| Tuesday, February 23rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:10] | kormoc: | Beirdo: kvm > xen by far |
| [00:00:12] | Beirdo: | I'm not changing my frigging domUs to something else :) |
| [00:00:29] | j-rod: | this is why we (Red Hat) have people like Gerd Hoffman |
| [00:00:30] | kormoc: | xen lost their market share by refusing to play fair |
| [00:00:36] | Beirdo: | I just want it to WORK |
| [00:00:37] | j-rod: | we can run xen domU guests under kvm now |
| [00:00:45] | Beirdo: | oh really? |
| [00:00:47] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [00:00:51] | j-rod: | xenner |
| [00:01:08] | j-rod: | http://kraxel.fedorapeople.org/xenner/ |
| [00:01:46] | Beirdo: | I like Ubuntu for a desktop, but it's becoming more of a PITA as a server |
| [00:01:50] | kormoc: | at SCaLE, Xen were talking about how they're going to have some awesome new feature soon that will launch them to the lead again, and I really wonder what that is going to be |
| [00:02:15] | j-rod: | kormoc: citrix mails you a check for $1k for every verified install? |
| [00:02:23] | kormoc: | that'd do it! |
| [00:02:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:03:05] | Beirdo: | Well, OpenSolaris may end up being my dom0 if I can't get it to work otherwise |
| [00:03:15] | j-rod: | kvm has awesome new features too, plus, one feature xen won't ever have, which is upstream acceptance... |
| [00:03:50] | j-rod: | if I had to run xen, I'd just run rhel5 as my dom0 |
| [00:04:03] | Beirdo: | I may go back to 8.04 |
| [00:04:11] | Beirdo: | but I don't have the CDs here |
| [00:04:14] | Beirdo: | CD rather |
| [00:04:16] | j-rod: | and not just because I maintain the damned kernel for it either |
| [00:04:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:04:31] | deekjx: | Anyone have any advice on what could be wrong with my setup? I'm trying to get my PS3 to see the videos on MythTV. It sees the UPnP but it on gets to Videos -> Video_Root -> no titles found. |
| [00:04:35] | Beirdo: | I'm loathe to switch streams at this point |
| [00:04:56] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: its only been 15 minutes, and no new users |
| [00:05:58] | kormoc: | deekjx: did you restart the backend as you were reqeusted to do awhile ago? |
| [00:06:13] | deekjx: | this is the first time I've asked in 3 hours. I just made a statement 15 minutes ago |
| [00:06:16] | kormoc: | Beirdo: switching streams is fine, just don't ever cross them |
| [00:06:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:06:29] | Beirdo: | kabloooey |
| [00:06:31] | j-rod: | xris: whelp, build on 10.6 on my laptop hasn't died as of yet… going to just leave it building overnight, I guess… 7pm, and I have yet to leave the office, not likely to want to touch a computer tonight anyway |
| [00:06:44] | deekjx: | yes, I restarted the whole server. I even restarted the PS3. The frontend can view all the videos fine |
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| [00:06:59] | Beirdo: | .win 41 |
| [00:07:04] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [00:07:13] | Beirdo: | and yes, I have that many windows in irssi :) |
| [00:07:24] | deekjx: | I lowered the file update to 5 minutes from 30 |
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| [00:09:14] | lbt: | hi – I recently upgraded to 0.22 on Debian and have some recordings that show the wrong length. If I use mplayer the shows are all there (ie ~1hr). The f/e shows them as being ~20mins long. |
| [00:09:50] | kormoc: | rebuild your seek table |
| [00:09:58] | kormoc: | instructions in the wiki |
| [00:10:08] | lbt: | kormoc: yep, done that historically |
| [00:10:10] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, so KVM might support my domUs. That's something to look at |
| [00:10:26] | deekjx: | I'm running the backend and frontend on the same server. I have no other computers envovled. Do I need to load the master backend module for the UPnP devices to see the files? |
| [00:10:27] | lbt: | ISTR this was related to timezone/symbolic links.... |
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| [00:11:11] | deekjx: | The mast backend modules seems to be geared towards multiple backends, but maybe its reuired for stand alone installations? |
| [00:11:18] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: do you have the backend running as a routable IP? not 127.0.0.1? |
| [00:11:26] | deekjx: | yes I do |
| [00:11:31] | lbt: | kormoc: and this seems to be affecting multiple recordings too so something is wrong at recording time. |
| [00:11:41] | deekjx: | I defined it in the Backend Setup |
| [00:12:39] | deekjx: | It almost seems like I need to flip a toogle to say that these videos are viewable via UPnP but ic an't find any such setting |
| [00:13:15] | wagnerrp: | if they are visible in the frontend, and the backend and frontend both have the same access to file storage, they will be available over upnp |
| [00:13:26] | wagnerrp: | note that upnp does not use the videometadata table |
| [00:13:33] | wagnerrp: | it maintains its own list of available content |
| [00:13:37] | wagnerrp: | refreshed every half hour |
| [00:13:54] | kormoc: | I really believe it's because there's no storage groups |
| [00:14:19] | deekjx: | I changed the refrech from 30 minutes to 5 minutes |
| [00:14:40] | deekjx: | I can try adn setup a storage group, but Ionly have one back end |
| [00:14:53] | deekjx: | let me set one those up now |
| [00:14:57] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, you should switch to using storage groups if possible |
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| [00:15:05] | wagnerrp: | the only reason not to would be if you have ISOs |
| [00:16:19] | wagnerrp: | the original idea was to transition to storage groups, and drop local access entirely |
| [00:17:00] | deekjx: | actually i believe I do have storage groups. I didn't realize they were predifined |
| [00:17:14] | wagnerrp: | they arent.. although your distro may have done that for you |
| [00:17:14] | deekjx: | I have my videos in the video storage group folder |
| [00:17:33] | lbt: | kormoc: so I used the mythcommflag --rebuild and that did fix the problem for that file. Thanks. |
| [00:17:50] | deekjx: | yes, I think Ubuntu setup a series of storage groups for me, each storage group has a list of folders |
| [00:17:51] | kormoc: | np |
| [00:18:13] | lbt: | kormoc: however it seems to be affecting multiple files and many (all?) new recordings... :( |
| [00:18:27] | lbt: | any suggestions as to the root cause? |
| [00:18:28] | kormoc: | lbt: check the backend for errors? |
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| [00:19:36] | lbt: | kormoc: looking... (any keywords that may be useful?) |
| [00:19:58] | kormoc: | lbt: I'd look for decoding errors, I tend to get them when things act up |
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| [00:23:39] | lbt: | kormoc: so here's a backend log for a 'dodgy' recording: http://pastie.org/837874 seems clean to me. |
| [00:24:20] | kormoc: | I tend to run with -v most, but Unknown type, recording width was 0 is worrying |
| [00:24:58] | lbt: | OK – it's a PVR350 FYI |
| [00:25:06] | lbt: | probably on v.v.old drivers |
| [00:25:15] | kormoc: | could be worth updating |
| [00:25:28] | lbt: | 2.6.25.4-xfspatch-dirty <grin> |
| [00:26:14] | wagnerrp: | i believe the ivtv stuff was already completely within the kernel by then |
| [00:26:29] | lbt: | yes, sounds right |
| [00:26:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont think theres been much in the way of change since then |
| [00:26:46] | lbt: | I was helping the ivtv team around that time |
| [00:26:47] | wagnerrp: | filter dir? |
| [00:27:18] | lbt: | should that be there? |
| [00:27:23] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what that is |
| [00:27:55] | lbt: | it could be debianisation.... |
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| [00:28:09] | kormoc: | nah, it's a unused feature iirc |
| [00:28:20] | kormoc: | you can do filters like increase brightness and all that jazz |
| [00:28:21] | lbt: | it is just the PVR card, the DVB is fine |
| [00:28:39] | wagnerrp: | can you otherwise use the PVR? |
| [00:29:03] | wagnerrp: | the card just hasnt gone bad? |
| [00:29:04] | lbt: | well, we only ever watch pre-recordeds |
| [00:29:09] | lbt: | and the piccy is fine |
| [00:29:17] | lbt: | playback in mplayer is fine too |
| [00:29:30] | kormoc: | and the seektable rebuild fixes it |
| [00:29:31] | wagnerrp: | i mean a new recording, straight off /dev/video0 |
| [00:29:38] | lbt: | correct kormoc |
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| [00:29:50] | wagnerrp: | oh, its recording fine, its just playback that is an issue |
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| [00:30:04] | lbt: | yes wagnerrp |
| [00:30:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: it's the seektable generation that is failing for some reason |
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| [00:30:15] | lbt: | and only post 0.22 upgrade |
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| [00:30:37] | lbt: | (it can take a long time for us to catch up on recordings) |
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| [00:31:06] | wagnerrp: | theres at least one dev in here who has a multiple year/TB backlog on recordings |
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| [00:31:22] | lbt: | heh we're on 4Tb |
| [00:31:31] | lbt: | and about 3 series of 24 behind... |
| [00:32:36] | lbt: | OK – well, thanks for the help+support guys.... I'll prod the kernel sometime and I have a workaround too |
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| [00:33:56] | Brad-D: | hey wagnerrp, by any chance do you have an ipod? ;) |
| [00:34:06] | deekjx: | something I noticed. On the PS3, There are three sections, Pitures, Music, and Videos. Oddly I have more storage groups than that and I don't have a Music on. So I believe the UPnP for my installtion is using some thing else |
| [00:34:11] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:34:11] | lbt: | hmm – mrs lbt is telling me that different channels behave differently too |
| [00:34:31] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: the PS3 just splits up content between those settings |
| [00:34:39] | lbt: | which is weird as they all come via s-video into the pvr from a sky-box... |
| [00:34:41] | lbt: | anyhow... |
| [00:34:43] | wagnerrp: | all three sections see all three folder structures |
| [00:34:58] | wagnerrp: | but only the Videos section will display video file extensions |
| [00:35:07] | deekjx: | I'm not refering to XMB options. I have those three folders after I select the MythTV server |
| [00:35:16] | deekjx: | ahh okay |
| [00:35:23] | wagnerrp: | correct, those are myth's folders |
| [00:35:52] | deekjx: | so the Myth folders here does not have to match the Myth storage groups? |
| [00:36:49] | iamlindoro: | I said this hours ago, upnp is completely unaware of storage groups |
| [00:36:56] | deekjx: | ie I have a Music folder for MythTV via the UPnP but I have no music storage group defined |
| [00:36:58] | iamlindoro: | it can neither scan nor access them |
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| [00:37:08] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [00:37:14] | iamlindoro: | there is no storage group support for music |
| [00:37:15] | mattwj2002: | I have a question |
| [00:37:19] | deekjx: | k, thanks iam |
| [00:37:28] | mattwj2002: | my question is about storage |
| [00:37:31] | kormoc: | mattwj2002: left at the sleeping cow and down about 3 miles |
| [00:37:43] | mattwj2002: | what? |
| [00:37:46] | mattwj2002: | O_o |
| [00:37:49] | wagnerrp: | your answer |
| [00:37:56] | mattwj2002: | oh ahah |
| [00:38:12] | wagnerrp: | having not actually asked a question, kormoc had no choice but to make one up |
| [00:38:27] | mattwj2002: | no can you put /var/lib/mythtv on a NTFS partition? |
| [00:38:30] | wagnerrp: | what that question was will be a riddle for the ages |
| [00:38:49] | wagnerrp: | you could... why would you want to? |
| [00:39:07] | mattwj2002: | because I am thinking about dual booting my mythtv box |
| [00:39:31] | kormoc: | cause you don't want to record things automatically? |
| [00:39:48] | mattwj2002: | yeah that is a good point |
| [00:39:48] | wagnerrp: | mythtv expects to have full control over the hardware |
| [00:39:51] | mattwj2002: | hmmmm |
| [00:40:13] | wagnerrp: | it cannot schedule around the assumption you will randomly turn the machine on and off |
| [00:40:38] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [00:40:57] | mattwj2002: | maybe I should just build another system |
| [00:41:15] | wagnerrp: | what are you intending to do with this system(s) |
| [00:41:15] | kormoc: | %s/maybe // |
| [00:41:31] | deekjx: | matt, you can try setting up your machine with XEN and run mythtv on a virtual server and windows on another virtual server. but you need a powerful enough server to handle that |
| [00:41:47] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: no... myth and VMs is just a mistake |
| [00:41:57] | deekjx: | oh |
| [00:42:03] | kormoc: | xen is a dead tech anyway... |
| [00:43:03] | mattwj2002: | I wanted a good system for Windows 7 |
| [00:43:20] | mattwj2002: | just to play around with |
| [00:43:36] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to run a backend on a machine you intend to use as a desktop |
| [00:43:44] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [00:44:34] | mattwj2002: | I have an extra hard drive an quad core processor laying around |
| [00:44:40] | mattwj2002: | *and |
| [00:44:45] | wagnerrp: | what? why? |
| [00:45:31] | mattwj2002: | well the hard drive is in in another computer right now (it has multiple hard drives) |
| [00:45:48] | mattwj2002: | the quad core I update graded to a faster core |
| [00:45:58] | mattwj2002: | *upgraded |
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| [00:46:56] | jamesd2: | xen xen isnt as dead as you think.. its linux's favorite virtual engine, oracle and sun have both invested a lot into it and oracle has big plans to integrate its work with sun's work |
| [00:47:00] | wagnerrp: | i just always find my upgrade cycles falling relatively in sync with socket upgrades |
| [00:47:22] | wagnerrp: | i only once had the option of updating a new processor to an old board |
| [00:47:37] | wagnerrp: | and i ended up having to upgrade the board as well, since it wasnt stable at the chips FSB speed |
| [00:47:44] | kormoc: | jamesd2: linux's favorite virtual engine? The kernel devs have decided to support KVM officially, as has vmware, virtual box, fedora, redhat, etc |
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| [00:50:36] | Jester05: | hello gents |
| [00:51:32] | deekjx: | is there an import freature I shoudl use to get my files into the mythtv diretory? I've just copied them there using the mythtv user |
| [00:51:52] | wagnerrp: | you mean the mythvideo directory? |
| [00:52:09] | wagnerrp: | there is no 'import' capability for normal recordings |
| [00:52:22] | Jester05: | I now have my myth system set up to tune the cable box, 1 analog stream, and 1 OTA .. 2 if you consider multi |
| [00:52:52] | deekjx: | wagnerrp: yes, is there one for videos? |
| [00:53:08] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: whatever you defined in the settings |
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| [00:53:29] | deekjx: | wagnerrp: currently I'm just trying to use myth tv without the TV card |
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| [00:53:47] | wagnerrp: | tunerless mythtv is not a supported setup |
| [00:54:14] | deekjx: | hmm, thats may be my problem them |
| [00:54:16] | deekjx: | then |
| [00:54:29] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, whats this tunerless mythtv? |
| [00:54:29] | wagnerrp: | and on a single box, with no tuners, there is really no advantage over something like xbmc |
| [00:54:45] | wagnerrp: | aside from aesthetics and behavioral preference |
| [00:54:50] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, iptv? |
| [00:55:03] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: deekjx is apparently running mythtv without a tuner card |
| [00:55:04] | kormoc: | Jester05: one without a tuner? |
| [00:55:15] | kormoc: | iptv is a virtual tuner |
| [00:55:20] | kormoc: | (when supported) |
| [00:55:25] | deekjx: | I was hoping to add tuner card later if I liked the functionality plus I like that there is a module to stream video to the internet so I can watch content on the road |
| [00:55:37] | Jester05: | whats the purpose of running it w/o a tuner.. why not jut use boxie |
| [00:55:49] | Jester05: | or does boxie do tv now too? |
| [00:55:52] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: thats what i was saying |
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| [00:55:57] | kormoc: | deekjx: we stream video to a laptop, not to the internet... important distinction... |
| [00:56:05] | wagnerrp: | no, neither boxee nor xbmc supports tuners |
| [00:56:13] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [00:56:23] | deekjx: | long |
| [00:56:30] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: the frontend can stream to any machine with sufficient network access and bandwidth |
| [00:56:38] | Jester05: | are there any plugins any of you know of that allow myth to use tv/movie streams over the internet |
| [00:56:38] | wagnerrp: | s/to/from/ |
| [00:56:47] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: MythNetVision |
| [00:57:00] | Jester05: | like say.. watch-movies-online.tv |
| [00:57:01] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [00:57:03] | deekjx: | that, part would be great when I'm sittign my hotel room |
