| Wednesday, March 17th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:12] | wagnerrp: | if a pcie slot doesnt work with a pcie card, that manufacturer should be shunned and driven out of business |
| [00:00:23] | Beirdo: | can anyone in Canada tell me if "This Is Wonderland" is still on CBC? :) |
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| [00:00:37] | mfg: | Beirdo: I haven't ever even heard of it |
| [00:00:50] | mfg: | wagnerrp: i agree |
| [00:00:54] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: well, areca says for the board I currently have in my pc (asus) "use the second x16" .. because indeed... if you put it in the first one it won't boot |
| [00:00:57] | sid3windr: | I blame asus, not areca ;) |
| [00:00:59] | Beirdo: | it was on in 2006 |
| [00:01:08] | wagnerrp: | that said, we dont suggest people run backends on ION boxes around here |
| [00:01:13] | sid3windr: | so there are cases like that ;) |
| [00:01:21] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, he's referring to the opposite case |
| [00:01:21] | mfg: | psh — it'd be a step up from my current backend |
| [00:01:37] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: ive run my (SLI) server headless, with my areca raid card in the primary slot |
| [00:01:37] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: well, no, putting a nongfx card into a x16 slot |
| [00:01:39] | sid3windr: | is the same case |
| [00:02:58] | wagnerrp: | mfg: no it wouldnt... your current backend has multiple expansion slots and hard drive ports |
| [00:03:24] | wagnerrp: | and unless youve got an old P3, or an early model P4... it will be a step down in computing power as well |
| [00:03:41] | sid3windr: | don't be dissin the atoms man |
| [00:03:42] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [00:03:55] | Beirdo: | Atoms aren't THAT bad :) |
| [00:03:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | they just suck |
| [00:04:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah... they are |
| [00:04:34] | Beirdo: | I haven't noticed it sucking that badly yet ;) |
| [00:05:12] | wagnerrp: | the ULV Core2 gear is more powerful, and barely more power consuming, than the Atom stuff |
| [00:05:17] | wagnerrp: | although its considerably more expensive |
| [00:06:00] | sid3windr: | I only have the tdp figures for atom |
| [00:06:02] | mfg: | wagnerrp: I have an early p4 ;) |
| [00:06:05] | sid3windr: | not for the entire chipset |
| [00:06:10] | sid3windr: | but 2W is pretty impressive :p |
| [00:06:16] | sid3windr: | though the dualcores are 8W |
| [00:06:18] | wagnerrp: | 4W |
| [00:06:26] | sid3windr: | one I'm using is 2W |
| [00:06:35] | sid3windr: | it's also the slowest ass cpu i've seen in the last years |
| [00:06:36] | sid3windr: | :( |
| [00:06:47] | wagnerrp: | the desktop parts are 4W, the ones designed for nettops are lower |
| [00:07:19] | mfg: | well i'm not to concerned about transcoding or any of the other stuff — just capture and playback |
| [00:07:26] | wagnerrp: | and commflagging? |
| [00:07:52] | Beirdo: | dangit, I forgot to buy beer... again |
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| [00:07:58] | mfg: | yes, but i generally lag behind a day, so I'm sure it can keep up |
| [00:08:00] | wagnerrp: | commflagging of ATSC content will probably be about half realtime with that chip |
| [00:08:11] | mfg: | bah, thats fine! |
| [00:08:18] | mfg: | but i do appreciate the estimates!!! |
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| [00:10:06] | wagnerrp: | basically, i cant recommend an Atom/ION for any backend, if for no other reason than the lack of expansion |
| [00:10:39] | wagnerrp: | you can get by with usb tuners and hard drives, but ive never been partial to those |
| [00:10:44] | Beirdo: | how about an Atom/poulsbo? :) |
| [00:10:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:11:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: falls under the 'atom' part of that group |
| [00:11:16] | Beirdo: | and the "gaaaah!" part too for most people :) |
| [00:11:39] | Beirdo: | the box did start up OK this morning at work though |
| [00:11:44] | sid3windr: | oh dear |
| [00:11:45] | wagnerrp: | anyway, there are one or two industrial atom machines, with a full accompaniment of expansion slots |
| [00:11:46] | sid3windr: | don't bring that up again :D |
| [00:11:57] | Beirdo: | sid3windr: learn to live with it |
| [00:12:00] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [00:12:18] | Beirdo: | that puppy will be a frontend. mark my words... or it will die trying :) |
| [00:12:22] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [00:12:40] | sid3windr: | did you get it to work yet? ;) |
| [00:12:41] | wagnerrp: | violently... with buckshot holes |
| [00:12:47] | Beirdo: | it works fine. |
| [00:12:54] | sid3windr: | we changed kernel and the psb driver broke |
| [00:13:00] | sid3windr: | but the backlight setting works \o/ |
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| [00:13:23] | mfg: | with the poulsbo, do you HW vid accel? |
| [00:13:28] | Beirdo: | it came up with the VESA driver for now. I need to install, etc, but that's maybe tomorrow at work (stupid no DVI-D devices at home) |
| [00:13:35] | wagnerrp: | mfg: thats the eventual hope |
| [00:13:43] | Beirdo: | mfg: eventually, the driver supports it, myth doesn't yet |
| [00:13:52] | Beirdo: | so goes the theory :) |
| [00:14:02] | mfg: | yeah. thats what I thought |
| [00:14:07] | Beirdo: | and it will likely take me a little while to whip it into shape |
| [00:14:20] | mfg: | I was under the impression though that you could use VAAPI as a VDPAU backend. |
| [00:14:28] | mfg: | (thus giving your the HW accelerated playback) |
| [00:14:30] | Beirdo: | vice versa |
| [00:14:35] | mfg: | ahhh... |
| [00:14:43] | Beirdo: | myth doesn't do vaapi yet ;) |
| [00:14:50] | mfg: | this i know :) I think ffmpeg does now though |
| [00:15:06] | Beirdo: | likely |
| [00:15:14] | Beirdo: | and mplayer has patches too |
| [00:15:18] | Beirdo: | not mainline yet though |
| [00:15:20] | mfg: | well, it has --disable-vaapi, so i can only assume that it does work |
| [00:15:24] | mfg: | and yes, not mainline |
| [00:16:01] | kormoc: | just cause it has a disable option doesn't mean enabling it will work |
| [00:16:11] | Beirdo: | anywho... got a site to scrape. be back in a bit |
| [00:16:18] | mfg: | have fun |
| [00:16:24] | mfg: | kormoc: true! |
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| [00:18:53] | Beirdo: | back to OOMing my laptop I go |
| [00:20:20] | Beirdo: | mozenda's app is such a memory hog |
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| [00:21:31] | jolaren: | I know I had this discussion earlier with someone but for the life of me I can't recall what was said. I want to prepose an idea I have for teh mythweb deriative. Where would I do that? |
| [00:22:19] | Beirdo: | que? |
| [00:22:42] | jolaren: | :P |
| [00:22:56] | bjd: | i'd create a ticket or somethign i guess |
| [00:23:16] | jolaren: | I have an idea.. The flash function of mythweb is really great and I thought perhaps someone would code a particular place on the website like 127.0.0.1:8080/flashrecordings-or something |
| [00:23:20] | jolaren: | So that their all listed |
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| [00:23:54] | wagnerrp: | like the 'recorded programs' screen? |
| [00:24:02] | jolaren: | Yes, I guess so |
| [00:24:17] | jolaren: | But as it is now you have to click the show first etc |
| [00:24:20] | jolaren: | I just want the flash videos on a separate side |
| [00:25:03] | jolaren: | I think many people would like that (I don't know but I certainly would) |
| [00:25:32] | iamlindoro: | Because there's nothing so intuitive as a giant page of youtube videos |
| [00:26:29] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [00:26:35] | iamlindoro: | And in the case of long time Myth users, hundreds of instances of the flash player |
| [00:26:37] | sid3windr: | mythtube |
| [00:26:42] | sid3windr: | haha yeah |
| [00:26:46] | sid3windr: | I have a huge number of recordings |
| [00:28:20] | iamlindoro: | On linux, 1x flash player == fail... 900 x flash player ==... |
| [00:28:34] | sid3windr: | ultrafail :D |
| [00:28:59] | iamlindoro: | ullltrafaiiiiil |
| [00:29:14] | Beirdo: | OOM? |
| [00:29:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:29:47] | sid3windr: | nah, just sudden death of your browser :p |
| [00:30:00] | iamlindoro: | blah, 3.5 hours to kill before Lost |
| [00:30:11] | iamlindoro: | I suppose I could work on the many many myth projects I've got going... |
| [00:30:15] | iamlindoro: | or I could play PS3 |
| [00:30:25] | jolaren: | iamlindoro: I understand what you say .. I mean you could easily disable that function :P if it existed |
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| [00:30:32] | Beirdo: | or you could drink and do both at he same time |
| [00:30:44] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [00:31:17] | iamlindoro: | I actually have the MythGame rework sitting here mostly done, but now the DB code needs a rewrite... and there's no real rush since we're in firckin' perma-freeze |
| [00:32:07] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: ideally, the flash streaming will get a revamp in 0.24 |
| [00:32:38] | jolaren: | Can't wait =) |
| [00:32:41] | wagnerrp: | something to stream existing, pre-transcoded content |
| [00:33:16] | Beirdo: | yay, another user job ;) |
| [00:33:49] | wagnerrp: | well if the recording/video rework goes through, you could store multiple files against a single recording |
| [00:33:55] | wagnerrp: | and pull the version you want |
| [00:34:09] | Beirdo: | cool |
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| [00:40:11] | jolaren: | Seems like alot will happend in the near future :-) |
| [00:40:57] | wagnerrp: | yes... lots planned for 0.24, but it remains to be see what will go in |
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| [00:41:39] | Beirdo: | lets see when we can get 0.23 out the door too |
| [00:42:10] | iamlindoro: | details |
| [00:42:18] | Beirdo: | hehe, true |
| [00:43:08] | Beirdo: | time to go on a vodka hunt. BRB |
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| [00:48:07] | Beirdo: | ugh! |
| [00:48:13] | Beirdo: | let me save the file! |
| [00:48:50] | Beirdo: | WebAgentBuilder.exe... mem usage 1.2G |
| [00:48:52] | Beirdo: | come ON |
| [00:49:22] | iamlindoro: | if it were just a big, beautfiul bash script, you wouldn't have this problem |
| [00:49:30] | Beirdo: | dang right |
| [00:49:34] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:49:49] | Beirdo: | no idea what they wrote this memory-leakage material in |
| [00:52:02] | wagnerrp: | C#, its managed! |
| [00:52:34] | iamlindoro: | I pulled some "choice" lines out of that librarian script this afternoon |
| [00:52:58] | Beirdo: | heh. someone needs to learn how to use free/delete/garbage collection |
| [00:53:29] | iamlindoro: | Here's a fun one |
| [00:53:31] | iamlindoro: | cat $mythicalLibrarian/working.xml | grep "<seriesid>"|replace "<seriesid>" ""|replace "</seriesid>" "" | replace '"' '"' | replace '&' '&' | replace '–' '-' | replace "<" "<" | replace ">" ">" >"$mythicalLibrarian/sid.txt" |
| [00:53:45] | Beirdo: | replace? |
| [00:53:55] | Beirdo: | !trout author sed |
| [00:53:55] | ** MythLogBot slaps author with a sed trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [00:54:06] | iamlindoro: | This after having used *curl* to do a query with the tvdb's XML API |
| [00:54:14] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [00:54:17] | iamlindoro: | the whole thing is a disaster |
| [00:54:19] | wagnerrp: | looks like i couldnt run it... ive got no 'replace' |
| [00:54:37] | Beirdo: | please learn ruby, perl or python. closed. |
| [00:54:52] | wagnerrp: | agreed |
| [00:55:29] | Beirdo: | bash is great and all, but that's just disgusting |
| [00:55:45] | wagnerrp: | bash is great and all for _simple_ things |
| [00:56:00] | wagnerrp: | when you start getting into advanced string and text processing.... |
| [00:56:01] | Beirdo: | write it in awk even :) |
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| [00:56:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:56:51] | Beirdo: | or use autoconf (snicker) |
| [00:57:11] | Beirdo: | if yer gonna misuse tools, go all the way and REALLY bork it |
| [00:59:31] | ** wagnerrp demands he rewrite it in fortran, thats the way open source works ** | |
| [01:00:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:00:24] | Beirdo: | you have to use COBOL because I say so |
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| [01:00:58] | sid3windr: | DISPLAY <html> |
| [01:01:08] | sid3windr: | ADD 1 TO BEIRDO |
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| [01:01:33] | Beirdo: | how can we make it more painful.... Oh I know |
| [01:01:46] | Beirdo: | tell him to use 8086 assembler... and segments |
| [01:01:55] | Beirdo: | with overlays |
| [01:01:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:02:21] | wyatt_earp: | greetings, does anyone know why mythfrontend on OS X would still be trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 as the backend even when configured otherwise? |
| [01:02:43] | wagnerrp: | to hell with that... have him patch the x86 microcode, so he just feeds in a data stream and the processor handles it automatically |
| [01:02:52] | Beirdo: | ooh |
| [01:03:02] | Beirdo: | wyatt_earp: sounds like it's not configured right to me |
| [01:03:17] | sid3windr: | to hell with that, write microcode for the crusoe so it can do it right there |
| [01:03:17] | sid3windr: | :p |
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| [01:03:27] | wyatt_earp: | is this a configuration setting in the backend or the frontend that's providing that information? |
| [01:03:34] | wagnerrp: | well that would require buying a crusoe |
| [01:03:39] | sid3windr: | exactly! |
| [01:03:48] | wagnerrp: | wyatt_earp: what is it trying to access? |
| [01:03:52] | wagnerrp: | the database or the backend? |
| [01:03:59] | wyatt_earp: | the backend |
| [01:04:04] | Josh``: | wyatt_earp, that just proved the configuration point beyond doubt |
| [01:04:22] | wagnerrp: | i hope youre using the same database for all machines running mythtv? |
| [01:04:31] | wyatt_earp: | yes, same DB |
| [01:04:32] | wagnerrp: | youre not trying to run a separate database on the OSX machine? |
| [01:04:40] | wagnerrp: | then the backend is not configured properly |
| [01:04:41] | wyatt_earp: | negative, one backend |
| [01:04:43] | wyatt_earp: | many fronts |
| [01:04:51] | wagnerrp: | it is set to run on 127.0.0.1, rather than a routeable IP |
| [01:05:00] | wyatt_earp: | friggen crap |
| [01:06:40] | wyatt_earp: | well, that provides a more interesting error message then :) |
| [01:06:55] | wyatt_earp: | The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." |
| [01:07:19] | wagnerrp: | youre now connecting to something other than a mythtv backend |
| [01:08:31] | wyatt_earp: | odd ... seems to have the right IP address |
| [01:08:49] | wyatt_earp: | this is the "Master Backend" configuration element, correct? |
| [01:09:33] | wagnerrp: | if you have one backend, the local backend and master backend (when running mythtv-setup on that machine) should both point to that machines IP address |
| [01:09:45] | wagnerrp: | and unless you have good reason otherwise, the port should be set to 6543 |
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| [01:12:47] | Beirdo: | ya know, for a vodka I originally bought for the nice cobalt blue bottle, Skyy really isn't all that bad |
| [01:13:15] | kormoc: | I'm happy with skyy as a mixer |
| [01:13:26] | Beirdo: | it will do |
| [01:13:34] | Beirdo: | no Grey Goose, of course |
| [01:13:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:13:38] | wyatt_earp: | wow, imagine that ... you set it up right and it just works |
| [01:13:39] | wyatt_earp: | :) |
| [01:13:53] | Beirdo: | and no kormoc special either... yet to be concoced |
| [01:13:57] | Beirdo: | concocted |
| [01:13:58] | kormoc: | :) |
| [01:18:32] | wyatt_earp: | thanks al |
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| [01:19:46] | sphery: | kormoc: I realize you changed this because of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6693 (and the fact that he asked so nicely in his description), but thenew CSS override for the status page seems to change the background, so we went from http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/MythWeb-b . . . e-before.png to http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/MythWeb-b . . . le-after.png with the mouseover. |
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| [01:20:35] | kormoc: | oh crap! |
| [01:20:40] | kormoc: | sphegoot catch |
| [01:20:43] | kormoc: | erm |
| [01:20:54] | sphery: | kormoc: and, I know I'd lose the battle for the "and I can't read the other upcoming recording info when I have the details shown" (on the principle of "less-squeaky wheel"), but how hard would it be too change the background back to blue and foreground to white |
| [01:21:24] | sphery: | after all, "(this is 2009, people have wide-screen monitors with more than 1024x768 res)" and |
| [01:21:35] | kormoc: | sphery: not at all, I just screwed up a copy and paste |
| [01:21:43] | sphery: | and "the "div.schedule a" uses only about half of that (340 pixels). dumb! horizontal screen space (width) is abundant." |
| [01:22:04] | sphery: | so that's why we can't have it be 50/50 :) |
| [01:22:10] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [01:22:18] | kormoc: | yeah, I should fix that |
| [01:22:28] | Beirdo: | labatt 50/50 :) |
| [01:22:32] | sphery: | kormoc: cool... I can live with it with colors fixed, but I hate that the guy didn't at least get the reasoning behind the original design |
| [01:22:54] | Beirdo: | please do NOT always assume people have wide-screen monitors |
| [01:23:09] | Beirdo: | many people use netbooks, which are resolution challenged |
| [01:23:35] | sphery: | kormoc: it's definitely a /very/ low priority issue, but one I just happened to remember (that I haven't yet made a patch for it... oops :) when I saw you here |
| [01:23:36] | wagnerrp: | can we assume people have monitors of at least 800px wide? |
| [01:23:45] | Beirdo: | I'd hope so |
| [01:23:53] | sphery: | well, the new one is using percentages |
| [01:24:01] | kormoc: | Beirdo: the change made it actually dynamic so it'd scale down as well |
| [01:24:05] | sphery: | read the ticket... it explains how dumb the design /was/ |
| [01:24:11] | Beirdo: | beautiful, kormoc :) |
| [01:24:12] | sphery: | this design: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/MythWeb-b . . . e-before.png |
| [01:24:17] | kormoc: | yeah, the guy was a epic jerk |
| [01:24:27] | sphery: | was dumb--because the ticket (whose reporter didn't understand the page)--said so |
| [01:24:45] | sphery: | and even more so when you realize who he is |
| [01:24:49] | sphery: | the guy /should/ know better |
| [01:25:04] | sphery: | I wonder what Ian would think. Or Debbie... |
| [01:27:19] | sphery: | kormoc: anyway, thanks... like I said--very low prioirty |
| [01:27:37] | wagnerrp: | so the beginning of NCIS:LA... theres two bald guys in a barber shop |
| [01:27:37] | Beirdo: | right above eating |
| [01:27:41] | wagnerrp: | i see a problem with this scene |
| [01:27:57] | Beirdo: | maybe they want their bald heads balded? |
| [01:28:04] | sphery: | could be there for a shave |
| [01:28:13] | Beirdo: | or for weed |
| [01:28:15] | wagnerrp: | theyre combing his scalp |
| [01:28:37] | wagnerrp: | i mean seriously? i guess he wanted someone to scratch his head |
| [01:28:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:29:08] | Beirdo: | musta come for the chatter |
| [01:29:43] | ** sphery highly recommends wagnerrp read up on http://www.badgerandblade.com/ and http://www.shavemyface.com/ ** | |
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| [01:29:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:30:09] | iamlindoro: | shavemyface, the more family friendly of the shavemy* series |
| [01:30:12] | sphery: | I'm a recent convert. Classic/wet shaving ftw! |
| [01:30:16] | ** Beirdo does the evil monkey point at his laptop ** | |
| [01:30:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh |
| [01:30:35] | Beirdo: | and the kissmy* series |
| [01:30:52] | Beirdo: | Oooh, I should play some Ted Nugent |
| [01:30:57] | kormoc: | sphery: 23749 |
| [01:31:04] | Beirdo: | heh, but iTunes would crap out mozenda for sure |
| [01:31:07] | sphery: | kormoc: that was way too fast... thanks |
| [01:31:13] | wagnerrp: | i could understand if he was coming in for a straight razor shave, but they had a trimmer... and a comb |
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| [01:31:36] | kormoc: | sphery: layout should match old style as well, just fluid now |
| [01:31:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: he could do it at home cheaper |
