Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, March 6th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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sphery:

I meant it more in http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banal#Adjective way

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fryfrog:

ahhaa, you said anal :p

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** kormoc just flashed to south park for a second **

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sphery:

kormoc: "Character set 'latin1' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index.xml' file" is just a broken mysql install, right?

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sphery:

specifically http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/426041#426041

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sphery:

wonder if it would be a client or server error...

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kormoc:

seems to be from both sides

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kormoc:

and aye, broken compile

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kormoc:

sphery: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/cannot . . . ter-set.html

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sphery:

might be http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=45058

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sphery:

he says it works until the 3rd connection, so it could be the multithread issue in mysql c libs

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kormoc:

he should just compile the charset into the server and be done with it

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sphery:

agreed--especially latin1

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iamlindoro:

Well we wouldn't want to compile anything extra in

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sphery:

any guesses what distro he's using?

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iamlindoro:

Could result in literally dozens of bytes of waste

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sphery:

and you know what bytes of HDD and RAM is worth these days

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sphery:

I gave him the "your MySQL is broken, so fix it or upgrade or downgrade it" spiel

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** sphery is about to blow away his dev box **

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sid3windr:

don't sigh so much

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sid3windr:

:D

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sphery:

the plan is to have it working again, soon, with an upgrade

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sphery:

but you know how plans go

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kormoc:

sphery: I'd be surprised if he's gentoo... I'd likely wager he's something else...

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sphery:

I'm just figuring it's got to be one of the "compile it yourself" ones

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sphery:

not so much a statement on any distro as that he's compiling himself

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kormoc:

well, he had to go really out of his way to get it to not compile latin1 in

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

if it is a package-provided build, it could be a /very/ new one with a partial fix

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Beirdo:

blarf

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Beirdo:

tzanger: you in?

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andreax:

hm. I get no preview pictures of my recordings in mythweb. Ideas how to troubleshoot that?

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iamlindoro:

Are you using trunk?

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Beirdo:

mmmm. trunk.

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andreax:

Me? Im using trunk, yes.

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iamlindoro:

Guess you're all set, then :)

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iamlindoro:

since you're using trunk and following all the appropriate lists and know about the open issues

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iamlindoro:

FWIW, it's not a coincidence that I automatically knew you were using trunk ;)

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andreax:

hehehe, not really all. :)

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andreax:

Ah, okay, so this is a known issue?

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tzanger:

Beirdo: yep

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I got an answer in ##electronics :)

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tzanger:

oh okay

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tzanger:

try me, I wonder if I give the same answer

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Beirdo:

instead of the LED, I'm modelling with 2 1N4148 in series

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Beirdo:

I was looking for a good way to approximate the characteristics of the LED

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tzanger:

Beirdo: yeah LEDs generally have a higher Vf

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tzanger:

ahh

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Beirdo:

the Vf is 1.6V

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tzanger:

*nods*

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Beirdo:

so 2*1N4148 gets 1.4V, which is close

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Beirdo:

just means my current limiting resistor needs to be smaller :)

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tzanger:

yep, you could throw 3 germanium diodes in series and get about 1.5

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tzanger:

yes that too is true

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Beirdo:

as I forgot to account for the stupid Vf drop :)

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tzanger:

I think germanium has about 0.5V Vf

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tzanger:

I generally don't use 'em

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tzanger:

and most shottky diodes I've actually measured give about 0.3V to 0.4V Vf under normal conditions

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Beirdo:

so with 2*1N4148 in place of the LED, I need a 58 ohm or so resistor

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Beirdo:

to peak at 50mA (off a 5V supply)

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tzanger:

that seems awfully low

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tzanger:

you're driving an infrared LED with PWM?

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Beirdo:

accounting for the Vf of the LED + the drop of the NPN itself

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

the PWM is LPFed... and fed through a 10k resistor to get the base current

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tzanger:

oh you're still thinking of using the transistor as a class A amp

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Beirdo:

which I have set to max at 500uA

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Beirdo:

yup

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tzanger:

I don't know the particulars of what you're doing, but why wouldn't you just use PWM and drive the LED directly?

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Beirdo:

because that won't work

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

IR remote controls use pulses at 38kHz

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Beirdo:

so I can't PWM the PWM data

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tzanger:

yeah, it'd be a challenge, but you could drive your PWM at 100kHz or 250kHz with a bit of a cap rolling it off

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Beirdo:

basically, I have another transistor to drive the data modulation

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tzanger:

right I remember that part

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Beirdo:

and the PWM running at 400kHz is used to give me a varying DC voltage to get a settable current through the LED

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Beirdo:

which I then turn on and off.

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Beirdo:

at that set current

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tzanger:

right right.. it'll certainly work

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tzanger:

why are you worried about the LED drive current being variable?

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tzanger:

actually you know what you could do

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Beirdo:

because it's easy to overdrive some receivers

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tzanger:

instead of using the fast PWM to create a base current

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tzanger:

use a current follower transistor pair

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tzanger:

and drive the source of that with your PWM

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tzanger:

you would probably get better linearity

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

but it's quite linear typically as class A

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Beirdo:

limited range, perhaps

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Beirdo:

and varies per transistor as to what the particular hfe is

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tzanger:

yes that's why you'd use a current mirror

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Beirdo:

I'll look into it :)

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Beirdo:

also trying to keep the parts count down too

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tzanger:

it practically eliminates the issues with hfe

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Beirdo:

true

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tzanger:

well it's two transistors instead of one really

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Beirdo:

three instead of 2 :)

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Beirdo:

per IR transmitter

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Beirdo:

although I guess I could use FETs with multiple gates or something

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Beirdo:

heh

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tzanger:

right that' swhat I mean; it's an additional one

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Beirdo:

jup

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Beirdo:

not much of a difference

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Beirdo:

mean 3 quad parts instead of 2

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Beirdo:

oooh $1.40 more at quantity 1

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Beirdo:

but I'm actually kinda proud of myself

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Beirdo:

and prof. Barby should be too

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Beirdo:

it was like 15 years ago I learned this stuff from him at UW

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tzanger:

:-)

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Beirdo:

the problem with the current mirror: now I have to source the full 50mA from the LPF capacitor

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Beirdo:

I didn't want to be doing that

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tzanger:

hmm yeah I guess you're right

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Beirdo:

I have it at 8nF, which is quite small :)

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tzanger:

you could use your class A to drive the current mirror, now we're up to 4 transistors

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

why would that help? I'm not sure off hand

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tzanger:

you're still relying on the hfe of the class A transistor to set upt he current mirror's current, so I don't think it would help.

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tzanger:

you could use an op amp and a fet to get a current servo

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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tzanger:

that takes a voltage source and gives you a constant variable current from it

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tzanger:

but that's starting to get beynd the simple analog design

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Beirdo:

not much

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beata-:

is thetvdb.com down?

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Beirdo:

no clue

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sphery:

beata-: seems to be down from here

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Beirdo:

and of course I forget the trick to opamps in spice :)

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Beirdo:

off to the docs we go

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sphery:

so did you end up using ngspice?

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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sphery:

cool

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beata-:

thanks sphery

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tzanger:

hmm I always hated spice, I never got what I wanted out if it

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cipher42:

any idea why vdpau won't work with 9500gt card?

