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Sunday, January 10th, 2010, 00:05 UTC

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freephile1:

[R]: my q. is about mythweb not working on karmic

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freephile1:

Dagmar: do you have anything specific?

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Dagmar:

freephile: That your PHP is incompatible

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Dagmar:

...because of suhosin.

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cmdln:

mmm so what tables do i need to move between backend databases if all I want to keep is the channel lineup?

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joesuffceren:

dagmar: I've done plenty of reading and know enough about the superiority of component to svideo (hence my desire to get an adapter). What I don't know is the level of superiority on my particular set. Haven't found (have looked) online anyone who's done that comparison with my set.

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joesuffceren:

I'll just borrow a dvd player that has both outputs and see if the difference is enough (from my perspective) to warrant the additional cost

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antgel:

cmdln: can't you import a channels.conf or something? getting down and dirty with sql is usually frowned on here

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cmdln:

well I dont have a channels.conf

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cmdln:

i just scanned with myth

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cmdln:

then i fixed the channel map there

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Dagmar:

joesuffceren: No, I'd say from your statement that you've either spent too much time listening to salespersons, or you think you've read enough

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Dagmar:

Component > s-video, not because of any comparative lack of signal loss, but because component can carry higher than 480 resolution video and S-video can not.

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antgel:

joesuffceren: i don't know how much the converter is, but HDTVs are getting cheaper all the time, is it worth investing in a converter that will become obsolete sooner rather than later?

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Dagmar:

Either your set can display 720/1080, or you're basically wasting your time with component video.

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cmdln:

So im not seeing what the best way to move my channel data is being that its only stored int the database

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cmdln:

unless there is a script somewhere to generate a channels.conf from the db

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Dagmar:

Just dump the table that has your channel data

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cmdln:

which table is it

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cmdln:

i see several with channel in the name

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Dagmar:

The wiki probably knows.

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Dagmar:

Or dump them all

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DaveLib:

hello i am hera asking on behalf of my friend who is a Linux newbie. He just installed Ubuntu and in there just installed mythtv

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DaveLib:

he started mythtv on his pc and got a window in the upper left quarter screen with a menu watch tv shutdown etc but everything is frozen

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AndyCap:

video driver problems?

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cmdln:

kill the myth process maybe

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DaveLib:

his computer is locked up he can't make mouse or keyboard do anythin

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cmdln:

can you ssh into it?

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DaveLib:

yes i have been trying to giver him instructions overr the phone to kill it

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iamlindoro:

handling one-on-one support is hard enough, your friend should really kill the myth process or reboot, then join the channel themselves

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DaveLib:

we dont have ssh conifgured he only installed ubuntu 2 days ago

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iamlindoro:

IRC->person->phone->person is just not going to work with a program as complicated as Myth

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cmdln:

hard reboot then

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cmdln:

donst seem you have much choice

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DaveLib:

ok firsdt step is to kill it the process

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DaveLib:

he tried reboot and it just returned to mythtv

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DaveLib:

maybe that is gnome session management doing that

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DaveLib:

in top we found a process called mythbackend

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DaveLib:

is there a mythtv process ?

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend is presumably what you are looking for

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DaveLib:

ah thanks

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DaveLib:

if we find mythfrontend should we start by killing that ?

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iamlindoro:

how are you managing this if the system is locked, with no SSH?

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DaveLib:

my friends system is locked at his house

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DaveLib:

i am at my house on my pc doing this irc

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iamlindoro:

re-reead the question

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DaveLib:

and i talk to him on the phone about what to type in

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iamlindoro:

if the system is locked, you can't do top, or anything else

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iamlindoro:

meaning if he's typing anything, the system isn't locked

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DaveLib:

ahh we could do ctrl-alt-F1

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DaveLib:

that worked

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iamlindoro:

Then the process is hung, the system isn't locked

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DaveLib:

we got

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DaveLib:

yes ok

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iamlindoro:

killal mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

er killall -9 mythfrontend

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DaveLib:

but in VT 7 keyboard and mouse are locked i meant to say

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DaveLib:

thanks iamlindro

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cmdln:

even after killing the myth process?

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DaveLib:

we didn't manage to kill it yet

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iamlindoro:

once the process is killed, your friend needs to login to the channel themselves

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Dagmar:

That's because your friend isn't smart enough to type what you're telling him to type.

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DaveLib:

we tried to kill mythbackend from inside top and from the shell with kill and kill -9

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Dagmar:

Spell it out for him. Each and every keypress.

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Dagmar:

If you can't kill -9 the process, then you get to reboot.

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DaveLib:

he launched mythtv from his ordinary user account

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cmdln:

ps aux | awk '/myth/ {print $2}' | xargs kill -9

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DaveLib:

reboots didn't stop it i wonder if gnome session management was bringing it back

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DaveLib:

thanks cmdln

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cmdln:

didnt stop what?

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cmdln:

mythfrontend is launching every time he reboots?

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DaveLib:

when he rebooted he returned tyo the stuck mythtv window

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DaveLib:

or so he told me over the phone

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Dagmar:

Yeah you need to go find the people responsible for that distro.

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cmdln:

he prolly has mythfrontend set to start on boot

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cmdln:

gonna have to stop that

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DaveLib:

it is ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Right, so perhaps they'll be interested in helping you sort this out over the phone

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DaveLib:

and he just installed mythtv today from synaptiv or add and remove software

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Dagmar:

What he did to his install is not a mythtv problem

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DaveLib:

when he launches mythtv as ordinary user will those processes be owned by his user account or something else ?

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DaveLib:

we had trouble killing mythbackend so i was wondering if something else owned them

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Dagmar:

I'm sure the #Ubuntu people will be very happy to help.

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DaveLib:

thanks Dagmar

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DaveLib:

is mythtv intended to be used to watch tv on the cpmputer monitor or just on main tv screens atached to the computer ?

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iamlindoro:

DaveLib, Myth isn't a "watching TV" software, it's a full DVR and media system

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iamlindoro:

meanind while it is possible to watch television with it, if all your friend wants to do is watch live TV, it is absolutely the wrong choice

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DaveLib:

thanks iamlindoro

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Dagmar:

MythTV is bad for you

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DaveLib:

:)

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Dagmar:

I could be doing something useful for society right now, but instead I'm watching Qt compile.

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anenigma_:

that is useful for society :P

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Dagmar:

...because society desperately needs more electricity converted into heat?

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Dagmar:

I don't think the Athlon 64 4600+ is going to help measurably against the cold snap.

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Dagmar:

o.O -DWTF_USE_JIT_STUB_ARGUMENT_VA_LIST

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wagnerrp:

any suggestion on channel i could get some help on multicast? blind '/join'ing doesnt seem to be working

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Dagmar:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

basically, im trying to have two applications listen to the same multicast address and port... that should be possible right?

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Dagmar:

Yeah as far as I know

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wagnerrp:

im just getting errors... 'address already in use'

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Dagmar:

Oohhh doh

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Dagmar:

It may not be possible to do on one machine

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wagnerrp:

im writing something in python, but i cant very well ask in #python since ill just get reamed for not using Twisted

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wagnerrp:

why even have this perfectly nice socket library if no one is supposed to use it...

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Dagmar:

Yeah I'm pretty sure there's something of broader scope I'm overlooking

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wagnerrp:

so you can only have one UPNP server active on a given machine?

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wagnerrp:

rather, client

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt seem right

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Dagmar:

Ther emight be a clue here http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0108.3/0803.html

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Dagmar:

There's either a socket option for this, or there's osme wholly different way of going about it I've forgotten

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Dagmar:

I think it's the former

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wagnerrp:

searching around, ive been getting conflicting answers

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Dagmar:

I did some screwing aorund with multicast back like, 15+ years ago

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wagnerrp:

either, 'no, only one application per port', or 'youre wrong, thats only for tcp traffic'

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Dagmar:

No I'm pretty sure there's going to be a way to get around it for UDP

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Dagmar:

THat page I linked is from 2001. It's the guy who did a lot of the PCMCIA/wireless stuff, banging on a similar recalcitrant multicast problem

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tariq:

hi all, what does "error opening jump program file" indicate, what should i be looking for

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Dagmar:

Oh heh. Ther'es also this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Multicast-HOWTO-6.html

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wagnerrp:

tariq: seems to indicate that the file youre trying to open does not exist

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wagnerrp:

or otherwise cannot be accessed by your current user or current machine

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wagnerrp:

check to see if the recording actually exists

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wagnerrp:

if not, check your backend logs to see why the recording failed

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Dagmar:

insufficient video signal

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Yeah, section 6 & 6.1 explains it

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wagnerrp:

ok, thanks

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the socket syntax in python is almost a complete copy of that in C

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Dagmar:

'cuz there's nothing you can do that would ever make that any more (or less) human-readable

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AndyCap:

any language which isn't? :P

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wagnerrp:

well im sure the idea is that people already know C, why not make the API something that looks familiar

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Dagmar:

Because there's very little there that isn't hte name of the option, which is simply an abstraction from an enumerated list, and parens

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AndyCap:

s/people/the guy writing the API/

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Dagmar:

It's up to other coders to "extend" things so you wind up with more palatable expressions like "openmydamnsocket(to_that_site, nao_damnit)

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wagnerrp:

well thats the idea behind Twisted

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Dagmar:

http://code.activestate.com/recipes/425975/

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wagnerrp:

but then you end up with an elephant of a library just to access some simple functions

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Dagmar:

Of course

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Dagmar:

That's the whole point of python

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Dagmar:

All the complexity and overhead of C, without the loathesomely small resource allocation of a compiled app

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Dagmar:

Damn Qt is still compiling

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AndyCap:

you were saying? :P

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Dagmar:

No you don't know the half of it man

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Dagmar:

Once this test run is done, I have to take apart the package, look for anything amiss, and then do it all over again.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, Qt takes a good couple hours to build on my systems

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Dagmar:

Somehow I don't think I'm getting the new Myth binaries up and running tonight

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wagnerrp:

-fixes or trunk?

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Raygu:

does the mythtv-frontend really need an mysql database? cause i won't install the mysql server on my notebook

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cmdln:

Raygu: it needs to connect to a database

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wagnerrp:

Raygu: mythtv runs one single database

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wagnerrp:

used for all frontends, backends, jobqueues, transcodes, commflags, etc....

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cmdln:

Raygu: you can install a backend on another box

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Raygu:

yes

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Doens't really matter which branch until Qt is done cooking, but you know I don't run trunk

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wagnerrp:

only one machine needs to install and run the database

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Raygu:

the backend is on another box

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Raygu:

with an mysql database

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AndyCap:

Raygu: and the frontend needs to talk to the same database.

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Raygu:

ahh

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cmdln:

Raygu: then just install the frontend

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Raygu:

thanks :)

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Dagmar:

Raygu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well if you were running trunk, i was going to suggest holding off for a couple days, since the OSD branch just got merged in

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, not merged

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iamlindoro:

he resynced with trunk

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind then

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Considering that I broke my TV last night it matters even less.

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wagnerrp:

Raygu: technically, there is no 'frontend only' build for mythtv, so if youre running a frontend-only package, thats something your distro has cooked up

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wagnerrp:

and the only reason to do such a thing is to remove dependencies such as the mysql server

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Dagmar:

...and to make problems for other people.

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I thought Raygu was done 3 minutes ago and problem solved.

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tariq:

Dagmar: if i wasnt trying to play a recording and trying to watch tv, then what would that error indicate?

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wagnerrp:

tariq: watching livetv is nothing more than watching a recording happening right now

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wagnerrp:

either way, you end up with a big file on the hard drive

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tariq:

aha so thats the concept

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tariq:

ok so how could that file not exist?

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wagnerrp:

because the recording has failed

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wagnerrp:

you failed to tune to the channel, your tuner card is broken, the drivers are messed up, you misconfigured something in mythtv, the list of reasons goes on

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs at the time of failure for more information

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tariq:

ok will do

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syamajala:

got my pvr-150 in the mail yesterday

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robbins61:

Any lirc geniuses around?

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[R]:

do you have an actual question?

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robbins61:

oh you!

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robbins61:

yeah, i do. I can't get my remote working in karmic

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

very descriptive

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robbins61:

it goes through and recognizes everything

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[R]:

"it"?

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robbins61:

my remote lights up, as does the receiver, but i get nothing in IRW

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robbins61:

ummm it = the lirc setup tool in ubuntu

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[R]:

and if you run lircd with the no daemon option and look at its output when you use irw...

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robbins61:

how do i run lircd with no daemon?

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[R]:

you could start by reading its man page

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[R]:

i know... its a crazy idea

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robbins61:

-n

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robbins61:

[R], you want to see this pastebin?

