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[00:18:06] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: I completely agree with your conclusion that EMML/Mashups are the way to go. Now we just need to make a C++/Qt implementation of an EMML runtime (mythmashup :) to make it really easy for users. |
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[00:19:10] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Do not under estimate the complexity in creating an EMML mashup script. |
[00:19:24] | ** sphery wonders if we could get dblain interested in doing that... ** | |
[00:19:43] | sphery: | Yeah, figuring it's not trivial since it seems that the reference implementation is pretty much the only one out there. |
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[00:20:04] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, note he's talking about a Qt EMML runtime |
[00:20:14] | iamlindoro: | meaning removing the need for Tomcat/etc. |
[00:20:58] | sphery: | we have to get cdev (dblain) off his UPnP and MythXML kick and get him sidetracked with EMML |
[00:22:47] | RDV_Linux: | Have I become redundant this quickly;) Heck the thing is not even in alpha yet;) |
[00:23:04] | sphery: | no, you're welcome to write it yourself |
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[00:23:21] | sphery: | just figured that it would be easier to get someone else to do it :) |
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[00:25:53] | danielqb: | hello |
[00:25:59] | sphery: | hello |
[00:26:11] | danielqb: | # of port to configure ZoneMinder??? |
[00:26:26] | iamlindoro: | sentence fragment give answer immediate! |
[00:26:27] | danielqb: | sorry Hello |
[00:26:30] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythZoneMinder |
[00:26:33] | sphery: | perhaps? |
[00:26:43] | sphery: | btw, didn't MZM die? |
[00:27:07] | sphery: | (i.e. get removed in the 0.23 development effort) |
[00:27:16] | danielqb: | n in this not tellme the # port, he say the default port is 6548 |
[00:27:21] | sphery: | maybe not |
[00:27:27] | danielqb: | !!!!! |
[00:27:37] | sphery: | I still have --disable-mythzoneminder in my build commands |
[00:27:52] | sphery: | so it must still exist |
[00:28:06] | iamlindoro: | danielqb, The port is whatever port you have Zoneminder running on |
[00:28:19] | iamlindoro: | presumably that defaults to 6548. If your setup is exotic or differs, then you will need to figure it out |
[00:28:24] | danielqb: | mmm, but ZM is the web service |
[00:28:28] | sphery: | and the MythZMServer port default is 6548 but can be changed |
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[00:29:11] | danielqb: | yea, i look the options on my ZM and not found this |
[00:29:33] | iamlindoro: | please read the above wiki page |
[00:29:35] | iamlindoro: | " Running MythZMServer |
[00:29:36] | iamlindoro: | You should usually start mythzmserver as a service at boot time. It must be started after the ZoneMinder server has been started. One way to do this is to modify the ZM startup script to also start/stop mythzmserver. The server should be run as either root or as the same user that ZM uses. By default the server will listen on port 6548 and will read the ZM config from /etc/zm.conf if you need to change any of these you can add a param |
[00:29:36] | iamlindoro: | eter to change them. See the README in the mythzmserver source directory for a list of available parameters. " |
[00:29:54] | sphery: | danielqb: in mythfrontend, go to the setup for MythZoneMinder, then find the setting: "Port the server runs on: Unless you've got good reason to, don't change this." |
[00:30:06] | sphery: | defaults to 6548 |
[00:30:22] | sphery: | and make sure you don't have firewalls blocking it |
[00:30:44] | ** iamlindoro points sphery at the above too ;) ** | |
[00:30:51] | sphery: | yeah |
[00:30:59] | iamlindoro: | look carefully at the name of the program being run |
[00:31:00] | iamlindoro: | :) |
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[00:39:08] | jams: | well after about an hour of troubleshooting why the picture jumps and is blocky I have concluded that time warner is the program |
[00:39:26] | jams: | watching the analog channels on a analog tv shows the same problem..so it must be their signal |
[00:39:42] | jams: | and their support line is busy..so i suspsect others are having the same trouble |
[00:40:04] | sphery: | heh |
[00:40:11] | sphery: | gotta love cable |
[00:40:46] | jams: | yeah..it really looked like mysql was the problem, just the way everything was so blockly and stuttering |
[00:40:53] | sphery: | and yet their primary commercial push is "And without all those drop-outs/signal issues you get with satellite." |
[00:41:29] | jams: | yep |
[00:41:31] | sphery: | our cable co (Brighthouse, formerly TWC) has significantly more signal issues than satellite services did when I used Dish |
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[00:42:05] | sphery: | our = my area (I use OTA) |
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[00:52:23] | skd5aner: | great – got a notice in the mail that TWC is going to reorder their ENTIRE lineup above 100 :P |
[00:53:05] | skd5aner: | This should be fun :'( |
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[01:05:29] | jams: | skd5aner- they did that here already about 5 months ago. schedules direct created a brand new lineup, so I all had todo was switch line ups and it worked |
[01:05:46] | jams: | correct a few recording schedules but for the most part it was simple |
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[01:13:12] | Beirdo: | ahoy there... from Seattle :) |
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[01:15:41] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to our time zone |
[01:16:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[01:16:12] | Beirdo: | my body thinks its 9pm |
[01:16:28] | iamlindoro: | That means you get to wait until midnight your time to watch LOST :) |
[01:16:34] | Beirdo: | gonna go hunt me some food shortly |
[01:17:00] | wagnerrp: | isnt that why he installed mythtv? |
[01:17:03] | iamlindoro: | I think I mention this once per month or so, but... I would so pay a few extra bucks a month for an east coast feed of all my shows |
[01:17:10] | iamlindoro: | I can't wait for lost, personally :) |
[01:17:35] | iamlindoro: | (that is to say, I can't stand to timeshift it, I end up watching it semi-live) |
[01:17:53] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[01:18:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: actually... hes one more past that |
[01:18:03] | wagnerrp: | 1AM |
[01:18:34] | iamlindoro: | ah, yeah |
[01:19:41] | wagnerrp: | or does it air at 8PM over there? (it airs at 9PM here) |
[01:20:05] | wagnerrp: | oh you evil evil time zones |
[01:20:50] | Beirdo: | I dunno, I don't get crap at where I'm staying in PR |
[01:21:03] | Beirdo: | our house, sure, but I'm only there on the weekends |
[01:21:14] | Beirdo: | as the 1.5h daily commute was killing me |
[01:21:57] | Beirdo: | staying in the empty half of my mother-in-law's house.. no cable unless I pay. bleh :) |
[01:22:00] | wagnerrp: | one side of the island to the other? |
[01:22:06] | Beirdo: | nearly |
[01:22:16] | Beirdo: | Dorado to Isabela |
[01:23:55] | wagnerrp: | imdb gets data from TMS? |
[01:27:59] | Beirdo: | wouldn't surprise me |
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[01:35:25] | ThisOtherGuy: | RDV_Linux: I like how the update manager pops up at the end of that video – that thing always pops up at the wrong time |
[01:35:53] | ** iamlindoro notes the update manager was alt-tabbed to ** | |
[01:36:30] | RDV_Linux: | That was all iamlindoro's doing. I only take credit for the new grabber;) |
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[01:46:04] | jaypetey: | I have a python script that I wrote that I intend to use as a user job. The script works perfectly when run from the terminal, but when run from a user job it exits extremely early (no errors, but the script doesn't really run either). Does anyone know any tricks to make custom user jobs work? |
[01:48:05] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings/Data_Objects#Job |
[01:48:38] | wagnerrp: | if you give me 15 minutes, ill fill out the documentation on that a bit more |
[01:49:03] | jaypetey: | wagnerrp, thanks. i'll look into it too |
[01:49:31] | wagnerrp: | (this is assuming youre running trunk |
[01:49:49] | wagnerrp: | if not, youve got a couple weeks before this stuff gets into the release version |
[01:50:20] | jaypetey: | yeah, i'm running whatever it is mythbuntu gives me |
[01:51:08] | wagnerrp: | how are you currently calling it? |
[01:51:32] | jaypetey: | calling mythtv? or calling my script? |
[01:51:43] | wagnerrp: | how is mythtv calling your script |
[01:52:34] | jaypetey: | user job #1 (as setup by backend setup program), calling: /home/joe/script.py %CHANID% %STARTTIME% |
[01:52:53] | wagnerrp: | and when you run that manually, things work? |
[01:53:03] | jaypetey: | perfectly |
[01:53:07] | wagnerrp: | are you sure youre giving it the same chanid and starttime that the script expects? |
[01:53:15] | wagnerrp: | youve got two separate times |
[01:53:25] | wagnerrp: | the scheduled time of the program |
[01:53:30] | wagnerrp: | and the actual time of the recording |
[01:53:44] | jaypetey: | hmm, which one is the one used in the filenames? |
[01:53:47] | wagnerrp: | if you have a recording start offset, these will differ |
[01:54:09] | jaypetey: | oh, i don't have offset |
[01:54:35] | wagnerrp: | it would be better if you didnt combine them like that if possible |
[01:54:54] | wagnerrp: | use the chanid and starttime to look up the recording in the database, use the entry in the database to look up the file basename |
[01:55:12] | jaypetey: | not combined, they're two different argument variables |
[01:55:27] | wagnerrp: | i realize that |
[01:55:33] | jaypetey: | i do use them to lookup the filename in the database... |
[01:55:44] | wagnerrp: | oh |
[01:56:09] | wagnerrp: | when you asked which one was used in the filename, i thought you meant you were just accessing 'chanid_starttime.mpg' |
[01:56:33] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to look into your backend logs and get the traceback from the job |
[01:56:34] | jaypetey: | no, i was asking that because i look at the filename to determine the argv's when calling from terminal |
[01:57:19] | k-man: | any idea if mythfrontend can play back HD content on a mac mini 1.8Ghz core 2 duo under OSX (not linux)? |
[01:57:27] | k-man: | ie, has enough grunt to |
[01:57:40] | wagnerrp: | ambiguous question |
[01:57:52] | wagnerrp: | what is 'HD content' |
[01:58:06] | k-man: | wagnerrp: 1080p content in Australia, DVB-T |
[01:58:15] | jaypetey: | so, for the file "1021_20100309180000.mpg i would call the script as: /home/joe/script.py 1021 20100309180000 |
[01:58:18] | wagnerrp: | still need more... mpeg2 or h264? |
[01:58:26] | k-man: | wagnerrp: let me check hang on |
[01:58:33] | wagnerrp: | jaypetey: that looks right |
[01:59:06] | wagnerrp: | k-man: it should handle any mpeg2 you have just fine |
[01:59:13] | jaypetey: | which would be the same as calling as a user job: /home/joe/script.py %CHANID% %STARTTIME% correct? |
[01:59:22] | wagnerrp: | h264, it would depend on whether its multi-sliced, and what bitrate |
[01:59:26] | wagnerrp: | but youre probably fine there too |
[01:59:37] | wagnerrp: | jaypetey: it should, yes |
[02:00:00] | k-man: | wagnerrp: you got me there, i have no idea the exact format that is transmitted in Aus, but i do recall hearing that no broadcaster is transmitting above 720p at the moment |
[02:00:02] | jaypetey: | means my troubles are deeper... do you know where the backend logs are stored on mythbuntu? |
[02:00:06] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, every time ive done that, ive just handed off the jobid, and pulled the chanid and starttime from the database |
[02:00:08] | k-man: | but i could be wrong on that count too |
[02:00:16] | wagnerrp: | maybe /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
[02:00:31] | jaypetey: | k-man, if you're not transcoding it (or using mythtv's built in transcoder) then it's mpeg2 |
[02:00:33] | wagnerrp: | 720p is also ambiguous |
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[02:00:58] | wagnerrp: | resolution, codec, and possibly entropy coding are what matters most |
[02:01:13] | wagnerrp: | and in the AU, it could be mpeg2 or h264 |
[02:01:35] | k-man: | wagnerrp: ok – im searching google for something more specific – still looking |
[02:02:07] | wagnerrp: | k-man: ffmpeg -i recording_file |
[02:02:13] | iamlindoro: | For reference, nobody in australia is broadcasting 1080p |
[02:02:18] | k-man: | wagnerrp: not at home right now – so i cant |
[02:02:31] | iamlindoro: | 1080i, sure... 1080p, nuh-uh |
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[02:02:59] | wagnerrp: | s/resolution/bitrate/ |
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[02:07:48] | k-man: | wagnerrp: according to wikipedia, in aus, they use mpeg-2 and H.264 |
[02:08:02] | k-man: | wagnerrp: still looking for info on resolution and bitrate |
[02:08:22] | iamlindoro: | those won't be things you can look up |
[02:08:27] | iamlindoro: | you'll need access to the file itself |
[02:08:28] | wagnerrp: | not resolution, i misspoke... just bitrate |
[02:08:36] | wagnerrp: | you cant ssh into your machine? |
[02:08:36] | k-man: | oh |
[02:08:37] | k-man: | ok |
[02:08:44] | k-man: | wagnerrp: no, its switched off currently |
[02:08:54] | k-man: | wagnerrp: just moved house and haven't fully set up yet |
[02:09:05] | k-man: | ill check later |
[02:12:16] | iamlindoro: | Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #7439: Created DVD truncated length |
[02:12:16] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
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[02:13:31] | k-man: | anyway, thanks for your help wagnerrp |
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[02:15:08] | jaypetey: | wagnerrp, thanks from me too. i think i might have found my problem. |
[02:15:59] | wagnerrp: | anyway, check out the python documentation on the wiki |
[02:16:00] | k-man: | wagnerrp: i thought the machine was off, but my wife must have turned it on, bitrate 5909 kb/s mpeg2 720x576 |
[02:16:19] | k-man: | i usually record SD so not sure if thats an HD recording but i guess it is based on the resolution |
[02:16:21] | wagnerrp: | the new versions should take the place of just about any direct sql calls you may have made |
[02:16:23] | iamlindoro: | so 576i rather than 720p |
[02:16:27] | iamlindoro: | ie, that recording is SD |
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[02:16:58] | iamlindoro: | a mac mini should make short work of that |
[02:17:02] | k-man: | ah, good point iamlindoro |
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[02:18:19] | iamlindoro: | if your mac mini has nvidia graphics, it shoudl handle any broadcast media in Aus |
[02:18:56] | k-man: | iamlindoro: ok – actually, im going to get an older one because they can output to svideo |
[02:19:02] | k-man: | until i get an HD capable tv |
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[02:19:42] | iamlindoro: | even without nVidia graphics, that system should be okay with just about any MPEG-2 content you throw at it-- H.264 of some bitrates and encodings may give it a bit of trouble |
[02:20:14] | k-man: | i plan to run it under osx though |
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[02:20:17] | k-man: | so i can use itunes |
[02:20:37] | k-man: | oh – which is irrelevant to your statemnt. sorry |
[02:20:41] | iamlindoro: | all bets off under OS X |
[02:20:52] | iamlindoro: | should still be mostly okay with MPEG-2 and some H.264... just can't promise |
[02:21:22] | k-man: | ok, no worries |
[02:21:33] | k-man: | thanks for your input iamlindoro and wagnerrp |
[02:21:38] | iamlindoro: | np |
[02:22:16] | k-man: | i just have to find a solution to get the backing/frontend out of the living room. i can't stand listening to the fans and hard drives any more |
[02:22:19] | k-man: | its driving me nuts |
[02:22:43] | iamlindoro: | for the cost of even a used mini, you could buy an nVidia ION, put linux on it, and play just about anything |
[02:22:51] | iamlindoro: | and it'd be tiny and quiet |
[02:23:09] | k-man: | except you can't run itunes on that |
[02:23:28] | iamlindoro: | sure, but itunes on a TV system isn't a great experience either |
[02:23:40] | iamlindoro: | alternatively, dual boot the ION and run iTunes |
[02:23:47] | k-man: | true – but i can use the osx remote desktop app |
[02:23:53] | k-man: | no, dual booting is fail |
[02:24:15] | k-man: | imho |
[02:24:21] | iamlindoro: | you're right, dual boot much less friendly than having to run remote desktop to play your music |
[02:24:24] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
[02:24:36] | k-man: | :) |
[02:24:51] | k-man: | no... also there is the iphone itunes remote app which is cool too |
[02:24:54] | iamlindoro: | anyway, most here would argue iTunes sucks/is fail./whatever |
[02:25:24] | k-man: | iamlindoro: perhaps, but i want to try this route – i have been using myth music for years and to be honest it is just too difficult |
[02:26:06] | k-man: | at least for me anyway |
