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| [00:11:19] | wagnerrp: | trac is very noticeably faster after the upgrade |
| [00:12:35] | kormoc: | and there was much rejoicing |
| [00:13:15] | wagnerrp: | and mythweb is broken! |
| [00:13:28] | wagnerrp: | teach me to upgrade past the event system fix... without updating the backend to match... |
| [00:14:55] | iamlindoro: | and yet it is mythweb which is broken ;) |
| [00:15:32] | wagnerrp: | of course, it couldnt possibly be me at fault |
| [00:16:00] | wagnerrp: | lousy developers, not catering to every whim of my broken configuration |
| [00:16:03] | kormoc: | that's the spirit |
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| [00:18:18] | iamlindoro: | And we've closed our one .23 ticket for the day... |
| [00:18:41] | kormoc: | the mythweb broken thumbnails doesn't count? ;) |
| [00:18:49] | iamlindoro: | It does, it's the one :) |
| [00:18:54] | kormoc: | haha |
| [00:18:59] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [00:19:20] | wagnerrp: | one a day, keeps the users away |
| [00:19:31] | iamlindoro: | If we can get the MHEG one fixed, we could even get an RC out |
| [00:19:41] | iamlindoro: | not that I want anyone to feel any pressure |
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| [00:30:02] | wagnerrp: | im getting password reset requests on my facebook account |
| [00:30:09] | wagnerrp: | funny.... i dont have a facebook account |
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| [00:38:25] | sphery: | ThisOtherGuy: I'll work on getting your patch in tomorrow. It brings to light some other problems with that function, and dinner takes priority. |
| [00:38:54] | sphery: | (problems that existed before your patch) |
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| [00:56:25] | wagnerrp: | crap... mythtranscode is caught on some file |
| [00:56:34] | wagnerrp: | and has been dumping errors to the log file for the last couple hours |
| [00:56:39] | wagnerrp: | my log file is 2.7GB |
| [00:57:09] | Beirdo: | urgh |
| [00:57:21] | Beirdo: | X stopped working after upgrading to karmic |
| [00:57:23] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [00:59:11] | clever: | Beirdo: pretty much every dist-upgrade ive done has broken things:P |
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| [00:59:51] | wagnerrp: | funny, i generally dont have any significant problems after my ~monthly gentoo updates |
| [01:00:15] | skd5aner: | update != upgrade |
| [01:00:15] | wagnerrp: | nopackages ftw! :P |
| [01:00:27] | jolaren: | Hey. A friend of mine offered me to buy a Hauppauge HVr 4000 Hybrid for 60 euros and I might just buy it. He got it as a present but he doesnt own a computer so its pretty useless to him. It seems to have full support in mythtv! On the box it says quad tuner (dvb-s/dvb-t) etc.. But only 1 tuner for dvb-t, right? and does analog by default mean dvb-c? |
| [01:00:32] | jolaren: | Sorry if it's stupid questions |
| [01:00:33] | clever: | ive run mythtv on my gentoo once for testing firewire |
| [01:00:39] | jolaren: | I tried to find info of google but couldnt find any |
| [01:00:40] | clever: | but the box refuses to give me anything |
| [01:00:54] | wagnerrp: | who gives a tuner card to someone without a computer? |
| [01:01:17] | jolaren: | wagnerrp, good question tho.. a friend of ours from abroad |
| [01:01:19] | skd5aner: | maybe he won it? |
| [01:01:19] | jolaren: | he got it cheap |
| [01:01:29] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: as far as i know, its a single tuner, able to operate in PAL, DVB-T, DVB-S, or DVB-C mode |
| [01:01:37] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to a quad-tuner |
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| [01:02:01] | jolaren: | Okay, I have a dvb-c jack in the wall so I might aswell buy it I gues |
| [01:02:06] | jolaren: | cuz it's cheap |
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| [01:02:35] | wagnerrp: | http://hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hvr4000.html |
| [01:02:39] | jolaren: | yer ive read |
| [01:02:44] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:02:53] | wagnerrp: | PAL, DVB-T, DVB-S, and DVB-S2 |
| [01:02:54] | wagnerrp: | no -C |
| [01:03:16] | jolaren: | hmm then its pretty useless to me.. 60 euro for a single tuner |
| [01:03:22] | jolaren: | (cant use any of the -s formats) |
| [01:03:58] | jolaren: | thanks for all the clarifications |
| [01:07:07] | jolaren: | pretty remarkable tho when I came to think of it.. that's my only friend who doesnt own a computer |
| [01:07:21] | jolaren: | I mean I have some friends who don't use theirs like ever.. but they still have one |
| [01:09:18] | jolaren: | You lot mind not find that as fascinating as I do.. I remember a time when noone had a computer.. typemachines ftw |
| [01:12:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know anyone who doesnt have a computer |
| [01:13:46] | wagnerrp: | and my grandma is the only person i know who doesnt use theirs at least several times a week |
| [01:17:29] | jolaren: | I could live without mythtv but going back to payin bills by goin to the bank of the post office.. shoot me |
| [01:20:14] | Beirdo: | bang! |
| [01:20:28] | iamlindoro: | ahhh, going out in public! |
| [01:20:52] | iamlindoro: | He's a tricksy one that wants to take away our internetssssss |
| [01:20:56] | wagnerrp: | oh you dirty XvMC... trying to pull in a libdl.so that doesnt exist |
| [01:21:12] | ** wagnerrp petitions to remove XvMC support ** | |
| [01:21:29] | iamlindoro: | you'll find that Mark, sphery, me, and possibly daniel and chutt are 100% behind you :) |
| [01:21:56] | iamlindoro: | we can use Xv and X11 as kindling |
| [01:22:02] | iamlindoro: | since those are likely out as well |
| [01:22:41] | wagnerrp: | Xv out? you mean Xshm? |
| [01:22:47] | iamlindoro: | no, I mean Xv |
| [01:22:54] | wagnerrp: | or will it be VDPAU and OpenGL rendering only? |
| [01:22:55] | iamlindoro: | with GL becoming the minimum requirement |
| [01:22:59] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [01:23:03] | iamlindoro: | GL would do all the rendering |
| [01:23:07] | iamlindoro: | including VDPAU |
| [01:23:19] | iamlindoro: | like the four-letter kids do it |
| [01:24:39] | wagnerrp: | look at that... remove XvMC and it seems to be compiling fine (if perhaps taking half an hour) |
| [01:24:43] | wagnerrp: | i need an upgrade |
| [01:24:50] | jolaren: | Can't understand how Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T 500 has gone down 20 euro in price since I bought ti |
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| [01:25:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think j-rod did a patch for that |
| [01:25:58] | sphery: | (the libdl thing) |
| [01:26:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23641 |
| [01:26:28] | wagnerrp: | well the patch seems to be 'configure --disable-xvmc' |
| [01:26:28] | sphery: | is that failing for you? |
| [01:26:34] | sphery: | or do you not have it |
| [01:26:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im running current |
| [01:26:51] | sphery: | might want to mention to j-rod |
| [01:27:07] | sphery: | or convince everyone to kill XvMC + Xshm + possibly Xv |
| [01:27:08] | wagnerrp: | no, he ADDED -ldl |
| [01:27:30] | sphery: | right, I'm saying if that's causing failure for you, it needs fixing |
| [01:27:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got an open ticket for freebsd compiling issues |
| [01:27:47] | sphery: | since it may not be portable across distros (or BSD?) |
| [01:27:49] | wagnerrp: | ill tack that on as well |
| [01:28:45] | oobe: | xv dont a lot of playback profiles use xv? |
| [01:29:04] | sphery: | well, if Xv is gone, playback profiles will be updated |
| [01:29:15] | sphery: | but, yes, Xv is the default renderer for software decoders |
| [01:29:23] | sphery: | and is what the vast majority of people are using |
| [01:29:27] | oobe: | but that means less options for playback |
| [01:29:47] | iamlindoro: | and many MANY more options for what we can do with the UI in the future |
| [01:30:01] | sphery: | but on the bright side--especially with current cards either dropping Xv support or making Xv support require 3D support--most people wouldn't need it |
| [01:30:10] | iamlindoro: | so we can support lots of output mode and stick with a 20th century UI, or we can do what every other media center app does and have a flashy one |
| [01:30:15] | iamlindoro: | side note, you don't get a vote anyway |
| [01:30:28] | sphery: | (especially if we really put some effort into fixing up the OpenGL video renderer--which hasn't been done since all the focus has been on Xv) |
| [01:31:09] | sphery: | where "flashy" = the basic quality level people expect of a DVR today |
| [01:31:18] | oobe: | so how does playback support effect the UI? |
| [01:31:26] | sphery: | not stupid/useless bling--just the basics require it |
| [01:31:34] | sphery: | because we can't put the UI on top of Xv |
| [01:31:43] | sphery: | so we can't have video playback with UI exposed |
| [01:31:47] | iamlindoro: | you cannot mix playback and UI in any sort of effective manner with archaic output modes |
| [01:31:52] | sphery: | and we can't do a good OSD with Xv |
| [01:32:19] | iamlindoro: | nor can you have a video miniplayer, be able to move through the menus with video underlayed with transparency, and a million other things we want to be able to do |
| [01:32:57] | iamlindoro: | For a great example of what you can do if you require GL, see XBMC... and people somehow manage to suck it up and use that in spite of needing GL |
| [01:33:03] | sphery: | nor put video on the 4 sides of a cube |
| [01:33:12] | sphery: | (as everyone knows, cubes have only 4 sides) |
| [01:33:44] | oobe: | so is this going to happen when .23 is released or is it planned for .24 |
| [01:33:58] | sphery: | (where, actually, iamlindoro's is what we're aiming for and mine was a joke referring back to the useless bling) |
| [01:34:06] | sphery: | 0.23 will support Xv |
| [01:34:09] | wagnerrp: | is that whats holding up the preview widget? or is gbee just burned out and taking a breather after all the work he put in for 0.22? |
| [01:34:14] | sphery: | after that, everything is unknown |
| [01:34:27] | sphery: | that's a major contributor to the preview widget |
| [01:34:36] | iamlindoro: | Preview widget undoable properly without Marks rework... marks rework undoable properly without dropping archaic outputs |
| [01:34:37] | sphery: | we can only do it by faking it if we don't change the UI |
| [01:34:42] | sphery: | and it's completely non-reusable |
| [01:34:55] | sphery: | so changing the UI gives the opportunity to do it right |
| [01:35:00] | sphery: | and make is usable all over MythTV |
| [01:35:25] | jolaren: | do they really say "uboat" in the us? |
| [01:35:42] | iamlindoro: | If they're referring to a german submarine from World war I or II, yes. |
| [01:35:46] | wagnerrp: | when talking about WWII german submarines, yes |
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| [01:37:01] | jolaren: | iamlindoro, I saw it on family guy and I was stumbled cuz it's extremly close to the Swedish word "ubåt" |
| [01:37:28] | jolaren: | but it all makes sence cuz the environment was the german invasion of poland |
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| [01:38:21] | wagnerrp: | because they would have done that by sea? |
| [01:38:56] | jolaren: | no cuz stewie flees in a "uboat" |
| [01:39:01] | jolaren: | surrounded by nazis |
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| [01:44:16] | jolaren: | btw that episode was priceless |
| [01:44:27] | jolaren: | just saw the entire thing.. acctually laughed a few times |
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| [02:12:03] | Beirdo: | I'm going insane here |
| [02:12:22] | Beirdo: | why can't this crappy Radeon video card start up properly in X NOW? |
| [02:12:51] | Beirdo: | I get a black screen |
| [02:14:31] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... thats nice |
| [02:14:37] | wagnerrp: | the mythweb screens load so fast now |
| [02:15:28] | wagnerrp: | upcoming recordings and recorded programs in ~2s, listings in ~4s |
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| [02:25:00] | Beirdo: | blargh |
| [02:25:21] | Beirdo: | the Xorg.0.log looks just great |
| [02:25:29] | Beirdo: | but nothing on the flippin monitor |
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| [02:27:59] | Beirdo: | but vesa mode works |
| [02:28:04] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [02:31:09] | Beirdo: | [ 755.520197] Xorg:5267 freeing invalid memtype e0102000-e0112000 |
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| [02:31:15] | Beirdo: | what the??? |
| [02:31:30] | jolaren: | I need 2x 1.5 m antennacables.. |
| [02:31:44] | jolaren: | I've found this DELTACO Antennkabel 100Hz 2m, ferritkärnor .. but what's a ferritcore? |
| [02:32:04] | Beirdo: | what's google? |
| [02:32:21] | wagnerrp: | iron core |
| [02:32:27] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to solid copper |
| [02:32:54] | wagnerrp: | that, or they stuffed ferrets into a small tube |
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| [02:33:02] | wagnerrp: | im voting for the latter |
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| [02:47:22] | Beirdo: | gah, I hate computers |
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| [02:51:02] | oobe: | wagnerrp, what did you do to make mythweb so fast? |
| [02:51:48] | oobe: | is it an sql tweak or did you upgrade to trunk or somthing |
| [02:52:19] | jolaren: | Beirdo, the hate love is the only love |
| [02:52:21] | wagnerrp: | just updated past some commit from two weeks ago |
| [02:52:47] | oobe: | oh ok cause i remember after following some suggestions for my.cnf on the wiki mythweb was much faster |
| [02:52:55] | jolaren: | i just ordered yet annother hauppage wintv nova-t 500 =) |
| [02:53:16] | oobe: | but i havent re applied the same changes since i changed distros |
| [02:53:18] | jolaren: | but this time the "hd" version which comes with "HD" codec on cd -.- it was cheaper but seems to be exacly the same card |
| [02:54:29] | oobe: | wagnerrp, actually i noticed it was much faster too im using newest fixes so that must be it |
| [02:54:40] | wagnerrp: | oobe: no, thats not it |
| [02:55:14] | oobe: | so it is trunk you are running |
| [02:55:19] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:56:55] | oobe: | maybe it did get backported cause mine is very fast now like noticably |
| [02:57:01] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:58:16] | oobe: | must be somthing i did then |
| [02:58:25] | oobe: | me so clever |
| [02:58:29] | wagnerrp: | this was a fix for an issue resulting from a new feature in trunk |
| [02:58:42] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [02:59:04] | oobe: | i am definatly waiting for .23 to be released before i upgrade this time |
| [03:02:49] | Beirdo: | blargh! |
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| [03:02:56] | Beirdo: | I think this is a busted kernel |
| [03:03:15] | Beirdo: | or did I leave it in failsafe mode? |
| [03:03:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:06:36] | Beirdo: | in failsafe |
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| [03:35:20] | mardok: | Has anyone tried using the Beagleboard as a MythTV backed? I'm trying to find a machine to put MythTV on that has little power consumption |
| [03:36:35] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to bother with a beagleboard |
| [03:37:07] | ** Beirdo smacks his computer repeatedly ** | |
| [03:37:22] | Beirdo: | OK, I'm upgrading to lucid, maybe they UNborked it all |
| [03:37:46] | Beirdo: | seems that the only way to get any joy with my crap Radeon in karmic is in VESA mode |
| [03:38:08] | wagnerrp: | its got less power and memory than a decade old desktop |
| [03:38:35] | wagnerrp: | your average linux distro wont be happy with it, much less mythbackend |
| [03:38:39] | wagnerrp: | and mysql |
| [03:39:11] | mardok: | wgnerrp: Is the beagleboard just not good enough? Even for SD TV? |
| [03:39:22] | Beirdo: | what's the processor? |
| [03:39:31] | iamlindoro: | embedded ARM |
| [03:39:35] | Beirdo: | oh jeez |
| [03:39:36] | wagnerrp: | 600MHz ARM A8 |
| [03:39:41] | wagnerrp: | but even more important |
| [03:39:46] | wagnerrp: | a scant 128MB of memory |
| [03:39:50] | Beirdo: | you MIGHT be able to *IF* the PCI bus works well |
| [03:39:58] | Beirdo: | but the memory... yikes |
| [03:40:18] | wagnerrp: | and no tuner or storage access besides USB |
| [03:40:34] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [03:40:37] | mardok: | I was planning on using a USB tuner and network card |
| [03:40:38] | Beirdo: | never mind. |
| [03:40:57] | Beirdo: | yay.... another 1.1G of upgrade |
| [03:41:07] | wagnerrp: | if you really must have a low power backend, at least go for an Atom |
| [03:41:13] | wagnerrp: | consider that a bare minimum |
| [03:41:23] | wagnerrp: | and at least 1GB of memory |
| [03:41:44] | Beirdo: | you should be able to sneak by with 512MB, but I wouldn't count on it |
| [03:41:57] | wagnerrp: | well you should, if youre not running anything else |
| [03:42:05] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:42:34] | wagnerrp: | 512MB gets you a bare linux system (no X), the backend, the sql server, and maybe another 250MB for disk cache |
| [03:42:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:43:05] | Beirdo: | I remember running X on a 4MB machine |
| [03:43:12] | Beirdo: | yes, I said 4MB :) |
| [03:43:28] | Beirdo: | 386DX40 :) |
| [03:43:45] | Beirdo: | it was painful |
| [03:43:55] | Beirdo: | compiling a kernel took 24h |
| [03:44:06] | mardok: | Well, since Atom is probably the way to go, would this one be fine? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383 |
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| [03:44:12] | clever: | Beirdo: ive done it on a ~20mb laptop before |
| [03:44:18] | clever: | but i compiled it elsewhere |
| [03:44:27] | clever: | i was going to use it as a thin X client |
| [03:44:35] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [03:44:37] | clever: | but the ethernet card refused to work |
| [03:44:40] | wagnerrp: | will linux even run on a 386 any longer? |
| [03:44:43] | clever: | and pppoe over serial was unstable |
| [03:44:44] | Beirdo: | ethernet?! |
| [03:44:46] | wagnerrp: | at least without significant effort? |
| [03:44:52] | clever: | i think i forgot to turn hardware flow control on |
| [03:44:54] | Beirdo: | I think it will, yes |
| [03:44:58] | clever: | Beirdo: pcmcia 10mbit |
| [03:45:04] | Beirdo: | but forget using a stupid distro |
