Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

simply supporting S2 doesnt necessarily mean it can do S

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dustybin:

ace

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dustybin:

ok

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high-rez:

I think every dvb-s2 card I've seen also works with dvb-s...

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dustybin:

double ace :D

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason for them not to

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dustybin:

i could keep my hauppauge dual nova-t tuner and get a hauppage dual nova-s2 tuner for hd channels

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high-rez:

Not sure where you are, but in the states dvb-s2 is almost completely useless. I think there's a couple of DVB-S2 feeds, but not much. :)

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wagnerrp:

hes a brit

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high-rez:

Lucky. :/

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dustybin:

we can only get HD via sat here

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dustybin:

or cable maybe/!

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dustybin:

and SKY crap

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jduggan:

or freeview

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dustybin:

freesat

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jduggan:

freeview shortly

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jduggan:

if not already

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jduggan:

;]

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dustybin:

i thought there wasnt enough bandwidth?

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high-rez:

At least some of the .eu providers like you use the CI in pci cards/usb cards.

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dustybin:

jduggan: would i require a new dvb-t card for that?

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dustybin:

dvb-t2 if there is such a thing

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dustybin:

http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/Services/Freeview-HD2

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high-rez:

(I've always wondered how much of it was actually possible – i saw technisat sells interfaces, but I wonder if many providers actually allow you to use them in the hardware of your choice in europe?)

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dustybin:

wow

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dustybin:

http://www.freeview.co.uk/blog/

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dustybin:

i better hurry up and build my new server :D

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dustybin:

and save up for a LED backlit HDTV

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dustybin:

and a zotac mag :D

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jduggan:

shrug

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jduggan:

i dont chase technology

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jduggan:

waste of money

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jduggan:

when im ready i'll sort it out

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jduggan:

might be another 2 years ;]

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bjd:

fail, HD in 2011

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dustybin:

everybody will be talking about UHD in 2011

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dustybin:

if you watch a film on SD or a film on HD, after a few minutes of watching the film, you will not realise if its SD or HD

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wagnerrp:

why would you want UHD?

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dustybin:

your brain gets used to whatever

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dustybin:

Ultra HD :P

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wagnerrp:

your eye cant process UHD

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dustybin:

:D

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jduggan:

my box cant process HD

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: it can if the screen is 500ft x 500ft :D

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wagnerrp:

not at a range you would normally watch TV at, at a size you might put in a home

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dustybin:

in a few years, google will be streaming tv straight into your homes

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dustybin:

then you will not require mythtv

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the fact that recording and editing 8K video would be ridiculously expensive

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jduggan:

i quite happily enjoyed movies on vhs

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jduggan:

fuck hd

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jduggan:

=]

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iamlindoro:

jduggan, you have been around WAY too long to not know about profanity rules in this channel

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: apologise

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jduggan:

=]

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iamlindoro:

I'm not irritated, but I want to be clear that the next time will come with a kick. since the rules apply to everyone

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

agree

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kormoc:

I've even kicked myself for it!

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jduggan:

:)

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bjd:

heh

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dustybin:

jduggan: do a search for the 'f' word here: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2008-09-07

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bjd:

it's quite strange, this is the only channel i'm in that has strict rules on profanity

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bjd:

mind, i don't swear and it doesn't bother me =)

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jduggan:

dustybin: why? =] im quite clear on the channel policy :)

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, a) before I was a channel admin or myth dev, b) before the channel admins agreed to more strictly enforce channel courtesy and profanity policies

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, But way to put yourself on my list

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dustybin:

aye ok :D

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dustybin:

im only joking :D

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iamlindoro:

I don't care for your jokes. And generally speaking, nobody cares for your serious, either

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kormoc:

Ahh, good old arguments with the /ignored

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bjd:

heh

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cecil:

hi kormoc, you up and disappeared on me at SCALE last weekend :-)

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kormoc:

cecil: Heh, I told you I was at the FSF booth :)

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cecil:

couldn't remember

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kormoc:

No worries :)

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cecil:

was a busy week beforehand

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kormoc:

It was a pretty awesome conference and I plan to be back

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cecil:

cool!

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kormoc:

Especially with the partnership :)

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cecil:

perhaps next year, we can have a shot of Patron together ;)

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kormoc:

cecil: For sure!

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** cecil turns around to do some work work now... **

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Aevum:

hello

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** kormoc waves **

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** Aevum particles **

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Aevum:

anyways, bad physics jokes aside, i was looking over the install guides for several o/s's and im wondering

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Aevum:

is there a standart install i can just drop in to a clean Atom/Ion machine ?

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Aevum:

like the XBMC Live that has a hard drive install option

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wagnerrp:

Aevum: mythtv does not ship binaries that can be installed

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wagnerrp:

however i know at least mythbuntu has an ISO that can be booted from

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Aevum:

everything is to be compiled

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kormoc:

LinHES might do the trick

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wagnerrp:

with the official packages, yes.... you only get source

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Aevum:

ok

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jarle:

is it possible to disable an input card for a while? So that mythtv will not use it?

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iamlindoro:

The easiest way is to disassociate the lineup with the input

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Aevum:

XBMC works ok

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Aevum:

i guess i have to work harder on emulator integration

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jarle:

iamlindoro: my card is not working, however myth wants to use this card if I enter live TV..

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iamlindoro:

so do the above

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iamlindoro:

in mythtv-setup, detach the video source from the input/card

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jarle:

iamlindoro: oki...

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cecil:

kormoc: thanks for the pointer, pity he didn't stay around long enough

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cecil:

as we have several emulators in our repo

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kormoc:

Np :)

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jarle:

iamlindoro: seemed to work fine...

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dashcloud:

hi, if I'm looking for a cheap way to add an SD-only frontend to my myth setup, is there an Ion-style setup with analog connectors, or do I need to look at one of the various media streamers out there?

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, there are no VDPAU capable boards with svideo output

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wagnerrp:

discrete graphics only

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wagnerrp:

either that, or you need a scan converter

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dashcloud:

wagnerrp: so is it worth building (or buying) a new frontend, or just get a media streamer box until the TV gets upgraded to HD?

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cecil:

dashcloud: if I were in your shoes, I'd build one

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cecil:

IMHO, a "media streamer" doesn't compare to a real mythfrontend

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cecil:

drop an nvidia 8400 chipset based card w/ svideo out

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cecil:

SD today and ready for HD tomorrow

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cecil:

and that is that

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wagnerrp:

right, and if you want a small system, you can get a case that supports riser cards

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wagnerrp:

or, you can just use your ION with a $40-$50 scan converter

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dashcloud:

can you get me a link to a scan converter? I think I know what they are, but not totally sure

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wagnerrp:

newegg has a couple

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wagnerrp:

google will find you more

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wagnerrp:

theyll work, but dont expect great quality video out of them

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im not a lawyer, so believe me when i say im not doing anything illegal

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I can't believe his, "I'm not a lawyer either, but I will be in August. ;-)"

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kormoc:

sphery: Ooh! That's a gem!

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kormoc:

what thread is that?

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sphery:

Not to mention the whole, "If you don't agree to the EULA, you can steal TMS's copyrighted data from Microsoft."

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sphery:

kormoc: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/425044#425044

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sphery:

kormoc: my response: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /282584.html

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sphery:

kormoc: having a person knowledgeable about TMS's copyrights on listings data (descriptions, possibly more?) post that there is copyrighted data would be nice

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dashcloud:

thanks guys!

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kormoc:

sphery: xris would be the better one, he knows all the legal stuff we can and can't disclose

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sphery:

If the guy really is in law school and about to pass the bar, you'd think he'd know not to give legal advice on the mailing list

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kormoc:

Yeah...

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sphery:

kormoc: ok

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sphery:

just wanted someone to dispute his claim that there's no copyrighted (even copyrightable) information in the listings

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kormoc:

Aye

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kormoc:

if xris doesn't feel like it, I'll put a word in

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sphery:

wagnerrp: also, since when is there a rule that if you don't want people accessing your data, you have to use good technological protection measures? He's saying that the ToS of every single website is invalid if there's no authentication/authorization component.

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kormoc:

there is no such rule, as the terms of service cover the service of giving you that information, if you don't agree to the terms, then you have no right to the service (funny how the name defines it!)

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xris:

technically, I think it's all copyrighted

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xris:

TMS even claims ownership of the data for the program and episode names, though I don't think that would hold up very well

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sphery:

xris: would be nice if you could reply to say that there is copyright – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/425065#425065 "But the data is not copyrighted (at least not by Microsoft or Zap2It)"

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xris:

but TMS definitely has a legit copyright on things like descriptions. they employ a huge staff of people to write those

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xris:

sphery: you'll have to remind me of that later when I'm not headed out the door to go home

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sphery:

TTBOMK, it's also possible to copyright a collection of facts as a work--where the act of collecting those facts is, itself, not a simple task

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sphery:

and, TV listings data would definitely fall under that description

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sphery:

xris: cool, thanks

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xris:

sphery: ok, replied.

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xris:

mc2xml bugs me.

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** xris goes home **

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wagnerrp:

here we go... Christopher Meredith, Mississippi College School of Law

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sphery:

xris: thanks

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sphery:

xris: excellent reply

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wagnerrp:

chris fight!

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, wonder what his professors/the dean of his college would think of his esteemed legal opinion

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: I think you should ask them!

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iamlindoro:

and of someone just about to take the bar enjoining others to break copyright

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iamlindoro:

No joke

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iamlindoro:

And as ever, the core argument is, you didn't pay for it, it's WRONG TO TAKE IT

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mchou:

wow

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kormoc:

indeed

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kormoc:

should ask if the college is okay with a pre-bar law student giving legal advice publicly as well...

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mchou:

do I have to "pay" to get a list of names and dates of all US presidents terms in office?

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sphery:

mchou: don't argue it, you know you're wrong

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mchou:

baloney

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mchou:

at best the descriptions are copyrigted

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sphery:

mchou: there's a big difference between a compilation of easy-to-obtain facts and a compilation of hard-to-obtain facts

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sphery:

mchou: /and/ there are non-factual data in there

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** sphery is happy to have remembered the word is "compilation" in copyright, so now he can look up info **

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iamlindoro:

and I consider any argument to the contrary to run afoul of our channel rules banning copyright infringement

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mchou:

the date, times, programs names, specifically is not copyrighted (although a compilation is)

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mchou:

and that's the point

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kormoc:

seconded on the afoul point

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sphery:

mchou: the point is that it costs TMS a fortune to obtain that data

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sphery:

mchou: if you think it's so easy to get your "list of presidents" for TV listings, just do it yourself and don't steal TMS's data

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iamlindoro:

which makes the downloading of the compilation without permission and in violation of MS'/TMS' ToS copyright infrigement

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mchou:

sphery: the data might cost a fortune fortune to compile

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kormoc:

not even considering that TMS licenses the data from the networks creating the content, and thus having a chain of custody on the copyrights

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mchou:

but facts are by definition not copyrightable

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pete27:

Hi, I just returned to MythTV after a year hiatus, and am REALLY impressed with the progress. MythTV is pretty awesome now.

