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Saturday, January 23rd, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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[R]:

sounds like your broadcaster is going beyond the time they said they would

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gizmobay:

I thought it could be the show stops recording at say 9PM and myth lags a bit behind the live show

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gizmobay:

so you'd lose a few seconds

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gbee:

gizmobay: use soft (global) padding not per schedule hard padding

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gizmobay:

which menu is this under?

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gbee:

if there isn't a very detailed explanation of this in the wiki, let alone the docs I'll eat my hat

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Dagmar:

There is

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gbee:

that's a relief

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dustybin:

gbee: is your myth box a combo ?

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gbee:

huh?

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dustybin:

frontend / backend combo

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gbee:

no, huh, where did that question come from?

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dustybin:

just wondered

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dustybin:

maybe im the only guy here running frontend / backend on same box

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gbee:

I have two combo boxes, but a couple of frontends too

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dustybin:

oh

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Tanthrix:

dustybin: I've been running a combo and 1 separate front end for about 4 years now.

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dustybin:

mega :D

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gbee:

1 dev, 1 production

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dustybin:

right i see

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Tanthrix:

Actually, now I'm curious just how long I have been running mythtv.

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dustybin:

i started with .20

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kormoc:

Tanthrix: so go to the stats page in mythweb?

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gizmobay:

Can't find it on the wiki, searched using padding

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gbee:

0.16 iirc

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: No need. Session Start: Thu Aug 25 12:55:02 2005 <--First time I joined mythtv-users according to my logs

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dustybin:

i mean, what other pvr can turn my lights on and off and show whos calling me on a osd

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Tanthrix:

And the very first thing I said: [13:00] <Tanthrix> anyone know if there is a decent list of btaudio compatible cards out there?

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Dagmar:

yuuuck

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gbee:

let me guess, that was followed by laughter and derision?

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, those were the days.

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Tanthrix:

Not a whole lot, just advice to get a PVR-150, which I did.

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Tanthrix:

Give me a break, I had only known about myth and linux tuner cards for about 20 min probably ;)

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gizmobay:

okay found it in the setup. Thanks

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dustybin:

i like the way my setup has some kind of communication between applications, like asterisk & mythtv, mytthv & zoneminder

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dustybin:

mythtv & x10

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Tanthrix:

Topic is '.:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.18.1

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Tanthrix:

We should totally be at 1.00 by now. ;)

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** Tanthrix thinks by the time Myth reaches 1.00 the scheduler will be replaced with an omnipotent AI which knows what shows you want to watch before you even know about them **

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Tanthrix:

Omnicsient, rather. If it were omnipotent, it would probably have better things to do than schedule TV shows...

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gbee:

by that time no-one will ever remember what 'television' was

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antgel:

it will be a myth

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dustybin:

i need to make a bit more use of mythtvosd, maybe email alerts

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dustybin:

disk full warnings

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gbee:

as I'm watching another action film, I can't help wondering why all fights/gun battles occur in one of three locations in all movies 1) abandoned buildings, maybe an old warehouse, apartment block, factory or building site 2) The street, usually one with coffee shops/restaurants and outdoor seating 3) The large kitchen of a hotel or restaurant

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gbee:

I think I've seen more restaurant/hotel kitchens in the movies than most Chefs see in their entire careers

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dustybin:

mythtvosd --template=alert --alert_text='....this is mega :D'

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Dagmar:

When you have a shootout in a shopping mall, the plot and casting gets very complex, very fast.

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dustybin:

wow interesting

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dustybin:

http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1 . . . 424c3d31fbdb

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gbee:

places you are very unlikely to see fights/gun battles (even if characters are seen running through them at some point) 1) Supermarkets, department stores, shopping centres (malls) 2) Suburban streets 3) Parks, Recreation grounds, Ornamental gardens

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dustybin:

a xbox can display msn messages, i wonder if i can craft a bitlbee script what shows a message on mythtvosd :D

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highzeth:

http://cam.dellwo.com hands down the coolest live cam Ive seen to date. Hummingbird nest, 2 just hatched as far as I could tell.

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gbee:

highzeth: very cool

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** gbee was just doing some wildlife photography of his own **

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highzeth:

=)

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dustybin:

i have a great idea, monit can execute scripts, monit + mythtvosd :D

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mrand:

Is *all* analog scanning disabled in 0.22, or just digital? (this is regarding a question that *many* users are having with scanning PVR-150)

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kormoc:

There's digital analog scanning?

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mrand:

hahaha

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** mrand is now trying to figure out what he was thinking... **

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you might know this off hand... when you delete recordings, do you have to manually do anything to the database?

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wagnerrp:

i looked through mythweb, but couldnt find anything except the backend call

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: aye the backend call is enough

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wagnerrp:

however when i run the same backend call, i get orphaned entries in recordedcredits, and recordedprogram

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

Did you wait overnight?

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wagnerrp:

looking through the backend code, theres nothing in the delete function to clean those tables up

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wagnerrp:

thats what im wondering... if theres something that runs occasionally and reaps those tables

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mrand:

Somehow I was thinking QAM scanning was what was disabled, but upon reflection, I see how silly that is. short story is that analog channel scanning doesn't work in 0.22. So moving on to part two of the question: is it back in 0.23? I'm sorry to say I haven't been able to keep up with commits lately.

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kormoc:

I'm fairly certain that the nightly 'record once' rule cleaner does all that jazz

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: theres your answer

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Thanks seems a little odd that there would be that much delay.

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newbie005:

Hi, I can't seem to get my backend working, it starts ok but fails to stop, also the front end cannot connect to it. Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

fails to stop? the backend is never supposed to stop running

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: I'm just trying to get it working at all at this point

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wagnerrp:

i mean i dont understand how 'failing to stop' is an error, or how that could even happen

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wagnerrp:

you just issue a TERM and mythbackend stops

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: if I "service mythbackend stop" I get an error message [FAILED]

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wagnerrp:

well thats something your distro claims

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wagnerrp:

and may or may not have anything to do with reality

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: I think it's a permission with a file

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newbie005:

well on the other hand, ps aux does report the service existing, but the frontend cannot communicate to mysql, I get an error suggesting to check the IP address

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wagnerrp:

is mysql running?

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: yes

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newbie005:

I created a database user called mythtv that I can login as from the command line

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wagnerrp:

and you have created a database for mythtv, and set up permissions?

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newbie005:

yes, created the database,, and gave the mysql database user full permissions to it (GRANT ALL)

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newbie005:

also flushed privledges

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newbie005:

is there a log I can tail? I did try tailing the mythbackend log and the mysql log receiving no error messages

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newbie005:

no messages at all

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newbie005:

I say permission with a file, because in the startup script I see a line like this: rm -f /var/lock/subsys/$prog /var/run/$prog.pid ...

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wagnerrp:

those are both things that only your distro cares about

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not touch either of those

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newbie005:

that makes since, the process does start and stop

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newbie005:

so ignoring that, my problem is that the frontend returns an error messaage about not being able to reach the mysql database (all of this is on the same box)

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wagnerrp:

are you running mythbackend and mythfrontend as different users?

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newbie005:

*(I should say the process does get created and get destroyed)

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wagnerrp:

ideally, both them and mythtv-setup get run as the same user

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newbie005:

umm.. perhaps not.. hmm

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wagnerrp:

they dont have to be, but then you have to know what youre doing

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newbie005:

should they all be mythtv, or just the same user

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newbie005:

I might have done some of it as root and some as my own account

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wagnerrp:

i.e. making sure the user has read access to the recordings (or otherwise have them pushed through the backend) and have a proper ~/.mythtv/config.xml to connect to the database

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is running right now?

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newbie005:

yes

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wagnerrp:

as what user?

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newbie005:

it's running as root,

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wagnerrp:

then mythtv-setup should always be run as root

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newbie005:

I'll try it..

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wagnerrp:

and mythfrontend should run as your own user

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wagnerrp:

but copy /root/.mythtv/config.xml to ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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newbie005:

yes it's all root, however it seems the backend process no longer exists now

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newbie005:

yes I believe the problem is that the backend dies shortly after starting

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newbie005:

maybe also complicated by running things as different users

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newbie005:

there is another file /etc/mythtv/config.xml this is not populated,, I think you were right about the distro

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wagnerrp:

that file should not be in use

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wagnerrp:

if that file is being used, your distro is playing games with the environment

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newbie005:

there was a message in it "#this file should be overwritten by mythtvsetup"

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: yeah I think that is the case,, and it's probablly not their fault either, I got in the middle somehow

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: your inital thought was correct

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newbie005:

I'm running now

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newbie005:

it's Fedora 12 btw

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Josh``:

I can't get good recordings our of my HDHomerun – they keep erroring and livetv playback always eventually fails with "irrecoverable recorder error" and "frame buffering failed too many times"

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high-rez:

Got netvision working. Pretty cool.

