Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, February 9th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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skd5aner:

np – don't want to mistate the facts (or make it sound like jamu is an afterthough/third party adaptation)

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jamesd2:

YEAH... Star Trek TNG is back on tv, all is good... :-)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i think sphery has been hinting that for the last several months

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wagnerrp:

jamesd2: spike and scifi have both aired that for years

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jamesd2:

wagnerrp, true, but that would be helpful i paid my monthly extortion payments to the cable companies, but i don't thankfully

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bonelifer:

now sadly SyFy. I thought that was supposed to be a joke at first, the first time I saw it reported. :(

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cal__:

so this VDPAU thing isnt any better quality or what not that the old method of HD under mythtv, its just a better "standard" and uses less CPU?

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wagnerrp:

theyre still scifi as long as im concerned

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bonelifer:

I have a feeling someone is going to "G4" them

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wagnerrp:

id rather start using gibibibibytes than watch a venereal disease channel

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meshe:

cal__: it's hardware decoding

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cal__:

adding on to that, i have a 7300 GS which is apparently too old to support VDPAU. however my HD works fine, but was wondering if its worth it to upgade.

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wagnerrp:

hardware decoding AND outputting

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to something like the crystalHD which is decoding only

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wagnerrp:

cal__: basically, if your processor is fast enough to decode in software, dont bother

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meshe:

isn't the motto of myth, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

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wagnerrp:

is that 7300GS PCIe or AGP?

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cal__:

wagnerrp : okay that sums it up nicely, thanks

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bonelifer:

7–10% avg cpu, compared to 40% cpu with non-vdpau, the stats I've seen around the web

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wagnerrp:

bonelifer: you should have 1–2% CPU usage with VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

vs. whatever it takes for your processor to decode the content without VDPAU

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bonelifer:

+wagnerrp: well these were some older websites

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cal__:

wagnerrp: i cant use some of the more intensive deinterlacers for HD though.. i have to use linear blend. so may still be worth it to upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

cal__: do you have a PCIe or AGP card currently?

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cal__:

pci... 7300 GS

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bonelifer:

do you have a free pci-e x16 slot?

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wagnerrp:

PCI, or PCIe?

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cal__:

prolly PCIe been awhile since i had the box apart

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cal__:

no clue if i have a free slot

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wagnerrp:

free slot wouldnt matter if hes just replacing the existing card

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cal__:

i use ffmeg&XVideo w/ Linear Blend

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cal__:

are there betters settings than that as far as noticable change in HD quality if i went with better card that could do VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

what output are you using?

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cal__:

dvi->hdmi

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wagnerrp:

i ask because i noticed a significant increase in quality from svideo on a 6200 to svideo on an 8400

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wagnerrp:

digital wouldnt matter

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wagnerrp:

and if your processor is capable of decoding the material currently

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wagnerrp:

the only benefit you would get would be a better deint filter

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cal__:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

however if you dont have a PCIe x16 slot, dont even bother

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cal__:

would that make ghosting when the camera is panning better? (a better deinterlacer)

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wagnerrp:

if the ghosting is caused by your deint filter

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cal__:

i noticed camera panning looks a lot better when i go direct to my tv from hd cable rather than through mythtv (ie, camera panning across the football field when they are running)

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cal__:

i think that is called ghosting

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wagnerrp:

is that a P4 or a Xeon?

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Er1K:

I (finally) have a bunch of 1080i channels, but can't play them, and I'm looking for some video card advice...

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Er1K:

<Er1K> Box is a Dell poweredge server, 2.8ghz p4, no x16 slots, and a limited number of pci slots, so I'm pretty well stuck with pci for video

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wagnerrp:

dont paste

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Er1K:

sorry

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Er1K:

if you were asking me, it's a normal p4, but the box I'm typing on is a p4 xeon and I could swap them...not a big deal if that will make the difference

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wagnerrp:

i was more wondering if it were some special dual-processor server

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Er1K:

nope...ironically, this box is (dual xeon 2.4's)

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Er1K:

(this box is a dell precision workstation, the cheapo server is a poweredge something or another)

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wagnerrp:

but in that case, is there any reason why youre unwilling to part with an old desktop (considering its single processor, it may as well be)

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Er1K:

Money, mainly. I could make do with the single p4 myself for a few months, though. Hadn't really thought of that.

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Er1K:

Are there any cheap agp cards that will do the trick nicely?

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wagnerrp:

as it stands, that 2.8 is going to be marginally capable of decoding broadcast mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

and no AGP cards support VDPAU

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Er1K:

that's what I thought

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wagnerrp:

and PCI is really going to be hurting if you try to run a 1080p display

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wagnerrp:

<$200 gets you a new system with onboard nvidia graphics, dual core amd processor, and 2GB of memory

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Er1K:

Would a vdpau card likely display the 1080i broadcast/cable stuff on the 720p display without jitter on the 2.8?

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Er1K:

hmmmmm

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Er1K:

that's dang tempting, I hadn't been following prices

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Er1K:

will the onboard nvidia do vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sid3windr:

so guys

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sid3windr:

I found this perl script

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sid3windr:

and since I'm in europe

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Er1K:

Coolies. That sounds like the ticket, and one of the kids willl love the upgrade that the p4 will be for them

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sid3windr:

do I need to use the euro sign instead of the dollar sign?

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sid3windr:

]:)

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wagnerrp:

assuming you get a 8 or 9 series board

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Er1K:

I'd been trying to find a use for the now-unused s-video port on the 2.8....think I'll plug that into an rf modulator and have mythtv in the *rest* of the house :)

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Er1K:

(only have 5 frontends right now)

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Er1K:

any suggestions on a board that is cheap that would do the trick?

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sid3windr:

only 5, heh

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Er1K:

I have two matched pairs of 1gb pc6200, will those do me any good in this ordeal?

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wagnerrp:

DDR2 6400?

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Er1K:

Yes. I got them for the poweredge box, but it won't take anything but ECC

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Er1K:

and this box uses rambus (ick)

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Er1K:

so they just sit here

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wagnerrp:

just make sure you get a board that still takes DDR2, and you can knock ~$50 off the price

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Er1K:

$50 might mean the difference between doing it in february vs. march, so that's important

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Er1K:

tyvm

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: didn't you ask that last week, and the week before, and the week before...

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Er1K:

get a cheap combo to replace the 2.8, pass that machine to Mr. 11, get work to buy me a new box to replace this dual xeon, pass that box to Mr. 13

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Er1K:

schweet

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Er1K:

ty

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: no, I just miss the guy that came in and asked that over and over.. ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Ah, ok.

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sid3windr:

I should have gone into the perl devroom and asked that at fosdem

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sid3windr:

would have been hilarious

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sid3windr:

.. or I would have ended up dead somewhere :p

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Er1K:

sid3windr: 4 of my frontends are old p3/athlon gear netbooting ubuntu 9.10. Once I got the kinks out, it works VERY well, but now everybody in the house wants HD :)

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

I'm getting dvb-s soonish and I have hdtvs so I'm looking into that as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

Er1K: Yep... ;-) That's how it works. "Holy *bleep* that's clear... can I get that in my room?"

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Er1K:

I have a technotrend 3600 card and a hauppauge 1800

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sid3windr:

living room frontend also went from p3 800 through duron 2400+ to the pentium d thing it is now

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Er1K:

the hd is from the hauppauge...but it's real

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Er1K:

Only took threatening to file both an fcc and puc complaint and suddenly charter is no longer encrypting the broadcast hd

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Er1K:

imagine that

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wagnerrp:

ugh... postfix keeps hammering my system for some reason

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Er1K:

wagnerrp: If you have spam filters being triggered by the postfix delivery process, those might be worth looking at...

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Er1K:

btdt

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wagnerrp:

nope, just some simple maildrop

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** sid3windr zz **

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Er1K:

sid3windr: Although the S-2 portions of the card do me no good, you might be happy with the s2–3600. I generally recommend liplanian's repo over stock, but with newer drivers it works quite well.

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Er1K:

and it's a steve. I may still need my iptv hack to use it's analog side in myth, but TY for the working 28335 drivers.

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Er1K:

TY again.

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Er1K:

stoth: I've also learned the ins and outs of v4l2 and v4l-dvb drivers partially thanks to you. Thanks again. if I perchance had patches to make the cx23885 analog rf tuner work perfectly in myth, would you like them?

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stoth:

Er1K: sure.

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Er1K:

Coolies. I stopped maintaining them quite some time ago, but I'll make them fly again :)

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Er1K:

you have an email addy or similar on your kernellabs site?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i lost 4 minutes of recordings tonight because of that

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Er1K:

and that was 23885, excuse me :)

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vhann:

Is anybody else experiencing problems with getting 2 tuner cards to work? (Hauppauge PVR-500 and DviCO FusionHDTV7 Dual Express)

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vhann:

+in my case

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wagnerrp:

im using three tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

plus a pair of ethernet attached tuners

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wagnerrp:

(one machine)

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Are they using the same driver?

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wagnerrp:

three different types of card

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vhann:

Hum, then I don't understand

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vhann:

The Hauppauge used to work but since I changed kernel to get the DviCO to be recognized, it doesn't seem to work anymore using v4l2-ctl

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Got any Hauppauge?

