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| [00:34:47] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, r23697, you are my hero! |
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| [00:40:46] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: hopefully that will prevent future chaos |
| [00:40:55] | iamlindoro: | hope so :) |
| [00:40:59] | elmojo: | sphery: anything else you can think of that needs to be done? |
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| [00:54:22] | sphery: | elmojo: not off the top of my head |
| [00:54:32] | sphery: | I'll do some quick checks when I get my dev box up again |
| [00:54:48] | elmojo: | ok, thanks |
| [00:55:41] | elmojo: | sphery: have you took power usage numbers for your Regor 240 yet? |
| [00:57:35] | elmojo: | probably going to upgrade soon |
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| [01:04:33] | sphery: | elmojo: The numbers I have in my notes look suspect... They show an increase from an average of 50.836kWh/mo to 76.216kWh/mo when switching from an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ to a 65W AMD Athlon II X2 240. Granted, it's all new mobo and a switch from 512MB DDR to 4GB DDR2, but the chipset should be a lot more efficient than the old. Then again, it's possible that the 1700+ wasn't the 64W TDP (Palomino) version, but a newer 49.5W or ... |
| [01:04:40] | sphery: | ... 51W TDP (Thoroughbred A/B) version... |
| [01:05:57] | elmojo: | sphery: I'm running an XP3000+ right now and see 120W at the wall |
| [01:06:10] | sphery: | actually, it's quite possible that is accurate... So, between the 1/2GB RAM to 4GB RAM and the CPU and mobo usage, it did increase by about 50% |
| [01:06:12] | elmojo: | was hoping a new AMD setup would be < 80 watts at the wall |
| [01:06:25] | elmojo: | that's terrible |
| [01:06:33] | sphery: | same HDD and PSU, mobo has CPU/RAM/single HDD and no other peripherals. |
| [01:06:47] | sphery: | but now it's a dual-core |
| [01:07:25] | sphery: | oh, and the 76.216kWh/mo (which is an average draw of 105.86W at the wall) is while running BOINC/SETI@home 24/7/52 |
| [01:07:45] | elmojo: | how much does that load the CPU? |
| [01:08:02] | kormoc: | 100% for both cores |
| [01:08:05] | sphery: | the majority of the power usage savings with new CPU's is in the idle/power savings features of the newer CPU's |
| [01:08:09] | sphery: | right, 100% x 2 cores |
| [01:08:19] | sphery: | so no Cool 'n' Quiet for me :) |
| [01:08:26] | elmojo: | cool, wonder what you see at the wall while idle |
| [01:08:43] | elmojo: | sphery: why are you running that? |
| [01:09:07] | sphery: | to find the aliens |
| [01:09:17] | sphery: | I haven't run any idle tests |
| [01:09:37] | elmojo: | sphery: I've even thought about going with a Sempron |
| [01:09:45] | kormoc: | They are tricksy, those aliens, hiding behind the space dust... |
| [01:09:59] | sphery: | I can do that sometime, but it will be a while (I broke my dev box to allow me to try to reproduce the 7%/14% CPU usage issue so I can see when Qt fixed it) |
| [01:10:14] | sphery: | so concentrating on my dev box, now |
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| [01:17:03] | sphery: | yay, I have a Myth dev box, again |
| [01:17:32] | iamlindoro: | If you want to take a vacation from development, you don't have to make up stories or crash systems, you know |
| [01:17:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know much of the perl bindings? i cant seem to find any 'DELETE_RECORDING' call in there |
| [01:18:20] | wagnerrp: | about to fire off an email to Keith Edmunds on the list on how to delete recordings from a script |
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| [01:18:25] | sphery: | kormoc: see, that's how it's done... my dev box was out of action for only 3 hours |
| [01:18:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the perl bindings only have a backend_command call |
| [01:19:08] | wagnerrp: | sounds good, thats the best i could come up with (and thats the source line i linked him to) |
| [01:19:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you have to actually know what command to send and what arguments and what it returns and how to parse what it returns (or to pass it to the thing that creates recordings from rows or ...) |
| [01:19:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i also linked him to the backend protocol documentation for the command on the wiki |
| [01:20:32] | sphery: | i.e. perl bindings are like C++ and the python bindings are like Qt |
| [01:20:49] | sphery: | better would be to convince him to use the python bindings :) |
| [01:21:30] | wagnerrp: | well for one, i linked him to semi-complete wiki documentation, the other linked him to the source on trac |
| [01:21:34] | wagnerrp: | he can choose for himself |
| [01:23:51] | sphery: | there, I tried to sell him on the python bindings |
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| [01:52:26] | wagnerrp: | will trac even provide IP addresses for anonymous users? (in reference to #7940) |
| [01:53:10] | sphery: | you can get to them (need an account to do so)... trying to remember how |
| [01:53:27] | iamlindoro: | admin, spam |
| [01:53:36] | iamlindoro: | (monitoring) |
| [01:53:40] | sphery: | nice backtrace in the description.... |
| [01:53:40] | sphery: | wow |
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| [01:56:28] | wagnerrp: | can i mark a recorder as offline without stopping the entire backend? |
| [01:56:42] | wagnerrp: | i guess i can always lock it |
| [01:57:07] | wagnerrp: | seems every time ive had a recording fail in the last two weeks |
| [01:57:13] | wagnerrp: | its been on the secondary tuner on my HDHR |
| [01:58:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so shoudl we mark that entry as spam? |
| [01:58:36] | wagnerrp: | well its not advertising anything, its just retarded |
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| [01:58:47] | iamlindoro: | I tend to agree w/ wagnerrp |
| [01:58:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: could always do the EXECTV thing for it and never release it back |
| [01:59:01] | sphery: | (whatever the proto command is) |
| [01:59:12] | sphery: | I'm sure with the python bindings you could whip up the script in seconds :) |
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| [02:01:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it wont let me lock it, because one of the virtual tuners is already in use |
| [02:01:10] | sphery: | ahh |
| [02:01:16] | andreax: | Anyone got an idea, why mythwelcome (or better sudo) is still asking for password when the frontend should shutdown? I made the relevant entries in /etc/sudoers and from terminal the mythtv-user is able to shutdown the system. From mythwelcome not... |
| [02:01:40] | wagnerrp: | looks like im losing two recordings tonight |
| [02:01:53] | wagnerrp: | the other three fell (or will fall) onto the good tuner |
| [02:02:13] | sphery: | wow, iamlindoro will be jealous that you have 2 more LOST recordings than he does |
| [02:02:20] | andreax: | I mean from terminal it wont ask for a password, from mythwelcome i get that question.... |
| [02:02:36] | iamlindoro: | har har har |
| [02:02:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you tried stopping the recording in progress? Shouldn't restart if you stop it properly. |
| [02:02:58] | sphery: | then you can check that tuner out |
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| [02:03:31] | sphery: | andreax: trunk? |
| [02:04:13] | andreax: | sphery: yeah |
| [02:04:27] | sphery: | is this something it just started doing? |
| [02:04:44] | sphery: | like, maybe, after upgrading to a revision >= r23560 |
| [02:04:53] | sphery: | or is this the first time you've tried to configure it? |
| [02:05:07] | wagnerrp: | and there goes the other tuner.... theyve both locked |
| [02:05:09] | andreax: | sphery: Cant answer that correctly, i reinstalled the whole machine 2 days ago... |
| [02:05:10] | sphery: | (actually, could have started as early as 23518 |
| [02:05:15] | andreax: | But before it was working... |
| [02:05:35] | sphery: | then it's probably your sudo config... unfortunately, I don't know sudoers |
| [02:05:59] | sphery: | I have it working in a very restricted condition, so I won't be any help |
| [02:06:09] | sphery: | might want to check with the ubuntu channel |
| [02:06:32] | andreax: | Lost all the renderers and deinterlacers a while ago, after some tries to fix this, i reinstall the whole machine... |
| [02:07:12] | andreax: | Crazy thing is i can halt and reboot the machine from the terminal. There i got no question for a password. But when mythwelcome (or frontend) try to do the same thing, it asks for a pw. |
| [02:07:55] | sphery: | different users? |
| [02:08:04] | sphery: | mythfrontend running as mythtv user or something? |
| [02:08:05] | andreax: | Nono, both mythtv. |
| [02:08:23] | sphery: | different sessions, perhaps? |
| [02:08:55] | andreax: | mythtv (user) is running mythwelcome. And i tried it from a remote terminal as the same user. |
| [02:09:12] | andreax: | I think so, the one is on xorg, the other the pure terminal. |
| [02:09:34] | sphery: | I'm not sure what it could be |
| [02:09:47] | sphery: | sorry (and good luck with it!) |
| [02:10:07] | andreax: | :) thx anyways.. |
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| [04:20:19] | Geminizer: | hello all. does anyone know which process is responsible for capturing video (during recording) ? |
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| [04:22:01] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend |
| [04:22:28] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [04:24:09] | Geminizer: | wagnerrp: would you know if it is possible to communicate with mythbackend via the CLI ? (e.g. mythbackend -cancel_recording) ? |
| [04:24:29] | wagnerrp: | not exactly |
| [04:24:48] | wagnerrp: | there are a handful of events you can send from the command line |
| [04:25:18] | wagnerrp: | issuing a scheduler, refreshing the settings cache, refreshing the upnp server, sending a custom event to the event system |
| [04:25:32] | wagnerrp: | canceling a recording is not one of them |
| [04:25:41] | wagnerrp: | you would have to hit it directly over mythproto for that one |
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| [04:26:07] | wagnerrp: | either that or edit the recording schedule, and trigger a scheduler run |
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| [04:39:13] | Geminizer: | wagnerrp: what do you mean by "trigger a scheduler run" ? |
| [04:39:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean exactly what i said |
| [04:40:01] | wagnerrp: | either run 'mythbackend --resched' |
| [04:40:13] | wagnerrp: | or send the backend command that would otherwise do the same thing |
| [04:41:05] | wagnerrp: | if you just want to stop a recording, and you arent actually looking to do it from the command line, the easiest way to do that would probably be through mythweb |
| [04:41:19] | wagnerrp: | just open it up, go to the recordings page, and delete the recording |
| [04:41:38] | wagnerrp: | or you can open it up, and set a custom override |
| [04:45:37] | iamlindoro: | http://www.program-glitch-esc.net/ Heh, awesome |
| [04:47:40] | Geminizer: | that works for me... thanks for the help, wagnerrp.. and my apologies for broadcasting my question to both myth channels |
| [04:48:27] | wagnerrp: | another trailer? |
| [04:48:36] | wagnerrp: | seems so |
| [04:52:15] | wagnerrp: | i have to admit, i thought the original tron was pretty lame |
| [04:52:19] | wagnerrp: | but im excited about this one |
| [04:55:01] | kormoc: | Way hotter females |
| [04:55:24] | iamlindoro: | chick on the couch is super hot |
| [04:55:31] | kormoc: | ^^++ |
| [04:55:34] | wagnerrp: | (thats the only one you see) |
| [04:55:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: there's one in white |
| [04:55:57] | iamlindoro: | http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1739426048/nm1312575 |
| [04:56:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3437729024/nm2100657 |
| [04:57:11] | iamlindoro: | First is chick on couch, I believe |
| [04:57:17] | wagnerrp: | damnedable flash player, wont let me restart |
| [04:57:45] | iamlindoro: | drag the play head |
| [04:58:40] | wagnerrp: | i can drag the location wherever i want, the play button ceases to function once you hit the end |
| [04:58:55] | wagnerrp: | no matter, im just pulling the file directly |
| [04:59:28] | iamlindoro: | http://www.filmedge.net/Tron/images/SamQuorra_1800.jpg |
| [04:59:41] | iamlindoro: | I loved original tron |
| [04:59:47] | iamlindoro: | watched it a million times as a kid |
| [04:59:55] | wagnerrp: | thats the thing |
| [05:00:01] | wagnerrp: | i saw it as a kid and thought it was cool |
| [05:00:13] | wagnerrp: | i saw it again... and was less impressed |
| [05:00:36] | iamlindoro: | Have watched it as an adult multiple times, I still like :) |
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| [05:08:32] | wagnerrp: | wait... a... minute... |
| [05:08:38] | wagnerrp: | this is a simulation running inside a computer |
| [05:08:52] | wagnerrp: | a computer that has only been up for nine and a half days? |
| [05:09:12] | iamlindoro: | where did 9.5 days come from? |
| [05:09:16] | wagnerrp: | one with 2.5GB of memory, and runs Xorg |
| [05:09:35] | wagnerrp: | theyre running 'top' in the background of the terminal he wipes the dust off of |
| [05:10:23] | iamlindoro: | While I am loathe to indulge nerdy overanalysis... |
| [05:10:29] | iamlindoro: | who says the simulation is running on that system? |
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| [05:13:36] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats the thing that booted up, and paged the other guy |
| [05:14:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, girl on the couch is wilde, shes got pretty distinct eyes |
| [05:14:40] | iamlindoro: | I sure hope she's Wilde |
| [05:14:44] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [05:15:01] | wagnerrp: | she is wearing black leather... |
| [05:15:50] | iamlindoro: | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9 . . . n_legacy.jpg |
| [05:15:52] | iamlindoro: | nom nom |
| [05:16:16] | wagnerrp: | glowing... black leather... |
| [05:17:31] | kormoc: | I for one am a fan |
| [05:17:42] | wagnerrp: | the woman in white is http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0261633/ |
| [05:18:54] | wagnerrp: | no, you were right first |
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| [05:20:04] | wagnerrp: | black hair threw me off, but i guess thats not hard at all to change |
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| [05:36:30] | achew22: | Is there a way to make a script be run when the sleep timer goes off instead of just DPMS'ing off |
| [05:36:58] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the sleep timer only exists to exit playback |
| [05:37:13] | wagnerrp: | and thats really only to prevent you from running livetv for extended periods |
