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Thursday, March 11th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHAH

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iamlindoro:

so I picked up Final Fantasy 13 on the way home today

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iamlindoro:

and like many new games, it comes with a serial number for in game items/bonuses/etc.

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bjd:

see you in a couple of weeks then :)

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iamlindoro:

the card says "receive a SPECIAL ITEM by registering your copy of Final Fantasy XIII here:"

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: is the serial number the same as my luggage combo?

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iamlindoro:

so you go through their whooooole process, painstakingly enter your code, and....

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iamlindoro:

"BONUS CODE! Receive a FINAL FANTASY XIV Secret In-Game Item!"

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iamlindoro:

what is wrong with this picture

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kormoc:

haha, nice

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iamlindoro:

so by buying their game, they are willing to grant me a special bonus item in.. THEIR NEXT GAME that they are launching later this year

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iamlindoro:

Which is an MMORPG that you get to pay to play

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iamlindoro:

lame

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iamlindoro:

Though in fairness, they did not specify in which game you would get the special item

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justinh:

heh got you to register though eh ;)

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justinh:

well, safe to say I now have all the motivation I need to finish 'concept'. s/finish/get\ to\ a\ usable\ state\ I\ can\ live\ with/

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justinh:

I've just seen what somebody did to one of my babies. blootube-wide with wafer-thin fanart underneath. BLECH. And it's still junk

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bjd:

Hm, weird day! an interview at google makes you realise how boring your office is

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justinh:

I reckon I've got til July to finish it. after that, NO free time whatsoever. Little juski will see to that I expect

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justinh:

only one day?

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justinh:

then again, someone I know got pulled in for the *whole* day for an interview. Thought that was rather unusual ;)

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bjd:

mm?

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bjd:

5 x 1 hour is the norm

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justinh:

five hours is the norm at google? jees

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a normal interview

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wagnerrp:

cycled between multiple managers, and given a tour of the facility

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bjd:

nah, 5 x 1 hour interviews excl tours & lunch & breaks :p

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justinh:

heh. I've never been subjected to any more than one hour

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justinh:

and that was including tours

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bjd:

UK interviews are normally 1–1.5 hour :p

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bjd:

interesting experience tho!

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justinh:

though we sometimes have 2 or 3 interviews

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justinh:

I bet

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: the concept of stabbing with fire is an amazing one

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justinh:

why you'd want to work for the 2nd most evil corp on the face of the planet is fascinating too ;-)

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bjd:

who's first? :p

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justinh:

prolly Apple

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bjd:

i was expecting MS

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wagnerrp:

theyre not intentionally evil

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wagnerrp:

its just a byproduct of wanting to index the world

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wagnerrp:

and then destroy it before they have to do so again

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bjd:

i love teh concept of having a day off to do whatever you want

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bjd:

so you can say, actually this fricking sucks.... i want to fix it ...

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justinh:

doubt it'd be any kind of picnic though

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** bjd has too much redtape in $current_job **

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justinh:

I'm one to talk about evil in the job btw.. since the company I work for makes the tools of Big Brother

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bjd:

=)

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justinh:

looking for something else further North though. Not loving Manchester these days

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bjd:

:/

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justinh:

given it 12 years.. still think it's a cool place to visit once in a while

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kormoc:

12 years is a good tug, I gave my last place 9 months :P

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justinh:

to think I left the north east cos my home town was killing me

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bjd:

there comes a point where you wonder if you care about your day job...surely what happens outside is far more important and so long as you can fund that ... thats all that matters?

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justinh:

bjd: that's what moving will be about

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justinh:

work's ok. I can live with it

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bjd:

yup

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: glad you like the idea, I think it should catch on

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wagnerrp:

its like a lightsaber, only with more win

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justinh:

maybe google's plan is for their employees to love working there so much they never want to leave :D

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npm:

is this http://pinouts.ru/Video/nvidia_svideo_9p_pinout.shtml or http://www.amazon.com/Video-Svideo-Component- . . . p/B000G0A26G correspond to the 9-pin mini-din connector on the hauppauge pvr-350

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justinh:

npm: probably not

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wagnerrp:

npm: what do you want to do with that breakout connector on the 350?

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justinh:

but hey look! http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Pinout_PVR350

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npm:

are the cables available for sale individually (in case i purchase a cheap pvr350 w/o one)

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wagnerrp:

in case you intend to purchase a cheap 350 without one

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justinh:

FWIW I wouldn't buy a 350 card these days

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wagnerrp:

you should reconsider and buy cheap 150s

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justinh:

if you just want to encode analogue to mpeg2, grab a 150 or 2

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wagnerrp:

(or 500)

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npm:

well i wanted to play w/ the svid out

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wagnerrp:

no you didnt

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npm:

really?

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justinh:

or rather oh no you don't

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npm:

because it doesn't work?

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justinh:

npm: no use for mythtv these days and besides, they ain't all that compared to modern video cards

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wagnerrp:

its old, outdated, abandoned, and leading towards inoperability in modern kernels

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justinh:

they used to be, a long time ago

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npm:

oh so i'm better w/ a 500?

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wagnerrp:

basically, a $30 video card does just as good a job at video output, and a better job at hardware decoding

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npm:

well i hope someone outbids my $1.04 :-)

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wagnerrp:

how much time left?

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justinh:

and you won't be tied to purely analogue audio either :)

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npm:

couple days

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wagnerrp:

someone will bid higher

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npm:

i figure...

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justinh:

npm: maybe you could lead by example if you win it. and video yourself burning it to death in a deadly fire :D

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wagnerrp:

and if not, youve got a perfectly good analog capture card for $1.04

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wagnerrp:

win-win

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npm:

there's two w/o cables on ebay

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npm:

and i was checking to see if it was worth the trouble

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justinh:

well unless you can make the cable yourself... wah wahhhhh

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npm:

i can, altho i don't know if i have the fine motor control for a 9 pin mini din. an svideo is hard enuf

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why these people put a used 150 on ebay for $80

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wagnerrp:

i didnt even pay that much for mine _new_

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justinh:

heh I got more than I paid for mine when I sold it

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npm:

so if i was getting a new just analog, well supported, i can't find cnn on digital card... a 350 would be ok?

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wagnerrp:

it would be ok, 150 or 500 would be better

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justinh:

pvr150 would be better

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justinh:

or a 500 like wagnerrp says

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npm:

i have a 1250 that capably shows me the paucity of material on digital cable :-)

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sphery:

350 is OK, but don't use the ivtvfb module (no PVR-350 output--it's garbage)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its cool, weve got this

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npm:

thanks for the warning. i guess i'll let someone outbid me. :-)

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sphery:

heh, slow again :)

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wagnerrp:

now go back to trying to get donated hardware from xris... :P

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sphery:

heh

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npm:

what's xris

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justinh:

I saw a pvr350 output in real life a few years back. it was no better than the svideo on my fx5200 card ;)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: in case you havent been watching, check #mythtv about 10 minutes ago

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justinh:

I'm not in there & it's not logged

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wagnerrp:

ah, xris was trying to argue that the mythtv server had 4GB of memory... commands he was typing into the console right now were telling him so

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wagnerrp:

... then he realized he was not logged into the mythtv server

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npm:

but if i have an old mobo w/ integrated video that i don't want to use w/ my tv (a crap old school crt) downstairs... so i was thinking o using the 350's svid out

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justinh:

wagnerrp: heh. I did something similarly daft today. I thought my mounted drives weren't agreeing with fstab for some reason. I forgot it was going by UUIDs not the commented lines above

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justinh:

npm: forget that idea. you've been told why already

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you mean added to -developers? If so, you and elmojo should get together and send info to Chutt all at once.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, that

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justinh:

bah, I totally missed that boat

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sphery:

wagnerrp: 1 or 2 days ago, Chutt mentioned to elmojo to get a list of everyone who needs added and send an e-mail

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justinh:

what on Earth is #mythtv-bsp ?

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sphery:

he's the only one who can add people, TTBOMK

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wagnerrp:

justinh: bug squashing party

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wagnerrp:

some thing from a last month to try to wipe out a bunch of crap leading up to a freeze

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justinh:

ahh. did it work?

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wagnerrp:

somewhat

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justinh:

so somewhat cool then I guess :)

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justinh:

I need to get back into developing. I've done almost nothing for ooo too long now

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npm:

im running mythtv-0.22–5.fc12.x86_64 — when i use the "M" menu and cursor down to "edit channel" . when i "right arrow" to select it mythtv UI hangs (still continue watching but no response to input)

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wagnerrp:

i thought you did a lot of UI stuff (and then accidentally deleted it)

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npm:

is that a known bug?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: god no, it's still here somewhere

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npm:

(one needs to force-quit myhthfrontend after doing it... however, it works the very first time you bring up myhthfrontend... after tuning around or doing an "edit channel" previously it will hang

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npm:

)

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justinh:

got a gl rotate feature waiting to be groomed for inclusion in the gl painter .. and an analog clock widget :)

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wagnerrp:

i know i almost deleted two days of work on the bindings, reverting the wrong local checkout

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sphery:

npm: yeah, it's been reported, IIRC

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wagnerrp:

luckily i still had it open in vim, and realized what i had done

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justinh:

my last work was gettng to the point where I was gonna need some serious version control here

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justinh:

wouldn't mind having another crack at the fx I envisaged too

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npm:

also there's a field in the edit channel dialog — xmltvid — and it always says "loading..." (also in guide). how do i get rid of that?

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justinh:

npm: get rid of the junk theme you're using

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justinh:

as a guess

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sphery:

npm: you need to have valid xmltvid's specified

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sphery:

use the mythtv-setup channel editor to edit channel info

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npm:

ah interesting.... what theme do you recommend?

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justinh:

though never heard of 'Loading...' being shown in the EPG

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npm:

then i can't see the logo at the bottom of the tv-screen and type in what channel i'm on

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justinh:

if you have no EPG data it'd surely show 'Unknown' for every timeslot

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sphery:

npm: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8077

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sphery:

npm: can you do some debugging for me?

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npm:

sure . need logs?

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sphery:

npm: what is your Playback Profile group set to? Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen?\

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sphery:

Is it CPU+?

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sphery:

(that's in mythfrontend's setup, not mythtv-setup)

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npm:

one sec.... (also, i'm using xv, should i use gl?)

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sphery:

use Xv

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npm:

it is on "High Quality"

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npm:

what should i change to?