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[R]:

no... let me guess it

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** Dagmar puts five bucks on "no" **

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** [R] puts his tv on espn **

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[R]:

oh wait... thats not gonna help me figure out what it said

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robbins61:

http://pastebin.ca/1744897

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[R]:

and you wonder why it doesn't work

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robbins61:

yes...that's why i'm here.

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[R]:

well you could... you know... fix your broken config

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robbins61:

i saw that

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robbins61:

is there a generic one that i can grab or something?

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[R]:

there is no such thing as a generic config

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[R]:

thats why you had to make one

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robbins61:

i did no such thing

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robbins61:

not by hand anyway

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robbins61:

one may have been generated

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[R]:

s/may/was/

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robbins61:

alright, i'm passed the config problem now

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robbins61:

still getting that could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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robbins61:

i had an old lircd.conf from when i had myth installed years ago with this remothe, that seems to be working

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: seems i was looking for SO_REUSEADDR

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robbins61:

it appears i don't have /dev/lirc

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robbins61:

or /dev/lirc0

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Dagmar:

You might want to make sure you actually have a driver loading then, if you have no auto-created device.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: yeah, it was the SO_REUSEADDR, although apparently FreeBSD has decided to go and be different and require SO_REUSEPORT

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wagnerrp:

go figure...

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dewman:

good evening...

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dewman:

I am trying to track down a exit status 255, job status was "Errored" Issue...Can someone point me in the direction of the location of the log file that this gets written to?

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre not running mythjobqueue, it will just be in the standard backend log

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wagnerrp:

try in /var/log/mythtv

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dewman:

wagnerrp, thanks

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dewman:

Weird stuff going on with some recordings...some transcode correctly...Some dont.....

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PinkFreud:

hey folks. having a bit of an issue convincing mythtv to play a dvd. menu plays fine, episode selection works fine, but when I go to start an episode, the kernel pukes with 'Read of scrambled sector without authentication'

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PinkFreud:

store bought dvds (Babylon 5 season 2). Season 1 played just fine.

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dewman:

ok...Well once I took a peek into the database and deleted some rows of old recorded shows that no longer existed.... things seem to work....

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Dagmar:

PinkFreud: Sounds like a css problem to me, which is something myth has no control over

[03:34:20]

PinkFreud:

actually, I restarted mythfrontend, and now it works.

[03:34:25]

** PinkFreud scratches his head **

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cmdln:

I am getting an error when trying to import a channels.conf

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cmdln:

ParseTuningParams Unknown tuner type

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wagnerrp:

there are known issues with the current channels.conf importer

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Dagmar:

Interesting. ./configure --help from 0.22-fixes looks MUCH less likely to entice the insane into passing it stupid things

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but theres still a lot of 'insane' things left over in there, since myth's configure is co-opted from ffmpeg's configure

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Dagmar:

Yeah, once I get home I'll be able to shut down the backend, install the new Qt, and see if the --cpu/arch options are fully-functional

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wagnerrp:

its suggested you just do the automatic, if anything

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, you forget you're dealing with the kind of lunatic who'll run the thing nine different ways to find if there's a way to break it

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Dagmar:

My Qt-4 package being ~117Mb is annoying, but tolerable for now.

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[R]:

when i exit the guide in livetv, the video freezes for a second... is there anyting i can do to fix that?

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wagnerrp:

well thats completely unnecessary... you dont have to run it nine different ways to know a good deal of them will break it

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wagnerrp:

:P

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Dagmar:

I feel a bit like Volkerding cheated by pulling the stripped-down version of Qt that the KDE people were maintaining

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: If I don't know under what condition it breaks it'll be a much bigger bitch to fix

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wagnerrp:

there was some issue with the gentoo ebuilds a while back, where it was forcing improper optimizations

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wagnerrp:

caused some assembly errors on 32-bit machines

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's the sort of thing I wanna spot and fix if I cna

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Dagmar:

Mainly I'm just worried about inherited insanity from libavcodec

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure it was just fixed in the ebuild, rather than preventing it in configure

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Dagmar:

Like the last round where it would invariably pick the wrong cmov function

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, it was one of the optimizations in the mp3 code

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Dagmar:

Yeah I remember seeing the fix for the issue you're talking about

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wagnerrp:

god knows why something like that needs hand coded ASM

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wagnerrp:

unless the library has just been floating around for 15 years, back when you actually needed that

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Dagmar:

Well, there's a degree to which programmers with live brains will always be a bit smarter than gcc's optimizer

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Dagmar:

...and there's a degree to which occasionally they'll be a LOT smarter.

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Dagmar:

Otherwise they'd have ripped out inline assembly years ago

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but it seems like there would be other areas of playback and decoding that would benefit more from time-intensive optimization

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Dagmar:

There's college kids doing papers on mp3 playback optimizations in assembly

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[R]:

is it really that important?

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Dagmar:

mathematicians are way ahead of gcc gnerally

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wagnerrp:

im just saying when you pull up a profiler, you dont start with the thing taking 2% of your time

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Dagmar:

[R]: With people trying to do mp3 playback on harware that could barely power a wristwatch?

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[R]:

well i mean for an x86

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wagnerrp:

unless it was done for more of a mental exercise

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Dagmar:

That

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[R]:

i wrote a bunch fo stuff in assembly just because i could

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[R]:

and i justified it by saying i "couldn't" do it in C

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[R]:

but reallly the C version was just ugly

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wagnerrp:

the only thing ive ever touched in assembly is some crappy little programs on my 10MHz 68k calculator

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wagnerrp:

and that was... 10 years ago?

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[R]:

when i started playing with PICs

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[R]:

i finally understand the differnece between RISC and CISC

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hackman:

I only get one shot at watching something under Media Library -> Videos. I can watch one thing, and it works. If I escape, and watch it again, or watch another, the FE stops responding to keys, and the FE must be restarted.

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wagnerrp:

do you have a mouse or keyboard handy?

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wagnerrp:

see if its a focus issue, either click, or alt-tab, to reselect mythfrontend

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achandra:

Hi guys, posted up a few days ago about the volume on the mythbuntu box being super low. Via alsactl I raised volume for pcm and master. Unfortunately, it didnt seem to do much good, and on my receiver i have to crank the volume up to nearly max to get it to sound okay. However when playing music via mythmusic, the volume appears to be fine. Any ideas in myth on the fix?

[06:19:56]

[R]:

there is a control in myth for the mixer setting

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[R]:

and what % to set it to

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achandra:

[R], can you point to the location of that?? I've been searching for that..is that in the general settings or?

[06:21:11]

[R]:

in the forntend settings

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[R]:

dealing with the sound

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[R]:

its very obvious

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[R]:

theres a whole page on mixer settings

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achandra:

[R], yeah in general i found the *obvious* page, and have the PCM cranked all the way to the right. However, it made little difference.

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[R]:

what sound settings does myhthmusic have?

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achandra:

[R] which one in mythmusic, general, player or ripper?

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[R]:

well since we are talking about the playing...

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[R]:

aren't we?

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achandra:

[R] playmode-normal, resumemode off , action on exit prompt, and the rest are for weights and visualisations.

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[R]:

did you bother reading my question?

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achandra:

yeah, but can seem to find the *sound* settings for the mythmusic, player settings...

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[R]:

so then it has none

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achandra:

okay.....so then how does that help my original question??

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[R]:

well i was asking if it had any

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achandra:

so we agree it has none....and?

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[R]:

what and

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achandra:

and again....since were working on comprehension — how does that help my original question?

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[R]:

well it doesn't

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[R]:

but i had to ask it

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achandra:

brilliant

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[R]:

if it did

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[R]:

then we could have gone from there

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[R]:

see how problem solving works?

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achandra:

[R] when its guided sure...when its based on inductive mechanisms absolute failure is some cases

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[R]:

huh?

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achandra:

[R], read it again...you'll get it maybe on the second try

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[R]:

lol

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achandra:

;)

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iamlindoro:

[R], You are not exempt to the channel's courtesy rules, and your answers aren't accurate enough to be snide-- please don't "help" if you can't act courtesoutly

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iamlindoro:

courteously

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iamlindoro:

achandra, Are you using analog or digital audio output?

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iamlindoro:

achandra, MythMusic has its own audio output device set in Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Music Settings->General

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achandra:

analog

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iamlindoro:

achandra, It is possible that you have a mismatch between that one and the general audio output settings

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achandra:

perhaps let me check again...and thanks for the response.

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iamlindoro:

achandra, Out of curiousity, it's worth asking whether you are using any exotic source of packages or trunk, or just plain .22 from an actual distro

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achandra:

iamlindoro, yep its 0.22 from mythbuntu, and apparently the latest update...however in general section, i see no audio output settings.

[06:41:01]

achandra:

iamlindoro, i followed the path you posted above

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achandra:

iamlindoro, i take that back..found it

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achandra:

iamlindoro, its set to default

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iamlindoro:

achandra, OK, so that means it's using the same device specified elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

achandra, Have you changed your upmix/number of channel output settings at all?

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iamlindoro:

achandra, specifically, "max audio channels" and "Upmix"

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achandra:

iamlindoro, nope just the pcm mixer volume in general

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iamlindoro:

You should play with combinations of the above settings

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achandra:

iamlindoro, sorry a little new to that the max audio and upmix...settings...where abouts are those?

[06:45:05]

iamlindoro:

achandra, Same area as the master audio settings

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iamlindoro:

achandra, If none of the above helps, I would strongly suspect a broken ALSA configuration

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iamlindoro:

but I am headed to bed, so good luck

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achandra:

iamlindoro, good enough...ill play with those and see. thank you very much

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achandra:

iamlindoro, ++

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trumee:

anybody using mplayer?

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trumee:

i wanted to know what command to use for changing PCM volume via lirc.

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trumee:

nobody?

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trumee:

lirc in mplayer sucks big time compared to xine.

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]Oscar:

does the mythgallery support sorage groups?

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trumee:

anybody uses mythbrowser?

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trumee:

i went to www.gmail.com, the login text box is very dark. i cant even see what i am typing.

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Easy_Rider9999:

Hallo has anybody got idle detection working with mythbuntu 9.10?

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oobe:

Easy_Rider9999, if that is a rhetorical question then im sure the answer is yes

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chog:

hi

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oobe:

hi

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chog:

I've been building 0.22 on debian. Oh what joy!

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chog:

I'm suprised there's not more threads on the mailing list. Actually I should find out who the deb package maintainer is and buy them a drink!

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oobe:

chog, how's it all going

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chog:

ok now, took a while to build webkit thought. Not a user freindly operation on deb

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chog:

ah make just finished

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chog:

hmmm..no frontend bin?

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chog:

I've just done make install but can't find a mythtv-frontend. Should I?

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gbee:

it's called mythfrontend

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gbee:

chog: no deb version of qt/webkit?

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gbee:

or you are attempting to use an older debian?

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chog:

using lenny, It was a few hours ago, but I think it was because there's no -dev for it.

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gbee:

yay for debian, huh?

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chog:

oh yay :P lol. It's the one I know the best *shrug*

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ocnod:

does anyone know a good networking help channel ?

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chog:

yeah, it's all good except I don't think the backend is starting. There's no log or return from ps au | grep backend. How else can I check?

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]Oscar:

!help

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]Oscar:

!list

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Easy_Rider9999:

oobe! This is not rethorical. Idle detection works when mythbackend is just started or restarted but does not work after some clients connected and disconnected. I hav mythbuntu 9.10.

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chog:

ah..fixed my prob. Path had changed.

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chog:

well..0.22 looks good. looking forward to new themes.

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noii:

hi. I'm hearing occasional clicks and pops during mythmusic playback, anyone seen this before?

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justinh:

vinyl rips eh? :P

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dan4dm:

:) maybe buffer underruns? is there a setting in myth for how big the buffer is? if so try making it bigger

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justinh:

there is no such setting

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dan4dm:

k

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sid3windr:

I hope for chog he was using he debian-multimedia packages or he just took a lot of time to do unuseful stuff ;)

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justinh:

rofl. googling for a problem with our washing machine & links are appearing for 'firmware'

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noii:

they're just standard mp3s

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noii:

it does sound like a buffer underrun or something like that

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noii:

would that show up in a log anywhere?

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dan4dm:

not afaik. is the cpu usage high when it happens?

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noii:

I'm not usig it for anything else

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noii:

I don't even think it's recording at the moment

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gbee:

noii: I assume you hear no such noises with other apps/devices?

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noii:

gbee: yeah, the files play back fine elsewhere, and indeed, beyond about a year ago using mythtv

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noii:

I wondered if it might be doing some job in the background (such as deleting files) and whether I could increase the priority of audio playback somehow?

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gbee:

have you disabled the extra audio buffering setting?