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cipher42:

actually it won't work on my computer with a 260 either...

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fryfrog:

cipher42: i use it on my 8800GT :/

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fryfrog:

driver issue?

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fryfrog:

(granted, this is in boxee and not mythtv)

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gehre:

I'm having trouble with volume lowering when changing channels in live TV in 9.10.

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** iamlindoro reminds the public at large that all linux is not ubuntu **

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

and that linux managed to limp by before it

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Beirdo:

not all linux is ubuntu rather? ;0

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

barely, they only made it 15 years

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beata-:

iamlindoro btw im liking the new theme

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iamlindoro:

beata-, cool

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beata-:

thanks for the recomendation

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iamlindoro:

np, glad you like it

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wagnerrp:

this might interest some people in here... http://gizmodo.com/5486607/

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iamlindoro:

Way better than that Norntendo Rii I bought

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gehre:

well yes i am running ubuntu. i'm not a big fan of 9.10. any help on this problem? sound volume?

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wagnerrp:

are you using... digital audio?

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gehre:

wagnerrp. the sound is going through the tv card directly-not through a separate lead.

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wagnerrp:

output, not capture

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gehre:

wagnerrp. ah, sorry. no, nothing special. on board soundcard. an asus board, amd 64 proc. when i switch channels i have to turn up the volume again.

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tank-man:

maybe that is a default value for your volume somewhere

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cipher42:

anyone know why mythtv would hang when enabling vdpau?

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gehre:

tank-man: The reduction stops at the same place on the scale. so i guess in the file structure i would find a config text with a default number? or in a front-end setting?

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cipher42:

have the latest drivers..

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tank-man:

gehre, i have a analog video setup (pvr250), and when i change channels in livetv, the volume stays the same

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Beirdo:

oh blah

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gts:

Just got a new Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 MC-Kit. All seems well, but when I try a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg ... I get nothing but inky inky black. Here's dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1824656 Suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

have you tuned it to a channel?

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wagnerrp:

set the input?

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gts:

wagnerrp: yep

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gts:

wagnerrp: I previously had a WinTV PVR-250

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sphery:

gehre: sounds like you've enabled "Use Internal Volume Controls" and you're changing volume with an external mixer

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sphery:

gehre: i.e. you're using kmix or gmixer or your keyboard's volume keys (which are hooked into your Window Manager, not Myth) or whatever to change volume

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gehre:

sphery: Ah ha I think I'll check that.

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cipher42:

maybe it's not video0 you need

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wagnerrp:

its video0

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wagnerrp:

trying to hit any other inputs is a mistake

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cipher42:

but yea you have to select input right?

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wagnerrp:

through the V4L2 controls

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cipher42:

sorry, just realized you guyz had already responded...

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wagnerrp:

and then it comes through video0

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cipher42:

xawtv is nice for testing

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cipher42:

any idea why my vdpau isn't working at home?

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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cipher42:

9500gt and other computer has 260gtx

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cipher42:

niether work

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cipher42:

by my work computer has a 8400 gs that DOES work!

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wagnerrp:

what driver?

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cipher42:

latest

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cipher42:

190.x

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wagnerrp:

and youve set the proper playback profile?

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cipher42:

hrm

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cipher42:

it works when i take vdpau off

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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cipher42:

when i use the cpu to decode HD, i can get video

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cipher42:

but as soon as i switch to vdpau

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cipher42:

no workie

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wagnerrp:

if vdpau doesnt work, the vdpau profiles are designed to fail over to Xv

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cipher42:

well i donno what to tell ya

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cipher42:

just what i have observed

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cipher42:

works everytime too

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cipher42:

when i select CPU

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cipher42:

and just hangs when i select VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

pastebin your frontend logs

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cipher42:

dmesg?

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wagnerrp:

frontend logs

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cipher42:

where?

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Beirdo:

!trout cipher42 topic

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** MythLogBot slaps cipher42 with a topic trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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cipher42:

sorry i'm an idiot

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cipher42:

i don't see a log for mythtv-frontend

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Beirdo:

tzanger: after a long time digging up appropriate models, I have a current servo simulated

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Beirdo:

seems it is very linear :)

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cipher42:

you can't tell me where they are?

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clever:

cipher42: all depends on what you set them to go

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cipher42:

i think just stdout

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clever:

or what your distro set for you

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cipher42:

so it ends up in dmesg

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clever:

stdout is the default if nothing set it

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clever:

and it wont be in dmesg

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cipher42:

syslog?

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wagnerrp:

dmesg contains nothing but kernel logging

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv doesnt not log to syslog directly

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wagnerrp:

not unless you pipe it to some external program that does it for you

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cipher42:

where would stdout go from myth then?

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clever:

to whatever terminal window you ran mythfrontend in

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wagnerrp:

depends on how you ran mythfrontend

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gehre:

sphery: That was it. I didn't realize that set-up had all those different options. I am watching ota on my desktop so using external control works for this set-up. Thank-you!

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cipher42:

well where can i set it?

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cipher42:

looking in the menu..

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tzanger:

Beirdo: nice, which source gave up the goods?

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wagnerrp:

how did you start the frontend?

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sphery:

gehre: cool... as long as you use only one or the other, it works great :)

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wagnerrp:

what menu?

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Beirdo:

tzanger: fairchildsemi :)

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cipher42:

mythtv

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cipher42:

i start it from applications

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wagnerrp:

then you have to see what command line it is using

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wagnerrp:

are you by any chance running ubuntu?

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cipher42:

yea

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cipher42:

i used apt-get to install

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wagnerrp:

is there nothing in /var/log/mythtv/

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cipher42:

there is no such directory

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cipher42:

weird right?

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wagnerrp:

there should be some tool somewhere that pastebins all relevant logging for mythtv

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cipher42:

i think it's cuz i only installed the front-end?

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wagnerrp:

you cant only install the frontend

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cipher42:

well i donno why that directory doesn't exist

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cipher42:

feel like a retard

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Beirdo:

tzanger: http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/classa.png

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Beirdo:

and http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/currentservo.png

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beata-:

anyway to tell myth that all of a directory is a particular tv series?

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cipher42:

i just found it in tmp!!

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tzanger:

that's damn linear

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Beirdo:

both are fairly much so :)

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Beirdo:

but the classa has the issue of unknown hfe variance

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tzanger:

right

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Beirdo:

http://www.daycounter.com/Circuits/Current-Se . . . -Servo.phtml

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Beirdo:

BTW

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cipher42:

looks like i don't have permissions to use /dev/nvidiaSomething which is the hardware decoder?

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iamlindoro:

it's not a dev device

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iamlindoro:

but sounds like your driver is not loading in general

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cipher42:

i just chmod 777'd /dev/nvidia* and it's working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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clever:

until you reboot

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cipher42:

yea

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clever:

you need to add the mythtv user to the group that owns the device

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cipher42:

right

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cipher42:

thanks guyz

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clever:

for me, thats the video group

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cipher42:

yea mythtv is in the video group....

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clever:

but is mythfrontend running as mythtv?

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cipher42:

hhmm...

