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Saturday, January 9th, 2010, 00:03 UTC

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pyther:

Dagmar, I know that, just a time consuming process though

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Dagmar:

Yes, it is

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pyther:

Dagmar, do you have any recommendations on a fairly easy converting tool?

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

sorry, don't mean to laugh at you

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pyther:

I usually use avidemux

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Dagmar:

AviSynth or Handbrake

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Dagmar:

sorry yeah avidemux

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pyther:

is avisynth a linux app or windows

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Dagmar:

It's something else entirely.

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pyther:

oh, lol :D

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Dagmar:

I've got both Linux and W7 here, but I've got almost all the same apps on both so I just wasn't paying close attention to the name of the app

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pyther:

I might have to look into handbrake

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Dagmar:

Handbrake or Avidemux are vastly preferable to figuring out command line invocations of transcode on one's own

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Dagmar:

....although you can easily get Handbrake to *tell* you what command line it's invoking, and then you can rinse/repeat on your own

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pyther:

Dagmar, ok thanks

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pyther:

my biggest downfall is that my mythbox is connected via wireless, so it can take about 40 minutes just to copy a 30 minute show :P

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Dagmar:

Oh.... In that case, cheat.

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Dagmar:

0.22-fixes's mythweb is apparently supposed to handle seeking properly

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Dagmar:

Just do your playback through MythWeb and you can go in there and tweak the details on what it transcodes the videos to, assuming your backend has enough beef

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wagnerrp:

yeah... i wouldnt recommend 'avisynth' to anyone looking for 'easy'

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Dagmar:

Well, it's handier if you need to crop and stuff at the same time

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Dagmar:

...and you can see right away whether or not your params are crackheaded.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its that whole script file vs. gui thing

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wagnerrp:

you have to know the syntax in a script file

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Dagmar:

Handbrake will tell you what it was going to use for a CLI command.

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Dagmar:

Avidemux might, I've not looked

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Greek-Boy:

any recent discussions here on multiplexing? I always love those...

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wagnerrp:

such as?

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Greek-Boy:

just in general

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wagnerrp:

'how do i encode to mkv' and the like?

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Greek-Boy:

no

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wagnerrp:

well thats what multiplexing is

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Greek-Boy:

"How do i record multiple channels streams at the same time from the same provider?"

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wagnerrp:

muxing into a container format

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Greek-Boy:

multiplexing..

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wagnerrp:

recording multiple streams isnt multiplexing, if anything its demultiplexing

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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Dagmar:

The transmissions are pretty much time-sliced

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iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, muxing *is* multiplexing

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Greek-Boy:

yeah

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Greek-Boy:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

and *you're* not talking about multiplexing

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iamlindoro:

you're talking about multi*rec*

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Greek-Boy:

yeah

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Greek-Boy:

sorry, sometimes i mix up terms

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, there's nothing to talk about, it's a static feature

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iamlindoro:

the functionality hasn't changed at all since it was added-- there's really no way for it to do so

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Greek-Boy:

recording multiple channels from a single multiplex

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Greek-Boy:

but its sad that most people dont realise that this future exists

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Greek-Boy:

*feature

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iamlindoro:

says who?

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iamlindoro:

most Myth users with digital tuners are well aware of it

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Greek-Boy:

well, not most people but a lot of users

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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Greek-Boy:

if u say so

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Greek-Boy:

good then

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iamlindoro:

I do

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Greek-Boy:

but it is a problem with Pay TV providers isn't it

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Greek-Boy:

because a lot of them require that u use the STB

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wagnerrp:

they only require you have a cablecard-capable device

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wagnerrp:

oh, and relinquish all hope of control over your recorded content

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Greek-Boy:

i c

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Greek-Boy:

ok then

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Greek-Boy:

lets talk about other topics

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Greek-Boy:

MythVideo

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Greek-Boy:

something needs to be done about the fast-forward/rewind

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wagnerrp:

discuss amongst yourselves

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Greek-Boy:

its not smoth

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Greek-Boy:

*smooth

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wagnerrp:

works fine for me

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Greek-Boy:

i find that after i find the timeline of where i wanna be, i have to make a bookmark

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Greek-Boy:

close the video

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Greek-Boy:

and open it to the bookmark

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Greek-Boy:

thats what does it for me

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Greek-Boy:

otherwise it would be very bad

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wagnerrp:

build a seektable for your recording

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Greek-Boy:

its not a recording

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Greek-Boy:

its a MKV HD

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wagnerrp:

s/recording/video/

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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sudo_technician:

what's up with flow player and mythweb

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sudo_technician:

read the flowplayer has the ability to cut segments of video before streaming

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sudo_technician:

will this be available for Mythweb to avoid commercials in streams

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wagnerrp:

flowplayer doesnt do the streaming, only the receiving

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sudo_technician:

ahh, but I've seen that it has the ability to skip segments...if not streaming though, kind of defeats purpose

