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| [00:05:50] | wagnerrp: | that depends entirely on your distro |
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| [00:35:20] | resno: | wagnerrp: do you know if ubuntu-server includes the turner drivers? |
| [00:35:32] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [00:35:41] | wagnerrp: | people in #ubuntu would likely know |
| [00:35:49] | resno: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [01:21:20] | sphery: | why ubuntu-server headless? Why not just Mythbuntu and either don't plug a monitor into it or don't auto-start X/mythfrontend? |
| [01:22:16] | sphery: | No matter what (even with ubuntu-server) you still have X installed. And, in 2 out of 3 ways you're not running X. |
| [01:24:51] | iamlindoro: | HE has big plans for that 12 MB of RAM |
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| [01:30:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:31:50] | Wicked: | i have a video collection i would like to insert into mythtv....does mythtv stream videos like it does recordings?...ie all the videos could be on the backend....and have a remote frontend watch the videos. |
| [01:31:59] | Wicked: | or do videos have to be local to the frontend? |
| [01:32:32] | [R]: | Wicked: mythvideo in 0.22 can do storage groups from the backend |
| [01:33:03] | Wicked: | ah ok. awesome. so i should mount all my videos on the backend...then setup the videos there? |
| [01:33:13] | Wicked: | ie in mythtv-setup |
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| [01:34:18] | [R]: | with storage groups,k yes |
| [01:34:19] | Wicked: | i wish i didnt have so many recordings going tonight...i was gonna make the leap to trunk...but ran into issues earlier....and then didnt have enough time to install trunk and make sure its all working before my shows started |
| [01:34:29] | Wicked: | ok thanks [R] :) |
| [01:39:43] | sphery: | Wicked: read this first: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo |
| [01:40:02] | sphery: | it says what will work (and what will stop working) if you do MythVideo Storage Groups |
| [01:40:05] | Wicked: | ok. thanks sphery |
| [01:41:47] | Wicked: | ah. |
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| [01:55:33] | ** wagnerrp now wants to make MythTV OpenGL-only to please Phill Edwards on the mailing list ** | |
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| [01:58:02] | Chris__: | Okay, total noob question...in 9.10, does the scraper work automagically? Or do I need to run a script to grab, say, boxart? |
| [01:58:15] | wagnerrp: | for what? |
| [01:58:24] | Chris__: | box art primarily |
| [01:58:29] | wagnerrp: | what content? |
| [01:58:50] | Chris__: | Movies...mainly .avi files, some .iso, a smattering of .mp4 files |
| [01:59:01] | iamlindoro: | I really wish *someone* would explain to them that .22 themes are not compatible with .23, that they required changes, and that any theme written against .22 would be unusable with .23 |
| [01:59:23] | Chris__: | (tv shows as well, but I figure if I can find out how to get movie box art going, I can use that to figure out tv shows) |
| [01:59:31] | wagnerrp: | for mythvideo content, the built in scrapers should work against any content scanned in with 0.22 |
| [01:59:40] | iamlindoro: | so it's not like we arbitrarily "made" them work only with .23, the whole point was to be voting on themes to be made available with the release they coincide with |
| [01:59:41] | wagnerrp: | tv shows will only work when scanned in after 0.22 |
| [02:00:08] | wagnerrp: | there also exists jamu, packaged with mythvideo, and set up as a cron job in mythbuntu |
| [02:00:16] | wagnerrp: | which runs an external scraper for metadata |
| [02:00:24] | wagnerrp: | using the same sites as the internal grabbers in mythvideo |
| [02:01:18] | Chris__: | Okay, I'll look at jamu. But if I understand right, shouldn't 9.10 (running either .22 or .23, I can't remember which) already have obtained the box art for movies that were missing it? |
| [02:01:45] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, jamu is set up as a cron job under mythbuntu |
| [02:02:15] | wagnerrp: | 'cron job' being a job, that is run automatically on some preset interval, using the 'cron' daemon |
| [02:02:28] | Chris__: | Gotcha. Okay, I'll go play around with jamu. Aye, I know what a cron job is ;) |
| [02:02:33] | Chris__: | Thanks for the help! |
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| [02:03:23] | wagnerrp: | i really wonder what percentage of mythtv users exist without proper opengl support |
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| [02:03:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean nvidia has worked fine for the past decade, ati has been workable for several years |
| [02:04:22] | wagnerrp: | even intel has opengl support, if perhaps marginal opengl performance |
| [02:04:42] | wagnerrp: | is he speaking for all the Via and PVR-350 users? |
| [02:07:22] | iamlindoro: | Those users can suck it |
| [02:07:24] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [02:07:37] | iamlindoro: | and by suck it, I mean use .23 for as long as they like |
| [02:07:44] | wagnerrp: | well weve been saying that for as long as i can remember in here |
| [02:08:24] | iamlindoro: | but finally we actually have an opportunity to enforce that |
| [02:09:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: re: OpenGL, ++ |
| [02:10:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I attempted to explain that with: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/427431#427431 |
| [02:11:09] | wagnerrp: | even my 9yr old laptop runs mythtv/opengl just fine |
| [02:11:38] | wagnerrp: | of course it no longer has the power to decode any of my recordings |
| [02:11:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, but you didn't purposefully design a system that doesn't work well for MythTV... You know, like the Via EPIA users |
| [02:11:53] | wagnerrp: | but hey, i can have a pretty menu! |
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| [02:19:22] | sphery: | So, Undercover Boss is pretty good--and this coming from a guy who hates reality TV. |
| [02:19:32] | sphery: | I just have to wonder how they're going to do more than 1 season of it. |
| [02:19:34] | iamlindoro: | heh, I saw the hooters episode |
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| [02:19:46] | [R]: | sphery: what is it this week? |
| [02:19:51] | iamlindoro: | think I said the same in channel |
| [02:20:10] | sphery: | Because after this season, anyone who comes into work with a camera crew saying, "They're making a documentary on entry-level permissions" will be tipping off everyone at the job site. |
| [02:20:16] | [R]: | sphery: its such a load of crap though... its just a huge pr stunt... |
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| [02:20:31] | sphery: | GSI Commerce |
| [02:20:42] | sphery: | (don't know who they are, yet--haven't watched this week's) |
| [02:20:48] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [02:20:57] | sphery: | I think the first one--Waste Management--was the best. |
| [02:21:24] | iamlindoro: | Waste Management didn't have Hooters Girls! |
| [02:21:52] | sphery: | At the end, the CEO made changes that were a) meaningful, b) helpful to the employees (and not just token gestures), c) things that may have a long-term benefit |
| [02:22:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you sound like the bad manager on that episode! |
| [02:22:16] | sphery: | no reindeer games... that's just wrong |
| [02:22:28] | ** iamlindoro makes sphery eat a plate of beans without his hands to get off early ** | |
| [02:22:29] | sphery: | I'm really surprised that guy let them air that. |
| [02:22:37] | sphery: | I have to wonder what he got payed for it... |
| [02:22:56] | iamlindoro: | I think that episode portrayed Hooters in a pretty positive light |
| [02:22:57] | sphery: | I hate baked beans... |
| [02:23:02] | sphery: | I'll just stay and work today. |
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| [02:23:14] | sphery: | Right, Hooters in a positive light. |
| [02:23:14] | iamlindoro: | suspect he could do it for free and it probably still paid off in Hooters business |
| [02:23:20] | sphery: | That particular manager guy, not so much |
| [02:23:28] | iamlindoro: | no, not that guy :) |
| [02:23:32] | dserban: | Hooters? Where? |
| [02:23:33] | iamlindoro: | though the guy should have gotten fired |
| [02:23:35] | sphery: | I think they had to pay him off to get permission to air it |
| [02:23:41] | sphery: | I agree--he should have been fired |
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| [02:23:52] | sphery: | they said he changed and apologized to his workers |
| [02:23:57] | iamlindoro: | suuuuure |
| [02:24:05] | dserban: | Oh Undercover boss. Good show, dragon's den == better. |
| [02:24:15] | sphery: | though how he can ever maintain a good working environment after that I'll never know |
| [02:24:25] | sphery: | I think he'll end up quitting |
| [02:24:42] | sphery: | after the money he got paid to let them air that part runs out |
| [02:25:25] | sphery: | heh, I said, "entry-level permissions"... /me does too much with computers |
| [02:25:32] | Beirdo: | mmmm, baked beans... the musical dish |
| [02:25:43] | iamlindoro: | chmod 000! |
| [02:25:48] | sphery: | maybe that's why he let the ones who finished go home... |
| [02:25:51] | iamlindoro: | entry level that! |
| [02:26:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:26:37] | Beirdo: | so now the person on the mailing list is asking when the fixes to nuvexport & perl bindings will be in 0.22-fixes |
| [02:26:49] | Beirdo: | ummm, I had no plans to backport this close to release |
| [02:27:02] | iamlindoro: | agree! |
| [02:27:07] | sphery: | wouldn't entry level be 111? I.e. allows entry into the directory--but without being able to read or write it |
| [02:27:23] | dserban: | I certainly don't want to beat a dead horse ... feel free to flog me instead, but is there a release imminent or is it still buggy? |
| [02:27:25] | ** dserban cowers ** | |
| [02:27:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: don't backport |
| [02:27:33] | sphery: | gotta give them a reason to upgrade :) |
| [02:27:41] | dserban: | I just haven't been 'round to know :P |
| [02:27:43] | iamlindoro: | even the release will be buggy |
| [02:27:43] | Beirdo: | as soon as we DO release, there will be massive changes to nuvexport anyways |
| [02:27:49] | iamlindoro: | this is why we have -fixes branches |
| [02:28:08] | sphery: | besides, at this point, I'm recommending trunk to a lot of people |
| [02:28:08] | iamlindoro: | and it's as imminent as it was a week or two ago-- a blocker, and no immediate plans to release on a fixed date |
| [02:28:27] | iamlindoro: | though for anyone not in the UK, the blocker is irrelevant |
| [02:28:34] | sphery: | as it's more stable than 0.22-fixes--and the only reason it's not 0.23 rc1 is because someone thinks LiveTV/MHEG is important |
| [02:28:40] | Beirdo: | ship it ;) |
| [02:28:42] | sphery: | (but not enough to actually fix it) |
| [02:29:07] | sphery: | "someone" being a lot of people |
| [02:29:08] | Beirdo: | well, either someone needs to fix it... or we should RC, no? |
| [02:29:14] | sphery: | agreed |
| [02:29:17] | sphery: | I can't fix it |
| [02:29:18] | iamlindoro: | agree |
| [02:29:32] | Beirdo: | I can't test it even if I could fix it |
| [02:29:32] | sphery: | I can't even spell MHEJ |
| [02:29:39] | sphery: | exactly |
| [02:30:23] | Beirdo: | so we are waiting on janne? |
| [02:30:30] | sphery: | sure, I could have someone in the UK get a clip, then have them make it available, then try to figure out what in the world MHEG is, then try to figure out how it's implemented, then try to figure out what's broken (as opposed to what I'm not doing right), then try to fix it, but... |
| [02:30:48] | Beirdo: | yeah, exactly |
| [02:31:19] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, yes... it is pretty definitely a ffmpeg sync issue with the TS demuxer |
| [02:31:25] | sphery: | I don't think anyone has stepped up to volunteer to fix it |
| [02:31:34] | iamlindoro: | he has mentioned that it is on his list |
| [02:31:38] | Beirdo: | someone clueful in europe who can test it should do it :) |
| [02:31:38] | sphery: | but, yeah, most are probably expecting him to because of the sync |
| [02:31:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:31:42] | iamlindoro: | just not sure when he has time to get to that list |
| [02:31:51] | sphery: | unfortuntaely, he's very busy with some other project(s) now |
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| [02:32:08] | sphery: | that looks almost like unfortuntaelon |
| [02:32:15] | iamlindoro: | in fairness, several of which ultimately benefit myth |
| [02:32:20] | Beirdo: | and putting in a comment "WTH is MHEG?" would be funny but... |
| [02:32:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:32:54] | dserban: | iamlindoro, what's the bug number (block)? |
| [02:32:56] | iamlindoro: | I wish I could travel back 10 million years ago when the Unfortunatalons roamed the earth |
| [02:33:02] | Beirdo: | #8143 |
| [02:33:10] | Beirdo: | just had it open |
| [02:33:38] | sphery: | I was /very/ happy when the "don't insert a disk when you don't want to start playing it" bug became a non-blocker earlier today |
| [02:34:37] | dserban: | hah, funny, and yeah wtf is MHEG? |
| [02:34:41] | ** dserban fires up wikipedia ** | |
| [02:34:47] | iamlindoro: | yeah, and was never a blocker to begin with |
| [02:34:47] | sphery: | it's interactive TV |
| [02:34:59] | Beirdo: | and why do we care? :) |
| [02:34:59] | wagnerrp: | thats almost like 'stop hitting yourself in the head if it hurts so much' |
| [02:35:01] | sphery: | so it's basically something that's only really useful in LiveTV |
| [02:35:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly |
| [02:35:21] | Beirdo: | why can't that be fixed in -fixes? |
| [02:35:30] | dserban: | wth? interactive tv with pvr? nope. next? :P |
| [02:35:37] | sphery: | Yeah, my recommendation is to cut an RC |
| [02:35:39] | Beirdo: | or am I just talking nonsense? :) |
| [02:35:48] | sphery: | then when MHEG is fixed, commit to trunk and -fixes |
| [02:35:49] | iamlindoro: | MHEG works in recorded programs |
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| [02:36:01] | iamlindoro: | so it being in a PVR isn't relevant |
| [02:36:02] | sphery: | but not that useful in recorded |
| [02:36:15] | sphery: | and, besides, users have to explicitly enable recording it |
| [02:36:17] | iamlindoro: | Suspect gbee would disagree |
| [02:36:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, let's interact with something I recorded a week ago |
| [02:36:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:36:27] | iamlindoro: | that said, I want to get an RC out too |
| [02:36:42] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [02:36:45] | dserban: | :o it does? |
| [02:36:55] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:36:55] | Beirdo: | that's all that's officially blocking now? |
| [02:37:00] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [02:37:05] | Beirdo: | not bad. |
| [02:37:12] | sphery: | Enable Interactive TV: If enabled, interactive TV applications (MHEG) will be activated. This is used for teletext and logos for radio and channels that are currently off-air. |
| [02:37:16] | sphery: | default false |
| [02:37:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:37:35] | iamlindoro: | that description is a bit misleading, as its scope is larger |
| [02:37:36] | Beirdo: | rip out the code. |
| [02:37:37] | Beirdo: | done |
| [02:37:43] | sphery: | Yeah, it does more |
| [02:37:47] | sphery: | but it's off by default |
| [02:38:30] | sphery: | So what happened with Ubuntu 10.04? |
| [02:38:35] | Beirdo: | ah well, I guess we are at the mercy of the Europeans |
| [02:38:37] | iamlindoro: | Suspect the effort involved in getting an RC out over these protestations is likely more than simply fixing it |
| [02:38:39] | sphery: | MythTV 0.22-fixes? |
| [02:38:42] | iamlindoro: | (or waiting for it to be fixed) |
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| [02:38:52] | iamlindoro: | 10.04 currently packages trunk |
| [02:38:55] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Dibblah | |
| [02:38:58] | iamlindoro: | (AIUI) |
| [02:39:28] | Beirdo: | and they call it 0.23 |
| [02:39:32] | sphery: | well, on the bright side, I think current trunk is more stable than the pre-0.22 in 9.10 |
| [02:39:41] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [02:39:50] | iamlindoro: | and does more fancy stuff to boot |
| [02:39:54] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:39:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:39:59] | Beirdo: | more buglets? |
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| [02:40:12] | sphery: | at least if someone installs 10.04 and doesn't enable the -fixes repo, they should have a usable system |
| [02:40:22] | iamlindoro: | This is MythTV, anything the user doesn't understand or is threatened by is a bug |
| [02:40:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:40:38] | sphery: | (versus the mostly unusable pre-0.22 in 9.10) |
| [02:40:41] | Beirdo: | it runs on linux... that must be a bug |
| [02:40:49] | wagnerrp: | storage groups frighten me |
| [02:40:50] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:40:52] | wagnerrp: | i want to use samba |
| [02:41:00] | wagnerrp: | make it so |
| [02:41:07] | sphery: | but no one is frightened by the database |
| [02:41:23] | sphery: | Hmmm... Database upgrade failed. Let me just start randomly changing the schema and the data to make it succeed. |
| [02:41:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theyll dive head first into that |
| [02:41:51] | sphery: | after all, I know SQL, so it's safe for me to change the database. |
| [02:42:40] | sphery: | oh, and did you know that mysqlcheck -r will fix corrupt data? |
| [02:43:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:43:14] | Beirdo: | especially with the --blackmagic flag |
| [02:43:37] | wagnerrp: | hey, i heard they will let me capture off the HDMI port on my cable box! |
| [02:44:40] | sphery: | wow, I never knew about that --blackmagic flag |
| [02:44:45] | sphery: | I'll have to use that |
| [02:45:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:45:26] | Beirdo: | it should just email your db to sphery for fixing |
| [02:45:33] | wagnerrp: | it comes out of nowhere, and it runs like the wind, and theres no sound, no sound at all |
| [02:45:44] | wagnerrp: | sadly, it will also turn your friend into a lizard |
| [02:45:55] | sphery: | heh, I've actually done that for several users since it's easier than the alternative |
| [02:46:00] | iamlindoro: | allyourdatabasearebelongtous.sphery.com |
| [02:59:54] | iamlindoro: | *cricket* |
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| [03:02:30] | sphery: | *bug-b-gone* |
| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | but now ill never know where to find cheap meds |
| [03:08:42] | sphery: | got some spam filtering going? |
| [03:09:13] | sphery: | ah, nvm.... just figured it out |