| [00:57:09] | Jester05: | thanks wagnerrp I'll look into that |
| [00:57:23] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: aside from the experimental flash streaming of recordings in mythweb, mythtv has no on-the-fly transcoding for viewing over the internet |
| [00:57:43] | wagnerrp: | and most people dont have the bandwidth to stream full bitrate content |
| [00:57:44] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, you should be proud of me.. I set my myth up to operate my cable box lastnight ;) |
| [00:58:07] | Jester05: | and I think I'm going to buy a FTA setup and try to control the tuner box too |
| [00:58:15] | Jester05: | well the sat receiver box |
| [00:58:33] | wagnerrp: | you mean dish/directtv? |
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| [00:58:42] | Jester05: | no I just want FTA |
| [00:58:46] | Jester05: | want to mess with it a bit.. |
| [00:58:50] | deekjx: | You can get myth to work with Direct tv? |
| [00:58:51] | wagnerrp: | then pick up a DVB-S card |
| [00:59:05] | wagnerrp: | deekjx: no, you can get mythtv to work with an external tuner |
| [00:59:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt care what that tuner is |
| [00:59:20] | wagnerrp: | be it a cable box, satellite receiver, whatever... |
| [00:59:40] | Jester05: | I've considered that but I would somewhat like the modularity of using a receiver box.. |
| [00:59:48] | Jester05: | this is just for testing purposes |
| [00:59:56] | Jester05: | and I may take it out on the boat w/ me this summer ;) |
| [01:00:13] | Jester05: | I want to buy a cabin cruiser so if I got a smaller disk.. Ku I could take it out to sea ;) |
| [01:00:17] | wagnerrp: | also, check out lyngsat... theres not much of worth on free north american satellite |
| [01:00:50] | Jester05: | yeah I know .. but it'd be nice to at least have some form of tv while on the lake |
| [01:00:59] | wagnerrp: | get a big antenna |
| [01:01:08] | Jester05: | i've considered just taking my myth box w/ me lol |
| [01:01:13] | wagnerrp: | or that |
| [01:01:36] | Jester05: | is there a way I could export my entire database to "slaved" backend then operate it as a masterbackend out on the boat? |
| [01:02:03] | wagnerrp: | not directly, no |
| [01:02:09] | Jester05: | I have that little dell P4 2.4ghz box I could use.. |
| [01:02:10] | wagnerrp: | i was intending to write something up for that |
| [01:02:13] | wagnerrp: | but never got around to it |
| [01:02:29] | Jester05: | well if you ever get some time let me know ;) |
| [01:02:41] | wagnerrp: | will probably find the will to do so when the motorhome gets dewinterized and i put together a box for it |
| [01:02:48] | Jester05: | I want to get into myth development once I finish this last quarter of my degree lol |
| [01:03:05] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [01:03:15] | deekjx: | wagner: Oh I see, you hook it up to the sattellite receivier outputs, and setup a IR blaster to change the channels and what not. Is that what you are refering too? I have a TV tuner card here that I may be able to do that with |
| [01:03:20] | Jester05: | that'd be awesome.. and FTA would be handy to have in addition to OTA |
| [01:03:21] | Jester05: | brb |
| [01:03:34] | wagnerrp: | there has actually been discussion of the 'proper' way to do it |
| [01:03:50] | wagnerrp: | which would be export the metadata to a generic file, which mythtv would understand and could import |
| [01:06:17] | wagnerrp: | but theres a fair deal of other additions scheduled to be written which would also be needed for this proper way |
| [01:07:55] | ** wagnerrp cant wait for 0.23 to get branched ** | |
| [01:08:47] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'm free to fix mythweb bugs again |
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| [01:09:32] | wagnerrp: | ive got a fair bit of code ive been holding off doing anything with during the freeze |
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| [01:14:15] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, I know this is probably a stupid question but is there a plugin for myth that streams from pandora.com? |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | mythbrowser with flash support might |
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| [01:21:53] | wagnerrp: | if they support flash, you may be able to put together some MNV grabber to build a station list |
| [01:23:37] | RDV_Linux: | Jester05: If you are asking about MNV and audio then it is only a twinkle in iamlindoro's eye at the moment;) |
| [01:27:14] | Jester05: | alright lol |
| [01:28:10] | Jester05: | I'm liking my myth arrangement .. just wish the PVR-150 could tune analog and capture Svideo at the same time |
| [01:28:32] | wagnerrp: | get a second, or a 500 |
| [01:28:49] | Jester05: | well I have 2 PVR-150s |
| [01:28:58] | Jester05: | 1 is capturing Svideo from the cable box |
| [01:29:11] | Jester05: | the other is tuning analog.. i'd just like to have 2 analog streams |
| [01:29:31] | wagnerrp: | get a third, or a 500 |
| [01:29:51] | Jester05: | I'm going to set one of my Dvico's up to record unencrypted digital cable yet too tho |
| [01:30:09] | Jester05: | are many of the analog channels also unencrypted digital? |
| [01:31:34] | Jester05: | grr takes so long to filldatabase now that I have TWC Standard & Digital along w/ OTA Broadcast all coming from Schedules Direct |
| [01:32:10] | Jester05: | for whatever reason I keep trying to use the terminal I have open running it via ssh lol |
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| [01:37:27] | mzb: | it's got so bad that #mythtv-dev is invite only? |
| [01:37:58] | mzb: | ah, redirection... ? |
| [01:38:07] | ** mzb 's head is elsewhere ** | |
| [01:38:57] | Jester05: | anyone know if Time Warner Cable only does qam 256? |
| [01:38:58] | kormoc: | there is on #mythtv-dev! |
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| [01:39:48] | mzb: | always used to work |
| [01:40:30] | ** Beirdo downloads a full set of drivers for the GMA500 series ** | |
| [01:42:55] | Beirdo: | dang. someone should make a perfume from those flowers |
| [01:43:12] | Beirdo: | no idea what they are, but they are right outside the window and smell real nice |
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| [02:09:29] | innatech: | can anyone provide a hint on resolving nothing but a green field/bars being displayed by a HVR-1600 when viewing the s-video input through /dev/video0 (v4l2, CX-18) with mplayer? |
| [02:10:29] | innatech: | xvinfo checks out OK. |
| [02:12:10] | Jester05: | how long does it take to do your mythfill? .. mines literally been going for 30min |
| [02:12:23] | wagnerrp: | first run? |
| [02:12:35] | innatech: | first time for a new source? Loooong time. It fetches 14 days, ~760 each. |
| [02:12:47] | Jester05: | alright |
| [02:12:56] | Jester05: | I just added digital cable and OTA to my listings |
| [02:13:00] | innatech: | (I forget what units the meter measures, but each day was 760ish whatevers.) |
| [02:13:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just let it churn away for a while |
| [02:17:52] | innatech: | while I'm at it, if anyone has any idea why CX-18 can't seem to handle 2xHVR-1600s in the same machine I could use help w/that as well. |
| [02:18:11] | Beirdo: | oh oh. I see a cricket. |
| [02:18:15] | wagnerrp: | might have something to do with it needing to much kernel space |
| [02:18:28] | innatech: | Vmalloc? Cranked it up to 768M already... |
| [02:18:56] | innatech: | I'm beginning to thing this motherboard just isn't up to the task. |
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| [02:22:10] | Jester05: | guys, I have to admit... being able to SSH into all of my backends on a dual monitor pc is GREAT! |
| [02:22:59] | wagnerrp: | you do know that stuff has been around since before DVRs were ever conceived, right? |
| [02:23:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:23:24] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, last night we discussed linux routers a bit.. I managed to close out the firefox that I had open .. what was that PC you were talking aobut using |
| [02:23:41] | Jester05: | lol yes wagnerrp I know that.. I'm just behind the curve ;) |
| [02:23:42] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: ALIX and Soekris |
| [02:24:15] | wagnerrp: | theyre lines of embedded machines, often with minipci slots, generally used to build routers and wireless equipment |
| [02:24:43] | wagnerrp: | ive got one of the ALIX units in my basement managing my network currently |
| [02:25:04] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [02:25:18] | wagnerrp: | you know... your browser has a history |
| [02:25:28] | Jester05: | someone had mentioned using some slim system 76 pc for frontend, 1080p playback |
| [02:25:32] | wagnerrp: | another one of those magicaly ancient technologies |
| [02:26:13] | Jester05: | I know, I scrolled thru it but must have missed it |
| [02:27:41] | innatech: | Is that the blocks that snap together? |
| [02:27:44] | Jester05: | something seems aerie on my slaved backend |
| [02:27:58] | Jester05: | I added a card and configured it but its not showing up on my frontend :-\ |
| [02:28:10] | Jester05: | the frontend i'm at is also the slaved backend machine |
| [02:34:32] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted both backends? |
| [02:34:41] | Jester05: | no I haven't |
| [02:34:43] | Jester05: | just thought of that.. |
| [02:34:52] | Jester05: | but.. my masterbackend is tuning shows lol |
| [02:35:17] | Jester05: | is there a command you can execute that will wait until all tuners are free before rebooting? |
| [02:35:28] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:35:44] | Jester05: | hmm I may have to look into that |
| [02:36:08] | Jester05: | could probably return information from mythstatus |
| [02:38:22] | Jester05: | do you guys keep your myth machines up to date, if so to what extent.. even kernel and the whole 9 yards? |
| [02:40:37] | wagnerrp: | i usually do a system update once every two weeks |
| [02:40:50] | wagnerrp: | but thats only because i update everything at the same time as updating mythtv |
| [02:41:16] | Jester05: | in the past I was running myth on a slackware machine and just never touched it |
| [02:41:24] | Jester05: | and never had to worry about crashes.. |
| [02:42:01] | wagnerrp: | the way i have it set up, if an update ever causes a problem, its a minute long reboot into the old install |
| [02:42:14] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [02:42:17] | wagnerrp: | so theres almost no risk to keeping it up to date |
| [02:42:22] | Jester05: | yeah.. |
| [02:42:29] | Jester05: | I should probably be looking into a system like that |
| [02:42:36] | wagnerrp: | at worst, i have to make a trip into the basement to hit the reset |
| [02:42:45] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [02:42:56] | Jester05: | I've got my system set up in somewhat of a different way tho |
| [02:43:09] | Jester05: | I'm using both backends as my frontends |
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| [02:43:33] | Jester05: | wanted to justify leaving the frontend machines on 24/7 so I wouldn't have to wait for them to boot |
| [02:44:05] | wagnerrp: | standby |
| [02:44:14] | Jester05: | I guess I could.. |
| [02:44:15] | wagnerrp: | takes all of a couple seconds to bring the frontends online |
| [02:44:28] | Jester05: | just a press of the remote will do that? |
| [02:44:29] | wagnerrp: | my one myth box comes online faster than the tv its attached to |
| [02:44:35] | wagnerrp: | depends on the remote |
| [02:44:39] | wagnerrp: | some support it, some dont |
| [02:44:39] | [R]: | and the mothergboard |
| [02:44:46] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [02:44:58] | [R]: | i get homne i turn it on |
| [02:44:59] | wagnerrp: | [R]: depending on the remote |
| [02:45:02] | [R]: | and by the time i'm ready to watch |
| [02:45:04] | Jester05: | well wouldn't it depend more on the receiver? |
| [02:45:07] | [R]: | its turned on |
| [02:45:11] | [R]: | so i turn it off completely |
| [02:45:16] | [R]: | partly because i can't suspend |
| [02:45:22] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: some boards still dont support wake-on-usb |
| [02:45:30] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [02:45:33] | wagnerrp: | which means receivers connected through USB wont work |
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| [02:45:40] | Jester05: | yeah I know what u mean |
| [02:45:57] | wagnerrp: | however some older remotes connect directly to the power pins on the board |
| [02:46:08] | Jester05: | it would be nice to use the power button on the remote to IR blast to the TV too |
| [02:46:10] | wagnerrp: | and the board cant not support those (and still be ATX compliant) |
| [02:46:25] | [R]: | Jester05: i have a remote that sends power to all my devices |
| [02:46:28] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: they make special remotes for that |
| [02:46:34] | wagnerrp: | ones that support macros |
| [02:46:41] | Jester05: | I know .. |
| [02:46:48] | Jester05: | I'm on a college budget ;) |
| [02:46:49] | [R]: | and i'm making a microcontroller with an ir sensor thats gonna do powre on with my remote |
| [02:46:54] | Jester05: | I was messing w/ irw last night |
| [02:46:56] | [R]: | cduz i can't do wake on usb |
| [02:47:13] | innatech: | You can get the old clunky 90s programmable macro home theatre remotes kinda cheap on the bay. |
| [02:47:25] | Jester05: | lol na |
| [02:47:35] | Jester05: | I can write some stuff and make lirc do my dirty work |
| [02:47:39] | [R]: | i heart my radioshack 8 in one kameleon |
| [02:47:48] | Jester05: | just need to irw in the IR code and then irsend it out |
| [02:47:49] | innatech: | Or you can buy one of the early 2000s HP iPAQs with the universal remote program that they packaged. |
| [02:47:52] | innatech: | I forget the name. |
| [02:48:06] | [R]: | Jester05: blasters are ugly |
| [02:48:15] | Jester05: | I know but they're effective |
| [02:48:16] | innatech: | Cheaper then the expensive Harmony remotes and such. |
| [02:48:34] | Jester05: | I dont even have to have my IR blaster on the cablebox for it to hit it tho |
| [02:48:34] | wagnerrp: | innatech: but then youre stuck with a touch screen |
| [02:48:36] | [R]: | a remote that does macros is much more effective |
| [02:48:45] | innatech: | yup, that's the downside. Definitely. |
| [02:48:49] | Jester05: | I have it setting below the cable box beside the Rx and it works great |
| [02:49:15] | innatech: | On the other hand you can run x10 apps, a SIP client, etc. Ups & downs. |
| [02:49:16] | Jester05: | yeah and its also another $130 for the one I want lol |
| [02:49:25] | Jester05: | yeah.. |
| [02:49:31] | Jester05: | I'm not sure how I'll approach it yet |
| [02:49:46] | Jester05: | I graduate in a couple weeks.. should just wait and buy a Logitech remote |
| [02:50:07] | Jester05: | I'm recording Futurama and Big Bang Theory |
| [02:50:32] | wagnerrp: | BBT isnt on tonight |
| [02:50:40] | innatech: | I'm recording....green bars. It's very Zen. |
| [02:50:48] | [R]: | when was the last time cbs monday was new |
| [02:50:53] | [R]: | they are really sucking |
| [02:51:01] | wagnerrp: | couple weeks ago |
| [02:51:08] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, BBT is on on TWC |
| [02:51:18] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: but its a rerun |
| [02:51:34] | Jester05: | yeah, I just recently got this myth system up and going ;) |
| [02:51:45] | Jester05: | I've been out of the MythTV business for a few years now |
| [02:52:30] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, I'm really liking that Soekris machine |
| [02:52:38] | Jester05: | found one w/ a wifi ant. |
| [02:52:47] | Jester05: | its only a/b/g tho .. :-\ |
| [02:53:00] | innatech: | Soekris boxes are cool, but kinda of pricey for what you're getting these days. |
| [02:53:11] | Jester05: | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Gateway-Broadcom-4318 . . . em1e5a765efe |
| [02:53:30] | Jester05: | I may just get one of those puppies and put it in my masterbackend.. use it as a router |
| [02:54:08] | Jester05: | I would think my master backend/frontend machine could triple as a router and not be pressing the CPU |
| [02:54:19] | Jester05: | granted.. currently its only a P4 2.8 |
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| [02:56:52] | innatech: | I'm in no position to say....I can't get backend working right on this X2 4200+ box that's got me having fits. When I have built gigabit routers/firewalls, however, I've used low power dual core SFF mobos and PCI-E multiport NICs. Throughput is the name of the game. |
| [02:57:34] | Beirdo: | wireless hardly warrants that for routing |
| [02:57:48] | Beirdo: | nor most home broadband connections |
| [02:57:52] | innatech: | No, probably not. |
| [02:58:06] | Jester05: | yeah very true innatech and Beirdo |
| [02:58:43] | Beirdo: | I used to use a 386 for routing... then upgraded to Celeron :) |
| [02:58:46] | innatech: | I haven't played much with N, so I'm not sure what you need. |
| [02:58:49] | innatech: | Heh. |
| [02:58:54] | Jester05: | I want it partially for the advanced routing capabilities and additionally.. my master backend is going to be on regardless.. |
| [02:59:17] | Beirdo: | well, if your link to the world is 2mbit, that will be the major bottleneck anyways |
| [02:59:33] | Jester05: | no I have decent speed |
| [02:59:44] | Jester05: | TWC Roadrunner Turbo |
| [02:59:50] | Jester05: | don't remember specifics but its not slow |