| [05:42:42] | mzb: | if I have the same number of digital tuners as there are available transports is there any sense in staggering the order of virtual tuners? |
| [05:43:56] | mzb: | ie: t1=v1+v2, t2=v3+v4, t3=v5+v6 ... then add again: t1+=v7+v8, t2+=v9+v10, t3+=v11+v12 |
| [05:44:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | achew22, you could submit a patch to add a 'SLEEPTIMER_EXPIRED' system event. :) |
| [05:44:19] | mzb: | (using 3 tuners set to 2 virtuals, and then increasing each to 4) |
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| [05:49:09] | jst_: | Is there a way to list upcoming recordings from the command line? |
| [05:49:43] | [R]: | there is this command line program that connects to the backend |
| [05:49:47] | [R]: | i froget the name t hogh |
| [05:49:54] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend --printsched' |
| [05:50:14] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that is totally awesome |
| [05:50:22] | jst_: | Great, thanks! |
| [05:50:38] | wagnerrp: | sorta... wait until you see what it actually prints out |
| [05:51:28] | wagnerrp: | it prints _everything_ duplicate, ignored, or otherwise |
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| [05:52:41] | achew22: | Captain_Murdoch: I might do that. Do you know where the system event code is? |
| [05:52:56] | wagnerrp: | one would hope so |
| [05:52:56] | jst_: | Yeah, that'll work though. Going away for a few weeks and I figured I'd watch TV if I have time. |
| [05:53:04] | wagnerrp: | either that or hes got a short memory |
| [05:55:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | achew22, add 1 line at the bottom of libs/libmythtv/mythsystemevent.cpp for where you add the new event name and it's description to make it appear in the editor, and then in the player code where the sleep timer expires, you just put SendMythSystemEvent("SLEEPTIMER_EXPIRED"); include mythsystemevent.h at the top of the player cpp file. |
| [05:56:50] | achew22: | Captain_Murdoch: Wow, thanks! I do have a few questions though, which editor would it appear in? |
| [05:57:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | the system event editor. :) in mythtv-setup and mythfrontend's setup page. all this assumes you're runnin trunk though, I should have mentioned that. |
| [05:58:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you're not on trunk you'll have to wait till 0.23. |
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| [05:59:06] | wagnerrp: | trunk from any point after [23012] |
| [06:00:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, was just looking up the changeset. :) |
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| [07:21:09] | justinh: | whee got my waterproof box made for the ethernet over power wireless bridge thingy :) |
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| [07:21:46] | wagnerrp: | ethernet over wireless power huh? |
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| [07:22:01] | justinh: | had to use velcro pads to mount everything though.. some idiot picked components that don't have mounting points |
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| [07:22:28] | wagnerrp: | an access point using PoE? or an access point using powerline networking? |
| [07:22:33] | justinh: | the latter |
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| [07:23:41] | justinh: | supposed to be for buses with cctv so they can offload recorded data when the bus returns to the depot every night |
| [07:23:52] | wilberfan: | hmm. does the internal player support subtitle display? I've tried pressing 't', but no love... |
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| [07:24:11] | justinh: | course it does. for supported formats |
| [07:24:13] | wilberfan: | copied .srt file to same directory and changed name... |
| [07:24:19] | wagnerrp: | justinh: meaning theyll be in a big garage that would have no problem otherwise running cat6? |
| [07:24:30] | justinh: | video.avi for example needs a srt called video.srt |
| [07:24:42] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yup |
| [07:25:07] | wagnerrp: | so why bother with powerline? |
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| [07:25:11] | justinh: | they might get lucky & it'll all just work :) |
| [07:25:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I dunno, it's just some manager's splendid idea |
| [07:25:56] | justinh: | they don't pay me to come up with a solution I just assemble stuff :D |
| [07:26:17] | wilberfan: | right.. but all i get is a "no captions" when I press 't'... |
| [07:26:18] | wagnerrp: | we already have all these power conduits run, lets not waste $15 on copper, when we can blow an extra $500 on hardware! |
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| [07:27:02] | justinh: | there's another problem too. the boxes which came in have transparent lids. not what I ordered |
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| [07:27:47] | wagnerrp: | i cant even imagine the uplink time when youve got a bunch of clients all trying to push the days video backlog through |
| [07:28:00] | wagnerrp: | of course youll probably saturate wireless long before the powerline stuff |
| [07:28:09] | justinh: | probably |
| [07:28:25] | justinh: | hey stop letting practicalities get in the way of a really cool idea! ;-) |
| [07:28:48] | justinh: | that's the kind of talk which can get you negative attention from those PHBs |
| [07:28:58] | wagnerrp: | cool idea, but way overcomplicated |
| [07:29:30] | justinh: | wagnerrp: plus it's prolly cheaper than getting the buses modified to have a robust ethernet socket fitted |
| [07:30:11] | justinh: | apparently bus drivers have enough to worry about anyway without having to remember plugging the bus into the network every night ;) |
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| [07:30:58] | wagnerrp: | you would think someone would die from carbon monoxide when some oaf forgot to turn his engine off at night |
| [07:31:00] | justinh: | I do wish these perennial downloaders would get some clue. everybody assumes that there's nothing wrong with their files |
| [07:31:38] | justinh: | heh buses might have a workaround for that already |
| [07:31:55] | wagnerrp: | running out of gas? |
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| [07:33:04] | wagnerrp: | should just set up an air raid klaxon that goes off if they start up the engine without dumping the data first |
| [07:33:07] | justinh: | course these recorders are as much about curtailing errant drivers as much as anything |
| [07:33:23] | justinh: | what with the onboard accelerometers & all :) |
| [07:33:34] | wagnerrp: | well dont tell them that! |
| [07:34:00] | kormoc: | upload them live to youtube! |
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| [07:34:29] | justinh: | kormoc: there's a 3G module can be fitted for uploading live video to the net :) |
| [07:34:39] | kormoc: | nice |
| [07:35:05] | justinh: | not youtube though. I think there might be a privacy concern or two with that |
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| [07:38:14] | wagnerrp: | im trying to find some video i came across of an internal cam capturing a crash caused by the driver rooting around on the floor for their lost cellphone |
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| [07:40:12] | justinh: | heh |
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| [07:40:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: http://www2.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/ . . . xting/70382/ ? |
| [07:43:18] | wagnerrp: | that could be it... remember it had something to do with a cell phone |
| [07:43:20] | justinh: | OOF! |
| [07:43:43] | justinh: | and nobody posted comments? heheh |
| [07:45:17] | wagnerrp: | is this guy actually accelerating? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-INwXT02dUY |
| [07:45:53] | kormoc: | looks that way |
| [07:46:57] | justinh: | heh none of these look like our kit. vid quality is too good for one thing |
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| [07:51:42] | justinh: | apparently the cctv recorder on the bus which got blown up on 7/7 was one of our competitors'. There wasn't any usable footage until forensics pieced the HDD back together |
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| [07:56:45] | justinh: | heh here's some from one of ours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyXYnGv6y1U&feature=related |
| [07:57:08] | justinh: | the ceo is driving btw |
| [07:57:32] | justinh: | oh no.. not in that one. must be in another crash video |
| [07:58:30] | kormoc: | nice quality |
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| [07:59:27] | justinh: | recorded on SSD iirc |
| [08:00:22] | wagnerrp: | justinh: think your company could have chosen a name a bit further from 'transvestite'? |
| [08:00:40] | justinh: | heh |
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| [08:01:00] | justinh: | so much has those goddamn 'Vu' letters too |
| [08:01:02] | wagnerrp: | man... i thought that stuff got filtered from youtube |
| [08:01:13] | justinh: | what.,. tranny videos? |
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| [08:03:03] | wagnerrp: | well this is somewhat unrelated, but so very amusing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9GzD002rk |
| [08:03:12] | justinh: | if you mean crash videos.. maybe they leave the ones where nobody gets hurt alone ;) |
| [08:03:45] | justinh: | heheheh.. like whut? lol |
| [08:05:41] | justinh: | hmm. now I have to make a very short cat5 patch cable |
| [08:06:04] | wagnerrp: | ive got one about two inches, including connectors |
| [08:07:24] | wagnerrp: | i really wish i had some video of a crash that happened about half a mile from my house |
| [08:08:25] | wagnerrp: | the only way i can imagine it happening is someone taking the corner too wide, ramping up one yard, completely clearing the next, and going nose first into the side of a van |
| [08:08:34] | wagnerrp: | it really must have been pretty spectacular |
| [08:10:08] | justinh: | whoah |
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| [08:10:10] | justinh: | I bet |
| [08:10:32] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe they could have done that |
| [08:10:45] | wagnerrp: | i mean theres no way some old woman in a caddy could have been going fast enough to do that |
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| [08:11:07] | wagnerrp: | but at the same time, thats the only way they could have collapsed the side in the van in the manner they did |
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| [08:32:15] | justinh: | heh my 'customer' is very happy with the box :) |
| [08:32:45] | justinh: | well at least with how it looks & how it's made. how it works is up to them to find out |
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| [08:39:41] | justinh: | "the theme so good it has its own website" ? lol |
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| [08:48:43] | justinh: | ouch. 16 results found for hd camcorder, Used. Is that all?! |
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| [09:07:56] | justinh: | hmm flip vs kodak. kodak wins |
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| [09:27:12] | AndyCap: | justinh: do they call them camcorders? |
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| [09:32:52] | justinh: | /ignore Agrajag I think |
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| [09:33:20] | justinh: | jees man |
| [09:33:40] | justinh: | can somebody op his backside outta here for a while please? |
| [09:34:01] | justinh: | AndyCap: been undecided about whether to go for 'pocket |
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| [09:34:32] | justinh: | err.. 'pocket' or 'traditional'.. but I figure the pocket ones are so cheap I can use one to tide me over til I get a real one ;-) |
| [09:35:32] | Gumby: | hi all. Is there a way to specify a preference for HD channels when creating a recording schdule? I'm doing my scheduling via mythweb but I dont see the option (but Iam getting tired and might be going blind) |
| [09:36:03] | justinh: | in mythtv-setup somewhere is a setting to prefer HD |
| [09:36:10] | justinh: | think it's in mythtv-setup anyway |
| [09:37:33] | Gumby: | ok. I will do some searching. thank you |
| [09:39:37] | justinh: | thinking about it, it's more likely in mythfrontend |
| [09:40:42] | Gumby: | I can set the HD channel to a higher priority it seems |
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| [09:41:43] | justinh: | heh it used to be a simple setting to enable/disable prioritisation of HD shows |
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| [09:42:10] | justinh: | but note shows still have to be marked as 'hd' in the epg |
| [09:43:11] | justinh: | heh. Seems Agrajag- is very aptly named |
| [09:43:49] | Gumby: | justinh: where did you read that from? |
| [09:44:10] | justinh: | I remember it was a simple toggle setting |
| [09:44:12] | Gumby: | the enable/disable prioritisation of HD |
| [09:44:13] | Gumby: | ah |
| [09:44:18] | Gumby: | thought yoy just quoted it |
| [09:44:26] | justinh: | but in a later release – I dunno when – somebody gave it a number |
| [09:44:37] | justinh: | not being a user of HD it escaped my gaze |
| [09:44:55] | Gumby: | "Addition Priority when a showing is marked as an HDTV broadcast in the TV listings" |
| [09:45:04] | justinh: | and now I'm struggling to remember if lower numbers mean higher priority or not |
| [09:45:05] | Gumby: | additional |
| [09:45:18] | Gumby: | higher means more priority from what I am reading |
| [09:45:38] | Gumby: | looks like mine is already set that way. hooray. |
| [09:45:38] | justinh: | that's what I always remember too, but recently saw something to the contrary |
| [09:45:38] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [09:46:03] | Gumby: | "For example, say CNN is on analog channel 20 and there is an HD CNN on 750. You may not want to tie up the HD input for news originating in standard definition. Under TV Settings->Recording Priorities->Channel Priorities you could set channel 750 to -1. The scheduler would then prefer to record CNN shows on any analog channel 20 before considering using 750 only when there are no analog inputs available." |
| [09:46:28] | Gumby: | assuming ch.20 was > -1 |
| [09:46:34] | gbee: | the HD prioritisation setting is buried, I think under the recording priorities section in the settings |
| [09:46:37] | Gumby: | it doesnt say. hehe |
| [09:46:42] | Gumby: | gbee: yes, that is where it is |
| [09:47:12] | gbee: | ah, missed the fact that you'd already found it |
| [09:47:36] | Gumby: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Recording Priorities->Set Recording Priorities |
| [09:47:38] | Gumby: | first page |
| [09:47:43] | justinh: | yup |
| [09:47:46] | Gumby: | HDTV Recording Priority |
| [09:47:49] | gbee: | Gumby: so long as your guide data includes information on what is in HD you should be fine then :) |
| [09:47:59] | Gumby: | gbee: yep. Seems like it :) |
| [09:48:02] | Gumby: | thanks guys |