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stoth:

Er1K: stoth@kernellabs.com

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wagnerrp:

vhann: two 150s, and a 1250

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i almost could have gotten a 150 for $15... should i have done it?

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stoth:

Er1K: The drivers on the -api tree mostly work for myth by a dma channel change issue prevents their release.

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stoth:

s/by/but/

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wagnerrp:

[R]: if youve got any use capturing standard def

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vhann:

[R]: Where? I'll buy it NOW

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[R]:

vhann: it was on craigslist

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wagnerrp:

well nevermind then... you can usually pick them up on ebay for ~$20

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[R]:

wagnerrp: well i get conflicts from my "all family guy and all king of the hill" that show up on the analog cartoon network and my "all cops" that shows up on truetv

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[R]:

but i don't really care enough about missing those that i want to buy a 150

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vhann:

wagnerrp: 20$ not counting shipping (and some eBay vendors can charge nice amounts in "shipping")

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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keith4__:

i upgraded to .22, and now I can't figure out how to add more videos to whatever has become of "mythvideo"

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Beirdo:

beirdobot now has a small webservice that will make searching from the web page much simpler

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[R]:

keith4__: select scan from the menu

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keith4__:

brilliant!

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Isn't Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150/500 able to record up to 720p?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

480i

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Weird, I'm pretty sure my PVR-500 records in 720p

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure its 480i

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Beirdo:

ummm 720x480 perhaps

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Beirdo:

which is 480i :)

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vhann:

Lemme check, ssh'ing to server

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Beirdo:

la la la

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Beirdo:

:)

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vhann:

Yup, you're right

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vhann:

How big is 720p in bytes/second? (480i seems to be around 2GiB/hour)

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wagnerrp:

83MB/s

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Beirdo:

up to 83MB/s that is, right?

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Beirdo:

i.e. sometimes lower bitrate?

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wagnerrp:

well once you throw in compression, who knows how big it will be

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Beirdo:

and isn't that mbit/s?

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

that's raw rate :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

right. I forget the usual bitrates for 720p. Been too long since I was looking into that

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Beirdo:

!list

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Beirdo:

oh good, he's identified

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Beirdo:

!seen SlicerDicer

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MythLogBot:

SlicerDicer was last seen 61 days 21 hours 42 minutes 37 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

dammit

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Beirdo:

he'd probably know the answer, he messed with it a lot

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wagnerrp:

vhann: ATSC is going to be somewhere between 8–18mbps

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wagnerrp:

and you have no control over that, you get it at whatever your broadcaster sends it at

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Beirdo:

which can be different per show, IIRC

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wagnerrp:

720p off a HDPVR is going to be at whatever bitrate you set in the recording profiles

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Isn't ATSC the old standard and NTSC the new (digital) one?

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Beirdo:

vhann: exactly backwards

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wagnerrp:

similarly 480i is going to be 15.5MB/s

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Beirdo:

there's nothing new about NTSC :)

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wagnerrp:

however whatever you are getting out of your PVR is whatever bitrate you have set in your recording profile

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wagnerrp:

and at 2GB/hr, that sounds like the default 4400kbps

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Ok, I was trying to compute how much storage space I would need was I to record in higher quality

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vhann:

And since I don't really see pixels on a 42" tv in 480i, I don't think I'll switch

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wagnerrp:

must be blind

[03:03:00]

vhann:

wagnerrp: Maybe. You know, I grew up with VHS so 480i is good enough quality to me

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wagnerrp:

on my 26", 720p is just beyond my limit of making out individual pixels from across the room

[03:04:41]

wagnerrp:

but even 480i to 480p is a vast improvement on quality

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vhann:

progressive scan is better than interlaced?

[03:05:14]

wagnerrp:

yes, its not interlaced

[03:05:48]

wagnerrp:

interlacing halves the video content

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vhann:

I usually use the 'deinterlace' option in xine and it doesn't look too bad

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wagnerrp:

each line only updates every other frame

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vhann:

wagnerrp: How do you store your videos? Blu-ray DL?

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wagnerrp:

dl?

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vhann:

Dual Layer

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wagnerrp:

too expensive, and a nuisance

[03:07:31]

wagnerrp:

hard drives are far cheaper

[03:07:41]

wagnerrp:

and you dont have to swap them out

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Sure. I don't know how much video you record, but considering my 1 TiB storage server is almost full of 480i videos (again)

[03:09:23]

vhann:

Using DVDs is a not too bad idea

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vhann:

How big is say a 2 hours 720p movie?

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[R]:

at what bitrate

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wagnerrp:

over ATSC, youre looking at ~15GB

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wagnerrp:

over bluray or hddvd, i doubt youll find 720p

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vhann:

wagnerrp: What is Blu-Ray's typical resolution?

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wagnerrp:

DVDRs are barely cheaper than hard drives, DVD-DLs are more expensive than hard drives for the same amount of space

[03:11:06]

wagnerrp:

1080p

[03:11:31]

wagnerrp:

and you still have to deal with the problem of swapping out disks every 4 or 8GB

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Beirdo:

DVD-R do make better frisbees than hard drives though

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wagnerrp:

just like BDRs, theyre a nuisance

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but you'd still need to swap hard drives if you have sheer volumes of videos

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Beirdo:

fringe benefits :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but youre talking about a 1–2TB drive

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vhann:

Beirdo: Hehe, throwing CDs is fun

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wagnerrp:

which takes 15 seconds to swap with a hotswap bay or stand

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Beirdo:

trust me... one-way encrypting hard drives against a concrete floor is immense fun too :)

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wagnerrp:

and thats assuming you dont just keep all those drives in a server

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Beirdo:

they usually last 2–3 throws before disintegrating

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wagnerrp:

ive got some 6TB of storage, and as far as myth setups go, thats midrange

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Beirdo:

dangit, ohloh... update my project already :)

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Do you have redundancy/backup for your 6TB?

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wagnerrp:

3 independent 300GBs for recordings

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wagnerrp:

5250GB in a RAID6 for long term storage

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vhann:

Hehe, not bad ;)

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vhann:

How can I tell if a video is interlaced or progressive scan?

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vhann:

Does ffmpeg provide this information?

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[R]:

myth detects while its playing

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[R]:

so i don't think so

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Beirdo:

Isn't progressive scan usually at twice the refresh rate?

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Beirdo:

errr frame rate

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Beirdo:

stupid me needs sleep

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Beirdo:

so NTSC progressive at 60fps?

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vhann:

So 29.97 tb(r) would mean interlaced?

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Beirdo:

I think so, but I'm not sure anymore :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

vhann: yes, interlaced TV is 60 fields/s or 30 frames/s

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wagnerrp:

technically 30000/1001 for reasons i dont care to understand

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vhann:

wagnerrp: I've been searching for information for the last 30 mins but didn't find anything. Can PVR-500 do 480p?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

there is no progressive form of NTSC

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wagnerrp:

which is what the PVR cards are capable of

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wagnerrp:

if you want progressive, you have to bump up to component video

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wagnerrp:

or something digital

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vhann:

I'll check if the DviCO FusionHDTV7 can do 480p

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wagnerrp:

its a digital tuner, meaning it will just capture whatever the broadcaster sends it

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vhann:

How much is a PVR-500 worth? I think I might have paid too much for it

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt care what the resolution is

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vhann:

wagnerrp: So it would even be able to capture 1080p right?

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wagnerrp:

if you have someone broadcasting 1080p

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wagnerrp:

the card doesnt care, so long as the stream is properly modulated and below the maximum bitrate

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wagnerrp:

on ebay, those are going for $40-$50

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wagnerrp:

new, they were somewhere well over $100

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Ah ok. I bought a "raw" new one for around 70$

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vhann:

So I guess it was somewhat of a good price

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vhann:

When changing kernel (2.6.22 standard to 2.6.30-bigmem in this case), do I need to reload tuner cards' firmware?

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[R]:

reload?

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wagnerrp:

as in reinstall?

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wagnerrp:

firmware is static

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wagnerrp:

you only have to reinstall and/or recompile kernel modules

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vhann:

wagnerrp: I didn't compile myself (using Debian)

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wagnerrp:

is 'bigmem' the PAE kernel?

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wagnerrp:

looks like it

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Good question, I'm unsure whether the system is 32bits or 64

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wagnerrp:

do you have more than 4GB of memory?

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vhann:

wagnerrp: 4 ram sticks of 1GB each in fact

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vhann:

4049MiB says lshw

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wagnerrp:

then you shouldnt bother with bigmem

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vhann:

wagnerrp: I'm pretty sure it wouldn't recognize over 3 GB

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vhann:

I might be wrong though

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wagnerrp:

the default for linux is a 3/1 split

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wagnerrp:

3GB userland, 1GB kernel

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wagnerrp:

PAE doesnt change that

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wagnerrp:

it just lets you page out the userland segment

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vhann:

Ok

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wagnerrp:

you may run up against issues with video cards and other memory mapped IO consuming part of the 4GB space, resulting in something less than that

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vhann:

I guess that's why lshw reports 4049MiB rather than 4096?

