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| [00:14:04] | hipitihop: | I have 2 tuners (although not sure if that is related) a few times now I have cued up multiple recordings som of which overlap, and status and upcoming listed them correctly, but found th enext day, most of them or any occured. Anyone experience this ? |
| [00:15:12] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [00:15:23] | wagnerrp: | there is likely some error in there explaining why it failed to record |
| [00:15:46] | wagnerrp: | probably something to do with a moved channel, such that mythtv could not successfully tune it |
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| [00:21:46] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, big log goes back to nov last year, but string search does not find "moved channel" |
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| [00:22:31] | wagnerrp: | it wont say 'moved channel' |
| [00:22:35] | wagnerrp: | the logs are timestamped |
| [00:22:41] | hipitihop: | but I do notice a few and ocassional "DB Error (change_program):" other details and "Duplicate Entry" |
| [00:22:41] | wagnerrp: | follow them back to the time of the recording |
| [00:23:37] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, unfortunately it has occured only 2 or 3 times and each time only made mental note to go and investigate but now can't remember which recordings or when. |
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| [00:25:51] | hipitihop: | so error like this in logs is something to worry about ? "Bindings were: :CHANID=1072, :NEWEND=2010-02–13T15:16:45, :NEWSTART= 2010-02–13T14:22:25, :OLDSTART=2010-02–13T13:45:00 Driver error was [2/1062]: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement" |
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| [00:26:42] | wagnerrp: | certainly something to worry about... dont know what would do that off hand |
| [00:27:29] | sphery: | hipitihop: sounds like either a) you have EIT enabled on a channel that gets listings from Schedules Direct or XMLTV or b) you have EIT enabled on a channel and you're doing a timeslot recording rule for the showing (and EIT moves the starttime) |
| [00:27:42] | sphery: | both are user error |
| [00:27:52] | hipitihop: | says "Duplicate entry ... for key PRIMARY" |
| [00:30:34] | hipitihop: | sphery, afaik I've got xmltv setup(but not certain it is working properly) and I certainly do not record using timeslot, but checking recording rules |
| [00:30:59] | sphery: | if you're using XMLTV, go in and turn off EIT on your video sources ("Use on air guide") |
| [00:31:08] | sphery: | you can't use both on any specific channel |
| [00:31:33] | sphery: | (or, if you use XMLTV for some channels and don't get info for the others, you can disable EIT on a channel-by-channel basis within the video source) |
| [00:31:53] | sphery: | but the rule is /either/ XMLTV or EIT for each channel--never both |
| [00:32:14] | sphery: | (if you disable it on the video source, none of the channels in that source will use EIT) |
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| [00:32:25] | hipitihop: | sphery, is that through control-center or backend-setup.. just running remotely over ssh, so want to know what to run |
| [00:33:03] | sphery: | mythtv-setup |
| [00:33:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | anybody know if it's still possible to drag the trunk mythfrontend around using ALT with the left mouse button? |
| [00:33:40] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: not if it's running in full screen mode |
| [00:34:06] | sphery: | if it's not in windowed mode, it may or may not work--depending on WM |
| [00:34:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | not full-screen, but maybe it thinks it is. I thought I used to be able to do that a few weeks ago, but I think there were some MythUI changes that went in concerning themouse. |
| [00:34:11] | wagnerrp: | using 'alt'? |
| [00:34:30] | wagnerrp: | like, you press alt, and drag anywhere on screen? not just the window manager bar? |
| [00:34:40] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23286 |
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| [00:34:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yeah, pressing ALT with a left mouse click lets you drag a window in some window managers. w/o cliking the title bar. |
| [00:35:10] | wagnerrp: | that would be a no |
| [00:35:22] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: but if Qt::WindowFullScreen is set, most WM's won't allow moving it |
| [00:35:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | used to work, I just don't know when it broke. |
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| [00:35:44] | wagnerrp: | alt+leftmouse is handled just like leftmouse |
| [00:35:55] | hipitihop: | sphery, athanks, also while I have your attention, which log should I be looking at to confirm xmltv is running successfully ? |
| [00:36:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm on a 1280x1024 screen but mythfrontend is 1000x562. |
| [00:36:12] | sphery: | hipitihop: it's run by mythfilldatabase |
| [00:36:17] | sphery: | likely a mythfilldatabase log |
| [00:36:28] | sphery: | the backend status page says when it last ran and the status |
| [00:36:41] | sphery: | so http://hostname:6544/ or MythWeb's Backend Status page |
| [00:37:58] | hipitihop: | sphery, I get "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-02–13 10:04 and ended on 2010-02–13 10:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. There's guide data until 2010-02–22 10:00 (9 days)." |
| [00:38:24] | hipitihop: | sphery, this is something it has always said |
| [00:39:13] | hipitihop: | sphery, hence why I'm not certain if I'm getting stuff via xmltv |
| [00:39:41] | sphery: | hipitihop: that error is usually meaningless... especially if you just corrected the EIT thing. Give it a couple of days and make sure you still have about 9 days of data and you should be good |
| [00:39:56] | ** Captain_Murdoch thinks that just because I don't want a border on my window doesn't mean I'm full-screen, but changing that setting fixed it. ** | |
| [00:41:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | thanks. |
| [00:41:38] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: did you look at the changeset I linked? It's the one most likely to have broken it |
| [00:41:49] | sphery: | TTBOMM |
| [00:41:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | it is I think. because now it assumes you're full-screen if you have that setting set. |
| [00:42:04] | hipitihop: | sphery, I have had myth for over six months, and that is what it always says... always approximately 9 days |
| [00:42:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I can't argue a good case over it though, I just liked my borderless non-fullscreen window that I could move around. :) |
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| [00:45:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | looks like that might cause issues elsewhere though. if people uncheck that box but have a geometry specified that is smaller than full-screen, then it looks like it will hide the OSX menu bar. |
| [00:45:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's just d->does_fill_screen though, not the patch you linked. |
| [00:46:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | that var really needs to be set based on the size of the win vs the size of hte screen, not based on the value of RunFrontendInWindow. |
| [00:46:58] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Right, d->does_fill_screen is based on RunFrontendInWindow, but that change sets Qt::WindowFullScreen unless GetMythUI()->IsGeometryOverridden() |
| [00:46:59] | hipitihop: | sphery, checked backend setup and I have only one source grabber is set to tv_grab_au and frequnecy table Australia |
| [00:47:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm not overriding, I have my size set in mythfrontend's setup. |
| [00:47:29] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: so, basically, it looks like we now need to check the m_screenwidth, m_screenheight, etc. in IsGeometryOverridden() |
| [00:48:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | but the fact that we set does_fill_screen based on RunFrontendInWindow can cause other issues below. |
| [00:48:07] | sphery: | hipitihop: did you disable EIT on the source? |
| [00:48:25] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: ah, that could be... didn't read that far |
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| [00:48:32] | hipitihop: | sphery, still trying to find the option |
| [00:48:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, look in MythMainWindow::Show(), we hide the menu bar if does_fill_screen is true. |
| [00:49:00] | hipitihop: | sphery, still trying to find the option |
| [00:49:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | but RunFrontendInWindow doesn't imply we are filling the screen, it's just to enable/disable borders (unless we're changing the definiation of that setting to be different than the help text). |
| [00:49:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | definition even |
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| [00:49:42] | sphery: | hipitihop: did you find mythtv-setup? It's under Video Sources, then select the Video Source and it's something like "Use on-air guide" |
| [00:49:46] | hipitihop: | sphery, only seems to have EIT scan option when North Americ (SchedulesDirect) is picked as the grabber |
| [00:50:45] | hipitihop: | sphery, there is also an option to use grabber "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" |
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| [00:51:13] | hipitihop: | spherry, so does this seem like I have my available grabbers are little wonky ? |
| [00:51:32] | sphery: | hipitihop: it should be there for both XMLTV and SD sources |
| [00:51:41] | sphery: | hipitihop: but you can always disable it on every single channel |
| [00:51:59] | sphery: | it's not the "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" listings source |
| [00:53:25] | hipitihop: | sphery, is it safe to create another source to experiment ? |
| [00:53:33] | sphery: | hipitihop: should be |
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| [00:55:42] | hipitihop: | sphery, hmm on a new source, I get options eit only, no grabber, north america and then as I cycle it says "Loading XMLTV configuration..." and then returns and drops back to North American.. |