| [09:48:18] | justinh: | you could also use channel priorities I suppose |
| [09:48:29] | gbee: | I've only just suggested to Nick that the UK grabber includes that info, it currently doesn't |
| [09:48:59] | justinh: | heh. as if the HD channels show anything but HD ? |
| [09:49:12] | justinh: | oh wait I think Ch4 shows a lot of upscaled junk |
| [09:49:14] | gbee: | justinh: that's what I currently rely on, the net effect is much the same since HD programmes appear on HD channels, it doesn't really matter where the priority bump happens |
| [09:49:34] | justinh: | actually is 4HD FTA yet? |
| [09:50:18] | gbee: | justinh: well nothing can be done about that, afaik RT don't include details on what is/isn't HD vs upscaled, best we can do is insert the HD flag for all *HD channels |
| [09:50:29] | justinh: | true |
| [09:50:55] | justinh: | I'm still slightly concerned I don't give a stuff about HD. I must be getting old |
| [09:51:08] | gbee: | justinh: no and I think it's still questionable whether it ever will be, C4 have just given VM an exclusive on Film4 HD for example |
| [09:52:28] | justinh: | though looking at HD camcorders I must have some kind of eye on the future. been seriously disappointed with home video in the past. DV for example.. Meh |
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| [09:53:22] | justinh: | is that slice of junk they called FlashForward back in UK listings yet? |
| [09:53:33] | justinh: | and when the heck are Virgin1 gonna show new Chuck? |
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| [09:54:01] | gbee: | it might be junk, but I'm trying to pretend otherwise because there's naff all else to watch ;) |
| [09:54:10] | justinh: | heheh |
| [09:54:31] | gbee: | justinh: I might be alone in this, but having seen the output from a couple of HD cameras there is a significant difference in quality from one to the next |
| [09:54:44] | justinh: | it was a good job I didn't have anything like a half brick handy when I saw the last episode of FF |
| [09:54:52] | justinh: | or I'd have had to buy a new telly |
| [09:55:10] | gbee: | I can't recommend any, just be aware that just because it's stamped HD doesn't mean the video quality is what it should be |
| [09:55:23] | justinh: | gbee: I've been looking at loads of reviews. the pocket ones seem to be pretty good apart from those Flip thingies |
| [09:55:41] | justinh: | or rather, the flip ones look okay til you see the video quality of the kodak ones |
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| [09:56:38] | justinh: | a mate of mine has a Zi6 & it's pretty staggering how good the detail & colour rendition is |
| [09:57:06] | gbee: | justinh: cool, maybe they've improved some, I just can't stop comparing everything to BBC HD documentaries like Life/Planet Earth and that's probably unreasonable because their cameras cost tens of thousands |
| [09:57:21] | justinh: | heheh |
| [09:57:30] | justinh: | not to mention the lenses they have to use |
| [09:57:36] | justinh: | and the lighting |
| [09:58:16] | justinh: | plus I doubt I'd ever feel ok about strapping a Red HD camera to my bike handlebars ;-) |
| [09:58:23] | gbee: | well lighting in all those cases is the sun :) |
| [09:59:20] | justinh: | I'd be happy enough with 720p/60 for home videos. It's a massive step up from the 480p/30 my stills camera can do :) |
| [09:59:52] | gbee: | there has to be something said about the lenses, after all the only difference between a £200 pair of binoculars and an £800 pair are the lenses and yet people are consistently willing to buy the more expensive ones |
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| [09:59:57] | justinh: | yay Chuck S3 starts on march 22 |
| [10:00:17] | gbee: | yay |
| [10:00:33] | justinh: | lenses make a hell of a difference on domestic gear |
| [10:00:50] | justinh: | doesn't matter how many megapixels you've got if the lens is a bit of bent plastic |
| [10:01:32] | justinh: | saw a video comparing a Flip Minos to a Kodak Zi model side by side & the Flip looked very blurry by comparison |
| [10:02:06] | justinh: | hmmm.. march 22.. should be in the guide already. let's see... |
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| [10:02:48] | justinh: | empty set :-( |
| [10:03:35] | gbee: | EIT? |
| [10:04:06] | justinh: | maybe I'll check |
| [10:04:20] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:04:50] | justinh: | select title, subtitle from program where title like "%chuck%" and chanid="1020"; strikes out |
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| [10:05:15] | justinh: | another site's saying 7th April |
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| [10:09:24] | justinh: | heh this is out on April 1st : http://gizmodo.com/5441046/kodak-playsport-ru . . . nder-the-sea |
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| [10:18:19] | xbmc: | channel ten puts a small white line accross bottom of screen how can i fix |
| [10:18:48] | justinh: | you can only fix stuff like that by overscanning the video |
| [10:18:52] | xbmc: | do i use scan displacement vertical |
| [10:19:19] | xbmc: | +1 or 2 or – 1 or 2 |
| [10:19:32] | xbmc: | will that move the picture down |
| [10:19:38] | justinh: | try it & see |
| [10:19:48] | justinh: | it's not like you'll make your TV explode if you get it wrong |
| [10:20:02] | xbmc: | Ive treied a few and it makes no chnage maybe i try more drastic numbers |
| [10:21:43] | justinh: | maybe just try changing the video playback settings a little |
| [10:22:04] | gbee: | overscan using the video overscan options in myth, not the driver fwiw |
| [10:22:14] | xbmc: | i just tried scan displacemnet -30 on y and it mdae no diffrence.... |
| [10:22:35] | justinh: | no what you need to do is make mythtv play back the video zoomed in a little |
| [10:22:49] | xbmc: | my screen is 1920x1080 |
| [10:23:11] | justinh: | so? |
| [10:23:15] | xbmc: | ah ok I think thres something wrong with screen set up |
| [10:23:24] | justinh: | no it's not the screen setup |
| [10:23:39] | justinh: | broadcast video has junk at the edges sometimes |
| [10:23:49] | justinh: | yes, even 'HD' |
| [10:23:57] | xbmc: | when i use screen set up wizard it seems wrong... |
| [10:24:06] | justinh: | you don't use that |
| [10:24:23] | gbee: | the screen setup wizard adjusts the UI size, you want to only adjust the video |
| [10:24:25] | justinh: | that wizard is to make the GUI fit your screen |
| [10:24:43] | justinh: | go into utils/setup > setup > Tv settings > playback |
| [10:24:59] | xbmc: | yes this is wher i have ben adjusting |
| [10:25:04] | xbmc: | been sorry |
| [10:25:05] | justinh: | then around page 2 is a 'vertical scaling' and 'horizontal scaling' setting |
| [10:25:29] | justinh: | turn them up a little, both by the same amount |
| [10:25:52] | justinh: | see, this is one reason why sometimes making the computer output fit the edges of the TV isn't always a great idea :P |
| [10:26:36] | shiznix: | hi, is there a workaround to stop 'Watch TV' from showing a black mouse cursor in the middle of the screen ? |
| [10:26:40] | xbmc: | scaling is curently on 0 on both vert and horizontal |
| [10:26:55] | xbmc: | range is from -100 to +100 % |
| [10:27:04] | shiznix: | enabling/disabling 'Utilities/Setup > Setup > Appearance > Next > Hide Mouse Cursor in MythTV' has no effect |
| [10:27:20] | justinh: | shiznix: AFAIK it has no effect til you restart mythfrontend |
| [10:27:30] | justinh: | xbmc: so try putting some numbers in then. sheesh |
| [10:27:42] | justinh: | they always default to zero |
| [10:27:45] | xbmc: | yeh I am thnaks justin |
| [10:27:46] | shiznix: | justinh: i see, thanks :) |
| [10:28:06] | justinh: | christ, whaddya have to do around here – come round to your place & do this ourselves?! |
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| [10:29:10] | Hoxzer: | hmmmm |
| [10:30:01] | xbmc: | beers on me justin |
| [10:30:33] | xbmc: | just a long drive probably |
| [10:30:58] | shiznix: | ok, 'Hide Mouse Cursor' does work once mythfrontend is restarted, but mouse cursor shows itself as soon as 'Watch TV' is launched |
| [10:31:06] | xbmc: | fixed thankyyou |
| [10:31:19] | justinh: | shiznix: then you've a problem with your window manager, or the lack of one |
| [10:31:22] | justinh: | xbmc: cool :) |
| [10:32:00] | justinh: | xbmc: I'm amazed the broadcasters are still relying on overscan to cover up junk they put out over the air. going digital should/could have put a stop to all that |
| [10:32:11] | shiznix: | for the record, i don't want or have any mouse devices configured in xorg.conf |
| [10:32:29] | xbmc: | well Im in australia and iwe may be a bit backward |
| [10:32:42] | shiznix: | mythtv requires a WM now ? |
| [10:32:59] | xbmc: | then unplug your mouse |
| [10:33:28] | justinh: | xbmc: pah anywhere which places leisure activity so high on its priorities is far from backwards IMHO |
| [10:33:33] | shiznix: | heheh, i don't have a mouse |
| [10:33:40] | shiznix: | i don't want a mouse |
| [10:33:49] | shiznix: | i don't have a mouse configured anywhere |
| [10:33:51] | justinh: | more to the point you can't really even use a mouse in mythtv |
| [10:33:54] | xbmc: | well sport is very impoartant you know |
| [10:33:57] | justinh: | not fully |
| [10:34:04] | justinh: | xbmc: who said anything about sport? meh |
| [10:34:05] | xbmc: | have to sahow rest of world how its done |
| [10:34:19] | shiznix: | yet i have this annoying mouse pointer |
| [10:34:29] | justinh: | I said leisure not physical exertion :P |
| [10:34:52] | xbmc: | liesure ... sport kinda same for the young and fit |
| [10:35:50] | xbmc: | shiznix sure its not a xmbc mouse pointer? |
| [10:36:27] | xbmc: | as they have bad habit of causing grief |
| [10:36:53] | justinh: | leisure is what happens when you're not at work. It doesn't have to involve physical activity :-D |
| [10:37:22] | xbmc: | true ... I m on a 36 hr week |
| [10:37:37] | shiznix: | xbmc: not an xbmc mouse pointer |
| [10:37:37] | xbmc: | rostered day off today |
| [10:37:53] | xbmc: | yesterday public hoilday |
| [10:37:59] | xbmc: | lifes tough |
| [10:38:21] | shiznix: | but i do see something called 'unclutter' which may or may not get rid of it |
| [10:38:26] | xbmc: | 4 day week end is nice |
| [10:38:43] | justinh: | what does an XBMC pointer setting have to do with mythtv though? |
| [10:39:20] | xbmc: | nothing justiinh it was a question of mine? |
| [10:39:55] | justinh: | reminds me I still need to extract the stupid ubuntu default devices out of xorg.conf |
| [10:40:05] | justinh: | who the hell owns a wacom tablet anyway? |
| [10:40:56] | xbmc: | text in osd does not fit what res is mythtv out off the box configed for? |
| [10:41:18] | xbmc: | or is simply guide datea provide to much info? |
| [10:41:22] | sid3windr: | justinh: my wife owns 2.. ;) |
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| [10:52:03] | justinh: | making text fit in all the boxes provided isn't easy |
| [10:52:22] | justinh: | you have to trade off between having text big enough to read & the amount of space you want to set aside onscreen :) |
| [10:52:39] | justinh: | sid3windr: I actually own one too, but making a touch tablet a default device is a bit backward IMHO |
| [10:53:11] | justinh: | since prolly about less than 1% of users will actually own/use one |
| [10:53:31] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [10:56:43] | k-man: | is there any .22 themes that work well for SD? |
| [10:57:04] | justinh: | s/is/are/ |
| [10:57:06] | justinh: | and no |
| [10:57:18] | justinh: | not IMHO |
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| [10:57:42] | k-man: | justinh: thanks for the correction |
| [10:57:55] | justinh: | if I liked horizontal menus I'd go for Metallurgy though |
| [10:58:13] | k-man: | ok, ill take a look at it |
| [10:58:37] | k-man: | thanks |
| [10:58:56] | justinh: | come to think, I don't think Terra has over-small text either |
| [10:59:03] | justinh: | but it's not 4:3 |
| [10:59:25] | k-man: | hmm.. metallurgy seems to be wider than 4:3 too |
| [11:00:06] | justinh: | heh I forget the rest of the world think SD has to be 4:3 |
| [11:00:22] | xbmc: | does mythbuntu diskless have native support for dvd drives on the cllients of do i have to do some magic |
| [11:00:37] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [11:00:55] | xbmc: | best for sd i would think would be mythcenter |
| [11:01:00] | k-man: | justinh: well, i guess i could have phrased my question better. i'm after a .22 4:3 SD theme |
| [11:01:01] | justinh: | I'd imagine optical drives just work out of the box like they do on everything else |
| [11:01:26] | justinh: | xbmc: pfft. can't wait to see that theme die a horrible death. |
| [11:01:46] | k-man: | xbmc: yeah, looks lime mythcenter has a 4:3 theme |
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| [11:01:58] | justinh: | mythcenter is NOT a true theme anyway |
| [11:02:10] | justinh: | all that was themed were the menus – little else |
| [11:02:17] | k-man: | oh |
| [11:02:26] | justinh: | so what you get is mostly default xml files |
| [11:02:57] | xbmc: | mythcenter should be default theme imho as you dont need opengl or anything for it to work fast |
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| [11:03:24] | xbmc: | its nice to get things working them stuff around with video drivers |
| [11:03:57] | k-man: | Project Grayhem seems quite ok |
| [11:04:24] | xbmc: | all other themes are like slow to operate and freeze up without opengl |
| [11:04:25] | gbee: | Project Grayhem no longer exists |
| [11:04:32] | k-man: | so can i upgrade to .22 even though i don't have an HDTV? |
| [11:04:38] | k-man: | gbee: it doesn't? |
| [11:04:44] | gbee: | and mythcenter isn't much more than a shell around the defaults |
| [11:04:50] | gbee: | k-man: nope |
| [11:05:02] | xbmc: | yes you can k-man |
| [11:05:13] | k-man: | gbee: ah, you might be right |
| [11:05:21] | k-man: | xbmc: and it will work? |
| [11:06:10] | xbmc: | you can run myyth on a p3 with 512 neg of ram on an ols crt tv if you want |
| [11:06:22] | xbmc: | old crt tv |
| [11:06:24] | gbee: | and everyone asked for Terra to be the default (wasn't my choice, nor my fault that it's fallen out of favour) |
| [11:06:48] | xbmc: | terra is the most horrid them ive ever seen |
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| [11:07:50] | gbee: | only 4:3 theme currently available for 0.22 is MythCenter, which as noted isn't so much a theme as a themed menu + fallback screens |
| [11:08:05] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o gbee | |
| [11:08:11] | shiznix: | yay me i fixed my mouse pointer problem |
| [11:08:11] | xbmc has been kicked from #mythtv-users by gbee!~gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust921.leic.cable.ntl.com (Goodbye!) | |
| [11:08:15] | shiznix: | unclutter didn't work |
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| [11:08:34] | shiznix: | but adding 'Option "HWCursor" "off"' to my xorg.conf did :D |
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| [11:09:53] | xbmc: | why the kick? |
| [11:10:23] | gbee: | you hurt my feelings, you heartless jerk |