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[02:26:28] | k-man: | i have a friend who has done it that way and he swears by it – but he does have an HDTV |
[02:27:24] | tzanger: | k-man: tried minimyth? |
[02:28:09] | k-man: | tzanger: no, whats that? |
[02:28:24] | tzanger: | diskless mythtv frontend distro |
[02:28:28] | tzanger: | I use it, works great |
[02:28:31] | k-man: | cool |
[02:28:34] | tzanger: | mythmusic, mythvideo, mythdvd, etc all in there |
[02:28:43] | iamlindoro: | s/mythdvd// |
[02:28:49] | iamlindoro: | (since it doesn't exist any more) |
[02:28:51] | k-man: | how do you find mythmusic? personally i find it difficult to use |
[02:29:25] | iamlindoro: | mythmusic is getting rewritten from scratch for .24 FWIW |
[02:29:32] | tzanger: | it's not great, no, but it works great fo rme for streaming some nice relaxing music when the wife and I want to enjoy a glass of wine or something |
[02:29:50] | k-man: | iamlindoro: thats interesting to know, thanks for the update |
[02:31:25] | k-man: | iamlindoro: i saw a long thread about myth music on the mailing lists – maybe that was the precursor to this rewrite? |
[02:34:34] | iamlindoro: | It was an ill-advised opening of the rewrite to UI ideas |
[02:34:47] | iamlindoro: | so instead of what we asked for, we got four thousand feature requests |
[02:34:59] | iamlindoro: | few having anything to do with the UI |
[02:35:17] | k-man: | hehe |
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[02:36:10] | k-man: | iamlindoro: i have often thought about the challenge of managing music, even considered writing something myselfe once but I came to the conclusion that it is a very difficult problem in fact |
[02:36:44] | k-man: | of all the programs that try and do it, itunes is the _least worst_ imho – and itunes still sucks imho |
[02:37:06] | iamlindoro: | Impossible to please everyone, and every myth user you don't please is all too happy to get on the mailing lists, slashdot, and anywhere else to tell you how you personally are an a-hole for failing to make his dreams come true |
[02:37:37] | k-man: | iamlindoro: yeah, that is a very sad aspect of mythtv. i fail to understand that attitude |
[02:38:25] | iamlindoro: | Pretty much completely burned two very talented themers and guaranteed that they will never release another theme publicly |
[02:38:37] | k-man: | iamlindoro: very very sad |
[02:38:40] | iamlindoro: | yep :( |
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[02:39:29] | k-man: | interesting to consider, do other large software projects suffer from a similar issue? like the kernel for instance? |
[02:39:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[02:39:59] | Beirdo: | lusers wouldn't have a clue what to request in the kernel |
[02:40:08] | Beirdo: | other than "support this crappy card" |
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[02:41:56] | k-man: | yeah, i think that mythtv attracts less knowledgable users |
[02:42:01] | Beirdo: | but yeah, the ingrates can mike life miserable |
[02:42:14] | iamlindoro: | k-man, I have (I believe) worked hard to soften our image with users and increase dialog since becoming a myth dev (organized the theme contest, have done my best to clean up this channel, etc), but even I just can't follow the user list any more... it's way too caustic |
[02:42:37] | k-man: | iamlindoro: interesting |
[02:43:14] | k-man: | iamlindoro: as in you used to read the users list but not any more? |
[02:43:15] | iamlindoro: | Why anyone feels that they can use downright cruel language about someone else's year-or-two worth of work and then expect that that person will want to listen to "suggestions" (which sometimes feel vaguely like emotional blackmail) is beyond me |
[02:43:22] | Beirdo: | make (I am having typing issues) |
[02:43:45] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: it's the "I'm entitled to everything" syndrome |
[02:43:54] | iamlindoro: | yeah, entitlement culture... it's sad |
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[02:44:07] | k-man: | Beirdo: yeah, exactly – where does that come from? |
[02:44:07] | Beirdo: | and aggravating to boot :) |
[02:44:15] | Beirdo: | spoiled brats |
[02:44:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp has a cartoon that explains it |
[02:44:28] | k-man: | gen y maybe? |
[02:44:33] | k-man: | not that i know what gen you guys are |
[02:44:40] | wagnerrp: | community means you must cater to the whims of everyone |
[02:44:46] | iamlindoro: | more or less that anonymity and an audience makes normally reasonable people into <bannable word> |
[02:44:51] | Beirdo: | k-man: likely so. |
[02:45:00] | Beirdo: | jerks (to make it more polite) |
[02:45:12] | wagnerrp: | this one? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 |
[02:45:20] | Beirdo: | that would be it |
[02:45:20] | iamlindoro: | hehm yeah |
[02:45:21] | iamlindoro: | er heh, |
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[02:46:59] | Beirdo: | I mean, if you can't code, and can't make themes, then at least be *respectful* when you make "suggestions" |
[02:47:11] | iamlindoro: | By way of example, the person who personally did 99% of the MythUI rewrite, including writing the library itself, for 18 straight months, did all that work AND wrote Terra... only to have people use appalling language about both the theme and discarding all the UI progress becasue they can't press right in the recordings list any more to get a menu |
[02:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Needless to say, he's been mostly absent this release, and to me it's perfectly reasonable-- I'd need a break too |
[02:47:47] | Beirdo: | yeah |
[02:47:48] | k-man: | yeah |
[02:48:02] | Beirdo: | Terra's not my fave, but it's nice, and a heck of a lot better than I can do :) |
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[02:48:45] | jaypetey: | wagnerrp, how do i start using the stuff on that page you send me? (or more so, what do i need to import and to i need to install anything else first?) |
[02:48:51] | iamlindoro: | And whereas before .22 he was ready to begin work on the MythMusic rewrite, it didn't happen this release because of all the hurt feelings/frustration/burnt out |
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[02:48:53] | Beirdo: | and if ya don't like a certain theme, use another :) |
[02:48:54] | jaypetey: | i had never seen that page before, but it looks awesome |
[02:49:00] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
[02:49:13] | wagnerrp: | jaypetey: you need to be running trunk |
[02:49:18] | Beirdo: | and if you like NONE of them, suck it up and work with someone to create one |
[02:49:25] | jaypetey: | wagnerrp, crap. oh well i guess |
[02:49:41] | wagnerrp: | read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings first |
[02:49:51] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, can't say we didn't offer lots of incentives this release, too :) |
[02:50:06] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVRs, tuners, t-shirts, free listings for a year, etc. |
[02:50:14] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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[02:50:41] | k-man: | is there a oneliner to get the video resolution of all my mpg videos? |
[02:50:44] | Beirdo: | I mean, sure maybe you're an "ideas guy".. work with someone instead of whining and moaning :) |
[02:51:05] | [R]: | k-man: all of them |
[02:51:05] | [R]: | ? |
[02:51:19] | sphery: | k-man: ffmpeg -i |
[02:51:25] | sphery: | (one line per video) |
[02:51:28] | jaypetey: | wagnerrp, will i be able to use any of this without trunk? |
[02:51:28] | wagnerrp: | told him, hes not at home |
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[02:51:36] | wagnerrp: | jaypetey: no |
[02:51:50] | k-man: | wagnerrp: yeah, i sshed in – computer was on after all |
[02:51:59] | sphery: | or: for file in *.mpg ; do ffmpeg -i $file ; done |
[02:52:10] | wagnerrp: | jaypetey: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Old_Python_Bindings |
[02:52:12] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, something like that, thanks |
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[02:52:59] | sphery: | k-man: with a | grep, you can have it just give you the res lines |
[02:53:20] | jaypetey: | wagnerrp, that's awesome. thanks a ton |
[02:53:22] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: I keep getting reminded of a Culture Club song. |
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[02:53:34] | Beirdo: | "The War Song" |
[02:53:46] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, heh, don't know that one, will have to use MNV to search for it :) |
[02:53:56] | Beirdo: | ...war is stupid... and people are stupid... |
[02:53:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[02:54:07] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, thanks |
[02:54:29] | Beirdo: | of course, now k-man likely knows what age-group I'm in :) |
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[02:55:06] | iamlindoro: | Ha, Boy George looks especially freakish in the video I found |
[02:55:24] | Beirdo: | didn't he/she ALWAYS look freakish though? |
[02:55:24] | sphery: | k-man: for file in *.mpg ; do echo -n "$file:"; ffmpeg -i $file 2>&1 | grep 'Stream.*Video' ; done |
[02:55:32] | Beirdo: | one truly confused person |
[02:55:49] | k-man: | Beirdo: boy george? |
[02:55:51] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Culture_Club.jpg |
[02:55:56] | Beirdo: | yeah |
[02:55:56] | iamlindoro: | Looks nearly normal there! |
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[02:56:11] | sphery: | Beirdo: Do you really want to hurt me? |
[02:56:18] | Beirdo: | yes... |
[02:56:20] | k-man: | hes a hare crishna now afaik |
[02:56:21] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, that is, if he were girl george |
[02:56:22] | sphery: | heh |
[02:56:25] | ** Beirdo kicks Boy George ** | |
[02:57:00] | Beirdo: | freak... but was a good singer in his day in spite of being a freak :) |
[02:57:02] | ** wagnerrp makes sphery cry ** | |
[02:57:04] | sphery: | who wins in a fight? Boy George or Marilyn Manson? |
[02:57:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[02:57:23] | k-man: | mm, but mm wouldn't fight imho |
[02:57:25] | iamlindoro: | I think Boy George would demolish MM |
[02:57:41] | Beirdo: | neither. Nonads to kick |
[02:57:45] | Beirdo: | no nads... |
[02:57:50] | Beirdo: | stupid kybrd |
[02:57:53] | k-man: | did you see MM in Bowling for Columbine – i was very impressed with his comments on those tragic events |
[02:58:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Actually, it's Marilyn Manson--proof in The Time Machine (2002), as we saw he was the only person who survived 800,000 years into the future |
[02:58:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
[02:58:40] | wagnerrp: | wasnt boy george in one of the A-Team episodes? |
[02:58:46] | Beirdo: | ?! |
[02:58:54] | Beirdo: | I don't recall that, but coulda been |
[02:59:08] | Beirdo: | they were popular at the same time |
[02:59:17] | sphery: | it's a recommended search on Google |
[02:59:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0504160/ |
[02:59:52] | sphery: | there was a time when I would have thought that proof required actually seeing a shot of the episode, but now I'm lazy--just noting that Google recommends the search is proof |
[03:00:29] | Beirdo: | heeheh |
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[03:03:23] | sphery: | for those who wondered about my Time Machine reference, http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_The_Time . . . hine_015.jpg is the guy I meant (he's actually played by Jeremy Irons) |
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[03:05:43] | kormoc: | sphery: looks half borg |
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[03:06:09] | kormoc: | sphery: or rather looks half wraith (sg:a) and borg |
[03:06:15] | sphery: | agreed |
[03:06:21] | sphery: | he's Uber Morlock |
[03:06:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, did you see: http://www.fecitfacta.com/hulu.ogg |
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[03:06:32] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I have not |
[03:06:36] | ** kormoc peers ** | |
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[03:06:50] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, TOS-compliant |
[03:07:05] | sphery: | kormoc: with that link he's providing that C++/Qt project you were looking for--implement an EMML runtime for MythTV |
[03:07:32] | iamlindoro: | courtesy of RDV_Linux's new direction for MNV grabbers |
[03:07:50] | sphery: | definitely the right direction |
[03:07:56] | kormoc: | oh nice! |
[03:08:05] | sphery: | but would be great not to have to use the EMML Runtime Reference Impl |
[03:08:11] | iamlindoro: | Yeah |
[03:08:35] | sphery: | (just because it's not as easy for a user to set up as would be some program that's part of Myth) |
[03:08:38] | kormoc: | I'll totally need to get in on that action after I move |
[03:08:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery is referring to some hoops to jump through to get set up (EMML engine running on tomcat) but since most people will be getting that done for them by packagers in a perfect world... |
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[03:08:56] | kormoc: | ahh |
[03:09:17] | sphery: | kormoc: which will be just in time for Hulu to start their subscription-only service |
[03:09:17] | kormoc: | tomcat, a wonderful bane of existance |
[03:09:35] | iamlindoro: | heh |
[03:09:40] | sphery: | yeah, it's just that the EMML reference impl is too many pieces |
[03:09:55] | iamlindoro: | well as a total newbie who knows nothing about it, following instructions I had it up in ~10 minutes |
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[03:10:05] | sphery: | remember, iamlindoro , these are the same users who decide they don't want to run a WM because they don't want to waste resources on it |
[03:10:14] | iamlindoro: | and if it's as easy for him to add grabbers to as he says (and given the first couple he's written) then it's well worth it |
[03:10:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Their loss :) |
[03:10:29] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: The EMML engine only needs a J2EE server but I used Tomcat as it worked and there was a Ubuntu package for it. |
[03:10:46] | kormoc: | I honestly don't believe I'll be able to use it on my mini, I'm running way too close to the edge as is with comflagging |
[03:10:47] | sphery: | Yeah, Tomcat is the best choice for it |
[03:10:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and dont understand what to do when they have an error, 'your database is corrupt, please follow the instructions on this page...' |
[03:11:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly... we should really fix that message... :) |
[03:11:28] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
[03:11:58] | kormoc: | oh, EMML is just xml + xpath and xquery |
[03:12:08] | sphery: | my biggest complaint is that you need a JDK, and you need Tomcat (and the network configuration to allow Tomcat to work), and you need it running in such a way that this frontend plugin can access it |
[03:12:15] | kormoc: | we should be able to run that on any standard dom implementation if that's truly the case |
[03:12:17] | Beirdo: | "your database is corrupt. Please reformat your hard drive and start over since that's doubtlessly what you will do anyways as you can't RT(fine)M" |
[03:12:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, change it to "it looks like your hypercode intranumeric oscillator may need calibration. I suggest trying to offset the secondary packet manipulator by 250usecs." |
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[03:12:31] | sphery: | and when we have users with multiple frontends and backends and ... it becomes confusing |
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[03:12:36] | iamlindoro: | (http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . 064142.html) |
[03:12:40] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Well the EMML engine also incorporates javascript (Rhino) and Java libraries. |
[03:12:54] | sphery: | I just want "fully integrated" |
[03:13:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in that case, we need backend plugins |
[03:13:18] | iamlindoro: | ah-yup |
[03:13:34] | sphery: | +1 |
[03:13:54] | sphery: | JS in Qt shouldn't be a problem, right? (After all, it has Webkit) |
[03:14:00] | iamlindoro: | MNV should have a healthy backend portion-- but since we can't, updating feeds is very tricky |
[03:14:23] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux: other the the language, what sets it apart from XSLT? |
[03:14:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you mean for the browser portion? |
[03:14:47] | sphery: | for creating an EMML runtime |
[03:15:11] | kormoc: | sphery: Aye, create a dom with webkit and it should work with everything other then the java side that RDV_Linux mentioned |
[03:15:16] | sphery: | since it would need to be able to run the JS that websites use so it could pull the info it needs to provide the info MNV needs |
[03:15:55] | sphery: | The only thing the Java libs are required for is the JAX, IIUC |