| [03:09:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, that wasnt you that deleted the comment? |
| [03:09:29] | sphery: | someone (iamlindoro?) is quick on the spam delete |
| [03:09:30] | wagnerrp: | i figured thats what the *bug-b-gone* was |
| [03:09:38] | sphery: | heh, no, that was for the cricket |
| [03:10:25] | iamlindoro: | yar, twas me |
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| [03:14:16] | Beirdo: | OK... Mariners ticket is now for sale |
| [03:15:01] | Beirdo: | xris: just put the Apr 17 ticket on sale :) |
| [03:15:55] | Beirdo: | here's hoping I'm THERE by then anyways :) |
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| [03:29:28] | bradjm: | quick question – is there a good link to find compat PCI hardware that does two channel Digital and works well with mythtv? |
| [03:29:49] | wagnerrp: | digital what? |
| [03:30:03] | sphery: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki perhaps? |
| [03:30:39] | wagnerrp: | ATSC? QAM? DVB-T? -C? -S? |
| [03:30:41] | sphery: | (but I'm sure with more details, wagnerrp can give you a good head start) |
| [03:31:32] | wagnerrp: | since youre in the US, thats going to be ATSC or QAM |
| [03:31:39] | wagnerrp: | youre not hoping to capture digital cable are you? |
| [03:32:02] | bradjm: | digital cable yes, pay per view – no |
| [03:32:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can only record unencrypted channels |
| [03:32:33] | bradjm: | local cable company is going all digital – so I am forced to replace my realtv dvr with something I make |
| [03:32:35] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre only guaranteed to get the local 'must carry' broadcast channels |
| [03:32:43] | bradjm: | no encrypted – clear quam at best |
| [03:32:58] | bradjm: | something a standard digital tv can use without a cable box |
| [03:32:58] | wagnerrp: | since comcast is dropping analog in favor of digital through DTAs |
| [03:33:08] | wagnerrp: | you can pick those channels up with a digital tuner |
| [03:33:18] | bradjm: | yep I have comcast – so that is why I am looking |
| [03:33:30] | wagnerrp: | right up until your local franchise gets its 'privacy mode' waiver |
| [03:33:43] | wagnerrp: | at which point your back to the local broadcast channels again |
| [03:33:50] | bradjm: | the replay tv has been very good, and I have rabbit ears for local channels |
| [03:34:39] | wagnerrp: | silicondust.com maintains a list of what channels you can get over clearqam |
| [03:34:49] | wagnerrp: | searchable by zip code |
| [03:35:14] | wagnerrp: | alternatively you can try firewire capture |
| [03:35:21] | bradjm: | still working thru the buzz word list looking at hardware – so any recommendatations? |
| [03:35:37] | wagnerrp: | but again, youre limited to what streams your cable provider has not enabled copy protection on |
| [03:35:47] | wagnerrp: | or you can do analog capture off your STB |
| [03:36:04] | wagnerrp: | either standard definition through an IVTV card (PVR-150/500/1600) |
| [03:36:11] | wagnerrp: | or high definition through a HDPVR |
| [03:36:55] | bradjm: | so I should be looking at ATSC devices? |
| [03:37:13] | wagnerrp: | for broadcast tv (with an antenna) |
| [03:38:29] | bradjm: | Ok – I get better HD on broadcast TV than thru cable – they don't compress the stuffing out of it Hauppauge line, would a 1800/2250 be worth while looking at?" |
| [03:42:32] | bradjm: | well once the local cable franchise gets it's privacy mode waiver or I am forced to give up my current dvr – or mythtv one – I will bail for dish and with the price savings ugg – rent a dvr. |
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| [03:50:27] | bradjm: | looks like the 1600 card is the only one in Hauppauge line that is still in production |
| [03:51:06] | bradjm: | thanks wagnerrp for the info – it has been useful |
| [03:54:33] | bradjm: | I had hoped to find a good pci/e card after my 150 burned up in my old mythtv box I am still scratchin my head for something better |
| [03:55:37] | wagnerrp: | you can generally find old 150s and 500s on ebay for a lot cheaper than a 1600 |
| [03:55:44] | wagnerrp: | but the 1600 gets you a digital tuner |
| [03:57:14] | k-man: | what happens if you try and use a 16:9 theme on a 4:3 screen? does it squash or crop or something else? |
| [03:57:23] | bradjm: | a good link to research is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_cap . . . apture_cards |
| [03:57:59] | wagnerrp: | a better link is the one sphery gave |
| [03:58:02] | sphery: | k-man: if you have it set to fullscren, it scales it without maintaining aspect ("squashes it") |
| [03:58:03] | bradjm: | on my tv running 16.9 on a 4:3 I get letter box – black strip above and below |
| [03:58:12] | wagnerrp: | nearly all of myth's tuner support comes from the linuxtv project |
| [03:58:44] | sphery: | k-man: though you can set size and offsets to make it letter box the 16:9 theme on your 4:3 screen |
| [03:58:58] | k-man: | sphery: ok thanks |
| [03:59:05] | sphery: | and with an appropriately-chosen X root window background color, you can make it look pretty nice |
| [03:59:15] | k-man: | just installed .22 on my new box last night, i think its using the default theme |
| [03:59:30] | k-man: | might try some of the other themes |
| [03:59:35] | sphery: | though, IMHO, Arclight (only available with current trunk--and soon 0.23) looks good squashed to 4:3 |
| [03:59:35] | bradjm: | the problem is research – I used mythtv before when the only info was from the daily e-mail traffic - |
| [04:00:19] | sphery: | k-man: yeah, for 4:3 0.22 only has MythCenter (but note that MythCenter-wide is 16:9) |
| [04:00:20] | bradjm: | and I was hoping I could say cut down the cross my fingers and hope side of the issue – not much to be found in the PCI/e connectors |
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| [04:00:57] | k-man: | sphery: actually, come to think of it, i don't think its using mythcenter – let me find some screenshots hang on |
| [04:02:17] | k-man: | sphery: oh, i think its using Terra |
| [04:02:41] | k-man: | and come to think of it, i noticed it was squashed – the clock/CD images were oval |
| [04:02:46] | sphery: | k-man: Terra is the default theme, but mythtv 0.22 also ships with MythCenter available as a choice |
| [04:02:52] | sphery: | it's the only 4:3 theme choice in 0.22 |
| [04:03:04] | k-man: | sphery: cool, ill check that out tonight |
| [04:03:56] | iamlindoro: | s/MythCenter/some MythCenter menus and default for everything real/ |
| [04:04:22] | k-man: | one day I'll get a 16:9 TV and I won't have to worry about it any more... one day |
| [04:07:17] | sphery: | k-man: I stand corrected... iamlindoro's description is /much/ better than mine. |
| [04:07:44] | sphery: | k-man: letterboxing is always an option... or, as I said, Arclight when 0.23 is released |
| [04:08:07] | sphery: | it looks pretty good in 4:3 |
| [04:09:00] | bradjm: | Thanks Sphery for the info – the webpage reference is good – but harder to figure out by brand (not chip set) what is good to look at. The one I referenced is useful by brand – but not much details - |
| [04:09:26] | bradjm: | thank heaven for google and IRC :) |
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| [04:09:36] | sphery: | yeah, lots to choose from |
| [04:10:10] | sphery: | and it's much easier to start with some initial info |
| [04:10:26] | bradjm: | Sphery – too bad they don't say – best supported PCI/PCIe card for digital is this one --- like to buy – but that would be too easy |
| [04:10:45] | bradjm: | and good for some users not others |
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| [04:11:08] | wagnerrp: | best is subjective, and everyone has a favority |
| [04:11:27] | sphery: | yeah, and those who buy based on that would want to blame the one who recommended :) |
| [04:12:23] | bradjm: | and the one I would like to try says – no luck – maybe sometime later ;) |
| [04:13:23] | wagnerrp: | which one is that? |
| [04:15:08] | bradjm: | the 2250 that is PCI/e format – what little I have found there are no cards with this bus conenction that will work |
| [04:15:51] | wagnerrp: | the 1250, 1850, 2250, and two of the divco cards work with PCIe just fine |
| [04:15:56] | bradjm: | just trying to find two digital recordings at the same time – I have a nice machine that has a lower end quad processor that should be able to work |
| [04:16:00] | wagnerrp: | however only the 1850 has analog support |
| [04:16:08] | wagnerrp: | and a bug prevents that from working with mythtv |
| [04:16:40] | wagnerrp: | a higher clocked dual is generally better than a lower clocked quad |
| [04:16:49] | bradjm: | # Video via PCI Express (PCIe): |
| [04:16:49] | bradjm: | * nGene devices (not supported) |
| [04:16:49] | bradjm: | * saa7162 devices (will be supported) |
| [04:16:49] | bradjm: | was the only two under PCIe |
| [04:17:04] | wagnerrp: | but any quad core processor should have plenty of power for any broadcast mpeg2 you capture |
| [04:17:21] | bradjm: | I took that as nothing out there |
| [04:17:39] | wagnerrp: | are you looking for V4L devices? |
| [04:17:47] | wagnerrp: | you dont want a V4L device |
| [04:17:57] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog, you want an IVTV device, or an HDPVR |
| [04:19:44] | bradjm: | hmm – the 2250 supports two analog / digital so it seems to be a good mixture of both worlds – I guess talking to me somewhat like a not very bight brick - |
| [04:19:57] | wagnerrp: | does not support analog under linux |
| [04:20:02] | wagnerrp: | the 1850 is the only one that does |
| [04:20:11] | wagnerrp: | and theres a bug preventing that analog support from working in mythtv |
| [04:20:15] | bradjm: | I understand that – and there might be a fix in the future for it |
| [04:20:42] | bradjm: | but it don't work now |
| [04:20:52] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, there just isnt the motivation for analog |
| [04:21:48] | bradjm: | I am not bad at C/C++ but been many years sense the last time I worked that close to the metal (chip level) for hardware devices. not worth the effort I guess |
| [04:21:54] | wagnerrp: | user want it, but the people who normally develop the drivers already have half a dozen other cards to fulfill the same purpose |
| [04:22:34] | wagnerrp: | if you are willing to work to develop the analog support, im sure the linuxtv guys would be glad to give you whatever guidance you need |
| [04:22:47] | bradjm: | well – I do have space in the computer and a quad 2.8 is not all that slow so I guess I could stuff more hardware in it and run off the motherboard's video to save room in the case |
| [04:23:11] | wagnerrp: | a quad 2.8 should be able to handle _any_ content you find |
| [04:23:50] | wagnerrp: | bluray playback generally works better with a quad, although a very high end dual could probably manage |
| [04:23:53] | bradjm: | but it' will not run Solaris – which is why I bought it – the OS does not like the nic and most of the video |
| [04:24:14] | wagnerrp: | but hdpvr playback is single threaded, and requires at least a 2.5GHz Core2, or something higher in AMD |
| [04:24:35] | bradjm: | so I have been running red hat / windows 7 on the machine trying to figure out it's next home |
| [04:24:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, solaris doesnt have much support for multimedia stuff |
| [04:24:47] | bradjm: | na – but it gets me $$$ for work |
| [04:24:53] | wagnerrp: | you could probably run a HDHR under solaris |
| [04:25:00] | wagnerrp: | but thats probably as far as tuner support goes |
| [04:25:12] | bradjm: | and it has a killer file system called ZFS that is useful to play with |
| [04:25:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive been using it for about a year and a half under freebsd |
| [04:25:33] | wagnerrp: | but its a bit more advanced under solaris |
| [04:25:35] | bradjm: | and one version of Linux can be run in a zone -- |
| [04:26:04] | bradjm: | but that's work – don't want to bug ya with that stuff :) |
| [04:26:34] | bradjm: | so for PCI the 1600 seems ok and digital only the 2250 might be worth a spin |
| [04:27:17] | bradjm: | did I get it right? |
| [04:27:38] | bradjm: | my milage will depend on lots of stuff – it may work – or not depending on "stuff" |
| [04:30:20] | bradjm: | I finished up a week long class on ZFS and zones – neat features – I can't wait until they show up in Linux |
| [04:30:39] | bradjm: | makes setting up mirrors a snap |
| [04:31:07] | bradjm: | good night and once again thanks |
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| [04:46:58] | DixitDominus: | hi |
| [04:47:06] | DixitDominus: | check this one out |
| [04:47:10] | DixitDominus: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815306020 |
| [04:47:19] | DixitDominus: | currectly I just got one |
| [04:47:27] | DixitDominus: | I want a multicard box |
| [04:47:43] | DixitDominus: | wait, one pci, not that one and it's single tuner |
| [04:49:21] | wagnerrp: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PC . . . _PCIe_Cards: |
| [04:50:03] | DixitDominus: | mm.. thanks for raining my parade |
| [04:50:06] | DixitDominus: | :( |
| [04:52:23] | ** DixitDominus considers buying it and wait for support ** | |
| [04:54:16] | DixitDominus: | what's the most extreme mythtv set up? |
| [04:54:28] | DixitDominus: | in terms of number of tuners? |
| [04:54:37] | wagnerrp: | probably all of them |
| [04:55:07] | wagnerrp: | (enough tuners to record every channel simultaneously) |
| [04:55:30] | wagnerrp: | ive heard rumored that there are some small businesses set up with that |
| [04:55:38] | DixitDominus: | oO |
| [04:55:42] | wagnerrp: | and occasionally someone from one of those places in here asking about just that |
| [04:55:46] | DixitDominus: | must be an IRQ killer |
| [04:55:56] | wagnerrp: | nah, you get multiple backends |
| [04:56:08] | wagnerrp: | along with a couple dozen TB of storage |
| [04:56:13] | wagnerrp: | and a couple months of rotating recordings |
| [04:56:20] | DixitDominus: | wow, so this makes mythtv sorta rock solid |
| [04:56:37] | wagnerrp: | with the proper hardware |
| [04:57:16] | DixitDominus: | I am planning to set up a box for a small residence in the community room |
| [04:57:25] | DixitDominus: | but got one only ATM |
| [04:57:33] | DixitDominus: | wanted to expand |
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| [05:07:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to be network transparent |
| [05:07:54] | wagnerrp: | so you could put one or more backends in the basement |
| [05:08:01] | wagnerrp: | a frontend in the shared room |
| [05:08:08] | wagnerrp: | and frontends in multiple other rooms |
| [05:08:33] | wagnerrp: | or you can let people run a frontend on their PC |
| [05:08:52] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is designed for linux, but there are OSX and Windows builds available |
| [05:09:29] | wagnerrp: | however understand that mythtv has very little security, and no concept of users |
| [05:09:44] | wagnerrp: | so people have to understand that if they delete something, theyre deleting it for everyone |
| [05:10:24] | DixitDominus: | well... let me first install mythtv |
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| [05:40:31] | DixitDominus: | I got an idea |
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| [05:44:23] | wagnerrp: | the suspense.... |
| [05:44:29] | oobe: | lol |
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| [05:50:14] | DixitDominus: | all amma do is to re-arrange the cards supported because currently is next to impossible in a sensible way to look for one |
| [05:50:26] | DixitDominus: | let's say in new egg for instance |
| [05:50:59] | wagnerrp: | on the linuxtv site? |
| [05:51:02] | wagnerrp: | seems reasonable to me |
| [05:51:43] | DixitDominus: | where do I start, with postgresql? |
| [05:51:53] | wagnerrp: | with the documentation |
| [05:52:03] | wagnerrp: | dont just try to 'wing it' |
| [05:52:16] | DixitDominus: | meaning? |
| [05:52:32] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [05:52:53] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [05:53:10] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index |
| [05:53:30] | DixitDominus: | no this will the hardware side |
| [05:53:40] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [05:53:45] | DixitDominus: | I ma kinda sick and tired about linux support |
| [05:53:55] | DixitDominus: | yes trust me |
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| [09:14:07] | toeb: | mysql.txt is no longer used. Right? |
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| [09:29:41] | justinh: | can still be AFAIK |
| [09:32:18] | justinh: | heheh well done Virgin Media. Rang them to downgrade my broadband to a slower speed, found out 10 megabit is the slowest they do (duh) but since I've been a great customer they're going to shave my bill down by £12 a month. Yay |
| [09:32:56] | toeb: | nice :-) |
| [09:32:58] | justinh: | been with them 9 years, always paid the bill on time etc.. they said why not |
| [09:33:45] | justinh: | apparently it's a permanent change too. not as if I can just jump ship & go running to BT anyway.. not with their £150 to connect a line |
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| [10:02:04] | justinh: | ugh. gwibber is all pythony |
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| [10:26:08] | toeb: | mh, may i assume that on a working frontend there is always a ~/.mythtv/config.xml ? |
| [10:26:44] | toeb: | or do i have to check for both? config.xml and mysql.txt? And if both are available which one is to use? |
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| [10:30:54] | justinh: | config.xml is preferred |
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| [10:36:39] | Splat1: | Random question, Virgin Media STB, trying to get myth to control it, got Lircd working and a working change_chan.sh. Having problems getting the channels list populated via xmltv and when I have a go at it manually it responds with the card is in use :/ (its not, its just for that STB) |
| [10:37:09] | Splat1: | Any one had a go at this ? or better yet, has a channels.conf ? |
| [10:38:28] | justinh: | huh? how would configuring the grabber respond with card in use? |
| [10:39:10] | justinh: | anyway a channels.conf would do you no good unless they had the same package as you |
| [10:39:34] | justinh: | actually, a channels.conf would be FA use to you at all |
| [10:39:49] | justinh: | maybe what you mean is a $videosourcename.xmltv |
| [10:41:29] | justinh: | and if mythtv-setup is reporting that the card is in use you've likely still got mythbackend running, which it very well warns you about when you start mythtv-setup |
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| [10:44:29] | justinh: | fine. sort it out yourself then |
| [10:44:43] | Splat1: | o.0 |
| [10:44:54] | ** Splat1 was chatting in #mythtv ** | |
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| [10:45:11] | Splat1: | the FE reports card in use when testing my manually added channel |
| [10:45:47] | Splat1: | the STB will just display a channel not in package message when you change to that channel anyway |
| [10:46:38] | ** Splat1 takes a look at the contence of the .xmltv ** | |
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| [10:48:27] | Splat1: | wb |