| [00:57:06] | high-rez: | Man, I should get a discounted SD price for all of the corrections I've submitted to the lineup :) |
| [00:57:09] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [00:57:37] | sphery: | hipitihop: may mean your xmltv stuff isn't working |
| [00:58:00] | sphery: | but I don't know anything about xmltv config, anymore |
| [00:58:32] | hipitihop: | sphery, yes I'm just googling for how to setup again... but how then is it getting 9 days ? |
| [00:59:34] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: if you fix the fullscreen flag, chances are it will fix http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7996 , too. |
| [01:00:01] | high-rez: | You're getting 9 days of EIT data? |
| [01:00:16] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
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| [01:00:52] | sphery: | not in the US it's possible |
| [01:01:11] | ** wagnerrp turns on his yoda translater ** | |
| [01:01:21] | hipitihop: | high-rez, wagnerrp ... "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-02–13 10:04 and ended on 2010-02–13 10:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. There's guide data until 2010-02–22 10:00 (9 days)." |
| [01:01:34] | high-rez: | Anything beyond 3 days is an extension to the standard isn't it? |
| [01:01:46] | sphery: | heh... I think the UK has 7 days or something, and when you factor in the "counting" slop, that could show as 9 days |
| [01:02:03] | ** high-rez is happy with SD's 14 days ** | |
| [01:02:11] | ** sphery loves SD ** | |
| [01:02:35] | ** high-rez loves SD too, but hates the lineup failures :( ** | |
| [01:02:56] | sphery: | but that's your cable co's failure, not SD's |
| [01:03:01] | sphery: | OTA ftw! |
| [01:03:12] | kc: | Is that like 12 imperial days = 9 metric days? |
| [01:03:21] | high-rez: | How is it the cable co's failure? |
| [01:03:27] | ** wagnerrp thinks $0.0548/day is too much, and wont stand for anything more than $0.0527 ** | |
| [01:03:37] | sphery: | they're always changing around their lineups/channels/... |
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| [01:04:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: in 2012, I can get it for you for $0.0546--but only because I'm nice that way |
| [01:05:01] | sphery: | of course, there are no refunds if the world ends on Dec 12, 2012 |
| [01:05:01] | high-rez: | Ehh. Changes aren't frequent from my provider – and it seems that unless I complain about them they never get brought up to date :( |
| [01:05:05] | sphery: | s/12/21/ |
| [01:05:22] | high-rez: | <Captain_Murdoch:#mythtv-users> sphery, look in MythMainWindow::Show(), we hide the menu bar if does_fill_screen is true. |
| [01:05:22] | high-rez: | <hipitihop:#mythtv-users> sphery, still trying to find the option |
| [01:05:22] | high-rez: | <Captain_Murdoch:#mythtv-users> but RunFrontendInWindow doesn't imply we are filling the screen, it's just to enable/disable borders |
| [01:05:22] | high-rez: | (unless we're changing the definiation of that setting to be different than the help text). |
| [01:05:22] | high-rez: | <Captain_Murdoch:#mythtv-users> definition even |
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| [01:05:39] | sphery: | someone dropped his mouse |
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| [01:05:54] | ** kc laughs at high-rez ** | |
| [01:05:56] | sphery: | too bad he didn't paste something more interesting |
| [01:06:00] | high-rez: | holy flood, my bad :) |
| [01:06:08] | sphery: | dropped the mouse? |
| [01:06:14] | sphery: | or touchpad failure? |
| [01:06:18] | high-rez: | I was uhh just reitterating the conversation. |
| [01:06:24] | sphery: | :) |
| [01:06:26] | high-rez: | Yeah, I'm going to go with operator error here. |
| [01:06:26] | high-rez: | :) |
| [01:06:43] | high-rez: | I'll fully admit to my button pushing mistake. |
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| [01:07:09] | sphery: | I made an enemy when I had a touchpad mistake like that |
| [01:07:18] | high-rez: | I bet. |
| [01:07:25] | high-rez: | I probably just made a few ;) |
| [01:07:32] | ** high-rez feels a bit sheepish ** | |
| [01:07:47] | sphery: | well, at least none of us are going to be mad about your pasting things we've already said in this channel... |
| [01:07:58] | high-rez: | Yeah no doubt. |
| [01:08:59] | sphery: | I copy/pasted something from a PM that the other guy didn't want seen in here all because of a brush against the touchpad while I was trying to switch windows |
| [01:09:56] | kc: | woops |
| [01:10:04] | high-rez: | I blame it on my overpriced yet under performing Sun mouse. |
| [01:10:38] | sphery: | is it one of those fancy Sun optical mice with the gridded mirror mouse pad? |
| [01:10:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, the x/y offset is working for me whether the RFIW setting is on or off. I looked at the code and am not seeing how does_fill_screen would affect that at all, but I'm not real familiar with that code so I may be missing something. |
| [01:11:18] | high-rez: | sphery: No no no, it's an actual modern sun mouse. I think the ones that required the gridded pad use the old ultra-2 era sun connectors. This guy is USB ;) |
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| [01:11:45] | keith4_: | how long has mythweb had a, um... WAP mode? mobile-friendly version? |
| [01:11:49] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: I think it's the Qt::WindowFullScreen that does it... Has different effects on different WM's. |
| [01:11:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | ultra-2 was in the middle of the era. :) |
| [01:11:52] | hipitihop: | anyone here using Shepherd grabber ? |
| [01:12:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, ah. |
| [01:12:22] | sphery: | pretty sure bfransen was using fluxbox 1.1, fwiw |
| [01:12:41] | high-rez: | captain_murdoch: Indeed, but you know anything before ultra2 predates me ;) |
| [01:13:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | I have a type 5 keyboard and a couple of those mice around because I still have a couple Ultra-5 boxes sitting in a rack at home. |
| [01:14:11] | high-rez: | Heh, my primary server (sitting in 'the westin') was an ultra-5. I took it down after 2000+ days of uptime. |
| [01:14:52] | high-rez: | Its hedgestone reads "It ran pine well." |
| [01:15:22] | sphery: | keith4_: the WAP thing has been there forever (and is currently bitrotting). There are other mobile-friendly skins (including an iPhone/iPod Touch skin) that are auto-chosen for some clients. |
| [01:15:34] | sphery: | I'm guessing you're seeing the latter |
| [01:15:43] | sphery: | the "lite" skin or the iPhone skin |
| [01:15:46] | high-rez: | Is the WAP interface literally like WML? |
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| [01:16:27] | sphery: | keith4_: s/skin/template/ |
| [01:16:31] | sphery: | skins are the colors, etc. |
| [01:16:58] | sphery: | I always confuse MythWeb's multiple UI-changing things |
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| [01:17:21] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you would do with a decade old system |
| [01:17:28] | keith4_: | sphery, maybe that's what i'm seeing, then... using my iphone |
| [01:17:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, sell it on craigslist. :) |
| [01:17:43] | wagnerrp: | of course that thing is still more powerful than the machines used as backends by some users around here |
| [01:17:51] | sphery: | high-rez: I think it was partly WML/WAP, but never really went fully there |
| [01:18:02] | sphery: | keith4_: yeah, that would be iPod-default for you |
| [01:18:02] | keith4_: | I don't know if I never went to mythweb on the iphone, or if it's changed since .22... but i've never seen this interface before |
| [01:18:07] | high-rez: | Nobody is buying ulra4s on craigslist. |
| [01:18:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, 40Mhz I recall. |
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| [01:18:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | nevermind, it was faster than that. |
| [01:18:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | 2xx Mhz. |
| [01:18:35] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: thats the thing, who's going to buy it on craigslist.... i never really understood why people buy old hardware like that |
| [01:18:37] | high-rez: | Heck, I have a really modern machine with 16gb of ram I tried to sell on craigslist and nobody would buy it :) |
| [01:18:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | sparc 2s I threw away were 40 I think. |
| [01:19:02] | high-rez: | We still have a ton of ancient sparcs running in our lab. |
| [01:19:03] | keith4_: | my router is an ultra 2e |
| [01:19:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, put "server" in the title and it will sell. :) |
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| [01:19:18] | high-rez: | Nobody will turn them off because they're afraid someone is still using them ;) |
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| [01:20:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | I brought home an old Tatung Sparc 10 clone about a month ago just for the 2U case it came in. |
| [01:20:21] | high-rez: | Captain_Murdoch: Where are you located? Maybe I'll try to sell my server there – cause in Seattle nobody wants em :) |
| [01:20:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | high-rez, I haven't sold them yet. but am going to post an ad before chucking them. |
| [01:20:44] | hipitihop: | sphery, ok runing my sheperad -ccheck script, it claims it ran successfully .. and checking shephard.log also seems fine.. so looks like I should disable individual EIT channels, where do I do that ? |
| [01:21:21] | high-rez: | Captain_Murdoch: I'll bet you get more money for them from some old nostaglic sun dude than I get from my modern machine :( |
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| [01:22:15] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [01:22:29] | wagnerrp: | i created a recording earlier today, testing doing it with the bindings |
| [01:22:32] | wagnerrp: | and forgot to delete it |
| [01:22:39] | wagnerrp: | (its currently recording |
| [01:23:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | guess it works |
| [01:23:38] | keith4_: | sphery, this? http://imagebin.org/84605 |
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| [01:24:02] | wagnerrp: | keith4_: one of the many remote apps |
| [01:24:11] | wagnerrp: | check on the wiki, telnet socket |
| [01:24:38] | keith4_: | the "remote" doesn't... do anything |
