Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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** Beirdo slaps cygwin to the ground **

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Beirdo:

BRB, getting vodka

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Beirdo:

OK, there we go

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jamesd2:

don't forget the cranberry or orange juice.. you must have vitamins

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Beirdo:

screw vitamins :) I need my vitamin B00ze to deal with cygwin's damage :)

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clever:

yeah cygwin does damage things alot

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clever:

the +x'd files cant be deleted on a normal windows system

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clever:

so its imposible to move everything out to a new drive

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jamesd2:

by the time you have enough booze on board to deal with cygwin, you won't be in a usable state long enough to fix anything wrong with cygwin... thus why cygwin is the way it is.

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Beirdo:

bah, they are just system files :)

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Beirdo:

jamesd2: yeah, there is some truth to that

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clever:

Beirdo: more then that, i think its using a non-standard system flag

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clever:

also, that system flag your thinking of has major effects on defrag

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clever:

atleast in win 3.11 days

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clever:

any 'system' file was locked in place and couldnt be defraged

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clever:

in 3.11's case, the swap file must be 1 chunk with no extra segments/holes

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Beirdo:

kinda irrelevant these dayas

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clever:

modern defrag programs may obey the same old and now useless rules

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AndyCap:

uh, non-standard system flag? what are you talking about?

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clever:

just like how a modern 64bit CPU still starts up in 286 compatibility mode

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clever:

it was some special flag that win xp home couldnt remove and made the files un-deleteable

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kormoc:

AndyCap: he's not talking about something, he's talking out something...

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AndyCap:

I C:

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clever:

i htink i formated the drive long ago

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

I has mythweb again :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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nutron:

:> What's the holdup with .23? :P

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[R]:

i thought there was a huge thread on that in the ml

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[R]:

nutron: do yo uwant somethihng that is good... or do you want crap?

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nutron:

Oh! Missed it. I usually just say it to push iamlindoro's buttons.

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jamesd2:

he wants crap with lots and lots of new features...

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nutron:

Heh, just a joke :o...

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[R]:

its a joke that got old like 50 years ago

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Beirdo:

if ya want crap with lots and lots of broken features, Windows awaits :)

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nutron:

Nope, it changed when .22 was released. Anyway [R] which mailing list ... users or dev?

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[R]:

i dont know

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[R]:

i dint atcually pay attnetion to it

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[R]:

because i hate people bitching about such things

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Beirdo:

heh

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nutron:

Ahh, I see. Well I'm just checkin' in really, and curious as to the theme contest and the spanky new goodness that is a pending release. Don't mind me, as I don't intend to ruffle your feathers.

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Beirdo:

well, the bugs are in the process of being squashed

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Beirdo:

which y'all can see on trac

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Beirdo:

I wouldn't expect a release while bugs are open against the milestone

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Beirdo:

!seen vanski

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MythLogBot:

vanski has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

?!

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Beirdo:

!seen venski

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MythLogBot:

venski has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

!seen vanksi

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MythLogBot:

vanksi was last seen 6 days 7 hours 18 minutes ago

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Beirdo:

finally

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

if he doesn't get back to me, I'm "worksforme" fixing his bug

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Beirdo:

!seen Cardoe

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MythLogBot:

Cardoe was last seen 44 days 23 hours 52 minutes 35 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

dang

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iamlindoro:

He never pops up much any more

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Beirdo:

just saw him leaving #buildbot

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Beirdo:

didn't realize he was even there :)

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iamlindoro:

#gentoo-mythtv maybe?

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Beirdo:

oh, probably. I just wanted to say hi :) been a while

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oobe:

!seen oobe

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MythLogBot:

oobe is here and has been idle for 15 hours 42 minutes 13 seconds

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oobe:

lol

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oobe:

i love doing that

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iamlindoro:

yes, we're all thrilled about it too

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oobe:

!seen dagmar

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MythLogBot:

dagmar was last seen 34 days 23 hours 39 minutes 27 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

!seen mchou

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MythLogBot:

mchou was last seen 1 day 7 hours 5 minutes 20 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

not long enough, I say :)

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iamlindoro:

banlist rollcall

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Beirdo:

OK then, Cubber

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oobe:

that ban on dagmar is just for his nick so I guess he could just change his nick and personality and no one would know

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Beirdo:

well, he'd have to change the personality :)(

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iamlindoro:

If he changed his nick and personality then it wouldn't be an issue

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oobe:

i like being ironic

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Beirdo:

heh

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oobe:

hah the jokes on you im being nice

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jamesd2:

!seen popeye_on_tv

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MythLogBot:

popeye_on_tv has not been seen here

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oobe:

and you would never know it was me mwa haha

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oobe:

Dagmar has actually been away for 34 days but only banned one week

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar has been banned the entire time

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iamlindoro:

it definitely wasn't a week ago

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wagnerrp:

it was Jan 25th

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wagnerrp:

so yes, about 34 days

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wagnerrp:

crap... recordings failed again tonight

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Beirdo:

je m'en fiche de ca

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Beirdo:

missing an accent on the c.

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Beirdo:

Dagmar--

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Beirdo:

gah, failed recordings... suck..

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Beirdo:

OMG

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wagnerrp:

the backend crashed

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wagnerrp:

why did the backend crash

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Beirdo:

./configure just worked under cygwin for beirdobot

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

only took 3 evenings

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wagnerrp:

nothing in any of the logs as to why the backend restarted

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wagnerrp:

im going to power cycle my HDHR

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

/usr/bin/make: /usr/bin/make: cannot execute binary file

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Beirdo:

guh?!?!

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iamlindoro:

sudo make me a sadnwich

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iamlindoro:

sandwich

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Beirdo:

!trout cygwin stupid abomination

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** MythLogBot slaps cygwin with a stupid abomination trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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iamlindoro:

http://xkcd.com/149/

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jamesd2:

iamlindoro, password:

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wagnerrp:

so now im four recordings down

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wagnerrp:

three of which i can probably recover

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iamlindoro:

12345

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oobe:

where i have i seen sudo make me a sandwich before?

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wagnerrp:

what? how do you know my luggage code?

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iamlindoro:

in the link above...

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oobe:

yeah lol that was funny

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oobe:

it is good on so many levels

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: nice

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oobe:

wagnerrp, what are you running myth on ?

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oobe:

*buntu?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Beirdo:

I'd bet he's running it on a computer

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iamlindoro:

sshhhh, don't give it away

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oobe:

lol thats why i said buntu so he knew i meant OS

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Beirdo:

oops

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sphery:

I thought all the cool kids were running MythTV on toys--not computers--these days. (Atom-/ION-based systems. :)

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Beirdo:

OK, fine :)

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iamlindoro:

They were, until Graphite/Arclight/Whatever Iamlindoro theme we're angry at this week melted them into slag

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Beirdo:

my Atom/GMA500 toy is on its way :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you put together those themes?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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Beirdo:

nice work

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iamlindoro:

thanks!

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sphery:

Beirdo: it's worth the cost to upgrade to ArclightPro. Then you get the non-pixellated version of the background.

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iamlindoro:

hah

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Beirdo:

currently got Arclight running

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wagnerrp:

dont forget the anti-freedom font

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ah come ON

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sphery:

but you said the font's only available in the Ultra package

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oobe:

iamlindoro, i have seen Whatever is it good?

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iamlindoro:

Whatever is Arclight with boobies

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oobe:

oh lol

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** Beirdo makes yet another rude gesture towards cygwin **

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oobe:

i would like to see that

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oobe:

i run cygwin under wine

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oobe:

heaps more stable

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Beirdo:

./configure: line 8465: syntax error: unexpected end of file

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Beirdo:

?!

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wagnerrp:

has anyone else had problem keeping NTP running?

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Beirdo:

why oh why!?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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oobe:

wagnerrp, what OS are you using?

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Beirdo:

usually it's because my machine drifted too much

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Beirdo:

Linux

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ive never been able to make it stay synced for more than a week or so

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oobe:

what distro are ou using wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

check the drift file

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wagnerrp:

im not running a distro

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Beirdo:

/etc/ntp/drift (I think)

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Beirdo:

something like taht

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oobe:

so you built all your binaries from scratch in an LFS style chroot?

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Beirdo:

unless you have Theo de Radt's castrated ntpd

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Beirdo:

then you are screwed

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wagnerrp:

well i already reset it with ntpdate, so drift is 0

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Beirdo:

doubt it :)

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wagnerrp:

it hasnt had time to recompute

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Beirdo:

it stores the drift as a filtered PLL value and shouldn't be clearing it

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wagnerrp:

erm... no

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wagnerrp:

that file has never been touched

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wagnerrp:

the date on it is 1999

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

it's likely not calculating it. crap

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Beirdo:

my linode's drift is nasty.

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Beirdo:

101.150

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wagnerrp:

somehow the machine running the server was off by four minutes

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wagnerrp:

my two backends were off by a couple seconds

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

hint

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Beirdo:

after it gets synched...

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Beirdo:

hwclock -w

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

dont got no 'hwclock'

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Beirdo:

save you a bit of trouble on reboot

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Beirdo:

or clock -w -u... or however you write to the hardware clock chip

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wagnerrp:

well theres the problem

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Beirdo:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

i have ntp writing to a file in a folder that doesnt exist

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Beirdo:

eek

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wagnerrp:

looks like the file got moved at some point

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

so when i copied my old file over

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wagnerrp:

it was no good

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Beirdo:

/var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift maybe?

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wagnerrp:

old ntp.conf that is

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Beirdo:

oooh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats where my conf file says to go currently

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Beirdo:

I used to modify my startup to do ntpdate ; ntpdate ; ntpd

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Beirdo:

with servers on the ntpdate, of course

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Beirdo:

but now, I usually just add burst to the peer config line

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Beirdo:

which makes it sync faster

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** Beirdo pokes motd2k_ **

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Beirdo:

flappy flappy!

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clever:

i find my system isnt storing the clock on shutdown

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wagnerrp:

why would that make any difference?

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motd2k_:

sorry :/

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clever:

so every single time i boot, its off by 2 hours

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Beirdo:

clever: so do it yourself

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wagnerrp:

(running it twice)

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

ahh, the first time gets the step

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clever:

Beirdo: yeah, been thinking of just whacking the bios

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Beirdo:

the second time to slew it

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Beirdo:

likely not necessary

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Beirdo:

but at least one before starting ntpd is definitely helpful

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Beirdo:

then the PLL loop in ntpd has a lot less work to do to pull in a sync

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clever:

mine refuses to even sync because of how far off it is

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Beirdo:

assuming once again you have xntpd, not openntpd

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clever:

i always have to ntpdate it into the general area

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Beirdo:

precisely what I was saying, clever

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Beirdo:

and once it syncs, write it to the hw clock (if you can) :)

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clever:

but it isnt:P

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Beirdo:

there's no reason to have the hw clock wrong if you can help it

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Beirdo:

isn't what?

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Beirdo:

hwclock -w

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Beirdo:

as root

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clever:

i'll give that a try

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Beirdo:

or clock -w -u (for older distros)

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clever:

i'll know if it worked in a few weeks

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clever:

maybe months

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Beirdo:

of course, man on the commands to make sure I didn't misremember :)

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Beirdo:

the biggest issue that ntpd has to overcome is the sheer crappiness of PC clock chips

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Beirdo:

they jitter, they are at the wrong frequency often, etc

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clever:

i had major clock problems when i first used my sata card

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Beirdo:

so pulling in a real sync can be tough

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clever:

the sata and ethernet shared an irq

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clever:

which made the system clock lag massively

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Beirdo:

oh yeah, and some drivers disable the clock for "short" times which really accumulate after a while

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clever:

moving the sata card to another slot fixed it

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Beirdo:

PC architectures are JUNK

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clever:

i think it was just spending too much time in irq state

[02:15:07]

clever:

it got an irq that wasnt for the hdd and then busy-waited for the hdd to reply

[02:15:56]

** Beirdo wishes he had the money to buy Sun hardware **

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clever:

ive got 2 or 3 sun systems here

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clever:

but havent gotten them to boot an ubuntu sparc cd yet

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Beirdo:

at least they knew how to create good hardware

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iamlindoro:

it doesn't count if Sun made the hardware over a decade ago, clever

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Beirdo:

I had an 8-way Enterprise 1500

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Then it's a museum piece

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clever:

iamlindoro: this is modern hardware with sata ports and everything

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kormoc:

you know, if a commercial's fine print is so fine that it renders at 3 pixels high on 1080i, it should be illegal...