| [03:45:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:45:13] | wagnerrp: | i know freebsd dropped i386 support some number of versions back |
| [03:45:13] | clever: | i think the pcmcia bus was ISA based, linux refused to even see it |
| [03:45:18] | Beirdo: | slackware will be your friend again |
| [03:45:27] | wagnerrp: | you have to do a custom compile to use those old systems |
| [03:45:31] | clever: | it was LFS i think |
| [03:45:34] | Beirdo: | I tossed that hardware a long time ago |
| [03:46:52] | Beirdo: | right after a lightning strike blew it to crap |
| [03:48:17] | Beirdo: | it was insured on a special rider... and the BLEEPING insurance company wouldn't honor the policy |
| [03:48:30] | Beirdo: | needless to say, we no longer paid to insure our computers. |
| [03:49:30] | jolaren: | I wonder if its possible to run two fontends on two different screens? on the same combined frontend backend |
| [03:49:40] | jolaren: | thinkin of buyin a new graphic cad for just that purpose |
| [03:49:44] | jolaren: | card |
| [03:49:48] | wagnerrp: | possible? yes... if you like masochism |
| [03:49:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:50:13] | Beirdo: | you can even run on a dual-head video card if you like pain |
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| [03:50:41] | jolaren: | why is that massochism :D |
| [03:50:50] | Beirdo: | like the piece of crap radeon I have |
| [03:50:51] | jolaren: | thoght id supply two tvs with one |
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| [03:51:39] | tank-man: | yea i do that |
| [03:51:51] | tank-man: | actually, ive done that |
| [03:52:20] | tank-man: | sd content tho |
| [03:52:39] | Beirdo: | so the "fix" for karmic and my video card... fresh install? |
| [03:52:52] | Beirdo: | I think I'll try lucid first. thanks |
| [03:53:04] | Beirdo: | they borked the upgrade process or something |
| [03:53:11] | tank-man: | jolaren, what are you going to do about sound? |
| [03:53:28] | Beirdo: | watch only silent movies :) |
| [03:53:40] | Beirdo: | Charlie Chaplin to the rescue |
| [03:55:02] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, ah, you've stumbled on the Ubuntu users one-stop solution to everything |
| [03:55:24] | Beirdo: | they truly want to make it Windows |
| [03:55:25] | iamlindoro: | Video problems? Reinstall. Myth DB problems? Reinstall. Mouse dirty? Reinstall. |
| [03:55:27] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [03:57:31] | Beirdo: | I'm goin to bed |
| [03:57:42] | Beirdo: | hope my computer likes upgrading ;) |
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| [04:00:25] | clever: | i never reinstall, i almost never reboot |
| [04:01:10] | kormoc: | you never have anything working |
| [04:01:22] | clever: | then how am i on irc now? :P |
| [04:01:23] | wagnerrp: | burn!! |
| [04:01:38] | clever: | how come i have over 1tb worth of recordings? |
| [04:01:53] | Beirdo: | you're not, it's a bot |
| [04:01:53] | clever: | probly nearing 3tb |
| [04:02:27] | kormoc: | I don't believe you have 1tb of drive space, that's a metric ton of 50 meg drives |
| [04:02:45] | clever: | i have a 1tb drive, and a 1.5tb drive |
| [04:02:52] | clever: | and a 500gig array of 4 drives |
| [04:03:05] | Beirdo: | good for you :) |
| [04:03:12] | clever: | that totals 3tb |
| [04:03:18] | Beirdo: | no |
| [04:03:26] | Beirdo: | it totals 2.5TB |
| [04:03:42] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [04:03:42] | clever: | /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv |
| [04:03:42] | clever: | 536G 521G 4.3G 100% /media/mainlv |
| [04:03:42] | clever: | media:/media/videos/1tb/ |
| [04:03:42] | clever: | 932G 926G 6.4G 100% /media/videos/1tb |
| [04:03:44] | Beirdo: | plus an array :) |
| [04:03:44] | clever: | media:/media/videos/15tb/ |
| [04:03:47] | clever: | 1.4T 1.4T 6.3G 100% /media/videos/15tb |
| [04:03:59] | Beirdo: | !trout clever not-so-clever-flooding |
| [04:03:59] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a not-so-clever-flooding trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [04:04:12] | ** clever blames df!, it doubled the line count!! ** | |
| [04:04:30] | Beirdo: | you pasted it, not df |
| [04:04:41] | clever: | i didnt paste! |
| [04:04:43] | clever: | /exec -o df -h /media/mainlv/ /media/videos/1tb/ /media/videos/15tb/ |
| [04:04:49] | clever: | irssi pasted for me:P |
| [04:05:00] | Beirdo: | whatever. You pasted it ;) |
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| [04:15:35] | jolaren: | tank-man, two sep output.. one koaxial and one optical |
| [04:16:01] | wagnerrp: | those are generally only one output |
| [04:16:13] | wagnerrp: | it just outputs the same thing to both ports at the same time |
| [04:16:30] | jolaren: | hmm regular 3.5mm then? |
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| [04:17:28] | wagnerrp: | that would do it... assuming your card can output more than one stream at once |
| [04:19:23] | jolaren: | well ill try to find a solution befoe sure summer comes along |
| [04:19:42] | wagnerrp: | that would be... two computers |
| [04:19:55] | jolaren: | i just pressed a button which openeed alot of menus on the screen of the tv |
| [04:19:58] | jolaren: | what button was that? |
| [04:20:03] | wagnerrp: | m |
| [04:20:08] | jolaren: | oh thx |
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| [04:44:14] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: shinies is asking for animated fire ;) |
| [04:44:32] | iamlindoro: | Woo hoo, fire! |
| [04:44:47] | ** kormoc goes back to packing ** | |
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| [04:45:10] | iamlindoro: | whassup |
| [04:45:14] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, o/ |
| [04:45:21] | iamlindoro: | sorry, just know that some are more touchy than others about OT stuff over there |
| [04:45:37] | foxbuntu: | yeah, forgot which channel I was in |
| [04:45:38] | foxbuntu: | :) |
| [04:45:50] | foxbuntu: | the mythbuntu dev channel is all OT |
| [04:46:23] | wagnerrp: | sure, but theres only about a half dozen active people in there, and theyre almost all mythbuntu devs |
| [04:46:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Is it your SC trip? |
| [04:46:49] | foxbuntu: | wagnerrp, tis true |
| [04:48:19] | iamlindoro: | Anyway foxbuntu, once Mark finishes the OSD branch and merges that back in (hopefully for .24) Arclight will have a matching OSD... Unlike Arclight I haven't become totally bored with it so it may go on getting tweaks |
| [04:48:26] | iamlindoro: | er Unlike Graphite |
| [04:49:55] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: sc trip? |
| [04:50:22] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, nice |
| [04:50:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Thought you were headed to Santa Clara one of these weeks |
| [04:50:45] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: ahh, yeah, that didn't work out |
| [04:50:53] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: nah, this is my changing apartments move |
| [04:50:54] | iamlindoro: | boo |
| [04:51:06] | iamlindoro: | I would have taken you to dinner/local capuccino ;) |
| [04:51:06] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: from Edmonds, wa, to downtown Seattle |
| [04:51:13] | iamlindoro: | well that should be fun at least |
| [04:51:20] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I'm sure I'll be down that way soon, there's plenty going on there :) |
| [04:51:34] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'm excited bout it |
| [04:51:41] | kormoc: | but it's crazy getting things together to move |
| [04:51:47] | iamlindoro: | I'm packing for camping/triathlon this weekend, blah |
| [04:51:51] | kormoc: | especially given I have 14 hours left |
| [04:51:55] | iamlindoro: | "Where's my wetsuit? No, my OTHER wetsuit!" |
| [04:52:01] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [04:52:42] | sphery: | wetsuit up! |
| [04:52:48] | kormoc: | So is it camping during the triathlon? |
| [04:52:56] | kormoc: | cause that's hardcore |
| [04:53:05] | iamlindoro: | for some events, yeah |
| [04:53:12] | iamlindoro: | I prefer a hotel to be honest :) |
| [04:53:16] | kormoc: | Hehe |
| [04:53:19] | kormoc: | Understandable |
| [04:53:55] | iamlindoro: | It's hard enough without a crick in your neck because you slept on a branch |
| [04:54:01] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [04:54:13] | sphery: | swim a mile, bike 60 miles, run 20 miles, start 30 campfires using only sticks, roast 100 marshmallows, and tell 3 scary stories – the hexathlon |
| [04:54:15] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, Arclight needs a watermark for the status screen |
| [04:54:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Heh, we always refer to the "fourth sport" when we mean getting trashed at the end |
| [04:54:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:55:21] | kormoc: | I could likely swim a mile... very slowly... I don't think I could bike 60 or run 20... I could walk 80 very slowly... |
| [04:55:38] | sphery: | The closest I've ever come to a triathlon was when I upgraded from my K6–2/380 to try AMD's newer CPU. |
| [04:55:44] | iamlindoro: | Heh, and that's when I mention the cutoff times |
| [04:55:59] | sphery: | what are the real distances? |
| [04:56:07] | iamlindoro: | 1.2/56/13.1 |
| [04:56:10] | iamlindoro: | swim/bike/run |
| [04:56:14] | sphery: | wow |
| [04:56:20] | kormoc: | so how long do you have? |
| [04:56:31] | sphery: | I usually don't even drive 56 miles in a week |
| [04:56:34] | iamlindoro: | and for this event, basically one hour/four and a half/two and a half |
| [04:56:35] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be in a bit of trouble |
| [04:56:44] | wagnerrp: | my laptop doesnt seem to have libpam installed properly |
| [04:56:46] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:56:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: that... wow... amazing |
| [04:57:01] | wagnerrp: | so i cannot log on, or even su to root to fix it |
| [04:57:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: rescue disk and chroot are your friends |
| [04:57:36] | wagnerrp: | the amusing thing is im using IRC on my laptop currently |
| [04:57:48] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, shame is getting passed by various hardcore old ladies |
| [04:58:00] | kormoc: | heh |
| [04:58:12] | iamlindoro: | I train *hard* so I have no idea where some of these people come from that make it look so easy |
| [04:58:21] | iamlindoro: | frickin ubermensches |
| [04:58:26] | kormoc: | I swim about .22 miles per hour, so it'd take me 6 hours to do the first stage... you'd be done with the race |
| [04:59:07] | iamlindoro: | if that's true, you'd get out of the water and we could have a drink! |
| [04:59:16] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:59:25] | iamlindoro: | drinking > running > biking > swimming |
| [04:59:28] | kormoc: | Doesn't sound half bad when you put it that way :) |
| [04:59:57] | iamlindoro: | and of course, sleeping > all of those |
| [05:00:15] | kormoc: | Yeah, I tend to go out about 200 yards when I go into the sound and it takes about 30 minutes to get there, which calculates at .22 mph, now granted, that's with poking fish and chasing crabs, so... |
| [05:01:35] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [05:02:37] | wagnerrp: | and probably some decent currents too |
| [05:03:05] | wagnerrp: | i can swim really fast in my pool |
| [05:03:15] | wagnerrp: | (nevermind the wall i have to kick off of every 35ft) |
| [05:03:42] | kormoc: | I *really* try to time it so that tides low or coming in when I go out so that no matter what, I'll make it to shore even if I have to float in like a log |
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| [05:05:26] | kormoc: | oh lord, the one time I was out and the tide starting going out sucked. I was tired and I barely could match the current. Ended up getting to a beuy and resting for awhile before I could make it back, that sucked |
| [05:05:44] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: so you do salt water or? |
| [05:06:06] | iamlindoro: | depends on the event, this one is in a lake, a few months ago I did same distance in the ocean |
| [05:06:21] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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| [05:11:43] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, I just upgraded my main boxen to use archlight and the graphics are all pixelated, is there something I am missing? |
| [05:13:10] | ** iamlindoro wonders if foxbuntu is joking ** | |
| [05:13:28] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, no, really |
| [05:13:45] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, If I didnt read something or missed something Im sorry |
| [05:13:55] | wagnerrp: | no, thats just the background |
| [05:14:16] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1844345 |
| [05:14:30] | wagnerrp: | but its an ongoing joke that hes getting help requests for broken backgrounds, and for the 'real background' |
| [05:14:45] | ** iamlindoro really figured folks would know the difference between pixelated and giant 64x64 mosaics :) ** | |
| [05:15:35] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, sorry, I looked through the screen quick and didnt notice that before, I get what you are going at, it just looks strange on my huge TV |
| [05:18:53] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, perhaps its partly qt |
| [05:19:15] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, the colors are more clear with opengl |
| [05:20:02] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, I love the watch recordings menu though |
| [05:20:08] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, big win there |
| [05:22:08] | foxbuntu: | gaa segfault! |
| [05:22:11] | foxbuntu: | lol |
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| [05:22:25] | foxbuntu: | uh? |
| [05:25:41] | kormoc: | Three totes full of alcohol packed |
| [05:25:47] | kormoc: | here's to them not breaking/leaking! |
| [05:29:11] | foxbuntu: | kormoc, sounds like a good weekend to me ;) |
| [05:29:53] | foxbuntu: | wagnerrp, I gotta say, wow on the speed increase on the frontend |
| [05:30:27] | wagnerrp: | im just here for the bindings |
| [05:30:35] | foxbuntu: | lol |
| [05:32:41] | kormoc: | foxbuntu: it's enough to kill many a folk :P |
| [05:33:21] | foxbuntu: | kormoc, ok, so...a VERY good weekend |
| [05:39:37] | wagnerrp: | long split |
| [05:57:59] | kormoc: | t-12 hours till the move |
| [05:58:17] | ** kormoc sighs and looks around for more stuff to pack ** | |
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| [06:59:11] | hachi: | hey... uh |
| [06:59:29] | hachi: | on the files that mythtv records with, the four digits on the left are the channel id, right? |
| [06:59:34] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [06:59:43] | hachi: | and the leftmost is the recorder ID or something |
| [06:59:52] | hachi: | so like, 6180 is from encoder 6 I thought |
| [06:59:55] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:59:57] | kormoc: | nopers |
| [07:00:01] | ** wagnerrp considers reconnecting to the cool-people IRC server ** | |
| [07:00:02] | kormoc: | chanid 6180 |
| [07:00:15] | wagnerrp: | what do you think? this side just got abandoned? |
| [07:00:25] | hachi: | uhh |
| [07:00:29] | kormoc: | there's a lot on this side to be abandoned |
| [07:00:34] | kormoc: | likely just no sa's around |
| [07:00:42] | hachi: | oh... am I on the wrong network? |
| [07:00:49] | kormoc: | hachi: no, just a big netsplit |
| [07:00:50] | wagnerrp: | no, youre on freenode |
| [07:00:56] | wagnerrp: | but we split about an hour and a half ago |
| [07:01:01] | hachi: | oh |
| [07:01:10] | wagnerrp: | usually splits arent more than a few minutes at the most |
| [07:01:34] | wagnerrp: | now the amusing part is we dont have Beirdo, but we have his bot |
| [07:01:47] | kormoc: | he's znoozing anyway |
| [07:01:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [07:02:01] | kormoc: | which I should do |
| [07:02:06] | kormoc: | t-11 hours until the move |
| [07:02:21] | wagnerrp: | sleep? |
| [07:02:25] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [07:02:30] | wagnerrp: | how far is the move? |
| [07:02:37] | kormoc: | 8.6 miles south |
| [07:03:13] | wagnerrp: | thats not too bad |
| [07:03:14] | kormoc: | Moving from suburbia to urban |
| [07:03:14] | wagnerrp: | moving yourself? or did you get a truck? |
| [07:03:15] | kormoc: | I hired two guys to help, and they're bringing a truck |
| [07:03:23] | kormoc: | but I have a two hour window to do it all in |
| [07:04:11] | wagnerrp: | well even /bin/bb wouldnt work without libpam |
| [07:04:23] | wagnerrp: | i figured that was pretty statically linked |
| [07:04:31] | kormoc: | I just get stressed over moving |
| [07:04:33] | kormoc: | no matter how often I do it, it still sucks |
| [07:04:53] | wagnerrp: | so i booted off a different drive, copied an old version of libpam over |
| [07:05:00] | kormoc: | and the parrots are gonna freak |
| [07:05:15] | wagnerrp: | booted into bb, emerged sys-libs/pam back in |
| [07:05:21] | wagnerrp: | lets see if that fixes things |
| [07:05:27] | kormoc: | woah |
| [07:05:30] | kormoc: | major lag |
| [07:05:42] | kormoc: | bb should be 100% statically linked |
| [07:11:29] | wagnerrp: | now this is funky |
| [07:11:46] | wagnerrp: | bash is complaining 'setenv' doesnt exist... tcsh is complaining 'export' doesnt exist |
| [07:11:57] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [07:12:02] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if its time to scrap and restart |
| [07:14:15] | kormoc: | setenv is a bash built-in |
| [07:14:18] | kormoc: | how'd you lose libpam? |
| [07:14:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know... |
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| [07:14:35] | wagnerrp: | weee! |
| [07:14:44] | kormoc: | and there was life |
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| [07:14:55] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: a little late to be changing hosts |
| [07:15:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: I think if I was you, I'd to a emerge --empty-tree world |
| [07:15:14] | rushfan is now known as Guest66430 | |
| [07:15:20] | kormoc: | rebuild everything |
| [07:15:59] | wagnerrp: | cant emerge, profile.env is borked |
| [07:16:09] | wagnerrp: | cant fix profile.env because env-update is borked |
| [07:16:23] | wagnerrp: | it wont run because bash cant find setenv |
| [07:16:59] | wagnerrp: | because setenv isnt in bash, its in csh... and similarly export isnt in csh, its in bash |
| [07:17:23] | wagnerrp: | considering i have a spare hard drive available |