| [11:10:31] | k-man: | hehe |
| [11:11:08] | sphex: | hey. anyone tried to run mythfrontend with a remote X server over the network? when I try this the video is choppy as hell, but that's with mythfrontend running on the backend host which is an old pentium 4. any chance that this could work well with a faster computer? |
| [11:11:56] | sphex: | that's with a cygwin X server BTW |
| [11:12:05] | k-man: | sphex: imho, no |
| [11:12:22] | sphex: | awh |
| [11:12:34] | xbmc: | uh ohh you had something to do with terra? wel then its really not that bad its just the default colour scheme can the colur be changed? |
| [11:12:52] | xbmc: | spex run a diskless client |
| [11:13:39] | justinh: | if some users were nicer & didn't send me hate mail in the past I might still have continued to develop my junk |
| [11:13:54] | sphex: | xbmc: mehh.. that means buying things.. :/ |
| [11:14:07] | xbmc: | no it dont? |
| [11:14:11] | xbmc: | what? |
| [11:14:17] | k-man: | justinh: sad to hear that |
| [11:14:24] | xbmc: | uthrow away your hdd |
| [11:14:26] | gbee: | Terra was meant to be a demo theme, an example of how different things could look vs the old UI, the colour was a deliberate choice (although I've come to hate it) because prior to that all themes for MythTV had been blue/black |
| [11:14:27] | justinh: | sphex: remote X server? like trying to send uncompressed video over a network? LOL |
| [11:14:29] | k-man: | why do people have that attitude? |
| [11:15:27] | justinh: | sphex: you do the sums! say 1280x1024 res, 32 bits colour, 60Hz ...1280x1024x32x60 bits per second... |
| [11:15:33] | sphex: | justinh: yeah. I thought gigabit ethernet might have been enough.. |
| [11:15:36] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:15:45] | gbee: | but since it was the _only_ theme to use the new UI code, I was asked to make it the default, in return I've got endless insults, so I'm not in a great mood :) |
| [11:15:51] | justinh: | now time to join the rest of us on Planet Earth :) |
| [11:16:03] | bjd: | for what it's worth, i like terra :) |
| [11:16:12] | xbmc: | when that colur comes up on the screeni just wanna hurl and go back to mythcentre beautiful blue.... |
| [11:16:24] | xbmc: | ready to be kicked.... |
| [11:16:45] | justinh: | terra was never one of the themes that makes me want to pull my eyeballs out. Oh god no. At least one of the competition entries made me feel that way :) |
| [11:17:07] | justinh: | just saying it's not to your (lack of) personal taste is nicer |
| [11:17:18] | gbee: | to be fair, I only tried it on my HD tv the other night and the colour looks nothing like it does on my monitors, clearly one or the other needs calibrating ... |
| [11:17:39] | xbmc: | spex with diskless you throw away hardware..... |
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| [11:17:53] | xbmc: | what could you need? |
| [11:18:56] | justinh: | I can't wait to get rid of glass-wide |
| [11:19:08] | xbmc: | gbee I admire you for having a crack.. I dont have the time to set up myth properly let alone design a theme... |
| [11:19:33] | sphex: | hrm. what about running mythfrontend in Linux in VirtualBox? that way it's compressed video over the network.. but then the bottleneck could be the emulator's video device.. |
| [11:19:45] | justinh: | sphex: what about NOT doing it because it's a stupid idea? |
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| [11:20:10] | xbmc: | spex if you have a MBE you simply boot your client and it works |
| [11:20:11] | sphex: | xbmc: hehehe.. right. :p well the thing is I'm trying to get mythfrontend on a windows computer. which needs a HDD a somewhat. |
| [11:20:24] | justinh: | pfft |
| [11:20:28] | justinh: | not necessarily |
| [11:20:52] | xbmc: | spex you press f11 during boot and it boot from back end |
| [11:20:53] | justinh: | it's possible to make a windows machine diskless too |
| [11:21:23] | sphex: | right ok. wouldn't help much with running mythfrontend on it though. |
| [11:21:32] | justinh: | arghhh our illustrious CEO wants a trailing USB socket on our diddy ickle DVR |
| [11:21:47] | justinh: | sphex: why does it have to be windows anyway? |
| [11:22:07] | xbmc: | spex all you do is boot from network and you have a completely functional linux pc wher you once sat playing with windows |
| [11:22:23] | xbmc: | switch off reboot woindows pc |
| [11:22:29] | xbmc: | easy |
| [11:22:32] | justinh: | if you really MUST run windows a reasonable halfway point would be to use XBMC as a myth frontend – if you're willing to miss some functionality |
| [11:22:48] | justinh: | prolly easier than trying to get a native windows mythfrontend to work |
| [11:23:56] | xbmc: | diskless or wubi i suppose if he love windows so much |
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| [11:24:22] | justinh: | bleh |
| [11:24:34] | justinh: | all the 'convenience' involved in rebooting. |
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| [11:25:07] | sphex: | xbmc: yeah.. I never liked rebooting so much. :p |
| [11:25:14] | xbmc: | painfull i suppose when windows take so long to boot.....lol |
| [11:25:52] | sphex: | justinh: ok, gonna check this out. thanks. |
| [11:27:46] | xbmc: | suggestion on a compact linux os to wakeonlan my MBE so I can reboot and start my diskless FE |
| [11:28:09] | xbmc: | wil a normal usb stick suffice? |
| [11:28:25] | xbmc: | or a cd be better |
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| [11:28:52] | sphex: | xbmc: BTW, I mostly need windows for games.. the rest I would prolly be fine with an emulator I guess. |
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| [11:29:20] | xbmc: | idea is to have network boot firrst boot preference and if it fail then boot from usb or cd |
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| [11:32:41] | xbmc: | suggestion on a compact linux os to wakeonlan my MBE so I can reboot and start my diskless FE |
| [11:32:47] | xbmc: | idea is to have network boot firrst boot preference and if it fail then boot from usb or cd |
| [11:32:57] | xbmc: | wil a normal usb stick suffice? |
| [11:33:03] | xbmc: | or a cd be better |
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| [11:49:39] | mzb: | xbmc: fwiw, one of the boxes I run trunk on is a cheap clone of an EPIA-M (ie: 1GHz) |
| [11:49:46] | sphex: | hrm. my mythbackend doesn't seem to like XBMC so much. "MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 40!" |
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| [11:51:18] | mzb: | _and_ I use blue-abstract-wide on it (4:3 @ 1024x768) |
| [11:51:23] | AndyCap: | sphex: you lag, you drag. |
| [11:52:02] | mzb: | mpeg2 playback gives ~60–70% idle |
| [11:52:41] | mzb: | (that's with PCI nVidia graphics as the onboard graphics doesn't have s-video) |
| [11:53:49] | mzb: | (and it's netboot/root) |
| [11:59:00] | mzb: | re: compact (ie: custom) OS, see http://live.debian.net/ |
| [11:59:04] | mzb: | apt-get install live-helper |
| [11:59:56] | mzb: | or live-magic if you like point-'n'-shoot solutions |
| [12:03:38] | xbmc: | mzb you suggestiing to me? |
| [12:03:55] | mzb: | is that what you're after? |
| [12:04:08] | mzb: | (yes) |
| [12:04:52] | mzb: | allows for netboot, usb and/or cd |
| [12:04:57] | xbmc: | yeah i need to wakeon lan my backend/server then reboot diskless |
| [12:05:25] | mzb: | so why do you need media to boot from? |
| [12:05:58] | mzb: | can't you send magic packets from windows and then reboot? |
| [12:06:06] | xbmc: | my backend server doesnot run 24/7 |
| [12:06:19] | xbmc: | only from say 4pm to midnight |
| [12:06:29] | mzb: | (might be easier if you had an openwrt router ;)) |
| [12:06:32] | xbmc: | unless torenting till miday |
| [12:07:11] | mzb: | uhuh ... send wakeonlan magic from windows (must be a utility somewhere) then reboot |
| [12:07:28] | xbmc: | hmm i have been thiunking if i had a router that could run linux it could wake my server |
| [12:07:33] | xbmc: | no not windows |
| [12:07:37] | xbmc: | errrr! |
| [12:08:03] | xbmc: | when my diskless client goes loking |
| [12:08:09] | mzb: | err ... I assumed you had a windows desktop and a mythtv MBE |
| [12:08:15] | xbmc: | looking for dhcp serrver |
| [12:08:20] | mzb: | (MBE on separate machine) |
| [12:08:28] | mzb: | right? |
| [12:08:32] | xbmc: | no i have diskless mythbuntu client |
| [12:08:42] | xbmc: | on an asrock ion |
| [12:08:55] | xbmc: | and a MBE/server in shed |
| [12:09:14] | xbmc: | server however does not run 24/7 |
| [12:09:58] | mzb: | so how about setting mythtv to control BIOS wakeup _and_ have wol? |
| [12:10:32] | xbmc: | mythtv cant run if its disk has no power |
| [12:10:58] | mzb: | so the nfs share for the diskless client is on the MBE? |
| [12:11:20] | xbmc: | yes cleint image is on mbe |
| [12:11:37] | xbmc: | no hdd in asrock frontend |
| [12:11:42] | xbmc: | soon! |
| [12:11:43] | mzb: | get yourself an openwrt router with a USB port |
| [12:12:18] | mzb: | a Netgear WGT634U (add a bigger heatsink) or an Asus WL500GP |
| [12:12:46] | mzb: | and make yourself a custom initrd which includes wol for the MBE, and a delay to wait for the rootfs |
| [12:13:00] | mzb: | but your images on a USB stick in the router |
| [12:13:04] | xbmc: | mzp I can make a cd with linus to boot if netboot fails wol dhcp(MBE) wait reboot frontend and irt can boot from back end |
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| [12:13:23] | mzb: | (I use old 32MB SD camera cards in SD/USB readers) |
| [12:13:35] | mzb: | messy |
| [12:13:57] | xbmc: | hwo long would a usb stick last |
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| [12:14:14] | xbmc: | it may only operate once a day |
| [12:14:14] | mzb: | longer than the box? ;) |
| [12:14:42] | mzb: | I've been using that single 32MB SD for years |
| [12:14:43] | xbmc: | so runing a small linux distro on a usb stick wont lkill it |
| [12:14:57] | mzb: | well ... you don't set it up like that |
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| [12:15:27] | mzb: | if all you wan't is a small (custom) "distro" then you essentially make a kernel and an initrd ... that's it |
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| [12:16:03] | mzb: | so when it boots from USB, it reads the kernel, reads the initrd and then executes (essentially) without writing to the USB stick |
| [12:16:12] | xbmc: | ok and have it wakeon lan MBE and wait a shortwhile then reboot |
| [12:16:46] | mzb: | yep ... or perhaps wait for a certain time and reboot if the nfs share becomes available |
| [12:17:32] | xbmc: | is there a way i coulkd have this smal os ping the MBE to test if its awake and up and runing? |
| [12:17:59] | xbmc: | yes what you just said.. my bad |
| [12:18:05] | mzb: | yep, scripts in the initrd |
| [12:18:19] | xbmc: | only 1 little probl;em now |
| [12:18:37] | mzb: | you don't need a "rootfs" as such ... it could all execute from the initrd (loaded in memory) |
| [12:18:45] | xbmc: | how to make a kernel aand that other thing.... |
| [12:18:47] | xbmc: | lol |
| [12:18:55] | mzb: | and it's more than just ping ... you wan't to make sure that the NFS is available |
| [12:19:08] | xbmc: | hmmm |
| [12:19:28] | mzb: | debian-live would make it all fairly easy ... although with that method you would have something a lot larger than you need |
| [12:19:57] | xbmc: | this kernal and initrd would boot very fast wouldnt it |
| [12:20:18] | xbmc: | arch? |
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| [12:20:36] | mzb: | you'll probably find the read speeds when booting from USB are quite slow |
| [12:21:01] | mzb: | but I doubt you'd really notice it |
| [12:21:17] | xbmc: | yes but still with so little to do it would only be say 20 seconds beofre it wols... |
| [12:21:26] | xbmc: | or fatsre |
| [12:22:02] | xbmc: | so i go steal a tomato? |
| [12:22:15] | xbmc: | and modify it? |
| [12:22:35] | mzb: | have a look at creating your own, or "remastering" ... all you'd need to do is write a small script which is executed from rc.local |
| [12:23:17] | xbmc: | rc.loacl was my starting point and a script |
| [12:23:25] | xbmc: | local sorry |
| [12:23:32] | mzb: | not the smallest solution, but probably the easiest |
| [12:23:52] | xbmc: | but do all distros have rc.loca? |
| [12:24:14] | mzb: | no |
| [12:24:41] | mzb: | there is tiny linux (5MB?) but you'll probably find that harder to work with. Also T2. |
| [12:25:03] | xbmc: | that sounds good |
| [12:25:07] | mzb: | but if you've already played with mythbuntu I suggest you try live-helper |
| [12:25:17] | xbmc: | not that much to so sh shouldnt be that bad... |
| [12:25:42] | xbmc: | ok live helper wil have a look |
| [12:25:50] | mzb: | much easier to get various things talking in the same language if you use a similar/same distro |
| [12:25:52] | xbmc: | thanks very much |
| [12:25:54] | justinh: | I used mythbuntu for my diskless FE. It's a lot less like mythbuntu though :) |
| [12:25:56] | mzb: | (eg: nfs) |
| [12:26:01] | justinh: | since I got my hands on it I mean :D |
| [12:26:07] | mzb: | :) |
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| [12:26:55] | mzb: | I'm still happy with Lenny on my mythboxen |
| [12:27:11] | xbmc: | i have mythbuntu server and diskless cliient front ends |
| [12:27:25] | xbmc: | mythbuntu clinets |
| [12:27:37] | xbmc: | my spelling is hsite tonight |
| [12:27:57] | mzb: | drink milk instead of wine? ;) |
| [12:29:33] | xbmc: | mzb live helper ? is it called debian live helper? |
| [12:29:46] | mzb: | yep |
| [12:29:49] | mzb: | iirc |
| [12:30:01] | xbmc: | got in in goolge thanks |
| [12:30:24] | mzb: | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| [12:33:45] | mzb: | $ apt-cache search live-helper |
| [12:35:49] | xbmc: | thanks again mzb bed time for me now.... |
| [12:36:12] | mzb: | k, gnite |
| [12:37:05] | xbmc: | night! |
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| [13:04:26] | justinh: | sphex: you know why? XBMC doesn't truly know what protocol version to speak – rather it's not hard-coded as a true frontend is, so it guesses until the backend gives it the ok |
| [13:04:47] | justinh: | it's a bit messy but apparently works |
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| [13:08:19] | clever: | mzb: with my own bootable usb stick it usualy takes under 30 seconds to reach rc.local |
| [13:08:39] | justinh: | about what my diskless FE takes :) |
| [13:08:51] | mzb: | yep ... like I said ;) |
| [13:09:14] | clever: | my nfs booting systems are all ubuntu, so they have extra bloat that gentoo never had to start with |
| [13:09:47] | mzb: | either way, loading the kernel+initrd are quite slow (I think it's to do with lack of "USB2" smarts in the bootloader) |
| [13:10:16] | clever: | i dont think grub even supports usb at all, i think its the 'usb emulation' in the bios |
| [13:10:20] | justinh: | I dunno how much whizz-bang the next ubuntu release is gonna be |
| [13:10:39] | justinh: | some blogs I've seen quote stupidly fast boot times |
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| [13:12:11] | clever: | ubuntu nfs booting took ~88–255 seconds to hit rc.local (its all over the place) |