[03:16:21] | sphery: | so with the Qt XML libs, we would just replace them |
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[03:16:42] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: I am sure that I am to new to XSLT but I found that a lot of the data massaging I needed to do xslt stylsheets were not up to the task. |
[03:16:43] | RDV_Linux: | I used a combination javascript, Java libraries and EMML engine built in functions. |
[03:17:30] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: oh, you're using Java stuff, too--not just the EMML runtime using Java? |
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[03:18:42] | RDV_Linux: | The Emml engine allows you to include java library functions which I did in one case. |
[03:19:14] | sphery: | oh, but nothing that couldn't be done in another language, right? |
[03:19:36] | kormoc: | by emml engine, you mean just the reference implementation or is this planned to be a java only tech? |
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[03:20:07] | Beirdo: | oh please... no Java in mythtv :) |
[03:20:09] | ** kormoc knows he could write the engine in php and still have access to the java layer, but knows that's not likely to help much ** | |
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[03:20:12] | RDV_Linux: | Everything in EMML can be done in another language but it would have taken me a year at least to create all that functionality in my python grabbers. |
[03:20:21] | ** sphery thinks it's using http://www.openmashup.org/ 's reference imple ** | |
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[03:20:40] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: yeah, I'm not saying you should have done it differently--I think you did it exactly right |
[03:20:54] | Beirdo: | you think we have support issues now... just imagine having to support Java too |
[03:20:56] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Correct that is what I downloaded and used |
[03:20:59] | kormoc: | Having EMML scripts being locked to a single engine seems rather... non-portable... |
[03:21:12] | sphery: | I'm just wondering if it's even feasible to consider a fully-integrated custom-built engine for the future |
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[03:21:19] | kormoc: | meaning, why have a standard if you can't interoperate with others that follow the standard? |
[03:21:39] | sphery: | kormoc: TTBOMK, there's only a single implementation of an EMML runtime--and that's the reference implementation |
[03:21:52] | sphery: | i.e. no one has gotten around to making another engine for it |
[03:22:05] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: EMML is an open mashup implementation but there is only one GPL3 reference engine |
[03:22:11] | kormoc: | sure, but if we got a c++/qt one, his java emml scripts won't work, which makes it seem worthless to write a c++/qt implementation |
[03:22:58] | Beirdo: | Dirty Jobs marathon today, it seems |
[03:23:18] | sphery: | Ah, I see what you mean... I don't know anything about the EMML scripts themselves, or about the engine's extensibility features (and whether they're supposed to be portable) |
[03:23:51] | sphery: | I have a 35,000-ft view of EMML at this point (just started looking into what it was this evening) |
[03:24:04] | sphery: | but I do think it's the way to go for future grabbers |
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[03:24:44] | iamlindoro: | Personally I think the current implementation should be fine for a couple revisions, and if someone gets truly motivated and wants to write an engine, we can cross that bridge when we come to it |
[03:24:46] | sphery: | but I think having our own mythmashup or mythemmlserver or whatever would be worthwhile--even if it required modifying the scripts he has now |
[03:24:47] | kormoc: | yeah, I'm just confused as to if using language specific functionality is part of the spec, as they claim "Mashups written in EMML can be deployed to any EMML-compliant application", but using java directly seems to break that |
[03:25:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro: agreed |
[03:25:35] | kormoc: | It's great work, don't get me wrong, just attempting to understand it all ;) |
[03:25:36] | RDV_Linux: | kormac: The grabber scripts use few Java classes so could easily be changed to use something that provides the same functionality. |
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[03:25:38] | sphery: | and, for all my talking, I'm not really expecting anyone to create our own implementation anytime soon |
[03:25:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yeah, It doesn't sound like anything in the current scripts is so irrevocably tied to java that it couldn't be ported to something else as necessary |
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[03:26:51] | kormoc: | sphery: honestly, if it's really just dom scripting, it shouldn't be extremely hard to do so |
[03:26:57] | kormoc: | which is what it really sounds like |
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[03:27:16] | Beirdo: | reinventing the wheel yet again? |
[03:27:33] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: If anything would need to be changed in the current emml mashup scripts it would be the need for in-line javascript which I use more of but still not in a dominate way. |
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[03:27:44] | sphery: | I couldn't say--I haven't even seen the current work he's done, let alone the code for the EMML runtime |
[03:27:52] | sphery: | but I hope that you're right |
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[03:28:25] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: we should be able to do javascript without an issue with the webkit support for javascript |
[03:28:27] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux: just wondering, everything I've read in the past 15 minutes seems like I can do it all in native-js if I could break the security policy, is that a fair statement? |
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[03:28:56] | clever: | kormoc: have you looked at QScript? |
[03:29:12] | ** iamlindoro breathes and counts to ten ** | |
[03:29:26] | wagnerrp: | 'serenity now' |
[03:29:31] | Beirdo: | heheeh |
[03:29:34] | kormoc: | more -users fun? ;) |
[03:29:41] | Beirdo: | have a festivus pole |
[03:29:46] | clever: | QScript handled ECMA script, which is basicaly JS |
[03:29:51] | sphery: | trying to remember what show serenity now is frm |
[03:29:57] | RDV_Linux: | The one concern about a MythTV EMML implementation is that their TOS is fairly emphatic about no piece meal EMML implementations. |
[03:30:04] | Beirdo: | sphery: Seinfeld |
[03:30:07] | kormoc: | ooh |
[03:30:11] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
[03:30:16] | kormoc: | this isn't so easy |
[03:30:22] | sphery: | thx... saved me the google |
[03:30:42] | kormoc: | implementation engines need to fully support JavaScript, JRuby, Groovy, POJO, and xquery. |
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[03:30:45] | kormoc: | That's a non-trivial list |
[03:30:56] | sphery: | POJO? |
[03:31:03] | sphery: | means implementations must be in Java |
[03:31:03] | kormoc: | (and *extrememly* java heavy) |
[03:31:06] | sphery: | yeah |
[03:31:06] | clever: | javascript would be relatively easy (via qscript) but the rest i dont know |
[03:31:14] | kormoc: | sphery: Plain Old Java Object |
[03:31:17] | sphery: | can't do plain-old Java unless it's java |
[03:31:20] | kormoc: | pretty much Java |
[03:31:21] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Over the last month I learned EMML, javascript, XPath and XSLT so I do not have enougn experience to answer your question "do it all in native-js". |
[03:31:27] | sphery: | yeah, question was why would it require that |
[03:31:30] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5513mXmQbw4 fortherestofus |
[03:31:39] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux: fair 'nuff |
[03:32:36] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux: I'm not sure if they can legally enforce the TOS with their engine being gplv3 |
[03:32:55] | kormoc: | they might be able to prevent us from saying it's EMML, but that's it |
[03:33:14] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: You guys would know better than I as I am new to this whole game. |
[03:33:14] | Beirdo: | why would we CHOOSE to use something with a stupid TOS? |
[03:33:41] | sphery: | I heard on the -users list that a ToS doesn't apply as long as you don't agree with it. |
[03:33:46] | sphery: | so, quick, everyone disagree with it |
[03:33:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[03:34:02] | wagnerrp: | rabble rabble rabble |
[03:34:11] | Beirdo: | !trout sphery smart-alec |
[03:34:11] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a smart-alec trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
[03:34:11] | sphery: | IANAL (yet!) |
[03:34:21] | sphery: | heh, I deserved that |
[03:34:30] | Beirdo: | heh |
[03:34:31] | kormoc: | ooh, has to support java datasource objects as well |
[03:34:33] | Beirdo: | anyways. |
[03:34:43] | kormoc: | this is a java only tech, not portable to other languages |
[03:34:45] | Beirdo: | oh yeah, we want that... NOT :) |
[03:35:15] | sphery: | so, basically, the "open" means GPL, not "interoperable standard" |
[03:35:30] | sphery: | openmashup, open to Java--only! |
[03:35:36] | kormoc: | Actually, I'm not sure they're actually gplv3 compliant |
[03:35:46] | Beirdo: | and only if you follow their ToS? |
[03:35:52] | kormoc: | they have redistribution restrictions |
[03:35:55] | sphery: | or disagree with it |
[03:35:56] | Beirdo: | doesn't sound too GPLv3 to mee |
[03:36:06] | sphery: | but you can't use it on a TiVo! |
[03:36:13] | Beirdo: | good :) |
[03:36:19] | Beirdo: | tivo can rot in hell |
[03:36:26] | wagnerrp: | so the 'standard' is open, but their reference implementation is not? |
[03:36:47] | sphery: | open, but java only, standard, right? |
[03:37:04] | kormoc: | the standard isn't really open, it's "Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works" |
[03:37:20] | sphery: | Enterprise Mashup Markup Language (EMML) Documentation is licensed |
[03:37:20] | sphery: | under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License |
[03:37:29] | Beirdo: | No Derivative?! |
[03:37:44] | kormoc: | http://www.openmashup.org/download/agreement.php |
[03:38:00] | Beirdo: | so it's a "you can read my source but not really use it unless I change it for you" |
[03:38:04] | kormoc: | both the schema and engine is no derivative |
[03:38:09] | Beirdo: | sounds like DJB |
[03:38:17] | sphery: | yeah, the schema is CCA-No Deriv |
[03:38:58] | Beirdo: | CCA-Not Interested |
[03:38:58] | kormoc: | yeah, the engine is not gpl |
[03:39:05] | sphery: | did you d/l it? |
[03:39:32] | sphery: | I'll bet you have to pay $15 for the font, too. |
[03:39:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ^^^ |
[03:39:37] | kormoc: | it's downloading, but their agreement page says both the schema and the engine is CCA-ND |
[03:39:52] | iamlindoro: | har har |
[03:40:21] | Beirdo: | Creative Commons Attribution – Now Delete |
[03:40:34] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I see ... I missed the "reference runtime implementation" when I was skimming that, so I thought it was only the schema |
[03:42:58] | kormoc: | they don't give you the source to the reference runtime implementation |
[03:43:08] | kormoc: | it's a .war file |
[03:47:14] | sphery: | yeah, seems it's only the source of the client |
[03:51:38] | dashcloud: | hi, I might be the only person who made this mistake, but I was checking for upcoming premieres, and saw Flash Forward is coming back soon, and wondered why my recording rule didn't trigger- it's because it's FlashForward not Flash Forward |
[03:52:56] | kormoc: | to the post office! |
[03:53:05] | sphery: | dashcloud: which listings provider? |
[03:53:15] | dashcloud: | Schedules Direct |
[03:53:30] | kormoc: | did the seriesid change? |
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[03:53:36] | sphery: | hmmm... my rule is for flashforward without the space |
[03:53:49] | dashcloud: | don't know- didn't record the first season of the show |
[03:53:58] | wagnerrp: | first season? |
[03:54:08] | wagnerrp: | theyre considering this the second season already? |
[03:54:17] | kormoc: | nah, still the first |
[03:55:14] | sphery: | for me, I have 10 eps in oldrecorded, all with same seriesid and title FlashForward |
[03:55:48] | sphery: | from Sep 24, 2009 to Dec 3, 2009 |
[03:56:20] | sphery: | interesting that it was different for some users |
[03:56:25] | dashcloud: | okay- I guess I never noticed the no space in the name then (it's corrected now) |
[03:57:29] | sphery: | well, it's the thought that counts, and I really appreciate the thought--I'd have been very upset if I missed episodes (even though I haven't started watching the series, yet, I hate to lose the option when I'm missing episodes :) |
[03:57:38] | sphery: | so thanks for the warning |
[03:57:53] | sphery: | was definitely worth the time it took to verify my rules are still working :) |
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[03:58:35] | k-man: | ah, i have one recording at 720, Stream #0.0[0x90a]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1280x720 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 90000 kb/s, 50.00 tb(r) |
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[03:58:51] | k-man: | you think a mac mini 1.8Ghz could play that? |
[03:59:01] | wagnerrp: | certainly |
[03:59:10] | ** sphery is too slow, yet again ** | |
[03:59:13] | wagnerrp: | (assuming its not actually 90Mbps) |
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[03:59:21] | wagnerrp: | i think theyre lying to you |
[03:59:36] | iamlindoro: | wrong line |
[03:59:41] | k-man: | what do you mean? the bitrate is too slow? |
[03:59:54] | iamlindoro: | that's the container bitrate, not the stream bitrate |
[04:00:02] | k-man: | oh... hang on |
[04:00:04] | iamlindoro: | pastebin the whole output |
[04:00:13] | wagnerrp: | k-man: thats just some completely arbitrary value set by the encoder |
[04:00:34] | k-man: | ok, hang on, need to locate which file it is |
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[04:00:55] | sphery: | k-man: the 2nd for loop I gave you output the filename before the video line |
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[04:02:27] | k-man: | http://pastebin.ca/1831187 |
[04:02:43] | iamlindoro: | Duration: 00:14:40.96, start: 76966.008789, bitrate: 9136 kb/s |
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[04:03:28] | iamlindoro: | 9 Mbit MPEg-2, easy peasy |
[04:03:37] | k-man: | cool |
[04:03:51] | wagnerrp: | so mpeg2, 9mbps... you could probably get by with one of the tualatin P3s (original pentium m) |
[04:03:54] | k-man: | now to buy a macmini 1.8GHz |
[04:04:03] | wagnerrp: | now to buy??? |
[04:04:11] | k-man: | yeah – havnt got it yet |
[04:04:17] | sphery: | k-man: if you want filname, bitrate, and resolution: for file in *.mpg ; do echo "$file:"; ffmpeg -i $file 2>&1 | grep -e '\(Duration\|Stream.*Video\)' ; done |
[04:04:28] | wagnerrp: | no no no... you never purchase just because it works with your existing content |
[04:04:31] | wagnerrp: | you plan ahead |
[04:04:35] | k-man: | sphery: i can tell you like coding :) |
[04:04:48] | k-man: | wagnerrp: i agree |
[04:05:03] | sphery: | 1.8GHz would be a stretch (or won't work) with high-res/high-bitrate H.264 |
[04:05:14] | wagnerrp: | and a 1.8 may be a bit low for some h264 content |
[04:05:22] | sphery: | didn't someone say that the Mac Mini was a bad choice for a frontend? |
[04:05:30] | wagnerrp: | especially anything over 20mbps, or anything single sliced |
[04:05:36] | wagnerrp: | mac mini is fine (kormoc uses one) |
[04:05:41] | wagnerrp: | its the atv thats a horrible frontend |
[04:05:46] | k-man: | ok, this is my plan – buy the 1.8Ghz mac mini as it can outpust svideo, so i can use it with my current CRT tv, then as funds permit, get an HDTV – if the mac mini cannot cope with HD content, I'll sell the mac mini and buy a newer one. |
[04:05:47] | sphery: | ah, yeah, apple tv |
[04:05:57] | sphery: | sorry, all those fruity products confuse me |
[04:06:17] | ** wagnerrp tries to think of a glossy white fruit ** | |
[04:06:19] | ** sphery suggests 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo or better :) ** | |
[04:06:38] | k-man: | a friend runs a mac mini 2ghz as an FE in osx, and it works great, even streams over 802.11n no problems for him |
[04:06:54] | k-man: | sphery: no can do, those ones have the nvidia chipset and cannot output to svideo afaict |
[04:06:56] | wagnerrp: | apparently the 2.5s are new fast enough for HDPVR content with the latest ffmpeg sync |
[04:07:09] | sphery: | ok, 2.5 :) |
[04:07:35] | k-man: | sphery: no, the last non nvidia afaict is the 1.8GHz |
[04:07:47] | wagnerrp: | but thats still probably too low for most bluray content |
[04:07:57] | sphery: | why can't nvidia ones do S-Video? HDMI only? |
[04:08:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
[04:08:17] | wagnerrp: | nvidia hasnt shipped onboard chipsets with SD analog since the 6-series |
[04:08:37] | wagnerrp: | theyll do VGA, but ive not seen any with even component, much less svideo |