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cipher42:

nope

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cipher42:

running as me

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cipher42:

you guyz know if the 901 netbooks support VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

what video card do they have?

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tank-man:

they have intel video

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wagnerrp:

then no

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beata-:

any way to mass edit metadata through the frontend

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iamlindoro:

beata-, what specifically are you trying to accomplish?

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beata-:

change title from "star trek TNG" to "star trek The Next Generation"

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iamlindoro:

There's no easy way to do that to a whole group, easiest way may be to use SQL to do it

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iamlindoro:

update videometadata set title = "Star Trek: The Next Generation" where title = "star trek TNG";

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beata-:

yea i was looking into that as we speak

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beata-:

thanks for the quick help

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beata-:

that worked

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so with those changes to mythrename.pl, is it now entirely unsupported to change the names of recordings?

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wagnerrp:

im updating the file transfer objects in the bindings to refresh their internal size based off UPDATE_FILE_SIZE events

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wagnerrp:

and it would be far simpler to just assume the filenames will always be chanid_starttime.ext, rather than have to look them up in the database

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sphery:

wagnerrp: IMHO, yes, it does, but users may still have old previously-renamed recording files (and may not run mythlink.pl --rename to put them back to proper)

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wagnerrp:

well either way, the filesize should NEVER change if not in that format, right?

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sphery:

makes sense to me

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sphery:

except if they transcode an old-named one, I suppose

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wagnerrp:

but that wont send an event anyway

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messerting:

Hi, I've had some problems with importing channels via a pre-scanned channels.conf, and have found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8854885

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messerting:

Where it is claimed that this is due to a bug in mythtv 0.22

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messerting:

I'm currently running 0.22-fixes from svn

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[R]:

ok... and...

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messerting:

and have found some mention of channels.conf in channelscan_sm.cpp

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messerting:

and I wonder if anyone could help me finding the missing bits..

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messerting:

is it simply some boolean test there that is failing?

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[R]:

missing bits?

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[R]:

boolean test?

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[R]:

its broken

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[R]:

fin

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messerting:

uhm, okay

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messerting:

for me, I haven't had much luck using mythtv's internal channel scan

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messerting:

and am currently using an imported channels.conf

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messerting:

but I then don't have EPG working

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messerting:

(so I use tv_grab... instead)

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messerting:

But it would be nice to have mythtv handle it. Maybe I should try to compare whatever is done for the Germany scan in mythtv, and make something similar for Norway (where I am)

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[R]:

"germany scan"?

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messerting:

in mythtv-setup, there is an option to scan all transports in Germany

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messerting:

I'm talking about DVB-C

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AndyCap:

messerting: it is hardcoded

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messerting:

AndyCap: okay, but I'd like to expand the hardcoded code to also include Norway

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messerting:

but don't know where to start.

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AndyCap:

messerting: /mythtv/libs/libmythtv/frequencytables.cpp

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AndyCap:

man a computer without period asterisk comma and enter is annoying to use

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messerting:

thanks

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messerting:

:)

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messerting:

but how is this mapped to eg. Germany

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messerting:

oh

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messerting:

I think I understand

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messerting:

I might give it a try another day. gotta go now – thanks for your input :)

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matmatmat:

hello

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matmatmat:

is there EPG on dvb-ip and does mythtv utilize that information?

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wain:

hi

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wain:

i have some trubble with my mythtv installation

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matmatmat:

hi

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wain:

i am not able to recive any eit-data

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wain:

there is also no error message

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wain:

i only get the following message after starting a scan: "DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks eno: Function not implemented (38)"

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wain:

i have googled this error without any good results

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wain:

i am using mythtv since a few years now and have set up a new box with debian experimental and mythtv packages form debian-multimedia

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wain:

has anyone a idea how to solve this issue?

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matmatmat:

you dont happen to know if mythtv can extract eit information from dvb-ip streams?

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wain:

i am using obly dvb-s

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Guest84096:

can i delete syslog from a diskless client as its 1.8 gb

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Guest84096:

thats var/log/syslog

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Guest84096:

and kern.log

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Guest84096:

as its 1.8 gb as well

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Guest84096:

bump

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swerve:

how come the mythtv raw video is so badly out of audio sync?

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swerve:

when i go to encode it, i have to offset even by like -0.750 sec.

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Beirdo:

let us gaze into our crystal ball to determine what the problem is...

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Beirdo:

with no information, you will get no answers that are useful

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iamlindoro:

but in general, the answer has nothing to do with MythTV, and everything to do with the quality of your television reception/transcoding tools

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Beirdo:

in most cases, yup :)

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swerve:

i have no idea what the problem might be

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iamlindoro:

good thing I just told you, then

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swerve:

which is why i asked ;)

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swerve:

it didn't used to do that, so I thought it might be some setting I was overlooking

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iamlindoro:

Unlikely

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brad2:

morning guys

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swerve:

like increasing the kbps of the audio to 192, etc.

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swerve:

or some processor setting

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iamlindoro:

no

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swerve:

otherwise then, i don't understand why just raw mpeg video, not even deinterlaced or anything, would have sync issues

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iamlindoro:

because of stream damage, as previously mentioned

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iamlindoro:

also note it's not "raw"

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swerve:

that's true – it's already encoded to mpeg, right?

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iamlindoro:

correct, therefore not raw

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swerve:

it sounds like something I don't have much control over, with current hardware at least

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iamlindoro:

and in 9 out of 10 cases, post-transcode audio offset is a result of stream damage

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swerve:

i've never heard of stream damage before

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iamlindoro:

You should probably get used to it

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iamlindoro:

since most digitally captured video is at least mildly damaged

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swerve:

what is that most often a function of? the tuner card? the cable transmission?

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iamlindoro:

any and all of those

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swerve:

ok

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iamlindoro:

quality of tuner, biterror, signal quality, antenna lignment, cable quality, overamplification, underamplification, etc.

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swerve:

thanks for the information, at least now I know the likely cause

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swerve:

and that it's not from a wrong setting

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Kazan:

anyone here in seattle metro, whats your channel list you get in NTSC and QAM off cable?

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brad2:

hey guys, i noticed on my recordings screen. Some TV shows seem to have theme backgrounds, and some don't. I don't think I have done anything to set up the ones that do have themes. What can I do to load up the rest? Is this a Jamu thing? Or does Jamu only do MythVideo?

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RDV_Linux:

brad2: Jamu will attempt to find TV graphics for the "Watch Recordings" with the -MW option which is usually run from a cron script.

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RDV_Linux:

brad2: Check the jamu wiki

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brad2:

rdv: sweet! thanks

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brad2:

i didn't realize it did that

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brad2:

that must be how i got those initial theme graphics, and i just haven't run jamu in a while

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RDV_Linux:

brad2: That jamu option is efficient enough to run hourly as it will only try to get missing graphics. Some people run it every 30 minutes,

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brad2:

really? wow

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brad2:

it totally makes sense, knowing that it grabs recording info too

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brad2:

i just didn't realize it.. always nice to discover some new neat feature :)

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brad2:

i don't know why, but whenever I am typing "Coverart", I always type "Covertart"

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brad2:

haha

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matmatmat:

hello

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matmatmat:

is there EPG on dvb-ip and does mythtv utilize that information?