| [01:24:55] | high-rez: | The two iphone apps I've used are mymote and rrgh |
| [01:25:05] | keith4_: | i like mymote. it's quite snappy |
| [01:25:06] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, thats just mythweb |
| [01:25:11] | high-rez: | Neither of which actually seem to work for me. |
| [01:25:21] | keith4_: | mymote works great! |
| [01:25:26] | wagnerrp: | theres a custom display format for the iphone |
| [01:25:28] | high-rez: | Not for me :( |
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| [01:25:40] | high-rez: | I think it has a bug with newer versions of myth |
| [01:25:47] | keith4_: | wagnerrp, it's... very minimalist |
| [01:25:52] | iamlindoro: | nope, works fine with trunk, up to and including today |
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| [01:26:10] | keith4_: | high-rez, i think you Did It Wrong |
| [01:26:16] | high-rez: | I must have? |
| [01:26:40] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: for better or worse, there is no version checking on the telnet socket as there is with the backend |
| [01:26:53] | wagnerrp: | however the interface is fairly static, so it doesnt really matter |
| [01:27:13] | high-rez: | But mymote tries to connect to the backend doesn't it ? |
| [01:27:20] | high-rez: | Or does it just hit 6546 ? |
| [01:27:24] | hipitihop: | keith4_, os nay links to mymote, screen shots, is it a free ? |
| [01:27:48] | keith4_: | of course it's free |
| [01:27:52] | high-rez: | os nay ? |
| [01:27:56] | high-rez: | Is that pig lattin ? |
| [01:27:59] | wagnerrp: | mymote baffles me |
| [01:28:23] | high-rez: | islay inklay ootay mymottay? eenshotscray? eefray? |
| [01:29:01] | hipitihop: | high-rez, heh sorry folks, keyboard has mind of its own ... should have said "any links..." |
| [01:29:02] | wagnerrp: | why does it require avahi? |
| [01:29:21] | keith4_: | it mdns-discovers the backend |
| [01:29:29] | keith4_: | and then queries the backend for a list of potential frontends |
| [01:29:39] | high-rez: | So you have to run avahi on the backend? |
| [01:29:44] | wagnerrp: | no, it discovers avahi running on whatever machine you have set up |
| [01:29:56] | wagnerrp: | if they had just used upnp like everything else |
| [01:30:03] | wagnerrp: | they could actually hit the backend directly |
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| [01:30:27] | wagnerrp: | and not have to hook into the database, or set up some external discovery daemon |
| [01:30:30] | keith4_: | wagnerrp, no. i'm looking at it right now. i have a handful of upnp services running, on several different boxes, and it only shows my myth backend |
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| [01:31:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, it shows the backend, and the backend web server, which you can use to list off available frontends |
| [01:31:38] | hipitihop: | sphery, ok mythbackend-setup .. general, found EIT scanner options page |
| [01:32:43] | hipitihop: | sphery, although does not have general off switch, just timeouts, cross source, idle. |
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| [01:35:07] | wagnerrp: | keith4_: if you find the backend over upnp, you can query the frontends through ... http://backend:6544/Myth/GetHosts and http://backend:6544/Myth/GetSetting?Key=Netwo . . . ame=frontend |
| [01:35:42] | wagnerrp: | no need to use avahi, no need to access the database, just the one address returned by an m-search |
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| [01:42:46] | hipitihop: | can someone briefly describe the correct setup for inputs and input groups when you have two tuners ? |
| [01:43:19] | wagnerrp: | input groups are only needed if you have two tuners that cannot be used at the same time |
| [01:43:30] | wagnerrp: | for instance two halves of a hybrid tuner |
| [01:43:38] | wagnerrp: | or firewire and analog capture off a single STB |
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| [01:49:39] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, so if I have two independent usb tuners.. the it is ok for them to be in same input group and same priority |
| [01:50:09] | wagnerrp: | no, input groups are for tuners that cannot be used at the same time |
| [01:50:29] | wagnerrp: | if you put two completely independent tuners in the same input group, mythtv will assume it can only use one at a time |
| [01:52:37] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, ahh, so that may be the reason why if I have overlapping recordings scheduled and it choses to use both tuners, then this setting may be causing the failure |
| [01:53:24] | hipitihop: | wagner, so to put it anther way..since I have seperate tuners, I should setup a seperate group for each one, but keep same input priority |
| [01:54:27] | wagnerrp: | no, just ignore input groups all together |
| [01:54:42] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt touch those settings unless you specifically have the need to as described above |
| [01:55:45] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, sorry to be a pain but you said "if you put two completely independent tuners in the same input group, mythtv will assume it can only use one at a time" |
| [01:56:06] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:56:10] | wagnerrp: | meaning you shouldnt do that |
| [01:56:19] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt touch input groups |
| [01:56:31] | wagnerrp: | just leave them be and mythtv will continue on its way |
| [01:57:09] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY reason to change then from their defaults is to fix a problem where you can only use one of multiple tuners at a time |
| [01:57:10] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, ok, but since I have two inputs, one for each tuner, the default settings point both of them at "Generic" input group |
| [01:57:38] | wagnerrp: | generic is special, it doesnt do anything |
| [01:57:51] | ** hipitihop suspects he may be belaboring the point, so will just leave things as they are ** | |
| [01:57:53] | wagnerrp: | there just has to be some default value in there |
| [01:58:05] | hipitihop: | makes sense |
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| [03:04:39] | russk: | with mythweb recorded , under Recorded Programs ... when I click the RSS thingy at the bottom, I get require(modules/_shared/tmpl/rss/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory ... Fatal error: ... how can I fix this? |
| [03:13:35] | russk: | never mind about the mythweb problem, I found the correct URL to use for my feed viewer |
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| [03:39:46] | jamesd2: | is there a safe way to add a storage pool to a myth backend not requiring the frontend, or the backend to be stopped, currently recording two shows and the tv is busy at the moment.. watching the olympics but i want to add more storage. |
| [03:40:01] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [03:40:14] | wagnerrp: | just remove some recordings from your exiting folders |
| [03:40:25] | wagnerrp: | either delete them, or just move them else where |
| [03:40:43] | jamesd2: | preparing for the olympics.. only have 170GB free space... at 7GB an hour it won't last long. |
| [03:41:08] | [R]: | the olpymics are on? |
| [03:41:15] | wagnerrp: | started tonight |
| [03:41:29] | [R]: | oh well |
| [03:41:37] | jamesd2: | openning event.. on NBC if you are in the U.S. |
| [03:43:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | jamesd2, you do not have to restart the backend after running mythtv-setup if the only thing you do is add a storage group directory. the next time the scheduler runs, it will see the new directory and start using it. |
| [03:44:37] | jamesd2: | okay i will skip the startup script and run the actual program... |
| [03:46:01] | wagnerrp: | what distro do you use? |
| [03:46:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | as soon as you add the dir and exit mythtv-setup, you should be able to hit the backend's internal webserver @ http://masterbackendip:6544/ and you should see the new disk/directory shown in the list. |
| [03:46:26] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, mythbuntu will automatically stop the backend if you run mythtv-setup |
| [03:47:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythtv-setup.real or whatever they renamed it to.... |
| [04:15:16] | brfransen: | Captain_Murdoch & sphery: I am using Fluxbox 1.1 and I just backed out http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23286 and it did fix http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7996 |
| [04:16:29] | brfransen: | it seems that when Qt::WindowFullScreen is set Fluxbox ignores x and y base and always uses 0,0 |
| [04:19:43] | wagnerrp: | huh... full-screened apps in windows dont remember what monitor they were full screen on when minimized |
| [04:19:52] | wagnerrp: | thats awkward |
| [04:21:05] | sphery: | brfransen: Thanks for the report. I'm not sure what Captain_Murdoch's plan is for it, now, but I think when he fixes the issue he saw, it will fix yours, too. |
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| [04:27:12] | jamesd2: | Captain_Murdoch, thanks it works, though it kept offering to make directories, but failed to do so... and even after i created the directory it still complained but the backend saw the directory and listed free space |
| [04:27:35] | wagnerrp: | did you have write permissions? |
| [04:28:02] | jamesd2: | yes, i changed owndership to mythtv, and when it complained still.. i made it 777 |
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| [04:33:08] | jamesd2: | now, to add even more storage.. has anyone used iscsi with mythtv? |
| [04:33:53] | wagnerrp: | indirectly |
| [04:34:03] | wagnerrp: | my SBE and FE both boot off iscsi |
| [04:34:11] | wagnerrp: | but record to NFS |
| [04:34:47] | wagnerrp: | not much point to recording to iscsi, unless youre using some dedicated NAS system for a single backend |
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| [04:39:17] | hipitihop: | what is the correct ubuntu way to modify the db access to allow other hosts |
| [04:39:57] | [R]: | there is no "ubuntu" way... the just mysql way |
| [04:40:22] | hipitihop: | [R], so I do this ? "mysql -u root mythconverg" |
| [04:40:41] | hipitihop: | I have the mythbuntu variant |
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| [04:41:00] | [R]: | thats not going to do anything but attempt to log in to the mythconverg db with the root user w/o a password |