[04:08:39] | sphery: | ah, great, HDMI--here to free us from all our old display devices |
[04:09:51] | k-man: | has blueray been cracked yet? |
[04:09:59] | wagnerrp: | on windows, sure |
[04:10:07] | k-man: | but not on linux? |
[04:10:12] | wagnerrp: | two separate closed source projects |
[04:10:19] | k-man: | oh damn |
[04:10:22] | sphery: | s/been cracked/is still being cracked as they keep changing/ |
[04:10:25] | wagnerrp: | with some minimal progress on the open source project |
[04:10:29] | Beirdo: | !trout k-man DMCA |
[04:10:29] | ** MythLogBot slaps k-man with a DMCA trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
[04:10:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, each 'crack' only gets a couple of disks out, before they cycle keys again |
[04:10:46] | k-man: | is that politicaly incorrect to ask that question here? |
[04:10:53] | Beirdo: | careful where ya tread |
[04:10:54] | k-man: | wagnerrp: i see |
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[04:11:23] | wagnerrp: | so anydvd and makemkv keep having to update their software for new disks |
[04:11:37] | wagnerrp: | i get emails for new versions of anydvd at least once a week |
[04:11:41] | wagnerrp: | usually more often |
[04:11:51] | sphery: | and no more lifetime subs |
[04:12:00] | ** wagnerrp got it before time ran out ** | |
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[04:12:47] | ** sphery thinks that a STB BluRay player is easier ** | |
[04:12:54] | sphery: | and legal, too |
[04:13:55] | ** wagnerrp thinks looking at those hddvd/bd cases on the shelf on the wall, and then not having to getting up to to watch one, is easier ** | |
[04:14:12] | sphery: | yeah, the discs are a pain |
[04:14:39] | sphery: | but on the bright side, I have so much recorded TV, I seldom ever get around to watching my DVD's :) |
[04:15:00] | k-man: | sphery: yeah, same here |
[04:15:08] | k-man: | sphery: plus with a new baby, i rarely watch TV now |
[04:15:19] | k-man: | and if i do, its usually just the news or something |
[04:15:26] | sphery: | yeah, that will take up some time |
[04:15:41] | k-man: | i often wonder what on earth I did with my "spare" time before |
[04:15:42] | k-man: | hehe |
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[04:57:19] | k-man: | hmm... thinking about getting a new hdhomerun |
[04:57:52] | k-man: | got one already but they are so good... i might abandon my pci capture cards and just get hdhrs |
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[05:11:42] | k-man: | what is an hdpvr? |
[05:11:55] | wagnerrp: | component analog capture |
[05:12:09] | k-man: | oh.. similar to hdhomerun |
[05:12:12] | jpabq: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR |
[05:12:13] | wagnerrp: | no |
[05:12:38] | clever: | hdhr is a dual QAM tuner, coax in, mpeg2 stream's (via ethernet) out |
[05:12:48] | jpabq: | hdhomerun is a tunner. HD-PVR is a capture device. HD-PVR needs a STB of some sort to do the tuning. |
[05:13:07] | k-man: | jpabq: ah, i see, thanks |
[05:13:50] | jpabq: | HD-PVR + STB works great for getting otherwise encrypted channels into Myth. |
[05:14:02] | k-man: | jpabq: ah, i see, cool |
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[05:14:48] | clever: | hdhr would probly work for the non-encrypted stuff, like my cableco's video on demand |
[05:15:07] | clever: | i can pick up the 10 VOD channels that the entire town is watching, in clear QAM |
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[05:15:41] | k-man: | clever: interesting |
[05:16:07] | clever: | i just hooked up a normal HDTV and did a normal channel scan, now i can see VOD on 93.1 thru 93.10 |
[05:16:35] | clever: | we get everything on there, movies, dora the explorer (oh god!), and even the ocasional porno! :P |
[05:16:48] | wagnerrp: | clever: the VOD stuff is worthless to you |
[05:17:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, they sometimes pause/stop the movie mid way and leave us hanging |
[05:17:19] | clever: | and there is no way to predict whats on tomorow |
[05:17:24] | wagnerrp: | even if the box-to-headend stuff was unencrypted |
[05:17:33] | wagnerrp: | and you could figure out the communication protocol they were using |
[05:17:38] | wagnerrp: | the communication is out-of-band |
[05:17:50] | wagnerrp: | its on a frequency range you probably dont have the equipment to pick up |
[05:18:02] | clever: | the best thing i could do is to use a single QAM tuner and just record the whole damn multiplex |
[05:18:08] | clever: | and figure out what i have later |
[05:18:18] | k-man: | sounds like a lot of effort |
[05:18:22] | clever: | not worth it |
[05:18:26] | k-man: | how do these VOD servers work? |
[05:18:43] | k-man: | out of interest. do the litteraly have a big HDD and just stream to each user? |
[05:18:51] | clever: | k-man: its probly just a video player (like mythtv) that just plays whatever file you request |
[05:18:53] | wagnerrp: | the box tells the headend it wants to watch something |
[05:18:58] | clever: | and encodes ~10 of them into the multiplex |
[05:19:05] | wagnerrp: | the headend responds with a channel to tune in on |
[05:19:13] | clever: | each STB gets allocated one channel within the multiplex when 'logging in' |
[05:19:30] | k-man: | i can imagine that working for 10 users or so, but when it scales up to hundreds or thousands of users, I wonder how it all works |
[05:19:54] | wagnerrp: | because you only have 10 users running on-demand at any given time |
[05:19:54] | clever: | ive never seen the full 10 in use all at once |
[05:19:59] | wagnerrp: | once you go over that limit |
[05:20:08] | wagnerrp: | the users get an error message saying the service is unavailable |
[05:20:53] | k-man: | so each suburb would have a small server allocated to a number of users or something |
[05:21:09] | wagnerrp: | same way cable internet works |
[05:21:30] | wagnerrp: | each block of subscribers gets several channels that they have to share between |
[05:21:38] | k-man: | oh, i see |
[05:21:43] | wagnerrp: | if the allotment is already consumed by the other users |
[05:21:45] | wagnerrp: | too bad |
[05:23:01] | wagnerrp: | thats what people mean when they say your internet is shared by you and your hundred (or whatever) closest neighbors |
[05:23:38] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt matter how much total bandwidth your cableco is, you have a shared 'last mile' |
[05:23:42] | clever: | the broadcast domain for the cable |
[05:23:45] | k-man: | yeah |
[05:24:30] | wagnerrp: | compare this with DSL, where everyone has their own dedicated 'last mile' |
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[05:25:58] | wagnerrp: | now FiOS is a shared architecture, but its limited to 32 endpoints per fiber |
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[05:26:18] | wagnerrp: | and theyve got 2.4gbps/1.2gbps per 32 subscribers |
[05:26:38] | wagnerrp: | so verizon is actually undersubscribed for all levels of service they currently offer |
[05:26:58] | wagnerrp: | they have considerably more bandwidth available than could possibly be used by their customers |
[05:27:30] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, think #mythtv might be bindings? |
[05:27:32] | kormoc: | I love fios |
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[06:14:53] | k-man: | falling asleep |
[06:14:56] | k-man: | need more coffee |
[06:15:24] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: thanks for the heads up |
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[06:25:55] | mzb: | can anyone tell me if this plays ok? (still uploading) |
[06:25:55] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . vi_2014.xvid |
[06:25:55] | ** wagnerrp prods Beirdo ** | |
[06:25:55] | wagnerrp: | your bot isnt updating |
[06:26:08] | mzb: | (only 4MB into 348MB ... a) not sure if it will fit, and b) not sure if it will play on other ppl's computers) |
[06:27:24] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, its updating now |
[06:27:29] | wagnerrp: | web page just seems a bit lagged |
[06:28:34] | wagnerrp: | the first seven seconds (5.5MB) play fine |
[06:29:12] | oobe: | mzb, the picture is fine but the audio is loud static |
[06:29:27] | wagnerrp: | audio works fine here (on windows) |
[06:29:37] | oobe: | oh ok well must be me |
[06:29:48] | mzb: | hmm ... any suggestions? Trying to alter audio crashes avidemux |
[06:29:54] | oobe: | i had the same problem with QT files till i installed quicktime libs |
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[06:30:06] | wagnerrp: | although the player didnt list what codec it was using for audio |
[06:30:08] | wagnerrp: | which is odd |
[06:30:15] | wagnerrp: | youre not using raw PCM are you? |
[06:30:25] | oobe: | yes i think so |
[06:30:52] | oobe: | Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM) |
[06:30:56] | oobe: | try using mp3 that should work shouldnt it? |
[06:31:01] | wagnerrp: | and 5.5mbps is a bit excessive for 640x480 |
[06:31:06] | wagnerrp: | with xvid |
[06:31:07] | mzb: | it's from a canon camera |
[06:31:20] | wagnerrp: | a hardware xvid encoder? |
[06:31:22] | mzb: | totally |
[06:31:25] | oobe: | you can use mencoder in windows |
[06:31:32] | wagnerrp: | never thought i would see such a thing |
[06:31:36] | mzb: | linux here |
[06:31:42] | oobe: | oh cool |
[06:31:59] | mzb: | I have trouble converting/compressing the videos from that camera |
[06:32:12] | oobe: | do you want the mencoder scripts i use for capturing vhs and converting to dvd complient video? |
[06:32:36] | mzb: | sure. anything that helps is great |
[06:32:43] | oobe: | they would require some editing but in a nutshell the auto transode on the fly which is handy |
[06:32:58] | ** oobe makes a tarball ** | |
[06:33:03] | mzb: | ok |
[06:34:18] | mzb: | wagnerrp: I meant 5.5mbps is _totally_ excessive |
[06:34:28] | mzb: | (lag from upload atm?) |
[06:35:05] | oobe: | www.insidiousramblings.com/files/mencoder_scripts.tar.bz2 |
[06:35:08] | mzb: | (lag==2.7s) |
[06:35:14] | mzb: | cool |
[06:40:36] | mzb: | thanks oobe. I can't get any oac options to work correctly |
[06:40:40] | oobe: | actually these script might be more useful if you already have a raw video file www.insidiousramblings.com/files/ripshow.tar.bz2 |
[06:41:41] | oobe: | hmm mzb im not sure what to say those scripts are things i made by expirmentation and are meant for example only but im sure you can find what you are looking for using mencoder |
[06:42:34] | oobe: | ok i think the original audio source may be the problem it *should* be able to convert it fine |
[06:43:09] | mzb: | agreed |
[06:43:23] | mzb: | http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-129289.html |
[06:43:27] | mzb: | *sigh* |
[06:43:32] | AndyCap: | isnt xvid just a codec for mpeg-4 like divx? |
[06:43:34] | oobe: | try ripshow.sh its does a multipass |
[06:44:08] | oobe: | first pass does -oac pcm the second does -oac mp3lame |
[06:44:24] | oobe: | AndyCap, yes |
[06:45:44] | mzb: | I completely understand the file extension // container name thing ... I simply name it xvid because the original is avi (and in the same dir) |
[06:46:25] | mzb: | oobe: ripshow is not in the tarball |
[06:46:40] | oobe: | ripshow.sh sorry |
[06:46:59] | mzb: | same comment |
[06:47:04] | oobe: | oh i made a second link |
[06:47:08] | AndyCap: | mzb: nah I was just wondering about the "hardware xvid" thing if it really was xvid or if its some other encoder |
[06:47:11] | mzb: | hehe |
[06:47:15] | oobe: | but forgot to paste it |
[06:47:23] | mzb: | *cackle* |
[06:47:23] | oobe: | http://www.insidiousramblings.com/files/ripshow.tar.bz2 |
[06:47:29] | mzb: | thought it was me ;) |
[06:47:38] | oobe: | no just me as usually |
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[06:47:57] | mzb: | ok, thanks. I'll give it a go |
[06:49:34] | mzb: | 1st pass running ok |
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[06:52:23] | oobe: | they will both run through fine i expect however the end result may be the same |
[06:52:28] | oobe: | i can only guess |
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[06:56:03] | mzb: | hmm, same issue with 2nd run |
[06:57:18] | oobe: | is this a dv cam capture? |
[06:58:07] | mzb: | no, canon psa590is |
[06:58:51] | oobe: | but is the resulting video source dv |
[06:59:12] | oobe: | i really dont know a lot about this stuff but i made those scripts for what i use |
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[06:59:31] | mzb: | recorded video is avi ... don't know anything about dv |
[07:01:24] | oobe: | can you give me a sample of the raw recored video |
[07:02:11] | mzb: | cut with dd? if so how big? |
[07:02:28] | oobe: | like 20 secs |
[07:02:36] | mzb: | 1MB ? |
[07:02:56] | oobe: | anywhere up to 10 i guess |
[07:03:02] | oobe: | not too big |
[07:03:40] | mzb: | ok, 5MB it is |
[07:04:41] | mzb: | that'll take a while to upload ... brb |
[07:05:28] | oobe: | it can be small then |
[07:05:53] | oobe: | i just need to see video hear sound and try transcoding it |
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[07:14:18] | mzb: | oobe: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . t_at_5MB.avi |
[07:14:29] | mzb: | been summoned for tea ... brb10 |
[07:16:43] | oobe: | thats interesting the first 1 or 2 there is not distortion |
[07:23:01] | oobe: | mzb, this works ffmpeg -i mvi_2014_cut_at_5MB.avi -deinterlace -threads 2 -mbd rd -target pal-dvd done.mpg |
[07:23:21] | oobe: | you can modify it as you please and make a script |
[07:25:30] | oobe: | to convert it from mpeg2 to xvid you can use ripshowws.sh |
[07:26:27] | oobe: | here is the resulting file http://www.insidiousramblings.com/files/done.avi |
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[07:31:19] | oobe: | it wouldnt hard to turn all that into an all in one script |
[07:36:39] | mzb: | oobe: lots of "Deinterlacing failed" but seems to work ... thanks very much for your help! |
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[07:52:34] | oobe: | yea i copied that line from a page somewhere |
[07:52:46] | oobe: | i should of took out the deinterlacing stuff |
[07:52:47] | mzb: | nice one |
[07:53:03] | mzb: | do you suggest a bitrate other than 850? |
[07:53:17] | oobe: | 850 is reasonable |
[07:53:54] | justinh_: | sheesh I just updated my whole backend the other day & there are still updates available :-\ |
[07:53:57] | oobe: | you will get around 550Mb per hour |
[07:54:18] | justinh_: | heh whaddya know it's another kernel update |
[07:54:33] | mzb: | ok, thanks again oobe |
[07:54:37] | oobe: | np |
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[07:56:29] | justinh_: | googling this laptop that fails to boot up.. seems it could indeed be the cmos battery. I'd have thought that any bios would at least get as far as displaying *something* even if the battery was dead/not present |
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[07:57:03] | justinh: | but apparently not. seems a dead battery can cause total deadness. icky |
[07:57:27] | mzb: | 950MB ==> 93MB ... can't complain about that ;) |
[07:58:01] | justinh: | mzb: 950MB for a file captured on a digital camera? Heh that can't be bad quality |
[07:58:29] | justinh: | prolly motion jpeg at that size mind, which is basically all DV is |
[07:58:31] | mzb: | pfft ... it's _long_ ;) |
[07:58:41] | mzb: | oobe: aspect doesn't seem right |
[07:59:09] | mzb: | ah ... and audio is 48kHz |
[07:59:46] | justinh: | wonder if at some point a genius could come up with a way of showing a user what their transcode settings would do. that'd take a lot of the guesswork out |
[07:59:56] | mzb: | if I force playback aspect to 4:3 it looks fine ... I'll re-examine the command line switches |
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[08:03:27] | oobe: | mzb, yea i noticed that about ripshow.sh so using ripshowws.sh worked |
[08:03:41] | mzb: | ok cool |
[08:03:59] | mzb: | added -srate and removed crop+scale to see what happens |
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[08:06:03] | justinh1: | bye bye uptime. hello reboot |
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[08:13:02] | justinh: | meh. still reports inappropriate ioctl for device. How were regressions like this ever allowed into the wild? |
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[08:18:27] | justinh: | what?! "The -d flag is not permitted by libata" |
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[08:19:04] | justinh: | that's a new one |
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[08:49:03] | justinh: | pfft. hdparm still reckons udma6 is being used on this drive but 12MB/sec says maybe not |
[08:49:28] | justinh: | and now this is all under the control of the all-seeing kernel I won't be able to just bump the speed down a notch & see if it helps |
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[08:59:43] | justinh: | hmmm maybe a stop gap measure (least til I get my new backend online) would be to move /var to a faster disk |
[09:00:07] | justinh: | least then myth will be faster |
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[09:22:18] | jb_: | hi all |
[09:26:03] | jb_: | I was wondering I have two separate backends with separat DB:s can I reconfigure one of them to a slave backend and by that get all the recordings to show up as one? |