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: still well designed :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo: and still newer then clever's newest hardware...

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iamlindoro:

I admin'd Spac IPXs, 10s, and 20s at my first job

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clever:

4, maybe 5 sun towers

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clever:

one is a ultra10

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: nice. horribly slow, but nice

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Beirdo:

Ultra10 is ancient :)

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I was *just* about to say that

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iamlindoro:

ancient

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, Yeah

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clever:

ok, let me see what the others are

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iamlindoro:

top of the line at the time, but yeesh

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tmkt:

iamlindoro: arclight released yet?

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Beirdo:

says the person who just shut off the Ultra5/OpenBSD firewall a couple weeks ago

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iamlindoro:

tmkt, long since

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tmkt:

ah..been looking at your web page daily

[02:18:52]

tmkt:

and news part not updated

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clever:

ah, had them mixed up

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clever:

TWO ultra 10's and ONE ultra25

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Beirdo:

anyways... I want one of the new multi-core Opteron Sun boxes

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iamlindoro:

tmkt, Committed to trunk five seeks ago

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iamlindoro:

er weeks

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Beirdo:

5 sikhs ago?

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clever:

and a sunblade 2500

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tmkt:

yeah..thought so when i saw on gossamer threads mention that it was relesed

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clever:

Beirdo: how do those sound?

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tmkt:

so guess i have to move to 023

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Beirdo:

the blade might be fun

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Beirdo:

the others are... old.

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iamlindoro:

tmkt, or just wait for us to release it, which shouldn't be all that long

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Beirdo:

fun toys though :)

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clever:

the ultra25 looks the nicest inside

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innatech:

Will myth automagically manage livetv storage? It seems to be happily filling the designated filesystem (on its own partition.)

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iamlindoro:

innatech, yes

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tmkt:

ok will do

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clever:

iamlindoro: once its near ~1–5gig, it will start deleting

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Beirdo:

an AMDX2 will blow them all away, but yeah, Sun knew how to build em

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clever:

innatech: oops

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innatech:

clever: so, if it has grown to 20GB I should probably look into it, eh?

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tmkt:

where do i buy the font?

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iamlindoro:

innatech, no

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iamlindoro:

innatech, it will fill the available space

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iamlindoro:

and then expire after (by default) 24 hours or when needed

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innatech:

iamlindoro, OK, thanks for the clarification. I will refrain from panicking.

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clever:

iamlindoro: 1–5gig FREE space

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innatech:

ah. Gotcha.

[02:22:09]

clever:

or 24 hours old

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innatech:

Considering that I gave it a 25gb partition for that purpose, 20gb makes perfect sense. Cool.

[02:24:33]

innatech:

Also, to all the devs monitoring — thanks. I'm truly loving Myth, foibles and frustrations getting up and running aside.

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clever:

Beirdo: looks like the sunblade is currently single core

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clever:

or atleast single die

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clever:

this isnt sata.....

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clever:

scsi

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Beirdo:

duh

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Beirdo:

all those machines are pre-SATA

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Beirdo:

as far as I know

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clever:

the ultra25 had sata

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clever:

the sunblade2500 has scsi

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clever:

both of them have the ports&power on a 'riser' card so there is no ribbon cables going everywhere

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andreax:

Hm. My Remote Frontend is driving me nuts. No idea why it cant find any renderer anymore (and the log say theyre not compiled in)... :(

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Beirdo:

ahh, the sounds of people coming and going

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oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/21634/541aaedff99a077b07160cbe76c1f338.jpg

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andreax:

hahaha! :)

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oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/14355/381e385f90cc4eb53bb6a5fe0aa26df5.jpg

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wagnerrp:

http://fukung.net/v/20576/c41335bcd266e466600a35040d480ef6.jpg

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wagnerrp:

the fourth one is just amazing

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oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/14361/abb8930a70946b8b9a7d61b7831e28a4.jpg

[04:03:22]

oobe:

lol

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oobe:

yea that is cool

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andreax:

hehehe rofl.. baaaad! :)

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tmkt:

hey hey..anyone have a mythmovies solution for canada?

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oobe:

i never go to the movies

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oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/20590/4a5aff1b5728002a1345d1b6facf217f.gif

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bortoelnino:

hi, I'm getting occasional 'stutter' when watching live tv

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bortoelnino:

this is in the frontend log

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bortoelnino:

2–01 19:17:34.125 AFD: codec MP2 has 2 channels

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bortoelnino:

2010-02–01 19:17:34.126 AFD: Opened codec 0xaa1e6d70, id(MP2) type(Audio)

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bortoelnino:

2010-02–01 19:17:34.377 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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bortoelnino:

2010-02–01 19:17:43.625 [mp2 @ 0x114c6c0]Header missing

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bortoelnino:

2010-02–01 19:17:43.625 AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error

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bortoelnino:

2010-02–01 19:17:45.585 [mp2 @ 0x114c6c0]Header missing

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bortoelnino:

is that just crappy reception?

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iamlindoro:

most likely, yes.

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iamlindoro:

A damaged stream of one type or another, usually as a result of poor reception

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bortoelnino:

iamlindoro : I had a pci dtv card before and I never saw anything like this, but on this new box with a usb dtv receiver I get the mosiac-ey pixellation

[04:22:54]

bortoelnino:

iamlindoro: is that just the way it is; are pci cards just better than usb dongles?

[04:23:33]

iamlindoro:

The bus is unlikely to be the issue in question, but every tuner will be of different quality

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bortoelnino:

I tried buying a new one, but they ended up having the same chipset :)

[04:24:25]

bortoelnino:

teaches me not to do my research

[04:25:59]

bortoelnino:

do you know by any chance if there is a way to get a signal reading on the screen while you are watching live tv?

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andreax:

I got following message in my frontend-log: VideoOutput, Error: Not compiled with any usable video output method. Ive no idea whats the cause of this and im kinda lost. Any ideas what goes wrong here? I upgraded xorg, did i missed anything?

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[R]:

andreax: it used to work and stopped working?

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oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/20592/invisible_homeless.jpg

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andreax:

After upgrading both my BE/FE Combo and the remote FE to last svn, yeah. But on the BE/FE all is fine. On the Remote FE i lost all renderers in the profiles and even cant choice any – no clue what i destroyed.. :)

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[R]:

you compiled it yourself?

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andreax:

Even the deinterlacers are gone.

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andreax:

Yeah.

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[R]:

sounds like you didnt ocmpile it properly tehn

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andreax:

Or the compiler done... :) But i told him to do.. .)

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andreax:

I think i destroyed any dependency – but which? :(

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andreax:

Smells i need to reinstall the whole thing, i really cant find the error.. :(

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cesman:

For those interested in LinHES, http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20875

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Tanthrix:

Is it a known issue in 0.22-fixes that sometiems fast fowarding to the "end" of a live recording (such that you're nearly live) causes the picture to freeze, but everything else works?

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Tanthrix:

(ie, audio continues playing, skipping back works, but no visible changes to the screen occur, and myth must be killed off to fix it)

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Beirdo:

tris: stop your excess flooding, silly user :)

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tris:

beirdo: oof, sorry

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Beirdo:

hehe, you have a bot going crazy, or just keep pasting too much?

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tris:

znc apparently sucks

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tris:

it just can't control the rate it sends commands to the server

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Beirdo:

stupid client ;)

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tris:

it does it on its own just trying to join channels, heh

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Beirdo:

jeez. ya might wanna try a different one then

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Beirdo:

that's insane :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, bedtime, I think

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JohnQ:

I went away for 2 days with my myth working happily.. now I am back, and every time I hit "Skip Ahead", it thinks I have hit the end of the recording... Nothing interesting in the logs. Any clues?

[06:06:53]

oobe:

http://fukung.net/v/15085/42a849f0796508085fcbb347045fda8f.jpg

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kormoc:

rebuild the seek tables

[06:07:40]

oobe:

also JohnQ there is a chance some tables need repair if all your shows are like this

[06:08:16]

oobe:

an easy way to check is use mythweb http://localhost/mythweb/settings/database

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JohnQ:

I ran mysqlcheck, and it showed no errors...

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oobe:

the table to worry about i think is recordedseek

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JohnQ:

I also tried "mythcommflag --file 5063_20100224230000.mpg --rebuild" as the logs mentioned, but it also had no effct.

[06:09:11]

oobe:

then check the link i gave you

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JohnQ:

Yay.. Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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JohnQ:

Strange that mysqlcheck didnt find it

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JohnQ:

Repairing the table fixed it. Thanks much!

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oobe:

thats ok JohnQ

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JohnQ:

eh?

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oobe:

ohh?

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JohnQ:

ahhhhh

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oobe:

aww!

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JohnQ:

heh

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oobe:

eeh!

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JohnQ:

Anyway... repairing that table fixed it.

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oobe:

yea i just read it

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oobe:

glad it worked

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JohnQ:

(It lost one row.. but I'll probably never notice it)

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oobe:

i dont know much about sql i dont access it much on cli

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oobe:

but when the table crashes its real obvious cause rebuilding seektables doesnt work and all shows cant seek

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oobe:

fyi i think mythweb just uses scripts already available in contrib to run that functionality

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kormoc:

mythweb does no such thing

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kormoc:

tho, to be fair, they both just run REPAIR TABLE `table';

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kormoc:

but no, it doesn't call out to other scripts

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oobe:

oh ok that was only an assumption

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JohnQ:

Now if I could only figure out why the audio and video are out of sync when watching greys anatomy.

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JohnQ:

The audio plays at a constant rate, but the video speeds up and slows down and speeds up and slows down..

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oobe:

thats a pity i cant say what that is

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oobe:

do you transcode?

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JohnQ:

Nope

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oobe:

somtimes i have seen digital tv broadast that way

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oobe:

from a set top box

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oobe:

only once actually

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JohnQ:

wierd

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kormoc:

run with -v most and see what spits out to the terminal

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oobe:

-v playback too maybe?

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JohnQ:

kormoc: Excellent. I'll try that next time I have an episode of greys anatomy recorded :-)

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kormoc:

-v most is -v all without the database calls iirc

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oobe:

JohnQ, are you saying you dont have this one recorded

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JohnQ:

This one?

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oobe:

actually this is slightly unrelated but i transcode most recordings by default

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JohnQ:

It happens every time I watch any episodes of that one show. I don't think i have one right now though.

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oobe:

and i found certain shows mess up the audio sync when auto transcoding with my profile

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oobe:

so i set those shows not to transcode

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JohnQ:

I don't transcode anything.

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oobe:

i know

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oobe:

hence me saying slightly unrelated

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JohnQ:

ah

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oobe:

the only thing thats similar is its just for certain shows

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oobe:

not many only 1 or 2

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oobe:

makes me think the broadcast has some special thing that causes problems

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JohnQ:

I think it might happen on House too.

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oobe:

those are both good shows

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oobe:

pity

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JohnQ:

with -v most I am seeing mostly subtitle spam. (In english and spanish apparently)

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JohnQ:

I'm also seeing a log of things like "XDS: failed CRC 695/1071"

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JohnQ:

and

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JohnQ:

2010-03–02 22:59:28.056 NVP(0): Video is 3.03525 frames ahead of audio,

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JohnQ:

doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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oobe:

try enabling extra audio buffingering in tv playback settings on first page

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JohnQ:

its already on

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oobe:

i guess you could try disabling it

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JohnQ:

I did :-)

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oobe:

theres also use video as timebase

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JohnQ:

That actually made the audio wobble...

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JohnQ:

Like, any continuous note that was playing in the music would pitch shift all over the place.