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kmdm:

Hi all... just wondering if anyone has any ideas... when pressing M on a keyboard to bring up the menu (in mythtv / mythvideo) the menu displays fine. However, when pressing the menu key on my remote (while watching a DVD at least) the menu flicks up and vanishes straight away almost like it sees the menu keypress twice... any pointers of where I should look / what I should do? :)

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noii:

gbee: not seen the 'extra audio buffering setting' before. Is it in the normal settings section? I'll take a look.

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gbee:

TV Settings > Playback, first page

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gbee:

noii: 0.22? There is another buffer related setting among the rest of the audio settings, it's been removed because it caused breakage for most people, however I can't remember if that was before or after the 0.22 release

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unixSnob:

if a bluray is used to backup data, is the content stored in some encrypted proprietary format.. or is that just the off the shelf discs?

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noii:

gbee: the audio buffering option is enabled. but I've just checked, and it looks like I'm still running 0.21 I think. So maybe I should try an update

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gbee:

mythfrontend --version

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noii:

it says 19961 for version, and then 0-21-fixes for the branch

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AndyCap:

unixSnob: I don't think they want you to create aacs disks at home.

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unixSnob:

9â‚¬ for a blank bluray disc.. still seems high

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oobe:

unixSnob, i dont think it would be

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oobe:

it would be the same as burning data to a blank cd/dvd

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oobe:

you could write anything to a blu ray disk

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unixSnob:

that's comforting.. i don't want my data under control of some corp.

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unixSnob:

I might buy a burner in this case

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unixSnob:

(assuming it works w/ linux)\

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oobe:

the big mess around is decrpting store bought content

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justinh:

that would mostly be illegal :D

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oobe:

there is a howto page for blu ray under linux using hacks in the ubuntu docs

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unixSnob:

well i'm not interested in ripping, or even viewing bluray movies. I just want a burner that works on debian

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oobe:

then that should work but dont take my word for it

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oobe:

google k3b cdrecord mkisofs blue ray support

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unixSnob:

a ten pack of BD-Rs is ~30â‚¬.. that's almost reasonable

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oobe:

that non ASCII character im assuming is the pound symbol?

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kmdm:

euro

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unixSnob:

i have to be certain it will work, because europeans don't have good consumer protection

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unixSnob:

if it's gray, i won't buy

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antgel:

wtfrick

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oobe:

unixSnob, it will work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrtools

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oobe:

unixSnob, the main tools that programs use for burning are on that page

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oobe:

as you would already know since they have been round for years

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unixSnob:

looks like it would work in principle.. just a matter of making sure there's a driver for the lenovo BR burner

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justinh:

getting pretty sick of hearing people revving the asses off their cars trying to get unstuck from the snow here

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oobe:

just put up a sign saying reving your car only makes your bog worse

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oobe:

or call the police

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oobe:

you can make a police report online now

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unixSnob:

oobe: in what region can you make an online police report?

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unixSnob:

sounds like an excellent idea

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oobe:

in justinh's region

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unixSnob:

lazy cops can't refuse to take a report now

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oobe:

i made a report once

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AndyCap:

unixSnob: until 4chan finds out

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oobe:

perhaps more regions

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oobe:

i wouldnt do it in my local one

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unixSnob:

heh.. playing purchased BR discs w/ open source s/w has issues with restrictions. Seems linux users are effectively being encouraged to download HD flics instead

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justinh:

unixSnob: there's such a thing as doing without in the absence of a legal solution

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justinh:

which is of course the correct thing to do morally

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unixSnob:

lol.. that's one moral pov

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justinh:

also ties in nicely with the channel rules funnily enough

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unixSnob:

the other moral pov is to say that open source users are not part of the intended market anyway, so if they download the movie, they aren't costing anything to the system

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unixSnob:

i mean, establishing whether there is damage means proving that there would be revenue in the first place

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justinh:

besides, talking about legally dubious activities here is forbidden

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unixSnob:

the question is, is it illegal? Suppose you buy the movie, then download a useable version. is that criminally actionable?

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oobe:

i think the new blu ray encryption is over kill i mean if i buy a blu ray drive stick in my pc then buy blu ray movies then it should play under linux

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antgel:

oobe: you would think so

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oobe:

if it doesnt then those who made the rules have no choice but to accept that i wont pay for there crap

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justinh:

unixSnob: technically YES

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oobe:

but i will dl it for free

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justinh:

owning a disc only gives you a licence to use that disc

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antgel:

i find the idea that "linux users are effectively being encouraged to download HD flics instead" to be somewhat ridiculous. buy a blu-ray player like the rest of the world. if you don't like the terms, don't use the format.

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unixSnob:

sure, but criminal actions are not taken, only civil

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unixSnob:

and in a civil action, there woudl be no way to prove damages

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justinh:

and if it's not worth paying for, it's probably not worth spending time watching either :)

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justinh:

unixSnob: immaterial. channel rules are channel rules

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kmdm:

Anyone know where the keybindings are stored for mythtv/lirc... E.g. what tells the system that pressing the menu key should open the menu, etc...? :)

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justinh:

lircrc in ~/.mythtv/

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justinh:

or .lircrc within ~/

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kmdm:

ta

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justinh:

that gets you the lirc associations not actual keybindings. those are stored in the database

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kmdm:

just trying to figure out why hitting the menu key makes the menu appear then vanish almost instantly :)

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justinh:

probably repeat & delay values not being optimal in your lircrc file :)

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kmdm:

aye – although irw only shows it once

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justinh:

weird

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justinh:

maybe it's defined twice in the lircrc file then

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kmdm:

hm, now that i didn't consider ;)

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justinh:

like two buttons linked to actions in there

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justinh:

e.g. "button = menu" with two different "config = " lines

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kmdm:

lol you're a star... right in the config file KEY_MENU mapped to config = M twice... next to eachother :)

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justinh:

or two instances of an entry for the menu button

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justinh:

heh cheers :)

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justinh:

lirc is a bit of a pussycat

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kmdm:

seeing as that was default-install, there's probably a bug somewhere that generated/provided that config file :)

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** antgel is kind of excited to have a debug build, not sure if that's a little bit sad **

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jduggan:

loser

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jduggan:

=]

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** justinh is kind of excited to learn of #6814 being closed :) **

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antgel:

jduggan: something about actually being able to see what was happening when the frontend bails, and *shock horror* even fix it

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sveinung:

My input is corrupt on a saa7146 (dvb-c) but my sony tv shows no corruption when fed with the same signal/cable. Can it be a software problem or should i get a new card? New cable?

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dustybin:

i have a strange audio sync problem, the sync goes out quite a bit, if i press pause then continue, its ok

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sphery:

antgel: Might want to do a profile build if you're actually running the app. Profile is an unstripped build that includes compiler/processor optimizations. Debug is a very inefficient unstripped build with no optimizations. In 99.999% of the cases when a backtrace is needed, a bt from a profile build is sufficient.

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sphery:

antgel: all the distros push out profile builds with separate debug symbols so they get performance normally but users can get good backtraces when necessary

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AndyCap:

sveinung: corrupt how? did it work earlier?

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sphery:

dustybin: that happens when you're following LiveTV/recording-in-progress too close to the end/current-time. Fix is to not watch LiveTV.

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skd5aner:

out of curiosity – anyone know if DVD support over SGs will likely be in place for .23?

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skd5aner:

haven't seen anything on commits related to it, but didn't know if something was in the works behind the curtains

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dustybin:

sphery: aye ok thanks

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mjj29:

hi guys

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Nidhoegger:

hi

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mjj29:

I just upgraded mythtv to 0.22+fixes20100105–0.1 (from debian-multimedia.org)

[16:21:03]

mjj29:

and now mythfrontend segfaults

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wagnerrp:

pastebin your frontend logs, and describe what youre doing at time of segfault

[16:22:05]

mjj29:

on startup

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mjj29:

just getting the pastebin

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mjj29:

http://paste.debian.net/56242/

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sphery:

skd5aner: don't know, but I will say that few (no?) devs are that concerned about it.

[16:23:40]

sphery:

mjj29: ati?

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mjj29:

sphery: intel

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mjj29:

actually that log is from X forwarding to my laptop

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: one of the devs is working on some code that will override the standard file access routines used by the DVD libraries, fooling them into thinking they have proper file access

[16:24:17]

mjj29:

but it looks the same bar resolution locally

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mjj29:

(82945G/GZ)

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sphery:

mjj29: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394222#394222 (for Intel, too)

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sphery:

might be the issue

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wagnerrp:

basically an adaptation of some code he whipped of of streaming from physical disks on remote systems

[16:25:19]

wagnerrp:

but ive not heard anything about it to know if it will make it into 0.23

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mjj29:

sphery: mythtv-setup works

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think the new approach they're planning is to intercept calls from the libdvdread code and do the right thing

[16:25:52]

mjj29:

sphery: and exporting those two before running mythfrontend doesn't help

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sphery:

mjj29: try it with mythfrontend

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sphery:

mjj29: then you probably have an old 0.21-fixes plugin installed

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wagnerrp:

sphery: right, overriding the standard file access calls that libdvdread makes

[16:26:19]

sphery:

clean out your 0.21-fixes garbage

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, but no longer the NBD approach--I thought that's what you meant

[16:26:51]

mjj29:

running it with strace -eopen gives http://paste.debian.net/56243/

[16:26:55]

mjj29:

I'll try removing mythstream

[16:27:31]

sphery:

also mythvodka, mythphone

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mjj29:

aha

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sphery:

might be some others

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well its the same person thats doing both, i figured hes using at least part of it

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mjj29:

that seems to have worked

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sphery:

I think the plan was to get rid of NBD because it requires running as root

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mjj29:

woo

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wagnerrp:

anyway, skd5aner, if its not ready, ive got a workaround written for external players

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mjj29:

sphery: thanks

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt work for Internal, but you could at least pull it up in Xine or something

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wagnerrp:

(although completely untested)

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp, sphery: thanks for the updates, it's the one thing that's holding me back from SG

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mjj29:

hrm

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mjj29:

so I had some custom additions to mym menu files

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mjj29:

alternative commands in library.xml etc

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skd5aner:

until mkv can get it's act in gear and allow for true DVD emulation (menu, etc) – I'll continue to have .ISOs

[16:39:20]

mjj29:

those are still there

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mjj29:

but they aren't showing up in tho UI

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skd5aner:

but, NFS is working fine for now

[16:39:42]

mjj29:

has it changed where it's looking?

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skd5aner:

just would like to clean up and organize it a little nicer

[16:40:12]

skd5aner:

which dev is taking a look at it

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skd5aner:

?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: i know theres some capacity in mp4 for dvd-style menus

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wagnerrp:

but i would expect its player support is next to none

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skd5aner:

yea – I know it exists in a form, but I've yet to find anything that can truely replicate it, let alone having player support for it

[16:41:32]

skd5aner:

iso "just works" :)

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skd5aner:

plus the nice thing, to me, about iso is that I can always burn it back if needed really easily

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mjj29:

anyone?

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: is this going from 0.21 to 0.22?

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mjj29:

yeah

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mjj29:

I think so

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wagnerrp:

the UI took a major rewrite, its very possible those have either been overwritten, the theme is looking in a different place, or they are just the wrong format

[16:44:55]

mjj29:

well, with the other themes they seem to have their own menu XML files

[16:45:03]

mjj29:

but I can't see where MythCenter's are

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mjj29:

but the package isn't shipping the ones I've been writing any more

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wagnerrp:

mythcenter is little more than the defaults

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wagnerrp:

if the theme does not contain something, the UI just falls back to the defaults

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mjj29:

ah, so themes/defaultmenu/ looks right

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mjj29:

awesome

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i shouldnt wait until the weekend to export my recordings

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wagnerrp:

ttvdb is overloaded

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mjj29:

so, has anyone written a decent MPD frontend for mythtv yet?

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wagnerrp:

mpd?

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mjj29:

http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki

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wagnerrp:

most people who want such functionality would just use mythmusic

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mjj29:

I'm not a big fan of mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

well theres a big thread on the mailing list of suggestions to go into a rewrite

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mjj29:

I have a lot of music

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mjj29:

and I the UI I've always found impossible to navigate

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wagnerrp:

hence the rework

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mjj29:

but just navigating the on-disk format that I have in my very simple web frontend

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mjj29:

with a link to prod mpd remotely

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mjj29:

works really well

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mjj29:

so atm I'm using opera (mythweb is also fail) to queue up music and a simple menu to call mpc to prod mpd

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mjj29:

for play/pause/next/etc

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wagnerrp:

mythweb doesnt run in opera?

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mjj29:

not mythweb?

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mjj29:

the webbrowser in myth

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wagnerrp:

mythbrowser

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mjj29:

that

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wagnerrp:

got rewritten in 0.22

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mjj29:

do I have to scan for movies any more?

