Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 12th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

ie "You still have the Tonight Show, we just show it once tonight's over"

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Dagmar:

I didn't watch any of it last night so tonight when I get home if I wanted to get "caught up" I'd be watching five hours of TV (basically until dawn)

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Dagmar:

Yuck

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wagnerrp:

stream to work?

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Dagmar:

I tried that actually

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Dagmar:

Too many distractions

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: ooh? they moved it?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, They're putting Conan on at 12:05 and giving 11:35 back to Leno

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iamlindoro:

one also has to wonder what the hell they're going to put in all those hours of TV vacated by Leno's crap

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wagnerrp:

so then Leno has no guests on his show?

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

or its all guests, and he has no monologue?

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kormoc:

ugh...

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iamlindoro:

yep, Leno's show goes to 30 minutes

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kormoc:

Poor Conan

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iamlindoro:

He'll go to Fox, betcha

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kormoc:

Here's hoping

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** sphery finds it's /very/ hard to remove a setting that someone else already removed. **

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justinh:

sphery: fire cleanses all :)

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** iamlindoro stops all work because he doesn't want to make things harder for sphery **

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wagnerrp:

well they could swap conan for reruns, put him on as early as 11PM

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, wait... what about a late-night-like show *during* primetime!

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wagnerrp:

get the edge on the other late night shows

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justinh:

you can't use bad language or have nudity in primetime

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kormoc:

We have nudity on late night?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.tv.com/better-off-ted-who-doesnt-l . . . pot;gumball;

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justinh:

oh wait.. you can't have those on late night TV over there. LOL

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kormoc:

Scratch that, we have nudity?

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iamlindoro:

Nice!

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Cool_C:

question about jamu: does it do any parsing of the filename or simply search in themoviedb on the exact name? i'm asking because jamu doesn't find anything on ac 95% of my movies

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard bad language or nudity on any of those

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justinh:

Cool_C: if they have stupid filenames it'll trip

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kormoc:

Better Off Ted++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Have you seen that video?

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iamlindoro:

It's awesome

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justinh:

e.g. 1337-gr0up-n@m3.cam.xvid.avi

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iamlindoro:

and NAASFW

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kormoc:

not yet

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iamlindoro:

ie not at all safe for work

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Cool_C:

example: it find the data for "Futurama.The.Beast.With.A.Billion.Backs.avi" but not for "Futurama – Benders big score.avi" or "Pans Labyrinth.avi"

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Cool_C:

seem like pretty similar and straightforward names to me

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justinh:

ahh well I dunno then :)

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paras:

anyone having a clue why mythtv can't show me videotext pages but nxtvepg is able to read epg data out of /dev/vbi0 ?

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sphery:

why wouldn't jamu find anything on Avalon.1337.Haxors.TC.720p.x264.avi...

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sphery:

strange...

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paras:

i specified /dev/vbi0 as teletext decoder in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

paras: you didn't set up mythtv-setup for the right/any vbi device maybe?

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sphery:

(joking--and not really expecting that you have stolen videos--just meant that names have to be right)

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iamlindoro:

the latter two are both missing punctuation

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justinh:

paras: permissions?

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paras:

justinh, permissions are ok, as i said, nxtvepg works fine

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh... or, wait, heh.heh.heh

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paras:

but mplayer and mythtv dont

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justinh:

paras: permissions for the user mythbackend is running as hmm?

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RDV_Linux:

Cool_C: If you use interactive mode (-MI) you will get a list of closely matching movies and be able to select the specific one.

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paras:

mythtv user is member of the video group, which has read / write access to /dev/vbi

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justinh:

paras: kk then :)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: that's awesome

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justinh:

sorry for not assuming you have a clue, but you can't be too careful here

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Cool_C:

i was running with the -MG "dir" "dir" options

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Cool_C:

if that matters

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paras:

justinh, i tried to run mtt (videotext viewer from xawtv package) as root, and it didnt show up any pages at all

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paras:

strange thing is nxtvepg works

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paras:

maybe it's becuase nxtvepg is not using the zvbi library

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: Okay, that clip is epically awesome

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RDV_Linux:

Cool_C: -MG is "guess" mode an only works with exact matches so as not to make a mess of your MythVideo metadata.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, hahah, I know, right?

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Cool_C:

RDV_Linux: i suspected something like that. problem is, i need to run in that mode since i don't want to update ALL video directories, only specified ones. and it seem to only be possible to specify directory with those options

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Cool_C:

but how can my first example be an exact match and not the other two? is dots needed instead of spaces or something?

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kormoc:

oh noes! Better off ted to be canceled? http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/12/22/2-x-scru . . . nceled/37037 :(

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RDV_Linux:

Cool_C: "Pans Labyrinth" actually title is "El laberinto del fauno"

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sphery:

kormoc: /and/ Scrubs!

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sphery:

nooooo!

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sphery:

especially after that great clip of BoT

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RDV_Linux:

Cool_C: The feature for processing only specific directories has been requested but is not currently available.

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Cool_C:

RDV_Linux: true, but there are other files which should be matches... but yeah, seem like i found the problem. need to be exact matches with the G option and i need that option to specify directory :/

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iamlindoro:

If only there was some sort of metadata handling built into MythVideo

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: ;)

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sphery:

WoW, Wouldn't that be Wonderful, iamlindoro!

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iamlindoro:

alas

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wagnerrp:

wait, dollhouse is only 'likely to be cancelled'?

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were wrapping up the show

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wagnerrp:

i certainly dont see how it could continue on for more than a couple episodes

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Dagmar:

Yeah it looks to me like Wheedon is planning to complete the storyline at the end of this season

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wagnerrp:

oh, they do say its cancelled, they just didnt strike it out like they have for the other networks

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wagnerrp:

so anyone else notice that chuck turned not-Caucasian when he started playing the guitar?

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iamlindoro:

I didn't notice that, but I did notice the tons and tons of greenscreen effects for the outside shots

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the hands you first see playing the guitar are not his

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wagnerrp:

meh... i found it amusing

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iamlindoro:

The lower budget definitely shows around the edges, but the show is at its heart still the same so I'll go on watching

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MNichie_:

I just installed mythtv, whenever I try to watch live tv, the frontend complains that it "cannot find control PCM" then seg faults.

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MNichie_:

Any ideas?

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Dagmar:

Read the installation instructions and set up the audio output properly.

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Dagmar:

If your output device name involves any sort of "/" characters, you need to go read it "again".

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Dagmar:

Yes, that is a hint.

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MNichie_:

But it is not set to PCM, nor any /dev device

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Dagmar:

Then you _really_ need to configure it properly

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Dagmar:

...or would you like to take a shot at stating what your selected audio output device is

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MNichie_:

Audio output is ALSA:default

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Dagmar:

Well.

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Dagmar:

I'd have lost money on that bet

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Dagmar:

That changes things a bit.

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Dagmar:

Are you sure your ALSA drivers are working properly, i.e., have you run the speaker-test utility to be sure?

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sphery:

MNichie_: the "cannot find control PCM" is unimportant and likely unrelated to the segfault

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sphery:

MNichie_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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sphery:

myth will complain about that (or missing Master control) and many new (Intel HDA) sound cards don't have PCM or don't have Master

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Dagmar:

Well, that might have something to do with their hda_intel support sucking hard

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Dagmar:

Verifying that ALSA itself isn't to blame is at least relatively straightforward

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MNichie_:

alsa is working

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Dagmar:

Shucks. Shoots that theory

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Dagmar:

Well, the bad news is that the easy parts are over. ;)

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sphery:

Dagmar: true, though there are lots of ways to misconfigure Myth audio, but the backtrace would tell us for sure where the problem is :)

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Dagmar:

sphery: Frankly I was just hoping ALSA was screwing up

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MNichie_:

lameness, was working fine when I was running an older version of Ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Seems like a day doesn't go by that I don' see a broken hda_intel issue

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sphery:

I'll admit, though, that getting a good backtrace is a /lot/ more work than fixing audio settings in Myth

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sphery:

the whole HDA spec is broken, though, so can't expect much :)

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MNichie_:

sphery: should I use ver .21 or .22?

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Dagmar:

0.22-fixes if you can

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sphery:

MNichie_: if it's a bug, we'd only fix it in 0.22-fixes or trunk

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sphery:

upgrading may actually fix the issue for you, too :)

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MNichie_:

Once I installed the autobuild package, did that update mythtv or did it just add the repos?

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Dagmar:

*No* idea

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superm1:

MNichie_, installing the autobuilds package just adds the repo and the keys

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superm1:

run update manager and check for updates

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superm1:

(as mentioned in http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds )

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** elmojo looks forward to The Bachelor tonight **

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iamlindoro:

....

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iamlindoro:

I..

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iamlindoro:

With Fringe, and Chuck, and even the POS Heroes on..

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iamlindoro:

you want to watch the Bachelor?

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elmojo:

It's not my choice

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iamlindoro:

So do you look forward to it, or are you contractually obligated to look forwad to it?

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elmojo:

Just joking about looking forward to it

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iamlindoro:

whew ;)

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elmojo:

Is Fringe any good?

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elmojo:

I heard Chuck was good but just didn't want to start mid-season

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iamlindoro:

I love Fringe, Chuck is great

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iamlindoro:

it's not midseason, btw

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iamlindoro:

start of season yesterday... but it is the third season

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elmojo:

I much rather watch the ArcLight PBB screen recording my shows with the red Recording alpha pulse going

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

that's the spirit

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elmojo:

Is Fringe or Chuck something you can get into without having seen previous seasons?

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elmojo:

Unlike Lost which I've watched from the beginning and still don't get it

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elmojo:

I regret the day I started watching that junk

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iamlindoro:

Fringe is watchable but you would be missing some of the arc, Chuck you would pick up the idea quickly

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sphery:

Fringe is great

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iamlindoro:

But then, I love my LOST :)

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iamlindoro:

LOST began to pay off in Season 3

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sphery:

glad it survived and Eleventh Hour didn't. 11th tried to be real, so it wasn't nearly as good.

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sphery:

LOST season 1 was great. 2–4 were work required to understand season 5--which was great

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sphery:

I really didn't think S5 could be nearly good enough to make 2–4 worthwhile, but it was

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iamlindoro:

I think LOST is one of those shows people are going to come back to on DVD when it's all done and realize what they were missing

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iamlindoro:

(when you can watch the whole thing and see the payoffs quickly)

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elmojo:

Do you have any idea how it's going to end... I have no clue

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sphery:

"You may not care, but 3D isn't going away this time."

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iamlindoro:

I think few people do... But I know with only 16 episodes it's all gonna be awesome :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: exactly--people who didn't watch it properly /couldn't/ get it

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sphery:

I heard that we find out that the whole thing was just a dream when Jacob wakes up and finds Larry Hagman standing there--alive.

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elmojo:

"watch it properly".... I guess I didn't

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iamlindoro:

I think JJ Abramsknows how to pay off an ending... IF he has enough foreknowledge

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iamlindoro:

but if he's rushed, he breaks things

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sphery:

heh--just meant that it's impossible to pick up as much as you need to with a week or more between each episode (unless you do the ARG/homework)

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iamlindoro:

but since LOST has been winding down for three whole seasons, I think they've had time to pace it properly

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sphery:

so, mkrufky did the week-to-week thing, but he still got it because of the ARG

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iamlindoro:

I have watched it weekly and more or less followed the real world elements... it's all been a lot of fun for me

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iamlindoro:

I like TV that's a little bit of work, as long as there's a real payoff-- LOST is exactly that

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iamlindoro:

ie, it rewards you exactly as much as you put into it

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sphery:

I found it much easier to watch after the season ended/after everyone had updated the LOSTpedia :)

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elmojo:

didn't the Lost producers start a new show?

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iamlindoro:

Fringe?

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cesman:

spiderman reboot in 2012... What the?

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elmojo:

oh yeah... that's why I didn't start watching Fringe :)

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cesman:

isn't it a bit too early for a reboot?

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iamlindoro:

cesman, Well that's dumb

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Fringe is much less Arc-driven, but it *does* have a satisfying arc too

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cesman:

iamlindoro: no argument here.

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elmojo:

what does "Arc" mean?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, serialized storytelling

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iamlindoro:

ie story elements/plot which carries over time

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elmojo:

ah, gotcha

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iamlindoro:

Lost is heavily serialize/arc-driven... Law and Order is episodic

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elmojo:

I like 24, Prison Break type shows

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mc_shakey:

Windows problem...anyone interested?

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mc_shakey:

not mine...

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elmojo:

looking forward to 24 this weekend... more so than The Bachelor

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iamlindoro:

a *MythTV* windows problem?

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iamlindoro:

also, if so, don't ask to ask, just ask

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mc_shakey:

startup Repair in a 4 hr loop...hd active...should I let go or terminate and try something else

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iamlindoro:

mc_shakey, uhh... that doesn't sound like MythTV

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mc_shakey:

thankgod

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mc_shakey:

ill go somewhere else

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wagnerrp:

well that was pointless

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iamlindoro:

It's definitely a pet peeve for me when people turn this into a general support channel for any old thing

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iamlindoro:

Usually fine if it's even tangentially related to Myth, but there have to be limits

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elmojo:

Sorry I shouldn't have mentioned The Bachelor

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iamlindoro:

heh

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I hope you don't mind me setting up a website and selling copies of ArcLight using Paypal

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iamlindoro:

Why would I mind something like that?

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elmojo:

I figured you'd be supportive

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sphery:

I found a version of it that included a license key generator, so now it's a theme the way themes are meant to be--free!

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sphery:

Great the I no longer have to plug the dongle into the serial port to use Arclight.

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iamlindoro:

Must have been a Russian copy, all of Arclight's dongles are USB

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iamlindoro:

First clue would have been the font, Fruit-Igor

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sphery:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Hey, look at what I got for Myth with just a copy of Arclight! AVChapter support!

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elmojo:

I feel like I got the best side of the deal

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iamlindoro:

I knew that summer spent in the Apple marketing department was worth it

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elmojo:

You work at the Cupertino campus off 280/DeAnza

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iamlindoro:

Pfft, who takes 280

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iamlindoro:

85 is faster

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** sphery is suffering some failing recordings **

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sphery:

2010-01–10 20:54:06.969 [mpeg2video @ 0xb72f68e8]releasing zombie picture

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iamlindoro:

great, now it's loose

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sphery:

but I /like/ zombie pictures

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iamlindoro:

protect your brains!