| [07:17:32] | wagnerrp: | im just going to do a fresh install to that |
| [07:17:42] | wagnerrp: | and then copy my configs/docs/files over |
| [07:18:02] | wagnerrp: | and consider this drive a lost cause |
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| [08:19:01] | ** wagnerrp beings the long build of 500+ packages ** | |
| [08:19:19] | wagnerrp: | s/beings/begins/ |
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| [10:06:43] | justinh: | holy !!!! Video the kodak zi8 produces is up to 1080P h.264 at about 16Mbits/sec |
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| [10:07:02] | justinh: | my core2 1.6 laptop is gonna struggle. LOL |
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| [10:29:19] | pheld: | where's a decent place to post video-samples? (Can't reach filebin.ca that is referenced from mythtv.pastebin.ca) |
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| [10:41:13] | pheld: | Does the internal player fall back to use software decoding if vdpau fails even if there is no defined playback profile other than vdpau? |
| [10:42:22] | pheld: | looks like nvidia's decoder has problems with one of my 9 HD channels |
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| [10:55:58] | k-man: | so my mythbox finaly died – i need a low cost backend that can do s-video out, any recommendations? |
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| [10:58:52] | justinh: | k-man: recent nvidia card with svideo output.. $$notmuch |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | finding a motherboard with enough pci slots for tuners could be tricky though |
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| [11:07:42] | Jay2k1: | i couldnt find any mobos with onboard s-video out anymore |
| [11:07:50] | Jay2k1: | only vga/dvi/hdmi/displayport |
| [11:09:13] | k-man: | justinh: i'm migrating to hdhr's – currently have 2 pci capture cards plus the hdhr |
| [11:09:14] | justinh: | so? it's not like a VGA card with svideo is expensive |
| [11:09:15] | Jay2k1: | either you buy a used pc/board or a cheap graphics card as justin said |
| [11:09:38] | k-man: | ill do the graphics card option i think |
| [11:10:05] | justinh: | plus for all Intel drivers are open source, they're pretty icky when it comes to stuff like being able to play video back without tearing etc |
| [11:10:33] | justinh: | yes, even on windows |
| [11:10:45] | Jay2k1: | my board has an nvidia chipset, fine with that |
| [11:11:25] | justinh: | pfft. today's Users' ML stupid question of the day award goes to "Is anyone doing MythTV in the UK? " |
| [11:11:57] | k-man: | heh |
| [11:12:52] | k-man: | i just bought 2 1tb drives for my mythbox too – *sigh* |
| [11:13:04] | k-man: | hadn't even installed them yet |
| [11:13:53] | justinh: | I really have to crack on with my backend hardware replacement soon |
| [11:14:05] | justinh: | bought the box, 2 1TB drives, new motherboard, CPU & RAM months ago |
| [11:14:09] | k-man: | justinh: yeah, don't wait till it dies like i did |
| [11:14:20] | k-man: | oh right |
| [11:14:30] | justinh: | but before I can even think about replacing the current backend I have to finish a theme I can use with 0.23 |
| [11:15:10] | justinh: | me being the funny bugger who needs a widescreen theme with nicely sized text, which doesn't need fanart etc AND will work at 720x576 (in widescreen) |
| [11:17:10] | k-man: | does ATI target a lower end market than NVIDIA? |
| [11:17:31] | justinh: | fwiw I wouldn't even entertain ATI |
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| [11:18:13] | justinh: | saying that more stuff works now than it used to, and that what works is better than nvidia when it does work... is all well & good. it's *still* bound down to that 'when it works' |
| [11:18:17] | k-man: | no, i wouldn't either |
| [11:18:28] | k-man: | just looking at some barebones pcs and they all seem to have ati though |
| [11:18:52] | justinh: | heh. I thought bottom dollar junk still used SiS et al ;-) |
| [11:19:09] | justinh: | motherboards with onboard flame buffer |
| [11:19:09] | k-man: | justinh: maybe it does... just the couple i looked at has ati |
| [11:19:38] | justinh: | AFAIK the lowest end cards both manufacturers make weigh in about the same price |
| [11:20:45] | k-man: | maybe i should get a zotac ion board? |
| [11:20:47] | justinh: | when I bought the stuff for the new backend the cheapest card I could get was a 512MB 8400 |
| [11:20:54] | k-man: | oh, they are expensive |
| [11:21:27] | justinh: | I wouldn't use ion for a backend box |
| [11:22:19] | justinh: | here we go. at my local computer shed, lowest cost card is a FX5200 AGP card |
| [11:22:30] | k-man: | ok – what would you look at on this list" http://www.enspiredigital.com.au/parts.list.p . . . r%20Hardware |
| [11:22:30] | justinh: | next up is the 8400GS, 256MB on PCIe |
| [11:22:47] | justinh: | I wouldn't consider anything ATOM based for a backend |
| [11:22:54] | k-man: | justinh: ok |
| [11:23:04] | k-man: | why? |
| [11:23:09] | justinh: | and I don't even do transcoding or commflagging |
| [11:23:24] | justinh: | because it's a puny CPU is why |
| [11:23:37] | k-man: | ah, ok |
| [11:23:46] | justinh: | it'll probably even struggle with mysql doing the big ugly scheduler query |
| [11:24:16] | k-man: | does myth run ok under 64bit linux? |
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| [11:24:29] | justinh: | should do, but AFAIK there's not much real benefit to be had |
| [11:25:04] | k-man: | how about this board? http://www.enspiredigital.com.au/parts.info.p . . . r%20Hardware |
| [11:25:13] | justinh: | mythtv won't be the issue either way. it'll be stuff you want to do outside mythtv like playing flash etc |
| [11:25:27] | justinh: | k-man: just get a desktop board. buying server boards is just silly |
| [11:26:03] | k-man: | justinh: err... isn't that board a desktop board? I did see server boards on that list but there are normal desktop boards too |
| [11:26:09] | justinh: | that link... it's a motherboard. so? |
| [11:26:18] | justinh: | motherboard == motherboard == motherboard.. generally |
| [11:26:37] | k-man: | ok – so it has the justinh seal of approval for a backend then? ;) |
| [11:26:49] | justinh: | I wouldn't buy it. only has 2 pci slots |
| [11:27:00] | justinh: | and it's for an AMD CPU |
| [11:27:13] | k-man: | amazing, it has a floppy drive connector |
| [11:27:26] | justinh: | jesus. why are they still bothering? |
| [11:27:26] | k-man: | i think 2 slots is enough for me... |
| [11:27:30] | k-man: | no idea |
| [11:27:40] | k-man: | floppies just won't die |
| [11:27:55] | justinh: | 3 slots is enough for me, but having 5 is better so it lets me space the tuners apart by a slot for better ventilation :) |
| [11:28:12] | k-man: | is amd no good? |
| [11:28:27] | k-man: | i have often had amd in the past |
| [11:28:42] | justinh: | I always used to buy AMD in the past too, I was a cheapskate |
| [11:28:48] | justinh: | I've always regretted it |
| [11:28:54] | k-man: | heh |
| [11:29:12] | justinh: | they're probably a lot better now but I don't care. I'm Intel now |
| [11:29:38] | justinh: | I was such a cheapskate I even bought a Cyrix chip once |
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| [11:31:19] | justinh: | is the GT220 the do-all VDPAU series? |
| [11:32:58] | justinh: | nevermind. by the time I come to buy a HDTV to attach to the backend in the cupboard under the stairs something way better will be along |
| [11:36:00] | justinh: | anyway I'd not buy the board in that link. it's all blurred |
| [11:40:38] | justinh: | hahaha way to ressurect a thread from 2003! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/26407 |
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| [13:03:03] | donEduardo: | hi. |
| [13:04:02] | donEduardo: | is it ok to ask mythbuntu-questions here? #ubuntu-mythbuntu seems not to be to active... |
| [13:12:48] | jams: | sure..but no guarantee of an answer |
| [13:14:01] | donEduardo: | :) |
| [13:14:02] | donEduardo: | ok |
| [13:14:23] | donEduardo: | to test, i did a fresh install of the 10.04 alpha of mythbuntu in a vm |
| [13:14:54] | donEduardo: | suddenly, i saw that all the movies with a non-ascii character did not show up in the MythVideo list.... |
| [13:15:22] | donEduardo: | so all the movies with umlauts, or even whole directories "Komödie" |
| [13:15:28] | donEduardo: | or japanese |
| [13:15:53] | oobe: | you probably need to set your locale to en-utf8 |
| [13:16:10] | donEduardo: | i had to add "LC_ALL=de_CH.utf8 LANG=de_CH.urf8" before the start command in /etc/conf/mythtv-backend |
| [13:16:17] | oobe: | oh wait misread your statement |
| [13:16:34] | donEduardo: | sorry! |
| [13:16:43] | donEduardo: | in /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf |
| [13:17:30] | oobe: | im not an expert with that stuff i spoke to soon im sure someone else here can answer though |
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| [13:17:58] | donEduardo: | but the strange thing is: "sudo su – mythtv -c locale" and "sudo su – -c locale" both return LCbalbla="de_CH.UTF-8".... |
| [13:18:29] | donEduardo: | oobe: tnx :) the point is, i fixed it... but i'm not quite sure if it's the correct way to fix it ;) |
| [13:20:14] | oobe: | donEduardo, adding "LC_ALL=de_CH.utf8 LANG=de_CH.urf8" into that conf just sets the locale for when its running the backend like a variable in a script but looks like you are specifying the locale you already are using |
| [13:20:44] | oobe: | so im assuming that one of the users does not have the right locale setup correctly |
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| [13:21:47] | oobe: | you could try su – mythtv |
| [13:21:58] | oobe: | then once you are user mythtv |
| [13:22:01] | oobe: | type bash |
| [13:22:06] | oobe: | then type locale |
| [13:22:19] | oobe: | that will make sure |
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| [13:33:35] | donEduardo: | oobe: yes. i even got the locale in the /etc/environment.... |
| [13:33:47] | justinh: | about time all locales just spoke English damnit |
| [13:34:09] | justinh: | you will be assimilated |
| [13:34:21] | donEduardo: | oobe: i suspect, that the locale is set too late during boot, after the backend is started |
| [13:35:09] | donEduardo: | with this new non-init.d startup thing, i dont see anymore when what is done.... :( |
| [13:35:37] | justinh: | doesn't that upstart thing have depend options so stuff can wait ? |
| [13:35:59] | donEduardo: | somehow.... i think i gotta find out where locale is set |
| [13:36:02] | justinh: | otherwise you're going to have problems where mythbackend possibly starts before networking, or mysql ... |
| [13:36:16] | oobe: | donEduardo, i wouldnt worry if you already have a functional work around |
| [13:36:49] | donEduardo: | oobe: yes, but maybe we can have this in 10.04 final, if we track it in time :) |
| [13:37:14] | donEduardo: | i think i gotta add the script where the locale is set to this line in /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf: |
| [13:37:43] | donEduardo: | start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=lo) |
| [13:38:51] | justinh: | not depending on mysql?! |
| [13:38:52] | justinh: | oof |
| [13:38:57] | justinh: | that's gonna hurt somebody |
| [13:39:33] | donEduardo: | as I said, i dont see atm how this all works... |
| [13:39:51] | donEduardo: | still looking for some script that builds me a dependencies-ree :) |
| [13:39:55] | donEduardo: | still looking for some script that builds me a dependencies-tree :) |
| [13:40:47] | bjd: | you better repeat that again |
| [13:40:56] | bjd: | i'm not sure people got it the first time round |
| [13:41:12] | oobe: | bjd, he said still looking for some script that builds me a dependencies-tree :) |
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| [13:41:55] | bjd: | ;) |
| [13:42:11] | donEduardo: | :) sorry |
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| [13:49:56] | justinh: | yeah well when you see them, tell them they need to depend on mysql too |
| [13:51:31] | donEduardo: | justinh: i will :) but first, i gotta make sure i got everything correct about this upstart thing |
| [13:54:35] | ** justinh makes a note to stop using ubuntu, stat ** | |
| [13:59:56] | donEduardo: | ok, the locale is really not set before mythtv-backend start |
| [14:00:08] | donEduardo: | i added a locale > /tmp/mythboot.log.... |
| [14:00:21] | donEduardo: | just before the start of mythtv-backend |
| [14:00:38] | donEduardo: | and LANG and LC_ALL is empty, all the rest is "POSIX" |
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| [14:07:28] | Beirdo: | if the mythtv packages aren't quire right for ubuntu, go talk to the mythbuntu folks... I'd like them to get all the details right for 0.23 (real soon now, whatever that means) |
| [14:08:41] | ** Beirdo sends a self-igniting bag of dog poop to whoever broke jaunty->karmic upgrades to not work at ALL with his radeon and X ** | |
| [14:12:58] | justinh: | we keep seeing folks having bother with mythbuntu here complaining they never get a reply in their own channel :-\ |
| [14:13:13] | justinh: | what's the point in having an IRC channel then? |
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| [14:16:16] | Daviey: | justinh: The problem is that there aren't enough people to answer the questions, and people tend to only wait 7 mins for an answer – rather than asking and waiting |
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| [14:17:07] | justinh: | ahh. just like in here then :) |
| [14:17:12] | justinh: | me want answer NOW! |
| [14:17:28] | justinh: | me waiting 15ps for answer in proper channel! |
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| [14:19:21] | justinh: | arghh bloody Apple. Now I know why I can't open .mov files in Sony Vegas... they've taken the authoring components out of the quicktime player making you go Pro just to open the files in anything but the crappy player :-\ |
| [14:20:01] | justinh: | hopefully I can 'fix' the issue with a one-line ffmpeg hack. I'll see when I get home |
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| [14:35:56] | justinh: | heh. Facebook may get 'KNEE JERK' button |
| [14:37:45] | jb_: | does anyone know if you can use the xml feeds with weather data from http://yr.no in myth? |
| [14:39:22] | justinh: | I do know |
| [14:39:34] | justinh: | what I know is.. unless there's a grabber script for it, you can't |
| [14:40:40] | jb_: | justinh, do you know where the main grabber scripts are what the file is called ? |
| [14:41:52] | justinh: | nope, but I'm pretty sure there's no grabber for that site |
| [14:43:23] | jb_: | no Im fairly sure to but maybe its possible to make one... yr.no are very good you can find almost any tiny town anywhere |
| [14:44:42] | justinh: | looks like only ca_envcan uk_bbc & us_nws |
| [14:46:04] | justinh: | see release-0-22-fixes/mythplugins/mythweather/mythweather/scripts |
| [14:46:23] | Beirdo: | would be nice to tap into weatherunderground |
| [14:46:42] | Beirdo: | being an INTERNATIONAL provider :) |
| [14:47:01] | Beirdo: | yeah yeah... you await my patches. |
| [14:47:46] | justinh: | 'local' weather forecasts are all well & good but it depends on the area covered by your local centre |
| [14:48:10] | Beirdo: | true |
| [14:48:11] | justinh: | where my parents live their nearest centre is Newcastle but it may aswell be a different planet |
| [14:48:12] | stuartm is now known as gbee | |
| [14:48:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:48:25] | justinh: | only 15 miles away |
| [14:48:44] | Beirdo: | tell them to buy a weather station and feed data to the correct people |
| [14:49:01] | Beirdo: | I know Environment Canada encourages it |
| [14:50:36] | justinh: | yeah but reason & logic have no place in the UK |
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| [14:50:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:51:01] | Beirdo: | at least yer British so you can get away with saying it :) |
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| [14:52:56] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [14:53:13] | jb_: | Im not sure how good the forecasts are for newcastle from the yr.no (Norwegian Meteorological Institute) but for my small home town in Sweden (population about 7000) is very good, go there and search and see if the forecast is any good |
| [14:53:20] | justinh: | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/473 . . . -Office.html |
| [14:54:14] | Beirdo: | jb_: I'm sure it's possible to add them as a source somehow. |
| [14:56:01] | justinh: | they might have an API |
| [14:56:08] | justinh: | if they do, use that :) |
| [14:56:22] | justinh: | if not, make sure any scraper code you write abides by the site's T&Cs |
| [14:56:33] | jb_: | Beirdo, thats too bad... Im not a too good programer ( well I suck at it ) but all there data is free to use and they have documents (in norweagan ) on some implementations and how you can extract data |
| [14:56:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [14:57:01] | Beirdo: | if you can get docs in English, I'm sure we could convince someone to do it |
| [14:57:04] | justinh: | I remember being asked before a while ago |
| [14:57:10] | justinh: | somebody said they were gonna have a go |
| [14:57:23] | ** Beirdo realizes that means he may have just volunteered. Crap! ** | |
| [14:57:26] | jb_: | ahh, cool |
| [14:57:35] | justinh: | it's not hard to export XML from perl or whatever |
| [14:57:39] | jb_: | :-) |
| [14:58:45] | Beirdo: | jb_: for now, if you can send an email to me with a link to the info, I'll see what we can do. |
| [14:58:59] | Beirdo: | gjhurlbu at gmail.com |
| [14:59:01] | jb_: | ok, one sec |
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| [15:00:51] | justinh: | oh neat. wunderground has webcams too |
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| [15:05:48] | jb_: | Beirdo, just sent the mail |
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| [15:20:39] | Beirdo: | jb_: thanks :) |
| [15:22:48] | jb_: | Beirdo, thank you for haveing a look at it |
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| [15:25:35] | Beirdo: | not a problem, I'll try to take a look this evening |
| [15:26:06] | jb_: | great |
| [15:30:45] | wagnerrp: | justinh: im going to guess something broke with the threading |
| [15:30:55] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [15:31:11] | wagnerrp: | the necrobump from 2003 |
| [15:31:17] | justinh: | ah |
| [15:31:34] | justinh: | IRC needs an 'in reply to' feature ;) |
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| [15:31:49] | justinh: | anyhoo.. hometime, then prepare to meet the dentalizer! |
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| [15:48:08] | jb_: | have to go now, see you all later, bye |
