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| [00:02:17] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
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| [01:34:46] | iamlindoro: | A custom rule is totally unnecessary for the above |
| [01:35:01] | iamlindoro: | Just record cops at any time on any channel, and set the filter to new episodes only, no repeats |
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| [01:35:26] | iamlindoro: | Then you will only get first-air episodes, even if fox plays then on an unusual night, moves the show, or whatever |
| [01:36:21] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i cleaned up a function and added 27 lines |
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| [01:47:07] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: nice work |
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| [02:40:13] | sark666: | i wanted to share some videos that are on a windows box, to my myth box. i thought about upnp, but from what I read, myth is only a upnp server and cannot act as a client. is that correct? |
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| [02:40:31] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [02:40:43] | wagnerrp: | the only way to do what you want is to share them over windows file sharing |
| [02:40:56] | wagnerrp: | mount them with the CIFS file system module |
| [02:41:06] | wagnerrp: | and use them as normal |
| [02:41:25] | wagnerrp: | supposedly theres some 'djmount' which will let you use UPnP servers as a file system, but ive never used it |
| [02:41:40] | sark666: | ok |
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| [03:24:41] | ** Beirdo is dreaming up his next embedded systems project ** | |
| [03:25:07] | Beirdo: | think USB... little box... say 8 IR transmitters and an IR receiver |
| [03:25:15] | awalls: | !trout Beirdo |
| [03:25:15] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of awalls... ** | |
| [03:25:21] | awalls: | Wake up. |
| [03:25:25] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [03:25:30] | Beirdo: | !trout awalls |
| [03:25:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps awalls with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [03:25:43] | Beirdo: | This device would be cool. |
| [03:25:47] | Beirdo: | and quite useful |
| [03:25:56] | wagnerrp: | well... maybe half of one |
| [03:25:57] | awalls: | dreaming of IR blasters? |
| [03:26:02] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you would do with eight |
| [03:26:10] | Beirdo: | well, up to 8 :) |
| [03:26:25] | Beirdo: | that could be scalable... or negotiable :) |
| [03:26:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:26:35] | Beirdo: | 8 is a nice round number, that's all |
| [03:26:50] | Beirdo: | so is 4 :) |
| [03:27:19] | Beirdo: | the reciever would be for capturing codes from the remote |
| [03:27:20] | awalls: | only in base 2 4 or 8 |
| [03:27:38] | Beirdo: | embedded systems usually are byte-oriented :) |
| [03:27:53] | Beirdo: | 8 GPIO -> 8 IR |
| [03:27:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:27:58] | Beirdo: | but whatever |
| [03:28:20] | Beirdo: | but screw serial ports... USB :) |
| [03:29:04] | Beirdo: | if I get that working, I'd likely even do like the linuxstamp things... |
| [03:29:18] | Beirdo: | make them for people for a price... or let you make your own |
| [03:29:39] | Beirdo: | but I'm warning ya, you better like soldering surface-mount components :) |
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| [03:29:54] | Beirdo: | that processor's not gonna be through-hole |
| [03:29:59] | ** awalls can't afford wave soldering machines ** | |
| [03:30:09] | Beirdo: | nah, not talking BGA |
| [03:30:13] | Beirdo: | I'm not insane :) |
| [03:30:23] | Beirdo: | TQFP or the like |
| [03:30:38] | Beirdo: | fine pitch, but perfectly possible to do by hand |
| [03:31:48] | Beirdo: | anyways, I think there'd be a decent market for such a device |
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| [03:32:24] | Beirdo: | and it would be fun to make |
| [03:32:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:32:47] | awalls: | Seems like a universal remote that presses all the buttons at once. |
| [03:33:16] | Beirdo: | seems like a way for mythtv to control multiple cable/satellite/whatever boxes for recording :) |
| [03:33:44] | Beirdo: | the transmitters would obviously need to be on wires that you mount by the receiving box |
| [03:33:55] | Beirdo: | the actual LED that is |
| [03:34:10] | wagnerrp: | i think there would be a decent market for the stick-on transmitters alone |
| [03:34:17] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | its so hard to find spare ones of those |
| [03:34:23] | wagnerrp: | you can only get a full unit |
| [03:34:37] | awalls: | wireless stick on transmitters... ;) |
| [03:34:37] | wagnerrp: | which makes no sense because the MCEUSBs support 2, but only ship with one |
| [03:34:45] | Beirdo: | hmmm, yeah the physical part will be tricky :) |
| [03:34:54] | wagnerrp: | awalls: infrared powered? |
| [03:34:54] | Beirdo: | have to find a supplier :) |
| [03:35:03] | awalls: | :) |
| [03:35:08] | Beirdo: | what connector is on the end of that cable, BTW? |
| [03:35:35] | wagnerrp: | standard 3.5mm mono plug |
| [03:35:45] | Beirdo: | perfect :) |
| [03:35:45] | awalls: | My HP OEM one looks like it takes a small mono plug. |
| [03:36:02] | wagnerrp: | although i couldnt tell you the polarity |
| [03:36:16] | wagnerrp: | i assume center ground is standard |
| [03:36:21] | Beirdo: | that's easy enough to test though once it got to that |
| [03:36:27] | Beirdo: | fairly :) |
| [03:36:33] | ** awalls is too lazy to get his ohmmeter ** | |
| [03:36:36] | Beirdo: | for audio anyways |
| [03:36:39] | wagnerrp: | what voltage should this thing run at? |
| [03:36:51] | wagnerrp: | i could just hook a battery up, and point it at my cell camera |
| [03:36:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:36:59] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [03:37:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:37:25] | wagnerrp: | any likelihood 1.5 would burn out a LED? |
| [03:37:37] | Beirdo: | I think most IR LEDs need about 3V... but it's the current that matters |
| [03:37:49] | Beirdo: | it could |
| [03:37:54] | awalls: | avoid reverse bias |
| [03:37:57] | wagnerrp: | actually... ive got an ohmmeter on the desk next to me |
| [03:38:02] | Beirdo: | reverse is off |
| [03:38:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its a diode |
| [03:38:11] | Beirdo: | it's a diode |
| [03:38:17] | awalls: | or breakdown at too high a voltage |
| [03:38:18] | wagnerrp: | reverse, and it does nothing |
| [03:38:29] | Beirdo: | 1.5V won't be breakdown |
| [03:38:29] | wagnerrp: | assuming you dont punch so much voltage through so as to destroy it |
| [03:38:33] | awalls: | dead diode |
| [03:38:51] | Beirdo: | forward you have to worry about current limiting so it doesn't fry |
| [03:39:28] | Beirdo: | but for a SHORT time, I would expect a AA to be safe almost |
| [03:39:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:39:46] | wagnerrp: | looks like the diode is already dead |
| [03:39:55] | Beirdo: | I used to solder a resistor to a diode for a cheap voltage tester |
| [03:40:05] | wagnerrp: | that or the battery on this meter is so low, i cant pick anything up |
| [03:40:28] | wagnerrp: | direct pin-to-pin is registering 20kohm |
| [03:40:42] | Beirdo: | is there a diode tester on the meter? |
| [03:40:55] | wagnerrp: | no, its a very old unit |
| [03:40:59] | Beirdo: | dang |
| [03:41:08] | awalls: | Analog movement? |
| [03:41:10] | awalls: | :) |
| [03:41:35] | awalls: | That should be just fine. |
| [03:41:39] | Beirdo: | I had one LED-based voltage detector.. :) |
| [03:41:40] | wagnerrp: | holy crap |
| [03:41:49] | wagnerrp: | the battery is half eaten away on the inside |
| [03:41:57] | Beirdo: | red one way, green the other... and a resistor |
| [03:42:02] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [03:42:06] | Beirdo: | that's not good |
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| [03:42:21] | wagnerrp: | a bit amazed it worked at all |
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| [03:42:36] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [03:44:21] | Beirdo: | hey, you want Ethernet on this baby? ;) |
| [03:44:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:44:30] | Beirdo: | that'd be insane |
| [03:45:28] | Beirdo: | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dk . . . A1128-AUT-ND |
| [03:45:32] | Beirdo: | niiice |
| [03:45:49] | Beirdo: | overkill, but nice |
| [03:46:07] | wagnerrp: | ive heard people rave over the little arduino systems |
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| [03:48:57] | Beirdo: | neat |
| [03:49:11] | Beirdo: | I still wanna spin my own toy :) |
| [03:49:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:50:08] | Beirdo: | those do look cool though |
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| [03:50:53] | Beirdo: | the AVR32 is SO overpowered |
| [03:51:09] | wagnerrp: | http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209565937 |
| [03:51:15] | Beirdo: | bet you could nearly run Linux on it |
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| [03:52:47] | Beirdo: | yeah, but I don't want some crappy language either :) |
| [03:52:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [03:53:47] | wagnerrp: | looks like C to me... didnt think you were a sufficiently old fogey to kick those non-assembler whipper snappers off your front channel |
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| [03:54:08] | Beirdo: | I LOVE doing assembly :) |
| [03:54:23] | Beirdo: | embedded systems software is my #1 passion geek-wise |
| [03:55:02] | Beirdo: | it is cool though, I may score one of those anyways :) |
| [03:55:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [03:55:24] | Beirdo: | I still have a mental design for an AVR-based time source for NTP |
| [03:55:37] | Beirdo: | using the time signals off shortwave radio |
| [03:55:52] | clever: | ah, i was thinking in the direction of the PPS signal from a gps |
| [03:56:11] | Beirdo: | but doing DSP filters in hand assembly... painful |
| [03:56:34] | Beirdo: | I had it (in simulation) 95% complete |
| [03:56:42] | Beirdo: | the Atmel rep was shocked |
| [03:56:43] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:56:48] | clever: | lol |
| [03:57:15] | Beirdo: | and then my boss decided that he as tired paying for a pet project... and laid me off |
| [03:57:25] | Beirdo: | as he had no work for us that was paid |
| [03:57:33] | Beirdo: | dang |
| [03:58:44] | Beirdo: | wonder if the AVR32UC3 is low enough power to be USB-bus powered :) |
| [04:00:28] | Beirdo: | wow. |
| [04:00:32] | Beirdo: | 36mA |
| [04:00:36] | wagnerrp: | seems center is hot |
| [04:00:41] | wagnerrp: | thats backwards |
| [04:00:42] | Beirdo: | I'll take that as a yes |
| [04:01:08] | wagnerrp: | at least for headphones |
| [04:01:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:01:44] | wagnerrp: | this thing has an extremely high resistance |
| [04:02:16] | Beirdo: | they likely put the current limiting resistor in the package with the LED |
| [04:02:23] | Beirdo: | be a sensible thing to do |
| [04:02:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [04:04:15] | Beirdo: | Apparently my fit-pc2 arrived in Dorado today |
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| [04:04:31] | Beirdo: | I'm in Moca during the work week though, so I have to wait for the weekend |
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| [04:11:38] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [04:11:45] | Beirdo: | you CAN run Linux on the AVR32 |
| [04:11:55] | Beirdo: | a pretty stripped down one, I bet |
| [04:15:53] | clever: | does it have an MMU? |
| [04:16:07] | Beirdo: | it uses uLibc |
| [04:16:14] | Beirdo: | er uClibc |
| [04:16:19] | Beirdo: | and I don't think so |
| [04:16:27] | clever: | without a MMU you have to drop fork() |
| [04:16:36] | clever: | ive read about this before with cellphone ports of linux |
| [04:16:51] | Beirdo: | with 128kB of code space, that's not an issue |
| [04:17:06] | clever: | vfork() can fake MMU support |
| [04:18:08] | Beirdo: | it can run mplayer |
| [04:18:09] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [04:18:17] | Beirdo: | Oooh, I think I like this cho |
| [04:18:20] | Beirdo: | chip |
| [04:18:51] | Beirdo: | the UC3 series is not supported YET |
| [04:18:54] | Beirdo: | awww |
| [04:19:24] | Beirdo: | but some others are... in mainline linux kernel too |
| [04:19:43] | Beirdo: | ahh, the AP7 has MMU |
| [04:19:51] | Beirdo: | OK, let's take a look at teh AP7 :) |
| [04:21:24] | Beirdo: | all BGA |
| [04:21:31] | Beirdo: | bah bah bah :) |
| [04:21:44] | clever: | lol |
| [04:22:05] | Beirdo: | there's one LQFP, and digikey has no stock |
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| [04:23:15] | Beirdo: | no cache or MMU in the UC3 |
| [04:23:24] | Beirdo: | but oh wll :) |
| [04:23:55] | clever: | it is posible to run linux without an mmu |
| [04:24:17] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [04:24:20] | clever: | vfork() will leech off the old memory pages like it normaly does, but in read/write mode |
| [04:24:35] | clever: | once you execve(), create a new memory section somewhere else that isnt overlaping |
| [04:24:47] | Beirdo: | anyways... Linux ain't a necessity :) |
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| [04:25:31] | Beirdo: | but think how cool it could be. |
| [04:25:32] | Beirdo: | meh |
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| [04:28:48] | wagnerrp: | product placement in burn notice... apparently hundais survive trips through walls relatively unscathed |
| [04:29:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [04:58:32] | iamlindoro: | Hooray, ubuntu ditching a bunch of the godawful orange for the next release |
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| [04:59:07] | iamlindoro: | kothog, the flip-flop is no fun, time to stop flooding |
| [04:59:14] | iamlindoro: | ragghhh |
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| [05:00:22] | wagnerrp: | cant even whois in time to see where hes flooding |
| [05:00:23] | iamlindoro: | So, how many more do I give him until he gets a temp ban, hmmmm |
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| [05:00:47] | wagnerrp: | and... hes only in this channel |
| [05:01:16] | iamlindoro: | PM I guess |
| [05:05:17] | wagnerrp: | any opinion on 'Justified'? |
| [05:05:28] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [05:05:35] | wagnerrp: | some show on FX |
| [05:05:41] | wagnerrp: | guess that would be a no |
| [05:05:48] | iamlindoro: | Oh, hadn't heard of it |
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| [05:26:23] | wagnerrp: | heh... Ubisoft's new DRM scheme which requires constant connection with the auth servers was cracked in under one day |
| [05:26:56] | [R]: | shocker there |
| [05:27:21] | wagnerrp: | well the hope was that it was so pervasive in the code, it would take a while to root out |
| [05:27:28] | wagnerrp: | and, they were wrong |
| [05:27:51] | wagnerrp: | so it continues to be one more solution to screw over the paid customers |
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| [05:49:27] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: wow, it really was cracked that quickly? |
| [05:51:01] | wagnerrp: | supposedly |
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| [05:52:38] | fryfrog: | crazy |
| [05:54:42] | fryfrog: | http://hothardware.com/News/Ubisoft-Patches-A . . . Local-Saves/ |
| [05:55:07] | wagnerrp: | amazing that its illegal to store your own local save games |
| [05:55:20] | wagnerrp: | oh how far have we fallen... |
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| [06:01:39] | kormoc: | I have become pirate, storer of saved games |
| [06:03:43] | wagnerrp: | J. Robert Oppenbeard |
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| [07:40:35] | wagnerrp: | since when is 'alright' not a word? |
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| [08:01:33] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: Princeton claims it's non-standard, http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=alright |
| [08:02:07] | wagnerrp: | but responding with 'all right' just seems so awkward |
| [08:02:11] | wagnerrp: | they dont have the same meaning |
| [08:02:38] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [08:02:43] | kormoc: | and with that, it's bed time |
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| [08:04:37] | jst: | I think I'm going to bite the bullet and buy an HD PVR. What is the most reliable cable box to use with it? Motorola 6200? |
| [08:12:49] | wagnerrp: | do you really have a choice? |
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| [08:13:37] | jst: | wagnerrp, I'm not sure. I have BrightHouse (TWC) and they don't seem to list their boxes online anywhere. |
| [08:14:12] | jst: | I just want to make sure that whatever STB I get has firewire support and S/PDIF out. |
| [08:14:21] | jst: | Ohh... and that Myth can tune channels properly with it. |
| [08:14:45] | wagnerrp: | technically, thats not up to myth |
| [08:14:56] | wagnerrp: | myth just calls an external command to change channels |
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| [08:15:44] | jst: | Really? Then why are there several files under /usr/share/doc/.../channel_changers? |
| [08:15:55] | jst: | Are some of those for IR blasters? |
| [08:16:03] | wagnerrp: | those are packaged programs in contrib |
| [08:16:11] | wagnerrp: | and as with everything in contrib |
| [08:16:25] | wagnerrp: | they are in various states of abandonment |
| [08:16:32] | jst: | Ok. |
| [08:16:43] | wagnerrp: | im not saying they wont work |
| [08:16:49] | wagnerrp: | they just arent actively maintained |
| [08:16:53] | jst: | So changing channels on the STB via firewire should work with pretty much any box then? |
| [08:17:17] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, its supposed to be a standardized protocol |
| [08:17:28] | wagnerrp: | but ive got no experience with it |
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| [08:19:03] | jst: | Hmm, alright. Also, the HD PVR has options to set CBR and VBR. Why would I want one over the other? Would a high CBR always look better than a high VBR? |