| [13:12:50] | justinh: | heh. it wasn't so hot til I got my hands on it either |
| [13:13:00] | justinh: | I did some.. modifying :) |
| [13:14:06] | clever: | forgot, the usb doesnt log that yet |
| [13:16:47] | justinh: | pfff I've got to find a USB mini 'B' to 'A' socket lead |
| [13:17:38] | justinh: | stupid PHB says it's got to be a trailing socket hanging out of the unit on a captive cable :-\ |
| [13:28:02] | justinh: | heh mini 'b' plug (right angled) to 'A' socket. Yeah good luck with that |
| [13:32:09] | clever: | got one of those right angled ones |
| [13:32:15] | clever: | it came with our GPS |
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| [13:39:11] | sphex: | justinh: ok, yeah, makes sense since apparently that wasn't the problem. the problem was that I'm a dumbass and had my "backend addresses" set to localhost. anyway, works now! |
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| [14:04:46] | justinh: | clever: oh I know you can buy ready made cables with right angle mini 'B' plugs. We use em here |
| [14:04:56] | justinh: | and right angled 'A' plugs.. |
| [14:05:19] | justinh: | but a right angled mini 'B' plug to 'A' socket... stretching things a bit |
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| [14:05:46] | justinh: | the best part is it has to fit through a hole in a front panel |
| [14:05:59] | justinh: | I'll have to use my shrinking machine |
| [14:06:42] | mag0o: | picket knife + electrical tape |
| [14:06:57] | justinh: | no cable joins allowed |
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| [14:09:23] | justinh: | sorry, did I just pour cold water on your idea? ;-) this guy needs a hard smack in the chops |
| [14:11:20] | mag0o: | drill bit just a little bigger than the plug + front hole panel :) |
| [14:12:06] | justinh: | nope, not enough room |
| [14:12:17] | justinh: | you're underestimating the PHB's fail |
| [14:13:12] | mag0o: | hehe |
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| [14:13:38] | justinh: | my boss already suggested the best way to the PHB. i.e. to fit a panel mounted socket. but no |
| [14:14:01] | Dibblah: | You need a rubber insert. |
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| [14:14:25] | toxster: | hi, is there any way of distributing commflagging? i.e run it on the frontend |
| [14:14:31] | justinh: | Dibblah: not enough room for one of the required diameter |
| [14:14:54] | justinh: | toxster: yeah run a slave tunerless backend on the frontend machine. like it says in the wiki/docs |
| [14:14:57] | Dibblah: | justinh: I think you misunderstood my suggestion. http://theballwhisk.files.wordpress.com/2007/ . . . -webbing.jpg |
| [14:15:16] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:15:33] | justinh: | polythene bag, zip ties... |
| [14:15:41] | justinh: | and a lorryload of concrete |
| [14:16:14] | toxster: | ahh sweet |
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| [14:16:40] | justinh: | toxster: it won't distribute commflagging jobs as such though. still only one job per host |
| [14:17:01] | justinh: | or X jobs per host at a time, not one job split across yay many hosts |
| [14:18:28] | toxster: | ok, so i can set simul jobs to 0 on my master and have the slave run all jobs? |
| [14:18:36] | toxster: | for instance |
| [14:18:40] | justinh: | yup |
| [14:18:46] | clever: | toxster: thats exactly what i do |
| [14:19:02] | toxster: | does it put the job on the master as "first" node to start a job? |
| [14:19:05] | justinh: | not that commflagging is even worth a light where I live |
| [14:19:09] | toxster: | if i have 1 on the master |
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| [14:19:53] | toxster: | i have a commflag running not @ 3.888fps, normal ? |
| [14:19:56] | toxster: | (its HD) |
| [14:20:04] | toxster: | s/not/now |
| [14:20:17] | clever: | each backend checks every 60 seconds (by default) and whichever one finds the job first, gets to run it |
| [14:20:22] | iamlindoro: | Depending on bitrate, codec, and the box that's running it, could be perfectly normal |
| [14:20:41] | justinh: | and good luck getting commflagging to work much in Europe |
| [14:20:50] | justinh: | YMMV |
| [14:21:11] | toxster: | really? I ran it a while ago when I used analog tv, worked flawless |
| [14:21:29] | justinh: | depends how the commercials are broadcast |
| [14:21:39] | toxster: | myth 0.20 if i remember correctly |
| [14:21:47] | justinh: | in the UK it fails for the vast majority of channels |
| [14:21:59] | toxster: | :/ |
| [14:22:25] | justinh: | confuses the detection algorithms :) |
| [14:22:43] | justinh: | I very much doubt it's deliberate |
| [14:23:24] | toxster: | hmm what table does it store the cuts in i have one job thats finished |
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| [14:23:45] | clever: | toxster: recordedmarkup i think |
| [14:23:46] | toxster: | i doubt .se should be any different from the uk? |
| [14:23:56] | squidly: | morning |
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| [14:24:10] | Dibblah: | Every countries ads are different. |
| [14:24:18] | justinh: | toxster: you'd be surprised |
| [14:24:27] | justinh: | I've seen Spanish TV |
| [14:24:35] | justinh: | <shudder> |
| [14:24:56] | toxster: | 27 rows in set (0.01 sec) |
| [14:25:12] | clever: | toxster: its keyed by starttime and chanid |
| [14:26:07] | toxster: | it seems to have found something, gotta check when i get back home |
| [14:26:35] | justinh: | all bets are off :) |
| [14:26:45] | toxster: | :) |
| [14:26:52] | justinh: | I never said commflagging didn't 'find' ad breaks over here |
| [14:27:04] | justinh: | it does, sure. but generally in all the wrong places |
| [14:27:39] | justinh: | stuff like logo detection works brilliantly where there's not much screen junk – assuming the logo is taken off for the breaks |
| [14:27:51] | justinh: | that accounts for maybe 10% of UK TV channels |
| [14:28:16] | justinh: | aspect ratio changes would be flawless too, but then there's not much of that going on either |
| [14:29:00] | justinh: | thankfully a lot of our breaks are consistent lengths so we can set up playback profiles to jump by just the right amount when we hit a button :) |
| [14:35:11] | toxster: | hehe |
| [14:35:17] | toxster: | that another way of solving it |
| [14:36:22] | justinh: | at least mythtv has arbitrary relative skipping :) |
| [14:36:43] | justinh: | the *only* media software which does AFAIK |
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| [14:58:17] | andreax: | Okay i shooted the problem from yesterday with sudo in mythfrontend/welcome. I typed in all halt commands in sudo, except "poweroff" – now its working. Thanks to sphery again. :) |
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| [15:03:33] | benomatic: | so i'm moving from the US -> Netherlands in a couple months... I currently run a single hauppauge hvr-1600. anybody have a clue whether this will work there or whether I need new hardware? |
| [15:04:51] | iamlindoro: | It will not work there, you will need new hardware |
| [15:05:08] | iamlindoro: | US uses ATSC/NTSC, europe uses DVB-T/PAL |
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| [15:06:32] | benomatic: | iamlindoro: suggestions on where to start, afa understanding what i can use? i'm completely ign'ant about digital/cable standards + hw. |
| [15:07:35] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices will give you a list of supported terrestrial (antenna) devices, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_Devices and http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2_Devices to use satellite |
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| [15:08:20] | iamlindoro: | http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/netherlands/ for general info on DVB in the Netherlands |
| [15:08:30] | benomatic: | gracias. my biggest problem has been that nearly all pages i've foudn are in dutch... which i don't (yet) speak. |
| [15:08:51] | iamlindoro: | Find a nice dutch girl to motivate you |
| [15:09:38] | iamlindoro: | It's germanic so as a speaker of english you'll pick it up quick |
| [15:09:47] | iamlindoro: | but that's neither here nor there, I guess :) |
| [15:10:26] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: Ping |
| [15:11:10] | benomatic: | iamlindoro: hopefully so, as to picking it up. although my adorable wife might object to some kinds of lessons :) |
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| [15:11:45] | iamlindoro: | Tell her it's how the europeans are, and that the other guys will laugh at you if you don't have a mistress |
| [15:11:48] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [15:12:04] | andreax: | Dutch is a funny language. Both our countries are neighbours (im from germany) but i dont speak any word dutch... :) |
| [15:12:35] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: hum? |
| [15:12:43] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4426 you? |
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| [15:13:06] | anykey_: | yeah |
| [15:13:36] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: Can you check out http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7923 please? I suspect that's a dupe, but the later ticket actually appears to have a solution |
| [15:14:13] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: no sorry, I no longer have the card and the CI :( |
| [15:14:21] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: ok, no worries |
| [15:15:09] | anykey_: | I needed a solution right back then and went the grey way, so... |
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| [15:27:22] | justinh: | thewhatwaynow? :-O |
| [15:28:22] | anykey_: | justinh: the softcam-way, with a patch to disable the load-keys-from-file feature |
| [15:28:49] | justinh: | seems all-white to me, that |
| [15:29:29] | anykey_: | well, the CA-systems certainly are protected by many many patents ;) |
| [15:29:39] | justinh: | well, looks like home time at this side. ttfn etc |
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| [16:20:33] | rkuris: | justinh: There have been recent fixes in commercial detection in 0.22; I had to upgrade to svn r23670 to fix it for any of my highdef programs |
| [16:21:24] | rkuris: | justinh: This was probably fixed by one or more of revisions 23514, 23515 and 23527. |
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| [16:22:08] | iamlindoro: | rkuris: He's not referring to any recent bug |
| [16:22:30] | iamlindoro: | He's referring to the fact that the editing of UK broadcasts make out commercial flagging methods useless/error-prone |
| [16:22:34] | iamlindoro: | s/out/our/ |
| [16:23:11] | jarle: | By a mistake I ran mythrename.pl and now a lot of my recordings have problems playing back as the filename contains non-english chars, is there a tool I can use to rename the files back to the original myth-way? |
| [16:24:47] | wagnerrp: | 'mythrename.pl --rename' or something like that |
| [16:24:57] | wagnerrp: | theres some argument you can give it to rename them back to stock |
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| [16:26:03] | jarle: | wagnerrp: google tolde me: mythrename.pl --format "%c_%Y%m%d%i%s" |
| [16:26:50] | wagnerrp: | no, theres something easier than that |
| [16:27:47] | jarle: | seems like other people had the same problem as me: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/406871 |
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| [16:28:54] | wagnerrp: | anyway, mythlink will do --rename |
| [16:29:03] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was old mythrename behavior too |
| [16:30:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it exists in the old version too |
| [16:31:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe not... |
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| [16:58:49] | jarle: | is there any reason NOT to use mythlink.pl with 0.22-fixes? |
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| [16:59:27] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [16:59:37] | jarle: | iamlindoro: good |
| [16:59:42] | iamlindoro: | :) |
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| [17:00:07] | jarle: | iamlindoro: allways afraid to mess up the db :) |
| [17:00:37] | wagnerrp: | there really havent been many database changes that could cause things to be messed up |
| [17:00:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe there have been any regarding the recording tables |
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| [17:53:50] | justinh: | is it just me or is there something wrong with mythweb's stats page? |
| [17:54:18] | justinh: | soaps are easily the most recorded shows in this house & yet they don't figure in the top 10 recorded shows |
| [17:55:03] | justinh: | hmm maybe it's cos I cleared out oldrecorded a while back |
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| [17:57:04] | wagnerrp: | working fine for me |
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| [17:59:48] | justinh: | heh Total Running Time: 4 years 2 months 9 days 23 hrs 46 mins |
| [17:59:49] | justinh: | Total Recorded: 8 months 23 days 12 hrs 57 mins |
| [18:00:40] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, gestational period of one (1) human |
| [18:03:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:03:24] | clever: | Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=56, backend=45) |
| [18:03:31] | clever: | dang, i need to upgrade my backend |
| [18:03:36] | clever: | or downgrade web |
| [18:03:46] | wagnerrp: | isnt 45 pre-22? |
| [18:03:56] | justinh: | you should know that kind of stuff by now without needing a plugin to tell you |
| [18:04:06] | clever: | 0.22.20090424–2 20684M trunk |
| [18:04:45] | wagnerrp: | sounds about release |
| [18:06:03] | clever: | was there a page explaining how to work around the alsa problems? |
| [18:06:23] | wagnerrp: | which would be? |
| [18:06:36] | clever: | the alsa libs on ubuntu are too old for mythtv to compile |
| [18:08:01] | wagnerrp: | how old of ubuntu are you running? |
| [18:08:15] | clever: | 8.04 |
| [18:08:28] | iamlindoro: | I will rue the day that we need a page with "workarounds" for the issue of needing the dependencies installed |
| [18:08:33] | iamlindoro: | oh for crying out loud |
| [18:09:04] | clever: | it was something about how to install the latest alsa libs without updating the entire kernel |
| [18:09:06] | iamlindoro: | compile your own alsa, upgrade to something newer than 24 months old, or at the very least stop talking before I ban you |
| [18:09:33] | iamlindoro: | *** FLAGRANT ABUSE OF POWER PENDING *** |
| [18:09:37] | clever: | ok, something 23 months old? :P, which version does it need to be? |
| [18:09:54] | iamlindoro: | You're compiling trunk, read the commint message that made it q requirement |
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| [18:10:09] | iamlindoro: | I'll even give you a hint that it occurred in the last two weeks |
| [18:10:21] | clever: | ive had this problem for over 2 weeks |
| [18:10:22] | iamlindoro: | s/commint/commit/ |