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sphery:

A "compilation" is a work formed by the collection and assembling of preexisting materials or of data that are selected, coordinated, or arranged in such a way that the resulting work as a whole constitutes an original work of authorship.

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sphery:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103

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kormoc:

pete27: thanks, glad to have you back :)

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pete27:

The new Terra theme is great in many ways, but the weird font colors (black is selected, white is inactive?) and poor visibility of MythVideo media library items made Terra unusable.

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pete27:

So I edited the there to change around some things

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pete27:

Should I contribute this back, or is this stuff already being done?

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sphery:

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sphery:

IANAL

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kormoc:

pete27: best is to talk with the theme author (gbee for terra iirc) and see, but in a large bit, themes are really artistic in nature and thus they might disagree

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iamlindoro:

pete27, the author of the theme has noted on a few occasions that he is satisfied with the contrast/color choices on his display, so I think it's fair to say that it's a sensitive point with him and that he's probably not interested in changing it

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sphery:

and, unlike many in today's society, IANAT

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kormoc:

there ya go

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mchou:

sphery: [17:35:49] <mchou> do I have to "pay" to get a list of names and dates of all US presidents terms in office?

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mchou:

sphery: stop dodging the question

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wagnerrp:

if you want to get it in printed book form, the publisher has every right to charge

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sphery:

mchou: easily obtained factual data, not a compilation such that the mere colleciton of the data adds value

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iamlindoro:

mchou, Again, I consider your argument that downloading listings in violation of terms of use and violation of TMS copyright an infringement of channel rules

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pete27:

I hear you guys, but come on, have yo usued this?

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iamlindoro:

please drop it or you'll be leaving

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mchou:

sphery: since iamlindoro equated that to "stealing"

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sphery:

mchou: so, no, you don't have to pay for a list of US presidents

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sphery:

mchou: you /do/ have to pay for any copyrighted work (or at least obtain sufficient license to use said work)

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iamlindoro:

pete27, Yes-- speaking only for myself, the contrast is fine on my displays

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sphery:

mchou: in other words, your example is not similar enough to disprove his point

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pete27:

Oh well, i'm using a 1080p projector, so I guess my contrast isn't as good as most people's. But black text for selected and white for inactive!!! Its maddening.

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mchou:

sphery: so aside from program descriptions, and base on my example of US presidents, times of dates of when a particular show airs, do I have to "pay" for it?

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pete27:

Anyway, I'm just worried I'll forget i changed it and install an update and then be angry i didn't save the theme or contribute it to the community

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iamlindoro:

mchou, last warning

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iamlindoro:

conversation over

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sphery:

mchou: there is value added by the mere compilation of those hard-to-obtain facts

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sphery:

so, yes, it is copyrightable

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wagnerrp:

if you want free, be happy with your marginal EIT data

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mchou:

iamlindoro: if you cant deal with the facts, just end the discussion

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iamlindoro:

I am ending it. Continue it and face consequences. Can't say I haven't warned you adequately.

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mchou:

wagnerrp: oh, that brings up another point

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sphery:

mchou: you can freely discuss when a particular program airs or its title or subtitle--as those are facts--but the compilation of all of the info that makes up your listings data is copyrightable--even if it is mostly factual data

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mchou:

do I have to pay for "eit" data?

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wagnerrp:

no, because the owner of the data is freely broadcasting it

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sphery:

mchou: you're licensed to use it under the same license you receive your broadcast

[01:46:52]

mchou:

either directly or by taxation?

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sphery:

it = EIT

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mchou:

sphery: lol

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mchou:

it's the broadcasters who are subjects to licences

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iamlindoro:

enough

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iamlindoro:

sick of the bad behavior, and I've given enough warnings over enough days/weeks/months

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

he had plenty of warning

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Brad-D:

that was like watching a train wreck

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Brad-D:

in slow motion

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swerve:

after upgrade to 0.22 lost some key functions

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Brad-D:

haha

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swerve:

rt arrow key in recordings screen used to bring up a menu – now it doesn't

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wagnerrp:

swerve: its a side effect of the new UI engine

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wagnerrp:

now that lists do not have to be vertical

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swerve:

can i reset in the keybindings optoins?

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wagnerrp:

defining such a function to the right arrow key would be limiting

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swerve:

wait... "i" key now seems to do it

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swerve:

okay – I thought the function was totally gone

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swerve:

wagnerrp: limiting? how so

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wagnerrp:

if you have a horizontal list

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wagnerrp:

having an action bound to the right arrow would mean you could not scroll through it

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swerve:

but what if you don't? :P

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swerve:

also – any way to reorder the options on main page?

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swerve:

main screen*

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wagnerrp:

yes, there are multiple 'menu themes' available for selection in the settings

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wagnerrp:

or you can edit your own

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swerve:

i don't see any edit options anywhere – can only change to premade menu schemes

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wagnerrp:

you have to exit the menu xml directly if you want to change it beyond the defaults

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swerve:

where does that file live?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in the mythtv shared folder

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swerve:

linux machine btw

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swerve:

home folder?

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wagnerrp:

shared folder

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wagnerrp:

{PREFIX}/share/mythtv

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swerve:

thx wagnerrp, found it

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swerve:

mythtv just gets more unbelievably awesome all the time

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swerve:

i can't believe how many configuration options there are for just about *everything*

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the problem with that is it gets more and more complex too :)

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Beirdo:

but more options is cooool

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swerve:

i sometimes wish there weren't so many nested menus – gets hard to remember where settings are

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swerve:

but otherwise – wow

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Beirdo:

yeah, that is a disadvantage to having SO many options to be sure

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wagnerrp:

for better or worse, theres been a push to drop as many options as possible

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Beirdo:

well, I hope we don't lose useful functionality in the process

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wagnerrp:

well that would be the worse

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Beirdo:

only useless functionality :)

[02:19:32]

wagnerrp:

well, useful as deemed by the devs at the time

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Beirdo:

it's a fine line between configurability and maintainability

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wagnerrp:

which causes consternation among the less contributing users

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Beirdo:

well, that is understandable, but not "smart" in some ways...

[02:20:26]

Beirdo:

but yeah, if nobody steps up to take care of a feature...

[02:20:48]

Beirdo:

and devs aren't being PAID to maintain it...

[02:21:08]

Beirdo:

so yeah

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Beirdo:

is there a list of "disappearing" features so people can step up and take ownership?

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swerve:

not a programmer, but some functions seem maybe redundant

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andreax:

After testing latest svn (from a couple of hours ago) i lost all entries in the playback groups (like video renderer, osd-renderer and deinterlacer). I got that just on my remote frontend since some days now and cant find a reason why. Any ideas?

[02:22:38]

wagnerrp:

there was a ML thread a couple months ago about removal of options

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wagnerrp:

trying to find it

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Beirdo:

K. Should we make a wiki page?

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Beirdo:

call the page ChoppingBlock :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

i believe there was a wiki page made to go along with it

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Beirdo:

cool

[02:24:34]

Beirdo:

dangit.

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Beirdo:

kormoc's off.

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Beirdo:

wanted to ask him something about the perl binding bugs.

[02:25:50]

wagnerrp:

here we go... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405622

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sphery:

Beirdo: I think the main problem with the settings is testing changes. You fix one bug, but test it with one configuration and find out later that you just broke something else when some random setting you've never heard of is enabled

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the perl bindings are somewhat in search of a maintainer

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sphery:

it's not so much that it takes effort to maintain the settings or the if statement that uses the value--just that when you have 12 different configurations possible, testing changes with all 12 is a /lot/ of work

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wagnerrp:

luckily the possible configurations of the python stuff is rather limited

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wagnerrp:

i get it working with RDV's stuff, and theres 98% of the user base right there

[02:29:15]

wagnerrp:

heres another one! http://mythtv.org/wiki/SoC2006#Settings_Rework.2FEnhancements

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sphery:

heh, yeah, poor guy never had a chance

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sphery:

the lists killed his project

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sphery:

after all, people who had no idea what settings did were making decisions about how useful they were

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wagnerrp:

man... did any of that stuff succeed?

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Beirdo:

sorry, I was reading backlog

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wagnerrp:

mythexport is the name of something shipped with mythbuntu, but i dont know if thats related

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wagnerrp:

the windows port now finally works halfway decently within the last several months

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: for the perl bindings, I think between myself and kormoc and xris (assuming they are willing) we can get it maintained

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sphery:

Beirdo: it would be /really/ nice to get it up to snuff with the Python bindings

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: well sphery has actually been looking for someone to get it rewritten

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Beirdo:

sphery: very good point.

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wagnerrp:

rather than just maintained

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sphery:

(i.e. make it higher level hooks)

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sphery:

right now it's all very low-level stuff

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Beirdo:

well, I'll talk to them :)

[02:33:09]

Beirdo:

nuvexport (IMHO) should use the perl bindings

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Beirdo:

which will take some rework

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

it was made before the perl bindings--IIRC, the perl bindings came about when xr is took a bunch of the code from them and put it in a reusable lib

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Beirdo:

WAY before the bindings

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sphery:

s/them/nuvexport/

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and yes, the bindings seem to be based on nuvexport internals that I remember from 4 years back

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Beirdo:

fun times

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wagnerrp:

that does explain why it has code to pull video properties from midentify

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wagnerrp:

i never did understand why that was in there

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Beirdo:

because it was necessary in nuvexport from antiquity

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Beirdo:

is that possible to pull from the backend?

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wagnerrp:

not at current

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Beirdo:

although, I *personally* like that nuvexport will run without the backend... but I can be convinced otherwise

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

you can pull some information from the database tables

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wagnerrp:

but there is no ability to run arbitrary commands on the backend

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Beirdo:

well, if we can work on getting all the required metadata available, we could sure clean that up a lot

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wagnerrp:

(for the better)

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Beirdo:

obviously NOT for the upcoming release :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but future

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Beirdo:

hmmm.

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Beirdo:

display live preview of recordings... there SHOULD be an override on that

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Beirdo:

IMHO

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Beirdo:

i.e. permanent disable.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i wonder if the use of quotes around 'owns' on the mailing list means hes running a pirated version of windows MCE

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Beirdo:

that can be a compile option rather than online configuration though

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sphery:

wagnerrp: good question

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: that capability doesnt even exist to make it an option

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but, from my reading, if he doesn't agree to the EULA for MS MCE, he can steal it legally

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Beirdo:

oh? It used to

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not currently support the live preview of recordings

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so it's already permanently disabled :)

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wagnerrp:

its a 'widget' not yet written for the new interface code

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

when it comes back, it would be good to allow people to disable it if they are low on CPU

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Beirdo:

compile-time works though :)

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wagnerrp:

if theyre on a low CPU, they can use a lightweight theme that doesnt do live preview

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Beirdo:

true

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wagnerrp:

or they can edit a theme to their own desires

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Beirdo:

but let's make sure we have some. :)

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wagnerrp:

there are currently some themes that use fanart, and others that dont

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Beirdo:

I'm kinda opposed to assuming everyone has mondo CPU :)

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Beirdo:

some will, some won't

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wagnerrp:

i dont see what the problem with live preview is anyway

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Beirdo:

and with little settop boxes...