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sphery:

what resolution is the channel you were on?

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sphery:

is this with an analog capture of standard def?

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npm:

it seems to happen in both hd and regular res channels

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npm:

it's digital capture both of hd 1080 hd and regular

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sphery:

can you try changing it to Slim and try the editor, again

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npm:

what's "Slim" ??

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sphery:

playback profile group

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sphery:

(what's now at High Quality)

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npm:

it might have worked, but i triggered the "after watching an HD channel" lockup :-)

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npm:

"video frame buffering failed too many times"

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sphery:

that happens for you just watching an HD channel?

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npm:

well i have every channel i could find on my cable... many are blank

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npm:

and those seem to cause it

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npm:

i'll edit them out once i figure out what's there

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sphery:

yeah, a channel with no video or no audio can cause bad things to happen

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sphery:

but the editor worked that time?

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npm:

yes, but now it just crashed as in aborted

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sphery:

if so, it would be great if you could test by going into the editor and exiting the editor, the changing to another channel that works, then going into the editor and seeing if it hangs

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7767

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npm:

lemme restart, and go to known channels

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sphery:

likely dups

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npm:

and test properly

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sphery:

thx

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npm:

actually i think it's hosed hard enuf that i gotta stop the backend too :-/

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** sphery bets the problem is bob deint **

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sphery:

(the "frontend channel editor locks up the UI" problem, that is)

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npm:

actually it still locks up

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sphery:

Don't know what the "after watching an HD channel" lockup problem is :)

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sphery:

same channel or different channel?

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npm:

any channel. same pattern as before. let me check the setting just to make sure it "stuck" (i did restart backend... i assume it got stored in mysql)

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sphery:

the channel you use is important because the resolution of the video determines which playback profile (within the playback profile group) is selected

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sphery:

and which playback profile determines which deinterlacer

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npm:

it def locks up. i went from abc7-hd to kcet-hd (bbc world service)

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sphery:

and you're still using Slim?

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npm:

second time i tried edit dialog, it locked

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npm:

let me check

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npm:

it locked up before i could check

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sphery:

always the 2nd time?

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sphery:

or does it lock the first time you try it

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npm:

it never locked the first time

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npm:

always the second

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npm:

or after doing a lot of things, changing channels, going to guide

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sphery:

So it's more like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7767 ("Editing a 2nd channel in live TV locks up UI") than http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8077 ("Trying to enter Edit Channel from LiveTV locks up UI")

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npm:

it happens going between regular channels too

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npm:

as in (1) bring it up, M-edit, escape to cancel dialog ; (2) change channel ; (3) M-edit --> lockup

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sphery:

ok

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sphery:

any chance you feel like upgrading to current trunk?

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sphery:

I have a feeling that issue was fixed in trunk, but not in 0.22-fixes

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npm:

not right now, but if there's a fedora-updates-testing RPM i could manually install, i'd do that

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npm:

let me see what's in fedora updates

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sphery:

it's a one-way thing--if you upgrade to trunk you can't go back to 0.22-fixes

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npm:

well i can do tar czf mysql.tgz /var/lib/mysql :-)

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sphery:

you'll be able to (and I highly recommend) switch(ing) to 0.23-fixes when it's released, but you can't go from trunk back to 0.22-fixes

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npm:

let me check if that's been built for fedora 12

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sphery:

you'd be /much/ better off using a proper SQL-based backup, as at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore , but, yeah, you could do a backup and then restore the pre-upgrade backup to go back to 0.22-fixes

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npm:

that would be too much like work

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npm:

:-)

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npm:

i hack mysql files directly all the time :-)

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npm:

i've even done it live to keep servers running while we were being slashdotted :-)

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npm:

http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1 . . . _64.rpm.html ??

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sphery:

npm: that should be new enough to work

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sphery:

npm: but remember you'll need to back up your DB before upgrading

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npm:

Sun Jan 31 2010 Axel Thimm - 0.23–227_trunk_r23405

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sphery:

then downgrade, then restore the DB, if you want to go back to 0.22-fixes

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npm:

will i want to go back?

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sphery:

right, that's after all the "can't reproduce with trunk version #" comments I see

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sphery:

If the frontend channel editor works, I'd suggest you just stick with trunk until 0.23 is released, then switch to 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

0.23 should be out before long

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sphery:

note, also, you'll have to upgrade /all/ of your MythTV machines at the same time and you'll also have to upgrade mythplugins and myththemes, too

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npm:

right now i'm just starting out... one mythtv machine. eventually when i scavenge a server, i'll have a second unit for watching on my tv

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npm:

thanks for the warning and much appreciate the help

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npm:

i'd do the trunk release test sooner but i just got this thing working (after giving up and then recabling and resplitting my broadband so i could watch tv and have internet at the same time... such progress!

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sphery:

yeah, generally switching to trunk isn't a good idea, but since we're very close to a 0.23 release, it's not a bad idea right now

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wagnerrp:

assuming you dont mind doing repeated updates

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npm:

apparently 0.22–6.fc12 is the next release to come out of rpmfusion testing and pushed to stable

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npm:

i'll probably try that just for grins first

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npm:

i assume it won't fix the bug, which i can also live with by not doing the action that causes it...

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sphery:

based on the tickets in Trac, it sounds like it's a problem with all versions of 0.22-fixes and not a problem in trunk

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sphery:

(the frontend channel editor, that is)

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sphery:

I had just wanted to find out from a user who had the issue with 0.22-fixes if the same system/configuration showed the issue on trunk

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npm:

maybe i need to test the updates-testing vsn and give it bad karma for continuing to have the 0.22 bugs

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sphery:

if it was fixed with trunk, I could close 2 tickets.

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npm:

i was hoping mythtv was something i was going to watch... i have a lot of stuff to update just to keep pace with development of my own project

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npm:

however i will probably delve more deeply in the future, just not this month...

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npm:

i actually installed mythtv to get myself a stream of truly random video to test my segmenting and annotation ideas. (which is what i'm working on)

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npm:

so at some point i'll be asking for help to build from sources etc....

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npm:

so when does 0.23 officially come out?

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wagnerrp:

no specified date yet

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wagnerrp:

still waiting on a couple blockers in trac

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npm:

well if i get daring soon (it's been known to happen), i'll try out 0.23–227_trunk_r23405.fc12.x86_64 and let you know

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npm:

and as someone who had to debug the biggest piece of crap dvr on earth ( http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-video-recorde . . . 2065196.html ) i have to say MythTV is awesome

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sphery:

thanks. If you do test with trunk, please mention that you were affected in 0.22-fixes and upgrading to trunk fixed the issue on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7767 (or just mention it directly to me in here--with my nick so it will get filtered for me)

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sphery:

npm: ^^^

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npm:

you've put buildings full of dilbert-zone dwellers of the closed-source world to shame

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npm:

of course, they have the cheating way of getting and decrypting their closed content to disk...

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wagnerrp:

i think mythtv has a year or two head start as well

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npm:

and everybody else has to use irblasters and hdmi or svideo to get their encrypted content... (sort of an antitrust case no?)

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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wagnerrp:

anyone who is willing to abide by the terms of the cablelabs license can access encrypted cable content

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wagnerrp:

the stipulations of that license include that the content must be encrypted at all points, all the way up to the TV

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npm:

but can you actually get the encryption carsd from directv to plugin to anyrthing linux

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wagnerrp:

and must be under complete control of the cable company, through the cable card, at all times

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npm:

(even tho they use linux internally)

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wagnerrp:

thats a completely different system

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npm:

unfortunately

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wagnerrp:

more likely something similar to the DVB CI modules

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sphery:

but we can now use a Dish or DirecTV set-top-box and an HD-PVR to get the high-definintion satellite content into MythTV

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sphery:

(or cable-co STB)

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npm:

oh really?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

using the analog component outputs of the STB

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wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, IR blaster, or firewire, or serial are required to change channels on the STB

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npm:

oh well yeah..

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sphery:

right--where most satellite ones these days seem to only support IR

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npm:

that's the issue i'm complaining about.. it's a lot of mountain to climb for a dumb user versus getting a settop box from directv

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sphery:

older DirecTV allowed serial

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skd5aner:

... for now

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sphery:

for now?

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sphery:

what's changing?

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npm:

i guess there needs to be a mythtv installer vans all over town showing people how to do it :-)

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sphery:

you mean the proposal to remove all component output from the STBs?

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jpabq:

All the latest Directv HD STBs support control via USB.

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sphery:

oh, really? that's cool

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sphery:

I knew they had dropped the serial channel changing, but didn't realize they added USB

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skd5aner:

spehry: usually I'm optomistic by nature, but I've got a feeling that the folks trying to reduce the output quality of component-out are trying really hard to get their way

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skd5aner:

not necessarily removal – just degredation to a max of 480p

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wagnerrp:

480i

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wagnerrp:

at which point you just have to get a HDFury along with your HDPVR

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jpabq:

Yeah. Unfortunately, both the Directv STB and your computer want to be the "master", so you have to use a null modem cable in-between. Still, it works very well, and is one of the primary reasons I chose Directv over Dish.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: well – regardless – less than HD

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wagnerrp:

roughly double the price

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sphery:

and, should they succeed at breaking component output, they will definitely kill the HD Fury

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skd5aner:

I hard 480p simply because they know the majority of devices anymore are progressive, but either way – sucky reduced resolution

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skd5aner:

er... heard

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sphery:

480p makes sense since even DVD's do that

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sphery:

but then again, sense and media companies don't necessarily get along

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skd5aner:

sigh – seems to be the case :/

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wagnerrp:

sphery: apparently the HDFury would bypass the issue

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skd5aner:

I was trying to google, there was some news a few months ago about a specific push to lower component out in the next several years

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wagnerrp:

since it would be a compliant HDMI/HDCP device, and outside the scope of the AACS image constraint token

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skd5aner:

The HDFury is something I've briefly looked out, and it could potentially resolve the issue – but I don't know how HDCP could factor in to basically disable it too

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jpabq:

skd5aner, last I saw, they were trying to do that by the end of *this* year. I hope they don't succeed.