[09:32:19] | justinh: | you should only ever have one db |
[09:34:53] | justinh: | bugger. been barking up the wrong tree the whole time. for some reason I thought / was on /dev/sdc – that's the drive I'm getting slow speeds on (12MB/sec). No. Root is on /dev/sda. Idiot |
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[09:38:12] | jb_: | justinh, I know but I have my old mythtv with a bunch of unseen recordings and then I also have my new mythtv backend/frontend and Id like to move all the unseen recordings from my old mythtv machine to my new one ... |
[09:38:36] | justinh: | that's going to involve some database manipulation, then |
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[09:43:19] | jb_: | justinh, ahh I see is it that partial DB restore etc... thing ? |
[09:46:34] | justinh: | no |
[09:46:56] | justinh: | it's going to be messy |
[09:48:59] | justinh: | you need to 1. export the recorded table from the old database & change the hostname entries to that of the new machine 2. copy the video files to the new machine. 3. import the table contents to the recorded table on the new machine |
[09:50:16] | justinh: | there are limitations with that approach – mainly that you'll be mangling data somewhat manually – which is V risky – and for correct info to be transferred it relies on the channel data in both databases being the same – which is fine unless you don't mind the channel data being wrong (e.g. saying a show was recorded on BBC3 instead of BBC1, say) |
[09:50:59] | justinh: | there's always mytharchive's native export feature.. but I've never used it. do a native export of recordings on the old machine, import recordings on the new machine... |
[09:51:29] | justinh: | and check the wiki.. there might already be a howto guide for this |
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[09:55:01] | jb_: | justinh, Ive read alot on the wiki and then yesterday I just thouth of the reconfigure to slave, but it sounds like Ill have to do it with nuvexport, the problem I have with that besides time consuming is that I did mythrename.pl on about half the recordings and I got some nordic characters in the names and now nuvexport cant find them and I have not found any solution on how to convert them back in to the old numerical name ... |
[09:55:42] | toxster: | I have 2 tuners in my system, i have set up both cards, and i think i have set it up correct, but when i record a program, i cannot change to another channel on another transponder, im using dvb-s any ideas? |
[09:56:39] | justinh: | jb_: FWIW I'd cut my losses |
[09:57:03] | justinh: | learn a valuable lesson. Don't mess with mythrename. It should never have been made except for making symlinks |
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[09:58:39] | jb_: | justinh, Id guess... thanks for trying to help :-) |
[09:58:57] | justinh: | jb_: as I already said the best way will involve DB mangling |
[09:59:29] | justinh: | copy the files you need. then export the recorded table with the relevant entries. you'll need to change the hostname field though |
[10:00:02] | justinh: | or copy the files, export the old recorded table entries & import them to the new db. then change the old hostname to the new hostname in the recorded table |
[10:00:27] | justinh: | you'll also need to rebuild the seektables for the transferred recordings using mythcommflag |
[10:00:40] | justinh: | it's all hackish but not something any user should ever have to do |
[10:01:49] | justinh: | and yeah I think there *is* a wiki article about transferring old recordings to a new host |
[10:02:45] | jb_: | dont sound that fun, cuz I might screew up my present mythtv, I guess I will make a mencoder script and run it locally on my old mythtv machine and then move the output to my video directory on the new machine. its less hackish and may be safer :-) |
[10:03:56] | justinh: | jb_: so back up the database first, then it's safe |
[10:04:24] | jb_: | justinh, thanks for all the help |
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[10:08:09] | sid3windr: | and the fish! |
[10:10:29] | justinh: | WHAT? according to mount, /dev/sdc1 is / but in my /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 is supposed to be / |
[10:11:08] | justinh: | I'm very confused now |
[10:12:23] | justinh: | hdparm & sdparm -i both report /dev/sda as a samsung 1TB disk & /dev/sdc as a maxtor 160GB disk |
[10:12:53] | justinh: | oh jesus |
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[10:14:45] | justinh: | /dev/sdb1 932G 564G 368G 61% /myth |
[10:14:46] | justinh: | /dev/sda1 932G 814G 118G 88% /video |
[10:14:56] | justinh: | that isn't what's supposed to happen according to fstab |
[10:14:59] | justinh: | WTH |
[10:15:11] | justinh: | and why haven't I ever noticed this craziness before?! |
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[10:19:00] | justinh: | this is what I get for mixing pata & sata in one machine |
[10:19:39] | justinh: | oh wait. DUH. stupid git. it's UUIDs not device nodes. Smack! |
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[10:40:46] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, my PVR-250 just kicked the bucket so I'm in the market for a replacement. Thought I'd throw the question out here and see what the consensus is. I'm currently recording from a SD cable STB, but have HD available. The system currently has the PVR-350 recording from cable and an ATI USB HD tuner recording OTA. So, suggestions? |
[10:41:08] | ServerSage: | Oops, that 350 should be 250. :) |
[10:51:39] | justinh: | pvr150 from ebay? :) |
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[11:36:05] | jaypetey: | Does anyone know where I can find my mythtv user (as in the user: mythtv) password? |
[11:51:13] | Hoxzer: | you can change it easily |
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[11:58:19] | justinh: | you can't find the password. that's called *security* |
[11:59:37] | toxster: | no ideas why my dual tuner setup wont allow me to watch other channels then the ones from the transponder that's being recorded? (dvb-s, 2 output from dish, 2 separate tuners) :( |
[12:00:15] | justinh: | if anybody had, they'd have said on all the times you'd previously asked |
[12:00:22] | justinh: | :-\ |
[12:00:51] | at0m: | jaypetey: man passwd |
[12:00:53] | toxster: | yeah, weird though this is what mythtv should be ideal to use, record one while watching on the other card |
[12:01:00] | toxster: | i wonder if its dvb-s related |
[12:01:08] | toxster: | considering its a transponder issue, i must say yes |
[12:01:29] | justinh: | stop using live tv. problem solved :) |
[12:01:33] | toxster: | hehe |
[12:01:42] | justinh: | oh you laugh. I was being serious |
[12:01:44] | at0m: | record what you want to watch =] |
[12:01:57] | at0m: | toxster: maybe check default card. and there's more card selection options, like "allow live tv to be moved for recording" |
[12:02:09] | at0m: | s/for/by |
[12:02:16] | toxster: | at0m: is that setting in mythtv-setup ? |
[12:02:27] | at0m: | not sure, i'd guess |
[12:03:18] | toxster: | I have 2 capture cards, 1 video source (for EIT), 2 inmput connectors, and the share the same input group |
[12:03:21] | at0m: | ie. you could, for a try, set the second card as default for recording |
[12:03:43] | at0m: | in case live-tv doesnt switch to the second while first is being recorded from |
[12:03:50] | toxster: | i have looked around for that setting, where is it ? on the card? (connected and looking...) |
[12:04:01] | toxster: | yeah thats what's happening |
[12:04:15] | toxster: | both cards work, if i do live tv, and press m i can switch inputs |
[12:04:19] | toxster: | but not when recording |
[12:04:58] | at0m: | go check mythtv-setup for a workaround then |
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[12:07:27] | toxster: | should i setup 2 input groups ? |
[12:07:44] | toxster: | both are set to "generic" now |
[12:11:18] | toxster: | i can test it remotely by not being able to record 2 shows at the same time |
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[12:12:38] | toxster: | nm it seems to work with recording 2 channels at the same time, i wonder if my adding of a new input group separating the cards did the trick |
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[12:19:22] | toxster: | yupp that was what caused it |
[12:19:28] | toxster: | same input group = bad in dual tuner setup' |
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[12:38:21] | mzb: | toxster: I don't think that's true. I've got 4–5 tuners and they're all in the same group. |
[12:39:19] | mzb: | do you know if your dish is _dual_lnb_ or just dual output? |
[12:39:58] | mzb: | if the latter, then the problem is more likely to be that you're only able to tune to a single multiplex |
[12:40:14] | mzb: | which also means that dual tuners is a complete waste of time |
[12:41:13] | mzb: | s/is/are |
[12:41:31] | jaypetey: | Can anyone tell me what I need to import in order to use the Job Python bindings as found here: http://mythtv.org/wiki/0.22_Python_bindings/Job |
[12:44:37] | jaypetey: | Nevermind, sorry, just found it (realized it's a class within the MythTV module itself) |
[12:56:36] | justinh: | import flashy3D-ui-fx |
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[14:04:36] | justinh: | oh gawd. Folks are gunning to get Slade into the music charts "for chariddy". Just ask people to donate. No need to further the careers of Brummie has-beens |
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[14:22:01] | oobe: | mzb, are you from tasmania? |
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[14:23:50] | mzb: | oobe: yes |
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[14:24:14] | oobe: | i knew you were in aus just didnt know where thats cool |
[14:24:23] | oobe: | i dont know anyone from tassie |
[14:25:08] | mzb: | :) |
[14:25:13] | mzb: | very pretty place |
[14:25:37] | oobe: | yea would be |
[14:25:53] | oobe: | im in melb at the moment |
[14:26:02] | oobe: | but i move around a bit |
[14:26:33] | mzb: | I lived in Melb for a couple of years ... totally different |
[14:27:04] | oobe: | yeah i imagine so |
[14:27:46] | oobe: | did you end up encoding all your captures? |
[14:28:17] | oobe: | oh what is jabber_myth.tar.gz |
[14:28:42] | mzb: | um, I wrote a jabber bot |
[14:28:47] | mzb: | need to finish it off |
[14:29:07] | mzb: | you can do searches with it, and it returns paginated results |
[14:29:19] | mzb: | then you can select by line numbers |
[14:29:21] | oobe: | what is it for like a help bot for this channel |
[14:29:57] | mzb: | no, so I can (eventually) do jabber messages to/from my mobile phone to control tv |
[14:30:49] | oobe: | oh ok |
[14:30:53] | mzb: | ie: Mother-in-Law says "Forgot to record 'Some Stupid Show'" and I type in "find Some Stupid Show" |
[14:31:02] | mzb: | => results printed |
[14:31:06] | oobe: | yeah i dont know what jabber is i just heard the bot part |
[14:31:13] | mzb: | I type: record 1 3 |
[14:31:19] | oobe: | from any location? |
[14:31:25] | mzb: | jabber == instant messaging |
[14:31:27] | mzb: | yes |
[14:31:53] | mzb: | better/easier than a web page, I figured |
[14:32:09] | mzb: | just never finished it ... only needs the recording part done |
[14:32:24] | oobe: | that will be so awesome i bet you will get a lot of users |
[14:32:24] | mzb: | all the search+pagination+selection(?) work already |
[14:32:46] | mzb: | it's on my private jabber server |
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[14:33:03] | justinh: | what on earth is jabber? |
[14:33:21] | mzb: | an open source IM protocol |
[14:33:32] | mzb: | which I've got run so that it talks to the native IM client on my Nokia e51 |
[14:34:51] | justinh: | hmm bet you could do a similar trick with the twitter api |
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[14:36:00] | mzb: | probably ... I don't do twitter (yet?) |
[14:37:00] | justinh: | while ago I thought it might be sort of cool to be able to SMS the mythbox to say "record BBC1 7pm today" or something – but free sms gateway stuff just wasn't practical |
[14:37:04] | justinh: | now with twitter, it is :) |
[14:37:18] | mzb: | same concept |
[14:37:41] | mzb: | s/sms/jabber |
[14:37:51] | justinh: | tried mobile mythweb & it's okay but most phones are crap at web stuff |
[14:38:13] | justinh: | scroll. scroll. scroll. scroll. scroll. scroll |
[14:38:53] | justinh: | well maybe not most phones. but every phone I've ever had which has internet access :) |
[14:39:27] | mzb: | yep |
[14:39:47] | justinh: | most times I've needed to schedule something when I'm away from home I know what time/channel I need anyway |
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[14:40:02] | mzb: | this jabber bot has (configurable) page lengths for message lists |
[14:40:14] | justinh: | I'd love a smartphone but they just seem like expensive toys I can't justify |
[14:40:41] | mzb: | and either the screen's too big, or the res is too low ;) |
[14:40:55] | mzb: | nokia e51 is about right for me |
[14:41:08] | mzb: | no point in getting higher res ... I'd never see it |
[14:41:32] | mzb: | so a text solution for doing mobile<==>mythtv is my pref. |
[14:41:59] | jarle: | hehe, mythtv found 134(!) commercial breaks in my latest Mythbusters recording :) |
[14:42:19] | mzb: | as I've no longer got free SMS jabber seemed like the way to go |
[14:42:21] | oobe: | gee they play a lot of ads these days |
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[14:42:26] | mzb: | hehe |
[14:43:57] | mzb: | you reckon 2x 5W LEDs (cool white, 120 degree, 240 lumen) are enough for a 2.4mx2.4m room? |
[14:44:23] | justinh: | 10W ? maybe equivalent to 60W incandescent |
[14:44:47] | mzb: | I was guessing more like 100W |
[14:44:53] | mzb: | (and very white!) |
[14:45:16] | justinh: | seen a variety of figures. none of them seem willing to compare directly to real bulbs so I'm suspicious |
[14:46:08] | mzb: | yeah ... that's why I'm having trouble |
[14:46:18] | mzb: | wikipedia says: "A 60 W incandescent bulb offers about 850 lumens, or 14 lumens/W." |
[14:46:38] | mzb: | I think it's mostly because of the "directionality" of the globes. |
[14:47:03] | mzb: | and incandescent sends light everywhere ... an LED sends it (normally) in a narrow beam |
[14:47:38] | mzb: | (like comparing candles to torches, I guess;) |
[14:49:52] | mzb: | then again, another wikipedia page says "A 13 watt LED lamp produces 450 to 650 lumens which is equivalent to a standard 40 watt incandescent bulb." |
[14:50:10] | AndyCap: | dBi :P |
[14:50:15] | mzb: | :) |
[14:50:23] | mzb: | I hear ya ;) |
[14:51:07] | AndyCap: | someone must have done something like that for light? |
[14:52:01] | AndyCap: | ah, "a light source that uniformly radiates one candela in all directions radiates a total of 4? lumens" |
[14:52:35] | mzb: | "New 9W LED Bulb Can Replace 70W Incandescent" |
[14:52:39] | AndyCap: | but I guess its useless after the marketing department got done with it |
[14:52:59] | justinh: | they all make useless claims like that |
[14:53:06] | justinh: | look at CFL... pfft |
[14:53:42] | justinh: | best advice I'd be able to give is do what I'm gonna do. Guess, and if it ain't enough get more :) |
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[14:59:05] | mzb: | yep |
[14:59:09] | mzb: | http://www.designrecycleinc.com/led%20comp%20chart.html |
[14:59:23] | mzb: | http://www.jasonmorrison.net/content/2009/how . . . ncandescent/ |
[15:01:12] | mzb: | I'm down to (probably) either getting 2x 5W (unique LED), or multiple 60x or 70x cheapies |
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[15:02:03] | mzb: | the angle on the multiples is much narrower |
[15:02:12] | justinh: | sure I read something somewhere about real bright LED bulbs being a possibility soon |
[15:02:23] | justinh: | and omnidirectional :) |
[15:02:38] | mzb: | hehe ... sorry, I'll need to see as soon as I put the ceiling up! |
[15:02:54] | mzb: | (timber et al arriving tomorrow) |
[15:03:06] | mzb: | err... 7–8 hrs |
[15:03:30] | mzb: | I'd prefer to cut as few holes as possible |
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[15:04:36] | mzb: | and that all needs to be done before I plaster and paint (I think) ... hard to tell as I'm making a lot of it up as I go :) |
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[15:05:52] | justinh: | hmm plastering ceilings. arghhh |
[15:06:39] | mzb: | plaster sheet but .... yeah you get it ;) |
[15:06:53] | mzb: | got more stud walls to make first |
[15:07:06] | justinh: | I'm better at skimming than I am at using joining tape & filler |
[15:07:10] | justinh: | go figure |
[15:07:17] | mzb: | hehe |
[15:07:23] | IRA_36: | what do u skim? |
[15:07:26] | IRA_36: | muthtv? |
[15:07:38] | mzb: | insects out of the pool? |
[15:08:09] | justinh: | vot ees dees muthtv? |
[15:08:34] | mzb: | bit like building a shed I guess, but made harder by the laundry wall, the floor joists above, the half-height brick wall on 2 sides, 2 large supports .... and so on |
[15:08:38] | justinh: | and vye dos your irc nick look like a tourist organisation? |
[15:08:52] | mzb: | here we go ... 280 lumen's |
[15:09:06] | mzb: | *cackle* |
[15:09:28] | IRA_36: | are u talking about my nick? |
[15:10:01] | justinh: | remind me to look under my car before I drive home |