| [08:19:10] | jst: | File size maybe? |
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| [08:20:07] | wagnerrp: | VBR _should_ always look better than CBR for the same bitrate |
| [08:20:25] | wagnerrp: | however apparently the quantizer in the HDPVR firmware is messed up |
| [08:20:54] | wagnerrp: | so even at full quality, bitrate is almost always less than 13.5mbps |
| [08:21:10] | jst: | Hmm... |
| [08:21:10] | wagnerrp: | so if you want best quality, leave it CBR, and 13.5mbps |
| [08:22:01] | jst: | Thanks for your help, wagnerrp. |
| [08:22:29] | jst: | Oh, do you happen to know if the firmware can only be updated through Windows? |
| [08:22:37] | wagnerrp: | thats what ive heard |
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| [08:45:41] | jst: | Hmm... looks like the HD PVR has a built-in IR receiver... Could I program my remote in LIRC to use this to control MythTV? |
| [08:45:51] | jst: | I currently have a WMC remote with dongle. |
| [08:46:09] | jst: | Remote -> HD PVR -> USB -> Mythbox |
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| [09:17:29] | justinh: | oof. now I remember why I don't drink on school nights |
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| [09:39:36] | justinh: | so, MS Word says. You want to put that chart object where? |
| [09:46:21] | justinh: | Why didn't they call it Object Linking and Randomly Placing ? |
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| [10:45:50] | Guest22591: | mythbuntu disk is full but livetv and recoding on another disk |
| [10:46:04] | Guest22591: | what could be filling / |
| [10:46:40] | Guest22591: | as its full |
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| [10:49:14] | Guest22591: | ythbuntu disk is full but livetv and recoding on another disk |
| [10:49:15] | Guest22591: | <Guest22591> what could be filling / |
| [10:49:15] | Guest22591: | <Guest22591> as its full |
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| [10:56:34] | justinh: | hmmmgggghgfhgfhgfgggjkjukljkljkljghjgjhgfhgfhgfhgf |
| [10:57:35] | Guest22591: | ythbuntu disk is full but livetv and recoding on another disk |
| [10:57:38] | Guest22591: | ythbuntu disk is full but livetv and recoding on another disk |
| [10:57:44] | Guest22591: | <Guest22591> as its full |
| [10:57:49] | Guest22591: | <Guest22591> what could be filling / |
| [10:58:53] | justinh: | Guest22591: that doesn't look like a question |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | just repeatedly saying the same nonsensical thing won't help |
| [11:00:02] | Guest22591: | mythbuntu disk is full but livetv and recordings on another disk |
| [11:00:10] | Guest22591: | what could be filling / |
| [11:00:16] | Guest22591: | hmmmgggghgfhgfhgfgggjkjukljkljkljghjgjhgfhgfhgfhgf |
| [11:00:23] | Guest22591: | thats a good question |
| [11:00:31] | justinh: | you mean the root partition is full? |
| [11:00:32] | justinh: | you'd be lucky your box still works |
| [11:00:36] | Guest22591: | those in glass hpuses should not throw stones |
| [11:00:40] | Guest22591: | yes] |
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| [11:01:02] | Guest22591: | yes / is full |
| [11:01:09] | Guest22591: | could it be logs? |
| [11:01:14] | Guest22591: | filling |
| [11:01:15] | justinh: | maybe |
| [11:01:22] | justinh: | du would tell you |
| [11:01:30] | Guest22591: | its only been running 2 months |
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| [11:01:32] | justinh: | man du. go get it |
| [11:01:40] | Guest22591: | k |
| [11:01:42] | Guest22591: | thx |
| [11:01:45] | Guest22591: | ill have a lok |
| [11:01:57] | justinh: | or maybe what you thought was good partitioning hasn't worked & you *are* really filling the root partition |
| [11:02:18] | justinh: | be very careful – I filled root by mistake once & it resulted in mysql crashing & trashing the database |
| [11:02:42] | justinh: | can happen any time the same partition mysql data is stored on gets full |
| [11:03:08] | justinh: | and when I say 'trashing' I really mean "making it completely unretrievable" |
| [11:03:25] | Guest22591: | i have a lvm set up for recordings/photos/music |
| [11:03:30] | Guest22591: | 15 gig / part |
| [11:03:33] | Guest22591: | 2 gig swap |
| [11:03:46] | justinh: | look in /var/log then first |
| [11:04:00] | Guest22591: | i have |
| [11:04:09] | Guest22591: | looked in var log |
| [11:04:10] | justinh: | though I'd have thought that mythbuntu rotates any logs it makes |
| [11:04:37] | Guest22591: | it seem to make archives of logs |
| [11:04:47] | Guest22591: | eg dmesg.0 |
| [11:04:55] | Guest22591: | dmesg.1 |
| [11:04:58] | Guest22591: | etc |
| [11:05:16] | Guest22591: | im not running on that pc at moment |
| [11:05:20] | justinh: | yeah but I doubt they plan to keep all logs for all time. at least I'd hope not |
| [11:05:22] | Guest22591: | ill have a play with du |
| [11:05:41] | justinh: | if root really is full, it could really break your myth database |
| [11:05:42] | Guest22591: | its already filled up 3 times |
| [11:06:00] | Guest22591: | on me and it stuffs gnome managet |
| [11:06:03] | justinh: | so back up the db.. but that's something you should do as a matter of course anyway |
| [11:06:05] | Guest22591: | manager |
| [11:06:12] | Guest22591: | yeah i know |
| [11:06:28] | justinh: | if the partition the db is stored on gets full.. bad things happen |
| [11:06:36] | Guest22591: | mythweb has fixed db for me |
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| [11:06:42] | Guest22591: | a couple of times |
| [11:06:50] | Guest22591: | swett tool for fixing db |
| [11:07:17] | Guest22591: | just selct repair db and it fixes it... |
| [11:07:23] | justinh: | pfff |
| [11:07:40] | justinh: | when mysql trashes a database it generally does a really good job of it |
| [11:07:48] | Guest22591: | ok |
| [11:07:56] | justinh: | there's only so much mysqlcheck can repair |
| [11:08:07] | Guest22591: | it happen when you running mythtv and it cant write to db |
| [11:08:17] | Guest22591: | makes sense |
| [11:08:28] | Guest22591: | it all turn to shit |
| [11:08:34] | justinh: | language |
| [11:08:41] | Guest22591: | anything else that could be filling / |
| [11:08:45] | justinh: | family friendly channel & all that |
| [11:08:58] | Guest22591: | actualyy all documunts on lvm as well |
| [11:08:58] | justinh: | there are a few graphical disk usage tools these days too btw |
| [11:09:05] | Guest22591: | sorry |
| [11:09:55] | justinh: | try a df -h to see if your partitions really are where you think they are ;-) |
| [11:09:56] | Guest22591: | i have fan art etc still in default folders |
| [11:10:09] | Guest22591: | but not that big |
| [11:10:59] | Guest22591: | i moved to var/lib/mythtv to lvm to free up some space |
| [11:11:14] | Guest22591: | but only gaineed like 1 gig |
| [11:11:27] | justinh: | I hate all that /var/lib junk |
| [11:11:31] | Guest22591: | does a diskless client image use heaps of space |
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| [11:11:34] | justinh: | I give my dirs nice names :) |
| [11:11:39] | justinh: | no it needn't |
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| [11:12:13] | Guest22591: | as prob only exist since running diskles server from Back end |
| [11:12:38] | Guest22591: | im having a play with lucid today |
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| [11:12:52] | Guest22591: | diskless not work so good though |
| [11:13:06] | Guest22591: | it takes forever to load on client |
| [11:13:16] | Guest22591: | like up to five minutes.... |
| [11:13:20] | justinh: | lol |
| [11:13:29] | Guest22591: | but then once loaded it run beautiful |
| [11:13:45] | justinh: | my diskless FE boots up in less than a minute |
| [11:13:56] | justinh: | can't remember which flavour of ubuntu it is though |
| [11:13:59] | Guest22591: | u using karmic? |
| [11:14:02] | justinh: | no idea |
| [11:14:07] | justinh: | probably earlier than that |
| [11:14:25] | Guest22591: | well thats impressive |
| [11:14:33] | justinh: | I'm not one of ubuntu's biggest fans |
| [11:14:35] | Guest22591: | it work so good you forget... |
| [11:14:45] | justinh: | it |
| [11:14:51] | Guest22591: | arch huh? |
| [11:14:58] | justinh: | it's been in service a long time. I think the backend is still on 8.04 |
| [11:15:04] | Guest22591: | ok |
| [11:15:18] | Guest22591: | does it suspend? |
| [11:15:26] | Guest22591: | your FE that is |
| [11:15:34] | justinh: | no I just power it off |
| [11:16:04] | Guest22591: | someone say other day on ubuntu forums their Diskless fe was suspending to ram |
| [11:16:13] | Guest22591: | I was impressed |
| [11:16:23] | Guest22591: | do you run server 24/7? |
| [11:16:34] | Guest22591: | or use a cd or usb to wol server? |
| [11:16:40] | justinh: | meh |
| [11:16:43] | Guest22591: | for diskelss |
| [11:16:47] | justinh: | tree hugging money saving hippies |
| [11:16:58] | Guest22591: | you just like to burn power |
| [11:17:14] | justinh: | I don't care |
| [11:17:16] | justinh: | :) |
| [11:17:25] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [11:17:28] | Guest22591: | ok |
| [11:17:30] | justinh: | besides, getting all that wakeup stuff to work can be a PITA |
| [11:17:38] | justinh: | I like *reliable* |
| [11:17:44] | Guest22591: | it alot less heartache just to leave running |
| [11:17:56] | Guest22591: | i have rtc alarm working etc |
| [11:17:56] | justinh: | possibly extends the life of the hardware too |
| [11:17:59] | Guest22591: | seamless |
| [11:18:12] | bjd: | my combo fe/be shutdowns/wakes up flawlessly |
| [11:18:13] | justinh: | my backend is also DHCP & boot server though |
| [11:18:14] | bjd: | it's great |
| [11:18:15] | Guest22591: | BE hard ware is cheap anyway |
| [11:18:22] | Guest22591: | and so if fe... |
| [11:18:36] | justinh: | so I'd need to put something else in place if I went down the hippy tree hugger route |
| [11:18:57] | justinh: | and *dont* say openwrt |
| [11:19:14] | Guest22591: | wakeup.sh shutdown.sh |
| [11:19:48] | justinh: | bjd: bet your backend doesn't have a 10 year old motherboard in it though ;) |
| [11:20:18] | justinh: | suspend doesn't work in karmic on the new board I've got for the next backend system |
| [11:20:20] | highzeth: | hmm in custom recordings, I cant use several AND DAYNAME(program.starttime) entries? |
| [11:20:25] | Guest22591: | ok ill log out and plug in my almost full hdd and come back ... dont run away... |
| [11:20:35] | Guest22591: | so i can do some du |
| [11:20:36] | bjd: | justinh: nah, couple of years old |
| [11:20:48] | ** justinh runs away ** | |
| [11:21:10] | justinh: | put *guest* up there with *guru* & *neo* , oh and *trinity* |
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| [11:26:09] | highzeth: | nm, disregard |
| [11:26:45] | Guest22591: | ok bbs |
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| [11:28:42] | justinh: | bout time somebody hacked on custom recording rules to allow human beings to operate it :) |
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| [11:29:03] | justinh: | mortals shouldn't need to know MYSQL to make a nifty recording rule :) |
| [11:29:55] | justinh: | still on my to-do list, that one |
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| [11:30:11] | highzeth: | heh, I find them easy enough, this was a typo ofc ;) |
| [11:30:18] | Guest78830: | im back |
| [11:31:48] | justinh: | highzeth: yeah I find them OK, but entering SQL with a remote & the onscreen keyboard.. gimme a break :-\ |
| [11:32:55] | highzeth: | *there* we agree, I always use the webui for custom recordings, the last times I tried it via frontend I ended up pressing left/right during typing and everything I had done up to the point was gone. *very* annoying |
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| [11:42:11] | Guest85524: | hey |
| [11:43:19] | Guest85524: | ok i have done du |
| [11:44:06] | justinh1: | amazing |
| [11:45:25] | Guest85524: | not really |
| [11:45:42] | justinh1: | this conversation could take a while |
| [11:45:57] | Guest85524: | it show recently created files and modified? |
| [11:46:13] | justinh1: | no, du shows disk usage of everything it finds |
| [11:46:15] | Guest85524: | have a laugh now at my noobyness |
| [11:46:23] | justinh1: | that's why I said man du |
| [11:46:35] | Guest85524: | hmmm ok I figured disk usage du |
| [11:46:39] | Guest85524: | I did man du |
| [11:46:43] | justinh1: | yes. DISK USAGE |
| [11:46:58] | justinh1: | not most recently modified/created |
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| [11:47:18] | justinh1: | so, there IS a problem on my backend machine. ouch |
| [11:48:09] | Guest85524: | /dev/sda5 14421344 11839352 1849432 87% / |
| [11:48:15] | Guest85524: | but i was at 100 |
| [11:48:29] | justinh1: | you were or the disk was? :P |
| [11:48:45] | Guest85524: | and Ive nothing special on it just mythv |
| [11:48:55] | Guest85524: | and firefox |
| [11:49:03] | Guest85524: | and xchat |
| [11:49:11] | justinh1: | so you need to find all the big files first |
| [11:49:22] | Guest85524: | deluge but downloads go to lvm |
| [11:49:32] | Guest85524: | yes that would be good |
| [11:49:35] | justinh1: | http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search |
| [11:50:13] | justinh1: | ahh torrents & mythtv. go together like MPAA & lawsuits |
| [11:50:53] | Guest85524: | lol |
| [11:51:17] | justinh1: | yeah copyright theft is hilarious isn't it |
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| [11:52:05] | justinh1: | oh come ON what's hogging the backend CPU so much it can barely even pass network traffic? |
| [11:55:06] | Guest85524: | well if I only have mythbuntu /mythbuntu diskeless server and deluge/xchat and half a dzoen 50mb apps wher has my 15 gig gone? |
| [11:55:19] | justinh1: | dunno. you tell me |
| [11:55:33] | justinh1: | or rather, you do your own detective work. it's not rocket science |
| [11:55:47] | Guest85524: | what would a mythbuntu clena install be? |
| [11:55:49] | Guest85524: | 4 gig? |
| [11:56:01] | justinh1: | no idea |
| [11:56:04] | justinh1: | probably a lot less |
| [11:56:21] | Guest85524: | help my justin |
| [11:56:24] | Guest85524: | me! |
| [11:56:32] | Guest85524: | please u the smart one here |
| [11:56:39] | Guest85524: | i can type df |
| [11:56:41] | Guest85524: | and ls |
| [11:56:43] | justinh1: | for pity's sakes |
| [11:56:44] | Guest85524: | ls -l |
| [11:56:50] | Guest85524: | and du |
| [11:57:03] | justinh1: | there are tools available to help you find out about where disk usage lies. USE THEM |
| [11:57:54] | justinh1: | how the hell should anybody here know what's been filling up your disk? If it's not downloads, and it's not logs.. and it's not TV recordings... erm... |
| [11:58:22] | Guest85524: | so logs is possible you think |
| [11:58:31] | Guest85524: | its not downloads or reconrding |
| [11:58:36] | justinh1: | says you |
| [11:58:54] | justinh1: | logs are likely, but I wouldn't bet my house on it |
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| [11:59:23] | Guest85524: | its the only thing i can think of |
| [11:59:30] | justinh1: | apart from forgetting to mount a partition |
| [11:59:34] | Guest85524: | must look for large files... |
| [11:59:53] | Guest85524: | hmm thats possible i suppose |
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| [12:41:23] | Guest85524: | 193mb in /var log |
| [12:41:36] | Guest85524: | justin |
| [12:41:40] | Guest85524: | u there |
| [12:41:53] | Guest85524: | justinh1 193 mb |
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| [12:50:46] | justinh1: | so it's not the logs then is it? Time to push that grey matter into action! |
| [12:51:51] | Guest85524: | well ive been searching fo ages now |
| [12:52:02] | Guest85524: | and no joy |
| [12:52:17] | Guest85524: | ~home has nothing in it |
| [12:52:25] | Guest85524: | as its all out on lvm |
| [12:52:42] | Guest85524: | all folder normally in /home |
| [12:52:59] | Guest85524: | and they are all mounted correctly |
| [12:53:00] | justinh1: | what about /var/lib then ? |
| [12:53:32] | Guest85524: | 256meg total |
| [12:53:51] | justinh1: | tmp? |
| [12:53:56] | justinh1: | i.e. /tmp |
| [12:54:21] | justinh1: | it's not hard to go through all the directories in / |
| [12:54:40] | Guest85524: | etc 97mb |
| [12:54:41] | justinh1: | or just install one of the many graphical disk usage tools |
| [12:56:02] | Guest85524: | lib 1.1 gb |
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| [12:58:21] | Guest85524: | temp 56k |
| [12:59:17] | justinh1: | sigh |
| [12:59:20] | Guest85524: | proc is 88 mb |
| [12:59:25] | Guest85524: | sorry 888 mb |
| [12:59:28] | Guest85524: | is yours? |
| [12:59:40] | justinh1: | YOU do the working out. it's your system |
| [13:00:11] | Guest85524: | at bottom of thunar its says file size :) |
| [13:00:55] | Guest85524: | well I was kinda hoping I could compare so i know if there something wrong inthta folder |
| [13:01:02] | Guest85524: | but its ok |
| [13:01:10] | Guest85524: | i have another pc beside me |
| [13:01:16] | Guest85524: | booting now |
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| [13:20:45] | Beirdo: | uhd my gud. |
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| [13:48:34] | mag0o: | nice, newegg 2tb for $150 |
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| [13:56:16] | jamesd2: | nice that is 285 hours of hd tv for $150 |
| [13:57:31] | wagnerrp: | depends on whether that tv comes over broadcast or optical media |
| [13:57:37] | sid3windr: | * footage not included |
| [13:57:40] | wagnerrp: | the latter will be around half that |
| [13:58:34] | mag0o: | now, if only i didn't have these kids to feed :) |
| [13:58:58] | wagnerrp: | just sit them down with their brand new mythtv theme |
| [13:59:03] | wagnerrp: | theyll be happy without food |
| [13:59:12] | sid3windr: | :D |
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| [14:01:06] | mag0o: | heh, have you looked at it on a crt tv? =\ not as impressive as an lcd...which means i have to work on some changes :) |
| [14:04:13] | Beirdo: | 2TB what brand, mag0o? |
| [14:05:11] | mag0o: | western digital |
| [14:05:13] | mag0o: | green |
| [14:05:27] | Beirdo: | ew |
| [14:05:30] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [14:05:34] | mag0o: | ive got one of the green 1tb ones and it's been quite reliable |