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matmatmat:

would suck if i had to enter the start and end time manually

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brad2:

jamu is just so cool

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brad2:

haha

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wagnerrp:

seems my local cableco is going door to door saying theyre shutting down analog in august

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wagnerrp:

and claiming the FCC is requiring they do so

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brad2:

morning wagnerrp

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jamesd2:

wagnerrp, which cable company?

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wagnerrp:

insight

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dubstar_04:

I have just registered the name mythLoveFilm with LoveFilm as I intend on making a LoveFilm plugin

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dubstar_04:

is anyone else interested in this?

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wagnerrp:

looks like mythflix

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justinh:

course not

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jamesd2:

might be interesting for people that love british movies and commedy... must have a better selection in those genre's than netflix

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justinh:

we don't have netflix :)

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wagnerrp:

doesnt netflix only exist in the americas anyway?

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jamesd2:

yes... not sure what the terms of service is... but mythtv users would be streaming movies mostly... does it matter, if doesn't break the contract?

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justinh:

whut?

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justinh:

lovefilm doesn't stream movies

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justinh:

bugger. yes they do now apparently. MEH

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wagnerrp:

they stream them through consignia

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dubstar_04:

i currently have no intention of implementing any streaming functionality, just browse, search and add to rental que

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jamesd2:

dubstar_04, then so not interested... the idea of dealing with discs, that may be scratched, dirty or worse... and having to return them is pointless i have 6mbit DSL for a reason.

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wagnerrp:

jamesd2: certainly not for streaming of quality content

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justinh:

jamesd2: how would you imagine that they'd let you watch streaming movies without DRM hmm?

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justinh:

on linux and all

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wagnerrp:

justinh: if its through flash with rtmp, it could be done through mythbrowser

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justinh:

flash. MEH

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justinh:

yeah, cos we love our video playback to be all tearing & hog the CPU

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wagnerrp:

of course!

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jamesd2:

perhaps they make a linux/java movie player than handles the DRM or something euro is supposed to be opensource friendly and want to break microsoft.

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justinh:

pleh

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

euro just wants to break microsoft because its not euro

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justinh:

and euro govt has FA to do with the real world anyway

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justinh:

certainly not commerce

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dubstar_04:

if we could just steal movies from peoples servers it would save so much hassle unlawfully copying rental discs, ahem (no names mentioned)!!

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jamesd2:

so there isn't no support for netflix streaming in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

s/mythtv/linux/

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wagnerrp:

netflix requires silverlight, and moonlight doesnt have the necessary extensions

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jamesd2:

wow.. thx i almost signed up with them i thought the netflix module did that...

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justinh:

ow. just watched a bit of one of lovefilm's free movies... *terrible* quality

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Captain_Murdoch:

dubstar_04, if you implement a plugin for that, it needs to be flexible. we'd like to replace the mythflix plugin with something that just has a generic set of scripts for dealing with various online rental companies. so we'd have a netflix.pl (or .py or whatever) and a lovefilm.pl, etc.. they'd just have generic interfaces that the 'mythmovierental' plugin would use. "netflix.pl --listqueue blah' would list movies in qu

[17:57:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

eue 'blah'. "netflix.pl --addqueue blah --id ID would add the movie with id ID to queue blah, etc.. we won't accept a new plugin that is tied to a specific online service, we want it to be generic like the newer MythWeather and MythNetVision in trunk.

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dubstar_04:

umm that might be beyond my abilities, at the moment

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: you havent started anything up on the wiki for the event system have you?

[17:59:50]

wagnerrp:

i couldnt find anything, and am about to do so myself

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, no

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** Captain_Murdoch just writes long commit messages. **

[18:00:04]

wagnerrp:

heh

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RDV_Linux:

Captain_Murdoch: Where is "netflix.pl"? I wonder if the general idea can be made into a MNV grabber?

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Captain_Murdoch:

you might look at mine for the event system, it has a lot of info in it.

[18:00:48]

wagnerrp:

at the commit message?

[18:01:04]

wagnerrp:

actually, this was going to be documenting the actual socket data

[18:01:07]

wagnerrp:

rather than use of it

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Captain_Murdoch:

RDV_Linux, the current mythflix plugin uses a combination of perl helper for manipulating the queue and the rss news reader from mythnews, there isn't one helper script that does it all.

[18:01:19]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: wouldnt be any purpose to doing so

[18:01:46]

wagnerrp:

all it does is list your current mail queue (i dont even know if you can add/remove from it)

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wagnerrp:

it has no support for streaming

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, ah yeah, I can't remember if I put anything in there about that or not, probably not that detailed.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Ok so never mind;)

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: just thought about it since im currently fixing the 'BACKEND_MESSAGE' page on the wiki

[18:02:42]

wagnerrp:

as it currently seems to think its some sort of command you send TO the backend

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: don't forget redbox in your online flix replacement :)

[18:02:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

current (well, I think it's partially broken now) mythflix plugin can browse the rss feeds of top X lists and add-to/remove-from/browse queues.

[18:03:02]

wagnerrp:

redbox will mail stuff to you?

[18:03:13]

Beirdo:

no, but you can reserve them

[18:03:18]

wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

then go pick it up

[18:03:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

Beirdo, it's not mine, I'm just trying to make sure people don't waste their time implementing something that has no chance of getting put into trunk. :)

[18:03:48]

Beirdo:

ahh, gotcha

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Captain_Murdoch:

we've wanted it written for a while. and any new 'netflix.pl' helper script needs to use the NetFlix API.

[18:04:22]

Beirdo:

for sure

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/written/rewritten/ :)

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Beirdo:

if there's a valid API, we should use it

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tmkt:

any idea why volume on my videos has dropped since going to 0.23? have to put my amp up to max to listen to stuff, whereas tv and recorded tv is fine

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wagnerrp:

going to what?

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ourtv:

i can't play dvd in mythtv unless i first play them in something outside of mythtv like vlc. if i don't play them a little in something else first mtythv just comes back to the menu after i click on play dvd. is there a setting a need to change in mythtv?

[18:10:40]

ourtv:

i can eject the disk in mythtv, it just doesn't play

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bjd:

there's some repo i can add to my source list for newer packages for ubuntu isn't there?

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wagnerrp:

bjd: youll probably have better luck for a response in #ubuntu-mythtv

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bjd:

ta

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wagnerrp:

this is just general mythtv help, not distro specific

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tmkt:

bjd mythbuntu-repos

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bjd:

wagnerrp: obviously, but people sometimes know about distro specific stuff ;)

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bjd:

cheers tmkt – will check it out

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wagnerrp:

right, im just saying your odds are better over there

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wagnerrp:

of the people currently talking in here, roughly 3/4 compile from source, and dont use the ubuntu mythtv repos (and may additionally not be on ubuntu)

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ourtv:

found it

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Beirdo:

frigging analog circuit design :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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fukdnscerd:

i just switched fom ubuntu repo version of myth to svn version. now my logs are empty. What do i need to change to get this working properly

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wagnerrp:

recreate the various init and wrapper scripts the mythbuntu devs put together to set up that logging

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fukdnscerd:

oh, so mythtv doesnt have builtin options for writing logs??

