes, I know that solution, just trying to see if I can get by with it – using my htpc for light web browsing and stuff, would be nice to have |
| [22:00:39] | wagnerrp: | problems with mythbrowser? |
| [22:00:57] | mzb: | right .. all fixed. Should be ready for the Australian F1 grand prix! ;) |
| [22:02:56] | Saviq: | wagnerrp: no, never got around to it, the idea of integrating a browser _into_ a media center doesn't seem right to me, using a second workspace with standard desktop / netbook UI provides a nice separation of the two |
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| [22:17:22] | sphery: | Why in the world would you need Compiz to do light web browsing with Firefox or whatever external browser? So you can browse on a cube? |
| [22:17:52] | sphery: | TTBOMK, you can still use GNOME (though it's a waste) and just have a different WM in it... |
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| [22:19:58] | sphery: | I suppose if it's critical that your browser burn up when you close it, you might be stuck with Compiz |
| [22:21:02] | Saviq: | sphery: it's not critical, I'm just trying things out |
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| [22:28:13] | Beirdo: | OK, time to head out. |
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| [23:22:36] | sphery: | Wow, at http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/tivo-premiere-review/ , as quoted in http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-March/284676.html , "it's the software that's received a substantial makeover this time around — it's migrated to Flash" |
| [23:22:49] | sphery: | we sure missed our opportunity when we kickbanned that Flash guy |
| [23:24:53] | gbee: | just in time to catch the death of Flash at the hands of Apple, Google and HTML 5 |
| [23:26:28] | wagnerrp: | flash guy? |
| [23:29:08] | k-man: | when i start lirc with the debian /etc/init.d/lirc start, it fails but doesn;t give me a reason why – however starting lircd directly seems to work ok |
| [23:29:18] | k-man: | any ideas how to track down the problem? |
| [23:29:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the interfact with animated flames guy who was very insulting in #mythtv a year or 2 back |
| [23:30:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, The guy with the flaming background flash-based theme from a year or two ago |
| [23:30:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: they tried to steal your background, but couldn't get the pixellation right: http://www.engadget.com/photos/tivo-premiere- . . . s-0/#2831487 |
| [23:30:38] | iamlindoro: | The one who suggested the (mostly done) MythUI work be scrapped and reworked according to his specifications-- yes, he volunteered to write a specification for someone else to implement ;) |
| [23:30:48] | sphery: | that's what they get for basing their UI off a pre-release version of Arclight |
| [23:31:04] | wagnerrp: | ah... i recall talk of the guy, but was never actually in while he was around |
| [23:31:05] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm sure they'll push the correct backgrounds out in a firmware update |
| [23:31:38] | sphery: | Hi, TiVo support? It seems there's a corrupt background on my system, now. I booted up today, and it's all pixellated. Can you e-mail me the right one? |
| [23:31:38] | iamlindoro: | There is much to steal from that setup too, though |
| [23:31:47] | iamlindoro: | such as the audio setup thing |
| [23:31:54] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:32:07] | iamlindoro: | That would be a great option-- change audio device, press a button to test-- and probably trivial to add |
| [23:32:42] | sphery: | we should also link the audio output and mixer devices so when they choose ALSA device, we set ALSA:default mixer |
| [23:32:43] | ** wagnerrp recalls Windows 95 having something like that ** | |
| [23:32:45] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:33:13] | ** iamlindoro suspects we've chosen the wrong segment of myth code to get our grubby hands on ** | |
| [23:33:21] | sphery: | TiVo DVRs have long featured a secret command that enables 30-second skip, but the Premiere does away with it — instead, there's a 30-second "scan" that moves forward in about a second by default. It's not as quick as the skip, but it's effective, and we're sure it's keeping advertisers happy, so we'll accept it as a fine compromise between the functionality users want and the demands of content providers. We're also hoping ... |
| [23:33:27] | sphery: | ... there's another secret command to enable the skip somewhere, of course. |
| [23:34:47] | sphery: | So, as commercial breaks are now pushing 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 minutes on many shows, that would require 9 or 11 pushes of that "secret skip compromise" and 10+ seconds of real time |
| [23:35:09] | wagnerrp: | sounds about what it takes me per break |
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| [23:35:27] | sphery: | It takes me one button press |
| [23:35:36] | sphery: | and "instant" skip |
| [23:36:18] | wagnerrp: | i have to tweak the position so it clips in just the right spot |
| [23:36:58] | wagnerrp: | oh, the tivo doesnt have any separate archival storage? |
| [23:38:06] | iamlindoro: | "What version of this thing do I have to download and install to get rid of the storage group nonsense and get a working system?" |
| [23:38:11] | iamlindoro: | (As overheard on the mythbuntu forums) |
| [23:38:20] | iamlindoro: | Job well done, boys |
| [23:38:26] | sphery: | nice |
| [23:39:04] | wagnerrp: | see... you try to do something to make things easier |
| [23:39:10] | wagnerrp: | you dont realize that users _want_ the hard way |
| [23:39:13] | sphery: | and better! |
| [23:39:15] | Saviq: | wow it's ugly... and they released it, like today? not 5yrs ago? |
| [23:39:30] | ** sphery hopes that means TiVo ** | |
| [23:39:36] | Saviq: | yes |
| [23:39:41] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:39:42] | Saviq: | see the 'they'? |
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| [23:49:42] | Laeborg: | Can I watch live tv with mythweb? |
| [23:49:50] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [23:50:08] | wagnerrp: | you can watch an in-progress recording |
| [23:50:19] | wagnerrp: | but you will have to repeatedly restart playback |
| [23:50:36] | wagnerrp: | it will only be able to stream up to the point that existed when you started playback |
| [23:51:53] | Laeborg: | Okay thanks. Another question. How do I set storeage group directories? |
| [23:52:04] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [23:52:14] | wagnerrp: | oh, set... i read get |
| [23:52:18] | wagnerrp: | you do that in mythtv-setup |
| [23:52:24] | Laeborg: | Ah okay |
| [23:52:40] | wagnerrp: | and you have to restart the backend after you change those settings |
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