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mjj29:

or does it Just Work?

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wagnerrp:

now its a proper webkit browser, should 'just work' about as well as any other webkit based browser

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo still (and will likely always) require you to scan for new content

[17:00:57]

wagnerrp:

but that has been moved to a menu option in the main interface

[17:01:05]

wagnerrp:

the video manager has been removed

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wagnerrp:

(or rather moved to one more view, like list/gallery/the_other_one)

[17:02:46]

mjj29:

where is the scan for new content then?

[17:02:49]

mjj29:

it's not a menu option

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wagnerrp:

it is a menu option

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mjj29:

aha, that menu

[17:03:20]

mjj29:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

should be the first thing you see when you press 'm'

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mjj29:

I never press m

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mjj29:

but yes

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** mjj29 runs his hacky script to dump his imdb database into mythtv's **

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wagnerrp:

you might want to hold off on that

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mjj29:

why?

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wagnerrp:

there are a lot of changes to videometadata

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mjj29:

I've checked the schema and it's close enough

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mjj29:

(all the fields I use are still there)

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wagnerrp:

movies will probably be fine, tv shows will end up broken

[17:05:34]

mjj29:

this is just for movies

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wagnerrp:

and youre still lacking a lot of artwork

[17:05:48]

mjj29:

I've got coverart

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mjj29:

snarfed off imdb

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wagnerrp:

you have what is likely a low res photo of the DVD cover

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mjj29:

sure

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mjj29:

but unless it can take an imdb number and turn it into the right thing with no prompting

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wagnerrp:

if this a local backup of your metadata? or are you scraping from IMDB?

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mjj29:

I'm not going though 500 films and getting the data by hand

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mjj29:

I have a script that scrapes IMDB

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wagnerrp:

well scraping IMDB is a violation of their TOS, and they actively try to block such things

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wagnerrp:

if youve not used your script in a while, it may no longer work

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sphery:

and tmdb doesn't steal your content from you, like IMDb does.

[17:08:17]

wagnerrp:

second, just hit 'w'

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wagnerrp:

mythtv now provides grabbers for themoviedb.org, run through a much more reliable API

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sphery:

(When you contribute content to IMDb, you give IMDb all rights to that content, and they prevent you from using it elsewhere.)

[17:08:56]

wagnerrp:

'w' is a shortcut to calling that grabber

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wagnerrp:

if youre unwilling to run 'w', check out JAMU

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wagnerrp:

its a semi-automated tool for grabbing information from themoviedb and thetvdb

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mjj29:

yeah

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mjj29:

and semi-automated is not good enough

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mjj29:

when I have 500 films to get the data for

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wagnerrp:

its as automated as you can hope for

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wagnerrp:

im certain your tool does no better

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mjj29:

sure, but I've _already done it_

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sphery:

well, it could just randomly choose a match when there are multiple--that would be completely automated :)

[17:10:35]

wagnerrp:

so you already have the imdb numbers?

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: yeah

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wagnerrp:

so gut your tool, to do nothing more than populate videometadata with the imdb numbers

[17:11:19]

wagnerrp:

and then let jamu run from there

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mjj29:

aha

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mjj29:

well, I've just run it which has set _some_ of the fields

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mjj29:

hopefully including the imdb number

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wagnerrp:

basically, the only thing in jamu that isnt automated is what sphery described

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: if I just run it and some fields are filled out, will it refresh them all?

[17:13:28]

wagnerrp:

if you get something with multiple valid search responses, jamu will ask what to do

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wagnerrp:

if you have an imdb number in the intid field, jamu will refresh your local data with whatever is current in tmdb/ttvdb

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mjj29:

where is jamu?

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wagnerrp:

should be included in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

and theres a long howto on the wiki

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dustybin:

bias lighting kicks ass: http://www.instructables.com/id/Bias-lighting-on-the-cheap/

[17:15:25]

mjj29:

aha

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justinh:

kicking your ass would kick ass, dustybin

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wagnerrp:

now the 'proper' thing to do would be to just buy more monitors until a sufficient amount of your field of vision is filled, such that there is no advantage to a backlight

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iamlindoro:

sigh, apparently now I'm available for private one-on-one e-mail theme tutoring

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mjj29:

damn, needs python-imdb newer than debian stable

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wagnerrp:

honestly, that should be optional

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wagnerrp:

imdbpy is designed for proper use of imdb data... and that means offline scanning of their rather massive downloadable database

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wagnerrp:

i dare say 99.9% of jamu's users do not have that prerequisite

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** mjj29 attempts to backport it **

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: When Myth supports TMDB#s instead of IMDB# for movies that requirement for python-imdb will be removed from Jamu. Right now searching for movies using that library is much faster than doing the same thing through TMDB.

[17:35:25]

wagnerrp:

huh... seems imdbpy does allow pulling from the website

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wagnerrp:

i had thought it was offline only

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justinh:

iamlindoro: it never happened ;-)

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mjj29:

it seems to be ignoring my bannerdir setting

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justinh:

or if it did, just get a new email address :)

[17:36:46]

mjj29:

and then trying to find it in the home dir of the _wrong user_

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mjj29:

(I su'd and it's still using the old user, but $HOME is correct)

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: are you using storage groups?

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: not as far as I am aware

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mjj29:

is it trying to read them from the mythtv db instead of the config file I just gave it?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo now allows streaming of content over mythproto, if you use storage groups instead of the old paths

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mjj29:

is that relevant to jamu?

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wagnerrp:

the current limitations are no external programs, and no ISO playback for storage group content

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wagnerrp:

local content uses the database settings (like 'mythvideo.BannerDir'), while storage group content uses the storage group folders for storing of images

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: Fir any Myth related option (-M) jamu will use the data base directory settings storage groups forst then FE settings for the hostname you are running jamu on.

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** mjj29 wonders where those are set then **

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: The config file directories are ignored for -M related options.

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wagnerrp:

storage groups are defined in mythtv-setup, local folders are defined in the frontend in mythvideo's setup

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** mjj29 hacks the gibson^W^W^W changes them manually with a mysql client **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: dbox instructions removed from howto--thanks, again for noticing.

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justinh:

such a shame about the dbox type stuff not being usable on UK cable. I could've had a nice open network streaming cable recorder for all the channels I pay for

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LetsGo67:

hello

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mjj29:

RDV_Linux: if I run it with -MIV will it just look at the entries in the mythtv videometadata table with an inetid not 99999999 ?

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mjj29:

RDV_Linux: or will it try scanning the rest of my filesystem?

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: -I means interactive, so it WILL prompt you on any video it finds multiple results for

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wagnerrp:

and i believe all of JAMU will ignore anything with an intid of 99999999

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** justinh stands back in amazement at #6814. It's had much TLC. Very awesome **

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: sure, but all the others have intids

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: Any videometadata record with an interef as 99999999 (eight nines) will be ignored. All video files in a MythVideo directory either FE dir or storage groups "Videos" will be processed by Jamu.

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mjj29:

because I changed all the 000000s to 99999999

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mjj29:

RDV_Linux: can I make it only do things with a videometadata record already?

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: no

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wagnerrp:

i thought thats what 'maintenance' mode was for

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justinh:

mjj29: you could if you modified it maybe.. but having seen it I wouldn't wanna

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: The original [urpose of Jamu was to have a batch method of adding all your video files to MythVideo plus download all text and image metadata.

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mjj29:

RDV_Linux: I have a set of them for which I have imdb numbers already

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justinh:

sphery: now just mythvideo to do huh? ;-)

[17:58:02]

mjj29:

I want to batch download the data for them without any prompting

[17:58:44]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, MythVideo and proglist need the MENU toggle functionality. :)

[17:58:47]

mjj29:

possibly I can change the mythvideo path, since they are all under a giveen path

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Actually you are correct you can use the -MV option and any videometadata record with a interef number will be processed and the others will be ignored.

[17:59:14]

** mjj29 tries that **

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sphery:

justinh: btw, thanks for the original patch that Paul committed. It will quell a /lot/ of the complaints.

[17:59:31]

LetsGo67:

How do I get it to work with my HVR-1250 please?

[17:59:46]

wagnerrp:

'it'?

[17:59:53]

LetsGo67:

mythtv that is

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justinh:

sphery: np, I'd hoped to get it this far myself but what with one thing & another never had the chance when I was off work

[18:00:30]

wagnerrp:

add the card as a DVB tuner, scan for channels, apply the xmltvids as found on the schedulesdirect website, and youre done

[18:00:34]

sphery:

LetsGo67: we can't assume you're talking about MythTV since so many people ask off-topic questions. :)

[18:01:02]

justinh:

but, that said it's awesome how a kernel of an idea like that can sprout wings thanks to amazing folks round here :)

[18:01:06]

LetsGo67:

wagnerrp how do I do all of that? Sounds complicated. Is the card even supported?

[18:01:12]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, time is the hard part--but your work made it a /lot/ easier for Paul.

[18:01:27]

justinh:

sphery: and nevermind other people, I *really* want it :D

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justinh:

that damn harmony INFO button mocks me every time I look at it :P

[18:01:51]

wagnerrp:

no, mythtv does not support the HVR-1250.... mythtv supports the DVB API, and the DVB API supports the HVR-1250

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: Assuming you have well formed video file names and also want to add video files that are missing from MythVideo you can use the -MGV option. That tells Jamu to "guess" at what movie or tv series the file is for without prompting you.

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RDV_Linux:

mjj29: Any movie or tv series not found then the video file is skipped.

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wagnerrp:

if your card does not show up in linux (nothing in /dev/dvb/), you need to seek assistance in either #linuxtv or your distro's channel

[18:02:32]

wagnerrp:

if your card does show up, then youre in the right place

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LetsGo67:

wagnerrp: are you sure? How do I configure all of that?

[18:02:41]

mjj29:

RDV_Linux: atm I don't, but thanks

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LetsGo67:

wagnerrp: the card shows up as adapter0

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mjj29:

should I have leading zeros in the inetref field?

[18:02:58]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, it makes things a lot easier. I also like the new meaning of the INFO binding (to get, er, information)

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LetsGo67:

AND does MythTV support S-Video input?

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mjj29:

it seems to be logging 'can't find movie' a lot

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wagnerrp:

LetsGo67: mythtv supports analog capture through the V4L and IVTV APIs, as well as from the HDPVR

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sphery:

LetsGo67: S-Video is supported. RF-modulated output from a VCR or STB (using RG-59 or RG-6 to carry an NTSC-/PAL-encoded channel 3 or 4 or whatever) not so much.

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wagnerrp:

if your device is not supported by either of those APIs, then mythtv cannot use it for analog capture

[18:04:12]

LetsGo67:

How do I set it up?

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wagnerrp:

in your case, no... linux does not have analog support for the HVR-1250

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sphery:

S-Video and composite work great, though--assuming the card supports it (as wagnerrp mentioned :)

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** sphery is always behind wagnerrp in getting the right answer out... **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: RF is supported, its just shunned (and rightfully so)

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LetsGo67:

demux0, dvr0, frontend0, net0...

[18:05:30]

LetsGo67:

... WHO CARES about RF?

[18:05:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but it's rumored to be non-functional

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LetsGo67:

:)

[18:05:45]

LetsGo67:

I want S-Video, not 1921 RF!

[18:05:45]

sphery:

you'd have to use a hack to make the channel change script also tune the tuner on the card

[18:06:02]

wagnerrp:

LetsGo67: as mentioned, video capture on your card is not supported under linux

[18:06:17]

LetsGo67:

Who killed my card? Why does my card show up?

[18:06:25]

wagnerrp:

digital tuning != video capture

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wagnerrp:

digital tuning works just fine

[18:06:42]

sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, you recently worked with the DB logging stuff... Is the mythlog.host field in the DB just referencing which host logged the event?

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LetsGo67:

Hauppauge.com: "Linux support for the WinTV-HVR-1250 and WinTV-HVR-1800 is in the current kernel 2.6.25 release."

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sphery:

LetsGo67: You want a PVR-150 or PVR-500 for analog capture or an HVR-1600 for analog and digital.

[18:07:33]

wagnerrp:

sphery: thats my guess

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LetsGo67:

sphery but it has an S-Video.

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sphery:

LetsGo67: otherwise, you'll get 1941 analog framegrabber capture

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wagnerrp:

LetsGo67: as mentioned, youre card is supported as a digital tuner under linux... your card is not supported as an analog capture device under linux

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sphery:

meaning the CPU does all the work

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wagnerrp:

those are two completely independent subsystems under linux

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LetsGo67:

wagnerrp: so can I use the digital capture please?