| [03:00:07] | Jester05: | what do you think of using something like this for a draft N hot spot tho? |
| [03:00:08] | Jester05: | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Gateway-Broadcom-4318 . . . em1e5a765efe |
| [03:00:09] | Beirdo: | bet it is compared to wireless :) |
| [03:00:32] | innatech: | I'm going to be putting some kind of overpowered routing core system here soon, so I can move storage to a network attached ZFS pool. |
| [03:00:42] | Beirdo: | dunno, I use G |
| [03:01:24] | Jester05: | well the draft N router I want is $120–150 so if I can buy a draft N adapter and an existing box that is on anyways, why not do that and not have to buy a new router when my roommate moves out and takes his lol |
| [03:01:44] | kormoc: | Jester05: you're slower then he said, # Turbo with Power Boost – 15 Mbps/756 Kbps (bursts: 25 Mbps/1 Mbps) |
| [03:01:44] | Beirdo: | heh, true nuff |
| [03:01:50] | kormoc: | up is the bit that you'd care about |
| [03:02:14] | Jester05: | yeah I know |
| [03:02:16] | kormoc: | even TWC's extreme is fairly slow at 30/5 compared to other options |
| [03:02:22] | Beirdo: | and down of course... :) |
| [03:02:31] | Jester05: | yeah lol |
| [03:02:35] | Beirdo: | but 25Mbps is nothing compared to draft-N |
| [03:02:37] | Beirdo: | or G |
| [03:02:43] | Jester05: | but mainly.. I just don't want to have to pay for a router lol |
| [03:03:10] | Jester05: | I have a few G adapters laying around so i'm set on a/b/g |
| [03:03:23] | innatech: | I've got my media players attached to an HPNA over coax network. Speeds upwards of 100Mpbs. G is still fine for most other applications. |
| [03:03:28] | Jester05: | I just want an N terminal for future proofing |
| [03:04:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:04:28] | Jester05: | innatech, what exactly is a HPNA |
| [03:04:43] | innatech: | multipoint ethernet bridging over coax, basically. |
| [03:04:51] | innatech: | competing standard is MoCa. |
| [03:04:54] | Beirdo: | I use gig-E for wired, personally |
| [03:05:04] | Jester05: | thats what I have.. |
| [03:05:13] | Jester05: | I've got all cat6 running from my gig switch on.. |
| [03:05:29] | innatech: | HPNA is compatible with DBS but not DOCSIS, and MoCa is vice-versa. |
| [03:05:37] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [03:05:55] | innatech: | So the satcos often install HPNA to network their STBs while the cablecos use MoCa. |
| [03:06:01] | innatech: | You may also have seen HPNA in hotels. |
| [03:06:23] | innatech: | They often do it over phoneline. |
| [03:07:21] | innatech: | Anyway, the new 3.0/3.1 standard is good for streaming media if you can't pull cable for whatever reason. |
| [03:07:26] | deekjx: | does myth tv handle file names with spaces okay? |
| [03:07:38] | kormoc: | yes, it does |
| [03:07:49] | deekjx: | okay, thank you |
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| [03:27:45] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: have the url to the three still handy? |
| [03:28:18] | wagnerrp: | the three? |
| [03:28:28] | kormoc: | final themes |
| [03:32:45] | sphery: | there |
| [03:32:58] | sphery: | (he has it now, so if anyone was looking, no need anymore) |
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| [04:14:26] | Jester05: | anyone know of a job that needs an electrical engineer who knows linux? |
| [04:17:12] | Beirdo: | depends |
| [04:17:18] | Beirdo: | you wanna get paid crap? |
| [04:17:22] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:17:25] | Jester05: | define crap |
| [04:17:38] | Beirdo: | ummm, less than you're worth :) |
| [04:18:00] | Jester05: | u know.. not to run windows.. maybe so |
| [04:18:04] | Beirdo: | welcome to my world... |
| [04:18:06] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [04:18:11] | Beirdo: | we use Windows anyways. |
| [04:18:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:18:20] | Jester05: | boo |
| [04:18:21] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:18:38] | Beirdo: | yeah well. Live with it, most companies are stupid that way |
| [04:19:04] | ** Beirdo orders the fit-pc2 ** | |
| [04:19:14] | Beirdo: | now my spare time -> 0 |
| [04:19:15] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [04:19:36] | Jester05: | seriously tho .. |
| [04:19:42] | Beirdo: | that little thing (once it is supported) will kick butt |
| [04:19:46] | Jester05: | I went to school for electrical engineering.. |
| [04:19:51] | Beirdo: | so did I |
| [04:19:52] | Jester05: | I should have gone CEG/CS |
| [04:20:00] | Beirdo: | nah, EE is better |
| [04:20:06] | Jester05: | eh maybe |
| [04:20:11] | Jester05: | but I want a CEG job lo |
| [04:20:14] | Beirdo: | I'm doing Aerospace stuff right now |
| [04:20:19] | Jester05: | I don't know alot of EEs that use linux |
| [04:20:21] | Beirdo: | control software... |
| [04:20:28] | Jester05: | you guys hiring? |
| [04:20:38] | Beirdo: | yeah, if you wanna move to Puerto Rico |
| [04:20:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:20:54] | wagnerrp: | have fun with the power outages |
| [04:20:57] | Jester05: | I've been working for a consulting firm specializing in hospital design all thru college.. I've realized I don't wan to do that forever |
| [04:20:59] | Beirdo: | but you'll find that the pay scales here SUCK |
| [04:21:17] | Jester05: | what do you consider sucks |
| [04:21:28] | Jester05: | the firm I work for currently is offering me $55k |
| [04:21:38] | Beirdo: | you're better off there :) |
| [04:21:56] | Beirdo: | I have 13 years work experience... and am being paid less |
| [04:21:58] | Jester05: | disheartening.. |
| [04:22:27] | Beirdo: | cheap &*^*%$ing company |
| [04:22:35] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [04:22:47] | Beirdo: | but elsewhere here is no better |
| [04:23:00] | Beirdo: | for PR, it's a GOOD paying job, and that's sick |
| [04:23:02] | Jester05: | well I live close to Wright Patterson AFB.. talked to a guy with the super computing thing |
| [04:23:22] | Jester05: | talked to him at a career fair and he sounded interested but I haven't heard anything back from him.. |
| [04:23:31] | Jester05: | that was like 2 wks ago |
| [04:23:46] | Jester05: | he told me to expect to hear back tho b/c he was pretty interested w/ my linux experience |
| [04:23:50] | [R]: | i went to the museum once |
| [04:23:57] | [R]: | and saw the imax |
| [04:23:59] | Jester05: | I still haven't been |
| [04:24:02] | Beirdo: | you did get his email/phone number, right? |
| [04:24:20] | Jester05: | I've lived within 5 min of the place and haven't been to the museum |
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| [04:24:43] | Jester05: | yeah i have his contact.. i shot him an email today around 2pm but didnt hear anything back |
| [04:24:51] | Beirdo: | K |
| [04:24:59] | Jester05: | didn't really know what to say in it |
| [04:25:04] | Beirdo: | OMG. almost 1M users on the torrent for 8.04.4 |
| [04:25:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:25:17] | Jester05: | just kind of thanked him and asked a little about what the position would entail |
| [04:25:30] | Jester05: | 8.04? |
| [04:25:50] | Beirdo: | ubuntu |
| [04:26:11] | Beirdo: | I need xen so I can get my development domU back up |
| [04:26:29] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [04:26:38] | Jester05: | one of my tuners just went off the map lol |
| [04:26:40] | Jester05: | odd |
| [04:26:54] | Jester05: | my analog tuner isn't be used and is no longer shown on the list.. |
| [04:27:18] | Jester05: | its "asleep" wtf |
| [04:27:24] | Jester05: | what is going on w/ my tuners |
| [04:28:04] | Jester05: | at least I can ssh reboot that biotch |
| [04:28:05] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:28:34] | Jester05: | I dont think that old PC of mine can handle all this new trickary lol |
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| [04:33:08] | Jester05: | Beirdo, any good guess as to why my Tuner #1 is asleep? |
| [04:33:09] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:33:16] | Beirdo: | it's tired? |
| [04:33:37] | Beirdo: | nah, I can't think of anything constructive past checking logs |
| [04:33:39] | Beirdo: | and dmesg |
| [04:33:55] | Jester05: | what should I dmesg for that? |
| [04:34:47] | Jester05: | my PCI bus as been acting strange all day |
| [04:35:13] | Jester05: | I wonder if I didn't forget to change the flag in the bio for the PCI bus |
| [04:35:20] | Beirdo: | well, look for strange PCI-related errors in the logs maybe |
| [04:35:30] | Jester05: | it may be trying to re identify PCI crap every time it reboots |
| [04:36:03] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [04:36:11] | Beirdo: | Linux always enumerates anyways |
| [04:36:18] | Beirdo: | that shouldn't be much of an issue |
| [04:36:29] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [04:36:34] | Jester05: | well then I am at a lose |
| [04:36:39] | Jester05: | just looked at mythtv-setup |
| [04:36:46] | Jester05: | that tuner used to be /dev/video0 |
| [04:36:56] | Jester05: | now there is no video0 |
| [04:36:59] | Jester05: | but there is a video1 |
| [04:37:07] | Jester05: | my other tuner is video2 and has always been.. |
| [04:37:21] | Beirdo: | that sounds like a udev snafu |
| [04:37:43] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [04:37:50] | Jester05: | wonder what the solution is lol |
| [04:38:14] | Jester05: | crying ones self to sleep at night? |
| [04:38:15] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:38:47] | Beirdo: | you should be able to hardcode things by PCI bus ID, I think |
| [04:38:49] | Jester05: | at least i can hear my pc peep from in the living room when she reboots |
| [04:39:00] | Jester05: | I would think so aswell |
| [04:39:01] | Beirdo: | assuming that the BIOS doesn't remap it |
| [04:39:12] | Beirdo: | but I'm not much of a udev expert |
| [04:39:21] | Jester05: | I need to go check that freaking option.. |
| [04:39:26] | Jester05: | just for the sake of knowing |
| [04:44:09] | Jester05: | well it was set to redo the ECSD every boot so i disabled that and for good measure I now i have 2 tuner cards listed, one video0 and the other video1 |
| [04:44:18] | Jester05: | one will exist, the other wont lol |
| [04:45:43] | Jester05: | eh seems to have worked |
| [04:45:55] | Jester05: | i just need to change the title so they're the same |
| [04:46:05] | Jester05: | might as well make it look good ;) |
| [04:47:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:48:33] | Jester05: | hmmm |
| [04:48:59] | Jester05: | computer seems to freeze up when I'm trying to access the digital tuner tuning unencrypted cable |
| [04:49:17] | Jester05: | error: video framebuffer failed too many times |
| [04:49:43] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [04:49:48] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:49:50] | Jester05: | not nice |
| [04:49:52] | Jester05: | shit |
| [04:49:54] | Jester05: | its all shit |
| [04:49:55] | Jester05: | lol |
| [04:50:09] | Jester05: | now i have to go ssh into mythtv-setup and change which station that card starts at |
| [04:50:18] | Jester05: | i should have set the preset b4 tho.. |
| [04:50:44] | Jester05: | I'm using my slave backend to experiment with tuning unencrypted digital cable |
| [04:50:52] | Jester05: | needless to say, its an upward battle |
| [04:52:04] | iamlindoro: | Jester05, You need to please read the channel rules in the topic |
| [04:52:14] | iamlindoro: | particularly those pertaining to profanity |
| [04:52:32] | Jester05: | sorry.. been drinkin a bit :-\ |
| [04:52:45] | Jester05: | oh the college years.. |
| [04:53:30] | Jester05: | hmm myth doesn't allow for preset channels on my DVB card.. think theres an easy way to hardcode it? |
| [04:53:55] | Jester05: | i can set a starting channel but it always changes to whatever channel i've watched last |
| [04:54:11] | Jester05: | I'd rather be able to hard set it so its always 2_2 or something that I KNOW works |
| [04:54:17] | iamlindoro: | the starting channel is temporary |
| [04:54:24] | iamlindoro: | that value is always updated with the last channel |
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| [04:54:33] | Jester05: | yes I know |
| [04:54:47] | Jester05: | I'd like a preset like I can w/ my IVTV cards |
| [04:55:13] | iamlindoro: | You are using a setting in an unintended fashion with your analog cards |
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| [04:55:32] | iamlindoro: | the setting you are thinking of is for the purpose of using the RF input with an upstream device modulating the RF output |
| [04:55:45] | iamlindoro: | ie a VCR with a channel 3/4 output setting |
| [04:56:01] | iamlindoro: | it is not intended to make a persistent start channel for other inputs |
| [04:56:13] | iamlindoro: | so no, what you want to do is not possible, and we are unlikely to add code to do so |
| [04:56:19] | Jester05: | yes I know but can you not then change it from that "preset" if you do not have the channel changer set w/ an external command? |
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| [04:56:45] | Jester05: | I know it would be rarely used but could I not hard code it myself? |
| [04:56:51] | Jester05: | I would assume theres not much to it |
| [04:56:55] | iamlindoro: | Anything is possible the code is all out there |
| [04:56:59] | iamlindoro: | possible, the |
| [04:57:14] | Jester05: | I may have to look into this after the quarter is over |
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| [04:57:46] | Jester05: | I'm just getting some really strange glitches while trying to watch unencrypted digital cable |
| [04:58:01] | Jester05: | i think its actually encrypted and thats whats throwing it off.. idk |
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| [04:59:48] | Jester05: | i just got an error saying "error opening jump program file buffer" |
| [05:00:08] | Jester05: | i was going from 2_2 to 16_1 |
| [05:00:40] | Jester05: | they're both from the same digital cable source.. but I can tune them perfectly fine w/ a different card that is running OTA |
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| [05:09:03] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: BTW, I don't see any mention of channel rules in the topic. I think they may have been removed. |
| [05:09:32] | wagnerrp: | 'Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC' |
| [05:09:44] | Beirdo: | says nothing about profanity :) |
| [05:10:08] | Jester05: | hey iamlindoro I have a question for you.. what are the odds that we could get IP information added to the machine status when you hover over the MythTV Drive #* |
| [05:10:15] | Beirdo: | actually, it is almost identical to what I originally wrote... about 4–5 years back :) |
| [05:10:46] | Beirdo: | should likely be added somewhere if we are going to try to enforce it. |
| [05:10:56] | Jester05: | it would be handy under the details for each MythTV Drive #x to have the IP |
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| [05:12:03] | wagnerrp: | the host is listed in the directory name just below it |
| [05:12:18] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, Channel rules are in the IRC wiki page |
| [05:12:22] | wagnerrp: | in which there can be multiple hosts listed |
| [05:12:23] | Jester05: | if you fill one backend's record capacity will it do something to spread the load to the other backend? |
| [05:12:48] | wagnerrp: | each backend will record only to those directories which it has direct file access to |
| [05:13:11] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: yes, but nothing about profanity. |
| [05:13:17] | Beirdo: | if you want it in there, add it :) |
| [05:13:23] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, I know the host is but having the IP added to the details would be something of value to have for the details vs just repeating MythTV Drive# |
| [05:13:35] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, "If, however, you were treated rudely, sworn at, or called names, that is a violation of the channel rules which will not be tolerated. " |
| [05:13:46] | wagnerrp: | if you have the host, why do you need the IP? |
| [05:13:52] | iamlindoro: | It's also been one we've been enforcing for ages |
| [05:14:03] | Beirdo: | yes. And what you were complaining about wasn't being sworn at. |
| [05:14:09] | Jester05: | b/c mythbuntu does a crappy job with host association |
| [05:14:10] | Beirdo: | it was a random profanity :) |
| [05:14:35] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, you know as well as I do that it's a violation of channel rules since time immemorial, I'm not even sure why it's worth arguing about |
| [05:14:35] | Beirdo: | just saying.. ya might wanna add a section on acceptable language in general :) |
| [05:14:43] | Jester05: | you know iamlindoro I have to agree w/ Beirdo |
| [05:14:53] | Beirdo: | hehe, because somebody will make an issue |
| [05:15:01] | Beirdo: | and technically it doesn't say it |
| [05:15:10] | Beirdo: | so let's MAKE it say it |
| [05:15:13] | iamlindoro: | and I'll ban them when they decide to push their luck |
| [05:15:23] | Jester05: | lol |
| [05:15:39] | Jester05: | iamlindoro, have you heard 10 yrs olds lately? |
| [05:15:47] | iamlindoro: | There now it says it more explicitly, what a worthwhile exercise that was |
| [05:15:50] | Beirdo: | but anyways :) |
| [05:15:51] | Jester05: | they cuss worse than I do |
| [05:16:02] | iamlindoro: | Jester05, 10 year olds would be held to the same standard grownups in this channel are |
| [05:16:06] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: every time i load up a pub game of L4D2 |
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| [05:16:11] | Beirdo: | there ya go :) |