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iamlindoro:

Amazing that libavcodec is a full fledged movie studio now

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iamlindoro:

is there nothing it can't do?

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sphery:

So, it's all cardid 4 that's failed

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sphery:

I'll bet my HD-3000 needs a cold boot

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sphery:

4 missed recordings :(

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wagnerrp:

the 'cold boot' always bothered me

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elmojo:

sphery: isn't that a fairly old card?

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sphery:

yeah... I may get around to replacing it

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elmojo:

I've had 3 Dvico HDTVFusion cards die on me in the span of about 3 years

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wagnerrp:

rather the fact that you can have a case where cards need a cold boot

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elmojo:

had the old can tuners on them

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sphery:

unfortunately, if it tries to tune a channel and there's nothing there, it no longer works until you reboot the system. :(

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elmojo:

I've got silicon-based tuners now.... much, much better... lower power too

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sphery:

happened to me when channels shuffled. This seems like a CBS-affiliate broadcast issue right when I was tuning a show last night.

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elmojo:

sphery: that's insane

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elmojo:

I bought a couple 800i cards off ebay when they were $30-$40 shipped

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sphery:

I've been thinking of getting some HVR-1250's

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wagnerrp:

ive got no complaints about mine

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sphery:

I'm going to swap out my mbe hardware this month or next--new one has PCIe and SATA :)

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sphery:

Well, at least I got all of last night's and tonight's Chuck and tonight's Fringe and Heroes. Otherwise, the card may have died a grisly death...

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wagnerrp:

be nice if there were a cheaper dual tuner

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sphery:

which is the dual tuner?

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elmojo:

sphery: I'm going to have to upgrade my mbe hardware soon... did you go AMD or Intel?

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wagnerrp:

2250

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wagnerrp:

$130, vs. the $50 1250

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sphery:

does it work with *nix/Myth?

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wagnerrp:

digital, yes... and i believe the driver is in newer kernels

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wagnerrp:

2.6.32 or something

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sphery:

I went AMD--only because cost was more important to me than performance

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newbie004:

hi, I'm about to install mythtv on fedora 12, any suggestions before I start. Will follow mythtv wiki

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sphery:

mbe doesn't take much and what I have (Regor 240--wanted the 240e, but still can't find them) is overkill

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, cool

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sphery:

might look into that one, then--think I only have one PCIe in there

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sphery:

3x PCI, though

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Dagmar:

pDamn Sony and HP--bogarting all the chips!

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newbie004:

some of the PCI are backwards compatible

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Dagmar:

Wat?>

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newbie004:

I should say the big slots can fit the smaller cards

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Dagmar:

How much have you had to smoke tonight?

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newbie004:

it's true

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wagnerrp:

seems avermedia has a dual atsc for $65

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Dagmar:

What's your dealers' number

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wagnerrp:

but no idea how driver support is

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wagnerrp:

PCIX slots can usually accept PCI cards

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newbie004:

I got the newer hauggpaugh 2250 unfortunatly the drivers for analog are not there yet

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wagnerrp:

but there has never been any form of cross compatibility between pcie and pci

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Dagmar:

PCI slots absolutely can NOT accept PCIe cards tho.

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newbie004:

wagnerrp would know not I

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[R]:

speaking of analog... i tried my bttv and it looked like total crap... if i got some kind of a hauppauge pvr... would it look better?

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Dagmar:

You could put *some* PCIX cards in a plain PCI slo, but you generally got reduced functionality that way

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sphery:

gonna miss Castle, too... :(

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Dagmar:

Like some of the earlier gigabit ethernet cards... You could put hem in a PCI slot and run htem at 100base-T, but if you wanted gigE throughput you HAD to have a PCIX slot

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sphery:

can't reboot until after Fringe/Heroes and there's 5min overlap

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Thanks for doing that port, I rely on Mythtranscode pretty heavily, even if it's just for lossless cut

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newbie004:

[R]: perhaps you could change the size ?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that will be disappointing

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean tonights?

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[R]:

newbie004: size?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: force a second recording, so it pulls it off a working tuner

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, I use it daily I think. use will go down quite a bit though once I snag another >= 1TB HD, but haven't done that yet.

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newbie004:

[R]: I read somewhere for some card (I don't remember the exact details) that the image would be better if resized, referring to something in mythtvsetup

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Dagmar:

...and just to make that completely clear again to anyone reading the logs as a result of some Google search... NO, there is *no* compatibility at the hardware level between PCI and PCI Express

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[R]:

newbie004: crap is crap

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[R]:

newbie004: but i wasn't testing it in myth...

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Dagmar:

[R]: Is it a questionable signal issue, or just ugly artifacting from the compression?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that's a good plan--though my other cards are busy. I can lower prio on Jay Leno to put it on the bad card

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newbie004:

mythtv got me into linux, well the philosphy first, but mythtv was a definate second

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[R]:

Dagmar: i dont know about signal quality... what compression?

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, won't have that problem much longer. :)

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sphery:

is it getting cancelled?

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iamlindoro:

Leno is always low priority on my box

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iamlindoro:

so low as to not have a recording rule

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Leno->11:35, conan->12:05

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[R]:

Dagmar: oh... and the colors were off

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iamlindoro:

sphery, because nothing says "NBC respects you" like spending years on ultra-late-night to get the tonight Show, only to have NBC ream you two months later

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sphery:

yeah, it was low prio, raised it and bumped CSI: Miami to the bad card

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

but youre going to miss that dramatic eyewear

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Dagmar:

[R]: How much off? A little, or are we talking a pretty obvious RYG swap or something

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[R]:

Dagmar: it seemed like it wasn't as bright as it should have been

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Dagmar:

That could probably be tweaked around but screw it

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Dagmar:

It's a framegrabber card.

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i'm going to a swapmeet next weekend

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[R]:

i'll see if they have an mpeg card

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Dagmar:

Throw it the hell away, find a used PVR-150, call it a day.

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newbie004:

[R]: do you think there is any value in recording my progress for a wiki somewhere? Fedora made it so simple..

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[R]:

newbie004: huh?

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newbie004:

hard to find a PVR-150 now

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Dagmar:

There's still plenty of them on eBay

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sphery:

got Jay to the bad card

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iamlindoro:

sphery, In that case if you're lucky it won't record

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sphery:

but lost 2 mins of Castly

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iamlindoro:

then it'll be just as funny as usually

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newbie004:

[R]: a list of things I typed at the terminal, your a bit of a pro over in #fedora so I thought I'd ask

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sphery:

Castle

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m:

newbie004 I've just installed fedora 12 as a linux newbie primarily for the possibilities MythTV has. I'd like to know how to install MythTV too.

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sphery:

It's not recording :)

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Dagmar:

m: You know how you do that?

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Dagmar:

m: You go back and download MythDora.

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Dagmar:

Far, far easier.

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Dagmar:

Then at least you know what it will look like when you're done.

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newbie004:

m: will do, I did it once before on F12, and previously on 8 and ubuntu something. Fedora 12 was amazingly simple

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m:

Mythdora is the name I used for my computer

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Dagmar:

Wel, ther'es a myth-centric variant of Fedora called that

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[R]:

newbie004: if you want to make a wiki page, make a wiki page

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newbie004:

I had trouble with Mythdora, it was based on F10 which had a bug something to do with 64 bit and SCSI drives as I recall

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Dagmar:

...because honestly, unless you really really really want to learn about the gory details of how this thing works, it's way easier to start with a canned distro

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wagnerrp:

you have scsi hardware?

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Dagmar:

ther'es nothing to stop you from modifying it after it's installed, but at least you don't get to spend days of _actual_ time beating on it before it records things

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wagnerrp:

and you confused pcix and pcie?

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Dagmar:

newbie004: I don't mean to rag on you, but do you really think at your knowledge level you're going to be helping many people who aren't curently chewing on their mice?

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Dagmar:

You can write a wiki page for sure, but you might want to get more certain of what you're doing first.

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Dagmar:

it's hard to get rid o the crazy things you write when you're first starting out

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Dagmar:

I had to kill the entire 80's

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Dagmar:

Yes, this is why they're not around anymore.

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newbie004:

Dagmar: I use the term newbie out of respect for IRC, I've been using linux since Fedora 6, and a computer programmer for 20 years

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Dagmar:

Dude you just said that PCIe and PCI were compatible.

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Dagmar:

You might know a lot of stuff, but you don't apparently know which things you _don't_ know very well.

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newbie004:

I also defered the knowledge to someone else, I am not into hardware

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Dagmar:

"<newbie004> [R]: I read somewhere for some card (I don't remember the exact details) that the image would be better if resized, referring to something in mythtvsetup" <-- this is actually quite terrifying

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newbie004:

wagnerrp: I don't remember the exact issue F10 had, it was fixed shortly afterward, I'm sure mythdora was updated since then

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m:

newbie004 how do you install MythTV into fedora 12?

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newbie004:

m: totally using yum, then a script is placed somewhere in /usr/share/mythtv as I recall

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newbie004:

m: should have said a database script

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newbie004:

m: then it's just a matter of services, and then the specific card

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newbie004:

m: and of course database users

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m:

just installed mysql server and I've got a ton of mythtv 22–224 rpms

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wagnerrp:

both of you... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora

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m:

but don't know which rpm to install with yum first

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newbie004:

Dagmar: for the record I said "... the big slots can fit the smaller cards"

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m:

OK thanks wagnerrp

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newbie004:

wagnerrp: will be following that, then include info for my specific experiance

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wagnerrp:

no, specific comments should go in the discussion

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m:

yeah, that wiki is why I installed MySQL

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newbie004:

specifically I will be attempting a haughpaugh 1950, which has a firmware update

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m:

I've got an old HDTV Thriller PCI NTSC/ATSC Hybrid TV card + FM

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m:

$15

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Dagmar:

For the record I really doubt you were even thinking aobut PCIx since sphery never even mentioned that, and it's kinda rare to begin with. Sphery had only mentioned PCIe and PCI.

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Dagmar:

You volunteered information that was either completely unrelated, or dead wrong. Take your pick.

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Dagmar:

m: So what're the PCI vendor and product codes on it?

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Dagmar:

It's helpful to find out who _actually_ made the card

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Dagmar:

Those codes will generally tell us with reasonable accuracy.

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Dagmar:

m: They can be revealed with `/sbin/lspci -nn`. Just look for the two hexadecimal numbers in brackets at the end of the line.

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m:

It's a nobrand from China

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's when those numbers come in handiest.

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Dagmar:

No joke.

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m:

already installed in my box

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Dagmar:

So?

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Dagmar:

Is it already working?

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newbie004:

pretty sweet deal

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m:

fedora install recognized it as a sound card

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a framegrabber/bttv card so far

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Dagmar:

...which would be a little tricky for ATSC

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m:

It worked in XP with identical hardware in the same box, am running linux off a 60Gb USB drive

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newbie004:

the older cards seem to have better support

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Dagmar:

They've had time to circulate to flea markets and have a few passes through ebay where underemployed coders could find them and beat them into submission is why

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Dagmar:

m: Either way if the thing doesn't just up and work the very first time, you will want to probably start by looking here http://pciids.sourceforge.net/

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m:

OK will copy that link

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Dagmar:

The site is a little ugly, but it's more or less the same data HAL/udev use to determine which of the jillions of kernel modules to try and load when the kernel is doing roll-call on the PCI bus

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newbie004:

m: have you seen it work in linux yet? do you have any thoughs for a comparason of the two?

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m:

not yet, haven't installed MythTV or any other prog that would use the card

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wagnerrp:

hold on... dead man walking

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wagnerrp:

anyone see fringe tonight?

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wagnerrp:

near the beginning of the episode (13m in by my recording), they go back to the fbi office

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wagnerrp:

olivia is talking to another agent, her partner, her dead partner

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m:

the wiki at http://mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora relies on running a cd or DVD for install, which I wanted to avoid

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that is him, WTF is he doing back?

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wagnerrp:

did they just forget the entire first half of the season?

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m:

ha ha, maybe he's not dead

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newbie004:

m: just scroll down a bit more, they are talking about a dedicated machine

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newbie004:

m: your using your desktop to also record tv right?

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wagnerrp:

they killed him, someone took his appearance, and then they killed the 'skinwalker' or whatever you want to call it

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Interesting.

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Dagmar:

That's got to be significant.

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newbie004:

m: whoa

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Dagmar:

Like, seriously "someone is screwing with time"-significant

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m:

Did a small recording on XP

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newbie004:

m: this advises you to include the atrpms repo

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Dagmar:

M; whether or not drivers exist for XP has little to no bearing on whether or not drivers exist for Linux for that card

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wagnerrp:

yeah, imdb confirms it, his character is in that episode

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newbie004:

m: perhaps installing atrpms isn't a great idea

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: He's been VERY dead for awhile now

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wagnerrp:

yeah, since 2x04

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wagnerrp:

and this is 2x11

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Dagmar:

If he's shown up again and Olivia isn't going apesnort, it's becase someone's been screwing with time, Olivia's head, or they're showing something that happened in the past and you missed hte transition

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Dagmar:

Or she's flipped over to Earth^2 or whatever it is they're calling it and talking to his analog there.

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Dagmar:

...but that's somewhat more than usuually unlikely.

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m:

using yum repolist shows the repository I configured in my /etc/yum.repos.d/mythrepo/ localinfo myth.repo enabled: 49

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wagnerrp:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43586

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wagnerrp:

seems tonight's episode is an unaired episode from season 1

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Dagmar:

Ah ha!

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wagnerrp:

nice of them to explain that

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Dagmar:

heh

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m:

see he wasn't dead.....yet

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wagnerrp:

its like beerfest

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wagnerrp:

his long lost twin simply assumed the place of his dead brother, and took up his life

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m:

in the wiki I installed, yum install yum-fastestmirror, so it seems I could install MythTV from my local repository, but don't know know how to do it

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m:

re: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43586 Fringe is great!

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iamlindoro:

except for apparently being an episode of quantum leap tonight

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[R]:

omg i love mythtv

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[R]:

i set a 1 minute prerecord minute on these stupid cbs shows

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[R]:

now i dont miss the first minute

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wagnerrp:

see above link

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ^^^

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah, saw it, I was joking about it

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wagnerrp:

i keep getting 15–20 second gaps in my recordings

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[R]:

gaps?