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| [01:32:55] | ** sphery grumbles about Trac's sending unified diffs with CRLF ** | |
| [01:33:28] | sphery: | kormoc: sweet! It's beautiful! |
| [01:33:56] | iamlindoro: | #8200 – New status page is for s**t |
| [01:33:57] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [01:34:00] | sphery: | and it grows for those who aren't horizontally challenged |
| [01:34:18] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [01:34:18] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [01:34:25] | Beirdo: | are you serious, iamlindoro? |
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| [01:34:38] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:34:41] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [01:34:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:34:55] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, no, just joking about our change-averse population :) |
| [01:35:01] | Beirdo: | ahhh, gotcha |
| [01:35:03] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: nah, theres still a good six tickets to go |
| [01:35:13] | Beirdo: | somehow it wouldn't surprise me if that WAS the ticket title |
| [01:35:13] | ** sphery considers telling Christian that a widescreen monitor is designed for having 2 letter/A4 pages side-by-side, not for running a maximized browser window ** | |
| [01:35:28] | iamlindoro: | ah yeah, that bug DID come from debian, didn't it? |
| [01:35:43] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna close the ticket that's on my queue soon, BTW |
| [01:35:58] | Beirdo: | the punk never came back to give me info |
| [01:36:04] | sphery: | Beirdo: the H.264 video info ones? |
| [01:36:14] | Beirdo: | and I'm pretty sure it's fixed in 0.23/trunk |
| [01:36:19] | Beirdo: | nah, closed them already |
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| [01:36:35] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I see them |
| [01:36:36] | Beirdo: | this one's a "nuvexport won't work with transcode version blah" |
| [01:37:00] | Beirdo: | and unless he gives the required info, screw it |
| [01:37:11] | sphery: | Beirdo: thanks for rewriting it to not re-run mplayer on the file :) |
| [01:37:27] | Beirdo: | heh, well it reruns it... ONCE |
| [01:37:33] | Beirdo: | and only once |
| [01:37:34] | sphery: | oh, it does |
| [01:37:40] | sphery: | nvm... forgot it required different args |
| [01:37:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, it used to say to run it like 4 times |
| [01:37:55] | Beirdo: | forget that |
| [01:37:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:38:15] | sphery: | I thought you rewrote it to always use lavf--even for the MPEG-2 and NUV stuff |
| [01:38:29] | Beirdo: | no, although I guess we could try that |
| [01:38:47] | Beirdo: | after 0.23 though, I think we are going to move to store that info in the DB, aren't we? |
| [01:38:47] | sphery: | probably not worth the developer time |
| [01:39:01] | sphery: | would be a good exercise for someone else who wants to get started with helping |
| [01:39:08] | kormoc: | speaking of which |
| [01:39:10] | sphery: | but since we are planning to move that into the DB |
| [01:39:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:39:19] | kormoc: | I figured out a much better way to do the magic zoom changes on the fly |
| [01:39:25] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [01:39:30] | kormoc: | that will future-proof with rendering changes |
| [01:39:34] | sphery: | kormoc: even for VDPAU? |
| [01:39:40] | Beirdo: | even for transcoding? |
| [01:39:52] | kormoc: | Sure, we can do it via the markup system |
| [01:39:55] | sphery: | kormoc: do you have enough money to cover the cost of the video cards you'll burn out testing it? |
| [01:39:59] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:40:04] | Beirdo: | POOF! |
| [01:40:15] | kormoc: | we already have code to pull out width/height stuff |
| [01:40:17] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, that would be ideal |
| [01:40:52] | sphery: | mythcommflag --blackbars |
| [01:40:56] | Beirdo: | can we make a "global" flag for the recording indicating that the aspect changes? |
| [01:40:57] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [01:41:08] | kormoc: | Beirdo: hrm? |
| [01:41:18] | Beirdo: | that way nuvexport (or equivalent) will know that special care may be required |
| [01:41:18] | kormoc: | Beirdo: we have aspect changes in the markup table now? |
| [01:41:34] | Beirdo: | well, that's what you're talking about essentially |
| [01:41:44] | Beirdo: | kinda ;) |
| [01:41:47] | kormoc: | heh, sorta :P |
| [01:41:51] | iamlindoro: | yeah, you guys are welcome for that code ;) |
| [01:41:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:42:00] | Beirdo: | we'll work it out, I'm sure |
| [01:42:16] | iamlindoro: | And here I just wrote it to get a fancy 720p/1080i icon in the PBB :) |
| [01:42:26] | ** kormoc bows at iamlindoro's feet ** | |
| [01:42:34] | iamlindoro: | your idea is much more useful :) |
| [01:42:48] | Beirdo: | hehe, I like the icon idea |
| [01:42:59] | kormoc: | Hehe, I did write the query to calculate which one it is, so I did some of the magic :) |
| [01:43:03] | Beirdo: | can we also get ones for 480i? :) |
| [01:43:09] | kormoc: | I'm so proud of that query |
| [01:43:19] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, well, by process of elimination you could :) |
| [01:43:27] | kormoc: | Ordering by an aggregate subquery is awesome |
| [01:43:30] | Beirdo: | well, I guess... |
| [01:43:40] | Beirdo: | but what if they recorded to non-standard? |
| [01:43:52] | Beirdo: | like 320x240 for some fool reason? |
| [01:43:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:43:59] | ** Beirdo ducks ** | |
| [01:44:19] | ** kormoc weeps for the frame grabber users ** | |
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| [01:44:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:44:35] | iamlindoro: | Those people don't deserve icons ;) |
| [01:44:36] | Beirdo: | smart alec :) |
| [01:44:48] | Beirdo: | yes they do "Upgrade Required" |
| [01:44:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7861 ??? (ref your #mythtv comment) |
| [01:45:05] | iamlindoro: | Best upgrade required idea yet is Mark's |
| [01:45:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: so I've used that 'figure out what aspect the video is' query as a interview question, and so far, no one has figured it out :) |
| [01:45:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:45:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I don't think so, since it's different display code |
| [01:45:44] | Beirdo: | i.e. from the resolution? |
| [01:45:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, heh, nice |
| [01:47:01] | Beirdo: | argh |
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| [01:47:10] | Beirdo: | loaded the wrong scraper file |
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| [01:53:29] | sphery: | kormoc: So, I should get you to look at my copied-from-the-web-and-changed-to-fit-MythTV crosstab queries... I've always wondered if there's an easier way. |
| [01:53:37] | sphery: | http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/RecordingProfileCrossTab.sql and http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/PlaybackP . . . CrossTab.sql |
| [01:54:28] | kormoc: | crosstab? |
| [01:54:56] | sphery: | pulls data from many rows of the table into one |
| [01:54:58] | Beirdo: | cros-stab |
| [01:54:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:55:08] | kormoc: | ahh, never heard that term before |
| [01:55:08] | iamlindoro: | KOIP? |
| [01:55:29] | sphery: | I got it from MS Excel in MS Office 2.0 |
| [01:55:40] | Beirdo: | booo hiss :) |
| [01:56:20] | kormoc: | Ooh, I see, hrm |
| [01:56:35] | sphery: | "pivot table", maybe |
| [01:56:45] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [01:56:57] | kormoc: | it's the classic vertical to horizontal problem |
| [01:57:20] | sphery: | cross tab doesn't really seem to be a good name since it's not really a "joint distribution of two or more variables" (per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_tabulation ) |
| [01:57:22] | Beirdo: | come on, mozenda... been please waiting for 10 min now |
| [01:57:26] | sphery: | yeah, vertical to horizontal |
| [01:58:09] | Beirdo: | stupid underpowered Atom netbook :) |
| [01:58:18] | kormoc: | There really isn't any good way and I don't really mind your way, it's not something I thought of before |
| [01:58:30] | iamlindoro: | heh, what happened to "Thou shalt not bear false witness against Atoms?" |
| [01:58:33] | kormoc: | I tend to use a buttload of subqueries personally, but it's 6 of one |
| [01:58:40] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: hush :) |
| [01:58:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: just wait for them to split |
| [01:58:58] | sphery: | well, "my way," is the way some article on some website did it and I just changed it to fit our database |
| [01:59:02] | Beirdo: | I have one core pegged by this stupid program |
| [01:59:03] | kormoc: | heh |
| [01:59:15] | iamlindoro: | what's worse, the program pegging the CPU is "top" |
| [01:59:17] | sphery: | thanks for looking, though... I just figured there had to be an easier way |
| [01:59:17] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [01:59:23] | Beirdo: | heheeh |
| [01:59:31] | Beirdo: | nah, WebAgentBuilder |
| [01:59:33] | kormoc: | sphery: the other way folks typically do is temp tables, which gets messy |
| [01:59:48] | sphery: | ah, yeah... |
| [02:00:01] | Beirdo: | woohoo. 1.2G use |
| [02:00:12] | sphery: | for the relatively small data size of recording profiles and playback profiles, the temp tables is probably overkill\ |
| [02:00:18] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [02:00:50] | kormoc: | you could do it with conditional joins, but that's way more work then it's worth as well |
| [02:00:54] | sphery: | Beirdo: real computers use trillions of atoms for processing |
| [02:01:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:01:13] | ** sphery googles conditional join ** | |
| [02:01:19] | ** Beirdo kicks the CPU in the nucleus ** | |
| [02:01:25] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:01:34] | iamlindoro: | watch out, it's got it's ION you |
| [02:01:40] | Beirdo: | I wish |
| [02:01:47] | Beirdo: | GMA500 piece of junk |
| [02:01:51] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:01:53] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of which, have you guys seen the trailer for the Neutron? |
| [02:02:19] | Beirdo: | Acer aspire one... 11" |
| [02:02:53] | sphery: | Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius? |
| [02:03:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://www.program-glitch-esc.net/ |
| [02:03:42] | iamlindoro: | yay! |
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| [02:05:25] | ** Beirdo hides the lucky charms ** | |
| [02:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, delicious Leper chow |
| [02:06:18] | iamlindoro: | now with 30% more leper |
| [02:06:41] | sphery: | Soylent Gangrene |
| [02:06:58] | iamlindoro: | well played, my friend.... well played |
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| [02:07:29] | sphery: | someone needs to tell him to fix his autojoin |
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| [02:07:34] | iamlindoro: | Well this isn't going well |
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| [02:07:42] | sphery: | freenode is /not/ going back to the old ircd |
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| [02:07:58] | sphery: | I sent him a PM telling him how to fix it when they made the switch |
| [02:08:00] | sphery: | he still hasn't |
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| [02:08:02] | Beirdo: | hey... Agrajag... fix it |
| [02:08:05] | sphery: | it's been, what, 2 months |
| [02:08:22] | iamlindoro: | I'll take it off in a couple |
| [02:08:31] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [02:09:17] | Beirdo: | freenode is.... interesting. |
| [02:09:29] | Beirdo: | in a Chinese version of interesting |
| [02:09:45] | Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : -b *!agrajag-*@* | |
| [02:09:46] | sphery: | the problem is that enough channels do that that his autojoin finally succeeds (since he has less than 11 autojoins after bans), then channels unban him, then his client eventually connects to the others, he never notices the issues, then his network hiccups, then he autojoins again... |
| [02:09:52] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [02:09:57] | sphery: | I say don't unban him until he fixes it |
| [02:10:40] | Beirdo: | is it really his fault that freenode is busted? :) |
| [02:11:05] | Beirdo: | but whatever works |
| [02:11:12] | Beirdo: | stop flooding our channel :) |
| [02:11:15] | iamlindoro: | I miss the /quiet macro |
| [02:11:25] | iamlindoro: | but otherwise I don't care much either way :) |
| [02:13:51] | sphery: | Beirdo: he just has to coalesce his join lines into 10 or fewer (potentially with multiple joins per line) |
| [02:14:10] | sphery: | they set a flood limit lower than it was on the previous servers |
| [02:14:22] | Beirdo: | for no good reason, I might add |
| [02:14:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro: trailer looks awesome (especially in 1920x800 |
| [02:14:40] | sphery: | I like your name for it better, though |
| [02:14:45] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [02:15:03] | kormoc: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1843147 |
| [02:15:05] | sphery: | I assumed the limit was to prevent the join/spam/leave issues |
| [02:15:09] | kormoc: | sphery: that's using conditional joins |
| [02:15:17] | sphery: | wow, lots more lines |
| [02:15:24] | Beirdo: | sphery: worked real well, didn't it? :) |
| [02:15:34] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [02:15:41] | sphery: | heh, yeah, now we get spammed with excess flood messages, instead |
| [02:16:03] | warlord2: | * grump * Looks like Comcast Atlanta turned off Analog today |
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| [02:17:26] | sphery: | kormoc: pretty cool |
| [02:17:38] | sphery: | I see what it's doing, now |
| [02:18:51] | sphery: | thanks for the education :) |
| [02:18:57] | kormoc: | np :) |
| [02:29:30] | Beirdo: | sphery: you were right. |
| [02:29:33] | Beirdo: | it's .NET |
| [02:29:50] | Beirdo: | so likely C#. and definitely not Scottish :) |
| [02:30:12] | sphery: | I think that was wagnerrp |
| [02:30:19] | Beirdo: | oh. sorry :) |
| [02:30:23] | Beirdo: | anyways. |
| [02:30:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:30:28] | Beirdo: | stupid thing |
| [02:30:37] | sphery: | took 1.2GB RAM? |
| [02:30:41] | Beirdo: | it just crashed as I was trying to save it |
| [02:30:48] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [02:30:49] | Beirdo: | OOM |
| [02:30:57] | Beirdo: | on a 2G machine |
| [02:31:06] | sphery: | nice |
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| [02:41:33] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [02:41:40] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [02:41:44] | iamlindoro: | wha? |
| [02:42:09] | wagnerrp: | 'sphery> I think that was wagnerrp' |
| [02:42:21] | sphery: | who said he was running .NET stuff |
| [02:42:23] | Beirdo: | oh, about mozenda probably using C# :) |
| [02:42:26] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [02:42:32] | Beirdo: | it is .NET crud |
| [02:42:34] | Beirdo: | so yeah |
| [02:42:42] | wagnerrp: | but that stuff is supposed to be managed |
| [02:42:51] | Beirdo: | one of the crash messages said it was .NET :) |
| [02:42:53] | wagnerrp: | background garbage collector such that there arent memory leaks |
| [02:43:05] | Beirdo: | well, it leaks like a seive |
| [02:43:08] | Beirdo: | sieve? |
| [02:43:11] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [02:43:41] | Beirdo: | hopefully their server-side stuff is better ;) |
| [02:45:47] | Beirdo: | it does go down in memory usage some, then back up |
| [02:45:56] | Beirdo: | but the baseline keeps on increasing |
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| [02:48:21] | Cipher421: | is there a gsxr channel somewhere? |
| [02:48:42] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [02:48:57] | ** Beirdo wonders how #mythtv-users became #411 ** | |
| [02:49:58] | iamlindoro: | years of neglect |
| [02:50:19] | Beirdo: | we should charge $0.75 per directory search |
| [02:50:37] | iamlindoro: | Remain on the line, and we'll run into your bedroom and type /join #channel |
| [02:50:58] | Beirdo: | and steal yer stash of naughty magazines for redistribution |
| [02:52:09] | kormoc: | and why would tv geeks know about ricer motorcycles? |
| [02:52:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:52:42] | Beirdo: | beats me |
| [02:53:37] | Beirdo: | we must have a frontend mounted as a HUD |
| [02:59:43] | wagnerrp: | you laugh, i love my HUD |
| [03:00:13] | Beirdo: | if you have myth as a HUD, I'm sure the oinkers would love to have a little talk with you :) |
| [03:00:26] | wagnerrp: | nah, just speedometer |
| [03:00:37] | Beirdo: | OK, that's cool :) |
| [03:00:41] | wagnerrp: | and i think it has check-engine and temp on there |
| [03:02:41] | Beirdo: | tach might be useful too |
| [03:02:49] | Beirdo: | and callerID for the cellphone :) |
| [03:03:09] | Beirdo: | and what the heck... compass, altimeter... |
| [03:03:10] | wagnerrp: | im never buying another car without one |
| [03:03:17] | wagnerrp: | and if i do... im installing one |
| [03:03:21] | Beirdo: | oh wait, that's more for a plane |
| [03:03:48] | Beirdo: | my crappy Yaris doesn't have that fun |
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| [03:16:58] | shanefer: | I can't seem to find this out anywhere – it seems as though my NON-HD channels are always zoomed in mythtv, even though I have the zoom level set to "off"... then when I change to an HD channel, there is a bar on the bottom and top |
| [03:18:39] | sphery: | shanefer: are you using a Xinerama-type display? |
| [03:18:57] | sphery: | if you have a setting, "Monitor Aspect Ratio" in TV Playback, you /must/ set it |
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| [03:20:09] | sphery: | shanefer: correction, it's in Appearance settings |
| [03:21:19] | shanefer: | i see on page 2 "video aspec override" and "zoom" – both are set to off |
| [03:22:09] | sphery: | This would be on the screen Screen Settings |
| [03:22:30] | sphery: | with GUI Width and GUI Height, IIRC |
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| [03:24:08] | wagnerrp: | well thats an odd schedule... 10:00pm to 11:11pm |
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| [03:24:54] | shanefer: | I don't see the "screen settings" option in the playback section, nor in the general |
| [03:25:58] | shanefer: | I do see a "screen setup wizards".. but it looks like it just lets me move a little triangle around |
| [03:26:04] | shanefer: | but it does display the wrong aspect ration |
| [03:26:06] | shanefer: | ratio |
| [03:27:09] | sphery: | shanefer: it's in Appearance settings |
| [03:27:17] | sphery: | not in Playback or General |
| [03:28:19] | shanefer: | ok right... i just found the screen settings, and I see the gui width etc, but I don't see anything about the aspect ratio |
| [03:28:32] | sphery: | then you don't have xinerama |
| [03:28:39] | sphery: | what shape is your display? |
| [03:28:44] | sphery: | the physical screen |
| [03:28:52] | sphery: | 4:3, 16:9, 16:10? |
| [03:28:54] | shanefer: | it's a widescreen plasma t |
| [03:28:57] | shanefer: | tv |
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| [03:29:55] | sphery: | in a terminal, what do you get from: xdpyinfo | grep -A1 dimensions |
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| [03:33:19] | shanefer: | 1024.768 pixels |
| [03:33:25] | sphery: | and the next line |
| [03:33:26] | shanefer: | 96 x 96 dots per inch |
| [03:33:31] | sphery: | that's the problem |
| [03:33:34] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size |
| [03:33:46] | sphery: | You need X to run with a 16:9 aspect ratio |
| [03:33:56] | shanefer: | ahhh |
| [03:34:08] | wagnerrp: | a 16:9 display at 1024x768? |
| [03:34:13] | sphery: | so you can either use square pixels (96x96DPI) with a 16:9 resolution (1280x720 or whatever) |
| [03:34:27] | sphery: | or you can use 1024x768 with non-square pixels |
| [03:35:16] | sphery: | ideally, you'll run at the TV's native resolution--which I'm guessing would be 1366x768 |
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| [03:35:33] | sphery: | you may have to override the EDID info if it's a brain-dead "made for Windows" TV |
| [03:36:02] | sphery: | shanefer: also, I'm assuming you're using something besides S-Video or Composite to connect the computer to the display |
| [03:36:17] | sphery: | otherwise, you should /really/ find a new connector |
| [03:36:19] | shanefer: | i'm using hdmi to a dvi adapter |