| [18:10:35] | iamlindoro: | Yes, but the check in configure is less than two weeks old |
| [18:10:37] | wagnerrp: | the problem has existed for some time |
| [18:10:42] | wagnerrp: | ^^ |
| [18:11:49] | wagnerrp: | wait... did you say yesterday that xbmc now requires opengl 2.0 to run? |
| [18:12:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [18:12:25] | ** iamlindoro suspects he knows the next question ** | |
| [18:12:35] | iamlindoro: | They don't support it any more |
| [18:12:47] | wagnerrp: | and so theres a guy in here _named_ xbmc this morning.... claiming mythcenter should be the default theme since its the only one that runs well without opengl |
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| [18:12:59] | iamlindoro: | Ah, wasn't the question I expected :) |
| [18:13:10] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I read the scrollback, that guy was a dillweed |
| [18:13:27] | iamlindoro: | I expected "how can it work on an original xbox" |
| [18:14:08] | j-rod: | RDV_Linux: I'm apparently stupid, or missing something in the mythnetvision fedora package deps... |
| [18:14:11] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=XBMC_for_Linux_sp . . . _for_XBMC.3F |
| [18:14:19] | j-rod: | finally trying to make it work on a box at home |
| [18:14:21] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: So I guess 1.3 + GLSL support will work |
| [18:14:24] | wagnerrp: | 'xbmc> Terra sucks!'... 'xbmc has been kicked'... 'xbmc> Terra is not so bad' |
| [18:14:25] | wagnerrp: | HAH |
| [18:14:36] | iamlindoro: | heh, yeah |
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| [18:14:44] | clever: | found it |
| [18:15:11] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: What is your issue? |
| [18:15:37] | ** iamlindoro doesn't mind pawning support off on RDV_Linux, but feels he may have some familiarity with it on account of having written it :) ** | |
| [18:15:42] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: http://fpaste.org/Az6Q/ |
| [18:16:02] | RDV_Linux: | j-rod: Am also looking;) |
| [18:16:09] | j-rod: | python-pycurl and MySQL-python both installed |
| [18:16:18] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Do you have the new bindings installed? |
| [18:16:19] | wagnerrp: | 'i admire you for having a crack'... i cant fathom what that is supposed to mean |
| [18:16:31] | wagnerrp: | specifically something in the last month or so |
| [18:16:53] | ** wagnerrp cant remember when the tmdb stuff got shifted over ** | |
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| [18:17:14] | j-rod: | oh hell. I suck. |
| [18:17:31] | j-rod: | I have the python bindings installed on my backend, but not on the frontend where I'm actually trying to run it. |
| [18:17:37] | ** j-rod hangs head in shame ** | |
| [18:17:41] | iamlindoro: | !trout j-rod documentation reading fail |
| [18:17:41] | ** MythLogBot slaps j-rod with a documentation reading fail trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [18:17:44] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:17:52] | j-rod: | so the python bindings should probably be a dep of the mythnetvision package, no? |
| [18:18:05] | RDV_Linux: | j-rod: Are you using the very latest MNV? That is usually a misleading message for a MythDB connection issue. I think the message has been fixed with the last MNV commit. |
| [18:18:07] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [18:18:08] | wagnerrp: | if they are a separate package, and not included in mythtv proper... yes |
| [18:18:32] | wagnerrp: | they should be a dep for both MV and MNV now |
| [18:18:37] | wagnerrp: | as grabber scripts in both use them |
| [18:18:53] | j-rod: | yeah, much better now. okay, I'll update the package deps. |
| [18:19:48] | iamlindoro: | nice, glad it was simple |
| [18:20:30] | j-rod: | likewise |
| [18:20:46] | RDV_Linux: | j-rod: Can I mark you down for helping with a Fedora package for the next MNV utility? It is not ready yet but will be within a month for experimental testers. At least could I ask you questions? |
| [18:21:00] | j-rod: | RDV_Linux: absolutely |
| [18:21:16] | RDV_Linux: | Ok you are now on my list;) thanks |
| [18:21:16] | ** iamlindoro is going to have to devote some real attention to MNV again if we ever manage to get this release out ** | |
| [18:21:58] | j-rod: | the espn360 rss feed is fail |
| [18:22:20] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: it only seemed to link me back to the main page whenever i tried it |
| [18:22:24] | j-rod: | tells you 'hey, you can watch this prog', but they all link back to the main UI |
| [18:22:34] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: heh, yep, exactly what I saw |
| [18:23:16] | j-rod: | plus, it uses the move networks player, not flash |
| [18:23:47] | iamlindoro: | In my fantasy land I would really love to be able to do what boxee does with this content |
| [18:23:55] | j-rod: | flash for the ui to get to the videos, but needs the additional plugin to actually play the videos. |
| [18:24:07] | j-rod: | I haven't looked at boxee in a while |
| [18:24:12] | iamlindoro: | namely, it pulls in a "control file" in javascript from boxee's servers that wraps their player controls around the flash ones |
| [18:24:26] | iamlindoro: | so that play/stop/ffwd all work where applicable |
| [18:24:33] | j-rod: | ah, yeah, that would be nice |
| [18:24:47] | iamlindoro: | I would need to collaborate with paul-h on that one, though, as I truly don't know where to begin-- web stuff is far from my strength |
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| [18:25:42] | wagnerrp: | should just be able to pull that from the grabber, rather than continually hitting services.... |
| [18:25:59] | wagnerrp: | ... or do you want it pulling off the server so people dont have to update things when sites change? |
| [18:26:37] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [18:26:43] | iamlindoro: | They go one further, in fact |
| [18:27:00] | iamlindoro: | where we parse the data locally on each box, they do all the parsing and boxee headquarters, and push the library to people |
| [18:27:12] | iamlindoro: | er parsing at |
| [18:27:44] | wagnerrp: | well that would depend on the TOS i suppose |
| [18:28:04] | iamlindoro: | I don't think they care :) |
| [18:28:13] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [18:28:19] | iamlindoro: | Their cotent metadata/etc. is clearly scraped in violation of many TOS |
| [18:28:32] | iamlindoro: | er content |
| [18:28:49] | wagnerrp: | wasnt there some form of localization in the youtube data as well? |
| [18:29:07] | iamlindoro: | They explain away the hulu stuff as "but we run it in a browser!" conveniently ignoring the other violation by stealing the textual info |
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| [18:29:40] | iamlindoro: | youtube data has a couple locale things-- MNV doesn't really use it yet, though I've done rudimentary parsing work for language |
| [18:29:42] | justinh: | gah my notebook's LCD inverter is going dodgy |
| [18:30:12] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i started losing the ballast in my primary monitor a couple months ago |
| [18:30:15] | justinh: | hope it's not the inductors |
| [18:30:20] | wagnerrp: | takes a good 30 seconds to 'warm up' in the morning |
| [18:30:26] | justinh: | seems like a light tap can fix it |
| [18:31:52] | jarle: | does mythtv use other suffixes for videos than .mpg and .nuv? |
| [18:32:06] | justinh: | nope |
| [18:32:08] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, not that i know of |
| [18:32:30] | wagnerrp: | do hdpvr stuff come out as mpg or ts? |
| [18:33:53] | justinh: | probably saved as .mpg though |
| [18:33:55] | jarle: | so... how do I regex match all files NOT starting with a number? |
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| [18:34:05] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [18:34:37] | iamlindoro: | yeah. HD-PVR is ts as .mpg |
| [18:35:10] | jarle: | deleting all the .png created for files that does not exist anymore (after running mythlink.pl --rename) |
| [18:35:34] | justinh: | hmm cos pngs take up so much room :) |
| [18:35:58] | wagnerrp: | '\w+.*.png'? |
| [18:36:10] | kormoc: | jarle: [a-zA-Z]* |
| [18:36:13] | wagnerrp: | only matches stuff that starts with a character |
| [18:36:40] | sphery: | or rm *.png and let the backend recreate the thumbs |
| [18:36:48] | jarle: | kormoc: this is the opposite of what I need... |
| [18:36:51] | sphery: | just don't forget the ".png" on that one ! |
| [18:36:52] | wagnerrp: | no, nevermind |
| [18:36:58] | wagnerrp: | \w matches numbers too |
| [18:37:03] | kormoc: | <jarle> so... how do I regex match all files NOT starting with a number? |
| [18:37:13] | sphery: | rm *.png |
| [18:37:16] | kormoc: | [a-zA-Z]* does that |
| [18:37:25] | jarle: | kormoc: you are correct :) |
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| [18:37:31] | sphery: | why waste time trying to delete only the ones you don't need when the ones you do need will be recreated |
| [18:37:40] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it should match everything shouldnt it? since '*' matches zero instances |
| [18:38:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: not with bash iirc |
| [18:38:03] | sphery: | the * isn't applied to the match |
| [18:38:19] | sphery: | only after, so one latin alphanumeric character followed by anything |
| [18:38:23] | kormoc: | yup |
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| [18:38:28] | sphery: | still, though, the /best/ solution is rm *.png |
| [18:38:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just let mythtv regenerate them as needed |
| [18:38:44] | sphery: | then go to watch recordings and see the magic of the appearing previews |
| [18:38:51] | justinh: | I still wish thumbs were never created at all :) |
| [18:38:59] | sphery: | it's much easier to mistype when you try to get fancy |
| [18:39:23] | sphery: | and rm [a-zA-Z] * is a /bad/ typo |
| [18:39:28] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [18:39:40] | kormoc: | so is rm * .png ;) |
| [18:39:45] | sphery: | true |
| [18:39:50] | sphery: | someone on the list did that oen |
| [18:40:01] | wagnerrp: | but at least it will warn you that '.png' was not found |
| [18:40:19] | sphery: | kormoc: feel like fixing an issue with the error page (I think the one that gives us 90% of our incomprehensible MythWeb tickets) |
| [18:40:38] | Jay2k1: | Hello. I still have the problem that I can't scan for channels with my hauppauge PVR-350. The scan screen appears and then nothing more happens, it says "scanning europe-west E0 no lock". Does that sound familiar to anyone? |
| [18:40:54] | wagnerrp: | are you running 0.22? |
| [18:40:55] | kormoc: | DELETE FROM oldrecord WHERE (oldrecord.starttime, oldrecord.chanid) = (SELECT starttime, chanid FROM recorded); is awesome to fix that rm * issue |
| [18:40:57] | justinh: | Jay2k1: analogue scanning won't work in 0.22 |
| [18:41:00] | kormoc: | sphery: sure, what's up? |
| [18:41:19] | wagnerrp: | nor will analog scanning |
| [18:41:29] | kormoc: | (with a truncate recorded; as well) |
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| [18:42:02] | sphery: | Remember the "Failed opening required 'modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php'" error (with the tmpl/tmpl that users are always complaining about)? I accidentally repro'd it last night. |
| [18:42:10] | kormoc: | yeah? |
| [18:42:16] | sphery: | It only happens when there's no DB or the DB info in the apache config is wrong. (forgot to restore my DB before I started up) |
| [18:42:23] | Jay2k1: | justinh: because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/478048& nbsp;? |
| [18:42:24] | sphery: | I have a patch that fixes the double tmpl |
| [18:42:36] | sphery: | but it then gives "SQL Error: Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist [#1146] in /srv/www/htdocs/myth/classes/Database/Query/mysql.php on line 83" |
| [18:42:40] | sphery: | and I couldn't figure that one out |
| [18:42:45] | justinh: | Jay2k1: no, it just doesn't work. nothing to do with ubuntu |
| [18:42:57] | wagnerrp: | Jay2k1: no, because the scanner was rewritten prior to 0.22, and analog scanning suffered a regression |
| [18:43:01] | kormoc: | gotcha, I'll look into that one |
| [18:43:01] | wagnerrp: | it has since been fixed in trunk |
| [18:43:26] | wagnerrp: | so either upgrade to trunk and scan, wait a few weeks and upgrade to 0.23, or add the channels manually |
| [18:43:33] | justinh: | the button was disabled but that didn't prevent the scanner being invoked elsewhere |
| [18:43:39] | Jay2k1: | ah i see |
| [18:43:48] | pjcrux|DT: | hello all, I seem to have a problem with my mythtv recording settings. I can set a recording but it will not hold. Also mythtv does not display the previously recorded programs. Everything was ok till I ran a mythfilldatabase and the mythfilldatabase hung for over an hour I had to exit my putty session and reboot the machine. Any thoughts? |
| [18:44:04] | Jay2k1: | well then.. thanks anyway :) |
| [18:44:13] | wagnerrp: | pjcrux|DT: sounds like a database crash |
| [18:44:28] | wagnerrp: | see mysql instructions on recovering the database |
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| [18:44:39] | pjcrux|DT: | wagnerrp: ok thanks |
| [18:45:46] | justinh: | wow. my hatred of ubuntu just deepened some more :) |
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| [18:46:32] | wagnerrp: | how is that? |
| [18:47:04] | justinh: | stupid libata version I've got here. won't let me change dma modes |
| [18:47:14] | justinh: | inappropriate ioctl for device yada yada |
| [18:47:22] | wagnerrp: | still on that? |
| [18:47:47] | justinh: | need to either have a major kernel change, swap distro or move hardware to get round it I think |
| [18:48:32] | sphery: | kormoc: here's the patch I used to fix the double tmpl (but there's probably a more correct fix) -> http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweb-fix_error_page.patch (looks like the tmpl is missing a $ ?). Note, also, that if there's no database at all, you get the nice error message in the browser window. If there's a completely empty mythconverg DB, you get the error message in the Apache error log. |
| [18:48:44] | sphery: | want me to put this info in a ticket for you? |
| [18:49:15] | kormoc: | Sure, and it's not missing a $, it's a define(), but if it's not defined yet (missing db would do that), php treats it as a string |
| [18:49:38] | kormoc: | but yeah, your code is very close :) |
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| [18:50:17] | sphery: | yeah, figured there was more to it than I understood, but at least it found where the issue is. |
| [18:50:52] | sphery: | also, for the manual schedule page, I came up with http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweb-7 . . . t_date.patch for the description, but I don't k |
| [18:50:56] | sphery: | now how to get the initial/default translation, so I get a "!!NoTrans:" warning. |
| [18:51:22] | sphery: | want it in 7057 ticket or would you rather teach me how to start the translation :) |
