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| [00:55:55] | Macka: | Just out of interest, does anybody else find that MythWelcome sometimes reports that the system is transcoding, even though all jobs appear to be finished (using the system information menu) |
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| [00:56:58] | wagnerrp: | i think mythwelcome tends to be ignored by most poeple |
| [00:56:58] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
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| [00:57:29] | Macka: | really? how come? |
| [00:57:38] | wagnerrp: | most people dont see a use for it |
| [00:57:47] | Macka: | (apart from the fact that it appears to be a bit buggy) |
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| [00:57:57] | waterdude: | hi |
| [00:57:58] | wagnerrp: | it only serves to allow shutdown on combined fe-be machines |
| [00:58:04] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [00:58:07] | waterdude: | is mythtv useable on linuxmint 8 |
| [00:58:38] | iamlindoro: | If he pops in to one of our other channels someone can unban him later, otherwise I'll do it tomorrow |
| [00:58:51] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is usable on any variant of linux with a semi-modern kernel |
| [00:59:21] | Macka: | wagnerrp: which is what I use |
| [00:59:32] | wagnerrp: | we could really use some form of management bot in here to handle these sorts of things |
| [00:59:35] | Macka: | perhaps I'll have to find time and see if I can find the cause of the bugs |
| [00:59:52] | wagnerrp: | Macka: that setup is surprisingly rare |
| [01:00:07] | wagnerrp: | most people arent too concerned of shutting down their machines |
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| [01:00:32] | wagnerrp: | or at least only do so for split frontends, in which case mythwelcome isnt needed |
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| [01:00:58] | Macka: | It just seems so useful to me, I'm basically using my mythbox as a VCR replacement, and having auto shutdown saves power and helps keep our room cool |
| [01:01:09] | Macka: | I have to go, cya |
| [01:02:35] | waterdude: | use a shuttle box |
| [01:02:41] | waterdude: | best way to run a mythbox |
| [01:02:52] | wagnerrp: | that has nothing to do with his question |
| [01:03:17] | sphery: | I thought the Shuttle program was scheduled to be killed this year (after 5 more launches or so)? :) |
| [01:03:33] | iamlindoro: | better sell your house before the view is ruined |
| [01:04:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, but you can buy a shuttle to install your new mythtv system for a mere $27M |
| [01:05:03] | sphery: | we'll still have rockets to watch--the expensive taxis that the government is going rent |
| [01:05:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that would be a very unique myth install |
| [01:05:35] | wagnerrp: | those are going to get launched from the cape? |
| [01:05:46] | sphery: | though Mark Shuttleworth is likely to be one of the only ones who can afford it |
| [01:06:32] | sphery: | Oh, I don't know... If NASA doesn't do the rockets from Kennedy Space Center, at least the Air Force will still likely continue to use Cape Canaveral AFS. |
| [01:07:13] | wagnerrp: | i mean i thought those would just continue to be launched from russia |
| [01:07:38] | sphery: | Oh, I was talking about the ones that they're going to rent from Boeing and Lockheed |
| [01:08:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, not anything manned though |
| [01:08:19] | wagnerrp: | those are all just heavy cargo launch |
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| [01:12:47] | sphery: | this is what I was talking about: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/915100 . . . _space_taxis |
| [01:13:28] | sphery: | basically NASA won't own any of the vehicles--it will just pay for a ride |
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| [01:15:29] | newbie005: | hi, when I edit a video to flag commericals, the current flags are missing.. |
| [01:15:32] | newbie005: | do I have to load them or something? |
| [01:15:34] | sphery: | newbie005: Z |
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| [01:15:39] | newbie005: | thanks! |
| [01:15:46] | sphery: | newbie005: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 |
| [01:16:00] | sphery: | see "In edit mode" |
| [01:16:38] | sphery: | and, from just after you left earlier... |
| [01:16:39] | sphery: | 20100204 12:09:01<+sphery> where's a newbie005 when you want to add: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 under "In edit mode" |
| [01:16:43] | sphery: | 20100204 12:09:11<+sphery> oh well, guess he won't learn about > and <...~ |
| [01:17:55] | wagnerrp: | huh... wasnt aware any of those companies had manned equipment |
| [01:18:08] | sphery: | none do |
| [01:18:11] | sphery: | we're starting over |
| [01:18:42] | sphery: | why use the only piece of man-rated equipment we have as the basis of a new program when you can throw everything away and start over |
| [01:19:02] | sphery: | (and not own anything when done) |
| [01:19:02] | iamlindoro: | sometimes it pays to start over |
| [01:19:07] | sphery: | that is true |
| [01:19:30] | sphery: | but the Ares program was a pretty good way of starting over |
| [01:19:42] | sphery: | (I'll be the first to admit that the shuttle needs to die) |
| [01:19:54] | sphery: | and the basis of it was already man-rated |
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| [01:24:28] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/422035#422035 confuses me... Not only does it seem that dash is re-interpreting status codes and returning a 1 for true (0 exit status) or a 0 for false (non-zero exit status), but it seems that gnome-screensaver-command is returning an error with --version, whether gnome-screensaver is running or not |
| [01:24:30] | wagnerrp: | its a shame all the maintenance that had to go into repairing those tiles |
| [01:24:48] | wagnerrp: | the shuttle really had promise to drastically cheapen launches |
| [01:25:02] | sphery: | the SSTO had a lot more promise :) |
| [01:25:30] | sphery: | but since it's also composite materials, it may have been expensive, too |
| [01:26:06] | wagnerrp: | SSTO will never be economical with chemical rockets |
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| [01:32:58] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHA |
| [01:33:23] | wagnerrp: | former governor of illinois is going to be on Celebrity Apprentice |
| [01:34:19] | bonelifer: | two bad hair pieces on one show? |
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| [01:43:13] | zephead: | hello. I recently acquired a USB-UIRT and am trying to control a comcast DVR (TDC 575D, which uses DCT2xxx codes). I had to modify /etc/init.d/lirc (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8557053&postcount=12) in order to get transmitter to work, and via commandline it works great ("irsend --device /dev/lircd1 SEND_ONCE DCT2000 5 4 OK" changes to channel 54). I cannot get this to work in any of the pre-canned scripts however. |
| [01:43:15] | zephead: | Any ideas? |
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| [02:22:52] | wagnerrp: | so they spelled 'Manhatan' wrong tonight on Fringe in the big text |
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| [02:36:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe that's how they spell it in the other universe? |
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| [02:48:58] | wagnerrp: | so i cant see this episode ending well |
| [02:49:24] | wagnerrp: | its not going to be a cliffhanger |
| [02:49:37] | wagnerrp: | but something bad is going to happen at the end of the episode |
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| [03:14:07] | wagnerrp: | yep... saw that one coming |
| [03:15:01] | sphery: | after closing a 3rd ticket today, time for me to get dinner and catch up on Fringe (but I'll bet I won't see it coming) |
| [03:17:21] | wagnerrp: | of course not, youre still on last season |
| [03:17:23] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [03:23:56] | sphery: | heh, I'm actually watching Fringe as it airs this year |
| [03:23:58] | sphery: | and LOST |
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| [03:27:03] | Macka: | What's Fringe about? |
| [03:27:50] | Macka: | never mind, I found it |
| [03:28:03] | Macka: | looks like it might be good |
| [03:28:35] | wagnerrp: | FBI agents and mad science |
| [03:30:05] | mag0o: | mad agents and fbi science? |
| [03:30:12] | Macka: | worth buying? (seems they aired it a few years ago, so I've missed it) |
| [03:30:36] | wagnerrp: | first season was on last year, second season is currently airing |
| [03:32:18] | Macka: | wikipedia: Australia First-run premiere: September 17, 2008 |
| [03:32:37] | sphery: | 2008 is last year in TV time |
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| [03:33:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm only 3 behind current on Fringe |
| [03:33:34] | wagnerrp: | Macka: thats only 16 months back, still counts as last year |
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| [03:34:08] | Macka: | lol |
| [03:34:34] | Macka: | the second run was on digital before we had it |
| [03:35:50] | ** sphery makes a mental note to always check for sci-fi-filming cameras before helping the guy who passes out ** | |
| [03:36:49] | sphery: | if I notice the cameras, I could run away before the spores are released |
| [03:37:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah... and stay away from people vomiting blood too |
| [03:37:44] | sphery: | good idea... I'll remember that one, too |
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| [03:56:04] | russk: | help me understand ... do I need to run mythtranscode on my recordings if they are already mpg from a Hauppauge WintTV-pvr-usb2? |
| [03:57:33] | Macka: | depends |
| [03:57:35] | [R]: | need to for what |
| [03:57:55] | Macka: | if you want permanent commercial removal, yes |
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| [03:58:15] | Macka: | if you want to downgrade the quality, yes |
| [03:58:59] | Macka: | otherwise, I can think of no reasaon to transcode |
| [03:59:09] | Macka: | reason* |
| [03:59:32] | russk: | so either to remove commercials or change the quality but otherwise no |
| [03:59:42] | Macka: | correct |
| [04:00:13] | russk: | i'm seeing a lot of junk in the log |
| [04:00:49] | Macka: | what kind of junk? |
| [04:01:26] | ** russk is amazed by the current size of the log ... ** | |
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| [04:01:50] | russk: | for example : 2010-02–04 23:01:30.185 [mpeg2video @ 0x7f0fe5a6f880]Missing picture start code |
| [04:04:48] | Macka: | not sure what causes that, i' still quite new to MythTV |
| [04:05:23] | Macka: | google threw up some results, however they are from the bug teacker, so it may not be useful |
| [04:07:48] | russk: | ok, thanks |
| [04:14:55] | Macka: | I've had a quick look through the google reults, but I couldn't find anything useful. If no one else here has any suggestions, then perhaps try the mailing list, or if you are using mythbuntu or other distro, try asking on their forum |
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| [04:26:06] | sphery: | russk: you are running at default verbosity level, right (not -v playback) |
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| [04:26:37] | sphery: | that's likely a warning from libav, though, so I don't think you can stop that without changing the code |
| [04:27:02] | sphery: | if you have -v playback or -v all, you'll get a ton in addition to that, so make sure you use default verbosity (-v important,general) |
| [04:27:43] | sphery: | if you get so many libav errors that your logs are unmanageable, you can put a "filter" in place (even just using grep -v 'mpeg2video @' |
| [04:37:07] | Macka: | out of interest, is it worth regularly checking logs, even if nothing (noticeable) is going wrong? |
| [04:37:24] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [04:37:40] | wagnerrp: | basically, just check to make things are happy after a restart |
| [04:37:43] | oobe: | unless you want to out of interest :P |
| [04:37:54] | wagnerrp: | and check to make sure youre getting guide datas |
| [04:38:02] | Macka: | lol |
| [04:38:29] | Macka: | oh, that reminds me of something, EPG is causing the front end to crash when using Live TV |
| [04:39:22] | Macka: | I think I had it working once or twice after installation, but since then every time I press S it either flickers, does nothing or crashes the front end |
| [04:39:46] | high-rez: | Wow, blootubes a goner eh? |
| [04:39:49] | [R]: | does it work outside of live tv? |
| [04:39:49] | Macka: | only getting program data from EIT, no other sources |
| [04:40:01] | Macka: | yes, it is fine for scheduling recordings |
| [04:40:10] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: yep, unless someone decides to pick it up for a port |
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| [04:40:16] | wagnerrp: | not likely any devs are going to |
| [04:40:38] | oobe: | Macka, thats a reason to check the logs |
| [04:40:47] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Is it needing updating? |
| [04:40:53] | high-rez: | For a new api ? |
| [04:41:00] | Macka: | I tried enabling it when LiveTV starts via the settings, however that just causes a crash the second I try to open LiveTV |
| [04:41:07] | high-rez: | I loved it, was my favorite. |
| [04:41:14] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: no, its needing a complete rewrite, for a new theme format |
| [04:41:36] | high-rez: | I tried arclight – wife instantly yelled – the guide is too small/unreadable. |
| [04:42:24] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Gotcha. Well farewell old friend – you were great while it lasted ;) |
| [04:42:26] | Macka: | is there a "proper" way to clear the logs, so I can start them fresh, cause the crash and check what they have to say? |
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| [04:42:46] | [R]: | Macka: delkete it? |
| [04:43:07] | wagnerrp: | Macka: there are several logrotate programs you can use |
| [04:43:25] | wagnerrp: | just have it -HUP mythbackend to re-open the file after starting a new log file |
| [04:43:43] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Are there any other themes that will be expred? Is mythcenter still safe ? |
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| [04:44:12] | Macka: | [R]: That was my initial thoughts, but I wasn't sure if there was any script I should be using to do it "properly" |
| [04:44:16] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: the ones currently in 0.22 are there to stay |
| [04:44:30] | wagnerrp: | however mythcenter is hardly a theme, its a couple images and the default pages |
| [04:44:59] | sender: | I run into problems when portforwaring to mythweb like this: ext ip port 6667 -> internal ip port 80; This results in broken images and slow loading.. any ideas? |
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| [04:45:50] | oobe: | Macka, mythfrontend -v osd > /tmp/newfe.log |
| [04:46:19] | oobe: | that will make a you a fresh mythfrontend log at /tmp/newfe.log while logging extra info about the osd |
| [04:46:25] | wagnerrp: | sender: it otherwise works fine internally? |
| [04:46:26] | sphery: | sender: I highly recommend SOCKS proxying instead of port forwarding |
| [04:46:49] | sphery: | sender: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/12/08/ssh-tunne . . . re-browsing/ |
| [04:47:22] | wagnerrp: | is there any reason you cant use port 80,, instead choosing one typically used for IRC servers? |
| [04:47:23] | sphery: | sender: coupled with http://foxyproxy.mozdev.org/ basic or standard is great |
| [04:48:09] | sender: | well, port nr was a random pick |
| [04:48:13] | sender: | 80 is a nono |
| [04:48:27] | sender: | i've got a ssh tunnel set up right now, works great |
| [04:48:44] | sphery: | myth has some issues with client and server ports differeing |
| [04:48:48] | sphery: | use a SOCKS proxy |
| [04:48:50] | wagnerrp: | just run the server on port 6667 then, dont bother altering ports |
| [04:49:01] | sphery: | with foxyproxy, you can set it up so it's only used for the mythweb |
| [04:49:30] | sphery: | or do as wagnerrp said if you don't need the forwarding/proxy for firewall piercing |
| [04:49:59] | wagnerrp: | well theres still forwarding, just not translation |
| [04:50:15] | sender: | i need to give others access.. they wont be able to set up a tunnel... sphery: is SOCKS + foxy an easy client setup? |
| [04:50:32] | sphery: | foxy basic is easy |
| [04:50:49] | sphery: | but it doesn't allow proxy switching by URL |
| [04:50:58] | sender: | running the server on a diff port sounds good.. how do I change this? apache's vhost? |
| [04:50:59] | sphery: | the socks proxy is set up with ssh -D |
| [04:51:12] | ** high-rez runs squid for all of his proxy needs ** | |
| [04:51:22] | sphery: | so it's as easy as setting up ssh port forwarding |
| [04:51:31] | wagnerrp: | why cant you just use 80? some ISP restriction? |
| [04:52:01] | sender: | running other stuff on 80. higher prio stuff ;) |
| [04:52:20] | sphery: | in theory that would be an apache, right? |
| [04:52:20] | highzeth: | *caugh* rev proxy |
| [04:52:30] | sphery: | in which case ^^^ |
| [04:52:42] | Macka: | oobe: Thanks for that. |
| [04:52:53] | sphery: | (or even if not apache, any web server should be able to reverse proxy) |
| [04:53:05] | sender: | sure apache but on a diff machine |
| [04:53:06] | high-rez: | Man, at some point in the last couple of weeks mythweb broke for me – it used to run just fine – but it's complaining tyhat it doesn't exist – even though I know it's there (the .so is there) |
| [04:53:10] | wagnerrp: | right, you can have the 'higher priority' server proxy to the one running mythweb |
| [04:53:24] | wagnerrp: | or you can simply run everything on the same apache server on the same port using host filtering |
| [04:53:29] | oobe: | Macka, np |
| [04:53:31] | sphery: | high-rez: surely you don't have a .so for mythweb |
| [04:53:36] | sphery: | high-rez: mythbrowser, perhaps? |
| [04:53:44] | high-rez: | Err, for mythbrowser |
| [04:53:52] | wagnerrp: | ive got www.mydomain and mythweb.mydomain both running on the same apache server |
| [04:53:55] | sender: | it's a dev webserver, so it's not reliable, it will be tampered with |
| [04:54:09] | sphery: | high-rez: are you sure the installed .so is the same API version as mythfrontend |
| [04:54:15] | high-rez: | Right here: ./lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythbrowser.so |
| [04:54:17] | ** [R] hax0rs wagnerrp's mythweb ** | |
| [04:54:23] | sphery: | you should get some nice log messages saying why it won't load it |
| [04:54:36] | Macka: | oobe: Looks like I may have found the problem, appears to be a skinning issue |
| [04:54:44] | high-rez: | sphery: Yeah, I get no log errors. Infact I can go into the booke marks – but when I click on one it does nothing |
| [04:54:51] | oobe: | Macka, after you do that pastebin the logs of mythfrontend crashing to pastebin |
| [04:55:01] | Macka: | I'm running Metallurgy |
| [04:55:02] | sphery: | bad theme maybe? |
| [04:55:12] | oobe: | try a difference osd |
| [04:55:14] | Macka: | mm, that's what I'm thinking |
| [04:55:16] | sphery: | rm -r /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes/Metallurgy |
| [04:55:18] | sphery: | then reinstall |
| [04:55:27] | Macka: | yeap, about to try that and I'll see what happens |
| [04:55:52] | sphery: | Metallurgy would be the UI theme for high-rez |
| [04:56:03] | high-rez: | sphery: I'm using mythbuntu at the moment. The themes get updated everytime I recompile |
| [04:56:10] | sphery: | but it's the same idea for deleting and reinstalling whatever OSD theme you're using |
| [04:56:29] | sphery: | high-rez: that doesn't mean the garbage in them gets removed |
| [04:56:40] | sphery: | and doesn't mean that something might have gone wrong in the process |
| [04:56:43] | oobe: | metallurgy is lower case |
| [04:56:51] | sphery: | s/might have/didn't |
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| [04:57:20] | high-rez: | sphery: Everytime I recompile I do --prefix=/usr/myth[n] (where n is an integer I increment for each version) then I ln -s /usr/myth[n] /usr/curmyth (and then set my ld_library_path etc etc) |