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skd5aner:

honestly haven't researched it much

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npm:

like i said, seems like an antitrust case waiting to happen. directv owns the airwaves, but they shoulnd't own the dvr market

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npm:

it would be like microsoft forcing everybody to use IE for the web

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skd5aner:

well, Tivo just won a patent lawsuit against dish, dtv, and others about DVR patent infringement

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skd5aner:

so – apparently *they* own the DVR market (or at least the licensing rights) ;)

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npm:

makes sense. dtv had tivo. copied it. tried doing their own. failed. went back to tivo

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npm:

and various other gyrations

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npm:

of course what happens is that tivo then gets a few "patent carsds" in it's deck that it can use to harass other companies into letting it steal their ideas

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skd5aner:

tivo ruling: http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/ . . . ID=223101675

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npm:

same patent warring described here http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2010/031010-ex . . . x_2010-03-10

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npm:

"TiVo had accused EchoStar of violating its patent that allows consumers to record one show while watching another." — is that even a valid patent? certainly there was prior art before tivo

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wagnerrp:

the patent is made valid by it being very detailed about specifically what it covers

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wagnerrp:

its not just one thing that allows customers to record one thing while watching another

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npm:

pretty soon, to develop opensource, we'll have to hide in caves in afganistan ... just to prevent apple/google/ibm/hp from suing people for coming up w/ obvious ideas

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wagnerrp:

it was a series of co-processors, buffers, and other mechanisms that allowed it to be done on pathetic hardware

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npm:

like the old patent from ibm on object oriented programming.

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skd5aner:

Nope – just have your own patent portfolio as a deterant....

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npm:

that's tjhe terrible thing. i don't

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skd5aner:

that's how it works – people don't sue others, they license each other's works, and have an unsaid agreement of "you don't sue us, we won't sue you"

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skd5aner:

look at why apple sued HTC, way easier target than Google

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npm:

so does canonical get sued first ;_)

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npm:

since it would be pointless to sue fedora-unity :-)

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skd5aner:

Here's a decent article regarding component out degredation/disabling efforts: http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news . . . mponent-2010

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skd5aner:

I don't know how many patents either have, 0?

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skd5aner:

I would think patents are by definition, not open (kinda)

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skd5aner:

I mean – why would you patent something, other than to maybe take credit for an invention if anyone can then take that invention and do whatever they want with it

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wagnerrp:

patents are by definition open

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wagnerrp:

if it were not open, you couldnt patent it

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skd5aner:

as a corporation that is – or maybe you could proactively patent something to prevent others from patent abuse

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npm:

patents are open, but open source is usually not patented

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skd5aner:

not what I meant wagnerrp

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skd5aner:

I meant, the purpose of patenting something to protect your work so that other's don't steal it or claim it as their own – obviously the patent process, but it's very nature, is extremely open

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npm:

so the issue is that sometyhing like mythtv getting sued for patent infringement... well you have to have something w/ money to sue

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skd5aner:

not that I explained that clearly the first go around

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npm:

and the infringement can be for doing something obvious, like a popup menu on a dvr

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skd5aner:

what I shouldhave said is "I would think the point of patenting something, does not necessarily align with the spirit of open source" :)

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skd5aner:

since any form of software patent is pretty much absurd

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npm:

it's contradictory to opensource. c.f. stallman on patents

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skd5aner:

sphery: you around?

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npm:

i think the patent system needs to be challenged on grounds of freedom of speech and freedom of association

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npm:

at least w/r/t open source

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wagnerrp:

i think the patent system needs to be reworked, i DO NOT think it needs to be challenged or removed

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npm:

i do

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skd5aner:

I'm split – I'm pro and anti patent, but sometimes I'm both at the same time :S

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npm:

it's unfair to anybody other than big companies w/ patent portfolios. see the link i posted on sun earlier

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npm:

sun dishing on apple and other co's using patents to strong-arm other companiesd

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wagnerrp:

thats why it needs to be reworked

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wagnerrp:

since its being abused

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npm:

it's basically an anti-trust issue at the corp level, and a constitutiuonal issue for US open source developers (IMHO)

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skd5aner:

part of the problem is the people in the patent office, who review the patents, but don't understand what it is they are looking at

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skd5aner:

that part could be changed

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npm:

yes, no more patents for OOP or blitting

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npm:

long expired but still representative of the stupidity of past patents

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wagnerrp:

think of it this way... you spend $5M developing some product

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wagnerrp:

if you cant patent it, your competitor can reverse engineer it for $50k, and undercut your price

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wagnerrp:

thus you cant sell anything, make no money, and stop developing new products

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npm:

that's why you always wait for someone elese to bleed first :-)

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have patents, there is no development of anything new

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npm:

did visicalc have patents?

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npm:

123? or how did excel happen?

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, I'm around now

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npm:

it happened by using antitrust/racketeering to unfairly subvert the orig intent of the patent system

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skd5aner:

sphery: cool, just wanted to see if you saw that link about the component out stuff...

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skd5aner:

"After December 31, 2010, manufacturers will not be "allowed" introduce new hardware with component video outputs supplying more than an SD resolution (480i or 576i). If the manufacturer has existing models in its line-up, it will be able to continue selling that model until the end of 2013."

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skd5aner:

thought you'd be interested

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wagnerrp:

wait... not allowed?

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wagnerrp:

is that _any_ new hardware? or hardware capable of bluray playback?

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skd5aner:

BTW – I should add, this is related to anything that AACS passes through, so primarily bluray

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sphery:

skd5aner: just clicked it--haven't read, yet

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wagnerrp:

s/primarily/only/

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sphery:

that's definitely not cool

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npm:

yipes

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skd5aner:

np, it's not necessarily a "fun" read

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sphery:

yeah, I'm going to have to stop reading it because it's making me mad (and there's nothing I can do about it)

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sphery:

I hate HDMI and BluRay for exactly these reasons

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npm:

so i have this year to actually buy open equipment?

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sphery:

but if you buy new disks after this year, they may have the image constraint token, which will tell the player to not send out high-definition through component

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sphery:

even existing players have to support ICT

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npm:

so what about a bluray player for a computer??

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skd5aner:

yea, I wired my house for distributed component from my closet for distributed video... now, you can't even find a GT 2X0 card with component out :P

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wagnerrp:

npm: same rules apply

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sphery:

and, TTBOMK, no disks use it because the manufacturers agreed not to--to sucker people into buying BluRay

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wagnerrp:

the computer is allowed to output HD component, if you can still find hardware that will do component

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npm:

but doesn't a bluray player (the dvd player unit) digitally read the bluray disk?

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wagnerrp:

however the playback software itself must obey the ICT

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wagnerrp:

in fact, i was under the impression windows playback already did the ICT

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sphery:

TTBOMK, all AACS-compliant players must obey it

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sphery:

though no disks use it, yet

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npm:

but why worry about outputting hd component when you can just copy bits in the computer

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npm:

seems like a silly law at that level

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sphery:

I think iamlindoro sent a great post to the -users list with links/info on it

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wagnerrp:

because you cannot copy bits in the computer

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skd5aner:

I just can't believe how many legit customers are going to be hosed by these stupid measures

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wagnerrp:

in order to be allowed to sell decoder software, you must provide a guaranteed protected data path all the way to the display

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npm:

cannot, or are not allowed to "playback software must obey ict"

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npm:

what if you want to give it away as open source?

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wagnerrp:

and as such, any attempts to bypass these restrictions follow under DMCA

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wagnerrp:

npm: you cannot, because you were never licensed to decode the content

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** npm looks for caves in afghanistan on ebay :-) **

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wagnerrp:

the only way open source could do so is if they reverse engineered their own decryption key

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wagnerrp:

and again... DMCA

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skd5aner:

npm: Afghanitan? You know we're currently arresting bad guys there too right?

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sphery:

and kept reverse engineering the key as they keep changing it

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skd5aner:

or... shooting them at least

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npm:

like bin laden? they'd have got him if he was copying blurays

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npm:

ok dinner time...

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_abbenormal:

lol

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wagnerrp:

its like the joke... just tell the student loan office hes back on his payments

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skd5aner:

I've heard that joke before... if you wanted to find bin laden, send the MPAA/RIAA after him

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skd5aner:

or any of the variation of "bounty" hunters out there ;)

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sphery:

this is the article I was remembering: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/23/hdmi-the-manchurian-.html -> "Hollywood studios and some CE manufacturers have reportedly entered into an informal agreement to hold off on using the "image constraint token" in HDMI DRM until 2010 or 2012."

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sphery:

seems it was too hard to wait 'til 2010

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sphery:

er, 2012

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sphery:

"The agreement to stay away from the image constraint token for four or six years is a way to get around this. If the DRM is kept switched off for the first 4–6 years, there's an opportunity to lure people into accepting it — to buy into devices, media, players, screens, storage and other components with HDMI crippleware within, but inactive."

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skd5aner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_ . . . _analog_hole

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sphery:

"This is a classic Manchurian Candidate strategy. These devices behave like normal gear until the studios pull the trigger, then they turn on you. The studios talk a big game about wanting to operate in a free market, but then you get stuff like this: back-room deals, restraint of trade, and attempts to subvert the market by fooling customers into buying crippled kit."

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skd5aner:

haha, I didn't see you post that sphery – that wikipedia link I sent basically quotes that

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sphery:

heh

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skd5aner:

You know – part of the problem is people calling it "the analog hole"

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sphery:

yeah

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skd5aner:

if we didn't make it sound like a giant design flaw bug, then maybe it wouldn't be so evil – eh, probably wouldn't change anything

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tzanger:

sphery: sounds like the whole ACTA mess

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sphery:

it's only a hole if someone attempts to use it for /already/ illegal activities

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sphery:

otherwise, it's just a way to get the video to my HDTV

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tzanger:

I"m happy the EU tossed it out on its arse, if now only Canada would be so direct

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skd5aner:

yea – you know... like it was designed to do :)

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sphery:

tzanger: and if only someone would get the US to wise up

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skd5aner:

sphery: not wise up, grow some balls

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tzanger:

sphery: lobby groups need to be redefined as homegrown terror cells

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skd5aner:

currently, the fcc is just sitting on the sidelines, letting hollywood decide – while I'm all for smaller govt, this is one time I want them to stick up for the little guy

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tzanger:

and media companies need to be told in no uncertain terms that they are not entitled to profit. if they decide to take their ball and go home, great, don't le tthe door hit you on the ass on the way out... you'll be back.