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wagnerrp:

possibly

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wagnerrp:

32MB video card?

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vhann:

256 MB (8400 GS)

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jamesd2:

wagnerrp, actually if your not going to use a web browser, you may be better off with 64bit mode because video cards and other devices take some address space so 64bit gives you all your ram, and the kernel uses address space, and 64bit should be faster for encoding/transcoding.

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wagnerrp:

jamesd2: were not talking about 32/64-bit mode, were talking about PAE

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vhann:

There seems to be a problem with my DviCO. It's not listed in /dev/v4l/by-path

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wagnerrp:

thats a good thing

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vhann:

wagnerrp: ?

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be using it for analog capture with mythtv

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vhann:

v4l doesn't work with digital capture?

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wagnerrp:

v4l handles analog, dvb handles digital

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vhann:

Ok, so what is the device (/dev file) to use to play dvb capture?

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wagnerrp:

/dev/dvb/adaptor0

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vhann:

Are those in /dev/dvb/adapter*/ ?

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wagnerrp:

however mythtv will autodetect those, you shouldnt be typing them in manually to mythtv-setup

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vhann:

wagnerrp: I haven't been able to get the card to be recognized by MythTV

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wagnerrp:

are you adding it as a DVB card?

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vhann:

wagnerrp: I think so, I haven't touched MythTV in a while

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vhann:

What I want is to record hours-long movies in a single file

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vhann:

From mythtv's website, it's better to use v4l2-ctl and cat /dev/video* > movie.mpg to do that

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vhann:

That's kind of what I'd like to do with the DviCO

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wagnerrp:

if youre using an IVTV card, and insist on doing it outside mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the DviCO card is not an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

it will not provide mpeg files through the dev node

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vhann:

wagnerrp: So I do need to use MythTV to do something similar with the DviCO?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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vhann:

I would have preferred a script-friendly method but oh well

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vhann:

Other than that, do all tuner cards have that 2 seconds playback delay (compared to the input signal)?

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wagnerrp:

IVTV cards have a 1 second delay, because it has an internal buffer used by the encoder

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners will have some amount of buffer, as they are recalculating any lost information in the bitstream

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers should have nearly no delay

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vhann:

But with framegrabbers, you need to encode frames in a video file yourself

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wagnerrp:

correct

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vhann:

s/yourself/via software rather than hardware/

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wagnerrp:

correct

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vhann:

Ok, thanks

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rhpot1991:

anyone playing BR rips with .22?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: I have an issue where I don't seem to have any sound from my english tracks on them

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rhpot1991:

the other languages work fine

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rhpot1991:

I have passthrough enabled but my receiver never seems to get the sound

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[R]:

what kind of audio track is it? there was some talk about the fancy audio tracks on the ml

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe mythtv can bitstream EAC3/DTSHD

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wagnerrp:

AC3 and DTS only

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rhpot1991:

dtshd I believe

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: whats the best way to handle dtshd then? Most of the discs I have seen have that for english, and then some sort of dolby for the rest

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wagnerrp:

dont know to be honest

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wagnerrp:

i downmix to 2-channel on both of my systems

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rhpot1991:

on my ion box without passthrough it seems to have sound, but the powerline adapters can't carry the stream so I haven't tested other than that

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: well that wont be very good for this fancy surround sound system then :)

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wagnerrp:

when we say 'use wires', we dont mean the AC lines

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wagnerrp:

:P

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rhpot1991:

heh

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rhpot1991:

town house, and I know

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wagnerrp:

theres always a way to run wires

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rhpot1991:

I'm gonna try to snake one again, didn't have much luck last time

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: a way that doesn't get me killed for making a mess?

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rhpot1991:

the powerline ones worked well for HD, including HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, you can always run some painted conduit along the ceiling

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wagnerrp:

run it behind hollowed out baseboards/molding, run it through ventilation ducts

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rhpot1991:

well I have to go up a floor, so I need to get in the walls

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: was a thought but the vent is right smack in the middle of the ceiling down here

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[R]:

wtf... stupid abc/disney and their stupid 720p

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wagnerrp:

what show in particular

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[R]:

me?

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wagnerrp:

well youre complaining about something youre watching

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[R]:

the secret life of the american teenager

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[R]:

:(

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wagnerrp:

that show frightens me (at least the cuts of it i see on the soup)

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[R]:

well i'm sure on the soup they pick only the best clips

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[R]:

its a pretty ridiculous show though

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vhann:

English is an entertaining language, love learning it :)

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dj_segfault1:

Hey. Does anyone know how to get rid of the cron.hourly "run-parts: /etc/cron.hourly/mythvideo exited with return code 1" errors (this is in Ubuntu Karmic)? Nothing gets written to stderr. Google says I need to create some directories and/or set some permissions the installer fails to do, but I've tried every one I can find and I'm still getting them.

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like jamu is failing

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dj_segfault1:

wagnerrp: Yeah, that's what cron.hourly is calling. But there's no error message. I see lots of posts on the intertubes from others with this problem, so I don't think it's me. There are dozens of places jamu does an exit(1) with no error message.

[05:26:18]

dj_segfault1:

I was hoping someone here would have a definitive solution.

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tank-man:

what is return code 1 ?

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dj_segfault1:

It just means an error. Typically command line programs exit with 0 (no error) or 1 (error). Then again, typically command line programs print an error message to stderr to tell you *why* they're exiting 1.

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wagnerrp:

jamu should be printing such an error

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iamlindoro:

No current copy of Jamu exits 1 without an error message

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iamlindoro:

if your copy does, it is woefully out of date

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dj_segfault1:

I tried modifying cron.hourly to redirect stderr to a file, and nothing gets written to it.

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iamlindoro:

check your version

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wagnerrp:

it errors to stdout

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dj_segfault1:

I just updated to Karmic, so it's whatever version of jamu comes with Karmic, which is only about 4 months old itself.

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wagnerrp:

and shipped with RC versions of mythtv 0.22, pre-release

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iamlindoro:

Karmic came with pre-0.22, not .22

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, very out of date

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wagnerrp:

their feature freeze hit before mythtv was finished

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dj_segfault1:

Hmm There's no package in Synaptic called Jamu. Must be part of mythbackend. But if it's just a Python script, can I somehow fetch the latest version of that script and reasonably expect it to work with Karmic's release of the Mythtv software?

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[R]:

its part of mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

You should *not* continue to run pre-0.22, you need to enable the mythbuntu -fixes builds and update to current fixes

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wagnerrp:

update your mythtv packages, and jamu should come with it

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iamlindoro:

www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds IIRC

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dj_segfault1:

I just looked and Synaptic says mythtv is 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

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dj_segfault1:

I don't think it's pre-0.22, unless they're lying.

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iamlindoro:

it is

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wagnerrp:

its 0.22-fixes, but prior to the official release

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wagnerrp:

that was branched several weeks before the official 0.22 release

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iamlindoro:

you're missing a couple hundred fixes, including related to your issue

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wagnerrp:

jack bauer gives another display of complete badassery tonight

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iamlindoro:

0.22 was 22754, current fixes is 23473

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[R]:

that show just gets more and more ridiculous

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dj_segfault1:

Ugh. But if Ubuntu isn't offering the updates in their repository, that means I need to remove all mythtv packages and install by hand, right. That could get ugly.

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

you just add the mythbuntu auto-builds repository and update your packages

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iamlindoro:

see url above

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dj_segfault1:

Ah, thanks. Do I need to do that on front ends too? I guess I would.

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iamlindoro:

you would want to-- your current installs have multiple *major* bugs that have been addressed

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iamlindoro:

It's bad enough to be running the actual release and not -fixes-- you're not even running the release

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dj_segfault1:

Yeah, I already had to edit another script to prevent other errors. I'll do that. Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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dj_segfault1:

One more Q: This may be too close to Ubuntu not MythTV though. I installed Ubuntu (not Mythbuntu), but when I boot, I get this Mythbuntu splash screen with black/white diagonal lines during startup and login. I edited grub to get around the first one, but I still get it on login. I would rather see what the computer's doing, like I used to. I tracked it down to the package mythbuntu-gdm-theme, but I can't rem

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wagnerrp:

thats a ubuntu/mythbuntu issue

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wagnerrp:

you need to disable the fbsplash theme

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wagnerrp:

it may be be set by grub, or it may be set within the initrd

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wagnerrp:

or depending on how ubuntu handles that stuff, may be compiled into the kernel

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vhann:

dj_segfault1: Doesn't your menu.lst contain a "quiet" or "splash" line?

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dj_segfault1:

OK, I'll bug them. Thanks for your help. Is there any risk running the autobuilds.

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wagnerrp:

only if a problem shows up in -fixes

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dj_segfault1:

vhann: I already eliminated those. So I don't see that splash screen while booting, but I still see it after I log in. Very annoying. I'm a geek and I want to see what the computer's doing. In fact, I really miss when distros used to show every /etc/init.d succeeding or failing.

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wagnerrp:

then why are you using ubuntu?