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wagnerrp:

if you have the power to play it, you have the power to preview it

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wagnerrp:

and if you dont have the power to play it, time to toss that box in the garbage

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Beirdo:

it used to seriously lag my box

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Beirdo:

that's not the right answer :)

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Beirdo:

not everyone has limitless money :)

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wagnerrp:

why record something if you cant play it?

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

to convert it?

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

but yeah, that's not the primary purpose of myth for sure

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wagnerrp:

then its converted, and the video is now of some format you have the power to preview

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Beirdo:

with GPU acceleration available, it's likely not to be an issue anyways

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Beirdo:

never mind :)

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wagnerrp:

basically, if you want to have frontends incapable of playing some of your content

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wagnerrp:

set up recording groups

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wagnerrp:

and filter with such

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I am being convinced :)

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wagnerrp:

or perhaps have the backend do some cursory benchmark on the video during recording, or maybe during commflag

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wagnerrp:

and have a 'performance' value tabulated for the recording

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wagnerrp:

if that frontend doesnt match the performance requirement, dont display it

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fryfrog:

would bitrate not be a good value ?

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fryfrog:

to look at?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that would be nice

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wagnerrp:

it would have to be a combination of bitrate, codec, and a slew of other encoding options

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fryfrog:

ah, that is true

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wagnerrp:

for instance, theres a huge difference between CABAC and CAVLC in h264

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Beirdo:

"this video requires X bogomips".. or something like that

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and yes, I know bogomips ain't the real thing to use

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wagnerrp:

instructions per fortnight

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

bigger numbers, make people feel better about their marginal hardware

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

trillion instructions per fortnight?

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fryfrog:

should use the same scale that win7 uses

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fryfrog:

where you can't get a 7 or what ever it is

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fryfrog:

just 6.9

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wagnerrp:

no, thats a horrible scale

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Beirdo:

what's that? rand() * 7

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fryfrog:

i know, so horrible :p

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wagnerrp:

what? you dont have a hard drive? 0.0

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fryfrog:

it is like 1–8 or 1–7

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fryfrog:

and ... yeah, such a funny rating :p

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: although bogo wouldnt be a bad basis to try... where does that come from?

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Beirdo:

anyways, we'll see when the feature is possibly available again.

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wagnerrp:

is that cursory test the kernel does on boot?

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Beirdo:

yep

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: and is in /proc/cpuinfo

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wagnerrp:

i know

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fryfrog:

ah

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Beirdo:

there's code available to calculate it

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Beirdo:

it's essentially a tight counting loop, or something like that

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Beirdo:

but if somehow we can determine approximate bogomips requirements based on bitrate, codec parameters, etc... that could be useful

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Beirdo:

'computational complexity'

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Beirdo:

there, have some big words to make it sound cooler than it is

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: better to just have the commflagger measure what is needed directly

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wagnerrp:

since those values are going to change from ffmpeg sync to sync

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Beirdo:

true

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wagnerrp:

oh look, the would-be lawyer is now claiming there are no consequences about violating what is effectively a contract

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I really need to resubscribe.

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Beirdo:

I need my daily aggravation and entertainment at others' expense

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Beirdo:

done :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I have no idea what he means by, "I'm not a party to it so what does it matter?

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sphery:

I guess he's saying that because he didn't agree to the EULA for MCE, he's not obliged to abide by the ToS for the EPG.

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sphery:

which is completely lacking in anything resembling logic, IMHO

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sphery:

as the EPG is part of MCE

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sphery:

so if he's using the EPG, he must do so under its EULA

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cecil:

such crap logic

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janneg:

yes, ffmpeg's h264 decoder got already over 20% faster this year

[03:30:11]

kormoc:

I sorta think the thread needs to die no matter what

[03:30:30]

sphery:

yeah, I'm done with it

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cecil:

he (and others) obviously have no idea of MythTV's past in reguard to programming data nor do they appreciate the hard work that went into creating Schedules Direct

[03:30:40]

sphery:

probably should have stopped earlier

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kormoc:

well, it should be stated that as a official myth mailing list, we don't condone ToS Violations in any form and thus talk about the issue is not allowed

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Beirdo:

janneg: In the future (not for this release?) I'd like to chat with you about adding a few more checks to ./configure

[03:34:28]

Beirdo:

I seem to remember it's partially your baby?

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Beirdo:

or am I on crack :)

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kormoc:

they're not exclusive :P

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high-rez:

I thouht he leased the configure script from RMS.

[03:35:06]

high-rez:

s/thouht/thought

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Beirdo:

kormoc: true daty

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Beirdo:

dat

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Beirdo:

stupid fingers

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sphery:

Beirdo: you're not on crack (at least, he is the one to ask about configure)

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janneg:

Beirdo: well it's mostly the ffmpeg configure script

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high-rez:

Is it possible to specify a different location for generated thumbnails then the files they were generated from? E.g. if you have a really large FS allocsize for your recordings, thumbnails can start to be a problem.

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: no they cant

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean the special XFS pre-allocate stuff?

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wagnerrp:

(i thought you were talking about block size)

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high-rez:

Right, xfs pre-allocate stuff

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high-rez:

e.g. mounted with allocsize=128m

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high-rez:

A small jpeg thumbnail will eat 128megs.

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high-rez:

As I understand it.

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wagnerrp:

not quite

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wagnerrp:

it just means that as long as that file is open, no other file will touch the 128MB behind it

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high-rez:

Will it just try to allocate 128m continuous – but if its not all used allow other stuff to fill it in ?

[03:44:06]

high-rez:

I see.

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wagnerrp:

correct, after you close the file, you can do whatever you want with the remaining space

[03:44:21]

high-rez:

Ok, so its not quite the problem I thought it was.

[03:44:29]

wagnerrp:

i thought you were talking about block size

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wagnerrp:

where the file actually will consume that much space

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high-rez:

Nah, just trying to get as much out of my filesystem as I can.

[03:45:15]

high-rez:

I'm recording a ton a day.

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wagnerrp:

that pre-allocate stuff is only useful if you record multiple things simultaneously to a single disk

[03:47:41]

high-rez:

I do.

[03:48:04]

high-rez:

:)

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high-rez:

Just having 'a few' favorite shows and multiple tuners can lead to massive recording simultaneous recording action.

[03:49:00]

kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

whoever did the wiki thing for "Optimizing XFS on RAID Arrays" missed a very important part that everyone seems to miss

[03:49:37]

high-rez:

kormoc: What's that?

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** high-rez probably missed it **

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high-rez:

If it wasn't on the wiki :)

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kormoc:

setting your block size to the same as the chunk/stripe size only helps if your filesystem starts exactly on a stripe boundary

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Beirdo:

janneg: sorry, I was off squashing a nuvexport bug...

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Beirdo:

OK, the issues are: it says it is missing qmake4... then you install qt4 (older than 4.4), and it complains you need qt4.4 or newer

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Beirdo:

the qmake4 one should indicate it needs qt4.4 or greater so fools like me don't end up installing twice :)

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Beirdo:

the other is that libasound2-dev (ubuntu package naming) has a minimum version requirement

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Beirdo:

and it's not being checked

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janneg:

wagnerrp: which fs has 128m blocksize? finding a linux fs with blocksize != 4k is hard

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wagnerrp:

janneg: i thought he was talking about blocksize, not pre-allocation

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wagnerrp:

in which case, mythtv would not be generating enough files for a large blocksize to be an issue

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janneg:

Beirdo: feel free to add the min required qt version

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bonelifer:

Wish I had known about the Antec Fusion Remote MAX. I would of got it. Man that a tight fit with the ASUS GT-220 right by the Haupauge PVR-500. I can't put the 500 i the other PCI slot because it keeps the ATX12V from getting to the powersupply.

[03:55:51]

janneg:

you have a svn account, right?

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Beirdo:

janneg: OK. It's a text fix

[03:55:57]

Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

checking for the ALSA min version will be trickier

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janneg:

ccheck for the required feature

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Beirdo:

yeah. I'll look into it, but I didn't want to tread on toes :)

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janneg:

I assume compilation fails because the header misses a function/define

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

most newish distros have new enough versions... but it is a requirement nonetheless

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janneg:

if you pastebin the error I'll fix it tomorrow

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Beirdo:

sure

[03:58:54]

Beirdo:

oh...hehe

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Beirdo:

it is on my computer an hour from here... I'll dig it out though, one moment

[04:00:00]

Beirdo:

SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE is the one missing

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Beirdo:

1.0.15 doesn't have it. 1.0.17a does

[04:00:39]

Beirdo:

not sure about 1.0.16

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Beirdo:

janneg: http://pastebin.ca/1812918 (just so you have it somewhere you can bring it up in a browser for later)

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Stevieman:

I ran mythtranscode on a recording and it grew from 1.1 to 1.3 gigs. I assume this is because I set the quality for the auto transcode to high when I setup the recording. Is there a way to change it to a lower quality and re-run the transcode?

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sphery:

Beirdo: SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE is probably the important part of alsalib (which was required by some new audio changes in mid-Oct last year). It was added in alsalib 1.0.16rc1 (from Jan 22, 2008)

[04:06:19]

Beirdo:

perfect

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sphery:

TTBOMK, that's the current requirement

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Beirdo:

that check needs to be in configure if ALSA's enabled :)

[04:06:50]

sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

added your comment to the pastebin post :)

[04:08:26]

sphery:

heh, just finished reading scrollback and you already knew what was missing

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sphery:

Beirdo: btw, note that edited pastebin posts get new links (don't change the originals)

[04:09:49]

Beirdo:

http://pastebin.ca/1812923

[04:09:54]

Beirdo:

you're right

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:10:17]

Beirdo:

but the version number requirement is helpful

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janneg:

that looks like a flag, adding a #ifndef x #define x 0 might be better since it doesn't forces libasound updates

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Beirdo:

I hadn't had the time to get to the precise version

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sphery:

janneg: think this is the change that up'ed the alsalib version: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22432

[04:11:46]

Beirdo:

janneg: possibly. Not sure how that would affect the functionality

[04:12:04]

janneg:

if that doesn't break audio output

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sphery:

it's just or'ed with some other flags

[04:12:24]

sphery:

I don't think it would break things

[04:12:32]

sphery:

jya would be the best person to ask

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high-rez:

Where does myth get the .mythtv/channels pngs from? Is there a way to browse the list?

[04:12:50]

sphery:

high-rez: lyngsat

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high-rez:

Wow, that's brilliant.

[04:13:21]

high-rez:

Saves some bandwidth :)

[04:13:42]

high-rez:

Does it use imagemagick to resize the 50x50 versions?