| [05:16:29] | Beirdo: | sorry, I work for an anal company |
| [05:16:49] | Beirdo: | I guess I just get used to nit-picking and trying to improve deficiencies |
| [05:17:04] | Jester05: | I know I'm just saying.. you say you're doing it to protect the youth which back in the day i'd support you 100% .. just seems like anymore its pointless.. seems like the youth have no moral sense |
| [05:17:26] | Beirdo: | then let's teach em what's acceptable |
| [05:17:37] | Beirdo: | starting with a nice rule... |
| [05:17:53] | Jester05: | it'll be a fruitless war.. |
| [05:17:54] | Jester05: | lol |
| [05:18:08] | Beirdo: | as the busdriver of our high school bus once said... |
| [05:18:18] | Jester05: | sorry.. obama's presidency just has me very down.. |
| [05:18:19] | Jester05: | lol |
| [05:18:21] | Beirdo: | "Watch your #@#$ing language!" |
| [05:18:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:18:26] | iamlindoro: | Jester05, irrelevant. Our channel, our rules. You don't have to like them, but you do have to live by them. |
| [05:18:27] | Jester05: | haha |
| [05:18:39] | Beirdo: | needless to say, he did not get much respect for that one |
| [05:18:41] | Jester05: | iamlindoro, take it easy.. |
| [05:18:51] | Beirdo: | he is, trust me |
| [05:18:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:18:56] | Jester05: | haha |
| [05:19:19] | Jester05: | honestly tho in less than a decade theres been a HUGE transition in how children act |
| [05:19:25] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:19:33] | Beirdo: | because parents just don't care |
| [05:19:38] | Jester05: | and what parents consider to be "acceptable" |
| [05:19:40] | Jester05: | exactly |
| [05:20:10] | Jester05: | my children will have their @$$3$ beaten regularly if they act anything like the kids I see in walmart |
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| [05:20:27] | Beirdo: | oh for goodness sakes |
| [05:20:34] | Jester05: | what? |
| [05:20:37] | Beirdo: | I just finished downloading IEGD... |
| [05:20:46] | Jester05: | IEGD? |
| [05:20:50] | iamlindoro: | Jester05, Turning it in to other characters does not excuse the profanity |
| [05:20:56] | Beirdo: | and it requires me to configure the frigging chipset?! |
| [05:21:07] | Beirdo: | what the heck? |
| [05:21:20] | Jester05: | ohh, sorry iamlindoro I'll use arses next time? |
| [05:21:21] | iamlindoro: | I feel that two warnings is more than enough. So I'll ask you one last time to refrain from anything resembling profanity |
| [05:21:26] | Jester05: | is arse a cussword? |
| [05:21:37] | iamlindoro: | it is in the UK. |
| [05:21:38] | Beirdo: | IEGD = Intel Embedded Graphics Drivers |
| [05:21:45] | Beirdo: | so is shag |
| [05:22:02] | Beirdo: | but I'm not in the UK, and I'm free to call a carpet a shag carpet :) |
| [05:22:05] | Jester05: | sorry iamlindoro I didn't mean anything by it.. didn't think you'd care if it was in characters that you can hardly read.. |
| [05:22:13] | iamlindoro: | I care. |
| [05:22:28] | iamlindoro: | We've had a hard enough time taking this channel back from the people who felt it was okay to randomly abuse people |
| [05:22:28] | Jester05: | alright sorry man.. |
| [05:22:34] | iamlindoro: | I'm not about to have it slide backwards now |
| [05:22:47] | ** Beirdo beats Intel with a stick ** | |
| [05:22:55] | Beirdo: | that was a waste of 130MB |
| [05:23:22] | Jester05: | oh this channel has always been fairly clean.. gg keeping it that way |
| [05:23:55] | iamlindoro: | This channel has been largely profanity free because the rule has been enforced-- the courtesy rule has not been, and so it became a very caustic environment |
| [05:23:56] | Beirdo: | oh good, my ubuntu download is done :) |
| [05:23:57] | Jester05: | haha Beirdo .. dont forget the damage those electrons did to your cat cable |
| [05:24:01] | Beirdo: | just in time for bed |
| [05:24:04] | iamlindoro: | somewhat recently we decided that enough was enough |
| [05:24:24] | iamlindoro: | so we are enforcing the courtesy rules, including those related to profanity, with real consequences for the first time in a while |
| [05:24:58] | iamlindoro: | As I and a couple of the other devs are tired of this channel being the wild west, and of driving away potentially helpful users and contributors with abuse and foul language |
| [05:25:09] | Jester05: | yes but I don't feel that booting does justice.. you should request their mythweb user information prior to booting |
| [05:25:11] | iamlindoro: | So that's the backstory on why I'm a bit of a hardhead about this topic |
| [05:25:16] | Beirdo: | yeah, sorry about earlier. |
| [05:25:38] | iamlindoro: | no worries :) |
| [05:25:48] | Beirdo: | anyways... I'm behind ya. I'll try not to kick :) |
| [05:25:49] | Jester05: | its cool iamlindoro, its understandable |
| [05:26:06] | Jester05: | I've been in some other bad rooms.. hence me having left them to hang out here |
| [05:26:06] | styelz: | i think mythtv has cured my tv addiction. thank you |
| [05:26:07] | Jester05: | :) |
| [05:26:23] | iamlindoro: | We just want people to feel that this is a "safe place" and that may mean erring a bit on the side of *too* clean for a while :) |
| [05:26:40] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:26:51] | Jester05: | yes |
| [05:27:08] | Beirdo: | !trout Beirdo profanity |
| [05:27:08] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a profanity trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [05:27:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:27:13] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [05:27:20] | Jester05: | so when the world ends in 2012 we'll all die with clean consciences |
| [05:27:45] | wagnerrp: | or maybe will just roll over to another cycle in the calender |
| [05:27:53] | Jester05: | lol |
| [05:28:02] | Jester05: | or maybe all the computers will crash. |
| [05:28:03] | Jester05: | oh wait.. |
| [05:28:07] | bonelifer: | The Myan shall return and sell new calendars. |
| [05:28:14] | Jester05: | haha |
| [05:28:16] | Jester05: | haha |
| [05:28:19] | Beirdo: | it downloaded the wrong file from Intel, I think |
| [05:28:21] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [05:28:26] | Jester05: | sorry that one struck me funny |
| [05:28:37] | Jester05: | Beirdo, have you been drinking? |
| [05:28:53] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [05:29:00] | Beirdo: | although it's tempting :) |
| [05:29:08] | Jester05: | bah so this whole tuning of unencrypted digital cable seems to be a much larger pain that its worth, at least atm |
| [05:29:46] | Jester05: | keep getting errors having to do w/ frame buffing |
| [05:30:02] | Jester05: | then again this box is a P4 2.4.. |
| [05:30:18] | Jester05: | You think it may not have the Ghz to pull it off? |
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| [05:30:43] | wagnerrp: | recording, its got plenty |
| [05:30:56] | Jester05: | well it fails during live tv.. |
| [05:30:58] | Jester05: | :-\ |
| [05:30:59] | wagnerrp: | playback... probably not, depends on the bitrate your cableco is feeding you |
| [05:31:24] | Jester05: | yeah.. thats what I was afraid of :-\ |
| [05:31:40] | iamlindoro: | Might be okay if you can throw a PCI VDPAU-capable card in there, though |
| [05:31:41] | wagnerrp: | that chip might do 16mbps, not including deint |
| [05:31:45] | Jester05: | but how am I supposed to tell which channels are working.. |
| [05:32:03] | wagnerrp: | it will play, just slowly and jerkily |
| [05:32:14] | Jester05: | well this just flat out doesnt |
| [05:32:17] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [05:32:31] | Jester05: | when it goes to change channels it acts like it changes but the screen never comes back from being black |
| [05:32:40] | Beirdo: | plugins\com.intel.iegd.drivers.xxx\linux |
| [05:32:45] | Beirdo: | nice work, Intel |
| [05:32:46] | Jester05: | and in a couple seconds it throws an error having to do w/ frame buffing |
| [05:33:25] | Beirdo: | so I downloaded 270+MB for a 40MB tar.gz file |
| [05:33:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:33:35] | Jester05: | HAHA |
| [05:33:48] | Jester05: | sorry.. I'm just pissed |
| [05:33:49] | Jester05: | lol |
| [05:34:08] | bonelifer: | I know the feeling. I've download whole files just to realize I downloaded the wrong file. |
| [05:34:47] | Beirdo: | came as a zip file with a windows installer .exe... then inside, buried, a .tar.gz file |
| [05:34:47] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, allow me to pick your brain.. I have the same card, older model tuning over the air digital w/o an issue |
| [05:35:03] | Jester05: | so why is it having problems w/ unencrypted digital? |
| [05:35:17] | wagnerrp: | dont know what to tell you |
| [05:35:30] | Jester05: | digit cable that is.. |
| [05:35:30] | wagnerrp: | one is trying to do deint, the other isnt? |
| [05:35:41] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [05:35:56] | Jester05: | but the cards are hardware, not software |
| [05:36:02] | Jester05: | i think its a playback issue |
| [05:36:22] | Jester05: | guess the only way to check it is to try to record something on one of the channels that kills it during live tv |
| [05:36:30] | Jester05: | then try to play it back via recordings.. |
| [05:39:50] | Beirdo: | Nice license. |
| [05:39:57] | Jester05: | anyone in here know much about DVB-S/DVB-S2? |
| [05:40:12] | Beirdo: | Intel lets end users install these drivers on ONE single computer, and not distribute them |
| [05:40:22] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [05:40:28] | Jester05: | Beirdo, are you serious? |
| [05:40:34] | Beirdo: | that's what it says |
| [05:40:38] | Jester05: | wow... |
| [05:40:54] | Beirdo: | so each person who wants to use it... has to register and download it |
| [05:41:05] | Beirdo: | once per computer, theoretically |
| [05:41:12] | Beirdo: | so stupid |
| [05:41:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:41:45] | Beirdo: | I think I'll just use the drivers as provided by the manufacturer of the unit. Thanks |
| [05:42:07] | Beirdo: | they have an ubuntu repository for the specific drivers needed for their device, and a prebuilt kernel |
| [05:42:40] | Beirdo: | http://www.fit-pc.com/web/ |
| [05:42:54] | Beirdo: | cool device... cursed with a HORRIBLE video chipset |
| [05:43:06] | Beirdo: | and I intend to make it work as a frontend anyways |
| [05:43:31] | Beirdo: | once it arrives (just ordered tonight, funded by several friends who desperately want it working) |
| [05:43:59] | Jester05: | Beirdo, you know where the setting is to allow you to switch tuning device in guide to be able to swtich between live tv? |
| [05:44:15] | Beirdo: | not off hand. |
| [05:44:22] | Beirdo: | it's a key |
| [05:44:26] | Jester05: | FE or BE u think? |
| [05:44:29] | Beirdo: | but I forget which one. |
| [05:44:42] | Beirdo: | frontend key mappings last I remember |
| [05:45:03] | Beirdo: | but I'm just about asleep here |
| [05:45:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:45:36] | Beirdo: | I am looking forward to my new challenging toy |
| [05:45:47] | Jester05: | got it.. |
| [05:45:55] | Beirdo: | gonna need a HDMI->DVI->VGA setup for now thoug |
| [05:45:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:46:03] | Jester05: | its in FE |
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| [05:46:11] | Jester05: | lol |
| [05:46:24] | Jester05: | ewww VGA |
| [05:46:30] | Jester05: | ewww whats that |
| [05:46:41] | Beirdo: | Very Gross Adapter |
| [05:46:43] | Jester05: | is that like s cereal port? |
| [05:46:47] | Jester05: | haha |
| [05:48:38] | ** kormoc shakes his head muttering about kids these days... ** | |
| [05:48:48] | Jester05: | ;) |
| [05:50:23] | Jester05: | error opening jump program file buffer |
| [05:50:25] | Jester05: | grrr |
| [05:51:58] | Jester05: | anyway to make myth beep when you press a key on the remote ? |
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| [06:42:24] | BhaalWK: | Anyone know of a MythTV plugin for Australia's ABC iView?? Google is not revealing anything new since the last time I looked, but hoping something may have been started since googles last looksie into the intertubes..? |
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| [06:53:56] | brfransen: | Where in the db are the cover/fanart paths stored for recordings? |
| [06:54:09] | wagnerrp: | they arent |
| [06:55:39] | brfransen: | so it isn't done like videos? |
| [06:56:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no direct support for fanart for recordings |
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| [06:56:36] | wagnerrp: | the theme is just set up in a manner to use the images if they exist for matching mythvideo content |
| [06:56:50] | wagnerrp: | or if otherwise pulled by jamu |
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| [06:57:56] | brfransen: | ok, so is the code that determines what file to pull in the theme? |
| [06:58:07] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [07:02:17] | brfransen: | What I am seeing is I have video that has the coverfile named 2447_coverart.jpg but it is displaying for the 24 in recordings even though jamu pulled down the 24 Season 1_coverart.jpg |
| [07:02:52] | brfransen: | I guess it is matching to 2447_coverart first. |
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| [08:12:36] | justinh: | what? we can't say arse now? |
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| [08:13:12] | justinh: | might aswell kickban folks for saying ****ing too |
| [08:13:54] | justinh: | or T9 swearwords like aunt, shiv ... |
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| [08:14:01] | justinh: | duck |
| [08:17:10] | wagnerrp: | could be worse... i head some guy on the radio talk about cards of the oh-ten model year |
| [08:17:20] | wagnerrp: | s/cards/cars/ |
| [08:17:39] | justinh: | 20010 ? |
| [08:17:53] | justinh: | another one of those time traveller dudes! |
| [08:17:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah... and they still didnt fly |
| [08:18:07] | justinh: | that's very disappointing |
| [08:18:46] | justinh: | still though – heartening to know we still have cars then. might mean we still have fossil fuel then :D |
| [08:20:26] | justinh: | wonder if mythcenter-wide will still be around in 20010 |
| [08:20:55] | wagnerrp: | no, but the gant remake will finally be released |
| [08:21:29] | justinh: | but on the plus side I'll at least be dead by then :) |
| [08:21:39] | justinh: | so I won't be round to see it :D |
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| [08:36:26] | justinh: | oh dear God. chief HW developer here doesn't believe the throughput stats I measured for an ethernet over powerline device. He thinks 70–80Mbps is highly unlikely. Maybe he was assuming I tested it between Windows machines |
| [08:36:54] | wagnerrp: | too high or too low? |
| [08:37:00] | justinh: | way too high apparently |
| [08:37:36] | wagnerrp: | even though those things are rated for several hundred mbps? |
| [08:38:06] | justinh: | yes. according to him it's high even for a straight xfer over 100mbit ethernet |
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| [08:38:45] | justinh: | the implication is I just made up the numbers :-\ |
| [08:40:25] | justinh: | if he meant it sounds beyond theoretical limits for xfers between our own units with 100Mb ethernet I'd say that was fine |
| [08:40:32] | wagnerrp: | hell... even windows network shares push that easily across 10/100 |
| [08:40:44] | justinh: | which he might well have done, cos we just don't have the bus capacity |
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| [09:18:18] | justinh: | grrr. wants to see the results over a windows share. which would be ok if iometer would list a drive I've mapped from a share |
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| [09:30:52] | AndyCap: | justinh: sounds like he should stop buying crap networking hardware. :) |
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| [12:00:33] | rooaus: | AndyCap: Nah, powerline communications is extremely variable. |
| [12:02:34] | gbee: | IMHO it's a dead-end technologically |
| [12:06:48] | rupert: | I wish to modify mythrename.pl so instead of using "Untitled" for an empty field, it just uses a bank space. I grepped my whole system and found the following files as candidates: http://pastebin.com/yxdcFz8h can anyone tell me which one I need to modify? Thanks |
| [12:08:41] | rupert: | I would be kinda suprised if it was a mythweb file.....surely that doesn't affect mythrename.pl (I already checked mythrename.pl – grep found no Untitled in it) |
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| [12:09:50] | gbee: | if it's not the perl bindings then it's the default value for that field in the database (so you'd have to modify the database schema) |
| [12:10:49] | gbee: | hmm, mythrename doesn't modify the database, so it's not the latter |
| [12:11:11] | gbee: | it's not mythweb anyway |
| [12:12:34] | rupert: | I did manage to change it last time, but I have stupidly forgotten what I did :( |
| [12:13:19] | rupert: | I'm kinda surprised it isn't in the mythrename.pl script itself, but I did a manual search, a search via nano and grep and it didn't show up |
| [12:13:33] | AndyCap: | rooaus: no, if his boss thinks 70–80 is unlikely with 100mbps ethernet. |
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| [12:20:53] | justinh: | the powerline stuff I've been evaluating isn't gonna be used over the mains but 24VAC |
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| [12:22:52] | justinh: | it'll effectively be fully screened cable too – i.e. 'Pyro' fire rated power cable |
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| [12:43:37] | GNU\colossus: | hi there, people :) |