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oobe:

have you tried playing the video with mplayer or other external player

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JohnQ:

Nah, haven't gone down that road yet.

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oobe:

i suspect it would still be out of sync which means there was somthing wrong with the original broadcast

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JohnQ:

Nah, I th ink it has something to do with myth. It seems to be a lot worse immediately after I skip forward.

[07:06:35]

JohnQ:

And those "doubling video frame interval to slow down" spam the logs when it happens.

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oobe:

there is one way to easily check

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JohnQ:

Plays fine in mplayer

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kormoc:

that's worth a ticket with a short sample clip (30 seconds or so)

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JohnQ:

Normally, I'd agree.. but I'm running a rather old build from trunk

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JohnQ:

I'll live with it until I can upgrade to a "real" release

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JohnQ:

How can I find out if the current "real" release is later than my existing trunk build?

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JohnQ:

(I can't go backwards)

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kormoc:

check the revision number of the branch vs the revision number you are on

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JohnQ:

Hmm

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JohnQ:

Does this answer the question? : mythfrontend version: trunk [20708] www.mythtv.org

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oobe:

22 fixes would be newer

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oobe:

probably want to update the schema

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JohnQ:

The date on my executables are Jun 15 '09

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-22-fixes

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JohnQ:

Probably pretty old

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oobe:

Using protocol version 50 and Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1244 is what .22 fixes looks liek

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JohnQ:

Ya, I am pretty old then.

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JohnQ:

schema 1235 and protocol 45

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JohnQ:

I guess I'll upgrade to 0.22 at some point then... and just live with it until then.

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JohnQ:

thanks a lot, both of you. I'll probably be back if 0.22 doesn;t fix it. ... but I am guessing it will.

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oobe:

gl

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oobe:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-12 . . . t-name_N.htm

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zetheroo:

how do I find out if my hardware is supported?

[11:28:01]

zetheroo:

I am trying to search the V4L archive but am not getting anywhere ...

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justinh:

look in the v4l wiki

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justinh:

linuxtv.org

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zetheroo:

that's what i am doing ... no!?

[11:29:35]

justinh:

I don't know. you tell us

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zetheroo:

well I have searched the v4l archive ... that is what your talking about ... no!?

[11:30:50]

justinh:

no

[11:30:54]

justinh:

the WIKI

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sid3windr:

but he's looking at the archive!

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zetheroo:

I was at the wiki

[11:32:06]

zetheroo:

that is how I got to the v4l archive

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zetheroo:

:-/

[11:32:27]

justinh:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[11:32:47]

justinh:

if you can't find your hardware linked from one of those pages listed on that page, you're sunk. Probably

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zetheroo:

"one of those links"

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zetheroo:

wow ... that's a help :P

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zetheroo:

nvm

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justinh:

zetheroo: you're not exactly furnishing US with any information either

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justinh:

like by saying what KIND of device it is.. that'd be a fricking start

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zetheroo:

justinh: what information would 'furnish' you?

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justinh:

analogue/digital/pci/usb

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justinh:

manufacturer/model number...

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zetheroo:

USB ATSC stick

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zetheroo:

Analog and Digital

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sid3windr:

cash available to buy another one/sponsor driver development...

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sid3windr:

:>

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justinh:

instead of just bloody whining "muh, can't find no info help"

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sid3windr:

I can't get no... satisfaction!

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justinh:

so then you go click on the ATSC link on that page I provided

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zetheroo:

nvm man ... did not mean to ruin your day

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justinh:

then you go click on the USB link on that page

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justinh:

this stuff isn't bloody brain surgery

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justinh:

whee look ! http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices

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justinh:

you've not ruined my day. maybe if we met in person .. that could ruin my day..

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zetheroo:

no need to be nasty

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zetheroo:

these are all big brand names ... nothing like what I have ...

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justinh:

figures

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justinh:

I guess you're out of luck then

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justinh:

unless the thing just happens to use an identical chipset to one which is already supported

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zetheroo:

this is an AUTV001 unit

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justinh:

the rule goes – check the list of supported hardware *before* spending any money. Saves many a person big disappointments

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sid3windr:

also check the usb id's

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justinh:

but I bet it wasn't what you'd call expensive anyway

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zetheroo:

$65 ..

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justinh:

would've been better getting a supported one for that price

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zetheroo:

this is it: http://www.tootoo.com/d-p18339575-AnyTV_AUTV0 . . . with_Vista_/

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justinh:

wow. would you buy anything from that website? lol

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zetheroo:

AU0828 is in the list of supported adapters

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zetheroo:

I did not say i bought it from there

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justinh:

anyway, this isn't the 'is my hardware supported' channel btw

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justinh:

try #linuxtv

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zetheroo:

not like there is all that much traffic here ... :-D

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Pulse_R:

hi guys, I'm trying to compile on OS X, and there's no /etc/ld.so.conf file... I am a bit new to Mac, but have compiled MySQL, qmake and a few others without problems..

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Pulse_R:

I'm getting the old Freetype error in ./config

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Pulse_R:

ure

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Dibblah:

Are you using osx-packager.pl ?

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Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X

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Pulse_R:

trying to do it manually – might be the hard way – looking at the perl now

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Beirdo:

Another person who likes to reinvent the wheel? :)

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Pulse_R:

heh, actually should have RTFM more closely.

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Pulse_R:

thanks

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Pulse_R:

I'll try that.

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Pulse_R:

it was only freetype that stopped me.

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Beirdo:

so far :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, good luck, at least you have more reference material for your quest now :)

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stuarta:

Pulse_R: you need to use osx-packager.pl

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stuarta:

it exists for that very reason

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Pulse_R:

the script is running, but I saw some errors about Ruby is too old. should I be concerned?

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** stuarta bemones his mac mini being broken **

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** Pulse_R bemoans his mac mini being PPC **

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stuarta:

oooo

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Pulse_R:

script is still running – lots of includes going on there

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Pulse_R:

the problems all started when I broke leopard, and only had restore discs for Tiger

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Pulse_R:

now I have to build everything because most binaries are for 10.5 now

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Pulse_R:

just glad I'm not totally new to linux- that would be a double-headache

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Pulse_R:

hah! packager died at line 720 – when it tries to dowload the mysql source

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Pulse_R:

I already have mysql installed and running

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stuarta:

but it's not where it is looking for it

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stuarta:

so you dont have it

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stuarta:

osx-packager.pl install everything into .osx-package/bin iirc

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Pulse_R:

the server for mysql client (for mythbackend) is not found – HTTP error 403 from curl

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Pulse_R:

5.0.85

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Pulse_R:

seems the scripted mirror is no longer available.

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Pulse_R:

I have 5.0.87 installed, just need to find a new mirror and edit the .pl

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Pulse_R:

or can I just kill that part of the script?

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Pulse_R:

403 is permission denied

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stuarta:

you just need to link into where it's looking for the binaries.

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stuarta:

then it'll find they are installed, and not try and download and install it

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stuarta:

alternatively

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stuarta:

update that section of the script for the version you already have the tarball for

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stuarta:

and stick the tarball in the .osx-packager/src directory, and it'll just build it for you

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Pulse_R:

s'ok, I just changed the .pl to where I got mine from, it'll do a clean make

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Pulse_R:

it's on it's way again now

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Pulse_R:

:)

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Pulse_R:

almost bed time *yawns*

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stuarta:

save yourself the download time and stick it in the right spot :)

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Pulse_R:

download was quick >100MB/s

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stuarta:

that's pretty good speed for aus

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Pulse_R:

yeh, gotta love cable

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jarle:

Suddenly the channel scanner in mythtv-setup will not let me choose between DVB-S or DVB-S2 scanning. Problem with my db somehow?

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jarle:

Seems like my cards has changed ID. Is there a way to chaeck/make sure which card is set as /dev/dvb/adapterX?

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Pulse_R:

I got a make error in mysql now, will have to check this out, make clean...

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Pulse_R:

problem solved – can't use mysql 5.0.87... have to use 5.0.85 as per script. still had to edit the http source though

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Pulse_R:

how fiddly!

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gbee:

can anyone remind me how we are supposed to define the mixer for the second audio device?

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Beirdo:

sorry, gbee no clue anymore

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kairo:

myhtv have a torrent client?

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gbee:

no, we don't condone piracy

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sid3windr:

but it's used for legit stuff!

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sid3windr:

like redhat isos and wow updates!

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sid3windr:

:>

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** stuarta sharpens sp0rk **

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gbee:

Beirdo: guess I might have to dig into the alsa docs, but few return alive from there

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mag0o:

docs?!?! There's *DOCS*?!?!

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mag0o:

:)

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sid3windr:

what's up docs

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Beirdo:

kairo: please read the channel FAQ that is linked on the topic

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Beirdo:

Actually, I'm gonna go update it to add details about ToS violations after that last mess on the mailing list

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Beirdo:

hehe, need to confirm my email first :)

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: take a gander at the updated channel FAQ... look good? I added a section for ToS (under Legally Dubious), and fleshed out the "no profanity" near the top

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Beirdo:

crap, blah

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Beirdo:

anyone else here miss Greg the Bunny?

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mag0o:

anyone else here know who Greg the Bunny is?

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mag0o:

:)

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jams:

watched the full season last month

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Beirdo:

jams: good man :)

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Beirdo:

morning, devinheitmueller. Welcome back

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devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: good morning.

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devinheitmueller:

I've only been gone for something like 15 hours, but I appreciate the welcome nonetheless. :-)

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Beirdo:

I saw you leaving during the conversation last night, and was hoping we didn't piss ya off :)

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oobe:

tilda is hella kewl

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devinheitmueller:

Wow, I have to admit, I will have to look at the archive to remember what we were talking about.....

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devinheitmueller:

... which might serve as an indicator that I'm not really pissed about anything...

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devinheitmueller:

.... as Beirdo goes and manipulates teh Beirdobot logs....

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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oobe:

devinheitmueller, thanks for that thread info on dvico revert patch i experimented with them and now get good reception with all channels

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Beirdo:

I don't have the energy to mess with that :)

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devinheitmueller:

oobe: great to hear.

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Beirdo:

so it seems my fit-pc2 went from Tampa to El Paso... seems an odd route to get to Puerto Rico

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oobe:

i do live in a crappy area for reception though chances are i wouldnt of noticed the problem if i lived in the city

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devinheitmueller:

oobe: yeah, it's an edge condition.

[15:04:39]

devinheitmueller:

... and it varies depending on what country you live in. For example, the guy who did the original fix was in Australia, and did "what worked for him".

[15:04:46]

devinheitmueller:

Apparently the DVB-T is a little different there.

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Beirdo:

hehe, I think everything is :)

[15:05:21]

Beirdo:

not that that's necessarily a bad thing :)

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devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: now that I've looked at the logs, I

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devinheitmueller:

'm really not sure what you're talking about. I guess you were bashing the DMCA right before I left, but who does that more than me?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

K :)

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devinheitmueller:

The DMCA sucks. There, I said it.

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Beirdo:

it just was an odd coincidence :)

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Beirdo:

yup. it sucks... but like it or lump it, it's the law.

[15:07:28]

Beirdo:

as Dickens once wrote: If the law says that, the law is an ass.

[15:07:33]

Beirdo:

(approx).

[15:07:52]

Beirdo:

in David Copperfield, IIRC

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devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: well, just to avoid future confusion, I typically leave the office between 6:30 and 7:00pm EST. So if that happens in the future, you can assume that I probabably wasn't even looking at the IRC window when I whacked the close button on pidgin.

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Beirdo:

hehe, gotcha :)

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Beirdo:

I use a persistent irssi session on my linode

[15:10:22]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I go back and forth between two computers, and it's easier to just logout to avoid having to unghost.

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Beirdo:

makes sense

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devinheitmueller:

and all the channels I'm on are logged anyway, so I usually don't miss anything.

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** devinheitmueller admits that he actually does read the channel logs on a daily basis... **

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Beirdo:

coolness

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Beirdo:

you will let me know if the bot dies and I don't notice, then, I'm sure :)

[15:12:12]

devinheitmueller:

speaking of which....