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sphery:

high-rez: they have high-resolution versions where some have transparency, so manually downloading them has benefits over using the scripts/mythtv-setup thing

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sphery:

you get the small/opaque versions from the scripts

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high-rez:

Totally. Its a lot of manual updating to do – but would be worth it.

[04:17:14]

jya:

removing the upsampler would be a difficult task ; even if conditional

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jya:

I'll look into it

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jya:

but which distrib still uses something < 1.0.16 ?

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sphery:

so if we opened the device without the SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE flag, it would be a problem?

[04:18:25]

sphery:

like: <+janneg> that looks like a flag, adding a #ifndef x #define x 0 might be better since it doesn't forces libasound updates

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Beirdo:

jya: ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS

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Beirdo:

I forklift-upgraded the lib to 1.0.17a

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high-rez:

sphery: It appears the lyngsat versions are all jpeg. Do I need to convert them to png – or will myth be happy either way ?

[04:20:26]

Beirdo:

I think the *nice* way is to check in configure, and abort if you try with an old version :)

[04:20:26]

sphery:

nice... lyngsat just crashed my firefox

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Beirdo:

no need to remove features if it will break stuff

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high-rez:

Err, i guess tons of em are jpg, nm :)

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sphery:

high-rez: I think the jpg works, but I think they also have png's

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sphery:

I'm pretty certain the high-resolution ones with transparency are png's

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high-rez:

Ahh

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Beirdo:

welcome back

[04:29:08]

Stevieman:

crazy connection

[04:31:19]

Stevieman:

any thoughts on my mythtranscode problem?

[04:35:05]

wagnerrp:

where are these recordings from?

[04:36:43]

Stevieman:

I setup the recordings using mythweb and set the auto transcode in the web interface.

[04:37:00]

wagnerrp:

where are the recordings from?

[04:37:12]

wagnerrp:

framegrabber? mpeg encoder? digital tuner? hdpvr?

[04:37:13]

Stevieman:

From my cable connection

[04:37:17]

Stevieman:

mpeg encoder

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Stevieman:

sorry hockey is on

[04:37:36]

Stevieman:

PVR-150 card to be exact

[04:37:56]

Stevieman:

Team canada is falling apart right no

[04:37:57]

Stevieman:

now

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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wagnerrp:

so this is a half hour recording, with a bit of padding?

[04:38:39]

Beirdo:

we won 2 gold medals for speed skating tonight

[04:38:45]

Stevieman:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean 'we'?

[04:38:57]

Beirdo:

Canada

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Beirdo:

:)

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Stevieman:

Right, I saw the men's clip

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wagnerrp:

you're a US territory

[04:39:04]

wagnerrp:

why do you have your own team

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Beirdo:

I'm still a Canadian citizen

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kormoc:

George Bush hates Territories

[04:39:27]

Beirdo:

and Puerto Rico DOES go to the Olympics separately

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Stevieman:

I'm sure I picked the wrong transcode level as some of them shrunk quite nicely.

[04:40:39]

Stevieman:

I thought for a moment the Leafs were playing in the Olympics

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kormoc:

I fail to understand how the Canadian Hockey team could fall apart, it's all you guys do I swear...

[04:41:12]

Beirdo:

nah

[04:41:17]

Beirdo:

we drink beer too

[04:41:25]

Stevieman:

Slovakia seems to want the win more right now

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kormoc:

well, the two are tied together :P

[04:41:34]

wagnerrp:

Stevieman: anyway, youre transcoding from the default IVTV bitrate of 4400kbps

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wagnerrp:

to something greater than that

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Beirdo:

YAY

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kormoc:

Walk into any Canadian bar on hockey night and you can't not see that

[04:41:54]

Beirdo:

Canada + USA for Gold

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Beirdo:

don't screw up again.. thanks

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Stevieman:

So very lucky tonight

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wagnerrp:

youre probably using RTjpeg

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kormoc:

We'll never let you live it down if you lose

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wagnerrp:

which is actually going to result in lower compression than the stock recordings

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, well. the women hockey team proved it too :)

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wagnerrp:

you want to use mpeg4

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wagnerrp:

although you probably dont want to use either of those

[04:43:14]

wagnerrp:

you probably want to use lossless transcoding to just clip commercials

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: yah, the problem is how do I change the setting?

[04:43:24]

wagnerrp:

or use nuvexport so you dont end up with nuvs

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wagnerrp:

setup --> tv settings --> recording profiles --> transcoders

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Beirdo:

Stevieman: was it you that was having nuvexport issues with transcode?

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: my nuvexport equires a update via SVN and the last time I did an update via SVN I killed my system

[04:44:20]

Stevieman:

Yes it was

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Beirdo:

yeah.

[04:44:39]

Beirdo:

you SHOULD be able to svn update only nuvexport, I think

[04:44:57]

Beirdo:

or you can wait the (hopefully short) time until release :)

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Stevieman:

I am a bit leary about updating anything using SVN, Ive got most things working nicely right now :)

[04:45:34]

fryfrog:

is a new version of myth due soon?

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Beirdo:

I can understand that

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Beirdo:

here's hoping.

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fryfrog:

or did you mean a new release of nuvexport?

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Stevieman:

Is it possible to have nuvexport transcode automatically?

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Beirdo:

Stevieman: not at this time, no

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fryfrog:

a point release or a major release?

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Beirdo:

as far as I remember :)

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Beirdo:

fryfrog: not sure the details

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fryfrog:

ah

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Stevieman:

bah, that's no good

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fryfrog:

i dream of using mythtv again :)

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Beirdo:

I do know we aren't supposed to be adding new features

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: feature freeze has been in effect for coming up on two weeks

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Stevieman:

ooo Gold in the 5000M mens relay for canada too

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Beirdo:

so... that's some indication of impending release often

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wagnerrp:

RC should be out shortly

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: neato :)

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Beirdo:

I ain't gonna guess as to dates.

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Stevieman:

RC's are evil ;)

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fryfrog:

the wife would probably love to have real live tv again :)

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wagnerrp:

evil you say?

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

heh....

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Beirdo:

evil is requiring all users to use SVN

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Stevieman:

yah the last RC I used had sync issues, reinstalled to 9.10(?maybe) and the sync issue went away

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Beirdo:

be thankful that's not happening

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wagnerrp:

'thank you olympics, for being the first broadcast event to top American Idol in the ratings in the last fsix years'

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was a good one, wagnerrp :)

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Stevieman:

boo to you Olympics for making American Idol the only new TV on TV for the last 2 weeks :)

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wagnerrp:

oh come on... just boo American Idol directly

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Beirdo:

boo American Idol for making the only new music formulaic crap

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wagnerrp:

there you go

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wagnerrp:

keep 'em coming

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: yah your right... Stupic American Idol, atleast canada had the sense to cancel Canadian Idol years ago

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Beirdo:

Yay!

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Beirdo:

CANCON++

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

those silly rules have definitely shaped my musical tastes

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wagnerrp:

what rules are those?

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Stevieman:

wagnerrp: ok I tweaked the transcoders, how does myth know which one to use when I click the transcode button in mythweb (which is the only place I know where to start a trancode job)

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wagnerrp:

it clicks the one defined in the recording rule

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Stevieman:

1/3rd of canadian radio must be Cnadian Content

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wagnerrp:

or if you call it from the frontend, you can choose the transcode profile to use

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Stevieman:

how do I call it from the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

job options from the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

or... what version of mythtv are you running?

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Stevieman:

9.10 I think

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wagnerrp:

...

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fryfrog:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

must be one of those future types

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wagnerrp:

were still on 0.22 back here in 2010

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Stevieman:

son of a.... .22 sorry

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wagnerrp:

in that case, job options are in the 'i' menu

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wagnerrp:

in the 'watch recordings' screen

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Stevieman:

cool, found it thanks

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Stevieman:

hey whats with the little yellow tombstone?

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wagnerrp:

its allowed to expire

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wagnerrp:

meaning when you run out of disk space, mythtv will automatically delete it to allow for new recordings

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Beirdo:

it's dead, Jim :)

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Stevieman:

I like that :)

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Stevieman:

So can I get mythtranscode to run atomatically or do I have to trigger it manually?

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Stevieman:

well I gotta run, thanks for all the help

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bonelifer:

we're now cooking oil. Booting off the MythBuntu 9.10 CD. This is after looking around the BIOS.

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bonelifer:

If anyone in here is a Myth dev. I salute you. :)

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jya:

Beirdo: Ubuntu 8.04 doesn't ship with QT4 ; so you won't even be able to compile mythtv 0.22 on it ... So here, not having the right version of ALSA is the least of your concern...

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Beirdo:

yes it does

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Beirdo:

QT4.3 to be exact

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Beirdo:

and the -backports has 4.4

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Beirdo:

I compiled svn trunk on it last night

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Beirdo:

and that's beside the point

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Beirdo:

if the code requires a certain version minimum, configure should be verifying the system has it

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vhann:

Hi, I have a server with a PVR-500 in it. I just plugged in a PVR-150 to be able to record 2 streams at once, but when I play the 2 at the same time (mplayer /dev/video0 + mplayer /dev/video1), the picture is choppy on one. Is this normal?

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fryfrog:

vhann: doesn't a pvr500 have 2 cards on it?

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fryfrog:

so pvr500 + pvr150 == 3 streams?

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fryfrog:

also, is your cpu usage high? i don't imagine playing 2 SD mpeg streams would be very taxing on any modern system but i could be wrong

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wagnerrp:

any halfway modern system should be able to play 2 streams off a PVR-150

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Traveler6:

I dont think there is a 2nd overlay on most display cards

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wagnerrp:

although you may have some limitation with Xv only supporting one output at a time

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Traveler6:

so the second stream by definition would be rendering on a slow dsplay surface

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Traveler6:

display*

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vhann:

fryfrog: Yeah, but I haven't bought the extension for the PVR-500 yet

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vhann:

(just read your answers guys, sorry for the delay ^^)

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vhann:

I am wondering: how do you computer the required bandwidth for a given video standard (say like 480i)?

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vhann:

I streamed one from my server to my laptop via wireless and saw in the router that the load was around 20kbps, does that sound realistic?

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Lycan^:

have just switched from a 30 inch screen to a 46 inch one....but the problem is the osd fonts are way too big even though i have set to to small. is there something im not doing right?

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fryfrog:

i think you can pick the font size for the OSD

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fryfrog:

to slow

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messerting:

Hi, I've just defined a Jump point to go back to the main menu. It works if I'm in the menu, but not if I'm watching livetv. Any idea why..?

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messerting:

I found this, http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /200616.html

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jya:

Beirdo: done.. Configure checks for ALSA >= 1.0.16

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jarle:

Is there some way to only scan dvb-s2 channels? in mythtv-setup when scanning dvb-s2 I seem to get both dvb-s and dvb-s2 channels...