| [12:43:44] | GNU\colossus: | does MythTV support DVB-S(2) EPG data? |
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| [12:46:32] | justinh: | it supports a number of providers' EIT data yes |
| [12:47:35] | AndyCap: | works fine with a local dvb-c provider here that supposedly bought all their kit from NDS |
| [12:48:44] | GNU\colossus: | fine :) |
| [12:49:02] | GNU\colossus: | is Mythbuntu an OK distribution for y mathv back- and frontend (combined in one machine)? |
| [12:49:11] | GNU\colossus: | s/y math/a myth/ |
| [12:49:21] | justinh: | they're all ok |
| [12:50:01] | GNU\colossus: | great, I guess I'll go for mythbuntu 10.04 then :) |
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| [12:50:24] | GNU\colossus: | (looking for a more full-freatured replacement for a Gentoo/VDR setup) |
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| [12:51:48] | AndyCap: | That wil depend a lot on what you mean by full-featured |
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| [12:52:21] | justinh: | VDR supports & uses full-features DVB cards, whereas mythtv uses X :-) |
| [12:52:59] | AndyCap: | ba-da-bum tish. |
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| [13:51:09] | GNU\colossus: | justinh, AndyCap: by full-featured I mean "more than just doing TV", mostly :) I have "budget" cards only, and use X for displaying video right now w/ VDR, anyway |
| [13:52:58] | justinh: | I figured |
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| [13:53:21] | AndyCap: | GNU\colossus: "more than just doing tv" isn't more meaningful than "full-featured" |
| [13:54:15] | gbee: | pretty much anything has more features than vdr |
| [13:54:17] | justinh: | I think the big thing which put me off using VDR was the fact it all had to be in one box |
| [13:55:07] | AndyCap: | Don't think I ever used vdr |
| [13:55:38] | justinh: | freevo seemed attractive for all of about 5 minutes, too |
| [13:55:46] | GNU\colossus: | justinh: that depends on what frontend you're running. |
| [13:56:00] | justinh: | eh? |
| [13:56:03] | GNU\colossus: | AndyCap: I was looking into vintage gaming consoles and stuff |
| [13:56:55] | GNU\colossus: | justinh: you can have a VDR backend stream content to any number of frontends |
| [13:57:03] | justinh: | maybe NOW you can |
| [13:57:14] | Beirdo: | YAWN |
| [13:57:14] | justinh: | not back when I opted for mythtv |
| [13:57:23] | Beirdo: | oy, mornings happen too early |
| [13:57:41] | Beirdo: | and far too often |
| [13:58:00] | justinh: | yeah, almost daily |
| [13:58:26] | ** justinh wonders what the 'r' stands for in 'vdr' anyway. Rash ? ** | |
| [13:58:42] | [Peter]: | recorder? |
| [13:59:03] | justinh: | venerial disease recorder doesn't make any sense to me |
| [13:59:11] | [Peter]: | :) |
| [14:00:05] | sid3windr: | variable ditch rate |
| [14:00:26] | GNU\colossus: | yeah, very funny and all that... |
| [14:01:17] | justinh: | wow. the OSD now supports antialiasing |
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| [14:02:17] | rooter7: | Anyone have commercial-flagging problems, where it is always completely wrong? Looking for a way to troubleshoot. |
| [14:02:25] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:02:41] | [Peter]: | justinh: it sure isn't a winner in the looks department. |
| [14:02:45] | justinh: | rooter7: depends whether you live in the wrong country or not |
| [14:02:58] | rooter7: | US. Dish H.264. |
| [14:03:24] | rooter7: | Works perfectly on mpeg2 OTA. |
| [14:04:23] | justinh: | h.264 from a HD-PVR over USB? |
| [14:04:33] | rooter7: | r5000. |
| [14:04:37] | justinh: | sigh |
| [14:04:47] | rooter7: | Direct, pure Dish TS. |
| [14:05:00] | rooter7: | Works great otherwise. |
| [14:05:16] | justinh: | still unsupported though |
| [14:05:36] | rooter7: | I gather that HDPVR's H.264 commercial-skips fine, so it seems to be some nuance with the Dish TS. |
| [14:05:57] | justinh: | with trunk? |
| [14:06:04] | rooter7: | -fixes. |
| [14:06:36] | justinh: | mine you I can't remember when the last ffmpeg sync was – that's pretty much the only thing that might have a bearing on it |
| [14:06:48] | gbee: | last week |
| [14:07:04] | rooter7: | I believe he uses Wine for frame decode? |
| [14:07:13] | justinh: | who? |
| [14:07:26] | rooter7: | mythcommflag dev. (Chris?) |
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| [14:07:47] | ** gbee has stepped through the looking glass ** | |
| [14:07:51] | rooter7: | Tried to reach him, to no avail. |
| [14:08:08] | justinh: | why would any mythtv app use Wine? |
| [14:08:16] | rooter7: | gbee: last week for -fixes? |
| [14:08:22] | sid3windr: | justinh: because mythtv users use whine.. :> |
| [14:08:35] | rooter7: | justinh: that's what I was told here Sunday. |
| [14:08:37] | justinh: | anyway, it doesn't |
| [14:08:53] | justinh: | and whoever told you that – either was BSing or you misunderstood |
| [14:08:56] | gbee: | rooter7: trunk |
| [14:09:13] | gbee: | Chris hasn't worked on the commercial detection code for years |
| [14:09:32] | rooter7: | So ffmpeg (libavcodec?), which may be dreadfully out-of-date for -fixes. |
| [14:10:05] | rooter7: | I've tried to pinpoint the mythcommflag dev, but must be too stupid. |
| [14:10:21] | gbee: | rooter7: not out of date at all, it's at worst 5 months old |
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| [14:10:40] | gbee: | no-one is working on, or has worked on mythcommflag in a very long time, not enough interest |
| [14:11:13] | justinh: | i.e. the fruit is too high for people who'd like to improve it, and it works fine (tm) for everybody else |
| [14:11:15] | rooter7: | Oh man. So either it works great for everyone, or no one's using it. |
| [14:11:40] | NetWalk: | anyone using Mythv with Bell Expressvu, i need some newbie information, thank's !! |
| [14:12:02] | justinh: | NetWalk: newbies should read the docs & search in the wiki |
| [14:12:20] | gbee: | it works great for those people that have the interest in working on it, there have been hundreds of people over the years who complain it doesn't work for them, but none of them are prepared to do any work |
| [14:12:22] | justinh: | then come here asking specific questions about things they need help understanding :) |
| [14:12:26] | rooter7: | There is an "Experimental" method selectable. |
| [14:12:35] | NetWalk: | already did that... |
| [14:12:43] | NetWalk: | maybe not enough :-) |
| [14:13:06] | justinh: | gbee: pfff, I'd love to improve it to work better with UK TV.. but setting aside all the time to learn the coding, image analysis... erm... |
| [14:13:46] | justinh: | commflagging is probably one of the most complex things mythtv does IMHO. Black magic as far as I'm concerned |
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| [14:13:59] | NetWalk: | ok, so let's have a specific question then: "what is the best card for BellExpress Vu, using MythTV ?" |
| [14:14:05] | justinh: | lots of other stuff I'll have a pop at, and have in the past :) |
| [14:14:25] | justinh: | NetWalk: define 'best' |
| [14:15:42] | [Peter]: | justinh: most adult entertainment |
| [14:15:47] | NetWalk: | best = to get HD image on my LCD tv, install in a P4 3ghz (not so recent PC), and will be easy to install in Linux distro running MythTV. |
| [14:16:04] | justinh: | I just looked up that it's a satellite service.. so you'll be restricted to capturing the output of a set top box |
| [14:16:20] | justinh: | since there's no way to get the streams into mythtv directly |
| [14:16:33] | NetWalk: | i see... |
| [14:16:43] | rooter7: | Well, r5000. But no 'supported' way... |
| [14:16:51] | NetWalk: | because of the signal encryption ? |
| [14:17:02] | justinh: | no other way you can talk about in this channel |
| [14:17:15] | NetWalk: | yeah yeah, no problem |
| [14:17:17] | justinh: | NetWalk: no, because they don't make any other means available |
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| [14:17:40] | NetWalk: | i don't want to talk about piracy, i understand that point |
| [14:17:43] | justinh: | so doing otherwise means you have to use hacks which may or may not be legally grey |
| [14:17:51] | NetWalk: | OK |
| [14:18:24] | rooter7: | So any way to tease out where the commercial-skip problem may be? |
| [14:18:32] | justinh: | it's not technically piracy but would be a violation of T&Cs, yada yada. Not much to tell those apart til a case goes to court ;) |
| [14:18:40] | NetWalk: | but, if i grab the signal from the top box, i can't get recording feature with channel program right ? |
| [14:18:42] | gbee: | many encrypted services let you use hardware cams and your subscription card to decrypt them, but US/Canadian satellite services require that you use their STBs or nothing |
| [14:18:46] | GNU\colossus: | myth does decode paytv-channels with DVB-S2-adapters with a working CI/CAM-solution attached to it, right? |
| [14:19:00] | justinh: | rooter7: as somebody said on sunday, if it displays OK it should flag OK |
| [14:19:23] | gbee: | NetWalk: with an IR Blaster (basically a computer connected remote control) you can change the channels on the STB and use all the features of mythtv |
| [14:19:24] | justinh: | GNU\colossus: yes, *hardware* CI/CAM |
| [14:19:28] | rooter7: | Hm. Doesn't. |
| [14:19:48] | rooter7: | It does flag, but all gaps are radically off. |
| [14:20:00] | rooter7: | Can't determine if they're shifted or not. |
| [14:20:16] | GNU\colossus: | justinh: ok, thanks for clearing that up :) |
| [14:20:44] | gbee: | NetWalk: Windows MCE works the same way and they actually provide a USB IR Blaster/Remote receiver bundle that's decently priced, well designed and works well with linux – can usually be found on ebay |
| [14:20:45] | NetWalk: | and if we talk about Videotron Analog signal, what kind of card i will need to get the option of recording channel using providers guide ? |
| [14:20:57] | rooter7: | If they were shifted. what could be the cause? |
| [14:21:12] | justinh: | rooter7: so can you seek in the recordings ok? like move 1 minute ahead or back, and it works properly? |
| [14:21:28] | gbee: | NetWalk: you'll have to use Schedules Direct for guide data, their service is dead cheap though, $5–10 a year |
| [14:21:28] | rooter7: | Yes seek forward and back are fine. |
| [14:21:40] | NetWalk: | because for now, all i have is a old Pinnacle DC10, so RCA input, that's it :-( |
| [14:21:45] | Beirdo: | is the video quality crap? |
| [14:22:10] | justinh: | rooter7: you'd have to be absolutely sure the seeks are accurate though |
| [14:22:13] | NetWalk: | Schedules Direct, i'v read about that, thank's for the INFO |
| [14:22:14] | Beirdo: | that's the only thing that I can think of that might throw off comm detection |
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| [14:22:51] | rooter7: | Seems to skip forward 30 seconds on command and back 10, but I haven't confirmed it to be exact. How would I do that? |
| [14:22:56] | gbee: | GNU\colossus: the problem is that many service providers don't use an encryption for which hardware cams exist, or don't provide cams, or prevent their subscription cards working with any device other than their STBs |
| [14:23:17] | justinh: | rooter7: record a channel with an onscreen clock or something |
| [14:23:18] | rooter7: | Video quality is as good as Dish serves up. |
| [14:23:25] | Beirdo: | providers are evil :) |
| [14:23:29] | rooter7: | I'm recording their TS directly. |
| [14:23:44] | Beirdo: | rooter7: OK then |
| [14:24:04] | Beirdo: | obviously the algorithms don't like the content much |
| [14:24:20] | rooter7: | I'll try and confirm skip forward/back are accurate. |
| [14:24:33] | Beirdo: | yup, good idea |
| [14:25:02] | rooter7: | It does set flags at intervals through the show which look plausible, but they are completely wrong. |
| [14:25:40] | NetWalk: | another quick question, is it better to install MythTV to ubuntu or opensuse ? (i'm already familar with Opensuse) |
| [14:25:58] | justinh: | then opensuse |
| [14:26:06] | Beirdo: | NetWalk: to whatever has the required prerequisites and will run |
| [14:26:12] | Beirdo: | use what ya like :) |
| [14:26:14] | NetWalk: | no difference of performance ? |
| [14:26:20] | justinh: | why would there be? |
| [14:26:26] | rooter7: | Ubuntu is an African word meaning, "I can't configure Debian." |
| [14:26:39] | GNU\colossus: | gbee: well, I have my crap already working with VDR, and I guess most (if not all) of that decrypting stuff happens in the DVB driver lay anyway – so I should be fine with myth, right= |
| [14:26:48] | Beirdo: | the only possible difference would be if they use different versions of libraries |
| [14:26:50] | NetWalk: | don't know, maybe mythtv was optimize to run with Mysql running on ubuntu, wondering ;-) |
| [14:26:58] | justinh: | pfft |
| [14:27:10] | justinh: | mythtv has no affiliation with any distro |
| [14:27:15] | NetWalk: | ok |
| [14:27:20] | NetWalk: | good |
| [14:27:49] | NetWalk: | i just successfully install last night XBMC, verry cool opensource project |
| [14:27:58] | NetWalk: | but now, i need TV recording stuff |
| [14:28:17] | NetWalk: | on the same box... |
| [14:28:27] | justinh: | MEH |
| [14:28:39] | justinh: | oops. that was unneccesary |
| [14:28:53] | AndyCap: | GNU\colossus: if you have a hardware cam no problem, and yes, mythtv expects a readable transport stream from the driver. |
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| [14:29:56] | GNU\colossus: | fine :) |
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| [14:30:32] | justinh: | I lost count of the number of times I successfully installed 'other' "media center" apps. Seeing them actually working has been an altogether different experience, however |
| [14:31:04] | justinh: | not sure ANY of these apps qualify to even call themselves a 'media center' when none of them actually record teevees |
| [14:31:18] | NetWalk: | but seriously, xbmc with aeon skin is nice, no? |
| [14:31:28] | justinh: | you're right. No it isn't |
| [14:31:37] | NetWalk: | baaaaa |
| [14:31:43] | AndyCap: | justinh: warez-central |
| [14:31:49] | NetWalk: | you have something else to propose? |
| [14:31:50] | j-rod: | I like the stock theme better than aeon |
| [14:32:06] | justinh: | text is too small to read.. infact none of the latest skins are readable on SDTV |
| [14:32:18] | NetWalk: | agree that "aeon" slow down a bit my xbmc |
| [14:32:29] | NetWalk: | maybe because it run on P4 with 1gb ram :-( |
| [14:32:48] | justinh: | and the animations just seem jerky even on a 1.6Ghz Core duo laptop with 2GB Ram |
| [14:32:56] | AndyCap: | NetWalk: well, it was developed on a 733Mhz P3 with far less ram :) |
| [14:33:07] | justinh: | the UI just sits there with the RSS scroller going & it's using 50% CPU |
| [14:33:23] | NetWalk: | just stop it (rss) :-) |
| [14:33:24] | j-rod: | justinh: linux and with what video driver? |
| [14:33:53] | j-rod: | half the problem is shit opengl under linux in many cases |
| [14:34:12] | j-rod: | it runs quite well on my core duo 1.66 mac mini under mac os x |
| [14:34:42] | j-rod: | less smooth on my core 2 duo 2.2GHz thinkpad (w/x3100 intel graphics) under linux |
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| [14:38:28] | justinh: | NetWalk: if the UI is eating 50% CPU, it's junk |
| [14:38:47] | justinh: | and never tried it on linux |
| [14:39:09] | justinh: | it's bad enough on windows.. I hate to think... |
| [14:39:25] | j-rod: | wow, its that bad for you on *windows*? |
| [14:40:00] | gbee: | there is nothing stopping anyone creating a theme like Aeon for mythtv, apart from laziness |
| [14:40:05] | j-rod: | (never tried it under windows myself, don't have a baseline, but I'd assumed with superior opengl drivers there, it'd be less crap) |
| [14:40:30] | justinh: | gbee: it's not so much the graphics people want.. it's the stupid animations |
| [14:41:20] | gbee: | well if more people showed an interest in theming maybe I'd be motivated to complete the animation capabilities of mythui |
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| [14:42:42] | justinh: | pity I lost my mojo |
| [14:42:50] | NetWalk is now known as NetWalk_WAY | |
| [14:43:21] | ** j-rod has an interest, just no time ** | |
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| [14:51:46] | justinh: | tbh I was surprised there was even the amount of interest in the theming competition |
| [14:52:42] | gbee: | well clearly I was too optimistic |
| [14:54:07] | justinh: | it's kind of a chicken & egg scenario |
| [14:55:09] | gbee: | if I can find the time to develop one of my many theme ideas, show off even more of mythui, maybe it will encourage others to try .... hah |
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| [15:01:12] | Beirdo: | I'm not graphically inclined, so I can't help out there :) |
| [15:01:16] | Beirdo: | sorry |
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| [15:04:32] | j-rod: | kormoc/xris: yeah, build is still busted on 10.6 |
| [15:04:57] | gbee: | neither am I, I can't draw at all |
| [15:05:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee: How many more do I have to do to get animation? Is there a layaway plan? ;) |
| [15:06:08] | gbee: | iamlindoro: heh, lack of animation hasn't got anything to do with the number of themes really, I'm just trying to encourage more people to theme ;) |
| [15:06:31] | iamlindoro: | understood |
| [15:07:01] | iamlindoro: | I may have at least one more in me-- though I am likely to keep it private (or at least not with the myth source) to preserve my sanity |
| [15:07:05] | justinh: | I really want to finish concept sometime before I really lose the motivation to hang onto the files |