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| [18:52:24] | kormoc: | so cd into modules/_shared/translations and run build_translations.pl and that's pretty much it :) |
| [18:52:25] | sphery: | oh, also, if it's hard for you to test a missing or empty database, let me know--I can do the testing easily |
| [18:52:33] | sphery: | nice... :) |
| [18:52:40] | kormoc: | kk |
| [18:54:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: So, regarding that patch--it adds one new translatable string to MythWeb. Think it's best to hold it 'til after release (since all the translators just finished)? I don't think it's really that important, so waiting isn't a problem IMHO. |
| [18:54:17] | slipcon: | sphery: have some time to help with the database corruption we were emailing about last night? |
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| [18:54:26] | sphery: | slipcon: cool, you're here |
| [18:54:43] | sphery: | slipcon: yeah, perfect time--I just dropped my DB to redo the tests for explaining the issue I found to kormoc ! |
| [18:55:10] | sphery: | got a link to a right-now DB? Feel free to PM it to me to keep it out of channel (and away from web crawlers) |
| [18:55:36] | sphery: | I was afraid I missed you earlier, so I'm glad you're here, now. |
| [18:55:37] | slipcon: | sure let me upload it |
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| [18:57:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Meh, probably not that big a deal, but no strong feelings either way |
| [18:58:11] | sphery: | ok, thanks for the input |
| [18:58:46] | sphery: | I may hold it, anyway. It does uglify the nice pretty page we currently have. |
| [18:59:45] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I think holding it is probably good |
| [18:59:57] | iamlindoro: | then we can sweep through early in the .24 cycle and clean up stuff like that |
| [19:01:51] | sphery: | yeah, plus someone else may come up with a way to a) show the start date only for single and weekly manual records and b) show a 5 weekdays/7 days per week radio button group only for daily manual records |
| [19:02:08] | sphery: | so, maybe the users will never see the ugly version I did :) |
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| [19:03:53] | sphery: | slipcon: that one upgrades just fine for me, too |
| [19:04:07] | sphery: | slipcon: are you using current 0.22-fixes? |
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| [19:04:40] | Little_Ted: | hello mythtv, can I ask someone some basic questions about configuration here? |
| [19:04:49] | justinh: | Little_Ted: just ask. don't ask to ask |
| [19:05:05] | slipcon: | i'm using what gentoo has.... 0.22_p23069 |
| [19:06:08] | sphery: | r23069, should be recent enough that it's not a problem in the upgrade (and, really, the only problem was in the upgrade test and only with the people table) |
| [19:06:29] | sphery: | any chance you feel like running current trunk? |
| [19:06:38] | sphery: | If so, I can just give you the upgraded DB. |
| [19:06:53] | sphery: | If not, I'd have to compile and install -fixes to get you an upgraded DB |
| [19:07:03] | slipcon: | I'd rather stick with the gentoo packages to make life easier down the line, if possible. |
| [19:07:06] | sphery: | or would need access to your system (an ssh or something) |
| [19:07:25] | Little_Ted: | okay. I have bought a HTPC for my father and he is very eager to have a PVR system, and he has been using an xbox running XBMC for a couple of years so is used to the interface. I have no experience in Linux and there seems to be many options, so I was wondering a) if it is possible to install some system that can boot into XBMC by default and utlise MythTV and b) what is the least... |
| [19:07:27] | Little_Ted: | ...challenging method of doing this? |
| [19:07:39] | slipcon: | when you say it upgrades fine are you doing a full upgrade or the partial? |
| [19:07:55] | sphery: | the partial after the partial-corruption fix |
| [19:08:00] | sphery: | the initial DB fails upgrade |
| [19:08:12] | wagnerrp: | Little_Ted: you have two options, neither of which are particularly good |
| [19:08:32] | wagnerrp: | you can set up mythbackend, and continue running XBMC using the mythbox plugin to access the backend |
| [19:09:01] | slipcon: | ok.... in one ofthe mailing lists I found a perl script that checks 4 tables, the people table has a lot of warnings, as does oldprogram, but recorded and oldrecorded each have 1. |
| [19:09:06] | sphery: | slipcon: let's try this... Download the current mythconverg_restore.pl and see if it works properly with that (it's possible that you have an old version)... Actually, what does mythconverg_restore.pl --version give? |
| [19:09:11] | wagnerrp: | however the mythbox plugin tends to be outdated, does not get properly updated to match changes in myth protocol, ,and lies about what version its using to continue doing so |
| [19:09:40] | wagnerrp: | or you can run mythtv as the base program, and add a menu entry to load xbmc over top of it |
| [19:09:45] | slipcon: | MythTV Database Restore Script |
| [19:09:45] | slipcon: | mythconverg_restore.pl |
| [19:09:45] | slipcon: | version: 1.0.8.1 |
| [19:09:50] | sphery: | The current (1.0.12) version of the restore script (from trunk) is at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=txt and will work fine with 0.22-fixes. You can even just put it in your local dir. |
| [19:10:00] | slipcon: | let me grab that |
| [19:10:00] | sphery: | hmmm... 1.0.8.1 should be fine |
| [19:10:06] | sphery: | still, worth a try |
| [19:10:11] | wagnerrp: | Little_Ted: or you can just drop xbmc completely, and teach him to use myth's UI |
| [19:10:14] | slipcon: | could it be the version of mythconverg_backup? |
| [19:10:27] | sphery: | I don't think so. |
| [19:10:41] | slipcon: | because that was definitely old... gentoo's 0.21 package didn't include it so I had downloaded it a while ago |
| [19:10:46] | Little_Ted: | do you think that myth's UI can be made as parent-friendly as XBMC? |
| [19:11:01] | justinh: | ouch |
| [19:11:11] | wagnerrp: | my parents use it just fine |
| [19:11:16] | sphery: | slipcon: actually, couldn't be that--since I used the backup that you created with it. :) |
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| [19:11:23] | wagnerrp: | they dont know their way around the configuration pages, but then they dont need to either |
| [19:11:23] | slipcon: | right, good point |
| [19:11:39] | sphery: | Little_Ted: I think Myth's UI is /much/ more friendly than XBMC for all things TV. |
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| [19:12:14] | sphery: | for non-TV, it's just a slightly different interface (so it will require some learning), but it's a /very/ nice interface in 0.22 and above |
| [19:12:20] | sphery: | (at least for videos :) |
| [19:12:42] | Little_Ted: | cool, I read that many of the modules in MythTV weren't up to the quality of XBMC for things like music and video playback, but it was a post from a few years back, so is that not valid these days? |
| [19:12:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah, music and pictures could stand to use some work |
| [19:13:03] | wagnerrp: | videos got a huge revamp in 0.22 |
| [19:13:10] | sphery: | slipcon: if the new restore script doesn't help, I'll walk you through the steps to identify the bad data. |
| [19:13:23] | sphery: | (I'm willing to do that in IRC, but not via e-mail :) |
| [19:13:29] | justinh: | I wish people would get the hell off mythtv's back. criticising is NOT contributing |
| [19:13:50] | justinh: | mythtv is as good as its contributors make it & we're bloody lucky to have the guys we've got |
| [19:14:24] | Little_Ted: | thankyou all. just as general options, how do you think WIndows 7's media centre (on Ultimate version) compares with using MythTV as the default UI |
| [19:14:34] | slipcon: | 2010-03–09 14:14:20.962 Database corruption detected. Unable to proceed with database upgrade. (Table: oldrecorded, Warnings: 1) |
| [19:14:45] | wagnerrp: | have it... never used it |
| [19:14:45] | justinh: | MCE sucks. end of story. they messed it up with that cross menu thing |
| [19:14:55] | kormoc: | Little_Ted: the number of us who ever used windows 7 is going to be fairly small |
| [19:15:12] | ** AndyCap used the beta ** | |
| [19:15:13] | justinh: | plus it's less of a 10" interface than anything else I've seen. text is way too small for mortals |
| [19:16:14] | Little_Ted: | I thought as much. I think I will try and install MythTV as the basic UI as you have suggested. Is there a particular package that would be easiest for me to use? |
| [19:16:21] | sphery: | slipcon: hmmm... upgrades for me when doing the partial restore onto the blank DB using the 1.0.8.1 restore script |
| [19:16:32] | wagnerrp: | are you familiar with linux? |
| [19:16:38] | Little_Ted: | not at all |
| [19:16:40] | justinh: | if you're looking for 'easy' then go with something else. if you're looking for *worthwhile* stick around |
| [19:16:52] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu is probably your best bet then |
| [19:16:56] | Little_Ted: | I understand, I meant within the spectrum of worthwhile |
| [19:17:16] | justinh: | nothing to do with mythtv is ever point & click easy put it that way :) |
| [19:17:22] | slipcon: | hm. there must be some difference.... mysql version? |
| [19:17:26] | ** dustybin likes mythtv ** | |
| [19:17:36] | wagnerrp: | understand that learning both linux AND mythtv at the same time is going to cause a lot of heartache |
| [19:17:45] | dustybin: | mythtv is finished, why are they releasing another version ? :D |
| [19:17:54] | wagnerrp: | i would highly suggest playing around with it a bit on a spare box and get comfortable |
| [19:17:54] | justinh: | users who read docs & ask intelligent questions go farthest :) |
| [19:18:06] | wagnerrp: | before replacing your father's existing software |
| [19:18:22] | sphery: | Finished? We have so much more to do. I will admit that it's Finnished, but only thanks to the hard work of some Scandinavian translators. |
| [19:18:25] | ** justinh smacks dustybin for good measure ** | |
| [19:18:29] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: it took me 3 years to learn mythtv, and i still dont know it all |
| [19:18:47] | iamlindoro: | s/it all/much at all/ |
| [19:18:52] | wagnerrp: | theres a big difference between knowing everything, and being comfortable |
| [19:19:12] | justinh: | I still find bits out every now & then – and I've been using mythtv for about 5 years now :) |
| [19:19:22] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [19:19:23] | justinh: | but then it's not stayed still for all that time |
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| [19:19:55] | Little_Ted: | cool. I will experiement on some old hardware with mythbuntu, thanks for all the help guys |
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| [19:20:42] | sphery: | slipcon: got some time to work through identifying the bad data? |
| [19:20:54] | slipcon: | sure, lets give it a try. |
| [19:21:16] | sphery: | OK, going into the PM to keep all the discussion from flooding the channel |
| [19:21:58] | j-rod: | I'm liking this change I finally got around to making function in the rpm fusion mythtv packages... |
| [19:21:59] | j-rod: | 2010-03–09 14:21:20.482 mythfrontend version: trunk [0.23–0.1.svn.r23702.fc12 (r23702)] www.mythtv.org |
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| [19:22:34] | j-rod: | way better than 'trunk [exported]' |
| [19:24:07] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: XMLParseBase, Error: Unknown widget type. loading Arclight. recognize that? |
| [19:24:44] | j-rod: | location Arclight/base.xml @ 1609, Name: '' Type: 'multiline' |
| [19:24:54] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: That's just a warning |
| [19:25:07] | iamlindoro: | it's there because I've themed a multiline textedit even though they don't exist yet |
| [19:25:19] | j-rod: | aha |
| [19:25:28] | iamlindoro: | if gbee implements them as I expect him to, they'll work without effort :) |
| [19:25:49] | j-rod: | I rarely ever actually look at the cli output of the frontend loading, but I'm reloading it remotely from within screen, so... :) |
| [19:26:20] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, just knew I wanted some multiline edit widgets even though there isn't one yet |
| [19:26:31] | iamlindoro: | so I put them in even though they only function as single-line at the moment |
| [19:27:23] | j-rod: | worksforme |
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| [19:50:58] | sphery: | j-rod: thank you... I was /really/ hoping that you guys would get the revision into your packages. |
| [19:51:52] | j-rod: | sphery: I thought I'd fixed it so that it was some time back, but that apparently stopped working at some point w/o me noticing (assuming it actually worked to begin with) |
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| [19:52:34] | j-rod: | this route should be fairly future-proof, since its implemented by a patch to the source that won't apply if the code that generates that info changes :) |
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| [19:53:17] | j-rod: | well, a patch, and something in the spec that sed's the rpm Version and Release info into the generated c file |
| [19:53:50] | sphery: | cool |
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| [20:32:36] | toxster: | hello, im having problems watching and recording at the same time on my dual dvb-s2 setup, i have setup 2 capture cards, 1 video source, 2 inpuit connector mapping, but when i check on mythweb, it says is has 5 encoders? |
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| [20:45:28] | AndyCap: | toxster: 4 would be normal, 2 tuners with 2 virtual tuners each |
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| [20:48:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: There, I opened a new ticket just before the release, but at least I closed an existing one as a dup #7513 (of the one I created :). So, at least I'm not slowing things. |
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| [21:17:10] | dustybin: | hows this for dedication, i just created these :D |
| [21:17:11] | dustybin: | http://img191.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20100309at211.png/ |
| [21:18:07] | justinh: | wow |
| [21:18:28] | justinh: | again, irc lacking a sarcasm tag really spoils the moment though |
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| [21:21:46] | justinh: | in other news, my first attempt at fixing a laptop has failed. think the cmos battery might be a dud but it's soldered to the board |
| [21:22:09] | justinh: | least I didn't have any bits left over when I reassembled it though. I binned the leftovers :P |
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| [21:22:17] | wagnerrp: | soldered to the board? ive never seen such a thing |
| [21:22:47] | wagnerrp: | or you mean it had wires coming out that were soldered to the board? |
| [21:23:09] | justinh: | no, soldered to the board |