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swaffelkoning:

Can anyone confirm. Is support for saa7134 tv cards broken in mythbuntu 9.10

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_abbenormal:

my tt-3200 worked in mythubuntu-9.1.0 but onl;y tested the dvb-s side only

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_abbenormal:

did not have a dvb-s2 signal to test on

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swaffelkoning:

i have dvb-t hybrid cards

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swaffelkoning:

have no unencypted dvb-t signal here to test with

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swaffelkoning:

only want analog tv funtion to work

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swaffelkoning:

have 2 x Compro DVB-T 300 cards

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swaffelkoning:

so far can see tv in tvtime and xawtv but no sound

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swaffelkoning:

nothing at all in mythtv

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janneg:

jya: bah, I haven't looked correctly, your check should have be fine wrt cross-compiling but a 30 line c program in configure is ugly if avoidable

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jya:

I re-used the test code of the ALSA configure

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jya:

simplified a fair bit though to reuse all the existing configure routines

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Brad-D:

morning iamlindoro

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Beirdo:

Good morning, all

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Dudesky1:

ok I didn't find anything quite like my problem so here goes I have a 8400GS and a G210 I have tried both I cannot get sound to work via built in audio card on the motherboard running mythbuntu 9.10 if I put a 7 series card in the machine it works instantly all upgrade are installed I even tried latest alsa from source

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Dudesky1:

I can post my xorg.conf if needed

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Dudesky1:

motherboard is a nforce4 with 1 gig of ram

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Beirdo:

you sure it isn't using the sound built-in to the video card?

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Beirdo:

I think some of the newer ones have integrated sound for HDMI output

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Dudesky1:

well I tried configuring that and it failed also

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russk:

Anyone familiar with mytharchive know a workaround for this: File "/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/scripts/mythburn.py", line 935, in expandItemText

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russk:

if getText( infoDOM.getElementsByTagName("coverfile")[0]) =="":

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russk:

IndexError: list index out of range

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Dudesky1:

I followed the wiki from xbmc

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Dudesky1:

does anyone have audio working through hdmi and a g210 card using mythbuntu 9.10

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Dudesky1:

I have it plugged into the TV no amp

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Dudesky1:

aplay -l displays card 0: CK804 [NVidia CK804], device 0: Intel ICH [NVidia CK804]

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Dudesky1:

Subdevices: 1/1

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Dudesky1:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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Dudesky1:

card 0: CK804 [NVidia CK804], device 2: Intel ICH – IEC958 [NVidia CK804 – IEC958]

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

I was just giving ideas :)

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Dudesky1:

thanks

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Dudesky1:

no worries

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Dudesky1:

and I agree

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jya:

janneg: the code I put in configure, was working with cross-compilers.. it only tested the version number in the header files

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ThisOtherGuy:

hi all

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ThisOtherGuy:

Can anyone help me with a jamu error: http://pastebin.com/ziHaReSc

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: I think this is the second time I have sen this error. It seems that in a very few cases the IMDBpy library returns invalid data. It is returning a list of possible movie matches but the data has no IMDB#.

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RDV_Linux:

s/sen/seen/

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ThisOtherGuy:

thanks RDV – does that mean just retry and it might work?

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janneg:

jya: yes, I haven't looked closely first

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: The issue will pass when the scheduled/recorded program is has been removed. I guess I will need to trap that situation and skip the match attempt. This is unlikely to be work on a retry.

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jya:

janneg: testing for the actual version of alsa will be required soon ; as the 32 bits audio support code I plan to add relies on more than just having the resampling API

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Are you running trunk or 0.22_fixes?

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ThisOtherGuy:

bummer – I'm running trunk – lemme check from when

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janneg:

jya: tell which version/feature you need and if it is too recent please make it optional

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ThisOtherGuy:

23566

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jya:

1.0.16 should do

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: When is unlikely to matter. I think this issue is in both trunk and 0.22 anyways.

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: The first time I saw this which I cannot reproduce myself as it is dependant on the specific movie I gave the person a patch to try but the never replied.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: it looks like a Movie that I'm not gonna watch for a while, is it just a matter of adding a: if movie.has_key(u'imdb')

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: That will fix it in your case but sometimes other data is missing. I think there are two places to fix, one for MythVideo and one for the Watch Recordings.

[15:19:39]

ThisOtherGuy:

I'd be happy to try out a patch if you have one

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: thanks I am working on one now but to not know when I will be done.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: k – thanks for the heads up, my ignorant if let me continue but I have no idea what kind of side effects it will have

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: As I look into this I think my first analysis is all wet, This may be trunk specific and due to the change over from IMDB#s to TMDB#. Just change the line that is aborting from using 'imdb' to 'id' and see of it works.

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: k – running now

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: If you at all the other code in the previous few lines they only use "movie[u'id']" and NOT "movie[u'imdb']"

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Thanks for finding this bug it is not one-in-a-million but close;)

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: yup! – looks like that worked – thanks!

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ThisOtherGuy:

RDV_Linux: nw – I think it found me :-)

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RDV_Linux:

ThisOtherGuy: Some days it feels like that;)

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Beirdo:

yay. upgrading everything and its dog to get libqt4-dev and libqt4-opengl

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh, and the opengl support depends on having libqt-opengl-dev... The build-deps for the new release will need revisiting. Not sure who does that for the ubuntu debs

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8040#comment:1 (Qt OpenGL is always required)

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Beirdo:

OK. Fair enough. the old dependencies in the deb setup don't include it

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Beirdo:

we gotta make sure it makes it into the new deb setup :)

[16:19:23]

Beirdo:

but something to worry about when release comes upon us

[16:19:31]

Beirdo:

not to worry :)

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sphery:

I'm not sure what danielk meant about, "It is only disabled if you do not have OpenGL installed," but would assume that would mean on a system with no Mesa and no X GL support at all, it may not require it.

[16:19:59]

Beirdo:

could be

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sphery:

I've never used such a system, so I can't say for sure. :)

[16:20:09]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:20:28]

Beirdo:

I think even my Linode needed it (no video card at all)

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sphery:

the "You can steal TV listings from Microsoft's MCE if you don't agree with the ToS" thread needs to die

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Beirdo:

it's a convenient always-on build platform, not that I ever intend to RUN myth on a linode :)

[16:21:02]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

You can steal nothing with approval... thanks

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Beirdo:

with mythtv dev approval that is

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sphery:

agreed

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Beirdo:

they can self-approve all they want

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Beirdo:

that's not our problem :)

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sphery:

but they really shouldn't tell others on the list to do so

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Guierrmo:

I have an HDHomerun and HDPVR hooked to the same cable source, one via qam and one via a digital box. Is there a way to use one Schedulkes Direct source forth both devices?

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Beirdo:

for sure, sphery.

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sphery:

especially a guy who claims to be about to pass the Bar

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Beirdo:

yeah, we should forward his emails to Microsoft... he can have his first case all lined up for him

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sphery:

Guierrmo: You can use the same Schedules Direct lineup (from the Schedules Direct website) on both, but you *must* have 2 different MythTV Video Sources.

[16:24:07]

sphery:

Guierrmo: just create 2 different video sources that both use the same username/password, and lineup

[16:24:29]

Guierrmo:

hmm, didn't know you could do that. good to know.

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sphery:

Guierrmo: you *must* scan for the HDHomeRun, you *can not* scan for the HD-PVR

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** Beirdo breaks down and installs python on his windows laptop **

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Guierrmo:

Thanks!

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sphery:

so the best way to do it is, a) change the SD lineup to include only the channels available through the HD-PVR, b) create the video source for the HD-PVR to point to that lineup, c) connect the input for the HD-PVR and run mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels to add channels to the HD-PVR source, d) edit the lineup at SD to include the HDHR channels, e) create the HDHR video source, f) connect the inputs for the HDHR ...

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sphery:

... and scan for channels using the HDHR

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sphery:

Guierrmo: ^^^

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Guierrmo:

is sctescan viable?

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sphery:

this is why changing MythTV to call "Video Sources" by the name "Listings Sources" is just plain wrong

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Beirdo:

some dillhole here at Starbucks is playing YouTube videos and is drowning out the nice be-bop jazz music

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sphery:

Guierrmo: if you're using a cable provider who uses SCTE65, then, yeah

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sphery:

Guierrmo: but only for the HDHR

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sphery:

Guierrmo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

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sphery:

Beirdo: don't you wish you could enforce some "Must use headsets" policy

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Beirdo:

yeah, for sure

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Captain_Murdoch:

ping flood

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Beirdo:

the "don't be a putz, nobody else wants to hear your videos" policy

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sphery:

I find it annoying enough when people boot up their Windows boxes and get an extremely loud Windows startup sound in public places. (Granted, Linux distros that do similar aren't any better...)

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Beirdo:

and they (or others) are sucking the bandwidth too

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Beirdo:

my git clone of buildbot is going at 28kbyte/s

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Beirdo:

yeah, keep yer laptop muted or use headphones. thanks

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sphery:

might be able to do DNS cache poisoning to make YouTube address unresolvable. It only has a 300s TTL.

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sphery:

so in 5 minutes max, you could enjoy the nice soft music at the store

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

actually, 5 minutes plus the length of whatever video he's watching :)

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sid3windr:

actually, 5 minutes or the length of the video, whichever is longest :p

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Beirdo:

heh :)

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sphery:

could be plus--if you attack with 300TTL left, then he starts a new video right before the address expires in the local router cache

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Beirdo:

stupid wireless dumped me. Gotta restart the git clone

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Beirdo:

I want to make a buildslave on windows for beirdobot :)

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'm... masocistic

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Beirdo:

missed an h ;)

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sid3windr:

sphery: well, then if the video is >5min his record will have expired too.. :p

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

I see what you meant ;>

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sid3windr:

damn, virtually hurting noise offenders is hard!

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sid3windr:

;)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

not even considering the difficulty of actually doing a good DNS attack

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** sphery considers fixing some MythControls bugs **

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sphery:

(will be one less place for people to directly edit the DB)

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Beirdo:

yay, he went out for a smoke

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and the git clone is done

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sphery:

now you can just edit his hosts file

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sphery:

much easier

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sid3windr:

:D

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sid3windr:

indeed

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Beirdo:

I think a over-sugared latte into the keyboard would be more fun

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sphery:

lol

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sid3windr:

that's vandalism

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sid3windr:

editing hosts is peacekeeping

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sid3windr:

:>

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

or just do route /del

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

and imagine how much more productive the guy will be if he doesn't waste time watching YouTube videos ever again!

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Beirdo:

he could just sell his computer

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sphery:

(he could sit around talking about important things in IRC, instead)

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Beirdo:

block youtube and facebook and the world would be so much more productive

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sphery:

no joke

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Beirdo:

I'm ON facebook, but rarely login anymore

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Beirdo:

it's a black hole

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sphery:

I haven't joined any of the social notworking sites

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Beirdo:

I've found it good for reconnecting with old friends

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sphery:

Yeah, I've heard that. I guess I'm just an anti-social networking guy.