| [14:05:38] | ** Beirdo waits for the Seagate ** | |
| [14:05:44] | Beirdo: | what's the warranty? |
| [14:05:54] | sid3windr: | ew WD :[ |
| [14:06:06] | Beirdo: | Seagate's 5yr warranty is a godsend |
| [14:06:27] | Beirdo: | I have RMA'd half my drives due to PR's crappy power grid frying them |
| [14:06:46] | mag0o: | parts & labor 3 years |
| [14:07:01] | Beirdo: | right. I'll stick with Seagate |
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| [14:12:55] | Beirdo: | but I'm not buying *YET* anyways |
| [14:13:51] | Beirdo: | I'd have to check the max capacity for my RAID card too |
| [14:14:07] | Beirdo: | it runs in my memory that it is 1TB per drive |
| [14:18:33] | sid3windr: | what raid card? |
| [14:18:41] | sid3windr: | can probably be helped with a firmware upgrade |
| [14:21:40] | Beirdo: | Adaptec 2410SA I think |
| [14:21:46] | sid3windr: | adaptec :[ |
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| [14:22:13] | Beirdo: | make all the faces you want |
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| [14:22:18] | sid3windr: | :o |
| [14:22:19] | sid3windr: | :0 |
| [14:22:22] | sid3windr: | 0:) |
| [14:22:23] | sid3windr: | :[ |
| [14:22:24] | Beirdo: | it's better than using mdadm :) |
| [14:22:24] | sid3windr: | :x |
| [14:22:25] | sid3windr: | :/ |
| [14:22:34] | sid3windr: | is it? |
| [14:22:44] | sid3windr: | better in what way? |
| [14:22:58] | Beirdo: | faster. A LOT faster |
| [14:23:02] | sid3windr: | can you still use the disk's data if your controller blows up? :p |
| [14:23:03] | Beirdo: | it's hardware RAID |
| [14:23:15] | Beirdo: | yes, I buy another one |
| [14:23:15] | sid3windr: | if you get a faster cpu your software raid also becomes faster :> |
| [14:23:33] | Beirdo: | and a HW RAID controller will ALWAYS be faster |
| [14:23:46] | sid3windr: | I'm not really an mdadm advocate... but I'm not really a fan of adaptec since they've strayed into sata land :p |
| [14:24:01] | ** sid3windr does areca controllers all the way ** | |
| [14:24:01] | Beirdo: | this is an SATA RAID controller |
| [14:24:17] | sid3windr: | and that includes at home, but I'm nuts :/ |
| [14:24:47] | Beirdo: | oh and the replacement card was $40 with shipping |
| [14:25:49] | ** Beirdo cues some Offspring ** | |
| [14:27:00] | sid3windr: | :-) |
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| [14:33:49] | Beirdo: | just not loud enough on this crappy laptop |
| [14:33:49] | jamesd2: | Beirdo, no i dont want my kids up at this hour the house is nice and quiet damm it... |
| [14:34:04] | Beirdo: | headphones :) |
| [14:34:10] | Beirdo: | just too quiet though |
| [14:34:21] | Beirdo: | need another... 6–9dB :) |
| [14:34:27] | jamesd2: | it was a punn... offspring == children |
| [14:34:35] | Beirdo: | I know :) |
| [14:35:01] | Beirdo: | what the heck |
| [14:35:11] | jamesd2: | Beirdo, koss td/80's are nice does wonders with very little input... |
| [14:35:16] | wagnerrp: | $40 for a replacement raid card? |
| [14:35:17] | Beirdo: | the equalizer has everything down 4dB or so |
| [14:35:29] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yup. ebay to the rescue :) |
| [14:35:30] | wagnerrp: | was it basically free, plus overnight shipping? |
| [14:35:33] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [14:36:04] | wagnerrp: | its so tiny |
| [14:36:19] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:36:19] | wagnerrp: | and X |
| [14:36:52] | Beirdo: | ahhhh, fixed the equalizer... the thing is, likely not even notice clipping much in this noisy music :) |
| [14:37:11] | Beirdo: | still too quiet though |
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| [14:37:59] | Beirdo: | but this is the day before vacation, and I need to drown out some cow-workers so I can finish a document before I go. |
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| [14:40:31] | Beirdo: | morning/afternoon, gbee :) |
| [14:40:45] | gbee: | afternoon/morning Beirdo |
| [14:41:17] | Beirdo: | well, I'm happy that the beeb hasn't screwed the underlying layers of BBC7's streaming :) |
| [14:41:31] | Beirdo: | GOTTA have my Goon Shows, I tell ya |
| [14:41:40] | gbee: | heh |
| [14:42:01] | Beirdo: | BBC7 has em on every week, as does ABC RN |
| [14:43:31] | Beirdo: | I grew up listening to my dad's recordings :) |
| [14:47:43] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [14:47:44] | Beirdo: | my iPhone now has quite a few for me to listen to in the car |
| [14:47:50] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to call me looking for money |
| [14:48:00] | wagnerrp: | at least have the decency to have a PERSON do so |
| [14:48:03] | wagnerrp: | and not some recording |
| [14:48:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:48:23] | Beirdo: | "please hold for the next available operator"... yeah right... CLICK |
| [14:48:43] | Beirdo: | the bank did that to me once |
| [14:49:00] | Beirdo: | and when they called back, the girl had the nerve to complain that I hung up |
| [14:50:01] | wagnerrp: | no, this was march of dimes |
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| [14:50:14] | wagnerrp: | and they were having me listen to some pre-recorded spiel |
| [14:50:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:50:19] | Beirdo: | CLICK |
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| [15:02:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i tried to explain that to him several times |
| [15:03:02] | wagnerrp: | i really did... |
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| [15:04:03] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [15:04:15] | wagnerrp: | check the mythvideo wiki page |
| [15:04:19] | gbee: | does everyone just sit refreshing the recent changes page on the wiki? |
| [15:04:52] | gbee: | wagnerrp: I knew what you were referring to, but only because I'd just edited the FAQ so I was there at the right moment |
| [15:05:09] | wagnerrp: | no, i was actually about to make the reversion when i saw iamlindoro got to it before me |
| [15:05:31] | gbee: | it's just uncanny how quickly people react to wiki changes made just a minute ago :) |
| [15:07:09] | ** gbee is back on his high horse, dispensing morally superior judgements on those who make the mistake of revealing their interest in illegal activities ;) ** | |
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| [15:07:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i never understood that |
| [15:07:57] | wagnerrp: | why do people proclaim to the world that they do such things |
| [15:08:07] | wagnerrp: | have people lost all sense of privacy? |
| [15:08:17] | wagnerrp: | do the young'uns have no inner monologue? |
| [15:08:24] | gbee: | they've certainly lost all sense of shame |
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| [15:10:57] | GreyFoxx: | kids aren't made to feed bad about much anymore :) |
| [15:11:12] | GreyFoxx: | They are all little perfect princeses who never loose, never fail and so on |
| [15:11:44] | mag0o: | yeah, go check the scores on the latest little league baseball games |
| [15:11:53] | GreyFoxx: | we've taken away all the sharp corners, removed competition (and hence failure) and softened all language so as not to hurt their little feelings. So none ever feel they are ever wrong |
| [15:12:01] | mag0o: | ...oh wait, they don't keep score anymore for fear of someone feeling like a loser |
| [15:12:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:12:43] | wagnerrp: | lou-hou-hou-hou-ser |
| [15:12:48] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [15:13:23] | mag0o: | thing is, the kids *do* keep score, it's the crazy parents that think the kids are too dumb to keep up with it |
| [15:14:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Heh, yeah. I was following your thread so I was anticipating it showing up. It's definitely not the kind of thing I want to encourage so if he wants to do insane stuff, he can host/support it himself |
| [15:14:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I usually police the wiki once in the morning-- it's become (and unfortunate part of) routine |
| [15:14:32] | iamlindoro: | er an |
| [15:15:05] | Beirdo: | nice changes, gbee :) |
| [15:16:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why he outright refuses to go back to local file access |
| [15:16:34] | gbee: | Beirdo: not everyone is going to agree with them, but the existing language is/was a little weak |
| [15:16:39] | Beirdo: | I doubt it's quite 99.9% of all torrent traffic is illegal, but close enough :) |
| [15:16:43] | wagnerrp: | and insists on breaking storage groups to make his stuff work |
| [15:16:49] | Beirdo: | all VIDEO-related torrent traffic, sure |
| [15:17:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, i think its probably up there |
| [15:17:22] | Beirdo: | well, with ubuntu, et all distributing that way, it's probably lonly 97% :) |
| [15:17:33] | Beirdo: | but close enough for us |
| [15:17:34] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:17:41] | wagnerrp: | just about the only thing clean on bittorrent are ISOs, WoW patches, and updates to the torrent clients themselves |
| [15:17:50] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [15:18:04] | Beirdo: | none of which are related to myth |
| [15:18:15] | wagnerrp: | (except for mythbuntu ISOs) |
| [15:18:16] | Beirdo: | oh, and the public music stuff |
| [15:18:18] | gbee: | Beirdo: recent article on The Register cited a study which placed it around the high nineties, I couldn't remember the exact figure and really for things like video it probably is closer to 99.9 than anything else so ... ;) |
| [15:18:23] | Beirdo: | forget the URL off hand |
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| [15:18:45] | Beirdo: | but yeah. |
| [15:18:57] | Beirdo: | sounds good to me regardless |
| [15:19:31] | gbee: | iamlindoro: it's one of the selection of sites I find myself checking while I'm waiting for something to happen, code to compile, the phone to ring, the kettle to boil etc so if anything I'm checking it more than once per day on average and more if something gets a specific mention in here |
| [15:21:59] | Beirdo: | gbee: etree.org |
| [15:22:04] | Beirdo: | that was the one I was thinking of |
| [15:22:38] | Beirdo: | I think it was the driving force for creating the protocol, IIRC. |
| [15:22:50] | Beirdo: | anyways, irrelevant |
| [15:24:44] | Beirdo: | speaking of irrelevant... I want beer |
| [15:24:56] | Beirdo: | a nice Guiness for lunch? :) |
| [15:25:13] | Beirdo: | and my typing sucketh. Guinness |
| [15:27:12] | mag0o: | mmm, beer |
| [15:28:08] | gbee: | I'm not really against the protocol, show me a legal video/music service which makes good use of it (where another protocol wouldn't work, or is not available) and I'd be happy to write a plugin to access it (but with restrictions limiting it to that service etc) |
| [15:28:20] | Beirdo: | amen |
| [15:29:01] | Beirdo: | but until then. verboten |
| [15:29:46] | wagnerrp: | i need something... preferably laced with metha- erm, Claritin AD |
| [15:30:08] | wagnerrp: | i always get the two mixed up, since they both put you on some sort of DEA watch list for buying the stuff |
| [15:30:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:30:34] | Beirdo: | so lame what our society has come to |
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| [15:33:37] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [15:33:55] | Beirdo: | where to find enclosures for cool little USB thingy :) |
| [15:34:10] | Beirdo: | I want something the size of a small USB hub |
| [15:35:52] | Beirdo: | http://www.hammondmfg.com/jpeg/1553_handB.jpg |
| [15:35:57] | Beirdo: | perhaps :) |
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| [15:38:13] | Beirdo: | hahah. "made in Canada" |
| [15:38:15] | Beirdo: | wow. |
| [15:38:45] | Beirdo: | something actually not manufactured in China |
| [15:39:01] | gbee: | "cool little USB thingy" ? |
| [15:39:14] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:39:19] | mag0o: | usb fan |
| [15:39:29] | Beirdo: | I wanna make a USB-connected multi IR transmitter |
| [15:39:53] | wagnerrp: | i need to get better at planning code |
| [15:39:54] | Beirdo: | because I'm a geek, and I like doing embedded design |
| [15:40:18] | mag0o: | because I'm a geek, my friends as me to do things for free |
| [15:40:19] | Beirdo: | but should I want to sell them premade... I need a box :) |
| [15:40:34] | wagnerrp: | im about to rip out about 2 days of work and re-implement it |
| [15:40:59] | gbee: | that enclosure reminds me of me usb harddrive, of course my natural reaction is then to glance over at the shelf where it should sit ... but it's not there *frown* |
| [15:41:13] | Beirdo: | yah |
| [15:41:31] | gbee: | where have I put it ... |
| [15:41:36] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: thats right up until the first time you agree to clear off their laptop only to find asphyxia porn |
| [15:41:48] | mag0o: | =\ |
| [15:41:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont talk to them much anymore |
| [15:42:41] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [15:46:01] | gbee: | I felt much the same way after finding Britney Spears mp3s on a friend's machine |
| [15:46:17] | Beirdo: | that's not quite as bad |
| [15:46:41] | gbee: | oh, we have a Britney fan :P |
| [15:46:57] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [15:47:01] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [15:47:31] | Beirdo: | I can do without her nonsense |
| [15:47:51] | Beirdo: | but in her early days, she was decent eye candy at least |
| [15:48:00] | Beirdo: | oooh. |
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| [15:48:43] | Beirdo: | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dk . . . ame=HM969-ND |
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| [15:49:19] | Beirdo: | nice small aluminum case.. costs more than everything else put together, I bet |
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| [15:50:29] | wagnerrp: | well then youll just have to buy 1200 of em |
| [15:50:39] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [15:50:46] | Beirdo: | after I have 1200 orders :) |
| [15:53:05] | Beirdo: | anyways.. :) |
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| [15:58:10] | gbee: | no sense in buying 1200, you only get a price breaks to 150 ;) |
| [15:58:40] | wagnerrp: | !trout wagnerrp |
| [15:58:40] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [15:58:47] | wagnerrp: | dont know where i came up with 1200 |
| [16:00:39] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [16:00:59] | Beirdo: | those plastic cases were $6.96 each for onsies |
| [16:01:07] | Beirdo: | onesies. |
| [16:01:10] | Beirdo: | stupid fingers |
| [16:01:11] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [16:02:18] | Beirdo: | so something for me to scratch out designs of... then start workin on... in a few weeks or somtehing |
| [16:02:36] | Beirdo: | you think 4 transmitters is a good scale, right? |
| [16:07:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: What are you using for it – a Microcontroller with USB? |
| [16:08:18] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [16:08:21] | Beirdo: | that's the plan |
| [16:08:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Nice. I had tought of doing that too, but haven't taken the 'dive' into the usb-enabled micros yet... |
| [16:08:55] | Beirdo: | I like toying with stuff |
| [16:09:02] | ** J-e-f-f-A does too. ;-) ** | |
| [16:09:15] | Beirdo: | of course, any design I come up with will be freely available... |
| [16:09:23] | Beirdo: | I can assemble them for a price though |
| [16:09:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nice. ;-) |
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| [16:09:49] | Beirdo: | the primary use would be people HERE, so :) |
| [16:09:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Exactly. |
| [16:10:02] | Beirdo: | I ain't planning on making Windows software |
| [16:10:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I wouldn't either... Maybe 10 years ago I might have, but not anymore! |
| [16:11:00] | Beirdo: | if someone wants taht, they can pay me hourly... at rates they will not like |
| [16:11:14] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
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| [16:11:47] | Beirdo: | I mean.. I'll do it... but not out of fun |
| [16:13:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | My current blaster is just a home-made buffered serial blaster with 3 outputs.. But even with a Athlon 64 6000+ doing a 40Khz or 56Khz carrier in software causes the system to slow while transmitting... |
| [16:15:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, sucky |
| [16:15:59] | Beirdo: | thinking AVR (ATMega16U4 or 32U4) at this point |
| [16:16:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | I can't complain much though – it's worked more-or-less flawlessly for all these years... ;-) |
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| [16:17:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Nice – I've only tinkered with the 'robotics' targeted ones – ie Basic Stamp and Oopic microcontrolles until last year, when I started working with 'normal' PICs... |
| [16:17:27] | Beirdo: | PICs annoy me, I don't like their architecture much :) |
| [16:17:35] | Beirdo: | the AVRs are an 8-bit RISC |
| [16:17:49] | Beirdo: | the PIC is an 8-bit CISC |
| [16:17:50] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:18:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I'm gonna have to look into the AVRs... ;-) |
| [16:18:32] | Beirdo: | how much power are you allowed to draw off USB? 100mA? |
| [16:18:46] | wagnerrp: | low power is 100, high is 500 |
| [16:18:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: up to 500mA, but depending on the usb controller you may have to 'request' it to get 500mA |
| [16:18:57] | Beirdo: | hmm, this will be tight :) |
| [16:19:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ beat me... ;-) |
| [16:19:14] | Beirdo: | the processor is... 10mA |
| [16:19:35] | wagnerrp: | throw in a capacitor to run the LEDs |
| [16:19:40] | Beirdo: | the LEDs.. 50mA max continuous |
| [16:19:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, for sure |