| [04:57:23] | sphery: | ah, yeah, never can remember, anymore |
| [04:57:42] | sphery: | that should work, then |
| [04:57:48] | high-rez: | But I get no stdout errors |
| [04:58:00] | Macka: | ok, I changed theme to the original MythCenter and the EPG works again |
| [04:58:03] | sphery: | I don't have any guesses, then |
| [04:58:17] | sphery: | still would recommend changing themes at least (might be a problem in the theme) |
| [04:58:26] | high-rez: | Oh wow, it works in terra but not in mythbuntu |
| [04:58:26] | sphery: | that needs fixing... |
| [04:58:32] | oobe: | Macka, what was the error message in the log that made you find it was the theme |
| [04:58:39] | sphery: | high-rez: patches appreciated :) |
| [04:58:50] | high-rez: | sphery: Yeah you were right. Theme related. terra == good, mythbuntu == bad ;) |
| [04:59:45] | high-rez: | sphery: If I had the first clue... :) |
| [04:59:50] | sphery: | s/bad/broken/ :) |
| [04:59:52] | Macka: | oobe, give me a couple of minutes and I'll get a copy to this machine, my mythbox is yet to be networked |
| [05:00:11] | sphery: | there were just recently some changes to mythbuntu, iirc |
| [05:00:27] | sphery: | you could look at what changed and see if you can figure it out |
| [05:00:57] | high-rez: | Hmm. I'll have a look. |
| [05:01:15] | wagnerrp: | so im setting up Weave for firefox.... should i just give it a directory? or its own domain? |
| [05:01:24] | sphery: | high-rez: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/trunk/myththemes/Mythbuntu and [23443] would be my first guess |
| [05:01:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is that all open? |
| [05:02:33] | wagnerrp: | theyve got an open API, and i found a server that runs on php/apache here.... http://tobyelliott.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/w . . . imal-server/ |
| [05:03:19] | sphery: | nice... I didn't know you could run your own server |
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| [05:03:32] | oobe: | Macka, not important just curious |
| [05:03:50] | oobe: | i dont use EIT at all anyway |
| [05:04:20] | wagnerrp: | or apparently mozilla has a full (and complicated) server on their website |
| [05:04:38] | wagnerrp: | http://hg.mozilla.org/labs/weaveserver-sync |
| [05:04:56] | wagnerrp: | although their own documentation suggests you use that minimal server |
| [05:05:26] | sphery: | for me, my sync has been scp |
| [05:05:35] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:06:00] | wagnerrp: | i used to use googlesync, but AFAIK it hasnt been updated in several years |
| [05:06:07] | high-rez: | Ick, that's a bug. netvision is using real path – even though my current myth install is a softlink. |
| [05:06:23] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: whats that? |
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| [05:06:37] | sphery: | kind of nice, though, since firefox corrupted my places.sqlite (added entries to bookmarks with a name but no location and now I can't delete them--or even the folder they're in), so I have a "backup" on my laptop :) |
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| [05:07:25] | wagnerrp: | ive got my webroot set to snapshot itself on a regular interval anyway |
| [05:07:42] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: in the netvisionreegrabbers table – the thumbnail and command lines. I always intall each myth build into a unoque location(--prefix=/usr/myth[n]) and then use a symlink. But netvision is using the real absolute location |
| [05:07:42] | Macka: | http://www.andrewcraigmackenzie.com/myth/exerpt.log |
| [05:07:51] | high-rez: | So it fails between updates |
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| [05:08:33] | wagnerrp: | thats because it remembers where you installed it to |
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| [05:08:44] | arriflex: | I thought that link ended in .blog! |
| [05:09:05] | high-rez: | Hmm, i guess my use symlinks method doesn't really work then |
| [05:09:08] | wagnerrp: | if you have them all installing to /usr/myth, and set the prefix before installing, it should work fine |
| [05:09:42] | wagnerrp: | MNV would expect the grabbers to be in /usr/myth/share/mythtv/mythnetvision/scripts |
| [05:10:01] | wagnerrp: | even if the symlink installed them to /usr/myth23490234 |
| [05:11:56] | Macka: | how easy is it to edit themes? |
| [05:14:41] | sphery: | easy to edit |
| [05:15:00] | Macka: | I quite like the look of metallurgy, but it does have a few things that bug me, such as the box for the time is too small under MythWelcome and I want to be able to see more text in some of the menus |
| [05:15:08] | sphery: | time-consuming to create from scratch (and requires some artistic skill--and motivation) |
| [05:15:12] | wagnerrp: | at their base, theyre just XML files |
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| [05:15:41] | sphery: | Macka: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [05:16:31] | Macka: | I was looking at the dev guide, but i'll also check out those links |
| [05:16:47] | sphery: | dev guide? |
| [05:17:05] | Macka: | I definately don't have artistic skill to make my own (just look at my site, you'll see what I mean :P ) |
| [05:17:11] | Macka: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide |
| [05:17:44] | sphery: | that's menu theme |
| [05:17:53] | sphery: | says where things are in the menus |
| [05:20:09] | Macka: | ahh, does that cover the recording scheduler menu (the one with Do not record, Record once, transcode, comm flag) |
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| [05:22:04] | sphery: | no, the contents of that are done in code |
| [05:22:17] | sphery: | the size of the buttons is done in UI themes |
| [05:23:52] | Macka: | I understand that, but I found that the text box with the words "Do not record", etc is too short and I am assuming it is truncating the text |
| [05:24:27] | sphery: | is this 0.22-fixes? |
| [05:24:32] | sphery: | or trunk |
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| [05:25:00] | Macka: | it's whatever comes with Mythbuntu 9.10 |
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| [05:25:13] | sphery: | 0.22-fixes |
| [05:25:19] | Macka: | does it say under the system info |
| [05:25:23] | Macka: | ahh, ok |
| [05:25:45] | sphery: | would be available from mythbackend --version or mythfrontend --version |
| [05:25:55] | sphery: | anyway, I think the issue you're talking about is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7983 |
| [05:26:23] | Macka: | yep, it's definitely fixes |
| [05:26:34] | sphery: | do you have MS core web fonts installed |
| [05:26:47] | Macka: | what do the numbers in the brackets mean? |
| [05:26:50] | sphery: | if not, everything will look too small because your system will use DejaVu Sans, which is too wide |
| [05:27:03] | sphery: | means there was a change to trunk |
| [05:27:14] | sphery: | I'd bet you don't have msttcorefonts installed... |
| [05:27:44] | Macka: | I'm not sure, how can I check? |
| [05:28:24] | Macka: | (I'm not used to linux, I mainly use Windows) |
| [05:28:51] | ** sphery doesn't know *buntu nor aptitude ** | |
| [05:29:11] | Macka: | fair enough |
| [05:29:30] | Macka: | that ticket does seem to cover my problem, I'll go through it and see what i can find |
| [05:29:38] | sphery: | http://embraceubuntu.com/2005/09/09/installing-microsoft-fonts/ |
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| [05:30:43] | sphery: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts |
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| [05:35:38] | Macka: | I assume I need an internet connection to use any of the $sudo apt-get install * commands? |
| [05:36:03] | sphery: | pretty sure you would |
| [05:36:25] | frogonwheels: | Macka: unless you've got it on a CD and you have your /etc/sources set up |
| [05:36:28] | sphery: | you might be able to download the deb, copy it somewhere and install from that, but I don't know how |
| [05:36:32] | frogonwheels: | ermm. /etc/apt/* |
| [05:37:08] | frogonwheels: | Macka: you can also use dpkg -i <filename>.deb if you have the file. |
| [05:37:35] | frogonwheels: | Macka: you can configure sources from the package installer |
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| [05:38:43] | frogonwheels: | Macka: ..so why _doesn't_ that computer have a connection? |
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| [05:39:26] | Macka: | I haven't had a chance to get RJ45 connectors to make a cable up |
| [05:40:08] | frogonwheels: | roll-your-own cables, that's keen :) at least it shows you're not afraid to get you hands 'dirty' so to speak. |
| [05:40:16] | Macka: | I have a spare cable I could connect for a few mins, just a pain getting to the back of the box; I'll give that a go |
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| [05:42:30] | Macka: | anything I can do myself, I like to do myself. That's one of the reasons I learned how to program, even if it is "just BASIC" |
| [05:45:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: it took some apache config funkiness, but otherwise wasnt bad at all to get set up |
| [05:45:28] | wagnerrp: | although now i should probably get https working |
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| [05:46:01] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [05:46:44] | sphery: | doing a name-based virtual host that redirects to a directory in an https? |
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| [05:47:47] | wagnerrp: | name-based vhost, yes |
| [05:48:17] | wagnerrp: | although i couldnt figure out how to set up the RewriteEngine stuff to properly handle it |
| [05:48:36] | wagnerrp: | so i finally just ended up using their Alias line, aliasing it to '/' |
| [05:49:16] | sphery: | but you won't be able to do name-based vhost with https |
| [05:49:51] | wagnerrp: | just means i need to add additional SSL keys for each vhost |
| [05:50:08] | wagnerrp: | and sign them all individually |
| [05:50:26] | sphery: | but it won't know which host to be until the handshake is complete, right? |
| [05:50:37] | sphery: | and can't handshake if it doesn't know which cert to send |
| [05:50:55] | wagnerrp: | hmm... that may be why i could never get it working with mythweb |
| [05:51:19] | sphery: | i.e. you need the Hostname header before it would know, but it won't be sent until after negotiating the key |
| [05:51:41] | sphery: | I have name-based vhosts on http that send redirects to dirs in https |
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| [05:52:42] | wagnerrp: | yep... http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#vhosts2 |
| [05:53:55] | sphery: | something like http://pastebin.ca/1786767 |
| [05:54:24] | wagnerrp: | well i *could* throw each on its own IP |
| [05:54:38] | sphery: | yeah, separate IP or separate port would work |
| [05:54:44] | sphery: | but the redirect is nice enough |
| [05:54:56] | sphery: | and it has the benefit that you don't have to type https:// |
| [05:55:03] | sphery: | just: mythtv.example.com and it works |
| [05:56:28] | wagnerrp: | well ive got some time to consider it |
| [05:56:40] | wagnerrp: | i only hit stuff from internally and from work currently |
| [05:56:50] | wagnerrp: | and no one listens to our work connection |
| [05:57:40] | wagnerrp: | not unless one of the EPA people next door has started to do wifi snooping |
| [05:57:43] | sphery: | So, what I can't figure out is why the toxin in The Bishop Revival smells like cinnamon. Shouldn't it be almonds? |
| [05:57:54] | wagnerrp: | were rather hidden back in the woods |
| [05:58:01] | sender: | wagnerrp, sphery: would using a reverse proxy solve the problem (mythweb's problems with portforwarding)? |
| [05:58:11] | sender: | i've set up an subdomain at a remote server, created a vhost and used "ProxyPass / http://ipadres:6667/mythweb/" and "ProxyPassReverse / http://ipadres:6667/mythweb/" |
| [05:58:22] | sphery: | sender: yeah--just need the client and the server to use the same port |
| [05:58:35] | wagnerrp: | sender: with a reverse proxy, you send a request to one web server, and it forwards that request onto another webserver |
| [05:58:49] | sphery: | and since the reverse proxy would just connect normally, it would |
| [05:58:57] | sphery: | (the rp is the client to the MythWeb app) |
| [05:59:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well its not cyanide |
| [05:59:11] | sender: | so i can forward ports with the rev proxy, right |
| [05:59:18] | sphery: | but it's like cyanide, right? |
| [05:59:35] | wagnerrp: | you dont forward anything |
| [05:59:57] | wagnerrp: | you use a webserver which you halready have access to, to access one you dont currently have access to |
| [06:00:21] | ** sphery clears his explanation that wasn't half as good as wagnerrp's ** | |
| [06:01:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah... looks like it does about the same thing as cyanide |
| [06:02:37] | sphery: | Walter actually says, "Appears to be a variant of... What is that? Hydrogen Cyanide." |
| [06:02:52] | sender: | wagnerrp: ok, i understand, but the server that I currently dont have access to (how you put it) should be accessed at a different port than the server that I do have access to was. If that is possible "ProxyPassReverse / http://ipadres:6667/mythweb/" should have a chance, right? |
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| [06:03:28] | wagnerrp: | the two servers are completely independent, they can be running on whatever ports you want them to |
| [06:03:57] | wagnerrp: | however if youre proxying into the second server, theres no longer any reason to put it on port 6667 |
| [06:04:11] | wagnerrp: | just stick it on port 80, so you dont have to specify the port when accessing it internally |
| [06:05:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but cyanide is a fairly simple molecule... the thing he had on screen was a complex proten |
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| [06:05:54] | sphery: | yeah, that is /much/ more complex than cyanide |
| [06:06:17] | sulx: | this isn't really a mythtv specific issue but xmltv/perl. Anyone had this kind of problems before? http://pastebin.com/d24c214d4 |
| [06:06:29] | sender: | wagenerrp: the proxy is not inside the network of the target server. so it's: client --(--> sub.tld.com -> externalipaddress:6667 --)--> internalipaddress:80. Between (..) is the rev proxy. |
| [06:06:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guess the complex stuff is the Chromium Trioxide :) |
| [06:07:29] | wagnerrp: | if theyre not on the same network (and thus not on the same IP), then all of this effort is moot since there is no conflict |
| [06:07:41] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean the existing server is DMZ'd |
| [06:08:26] | sender: | wagnerrp: I think it works, if only not I now get a 'you have no permissions to access...' error |
| [06:08:58] | sulx: | ok downgraded perl-date-manip and now it works again :P |
| [06:09:24] | wagnerrp: | sulx: might want to notify your upstream XMLTV grabber |
| [06:10:02] | sulx: | yea |
| [06:10:09] | Macka: | sphery, I managed to get the fonts installed and it did fix the problem of the truncated text (apart from one string, but that's ok) |
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| [06:10:37] | sphery: | Macka: great |
| [06:10:50] | sphery: | in 0.23, there will be a better warning when you're using the wrong font |
| [06:10:58] | sphery: | (but in the log files where many won't see it) |
| [06:17:04] | Macka: | that's a shame |
| [06:17:15] | Macka: | there isn't anything on the wiki about it, is there? |
| [06:17:50] | Macka: | hmm, looks like there might be |
| [06:22:09] | sphery: | where's the warning |
| [06:22:17] | sphery: | on the wiki |
| [06:22:48] | sphery: | ah, probably http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . rect_this.3F |
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| [06:25:25] | Macka: | I di look at that a while a go, when I was considering building a Myth system, however I wouldn't have thought it applied, I thought it was a limitation of the theme |
| [06:25:30] | Macka: | did* |
| [06:26:33] | sphery: | yeah, if we let it work when we have the wrong font, then users aren't likely to notice the warnings |
| [06:26:41] | sphery: | if we don't, they're likely to think something else is broken |
| [06:26:54] | sphery: | maybe we should put in a nag message that comes up every time you start mythfrontend |
| [06:27:47] | Macka: | i'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not there, but I think a warning message would be useful when you go to select a theme |
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| [06:29:33] | sphery: | it would have to be when the theme is loaded and we ask for the font and get a different one |
| [06:29:36] | Macka: | "Warning: you are missing some fonts that are required for this theme. You can still use the theme, however, some text may not be readable" . Continue/Cancel |
| [06:31:35] | Macka: | is there a built in function for displaying message boxes or is each one coded speciffically for the job? |
| [06:31:44] | Macka: | I should be asking this in dev |
| [06:31:55] | sphery: | there's a popup |
| [06:32:37] | sphery: | MythPopupBox |
| [06:33:12] | sphery: | or maybe MythDialogBox |
| [06:33:54] | Macka: | ok, so you could pass some params and get a return value. ret = MythDialogBox("Warning...", other params) |
| [06:35:09] | sphery: | yeah, something like that |
| [06:35:31] | Macka: | do you do much coding for MythTV? |
| [06:36:00] | sphery: | not UI stuff |
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| [06:36:36] | Macka: | what areas? |
| [06:36:55] | sphery: | mainly the backend stuff |
| [06:36:56] | sender: | wagnerrp, sphery: great I've got it working now. Thanks for the help! |
| [06:37:11] | sphery: | sender: cool, hope it works for you |
| [06:37:16] | sphery: | and the others |
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| [06:41:35] | wagnerrp: | huh... thats a new one |
| [06:41:44] | wagnerrp: | 'UnknownProtocol: HTTP/0.0' |
| [06:42:33] | sphery: | wouldn't that be an old one? |
| [06:43:06] | wagnerrp: | response from Myth/GetProgramDetails |
| [06:44:19] | Macka: | I'm off for now, thanks for all of your help sphery, frogonwheels, oobe and anyone else I have forgotten to mention |
| [06:44:31] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [06:44:56] | oobe: | seeya Macka |
| [06:45:02] | oobe: | nice of you to say that |
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| [07:06:08] | sender: | Is there a catch (like cache) when changing code in ./modules/tv/tmpl/default/recorded.php ? Changes do not show up. |
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| [07:29:44] | joakim_: | Hello all |
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| [07:34:01] | joakim_: | I was woundering if any one knows if its possible to move a recorded show from one mythtv machine to an other one both machines are stand alone backenend ones. the problem is that I was about to retire my old machine and installed a new one, I did install a new and started to use it but I have some shows that Id like to add to the new machine for listing in the veiw recordings, any suggestions? I have googeled and read all that I |
| [07:34:01] | joakim_: | have found at mythtv.org with out luck |
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| [08:05:33] | tank-man: | joakim_, I did a google search with the terms "mythtv backup merge" and gave this user supplied script to do what you want http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /279840.html |
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| [08:20:16] | joakim_: | tank-man, I have not found that document, but Im not sure it will work since I dont use the storage groups and both instants of mythtv back-ends are totally separate but I might be abel to use the sql statment ( just has to think real hard to find my bad sql knowlage), Hopefully it will work, thanks tank-man |
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| [09:59:08] | Tanthrix: | OK, why the heck is my HD-PVR suddenly glowing bright blue? |
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| [10:01:59] | justinh: | Tanthrix: be glad it's blue hot, not red or white hot ;-) |