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[R]:

like missing frames?

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wagnerrp:

two gaps so far in fringe, one in chuck... possibly more in commercials im not watching

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[R]:

what is the source?

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wagnerrp:

QAM

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Agrajag-:

using 0.21 mythbackend hasn't recorded anything since 1/1/2010 (not sure if this is a coincidence or not). logs aren't helping at this stage – it claims to be recording, but no new files are created in the recording dir. is this a known issue?

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wagnerrp:

trying to figure out which tuner from the logs

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[R]:

i always look at the channel id to figure that out

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Dagmar:

Agrajag-: Check the backend logs.

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Dagmar:

Agrajag-: I mean, if it's an ongoing issue, schedule a new recording for whatever is about to air, wait about 5 minutes into it, and then look at the backend logs

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m:

What's the difference between a backend vs frontend server in MythTV?

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Agrajag-:

Dagmar: that's what i've done – nothing useful at the moment – last message in the log is "2010-01–12 14:47:58.607 scheduler: Started recording: The Bill "The Rookie": channel 1022 on cardid 1, sourceid 1" after i just started a recording

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Dagmar:

It'll certainly be saying something about whether or not it even thought it was supposed to be recording something, or whether it threw out your scheduled recording for some reason

[03:52:47]

Dagmar:

It should absolutely throw a fit if it can't write to the disk

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[R]:

m: one runs mythbackend, one runs mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

m: One moment while I retrieve you a URL

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Dagmar:

m: This should explain a bit http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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m:

OK thanks [R] and Dagmar

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Dagmar:

no problem

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Dagmar:

I am used to assembling things with little to no documentation, and Myth gave me fits for about two full evenings before I fully understood how the pieces fit together.

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m:

I sure there's a learning curve

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Dagmar:

That's like saying Ayers' Rock is a "little hill".

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m:

ha ha

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Dagmar:

...or that Lombard Street is a little twisty.

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sphery:

Agrajag-: if the logs have absolutely no errors and show the recording starting on time and ending on time, the problem is outside Myth--i.e. capture cards/card drivers/firmware/...

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Dagmar:

http://www.reliablerides.com/images/lombard%20street.jpeg

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m:

oh man, I'd like to see a 007 chase scene on that hill!

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Dagmar:

You'd see someone's beemer roll over into a living room on the first turn

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m:

ha ha

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Dagmar:

I've been down that on a car and on a bicycle. Neither is pleasant

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m:

especially if it was a 3D TV

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Dagmar:

You are eating BUSHES if you mess up on a bike

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m:

a bike could beat a car down

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Dagmar:

Only because a car has to do like, 12mph or you're in someone's living room.

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mag0o:

man, games have warped me. i actually pictured the cars wrapping from side to side instead of having to switch back, to get up or down

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Dagmar:

hehehe

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Dagmar:

You don't go _up_ it either

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Dagmar:

It's narrow

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Dagmar:

Mostly if you're new to San Franciso you get to the top and think "Jesus, when was the last time I had my brakes checked."

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Dagmar:

It's not twisty just to be decorative, it's like a four-story *drop*

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m:

40 years ago my friends and I on bicycles, beat a car down Lookout Mountain in Golden, Colorado, which pissed off the young punks, who were older than us. We had to ditch them in town and go up a oneway street the wrong way, jump over a bush and hide behind it with our bikes.

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m:

I have an Nvidia 7950 GT, the Nvidia site provides a file called: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64–190.53-pkg2.run, which is a binary file. Is there a corresponding rpm package?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

but its just going to be some kind of wrapper that pulls and installs that file, adding the necessary entries to the package system

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Dagmar:

Thankfully, nVidia's licence is such that it's actually possible to package compiled binaries for a distro

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Dagmar:

...assuming of course you're still using their kernel.

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m:

I have several files in my local repositopry from MythTV named something like: nvidia-graphics-190.53–44.x86_64.rpm

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Dagmar:

It's when you're making no assumptions about the kernel that you have to go through the dance of figuring out if the right kernel source is around so their package can compile

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Dagmar:

m: THta sounds like them. If you query the rpm for it's file list you'll see the kernel module and GLX so's

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Dagmar:

That would be the x86_64 pakcage tho. Don' install that if you're using 32-bit Fedora

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m:

I'll use #yum info ****.rpm and see

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Dagmar:

I think rpm -q --dump package.rpm migh do it as well

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Dagmar:

Not entirely sure tho. It's been awhile since I've messed with rpm

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m:

[root@mythdora m]# yum info /etc/yum.repos.d/mythrepo/nvidia-graphics-190.53–44.x86_64.rpm

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m:

Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit

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m:

Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile

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m:

* fedora: mirrors.tummy.com

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m:

* livna: rpm.livna.org

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m:

* rpmfusion-free: mirrors.tummy.com

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m:

* rpmfusion-free-updates: mirrors.tummy.com

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m:

* rpmfusion-nonfree: mirrors.tummy.com

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m:

* rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirrors.tummy.com

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m:

* updates: mirrors.tummy.com

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m:

Error: No matching Packages to list

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jams:

m use pastein for that much info

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m:

used the path to my rpm with no luck

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Dagmar:

Yes well, let's not flood the channel, shall we?

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m:

OK

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Dagmar:

Yum doesn't work like you think it does

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m:

More appropriate for a linux commands IRC

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Dagmar:

Ahh... rpm -p package.rpm, so possbly rpm -q --dump -p thatpakcage.rpm

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Dagmar:

er -qpl

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Dagmar:

er !@#@! ... -qlp package.rpm

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Dagmar:

I've no rpms here to test so I'm working from memory and the man page

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m:

I should restrict this to a linux command help IRC channel, not a MythTV channel

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m:

quit/Hey, I'll be back both to listen and when I have Myth TV installed

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Hilikus:

i have a recording with an end late of 1 minute, theres another recording that starts right after the first one so right now i get a conflict because of that 1 minute. is there a way to fix this? like telling it to ignore end late when theres a recording right away?

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Gumby:

hi all. I am trying to figure out why I have no audio. I see the following in the logs but I cant figure out where to set permissions... http://pastebin.ca/1747883

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clever:

Hilikus: that would be soft padding, which is set elsewhere and effects every recording

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Hilikus:

what do you mean it affects every recording?

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clever:

there are 2 types of padding

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clever:

the hard padding is set on a per-rule basis and wont go away to solve conflicts

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Hilikus:

i dont want a local exception for this recording, i want to tell it to ignore end lates for all recordings if they create a conflict

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clever:

while the hard-padding is global (all rules) and will be removed if it causes a conflict

[05:23:17]

clever:

both paddings let you start/end recordings early/late

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Hilikus:

did you mean soft padding the second time?

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clever:

oops

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

its comming up on 2am here

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Hilikus:

oh ok, that sounds exactly what i want

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Hilikus:

is that in the FE or BE?

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clever:

frontend

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Hilikus:

ok, i'll look for it

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Hilikus:

thanks a lot clever

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Dagmar:

To make it a wee bit simpler--maybe--the more narrowly scoped the padding rule is, the more likely it's going to override other padding rules.

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Hilikus:

i cant find the setting

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clever:

its well hidden

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Hilikus:

do you remember where? it would only make sense in recording profiles, but its not there. i also looked in general and playback options

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Hilikus:

maybe i should check the backend

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clever:

Hilikus: setup->setup->tv settings->general, advanced page

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clever:

Hilikus: setup->setup->tv settings->general, advanced page

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Hilikus:

i dont see anything there about padding. just the global "past end" rules

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clever:

yeah, thats it

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clever:

thats the soft padding

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Hilikus:

mm so there's no soft padding in individual shows. i understand now what you said before

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xaxes:

hey there, is it possible to forbid "cutting" two recordings that follow eachother into two pieces?

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xaxes:

mythtv doesnt cut them very well, so one of the recording isnt complete

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wagnerrp:

digital tuner?

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xaxes:

technisat skystar 2

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wagnerrp:

add padding on both, and let multirec take care of things

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will just record the overlap twice, using two virtual tuners

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xaxes:

wagnerrp: thanks, Ill look for this.. but I think I have problems by using only one rule for this, right? both episodes are from the same rule

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wagnerrp:

does the guide data show it as two parts?

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xaxes:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then mythtv sees it as two independent shows, and will record each individually

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xaxes:

okay, gonna look for padding-settings and multirec

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xaxes:

wagnerrp: Im using mythweb to setup this. am I right to set "Start early:" and "end late" for this rule to get "padding", or did you mean another option?

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sphery:

padding settings are in the recording rule

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wagnerrp:

thats the one

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xaxes:

okay, thanks :)

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sphery:

multirec is enabling multiple "virtual tuners" in mythtv-setup on a digital capture card

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xaxes:

is multirec global or rule-dependent?

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sphery:

global for a capture card

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sphery:

digital cards only

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sphery:

and only works with channels on the same multiplex (including the same channel)

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xaxes:

yes :)

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xaxes:

gonna look for*

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sphery:

enable multiple tuners in mythtv-setup

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xaxes:

sphery: the "Max recordings" greater 1 should set multirec, right?

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sphery:

sounds right

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xaxes:

okay.. wagnerrp sphery thanks for your help :)

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sphery:

I don't remember the exact words/location

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xaxes:

see ya

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sphery:

you may also want to delete your capture cards as at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

... to get things in the right order

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sphery:

but whatever

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aputerboy:

I just added my first non localhost frontend and got the error message "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'mymachine' (using password: YES)

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aputerboy:

Do I need to change permissions or add a new user 'mythtv'@'mymachine' to my mythconverg database

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aputerboy:

or do I need to do something to open up mysql to outside connections?

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wagnerrp:

add a new user, yes

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wagnerrp:

access denied means youre myqsl server is accessible, and refusing access to those credentials

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wagnerrp:

likely because your current grant is for 'localhost'

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aputerboy:

I did a lot of google searching and didn't see this documented and I would have thought this would affect many if not most users

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crankharder:

anyone know how to make sniperpad's build of MFE go fullscreen on osx?

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wagnerrp:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'mymachine' identified by 'mypassword';

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aputerboy:

ahhh so in general to people grant to 'mythtv' (in general) but mine is more restrictive in only being granted to 'localhost'

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wagnerrp:

you *can* grant to all hosts '%'

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wagnerrp:

but you really shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

are you jeffrey kosowsky?

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aputerboy:

ok – but if this isn't well-documented, why does the default work for others but not for me

[06:45:22]

aputerboy:

yup – why?

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wagnerrp:

reading mailing list

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aputerboy:

yeah – it was late so I decide to try IRC – never used it before to tell the truth

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aputerboy:

So does the default install typically to all hosts? since again I don't see documentation about having to set it for a specific machine

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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wagnerrp:

all there in the docs

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aputerboy:

Thanks – that seems to explain it – I was looking on the Wikki and using google – but obviously I missed something obvious

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wagnerrp:

it trips up a lot of people

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wagnerrp:

at least a couple every week in here asking about that

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aputerboy:

does this add a new user or is it the same user 'mythtv' but now allowed access from the network?

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wagnerrp:

its a new line in a table

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aputerboy:

and one final question, if I want to "reverse" this later, do I just use "deny all" instead of "grant all"? (whenever I open up a hole, I like to know how to close it)

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aputerboy:

or is there a special delete command to delete that line of the table

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont know the 'proper' way to do it

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wagnerrp:

ive just delete the line from the database directly

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wagnerrp:

im sure theres plenty of information online on how to do it

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aputerboy:

ok – i will look – thanks for the help

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newbie004:

hi I've got a haughpaugh 1950, mythtvsetup is reporting Failed to probe, dmesg reports a firmware error (wrong size) and suggest I power cycle

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newbie004:

I'm on a 64 bit machine

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newbie004:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

you have a firmware mismatch with your driver revision

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wagnerrp:

make sure you have the correct firmare that is supposed to go with your drivers

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newbie004:

I used a perl script to extract the firmware, originally I pointed it at the drivers directory, the next time around at the 64bit directory.. the 64bit time around it said something along the lines of not finding drivers it expected to find

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newbie004:

the 32 bit time around it found 4 files, 64 it found only 1

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wagnerrp:

youre probably better off in #linuxtv

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newbie004:

I'm worried the perl script isn't working for me

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newbie004:

ah thanks

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wagnerrp:

i know thats one of the V4L-DVB dev's recommended choice for a USB tuner

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newbie004:

I'll try the extract again and see if I can get a better understanding of what's going on

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wagnerrp:

so i assume he would know what you need to do

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newbie004:

thank you

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banyan:

now, I probably just need somebody to remind me about something here, but my mythfrontend has decided to stop making noise. no sound output from recordings... or from mplayer, but if I play from rhythmbox I get sound.

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banyan:

I can't make any sense of the settings any longer as somebody has taken it upon themselves to remove all identification from the driver / daemon, so I don't even know if it's alsa or pulse or what which doesn't help.

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banyan:

by the last, I mean that the thing I'm changing the settings of, the thing that opens up under the system menu under preferences / sound, has no identification.

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banyan:

Just "Sound Preferences", lol. so how do I go about diagnosing this so I can get some audio back in mythfrontend?

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aputerboy:

FYI according to the mysql manpages the way to completely remove a user is to use the query: DROP USER user;

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aputerboy:

If you just want to revoke privileges to a specific database use: REVOKE ALL PRIVILEGS ON database.* FROM user

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aputerboy:

where 'user' is the same as 'user@%' but different from 'user'@'host'

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aputerboy:

QUESTION: I just tried setting the security pin in the backend setup BUT it doesn't seem to have any effect — i.e. I can still start and use the frontend without any password (note I restarted mythbackend too just in case)

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aputerboy:

is everybody sleeping?

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user_:

good morning all people

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user_:

i got one error when i try to do hg clone for my card

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user_:

abort: requirement '<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ANSI_X3.4–1968"?>' not supported!

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user_:

dunno what i need

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sphery:

aputerboy: The security pin is saved in a local configuration file--there is no way to get mythfrontend to prompt for a password on startup.

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sphery:

aputerboy: the security pin is only designed to prevent random network residents from sending requests to mythbackend for the database hostname/username/password

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aputerboy:

So does that mean that I should set it to some really weird random number and don't even bother remembering it or writing it down?