| [03:37:02] | shanefer: | dvi out from the computer into hdmi in the tv |
| [03:37:06] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8170#comment:3 |
| [03:37:08] | iamlindoro: | haaaahahahaha |
| [03:39:08] | wagnerrp: | seriously... its 1800 lines of B...A...S...H... |
| [03:41:17] | shanefer: | MY /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't look like the example in the link you sent me.. i don't see several lines that i can uncomment |
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| [03:42:42] | shanefer: | i just looks like this: |
| [03:42:42] | shanefer: | Section "Screen" |
| [03:42:42] | shanefer: | Identifier "Default Screen" |
| [03:42:42] | shanefer: | DefaultDepth 24 |
| [03:42:42] | shanefer: | EndSection |
| [03:42:43] | shanefer: | Section "Module" |
| [03:42:43] | shanefer: | Load "glx" |
| [03:42:44] | shanefer: | EndSection |
| [03:42:44] | shanefer: | Section "Device" |
| [03:42:45] | shanefer: | Identifier "Default Device" |
| [03:42:45] | shanefer: | Driver "fglrx" |
| [03:42:46] | shanefer: | EndSection |
| [03:42:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: extra A and H in there? |
| [03:42:50] | wagnerrp: | please dont do that again |
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| [03:43:16] | sphery: | shanefer: http://pastebin.ca/ :) |
| [03:43:35] | sphery: | shanefer: and Ubuntu is using config-less X, so you'll need to ask in #mythbuntu how to configure X |
| [03:43:45] | sphery: | assuming you're using *buntu |
| [03:43:49] | shanefer: | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| [03:43:50] | shanefer: | yes I am |
| [03:43:52] | sphery: | otherwise, ask in #<your distro> |
| [03:44:21] | shanefer: | oh cool – thanks for the pastebin link |
| [03:44:43] | sphery: | auto-config: guaranteed to work perfectly, as long as you're willing to live with whatever you get |
| [03:45:28] | shanefer: | yeah that's what it seems like |
| [03:45:35] | shanefer: | cool, thanks a lot for your help |
| [03:46:32] | mag0o: | iamlindoro: did you see the easy one-liner install for the librarian? |
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| [03:46:50] | wagnerrp: | why did he feel the need to tell us the XBMC co-loc got struck by lightning? |
| [03:47:06] | iamlindoro: | I have no idea |
| [03:47:11] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, nah, waht about it? |
| [03:47:21] | mag0o: | just found it humorous |
| [03:47:25] | wagnerrp: | i mean how did that have any bearing on anything |
| [03:47:53] | mag0o: | maybe the lightning was a warning, xbmc could have told him to create a wiki page and then got struck by lightning |
| [03:48:09] | iamlindoro: | for my money it can live exactly where it is ;) |
| [03:51:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand 'proper universal naming conventions' |
| [03:51:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: because he wanted us to know this is fully-supported by XBMC |
| [03:51:58] | wagnerrp: | isnt mythlink.pl the very definition of universal? |
| [03:52:28] | sphery: | You know, though, I've heard that the MPAA has been doing experiments with artificial lightning seeding... |
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| [03:53:23] | ccherret1: | can anyone verify that the WinTV-GO car works under linux? |
| [03:53:36] | sphery: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki can |
| [03:53:51] | ccherret1: | sphery: thank you! |
| [03:54:36] | wagnerrp: | ccherret1: for future reference, mythtv generally does not directly support capture hardware |
| [03:54:56] | wagnerrp: | it just supports the APIs provided by cards supported by that project sphery just linked you to |
| [03:54:57] | ccherret1: | wagnerrp: ah ok I am as green as it get here :) |
| [03:56:18] | kormoc: | there's a WinTV-GO car? I wonder how often it crashes |
| [03:56:32] | ccherret1: | kormoc: why do you wonder that? |
| [03:56:51] | ** kormoc guesses ccherret1 is a ESL ** | |
| [03:56:55] | ccherret1: | kormoc: I have a friend offering me a WinTV-GO or a WinTV-HVR-1250 |
| [03:57:00] | wagnerrp: | you said 'car', as a vehicle, a mode of transportation |
| [03:57:07] | kormoc: | What wagnerrp said |
| [03:57:07] | wagnerrp: | the 1250! the 1250! |
| [03:57:27] | ccherret1: | ok cool |
| [03:57:54] | wagnerrp: | the 1250 is a worthwhile digital tuner |
| [03:57:59] | sphery: | heh, GO for the 1250 |
| [03:58:00] | iamlindoro: | So will that be a 1974 Pacer, or a 2008 Prius? |
| [03:58:10] | iamlindoro: | hmm, tough call... maybe Prius was a bad choice ;) |
| [03:58:17] | iamlindoro: | you can stop a pacer |
| [03:58:17] | wagnerrp: | the wintv-go is an ancient framegrabber available for $5 out of your nearest bargin bin |
| [03:58:30] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i bet the pacer would win in a race |
| [03:58:39] | sphery: | the 1250 only does digital TV (worthwhile-y) |
| [03:59:01] | sphery: | but the GO does analog in the same not-worthwhile way the 1250 does |
| [03:59:04] | ccherret1: | sphery: what does only do digital tv mean? |
| [03:59:13] | sphery: | ATSC, not NTSC |
| [03:59:23] | ccherret1: | sphery: can it record from a VCR? |
| [03:59:30] | wagnerrp: | under windows, yes |
| [03:59:37] | wagnerrp: | under linux, there is no driver support for analog |
| [03:59:47] | ccherret1: | wagnerrp: ah so digital only is limited to linux |
| [03:59:47] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: the toyota does increase your die in a car accident chance from 0.01907% to 0.01935%, PANIC! |
| [03:59:50] | sphery: | and even if there were, you wouldn't want to use it |
| [03:59:58] | wagnerrp: | and under windows, its probably going to give you better quality than the ancient wintv-go |
| [04:00:03] | wagnerrp: | (for analog) |
| [04:00:15] | sphery: | digital only means your "digital cable channels" or OTA ATSC \broadcast in the US |
| [04:00:16] | ** iamlindoro hyperventilates ** | |
| [04:00:30] | wagnerrp: | basically, the wintv-go is a framegrabber, the hvr-1250 is a framegrabber AND a digital tuner |
| [04:00:48] | ccherret1: | what is a good card to analog and digital |
| [04:00:49] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt be using a framegrabber with mythtv anyway |
| [04:01:02] | sphery: | and if you want analog--recording from a VCR--you want a Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500 or HVR-1600 |
| [04:01:15] | sphery: | because "you shouldnt be using a framegrabber with mythtv anyway" |
| [04:01:23] | sphery: | it's not worth the electricity it eats |
| [04:01:27] | kormoc: | ([1]http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/ . . . safe-enough/ if anyone cares) |
| [04:01:51] | sphery: | kormoc: how very wikipedia-approved of you to cite references!\ |
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| [04:02:11] | ** sphery misses his backwards-L-shaped Enter key ** | |
| [04:02:17] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [04:02:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the problem is that its an electronic throttle, meaning if something goes wrong with the system, theres nothing the user can to do fix it |
| [04:03:08] | wagnerrp: | at least with an older mechanical system, the user has some false sense of safty |
| [04:03:18] | sphery: | so did the guy doing 90 in a Prius in CA fake the problem to get out of a speeding ticket? |
| [04:03:19] | iamlindoro: | fun fact, you can turn a prius off even in an emergency condition by holding the power button |
| [04:03:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: that's not entirely true. there's a physical engine cutoff when both the break and gas peddles are depressed fully |
| [04:03:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery, it seems darn likely it's fake |
| [04:03:33] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:03:40] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: but people dont know that |
| [04:03:43] | kormoc: | sphery: according to Toyota and the feds, they can't duplicate it |
| [04:03:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: it's in the manual |
| [04:03:55] | wagnerrp: | but people dont read the manual |
| [04:04:04] | wagnerrp: | just take this channel as a case in point |
| [04:04:21] | kormoc: | If they don't read the manual for the things that might kill them... |
| [04:04:25] | ** kormoc weeps for humanity ** | |
| [04:04:51] | wagnerrp: | you never know, mythtv could spawn mutant robots that eat you in your sleep |
| [04:05:01] | ** wagnerrp remembers something about that being the side effect of using framegrabbers ** | |
| [04:05:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Today Show did a segment on how to use the button: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2dfEB0HG6s |
| [04:05:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: anyway, I don't feel for them, if they choose to buy a electronically controlled car without knowing how to disable those electronics if something goes wrong, darwin award IMHO |
| [04:05:21] | Beirdo: | that's a load of shit anyways |
| [04:05:28] | Beirdo: | errr. crap |
| [04:05:34] | Beirdo: | !trout |
| [04:05:34] | ** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo ** | |
| [04:05:37] | Beirdo: | idiot :) |
| [04:05:40] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [04:05:50] | Beirdo: | You can shut off a Prius regardless |
| [04:05:58] | Beirdo: | been there done that |
| [04:06:16] | kormoc: | the CA guy also wouldn't shift into neutral like the 911 operator asked |
| [04:06:28] | Beirdo: | yeah. neutral... shut off engine |
| [04:06:32] | Beirdo: | use brakes |
| [04:06:36] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i have no sympathy either, but then im not your average driver |
| [04:06:37] | Beirdo: | not so tough |
| [04:06:38] | kormoc: | and according to the black box, he was only depressing the break peddle enough to turn on the lights, not actually stop |
| [04:06:49] | Beirdo: | was his name OJ? |
| [04:07:19] | iamlindoro: | and his former business partner has come forward and explained that he has a history of cheating people |
| [04:07:23] | iamlindoro: | and he's in bankruptcy |
| [04:07:31] | iamlindoro: | and he hasn't paid the lease on the prius in over a year |
| [04:07:37] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure it's totally legit ;) |
| [04:07:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:07:51] | Beirdo: | trying to get to Tijuana were we? |
| [04:08:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro: what terrible luck--for a guy down on his luck to have such problems and get his car wrecked... |
| [04:08:35] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [04:08:37] | sphery: | maybe he should sue |
| [04:08:49] | kormoc: | "The automaker said Monday that it found Sikes rapidly pressed the gas and brakes back and forth 250 times, the maximum amount of data that the car's self-diagnostic system can collect. That account appears to contradict Sikes' statements" [2]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_runaway_prius |
| [04:10:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:10:19] | Beirdo: | what a liar |
| [04:10:31] | sphery: | so what about the guy in NY that did the same thing the next day? |
| [04:10:57] | sphery: | just starting to look, it seems: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A . . . HzAD9EFVV1G0 |
| [04:11:08] | kormoc: | "The damage to the front brakes was consistent with someone who applied them lightly but repeatedly" [3]http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/company-new . . . ry/19400037/ |
| [04:11:17] | Beirdo: | "monkey see, monkey do" |
| [04:12:09] | kormoc: | sphery: in a few days after they investigate, we'll see |
| [04:12:12] | Beirdo: | and jeez, if it IS a runaway car... open the door and bail |
| [04:12:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:12:33] | sphery: | and aim for an unpopulated planet! |
| [04:12:41] | iamlindoro: | That's no moon... |
| [04:12:44] | kormoc: | Hehe, I love this one too, http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/26/1447213 |
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| [04:12:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:14:07] | kormoc: | I really wonder if the guy accepts critical security fixes to his OS |
| [04:14:11] | Beirdo: | oh BAH |
| [04:14:25] | ** Beirdo slaps jaunty down to the ground ** | |
| [04:14:28] | sphery: | kormoc: he's a software developer |
| [04:14:30] | Beirdo: | transcode 1.0.7 |
| [04:14:44] | Beirdo: | sigh... jaunty->karmic it is then |
| [04:15:24] | Beirdo: | that's karmic, not kormoc :) |
| [04:15:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:15:39] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:15:53] | kormoc: | They *totally* stole my nick and then changed it to prevent me from finding out |
| [04:15:57] | iamlindoro: | kormoc koala? |
| [04:16:08] | wagnerrp: | are you saying kormoc cant be jaunty? |
| [04:16:10] | kormoc: | I own K*rm*c don'tcha know |
| [04:16:11] | sphery: | I upgraded the processor in my Prius to a 2.6GHz quad-core and installed 8GB RAM. Now it gets stuck at 376mph. :( |
| [04:16:13] | ** iamlindoro misses iamlindoro ibex ** | |
| [04:16:26] | Beirdo: | 1272 upgraded, 315 newly installed, 32 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| [04:16:26] | Beirdo: | Need to get 1113MB of archives. |
| [04:16:35] | Beirdo: | wow. the updates just get bigger and bigger |
| [04:16:43] | sphery: | intrepid iamlindoro |
| [04:16:47] | iamlindoro: | Wait until 2014 when we have 14.04 Salacious sphery |
| [04:16:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:17:01] | ** sphery goes to dictionary.com ** | |
| [04:17:24] | sphery: | hey! |
| [04:17:40] | iamlindoro: | as opposed to MythTV .23 unreleaseable unicorn |
| [04:18:02] | sphery: | on the bright side, the world will end a year and 5 months before 14.04 |
| [04:18:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [04:19:14] | iamlindoro: | The unicorn, like .23, also does not exist |
| [04:19:52] | Beirdo: | unobtainable unicorn? |
| [04:20:05] | iamlindoro: | unobtanium unicorn? |
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| [04:45:38] | wagnerrp: | how do you put 100M lines of code in a car? |
| [04:45:49] | wagnerrp: | i mean thats several gigabytes of compiled binaries |
| [04:47:45] | kormoc: | depends on how well it's commented and whitespaced |
| [04:48:18] | wagnerrp: | code is code |
| [04:48:28] | wagnerrp: | comments and whitespace shouldnt factor into a count |
| [04:49:00] | kormoc: | meh, depends on the metric, most folks just do a wc -l |
| [04:50:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: so is 'int x,y;' a single line? two? how many lines is 'int x; int y;' ? |
| [04:52:43] | Beirdo: | how about: |
| [04:52:51] | Beirdo: | if( blah == 3 ) |
| [04:52:52] | Beirdo: | { |
| [04:53:02] | Beirdo: | func(blah); |
| [04:53:03] | Beirdo: | } |
| [04:53:12] | Beirdo: | 1 line? 2? 4? |
| [04:53:36] | Beirdo: | there's a lot of variance in counting mechanisms |
| [04:54:04] | Beirdo: | and 100M lines of C -> maybe 500MB of machine code, but more likely 300MB |
| [04:54:23] | ** kormoc wonders what language it is ** | |
| [04:54:54] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [04:54:57] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [04:55:07] | Beirdo: | it's 1am... do you know where your children are? |
| [04:55:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:55:29] | wagnerrp: | you guys dont observe DST? |
| [04:55:34] | kormoc: | safely nonexistent |
| [04:55:34] | Beirdo: | never |
| [04:55:42] | wagnerrp: | lucky... |
| [04:55:48] | Beirdo: | I will when I get to Seattle :) |
| [04:55:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:55:52] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [04:55:56] | Beirdo: | but here, no |
| [04:56:16] | iamlindoro: | You could move to parts of indiana and arizona and not observe if you like |
| [04:56:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: the father south you go, the less sense it makes |
| [04:56:27] | Beirdo: | or Saskatchewan |
| [04:56:30] | wagnerrp: | no, indiana is all DST now |
| [04:56:40] | Beirdo: | not all, I don't think. |
| [04:56:46] | Beirdo: | or is that this year? |
| [04:56:58] | wagnerrp: | apparently the change doesnt bother the cows anymore |
| [04:57:01] | Beirdo: | it's by county last I heard (REALLY fubar) |
| [04:57:20] | kormoc: | "Until April 2005, when Indiana passed a law agreeing to observe daylight saving time, the Hoosier state had its own unique and complex time system" |
| [04:57:30] | kormoc: | [5] http://www.infoplease.com/spot/daylight1.html |
| [04:57:32] | iamlindoro: | As of April 2, 2006, the entire state of Indiana joined 47 other states in observing Daylight Saving Time. But it wasn't quite as simple and straightforward as all that—telling time in Indiana remains something of a bewildering experience: eighteen counties now observed Central Daylight Time and the remaining 74 counties of Indiana observe Eastern Daylight Time. |
| [04:57:41] | iamlindoro: | anyway, Arizona ;) |
| [04:58:02] | iamlindoro: | where, when I lived there, the excuse was, "We're on *God's* time." |
| [04:58:04] | Beirdo: | still fubar |
| [04:58:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:58:18] | wagnerrp: | thats really frightening |
| [04:58:30] | Beirdo: | Mooooo! |
| [04:58:53] | Beirdo: | how about Hawaii? |
| [04:58:59] | kormoc: | Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo |
| [04:59:14] | Beirdo: | apt-get moo |
| [04:59:14] | iamlindoro: | I dunno, they're just hanging loose I guess |
| [04:59:50] | Beirdo: | anyone with debian/ubuntu... you must apt-get moo |
| [04:59:50] | MooingLemur: | Beirdo: moo |
| [05:00:05] | kormoc: | huh, it's a Lemur that moos |
| [05:00:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:00:53] | kormoc: | Quick! Dissect it! For Science! |
| [05:00:57] | Beirdo: | that gives me an idea |
| [05:01:09] | Beirdo: | sometime when making a howto... |
| [05:01:31] | Beirdo: | I must include 'apt-get moo' in the instructions |
| [05:01:41] | iamlindoro: | I don't think you understand. This is not a hack. This script carries FULL support, guaranteed to work with schedules direct, MC2XML, Zap2it and others as long as the program ID uses the SH/EP/MV/SP format. |
| [05:01:42] | ** MooingLemur emerges moo ** | |
| [05:01:43] | Beirdo: | especially in a bug report howto |
| [05:01:48] | iamlindoro: | Seriously. It's that good. |
| [05:01:58] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: -users? |
| [05:02:05] | Beirdo: | guaranteed?! |
| [05:02:11] | Beirdo: | I want my money back, punk |
| [05:02:15] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8170 |
| [05:02:20] | iamlindoro: | Read from top to bottom, mister :) |
| [05:02:28] | iamlindoro: | no cheating ;) |
| [05:04:59] | Beirdo: | the formatting of your list got borked |
| [05:05:05] | iamlindoro: | I know, oh well |
| [05:05:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:06:03] | Beirdo: | nobody said it was a hack in the ticket |
| [05:06:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Personally think we were too gentle with him given his pushy attitude, but oh well |
| [05:06:15] | Beirdo: | what a loo-seer |
| [05:06:16] | iamlindoro: | and it is a hack :) |
| [05:06:22] | Beirdo: | it sure is |
| [05:06:29] | iamlindoro: | it's actually an insult to hacks to call it one |
| [05:06:38] | iamlindoro: | because some hacks are ingenious |
| [05:06:42] | Beirdo: | cool if it works for ya, but full support... yeah right |
| [05:06:56] | kormoc: | so you can do what it does (renaming) via myth-rename.pl and a half a hour, no? |
| [05:07:00] | iamlindoro: | "guaranteed" is a very dangerous word |
| [05:07:02] | Beirdo: | guaranteed to work? fine, I want my money back |
| [05:07:34] | Beirdo: | guaranteed to work with any source, as long as it's TMS |
| [05:07:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:07:37] | Beirdo: | idiot |
| [05:08:05] | iamlindoro: | hey, that's lots of sources... Schedules direct, stolen soption 1, stolen option 2... |
| [05:08:11] | Beirdo: | that's like saying you can get a Model T in any color... as long as it's black |
| [05:08:12] | iamlindoro: | s/soption/option/ |
| [05:08:35] | Beirdo: | yeah. SD (TMS data) or stolen TMS data from elsewhere... great choices |
| [05:08:48] | wagnerrp: | im still baffled that he never had the 'wait a minute, why am i trying to do this in bash' moment |
| [05:09:02] | iamlindoro: | because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail |
| [05:09:03] | Beirdo: | he was likely so far into it at that point... |
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| [05:09:29] | Beirdo: | and when you keep hitting your head with that hammer, you forget there are other tools in the box |
| [05:10:29] | wagnerrp: | s/bash/motley assortment of piped shell commands/ |
| [05:10:49] | Beirdo: | he did it the UNIX way... pre-perl |
| [05:11:10] | Beirdo: | it's cool that he was able to, but dang, man, move forward another 20 years |