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wagnerrp:

it does, but apparently the way youre calling mythtv, youre not using them

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wagnerrp:

its something set on the command line, not in the GUI options

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fukdnscerd:

oic, thanks

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wagnerrp:

specifically '-v <options>' and '-l <logfile>'

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wagnerrp:

and if you do set a log file rather than logging to terminal, you probably want to use '-d' as well

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fukdnscerd:

is there a config file to put those options in permanently or do i have to call it as such each time it is run

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wagnerrp:

thats what the wrapper scripts are for

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wagnerrp:

your init script should do that for mythbackend

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fukdnscerd:

ok, i think i can handle that from there.. I appreciate it

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wagnerrp:

and you can either define that in a wrapper script for mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

or just specify that on the command line when you call it, or in the icon you click

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fukdnscerd:

cool, thanks

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tmkt:

seems my issue is i can't find where in 0.23 the passtrhough settings are... all my 5.1 videos are all playing in 2.0 now

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wagnerrp:

whats the name of the 'suggested linux directory format'?

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fukdnscerd:

you mean like posix standards?

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wagnerrp:

FHS was what i was looking for

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wagnerrp:

filesystem hierarchy standard

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fukdnscerd:

ahh

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fukdnscerd:

i thought the main point of /var was to hold "dynamic data" such as log files and temp files!!

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wagnerrp:

yeah... small stuff

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exelnet:

heya. how can i use mplayer as alternate player? i tried "mplayer -fs %s" but this isnt working as expected

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wagnerrp:

where are you trying to use mplayer?

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exelnet:

i get the no stream found to handle myth:// error in the frontend log

[20:05:29]

exelnet:

playing back videos

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wagnerrp:

and you read the wiki page for mythvideo?

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exelnet:

i read the part about the external player. and it doesnt even say which wildcard should be used

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exelnet:

so my guess was with some googling %s

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fukdnscerd:

i had that problem the other day, and had to disable the storage group on the backend, and set only the video directories on the frontend. I would love to see it fixed tho

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wagnerrp:

you understand what storage groups do, right?

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fukdnscerd:

%s is not necessary, as it is appended to the end of the command line if it is not other wise specified

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fukdnscerd:

wagnerp: not exaclty

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wagnerrp:

they allow content to be managed by the backend, rather than the frontend

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wagnerrp:

which means that if the frontend cannot find the content on the local file system

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wagnerrp:

it gets pushed across the network from the backend

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wagnerrp:

eliminating the need for NFS when using multiple frontends

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fukdnscerd:

thats kinda what i figured... though for me the internal player and the mplayer as an alternate gave errors when trying to play the stream

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wagnerrp:

which means.... you can only use a player which understands how to stream from the backend

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wagnerrp:

which pretty much limits you to the internal player

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exelnet:

yeah and i storage group do not look like a solution to me...

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fukdnscerd:

the internal choked for me with the same error

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stoth:

iamlindoro: My moaning and groaning about comm flag crashing turned into 2gb of bad ram.

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stoth:

iamlindoro: leading to corrupt filesystems and other such nonesense.

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stoth:

iamlindoro: hopefully fixed now.

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wagnerrp:

stoth: heh... could be worse

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stoth:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i lost about 55k hours of CPU time (and a week of my own) at work because one of the memory chips went bad in one of the compute nodes i was using

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stoth:

nasty

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stoth:

I lost my rootfs, meaeing a few hours of recovery, zero mysql damage – which is good.

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fukdnscerd:

wagnerrp: so the internal player should have no problems when using storage groups??

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wagnerrp:

exelnet, fukdnscerd: expect local file support and external players to be dropped shortly after ISO playback gets fixed

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: yes, the internal player will have no problem when using storage groups

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wagnerrp:

assuming it doesnt outright have a problem with the content

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wagnerrp:

in which case if the content plays with other players and not the internal one, file a ticket and youll probably need to post a chunk of the file that can reliably break the internal player

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fukdnscerd:

ok ill have to give it another go, I have been waiting for such functionality for some time, tho i havent been keeping up with t either. The file played fine from localfs using the internal player. I'll try again when i get a chance and see whats going on.

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wagnerrp:

is it an ISO?

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wagnerrp:

or just a normal video?

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wagnerrp:

ISOs do not currently work over storage groups

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wagnerrp:

which is why local file support has not been removed

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fukdnscerd:

ok, I think it was an iso.. not sure tho

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wagnerrp:

its a problem with the dvd playback library that mythtv pulls in

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exelnet:

well if the internal player could play all kind of videos perfectly... it would be fine

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wagnerrp:

it requires block access to the file

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wagnerrp:

which needs to be worked around

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exelnet:

or if mythtv would use a stream other player understand...

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wagnerrp:

exelnet: the socket protocol is very simple

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wagnerrp:

i could explain it to someone who knows their way around sockets in a couple minutes

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wagnerrp:

and someone familiar with mplayer could probably write a reader for it in an afternoon

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fukdnscerd:

definitely not my specialty??

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fukdnscerd:

!!

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exelnet:

well maybe... but isnt there a stream protocol which can be used... i kind of like standard for this stuff

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exelnet:

hrhr :=)

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magis75:

Quick question for a MythTV newb. Before going through a full MythTV install, is there a way to determine if the HVR-2250 I just installed actually took hold on my system? Not sure if there's a lightweight TV application somewhere

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wagnerrp:

magis75: do you have a pair of directories in /dev/dvb?

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wagnerrp:

adapter0 and adapter1

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fukdnscerd:

tho i think with the popularity of mplayer we should probably expect to see one shortly after the local fs support is removed

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magis75:

yes, one for eacha adapter

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wagnerrp:

magis75: then youre probably safe

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magis75:

perfect, thx

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: that protocol has been used for recordings for several years already

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fukdnscerd:

wagnerrp: are recordings restricted to the internal viewer or is mplayer an option? just curious

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend restricts them to the internal player

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wagnerrp:

however that doesnt prevent you from accessing them directly on your own

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wagnerrp:

and in fact doing just that through Mythweb and DSMyth used to be the standard way of playing recordings on Windows

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wagnerrp:

mythweb would supply the links

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wagnerrp:

DSMyth would handle reading them, and feed them to any directshow capable player on Windows

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fukdnscerd:

so the streaming of content from storage groups, that sounds a lot like upnp to me

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fukdnscerd:

no?

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[R]:

it is availalbe over a upnp server...

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wagnerrp:

UPNP exists more for autodetection and enumeration of content and servers

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wagnerrp:

i believe it just uses http for actually streaming the content

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fukdnscerd:

i see..

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[R]:

i really want to test out this tcp keepaliave thing that got committed into trunk

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[R]:

my backend running for 4 days straight is not fun

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wagnerrp:

[R]: whats that?

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[R]:

if a socket doesnt get closed properly, it stays open indefintely

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[R]:

this patch lets the kernel do keepalive on it and then close it if its dead

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wagnerrp:

you mean for livetv?