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skd5aner:

tzanger: from my perspective, I could care less... what I care about is the fact they say I'm purchasing a license to only use the way they tell me it's OK, telling me exactly how I can and can't used something I PURCHASED

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skd5aner:

I mean – you're right, they're not entitled to profit, but it's not unreasonable to think they should be able to make one

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tzanger:

treating your customers as thieves is not a way to make profit

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skd5aner:

that's why all forms of DRM really just stink for valid consumers, because pirates will always pirate

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skd5aner:

drm just punishes everyone besides the pirates

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tzanger:

when I buy a dvd for $30 I expect to be abl eto watch it on any equipment I have, without commercials or previews or other bullshit, as many times as I want

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skd5aner:

indeed – remember "divx" (not DivX)?

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tzanger:

yep

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skd5aner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX_(Digital_Video_Express)

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tzanger:

put out a good product, don't make me sit through shit, you'll make profit

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skd5aner:

you could only watch it on authorized players, and then you couldn't take it and watch it at someone elses house, etc

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skd5aner:

:P

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skd5aner:

anyway – deep breaths, new topic :)

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tzanger:

heh

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skd5aner:

so how about all those firewire channels I can't tune, huh?

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skd5aner:

;)

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skd5aner:

and with that, I think I'm out – good night :)

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benomatic:

dumb question: i am browsing videos via storage group — how do i get it to rescan, and find newly added vids?

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mag0o:

m

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mag0o:

scan for changes

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mag0o:

either m or i

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mag0o:

but im pretty sure m

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benomatic:

gracias :)

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mag0o:

you're welcome

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benomatic:

i knew it was something obvious that i was forgetting :)

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fukdnscerd:

if im upgrading from svn release to svn trunk do i need to remove the release version before installing the trunk version or will it just overwrite the previous version

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mag0o:

there's an svn swap, let me see if i can find the link

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wagnerrp:

benomatic: are you just viewing videos, or are you actually using 'browse mode'?

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: if youre compiling your own source, one should be able to install right on top of the other

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** mag0o is glad wagnerrp came around :) **

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wagnerrp:

if youre worried, the makefile supports a 'make uninstall'

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wagnerrp:

but the source must be at least 'configure'd before that will work

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fukdnscerd:

but it *should* work just compiling and installing over top of the previous version

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fukdnscerd:

right?

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wagnerrp:

i believe so, yes

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fukdnscerd:

thats good enough for me, its a text box any way

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fukdnscerd:

*test

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wagnerrp:

but you will end up with old versions of the libraries cluttering things up that way

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mag0o:

i can attest to that

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fukdnscerd:

ok maybe ill do uninstall then

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wagnerrp:

sphery: as per http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/425156#425156 , would you want a rewritten version of myth_find_orphans?

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wagnerrp:

something to search through the storage groups, local and remote?

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wagnerrp:

im just finding a bunch of spurious, 0-byte 'UPDATE_FILE_SIZE' events coming from the backend, which i assume are from orphaned recordings of some sort

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wagnerrp:

if the existing script no longer works properly, ill update it with the bindings

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wagnerrp:

events from recordings way back in 2008 and 2009

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wagnerrp:

probably failed livetv sessions that never properly got cleaned up

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sphery:

I'm planning to include the functionality in the backend and frontend shortly after the freeze ends

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sphery:

so finding files with no metadata will be done daily by the housekeeper (or on command) and finding metadata with missing files will be done on command

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wagnerrp:

or 0B files?

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sphery:

frontend will have ability to show orphaned metadata and let users delete or delete+rerecord without having to acknowledge each

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

in theory there shouldn't be any 0B ones ever, but I'll include a check for that

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sphery:

(in theory, dependent on fixing the firewire issue)

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sphery:

the orphaned files will get put into a recording group (something like "Unidentified" or "Found" or whatever) and users will be able to edit title/subtitle (and, when we get the multiline text edit, description) through the UI

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wagnerrp:

well i should still probably figure out why i keep getting sent these events on any RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE

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sphery:

and I hope to allow editing all programinfo data that makes sense to allow users to edit

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sphery:

you can run the existing script to identify missing files

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sphery:

it's the scripts adding new stuff to the DB that's broken

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wagnerrp:

except im currently stuck in perl dependency hell

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sphery:

heh, well there's that

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sphery:

if you want to make a python version, you can and some 0.22-fixes users may find it useful, but I think doing everything that the scripts try to do will be way more work than it's worth

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt bother with a 0.22 version, since i would have to rewrite a good chunk of stuff to make it work with the 0.22 bindings

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sphery:

identifying (and not doing anything about) orphaned metadata or files is pretty trivial, though

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sphery:

I meant 0.23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

well this would be a 'run anywhere' kind of thing

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sphery:

since the new functioanlity would go into trunk post 0.23, so won't be in a release until 0.24

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wagnerrp:

on any machine with a proper config.xml file

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sphery:

the backend/frontend support for it will be

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sphery:

and won't require local file access (as each backend will do its own scanning)

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wagnerrp:

ah, you mean put something into -fixes after the branch

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sphery:

and will--basically--do it the way it should have been done

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sphery:

actually more write a script to put on the wiki for 0.23-fixes users

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wagnerrp:

ok

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sphery:

(since we probably shouldn't put it in the -fixes branch since it's a new feature)

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sphery:

and putting python guts into myth_find_orphans.pl doesn't seem right :)

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sphery:

guess you could modify the perl script to do a system() call that calls python and passes it python code via stdin :)

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sphery:

but I think if you tried to do the script--and tried to include all the functionality that users now expect of them--you'd waste a ton of time

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sphery:

which is why I plan to just do it right (with backend support--since the files are all backend files)

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually know if the python executable is even set up to be run that way

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sphery:

After that code goes in, a script to do it would simply send a myth proto command to start the scan and get back a list of found info

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wagnerrp:

dont forget, the database backups go into those recording folders

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wagnerrp:

remember not to automatically clean those up

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that was really a joke referring back to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .sh?rev=2427

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sphery:

note that it's a sh script that just calls perl and passes it a -e command to execute

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wagnerrp:

but... why?

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sphery:

very good question

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wagnerrp:

couldnt figure out how to remove a directory in perl?

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sphery:

lol

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wagnerrp:

or access the database

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wagnerrp:

thats at least as ugly as anything ive seen come out of the list recently

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wagnerrp:

not quite as ugly as some of the backwards hacks to use external players with storage groups

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sphery:

at least it's not a 2000-line bash script :)

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jen:

anyone have luck with a rng110 cable box connected via firewire to a system running ubuntu 9.10? I'm about to try the latest fedora but wanted to check here first.

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Beirdo:

mzb_zz: jeez, you make more noise asleep than awake

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wagnerrp:

oof... just found two commflag jobs that were coming up on 51 hours

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Beirdo:

yuck

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm goin to bed :)

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justinh:

something reminds me I need to look at my dvb radio export script & make it produce nice filenames

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justinh:

yay that's nicer. Filenames now have human readable dates

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justinh:

e.g. BBC-Radio-7_The_News_Quiz__Sunday_07_Mar_2010_16_30.mp3

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justinh:

I could really do with it creating directories for the show titles too

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justinh:

ugh the script to turn dvb radio recordings into podcasts is java

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justinh:

roflmao. I know the guy who wrote that

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justinh:

crap. wth am I bothering with a separate mp3 tagger for – ffmpeg can do it. BUHHHHHHHH

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justinh:

gah ffmpeg can't set the genre in this version

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jb___:

hi all

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jb___:

I have a problem with watching encrypted channels, I just bought a smartcard reader (the SCR335 ) and installed the ccid pcscd program/deamon, then scanned for new channels and added about 40 new ones but non of the encrypted channels will get a lock, any suggestions?

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flabberkenny:

jb___: have you tried a channel without using mythtv? e.g. picking a channel with tzap or czap and output the contents to a file?

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jb___:

flabberkenny, no I havent, have not used tzap or czap but let me have a quick look how they work and I will give it a try

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justinh:

oh dear oh dear oh dear. Oh dear

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justinh:

you can't talk about using software decryption here

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justinh:

we don't care if you have a viewing card & subs or not

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justinh:

the only decryption method officially supported is with CI & CAM

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jb___:

justinh, thats what Im trying to get to work, with a smartcard that I pay a montly fee for

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justinh:

you said smart card reader & some stupid daemon thing

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justinh:

not a hardware CI & CAM

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justinh:

they're not the same thing

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jb___:

justinh, sorry I probably expressed myself unclear, the program/deamon was needed to get the usbcard reader to work

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justinh:

hardware CI interfaces with the tuner card directly

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justinh:

and that's all we support here

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jb___:

justinh, ahh so the card reader has to be integrated with my DVB-T card then ?

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justinh:

for us to support it yes

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jb___:

justinh, ahh I see

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justinh:

that's the official line :)

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jb___:

its a bummer I have not found a DVB-T card with a cardreader :-(

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justinh:

it's not a card reader you're looking for

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justinh:

it's a CI module into which you plug a CAM

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justinh:

you then put the viewing card into the CAM, see

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jb___:

true

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justinh:

viewing card -> CAM -> CI Slot -> DVB tuner :)

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justinh:

sad state of affairs really but we have the retard pirates to blame for having to take this stance

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jb___:

well I use a Novo T-500 DVB-T tuner and as far as I know it dont have a CI slot or am I wrong ?

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justinh:

nope you're right

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justinh:

very few dvb-t tuners have been on the market with CI slots

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justinh:

hopefully the Hauppauge USB CI module will be supported in linux soon

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justinh:

for the sake of you guys anyway. no point us in the UK wishing for it. We can't lay our hands on CAMs

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jb___:

and thats why I was trying to get it to work with a smartcard reader from Smartcard called SCR335

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justinh:

jb___: that's no good for here though.. the reader is only communicating with the card while the decryption is done in software

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jb___:

ahh ok

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jb___:

thanks for clearing things up a bit to me :-)

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justinh:

it's probably safe to say that most people use that software without a card reader

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justinh:

I wouldn't care but a number of commercially available DVB STBs use that kind of method

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jb___:

ok

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jb___:

sorry have to run , bbl

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[Peter]:

justinh: In my experience most people who use softcams use it to decrypt channels that they've paid for, but I guess we've had that discussion before ;)

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justinh:

yeah well it's all in the interests of keeping the project's nose clean :)

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justinh:

hmmm can't seem to find MP3::Podcast in cpan

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Gates_Crasher:

I have installed Xebian with the 2.4.31 kernel on a chip modded xbox.I have tried 15 different repo's,as suggested on wiki's and how to's.They all fail with various errors.I cannot install mythtv-frontend.dependencies for "libqt-4-gui (= 4.2.1–2+etch1) but it is not going to be installed"as an example.