| [05:11:32] | iamlindoro: | in a "finish the marathon while walking on your hands" sort of way |
| [05:11:55] | kormoc: | so let's see, his feature list on google code is, mythrename (10), mythweb(1), nuvexport(2), mythicallibrarian(6), with all it's features for ubuntu, xbmc, or via a stdout redirect |
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| [05:12:06] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:12:15] | kormoc: | months is a lot of work for some xbmc and ubuntu intigration |
| [05:12:43] | Beirdo: | XBMC got hit by lightening? |
| [05:12:44] | iamlindoro: | I am going to get some serious comedic mileage out of this ticket |
| [05:12:46] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [05:12:48] | iamlindoro: | karma |
| [05:12:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, their co-loc got hit a couple days ago |
| [05:12:59] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [05:13:04] | Beirdo: | meh, happens all the time |
| [05:13:14] | Beirdo: | what does that have to do with his script? :) |
| [05:13:18] | wagnerrp: | i thought those places generally had proper surge protection |
| [05:13:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: we have no idea |
| [05:13:32] | iamlindoro: | yeah, great question |
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| [05:13:55] | Beirdo: | must have been the cantenna on the roof.. heheh |
| [05:13:56] | slb_: | if i use xfce with mythtv is performance better cause its more ligthweigh |
| [05:14:03] | Beirdo: | kaZOT |
| [05:14:17] | wagnerrp: | it may be 'more lightweight', but its still far more than mythtv needs |
| [05:14:29] | wagnerrp: | are you using this machine as a desktop? |
| [05:14:31] | kormoc: | slb_: just a little more memory available |
| [05:14:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, when mythtv is running, that stuff is all idle anyway |
| [05:14:58] | slb_: | my box is primarily for network/server purposes but i was thinking of making it my frontend for media, etc |
| [05:15:00] | wagnerrp: | it makes no difference except for memory consumption |
| [05:15:18] | slb_: | in addition to what i use it for already |
| [05:15:19] | Beirdo: | might save like 0.01% CPU for fewer window embellishments or something, but nothing really noticable on current computers |
| [05:15:40] | slb_: | i have an hdmi out and i just use ssh to mess with my configs but i coudl easily just set it up on my tv i guess |
| [05:15:43] | wagnerrp: | and if you have little/no need for 'fancy' application launching |
| [05:16:00] | wagnerrp: | there are plenty of window manager out there that will run on <1MB of memory |
| [05:16:12] | Beirdo: | ratpoison :) |
| [05:16:13] | slb_: | what do you recommened that is most efficient for my purposes |
| [05:16:24] | slb_: | cause i really dont want to set up x with like gnome or something |
| [05:16:29] | wagnerrp: | ratpoison, evilwm, fluxbox, plenty of others |
| [05:16:32] | kormoc: | slb_: whatever |
| [05:16:35] | Beirdo: | even twm |
| [05:17:07] | wagnerrp: | all myth needs is something to handle focus |
| [05:17:25] | slb_: | i hope it works with my remote |
| [05:17:34] | wagnerrp: | hope what does? |
| [05:17:37] | Beirdo: | yup, and to not add crap like menu bars |
| [05:17:38] | slb_: | mythtv |
| [05:17:53] | wagnerrp: | myth works with lirc, if your remote is supported by lirc, all is good |
| [05:18:07] | slb_: | i shall check |
| [05:18:14] | slb_: | i figure my remote is somewhat popular |
| [05:18:22] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, some remotes will show up as a keyboard, and you have to mess with the keybindings inside myth |
| [05:18:42] | slb_: | Soundgraph iMON |
| [05:18:43] | slb_: | sweet |
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| [05:20:53] | Beirdo: | OK, I think it's bed time for me |
| [05:21:15] | Beirdo: | the mythbox should be running karmic by the morning |
| [05:21:27] | Beirdo: | should reboot into a newer kernel one of these days :) |
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| [05:21:54] | sphery: | So, do you think that next year they'll have a new series on ABC called Flash Sideways? |
| [05:22:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:22:10] | wagnerrp: | you get to see what youre doing in another dimension |
| [05:22:13] | Beirdo: | you think we'll have ABC next year? |
| [05:22:27] | wagnerrp: | it will be like sliders, but without the motivation |
| [05:22:30] | sphery: | heh, good question |
| [05:22:31] | Beirdo: | oh wait, they are owned by Disney... of course we will |
| [05:23:10] | Beirdo: | same goes for Mickey Mouse ESPN |
| [05:23:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:23:23] | iamlindoro: | Dunno, but I also don't know what I'll do without Lost |
| [05:23:33] | iamlindoro: | leaves precious little worth watching on TV |
| [05:23:34] | Beirdo: | you'll be lost |
| [05:23:36] | sphery: | good for me, though--they pay my state taxes :) |
| [05:23:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:23:58] | iamlindoro: | maybe they can restart the series in ZOMG3d |
| [05:24:24] | wagnerrp: | the popup text looks like its right in front of your face! |
| [05:24:30] | sphery: | you'll just have to spend your time writing code for MythTV |
| [05:24:38] | wagnerrp: | hey, maybe the floating Fringe text can float in your living room |
| [05:24:40] | Beirdo: | oh no! |
| [05:24:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Noooooooooooooooooooooo |
| [05:24:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:24:51] | Beirdo: | good night, guys |
| [05:24:55] | iamlindoro: | night |
| [05:25:03] | sphery: | heh, that should be a T-Shirt -> MythTV: You can spend your time watching TV, or you can bend TV to your will. |
| [05:25:25] | wagnerrp: | have a TV bent over a barrel, Dali-style |
| [05:25:29] | iamlindoro: | MythTV: Making television your prison bitch since 2001 |
| [05:25:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:25:42] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [05:25:43] | kisak_: | one pvr to rule them all |
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| [05:25:45] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
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| [05:25:54] | ** iamlindoro coughs ** | |
| [05:25:57] | wagnerrp: | stop hitting yourself |
| [05:26:00] | wagnerrp: | stop hitting yourself |
| [05:26:51] | iamlindoro: | ow! Moooooom! |
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| [05:27:11] | iamlindoro: | Hopefully Fringe comes back interesting and the new JJ Abrams show is tolerable |
| [05:27:13] | wagnerrp: | http://featureblogs.chicagotribune.com/entert . . . ted-abc.html |
| [05:27:21] | ** sphery imagines MythTV with a crown and scepter with all the other PVRs/DVRs bowing before it ** | |
| [05:27:40] | sphery: | is Ted dead? |
| [05:27:43] | MooingLemur: | iamlindoro: mooooo to you too |
| [05:27:59] | wagnerrp: | MooingLemur: there was an 'm' at the end |
| [05:28:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: Firefox can't find the server at featureblogs.chicagotribune.com. |
| [05:28:08] | sphery: | same for me |
| [05:28:16] | sphery: | (at least I know it's not just my name server) |
| [05:28:26] | ** wagnerrp needs to figure out how to copy-paste in VNC ** | |
| [05:28:37] | MooingLemur: | I think I still have it set to hilight me on any word that begins with mooo |
| [05:28:42] | iamlindoro: | "Bromstad confirmed that the show would approach the James Bond territory of gadgets and supervillains. But she added that it is not a new Alias, referring to his previous spy show on ABC. |
| [05:28:42] | iamlindoro: | "I think it's very different," she said. "I think it has a much more sort of grounded tone. It's based in reality, but it has definitely a lighter tone and a banter between the husband and wife. It's not a dark CIA operative show. It definitely has a little bit of Hart to Hart in it."" |
| [05:28:59] | iamlindoro: | You know NBC is out of touch when they tout something as being like "Hart to Hart" |
| [05:29:14] | iamlindoro: | It's a bit like Mork and Mindy meets Happy Days, like the kids like! |
| [05:29:22] | ** kormoc ponders renaming myth to mooothtv ** | |
| [05:29:30] | sphery: | what about Ted???? |
| [05:29:36] | sphery: | where's that server? |
| [05:29:36] | wagnerrp: | http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/enter . . . ted-abc.html |
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| [05:29:50] | kormoc: | there it goes! |
| [05:29:53] | MooingLemur: | :P |
| [05:29:55] | kormoc: | sphery: works for me now |
| [05:29:57] | sphery: | ah, better |
| [05:30:13] | sphery: | seems there was more than one feature to them blogs |
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| [05:30:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: what's the new show called? |
| [05:30:42] | iamlindoro: | Undercovers |
| [05:30:56] | sphery: | cool. I hadn't heard about it |
| [05:30:58] | kormoc: | hawt |
| [05:32:16] | iamlindoro: | It'll challenge americans with learning the names of the main characters |
| [05:32:28] | iamlindoro: | Nboris Kodjoe and Gugu Mbatha-Raw. |
| [05:32:30] | iamlindoro: | No joke |
| [05:33:12] | kormoc: | Why must the writers hate us so? |
| [05:33:21] | sphery: | sounds like someone fell asleep on his keyboard in a late-night scripting effort |
| [05:33:22] | iamlindoro: | Well, those are the actors names :) |
| [05:33:31] | iamlindoro: | and s/Nboris/Boris/ |
| [05:33:34] | sphery: | oh... |
| [05:33:42] | kormoc: | Boris like vodka! |
| [05:34:05] | wagnerrp: | in soviet russia, vodka like boris |
| [05:35:21] | wagnerrp: | Ted must continue, if for no other reason than to see the shovel fight |
| [05:35:27] | wagnerrp: | thats going to be better than medieval fight club |
| [05:35:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:37:22] | wagnerrp: | you know... the FIRST add i ever saw for that show was one saying it would be aired immediately after the super bowl |
| [05:37:31] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fusedfilm.com/2010/03/fusedtv-top- . . . or-2010-2011 |
| [05:37:40] | iamlindoro: | There's like three things on that list that *might* be worth watching |
| [05:37:56] | iamlindoro: | and we'll have to have a channel friendly acronym for S my dad says :) |
| [05:38:08] | iamlindoro: | SMDS-- though presumably network TV will have a friendly name too |
| [05:38:46] | iamlindoro: | I might watch The Cape to watch Summer Glau |
| [05:39:04] | iamlindoro: | No ordinary Family could be good, I like Michael Chiklis |
| [05:44:33] | wagnerrp: | the cape? bleh... they just need to bring back the Tick |
| [05:46:08] | wagnerrp: | that would be a much better reboot than 'hawaii five-oh' |
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| [05:49:58] | iamlindoro: | Wonder if people get offended when I close their tickets in ~60 seconds... |
| [05:50:17] | iamlindoro: | On the plus side, before I was a dev they complained it took > a year to get tickets looked at :) |
| [05:53:03] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, his seems to add new functionality |
| [05:53:50] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [05:53:54] | kormoc: | but the main patch is still wrong |
| [05:54:08] | kormoc: | I dug myself into a hole and need to rework the root stuff |
| [05:59:54] | oobe: | iamlindoro, if i open a ticket and it gets closed that fast i assume it means whatever i wrote about has already been considered and im not that fussed |
| [06:21:01] | k-man: | iamlindoro: where can i read up on the proposed changes to mythmusic for this rewrite thats happening? |
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| [07:31:14] | justinh: | I thought people doing a rewrite just did it without asking anybody. I mean asking people is where things get pointlessly & endlessly debated isn't it |
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| [07:34:21] | wagnerrp: | dont you remember the mailing list thread, where the rewrite of mythmusic was endlessly debated? |
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| [07:37:09] | justinh: | god, if only these damn plugins could be more intuitive. I mean I've been using them for years now & none of them can read my mind |
| [07:37:58] | justinh: | anyway no matter how bad you think mythmusic is, at least it's not amarok2 |
| [07:38:41] | justinh: | and I challenge *anybody* making a remote control-based music player to make playlist management a pleasant affair |
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| [07:41:27] | justinh: | no matter how many different views a music browser has, no matter what fancy search & filter stuff you put in, it'll *always* be a complete pain in the ass if you have too big a collection of tracks |
| [07:42:40] | justinh: | I know I'm gonna regret ripping all my CD singles & putting them into the database at some point |
| [07:45:02] | justinh: | whee just realised it's funny hat wearing day |
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| [07:45:33] | wagnerrp: | oh? its saint patricks day over here |
| [07:45:39] | wagnerrp: | you wear weird hats |
| [07:45:48] | wagnerrp: | we wake up early and get drunk all day |
| [07:45:50] | justinh: | the perfect excuse to go out & drink 15 pints of Guinness – you might've met somebody who might've been from Ireland once |
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| [08:10:48] | mythuser0110: | Has anyone used the most recent build of the V4L-DVB drivers? |
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| [08:11:59] | justinh: | probably |
| [08:12:51] | mythuser0110: | Well, I am getting errors when I make that I believe might actually be a problem with the most current version, and wanted to see if anyone else had success with it |
| [08:13:35] | justinh: | tried asking in #linuxtv ? |
| [08:13:49] | oobe: | could be the kernel you are using as they added a lot of new device support which needs the newest kernel |
| [08:14:32] | mythuser0110: | Thanks oobe- that might be it |
| [08:14:46] | justinh: | pah just redirect the question to the channel *actually* *supposed* to be about the subject |
| [08:15:10] | mythuser0110: | I have been asking in the #linuxtv and #dvb channels for hours |
| [08:15:26] | justinh: | yeah but not getting an answer in the right channel isn't an excuse to go elsewhere |
| [08:16:00] | mythuser0110: | You're right! I should just keep asking the same question in the same place for days! |
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| [08:16:34] | justinh: | helps to ask the *right* question though |
| [08:17:10] | justinh: | bit like asking "does anybody use a TV tuner card?" |
| [08:17:25] | justinh: | or "does anybody have hands?" |
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| [08:31:16] | tripppy: | hi, ive somehow 'lost' my tv tuner, after pluggin in a usb webcam. anyideas? lspci is still showing the PCI dvb-t card. |
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| [08:37:11] | justinh: | so the devices have moved around huh. very common |
| [08:37:17] | justinh: | assuming you've rebooted between times |
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| [08:43:57] | tripppy: | hey justinh, yeah pci card working sweet, i plugged in webcam. tv tuner stopped workign |
| [08:44:07] | tripppy: | unpugged webcam, rebooted. |
| [08:44:43] | tripppy: | still same error, no lines... so i delete tv tuner in backend setup. goto add it again. it not there where it usually is |
| [08:45:19] | justinh: | stuff shouldn't move device nodes when you plug in a new device |
| [08:45:39] | justinh: | if you had the tuner working, then rebooted after plugging the webcam in I'd understand that |
| [08:46:11] | justinh: | that's cos you can't always guarantee the order devices are enumerated, so if the webcam gets hit first it' |
| [08:46:21] | justinh: | it'd be the first video device (/dev/video0) |
| [08:46:36] | justinh: | or if the tuner was hit first THAT would be the 1st video device |
| [08:46:57] | justinh: | but not plug a new video device in & original device stops working. That's not right, or is a red herring |
| [08:47:11] | tripppy: | normally where the v4l card is selected it doesnt find anything, now its reporting failed to open... th pci card is a DVB-T card which uses the dvb dtv drivers normally |
| [08:47:16] | justinh: | besides, a DVB devcice is /dev/dvb |
| [08:47:28] | tripppy: | ive had this problem before |
| [08:47:32] | justinh: | V4L devices like webcams & analogue tuners are /dev/video |
| [08:47:35] | tripppy: | had to reinstall to fix it |
| [08:47:38] | tripppy: | yeah ok |
| [08:47:51] | justinh: | so I reckon the webcam has nothing to do with the problem |
| [08:48:05] | tripppy: | well yeah. it does. its the only thing that changed. |
| [08:48:17] | justinh: | it can't have anything to do with it |
| [08:48:23] | tripppy: | the webcam was in the tv tuner setup in myth. when i had it plugged in. |
| [08:48:36] | justinh: | why? |
| [08:49:01] | tripppy: | it appeared as a v4l analogue device, thats what alluded me to the problem |
| [08:49:12] | justinh: | that's because it IS a v4l analogue device |
| [08:49:24] | justinh: | you needn't even have messed with mythtv-setup |
| [08:49:35] | tripppy: | yeah. andthat has stoppped myth from discovering the dvb-t card. |
| [08:49:36] | tripppy: | ok |
| [08:49:47] | justinh: | myth does NOT 'discover' ANYTHING |
| [08:49:48] | tripppy: | tell me what to do to make it work again |
| [08:49:52] | tripppy: | ok |
| [08:50:07] | justinh: | after a fresh bootup try dmesg |grep dvb |
| [08:50:38] | justinh: | that or ls /dev/dvb |
| [08:50:51] | tripppy: | pastebin? |
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| [08:56:32] | tripppy: | justinh, thanx, i did that thingo again. just one line. working... ran mythtv setup found CARD! |
| [08:56:44] | tripppy: | whetere u helped or it was just the reboot |
| [08:56:47] | tripppy: | thanks |
| [08:57:03] | tripppy: | testing some frontends now. then on to netbooting! |
| [08:58:01] | justinh: | that thingo? |
| [08:58:21] | justinh: | like loading a module thingo? |
| [09:00:07] | tripppy: | dmesg |grep dvb |
| [09:00:22] | tripppy: | dmesg |grep dvb |
| [09:00:31] | tripppy: | [ 33.244741] bttv0: add subdevice "dvb0" |
| [09:00:44] | tripppy: | rather than , prvs |
| [09:00:46] | justinh: | that doesn't *do* anything |
| [09:00:55] | tripppy: | i know, but the reboot fixed it |
| [09:00:59] | tripppy: | very weird |
| [09:01:03] | justinh: | <facepalm> |
| [09:01:24] | justinh: | I think you need to establish why the device isn't always coming up, then |
| [09:01:30] | tripppy: | i just know it was working because dmesg reported it was working |
| [09:01:49] | justinh: | otherwise one day you'll have to reboot for some reason & the device might not work |
| [09:02:14] | tripppy: | ahh yeah. good point. so where should i start? |
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| [09:35:20] | justinh: | oh you c***. You bloody *knew* this unit needed resurrecting, not just formatting the HDD |
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| [09:44:03] | gbee: | I didn't, honest! |
| [09:45:26] | ** sid3windr did ** | |
| [09:45:27] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [10:26:42] | justinh: | and... would you call it 'an upgrade' if you have to take a DVR, swap all the boards out & put it all in a new chassis? :-O |
| [10:43:50] | gbee: | ok, I'm sorry |
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| [11:40:37] | kavakava: | Just read the "IRC rules" and saw that it was illegal to talk about softcam. I guess I can asume it isn't a built in client then. :-P |
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| [11:42:33] | justinh: | you just talked about it. WHOOPS |
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| [11:48:41] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [11:50:00] | rajendrau: | Is there any command to scan channels |
| [11:50:11] | justinh: | mythtv-setup |
| [11:50:21] | rajendrau: | yes |
| [11:50:44] | justinh: | but is there a commandline scanning tool? Yes, and it's not supported or documented |
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| [11:51:02] | rajendrau: | what is that tool |
| [11:51:57] | justinh: | I wonder which part of not supported was hard to understand |
| [11:53:06] | justinh: | basically, you've *got* to use the GUI to scan for channels in mythtv |
| [11:53:24] | rajendrau: | ok |
| [11:53:45] | rajendrau: | I want to scan channels through command line |
| [11:53:58] | justinh: | it shouldn't be something you have to do often anyway. if it is, then I'd be looking to get a different provider |
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| [11:55:47] | rajendrau: | ya, I understand, but I need a scanning tool to invoke from other customized interface |
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| [11:55:56] | justinh: | so, what you want – and reality are two different things |