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[R]:

well thats one use

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[R]:

but i dont use livetv, and it still effects me

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you mean something gets left open in 'Playback' mode, so the backend never shuts itself down

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MythBorked:

I'm having problems with playback of videos in 0.22 every thing is slow, chopyy and the audio is super slow (like a record playing on a slower speed). I think it's the storage groups problem but I turned off all of my storage groups in mythtv-setup except the one for recordings and I'm still having the issue. Can anyone help?

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fukdnscerd:

is the association of video/video cover/fanart/etc. something that is kept in the db?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yup

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: yes

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[R]:

MythBorked: playback of what exactly?

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wagnerrp:

on what hardware

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but i need to come up with a test case to demonstrate it before i put the patch in

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but i'm sick right now and not feeling like doing much

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fukdnscerd:

assuming no db upgrade should that association still be intact if mythtv were upgraded say from repo version to svn

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MythBorked:

[R], its all high def stuff, 720 or 1080P. It all played perfectly until I had to do a clean reload of the system.

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wagnerrp:

'high def stuff' is meaningless

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wagnerrp:

are we talking mpeg2, asp, h264? what bitrates?

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wagnerrp:

what is your CPU?

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[R]:

fukdnscerd: you can never assume no db upgrade when doing that

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MythBorked:

wagnerrp, it's a mic of mkv and mp4 files

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[R]:

fukdnscerd: that would mean pretty much nothing changed

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wagnerrp:

MythBorked: again... meaningless

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wagnerrp:

what codecs, what bitrates

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MythBorked:

not sure, how would I get that info from one of them. I know one is a particular problem.

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wagnerrp:

'ffmpeg -i', or 'mplayer --identify --frames 0'

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MythBorked:

ok, one sec

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fukdnscerd:

ok, I upgraded the current version of mythtv in the ubuntu 9.1 repo to the current svn release. Everything else remained in tact except the metadata, ie.. fanart videocovers etc. are no longer associated with the corresponding videos

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: moving from 0.22 to trunk should have no issues

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wagnerrp:

did you happen to move from storage groups to local file access (or opposite) at the same time?

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fukdnscerd:

when i did the upgrade thats when i noticed the error trying to play streams from storage groups... so yes at that point i did change to local fs, but the data was not there before i switched either tho

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22, when you switch between the two, ALL of your data is flushed

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, it does an abbreviated hash

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wagnerrp:

so mythvideo can now recognize when content has moved

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fukdnscerd:

ok, well im in the process of trying to switch back to storage groups now, so I guess I will just have to redo all the metadata

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MythBorked:

wagnerrp, {R} – 'ffmpeg -i' gives me "Duration: 01:56:32.68, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1790 kb/s"

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MythBorked:

not sure of codec though

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[R]:

ffmpeg -i shows 1 line?

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MythBorked:

lol, no, let me pastebin the whole thing

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wagnerrp:

1790kbps of just about anything should be fairly trivial on any hardware from this decade (VIA excluded)

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wagnerrp:

and anyone running 'HD' at that bitrate would be a fool

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MythBorked:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/389843/

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it's illegal content... what do you expect

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wagnerrp:

1280x720 at 1790kbps...

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wagnerrp:

thats pathetic

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MythBorked:

thanks, can we tackle the actual issue?

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wagnerrp:

the actual issue would be teaching you how to transcode things properly

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wagnerrp:

would that fix your problem?

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MythBorked:

wagnerrp, no, because there are dozens of these in different formats from different sources and all do the same thing. Plus they all played PERFECTLY before the reload. So good root cause analysis concludes something changed in the reload that is the problem.

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wagnerrp:

if you didnt encode that video yourself, we cant help you

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[R]:

and boom goes the dynamite

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[R]:

and that is totally correct usage for it :)

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MythBorked:

Oh that's right I forgot. This place ceased being useful years ago. I don't know what I was thinking. I'll leave you to your asshattery.

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

so our usefulness is dependent on helping him play his pirated and horribly broken content?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

nahhhh

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro

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[R]:

wtf... if i do a kill -9 on the frontend... the backend still recognizes that the socket closed... how do i make it think its still open!?

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wagnerrp:

-9 should do it

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt give the process time to clean up the socket

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[R]:

well i see "shutting down in 120 seconds" on the backend log

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[R]:

what if i shutdown the box while its playing...

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[R]:

that should do it

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[R]:

but that requires me getting up... blah

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wagnerrp:

nah

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wagnerrp:

you have the python bindings installed?

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[R]:

probably

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wagnerrp:

open them up... 'import MythBE' and 'be = MythBE(type='Playback')'

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wagnerrp:

then just -9 the python interpreter

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[R]:

ah... nice idea

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fukdnscerd:

so to switch from localfs to storage groups, i should just be able to remove my video dirs from the mythvideo setup page and make sure they are setup on the backend right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

you will have to rescan to get the updated locations

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fukdnscerd:

answered my next question before i could ask it!! good one

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wagnerrp:

and if you are running 0.22, or have not scanned your content since changing to trunk, it will flush all your metadata in the process

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i dont have trunk...

[21:03:26]

wagnerrp:

i thought you did... well then youre screwed

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you can try to bring the FE into livetv over the telnet socket

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[R]:

i'll just cut the power to the box

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[R]:

while its playing

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fukdnscerd:

ouch, ok.... VideoOutput, Error: Not compiled with any useable video output method

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fukdnscerd:

i assume i must have been missing some libraries when compiliing

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fukdnscerd:

or forgot a switch

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[R]:

damnit... stupid hal is doing a graceful shutdown with my power button

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[R]:

time to really cut the power...

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Beirdo:

[R]: language please :)

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Beirdo:

although I DO understand yer frustration

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[R]:

is that really a swear? hrm

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[R]:

sorry

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fukdnscerd:

is vdpau a hardware thing or is that a library that i am missing??

[21:10:35]

wagnerrp:

both

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wagnerrp:

it requires an 8-series or better nvidia card

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fukdnscerd:

k

[21:11:06]

wagnerrp:

and it either requires the 180 or 185 branches of the nvidia drivers

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Beirdo:

I think ngspice is on crack

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wagnerrp:

or the 190/195 branches, with libvdpau

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fukdnscerd:

well i got an fx5500 so its definitely out of my reach for now

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[R]:

ok, physically cutting the power looks like it got a write error but the socket stayed open

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[R]:

now to copmile the patch in

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wagnerrp:

you wrote a patch against -fixes?

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[R]:

no, its a patch aginst trunk

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[R]:

but its like 5 lines

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[R]:

just to enable the TCP keepalive option

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[R]:

i'm assuming it'll just apply... if not, i'm sure it would be trivial to make it work

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fukdnscerd:

how about xvmc vld and xvmc pro? I don't see libraries in my repo for them

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[R]:

its not gonna do you much good

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[R]:

so yo ucan ignore it

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wagnerrp:

those are just part of the nvidia drivers

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wagnerrp:

and unless you absolutely need them to play your recordings, they should not be used

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fukdnscerd:

ok

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fukdnscerd:

ok, the Internal player gave this error: VideoOutput, Error: Not compiled with any useable video output method

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wagnerrp:

what was your configure line?

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fukdnscerd:

i compiled with the default options

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fukdnscerd:

i was missing xvmc libraries, would that cause it?

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wagnerrp:

what playback profile are you using?