| [10:03:03] | Tanthrix: | I'm just confused as to why it is suddenly doing this after a week of no glowing. |
| [10:03:29] | justinh: | a dry joint on the PCB? ;-) |
| [10:03:33] | frogonwheels: | Tanthrix: some one pressed the 'glow blue' button? |
| [10:03:55] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Better not be! |
| [10:04:10] | Tanthrix: | frogonwheels: Damn, why didn't I think of that. |
| [10:04:30] | justinh: | heheh the -users list has sunk to a new low |
| [10:05:01] | justinh: | coming soon, people starting threads with even more vague subject lines like "HELP!" |
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| [10:05:31] | justinh: | you just know a project is starting to reach the masses when that happens |
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| [10:52:18] | ivor: | ah. that weekend feeling. woo. |
| [10:53:20] | justinh: | I'm giving it til 3.15 this afternoon before I get the weekend feeling |
| [10:53:30] | justinh: | if stuff hasn't hit the fan by then I'm good ;-) |
| [10:54:12] | justinh: | oo nice. www.popbox.com – a completely black page with a 'get flash player' link on it |
| [10:57:05] | ivor: | justinh: I may have peaked too early I guess. |
| [10:58:53] | mzb: | you're both living in the past ;) ... well into weekend time here |
| [10:59:08] | justinh: | ugh. flashy flash flash yukky. |
| [10:59:41] | justinh: | "You'll want to learn to use "Adobe Flash Lite for the Digital Home". It's a version of Flash specific for set-top boxes. It supports hardware-accelerated H.264 1080p video embedded into flash apps." |
| [11:00:35] | TauPan: | ah, my "t-home media receiver" just arrived |
| [11:00:55] | TauPan: | (proprietary tv over ip, with lots of drm) |
| [11:01:04] | justinh: | anybody using the word 'lite' in a product name should be shot |
| [11:01:10] | TauPan: | (completely not compatible with myth in any way) |
| [11:01:28] | justinh: | TauPan: what did you expect – it's IPTV ;-) |
| [11:01:48] | TauPan: | well, there's dvb-i which *is* compatible |
| [11:01:51] | mzb: | TauPan, so you're saying it's useless? |
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| [11:02:04] | TauPan: | no, not useless... wife-compatible hdtv in the living room |
| [11:02:22] | mzb: | ah |
| [11:02:23] | TauPan: | and I don't have to build a myth-appliance myself |
| [11:02:26] | Faithful: | Hey is Mythbuntu a good way into mythtv or is there a better? |
| [11:02:38] | mzb: | Faithful, good enough |
| [11:02:40] | justinh: | Faithful: depends on your expectations |
| [11:02:47] | mzb: | better is building your own |
| [11:03:01] | justinh: | also depends on your ability level |
| [11:03:02] | TauPan: | my provider floods my line with those packages anyway, so I thought I could just expend 50€ for that box |
| [11:03:16] | Faithful: | gotta build it on something.... |
| [11:03:25] | mzb: | Debian |
| [11:03:38] | justinh: | Faithful: if you want to save time, not have to mess about configuring stuff from scratch... sure |
| [11:03:52] | Faithful: | What about Mythdora? |
| [11:04:05] | justinh: | they're all much of a muchness IMHO |
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| [11:04:24] | Faithful: | i prefer debian based |
| [11:04:31] | mzb: | depends if you prefer to maintain an rpm-based distro or deb-based |
| [11:04:36] | justinh: | so go with mythbuntu then :-) |
| [11:05:27] | Faithful: | I have mythbuntu but my HDD spat the chewy... too hot... too long... 12cm fan cut into side of case now. |
| [11:05:47] | justinh: | oh noes! mythbuntu burned out your HDD! :-O |
| [11:05:54] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [11:06:36] | Faithful: | No the little case with hardly any ventilation and an hot Athlon did that. |
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| [11:07:02] | justinh: | anyway, point is – all the mythtv based distros have the same goal in mind |
| [11:07:07] | Faithful: | Now we have a big fan... I defy it to get hot. |
| [11:07:16] | Faithful: | What about linux mce? |
| [11:07:24] | justinh: | none of them are ostensibly 'better' than the others, though their project leaders might disagree ;-) |
| [11:07:26] | Faithful: | that myth too is it not? |
| [11:07:29] | justinh: | what about linuxmce? |
| [11:07:45] | justinh: | apart from the fact it still uses a VERY old version of mythtv & its UI looks like ass |
| [11:08:16] | justinh: | and it depends on very expensive hardware to utilise it to its full potential... |
| [11:08:37] | justinh: | if a DVR is all you want, go with LinHES, mythbuntu or mythdora etc |
| [11:09:21] | justinh: | and when all is said & done, once it's all installed & running it shouldn't matter a *jot* which distro you run |
| [11:09:34] | sid3windr: | what about tvheadend! |
| [11:09:56] | justinh: | sid3windr: lemme know when it's finished ;-) |
| [11:10:01] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [11:10:05] | sid3windr: | looks promising though. |
| [11:10:07] | mzb: | but if you want to spend months(?) learning how to get something that _exactly_ suits your needs (ie: more than fine tuning) then build from scratch on an OS of your choice |
| [11:11:02] | justinh: | heh I spent an hour installing mythbuntu & days ripping parts off it to make it do my bidding |
| [11:12:15] | justinh: | so it's not mythbuntu anymore really :) |
| [11:12:36] | mzb: | I started with knoppmyth a few years ago, but it only took a few hours to annoy me so I restarted from scratch |
| [11:13:40] | mzb: | I wouldn't recommend that approach if you're not familiar with "a distro of your choice" |
| [11:14:49] | Faithful: | I have so much fiddling to get my sattv card to work I prefer to easiest approach as possible. |
| [11:15:08] | justinh: | no distro can really reduce the 'amount of fiddling' |
| [11:15:09] | mzb: | that being said, knoppmyth gave me a good idea of how the whole system worked |
| [11:15:25] | justinh: | it all relies on the kernel supporting your hardware to the level you need |
| [11:15:43] | mzb: | Faithful, so start wuth mythbuntu |
| [11:15:46] | mzb: | s/with |
| [11:16:03] | justinh: | you HAD mythbuntu on the box to start with.. why change? |
| [11:16:18] | Faithful: | mzb, is from nz no doubt |
| [11:16:45] | Faithful: | justinh, mythbutu burned out my HDD it was suggested |
| [11:17:12] | mzb: | nz? |
| [11:17:18] | Faithful: | but I would be trolling |
| [11:17:20] | justinh: | I was being sarcastic :-\ |
| [11:17:35] | sid3windr: | I lol'd. |
| [11:17:48] | ** mzb is speechless ** | |
| [11:17:53] | justinh: | Mythbuntu ate my hamster!!!!!!!! |
| [11:18:06] | justinh: | Knoppmyth killed my dog!!!! |
| [11:18:16] | mzb: | linux ate my windows ... |
| [11:18:34] | mzb: | oh wait .. that was the preferred option ;) |
| [11:18:45] | Faithful: | mythdora Swallowed my wife whole and morphed into its present incarnation |
| [11:18:56] | mzb: | which is? |
| [11:19:15] | mzb: | a hot box that doesn't do it's job? |
| [11:19:21] | ** mzb hides ** | |
| [11:19:31] | justinh: | so apart from trying to make the channel degenerate into a distro war... |
| [11:19:36] | justinh: | what is it you wanted again? |
| [11:20:10] | sid3windr: | a new wife with remote control capability? |
| [11:20:11] | mzb: | a small, cold box instead of his wife? |
| [11:20:18] | mzb: | hehe |
| [11:20:19] | Faithful: | Just to hear what people had to say... someone might have said... "No way you gotta try..." |
| [11:20:30] | justinh: | opinions are worthless FWIW |
| [11:20:40] | justinh: | you need what SUITS YOU |
| [11:20:43] | mzb: | yep, try mythbuntu (never tried it myself) |
| [11:21:01] | justinh: | if you prefer debian-based, there's only one way to go :-) |
| [11:21:04] | mzb: | ^^ what justinh said ;) |
| [11:21:36] | justinh: | I have no affiliation – all the distros have their plus & minus points. But then I'm not really a big fan of computers |
| [11:21:37] | ** Faithful Thinks after everyone's prompting he might stick to Mythbuntu ** | |
| [11:22:14] | mzb: | just make sure your hardware can run a real distro/app ;) |
| [11:22:16] | justinh: | look – you said you prefer debian-based – and mythbuntu is the only debian-based mythtv distro |
| [11:22:40] | mzb: | if it does it's job you'll get used to using it ... and that will only mean you'll use it more |
| [11:23:00] | justinh: | if a distro does its job well enough it shouldn't even matter ;-) |
| [11:23:01] | mzb: | building a machine as if you were running windows on it just won't work |
| [11:23:03] | Faithful: | justinh, except for knoppmyth |
| [11:23:15] | justinh: | Faithful: knoppmyth is now LinHES |
| [11:23:20] | justinh: | which is now based on arch |
| [11:23:32] | Faithful: | Oh... well there you go... |
| [11:23:38] | sid3windr: | you can also run debian and install myth.. :p |
| [11:23:43] | ServerSage: | Why is it every time I look over at this channel it's a distro discussion? :P |
| [11:24:02] | justinh: | ServerSage: because some people seem to think it matters in the big scheme of things ;-) |
| [11:24:08] | justinh: | hint – IT DOESN'T |
| [11:24:34] | mzb: | ServerSage, because it's relevant to the OP's question and their experience |
| [11:24:39] | justinh: | at the end of the day you still can't avoid the fact you need a clue, and mythtv-setup can't be avoided |
| [11:24:45] | Faithful: | Would it be better to run a real-time kernel? |
| [11:24:47] | ServerSage: | When picking a distro I recommend one of two options. Either the pencil drop, or the dart board. |
| [11:25:30] | mzb: | start with what you're familiar with (or something close to it) .. and work from there |
| [11:25:38] | Faithful: | When choosing a turnkey... I don't care about the distro a bit. |
| [11:25:48] | justinh: | mmmm turkey |
| [11:25:59] | mzb: | mm BBQ |
| [11:26:26] | justinh: | ffs. I have to pull parts to build another dev machine out of thin air |
| [11:26:46] | Faithful: | my BBQ seriously caught on fire the other day when the 16yo was driving it. |
| [11:26:53] | justinh: | "Gary is in urgent need of an SD32 to enable him to complete the evaluation of a new I/O board". yeah? where the hell am I supposed to get an SD32 from at this notice?! |
| [11:27:28] | mzb: | Faithful, strangely enough I'm building a BBQ atm (to cook turkeys;) |
| [11:27:36] | mzb: | (computer controlled) |
| [11:27:45] | Faithful: | LinuxMCE ? |
| [11:27:57] | mzb: | no |
| [11:28:11] | Faithful: | Brighten the lights when you lift the lid... |
| [11:28:14] | mzb: | computer == router running openwrt |
| [11:28:30] | Faithful: | Oh a WRT54GL ? |
| [11:28:42] | mzb: | Netgear WGT634U |
| [11:28:51] | mzb: | 54GL too limiting |
| [11:29:12] | mzb: | (no usb, too slow, not enough flash or ram ... and more expensive;) |
| [11:29:31] | mzb: | interface == arduino (Sparkfun Free Day!) ... mounted INSIDE the router |
| [11:30:20] | mzb: | idea is (eventually) to have a popup on my (myth)TV saying "15mins until turkey ready" ... etc |
| [11:31:05] | mzb: | I'm making it out of a 44 gallon drum |
| [11:31:25] | mzb: | the grill plate is from a shopping trolley ;) |
| [11:32:01] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [11:32:24] | mzb: | I will have thermocouples monitoring temps (software almost complete) and servo(s) controlling the air-intake vents |
| [11:32:37] | mzb: | already have all the parts |
| [11:32:53] | mzb: | currently burning the drum clean |
| [11:33:15] | mzb: | put 3 barrow-loads of wood through it today |
| [11:33:30] | mzb: | need another 1 or 2 to burn the grill |
| [11:34:17] | mzb: | turns out that shopping trolleys aren't *just* nickel plated (or whatever) ... they also have a coat of clear lacquer (or something) |
| [11:34:57] | Faithful: | #1 hit on google.com.au ... not a good add... http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/hardware/?actio . . . model_id=222 |
| [11:35:04] | Faithful: | mzb |
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| [11:42:08] | ivor: | Faithful: no, no advantage of having a real time kernel for streaming and watching TV. |
| [11:42:49] | ivor: | there's so much syncing and buffering going on, and the speeds of data are so small its unnecessary, |
| [11:43:28] | Faithful: | when I put my sattv card in I cannot watch HDTV on my DVB-T card... it become jittery |
| [11:43:38] | justinh: | then you need MOARCPU |
| [11:43:47] | justinh: | and/or video drivers with at least Xv support |
| [11:44:07] | Faithful: | man I got nVidia |
| [11:44:21] | justinh: | oo nvidia! |
| [11:44:23] | ivor: | could be motherboard issues/bad drivers. |
| [11:44:33] | ivor: | irq flatulence |
| [11:44:38] | Faithful: | nVidia Mobo |
| [11:44:48] | justinh: | could also be the fact it's an fx5200 & he's using an athlon 800 :P |
| [11:44:58] | justinh: | iiiiiiiiiinput. neeeeeed iiiiiiiiinput |
| [11:45:12] | Faithful: | XP 2600+ |
| [11:45:24] | Faithful: | seriously fast CPU... |
| [11:45:26] | justinh: | yup. your CPU is way underpowered for h.264 HDTV |
| [11:45:37] | Faithful: | ???? |
| [11:45:44] | justinh: | that's what I said |
| [11:46:06] | Faithful: | getout man... I can just about watch HDTV on my Atom 270 |
| [11:46:17] | justinh: | yeah using hardware video acceleration |
| [11:46:20] | justinh: | NOT the CPU |
| [11:46:55] | Faithful: | and my nVidia GPU is not doing the crunch? |
| [11:46:57] | justinh: | so for the athlon piece of junk, you're looking at needing video hardware capable of VDPAU |
| [11:47:32] | justinh: | so 'nvidia' isn't enough by itself |
| [11:47:34] | Faithful: | I can change the box if needed... I have some Intel boxes lying around |
| [11:47:53] | justinh: | you need like >> 8200 |
| [11:48:25] | justinh: | intel won't help either, unless you're talking C2D running at 2.4Ghz |
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| [11:49:25] | Faithful: | Hmmm... So new video card... but they no AGP cards anymore... |
| [11:49:44] | Faithful: | HDTV is fine without the other card in. |
| [11:50:08] | justinh: | I have a terrible feeling we've all had this conversation with you before |
| [11:52:07] | Faithful: | My myth box has been out of commision for about a year and I had a few moments spare... |
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| [12:00:09] | justinh: | heh your HDTV is only mpeg2 anyway.. but even so your athlon is underpowered |
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| [12:11:29] | Faithful: | justinh, what happened to myth on an XBox??? |
| [12:14:36] | sid3windr: | the xbox still sucks? |
| [12:17:04] | justinh: | if your 2600+ can't play HDTV, I doubt a celery 733 can |
| [12:19:51] | justinh: | oh and mythfrontend on a box with 32MB usable ram.. ROTFLMFAO |
| [12:20:18] | justinh: | and xboxes are still fugly. and noisy |
| [12:26:31] | Faithful: | I still like my PYWII remote :-) |
| [12:26:51] | Faithful: | now what rox |
| [12:28:12] | justinh: | sigh. this is destroying my soul |
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| [13:40:34] | phek: | so i just copied my db from a computer that was the only one running mythtv to a server because i just installed mythtv on a second machine in my house (a ps3). |
| [13:41:23] | phek: | for some reason now though the new install on the ps3 machine doesn't see some of my videos and it doesn't seem to be running an update to find new ones when i go to video manager |
| [13:41:43] | phek: | anyone have any ideas why? |
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| [15:21:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | You installed MythTV on a PS3 ??? |
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| [15:21:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... or you're using the PS3 as a UPnP media player? |
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| [15:21:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | (woops, should have looked @ the time... that was 2–1/2 hours ago... hehehe) |
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| [15:55:20] | PeaceKeeper: | wagneerp: I am not sure if you remember me or not, but I tried downgrading HDHR to older firmware and still have the same issues. I think it is a HDHR hardware problem. Thank you for your help |
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| [16:01:34] | wagnerrp: | think hes stable by now? |
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| [16:02:23] | iamlindoro: | we'll find out I suppose |
| [16:02:37] | wagnerrp: | well he hasnt spammed #mythtv in a while |
| [16:02:50] | phek: | J-e-f-f-A, i installed mythtv on a ps3 |
| [16:03:04] | wagnerrp: | phek: whatever for? |
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| [16:04:11] | phek: | because there's no decent media servers out there that will transcode video and still allow you to have controls (like ff, rewind, pause) |
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| [16:04:48] | wagnerrp: | but the PS3 is a terrible platform for mythtv |
| [16:05:01] | phek: | yeah, i've noticed it's not that great |
| [16:05:16] | wagnerrp: | its rather underpowered, and lacking in memory |
| [16:05:29] | phek: | the memory seems to be the big thing |
| [16:06:00] | phek: | oddly enough though, video's seem to play ok straight through mplayer |
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| [16:06:58] | wagnerrp: | standard-def ones maybe |
| [16:07:14] | phek: | yeah, i'm gonna try a higher def one right now |
| [16:10:51] | phek: | hmm, audio seems to be off on 720p videos |
| [16:11:49] | phek: | oh well, guess i'll just install some emulators on here and say fuck watching any high def videos in the living room |
| [16:11:49] | wagnerrp: | there was some project to implement Xv and XvMC support through the SPEs, which may have made a PS3 a decent platform for mythtv |
| [16:11:53] | wagnerrp: | but i cant seem to find it |
| [16:12:02] | wagnerrp: | phek: watch the language around here |
| [16:12:20] | phek: | oh, ok |
| [16:12:33] | ivor: | phek: or you could use the PS3 as a upnp player. |
| [16:13:00] | phek: | ivor, that doesn't work well on any high def videos |
| [16:13:09] | ivor: | works fine for me. |
| [16:13:23] | wagnerrp: | works fine for me |
| [16:13:36] | phek: | well not with any of the linux media server apps |
| [16:14:01] | wagnerrp: | works fine for me through mythtv |
| [16:14:21] | ivor: | and that even rhymes. brilliant. |
| [16:14:47] | phek: | mythtv acting as the upnp server to your ps3? |
| [16:15:06] | wagnerrp: | has done so for several years |
| [16:15:18] | wagnerrp: | works fine for any content the ps3 supports directly |
| [16:15:27] | phek: | oh yeah |
| [16:15:42] | phek: | any content the ps3 supports directly is no problem with any media server |
| [16:15:55] | wagnerrp: | which is just about everything mythtv can record, besides framegrabbers |
| [16:16:10] | phek: | it's when you want to play some huge mkv file that you run into problems |
| [16:16:15] | wagnerrp: | as well as any dvd/bluray content you may rip to mythvideo |
| [16:16:43] | wagnerrp: | phek: shove it in an m2ts container and it should work |
| [16:16:57] | phek: | hmm, not familiar with m2ts |
| [16:17:00] | wagnerrp: | if not, its because you screwed up on the transcode and use some h264 format the ps3 didnt like |
| [16:21:08] | phek: | oh i see. comes around full circle. that was the first thing i tried but wasn't happy with the fact that it takes so long to trancode them. so then i went through trying to out 3 different upnp servers and setting up mythtv on my ps3 |
| [16:22:54] | wagnerrp: | basically, x264 supports a crapton of settings |
| [16:23:04] | wagnerrp: | and a good number of them make the ps3 unhappy |
| [16:23:46] | wagnerrp: | however there should be profiles available with most encoding tools that support playback on the ps3 |
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| [16:24:30] | wagnerrp: | basically, it means level 4.1, no fancy B-structures, and limited macroblock sizes |
| [16:26:59] | phek: | yeah, that's way over my head |
| [16:27:18] | wagnerrp: | what did you use to encode to mkv? |
| [16:27:50] | phek: | mencoder |
| [16:27:51] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Sigh, love the amateur cable operators out there "correcting" me |
| [16:28:28] | iamlindoro: | everyone becomes a headend engineer when these threads pop up (and that's speaking as possibly the only one to respond to the thread who actually was one) :) |