| [15:07:11] | iamlindoro: | unsubscribing from users was a big step in the right direction, though |
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| [15:07:50] | gbee: | I don't even know what the themes I create are going to look like, there is no masterplan, I start with an entirely blank canvas and just throw things together until I start to like it and see a pattern emerging |
| [15:08:04] | justinh: | nothing I've seen in the competition entries has made me think "hmmm, I want to use that" & the majority of the new stuff is HD only |
| [15:09:22] | justinh: | god how do I always get dragged into talking about themes? arghhh |
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| [15:12:23] | gbee: | that's the one thing that I'm disappointed about, I was hoping the competition would produce a theme I'd actually like to use, but LCARS/Childish are targetting specific audiences and aren't for me |
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| [15:13:08] | justinh: | it's a little sad. I wasn't optimistic but that didn't mean I wasn't hoping there'd be more interest |
| [15:13:10] | gbee: | I've not really looked at the third, but from the description it doesn't really sound like what I was looking for |
| [15:13:56] | justinh: | how do open source projects keep people interested in innovating? |
| [15:14:34] | justinh: | why do folks leave? wonder if there's anything the community could do better. Other than just stopping whining about stuff by direct emails ;-) |
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| [15:15:07] | justinh: | mepo-wide had a lot of fans.. wonder whatever became of that |
| [15:15:32] | gbee: | considering the prizes I thought there would be more interest, but it has demonstrated something to me, if very decent hardware isn't enough to get people spending their time theming, then those of us willing to work for nothing at all are a very rare breed |
| [15:16:19] | justinh: | before OSS stuff really took off like it has, yer developers were yer users |
| [15:16:55] | ** jams couldn't even name one of the prizes ** | |
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| [15:18:51] | gbee: | yeah, well I suppose that's one of the problems, no-one reads the news on the website |
| [15:19:30] | ** justinh blames distros for cutting out the middleman :) ** | |
| [15:20:12] | justinh: | gbee: it's bumloads of work to do for a capture device or SD t-shirt |
| [15:20:27] | justinh: | so the prizes would've been less than an incentive IMHO |
| [15:20:54] | ** iamlindoro did his best to find lots of prizes-- begged, pleaded, and cajoled... but idn't get a lot of support ** | |
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| [15:21:10] | iamlindoro: | so capture devices were the best I managed |
| [15:21:13] | iamlindoro: | oh well |
| [15:21:16] | justinh: | maybe a sweetener, but 40+ hours of work is worth a lot of money to me. so for anybody to do it it's mostly love they're doing it for |
| [15:21:37] | justinh: | people are lazy :) |
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| [15:22:21] | justinh: | now if you'd said we're looking for a new name for "video sources" & the prizes for chosen wording... ;-) |
| [15:22:29] | justinh: | you'd have been snowed under :D |
| [15:23:02] | justinh: | all I'm trying to say is that FWIW the prizes wouldn't be what'd make me decide to enter.. had I qualified |
| [15:23:14] | j-rod: | think I might finally see the answer I've been hunting for… mac os x build fails w/a message about HideMenuBar and ShowMenuBar not being defined |
| [15:23:29] | j-rod: | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/faqs/faq.2007-04-25.6821893636 |
| [15:23:40] | j-rod: | they were qt 3.x-isms |
| [15:24:02] | j-rod: | seemingly finally deprecated out of existence in the latest qt |
| [15:24:13] | iamlindoro: | Speaking as the only person to write a non-incentivized theme this cycle, it's frustrating to have put the work into the competition and have people offer their two cents about how it was run at this late date |
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| [15:24:36] | iamlindoro: | Four months ago would have been an excellent time to come forward with ideas on how better to run it |
| [15:24:41] | justinh: | I said that at the time |
| [15:24:44] | iamlindoro: | or better still, with prizes |
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| [15:25:49] | justinh: | all I was saying is, it's LOADS of work. Nobody was gonna go "ooo I can get a HDPVR, all I have to do is 50+ hours of hard graft" IMHO |
| [15:26:22] | justinh: | that's not to be taken as a slight. You did well to get people to put up the prizes they offered |
| [15:26:45] | Beirdo: | maybe we can do even better next time :) |
| [15:26:45] | justinh: | better than well. damn near impossible in this economic climate |
| [15:27:48] | justinh: | if I'd entered I think the only prize I'd have been concerned about was the possibility of the entry being included in the project |
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| [15:28:26] | justinh: | bah I'm just repeating what I said yonks ago & fat lot of good it is now anyway |
| [15:28:30] | AndyCap: | justinh: rentacoder and 99designs says otherwise. |
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| [15:28:56] | justinh: | eh? people do 40+ hours of work for < $300 ? |
| [15:28:57] | Beirdo: | well, we could put in a rentacoder job to pay someone to do it :) |
| [15:28:59] | AndyCap: | then again, they're bordering on explotation. |
| [15:29:07] | Beirdo: | yes, sure they do |
| [15:29:14] | justinh: | mind you, in some places that's like a year's wages |
| [15:29:18] | Beirdo: | rentacoder, odesk, you name it |
| [15:29:34] | AndyCap: | odesk seems particularly nasty |
| [15:29:46] | Beirdo: | odesk is OK if you are choosy |
| [15:29:47] | wagnerrp: | thats like minimum wage around here |
| [15:30:11] | justinh: | yeah but you don't get good graphic designers on min. wage ;-) |
| [15:30:13] | AndyCap: | I see the ZOMG WOW L@@K disease has come to 99designs. |
| [15:30:32] | Beirdo: | which reminds me... got an odesk project I need to work on tonight :) |
| [15:30:33] | AndyCap: | justinh: heh, there are long discussions about that on that internet thing |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | justinh: you might be able to... if yer lucky :) |
| [15:31:01] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [15:32:16] | justinh: | damnit. never get involved helping somebody to write a eulogy |
| [15:32:37] | justinh: | can you just see if you can talk somebody out of saying "she was unique, and unlike any other" |
| [15:32:55] | Beirdo: | "just like everyone else is" |
| [15:32:57] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [15:33:13] | AndyCap: | a cog in the machine |
| [15:33:46] | wagnerrp: | a mindless drone stuck at mid-level management |
| [15:33:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, I don't think the family will appreciate Pink Floyd-like references to meaningless |
| [15:33:54] | jamesd2: | justinh, sure so and so was an identical tripplet ;-) |
| [15:34:27] | wagnerrp: | everyone will appreciate pink floyd |
| [15:34:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:34:37] | ** wagnerrp thinks the funeral needs a laser light show ** | |
| [15:35:05] | Beirdo: | Oh great |
| [15:35:10] | justinh: | last thing it needs is one plucked note fed into a delay loop |
| [15:35:19] | Beirdo: | now I have Pink Floyd – Money rinning through my head |
| [15:35:23] | Beirdo: | running rather |
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| [15:37:09] | Beirdo: | better than the previous inhabitant, I guess |
| [15:37:17] | Beirdo: | Queen/Bowie – Under Pressure |
| [15:37:18] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:37:20] | AndyCap: | my brain is playing Time. |
| [15:37:34] | justinh: | Beirdo: oh you've not heard the Jedward/Vanilla Ice version? ;-O |
| [15:38:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, I've heard his crap :) I've also seen him (on Much Music) trashing a video tape of the video for that abomination |
| [15:38:24] | gbee: | prefer Under Pressure to Money, by quite a wide margin |
| [15:38:27] | Beirdo: | he himself hates it |
| [15:38:36] | Beirdo: | now anyways :) |
| [15:39:01] | gbee: | I guess that would be the original, Vanilla Ice has covered Under Pressure? |
| [15:39:03] | Beirdo: | gbee, well... Under Pressure is kinda the story of my work day. :) |
| [15:39:18] | Beirdo: | he ripped it off to make Ice Ice Baby |
| [15:39:33] | AndyCap: | gbee: well, I guess the term used was "sampling" |
| [15:39:44] | gbee: | Beirdo: oh, well obviously, I thought we were talking about a complete cover of the original |
| [15:39:49] | Beirdo: | I like my explanation better :) |
| [15:39:53] | justinh: | yeah & some pop factor puppets have 'covered' under pressure & brought Vanilla Ice along |
| [15:40:05] | justinh: | s/covered/murdered/ |
| [15:40:23] | Beirdo: | I prefer the original :) |
| [15:40:28] | Beirdo: | I must be an old fogie |
| [15:40:43] | gbee: | glad I've not heard that then, don't want Bowie/Queen songs ruined for me that way :) |
| [15:41:00] | justinh: | way to ruin a bowie song, get brian may involved |
| [15:41:26] | justinh: | way to ruin a queen song, get Ben Elton involved :D |
| [15:42:20] | ** AndyCap goes looking for 12 inches of snow. ** | |
| [15:43:07] | Beirdo: | I like Metallica's cover of Stone Cold Crazy |
| [15:43:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [15:56:00] | gbee: | with the advent of HD, it's amusing that prop makers seemingly haven't realised that they can't just insert jibberish or unrelated text into newspapers because it's now readable |
| [15:57:06] | gbee: | Heroes the other day, headline "Hero Paramedic Saves Family of Four", text beneath that looks like an extract from the children's book CHarlotte's web or something, talking about Pig pens and spiders |
| [15:57:34] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [15:58:43] | justinh: | or maybe they think that the story content should be enough to keep people distracted from minute details like that ;-) |
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| [15:59:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Heroes script is gibberish, why not the props? |
| [15:59:55] | justinh: | grrr. Print on A3 I told GIMP. Which is dutifully did. In the corner |
| [15:59:55] | AndyCap: | justinh: the PVR will fix that |
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| [16:03:28] | jams: | just revisiting the rentacoder discussion. There is a job posted to login to a linux server and delete files. They will provide a list of files to delete. Seems a bit shady to me |
| [16:04:01] | sid3windr: | rm -rf /* |
| [16:04:04] | sid3windr: | the files will be gone. |
| [16:04:04] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [16:04:06] | justinh: | it's ok. the files are on my theme server |
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| [16:06:25] | gbee: | jams: very shady |
| [16:07:51] | AndyCap: | jams: hehe, someone needs a fall guy? |
| [16:10:30] | jams: | could be... if you want to find out, better hurry bidding closes Mar 8 |
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| [16:14:08] | Beirdo: | jams: that one should be reported |
| [16:16:38] | jams: | Beirdo- http://tinyurl.com/y9xfelp |
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| [16:19:40] | AndyCap: | Accepted bidder economy type: Emergeing.. |
| [16:19:53] | AndyCap: | -e |
| [16:21:55] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [16:21:58] | Beirdo: | I just reported it |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [16:44:27] | brfransen: | Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get the 24 fanart to display in recordings? I have a couple of movies in videos that the tmdb id starts with 24 (24082_coverart.jpg) and it is picking that to display in recordings before 24 Season 1_coverart.jpg |
| [16:45:19] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: Are you running 0.22+fixes or trunk? |
| [16:45:31] | brfransen: | trunk |
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| [16:45:53] | brfransen: | 23578 |
| [16:47:07] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: hmm, This may not be something that can be fixed as you had heard yesterday it dependant on how the image search works in MythTV. |
| [16:49:04] | iamlindoro: | The image hunt stuff is also just plain wontfix since we'll "do it right" for .24 if all goes according to plan |
| [16:49:23] | iamlindoro: | so you can get your 24 in .24 ;) |
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| [16:49:38] | brfransen: | Understand :-) |
| [16:50:16] | gbee: | if they release a spinoff called 72, well you'll have to wait a few years ;) |
| [16:50:21] | iamlindoro: | I totally acknowledge it as a deficiency, though-- there are a couple shows/movies which will produce unexpected results, but the code was definitely intended as a stopgap so I'd rather focus the energies on doing it in a bulletproof way |
| [16:50:50] | iamlindoro: | stupid popular shows with number names :) |
| [16:50:55] | brfransen: | I was just trying to figure out if there was a way I could massage the name so that it would be hit first in the regex |
| [16:51:15] | iamlindoro: | 24.png may work |
| [16:51:33] | iamlindoro: | or possibly 24_coverart mayt get hit first |
| [16:51:42] | iamlindoro: | I'd need to double check the regex to know for sure |
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| [16:53:00] | brfransen: | 24_coverart worked! |
| [16:53:14] | brfransen: | Thanks iamlindoro |
| [16:53:22] | iamlindoro: | brfransen: cool, no problem |
| [16:54:13] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: Be aware that 24 is also the TMDB number for "Kill Bill Vol 1" so as long as you do not have that movie on MythVideo you are OK. |
| [16:54:17] | iamlindoro: | Which of course cuts both ways-- because now if you own... http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/24 |
| [16:54:26] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [16:54:37] | justinh: | sigh |
| [16:54:38] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I finally beat you! |
| [16:54:51] | justinh: | they shoulda thought of that & had leading digits IMHO |
| [16:55:17] | iamlindoro: | Them not having leading digits is totally in our favor in converting to using TMDB numbers |
| [16:55:28] | iamlindoro: | so your HO aside, it works in our favor :) |
| [16:55:49] | justinh: | meh. let them all eat cake |
| [16:55:52] | iamlindoro: | since the .23 TMDB grabber can use both the IMDB and TMDB number formats and easily choose betwixt the two |
| [16:56:27] | iamlindoro: | and finally return results for all movies at TMDb :) |
| [16:56:31] | wagnerrp: | at least until it fills up to 10M entries |
| [16:56:31] | iamlindoro: | (yay!) |
| [16:56:47] | iamlindoro: | at which point we will have long since cut out IMDb number support |
| [16:57:07] | brfransen: | hmmm...I do have Kill Bill...but it was still the IMDB number in coverart |
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| [16:57:53] | justinh: | good job nothing's left up to me these days. everything's just one big MEH |
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| [16:58:20] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: Well do not use Jamu in trunk as it will change you reference numbers from IMDB to TMDB and rename you images! |
| [16:58:44] | RDV_Linux: | s/you/your/ |
| [16:59:42] | brfransen: | RDV_Linux: I had used it for recordings but hadn't on videos yet. I will keep that in mind. |
| [17:01:23] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: You will likely not come across another situation where the Watch Recordings image and MythVideo images conflict, but your renaming does have implications in this case. |
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| [17:04:35] | brfransen: | RDV_Linux: gotcha |
| [17:04:46] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: An alternative may be to rename the TV series "24" image to the seriesid in your EPG e.g. "EP00754231.jpg". The image hunt for the Watch Recording screen uses that name as a last resort. |
| [17:05:47] | brfransen: | iamlindoro: is the recordings images going to be changed in .24 to be similar to how videos works now |
| [17:05:50] | brfransen: | ? |
| [17:06:31] | iamlindoro: | similar in that it will be a database field, dissimilar in that the videometadata and recorded tables are going to be overhauled to bring them into partiy/make them the same table |
| [17:06:41] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: Jamu uses that name format when the real name TV series name would cause a invalid file name. |
| [17:06:50] | iamlindoro: | s/partiy/parity/ |
| [17:07:10] | brfransen: | RDV_Linux: I will give that a shot but since it is a last resort wouldn't it still grab the 24082_coverart first? |
| [17:07:48] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: I am just fishing for an alternative I have not tried it out;) |
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| [17:15:45] | brfransen: | RDV_Linux: changing to the seriesid didn't work. It picked the 24082_coverart. |
| [17:16:06] | RDV_Linux: | brfransen: oh well it was a shot |
| [17:16:15] | brfransen: | yes it was |
| [17:16:26] | brfransen: | thanks |
| [17:16:30] | RDV_Linux: | np |
| [17:17:33] | justinh: | maybe I do need to make a new theme. my life seems so empty when I only have recordings to delete |
| [17:23:20] | Beirdo: | justinh: you are always welcome to :) many people enjoy your themes :) |
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| [18:00:32] | zkab: | when i include MythVideo-plugin then 'make' gives me error: /usr/local/include/mythtv/util.h:17:24: error: mythsystem.h: No such file or directory |