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dj_segfault1:

wagnerrp: Well it can be much more buggy than what I have now ;)

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wagnerrp:

the intent of ubuntu is that you never have to look at or dig through that sort of stuff

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vhann:

dj_segfault1: I believe what you want is basically what all rpm-based distros do

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dj_segfault1:

wagnerrp: I'm using Ubuntu because Fedora pissed me off too many times with conflicting packages from the third-party repositories you need to do things like DVD, MP3, etc. Multiple times I ended up in a situation where I couldn't upgrade something because packages from different repositories conflicted. Ubuntu has one set of well-managed repositories to rule them all, so there are no missing dependencies or co

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dj_segfault1:

But it's like the Mac: 95% of the time it runs sweet, but when something fails it's hell to find out why. I had a real mess with MySQL after the upgrade to Karmic. MySQL wouldn't start, and it turned out that some packages wanted 5.0 and others wanted 5.1 so I got a mix, and no startup script. And now all the config files I learned to know and love and understand (xorg.conf, /etc/init.d) are all going away. W

[06:01:50]

pistol-mcgee:

For some reason, On a fresh install of MythTV, My Pinnacle 800i was detected as video0 and dsp1. Now after it not working with my Sky Satellite box, I thought i would check the Wiki and see if there was any info on it. After checking the Wiki i found that it had drivers/Firmware for my card. I installed this firmware to find that it has made it so video0 and dsp1 are no longer there. Somehow, Installing drivers disabled my card. (specs: Shuttle

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dj_segfault1:

pistol-mcgee: Are there _any_ /dev/video* files?

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pistol-mcgee:

No, Not anymore

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kormoc:

dmesg says?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: 'stop using a framegrabber'

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kormoc:

dmesg is smart

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pistol-mcgee:

dmesg as for that particular device. Just gives me a bunch of ir error codes (not a problem as i use the VFD panel/remote from the shuttle)

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iamlindoro:

A better question is what one is doing with an ATSC tuner capturing output of a UK STB

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iamlindoro:

and with that, I sleep

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wagnerrp:

theres no DVB/PAL version of the 800i?

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pistol-mcgee:

I live in costa rica, So Sky is what i have. I belive if i read correctly theres BOTH a Analog and Digital tuner inside the one card

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wagnerrp:

no, there is a single tuner, capable of both analog or digital

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iamlindoro:

It's a hybrid, but as wagnerrp says, a framegrabber on the analog side-- so it's almost as bad as no tuner at all

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dj_segfault1:

pistol-mcgee: Do you see any lines referencing "v4l" in /var/log/messages or dmesg?

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wagnerrp:

certainly youre not picking up the UK based 'Sky', you have your own local station of that name?

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pistol-mcgee:

Tbh, i have no idea what signal its picking up. My spanish isnt that great and thats what the box is in (ive gotten video working on a past install of Win7MCE)

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pistol-mcgee:

As for v4l in /messages, Only thing i see is that it loaded

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pistol-mcgee:

That and it registered device video0

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hoban:

hello. I am planning on upgrading my fileserver to build mythtv on and would like a couple of recommendations. I have an AMD X2 4400+ cpu that I'd like to keep if possible so I figure I need to get a card that can transcode and take that load of the CPU it would need to support HDTV

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wagnerrp:

a 4400+ is fine for a backend

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wagnerrp:

what do you intend to capture?

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hoban:

wagnerrp, TV... ;)

[06:12:07]

hoban:

I don't understand fully what you're asking

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wagnerrp:

cable, satellite, broadcast?

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hoban:

ah, HD cable from comcast

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wagnerrp:

then youve got a couple options

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wagnerrp:

you can get a QAM tuner, for digital reception

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wagnerrp:

but most of the stuff will be encrypted, and youre not likely to get more than your local broadcast channels

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wagnerrp:

silicondust maintains a list of what cable companies broadcast unencrypted, browseable by zip code

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wagnerrp:

you can get a STB, and connect to it over firewire for digital capture

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wagnerrp:

but again, most if not all of the channel will likely be encrypted

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hoban:

we're actually only paying for "limited basic" cable at $15/month so I assume the HD stuff we get is the unencrypted stuff you mention

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wagnerrp:

that one is trial and error

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wagnerrp:

in that case, stop paying, prop up an antenna, and buy an ATSC tuner

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hoban:

?

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wagnerrp:

?

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dj_segfault1:

By law the basic local channels are broadcast and you can use a digital antenna to get them for free.

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hoban:

so would I get less channels over the air than I do currently over cable?

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dj_segfault1:

Even so, it isn't always done.

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wagnerrp:

'basic cable' by definition is only the local broadcast channels

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dj_segfault1:

Where are you?

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[R]:

there is no such thing as a digital antenna vs an analog antenna

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pistol-mcgee:

I have just found out, That my SKY box, Programming is based out of Mexico and used to be DirecTV

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wagnerrp:

they might throw in some additional stuff like cspan

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hoban:

I'm in Utah, US

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY reason to get basic cable is if you live in the mountains, and cannot get reception because you have no LOS

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hoban:

I originally got it because it was $10/mo and dropped my internet bill by $15/mo :) so that makes two reasons

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wagnerrp:

or that

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hoban:

:)

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hoban:

ok, so I get an antenna and then *poof*, I have basically the same channels?

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dj_segfault1:

If you continue to use the cable box you'll need an IR blaster to change channels though

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Loto:

is a homemade bowtie directional?

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

hoban: yes

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Loto:

hoban : you need the tuner card too ;)

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wagnerrp:

and you have higher quality ones than Comcast's transcodes

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hoban:

ok, if I did that, additional TVs in the house wouldn't have a signal other than what comes from the backend, yes?

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hoban:

unless I had additional tuners I guess

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wagnerrp:

assuming you dont split off the antenna lead to those as well

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wagnerrp:

you already have coaxial run through your home

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hoban:

right

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wagnerrp:

you can just buy an amp, and feed them signal

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wagnerrp:

youll have to be considerably more aware of signal strength with broadcast than with cable

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hoban:

Is there a writeup somewhere of what you're describing to me? I don't want to waste your time with all the details

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wagnerrp:

what is there to writeup?

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dj_segfault1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV

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wagnerrp:

check antennaweb.org or tvfool.com for a broadcast map

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hoban:

I've always been a cable subscriber with a cable box and a tv. this is a completely different "architecture" that I have no experience with

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wagnerrp:

shows you how far and what direction your local broadcasters are

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dj_segfault1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#A . . . TV_broadcast

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wagnerrp:

tells you what kind of antenna you would need

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hoban:

ok, I'll look into those resources. thanks!

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dj_segfault1:

Am I the only one left slumming with SD PVR-350? I have 1.5TB storage as it is. I would need a SAN to go HD.

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wagnerrp:

dj_segfault1: ive still got a pair of 150s for analog cable

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wagnerrp:

and theres at least one user in here with 22TB in a single box

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Macka:

hi guys

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wagnerrp:

dont start talking about a SAN when your current storage capacity is less than a single hard drive

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dj_segfault1:

22TB? Sounds like someone's trying to back up Netflix ;)

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pistol-mcgee:

So basicly what you guys are telling me is i need a new TV Tuner?

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wagnerrp:

dj_segfault1: no, just a personal collection of blurays, at ~35GB a pop

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wagnerrp:

pistol-mcgee: framegrabbers have not been the suggested form of analog capture for mythtv in several years

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wagnerrp:

try to find a PVR-150 for that

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wagnerrp:

or some other IVTV card

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dj_segfault1:

Lots of users upgraded to HD, so you can get them used cheap on ebay.

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hoban:

I've got a PVR-150 I could sell

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hoban:

I'd like to get a HD card

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[R]:

whats an "hd card"?

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hoban:

I mean a card capable of capturing HD content

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wagnerrp:

hoban: [R] is implying that you want a 'digital card'

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hoban:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners dont care about resolution

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wagnerrp:

they just capture a bitstream

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

tasty bits

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pistol-mcgee:

Would a S-Video Connection to the card and a Digital Coax audio to my reciever work?

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hoban:

I see

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pistol-mcgee:

Or would they all have to be analog

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[R]:

pistol-mcgee: "the card"? coax from where to your receiver

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pistol-mcgee:

Coax audio from the SKY box to the receiver

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pistol-mcgee:

Then Svideo from the SKY box to the Tuner

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[R]:

myth needs to capture the audio

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wagnerrp:

pistol-mcgee: if you ran audio to your receiver rather than your backend, mythtv could not record it

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[R]:

unless you want your recordsing not to have any

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pistol-mcgee:

=\

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pistol-mcgee:

Looks like im buying a PVR-150 if i want TV then

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dj_segfault1:

pistol-mcgee: You may not need it with that beefy a processor, but the PVR-350 has the encoder built-in. Much less work for the CPU.

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pistol-mcgee:

Yeah, We kinda built it for 1080p+ movies

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wagnerrp:

dj_segfault1: he wants an mpeg encoder, regardless of CPU speed

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dj_segfault1:

agreed, given the price difference today.

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Macka:

has anyone in here had any success with the Hauppauge Nova-TD 500 IR receiver?