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Josh``:

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justinp_home:

Evening, folks – anybody ever seen an nvidia graphics card *not* support 16:10 format resolutions?

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elmojo:

justinp_home: never seen one.. what's going on?

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justinp_home:

Well, just picked up an Acer X223w 22" 16:10 monitor for my frontend

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justinp_home:

Have it hooked up to the frontend via VGA cable, and cannot for the live of me get it to work in its native resolution of 1680x1050

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justinp_home:

or any 16:10 resolution, for that matter

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justinp_home:

I don't think it's the video card, though – I found it in a few laptops with 16:10 screens, so it must support 16:10 output

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elmojo:

what rez are you seeing?

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justinp_home:

Only res I've gotten working is 1280x1024

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elmojo:

sounds like maybe an EDID problem

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justinp_home:

That's my thought too

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justinp_home:

is there a way to manually specify EDID?

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justinp_home:

VGA doesn't pass EDID, so manual would be my only option

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elmojo:

the nvidia-settings utility allows you to save the EDID for a monitor

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elmojo:

so if you can find a setup with a working 1680x1050 display then you could save the EDID using nvidia-settings

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elmojo:

and override on the system that's not working in the xorg.conf file

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elmojo:

have you tried the DVI/HDMI port?

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elmojo:

if it has a proper EDID you can download it and then force it to work on the VGA port

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elmojo:

gotta run... good luck

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justinp_home:

thanks, elmojo

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elmojo:

actually there is an EDID post today on the mythtv-users mailing list which mentions the EDID override

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Tanthrix:

justinp_home: Why aren't you using DVI? No free port?

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waterfoul:

what does DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Can not measure S/N

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waterfoul:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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waterfoul:

mean

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[R]:

what kind of card do you have?

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waterfoul:

1 sec

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waterfoul:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800

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waterfoul:

i just found some kernel errors during the scan so i will go to #dvb

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waterfoul:

or not

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waterfoul:

i get "kernel: s5h1409_readreg: readreg error (ret == -5)" and "kernel: s5h1409_writereg: error (reg == 0xf5, val == 0x0000, ret == -5)" with the reg and val #'s changing in /var/log/messages during the scan.....

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tgm4883:

I'm using MythTV 0.22 (mythweb 0.22.0+fixes23193). When trying to access the RSS feed on the recordings page, it takes me to the URL http://ares/mythweb/rss/mythweb/tv/recorded I think this is because that link is generated using <a href="rss'.$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'].'">

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[R]:

waterfoul: yeah... that doesn't sound too good

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waterfoul:

well, it's a problem with myth

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[R]:

sounds like a problem with the driver

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waterfoul:

I went and got wscan and it is finding all kinds of channels

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waterfoul:

oh wait nvm

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waterfoul:

same errors in /var/log/messages

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[R]:

tgm4883: huh?

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Dagmar:

Hence, it is a driver problem.

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waterfoul:

yep

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tgm4883:

[R], on the recorded page in mythweb, the rss link is incorrect. I think this is due to using $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] i recorded.php

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[R]:

tgm4883: so file a bug report

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tgm4883:

ok I will. I just wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing this or if it was something particular to my setup

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tgm4883:

it's actually very similar to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7592

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tgm4883:

which is for ical

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mrand:

tgm4883: I suppose you could try the patch attached to that bug?

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mrand:

(modified, of course)

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tgm4883:

mrand, yea i'm modifying it right now

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waterfoul:

well i rebooted and it magically started working

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Tanthrix:

Anyone have a Ubuntu mythbackend init script handy?

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superm1:

that depends on the release

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superm1:

karmic and later use upstart

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superm1:

in either case you can grab the one from packaging at code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-fixes

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superm1:

you want debian/mythtv-backend.upstart for karmic+ and debian/mythtv-backend.init for jaunty and earlier

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Tanthrix:

Great, thanks.

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Tanthrix:

superm1: Hrm, so where do I put it?

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Tanthrix:

superm1: For karmic / upstart, that is.

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superm1:

Tanthrix, /etc/init

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superm1:

Tanthrix, why not just use the packages though? it will get it right...

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unixSnob:

Suppose an STB does not support teletext. Does the VBI still get passed on to the capture card, so that the teletext can be extracted?

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Tanthrix:

superm1: I like to compile myth myself, and I've already got it setup that way

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Tanthrix:

superm1: This doesn't seem to be working so well:

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Tanthrix:

root@ragnarok:/# /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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superm1:

i didn't say init.d

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superm1:

i said /etc/init

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Tanthrix:

Oh, heh.

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superm1:

normally there are compatibility shims that get installed to make /etc/init.d/ stuff work too when a package installs an upstart job

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superm1:

you might want to examine a mythtv-backend deb to see exactly what they are supposed to look like if you would want that on your system

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Tanthrix:

So, got it it in the proper home now, but is there a special way to start it?

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superm1:

start mythtv-backend

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superm1:

status mythtv-backend

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superm1:

stop mythtv-backend

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Tanthrix:

How do I control what user it runs as?

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Tanthrix:

Do I replace $USER with the user I want in the script, or is there a more clever way of achieving that?

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superm1:

modify either that script or /etc/default/mythtv-backend

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superm1:

but yeah, it's that USER variable

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superm1:

by default it runs as the mythtv user

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superm1:

there are some improvements coming to the way it works w/ 0.23 after some patches get accepted upstream

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Tanthrix:

Now I'm starting to wonder if I ought to uninstall myth and just install the package...might make life easier in the future.

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Tanthrix:

It's working great now though, thanks for the help.

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superm1:

the packages are there mostly to make people's lives easier, not many evil purposes :)

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superm1:

if you do decide to switch to the packages, given you compile yourself, you're probably accustomed to running recent -fixes builds, so those are provided at mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I know, I've just always felt like I get some magical benefits from compiling "big" things myself ;)

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Tanthrix:

Cool, thanks for the info.

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Tanthrix:

I think what I'll do is get everything working perfectly, image the drive, then attempt to switch over to the packages. I need to do the same for the nvidia driver too, since I've already experienced my first need to reinstall after the ubuntu updates hosed that.

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superm1:

the auto-builds repo has the 190 driver too

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Tanthrix:

Nifty.

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oobe:

superm1, how can i find out what patches mythbuntu auto builds use's

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oobe:

nice work iamlindoro http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . on/ChangeLog

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, why did my PVR-150 magically change from /dev/video0 to /dev/video1

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jduggan:

did you add another video device?

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Tanthrix:

No, just rebooted.

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Tanthrix:

I seem to recall hearing about this issue a few years ago

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jduggan:

well you can use udev to force the device name

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jduggan:

its probably a udev issue

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jduggan:

read this if you havent already; http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Device_Filenames_and_udev

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Tanthrix:

Rebooted, went back to 0. Weird

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Tanthrix:

I'll have a look in the morning, thanks.

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oobe:

tvdb is down again doh

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unixSnob:

what's the difference between "cable" service, and "terrestrial" service?

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TauPan:

Hm, I wonder if mythtv is able to view dvb-i (via german t-home)... I just gave a local m3u in the "freebox" entry, but scanning for channels fails with "IPTVChanFetch, Error: Invalid header in channel list line

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TauPan:

EXTINF:0,Das Erste"

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TauPan:

and mythtv-setup hangs

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FR^2:

unixSnob: I don't understand your question – if you're talking about digitial video, have a look at the wikipedia pages dvb-c, dvb-t etc. ;)

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stuartm:

unixSnob: at the most basic, different frequencies and transmission methods, different bandwith and multiplex size, assuming it uses DVB then there are large parts of the streams are compatible, if not identical with a digital Terrestrial broadcast

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stuartm:

cable is more likely to be encrypted and because it's a closed system, cable broadcasters tend to deviate from the standard DVD specification, so they can cause problems for applications like MythTV

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stuartm:

DVB

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TauPan:

ah http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /192529.html

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dustybin:

i am so close to achieving something ace

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dustybin:

i am using monit to try and send a message to mythtvosd when something happens

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dustybin:

check directory test with path /root/test if failed permission 777 then "exec /usr/local/bin/mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text=$EVENT"

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dustybin:

i cannot get mythtvosd to display the $EVENT variable, mythtvosd just scrolls $EVENT as a word, what am i doing wrong?

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dustybin:

i would like mythvosd to display: $EVENT $SERVICE $ACTION but im unsure how to put it in a script

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FR^2:

TauPan: So t-home doesn't use drm?

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TauPan:

FR^2: it does, but there are some free programs, supported by the government

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FR^2:

oh? Interesting to know.