| [04:41:31] | hipitihop: | ok, just trying to fllow this http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [04:42:48] | [R]: | mythbunut sets up the db itself |
| [04:42:53] | [R]: | those instructions only work if you follow the mall |
| [04:43:06] | [R]: | and seeing as the db is already set up... you can't follow them all |
| [04:43:21] | hipitihop: | [R], yes it's all setup and working ... I'm trying to allow other hosts to connect |
| [04:45:00] | hipitihop: | [R], in short I'm trying to setup mymote on the iphone but although I can see the backend and select the frontend it complains about disconnection so I'm guessing it wants to get to the db to get keybindings |
| [04:45:49] | hipitihop: | so do I need to login in as root or as the normal user |
| [04:46:12] | [R]: | if you dont know how to use mysql |
| [04:46:16] | [R]: | there is tons of documentation on how to use it |
| [04:47:13] | hipitihop: | I know the basics, I'm just not familiar with how mytbuntu sets up the db, rights, what user etc |
| [04:49:00] | [R]: | well this isn't #mythbuntu |
| [04:49:25] | hipitihop: | oops, my bad |
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| [05:21:47] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, i have a ZFS filesever, that has 1TB of disk space.. and its simple to allocate storage via iscsi, and since nfs sucked last week when i did some simple nfs shares via solaris i figured i would give iscsi a try |
| [05:43:46] | hipitihop: | I'm trying to run "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; but I'm getting access denied. I simply want to allow other hosts, can I just change a config file somewhere instead ? |
| [05:44:12] | wagnerrp: | no, you have to send that command to give access |
| [05:44:25] | wagnerrp: | although you cant, because you are not logged into mysql as root |
| [05:45:12] | hipitihop: | aah, I'm logged in as mythtv |
| [05:46:25] | hipitihop: | now how do I know what root password is |
| [05:46:45] | wagnerrp: | the root password is whatever you set it to |
| [05:46:52] | jamesd2: | hipitihop, perhaps there isn't one.. |
| [05:47:18] | hipitihop: | nope, it has one and it is the same as the default mythtv user. |
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| [05:50:09] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, all done .. but my mymote iphone app still complains about remote connection closed.... do I need to restart something ? |
| [05:50:31] | wagnerrp: | ive never used that, so i have no idea what that error in that program would mean |
| [05:50:40] | wagnerrp: | remote connection to what? |
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| [05:50:46] | wagnerrp: | database? backend? frontend? |
| [05:51:03] | hipitihop: | looks like syays frontend |
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| [06:03:05] | hipitihop: | does anyone here using mymote ? does the iPhone have to be jailbroken ? |
| [06:04:28] | tank-man: | what is this iPhone you speak of |
| [06:06:42] | hipitihop: | probably almost OT, but it is a mythtv control app :-) |
| [06:12:28] | hipitihop: | anyone her eusing mymote ? |
| [06:13:33] | iamlindoro: | hipitihop, Asking it every nine minutes is a great way to catch a ban |
| [06:16:10] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: mymote is not an official tool, nor is it something many people in here are likely to use |
| [06:16:19] | wagnerrp: | youll probably have better luck on the mailing list |
| [06:17:09] | hipitihop: | thanks, sorry for the noise, I did not intend to offend/abuse the channel. |
| [06:17:22] | wagnerrp: | its just common sense |
| [06:17:26] | wagnerrp: | no one joined the channel |
| [06:17:43] | wagnerrp: | and there hasnt been enough talk (or any) for your question to roll off anyone's scrollback |
| [06:17:55] | iamlindoro: | as a rule, it should be a matter of hours, not minutes, before you repeat yourself |
| [06:18:17] | wagnerrp: | theres no point asking a second time, if youre just going to be asking the same people |
| [06:18:33] | wagnerrp: | youre not being ignored, theres just no one here who knows anything about that program |
| [06:20:14] | hipitihop: | makes sense, I did not see anyone join but then I do remember earlier someone else mentioned here that's how I got on to it.. but yes I try an be less eager for answers. Appreciate your help |
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| [06:36:26] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [06:36:37] | Beirdo: | why am I awake at 2:30am? |
| [06:36:49] | [R]: | why shodul'nt you be |
| [06:39:16] | Beirdo: | because I need sleep? :) |
| [06:39:51] | [R]: | lies |
| [06:40:06] | [R]: | sleep is a conspiracy from the mattress comppanies |
| [06:40:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:40:38] | wagnerrp: | this message has been brought to you by coffee growers of columbia |
| [06:43:04] | [R]: | the fair trade ones... or the non-fair trade ones/ |
| [06:43:19] | Beirdo: | the ones that also grow coca leaf... of course |
| [06:43:38] | Beirdo: | besides... Colombian coffee is way overrated :) |
| [06:43:45] | Beirdo: | Costa Rican is much better :) |
| [06:43:54] | [R]: | i saw a thing on tv once about the guys in columbia who make drugs |
| [06:43:56] | [R]: | it was pretty crazy |
| [06:44:06] | wagnerrp: | the columbian stuff has more kick to it |
| [06:44:11] | wagnerrp: | especially the powdered kind |
| [06:44:14] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [06:44:26] | wagnerrp: | *hint* *hint* |
| [06:44:35] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:44:46] | Beirdo: | well, if your coffee is beige, it's not pure coffee ;) |
| [06:45:20] | Beirdo: | and that's not coffee-mate |
| [06:46:04] | Beirdo: | anyways... gotta sleep. |
| [06:46:07] | Beirdo: | Ciao |
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| [07:25:21] | artus36: | Hi all |
| [07:25:32] | artus36: | anybody using vdpau here? |
| [07:26:24] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [07:27:29] | artus36: | which graphics card do you use wagnerrp |
| [07:27:32] | artus36: | ? |
| [07:27:51] | wagnerrp: | onboard 8200, 8400 pcie, 8400pci |
| [07:28:03] | [R]: | i have a 9400m |
| [07:28:11] | artus36: | I would like to buy a new card |
| [07:28:23] | artus36: | which one would you recommend? |
| [07:28:40] | [R]: | do you obsessively care about having the "best" deinterlacer? |
| [07:29:08] | wagnerrp: | 210 or 220, depending on your answer to [R]'s question |
| [07:32:15] | artus36: | [R] the best is not needed but a combination that works and makes HD for me possible |
| [07:32:54] | [R]: | then any vdpau supported card is fine |
| [07:33:02] | artus36: | 9500GT? |
| [07:33:05] | artus36: | or 9800GT? |
| [07:33:08] | artus36: | which is better? |
| [07:33:35] | wagnerrp: | 9500 is sufficient |
| [07:33:38] | [R]: | well they are both feature set A |
| [07:33:38] | artus36: | ok |
| [07:33:39] | wagnerrp: | 9800 is overkill |
| [07:33:43] | [R]: | so there is no "better" |
| [07:33:50] | wagnerrp: | arent they B? |
| [07:33:50] | artus36: | 9500 is cheaper |
| [07:33:58] | [R]: | wikipedia says A |
| [07:33:58] | wagnerrp: | no, youre right, theyre A |
| [07:34:12] | wagnerrp: | only the embedded stuff, and the later 8400s were B |
| [07:34:51] | artus36: | then I will go for 9500 |
| [07:34:55] | artus36: | merci :) |
| [07:35:06] | artus36: | passive cooling |
| [07:35:17] | artus36: | is 512 or 1024 better? |
| [07:35:36] | wagnerrp: | 512 is enough |
| [07:35:54] | artus36: | ok |
| [07:36:06] | [R]: | s/enough/all you need/ |
| [07:36:12] | artus36: | ok |
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| [07:52:37] | hachi: | can channels.conf be used to input data sufficient that mythtv can then ask schedules direct what xmltv id to associate with a channel? |
| [07:52:40] | hachi: | without hard coding it |
| [07:52:57] | hachi: | like... can I put the channel number in a field somehow, and then have it get detected that far? |
| [07:53:42] | hachi: | channels.conf seems to want to be a call sign in the leftmost field, but mythtv doesn't use that to correlate with schedules direct as far as I can see, even though schedules direct has that table |
| [07:54:46] | wagnerrp: | MFD will attempt to match what shows it can, but if they do not match exactly, you will have to fill in the XMLTV IDs manually |
| [07:55:05] | hachi: | what does it match on though |
| [07:55:10] | hachi: | callsign or channel number? |
| [07:55:16] | wagnerrp: | callsign i believe |
| [07:56:03] | wagnerrp: | why arent you using the internal scanner? |
| [07:56:03] | hachi: | when I import channels.conf into mythtv the callsign field is still that "Channel 128#0" sort of string |
| [07:56:14] | hachi: | because the internal scanner is even harder to use |
| [07:56:24] | wagnerrp: | correct, because youre scanning digital cable |
| [07:56:31] | hachi: | I'm finding that 50% of the channels it detects are untunable |
| [07:56:40] | hachi: | and mythfrontned exits to the menu when I try to read them |
| [07:56:43] | wagnerrp: | which is not likely to broadcast in-band callsigns |
| [07:56:53] | hachi: | so then I have to go into the editor, disable one channel |
| [07:56:54] | hachi: | save |
| [07:57:05] | wagnerrp: | the 'untunable' channels are those that exist in the program table, but do not have any data |
| [07:57:08] | hachi: | restart the whole bloody system |
| [07:57:12] | wagnerrp: | generally a bunch of on demand stuff |
| [07:57:20] | hachi: | start up a frontend, and try to tune again |
| [07:57:37] | hachi: | to be honest, it takes me about 5 minutes per channel with that method |
| [07:57:42] | wagnerrp: | there is some form of channel editor in livetv |
| [07:57:48] | hachi: | or I can use mplayer to tune the channels using channels.conf |
| [07:57:49] | wagnerrp: | but its not of much use if you cant get into livetv |
| [07:57:59] | hachi: | nor can I delete channels from it |
| [07:58:02] | wagnerrp: | most people end up using the channel editor in mythweb |
| [07:58:22] | hachi: | does that one apply changes without me needing to restart my entire cluster? |
| [07:58:40] | wagnerrp: | depends on the changes youre making |
| [07:58:55] | hachi: | the ability to tune to that program |
| [07:58:55] | wagnerrp: | its better to mark the channels invisible, rather than delete them |
| [07:59:02] | hachi: | yes |
| [07:59:04] | wagnerrp: | because then they will just get added back on the next scan |
| [07:59:17] | wagnerrp: | and yes, marking them invisible takes effect immediately |