| [10:48:34] | Splat1: | the FE reports card in use when testing my manually added channel |
| [10:48:36] | Splat1: | the STB will just display a channel not in package message when you change to that channel anyway |
| [10:50:09] | justinh: | if it's a new card with a new channel lineup – e.g. if you already have dvb-t for freeview or whatever.. you need a new 'video source' |
| [10:50:43] | Splat1: | aye, got that far, uk_rt in use, set to grab the virgin channel line up |
| [10:51:11] | justinh: | I don't get all the source switching BS in mythfrontend |
| [10:51:25] | justinh: | another reason I don't use livetv |
| [10:52:21] | justinh: | if the channels are set up properly I don't think mythfrontend should be complaining |
| [10:52:23] | Splat1: | hehe, I got a dule tuner freeview card in fine, a dule tuner dvb-s card and switch in fine, but can I get this working :/ |
| [10:52:33] | justinh: | unless it really already *is* using the card |
| [10:52:53] | Splat1: | thats the point i think Im stuck on, I dont seem to be fetching a channels list from uk_rt |
| [10:52:54] | justinh: | they speak English in what? |
| [10:53:29] | justinh: | big thing – uk_rt won't get you channel numbers |
| [10:53:37] | justinh: | no way, no how |
| [10:54:03] | justinh: | so mythtv-setup won't get channel numbers from merely configuring the grabber |
| [10:54:35] | justinh: | you'll no doubt have a whole lineup with names, guide data & all.. but no channel numbers |
| [10:54:55] | Splat1: | ok, how do I manually go about adding them in, usually I do a scan and grab them that way. |
| [10:56:04] | justinh: | you manually add them all in :-) |
| [10:56:16] | justinh: | using the channel editor, mythweb or some script or other |
| [10:56:29] | justinh: | it's fun on a stick! |
| [10:56:36] | Splat1: | hehe |
| [10:57:03] | justinh: | oh wait did I say fun? I meant HELL |
| [10:57:16] | Splat1: | had a go adding bbc 1 & 2 , when trying to select the channel I get card in use on the FE :/ |
| [10:57:21] | justinh: | but hey at least you only need do it once if you do it properly |
| [10:57:44] | justinh: | make sure no tuners are actually being used then |
| [10:57:44] | ** Splat1 removes the whole chain and starts a fresh ** | |
| [10:58:05] | Splat1: | its a new tuner in a slave backend, never been used before |
| [10:58:31] | justinh: | if your $videosourcename.xmltv has a load of channels defined in it, every mythfilldatabase run will just reinsert the useless channels |
| [10:58:46] | justinh: | muh, slave backend or not, all tuners are just tuners |
| [11:00:05] | justinh: | step 1. add new tuner card to mythtv-setup. step 2. create new 'video source' for said tuner & its channel lineup |
| [11:00:21] | justinh: | step 3. configure xmltv for said 'video source' |
| [11:00:37] | justinh: | step 4. associate the new video source with the new tuner card in 'input connections' |
| [11:01:29] | justinh: | and all this assumes that this is actually a completely separate card, not just the video input on your freeview tuner card |
| [11:01:56] | Splat1: | new v4l card, mpeg type, default input s-video, aye its a card all to itself |
| [11:02:35] | justinh: | I hate the whole xmltv config process |
| [11:02:58] | justinh: | taking the user through a big long list & asking (y/n/all) is a fricking pain in the nuts |
| [11:03:12] | bjd: | lol |
| [11:03:13] | Splat1: | xmltv uk_rt , setup for virgin |
| [11:03:14] | justinh: | much preferred how it used to do it |
| [11:03:15] | bjd: | i feel your pain |
| [11:03:31] | justinh: | bjd: now I DIY my own config files. much easier |
| [11:04:11] | ** Splat1 waits for xmltv to do its thing ** | |
| [11:04:11] | justinh: | Splat1: yeah which when you run mythfilldatabase will insert a bunch of new channels for that video source which you can't use cos they'll have no number. see mythweb or the channel editor in mythtv-setup |
| [11:05:20] | justinh: | I need to hack on the programme finder & stuff to remove 'hidden' channels from search results, should save me having to go to daft lengths to filter out stupid channels |
| [11:06:01] | justinh: | if hidden really meant hidden there'd be no need to go with anything but the defaults for xmltv setups :) |
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| [11:06:46] | Saviq: | hi all, did anyone have success in using the SkyStar S2 card? (Not HD, unfortunately)? |
| [11:06:46] | ** bjd cringes at the thought of spending 100 quid on a dvb-s2 card ** | |
| [11:07:01] | justinh: | but as it is, I scan, it finds all the shopping channels & oaf stuff, which i then have to DELETE .. bah |
| [11:07:16] | justinh: | Saviq: ruh? the card is not HD. It just pulls data from the air |
| [11:07:49] | justinh: | they'd only be worthy of an 'HD' label if they did any decoding of the streams into video. Which they DO NOT |
| [11:08:03] | Saviq: | justinh: well, I only mean the model name |
| [11:08:06] | ** Splat1 joins justinh in this ** | |
| [11:08:15] | Splat1: | thats a pet hate of mine as well |
| [11:08:35] | justinh: | Saviq: a DVB-S2 tuner is a DVB-S2 tuner |
| [11:09:12] | Splat1: | I have an old nova-s doing fresat hd nice and dandy :) |
| [11:09:14] | justinh: | no matter if it has 'HD' in its name or not.. other than the fact it may use a different chipset.. and then it has nothing to do with 'HD' |
| [11:09:34] | Saviq: | yeah except the S2 isn't supported by stock kernel nor through the liplianin drivers, it has some binary blob for the demuxer |
| [11:09:53] | justinh: | so don't buy it then |
| [11:09:58] | Saviq: | too late ;) |
| [11:10:05] | justinh: | so put it on ebay then |
| [11:10:17] | justinh: | take the hit & be more careful in future |
| [11:10:19] | Saviq: | will probably do |
| [11:11:03] | Splat1: | justinh, Do you think I need to bother with the channel callsign ? |
| [11:11:37] | justinh: | I don't believe in callsigns |
| [11:11:48] | justinh: | I deem them an americanization (sic) too far |
| [11:11:59] | Saviq: | so, any -S2 card I can safely bet on? |
| [11:12:00] | justinh: | but just make them the same as the channel name |
| [11:12:17] | Saviq: | no decoding needed – just 'pulling data off the air' as justinh pointed out |
| [11:12:20] | grumpydevil: | many S2 cards that behave well |
| [11:12:33] | grumpydevil: | and they are available for about Euro 50 at the moment |
| [11:13:04] | Saviq: | I was thinking the SkyStar HD/HD2 (sorry, that's just the model name ;)) or the WinTV Nova HD |
| [11:13:12] | justinh: | I wish they |
| [11:13:17] | ** Splat1 looks on confused ** | |
| [11:13:19] | justinh: | they'd stop calling stuff 'WinTV' |
| [11:13:33] | Splat1: | my years old nova-s pick up s2 fine :/ |
| [11:13:38] | Splat1: | picks up^ |
| [11:13:47] | justinh: | Splat1: no it doesn't! |
| [11:13:53] | justinh: | Splat1: freesat is DVB-S only |
| [11:14:01] | Splat1: | ah |
| [11:14:06] | ** Splat1 feels like a muppet ** | |
| [11:14:25] | Saviq: | what about multirec? no problems there? |
| [11:14:43] | Splat1: | anything worthwhile on astra's 28's S2 ? |
| [11:14:44] | justinh: | other than multirec on satellite generally being pointless in some cases... |
| [11:15:18] | justinh: | on freesat stuff, they do idiotic things like put one channel on a transponder, and lump all its regional variations on the same transponder |
| [11:15:26] | justinh: | thereby negative the advantage of multirec :D |
| [11:15:28] | grumpydevil: | TT S2–1600 has support in default kernel for S2, works well and costs less then Euro 50 at the moment |
| [11:15:36] | justinh: | s/negative/negating |
| [11:15:50] | justinh: | aye technotrend know what they're doing I hear |
| [11:17:13] | Saviq: | yeah I have an old FF card lying around somewhere, good HW |
| [11:17:33] | Saviq: | SkyStars' bitten me one time too many |
| [11:17:48] | justinh: | FF cards are funny |
| [11:18:43] | Saviq: | I saw some mods for FF cards to allow multirec, that was awesome :) |
| [11:19:06] | justinh: | meh |
| [11:20:24] | Saviq: | grumpydevil: any idea what's different between TT S2–3200 and S2–1600? CI support? |
| [11:22:00] | grumpydevil: | do not remember whether the 1600 has CI support... |
| [11:23:29] | grumpydevil: | ok, the 1600 does NOT support CI |
| [11:23:38] | grumpydevil: | which is not important to me |
| [11:26:04] | Splat1: | foo tuner in use error again |
| [11:33:33] | grumpydevil: | does anyone know whether the support for networks that use NIT-Other is in? |
| [11:34:01] | ** Splat1 scratches head ** | |
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| [11:57:26] | justinh: | grumpydevil: think so |
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| [11:58:46] | justinh: | it always depends on the extent of the non-specced-ness though |
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| [12:00:13] | k-man: | i went to the screen setup wizard and adjusted the corners a little bit, but now the mythtv window no longer fills the whole desktop |
| [12:01:31] | justinh: | really?!" OMG |
| [12:01:52] | justinh: | you mean it did what it's meant to do?! |
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| [12:02:57] | k-man: | justinh: thanks for the sarcasm – the problem is its not correct any more, the mythtv window is only filling about 3/4 of the screen – how can i reset it? |
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| [12:03:58] | justinh: | I bloody KNEW somebody one day would wonder that |
| [12:04:17] | justinh: | press MENU & you should see an option to reset it! |
| [12:05:08] | k-man: | no option to reset in the menu – only save, quit without save, coarse/fine and close |
| [12:05:08] | justinh: | infact to have even succeeded in buggering up said settings you have to engage the menu.. so you must've seen it before |
| [12:05:27] | justinh: | huh? I wrote it with a 'reset' option |
| [12:05:34] | justinh: | don't tell me it's no longer there |
| [12:05:50] | k-man: | justinh: well... its not on my version.... |
| [12:06:03] | justinh: | you've got to be kidding me. FFS |
| [12:06:33] | Splat1: | justinh, its not on mine ether, I had to muck about in .mythtv |
| [12:06:48] | k-man: | im running the .debs from debian-multimedia, 0.22+fixes20100218–0.1 |
| [12:06:52] | justinh: | you can reset it by running mythfrontend with --reset which should do it, but it'll reset everything to do with the GUI |
| [12:06:57] | justinh: | that sucks |
| [12:07:07] | Splat1: | < on mythbuntu |
| [12:07:14] | justinh: | it was specifically put in there to be able to reset those settings |
| [12:07:31] | justinh: | to remove that defeats virtually the whole point of the feature |
| [12:07:57] | k-man: | who removed it? |
| [12:07:58] | justinh: | since there's no other way to make the area larger once it's been resized down |
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| [12:08:10] | justinh: | because mythtv can't draw outside its own window, duh! |
| [12:09:18] | k-man: | hmm... i ran mythfrontend --reset but that did not solve the problem |
| [12:09:45] | justinh: | m_menuPopup->AddButton(tr("Reset Changes and Quit")); |
| [12:09:53] | justinh: | IS STILL THERE |
| [12:09:59] | Jay2k1: | justinh: what does that reset button do that you wrote? changing some db values? |
| [12:10:09] | Jay2k1: | i mean, is there a way to do that manually |
| [12:10:25] | justinh: | it sets the gui size & offset values to all zeros forcing mythfrontend fullscreen |
| [12:10:40] | justinh: | so it hasn't been removed |
| [12:10:42] | k-man: | justinh: where are those values stored? in the db? |
| [12:11:01] | Jay2k1: | i mean, these values have to be stored somewhere, one should be able to edit them manually |
| [12:11:08] | justinh: | NO NO NON ONO |
| [12:11:17] | justinh: | you don't go into the database & mess with settings |
| [12:11:25] | justinh: | people developed a GUI for this stuff |
| [12:11:31] | Jay2k1: | heh |
| [12:11:50] | justinh: | if you want to do everything on the mysql commandline fine. just give me the GUI |
| [12:12:01] | ** grumpydevil is every night running a script that sets some values in the database to local default settings ... :) ** | |
| [12:12:01] | justinh: | and you'll be stuck with mysql commandlines :) |
| [12:12:29] | justinh: | but as with ALL mythfrontend settings, the settings are stored in the database. |
| [12:12:37] | justinh: | like where else would they be held? |
| [12:12:39] | k-man: | ok |
| [12:12:44] | Saviq: | you're saying that like there's something wrong with mysql commandlines ;) |
| [12:12:45] | justinh: | In magical fricking fairy land? |
| [12:13:19] | justinh: | I need more coffee |
| [12:13:36] | k-man: | so... in the mean time, how do i fix it? |
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| [12:14:55] | Splat1: | I have deleted .mythtv in the past to cause it to reset but I dont advise it |
| [12:15:29] | k-man: | well, i only just installed |
| [12:16:03] | Jay2k1: | i'm pretty sure someone knows the appropriate fields and settings in the db |
| [12:17:25] | ** Splat1 kicks mythtv ** | |
| [12:21:33] | k-man: | ok, so which table would those settings be in? |
| [12:22:02] | grumpydevil: | check in settings :) |
| [12:22:54] | k-man: | ah yeah, looking there now thanks |
| [12:27:30] | k-man: | ah, well the plot thickens... |
| [12:27:49] | k-man: | i reset it to 0, adjusted the screen size using the corner things again, and this time it made the window too small again |
| [12:28:07] | justinh: | FWIW if you run the wizard without making any changes you should see the reset option in the menu |
| [12:29:01] | k-man: | justinh: i don't see it, but i made changes and saved them already |
| [12:29:13] | k-man: | if i go back in, make not changes, i still don't see reset |
| [12:29:19] | justinh: | you should see it |
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| [12:29:31] | k-man: | oh, but quit without saving reset it |
| [12:29:37] | k-man: | no, no reset option for me |
| [12:29:39] | k-man: | let me try again |
| [12:29:51] | justinh: | m_menuPopup->AddButton(tr("Reset Changes and Quit")); is definitely in the code |
| [12:30:12] | k-man: | i only get quit, coarse fine and close menu |
| [12:32:12] | k-man: | and then i adjusted it again and it worked |
| [12:32:22] | grumpydevil: | in 0.22 on that screen wizard i get the following menu options: "Quit without saving", "coarse/fine adjustment" and "close menu" |
| [12:32:25] | k-man: | mythtv now fits correctly on my TV |
| [12:32:48] | k-man: | is it possible that vnc was interfering with it? |
| [12:33:10] | k-man: | i suspected it was so i killed vnc and tried again and as i said, it worked |
| [12:33:15] | justinh: | if you don't move either of the arrows you should see the option to reset |
| [12:33:51] | justinh: | screw that – you should always see the option |
| [12:34:11] | k-man: | justinh: don't move the arrows ever or don't move them in that session in the appearance wizard? |
| [12:34:21] | justinh: | unless a translator screwed it up |
| [12:34:31] | k-man: | using us english |
| [12:34:43] | justinh: | it should be the very first menu option when you bring the menu up |
| [12:34:59] | k-man: | anyway, i go into the setup wizard, press m for menu and there is reset option |
| [12:35:11] | k-man: | no moving arrows between entering the wizard and pressing m |
| [12:35:34] | justinh: | I've got the code in front of me. It *should* give you the reset option |
| [12:35:57] | justinh: | the code is so simple it could hardly even be a bug |
| [12:38:07] | justinh: | it's possible that the popup in the theme you use isn't showing you the option of course |
| [12:38:18] | k-man: | how can i get info about the current program on screen and keep it there? |
| [12:38:27] | justinh: | you can't keep it there |
| [12:38:33] | justinh: | it'll always timeout AFAIK |
| [12:38:34] | k-man: | justinh: ah, ill try a different theme maybe |
| [12:39:11] | justinh: | but when playing a show, the button to press to get INFO about the programme is... (wait for it).... INFO ! |
| [12:39:15] | k-man: | which theme should i try? currently using mythcenter |
| [12:40:36] | k-man: | nope, don't see the reset option in Terra either |
| [12:40:46] | justinh: | then something is very very screwed up |
| [12:40:56] | justinh: | it's there in mythappearance.cpp |
| [12:41:18] | justinh: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . pearance.cpp |
| [12:41:59] | k-man: | also, when i set the size, it sets it incorrectly |
| [12:42:07] | k-man: | and the mythtv window ends up too small |
| [12:42:23] | justinh: | yeah well, the way it's designed you have to get it right first time |
| [12:42:40] | justinh: | this is because of the limitation I mentioned earlier |
| [12:42:49] | k-man: | right |
| [12:43:33] | justinh: | if the actual saving of settings is resulting in a size which is too small, you've got a problem somewhere else |
| [12:44:24] | k-man: | justinh: well... it could be that i went in twice to do it |
| [12:44:29] | k-man: | i thought i could adjust it |
| [12:44:38] | k-man: | and as i cant reset it could compound |
| [12:44:46] | justinh: | jees |
| [12:45:03] | justinh: | I've no idea why the reset option isn't there but as I've repeatedly said it SHOULD be there |
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| [12:45:58] | justinh: | that isn't even themable |
| [12:46:14] | justinh: | so it should appear in the popup menu even if you have to scroll to see it |
| [12:48:01] | k-man: | justinh: you can say it should be there all you like – but my mythtv install seems not to be listening ;) |
| [12:48:05] | justinh: | the only variable menu option there – i.e. the only one which is dependant on things you do in the wizard is the Save & quit option |
| [12:48:21] | justinh: | if you make no changes you won't see the save & quit option |
| [12:49:02] | justinh: | unless your distro are patching it.. but I can't think why they'd even do that |
| [12:49:47] | k-man: | yeah, i doubt it but who knows... its the marillat debian multi media package |
| [12:50:47] | justinh: | it was never a perfect feature, for a few reasons bound in limitations of the UI code – but what you're saying makes it totally impotent |
| [12:50:48] | k-man: | justinh: so i reset the gui values to 0 in the db, restarted mythtv, adjusted the size accordingly, saved the settings and again, the window ended up too small |
| [12:51:11] | justinh: | something's very wrong with the DE then |
| [12:51:15] | justinh: | somehow |
| [12:51:19] | justinh: | somewhere |
| [12:51:35] | justinh: | running any stupid 3D compositor junk? |
| [12:51:36] | k-man: | thankfully, i have found if i go in then quit without saving it seems to reset it |
| [12:52:07] | k-man: | justinh: not afaik. its a new debian testing install with an ati radeon card |
| [12:52:21] | k-man: | i know, radeon is shite, but thats all i have |
| [12:52:38] | justinh: | maybe it's not liking the offsets |
| [12:53:50] | justinh: | the code hasn't been changed since 0.21, and it's been fine on everything I've run it with |
| [12:54:02] | justinh: | well not changed much in this regard |
| [12:54:17] | justinh: | the reset menu item isn't optional or dependant on anything |
| [12:54:28] | justinh: | so you should be seeing it no matter what |
| [12:54:32] | k-man: | if you go to setup/appearance/next next, you get a different ui for adjusting the window size |