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TauPan:

and they don't use drm... everybody with a fast internet connection with rtp multicast can receive them for free

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FR^2:

TauPan: I'm only using maxdome from time to time.... drm required

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TauPan:

since you're german: http://www.ard-digital.de/Empfang--Technik/IP . . . are-Download

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TauPan:

works nicely with vlc, but I'm just trying to get it to work with mythtv as well

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TauPan:

(and it's much better than dvb-t in my area)

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TauPan:

for some reason I get a channel list in mythtv, but the channel names are all blue and I can't "tune" to them

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FR^2:

TauPan: Baden-Württemberg, DVB-T is also very poor ;)

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TauPan:

ah, the import from the m3u file has mutilated the channel setting

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TauPan:

ah, got it working

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TauPan:

I tried a file:/// url for the m3u, apparently it's important that it's rtp, so I put it on a local webserver

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unixSnob:

FR^2 / stuartm: ah, so terrestrial is essentially what I would get over rabbit ears? That makes sense.

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unixSnob:

mc2xml offers feeds for SAT, TERrestrial, and CABle.. I wasn't sure what I needed to specify

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stuartm:

via ground based transmitters + radio waves, whereas Cable is via underground/overground cables, and satellite via space based radio transmitters

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FR^2:

unixSnob: Yes, and since the (sorry for my bad english) "spreading" of the signal is quite different in terrestrial transmission, dvb-t has those differences stuartm mentioned

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TauPan:

FR^2: do you have T-Home (just the net connection, not the "Entertain" package)?

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FR^2:

No, I'm customer of the "blue wonder" ;)

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TauPan:

eh?

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high-rez:

Been seeing this a lot lately: 2010-01–23 08:17:02.210 playCtx, Error: Attempting to setup a player, but it already exists.

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high-rez:

When I go to watch tv, have to restart the frontend

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FR^2:

TauPan: 1&1

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TauPan:

ah

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TauPan:

now the remaining question is where I get epg data for the additional programs... *ponder*

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Bartron:

hi people

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Bartron:

i get compilation errors

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Bartron:

NVCtrl.c:937: error: expected '{' at end of input

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Bartron:

/usr/include/X11/extensions/extutil.h:137

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Bartron:

all errors

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Bartron:

NVCtrl is from Nvidia?

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FR^2:

Bartron: Seems so: On my system, the file /usr/include/NVCtrl/NVCtrl.h is from nvidia-settings. (I don't have a file named NVCtrl.c...)

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Bartron:

hm ok

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unixSnob:

After downloading a feed of *unmapped* channels, all of which have arbitrary channel numbers, how do you map them properly? is there a guide for this?

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Josh``:

unixSnob, usually if you download a channel list from SD, they are mapped according to the lineup you specified on SD

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Josh``:

The only time in my experience I've had to deal with unmapped channels is after doing a channel scan.

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unixSnob:

Josh``: there are 4 cable operators in my city, and most of the channels overlap. So it seems to make sense that there would only be one feed with everything

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unixSnob:

the trouble is, the channel numbers are all wrong

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Josh``:

unixSnob, no, it seems to make sense that there would be at least 5 lineups available for your zip code on schedules direct. at least one for each cable operator plus one for broadcast. Make sure your schedulesdirect is set up properly.

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Josh``:

For my zip code on SD, there are 19 different lineups, each following a different cable/sat provider plus broadcast.

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unixSnob:

sounds like a lot of duplication

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Josh``:

mabye for them. I just pick the one that matches what I've got on my wire.

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dustybin:

if i execute this:

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dustybin:

/usr/local/bin/mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="permission test failed for root test — current permission is 0500

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dustybin:

the osd fades too fast

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dustybin:

how can i slow the fade down, there are no settings in osd.xml

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jafa:

HDHomeRun firmware – if you are seeing a problem please let me know

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dustybin:

I FOUND IT!!!!!!!! UDP TIMEOUT :D

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dustybin:

i have found something _seriously_ mega :D

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superm1:

oobe, that exact url i gave you

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superm1:

oobe, debian/patches

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superm1:

or that i gave to that other person i mean

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oobe:

must of been a while ago

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

where do i find debian/patches

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oobe:

i have an old trunk bzr archive

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oobe:

but i dont use debian based distro anymore

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oobe:

so im not sure how to access it

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oobe:

i would mind scrolling through the patches though incase there is somthing cool i can use

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superm1:

oobe, http://mythbuntu.org/cheatsheet

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unixSnob:

does mythweb give access to any config options not available in the frontend or backend setups?

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superm1:

so if you go there, you can fetch the source and patches for anything myth based used in ubuntu

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oobe:

nice thanks

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oobe:

unixSnob, not that im aware of unless you count mythweb configurations themselves

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oobe:

IMHO alot of configurations are more easily accessable in mythweb though

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dustybin:

IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dustybin:

monit + mythtvosd kicks ass

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dustybin:

just add this line

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dustybin:

/usr/local/bin/mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="Host: $MONIT_HOST Service: $MONIT_SERVICE Description: $MONIT_DESCRIPTION"

[17:49:43]

dustybin:

you can monitor any service, if there is a problem, a nice scrolly message appears on mythtv

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: check that out ^^

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oobe:

dustybin, what did you just do

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oobe:

sounds exciting

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oobe:

like what service do you want to monitor

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dustybin:

oobe: im using a application called monit, it can monit services runnning on your box

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oobe:

is there a example of a useful application

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Status_Monitoring_How_To

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dustybin:

oobe: you can monitor the backend, your recordings directory, any service like postfix, apache. mysql etc

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oobe:

oh when somthing crashes you can now display it using mythosd

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oobe:

that is handy

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dustybin:

oobe: there are lots of rules, if a service stops, if a dir is getting too full, if cpu is too high, etc

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oobe:

do you want your viewing interupted for all events though

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oobe:

i spose you would configure for critical only

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dustybin:

oobe: a scrolly message isnt interupting anything

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Josh``:

I can't get good recordings our of my HDHomerun – they keep erroring and livetv playback always eventually fails with "irrecoverable recorder error" and "frame buffering failed too many times"

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oobe:

it just scrolls at the bottom of the screen ?

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dustybin:

yes

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oobe:

ok then sounds cool

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tgm4883:

Is it expected that mythweb will always be accessible from http://backend/mythweb or are there going to be installs with it just at http://backend/ that need to be accounted for

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tgm4883:

When writing patches I mean

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stuartm:

tgm4883: could be anywhere, at any address

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stuartm:

some people put it on a dedicated webserver with it's own domain!

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stuartm:

personally I don't bother with /mythweb, it's at /

[18:08:17]

tgm4883:

stuartm, hmm, hadn't thought about that, thanks

[18:08:26]

tgm4883:

stuartm, I think that is the main point here

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tgm4883:

just the /

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tgm4883:

vs /mythweb

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tgm4883:

and if this patch that was written will work with that

[18:09:10]

tgm4883:

I don't suppose you have a second to look at it

[18:09:14]

tgm4883:

it's a single line change

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tgm4883:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7948

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stuartm:

mythweb isn't really my domain, I wouldn't know if the fix was correct, kormoc or xris would

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tgm4883:

ok, thanks

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tgm4883:

if it does end up working out, a similar fix could be used for http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7592

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oobe:

i didnt even know mythweb had rss

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tgm4883:

oobe, yep for recorded stuff

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oobe:

nice

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tgm4883:

it also has ical for upcoming recordings, but has the same issue

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oobe:

i guess this must be what you made the patch for

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oobe:

at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/unknown_module.php, line 23:

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oobe:

require(modules/_shared/tmpl/rss/header.php)

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tgm4883:

oobe, yea, if you look at the URL you are at, you should have two mythwebs in there, remove the second one

[18:18:25]

tgm4883:

and foxbuntu made the patch, not me

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tgm4883:

I just hunted it down

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

thats actually kinda handy

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dustybin:

oobe: this is a monit rule:

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dustybin:

check device mythtv with path /dev/sda1 if space usage > 90% then exec "/etc/monit/alert" if space usage > 90% then alert

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Dagmar:

foxbuntu?

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oobe:

nice

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oobe:

dustybin, you should make a wiki page on mythtvosd

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stuartm:

Dagmar: the Firefox and Ubuntu answer to Google's Chrome OS?

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oobe:

im hoping chrome OS create hundreds of thousands more linux users

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Dagmar:

Looks like it's the name of a user

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oobe:

like heaps of ppl that dont even know chrome OS is linux

[18:39:05]

Dagmar:

...and that patch doesn't do what it's supposed to, or at least I don't see how it could possibly be doing it

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Dagmar:

Lemme make sure I have the arguments to str_replace correct

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tgm4883:

Dagmar, yea a user in another channel

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Dagmar:

Yeah it can't be doing that

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tgm4883:

Dagmar, seems to work here on systems with a /mythweb dir

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Dagmar:

Something else is happening as a side-effect then

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** tgm4883 doesn't know PHP **

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Dagmar:

You *do* see that it only replaces "tv" with "rss/tv", right?