| [07:59:24] | hachi: | ok |
| [07:59:35] | hachi: | what about callsign changes and number changes and that jazz? |
| [07:59:45] | wagnerrp: | same thing |
| [07:59:54] | hachi: | what doesn't apply immediately? |
| [08:00:14] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand |
| [08:00:22] | hachi: | k |
| [08:00:26] | wagnerrp: | i assume the tuning values, and the actual list of channels |
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| [08:19:59] | Gumby: | if my cable providers channels have been rearranged do I rescan them in or do I run mythfilldatabase to fix it? |
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| [08:34:08] | hachi: | I don't know what's going on, but anytime I try to fetch the settings page via mythweb |
| [08:34:15] | hachi: | (I swear this was working two days ago) |
| [08:34:25] | hachi: | it runs a CHECK $table; on all the mythconverg tables |
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| [09:09:05] | cecil: | Gumby: should be no need to scan cable |
| [09:09:57] | cecil: | Gumby: assuming the channel has been made upstream (Schedules Direct (Tribune)) just run mythfilldatabase |
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| [10:49:30] | barkingbee: | hello |
| [10:49:52] | hipitihop: | hello barkingbee |
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| [10:50:21] | barkingbee: | i need help with mythtv |
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| [10:51:00] | hipitihop: | well I use mythtv but not sure if I can help, so ask your question and if someone knows the answer they will respond |
| [10:51:15] | barkingbee: | i am very new & lack of tech knowledge |
| [10:51:38] | barkingbee: | got my friend setup a mythtv box for me |
| [10:52:00] | barkingbee: | unfortunately he is away this week |
| [10:52:33] | barkingbee: | the told me just add video file into the video folder to play the file |
| [10:52:46] | barkingbee: | i can see it but it wont play |
| [10:53:02] | barkingbee: | there are some video files there and they are play just fine |
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| [10:53:16] | barkingbee: | but cannot play video i added in the folder |
| [10:53:20] | barkingbee: | any advise? |
| [10:53:33] | hipitihop: | is the one you added the same format as the others ? |
| [10:53:44] | barkingbee: | yes |
| [10:53:48] | barkingbee: | avi file |
| [10:55:12] | barkingbee: | it play fine in ubuntu using vlc |
| [10:55:21] | barkingbee: | but not in mythtv |
| [10:56:07] | hipitihop: | hmm sorry, I don't play that many video's, can you see anything in the logs ? |
| [10:56:44] | barkingbee: | where can i retrive the logs? |
| [10:57:07] | hipitihop: | logs are /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [10:57:36] | hipitihop: | there are various logs for the different parts of mythtc e,g, backend, forntend etc |
| [10:58:18] | barkingbee: | no backend |
| [10:58:36] | barkingbee: | just frontend |
| [11:01:05] | hipitihop: | well if you open the fronend log and look from the bottom backwards, you should see somewhere where it tried to open your video file and if it encuntered errors then they should be listed |
| [11:01:39] | hipitihop: | that's about all I can help with, as I said I'm not very familair with the video playing side of things |
| [11:02:34] | barkingbee: | open ubuntu terminal typed /var/log/mythtv |
| [11:02:43] | barkingbee: | give me nothing |
| [11:03:07] | barkingbee: | ah well. i guess i have to wait until he back next week |
| [11:03:30] | barkingbee: | thanks heaps for your help |
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| [12:19:56] | ionut: | hi |
| [12:20:27] | ionut: | i tryied to use mythtv and it gives me this error "MythTV is using all inputs,but there are no active recordings ". why? |
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| [12:27:01] | ionut: | i tryied to use mythtv and it gives me this error "MythTV is using all inputs,but there are no active recordings ". why? |
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| [15:22:50] | jolaren: | jolaren@ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe dvb-usb-dib0700 |
| [15:22:50] | jolaren: | WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/options, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| [15:22:59] | jolaren: | What am Idoing wrong |
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| [15:29:23] | jolaren: | Nevermind |
| [15:29:31] | jolaren: | My picture just went all black |
| [15:29:34] | jolaren: | It's been fine before |
| [15:29:40] | jolaren: | I watched a few mins ago |
| [15:29:44] | jolaren: | Then it all turned black |
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| [15:39:31] | jolaren: | now my picture is just really really laggy |
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| [15:40:06] | pyther: | Hi |
| [15:40:39] | pyther: | Is there a basic frontend for myth that can operate in a window mode? Something like xawtv or tvtime? |
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| [15:44:04] | jolaren: | Any swede having problems with Kanal 6? |
| [15:44:19] | jolaren: | pyther; I saw something about windowed mode on google |
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| [15:50:12] | pyther: | jolaren: the problem is that there is no easy way to change the aspect ratio |
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| [15:55:37] | clever: | pyther: mythfrontend itself can run in a window |
| [15:55:45] | clever: | but you cant resize it |
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| [15:57:14] | jolaren: | Is there someway to make mythtv less sensitive to wlan breakdowns ? |
| [15:57:24] | jolaren: | i mean the box is connected via lan cable but my frontend is not |
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| [16:00:54] | dashcloud: | hi, I've been having no luck getting my db backup from my old backend to restore on my new backend computer- I followed the steps from the mythtv wiki (the exact sequence I did is here: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1795379 ), I always get the Database has data error |
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| [16:21:58] | wseltzer: | dashcloud: does running mythconverg_restore with "--verbose" give you any more information? |
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| [16:25:11] | dashcloud: | here's the pastebin for that: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1795389 |
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| [16:28:28] | wseltzer: | looks as though it didn't drop the mythconverg database, perhaps |
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| [16:54:14] | dashcloud: | wseltzer: it didn't in fact drop the database- bizarre because I used the root mysql user (it worked with the mythtv user) |
| [17:00:42] | sphery: | dashcloud: was there any output when you did: mysql -uroot -p -e 'DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg;' |
| [17:00:46] | sphery: | errors or whatever? |
| [17:02:09] | dashcloud: | no output |
| [17:05:11] | sphery: | strange |
| [17:05:19] | dashcloud: | otherwise, the restore guide & script were great |
| [17:05:23] | sphery: | I don't know of any reason why a drop database would fail silently |
| [17:05:55] | sphery: | and it was the right database server/host? |
| [17:06:31] | keith4_: | since i've upgraded to .22... when I watch SD content, it seems to be shifted down by about 200 pixels. HD content is fine, though. ideas? |
| [17:06:36] | dashcloud: | well, the backup is from my old backend, and I restored it onto my new backend- I'm going to change the hostname now that I can |
| [17:07:00] | sphery: | I meant the mysql command was sending the DROP to the right host... |
| [17:07:13] | sphery: | but it likely was |
| [17:07:35] | dashcloud: | as far as I know |
| [17:07:51] | wseltzer: | dashcloud: glad to hear you got it working |
| [17:08:48] | sphery: | keith4_: bad choice of playback profile group? I suggest switching to the default configuration of Slim and seeing if that works. |
| [17:09:20] | sphery: | dashcloud: If other files or directories remain in the database directory after MySQL removes those just listed, the database directory cannot be removed. In this case, you must remove any remaining files or directories manually and issue the DROP DATABASE statement again. |
| [17:09:42] | sphery: | perhaps there was something else in there (maybe even just temporary) |
| [17:10:04] | dashcloud: | sphery: it was a brand new install onto the machine- I can't imagine what else could've been there |
| [17:10:45] | sphery: | might have been some file put there by the distro or whatever |
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| [17:12:25] | keith4_: | sphery, thanks. I will try that |
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| [17:35:20] | jolaren: | Really annoying, can't get the HD channels to play on my ion asrock 330 |
| [17:35:23] | jolaren: | it should do the trick |
| [17:41:17] | jolaren: | Where do I turn in that I can skip commercials? |
| [17:42:32] | dustybin: | jolaren: sell it and get a zotac board :D |
| [17:44:00] | jolaren: | Heheh |
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| [18:06:50] | trav-lap: | hello all I have a new install does any have any ideal why my myth tv just repeatly says 'starting playback' |
| [18:08:01] | trav-lap: | my backend log says 'DTVMux, Error: Could not find tuning parameters for mplex 32767' |
| [18:08:38] | trav-lap: | and 'DTVMux, Error: Could not find tuning parameters for mplex 32767' |
| [18:11:48] | sphery: | trav-lap: something about your channels is broken |
| [18:12:23] | sphery: | could be fixed by a rescan (though if it's a new box, you'd likely get the same results re-scanning--unless you made a mistake the first time and correct it the 2nd) |
| [18:12:33] | sphery: | or it may just be something broken in your stream |
| [18:12:56] | sphery: | or it could be that you're in an area where Myth doesn't properly handle the stream |
| [18:15:41] | trav-lap: | I am in the US trying to use broadcast ATSC |
| [18:16:19] | sphery: | well, US ATSC is working, so something about your channels is broken |
| [18:16:31] | sphery: | how did you get your channels into Myth? You used the mythtv-setup channel scanner, right? |
| [18:16:39] | sphery: | if you did a channels.conf import, that's your problem |
| [18:16:57] | trav-lap: | schdule direct |
| [18:16:59] | sphery: | I'd recommend doing http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [18:17:37] | trav-lap: | yes used mythv-setup channel |