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sphery:

well, you'll need it for all your hosts

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sphery:

just make sure you can find it--probably in $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml --and you don't have to write it down elsewhere

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aputerboy:

but only for the backends – right? since no place to enter it in the frontends

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sphery:

(where that's the HOME of the user running the myth app--frontend/backend/whatever)

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sphery:

frontends need it, too--they ask on startup for the info

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sphery:

or tell you to copy a config.xml from a backend

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aputerboy:

but that's my question – it is NOT asking me

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aputerboy:

i set the password in mythtv-setup, restarted mythbackend

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clever:

aputerboy: its for the upnp stuff, i just set the db/name/pw directly

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aputerboy:

but i have no problem starting the frontend on another machine

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loki_666:

hi

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loki_666:

since i activated the EIT on my dvb-c i get alot of PES Packet CRC error on StreamID=0x70

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loki_666:

any idea?

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sphery:

loki_666: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5013

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sphery:

aputerboy: if it's not preventing your frontend from connecting, all is good

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aputerboy:

i don't get it – then where is this data stored on the frontend machine since it never asked for it — so what type of security can it be?

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loki_666:

no all seems to works

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aputerboy:

or does it just use the sql password and ignore the security pin

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sphery:

aputerboy: it's not real security

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sphery:

it's just a cookie that the client must present or the backend refuses to give it db hostname/username/password

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sphery:

myth has no security mechanisms--patches appreciated

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clever:

anybody with tcpdump can probly sniff that pin number

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sphery:

yep

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clever:

or the username/pw

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clever:

probly even the user/pw from every sql connection

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sphery:

not to mention anyone with access to config.xml or mysql.txt

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clever:

and even if you secure those, the mythtv proto and telnet proto aint secure either

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clever:

this is why you plan out your LAN with a 2nd DMZ for the friends :P

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clever:

would be fairly simple to do with my layout

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clever:

add a 2nd NIC to the router and configure a 3rd Virtual LAN inside the switch

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loki_666:

does multirec work with CAM?

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loki_666:

my CAM should be able to descramble 2 stream

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aputerboy:

ok this is scarey – i stopped & started transcoding on a file a couple of times and now I have a record in my "Watch Recordings" menu but the file has DISAPPEARED

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aputerboy:

says "Recording Unavailable"

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aputerboy:

I'm using 0.22-fixes – but also just started using a Windows frontend

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aputerboy:

has anybody else had lost files? (I had just watched it, then clipped commercials and then transcoded)

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aputerboy:

I did crash mythfrontend a couple of times and restarted backend but no crashes to backend or the server

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aputerboy:

i started and stopped transcoding a couple of times from two different frontends and from mythweb

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BeowulfBC:

Thanks everyone for the help I am about 90% of the way to a really good MythTV setup

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aputerboy:

actually the status says it completed transcoding a couple of hours ago – but file is definitely missing

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justinh:

rofl "I tried randomly

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justinh:

pressing keys but that started to mess me up"

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paras:

i get this message during backend startup: UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap – no VideoStartupDir set, skipping scan. Where can i set the videostartupdir for upnp ?

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ivor:

have you got mythvideo installed?

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paras:

me ?

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paras:

no i haven't, but do i have to install it on the backend machine or on the frontend machine ?

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ivor:

its just a warning then. if you havent got mythvideo installed then you wont have a VideoStartupDir and so there are no videos to scan.

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paras:

ok

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paras:

thx

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justinh:

1138

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paras:

:)

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ivor:

justinh: got that in my "to watch" pile at the moment. need a quiet evening alone.

[11:49:00]

ivor:

used my last "free" evening for Watchmen.

[11:49:04]

justinh:

it's on my list too

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justinh:

unlike some more recent films I've mentioned before ;-)

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ivor:

havent you seen avatar yet!!! etc. :)

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justinh:

what's avatar? ;-)

[11:50:15]

ivor:

not sure. something about 7 foot flying smurfs. I think.

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justinh:

lol

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aputerboy:

justinh – i'm glad you liked my line about randomly pressing keys

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aputerboy:

(i assume you are talking about my post on the mailing list)

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justinh:

I only hope you're never in a nuclear control room

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antgel:

might be a little bit OT – my parents have some old VHS tapes which they want to digitize – can myth help with this, and if so what hardware do they need? their VHS player has composite and rgb scart out, maybe s-video as well

[11:56:54]

justinh:

antgel: no

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justinh:

antgel: best way is either rip dvds from a dvd recorder, transfer to digital using a camcorder (either via tape or direct with firewire passthrough of converted analogue)

[11:57:32]

antgel:

so it's basically a case of ignore myth for this task, just find some video capture software? you know of any suitable hardware interfaces?

[11:58:20]

justinh:

I wasted a good couple of weeks trying to get lossless-ish video capture working with a framegrabber

[11:58:35]

justinh:

found it almost impossible to get audio in sync

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antgel:

framegrabber = the hardware that connects the video in to the pc?

[11:59:09]

justinh:

a tuner card with video input & no onboard hardware encoder

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justinh:

if you have a PVR type tuner card you can play video into it & just cat the video device to an mpeg2 file directly. no messing

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justinh:

e.g. pvr150 et al

[12:00:21]

justinh:

I can strongly recommend the camcorder method

[12:00:40]

justinh:

even quite cheap DV camcorders can do analogue input & output it over firewire directly :)

[12:00:58]

justinh:

capture the firewire, turn to DVD or whatever. Badabing :-)

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antgel:

but DV cams are just still way too expensive for this application

[12:01:25]

justinh:

you don't know anybody with one?

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justinh:

likewise DVD recording :-)

[12:02:28]

justinh:

chances are the camcorder/dvd recorder method will be far superior to any crappy PC card capture anyway

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justinh:

oh, but if these VHS tapes are commercial tapes..you won't be able to use either method :D

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ivor:

cough.

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justinh:

unless they don't happen to have macrovision protection

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justinh:

but in reality they should BUY DVD replacements anyway. Tigh asses

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antgel:

probably not. so given that i'm going to ignore most of your presumably excellent advice, what's the cheapest pci card that has video / audio in? my dvb-t and dvb-s tuners don't appear to have that option ;)

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antgel:

justinh: mostly for dull family videos

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justinh:

you want a good quality copy so ask for the CHEAPEST?

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antgel:

:D

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justinh:

try & get a PVR150 on ebay

[12:05:16]

justinh:

then you don't even need include myth in the equation because believe me doing it with myth is gonna be messy

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paras:

how can i set mythtv to auto-remove commercials while transcoding ?

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justinh:

paras: you really don't wanna do that

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justinh:

not unless you manually check every cutpoint yourself first

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justinh:

better to avoid disappointment

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paras:

so it is not possible at all ? ok then, just wanted to know

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antgel:

justinh: digression – does your commercial detection work? mine never has, always assumed it was because .uk commercials are different to .us

[12:06:42]

justinh:

no it IS possible just not something I recommend

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justinh:

cos if it messes up for some reason & you miss a vital part of the recording...ooooo nasty

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ivor:

if you're prepared to spend the time tweaking you might get decent results with a USB capture dongle that takes S-Video in. after all the original vhs isn't going to be stunning resolution. capture with low compression then spend your time tweaking compression, filters, deinterlace, despeckle etc until you're happy with the qualtiy.

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paras:

i'd like to check it out, where do i configure it ?

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justinh:

antgel: all kinds of reasons,mainly that the detection methods look for patterns not prevalent in UK broadcasting

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justinh:

paras: see the wiki

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justinh:

antgel: when I still bothered with Sky One I found commflagging worked brilliantly there

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justinh:

reason was the logo detection latched onto their DOG being removed during ad breaks :-)

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justinh:

most freeview channels keep the DOG

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justinh:

myth likes fades to black too..not something we get much of (if at all) in our breaks

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ivor:

antgel: e.g. a cheap usb capture dongle. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Easycap-USB-Video-TV-DV . . . em3358ab0ba8

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justinh:

the detector also tries to look for rapid cuts – maybe too rapid for UK broadcasting rules pertaining to ads

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justinh:

ivor: unless it's coming in as mjpeg I wouldn't trust one of those as far as I could throw it :-)

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justinh:

they might very well be mjpeg though, which is pretty much what DV is

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ivor:

justinh: only gave that one as an example because I was fixing the driver for the four input version and managed to get pretty good video out of it.

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justinh:

a fiver?! Hahaha

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ivor:

its a frame grabber, so worth considering if you want to go the option of capturing yourself at full frame rate, then post processing

[12:12:27]

ivor:

exactly. cheap. it doesn't do anything clever.

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justinh:

they get uncompressed video over USB?

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ivor:

usb2

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ivor:

pal res.

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ivor:

just pointing it out. :)

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justinh:

720x576x32x25 is over 300 Mbits

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justinh:

assuming 32 bit colourspace

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antgel:

ivor: thanks, that is very interesting. although time is of the essence, not sure how much time i have to despeckle etc yadda yadda

[12:14:50]

antgel:

just want to plug it in, type some command, press play and capture!

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justinh:

I'm still looking for automagical sparklies correction

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justinh:

aka dropout noise reduction stuff

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ivor:

antgel: well if you don't want to do it properly. :)

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ivor:

just saying if I was digitizing home movies Id spend my time in post-production. :)

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justinh:

yeah I re-did a couple of bits of my old college videos

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justinh:

parts ruined by dropouts on the original tape

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ivor:

justinh: yeah I forget the exact details its been months since I played with it, but if I recall there was some sort of lossles encoding and no it wasnt 32 bit. anyways. it was certainly producing captured video at a quality equal to what I was feeding into it.

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justinh:

think I'll get me a couple just to play with

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antgel:

well, i'd /like/ to, but they rarely get watched, and i expect that this is the sort of topic on which there is much to learn, then you can tweak and tweak, and i simply just don't have the time

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antgel:

and i perhaps naively don't see how crappy vhs can be made much better, GIGO and all that

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ivor:

justinh: I just couldnt resist picking one up to play with at that price.

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justinh:

antgel: you'd be surprised

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ivor:

^ what he said.

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** justinh goes for lunchies **

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antgel:

ivor: what software did you use for the task?

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paras:

when i want to install mythweb, do i have to install it on the backend machine or the frontend machine ?

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antgel:

paras: no doubt you've read 4.1 of the mythweb install instructions

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ivor:

antgel: lots of tips – http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2003/07/cleaning.ars

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gocsp:

hello

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gocsp:

its possible to download metadata for a complete season?

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antgel:

ivor: ta

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ivor:

antgel: but as justinh said... if you just want to "get it done" quickly look for a hardware encoding card such as a 150 and just pump them through that.

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antgel:

hmm. it would appear that i know so little about this topic – the USB device ^^ doesn't encode?

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ivor:

correct. you said cheap. I give you CHEAP. :)

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antgel:

so if it doesn't encode, what does it output to the PC?

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antgel:

am i thick? (rhetorical)

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ivor:

it does next to nothing, its one end of the scale a (very) basic frame grabber. you have to do the heavy lifting and generate video using whatever tools you have to hand. at the other end of the scale you have an encoding capture card that gives you a video stream.

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ivor:

just depends what you want to do/achieve.

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antgel:

so, it outputs some raw format, which is then converted to .mpg or whatever by other tools? sounds way too complicated. wish i hadn't just bought one :D

[12:44:40]

antgel:

anyone want to buy a usb framegrabber? :P

[12:45:48]

ivor:

:P

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Dibblah:

If it's USB, it's fairly unlikely that it's outputting raw frames.

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antgel:

at that price, i can plug it in and see what happens (or not)

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** ivor regrets mentioning it now. :) **

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antgel:

\o/

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clever:

ivor: generaly, a framegrabber is meant to DMA the data right into video ram

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clever:

to watch tv in 'real time' with practicaly zero cpu usage

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patdk-wk:

hmm, raw frames are possible over usb, 147mbit out of 480mbit

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patdk-wk:

640x480x16bitx29.97

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patdk-wk:

though, I would say usb only has 300mbit of usable bandwidth

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ivor:

Dibblah: haven't got the code to hand. if I recall rightly it was just dumping out flat NV12 images.

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ivor:

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ivor:

clever: term framegrabber use to refer to a device simply grab frames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_grabber as opposed to a "video capture" card.

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justinh:

4:2:0 sampling is more than adequate for VHS capture.. or indeed any PAL/NTSC :)

[13:25:59]

ivor:

justinh: hence I think one of my very first comments... I was impressed with the quality of image at the price. :)

[13:26:36]

ivor:

and for me "worth getting just to play with" :)

[13:27:10]

ivor:

although I admit I did have to write the driver to support it.

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justinh:

which chip does it use?

[13:27:26]

ivor:

stk1160

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justinh:

heh never heard of it

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justinh:

Syntek. Bleugh

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ivor:

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justinh:

never heard of them either but they just *sound* bleugh

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ivor:

so... mythtv.

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justinh:

wossat then?

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ivor:

a cunning almost imperceptable attempt to reattach channel to topic.

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clever:

ivor: maybe you could mod the driver to work in mythtv

[13:31:58]

ivor:

or I could stab myself with a pencil.

[13:32:15]

clever:

that might be more fun

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** justinh wonders how many cameras zoneminder could crunch with only a 2000XP CPU **

[13:33:48]

clever:

http://www.fh-friedberg.de/fachbereiche/e2/te . . . beginnzi.htm

[13:34:01]

clever:

damn, i have tabs open in firefox from months ago

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clever:

this is back when i was working on a multirec like patch for a pvr150

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ivor:

justinh: On an XP1800, six cameras at CIF 5fps. 25% cpu.

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justinh:

that 5fps per camera?

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ivor:

yeah. just playing around with it at the moment.

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ivor:

justinh: but I'll use a faster machine and higher rate/res next. just happened to have an old motherboard lying around.... and it was either that one or one of the VIAs! :)

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

somehow I don't think a C3 chip would make a very good CCTV cruncher ;-)

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justinh:

gah, this stupid blimmin system. it has a bootloader in flash, which then loads another loader, which then runs & loads the main app

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justinh:

once the main app is loaded the java web apps take over :-\

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justinh:

takes this particular CCTV system about 4 minutes to fully boot

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paras:

why can't i switch teletext on ? is my videocard (hauppauge wintv 34xxx) too old ?

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justinh:

weren't you saying last night how you've seen it working in other apps?