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oobe:

hmm i havent thought about google OS in a while i didnt know this http://blogs.todayonline.com/techtalk/2010/01 . . . ly%E2%80%A6/

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tgm4883:

thats what I thought it did

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tgm4883:

but then it worked so I was like WTF

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Dagmar:

tgm4883: Yeah so it can't be fixing the problem mentioned by the bug report

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Dagmar:

oobe: Yes, written by the usual RMS wannabe

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tgm4883:

odd side effect then

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Dagmar:

For example: "If that.s already the case, I don.t see why users have to fork out extra money to buy a new Chrome OS-optimised netbook just to get a few seconds shaved off for the boot-up time. Unless, of course, like TechCrunch.s Michael Arrington reported, Google decides to release its own .Google Netbook.."

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Dagmar:

That's just jackassery

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Dagmar:

Translation: "I want feature x my hardware didn't ship with, and I think since those people get it with their hardware, I should get it free"

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tgm4883:

hmm, on a side note, it appears that the rss does like & in titles either

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Dagmar:

str_replace('&','&'... in there somewhere, but more importantly I *know* there's a PHP function to sanitized text of entities

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[R]:

htmlentities

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[R]:

i think tahts the name of the function

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Dibblah:

I really don't understand this insistence that boot time is _remotely_ important.

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Dibblah:

If suspend works, force people to use that. If it doesn't, then bloody well fix suspend.

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Dagmar:

It's part and parcel of the same form of insanity that makes someone think they're entitled to free everything when someone's giving something away to _some_ people

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stuartm:

or just don't reboot

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Dagmar:

...an the same form of insanity that makes about 40% of early-adopters always be illiterate noobs.

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Dagmar:

I suspect the last thing Google needs is about a jillion retards filing screwball bug reports on how Chrome won't run on their ancient Wombatronic 6800 laptop

[18:49:36]

Dagmar:

Like, take the number of spurious bug reports Myth gets from people trying to run it on thoroughly incorrect hardware, and multiply it by the population of the internet

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stuartm:

oobe: it's linux in the sense that a TV or STB is linux, it's a locked down environment that no linux user would recognise

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Dagmar:

Maybe you don't want to just burn out all your developers with four million bug reports on every platform imagingable when you're still trying to smack the bugs out of just the "known hardware" set

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Dagmar:

oobe: I've been at this for like 20 years now, and I'm pretty sure that when I get around to it I'll be calling it "hard to deal with"

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Dagmar:

I can *build* a tin, turnkey environment for a given set of slightly rinky-dinky hardware just fine, but unraveling one someone else made in order to modify it is generally another step above that

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Dagmar:

s/tin/tiny/;

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unixSnob:

chrome is still a piece of garbage.. not ready for prime time

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Dagmar:

You say this based on what hands-on experience?

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unixSnob:

it's half baked.. i'm not surprized if there's a lot of bug reports

[18:53:19]

unixSnob:

running it on an amd64 kernel

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: You didn't get anything from Sparkfun free day either, huh? :)

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Dagmar:

SO you used your own kernel and not theirs?

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Dude I have a job and money. I don't need to worry about free day

[18:54:06]

Dagmar:

I kinda hold most of the people who probably swarmed the site that day in great contempt

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unixSnob:

internally, chrome runs windows crap, and i didn't stop it, if that's the question

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Dagmar:

I'm sure there were a lot of people who legitimately could stand to save some money

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Dagmar:

I'm also sure that they were probably the minority.

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Dibblah:

I swarmed to the site that day.

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Dibblah:

... I submitted a $240 order that day. After free day finished, admittedly, but...

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Dagmar:

I'm reasonably sure if you check eBay you'll find all sorts of small lots of stuff from SparkFun up there now

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Dagmar:

Those are the people I hold in contempt

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oobe:

swarmed the site when?

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oobe:

was there a big promotion or somthing?

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Dagmar:

oobe: SparkFun had a "free day" where up to $100 worth of stuff would be free

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Dibblah:

oobe: Sparkfun gave away $100,000

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Dagmar:

They put an upper limit of $100,000 dollars total on it.

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure that was gone in maybe two hours

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

me google SparkFun now

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unixSnob:

Dagmar: are you saying chrome is not intended to run on an amd64 linux kernel?

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Dagmar:

I was seeing mention of the thing showing up in too many places it probably shouldn't have...like sites eBay bandits hang out on

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Dagmar:

unixSnob: I'm saying that at the moment they have been aiming for a VERY MINIMAL number of configurations

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Dagmar:

This leading to design decisions that would pretty much ignore anything that wasn't those specific configurations, until they've reached a particular state of fitness on those configurations

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Dagmar:

Just like I wouldn't have expected OSX to run for crap on any old PC from the first day they had a release that would handle an "x86" CPU

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unixSnob:

Dagmar: in that case, certainly there's a problem with the install routine then... it probably should have rejected my amd64 kernel, if it's not supposed to run on it

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unixSnob:

it even went to the trouble of adding gnome menu icons

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Dagmar:

unixSnob: Another viewpoint would be that there's no need to check every little thing if it's being installed on only the chosen target hardware right now

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unixSnob:

Dagmar: a kernel is not esoteric

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Dagmar:

Like, for example, originally Dropline GNOME didn't check that it was being installed on specific versions of Slackware

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unixSnob:

Dagmar: a kernel would be a good thing to check, at a minimum

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Dagmar:

At least, until idiots started installing it on three year old versions of Vector, screwed up Gentoo machines, and god knows what other bizarre stuff and then reporting "IT R NOT WORKIN Y U FIX THIS NAO!"

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Dagmar:

unixsnob: The expectation is that you'll have the sense to not install it on things it wasn't designed to handle yet

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unixSnob:

Dagmar: users expect major dependancies like kernels to be part of the checks

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unixSnob:

and rightly so

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Dagmar:

users are morons.

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Dagmar:

And there is no sane reason to expect a kernel check

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unixSnob:

it's absolutely incompetent to not include a check for a kernel

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unixSnob:

the user should not have to be smarter than the developer

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Dibblah:

If it's running, there's a kernel under it.

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Dagmar:

Okay, I take that back. You're clueless.

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Dibblah:

So why on earth check?

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superm1:

kernel <-> userspace interfaces change over time

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unixSnob:

Dibblah: according to Dagmar, chrome is not supposed to work on amd64 kernels (yet it will install on one)

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** GreyFoxx cries as xfs_repair segfaults repairing a filesystem **

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Dibblah:

May have additional bugs on.

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: You ran out of RAM. Ha ha!

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unixSnob:

Dibblah: and it will try to run on an amd64 kernel, but performance is crap.. it's buggy

[19:05:20]

Dibblah:

unixSnob: Buggy? Pre-alpha software? Never!

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Dagmar:

You can probably install Yellow Dog packages on a 64-bit AMD, but that doesn't mean they're broken because they won't work there. It just means the person installing them is an ignorant jerk.

[19:05:53]

Dagmar:

Expecting it to work on "just anything" before even a single 1.0 release happens is also thick-headed.

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GreyFoxx:

I've tried 4 versions of xfsprogs, all segault, just in different spots. 2.8.4 makes it to phase 5 before dying with an error about an invalid pointer, and 3.x.x die in phase 2 reading the ag free list :/

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Size of volume?

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unixSnob:

Dibblah: like i said, it's half baked. Dagmar is saying it's ready for the masses

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GreyFoxx:

just under 3TV

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GreyFoxx:

err TB

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Dagmar:

An an illiterate one at that.

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Got 4Gb or so of RAM?

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Dibblah:

Check dmesg

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GreyFoxx:

dibbz: Nope

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Dagmar:

If you think I was somehow saying "it's ready for the masses" you're either illiterate, or about to go into my ignore list

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Dagmar:

Actually, screw it. Into the list you go.

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GreyFoxx:

dibbz: Just the standard xfs_repair[21976]: segfault at 2ec36100 ip 0807aba0 sp bf94f5f0 error 4 in xfs_repair[8048000+82000] type errors

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GreyFoxx:

nothing mentions ram

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unixSnob:

Dagmar: of course you were. I said it was half baked, and you objected, saying the kernel is not supported

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unixSnob:

either it's half baked, or it's not

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GreyFoxx:

and in the 3.x I told it to limit itself to 425M (only 1 gig on this box) but it still dyes

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GreyFoxx:

do you think it's likely lack of ram ?