| [16:19:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ exactly. |
| [16:19:51] | wagnerrp: | theyre strobbed, not like you have to pull full power continuously |
| [16:19:54] | Beirdo: | Ideally, I want to bus-power this |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | and USUALLY they are off |
| [16:20:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | 50ma? You broadcasting to the neighbor's TV? ;-) hehehehe |
| [16:20:09] | AndyCap: | 2.5W, how much light do you want? |
| [16:20:24] | Beirdo: | 100mW actually |
| [16:20:47] | Beirdo: | peak forward current (1uS pulse width, 300pps) -> 3.0A |
| [16:20:50] | Beirdo: | youch |
| [16:21:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Do you plan on 'flooding' the room with IR, or using 'stick-on' transmitters? |
| [16:22:01] | AndyCap: | Haha. "You need some sort of protection, I tested and play with it for about 30 minutes and after that my eyes were hurting (I know I should have known, but I did not think that would happen that)." |
| [16:22:03] | Beirdo: | hehe. well MAKING stick-on will be tricky, but that would be the general plan |
| [16:22:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A uses stick-on transmitters at 10 or 20mA (can't remember which) ** | |
| [16:22:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Well, I didn't make 'stick-on' ones, but I did make two that are 'in front of' the receiver – I've got a pic here somewhere... |
| [16:23:35] | AndyCap: | btw. anyone make lirc talk ir over cable? |
| [16:23:37] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: hurting from IR? |
| [16:23:39] | Beirdo: | but yeah, a decent size capacitor on the LED drive would be good |
| [16:23:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/my_ir_blasters.jpg |
| [16:23:56] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: apparently one of their customers http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14061 |
| [16:24:32] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: can't get there from here |
| [16:24:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: IR LED, green 'status' LED, Heat shrink and "Liquid Electrical Tape"... ;-) |
| [16:24:36] | Beirdo: | gotta love it |
| [16:24:53] | Beirdo: | well, status LED on the box, I was thinking |
| [16:24:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah... 8008 probably blocked. Let me put it on my isp's provided site... give me a min... |
| [16:25:23] | Beirdo: | and resistor for the current limiting will be in the heat-shrink too |
| [16:25:48] | Beirdo: | maybe :) |
| [16:26:21] | Beirdo: | I'd like to disassemble the ones that come with MCE cards |
| [16:26:39] | wagnerrp: | blocked ports? what kind of crappy ISP are you using? |
| [16:26:59] | Beirdo: | it's not ISP... it's an aerospace company :) |
| [16:27:20] | Beirdo: | they won't let me go to random ports.. fascist pigs : |
| [16:27:23] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [16:27:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: http://mysite.verizon.net/~jartz/mythtv/my_ir_blasters.jpg |
| [16:28:10] | gbee: | most I've ever done is build my own IR illuminator (err, floodlight), a couple of dozen high power IR leds, a few resistors, wire and heat shrink |
| [16:28:30] | gbee: | don't think I'll ever do enough to get the hang of soldering ;) |
| [16:28:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: IIRC, I run them at 20mA, and they were too strong at that level, so I filed off the front of the lense of the IR LED, and they work perfectly now. |
| [16:28:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:29:13] | Beirdo: | well, I can actually make that tunable from the AVR |
| [16:29:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | True... ;-) |
| [16:29:44] | Beirdo: | not sure how many PWM outputs it has though :) |
| [16:29:56] | Beirdo: | if it has 4, that's all I need |
| [16:30:26] | Beirdo: | PWM -> capacitor = analog "volume" control... which can be used for gain control |
| [16:30:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, I follow you now... ;-) |
| [16:31:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: or even a D2A converter to provide the same gain control... ;-) |
| [16:31:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:31:36] | Beirdo: | PWM is easier |
| [16:31:43] | Beirdo: | for multi-channel |
| [16:32:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Just as long as it's filtered enough so that it doesn't interfere with the IR carrier frequency. ;-) |
| [16:32:33] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [16:32:54] | Beirdo: | I'd likely run it at 400kHz or something. |
| [16:33:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A just realized that his ir blaster pic is at least 3 or 4 years old... ** | |
| [16:33:47] | Beirdo: | dangit, that means I need opamps :) |
| [16:34:03] | Beirdo: | or to REALLY brush up on my transistors... been 13 years |
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| [16:34:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:34:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehehe... ;-) |
| [16:34:17] | Beirdo: | using it to switch is easy |
| [16:34:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^right. ;-) |
| [16:34:59] | Beirdo: | using it to amplify... not so easy |
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| [16:38:24] | cipher42: | does the hdpvr sometimes need to be power cycled? |
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| [16:39:35] | sphery: | gbee or Beirdo : should we also include mention of the fact that card-sharing is also a forbidden topic at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam (as some see it as separate from using a softcam without a card) |
| [16:39:38] | iamlindoro: | If you get it into a hung state, yes |
| [16:39:47] | cipher42: | how can you tell if it's hanging? |
| [16:39:55] | sphery: | if so, wanna write it up (as I don't think I could do it right--terminology, etc) |
| [16:39:57] | Beirdo: | sphery: I agree |
| [16:40:15] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: wow, your dog grew up fast. From baby to full grown in six minutes. |
| [16:40:21] | Beirdo: | I dunno, gbee can likely cover it better than I |
| [16:40:29] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: She's always been a precocious one |
| [16:40:30] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [16:40:36] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [16:40:48] | iamlindoro: | cipher42: if it won't capture any more, and it's properly configured, then it's hung. |
| [16:41:07] | sphery: | I can add in something like, "Specifically, the use of softcam to decrypt DVB signals /or for card sharing/ is not a welcome topic in #mythtv-users." |
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| [16:41:22] | iamlindoro: | or any other myth channel |
| [16:41:26] | Beirdo: | sure. sounds like a plan |
| [16:41:27] | cipher42: | anything that specifically causes this? |
| [16:41:29] | iamlindoro: | or in linuxtv |
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| [16:41:39] | cipher42: | and does it happen often? |
| [16:41:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:41:43] | iamlindoro: | overheating, bad unit, etc. |
| [16:41:44] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: or anywhere else on freenode, really |
| [16:41:57] | iamlindoro: | happened often on early firmwares and early hardware, seldom happens to me now |
| [16:42:07] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: indeed |
| [16:42:21] | cipher42: | i just upgraded to x12 and now it's happening |
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| [16:42:25] | sphery: | heh, heh, I was only planning to add the italicized (in //) part--the rest is what's there :) |
| [16:42:32] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: My girlfriend knows that between her and the dog, the dog wins |
| [16:42:35] | AndyCap: | sphery: umm, how on earth is that going to help? if you're to stupid to see that cardsharing isn't allowed from the softcam ban would you care to read the rules or not argue about technicalites even if it is in the rules. |
| [16:42:49] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: wow. |
| [16:43:05] | iamlindoro: | I bottle fed the dog, I can get another girlfriend easy |
| [16:43:06] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: way to put her in her place. |
| [16:43:11] | iamlindoro: | darn straight |
| [16:43:15] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [16:43:37] | Beirdo: | AndyCap: gives us something to point at when banning people |
| [16:43:52] | ** devinheitmueller quotes iamlindoro on his own facebook wall. ** | |
| [16:43:57] | sphery: | AndyCap: I'm thinking more for those who rationalize their use of card sharing... but, yeah, it's the something to point at that's helpful |
| [16:43:59] | iamlindoro: | easy there, tex |
| [16:44:11] | iamlindoro: | Just because she knows it doesn't mean it's smart for me to point it out ;) |
| [16:44:16] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [16:44:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, what should I change all the "on #mythtv-users" to? |
| [16:44:36] | sphery: | on IRC? on MythTV IRC channels? on freenode? on Earth? |
| [16:44:44] | AndyCap: | sphery: I can see rationalizing softcam with a valid card, but not cardsharing. |
| [16:44:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery: "in any official MythTV IRC channel, mailing list, or other venue?" |
| [16:44:52] | iamlindoro: | ish? |
| [16:45:27] | sphery: | with a link to mailing list etiquette |
| [16:45:28] | sphery: | got it |
| [16:45:58] | gbee: | sphery: boils down to being a violation of T&Cs which you agree to in your contract, the majority of providers require one subscription per card or an additional subscription charge for extra cards |
| [16:46:24] | Beirdo: | which sucks, but such is life |
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| [16:46:48] | sphery: | gbee: agreed... just noticed that it's not specifically mentioned in the rules |
| [16:46:54] | iamlindoro: | cue our almost-lawyers to argue to anything you don't agree with you can feel free to take |
| [16:47:13] | gbee: | at least in the UK they also require that you only use their equipment (STBs), so again card sharing is in violation of more than one condition of service |
| [16:47:20] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: cue our trout followed by kick-ban :) |
| [16:47:28] | iamlindoro: | /troutban |
| [16:47:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:48:41] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to can do something more fun? like altering what they say? |
| [16:48:53] | ** wagnerrp has no idea what all abilities are provided admins ** | |
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| [16:48:56] | kkuno: | hi |
| [16:49:17] | devinheitmueller: | Hey, I'm a Linux noob. Can anyone here tell me how to crack the digicipher2 used in Cablecard? |
| [16:49:23] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [16:49:36] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: not bloody likely. |
| [16:49:38] | iamlindoro: | /troutnuke devinheitmuller |
| [16:49:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:49:39] | kkuno: | I tried the new flash streaming via mythweb... it's great, but are there any plans to jump to different video positions? |
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| [16:49:57] | Beirdo: | kkuno: dunno |
| [16:50:14] | Beirdo: | is kormoc or xris in? Doubtful this early |
| [16:50:34] | iamlindoro: | kkuno: The flash streaming is considered purely proof of concept until the transcoding is handled by the backend instead of ffmpeg |
| [16:50:37] | wagnerrp: | kkuno: doing so would require considerable additional code, and better integration between the server and the player |
| [16:50:41] | iamlindoro: | so it's not seeing any enhancements, really |
| [16:50:50] | kkuno: | ok |
| [16:51:09] | wagnerrp: | the video is just piped into ffmpeg, and dumped straight onto the http socket |
| [16:51:29] | wagnerrp: | there is currently very little that it does |
| [16:51:47] | sphery: | kkuno: the plan is to completely remove the proof-of-concept that you had to enable by clicking a checkbox next to the warning, "Flash video playback is currently only a proof-of-concept and should be considered EXTREMELY experimental, which is why it has been disabled by default. ... Enable this feature at your own risk, and don't expect too much official help until it has left the experimental phase." and to do it right |
| [16:52:10] | kkuno: | ok |
| [16:52:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [16:52:43] | sphery: | i.e. throw away everything that is the current flash playback and have the backend support the concept (rather than it being a mythweb with ffmpeg on mythweb host thing) |
| [16:52:47] | jamesd2: | it works for me... so i'm happy :-) |
| [16:52:49] | wagnerrp: | if youre interested, ideally the whole transcode bit in mythtv needs a huge overhaul |
| [16:53:19] | sphery: | which is exactly what iamlindoro said in 1/10 the words about 3 minutes before me :) |
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| [16:53:30] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery copycat |
| [16:53:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a copycat trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [16:53:45] | sphery: | stupid copy paste takes forever when you're making sure you don't spam the channel |
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| [16:54:14] | iamlindoro: | So be more like me-- paraphrase, half-truths, and approxi-facts |
| [16:54:21] | sphery: | heh |
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| [16:54:55] | kkuno: | lol |
| [16:55:33] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, sphery was probably finding that in the code, respond to four threads on the users list, editing the wiki, and carrying on four unsolicited PM conversations at the time |
| [16:55:38] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: you must be in the federal government |
| [16:55:54] | sphery: | heh, not nearly that good at multitasking |
| [16:56:01] | sphery: | I'm like DOS 6.0 |
| [16:56:31] | ** iamlindoro was always more fond of 5 ** | |
| [16:57:10] | ** iamlindoro loads sphery with arguments DOS=HIGH,UMB ** | |
| [16:57:23] | iamlindoro: | and chuck an emm386.exe noems 4096 there, too |
| [16:57:34] | jamesd2: | sidekick rocked... |
| [17:00:43] | sphery: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/05/bbc_iphone/ "Two iPhone developers have been slapped with a 10-page cease and desist order from the BBC for trying to create an app that would cache iPlayer content." |
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| [17:00:57] | jamesd2: | sidekick should be redone or ported to unix .. yes i know there are ways to accomplish the same thing... but they involve multiple windows or starting screen before you establish your current shell command, ctrl-z just seems non-interative... ctrl-shift pick your tool.. done not everything is X |
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| [17:01:19] | Beirdo: | jamesd2: have at it |
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| [17:02:06] | AndyCap: | jamesd2: oh, and you can start screen in your profile you know. :) |
| [17:02:46] | jamesd2: | AndyCap, true just never get around to doing it |
| [17:02:54] | sphery: | but in screen, everything is Ctrl-a, eh |
| [17:03:22] | jamesd2: | sphery, i can live with that... |
| [17:03:25] | Beirdo: | you can remap that |
| [17:03:27] | jamesd2: | you can change it. |
| [17:03:27] | gbee: | it's funny, but I really don't remember much about DOS, Win 3.1 etc I remember using them, but little else |
| [17:05:44] | sphery: | Why would you ever want your browser to report your location to any website automatically? "Early version of Geolocation API now available with following caveats..." http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010 . . . +Releases%29 |
| [17:06:07] | AndyCap: | sphery: because google says it's cool |
| [17:06:10] | Beirdo: | omg, tinyurl :) |
| [17:06:30] | ** sphery never clicks a tinyurl (you don't know where it's taking you) ** | |
| [17:06:44] | Beirdo: | so they can send you porn ads that are "from your area" with people that are actually in Romania? |
| [17:06:56] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:07:01] | Beirdo: | you have a point. |
| [17:07:01] | gbee: | or what data mining is done by the intermediate server |
| [17:07:13] | AndyCap: | or just cut a little in th eurl. don't give them all the tracking crap, especially when you're complaining about tracking. |
| [17:07:24] | sphery: | but just for you: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydbksaa |
| [17:07:27] | AndyCap: | Like say; http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010 . . . -update.html |
| [17:07:32] | sphery: | (adds confidence) |
| [17:08:07] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: besides, it's not like you know where googlechromereleses.blogspot.com will take you. |
| [17:08:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:08:31] | Beirdo: | frigging company firewall doesn't like blogspot |
| [17:08:41] | ** Beirdo throws a fit ** | |
| [17:09:06] | Beirdo: | I'll go read it later :) |
| [17:09:16] | sphery: | http://www.ghacks.net/2010/03/05/geolocation- . . . le-chrome-5/ perhaps |
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| [17:09:36] | gbee: | you're there to work, not to read blogs |
| [17:09:40] | ** gbee cracks the whip ** | |
| [17:10:20] | ** gbee wonders how Beirdo manages to be in IRC when the firewall blocks so many other ports and websites ** | |
| [17:10:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:10:44] | ** sphery thinks tinyurl should make previews enabled by default and require the cookie to disable them ** | |
| [17:10:47] | Beirdo: | it's called WebShell, and I have it running over https |
| [17:11:23] | AndyCap: | sounds like a AUP violation. |
| [17:11:25] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [17:11:29] | Beirdo: | shuddup |
| [17:11:34] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:11:35] | gbee: | heh |
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| [17:11:48] | Beirdo: | this is why you don't ask |