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fukdnscerd:

not sure hang on

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fukdnscerd:

how do i tell?

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wagnerrp:

its in the frontend options

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wagnerrp:

tv settings, playback, third path... i think

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fukdnscerd:

cpu+

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fukdnscerd:

the tv playback profile affect mythvideo playback

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fukdnscerd:

?

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wagnerrp:

change it to slim

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fukdnscerd:

no dice, still the same error

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wagnerrp:

somehow youve manage to compile without Xv support

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fukdnscerd:

ok, i found an xv librarie that i didnt have when compiling.... ill try compiling again, see ya in about two hours lol

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fukdnscerd:

what am i missing without libfftw3

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fukdnscerd:

and fribidi formatting

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wagnerrp:

fftw3 is only needed for some stuff in mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

i dont even know what the second one is

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iamlindoro:

fftw is used for resampling/some quality improvements in timestretch

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iamlindoro:

fribidi is for right to left text like arabic etc.

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fukdnscerd:

i just found that and was about to post it, thanks iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt realize it was used in main myth

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fukdnscerd:

what library is required for firewire support? I installed libavc1394-dev, but still no support

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[R]:

fukdnscerd: you have a firewire tuner?

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fukdnscerd:

no, but who knows maybe someday... figured id save the hassle of having to recompile

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[R]:

you think you're going to stay with the same version of myth for that long?

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wagnerrp:

some people still run 0.18 and 0.19

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wagnerrp:

although i cant fathom why

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bjd:

if it aint broke ...

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fukdnscerd:

good point, it would be good to already have the library installed tho. When/if i do get a firewire tuner that will probably be the last solution that comes to mind

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[R]:

you're not going to

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[R]:

lol

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fukdnscerd:

lol... ok!!

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metalac:

hey guys, where in the hell is the place where i tell myth where to store recordings?

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metalac:

i can't find it at all

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metalac:

i'm on 0.22

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unixSnob:

do I tell lirc to use the device /dev/lirc, or /dev/irguanaIR/0?

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[R]:

metalac: its in the storage groups thing in mythtv-setup

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[R]:

unixSnob: ls -l /dev/lirc

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metalac:

[R]: thanks this store groups thing is new to 0.22, right?

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[R]:

metalac: yes

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iamlindoro:

for recordings, no

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iamlindoro:

it has been there for some time

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[R]:

really?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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unixSnob:

[R]: No such file or directory.. guess that answers my question. Silly that that device is hardcoded in the /etc/init.d/lirc script

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wagnerrp:

since... 0.20?

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iamlindoro:

Storage Groups have been used for recordings since .20, yup

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[R]:

unixSnob: sounds like your dist is pretty trashy

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unixSnob:

[R]: yeah, it's etch.. I had to build lirc from a tarball because the latest deb version is too old.. it's been quite painful

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wagnerrp:

i bet MythBorked's problem was that faad issue...

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[R]:

should i be using trunk... or just wait till 23... if i upgrade now, the transition to 23 should be smoother than just jumping in right away...

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[R]:

decisions decisions...

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wagnerrp:

no it wont

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[R]:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

were already in the freeze

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[R]:

so tahts a good thing...

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wagnerrp:

its very unlikely there will be any schema bumps that would make the transition 'rougher'

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[R]:

well i'm saying if i take the time now

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[R]:

then later on it'll be easy

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[R]:

but i guess it'll be about the same if i do it now vs later

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[R]:

?

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unixSnob:

i read somewhere that it's possible to see IR signals through a camera — would that work with poor quality webcam?

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[R]:

unixSnob: why would you want to look at ir?

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wagnerrp:

unixSnob: should work with just about CCD camera

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fukdnscerd:

anyone know what the minimum sys reqs are for the current debian?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: to make sure its working

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unixSnob:

yeah.. make sure it's working

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: im sure debian can run on some pretty marginal hardware

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wagnerrp:

do you mean the current system reqs for mythtv?

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[R]:

make sure whats wroking?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: whatever is sending IR

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unixSnob:

[R]: the hardware.. I'm not sure I'm sending anything

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fukdnscerd:

no, sorry wagnerrp, im getting off topic

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fukdnscerd:

wagnerrp i have an old old old laptop that im settin up for my 5 yr old son, and I'm trying to find a distro to run on it.

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wagnerrp:

how old is old

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fukdnscerd:

its so old, my main issue is getting it to boot from cd lol... hang on ill check

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wagnerrp:

most distros should do just fine on anything Pentium class or better

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wagnerrp:

you may have some trouble with 486 hardware

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[R]:

fedora requires 686

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wagnerrp:

which means nearly all pentium hardware

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wagnerrp:

only the original pentiums were pre i686

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wagnerrp:

so pentium pro or better i guess

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fukdnscerd:

its a pentium 1 133 MHz

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wagnerrp:

thats probably pre-pro

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fukdnscerd:

its running redhat 6.1 right now and i hate it!! what can i say im a debian kind of guy lol

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fukdnscerd:

72MB of ram..maxed!!!

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fukdnscerd:

maybe ill just by a newer used one for him!

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Beirdo:

yay, got ngspice to like my circuit finally

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jamesd2:

72MB of ram... i have boxes with 10times that much ram, that i dont power on because they aren't interesting... i have virtual hosts that have more ram.

[22:02:21]

Beirdo:

on the 4th redesign

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Beirdo:

4 MOSFETs, 1 NPN per channel :)

[22:02:45]

Beirdo:

oh and an opamp

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fukdnscerd:

jamesd2: its for a 5 yr old, hes not gonna be doing much more than playing games, maybe an emulator or something, if it can even handle that!! lol

[22:03:30]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you think people will be disappointed if I make the box only transmit on one transmitter at a time and do them in order?

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fukdnscerd:

Beirdo: what are you building

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: power budgeting?

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Beirdo:

not building it yet, but USB 4-way IR transmitter

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Beirdo:

yeah, primarily... and I could put down ONE circuit and share it

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wagnerrp:

depends on how long the signals take

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Beirdo:

be a lot smaller parts count :)

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jamesd2:

fukdnscerd, i have a 10year old with 2GB of ram and 2x300mhz 64bit cpus ... that isn't powered on

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Beirdo:

true, how long are remote bursts usually, any idea?

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wagnerrp:

jamesd2: Alpha?

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jamesd2:

wagnerrp, sun ultra 2

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jamesd2:

still quite usable.. but i have other sun machines that have twice the ram and 4 times as far... and x86 ... 2.4ghz vs 300mhz....

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jamesd2:

er s/far/fast/

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fukdnscerd:

i got a 4xpentium xeon 700MHz, 2GBRam machine thats collecting dust.. Makes a great myth backend, just don't have the need right now

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Beirdo:

tzanger: finally got it to behave... got a current servo followed by a current mirror with my on/off switching in between the transistor pair

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Beirdo:

now I get to draw up a schematic again from the spice nodelist :)

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Beirdo:

back annotation FTW... doing it manually so far

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: seems 'transmit time' is the one thing my harmony doesnt let me tweek

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, I'll go read up, but I think usually it's in the realm of 100s of ms max

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Beirdo:

i.e. << 1s of burst

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Beirdo:

my current design requires about 600us to ramp up the current pump (essentially)

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fukdnscerd:

Beirdo: you mean like a 360 degree transmitter?