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pistol-mcgee:

And if i didnt want to record TV but just watch it, Same deal. Correct?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter, mythtv records everything

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wagnerrp:

if you really did just want to watch tv directly, a framegrabber would be fine

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wagnerrp:

but at that point, youre usually better off just plugging the STB straight into the TV

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[R]:

if you are using a box... whats the point of myth if you just want to watch live tv

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pistol-mcgee:

As of right now, using a fairly old projector which only has VGA/Composite in. So everything goes through the HTPC, To VGA

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[R]:

this fake 5.1 sound freaks me out so much

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[R]:

i know its 2.0... but it seems so real

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wagnerrp:

it may be real 5.1

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wagnerrp:

ProLogic was a tech designed to pull (something close to) the original surround signal from a stereo track

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[R]:

its mtv

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pistol-mcgee:

Thanks for the help.

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dj_segfault1:

It should have been called FalseLogic.

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dj_segfault1:

OK, I've reached my zinger quotient for the day. It's 1:45am here. Time to go to sleep. Thanks again, wagnerrp.

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Macka:

does anyone know how to activat/install evdev under Mythbuntu 9.10?

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Macka:

Most of the tuts I have read on setting up lirc mention evdev, however it doesn't appear to be installed

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[R]:

you dont have to do anything

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[R]:

there is nothing to "install"

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Macka:

I read it was part of the newer kernel

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Macka:

however when I type evdev at the prompt it comes back with Not Found

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[R]:

who said there was a command called evdev?

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Macka:

about 8 different webpages that I've been reading, however they were for older versions

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[R]:

there has never been an evdev command... for one... it makes no sense

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Macka:

maybe I'm just not understanding what they have written

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Macka:

I'm quite confused about the whole process, I've read lots of different things and they all seem to do the same thing in a different way

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Macka:

I'm just wanting to test whether or not my remote is being detected, if it is then I'll need to create a config file

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tank-man:

try the lirc web site

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tank-man:

it tells you the process to test it

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Macka:

I was following it at one stage, but it seemed to be saying that the testing only applied to serial receivers

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Macka:

mine is a built in receiver (in my Haupauge Nova-TD 500)

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tank-man:

and does it work?

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Macka:

well, it's picking up TV fine

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tank-man:

are you at the lirc web site?

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Macka:

yup

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Macka:

it says: Type su to get root privileges and start mode2

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Macka:

so I type: su mode2

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tank-man:

yea did that work?

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pistol-mcgee:

su mode2 would switch to user mode2

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Macka:

no, it returns: Unknown id: mode2

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tank-man:

probablly need to type: sudo mode2

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Macka:

returns: no such thing

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Macka:

cancel that last one

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Macka:

my relay is bad, it returns: mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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Macka:

the next line it returns is: mode2: default_init(): No such file or directory

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tank-man:

so does a file named /dev/lirc exist?

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Macka:

sudo mode2 /dev/lirc

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Macka:

mode2: Too many arguments

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tank-man:

you can use the list command: ls /dev/lirc

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tank-man:

to see if you got that file

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Macka:

doesn't exist, however there is a lircd

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tank-man:

any other lirc file or directory?

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tank-man:

maybe /dev/lirc/0 ?

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Macka:

I just saw someone recomment /dev/lirc0

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Macka:

but niether that nor what you suggested work, "File does not exist"

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tank-man:

you can use a wildcard: ls /dev/lirc*

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Macka:

only thing that appeard is /dev/lircd

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Macka:

appears*

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tank-man:

probably need to start from the begining of the doc at the lirc website

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tank-man:

maybe some specific mythbuntu howto would be faster

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Macka:

I've been looking for one, but no success

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newbie005:

Hi, I'm suddenly getting a message "Tuner 1 has an error". How can I debug this?

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[R]:

look at the backend log

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newbie005:

I see a couple "Unknown encoder: 1" messages

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newbie005:

"MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 1"

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Macka:

ok, thanks for your help tank-man, I might start a thread on the mythbuntu forum

[07:18:43]

tank-man:

ok goodluck

[07:19:08]

newbie005:

Mythtvsetup, shows the correct modprobe info.. meaning it's identified the model number of the card

[07:19:46]

justinh:

mythtv-setup doesn't identify *anything*

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newbie005:

I get what your saying

[07:20:01]

justinh:

you're supposed to configure your tuner yourself

[07:20:19]

justinh:

if you don't pick the correct tuner device or select the correct *type* of tuner, things will go wrong

[07:20:41]

justinh:

let's see some log from the backend, in a pastebin

[07:21:00]

newbie005:

it's been working great, up until 3 days ago,,

[07:21:03]

newbie005:

will do thanks!

[07:21:04]

justinh:

as in – you go to pastebin.ca or wherever & paste log output into the big text box there

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justinh:

all we need to see is log output from when the last time mythbackend started

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wagnerrp:

is there some sort of rule that anyone who uses some form of 'myth' in their name on the mailing list is a crackhead?

[07:22:30]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah. it's obligatory

[07:22:43]

justinh:

same goes for anybody with 'guru' or 'neo' in their IRC nick

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newbie005:

http://pastebin.ca/1791033

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justinh:

/ignore -replies *myth* *guru* *neo* :D

[07:24:17]

wagnerrp:

good thing mythlogbot doesnt talk much

[07:25:16]

justinh:

newbie005: that's log output from mythfrontend

[07:25:25]

wagnerrp:

seriously though... multiple partitions make a drive seek more often?

[07:25:33]

wagnerrp:

where could you possibly come up with an idea like that

[07:25:56]

justinh:

least the last line makes me think it's not backend log output

[07:26:19]

justinh:

anyhow, seems to me that the tuner card is broken somehow

[07:26:39]

justinh:

either that or it's a digital tuner & the signal is poo

[07:27:02]

newbie005:

it's from mythbackend.log

[07:27:16]

newbie005:

actually it's working now

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newbie005:

I'm not sure why

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newbie005:

I tried restarting it a few times,

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah & we all know seeking is bad right – if a HDD seeks too much it'll break

[07:28:04]

newbie005:

thanks for the help though

[07:28:15]

justinh:

cos HDDs aren't supposed to seek. God

[07:29:54]

justinh:

newbie005: this kind of stuff "2010-02–04 04:53:33.336 [mpeg2video @ 0x3d61def6e0]Missing picture start code" looks like the tuner card is producing rubbish.. don't think that should happen often

[07:30:32]

justinh:

course it could just be that it's not actually a PVR card & it's one of those new devices which hasn't been supported for long....

[07:31:25]

newbie005:

it's a haughpaugh 1950, only the analog works and has to be sized at 720x480

[07:31:42]

newbie005:

I just wanted a 150 but couldn't find one

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justinh:

hmm. maybe it's still a tad on the new side & sometimes the driver she fally over

[07:35:31]

justinh:

or maybe that PC Chips motherboard was a bad choice ;-)

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justinh:

hmm googling the 'missing picture start code' seems to indicate it's something mythcommflag is seeing

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newbie005:

I don't notice any problems, but I'll look into

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, his seek comment makes sense. he didn't say the # of seeks increases, he said the seek times increase. going from cylinder 0 to 1000 to get to another partition takes longer than going from 0 to 10 to write to a different file in the same filesystem.

[07:45:34]

justinh:

anyway, putting out for 12 tuners but not preparing for a fancy IO arrangement seems silly

[07:45:48]

justinh:

he'd prolly be better off going for 2 backends

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justinh:

says he, with 15 'tuners' sitting at home

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** Captain_Murdoch needs to rewrite mythcommflag to not seek and just read the file sequentially twice. that would stop a lot of the questions people ask that they think are flagger related when actually they're related to seeking in teh file. **

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: assuming the disk isnt near full, and seeking all over the place to wherever it can find free space anyway

[07:47:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

I have 8 physical tuners, not counting multirec. most ever going at one time is normally 4.

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justinh:

8 physical tuners? heheh

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justinh:

somebody likes their teevees

[07:48:19]

justinh:

this was always going to bring me back to wondering what the most extreme mythtv system in the wild is like

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, just different formats. HDHR for QAM, air2pc for OTA ATSC, M179 for analog cable, and a M402U for my old sat receiver.

[07:48:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

air2pc hardly ever get used now that I have multirec.

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justinh:

since Freeview moved to only 5 muxes from 6 I use my 3rd tuner less nowadays

[07:50:25]

justinh:

I think 8 is the most simultaneous recordings I've done

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justinh:

in real life I mean, not testing

[07:51:06]

justinh:

with only one recordings SG too. I'm just waiting for that to trip up

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justinh:

& my wife still complains myth misses the start/end of her shows. despite padding 5 mins either way by default

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wagnerrp:

i think ive done 6

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have 5 drives so 5 SG entries, so I'm normally writing to separate disks anytime I'm recording more than one thing at once.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i thought the head traverse time on those drives was well below the rotational latency anyway

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justinh:

wagnerrp: maybe it is. In the specs :D

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wagnerrp:

at least reported seek times scale fairly linearly with rotational speed

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justinh:

doesn't mean you won't lose time through re-seeks & junk

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, having to maintain 2 separate sets of tables for separate filesystems will also increase the # of seeks you do. can't seek to one place on the disk and update a couple places near to each other, you have to seek across the disk to another partition to update the second table for the other FS.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, forgot about that part

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justinh:

if you've got one big disk there's little point splitting it into partitions & using those partitions for SGs innit

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Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, with the SG scheduling logic, it actually hurts because it defeats the I/O balancing.