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justinh:

so your distro is missing dependencies

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Gates_Crasher:

Sorry:I hit enter by mistake.Can anyone point me in the right direction,to get a sources.list for Xebian using the 2.4.31 kernel.This is in reference to my message @ 9:13:15.Yes justinh.I hope to get the hang of this irc.Definite newbie in that regard.

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justinh:

having seen mythfrontend running on xebian (ver 0.19 or so) I really wouldn't bother

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Gates_Crasher:

yes and I have exhausted my ability to find repo's that will have what I need.

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justinh:

mythfrontend in 32MB ram is not fun

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justinh:

and let's face it, you're not gonna have the patience to build all the dependencies yourself :D

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Gates_Crasher:

Thanks,That's what I figured but I needed someone to confirm that suspicion.

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justinh:

I hate to think how slow it'd be since the UI was improved for 0.22

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend .22 + any available MythUI themes is probably basically impossible, too

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iamlindoro:

(on that hardware)

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justinh:

heh nobody has done a theme with a light enough memory footprint

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tzanger:

wow what's the hardware that only has 32MB?

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justinh:

xbox

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justinh:

of course

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justinh:

64 fitted, but 32 of that goes to the GPU innit

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iamlindoro:

Gates_Crasher, I know it's not intended this way but generally speaking unsolicited PMs on IRC are considered pretty rude

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iamlindoro:

And yes, you can still play games on it, nothing wrong with it as a games system :)

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** justinh still has *MSGS* on ignore :) **

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justinh:

what you can't see cannot annoy you

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Gates_Crasher:

Sorry about that.It won't happen again.irc newbie here.

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justinh:

lucky for modern times. back in the day you'd be hunted down & killed for less ;)

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warlord:

good morning.. can anyone around help me with a 0.22 HDHR tuning problem? Myth scans the channels but cannot lock onto 2 HD channels (but hdhr-gui + vlc tunes/locks/views just fine)

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justinh:

whoah 95% of the UK is now on google streetview

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jams:

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jams: i just lost it on my master be

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GreyFoxx:

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cipher42:

how can i get my mythtv window to display 720p properly?

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wagnerrp:

what is it doing now?

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cipher42:

when i set it to 1280x720 in the appearance wizard there's lots of unused space

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wagnerrp:

is X actually running at 1280x720?

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cipher42:

probably not?

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cipher42:

how would i set that?

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wagnerrp:

its probably running at something closer to 1360x768

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wagnerrp:

as defined by your TVs EDID data

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cipher42:

i'm using a computer/monitor

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wagnerrp:

then you should not be using the appearance wizard

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wagnerrp:

because monitors do not overscan

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cipher42:

yea see i want it on my second monitor, but it's setup for my first

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wagnerrp:

either make it 'windowed' and drag it over

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cipher42:

yea that's what i do, but it's too big

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wagnerrp:

or go into the appearance settings, and manually define the offset needed to put it on the second monitor

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cipher42:

with the appearance wizard right??

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

setup --> appearance --> second page

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wagnerrp:

you should see a GUI X offset

[17:03:14]

wagnerrp:

your monitors are top-aligned?

[17:03:30]

wagnerrp:

you want it on the monitor to the right of your primary?

[17:03:34]

wagnerrp:

how large is your primary?

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cipher42:

left of my primary

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wagnerrp:

so set the GUI X Offset to '-1280'

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wagnerrp:

that will push it left 1280 pixels, onto the secondary monitor

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wagnerrp:

reset the other three to 1280, 720, and 0

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cipher42:

primary is 1680x1050, left secondary is 1600x1200

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wagnerrp:

so why do you want to run 1280x720?

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cipher42:

so i can still have some workspace

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wagnerrp:

you should probably turn on the window border and mouse cursor

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cipher42:

ok cool

[17:11:22]

npm:

is there a way to have two sizes for mythfrontend... i.e. one fullscreen, and one "so you can still have some workspace"

[17:11:53]

wagnerrp:

npm: mythtv only supports one settings group per machine name

[17:12:05]

npm:

or a way to enable the fullscreen-vs-normal in the window manager when window border enabled?

[17:12:34]

wagnerrp:

you can either override the database setting on the command line '--geometry WxH+X+Y' and '--windowed'

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npm:

so if i was to alias my machine and have one e.g "workandwatch" and the other "watch"... and then tell frontend it's on one host or the other even though they're the same host?

[17:13:21]

wagnerrp:

or you can override the string used for indexing the settings in the database (cant seem to find the one for that)

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cipher42:

i'm just wondering why when i have it set at 1280x720 there's so much unused space in the window

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wagnerrp:

cipher42: unused space?

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wagnerrp:

making it hard to answer your questions there...

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npm:

wagnerrp: thanks for answering mine

[17:15:30]

wagnerrp:

hold on, trying to find that hostname override

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npm:

it's ok, i have other things to fix first :-)

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npm:

that was more of a feature request

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wagnerrp:

there was a 'LocalHostName' in the old mysql.txt, i dont know what it is in the new config.xml

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npm:

brought up by what cipher42 wanted, which might be a common thing to want in mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

it may work to override the 'HOSTNAME' environmental variable before running the frontend

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wagnerrp:

anyway, all mythtv settings are indexed by that hostname

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wagnerrp:

if you look at 'mythfrontend --help', there are some options that can be overridden on the command line

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npm:

interesting... so that would work for the aliasing trick, allowing totally difft setups, or difft ways of trying out tyhe frontend

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wagnerrp:

or you can use '-O KEY=VALUE' to override any other setting value

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npm:

which would make testing stuff easier

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cipher42:

sorry my pooter bugged out

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wagnerrp:

cipher42: what do you mean unused space?

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wagnerrp:

npm: or you can figure out what it takes to feed it a different hostname, and get a completely different setup out of the database

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cipher42:

as in black space that is not being used

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wagnerrp:

cipher42: the UI will always resize the theme to the extents defined in that settings page

[17:19:37]

wagnerrp:

there will be no black space, unless black space is actually defined in the theme

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npm:

cool. i tried out some difft skins and onscreen to see if that had any effect on the bugs i talked abt yesterday

[17:19:52]

wagnerrp:

or are you talking about video?

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cipher42:

lemme test it one more time

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cipher42:

i think it may be good to go now

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npm:

and indeed there is some component that has to do w/ the orig resolution of the source video vs. the graphics overlaid on top

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wagnerrp:

cipher42: by default, video will only proportionally scale to fit the window

[17:21:06]

wagnerrp:

so if you have 16:9 content, it will completely fill a 1280x720 screen

[17:21:16]

wagnerrp:

but if you have 4:3 content, it will be pillarboxed

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npm:

but i need to upgd to that 0.23 rpm to actually see if that goes away — e.g. jittering of onscreen. bad fontscaling of onscreen depending on source res

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cipher42:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

and if the 4:3 content is actually letterboxed video, youre going to end up with a tiny little video in the middle of the window

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wagnerrp:

at which point you can use the zoom modes (w) to resize it

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cipher42:

so i should set it to letterbox

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wagnerrp:

you should set it to default

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wagnerrp:

and override with the 'w' key as needed

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** npm takes notes **

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cipher42:

w is for 4:3 or letterbox?

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wagnerrp:

'w' cycles through the various zoom modes

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wagnerrp:

if you have black space that you dont like, hit that button a couple times to find a mode you do like

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cipher42:

setting it to 16:9 seems to have fixed my problem

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wagnerrp:

and youve probably horribly skewed your video in the process

[17:24:05]

wagnerrp:

'everyone looks so short and fat'

[17:24:18]

wagnerrp:

'the camera adds 300 pounds'

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cipher42:

hard to tell

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cipher42:

they look a bit skinny

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npm:

be sure to not test on the 3rd world tv channel

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cipher42:

maybe i should reinstall...

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wagnerrp:

reinstalling mythtv will do nothing unless you have corrupted files

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cipher42:

it won't reset all the video tweaking i did?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

those are all stored in the database, independent of mythtv

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cipher42:

on the backend??

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wagnerrp:

in the database

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cipher42:

which database?

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wagnerrp:

'the' database

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cipher42:

i'm assuming you mean on the backend..

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cipher42:

mine are separate

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wagnerrp:

i mean where ever the database is running

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wagnerrp:

its completely independent of mythtv

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cipher42:

both front and back have one

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wagnerrp:

you can put it where ever you want

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wagnerrp:

the frontend does not have a database

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wagnerrp:

or rather it should not

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wagnerrp:

all of mythtv should be using the same database

[17:28:38]

wagnerrp:

if it does not, you have a broken setup

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sphery:

cipher42: Remember that a database is something like mythconverg. MySQL is a database server. You can put servers whereever you want, but there can be only one mythconverg database.

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** wagnerrp begins the lengthy migration of some 80GB of recordings over to archive **

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mag0o:

3 recordings?

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mag0o:

:)

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wagnerrp:

about 2 months worth, clipped

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abqjp:

Just my luck. I want to add a channel to my line-up, and TMS' server is down.

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cipher42:

is there any way to reset all my display settings?

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sphery:

cipher42: only individually

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cipher42:

how would i go about that?

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sphery:

mythfrontend settings

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sphery:

the closest thing to resetting them all is blowing away all settings for your machine (or chaning the hostname unique identifier in config.xml/mysql.txt)

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chocamo:

anyone know how .23 is coming along?

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wagnerrp:

chocamo: a couple blockers in trac away from an RC

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chocamo:

nice

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chocamo:

what are the major changes from .22

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wagnerrp:

mostly background stuff

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iamlindoro:

stability, bugfixes, small new features, one new plugin, one new theme

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cipher42:

actually looks good, just a bit too wide for some reason

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cipher42:

1280x720, the 720 is perfect

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cipher42:

just some black on either side not being used

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wagnerrp:

probably because the content itself has black video on either side

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wagnerrp:

for completely unknown and illogical reasons, digital TVs continue to overscan, and digital broadcasters continue to underscan to match

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cipher42:

oh wow you can actually select with screen you want it on

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cipher42:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help

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jolaren:

How do I view the flash recordings (like i can do on the web) from my cell? is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

if your cellphone can play flash, yes

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jolaren:

It can, I just can't find the fleek in the wap site

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** sphery thinks MythWeb only includes the flash streaming in default view **

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sphery:

er, default template, that is

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sphery:

jolaren: might need to change to use the default template

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sphery:

in trunk there's a link at bottom of the home page... might be there in -fixes, too

[18:14:07]

sphery:

might also require editing the PHP if the "autodetect if it's a mobile" code is stubborn

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jolaren:

sphery: Oh, I see. It's on auto atm

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jolaren:

sphery: Lol, now I changed it to ipod look and I cant switch it back

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jolaren:

Anyone got tips on how to change back the template?