| [18:19:24] | trav-lap: | ok will try that sphery |
| [18:19:43] | trav-lap: | thanks everyone if don't work I am sure I will be back |
| [18:22:14] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [19:11:27] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: whats the difference? theyre both ION systems |
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| [19:13:49] | dustybin: | pity the zotac boards dont have digital out apart from HDMI |
| [19:14:14] | elmojo: | mine does |
| [19:14:35] | [R]: | what other digital out are you talking about? |
| [19:15:54] | dustybin: | SPDIF |
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| [19:16:33] | elmojo: | most, if not all, the Zotac ION motherboards have BOTH optical and coaxial SPDIF connections |
| [19:16:50] | [R]: | i know mine does |
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| [19:18:09] | clever: | even my crappy P4 desktop has spidif on RCA and optical |
| [19:19:22] | dustybin: | elmojo: http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_wra . . . &lang=en |
| [19:19:25] | dustybin: | not on those |
| [19:20:59] | [R]: | those aren't zotac boards |
| [19:21:02] | [R]: | those are zotac computers |
| [19:21:04] | [R]: | notice the differnece? |
| [19:21:18] | dustybin: | ???? |
| [19:21:36] | [R]: | but i see something that loks like optical spdif |
| [19:21:53] | [R]: | http://pdus.zotac.com/components/com_virtuema . . . 2a1e3aae.jpg |
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| [19:22:45] | [R]: | http://www.zotac.com/httpdocs/brochures/mini- . . . 20MAG_v1.pdf |
| [19:22:49] | [R]: | yup... its optical spdif |
| [19:22:53] | dustybin: | ACE :D |
| [19:22:58] | dustybin: | why didnt they write that in the specs |
| [19:23:02] | [R]: | dustybin: maybe next time... you could actually read the website instead of randomly babeling |
| [19:23:09] | dustybin: | :-S |
| [19:23:12] | [R]: | they didnt't put that ti'll help you pick up chicks in the specs either |
| [19:23:19] | [R]: | but everyone knows is true |
| [19:23:44] | dustybin: | that box would make a lovely frontend :D |
| [19:23:51] | ** dustybin feels excited ** | |
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| [19:24:51] | dustybin: | the only thing its missing is a IR reciever |
| [19:25:02] | [R]: | there once was a computer someone linked here |
| [19:25:04] | [R]: | with an ion |
| [19:25:07] | [R]: | that had an IR built in |
| [19:25:11] | dustybin: | wow :D |
| [19:25:17] | [R]: | i actually plan on removing the reset button from my case |
| [19:25:23] | [R]: | and putting in an ir reciever in it's place |
| [19:25:28] | [R]: | as soon as i finish writing the code for it |
| [19:25:47] | dustybin: | mega :D |
| [19:26:08] | dustybin: | if i get one, ill just plug the windows mce usb IR reciever into it |
| [19:27:23] | [R]: | that's quite tacky looking |
| [19:27:31] | [R]: | i have a usb reciever under my audio receiver |
| [19:27:36] | [R]: | and i die a little inside when i look at it |
| [19:28:15] | clever: | my HDTV has a small panel of clear plastic between the tv and speakers |
| [19:28:26] | clever: | could easily hide a fugly ir receiver behind that |
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| [19:30:44] | dustybin: | i need to try and find a board what works ok with sleep / suspend |
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| [19:30:57] | [R]: | they say the zotac does |
| [19:31:01] | dustybin: | wow :D |
| [19:31:07] | dustybin: | imagine that |
| [19:31:34] | ** dustybin feels double excited :D ** | |
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| [19:33:02] | [R]: | i netboot and my backend turns off... or else i would use it |
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| [19:34:49] | dustybin: | your backend turns off? |
| [19:35:42] | [R]: | yup |
| [19:35:47] | dustybin: | i really dont see the point in netbooting, i would rather have it boot from its own hd, i dont like the idea of having the os boot over the network |
| [19:35:50] | [R]: | it draws like 100 watts or something absurd like that when its on |
| [19:35:57] | [R]: | why have it idling and leeching power |
| [19:36:05] | dustybin: | aye good point |
| [19:36:11] | [R]: | you dont like the idea of not using excess power for a stupid hd thats pointless? |
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| [19:36:32] | dustybin: | [R]: a 2.5" hd will use about 0–5 watts? |
| [19:36:41] | dustybin: | especially green ones |
| [19:36:54] | [R]: | thats 0–5 too many |
| [19:37:21] | dustybin: | i like to keep things seperate |
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| [19:37:40] | dustybin: | if the server hard disk goes down, then everything goes with it |
| [19:37:52] | [R]: | well you lose all your recordings also |
| [19:37:59] | [R]: | so what good does a frontend w/o a backend and w/o recodingds do |
| [19:38:05] | clever: | my recordings are spread over 3 drives in 2 servers |
| [19:38:09] | dustybin: | plus it will create more disk activity on the server disk if you netboot |
| [19:38:20] | clever: | wait no, 4 drives over 3 servers |
| [19:38:21] | dustybin: | unless you use another hd, but then thats pointless |
| [19:38:40] | clever: | i'm playing with the idea of booting thru RAM |
| [19:38:43] | dustybin: | its like running 2x OS on the same disk |
| [19:38:46] | dustybin: | eeek |
| [19:38:49] | [R]: | dustybin: no? |
| [19:39:00] | [R]: | dustybin: its not like a dedicated frontend is gonna be reading from the disk constantly |
| [19:39:09] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [19:39:11] | [R]: | it loads mythfrontend and the libs into memory |
| [19:39:12] | [R]: | and thats about it |
| [19:39:15] | clever: | dustybin: ive hacked together network booting that doesnt rely on NFS |
| [19:39:16] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:39:26] | [R]: | and i log to /tmp... which is tmpfs |
| [19:39:28] | smithna: | Hi, I am trying to use Jamu (which I used successfully before) on my svn setup. It now is giving me " Error: Jamu must be run on a MythTV backend. Local host (localhost) is not a MythTV backend." |
| [19:39:31] | clever: | it stores the entire OS to ram |
| [19:39:37] | smithna: | However, localhost is my backend.... |
| [19:39:51] | dustybin: | [R]: that sounds messy |
| [19:40:26] | [R]: | dustybin: which part of my awesome setup is messy? |
| [19:41:01] | dustybin: | [R]: logging to /tmp |
| [19:41:01] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: I suspect that localhost is not the name in the MythTV db for your BE so it is not matching the Jamu check. |
| [19:41:17] | [R]: | dustybin: messy? |
| [19:41:28] | dustybin: | i dunno, it sounds hackish |
| [19:41:55] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: Give me a few minutes and I will confirm my assertion on my own machine |
| [19:42:01] | [R]: | dustybin: um... right |
| [19:42:05] | smithna: | Ok, cool — Thanks |
| [19:42:13] | [R]: | dustybin: regardless... netboot is rockin awesome |
| [19:42:42] | dustybin: | in what way? to save 5 watts of power? |
| [19:43:50] | [R]: | no |
| [19:43:57] | [R]: | its so i dont need to waste a hard drive in my frontend |
| [19:44:01] | [R]: | which will go mostly unused |
| [19:44:04] | dustybin: | netbooting is a bit like building a computer, then putting the hard disk in another room for no reason :D |
| [19:44:23] | [R]: | my root fs is 6.5gb |
| [19:44:31] | dustybin: | [R]: but it will still require a hard drive, it just uses your servers hard drive instead |
| [19:44:32] | clever: | dustybin: with my netboot plan i'm playing with, it copies that disk to RAM, and then runs purely stand alone |
| [19:44:33] | [R]: | what point is wasting the rest of the hard drive space? |
| [19:44:46] | [R]: | dustybin: but i have my frontend root in my backend's root partition |
| [19:44:51] | [R]: | so i'm not wasting anything |
| [19:45:04] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [19:45:53] | dustybin: | its a strange feeling ssh'ing into your frontend, but the hard drive is in another box :D |
| [19:46:08] | dustybin: | am i in the hard drive or the box :D |
| [19:46:16] | clever: | i often edit the files at the server end, simpler:P |
| [19:46:17] | [R]: | right... |
| [19:46:30] | [R]: | i actually use a read-only image as the mount for my frontend |
| [19:46:36] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: Try adding an entry in your "/etc/hosts" file for "localhost" e.g "127.0.0.1 localhost" and see if that fixes things. |
| [19:46:40] | [R]: | so i can't just edit the file son the server |
| [19:47:50] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: The ip address must match the setting "BackendServerIP" |
| [19:48:01] | smithna: | Ok, will do |
| [19:48:08] | dustybin: | [R]: if you have more than 1 frontend, can it use the same image? |
| [19:48:20] | [R]: | dustybin: yes, it sets up a copy-on-write overlay |
| [19:48:26] | [R]: | but i only have 1 frontend |
| [19:48:26] | dustybin: | aye thats good |
| [19:48:36] | dustybin: | [R]-Type |
| [19:49:10] | ** dustybin had a fiddle with his backend ** | |
| [19:49:13] | dustybin: | *has |
| [19:49:35] | smithna: | RDV_Linux: I already have the entry in the /etc/hosts file — "127.0.0.1 localhost". Will check the BackendServerIP setting |
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| [19:52:51] | smithna: | RDV_Linux: from the database (settings table) BackendServerIP 127.0.0.1 localhost. Where else could I have messed things up? |
| [19:53:14] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: Just a second and I will be back! |
| [19:53:55] | smithna: | NP, appreciate the help! |
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| [19:56:45] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: Please tell me the jamu version you are using "/..../jamu.py -v" I only need the version number. |
| [19:57:49] | smithna: | v0.6.7 |
| [19:58:45] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: I will be back in a bit |
| [19:59:22] | smithna: | ok |
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| [20:03:46] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: netbooting allows me to have one single install that i use for multiple frontends and backends on my system |
| [20:04:13] | wagnerrp: | i have one root images that i perform my updates on |
| [20:04:28] | wagnerrp: | then i just clone the image, and copy over some basic config files for each machine |
| [20:04:32] | dustybin: | aye nice |
| [20:04:51] | wagnerrp: | and theyre all on a redundant array, so theres no risk of disk failure |