| [18:01:04] | shadash: | check out the first comment here. It really made me laugh... http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/15 . . . anoparticles |
| [18:02:27] | zkab: | but /home/mythtv/tv/mythtv/libs/libmythui/mythsystem.h and /usr/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythsystem.h and /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythsystem.h are there |
| [18:02:42] | sphery: | zkab: you need to install mythtv before you build mythplugins |
| [18:03:01] | wagnerrp: | so theres another complaint about commflagging of h.264 content under 0.22 |
| [18:03:06] | sphery: | zkab: also you need to uninstall all the garbage from the distro-provided install |
| [18:03:31] | sphery: | zkab: i.e. you don't want mythtv in both /usr/local *and* /usr (especially with different SVN revisions, or worse, different versions) |
| [18:03:37] | wagnerrp: | as much as i want to call this completely bogus |
| [18:03:45] | zkab: | OK – thanks ... learn more and more |
| [18:04:39] | wagnerrp: | someone with more knowledge of the internals of ffmpeg (read 'any') want to comment on whether the updated libraries in 0.22 could have significantly altered commflagging accuracy |
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| [18:06:07] | iamlindoro: | FWIW my HD-PVR captures commflag without issue, even on current trunk |
| [18:06:12] | iamlindoro: | though obviously that's not .22 |
| [18:06:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but it was the same version of ffmpeg all the way up until a couple weeks ago |
| [18:06:34] | zkab: | sphery: I have --prefix=/usr/local in configure for mythtv, mythplugins and myththemes ... is that OK ? |
| [18:07:48] | wagnerrp: | if you want to install to /usr/local, sure |
| [18:08:13] | zkab: | OK – thanks again |
| [18:08:41] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i mean youve had perfectly fine commflagging with the same library as 0.22 |
| [18:08:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [18:09:12] | iamlindoro: | I never had an issue-- I'm wondering if these same people are encountering the ongoing-broken-seektable issue that a few people have reported |
| [18:09:26] | iamlindoro: | ie, the flagging may be accurate, but offset/screwed up in relation to the seektable |
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| [18:09:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, because the two reports are from pre-encoded streams captured straight from the provider |
| [18:11:14] | wagnerrp: | the first was from a hacked and wholly unsupported r5000 user, but the latest one on -users was stock over IPTV |
| [18:11:59] | wagnerrp: | odd that it worked in 0.21, but not 0.22 |
| [18:12:20] | wagnerrp: | and i dont consider myself anything like knowledgeable enough to claim a regression |
| [18:14:47] | Netwalk: | is there anything i can do with MythTV and a Pinnacle DC10 card ? |
| [18:15:08] | wagnerrp: | Netwalk: depends on whether linuxtv.org lists it as a supported capture device |
| [18:15:29] | Netwalk: | linuxtv.org, let's have a look |
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| [18:20:01] | dustybin: | imagine your mythtv backend was one of these |
| [18:20:02] | dustybin: | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-g . . . er-plus.aspx |
| [18:20:07] | dustybin: | just plug in a usb tv card |
| [18:20:45] | wagnerrp: | since when does the average desktop computer pull 175 watts |
| [18:21:10] | Beirdo: | is that all? |
| [18:21:22] | Beirdo: | I would guess a LOT higher than that |
| [18:21:48] | Beirdo: | most CPUs are in the range of 80–100W alone, are they not? |
| [18:21:55] | wagnerrp: | TDP, sure |
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| [18:24:06] | wagnerrp: | im currently pulling ~330, divided between two full computers, an embedded computer, two switches, a modem, a POTS adapter, five tuners, and 16 hard drives |
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| [18:24:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:24:47] | Beirdo: | obviously not running at 100% CPU :) |
| [18:24:52] | Beirdo: | but that's nice |
| [18:25:04] | wagnerrp: | it gets up to ~400 on full CPU on both machines |
| [18:25:13] | devinheitmueller: | How much power drawn depends on the hardware confi. |
| [18:25:14] | Beirdo: | not too bad |
| [18:25:14] | devinheitmueller: | config. |
| [18:25:22] | devinheitmueller: | For example, my Dell desktop draws 57W at idle. |
| [18:25:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, and the type of CPU |
| [18:25:25] | wagnerrp: | the 'average desktop computer' is hardly going to be anywhere near half that |
| [18:25:48] | devinheitmueller: | ... and was drawing about 80W before I replaced the power supply and video card. |
| [18:25:52] | wagnerrp: | our microatx compute nodes at work with just generic desktop parts pull ~45W idle |
| [18:25:55] | Beirdo: | my Xeon-based Dell likely idles near 100W+ |
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| [18:26:13] | devinheitmueller: | In other words, you can get cheap desktop computers which are decent in terms of power consumption. |
| [18:26:15] | Beirdo: | it's a hog, but old technology |
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| [18:26:30] | devinheitmueller: | Well the older Xeon stuff has essentially no optimization for power. |
| [18:26:44] | Beirdo: | Yeah, AMD has been quite good with that, and Intel started following |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I make no claims that that machine is at all efficient :) |
| [18:27:11] | Beirdo: | it will lower clock speed when idle though |
| [18:27:28] | Beirdo: | which was a big feature at the time :) |
| [18:27:46] | Beirdo: | bought it from work (a cast off old workstation) |
| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | and oooooh, it has hyperthreading. |
| [18:28:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:28:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the speedstep and cool&quiet stuff helps considerably |
| [18:28:30] | Beirdo: | it needs an upgrade via a stick of C4, but it's my only running computer other than my netbook right now |
| [18:29:10] | Beirdo: | the fit-pc that should be shipping shortly does 8W max :) |
| [18:29:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:29:29] | Beirdo: | how long it takes for me to get it behaving... unknown |
| [18:29:52] | Beirdo: | stupid GMA500 |
| [18:30:08] | Beirdo: | but I need a challenge :) |
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| [18:44:58] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: slightly less than ? ? |
| [18:45:24] | Beirdo: | muh? |
| [18:45:53] | AndyCap: | GMA 500 is very evil. :) |
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| [18:46:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: better idea |
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| [18:46:58] | wagnerrp: | screw the GMA500 |
| [18:47:07] | wagnerrp: | help with the crystalhd stuff |
| [18:47:19] | wagnerrp: | and just toss in a minipcie card |
| [18:50:15] | zkab: | sphery,wagnerrp: I built mythtv before mythplugins ... still I receive errors from 'make' in mythplugins (mythtv.pastebin.ca/1807129) |
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| [18:50:29] | wagnerrp: | zkab: have you installed mythtv? |
| [18:51:28] | zkab: | I made: ./configure, make, sudo make install ... what more |
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| [18:51:51] | zkab: | and before that make clean |
| [18:51:54] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: supporting vaapi will be useful for more than just GMA500 |
| [18:52:23] | Beirdo: | and if someone ships me other gear, I may find time to work on other stuff too :) |
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| [18:52:43] | wagnerrp: | zkab: thats it, you should be able to build the plugins once you install mythtv |
| [18:52:49] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: anything in particular? |
| [18:52:51] | devinheitmueller: | vaapi will be good for other Intel chips too (i.e. 945, 965, etc) as well as AMD acceleration. |
| [18:53:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: that chipset actually supports VAAPI in current function? not just in future claims? |
| [18:53:21] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: precisely... and soon, the CrystalHD is likely to be added too |
| [18:53:31] | zkab: | if I exclude mythvideo in plugins I don't get the error ... hmmm |
| [18:53:40] | Beirdo: | that chipset is the first one supported by vaapi |
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| [18:55:30] | wagnerrp: | lines 25, 31, and 35 are particularly troubling |
| [18:55:36] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to compile this on? |
| [18:55:47] | wagnerrp: | erm... |
| [18:55:51] | wagnerrp: | why are you running qmake? |
| [18:56:47] | justinh: | are there any intel platforms that'll do h264? |
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| [18:56:58] | Beirdo: | justinh: yes. |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:57:07] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the GMA500, and X4500 |
| [18:57:25] | justinh: | typical. not one I've got :) |
| [18:58:29] | wagnerrp: | zkab: why are you running qmake? |
| [18:58:37] | zkab: | wagnerrp: lines 25,31 and 35 ... I have no idea ... just followed the documentation |
| [18:58:47] | wagnerrp: | what documentation? |
| [18:59:45] | zkab: | wagnerrp: I saw that in the documentation ... qmake mythplugins.pro |
| [18:59:51] | wagnerrp: | what documentation? |
| [18:59:58] | wagnerrp: | i need to know so it can be changed |
| [19:00:13] | justinh: | not had to run qmake for a couple of versions now |
| [19:00:14] | wagnerrp: | just use standard 'make; make install' |
| [19:00:26] | justinh: | ./configure; make; make install :) |
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| [19:02:17] | zkab: | User Manual:Initial Installation says ./configure; make; sudo make install |
| [19:02:44] | wagnerrp: | what told you to use qmake? |
| [19:03:59] | skd5aner: | the old manual said "qmake" for years |
| [19:04:01] | zkab: | i saw it in a tutorial ... i didn't know it was outdated so I can will take away qmake mythplugins.pro |
| [19:04:08] | skd5aner: | I only dscovered late last year that it was removed |
| [19:04:25] | gbee_: | pfft, you can't report videos on youtube unless you have an account – guess I'll just leave the blatantly illegal stuff up there then |
| [19:04:33] | skd5aner: | when you've built myth since 2004, you tend to not go and review that part of the documentation ;) |
| [19:04:50] | wagnerrp: | zkab: im asking what tutorial, so we can change it on the website, or otherwise tell the owner of the site to update or take down |
| [19:04:58] | skd5aner: | gbee: what was the video of? |
| [19:04:59] | zkab: | do I have to make install or sudo make install |
| [19:05:18] | zkab: | I will check where I saw it and come back to you |
| [19:05:19] | wagnerrp: | zkab: that depends on where youre installing to |
| [19:05:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I think you're invisible... |
| [19:05:48] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to use 'sudo' is because the user you are currently running as does not have write permission to the directory you are installing to |
| [19:05:55] | zkab: | how do you mean ... installing to |
| [19:06:00] | wagnerrp: | the prefix |
| [19:06:09] | justinh: | gbee_: I don't mind shopping em :) |
| [19:06:33] | wagnerrp: | if your user has write access to /usr/local (normally because youre running as root), you dont need to use sudo |
| [19:07:13] | wagnerrp: | TBH, the only reason to use sudo is when the user is not to be trusted |
| [19:07:15] | skd5aner: | the documentation said qmake for years, I only discovered last year that it was removed |
| [19:07:18] | zkab: | ok |
| [19:07:40] | wagnerrp: | typically that allows you to open some management tasks to non-root users |
| [19:07:42] | skd5aner: | when you've built myth from source since 2004, you tend to not go back and review that part of the documentation that often :) |
| [19:07:58] | skd5aner: | gbee: what was the video of? |
| [19:08:03] | wagnerrp: | but recently, distros have been using it as a means to protect users from themselves |
| [19:08:05] | gbee_: | justinh: heh, probably not worth the effort but I was reading an article on card skimming and one of the comments noted that people are advertising skimmers (type which fit on cash machines etc) for sale via youtube |
| [19:08:23] | justinh: | jees! |
| [19:08:37] | gbee_: | "atm skimmer" etc |
| [19:08:45] | AndyCap: | gbee_: I guess hollywood isn't interested in that so no takedown notices. |
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| [19:08:55] | justinh: | I still trawl ebay looking for hooky cable boxes & reporting them as selling stolen goods :D |
| [19:09:07] | skd5aner: | AndyCap: hehe |
| [19:09:32] | gbee_: | first one I looked at included price and email, skype, icq, phone number for contact etc, pretty brazen |
| [19:09:54] | AndyCap: | hah, even has "for sale" in the suggestions |
| [19:10:09] | skd5aner: | it must have been for "research only", of course ;) |
| [19:10:57] | zkab: | wagnerrp: I took away qmake ... still gor the errors I mentioned before ... why |
| [19:11:14] | skd5aner: | make distclean first ?: |
| [19:13:06] | zkab: | ok – i will try that ... what is difference between make clean and make distclean ... which to prefer |
| [19:13:06] | AndyCap: | some were clever enough to put their details in the video and not the descriptive text. |
| [19:14:28] | skd5aner: | zkab: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux . . . lean-284353/ |
| [19:14:52] | skd5aner: | I usually run make clean followed by make distclean, just for completeness sake, but probably not necessary in most cases |
| [19:15:41] | zkab: | I check the link and follow your advice |
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| [19:18:55] | zkab: | Great – 'make distclean' got rid of the errors |
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| [19:19:49] | gbee_: | make distclean removes all the config files and makefiles generated by configure, it's a more thorough cleanup and not normally needed, make clean just removes the compiled files |
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| [19:23:32] | zkab: | I have always used 'make clean' but if things are pretty messed up i guess 'make clean' + 'make distclean' is the way to go |
| [19:26:00] | gbee: | if you don't compile often, the distclean is probably the way to go |
| [19:27:10] | gbee: | with make clean you don't have to re-run configure, but without being intimately familiar with the code, it's not always obvious when a distclean is required |
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| [19:37:52] | brfransen: | devinheitmueller: do your latest 950q pm fixes for Myth still require the no_poweroff xc5000 modprobe option? |
| [19:38:57] | devinheitmueller: | brfransen: yes. |
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| [19:39:35] | devinheitmueller: | The fixes address problems with switching back and forth between analog and digital modes, and this is independent of MythTV's assumption that the tuner will startup in under five seconds. |
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| [19:40:46] | brfransen: | ok I was just confused because I thought that the no_poweroff option disabled all the pm of the 950q. |
| [19:40:52] | devinheitmueller: | It's unlikely that the firmware loading will get any faster – it's a bug in the hardware and in fact we've got the Linux driver behaving consistently to Windows. |
| [19:41:15] | devinheitmueller: | The no_poweroff option disables the power management specifically on the tuner chip. It does not disable the power management on the bridge or demodulator. |
| [19:42:06] | devinheitmueller: | You cannot disable *all* the power management, since running both the analog and digital parts of the device simultaneously will exceed the maximum current draw on the USB port and/or burn out the hardware. |
| [19:44:26] | brfransen: | ok...I am compiling now. I have seen the analog fall after recording digital and can reproduce that but I haven't seen the digital fail after analog. |
| [19:45:18] | devinheitmueller: | Well, the behavior I saw (which seemed highly reproducible) was that if you switched from analog to digital mode, the first tuning request would fail and you would have to change the channel in order to get a signal. |
| [19:46:23] | devinheitmueller: | I was also seeing a case where the first time the frontend was started after a system boot, the channel lock would fail if you had the frontend defaulted to a digital station for LiveTV. |
| [19:47:11] | devinheitmueller: | Pretty much all the cases I ran into were exposed during LiveTV, so if your usage pattern involved just watching recorded programs then you would be less likely to see the problems. |
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| [19:49:47] | brfransen: | LiveTV is where I can reproduce it easily but I have seen it with recording programs where a digital program would record and then an analog would record but the analog file would be empty like it didn't tune. |
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| [19:54:15] | devinheitmueller: | brfransen: ok, yeah. Definitely try out the new tree then and report back how it works for you. |
| [19:54:27] | devinheitmueller: | I just wanted to get some people who saw issues to do some testing before I submitted the fixes upstream. |