| [12:54:40] | justinh: | wha? |
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| [12:54:56] | k-man: | "screen settings" |
| [12:54:58] | justinh: | oh yeah that |
| [12:55:08] | justinh: | that's going bye byes, FYI |
| [12:55:20] | k-man: | you can set the gui width, height, x,y offset |
| [12:55:22] | k-man: | oh, ok |
| [12:55:23] | justinh: | gonna be the wizard or bust in future apparently |
| [12:55:57] | justinh: | look at the MythAppearance::doMenu in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . pearance.cpp |
| [12:56:09] | justinh: | line 284 |
| [12:56:10] | k-man: | i suspect my xorg is running in 1024x768, but my tv is not capable of such a high res |
| [12:56:28] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:56:30] | justinh: | high |
| [12:56:49] | k-man: | yeah |
| [12:56:50] | justinh: | I'm stuck with 4:3 resolutions thanks to the intel driver :-\ |
| [12:56:58] | k-man: | bummer |
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| [12:57:01] | justinh: | if you use TVout it's hard-coded |
| [12:57:11] | k-man: | im stuck with 4:3 because of my stupid TV ;) |
| [12:57:27] | k-man: | yeah, i use the s-video out of the card |
| [12:57:49] | justinh: | fwiw 1024x768 won't look any better than 800x600 |
| [12:58:35] | k-man: | justinh: yeah, i have to work out how to set x to 800x600 |
| [12:58:35] | justinh: | can you take a screenshot of the menu popup? |
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| [12:59:36] | k-man: | i'm not used to this new xorg config thing yet – back in my day you had to hand craft a x11r6.conf file |
| [12:59:42] | k-man: | sure |
| [13:00:11] | [Peter]: | k-man: ITYM XF86Config :) |
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| [13:00:33] | k-man: | [Peter]: yeah, thats it – its been so long i even forgot the name of the file |
| [13:00:40] | [Peter]: | yeah, it's been a while |
| [13:00:44] | k-man: | [Peter]: those were the days eh! |
| [13:01:15] | k-man: | how do take a screenshot in myth/x? |
| [13:01:25] | [Peter]: | k-man: I remember it took quite some time getting it to work, sometime back in the early 90s |
| [13:01:27] | justinh: | oh ffs |
| [13:01:33] | k-man: | of the menu that justinh wants to see? |
| [13:01:38] | justinh: | how do you take a screenshot in linux? |
| [13:01:42] | k-man: | [Peter]: yeah |
| [13:01:52] | k-man: | justinh: dunno, never needed to before |
| [13:02:42] | [Peter]: | import -window root monkey.png |
| [13:02:52] | [Peter]: | if you have ImageMagick installed |
| [13:03:19] | k-man: | thanks [Peter] |
| [13:03:21] | [Peter]: | the print screen button probably works in most modern DEs though |
| [13:03:44] | k-man: | whats a DE? |
| [13:03:50] | [Peter]: | desktop enviroment |
| [13:03:55] | [Peter]: | like GNOME or KDE |
| [13:03:55] | k-man: | [Peter]: did you ever install linux from floppies? |
| [13:04:17] | [Peter]: | yeah, my first install, slackware. took forever and then some |
| [13:04:38] | k-man: | [Peter]: yeah, me too – i did slackware too iirc |
| [13:05:11] | [Peter]: | then I got RedHat 3.0.3 on CDs, that was sooo much better |
| [13:05:26] | k-man: | [Peter]: i was at uni, and you'd get to disk 17 or something, and it would get an error reading it – so you'd have to go back to uni and get that disk again and write to a new floppy |
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| [13:06:39] | [Peter]: | yeah, floppies where not very reliable things.. almost like todays harddrives :) |
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| [13:07:09] | Whyvas: | Anyone know how to stop mplayer from zooming in videos? I had the default command line and it zooms in and looks all pixelated and horrible... |
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| [13:07:39] | Whyvas: | I tried removing the -zoom parameter with no change, I also tried to use VLC instead, same results. When I play videos in VLC manually they look great |
| [13:09:49] | justinh: | erm... #mplayer perhaps? |
| [13:10:05] | Whyvas: | videos play great in mplayer though |
| [13:10:12] | Whyvas: | seems like some sort of mythtv setting |
| [13:10:22] | justinh: | it has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [13:10:55] | Whyvas: | ok |
| [13:11:04] | Whyvas: | why does vlc produce the same results? |
| [13:12:36] | Beirdo: | ummm, VLC != mythtv, mplayer != mythtv |
| [13:12:50] | Beirdo: | why are you asking us to troubleshoot other software? |
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| [13:13:04] | k-man: | justinh: http://imagebin.ca/view/RMGf8RXs.html |
| [13:13:47] | justinh: | WTFH?! |
| [13:14:04] | k-man: | what? |
| [13:14:19] | justinh: | just seeing for myself how the option isn't there |
| [13:14:45] | justinh: | and the arrows to indicate more menu options aren't highlighted so it's not a theme issue either |
| [13:14:53] | justinh: | *weird* |
| [13:15:10] | justinh: | this code ain't rocket science or even remotely complex |
| [13:15:54] | justinh: | whoah my intel tvout could do RGB if only it was wired up for it |
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| [13:24:13] | k-man: | ok, thats it, bed time for me |
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| [13:24:21] | k-man: | justinh: do i need to make a ticket for this bug? |
| [13:24:51] | justinh: | I dunno |
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| [13:25:10] | justinh: | there's no conceivable reason you don't have the menu item other than the code being changed |
| [13:25:24] | k-man: | i suppose i can download the code and compare |
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| [13:27:05] | justinh: | if anybody is patching that option out, they should be drawn & quartered |
| [13:28:21] | justinh: | whoah hang on a bloody minute |
| [13:28:35] | justinh: | nah nevermind |
| [13:30:30] | k-man: | ill have to look another time |
| [13:30:33] | k-man: | must sleep |
| [13:30:36] | k-man: | night all |
| [13:31:08] | justinh: | rah I need to upgrade xmltv too |
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| [13:39:55] | bep_: | hello |
| [13:40:06] | bep_: | is it possible to upscale sd tv signals with mythtv? |
| [13:41:13] | justinh: | not in any sense where a 'quality nut' would be satisfied with them |
| [13:42:27] | justinh: | SDTV can never be anything but standard def no matter what resolution it's shown at |
| [13:42:36] | bep_: | sure, it's not like real hd, but a collegue has got a hardware receiver and there's much difference with or without upscaling when watching sd content |
| [13:42:36] | clever: | my 480i recordings get upscaled to 1024x768p, then the video card downscales it to about 480i |
| [13:42:47] | clever: | then the hdtv upscales it again to full screen |
| [13:43:09] | justinh: | bep_: point being, the scaling built into many teevees is junk |
| [13:43:14] | clever: | until i switch to vga/dvi, my quality will always suck |
| [13:43:48] | bep_: | sure, the scaling into his tv is junk, but he has a seperate hd receiver and this upsclaing looks "fine" |
| [13:44:07] | justinh: | software scaling is nothing special but might be better than your TV |
| [13:44:10] | justinh: | or maybe not |
| [13:44:10] | bep_: | and I'm asking not for recordings but for live watching |
| [13:44:22] | justinh: | buy a scaler, then |
| [13:44:47] | bep_: | haven't seen something like this |
| [13:45:34] | justinh: | if you have a HDTV, why not just watch HD all the time? |
| [13:46:01] | bep_: | because not all channels are broadcasted in hd |
| [13:46:02] | Splat1: | justinh, that reset option is missing from my installs as well it would seem |
| [13:46:47] | bep_: | so mythtv has a built in software scaler or do I need to modify it |
| [13:47:11] | clever: | mine just uses XV to scale in the vid card |
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| [13:47:27] | bep_: | XV? |
| [13:47:40] | clever: | xvideo |
| [13:47:56] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension |
| [13:48:16] | bep_: | ok, tx |
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| [13:54:17] | Splat1: | bah still not having any luck with this tuner |
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| [14:31:47] | Dibblah: | Yay! Virgin are going Nagra3 :) :) |
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| [14:32:39] | Dibblah: | All of those "I get free TV. Don't you?" bottom dwelling scum suckers can go and eat that :) |
| [14:33:08] | Dibblah: | Down side – No N3 CAMs. |
| [14:33:08] | iamlindo`: | Heh, presumably the thievey thieves haven't broken that yet? |
| [14:33:16] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [14:33:20] | iamlindo`: | nice |
| [14:33:46] | Dibblah: | (And by CAM, I mean physical CAM, of course) |
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| [14:35:31] | justinh: | how are they going nagra3 without updating hardware? |
| [14:36:12] | justinh: | ah. they're not |
| [14:37:16] | ** Beirdo says... nagra THIS ** | |
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| [14:38:09] | justinh: | nah vanquishing the pirates is excellent news |
| [14:38:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:38:45] | Beirdo: | you British and hanging pirates :) |
| [14:39:06] | Beirdo: | give em letters of marque and make em privateers :) |
| [14:39:28] | Beirdo: | anyways.. |
| [14:40:11] | justinh: | who said anything about hanging? :-O |
| [14:40:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:40:29] | justinh: | be fun enough watching them cry :-) |
| [14:40:33] | Dibblah: | I hate that assumption that N3 requires hardware. It doesn't. |
| [14:40:34] | Beirdo: | sorry, was watching some Pirates of the Caribbean yesterday |
| [14:40:43] | Beirdo: | arrrr |
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| [14:40:57] | Dibblah: | All that changes is the embedded camcrypt + the card. |
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| [14:41:08] | justinh: | Dibblah: ooo |
| [14:41:09] | Dibblah: | The "hard" stuff is still done by the CSA engine. |
| [14:41:20] | Beirdo: | umm, the card" is hardware :) |
| [14:41:34] | Dibblah: | The card is nothing in terms of processing power. |
| [14:41:45] | Dibblah: | And the card swap is underway. |
| [14:41:45] | Beirdo: | true enough |
| [14:41:59] | Beirdo: | kinda like DirecTV back in the day |
| [14:42:12] | justinh: | Dibblah: got VM to knock money off my bill the other day. permanently, they reckoned |
| [14:42:31] | Dibblah: | Sure. It's nowhere near where it should be, though :( |
| [14:42:39] | justinh: | only had to ask :) |
| [14:42:40] | Beirdo: | you explained how they technically weren't virgins anymore? |
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| [14:43:05] | justinh: | well, when you've been with somebody 9 years & they've been ****ing you all that time.. lol |
| [14:43:20] | Beirdo: | hehe, it shoulda been obvious |
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| [14:43:40] | Beirdo: | Ahoy, GreyFoxx. |
| [14:43:48] | Beirdo: | welcome to 1h east of me :) |
| [14:43:50] | justinh: | bout time loyal customers got rewards around here |
| [14:43:58] | Beirdo: | silly DST :) |
| [14:44:03] | justinh: | rather than stupid new customer discounts. grr |
| [14:44:14] | justinh: | they'd have less churn that way |
| [14:44:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, most cable companies do that too |
| [14:44:22] | Splat1: | hmm.. wonder when Ill get my new cards |
| [14:44:44] | justinh: | ugh. I have to go to sheffield tomorrow |
| [14:45:15] | Beirdo: | I take it Sheffield is a hole? |
| [14:45:45] | justinh: | yeah and the roads to get there from manchester are atrocious |
| [14:46:11] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [14:46:20] | Beirdo: | betcha they are better than the roads here in PR :) |
| [14:46:36] | Beirdo: | lose an axle if you aren't careful on some of these roads |
| [14:46:39] | justinh: | there's a choice between a winding road over the pennines which gets backed up, or the longer, motorway route which also gets backed up |
| [14:46:42] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:47:07] | justinh: | still, boss says if I don't finish by 12pm might aswell just go straight home afterwards |
| [14:47:24] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [14:47:28] | Beirdo: | aka, head to the pub |
| [14:48:15] | stuartm is now known as gbee | |
| [14:49:06] | justinh: | there's a rub in this deal |
| [14:49:19] | justinh: | I have to rework 0402 size devices on 25 boards |
| [14:49:28] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [14:49:43] | keith4: | think the nvidia 9400M can push 1080p with VDPAU? |
| [14:49:44] | Beirdo: | much smaller than 0603, I start getting cross-eyed :) |
| [14:50:09] | justinh: | Beirdo: I always use a microscope when I can |
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| [14:50:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, no kidding |
| [14:50:20] | justinh: | keith4: define '1080P' :-\ |
| [14:50:32] | Beirdo: | or at least one of the big magnifying things |
| [14:50:43] | justinh: | I've got a paid of 'Joe 90s' |
| [14:50:52] | justinh: | s/paid/pair |
| [14:50:53] | keith4: | justinh: the content being standard US cablebox HD, nothing fancy |
| [14:51:21] | justinh: | you don't get 1080P on cable I don't think |
| [14:51:36] | keith4: | right. 1080i |
| [14:51:45] | keith4: | and the possibility of a blu-ray rip *maybe* |
| [14:52:04] | keith4: | ... but that's secondary |
| [14:52:24] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ |
| [14:52:26] | justinh: | bugger |
| [14:52:33] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau |
| [14:52:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:52:50] | keith4: | justinh: nice. thanks |
| [14:52:56] | Beirdo: | was just about to ask... who are you callin a bugger? P) |
| [14:53:37] | Beirdo: | oh dear. |
| [14:53:58] | Beirdo: | I have the South Park – Most Offensive Christmas Song stuck in my head |
| [14:54:07] | Beirdo: | I need to drown that otu |
| [14:54:09] | Beirdo: | out |
| [14:54:53] | Beirdo: | some Bob Marley should do |
| [14:54:55] | justinh: | I've got Sheryl Crow stuck in my head |
| [14:55:03] | justinh: | making me bloody miserable |
| [14:55:07] | Essobi: | haha |
| [14:55:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:55:20] | Essobi: | ALL I WANNA DEEEEEW IS HAVE SUM FUUUUUUN |
| [14:55:41] | justinh: | nah, I've got every day is a whining toad |
| [14:56:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:56:24] | Beirdo: | I think I'll make do with Bob Marley. :) |
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| [14:58:24] | justinh: | ooo. exactly 160GB of FLACs now |
| [14:59:25] | tigges: | [/index names |
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| [15:01:46] | tigges: | hi there .. i have a prob and perhaps someone can help me |
| [15:02:32] | tigges: | i'm using mythtv 0.22 a while and everything was great but now on |
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| [15:03:27] | tigges: | live tv i get a blank screen.. i'm using ffmpeg with opengl on an ati card |
| [15:03:51] | tigges: | since a few days i can only look recordings or videos |
| [15:04:39] | tigges: | no output in logs no warnings when i start the frontend with -v important |
| [15:06:03] | tigges: | i had sometimes problems with the scheduling recordings menue in livetv (only live tv was displaied in the right upper corner) |
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| [15:07:04] | tigges: | but now i have neither the scheduler screen nor live tv |
| [15:08:37] | ** Splat1 boots his myth install ** | |
| [15:08:52] | Splat1: | silly thing is still convinced the new card I have fitted is in use |
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| [15:23:36] | justinh: | S20 3FF |
| [15:23:40] | justinh: | whoops |
| [15:25:31] | iamlindoro: | You sunk my battleship |
| [15:26:36] | justinh: | heh if only UK postcodes operated on some rational level |
| [15:26:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [15:30:14] | Splat1: | Can anyone think as to why a channel would claim that its card is in use when its only defined for that one channel ? |
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| [15:30:25] | jarle: | When I have an ongoing recording, and select Live TV, and then enter a channel number on a different multiplex than the channel I am recording, why will not mythtv just use a different card and let me watch the channel I want? |
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| [15:33:44] | Splat1: | jarle, isnt that to do with the input groups ? |
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| [15:36:33] | jarle: | Splat1: I have the cards all set to enable 3 concurrent recordings, what settings in the input groups will give me the behaviour I am seeing? |
| [15:37:21] | Splat1: | I belive defineing all the tuners in the same input group would do that |
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| [15:41:45] | jarle: | Splat1: I'll have a look, but I thought it was default setting that each card would be in a different input group... |
| [15:42:06] | sphery: | jarle, it's not input groups in your case |
| [15:42:21] | sphery: | it's the fact that recordings are treated as more important than LiveTV |
| [15:42:29] | sphery: | best solution: don't use LiveTV |
| [15:42:38] | sphery: | other solution: define a key for NEXTCARD |
| [15:42:53] | sphery: | other solution (which prioritizes LiveTV over recordings): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358 |
| [15:43:25] | sphery: | the final solution (the one that it says is untested) presented there is the one to use, but read /all/ of the post or you'll be lacking important info you need. |
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| [15:51:30] | jarle: | sphery: ok, I was just thinking that as I have several fre cards and no upcomming recordings for several hours, that it should automatically select a free card... |
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| [15:52:02] | sphery: | jarle: nope--not unless you configure it to tell it to waste capture cards (as in the post I linked) |
| [15:52:52] | gizmobay: | I've compiled a bunch in the past. I'm trying to compile but I keep getting a cannot find -lGL. I have libGL.so on my system. |
| [15:53:07] | gizmobay: | What am I missing on ubuntu? |
| [15:53:10] | jarle: | sphery: I'll do some reading then.. |
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| [15:54:58] | sphery: | gizmobay: got Qt's OpenGL package? |
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| [15:55:23] | sphery: | and a proper ld.so.conf and/or LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| [15:57:11] | gizmobay: | libqt4-opengl and libqt4-opengl-dev |
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| [16:27:23] | gizmobay: | I can't figure out what's wrong |
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| [16:44:01] | Splat1: | Anyone know of a way to see what an input is currently doing ? |
| [16:46:02] | jarle: | Splat1: in more detail than you see in the information page? |
| [16:46:09] | jarle: | What is the difference between "use DiSEqC uncommitted switch position N" and "use DiSEqC switch position N" in scan-s2's usage? (It seems like you can use both settings at the same time??) |