| [11:56:16] | rajendrau: | yep |
| [11:56:50] | justinh: | if it's for some 'special project' or other there are ways you could fudge it, but I wouldn't recommend doing that |
| [11:57:05] | jolaren_: | mythtv keeps hanging itself.. so i have to restart it to get it working again. This happends when I record stuffs. For trouble shooting Id like to test annother software wihch supports recordings, can anyone tip me? xinemplayer? |
| [11:57:29] | justinh: | jolaren_: there isn't much else really |
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| [11:58:00] | justinh: | jolaren_: but since I remember you're using really dodgy hacks I suggest you start looking in the code of those to find out why it's breaking stuff |
| [11:59:30] | jolaren_: | i'm running no dodgy hack only the free channels available by the antenna i have |
| [11:59:45] | justinh: | hrm. |
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| [12:00:18] | justinh: | so then you need to start running mythbackend with more logging & dig around in the logs |
| [12:00:33] | justinh: | see if the problem is really mythtv |
| [12:00:43] | jolaren_: | Aight, thought that I'd use annother program to see if its mythtv related or driver etc related |
| [12:00:50] | jolaren_: | but I guess taht would work |
| [12:01:04] | justinh: | what difference does it make whether the app records or not then? |
| [12:01:09] | justinh: | it's all the same |
| [12:01:13] | jolaren_: | thing is |
| [12:01:16] | justinh: | program accesses device.. |
| [12:01:20] | jolaren_: | I record and then when trying to watch it |
| [12:01:29] | jolaren_: | it says its using all recording but i cant watch anything |
| [12:01:53] | justinh: | ah so what's likely happening is, something happens to crash mythfrontend which leaves mythbackend using encoders |
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| [12:02:48] | justinh: | I've not had mythfrontend crash on me for a very long time :-) |
| [12:03:08] | justinh: | nor mythbackend, come to think about it |
| [12:03:47] | justinh: | if mythfrontend is just *crashing* then you're gonna need to build it yourself, enable debugging support, run it under gdb & get a good backtrace |
| [12:04:05] | jolaren_: | hmm i see |
| [12:04:07] | justinh: | some distros provide packages with debugging support built-in |
| [12:04:19] | justinh: | it should never just *crash* |
| [12:04:36] | jolaren_: | it's really annoying because sometimes it doesnt recover by itself |
| [12:04:46] | justinh: | and if it's doing that it won't ever get fixed til somebody has a look at a backtrace |
| [12:05:16] | justinh: | does it ever fall over when it's not playing back? |
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| [12:05:42] | jolaren_: | justinh: it always worked if not viewed.. sometimes it can crash during multiple recordings |
| [12:05:56] | justinh: | what can crash? mythfrontend? |
| [12:06:49] | justinh: | if mythbackend is falling over, there are several possible causes but I'd start looking at the quality of the DVB signal first |
| [12:09:02] | jolaren_: | justinh: im thinkin the backendcuz same error from the frontend on my netbook |
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| [12:54:23] | justinh: | heh BBC clean up again at the RTS awards |
| [12:56:35] | oobe: | yay for them |
| [12:57:39] | justinh: | ITV got only two. Figures :) |
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| [13:02:25] | oobe: | i dont pay much attention to award shows |
| [13:03:40] | justinh: | yeh well ITV are crap, the BBC are less crap :) |
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| [13:05:17] | justinh: | ah nuts my podcast script is broken & I hadn't realised |
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| [13:11:58] | gbee: | I'm surprised that ITV got any awards |
| [13:13:16] | gbee: | but then reading the news earlier, I was saddened to find that the RTS awards rewarded the BBC for continuing to waste endless license payer money on Eastenders |
| [13:13:58] | justinh: | did they start going after ratings before or after the BBC Trust came about? |
| [13:15:14] | justinh: | actually can I pay MORE money to have them not make any more Eastenders or stupid dancing shows? |
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| [13:19:53] | gbee: | justinh: heh, I'd be quite happy if they broke the license down into packages ala Sky, then I could opt out of the Sports and Soap packages , and because those are the two big expenditures for the BBC I'd expect that I'd be paying at least half of the current flat rate ;) |
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| [13:21:13] | gbee: | of course, since many people would be paying less, the rest would have to pay more – would people be prepared to pay twice as much to keep their soaps? |
| [13:21:29] | justinh: | yeah then we're back to square one :) |
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| [13:22:46] | justinh: | course then if they broke it all down into packages, they've have to encripple everything |
| [13:23:15] | Beirdo: | kinda like iplayer |
| [13:24:59] | gbee: | why is it that there are 20 year old spy satellites in orbit which can apparently read a newspaper over your shoulder, but the survey satellite sent to the Moon and in a lower orbit can't even produce a decent image of the vehicles etc on the surface?? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/17/lunokhod_2_located/ |
| [13:25:37] | justinh: | because it takes a lot of effort to photoshop everything? :-O |
| [13:25:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [13:26:04] | Beirdo: | because they outsourced the studio set they call the moon to India? |
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| [13:26:45] | Beirdo: | ahhh, to be a clueless conspiracist ;) |
| [13:27:28] | Beirdo: | oh goodie. |
| [13:27:56] | Beirdo: | been here nearly 2 years, and I need training on "Understanding Your Company's Ethics and Compliance Program" |
| [13:28:05] | Beirdo: | boondoggle, here we come! |
| [13:29:23] | justinh: | gbee: also, maybe if the high res pics are ever published there'll be an outcry about all the 2 inch high beings we keep squashing every time we land something there ;-) |
| [13:29:51] | gbee: | heh |
| [13:30:12] | Beirdo: | and the mountains of landfill |
| [13:30:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [13:30:44] | justinh: | wth? is the daily express *still* going on about Diana's death? |
| [13:30:58] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [13:31:09] | Beirdo: | let the woman rest in peace already! |
| [13:31:53] | justinh: | on monday the headline was "French 'set up' Diana's driver" |
| [13:32:25] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [13:32:36] | Beirdo: | oh nice. this training module is borked |
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| [13:32:57] | Beirdo: | check all that apply... I check all 4... "Incorrect, all 4 should be checked" |
| [13:32:59] | justinh: | we get these really lame online training exercises a monkey could step through |
| [13:33:08] | Beirdo: | gives me great confidence |
| [13:33:13] | Beirdo: | yeah, here too |
| [13:33:19] | justinh: | Beirdo: aha! they want you to fix it aswell! |
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| [13:34:02] | Beirdo: | hehe, like I can :) |
| [13:34:03] | justinh: | your ethics will be tested by deciding whether or not to hack the server to apply your fix ;) |
| [13:34:25] | Beirdo: | I just hope the quiz at the end works so I don't have to take it again and waste MORE time on obvious crap |
| [13:35:01] | justinh: | uhhh stupid user. course the script ain't gonna tag the files if you've left the commandlines commented out |
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| [13:43:28] | justinh: | s/user/me/ |
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| [13:46:33] | PsychoI3oy: | I have an oddball problem where nuvexport from hdtv sources (on one channel only) sometimes picks up the SAP channel instead of the main one |
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| [13:47:11] | PsychoI3oy: | so half the time my NCIS and NCIS:LA transcodes have the narration for the visually impared, half the time they're normal |
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| [13:47:54] | justinh: | you might have to beef up the transcoding script a tad |
| [13:48:19] | justinh: | get it to parse the streams better, like spotting the one with a higher bitrate or number of channels... |
| [13:48:27] | PsychoI3oy: | hmm |
| [13:48:56] | PsychoI3oy: | can't just make it default to "stream 0" or something? |
| [13:49:05] | justinh: | I dunno how nuvexport goes about it, but going for the 'first' stream obviously isn't doing it |
| [13:49:18] | justinh: | that's the whole point |
| [13:49:33] | PsychoI3oy: | oh, such is already in there and it's not working? |
| [13:49:46] | justinh: | it might already be defaulting to "stream 0" but it's not the one marked as primary |
| [13:49:56] | PsychoI3oy: | odd |
| [13:49:59] | justinh: | not really |
| [13:50:15] | justinh: | there's nothing in the spec which says the primary audio stream has to be first in-line after the video |
| [13:50:18] | PsychoI3oy: | whenever i play them through the frontend it defaults to the normal one |
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| [13:50:35] | justinh: | it defaults to whichever is marked as primary, I think you'd find |
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| [13:53:01] | PsychoI3oy: | I just opened up the episode in mythfrontend, both atsc audio streams are marked as spanish/castillian, but stream 1 is normal and 2 is with-narration, and it defaulted to 1 |
| [13:53:24] | PsychoI3oy: | though the output shows the normal one has 6 channels, narrated has 3 |
| [13:53:28] | PsychoI3oy: | hmmmm |
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| [13:54:42] | justinh: | that mythfrontend is better at picking the right stream shouldn't be a surprise |
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| [13:55:43] | PsychoI3oy: | that I can't find a darn thing googling "nuvexport SAP" is what's confusing, I have a hard time believing my setup is so special as to be the only one having this issue |
| [13:56:08] | justinh: | WTF?! On the nuvexport page in the wiki... "and I can share them over the internet if needed." |
| [13:56:13] | justinh: | christ on a bike! |
| [13:56:21] | PsychoI3oy: | doh |
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| [13:56:47] | justinh: | PsychoI3oy: you won't be able to. I suggest you start peeking into the nuvexport code |
| [13:57:08] | PsychoI3oy: | I transcode recordings so I DON'T have to pirate them to watch at work |
| [13:57:11] | justinh: | or report it as a bug & see if you can help fix it |
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| [13:58:10] | PsychoI3oy: | I take that back, there are references to others having the same problem, but no solutions |
| [13:58:18] | PsychoI3oy: | http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8 . . . 76fd0d35e21a |
| [13:58:34] | justinh: | the solution is pretty simple |
| [13:58:50] | PsychoI3oy: | hax perl |
| [13:58:53] | justinh: | parse the stream to get the one you want, and tell the transcoder (ffmpeg or transcode) to use it |
| [13:59:09] | PsychoI3oy: | mencoder, actually |
| [13:59:17] | justinh: | you have a choice ;) |
| [13:59:22] | PsychoI3oy: | yeah |
| [13:59:31] | PsychoI3oy: | I think I'll wait till I rebuild the mythbox |
| [13:59:50] | justinh: | good grief this is a complete 1st person nightmare |
| [13:59:56] | PsychoI3oy: | I've lived with it for a while |
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| [14:00:09] | PsychoI3oy: | what, the nuvexport wiki page? |
| [14:01:01] | justinh: | FFS they don't have blather on about sod all |
| [14:01:07] | justinh: | s/have/half |
| [14:01:44] | PsychoI3oy: | maybe I should try to get ffmpeg working again, that was always faster at transcoding and I don't remember having this problem with it |
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| [14:03:08] | justinh: | sometimes I still wish you could send a punch in the face over the internet |
| [14:03:28] | PsychoI3oy: | I manage the bugtracker for a very popular Android rom, you have no idea |
| [14:03:42] | justinh: | sheesh. that page has had well over 500 edits in its lifetime |
| [14:04:09] | justinh: | sigh. every time I see stuff like that I lose faith in wikis :) |
| [14:04:28] | PsychoI3oy: | the trick is to watch the 'recent changes' like a hawk |
| [14:04:40] | Beirdo: | note to self... ESPN Fantasy sports is SLooooooow over TOR |
| [14:04:41] | PsychoI3oy: | though as big as myth is, that'd get ... tedious |
| [14:05:16] | justinh: | it often does, apparently :) |
| [14:05:37] | Beirdo: | PsychoI3oy: what's yer issue? |
| [14:05:40] | Beirdo: | I was away |
| [14:05:54] | Beirdo: | and is there a bug posted for it? :) |
| [14:05:57] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, SAP getting picked up on nuvexport instead of primary audio |
| [14:06:08] | PsychoI3oy: | unless one's been posted somewhere that google can't see, I don't think so |
| [14:06:13] | Beirdo: | OK, which transcode mechanism? |
| [14:06:25] | PsychoI3oy: | mencoder |
| [14:06:43] | PsychoI3oy: | (if that's what you're asking) |
| [14:06:44] | justinh: | isn't mencoder based on the same code as ffmpeg anyway? |
| [14:06:50] | PsychoI3oy: | i dunno |
| [14:06:57] | Beirdo: | it is what I was asking, yes |
| [14:07:06] | Beirdo: | justinh: partially, depends on codecs |
| [14:07:14] | justinh: | ah |
| [14:07:34] | PsychoI3oy: | ssh <desktop/frontend> /usr/local/bin/nuvexport --xvid --nice 10 --mencoder --nodenoise --quantization 3 --a_bitrate 256 --path /home/mythtv/tv --input="%FILE%" |
| [14:07:34] | justinh: | I build my own ffmpeg here, works like a charm. not putting up with ubuntu-crippled-ffmpeg |
| [14:07:47] | Beirdo: | PsychoI3oy: I assume that it's reproducable with your recordings? |
| [14:07:49] | PsychoI3oy: | i'm on gentoo |
| [14:08:06] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, it's random which it does but I think it's consistent with any given recording |
| [14:08:12] | PsychoI3oy: | I can test |
| [14:08:34] | PsychoI3oy: | I have the backend sshing into my desktop to run the nuvexport because the CPU is much mobetta on the desktop |
| [14:08:35] | sid3windr: | Beirdo: everything is slow over tor isn't it |
| [14:08:38] | Beirdo: | OK, if I can't get it to happen, I may ask for a short sample recording that has the issue so I can hunt down the culprit |
| [14:08:43] | Beirdo: | sid3windr: true |
| [14:08:44] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [14:08:53] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, bleh, i just deleted the bad one, sorry |
| [14:08:58] | PsychoI3oy: | lemme try running the job again |
| [14:09:08] | justinh: | sounds like it's mencoder's fault anyway |
| [14:09:10] | Beirdo: | PsychoI3oy: could you open a bug ticket when it reoccurs reproducably? |
| [14:09:27] | justinh: | any fix put into nuvexport would only be a workaround IMHO |
| [14:09:28] | Beirdo: | it likely is, but we may be able to be more specific when calling mencoder to fix it |
| [14:09:34] | PsychoI3oy: | justinh, I'm willing to accept that |
| [14:09:35] | justinh: | ah I see :) |
| [14:10:21] | justinh: | I hate it when the commandline media mangling tools change their options & stuff |
| [14:10:30] | justinh: | often for no real good reason too |
| [14:10:36] | Beirdo: | oh, ffmpeg is hell for that |
| [14:10:48] | justinh: | other than "because we can can can", I mean |
| [14:11:18] | PsychoI3oy: | yup, this time I ran it and it's still doing it |
| [14:11:18] | Beirdo: | OK, team owner invited. |
| [14:11:27] | justinh: | though AFAIK ffmpeg hasn't changed much in the last couple of years I've been using it, to be fair |
| [14:11:39] | Beirdo: | now I either need two more team owners or to delete one team before Sunday |
| [14:11:40] | PsychoI3oy: | lemme set up a cutlist so you don't have to sit through a minute of commercials at the beginning |
| [14:12:03] | Beirdo: | oh it has, justinh :) |
| [14:12:10] | Beirdo: | heh, just not by much |
| [14:12:20] | Beirdo: | it's busted nuvexport repeatedly |
| [14:12:26] | justinh: | don't mind em adding new stuff |
| [14:12:45] | justinh: | but when things like bitrate signifiers change etc.. that's when it grinds my gears |
| [14:12:47] | Beirdo: | I do when they change the commandline for the old stuff in the process :) |
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| [14:13:20] | justinh: | there are 26 letters in our alphabet.. how many options do they want? ;-) |
| [14:14:43] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, you want a chunk of the transcoded video, right? |
| [14:15:25] | Beirdo: | well, I'm looking more for a chunk of original video that causes nuvexport output that's not right :) |
| [14:15:28] | justinh: | crap. the belligerent blue bike shed? BLUE?! Meh. Everybody knows it should be green |
| [14:15:44] | Beirdo: | so I can rerun the nuvexport while fixing it to be sure I got it right |
| [14:15:53] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, that makes more sense now that I think about it; how should I chunk the original so as not to damage it? |
| [14:16:35] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [14:16:59] | Beirdo: | if it's always a particular show, maybe do a manual 5min recording of the show? |
| [14:17:03] | Beirdo: | very good question |
| [14:17:18] | PsychoI3oy: | oh weird, the chunk I just transcoded doesn't have the problem |
| [14:17:45] | PsychoI3oy: | it's always a particular channel, but not consistent |
| [14:17:55] | Beirdo: | I don't doubt that there will be a pathologically bad video somewhere, but I've never seen it happen here. |
| [14:18:18] | PsychoI3oy: | e.g. last night's NCIS has the issue but NCIS:LA (recorded right after on the same channel/card/etc.) doesn't |
| [14:18:22] | PsychoI3oy: | some nights both have it |
| [14:19:00] | Beirdo: | beautiful |
| [14:19:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:19:18] | PsychoI3oy: | some nights neither have it |
| [14:19:19] | PsychoI3oy: | but if all it takes to make it work is a cut of the very beginning ads, I can live with it I think |
| [14:19:31] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [14:19:59] | Beirdo: | I guess if you are around in the evening, I can dream up some things to try on a bad recording to get info that might help isolate the issue |
| [14:20:11] | PsychoI3oy: | the problem is that CBS tends to be a minute or two early, so I start the first one early and the second on time |
| [14:20:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:20:34] | PsychoI3oy: | so if i cut the first few frames/seconds off the second one, i'd miss more, but I guess that works |
| [14:20:35] | Beirdo: | CBS... crazy network |
| [14:20:57] | PsychoI3oy: | and of course CBS isn't on hulu and their web player disagrees with our work computers; fancast is hit-or-miss |
| [14:21:01] | justinh: | bleh. a minute early? is that all? |
| [14:21:13] | PsychoI3oy: | (yes, I'm watching TV at work; I'm a graveyard shift security guard) |
| [14:21:37] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [14:21:49] | justinh: | I think I'm going to start looking seriously at integrating EIT data with xmltv |
| [14:22:18] | Beirdo: | justinh: any news on radiotimes buggering off? |
| [14:22:30] | justinh: | no, don't spose there will be for aeons yet |
| [14:22:38] | PsychoI3oy: | other random possibly unsupported question since I'm here: any reason mencoder isn't taking all of at least one core in the last 6 months? |
| [14:23:03] | Beirdo: | who knows. mplayer is a mystery to all :) |
| [14:23:32] | PsychoI3oy: | last tv season i could run two transcodes and it'd peg the dualcore cpu and be done in about an hour; lately it's fluctuating from 25–75% and takes forever |
| [14:24:00] | Beirdo: | well, I don't know what to suggest. |
| [14:24:00] | PsychoI3oy: | bleh, maybe I'll just figure out why ffmpeg isn't working |
| [14:24:05] | PsychoI3oy: | fair enough |
| [14:24:14] | Beirdo: | that would be good. ffmpeg is pretty decent usually |
| [14:24:43] | Beirdo: | if you are using nuvexport from trunk... you need at least jaunty if using ubuntu ffmpeg |
| [14:24:49] | justinh: | PsychoI3oy: maybe your ffmpeg version is too old/new for the version of nuvexport you've got |
| [14:24:50] | PsychoI3oy: | gentoo |
| [14:24:58] | PsychoI3oy: | justinh, i seem to remember something about that |
| [14:25:01] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [14:25:08] | Beirdo: | it needs 0.5, basically |
| [14:25:24] | justinh: | they change commandline options as often as their socks |
| [14:25:31] | Beirdo: | if you have something too new, we can work on translating yet more commandline options |
| [14:25:38] | Beirdo: | more than their socks, I think |
| [14:25:38] | PsychoI3oy: | Latest version installed: 0.5_p20373 |