[15:10:07] | IRA_36: | it mean im 36 and IRA mean Iranian Republican Army |
[15:10:11] | mzb: | rats ... quoted at 13V supply |
[15:10:45] | justinh: | Iranian/Irish.. not likely to make me feel sympathetic either way |
[15:11:08] | iamlindoro: | You should be concerned, justinh |
[15:11:16] | iamlindoro: | since his IP indicates that Iran has invaded america |
[15:11:36] | ** iamlindoro rushes to the nearest gun store ** | |
[15:11:55] | justinh: | that shouldn't take too long. I mean they have them every couple of houses right? |
[15:11:59] | mzb: | I'm surprised the Iranian Army watch TV at all ... let alone use mythtv to do it ;) |
[15:12:15] | AndyCap: | justinh: surprised he doesnt have one in his house |
[15:12:18] | IRA_36: | his ip maybe fake right? |
[15:12:20] | IRA_36: | #:) |
[15:12:31] | justinh: | heh my wife still actually doesn't believe me that Walmart sell guns & ammo.. |
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[15:13:13] | IRA_36: | few months more and there will be no usa no mythtv no nothing |
[15:13:29] | justinh: | oooo |
[15:13:32] | IRA_36: | :) |
[15:13:58] | justinh: | IRA_36: our own goverments have been trying to scare us witless for years. What difference do you think you'll make? ;-) |
[15:14:07] | IRA_36: | :) |
[15:14:09] | IRA_36: | hahah |
[15:15:25] | justinh: | s/hahah/Muhahahahahahaha\ die\ infidel\ pig\ MuhahahahahAHAHAHAHAHA/ |
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[15:16:38] | iamlindoro: | There I go trying to be the policeman of the world again |
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[15:16:42] | iamlindoro: | I'm such a bully |
[15:16:50] | justinh: | go Team America! |
[15:17:01] | iamlindoro: | America, Eff yeah |
[15:17:26] | ** iamlindoro preemptively remains op'ed ** | |
[15:17:43] | justinh: | last time I had to take a bus somewhere I found out there's a place near Oldham called Derker. I pondered whether it was 'as in Derker Derker' ;-) |
[15:17:55] | iamlindoro: | haha |
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[15:18:23] | ** iamlindoro reloads ** | |
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[15:18:56] | iamlindoro: | nuclear option! |
[15:19:15] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
[15:19:29] | ** iamlindoro yawns and waits for him to "hijack" another IP ** | |
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[15:20:04] | iamlindoro: | In fairness, it's South Carolina so that's *barely* America |
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[15:20:16] | justinh: | lol |
[15:20:21] | AndyCap: | o_O |
[15:20:22] | mzb: | apart from "no usa" etc ... what did he do wrong? |
[15:20:28] | Obama: | <justinh> what do u do kid? |
[15:20:50] | justinh: | I'm the resident troll. what's your excuse? |
[15:21:07] | Obama: | u are kid why did u kick IRA? |
[15:21:12] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
[15:21:21] | Obama: | u will be kicked from america back to mexico |
[15:21:28] | justinh: | you mean *you* ? heh |
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[15:21:51] | Obama: | i was watching so i saw what u did and it was not nice |
[15:21:55] | Obama has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (Obama) | |
[15:22:05] | iamlindoro: | Shame, I always liked that Obama |
[15:22:08] | mzb: | hmm |
[15:22:15] | justinh: | somebody must think I'm iamlindoro's sock puppet or something |
[15:22:18] | skd5aner: | wtf is going on here? |
[15:22:36] | skd5aner: | ::head scratch:: |
[15:22:46] | mzb: | I'm trying to figure that out myself |
[15:23:03] | justinh: | it all got a bit surreal after .. oh wait it's my fault. heh |
[15:23:22] | mzb: | tbh your language was worse |
[15:24:11] | justinh: | huh? I didn't cuss or nuffink |
[15:24:13] | iamlindoro: | mzb, he violated our profanity and civility rules, last thing I need is people here questioning how the rules are applied |
[15:24:45] | justinh: | I've not even preceeded FS with the letter F for ages |
[15:25:18] | justinh: | if this is gonna turn into some tirade about how I hate freedom because of something or other I'll just leave now |
[15:25:37] | skd5aner: | you're free to leave |
[15:25:37] | mzb: | I'm not asking how the rules are applied, or even what the rules are ... I'm asking what _either_ of the people you kicked did to earn a kick? (and a ban) |
[15:25:38] | skd5aner: | ;) |
[15:25:39] | skd5aner: | haha |
[15:26:03] | AndyCap: | bzzz. you are fined one credit for violating the spoken morality standard |
[15:26:46] | iamlindoro: | mzb, a) Don't need to explain my choice of bans, b) he was obviously trolling and I didn't feel like indulging it, c) he discussed illegal behavior (hacking), d) he broke our rule on civility, e) he broke our rule on profanity |
[15:26:56] | jamesd2: | i think they deserve double there money back... how much did they pay again to be here? |
[15:27:05] | justinh: | skd5aner: wouldn't believe it but apparently this network frowns on permanent bans. So I keep coming back |
[15:27:33] | skd5aner: | justinh: maybe you're a terminator? |
[15:28:04] | justinh: | maybe my veering into a dodgy german stereotype accent is what brought it all on. I vill be more careful in ze future |
[15:28:23] | mzb: | iamlindoro: thanks for explaining. |
[15:28:42] | skd5aner: | Nein |
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[15:29:16] | skd5aner: | no vy vould you vant to do zat?! |
[15:29:52] | skd5aner: | OH NO! HE'S RELOADING AGAIN!!! DUCK FOR COVER!!!! |
[15:29:54] | skd5aner: | :D |
[15:29:56] | mzb: | I don't agree, nor will I vote for you or your policies in the election ... oh wait ... ;)) |
[15:30:09] | skd5aner: | oh -o, not +o – ALL CLEAR! |
[15:30:15] | justinh: | heh they have talk like a pirate day... maybe hollywood nazi day would catch on |
[15:31:03] | skd5aner: | sounds reasonable – maybe facebook could set that to a language "English (Hollywood Nazi)" |
[15:31:46] | justinh: | though it might need some clarification. People might misinterpret it as 'talk like Tom Cruise day' |
[15:32:06] | skd5aner: | Does that mean everyone gets nicknamed goose? |
[15:33:05] | mzb: | aren't they all too young to remember Top Gun? ;) (ps: wasn't Goose the wingman?) |
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[15:33:56] | justinh: | I wish I was too young to remember Top Gun |
[15:33:57] | skd5aner: | Yea, but it wouldn't make sense for people talking like Tom Cruise to call others "Maverick" |
[15:34:05] | justinh: | or just that I didn't remember seeing it.. I'm not sure |
[15:35:09] | mzb: | skd5aner: hmm ... that logic could get very confusing if they were all talking like Hollywood Nazi's |
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[16:07:55] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: it's on a linode, so sometimes apache gets swapped out, I have a lot of stuff running on there :) |
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[16:11:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i got a bit worried there for a second |
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[16:11:41] | wagnerrp: | 'wait, why is he talking to me... how does he know i _just_ woke up and sat down at the computer' |
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[16:21:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[16:21:45] | Beirdo: | because I just got up a little bit ago :) |
[16:21:46] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[16:22:08] | Beirdo: | interviews start in just over an hour. time to get dressed and go :) |
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[17:30:05] | shadash: | does this look fast enough to handle data from a frontend to a backend? http://www.brite-view.com/linke.php |
[17:31:08] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
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[17:36:59] | shadash: | b/c I already have power plugs |
[17:37:30] | shadash: | it's a clean way to do networking with exising hardware |
[17:37:55] | wagnerrp: | its a dirty way to do the networking, but out of sight, out of mind |
[17:38:02] | jams: | yeah i don't know. I often hear those things can't be trusted with older wiring |
[17:38:26] | wagnerrp: | or newer wiring, or with anything but clean grid power |
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[17:38:37] | wagnerrp: | they work, they dont work great |
[17:39:54] | jams: | much trouble as x10 has running over power lines I wouldn't trust those devices |
[17:39:58] | wagnerrp: | if you have the time to run wires, do so |
[17:39:58] | shadash: | so it prob all comes down to how the house is currently wired |
[17:40:02] | wagnerrp: | you will not regret it |
[17:40:19] | wagnerrp: | everyone has the capability of running wires |
[17:40:28] | jams: | even if you have it along the baseboard it's worth it |
[17:40:34] | shadash: | but why if you don't need to |
[17:40:35] | wagnerrp: | you may have to get creative |
[17:40:42] | wagnerrp: | if you cant go into the walls, run along the baseboard |
[17:40:56] | wagnerrp: | get raceways and conduits that can be painted to match the walls |
[17:41:05] | wagnerrp: | hollow out the baseboard and stuff the cables there |
[17:41:07] | jams: | "everyone has the capability of running wires"..hehe not everyone but the majority of people |
[17:41:20] | wagnerrp: | get plenum rated cable, and run it through the ductwork |
[17:41:35] | jams: | along the baseboard just under the carpet works as well |
[17:41:40] | shadash: | I feel it's better to just buy a house that's already wired. Makes things much easier |
[17:42:08] | jams: | running through the ductwork is ok..but only if you never plan on cleaning them |
[17:42:49] | wagnerrp: | the problem with ductwork is that if you use non-plenum rated, they will burn and give off toxic fumes |
[17:42:56] | jams: | the cleaning process at some point will snap the cables |
[17:43:02] | wagnerrp: | which will be spread through the house through the ductwork |
[17:43:03] | jams: | or hinder the cleaning process |
[17:43:17] | jams: | overall I don't recommend running in the ductwork |
[17:43:30] | jams: | but it can be done if you want |
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[17:43:43] | wagnerrp: | i haev a friend who just bought a house |
[17:43:53] | wagnerrp: | he was very happy to find the phone lines had been run with cat5e |
[17:44:08] | jams: | i bet he was |
[17:44:15] | wagnerrp: | just went down to the junction box in the basement, crimped on new connectors, and was ready to go |
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[17:44:45] | jams: | first thing I did here, was pull out all the phone cord and run new lines to all the rooms. Two cat5e to all rooms |
[17:45:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i really should have run a lot more while i had the chance |
[17:45:16] | wagnerrp: | but every so often, ive got to go back and pull another lead |
[17:45:53] | wagnerrp: | although at least now im doing it right, and have everything wired up to a patch panel in the basement |
[17:46:23] | jams: | i put rj11 on the ends of the phone lines, jsut so they wouldn't be confused for network, but it's cat5e all the way to the panel |
[17:46:40] | jams: | we dont' even use the phone lines..but maybe the next owner will |
[17:47:06] | jams: | structured wiring is the only way to do |
[17:47:08] | jams: | go |
[17:47:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we only actually use three of our lines |
[17:47:22] | wagnerrp: | one hard phone, and two cordless base stations |
[17:47:44] | jams: | we use two..one wireless base station and the fax |
[17:47:55] | jams: | the hardline sits in a box until we need it |
[17:48:13] | jams: | and thats in the basement next to the patch panel |
[17:50:00] | jams: | only time we ever used it was when troubleshooting noise on the line |
[17:50:22] | jams: | which turned out to be a birds next built in a splice box 3/4 of a mile away |
[17:50:27] | jams: | birds nest |
[17:51:37] | jams: | that one had att replacing all sorts of lines and running tests. Mostly because it wasn't constant and never seemed to occur when they were here. |
[18:01:50] | ** sphery wonders if the lack of people offering samples for #7515 ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/426736#426736 ) is due to the reason he suspects... ** | |
[18:02:16] | sphery: | After all, 3 people have indicated they're affected by it in the last day. |
[18:02:46] | iamlindoro: | People using .srt files for legit use are probably about as common as people downloading linux distros with P2P |
[18:03:09] | sphery: | So, 99.9999% of those who engage in such activity? |
[18:03:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got _one_ film that i legitimately use them with |
[18:03:33] | iamlindoro: | I have a few .srt files that I made in my early Blu ray ripping days |
[18:03:37] | iamlindoro: | that was a PAIN |
[18:03:40] | wagnerrp: | and even then, im not legitimately using them because i have the subtitles bundled up with the mkv |
[18:03:40] | sphery: | well, if it's affected, it would be great if you could make a sample for elmojo as I doubt he'll get any samples from the stealy crowd |
[18:03:50] | iamlindoro: | and I had to use a windows VM to use the tool to do the OCR |
[18:04:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it took like half an hour to train subrip for each character it came up against |
[18:04:16] | iamlindoro: | even then, it's for a couple Korean movies and a Chinese movie... and now that we have Blu ray subtitle support, yay, I don't need them any more |
[18:04:31] | sphery: | You should distribute the workload... We could put the images on websites all over the 'net. We'll call it ReCAPTCHA! |
[18:04:34] | sphery: | oh, wait.... |
[18:04:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I can test to see if it's afected, but TBH I have never had an issue with .srts |
[18:04:50] | iamlindoro: | so I'm not sure what to look for |
[18:05:02] | sphery: | yeah, if it's hard to test, no biggie |
[18:05:02] | iamlindoro: | I do still have the subs |
[18:05:25] | sphery: | after all, getting support for files that are generally only used by the wrong crowd isn't the goal |
[18:05:53] | iamlindoro: | I can make a sample and elmojo can play with it if it's of any help to him, just not sure it will exhibit the issue |
[18:06:54] | sphery: | your call... |
[18:07:12] | sphery: | it's your time, and--as you mentioned--the files aren't often used legitimately |
[18:07:30] | iamlindoro: | Uploading now, just can't promise that the sample is affected/worthwhile |
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[18:10:48] | sphery: | thanks for your time, at least |
[18:10:56] | iamlindoro: | meh, anything but working ;) |
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[18:39:17] | Jay2k1: | Hi! I have a htpc that's both backend and frontend. I am using mythwelcome; I want it to start the FE when i switch on the pc but it shouldn't start it when the pc starts itself to perform a scheduled recording. however, i couldn't manage to get this behaviour working. |
[18:39:58] | Jay2k1: | so i wrote a script that I start on logon, instead of starting mythwelcome, that first starts mythwelcome and then tries to determine if we were started automatically or by user. |
[18:40:28] | Jay2k1: | when I use mythshutdown --startup, it keeps on returning 1 |
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[18:41:09] | Jay2k1: | so, in the backend, where i can define a startup command, i set "echo $status > /all/startup.txt" (/all has 777) |
[18:41:45] | Jay2k1: | and in my startup script, i keep on checking this file until it contains either "auto" or "user", then start the fe (or not), then delete /all/startup.txt. |
[18:42:11] | Jay2k1: | but even the backend reports the wrong value in like 20% of the times. |
[18:42:56] | Jay2k1: | i guess i'm not the only one who wants to use this "feature", so is there anyone that could get it to work? |
[18:44:02] | Jay2k1: | or is there any hint as to how mythbackend determines $status or how mythshutdown --status gets its data? or how mythwelcome determines whether it was started automatically or not? |
[18:45:19] | sphery: | ugghhh... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1595 . . . etting-3d-tv |
[18:47:18] | sphery: | Jay2k1: I think you'll need to modify the backend's algorithm for determining whether we're starting automatically or manually. TTBOMK, that algorithm is, "If a recording starts within 15 minutes, it must be auto-startup." |
[18:48:05] | sphery: | Jay2k1: see ./programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp and search for AUTO-Startup assumed |
[18:48:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery: What, you don't want to wear steampunk style goggles to watch TV? |
[18:48:54] | sphery: | I /really/ don't want someone telling me I need to buy a new TV |
[18:49:03] | sphery: | and I /really/ don't want LCD to win the HDTV wars |
[18:49:41] | sphery: | and I /really/ don't want projectors to become an unacceptable display tech for TV (nor need to buy a 3D projector) |
[18:49:51] | sphery: | I want 3D TV to die |
[18:50:01] | iamlindoro: | That ship may have sailed |
[18:50:03] | sphery: | 3D in the theater is OK, but beyond that... |
[18:50:19] | iamlindoro: | Though notably there *are* 3D Projectors on the way |