| [16:46:34] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [16:46:46] | Beirdo: | scan-s2 is not mythtv, is it? |
| [16:46:48] | iamlindoro: | asking in multiple channels at once, politeness fail |
| [16:47:35] | Splat1: | jarle, sadly all the info pages says is that its unavailable :/ |
| [16:47:49] | Splat1: | I was wanting to find out why :/ |
| [16:48:07] | jarle: | Splat1: mythweb will tell you what it is doing.. |
| [16:48:10] | iamlindoro: | Read your backend logs from startup until an attempt to use it |
| [16:48:30] | iamlindoro: | No, MythWeb will show it as unavailable too... |
| [16:48:39] | iamlindoro: | it's unavailable because you have set it up improperly |
| [16:48:48] | Splat1: | iamlindoro, tailing them, its not mentioned :/ |
| [16:48:50] | iamlindoro: | in what way you have set it up improperly will be shown in the backend logs |
| [16:48:56] | iamlindoro: | Splat1: Don't tail |
| [16:49:07] | iamlindoro: | again, from backend startup until an attempt to use |
| [16:49:15] | iamlindoro: | and if you still think it's not there, pastebin |
| [16:49:23] | ** Splat1 gives it a shot ** | |
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| [17:17:08] | jarle: | seems like I need to figure out the rolloff of the svb-s2 transports I want to scan, where can I find that, not sure what rolloff is, or if it is listed at http://www.lyngsat.com/hd/1west.html? |
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| [17:19:16] | jarle: | I notice that mythtv has rolloff in its dtv_multiplex table... |
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| [17:21:23] | ** sphery guesses you should probably use the UI, not direct DB editing, to set it up properly... ** | |
| [17:25:29] | jarle: | sphery: I need one input only containing dvb-s2 channels, as mythtv will scan both dvb-s and dvb-s2 (even if set to dvb-s2), I need to scan using scan-s2 and import channels.conf later on (or so I figure...) |
| [17:26:27] | Splat1: | iamlindoro, you rock :) wasn't a tuner fault, the problem was that the master was having problems communicating with the slave |
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| [17:34:30] | Dandy`: | Hi. I'm trying to setup MythTV on Ubuntu and I've got it up and running and added my channels. I'm using the Network Recorder as the input source with a properly formatted M3U playlist and I've succesfully imported my channels. However when I try to watch them MythTV won't lock on to the channel. Works fine with VLC player. Can anybody help me? |
| [17:34:57] | Dandy`: | The log doesn't tell me anything useful, no errors. |
| [17:39:58] | justinh: | ahh IPTV.. the one thing nobody here ever seems to be able to help with bar the obvious |
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| [17:42:09] | Dandy`: | Strange thing being that it worked in my virtual machine before I installed it on my old computer. |
| [17:44:26] | kormoc: | why would it lock onto a iptv channel? |
| [17:45:28] | sphery: | kormoc: didn't you say that the issue that http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7632 attempts to fix is due to users using some secure build thingy? |
| [17:45:44] | Dandy`: | Well that's what it says, "You should have received a channel llock by now. You can continue to wait for a signal, or..." |
| [17:45:56] | sphery: | hardened profile or something |
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| [17:49:22] | kormoc: | sphery: IIRC, yes, it should still work fine without a hardened profile, but it's not a bad idea to disable it for x86 anyway |
| [17:50:58] | gizmobay: | I'm getting a cannot find -lGL error on compile. Where's it looking for the file? I have both libGL.so and libGL.la. |
| [17:51:29] | justinh: | gah! stupid bloody frontend |
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| [17:51:52] | justinh: | netboot, right? yeah, so You'd kinda expect the PXEROM to bring up the NIC every boot, yeah? Nope |
| [17:52:05] | sphery: | kormoc: ok, I just don't like it because users shouldn't be supplying --arch/--march/--cpu/--tune/etc. (and pretending to be smarter than the MythTV configure script that was designed to choose the appropriate settings--meaning ones that are known to work) |
| [17:52:19] | kormoc: | true enough |
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| [17:53:29] | kormoc: | as long as we're getting the sse/sse2/etc flags set right, ppro should be a fine binary target |
| [17:53:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:54:03] | sphery: | but hey, people don't run Gentoo for "fine" |
| [17:54:06] | randomuser: | I'm having trouble setting up my hvr-1600. I skipped over the driver section of the wiki page, as lspci shows the correct info, but myth's setup desn't see the card |
| [17:54:18] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [17:54:43] | kormoc: | randomuser: so... read the driver section you skipped over? |
| [17:54:52] | kormoc: | lspci will show it, driver or driverless |
| [17:54:57] | iamlindoro: | lspci has nothing to do with the driver being installed or working |
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| [17:55:37] | devinheitmueller: | randomuser: which kernel/distro are you running? |
| [17:55:55] | sphery: | after all, imagine how much faster my program will execute if I compile it specifically for my 2.8GHz quad-core processor... I mean we all know that code on a 2.8GHz quad core processor executes extremely slowly, so optimizing the code means I can avoid all those useless instructions--which will slow things down immensely. |
| [17:56:07] | devinheitmueller: | but yes, kormoc and iamlindoro are correct – just because something shows up in lspci, does not mean that there is any driver support for the card. |
| [17:56:09] | sphery: | micro-optimizations ftw! |
| [17:56:23] | sphery: | (who needs a known working build, anyway) |
| [17:56:31] | randomuser: | mythdora on 2.6.27.41–170.2.117 |
| [17:57:13] | devinheitmueller: | Well, there is some driver support in that revision. |
| [17:57:19] | kormoc: | sphery: You don't get a sense of accomplishment compiling code until it doesn't work for a million times before it does |
| [17:57:23] | randomuser: | i just installed the firmware package via yum; i'd rather stick to packages rather than compilings if at all possible |
| [17:57:28] | devinheitmueller: | But you should *definitely* upgrade the drivers since there were lots of bugs that were fixed. |
| [17:57:37] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, I forgot about the non-tangible benefits... |
| [17:58:03] | devinheitmueller: | randomuser: randomuser: you're not only using packages, but you're using *really* old packages. |
| [17:58:34] | randomuser: | any reference available on user permissions and setup for myth? i want to check that before i really dig in |
| [17:58:37] | devinheitmueller: | You can either use packages from a relatively recent distro, or you can use an old distro but compile the code from source. You cannot have it both ways and expect a good result. |
| [17:58:58] | devinheitmueller: | have you looked at the dmesg output? |
| [17:59:30] | ** sphery adds a new configure switch, --gentoo-opt, which sets random build flags 90% of the time so users don't even have to go through the trouble of choosing opts to get that sense of accomplishment ** | |
| [17:59:47] | kormoc: | sphery: ooh! Good optimization! |
| [18:01:45] | randomuser: | dmesg shows te firmware loading the card and setting up /dev/videoX's; later, 'failed to initialize on minor "n"' |
| [18:01:50] | wagnerrp: | since -O2 is better than -O0, and -O3 is better than -O2, i use -O47 |
| [18:02:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: -O1337 |
| [18:02:28] | [Peter]: | wagnerrp: everyone knows that 47 is one too many |
| [18:02:34] | wagnerrp: | that high? thats just madness |
| [18:02:41] | ** kormoc crackles like a mad man ** | |
| [18:03:24] | sphery: | I have to say, though, that I love that the "optimizations" users were making by choosing a --arch or whatever that caused fPIC on x86_32 resulted in a significantly less efficient build due to the lack of support for referencing memory as an offset from the program counter on x86_32 |
| [18:03:41] | kormoc: | yup |
| [18:03:59] | sphery: | optimization without measurement is ... |
| [18:04:22] | justinh: | what everybody strives for? |
| [18:04:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:05:33] | kormoc: | job security! |
| [18:06:51] | ** sphery goes to kill another useless setting ** | |
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| [18:20:16] | jolaren: | Hey lads. Does the windows dev guy hang around here? |
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| [18:24:05] | jolaren: | Thought I'd report a bug to him but I'll reach him by mail instead |
| [18:25:08] | kormoc: | We have a windows dev guy? |
| [18:25:23] | jolaren: | Not really.. he releases for windows.. or compiles |
| [18:25:39] | kormoc: | yeah, we don't do binaries |
| [18:25:41] | wagnerrp: | so you mean the unofficial builds |
| [18:25:56] | jolaren: | yeah |
| [18:25:59] | wagnerrp: | not the person who puts out commits for when building on windows doesnt work |
| [18:26:05] | jolaren: | still I think it's great someone does it |
| [18:26:16] | wagnerrp: | the latter would be the 'windows dev guy' |
| [18:26:23] | wagnerrp: | the former would be some 3rd party packager |
| [18:26:26] | jolaren: | yer I wrote that in a stupid way |
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| [18:26:37] | jolaren: | As you said, the 3rd party packer guy |
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| [18:27:33] | Beirdo: | blargh |
| [18:28:23] | Beirdo: | so in the past week, two gentoo lusers have complained about what might be the exact same thing for nuvexport |
| [18:28:31] | Beirdo: | I fixed it (in trunk)... |
| [18:28:52] | Beirdo: | then a second one comes along... seems to be similar, but no useful info... |
| [18:28:53] | wagnerrp: | they cant be bothered to check trac first |
| [18:29:07] | Beirdo: | what is it with lusers who a) can't describe the problem |
| [18:29:17] | Beirdo: | b) can't read how to make a bug report |
| [18:29:38] | Beirdo: | c) can't read the MAILING list they are posting problems to to see if it's been addressed |
| [18:29:45] | Beirdo: | d) can't check trac... |
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| [18:30:07] | Beirdo: | and e) why is it gentoo in particular this time? :) |
| [18:30:26] | kormoc: | Woo! |
| [18:30:27] | Beirdo: | "oh, it gave some useless error, fix it" |
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| [18:30:49] | Beirdo: | I'll fix YOU! |
| [18:31:35] | Beirdo: | and this is why I should never have a job in customer support ;) |
| [18:31:55] | Beirdo: | "BLEEEEP you, you BLEEEPING moron" doesn't go over well in that role :) |
| [18:32:12] | Beirdo: | no offense meant to actual morons. |
| [18:32:47] | gizmobay: | Figured it out. The symbolic link of libGL.so was poiting to the old file |
| [18:33:03] | jolaren: | Explaining your problem is half the solution ;) |
| [18:33:05] | jolaren: | Way of customer support |
| [18:33:26] | kormoc: | no respect, nuck nuck nuck |
| [18:33:33] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:33:56] | Beirdo: | so I asked for the "useless error". wanker still hasn't bothered to say what he was really trying to do. |
| [18:34:12] | Beirdo: | so I told him to rerun nuvexport with --debug |
| [18:34:34] | Beirdo: | betcha it's the exact same error |
| [18:34:55] | wagnerrp: | of course not, you might steal his glorious new idea |
| [18:35:00] | kormoc: | 2160p 3gp video exporting to rtjpeg at 1081 x 481 |
| [18:35:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the source video is only 2mbps |
| [18:35:49] | Splat1: | Anyone know of a sane priced USB PAL mpeg capture device ? all the pvrusb2 devices seem over priced |
| [18:36:17] | wagnerrp: | nope, theres that and the HVR-1950 (i assume theres a PAL/DVB-T version of that) |
| [18:36:27] | Beirdo: | any new exporters for nuvexport are post 0.23 release |
| [18:36:45] | jolaren: | I can't see the MythVideo fleek on my netbook but I can see it from the masterbackend / frontend |
| [18:36:47] | jolaren: | hum |
| [18:37:05] | wagnerrp: | fleek? |
| [18:37:27] | jolaren: | hum, bar? |
| [18:37:33] | [Peter]: | foo? |
| [18:37:35] | wagnerrp: | menu option? |
| [18:37:37] | jolaren: | thing you click on |
| [18:37:38] | jolaren: | ye |
| [18:37:44] | wagnerrp: | have you installed mythvideo? |
| [18:38:08] | wagnerrp: | plugins are installed separately from the frontend |
| [18:38:14] | Splat1: | foo, the 1950 is at the ?100 mark at the moment, I could get away with a dum A2D but I kinda wanted to save on cpu overhead |
| [18:38:33] | kormoc: | foo? |
| [18:38:47] | wagnerrp: | fooey? |
| [18:39:03] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, oh.. i've installed mythvideo on the masterbackend |
| [18:39:06] | Splat1: | polite term for disappointment ;) |
| [18:39:08] | jolaren: | does this need to be installed on the frontend aswell? |
| [18:39:16] | kormoc: | jolaren: every frontend, yes |
| [18:39:19] | wagnerrp: | plugins run on the frontend |
| [18:39:25] | wagnerrp: | installing it on the backend does exactly nothing |
| [18:39:33] | jolaren: | oh I see.. lol |
| [18:39:46] | sphery: | What patch are you talking about? max_num_xvmc_surfaces tuning as in the following patch from Daniel: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1842/1842.patch doesn't helps. If anyone knows what is worth trying, please let me know! |
| [18:39:50] | sphery: | Something worth trying: get a real video card! |
| [18:40:07] | sphery: | or a real CPU so you don't need XvMC |
| [18:40:14] | sphery: | or better--both! |
| [18:40:15] | jolaren: | Installing mythvideo on this frontend now, but I should still be able to access the videos of the backend, right? Seems strange to install mythvideo on every frontend |
| [18:40:16] | jolaren: | ;o |
| [18:40:17] | wagnerrp: | here what you do |
| [18:40:26] | wagnerrp: | you take that via board out of the case |
| [18:40:43] | wagnerrp: | and you hold it in your hands, look for any discoloration from overheating and such |
| [18:40:51] | wagnerrp: | and then you go in the backyard and stomp it |
| [18:40:59] | kormoc: | multiple times |
| [18:40:59] | wagnerrp: | with your feet |
| [18:41:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: +1 |
| [18:41:41] | Beirdo: | go Office Space on it |
| [18:41:55] | sphery: | jolaren: Does it seem strange to install OpenOffice.org on all your systems? Or to install mythfrontend on every frontend? |
| [18:41:59] | iamlindoro: | dang it feels good to be a gangsta |
| [18:42:01] | wagnerrp: | do we really need another comcast thread every week? |
| [18:42:08] | Beirdo: | Be sure to play Ghetto Boys – Still |
| [18:42:13] | Beirdo: | while destroying it |
| [18:42:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure there are still some market areas that haven't had their thread, yet |
| [18:42:39] | Beirdo: | the subtitled name ain't channel-friendly |
| [18:42:48] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: obviously, yes :) |
| [18:43:12] | iamlindoro: | The market has voted! |
| [18:43:18] | iamlindoro: | And that means MOAR COMCASTTHREADZ |
| [18:44:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro: can we add Via EPIA to your great framegrabber bonfire? |
| [18:45:00] | iamlindoro: | ah-yup |
| [18:45:00] | sphery: | I know it's not a framegrabber, but... |
| [18:45:03] | iamlindoro: | anything XvMC |
| [18:45:08] | sphery: | sweet! |
| [18:45:13] | iamlindoro: | and soon, maybe even anything Xv-but-not-really-GL |
| [18:45:13] | sphery: | now we need a new name for the bonfire |
| [18:45:19] | jolaren: | sphery, when you put it that way :P |
| [18:45:32] | sphery: | jolaren: :) |
| [18:45:36] | iamlindoro: | The giant pile of useless crap that will shortly be engulfed in flames |
| [18:45:36] | wagnerrp: | Antiques Roadburn |
| [18:46:09] | sphery: | TGPOUCTWSBEIF |
| [18:46:36] | iamlindoro: | Mmmm, Beif |
| [18:46:39] | sphery: | pronounced "tig-powc-twas-beef" |
| [18:47:08] | wagnerrp: | hold your nose, sphery just beifed |
| [18:47:29] | kormoc: | Go Die in a Fire Chapter 2, Electric Flames of Justice |
| [18:47:37] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:47:57] | sphery: | I'd think we could somehow work Dr Nick's flammable/inflammable controversy into it |
| [18:48:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:48:50] | Beirdo: | !trout iamlindoro tuner-ist |
| [18:48:50] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a tuner-ist trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [18:49:05] | iamlindoro: | Moi? I didn't even mention tuners! |
| [18:49:10] | iamlindoro: | oh, lamegrabbers |
| [18:49:14] | sphery: | framegrabbers! |
| [18:49:16] | jolaren: | How would I configure mythvideo to auto pull information about the video like xbmc? |
| [18:49:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:49:18] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I'm a total tunerist against those |
| [18:49:35] | Beirdo: | framegrabbers DO have one use... |
| [18:49:37] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: scroll to the video, and press 'w' |
| [18:49:37] | sphery: | or would you be a capturist? |
| [18:49:41] | iamlindoro: | I believe in tuner equality, except for those which are not equal |
| [18:49:42] | Beirdo: | other than filling a slot... |
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| [18:49:56] | sphery: | what use? |
| [18:50:01] | sphery: | kindling? |
| [18:50:09] | iamlindoro: | The enkindlers! |
| [18:50:11] | Beirdo: | it's good for playing your PS2 on your computer monitor (not using myth because it buffers to file) |
| [18:50:17] | justinh: | for applications outside the realm of mythtv :D |
| [18:50:22] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a King novel |
| [18:50:23] | sphery: | Isn't that what vga converters are for? |
| [18:50:25] | Beirdo: | xawtv FTW for that app |
| [18:50:42] | justinh: | though latency of one whole video frame may be unacceptable there |
| [18:50:46] | sphery: | wonder how much delay it adds |
| [18:50:53] | justinh: | one frame at best |
| [18:50:56] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, enkindlers are the long-dead race of some Sci-Fi game series... but can't remember which |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | nah, it's not bad in a REAL livetv app |
| [18:51:09] | justinh: | it'll be at least one frame |
| [18:51:11] | iamlindoro: | http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Prothean |
| [18:51:14] | iamlindoro: | There we go |
| [18:51:16] | justinh: | more if you add deinterlacing |
| [18:51:16] | Beirdo: | mythtv's "livetv" ain't live :) |
| [18:51:35] | justinh: | but yes, nothing like live in mythtv |
| [18:51:38] | Beirdo: | true, but one frame shouldn't kill you in most games :) |
| [18:51:43] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, I did press "w" and it scans but it's unable to find anything. Is it possible to control where the information is gathered from? |
| [18:51:48] | justinh: | purists may disagree :P |
| [18:51:57] | Beirdo: | if it does, for God's sakes, hook up to a TV |