| [20:05:20] | dustybin: | jeeze you guys certainly plan things right to the last fine detail |
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| [20:09:31] | AndyCap: | s/no risk/less risk/ |
| [20:09:58] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: Try the instructions/test here. Pastebin your results: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1795570 |
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| [20:10:17] | unixSnob: | some of my recordings vanished.. I didn't delete them. Do they expire or something? |
| [20:10:32] | [R]: | if you had autoexpire turned on |
| [20:10:41] | tank-man: | is your drive near full ? |
| [20:11:16] | unixSnob: | tank-man: close, but not full enough. i have 3gb remaining, and a 1gb remaining rule |
| [20:11:24] | unixSnob: | i'll see if autoexpire is on |
| [20:12:03] | smithna: | RDV_Linux: I restarted mythbackend and jamu started working. It's strange that worked as mythfrontend was working just fine... |
| [20:12:09] | tank-man: | if the drive is not full and you don't have an episode limit for the show, we have a mystery |
| [20:12:28] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: good for you;) |
| [20:12:35] | unixSnob: | "default auto-expire" was turned on. |
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| [20:13:12] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: The test Jamu uses requires the BE to be running so that may be what triggered the error message. |
| [20:14:39] | smithna: | RDV_Linux: the backend was running... I was doing updates (via 'w') while troubleshooting jamu. |
| [20:15:25] | RDV_Linux: | smithna: that should have had no effect. I run Jamu on a combined FE/BE with the FE active and do not have issues, |
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| [20:16:41] | smithna: | Well, whatever it was — it's working now :} |
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| [20:16:54] | smithna: | Thanks again for your help! |
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| [20:38:43] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: well then i also do a weekly backup |
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| [20:44:46] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: :) |
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| [21:42:55] | rabies: | any recommendations for a ATSC capture card w/ good support and preferably a hardware MPEG2 decoder? |
| [21:43:03] | rabies: | though not required i guess |
| [21:45:18] | sphery: | rabies: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [21:45:25] | [R]: | atsc capture cards dont have decoders |
| [21:45:28] | [R]: | the computer does the decoder |
| [21:45:34] | rabies: | okay |
| [21:45:54] | rabies: | sphery: recommended as in stable and has good channel detection? |
| [21:45:54] | sphery: | rabies: you do realize that Hardware MPEG-2 encoders are only for analog capture, though, right (i.e. if you want to do standard-def analog capture from a VCR or STB or whatever). |
| [21:45:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support ATSC cards, it supports the DVB API... see sphery's link for cards with DVB compliant drivers |
| [21:46:21] | [R]: | sphery: he siad decoder |
| [21:46:22] | rabies: | wait, so if im using an antenna to pick up ATSC channels i cant use mythtv? |
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| [21:46:29] | wagnerrp: | if you actually mean hardware decoding for playback, VDPAU is your only worthwhile option |
| [21:46:41] | wagnerrp: | rabies: youre not listening to what i said |
| [21:46:45] | wagnerrp: | we dont support tuner cards |
| [21:46:47] | sphery: | rabies: if you want analog standard def and ATSC (digital, already-MPEG-2-encoded-by-the-broadcaster), the Hauppauge HVR-1600 is a pretty good one |
| [21:46:50] | wagnerrp: | we support the DVB API |
| [21:46:56] | sphery: | if you meant decoder, then VDPAU is the way to go |
| [21:47:04] | sphery: | (or CPU decoding) |
| [21:47:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery's link lists off cards with drivers compliant with that API |
| [21:47:14] | sphery: | remember that hardware is just software that cannot be changed... |
| [21:47:15] | wagnerrp: | if you use a card supported on that site, mythtv can use it |
| [21:47:21] | rabies: | "compliant" can be many things |
| [21:47:30] | rabies: | some cards are more compliant than others |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices lists just how compliant they are |
| [21:47:45] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with the card |
| [21:47:48] | wagnerrp: | its the driver |
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| [21:48:03] | sphery: | basically, the cards themselves are a dime a dozen... So you just need one that has driver support |
| [21:48:25] | sphery: | as the ATSC capture just dumps the already-encoded MPEG-2 from the stream, there's not a lot of difference in them |
| [21:48:25] | rabies: | so if theres a green check, it is 100% complaint? |
| [21:48:25] | wagnerrp: | if the V4L-DVB project provides support for that card, mythtv can use it |
| [21:48:50] | sphery: | so if it works in GNU/Linux with DVB API, Myth will do just fine with it |
| [21:49:19] | wagnerrp: | if you want ATSC (digital broadcast), you need one with a green check for 8VSB |
| [21:49:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think you win, again... much faster than I at saying the same thing. |
| [21:49:42] | sphery: | If you want cable, it's QAM |
| [21:49:44] | rabies: | cool, thanks guys |
| [21:49:53] | rabies: | guess ill just go w/ whatever is cheapest |
| [21:49:57] | wagnerrp: | if you want analog, youre better off getting an IVTV card |
| [21:50:03] | sphery: | and--save the HVR-1600--don't use any of them for NTSC |
| [21:50:23] | sphery: | (or, more likely, baseband input of NTSC-like signals) |
| [21:50:31] | rabies: | i dont think any of the channels are NTSC in my area... |
| [21:50:33] | sphery: | S-Video/Composite input |
| [21:50:44] | sphery: | right, that's why I modified it to be the baseband stuff |
| [21:51:12] | rabies: | is any broadcast NTSC anymore? |
| [21:51:35] | wagnerrp: | the only remaining use for analog is cable (like to be phased out within a couple years) or capture from a STB |
| [21:51:38] | sphery: | not in the US (at least other than extremely low-powered transmitters) |
| [21:52:05] | sphery: | so, yeah, cable and S-Video/Composite output from external tuners is all |
| [21:52:16] | sphery: | but some use the output of HDTV converter boxes |
| [21:52:20] | sphery: | or cable boxes |
| [21:52:46] | rabies: | i guess ill just get a WinTV-HVR-1250 |
| [21:52:54] | wagnerrp: | works great for me |
| [21:53:13] | rabies: | cool |
| [21:53:22] | rabies: | good enough for me! :) |
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| [21:54:54] | sphery: | and 1250 is a good price, too |
| [21:55:19] | sphery: | er, don't pay $1250 for one, but the price typically charged for an HVR-1250 is good. |
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| [22:10:37] | rabies: | sphery: went with a HVR-1600 |
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| [22:10:47] | rabies: | supposedly its good with low SNR |
| [22:10:52] | rabies: | sphery: plus it was the same price |
| [22:11:17] | jolaren: | I really can't decide if I should rebuild my backend :/ Running it in a 1u rack atm.. but I'm thinkin about replacin it with an older computer (with more pci ports) |
| [22:11:19] | jolaren: | what should I do |
| [22:12:29] | stoth: | rabies: I'd have picked the 1250 |
| [22:12:37] | rabies: | why? |
| [22:12:50] | stoth: | it's a better performer for QAM/ATSC |
| [22:12:58] | rabies: | damn it |
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| [22:13:00] | wagnerrp: | rabies: a 1600 for the same price as the 1250? |
| [22:13:10] | rabies: | you sure? |
| [22:13:10] | wagnerrp: | its usually $30-$40 more |
| [22:13:18] | wagnerrp: | plus its PCI rather than PCIe |
| [22:13:20] | sphery: | seems like the 1600 was either really cheap or the 1250 was overpriced |
| [22:13:30] | rabies: | 60 bucks |
| [22:13:35] | rabies: | its OEM w/o remote, which i dont need anyway |
| [22:13:35] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt pay more than $50 for a 1250 |
| [22:13:37] | stoth: | 1600 was cheap |
| [22:13:55] | rabies: | so the 1600 isnt good? |
| [22:13:59] | wagnerrp: | extremely cheap |
| [22:14:06] | stoth: | I'd have picked the 1250. |
| [22:14:08] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is fine if you want to do analog |
| [22:14:23] | wagnerrp: | but there are better and cheaper tuners if you only want digital |
| [22:14:30] | stoth: | yes, I'm assuming he wanted DTV |
| [22:14:31] | ** sphery wonders where you found the HVR-1600 for $60 ** | |
| [22:14:40] | rabies: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . TRK:MEWNX:IT |
| [22:14:45] | stoth: | lol |
| [22:14:50] | wagnerrp: | bah... dont buy crap on ebay |
| [22:14:55] | rabies: | where else! =D |
| [22:15:03] | wagnerrp: | legitimate stores |
| [22:15:04] | rabies: | its just old surplus |
| [22:15:09] | rabies: | im sure its fine |
| [22:15:33] | stoth: | What's the model #? |
| [22:15:35] | rabies: | im just hoping its good enough to pick up my weakass signal |
| [22:15:38] | rabies: | 01101 |
| [22:15:42] | stoth: | we had a load of surprise crap hit ebay. |
| [22:15:55] | rabies: | really? damn it |
| [22:15:58] | rabies: | im gonna see if i can cancel it |
| [22:16:00] | stoth: | an OEM dumped it, they were going really cheap. |
| [22:16:19] | stoth: | yeah, really cheap because those models didn't have QAM. |
| [22:16:28] | stoth: | yet they were being sold on ebay with QAM. |
| [22:16:30] | sphery: | he is doing ATSC |
| [22:16:45] | sphery: | (or at least he mentioned ATSC, not QAM) |
| [22:16:58] | sphery: | that page doesn't say QAM on it |
| [22:17:00] | stoth: | prolly fine for ATSC... just saying..... when stuff is cheap..... it's cheap for a reason. |
| [22:17:05] | wagnerrp: | no QAM? meaning it uses a different tuner? |
| [22:17:20] | stoth: | the baord wasn't designed for QAM RF levels early on. |
| [22:17:36] | sphery: | Model 01101 Revision 74551 |
| [22:17:42] | stoth: | hmm. |
| [22:17:43] | sphery: | one of those? |
| [22:17:52] | stoth: | xx5xx is an OEM sku |
| [22:17:56] | stoth: | it's possible. |
| [22:18:25] | sphery: | 161 available :) |
| [22:19:10] | stoth: | yeah, I thing those are the problem boards. You can get QAM on some channels under some cicumstances |