[18:08:30]

wagnerrp:

digital tuner, yes

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sphery:

the HVR-1800 works with *nix, but there's a problem with the driver that prevents it working with Myth

[18:08:47]

sphery:

digital capture with HVR-1250 is great

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LetsGo67:

wagnerrp: step-by-step?

[18:08:52]

wagnerrp:

capture implies that you would be capturing raw video over DVI/HDMI

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sphery:

but that requires a digital connection (meaning no S-Video)

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LetsGo67:

sphery: how would you know?

[18:09:49]

sphery:

know about problem with the HVR-1800 driver? Because it's been mentioned in here (and I spend too much time here :)

[18:10:03]

LetsGo67:

sphery: there are only two ports. Antenna and S-Video.

[18:10:15]

sphery:

for digital capture you need to use the Antenna port

[18:10:19]

wagnerrp:

antenna works just fine for digital broadcasts and digital cable

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LetsGo67:

sphery: okay. How do I read the Antenna port in Ubuntu?

[18:10:36]

sphery:

takes an ATSC or QAM modulated signal and pulls out the data stream

[18:11:00]

sphery:

using the dvb tools--azap, et. al.

[18:11:05]

sphery:

or using MythTV :)

[18:11:22]

LetsGo67:

I am new to all of this. Sphery, how do I configure it to work in MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

have you read the documentation?

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LetsGo67:

no

[18:12:31]

LetsGo67:

no time

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wagnerrp:

then we have no time to help you

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sphery:

basically, you need to go through http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html and for the capture card, use a DVB card, for the Input Connections, you'll need to scan for channels, then map xmltvid's appropriately, then run mythfilldatabase.

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LetsGo67:

Why is it so hard in Linux? Why can't it just be plug and play?»

[18:13:25]

sphery:

my description leaves out about 99% of the necessary details, but those are documented, too. :)

[18:13:38]

sphery:

LetsGo67: unfortunately because everyone's configuration is different

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sphery:

if you want a single configuration that just works, TiVo is the tool for you :)

[18:13:56]

sphery:

(or a cable company DVR)

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sphery:

Even Windows MCE is a pain to set up.

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wagnerrp:

basically, if you want control, you cant have plug-and-play

[18:15:03]

wagnerrp:

theres a lot of work that could be done on auto-detection and auto-configuration

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sphery:

Most people I know who have tried Win MCE have gotten it to the "can do some LiveTV sometimes" stage. Some may have gotten it to record a show or 2 manually, but most find it's not worth the effort when a $6/mo cable-co DVR just works.

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wagnerrp:

but there are some things that just have to be done manually

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sphery:

agreed.

[18:16:03]

wagnerrp:

anyway, this channel exists as assistance when you get stuck

[18:16:19]

wagnerrp:

we are not here to hold your hand step-by-step because you have not read any documentation

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mjj29:

ok, so the UI's 'download metadata' option works wonders

[18:17:39]

mjj29:

is jamu the only way to avoid invoking it on every single file?

[18:17:48]

mjj29:

I can't invoke it on a directory, for example?

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wagnerrp:

not currently, no

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wagnerrp:

but its all threaded in the background

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wagnerrp:

so considering you already have imdbids filled in, its fire-and-forget

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mjj29:

I see

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wagnerrp:

hit 'w', go to the next, hit 'w'

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mjj29:

that's probably not too tedious

[18:18:44]

wagnerrp:

you can probably burn through everything in under 10 minutes

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LetsGo67:

says "MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

[18:19:34]

wagnerrp:

LetsGo67: have you gone through mythtv-setup? have you done steps 2–4?

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wagnerrp:

youre getting that error because you have no inputs defined, so there are none available to use

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wagnerrp:

likely because you didnt read the documentation, and thought you could 'wing it'

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LetsGo67:

Thanks, but I will have to do the steps when I have more time.

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LetsGo67:

TTYL!

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wagnerrp:

...

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wagnerrp:

NOW NOW! DO THIS FOR ME!

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Discovery Channel has really gone to new extremes lately

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sphery:

not enough time to read the structured HTML documentation that walks you through configuration/setup, but feels it takes less time to read the structured step-by-step someone might type in here...

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iamlindoro:

Dirty Jobs castration-with-teeth the other day, today it's Bear Grylls giving himself an enema

[18:25:30]

** sphery considers PM'ing the next guy the contents of the HOWTO **

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sphery:

when you see me get flood-kicked, you'll know why

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sphery:

iamlindoro: wow... I remember when they used to have science stuff on Discovery.

[18:26:24]

sphery:

like the good old days when they had Music on MTV

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

and science on TLC

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iamlindoro:

crazy talk

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sphery:

now it seems there's more science on History

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iamlindoro:

Travel Channel is all cooking shows

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wagnerrp:

what show was it where they have some self-proclaimed doctor, whos not a doctor at all?

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sphery:

Wonder how long until the Food Network starts doing travel info

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wagnerrp:

went out into the bush, ate some feces, because he wanted to experience intestinal worms

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sphery:

wow...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I would be so happy if I could just watch travel shows *somewhere*, even if the naming is wrong

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sphery:

that's just wrong

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sphery:

iamlindoro: other option is to just travel. :)

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sphery:

(more expensive, though--even if you get the full cable package)

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iamlindoro:

I mean there's countless travel shows out there-- so how come the only things you can watch on Travel Cahnnel are Anthony Bourdain, Man Versus Food, and a couple other travel shows?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Wish I had the money to live in my own home these days, let alone travel

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that sounds like CA

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I could move and be your neighbor if my house wasn't $200K less valuable than when I bought it

[18:32:05]

sphery:

heh, that $200K would buy you my neighbors house

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iamlindoro:

The amount my house is worth I could be your neighbor on either side... if I could get out of the mortgage ;)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea why jobqueue.cmds is a bitfield?

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wagnerrp:

obviously you cant legitimately tell something to pause and resume at the same time

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sphery:

no idea

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sphery:

capt M is the one who would know

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wagnerrp:

yeah, didnt know if you might remember something from years past

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter, just curious as to what use it might have been

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sphery:

not this time... sory.

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mjj29:

hrm

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mjj29:

I have all my films symlinked per genre

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mjj29:

so there are multiple entries in the database

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mjj29:

now, I updated all the canonical locations

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mjj29:

then wrote a script to copy over the contents of the database row to the duplicate entries

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mjj29:

(matching imdbid / different intid and filename, left those and replicated the other fields)

[18:54:48]

wagnerrp:

external script is the only way to handle that

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wagnerrp:

its otherwise wholly unsupported by mythtv

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mjj29:

right, I've just done that

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention likely to break completely in .23 with hash checking

[18:55:09]

mjj29:

but it's still not showing up when I visit the other location inn mythtv

[18:55:18]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that too

[18:55:26]

mjj29:

iamlindoro: are you going to break my nice video categorizing >-(

[18:55:45]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will find the new video, scan it, see its identical to the first, and replace the location of the first

[18:55:53]

iamlindoro:

I'm not breaking anything, I work on supported myth configurations, that ain't it

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justinh:

whee another COUGH 4:3 theme for 0.22

[18:56:17]

iamlindoro:

justinh, whichnow? One one that's Gant with KDE imagery?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: there's no host column in videometadata, right? The hostname is embedded in the filename column?

[18:57:10]

justinh:

kde-air or something

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: is there anyway to fix that

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iamlindoro:

sphery, no, there's a host column

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mjj29:

sphery: there is a host column

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: s/fix/disable

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justinh:

GANT sucks less, put it that way ;)

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: im not the author

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iamlindoro:

justinh, heh, it *is* GANT, when you look at it

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jst:

Can someone help me figure out why I can't watch recordings/live TV from one of my frontends? Here's the log: http://pastebin.com/d2b84085b

[18:57:55]

iamlindoro:

no, there's no way to disable hashing-- having many copies of a single video in the DB is not supported

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justinh:

iamlindoro: that's the rub. you have to look at it

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sphery:

OK, it must have been added since 0.21 (need to upgrade my video DB?)

[18:58:06]

iamlindoro:

justinh, heh

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yes, in .22

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sphery:

and there's no hostname embedded in other data?

[18:58:25]

iamlindoro:

sphery, among several other fields (and several since .22)

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: having multiple genres for one video IS supported, and can be filtered against

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iamlindoro:

sphery, correct, that's the only place host information is kept

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mjj29:

iamlindoro: wth not?

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sphery:

thx

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iamlindoro:

mjj29, Because it's my baby and I don't wanna?

[18:59:03]

mjj29:

iamlindoro: mythtv is not the only thing which is looking at my video files

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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mjj29:

iamlindoro: and not the only thing which knows how to categorize them

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justinh:

mjj29: so?

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iamlindoro:

so you should stay with .22, then

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sphery:

jst: times on your frontend/backend differ?

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: so only let mythtv map the original directory, and let other programs access the symlinks as they please

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sphery:

jst: test Myth with recordings, not with LiveTV

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: sure, but that then depends on mythtv doing genres in a sensible fashion

[19:00:40]

iamlindoro:

Especially since Myth now allows you to view by genre/actor/director/etc. with only one copy

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sphery:

jst: once you get recordings working, fix LiveTV

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jst:

sphery, they do not differ, fails with LiveTV.

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mjj29:

and precludes my having mythtv display things in a different categorization than one it knows about

[19:01:08]

iamlindoro:

that's life for ya

[19:01:11]

mjj29:

once I get all the metadata in mythtv I suppose it will be better

[19:01:13]

sphery:

jst: is it the same host for backend and frontend?

[19:01:14]

jst:

Oh, wait.

[19:01:19]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i know you were working on some auto-generated directory layout at one point, has that gone anywhere?

[19:01:30]

sphery:

jst: even a few seconds difference can break LiveTV

[19:01:32]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That's all been in since before .22

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, the Metadata browse modes (Menu->Browse By)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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jst:

I had under General >> page 2 >> Use custom identifier for frontend preference (CHEKCED)

[19:02:00]

jst:

I unchecked it and it works fine now.

[19:02:06]

sphery:

cool

[19:02:08]

unixSnob:

is PAL or NTSC used in belgium?

[19:02:08]

jst:

How can I clear out all those unique preferences?

[19:02:13]

wagnerrp:

PAL

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iamlindoro:

PAL

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jst:

I have so many different ones for my machines and some do not work right.

[19:02:18]

unixSnob:

ty

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sphery:

jst: just leave them in there--they won't hurt

[19:02:43]

sphery:

jst: in the future, we'll have the ability to copy/delete machine settings data

[19:02:49]

jst:

But I need them because some computers dual boot--MythTV for Windows and MythTV on Ubuntu.

[19:02:52]

sphery:

then you can clean them up

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jst:

:(

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mjj29:

iamlindoro: so, in 0.22, if I have 5 identical lines in the db

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sphery:

use a different name if you need reset settings

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mjj29:

in videometadata

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jst:

I think I'm going to reinstall w/ Xubuntu anyways.

[19:03:20]

jst:

I know.

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jst:

Thanks, sphery.

[19:03:26]

mjj29:

why wouldn't those be displayed on all of the files

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wagnerrp:

kind of off topic... is there a way to do a join in mysql where it doesnt include the fields of the joined table in the response?

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mjj29:

(identical other than filename and intid

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wagnerrp:

besides outright defining the specific fields you want

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: which technically you should be doing anyway

[19:03:59]

mjj29:

no, I don't think there is

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iamlindoro:

because they would have identical file hashes, and only one of each hash is allowed in the database in any version of myth > .22

[19:04:04]

mjj29:

you could try tablealias.*

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mjj29:

iamlindoro: in 0.22 though

[19:04:16]

mjj29:

or is that >=?

[19:04:21]

mjj29:

iamlindoro: it is displaying the coverart

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mjj29:

which I had in there before

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iamlindoro:

I have no idea what you are asking

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mjj29:

but not anything else

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iamlindoro:

"<mjj29> why wouldn't those be displayed on all of the files"

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iamlindoro:

where "those" == ?

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mjj29:

iamlindoro: so, my script added coverart, inetref and title

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wagnerrp:

mjj29: that did it

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wagnerrp:

thanks

[19:05:01]

mjj29:

which are being displayed on all the symlinks

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justinh:

if the theme doesn't use said artwork...

[19:05:16]

mjj29:

then I used 'w' to update the original copy

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mjj29:

which added all the other data

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mjj29:

and that data (director, runtime, etc) is displayed when I look at that file

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iamlindoro:

because metadata gets updated for a unique metadata record, not on every record matching title/filename/whatever

[19:05:51]

mjj29:

then I ran a script to set those fields on all the others

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mjj29:

by copying it over

[19:06:10]

mjj29:

so now if you look at all rows with a matching inetref, they have the same director etc

[19:06:16]

iamlindoro:

mjj29, Sorry, but all of what you are doing is completely unsupported/unsupportable

[19:06:16]

wagnerrp:

have you exited out of mythvideo to let it refresh?