| [16:28:43] | iamlindoro: | "Actually, it would be an ATSC modulator..." |
| [16:28:45] | tank-man: | phek, try looking up mkv2vob for your ps3 |
| [16:28:46] | iamlindoro: | Umm, no. It wouldn't. |
| [16:28:51] | wagnerrp: | phek: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125453 |
| [16:28:52] | tank-man: | iv heard of it but never used it |
| [16:29:34] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: you used to be a headend engineer? |
| [16:29:46] | iamlindoro: | Yes. |
| [16:30:16] | wagnerrp: | im disappointed no one has yet responded to my mail, with the single word 'pass' |
| [16:30:31] | arriflex: | Arri goes to wiki headend engineer |
| [16:30:31] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: well, if your response had gone through 30 seconds earlier, I wouldn't have replied to the email at all. |
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| [16:30:48] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Heh |
| [16:31:04] | devinheitmueller: | I've certainly got better things to do than be repetitive. :-p |
| [16:31:44] | phek: | wagnerrp and tank-man cool i'll check those out |
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| [16:31:59] | phek: | right now i think 8:30am is a good time to get to bed... |
| [16:32:54] | arriflex: | Aaaah |
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| [16:37:01] | ** wagnerrp thinks Ron Perlman needs more work as a video game voice actor ** | |
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| [16:38:39] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I love this one: "ATSC OTA signals are mostly at a bitrate of 19Mb/s". Apparently he has never noticed that the typical ATSC stream is nowhere near 19Mbps. |
| [16:39:01] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [16:39:05] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: War. War never changes. |
| [16:39:06] | iamlindoro: | I give up on this thread |
| [16:39:22] | Lt_Dan: | wagnerrp: FO3 intro and finale videos FTW |
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| [16:40:00] | ** devinheitmueller admits that he only played Wasteland, Fallout and Fallout 2, but none of the newer games.... ** | |
| [16:40:14] | wagnerrp: | i thought the signal itself was at full bitrate, even if the data contained therein wasnt anywhere near that |
| [16:40:34] | wagnerrp: | anyway, Lt_Dan, seems hes picked up as the narrator for FO: New Vegas as well |
| [16:40:35] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Yes, the signal is synchronous at 19Mbps, padded with null pid packets. |
| [16:40:52] | Lt_Dan: | cool! |
| [16:41:08] | wagnerrp: | he just has such a great voice |
| [16:41:09] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: but the null pid packets obviously have no impact on the quality of the stream. |
| [16:41:46] | iamlindoro: | I did love Fallout 3, I am looking forward to New Vegas |
| [16:42:03] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I'm not going to step into that thread – there are too many people who think they are experts. |
| [16:42:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, probably not what whoever you were quoting was thinking |
| [16:42:31] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: (and despite acknowledging that I'm not an expert, I probably have considerably more knowledge of the situation than all of them combined). |
| [16:42:38] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I am stepping out of it now-- I should know better than to try to bring accuracy to these kinds of threads |
| [16:42:42] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I don't doubt it |
| [16:42:55] | Lt_Dan: | i hope new vegas is delayed for awhile.... i'll be multitasking Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age for awhile..... |
| [16:43:09] | wagnerrp: | well writing a good portion of the drivers certainly puts you heads above the general masses |
| [16:43:20] | Lt_Dan: | and i'll just have to get new vegas on release date ;) |
| [16:43:22] | wagnerrp: | Lt_Dan: in the fall |
| [16:43:32] | wagnerrp: | so youve got some time |
| [16:43:33] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: well, if I had not written the drivers, then I definitely would not know anywhere near what I know now. |
| [16:44:16] | wagnerrp: | im still wondering how he would manage to get an OSD working |
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| [16:45:42] | wagnerrp: | last time i tried, i couldn't even manage encoding a decent quality DVD in real time |
| [16:46:13] | wagnerrp: | admittedly that was on an old 1.8 P4 |
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| [16:49:46] | PeaceKeeper: | Anyone suggest the HVR-2250? |
| [16:50:07] | PeaceKeeper: | I need to replace my HDHR but I would also like an internal solution |
| [16:50:33] | devinheitmueller: | PeaceKeeper: the 2250 is a good card, but bear in mind there is no analog support currently. |
| [16:50:46] | wagnerrp: | for a HDHR replacement, it should work fine |
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| [16:51:16] | PeaceKeeper: | no analog? sorry what does that mean? like an pvr-150? |
| [16:51:28] | wagnerrp: | the 2250 is a dual-hybrid tuner |
| [16:51:36] | wagnerrp: | with the analog portions using mpeg encoders like the 150 |
| [16:51:46] | PeaceKeeper: | I just need OTA HD in the US. |
| [16:51:51] | devinheitmueller: | The 2250 currently only supports ATSC and ClearQAM under Linux. The analog inputs (tuner/svideo/composite) and MPEG encoder are not currently supported. |
| [16:52:35] | PeaceKeeper: | Ahh, I dont need the tuner side (unless I am doing analog). |
| [16:52:46] | wagnerrp: | you need the tuner side to do digital |
| [16:53:06] | wagnerrp: | there is no digital capture ability |
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| [16:53:19] | PeaceKeeper: | Wow, time for me to read and learn. |
| [16:53:32] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [16:53:55] | wagnerrp: | you plug the cable into the card, make sure the proper drivers are installed, and use it as a dual tuner just as you had with the HDHR |
| [16:54:12] | wagnerrp: | were saying the card ALSO has NTSC support with mpeg encoders |
| [16:54:19] | wagnerrp: | which you cannot use with linux |
| [16:54:24] | PeaceKeeper: | ahh ok |
| [16:54:28] | PeaceKeeper: | that is much clearer |
| [16:54:54] | wagnerrp: | it has two hybrid tuners, each tuner can be used for either analog or digial |
| [16:55:15] | PeaceKeeper: | I dont need that since it is just a HDHR replacement / equivalent. |
| [16:55:20] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [16:55:35] | PeaceKeeper: | great. thank you! |
| [16:55:59] | PeaceKeeper: | Now to see what the support is like on FC12, or maybe another distro |
| [16:57:00] | wagnerrp: | that got merged into the linuxtv repositories back in september, has it yet made it into the kernel? |
| [16:58:05] | devinheitmueller: | I would have to check, but I'm pretty sure it went into 2.6.31. |
| [16:58:18] | ** devinheitmueller double checks ** | |
| [16:59:19] | PeaceKeeper: | I found a blog (by the dev?) but i dont see it yet. |
| [16:59:28] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it's in 2.6.31. |
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| [16:59:37] | devinheitmueller: | PeaceKeeper: http://kernellabs.com/blog |
| [16:59:50] | sid3windr: | the dev..in :D |
| [16:59:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, because im seeing a lot of bugfixes for it in the 2.6.32 changelog |
| [17:00:16] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: Well, the 2250 was Steven's baby (although Michael did work on the tda18271 and I did work on the s5h1411) |
| [17:00:38] | wagnerrp: | that card uses the same tuner as the 1250? |
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| [17:01:06] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [17:01:12] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Yeah, they both use the 18271, but the 1250 uses the s5h1409 demod instead of the s5h1411. |
| [17:01:27] | wagnerrp: | oh, demod |
| [17:01:32] | devinheitmueller: | (and they are obviously completely different bridges) |
| [17:01:53] | wagnerrp: | recognized the s5h14xx as something i had to compile when building my kernel |
| [17:02:12] | devinheitmueller: | yeah. The chips are *similar* but there are considerable differences in the register map. |
| [17:02:21] | devinheitmueller: | (something I found out the hard way). Hence they are two different drivers. |
| [17:03:08] | PeaceKeeper: | So if I user kernel 2.6.31 + do I need firmware files? |
| [17:03:36] | ** PeaceKeeper trying to understand what he is reading on kernellabs.com :p ** | |
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| [17:04:10] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, there is firmware required. |
| [17:04:19] | devinheitmueller: | (which is available online) |
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| [17:04:51] | ** wagnerrp loves his 1250.... no firmware ** | |
| [17:05:17] | PeaceKeeper: | yea I wish I could find a dual tuner card with no firmware |
| [17:05:31] | PeaceKeeper: | the quest continues :) |
| [17:06:51] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be in a very small pocket of no precipitation |
| [17:07:01] | wagnerrp: | probably means i should go outside and see whats wrong with my car |
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| [17:09:02] | PeaceKeeper: | Thank you all for your help. |
| [17:11:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: No kidding... I just browsed that thread... lots of wrong info there... I'm not gonna touch it either... |
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| [17:15:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I'v got a 1250 too, but am not currently using it. ;-) |
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| [17:30:05] | dherde: | Hi.. I reinstalled Mythbuntu last night and am having two problems. Hopefully someone can help. First, I am working on a zotac ion-itx-c and have a monitor hooked up to the vga port and a projector hooked up to the hdmi port. The nvidia drivers are 185 (or 190, it doesn't appear to make a difference) and setup as seperate screens with xinerama turned on. Both work ok. When mythfrontend starts up, ti starts on the monitor. and I can't get it to start o |
| [17:30:33] | dherde: | Does anyone know how to change the display mythtv starts up on? |
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| [17:33:03] | fleers: | you might need to change X so that the projector is your primary display – the :0 display … nothing in the nvidia-settings utility along those lines? |
| [17:33:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | dherde: if you intend to keep it always connected that way, just setup the offsets for MythTV in the setup. |
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| [17:35:01] | dherde: | When I was working with 195 drivers, nvidia settings allowed me to select the primary screen, but not in 185. So in xorg.conf, what should I search for? (I am not at home now..) |
| [17:35:52] | sphery: | dherde: either what fleers said, or use DISPLAY=:0.1 (or whatever) or use the MythTV GUI Offsets to set the Y offset to the primary screen's width |
| [17:36:02] | sphery: | different solutions required for different setups |
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| [17:37:09] | sphery: | no idea on the drivers stuff, but for xorg.conf, it's basically whichever one you put first becomes the primary |
| [17:37:36] | sphery: | in the Screen line, IIRC |
| [17:38:33] | dherde: | Please remember that I am not in front of the machine.. There are two sections, I believe, in the xorg.conf, display and device??. Do I need to transpose both of the sections? |
| [17:38:45] | AndyCap: | doesn't mythtv have a xinerama screen setting anymore? |
| [17:40:34] | sphery: | AndyCap: it's only used to tell myth which screens resolution/aspect to use for calculations (doesn't actually change where things appear) |
| [17:40:52] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: your 1250 has firmware. It's just bundled with the distro so you never noticed. |
| [17:41:24] | dherde: | I would actually like the projector to be the secondary screen so I can work on the primary screen while the kids are watching a movie. So in this case, I need to offset the screen in the TVPlayback section of Myth? |
| [17:41:27] | AndyCap: | ok. I can't remember what I was using it for anymore, possibly when I had a laptop and a dockingstation, but iirc it wokred fine |
| [17:41:45] | devinheitmueller: | heh, when we bust our ass negotiating with the chipset vendor to get redsitribution rights, and then do the work bundle it with the distros by default, people never even notice that it's there. :-) |
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| [17:41:54] | AndyCap: | so when I set it to screen 1 I got the display on :0.1 and 0 was :0.0 |
| [17:42:03] | AndyCap: | or maybe I'm getting senile. |
| [17:42:58] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: You may have to take the tacit assumption that it doesn't have one as a great success :) |
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| [17:43:20] | devinheitmueller: | indeed. |
| [17:45:08] | sphery: | dherde: appearance section, or use one of the other approaches mentioned |
| [17:45:49] | sphery: | and you may not get a choice as to which one you use--not all will work for everyone on every system config |
| [17:46:29] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i guess im mistaken... i had red somewhere that there was none, but i guess they really meant no external one was needed |
| [17:46:59] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, people sometimes confuse "the need for firmware" with "the need to go to some random site to get a Windows driver and manually extract the firmware". |
| [17:49:06] | wagnerrp: | well theres no file that has to be loaded... i guess that means its compiled into the module source itself? |
| [17:49:26] | devinheitmueller: | No, the file does get loaded. The driver just doesn't print anything to dmesg unless the file isn't present. |
| [17:49:44] | wagnerrp: | im not seeing anything in the usual places |
| [17:50:17] | devinheitmueller: | You should have the following in your /lib/firmware directory: v4l-cx23885-enc.fw, v4l-cx23885-avcore-01.fw |
| [17:50:46] | wagnerrp: | nope, only stuff i have in there is for my 150s |
| [17:51:00] | devinheitmueller: | They actually came from here, but later got bundled by the distros: http://www.steventoth.net/linux/hvr1200/ |
| [17:55:30] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /023591.html |
| [17:56:44] | devinheitmueller: | Oh thats right, I still haven't gotten the analog core working. You're right – you don't need the firmware as long as you're only using the digital side of the board. |
| [17:57:12] | devinheitmueller: | There's been a good bit of work in that area going on, but nothing that has gone upstream yet. |
| [17:57:57] | devinheitmueller: | The 1250 is a bit more annoying than the 1800 because it doesn't have an MPEG encoder. Hence we had to get the raw video and ALSA audio support added to the driver. |
| [18:00:23] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [18:01:30] | dherde: | Thanks much.. Question 2- (I'll push my luck..) When I enable playback as vdpau -( anything) with what advanced 2x or temporal, then go back and try to watch tv, the screen will 1- be black and show the channel number as expeted while it fires up the capture stream, then just go black and lock up the TV application (.real??). I have to restart or kill the frontend. When running from the command line, I see errors indication that the video object cannot |
| [18:02:20] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out why my database wont update automatically |
| [18:02:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: your keybinding stuff is really brutal to have to type out manually |
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| [18:27:17] | iamlindoro: | You know, I quit the user list |
| [18:27:32] | iamlindoro: | What a bunch of tiresome pedantic babies |
| [18:29:57] | iamlindoro: | There, unsubscribed |
| [18:30:00] | iamlindoro: | yay |
| [18:30:06] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [18:31:17] | jams: | it's always interesting watch people progress through the stages of "i signed up for users list", "help", "user list has alot of noise on it", "whats wrong with these people", "unsubscribe" |
| [18:31:28] | iamlindoro: | For as long as I can remember it has caused me nothing but grief |
| [18:32:13] | iamlindoro: | though I must say I never needed the list's help... I signed up *to* help-- but you can only try to force-feed people the right answers for so long |
| [18:32:39] | wagnerrp: | i think i may have asked two questions on it |
| [18:32:54] | iamlindoro: | like sexy with a sandpaper woman, that list |
| [18:32:59] | iamlindoro: | er s/sexy/sex/ |
| [18:33:04] | jams: | I asked one question when I first signed up..people debated my usage of the word judder |
| [18:33:13] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking 'sexy time' myself |
| [18:33:43] | iamlindoro: | great success |
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| [18:37:31] | XLV: | iamlindoro, if you can last more than one day ( unsubscribed from it ), you are in good shape |
| [18:38:11] | iamlindoro: | Considering there has never been any sort of payoff for the years I was subscribed, I don't expect I'll miss it one bit |
| [18:38:48] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I only subscribed after taking a look at the archive and thinking "oh my god, it's like the blind leading the blind!" |
| [18:39:01] | ** devinheitmueller intends no offense to actual blind people. ** | |
| [18:39:04] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:39:21] | iamlindoro: | The biggest problem is that so many of them don't *want* the right answer |
| [18:39:33] | iamlindoro: | they want the answer they have concluded on/the convenient answer/someone to agree with them |
| [18:39:52] | wagnerrp: | 'no... you shouldnt run computer hardware fanless'... waaaaaa |
| [18:39:53] | iamlindoro: | s/ on// |
| [18:39:54] | devinheitmueller: | Well, I think it's not so much that as that they have been subscribed to the list long enough that they want to be "armchair experts" |
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| [18:40:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: typing it out to try to figure out your DB update failure? |
| [18:41:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: where's the failure occurring (what schema ver)? |
| [18:41:16] | devinheitmueller: | You know, for all this crap about fan versus fanless, I would like to point out that I'm sitting about 24 inches from a two year old Dell desktop, and I cannot even tell if it's powered on it's so quiet. |
| [18:41:39] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: +1 |
| [18:41:49] | sphery: | if you can hear your fans, you've got cheap fans |
| [18:41:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1787255 |
| [18:42:41] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: even that is going to far. This is the cheapest Dell they sold at the time. If you can hear the fans, then either your fans are broken or your ACPI is screwed up and running them at 120%. |
| [18:42:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's not even getting a DB Schema version back... "New database detected. Skipping backup." |
| [18:43:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: except it is, just above that it reported 1252 |
| [18:43:18] | ** sphery wonders if someone did a "DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'DBSchemaVer';" ** | |
| [18:43:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: 2 different code paths |
| [18:43:54] | wagnerrp: | right, but why is one picking it up, and the other not |
| [18:45:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: because you have 1 or fewer tables in the DB |
| [18:45:25] | sphery: | (i.e. just schemalock) |
| [18:45:29] | sphery: | or your DB connection is broken |
| [18:45:57] | sphery: | definitely some DB driver issues |
| [18:46:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you do get a list of tables if you manually execute: SHOW FULL TABLES |