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you use multiple parts on the same disk

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justinh:

yeah I can see that

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: that logic is in effect even across multiple storage groups?

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Captain_Murdoch:

my main focus was I/O balancing which also has the side-effect of less fragmentation.

[08:03:58]

wagnerrp:

i.e.: writing to both Default and LiveTV

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yes, the weights are calculated per filesystem/partition.

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Captain_Murdoch:

because you could have 1 SG with multiple dirs on the same filesystem or multile SG's with one dir on the same fileystem, or any permutation.

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Captain_Murdoch:

that reminds me, I need to doublecheck sometime to verify that MV using the internal player is updating inuseprograms so that playback session is taken into account when it's on a filesystem shared with recordings.

[08:07:09]

** Captain_Murdoch is off to bed. 3am here. **

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levander:

I'm trying to run scte65scan, but keep getting this error: "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0: Device or resource busy".

[08:24:43]

levander:

Myth isn't currently recording, I just checked that.

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wagnerrp:

is your backend running?

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levander:

Yeah, it is. I've got to stop it?

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wagnerrp:

unless you tell it to unlock the tuner when its not in use

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wagnerrp:

which is not the default setting

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levander:

It's working now. Thanks wagnerrp.

[08:26:00]

levander:

I need to make my own instructions. I've done it several times, but only like once every 4 months. And, I always forget something.

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wagnerrp:

usually one ends up scripting it, so they dont have to follow instructions

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levander:

Yeah, I've thought about doing a periodic scan that will tell me if there are any channel line-up changes. The problem is that idea is probably a little too aggressive for my limited time.. Or, I guess I could just do a really simple kludge one that wouldn't tell me what the changes are, just that there are changes...

[08:28:21]

wagnerrp:

and probably not worth it considering scte65scan is on the way out

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levander:

wagnerrp: It's on the way out?

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wagnerrp:

comcast has been turning on privacy mode

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levander:

grrrrrrrrrrrr

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wagnerrp:

meaning in the future, your QAM tuner will not be able to pick up those channels

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levander:

What about the DC50x boxes? Do those things understand privacy mode?

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wagnerrp:

the full cable boxes? no

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wagnerrp:

but they wouldnt want to use it anyway

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wagnerrp:

since they have access to the higher quality HD channels

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levander:

The DC50x boxes are the cheap little things Comcast sent out when they shut off analog. That's what you're talking about? That's what I was asking about.

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wagnerrp:

those use privacy mode, yes

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wagnerrp:

the channels were originally in the clear because comcast was not allowed to use privacy mode

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levander:

Damn.

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levander:

wagnerrp: Is it possible for Comcast to turn on privacy mode for some channels but not others?

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wagnerrp:

certainly... why would they?

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levander:

That's what I'm looking into now, why my Myth box isn't getting channels a TV with a DC50X box is getting.

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levander:

Comcast customers aren't ticked? There's a lot of people with a ClearQAM tuner in the LCD tv's and love not having a cable box.

[08:38:19]

levander:

You'd think they'd at least wait till tru2way got decent penetration before turning on this privacy mode.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter if theyre pissed, theyll just get told to rent the $1 box

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levander:

Wow. I hate monopolies.

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levander:

And, what's worse, I was looking at communications stocks just now. A lot of people think the cable companies are about to experience a really good run up.

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levander:

scte65scan has just had this out the bottom of it's output for over 7 minutes now: "tuning 255012500hz.locked...PID 0x1ffc timeout". Not sure it's still doing anything...

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levander:

And, there's nothing in the output file yet. But, I don't know if that's because of file buffering or what.

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levander:

You know, I do have a copy of scte65scan that's on the box which I compiled about 9 months ago. Is it necessary to upgrade? It worked fine 9 months ago.

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be

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levander:

What is this "-H FFFFFFF" stuff I'm seeing everywhere. From the usage message when you run something like "scte65scan -help", I don't even see a -H option.

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levander:

I know I wasn't doing "-H FFFFF" before...

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wagnerrp:

cant tell you, never used that program before

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levander:

Never used scte65scan?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

my cableco has no such box

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levander:

well, re-running it a 2nd time, it got past that hang, and there's stuff in the output file!

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levander:

Oh, cool, I got the channels I was missingg!!!!!!!

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justinh:

I don't just hate monopolies. I hate all board games

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ivor:

justinh: ta dum, tsssccchhh.

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justinh:

scrape me off the ceiling. main stealer wants less than the friendly local backstreet car shops for service/MOT & timing belt change

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[Peter]:

justinh: Get a car with a chain next time ;)

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justinh:

it might be a chain for all I know

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[Peter]:

then it doesn't need replacing

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justinh:

heh

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[Peter]:

not during regular maintenance anyway

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justinh:

not that timing belts are a regular change thing either

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justinh:

but this.. the main stealer has never been cheaper for anything. this is unheard of

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AndyCap:

justinh: orders from the manufacturer?

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justinh:

maybe, no idea

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justinh:

always used to be the case that the main stealer would cost more by a good margin, but you'd be bound to them by the warranty agreement

[11:57:55]

justinh:

that changed when the EU banned that practise :)

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justinh:

must've made em buck their ideas up about pricing too

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[Peter]:

yeah, and I've found out that they are very often cheaper when it comes to spare parts as well compared to the "pirate" parts dealers.. at least BMW is

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Cipher42:

can anyone help me get mythtv working over firewire from my stb?

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justinh:

hahaha my web provider won't let me have ssh access until I fill in a paper form

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oobe:

that is really lame

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justinh:

yup. emailed them back & said I won't be renewing. They're an *internet* company ffs

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bjd:

too many kiddies about i guess

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bjd:

not often you see many web hosts taking that responsible attitude tbh

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justinh:

give them their dues they asked why & when I told them they put phpmyadmin on my control panel :)

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Memphis:

Hey guys, just setup a new system running Mythbuntu 9.10 32bit, e3200, geforce 9300 with vdpau for decoding. Problem is that when I am rewinding livetv and I try and rewind back to the start of viewing ~0 seconds, it segfaults, causing mythfrontend to close

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Memphis:

anyone experienced that before?

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Cipher42:

can anyone help me get mythtv working over firewire from my stb?

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ivor:

Memphis: if its segfaulting get a backtrace. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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ivor:

Cipher42: best option, say what the problem is and ask a question. tips and info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire

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Cipher42:

what do i need in "preset tuner to channel" and "starting channel" fields?

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Cipher42:

not exactly sure what starting channel is

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justinh:

starting channel is the channel to start on

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Cipher42:

it says it

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Cipher42:

it's used every time you change cchannel>

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justinh:

it's updated every time you change channel

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justinh:

but you have to tell myth what channel to use by default before you ever even use it

[13:06:15]

justinh:

and just for the record this channel must exist. Funny, that

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justinh:

e.g. the default is to use channel 3, but if channel 3 doesn't exist in the channel table, ummm...

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Cipher42:

for some reason my external channel changing command won't work

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Cipher42:

when i look at the logs its like the channel number isn't getting in there

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[Peter]:

justinh: you'd think it could pick the first available channel if the default channel doesn't exist.. it's not very helpful to just return back to the menu :)

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[Peter]:

justinh: without any error

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justinh:

I don't care. I only set it once & since testing my tuners haven't had occasion to use livetv

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Cipher42:

any idea why mythv doesn't use the 6200ch script right?

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justinh:

it doesn't use the script. it has its own inbuilt channel changing for firewire, I thought...

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Cipher42:

i have to use the 6200ch script, which works on the command line but not in myth for some reason

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Cipher42:

it acts like the channel number isn

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Cipher42:

t sent to the command

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justinh:

myth would only send the contents of the freqid field to an external channel changing script IIRC

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justinh:

so if the freqid field is empty, it won't send anything :)

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Cipher42:

so i just put the channel number in freqid field?

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Cipher42:

that worked thanks

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Cipher42:

what is a partial lock

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justinh:

wonder why I know about so much stuff I don't even flipping use

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justinh:

a partial lock is so-called because it's a lock which isn't full :D

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Cipher42:

all i get is a black screen and a message about a partial lock

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justinh:

could be that the channel you're trying to capture is 5C encrippled

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Cipher42:

shouldn

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Cipher42:

t be

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justinh:

that's what they all say

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Cipher42:

with verizon the first 50 aren

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Cipher42:

t

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Cipher42:

this keyboard is killin me

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justinh:

do some searching on "mythtv firewire partial lock" & see for yourself

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justinh:

see that 'shouldn't' and 'isn't' are 2 different things ;-)

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justinh:

ooo bugger. just watched a demo of one of our new toys. a camera head with 2 sensors: visible & IR. The IR can spot a body from over 200m away in pitch darkness

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ivor:

oooh. nice.

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ivor:

got my new IR camera up at the weekend.

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justinh:

when I say IR I mean heat detecting

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ivor:

aha proper IR very nice.