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Beirdo:

it's been amazingly stable though. Kinda proud of that code :)

[15:12:35]

devinheitmueller:

zethereoo: if *you* read the channel logs, the au0828 *is* supported under Linux.

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Beirdo:

is it made in AU? ;)

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I wish I could say the same for the bot on #linuxtv and #v4l. I email someone about once a week when they go down.

[15:13:10]

devinheitmueller:

Nope, "AU" is for Auvitek.

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Beirdo:

aww

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Beirdo:

I left this one to its own devices for nearly 3 years (with only occasional linode reboots).

[15:14:13]

Beirdo:

if someone wants to deploy it somewhere else, I'd be happy to work with them

[15:14:38]

Beirdo:

(although this one will stay of course)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sid3windr:

lol devinheitmueller you don't really think he will come back to read the logs, he barely found the wiki. :P

[15:14:59]

devinheitmueller:

sid3windr: Yeah, but I kill two minutes to wread his complaint. Figured it was worth a one liner.

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sid3windr:

:>

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Beirdo:

heh

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devinheitmueller:

On second thought, that particular variation of the board may actually not have a board profile in the driver (which would be trivial to add)

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Beirdo:

Microsoft Excel *so* does not live up to its name

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sid3windr:

neither does Microsoft Works

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sid3windr:

:p

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Beirdo:

should rename it to Microsoft Underperform

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Beirdo:

and Word... yeah, but good luck with Paragraph

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** Beirdo is NOT a MS lover, can ya tell? **

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sid3windr:

looks like you're an MS user though.. :>

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Beirdo:

like I have a choice in the matter

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Beirdo:

stupid corporate environment

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** gbee would subvert the corporate rules and run openoffice **

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Beirdo:

hehe, I'm bad enough running Firefox

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** stuarta went to the dark side and is back on a windows desktop :( **

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** mag0o trashed my corporate installation and put slackware on my desktop **

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stuarta:

in the office mind

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Beirdo:

mag0o: I'd be fired if I did that

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gbee:

all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing

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gbee:

:p

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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Beirdo:

working at an aerospace company has its downside..

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mag0o:

since i do mostly development work, they don't mind so much

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justinh:

I don't get how MS are evil just for being the most popular by default

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justinh:

sure they tell lies about their competition but who doesn't? ;-)

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Beirdo:

their products suck

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Beirdo:

and their licensing is EVIL

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Captain_Murdoch:

MS was evil before they were popular, it's part of what made them big.

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Beirdo:

and they became the "default" by being evil

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gbee:

by comparison against google, MS aren't evil, but their corporate ethics and behaviour is hardly benign

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stuarta:

see they aren't "the most popular by default", they are the most used by default because of the way they rode roughshod over every competitior

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justinh:

gbee: IMHO that's one of them thingies, that is. corporate ethics

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justinh:

my brain is full of dremel dust & metal shavings today

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gbee:

aye, a contradiction in terms

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Beirdo:

justinh: I could thing of worse things

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Beirdo:

think rather

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justinh:

well, that's the IP rated boxes ordered for this stupid ethernet over power wireless bridge effort

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stuarta:

that's a contradictory statement

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justinh:

and as predicted the fan inside the sealed box made a 3 degrees C difference for precisely 24 minutes

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gbee:

they do IP rated ethernet boxes?

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gbee:

oh

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Beirdo:

justinh: that long?

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sid3windr:

gbee: yeah they're rated to forward IP.. ;)

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justinh:

no, it's a box to put a powerline ethernet converter & wireless AP inside

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justinh:

run mains to the box, powerline ethernet thingy goes on that.. wireless AP goes on the LAN port of the powerline ethernet doodah

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, guessed that's what you meant when I read the second half of the sentence :)

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justinh:

it'll be lucky if it ever works in the field..

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justinh:

software is quite clever though. the bus dvr will allegedly realise it's back 'home' & start to dump the day's recordings to an ftp server

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gbee:

well that's cool, I want to see portable frontends which auto-sync etc when 'home', auto-sync 'what' I haven't decided

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justinh:

heh yeah I could do with something like it for my car mp3 player

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gbee:

but probably a selection of unwatched recordings, starting with favourites + music etc

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Beirdo:

then put in a proper podcast client...

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

podcast clients would still rely on me transferring a USB stick to the car

[16:02:43]

justinh:

or flattening the battery with a car PC :)

[16:02:55]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:03:05]

Beirdo:

or buying an iPhone

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justinh:

MEH

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Beirdo:

that's been my solution

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justinh:

expensive toy for somebody who sends maybe 5 SMS messages a week

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

understood

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justinh:

I've better things to spend the best part of Â£500 on

[16:04:03]

Beirdo:

but it's not just for SMS, of course

[16:04:15]

Beirdo:

yeah, it's not for everyone

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justinh:

it's useless for SMS, by all accounts innit

[16:04:29]

Beirdo:

I haven't found that, but YMMV

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justinh:

I like my LG phone – I just wish it was faster

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Beirdo:

and more... Apple...

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** Beirdo ducks and runs **

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justinh:

it's like browsing the web on an original xbox running linux

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justinh:

another thing putting me off getting an iphone is iTunes

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justinh:

I absolutely fricking HATE that program

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justinh:

they need to give the music/video part of it drag & drop syncing

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Beirdo:

will never happen :)

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justinh:

people slag mythmusic off.. they've prolly never tried syncing an iPod

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Beirdo:

yeah, iTunes is a pig too

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justinh:

tick the box, go to sync.. it says it's doing it. let it finish, unplug the ipod.. no, it's not there. GRRRRRRRR

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justinh:

I also hate how all the files are effectively hidden behind a database

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justinh:

I did try a 3rd party app.. can't remember what it was called. that was drag & drop.. but then it bricked the ipod

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

you use Apple hardware.. you use Apple software

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Beirdo:

and vice versa (stupid Snow Leopard)

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justinh:

well I reckon it's hometime :-)

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Beirdo:

enjoy

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Beirdo:

it's beer o'clock

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gbee:

I won't be interested in any smart phone until data rates are reasonable and by which I mean cheap without being tied into an expensive contract which I neither want nor need

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gbee:

I'm much happier with free wifi hotspots (pay ones are grossly overpriced), but they are few and far between unfortunately

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Beirdo:

gbee: you may be waiting a while

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Beirdo:

understandable though

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gbee:

the charges for wifi mystify me, why when I pay ~Â£20 a month for a 24/7 10Mb connection at home do I have to pay Â£5+ per hour (sometimes 30 min) for a <1Mb connection, especially when all I want is 30 seconds to check my emails etc

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gbee:

the operators are raking it in and mostly because it gets charged to expense accounts no-one really cares

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

let's start a wireless hotspot

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Beirdo:

GougeNScrew Wireless

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Beirdo:

at least it would be honestly named

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gbee:

I don't mind paying but I'll pay a reasonable charge, something that reflects the low operating costs

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Beirdo:

like nothing? :)

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Beirdo:

Starbucks here in PR has free WiFi

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Beirdo:

and Burger King... and Dennys

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jams:

not for sure why, but I just purchased a usb floppy drive

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Beirdo:

heh

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jams:

you never know when you will need one!

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Beirdo:

they are handy to have sometimes

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Beirdo:

I have one for my laptop

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Beirdo:

well, netbook, technically

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oobe:

maybe if you open a time capsule

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jams:

i have several internal ones sitting on the shelf, but pain to setup when needed

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Beirdo:

sometimes booting USB sticks just don't work

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Beirdo:

BIOS upgrades can be a pain :)

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jams:

i figure it can sit next to the zip and rev drive

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jams:

s

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oobe:

some usb stick just dont boot

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oobe:

but others do on same machine

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gbee:

I've often thought about buying a USB floppy drive, even though I long ago copied over the contents of any floppies I might have wanted to keep, the disks themselves went in a mass purge a couple of years ago

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jams:

pretty much the same reason i keep the zip drive around

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jams:

gone through 3 drives but still using the orig disks puchased 12? years ago

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jams:

still work

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gbee:

somehow I avoided zip drives, a couple of times I had to borrow one but I never owned any

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Beirdo:

I had a SCSI one

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Beirdo:

it's long gone

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jams:

scsi, ppa and now usb

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jams:

ppa was a royal pain

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jams:

and slow

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Beirdo:

yeah

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jams:

man was it slow, but really for my purpose it was the only way to go. desktops really didn't have scsi cards (and they still don't)

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Beirdo:

they do if you put one in :)

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Trinity33:

i want to ask i have got haupaugge wintv-nova-s usb2 tv card its satellite receiver so i would like to know if it would work in ubuntu karmic 9.10

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sphery:

the list of supported capture cards is at http://linuxtv.org/wiki/

[17:54:45]

sphery:

basically, if it's supported by V4L/DVB API's, it should work in MythTV (with only one exception I can think of--and it's not that card)

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Trinity33:

u are everywhere:)

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sphery:

heh, yeah :)

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sphery:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-S-USB2

[17:56:08]

sphery:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_USB_D . . . _USB_Devices

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sphery:

listed as supported

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Trinity33:

<sphery> i checked using hwinfo and device 70 i see my card what to do next to install it propelly first i need a driver? or just install everything from synaptic whole mythtv?

[18:01:12]

sphery:

That I can't tell you. I've never used that card or any like it. All I can say is, "it would work in ubuntu karmic 9.10" (with proper drivers/configuration)

[18:01:22]

sphery:

that last part is the part I don't know (I don't know *buntu, either).

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Trinity33:

:( what driver do i need ? V4L/DVB ? where from i can get it? does mythtv package include that driver?

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is an application, not an OS-- we don't do drivers

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iamlindoro:

Using MythTV assumes you already have a properly configured system with working capture hardware

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sphery:

Trinity33: Likely if you choose to use Mythbuntu rather than Ubuntu 9.10, it will "just work."

[18:04:44]

Beirdo:

some people here MAY be able to help with configuration, but it really isn't the place :)

[18:04:47]

sphery:

http://mythbuntu.org/

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: you see my IRC FAQ updates?

[18:05:08]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I did, sorry, mean to say-- looks great to me

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sphery:

and #mythbuntu would be a much better place to ask for help configuring that card

[18:05:11]

iamlindoro:

er meant to

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Beirdo:

K. Of course, we can always add more/modify :)

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Trinity33:

i know what are u talking about <sphery> i will ask on ubuntu channel about risk or if there is anyrisk of installing mythbuntu from synaptic

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Beirdo:

there's an #ubuntu-mythtv or something too, isn't there?

[18:06:48]

iamlindoro:

The former redirects to the latter

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

OK

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sphery:

Trinity33: ttbomk, installing Mythbuntu would mean that you replace your Ubuntu 9.10 OS install with a Mythbuntu 9.10 OS install. Mythbuntu is Ubuntu that's already been configured properly for MythTV.

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sphery:

it's not just a package you use to install mythtv on Ubuntu--as that wouldn't have any effect on the other parts of the OS that are not configured properly for MythTV.

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Beirdo:

configured "hopefully" properly :)

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Beirdo:

I won't guarantee their work :)

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Trinity33:

<sphery> if i install mythbuntu from synaptic would i lose anything i got in my ubuntu at the moment? and what package from mythbuntu do i need? cos i just checked and there is many of them

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Beirdo:

Trinity33: if it wants to REMOVE packages, it will tell you and ask for permission

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Beirdo:

and if you want help with mythbuntu in specific, you've already been told the channel(s) that are more likely to be helpful

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sphery:

Trinity33: mythbuntu is the distro, not a package

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sphery:

more info in #mythbuntu (whether you choose to use mythbuntu or ubuntu)

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Trinity33:

i know thats why im asking if i install mythbuntu will i lose anything i got in ubuntu at the moment? and in mythbuntu will i have the same options like in ubuntu i mean writing scripts play flv using pentesting etc

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Beirdo:

!trout Trinity33 #mythbuntu

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** MythLogBot slaps Trinity33 with a #mythbuntu trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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sphery:

Trinity33: you'll lose your configuration that doesn't work with MythTV and get a working MythTV system?