| [17:12:12] | gbee: | or why you don't answer ;) |
| [17:12:19] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [17:12:31] | sphery: | I've found that fwknop allowing me to temporarily (30sec) forward port 443 traffic for my server from a specific IP address to port 22 + ssh port forwarding gets me through pretty much any hotspot/hotel/airport firewall |
| [17:12:56] | sphery: | could do port 80, too (as most tend to block ports other than 443 and 80) |
| [17:13:29] | AndyCap: | this is why adding moar prohibtions to patch moral panics undermines the respect for all of them |
| [17:13:35] | sphery: | where allowed by the AUP, that is |
| [17:14:01] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [17:14:11] | AndyCap: | there are hotspots that won't let you do ssh? |
| [17:14:20] | Beirdo: | anyone remember how to do amplification with transistors? |
| [17:14:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:15:40] | sphery: | AndyCap: yeah, I've found many that allow only port 80 and port 443 requests |
| [17:16:00] | AndyCap: | I'd want my money back. |
| [17:16:10] | sphery: | these being free hotspots |
| [17:16:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Setup NX on a home server... ;-) |
| [17:16:50] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [17:16:51] | AndyCap: | Hehe, I'd probably allow only ssh. |
| [17:17:02] | sphery: | they claim, "Free high-speed Internet," but really mean, "Free high-speed World Wide Web" |
| [17:17:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: To be able to do stuff on non-standard ports, etc.... only thing going through your company firewall would be SSH. ;-) |
| [17:17:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Internet == WW, dummy! |
| [17:17:35] | iamlindoro: | er WWW |
| [17:17:38] | Beirdo: | SSH?! |
| [17:17:46] | Beirdo: | are you kidding, they'd never allow that |
| [17:17:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: silly me |
| [17:18:15] | sphery: | if you allow ssh, you're allowing all forms of net traffic |
| [17:18:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Sheesh, everyone knows the Internet is Facebook, Pandora, Last.fm, and twitter |
| [17:18:32] | Beirdo: | and google |
| [17:18:33] | sphery: | and in such a way that it's encrypted so you can't even scan the traffic :) |
| [17:18:36] | Beirdo: | don't forget google |
| [17:18:39] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: not for most people ;) |
| [17:18:40] | sphery: | YouTube! |
| [17:18:53] | sphery: | what's the Internet without some guy crashing his skateboard? |
| [17:18:57] | iamlindoro: | If google were part of the internet for most people, we'd be a lot less busy in here |
| [17:18:58] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [17:19:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:19:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Not really... they block everything here... but ssh outbound is open, so I take advantage of that. ;-) |
| [17:19:22] | Beirdo: | J-e-f-f-A: your IT people are retarded then :) |
| [17:19:26] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yes, but through ssh, you can tunnel every other type of traffic |
| [17:19:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | right. |
| [17:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [17:19:39] | AndyCap: | sphery: well, you could just man in the middle all outbound ssh, I doubt that many people carry around their fingerprints |
| [17:19:58] | sphery: | heh, that would serve them right :) |
| [17:20:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Believe me, I know that for FACT... (retarded IT people) ... I submitted a request to open inbound SSH from the Internet to a specific server, and what did they do? They setup a rule to/from the internet for that server that was ANY/ANY.... WT*?????? |
| [17:20:58] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [17:21:18] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: you mean you cant recognize yours off hand? |
| [17:21:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | And of course, one of the admins had a weak password, and a script kiddie found the server and logged on and turned it into an FTP scanner... |
| [17:21:42] | gbee: | there has got to be a sensible way to spin disks down without it becoming inconvenient, I feel like I'm missing a trick |
| [17:22:04] | wagnerrp: | inconvenient how? |
| [17:22:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: especially with these new fingerprint ascii arts, anyone should be able to recognize them :) |
| [17:22:32] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: I was going to say, but of course you were running a host based firewall? but I guess I was wrong. |
| [17:22:54] | gbee: | as in 5 second wait times when you enter watch recordings because it's having to spin up the disks for the preview images, or the same when you start watching a recording |
| [17:23:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Spinning down is easy... It's getting the drive to spin up 1–5s before I actually try to use it, again, that's tough. |
| [17:23:08] | AndyCap: | gbee: noatime? |
| [17:23:29] | AndyCap: | gbee: oh, sorry. I read that wrong |
| [17:23:32] | Dibblah: | sphery: Something for the new events interface, combined with precognition. |
| [17:23:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: It's pretty bad when *you* know more about firewalls than your IT staff that's controlling them... They said "Oh, it has to be that way or it won't work!" Yeah, right!!!! |
| [17:24:13] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: well you could add events for 'idle' and 'not idle' |
| [17:24:16] | gbee: | I think precognition is definitely where the future lies, but there are some minor technical hurdles |
| [17:24:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: We had to get one of our overseas IT folks to log on to the firewall and properly implement the rule. |
| [17:24:43] | wagnerrp: | then add a script that fires off some empty 'touch' on 'not idle' |
| [17:25:10] | Dibblah: | Sure – But to spin a disk up when you need it, you need to know when you'll need it. |
| [17:25:51] | wagnerrp: | when the frontend comes out of idle |
| [17:26:14] | wagnerrp: | depending on where they are, it may provide enough time to spin up the disk before they try to access anything not in memory |
| [17:26:27] | sphery: | gbee: I'll bet that Google is working on it. |
| [17:26:41] | wagnerrp: | either that, or get a cheap flashdrive to hold your themecache |
| [17:26:43] | AndyCap: | gbee: but in your case. Have the thumbnails in memory so you won't have to wait and then spin up since you're obviously going to start playing something soon? :P |
| [17:26:51] | sphery: | Google Precrime Unit |
| [17:27:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: they dont deal with crime, only presearches |
| [17:27:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:27:34] | wagnerrp: | everything you want to know that day, already in your inbox when you wake up |
| [17:27:36] | AndyCap: | sphery: except they'll use geolocation data, gmail and google docs contents to nail you. |
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| [17:30:13] | gbee: | much as I'd like some fancy just-in-time spinup, I may just go the cronjob route, allow the disks to be spun down between midnight and 5–6pm, but spun up for that six hour period that I'd likely be watching recordings |
| [17:31:14] | Beirdo: | don't forget they need to spin up to MAKE recordings too :) |
| [17:32:15] | gbee: | Beirdo: ah, but the 5 second delay doesn't matter too much in that case |
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| [17:32:23] | Beirdo: | true |
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| [17:34:48] | sphery: | Think we could come up with a good use case for 48-core server for Myth? http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/03/03/48-cores-contest/ |
| [17:35:58] | wagnerrp: | video preview? |
| [17:36:01] | iamlindoro: | Someone out there likely could |
| [17:36:14] | sid3windr: | supertranscoder? :p |
| [17:36:19] | Beirdo: | realtime (or better) transcoding |
| [17:36:28] | iamlindoro: | Hahaha, in-advance previews |
| [17:36:38] | iamlindoro: | It transcodes so fast you can see the next hour of TV |
| [17:36:41] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [17:36:45] | Beirdo: | record all formats to 3gp in realtime |
| [17:36:48] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:36:48] | iamlindoro: | I'm watching the LOST finale on it right now |
| [17:36:56] | iamlindoro: | It's so fast I'm in the future! |
| [17:37:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:37:09] | sphery: | the whole, "Here's a tip: playing World of Warcraft faster than anyone is probably not going to get you the good stuff. Think about what you can do to help society, to help others. That will give you an edge" part makes it particularly challenging |
| [17:37:17] | sid3windr: | ah right |
| [17:37:25] | sid3windr: | "run cancer@home" |
| [17:37:26] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [17:37:29] | sid3windr: | or whatever it's called |
| [17:37:30] | sid3windr: | folding |
| [17:37:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:37:41] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately, the attributes of most myth users are the kinds of things evolution tends to attempt to filter out |
| [17:38:00] | sphery: | Truth is--free computer or not--I wouldn't want to pay the electricity bill for that one |
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| [17:38:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its not that bad, 115W TDP |
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| [17:39:52] | sphery: | including 4 12-core procs? |
| [17:39:56] | sphery: | or per? |
| [17:39:59] | wagnerrp: | per |
| [17:40:16] | sphery: | yeah, so that's basically 4 computers running just the procs |
| [17:40:20] | wagnerrp: | i mean thats better per core than the stuff youre using |
| [17:40:34] | sphery: | true--but I'm saying I don't need the cores, so it's a waste |
| [17:40:45] | wagnerrp: | oh, everyone needs the cores |
| [17:40:55] | wagnerrp: | just think of the ways you could use them |
| [17:41:12] | ** wagnerrp hand sphery pen and paper.... and envelope and postage ** | |
| [17:41:19] | sphery: | and while I'll donate cycles (and the electricity used for them) on computers I do use to BOINC projects, I won't run a computer just for BOINC |
| [17:41:52] | Beirdo: | boink boink boink... |
| [17:41:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:42:24] | sphery: | forgot how much Beirdo likes that name :) |
| [17:43:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Did a female jogger just run past your window? ;-) |
| [17:43:32] | Beirdo: | heh, no windows in this soulless cube |
| [17:43:52] | sphery: | Actually, he was just repeating what he heard this Swedish chef saying. |
| [17:44:01] | Beirdo: | is there a free version of pspice, I wonder? |
| [17:44:02] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs... ;-) ** | |
| [17:44:14] | sphery: | Beirdo: free but not Free |
| [17:44:42] | Beirdo: | I'd really like to simulate analog circuitry, and all |
| [17:44:54] | sphery: | Beirdo: nvm... I'm thinking cspise |
| [17:44:59] | sphery: | er, cspice |
| [17:45:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: You mean you don't prototype with solderless breadboards? ;-) |
| [17:45:34] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: ngspice? |
| [17:45:57] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngspice |
| [17:46:03] | AndyCap: | http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/list.html or something from here |
| [17:46:32] | iamlindoro: | He who controls the ngspice, controls the universe |
| [17:46:37] | sphery: | lol |
| [17:46:42] | iamlindoro: | The ngspice must flow |
| [17:46:43] | AndyCap: | the nguniverse |
| [17:46:53] | Beirdo: | that would likely work |
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| [17:56:21] | oobe: | anyone know if its the version my distro used in the latest update that breaks mythtv or is it the options it was built with 5.1.42 breaks it 5.1.39 works fine |
| [17:58:24] | oobe: | its not too important i just wanted to know if i made my own sql package if it would work using the same version |
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| [18:00:12] | oobe: | this is what it looks like in backend logs using the bad mysql version http://pastebin.ca/1823999 |
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| [18:15:54] | oobe: | ok found my answer |
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| [18:16:42] | oobe: | there is a bug in mysql the patch has been submitted and accepted but wont be in it til version 5.1.43 |
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| [18:17:20] | Beirdo: | oooh look. lucid has ngspice :) |
| [18:17:21] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at oobe ** | |
| [18:17:32] | oobe: | heh 5.1.44 is out already |
| [18:17:50] | Beirdo: | there are plenty of bugs in mysql, I'm sure this isn't news. |
| [18:18:12] | Beirdo: | if it were perfect, it wouldn't be written by humans |
| [18:18:13] | oobe: | it is related to my problem that i was asking about |
| [18:18:46] | oobe: | i upgraded to version 5.1.42 and myth would not work |
| [18:18:53] | oobe: | so i downgraded |
| [18:19:06] | iamlindoro: | Are those minor-minor numbers even assigned by MySQL? |
| [18:19:07] | kormoc: | did you rebuild against the new client libs that 5.1.42 had? |
| [18:19:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: points? Aye, they are |
| [18:19:18] | Beirdo: | patch-level numbers? yes |
| [18:19:18] | iamlindoro: | Or are they Ubuntu "we'll just tack these on here" numbers? |
| [18:19:21] | oobe: | kormoc, yea |
| [18:19:23] | Beirdo: | er points ;) |
| [18:19:25] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: Major.minor.point |
| [18:19:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:19:38] | Beirdo: | they are mysql versions |
| [18:19:41] | kormoc: | oobe: with the same bittyness? |
| [18:19:44] | Beirdo: | oracle now |
| [18:19:45] | iamlindoro: | Good to know for once that it's not ubuntu ;) |
| [18:19:46] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:19:47] | kormoc: | (32–32 64–64?) |
| [18:19:56] | oobe: | bittyness? |
| [18:20:10] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: now ubuntu tends to do 5.1.44–3 and the -3 is the ubuntu nonsense |
| [18:20:22] | iamlindoro: | lurvely |
| [18:20:24] | oobe: | here is what i read http://davmac.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/mysql- . . . ctive-story/ |
| [18:20:35] | Beirdo: | s/ubuntu/ubuntu or debian/ |
| [18:20:49] | kormoc: | oobe: and that's unrelated to the log you posted earlier |
| [18:20:58] | Beirdo: | most distros add local versioning |
| [18:21:25] | kormoc: | it's true, but I just dislike debian's/ubuntu's stealth style |
| [18:21:38] | Beirdo: | how is that stealth? |
| [18:21:40] | oobe: | kormoc, i found it in this thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/387205 which had the same messages |
| [18:21:45] | kormoc: | gentoo has it as -r# is always the format for the distro one |
| [18:22:09] | Beirdo: | yeah well. gentoo ain't linux. it's freebsd running on a linux kernel :) |
| [18:22:22] | kormoc: | Beirdo: cause it's not always the same, they actually use .# at times for distro version which is annoying |
| [18:22:38] | Beirdo: | they aren't supposed to |
| [18:22:57] | kormoc: | they have |
| [18:23:07] | Beirdo: | the numbering scheme for debian/ubuntu is quite standardized. Granted, some tards do it wrong |
| [18:23:35] | kormoc: | oobe: from that post "Incorrect arguments to mysql_stmt_execute " vs your error "reading initial communication packet', system error: 0" |
| [18:23:42] | kormoc: | they are not the same |
| [18:24:06] | oobe: | yea i was looking at the Driver error |
| [18:24:56] | kormoc: | "Unable to connect" vs "Unable to execute statement " ? |
| [18:25:30] | iamlindoro: | So anyone with a PS3 and an interest in games with plot, holy cos is Heavy Rain awesome |
| [18:25:50] | iamlindoro: | er holy cow |
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| [18:26:41] | oobe: | kormoc, so its possible its just how my distro packaged it or its a completly different bug |
| [18:26:59] | kormoc: | Yes, it's not the same bug |
| [18:27:06] | oobe: | damn |
| [18:27:10] | kormoc: | language... |
| [18:27:18] | oobe: | lol |
| [18:27:43] | kormoc: | And you're is more indicative of a client server communications mismatch then anything else, as it's failing to handshake properly |
| [18:27:53] | kormoc: | it's not a laughing matter... |
| [18:28:41] | oobe: | well downgrading mysql fixed it just fine |
| [18:28:49] | oobe: | im just worried about future updates |
| [18:29:19] | Beirdo: | when you upgraded mysql, did you recompile with the new client lib? |
| [18:29:26] | Beirdo: | recompile mythtv that is |
| [18:29:39] | kormoc: | and did you upgrade the client along with the server or only the server? |
| [18:29:54] | Beirdo: | precisely |
| [18:32:06] | oobe: | thats a good question when i got the error i rebuilt all of mythtv |
| [18:32:10] | oobe: | and installed it |
| [18:32:20] | kormoc: | on the same box? |
| [18:32:23] | kormoc: | different box? |
| [18:32:26] | oobe: | yea |
| [18:32:43] | oobe: | but it didnt work so i downgraded sql then rebuilt myth again |
| [18:33:33] | oobe: | in my haste i may not of installed the new version of myth but i doubt that |
| [18:34:06] | oobe: | it was on the same box |
| [18:44:16] | oobe: | so having said all that i may update mysql again then try rebuilding mythtv again as i may not of installed them correctly last time |
| [18:44:40] | oobe: | i hope that is the problem even if it means i made a stupid mistake |
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| [19:08:31] | oobe: | didnt work btw |
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| [19:22:19] | oobe: | kormoc, it was a bug with 5.1.42 i built 5.1.44 using the same build scripts and options as my distro and it works |
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| [19:28:50] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: "Are you saying that the Mythbuntu-repos package should require you to subscribe to the mailing list before you can activate the 0.23 builds?" |