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Nice! xfs_repair used to take about 4Gb of RAM on a 1.3Tb volume.

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Dibblah:

So it sounds like they've fixed that bug.

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GreyFoxx:

dibbz: there is a -m paremter in the 3.x series to limit ram usage

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unixSnob:

for the mere sake of soliciting meaningful bug reports, chrome should not allow itself to install on an unsupported kernel w/out so much as a warning.. it's just asking for problems

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GreyFoxx:

I'm also updating the kernel on the box and going to attempt again

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GreyFoxx:

and if it comes down to it I'll move the drives into my desktop and try there (more ram, different distro and so on)

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GreyFoxx:

If it comes down to it I'll run into work and borrow some ram until monday :)

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clever:

GreyFoxx: nice, i should need that -m

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clever:

ive got 1.5tb XFS filesystems on a box with only ~256mb ram

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GreyFoxx:

It's funny, the very that seems to get much further along is the one I can't limit the ram usage on :)

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, 3.x segfaults scanning the ag freelist, 2.8.x dies freeing the list later :)

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Dagmar:

Hmm.. The icons. Where do they come from? (no one say "the stork brings them" please)

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clever:

Dagmar: when a momy icon and a dady icon love eachother very much .....

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Dagmar:

clever: I say this because I think I need to prod the icon scanner a bit

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clever:

ah

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clever:

its somewhere in mythtv-setup i think

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Dagmar:

No, really?

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Dagmar:

Try and get it to give you the icon for Black Entertainment Television sometime

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Dagmar:

Or, for a giggle, open it up on a 16:9 screen

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FR^2:

Strange. If I scan my dvb-c adapter using dvbscan and use kaffeine or me-tv, I can watch TV without much glitches (i.e. without many stream errors). But when scanning in mythtv-setup, afterwards using mythbackend+mythfrontend, the number of stream errors is that high that I can't really watch using mythtv... Any hints?

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, that patch I submited for the rss link in mythweb works because $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] returns the full path to the current page i.e. http/example.org/some/path/inc would return some/path/inc so reguardless of where mythweb is installed /root_path/rss/tv/recorded is always correct

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Dagmar:

You're talkinbg about the patch attached to this ticket? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7948

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, now that I've had more caffiene in me I see I misread it

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Dagmar:

Damn I hate php

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Dagmar:

I'm quite aware of what REQUEST_URI contains

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[R]:

anyone here know about IR? i'm looking at the output of an IR receiver on an oscope and i see what looks like TWO pulses... does that seem normal?

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[R]:

by pulses i mean a set of on/off 1/0 sets

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Dagmar:

You need to look at the manual for your scope, man

[21:37:35]

Dagmar:

You should only see one trace

[21:37:46]

Dagmar:

Spin some knobs or something

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awalls:

[R]: yes that's normal

[21:38:40]

awalls:

especially for RC-5

[21:39:14]

[R]:

well it looks like the scitentific atlanta codes do that

[21:39:18]

[R]:

but the one for my usb reciever doesn't

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[R]:

so okay

[21:39:30]

Gumby:

my cable has ~60–70 channels (analog cable) and mythtv when scanning sits at 5% for ages without moving. Is this a common thing? I have just compiled the current 0.22 from svn

[21:39:56]

Dagmar:

Yes. Analog scanning doesn't work properly, and would be the slowest way to do it anyway.

[21:39:58]

awalls:

NEC protocol remotes have a specific repeat sequence that is much shorter, but still a different pulse set

[21:40:28]

Gumby:

Dagmar: so just download from SD then

[21:40:45]

Dagmar:

Just have it fetch the channels your cable company ships you from SchedulesDirect, yes

[21:40:57]

Dagmar:

It's faster and more reliable

[21:40:59]

[R]:

i really wish i had a real oscope

[21:41:15]

Dagmar:

[r]: I'd like to change my answer then

[21:41:32]

Dagmar:

...to "peel the lower half of the sticker off the "screen" on your osillyscope.

[21:41:40]

[R]:

Dagmar: lol

[21:41:47]

[R]:

Dagmar: i probably described it wrong... but awalls understood what i meant

[21:42:03]

Dagmar:

Okay. I thought you had hte thing in some kind of dual-trace mode at first

[21:42:20]

[R]:

no like i see on/off pulses and then a ms later or so, i see another set of on/off pulses

[21:42:37]

[R]:

actually its 100ms

[21:42:41]

awalls:

Hmmm. 1 ms is short

[21:42:48]

awalls:

Ah ok, that's better

[21:42:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah RC5 and several other protocols work more like the AT keyboard protocol than they do the morse code bullshit people are expecting

[21:42:58]

awalls:

RC-5 is about 114 ms IIRC

[21:43:11]

[R]:

i'm trying to write an ir decoder

[21:43:18]

awalls:

What protocol

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[R]:

no clue

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[R]:

:)

[21:43:47]

[R]:

i really just want to detect only 1 certain button

[21:43:47]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, yes thats the patch, I also did a similar patc today here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7592

[21:43:56]

awalls:

[R]: if you have an HVR-1850 or some other CX23888 based video card...

[21:44:01]

foxbuntu:

s/patc/patch

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awalls:

then the debug from the cx23885 driver can be used to show you the pulse measurements,

[21:44:33]

[R]:

no, none of those

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awalls:

provided the protocol is close enough to the existing settings.

[21:44:49]

[R]:

i have it on the oscope... i just need to measure it

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awalls:

Ok.

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[R]:

i lied

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[R]:

its 38ms

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awalls:

RC-5 baseband pulse width is around 888 usec or so IIRC

[21:45:43]

Dagmar:

HOLY LEANING TOOTHPICKS, BATMAN

[21:46:18]

awalls:

Dagmar: don't shake the table!

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, ?

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Dagmar:

preg_replace('/([\[\\\^\.\$\|\[\]\*\+\?\{\}\,\/\-])/', '\\\$1', root)

[21:46:39]

Dagmar:

Sweet jesus

[21:46:51]

Dagmar:

That right there is why people hate regexps

[21:47:08]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, no no, look at the second patch, I did a not crazy version

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, but +1 on the regexp part

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Dagmar:

Oh thank god

[21:48:08]

Dagmar:

I was just opening up some PHP docs going "There's GOT to be a function for this already written, as soon as I figure out WTF it's doin"

[21:48:56]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, yeah, its a little confusing looking at it at first

[21:49:23]

Dagmar:

A little. lol

[21:49:46]

Josh``:

I heard once that an analog TV antenna will function just as well as a "digital tv" antenna. Is there any truth to this?

[21:49:51]

Dagmar:

I'm going to assume that this is a case where a little syntax highlighting goes a long way

[21:50:10]

Dagmar:

Josh: It'll work as well as the average coat hanger

[21:50:16]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, yes, it makes a little more sense with the syntax highlighter

[21:50:25]

awalls:

Too bad, [R] missed me saying that the Sharp protocol sends a normal and then inverted pulse set about 40 ms apart

[21:50:41]

Dagmar:

There are people who actually _need_ roof-top aerials for decent analog signal tho. Those people will _need_ just as special an antenna for ATSC

[21:51:14]

foxbuntu:

Josh``, if you live within ~20KM of the broadcast signal it really wont matter, but if not you need the ATSC powered antenna

[21:51:39]

Josh``:

Dagmar, I'm talking about how all these retail stores are touting "HDTV antennas"

[21:51:42]

Dagmar:

If you were fine with some sketchy looking "rabbit ears" before, you'll probably still be fine

[21:51:58]

awalls:

UHF and VHF propagation and wave energy capture in a frequency band are the same no matter what information you modulate on the waves

[21:51:59]

Dagmar:

Josh: Yes, they tout them because it makes them sound fancy and complicated.

[21:52:02]

Josh``:

Assuming they're not amplified, are they really any different than rabbit ears?

[21:52:02]

Dagmar:

THey're not.

[21:52:36]

Dagmar:

Being that most "rabbit ears" are literally two wires stuck into two telescoping metal rods with nothing else going on inside?

[21:52:45]

Josh``:

awesome. *goes digging for some rabbit ears"

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Dagmar:

Some will have a choke on them.

[21:53:19]

awalls:

As one of the poor slobs on the fringe, I recommend a good directional antenna and a Winegard pre-amplifier

[21:53:26]

foxbuntu:

Josh``, your wire coat hanger, some tin foil, and batman is all you need

[21:53:31]

Dagmar:

I may be screwing up the verbiage here but passive signal amplification is mainly about two things, the first of which is all most cheap-ass rabbit ears care about

[21:53:40]

Dagmar:

The first being "listening harder to everything"

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Josh``:

AKA greater SNR ratio

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awalls:

Passive amplification?