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| [16:00:54] | iamlindoro: | Udo's "troubleshooting" methodology makes me want to stab myself in the face |
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| [16:03:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: So, I'm waiting for the Mythicallibrarian guy to resurface on mythtvtalk to go nuts over his ticket being closed |
| [16:03:38] | jams: | iamlindoro- haven't you learned to ignore those emails |
| [16:04:00] | jams: | or do you read them for the entertainment value |
| [16:04:03] | iamlindoro: | jams: It's worse than that, I've unsubscribed from the list-- but keep ending up checking the archive for one reason or another |
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| [16:06:17] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [16:07:41] | Beirdo: | heheh. |
| [16:07:55] | Beirdo: | yr.no seems like a good source of weather data |
| [16:08:04] | Beirdo: | BUT, the TOS are in Norwegian only |
| [16:08:37] | Beirdo: | "We are afraid to get overloaded with traffic if we translate the guidelines and promote the free weather data service in English." |
| [16:08:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:09:34] | Beirdo: | so before finalizing any script I may make for this for mythweather, I will want someone to verify a translation of the TOS |
| [16:14:00] | pheld: | I've got a problem decoding a particular HD-channel with vdpau in mythtv (trunk). According to nvidia support it seems myth is trying an incorrect decoder profile (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=149058). Is it worth filing a bug for, or is it a known problem? |
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| [16:25:16] | pheld: | is there a good place to post sample video-clips for inclusion in tickets? |
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| [16:59:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i actually checked that out a couple months ago |
| [16:59:52] | wagnerrp: | best i could tell, they just wanted credit |
| [17:00:01] | wagnerrp: | meaning some text string displayed on screen |
| [17:00:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, and min 10 min caching, and not hitting it too hard |
| [17:00:36] | Beirdo: | but I'd want someone to validate the translation to be sure |
| [17:00:43] | wagnerrp: | that was the other thing |
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| [17:00:55] | wagnerrp: | it wasnt clear to me whether each client could hit once every 10 minutes |
| [17:01:03] | Beirdo: | it all looks doable. |
| [17:01:08] | wagnerrp: | or if you as a program could hit once every 10 minutes |
| [17:01:13] | Beirdo: | well, how else would they track? |
| [17:01:21] | Beirdo: | it would be per IP address, I'm sure |
| [17:01:49] | wagnerrp: | the (google tarnsamalate) wording was a bit odd |
| [17:02:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, for sure |
| [17:02:07] | Beirdo: | automangle |
| [17:02:28] | Beirdo: | which is why I'm interested in hearing what it actually is trying to say |
| [17:02:36] | Beirdo: | I think we should be good to go though |
| [17:02:47] | Beirdo: | assuming we can put in the credit text in the display |
| [17:02:50] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [17:03:05] | Beirdo: | heya, xris :) |
| [17:07:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I may do one for wunderground at some point too |
| [17:07:16] | Beirdo: | ideally, I'd like the hurricane maps in there :) |
| [17:07:40] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think you were planning to need those any more |
| [17:07:49] | Beirdo: | true :) |
| [17:07:57] | Beirdo: | but it'd be nice anyways |
| [17:07:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: We get.. stiff winds from time to time! |
| [17:08:14] | kormoc: | and if the east coast gets a snowicane, we can get a stiff-windicane |
| [17:08:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, there was a pretty nice breeze on Thursday when I was there |
| [17:08:57] | kormoc: | the nice breeze is why I need to go to the barber more often and skip the hat |
| [17:09:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:09:23] | Beirdo: | I bought a hat to warm my head up a touch |
| [17:09:26] | kormoc: | hats go flying a lot |
| [17:09:39] | Beirdo: | make it tighter :) |
| [17:09:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:09:47] | kormoc: | then I can't do math |
| [17:10:10] | Beirdo: | meh :) |
| [17:10:22] | Beirdo: | put a chin-strap on |
| [17:10:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:10:32] | Beirdo: | now that would look funny on a ball cap |
| [17:10:56] | kormoc: | extremely |
| [17:11:34] | Beirdo: | use a gilligan-whacking-style hat, and it doesn't look as retarded |
| [17:11:41] | Beirdo: | other than the hat itself of course |
| [17:12:11] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [17:12:23] | Beirdo: | I forget the name of those hats |
| [17:13:10] | kormoc: | well, the hat that kept wacking gilligan was the skipper's hat |
| [17:13:24] | kormoc: | http://www.jawbonepodcast.com/images/skipper.jpg |
| [17:13:27] | Beirdo: | yeah... |
| [17:13:59] | Beirdo: | blocked.... MP3 and Audio Download Services |
| [17:14:13] | Beirdo: | how I love Websense |
| [17:14:25] | kormoc: | Nacy Gob Cap is the one Gilligan wears |
| [17:14:36] | kormoc: | (or a bucket hat, I can't tell) |
| [17:15:09] | Beirdo: | Navy :) |
| [17:15:16] | Beirdo: | anyways, yeah |
| [17:15:32] | Beirdo: | a chin strap on a Croc Dundee-style hat works |
| [17:16:04] | Beirdo: | only looks mildly retarded |
| [17:16:06] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:16:47] | Beirdo: | obviously, not cinched up to yer chin... just dangling so it throttles you if the hat tries to fly |
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| [17:17:59] | kormoc: | "Man gets strangled to death by lame hat in downtown seattle today" |
| [17:18:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:18:16] | Beirdo: | I think I'd go with a Tilley Hat though |
| [17:19:13] | Beirdo: | other than ball cap :) |
| [17:20:33] | Beirdo: | good Canadian hat :) |
| [17:20:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [17:21:07] | Beirdo: | I lived right next to their #2 store in Toronto |
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| [17:21:48] | Beirdo: | ooh, sold at REI |
| [17:21:52] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [17:22:27] | wagnerrp: | what makes X slow to render text? is that lack of Xdamage? |
| [17:22:44] | wagnerrp: | no, ive got damage |
| [17:22:54] | kormoc: | what text? |
| [17:23:03] | wagnerrp: | terminal text, compiling |
| [17:23:04] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [17:23:11] | Beirdo: | "no, I've got damage" |
| [17:23:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:23:16] | Beirdo: | no comment |
| [17:23:23] | wagnerrp: | X uses a huge amount of processor when its got a compile log scrolling down a large window |
| [17:23:27] | Beirdo: | take that one outta context |
| [17:23:39] | kormoc: | huh |
| [17:23:41] | Beirdo: | yeah, X sucks at scrolling text, always has |
| [17:26:39] | wagnerrp: | ok, so its just my fault for still using a crap ass P3 |
| [17:26:58] | Beirdo: | heh, quite possibly. |
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| [17:40:57] | Beirdo: | wunderground seems doable |
| [17:41:55] | Beirdo: | don't modify the data or links or logo, credit by name, personal, non-commercial use only |
| [17:42:06] | Beirdo: | that would work for a PVR |
| [17:42:27] | Beirdo: | and no scraping required :) |
| [17:42:36] | Beirdo: | XML in, XML out |
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| [17:45:06] | squish102: | for those people that do not yet have an HDHomerun, newegg has them for $100 using code CDYG45 |
| [17:45:25] | wagnerrp: | so tempting... |
| [17:46:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:46:23] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [17:48:28] | squish102: | are there rumors that clear-qam is going away? |
| [17:49:31] | Beirdo: | yeah, you just started one :) |
| [17:50:16] | Beirdo: | beyond that, I dunno. Google? |
| [17:50:18] | wagnerrp: | comcast dropped their analog cable, and gave everyone these DTAs, which were a cheap $1/mo clearqam tuner |
| [17:50:40] | wagnerrp: | so everyone who had comcast could now tune their previous analog lineup with a digital tuner |
| [17:50:59] | squish102: | ok, it had something to do with comcast |
| [17:51:04] | wagnerrp: | now comcast got a waiver to turn on 'privacy mode', which is some very minimal encryption |
| [17:51:12] | squish102: | and i'm timewarner |
| [17:51:19] | wagnerrp: | and so that extended analog lineup is no longer available in the clear |
| [17:51:30] | wagnerrp: | and theyre back to the 'must carry' channels like everyone else |
| [17:55:59] | kormoc: | time to move! Laters |
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| [17:57:45] | Beirdo: | have a good move |
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| [18:02:50] | Mandingo-Laptop: | is the analog scanning fixed in myth yet ? |
| [18:02:58] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:03:05] | Mandingo-Laptop: | nice |
| [18:03:09] | wagnerrp: | why would you care? |
| [18:03:22] | Mandingo-Laptop: | cuz i use analog |
| [18:03:30] | wagnerrp: | but you dont scan analog channels |
| [18:03:34] | iamlindoro: | yes, but you use it n the US-- so you shouldn't be scanning anyway |
| [18:03:37] | wagnerrp: | its not a feature you would use |
| [18:03:55] | wagnerrp: | you should be grabbing a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [18:04:05] | Mandingo-Laptop: | that is fine |
| [18:04:15] | Mandingo-Laptop: | but wanted to know if it was fixed |
| [18:04:37] | Beirdo: | unless using it connected to a VCR to capture your old VHS recordings, perhaps :) |
| [18:04:48] | Beirdo: | scan to get channel 3. done. |
| [18:04:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:05:07] | wagnerrp: | one would hope youre using something better than RF for that |
| [18:05:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, one would hope :) |
| [18:05:24] | Mandingo-Laptop: | i have a hvr 1600 |
| [18:05:42] | Mandingo-Laptop: | wanted to no that i could still scan for basic cable on the analog thats it |
| [18:05:45] | Mandingo-Laptop: | know |
| [18:06:07] | wagnerrp: | but you shouldnt be scanning for analog anyway |
| [18:06:14] | wagnerrp: | so its moot |
| [18:06:23] | Mandingo-Laptop: | that was not the question |
| [18:06:39] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: wouldn't scanning for analog be useful in conjunction with SD, so you don't have to manually go through the SD lineup and weed out the channels you don't receive? |
| [18:06:41] | Beirdo: | some people like to do odd things :) |
| [18:06:43] | Dibblah: | Uhm... How many times is this going to go round in a loop? |
| [18:06:52] | wagnerrp: | but thats the correct answer |
| [18:07:07] | Dibblah: | Yes, it's fixed. Next. |
| [18:07:10] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: if SD lists channels you dont receive, you submit a ticket to SD to revise their lineup |
| [18:07:17] | Mandingo-Laptop: | Dibblah thanks you |
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| [18:07:34] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp already answered it.... |
| [18:07:56] | Mandingo-Laptop: | thanks |
| [18:07:58] | Mandingo-Laptop: | all |
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| [18:08:14] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yeah, but the SD lineups don't account for things like ala-carte pay channels. |
| [18:08:33] | Beirdo: | or funky apartment building cable plants |
| [18:08:42] | devinheitmueller: | For example, you wouldn't submit a SD ticket because HBO showed up in your SD lineup but you didn't receive the channel. |
| [18:08:57] | wagnerrp: | do those still even exist? |
| [18:09:05] | wagnerrp: | my cableco dropped analog premium channels years ago |
| [18:09:24] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, they still exist. |
| [18:09:33] | devinheitmueller: | They are being phased out though obviously to digital. |
| [18:09:35] | wagnerrp: | anyway, point taken |
| [18:09:37] | Beirdo: | probably not terribly common |
| [18:09:51] | devinheitmueller: | In smaller cable systems that haven't migrated to digital they are. |
| [18:09:54] | Beirdo: | but there's bound to be exceptions to every rule :) |
| [18:10:12] | devinheitmueller: | If by "exception" you mean 15–20% of the cable customers out there, then yes. |
| [18:10:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:10:39] | wagnerrp: | ive just always found it much easier to make that one click to disable stuff in my SD lineup, than messing with the mythtv channel manager |
| [18:10:46] | Beirdo: | it's like English... more exceptions than rules? |
| [18:10:56] | devinheitmueller: | Not everybody is on a "Cablevision" or "Time Warner". Many, many people are in smaller MVPDs. |
| [18:11:54] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [18:12:07] | Beirdo: | #7948 would be nice to have fixed in 0.23, no? |
| [18:12:28] | Beirdo: | I saw the same bug myself last week (RSS link busted in mythweb) |
| [18:13:11] | Beirdo: | I'll let kormoc deal with it if he has time after moving :) |
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| [18:13:54] | wagnerrp: | i think kormoc said he was going to rewrite that whole chunk |
| [18:14:08] | Beirdo: | ahh, but before or after 0.23? |
| [18:14:19] | wagnerrp: | probably for 0.24 |
| [18:14:39] | iamlindoro: | He did seem not to want to apply that patch, though, he mentioned it yesterday |
| [18:14:43] | Beirdo: | if it's a simple fix in the meantime, maybe the patch should get put in until then (reduce the borkage of 0.23 a touch) |
| [18:14:46] | Beirdo: | K |
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| [18:14:57] | Beirdo: | I'll defer to his wisdom :) |
| [18:15:08] | Beirdo: | and will point complainers to him after the release :) |
| [18:15:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:15:16] | iamlindoro: | I'm php-tarded so can't tell you why that was, though |
| [18:15:28] | devinheitmueller: | "php-tarted". I like that. :-) |
| [18:15:36] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:15:44] | Beirdo: | I'm mostly python-tarded right now |
| [18:16:10] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: yeah, but "python-tarted" doesn't have that same ring to it. |
| [18:16:21] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't :) |
| [18:17:00] | devinheitmueller: | Another five bucks into my LinuxTV support fund! Wohoo! |
| [18:17:05] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:17:17] | devinheitmueller: | At this rate I'll be able to afford that steak dinner in no time! |
| [18:17:26] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, I'm a vegetarian. Nevermind. |
| [18:17:27] | Beirdo: | I'll talk to him later about it, but I'd think the first half of the patch in 8195 should be good |
| [18:17:56] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [18:17:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:18:02] | Beirdo: | mmmm, steak |
| [18:18:11] | devinheitmueller: | mmmm, steak. |
| [18:18:11] | ** Beirdo is an omnivore ** | |
| [18:18:14] | wagnerrp: | i think youre already there for Golden Slop Bucke^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HCorral |
| [18:19:54] | pheld: | Is there an alternative to filebin.ca for posting bug-related video-clips? |
| [18:20:20] | Beirdo: | not that I know of off-hand, but I'm sure there are others |
| [18:20:46] | Beirdo: | thanks for the yr.no info, BTW |
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| [18:20:53] | clever: | i sometimes use sendthisfile.com |
| [18:20:59] | pheld: | filebin.ca is unreacable from here so I'll use megaupload (yuck) instead |
| [18:21:15] | Beirdo: | you could likely even use dropbox or the like |
| [18:21:25] | pheld: | Beidro: you're welcome. Let me know if there are questions. |
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| [18:26:43] | clever: | mythbacendend crashes once again, this time it deadlocks mysql |
| [18:27:12] | Beirdo: | well, go read how to do a bug report, and have at it :) |
| [18:27:27] | clever: | i'm checking my backend log to see what exactly it did |
| [18:27:39] | clever: | it looks to be doing a lock tables; and then forgeting to clear it |
| [18:28:50] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: can we just close #7503 sometime? |
| [18:29:09] | Beirdo: | SELinux says how to "fix" the issue anyways... |
| [18:29:25] | Beirdo: | or just don't use SELinux :) |
| [18:29:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:29:57] | Beirdo: | or were we planning on fixing it for good with some lib changes? |
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| [18:32:24] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: I think it should just be closed |
| [18:32:26] | clever: | it doesnt recover until i kill the right mysl connection, and by then the scheduling is screwed up |
| [18:32:29] | iamlindoro: | especially since we don't own the library |
| [18:32:38] | iamlindoro: | it's upstream, take it up with them (IMO) |
| [18:33:11] | Beirdo: | well, for mythtv, we can just say "use the workaround or don't use SELinux, it's not our bug" and close, no? |
| [18:33:23] | Beirdo: | that was my thinking anyways |
| [18:33:23] | iamlindoro: | seems reasonable to me |
| [18:33:37] | wide: | I've been off the mythtv mailing list for about 4 months, what's the difference between the hdhomerun and the hdhr-tech, the latter offering multicast and possibly other benefits? The hdhr will cost me $100, the hdhr-tech $300, for mythtv, what is my best entry level option? |
| [18:34:16] | iamlindoro: | the -tech version is intended for headends, not consumer use |
| [18:34:33] | iamlindoro: | ie there's no conceivable reason why you would want it for Myth |
| [18:34:39] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to use it with mythtv, the standard version is all you need/want |
| [18:34:50] | wide: | iamlindoro, and others, ok, great, thanks! |
| [18:35:13] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:35:15] | clever: | sounds like the kind of thing that would replace mythbackend, stream the channel to every computer in the network |
| [18:35:34] | wagnerrp: | except it would only be live, no DVR capacity |
| [18:35:40] | clever: | yeah |
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| [18:39:33] | Ezun: | first time on this channel |
| [18:39:43] | Ezun: | very short term user of Mythtv |
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| [18:40:31] | Ezun: | I'm really challenged with setting up my remote |