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jolaren:

Don't really want to re-install ;/

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J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: Add: /?RESET_TMPL=true to the end of your URL.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: so http://192.168.1.20/mythweb becomes http://192.168.1.20/mythweb/?RESET_TMPL=true

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jolaren:

thanks alot mate

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J-e-f-f-A:

NP. ;-) And if you have mobile devices that you're going to connect to remotely, create different logons for them.

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jolaren:

J-e-f-f-A: Oh, it's possible to add more then one acc?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jolaren: Yep. The template is 'cached' with the logon id. So if you've got an iphone, create a seperate mythweb [apache] logon for your iphone, and the 'normal' logon will always use the default template... And the ipod one will 'switch' to the ipod template on the 1st use, and then 'stick'.

[18:32:33]

wagnerrp:

is it? i thought the apache login, and php session data, was completely separate

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xris:

if you have an apache login, mythweb uses that as your php session id.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: xris – Yeah, I figured I might not have the exact terminology correct, but the 'end result' was correct... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

rimad: it is impossible for DVB-C to produce 'blurry' images

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wagnerrp:

you have have digital artifacting

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wagnerrp:

weird screeching in the audio, malformed blocks of video

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rimad:

wagnerrp. no idea but thats what it does...like pixels gets mixed with each other or something

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rimad:

yes yes

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wagnerrp:

but it will either be exactly what the broadcaster sends, or it will be mangled garbage

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rimad:

thats what happens...

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rimad:

what is this?

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wagnerrp:

the mangled garbage?

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iamlindoro:

Damaged/poor/corrupted signal

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wagnerrp:

thats lack of complete reconstruction of the digital signal

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rimad:

damn...anything i can do about it? i bought $20 cable

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rimad:

5m long

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wagnerrp:

eh?

[18:45:20]

wagnerrp:

what would a cable do?

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rimad:

yea i thought that cable was bad or something...so i bought some gold plated one lol

[18:45:28]

rimad:

100hz

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gbee:

rimad: missed what has already been suggested, but is this mpeg2 or H.264?

[18:45:50]

rimad:

is it possible that other devices in the house are somehow interrupting signal?

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wagnerrp:

do you have multiple devices hooked into the cable line?

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rimad:

mpeg2 but it happens in anything

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wagnerrp:

your cable provider generally only amps for a small number of devices

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rimad:

wagnerrp, tried everything...multiple devices, one device....

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wagnerrp:

if you have too many devices, your signal strength could be too low

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rimad:

when i start up the channel its 98% signal strength...after a few seconds goes down to 90% and hangs

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rimad:

then i get all this weird image stuff and sound squeaking

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gbee:

or SD vs HD? The 'Skip loop filter' option would produce the same effect, picture is fine at first but degrades as you watch, but that only affects H.264 (plus it's not standard, but is patched into Mythbuntu or trunk)

[18:47:24]

wagnerrp:

anything above 75 or so and youre usually good

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wagnerrp:

gbee: hes seeing digital artifacting, not blurring

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wagnerrp:

(see log just before you got here)

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gbee:

wagnerrp: yes, which is exactly what happens with skiploop (I guess he meant that)

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gbee:

but since he's talking about mpeg2, it's not going to be that

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wagnerrp:

i thought the loop filter is just a deblocker

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jolaren:

Are there any easy way to add mythweb users?

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rimad:

tried various stuff, kaffeine player...vdr with xbmc, all same stuff.

[18:48:47]

jolaren:

Cant find it in the gui

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wagnerrp:

smooth out the lines between macroblocks

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j-rod:

macports is officially pissing me off with its decision to make their packaged installer drop stuff into /opt/local/

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gbee:

wagnerrp: it is, but digital artefacts appear as blocking, the effect is nearly identical only with deblocking disabled it occurs across the whole picture and without audio glitches

[18:49:47]

j-rod:

…which is wreaking havoc with attempting to build mythtv svn trunk, unless I"m just a total idiot

[18:50:01]

j-rod:

(which is a distinct possibility, mind you)

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rimad:

wagnerrp, is there anything i can do about this? i am running kubuntu on media center pc, it has TerraTec Cinergy HD PCI card

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skd5aner:

jolaren: there aren't users within mythweb, but you can setup different profiles based on user auth within apache

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wagnerrp:

rimad: theres generally nothing you can do about artifacting on digital cable, besides complaining to your cableco

[18:51:03]

rimad:

alright, thank you

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wagnerrp:

just make sure you arent attenuating the signal too much with too many devices

[18:51:18]

wagnerrp:

or adding noise into the line with a poor splitter or amplifier

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skd5aner:

jolaren: lookup digest authentication, and htdigest to create users

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rimad:

there is nothing else but a cable from the wall connector directly to pci card

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skd5aner:

jolaren: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Securing_MythWeb

[18:53:04]

gbee:

rimad: may be something like a damaged cable external to your property, just a slight breach in the sheathing, water gets in and signal quality (not strength) drops

[18:53:05]

wagnerrp:

you may be suffering from a ground loop, but thats entirely outside my knowledge base

[18:53:15]

skd5aner:

each account you log in with can have a different mythweb profile

[18:53:41]

wagnerrp:

rimad: i can only suggest you test with some other device capable of receiving DVB-C

[18:53:46]

wagnerrp:

if it has the same problems, call your cableco

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gbee:

signal quality is perhaps more important than strength, as an analogy you can hear a loud hailer from a mile away but due to distortion you may not be able to understand what is being said

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rimad:

ok thanks guy

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warlord:

What would cause Myth (0.22) to be able to scan and find a channel with an HDHR but then later not be able to tune it? The channel is not encrypted, and the hdhr gui can tune the channel fine and I can watch it with vlc?

[18:58:33]

gbee:

warlord: mythfrontend --version

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warlord:

Also 0.22, built from the same sources. Stdby.

[18:58:55]

jolaren:

There's a few type-o-s in MythWebs Swedish template

[18:58:59]

jolaren:

Should I report them somewhere?

[18:59:29]

skd5aner:

jolaren: might want to see if they've been fixed in trunk first

[18:59:35]

warlord:

gbee: Should I cut-and-paste all the output or use pastebin?

[18:59:39]

jolaren:

skd5aner: Aight

[18:59:53]

skd5aner:

jolaren: also, did you see the info regarding the "profiles" you were asking about?

[19:00:05]

iamlindoro:

You can submit a patch against the translation, but it's unlikely anyone will modify the translations themselves if typos are reported

[19:00:06]

skd5aner:

"users" – I mean

[19:00:08]

jolaren:

I did skd5aner, seemed like a hazzle tho so I'll try n do that later

[19:00:21]

iamlindoro:

that is to say, translation bugs without patches probably won't be looked at

[19:00:21]

gbee:

warlord: mythtv.pastebin.ca

[19:00:53]

skd5aner:

np, but if you are exposing mythweb to the public internet, I would strongly encourage you at least do it for those reasons... if one web crawler hits mythweb, it can cause chaos (happened to me several years ago)

[19:01:03]

jolaren:

[19:01:10]

warlord:

gbee: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1834195

[19:01:23]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: that should be fixed in current mythweb

[19:01:31]

iamlindoro:

jolaren: I understand, I am just saying generally speaking if you want a typo fixed you will need to provide a patch to fix it

[19:01:33]

wagnerrp:

but that still doesnt mean you should expose mythweb to the public internet

[19:01:41]

iamlindoro:

as translation errso are not things we really deal with

[19:01:45]

iamlindoro:

errors

[19:01:46]

warlord:

All my scanned channels tune in just fine except for 2 HD channels on one frequency. (A third, SD channel on that same frequency tunes in just fine)

[19:02:10]

iamlindoro:

There are probably *many* translation errors, but we don't have the manpower to deal with them other than applying patches

[19:02:14]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: gotcha – I figured that's probably been addressed – I think it was 2005 when it bit me :P

[19:02:21]

jolaren:

I understand. I will take a look later in trunk

[19:03:24]

gbee:

warlord: heh, that's missing the vital 'version' info, is this a package or did you build yourself?

[19:03:42]

warlord:

Built myself from 0.22-fixes

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[19:03:52]

gbee:

ok, recent?

[19:04:01]

warlord:

2 weeks?

[19:04:21]

j-rod:

warlord: hey, meant to get back to you last night, but was a bit tied up w/the kids :)

[19:04:25]

warlord:

gbee: -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 2330963 2010-02–20 10:25 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

[19:04:27]

jolaren:

Would it be a whole lot of a hazzle to make a user only see the flash recordings?

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[19:04:40]

warlord:

So.. 3 1/2 weeks?

[19:04:59]

warlord:

j-rod: No worries. I'm happy to take the help now.

[19:05:24]

warlord:

( i understand that family have to take precedence )

[19:05:26]

gbee:

ok, I was trying to establish whether you'd likely have any backported fixes relevant to the HDHR, 2–3 weeks would be enough so I guess we're looking at an unreported bug

[19:05:47]

gbee:

or one which has been fixed in trunk, but not backported

[19:06:16]

warlord:

gbee: not unreported: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8099

[19:06:42]

gbee:

warlord: OK, recently reported ;)

[19:06:47]

warlord:

heh.

[19:07:30]

warlord:

I haven't had the chance to try trunk. Jarod suggested I try it, but I've got limited hardware on which to test.

[19:07:40]

gbee:

I don't own a HDHR nor do I know anything useful about ATSC, so I'm unable to help here

[19:07:57]

warlord:

Well, this is QAM, not ATSC. But fair enough

[19:08:14]

skd5aner:

jolaren: "hastle" – and yes, it wouldn't trivial without you writing your own mythweb theme

[19:08:34]

warlord:

j-rod: feel free to chime in at any time now ;)

[19:08:45]

j-rod:

warlord: heh, deep in thought... :)

[19:08:47]

skd5aner:

of course, it's actually "hassle" haha

[19:09:26]

j-rod:

warlord: did using a different freq table make a difference for the actual tuning?