[21:54:22]

Dagmar:

The second is about "ignoring that which we don't want to hear" which by side-effect makes the things we do want to hear easier to listen to

[21:54:34]

Dagmar:

No, the first part is just "greater signal"

[21:54:37]

awalls:

Oh directivity gain.

[21:54:50]

Dagmar:

You know the tech jargon better than I do

[21:54:54]

Dagmar:

I just know how to build them mostly

[21:55:17]

Dagmar:

...and this I learned from pirates in back alleys and empty warehouses

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Josh``:

I'm just trying to rule out shoddy QAM signal coming from my cableco.

[21:55:39]

Dagmar:

You know, the streets, where all good information comes from.

[21:55:39]

Dagmar:

;)

[21:55:41]

awalls:

A preamp close to the antenna helps minimize the overall receiver system noise figure

[21:55:56]

Dagmar:

Josh: dude you're not getting QAM over an antenna

[21:56:07]

Josh``:

Dagmar, I know. That's why I said cableco.

[21:56:13]

Dagmar:

awalls: Tta would be thing three which is pretty much never ever present in cheap-ass rabbit ears

[21:56:44]

Dagmar:

I've never seen a set of rabbit ears that looked painfully cheap that had an active amp in there

[21:57:08]

awalls:

Cheap ass rabbit ears near a modern TV will pick up a lot of noise.

[21:57:20]

Dagmar:

...but you can make the antenna listen harder and choke out the frequencies you don't want for the cost of some wire and careful measurements

[21:57:21]

awalls:

SNR goes into the toilet

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Josh``:

All I get over my cable line is OTA 'must carrys', so I'm gonna unplug my HDHR, stick it outside with some wire poking out of the F jack and see what I can pick up.

[21:57:55]

Dagmar:

Josh: That will probably be "nothing" unless it happens to know how to handle ATSC as well

[21:59:11]

Dagmar:

josh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw

[21:59:48]

Dagmar:

Yes, all that strange-ass back-and-forth is about trying to get the wires to only resonate with certain frequencies

[21:59:53]

Josh``:

Dagmar, ATSC(8-VSB) / ClearQAM (QAM64/256)

[22:00:04]

Josh``:

Hdhomerun – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005

[22:00:11]

Dagmar:

So watch that video and shred up some old coat-hangers

[22:00:16]

Josh``:

awesome, i'll check it out

[22:00:27]

awalls:

Josh: I will be amazed if cheap ass rabbit ears give you anything. Do you know which broadcasters send digitial over VHF in your area?

[22:00:41]

awalls:

OR do the rabbit ears have the silly little bow-tie too?

[22:00:45]

Josh``:

awalls, all of them?

[22:00:46]

awalls:

/OR/or/

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awalls:

Likely not.

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awalls:

dinnertime. bye

[22:01:21]

Dagmar:

Bonus points if you embed your antenna in the back of a Radiohead poster

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Josh``:

awalls, Correct, likely not. But enough to get me some useful data without buying an antenna.

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Dagmar:

Putting them inside a poster used to be standard for me

[22:02:18]

Dagmar:

Wires hanging directly on a wall look ugly

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Josh``:

Dagmar, VERY helpful link, thanks a bunch

[22:05:52]

Josh``:

*heads to radio shack*

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Dagmar:

ll

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Dagmar:

If you're heading to radio shack just buy an antenna

[22:07:05]

Dagmar:

...or at least look at what they've got in the way of passive antennas

[22:07:37]

Dagmar:

It might not be worth your time to drive over there and spend money on parts, and time putting them together

[22:07:54]

Dagmar:

Whenever you're that short on money it's lifes way of saying "Take a second job"

[22:08:56]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, or that you should stop buying crap you can do without

[22:09:28]

Dagmar:

Am I correct in my presumption that http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development is actually up to date?

[22:09:36]

Dagmar:

foxbuntu: That too

[22:09:51]

Dagmar:

I see iamlindoro all over the changelog for it, which is why I think it might actually be in sync with 0.22

[22:10:09]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, it is up to date

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stuartm:

Dagmar: possibly incomplete in parts but up to date

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Josh``:

Dagmar, it's not so much I'm short on money (which I am) – Its moreso I don't want to spend money on something I may only be using once.

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Dagmar:

Oh holy crap

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Dagmar:

We can aim for a target resolution of 1920x1080 now?

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** Dagmar horrahs **

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Dagmar:

One of the things that bugged me before was that on a higher-res display I was looking at having all my nice carefully-constructed PNGs get blurred up

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GreyFoxx:

And that 89G appears to be "corrupt" so it looks like he'll have to start rebuilding this from scratch :)

[22:18:26]

GreyFoxx:

oops

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peterpan13_ptl:

Hi everyone. I had analog working fine on my hvr-1600 until this afternoon. Now, for analog channels, all I'm getting is solid red screen with no audio. The tv in the other room receives the analog channels fine.

[22:19:54]

peterpan13_ptl:

Could I have screwed up a setting on the backend

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Dagmar:

If you've recently been mucking about with them, sure.

[22:20:23]

Dagmar:

If not, check your syslog

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Dagmar:

If you, like I think you did, recently upgraded your kernel, that's what broke it. Check your syslog.

[22:22:03]

peterpan13_ptl:

well, I installed mytharchive.... I'll take a look at the syslog

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Dagmar:

It would be next to impossible for that to break it.

[22:22:40]

peterpan13_ptl:

yeah, I didn't think so

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cesman:

anyone in the channel have service (fios, cable, dish, etc.) with both an HD and SD box?

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awalls:

peterpan13_ptl: A user reported red-screen on the ivtv-users list

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Dagmar:

Ah this reminds me of something I need to finish up and fix

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awalls:

corrective action was to power off for some period of time

[22:23:42]

Dagmar:

I did a whole page just on this vmalloc crap

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** GreyFoxx wonders if there is a standalone app/script for generating the same hashs as mythvideo uses **

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Dagmar:

It uses hashes?

[22:24:40]

awalls:

I have a guess at what is failing, just not why or how or what to do about it (not enough data)

[22:25:38]

Dagmar:

It pisses me off that http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 makes it sound like this is a problem caused by the nvidia driver being "restricted".

[22:26:08]

awalls:

No, it's a system level issue and linux user unfriendliness

[22:26:42]

awalls:

Don't know why the vmalloc limit is so small on 32 bit by default

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awalls:

or why the kernel can't be adaptive

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Dagmar:

I know why.

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Dagmar:

You probably don't want to know.

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awalls:

I wouldn't blame nvidia at all

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Dagmar:

It's not really useful information to most people.

[22:27:55]

Dagmar:

it's not a matter of it being "so small"

[22:28:06]

awalls:

If it's OT then don't bother. :)

[22:28:13]

Dagmar:

It's a matter of it not being needlessly large, and these particular drivers both need a sizeable chunk

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awalls:

OF not real memory, but just addres space

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awalls:

/OF/Of/

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Dagmar:

You blow a minimum of 64M of that space for each tuner initialized mainly

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awalls:

Yup.

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Dagmar:

So if you have like a PVR-500, there goes 128Mb of it, and the nVidia card takes another 64Mb block

[22:29:16]

awalls:

I was looking at a lot of code to try and split it up into two 32 MB or smaller ioremap() windows

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Dagmar:

Bam, you're already over what was preallocated if you tried to be a cheap-ass and use only 512Mb of RAM or something

[22:29:44]

awalls:

IO windows are not system RAM

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Dagmar:

yes but the space is set up based on how much RAM you have

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awalls:

Not on x86_64

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Dagmar:

It should *not* be really plaguing people anymore because IIRC things were recently rediddled so that the smallest amount that would be set up for by default is what used to get provided for if you had 1G of RAM

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awalls:

grep Vmalloc /proc/meminfo on x86_64 yields: VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB

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Dagmar:

yes, the default setting on x86_64 is handled entirely differently

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Dagmar:

Pardon if I seem both vague and specific at hte same time

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awalls:

:)

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awalls:

np.

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Dagmar:

I wrote http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Common_Problem:_vmalloc_too_small over a month ago, while wading through just pages and pages of LKML mails

[22:33:13]

Dagmar:

That page probably has more detail in it than I remember myself

[22:33:22]

awalls:

YOu may have found the HVR-1600 answer sooner on the LMML

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** awalls looks **

[22:33:47]

Dagmar:

...which is more detail than most people need, but I got irked about it because I kept seeing the same problem blamed on a _wide array_ of things

[22:34:20]

Dagmar:

...when _all_ of them boiled down to the user ignoring the kernel very plainly saying "I've not enough of this chunk of reserved address space to load that driver. Deal with it, chumpy."

[22:34:29]

awalls:

Wow, I've got to fix the stupid cx18 message.