| [18:40:44] | Ezun: | anyone feel comfortable with setting one up? |
| [18:42:12] | Ezun: | ok, so let's start with a very basic question |
| [18:42:19] | Ezun: | before we dig into the remotes thing |
| [18:42:52] | Ezun: | does anyone have a recommendation on MythBuntu vs. compiling Mythtv myself? |
| [18:43:15] | Ezun: | I've set it up twice with MythBuntu and it seems to be pretty solid |
| [18:43:28] | sphery: | If you want a nice, working DVR to use to watch TV, I recommend Mythbuntu. |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | if youre not familiar with mythtv, you probably shouldnt do it from source |
| [18:43:43] | sphery: | If you want a hobby to keep you busy /instead/ of watching TV, I recommend compiling MythTV yourself |
| [18:43:47] | wagnerrp: | if youre not familiar with linux in general, mythbuntu is probably your best bet |
| [18:43:50] | dmb: | someone give me some more over the air atsc channels :( |
| [18:43:57] | dmb: | i only get MBC |
| [18:44:04] | dmb: | which is in another language |
| [18:44:13] | ** wagnerrp suggests a bigger antenna ** | |
| [18:44:23] | sphery: | or a higher antenna |
| [18:44:24] | Ezun: | Thanks Sphery – just learning both, so I'll stick with Mythbuntu |
| [18:44:25] | ** J-e-f-f-A does too ** | |
| [18:44:28] | sphery: | or a directional one |
| [18:44:32] | sphery: | or both |
| [18:44:37] | sphery: | (all three) |
| [18:44:53] | dmb: | heh |
| [18:45:10] | dmb: | i feel like back in analog world, i was able to get more |
| [18:45:33] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [18:45:47] | ** Beirdo closes a simple mythweb buglet ** | |
| [18:45:52] | wagnerrp: | very possible, they drastically reduced broadcast power for digital stations |
| [18:45:56] | sphery: | Could set up a huge antenna on a 200-ft tower. To get your neighbors on board, you can promise to link them into the cable. Then, you can start to sell subscriptions to the service and allow others to link into the cable. |
| [18:46:13] | sphery: | Then you've created your own 1980 cable company! |
| [18:46:23] | wagnerrp: | get enough and maybe you could start buying up satellite subscriptions |
| [18:46:28] | sphery: | I was able to get nothing in analog |
| [18:46:33] | sphery: | in digital, I get everything |
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| [18:46:39] | Beirdo: | now you can encrypt the signal and become Comcast |
| [18:46:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:46:58] | Ezun: | I get quite a bit with digital. Took a lot of time to find the right location for the attena |
| [18:47:22] | Ezun: | antena |
| [18:47:47] | Ezun: | antenna – wow, need to learn how to spell |
| [18:47:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ezun: I take it you didn't know about antennaweb.org or tvfool.com ? |
| [18:47:54] | sphery: | yeah, I have mine in my attic--which was a royal pain when I was installing it (and when I had to move it because a contractor installed a big metal tube right through it that killed reception)--but it's nice that I don't have to replace it after every tropical storm/hurricane. |
| [18:48:09] | Ezun: | J-e-f-f-A. |
| [18:48:25] | Ezun: | That's exactly what I used, got the recommended type of antenna, then just had to find the right location |
| [18:48:30] | Ezun: | once I found that, great reception. |
| [18:48:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, ok . ;-) |
| [18:48:44] | Ezun: | positioning I knew from antennaweb.org |
| [18:48:50] | Ezun: | great resource |
| [18:49:06] | Ezun: | I didn't know about tvfool, same as atennaweb? |
| [18:49:14] | sphery: | more detailed |
| [18:49:54] | Ezun: | just looked, nice site. |
| [18:50:23] | Ezun: | This is a nice chat, I need to get back here more often |
| [18:50:36] | Ezun: | gotta run – that damn work thing... |
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| [18:54:36] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [18:54:49] | sphery: | humbug? |
| [18:54:58] | Beirdo: | #7899 is reporting something for 0.22-fixes that has been fixed in trunk. |
| [18:55:04] | Beirdo: | should I mark it a dupe? |
| [18:55:12] | sphery: | yeah, or closed/fixed |
| [18:55:17] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [18:55:38] | Beirdo: | jsut cherry-picking some obvious dumb things to clean up the list some |
| [18:55:46] | sphery: | very nice |
| [18:55:56] | sphery: | I like the patch name |
| [18:56:22] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:56:24] | iamlindoro: | Ah, I miss him |
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| [18:56:29] | iamlindoro: | except for not |
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| [18:57:44] | wagnerrp: | that was even fixed long before the ticket was submitted |
| [18:58:01] | Beirdo: | yup. but not on the branch, I bet |
| [18:58:11] | wagnerrp: | may as well set the milestone |
| [18:58:16] | Beirdo: | as the branch will be irrelevant soon... |
| [18:58:50] | Beirdo: | done :) |
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| [18:59:29] | Beirdo: | haha. #8014. Nice description. |
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| [19:00:08] | iamlindoro: | Mmmmm, Best Buy offering an install deal on a 3D display that includes "syncing your glasses" with 2x passive glasses |
| [19:00:20] | sphery: | I love when they paste "If you choose to submit a bug report, please make sure to include a brief description of what you were doing, along with the following backtrace as an attachment (please don't paste the whole thing into the ticket)." into the ticket |
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| [19:00:38] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [19:00:49] | Beirdo: | reclassified that turd as MythWeb |
| [19:00:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and then they paste the whole thing into the ticket? |
| [19:01:08] | sphery: | commfree usage was fixed about 2M years ago... |
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| [19:01:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah |
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| [19:01:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, well, someone with the details can close it :) heh |
| [19:02:02] | Beirdo: | "unknown" version |
| [19:02:05] | Beirdo: | sheesh |
| [19:02:10] | ** sphery thinks it's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5195 ** | |
| [19:02:47] | wagnerrp: | what is this /mythweb/objects/DatabaseQuery/mysql.php? |
| [19:02:54] | wagnerrp: | mythweb has no such file |
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| [19:03:19] | wagnerrp: | is that some ancient version? |
| [19:03:28] | Beirdo: | it must be |
| [19:03:34] | Beirdo: | fixed 22 months ago |
| [19:03:37] | Beirdo: | dang. |
| [19:03:37] | sphery: | I think the pre-released 0.22 had some object stuff in it that kormoc accidentally committed |
| [19:03:44] | wagnerrp: | and who runs a web server out of /usr/share? |
| [19:03:48] | Beirdo: | by sphery in fact :) |
| [19:03:58] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:04:08] | sphery: | there's a reason I knew it was fixed :) |
| [19:04:27] | sphery: | I'll close that one as invalid |
| [19:04:38] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure it's a non-bug due to a different bug |
| [19:04:48] | Beirdo: | You got it :) |
| [19:05:09] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, it cant possibly be a bug because the code no longer exists |
| [19:05:12] | Beirdo: | put a pointer to #5195 if ya want (just in case), but the person should upgrade |
| [19:05:49] | Beirdo: | and read instructions... and put in a more useful ticket description |
| [19:05:54] | Beirdo: | but let's not quibble |
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| [19:07:02] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:07:15] | sphery: | I'm now leaning back toward "using a dead version" |
| [19:07:34] | sceo: | I just did a fresh install of mythbuntu... on my old install I was able to tell the music browser to just use my file system instead of browsing through the id3 tags... I can't find a setting for it now?? |
| [19:07:56] | wagnerrp: | mythmusic has such an ability? |
| [19:08:11] | wagnerrp: | i thought it only ever worked off the database |
| [19:08:54] | sphery: | ah, this was the "oops" on the objects I remembered: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4656 |
| [19:08:58] | sphery: | not the same |
| [19:10:22] | iamlindoro: | If only the .23 tickets could get this kind of attention ;) |
| [19:10:23] | sceo: | wagnerrp yeah I know I had it on .22 – when I finally found the setting i was THRILLED (i'm good with organizing, not so good with tagging) |
| [19:11:35] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I'll likely sweep through them for bogons too :) |
| [19:11:39] | Beirdo: | it's a slow day |
| [19:11:51] | iamlindoro: | .23 tickets are actually pretty lean now |
| [19:11:57] | iamlindoro: | there's not much to be done besides fix 'em |
| [19:12:15] | wagnerrp: | by 'fresh', you mean you installed mythbuntu, and then you updated to the latest versions of everything? |
| [19:12:16] | Beirdo: | and make sure people don't assign milestones when they shouldn't :) |
| [19:12:34] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu 9.10 has a pre-release version of mythtv |
| [19:12:47] | sphery: | and most of the people who can fix them seem to be busy |
| [19:12:55] | sceo: | wagnerrp latest from repo's anyway... like I installed mythbuntu on a brand new hard drive, then have been running the standard updates as I'm notified |
| [19:13:13] | sphery: | (though, IMHO, we should cut an RC, anyway--what we have now, even if it does have bugs, likely has far fewer bugs than 0.22) |
| [19:13:15] | sceo: | wagnerrp I wonder then if that's why it's missing? |
| [19:13:47] | wagnerrp: | no, just that the version of mythtv in mythbuntu 9.10 release is buggy |
| [19:13:57] | sceo: | wagnerrp gotcha |
| [19:14:02] | wagnerrp: | its post-freeze, so there are no new/missing features |
| [19:14:09] | sceo: | wagnerrp it's been running pretty darn well for me, I must admit :) |
| [19:14:17] | sphery: | yes, definitely update the 0.22-prerelease in Mythbuntu |
| [19:14:27] | sphery: | there are a /lot/ of issues in that version |
| [19:14:36] | sphery: | (even if you don't notice them) |
| [19:14:54] | Beirdo: | #8122 is ... not a myth bug |
| [19:15:14] | sphery: | Beirdo is a master of ticket handling... He's like iamlindoro's long-lost twin. |
| [19:15:16] | Beirdo: | growisofs giving write errors.. |
| [19:15:29] | ** iamlindoro is just happy to have someone else take the heat for once ;) ** | |
| [19:15:35] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:15:37] | sphery: | but "MythTV should be able to write it, anyway" |
| [19:15:40] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the one kept in the basement, and fed fish heads? |
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| [19:16:28] | cipher42: | any idea what prebuffering pause is? |
| [19:16:52] | sphery: | cipher42: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [19:16:55] | cipher42: | i keep getting them on a certain channel |
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| [19:17:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Quick draw McGraw! |
| [19:17:30] | iamlindoro: | The generic your $thing is too slow for $content for $reason |
| [19:18:17] | sphery: | exactly |
| [19:18:25] | cipher42: | never had a problem before |
| [19:18:34] | cipher42: | even in 1080 |
| [19:18:36] | sphery: | where thing could be CPU/disk/sound card/video card/network/... |
| [19:18:53] | iamlindoro: | Not having ever had a problem is not a safeguard against ever having a problem |
| [19:18:54] | sceo: | cipher42 I got them particularly when using a remote frontend over wireless... (/me prepares for the beatings) |
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| [19:19:16] | iamlindoro: | useless to speculate with specifics, read and test each item on the wiki page |
| [19:19:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... or could even be a switch going bad. |
| [19:19:22] | cipher42: | seems like i only get them on one channel |
| [19:19:26] | iamlindoro: | a prebufferring pause can occur for dozens of reasons |
| [19:19:28] | sphery: | sceo: the prebuffering pauses are punishment enough for using wireless |
| [19:19:40] | sceo: | O:-) |
| [19:19:41] | iamlindoro: | cipher42: Again, that doesn't matter |
| [19:19:53] | sphery: | cipher42: so figure out what's different about that channel and it will get you that much closer to figuring out exactly what the problem is |
| [19:19:56] | cipher42: | nm, getting them all over the place |
| [19:19:58] | iamlindoro: | each channel will be encoded differently by its originator, so having an issue on one channel is perfectly reasonable |
| [19:20:06] | sphery: | i.e. bitrate, CODEC, resolution, interlaced/progressive, ... |
| [19:20:13] | cipher42: | but i never used to get them, even with 1080 |
| [19:20:20] | iamlindoro: | does |
| [19:20:21] | iamlindoro: | not |
| [19:20:21] | iamlindoro: | matter |
| [19:20:26] | sphery: | or audio type or signal strength/quality or ... |
| [19:20:57] | sphery: | or, nm, you're getting them all over the place |
| [19:20:59] | iamlindoro: | if someone flipped $randomswitch at your signal provider, and you were right on the cusp, you could start seeing them |
| [19:21:31] | sceo: | turns out I was wrong, I am definitely not on .23 – I am on 0.22.0+fixes2259 (<- ubuntu version, obv.) |
| [19:21:37] | sphery: | I told them they should put $randomswitch behind a metal push guard, but did they listen to me? No, of course not. |
| [19:21:43] | sphery: | Who's laughing now? |
| [19:21:51] | iamlindoro: | the hardware vendors |
| [19:21:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A is laughing! ** | |
| [19:22:07] | cipher42: | so it's frontend thing probably right? |
| [19:22:11] | sphery: | sceo: no one is on 0.23... There's no such thing |
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| [19:22:17] | iamlindoro: | no way to speculate |
| [19:22:24] | sphery: | (to the chagrin of many a person) |
| [19:22:32] | iamlindoro: | go to the wiki page and troubleshoot by reading it carefully... please |
| [19:22:41] | iamlindoro: | any speculation on anyone's part is useless |
| [19:22:43] | cipher42: | ok thanks |
| [19:22:47] | sphery: | cipher42: there's a reason that wiki page says there's no way to tell :) |
| [19:23:00] | sceo: | sphrey; well I'm sure it will be AWESOME. Anyway... so am I completely drunk or is there a way for mythmusic to use file system as the browser instead? |
| [19:23:02] | cipher42: | seems like this happened when i when to .20 kernal |
| [19:23:14] | cipher42: | 2.6.31–20 |
| [19:23:45] | ** sphery goes to fix his stupid Firefox history ** | |
| [19:24:09] | sphery: | Prebuffering pauses are a generic symptom that results from any of a number of problems or misconfigurations of a MythTV system. Because there are a multitude of causes, the first step in fixing prebuffering pauses is to identify the cause of the pauses. Unfortunately, because the symptom of all these problems is identical, the only way to identify the cause is to recognize a misconfiguration--either by recognizing a similar ... |
| [19:24:15] | sphery: | ... configuration in a description of a misconfigured system or through a trial and error approach of making configuration changes and observing their effects on video playback. As the former approach is much easier, this page attempts to describe several known misconfigurations to make it easier to diagnose prebuffering pauses. |
| [19:26:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:27:01] | Beirdo: | OK, this one's likely not a bogon. |
| [19:27:07] | Beirdo: | #8158. :) |
| [19:27:11] | Beirdo: | next |
| [19:27:39] | sphery: | I don't know. That guy reports a lot of invalid tickets, IIRC. |
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| [19:27:53] | sphery: | Beirdo: just delete your DB and find out. :) |
| [19:27:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:27:59] | Beirdo: | ummm, no yhsnkd |
| [19:28:04] | Beirdo: | thanks even |
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| [19:28:06] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [19:28:16] | sphery: | (It's really my attempt at developer-DOS) |
| [19:28:38] | sphery: | It's kind of the "Please do bad things to your own system" type of virus. |
| [19:28:59] | Beirdo: | gah! |
| [19:29:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: until yesterday, that could just be done by repeatedly hitting refresh on trac |
| [19:29:09] | Beirdo: | #4400 – integrating gallery2?! |
| [19:29:23] | sphery: | ah, The 4400 |
| [19:29:30] | Beirdo: | OY, that's gotta be some patch. |
| [19:29:38] | sphery: | Too bad the ticket wasn't as short-lived as the show. |
| [19:29:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:29:56] | Beirdo: | created 2 years ago |
| [19:30:03] | Beirdo: | and ignored ever since :) |
| [19:30:20] | Beirdo: | who's mythgallery god anyways? |
| [19:30:21] | iamlindoro: | I had some designs on doing some basic improvement of MythGallery for .24 |
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| [19:30:30] | iamlindoro: | ah, but that's not me saying it's me ;) |
| [19:30:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:30:40] | wagnerrp: | this is for mythweb, not the plugin |
| [19:30:46] | iamlindoro: | Was thinking it might be a nice idea to allow maintenance of MythVideo images from within mythgallery |
| [19:30:57] | ** Beirdo resists the urge to re-assign to iamlindoro ** | |
| [19:30:59] | wagnerrp: | which unless youre planning on picking up php, and reducing your tard-ness.... |
| [19:31:00] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [19:31:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: but he asked who was responsible for MythGallery |
| [19:31:09] | sphery: | Beirdo / iamlindoro : http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2923 ??? |
| [19:31:18] | sphery: | dup of #4400 or v/v? |
| [19:31:22] | Beirdo: | no, it's actually in mythgallery using the API |
| [19:31:39] | wagnerrp: | not a duplicate, just a different rewrite |
| [19:31:59] | iamlindoro: | anyway, thought was to convert MythGallery to use SGs (probably an hour of work) and then allow a toggle to show the other SGs so that one could remove stale images, etc. |
| [19:31:59] | Beirdo: | 2923 is for mythweb, 4400 is for the mythgallery plugin |
| [19:32:08] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [19:32:14] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [19:32:37] | sphery: | so 4400 is iamlindoro's but 2923 is kormoc's |