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randomuser:

I'm shopping for a capture device on newegg. can anyone offer guidance?

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sphery:

randomuser: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/

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sphery:

you may get some recommendations in here, but you'll need to provide a lot more information (about TV standard, signal source (cable, over-the-air), ...)

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randomuser:

sure

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AndyCap:

O_o

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Beirdo:

that didn't mean run along :)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I tend to scare people away...

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AndyCap:

I want to learn!

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AndyCap:

:P

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Contrast that with people who would sit here for hours arguing with Dagmar

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iamlindoro:

the world is a mixed up place

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mag0o:

any chance of getting 8115 looked at? i created a patch last night that fixes the issue on my machines.

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** wagnerrp is looking currently **

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mag0o:

Ooo :)

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wagnerrp:

paul really likes his globals

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wagnerrp:

and hates classes

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mag0o:

to find the issue, i basically put a bunch of write() in there to spit stuff out to the logs so i could see what was going on

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wagnerrp:

basically, all of his sql statements are wrong

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mag0o:

and since the db didn't store the full path name for the videos, the query would return 0 results

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wagnerrp:

and it was never updated for storage groups

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wagnerrp:

local content is stored with the full path name

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wagnerrp:

storage group content is stored relative to the base of the SG

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mag0o:

hmm, so there needs to be some sort of SG checking in there

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mag0o:

so while my patch works for me, it wouldn't work for someone with out SG

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mag0o:

I'm guessing

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wagnerrp:

correct

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mag0o:

but, without SG, it will probably work without patches b/c the full path would be stored in the db

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mag0o:

so, logic time

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iamlindoro:

!seen logic

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MythLogBot:

logic has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

dont worry about it, ill throw a patch up later today

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wagnerrp:

with a number of other fixes

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wagnerrp:

(the sql statement stuff)

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mag0o:

oh, ok :) thanks

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sphery:

wagnerrp: fwiw, I think Paul inherited that code from the old mythburn project that someone else wrote and abandoned.

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wagnerrp:

ok... someone else likes globals and doesnt like classes

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wagnerrp:

and did their queries all wron

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

man... they didnt even do them consistently

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wagnerrp:

theres at least three different programming styles at play here

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sphery:

http://mythburn.sourceforge.net/ + http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythburn/ says it's spit2k1

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythBurn needs to die

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sphery:

editing pages that link it just killed my firefox

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** sphery hates javascript **

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sphery:

Does the mythburn stuff still work with current mythweb?

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sphery:

I'm guessing no. After all, mythbuntu made their own mythexport for that reason, right?

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mag0o:

i haven't tried it through mythweb, and didn't even know it existed

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mag0o:

or, if i did know, i forgot

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sphery:

I'd like to remove all references to it in the wiki (since we have mytharchive, now), but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Creating_a_DVD_with_a_menu and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythBurnInstallation imply it's usable with mythweb

[18:54:47]

sphery:

last edit on MythBurnInstallation was Mar 2007 and Creating a DVD with a menu was Apr 2007

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xris:

sphery: fine with me. I'm all for cleaning up the wiki.

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** Beirdo hands sphery the windex **

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: that was the only call that gave you a problem? it worked besides that?

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: im just going to change it to a 'WHERE filename LIKE "%path/to/file"', which should pick up both types of content

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mag0o:

yes wagnerrp

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mag0o:

changing that one line using SG, i am able to archive videos and recordings

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wagnerrp:

im surprised its able to find the content

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wagnerrp:

do you have a VideoStartupDir listed as the same path as the storage group?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm pretty sure (based on the DB update) that even the local non-SG videos are stored with partial path (relative to the videos directory)

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sphery:

so wouldn't it be the same for local or sg?

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mag0o:

select title from videometadata where filename = '/sg/defined/path/to/videos/video.avi' returns 0 rows

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mag0o:

select title from videometadata where filename = 'video.avi' returns 1 row

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wagnerrp:

you would have to ask iamlindoro, but last time i used local content, i thought it was the full path

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iamlindoro:

local content is full path, indeed

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wagnerrp:

so the script shouldnt work anyway

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mag0o:

wagnerrp: all of my frontends have VideoStartupDir set to the SG path

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mag0o:

that being said, my successful archive was run directly on the backend, not a frontend

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mag0o:

so now that I see why, it may still not work on a frontend

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wagnerrp:

but local content is a full path already, line 1596 shouldnt exist

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mag0o:

no, if you add write( "Filename is: %s " % file.attributes["filename"].value

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mag0o:

you just get video.avi

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mag0o:

at least i did on my backend

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sphery:

iamlindoro: are you positive? Based on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21820 (which calls StorageGroup::GetRelativePathname() on all non-dvd: files) and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21819/tr . . . agegroup.cpp (which first looks for a path starting with one matching a dir from sg's, then matching a dir from VideoStartupDir and removes the matched start portion), it says that all videos will ...

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sphery:

... have the VideoStartupDir stuff removed--even without video SG's

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iamlindoro:

I'm positive

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sphery:

Only reason I remember is because I modified it to supprot the colon-separated paths at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21924

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sphery:

so why do we remove the VideoStartupDir stuff from the path in the db update, then?

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sphery:

oh, that's only filemarkup

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sphery:

nvm

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sphery:

we really need to get rid of non-SG file support

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: looks like that filename is something provided by the XML config file fed to the script

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wagnerrp:

so apparently mytharchive does its own thing

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wagnerrp:

i thought having VideoStartupDir defined as the same thing as the SG was a broken configuration

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wagnerrp:

and they way mythburn handles that value, its horribly broken when multiple directories are defined

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jvs is now known as jodu

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jodu is now known as johd

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** sphery wonders how long it will be before wagnerrp decides to go all out and rewrite the scripts to use the Python bindings **

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

is it beer o'clock yet?

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kormoc:

it's always beer o'clock somewhere!

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mag0o:

heck, i was trying to figure out how to get it to use nuvexport instead

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i couldnt do it

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wagnerrp:

that thing is a complete mess

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: sure you could!

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mag0o:

agreed

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kormoc:

just might take awhile...

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mag0o:

s/rewrite/start all over/

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt want to touch it unless i were to rewrite the whole thing from scratch

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Beirdo:

do it ;) Thanks for volunteering :) hehe

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** Beirdo is being silly of course **

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kaktuspalme:

hi there

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kaktuspalme:

does anyone know which key i've to press to view a senderlist?

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wagnerrp:

'senderlist'?

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iamlindoro:

I keep wishing that there was a libhandbrake

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iamlindoro:

I'd rewrite the MythVideo DVD rip stuff from scratch

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iamlindoro:

but in absence of one library to rule them all, I don't

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Beirdo:

libjustdoit?

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kaktuspalme:

hmm, i don't know the word in english TV Transmitters?

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kaktuspalme:

ah Channels

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kaktuspalme:

Channellist

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wagnerrp:

's' brings up the program guide, if thats what youre looking for

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wagnerrp:

a list of channels, and what shows they are airing for the next several hours

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kaktuspalme:

wagnerrp, if you have 100 channels the list is a bit unclear

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iamlindoro:

You can create channel groups and brose only your favorites

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iamlindoro:

browse

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dustybin:

http://www.bradcolbow.com/archive.php/?p=205

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kaktuspalme:

i just installed mythbuntu, is it possible that mythbuntu isn't really stable

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wagnerrp:

what version?

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kaktuspalme:

9.10

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wagnerrp:

have you updated mythtv?

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kaktuspalme:

i've updated the whole system

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wagnerrp:

9.10 shipped with a pre-release version of mythtv 0.22

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kaktuspalme:

just a standard mythbuntu installation with all the mythbuntu updates installeed

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kaktuspalme:

as an example switching throught the dvb-s channels can crash mythtv-backend

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wagnerrp:

a pastebin of the backend logs would help considerably with that

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kaktuspalme:

wagnerrp, 2010-03–03 20:58:45.519 DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(9132) desired(9111)

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kaktuspalme:

100x times in the log

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Trinity33:

hi i installed mythtv and when i open it and click the watch tv button it says i need to first run mythtv setup how to run it? from shell? cos when i normally start mythtv there is no option for devices scanning cant see it

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high-rez:

run mythtv-setup

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high-rez:

you'll define capture cards to use, channel scanning etc etc in there.

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wagnerrp:

first, you need to read the documentation

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not something you can easily figure out on your own

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Trinity33:

what card i should chose? in capture card setup there is no haupaugge nova-s usb2

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wagnerrp:

that card is a DVB-S device

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Trinity33:

there is showing soemthing dvb dtv capture card 9v3.x) it will be that one?

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** Beirdo hands wagnerrp a documentation trout :) **

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wagnerrp:

please read the documentation

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wagnerrp:

!trout Trinity33 documentation

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** MythLogBot slaps Trinity33 with a documentation trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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high-rez:

Maybe, you really need to read some docs. Myth is a little complicated to configure but pretty cool once you have it up.

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Beirdo:

it's really worth the trouble, don't worry

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wagnerrp:

says someone who hasnt run mythtv in three years

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

hey! I have so... for the past 2 days :)

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Beirdo:

and I remember installing 0.14... so...

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i think i started around 0.17

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high-rez:

I'm still running 0.19 – because upgrading is too hard.

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iamlindoro:

Hah, I remember myth around then too

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** high-rez ducks **

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Beirdo:

boy have we come a LONG way

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wagnerrp:

never really got it working right until 0.18

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iamlindoro:

With my sexay WinTV card

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Beirdo:

oooh, framemangler

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iamlindoro:

back when the card of choice was anything bt878

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Beirdo:

and ivtv was a "this kinda almost works"

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high-rez:

Btw, whoever mentioned blue abstract to me? Good lookin' out. Its friggin pretty.

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iamlindoro:

Back when Pap Hauppauge was still knockin' Mam Hauppauge up with baby PVR-250

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Trinity33:

come on u want me to read 1250 pages ? cant u just tell me ? need little help :) just wasted 3 weeks to configure my sound card its working now and u asking me this time to waste another 3 months before i make mty tv card working? :( why? cant u just tell me? hey trin u do that first u need do this and that etc and it will work

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Trinity33:

so how it will be? help or i have to shoot myself?

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wagnerrp:

Trinity33: what distro are you running?

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Beirdo:

Trinity33: read it. you're asking us to type out the contents of what already was written

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Trinity33:

ubuntu 9.10 32

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iamlindoro:

Trinity33: The documentation isn't nearly 1200 pages, and the length of the documentation is exactly what we mean-- Myth is *complex* and we're not paid to support people who refuse to read the docs

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mag0o:

wagnerrp: trying out that new patch

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Trinity33:

dont want to install mythbuntu cos i will lose few things so i would rather install mythtv and configure it

[20:52:14]

iamlindoro:

Which is fine-- but that means you get to read the documentation

[20:52:21]

wagnerrp:

mag0o: understand that neither of those should be committed in their current form

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iamlindoro:

You are getting free support, but the courteous thing to do is meet us halfway and at least make some effort to understand on your own

[20:52:39]

mag0o:

right

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mag0o:

SG considerations need to be taken into account, correct?

[20:53:21]

Trinity33:

so lets do it card type dvb dtv capture card (v3.x) then next section is about dvb device numebr what i should put over there?

[20:53:24]

wagnerrp:

mag0o: yes, as mentioned, its a fluke that it happens to work in your current scenario

[20:53:32]

iamlindoro:

Trinity33: No.

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iamlindoro:

Trinity33: Please read the setup portions of the documentation

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high-rez:

trinity: Then configure your card (dvb card, make sure you have /dev/dvb/adapter0), add video source, connect it with input connections then channel scan.