[19:06:23]

mjj29:

wagnerrp: yup

[19:06:52]

mjj29:

iamlindoro: I know, I was hoping you might have a clue like "it also updates this other table, you'll have to prod that to make it refresh" or something

[19:06:53]

wagnerrp:

(at the moment)

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iamlindoro:

I can't provide support for external scripts, and many records of the same item is not supported, so I have to regrettably say that it does weird things for precisely the reason that it's unsupported

[19:07:39]

mjj29:

iamlindoro: are there any other tables I might have to look at?

[19:07:41]

wagnerrp:

if Capt'Ms proposed changes get brought in, multiple copies of a single file could be handled rather painlessly

[19:07:58]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, still won't accomplish what he wants

[19:08:11]

iamlindoro:

which is different/scripted display styles

[19:08:19]

iamlindoro:

mjj29, No, all metadata is in videometadata

[19:08:47]

mjj29:

iamlindoro: 'browse by' doesn't seem to do anything

[19:08:47]

iamlindoro:

well, all relevant to the visual display, anyway

[19:08:56]

mjj29:

it just sends me back to the top level

[19:09:00]

justinh:

why would anybody want multiple versions of the same file anyhow?

[19:09:00]

wagnerrp:

the only outside data is crossreferenced stuff like cast, genres, countries, and markup data

[19:09:05]

justinh:

sounds idiotic to me

[19:09:19]

mjj29:

justinh: symlinks from folders like "Genres/Comedy" et al

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iamlindoro:

mjj29, It works fine on intact, supportable databases

[19:09:25]

iamlindoro:

yours is not

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iamlindoro:

Again, I really cannot provide you any support for doing things which are unsupported/unsupportable

[19:09:52]

justinh:

so just put the symlinks outside the mythvideo storage groups & let myth handle things properly

[19:09:59]

wagnerrp:

thats what i said

[19:10:09]

mjj29:

justinh: sure, if browsing by genre et al worked properly

[19:10:09]

justinh:

wagnerrp: I know. if enough people talk sense..

[19:10:25]

mjj29:

justinh: I've only just now got all the metadata into mythtv

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justinh:

ignore -replies mjj29

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justinh:

damn slash key.

[19:10:54]

mjj29:

justinh: gee thanks

[19:16:15]

justinh:

a new year, a new list :-) It got rather long last year, but ignorance was bliss

[19:16:24]

justinh:

or rather, a lack of it

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unixSnob:

this belgian cable running from the cable box to tv is strange.. has like 10 big pins. There are no RCA plugs. what am i dealing with?

[19:18:41]

justinh:

probably an old Euro AV connector

[19:19:07]

justinh:

what does the connector really look like?

[19:19:14]

unixSnob:

actually it's 20 pins

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wagnerrp:

SCART

[19:19:21]

justinh:

SCART :-)

[19:19:23]

unixSnob:

two rows of 10

[19:19:27]

justinh:

21 pins actually

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART

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unixSnob:

yeah, looks like that

[19:20:09]

wagnerrp:

thats what that is

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unixSnob:

what a pain.. will I need a scart to S-video cable.. or is it worse than that?

[19:20:50]

wagnerrp:

assuming the device supports svideo over scart

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unixSnob:

will I need some converter

[19:21:13]

wagnerrp:

no, just an adapter

[19:21:28]

wagnerrp:

scart will push composite, svideo, rgb, and audio

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wagnerrp:

and apparently component

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unixSnob:

the best signal my capture card takes is s-video

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unixSnob:

but it also takes composite and coax

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justinh:

svideo OR RGB

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justinh:

you can't have svideo AND RGB on SCART at the same time :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, composite and one of the other three

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wagnerrp:

well, composite, stereo audio, and one of the other three

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unixSnob:

okay.. so i need to find out if the device has s-vid, or composite

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justinh:

probably only composite or RGB are offered

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mjj29:

for reference, I needed to restart the whole of frontend, not just mythvideo

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justinh:

our cable STB only gives us that choice

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unixSnob:

the motorola box actually has two SCART connectors on the back.. so I could have a couple options

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wagnerrp:

likely, one is input, one output

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wagnerrp:

for daisy-chaining

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justinh:

only will likely be a VCR output only offering stereo audio & composite video

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justinh:

it might possibly pass through video from one socket to the other when it's powered down

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unixSnob:

it says "digital" on the box.. so i'm thinking it's probably a component output (and my capture card doesn't take component)

[19:29:43]

unixSnob:

yeah, the other one is input it turns out

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wagnerrp:

component != digital

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: i have a component digital setup back in the states

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wagnerrp:

component != digital

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unixSnob:

i've confirmed it

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unixSnob:

trust me

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wagnerrp:

trust me

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unixSnob:

1080i over component

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wagnerrp:

is not digital

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justinh:

that's still analogue

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unixSnob:

ah, yeah, what am i thinking

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unixSnob:

hd, but analog

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** wagnerrp slaps unixSnob **

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justinh:

god, the BS that comes along every weekend

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wagnerrp:

come to your senses man

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unixSnob:

so this must be hdmi over SCART

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wagnerrp:

very doubtful

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justinh:

nope

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gbee:

that's even less likely than digital component

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wagnerrp:

it may be a digital receiver, but thats a analog output

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justinh:

if a connector on a cable box is labelled DIGITAL it's probably just for some kind of external decoder

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gbee:

I think wagnerrp has hit the nail

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justinh:

the manual supplied with such a box should say

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justinh:

these things DO often come with booklets which explain what all the sockets are for

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gbee:

a digital receiver doesn't necessarily output in digital (I'd say the vast majority of digital STBs in the UK don't have any digital outputs)

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unixSnob:

the hotel supplies a manual for everything but this

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wagnerrp:

HDMI has a similar number of pins, but it requires certain pins to be twisted, in order to retain signal integrity over any significant distance

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justinh:

the hotel?!

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wagnerrp:

SCART is probably passthrough cable

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unixSnob:

yes, i live in a hotel

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wagnerrp:

untwisted

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justinh:

do they take kindly to guests hooking up their own equipment?

[19:34:52]

wagnerrp:

well im sure hes hooking his computer into their equipment

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justinh:

wagnerrp: for reasons of termination it's never directly passed through

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justinh:

if there's any kind of passthrough it'll be buffered/switched electronically

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unixSnob:

one SCART shows the input symbol on it, and the one in use has what I would call a passthrough symbol on it (like -> [] -> )

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justinh:

unixSnob: one is an output, the other has input & output

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justinh:

which presumably means the input *and* output one is for a VCR

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unixSnob:

there is an input, and a passthrough

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justinh:

if it's even used.

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justinh:

it won't be a passthrough

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unixSnob:

input is a box with an arrow pointing into it

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justinh:

it won't be a passthrough

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: and while hdmi uses twisted pair cabling, scart uses coaxial cabling, (unless you're buying cheap cable)

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justinh:

it'll likely provide an input which gets fed to its output when the STB is switched off

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justinh:

I said all this earlier

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justinh:

if you want to know the common practises w.r.t SCART ask a European who has used SCART a lot of their life

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unixSnob:

okay, the connection being used has an icon that looks like a tape recorder [oo] and a double arrow <-> next to it

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gbee:

SCART is god awful

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justinh:

SCART was the best thing since sliced bread when it arrived

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unixSnob:

what does [oo]<--> mean?

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gbee:

although it was light years ahead of anything in the US etc

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justinh:

I lost count of the number of DIN/PL259/RCA adapters we had to have

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gbee:

[oo] == VCR (looks like a tape casette)

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justinh:

and <--> implies it has inputs & outputs

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justinh:

arrows going both ways, see

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wagnerrp:

SCART is a damn sight better than our solution.... 'just use RF over channel 3!'

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unixSnob:

so it's a passthrough

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justinh:

O_O ;-)

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AndyCap:

ô_ô

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justinh:

NOT PASSTHROUGH

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gbee:

justinh: the actual cable might have been fine for all I know, but the connectors were a huge weak point, not a week goes by when I don't lose audio on the STB because it's come lose again

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wagnerrp:

its a repeater

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unixSnob:

i think the model is motorola dvi1000

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justinh:

to all intents & purposes YES maybe you COULD call it 'passthrough' but that isn't technically what it's doing

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justinh:

gbee: yeah given a simple latching mechanism it'd have been a winner

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justinh:

cables of good enough quality are too stiff & heavy to be useful with SCART

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justinh:

I got busy with cable ties behind my teevee. nothing has ever fallen out :D

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justinh:

unixSnob: took 10 secs to verify that the 2nd SCART is for a VCR

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unixSnob:

DVI1000 only has press releases on the motorola site, no manuals.. figures

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justinh:

http://www.aster.pl/files//wwa/pliki/instrukc . . . _DVi1000.pdf

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unixSnob:

i found the manual, in polish

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unixSnob:

yeah, that one

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justinh:

item 3, the top SCART socket is for VCR

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unixSnob:

interesting.. the VCR connector goes to the TV

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unixSnob:

and the TV connector is not used

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unixSnob:

tv one works too

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justinh:

so you'll be able to use the TV output connector to your capture card

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justinh:

& bet your life it'll only be composite video & stereo audio

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justinh:

read on further in that PDF & you'll see it's also in English

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unixSnob:

well if it's composite, that will at least work for me.. i just need to make sure that's the case

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unixSnob:

ha, nice!

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unixSnob:

found the aingles

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unixSnob:

there's also a coax connector.. kinda

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unixSnob:

it looks like a male RCA

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RaygT:

hello

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justinh:

unixSnob: that'll be a european RF output. Like the manual says

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unixSnob:

heh.. i've seen these SCART cables at swap meets, and though what kind of ancient commodor 64 type machines are belgians still using

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RaygT:

where i can set the backend ip? the myhtv-backend runs on another box than the frontend?

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unixSnob:

s/though/thought/

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justinh:

RaygT: assuming the machines all have different hostnames, you just point a frontend at the database

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justinh:

the frontend then looks in the database to find out how to get to the backend

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RaygT:

yes, the frontend connectes to the database

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RaygT:

but not to the backend

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mjj29:

a completely different question

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RaygT:

if i run the frontend in an console, i will connect to the backend at localhost

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justinh:

your backend is probably bound to localhost not the LAN IP of the backend machine

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mjj29:

I thought there was a menu option in the internal video player for subtitles

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justinh:

so you need to run mythtv-setup on the backend machine

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mjj29:

or doesn't 0.22 support subtitle streams in mkvs?

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justinh:

and change it to run on the LAN IP address not 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

only image based ones

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RaygT:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

no text streams in mkvs

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RaygT:

thanks :)

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mjj29:

it's an image stream

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mjj29:

hmm, actually, this one might not

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** mjj29 checks one he ripped **

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justinh:

RaygT: and for goodness' sakes make sure the backend is stopped before you do that

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mjj29:

wagnerrp: ok, you're right, this anime is only in japanese with text subtitles

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mjj29:

the one with two languages and a vobsub stream gives me options for both

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mjj29:

that's a pain

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Tarsys___:

Hello world, I am tryibng to help some friends with a dance school. They have 3 buildings, each building has 4 studios. they want a central Mp3 repository and terminals in each room to be able to pick the current song that's playing.

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Tarsys___:

I think a mythtv setup would actually work.

[20:05:25]

Tarsys___:

I was wondering if I could have some input before I suggest it.

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Tarsys___:

A frontend in each studio a backend per building and synched backends.

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justinh:

if you can network the buildings just have one server

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justinh:

doesn't really make sense to do otherwise

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justinh:

nor does it really make sense to use mythtv just for music playback in such a scenario IMHO

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gbee:

I don't think mythmusic is really suited for it, at least not yet, in a year maybe

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justinh:

in terms of searching through really big collections, it's not quite optimal yet

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justinh:

depends on how you use it & your mindset. I got my head around it quite easily but many can't

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Tarsys___:

Mythmusic? haven't heard of that project yet

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justinh:

mythmusic is mythtv's music plugin

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Tarsys___:

thanks for a lead justinh.

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Tarsys___:

Ok

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justinh:

there are certain features in mythtv which use logic you either 'get' or don't.. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Heh... trunk (< 30 days from feature freeze) is still naming all the libs -0.22

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Tarsys___:

oh... considering that dance instructors are not the most tech savvy or patient at learning computer stuff.

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justinh:

Tarsys___: TBH I've still yet to see a complete & utter no-brain required player

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Tarsys___:

justinh: I agree, I am looking for something simple and usable... nothing yet.