| [19:28:57] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: We would sure prefer it if it did :) |
| [19:29:47] | iamlindoro: | since we generally have to beg users to read commits/dev when they're running trunk, even though it's pretty much our policy not to provide help to anyone who doesn't, or at least to give them a hard time about how they should be |
| [19:31:02] | iamlindoro: | Not because we want to discourage testing, but because it's hard enough to support the released version, let alone having to treat trunk like a release-- people running trunk have to be on top of commits to know what is broken, and what's intended to be broken |
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| [19:31:34] | oobe: | so devs intentionally break things ? |
| [19:31:52] | wagnerrp: | oobe: absolutely, it livens things up a bit |
| [19:32:01] | oobe: | :p |
| [19:32:04] | oobe: | lol |
| [19:32:11] | iamlindoro: | 100% serious, yes |
| [19:32:21] | iamlindoro: | things are quite often done in steps, with known breakage |
| [19:32:24] | devinheitmueller: | oobe: that's a liberty that developers are allowed to exercise in the development tree. |
| [19:32:46] | oobe: | yea it makes sense |
| [19:32:58] | gbee: | maintaining large changes outside the tree which is a moving target is otherwise difficult |
| [19:33:06] | oobe: | was just seeing the humour in the phrasing |
| [19:33:42] | iamlindoro: | also, quite often one man's broken is another man's fixed |
| [19:33:43] | sid3windr: | oobe: frack, I now have the same mysql problem :( |
| [19:33:52] | iamlindoro: | for example, I consider external player support broken, because it exists |
| [19:34:03] | oobe: | sid3windr, i built 5.1.44 and it works |
| [19:34:07] | iamlindoro: | when I "fix" that, others will consider external player support broken |
| [19:34:13] | oobe: | also downgrading to 5.1.39 worked too |
| [19:34:22] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: luckily you have users helping you fix that |
| [19:34:23] | sid3windr: | but how did this suddenly break |
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| [19:34:26] | sid3windr: | I'm running debian lenny :/ |
| [19:34:32] | sid3windr: | on FE and BE |
| [19:34:33] | oobe: | i dont need the newest version but i was worried that newest would not work |
| [19:34:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ha |
| [19:36:02] | oobe: | sid3windr, well i dont use that distro however i will say downgrading to 5.1.39 worked also build 5.1.44 worked too |
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| [19:36:10] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [19:36:39] | oobe: | i built 5.1.44 using same build options as my distros package manager |
| [19:36:53] | oobe: | just to make sure its not how they build it |
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| [19:38:21] | sid3windr: | weird stuff |
| [19:38:23] | sid3windr: | I'm on 5.0 even |
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| [19:38:56] | oobe: | sid3windr, yea you would be if its lenny i cant see why that would effect you then |
| [19:39:15] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [19:39:17] | sid3windr: | I wonder too |
| [19:39:25] | sid3windr: | "suddenly" my FE stopped working |
| [19:39:30] | sid3windr: | and now it can't connect to the db |
| [19:39:47] | sid3windr: | mysql commandline client gives me ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading authorization packet', system error: 0 |
| [19:39:55] | sid3windr: | so it looks awfully suspiciously the same :p |
| [19:39:59] | sid3windr: | but I guess it's not related |
| [19:40:33] | kormoc: | if the command line is giving that error, then your client is likely outdated |
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| [19:43:28] | kormoc: | sid3windr: try increasing your connect_timeout value |
| [19:43:36] | sid3windr: | kormoc: except it's also 5.0... and always worked :) |
| [19:43:40] | sid3windr: | yeh, maybe |
| [19:43:53] | sid3windr: | but it's not like this is going over the interwebs :| |
| [19:44:32] | kormoc: | 5.0? |
| [19:44:44] | kormoc: | 5.0 to a 5.1 or 5.1 to a 5.0? |
| [19:45:13] | sid3windr: | 5.0 to 5.0 |
| [19:45:21] | sid3windr: | hence the "also" ;) |
| [19:45:30] | wagnerrp: | youve got to have the .1 |
| [19:45:31] | sid3windr: | I wonder what broke |
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| [20:17:10] | jst: | Hmm, is it possible to use USB instead of FireWire to change channels on a STB? |
| [20:18:28] | devinheitmueller: | jst usually not. The USB ports on cable boxes tend to be USB *host* ports. |
| [20:18:44] | jst: | Ahh, roger that. Thanks once again. :) |
| [20:18:52] | devinheitmueller: | np |
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| [20:19:07] | devinheitmueller: | On the upside, if you hook up a USB keyboard, you can usually change channels. ;-) |
| [20:19:28] | devinheitmueller: | So you just need a USB keyboard and a Lego Mindstorms kit. |
| [20:21:00] | dmb: | :P |
| [20:21:03] | jst: | So, I realize that you should be able to view non-5C-encrypted channels via the FireWire cable... And this same port can be used to change channels? |
| [20:21:37] | devinheitmueller: | That is my understanding, although I don't have any firsthand experience with firewire. |
| [20:21:46] | dmb: | isn't there supposed to be some standard coming out soon, that should allow us to view encrypted channels without an STB? |
| [20:21:59] | sid3windr: | you mean "CI" ? :P |
| [20:22:01] | wagnerrp: | tru2way |
| [20:22:11] | dmb: | not cablecard though :P |
| [20:22:16] | iamlindoro: | Nothing that's any different than cablecard rightswise-- meaning useless to Myth |
| [20:22:19] | wagnerrp: | which is likely to be as much a failure as cablecard |
| [20:22:39] | wagnerrp: | failure for the consumer, anyway |
| [20:22:42] | devinheitmueller: | The cable companies *want* you to rent STBs for every television in your house. |
| [20:22:50] | dmb: | yeah |
| [20:22:55] | dmb: | which i don't want :P |
| [20:22:56] | devinheitmueller: | Being able to watch TV without an STB is what they *don't* want. |
| [20:23:06] | jst: | Wow, my cable company offers the Samsung H3050... a tru2way box. |
| [20:23:22] | dmb: | wagnerrp: why would cablecard/true2way not work with myth if it ever comes out? |
| [20:23:28] | devinheitmueller: | dmb: DRM. |
| [20:23:35] | dmb: | ugh |
| [20:23:37] | jst: | I know it's irrelevant for my purposes, but I'm shocked that they have new equipment. |
| [20:23:42] | wagnerrp: | DRM and open source do not mix |
| [20:23:46] | wagnerrp: | they can not mix |
| [20:23:54] | devinheitmueller: | The CableLabs specification mandates that any implementor must enforce the DRM. |
| [20:24:01] | dmb: | so now they don't want people recording whats on tv? |
| [20:24:12] | devinheitmueller: | dmb: only if you pay extra for one of their DVRs. |
| [20:24:14] | wagnerrp: | have they ever? |
| [20:24:29] | ** dmb is not a fan of DRM ** | |
| [20:24:35] | wagnerrp: | you can buy a cablecard tuner for windows and use it right now |
| [20:24:44] | wagnerrp: | however you forfeit control over the recorded content |
| [20:25:07] | dmb: | less rights us consumers have now a days |
| [20:25:18] | wagnerrp: | it remains encrypted on your hard drive, it remains encrypted all the way to your display device, and the cableco has a say in everything you may want to do with that recording |
| [20:25:23] | sid3windr: | digital restrictions management \o/ |
| [20:25:31] | wagnerrp: | so it really offers no advantages over the rental STB |
| [20:25:56] | dmb: | devinheitmueller: btw, we wound up getting around 20inches on that last snow storm |
| [20:25:58] | dmb: | in mahwah |
| [20:26:00] | devinheitmueller: | oh? |
| [20:26:01] | devinheitmueller: | Wow. |
| [20:26:07] | devinheitmueller: | We got less than 2 inches. |
| [20:26:11] | devinheitmueller: | It's really weird here. |
| [20:26:16] | dmb: | yeah |
| [20:26:18] | devinheitmueller: | We got missed by pretty much all the recent blizzards. |
| [20:26:23] | dmb: | its all pretty much melted now though |
| [20:26:43] | devinheitmueller: | I bought new snow boots for nothing! |
| [20:31:27] | jst: | Kudos to W7MC for enabling CableCard support, but why the hell don't they offer software frontends (or "extenders")? Absolutely worthless. |
| [20:31:54] | iamlindoro: | Heh, enabling |
| [20:32:02] | jst: | I guess one could access the recordings from a share, but live TV from another machine would not be possible. |
| [20:32:13] | iamlindoro: | Good luck with that |
| [20:32:21] | iamlindoro: | You can't do anything remotely like that |
| [20:32:32] | iamlindoro: | CAblecard recordings are paired to the cablecard itself |
| [20:32:58] | jst: | From what I understand, if they're "free-to-copy" recordings, you can view them from other machines. |
| [20:33:12] | iamlindoro: | If they're free to copy, you don't need cablecard. |
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| [20:33:40] | jst: | Touche. |
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| [20:34:07] | cipher42: | any advice on speeding up the video playback on the frontend? |
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| [20:34:32] | wagnerrp: | what kind of content? |
| [20:34:39] | cipher42: | live tv |
| [20:34:55] | cipher42: | it's fine on my beasty computer at home, but lags on pretty much everything else |
| [20:35:00] | cipher42: | even tv recordings |
| [20:35:12] | wagnerrp: | what kind of livetv |
| [20:35:13] | cipher42: | using a hdpvr on the backend |
| [20:35:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah.... not much you can do about that |
| [20:35:28] | wagnerrp: | turn down the bitrate |
| [20:35:31] | wagnerrp: | or get new equipment |
| [20:35:40] | cipher42: | front end equipment? |
| [20:35:40] | devinheitmueller: | Spend $20 on a GTA210 card. |
| [20:35:55] | wagnerrp: | (if the machines take PCIe cards) |
| [20:36:01] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: true. |
| [20:36:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, frontend handles all playback duties |
| [20:36:27] | cipher42: | graphics card? |
| [20:36:41] | wagnerrp: | yes, the GT210 is a graphics card |
| [20:36:46] | devinheitmueller: | cipher42: yeah, graphics cards like the GTA210 have H.264 acceleration in hardware. |
| [20:36:48] | cipher42: | seems like it's more about the processor than the video card for the decoding on the frontend? |
| [20:36:55] | devinheitmueller: | (thereby reducing the need for a frontend with a fast CPU) |
| [20:37:00] | cipher42: | i have a gtx 260 at home |
| [20:37:03] | cipher42: | super fast |
| [20:37:06] | wagnerrp: | ever since the 8-series GPUs, nVidia graphics cards have supported decode offloading for various formats |
| [20:37:19] | cipher42: | this computer has a 8 something |
| [20:37:22] | cipher42: | but it's still slow |
| [20:37:27] | wagnerrp: | 8-what? |
| [20:37:41] | devinheitmueller: | I think the vdpau stuff really only started working in the 8400, right? |
| [20:37:56] | cipher42: | 8400 gs |
| [20:37:59] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU works in everything but the original 8800 GTX and GTS cards |
| [20:38:34] | wagnerrp: | the 8400 was a rare card that did hardware decode of the VC-1 entropy coding, supporting VC-1 playback |
| [20:38:37] | iamlindoro: | + 8100 |
| [20:38:54] | wagnerrp: | but that has been offloaded onto the shaders, or maybe onto the CPU on cards that are lacking it |
| [20:39:05] | wagnerrp: | the drivers handle the hardware deficiency somehow |
| [20:39:19] | wagnerrp: | an 8100 even exists? |
| [20:39:27] | iamlindoro: | yes, and won't do viddypoo |
| [20:39:37] | wagnerrp: | laptops? |
| [20:39:50] | cipher42: | looks like my 8400 is suppose to have h.264 video decoding |
| [20:39:52] | cipher42: | but it's slow |
| [20:40:00] | wagnerrp: | or was that some form of 7-series rebranding |
| [20:40:06] | devinheitmueller: | cipher42: did you enable vdpau playback? |
| [20:40:16] | devinheitmueller: | It's in the playback profiles screen on the frontend configuration. |
| [20:40:17] | cipher42: | i don't think so, how do i do that? |
| [20:40:22] | wagnerrp: | cipher42: its a hardware decoder, 3D performance has no relevance |
| [20:40:35] | cipher42: | ok, i'll look for it, thanks |
| [20:40:44] | wagnerrp: | choose the VDPAU 'mid-grade', whatever that is |
| [20:40:51] | wagnerrp: | there are three pre-defined profiles for VDPAU |
| [20:40:55] | oobe: | sid3windr, did you figure out what went wrong with your frontend errors |
| [20:40:56] | devinheitmueller: | I think the default is "CPU+", so you have to enable VDPAU to get the benefits of it. |
| [20:40:57] | wagnerrp: | choose the one that sounds like its in the middle |
| [20:41:12] | sid3windr: | oobe: nope |
| [20:41:26] | sid3windr: | I upped the connect_timeout on the mysql server and now the queries go through |
| [20:41:29] | sid3windr: | albeit very very very slowly |
| [20:41:34] | sid3windr: | been waiting like 20min to start my frontend |
| [20:41:37] | sid3windr: | and it's almost there |
| [20:41:53] | sid3windr: | (does not help that it does 1 query per possible setting, and then some) |
| [20:42:02] | dmb: | time to try thrashing the registers and see if i can get audio working :P |
| [20:42:12] | oobe: | do a test to see if it can connect to mysql 'mysql -umythtv -ppassword -h ipaddress mythconverg' |
| [20:42:18] | sid3windr: | uh yea |
| [20:42:21] | cipher42: | "Use HW acceleration for live recording preview" ? |
| [20:42:25] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:42:28] | sid3windr: | that 's where the paste above came from |
| [20:42:29] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [20:42:30] | wagnerrp: | thats a non-functional setting anyway |
| [20:42:31] | cipher42: | do i want that too? |
| [20:42:36] | cipher42: | ok |
| [20:42:41] | sid3windr: | and it "barely works" |
| [20:42:52] | cipher42: | haven't found the vdpau yet |
| [20:42:58] | sid3windr: | not a myth problem per se, but everything on this box works fine including a wget from the frontend or scp |
| [20:43:03] | oobe: | 20 mins to start you frontend? |
| [20:43:05] | sid3windr: | simply mysql is dog slow :[ |
| [20:43:12] | wagnerrp: | setup--> tv settings --> playback --> 3rd page |
| [20:43:20] | wagnerrp: | you should see 'current video playback profile', change that |
| [20:43:59] | oobe: | sid3windr, test it can connect using mysql with the example i gave above |
| [20:44:02] | sid3windr: | oobe: yeah, doing about 2 queries per second |
| [20:44:14] | sid3windr: | oobe: you're not reading what I'm writing ... :) |
| [20:44:32] | oobe: | i am |
| [20:44:47] | sid3windr: | I'll write it again more clearly then |
| [20:44:50] | sid3windr: | yes, it can connect to mysql |
| [20:44:55] | sid3windr: | yes, it is connected to mysql |
| [20:44:56] | oobe: | oh |
| [20:45:04] | sid3windr: | how would it be doing queries otherwise :p |
| [20:45:07] | cipher42: | thanks |
| [20:45:11] | sid3windr: | so connecting works since I upped the connect_timeout |
| [20:45:19] | sid3windr: | something is just terribly slow somewhere :/ |
| [20:45:22] | cipher42: | wow that's soooooo much faster... |
| [20:45:23] | cipher42: | omg |
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| [20:47:00] | sid3windr: | mythfrontend does WAY too many queries, I can tell you that :P |
| [20:47:25] | wagnerrp: | no it doesnt, your sql server is just too slow |
| [20:47:27] | dmb: | is there any other db support besides mysql? |
| [20:47:31] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:47:31] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [20:47:59] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: yes, it is slow and I'm trying to find out what's causing it, but I saw over 500 queries passing in tshark just to start the thing up, that's really not normal. :P |
| [20:48:35] | wagnerrp: | ALL of myth's settings are stored in the database |
| [20:48:38] | wagnerrp: | and theres a lot of them |
| [20:48:39] | iamlindoro: | What defines "normal"? Myth has to pull in its settings. |
| [20:48:41] | sid3windr: | select data from settings where setting = 'ohai'; select data from settings where setting = 'my my'; ... |
| [20:48:42] | wagnerrp: | several hundred in fact |
| [20:48:48] | dmb: | wagnerrp: accept the db name and password :P |
| [20:48:54] | sid3windr: | select * from settings where hostname='host' is a little more efficient |
| [20:49:03] | sid3windr: | but I admit even that normally takes only 2 seconds ;) |
| [20:49:29] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: some settings want a host, others want no host |
| [20:49:35] | sid3windr: | I know |
| [20:49:38] | sid3windr: | so that's 2 queries then |
| [20:49:42] | sid3windr: | not 400 |
| [20:49:43] | wagnerrp: | and if you did it that way, you would need to create some internal store of all that information |
| [20:49:49] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [20:49:50] | iamlindoro: | And it's different pieces of code calling each setting, not some central spot sulling them in one at a time |
| [20:49:53] | wagnerrp: | that would have to be adged, and flushed |
| [20:50:08] | wagnerrp: | s/adged/aged/ |
| [20:50:08] | iamlindoro: | gContext->GetSetting(settingname); |
| [20:50:10] | sid3windr: | do you mean you're not storing it at all, and getting the keyboard mapping every time again when you chang screens/plugins? :) |
| [20:50:54] | iamlindoro: | You're not discovering some oversight in myth, you just don't know how it works |
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| [20:51:00] | sid3windr: | obviously |
| [20:51:03] | sid3windr: | I'm just wondering |
| [20:51:16] | iamlindoro: | Myth has a settings cache |
| [20:51:17] | sid3windr: | it's not like I'm going to redesign it :) |
| [20:51:27] | wagnerrp: | people have claimed to |
| [20:51:32] | iamlindoro: | the frontend can selectively flush the settings and reload |
| [20:51:53] | trinity: | hi is there any sat usb card supported in ubuntu staright out of the box? |
| [20:51:56] | iamlindoro: | the cache is loaded on startup, but which settings are loaded are called by ,any different pieces of code, not a monolithic LoadSettings function |