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| [22:21:08] | stoth: | If QAM is your goal then you don't want the 74551 rev. |
| [22:22:20] | ** rabies grumbles ** | |
| [22:22:33] | rabies: | alright, well ill try to cancel the stupid thing |
| [22:22:34] | stoth: | if I were you I'd be foaming at the mouth! |
| [22:22:38] | rabies: | lol |
| [22:23:02] | stoth: | sorry, bad joke. :) |
| [22:23:27] | stoth: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=17846 |
| [22:23:36] | stoth: | ^^^ this is when we started hearing first signs of it |
| [22:24:21] | stoth: | they're 100% fine for ATSC, let's be clear. |
| [22:25:18] | rabies: | well, in that case I might just let it go |
| [22:25:25] | rabies: | I'm not going to use it for QAM |
| [22:25:40] | rabies: | but i dont like the idea of buying a defective board when i can get a 1250 for 10 bucks less |
| [22:25:50] | rabies: | im going to at least try to cancel it |
| [22:26:01] | stoth: | 1600 has the h/w encoder, useful for other stuff. |
| [22:26:23] | rabies: | i thought that was only for analog |
| [22:26:36] | stoth: | correct. |
| [22:27:04] | rabies: | well i suppose thats useful if i wanna hook up a playstation to a RF modulator for some reason... |
| [22:29:00] | bjd: | hm |
| [22:29:12] | bjd: | anyone reckon an old xbox might cut it as a frontend? |
| [22:29:17] | ** bjd goes to read the wiki ** | |
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| [22:32:19] | sid3windr: | bjd: about as useless as a p3 with 128MB of memory and a vga (non svga) videocard I guess? ;/ |
| [22:32:36] | bjd: | :/ |
| [22:33:47] | dustybin: | bjd: save up for a zotac mag :D |
| [22:34:39] | bjd: | nice, they are quite cheap |
| [22:35:59] | dustybin: | those are the best things since sliced bread |
| [22:36:04] | dustybin: | IMO |
| [22:36:11] | bjd: | you got one? |
| [22:36:41] | dustybin: | nope |
| [22:36:42] | dustybin: | not yet |
| [22:36:48] | dustybin: | im still low res |
| [22:36:55] | bjd: | the asrock thing looks cool too |
| [22:36:56] | dustybin: | crt / 720 x 576 |
| [22:37:02] | bjd: | has a drive/remote |
| [22:37:23] | dustybin: | bjd: this is 2010, nobody needs drives anymore |
| [22:37:34] | bjd: | ;p |
| [22:38:10] | dustybin: | i will go hi-res once mythtv 1.0 is released |
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| [22:46:58] | brewmstr: | is there a way to auto-pull trailers for videos in mythvideo? |
| [22:48:54] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [22:49:42] | wagnerrp: | if you can find a source that allows free download and use of such trailers, that could change |
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| [22:55:40] | jamesd2: | you could probably hack something with youtube, and a video downloader... but probably have to hack firefox or know a lot about the video downloader and firefox |
| [22:55:55] | wagnerrp: | exactly... hack |
| [22:56:04] | wagnerrp: | youtube does not offer video downloads |
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| [23:01:59] | AndyCap: | jamesd2: there are scripts to do that just fine, but it's not allowed by the terms of service, so not a workable solution |
| [23:03:35] | wagnerrp: | a while back i suggested using the trailer link provided by tmdb to open up mythbrowser |
| [23:03:50] | wagnerrp: | but that was rejected for reasons i dont remember, and didnt care to argue with |
| [23:04:35] | wagnerrp: | brewmstr: half the time, your DVDs will come with the feature trailer, at significantly better quality than is available through youtube anyway |
| [23:05:02] | wagnerrp: | just remember to rip the trailer when you rip your DVDs in the future |
| [23:05:10] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: At one time I thought that the trailer field in the videometadata record was for a web link and Jamu was populating the field with the url. That was changed a while ago. |
| [23:05:23] | wagnerrp: | nearly every one of my HDDVDs came with a trailer |
| [23:05:27] | wagnerrp: | i imagine bluray is the same |
| [23:05:59] | brewmstr: | true, it's a shame apple doesn't allow it |
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| [23:07:24] | wagnerrp: | since apple goes so far as to require you use the quicktime UA to download their trailers, such activity should not be discussed in here |
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| [23:23:18] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: and in an ideal world dvds etc would have a standard for name, description, productcode, which title is the trailer and movie etc. :P |
| [23:23:24] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: do you have slow deletes enabled? |
| [23:23:51] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: in the real world, at least HDDVDs generally do |
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| [23:24:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what about blu-ray? |
| [23:24:45] | wagnerrp: | probably not easy to do programmatically, but certainly something you can look at the name and file size, and usually be 75% accurate about which one is the trailer |
| [23:24:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no experience with bluray |
| [23:24:56] | sphery: | just wondered |
| [23:25:06] | wagnerrp: | would have to ask iamlindoro about that one |
| [23:25:15] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: I think so but would have to check. The issue discussed earlier had broken symlink from Jan 22nd which corresponds with my bindings changes. |
| [23:25:49] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: so you don't have to enter any metadata if you rip hd-dvd? |
| [23:26:01] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: just wondering, because it looks like the issue wouldn't exist if you don't have slow deletes enabled (which makes it a full-fledged bug that I don't mind fixing without buy-in :) |
| [23:26:19] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: of course you do, you just pull it off TMDB like normal |
| [23:26:23] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: completely untested, but if you'd like to test out http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-al . . . _force.patch , it seems like a reasonable patch. It will only affect FORCE_DELETE_RECORDINGS (not DELETE_RECORDINGS and not DELETE_FILE), but allows deleting the symlink even if the link is broken. |
| [23:26:38] | wagnerrp: | im saying you can fairly easily pick out the trailer file when youre ripping them |
| [23:27:03] | wagnerrp: | and its just a single file you pull out |
| [23:27:16] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: and if that does fix it (and it works with or without slow deletes after that--probably have to restart mythbackend to pick up a change to slow deletes), I can put it in. |
| [23:27:39] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: so what kind of data is on hd-dvd? |
| [23:27:42] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: and if it is just that--a bug only on slow deletes--thanks for tracking down a /very/ hard to find issue :) |
| [23:27:57] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2/vc1/h264 in an EVO container |
| [23:28:04] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Ok will do a test and see if it works. First I need to assure that I am using the slow deletes setting. |
| [23:28:05] | sphery: | if we got a bug report without all the info you provided, I doubt we'd ever have found the bug |
| [23:28:40] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: it's "Delete files slowly" in mythtv-setup General settings (TruncateDeletesSlowly) |
| [23:30:02] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: hold on a second... that patch is missing a line |
| [23:30:04] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: np, I had a lot of issues getting MiroBridge to be resilient enough not to leave images/symlinks and records scattered around. Especially as I cannot control what a user does through the Muro GUI |
| [23:30:32] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: holding |
| [23:30:58] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: ok, refresh... |
| [23:31:22] | sphery: | I really have to find a way to hook up quilt refresh to send out a vim-remote request to save files :) |
| [23:32:03] | sphery: | refreshing a patch when you have unsaved changes in the file doesn't help |
| [23:33:51] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: If "TruncateDeletesSlowly" is zero that means it is off right? If that is so then I am not using delete slowly. |
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| [23:34:49] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Do you still want me to try the patch? |
| [23:36:43] | sphery: | hmmm... if you're not using slow deletes that patch won't help |
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| [23:37:23] | darkdrgn2k: | hey guys, any one know if there are some problems using nvidia binaries with fedora 12 |
| [23:37:41] | darkdrgn2k: | having problems getting myth to start up (complaining about opengl not being installed) |
| [23:37:54] | darkdrgn2k: | but i install it from binary. try agin.. it works |
| [23:38:01] | darkdrgn2k: | the i reboot.. and it doesnt work again |
| [23:38:15] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: I do not think I have that setting enabled. That is why I double checked the DB value. |
| [23:39:36] | darkdrgn2k: | X.0.log shows "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" |
| [23:39:38] | sphery: | right, looking to see where it's failing without that |
| [23:40:14] | darkdrgn2k: | ? |
| [23:40:25] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: ah, I see it |
| [23:40:46] | darkdrgn2k: | oh. |
| [23:41:17] | sphery: | er, no I don't... It's ignoring the return value that shows the failure |
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| [23:56:45] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: ok, we're failing much earlier in the process for a broken symlink... QFile::exists() returns false for a broken symlink (even when there is a symlink file at the specified path). |
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| [23:58:26] | sphery: | so basically, we're under the impression there is no file to delete |
| [23:59:29] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: so, it's going to require a much bigger fix than I hoped |
| [23:59:45] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: aah. I assume that still means it is a bug? |
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