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paras:

me ? yes

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paras:

but i guess the apps were not accessing it through zvbi library

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justinh:

if it works in other apps maybe you've done something wrong with mythtv config

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justinh:

or maybe there's a bug in teletext handling in 0.22

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justinh:

I dunno, I've never cared for teletext & now the UK doesn't have any :D

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paras:

the only 2 things you can set concerning videotext/vbi are in mythtv-setup, the vbi device and the videotext standard, which i set correctly

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paras:

mplayer doesn't show teletext, too

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paras:

i really dont know where to look for help anymore

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justinh:

is it life or death important?

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justinh:

I mean can you make do without it?

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paras:

sure

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justinh:

MHEG stuff is pretty neat. I'll never miss VBI TT :)

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patdk-wk:

I always hated vbitt

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trumee:

guys, anybody using mythbrowser?

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justinh:

probably. what's up?

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trumee:

I went to gmail.com in mythbrowser. The textbox does not accept letter 'r'.

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justinh:

lol

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trumee:

also, the text box is dark blue and any text is not very clear.

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justinh:

that's set by the theme you're using

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justinh:

least in 0.22 it is

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trumee:

since the text is in black colour (over blue colour background)

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justinh:

better than black on black though eh

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trumee:

ok, i changed the theme. the colour is better. but it doesnt accept the letter 'r'?

[14:05:24]

trumee:

also 'q' doesnt work either

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justinh:

you messed with xmodmap by any chance?

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trumee:

no, i did not

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justinh:

or otherwise bollocked about with X keyboard mapping to make your remote work?

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patdk-wk:

or does the r and q just not work on that keyboard

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trumee:

no.

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trumee:

patdk-wk: they work fine.

[14:07:22]

trumee:

patdk-wk: it is just inside mythbrowser that r/q stop working

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trumee:

q is working as a Tab inside mythbrowser.

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justinh:

maybe your keybindings are screwed somehow

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trumee:

i tried another FE. 'q' is working on another system as well

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trumee:

justinh: any way i can list the keys?

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justinh:

select * from keybindings where context="Browser";

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justinh:

or look in mythcontrols on that frontend

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trumee:

justinh: aha!, R is set as HistoryBack. is this a default in mythbrowser?

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trumee:

and 'Q' is set as PreviousLink.

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justinh:

I dunno. how many hostnames does it list when you do that? ;-)

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7363

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trumee:

justinh: so it is a bug.

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justinh:

might not be

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trumee:

justinh: should i remove keysbindings from mythbrowser then?

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trumee:

is it possible to print in mythbrowser

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justinh:

what does the manual say? LOL

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trumee:

justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythBrowser doesnt mention print

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justinh:

there you go then

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justinh:

wonder how many televisions have printers situated nearby anyway

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[Peter]:

network printer? :)

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justinh:

the whole *point* of a cut-down browser for a tv based app is that it's *cut* *down*

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[Peter]:

pretty common these days

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justinh:

if you want a full-blown browsing app, USE ONE

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trumee:

well. the FE is in the living room is the only computer in the house. i can hide a printer in the closet and use it when necessary.

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justinh:

how can it be the only computer in the house? You can't just have one frontend

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justinh:

unless you mean it's a complete myth system in one box

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justinh:

sigh. so bring printing to mythbrowser, what next? Mythtv becomes a distro in itself eventually?

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mag0o:

you mean its not? :)

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justinh:

I dunno, if some users had their own way it'll get everything *and* the bloody kitchen sink

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justinh:

they seem to want the moon on a frickin stick

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Essobi:

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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justinh:

not to mention a 3D system you need to wear stupid goggles to use :D

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justinh:

EUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

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justinh:

whoops. some muppet on the mythtvtalk forum asking for users to swap recordings with him. Shopped to 'the man'

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mag0o:

haha, you show me yours and i'll show you mine?

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justinh:

something like that. wants to share educational programming

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hackman:

Is there no scheduling option for "first run only" (skip reruns) ?

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justinh:

yeah but it only works if your guide data supports it

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jams:

justinh- I thought you gave up on mythtvtalk. burned your bridges , destroyed your login & etc

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justinh:

like here I just can't resist going back

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justinh:

they're so helpless there :)

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jams:

yeah that forum just couldn't hold my attention

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syamajala:

hmm

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syamajala:

if i run mythfrontend on my backend, sound works

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syamajala:

but it doesn't work on my other frontends

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syamajala:

it used to work

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jams:

hi GreyFoxx !

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justinh:

thank gawd for that. Didn't need like getting my information press out

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justinh:

ooo. my net worth is almost two grand & it's not even pay day

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loki_666:

does mythtv renew DVB CAM access rights?

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justinh:

you don't half ask some tough questions, you

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justinh:

I think you might have to wait a while for an answer to that one

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justinh:

not knowing what the code does I'd assume it negotiates for every recording instance

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anykey_:

loki_666: yes it does

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loki_666:

anykey_, ok

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aputerboy:

I messed up my mythconverg database so I went back to my last good backup from mythtv 0.21. When I ran mythtv-setup with that older database restored, I got the error "Couldn't upgrade database to new schema"

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loki_666:

other question; i'm getting epg through eit, but for only 2 days in advance

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loki_666:

is there a way to tell the box to wakeup fo an hour every night?

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aputerboy:

On the GUI the option to exit/upgrade flashed up briefly and disappeared leaving the above error on my terminal

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justinh:

loki_666: possibly all your provider gives out

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justinh:

aputerboy: something tells me something went wrong when you restored the old database

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justinh:

if you just did a flat import of the old sql that was probably it

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aputerboy:

Note to restore the old version I tried both a manual "mysql -u root -p mythconverg < backup.sql"

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justinh:

better if you drop the database & restore the oldone completely

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aputerboy:

i tried that

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justinh:

as in "drop database mythconverg" ?

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aputerboy:

I also tried mythconverg_restore.pl and it said restore was successful

[16:10:09]

aputerboy:

yes as in drop database mythconverg

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justinh:

so this backup.. when exactly was it taken?

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justinh:

before you upgraded?

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aputerboy:

followed by create database mythconverg

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justinh:

and how on Earth did the database get screwed up anyway?

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aputerboy:

the backup was taken in mid december

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aputerboy:

got screwed up because I did a dumbass thing like restoring program data from myth-021 version onto settings data of a 022 version

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justinh:

more random button stabbing? :D

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justinh:

whoops

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aputerboy:

more like more random mysql playing around before i knew what i was doing

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aputerboy:

but I can fix that if I can get my old db to restore since then I can upgrade the tables and import them

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jams:

well guess GreyFoxx isn't there..must have been his cat that signed in

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aputerboy:

any thoughts on what might be going wrong and why mythconverg_restore would say restore successful but mythtv-setup fails

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aputerboy:

the only relevant messages I see are "Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer) : 1214 [repeated 5 times]

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aputerboy:

followed by "Timed out waiting"

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aputerboy:

followed by "Database Backup Complete" ...

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aputerboy:

then "Couldn't upgrade database to new schema"

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raceme:

aputerboy: i've add this kinf of problems with frontends trying to upgrade schemas of mythtv plugins not installed on the backend (for eg, myth video installed on frontend and not installed on backend)

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raceme:

aputerboy: i resolved that by installing missing plugin on backend, and launching a frontend on it (instead a remote one) that did the upgrade

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aputerboy:

weird – running 'mythbackend' seems to have upgraded the schema and now mythtv-setup works

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syamajala:

hmm

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syamajala:

still no sound on remote frontends

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wagnerrp:

aputerboy: mythtv-setup has the same exact capacity to update the schema as mythbackend

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aputerboy:

i know – but not sure why it worked on mythbackend but failed on mythtv-setup

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aputerboy:

this happened multiple times

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aputerboy:

anyway – i was able to "unjumble" my mixed 0.21 program data tables and 0.22 settings table mixup

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aputerboy:

I did that by extracting the still 0.21 schemad program tables from my latest database; inserting them into an old pure 0.21 backup; then upgraded the schema on that now pure 0.21 backup to 0.22 schema; then imported the program tables into my mixed version to write over the bad tables

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aputerboy:

wasn't too difficult and seems to have fixed everything — and i learned some lessons

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Dubstar_04:

has anyone made a grabber for mythnetvision yet?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux has.. seven of 'em ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: your too fast for me;)

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Dubstar_04:

do you know any tricks for getting full screen flash?

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justinh:

turn the telly off & back on rapidly?

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iamlindoro:

No tricks, just needs to be supported by whatever API you're querying

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: thanks, helpful as always!

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syamajala:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

Maybe down the road we'll get clever and pass in a coordinate value for where a full screen button is on the player, but for now it would need to be supported in the API/URL building

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Dubstar_04:

i can get the url and play the video in its own window but the user still needs to click the full screenbutton

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jams:

being c lever is generally not a good thing to aspire to.

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wagnerrp:

well thats annoying.... tightvnc wont pass mouse wheel events when the window is left of coordinate zero

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iamlindoro:

jams: Heh, the classic definition, not the channel one :)

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syamajala:

no idea what happened to the sound

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Dubstar_04:

heres the url i have so far (uk only im afraid)

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Dubstar_04:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00q2s43

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wagnerrp:

seems thats all up to you for debugging

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iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04: US here, so I just get a rejection page

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iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04: But glad to see you working on it

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iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04: When you have something you think works, shoot it to me and I'll test it/comment and if you're in the ballpark I'll get you a copy of the code to play with

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Dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: thanks. Im excited for MNV and iplayer is one of the main things i want to use it with but the only way for it to work as i want violates the terms of the bbc!!

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aputerboy:

What is the record_tmp table? Is it just a legacy of previous badness – and if so is there a way to merge it back in? or should I delete it?

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wagnerrp:

i believe its a temporary tables used for the scheduler

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wagnerrp:

if its not hurting anything, why delete it?

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aputerboy:

ok – i thought it might be a legacy of corruption and if so wanted to fix it – but if normal table then of course I will leave it alone

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: why not contact somebody in BBC technical & see if y'all can collaborate

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syamajala:

mythbuntu is frustrating

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: i think they would want to work with someone more competent then i!!

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: have a read here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/1 . . . roducts.html

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justinh:

"We will define a media playback API that will allow 3rd parties to play the iPlayer media assets."

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justinh:

and "The API uses the ongoing work in the W3C HTML working group, for playing video and audio. Third parties can now use the APIs to interface to their media players"

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iamlindoro:

I think a real iPlayer grabber using their API is probably a reasonable expectation for the near future

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iamlindoro:

assuming it becomes available soonish

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iamlindoro:

or even not-soonish, assuming people still have an interest when it becomes available

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justinh:

lol. take that as an utter given I think :)

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justinh:

oh the iPlayer? Nah.. maybe a fortnight ago but not now :P

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I meant more that I hope interest in/momentum for MNV doesn't fizzle

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CShadowRun:

Anyone know how to fix EIT/Channel numbers with freesat?

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iamlindoro:

A couple of the past plugins were more "easy" in some ways through a combination of hacky code and stely stuff

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iamlindoro:

er stealy

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iamlindoro:

This plugin has some warts still, but does things "right", will just need time to mature and grow too

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Lt_Dan:

a (hopefully) quick question... is the db schema and myth protocol frozen in the -fixes branch? for various reasons, i have a mixed distribution environment and wanted to know if i had to keep the rev's the same like i did when i was running trunk

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justinh:

no it's not

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iamlindoro:

yes, DB schema and protocol will remain constant in a release

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justinh:

technically you should always run the same version I mean

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iamlindoro:

^^ Agreed

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Lt_Dan:

that's what i figured, too.

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|jonas|:

What does this mean: 2010-01–12 18:55:47.414 [h264_vdpau @ 0x7fe02a3e09c0]non-existing SPS 32 referenced in buffering period

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Lt_Dan:

i'm mostly *buntu, but have a couple gentoo and fedora's i'd like to join the party--i'll do source installs to match the *buntu rev, then.

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Lt_Dan:

thx

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dubstar_04_:

iamlindoro: would mnv call a c++ grabber?

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iamlindoro:

Sure, anything that's executable and follows the standards is fine

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iamlindoro:

compiled code, python, perl, whatever, so long as it conforms to the grabber standard

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dubstar_04_:

that should make things a little easier

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ivor:

|jonas|: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=non-existing+SPS+32+referenced+

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Dagmar:

Finally a few days with nothing to record so I can upgrade

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jst:

Does anyone know how to remove "custom identifier" preferences? I have so many, and it's getting hard to keep track of them.

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jst:

I know they're stored in the database somewhere, I'd just like to be able to remove them and start fresh.

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wagnerrp:

they should only require 'keeping track of' if youre tinkering in the database

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wagnerrp:

and if youre doing that, you should already know enough sql to blast them away

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jst:

wagnerrp, no, I have several machines and some are dual-booting and I have many different names for different preferences

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jst:

I just check the "custom identifier" box and pick a name and reconfigure when something screws up.

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jst:

I have no idea how to remove them from the database manually.

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wagnerrp:

i thought you had to manually type those in

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wagnerrp:

or are you more worried about reusing something accidentally?

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jst:

yes, reusing something

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jst:

but also i have a lot of unnecessary entries in the database now

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wagnerrp:

i that case... 'delete from settings where hostname="whatever";'

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jst:

Do I do this under mysqladmin?

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wagnerrp:

under whatever program you like

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wagnerrp:

ive never used mysqladmin

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jst:

What program do you use?

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jst:

Sorry, I'm a total n00b when it comes to databases. :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: ping, pm

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patdk-wk:

hmm, isn't that for mysql, or mysql-querybrowser

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

I found me a bug!