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frederik1986:

hi all

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gbee:

warlord: well one US transmission standard is the same as another to me :)

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j-rod:

gbee: they're all fail?

[19:10:10]

gbee:

if you can call something which only one country in the world uses a standard ;)

[19:10:14]

frederik1986:

i just did a clean install off fedora 12 with mythtv 0.22

[19:10:21]

skd5aner:

gbee: and Japan ;)

[19:10:29]

frederik1986:

having a problem with pm-suspend , it doesn't reload my ivtv modules

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[19:10:32]

warlord:

j-rod: Well, using the hdhr-gui I can tune this freq (98) using both us-cable and us-cable-irc. us-cable-hrc doesn't tune it in. I haven't tried re-scanning everything using a different table.

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skd5aner:

actually – I know they did NTSC-J, not sure if they do ATSC (or variant)

[19:10:45]

warlord:

(in myth)

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: japan uses ISDB-T

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gbee:

skd5aner: japan uses ISDB, no?

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oobe:

i remembere there was a guy in here from japan

[19:11:31]

warlord:

j-rod: also, all my other channels are fine, it's just this one (and only 2 of the 3 multiplexes on the one channel fail)

[19:11:34]

oobe:

had trouble finding a supported tuner iirc

[19:11:34]

j-rod:

warlord: huh, ok. so doubtful it should make a difference

[19:11:47]

skd5aner:

per you guys, sounds like it – I just know back in the day of analog, NTSC was used by both US and Japan, wasn't sure about what digital standard they deployed – thanks for the info

[19:12:25]

gbee:

only other country in the world to create their own standard instead of sticking with worldwide standards, in both cases it's merely protectionism, an attempt to favour local hardware manufacturers etc

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[19:13:07]

warlord:

j-rod: the myth backend (when asked to tune to one of these two channels) seems to find it okay, notice there are three, but then complains about an unknown table?

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j-rod:

warlord: yeah, reading over the ticket now… danielk is probably going to have to look at this one...

[19:14:11]

warlord:

stuartm at least just touched it to mark the milestone 0.23 4 minutes ago ;) (thank you, stuart)

[19:14:38]

skd5aner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Digital_bro . . . tandards.svg – nice basic info graphic of the standards :)

[19:15:27]

warlord:

j-rod: should I take this over to #myth-dev?

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gbee:

warlord: no guarentee that it will be dealt with any faster, but if it's confirmed as a bug then it really should get at least 5 minutes of attention for 0.23 release

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warlord:

gbee: well, 5 minutes attension is probably more that it's gotten so far. ;)

[19:18:49]

gbee:

skd5aner: aye, somehow Japan sold South America on ISDB

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warlord:

(modulo the people here)

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j-rod:

warlord: I'd say its a legitimate code issue, valid for discussion over there, and danielk22 is over in #mythtv (albeit away atm, apparently)

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warlord:

j-rod: thanks. I'll head over there!

[19:20:08]

** j-rod still reading over the log, trying to understand it **

[19:20:26]

warlord:

Hopefully I included enough information.

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gbee:

skd5aner: I'll let you draw your links between the corruptable nature of south american politicians and the adoption of a standard that no-one else is interested in ;) In fairness, I seem to recall that ISDB is better at dealing with mountains, which at least explains why the western countries in that continent might have favoured it

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sphery:

where's the warlord pastebin?

[19:22:57]

gbee:

sphery: 'exported'

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sphery:

missing DB table is almost definitely not a code issue

[19:23:11]

sphery:

looking for the log

[19:23:34]

gbee:

oh, probably in the ticket then, I didn't look at a log

[19:23:54]

sphery:

oh, that's DVB tables, not DB tables.

[19:23:55]

sphery:

nvm

[19:23:58]

warlord:

sphery: the log is in the ticket. The table issue is "2010-02–22 08:52:15.659 ATSCStreamData::HandleTables(): Unknown table 0xc0"

[19:24:05]

gbee:

sphery: heh

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sphery:

I thought it was a different known issue with an invalid upgrade approach

[19:24:17]

warlord:

(although that may be irrelevant)

[19:24:21]

sphery:

sorry--too many uses for "table" and I always go to the DB one :)

[19:24:40]

warlord:

Heh, no, not a DB issue afaict.

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skd5aner:

gbee: yea, I'm reading about some of the strengths and weaknesses of the standards, kinda interesting

[19:25:00]

sphery:

yeah... too bad, though--I could probably have told you what to do to fix the DB issue :)

[19:25:18]

warlord:

If it was just a DB issue I could probably have already fixed it myself ;)

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jolaren:

All of a sudden I can't get lock on my channels

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sphery:

wow, that lightning was close

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sphery:

jolaren: if you're anywhere near me, maybe it's the storm :)

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wagnerrp:

that must be a REALLY BIG storm

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sphery:

would have to be IIRC--I think he's in a different country

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AndyCap:

not that far from sweden to the us. :P

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sphery:

the Great Red Spot would cover it

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iamlindoro:

as well as the rest of the earth

[19:45:13]

iamlindoro:

and the moon

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sphery:

heh

[19:46:05]

sphery:

the weather.com image for the area looks almost as bad as the GRS

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jolaren:

Really strange tho

[19:46:14]

jolaren:

Even removed the splitter now

[19:46:17]

jolaren:

same-o same-o

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sphery:

warlord: FWIW, if you have SCTE65 in use in your area, you might want to look into scte65scan

[19:49:18]

warlord:

sphery: I have no idea if it's in use or not.

[19:49:41]

warlord:

But I've already done full scans, including figuring out what each channel is... So I'm just trying to get these two HDs to record (ABC and FOX)

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sphery:

warlord: If after upgrading to trunk you find tuning works, please report the results on the ticket so it can be closed. Thanks.

[19:52:56]

warlord:

Of course!

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Shiny sunny here :)

[19:53:18]

iamlindoro:

Though a slightly chilly 57

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sphery:

well, I'm in The Sunshine State, so you'd expect a lot of rainstorms

[19:53:48]

sphery:

It's a nice 70F here

[19:54:05]

sphery:

just a bit wet

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sphery:

I love the new weather.com pages... "We were unable to find any ski resorts near your location."

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sphery:

ya think?

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iamlindoro:

I like that the google predictive search now gives you the weather results

[19:56:06]

iamlindoro:

type in "Orlando weather" and you see the weather at the bottom without finishing the search

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice

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sphery:

that predictive interface is good--I love when it gives me the right suggestion when I have my hands offset from home keys

[20:07:17]

warlord:

google is getting too smart — it's almost as smart as a 5yo

[20:08:25]

sphery:

how long does it take for skynet to go from "smart as a 5yo" to Judgement Day?

[20:08:46]

warlord:

sphery: that's a very good question!

[20:09:10]

sphery:

guess that would depend on which reality we're in--before Sarah Connor killed the first Terminator or ...

[20:11:29]

justinh:

hmm. my hatred of perl grows stronger today

[20:11:40]

justinh:

but it's either this or java.. and I know jack about that

[20:12:47]

jolaren:

Channels came back like magic

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jolaren:

I'm on sphery line now with teh weather

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sphery:

so it /is/ a huge storm

[20:14:43]

justinh:

arhhh the only other one is python. Grrr

[20:15:33]

** sphery wonders how he can delete a post from the users list archive **

[20:15:59]

wagnerrp:

someone just post some _really_ bad advice?

[20:16:15]

sphery:

no, this is one of mine from 2004

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** wagnerrp thinks Tim Raphael has never seen the 'reply' button **

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sphery:

The post in question has an attachment with source code that has a couple of memory leaks in it.

[20:19:30]

iamlindoro:

you should be ashamed of yourself

[20:19:30]

wagnerrp:

well just rest assured that anyone still running 0.14 hates you

[20:19:31]

sphery:

but, in theory, it's executed exactly once on startup and only leaks a few hundred bytes, so not a big deal

[20:19:47]

iamlindoro:

Udo's point, proven! Myth full of leaks!

[20:20:17]

sphery:

I had accidentally deleted my file server a couple years ago, so I needed this source to get my new system working the way I like, but then I read it and now I'm fixing it on principle

[20:20:31]

sphery:

this is actually outside of myth

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sphery:

but that's all the detail you'll get from me :)

[20:20:46]

sphery:

(for fear that someone will find it)

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wagnerrp:

go go gadget google!

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sphery:

ok, actually no leaks... just not pretty

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wagnerrp:

bleh... google search doesnt let you specify a date range

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you can specify a date range in google search

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wagnerrp:

no matter... im back to debugging anyway

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skd5aner:

search for something, then at the top of the results page, click "show options", then on the left hand side you can select "specify date range"

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wagnerrp:

where i was at only allowed a 'within the last ...'

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skd5aner:

hmmm, I see, not sure about other places, but – I just verified, and there is indeed a date range from a standard results page

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jolaren:

pictures down again

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jolaren:

:P

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skd5aner:

re: google suggest – great feature they finally pulled out of labs, but man is it funny to see why people search for. ex. Try "Why are" and see what google suggests based on highly search for terms

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justinh:

bah. stupid xml::rss ending up with a hash in it instead of a number

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yes, always a source of amusement... http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/google_suggest.jpg

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: haha, yea the wife and I was bored a few months back and was IM'ing each other a ton of random ones like that...

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skd5aner:

Google has cleaned them up a little since

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wagnerrp:

oh come on, something better than that fourth response?

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skd5aner:

for example "what are" – the first google suggest used to be "What are these strawberries doing on my nipples? I need them for the fruit salad!"

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skd5aner:

apparently, because it's a book title, but still

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skd5aner:

no longer

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I remember that baby/blood one, we were busting up

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skd5aner:

"why does my girlfriend" "why does my boyfriend" wife/husband, etc "how do I" "is it normal" just make it up as you go along, you'll find some strange ones out there :)

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AndyCap:

I wish google had this http://www.kvasir.no/trend/nokkelhullet

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wagnerrp:

they havent done it too much...

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skd5aner:

can't read that – I'm guessing it's live search results?