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sid3windr:

s/networking//

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sid3windr:

:>

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sid3windr:

irc is kindof a social network isn't it ;)

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sphery:

it's become much more social of late

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Beirdo:

at a previous job, I was designated the head of the anti-social committee

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

at least in this channel

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sphery:

a couple of months ago, it was just a place to go to get yelled at or humiliated

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Beirdo:

yeah, how sucky

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** sphery thanks Sheriff iamlindoro for cleaning up our town **

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sid3windr:

Beirdo: "YOU TWO! STOP TALKING!" ? :p

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

so, time to get a couple things done, then do some work on MythControls.

[16:46:01]

Beirdo:

more like "cut it out with the weekly stupid social meetings when we have deadlines, thanks!"

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sid3windr:

lol

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Beirdo:

OK, time to head home

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Beirdo:

be back in a bit, I'm sure

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justinh:

ah nuts. bbc trust might be looking to sell off Radio Times :-\

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justinh:

least we'll still have EIT though eh

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Beirdo:

maybe the new owners will be open-source friendly?

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Beirdo:

Radio Times has existed in some form since when? 40s?

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Beirdo:

of course it was magazine only back then. heh

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justinh:

don't think it'll be a case of OSS friendly

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Beirdo:

more of extinc?

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justinh:

it'll come down to money

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Beirdo:

that can still be friendly

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Beirdo:

SD does it.

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Beirdo:

there may be a way :)

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justinh:

I doubt RT will want to get involved

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Beirdo:

possibly not

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Beirdo:

but free of BBC, who knows

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justinh:

everyone's gunning for the BBC & I hhate it

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Beirdo:

well, they ARE a large bureaucratic entity

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Beirdo:

mucho red tape. Of course, it's not like that's all their fault and all

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Beirdo:

same goes for CBC, but at a lesser level

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justinh:

aye well, if the conservatives get into power – which looks likely – the BBC will likely be castrated

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Beirdo:

yikes

[17:43:42]

justinh:

nothing to do with conservative MPs being in bed with Murdoch & co

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Beirdo:

lose their Bs... be the C.

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Beirdo:

that would be a shame

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Beirdo:

so much heritage... gone

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justinh:

then again I do think the beeb have lost their way a bit. time was when aunty beeb knew best, not trying to be populist

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Beirdo:

oh that reminds me.

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Beirdo:

need to look at the BBC7 schedule to see if there's any other shows that interest me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OY

[17:46:12]

Beirdo:

8.8 earthquake in Chile!?

[17:46:48]

justinh:

jees

[17:47:05]

Beirdo:

so says the beeb's page anyways

[17:47:12]

Beirdo:

I still trust em for news

[17:47:33]

justinh:

yeah well, that's one area the cons will be looking at curtailing

[17:48:26]

Beirdo:

Why?!

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Beirdo:

they wanna use CNN (spit!)?

[17:49:06]

justinh:

apparently it stifles commercial enterprises who also offer news services

[17:49:15]

Beirdo:

hahah

[17:49:25]

Beirdo:

if you can't compete, castrate the leader

[17:49:27]

Beirdo:

I see

[17:49:47]

** justinh blames murdoch **

[17:49:53]

Beirdo:

so let's just give UK crappy news

[17:50:00]

Beirdo:

wonderful idea

[17:50:02]

justinh:

he was the most useless member of the A-Team anyway

[17:50:11]

Beirdo:

hehe

[17:51:18]

Beirdo:

just privatize the BBC completely, and let them make their own decisions

[17:51:25]

Beirdo:

get the politicians out of there

[17:52:30]

Beirdo:

Hmmm

[17:52:38]

Beirdo:

"I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again"

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sphery:

justinh: well, if it goes really bad, TMS is pressuring SD to expand to non-US areas. Worst case--given sufficient interest from UK MythTV users--SD could license the TMS data for UK TV listings and resell it over there

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Beirdo:

that might be worth a listen

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Beirdo:

sphery: that could work

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justinh:

yeah that wouldn't be so bad

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sphery:

Of course, if you look on the -users list, you'll find that there's no need--you can just steal the data as long as you disagree with the ToS of any site providing it.

[17:55:14]

Beirdo:

Heh

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justinh:

I read that. stupid idiots

[17:55:24]

Beirdo:

tards

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

because $20/yr is so expensive for a luxury DVR

[17:55:59]

Beirdo:

yeah, no kidding

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justinh:

muh, information is all free </freetard>

[17:56:09]

Beirdo:

I just spent almost that much at Starbucks

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sphery:

(IMHO, if you can't--or choose not--to afford $20/yr for listings data, you shouldn't be using MythTV.)

[17:56:21]

sphery:

no joke

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Beirdo:

if you can't afford $20/yr for listings, how can you afford to buy the hardware?

[17:56:56]

highzeth:

I'd go further and say you shouldnt afford having a tv then

[17:56:59]

Beirdo:

or the source?

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highzeth:

heh

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justinh:

that apparently isnt the point

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sphery:

and, I'd bet money that the vast majority of those who rationalize stealing the listings data save the $20 for each one of the movies that they steal by downloading off the 'net instead of purchasing on DVD.

[17:57:16]

justinh:

wonder how much they pay for their internet too...

[17:57:18]

Beirdo:

unless you are doing OTA, you're paying a buttload more just to receive it

[17:57:24]

justinh:

or do they just steal that aswell? ;-)

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sphery:

so just take some of the money they save by stealing movies and put it toward listings data

[17:57:43]

sphery:

highzeth: completely agree

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sphery:

highzeth: and if you have a TV, OTA only and no DVR

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Beirdo:

sphery: or towards future legal defense :)

[17:58:03]

sphery:

heh

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highzeth:

yeah, having a tv is *not* filed under basic human needs imo

[17:58:28]

Beirdo:

I lived many years without it

[17:58:29]

justinh:

yet

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highzeth:

use the 20$ for butter & bread if they struggle that hard

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Beirdo:

and a PVR sure ain't

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justinh:

the way people prattle on about the TV licence fee over here you'd think it was a birthright

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sphery:

Yeah, I /really/ hope that the "almost a lawyer" who's saying that you can steal the data using mc2xml and it's not illegal or immoral or unethical gets to defend his position--while paying out of pocket to do so--in court at some point in the future.

[17:58:53]

Beirdo:

let alone the electricity to run it...

[17:59:35]

justinh:

just for the log I'd like to say I'm willing to pay twice as much for the TV licence :-)

[17:59:38]

sphery:

no joke, MythTV systems take a /ton/ of electricity compared to even cable-/satellite-co DVRs (even the atoms and what not)

[17:59:43]

Beirdo:

I mean, I am far from a Microsoft-lover... but that doesn't mean I'd advocate ripping them off

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sphery:

agreed

[18:00:02]

sphery:

and, ultimately, they're ripping off TMS

[18:00:03]

Beirdo:

boycotting them? Sure

[18:00:04]

justinh:

the myth about OSS PC based DVRs is that you save money using em

[18:00:10]

Beirdo:

sphery: true enough

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sphery:

which impacts any legal user of TMS data

[18:00:27]

Beirdo:

justinh: hence "mythtv" is a good name :)

[18:00:29]

sphery:

justinh: exactly... If you're doing MythTV to save money, you're not doing it right.

[18:00:37]

sphery:

(and you're likely not even saving money)

[18:00:37]

swerve:

hey – just noticed after upgrading to 0.22 that it scales up my CPU to max

[18:00:43]

jamesd2:

sphery, but if they move to a new standard or wished too they would have to throw away the current box, and that is worse for environment...

[18:00:56]

justinh:

we actually pay through the nose in terms of time *and* money, to be able to benefit from extra versatility

[18:00:56]

sphery:

swerve: that's because it's winter time, so it's helping to keep your house warm

[18:01:07]

Beirdo:

jamesd2: not really. give it to a school

[18:01:08]

swerve:

considering i keep the frontend client running pretty much all the time that's not so good!

[18:01:41]

swerve:

sphery: lol – i suspect it would do it in summer, too ;-)

[18:01:47]

sphery:

jamesd2: in many cases when you factor in the electricity savings from newer hardware, it has quite an offset to the environmental implications of waste

[18:02:04]

sphery:

jamesd2: IMHO, properly-disposed-of electronics waste isn't a problem

[18:02:05]

jamesd2:

Beirdo, were talking about satelite/cable boxes, they locked to a provider... so without provider support the box is a paper weight

[18:02:06]

highzeth:

OSS has its cons, one of them is that many people cant digest that if one thing is 'free', everything cant be.

[18:02:27]

highzeth:

ref recent IIPA activity

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Beirdo:

jamesd2: oh, OK. Well send it back to the provider.. or use it as a doorstop :)

[18:02:46]

sphery:

jamesd2: (of course, properly-disposed-of is almost always a myth--but fix that problem rather than tell people to use 10-yr-old electronics that suck electricity like crazy)

[18:02:53]

swerve:

is this new gui engine really so much more resource intensive?

[18:02:59]

justinh:

swerve: nope

[18:03:09]

sphery:

swerve: what's your CPU usage?

[18:03:10]

swerve:

what might be causing it then?

[18:03:12]

sphery:

swerve: what screen?

[18:03:12]

justinh:

swerve: unless you happen to have inherited broken video drivers

[18:03:29]

jamesd2:

sphery, and the cost currently of properly disposed of eletronic waste makes it very expensive and your users wont do it most of the time anyways... they just chuck it unless they are paid to recycle and you have to pay extra for that as well

[18:03:30]

** sphery bets he has no OpenGL but he's selected the OpenGL theme painter **

[18:03:34]

Beirdo:

or ancient video cards

[18:03:35]

swerve:

used to stay at 1600 almost all the time, now it maxes at 2400 all the time while mythfront is running

[18:03:36]

sphery:

so he's using Mesa on the CPU

[18:03:49]

justinh:

with the GANT theme huh?

[18:03:57]

sphery:

jamesd2: right, so fix the /real/ problem

[18:03:59]

swerve:

qt theme thing I think – let me check

[18:04:17]

sphery:

swerve: CPU usage? Screen?

[18:04:18]

swerve:

qt paint engine

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Beirdo:

sphery: shut off the electrical grid completely?

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Beirdo:

that would sure solve a pile of issues instantly...

[18:04:51]

sphery:

Beirdo: no, enforce proper disposal of electronics (even the recyclers often just ship it overseas where it ends up in riverbeds)

[18:04:53]

Beirdo:

and create a pile more :)

[18:04:55]

noaXess_kubuntu:

hi all

[18:05:01]

swerve:

hmmm... cores 2 and 4 are maxed at 100%

[18:05:05]

Beirdo:

sphery: I know, I'm just being silly

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sphery:

yeah, though yours would have a very good impact on the environment

[18:05:39]

sphery:

not so much for the economy

[18:05:44]

swerve:

brb....

[18:05:50]

Beirdo:

the Ahmish would be OK

[18:05:53]

noaXess_kubuntu:

on four channels i can't record a sheduled show.. but i can press record if i watch tath cahnnel live.. then it records the show...