| [14:25:45] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:26:10] | PsychoI3oy: | * media-tv/mythtv Latest version installed: 0.22_p23069 |
| [14:26:24] | Beirdo: | it's annoying, and makes me want to integrate differently... |
| [14:26:33] | justinh: | the part of me which hates ubuntu misses gentoo |
| [14:26:33] | PsychoI3oy: | use a bigger hammer |
| [14:26:49] | Beirdo: | hmm, not sure when the nuvexport code changed to deal with 0.5 |
| [14:27:06] | justinh: | Beirdo: the alternative is to make mythtranscode work with other codecs :D |
| [14:27:19] | Beirdo: | justinh: that's a buttload of work |
| [14:27:29] | Beirdo: | and also, the settings... oy! |
| [14:27:31] | PsychoI3oy: | oh |
| [14:27:35] | PsychoI3oy: | it appears ffmpeg does work |
| [14:27:39] | justinh: | yeah but you'd be promoted to sainthood immediately |
| [14:27:52] | Beirdo: | nuvexport does more than just run ffmpeg, it also lets you crop, etc |
| [14:27:52] | PsychoI3oy: | and it's pegging a core |
| [14:28:09] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, yeah, i'm running ffmpeg from within nuvexport |
| [14:28:11] | justinh: | new plugin! |
| [14:28:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, I have other fish to fry first, but it may happen eventually, justinh |
| [14:28:28] | PsychoI3oy: | it was failing at some point, some update must have fixed it |
| [14:28:38] | Beirdo: | PsychoI3oy: cool, let's hope IT behaves. worked pretty well for me last night -> VCD |
| [14:28:55] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna run it through its paces again soon |
| [14:29:06] | Beirdo: | and also transcode and mencoder :) |
| [14:29:14] | PsychoI3oy: | I'm going from 1080i to 512p xvid |
| [14:29:28] | Beirdo: | but... had to upgrade to get a newer transcode anyways |
| [14:29:33] | justinh: | 512p? |
| [14:29:36] | Beirdo: | cool. |
| [14:29:45] | PsychoI3oy: | chugging along at 20fps, but .... I don't see any network activity |
| [14:29:49] | Beirdo: | xvid is nearly always progressive, justinh :) |
| [14:29:57] | justinh: | just wondering about the 512 |
| [14:30:06] | Beirdo: | heh, fair enough |
| [14:30:19] | PsychoI3oy: | justinh, looks good enough and keeps filesize down |
| [14:30:23] | justinh: | seems an odd number, is all :) |
| [14:30:33] | PsychoI3oy: | it's a multiple of 16 |
| [14:30:40] | justinh: | duh |
| [14:30:41] | Beirdo: | I bet it would be faster at 540 |
| [14:30:42] | justinh: | :) |
| [14:30:54] | Beirdo: | assuming it's the proper multiple |
| [14:30:57] | PsychoI3oy: | Beirdo, hmm, interesting thought |
| [14:31:02] | Beirdo: | I don't feel like calculating |
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| [14:31:19] | Beirdo: | the resize algorithms likely would like you more :) |
| [14:31:21] | PsychoI3oy: | wtf is this thing transcoding, it's not pulling anything off the backend |
| [14:31:38] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it is |
| [14:31:58] | justinh: | just 20fps won't equate to that much traffic |
| [14:32:24] | PsychoI3oy: | it's peaking at 9.4K/sec over the network |
| [14:32:26] | Beirdo: | I got 103fps last night doing 720x480 MPEG2 -> VCD :) |
| [14:32:37] | PsychoI3oy: | hdd on the backend's not reading |
| [14:32:47] | Beirdo: | it may be in filesystem cache |
| [14:32:49] | ** PsychoI3oy <3 gkrellm ** | |
| [14:32:53] | PsychoI3oy: | must be |
| [14:33:15] | Beirdo: | or maybe your measurement technique is slightly borked : |
| [14:33:16] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:33:18] | justinh: | grr Amazon, breaking albumart downloaders |
| [14:33:20] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [14:33:31] | Beirdo: | justinh: sue em |
| [14:33:53] | PsychoI3oy: | ffmpeg transcode from the beginning does not have the SAP issue |
| [14:33:54] | justinh: | they've got an API, but closed it to only approved apps |
| [14:34:08] | PsychoI3oy: | blegh, q3 looks like crap on my 22" monitor |
| [14:34:10] | Beirdo: | what would you need to do to get approved? |
| [14:34:21] | justinh: | Beirdo: show 'buy this' links in your app I think |
| [14:34:24] | Beirdo: | butt kissing as a minimum, I'm sure |
| [14:34:26] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [14:34:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:34:43] | justinh: | bit pointless approving a OSS app innit |
| [14:34:43] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [14:34:52] | justinh: | I could just rip out the line where the ads are shown ;) |
| [14:35:06] | sid3windr: | ./configure --without-crap |
| [14:35:09] | Beirdo: | yeah well. and they could just revoke the app key |
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| [14:35:57] | justinh: | they could revoke the app key, sure. but it wouldn't be *my* app :) |
| [14:36:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [14:37:17] | justinh: | hmm I wonder if discogs have an API. they seem to have a lot of artwork I'm after |
| [14:38:04] | justinh: | oh nice! |
| [14:38:10] | justinh: | http://www.discogs.com/help/api |
| [14:38:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:38:20] | justinh: | hey.. hello! Mythmusic? |
| [14:38:35] | Beirdo: | we await yer patches |
| [14:38:49] | justinh: | that'd be kinda neat :) |
| [14:38:59] | Beirdo: | it would |
| [14:39:11] | Beirdo: | I'd like to see that, myself |
| [14:39:26] | justinh: | is there a way to get the ISRC or whatever code off a CD? |
| [14:39:36] | justinh: | such a pity freedb doesn't do artwork |
| [14:40:09] | justinh: | musicbrainz does I think, but they're a royal pain. I've tried submitting stuff to them in the past |
| [14:40:18] | Beirdo: | I think you can with some CDROMs |
| [14:41:23] | justinh: | hahaha musicbrainz links to amazon to get the artwork |
| [14:42:17] | tripppy: | anyone netbooting frontends? |
| [14:42:31] | justinh: | what I *really* like about musicbrainz is the audio profiling they do |
| [14:42:40] | justinh: | tripppy: yes thanks |
| [14:45:03] | tripppy: | what is the fronend? minimyth? |
| [14:45:38] | justinh: | hahaha no |
| [14:46:36] | justinh: | I used to, but I changed hardware so no longer could run it |
| [14:47:21] | tripppy: | what you using now? |
| [14:48:03] | Beirdo: | shrooms |
| [14:48:08] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
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| [14:49:17] | tripppy: | justinh, what are you using now? |
| [14:51:53] | justinh: | crack |
| [14:52:09] | justinh: | it's less damaging than minimyth |
| [14:52:26] | justinh: | (have you seen the config files?) |
| [14:52:43] | Beirdo: | I don't wanna work.. |
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| [14:53:16] | Beirdo: | I just wanna bang on the drum all day. |
| [14:53:26] | Beirdo: | ugh. need music. |
| [14:53:36] | tripppy: | eh, so you dont run diskless frontends? |
| [14:53:37] | justinh: | tripppy: I installed mythbuntu on a HDD, hacked it to pieces, copied it to an NFS share, make an initrd thingy & away it goes :) |
| [14:53:45] | tripppy: | oh |
| [14:53:45] | tripppy: | ok |
| [14:53:56] | tripppy: | thanks i was thinking that was what i had to do |
| [14:54:09] | tripppy: | minimyth looks yuk |
| [14:54:21] | PsychoI3oy: | alright thanks justinh and Beirdo |
| [14:54:28] | justinh: | it's okay, is minimyth |
| [14:54:29] | Daviey: | justinh: if you did want to try our LTSP diskless stuff, that would be awesome |
| [14:54:34] | Beirdo: | no problem, PsychoI3oy |
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| [14:54:52] | justinh: | Daviey: I can't remember exactly what I hacked out/in now |
| [14:54:58] | Beirdo: | if you find a particularly bad recording (with mencoder), I'm still interested to make it work |
| [14:55:01] | Beirdo: | crap, blah |
| [14:55:05] | justinh: | I think I mostly messed around with init, removing stuff I didn't need |
| [14:55:09] | Daviey: | justinh: don't touch it, it'll explode! :) |
| [14:55:23] | justinh: | and added a nasty hack to mess about with my tvout settings |
| [14:55:23] | tripppy: | slax has a pxe server built in. i was trying to hack that... |
| [14:55:26] | tripppy: | night |
| [14:55:37] | justinh: | pxe server isn't hard to set up man. yikes |
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| [14:55:47] | Beirdo: | I need more volume on my stupid iPhone |
| [14:55:49] | ** Daviey points out there is no such thing as a PXE server. :) ** | |
| [14:55:57] | justinh: | well, tftp server then ;) |
| [14:56:06] | Daviey: | <-- pedant. |
| [14:56:25] | Beirdo: | !trout Daviey pedantic |
| [14:56:25] | ** MythLogBot slaps Daviey with a pedantic trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [14:56:28] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:56:32] | Daviey: | heh |
| [14:56:57] | Beirdo: | ewww. ramen noodles at 11am?! |
| [14:56:57] | justinh: | oh yeah I stopped the control centre running aswell. I think that was about it though |
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| [14:57:29] | justinh: | never did get around to finding a nicer way to control intel tv out parameters. meh, so little time for anything |
| [14:57:48] | Beirdo: | so little time |
| [14:58:00] | justinh: | it's a bugger having to change modes to get a change in tv encoder settings to take |
| [14:58:49] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I need to buy an amp after I move. I feel like picking up my bass again and actually finishing some lessons :) |
| [14:59:06] | Beirdo: | speaking of so little time :) |
| [15:00:04] | Beirdo: | http://www.ibanez.com/BassGuitars/model-GSR200 |
| [15:00:27] | Beirdo: | mine only has three knobs though (slightly earlier revision) |
| [15:00:32] | justinh: | ironic isn't it, that amazon album art grabbers want you to look at a 'buy this' link for something you already own :P |
| [15:00:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, silly amazon |
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| [15:01:53] | justinh: | heh "The only green I'll be sporting today will be soylent. Mmmmm. Made from peoples :-)" |
| [15:02:18] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [15:02:29] | ** Beirdo checks.. yup no green on me ** | |
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| [15:10:19] | justinh: | ooo aria.co.uk have a 6 core CPU on today for less than 900 quids! |
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| [15:18:47] | oobe: | you could buy a motherboard that supports 2 cpu sockets and 2 quad cores for less than that |
| [15:19:04] | oobe: | then you could have octicore |
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| [15:19:45] | justinh: | really? ZOMG! :-O |
| [15:20:00] | iamlindoro: | I'm going to need a machete for this sarcasm |
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| [15:21:19] | [Peter]: | oobe: depending on what you want to do, 2*quad core will be inferior to a 6 core CPU |
| [15:21:29] | [Peter]: | s/will/could/ |
| [15:21:30] | oobe: | really ? |
| [15:21:37] | oobe: | why is that |
| [15:22:00] | oobe: | does the bus speed get halfed with 2x cpu's |
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| [15:22:13] | [Peter]: | oobe: you get really bad cache effects if both packages access the same memory |
| [15:23:05] | oobe: | i havent seen many modern mobos with 2x cpu sockets |
| [15:23:24] | [Peter]: | oobe: you actually had the same problem with the first quad core CPUs which in reality was 2 dual cores in the same package. but they still had to use the system bus when the two halves needed to communicate |
| [15:23:26] | oobe: | mind you i havent been looking |
| [15:23:33] | [Peter]: | oobe: lots of server boards |
| [15:24:47] | oobe: | ok that is what i thought the bus speed gets accessed by 2 different devices which would effectively half the throughput |
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| [15:27:20] | justinh: | probably less than half actually :) |
| [15:29:21] | [Peter]: | justinh: slightly less than half for the stuff we tried. (network packet processing) |
| [15:30:16] | [Peter]: | the new nahelem based quad cores rock however. except for a small chipset issue. |
| [15:30:52] | oobe: | are there mobos that take more that 2 cpus |
| [15:30:56] | oobe: | like 4 cpus |
| [15:31:26] | [Peter]: | 4 should be available |
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| [15:31:51] | oobe: | imagine 4x 6core cpu's with a really fast fsb and 64GB of ram |
| [15:32:04] | oobe: | for light web browsing and checking emails |
| [15:32:40] | AndyCap: | oobe: and a second mortgage on the house |
| [15:33:08] | [Peter]: | and a nuclear plant in the basement |
| [15:33:21] | oobe: | yea lol |
| [15:33:21] | sphery: | oobe: why stop there? http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/03/03/48-cores-contest/ |
| [15:33:27] | Beirdo: | heh, a big diesel genset in the back yard should do |
| [15:33:28] | oobe: | wow |
| [15:34:02] | AndyCap: | sphery: ah, yeah, the "free" white elephant |
| [15:34:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [15:34:09] | oobe: | gee wilikers AMD Opteronâ„¢ processors Model 6174, 12-core (2.2 GHz) |
| [15:34:17] | sphery: | even free, I wouldn't want to power that thing |
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| [15:35:06] | justinh: | sphery: sure clever could lend you a few batteries ;)# |
| [15:35:15] | sphery: | A system with a single 65W TDP proc is expensive enough. |
| [15:35:36] | sphery: | justinh: could I hook one set of batteries up to the other so I don't have to pay for electricity? |
| [15:35:44] | justinh: | sure |
| [15:35:50] | sphery: | sweet! |
| [15:36:03] | justinh: | better yet, hook a motor up to the batteries & have it driving a generator |
| [15:36:20] | justinh: | add a crank to start it & wahey – self-generating electrickery! |
| [15:37:05] | AndyCap: | justinh: that won't work, you don't have any crystals in the solution |
| [15:37:26] | sphery: | and here I thought I'd have to buy one of those water-fueled generators on the Internet |
| [15:37:56] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I am not sure what geographic restrictions apply, but might be worth a shot: http://www.hbo.com/the-pacific/episodes/0/01- . . . episode.html |
| [15:38:41] | AndyCap: | sphery: you can just have the water sent to you wirelessly. http://galactic21.no-ip.com/permj/s_i44b.gif |
| [15:39:06] | sphery: | wow |
| [15:39:33] | sphery: | I see how it works--it sends the water using waves. |
| [15:39:43] | sphery: | surprised no one thought of that before |
| [15:40:22] | AndyCap: | sphery: oh, but he has compleat schematics http://galactic21.no-ip.com/permj/s_i46b.gif http://galactic21.no-ip.com/torealf/tekno.html looks like he only translated the page and not the schematics. :/ |
| [15:41:07] | sphery: | AMD's mailer "Keep it Green with AMD and these St. Patrick's Day offers!" sure has a lot of (ATI) red in it. |
| [15:41:53] | Beirdo: | oooh. Ratt – Round and Round |
| [15:42:06] | Beirdo: | they don't write music like they used to :) |
| [15:42:12] | AndyCap: | sphery: just flawed marketing or is ATI costing AMD a lot of money? |
| [15:42:26] | Beirdo: | why do I like metal with two lead guitars so much? |
| [15:42:37] | gbee: | heh, "sorry your browser doesn't meet the minimum requirements for viewing HBO.com", where requirements are Windows ... good job I'm using Opera then |
| [15:42:49] | ** gbee ticks the 'pretend to be IE' box ** | |
| [15:43:29] | gbee: | aww, now it just tells me that I'm a dirty foreigner and not allowed to watch |
| [15:43:36] | iamlindoro: | bah, was worth a shot |
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| [15:43:56] | iamlindoro: | kinda figured HBO was too clever for their own good, though |
| [15:45:23] | Beirdo: | gbee: ah well, get them and BBC to trade rights :) |
| [15:46:37] | ** sphery thinks you have to have at least some portion of your coast line on the Pacific to watch The Pacific--or you have to go on a trip ** | |
| [15:46:59] | Beirdo: | so it should let you watch it in Malaysia? :) |
| [15:47:01] | AndyCap: | sphery: eventually the water will drift into the atlantic |
| [15:47:23] | sphery: | we should tag the water so we can keep track of which is which |
| [15:47:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:47:41] | Beirdo: | get a grant. |
| [15:48:03] | sphery: | sad thing is it would probably be possible |
| [15:48:04] | Beirdo: | and then tax people for using "American water" |
| [15:49:15] | AndyCap: | sphery: without killing everyone with the radiation? :P |
| [15:49:49] | Beirdo: | shhh |
| [15:49:59] | Beirdo: | we don't care about that |
| [15:50:10] | AndyCap: | that would drive the chemtrails people nuts. |
| [15:50:17] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [15:50:23] | AndyCap: | oh, wait, they're already there |
| [15:50:26] | Beirdo: | they are already there, who are we kidding |
| [15:50:33] | sphery: | hey, who's in that black sedan that just pulled up out front? |
| [15:50:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:51:16] | Beirdo: | OK... Telelogic sucks |
| [15:51:23] | Beirdo: | why did IBM buy them? |
| [15:51:58] | Beirdo: | between DOORS and Rhapsody, I hate em |
| [15:52:10] | Beirdo: | stupid Swedish company :) |
| [15:53:35] | AndyCap: | ibm probably bought them to fill some checklist tickbox. :P |
| [15:53:41] | Beirdo: | likely |
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| [15:54:26] | AndyCap: | oh, you need a task-based version control system? sure, we have that. |
| [15:55:08] | Beirdo: | you need a laptop? sorry we split that off as a new company |
| [15:55:35] | Beirdo: | International Business Machines makes very few MACHINES anymore |
| [15:56:44] | Beirdo: | and most of those are gaming machines |
| [15:56:52] | AndyCap: | harr harr. |
| [15:56:56] | Beirdo: | i.e. the PowerPC in the Xbox360, etc |
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| [16:00:19] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v wagnerrp | |
| [16:03:05] | wagnerrp: | ibm still makes machines, its just only midrange servers and up |
| [16:03:51] | Beirdo: | yeah, but they are more branching into software and consultancy year over year |
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| [16:04:33] | Beirdo: | and their machine sales quantities are meager compared to before :) |
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| [16:04:40] | ThisOtherGuy: | Hi everybody |
| [16:04:47] | Beirdo: | oh no |
| [16:04:57] | wagnerrp: | they still do point-of-sale hardware? |
| [16:04:58] | Beirdo: | Shhh, he's from Newark. :) |
| [16:05:04] | wagnerrp: | whats with this wireless water? |
| [16:05:13] | Beirdo: | not sure about the POS. |
| [16:05:24] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: madness i say |
| [16:05:26] | Beirdo: | Heya ThisOtherGuy ... I'm just being silly |
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| [16:07:47] | jolaren: | I have this strange error where trying to view recordigns from my combined frontend/backend. Viewing the recordings from my netbook works fine tho |
| [16:08:01] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: you think? :P |
| [16:08:14] | jolaren: | I mean if watchin live tv from the combined frontend/backend works fine then it would be exactly the same for recordings |
| [16:08:14] | ThisOtherGuy: | Beirdo: Newark is a hell-hole I'm not offended :-) |
| [16:08:49] | wagnerrp: | dont worry, hes jealous.... Beirdo knows he wants that fios |
| [16:08:50] | Beirdo: | at least ya can get FIOS |
| [16:08:55] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [16:08:57] | jolaren: | what's fios? =) |
| [16:08:59] | ThisOtherGuy: | :D |
| [16:09:10] | Beirdo: | that'd be the ONLY reason to be in Newark I can think of off the top of my head :) |
| [16:09:13] | AndyCap: | jolaren: cisco's new fibre operating system. :P |
| [16:09:19] | jolaren: | oh |
| [16:09:21] | wagnerrp: | 'FIber Optic Service' |
| [16:09:22] | jolaren: | speeds? |
| [16:09:25] | jolaren: | yer I see |
| [16:09:27] | jolaren: | it's fiber optics |
| [16:09:37] | jolaren: | I've been running nothin but fiberoptics for the past 8 years |
| [16:09:38] | jolaren: | Hehe |
| [16:09:41] | wagnerrp: | whatever is needed to trounce the local cable co |
| [16:09:45] | ThisOtherGuy: | I actually don't live in Newark – I guess verizon just allocates IPs from there |
| [16:09:52] | AndyCap: | jolaren: I was joking about the cisco part though, in case that wasn't clear. |
| [16:09:53] | Beirdo: | curse Verizon for agreeing to stay outta Seatlle |
| [16:09:58] | Beirdo: | Seattle even |
| [16:10:02] | jolaren: | AndyCap, i reckoned |
| [16:10:09] | jolaren: | I couldn't live without my 120/120 mbits connections |
| [16:10:13] | Beirdo: | ThisOtherGuy: OK then :) |
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| [16:10:38] | ThisOtherGuy: | 120mb? That hurts my soul |
| [16:10:51] | jolaren: | Heh.. |
| [16:10:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah... yeah... i saw some report that even with our vastly lesser speeds, we still use more total bandwidth over here |