| [18:46:36] | sphery: | right? |
| [18:46:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 107 rows |
| [18:46:59] | wagnerrp: | everything in mythtv works just fine (as far as i can tell) |
| [18:47:10] | wagnerrp: | its only the update code (dbcheck.cpp) that gives me problems |
| [18:47:43] | sphery: | DBUtil::IsNewDatabase() is seeing 0 or 1 table, it calls DBUtil::GetTables() to get the list, which calls SHOW FULL TABLES |
| [18:47:54] | wagnerrp: | so ive had to manually walk forward the last half dozen schema updates |
| [18:48:11] | sphery: | what mysql version? |
| [18:48:13] | wagnerrp: | i do that, set the proper DBSchemaVer setting, and the backend starts up and runs just fine |
| [18:48:45] | sphery: | as far as the key binding updates go, though, you can completely skip them--they're unimportant |
| [18:48:57] | wagnerrp: | 5.1.23 |
| [18:49:10] | sphery: | just use mythcontrols to set them like you want (either have Left/Right in SEEKREW/SEEKFFWD or don't) |
| [18:49:29] | sphery: | and don't put them in RWNDSTICKY/FFWDSTICKY |
| [18:49:55] | wagnerrp: | the _only_ thing i can think of is that this is due to running a FBSD 7.0 jail under a 8.0 kernel |
| [18:50:24] | sphery: | well, it's not just the db backup code that's failing to find schema version |
| [18:50:45] | sphery: | the actual upgrade code doesn't either--thus "Inserting MythTV initial database information." |
| [18:50:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: because its trying to insert a table that already exists |
| [18:51:03] | wagnerrp: | so it fails |
| [18:51:15] | sphery: | actually, that's using DBUtil::IsNewDatabase(), also |
| [18:51:32] | sphery: | just saying both parts agreed that the db was empty |
| [18:51:45] | sphery: | but that's because they're both using DBUtil::IsNewDatabase() |
| [18:53:08] | sphery: | new theory: improper SQL permissions |
| [18:54:26] | wagnerrp: | just a blanket 'grant all' for that host |
| [18:54:44] | wagnerrp: | im using the same username/password on the same host to manually walk it forward |
| [18:55:57] | sphery: | yeah, that didn't pan out |
| [18:56:07] | sphery: | "If you have no privileges for a base table or view, it does not show up in the output from SHOW TABLES or mysqlshow db_name. " |
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| [18:56:36] | sphery: | the only other reason they wouldn't show is if they were temp tables (but then they wouldn't have shown from your other connection when you ran the test) |
| [18:57:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what Qt version? |
| [18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of that changed is i upgraded from freebsd 7.2 to 8.0, while the jail (security sandbox) holding the sql server was compiled under 7.0 |
| [18:58:31] | wagnerrp: | there _should_ be binary compatibility, but i may have found some weird quirk |
| [18:58:49] | wagnerrp: | 4.5.2 |
| [18:59:16] | wagnerrp: | but i cant imagine how such an issue like that would only show up in this one case |
| [18:59:36] | wagnerrp: | can a SBE initiate a datebase update? |
| [19:00:13] | sphery: | the Qt MySQL drivers are a mess since they're switching to all prepared queries and the prepared query code is not as well tested--I figured they might have broken it for "special" queries (like SHOW TABLES) in 4.6.x, but guess not |
| [19:00:34] | sphery: | any mythbackend (that's actually mythbackend) should be able to do it |
| [19:00:51] | sphery: | (i.e. not a --generate-preview or --printsched or whatever) |
| [19:00:59] | sphery: | but it would tell you if you're not allowed |
| [19:01:01] | wagnerrp: | so 1254 is a no-op if youve already performed the update |
| [19:01:11] | wagnerrp: | ill drop back to 1253 and see how my gentoo backend handles it |
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| [19:01:40] | sphery: | it's working fine for me, but I've only run it on my mbe |
| [19:02:09] | wagnerrp: | SBE did the same thing |
| [19:02:15] | wagnerrp: | so its a fault with the server, not with mythtv |
| [19:03:13] | sphery: | I may put a "sanity" check in IsNewDatabase() such that if we get a valid value for DBSchemaVer we exit with an error if IsNewDatabase() would otherwise return true (as that's an impossible case--which you're seeing :) |
| [19:03:49] | sphery: | Only way it could happen with a really new DB is if someone did a -O DBSchemaVer=1254 , which is not supported |
| [19:04:06] | sphery: | (maybe I should code to prevent that, too :) |
| [19:04:14] | ** sphery deletes his db ** | |
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| [19:06:49] | wagnerrp: | well ill rebuild the database jail, and see if that fixes things |
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| [19:23:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: can you do a: CHECK TABLES <tablename>; on your tables? |
| [19:23:42] | wagnerrp: | any table in particular? |
| [19:23:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Are you using InnoDB? |
| [19:24:08] | sphery: | from what I've read, if any of them is bad, it could cause this failure |
| [19:24:13] | wagnerrp: | no idea, im using default |
| [19:24:54] | sphery: | http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=37527 |
| [19:25:04] | sphery: | 5.1.31 got the fix |
| [19:25:27] | sphery: | true default would be MyISAM, but distro-specified defaults may be different |
| [19:25:30] | j-rod: | ffs. who maintains the ubuntu lirc packages? |
| [19:26:05] | j-rod: | and can I ask them to add some big huge letters that better explain when to and when NOT to use separate REMOTE and TRANSMITTER options in hardware.conf? |
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| [19:26:34] | j-rod: | 3/4 of all questions about lirc on both mythtv-users and the lirc list are ubuntu users Doing It Wrong(tm) |
| [19:29:14] | ** awalls wonders who has trademarked Doing It Wrong – LOL cats? ** | |
| [19:29:29] | mag0o: | Bill Gates |
| [19:29:37] | awalls: | lol! |
| [19:29:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also, seems if you don't have a valid tmpdir, you'll have failures: show variables like 'tmpdir%'; |
| [19:30:57] | wagnerrp: | all tables show up 'OK' |
| [19:31:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and I think the TMPDIR variable in the client environment can have an effect (which could explain why it could happen only for the connection through MythTV) |
| [19:31:18] | wagnerrp: | tmpdir exists, and is writable by all |
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| [19:32:23] | sphery: | the same one mysql is using? show variables like 'tmpdir%'; |
| [19:32:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:32:51] | wagnerrp: | seems im using MyISAM |
| [19:33:33] | wagnerrp: | on most |
| [19:33:40] | wagnerrp: | the mythweather stuff seems to be using innodb |
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| [19:34:44] | sphery: | yeah, it always does |
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| [19:37:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what happens if you apply: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-sa . . . tabase.patch |
| [19:37:12] | sphery: | it's just ignoring the problem... |
| [19:37:17] | sphery: | but the problem should be fixed |
| [19:37:52] | sphery: | (not by the patch, but whatever problem still needs to be fixed is what I'm trying to say) |
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| [19:42:05] | wagnerrp: | assuming it relinked properly, doesnt seem to have |
| [19:43:43] | sphery: | you mean changing MySQL didn't work? |
| [19:43:48] | sphery: | or the patch didn't do anything useful? |
| [19:44:08] | wagnerrp: | the patch didnt do anything useful, |
| [19:44:28] | wagnerrp: | or at least didnt appear to, assuming make relinked things properly for the update library |
| [19:44:34] | wagnerrp: | (i didnt 'clean' first) |
| [19:45:42] | sphery: | shouldn't need a clean |
| [19:45:47] | sphery: | same log output? |
| [19:45:53] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [19:46:16] | sphery: | heh, backwards logic |
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| [19:47:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: reload and try the new oen |
| [19:48:06] | sphery: | please :) |
| [19:49:27] | wagnerrp: | wait |
| [19:49:41] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [19:49:59] | wagnerrp: | was going to say you had (not)dbSchemaVer |
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| [19:51:18] | sphery: | yeah, was trying to be fast and confused myself :) |
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| [19:54:26] | sphery: | must be Friday... I just made another stupid programming mistake (forgot a return that was meant to prevent allowing DBSchemaVer override) |
| [19:56:04] | wagnerrp: | the 'SHOW FULL TABLES' call does not end with a semicolon |
| [19:56:07] | wagnerrp: | is that a problem? |
| [19:57:09] | sphery: | not in QSqlQuery |
| [19:57:36] | wagnerrp: | ok, just wondering since some calls have one, some dont |
| [19:57:48] | sphery: | feel free to stick one in and see if it fixes it |
| [19:57:53] | sphery: | if so, that's a better fix |
| [19:59:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro will love #8029 |
| [20:00:13] | wagnerrp: | heh... i didnt even read the filename |
| [20:00:21] | wagnerrp: | i just saw 'tmdb.pl' and figured it would get closed |
| [20:00:33] | sphery: | is tmdb.pl dead? if so, we should svn rm it |
| [20:01:06] | sphery: | especially since (in theory) we can just make MythWeb work with tmdb.py like we did with tmdb.pl when MythWeb used imdb.pl |
| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | its still there, but i dont think it works with trunk and the new grabber format |
| [20:01:16] | sphery: | then it should die |
| [20:01:43] | sphery: | so, with the updated patch, does it work (or at least give a different error)? |
| [20:02:24] | wagnerrp: | with and without that semicolon, same error |
| [20:02:36] | sphery: | and with http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-sa . . . tabase.patch |
| [20:02:49] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [20:02:55] | sphery: | same error with that? |
| [20:02:58] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: sphery: tmdb.pl uses an less efficient TMDB API format, does not support TMDB#s and language codes. This is what tmdb.py was created to do. |
| [20:03:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hold on, didnt apply it properly |
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| [20:04:11] | sphery: | I was going to say, that would be 100% proof that the connection in use is unable to see the DB |
| [20:04:36] | sphery: | (it is likely a different connection from the one used to get the schema ver initiall for the log message) |
| [20:05:20] | sphery: | you'd likely have to revert changes to that file, then apply the new patch |
| [20:05:29] | sphery: | (but I'm guessing you figured that out...) |
| [20:05:44] | wagnerrp: | well i was just typing it in manually |
| [20:05:47] | sphery: | it does change the parens on the conditional |
| [20:05:49] | wagnerrp: | which is why i applied it wrong |
| [20:05:50] | wagnerrp: | working now |
| [20:05:52] | sphery: | ah, yeah, would be hard to see those |
| [20:05:56] | sphery: | and the upgrade succeeds? |
| [20:06:14] | sphery: | I still really want to know how GetTables() is failing |
| [20:06:26] | sphery: | as you'll never get an auto-backup if it fails |
| [20:06:41] | wagnerrp: | upgrade fails, since i already have the patch for 1254 |
| [20:06:54] | wagnerrp: | seems it just checks for some settings variable, rather than whether that field exists |
| [20:08:16] | sphery: | VERBOSE (VB_IMPORTANT, "Sneaky schema change detected"); |
| [20:13:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any word on a freeze? |
| [20:13:30] | skd5aner: | I saw that in the comment, how dare it be sneaky |
| [20:13:34] | skd5aner: | commit |
| [20:14:02] | sphery: | messing with the schema is always sneaky |
| [20:14:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I haven't heard anything |
| [20:14:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It's only 30 degrees here in New England – already frozen... ;-) |
| [20:14:16] | sphery: | but these changes are fixes, so I'm covered :) |
| [20:14:27] | skd5aner: | most of the mid-west and east cost are already froze |
| [20:14:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I don't even think it's decided whether to do the ffmpeg sync |
| [20:14:45] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: quicker to the draw |
| [20:14:56] | sphery: | it's a brisk 72F here |
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| [20:15:11] | skd5aner: | where is here? |
| [20:15:21] | sphery: | Florida |
| [20:15:25] | skd5aner: | I'll be there tomorrow |
| [20:15:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: did you dget hit with that 'freak' snow sqal down there? |
| [20:15:28] | sphery: | You're Atlanta? |
| [20:15:33] | sphery: | 39F in Atlanta |
| [20:15:50] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: I heard there were snow flakes at about 4:30am here |
| [20:15:54] | skd5aner: | me? no, NC |
| [20:16:07] | sphery: | (but not enough to count as snow--nor even as a flurry) |
| [20:16:19] | sphery: | ah, NC probably colder... |
| [20:16:29] | ** skd5aner looks out his window, and it's freezing rain, and the snow left from last Friday is still on the ground :/ ** | |
| [20:16:42] | sphery: | but not much, it seems |
| [20:16:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I was in Houston in December for their "Winter Storm 2009" – a dusting of snow. Scared the *bleep* out of most of the Texas natives... |
| [20:16:58] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:17:05] | sphery: | I will admit it was cold |
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| [20:17:14] | sphery: | I attribute it to the rise in piracy in recent years |
| [20:17:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: I'll be in JAX, Daytona, and a few other areas tomorrow and Sunday |
| [20:17:37] | skd5aner: | really wish I could make it all the way down to Miami – huge colts fan |
| [20:17:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: cool... I'm about an hour South of Daytona |
| [20:17:54] | sphery: | heh, Miami isn't Florida |
| [20:18:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A is about 23 hours north of Jacksonville... ;-) ** | |
| [20:18:21] | sphery: | For anyone wondering about piracy/global temps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti . . . obal_warming |
| [20:18:23] | skd5aner: | well, the "final" destination is Titusville – which is pretty much exactly an hour south – so want me to know on your door? |
| [20:18:48] | sphery: | yeah, that's 30min from my doorstep |
| [20:18:48] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: Boston area? |
| [20:18:58] | skd5aner: | I'm coming down for the launch this weekend |
| [20:19:05] | sphery: | nice... which launch? |
| [20:19:08] | sphery: | I didn't realize we had one |
| [20:19:12] | skd5aner: | STS-130 (shuttle) |
| [20:19:17] | skd5aner: | Sunday, 4:39 |
| [20:19:19] | sphery: | I highly recommend Jetty Park for viewing |
| [20:19:21] | skd5aner: | AM |
| [20:19:24] | sphery: | better than Titusville |
| [20:19:35] | skd5aner: | Jetty Park... hmm, ok – I'll check it out – thx for the tip |
| [20:19:55] | skd5aner: | I came down for STS-129 in Nov, watched from the NASA causeway |
| [20:20:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: yep. ;-) |
| [20:20:01] | skd5aner: | was cool, you could see the pad |
| [20:20:07] | sphery: | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_ . . . 920&z=14 |
| [20:20:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ok, then ill probably have the UPNP stuff and a couple other fixes to backport |
| [20:20:21] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: my boss is in Boston, work with a ton of folks up there |
| [20:21:26] | sphery: | yeah, NASA Causeway isn't too bad |
| [20:21:31] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks – I'll check it out! We'll be down the day before, so we'll do a bit of scouting and see how jetty park looks |
| [20:21:54] | sphery: | actually for the shuttle, it may be better |
| [20:22:40] | skd5aner: | well – do me a favor and keep the weather nice and clear for me |
| [20:22:44] | j-rod: | its actually relative warm in boston today |
| [20:23:25] | ** j-rod was outside in shorts and a t-shirt not that long ago ** | |
| [20:23:50] | j-rod: | its a toasty 32 here in wesfid |
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| [20:25:23] | mag0o: | we close up shop down here in the south at 32 ;) |
| [20:26:04] | j-rod: | I know, I lived in Memphis for a while. Light dusting and the whole city lost its mind, everything shut down. |
| [20:26:40] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, looks like NASA causeway is closest... I think the brush has grown up enough that it's hard to see it on the ground, anymore, though. http://www.launchphotography.com/Shuttle_Launch_Viewing.html |
| [20:26:43] | j-rod: | Boston gets six inches overnight, and everyone just goes about their business as usual |
| [20:27:03] | j-rod: | I don't think my son has had a single snow day this winter |
| [20:27:07] | mag0o: | heh |
| [20:27:27] | mag0o: | we got to leave work early and the kids got the day off because it *might* snow |
| [20:27:46] | sphery: | skd5aner: anyway, here's the launch location , and you can scroll around to see Jetty Park and the NASA Causeway |
| [20:27:50] | sphery: | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Launch+Complex+ . . . &iwloc=A |
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| [20:48:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I can't decide whether to add the code for the impossible-situation sanity check or not |
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| [20:57:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: any chance you could apply http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-de . . . Tables.patch and re-run an upgrade ? |
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| [20:59:26] | skd5aner: | sphery: I've been to that launchphotography site before – good info |
| [21:00:00] | sphery: | yeah, seems pretty nice |
| [21:00:16] | skd5aner: | mag0o: yea – it's amazing to me, I grew up in the midwest, and snow was no big deal – down here in the south, if it's in the forecast, they'll shut down everything 2 days in advance |
| [21:00:26] | sphery: | I think your approach is right, though--check out the sites beforehand to see which you like best |
| [21:00:35] | RickA[Knight]: | Hello all – I'm looking at turning an old computer I have into a PVR with mythTV using Knoppmyth (linHES). I'm trying to make sure I buy the right hardward... is there anyone who can help me out a bit? Also, I have very limited knowledge of Linux – only used a couple of times. |
| [21:00:48] | sphery: | the difference in distance is small, but the vegetation, etc, can have a huge impact on viewability (before it gets in the air :) |
| [21:02:19] | skd5aner: | Here's a little jingle to describe how people in the south act when it snows... to the tune of "Pants on the Ground": |
| [21:02:54] | jokajak: | :-/ |
| [21:03:04] | skd5aner: | Snow on the ground, snow on the ground, actin' like a fool when there's snow on the ground! |
| [21:03:17] | skd5aner: | Can't go to work, can't go to school, actin' like a fool when there's snow on the ground |
| [21:03:26] | RickA[Knight]: | more like "drivin like a fool when there's snow on the ground" |
| [21:03:27] | skd5aner: | Buy all the milk, buy all the bread, what's in your head wh...en there's snow on the ground |
| [21:03:52] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:04:22] | skd5aner: | RickA: what kind of help do you need? |
| [21:04:27] | sphery: | That pretty much describes me--I've cancelled a lot of rental cars on work trips because of snow on the ground |
| [21:04:54] | RickA[Knight]: | I'm tryint to make sure I buy a compatible tuner card, hard drive – and maybe video card for a combined front end/back end system. |
| [21:05:07] | skd5aner: | what country do you live in? |
| [21:05:12] | RickA[Knight]: | USA |