[18:06:08]

Beirdo:

their idea of being off-grid would come in real handy if the grid disappears

[18:06:13]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[18:06:21]

noaXess_kubuntu:

if i switch to this chennel or one of them, i get "On known multiplex..."

[18:06:36]

noaXess_kubuntu:

on othe channels i get normaly the lock information, signal strenght... and so on

[18:06:42]

noaXess_kubuntu:

any idea?

[18:07:42]

sphery:

The problem with Firefox: Ctrl-N is right next to Ctrl-B and when you accidentally hit Ctrl-B-N, it opens the bookmarks-thingy-on-the-left-side-of-the-window in the Firefox window with focus and opens a new Firefox window with the bookmarks thingy open, so you have to Ctrl-B *both* of them to fix it.

[18:07:56]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 was for you

[18:08:39]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: aha .. sorry.

[18:08:55]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: the video sources portion. It's also possible that you just need to rescan, but IMHO, you should always do as that post says when doing a rescan.

[18:09:21]

sphery:

actually, you /do/ need to rescan, but it's possible that rescanning on top of the garbage that's currently in there will fix it

[18:09:37]

sphery:

though it will take longer to rescan on top of garbage than to clean out the garbage and do it right in the first place

[18:10:17]

Beirdo:

OK, time to get buildbot running under 'doze :)

[18:10:18]

sphery:

oh, and no need to apologize... I should have used your nick when I sent it the first time (so I apologize)

[18:10:47]

Beirdo:

I'd like to eventually see buildbot (or equivalent) setup for mythtv

[18:10:51]

sphery:

Any chance you have some bender bots?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphewow.. so reconfigure mythtv.. hm...

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: no, reconfigure your video source

[18:11:42]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it takes 2min (if you don't know what you're doing) plus the time required for the channel scan to complete

[18:12:13]

sphery:

I do mine all the time (so it generally takes me 30s + scan time)

[18:12:26]

sphery:

and I have to reconnect inputs on 4 capture cards

[18:12:37]

sphery:

on 2 separate backends (meaning 2 different mythtv-setups)

[18:12:49]

justinh:

heheheheheh "Themer choices aren't bugs."

[18:12:52]

sphery:

so whatever happened to Futurama coming back...

[18:13:02]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, that was good

[18:14:06]

justinh:

wonder why providers can't just leave the blimmin channel lineups alone for 2 minutes

[18:14:08]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurama#Revival

[18:14:26]

sphery:

justinh: the other problem with (at least US) cable

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sphery:

(US) OTA ftw!

[18:15:14]

justinh:

hey we've not had to rescan freeview stuff for wooo... 4 months now!

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justinh:

:-O

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Beirdo:

you just jinxed it

[18:17:00]

justinh:

heh

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: the video source is a xml grabber.. need i recreate the xml channel file?

[18:19:56]

sphery:

So, what's up with the weather? 50F at 1:00pm on Feb 27. Should be in the 70's.

[18:20:11]

highzeth:

I had issue with SBE's timing out when running 2.6.31 on them, has this been address'd here or kernel side?

[18:20:12]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: the video source is the distinct grouping of channels

[18:20:23]

Beirdo:

my wife earlier today complained that it's cold... "it's only 83"

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: the xml grabber is the listings source--very different

[18:20:29]

Beirdo:

I told her she's insane

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: you need to fix the video source (in mythtv-setup), not the listings source

[18:21:07]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: so just Delete all video sources, then re-create the video source with the same xmltv config info for the listings source, then when you connect the input, you'll need to rescan the channels

[18:21:44]

sphery:

Beirdo: heh, 83 wouldn't be cold for me, but it seems a lot of places are colder than usual

[18:22:21]

Beirdo:

this is actually average for this time of year

[18:22:24]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: the listings source.. is that the file where the video source get the channel information?

[18:22:25]

Beirdo:

she's just insane

[18:22:51]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it's the source of program listings data

[18:23:13]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: if you have analog tv, you can't do a "Fetch channels from listings provider" (alone)--you have to do a channel scan

[18:23:19]

highzeth:

Beirdo: heh, we have -16F only a few days ago, now its back to summer temps of 19F

[18:23:21]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: I'm assuming you have digital TV, right?

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highzeth:

s/have/had/

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: right, three dvb-c cards

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Beirdo:

highzeth: fun times

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sphery:

summer temps of 19F?

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sphery:

wow

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highzeth:

idd ;)

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Beirdo:

you in Nome, Alaska?

[18:24:12]

highzeth:

we call it summer temps, its not that bad during summer tho ;)

[18:24:36]

highzeth:

Middle of Norway, just south of Trondheim

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: basically, you just want to delete all video sources to clear out al the channel-related info, then reconfigure channels

[18:24:46]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: where can i change the language? so we speak from the same thema :)

[18:24:56]

Beirdo:

highzeth: OK, good enough :)

[18:25:12]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: in frontend settings under general, maybe?

[18:25:22]

Beirdo:

You should be proud of your biathalon athlete... gold yesterday

[18:25:29]

Beirdo:

I forget his name, but he ruled.

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highzeth:

But its not been this cold in ~30 years, so times are def changing =)

[18:25:46]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: that changes also the language of the mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: I'm not sure. As a US English speaker, I've never change the language settings. :(

[18:26:20]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it might be in mythtv-setup General settings

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highzeth:

We have many good men & women, I nearly had a heart attack during the 4x7.5km relay yesterday =)

[18:27:02]

Beirdo:

What's the population of Norway?

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Beirdo:

I was mentally calculating medals per capita, and I think that Norway may be far in the lead for that

[18:27:52]

highzeth:

4.7 I believe

[18:27:58]

Beirdo:

4.7M?

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Beirdo:

wow.

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: ok, now i delete all video sources.. that in menu 3. from mythtv-setup right?

[18:28:07]

highzeth:

mill yeah

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Beirdo:

you guys are ruling the Winter Olympics then

[18:28:33]

highzeth:

yeah, its really strange, we are the size of a mid-sized US city

[18:28:41]

Beirdo:

the US may have the most medals total, but 300M people

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Beirdo:

a lot more people to choose from, and to fund them

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janneg:

Beirdo: fair would be probably medals per athlete/team

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highzeth:

yeah, just look at our clowns, no financial backing and they are in the finals =)

[18:29:52]

Beirdo:

janneg: yeah, but the number of medals per capita is quite eye-opening

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Beirdo:

China is SUCKING ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, they dominate a couple sports... but they should, they have a BILLION people to pick from

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noaXess_kubuntu:

should i have three video sources for each capture card.. or can i use one video source for all three cards?

[18:34:06]

Beirdo:

well-funded athletes tend to do better as they can afford to train instead of slave at their day jobs

[18:35:12]

highzeth:

phone*

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: a video source is a unique list of channels available on an input and the tuning information for those channels. So, if you have 3 same-type (DVB-C, for example) capture cards receiving the same signal with the same content, you need 1 video source.

[18:36:25]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: ok.. now deleted the videso source.. and recreated it.. no channels now available..

[18:36:51]

noaXess_kubuntu:

now do a channel scan or fetch channels from listings source?

[18:36:52]

sphery:

if you have 2 DVB-C cards and one PVR-150 all getting TV from the same cable TV connection, you need 2 video sources (because the tuning information differs--and, likely, the available channels differ, too)

[18:37:06]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: for DVB-C you'd scan

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: ok.. scanning.. in one verknüpfungen :) Point 4, in setup?

[18:38:08]

noaXess_kubuntu:

or scan in point 5. edit chanels i think on englisch

[18:38:09]

sphery:

then after scanning you'd edit the channels in the channel editor in mythtv-setup or mythweb to put the xmltvid in, then run mythfilldatabase to get listings

[18:38:22]

sphery:

You need to scan in Input Connections

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sphery:

(don't know what that is in your language :)

[18:38:33]

sphery:

it's probably 4

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sphery:

first connect the video source to the input, then scan for channels

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noaXess_kubuntu:

okay.. 4. is good.. the strange is, that the main menu in mythtv-setup is in german.. but the submenu's options are in english

[18:39:04]

sphery:

do a full scan and let it complete

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok

[18:39:17]

sphery:

if you restart, it should all be the same

[18:39:26]

sphery:

probably just because you changed it?

[18:39:37]

sphery:

(or it's an incomplete translation)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i don't find any option to change the language in mythtv-setup, only in frontend i found it

[18:40:18]

noaXess_kubuntu:

scanning now channels...

[18:41:05]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: but the big part is, scanning.. and then edit the channels to add the xmltvid, right?

[18:41:25]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: right

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noaXess_kubuntu:

hm.. how to get the xmltvid's, automatically?..

[18:42:03]

highzeth:

Beirdo: for sure, funds are very important.

[18:42:43]

Beirdo:

but of course, having a homeland with lots of snow helps for skiing, etc :)

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** sphery can't remember/reproduce the bug he noticed in MythControls earlier and none of the tickets help **

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highzeth:

Sure, I dont ski, at all, but many *are* born with it =)

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highzeth:

I see notn wrong with a snowmobile

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I wish they'd put into the olympics... moguls on snowmobiles

[18:45:53]

highzeth:

I got tricked into a downhill track 20+ years ago, that cured any and all needs for such for me

[18:46:02]

darkdrgn2k:

any one know if there is spport for the T14A Artech USB astc tuner?

[18:46:15]

Beirdo:

cross-country would be more my style... but I'd need to get fit first

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highzeth:

yeah, I could do that, but I really dont have the coordination for it. I'd be more on my arse than on my feets

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I never learned to skate-ski though

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Beirdo:

tried it once... spent too much time with my face buried in the snow

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highzeth:

oh man, can you say hip replacements? LOL

[18:48:32]

highzeth:

*snap*snap* "emm guys, help?!"

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Beirdo:

heh

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highzeth:

watching the men's slalom atm, many struggle hard getting through the track today

[18:51:11]

Beirdo:

yeah, nasty weather

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highzeth:

aye, not much of a winter weather there

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: If your channels contain enough information then mythfilldatabase will be able to match up the information in the listings with the information in the channels (which was pulled from the stream when scanning). If not, mythfilldatabase may create duplicate channels and break your configuration meaning you'll have to restart the whole process (Delete all video sources, ...).

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highzeth:

salted the hills to hardened the snow, that says alot :/

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ZathraZ:

Hi. After an upgrade of mythtv, lirc and kernel, mythtv is no longer able to bind to the lircd socket. mode2 is working fine so lirc is working as it should. Debian Lenny, kernel 2.6.32 (!) and latest lirc Sidux package (lirc 5.19). Any pointers very much appreciated

[18:57:33]

oobe:

ZathraZ, do you have /dev/lircd

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ZathraZ:

yes, /dev/lircd /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircm

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oobe:

irw? works

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ZathraZ:

mode2 works

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ZathraZ:

but I had to use mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[18:59:11]

ZathraZ:

lircd did not work

[18:59:24]

ZathraZ:

lircd and lirc0 both dit not work in myth

[18:59:28]

tank-man:

yea sounds like its trying to find /dev/lirc but you have /dev/lirc0

[18:59:48]

tank-man:

maybe that is it?