[18:50:47] | iamlindoro: | Though affordable + 1080p + 3D is still a pipe dream |
[18:51:06] | sphery: | Jay2k1: OK, it's 16mins by default. 1min + "Max. wait for recording (min)" (as specified in mythtv-setup) |
[18:51:25] | sphery: | no, wait, just plain "Max. wait for recording (min)" |
[18:51:29] | sphery: | so it is 15min |
[18:51:49] | iamlindoro: | Personally I don't mind if the next TV I buy has 3D capability, but it seems to me that the ability to watch 3D content on plain 2D televisions is a requirement |
[18:52:11] | iamlindoro: | ie, nobody should *need* a 3DTV to watch any content-- it should just enhance it when possible |
[18:52:21] | sphery: | Jay2k1: You can modify the Max wait time ("The amount of time the master backend waits for a recording. If it's idle but a recording starts within this time period, the backends won't shut down." but doing so will have other effects. |
[18:52:22] | Jay2k1: | thanks for looking that up |
[18:52:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but the government can just promise us a converter box for $40 or less |
[18:53:04] | iamlindoro: | hrh |
[18:53:04] | iamlindoro: | heh |
[18:53:24] | sphery: | and then take $X billion of my tax dollars and give coupons to people who see, "government" and "free" and get it--whether they need it or not (usually not) |
[18:53:55] | sphery: | you may note a little bit of resentment in my comment, there |
[18:54:17] | iamlindoro: | The Spic^H^H^H^H Television must flow |
[18:54:22] | sphery: | heh |
[18:56:56] | jamesd2: | the better question is how many of those digital converter boxes actually got connected to new lcd tv's thinking they needed them.... |
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[18:58:47] | sphery: | Jay2k1: looks like the best solution if you don't want to edit code is to set MythShutdownWakeupTime to blank to indicate user-initiated startup. |
[18:59:47] | sphery: | jamesd2: Yeah, I'd bet a huge number did. |
[19:00:02] | sphery: | not to mention all the ones that got shoved in the closet |
[19:00:07] | sphery: | or thrown away |
[19:02:03] | jamesd2: | last i heard something like 30% of all the coupon cards never even got used |
[19:02:40] | sphery: | wonder what happened to the money for those 30% |
[19:05:30] | jamesd2: | got migrated back to the general fund or some other fund that is just a line on a report, that wont be accounted for years... its only a few million no one cares.. all the major items end with b's for billions |
[19:06:36] | sphery: | heh, or T's for trillions, in today's world |
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[19:25:29] | Jay2k1: | sphery: it is already empty |
[19:28:04] | sphery: | then back to "find a better algorithm" |
[19:28:06] | sphery: | :) |
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[19:32:29] | ^Willie^: | Hi there |
[19:32:45] | wagnerrp: | what is a 'DC10', besides a commercial aircraft? |
[19:32:49] | ^Willie^: | any one in here that have managed video output on an dc10 via v4l ? |
[19:33:05] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: your still young or you just dunno ? |
[19:33:17] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: google again dc10 v4l |
[19:33:23] | ^Willie^: | it is an pinacle video cutter |
[19:33:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it's not the channel's job to do your Googling for you |
[19:33:55] | sphery: | oh, wait, who's the one asking for help |
[19:34:00] | wagnerrp: | so its a capture card? |
[19:34:02] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Rudeness won't be tolerated here, particularly of channel operators/developers-- please remain courteous if you would like help |
[19:34:11] | iamlindoro: | er ^Willie^ |
[19:34:11] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to output from a capture card? |
[19:34:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: my bad ;) |
[19:34:19] | sphery: | ^Willie^: iamlindoro's comment was for you |
[19:34:30] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: cause it is more then just capture :S |
[19:35:01] | ^Willie^: | sphery: and in what way must i be rude ? |
[19:35:29] | wagnerrp: | im trying to help you, and you tell me to 'go google it' |
[19:35:29] | iamlindoro: | You must be rude in *no* way if you want to remain here |
[19:35:40] | sphery: | ^Willie^: suggesting that someone who's trying to help you should be Googling for info on the thing you're asking for help with is rather rude |
[19:35:44] | iamlindoro: | But let's cut to the chase |
[19:35:46] | ^Willie^: | anyway this card have 3 input's and 3 output's working via v4l output is zoran based |
[19:35:55] | iamlindoro: | ^Willie^: output of video via your device in linux is unsupported |
[19:36:04] | iamlindoro: | so no, you cannot do what you seek to do without writing an output driver |
[19:36:13] | ^Willie^: | sphery: if you did ask howlong i'm working on this then i did told you what nyou tell me now |
[19:36:39] | ^Willie^: | i do google for days and try on my own managed input and output but output is now limited to mplayer only and xorg only init's the card on boot |
[19:37:02] | ^Willie^: | so i`m doing something wrong and the manuals are incomplete/limited about pinacle dc10's or zoran based cards |
[19:37:13] | sphery: | ^Willie^: MythTV can do output to any video card with Xv support |
[19:37:19] | iamlindoro: | ^Willie^: please seek help in #v4l, we don't provide support for oyur issue here |
[19:37:30] | sphery: | if your card doesn't support Xv, Myth can't use it |
[19:37:30] | wagnerrp: | the documentation is not incomplete, it just doesnt list everything that is not supported |
[19:37:52] | ^Willie^: | sphery: jup but thats thew problem load xorg-video-v4l in xorg and use xv as output must make it work but there is it going wrong ... |
[19:37:57] | wagnerrp: | at current, mythtv only supports Xv, framebuffer, and VDPAU outputs on linux |
[19:38:17] | ^Willie^: | and my card can work via xv over v4l driver |
[19:38:21] | sphery: | where directfb probably doesn't even work |
[19:38:25] | ^Willie^: | but dunno how to set that up |
[19:38:43] | ** iamlindoro suggests we stop there ** | |
[19:38:51] | sphery: | until you get that set up, Myth won't be able to use the card, so you'll need to focus on getting the Xv support working |
[19:38:53] | iamlindoro: | This is outside our pervue, especially in light of attitudes |
[19:39:09] | ^Willie^: | i just ask |
[19:39:20] | ^Willie^: | if you are not in the mood to chat then don't |
[19:39:21] | ** mag0o googles pervue ** | |
[19:39:24] | ^Willie^: | posible others will |
[19:39:41] | wagnerrp: | in general, mythtv is dropping support for such hardware, in favor of proper video cards |
[19:39:49] | iamlindoro: | ^Willie^: If you are courteous, we will be happy to help you with issues having to do with MythTV-- but those related to making your hardware work are not what we do here |
[19:39:51] | sphery: | mag0o: it's like what cable co's use: Pay Pervue |
[19:40:02] | mag0o: | ahh |
[19:40:04] | mag0o: | :) |
[19:40:10] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: do you know what kinds of card the pinacle dc10/dc30's where or just guessing ? they where not cheap i can tell you |
[19:40:10] | sphery: | yeah, that was a joke |
[19:40:12] | wagnerrp: | output support for the PVR-350 got dropped in trunk |
[19:40:24] | mag0o: | good one at that :) |
[19:40:26] | iamlindoro: | s/pervue/purview/ |
[19:40:37] | ** mag0o googles perview ** | |
[19:40:47] | sphery: | with a u |
[19:40:48] | mag0o: | err |
[19:40:51] | mag0o: | yeah |
[19:40:54] | sphery: | :) |
[19:40:56] | mag0o: | ok i'm going back to eating |
[19:41:24] | wagnerrp: | ^Willie^: yes, its a professional video editing card. someone has to have said hardware to necessitate developing support for it |
[19:41:24] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: point is dc10 video output is true pal signal no desynced vga converted to some sort of 800x600@50hz |
[19:41:43] | wagnerrp: | and none of the devs are going to bother doing so when a cheap $30 video card works just as well |
[19:41:49] | ^Willie^: | yes and there are 2 ways both developed but never finished |
[19:41:58] | ^Willie^: | zoran driver from mjpeg and v4l |
[19:42:13] | ** iamlindoro counts to ten...again ** | |
[19:42:31] | ^Willie^: | and i'm willing to continue the development if needed but do need some info then |
[19:42:39] | ^Willie^: | iamlindoro: short temper ? |
[19:42:53] | ^Willie^: | i just ask if you don't like don't make me act like you ;) |
[19:43:09] | ^Willie^: | it is no private channel for the info |
[19:43:32] | wagnerrp: | ^Willie^: chances are none of the developers who would know enough to advise you on developing a new output device for mythtv |
[19:43:32] | iamlindoro: | ^Willie^: Entirely too much patience, actually. But sarcastic and rude behavior with us (all of whom are myth devs) is not a good way to make friends here. If you want help, I suggest acting with a little more courtesy |
[19:43:36] | ^Willie^: | there are 190 other users in here so whats your point if you dont wana talk |
[19:43:47] | wagnerrp: | would see any benefit in doing so for a standard definition output device |
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[19:44:05] | iamlindoro: | ^Willie^: It has nothing to do with whether I want to talk, I am merely telling you that if you cannot follow our channel rules about courtesy, you will be leaving |
[19:44:06] | wagnerrp: | so if you want to make it work, you need to get the xorg-Xv drivers you mentioned working |
[19:44:12] | wagnerrp: | which is outside the scope of this channel |
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[19:44:53] | ^Willie^: | any idea`s for other usefull channels ? except v4l channel |
[19:45:06] | iamlindoro: | #v4l is the only channel that will be appropriate for your query |
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[19:45:25] | ^Willie^: | hmmzz ok |
[19:45:41] | ^Willie^: | something totaly else .. dvi to component video ... is that supported ? |
[19:45:52] | ^Willie^: | the dvi port is regulair fb |
[19:46:15] | wagnerrp: | ^Willie^: the only way to do that would be with a external hardware converter |
[19:46:19] | wagnerrp: | completely independent of the computer |
[19:46:23] | iamlindoro: | Myth has no knowledge of what video output you are using, it merely uses your Xorg output |
[19:46:39] | iamlindoro: | so what you do with the signal your computer puts out is unknown to myth |
[19:46:40] | wagnerrp: | so theres nothing mythtv, or xorg for that matter, could do to support or not support such a device |
[19:46:54] | ^Willie^: | dvi can send pure component video rgb from 480p to 1080p but dunno if 480p is supported by older tv`s or plasma's only.. |
[19:47:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, it can send RGB, which is not the typical signal used by devices supporting component video |
[19:47:42] | ^Willie^: | ok thnx then i do not have to try that |
[19:47:46] | wagnerrp: | trying to plug RGB (VGA) into a component input will almost certainly fail |
[19:48:09] | wagnerrp: | there are only a handful of devices, usually high end studio monitors or projectors, that support component RGB |
[19:48:12] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: i did read that dvi have real component not like vga`s hi-res rgb |
[19:48:38] | ^Willie^: | and my beamer do support component but to expansive to blowup |
[19:49:03] | ^Willie^: | anyway thnx |
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[19:49:21] | wagnerrp: | DVI only supports RGB, not the YPbPr traditionally used by component devices |
[19:51:07] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: for your info -> http://www.amazon.co.uk/COMPONENT-FEMALE-VIDE . . . f=pd_cp_ce_2 |
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[19:51:14] | ^Willie^: | DVI-A MALE TO 3 RCA COMPONENT FEMALE VIDEO ADAPTER (Analogue YPbPr) |
[19:51:30] | ^Willie^: | |
[19:52:17] | iamlindoro: | That is a cable, it will not function if your output device is not natively able to conver to yPbPr |
[19:52:31] | iamlindoro: | that is, you cannot simply stick that on any DVI port and get component out |
[19:53:02] | wagnerrp: | actually, its supposed to be component input to DVI |
[19:53:24] | jams: | so iamlindoro i imported a bunch of videos into into mythvideo .22 how does one update the metadata? |
[19:53:30] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will only work on a non-standard device which supports YPbPr over DVI-A |
[19:53:38] | iamlindoro: | !trout jams wiki |
[19:53:38] | ** MythLogBot slaps jams with a wiki trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
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[19:54:02] | wagnerrp: | the DVI spec only specifies RGB signaling for analog video |
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[19:54:11] | iamlindoro: | jams: highlight a video, pull up the context menu, Metadata Options->Download Metadata, or (default) press W |
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[19:54:40] | jams: | thx |
[19:55:43] | ^Willie^: | iamlindoro: yes and i'm aware of the diff between cheap and proper stuff |
[19:56:12] | ^Willie^: | iamlindoro: not all dvi outputs are identical like scart not alwatys have rgb i/o but it belongs to the standart |
[19:56:19] | wagnerrp: | ^Willie^: see page 23 of the DVI spec... http://www.ddwg.org/lib/dvi_10.pdf |
[19:56:51] | wagnerrp: | DVI is DVI, unless its something non-standard, at which point it is not DVI |
[19:56:53] | iamlindoro: | ^Willie^: Yes, and that would be cheap stuff. 99% of DVI output devices will not output anything with that cable |
[19:57:19] | wagnerrp: | as DVI will only support RGB (as per the spec), that cable will not function on any DVI compliant device |
[19:57:53] | wagnerrp: | only on a special device that uses proprietary alterations on the DVI spec |
[19:58:01] | ^Willie^: | iDVI-A (analog only) |
[19:58:17] | ^Willie^: | DVI-I (integrated, digital & analog) -> |
[19:58:19] | ^Willie^: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface |
[19:58:22] | ^Willie^: | but thnx |
[19:58:29] | wagnerrp: | see page 23 on the linked PDF, DVI-A is for analog RGB, not component YPbPr |
[19:58:32] | iamlindoro: | Where the signaling of the analog would be RGB. |
[19:58:42] | iamlindoro: | not YPbPr |
[19:59:07] | iamlindoro: | I desperately hope that you are not this difficult to get along with in whatever your native language is |
[20:00:22] | ^Willie^: | maby a bad start at the other channel iamlindoro ;) |
[20:00:28] | ^Willie^: | but have a nice eavening |
[20:00:53] | wagnerrp: | were just trying to warn you NOT to buy such a cable |
[20:00:59] | wagnerrp: | as it will almost certainly not work as you intend |
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[20:03:05] | ^Willie^: | wagnerrp: atm i do need to fix my media box and also have some work todo |
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[20:03:27] | ^Willie^: | for now tvout is ok but not for long due the image quality |
[20:03:48] | ^Willie^: | guess and own made ad725 based vga->pal/ntsc converter will do beter then tvout on ati cards |
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[20:04:23] | ^Willie^: | i have seen the diff with this pinacle composite out signal that is stable as it can be no flicker nothing and even sharp colors |
[20:04:26] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, the svideo output on my GF8400 is drastically improved from that on my older GF6200 |
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[20:04:56] | ^Willie^: | not tested the gf6200 tvout have one in an other box but i did giveup on tvout |
[20:05:06] | ^Willie^: | it is always flickering |
[20:05:13] | ^Willie^: | or flaming |
[20:05:47] | ^Willie^: | and that is pretty normal if you look at how it is done .. chroma and luma are out of sync and frequency is wrong |
[20:05:54] | cynyr: | so when i try and use myth-setup i get the following error, http://pastebin.ca/1832371. It would seem that i'm mising something for QT and mysql |
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[20:07:04] | cynyr: | but i'm not sure what i would be missing, i normally don't use QT anything |
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[20:07:51] | cynyr: | ahh, mysql update broke it's qt4 plugin, i'll be back later, if it is still an issue |
[20:07:58] | jams: | figured if i'm going to take screenshots of stuff might as well have it look decent with stuff populated |
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[20:11:42] | iamlindoro: | jams: Why the screenies? |
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[20:13:41] | jams: | because i can |
[20:14:24] | jams: | almost have the renamed myth-walk program done. So I figured might as well take shots of themes when it's complete |
[20:14:37] | wagnerrp: | myth-walk? |
[20:14:52] | jams: | it's working now..just need to fill in all the navigation |
[20:15:37] | jams: | http://jmeyer.us/screens/myth_theme_tools.png |
[20:15:40] | jams: | early screenshot |
[20:16:07] | jams: | but it start myth, and walk the menu to whereever you want and take a screenshot |
[20:16:16] | jams: | or just start myth..or just create a map of the menu |
[20:16:42] | iamlindoro: | Interesting, could be a useful tool for theme regression testing |