[20:54:36]

Trinity33:

<iamlindoro> u are really nice man:) very helpful i love u already

[20:55:10]

iamlindoro:

Trinity33: It's not about loving us-- this is just the way it works-- having the channel to help you doesn't excuse you from reading the documentation

[20:55:18]

iamlindoro:

IRC is a last resort, not a first one

[20:55:37]

iamlindoro:

so again, I/we politely ask that you read the documentation and take a shot at configuring things yourself once you have done so

[20:56:02]

Trinity33:

ok im going back to microsoft

[20:56:17]

Trinity33:

just kidding:)

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justinh:

bye then

[20:56:26]

Trinity33:

ok will read it hahaha

[20:56:42]

Trinity33:

so see you in 3 months

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justinh:

you could always ask for your money back if you still can't get it working

[20:56:56]

wagnerrp:

basically, were not paid enough to walk every single mythtv user through an installation, start to finish

[20:57:03]

wagnerrp:

thats why the documentation is there

[20:57:04]

Beirdo:

if it takes ya 3 months to read, seeya in 3 months :)

[20:57:16]

Trinity33:

:)

[20:57:19]

cockney:

this helped me a lot http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[20:57:20]

Beirdo:

it shouldn't be bad

[20:57:25]

iamlindoro:

and for what it's worth, emotional blackmail doesn't work

[20:57:32]

iamlindoro:

we would love it if most Myth users went back to windows

[20:57:34]

high-rez:

They're paid to belittle you once you get almost across the finish line and have that one thing you can't figure out. :)

[20:57:35]

** high-rez ducks **

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iamlindoro:

would be nice and quiet

[20:57:39]

justinh:

always ironic that in the time we spend arguing why we don't give people hand-holding walkthroughs, we could probably have done it by then

[20:57:56]

Trinity33:

ok i will ask just one question would haupaugge nova-s usb2 work with mythtv?

[20:57:58]

Beirdo:

justinh: go ahead :)

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justinh:

cockney: no! Man, that guide is just so wrong on so many levels now. It used to be on my recommend list but not anymore

[20:58:20]

Beirdo:

if it works with linux, it should work with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

Trinity33: if linuxtv.org lists it as a supported device, it will almost certainly work in mythtv

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justinh:

Trinity33: yes, assuming you get the drivers working

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justinh:

test the hardware outside mythtv first, too

[20:58:40]

high-rez:

Trinity33: If it works with linux then it'll work with myth. It's dvb-s – sop as I said earlier make sure you have /dev/dvb/adapter0 !

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justinh:

and you *really* need to find a howto guide for dvb-s, cos it's the most involved of all setups

[20:59:36]

justinh:

you can almost blunder your way through the setup to get it working with any other type of card but not dvb-s

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justinh:

cockney: OI! No unsolicited PMs please

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high-rez:

It's not that involved. Heck, now that myth auto scans all of the other transponders after you manually scan the first its prety straight forward.

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Trinity33:

ubuntu is something i like to spend time with im not specialist etc everythign i know learned myself there is still many things i dont understnd :) so what /dev/dvb/adapter0 mean and how shoudl i check it out?

[21:00:09]

cockney:

hmm forgive me new to IRC

[21:00:12]

cockney:

first time

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Beirdo:

Trinity33: documentation :)

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justinh:

once upon a time people would come round to your house & set fire to it as you sleep for that kind of thing. Now folks just yell politely

[21:01:18]

wagnerrp:

i just ignore them

[21:01:25]

wagnerrp:

makes the feel sad and unwanted

[21:01:52]

justinh:

I had * msg on ignore once.. wonder why it's not now

[21:02:17]

Beirdo:

justinh: yer my antisocial hero :)

[21:02:22]

justinh:

used to have all the matrix nicks on ignore too :)

[21:02:50]

justinh:

*neo* etc, oh and *guru*, cos you always know they ain't

[21:03:06]

Beirdo:

and *uber*? :)

[21:03:30]

Beirdo:

the only way that one is correct would be ubermoron and the like

[21:03:54]

justinh:

yeah seems the more self referential the nick is..

[21:03:59]

Beirdo:

and anyone who identifies themselves like that needs #therapy

[21:04:09]

cockney:

there are several people at work interested in my myth setup and I often point them to http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php to help them. what's the best resource to point people to these days or is mythbuntu the way to go?

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justinh:

cockney: official mythbuntu docs, ubuntu community docs.. they all stand more chance of being good practise & up to date

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Beirdo:

http://www.mythtv.org/ would be a good starting point :)

[21:04:55]

wagnerrp:

one of the pre-packages distros is definitely the way to start out with mythtv

[21:04:58]

high-rez:

I think the mythtv wiki is pretty good.

[21:05:11]

Beirdo:

and then after they decide they want it, THEN a distro

[21:05:19]

cockney:

i found parker spot on when I first used it (8.04/.21)

[21:05:25]

cockney:

up and running in no time

[21:05:38]

Beirdo:

that way they understand the concepts as they read the docs :)

[21:05:40]

justinh:

me too, and then it got way out of date & a big messy mess

[21:05:53]

justinh:

it might be caught up again but erm.. hmm

[21:06:21]

Beirdo:

justinh: someone in another channel was heard to say "stupid git" not long ago

[21:06:34]

AndyCap:

Beirdo: revision control fail?

[21:06:46]

Beirdo:

referring to the version control system :) but reminded me of the Brits...

[21:06:50]

Beirdo:

yup

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justinh:

heheheh

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Beirdo:

Linus picked a great name for it

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justinh:

I coulda picked a better one ;-)

[21:08:13]

Beirdo:

but is it publishable in mixed company? :)

[21:08:20]

justinh:

still, rather that than the daft reciprocal acronyms people use

[21:08:23]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: didnt that patch actually show up on one of the lists a couple weeks ago

[21:08:59]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yes, I just couldn't be bothered to/was too busy with real life at the time to grab it, apply it, test it, etc.

[21:09:43]

Beirdo:

hey, who said you are allowed a real life? :)

[21:10:00]

AndyCap:

Hmm, nobody invented a backronym for git?

[21:10:07]

Beirdo:

I thought we were supposed to be cybergeeks :)

[21:10:17]

Beirdo:

AndyCap: not that I've heard

[21:10:38]

AndyCap:

"I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First Linux, now git."

[21:10:40]

Beirdo:

Apparently Linus said he tends to name his projects self-referentially

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Beirdo:

yup

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AndyCap:

meh http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitFaq#W . . . t.27_name.3F

[21:11:09]

Beirdo:

I think MS management would agree with that

[21:11:09]

AndyCap:

nothing good.

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justinh:

well that settles it. I won't be able to talk about my next theme cos it'll be called something decidedly un-family friendly :D

[21:14:11]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:14:24]

Beirdo:

now why would ya wanna do that? :)

[21:14:27]

kormoc:

Call it "Go die in a fire" and use flash with animated flames and stuff!

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justinh:

and anyone asking about it by name here will get kicked :D

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

"You don't understand the brilliance I can bring to the project with animated flames!"

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justinh:

kormoc: I released a roaring fire pack for glass-wide once upon a time

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justinh:

it was awful though.. like the rest of the junk but heh

[21:16:58]

Beirdo:

sounds good to me. :)

[21:17:12]

iamlindoro:

Does anyone still have the link to that guy's fire theme mockups?

[21:17:13]

Beirdo:

can we have one with a simulated fireplace inset?

[21:17:21]

iamlindoro:

the guy Chutt kicked from #mythtv

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iamlindoro:

after he told him to f off

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iamlindoro:

hahah

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wagnerrp:

wow... kicked from #mythtv

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Beirdo:

or can someone make an mpeg of a fireplace burning to use as a "test tuner" :)

[21:17:54]

wagnerrp:

ive never seen such a thing

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

still have all my fireplace pngs somewhere

[21:18:12]

iamlindoro:

sphery probably has logs that go back to then

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kormoc:

what logs doesn't sphery have?

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iamlindoro:

I checked six or so months ago and the guy's mockups were still there

[21:18:31]

iamlindoro:

but don't have the link any more

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Beirdo:

wish I could help ya, iamlindoro

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Beirdo:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

no worries

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kormoc:

they were epic awesome

[21:22:04]

iamlindoro:

I think all he had mocked up was MythGame

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Beirdo:

too bad his attitude wasn't compatible with the project then

[21:23:01]

iamlindoro:

kormoc is being facetious :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:23:11]

Beirdo:

as always

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iamlindoro:

Maybe I'll write a companion OSD for justinh's GDIAF-wide

[21:23:46]

Beirdo:

Mr. Needs-A-Kleenex is really making me mad again

[21:23:48]

iamlindoro:

KOIP-osd

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iamlindoro:

(Knife over IP)

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

got a coworker who has a runny nose and won't blow it... Hoooornk every 15s or so

[21:24:43]

silverdulcet:

Has anyone experienced problems when using jump points from a folder within Mythvideo? eg. I'm in the Chuck/Season 2 folder and I press the key/remote button for the Upcoming Recordings jump point, instead of taking me there it takes me to the top level of MythVideo. If I press it a 2nd time nothing happens. When I press stop to exit MythVideo it takes me directly to Upcoming Recordings.

[21:24:56]

** Beirdo eyes the kleenex box on his desk and wonders if he can nail the twit in the head **

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wagnerrp:

silverdulcet: there are known issues with jumppoints

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wagnerrp:

although i believe they were fixed several months ago in trunk

[21:25:48]

silverdulcet:

wagnerrp: thanks, glad it isn't something I did.

[21:26:36]

wagnerrp:

looks like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7322

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, looks like the dev who applied that ticket didn't backport it. What a douche.

[21:27:22]

iamlindoro:

Guy should be stabbed in the face

[21:27:34]

Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

what happened to the family friendly, touchy feely?

[21:27:46]

Beirdo:

I didn't do it, man

[21:27:51]

justinh:

or was that just til you got rid of the junk?

[21:27:51]

iamlindoro:

justinh: It's okay when it's self-abuse :)

[21:27:51]

wagnerrp:

silverdulcet: yeah, no one around here likes robertm

[21:28:06]

iamlindoro:

yeah, he's universally hated

[21:28:15]

iamlindoro:

He threw out like the two most helpful guys here

[21:28:16]

Beirdo:

especially by mchou

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justinh:

emmcee who? ;-)

[21:28:39]

gbee:

oh, glad it's not just me then

[21:28:50]

iamlindoro:

hah

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Beirdo:

nice one, justinh :)

[21:29:10]

justinh:

that juski guy.. oh man the hate emails I used to send him to make him stop putting those awful themes out

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justinh:

finally worked, but do I ever hear the end of it? ;-)

[21:29:27]

Beirdo:

heh

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** iamlindoro fires off an e-mail to justinh for not forward-porting bluetube **

[21:29:50]

Beirdo:

I am Cornholio!

[21:30:03]

iamlindoro:

why do you hate freedom? You just don't get FOSS

[21:30:09]

Beirdo:

I miss Beavis & Butthead... what's wrong with me

[21:30:23]

iamlindoro:

Everyone knows community is abot you doing what I say, and taking all my suggestions, and applying all my patches, no matter how absurd

[21:30:34]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah... so when is that python rewrite of mythweb going to get released?

[21:30:37]

iamlindoro:

Oh me? I can't learn to program, I have a life

[21:30:42]

Beirdo:

whoah. who let Linus in the room?

[21:30:43]

justinh:

Beirdo: me too

[21:30:58]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Ask kormoc, he's been working night and day at it

[21:31:06]

Beirdo:

python?

[21:31:10]

kormoc:

It's true, my fingers are worn to the bone!

[21:31:16]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:31:20]

kormoc:

there's blood shorting out the laptop as we speak!

[21:31:26]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: yeah, a couple years back, someone demanded kormoc rewrite mythweb in python

[21:31:31]

Beirdo:

heheh

[21:31:41]

wagnerrp:

because thats the way FOSS works

[21:31:43]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'll get right on that... BONK

[21:32:27]

Beirdo:

FOSS means the REQUESTOR is free to use python to recreate the wheel :) Some people :)

[21:32:45]

kormoc:

yeah, he was horribly upset that I wouldn't do it

[21:32:50]

Beirdo:

wow

[21:32:59]

justinh:

sometimes I think it'd have a much better ring to it (FOSS) if it had a letter L in it

[21:32:59]

Beirdo:

when's the RoR version coming out?