| [19:32:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, 4400 is actually the plugin? |
| [19:32:38] | Beirdo: | 2923 has been successfully ignored for 3 years. |
| [19:32:40] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [19:32:42] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:32:49] | Beirdo: | it seems so, wagnerrp |
| [19:32:50] | ** iamlindoro hisses at sphery ** | |
| [19:33:01] | wagnerrp: | they just rewrote it to open up a rendered webpage? |
| [19:33:09] | sphery: | Oh, now he wants to do Python stuff |
| [19:33:22] | Beirdo: | no, it's seeming to use the API (whatever it is) |
| [19:33:39] | Beirdo: | fryfrog could likely elucidate that (IIRC) |
| [19:33:54] | sphery: | OK, so http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2301 . Dup of 2923? |
| [19:33:56] | Beirdo: | Gallery Remote Protocol |
| [19:34:54] | wagnerrp: | so i dont understand at all what 4400 is doing |
| [19:34:59] | Beirdo: | sphery: seems to be strongly related, yes. Different implementations of the same thing |
| [19:35:10] | wagnerrp: | is there some unprovided apache application that you need to run? |
| [19:35:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe that's why the show got cancelled |
| [19:35:20] | wagnerrp: | does this interface with some remote web server? |
| [19:35:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: it's allowing mythgallery to remotely access the gallery from a website elsewhere |
| [19:35:30] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [19:35:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think it's http://gallery.menalto.com/ |
| [19:35:52] | wagnerrp: | but does it use it on their site? or do you download the application and run it on your own apache server? |
| [19:35:55] | Beirdo: | which could be interesting |
| [19:36:03] | Beirdo: | you run gallery2 on your own server |
| [19:36:03] | cipher42: | i also get this WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [19:36:15] | sphery: | they're coming out with a Gallery 3.0 RC1, so we should really close it as "please update to 3.0 API if you still want this in MythTV" |
| [19:36:18] | Beirdo: | I have it running on my linode |
| [19:36:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:36:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, could do |
| [19:36:59] | sphery: | I could do it more tactfully... |
| [19:37:14] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you want 4400, or should we let Chutt ignore it longer? :) |
| [19:37:25] | iamlindoro: | any tactful modification would require agreeing to look at it when it's updated :) |
| [19:37:39] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: I'm really not the MG guy :) |
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| [19:37:43] | sphery: | heh, I can't do that |
| [19:37:46] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [19:37:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:37:52] | Beirdo: | not yet, anyways |
| [19:37:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:38:07] | sphery: | once he decides the UI is bad and gets to work on it, he'll become the guy |
| [19:38:10] | iamlindoro: | I was just considering doing a teensy bit of work on it to fix some issues, but I'm taking on plugin responsibilities a lot lately, and now I've got MythGame to worry about :) |
| [19:38:21] | sphery: | like he has for MythVideo, and (now is becoming the guy for) MythGame |
| [19:38:38] | iamlindoro: | and MythNetvision for obvious reasons |
| [19:38:55] | Beirdo: | Well, let's let it rot for now. I'm sure someone might pick it up |
| [19:39:00] | sphery: | Please make sure you refer to iamlindoro as Greg when he's working on MythGame stuff... |
| [19:39:13] | Beirdo: | as in the bunny? |
| [19:39:20] | iamlindoro: | as in th estabrooks :) |
| [19:39:23] | Beirdo: | ahh. |
| [19:39:27] | ** Beirdo pokes GreyFoxx ** | |
| [19:39:34] | sphery: | Beirdo: 2yrs of empirical evidence suggests you may be wrong about someone picking it up :) |
| [19:39:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know. |
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| [19:39:52] | wagnerrp: | well he did say 'might' |
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| [19:39:57] | Beirdo: | but I might get interested enough at some point... |
| [19:40:02] | sphery: | nice |
| [19:40:04] | wagnerrp: | lends that extra bit of conviction to his statement |
| [19:40:05] | iamlindoro: | I gave about five minutes of thought to hooking it in to Flickr |
| [19:40:07] | Beirdo: | depends how much beer I consume, I bet |
| [19:40:18] | sphery: | you definitely have more motivation than I do--you actually run Gallery 2 |
| [19:40:27] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [19:40:28] | iamlindoro: | but if I do it, I'm doing it with a lib, not writing my own flickr API implementation for no reason |
| [19:40:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, no kidding |
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| [19:40:46] | Beirdo: | same for picasa |
| [19:41:01] | sphery: | ah, picasa |
| [19:41:05] | Beirdo: | pick- oh never mind |
| [19:42:23] | Beirdo: | #5215 sound like a candidate for wikification |
| [19:42:53] | Beirdo: | references MajorIdiot? :) |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | nice nick |
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| [19:44:40] | Beirdo: | sphery: for ones getting punted to the wiki for contrib: invalid or wontfix? whacha been using? |
| [19:46:13] | cipher42: | vdpau slim seems to have fixed my buffering issues |
| [19:47:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: I've been using wontfix |
| [19:47:12] | sphery: | which one are you looking at? |
| [19:47:19] | Beirdo: | 5215 |
| [19:47:36] | Beirdo: | it's C though. But still |
| [19:47:41] | sphery: | I'd like to move all the channel changers to the wiki |
| [19:48:02] | Beirdo: | if someone else wants to maintain em, they are welcome to it |
| [19:48:04] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:48:08] | sphery: | we now have http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7671 |
| [19:48:28] | sphery: | which is yet another new (and different from the existing) Scientific Atlanta channel changer |
| [19:48:34] | wagnerrp: | can you easily attach code to the wiki? rather than pasting it in as raw text on the page itself |
| [19:48:36] | sphery: | this one using the same code that's built into myth |
| [19:48:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you could link to google code or sourceforge quite easily :) |
| [19:49:22] | Beirdo: | Maybe we could setup a google code repo for the changers |
| [19:49:32] | Beirdo: | or for contrib |
| [19:49:42] | Beirdo: | so we have version control, but not "official" |
| [19:49:43] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:50:15] | Beirdo: | dunno if that helps at all thoguh |
| [19:50:43] | sphery: | seems upload file only allows png gif, jpeg, and (the other) jpg |
| [19:51:10] | Beirdo: | K |
| [19:51:27] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Upload |
| [19:51:33] | Beirdo: | I'd be fine with starting a google code or github (just to confuse people) repo |
| [19:52:04] | sphery: | I should probably verify that other devs agree with me about the whole "adding random things to contrib is more trouble than it's worth" thing |
| [19:52:18] | Beirdo: | with the obvious caveat that I will NOT really maintain your scripts. |
| [19:52:42] | sphery: | I haven't really attempted to get buy-in, even in #mythtv, to my position |
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| [19:52:49] | Beirdo: | I'm with you |
| [19:53:00] | sphery: | the ones I've closed so far, though, were hacks |
| [19:53:06] | Beirdo: | it should be somewhere, perhaps, but in the official repo causes support issues |
| [19:53:50] | sphery: | hmmm... OK, well http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8170#comment:3 says I'm wrong |
| [19:53:56] | sphery: | "I don't think you understand. This is not a hack." |
| [19:54:03] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:54:13] | sphery: | (though, to be fair, I /never/ called his a hack until just now.) |
| [19:54:31] | Beirdo: | heck, even that abomination can sit on an off-site repo for all I care |
| [19:54:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:54:47] | sphery: | just not in mythtv's tree |
| [19:54:53] | Beirdo: | but I don't want to have to deal with tickets for it :) |
| [19:55:01] | sphery: | when it goes in the tree--in contrib or elsewhere--users expect us to maintain it |
| [19:55:07] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [19:55:31] | sphery: | which is why myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and myth_find_orphans.pl are bitrotting scripts that actually break things in users' db's |
| [19:55:31] | Beirdo: | even if some devs are running it off-tree, we can take away that expectation, mostly |
| [19:55:41] | sphery: | because we don't hve the time or motivation to fix them |
| [19:55:45] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:55:53] | sphery: | (I'd rather spend the time it would take to fix them to just do it right) |
| [19:55:59] | sphery: | i.e. in mythfrontend/mythbackend |
| [19:56:26] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:56:31] | sphery: | and since iamlindoro is promising that I'll be committing that code shortly after 0.23 is released, I guess I'll have to :) |
| [19:56:43] | sphery: | (that code = those 2 scripts done right :) |
| [19:57:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [20:01:18] | cipher42: | is there anyway to make my hdpvr default to composite instead of component input after reboot? |
| [20:03:30] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt default to anything |
| [20:03:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should see those as two separate inputs |
| [20:03:43] | wagnerrp: | and should switch between them as needed |
| [20:04:58] | abqjp: | I need to double check, but I don't believe myth has control over which video input is used on the HD-PVR. The HD-PVR auto selects whichever input it sees video on. |
| [20:05:23] | cipher42: | it always selects composite in the backend for some reason |
| [20:05:41] | cipher42: | under "capture card" |
| [20:11:01] | abqjp: | cipher42: you mean when you run mythtv-setup? |
| [20:11:17] | cipher42: | right |
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| [20:11:54] | abqjp: | And if you change it to component, it does not save it? |
| [20:12:07] | cipher42: | it does until i reboot |
| [20:12:16] | cipher42: | actually i change it to composite |
| [20:12:26] | cipher42: | but on reboot it's component again |
| [20:12:57] | abqjp: | Why would you want it to be composite? Kinda defeats the purpose of the HD-PVR to use anything but the component input. |
| [20:14:13] | Beirdo: | because he does? :) |
| [20:14:40] | cipher42: | shit, i allways get them confused |
| [20:14:44] | cipher42: | you are right, i want component |
| [20:14:48] | Beirdo: | language... |
| [20:14:48] | cipher42: | sorry |
| [20:14:53] | cipher42: | sorry again |
| [20:15:11] | Beirdo: | we all do it occasionally, but we need to try to remember |
| [20:15:29] | cipher42: | but yea anywho, it allways reverts to composite on reboot |
| [20:15:33] | cipher42: | and i want component |
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| [20:16:22] | Beirdo: | just guessing, but perhaps you can set something for the driver module to tell it otherwise? |
| [20:17:08] | clever: | Beirdo: ok, got the log, http://privatepaste.com/ef30b4ca56 |
| [20:17:24] | clever: | the problem, is from 9oclock to 15oclock |
| [20:17:38] | wagnerrp: | 15 o'clock? |
| [20:17:43] | wagnerrp: | no one talks that way |
| [20:17:47] | clever: | it locked a table and then didnt do anything, deadlocking the entire mythtv network for 6 hours |
| [20:17:56] | clever: | wagnerrp: not used to 24h mode:P |
| [20:18:15] | wagnerrp: | 12h mode is o'clock |
| [20:18:18] | wagnerrp: | 24h mode is hundred |
| [20:18:28] | clever: | if you look at the log, youll see something is wrong |
| [20:18:47] | wagnerrp: | nine-hundred to fifteen-hundred |
| [20:18:50] | sphery: | few clocks actually have a 15 o' (on the) clock |
| [20:19:59] | ** sphery wonders if clever has been updating wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24-hour_clock#Th . . . oken_English ** | |
| [20:20:06] | ** wagnerrp cant figure out how to get himself cc'd on a ticket ** | |
| [20:20:12] | sphery: | "Both "eighteen o'clock"[citation needed] and "eighteen hundred" are commonly encountered spoken English for 18:00." |
| [20:20:21] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: if you figure that out, let me know |
| [20:20:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you have to add a comment |
| [20:20:33] | sphery: | but don't tell Beirdo |
| [20:20:34] | Beirdo: | Oh? |
| [20:20:46] | ** Beirdo reaches for the trout :) ** | |
| [20:20:48] | sphery: | yeah, it's stupid--sends out an e-mail to everyone on the list, too |
| [20:21:09] | sphery: | would be nice to fix that |
| [20:21:17] | clever: | any idea on why mythbackend would screw up so badly? |
| [20:21:18] | wagnerrp: | i have _never_ heard someone say o'clock in relation to 24hr time |
| [20:21:24] | sphery: | along with getting the auto-authenticate users stuff in Trac |
| [20:21:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that makes 2 of us |
| [20:21:31] | Beirdo: | neither have I, wagnerrp |
| [20:21:41] | sphery: | I suppose that's why it's "[citation needed]" |
| [20:21:57] | Beirdo: | I've heard "fifteen oh-five" |
| [20:22:07] | Beirdo: | for 3:05pm :) |
| [20:22:12] | sphery: | yeah, that's normal |
| [20:22:19] | Beirdo: | yeah. military time |
| [20:22:23] | Beirdo: | but whatever works. |
| [20:22:34] | sphery: | and you never should ever hear 0-hundred |
| [20:22:50] | sphery: | there's a 2400 and a 0005, but no 0000 |
| [20:22:53] | Beirdo: | why would you call it anything but midnight? :) |
| [20:23:36] | clever: | why dont we get back on topic and fix mythtv? :P |
| [20:23:40] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [20:23:53] | sphery: | midnight is best because there's no ambiguity |
| [20:24:11] | sphery: | seems I might have 0000 and 2400 backwards... |
| [20:24:32] | clever: | sphery: does 2400 even exist, i thought it went from 2359 to 0000 |
| [20:24:32] | Beirdo: | there IS a 24:00:01 some years |
| [20:24:47] | Beirdo: | so 24:00:00 must exist |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | stupid leap seconds (that most people ignore) |
| [20:25:01] | ** wagnerrp wonders if #3001 can be closed, several ffmpeg syncs later ** | |
| [20:25:04] | sphery: | or is it 2 23:59:59's :) |
| [20:25:16] | Beirdo: | hehe, good question, dunno |
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| [20:25:56] | Beirdo: | is bjm ever around? |
| [20:26:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: could close it "no reports of continued problems in 5 months" after http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3001#comment:12 |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | #3001 sounds like a candidate for "needs more info" and close in a short time |
| [20:27:00] | sphery: | if it is an issue, someone can open a new ticket |
| [20:27:06] | Beirdo: | or what sphery said :) |
| [20:27:13] | sphery: | (if it is an issue /with current trunk/) |
| [20:27:21] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:27:36] | sphery: | we're going to have 0.24 done before 0.23 |
| [20:27:59] | wagnerrp: | well its up to janneg, but im just wondering if hes forgotten about it, or just hasnt bothered to check if its a problem |
| [20:28:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:28:19] | sphery: | I say if no one cares enough to say it's still a problem, it's not a problem |
| [20:28:34] | Beirdo: | yeah, maybe he needs a poke with a stick (gently of course) |
| [20:28:53] | sphery: | http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html |
| [20:29:24] | wagnerrp: | uh oh... 'firefox cant establish a connection to the server at svn.mythtv.org' |
| [20:29:37] | sphery: | I think Chutt is restarting apache |
| [20:29:44] | sphery: | he's making changes to config to add new processes |
| [20:29:47] | wagnerrp: | messing with the pre-fork count? |
| [20:29:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:29:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think so |
| [20:30:01] | Beirdo: | and a trac update |
| [20:30:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there it goes |
| [20:30:05] | Beirdo: | oh dear god |
| [20:31:55] | sphery: | wonder how it will weather the ./'ing |
| [20:32:07] | sphery: | (for new releases or whatever) |
| [20:32:12] | Beirdo: | we'll see soon enough, I'm sure |
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| [20:40:26] | wagnerrp: | does the internal player support external subtitles for recordings? |
| [20:44:06] | iamlindoro: | In theory, yes |
| [20:44:45] | iamlindoro: | I wrote the SG support for external subtitles but didn't actually test it w/ recordings-- just should theoretically work |
| [20:46:18] | iamlindoro: | But since I can't promise that it does work and I wrote it, I'd consider it unsupported :) |
| [20:46:23] | iamlindoro: | meaning FRWOP |
| [20:46:37] | iamlindoro: | I'll close |
| [20:50:09] | wagnerrp: | 'we dont need people who dont need mythvideo' |
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| [20:54:29] | nwidger: | hello, i have hundreds of videos in my mythvideo tables, but when i try to run jamu.py it says '! Error: No valid video files found'. anyone know what im doing wrong? |
| [20:54:54] | sphery: | scan first in MythVideo, then run jamu |
| [20:55:11] | sphery: | (or re-scan, as the case may be) |
| [20:55:21] | nwidger: | sphery: what do you mean by 'scan'? the videos already show up when i go to media library -> watch videos |
| [20:55:28] | nwidger: | they just have no meta data |
| [20:55:44] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: run from the command line ./jamu.py -MVf and pastebin the output |
| [20:55:57] | ** sphery wonders if they'll show up after a rescan ** | |
| [20:56:38] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Just for future reference jamu will add new videos to MythVideo no prior scanning is required. |
| [20:57:29] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Also what options are you using when you run jamu? |
| [20:57:53] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: hmm, i should probably have the 'mythvideo' variable set to the directory with all my videos in it, eh? |
| [20:58:10] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: A wise choice indeed;) |
| [20:59:07] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Are you using a combined FE/BE or is the BE on another machine? |