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justinh:

unlike most CMOS sensors which are just about sensitive to IR near the visible end

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justinh:

apparently the sensor module is limited to 8fps so it "can't be used for military apps"

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ivor:

I guess it can get visibility through bushes and hedges too.

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justinh:

to a certain extent it can

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Cipher42:

you can't use an external script for changing channels of a dvb device?

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justinh:

no you cannot

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justinh:

but then you can't tune a cable box output with a DVB tuner either

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Cipher42:

TVRec(2) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '3' on input MPEG2TS instead

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Beirdo:

blEH

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Beirdo:

it was time for an upgrade of code :)

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Beirdo:

the web interface will hopefully be getting a bit of work soon too

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justinh:

lol. The MythTV project has 50 lines of DOS script

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justinh:

whoops. I meant 70 lines

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sid3windr:

according to ohloh? :P

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justinh:

ohloh nevah lies!

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xand:

MythLogBot: stop that.

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XLV:

bad MythLogBot

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XLV:

havent you teached it manners?

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Beirdo:

stop what?

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Beirdo:

jeez.

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Beirdo:

it is very well mannered

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Beirdo:

if you haven't been notified about the logging in the last 24 hours, it will do so when it restarts, or when you join the channel

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Beirdo:

with European privacy laws as they are... that might not even be often enough

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justinh:

apart from me, who looks in the logs anyway>? ;-)

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justinh:

oh FFS. OFCOM have approved the sale of 2 more freeview channel places

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justinh:

so first they hack six muxes down to 5 by squeezing the hell out of some channels & doing a couple away.. and now they have room for 2 more?! Pfft

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devinheitmueller:

Wow, did the license agreement for MCE compliant remote controls require them to stick a big frigging "Windows" button in the middle?

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iamlindoro:

Probably :) Easily removed though

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sid3windr:

I think so actually :p

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, kind of annoying.

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devinheitmueller:

Anybody happen to know what IR standard it uses? RC5? RC6?

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devinheitmueller:

NEC? RC6A?

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure all the MCE remotes are RC6

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: great. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

mine says so on the back IIRC

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devinheitmueller:

ok

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devinheitmueller:

I need to become independently wealthy. This will help alot in finding time to work more on MythTV.

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tjw:

can someone help me out with a question about multi-rec with a hdhomerun and using the NEXTCARD command?

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tjw:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/342420#342420

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tjw:

I've done that, but there's a problem with it

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tjw:

whenever i use NEXTCARD to switch to a different tuner, it auto-tunes to a new channel and breaks my recording

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tjw:

if there was one going on with that tuner

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wagnerrp:

hitting that button in livetv breaks a scheduled recording?

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tjw:

does anyone know how to prevent NEXTCARD from auto-tuning to startchan?

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** iamlindoro punches the new facebook interface **

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tjw:

wagnerrp: right, if one of my tuners is recording and I NEXTCARD to that tuner, it re-tunes

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tjw:

the recording continues, but on a new channel

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wagnerrp:

that sounds trac-worthy

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wagnerrp:

this is on 0.22-fixes?

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tjw:

right

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tjw:

latest mythbuntu build of 22-fixes

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tjw:

i don't have enough info to open a ticket yet i guess

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tjw:

thought maybe there was just a way to turn off that auto-tuning feature

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some setting that allows livetv to preempt a recording?

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tjw:

yeah, i don't think i have that enabled though

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wagnerrp:

no, it will always go to the starting channel as defined by that tuner

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tjw:

there are two columns in cardinput (tunechan and quicktune) does one of them change the behaviour?

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wagnerrp:

quicktune changes how tuning is performed

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wagnerrp:

not what it tunes to

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tjw:

ah

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wagnerrp:

tunechan is what you set a tuner to, if youre going to be using an external channel changer and an RF modulator

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tjw:

ok thanks

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tjw:

i'm guessing that startchan gets updated whenever I tune something on that card?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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tjw:

so the problem is with multi-rec it's not updating all the cards on the same tuner

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tjw:

the virtual cards that is

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tjw:

just the virtual card that is being used

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wagnerrp:

yes, however it should not attempt to tune something outside the mux

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wagnerrp:

if it is, thats broken

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zkab:

mythfrontend-0.22 gives me: MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi ... and the same for /dev/power and /dev/trace ... whatis this ?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/406089

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tjw:

wagnerrp: thanks for the help, that gives me something to go on

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zkab:

wagnerrp: thanks – I will check the link and see if it makes me happy

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wagnerrp:

tjw: basically, if that is repeatable, it should go on trac

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zkab:

wagnerrp: so where do I go from here ... udevinfo failed to start

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wagnerrp:

zkab: dont know what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

just referencing that the error has popped up before

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zkab:

wagnerrp: has anyone solved it ... or is it something that can be ignored

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unixSnob:

is it possible to run the frontend within a window, and not have it take the whole screen?

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unixSnob:

the standard way on most apps is alt-enter... but it does nothing

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devinheitmueller:

unixSnob: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=457253

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devinheitmueller:

That's the first hit that Google comes back with when you search for "mythfrontend window"

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unixSnob:

devinheitmueller: that just gives a fullscreen sized window that is not resizeable

[18:47:45]

kormoc:

which is all you'll get

[18:48:44]

kormoc:

you can resize it by changing the gui height/width

[18:48:58]

kormoc:

but it's gonna be hard coded and not allow your WM to resize it on the fly

[18:49:01]

unixSnob:

so I ahve to run it inside VNC viewer or something

[18:49:14]

kormoc:

which won't really work well with video

[18:50:02]

unixSnob:

sounds like I should use mplayer instead, for the viewing

[18:50:11]

** kormoc shrugs **

[18:50:23]

unixSnob:

i'll just need to find a way to get mythtv to use less cryptic filenames

[18:50:26]

kormoc:

Myth wasn't designed to be used like that, but it's your setup, do as you wish

[18:50:31]

kormoc:

mythrename.pl

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unixSnob:

thanks

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dustybin:

would this make a nice mythtv frontend board:

[19:20:45]

dustybin:

http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-ionitx-c-u-atom . . . erboard.html

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boludiko:

hi

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boludiko:

i have a problem, i change the .mplayer/config to subs-text-scale=5 and the subs don't change size

[19:29:59]

boludiko:

how i can fix it?

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kormoc:

try #mplayer ?

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boludiko:

but i use mythtv

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kormoc:

but you're modifying mplayer

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boludiko:

sow.. how can i change it on mythtv?

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kormoc:

you can change the mythtv subtitle size in the frontend playback settings

[19:31:03]

kormoc:

but it won't change mplayer'

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boludiko:

where?

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kormoc:

Given I'm 30 miles away from my frontend, I can't be more specific, you'll need to look yourself

[19:32:22]

[Peter]:

anyone know why the autoplay feature of DVDs would just return back to the menu, I can see that it's able to mount the disc and read title information etc but after that it just stops

[19:32:36]

[Peter]:

Selecting Play DVD manually works fine

[19:32:56]

boludiko:

ok.. another question... i have a mkv with subs inside the video... but i can see the sub

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boludiko:

do you know if mythtv can see this?

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newbie006:

/quit

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Er1K:

wagnerrp: you around?

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jY:

i love dustybin

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dustybin:

HAHA

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dustybin:

what you doing here

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jY:

i heard you were here.

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dustybin:

be warned, this isnt a friendly channel

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dustybin:

:P

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Zathraz:

what is the default keyboard shortcut of mythmusic for playing the select song please?

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wagnerrp:

Er1K: what did you need

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Er1K:

wagnerrp: you mentioned yesterday the existence of motherboards with onboard nvidia that supported vdpau...I've looked and looked but can't find anything other than some crappy atom stuff. Any pointers would be appreciated!

[21:11:27]

wagnerrp:

any 8 or 9 series motherboard will do

[21:11:38]

wagnerrp:

8-series support AMD processors, 9-series support Intel processors

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Er1K:

ty, that gave me the right keywords to pester uncle google with

[21:12:33]

Er1K:

thanks again

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Er1K:

wagnerrp: I think I will get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813135085

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wagnerrp:

ECS hardware is generally advised against by most people

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]Oscar:

in Mythvideo I edit the title, then update metadata by pressing "W". go to the next film, edit metadata, press "W", and the frontend is freezed

[21:28:24]

]Oscar:

I don't know if it is related, but I'm using storagegroup

[21:28:38]

hackman:

how do I cancel the recording of a single episode on a channel rule?

[21:28:57]

hackman:

In "Upcoming Recordings", it seems I can only delete whole rules, not single episodes.

[21:29:01]

Er1K:

ty, wagnerrp, work generally pays for my non-tv related computers, so I don't really keep up with component brands anymore

[21:29:22]

Er1K:

hackman: I think in upcoming recordings, there is an "override" that I think will do what you want

[21:29:35]

Er1K:

hackman: you could also just select something else in that same timeslot and override that one TO record

[21:29:55]

hackman:

Er1K: thanks. I'll try that.

[21:30:48]

wagnerrp:

if you say 'dont record' in the 'upcoming recordings' screen

[21:30:52]

streeter:

the mythweb interface has a "don't record" button by each upcoming recording

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wagnerrp:

it will simply override that recording

[21:31:01]

wagnerrp:

it wont cancel the entire rule

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Er1K:

that's the guy, wagnerrp

[21:31:05]

]Oscar:

someone having same problem?