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[21:33:14]

iamlindoro:

I think I'mma get me a new PS3 game on the way home

[21:33:19]

kormoc:

but not nearly as bad as the one who threatened to sue over mythweb not working on lighttp

[21:33:19]

iamlindoro:

to quench my desire for shinies

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Beirdo:

we should be able to select which mythweb we want...

[21:33:25]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:33:30]

Beirdo:

sue?!

[21:33:44]

Beirdo:

on what grounds, may I ask? mental retardation?

[21:33:51]

kormoc:

"It doesn't work! That's false advertising!"

[21:33:55]

Beirdo:

or on some sort of entitlement?

[21:34:02]

Beirdo:

oh please

[21:34:14]

wagnerrp:

a little from column A, a little from column B

[21:34:16]

Beirdo:

it's under GPL which states "no warranty whatsoever"

[21:34:23]

gbee:

Beirdo: no that's what we all thought, but apparently we had it backwards, FOSS means that we have to listen to the community and implement the ideas they have, if there is a majority of community members who want a feature and we fail to implement it then we're summarily executed ... or something

[21:34:32]

Beirdo:

good luck winning that one, dude :)

[21:34:39]

Beirdo:

gbee: wow :)

[21:34:59]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Speaking of which, since Terra has been voted out of the default theme spot, when will you have the new one ready? ;)

[21:35:05]

Beirdo:

hehe, they can fork it and do what they want :)

[21:35:32]

Beirdo:

I wish em luck

[21:35:34]

kormoc:

Yeah, I've gotten my fair share of crazies

[21:35:43]

high-rez:

*cough*blue-abstract*cough*

[21:35:49]

Beirdo:

you are a crazy-magnet

[21:35:59]

gbee:

Beirdo: but they are too busy to learn how to program, that's what they pay us for! ... oh wait, something's wrong with that statement

[21:36:00]

kormoc:

especially in ladies!

[21:36:01]

iamlindoro:

blue-abstract is fairly unlikely to become a default theme

[21:36:10]

high-rez:

Its soo purdy.

[21:36:20]

iamlindoro:

between the illegally obtained images and the theft of all the widgets from.. well.. me.

[21:36:29]

Beirdo:

gbee: hehehe. Feature requests are fine and dandy... but *request* not *demand* :)

[21:36:43]

high-rez:

Illegally obtained images? Theft of widgets? What?

[21:37:03]

iamlindoro:

He uses trademarked images owned by Dolby, among others

[21:37:04]

** gbee ducks into the fox hole **

[21:37:09]

justinh:

taking without consent, etc

[21:37:18]

high-rez:

Ahh, didn't know.

[21:37:18]

iamlindoro:

and took all my Graphite widgets to make his own (which isn't theft since they're GPL, but it is lazy)

[21:37:19]

justinh:

using without crediting, etc

[21:37:40]

Beirdo:

I hereby demand that mythtv go out and purchase the best tuner available and install it for me... Make it so!

[21:37:42]

high-rez:

I don't think the GPL requires attribution ;)

[21:37:55]

justinh:

yeah but it's common courtesy

[21:38:02]

iamlindoro:

Top that off with the fact that it's basically default-wide with some minor layout cleanups, and the technician in me isn't very impressed

[21:38:02]

Beirdo:

it doesn't, but common sense does

[21:38:04]

AndyCap:

there's being right and there's being nice

[21:38:17]

iamlindoro:

All that said, he's done a fine job on it

[21:38:26]

iamlindoro:

It's just not likely to ever be a core theme mostly for the trademark issues

[21:38:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, makes sense

[21:38:51]

justinh:

work the trademarked icons over a bit.. and maybe.. ?

[21:39:11]

high-rez:

Yeah, that's fair enough. Its a very visually appealing theme though. The text is just a little too small – i find myself asking my wife to read whats on the screen.

[21:39:42]

justinh:

all the new themes I've seen won't work on my teevees

[21:39:47]

justinh:

aitch dee

[21:39:47]

silverdulcet:

did you guys see this guys diagram? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1418182

[21:39:50]

silverdulcet:

;-p

[21:39:57]

iamlindoro:

There is just no way at all to appease everyone with a theme

[21:40:07]

AndyCap:

high-rez: ironic considering your nick. :P

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iamlindoro:

Everyones going to have *some* great big omplaint that they take to the forums and use as a reason to call your hundreds of hours of work "atrocious," or "ugly," or "repulsive" or whatever

[21:40:46]

wagnerrp:

silverdulcet: that man is a crackhead

[21:40:56]

justinh:

I only got negative press by personal email :-\

[21:40:58]

silverdulcet:

wagnerrp: heh, thought someone would enjoy that...

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high-rez:

AndyCap: Well yeah, I uhh got this nick when I was like 12 yrs old on efnet. :) my vision was ok back then.

[21:41:51]

silverdulcet:

I think he missed the point of mythtv, just run ethernet and your set, why do you have to run 3 types of audio out from the backend?

[21:42:12]

AndyCap:

hdmi in is also fail. :P

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sphery:

iamlindoro: flaming flash stuff was at http://www.svachon.com/catapult/1.jpg (and several others) with more available at http://www.svachon.com/catapult/ . Now all just redirect to the main page which doesn't seem to have any info on it.

[21:42:30]

sphery:

seems he took it down

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iamlindoro:

How appropriate, he fought like a cow

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wagnerrp:

silverdulcet: it *can* be done, but it will forever be a complete pain to set up

[21:42:59]

iamlindoro:

(Monkey Island and Last name joke!)

[21:43:37]

silverdulcet:

iamlindoro: not that I don't appreciate the work people put into themes, but I find it easiest to find the one with the least problems and things I don't like about it.

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iamlindoro:

silverdulcet: Choice is everyone's prerogative. Getting online and using words you would never dare to use to the author's face is not.

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iamlindoro:

If you don't like someone's work, you don't have to use it. It does *not* grant you a license to talk about what garbage it is when you couldn't come close yourself

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: to be perfectly honest, anyone can say anything about anything :/

[21:45:51]

high-rez:

There is context to this conversation that I'm missing. ;)

[21:45:52]

iamlindoro:

Can != has a right to

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fryfrog:

it isn't the *nice* thing to do

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high-rez:

I think that goes ack to courtesy...

[21:50:20]

gbee:

internet makes stupid people feel very brave

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Beirdo:

:)

[21:50:39]

Beirdo:

aye

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wagnerrp:

i think penny-arcade put it best

[21:51:01]

wagnerrp:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

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** sphery is disappointed to learn that The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain ( http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/10612 ) may not have been a true story **

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sphery:

gbee is always raining on my parades

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gbee:

heh

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** iamlindoro awards sphery the "Obscure reference of the day award." Otherwise known as "The Nerdie." **

[21:53:17]

iamlindoro:

and the obscure reference was *annotated*

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sphery:

heh

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gbee:

the highest point in wales can be reached by a mountain train ... kinda spoils the achievement of walking up there

[21:53:43]

sphery:

hey, I really saw that movie and thought it was based on a true story

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gbee:

it would be nice if it were true :)

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Beirdo:

"based on a true story" = "completely made it up and used one original name"

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Beirdo:

Hollywood translation filter

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iamlindoro:

Sigh, I love when people come and ask a (non development related) question in the dev channel, get an answer, and then go and post the same question to one of the numbskull Myth forums

[21:55:29]

sphery:

basically, the people in the area always called the hill a mountain, but then the gov sent a surveyor to find the height and they found it was like 2 feet short, so they people all carried rocks and dirt to the top and made it higher so it could be declared a mountain according to the legal definition

[21:55:39]

iamlindoro:

"Hmm, these fine folks might know more than the devs do"

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sphery:

spoilers ^^^

[21:56:14]

iamlindoro:

I don't think the spoiler tag works that way

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:56:27]

iamlindoro:

Hey, remember that thing I just told you? Yeah, that was a spoiler.

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sphery:

:)

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jduggan:

sphery: i live not too far from that hill

[21:57:02]

jduggan:

sphery: and my friend from college comes from the village by it

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sphery:

iamlindoro: where the forum post for the "I don't like the answer the devs gave me"

[21:57:19]

sphery:

jduggan: cool... so is it a hill or a mountain?

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jduggan:

was it a hugh grant?

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sphery:

that sounds right

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jduggan:

sphery: nfi :D

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/12840 . . . atabase.html

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sphery:

nice

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wagnerrp:

so...

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iamlindoro:

More than that, he was instructed in fair detail (I believe by wagnerrp and others) on how to properly implement, but here we are yesterday still trying to hack the heck out of it

[21:59:39]

wagnerrp:

he worked his way back to the backend status page to discover that the information was in fact not gotten from the database

[21:59:53]

wagnerrp:

but he doesnt realize he can just pull it from the backend status page?

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kormoc:

I like how he wouldn't look at the source to see how the apps are doing it but requesting someone else read the source and tell him directly

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: ooh, he said that's 'prone to break'

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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sphery:

why do it right when you can hack scripts and get something that barely works with today's implementation--assuming sufficient duct tape to hold it together--and could break at any time?

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kormoc:

"It looks like he's grep'ing MythWeb ... IMHO getting data second hand always breaks – if I can determine where MythWeb get's it's status from, then that would be much more robust."

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iamlindoro:

You know, any duct tape and bash code, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from real code

[22:00:55]

** kormoc claps **

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iamlindoro:

Like Asimov said

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wagnerrp:

except its in bash

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sphery:

kormoc: nice...

[22:01:06]

iamlindoro:

or was it Clarke?

[22:01:13]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: and maintainable? :)

[22:01:15]

Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Clarke, I think

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I hear with duct tape and bash, you can completely make it so people aren't forced to run MythVideo

[22:01:32]

wagnerrp:

you talking about the technology/magic quote?

[22:01:38]

Beirdo:

not that parts of myth's code don't need a de-duct-taping :)

[22:01:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery: At least, freed from the chains of MythVideo!

[22:01:46]

sphery:

s/least/last/

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yes

[22:01:57]

iamlindoro:

but google confirms Clarke

[22:02:05]

Beirdo:

but at least it's being worked on

[22:02:18]

sphery:

Beirdo: agreed

[22:02:24]

iamlindoro:

by some :)

[22:02:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, some :)

[22:02:33]

iamlindoro:

some are just shoehorning more crap in as fast as we can de-crap

[22:02:41]

Beirdo:

hehe.

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sphery:

the hard part, though, is convincing all the users who complain after you fix something properly that the change is worthwhile\

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** Beirdo steals the rolls of duct tape **

[22:02:50]

iamlindoro:

remove one setting, add another one, and the dance goes on

[22:03:08]

sphery:

actually, remove one setting, add 4 other ones

[22:03:29]

Beirdo:

yeah. and break 3 more in the process

[22:03:52]

Beirdo:

it would be nice to be able to automatically regression test

[22:04:00]

sphery:

yeah, where the 3 you broke are ones that are used by a single user as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist

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Beirdo:

but no clue how that would be possible for something so gui-driven

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sphery:

i.e. "allow a user-configurable LIRC program name"

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wagnerrp:

so is anyone else currently writing out a clue to give these people, or should I?

[22:04:37]

Beirdo:

or are used by only a very very small portion of people...

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** sphery really needs to rewrite that patch so it doesn't introduce any new settings that are useless to 99.999% of users **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it would be nice to have some way of collecting usage stats (ie. type and quantity of tuner, etc)

[22:06:10]

Beirdo:

without pissing off the privacy nazis

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Chicago:

Beirdo, something like popcorn with Debian?

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stevieman:

Why can I not get a show to record everyday at a specific time, It will record on the 1st day then all days following it says it's recording at an earlier time

[22:06:26]

Chicago:

Ask them if they want to participate in the "popularity contest".