| [18:52:01] | justinh: | but then some flat panel TVs add more than that |
| [18:52:14] | sphery: | I thought you could get a leg-up on other gamers by using a system that provides 400fps rendering |
| [18:52:20] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: sure, you can go into the mythvideo and select between a whole list of grabbers |
| [18:52:21] | Beirdo: | purists are idiots when it comes to gaming |
| [18:52:23] | sphery: | I read about it on the interwebs |
| [18:52:32] | wagnerrp: | of which there is one for TV content, and one for Movie content |
| [18:52:43] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, I reckon. Need to find the place |
| [18:53:09] | wagnerrp: | what is the name of the file youre trying to pull information for? |
| [18:53:13] | sphery: | after all, if you're rendering 400fps, then obviously the monitor that displays 60fps will only display the most important ones |
| [18:53:25] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, should this be done on the masterbackend? |
| [18:53:27] | jolaren: | or on every frontend |
| [18:53:35] | wagnerrp: | on one frontend, once |
| [18:53:39] | wagnerrp: | its a global setting |
| [18:53:44] | wagnerrp: | and there is nothing to set |
| [18:53:52] | wagnerrp: | because even though it gives you a list to choose from |
| [18:53:57] | wagnerrp: | there is only one option to choose |
| [18:54:05] | wagnerrp: | no one has yet written grabbers for other sites |
| [18:54:20] | sphery: | The new tab + in Firefox /really/ needs to be moved over to the far right--i.e. where it will /never/ occur at a place where an X used to be |
| [18:54:31] | wagnerrp: | the consensus being if you dont find it on one of those two websites, add it to that website |
| [18:54:39] | sphery: | it's annoying getting into a close tab/new tab loop |
| [18:54:39] | wagnerrp: | what is the file name youre trying to pull? |
| [18:54:42] | jolaren: | I see. I can't find where to pull that information but I will no worries. Mythvideo doesn't get the information right on any of the videos tho (family videos so no imdb information ofcourse) but in term of length etc |
| [18:55:04] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo pulls no information from the actual file |
| [18:55:07] | jolaren: | Unknown - ? |
| [18:55:10] | wagnerrp: | so it wouldnt have anything for those fields |
| [18:55:23] | jolaren: | Oh, then why are they included haha |
| [18:55:36] | wagnerrp: | because theyre generally populated by the grabber scripts |
| [18:57:54] | jolaren: | The grabbing information from some site thingy, is that to be installed separatly or is it included in mythvideo? |
| [18:58:13] | wagnerrp: | grabbers for themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com are included in mythtv |
| [18:59:41] | jolaren: | /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -D |
| [19:00:01] | jolaren: | that's what's written in the commando to find fanart |
| [19:02:10] | wagnerrp: | ah... right... dropdown list is only in trunk |
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| [19:06:57] | i_is_cat: | i got a kernel oops on my system.. the info that spewed out mentioned mythbackend i've pasted it here: http://pastebin.ca/1849512 |
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| [19:08:00] | i_is_cat: | at the time i was watching tv on my frontend and it just froze and eventually said something about video buffers and i happened to be ssh'd into the backend when that stuff popped up and the system became unresponsive |
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| [19:12:23] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, Still.. movies that I can find on themoviedb.com can't be found when pressing "w" in mythvideo |
| [19:13:08] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be able to find anything on themoviedb.com |
| [19:13:25] | jolaren: | why? |
| [19:13:37] | wagnerrp: | and if you did find the movie on themoviedb.org, but cannot pick it up with tmdb.pl |
| [19:13:38] | jolaren: | cuz its .org |
| [19:13:49] | wagnerrp: | its probably because that movie does not have an imdb number specified |
| [19:14:04] | wagnerrp: | in 0.22, mythvideo still uses the old imdb numbers, even though its now using the tmdb site |
| [19:14:34] | sphery: | or the title for your video--which is initially guessed from the filename--is wrong |
| [19:14:41] | sphery: | this happens a lot with stolen videos |
| [19:15:19] | sphery: | i.e. videos with all sorts of "only useful for file thieves looking to figure out which copy to steal" information in the filename |
| [19:15:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:16:05] | Beirdo: | aren't we a bit snobby :) |
| [19:16:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:16:18] | Beirdo: | but yup :) |
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| [19:17:39] | sphery: | I'm not trying to be snobby--just mentioning that if the filename contains garbage, the title will likely inherit that garbage and can break lookups |
| [19:17:59] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know, but it did sound kinda snobby :) |
| [19:18:16] | Beirdo: | not to worry |
| [19:18:30] | sphery: | heh |
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| [19:33:41] | Beirdo: | oh crapola |
| [19:33:52] | Beirdo: | why do people find such odd bugs?! |
| [19:34:02] | sphery: | which bug? |
| [19:34:19] | Beirdo: | so... if you record with AC3, does mythtranscode spit out all 6 channels? |
| [19:34:29] | Beirdo: | the wanker hasn't put in a ticket |
| [19:34:37] | Beirdo: | mailing list only. |
| [19:34:40] | sphery: | I think it grabs one audio stream |
| [19:34:48] | sphery: | sometimes it chooses wrong--there are tix for that |
| [19:34:52] | Beirdo: | well... |
| [19:35:03] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, you could change the metadata by pressing "I" on the movie in question, fyi |
| [19:35:05] | Beirdo: | nuvexport sees it as 6 channels (from mplayer) |
| [19:35:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:35:23] | Beirdo: | and then we hand that to ffmpeg who goes "Whaaaa?!" |
| [19:35:30] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8180 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6626 |
| [19:35:33] | Beirdo: | you want a 6-channel MP3?! |
| [19:35:48] | sphery: | heh, 6-ch MP3... :) |
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| [19:37:06] | Beirdo: | gonna get this gentoo-boy to get me the output of an midentify for his file :) |
| [19:38:04] | Beirdo: | I *think* he may have a 5.1 recording in AC3 |
| [19:38:09] | Beirdo: | but I'm not sure |
| [19:38:14] | Beirdo: | with no data... |
| [19:40:51] | Beirdo: | bah crap |
| [19:41:06] | Beirdo: | the samples in #8180. Can't grab em with wget |
| [19:41:08] | Beirdo: | thanks. |
| [19:41:38] | Beirdo: | and I can't use docs.google.com behind this fascist firewall :) |
| [19:41:49] | Beirdo: | so... will have to wait until I get home |
| [19:47:05] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [19:47:07] | skd5aner: | Ticket #12 is finally closed – after being "Blocker" for 5 years and 4 releases :D |
| [19:47:26] | skd5aner: | I feel like we should drink to that |
| [19:47:34] | justinh: | setup all mythui'd up now? |
| [19:47:34] | Beirdo: | the page for vaapi... links to j-rod's crystalhd git repo |
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| [19:47:45] | sphery: | Beirdo: so, I could download it and let you get it from me, but my upload speed is so slow, you'd likely be home long before the download completed |
| [19:48:03] | sphery: | justinh: setup is the big unknown |
| [19:48:05] | skd5aner: | justinh: don't think so, but that doesn't mean stuartm didn't close the ticket anyway ;) |
| [19:48:13] | sphery: | i.e. different people want different things for setup |
| [19:48:25] | justinh: | let them eat fork? |
| [19:48:26] | lydgate: | i've attained one of my nerdy dreams today and got my computer to email me if anything on my lovefilm list is going to be on tv |
| [19:48:35] | sphery: | and most of those people think mythui is the wrong approach |
| [19:48:42] | justinh: | lydgate: you need to have better dreams |
| [19:48:46] | Beirdo: | let em wait until > 0.23 :) |
| [19:49:02] | justinh: | sphery: what?! :-O |
| [19:49:03] | skd5aner: | I think I heard a lot of suggestions for web-based settings |
| [19:49:03] | lydgate: | justinh: yeah i've also realized that recently |
| [19:49:10] | iamlindoro: | .23 Perpetual pamplemousse |
| [19:49:17] | justinh: | oh yeah web based settings.. maybe not an awful idea |
| [19:49:30] | Beirdo: | oh it will happen... it will. |
| [19:49:37] | justinh: | but I'm darned if I'll be happy having to open a browser to change a frontend setting |
| [19:49:44] | sphery: | well, holding off on getting rid of Qt-based setup until someone gets around to web-based settings is an awful idea |
| [19:49:58] | skd5aner: | I'll like it more than x-forwarding over ssh to manage my headless MBE |
| [19:49:59] | sphery: | justinh: that's what MythBrowser is for |
| [19:50:15] | justinh: | just do the whole UI in flash then |
| [19:50:19] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [19:50:20] | Beirdo: | I'm game to do a curses-based one if people are insane enough to ask for it |
| [19:50:21] | sphery: | lol |
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| [19:50:55] | skd5aner: | flash... sphffff... Microsoft has convienced us all to try SilverLight instead ;) |
| [19:50:57] | Beirdo: | my bot already has a curses console :) |
| [19:51:09] | sphery: | skd5aner: oh, and we could use Moonlight! |
| [19:51:17] | Beirdo: | silverlight can... oh wait... be nice... |
| [19:51:18] | wagnerrp: | i was actually considering doing some curses interface to the backend |
| [19:51:25] | justinh: | html5 :D |
| [19:51:34] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well, I'm there if ya wanna work on it |
| [19:51:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:51:41] | justinh: | since the UI themes would be best scripted (allegedly) |
| [19:51:51] | wagnerrp: | although i would have done it in python |
| [19:51:52] | justinh: | hey just have C++ themes man |
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| [19:51:59] | sphery: | I just don't get why people think that HTML5 can actually replace Flash for video |
| [19:52:02] | justinh: | stop bastards changing stuff :D |
| [19:52:13] | Beirdo: | I'll python YOU. |
| [19:52:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:52:15] | skd5aner: | sphery: I was trying to watch a few NCAA March Madness games that my local CBS affiliate wasn't broadcasting on my frontend by using firefox, their SD feed is flash, but HD is silverlight... |
| [19:52:17] | sphery: | after all, can you make an open, standard video available /and/ lock it up with stupid DRM |
| [19:52:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: because it can... if you dont care about having control over it once you upload it to the user |
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| [19:52:33] | skd5aner: | unfortunately, the moonlight libraries weren't compatible :P |
| [19:52:38] | sphery: | i.e. the "If you aren't running Windows, you can't watch these shows from Fox" |
| [19:52:56] | wagnerrp: | which is perfectly fine for most flash based sites already |
| [19:53:04] | skd5aner: | had to watch games, in low quality flash, blown up to full screen on a 52" plasma :'( |
| [19:53:07] | Beirdo: | "If you are running something better than Windows, Fox is too dumb for you" |
| [19:54:04] | wagnerrp: | i mean there are only a handful of sites that ive come across that dont leave the flash video in the browser cache |
| [19:54:13] | iamlindoro: | I like the player in development here: http://jilion.com/sublime/video |
| [19:54:22] | iamlindoro: | on the off chance that we end up going with HTML5 video playback |
| [19:54:37] | sphery: | skd5aner: What? Moonlight/Mono not compatible with the Silverlight/.NET versions/API's/frameworks that are currently in use? That's... That's...exactly what I expect to be the case forever. :) |
| [19:54:39] | iamlindoro: | it'll be free for non-commercial use so presumably similar license to FlowPlayer |
| [19:54:52] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: speaking of the NCAA streaming – is it feasible to integrate that somehow into MNV? |
| [19:55:18] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Find a free source of NCAA video with an API or ToS that permits scraping, then write a grabber |
| [19:55:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea – not necessarily surprised, just venting ;) |
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| [19:55:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's not actually good security that the distributors want--it's the feeling that the video is secured |
| [19:56:05] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: A RSS source to the video links is a lot easier to integrate then a screen scraper |
| [19:56:14] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: there's no reason he can't do it for a subscription-based service |
| [19:56:18] | sphery: | i.e. the people making the decision think the flash-based security implementations are good because they don't understand any of the issues |
| [19:56:29] | skd5aner: | well, granted – I meant given the (single) option that's available... |
| [19:56:30] | Beirdo: | just as long as the user has to enter his/her own credentials |
| [19:56:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well then they need to go on the bonfire right along with all those framegrabbers and VIA boards |
| [19:56:40] | sphery: | agreed |
| [19:56:52] | skd5aner: | http://mmod.ncaa.com/developer?tag=mmodConten . . . operplatform |
| [19:57:04] | eddief: | Anyone familiar with MiniMyth??? |
| [19:57:12] | AndyCap: | sphery: what security? showing something to someone, yet not showing it to them? |
| [19:57:19] | RDV_Linux: | Beirdo: We have the capability to write grabbers that auto logon with userid and psw |
| [19:57:39] | skd5aner: | RDV: there is an RSS feed of the games – http://feeds.cbssports.com/cbssportsline/mmod . . . pLinks;icons |
| [19:57:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm just saying, there's nothing wrong with that... as long as they still follow ToS |
| [19:58:01] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: at least when they use RTMPe, the content never touches the hard drive |
| [19:58:01] | skd5aner: | but I think to just link to their page to view |
| [19:58:23] | wagnerrp: | and its an encrypted stream that someone else couldnt just access directly without breaking DMCA |
| [19:58:46] | wagnerrp: | im talking about all these youtube clones that download the file right to a browser cache |
| [19:58:54] | wagnerrp: | making it trivial for anyone to copy |
| [19:59:07] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Better get to work then, eh? |
| [19:59:28] | sphery: | AndyCap: the security of making sure only Windows users can play the video |
| [19:59:38] | sphery: | and the security of making sure the video can't be played without the annoying ads |
| [19:59:42] | skd5aner: | Well, I wasn't asking for you (or anyone really) to do it, just curious if it was feasible given the constraints |
| [19:59:43] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [19:59:53] | sphery: | and the security of making sure that it's "impossible" to keep a copy |
| [20:00:11] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: we won't know until you try to write it and we find out ;) |
| [20:00:16] | skd5aner: | haha – fair enough |
| [20:01:26] | skd5aner: | well, let me ask it this way – if there isn't a link directly to a video, is it possible to integrate mythnetvision to display a webpage rather than trying to directly play/display the video? NOTE: I have not played with MNV or trunk yet |
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| [20:02:42] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: It already works that way. MythBrowser displays what ever URL the grabber provides web page or video |
| [20:02:45] | skd5aner: | basically, if it's within the context of a browser, then it wouldn't be a TOS issue, right? |
| [20:03:23] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: Thanks – I thought so, but again – haven't played with it yet |
| [20:03:31] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Not necessarily. You need to read the TOS in detail. Some sites only allow a URL to their main page. |
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| [20:04:08] | skd5aner: | This one in particular allows you to link directly to a specific game's video feed |
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| [20:04:30] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Other site do not allow any sort of application crawling that is faster than a human can do. |
| [20:04:44] | skd5aner: | gotcha |
| [20:05:41] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Send me a site link. I will add it to the possible list of the TOS provides. |
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| [20:05:54] | skd5aner: | RSS feed – http://feeds.cbssports.com/cbssportsline/mmod . . . pLinks;icons |
| [20:06:02] | skd5aner: | Developer Site – http://mmod.ncaa.com/developer?tag=mmodConten . . . eveloperCode |
| [20:06:28] | skd5aner: | I'm looking for TOS now... |
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| [20:07:42] | skd5aner: | EULA – http://mmod.ncaa.com/eula |
| [20:08:30] | RyeBrye: | Man, what cheapskates: "CBSI will not be obligated to, and you acknowledge that CBSI will not, provide any bandwidth, modem, computer, or any other equipment, system or connectivity for you to connect to the Internet." |
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| [20:12:04] | skd5aner: | I was hoping to get my free CBS modem – shucks |
| [20:13:44] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Thanks filed it in the MNV sports feeds section, |
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| [20:15:00] | skd5aner: | NP – of course, that'll change every March :) |
| [20:16:09] | Ezun: | Hey guys, back again. Really liking this community |
| [20:16:19] | justinh: | we must try harder |
| [20:16:23] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: is that list published somewhere? Or just kind of a list of "Sites for Consideration" you utilze for future releases? |
| [20:16:57] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Most of what I am writing now allows for user configurations. |
| [20:17:17] | justinh: | is there a plan to put site lists up on services.mythtv.org ? |
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| [20:19:17] | Ezun: | I know this is user error, but I'm having a hard time finding things on the web about mythtv that aren't really really old, like 2005–2007 |
| [20:19:30] | Ezun: | so when I look for a way to resolve things that's what pops up for me in the forums |
| [20:19:34] | skd5aner: | Ezun: about waht specifically? |
| [20:19:37] | Ezun: | any suggestions to improve my searches? |
| [20:19:38] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: The list I referred to was just my local collection of sources for MNV grabbers. I have a few unreleased grabbers for a 0.24 MNV project I am working on. Today I started the BBC iPlayer treeview and search grabbers. Just started my ground work now. |