| [21:05:13] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: we'll need to know where you're at in the world (what TV standard) and where you're getting your TV from (cable with tuner, cable with STB, satellite, ...) |
| [21:05:17] | skd5aner: | that'll help drive the requirements for the card |
| [21:05:33] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: and just how old is "old computer" |
| [21:05:33] | RickA[Knight]: | 92344 is my zip (for silicon dust channel lookup) |
| [21:05:34] | skd5aner: | you have cable? OTA? Satellite? etc |
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| [21:05:37] | RickA[Knight]: | charter cable |
| [21:05:52] | RickA[Knight]: | It's not too old. It's an AMD 64 3000+ if I remember correctly |
| [21:05:58] | sphery: | Myth is a luxury DVR designed to be like TiVo on steroids... So you need some good infrastructure |
| [21:05:59] | skd5aner: | you'll probably be able to get *some* channels via QAM |
| [21:06:08] | RickA[Knight]: | I built it for my grandmother, when she got a new one she gave it back to me |
| [21:06:18] | skd5aner: | You could always use an HD-PVR for that, or look at the HVR-1600, which does analog and QAM tuning |
| [21:06:26] | sphery: | 3000+ is on the low end of usability for MPEG-2 HDTV decoding in realtime, but should work |
| [21:06:30] | sphery: | just won't have a lot of overhead |
| [21:06:39] | RickA[Knight]: | I was looking at the HVR-1600, is that a good choice? |
| [21:06:52] | sphery: | HVR-1600 will only get the unencrypted digital channels |
| [21:07:01] | skd5aner: | you could also use a VDPAU tuner capable of decoding MPEG-2 on the GPU (I believe) |
| [21:07:08] | sphery: | but you can use the analog side of it to get any channel your set-top box can output (in standard definition) |
| [21:07:27] | skd5aner: | sphery: correct, but for me – that's all I used for 4 years -worked well enough for me :) |
| [21:07:28] | sphery: | HVR-1600 is a great choice for analog, SDTV capture |
| [21:07:37] | RickA[Knight]: | is there a better option if I want to get more channels? |
| [21:07:43] | sphery: | yeah, 3000+ should work |
| [21:07:43] | skd5aner: | RickA: HD-PVR |
| [21:07:59] | sphery: | if you want channels besides unencrypted, you /have/ to do analog capture |
| [21:08:16] | skd5aner: | you can use an HD-PVR, hook it up to the component outputs of your STB, and use firewire or IR to change the channels – then if your STB can tune it, you can capture it |
| [21:08:30] | sphery: | so for standard-def, use the HVR-1600 (or the PVR-150 or PVR-500 you can buy used from ebay) and for high-definition, use the HD-PVR |
| [21:08:32] | skd5aner: | or, use the HVR-1600 and capture channels 2–99 |
| [21:09:03] | sphery: | some STB's allow firewire output, but it's becoming more and more rare that it contains anything more than the unencrypted must-carry channels |
| [21:09:10] | skd5aner: | I would steer clear of the 150/500 – I have a 500 and while it's a decent card, I'm told the PQ of the HVR-1600 is probably better |
| [21:09:20] | RickA[Knight]: | so if I got both the HVR-1600 and the HD-PVR I would effectively have 2 tuners, 1 capable of HD, and one for analog SDTV capture? |
| [21:09:22] | sphery: | that may be--it's a lot newer |
| [21:09:33] | skd5aner: | sphery: per Davidheitmuller |
| [21:09:34] | sphery: | but then again, NTSC and picture quality don't really go hand-in-hand :) |
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| [21:09:57] | sphery: | and the $20 PVR-150 compared to a $??? HVR-1600... |
| [21:10:07] | RickA[Knight]: | $99 for the HVR-1600 |
| [21:10:18] | skd5aner: | RickA: the HVR-1600 can simultaneously capture analog and QAM/ATSC |
| [21:10:19] | sphery: | if you want picture quality, go for high-def |
| [21:10:24] | skd5aner: | so, it's actually a dual tuner |
| [21:10:38] | sphery: | but only unencrypted QAM |
| [21:10:42] | RickA[Knight]: | oh, okay so I can capture from my STB and a digital antenna at the same time? |
| [21:10:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: correct, I guess I thought that's kinda implicit :) |
| [21:10:53] | sphery: | likely the same local channels you could get with an antenna |
| [21:11:19] | RickA[Knight]: | yeah – I looked, there are about 75 clear QAM channels broadcast by my local cable co |
| [21:11:20] | sphery: | yes, STB for analog (standard def) and antenna for ATSC OTA channels |
| [21:11:41] | skd5aner: | RickA: so, if you had an HVR-1600, and an HD-PVR – you'd be able to record 1 channel of unecrypted QAM, 1 analog channel, and 1 channel from your STB at the same time |
| [21:11:46] | sphery: | that's a lot of clear QAM in today's world |
| [21:12:07] | RickA[Knight]: | :) thanks |
| [21:12:10] | skd5aner: | yes – it is |
| [21:12:11] | ** sphery wonders how long it will last ** | |
| [21:12:18] | ** skd5aner guesses not long ** | |
| [21:12:27] | RickA[Knight]: | and then from wht I read it's easier to install KnoppMyth on an IDE hard drive |
| [21:12:43] | sphery: | I don't know LinHES... |
| [21:12:46] | sphery: | may be true |
| [21:12:49] | skd5aner: | basically, I get only the local broadcast networks + PBS + 1–2 other local news stations over my clear QAM |
| [21:12:50] | RickA[Knight]: | so any WD/Maxtor/Seagate IDE drive okay? |
| [21:13:05] | sphery: | should be fine |
| [21:13:14] | devinheitmueller: | The incentive to use LinHES has been significantly decreased since both Ubuntu and RH have gotten better in packaging Mythtv. |
| [21:13:30] | skd5aner: | RickA: there are lots of myth-based distros anymore, LinHES, mythbuntu, etc |
| [21:13:31] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: but note that for ATSC recordings, you'll use between 1 and 8GB/hr (averaging about 6GB/hr) |
| [21:13:43] | devinheitmueller: | .... for example, I just used a stock Ubuntu and installed the MythTV packages using apt-get, and it "just worked". |
| [21:13:51] | skd5aner: | any drive should work, but if you are starting out – go for something >750GB minimal if possible |
| [21:13:52] | RickA[Knight]: | Oh, I see. I'll look into Mythbuntu :) |
| [21:14:01] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: your SDTV analog recordings from HVR-1600 will be more like 2–4GB/hr |
| [21:14:15] | devinheitmueller: | I'm just saying that there is less value in using a MythTV-specific distro than there used to be. |
| [21:14:19] | skd5aner: | there's also mythdora |
| [21:14:22] | skd5aner: | fyi |
| [21:14:27] | RickA[Knight]: | I was thinking of 2 500 GB HDDs |
| [21:14:40] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: and, really, the best bet is to ensure that your recordings are stored on a separate file system from your MySQL database and system root file system |
| [21:14:48] | skd5aner: | RickA: multiple drives using storage groups is a good idea |
| [21:14:55] | devinheitmueller: | Well, you can pickup a 1TB drive for $68, so you might want to think about just picking up a single drive. |
| [21:15:00] | skd5aner: | RickA: brand is irrelevant for the most part |
| [21:15:06] | RickA[Knight]: | kk |
| [21:15:13] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: so, if nothing else, make a separate partition for recordings, or use a tiny HDD for the system root and use the big HDD for the recordings |
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| [21:15:29] | RickA[Knight]: | So it might be a good idea to do the root install on the HD that i have (I think 80 gigs) and just get a separate drive for video storage? |
| [21:15:30] | sphery: | I highly recommend at least as many file systems as you have capture cards |
| [21:15:35] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: correct, but some of the loading characteristics of the storage groups make multiple hard drives a good bet too |
| [21:15:38] | RickA[Knight]: | yeah, what sphery said :) |
| [21:16:06] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: yeah, 80GB would be fine for a system root, then just make the 750GB or 1TB or 1.5TB or 2TB HDD into your recordings HDD |
| [21:16:12] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: sure, I'm just saying that if you haven't already bought the hardware, why complicate things with multiple disks? |
| [21:16:26] | skd5aner: | my recording drives are dedicated to just recordings |
| [21:16:31] | sphery: | mine too |
| [21:16:37] | RickA[Knight]: | that's what I was thinking of doing |
| [21:16:40] | sphery: | all 8.5TB of mine are |
| [21:16:46] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yup – if starting from scratch, but 2 1TB drives ;) |
| [21:16:51] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
| [21:16:52] | devinheitmueller: | sure. |
| [21:16:54] | RickA[Knight]: | and then the last thing, the computer currently has onboard video... which seems fine for me, since my TV accepts it and does wel w/ it. |
| [21:17:12] | RickA[Knight]: | should I look at a video card instead? |
| [21:17:14] | sphery: | you /must/ have Xv support |
| [21:17:22] | sphery: | you really should have good OpenGL support |
| [21:17:23] | ** skd5aner can't figure out how he wants to take the next step into adding storage space ** | |
| [21:17:27] | sphery: | what integrated video is it? |
| [21:17:47] | RickA[Knight]: | It's probably crapy, I can't remember I built it a long time ago – but I think it's an MSI board |
| [21:18:03] | RickA[Knight]: | it has a PCI express 16x slot. Is there a card you can recommend to go in there? |
| [21:18:03] | skd5aner: | external drive expanders, NAS, another server, etc |
| [21:18:16] | sphery: | well, in general, nvidia is the easiest to get working (because of their proprietary driver support) |
| [21:18:27] | sphery: | ATI works, but it's more challenging |
| [21:18:28] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: fibre channel, ftw! |
| [21:18:33] | skd5aner: | RickA: depends on the onboard video |
| [21:18:39] | RickA[Knight]: | What is a good nvidia chipset to go with? |
| [21:19:01] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: I just haven't done hardly any research because the budget hasn't been there/priorities, but I'm going to have to come up with something in the next couple months |
| [21:19:08] | skd5aner: | been putting it off |
| [21:19:19] | skd5aner: | RickA: anything that supports VDPAU |
| [21:19:27] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I'm kidding. fibre channel would be a pretty poor choice for your environment. |
| [21:19:32] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: I'd say anything for which you can get nvidia proprietary driver support |
| [21:19:55] | RickA[Knight]: | okay... so almost any 1–2 year old nvidia card will do? |
| [21:19:56] | sphery: | but then again, I'm not a fan of hardware decode |
| [21:20:01] | skd5aner: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs |
| [21:20:12] | sphery: | I use everything from an nvidia GF5200 to a 7800 |
| [21:20:16] | RickA[Knight]: | thank you skd5aner. |
| [21:20:17] | sphery: | all of them are old |
| [21:20:19] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: ha, I know – might as well call up EMC at that point ;) |
| [21:20:25] | sphery: | none will do VDPAU |
| [21:20:29] | RickA[Knight]: | my newest computer has a 7800 gtx :P |
| [21:20:31] | sphery: | (but I wouldn't do VDPAU if they could) |
| [21:20:36] | skd5aner: | RickA: my personal preference – GT220 or GT240 |
| [21:20:40] | sphery: | 7800 is overkill for myth |
| [21:20:43] | sphery: | but it works |
| [21:20:49] | sphery: | but won't do vdpau |
| [21:20:54] | RickA[Knight]: | I'll look at those cards skd5aner |
| [21:21:03] | skd5aner: | I just bought a GT240 and installed it yesterday, it has the feature set C capabilities (not really needed, but they're there) which are in trunk |
| [21:21:15] | skd5aner: | I mean, installed it Tuesday :) |
| [21:21:17] | sphery: | the GT's were designed pretty much /as/ media center graphics cards, so they work well |
| [21:21:21] | skd5aner: | but – again, just my preference |
| [21:21:40] | devinheitmueller: | It's all about cost/benefit. Anything greater than 8300 will do VDPAU – in which case I might question why to bother buying a GT240 which costs almost twice as much. |
| [21:21:45] | RickA[Knight]: | sounds good... and they're quite cheap nowadays |
| [21:22:01] | skd5aner: | yea, pretty much |
| [21:22:05] | skd5aner: | Mine was $60 after rebate |
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| [21:22:28] | RickA[Knight]: | there's lots of 220's for under $60 right now that i see |
| [21:22:33] | RickA[Knight]: | haven't looked at the 240's yet |
| [21:22:34] | skd5aner: | my only complaint, none of the GTs do component out :P |
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| [21:22:49] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: do *any* of them do component out? |
| [21:23:06] | RickA[Knight]: | It would be nice if they'd just make them w/ HDMI out (sound included) :) |
| [21:23:17] | skd5aner: | I wired my house with the expectation that component would be my primary distributed video channel, but HDMI is kinda the option now |
| [21:23:20] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: pretty much everything I've seen only have DVI or HDMI, but not component. |
| [21:23:26] | skd5aner: | I can always use Baluns, just didn't want to |
| [21:23:54] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: some of the 8x00 series had component, and I think a few 9x00 too |
| [21:24:00] | devinheitmueller: | oh. |
| [21:24:04] | devinheitmueller: | well, learn something new every day. |
| [21:24:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: didnt log anything |
| [21:24:15] | RickA[Knight]: | I think the only downfall to component was the 5 plugs... |
| [21:24:24] | RickA[Knight]: | otherwise, it's great. |
| [21:24:29] | skd5aner: | RickA: again, just personal preference, but I usually shop/buy at newegg.com |
| [21:24:34] | RickA[Knight]: | (i'm including sound of course) |
| [21:24:36] | skd5aner: | once you know, you newegg (slogan) |
| [21:24:38] | RickA[Knight]: | I always sho at newegg. :) |
| [21:24:44] | RickA[Knight]: | shop* |
| [21:24:52] | RickA[Knight]: | just too convenient for me not to... |
| [21:24:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nothing at all? |
| [21:25:15] | skd5aner: | just know that I don't think there's sound support over the HDMI port on the video cards yet in linux, I don't follow the progress because I still use SPDIF, but... |
| [21:25:17] | wagnerrp: | neither of the things it should have logged |
| [21:25:42] | RickA[Knight]: | sound support isn't a dealbreaker for me anyway, just a good idea imo. |
| [21:25:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are you getting a DB error "DBUtil Finding Tables" |
| [21:25:55] | sphery: | if not, it must be: if (!query.isConnected()) |
| [21:25:56] | skd5aner: | last I heard, ALSA is trying to make it work, so it's just a matter of time |
| [21:26:11] | RickA[Knight]: | does the HD-PVR do the encoding on board, or offload it to the cpu? |
| [21:26:19] | j-rod: | onboard |
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| [21:26:24] | RickA[Knight]: | kk |
| [21:26:25] | skd5aner: | onboard |
| [21:26:40] | skd5aner: | decoding, on the other hand... |
| [21:26:46] | skd5aner: | CPU or GPU (if using VDPAU) |
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| [21:27:03] | skd5aner: | my CPU can't handle high-bit rate h264 encording from the HD-PVR |
| [21:27:14] | skd5aner: | I have to offload it to the GPU or I get major stuttering |
| [21:27:20] | RickA[Knight]: | what cpu? |
| [21:27:37] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, h.264 in HD is pretty expensive to decode. |
| [21:27:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: can you add the top hunk of the patch in, and try again? http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-de . . . Tables.patch (refresh for top hunk) |
| [21:27:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that top hunk probably should be added. |
| [21:28:09] | skd5aner: | honestly, don't remember – what's the CLI to retrieve CPU info? |
| [21:28:17] | sphery: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [21:28:20] | wagnerrp: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [21:28:28] | RickA[Knight]: | <---- linux noob |
| [21:28:45] | skd5aner: | <--- linux noob for 10 years |
| [21:29:00] | sphery: | On YellowDog Linux, it might be: dog /proc/cpuinfo |
| [21:29:02] | skd5aner: | It's still a secondary OS to me |
| [21:29:17] | skd5aner: | more of an appliance than a way of life, google is your friend :) |
| [21:29:19] | sphery: | GNU/Linux is second to none!!! |
| [21:29:21] | skd5aner: | to me that is |
| [21:29:23] | RickA[Knight]: | yeah |
| [21:29:43] | skd5aner: | sphery: possibly ;) |
| [21:29:46] | RickA[Knight]: | I wanna learn my way around it enough to want to have a dual boot on my main computer...so I can do stuff in linux if I want to. But I'm far from that right now |
| [21:29:52] | ** j-rod has the latest yellow dog on dvd on the shelf behind him ** | |
| [21:29:53] | sphery: | Yeah, actually, I think that most people who use GNU/Linux as a primary OS do so for completely wrong reasons |
| [21:30:01] | skd5aner: | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz |
| [21:30:06] | RickA[Knight]: | A friend of mine was saying to just get a windows GUI (but then I won't learn any linux)! |
| [21:30:14] | sphery: | j-rod: is "the latest" actually recent? Are they still around? |
| [21:30:15] | skd5aner: | that's what's in my frontend – 3 years old or so I'd say |
| [21:30:27] | RickA[Knight]: | still pretty new |
| [21:30:41] | skd5aner: | eh – not really by current standards, but not "old" yet either |
| [21:30:42] | j-rod: | sphery: yeah, its not very recent. came with my ydl powerstation. |
| [21:30:46] | sphery: | RickA[Knight]: If you're buying a new CPU for Myth, I highly recommend low-TDP dual-core processors |
| [21:30:52] | j-rod: | they got bought by fixstars, a japanese company |
| [21:30:56] | j-rod: | they're still around though |
| [21:31:03] | RickA[Knight]: | I'm not – I'm going to turn that old one into my myth box |
| [21:31:03] | sphery: | quads+ are a waste today--especially when factoring in power cost |
| [21:31:19] | sphery: | j-rod: interesting... I didn't keep up |
| [21:31:25] | RickA[Knight]: | it should run it well enough. When I build a new desktop for me, my current will become a myth box |
| [21:31:33] | sphery: | don't think I've ever actually tried the distro, either |
| [21:31:35] | j-rod: | sphery: I presume you're speaking wrt mythtv and not in general... |
| [21:31:44] | j-rod: | (when you say a quad+ is a waste) |
| [21:31:46] | sphery: | j-rod: definitely wrt myth for quad+ |
| [21:31:59] | sphery: | they have their purposes elsewhere |
| [21:32:04] | ** j-rod hugs his dual hexacore box ** | |
| [21:32:05] | skd5aner: | RickA: the nice thing about VDPAU is that my CPU usage went from max trying to decode h264 content, to ~7% |
| [21:32:24] | RickA[Knight]: | I see, so it helps to have a VDPAU gpu |
| [21:32:27] | sphery: | but for myth a higher-frequency fewer-core CPU is better than lower-frequency more-core CPU |
| [21:32:37] | j-rod: | *nod*, agreed |
| [21:32:37] | skd5aner: | again – some would say it's not necessary, but for me – I like it |
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| [21:33:00] | sphery: | vdpau works great when it works great |
| [21:33:04] | skd5aner: | ... and for the price, it makes little sense to *not* have a VDPAU capable gfx card |
| [21:33:10] | RickA[Knight]: | 60% of the time, every time? |
| [21:33:21] | RickA[Knight]: | :D |
| [21:33:21] | sphery: | but when software decode doesn't work, you can actually fix it (rather than beg nvidia to fix it) |
| [21:33:22] | j-rod: | it rarely ever falls down here |
| [21:33:26] | skd5aner: | you don't have to use VDPAU even if the card is capable, but why limit yourself |
| [21:33:52] | RickA[Knight]: | cool |
| [21:33:56] | sphery: | Yeah, if buying new, getting vdpau capable isn't a bad idea |
| [21:33:57] | skd5aner: | I think "sex panther" might have been nvidia's codename for VDPAU when it was in the labs |
| [21:34:08] | sphery: | but if you already have a relatively recent nvidia, I'd try it first |
| [21:34:18] | RickA[Knight]: | so I'm looking at probably a HVR-1600 to start, a big HD, and a GT 220/240 |
| [21:34:32] | sphery: | that should get you going |