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| [21:00:33] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: no it's all one box |
| [21:00:42] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: If you meant the 'mythvideo' variable in a jamu,conf tile then not variable does not matter when you run Jamu with any -M option. Jamu gets all the directories from the MythTV database. |
| [21:01:03] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: good to know, but I was more going for the "make sure they're still working in MythVideo before trying to get jamu working" side of things--just assuming that he's upgrading or something |
| [21:01:06] | RDV_Linux: | s/jamu,conf tile/jamu.conf file/ |
| [21:01:12] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: oh okay. that's what i thought it SHOULD do... |
| [21:01:58] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: i just want it to do a mass update of all videos in the database... |
| [21:02:01] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Good thinking as it also allows a user to know at least MythVideo sees the video files. |
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| [21:02:35] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: As I asked before what options are you using? -MI are for mass updates. |
| [21:03:11] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: one sec, let me get you a paste |
| [21:03:19] | RDV_Linux: | ok |
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| [21:05:15] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1845011 |
| [21:05:33] | RDV_Linux: | looking now |
| [21:05:51] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: thanks :) |
| [21:07:31] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Is '/var/lib/mythtv/videos' the base directory for your videos? That is what Jamu is using. |
| [21:08:05] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: no it isnt... but i thought you said it just pulls filenames out of the DB |
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| [21:09:20] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: No it picks up the video directories ti search from the MythTV database. Those setting must be correct for the specific BE host that you are running Jamu on. |
| [21:09:54] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: You set them through your FE. |
| [21:10:07] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: the FE and BE are on the same machine |
| [21:10:24] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: i need to set it using mythtv-setup? im confused. |
| [21:11:17] | wagnerrp: | if youre using storage groups, those get set in mythtv-setup |
| [21:11:18] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: If you are using storage groups then use myth-setup if not then use the FE. |
| [21:11:27] | wagnerrp: | and i believe the backend needs to be reset afterwards |
| [21:12:36] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: i have no idea if im using storage groups... all i know is i set the directory for mythvideo using the FE and want jamu to update the meta data for everything mythvideo found in that directory. |
| [21:13:47] | wagnerrp: | if you set the directory in the frontend, then youre not using storage groups |
| [21:13:56] | nwidger: | okay |
| [21:14:20] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Is this a brand new setup? Are you using Mythbuntu? What version of MythTV are you using? Just want to make sure we are talking apples to apples. |
| [21:14:59] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: yes, yes and 0.22.0 |
| [21:16:14] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: I assume Mythbuntu 9.10, if my assumption is correct have you ever applied the Mythbuntu daily updates. I can see you are using an older jamu version. |
| [21:16:54] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: you mean 'nightlies' repository? |
| [21:17:12] | warlord2: | Hmm.. Does mythweb in 0.22 not perform on-the-fly transcoding anymore? |
| [21:17:14] | nwidger: | cause no i havent |
| [21:17:37] | iamlindoro: | Aside from the flash player, Mythweb has never done on-the-fly transcodes |
| [21:18:24] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Yes nightly would be an alternate term. I am asking as Mythbuntu 9.10 when doing a fresh install automatically adds storage groups. |
| [21:18:57] | jams: | chocolate soy pudding is not very good |
| [21:19:22] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Here is what I was referring to: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [21:19:34] | warlord2: | Yeah, I just noticed it was still in there for .flv. In previous versions I had added on-the-fly transcoding to .mp4, but in 0.22 it assumes .mp4 is a pre-transcoded file. |
| [21:19:38] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: oh... well i am using a fresh 9.10 install and havent used the auto-build thing at all. so you're saying i AM using storage groups? |
| [21:19:43] | iamlindoro: | UPDATE taste = "foul" WHERE food %LIKE% "soy"; |
| [21:19:58] | jams: | pretty much |
| [21:20:03] | jams: | had to try it though |
| [21:20:26] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: You could check if you have any storage groups set through mythtv-setup |
| [21:20:31] | jams: | the consistency was a little off putting, or off-pudding as the case may be |
| [21:20:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:20:46] | clever: | iamlindoro: invalid sql |
| [21:20:52] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: ya there are a bunch |
| [21:20:55] | nwidger: | including videos |
| [21:20:57] | sphery: | that's the best pudding pun I've ever heard |
| [21:21:02] | clever: | the %'s go inside the quotes |
| [21:21:12] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [21:21:23] | jams: | sphery- thought it was better then the actual pudding :) |
| [21:21:28] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: soy sauce would be the one major exception for a lot of people ;) |
| [21:21:30] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: You really need to update the install as there are many fixes to Mythtv 0,22 including several for jamu. One being essential. |
| [21:21:34] | clever: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '"foul" WHERE food %LIKE% "soy"' at line 1 |
| [21:22:01] | iamlindoro: | Read your error more closely |
| [21:22:03] | clever: | you also forgot to say which table to even update |
| [21:22:33] | clever: | its UPDATE table SET column = "value" WHERE ... |
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| [21:22:39] | warlord2: | iamlindoro: so what do people do? auto-transcode every show (even if they only plan to download a fraction of them)? |
| [21:22:43] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [21:22:47] | iamlindoro: | I did that because I wanted to |
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| [21:22:49] | justinh: | oh lord no, not pedanting on imaginary code people type as jokes |
| [21:22:51] | jams: | beat me to it..i was just about to do that |
| [21:22:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:23:06] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: Mythbuntu 9.10 had to ship before Myth 0.22 was officially released. Updating will save you from a lot of head aches. |
| [21:23:10] | justinh: | mr -rf * \ |
| [21:23:11] | warlord2: | if you kick someone, chanserv punishes you? |
| [21:23:12] | ** clever shakes his head ** | |
| [21:23:16] | iamlindoro: | warlord2, Use the flash player, or have tons of bandwidth and watch untranscoded |
| [21:23:27] | nwidger: | RDV_Linux: okay ill go ahead and do that, thank you :) |
| [21:24:02] | wagnerrp: | or transcode things ahead of time |
| [21:24:26] | warlord2: | iamlindoro: note that I'm not trying to watch in realtime.. I want to download a bunch of TV to my laptop when I go on a trip so I can e.g. watch on the plane. |
| [21:24:49] | iamlindoro: | warlord2, Suspect most people would just do a network copy or a raw download for that |
| [21:24:54] | warlord2: | I suppose I could use flv instead of mp4.. Or I can just hack my mp4 back in. |
| [21:24:58] | wagnerrp: | warlord2: in that case, use mythlink.pl or mythfs.py to get nicely named files |
| [21:25:15] | wagnerrp: | or formerly mythrename.pl with the --link option |
| [21:25:15] | iamlindoro: | or direct download in Mythweb which also gets you nicely named files |
| [21:25:20] | RDV_Linux: | nwidger: You still need to resolve the conflict where you have storage groups pointing to what I suspect are empty video directories. If you do not want to use storage groups then remove them both video and image dirs. |
| [21:25:20] | warlord2: | Well, 8GB/hr vs 600MB/hr is a significant space savings on my laptop. |
| [21:25:42] | wagnerrp: | external hard drive? |
| [21:26:01] | warlord2: | I've got enough stuff to take with my on an airplane.. No room for an extra HDD. |
| [21:26:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv currently only supports a single file attached to recordings |
| [21:26:14] | wagnerrp: | that may change if 0.24 goes according to plan |
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| [21:26:51] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up a USB powered 500GB hard drive |
| [21:27:02] | sphery: | or 640GB |
| [21:27:33] | warlord2: | I think I'll just re-hack my old .mp4 code into there. I can use stream_flv as a template. I had a bunch of nice code to figure out the size of the raw recording and transcode down based on it. Generally I've been bandwidth limited, not CPU limited. |
| [21:27:33] | sphery: | but paying the 2.5" hard drive penalty for USB powered doesn't make sense for Myth |
| [21:27:45] | sphery: | just get a USB-connected, wall-powered 3.5" external |
| [21:27:56] | warlord2: | Also, that doesn't help when I'm on the road and want to pull down new shows.. I can't download 8GB/hr files when I'm traveling. |
| [21:27:58] | sphery: | (but I didn't read scrollback, so I may be talking nonsense) |
| [21:28:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and buy a plane that has 120V outlets? |
| [21:28:23] | sphery: | ah, I'm plane wrong, then |
| [21:28:36] | warlord2: | sphery: trying to do on-the-fly mp4 transcode in 0.22 (I had hacked it into 0.21 mythweb following the .flv method)_ |
| [21:28:45] | sphery: | I should say, then, "using MythTV on a plane doesn't make sense" |
| [21:28:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:29:17] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you want these m-f- mythtvs off this m-f- plane? |
| [21:29:20] | Beirdo: | should get the airlines to install it on the central machine... |
| [21:29:24] | iamlindoro: | I have had it with these monkey fighting recordings on this monkey fighting plane |
| [21:29:38] | wagnerrp: | monkey fighting, thats a good one |
| [21:29:40] | warlord2: | sphery: I'm not trying to use mythtv on the plane. I'm trying to copy the myth-recorded TV programs to my laptop so I can watch them on the plane (using e.g. mplayer) |
| [21:29:43] | sphery: | I travel a ton, and I just use xine with whatever file's I copy to my laptop HDD |
| [21:29:47] | Beirdo: | melon farming |
| [21:29:50] | warlord2: | iamlindoro: LOL |
| [21:29:56] | wagnerrp: | we also would have accepted 'mister falcon mythtv' |
| [21:30:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:30:14] | sphery: | warlord2: mythlink.pl (or mythrename.pl --link for 0.22-fixes), like wagnerrp said |
| [21:30:17] | warlord2: | sphery: that's what I've been doing for years... I'll just go replace the stream_mp4.flv with my own code. |
| [21:30:53] | Beirdo: | it was funny hearing "Yippie Kay-Eh, melon farmer" on Die Hard (or however you spell it anyways) |
| [21:31:08] | wagnerrp: | melon farmer? i missed that one |
| [21:31:19] | wagnerrp: | they used mister falcon in Die Harder |
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| [21:31:46] | Beirdo: | gotta love it |
| [21:31:57] | jams: | iamlindoro- did you say the other day the quiet macro no longer works? |
| [21:32:09] | sphery: | I can't believe they sometimes say "mother lover" on regular TV |
| [21:32:19] | iamlindoro: | jams, When I tried it after the transition, yeah, needed to use /mode +q |
| [21:32:21] | sphery: | surprised no one has complained about its offending their sensibilities |
| [21:32:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you dont love your mother? |
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| [21:32:52] | Beirdo: | muh?! |
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| [21:33:03] | jams: | iamlindoro- seems to work for me |
| [21:33:16] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [21:33:18] | iamlindoro: | cool, was just post move to hyperion so may have been growing pains |
| [21:33:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [21:33:54] | Beirdo: | waiting for svn.mythtv.org.... |
| [21:34:08] | Beirdo: | OK, is this the firewall, firefox... or the server? :) |
| [21:34:18] | wagnerrp: | server |
| [21:34:23] | wagnerrp: | its not down, its just slow |
| [21:34:30] | wagnerrp: | very... very... slow |
| [21:34:35] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [21:34:42] | wagnerrp: | caught waiting on a timeout or something |
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| [21:34:51] | wagnerrp: | its not a performance issue |
| [21:34:53] | Beirdo: | Chutt may need to re-tweak that |
| [21:35:08] | sphery: | I'm just glad the move to Hyperion worked out better for freenode than for Dennis Sweeney |
| [21:35:24] | ** Beirdo slaps his browser anyways ** | |
| [21:35:44] | sphery: | when you say very, very slow, you mean minutes per page slow |
| [21:35:54] | Beirdo: | I call it borked |
| [21:35:56] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [21:36:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wait, is clever hosting the svn server now??? |
| [21:36:12] | sphery: | FRWOP |
| [21:36:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Obscuuuuuuuure |
| [21:36:25] | wagnerrp: | i mean its sitting there for ~5+ minutes waiting for something to time out |
| [21:36:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:36:30] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i am hosting 2 svn servers, and i dont have any of the problems you guys are having:P |
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| [21:36:47] | iamlindoro: | that's because nobody wants any code you have anything to do with |
| [21:36:49] | sphery: | and he gets at least as much traffic as mythtv gets |
| [21:37:07] | clever: | sphery: maybe 1 hit a week |
| [21:37:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:37:14] | iamlindoro: | QED |
| [21:37:20] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [21:37:21] | sphery: | It's Trac that's the problem for us, not SVN |
| [21:37:30] | sphery: | Seems Trac is subverting our Subversion |
| [21:37:34] | clever: | ive also got trac, and that has been having similar problems |
| [21:37:43] | Beirdo: | trac and its berkeley db? or is it sqlite now? |
| [21:37:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery, That's too bad, because most people just want to git it |
| [21:37:49] | clever: | every now and then, it will randomly demand several 100mb of ram for a shingle query |
| [21:38:02] | Beirdo: | why would you query a shingle? |
| [21:38:07] | clever: | single* |
| [21:38:20] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: because you had some help from jack daniels? |
| [21:38:30] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: I guess so |
| [21:39:08] | AndyCap: | upgrade svn repo to fsfs+memcached... (warning, only spouting buzzwords from the svn releasenotes) :P |
| [21:39:30] | clever: | AndyCap: its not a problem with the svn repo, its on the trac side |
| [21:39:44] | Beirdo: | it's not svn, it's trac itself. it can be a serious pain |
| [21:41:04] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure our Trac is using SQLite. |
| [21:41:17] | clever: | same |
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| [21:42:14] | Beirdo: | sphery: good :) bdb is the devil |
| [21:42:39] | warlord2: | does trac use anything OTHER than sqlite? |
| [21:43:00] | ** sphery is having all sorts of SQLite issues in Firefox 3.6 (perhaps because of using system SQLite, but I've heard that if you have system SQLite and use the firefox-shipped SQLite, it's worse) ** | |
| [21:43:19] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, plus the non-compatible changes to BDB that break sendmail are annoying |
| [21:43:38] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:43:53] | sphery: | But, hey, it's owned by Oracle--like all the other good DB's, so... ;) |
| [21:44:46] | sphery: | So I've almost got myth switched over to use JavaDB. |
| [21:44:55] | AndyCap: | oracle just needs to buy some UAV company to have a complete application stack |
| [21:45:07] | sphery: | (but not Apache Derby... I've made it depend on the Sun-shipped version.) |
| [21:45:34] | sphery: | unmanned-aerial vehicle co? |
| [21:45:56] | AndyCap: | and call it oracle enforcer or something. |
| [21:46:34] | sphery: | but if they try to go anywhere with Project Looking Glass, Apple will sue them... |
| [21:47:03] | clever: | sphery: using mod_python? |
| [21:48:08] | sphery: | mod python for? |
| [21:48:16] | clever: | trac on the mythtv servers |
| [21:48:21] | sphery: | oh, that I don't know |
| [21:48:35] | wagnerrp: | eating rodents? |
| [21:48:41] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [21:48:47] | Beirdo: | to eat mod_rat |
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| [21:48:54] | clever: | i'm guessing its using mod_python |
| [21:49:05] | clever: | if it wasnt, the ram would be released at the end of each query |
| [21:49:11] | Beirdo: | I'm guessing.. YAWN :) |
| [21:49:15] | Beirdo: | I need more coffee |
| [21:49:47] | sphery: | from Oct 28, 2009: ok, trac's now using mod_wsgi instead of mod_python |
| [21:50:19] | clever: | i think i'm using that one on my image gallery |
| [21:50:22] | sphery: | but I don't know if it's been changed since then |
| [21:51:29] | clever: | mod_wsgi in embeded mode is like mod_python and shares the process |
| [21:59:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1596 . . . d-support-3d |
| [22:00:07] | sphery: | yay! |
| [22:00:38] | sphery: | heh, "PowerDVD 10 has out-of-the-box support for the Matroska container format, which in the past few years has emerged as the format of choice for dodgy video release groups." |
| [22:02:37] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [22:02:41] | Beirdo: | well put |
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| [22:02:56] | wagnerrp: | wow... thats rather interesting wording for a published article |