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** Dagmar gets excited **

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Dagmar:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7899 <-- yes I was in a hurry

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robertj:

iamlindoro, your theorization was correct, I did get HD locals on the limited-basic from charter

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robertj:

I've never seen an OTA broadcast on a good set so I can't be sure, but I'm thinking the picture quality is fairly ratty though

[19:18:18]

robertj:

and quality varied a _ton_ between shows even on the same network

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iamlindoro:

robertj: Yep, birate shaping is done dynamically, so will vary substantially

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robertj:

iamlindoro, quality goes from "almost blu-ray" to "barely better than youtube"

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robertj:

oddly enough we get ESPN & ESPN2 HD on our limited-basic

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iamlindoro:

nice

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robertj:

I still don't know all my channels cus I can't find the no-box channel lineup

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robertj:

I assume some programming guide will figure that out once I get my TV tuner in

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So, as an official dev now, you know you're contractually obligated to provide MythUI bindings, right? :)

[19:21:30]

wagnerrp:

erm... sure

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wagnerrp:

how about you tell me when theyre finished

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wagnerrp:

(the UI updates that is)

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wagnerrp:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Don't overwhelm me with your excitement, buddy

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iamlindoro:

Cool it with the can-do attitude and eagerness to get right to work

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wagnerrp:

ill probably look into that once 0.23 is out

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iamlindoro:

slick. I wonder how much PyQt might help with that

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wagnerrp:

probably not a whole lot

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Dagmar:

Wow. I've got a lot of codecs to rebuild

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Dagmar:

sanity check... seeking with flowplayer in mythweb isn't supposed to work yet is it?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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Dagmar:

Okay cool.

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Dagmar:

I was in a hurry so the patch I just submitted on it reeks of "I USE WIN7 HARHAR" but I wanted to be sure I hadn't broken something else

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to rewrite my cflags constructor

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jst:

robertj, schedulesdirect.org should have everything you need.

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Dagmar:

Turns out I can't just unset PKG_OPTLEVEL like I thought

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Dagmar:

Stupid bash having no concept of nonexistant variables

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xris:

Dagmar: seeking of any kind doesn't work without some serious mucking with the flv file. can't be done on the fly

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Given any though to how to open public voting on themes in a few weeks?

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iamlindoro:

Which is I guess to say, can you help set something up to do public voting on themes in a few weeks? :)

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Cubber:

why does my frontend on the same pc as my backend only disply shows that I setup to record on that frontend,where as the other frontends that I have on other laptops see all the recordings in the list.

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Cubber:

So if I setup a recording on a laptop that is a remote frontend the local frontend that is on the same box as the backend will not display them in its watch list

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JEDIDIAH__:

"watch list" or "all recordings"?

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sphery:

heh, a magazine for gbee and stuarta: http://www.magazines.com/product/stuart-magaz . . . htswod7Wy7vg

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mattwj2002:

hi room

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** mattwj2002 starts to protests **

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mattwj2002:

http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0110/694966.html

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mattwj2002:

the US is considering to end over the air free tv!

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Dagmar:

Dude, don't.

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Dagmar:

That TV station is just sensationalizing.

[19:58:35]

Dagmar:

There's about as much accuracy there as saying a man with a lighter is thinking about burning down a school.

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mattwj2002:

I am not going to protest for real....just joking

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mattwj2002:

I have seen commercials on my local tv station as well

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sphery:

if the government starts paying people's cable/satellite bills, that may be the final straw that convinces me to find a new country

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iamlindoro:

you're already all the way at the edge of this one

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sphery:

yeah, that's so I can make my quick escape

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iamlindoro:

and swim to Kooba?

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mattwj2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_television

[20:01:40]

mattwj2002:

Wikipedia mentions it too

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: sure, poke me this weekend if I don't get back to ya before then

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: awesome

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mattwj2002:

O_o

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Probably doesn't have to be any more fancy than thumbnail/download link, 1–5 numerical vote on a few categories, and some tabulation of results

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wagnerrp:

Sandje: if youre working from source, you should probably be using 0.22-fixes from subversion, rather than the release package

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Sandje:

hi,anybody can tell me why i cant install mythtv on pclinuxos, i downloaded the latest bz2 and i'm running the ./configure and i get an error

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iamlindoro:

and a failure to even complete configure suggests you are missing dependencies

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Sandje:

ok wagnerrp ty i'll try that

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iamlindoro:

Suspect very few people have tried to compile Myth on PCLinuxOS, since very few people even use it, let alone with Myth

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Sandje:

hehe, probabbly not realy know lol

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iamlindoro:

The truth is with such a non-standard distro, it's going ot be very hard for anyone here to be able to tell you what you are missing dependency-wise

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ivor:

although there do seem to be quite a few blogs on the subject.... http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pclinuxos+mythtv

[20:21:51]

ivor:

probably a good starting point.

[20:21:55]

iamlindoro:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

though the many referencing the 2007 version may be of limited use :)

[20:23:08]

ivor:

I think I mentioned something about "a good starting point" :D

[20:23:30]

skd5aner:

is there anyway to see how a priority was computed for an upcoming recording?

[20:23:38]

Sandje:

actualy its the first time i use pclinuxos, i used alot of other linux distro's before: rehat,fedora,suse,ubuntu

[20:24:05]

skd5aner:

I'm curious if I can easily see how the recording rule, tuner priority, channel priority, etc are computed for a specific rule

[20:24:06]

ivor:

but they all worked so you needed a different one?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Not without reading the scheduler code-- the computation of what will record is decidedly non-trivial

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: you can look at recording priorities stuff and see some parts of the calculation

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iamlindoro:

ie Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Recording Priorities

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: There is also a very very long discussion of how recording priority is calculated in the documentation

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Sandje:

thx for the help annyway

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Sandje:

seeye

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Cubber:

JEDIDIAH__ All recordings sorry had to go afk for a few

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sphery:

skd5aner: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html (what iamlindoro said)

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sphery:

everything you ever wanted to know about scheduling and priorities

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sphery:

and, seemingly, far more than every other Myth user cares to know about it (as no one ever seems to read it)

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skd5aner:

Conan O'Brien just announced he's leaving NBC over the whole Leno fiasco

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iamlindoro:

good for him, he should

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skd5aner:

agreed

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro, sphery: re priorities, yup – I've re-read the docs/wiki/email archives, I've got a good idea of "how" it gets computed and where the data comes from, I just wasn't sure if it was transparent/exposed in a UI... thx

[20:36:50]

sphery:

yeah, closest is the recording priorities page iamlindoro mentioned

[20:36:51]

iamlindoro:

"sorta" on the rec priorities pages

[20:37:08]

iamlindoro:

also depends on how the page is themed... it's quite clear in Arclight ;)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: Conan's statement is true Conan style: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/state . . . 117289.shtml

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skd5aner:

"People of Earth" :D

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: damn you for "theme-teasing" ;)

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iamlindoro:

Oh I'll give you theme teasing

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MV_Arclight.png

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skd5aner:

haha – theme lust

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight_PBB.png

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skd5aner:

looks much nicer than one of the older ones I saw (not that it looked bad then, just saying – good progress)

[20:42:51]

skd5aner:

also – I guess I have a real quick (and probably dumb) question about Graphite...

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm I was gonna look at the mythfs stuff but it looks like I don't have a fuse module for python

[20:43:24]

skd5aner:

when I create a recording rule through the UI, I get a lot of truncation on some of the lists, making it almost impossilbe to distinguish between options

[20:43:30]

skd5aner:

is that a font problem?

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iamlindoro:

impossible to know without seeing

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harry_:

heya all

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harry_:

question: i have a mkv movie and a srt subs file

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iamlindoro:

but in theory it's probably just a string which overruns the space available, that's just something that happens

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harry_:

i used t to eable them in the interhal player

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harry_:

butt they are out of sync

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harry_:

how do i adjust that?

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skd5aner:

but it's probably safe to say that it's not "normal" for the list of recording options "record at any time on channel, record at any time on this channel, etc" to be truncated?

[20:46:15]

skd5aner:

many of those options are difficult to distinguish because the text overuns the box

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JEDIDIAH__:

...I had a similar problem with avi's and external srts. Going out of sync.

[20:46:23]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: More likely I just didn't care enough about them to write a custom widget for strings that long

[20:46:53]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: and blew by them thinking, "Someday we'll have autoscrolling text or be able to cutdown from the front instead of the back and someone will fix this"

[20:46:57]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ok, if it was a problem on my end, then I wanted to fix it – if it was a theme problem, I'll deal with it

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harry_:

JEDIDIAH__: they are not out fo sync

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harry_:

well.. they are not going out of sync

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skd5aner:

thx

[20:47:18]

harry_:

it's just the start offset is wrong

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JEDIDIAH__:

my problem is different.

[20:49:20]

harry_:

is there a sollution ?

[20:49:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

I usually use an external app for mythvideo so this doesn't bother me so much...

[20:49:39]

harry_:

there is an audio sync, video, but no subs?

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: on the fuse stuff, I'm hoping to (let wagnerrp :) get that in contrib, then change mythrename.pl so that it /only/ does links (so we can close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4932 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7535 since we really have no control over the file system itself.

[20:50:00]

harry_:

i can't use an external player, since it's hd

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harry_:

and i use the vdpau which, apparently is not used by mplayer

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sphery:

The only rename support I plan to leave is a rename to "standard" names (i.e. to fix the brokenness people caused when they originally renamed)

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JEDIDIAH__:

there's a vdpau version of mplayer floating around. There's an Ubuntu PPA for it.

[20:51:20]

JEDIDIAH__:

one for xine too I think. but it doesn't know how to handle m2ts files.

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wagnerrp:

i thought the vdpau stuff was in mplayer proper by now

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iamlindoro:

it is

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JEDIDIAH__:

it must be in the SVN versions even if it isn't in normal distro binary packages yet.

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wagnerrp:

man... ive forgotten just how long fresh svn checkouts of mythtv take

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: neat

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta go looking for the source to the python-fuse or whatever module so I can install and try it :)

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sphery:

cool.. If you find it's "out of reach" for a lot of users, please let me know--so I can amend my plan. :)

[20:58:07]

wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: ive actually had it running for well over a week now

[20:58:19]

wagnerrp:

every so often i seems to glitch, and i have to close and re-open the file

[20:58:29]

wagnerrp:

but it seems pretty stable

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GreyFoxx:

Cool.

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GreyFoxx:

is the python fuse stuff a seperately available set of source outside of the regular fuse source ?

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wagnerrp:

its just a python API to access the fuse stuff, you still have to have fuse and the fuse kernel module installed

[21:00:37]

GreyFoxx:

I have fuse and such

[21:00:42]

GreyFoxx:

just no fuse.py anywhere :)

[21:02:01]

wagnerrp:

right now, the only significant issues are that you have to close all instances of the file to let the python bindings refresh the size on a mythproto file transfer, and that it doesnt work very well with multiple simultaneous reads on multiple files

[21:02:52]

wagnerrp:

as it stands, the bindings take a file size given by mythbackend at the beginning of the transfer, and use that as a static end of the file

[21:03:21]

wagnerrp:

i should add in a 'CHECKFILE' to update the size if you try to seek past the current endpoint

[21:04:01]

wagnerrp:

whats this multimedia message on the -users list?

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sphery:

multimedia?

[21:04:48]

wagnerrp:

like someone tried to send an SMS message to the mailing list

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GreyFoxx:

http://fuse4win.4host.ru/

[21:04:54]

GreyFoxx:

that could be interesting :P)

[21:04:55]

sphery:

ahhh

[21:05:07]

sphery:

pocket-texting, perhaps?

[21:06:11]

sphery:

"This is Flavor Flav."

[21:06:37]

wagnerrp:

you can read it? my webmail just returns an error

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Way to beray the fact that you watch commercials ;)

[21:07:56]

iamlindoro:

er betray

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wagnerrp:

i would say he just watches the surreal life... but no broadcast VH1

[21:10:01]

iamlindoro:

He's specifically referencing a commercial-- a phone commercial

[21:10:14]

iamlindoro:

Though that calls me into question since I've seen it too ;)

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JEDIDIAH__:

You mean you guys just aren't PE fans? '-)

[21:15:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

you know that commflagging code is pretty darn good...

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: Any chance I could get a copy of your fuse.py ? it doesn't seem to like the one I just installed :)

[21:17:19]

wagnerrp:

whats the error?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1748809

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wagnerrp:

ive just got 'py26-fusefs-0.2_1' installed

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GreyFoxx:

I used http://code.google.com/p/fusepy/

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wagnerrp:

ive got one from sourceforge... http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FusePython

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GreyFoxx:

go, Ok, got a littler further using the first one in that list

[21:23:08]

GreyFoxx:

which could be me just having an old version of python

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wagnerrp:

should work on 2.5

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1748819

[21:23:33]

GreyFoxx:

ok, I have 2.5.1

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wagnerrp:

but there may be syntactical issues with 2.4 or earlier

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, sometimes I listen to commercials--after all, they're the perfect time to go get your snack from the kitchen

[21:24:50]

wagnerrp:

try using this one instead of the one on trac... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/rewrite.tar.bz2

[21:25:15]

wagnerrp:

although like i said, its been running for about a week and a half, i may have changed something that broke it

[21:25:39]

wagnerrp:

ill remount them and see what happens

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GreyFoxx:

Same error during the make install of the bindings

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GreyFoxx:

using the one you just posted

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GreyFoxx:

byte-compiling /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythTV/MythBase.py to MythBase.pyc

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GreyFoxx:

File "usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythTV/MythBase.py", line 1172

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GreyFoxx:

ALL = 0b1111111111111111111111111111

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GreyFoxx:

^

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GreyFoxx:

SyntaxError: invalid syntax

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wagnerrp:

should be 'python setup.py install'

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GreyFoxx:

same

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GreyFoxx:

error that is

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skd5aner:

why would a recoding rule "record at any time on any channel" simultaneous record something on an HD source and an SD source?

[21:28:02]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: because those two entries in the guide data do not match

[21:28:13]

skd5aner:

title is the same, progid is the same,

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GreyFoxx:

description could be different? Airing date could be different? even an extra space could throw it off

[21:28:41]

skd5aner:

Episode number is the same

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skd5aner:

Of course, it's a rule I'd rather blast away, but the wife might be a bit t'd off

[21:29:37]

skd5aner:

program description is the same

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** GreyFoxx looks at the clock and things it's time to go home **

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GreyFoxx:

thinks even

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: looks like that syntax for binary literals started in 2.6

[21:29:56]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: ahhh ok

[21:30:00]

wagnerrp:

ill have to replace them with "int('whatever', 2)"

[21:30:17]

GreyFoxx:

if you update it anytime soon I'd love to check it out

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JEDIDIAH__:

any chance of getting a "one at a time" restriction for recording rules?

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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wagnerrp:

'one at a time'?

[21:30:59]

wagnerrp:

like only match one of a specific rule at a time

[21:31:12]

JEDIDIAH__:

to deal with the "simultaneous record something on an HD source and an SD source" problem.