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ZathraZ:

I made some dirty hacks in lirc startup script previously I remember now. Maybe I should test that script again. One mo

[19:00:42]

ZathraZ:

hmm. TV is in use :-(

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wertwert1984:

help me please i have no sound in mythtv

[19:02:23]

oobe:

check your hardware.conf the new lirc version may of changed your /dev/lirc device name

[19:04:31]

oobe:

wertwert1984, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . e_problem.3F

[19:10:33]

sphery:

In MythTV, no one can hear you scream!

[19:10:54]

noaXess_kubuntu:

perfect.. now, no card can scan channels.. :(

[19:11:18]

sphery:

digital scanning should work fine

[19:14:16]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: no there is something wring.. each of the three card can't scan.. get any channel.. timeout

[19:15:03]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: should i increase signal timeout?

[19:15:19]

noaXess_kubuntu:

now it 1000 and tuning timeout 3000

[19:16:07]

sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: yes, definitely

[19:16:17]

sphery:

increase them (to the max isn't bad for the initial scan)

[19:16:39]

** sphery puts another stupid setting in his sights **

[19:16:57]

Dudesky1:

guys still confused my box works fine with Geforce 7 cards my 8400GS and G210 cards disables audio for the on-board card

[19:17:47]

sphery:

HDMI getting used by your TV?

[19:18:07]

sphery:

so it ignores the audio output?

[19:18:20]

sphery:

(using the empty HDMI audio, perhaps)

[19:18:23]

Dudesky1:

ok but what do I do

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sphery:

no idea--there was a thread on the users list about it

[19:18:55]

sphery:

I don't use HDMI

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Dudesky1:

followed all the wiki pages still no audio from hdmi or on-board

[19:19:19]

Dudesky1:

yeah wish I didn't

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Dudesky1:

was using component everything was great them

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND

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sphery:

the best I can do for you

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Dudesky1:

thanks

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ZathraZ:

k. thanks. /dev/lirc was indeed needed

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: i get really no signal on each card.. strange..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ho can i test a dvb-c card, to see if it gets a signal?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok.. w_scan -f c -c CH > channels.conf sems to work.. so card is ok...

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oobe:

szap i think

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noaXess_kubuntu:

oobe: ??

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oobe:

or czap

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noaXess_kubuntu:

for what?

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oobe:

testing your tuning device

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noaXess_kubuntu:

oobe: aha. :) w_scan works.. filling channels.conf..

[19:43:49]

noaXess_kubuntu:

something broken in my mythtv setup?

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Beirdo:

30km cross-country ski on.

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Beirdo:

women's

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noaXess_kubuntu:

how shoul channels.conf look to use it for channel scan in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i thought you muted all logging in JAMU

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wagnerrp:

all of the logging done by the bindings, anyway

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486 perhaps

[20:14:25]

sphery:

getting channels.conf to work with mythtv may be more difficult than making the scanner work

[20:14:53]

sphery:

Or did you back up your db before deleting video source? You can always restore the backup

[20:15:18]

noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: i have a backup but the have same problem then before.. some channels can't be recorded

[20:15:36]

noaXess_kubuntu:

so w_scan has worked.. so card's are ok..

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bjd:

what is this backup thing you speak of?

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

just in case that's not a joke: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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bjd:

no, it was ;)

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: if you restore the backup, you can try just doing a rescan

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: okay..

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: or you can live with the couple of broken channels until the scanner is fixed for you

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: (And if anyone asks, I didn't tell you this, but since you can do LiveTV for the channels and you can't do recordings, the problem is that the information on tuning those channels in your database is wrong. However, LiveTV short-circuits that tuning information by using "Quick Tuning," so if you tell MythTV to always use quick tuning (even for recordings), you'll be able to tune all channels--today. If your ...

[20:19:33]

sphery:

... cable co changes channels around, though, then it can actually break everything (LiveTV and recordings) worse than it was broken with Quick Tuning set to LiveTV only.)

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sphery:

Quick Tuning is unsafe (which is why the default is to use it only for LiveTV--where a user will notice a failure). Full tuning is safer--but requires valid tuning information in the database.

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sphery:

and if I ever hear you say that setting MythTV to always use quick tuning "fixed" the problem, I'll come after you. (as it's not fixing anything--it's just working around the invalid data in your database.) :)

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sphery:

and I'm very glad you thought to make a backup before editing things--since I didn't think to remind you to make one. :)

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sphery:

(I'm losing my touch)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: No I only mutted the Jamu logging during a the import and initialization calls. Jamu's output is not read by anything unless it is piped to a log.

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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Beirdo:

well, Norway got silver... by a foot

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Beirdo:

30k women's cross-country

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Beirdo:

Poland won

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Beirdo:

30 frigging km.

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Beirdo:

in 1.5hrs.

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Beirdo:

sorry. 1h20min

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Beirdo:

I can't read :)

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tzanger:

good afternoon

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tzanger:

I have a bunch of recordings that were made on a slave backend (one filestore, NFS to the master backend)

[21:42:15]

tzanger:

I've shut down the slave backend, the recordings are still on the master, I can see them and mplay them with mplayer

[21:42:21]

tzanger:

but the frotnend says the recordings are not available

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tzanger:

I suspect that the db has stored that they were on the slave backend, and thus can't find them

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tzanger:

is there a way to have the master backend "re-find" these recordings?

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sphery:

tzanger: Master Backend Override: If enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory. Useful if you are using a central storage location, like a NFS share, and your slave backend isn't running.

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sphery:

it's either in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend

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sphery:

(used to be mythtv-setup, but I don't remember if it got moved)

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tzanger:

sphery: I'm almost certain I have that set (always have) but checking

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Guierrmo:

having some trouble getting my HDPVR working again after changing source from directv to comcact digital box. I can cat to a file, but not having any luck in myth.

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tzanger:

yep I do have "master backend override" set

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sphery:

Guierrmo: did you clean out your channel config? Do the video sources part of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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tzanger:

what I did do now, however, and this fixed it, was to update the recorded table and set the hostname to my backend's name

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tzanger:

that made everything show up

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tzanger:

or rather not hsow up, but be accessible from the frontend

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tzanger:

sphery: and it's still in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

Guierrmo: when you re-create it, you should be good. Note that DirecTV with HD-PVR is analog capture, so you'll use "Fetch channels from listings source", but since they may be considered high-def channels, you may have to do it manually using mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels

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sphery:

tzanger: all new recordings from the slave will be unavailable until you fix the misconfiguration--your workaround only "fixed" (broke, but in a way that myth should do the right thing) the old ones

[21:55:46]

sphery:

tzanger: you likely need to enable always stream or something

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sphery:

or just make sure you don't nfs mount the recordings dirs on the frontend

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Guierrmo:

I removed all sources already, one of the first things I tried when it didn;t works, besides, unpluging, repluggin, rmmoding, modprobing and rebooting. The annoying blue light doesn't even come one when trying to record in myth.

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sphery:

ah, then you likely need to remove capture cards, too

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sphery:

make sure you use Delete all capture cards (and not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>") as well as "Delete all video sources" rather than just hitting D to delete cards/sources one at a time

[21:59:35]

sphery:

otherwise, you will likely leave garbage that breaks things

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Guierrmo:

forgot to mention that I did that too. been messing with this for 4 hours now

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Guierrmo:

I just deleted all sources, maybe that is the difference.

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tzanger:

sphery: oh the slave is gone for good now, I updated the master backend so I could use the slave's recorder in it :-)

[22:00:56]

tzanger:

sphery: what's the misconfiguration though, I'm not sure

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sphery:

if the slave is gone for good, you did the right thing

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sphery:

in the future, I hope to have the code to allow you to do that through the UI

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tzanger:

*nods*

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Guierrmo:

Just to make sure I'm not an idiot, composite = RGB wires and component = yellow wire, right?

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sid3windr:

no

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sid3windr:

other way around

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sarah93:

wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4

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sarah93:

wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4

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noaXess_kubuntu:

how can i create a channels.conf file that i can use for channel scan?

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

but at least you aren't spamming like that sarah character

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noaXess_kubuntu:

Beirdo: ok :)

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Beirdo:

the docs don't say?

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sphery:

is that link from sarah93 one of those that hijacks your browser to send spam to the IRC channel?

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Beirdo:

or the wiki?

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tzanger:

I'll try

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tzanger:

sphery: I'll try it

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: it may or may not work

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sphery:

channels.conf is not the preferred approach for getting channels into mythtv

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sphery:

that said, I can't really help with the internal scanner if it's not working for you

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tzanger:

nope, just a spam "chain letter" kind of site to earn euros toward pictures of items :-)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: you mean.. with a channels.conf i can't scan for channel, cause this bug http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486??

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sphery:

the best solution would be for you to fix scanning for your channels/your area so that we can get the patch in so everyone can benefit and use the channel scanner

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Beirdo:

true

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: so.. i need wait for a fix.. right?

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sphery:

tzanger: ah, I had heard the freenode staff talking about some spam bot thing that was using links in the IRC windows

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: I'm saying that channels.conf probably won't work, so the best thing to do would be to fix the channel scanner for your area

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: with the channel scanner, waiting for a fix may take a long time because usually it can only be fixed by someone receiving the same channels you're receiving

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: how can i do that? need i compile mythtv from latest svn?

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sphery:

using SVN would be nice if creating a patch, but even if you made one for 0.22-fixes, it would be helpful in getting the fix into Myth

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sphery:

s/SVN/SVN trunk/

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sphery:

but compiling is a prerequisite to patching a C++ program

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok.. thats not my way..

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** Beirdo watches his laptop compile libclucene in Windows **

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sphery:

if you don't want to make that leap, I'd suggest sending a message to the mythtv-users list asking others in your area what they've done

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sphery:

someone else may have done some work

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sphery:

or may have found a workaround

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Beirdo:

or may be able to work with you if you are not able to code, etc

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

you'll be a lot more likely to come across people in your area on the -users list than on here

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

#8100 and #8107 seem to be related if not duplicate

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sphery:

agreed, feel free to close one as dup

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

done

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Beirdo:

OMG, CLucene takes forever to compile

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jarle:

I'm trying to make my HD (h264) recordings playing without stuttering, will vdpau do me any good, or is this only for mpeg2?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sphery: so now, get my backup back and it's running...

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noaXess_kubuntu:

will search/post in mythtv-users list.. maybe a fix is on the go

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sphery:

noaXess_kubuntu: good... again a backup saves the day :)

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sphery:

good luck on the lists

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noaXess_kubuntu:

es :)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

bye

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noaXess_kubuntu:

g...night

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sphery:

make sure you post where you're at and which cable co

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sphery:

(generically where)

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sphery:

on the lists so others in the area can chime in

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noaXess_kubuntu:

jep

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Beirdo:

heh. libpcre time...

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