[21:31:21]

sphery:

In mythfrontend, there should be an option to override (in the menu or something)

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wagnerrp:

i need to update my themes....

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wagnerrp:

i forgot to do so on the last update

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wagnerrp:

so im stuck with that 'no highlighted text' issue

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sphery:

wagnerrp: shouldn't you just file another ticket that says that text is missing?

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wagnerrp:

how do you get charged for 'attempted weapons possession'

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stuartm:

hole in your pocket?

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devinheitmueller:

According to MTV.com: "The distinction is that the weapon was potentially something available for immediate use."

[21:59:55]

devinheitmueller:

wow, I just quoted mtv.com. Shoot me now.

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stuartm:

*bang*

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devinheitmueller:

stuartm: perhaps *that* was attempted weapons posession?

[22:00:36]

iamlindoro:

And with him dies any chance of a v4l dev looking at our code

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devinheitmueller:

HA!

[22:01:00]

iamlindoro:

It's a miracle! He's fine!

[22:01:09]

devinheitmueller:

crap. No I'm not.

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** devinheitmueller falls over dead. **

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wagnerrp:

he feels quite better now

[22:01:33]

iamlindoro:

Never liked him anyway

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devinheitmueller:

who would?

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iamlindoro:

smug

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iamlindoro:

;P)

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iamlindoro:

er ;)

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devinheitmueller:

I thought you were my [facebook] Friend!

[22:03:17]

iamlindoro:

new facebook P'ing me O right now

[22:03:19]

janneg:

iamlindoro: heh, I'm kind of a v4l dev too

[22:03:31]

iamlindoro:

janneg: True, point taken ;)

[22:03:44]

devinheitmueller:

It's true – janneg is way more a v4l dev than I am.

[22:04:15]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: New facebook stuck feeding me updates from like six hours ago-- one out of every 50 or so refreshes I get current stories

[22:04:27]

iamlindoro:

wonder how many users they'll lose over how broken it's been this week

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: yeah, me too. I figured it is just broken.

[22:04:36]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: none.

[22:04:44]

iamlindoro:

not to mention it jumped the shark when my mother, grandmother, and juvenile sisters joined anyway

[22:04:45]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: what are they going to do? Migrate to myspace?

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janneg:

devinheitmueller: huh? I would have said the same

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devinheitmueller:

janneg: you actually do things products like the HD-PVR driver. I just fix other developers' occasional f**kups.

[22:05:53]

devinheitmueller:

s/products/productive/

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janneg:

usb drivers don't count

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devinheitmueller:

janneg: well then I am *definitely* out of the game then, since something like 95% of my crap has been USB.

[22:08:43]

janneg:

100% of my v4l work is usb

[22:08:52]

devinheitmueller:

heh.

[22:09:07]

devinheitmueller:

I can only get so much mileage fixing regressions Mauro introduced.

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janneg:

and I probably use your fixups more than my driver

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devinheitmueller:

I'm looking forward to winning the lottery so I can work on drivers and MythTV full time.

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devinheitmueller:

On the other hand, it's a shame that I don't play the lottery because I know what the odds are.

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wagnerrp:

screw that... higher someone else to do your programming desires at that point

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yeah, good plan.

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I would also be willing to be hired by a lottery winner to do driver and MythTV full time.

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wagnerrp:

he

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devinheitmueller:

You see, I'm flexible.

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wagnerrp:

h

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stevieman:

is there a current howto on creating an auto xvid/divx transcode? My recordings are just too big

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode will do mpeg4asp

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wagnerrp:

which is the same codec as xvid and divx

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wagnerrp:

if you want something better, check out nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

or, just clip out commercials for the ~30% reduction in size that gets you

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: Most of what I record right now is stuff for my son which has no commercials, 1 gig for 30 mins

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wagnerrp:

thats fairly small already

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stevieman:

that's huge in my world :) I've downloaded stuff that's about 350 MB for an hour, btw this is SD not HD

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stuartm:

stevieman: and the quality is rubbish as a result, but if that doesn't concern you ...

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stevieman:

The quality is just fine for SD TV, doesn't look any worse than a Sat or Cable signal

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stuartm:

matter of opinion

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stuartm:

I actually wish most channels would use a 2GB/hr bitrate, unfortunately it's only true for BBC One/Two over here

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stevieman:

Suppose it is a matter of opinion, just like my coworkers complaining about the quality of an MP3, I can't really hear the difference or I guess actually it sounds just fine so why go bigger

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stevieman:

I'll have to check out nuvexport and mythtranscode

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stuartm:

I should get angry with you, after all it's this attitude that means that broadcasters feel they can get away with low bitrates and the rest of us suffer, but you're not alone and it wouldn't achieve anything

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stevieman:

Well since I don't have an HDTV I don't see the reason to have HD quality picture. I suppose if I had an HDTV I might feel differently but I haven't been impressed with HD quality here in Canada perhaps that is because of the low bit rates?

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stuartm:

I can't hear the difference between a 192Kb/s mp3 and a 320Kb/s mp3, but the difference when it comes to video is easier to see, or maybe that should be: much harder to ignore

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stevieman:

Well the stuff I've seen in xvid at 350 megs per hour is clear and artifact free.

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stevieman:

Anyways I'd love to continue this debate but I have to head home.

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stevieman:

thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

clear and artifact free at 40 feet with no black or dark scenes, maybe

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iamlindoro:

astonishing that the random SD xViD crap people steal off the internet can be called "clear and artifact free"... tolerable for the price you paid, maybe, but far, far, far from adequate

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iamlindoro:

Guess those of us who pay for our content are a bit more demanding...

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stuartm:

even if I were inclined to drop my integrity and download pirated copies of tv shows or film, I somehow doubt I'd be satisfied

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stuartm:

I'm no more of a videophile than I am an audiophile, which is to say not at all, but there are still limits

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iamlindoro:

walked into the Superbowl party I attended to find the ~46 inch Samsung LED backlit LCD being fed by the HD cable STB with component

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iamlindoro:

bah, composite

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stuartm:

heh

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iamlindoro:

went home and grabbed component cables, brought them back, then toggled between the SD and HD versions of the channel to show them the difference-- they got it then, but hadn't noticed up to that point

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stuartm:

I do wonder why some people bother to go with top of the range TVs boasting excellent picture quality and costing $$$$$ only to feed it the worst picture possible, SD no less!

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iamlindoro:

In this case it was just plain ignorance about how it should look, and lazy cable installers

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janneg:

because it's big and costs much money

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iamlindoro:

I put myself in the shoes of these non-technical people who are told that they now have the best picture possible, and who trust a cable installer to do their job, and find it hard to blame them

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iamlindoro:

and a much easier time blaming the cable guy

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stuartm:

janneg: heh, I was about to roll out an analogy about sports cars which don't go further than the driveway, but when I looked it at that way I came to the same conclusion

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stuartm:

it's more about the bragging rights than interest in picture quality

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janneg:

OTOH HD content is not that easily available in some parts of europe

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stuartm:

at least in some cases

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janneg:

at least in the case of Television

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stuartm:

there is a definitely a level of technical ignorance that companies are more than willing to exploit in the sale of HD tvs to consumers who have no access to HD content

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janneg:

germany's main public TV channels start their HD programs friday with the olympic winter games

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stuartm:

iirc both BBC and ITV launched their HD channels with championship football games

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janneg:

and it'll be mostly upscaled SD

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stuartm:

whoops

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wagnerrp:

i have a friend who went to visit his grandparents

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wagnerrp:

only to discover the 60" plasma in the basement had been hooked up to their satellite receiver running at 480i for the past two years

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wagnerrp:

it was even hooked up properly

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wagnerrp:

the DirecTV tech just never flipped the receiver over to HD

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stuartm:

:/

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janneg:

only two non-sports programs in HD in the first week for ARD

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stuartm:

so they were able to get the difference between the SD and HD subscription costs for those two years refunded, right? :p

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elmojo:

my uncle had his new Sony 46" HD LCD hooked up to the modulated RF output of the cable box... so I immediately went and got him an HDMI cable... then later was blamed because the video didn't stretch to fill up the entire screen... I tried to explain why the black bars existed but to no avail... I'm guilty even until this day

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wagnerrp:

you couldnt just show him the 'aspect' button on the remote?

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elmojo:

don't go getting technical on me

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stuartm:

top left button on Sony remotes, toggles between fill/aspect ratio overrides :)

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elmojo:

it was a 4:3 sent as 16:9 signal so the TV didn't automatically stretch and teaching them how to do it wasn't the issue but the fact that it used to work right until I touched it

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elmojo:

at any rate... it was all in good humor

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mzb:

my grabber isn't showing any of the upcoming olympics as HD

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mzb:

(although I've just noticed that the HD channel for that station is now transmitting)

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elmojo:

mzb: where you located?

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mzb:

elmojo: .au

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bobgill:

any canucks here with HD from bell/rogers? Just looking for feedback, about to go HD in a few weeks or so

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