[21:31:32]

wagnerrp:

you can force one channel

[21:31:38]

wagnerrp:

or you can record one a day/week

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JEDIDIAH__:

or just as a tweak so that one show doesn't "take over".

[21:32:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

"one a day" is fine for certain things.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: out of curiousity, is there any way to see why the scheduler thinks they are unique?

[21:33:02]

skd5aner:

ps – datasource is SD

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wagnerrp:

look at the title, subtitle, and description, and see whats different

[21:33:20]

skd5aner:

all the obvious signs to me show that they are the same

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JEDIDIAH__:

when I've seen this happen it's been an OTA lineup versus a cable one.

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, they may both have a show id defined, differently

[21:33:55]

wagnerrp:

episode id will override all other matching if given

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skd5aner:

If I had it my way, I'd have American Idol record 0 times, definitely not 2 times. Maybe my scheduler is confused and needs guidance

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wagnerrp:

PEWSOSO?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: lost me on that one?

[21:38:26]

wagnerrp:

problem-exists-with-spouse-or-significant-other

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wagnerrp:

play on PEBKAC

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skd5aner:

haha – yea, but she's not open source, so I have no clue how her code is written

[21:39:23]

wagnerrp:

thats possibly the geekiest thing ive ever heard someone say in here

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skd5aner:

eh – "when in Rome" ;)

[21:40:28]

skd5aner:

let me show you a pastebin of the list schedules – see if you can spot somethign I can't?

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skd5aner:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1748834

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skd5aner:

from mythweb

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: whenever you get back, ive replaced those literals with something that should work in 2.5.... same link to file

[21:43:37]

wagnerrp:

is that 'HDTV' part of the show description? or something mythweb tacked on?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: checking

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xris:

probably mythweb

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skd5aner:

xris: that was my guess, but you're the expert :)

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ivor:

<OT> heh freesat iplayer is pretty neat.</OT>

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skd5aner:

the HDTV flag comes from the videoprop column in the programs table

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skd5aner:

I don't think it's used to distinguish standard recording rules

[21:54:54]

skd5aner:

well, there's also a HDTV column as well, which is boolean

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skd5aner:

found all the records in the program table, all are identical as far as I can see

[22:00:50]

skd5aner:

dump from the database: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1748867

[22:02:00]

wagnerrp:

maybe you have duplicate checking turned off?

[22:02:04]

skd5aner:

found hte problem

[22:02:20]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that's what it was, duplicate checking was turned off :P

[22:02:25]

skd5aner:

doh!

[22:02:34]

skd5aner:

no clue why...

[22:02:52]

skd5aner:

I don't know if I've ever changed that box on a single recording rule in 6 years of use?

[22:03:16]

skd5aner:

we'll call it a PWESOSO problem ;)

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wagnerrp:

problem-was-entirely?

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skd5aner:

haha – sure, that works too

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skd5aner:

thanks for the second pair of eyes

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iamlindoro:

jams: Would it offend you or bother you if I do the port of your settings plugin? This thread is irritating me

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wagnerrp:

why use a plugin, when we have bash!

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iamlindoro:

especially as people are commenting on how they're going to use the stupid bash script for their next rebuild

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JEDIDIAH__:

bash scripts... borg or replicators?

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JEDIDIAH__:

'-)

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jams:

iamlindoro- it's not a plugin, it wouldn't bother me, that patch is outdated.

[22:21:49]

iamlindoro:

jams: If I wait for you to do it, how long are you thinking before you'll have a chance?

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jams:

well it was next on the list after mythsmolt..so a week or so(depending on work)

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iamlindoro:

OK, will probably leave it to you then

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iamlindoro:

Since you at least know the code to begin with

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jams:

k

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wagnerrp:

smolt?

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iamlindoro:

Would be nice to get it in for .23 if possible

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jams:

for now I think it's best to list the settings difference only on the cmd line

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_ben:

Yeah, 0.23 must be coming up soon :p

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iamlindoro:

Freeze is 2/1

[22:24:29]

jams:

never came up with a good way to show it in a gui

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wagnerrp:

end of february

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_ben:

oh

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skd5aner:

mythfish?

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timball:

that's a dbl fucking boo

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timball:

what dir do i have to put my videos to show up in the "Media Library"->Watch Videos menu?

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wagnerrp:

watch the language

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skd5aner:

timball – watch language please

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timball:

wagnerrp: yeah sry that was a mis paste

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wagnerrp:

you put the videos in the folder you told it you put the videos

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wagnerrp:

either through the 'Videos' storage group in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

or through the video folder in the mythvideo setup section of mythfrontend

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timball:

mythvideo setup.... hrm... where's that

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iamlindoro:

See wiki page above

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wagnerrp:

in the frontend, under setup, media settings

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timball:

OH! thanks! that's a totally non-intuative place to put that setting

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timball:

but found it!

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wagnerrp:

under settings?

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wagnerrp:

would never think to look there...

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timball:

well i thought it would be in the video Manager

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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wagnerrp:

as the video manager no longer exists

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sphery:

0.22 still has it in the menus, doesn't it?

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sphery:

even though it's useless

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wagnerrp:

only as a separate view

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sphery:

right

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wagnerrp:

its no longer accessible through setup

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sphery:

thought it was in 0.22

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wagnerrp:

i dont think so, but i could be wrong

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wagnerrp:

i dont have a copy of 0.22 to look at

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sphery:

either way, it's useless :)

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sphery:

would be better if it's not in 0.22

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wagnerrp:

3?

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iamlindoro:

it's not in .22

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iamlindoro:

I pulled it

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sphery:

I know it's not in trunk

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sphery:

cool... pulled it because of all the problems from people trying to use it in 0.22?

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timball:

hrm... nothing still shows up in the video manager. could mythtv not understand .avi extensions?

[22:34:02]

sphery:

i.e. it's still in the *bunut pre-release version that people /need/ to upgrade?

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sphery:

timball: read the page...

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timball:

wagnerrp: it's whatever the latest mythubntu is

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sphery:

the part about scanning

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wagnerrp:

timball: have you read that page? specifically where it tells you to scan?

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iamlindoro:

It is probably in the "Mythbuntu 9.10 .22 that's not .22"

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timball:

Oh... damn

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wagnerrp:

timball: have you updated mythtv from what comes stock in mythbuntu? they shipped witha release candidate

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sphery:

iamlindoro is way too fast--I was barely started typing that

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sphery:

timball: you should upgrade to current 0.22-fixes

[22:34:57]

sphery:

there are a lot of, er, fixes in there

[22:35:09]

timball:

will doing an apt-get update && upgrade get it?

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sphery:

the version you have is a pre-release version that needs upgrading to be stable/work properly :)

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iamlindoro:

not unless you enable their fixes build repository first

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timball:

okay

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iamlindoro:

www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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iamlindoro:

(IIRC)

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patdk-wk:

the only thing that bothers me is that the ppa is like updated daily

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patdk-wk:

wish there was like a monthly option :)

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wagnerrp:

ppa?

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patdk-wk:

ppa is what ubuntu calls a pre-release package

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sphery:

patdk-wk: (I don't know *buntu/apt/..., but) can you just update it once to a stable version, then leave it for a month without getting daily nags?

[22:37:52]

patdk-wk:

or, testing package :)

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patdk-wk:

sphery, you will only get nagged if you attempt to do any other update :)

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sphery:

personal package archive?

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patdk-wk:

like to install security patchs

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patdk-wk:

unless you disable it

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clever:

sphery: you can control how often it checks for updates, and you could just turn that off and manauly check

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timball:

which version of mythTV should i use? 0.22 or 0.23? (i'm gonna guess 0.23 w/ the assumption that newer is *always* better)

[22:38:50]

sphery:

ah, cool... so it seems it should allow you to update, if it works today, then not worry about updating 'til you feel it's time

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sphery:

timball: 0.22

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sphery:

0.23 doesn't exist

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skd5aner:

do the ubuntu folks plan to pack .22-fixes for the next version of ubuntu (10.04)? Or do you think they'll go with .23 (trunk, release, or fixes)?

[22:39:13]

sphery:

so that's the unstable/development trunk

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sphery:

timball: ^^^

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wagnerrp:

probably 0.23, since it should be available in march

[22:39:20]

patdk-wk:

they will defently go .22

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skd5aner:

just curious – I compile from source

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patdk-wk:

march?

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sphery:

yeah, in march, 0.23 is a good choice :)

[22:39:38]

wagnerrp:

beginning of march is the current schedule

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timball:

is the PPA worth activating?

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patdk-wk:

.23 will never make it in time for ubuntu

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: feature freeze 2/1, but do you think the final/fixes will be done by ubuntu's feature freeze for an april release?

[22:39:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, because april comes before march

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: but I don't know when Ubuntu closes it's doors, is what I'm saying

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sphery:

timball: you need to get the 0.22-fixes stuff... the 0.23 discussion is about what will be in Ubuntu 10.04

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patdk-wk:

hmm, ubuntu normally closes it like 2 months ahead

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patdk-wk:

for new stuff

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sphery:

I don't know anything more than that

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wagnerrp:

for 9.10, they used an RC from early october

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sphery:

right... which is why timball needs to update :)

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patdk-wk:

heh

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skd5aner:

if they close Feb 1, and myth's .23 is not gold until March 15...

[22:41:35]

sphery:

we're looking at a feature freeze before Feb 1

[22:41:37]

skd5aner:

just didn't know...

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sphery:

so they may take the feature frozen 0.23-fixes for 10.04, again

[22:42:04]

skd5aner:

sphery: so either way, even if it's not final, ubuntu can use something that's extremely darn close I suppose?

[22:42:13]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

though pre-release may actually be worse than just going with 0.22 again

[22:42:37]

skd5aner:

yea, better than the last go around for ubuntu I suppose

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sphery:

especially if we keep up the 4-monthly releases

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, trunk has been usable this entire cycle

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skd5aner:

sphery: that was kinda my thought

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jams:

iamlindoro- wow your right that thread is creating more traffic then it should

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sphery:

which one? the "bash script to do what jams did right"?

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wagnerrp:

the only issues have been that the proto and schemas have updated a couple times

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jams:

sphery- yes

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skd5aner:

is markk expecting to merge his OSD branch back in before freeze?

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wagnerrp:

so you might get caught on the wrong side of the boundary when updating

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sphery:

skd5aner: we're hoping they'll be ready

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skd5aner:

sweet

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sphery:

wagnerrp: though there were some times when updating was a /very/ bad idea

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sphery:

i.e. socket changes, programinfo/recordedinfo changes, ...

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sphery:

so those running trunk really needed to pay attention (if they wanted a working Myth)

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wagnerrp:

there havent really been any big breaking changes

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wagnerrp:

only additions (like the event handlers)

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skd5aner:

honestly, I was just asking about the myth timeframe vs ubuntu time frame out of curiosity since it seemed pretty close, didn't know if any of that was intentional

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skd5aner:

I compile from source anyway, so... doesn't affect me

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wagnerrp:

at least not that ive noticed

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sphery:

all the changes to how the mythproto communications work made things very unstable for a while

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sphery:

based on the tickets and my own experience with my dev box

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sphery:

of course, for the dev box, I updated even when I knew it was unstable

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wagnerrp:

for 0.22–0.23?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I'm guessing you just did updates at good times... The way you should when running trunk in production

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sphery:

There were even a couple of days when I couldn't test patches because it was too broken at the time (so I had to wait to test/commit them)

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sphery:

but it was /definitely/ smoother than 0.21->0.22

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jst:

Is it normal to see this: -rw-rw-rw- 1 ntp ntp 74556 2010-01–11 21:06 Chuck – 2010-01–11, 8–00 PM – Chuck Versus the Angel of Death.mpg.png

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jst:

ntp/ntp owns the file?

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sphery:

many fewer dangerous changes

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sphery:

jst: that means that your start script is broken

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sphery:

or someone's been changing uid's/gid's

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wagnerrp:

well i admit ive only updated a handful of times in the last couple months

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jams:

or it's nfs mount and the id's doin't match

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jst:

sphery, do you mean /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start?

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sphery:

yeah, it was definitely stable more often than it wasn't

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wagnerrp:

was going to update last night, but apparently VLC is failing to build

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sphery:

jst: that and/or the configuration for it--whatever is setting the user to run mythbackend as

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jst:

Some files are owned by mythtv/mythtv, some by ntp/ntp

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jst:

Does that still make sense?

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sphery:

just means that the user mythbackend is started as has changed

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sphery:

Funny that the people who understand the MythTV data well are the only ones who understand the dangers of direct DB data editing. Therefore, those who know the data least are the most likely to mess with it.

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th1_:

hi, I'm trying to upgrade from 0.21-fixes to 0.22 but I get a database error: http://pastebin.com/m1a93042e

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th1_:

can anyone help?

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th1_:

I'm sure it's just a "DELETE" command will fix it..

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th1_:

but I'm not sure how to find the right one

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sphery:

th1_: that means you have corrupt data in your 0.21-fixes database

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th1_:

I have a duplicate entry yes?

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sphery:

th1_: do /not/ delete or lose the old pre-upgrade database backup

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sphery:

it's your only hope to get thigns working properly

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sphery:

th1_: gentoo?

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th1_:

don't worry I copied it 2 places :)

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th1_:

no debian

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th1_:

but upgrading from 0.21-fixes on ubuntu

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sphery:

good--copying it is a great idea

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th1_:

I have daily backup of the db so no sweat

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sphery:

what version of 0.22? mythbackend --version (svn revision portion)

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th1_:

0.22.20091023–1 from debian-multimedia.org

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sphery:

can you pastebin the output of: mythbackend --version

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th1_:

hhttp://pastebin.com/m4f42e07d

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th1_:

sorry extra h but the number is right :)

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sphery:

"Unknown"

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sphery:

useless

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th1_:

lol

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th1_:

I can apt-get source and tell you..

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sphery:

Well, does the debian package give any date information

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sphery:

all we know is that it was sometime on or after Oct 23, 2009

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th1_:

20091023 looks like a date

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sphery:

that doesn't change daily

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sphery:

it can be the same for 6mos+

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sphery:

like I said--only says it was on or after that date

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th1_:

it was last made on Sun 10 Jan 2010

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th1_:

but the maintainer didn't put hte svn number in the changelog :/

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sphery:

pulled from 0.22-fixes SVN on Jan 10?