| [20:19:53] | justinh: | Ezun: mythtv doesn't have any official forums |
| [20:19:54] | skd5aner: | Ezun: I use gossamer threads and sort by date usually |
| [20:20:56] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I have never considered putting my list up anywhere. |
| [20:20:57] | Ezun: | ok, maybe the gossamer threads will help |
| [20:21:06] | justinh: | mythtvtalk.com has about 2 regular posters who bother replying to new threads |
| [20:21:17] | Ezun: | but I'm trying to get my remote configured and i'm running into a lot of old documentation (doesn't mean it's irrelevant |
| [20:21:35] | justinh: | lirc.org for documentation about lirc :) |
| [20:21:39] | Ezun: | The challenge I have, it's not a "standard" or MCE remote |
| [20:21:55] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: cool! Well, perhaps for March Madness 2011 myth users will be able to watch all 63 games streamed to their TV with help from MNV :) |
| [20:22:01] | Ezun: | justinh, Yeah I've looked there – I'm probably to green to be doing this |
| [20:22:13] | justinh: | Ezun: so you learn the buttons with irrecord & make your own |
| [20:22:37] | Ezun: | justinh – Thanks – I see that I can do that, but I"m little lost |
| [20:22:45] | justinh: | don't panic |
| [20:22:46] | Ezun: | the problem is that I have a truly universal remote |
| [20:22:50] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: I already wrote an NBA grabber and would like to do a sports page of at least pro sports but that is down the line. |
| [20:22:51] | justinh: | well so? |
| [20:22:54] | Ezun: | it's an RIT T2C |
| [20:22:59] | Ezun: | so you have to program everything on it |
| [20:23:02] | skd5aner: | Ezun: LIRC is a pain, but it's not impossible :) |
| [20:23:11] | Ezun: | Yeah, I trust LIRC will work |
| [20:23:13] | Ezun: | just have to get it set up |
| [20:23:16] | justinh: | Ezun: most of the config files I've seen on the net had something wrong with them anyway |
| [20:23:24] | skd5aner: | Ezun: google is your friend for LIRC, not a lot has (drastically) changed over the years with LIRC |
| [20:23:24] | Ezun: | SO :-) What is the "best" remote to use |
| [20:23:26] | TheAsp: | Ezun: it can control the universe? |
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| [20:23:30] | TheAsp: | :) |
| [20:23:33] | TheAsp: | (sorry) |
| [20:23:44] | justinh: | Ezun: if you have an MCE remote receiver, try to emulate that with your remote |
| [20:23:45] | Ezun: | TheAsp – give me a way, and I can make this thing control anything |
| [20:23:56] | skd5aner: | Ezun: loaded question – the answer is whatever you can receive that has enough buttons for whaty ou want it to do |
| [20:24:01] | Ezun: | seriously, I could open and close my garage door with it (useful only when wife is trying to get in) |
| [20:24:14] | justinh: | and you need to make sure it sends codes your IR receiver works with |
| [20:24:21] | justinh: | most important, that ^^^^ |
| [20:24:33] | skd5aner: | MCE remotes are popular because they generally work "out-of-the-box" and are well suited for a DVR |
| [20:24:40] | Ezun: | justinh: ok – So I'll load an MCE configuration onto my remote, and then use irrecord to record the proper commands, right? |
| [20:25:10] | Ezun: | justinh – I have the Hauppauge 2250 card with the IR cable plugged into it (the one that comes with it) |
| [20:25:16] | justinh: | Ezun: or start with a standard mce conf file (lircd.conf) then use the irw command & see if every button gives the right response |
| [20:25:25] | Ezun: | so it should work, right? |
| [20:25:32] | justinh: | no guarantees of anything |
| [20:25:33] | Ezun: | Justinh: ok |
| [20:25:40] | justinh: | depends on the receiver hardware |
| [20:25:57] | justinh: | sometimes the receiver part is done on a micro which is programmed to only work with one set of codes |
| [20:26:21] | justinh: | other times it's just a dumb port.. other times it's a micro with versatile code |
| [20:26:26] | Ezun: | what happens if it doesn't work, then what do I do to get IR codes in? |
| [20:26:37] | Ezun: | I did the LIRC using Alsa_audio |
| [20:26:56] | justinh: | learn the remote which comes with the tuner card onto your 'universal' remote |
| [20:26:58] | Ezun: | and I could hear the codes if I turned on the speakers, but couldn't get LIRC or Myth to recognize them |
| [20:27:26] | justinh: | foolproof! |
| [20:27:29] | Ezun: | justinh: and therein lies the rub – I (stupidly) saved $10 to buy the card without the remote... :-( |
| [20:27:56] | justinh: | so stop panicking & just *try* stuff |
| [20:28:05] | justinh: | worst case, you go out & buy an MCE remote kit |
| [20:28:32] | TheAsp: | Send me the remote, I'll get it working |
| [20:28:37] | justinh: | best case, you program the remote to act like an MCE remote & it'll 'just work' with a standard config file |
| [20:28:52] | Ezun: | yep |
| [20:28:57] | Ezun: | I know |
| [20:28:58] | justinh: | IIRC Hauppauge remote receivers are pretty versatile |
| [20:29:14] | Ezun: | I was working on this day and night for a while, then the wife got irritated, just need to start again. |
| [20:29:35] | justinh: | then remember that when you map stuff onto a universal remote, there's no guarantee all the buttons can be used |
| [20:29:44] | Ezun: | was hoping I could find an instant answer... :-) |
| [20:29:48] | justinh: | that was a big limitation with my OFA-6 |
| [20:30:03] | justinh: | it could emulate a hauppauge remote but didn't do all the buttons |
| [20:30:18] | Ezun: | justinh: another question |
| [20:30:19] | justinh: | there's never an instant answer where lirc is involved |
| [20:31:07] | Ezun: | I can have my universal remote behave like many different remotes at once. So, would it work to have my LIRC files "receive" commands from different remotes, thus allowing me to leverage all of the buttons? |
| [20:31:26] | justinh: | possibly |
| [20:31:32] | justinh: | depends how capable the IR receiver is |
| [20:31:43] | Ezun: | justinh: I'm starting to learn that this whole endeavor was just for my "enjoyment" and the instant answer isn't always the fun one anyway |
| [20:31:57] | justinh: | and if the codes are too dissimilar you'd have to set it up as separate remotes in the lirc config |
| [20:32:17] | justinh: | meh. having to learn new stuff all the time is for people who have time |
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| [20:33:01] | Ezun: | ok, will LIRC "accept" from two different remotes at the same time or would I have to change some config each time I wanted to use different functions? |
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| [20:33:20] | justinh: | no it'll support multiple remotes in one lircd.conf file |
| [20:33:25] | Ezun: | nice |
| [20:33:27] | Ezun: | thanks |
| [20:33:39] | Ezun: | so I'll stop pestering, you guys are always enormously helpful |
| [20:33:40] | Ezun: | thank you! |
| [20:33:45] | justinh: | still about time lirc got its own irc channel |
| [20:33:47] | justinh: | lazy buggers |
| [20:33:52] | Ezun: | :-) |
| [20:34:05] | Ezun: | They're probably afraid of it – too many questions |
| [20:34:13] | Ezun: | from people like me, who want it to be simple |
| [20:34:14] | skd5aner: | yea – who would want to hang out there?! |
| [20:34:56] | justinh: | I got nowhere with lirc for days til I stopped trying to use the config files I found on the internet |
| [20:35:17] | justinh: | for the 10 minutes or so learning a config with irrecord can take.. |
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| [20:36:56] | justinh: | but for all the people who just use what comes bundled.. heheheh. Cough. Should.. Ahem.. Just.. mweh.. work! |
| [20:36:59] | Ezun: | yeah, couldn't get irrecord to work with audio_alsa driver |
| [20:37:10] | Ezun: | now that I have the IR receiver I'll try again. |
| [20:37:39] | justinh: | I'm amazed lirc even works with alsa in makebelieve land |
| [20:37:40] | Ezun: | I just have to pick a remote in my mythbuntu setup to start with. |
| [20:38:14] | Ezun: | it seemed like it was going to work, and i could even hear the sounds coming in and part mode2 or whatever could "see" it, but I couldn't make the next step happen. |
| [20:38:17] | justinh: | no mythtv distro in the world would ever work with my remote out of the box. I'm safe in that knowledge |
| [20:38:21] | Ezun: | so I gave up and got the reciever |
| [20:38:25] | Ezun: | but haven't done anything since |
| [20:38:33] | Ezun: | mine either |
| [20:38:39] | Ezun: | so I have to learn this darn thing. |
| [20:38:43] | Ezun: | :-\ |
| [20:38:48] | justinh: | well, with ir receivers on tuner cards there's a whole new world of pain waiting for you |
| [20:39:00] | Ezun: | oh, GREAT |
| [20:39:04] | justinh: | all wrapped up in 'human interface device' hell |
| [20:39:04] | Ezun: | why do you say that? |
| [20:39:19] | justinh: | cross that bridge when you come to it. IF you do :) |
| [20:39:37] | Ezun: | I'm going to pretend like you didn't say that and assume it's going to work. |
| [20:39:44] | justinh: | ROFL |
| [20:39:55] | Ezun: | not to mention, my tuner card isn't officially supported. |
| [20:39:57] | Ezun: | by Myth |
| [20:40:04] | justinh: | yes, say hello to the Happy Little Elves while you're at it :D |
| [20:40:13] | wagnerrp: | almost no tuner cards are officially supported by myth |
| [20:40:15] | Ezun: | :-) |
| [20:40:30] | Ezun: | so do many people have the 2250? |
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| [20:40:37] | justinh: | works in linux, supported by the linuxtv API... *should* work in mythtv |
| [20:40:38] | justinh: | simples |
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| [20:40:51] | Ezun: | :-) |
| [20:41:04] | Ezun: | ok, gotta run – this damn work thing SUCKS |
| [20:41:05] | justinh: | no worky in loonix, never worky in miffyteevees |
| [20:41:18] | Ezun: | I'm not sure why they don't just give me money to do what I want |
| [20:41:28] | Ezun: | out |
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| [20:47:29] | wagnerrp: | this is what happens when you allow your bug tracker become a message board, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lig . . . comments=all |
| [20:48:47] | justinh: | for pity's sakes! |
| [20:49:55] | justinh: | hey to stem that they could just add a 'ME TOO' button to tickets |
| [20:50:17] | justinh: | democracy! vote a bug up or down :D |
| [20:50:29] | Beirdo: | It would be good to have a "this bug affects me as well" count |
| [20:52:36] | Beirdo: | also be good if someone would teach this guy at work how to use SVN |
| [20:53:39] | wagnerrp: | what is there to teach? |
| [20:53:46] | wagnerrp: | its pretty simple |
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| [20:54:16] | wagnerrp: | checkout/checkin... what more do you need to know? |
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| [20:54:52] | wagnerrp: | or does it do things like delete one file, only to replace it with another with changes? |
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| [20:55:22] | iamlindoro: | I do think the new Ubuntu branding is a giganto step in the right direction |
| [20:55:49] | iamlindoro: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2 is particularly nice |
| [20:56:17] | iamlindoro: | Would love to have similar contemporary aesthetic on the myth sites |
| [20:56:56] | kormoc: | mock it up |
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| [20:59:36] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I wish I had the kind of talent that produced some of the mockups above :) |
| [21:00:08] | kormoc: | to be fair, it's really only the images we'd need |
| [21:00:14] | kormoc: | the rest of it, easy peasy |
| [21:00:38] | kormoc: | %s/images/images and colors/ |
| [21:01:12] | kormoc: | and the left facing man icon totally remindes me of bmezine's logo |
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| [21:04:24] | skd5aner: | I agree – "me too" comments add noise, but it can be useful to see if something impacts a large percentage of users or if people can replicate it – a "me too" button w/count could lower the S/N |
| [21:04:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro: there's nothing flashy about those graphics IMHO |
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| [21:04:53] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you've already produced some spanking good icons for your themes man |
| [21:05:18] | iamlindoro: | justinh: It has a conhesiveness that I don't know if I am capable of-- anyway, I think they're pretty, that's all :) |
| [21:05:34] | kormoc: | "I already hit the 'me too' button, but wanted to add that this is extremely important!' |
| [21:05:48] | justinh: | pfft. says he who's made the single most cohesive mythtv theme evah |
| [21:06:07] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [21:06:10] | justinh: | for non-professional designers we've all raised the bar |
| [21:06:28] | justinh: | infact even by a lot of pro standards we've all done more than our fair chunk |
| [21:06:55] | justinh: | there are some nasty graphics out there being sold for money |
| [21:07:23] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I suppose there's always those folks out there who have to have their voice heard one way or the other no matter way :/ |
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| [21:08:43] | skd5aner: | s/way/what |
| [21:10:29] | justinh: | can't see anything in the new ubuntu theme that wasn't previously possible. well other than the daft button placement |
| [21:11:19] | skd5aner: | I think it's more of just an overall rebranding/marketing effort |
| [21:11:54] | justinh: | mmmmm.. I can't even say that word lol |
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| [21:15:34] | jarle: | When I want to import channels.conf in mythtv's channel scanner, should channels.conf be in vdr or zap format? |
| [21:15:53] | wagnerrp: | the one outputted by 'scan' |
| [21:16:38] | jarle: | wagnerrp: I'm using scan-s2 and the default format there is vdr, but that did not seem to work out... |
| [21:17:37] | justinh: | zap format then |
| [21:17:52] | justinh: | though any scanning failure in mythtv-setup should be reported |
| [21:17:57] | ** Beirdo zaps justinh ** | |
| [21:18:24] | justinh: | you should be zapping jarle for swearing |
| [21:18:29] | justinh: | vdr... meh |
| [21:19:41] | jarle: | justinh: There is not scanning failure in mythtv, but I need to ability to ONLY scan for dvb-s2 channels, and mythtv will automatically also add dvb-s channels... |
| [21:20:36] | justinh: | so add a transponder at a time :-) |
| [21:20:41] | justinh: | but only do the s2 ones |
| [21:21:13] | tzanger: | that reminds me |
| [21:21:29] | tzanger: | I have a handful of DVB-S2 NIMs and some GL862 TS-to-USB2 modules |
| [21:21:29] | jarle: | justinh: I found it to be easier just putting the data into a scan-s2 init-file |
| [21:21:36] | tzanger: | I gotta build me a little receiver :-) |
| [21:26:19] | ** jarle really enjoys the "test decryptability" function of the myth channel scanner. Leaves me less channels to sort through... ** | |
| [21:26:51] | kormoc: | jarle: we don't decrypt, so that setting doesn't exist |
| [21:27:27] | sphery: | I think it's more of a "is the stream encrypted" test |
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| [21:28:41] | iamlindoro: | part of the new channel scanner (which jacks up scan times, but produces more trustworthy results) |
| [21:29:27] | kormoc: | Sure, just decryptability implies decryption, which we don't do |
| [21:31:12] | iamlindoro: | But you can have channels which are falsely labeled as encrypted, or a user with a CAM |
| [21:31:26] | kormoc: | sure |
| [21:31:49] | iamlindoro: | so the new channel scanner has a toggle to test whether a channel is decryptable, or merely to trust the encrypted flag |
| [21:32:09] | iamlindoro: | the latter speeds up scan times considerably, AIUI |
| [21:32:14] | kormoc: | still, seems a silly word when it's more 'channel is playable' |
| [21:32:33] | iamlindoro: | Many ergonomic issues with the new scanner are silly :) |
| [21:32:50] | ** kormoc yawns ** | |
| [21:32:55] | kormoc: | Is it 5 yet? |
| [21:33:44] | sphery: | 5:33 |
| [21:33:56] | kormoc: | Yay! |
| [21:33:58] | ** kormoc heads home ** | |
| [21:34:02] | kormoc: | if only... |
| [21:34:30] | jarle: | what makes a new channel be "in conflict" in the channel scanner, that the channel number is already in use, or something else? |
| [21:35:07] | justinh: | oh good God no. PLEASE no! http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a2 . . . service.html |
| [21:35:10] | sphery: | Sometimes it's deep psychological issues. Other times, it's just a channel that's in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
| [21:35:27] | sphery: | The latter is where channel heroes are born... |
| [21:35:37] | kormoc: | hahaha |
| [21:36:02] | sphery: | picnic service... |
| [21:36:42] | justinh: | nothing like confusing a marketplace with a paytv service where none is welcome |
| [21:36:52] | justinh: | oh wait.. yes it is! |
| [21:37:13] | tzanger: | sphery: heh |
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| [21:41:17] | jarle: | hmmmmm... my channels.conf contains several channels that are not added by running import channels.conf??? |
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| [22:03:15] | mcl0vin: | new to this stuff here, and i am sure i have way ahead of me to read! I have a bunch of backed up DVDs , can i use MythTV to flip thru these movies |
| [22:03:27] | sphery: | again, we don't support pirated content |
| [22:03:30] | iamlindoro: | ha, now they're backed up |
| [22:04:09] | mcl0vin: | well i am trying to put it in nce wording |
| [22:04:45] | sphery: | a rose by any other name... |
| [22:04:50] | iamlindoro: | the words aren't the problem, the theft is |
| [22:04:54] | justinh: | if a media player you seek, use a mere media player |
| [22:05:14] | justinh: | if a full-featured DVR you need, look no further than mythtv |
| [22:05:37] | sphery: | isn't there one out there that's just a media center /and/ that seems designed around the needs of users like him? |
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| [22:05:56] | kormoc: | something like eXtreme Box |
| [22:06:27] | justinh: | eXtreme Box Master Control ? |
| [22:06:28] | justinh: | :-O |
| [22:06:46] | ** justinh waits to be set on fire ** | |
| [22:07:04] | iamlindoro: | Big Open eXtreme Entertainment Edifice |
| [22:07:06] | sphery: | soon the cavalry will be here to defend themselves |
| [22:07:28] | kormoc: | maybe they're already here? Perhaps we walked into their trap! |
| [22:07:33] | sphery: | d'oh! |
| [22:07:47] | justinh: | heh anyway I just look at it the way the idiots at the mpaa will. other projects don't seem to say outright they abhor piracy, but we do |
| [22:07:49] | sphery: | and here I thought that bear trap was on my foot before |
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| [22:08:48] | justinh: | can anybody else smell petrol? |
| [22:08:56] | justinh: | sure I can smell petrol |
| [22:09:03] | ** kormoc stops flicking his lighter and sniffs around ** | |
| [22:09:33] | justinh: | keep my eyes open for that Col. GDIAF-i |