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awalls:

Yeah, the "deal with it chumpy" needs to be more adaptive/forgiving

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Dagmar:

The HVR-1600 page on the wiki is the reason I wrote that page, because it bugged me that what it was describing doesn't do what they say it does

[22:38:33]

Dagmar:

"Reallocate the virtual memory so both the cx18 and nvidia modules will coexist." <-- nope. doesn't _re_allocate anything

[22:39:04]

awalls:

Yeah that's wrong.

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awalls:

The scarce resource with vmalloc space is page table entries

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awalls:

not memory

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awalls:

unless you're using alot of your vmalloc space for loading module text segments

[22:40:04]

awalls:

and dynamically allocating big kernel buffers

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stuartm:

Dagmar: as you have noticed, themes can be any resolution you want now, they will obviously be scaled up or down as required but by designing for 1920x1080 you avoid the loss of quality associated with upscaling

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awalls:

The text should be "increase the kernel's non-contiguous memory allocation limit" or something

[22:44:36]

Dagmar:

stuartm: Considering I was planning on specific pixel widths before and not looking forward to the sides of some of hte boxes doing the alpha-depth tango, this is awesome

[22:44:51]

Dagmar:

Screw people who downscale

[22:44:54]

Dagmar:

hehe

[22:45:04]

Dagmar:

They're not likely to notice anything.

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stuartm:

still planning the lcars theme, or something else?

[22:46:26]

Dagmar:

Not planning, pulling the bits out of mothballs

[22:46:44]

Dagmar:

I've even got a proper 1920x1080 screen for it now

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stuartm:

gbutters has done a lcars inspired theme, so we may end up with two ;)

[22:49:40]

wagnerrp:

think anyone would have a problem with me backporting UPNP database detection to the 0.22-fixes python bindings?

[22:49:56]

wagnerrp:

its more of a new feature than a bugfix, but it shouldnt hurt anything

[22:50:12]

wagnerrp:

and the mythbuntu guys are wanting something to play with for their auto-installer

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Dagmar:

I cna't see how it would break things

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superm1:

wagnerrp, i'd just make sure that you have some sort of try: import coherence except Exception: pass sort of thing so it doesn't break anyone that doesn't have coherence installed yet

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Dagmar:

oof

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wagnerrp:

nope, no imports

[22:58:55]

wagnerrp:

just a bit of socket code

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superm1:

awesome, that makes life even easier :)

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Dagmar:

Which kernel was that v4l interface change made in that came up in here last night?

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wagnerrp:

superm1: thats why i was putting off implementing that

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Dagmar:

I just noticed the PVR-500 page on the wiki talks about using kernel 2.6.14 or newer, which is jacked

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wagnerrp:

i didnt really want to add modules that werent in a standard python distribution

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Dagmar:

I know that kernel will cause a problem

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[R]:

whoever gave me that magical 888 us number

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[R]:

high five

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Dagmar:

huh?

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[R]:

when we were talking about IR before

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[R]:

someone said the length of a pulse is 888 us

[23:08:29]

Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

I thought you were talking about a phone number

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wagnerrp:

ditto

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[R]:

lol

[23:09:04]

Dagmar:

Damnit

[23:09:22]

Dagmar:

I still can't think up a good way around this race condition.

[23:09:22]

wagnerrp:

so what do you have running at 1126hz?

[23:09:39]

Dagmar:

Here's the deal

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Dagmar:

Maybe someone will know of something

[23:10:02]

Dagmar:

If you've got a PVR-500 and an HD-PVR in the same box, you can and will occasionally get _screwed_ on a reboot

[23:10:26]

Dagmar:

Bus enumeration is now guaranteed to always happen in the same order, but that's only on a per-bus basis

[23:10:50]

Dagmar:

So like, with just a PVR-500 you'd always have /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 applying to the same exact tuners each time

[23:10:52]

[R]:

Dagmar: you can make a udev rule that matches the hdpvr and assign it video1

[23:11:01]

Dagmar:

[r]: That fails too

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Dagmar:

Follow carefully

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wagnerrp:

even matching against model code?

[23:11:37]

Dagmar:

If you add an HD-PVR to that, since it's on a different bus, it can actually squeeze in there and get /dev/video1 and leave the second tuner of the PVR-500 winding up on /dev/video2

[23:11:40]

wagnerrp:

or do you mean the two inputs in the 500 flip-flop?

[23:11:53]

Dagmar:

I mean the HD-PVR could wind up first, in between, or last

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jpabq:

??? udev works fine for me with two HD-PVRs.

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[R]:

thats what the udev rule is for

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[R]:

to tell it to always use video2 or whatever

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wagnerrp:

cant you map them to some completely independent name

[23:12:54]

wagnerrp:

like /dev/hdpvr0, /dev/pvr0, /dev/pvr1?

[23:12:57]

Dagmar:

jpabq: I'm not talking about two HD-PVRs, and two won't be a problem becasue like I said, bus enumeration order is now reliable

[23:13:08]

wagnerrp:

or can you not use per-rule numbering?

[23:13:08]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Yeah that's the only sane solution I can think of

[23:13:59]

Dagmar:

You can't really lock the thing down to a namespace (erm um with a varadic sequence?) that something else might use

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jpabq:

I use http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1763376 to make sure my HD-PVR always uses /dev/hdpvr0 and /dev/hdpvr1

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Dagmar:

I've no idea what would happen should a second PVR-500 be added and you've tied the HD-PVR to /dev/video2, nor do I have good feelings about trying to put it on /dev/video0 since the PVR-500 could _still_ initialize first and get /dev/video0

[23:15:16]

Dagmar:

jpabq: I think I'm going to flat out suggest people use a different device naming

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clever:

i used symlinks when i made the nodes static

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clever:

SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", SYSFS{model}=="3Com Home Connect Lite", SYMLINK+="video3com"

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clever:

then the device name clearly tells you exactly what its for

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Dagmar:

Something like SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux",ATTR{name}=="Hauppauge HD PVR",NAME="v4l/hdpvr%n"

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Dagmar:

The name option was jus thte first thing that came to mind, I understand that would probably be a bit heavy-handed

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Dagmar:

SYMLINK+="hdpvr%n" would be equally effective

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clever:

the only problem i can see with using symlinks like that, is programs may be limited to /dev/video* and not give you an easy option to pick something else

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wagnerrp:

they call that 'broken'

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clever:

i think mythtv atleast lets you type a diff name in the box

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Dagmar:

Yes those programs would be considered broke

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bonelifer:

With MythTV a 7200 or 5400 RPM drive as the main drive. From what I've read some people use the 5400 drives because they create less heat? Myth or truth to these accounts?

[23:28:51]

Dagmar:

I'm saying this--by the way--not out of some fear of a theoretical problem, but because I've *seen* it happen already

[23:29:04]

Dagmar:

The first bootup I had over here, the HD-PVR landed right in the middle of hte two

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Dagmar:

The next bootup, it wound up as video3

[23:29:33]

Dagmar:

Yes my stuff broke right then and there

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wagnerrp:

bonelifer: a modern large 5400rpm drive (or more likely 5900rpm) is going to be plenty fast for mythtv's needs

[23:30:12]

Dagmar:

You can't buy a disk new that would be too slow to handle the output from a single tuner

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wagnerrp:

s/single tuner/reasonable limit of multiple tuners/

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clever:

even my 400mhz P2 can handle the bandwidth of a single pvr150

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bonelifer:

I'm not worried about speed. Just heat. This is just going to be for the system. I have a 1TB Green drive. I have a PVR-500 for SD and a HVR-1250 1196 for HD

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Dagmar:

If you're putting twelve tuners in one box, I want my effing cut written out a contract before I help

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wagnerrp:

basically, unless you stuff the machine full of dual digital tuners, you should be fine

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Dagmar:

Oh you're fine for heat man

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clever:

the only time ive had heat problems, is when the drive wasnt mounted properly

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clever:

and was isolated from the case

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clever:

it couldnt disapate the heat, and got relatively hot

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about 10w load for a 7200, versus maybe 5w load for a 5900

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ++ (apps should support logical device names, not be limited to kernel names)

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bonelifer:

the 1TB media is a WD 1TB green 7200

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Dagmar:

I have a PVR-style case that I've been running two non-green disks in for awhile, and a PVR-500, and I just noticed two days ago that I'd acceidentally left all the chassis fans disconnected for like the last six months

[23:32:30]

bonelifer:

I'm using the Antec Fusion Remote Black case

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Dagmar:

The only thing off was that the inside of the case was about 15F hotter than I expected and I coulndn't figure out why

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clever:

Dagmar: ive discovered the CPU fan was dead on one system, and it was still running fine

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wagnerrp:

inconsequential considering your graphics card will be pushing 20w+ and your cpu 40w+

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Dagmar:

On 80mm intake and two 120mm outflows, all off

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Dagmar:

s/On/One/;

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bonelifer:

Any suggestions for replacement 120 fans. I'd rather not use the ones that come with it as you can only change their speed with the attached speeds. I'd rather let the system handle the speed depending on the heat situation.