| [22:03:09] | sphery: | well, look at who published it :) |
| [22:03:34] | Beirdo: | Blargh. |
| [22:03:36] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:03:44] | Beirdo: | oooh, look at the time |
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| [22:04:11] | Beirdo: | so the "VIP Visitor" never materialized near my desk today. big surprise |
| [22:04:20] | Beirdo: | make me dress up for nothing... again |
| [22:04:33] | sphery: | I thought you looked extra nice, today. |
| [22:04:47] | Beirdo: | someone needs to teach our upper management about the Boy Who Cried Wolf |
| [22:05:07] | sphery: | or you could teach them about the Emperor's new clothes... |
| [22:05:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:05:17] | Beirdo: | that too |
| [22:05:55] | Beirdo: | anyways |
| [22:06:15] | Beirdo: | so... should I create a github/google code repo, you think? :) |
| [22:06:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:06:30] | sphery: | I think it would be worth proposing in #mythtv |
| [22:06:45] | sphery: | would it allow assigning specific maintainers for specific scripts? |
| [22:06:59] | sphery: | I'd really like to clean up the mess that's contrib |
| [22:07:08] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, that could possibly work |
| [22:07:18] | Beirdo: | not sure what granularity google allows |
| [22:07:24] | sphery: | me neither |
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| [22:08:15] | Beirdo: | how's the move goin? |
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| [22:08:44] | iamlindoro: | changed his mind |
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| [22:19:19] | sphery: | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597 . . . takes-aim-tv "Google has formed a partnership...to enable TV viewers to use web applications as easily using their TV remote controls." Does Google understand how annoying web browsing on a TV with a remote control is? |
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| [22:24:30] | justinh: | sphery: which is why they aim to force every website to be 40 characters wide by 20 lines :) |
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| [22:30:48] | sphery: | justinh: heh |
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| [22:31:27] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7784#comment:20 |
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| [22:31:34] | iamlindoro: | Jeez, can't say I didn't give the guy a chance |
| [22:32:29] | sphery: | One would have thought the ability for MythTV to Play CDs was not "Minor". |
| [22:32:49] | sphery: | after all, they don't call it MythCD for nothing |
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| [22:32:54] | sphery: | oh, wait... |
| [22:33:13] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [22:56:28] | Ezun: | Hey guys, would love to chat a bit about how to organize videos for the best user experience |
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| [22:57:07] | sphery: | fun |
| [22:57:19] | sphery: | (the netsplits) |
| [22:57:44] | Ezun: | so I started to organize them into folders with xml files and jpgs of cover art |
| [22:57:56] | Ezun: | which worked GREAT for Media Center |
| [22:58:10] | Ezun: | but now when I'm in Myth, that organization makes it a poor user experience |
| [22:58:17] | sphery: | Ezun: best I can do is recommend reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [22:58:46] | Ezun: | cool – I've read that and should read it again. |
| [22:58:54] | Ezun: | do you subscribe to that exact setup? |
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| [23:00:06] | Ezun: | I'd love to get some best practics |
| [23:00:09] | Ezun: | practices |
| [23:00:18] | sphery: | I don't really use MythVideo--I only really have MythTV recordings |
| [23:00:55] | sphery: | And I don't do DVD's or Blu Ray in MythTV (as doing so would be a federal felony offense for me :) |
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| [23:01:38] | sphery: | Oh, and I don't archive recordings--I watch and delete--so never move recordings to MythVideo |
| [23:02:09] | Ezun: | ahh.. |
| [23:02:11] | Ezun: | ok |
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| [23:02:12] | sphery: | but those pages were written by the guy who basically wrote all the MythVideo stuff, so I'd suggest that his approach is probably the best |
| [23:02:32] | Ezun: | anyone here that uses mythvideo regularly? |
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| [23:04:52] | Ezun: | Beuler? |
| [23:04:58] | Ezun: | Beuler? |
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| [23:06:55] | GreyFoxx: | We use mythvideo constantly here |
| [23:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | almost as much as recordings |
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| [23:09:16] | Ezun: | Hey GreyFoxx |
| [23:09:34] | Ezun: | so do you simply use the folder setup that it on the MythVideo Wiki? |
| [23:09:48] | GreyFoxx: | I have no idea what the wiki says |
| [23:09:55] | GreyFoxx: | however I can tell you how I organize stuff |
| [23:09:59] | Ezun: | do you have any best practices for organizing movies? |
| [23:10:05] | Ezun: | cool |
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| [23:10:30] | GreyFoxx: | ./data/videos/Movies /data/video/TV /data/video/TV/Show/Season#/show.s0#e0#.ext |
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| [23:10:52] | GreyFoxx: | ./data/video/Comedy /data/video/Documentaries /data/video/Porn |
| [23:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [23:10:57] | Ezun: | :-) |
| [23:11:09] | GreyFoxx: | and /data/video is the root of my mythvideo video dir :) |
| [23:11:31] | Ezun: | in those folders, do you just drop all of the video files directly in there, or do you have subfolders for each of the movies? |
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| [23:11:38] | Beirdo: | and /data/video/Porn/BallPeonHammers/ ? |
| [23:11:47] | Ezun: | LOL |
| [23:11:59] | GreyFoxx: | all videos for a given season are in the same folder |
| [23:11:59] | Beirdo: | don't ask me... George Carlin reference |
| [23:12:17] | Ezun: | ok – and for your movies? |
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| [23:12:32] | Ezun: | are they all in the movie folder, or do you create a new folder for each movie? |
| [23:12:51] | GreyFoxx: | Mostly the same, except I do have a special folder for my daughters stuff to keep seperate from my own |
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| [23:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | I see no reason to create seperate folders for the movies |
| [23:13:24] | Ezun: | ok |
| [23:13:52] | Ezun: | I just had that setup from my Media Center days and I was hoping I wouldn't need to change it. |
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| [23:14:15] | Ezun: | I just need to find a way to have the meadata appear when myth looks at the folder and not have to go into the subgroup to show the metadata |
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| [23:16:14] | Ezun: | ok – new topic |
| [23:16:26] | Ezun: | getting the system to play on my plasma TV |
| [23:16:45] | Ezun: | anyone know of a good way to go from a DVI out to a component video? |
| [23:16:54] | GreyFoxx: | I also set mythvideos glalery view to sort by folders soI would be annoyed having to move into yet another subfolder to start playback of the movie :) |
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| [23:17:15] | Ezun: | GreyFoxx – yeah, that's my issue, it's annoying to have that movie in another subfolder |
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| [23:17:41] | Ezun: | I've found that you can "play folder" – so I am hoping to find a way to get the metadata to show up at the folder level. |
| [23:17:53] | Ezun: | May just have to re-organize. |
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| [23:19:15] | GreyFoxx: | But maybe the other view options would eliminiate that |
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| [23:19:54] | GreyFoxx: | in trunk (soon to be 0.23) there are several views that would hide the directory structure fro you alltogether |
| [23:19:59] | GreyFoxx: | that might do what you are looking for |
| [23:20:04] | Ezun: | You're right, I just need to figure out what the best practice would be |
| [23:20:10] | GreyFoxx: | Or just move them out of folders :) |
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| [23:20:49] | Ezun: | Since I'm not using this as my main system, yet, should I just move to trunk? |
| [23:21:31] | GreyFoxx: | I think more people should use it BUT I feel that means you must expect glitches and report them and follow the -commits and -dev list :) |
| [23:22:27] | Ezun: | yeah – I have to figure all of that out. I'm happy to report things, etc, but I haven't really gotten close enough to how to do it. |
| [23:22:40] | Ezun: | so I guess I need to figure out how to report before I move forward so I can report things I find. |
| [23:23:01] | Ezun: | any help on how to report bugs/glitches? |
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| [23:24:54] | Ezun: | since I'm new to Ubuntu AND Myth I'm learning how to stay more closely involved. |
| [23:25:06] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
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| [23:25:36] | Ezun: | can you point me to something where I can follow the -commit and -dev lists? |
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| [23:26:02] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/support/ |
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| [23:26:52] | wagnerrp: | Ezun ^^^ |
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| [23:27:33] | wagnerrp: | also, youve got unofficial mailing list archives at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
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| [23:27:52] | wagnerrp: | and there is no way to go from DVI to component |
| [23:28:03] | wagnerrp: | your only option is an (expensive) scan converter |
| [23:28:15] | Ezun: | Thanks |
| [23:28:23] | Ezun: | and DAMN |
| [23:28:32] | wagnerrp: | you can go from DVI-I to VGA, however |
| [23:28:42] | Ezun: | What about VGA to Component? |
| [23:28:48] | Ezun: | would that work? |
| [23:28:59] | Ezun: | right now I'm doing svideo to component and it's pretty crappy |
| [23:29:00] | wagnerrp: | but VGA and component are not compatible signals |
| [23:29:06] | Ezun: | ahh |
| [23:29:12] | Ezun: | that's the reason it hasn't worked |
| [23:29:15] | wagnerrp: | likewise, svideo and component are not compatible signals |
| [23:29:16] | Ezun: | :-) |
| [23:29:19] | dashcloud: | is it common for video cards to have 9 pin s-video out as opposed to the 4 pin on most other devices that have it? |
| [23:29:25] | wagnerrp: | you again need a scan converter to go between |
| [23:29:38] | wagnerrp: | dashcloud: svideo is always 4-pin |
| [23:29:53] | Ezun: | well, it's working, and EVGA even provides the cable for it (s-video to component) |
| [23:29:57] | wagnerrp: | anything other than 4-pin with the plastic key is non-standard |
| [23:30:12] | wagnerrp: | Ezun: then youre not using svideo |
| [23:30:24] | wagnerrp: | youre using component over a breakout cable from a proprietary connector |
| [23:30:24] | Ezun: | got it |
| [23:30:38] | wagnerrp: | the connector just happens to look like svideo |
| [23:30:43] | wagnerrp: | and may support svideo cables directly |
| [23:30:43] | Ezun: | yep |
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| [23:31:41] | Ezun: | and I would imagine even if I went with the scan converter I'd lose quality |
| [23:31:49] | Ezun: | right? |
| [23:31:55] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:32:01] | wagnerrp: | you can get cheap ones |
| [23:32:25] | wagnerrp: | but something that is going to give good quality will not be |
| [23:33:06] | Ezun: | so, you know the next question – who makes a "good quality" one? |
| [23:33:35] | wagnerrp: | generally, youre not going to find 'good quality' converters |
| [23:33:43] | Ezun: | :-) |
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| [23:34:04] | wagnerrp: | if you want nice ones, youre either going to have to get professional video equipment |
| [23:34:18] | wagnerrp: | or youre going to have to pick up an a/v receiver with conversion capability |
| [23:34:35] | wagnerrp: | and thats only available on more expensive stuff |
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| [23:36:09] | Ezun: | HOLY SHIT – I just looked and it was way more than I expected |
| [23:36:12] | Ezun: | $2800 |
| [23:36:23] | wagnerrp: | watch the language, and thats overkill |
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| [23:36:49] | wagnerrp: | you generally start finding receivers with that capability in the $500+ range |
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| [23:37:11] | wagnerrp: | or quite a bit more if you actually want it to upscale |
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| [23:37:45] | Ezun: | so there are receivers that will accept DVI? |
| [23:37:53] | Ezun: | I guess I really haven't looked |
| [23:37:54] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [23:38:00] | wagnerrp: | there are certainly ones that accept hdmi |
| [23:38:04] | wagnerrp: | and theyre largely the same thing |
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| [23:38:17] | wagnerrp: | first, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| [23:38:20] | Ezun: | and I have a dongle that converts dvi to hdmi |
| [23:38:28] | wagnerrp: | there is probably an easier way to do it than a scan converter |
| [23:38:41] | Ezun: | are you aware of the brand Elan? |
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| [23:39:23] | wagnerrp: | the seem to be a home theater contractor |
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| [23:40:04] | wagnerrp: | when you start talking custom systems like that, you may as well just light your checkbook on fire |
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| [23:40:25] | Ezun: | they're a whole home automation system. |
| [23:40:45] | Ezun: | I've got their products and a friend of mine owns a home audio shop, so he's done my pogramming for free |
| [23:40:58] | Ezun: | but I don't want to take advantage of him over and over again |
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| [23:41:05] | Ezun: | and he's not familiar with MythTV |
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| [23:41:45] | wagnerrp: | im surprised one of their a/v controllers doesnt already do all this sort of conversion |
| [23:41:55] | Ezun: | so I'm trying to go from my Video Card (EVGA Nvidia GTX 275) to the Elan system |
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| [23:42:05] | Ezun: | the Elan system uses Component video |
| [23:42:16] | Ezun: | actually, it may, I haven't looked |
| [23:42:19] | wagnerrp: | the card doesnt support component directly? |
| [23:42:28] | Ezun: | no.. :-( |
| [23:42:35] | Ezun: | DVI |
| [23:42:36] | Ezun: | VGA |
| [23:42:41] | Ezun: | HDMI |
| [23:42:44] | Ezun: | s-video |
| [23:43:00] | Ezun: | I should have thought about it before I bought it. |
| [23:43:04] | wagnerrp: | so its not this card? http://www.evga.com/articles/00469 |
| [23:43:07] | Ezun: | bad mistake |
| [23:43:26] | Ezun: | yes, it's that card |
| [23:43:52] | wagnerrp: | this 'HDTV-7' port sounds like one of those proprietary breakout ports |
| [23:43:58] | wagnerrp: | with svideo and component |
| [23:44:12] | Ezun: | it is – thus the svideo to component cable |
| [23:44:16] | Ezun: | but it's not a great pciture |
| [23:44:25] | Ezun: | well, I'll take that back |
| [23:44:35] | Ezun: | the picture is pretty damn good, I just notice small imperfections here and there |
| [23:44:49] | wagnerrp: | are you sure the imperfections arent actually in the source video? |
| [23:45:03] | Ezun: | pretty sure |
| [23:45:10] | Ezun: | because it's the same issue with all videos |
| [23:45:16] | Ezun: | and I don't see it on my 25" HP monitor |
| [23:47:04] | wagnerrp: | can you bypass the receiver, and plug the computer into a spare input on the TV? |
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| [23:49:51] | Ezun: | it's a horizontal line that scrolls up |
| [23:50:00] | Ezun: | seems to be just one pixel off all the way across |
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| [23:50:28] | kormoc: | sounds like a scan line |
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| [23:50:39] | Ezun: | I "could" bypass the receiver, but this whole system is in the basement and it has video switching. So my cable box, dvd player, and all that other stuff is centrally located and out of site |
| [23:50:44] | kormoc: | try adjusting the tv/ |
| [23:50:45] | kormoc: | ? |
| [23:50:53] | Ezun: | kormoc |
| [23:50:56] | Ezun: | what is a scan line? |
| [23:51:04] | Ezun: | i'm not following |
| [23:51:19] | kormoc: | inbetween the picture data is a burst of other data |
| [23:51:27] | wagnerrp: | it means the scanrate is slightly off |
| [23:51:42] | Ezun: | well, it seems like everything is shifting one pixel |
| [23:51:44] | kormoc: | it depends on if it's a crt or lcd/plasma tv |
| [23:51:49] | Ezun: | OH, so maybe I just need to change the scanrate? |
| [23:51:52] | Ezun: | Plasma |
| [23:51:55] | wagnerrp: | thats not something you change |
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| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | if it's a lcd/plasma, just re-center the picture over one |
| [23:52:10] | Ezun: | but I can change the scanrate coming out of the video card |
| [23:52:14] | kormoc: | or try that |
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| [23:52:26] | kormoc: | if you're using a analog style output |
| [23:52:31] | Ezun: | strangely, if I'm on a scene just watching people talk I don't see it |
| [23:52:42] | kormoc: | I'd just re-center the tv personally |
| [23:52:43] | Ezun: | but when the scene pans it seems to appear |
| [23:52:46] | kormoc: | but it's time for food |
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| [23:52:51] | Ezun: | so lots of data changing quickly |
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| [23:53:02] | Ezun: | re-center? I'm not following |
| [23:53:25] | Ezun: | it's not a re-center issue, it happens over and over. |
| [23:53:32] | Ezun: | but you guys have given me something to go on. |
| [23:53:40] | Ezun: | sounds like I have some things to adjust. |
| [23:53:44] | Ezun: | Man, this IRC rocks! |
| [23:53:51] | Ezun: | thanks! |
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| [23:55:02] | wagnerrp: | sounds like futurama is coming back june 24th |
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