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| [22:13:42] | Beirdo: | kaBOOM |
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| [22:14:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | not everyone wants 10 boxes next to the TV. mythvideo is very serviceable. It could just use a tweak here or there. |
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| [22:16:14] | ** kormoc eyes JEDIDIAH__ with bewilderment ** | |
| [22:16:20] | Beirdo: | Ahhh. the channel of non-sequiters |
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| [22:16:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | what was that? non-squatter? |
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| [22:16:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | what was that? non-squatters? |
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| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | statements that don't follow each other logically |
| [22:17:12] | Beirdo: | !trout JEDIDIAH__ dictionary |
| [22:17:12] | ** MythLogBot slaps JEDIDIAH__ with a dictionary trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [22:17:20] | Beirdo: | of course... |
| [22:17:23] | Beirdo: | !trout |
| [22:17:23] | ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo ** | |
| [22:17:31] | Beirdo: | I may have spelled it wrong :) |
| [22:17:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | "we don't do X because we have some hangup" -> more devices than you really need |
| [22:18:26] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:18:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | It matters not. I have bash. |
| [22:18:58] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [22:18:59] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__: it's up to the user to decide what they want to use for what. We don't support or encourage or discuss pirated content, but in the end, it's all up to the user to do as they wish |
| [22:19:12] | kormoc: | oh lordy, is this the epic bash script guy? |
| [22:19:30] | Beirdo: | if so, prepare to be bashed |
| [22:19:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | Sometimes you also assume piracy without any real justification. |
| [22:19:42] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has not written any bash epics lately. ** | |
| [22:19:46] | Beirdo: | sometimes we don't care |
| [22:19:50] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__: "<mcl0vin> new to this stuff here, and i am sure i have way ahead of me to read! I have a bunch of downloaded DVD over 1 TB, can i use MythTV to flip thru these movies " |
| [22:20:02] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH__: no real justification eh? |
| [22:20:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | ok, that's what I get for not scrolling up. |
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| [22:20:20] | Beirdo: | it's not what WE assume that matters, it's what outside freaks with lawyers assume |
| [22:23:19] | Beirdo: | I for one would rather stand on the side of falsely assuming piracy than on the side of turning a blind eye with a wink |
| [22:23:39] | ** Beirdo shoots mcl0vin's parrot :) ** | |
| [22:23:59] | tzanger: | that reminds me of a GREAT joke |
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| [22:24:16] | kormoc: | There once was a man from nantucket... ? |
| [22:24:19] | tzanger: | a priest goes to a pet store to buy a talking parrot. the shopkeeper says there's only this one left, and he curses like you wouldn't believe |
| [22:24:36] | tzanger: | priest says no problem, I'll take him anyway. maybe I can teach him not to do that |
| [22:24:44] | tzanger: | anyway gets the thing home, sets up the caage and the bird's just a cursin |
| [22:25:04] | tzanger: | after a few minutes and it's not letting up, he throws a blanket ove the cage, maybe the bird will go to sleep |
| [22:25:09] | tzanger: | nope... only gets louder and more pissed off |
| [22:25:21] | tzanger: | priest moves to another room and tries to calm his nerves by reading the good book |
| [22:25:31] | tzanger: | can't... do it... bird's just swearing like a goddamned sailor |
| [22:25:41] | tzanger: | priest goes in the basement to try to get the bird out of his head... nope |
| [22:26:00] | tzanger: | he gets so riled up he storms up to the living room, grabs the bird right out of the cage, takes him to the kitchen and throws him in the freezer |
| [22:26:07] | tzanger: | slams the door shut and walks out of the room |
| [22:26:22] | tzanger: | after a few minutes he's calmed down and worried about what he did |
| [22:26:28] | tzanger: | cruelty to living creatures and all that |
| [22:26:37] | tzanger: | so he goes to the freezer opens the door and the bird walks out |
| [22:27:05] | tzanger: | the bird says in a very calm and polite manner "I'm terribly sorry for my previous behaviour. I promise I won't ever swear again." |
| [22:27:17] | tzanger: | "That's more like it," says the priest, and takes the bird back to the cage |
| [22:27:26] | tzanger: | "By the way," asks the parrot, "what'd the chicken do?" |
| [22:27:32] | Beirdo: | we so need a freezer in this channel sometimes |
| [22:27:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:27:41] | tzanger: | exactly |
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| [22:28:51] | Beirdo: | yay, our blocker bug is being worked :) |
| [22:30:57] | ** kormoc yawns ** | |
| [22:31:15] | Beirdo: | what, are we waking you up? :) |
| [22:31:24] | kormoc: | nah, just tired today |
| [22:31:30] | kormoc: | wanna go home and sleep |
| [22:31:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | time to take the bird out of the oven... |
| [22:31:54] | Wicked: | anyone in here familiar with fedora 12 and lirc? i cannot for the life of me get my pvr-150 working |
| [22:32:13] | Beirdo: | you put the parrot in the OVEN? |
| [22:32:33] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:32:35] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [22:32:46] | Beirdo: | fedora... lirc... ivtv... |
| [22:32:57] | Beirdo: | three non-mythtv items at once :) |
| [22:32:57] | Wicked: | > |
| [22:32:59] | bjd: | the f word! |
| [22:33:04] | Wicked: | ? |
| [22:33:06] | Beirdo: | ding ding... we have a winner |
| [22:33:18] | ** Wicked is confused ** | |
| [22:33:25] | Beirdo: | that's OK |
| [22:33:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | just by happy coincidence... I had a bird in the oven. It was time for it to come out. Been in there half the day. |
| [22:33:42] | Beirdo: | anyways... sorry, I don't use fedora at this time, nor lirc... |
| [22:33:51] | Beirdo: | JEDIDIAH__: poor parrot |
| [22:33:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | it was the chicken. |
| [22:34:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:34:50] | kormoc: | poor, poor, tasty, yummy chicken |
| [22:34:57] | Beirdo: | mmmmmm. |
| [22:35:09] | Beirdo: | jerk chicken.... |
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| [22:35:15] | Beirdo: | wrong island. |
| [22:35:35] | Beirdo: | plenty of jerks though. |
| [22:36:23] | Beirdo: | I want Indian food |
| [22:36:26] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [22:36:47] | Beirdo: | kormoc: please tell me there's a good Indian place in Seattle :) |
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| [22:39:53] | sphery: | woo-hoo on #8143 |
| [22:40:12] | kormoc: | Beirdo: plenty |
| [22:40:12] | Beirdo: | YAY! |
| [22:40:27] | Beirdo: | kormoc: excellent :) I miss that from Toronto, I tell ya |
| [22:40:45] | Wicked: | anyone know if the jarod @ wilsonet hangs around in here? ive been told he might be able to help with my fedora and lirc issue. |
| [22:40:47] | sphery: | now we just need to cut the branch/rc |
| [22:41:09] | Wicked: | he seems to post on the mailing lists...but im unsure if he goes on irc...and what he does by if he does go on irc |
| [22:41:16] | Beirdo: | he might be able to, Wicked. Not sure if he's on right now |
| [22:41:17] | sphery: | he's not in here now |
| [22:41:24] | sphery: | the mailing list is probably the best start |
| [22:41:38] | Wicked: | what nick does he go by? |
| [22:41:57] | ** sphery wonders if he's allowed to say ** | |
| [22:42:02] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:42:18] | sphery: | let's just say he stopped hanging out in #mythtv-users a couple years ago when he got busy |
| [22:42:36] | Beirdo: | he drops in from time to time, but not often |
| [22:42:41] | Wicked: | :( |
| [22:42:42] | sphery: | and if you send an e-mail to the users list, he'll likely see it and be able to set up a time/place to help if he has the time |
| [22:42:55] | kormoc: | and he doesn't go by the nick of kormoc or kormoc_ or even kormoc__ |
| [22:43:20] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [22:43:42] | sphery: | wait, he's not kormoc |
| [22:43:55] | kormoc: | exactly |
| [22:43:56] | iamlindoro: | karmack! |
| [22:44:02] | Wicked: | sarcasms a bi*** on irc... |
| [22:44:03] | sphery: | all those Seattle people look the same to me |
| [22:44:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:44:12] | Wicked: | so is kormoc him? |
| [22:44:16] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:44:19] | Beirdo: | then I should look like kormoc soon then |
| [22:44:21] | ** Wicked once again confused ** | |
| [22:44:22] | sphery: | (though I think he's actually New England area, now...) |
| [22:44:24] | iamlindoro: | no! Yes! Maybe! |
| [22:44:32] | Wicked: | hey im in new england! |
| [22:44:32] | sphery: | no, he's not kormoc |
| [22:44:40] | kormoc: | Who can you trust?!?! |
| [22:44:41] | iamlindoro: | but kormoc is him |
| [22:44:48] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:44:49] | sphery: | kormoc's the guy you talk to when you want MythWeb ported to Python |
| [22:44:53] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [22:44:58] | Wicked: | ok. im getting like 10 diff answers |
| [22:45:11] | Beirdo: | Wicked: use the mailing list :) |
| [22:45:14] | Beirdo: | less mocking there |
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| [22:45:32] | kormoc: | if you give a true statement, you'll be boiled alive, if you give a false statement, you'll be eaten alive! MAKE YOUR STATEMENT! |
| [22:45:32] | sphery: | or, at least, the mocking takes a /lot/ more time to come in, so it's spread out a bit better |
| [22:45:42] | Wicked: | i dont know what im gonna do. i need help getting lirc working on f12...but my mythtv system is down missing recordings atm....so ineed to figure something out lickidy split |
| [22:46:04] | sphery: | for real, though jarod @ wilsonet is not in here |
| [22:46:07] | Wicked: | luckily tonight is not to bust for me |
| [22:46:15] | Wicked: | ok thanks for a straight answer :) |
| [22:46:23] | sphery: | are you using LIRC for channel changes, then? |
| [22:46:26] | Wicked: | yea. |
| [22:46:32] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that's unfortunate |
| [22:46:37] | jpabq: | !seen j-rod |
| [22:46:37] | MythLogBot: | j-rod was last seen 2 days 17 hours 52 minutes 1 second ago |
| [22:47:03] | kormoc: | jpabq, now you've gone and spoiled the surprise |
| [22:47:03] | Wicked: | hmm. he is onlne |
| [22:47:08] | sphery: | I know there have been a lot of threads on -users list that involved LIRC on Fedora, and he seems to get people all fixed up in them |
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| [22:47:16] | sphery: | you may find what you need just looking at the archives |
| [22:47:20] | Wicked: | i dont see why you guys wouldnt just say that who he is |
| [22:47:27] | ** Beirdo hands kormoc a trout ** | |
| [22:47:41] | jpabq: | kormoc, actually, I had not read back yet. I was looking for him myself :) |
| [22:47:42] | Wicked: | yea im looking over the lists now |
| [22:47:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:49:02] | jpabq: | I have lirc working with lirc_serial under F12. I was hoping for help getting the VFD working on my "original version" Antec Fusion. |
| [22:49:05] | sphery: | knowing nothing of your issue, I'd recommend threads such as http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/423111#423111 ("MythTV 0.23 – Problems with Arclight and Graphite") and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/422266#422266 ("lirc_serial problem with 2.6.32 Fedora 12") |
| [22:49:15] | sphery: | and, no, that's not a joke or a typo or anything |
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| [22:49:29] | sphery: | the first one is--as anyone should know--a thread involving LIRC and Fedora |
| [22:49:36] | Wicked: | hehe ok. i just saw that one on the lists |
| [22:49:39] | sphery: | thus the subject, "MythTV 0.23 – Problems with Arclight and Graphite" |
| [22:49:46] | Wicked: | yea i know right lol |
| [22:49:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ^^^ |
| [22:50:09] | kormoc: | well, it is iamlindoro's fault for bundling f12 and lirc with his themes after all |
| [22:50:33] | iamlindoro: | My theme is awesome, a free DVR with every purchase |
| [22:50:36] | sphery: | yeah, I heard he charged $15 for each of them, too |
| [22:51:20] | sphery: | FWIW, though, the thread is actually 2 threads--someone did a Reply to create a new thread |
| [22:51:23] | Beirdo: | OK, time to blow this popsicle stand, go home and write a resignation letter. |
| [22:51:52] | sphery: | you're signating again? |
| [22:51:53] | ** Beirdo cues Canibus – Shove This Jay-Oh-Bee ** | |
| [22:52:19] | Beirdo: | I should make it short and sweet. "I QUIT." |
| [22:52:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:52:34] | sphery: | actually, it's not a reply/new thread |
| [22:52:35] | tzanger: | Beirdo: take this job and shovel it. |
| [22:52:39] | kormoc: | sphery: yeah, He's a Seattlite now |
| [22:52:41] | sphery: | it was all from the same thread |
| [22:53:01] | Beirdo: | I'm a Seattlite who just hasn't gotten there yet :) |
| [22:53:03] | sphery: | wow, I didn't know that was long term |
| [22:53:03] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [22:53:14] | Beirdo: | I went for interviews... |
| [22:53:16] | ** sphery thinks Seattle is much colder than PR ** | |
| [22:53:28] | Beirdo: | came back to PR... got offer... going back to Seattle :) |
| [22:53:36] | sphery: | nice, congrats |
| [22:53:38] | Beirdo: | it is, but that's OK |
| [22:53:46] | iamlindoro: | But Seattle has access to better bacon/vodka/peanut butter/coffee houses |
| [22:53:59] | Beirdo: | and indian food :) |
| [22:54:00] | kormoc: | sometimes all mixed together too |
| [22:54:02] | iamlindoro: | and that |
| [22:54:09] | sphery: | yeah, but what's he gonna do when he needs access to the world's largest radio telescope? |
| [22:54:13] | Beirdo: | and friends... |
| [22:54:20] | Beirdo: | hehe. |
| [22:54:24] | Beirdo: | yeah well. |
| [22:54:27] | kormoc: | sphery: hijack a airplane and a commando team? |
| [22:54:33] | sphery: | lol |
| [22:54:40] | Beirdo: | fund it? |
| [22:54:52] | Beirdo: | it's kinda slowly getting shut down |
| [22:54:53] | sphery: | and he can build a machine using the instructions he gets from the receiver, then visit with his Dad |
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| [22:55:01] | kormoc: | yeah! |
| [22:55:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:55:23] | Beirdo: | the crazy thing is... I'll be about as far away from family as I am now |
| [22:55:28] | kormoc: | just bypass sleeping with the minister |
| [22:55:28] | Beirdo: | just west instead of south |
| [22:55:54] | highzeth: | http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigsl . . . rally-racers you would appreciate this story Beirdo ;) |
| [22:56:21] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta get the heck away from this desk :) |
| [22:56:32] | Beirdo: | see ya all on the flip side in a bit |
| [22:56:57] | sphery: | so, based on the pattern, you'll next live somewhere in northern canada? |
| [23:02:24] | kormoc: | Siberia |
| [23:03:13] | sphery: | heh, that could be |
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| [23:03:57] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc_ | |
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| [23:07:33] | Wicked: | how long does it take for a messaged sent to the mailing lists to show up? |
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| [23:07:46] | iamlindoro: | if you are subscribed, instantly |
| [23:07:49] | iamlindoro: | if you aren't, forever |
| [23:07:59] | Wicked: | i should be |
| [23:08:29] | Wicked: | oh wait..its saying im not.... |
| [23:08:34] | kormoc_: | Post Universal Heat Death |
| [23:08:35] | Wicked: | i used to be |
| [23:08:36] | Wicked: | :| |
| [23:09:08] | Wicked: | says: Post by non-member to a members-only list |
| [23:10:20] | QED__ is now known as christ_ | |
| [23:10:38] | Wicked: | bah. how the heck do i become a member again? |
| [23:13:37] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/ |
| [23:15:17] | Wicked: | ok i think i got it working |
| [23:15:35] | Wicked: | but my message is not showing up on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ |
| [23:15:59] | iamlindoro: | gossamer isn't real time |
| [23:16:06] | iamlindoro: | .. Mike |
| [23:16:11] | Wicked: | yup :) |
| [23:17:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:17:21] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-March/date.html (bottom) |
| [23:17:37] | Wicked: | yup its there! :) |
| [23:17:50] | Wicked: | now lets hope someone who knows more sees it |
| [23:18:46] | Wicked: | i am fine with missing a few recordings tonight....but i need mythtv backup and running by 6:30pm tomorrow hehe |
| [23:18:56] | Wicked: | so i hope someone responds tonight |
| [23:19:15] | iamlindoro: | better post your budget then ;) |
| [23:19:34] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [23:23:33] | Wicked: | hmm..im new to using mailing lists..i just got a email with a new posting from the mailing list...is there anyway i can not receive emails on each new message? |
| [23:24:00] | iamlindoro: | use digest |
| [23:24:19] | iamlindoro: | Then you can use people without all the impositions of being a part of a community |
| [23:24:20] | Wicked: | whats that? a program? |
| [23:24:55] | Wicked: | :o |
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| [23:30:10] | sphery: | Wicked: http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -> "You can subscribe to the list, or change your existing subscription, in the sections below." -> "To unsubscribe from mythtv-users, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options enter your subscription email address:" |
| [23:30:37] | Wicked: | yea. i saw that. gonna check it out in a few...just got a response on the lists. |
| [23:30:46] | Wicked: | thanks :) |
| [23:31:15] | sphery: | or just put an appropriate mail filtering rule in place to filter messages with List-Id:.*Discussion about mythtv to the appropriate place |
| [23:31:48] | Wicked: | ah. i should learn how to use email more effiecently |
| [23:38:42] | kormoc_: | how does anyone get by these days without knowing things like that? |
| [23:38:46] | ** kormoc_ blinks ** | |
| [23:38:48] | kormoc_ is now known as kormoc | |
| [23:51:14] | sphery: | I found--once I made the decision to treat e-mail as an unreliable communication medium--I use e-mail quite efficiently. |
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