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gbee:

iamlindoro: tends to be changed at the last minute

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Tarsys___:

especially with tempo modification

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wagnerrp:

Tarsys___: you may want to try something like MPD, and one of the web controls for it

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iamlindoro:

gbee, ah, was so used to trunk pre-0.22 being .22

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gbee:

though I'd like to see some automated solution based on the branch name, unfortunately svn doesn't offer that

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gbee:

iamlindoro: that was the exception to recent history

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Tarsys___:

wagnerrp: thank you for the advice, another project I will look into.

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iamlindoro:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

ive never used it, but it seems like it could provide a very simple access to such a thing

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gbee:

last time around someone decided not to leave it so long

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Josh__:

I'm having a weird issue. I'm getting some corruption in my recordings from my HDHomerun, so I copied one to my windows 7 laptop. It refuses to play, period. Any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

run checksums on both files

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syamajala:

hmm

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syamajala:

so i put the pvr-150 i got into my system

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, md5 suitable?

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wagnerrp:

any checksum

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wagnerrp:

just make sure the copy myth is playing, and the copy windows cannot play, are the same

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Josh__:

grrr.

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justinh:

heh I still get files which sometimes play in either VLC or WMP, no rhyme or reason

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justinh:

work fine in myth though :)

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justinh:

what usually happens is what doesn't play in VLC will be ok in WMP & vice-versa. Stupid

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Josh__:

the file is gone from the LiveTV SG. It was *just* recorded, so I don't think it expired.

[20:19:30]

Josh__:

And samba permissions are set readonly, grr.

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wagnerrp:

what good would samba do?

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Josh__:

nothing in the backend log

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Josh__:

I dont' have a linux workstation.

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wagnerrp:

you dont have the original to check against the file that isnt working

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Josh__:

Just being informative, I thought I may have "moved" the file rather than copied.

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, it doesnt' appear so, still digging.

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wagnerrp:

oh, you thought you had moved it rather than copied it

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Dagmar:

bleh. Forgot firewire support in the kernel

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Tarsys___:

wagnerp: MPD it does not support tempo shifting.

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Josh__:

screw it, making another recording.

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Tarsys___:

Folks the leads you gave me are great though, I think I will do some research on my own too. :)

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wagnerrp:

ok, ive not used it... i didnt know if it did or not

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unixSnob:

damn.. Plextor ConvertX doesn't have a working linux driver

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wagnerrp:

sure it does

[20:25:53]

unixSnob:

not for 2.6.26

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wagnerrp:

mythtv lists it specifically as a possible capture device

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Josh__:

DTVSM(101347BE-0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(6) desired(4)

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unixSnob:

and the most recent kernel crashes

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unixSnob:

this driver has a mess of patches for each kernel increment, each of which still has issues

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever used one

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Josh__:

Okay, this time I did a recording rather than LiveTV, it should not be expired immediately.

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: apparently it's theoretical

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: the wiki needs updating.. the driver link and contact link is dead

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iamlindoro:

if only everyone could edit a wiki

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unixSnob:

heh.. someone did edit it.. i spoke too soon.. they just didn't bother to remove the trash

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wagnerrp:

program.airdate is only valid for movies?

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, md5sum is the same for both files.

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antgel:

getting this roughly once a day on my main mythbox http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1745964. have run samsung's own diagnostic utility, no errors after a long full scan. do i need to worry about these errors? the system is operationally fine

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antgel:

FSV of fine ;)

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wagnerrp:

antgel: buggy ATA drivers, perhaps?

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antgel:

wagnerrp: perhaps. running 2.6.31. *shrug* only thing is that my other box which is totally identical except for being a slave backend, and being used much less, has never shown the error

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antgel:

i could try 2.6.32 – have never quite been able to get my head around patching the kernel to upgrade, don't fancy downloading the whole thing

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Josh__:

antgel, is the samsung drive the only ide device attached to your controller?

[21:00:56]

antgel:

Josh__: there's a SATA CD-ROM as well

[21:01:03]

Josh__:

hmm.

[21:01:18]

Josh__:

SATA should be dedicated, but I'd pull it and test

[21:01:32]

Josh__:

google says bad hardware is most always the culprit.

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antgel:

Josh__: i didn't find much conclusive stuff on the web. everyone seems to think it's hardware, but nobody's sure. plus it passed the samsung diagnostic

[21:03:00]

antgel:

i have a USB backup drive coming soon – i might just RMA the internal one once i've got a good backup

[21:03:08]

Josh__:

antgel, samsung diagnostic was ran on it's own live environment, correct?

[21:03:14]

antgel:

i don't fancy configuring myth again from starters. ever

[21:03:25]

antgel:

Josh__: yep, bootable .iso

[21:04:17]

Josh__:

antgel, then all that did is tell you your drive itself was good. samsung's environment most definately didn't care about the other hardware in the system.

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Josh__:

grrr

[21:05:41]

Josh__:

this recording copied over to my laptop just fine, but it won't load in VLC nor Windows Media player.

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[21:06:03]

Josh__:

It loads the first frame, but then closes immediately after.

[21:06:10]

antgel:

Josh__: you suggesting a problem with the SATA controller?

[21:06:32]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: how do you use chapters in MKV files for MythTV?

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Josh__:

antgel, I don't have enough information to make that assumption. I'm suggesting you pull all non-essential ATA devices and try it.

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Josh__:

Could be a hardware problem, could be a kernel issue.

[21:07:37]

antgel:

Josh__: could do. or as [R] suggested elsewhere, i could swap the drives – i have two otherwise-identical mythboxes

[21:08:06]

antgel:

i'm going to upgrade the kernel first. much prefer not dicking around with hardware

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, You don't, currently, we don't have any support for AVChapter

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** iamlindoro feels elmojo's next project coming on **

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Josh__:

Worth a shot. I trust the samsung diagnostic though. Keep in mind that the samsung diagnostic probaly only includes support for ATA controllers and samsung drives. It most likely would not care aboutt other hardware in the system, and therefore wouldnt be subject to the same conflicts a production kernel would experience.

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I'd probably do it but only if you gave me a pre-release copy of ArcLight... deal?

[21:09:27]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Heh

[21:09:36]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, You get it done and submitted, and deal

[21:09:54]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Plus, Arclight got a major facelift yesterday, all freaking day

[21:10:16]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: submitted is sometimes harder than getting it coded :)

[21:10:29]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, oh, so now it's excuses, is it? ;)

[21:10:37]

iamlindoro:

doesn't have to get committed

[21:10:39]

iamlindoro:

just submitted

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: ok... deal... is pastebin good enough?

[21:11:01]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Heh, on a ticket, mister

[21:11:09]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, http://www.fecitfacta.com/MV_Arclight.png

[21:11:12]

iamlindoro:

shiny and newwwwwww

[21:11:32]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: would you like to test it out?

[21:11:35]

Dagmar:

@!#$@! patrick volkerding

[21:11:42]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Oh, so it's already written? :)

[21:12:06]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: of course it is

[21:12:12]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Let me know when it's on a ticket ;)

[21:12:22]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: that new screenshot looks awesome!

[21:12:33]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: sure

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I'll put it up tonight

[21:12:54]

iamlindoro:

sounds good

[21:13:01]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: anymore screenshots?

[21:13:22]

antgel:

Josh__: i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm just surprised that the samsung diag could spend four hours surface-scanning the disk if there was a problem with the controller

[21:13:26]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: and you really don't have to give me a copy... I was just joking with you... although it would be nice

[21:13:29]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, spent most of yesterday doing the overhauls, no time for screenshots

[21:13:36]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Nah, I'll reward hard work :)

[21:13:42]

elmojo:

cool

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elmojo:

catch you later then

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iamlindoro:

yup

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Josh__:

antgel, no worries :p, just thinking about some alternative solutions not directly related to the disk and it's attached controller.

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: one more thing... I decided to reuse the skipcomm back and forward keys... basically if it has chapters it will use them otherwise it will perform comm skip as normal

[21:15:27]

** antgel drools at arclight **

[21:15:36]

Josh__:

It appears that this file that has corruption and artifacts in the remote frontend plays just fine from mplayer on the same frontend. Gonna try and get a recording with lots of problems.

[21:15:45]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Seems like using the nextchanpter/prevchapter bindings from DVD controls might work better?

[21:15:56]

iamlindoro:

or at least be more consistent

[21:16:25]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: ok... yeah... let me look into that... should be easy enough

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** Josh__ needs to fix his non-functional gigabit setup. **

[21:17:55]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, fuzzy on the binding name, so don't quote me on those names :)

[21:18:04]

Josh__:

ooh, this recording shows promie.

[21:18:09]

Josh__:

promise, rather.

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wagnerrp:

c'mon elmojo, at least hold out for the font as well

[21:18:38]

iamlindoro:

what with my well known lax attitude towards piracy?

[21:18:43]

elmojo:

no... I'm tired mythcenter-wide :)

[21:20:39]

Josh__:

mplayer is playing this particular recording without noticable error, but there a few problems showing up in the mplayer log.

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Josh__:

Okay, got some testing done. When playing back a recording from my HDHomerun, i get occaisional stuttering and audio artifacts. The file is playable in mplayer without the visible problems, but plenty of errors are noted in the logs. http://pastebin.com/f10bd65eb

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Josh__:

Google search says to check my ethernet connections.

[21:28:19]

wagnerrp:

what speed is your network?

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Josh__:

100 Mbit.

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wagnerrp:

is this a hub? are you otherwise sending a lot of network traffic?

[21:28:45]

Josh__:

I used to run gigabit, but a power glitch killed my little 8 port switch.

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wagnerrp:

if you run 'ping', do you ever have loss?

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Josh__:

I have no hubs on my network.

[21:29:40]

Josh__:

wagnerrp, I've never seen packet loss. I just got through running a connection test yesterday that also showed no packet loss to the internet.

[21:30:06]

Josh__:

just a second, running a ping check from my backend to the hdhomerun.

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Josh__:

ping looks good. up to 30 replies, all in 0.120-ish ms response.

[21:32:18]

Josh__:

And as far as the network traffic, the biggest traffic generators on my network are the single backend and two remote frontends, all connected to the same Netgear 24 port switch.

[21:32:53]

Josh__:

143 packets transmitted, 143 received, 0% packet loss, time 142005ms

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Josh__:

rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.103/0.123/0.532/0.044 ms

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Dagmar:

What do the RX packets and TX packets lines say about it in ifconfig's output

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Dagmar:

You should be seeing a packet count followed by several other categories of zero

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Dagmar:

Otherwise it's more likely you're just getting a cooked transmission that mplayer handles better

[21:51:19]

Josh__:

It's happening on more than one channel, which is why I think it's a local issue rather than the stream coming from the cableco.

[21:51:27]

Josh__:

Just a second, let's see what ifconfig says

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Josh__:

RX packets:1161579269 errors:12864 dropped:0 overruns:12675 frame:12884

[21:51:58]

Josh__:

TX packets:1172073612 errors:287 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:287

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Josh__:

That actually makes sense, to me, its pointing to hdhomerun or the hdhomerun's network connection. the backend would be sending MUCH MUCH less data to the HDhomerun than it would be recieving.

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antgel:

gbee: any idea on a timeframe for a fix for HD subtitles? or if you can offer some background, i could have a go myself (NB i know practically nothing of the codebase ;) )

[21:58:45]

_ben:

any obvious fixes to sound being out of sync when playing a DVD?

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_ben:

ripped teh DVD and I get the same issue – normal TV and records are fine tho

[21:59:18]

antgel:

_ben: does it happen on all DVDs?

[21:59:24]

_ben:

Yeah

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gbee:

it's to do with the dimensions we scale to, currently it's hardcoded for SD @ 720x576, we need to scale to the correct display (not source) resolution

[21:59:59]

antgel:

interesting. er, i don't have a solution, i was just curious. :) you know you can change the audio sync in the playback menu?

[21:59:59]

Dagmar:

joshn: You need to start by replacing that network cable

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psofa:

just so im not trying in vain: if i manage to passthrough dts via dvi to my tv, is there any chance that the tv's toslink output is going to carry the dts stream to my amp for decoding?

[22:00:24]

Dagmar:

joshn: The one connected to the box you ran ifconfig from

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Dagmar:

Josh_Borke: Either it, or the NIC you've got, or the switch port you're using is broken

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Nidhoegger:

?

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Dagmar:

psofa: You'll find out when you get there. In the meantime you could always look at your TV's owner's manual

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Joshy__:

Dagmar, is there a way to reset ifconfig's TX and RX information?

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psofa:

Dagmar, well i have but theres not mention.what im asking is if theres some legal issue that im unaware of that would make most tvs prevent that

[22:02:58]

Dagmar:

Josh__: You can reboot.