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kormoc:

I keep meaning to write something like that into mythweb, so you can go to a mythweb page, see the data, hit submit to send it off

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kormoc:

stevieman: cause your duplicate policy thinks it's all the same show/episode

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silverdulcet:

stevieman: sounds like a duplicate checking is misconfigured.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah that would be nice

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stevieman:

yah, I was playing with that

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Beirdo:

kinda like the old RHN used to have pre-FC1

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iamlindoro:

or your listings data is of sufficiently low quality that duplicate checking is useless

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Beirdo:

brb

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stevieman:

it seems that you have to make the change, esc out of the schedule area, save the changes before the changes show up in the preview

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stevieman:

iamlindoro: my listing data is from schedules direct

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iamlindoro:

Then it's unlikely to be the listings data, but it still could be depending on what you're trying to record

[22:09:19]

iamlindoro:

ie some local broadcast might all show up as generic

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kormoc:

"Unannounced"

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Beirdo:

there. bye bye remaining coffee

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stevieman:

iamlindoro: well they are repeats, I think the problem was I was selecting the back option on the screen which tossed the changes I made out the window

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Beirdo:

time to head off home. Seeya on the flip side

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sphery:

stevieman: if you're saying that the speculative scheduler isn't working, that may be the case--there was/is a ticket for it

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sphery:

just a guess since I don't know what "preview area" means

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silverdulcet:

sphery: upcoming recordings perhaps?

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stevieman:

when you make changes in the scheduler there is an option to preview upcoming recordings

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7070 ?

[22:12:18]

sphery:

if so, it's fixed for 0.23

[22:12:55]

sphery:

now I see why you called it "preview" area--since the name on the button was changed in 0.22 to something not very descriptive

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stevieman:

that might be the problem I was having, having to save the change first seemed wrong and certainly not intuative, although it is still much better than my cable compaies STB-PVR

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sphery:

hmmm.. guess that change went in before 0.22

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

i had some playback issues so i decided to upgrade to nvidia 195 on my box

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metalac:

the problem is that I need to install libvdpau1 on it, but it won't let me do it without removing myth

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iamlindoro:

That's a packaging issue

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metalac:

this is on a mythbuntu box

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iamlindoro:

sounds like {myth}*buntu

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metalac:

is there anything I can do about it?

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iamlindoro:

you should ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro:

since we don't provide myth packages here

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metalac:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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silverdulcet:

any thoughts on making mythshutdown --setwakeup set the next time to wake the machine as either the next scheduled recording or the next scheduled listings update?

[22:17:43]

silverdulcet:

whichever comes first?

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silverdulcet:

not sure how many people still use mythwelcome, etc.

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Chicago:

silverdulcet, done deal with nvram-wakeup

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silverdulcet:

Chicago: the problem I run into, is mythshutdown always uses the next recording time, if the next wakeup time is set for a listing update rather then a recording, then Mythwelcome starts mythfrontend, since it thinks it was woken by a user instead of automatically.

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sphery:

silverdulcet: sounds like you need to fix the "auto-wakeup or user-wakeup" check in mythwelcome

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Chicago:

Go with what sphery said, the behavior you're describing AFAIK is by design.

[22:25:47]

sphery:

if what you're proposing would make it so that mythwelcome knew that it woke for listings fill, then that's a patch that should be submitted.

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Chicago:

silverdulcet, One workaround might be to keep your master backend up... perhaps doing nothing... and keep a database up... somewhere else.... and then use nvram-wakeup for a slave backend which does recording jobs.

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silverdulcet:

sphery: to be honest, I'm guilty of trying to use bash to fudge it, afaik, mythshutdown --setwake isn't set as a next recording time, it assumes it was woken by the user. I'll have to look into it more.

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sphery:

or just change your mythfilldatabase program setting's value to the absolute path of a script that runs mythfilldatabase and then kills mythfrontend (ideally doing some check to see if it's a run just after wakeup)

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Chicago:

Why don't we "fund" the mythtv project with something analog to Neilson ratings???

[22:29:31]

silverdulcet:

sphery: that could work also, thanks.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im going to catch hell for recommending they use something other than bash

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why people continue to try to hack everything and the world together in bash

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Heh, agree with you there. But I say the same thing of python (i think its unreadable : -)

[22:40:11]

wagnerrp:

i mean seriously... its easier to do string manipulation in raw C than in bash

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high-rez:

perl ftw!

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wagnerrp:

i only stay away from perl because... i stay away from perl and have never bothered to learn it

[22:41:58]

wagnerrp:

i imagine its not that hard to pick up

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iamlindoro:

Ooooooooh Dagmar would be so mad at you

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iamlindoro:

wonder where he's got off to

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iamlindoro:

oh, right

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high-rez:

I think a lot of people dislike perl because of the loose syntax checking. I use strict everytime I use it and its sane enough... Python though ... produces the most unreadable code/awful stack traces imho.

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wagnerrp:

the only time ive had problems with stack traces in python is when ive either split the line onto multiple lines

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wagnerrp:

to keep under 80 characters

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wagnerrp:

or if im dealing with threading

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wagnerrp:

but debugging with threads is going to be a PITA anyway

[22:44:38]

wagnerrp:

that plus python doesnt actually support multithreading

[22:44:58]

wagnerrp:

you can fork off multiple 'threads' which function independently

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high-rez:

I'm certain I'll make no friends here saying it, but I really like working with java. :)

[22:45:10]

wagnerrp:

but only one thread at a time gets pushed through the interpreter

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xris:

high-rez: ruby wins for unreadable in my book

[22:47:01]

high-rez:

xris: Yeah, well, I didn't mention ruby because myth doesn't use it – but I agree. :) I had to install some rails app in the past and found myself questioning if it was worth the money to deal with.

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high-rez:

A place I worked at... Brought in a guy to write an app (test tool). He did it all in ruby and wowed everyone showing how fast it was to develop and how great ruby is and then he left and nobody could use maintain it. :)

[22:48:52]

gbee:

heh, updated package available "irqbalance – Daemon to balance irq's across multiple CPUsâ€‹" with the following reason given for the update "This update fixes a bug in irqbalance that makes it to fail to spread IRQs in a SMP or a muli core machine (#57523)"

[22:49:06]

gbee:

so ... basically it was completely broken then?

[22:49:09]

sid3windr:

so uyhh

[22:49:10]

sid3windr:

what DID it do

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sid3windr:

:p

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gbee:

reading the ticket it looks like another case of packager fail, a patch they applied removed the code which retrieved the core count, as a result it always saw zero cores and just exited

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justinh:

rename s/\ \ /\ / *.mp3 -v

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justinh:

bum

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justinh:

I really need to sort out the formatting in my dvb radio export script

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ruby... unreadable?

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

but whatever floats yer boat

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justinh:

scooby?

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Beirdo:

doo

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Beirdo:

had to be said

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justinh:

that perl junk thingy I made to convert radio recordings to emptyfleas... it messes with the formatting & could do with being more.. *nice*

[23:00:56]

justinh:

for one thing I'm not a fan of the date format I used :P

[23:01:01]

justinh:

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Beirdo:

perl is kinda like C... a million wrong ways to do anything

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Beirdo:

that's probably why I like perl :)

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justinh:

I like it too. I like C++ too, what little I can do in it

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justinh:

oh Beirdo you prolly missed all the fun I had when I was mucking about trying to put effects in the painters

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justinh:

I might still have the screenshots somewhere

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

I was in tears laughing

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justinh:

messing around with opengl with not a single clue what I was doing

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justinh:

I really must get back on the case with that

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justinh:

before I lose what little free time I have left

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I just changed my windows mouse pointers (finally).

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Beirdo:

I can now see it when it is over a black putty window :)

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justinh:

damn. so typical I decide to up my game again so close to a release

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

and there was great rejoicing... yaya

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Beirdo:

yeah well, just think, that gives you time before the next release :)

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justinh:

myers

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Beirdo:

?

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justinh:

might finally be able to shoehorn in that analog clock widget

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Beirdo:

have some duct tape

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

anyway looks like you're gonna have to imagine what Terra would look like if every element was drawn in GL when the axes have been rotated by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. It was surreal

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justinh:

it's gonna bug me now though.. the shots were in imagebin.. somewhere

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Captain_Murdoch:

until their 14-day expiration policy hit....

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Beirdo:

justinh: nice

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

ah. they're still on one of my boxes too...

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justinh:

along with the last working code.. big analogue clock superimposed on top of the menus.. looks mint IMHO

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gbee:

polo or extra strong?

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justinh:

extra strong :D

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justinh:

haha I found http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/concept.ogg again

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justinh:

forgot that was up there

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justinh:

dont try that at home kids. fullscreen flipbook animation. gnarly

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** gbee feels seasick **

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justinh:

yeh well obviously any animated background should be *way* more subtle ;)

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** gbee vomits on justinh's shoes **

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gbee:

ahh, much better

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justinh:

bleh

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gbee:

v. cool though

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justinh:

never did work out that gaussian blur either did I

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justinh:

gbee: that was before fanart came along IIRC.. the memory load of the background loop is just about tolerable.. but with cached artworks.. heh

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justinh:

oh, but once the OSD is all mythui'd.. don't imagine it'll be too long before we could have video backgrounds for menus.. and then folks could really unleash hell

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justinh:

shudder. In a nice way, I mean

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justinh:

I've not had fun with computers for so long now.. I miss the ickle bits of code I used to hack on

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Chicago:

justinh, if you're missing fun why not blindly pick a new app to hack upon/

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Chicago:

?

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Chicago:

I can recommend one for you :)

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GadgetWisdomGuru:

Hmmm...

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justinh:

Chicago: because mythtv is about the only OSS app I like

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justinh:

well, apart from maybe Putty, but that has all the features I want

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Chicago:

justinh, I understand.

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Chicago:

justinh, putty is missing one feature I want.

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justinh:

I'd try to make firefox suck less if I had the faintest clue where to begin ;)

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Chicago:

haha

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AndyCap:

Chicago: moon on a stick?

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Chicago:

AndyCap, huh?

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justinh:

heh that old lee & herring sketch

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AndyCap:

Chicago: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/p . . . n-stick.html

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Chicago:

Putty is missing old-skewel ANSI-BBS support.

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Chicago:

Ah... the putty wish list... hehe

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Chicago:

I was looking for a few apps useful in the 21st century for playing TradeWars... unfortunately plain old telnet in windows seems to be the best.

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AndyCap:

so this then? :) http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/p . . . -compat.html

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justinh:

question is.. are there any old-skewel BBS left?

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Chicago:

I'm going to end up putting dos 6.22 somewhere again.

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Chicago:

justinh, yes Citadel project.

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justinh:

meh

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AndyCap:

citadel is hardly old-school

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Chicago:

And I'm using it. ;) My bbs isn't open to the public yet.

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tehpola:

I'm having some issues getting MythTV serving music over UPnP, when I run mythbackend -v upnp, and try to play a song via my PS3, this is what I get in the log: HTTPRequest::SendResponse(xml/html) (/Band of Horses/Everything All the Time/01 – The First Song.mp3) :404 Not Found -> 192.168.3.106: 2

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justinh:

I don't miss having to use a modem

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Chicago:

AndyCap, recommend an old school bbs then?

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AndyCap:

considering they're pusing it as a groupware

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tehpola:

it also fails trying to play on my N900, so its not just the PS3

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AndyCap:

Chicago: telnet fix.no ?

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tehpola:

strangely, it plays recorded video fine though

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Chicago:

AndyCap, I mean software.

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Chicago:

AndyCap, it's not like Telegard was going to stick around forever.

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AndyCap:

well, fix is running bbbs still.

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tehpola:

ok, but the video gets a fully resolved path: SendResponseFile ( /mnt/external-hd/Television/Recorded/1071_20100225225500.mpg ); any idea why that could be?

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Chicago:

AndyCap, I'll checkout fix.no. Sorry to get off-topic with the BBS stuff :)

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AndyCap:

Chicago: anyhow. if citadel plans to keep the tty interface around I guess they still count. :)

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Chicago:

AndyCap, the tty interface rocks... webcit.... not so much.

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Chicago:

I think the purpose of WebCit is for you to take it apart and build your own app out of it's framework.;

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