| [16:11:11] | jolaren: | your more people so that's not so strange? |
| [16:11:20] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: so you're saying that the guy with a "Receiver for faster than lightspeed waves based on pyramids." can't have gotten the wireless water schematics telepathetically from "the space people" ? |
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| [16:11:21] | wagnerrp: | i mean per person |
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| [16:11:32] | jolaren: | parted the channels with some strange hotkey |
| [16:11:38] | jolaren: | someoen responded I saw that but couldnt see the output |
| [16:11:39] | Beirdo: | jolaren: go to Malmo and egg Telelogic for me? Thanks. |
| [16:12:03] | jolaren: | Beirdo, What ya need from there? Ima visit Malmo next week |
| [16:12:11] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: considering his schematics include a circuit called a 'komputer'... i would say theyre incomplete |
| [16:12:16] | Beirdo: | I just hate Telelogic, that's all |
| [16:12:20] | Beirdo: | stupid DOORS |
| [16:12:21] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:12:41] | Beirdo: | and send me a Volvo P1800 :) |
| [16:12:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:12:48] | jolaren: | Haha |
| [16:13:43] | Beirdo: | although that's not Malmo |
| [16:13:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:13:59] | jolaren: | You can buy volvo everywhere tho |
| [16:14:00] | jolaren: | :P |
| [16:14:14] | Beirdo: | I know. the P1800 will likely be my next car. |
| [16:14:20] | Beirdo: | it's older than me |
| [16:14:21] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:14:28] | jolaren: | I'd go crazy if I moved to the US and was only offered adsl |
| [16:14:30] | jolaren: | or dsl |
| [16:14:34] | jolaren: | whatever you call it |
| [16:14:38] | AndyCap: | jolaren: dialup.. |
| [16:14:49] | Beirdo: | IP over carrier pigeon? |
| [16:15:00] | wagnerrp: | thats actually not a bad looking car... http://jimsgarage.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/volvo-p1800.jpg |
| [16:15:18] | AndyCap: | rfc1149? or the one with "tracing" |
| [16:15:18] | Beirdo: | they are great cars, wagnerrp :) |
| [16:15:22] | jolaren: | Beirdo, haha ip over carrier pideon ;P |
| [16:15:22] | Beirdo: | just OLD |
| [16:15:33] | highzeth: | Beirdo: you'll get it alot cheaper from the US, got 2 buds thats imported P1800 from US =) |
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| [16:15:53] | wagnerrp: | although theres something that just looks off about those tires |
| [16:15:54] | Beirdo: | well, I'm planning on moving to Seattle, which is a prime area for them |
| [16:16:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what it is, the wheels just dont seem to match |
| [16:16:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:17:03] | Beirdo: | unfortunately, I can't get to anything on wordpress.com so I don't know if that's stock wheels or not |
| [16:17:10] | Beirdo: | the wheels are rather narrow |
| [16:17:50] | Beirdo: | my dad had one in mustard yellow that was a 1972 I think |
| [16:17:50] | highzeth: | not original those |
| [16:18:02] | Beirdo: | highzeth: thanks :) |
| [16:18:25] | sphery: | would a mustard yellow car today actually be spicy brown |
| [16:18:34] | Beirdo: | heheeh. |
| [16:18:44] | Beirdo: | OK, French's mustard yellow |
| [16:18:54] | Beirdo: | it was hideous, but was original color |
| [16:19:11] | Beirdo: | looks better in black, red, grey |
| [16:19:14] | Beirdo: | IMHO |
| [16:19:15] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:19:27] | wagnerrp: | if you get a wagon, youre dead to me |
| [16:19:32] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [16:19:50] | Beirdo: | if I want a wagon, it won't be the P1800ES, I don't think |
| [16:20:06] | Beirdo: | wagons are good for camping trip haulage though |
| [16:20:18] | wagnerrp: | i mean they took an otherwise nice looking car, and make it UGLY |
| [16:20:22] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [16:20:32] | Beirdo: | it's fugly as a wagon |
| [16:20:44] | Beirdo: | looks great from the front, but... WOW. nasty butt |
| [16:21:05] | ** Beirdo knows some girls like that too ** | |
| [16:21:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [16:22:12] | justinh: | don't ever go to Runcorn then. they have them that look bad from all sides |
| [16:23:05] | highzeth: | Beirdo: http://file.ohhh.no/volvo_p1800.jpg thats one of the imported cars on the day of arrival |
| [16:23:31] | justinh: | whoah |
| [16:23:41] | Beirdo: | NICE |
| [16:23:46] | justinh: | I always had volvo down as some old man's coffin maker |
| [16:23:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:23:56] | Beirdo: | not the P1800 :) |
| [16:24:01] | highzeth: | yeah, he was *very* happy |
| [16:24:07] | highzeth: | nahh P1800 are wicked cars |
| [16:24:10] | Beirdo: | very similar styling to the Karman Ghia |
| [16:24:28] | Beirdo: | which would do too, but I'm partial to the Volvo :) |
| [16:24:28] | justinh: | what's it do, about 5 gallons to the mile? |
| [16:24:38] | highzeth: | I was *this* close to buying a Ghia, but after closer inspection it revealed its ugly side.. rust |
| [16:24:41] | Beirdo: | that's stock wheels, wagnerrp |
| [16:25:06] | Beirdo: | one set of stock wheels, they had fancier mag wheel style too |
| [16:25:31] | Beirdo: | rust plagues the 1800 too, unfortunately, if road salt is involved |
| [16:25:40] | highzeth: | yeah, those were perty much std on most models back then, my volvo 145(dont laugh) had those too |
| [16:25:44] | Beirdo: | my dad needed to replace both front fenders |
| [16:25:56] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't mind a 145 |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | or even a 122 |
| [16:26:03] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:26:03] | highzeth: | yeah, why they imported them, this one came from cali, not alot of salting of roads over there |
| [16:26:24] | sphery: | "if the selected recording has no preview"??? |
| [16:26:25] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [16:26:42] | ** Beirdo grew up with a Volvo-fiend father ** | |
| [16:26:47] | Beirdo: | he even had a 522 |
| [16:26:56] | Beirdo: | or 544? I forget the number |
| [16:27:01] | Beirdo: | the OLD one :) |
| [16:27:03] | highzeth: | my old man had a amazon at one point |
| [16:27:08] | Beirdo: | 544 sounds right |
| [16:27:30] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [16:27:38] | highzeth: | best cars you can find to be a greasemonkey on. You could sit in the engine room and tinker =P |
| [16:27:59] | Beirdo: | http://commons.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Volvo_544.jpg |
| [16:28:18] | highzeth: | now you are hardly allowed to change oil on cars. its going downhill fast |
| [16:28:21] | AndyCap: | oh. PV. |
| [16:28:39] | Beirdo: | pretty car... too bad they are so rare now :) |
| [16:28:55] | Beirdo: | aye. PV 544 |
| [16:29:02] | highzeth: | ah, indeed, not used the numbers for it, but PV I know by heart =) |
| [16:29:13] | highzeth: | great looking cars |
| [16:29:18] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [16:29:48] | Beirdo: | hard to find parts short of ipdusa.com these days I'm sure |
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| [16:30:18] | ikkeT: | hi, can someone explain what is in-vision subtitle? how does it differ from normal subtitles? |
| [16:31:24] | highzeth: | depends on the parts, chassis and "bling" might be, regular parts they used perty much the same on most models, so they are easy enough to get to |
| [16:31:36] | Beirdo: | true |
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| [16:33:47] | aputerboy: | I just wrote a (trivial) patch for bug #3641 which was closed a while back since nobody ever submitted a patch. However, I don't seem to have the "power" to reopen it. Does anybody here have that ability? |
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| [16:34:17] | aputerboy: | I have posted the patch and a brief comment anyway – but would like to flag it as 'open' so devs will see it |
| [16:34:23] | iamlindoro: | aputerboy: the find orphans script is being removed entirely, so it probably shouldn't be re=opened |
| [16:34:40] | aputerboy: | lol – wish i knew that before writing the patch |
| [16:34:50] | aputerboy: | but it still may be useful to users of 0.22 though |
| [16:34:54] | iamlindoro: | The code to replace it will be in the backend housekeeper process and is just waiting on the release to go into trunk |
| [16:36:37] | aputerboy: | oh well – at least it works for me now and for anybody else who cares to use the patch until trunk is updated |
| [16:36:49] | iamlindoro: | yep, sounds like a plan |
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| [16:56:04] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [16:56:14] | Beirdo: | 33 Euro... a bit pricy... |
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| [16:56:31] | Beirdo: | diecast (with opening doors, etc) red P1800S |
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| [16:59:02] | Beirdo: | justinh: if you've watched the 60s version of The Saint (with Roger Moore, I think) you got to see the P1800 :) |
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| [16:59:58] | Beirdo: | heya xris :) |
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| [17:04:47] | Dibblah: | AAAARGH. |
| [17:04:59] | Dibblah: | >Please post the entire log from startup. |
| [17:05:04] | Dibblah: | I do not think you'd want that. |
| [17:05:22] | Dibblah: | Yes, yes I bloody well would. That'll be why I *ASKED FOR IT*. |
| [17:05:48] | Dibblah: | (Udo. Dear Udo.) |
| [17:06:04] | ** gbee must have someone on ignore, either that or Dibblah has finally snapped ** | |
| [17:06:14] | Dibblah: | Users mailing list. |
| [17:06:31] | Dibblah: | It'd be funny if it wasn't tragic. |
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| [17:06:48] | Dibblah: | ... After that, he posts another snippet. |
| [17:07:15] | Dibblah: | And then is going to get the "whole world is conspiring against me" thing again. |
| [17:07:55] | sphery: | Dibblah: I'd bet to him "entire log" means the entire contents of the file--that he's never rotated since he originally started using MythTV |
| [17:08:17] | Dibblah: | I'm not bothering responding. |
| [17:08:24] | Dibblah: | He's had enough of my time. |
| [17:08:39] | sphery: | yeah, you've already shown more than your fair share of patience on helping him |
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| [17:09:12] | sphery: | IIRC, you've done most of the responses |
| [17:09:26] | sphery: | (or was Nick doing a bunch, too?) |
| [17:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: Hah, I was just making that same response |
| [17:09:32] | sphery: | either way |
| [17:09:48] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: to the "read the ticket howto, don't set milestone" ticket, that is |
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| [17:10:12] | Dibblah: | I bet that it's in fact running out of RAM. |
| [17:10:27] | Beirdo: | how about EWE? |
| [17:10:28] | sphery: | or I/O wait? |
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| [17:10:55] | Beirdo: | when in doubt, make a sheep joke :) |
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| [17:13:27] | iamlindoro: | there's always ruminant for a sheep joke |
| [17:13:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:13:57] | iamlindoro: | please don't lamb-baste me for that joke |
| [17:14:36] | iamlindoro: | the shear amount of thinking it took left me cloven in two |
| [17:15:03] | iamlindoro: | but I herd you guys like that kind of thing |
| [17:15:16] | Beirdo: | OMg |
| [17:15:23] | Beirdo: | Baaaaa |
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| [17:31:59] | wagnerrp: | bleh... dirty DSL modem |
| [17:32:17] | wagnerrp: | i need to set up some kind of pinger/auto-reboot |
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| [17:33:06] | Beirdo: | trout-o-matic |
| [17:33:20] | Beirdo: | SPLAT |
| [17:33:22] | jamesd2: | it sucks that something so simple yet every router/wifi maker i have seen fails at noticing the link being down... |
| [17:33:47] | wagnerrp: | thats because the link is still up |
| [17:33:59] | wagnerrp: | the router itself is hosed |
| [17:34:10] | wagnerrp: | router/modem |
| [17:35:02] | wagnerrp: | if the actual link were to drop, the modem would retrain itself within ~10 seconds |
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| [18:06:26] | justinh: | wagnerrp: sounds like what you need is some kind of remote power switching gumbo ;) |
| [18:07:48] | justinh: | Beirdo: I'm only old enough to have seen the Ian Ogilvy Saint |
| [18:08:10] | gbee: | who? |
| [18:08:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or if it's more time-based, you could use a lamp timer :) |
| [18:08:22] | justinh: | though IIRC ITV4 have been showing the originals ad infinitum alongside Space £19.99 |
| [18:08:54] | Beirdo: | heh, fair enough, but it coulda been on reruns for all I know :) |
| [18:09:12] | ** Beirdo is busily stealing nuvexport tickets from xris ** | |
| [18:10:35] | justinh: | rumour has it that said Return of The Saint actor was also MC at a nightclub in my hometown in the 1960s. I still find that hard to believe |
| [18:10:55] | gbee: | never quite understood The Saint |
| [18:11:30] | Beirdo: | me neither :) |
| [18:11:51] | justinh: | nor me, any of them including the spin-off |
| [18:12:07] | Beirdo: | just something to watch, I guess |
| [18:12:10] | justinh: | as a kid always associated the guy with the bloke from the Milk Tray ads |
| [18:12:10] | wagnerrp: | justinh: no... ive got telnet access to it |
| [18:12:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: that's the only kind of thievery encouraged in MythTV channels |
| [18:12:28] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:12:30] | sphery: | (stealing tickets and fixing them) |
| [18:12:44] | Beirdo: | you can steal people's hearts too maybe |
| [18:13:03] | wagnerrp: | but dont steal the cookie from the cookie jar |
| [18:13:10] | Beirdo: | who me? |
| [18:13:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:14:13] | wagnerrp: | i know i sent you that bash quote |
| [18:14:30] | ** kormoc starts filling a tub with ice, ready to steal some hearts ** | |
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| [18:15:15] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [18:15:25] | Beirdo: | yeah you did. it was funny :) |
| [18:15:37] | kormoc: | sounds like a answers.yahoo.com question, "So I have acquired a human heart. How do I contact the black market to sell it before my dad finds out I have it?" |
| [18:16:13] | Beirdo: | "put it back in his chest" |
| [18:21:14] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/google_black_market.png |
| [18:23:04] | wagnerrp: | on an unrelated note, mspaint now defaults to PNG |
| [18:23:13] | sphery: | no way? |
| [18:23:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, go figure that one out |
| [18:23:41] | sphery: | is it standard PNG or PNG with reserved bits used for MS-specific data storage? |
| [18:23:55] | wagnerrp: | see above image |
| [18:24:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: not loading for me for some reason |
| [18:24:13] | ** sphery wonders if wagnerrp's modem needs kicking, again ** | |
| [18:24:48] | wagnerrp: | wonder if my IP changed |
| [18:25:05] | justinh: | ah so maybe some of the themes I've seen lately *did* have their icons drawn in paint after all |
| [18:25:10] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [18:25:37] | sphery: | However, alpha channel transparency is still not supported because the GDI+ version of Paint can only handle up to 24-bit depth images. <- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_%28software%29 |
| [18:25:39] | justinh: | wordpress themes, I mean |
| [18:25:40] | wagnerrp: | http://66.42.242.161/images/random/google_black_market.png |
| [18:25:55] | sphery: | so, standard PNG, but no alpha... not bad |
| [18:26:08] | ** wagnerrp kicks his modem for being offline so long that his IP changed ** | |
| [18:26:26] | sphery: | maybe you should find the guy who got your other IP and take it back |
| [18:26:52] | sphery: | think of the Bill Gates takeover of Homer's small business |
| [18:27:20] | wagnerrp: | traceroute dies at the ISP core routers, seems it never got re-allocated |
| [18:28:29] | justinh: | bloody heck. stupid clubs I'm a 'fan' of couldn't promote their way out of a paper bag. Posting about stuff on *tonight* is just not good enough. Muppets |
| [18:29:09] | sphery: | I've always wondered what the e stands for in tracer out e |
| [18:29:25] | sphery: | east, maybe? |
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| [18:34:43] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [18:34:55] | gbee: | trace route |
| [18:35:20] | ** gbee suspects sphery was joking ** | |
| [18:35:20] | sphery: | yeah, didn't that guy on the youtube video call it tracer out e |
| [18:35:37] | gbee: | sphery: guess I haven't seen that one |
| [18:35:48] | wagnerrp: | is that the 'hacker' how explained how to 'hack mp3s right from a google search'? |
| [18:36:05] | sphery: | ah, he was on windows, so it was tracer-t |
| [18:36:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah... cant have those 9+ character commands now can we |
| [18:36:29] | sphery: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM |
| [18:37:06] | sphery: | How to view someones IP address and connection speed! |
| [18:37:09] | wagnerrp: | yes... same idoit |
| [18:37:44] | wagnerrp: | 'you cant do it without internet connection' |
| [18:38:06] | wagnerrp: | 'tracer-t' |
| [18:39:34] | justinh: | typical HP machine owner |
| [18:40:45] | sphery: | "how many IP's are looking at Google right now" |
| [18:40:59] | Beirdo: | ummm, almost all of em? :) |
| [18:41:12] | wagnerrp: | and latency is somehow your connection type |
| [18:41:16] | kormoc: | Beirdo: my toaster better not be! |
| [18:41:20] | wagnerrp: | higher numbers are better, as always |
| [18:41:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: he must love dialup |
| [18:41:32] | Beirdo: | kormoc: especially in a box :) |
| [18:41:42] | wagnerrp: | and its a shame that the one address got cut off |
| [18:41:54] | wagnerrp: | apparently he couldnt see it continued at the left side of the screen |
| [18:42:13] | wagnerrp: | man, showing him that property window that lets you resize 'c-m-d' would blow his mind |
| [18:42:26] | sphery: | "Request timed out" "I can't view because my connection's not as good as theirs." |
| [18:42:58] | sphery: | fwiw, ja ms posted this in here back in Jan |
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| [18:43:08] | sphery: | it was just as fun to watch back then |
| [18:43:40] | wagnerrp: | that wasnt fun, that was a crime against humanity |
| [18:43:52] | wagnerrp: | his parents should be sterilized to prevent another such accident |
| [18:44:34] | Beirdo: | but sterilizing siblings ain't nice |
| [18:45:09] | Beirdo: | his one set of grandparents would be disappointed |
| [18:45:18] | wagnerrp: | on the plus side, if he is typical of the 'next generation hacker', computer security will be dead easy |
| [18:47:32] | kormoc: | Look mom, I formatted c: and it formatted the internets! |
| [18:48:17] | wagnerrp: | hey, if you type '/quit' followed by someone's name, you can kick them off the IRCs |
| [18:49:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:49:07] | Beirdo: | now now |
| [18:49:31] | sphery: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHu1EM8CgY (desktop background may be NSFW in some places) |
| [18:49:33] | sphery: | How to view someones IP address and connection speed! On Linux! |
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| [18:49:46] | sphery: | (response to nextgenhacker's) |
| [18:50:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:51:24] | sphery: | "You don't always need VMWare to use Linux." "Most Macs have Linux builtin" |
| [18:51:45] | wagnerrp: | hes running linux? |
| [18:52:00] | sphery: | windows + VMWare + OpenSolaris, of course |
| [18:52:09] | wagnerrp: | still dont see linux |
| [18:52:26] | sphery: | that's the point |
| [18:53:30] | kormoc: | Linux is all around us man. It's the driving for of the interwebs man. Sit down, log in, breath the Linux... |
| [18:53:40] | kormoc: | *driving force |
| [18:53:49] | sphery: | bet you didn't know that ebay's password is only one character |
| [18:54:13] | ** kormoc guesses it's $ ** | |
| [18:54:23] | sphery: | stupid flash |
| [18:54:51] | sphery: | if I click anywhere on the current position marker on the slider, I lose all mouse input |
| [18:54:57] | sphery: | (to that Flash) |
| [18:55:14] | kormoc: | silly thing |
| [18:55:47] | kormoc: | you should submit a bug report about it... and mention xbmc's datacenter being hit by lightning |
| [18:55:48] | sphery: | actually, anywhere in the whole slider |
| [18:56:01] | sphery: | heh |