[20:16:51] | jams: | iamlindoro- thats where this started |
[20:17:02] | jams: | i had someting done with bash for my own theme building along time ago |
[20:17:12] | jams: | but figured it needed to be updated and made a bit more robust |
[20:17:52] | wagnerrp: | is this an alternate theme engine? or something using the telnet interface? |
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[20:18:16] | jams: | not an alternate theme engine |
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[20:20:15] | jams: | the taking of screenshots and keys used to get there is all in a cfg file, so it's easy to add your own |
[20:20:35] | jams: | or update as myth changes |
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[20:30:07] | jams: | iamlindoro- it's also why i asked if you had a test database :) |
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[20:52:10] | iamlindoro: | heh. http://www.chimeratv.it/scopri.htm |
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[20:56:48] | iamlindoro: | foxbuntu: Heh, love your web site, now if only there was any way to buy anything from you :) |
[20:58:15] | jams: | it's been that way for a long time |
[20:59:12] | iamlindoro: | jams: http://www.foxmediasystems.com/ ? |
[20:59:18] | jams: | yep |
[20:59:23] | iamlindoro: | Looks like he just put up a new site in Jan. |
[20:59:25] | jams: | he revamped it |
[20:59:35] | iamlindoro: | (though possibly on the old site it wasn't possible to buy anything either :) |
[20:59:39] | jams: | the site has been there for some time |
[20:59:46] | jams: | thats correct |
[20:59:56] | jams: | the new one does look better |
[21:00:14] | jams: | more sly |
[21:01:53] | jams: | wow 30 minutes to import the music and still going |
[21:03:24] | ** iamlindoro considers picking up Final Fantasy 13 on the way home... ** | |
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[21:03:59] | jams: | going to try and wait for a used copy to show up |
[21:04:42] | iamlindoro: | I have a free evening, so it's that or actually do meaningful work on Myth ;) |
[21:05:14] | jams: | ff13 sounds like more fun |
[21:05:36] | jams: | hope its easier to get into then ff12 was |
[21:05:51] | jams: | the first 3 hours of that game was painful |
[21:05:59] | iamlindoro: | I liked 12 all right-- 13 seems very like 12, actually |
[21:06:10] | iamlindoro: | but you're right, you had to get going before it really became fun |
[21:06:14] | jams: | yep |
[21:06:35] | iamlindoro: | I love the stories, hate the busy work |
[21:06:45] | jams: | i hated walking around that city |
[21:06:54] | iamlindoro: | My favorites are 8 and 9, everyone else's least favorites :) |
[21:07:10] | jams: | 9 was fun 8 was no fun |
[21:07:10] | iamlindoro: | 7 was okay, X and X-2 were okay, I liked 12... |
[21:07:18] | iamlindoro: | Haha, I *love* 8 |
[21:07:21] | jams: | i acutally gave 8 to a friend of mine |
[21:07:22] | iamlindoro: | love it love itv |
[21:07:28] | iamlindoro: | and especially love the ending |
[21:07:42] | iamlindoro: | I still pull up the final after-credits ending of 8 on youtube a couple times a year and smile |
[21:07:49] | ** iamlindoro goes to do that now ** | |
[21:07:53] | jams: | wow |
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[21:08:59] | iamlindoro: | I think it was the love story part of it, which they nailed much better than any other FF game |
[21:09:15] | jams: | i don't think I ever got that far into the game |
[21:10:42] | iamlindoro: | It bothers me in a lot of the FF games that no character's motivation goes any deeper than I want to defeat my childhood nemesis/I want to save my country because E_NOREASON/I am the last of a dying breed/I am a brooding prince/I want to be a dragoon knight |
[21:11:11] | iamlindoro: | So I think I liked 8 because you felt like the main character had a personal investment in the whole investment in the conflict |
[21:11:35] | iamlindoro: | er in the whole conflict |
[21:15:21] | jams: | man we need to find my sister in law a job |
[21:15:49] | iamlindoro: | jams: I always get a chuckle out of: http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html |
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[21:16:43] | jams: | it's so true |
[21:21:30] | Jay2k1: | can anyone tell me where i can find the time of the next recording in the db? |
[21:22:16] | wagnerrp: | no one can |
[21:22:20] | wagnerrp: | (it doesnt exist) |
[21:22:21] | iamlindoro: | IT's not kept there |
[21:22:25] | iamlindoro: | the active schedule is in memory |
[21:22:35] | iamlindoro: | s/active schedule/upcoming recordings/ |
[21:22:45] | wagnerrp: | you can either pull it over mythproto, or you can pull it from the backend status page |
[21:22:48] | iamlindoro: | you can look at the backend XML status page to see what's upcoming |
[21:24:58] | Jay2k1: | hmm, like parsing the "backend status" bit of mythweb? good idea |
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[21:25:32] | iamlindoro: | no |
[21:25:44] | iamlindoro: | mythweb just dumps the backend status page into its own context |
[21:25:57] | iamlindoro: | we suggest you just pull the backend status page directly rather than try to scrape mythweb |
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[21:26:38] | Jay2k1: | ok, where can i find it? |
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[21:27:38] | iamlindoro: | http://ip.add.re.ss:6544/ |
[21:27:49] | iamlindoro: | replace with your backend IP as necessary |
[21:27:57] | Jay2k1: | heh, thank you |
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[21:30:26] | Jay2k1: | neat... didn't even know that exists |
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[21:32:09] | wagnerrp: | or if you want the xml version... http://ip.add.re.ss:6544/xml |
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[21:35:18] | jams: | anybody know what the R key is for in the playback box? |
[21:35:35] | wagnerrp: | Jay2k1: you may find it easier to parse out 'mythbackend --printsched' |
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[21:37:06] | Jay2k1: | thank you |
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[21:49:08] | leprechau: | anyone had a problem with the latest mythweb svn from .21 fixes having a messed up videos listing? |
[21:49:40] | ** wagnerrp hasnt run 0.21 mythweb in over a year ** | |
[21:49:56] | leprechau: | do you run mythweb at all? |
[21:50:02] | leprechau: | or which one do you run? |
[21:50:06] | bjd: | 0.22 |
[21:50:10] | wagnerrp: | trunk |
[21:50:28] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 got released like 5 months ago |
[21:52:02] | leprechau: | sorry i meant .22 fixes |
[21:52:30] | sphery: | 0.22-fixes MythWeb doesn't support MythVideo Storage Groups |
[21:52:51] | sphery: | IIRC |
[21:52:57] | iamlindoro: | corect |
[21:53:22] | leprechau: | it's mythweb .22 fixes 23562 |
[21:53:49] | leprechau: | hrm...is there a workaround to get the display looking right? |
[21:54:22] | sphery: | "looking right"? |
[21:54:40] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythvideo in mythweb, you either need to move back to local files, upgrade to trunk (or wait a few days/weeks), or do your own unsupported backport |
[21:55:12] | wagnerrp: | i believe the patch in question is #7674 |
[21:55:15] | leprechau: | sphery, the directory structure doesn't show up it just lists all the files with no order |
[21:55:20] | leprechau: | well no structure |
[21:55:30] | sphery: | are you using storage groups or not? |
[21:55:32] | wagnerrp: | thats a different issue, dont know about that one |
[21:55:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, thats what happens when you use SG content in old mythweb |
[21:56:10] | wagnerrp: | i forget when that got fixed |
[21:56:11] | leprechau: | sphery, yes I have storage groups setup on the backend...I did it when I updated to .22 awhile back |
[21:56:20] | kormoc: | xris fixed it a month or two ago |
[21:56:44] | leprechau: | wagnerrp, aight I'll wait...it's not that big of deal...just wanted to make sure it wasn't just a dumb mistake on my part |
[21:57:11] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: there are a couple 'blockers' left, but a 0.23RC should be out any time now |
[21:57:23] | wagnerrp: | with a full release shortly after that |
[21:57:32] | leprechau: | wow, that's really nice |
[21:57:50] | wagnerrp: | trunk has been in freeze since... early february? |
[21:58:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
[21:58:12] | leprechau: | .21 -> .22 is going to be a much longer period than the .22 -> .23 then |
[21:58:34] | sphery: | yep |
[21:58:43] | sphery: | in theory myth releases will be much more frequent, now |
[21:58:52] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 is largely going to be a cleanup of stuff started in 0.22 |
[21:59:02] | sphery: | trac is either way too slow or dead, again |
[22:00:29] | iamlindoro: | I just got my awesome new components but for some reason I can't get my system to boot |
[22:00:37] | iamlindoro: | I got the processor pictured here: http://www.gearlog.com/2010/03/hands_on_fake_ . . . _i7-92_1.php |
[22:00:52] | sphery: | nice |
[22:01:28] | wagnerrp: | were those just plastic on the bottom? or were they something that could actually fry your board if you tried to use it? |
[22:01:41] | kormoc: | plastic |
[22:01:43] | kormoc: | horrible fakes |
[22:01:45] | iamlindoro: | allegedly the procs are molded blocks of metal |
[22:01:54] | iamlindoro: | the fan is a piece of plastic with a sticket on it of a fan |
[22:01:55] | iamlindoro: | haha |
[22:01:56] | sphery: | with plastic shaped like fans |
[22:02:01] | iamlindoro: | sticker |
[22:02:11] | kormoc: | ahh, was thinking of the fans |
[22:02:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the fan was amusing |
[22:02:32] | sphery: | Sochet LGA 1366 |
[22:02:36] | sphery: | [sic] |
[22:03:22] | iamlindoro: | I should sochet to the kitchen and get a soda |
[22:03:25] | kormoc: | 8MB Cache is hawt |
[22:03:40] | sphery: | So that's what they're doing with all that extra lead that they're no longer allowed to put in children's toys: http://www.gearlog.com/IMG_3755.JPG |
[22:03:56] | wagnerrp: | so you seriously got one in the mail? or were you just bringing it up? |
[22:04:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I was just fooling around, didn't get one |
[22:04:41] | wagnerrp: | i got a pair of what were apparently counterfeit Intel NICs a couple years ago |
[22:04:52] | iamlindoro: | I'll need a bonus/raise before I can upgrade all the existing perfectly good quad core stuff to i7 :) |
[22:04:53] | wagnerrp: | from NewEGG |
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[22:05:08] | wagnerrp: | well you do have a huge stack of spare hard drives |
[22:05:22] | wagnerrp: | anyway... bought them, installed them, they worked great for a couple months |
[22:05:26] | wagnerrp: | then one died |
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[22:05:31] | iamlindoro: | I actually managed to use up all the old 1TBs |
[22:05:36] | wagnerrp: | then like 2 weeks later the other one died |
[22:05:46] | sphery: | "This box contains an Intel(R) processor ans a thermal solution designed for use ina Desktop PC. ... the system requirements for Intel(R) Hyper.Threading Technology are contained in the booklet enclosed." |
[22:06:03] | wagnerrp: | i sent them in for warranty repair at Intel, only to have them 'confiscated as part of an ongoing counterfeit investigation' |
[22:07:10] | kormoc: | youch |
[22:07:17] | sphery: | presumably with a replacement sent your way, right? |
[22:07:32] | bjd: | doubt it? |
[22:07:46] | sphery: | Someone would have replaced them if that happened to me. |
[22:07:52] | sphery: | Maybe newegg, if not Intel. |
[22:07:55] | wagnerrp: | no, they just sent me some certified letter documenting such |
[22:07:58] | sphery: | but I would have made sure they got replaced. |
[22:08:00] | wagnerrp: | and newegg sent me new parts |
[22:08:04] | sphery: | ah, cool |
[22:08:12] | sphery: | that works--just as long as you don't bear the cost |
[22:08:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, newegg seemed very quick to want to keep me happy |
[22:08:45] | sphery: | yeah, they're service has always made me happy |
[22:08:51] | sphery: | s/they're/their/ |
[22:08:52] | wagnerrp: | of course ive been buying stuff there for like 10 years |
[22:08:58] | iamlindoro: | Anyone been following Human Target? I've been recording, dutifully editing, and archiving it, but haven't seen it yet |
[22:09:08] | sphery: | (the danger of changing what you're saying mid-sentence) |
[22:09:14] | iamlindoro: | It can be like this year's Fringe for me, which I didn't watch until one go through the whole first season :) |
[22:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Which is like being sphery all the time |
[22:09:44] | sphery: | heh |
[22:10:33] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, and TrashForward is coming back... |
[22:10:44] | iamlindoro: | and (Yay!) V |
[22:11:26] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get back to editing/archiving stuff |
[22:11:30] | wagnerrp: | ive got like two months of backlog |
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[22:11:53] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I tend to give up on shows when I get too behind, and just delete the whole shabang |
[22:12:09] | iamlindoro: | Spartacus: Blood and Sand has really grown on me (if you get Starz) |
[22:12:19] | wagnerrp: | nope, no premos |
[22:12:35] | iamlindoro: | if you like period drama, tons of bloody gory violence, and tons of nudity and sex |
[22:12:48] | wagnerrp: | dont even have digital cable for that matter |
[22:12:48] | sphery: | That happened for me with Friday Night Lights. Deleted the first 3 seasons all at once because I decided I didn't want to catch up with it (had never started watching it). |
[22:12:56] | wagnerrp: | although apparently thats going to change by next august |
[22:12:56] | bjd: | iamlindoro: sounds like Rome. |
[22:13:21] | iamlindoro: | bjd: Much gorier, much MUCH more explicit sexually, and more of a small story than a big one |
[22:13:39] | bjd: | =) |
[22:13:46] | iamlindoro: | most of it is shot on green screen and it mostly takes place in a single building (and a colloseum) so far |
[22:13:59] | iamlindoro: | so less of Rome's epic feeling |
[22:13:59] | wagnerrp: | so its turned into softcore with high production values? |
[22:14:07] | kormoc: | bjd: it's all smiles until you realize what they mean by 'sword fights' |
[22:14:15] | iamlindoro: | And if you ever wanted to see Xena naked, there's that I guess |
[22:14:22] | iamlindoro: | though she is much more feminine here |
[22:15:12] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't feel pornographic, really... tough to explain... the characters are kind of skeevy and dirty so it makes the sex seem a bit more provocative |
[22:15:55] | iamlindoro: | All that said, not many people get Starz so it might be moot |
[22:16:39] | wagnerrp: | i still cant believe they cableco is shutting down analog in 4 months with not a peep about it on TV |
[22:21:37] | iamlindoro: | Wonder when true blood is back... |
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[22:22:51] | bjd: | i've not seen true blood – i guess thats worth a go? |
[22:23:12] | iamlindoro: | It took me a second attempt to get into it |
[22:23:26] | iamlindoro: | I watched a couple episodes and was okay, watched it the second time through and came to like it a lot |
[22:23:33] | bjd: | =) |
[22:23:44] | bjd: | weirdly, i quite like "the mentalist" |
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[22:39:12] | jams: | iamlindoro- pretty soon..thought I saw a commerical for it coming back in about a month |
[22:39:25] | iamlindoro: | jams: Early June, looks like |
[22:41:10] | ** jams is amazed and how much the color scheme for mythcenter looks like one of his themes ** | |
[22:42:49] | iamlindoro: | So you mean your theme is a shameless color scheme ripoff of WMC too? ;) |
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[22:44:59] | Dibblah: | There is a quite similar show, featuring a highly religious guy who kills people. The fundementalist. |
[22:45:14] | iamlindoro: | haha |
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[22:47:06] | jams: | hah yeah i dont' think so |
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[23:03:13] | jams: | ho hum..what boring work entering in cmd sequences |
[23:05:17] | TheWarlord: | Good afternoon/evening everyone. I've got a problem with Mythtv and my HD-Homerun. Myth scan finds all my channels just fine, but it has a problem locking onto two HD channels on one frequency (98.3 and 98.804). Using the HDHR GUI I can tune and watch just fine using VLC, so the HDHR is working fine. Can someone help me get myth to tune in properly? |
[23:06:54] | TheWarlord: | (a third non-HD channel on that same multiplex works just fine — it's only those two HD channels that fail to lock) |
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[23:44:27] | wagnerrp: | james miller needs a good stabbing... |
[23:47:14] | kormoc: | in the face! With fire! |
[23:47:55] | wagnerrp: | apparently hes using Alpine (derived from Pine) |
[23:48:18] | wagnerrp: | one would expect an old unix mailer to properly add 'Re: ' tags, and support threading |
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