[22:03:16]

Dagmar:

Josh__: ...or you can make an attempt to remember a number for a few moments.

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^robertj:

I'm looking for ways to get my locals in HD. One option looks like Charter + Limited Basic + Cable Card + Tuner, so what tuner would be the best choice?

[22:03:31]

Nidhoegger:

or write a script that does store it :D

[22:03:36]

Dagmar:

psofa: It would make a difference if it were a legal issue?

[22:04:03]

psofa:

Dagmar, yes : it would mean that my tv probably doesnt do it

[22:04:14]

Dagmar:

^robertj: The best choice would be to do some research and find out what it is you're trying to record.

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^robertj:

Dogmar: ?

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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Joshy__:

bah, still getting artifacts.

[22:05:22]

Dagmar:

Joshy__: You don't get those kinds of errors unless ther'es a problem with either the NIC, the cable, or hte switch it's plugge dinto

[22:05:28]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, cablecard is not an option in linux

[22:05:30]

Dagmar:

They are *not* normal

[22:05:50]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, what are my options then?

[22:05:50]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, You can however buy any old QAM tuner if all you want is the locals, that will work just find with Charter

[22:06:06]

iamlindoro:

Cablecard not required for just those channels-- they're required to send them in-the-clear

[22:06:18]

Joshy__:

Dagmar, I replaced the cable just now. Doing a 'watch -n .1 ifconfig eth2', and the errors number is not changing.

[22:06:30]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, I want the locals in HD, they still in clear-QAM?

[22:06:37]

Dagmar:

Most places you're better off just using a coat hanger than attempting to tune commercial cable

[22:06:42]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, for 99.99% of people, yes

[22:06:52]

^robertj:

I was told by their online support that I could not get my locals in HD by just plugging the limited basic into my TV, but I could on the same plan using cablecard

[22:07:14]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, There are the occasional cable companies that money with the rules, but when it comes to the locals, it's more the exception than the rule-- everyone should basically be able to get locals in the clear

[22:07:31]

iamlindoro:

Their online support doesn't know what they are talking about

[22:07:32]

Joshy__:

^robertj, I'm using QAM for my HD locals, and analog / Set-top box for my cable channels.

[22:08:06]

Dagmar:

Joshy__: OKay, so take that cable and go bury it in the yard because it's dead

[22:08:08]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, FCC regulations require that anything that is provided via antenna in a market be passed through unmolested/unencrypted/etc.

[22:08:19]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, thought I had heard something of that sort

[22:08:28]

Joshy__:

Dagmar, haha, agreed. I'm still getting stream problems though.

[22:08:31]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, does that include filtering on a broadband only-plan?

[22:08:36]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, The occasional franchise will decide not to read the regulations, but that's a serious violation and is reportable/finable

[22:08:43]

Dagmar:

Joshy__: So the *other* cable you have

[22:08:57]

Dagmar:

Was it in any way related to the one you just chucked?

[22:09:10]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, if there's a notch filter on your line and you're only paying for broadband, they are not required to provide those locals

[22:09:15]

Joshy__:

I'm streaming from the hdhomerun while watching ifconfig's packet data. I'm not getting any errors but the video feed is still having problems.

[22:09:31]

Dagmar:

Joshy__: So the *other* cable you have

[22:09:33]

Dagmar:

Was it in any way related to the one you just chucked?

[22:09:50]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, so should I kick myself for throwing away my 7-year-old tuners :P

[22:09:53]

Joshy__:

Dagmar, I'm not sure.

[22:10:01]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, QAM-support is more recent right?

[22:10:03]

Dagmar:

The one connecting the hdhomerun to your switch could just as easily be bad, and ifconfig would never report it

[22:10:12]

Dagmar:

I don't type things just to listen to the clacking of my keyboard.

[22:10:23]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, it is unlikely those ancient tuners would have handled QAM, correct

[22:10:29]

Joshy__:

Dagmar, The one from the hdhomerun to the switch is the one I replaced.

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Dagmar:

You realize that a switch is store+forward, generally right?

[22:11:04]

Joshy__:

Dagmar, I did not realize that.

[22:11:09]

Dagmar:

So you accomplished pretty much nothing in the way of getting rid of your overruns and transmit errors

[22:11:22]

Dagmar:

Whatever issue might be causing them is still there

[22:12:00]

Dagmar:

Either way, mplayer handles garbled streams better because many, many people use it to watch their pirated internet porn, which is generally damaged in various and sundry ways

[22:12:26]

Dagmar:

Having more than a small handul of errors showing in ifconfig indicates a problem you should address

[22:12:30]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, but if I were to go up from limited basic to anything else, I'd probably find absolutely eveything else encrypted?

[22:12:39]

Dagmar:

I have machines that run for years and years and years

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^robertj:

(all my non-OTA channels)

[22:12:57]

Joshy__:

So ifconfig's errors report will only tell me about the link from the box to the switch? And how can I diagnose if the errors are no longer occuring?

[22:12:59]

Dagmar:

Those error counts are either under 20–100, or you have hardware screwing up

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^robertj:

(dunno, maybe they will let me place-shift QVC?)

[22:13:07]

Dagmar:

It's pretty cut and tried

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Dagmar:

s/tried/dried/;

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iamlindoro:

^robertj, correct, that is the general status for most people

[22:13:36]

Dagmar:

Joshy__: You flip on your christmas lights or whatever until you cause it, or you learn something about network cabling and actually do it right

[22:13:45]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, more than basics is a blessing, and an exception, but does sometimes happen

[22:13:48]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, so any recommendations on which PCI card to buy?

[22:14:02]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, well I think $10/mo is about what I'm willing to pay for

[22:14:20]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, no particular recommendations, common cards here are the HVR-1600 from Hauppauge, the HDHomeRun from SiliconDust, the Pinnacle 800i, etc.

[22:14:32]

^robertj:

iamlindoro, I've currently got 756k dry-loop for $19.99 and want to step up the speed a bit so I can go to $30 + $10/basic and not hav ethe no-cable-access-fee

[22:14:34]

Dagmar:

You can rent videos from RedBox for about ten bucks a month

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iamlindoro:

Anything with a decent tuner chip (all of the above included) will behave exactly the same

[22:14:40]

Dagmar:

Good luck getting cable for that

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iamlindoro:

the HVR-1250 is also a good card, though it's PCIe

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^robertj:

iamlindoro, wehn I was buying last-time you had to be real careful because Hauppage was the only one with hardware-supported MPEG encoding and the 1.4ghz T-birds at the time which were the top-end kit couldn't handle it :P

[22:16:00]

Dagmar:

Josh__: Ifconfig only knows about things that happen on that specific network segment. Being that you've got a switch instead of a hub, the issues would have needed to originate somewhere between the switch and the machine you ran ifconfig on.

[22:16:14]

Dagmar:

If it was a hub, it could be anything between the machine and hdhomerun

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Joshy__:

Dagmar, Gotcha.

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iamlindoro:

^robertj, hardware encoding is irrelevant to digital tuning, as all the encoding is done at the broadcaster, not the consumer's house

[22:16:35]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, QAM tuning is tune-and-dump

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Joshy__:

I have had NIC problems, but that NIC has been replaced and the machine (obviously) restarted.

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^robertj:

yeah, alot changes in 7 years :P

[22:16:58]

^robertj:

why are all these cards PCIe btw?

[22:17:27]

^robertj:

My lowly MB has but-one PCIe slot, and it is of-course occupied

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iamlindoro:

^robertj, they're not

[22:17:54]

^robertj:

alot of the top-selling ones on amazon were

[22:18:00]

iamlindoro:

the HVR-1600 and pinnacle 800i are PCI, HVR-1250 is PCIe, and HDHomeRun is ethernet

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^robertj:

Does Myth do any advertising removal these days?

[22:18:33]

iamlindoro:

Commercial flagging ans skipping, yes

[22:18:36]

iamlindoro:

s/ans/and/

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iamlindoro:

It would be worthwhile to read the exeutive overview page in the wiki

[22:18:52]

iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org

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^robertj:

Yeah I will

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^robertj:

I figure I should probably order cable first though

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^robertj:

Unless they can remotely toggle the filters on/off these days and I can do a self-install I suppose it will take them a day or three

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iamlindoro:

A notch filter is a physical device on your premises

[22:21:14]

iamlindoro:

and it's very likely they never bothered to install one

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^robertj:

iamlindoro, so go buy a cable modem and call tech support and pretend to be confused when it doesnt work?

[22:22:40]

iamlindoro:

^robertj, No, do the install process as they instruct you to

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iamlindoro:

I merely commented that it's quite likely that there is no frequency filter on your line

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^robertj:

if thats the case any chance of getting it turned on Sunday evening or is that going to require more than a call in?

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clever:

the 'notch' we had on our cable signal turned out to be water in the splitter and cables

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^robertj:

iamlindoro, also, if thats the case, would I be able to get my locals just by plugging up a TV to test?

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iamlindoro:

^robertj, very doubtful

[22:24:08]

iamlindoro:

and yes, if your TV has a QAM tuner, you can probably plug the line right in

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^robertj:

it does, but its far away and big :P

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iamlindoro:

but if you have no service with them whatsoever, while it's probably not filtered, it's very likely physically disconnected

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^robertj:

ahh that would probably be the case

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^robertj:

although I was able to do a self-install on my cable out of the blue at my old place with charter

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^robertj:

but that was a townhouse and they were probably just sick of going out to toggle things for renters

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^robertj:

What about IR? I 've got a programmable remote that I sort-of-like but its IR only and my serial IR blaster has no serial port to plug into anymore :P

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iamlindoro:

You could purchase a tuner device that comes with an IR receiver

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iamlindoro:

any of the "MCE" editions of Hauppauge equipment come with excellent receivers

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iamlindoro:

which are the Microsoft MCE receiver and remote

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^robertj:

are some of them blasters as well for hooking up to cable boxes and stuff?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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^robertj:

I don't know if I really want a remote though, I've got a bluetooth mouse & keyboard already...

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^robertj:

just have to think on that one

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itguru:

Can someone recommend a dvb-s card that can decode multipe signals at once, using hardware, or will it be better to get four single cards?

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jarle:

itguru: you mean dvb-s cards with dual/multiple inputs?

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^robertj:

iamlindoro, should I look into USB versions instead of PCI? Maybe in the future I could see having a non-full-sized HTPC

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^robertj:

or just buy the PCI version and worry about that day when it gets here

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^robertj:

the house is already pre-wired for cable but not where I have my TV, I wonder if they will take care of that...

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^robertj:

if not maybe I want to dig out one of my laptops with a busted LCD and put it in the closet next to the router as a myth backend

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^robertj:

guess thats +1 for HDHomeRun eh?

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Joshy__:

I guess it's pretty much "replace hardware till problem goes away"

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^robertj:

iamlindoro, well cable modem was $15/after tax + rebates, and my internet is going from 756 to 5m for $20/more mo, and they are sending me a $100 visa gift card, so I'll let you know how it goes.

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[R]:

when i first signed up for cable/internet... they actually paid me to buy the modem

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[R]:

it was quite nice

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^robertj:

[R] same here

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^robertj:

I left my last cable modem with my renters because it doesn't really have any value

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^robertj:

If my linksys one wasn't hit my lightning I probably would have brought it along

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^robertj:

I don't know why they ever changed the form factor on their cable-modems and routers before, I really liked when they used to stack well

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^robertj:

any thoughts on http://cgi.ebay.com/KWORLD-UB435-Q-USB-TV-tun . . . t_500wt_2244

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[R]:

what does the linux tv website say about it

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^robertj:

which linux tv website?

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Joshy__:

linuxtv.org

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Dagmar:

Look man if you're going to make us do all the thinking for you, you'll find our patience will evaporate like the morning dew

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Dagmar:

At _least_ look through wiki.mythtv.org to see what people have said about hardware before pestering live people with the question

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^robertj:

I'm not real inclined actually

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^robertj:

very of the pages in the hardware seciton are flushed out enough to be useful to someone who's not already in-the-know

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^robertj:

and if something said it wasn't supported, I don't really want to have to dig through the revision history to find out when that was current

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^robertj:

and its not that I'm lazy, but its that I know how these sorts of things work, and sometime's don't work

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Joshy__:

^robertj, digital tuners have been around for a while. If a wiki says it's supported, even if it was outdated, I'd bet money it's still supported.

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^robertj:

Joshy__, yeah, but I was specifically asking about one that was newerish and had some conflicting reports that may or may-not have been addressed and got jumped on

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Joshy__:

^robertj, then why chance it? Buy something you *know* is supported.

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^robertj:

Joshy__, because there was big price difference

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Joshy__:

^robertj, Then it's worth the time invested to make sure it's supported properly.

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^robertj:

which is why I asked

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