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wagnerrp:

bonelifer: so let it

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Dagmar:

Now, if you act like some of the entitled special children in here and go out and buy an nVidia GeForce 9600 GTX, expect that thing to ROAST everthing in your fanless case

[23:34:17]

wagnerrp:

any fan should be PWM capable

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bonelifer:

The ones that come with the case have Switches

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wagnerrp:

the whole purpose of PWM is that you can use any fan with it

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Dagmar:

bonelifer: Then you should be asking yourself "CAN the system adjust the speed of these fans?"

[23:34:45]

wagnerrp:

while some fans wont run when undervolted

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Dagmar:

Unless you spent a lot more money than I generally do on your motherboard, the answer is "Hhahaha no"

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wagnerrp:

PWM = pulse width modulation

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wagnerrp:

basically, you run at full voltage, but pulsing at a reduced duty cycle

[23:35:26]

wagnerrp:

so the fan never gets up to full speed

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Dagmar:

Generally a 1200mm fan doesn't need to be downthrottled becasue they only have to move about half the RPMs of an 80mm fan to move the same amount of air

[23:35:33]

Dagmar:

er a 120m fan

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wagnerrp:

it makes exactly no difference what fan you have, it will always work

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Dagmar:

If you have a 1200mm fan, it should be hanging from your ceiling. Don't try to fit it in an ATX case.

[23:36:13]

Dagmar:

Less RPMS == less noise

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bonelifer:

thanks for the info. This is the first rig I've done that was above a general usage computer.

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Dagmar:

These people --> http://www.silentpcreview.com/ <-- very handy information

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Dagmar:

They regularly go and test stuff, and you can often find hte stuff they've tested for sale on newegg still

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Dagmar:

About five years ago, most of the really quiet stuff you just didn't find anywhere but on some asian fly-by-nite sites

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clever:

http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/IonCooler/Overview.aspx

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clever:

here is an example of going overkill, and making a totaly silent system

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clever:

zero moving parts

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bonelifer:

yes, hopefully the 500 comes soon, I ordered it off of ebay. Tried to get everything I could off of Newegg as they ship quickly/pack the hell out of their stuff

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wagnerrp:

yeah, and hideously inefficient

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the ill notion of putting high voltage sources next to electronics

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, it doesnt say how much power the ion cooler takes

[23:39:13]

clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

leave the rocket science to spacecraft

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Dagmar:

He's cheating by mounting the cooler *outside* the case

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Dagmar:

DISQUALIFIED

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clever:

wagnerrp: but the other ideas like the iram can still be used

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Dagmar:

heh

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wagnerrp:

clever: another terrible idea

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clever:

Dagmar: thats actualy just a special PSU that was designed to run fan-less, not something he hacked

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wagnerrp:

RAM sucks down a lot of power

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, it even sucks power when 'off'

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wagnerrp:

far more than a much less expensive SSD

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clever:

its dram, so it has to constantly refresh it

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Dagmar:

clever: OKay so then he's proud he can shop carefully then?

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clever:

Dagmar: you also need a structual engineer for the cpu heatsink he got

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bonelifer:

I like to live dangeriously on the dealextreme.com side, but with your HTPC? No thanks.

[23:40:50]

Dagmar:

You don't get RAM in modern PCs that doesn't require that, clever

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clever:

Dagmar: for my 'diskless' setup, i'm using a tmpfs as / and loading it on bootup (from usb)

[23:41:55]

clever:

so it doesnt drain power when off but still has the speed of ram disks

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Dagmar:

How exactly do you figure that?

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bonelifer:

how much ram do y ou have in that system with tmpfs

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clever:

Dagmar: tmpfs is faster then any filesystem on usb

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clever:

bonelifer: 3gig

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clever:

only 1gig is going to the rootfs

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wagnerrp:

i appreciate the people custom designing pumpless water cooling, or using stacks to promote convection currents

[23:43:16]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: They make the rest of us look downright sane, don't they?

[23:43:20]

wagnerrp:

but anyone using an ion thruster as a fan is a crackhead

[23:43:29]

Dagmar:

hehehe

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clever:

bonelifer: its my dads work laptop, they upgraded it to 3gig so it could handle winblows and microsoft office

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bonelifer:

I'm thinking of going for a diskless system for the room as this system is plenty powerful for f/b and sending stuff to a diskless fe

[23:44:13]

bonelifer:

that'll be awhile. the money is drying up quick right now

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Dagmar:

It's cat6 you''ll be wanting to run then

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clever:

bonelifer: most of my diskless systems are just plain NFS root, but ram root is better for a portable system

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wagnerrp:

plain old cat5e does gigabit just fine

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wagnerrp:

even cat5 will do over short distances

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Dagmar:

Friends don't let friends use cat5 for gigabit ethernet

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bonelifer:

Yes Cat6, the run will be short distance as the living room is just on the other side of my bed room. In fact the main HTPC is in the corner that backs up to the entrance to my room and tv area.

[23:46:06]

wagnerrp:

im more for friends don't let friends use stranded conductors

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Dagmar:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

we have stranded cables at work, i hate them

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bonelifer:

friends don't let friends run cat cable with power lines

[23:47:16]

bonelifer:

at least good friends don't

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Dagmar:

bonelifter: If you use the _right pinout_ you can actually get away with that

[23:47:30]

Dagmar:

If you just pin them any which way, yes, christmas lights will screw them up

[23:47:48]

Dagmar:

I used to live in a two-story duplex, and the guy who lived on the other side from my housemate and me also had a home LAN

[23:47:58]

Dagmar:

We used to play Duke Nuke'em and stuff all the time

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bonelifer:

yeah, but those Cisco guys would shit their pants if they knew you were doing that. :)

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Dagmar:

We got tired of running the cable out the windows, so we checked with the landlord and got approval to punch a hole in the middle wall, install a pair of jacks on each end and link the two lans

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bonelifer:

bundling cat6/powerlines

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Dagmar:

The cable to my room ran through the downstairs, where my housemate put it on the existing hooks for christmas lights on the walls

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Dagmar:

Things went great the first day

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Dagmar:

The second day, I was looking at <200k throughput and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why

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Dagmar:

The christmas lights had been turned on

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clever:

lol

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clever:

that would do it

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bonelifer:

what's interesting is I have 56k. Ah the Schedules Direct download will be cron'd for when I'm asleep

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Dagmar:

Yes the guy on the other side of the duplex didn't know you *had* to use t568.

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Dagmar:

he'd just wired them pair, pair, pair, pair.

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Dagmar:

boneifer: You do not need to cron that

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Dagmar:

boneifer: The backend will do it for you

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clever:

Dagmar: the last time i made a cable, i only cut 1 end off, and then copied the pinout for the end i removed, does that sound any better?

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Dagmar:

More importantly, it'll do it at a *variable* time when there's likely to be less load on the SD servers

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bonelifer:

mean WOL I don't want to leave a Phenom II X2 with full system running all night full speed.

[23:51:26]

Dagmar:

clever: If that other end was pinned t568a or t568b you'd be fine

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Dagmar:

60ft of christmas lights will kill throughput on 100base-T if it's right next to an improperly pinned cable

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Dagmar:

Cable the thing correctly so that it can handle interference like the spec was designed to by cancelling it out with the twisted pairs, and suddenly those lights are no problem at all

[23:52:34]

bonelifer:

the entertainment center is just wide enough for ventilation, but still I'm going to have to cut out the paper backing board for the length

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Dagmar:

clever: And the reason for hte low throughput was pretty much 99% packet loss

[23:53:14]

clever:

Dagmar: yeah, thats what i would guess

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wagnerrp:

bonelifer: do you have any machine you leave on all night?

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Dagmar:

You probably want to plan on your master backend staying up all the time

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Dagmar:

Disks taking naps and CPUs clocking down is fine

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wagnerrp:

if you really want, mythtv will auto-manage standby/shutdown

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wagnerrp:

setting the BIOS RTC alarm to wake itself back up

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bonelifer:

Didn't think of that. Though there isn't much on at night Mostly prime-time recording. I was going to WOL via the WRT56GL with Tomato 1.27

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bonelifer:

have any of you dealt with control the TV via the RS-232c(controlable com port)?

[23:59:52]

bonelifer:

I found a site where this guy gave his config, but the instructions in the TV manual, ahem, a little more than Im used too.

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