| [21:34:34] | RickA[Knight]: | maybe move to the HD-PVR if I feel the need |
| [21:34:37] | skd5aner: | "or 2 big HDs" if you can swing it |
| [21:34:44] | sphery: | then another big HDD, then another big HDD, then... |
| [21:34:56] | RickA[Knight]: | Yeah – I'll try... I'm paying for a wedding this year too, so we'll see. :) |
| [21:34:59] | sphery: | I have 8.5TB, and another user in here has 22TB |
| [21:35:08] | RickA[Knight]: | wow @_@ |
| [21:35:11] | sphery: | many have values in between |
| [21:35:14] | RickA[Knight]: | clean the DVR much? |
| [21:35:14] | PeaceKeeper: | How much memory should a GPU have? |
| [21:35:17] | skd5aner: | yea – HD-PVR is nice, and it works good, but it's not 100% rock solid like the tuner's typically are |
| [21:35:21] | sphery: | (don't know if anyone has more than 22TB) |
| [21:35:37] | skd5aner: | also – down the road, if QAM is working out for you well, you can also look at the HDHomerun (HDHR) |
| [21:35:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I think the big problem with the HD-PVR reliability is the STB's it's reliant on |
| [21:35:55] | sphery: | too many differences |
| [21:36:12] | j-rod: | I have 6T and its massive overkill |
| [21:36:22] | skd5aner: | yea – in my case, it takes 2–5 seconds for the channel to "lock-in" on the STB, and I have to put a wait in my channel changing script, otherwise the HD-PVR recordings get corrupted... |
| [21:36:22] | sphery: | my 8.5TB isn't overkill... |
| [21:36:24] | PeaceKeeper: | Say a GT220, how much memory is recommended? |
| [21:36:26] | skd5aner: | ... and segfaul myth |
| [21:36:36] | sphery: | but then again, I spend way too much time talking in here and not enough actually watching my recordings :) |
| [21:36:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: even with '-v all', im not picking up those errors |
| [21:36:49] | j-rod: | though I don't subscribe to sphery's methodology of just recording everything that looks possibly interesting |
| [21:37:00] | wagnerrp: | so its not because i was running without 'important' |
| [21:37:01] | RickA[Knight]: | hehe |
| [21:37:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you try with the new top hunk at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-de . . . Tables.patch (might need a refresh) |
| [21:37:05] | j-rod: | I have a fairly trim list of shows I actually record and watch anymore |
| [21:37:07] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:37:08] | AndyCap: | sphery: irc in a transparent terminal in front of myth. |
| [21:37:11] | skd5aner: | I have 2TB for recordings now, and it's just now starting to become "too little" |
| [21:37:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the one that gives an error if you have !query.isConnected() ? |
| [21:37:24] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:37:32] | sphery: | and you installed the version after adding that? |
| [21:37:40] | skd5aner: | but, 2TB is usually fine if you watch a lot of TV – also, I save a lot of shows and have not been able to use nuvexport to archive them yet |
| [21:37:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [21:37:45] | j-rod: | I think the most space I've ever used was about 2.5T, currently sitting around 1.2T, iirc |
| [21:38:01] | skd5aner: | peacekeeper: ~< 512MB |
| [21:38:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: because at that point, there would be no way to exit that function without log output |
| [21:38:24] | sphery: | (save a segfault, but...) |
| [21:38:25] | PeaceKeeper: | ok thank you |
| [21:38:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: oddly enough, yes, but its happening |
| [21:38:52] | skd5aner: | VDPAU on certain cards with < 512MB has sometimes been a problem for folks in certain circumstances, 512MB seems to be the magic number |
| [21:38:52] | sphery: | and you're sure you're looking at current log output? |
| [21:39:00] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
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| [21:39:07] | wagnerrp: | timestamps are current |
| [21:39:07] | RickA[Knight]: | at 50 bucks more for the HD HomeRun compared to the HVR-1600 I wonder if I should just go for that? |
| [21:39:27] | wagnerrp: | RickA[Knight]: do you nee analog? |
| [21:39:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, that's just plain weird |
| [21:39:29] | skd5aner: | the HDHR will only capture clear (unencrypted) QAM/ATSC |
| [21:39:39] | RickA[Knight]: | oh, I see |
| [21:39:43] | skd5aner: | it will not capture analog (i.e., channels 2–99 on your cable) |
| [21:39:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: only thing i cant think of is its not getting called at all |
| [21:39:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and you reset the schema version to a not-current one? |
| [21:39:52] | sphery: | like 1253? |
| [21:39:59] | wagnerrp: | yes, because its erroring when trying to update |
| [21:40:07] | wagnerrp: | going to add a log to say when it runs that command |
| [21:40:09] | sphery: | can I see the log output? |
| [21:40:11] | wagnerrp: | make sure its even going there |
| [21:40:16] | sphery: | that makes sense |
| [21:41:12] | skd5aner: | Rick: that get you headed in the right direction? |
| [21:41:21] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1787462 |
| [21:41:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also, are you sure you have the braces right on the "if (query.size() == 0) |
| [21:41:30] | sphery: | (i.e. none) |
| [21:41:41] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [21:41:45] | RickA[Knight]: | I think so... I'm trying to figure out what set of tuner cards/encoders I would need to eventually be able to record my whole cable lineup (if that's even possible) |
| [21:41:53] | skd5aner: | one thing to keep in mind, myth is *not* a cost saving opportunity vs many of the commerical DVR options – it's a hobby, and some invest a lot of time and money into it |
| [21:42:30] | RickA[Knight]: | yeah, I don't necessarily care about saving money... more about learning and the possible customization. |
| [21:42:33] | skd5aner: | sphery and wagnerrp seem to be permanently trapped inside this IRC chatroom, so keep that in mind – it is capable of consuming you ;) |
| [21:43:06] | skd5aner: | HD-PVR is probably the only option today capable of recording *everything* you pay for |
| [21:43:09] | RickA[Knight]: | and I've always been a lot more for things that I can shell out a lump sum for, and avoid monthly fees at all costs :) |
| [21:43:17] | RickA[Knight]: | Same reason I never played WoW |
| [21:43:43] | RickA[Knight]: | That and I watched it consume my brother's lives. |
| [21:43:51] | skd5aner: | the other useful peace of advice, especially for linux n00bs, is that once you get over the learning curve and get myth working – DON'T TOUCH IT |
| [21:43:52] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:44:02] | sphery: | +1 |
| [21:44:02] | RickA[Knight]: | haha |
| [21:44:11] | sphery: | if it ain't broke... |
| [21:44:14] | RickA[Knight]: | don't fix it. |
| [21:44:21] | RickA[Knight]: | I got ya |
| [21:44:28] | sphery: | and run the stable release on your "production" system |
| [21:44:33] | skd5aner: | there's a ton you can tinker with, and I do encourage you to learn, but just realize what it is you are doing before you do it and know how to get back to where you started |
| [21:44:38] | sphery: | use a different development system if you want to mess with trunk |
| [21:44:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1787463 |
| [21:44:44] | skd5aner: | yea – run -fixes |
| [21:44:47] | sphery: | 0.22-fixes now (and "soon" 0.23-fixes) |
| [21:45:16] | skd5aner: | or, in your case, if you use mythbuntu or mythdora, use their -fixes branch versions |
| [21:45:29] | wagnerrp: | its running, its just managing to exit without erroring |
| [21:45:31] | RickA[Knight]: | well I figure by the time i get this box up and running I'll be ready for a new computer myself, so my current will go in the mix, so I'll have 2 boxes to play w/. |
| [21:45:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: how are you getting th elog output? could it be that your stdout/stderr are going different places? |
| [21:45:37] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise logging anything |
| [21:46:12] | wagnerrp: | im using '--logfile' |
| [21:46:12] | skd5aner: | yup – my hand me downs usually become a new SBE or something |
| [21:46:32] | skd5aner: | or HD space, PCI slots for tuners, something |
| [21:47:17] | skd5aner: | RickA: the mythtv community has gotten a bad wrap in the past related to noobies, don't be afraid to ask questions – you'll find lots of people who want to help |
| [21:47:32] | skd5aner: | most of the people who bite have left ;) |
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| [21:48:09] | devinheitmueller: | hey, kind of OT, but has anyone else had problems trying to get their remote to work with the Hulu Desktop? |
| [21:48:12] | RickA[Knight]: | THank you! |
| [21:48:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wanna take out the if (query.size() == 0) ? It might be getting non-zero for size, but all are called views? |
| [21:48:25] | devinheitmueller: | (figured I would ask since I'm sure there is considerable overlap in the user base) |
| [21:48:36] | skd5aner: | devin: haven't ever tried, sorry |
| [21:48:40] | sphery: | no, then it would output "DBUtil::GetTables() – Got table..." |
| [21:49:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm thinking this may be a Qt bug |
| [21:49:08] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I don't use it, but they *do* require the bizarro --release argument for lircd |
| [21:49:15] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I got that. |
| [21:49:17] | sphery: | might even be the one they fixed for Qt4.6.1 |
| [21:49:22] | iamlindoro: | so issue with that, especially when using other LIRC apps, would not surprise me |
| [21:49:42] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I've followed all the instructions, and in fact I can actually see the messages being received on the socket when stracing the hulu-desktop application. |
| [21:49:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm thinking it's http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5758 |
| [21:50:05] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I debug applications by running them through strace. |
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| [21:50:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but I'd like to see the value of query.size() |
| [21:50:25] | PeaceKeeper: | ticket #8029 cracks me up |
| [21:50:39] | PeaceKeeper: | the solution is classic :) |
| [21:50:42] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: unfortunately I just can't hepl beyond that pearl of wisdom :) |
| [21:50:49] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: yeah, thanks. |
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| [21:51:09] | iamlindoro: | We aim to please and entertain on trac |
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| [21:51:20] | devinheitmueller: | I'm actually really happy with how well it integrates (just added a menu item to the front page). Except I just need to get the remote working to make it acceptable to the fiance. |
| [21:51:51] | PeaceKeeper: | :) |
| [21:51:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im getting '-1' tables from that query |
| [21:51:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: see modified VERBOSE for "DBUtil::GetTables() – Got %1 tables" at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-de . . . Tables.patch |
| [21:52:04] | sphery: | negative 1... weird |
| [21:52:22] | ** wagnerrp applied sphery's patch before he was done writing it ** | |
| [21:52:33] | sphery: | "-1 if the size cannot be determined" |
| [21:52:58] | sphery: | so that's not really a problem--just a problem in my log output |
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| [21:56:50] | RickA[Knight]: | Back to work I guess. :\ |
| [21:58:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-de . . . Tables.patch perhaps? |
| [21:59:58] | sphery: | btw, I updated it so you'd need to refresh |
| [22:01:39] | wagnerrp: | gives an error, and then proceeds to try to create a fresh database |
| [22:02:26] | sphery: | may I see the log output? |
| [22:03:16] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1787489 |
| [22:03:55] | sphery: | so why is it getting false from query.next() on the first try |
| [22:04:07] | sphery: | can you pastebin the output of SHOW FULL TABLES; please |
| [22:05:14] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1787492 |
| [22:05:39] | sphery: | I'm thinking it's "If the record could not be retrieved, the result is positioned after the last record and false is returned. If the record is successfully retrieved, true is returned." + http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5758 |
| [22:05:46] | sphery: | i.e. there's an error but no error is reported |
| [22:06:02] | sphery: | any interest in applying my patch from QTBUG-5758 to your Qt ? :) |
| [22:06:25] | sphery: | (just need it on the mythtv system that's doing the upgrade--whichever one you use) |
| [22:07:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and, by the way, thank you very much for all the time you've spent on this. I really don't like the workaround to catch an "impossible" situation |
| [22:07:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you tried dropping and restoring the DB? |
| [22:08:03] | sphery: | I'm thinking there's a DB data file issue |
| [22:08:16] | sphery: | that's causing an error on the SHOW FULL TABLES |
| [22:09:16] | wagnerrp: | ill do that currently |
| [22:09:50] | sphery: | thanks |
| [22:10:42] | sphery: | it's also possible that an optimize_mythdb.pl may fix it |
| [22:10:50] | sphery: | if you haven't tried that, yet |
| [22:12:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A is ROTFL at iam's reply to #8029 ... ;-) ** | |
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| [22:13:16] | wagnerrp: | same problem after backup/drop/restore |
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| [22:14:17] | sphery: | :( |
| [22:14:22] | wagnerrp: | same problem after optimize_mythdb.pl |
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| [22:16:14] | sphery: | oh, btw, the patch on QTBUG-5758 is in 4.6.1, so if you can get 4.6.1 through packages, that would work for testing with the patch |
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| [22:16:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [22:16:46] | wagnerrp: | probably not, and if i could, thats on the wrong side of a 5+hr compile |
| [22:17:30] | sphery: | ah, gentoo, so you still compile |
| [22:17:39] | wagnerrp: | freebsd, same thing |
| [22:17:44] | sphery: | ok |
| [22:17:50] | wagnerrp: | looks like the recent tree does have 4.6.1 |
| [22:18:19] | wagnerrp: | im going to build a new sql server image now, on the off chance thats the problem |
| [22:18:26] | wagnerrp: | ill do qt overnight otherwise |
| [22:18:27] | sphery: | the output of the show full tables didn't show anything suspicious, so I don't know what the error could be |
| [22:18:33] | sphery: | thanks |
| [22:18:39] | sphery: | if you get an error message, I'd love to see it |
| [22:18:53] | sphery: | we're in the dark right now--all we know is it's happening underneath myth |
| [22:19:00] | sphery: | (and don't know why) |
| [22:21:02] | sphery: | thanks again for all the testing on it |
| [22:22:01] | wagnerrp: | well its at least comforting to know im not the only one baffled by it |
| [22:22:53] | sphery: | heh, yeah, you've baffled me good |
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| [22:23:35] | kormoc: | what's going on? |
| [22:24:08] | wagnerrp: | my schema updates are failing |
| [22:24:24] | wagnerrp: | but instead of trying to update, it tries to create a fresh new database |
| [22:24:37] | wagnerrp: | because the 'SHOW FULL TABLES' call is failing |
| [22:24:40] | sphery: | kormoc: we run a SHOW FULL TABLES, it's returning results, but query.next() is returning false. |
| [22:24:54] | sphery: | query.next() would return false if there's an error |
| [22:24:54] | kormoc: | any error codes? |
| [22:24:55] | wagnerrp: | and query.size() is returning -1 |
| [22:25:08] | kormoc: | and running that via the mysql client works? |
| [22:25:14] | wagnerrp: | works fine |
| [22:25:40] | kormoc: | changing it to just show tables changes anything? |
| [22:25:52] | sphery: | since changes to Qt have caused all statements to be executed as prepared statements and the prepared statement code is newer, I'm 99.9999% positive there's an error occurring and it's not being reported because of http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5758 |
| [22:25:56] | wagnerrp: | lets find out... |
| [22:26:10] | sphery: | you'll have to get rid of the section that checks to see if it's a view if you do just show tables |
| [22:26:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [22:26:20] | sphery: | just make it stick everything in there |
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| [22:26:45] | sphery: | i.e. there is no query.value(1) if not show full tables |
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| [22:27:30] | kormoc: | sphery: is that code just to filter out views? |
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| [22:27:39] | sphery: | it's to get a list of tables |
| [22:27:51] | kormoc: | right, but why full vs normal? |
| [22:28:05] | sphery: | since show full tables was supported prior to MySQL 5.0.15 (our min version), we used full tables and we filter out views |
| [22:28:20] | sphery: | because it's GetTables() not GetTablesAndViews() :) |
| [22:28:35] | sphery: | but, yeah, just so we can filter views |
| [22:28:54] | kormoc: | Yeah, just wanted to mention that you can do SHOW FULL TABLES WHERE `Table_type` = 'BASE TABLE'; and not post-process the list in the C++ side |
| [22:28:57] | sphery: | if it works for wagnerrp without full, I'll change it and remove the view stuff |
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| [22:29:12] | sphery: | nice |
| [22:29:18] | sphery: | worth the change anyway |
| [22:29:53] | wagnerrp: | still the same error |
| [22:31:20] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: run a SHOW TABLE STATUS\G |
| [22:31:22] | kormoc: | ? |
| [22:31:32] | sphery: | kormoc: do you know if there's any version requirement for that (other than the version that supports SHOW FULL TABLES)? |
| [22:31:39] | wagnerrp: | \G ? |
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| [22:31:53] | sphery: | vertical output |
| [22:31:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: puts it in a vertical row format rather then a horizontal row format |
| [22:32:07] | kormoc: | sphery: there shouldn't be any |
| [22:32:12] | sphery: | ah, now we're getting somewhere... we just needed a real DB admin :) |
| [22:32:19] | kormoc: | but if there's a table condition that's being a little odd... |
| [22:32:29] | sphery: | kormoc: thanks |
| [22:32:49] | kormoc: | sphery: don't thank me yet :P We'll see if I can figure it out :) |
| [22:33:28] | sphery: | kormoc: regardless, you've stepped between me and wagnerrp's bullet :) |
| [22:34:02] | wagnerrp: | isnt there some 'pastecat' or something... something that will upload files to pastebins |
| [22:34:03] | sphery: | kormoc, The Human Target |
| [22:34:20] | sphery: | btw, I liked you a lot in Keen Eddie |
| [22:34:27] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:34:30] | sphery: | looking forward to the new show |
| [22:34:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: not that I know of |
| [22:35:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/mythconverg_output.txt |
| [22:35:57] | wagnerrp: | those are all brand new from a dump/restore |
| [22:36:10] | sphery: | http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28739 |
| [22:37:05] | sphery: | btw, that's a script purporting to upload stuff to pastebin |
| [22:37:10] | sphery: | paste2pastebin.pl |
| [22:37:32] | sphery: | http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl |
| [22:37:46] | sphery: | heh: name=>'clueless |
| [22:38:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: looks good... Anther option is to try SELECT TABLES.TABLE_NAME FROM TABLES WHERE TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA = 'mythconverg' AND TABLES.TABLE_TYPE = 'BASE TABLE'; |