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sphery:

can you pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'status;'

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th1_:

they don't mention pulling since Jan 5 when it was revision 23069

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sphery:

OK... that should be new enough

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th1_:

http://pastebin.com/ma0fc85d

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sphery:

have you ever run the MySQL server on a different system?

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sphery:

especially a different distro?

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th1_:

you mean this instance? no it has always run on my debian server

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sphery:

I mean since you started using MythTV

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th1_:

I used to run mythtv inside an Ubuntu chroot but the debian always ran the mysql server

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sphery:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and mythlogbot too

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sphery:

wonder which side he's on

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th1_:

I'm here :)

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sphery:

good :)

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wagnerrp:

no one post any links, i dont want to have to type them out... :P

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th1_:

2 rows in set (0.00 sec)#

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th1_:

its because it's recorded the same show on two of my DVB-S tuners at different channels that are really the same...

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sphery:

can you pastebin them--but redo as: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM oldrecorded WHERE starttime = '2009-09–03 04:05:00'\G" 2>&1 | tee rows.log

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sphery:

that means that you have corrupt channels

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th1_:

I think I had at the time but not anymore

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th1_:

I was messing with my channels with some PHP scripts I'd made to reorganize my several thousand useless satellite chans

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sphery:

can you pastebin the above (\G version)

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th1_:

http://pastebin.com/m2f735768

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th1_:

yeah 1 of them is "TV2 EastJutland" and the other is "TV2 East"

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th1_:

they are from the same satellite co. but they have different frequencies and names otherwise they are the same channel :/

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sphery:

th1_: the corruption is: "station: TV2 / \ufffdst" and "station: TV2 / \ufffdstjylland"

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** sphery wonders what unicode FFFD is **

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th1_:

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sphery:

Unicode Character 'REPLACEMENT CHARACTER' "used to replace an incoming character whose value is unknown or unrepresentable in Unicode"

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th1_:

ok

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th1_:

it's normally ok and shows correctly in mythtv

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th1_:

shall I just do "delete from oldrecorded where chanid=8703 or chanid=8706"?

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th1_:

I don't care if it remembers I recorded those or not

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sphery:

So, try: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV2 / Ost' WHERE starttime = '2009-09–03 04:05:00' AND chanid = '8706';"

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th1_:

ok done

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th1_:

and also for 8703 right?

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sphery:

th1_: also, I need the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM channel WHERE chanid IN ('8706', '8703');

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sphery:

th1_: can't be the same station... for 8703, would have to do: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV2 / Ostjylland' WHERE starttime = '2009-09–03 04:05:00' AND chanid = '8703';"

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sphery:

though it may be unnecessary after you do the 8706 one

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th1_:

http://pastebin.com/m79b72c09

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sphery:

Looks like you'll have this problem again with others.

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th1_:

hrm

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th1_:

how can I "select chanid from channel where name like '%thatfunnycharacter%'" ?

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sphery:

th1_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV2 / Ostjylland' WHERE station LIKE 'TV2 / %stjylland';"

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** gbee hopes Beirdo doesn't have to swim to work tomorrow **

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sphery:

th1_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE channel SET callsign = 'TV2 / Ostjylland' WHERE callsign LIKE 'TV2 / %stjylland';"

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** gbee reads an updated news item and decides it's unlikely **

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sphery:

th1_: then the same 2 queries for "TV2 / Odst" and "TV2 / %dst"

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wagnerrp:

raining heavily in the atlantic?

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gbee:

massive earth quake off Haiti and Tsunami warnings

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wagnerrp:

ah.... didnt know there were active faults in that area

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sphery:

th1_: after doing those changes, try the upgrade, again

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sphery:

i.e. run mythtv-setup and see if it works

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gbee:

but they reckon anything more than 200km away is probably safe, so Costa Rica should be ok

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gbee:

7.3 ... that will probably be revised down, but it's still a significant size

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wagnerrp:

chances on #7901 being a gentoo user?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: 99.98%

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wagnerrp:

the one in the pacific was a 8.9?

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sphery:

th1_: also, after the upgrade succeeds, you can edit your callsign for your channels and put it back to the proper character--edit them through mythtv-setup or mythfrontend channel editor to make sure it's not corrupted, again

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: although he's compiling out of his home dir which is just crazy for a gentoo user

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th1_:

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wagnerrp:

yeah, didnt see that

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wanna close it?

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sphery:

"seek compilation help on the mythtv-users mailing list"

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wagnerrp:

i already closed its duplicate, #7902

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sphery:

so now close it's unicate...

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kormoc:

He needs to disable MMX

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th1_:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/m6481ace1

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wagnerrp:

he needs to not force the architecture

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wagnerrp:

doing that on 32-bit systems leads to breakage of that sort

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wagnerrp:

or at least it used to

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sphery:

th1_: did you get a "rows changed: 1" when you executed: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV2 / Ostjylland' WHERE station LIKE 'TV2 / %stjylland';"

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th1_:

sphery, no 2

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iamlindoro:

#7901 = INVALID

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iamlindoro:

bad bad naughty config options

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sphery:

th1_: and for: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV2 / Odst' WHERE station LIKE 'TV2 / %dst';"

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sphery:

I still think wagnerrp should close it

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th1_:

sphery, 1

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sphery:

If he doesn't, I will, but it's his chance to be a meanie

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th1_:

but this one is a 3rd station just called "TV 2"

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wagnerrp:

i just do python.... compiling code scares me

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wagnerrp:

:)

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th1_:

sphery, all of these stations are regional versions of a national channel so most they send is the same

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sphery:

th1_: it's not a 3rd station--it's truncating the invalid data from the station field

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th1_:

no

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gbee:

wagnerrp: 9.1 on the richter scale, something like the largest earthquake ever recorded (richter scale is logarithmic, so in comparison todays earthquake was tiny, but in real terms it's still major)

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sphery:

according to http://pastebin.com/m79b72c09 , it's impossible for it to be a 3rd one

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th1_:

sphery, this has "TV 2" notice the space

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Does that mean you don't plan to close it? Sphery does so love his chances to be mean, after all

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th1_:

it's just that the same program is showing on all 3 channels at the same time

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wagnerrp:

hell... a 7.3 around here, and we have major structural damage

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th1_:

this one has a space after "TV"

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wagnerrp:

hadnt intended to

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th1_:

sphery, the others were "TV2 Ost" and "TV2 Ostjylland" this one is "TV 2" with a space

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sphery:

th1_: Oops... I meant according to http://pastebin.com/m2f735768 , it's impossible for it to be a 3rd one: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM channel WHERE chanid IN ('8706', '8703');

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wagnerrp:

which is really a problem with all the old brick houses, and a dormant fault line a couple hundred miles away

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sphery:

th1_: oos, that was actually the query: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM oldrecorded WHERE starttime = '2009-09–03 04:05:00'\G" 2>&1 | tee rows.log

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wagnerrp:

the midwest will collapse if that one ever goes off

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sphery:

th1_: can you re-execute that one and re-pastebin the output

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th1_:

sphery, 2secs

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gbee:

last years China earthqake was only a 6.0 but killed something like 75,000

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th1_:

http://pastebin.com/m28811f05

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th1_:

sphery, ah

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th1_:

but youre missing something

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th1_:

the new error is for a different date

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** gbee googled and notes that they revised that one upwards to 7.8 or .9 – can't trust those initial figures at all **

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th1_:

sphery, same time but different day

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sphery:

th1_: ah... I didn't notice the date :)

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sphery:

I looked at the time, so assumed it was the same one

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th1_:

sphery, check this out: http://pastebin.com/m1c06f44b

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th1_:

its the same but even worse :)

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th1_:

now its like 8 different clones of the same showing

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sphery:

th1_: did you do: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV2 / Ostjylland' WHERE station LIKE 'TV2 / %stjylland';"

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th1_:

sphery, yeah

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th1_:

but there are other regional ones with the same letters in :)

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sphery:

OK, so now do the same with the "TV 2"

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sphery:

th1_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV 2 / Ostjylland' WHERE station LIKE 'TV 2 / %stjylland';"

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sphery:

th1_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV 2 / Ost' WHERE station LIKE 'TV 2 / %st';"

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th1_:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)

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th1_:

and same for the second

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sphery:

ah, extra space

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th1_:

ah theres no space before the slash

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sphery:

th1_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV 2/Ostjylland' WHERE station LIKE 'TV 2/%stjylland';"

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sphery:

th1_: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV 2/Ost' WHERE station LIKE 'TV 2/%st';"

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sphery:

yeah, too close to the same

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th1_:

mysql> UPDATE oldrecorded SET station = 'TV 2/Ost' WHERE station LIKE 'TV 2/%st';

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th1_:

ERROR 1062 (23000): Duplicate entry 'TV 2/Ost-2010-01–05 04:05:00-Teletubbies' for key 1

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sphery:

now you get to look at Jan 5 data :)

[23:40:45]

sphery:

Other option is for you to just throw away your old config and start clean

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sphery:

you'd do a partial restore

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sphery:

but because you can only do a partial restore into the proper schema version, you 'd need to use a "blank" 0.21-fixes DB

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th1_:

http://pastebin.com/m7c96cc0

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th1_:

I'd rather try to fix this

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sphery:

th1_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406111#406111 will fix the issue

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sphery:

but you'll have to reconfigure

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th1_:

nonono

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th1_:

I have 5 tuners and LNB setups and whatnot

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sphery:

You're going to have to go through and fix /all/ of the corrupt data

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th1_:

I'd much rather try to salvage this :)

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sphery:

and when you do so, you're breaking all of the previous info

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sphery:

breaking meaning that it no longer links properly

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th1_:

I don't care about the old teletubbies recordings

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sphery:

i.e. breaking foreign key references

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th1_:

in fact I don't care about anything I recorded from that channel

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th1_:

so I guess I could just delete all the clones where chanid is in the set of channels with that character and delete from recorded as well and then run find_orphans to clean them out

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sphery:

well, this /does/ say that all of your channel configuration data is /already/ corrupt

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sphery:

so you really need to fix that

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sphery:

even if you get beyond this

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sphery:

I *highly* recommend throwing away all the corruption and reconfiguring; http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406111#406111

[23:45:07]

sphery:

If you don't, you may find that Myth doesn't work properly--and you may not notice for quite some time

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sphery:

but please make sure if you manually edit data that you verify that any issues are actually issues in Myth-rather than issues caused by your corrupt data--before reporting bugs

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th1_:

I'll just delete the channels from that network

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th1_:

and rescan it

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sphery:

I seriously believe that reconfiguring Myth--no matter how complex your video sources/channels--will be /much/ less time in the long run

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sphery:

don't just do a DELETE FROM channel...

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sphery:

that leaves all sorts of garbage--the kind that breaks Myth

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sphery:

that's why I *highly* recommend the partial restore to a blank 0.21-fixes DB approach

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th1_:

ok

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th1_:

I'll see if fixing the remaining duplicates in oldrecorded solves it or not

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th1_:

if there are more problems afterwards

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th1_:

AH

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th1_:

it passed now :)

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th1_:

there was just one more like that

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sphery:

well, you'll still need to fix your channels

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sphery:

which means rescanning them, anyway

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th1_:

yes but only for that network

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sphery:

*or so you think

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th1_:

that's the only one with danish characters

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sphery:

having one piece of corrupt data isn't a big deal

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th1_:

in the naames..

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sphery:

having it spread throughout multiple tables means that all data in the db is suspect

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sphery:

but, it's your decision

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th1_:

I've spent hours reorganizing my channel lists.. and going through hundreds of useless softporn chans to delete etc..

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th1_:

I'd rather not have to do all that again

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sphery:

well, it's likely that's exactly what caused the corruption that broke your data

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sphery:

you said you had done it with a PHP script

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sphery:

well, when you did, you didn't properly understand the data requirements and broke the data (long ago)

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th1_:

yes but only renumbered them with what I think is a relatively safe script

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sphery:

you didn't notice issues until today

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th1_:

maybe it updated the UTF-8 characters wrong

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th1_:

but those channels are only like 5 or 10 tops

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sphery:

today you "fixed the data manually", but you still (and even I don't) fully understand all the data constraints

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th1_:

all from the same couple of multiplexes on one satellite

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sphery:

you think it worked, but in the future...

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th1_:

I know what you're saying

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th1_:

and if I do get anymore problems I will do what you said

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sphery:

just saying that the only way to be sure is to throw away all the garbage

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sphery:

it's your system, though, so ...

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th1_:

well I'm not exaggerating there are literally thousands of channels I'd have to delete

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th1_:

I have a pretty hefty satellite dish with 6 LNB's

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th1_:

most of them receive only a few chans im interested in

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th1_:

and I've reordered them all to fit my preferences.. hundreds of them

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th1_:

only changed the display number except I may have screwed up the unicode

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sphery:

yeah, I'll admit that we need to fix the channel scanning UI

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th1_:

so if I delete all the chans with unicode in them I guess it will be better

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sphery:

but knowing that my data is valid is far more important to me than attempting to take a shortcut that could make my system unstable

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sphery:

I'll admit to being a bit compulsive about my data quality

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sphery:

probably comes from all the time I spent tracking down data corruption issues in other peoples databases :)

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gizmobay:

I compile. I upgraded to 9.10 and I'm missing the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend and there isn't a mythbackend.pid file.

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gizmobay:

Where did they go?

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sphery:

gizmobay: "upstream" Myth doesn't provide distro-specific start scripts

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sphery:

though there is an upstart script available in contrib

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sphery:

think it's trunk, only

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gizmobay:

okay, thanks

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gizmobay:

I'm not sure how my BE is starting automatically

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sphery:

gizmobay: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . backend.conf + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ripts/README

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th1_:

sphery, even if I did a full rescan I'd still risk causing corruptions again with my scripts.. and I really need to use them because using the UI to edit all those channels would literally take days

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sphery:

MythWeb's channel editor UI is actually much easier for mass channel editing

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wagnerrp:

sphery: within limits

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sphery:

and I think you can also delete a bunch of channels by just checking checkboxes and hitting delete

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wagnerrp:

if you have too many channels, you break some data limit, and cannot make changes

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th1_:

sphery, I'll try it once I get it running :) I can still go back and reset config if it's much nicer than the old one

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sphery:

better than the mythtv-setup/mythfrontend is all I mean

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th1_:

sphery, I'll keep your link handy for the partial import in case I decide on that

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sphery:

that link only works with a 0.21-fixes backup

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