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| [19:00:08] | wagnerrp: | http://gizmodo.com/5493832 |
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| [19:06:09] | sphery: | uggg... 3D |
| [19:06:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but its a sensible person in the industry speaking out against it |
| [19:06:40] | sphery: | true |
| [19:06:49] | sphery: | unfortunately, not an exec, though |
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| [19:07:58] | sphery: | "The process of making a movie 3D after it was shot is a complicated and time consuming process" What??? It's built in to the new Sony 3D TV's. It does it on the fly! |
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| [19:12:37] | AndyCap: | sphery: isn't that mutually exclusive? like you have to get a sensibilectomy or something before getting a promoton. |
| [19:12:45] | AndyCap: | +i |
| [19:12:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:12:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:13:01] | Beirdo: | well if it's bad speeling, you get a raise :) |
| [19:13:22] | ** Beirdo is feeling evil ** | |
| [19:13:31] | Beirdo: | I should go reply to lusers on the mailing list |
| [19:13:34] | sphery: | Doctor, can I keep my sensible in a jar? |
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| [19:14:30] | gbee: | 3D is a silly gimmick to sell TVs, higher priced discs and subscription packages, it's being driven by execs who suddenly see the massive increase in profits that were driven by the switch to HD diminishing once everyone has the hardware |
| [19:15:17] | Beirdo: | oh NO, you have to make a new gimmick? :) |
| [19:15:39] | GreyFoxx: | smellovision |
| [19:15:53] | Beirdo: | Cheech & Chong would be good on that |
| [19:15:54] | sphery: | no joke, I thought the short longevity of new HDTV's was enough to drive repurchases |
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| [19:16:07] | ** gbee lays money that the fad will die hard once everyone truly appreciates that they'll need to sit watching TV with silly glasses all the time and see muted, unnatural colours as a result ** | |
| [19:16:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:16:20] | sphery: | I hope it dies |
| [19:16:20] | AndyCap: | sphery: but it will be a steady level of repurchases, not a growing one. :P |
| [19:16:23] | Beirdo: | and look like idiots :) |
| [19:17:00] | warlord2: | Hey, those glasses were cool once! |
| [19:17:05] | warlord2: | (like, back in the 50s?) |
| [19:17:42] | sphery: | Idiots? Do these guys look like idiots? http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1596 . . . uk-retailers |
| [19:18:09] | Beirdo: | heh, not gonna be typing that right now |
| [19:18:13] | Beirdo: | too long :) |
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| [19:18:27] | ** Beirdo shakes his fist at WebShell ** | |
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| [19:18:57] | sphery: | Beirdo: for you: http://tinyurl.com/y9fd2y2 or http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9fd2y2 |
| [19:19:20] | gbee: | sphery: what's that? The new Blues Brothers/Dawn of the Dead crossover movie? |
| [19:19:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:19:46] | sphery: | I thought they were reaching out to some Navi in Avatar... Female, likely. |
| [19:20:02] | AndyCap: | judging from my current upgrade rhythm I'll be due for a 3d monitor in 2032. |
| [19:20:06] | Beirdo: | 3d grope |
| [19:20:23] | Beirdo: | female HOPEFULLY :) |
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| [19:21:00] | sphery: | I thought I waited sufficiently long for an HDTV upgrade, but now I think I jumped the gun. |
| [19:21:06] | Beirdo: | and yes, they look like idiots :) |
| [19:21:33] | sphery: | So my punishment is to make my current TV work until they release a tech worth buying |
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| [19:22:14] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: and this is why I find it creepy when a Hustler exec talks about the "market penetration" of 3d |
| [19:22:30] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [19:22:35] | Beirdo: | oh jeez |
| [19:22:50] | Beirdo: | 3d pr0n |
| [19:22:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:23:27] | Beirdo: | hey YOU. stop doing naughty things to your TV, pervert! |
| [19:23:41] | Beirdo: | and take off those glasses |
| [19:23:47] | sphery: | I think 3D for games is somewhat reasonable, but for TV and movies at home is just plain wrong |
| [19:24:09] | AndyCap: | sphery: I'm sure people said that about colour as well |
| [19:24:23] | AndyCap: | but we'll adapt |
| [19:24:37] | sphery: | but color didn't require active glasses |
| [19:24:44] | AndyCap: | good thing that about humans, or we'd all be bonkers |
| [19:24:46] | sphery: | and didn't force LCD tech |
| [19:25:19] | sphery: | 3D TV is fine, if it's real 3D |
| [19:25:30] | AndyCap: | but is there any problem with flattening 3d to just one perspective? |
| [19:25:37] | sphery: | but "looks like 3D through tricks of light" is wrong |
| [19:26:25] | sphery: | and I don't watch TV with the hope of getting headaches, so... |
| [19:26:56] | AndyCap: | looks like motion through tricks of light. |
| [19:27:05] | Beirdo: | oh? Why else watch American Idol? |
| [19:27:37] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:28:03] | mag0o: | this would be cool if it could be worked out for multiple users http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw |
| [19:28:10] | gbee: | one of the significant contradictions of this 3D tech is that for the last few years manufacturers have boasted about the superb colour reproduction of their new HD LCD tvs, but having sold everyone on that they are now saying accurate and vibrant colours doesn't matter anymore if it means psuedo 3D instead |
| [19:28:11] | AndyCap: | sphery: anyhow, just hang back until the early adoptors have suffered the kinks, and then perhaps you can enjoy solid 3d® or the fad will be over |
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| [19:28:54] | AndyCap: | how many here bought a divx player btw? :P |
| [19:28:54] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: one of the guys at work rigged that up for use with our in-house data visualizer |
| [19:29:35] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, it worked better than the dual-projector polarized stereoscopic setup we have |
| [19:29:40] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: I did. It's called a laptop ;) |
| [19:29:45] | mag0o: | it's pretty cool looking |
| [19:29:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: he means the original hardware divx |
| [19:30:02] | wagnerrp: | from the late 90s |
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| [19:30:09] | Beirdo: | I know :) |
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| [20:36:10] | gbee: | HEADS UP – mythtv.org server, along with every service run from it (SVN, Mailing Lists, Wiki) will be offline for upgrades sometime in the next few hours |
| [20:36:15] | gbee: | do NOT panic |
| [20:36:37] | gbee: | do NOT email a developer to tell them that the server is down etc |
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| [20:39:10] | ** sphery takes his cue to watch TV with MythTV rather than work on MythTV ** | |
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| [20:42:25] | banyan: | Hello... I can't quite seem to get the issue worked out with streaming video on mythweb. I get the "<file> does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host." error, but the file is indeed there... |
| [20:42:35] | gbee: | sphery: well until nothing is going to happen until xris is around, estimated downtime is 5 minutes even when it does happen |
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| [20:44:15] | gbee: | the OSUOSL folks are obviously well practised at fast hardware upgrades :) |
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| [20:44:40] | wagnerrp: | gbee: thats a quick processor swap |
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| [20:45:01] | wagnerrp: | banyan: is this videos or recordings? |
| [20:45:13] | banyan: | recordings. |
| [20:45:21] | gbee: | wagnerrp: we'll see I guess, maybe I should check if they are aware that it includes two new procs |
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| [20:45:59] | sphery: | if they do swap an existing proc in 5mins, I'd like to see the video of it |
| [20:46:33] | sphery: | actually, since they'll likely switch HS/Fans with it, it's not so impressive |
| [20:46:50] | wagnerrp: | they must have some special grease excreting trawl to slather onto the processors |
| [20:47:05] | sphery: | like at the Jiffy Lube? |
| [20:47:28] | wagnerrp: | drop in the processors, one swipe, drop on the heatsinks, and the shield, and the cover, and screw it back on, and slide it in place |
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| [20:48:08] | wagnerrp: | id be surprised if the shutdown/boot process alone doesnt take most of that five minutes |
| [20:48:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:48:14] | ** sphery wonders if returning his Census form before Apr 1, 2010 would be illegal ** | |
| [20:48:34] | wagnerrp: | you fool! |
| [20:48:37] | ** Beirdo wonders where he'll be living come Census time ** | |
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| [20:49:27] | sphery: | I got my form today |
| [20:50:14] | sphery: | filled it out--because I'm pretty sure I won't have any new people living in my household in 14 days--but haven't sealed it, yet. |
| [20:50:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:51:15] | iamlindoro: | better open the results of your pregnancy tests before you seal it |
| [20:52:52] | sphery: | I knew I should have waited that extra 2 mins |
| [20:53:08] | sphery: | (what with my 9-day gestation period, and all :) |
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| [20:53:37] | wagnerrp: | hey, there are shows about people going to take a crap, and popping out a baby.... you never know |
| [20:54:00] | banyan: | talk about dropping the kids off at the pool, lol |
| [20:54:03] | wagnerrp: | talk about your pants fitting better afterwards |
| [20:54:09] | sphery: | I really hope that doesn't happn to me |
| [20:54:28] | sphery: | throwing out the baby with the bath(room) water? |
| [20:54:49] | wagnerrp: | it could happen, i saw Junior |
| [20:55:05] | banyan: | I'm starting to think I don't understand exactly what mythweb is trying to do when I click on the "ASX Stream" icon. |
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| [20:55:45] | sphery: | gives you a text-only file with the location (through the filesystem) to the original recording file |
| [20:55:47] | sphery: | TTBOMK |
| [20:56:09] | xris: | mythtv.org server downtime at 2PM PDT. |
| [20:56:12] | sphery: | it's up to you to make that file location actually accessible to the client on which th ebrowser is running |
| [20:56:42] | banyan: | ah, so your machine must be able to get at the file as a file, it doesn't really get streamed. |
| [20:56:48] | iamlindoro: | xris: ha, no time like the present |
| [20:57:25] | banyan: | there was some experimental stuff about making the files play in a flash player... |
| [20:58:41] | xris: | should hopefully only be down for 5 minutes. |
| [20:59:04] | wagnerrp: | so in like 2 minutes? |
| [20:59:18] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [20:59:39] | banyan: | I don't get the ASX file though. I get a message saying that the file doesn't exist. but it does. hmm. This might be a permissions thing? |
| [20:59:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i thought mythweb would now stream over the XML interface |
| [21:00:00] | wagnerrp: | or is that only for trunk? |
| [21:02:59] | sphery: | don't know |
| [21:03:03] | sphery: | seems to do it on trunk |
| [21:03:32] | wagnerrp: | halp meh! thar svns are down! |
| [21:03:55] | sphery: | oh, wait, I don't know if it does MythXML |
| [21:04:07] | ** gbee waits a minute to say "No it's not" ** | |
| [21:04:49] | sphery: | regardless, banyan , look at the URI it gives you and check to see if that URI is available |
| [21:05:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was using mythmusic a month or so ago, and i recall it pulling the content over http://backend:6544/Myth/GetMusic |
| [21:05:46] | wagnerrp: | dont know about the others though |
| [21:06:19] | gbee: | really? |
| [21:06:40] | wagnerrp: | mythmusic in mythweb |
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| [21:06:50] | sphery: | yeah, I use MythWeb for looking at listings/upcoming recordings and creating the occasional rule, and I watch TV with mythfrontend, so I don't have any idea how it works |
| [21:08:58] | wagnerrp: | the time of reacquisition, the time when the server was expected to come out of upgrade has come.. and gone. all any of us can do is listen and hope, were about to learn just how fast they can do a processor swap |
| [21:09:23] | gbee: | uhh, Houston, we have a problem |
| [21:09:29] | gbee: | or not |
| [21:11:27] | ** wagnerrp cheers ** | |
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| [21:14:05] | wagnerrp: | what were the old processors? just a pair of single core opterons? |
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| [21:16:52] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: single single core |
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| [21:17:48] | wagnerrp: | well thats going to make a big difference |
| [21:19:39] | gbee: | one single core 2Ghz, replace with 2x dual-core 2.6Ghz Opterons |
| [21:19:51] | gbee: | ram has gone up from 2GB to 16GB |
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| [21:22:01] | wagnerrp: | im half surprised you could still find S940 processors |
| [21:23:21] | xris: | wagnerrp: simech keeps a few old procs around just for this kind of situation. |
| [21:23:28] | xris: | RAM, too |
| [21:23:49] | banyan: | hmm, the pop-out player says "Stream not found" and it's pointing to http://frontend:80//mythweb/pl/stream/1038/1268558880.flv which I think means that PHP is supposed to crank the actual stream out. |
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| [21:24:17] | banyan: | The thumbnail does appear though. |
| [21:24:21] | sphery: | or perl |
| [21:24:33] | banyan: | on behalf of php. |
| [21:24:37] | sphery: | so they did have to reuse the heat sink... now I wish they had a video |
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| [21:25:16] | sphery: | banyan: the flash streaming requires that the mythweb host have a) ffmpeg with mp3 support installed, b) file system access to the recording, c) a beefy enough processor to transcode the recording in real time |
| [21:25:42] | Beirdo: | d) several goats or chickens sacrificed |
| [21:25:54] | gbee: | sphery: maybe,maybe not, I've no idea how many were supplied by SiMech in the box, but the OSL folks did pull one out of a drawer |
| [21:25:57] | janneg: | gbee: no, it was already a dual core |
| [21:26:17] | iamlindoro: | and if you are using trunk, then flash streaming is broken period right now and serves you right for using trunk ;) |
| [21:26:42] | banyan: | I should see some squaulking in the backend log...? |
| [21:27:09] | iamlindoro: | are you using trunk? |
| [21:27:34] | kormoc: | banyan: that's a perl handler and it'd be in the apache logs if it failed |
| [21:27:37] | banyan: | I am using fedora rpm packages, so I am probably a ways behind trunk. |
| [21:28:06] | iamlindoro: | fedora rpm packages come in trunk and release varieties, AFAIK |
| [21:28:11] | gbee: | janneg: well google confirms the 270 was dual core, I was going with what kormoc and others had said |
| [21:28:12] | sphery: | gbee: ah, I just saw xris say, "and yeah, they were even slowed down by lack of a second cpu heatsink...." so I assumed reuse |
| [21:28:25] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, forgot that part |
| [21:28:33] | kormoc: | whoops! |
| [21:28:55] | banyan: | mythtv-backend-0.22–5.fc12.i686 |
| [21:29:19] | banyan: | tags/release-0–22 |
| [21:29:27] | iamlindoro: | ewwww, release-0–22 |
| [21:29:43] | iamlindoro: | should be using fixes, FWIW |
| [21:30:08] | iamlindoro: | anyway, then yes, one of sphery's above caveats are likely involved |
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| [21:32:00] | Beirdo: | don't forget the goat/chicken |
| [21:32:01] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:32:09] | iamlindoro: | or that |
| [21:32:14] | Beirdo: | mmmm, goat curry |
| [21:32:18] | Beirdo: | been a while |
| [21:32:47] | banyan: | ah, well, maybe this is a feature that I'll just wait for. I kind of like running off the packages so I get auto-updated and there aren't any surprises about dependencies. |
| [21:33:04] | Beirdo: | one would hope :) |
| [21:33:43] | iamlindoro: | It's an unsupported feature anyway, ergo the red box telling you we don't support it ;) |
| [21:34:42] | kormoc: | banyan: likely you need ffmpeg with mp3 support |
| [21:35:00] | kormoc: | banyan: which means you need a non-standard repo enabled to get it |
| [21:35:05] | banyan: | well, thanks for the hints anyway. Hey, where should I find the apache log (on fedora 12)? /var/log/httpd/access.log? |
| [21:35:14] | sphery: | banyan: Fedora has mythtv 0.22-fixes packages |
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| [21:36:02] | kormoc: | banyan: that's a access log, you want error.log or similar |
| [21:36:14] | sphery: | I'd guess that they also have a ffmpeg with MP3 specifically for MythTV users--but in a different repo, as kormoc mentioned |
| [21:36:28] | banyan: | And even after installing the new packages I would have to copy the /usr/share/mythweb stuff over to /var/www/html/mythweb/* iirc. |
| [21:36:59] | Beirdo: | hey kormoc.... yer cert on your site expired Jan 26 :) |
| [21:37:06] | kormoc: | yup! |
| [21:37:19] | kormoc: | cause I have http access so didn't need to keep a valid https anymore :P |
| [21:37:35] | Beirdo: | K |
| [21:37:41] | kormoc: | (and I've been updating things everywhere to point to http vs the old https |
| [21:37:45] | Beirdo: | just thought you might be interested in case |
| [21:37:53] | Beirdo: | xris' site points at the https |
| [21:37:54] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:37:58] | kormoc: | ahh! |
| [21:38:03] | kormoc: | silly xris! |
| [21:38:11] | xris: | my site? |
| [21:38:17] | xris: | where do I link to his site? |
| [21:38:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:38:29] | banyan: | so, I see here that my python version is 2.6.2 rather than 2.6 which I assume is a trivial message. |
| [21:38:39] | Beirdo: | on /links/ |
| [21:39:05] | kormoc: | banyan: we don't use python! |
| [21:39:10] | ** kormoc hisses... like a snake... ** | |
| [21:39:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:39:34] | Beirdo: | anaconda, perhaps? |
| [21:39:36] | banyan: | I have it enabled for usage, I believe. |
| [21:39:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:39:45] | kormoc: | banyan: it's not mythweb that's using it |
| [21:39:59] | iamlindoro: | It's flowplayer, I believe |
| [21:40:08] | kormoc: | flowplayer is python? |
| [21:40:09] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:40:53] | ** Beirdo smokes his pen ** | |
| [21:41:04] | Beirdo: | I never did get a cigar. argh |
| [21:41:30] | iamlindoro: | I get python deprecation messages in my apache error log every time the player inits, so I had assumed so |
| [21:41:38] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:41:45] | kormoc: | it really shouldn't be attempting that |
| [21:41:59] | ** kormoc evil eyes flowplayer ** | |
| [21:45:27] | iamlindoro: | I could be misinterpreting, of course, All this was gleaned in like five minutes weeks ago |
| [21:46:26] | iamlindoro: | and besides, I heard kormoc is nearly done rewriting mythweb in python anyway, so that should fit in perfectly |
| [21:46:33] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:46:48] | Beirdo: | snicker |
| [21:47:03] | banyan: | There must be something in some script that gets some python spawned out of the perl in the php when the flowplayer does its thing...? |
| [21:47:38] | kormoc: | shouldn't be anything at all that does that |
| [21:47:50] | kormoc: | unless ffmpeg is calling python |
| [21:48:27] | sphery: | maybe iamlindoro has collective-flowplayer installed so he can use it with Plone |
| [21:48:45] | iamlindoro: | Now you're just making up words |
| [21:49:11] | sphery: | I hear Apple's making a CMS for Mac OS. It's called the iPlone |
| [21:49:57] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery speak-engrish |
| [21:49:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a speak-engrish trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [21:56:22] | Beirdo: | mmmm. engrish |
| [21:57:43] | Beirdo: | 6pm... time to leave |
| [21:58:26] | AndyCap: | I can haz frontend? http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Ha . . . en-NanoNote/ |
| [21:58:38] | AndyCap: | :P |
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