| [19:55:31] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, it would happen when going from digital to analog too, because one of the bugs found was where the dvb thread being shutdown would power down the au8522 while it's in the middle of bringing up analog mode. |
| [19:56:21] | devinheitmueller: | ... which would result in a nasty hang of mythfrontend in most cases. |
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| [20:10:35] | sphery: | /sb c |
| [20:10:38] | sphery: | oops |
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| [20:24:44] | brfransen: | devinheitmueller: looks like it is fixed to me. I did quite a few analog to digital and digital to analog changes with and without channel changes in between and never saw a failure to tune. |
| [20:25:51] | devinheitmueller: | great. |
| [20:25:56] | devinheitmueller: | thanks for taking the time to test. |
| [20:26:13] | devinheitmueller: | I'll issue a pull request to get that into the mainline later this week. |
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| [21:09:00] | devinheitmueller: | Users suck. |
| [21:09:39] | wagnerrp: | how hard do they suck |
| [21:09:47] | devinheitmueller: | quite hard. |
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| [21:12:24] | wagnerrp: | anything in particular? or just in general? |
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| [21:13:24] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: mythtv-users post on disabling the internal player |
| [21:13:41] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [21:14:00] | gbee: | ... disabling the internal player ... what the .. ? |
| [21:14:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mythtv wouldnt really function without an internal player |
| [21:14:32] | wagnerrp: | ive not yet seen another player that will properly handle a file of changing size |
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| [21:14:44] | wagnerrp: | and there IS no other player that will handle myth protocol |
| [21:15:00] | kormoc: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/424449 |
| [21:15:02] | gbee: | like asking how to remove the engine from a car because you don't really want to drive it anywhere |
| [21:15:49] | gbee: | this is why I'm not subscribed to the -users list and never will be |
| [21:15:55] | kormoc: | Ha! |
| [21:15:58] | kormoc: | "MythTV was originally a music player, and |
| [21:15:58] | kormoc: | then YEARS later a video player" |
| [21:16:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah... that was a good one |
| [21:16:56] | gbee: | yeah, didn't you know that? The TV part of the name has nothing to do with Television .... |
| [21:17:28] | kormoc: | it explains why mythmusic is such a solid core feature |
| [21:17:37] | gbee: | I'd like to know what they were smoking though, must be powerful stuff |
| [21:18:30] | gbee: | does this complaint have anything to do with the fact that mythmusic now uses libav*? |
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| [21:19:13] | gbee: | I suppose if they just want the music features, that someone has suggested running it as "mythfrontend mythmusic" |
| [21:19:34] | gbee: | quicker/easier than editing the menus if you only want one plugin |
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| [21:25:15] | justinh: | get married to the -users list then it'll stop sucking? |
| [21:26:46] | kormoc: | ha |
| [21:26:53] | wagnerrp: | gbee: no, this is just one user who is used to one player and doesnt want to change just to watch recorded tv |
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| [21:27:40] | kormoc: | he'll have a surprise when mythvideo forces the internal player |
| [21:28:05] | wagnerrp: | they just want to use their own player, regardless of the fact that it would be horribly broken for livetv, or playback of in-process recordings, or remote playback, or editing for commercial cutting, or.... |
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| [21:29:02] | gbee: | wagnerrp: huh |
| [21:29:06] | AndyCap: | ah, it was a music player for him and then later he started using the TV features. |
| [21:29:33] | wagnerrp: | he only mentioned mythmusic because thats all he used mythtv for, for several years |
| [21:29:43] | wagnerrp: | not that there was anything wrong with it |
| [21:29:56] | kormoc: | oh, heh, I read that as a statement of history not personal usage |
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| [21:39:19] | sphery: | After all, why should we use the Internal player? Who needs commercial skip, OSD with all the recording info, ability to schedule new recordings while watching recordings, timestretch, ability to handle LiveTV, ... |
| [21:40:06] | sphery: | Now that someone has written a bash script so that we are no longer *forced* to use MythVideo, they should extend it (or write another script) to replace mythfrontend. |
| [21:40:08] | wagnerrp: | just sent a response along those lines |
| [21:41:29] | wagnerrp: | heh, you have to admit doing all that string manipulation in bash necessary to handle metadata grabbing and insertion shows a great deal of effort... and lunacy |
| [21:41:46] | sphery: | yeah, good response |
| [21:42:37] | ** sphery should link him to the MythTV-implemented-in-4371-lines-of-Perl thread :) ** | |
| [21:42:48] | sphery: | maybe he should be using that instead of MythTV |
| [21:42:54] | wagnerrp: | 4371? i thought it was like 1700 |
| [21:43:10] | sphery: | I still believe he shouldn't be using MythTV. He should use Freevo if he wants to choose the player. |
| [21:43:14] | sphery: | er, 1731? |
| [21:43:23] | clever: | sphery: line count means nothing, i could make it a 2 line perl script if i wanted |
| [21:43:53] | wagnerrp: | and one of those wouldnt even be perl |
| [21:43:54] | sphery: | yeah, 1731 – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
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| [21:44:20] | jolaren: | Wiho, just installed all the parts for my mythbackend/frontend wagnerrp :-) |
| [21:44:40] | wagnerrp: | IOMRC |
| [21:45:13] | kormoc: | I really wonder what happened to that guy... |
| [21:45:14] | wagnerrp: | international obfuscated myth replacement competition |
| [21:45:32] | wagnerrp: | bonus points for any code that is its own ascii art |
| [21:45:53] | sphery: | "That would be a shame, but that's another thread." |
| [21:46:07] | sphery: | die, external player settings, die!!! |
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| [21:51:49] | jolaren: | How should I format my drive? |
| [21:52:12] | devinheitmueller: | jolaren: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| [21:52:22] | jolaren: | nono |
| [21:52:25] | devinheitmueller: | jolaren: I'm kidding. Don't do that. |
| [21:52:32] | jolaren: | i have 1 x tb drive |
| [21:52:37] | jolaren: | i just installed all hardware |
| [21:52:50] | jolaren: | i wonder if i should let the mythbuntu installer erase and use the entire disc |
| [21:52:56] | jolaren: | or if i should manually partition it |
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| [22:01:21] | Beirdo: | Ugh |
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| [22:02:51] | wagnerrp: | that would be the answer to 'how do i initialize my drive?' |
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| [22:03:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, that too :) |
| [22:03:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [22:06:35] | Beirdo: | OK, reinstalling the Dell hopefully one last time :) |
| [22:06:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:06:44] | jolaren: | btw wagnerrp i think you were totally right about changin to a 400w psu.. perhaps was sphery who told me that tho but anyways |
| [22:07:37] | wagnerrp: | i know ive told a couple people in here the last couple days their powersupplies were way over spec from what they actually needed |
| [22:08:04] | jolaren: | everythin in this box is extremly silent except from the cpu fan |
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| [22:09:03] | wagnerrp: | that can be easily fixed |
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| [22:09:11] | wagnerrp: | pick up a larger heatsink |
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| [22:10:19] | Beirdo: | or more importantly, a bigger diameter fan :) which comes WITH the bigger heat sink |
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| [22:10:46] | wagnerrp: | well the bigger diameter fan dont do much unless you get a bigger heatsink |
| [22:10:51] | Beirdo: | I'm still surprised at how quiet 120mm fans are |
| [22:10:59] | wagnerrp: | and depending on the design of the case, you may not need a fan |
| [22:11:15] | Beirdo: | true, but the bigger heat sink with a still small fan will still sound like a turboprop |
| [22:11:20] | Beirdo: | true |
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| [22:11:56] | sphery: | jolaren: wagnerrp suggested the size, I suggested (or re-suggested?) 80 PLUS |
| [22:12:01] | sphery: | jolaren: the CPU fan is loud? |
| [22:12:43] | devinheitmueller: | If you can hear the CPU fan, then you've either got a broken fan or a software problem with ACPI. |
| [22:12:57] | sphery: | is it an AMD CPU fan that came with your Regor chip? I've found all of the AMD retail fans that came with my 64-bit AMD CPU's to be very quiet |
| [22:13:12] | devinheitmueller: | I've got the cheapest Dell they currently sell, and I cannot even tell when it's powered on. |
| [22:13:12] | jolaren: | sphery, is it |
| [22:13:13] | wagnerrp: | or intel/amd has started to cheap out on their retail heatsinks |
| [22:13:16] | jolaren: | sphery, it is :P |
| [22:13:25] | sphery: | wow... |
| [22:13:27] | jolaren: | sphery, it is loud, i can hear it from my sofa but it's not "oh my god2 loud |
| [22:13:48] | wagnerrp: | the heatsinks that came with my 939 chips were fantastic |
| [22:13:53] | devinheitmueller: | If you can hear it from the sofa, then it's not working right. |
| [22:13:57] | sphery: | the fan in my Regor (Athlon II X2 240) is extremely quiet and I run my system at 100% CPU 100% of the time (BOINC/SETI@home) |
| [22:13:58] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt so impressed by the one that came with my 5050e |
| [22:14:07] | sphery: | and it's just a plain old AMD retail one |
| [22:14:14] | Beirdo: | hehe... boinc. |
| [22:14:23] | Beirdo: | that just sounds so pornographic |
| [22:14:25] | sphery: | athwarm |
| [22:14:32] | sphery: | oh, that |
| [22:14:39] | jolaren: | devinheitmueller, i'd say it's workin rite |
| [22:15:01] | sphery: | Bekeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing... Less pornographic sounding? :) |
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| [22:15:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, I knew what you meant, but it still makes me chuckle :) |
| [22:15:18] | devinheitmueller: | jolaren: the ACPI is probably screwed up, resulting in the fan running at 100% all the time. |
| [22:15:42] | jolaren: | ACPI? |
| [22:15:43] | devinheitmueller: | Generally speaking, the only time I can hear the fans on my PC at all is when I first whack the power switch before the BIOS has kicked in. |
| [22:15:46] | kormoc: | Nigel's still the OS X build guy, right? |
| [22:15:55] | devinheitmueller: | jolaren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configu . . . er_Interface |
| [22:15:59] | sphery: | even in my system--with the CPU at 100% all the time--the fan is almost never moving at 100% speed |
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| [22:16:18] | sphery: | jolaren: i.e. enable Cool 'n Quiet in your BIOS |
| [22:16:29] | jolaren: | right, will look into that |
| [22:16:36] | jolaren: | i'm installin everythin atm (software wise) |
| [22:16:36] | sphery: | might be other related settings, too |
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| [22:16:45] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually gotten fan scaling to work properly, although ive never tried either |
| [22:16:51] | jamesd2: | running at device at 100% of its maximum speed shortens the life of the device... so best to keep it at 80–90% of max unless you like replacing your fan |
| [22:16:55] | sphery: | and remember that when you put the side on the case, the fan is /much/ quieter |
| [22:17:01] | wagnerrp: | ive just always purchased fans that i was happy with their noise level at full speed |
| [22:17:51] | wagnerrp: | and have the fan vertical if possible |
| [22:18:04] | devinheitmueller: | I guess I've just been lucky. The last two or three PCs I couldn't hear the fans at all (and these were really piece of crap cheap Dell computers). They definitely were not high end or custom built systems. |
| [22:18:11] | wagnerrp: | they dont much like resting on the thrust bearing |
| [22:18:40] | wagnerrp: | which is usually just a greased up plastic disk, and a rubber gasket |
| [22:18:49] | Beirdo: | and yet likely 90%+ do exactly that |
| [22:19:07] | kormoc: | just put a fan on all 4 sides and the top, pointing in! |
| [22:19:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:19:16] | kormoc: | that'll keep it cool! |
| [22:19:26] | wagnerrp: | the only fan i hear on my desktop is the GPU fan |
| [22:19:51] | Dibblah: | 90% of well designed fans don't. |
| [22:19:51] | wagnerrp: | probably my punishment for only buying single-slot cards |
| [22:20:31] | Dibblah: | The rotor is held in it's place by the magnetic field acting on the stator. |
| [22:20:47] | Dibblah: | (cheap, sleeve bearing fans, that is) |
| [22:20:53] | Beirdo: | oh niiiice |
| [22:21:06] | Beirdo: | install ubuntu on the dell... boot up... "File not found" |
| [22:21:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:21:09] | Beirdo: | way to go |
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| [22:21:54] | Beirdo: | they put (hd1,0) instead of (hd0,0) for root |
| [22:21:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [22:30:16] | jmonter: | hello all, can someone help me with mythweb 0.22 |
| [22:30:24] | jmonter: | I get the following error : Warning at /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/db_vars_error.php, line 23 |
| [22:30:34] | jmonter: | require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [22:31:18] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre missing some dependency |
| [22:31:38] | jamesd2: | or your mysql server is hown or backend died unexpectedly |
| [22:31:44] | jamesd2: | er down |
| [22:32:00] | BhaalWK: | Anyone know of a MythTV plugin for Australia's ABC iView?? Google is not revealing anything new since the last time I looked, but hoping something may have been started since googles last looksie into the intertubes..? |
| [22:32:27] | wagnerrp: | BhaalWK: there is none, but if it supports flash, you would write a mythnetvision grabber for it |
| [22:33:12] | BhaalWK: | The actual video content is .flv ... And the site is xml driven flash... |
| [22:33:42] | BhaalWK: | never heard of mythnetvision ... But Im not running 0.22 so that might be why :) |
| [22:33:52] | wagnerrp: | its not part of 0.22 anyway |
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| [22:34:37] | BhaalWK: | Hrm, I will give it some thought |
| [22:35:10] | jmonter: | backend is running and mysql is running |
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| [22:35:38] | jmonter: | using mythtv svn. |
| [22:35:46] | jmonter: | by the way. |
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| [22:41:35] | BhaalWK: | wagnerrp: Looks good, thanks for the idea, it certainly seems possible.. |
| [22:42:08] | ** Beirdo cheers. finally... xen ** | |
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| [22:47:53] | jarle: | What is the name of the tool that creates human readable symlinks to myth recordings? |
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| [22:50:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | depends.... mythrename.pl in 0.22 and prior, mythlink.pl in trunk and beyond |
| [22:52:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | renaming ability won't be supported in 0.23 and beyond. mythlink.pl will just make links, it won't try to mess with the DB. |
| [22:52:11] | jarle: | Captain_Murdoch: so mythlink will not work with 0.22-fixes? |
| [22:52:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | it will I believe. |
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| [22:52:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | it doesn't update the DB, it's read-only unless it's being used to fix the DB by renaming all things back to CHANID_STARTTIME format in the DB. |
| [22:54:02] | jarle: | I have no need for changing the db, I just want the symlinks created.. |
| [22:55:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | smart move. :) mythrename.pl had the opposite idea, by default it touched the DB unless told not to. |
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| [23:15:41] | Beirdo: | hahahahahah. so my domU won't run. I installed 64-bit userspace in it :) |
| [23:15:59] | Beirdo: | I can't win. time to fix the other box then |
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| [23:27:15] | jolaren: | I'm getting "mt2060 I2C write failed" |
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| [23:27:48] | jolaren: | gah i'll just re-install mythbuntu |
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| [23:35:20] | gbee: | jolaren: that's a driver bug |
| [23:35:48] | gbee: | reinstalling isn't going to fix it |
| [23:36:06] | jolaren: | already re-installin, i switched from the open source driver to the nvidia driver |
| [23:36:10] | jolaren: | that caused it all |
| [23:36:14] | jolaren: | didnt figure out how to reroll |
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