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wagnerrp:

'why.... can't I own a canadian'

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AndyCap:

queries, but yes

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, I think that's a parody of something, I remember looking that one up when it popped up

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AndyCap:

haha, people searching for "googel" and not just one time

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skd5aner:

I mean, they don't really do much cleanup – but I can definitely tell you some of the funny stuff that used to be there has either been cleaned up or fallen down the list.

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: anonymous can't be everywhere to prop up their seeded results. :P

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wagnerrp:

a democrat wants to ban all use of salt in the preparation of food in restaurants

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: in NYC? I know that's a hot topic the last couple of months there

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jolaren:

Is it normal behaviour for the channel scanning part to drop signal strenght? I mean it goes from 60% to 0% etc

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gbee:

just played with the predictive search stuff, some pretty disturbing results, although to be fair, you have to be angling your query to find them – "How to molest" for an example

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iamlindoro:

good lord

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skd5aner:

gbee: disturbing, I'll take your word for it and not see what comes up

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gbee:

probably better that way

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iamlindoro:

You know, the upside to working on MythGame is that you can know for sure that nobody else's commits are going to trample over your work

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: what parts you working on?

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wagnerrp:

gbee: im sure people intentionally filled that one for a joke

[21:01:47]

iamlindoro:

UI rework

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skd5aner:

cool, glad to see it get some lovin'

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** gbee starts committing random whitespace and refactor changes to mythgame **

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iamlindoro:

it will be much much closer to MythVideo/MythNetvision for .24

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iamlindoro:

haha

[21:02:19]

skd5aner:

I wanted to do some auto coverart detection for the games, but haven't gotten around to it

[21:02:51]

skd5aner:

Is that something you are covering in your to-do list, or perhaps I should still take a look at it before .24

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`shr00m:

anyone have experience getting a diseqc rotor working?

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iamlindoro:

will be interesting to get home and find out if all of this actually works

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justinh:

gah. wth is up with this? getting @stat($filepath), then printing $stat[7] gives me the zie put when the rss module tries to use it it's pulling a hash

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: If I were to look at that at all, it would be as a part of adding metadata grabbing

[21:05:22]

skd5aner:

I think mythgame right now will automatically load screenshots based on ROM name matching file name, but would like to implement the same functionally for the game cover art

[21:05:45]

iamlindoro:

I wouldn't bother, since I am likely to scrap all that code

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skd5aner:

figured it would probably be easy to replicate

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skd5aner:

darn, haha – well, maybe you'll path the way to a better solution as part of your efforts

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i_is_cat:

so i barely use mythmusic at all but i turned it on today and found out like 90% of my music is under "unknown artist" just wondering if anyone can recommend the best way to edit the files so they show properly..

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skd5aner:

now all we need is a tgdb.org for games ;)

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i_is_cat:

hmm im gonna check out this easytag program..

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AndyCap:

i_is_cat: easytag is ok. I've been using picard with acceptable levels of success

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i_is_cat:

cool ty for the info :)

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gbee:

i_is_cat: where did all that music come from? Or rather, what app did you use to rip it?

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: I've used MusicBrainz and picard (and classic tagger before that) for years. I really like it

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i_is_cat:

i honestly dont remember how i ripped this music its been so long since ive listened to any of it.. i ripped all these cds and put them on my mp3 player and havent touched my music in nearly 2yrs lol

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skd5aner:

i_is_cat: are they tagged at all? Are the files named something relative to the artist/title/album?

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i_is_cat:

no the files themselves are just named #_songname.mp3 located in a folder that is named artist_album

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AndyCap:

gbee: got any ripping recommendations btw?

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skd5aner:

OK – at least you can configure the taggers to have some level of intelligence to help you pick the right artist/album

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: what platform?

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gbee:

AndyCap: I don't use anything but mythmusic for ripping these days

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gbee:

i_is_cat: you can define the filename/directory structure you use so that it will attempt to gather the metadata from that instead

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: on Windows, I'm extremely happy with EAC (Exact Audio Copy) – been using it for years

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skd5aner:

I still tag with picard/MB though after rip

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gbee:

i_is_cat: so you'd enter something like ARTIST_ALBUM/TRACKNO_TRACKNAME.EXT

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AndyCap:

ok. I'll see what I can find. did what I have so far with grip

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skd5aner:

AndyCap: lots of good guides out there: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T . . . aql=&oq=

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: yeah, set up eac on my parents pc for their cd collection. but switched to ripstation iirc.

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skd5aner:

EAC isn't necessarily the easiest, for sure

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skd5aner:

for my folks, iTunes is enough – don't want to have to try to explain EAC

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skd5aner:

but, EAC is generally loved by audiophiles (I am not one)

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skd5aner:

does a good job on error correction when I have badly scratched CDs

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wagnerrp:

thats because its one of the few rippers that will rip to wav and flac

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skd5aner:

Well, I even meant for lossless encoding, but that's true too

[21:21:26]

hachi:

hey folks, is there a way to play the mpeg2 files that come from a PVR-350 recording in mythtv inside VLC?

[21:21:41]

wagnerrp:

hachi: why would you want to use VLC?

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hachi:

because I would like to let my friend see a recording of the oscars that I made

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hachi:

and I don't want to tell him that he has to install and set up a copy of mythtv on his macintosh computers

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skd5aner:

hachi: probably best to not discuss "sharing" of recordings

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hachi:

allright, so you don't want to know why I'm wanting to play it in VLC

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gbee:

hachi: vlc will play mpeg2 without any hassle

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warlord:

unfortunately trunk didn't fix my tuning problem. :-(

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skd5aner:

well, look and see where the recording was stored, and just use that file location

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hachi:

it stutters and skips most of it

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wagnerrp:

just use VLC (or whatever other player you want) independently of mythtv

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skd5aner:

even if it's played back locally?

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hachi:

yes, that's why I'm asking

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wagnerrp:

PVR recordings should play back fine on just about any system

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skd5aner:

does it stutter or skip in mplayer or anything else?

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hachi:

because I got the file out just fine, but it acts like the file is corrupted majorly

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hachi:

but it plays just fine in mythtv

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gbee:

try another player, sounds like VLC is buggy

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hachi:

ok, will do

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skd5aner:

speaking of ripping, I'm curious what most people are doing to rip their DVD collection. I've gone back and forth over the years, including using myth, but now I use some other tools

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wagnerrp:

megui

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** gbee doesn't rip DVDs, ISO ftw **

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skd5aner:

I still prefer ISOs, simply because I can keep the DVD menu structure, but often times will still compress the video on occasion to reduce file size and to allow me to burn it to a DVD-R (SL) if I want

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skd5aner:

I think almost all of my collection is either full ISOs (which myth is great at doing that for me) or compressed ones

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wagnerrp:

ive never bothered with isos

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skd5aner:

I used to use myth to rip the main title, but I think I've been able to go back and replace those with ISOs for the most part

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wagnerrp:

never really bothered with bonus content either

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: typically, that's what I'll compress as much as possible – bonus stuff

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skd5aner:

it's there if I want it, but it's not wasting as much space

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skd5aner:

remove additional languages, audio tracks, etc

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skd5aner:

gbee: so, you're kinda like me then... prefer the ISOs, but have to live without SGs for now :)

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gbee:

yeah :/

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skd5aner:

Usually, on most of my DVDs, I'm able to review DTS or additional language tracks, highly compress the bonus stuff, keep the menu uncompressed, and barely have to compress the main title (if at all)

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skd5aner:

s/review/remove

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troyt:

Quick question (I hope): I've been setting up MythTV with my HD-PVR box. The driver is fine; I can get a usable video stream if I cat from /dev/video0.

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troyt:

However, when I try to watch live TV, I get the following error (in my mythbackedn.log)

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troyt:

2010-03–11 15:18:42.789 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Error -1 while setting frequency (v2): Invalid argument

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troyt:

2010-03–11 15:18:42.792 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 278. Reverting to kState_None

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troyt:

The HD-PVR doesn't actually have a tuner; it just grabs from component out. Any ideas?

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abqjp:

troyt: have you tried to manually run your channel change script from the command line, to make sure it works?

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justinh:

ahhh blimmin xml::rss was missing a description tag.

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justinh:

it's almost as easy to write the damn files yourself without resorting to 'helper' modules

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troyt:

OK; what is the channel change script, and how does one do it? (For the moment, I'm fine with a null process returning success... I'll worry about getting it working with the IR blaster later)

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iamlindoro:

abqjp: troyt: Preset tuner to channel is set

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iamlindoro:

read the tooltip

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iamlindoro:

it specifically refers to devices with tuners-- the HD-PVR does not have a tuner

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troyt:

iamlindoro: OK; which setup is that in – the mythtv-setup gui?

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iamlindoro:

so since you've told the HD-PVR to set its tuner to channel whatever, it is dutifully attempting to do so, and failing

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iamlindoro:

the only setup for your capture sevice. Yes, mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

s/sevice/device/

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troyt:

That's pretty much what I thought; it was how to fix it that was having me puzzled.

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iamlindoro:

remove the text that you input into that box

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iamlindoro:

You typed in a channel number

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troyt:

I think it's blank... let me load it.

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troyt:

OK, I'm looking at it – Display Name & video source are set, but the 'external channel change command' is blank, as is 'preset tuner to channel'

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iamlindoro:

You must have a channel change script set

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abqjp:

troyt: You must have a channel change script. Even if it is just /bin/true

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iamlindoro:

kinda like it says in the HD-PVR wiki page ;)

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troyt:

OK; that wasn't in the tooltip ;) I looked at the kiki page, but didn't see the channel change script... then again, I was searching for 'tuner'

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iamlindoro:

"Enter option 4, "Input Connections." Connect the video source to the appropriate input on the HD-PVR. Important Note: You must set a channel change script for the HD-PVR to work properly. If you don't care about channel changes, you can set it to /bin/true, but there absolutely must be a channel change script defined. Important Note 2: You must leave Preset tuner to channel empty or LiveTV and channel changes will not work."

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iamlindoro:

reading > skimming > searching

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troyt:

Yup, now I see it. <homer simpson d'oh>

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troyt:

Thanks.

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when i'm trying to use .asx streams it says destination doesnt exist

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dashcloud:

hi, does the GeForce 8400GS do MPEG1/2 hardware decoding as well as H264? the myth wiki and wikipedia say yes, nvidia's 190.53 release notes say no

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