| [20:52:12] | wagnerrp: | trinity: for that, you would have to ask in #ubuntu |
| [20:52:13] | sid3windr: | I see :) |
| [20:52:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: love your response on " Need to change video renderer on some DVD ISO's" |
| [20:53:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hey, it says right there, in the UI, 'dont use this', 'dont use this one either, but definately not the other one' |
| [20:53:33] | sphery: | no joke |
| [20:53:42] | sphery: | if Xv isn't working, don't even try |
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| [20:56:29] | wagnerrp: | im half surprised he didnt complain about it being in a tiny box in the middle of the screen |
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| [20:59:09] | sid3windr: | trinity: I'd go and let someone design a new one with the 2 million quid I had in my pocket... :) |
| [21:00:18] | trinity: | there is not much to design few thigs to add in that stupid driver with card id |
| [21:01:08] | devinheitmueller: | trinity: feel free to submit a patch then. |
| [21:01:22] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Hear that? Not much to do to get a DVB card working-- a chip here, some text editing there, done! |
| [21:01:28] | iamlindoro: | HA, apparently we had the same idea |
| [21:01:32] | devinheitmueller: | The challenge is knowing what *those things* are. |
| [21:02:13] | devinheitmueller: | In that case, you need more than a new card id. You would need to get the tm6000 bridge driver fully debugged (right know it's in terrible shape). |
| [21:02:55] | devinheitmueller: | Also, she apparently doesn't realize that somebody actually has to write the drivers in the first place before somebody can just add a new card id. |
| [21:02:57] | sphery: | funny that the bridge driver is the issue when the one who wants it to work is doing so well at burning bridges |
| [21:03:23] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, no need to poke fun. |
| [21:04:37] | sid3windr: | let's play some bridge |
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| [21:04:42] | sid3windr: | builder |
| [21:04:51] | dmb: | how about poker? |
| [21:05:04] | devinheitmueller: | No, let's play Global thermonuclear war! |
| [21:06:07] | AndyCap: | Fine. |
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| [21:06:22] | _abbenormal: | im in |
| [21:07:19] | Beirdo: | Wooohooo |
| [21:07:36] | Beirdo: | I played "analog design" and I won |
| [21:07:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:08:09] | Beirdo: | I nowknow exactly how to control the current limit for the LEDs |
| [21:08:49] | tzanger: | nice, but for what? |
| [21:08:49] | sphery: | and if you graph the current limit over time, you'll have the historical limit--and can extrapolate a future limit! |
| [21:08:51] | Beirdo: | if only I could find a SPICE model for the precise LED I wanna use :) |
| [21:08:51] | cipher42: | is there a way to resize the frontend? |
| [21:09:10] | Beirdo: | tzanger: USB 4-way IR transmitter |
| [21:09:17] | sphery: | cipher42: Appearance settings... no "dynamic" resizing, though |
| [21:09:26] | cipher42: | gotcha thanks |
| [21:09:32] | sphery: | (as MythTV is designed as an appliance to run on the TV) |
| [21:09:41] | Beirdo: | gonna make the current limit tweakable from the host via the microcontroller |
| [21:10:06] | tzanger: | digital pot or something more interesting? |
| [21:10:09] | Beirdo: | PWM is my friend... and a couple NPN transistors |
| [21:10:22] | Beirdo: | and a LPF of course :) |
| [21:11:25] | Beirdo: | common emmitter, one saturating (to switch the LED on and off), and one in the active region to limit the current flow (current amplifier) |
| [21:11:46] | Beirdo: | the LED will be connected between 5V and the output of the circuit |
| [21:13:01] | Beirdo: | cool huh? |
| [21:13:03] | tzanger: | you don't need a current limiter if you're using PWM |
| [21:13:43] | Beirdo: | yes I do |
| [21:13:55] | Beirdo: | I'm not driving the LEDs off the IO pins directly |
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| [21:15:09] | Beirdo: | I'm drawing like 500uA from the capacitor charged by the pin (LPF) |
| [21:15:39] | clever: | Beirdo: what resistor would you use between the base and uC? |
| [21:15:57] | clever: | i think i'm using a 50ohm one right now, but the transistor isnt 100% on |
| [21:16:25] | tzanger: | Beirdo: right but you can use a fixed resistor to do that |
| [21:16:46] | Beirdo: | 10k + 8nF for the LPF. 10k from the output of the LPF to the base of the limiting transisto |
| [21:16:54] | tzanger: | you'd size the resistor to allow more current flow than normal since it's PWM and you can ensure you won't leave it fixed-on |
| [21:17:13] | Beirdo: | that's not the issue |
| [21:17:26] | Beirdo: | I don't want to overload the power of the micro |
| [21:17:29] | clever: | Beirdo: my collector->emiter current is somewhat low, the brightness goes up some more if i just short c<->e |
| [21:17:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:17:48] | Beirdo: | I'm running common emmitter |
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| [21:18:06] | clever: | basicaly, i took a 12v LED light for the car interior |
| [21:18:15] | clever: | and i'm switching its GND thru the NPN |
| [21:18:27] | clever: | +5 from the uC switches the gnd for the light |
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| [21:18:59] | clever: | i think it pulls 300mA when connected directly to a battery |
| [21:19:14] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [21:19:26] | Beirdo: | how many LEDs is that? |
| [21:19:37] | maddslacker: | I have a question about MythVideo and mkv video files |
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| [21:19:47] | clever: | a 4 x 6 grid of super brights |
| [21:20:00] | Beirdo: | K |
| [21:20:03] | clever: | its almost blinding to look at normaly |
| [21:20:30] | Beirdo: | anyways, I have my reasoning for the circuit I designed :) |
| [21:20:31] | clever: | i think the current limiting resistors are in already, its meant to be connected directly to the 12v in a car |
| [21:20:52] | GreyFoxx: | madsl: Ask away |
| [21:21:05] | Beirdo: | and I can't directly drive the LED with the PWM as it's remote control signals... |
| [21:21:05] | maddslacker: | cool, thanks |
| [21:21:31] | clever: | right now, i have +5v->50ohm->base |
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| [21:21:40] | clever: | emited->gnd, collector->led->+12v |
| [21:21:53] | maddslacker: | mythtv/video 0.22, the video plays, but no audio. I can play the video with mplayer or vlc and it's perfect. I also tried to set the mythvideo player to mplayer rather than internal, but no change |
| [21:21:59] | clever: | Beirdo: that sound right |
| [21:22:00] | clever: | ? |
| [21:22:18] | maddslacker: | **this is x264 only, avi's and everything else are fine |
| [21:22:22] | Beirdo: | you making me calculate :) |
| [21:22:47] | Beirdo: | you're putting 100ma into the base? |
| [21:22:53] | GreyFoxx: | what codec are the audio in ? |
| [21:22:56] | Beirdo: | that sounds like way too much |
| [21:23:14] | clever: | i checked it with my meter and it didnt look that high |
| [21:23:15] | Beirdo: | what's the hfe of that transistor? |
| [21:23:23] | maddslacker: | GreyFoxx, I'll check real quick, I'm guessing aac though |
| [21:23:41] | GreyFoxx: | If it's aac you have to make sure you have libfaad support compiled in I think |
| [21:23:48] | GreyFoxx: | at least that's what I had to do |
| [21:23:50] | Beirdo: | 5v / 50ohm = 100ma |
| [21:23:55] | maddslacker: | makes sense |
| [21:24:02] | clever: | Beirdo: doesnt say HFE, VCE==30v, IC==800mA,dissipation=1.8W |
| [21:24:14] | maddslacker: | but what about when I set the player to mplayer? shouldn't it then play anything mplayer can handle on its own? |
| [21:24:21] | Beirdo: | OK, what part number? heh |
| [21:24:26] | clever: | Beirdo: o wait i see it, 200 hFE |
| [21:24:34] | Beirdo: | 200 |
| [21:24:46] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: That's a different issue |
| [21:24:59] | iamlindoro: | you are having issues because you are forcing myth to choke down pulseaudio |
| [21:25:10] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, how so? |
| [21:25:11] | Beirdo: | OK, so if you put 100mA in the base, that will drive 2A? through the LED?! |
| [21:25:22] | Beirdo: | tzanger: am I calculating this right? |
| [21:25:25] | clever: | Beirdo: and it looks more like 47kohms when i check the color codes online |
| [21:25:26] | iamlindoro: | So myth is doing the right thing and suspending it, which means you have prevented external players from using pulseaudio |
| [21:25:30] | Beirdo: | it will obviously saturate |
| [21:25:33] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, how can I check that |
| [21:25:39] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: Myth .22 is not compatible with pulseaudio, and you are using pulseaudio |
| [21:25:43] | Beirdo: | oooh, 47k. |
| [21:25:45] | clever: | so i was in the 50k not 50 range |
| [21:25:58] | clever: | my meter is confusing, very cheap |
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| [21:26:04] | Beirdo: | that's more like |
| [21:26:14] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, I'm not sure that I am? as that was mythvideo calls for audio? |
| [21:26:26] | tzanger: | Beirdo: what's the gain of the transistor |
| [21:26:39] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: You are. What is your distro? |
| [21:26:45] | Beirdo: | hfe of 200 for the one clever's using |
| [21:26:48] | Beirdo: | 100 for mine |
| [21:26:55] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, slackware 13.0 |
| [21:27:00] | tzanger: | oh 0.1A * 200 = 20A is what it will want to drive |
| [21:27:03] | Beirdo: | so... 47k to base from 5V... 100uA |
| [21:27:07] | tzanger: | so unless you got a 50A supply :-) |
| [21:27:16] | clever: | Beirdo: the LED package works fine without any external limiting, i can just wire it directly to a 12v source |
| [21:27:17] | iamlindoro: | Then yes, you are using pulseaudio |
| [21:27:26] | Beirdo: | so the Ice = 20mA |
| [21:27:29] | iamlindoro: | with Myth, an application that is forced to suspend pulseaudio |
| [21:27:35] | iamlindoro: | and access ALSA directly |
| [21:27:51] | Beirdo: | tzanger: sorry, right |
| [21:27:51] | maddslacker: | ah, gotcha |
| [21:28:02] | clever: | Beirdo: ok, the math says 0.1mA thru the transistor? |
| [21:28:02] | Beirdo: | 100uA -> 20mA |
| [21:28:03] | iamlindoro: | therefore when myth is running, it prevents applications that *do* try to use pulseaudio from working. Solution: Remove pulseaudio. |
| [21:28:07] | clever: | ah |
| [21:28:15] | maddslacker: | I like that |
| [21:28:15] | clever: | 100uA * 200? |
| [21:28:19] | iamlindoro: | or, better solution, compile myth against libfaad as GreyFoxx suggested |
| [21:28:21] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [21:28:21] | tzanger: | .0001 * 200 = 20mA yes |
| [21:28:22] | maddslacker: | never have liked pulseaudio anyway |
| [21:28:31] | maddslacker: | it is AAC by the way |
| [21:28:32] | clever: | ok, now i might be able to work out what i need |
| [21:28:50] | maddslacker: | yeah, I have libfaad, so no reason not to do that |
| [21:28:59] | tzanger: | but why would you use a transistor to give you 20mA for an LED? what's wrong with a resistor? what are you trying to do that requires a constant current on the LED? |
| [21:29:02] | Beirdo: | :) in common emitter, your Ib and hfe are the man variables |
| [21:29:06] | clever: | Beirdo: looks like i want 1.5mA thru the transistor |
| [21:29:15] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [21:29:26] | Beirdo: | I don't think your transistor can handle that |
| [21:29:32] | jamesd2: | perhaps one day Linux will decide on a audio standard that will work everyone.. i think they are on there 6th or 7th audio server now... |
| [21:29:41] | tzanger: | that's something many people don't take into account |
| [21:29:43] | clever: | Beirdo: 3.3kohm? |
| [21:29:51] | tzanger: | little TO92 package won't let them deliver an Amp (for very long) |
| [21:29:58] | clever: | Beirdo: it mentions IC==800mA |
| [21:30:03] | Beirdo: | ok |
| [21:30:16] | tzanger: | clever: you want Pd and Vce as well |
| [21:30:25] | clever: | VCE is 30v |
| [21:30:31] | clever: | the most i'm dealing with is 12 |
| [21:30:42] | Beirdo: | ok you should be able to do 1.5mA in then. -> 300mA out |
| [21:30:47] | tzanger: | yes but Ic of 800mA won't mean 12V 800mA continuous |
| [21:30:54] | Beirdo: | true |
| [21:31:05] | tzanger: | that's almost 10W you're going to be dissipating |
| [21:31:07] | clever: | but if i only want 300ma, i'm well below that |
| [21:31:10] | Beirdo: | Pd is important too (power dissipation) |
| [21:31:12] | tzanger: | what's the case style? |
| [21:31:25] | clever: | it also says dissipation=1.8W so 10w will toast it |
| [21:31:48] | clever: | just the normal half cylinder with 2 leads in a row |
| [21:32:09] | clever: | 3* |
| [21:32:11] | Beirdo: | oooh, nice the quad package I wanna sue.. 1W dissipation max |
| [21:32:12] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, I just confirmed slackware does not use pulseaudio |
| [21:32:14] | tzanger: | yeah you're gonna want a bigger transistor by the sounds of it |
| [21:32:32] | clever: | i dont need to limit the current really |
| [21:32:37] | clever: | 100% saturation would do |
| [21:32:45] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, it's available as an add-on package, but I have not installed it |
| [21:32:58] | Beirdo: | then why are you using a transistor again? |
| [21:33:01] | Beirdo: | switch :) |
| [21:33:06] | Beirdo: | on/off.. done ;) |
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| [21:33:25] | clever: | yeah, a high-current switch so i dont pull 300mA from a 20mA IO pin |
| [21:33:27] | tzanger: | oh |
| [21:33:28] | Beirdo: | oh, you are putting this on a micro |
| [21:33:32] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:33:34] | tzanger: | you won't have 12V across the transistor then |
| [21:33:39] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: Google seems to disagree with that |
| [21:33:39] | tzanger: | you'll have 1.4V (approx) |
| [21:34:02] | clever: | tzanger: its wired as gnd->(emiter->collector)->led->+12v |
| [21:34:11] | tzanger: | yes |
| [21:34:21] | tzanger: | you want a resistor between the lED and 12V to limit current |
| [21:34:22] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: More specifically, if you're using gnome, you are using pulse by default |
| [21:34:24] | clever: | and a +5 on the base (via the resistor) switches it |
| [21:34:27] | tzanger: | you want 20mA on the LED? |
| [21:34:31] | maddslacker: | I confirmed with one of the slack packagers at ## slackware |
| [21:34:37] | clever: | tzanger: no, i dont want any current limiting on the LED |
| [21:34:39] | maddslacker: | he said neiher Pat nor he added it |
| [21:34:41] | clever: | thats already in the package |
| [21:34:46] | tzanger: | clever: oh okay |
| [21:34:51] | clever: | i want to limit the +5v->base current |
| [21:34:52] | Beirdo: | tzanger: ummm, no, he wants 300mA through the LED |
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| [21:35:07] | tzanger: | clever: just as a switch? throw a 1k resistor in there |
| [21:35:13] | clever: | ok, let me find one |
| [21:35:29] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, I am looking to recompile with libfaad either way |
| [21:35:39] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: It's not a matter of adding it, it's part of a default gnome install |
| [21:35:40] | tzanger: | 300mA in the LED (internally limited) will be fine for the transistor from the sounds of it. P=VI = 1.4*.3 =400mW |
| [21:35:42] | Beirdo: | tzanger: as a base resistor? |
| [21:35:55] | iamlindoro: | "New: Pulseaudio is now installed as the default GNOME SlackBuild sound server." |
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| [21:36:02] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, slackware doesn't have gnome, hasn't for years |
| [21:36:06] | Beirdo: | 1k is too small a resistance, that will give him 1A Ice |
| [21:36:08] | tzanger: | Beirdo: yeah, 5–0.7 = 4.3V / 1000 = 4mA into the base |
| [21:36:09] | jamesd2: | damm i was trying to get into #mythtv-users not #hackaday hmm strange xchat says #mythtv-users perhaps irssi or bitchx won't have this problem ;-) |
| [21:36:22] | tzanger: | Beirdo: if the LED is internally current limiting then he doesn' thave to worry about it |
| [21:36:32] | tzanger: | you don't want to use the transistor as a current limit because now it's dissipating all the power |
| [21:36:35] | Beirdo: | oh, yeah, I guess so |
| [21:36:51] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: K, behavior still implies that you are using pulse, however-- that's the only way I am aware of to not get audio in an external programs-- anyway, do as you like, just speaking from intimate knowledge of myth |
| [21:37:28] | tzanger: | use a resistor in series with the LED, for 300mA it's about 12V – 1.4V(Vce) – Vd (LED, say 2V) = 8.4V / .3 = 30 ohms or so |
| [21:37:34] | tzanger: | 33 ohms is a common value |
| [21:37:38] | maddslacker: | no worries, I think libfaad is the correct approach anyway |
| [21:38:01] | clever: | tzanger: as i said a few times, i dont need a resistor in series with the led pack, it was designed to plug right into a 12v system |
| [21:38:06] | clever: | it already has that |
| [21:38:15] | tzanger: | P=VVR = 8.4*8.4/33 or about 2W |
| [21:38:21] | tzanger: | clever: yeah then you're golden |
| [21:38:52] | clever: | with a dead short between +5 and the base, the whole thing seems to brown out |
| [21:39:01] | clever: | so i need atleast a little bit of resistor there |
| [21:39:24] | tzanger: | clever: well you're drawing a lot of current through the base of the transistor, and it's not happy about that |
| [21:39:32] | clever: | of course |
| [21:39:42] | clever: | but it is 100% saturated and turning the led on, and everything else off :P |
| [21:40:00] | tzanger: | 1k should be more than enough. 4mA into the base will cause the transistor to try to pass 800mA through the collector |
| [21:40:25] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, is it mythtv itself, or mythvideo that needs to be compiled against libfaad? |