| [21:24:05] | justinh: | must be a rechargeable dealy of some kind |
| [21:24:44] | justinh: | might not even be that, it just completely fails to boot. powers up now though, which is more than it was doing before |
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| [21:31:54] | mzb: | anyone got experience with using LED lights? |
| [21:32:13] | justinh: | as in light fittings using LEDs? |
| [21:32:21] | justinh: | as in domestic light fittings? |
| [21:32:41] | mzb: | any method using LED |
| [21:32:58] | kormoc: | Yes, they produce light |
| [21:33:18] | wagnerrp: | only in one direction |
| [21:33:35] | kormoc: | until it hits the disco ball! |
| [21:33:36] | wagnerrp: | turn them the other direction and... theyre... completely... black |
| [21:33:37] | ** kormoc groves ** | |
| [21:33:46] | kormoc: | *grooves |
| [21:33:58] | mzb: | oh dear ... drinking time in the UK ;) |
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| [21:34:30] | mzb: | I started thinking about a whole heap of LED's (think 'fairy net') running on a PWM supply |
| [21:34:31] | kormoc: | too bad I'm not in the uk |
| [21:34:36] | mzb: | :) |
| [21:34:49] | mzb: | at least you're drinking then? ;)) |
| [21:34:53] | justinh: | you still need to current limit, pretty much |
| [21:34:57] | kormoc: | sadly, that's a negative as well |
| [21:35:15] | mzb: | ah, just a sensational sense of humour for this time of the day then :) |
| [21:35:22] | justinh: | though it gets complicated if you think in terms of short pulses :) |
| [21:35:26] | mzb: | then I started to think of ultra-brights |
| [21:35:43] | kormoc: | end goal being? |
| [21:35:45] | justinh: | see $internet for inventive ways of driving LEDs :) |
| [21:35:48] | mzb: | I've already got PWM, and I'm more than capable of making a supply |
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| [21:35:50] | mag0o: | ultra-bright LED's!!! |
| [21:36:04] | mzb: | goal is to light the computer room I'm building |
| [21:36:28] | mzb: | I don't want to use fluoros (besides I've run out) or incandescents |
| [21:36:40] | mag0o: | buy an alarm clock with a blue face, it keeps my daughters room lit, even at night |
| [21:36:53] | kormoc: | you know, there are already leds in bulb shapes with all the required hardware |
| [21:37:03] | justinh: | yup |
| [21:37:09] | mzb: | hehe ... I want a _range_ of brightness |
| [21:37:13] | mzb: | yep |
| [21:37:19] | justinh: | even driver modules which do all the work for you via DMX :) |
| [21:37:33] | kormoc: | mzb: http://www.theledlight.com/A19-led-bulb.html |
| [21:37:34] | mzb: | so I saw some 10mm white in the range of 150k-290k mcd |
| [21:37:42] | justinh: | no messing about with home-brew PWM junk :) |
| [21:37:50] | mzb: | 20–35 degree spread |
| [21:38:03] | mzb: | justinh: I _will_ be using my own PWM |
| [21:38:13] | mzb: | and I will be using my own supply |
| [21:38:21] | kormoc: | seems extremely silly to me |
| [21:38:22] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [21:38:29] | mzb: | what does? |
| [21:38:37] | justinh: | well, it's your time I guess |
| [21:38:42] | mzb: | I already have the PWM (arduino) |
| [21:38:48] | kormoc: | building it all vs purchasing them predone and professional quality |
| [21:39:09] | mzb: | ok, it's my time and that's how I choose to spend it |
| [21:39:22] | kormoc: | doesn't mean I don't find it silly :P |
| [21:39:47] | mzb: | it also means there's a possibility (if I keep the costs down) that a) I can afford to upgrade the MBE and b) buy a POOL TABLE! |
| [21:40:01] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:40:03] | mzb: | I don't care how much time it takes |
| [21:40:11] | kormoc: | pool tables cost under a hundred or two? |
| [21:40:18] | mzb: | :) |
| [21:40:22] | kormoc: | (I guess it depends on how many lights you want...) |
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| [21:40:57] | mzb: | the budget is tight ... if I go to close to "budget" there won't be enough left over for the other luxuries |
| [21:41:04] | justinh: | there's those who use a sledgehammer to crack a nut, then there are those who mine metal ore, build a furnace & smelt their own materials & cast their own sledgehammer.. not to mention growing their own nuts |
| [21:41:26] | mzb: | yes, I'm the latter |
| [21:41:45] | mzb: | keeping in mind this is how I _like_ to spend my time |
| [21:42:17] | mzb: | building stuff that makes my life more enjoyable _is_ enjoyable ... get it? |
| [21:42:19] | justinh: | maybe a better one for #electronics :) |
| [21:42:56] | kormoc: | mzb: sure, I get it, doesn't mean I don't find this project silly :P |
| [21:43:26] | mzb: | *sigh* ... just figured someone here would have used LEDs of some sort for backlight and/or illumination in their mythtv entertainment room |
| [21:43:38] | mzb: | kormoc: nm, some people never get it |
| [21:43:44] | kormoc: | Sure, I bought pre-done led light bulbs and used them :P |
| [21:44:12] | justinh: | mzb: not many have your level of umm... dedication ;-) |
| [21:44:25] | mzb: | hehe nicely put |
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| [21:45:05] | mzb: | kormoc: how many watts, are they individual LED's or multiple, what spread do they have, how many have you used in a single room? |
| [21:45:26] | toxster: | hi again, i cant seem to get my 2 dvb-s cards working, when i start a recording, i cannot swith to another channels thats not in the same mux |
| [21:45:26] | justinh: | but if you're gonna drive a lot, I'd recommend you use series/parallel combinations & pwm switch the power *and* current limit it |
| [21:45:40] | kormoc: | mzb: I have a pair of these: http://www.theledlight.com/EO-PAR30L.html in daylight white |
| [21:45:52] | toxster: | must be a noob mistake by me :( |
| [21:46:00] | mzb: | justinh: I'm using an Arduino that I won on Sparkfun's Free Day |
| [21:46:03] | mzb: | . |
| [21:46:51] | justinh: | mzb: and use a sensible supply voltage.. and then careful with the switcher.. FETs have a habit of failing & being a PITA if they're even close to their rated spec |
| [21:46:52] | toxster: | i cannot switch inputs, and i can only browse the channels thats on the same transponder |
| [21:47:06] | toxster: | i have 2 different cards setup, any ideas? |
| [21:47:09] | mzb: | thanks kormoc ... that gets me a step closer |
| [21:47:15] | mzb: | two in the same room? |
| [21:47:20] | kormoc: | Yes |
| [21:47:25] | mzb: | 6 x 1.5W in ea ... hmm |
| [21:48:03] | justinh: | kormoc: you using phase dimming with those? |
| [21:48:13] | kormoc: | to be fair, I'd likely want another two in the room for real usage |
| [21:48:32] | kormoc: | justinh: standard on-off, just happens to have been the brightest ones I could find at the time |
| [21:48:34] | mzb: | room I want to light is (will be) approx 2.4mx2.2m |
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| [21:48:49] | toxster: | noone here uses 2x cards on with the same subscription/reception technology (in my case dvb-s2) |
| [21:48:53] | kormoc: | bout the same size, a little smaller I'd think |
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| [21:49:05] | kormoc: | (your's is smaller that is) |
| [21:49:47] | justinh: | ahhh dimmable by interrupting the power? Blech |
| [21:49:56] | toxster: | DVBChan(5:/dev/dvb/adapter3/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(233): Multiplex is not available |
| [21:50:03] | mzb: | so I figured a few of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 370344712041 |
| [21:50:15] | mzb: | but I read that multiple LEDs not as good |
| [21:50:37] | kormoc: | you're not gonna get a lot of light out of one |
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| [21:51:04] | justinh: | they should be shot for using comic sans |
| [21:51:52] | mzb: | so I started to look at ones like these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 320499047993 |
| [21:51:55] | mzb: | (and brethren) |
| [21:52:07] | mzb: | ie: the high(er) wattage ones |
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| [21:53:54] | mzb: | the hacker in me wants to get these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 170451983746 |
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| [21:54:26] | justinh: | blimey. 1W MR16 LED bulb for £0.99 each |
| [21:55:16] | AndyCap: | mzb: building fnordlichts? |
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| [21:56:11] | justinh: | mzb: making your own would be tricky, heatsinking issues ;) |
| [21:56:49] | mzb: | AndyCap: it had occurred to me, but I just want dimmable LED to light a small room |
| [21:56:51] | justinh: | they do actually get warm.. just not as warm as incandescents |
| [21:57:20] | justinh: | heh the service manual for that laptop says swap the main board. really helpful |
| [21:57:43] | mzb: | justinh: I've got (/making) a false ceiling with fan ventilation, and I've got heaps of aluminium so I don't see heatsinking as an issue |
| [21:58:20] | justinh: | yeh but making your own & not have them look like ass could be tricky |
| [21:58:31] | mzb: | hehe |
| [21:58:43] | justinh: | unless you have a milling machine... |
| [21:59:04] | mzb: | no, that's still on the list ... got all the bits though! ;) |
| [21:59:09] | mzb: | fwiw, the last (time-wasting) project didn't go over budget, looks ok, and does it's job |
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| [21:59:38] | AndyCap: | suddenly im reminded of that plastic ceiling thing |
| [21:59:39] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Smoker/ . . . FULL-RES.jpg |
| [21:59:55] | mzb: | already sounds expensive ;) |
| [22:00:22] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Smoker/ . . . 03_2.5hr.jpg |
| [22:00:42] | mzb: | just for perpective, that's a 2.3kg chicken |
| [22:00:47] | mzb: | s/perspective |
| [22:01:10] | kormoc: | and here I used a hotplate, terra cotta pot and some wood chips... |
| [22:02:07] | mzb: | I want to be able to cook in the rain and keep the dog away from my food as it cooks ;P |
| [22:02:51] | AndyCap: | Ah, Barrisol! Too far from my notion of what a roof should be to even consider. :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwUF6oMOOA |
| [22:03:10] | mzb: | (and be able to do a LARGE amount of food) |
| [22:03:18] | AndyCap: | s/roof/ceiling/ |
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| [22:10:02] | ThisOtherGuy: | hi all! |
| [22:10:16] | kormoc: | Hello Dr. ThisOtherGuy |
| [22:10:49] | ThisOtherGuy: | Hiya Ev'ry-bohdy! |
| [22:11:51] | ThisOtherGuy: | Can anyone help me with a MythWeb issue? |
| [22:11:55] | ** justinh wonders what happened to Dr Marvin Monroe ** | |
| [22:12:11] | justinh: | ThisOtherGuy: people can only help when they know what's up |
| [22:12:38] | AndyCap: | justinh: dead? |
| [22:13:17] | ThisOtherGuy: | k – I'm using trunk and I noticed that preview images don't appear on the Recorded Programs page for recent recordings. I see these errors in the backend log: http://pastebin.com/bMd6T3jd |
| [22:13:36] | kormoc: | svn up |
| [22:14:00] | kormoc: | I think I fixed that last night |
| [22:14:07] | kormoc: | or perhaps I broke it last night, one of the two |
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| [22:14:29] | ThisOtherGuy: | kormoc: I just svn up'd a few minutes before posting, but it's been happening for me for the past few days |
| [22:14:35] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:14:52] | ThisOtherGuy: | since March 4th |
| [22:15:28] | kormoc: | didja update the backend on march 4th? |
| [22:16:07] | ThisOtherGuy: | yes |
| [22:16:12] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:16:24] | kormoc: | I wonder if I missed an important change... |
| [22:16:38] | ** kormoc eyes the encyclopedia named sphery ** | |
| [22:16:59] | kormoc: | ThisOtherGuy: know the previous working backend you had? |
| [22:17:05] | kormoc: | (date/revision?) |
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| [22:17:28] | ** ThisOtherGuy checking logs ** | |
| [22:17:56] | ThisOtherGuy: | mythbackend version: trunk [23668M] www.mythtv.org |
| [22:18:20] | kormoc: | kk, that narrows it down a bit, I'll check the logs and see if I can find what changed |
| [22:18:26] | sphery: | kormoc: I've seen someone else mention a similar issue, but I don't know of changes that would cause it (other than danielk's changes to the programinfo passing--but if it's that, it's not a MythWeb bug) |
| [22:18:48] | sphery: | ThisOtherGuy: r23668 worked? |
| [22:18:51] | ThisOtherGuy: | no |
| [22:18:53] | sphery: | if so, it's not danielk's changes |
| [22:19:00] | ThisOtherGuy: | 23668 is when it started not working |
| [22:19:02] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [22:19:09] | kormoc: | know the previous working point? |
| [22:19:11] | sphery: | do you know what you had before that one? |
| [22:19:18] | ** ThisOtherGuy checking logs ** | |
| [22:20:36] | ThisOtherGuy: | 23566M |
| [22:20:43] | iamlindoro: | There is a ticket on the no preview image thing |
| [22:21:02] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8118 |
| [22:21:30] | sphery: | which says 23645 didn't work |
| [22:21:46] | sphery: | And – why can't it seem to remember the pathnames? |
| [22:21:58] | kormoc: | huh |
| [22:22:03] | sphery: | quoting the ticket |
| [22:22:25] | kormoc: | oh lord, nice |
| [22:22:59] | sphery: | kormoc: danielk's changes had to do with not updating the paths in programinfo in some cases |
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| [22:23:57] | sphery: | kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23599 |
| [22:24:18] | sphery: | "But it also removes some of the cruft in the PreviewGenerator? constructor that had built up to deal with places that called the preview generator without setting pathname as per the PreviewGenerator? documentation." |
| [22:24:27] | sphery: | perhaps MythWeb is in violation? :) |
| [22:24:42] | kormoc: | yup! |
| [22:24:45] | sphery: | didn't you read the documentation? sheesh! |
| [22:24:48] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:26:43] | sphery: | btw, I close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7513#comment:7 (the one you changed to infoneeded_new last night) as I am 99.99999% positive it's what I just reported in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8158 (the 2nd--no DB/invalid DB connection info--case) |
| [22:27:06] | kormoc: | snaz |
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| [22:27:53] | sphery: | figured it was easier than trying to change his ticket to have the pertinent info |
| [22:28:37] | sphery: | oh, and thanks for the pre-ticket info you gave me--it allowed me to sound like I knew what I was talking about in the ticket description |
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| [22:29:32] | kormoc: | :) |
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| [23:52:29] | RDV_Linux: | For anyone that is interested iamlindoro is testing a new (unreleased) MythNetvision utility that will add many new grabbers. Here is a short video of a TOS compliant Hulu search: http://www.fecitfacta.com/hulu.ogg |
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