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wagnerrp:

im going to take a rough guess and say the device usually reacts in <100ms

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Beirdo:

fukdnscerd: no.

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wagnerrp:

fukdnscerd: as in four independent blasters

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fukdnscerd:

seperate rooms/

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Beirdo:

I mean like put the IR LEDs in front of 4 boxes

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wagnerrp:

which can be taped onto multiple devices

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fukdnscerd:

?

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fukdnscerd:

ok

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fukdnscerd:

i got you

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Beirdo:

if you want to run super long cables, sure

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

say youve got four STBs that youre recording off of

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wagnerrp:

thats one box needed to control them all

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Beirdo:

rather than 4 hacked up serial port transmitters, etc

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fukdnscerd:

i see and i assume all boxes are the same and/or similar and the ir codes are the same between them eliminating an ir flooder as a possibility?

[22:11:02]

Beirdo:

and the biggest PAIN for me in the design is the capability to turn down the current to the transmitter

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

they will be individually programmable

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fukdnscerd:

why not use a flooder?

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Beirdo:

because... think about it

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Beirdo:

you have 4 tuners

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Beirdo:

you want to record 4 different programs

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Beirdo:

one on each box... not the same on all 4r

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Beirdo:

and if they are of the same manufacture... flooding would cause all 4 to receive the same channel change command

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awalls:

Why is limiting current an issue?

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Beirdo:

omg.. :) why do people keep asking that :)

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Beirdo:

because many IR receivers are easily over-powered

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awalls:

Voltage regulator + resistor

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

I want to be able to turn it down under software control

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Beirdo:

individually

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fukdnscerd:

oh well thats what i meant earlier when i asked if the ir signals are the same between boxes...

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Beirdo:

and I'm not gonna do it by wasting power with resistors and voltage regulators :)

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Beirdo:

I intend to be driving this off USB power

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Beirdo:

which is why if I can make it sequential (i.e. not do the transmissions in parallel) I think we'll end up with a far more stable box

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Beirdo:

and cheaper to make too

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awalls:

Lower duty cycle would make the light dimmer

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Beirdo:

lower duty cycle would break remote control signals

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** awalls wonders if there are plastics than can be used to dim/scatter IR light **

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Beirdo:

remote control signals are 38kHz pulses (most of em)

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awalls:

Yes. 25% duty cycle too.

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Beirdo:

not much room to mess with that if you want the receiver to understand you

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wagnerrp:

you would have to run PWM in the several hundred kHz range to not risk breaking things

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

400kHz

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Beirdo:

and with a 2kHz LPF

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Beirdo:

I've simulated it, it's pretty decent :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

takes about 600uS to get from 0V on the capacitor to final value

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Beirdo:

which is OK for this application

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Beirdo:

just turn on the PWM, wait 1ms, then start transmitting

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Beirdo:

that reminds me, must add a bleed resistor :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

anyways... if the remote control bursts are short enough, they user likely won't even realize that they aren't all being sent simultaneously

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Beirdo:

25ms total for RC-5

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Beirdo:

I think I'm good

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Beirdo:

as long as repeats can work (barely) for all 4 "simultaneously", and they happen every 113ms

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fukdnscerd:

wow, only 45 min to compile mythtv this time

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Beirdo:

so should be able to multiplex all 4 from one set of IOs

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metalac:

so i replace a mobo today and now my hvr-2250 won't work

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metalac:

it shows up in lspci and hdpvr module is loaded, but no video

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metalac:

i tried recompiling the module and all that, but no change

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[R]:

the hdpvr module is loaded?

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[R]:

you sure about that?

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metalac:

it's there when i type lsmod

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[R]:

and you're wondering why it's not working?

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[R]:

you DO know an hvr-2250 isn't an hdpvr... right?

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metalac:

oh damn

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metalac:

sorry i'm dealing with 2 problems :D

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metalac:

saa is not loaded

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metalac:

both of my hdpvr and hvr -2250 are not working after motherboard change

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Beirdo:

heya kormoc :)

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Tomas-_:

any DVB-S users awake?

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[R]:

Tomas-: do you have an actual question?

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Tomas-:

[R]: ofcourse, I was running a DVB-C setup and are switching to -S now and are experiencing choppy video/sound, signal 74% S/N 4.8dB .. I'm wondering if I should concentrate on cable or if it could be v4l-dvb issues

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[R]:

if you do a recording and play it outside of myth

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[R]:

do you still have the same problems?

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[R]:

what kind of codec and bitrate is it using?

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Tomas-:

haven't tried, just livetv for now

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Tomas-:

mpeg2, standard SD

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Tomas-:

same hardware was running fine with 4 dvb-c tuners, now i'm just testing the setup with one dvb-s tuner

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Tomas-:

so, just what signal % should I be aiming for? using szap I get no ber or uncorrectable errors

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[R]:

if there is no errors, then your signal is fine

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[R]:

what errors are in the backend adn frontend when yo usee this problem

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Tomas-:

I'll take a look

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Tomas-:

(just tried a radio channel, that worked fine)

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Tomas-:

nothing in the backend, frontend says prebuffer timed out, ringbuf waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available

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Tomas-:

nothing in dmesg on backend

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[R]:

ok so if you record

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Tomas-:

I'll check with szap again

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[R]:

what happens

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Tomas-:

I'll try

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Tomas-:

Ok, tuner recording, I'll give it a minute

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Tomas-:

There are gaps in the mpeg stream in the recording also

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[R]:

gaps?

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Tomas-:

http://pastebin.com/chmjA6zs obvious that the signal is not stable

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Tomas-:

I mean that the errors in livetv was present also in the recording

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[R]:

what if you use something thats not mythtv

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Tomas-:

I'll try to use dvbstreamer -o > file and then play it with mplayer?

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Tomas-:

szap + dvbstreamer

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Tomas-:

I cant get dvbstreamer or mplayer to work.. I'll have to google for another way

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Tomas-:

[R]: managed to get mplayer to dump the stream and same problem there, and mplayer is complaining about mpeg2 errors

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[R]:

well ther you go

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[R]:

nothing to do with myth

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Tomas-:

so?

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Tomas-:

That was my initial question, how high signal % is good enough, I never thought it was mythtv's fault

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[R]:

this is mythtv support though...

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Tomas-:

well, yes, but there is alot of components to make it work

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[R]:

if your hardware is fundamentally flawed...

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Tomas-:

lol

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Tomas-:

I can't understand the attitude in this channel

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Tomas-:

thanks for your help

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iamlindoro:

Tomas-, nobody is going to be able to tell you a percentage or "magic number" that will make it work

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iamlindoro:

you'll need to improve dish aim, most likely

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Tomas-:

since it has been working perfectly with a STB I doubt that

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iamlindoro:

but the only sure thing one can say is that you'll need to improve your SNR/aim/etc. until it begins to work, then you'll know what the threshhold is for your equipment and location

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Tomas-:

but i'll check the cables again

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iamlindoro:

STB != DVB-S card

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Tomas-:

yeah,, signal and snr is what I'll be looking at

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