| [21:40:27] | tzanger: | you could use 330 ohms or so too that also limits the base current to an acceptable level and drives the transistor on harder, although probably not necessary |
| [21:40:40] | tzanger: | clever: "and everything else off" — with a 1k resistor? |
| [21:40:43] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker: MythTV. MythVideo provides no video playback of any kind |
| [21:40:48] | clever: | tzanger: havent tried a 1k yet |
| [21:40:59] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, that's what I thought, but just making sure |
| [21:41:04] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo is *only* the metadata management and UI. It doesn't do the video playback itself. |
| [21:41:16] | iamlindoro: | (which is provided by MythTV itself) |
| [21:41:18] | tzanger: | oh, yeah you NEED base resistance. it's essentially a forward-biased diode when you're putting 5V there so you're probably dragging down the 5V bus with what is essentially a short to ground |
| [21:41:28] | maddslacker: | right, just an interface, yes? |
| [21:41:35] | clever: | tzanger: yeah thats what i thought |
| [21:41:39] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm done with working |
| [21:41:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:41:46] | iamlindoro: | Interface, metadata management, etc. |
| [21:41:52] | Beirdo: | it's VACATION time |
| [21:41:53] | maddslacker: | right |
| [21:42:17] | maddslacker: | so lacking pulseaudio, is thre any other reason changing the player from internal to mplayer doesn't work? |
| [21:42:49] | Beirdo: | TTYL. I'm heading home |
| [21:42:50] | iamlindoro: | broken configuration of mplayer in myth or systemwide |
| [21:43:04] | Beirdo: | tzanger: I'll have schematics, etc available eventually |
| [21:43:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:43:07] | maddslacker: | it works standalone |
| [21:43:17] | tzanger: | Beirdo: nice, enjoy your vacation. where are you headed? |
| [21:43:23] | Beirdo: | Seattle |
| [21:43:57] | Beirdo: | kormoc: get ready to drink soon :) |
| [21:43:59] | jamesd2: | were sorry... |
| [21:43:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:44:01] | iamlindoro: | Then you're using a different configuration in myth, or you're using pulseaudio in spite of any protests that you're not |
| [21:44:04] | Beirdo: | sorry?! |
| [21:44:13] | clever: | tzanger: ok, the led is a good deal brighter now :D |
| [21:44:25] | Beirdo: | !trout jamesd good job opportunities |
| [21:44:25] | ** MythLogBot slaps jamesd with a good job opportunities trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [21:44:29] | jamesd2: | seatle north... and this is still kinda winter time... florida would be better... |
| [21:44:41] | Beirdo: | seattle's 55F or so |
| [21:44:45] | Beirdo: | I'll deal |
| [21:44:56] | maddslacker: | I'm not protesting that I'm not using it, but simply that it isn't bundled with my distro...anyway, I don't see a --enable-libfaad in ./configure --help... |
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| [21:45:07] | tzanger: | Beirdo: nice, enjoy |
| [21:45:22] | Beirdo: | I intend to... |
| [21:45:30] | clever: | tzanger: looks 100% saturated, shorting c->e doesnt make it any brighter |
| [21:45:35] | iamlindoro: | ./configure --help |grep libfaad |
| [21:45:35] | iamlindoro: | --enable-libfaad enable FAAD support via libfaad [no] |
| [21:45:37] | tzanger: | clever: that's shorted |
| [21:45:42] | tzanger: | er not shorted |
| [21:45:43] | tzanger: | saturated |
| [21:45:45] | tzanger: | so you're good |
| [21:45:48] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:45:48] | iamlindoro: | If you don't see that, you're not configuring myth ;) |
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| [21:45:55] | tzanger: | the voltage drop across the transistor will be about 1.4V |
| [21:45:57] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, yup. just did...screen had scrolled is how I missed it before |
| [21:46:00] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: or a VERY old one |
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| [21:46:25] | clever: | looks like 5mA acording to the math |
| [21:46:27] | clever: | well within my 20mA limit |
| [21:46:59] | Beirdo: | seeya on the flip side |
| [21:47:11] | clever: | dang its good, i'm seeing spots now |
| [21:47:39] | jkwood: | For the record, default Slackware does NOT come with pulseaudio, as evidenced by the existence of http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/pulseaudio/ , a third-party script. |
| [21:47:46] | clever: | tzanger: and its actualy 14–15v input |
| [21:48:09] | maddslacker: | jkwood, I know, I tried to point that out |
| [21:48:18] | maddslacker: | also: |
| [21:48:33] | maddslacker: | find /usr/lib* -iname "*pulse*" |
| [21:48:34] | maddslacker: | find: `/usr/lib64/mozilla/extensions': Permission denied |
| [21:48:36] | maddslacker: | comes back with nada |
| [21:48:50] | tzanger: | bbl |
| [21:49:21] | iamlindoro: | Nobody argued that it did or didn't come with any particular package, merely that the behavior in question indicated the individual user was running it |
| [21:49:24] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, I'll see if I can add a link recommending people to subscribe to the list |
| [21:49:30] | iamlindoro: | I do so love it when the storm troopers descend |
| [21:49:36] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: cool |
| [21:49:42] | clever: | tzanger: thanks and bye:) |
| [21:51:36] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, well, I have successfully deluded myself that I am not running a package that my distro does not have |
| [21:52:35] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [21:52:49] | iamlindoro: | /mode #mythtv-users +Q |
| [21:52:51] | iamlindoro: | would be so nice |
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| [21:53:06] | maddslacker: | grrr, I have to see if I backed up my build script, as I think I changed stuff then |
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| [21:53:52] | cipher42: | what should i do if the backend thinks someone is watching live tv but they aren't |
| [21:53:58] | iamlindoro: | restart the backend |
| [21:54:37] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, +Q? you trying to mute everyone? |
| [21:54:45] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Yes :) |
| [21:54:54] | maddslacker: | heh |
| [21:55:19] | ** jkwood puts iamlindoro on his list of jackasses ** | |
| [21:55:21] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: heh, isnt tht what justinh sometimes does? ;) |
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| [21:55:31] | sid3windr: | lulz |
| [21:55:44] | tgm4883: | nice |
| [21:55:44] | maddslacker: | that wasn't me |
| [21:56:02] | iamlindoro: | Ah, the epitome of IRC courage-- the snarky remark and running away |
| [21:56:17] | maddslacker: | well, he probably assumed a kick |
| [21:56:29] | tgm4883: | then he should stick around for a proper kick |
| [21:56:38] | iamlindoro: | He would have assumed correctly, but if you're going to take a shot, at least take the consequences |
| [21:56:47] | iamlindoro: | and don't run like a little girl |
| [21:57:25] | maddslacker: | man the inets suck at the office, getting to my server over ssh is painfully slow |
| [21:57:30] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, not my fault his distro is defunct |
| [21:57:50] | tgm4883: | he should run Mythbuntu instead ;) |
| [21:58:37] | maddslacker: | hey, my dsitro is fine |
| [21:58:38] | maddslacker: | *distro |
| [21:58:55] | tgm4883: | maddslacker, what distro is that? |
| [21:59:03] | maddslacker: | salckware |
| [21:59:05] | maddslacker: | *slackware |
| [21:59:10] | maddslacker: | stupid keyboard |
| [21:59:13] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [21:59:25] | maddslacker: | 64bit on the test machine, 32bit on the real one |
| [21:59:27] | tgm4883: | maddslacker, yea, the keyboard |
| [21:59:29] | maddslacker: | both work grat, overall |
| [21:59:36] | iamlindoro: | Not saying there's anything wrong with it, just that it's doomed. |
| [21:59:38] | maddslacker: | heh |
| [22:00:21] | maddslacker: | well I tried buntu and it was mehtastic |
| [22:00:33] | tgm4883: | I used slackware for a while, then I realized I didn't like pain |
| [22:00:45] | tgm4883: | of course, that was 10 years ago |
| [22:00:52] | tgm4883: | so I hope its better now |
| [22:00:52] | maddslacker: | I used it for a while, if 10 years is "a while" |
| [22:00:58] | maddslacker: | yeah, it's changed a lot |
| [22:01:08] | maddslacker: | has a package manager and everything |
| [22:01:09] | tgm4883: | Do you have repos now? |
| [22:01:12] | tgm4883: | sweet |
| [22:01:28] | maddslacker: | mirrors, but yeah |
| [22:01:34] | tgm4883: | I think there was 1 non-official repo when I used it |
| [22:01:36] | maddslacker: | they get pissy if you cal lthem repos...heh |
| [22:01:45] | tgm4883: | anyway, this is totally off topic |
| [22:02:01] | maddslacker: | yes |
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| [22:22:40] | kormoc: | Beirdo: soon? I'm ready to drink now! :) |
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| [22:29:58] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: foxbuntu: I'm not sure if you guys caught it, but thanks to some hard work by sphery, themes can now contain their own fonts and they don't need to be installed systemwide-- so you don't need to worrk about getting those installed in your theme packages |
| [22:30:21] | iamlindoro: | er worry |
| [22:30:40] | iamlindoro: | Just in case anyone was worrying about Arclight/Childish/LCARS/etc. packages |
| [22:30:58] | ** iamlindoro pokes kormoc about voting ** | |
| [22:31:05] | iamlindoro: | and immediately feels bad for badgering |
| [22:31:16] | ** sphery already has his botnet set to start voting... ** | |
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| [22:31:25] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [22:31:51] | sphery: | I got a great deal on one called the "Mariposa" botnet |
| [22:32:06] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: Tomorrow afternoon it'll be up! If not, you can hunt me down and put a bullet in me! (just not in the face!) |
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| [22:32:19] | iamlindoro: | I would never destroy such a work of art |
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| [22:32:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: thanks |
| [22:33:13] | iamlindoro: | I figure we've still got a week or two anyway before we need to declare a result |
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| [22:33:32] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [22:33:57] | ** dustybin watches what people say without saying anything ** | |
| [22:34:16] | iamlindoro: | You know, when you say that you're not saying something, it wuins it |
| [22:34:24] | iamlindoro: | ruins |
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| [22:36:15] | maddslacker: | man, I forgot how long this takes to compile |
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| [22:40:32] | jams: | dog gone it, can't find the button for stealth mode |
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| [22:58:06] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, it compiled nicely on my test box with libfaad, I'll do it on the real one when I get home tonight |
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| [23:06:37] | kothog: | Thanks for the unban. Hopefully I'm not a gomer and didn't get the throttle control bits wrong in this version of xchat. |
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| [23:08:20] | miky0870: | hello |
| [23:08:34] | ** kormoc tips his hat ** | |
| [23:09:06] | miky0870: | is there anyone that can give me a little help ? |
| [23:09:47] | Beirdo: | probaby |
| [23:09:56] | kormoc: | All our agents are helping other customers at the moment. Your business is important to us. Please stay on the line and a representative will help you shortly. *Cue elevator music* |
| [23:09:58] | tgm4883: | miky0870, I don't think there are any mindreaders here |
| [23:10:11] | Beirdo: | unless you are looking for psychiatric help... that we can't provide |
| [23:10:32] | kothog: | well.. some can but i'm not sure normal people would call it 'help' :-) |
| [23:10:35] | miky0870: | :) no, help with mythtv config |
| [23:11:15] | miky0870: | I use it and it's very good, collect data with mythfilldatabase but need something more via dvb-t |
| [23:12:40] | miky0870: | I still haven't found a way to configure the collection of EIT data |
| [23:13:21] | miky0870: | anyone knows something deeper ? |
| [23:14:26] | Beirdo: | I'm sure the documentation and the wiki do. Have you started there? |
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| [23:14:37] | miky0870: | yes, done all |
| [23:14:53] | miky0870: | I think via software is well configured |
| [23:15:29] | miky0870: | but maybe is a hardware issue |
| [23:16:06] | miky0870: | when configured first time it run then stopped and never worked again |
| [23:16:33] | miky0870: | the pci card is an hauppauge nova-t card |
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| [23:17:31] | miky0870: | it stopped after I configured first time the collection of data via tv_grab_it and mythflldatabase |
| [23:18:23] | miky0870: | under win the card work ok, give the program name and data in epg via dvb, but in mythtv it doesn't |
| [23:18:39] | miky0870: | any hint ? |
| [23:19:05] | kormoc: | is epg enabled in mythtv-setup? |
| [23:19:13] | miky0870: | yes |
| [23:19:38] | miky0870: | I just check again now |
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| [23:22:00] | miky0870: | use dvb card for EIT scan is checked |
| [23:22:13] | miky0870: | in recorder option |
| [23:23:51] | miky0870: | I read there is a way to "reset" the card deleting all channel info and inserting them again ... but didn't try |
| [23:24:09] | miky0870: | any hint ? |
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| [23:39:45] | beata-: | Theme question i have a 55inch tv runing 1920x1080 resolution. on any of the themes i select there is a lot of wasted space to the right/left. Any easy way to tell the theme to use more screen size without hacking at code? |
| [23:41:07] | iamlindoro: | nope, many of the themes obey overscan safety rules |
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| [23:41:23] | iamlindoro: | you could, however, choose a theme that doesn't care about overscan safety rules |
| [23:41:32] | beata-: | know any? |
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| [23:41:53] | iamlindoro: | There's one that I know of, but won't work on any version of Myth other than the development version |
| [23:42:04] | beata-: | thats fine i can update to head |
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| [23:42:18] | GreyFoxx: | we've been using blue-abstract for the last month. My wife and daughter love it |
| [23:42:27] | GreyFoxx: | I just replaced the background image with one we preferred |
| [23:42:29] | iamlindoro: | Personally I would advise waiting until it actuall becomes .23 in a week or two |
| [23:44:13] | beata-: | im running svn 23076 atm |
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| [23:44:27] | beata-: | and thank GreyFoxx il take a look |
| [23:46:16] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and trunk contains the only native 1920x1080 theme too. :P |
| [23:50:15] | beata-: | Arclight |
| [23:50:44] | kormoc: | Arclight was broken with my last -trunk update, shall have to update again and try again |
| [23:50:52] | kormoc: | it was extremely odd |
| [23:51:15] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!~chris@h115.183.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | |
| [23:51:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, broken in what way? |
| [23:51:46] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: went to a vertical list and none of the images displayed correctly |
| [23:52:01] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, What went to a vertical list? |
| [23:52:14] | iamlindoro: | (All of arclight is vertical lists already) |
| [23:52:28] | kormoc: | the main menu, which is horizontal, no? |
| [23:52:44] | iamlindoro: | nope, has never been in any released version |
| [23:52:59] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you had one of my pre-release versions installed |
| [23:53:13] | kormoc: | yes, I did indeed |
| [23:53:20] | fryfrog: | does uh, anyone want a google wave invite? i have one left |
| [23:53:22] | kormoc: | I didn't know that swapped |
| [23:53:36] | kormoc: | explains a good part of it why it was 'crazy' :) |
| [23:54:11] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, http://www.fecitfacta.com/arclight-menu.png |
| [23:54:20] | kormoc: | yup |
| [23:54:23] | kormoc: | that'd be it |
| [23:54:38] | kormoc: | and here I thought the right image wasn't loading right |
| [23:54:49] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:55:13] | sphery: | kormoc: That's what you get for using pre-release code... Weren't you following iamlindoro-dev and iamlindoro-commits? :) |
| [23:55:17] | iamlindoro: | "Hi, i hope ive got the right email. Just downloaded arclight today (im using mythbuntu Karmic with the .23 autobuilds option), and it appears the background images (the tendrils) are heavily pixelated (ive attached them). Would it be possible for you to email me the proper images please? Thanks. I do understand that this is still WIP for you." |
| [23:55:21] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:55:26] | iamlindoro: | response: |
| [23:55:27] | iamlindoro: | These are the proper images... |
| [23:55:32] | iamlindoro: | response to response: |
| [23:55:39] | iamlindoro: | "really?! dont you think it looks a little umm.. jarring seeing really blocky images mixed in with high-res fanart etc., i mean i know i can change them but still.." |
| [23:55:47] | iamlindoro: | thanks, buddy! |
| [23:56:04] | fryfrog: | everyone's a critic :) |
| [23:56:14] | iamlindoro: | s/critic/bannable word/ |
| [23:57:07] | sphery: | and, until you cleaned up the channel, what was a banal word |
| [23:58:50] | kormoc: | sphery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banal |
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