| [22:39:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: whoops. missed the database. make that FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES |
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| [22:39:58] | sphery: | will need to do that in a USE mysql |
| [22:40:08] | sphery: | or: SELECT mysql.TABLES.TABLE_NAME FROM mysql.TABLES WHERE mysql.TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA = 'mythconverg' AND mysql.TABLES.TABLE_TYPE = 'BASE TABLE'; |
| [22:40:11] | sphery: | right? |
| [22:40:21] | sphery: | (and with a user who has rights to mysql DB) |
| [22:40:28] | kormoc: | replace the mysql with INFORMATION_SCHEMA and pretty much |
| [22:40:33] | sphery: | ahhh... |
| [22:40:39] | kormoc: | although you only have to triple dot the FROM and the rest should work fine |
| [22:40:49] | wagnerrp: | was all that typing really just a long 'show tables;'? |
| [22:40:59] | kormoc: | Yes, but different codepath |
| [22:41:10] | sphery: | cool... that works even with an unprivileged user |
| [22:41:11] | wagnerrp: | well its the same 107 tables |
| [22:41:21] | sphery: | does it work in the query in myth? |
| [22:41:33] | sphery: | SELECT INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_NAME FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES WHERE INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA = 'mythconverg' AND INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_TYPE = 'BASE TABLE'; |
| [22:41:35] | kormoc: | yup, but the server runs it entirely differently and hopefully bypasses that weird error |
| [22:41:48] | sphery: | I'd be willing to change to that query if it fixes it |
| [22:42:05] | wagnerrp: | how would i pull in the database name, rather than using 'mythconverg' directly? |
| [22:42:07] | sphery: | (since the SHOW stuff causes its own issues) |
| [22:42:14] | kormoc: | could do |
| [22:42:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: for now hard code it |
| [22:42:25] | kormoc: | SELECT INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_NAME FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES WHERE INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_SCHEMA = DATABASE() AND INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES.TABLE_TYPE = 'BASE TABLE'; |
| [22:42:29] | sphery: | with whatever name |
| [22:42:33] | sphery: | or that |
| [22:42:34] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:45:01] | ** wagnerrp tries this excessively ginormous query ** | |
| [22:45:11] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: that's nothing! |
| [22:45:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw the 'simple' one you gave me for searching for multiple cast members |
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| [22:46:51] | kormoc: | I'm quite proud of this one: http://pastebin.ca/1787531 . It generates the sql statements to convert columns from latin1 to utf-8, grouping them by table so that it's only one table rebuild, no matter how many columns that need updating. That was a fun one :) |
| [22:46:59] | [R]: | if i have a data dvd with 1 video file on it, can myth play it like it plays a video dvd? |
| [22:47:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-Ge . . . _mysql.patch (if you haven't done it, yet) |
| [22:47:42] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [22:47:48] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: anything? |
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| [22:48:15] | wagnerrp: | complained about that same 'Got false from query.next()', and then proceeded to upgrade |
| [22:48:27] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [22:48:32] | wagnerrp: | oh, looks like it always prints that |
| [22:48:38] | wagnerrp: | some debugging code sphery pyt in |
| [22:48:50] | wagnerrp: | so yeah, it works |
| [22:48:54] | kormoc: | Ahh, so why would show tables fail but information schema work... |
| [22:48:57] | ** kormoc ponders deeply ** | |
| [22:49:00] | sphery: | that query works, but the show tables fails? |
| [22:49:07] | sphery: | even plain show tables? |
| [22:49:23] | sphery: | I still blame the Qt bug |
| [22:49:35] | wagnerrp: | both 'SHOW TABLES' and 'SHOW FULL TABLES' failed |
| [22:49:40] | sphery: | it should be telling us /why/ the other fails (but won't until 4.6.1) |
| [22:50:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: and when you ran the cLI, you logged in as the same user myth is running as? |
| [22:50:22] | wagnerrp: | same user from the same host |
| [22:50:23] | sphery: | kormoc: could it have anything to do with charsets? |
| [22:50:29] | sphery: | a SET NAMES kind of thing? |
| [22:50:45] | kormoc: | Shouldn't |
| [22:50:48] | wagnerrp: | seems my terminal is currently set to Latin-1 |
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| [22:51:32] | kormoc: | none of his tables showed non-latin1 on the pastebin of show table status |
| [22:51:34] | sphery: | maybe it's just freebsd brokenness :) |
| [22:51:45] | kormoc: | Freebsd mysql? |
| [22:51:51] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [22:52:28] | kormoc: | same mysql client lib versions on the linux box as the server on the freebsd box? |
| [22:52:43] | kormoc: | and I mean exactly to the point release version? |
| [22:53:03] | kormoc: | (linux version linked into qt that is) |
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| [22:54:29] | wagnerrp: | same box... oddly not the same release |
| [22:54:41] | kormoc: | that'd be the troubles then! |
| [22:55:06] | wagnerrp: | the sql server is off on its own IP in its own sandbox |
| [22:55:15] | wagnerrp: | looks like im running 5.1.23 on the server |
| [22:55:21] | wagnerrp: | but only 5.0.86 for the client |
| [22:55:30] | kormoc: | I'd wager updating the client will fix it |
| [22:55:40] | sphery: | kormoc: If I change the filtering to be in MySQL for GetTables, which query should I use: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-Ge . . . _mysql.patch |
| [22:55:49] | wagnerrp: | but that 5.0.86 is the same client that i can manually run 'show tables' on |
| [22:56:27] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: sure, but you can attach to the SHOW * stuff via c apis (qt) or via the generic query interface (mysql client), I bet the c api is having the issue |
| [22:57:03] | kormoc: | sphery: I'd shoot for information_schema personally |
| [22:58:10] | wagnerrp: | werent there some issues with mythtv and qt4.6? |
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| [22:58:33] | sphery: | ttbomk, no |
| [22:58:36] | User4360: | hi all |
| [22:58:58] | User4360: | i have a problem with mythmusic. |
| [22:59:02] | sphery: | I'd guess that mythtv would work better with it (since it fixes the QTimer issue properly--of course we now have a hack in there to work around it) |
| [22:59:22] | sphery: | kormoc: and INFO_SCHEMA should work anywhere SHOW FULL TABLES worked? |
| [22:59:26] | sphery: | same grants and all? |
| [22:59:36] | kormoc: | sphery: TTBOMK, yes |
| [22:59:39] | sphery: | cool |
| [22:59:44] | sphery: | guess we'll hear about it if not |
| [22:59:45] | User4360: | i only see the selected menu entry in mythmusic all other entys in the playlist are invisible. |
| [23:00:16] | User4360: | why that ? |
| [23:00:25] | sphery: | broken theme? |
| [23:00:32] | ** sphery guesses you are running trunk ** | |
| [23:00:49] | User4360: | it is in ALL themes |
| [23:01:19] | sphery: | what version of Myth |
| [23:01:27] | sphery: | is it trunk r23443 or higher? |
| [23:01:40] | sphery: | mythbackend --version |
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| [23:01:46] | sphery: | (pastebin, please) |
| [23:01:52] | sphery: | or just quote the SVN revision and branch |
| [23:03:22] | User4360: | @sperhy you mean the first row ? "mythtv version" ? |
| [23:03:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:03:45] | sphery: | and the branch |
| [23:04:02] | User4360: | MythTV Version : 22996; MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-22-fixes ; Library API : 0.22.20091023–1 |
| [23:04:11] | sphery: | hmmm... then it's not what I thought |
| [23:04:18] | sphery: | what theme? |
| [23:04:27] | User4360: | all themes... |
| [23:04:29] | sphery: | Try Terra and/or Graphite and/or Mythbuntu |
| [23:04:41] | sphery: | and note that virtually all others are actually the same theme |
| [23:04:45] | User4360: | i try it with gant, bluetube, minimalised and so on... |
| [23:04:51] | sphery: | those are /all/ the same theme |
| [23:04:55] | sphery: | try the 3 I mentioned |
| [23:05:40] | Wicked: | is there anyway to disable the "please wait" screen when going to play something? it *always* gets stuck on that screen and i have to blindly hit "back, down, ok" to quit the video and try to restart it. |
| [23:06:08] | sphery: | Wicked: by commenting it out in the code |
| [23:06:15] | Wicked: | :( |
| [23:06:27] | sphery: | Wicked: what's your CPU usage when idling on main menu and Watch Recordings screen? |
| [23:06:30] | wagnerrp: | is this some sort of prank? or do people this disturbed actually exist? http://peopleofwalmart.com/?p=9408 |
| [23:06:34] | sphery: | (just a top will be enough to know) |
| [23:07:08] | Wicked: | sphery, ill have to check...is this in regards to the whole redraw bug....something about resolutions and repainting |
| [23:07:24] | Wicked: | i saw some people talking about that in here a few weeks ago |
| [23:07:29] | sphery: | it's a QTimer thing |
| [23:07:37] | sphery: | also, are you using 0.22-fixes or trunk? |
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| [23:08:27] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: xris and I worked with a furry, he would go around to beaches in the area dressed up |
| [23:08:57] | Wicked: | sphery, 0.22-fixes |
| [23:09:18] | ** sphery uses this situation to his advantage ** | |
| [23:09:24] | Wicked: | mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [23111] www.mythtv.org |
| [23:09:31] | sphery: | Wicked: can you check your cpu usage when idling? |
| [23:09:40] | Wicked: | sure |
| [23:09:47] | ** sphery hopes for 7%/14% ** | |
| [23:09:57] | User4360: | ok i try the 3 themes... mythbuntu works fine. graphite: i see the playlist bute the frames are invisible and Terry: i see the all, but the "marked" row have i cloud-picture as background and ich can't red the selected entry. |
| [23:10:06] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: sure they have their websites and their conventions.... but they actually go out in public? |
| [23:10:38] | Wicked: | seems to be bouncing around from 13–14% on a 2.13ghz core2duo |
| [23:10:41] | sphery: | User4360: from here, I can't help... but it sounds like a theme problem... might want to ensure you have the right version of themes installed |
| [23:10:46] | sphery: | Wicked: sweet!!!! |
| [23:10:53] | sphery: | or Wicked cool, so to speak |
| [23:11:01] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: its ~14% regardless of what processor you have |
| [23:11:04] | Wicked: | :) |
| [23:11:05] | sphery: | Wicked: would you like to do me a huge favor--which will likely fix the issue you have |
| [23:11:06] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:11:11] | Wicked: | i can try |
| [23:11:22] | sphery: | Wicked: any chance you can upgrade Qt to 4.6.1 with your package system? |
| [23:11:28] | sphery: | I'm guessing you're on Qt 4.5.x, right? |
| [23:11:35] | Wicked: | let me check |
| [23:11:42] | User4360: | @sphery you mean, i should dowload, compile and install the themes again ? |
| [23:12:13] | Wicked: | whats a easy way to check what version i have? |
| [23:12:32] | sphery: | User4360: If you're installing yourself, make sure you have the proper ones for the version you're using... If you're using tarballs to build MythTV from source, you shouldn't be. You should either use the 0.22-fixes branch in SVN or packages. |
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| [23:12:49] | sphery: | User4360: if you used tarballs, the error is almost definitely fixed in current stable release 0.22-fixes code |
| [23:12:56] | Wicked: | well im using ubuntu 9.10....so w/e that uses...im using |
| [23:13:03] | sphery: | Wicked: package manager command? |
| [23:13:12] | sphery: | some apt query kind of thing-ish-maybe |
| [23:13:38] | Wicked: | ah yea. im not sure which one i need off top of my head....give me a sec to figure it out |
| [23:13:45] | User4360: | i use the svn-package |
| [23:14:44] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [23:15:12] | sphery: | User4360: then make sure that myththemes, mythplugins, and mythtv are all the exact same version... And it looks like you're a while behind current, so I'd recommend just svn up'ing all of them to current |
| [23:15:15] | Wicked: | Version: 4.5.3really4.5.2–0ubuntu1 |
| [23:15:17] | ** wagnerrp may have just done a very bad thing ** | |
| [23:15:37] | wagnerrp: | i 'rm -r'd one level higher than i had intended |
| [23:16:14] | sphery: | I rm -r'ed my entire file server's data about a year and a half ago |
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| [23:16:28] | Wicked: | sphery, i dont see any easy way to upgrade qt |
| [23:16:35] | sphery: | hmmm.... |
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| [23:16:56] | sphery: | I really need someone who's affected by the 7%/14% bug to test with 0.22-fixes and Qt 4.6.1.... |
| [23:16:57] | Wicked: | libqt-dev != python-qt right? |
| [23:17:06] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:17:19] | wagnerrp: | pyqt is a completely independent package (i believe project) |
| [23:17:28] | Wicked: | yea |
| [23:17:33] | wagnerrp: | although im not sure what you would be needing pyqt for, nothing mythtv uses it |
| [23:17:33] | Wicked: | what i thought too |
| [23:17:49] | Wicked: | well i say a python-qt4.6 |
| [23:17:52] | sphery: | wish superm1 or mrand were here |
| [23:17:58] | Wicked: | but no regular qt46 |
| [23:18:08] | sphery: | any *buntu users who would know how to upgrade Qt to 4.6.1? |
| [23:18:30] | wagnerrp: | their channel has been quiet all afternoon |
| [23:18:44] | sphery: | Wicked: we have a hack in current trunk that basically tries to replace the QTimer from Qt, but on some systems (mine), it causes CPU usage to go from 0% to 10–50% |
| [23:18:56] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:18:58] | wagnerrp: | anyone know what 'rm' will do when it hits a new mount? |
| [23:19:08] | sphery: | I've never tried... |
| [23:19:18] | sphery: | intersting question, though |
| [23:19:20] | Wicked: | i assume keep going |
| [23:19:58] | sphery: | my guess would be that it will likely fail when trying to delete the root of that filesystem after deleting all its contents |
| [23:21:32] | sphery: | Wicked: so, anyway, I'm trying to get someone who's affected by the 7%/14% bug (which, seems to be just *buntu users) to test with Qt 4.6.1 (as Qt devs said they fixed the bug in 4.6.x) |
| [23:22:01] | sphery: | I hate that we have a hack to replace code the framework should provide |
| [23:22:34] | Wicked: | ah. well. ill try to look into upgrading qt this weekend....but if its gonna be a major thing...id really prefer not to muck up my main computer. |
| [23:22:35] | sphery: | basically: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/421375#421375 |
| [23:22:49] | Wicked: | if its something easy im all about helping out |
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| [23:23:48] | Wicked: | what about the mythbuntu guys? has anyone contacted them to see if they can?....just an idea :) |
| [23:24:17] | sphery: | I just asked them |
| [23:24:28] | sphery: | one of them promised to test, but seems not to have made time |
| [23:24:37] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:24:48] | sphery: | I just asked him how hard it would be for you to upgrade and figure he may come in and help if it's not too bad |
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| [23:25:59] | Wicked: | im confident in my skills to install things. i just dont want to install it if its gonna affect lots of other things |
| [23:26:36] | Wicked: | i cant have my main computer(which also runs mythtv) get messed up. :) |
| [23:26:47] | sphery: | sounds like it would be a lot easier to test if you were running Lucid (10.04)... |
| [23:26:51] | sphery: | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11 |
| [23:27:00] | Wicked: | i was wondering that myself. |
| [23:27:05] | User4360: | @ sphery i reinstall the themes, and no it worked :-) thank you ! |
| [23:27:06] | Wicked: | if it would have a newer qt |
| [23:27:14] | sphery: | User4360: great... enjoy |
| [23:27:33] | Wicked: | though 10.04 doesnt drop until april iirc |
| [23:28:19] | ** sphery hopes he shows up to help ** | |
| [23:28:22] | sphery: | he knows the details |
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| [23:29:01] | sphery: | looks like they still have 0.22-fixes on Lucid, though--so that's a good sign ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv ) |
| [23:29:25] | Wicked: | indeed |
| [23:29:32] | superm1: | the plan if mythtv upstream FF's in time for the lucid FF, then we'll switch to trunk |
| [23:31:03] | superm1: | Wicked, so depending on the graphics card, it's entirely possible to test 10.04 off a live disk (if you dont need closed source drivers) |
| [23:31:08] | sphery: | cool... I'm more interested in whether a version of Myth without the QTimer workaround was available now |
| [23:31:13] | sphery: | and it seems it is |
| [23:31:18] | superm1: | ah right |
| [23:31:36] | superm1: | actually it's even easier; there are builds at mythbuntu.org/auto-builds of both -fixes and -trunk for lucid |
| [23:31:49] | superm1: | so you can activate the repo and switch swiftly between them without even needing to rebuild |
| [23:31:49] | sphery: | that would be great... and it should work fine since both would be 0.22-fixes |
| [23:32:12] | sphery: | Wicked: which video card? |
| [23:32:19] | Wicked: | gtx260 |
| [23:32:35] | superm1: | ah nvidia; so testing off the live disk is out |
| [23:32:44] | sphery: | the nv drivers won't work? |
| [23:32:58] | superm1: | well you'll run out of tmpfs likely before you have all of this stuff installed |
| [23:33:00] | sphery: | we really just need to test the main menu and watch recordings |
| [23:33:14] | sphery: | no playback test required |
| [23:33:24] | superm1: | does the opengl theme painter need to be working then? |
| [23:33:31] | sphery: | that I"m not sure... |
| [23:33:51] | superm1: | if this is reproducible with Qt, then yes the open source drivers can be used for a test |
| [23:33:51] | sphery: | Wicked: wanna start mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt and see if you get the same 7%/14% usage? |
| [23:34:06] | sphery: | I think it's the same whether Qt or OpenGL |
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| [23:34:21] | sphery: | since the bug is in the QTimer class and not myth |
| [23:34:40] | sphery: | and we do the same 70Hz timer with both painters |
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| [23:35:51] | sphery: | Wicked: the big downside is that if this actually works and it fixes the CPU usage (which changes timing sufficiently to prevent the Please Wait... from getting stuck), it won't really be a useful fix for you until someone builds Qt 4.6.1 for 9.10 |
| [23:36:18] | sphery: | but it would still be a very useful data point for us |
| [23:36:38] | ** sphery curses his system that isn't affected by the Qt bug ** | |
| [23:36:48] | sphery: | it would be so much easier to test if I could reproduce it :) |
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| [23:51:08] | Wicked: | sphery, seems to be the same. |
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| [23:51:33] | Wicked: | sphery, im about to head our for dinner. i can try to help out more tomorrow or sunday :) |
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| [23:53:51] | sphery: | Wicked: so on the same Qt 4.5.x system with ThemePainter set to qt, it was still 7%/14% usage? If so, that means that testing with a USB key with Lucid would work. |
| [23:53:59] | sphery: | Wicked: and thanks for the testing so far |
| [23:54:09] | sphery: | superm1: thanks a lot for your help, too |
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