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wagnerrp:

commercial lists are not exact

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wagnerrp:

the best option would be to send a list of cuts to the remote player

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sudo_technician:

thats why I don't auto transcode

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wagnerrp:

and just have them identified on the position bar for flowplayer to skip

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sudo_technician:

now your still streaming the commercials right

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

you stream everything, because mythweb is currently just sending the direct output of an ffmpeg call

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wagnerrp:

there is little intelligence behind it

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sudo_technician:

quite a bit

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wagnerrp:

just enough to dump the raw transcoded video onto the http socket

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DjMadness:

anyone know if there is some HDMI (input) thats suported under linux, and does mythtv support it in some sort of another ? (ie like input stream)

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Dagmar:

Myth does no HDMI input.

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wagnerrp:

just to head you off, there *is* a Blackmagic PCIe card that does HDMI input, and it uses its own custom API that myth does not understand

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DjMadness:

ah okeys

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wagnerrp:

and to remove the entire thought from your head, anything you *may* want to record over HDMI is going to be encrypted using HDCP, and therefore useless to any capture device

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iamlindoro:

not to mention being useless for use with any set top box, blu ray player, or other real useful source of HDMI

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iamlindoro:

^^ yup

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wagnerrp:

(may as well be through)

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DjMadness:

waste of an interface port :S s-video should of just been beefed up instead :S

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wagnerrp:

yeah... its called component

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wagnerrp:

and there are capture devices for that

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wagnerrp:

one released and functional, another demo'd at CES

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DjMadness:

ye ive got one :) i was just hoping for some blueray etc and would of been nice to keep things over one remote (ir blaster)

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wagnerrp:

if you want to capture bluray, better option is to grab a copy of AnyDVDHD, and rip it under windows

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wagnerrp:

expect ~30GB per disk for just the main movie

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DjMadness:

ye, theres dumphd aswell (for linux)

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wagnerrp:

kinda...

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wagnerrp:

its of limited utility at current, only works on a handful of disks

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DjMadness:

ah i see...

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DjMadness:

darn annoying studio's encrypting everything :S

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Shawn146:

hello?

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Shawn146:

can anyone tell me the system requirements for myth tv?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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wagnerrp:

the requirements are entirely dependent on how you set it up, and what you intend to do with it

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'one size fits all'

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Shawn146:

oh so a user friendly setup?

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wagnerrp:

is there a question in there?

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Shawn146:

yes

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Shawn146:

lol

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Shawn146:

i want to jsut watch tv through it

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wagnerrp:

just watch? not record?

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Shawn146:

i have a dell deminsion 8200 @ 1.80GHz and 512 MB's RAM

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Shawn146:

yes

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Shawn146:

jsut watch

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wagnerrp:

then get a $5 framegrabber, use tvtime, and youre done

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DjMadness:

lol

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Shawn146:

?

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gizmobay:

I'd use tvtime

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Shawn146:

it costs money?

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Shawn146:

i need some thing free

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wagnerrp:

how are you going to watch tv without a tuner card?

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gizmobay:

you'll need a tv tuner card

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Shawn146:

i have a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

then use it with tvtime

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Shawn146:

i dont like the software it comes with

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Shawn146:

ok

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wagnerrp:

or any of the other multitude of programs capable of accessing V4L devices

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Shawn146:

v4l

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Shawn146:

?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.linuxtv.org

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gizmobay:

video4linux

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wagnerrp:

the V4L API

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Shawn146:

oh

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wagnerrp:

what all analog tuners use

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gizmobay:

it's the drivers for the tv tuner cards

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Shawn146:

i am using windows 7

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wagnerrp:

so why are you in a channel for linux software?

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Shawn146:

?

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DjMadness:

just my words...

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wagnerrp:

mythtv... it runs on linux

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Shawn146:

no one told me myth tv runs on linux

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Shawn146:

...

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wagnerrp:

well how did you find mythtv?

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Shawn146:

i am in over my head looking for any software

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Shawn146:

from friends on other irc chat

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gizmobay:

Could try snapstream

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gizmobay:

but I think it costs

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wagnerrp:

gbpvr is free, but ive not used it in several years

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Shawn146:

ohwow

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Shawn146:

i tried xbmc on the other computer and it doesn;t work

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Shawn146:

will this?

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wagnerrp:

XBMC does not record

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wagnerrp:

nor can it use V4L (or under windows, directshow) capture

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wagnerrp:

it is a media player only

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Shawn146:

i dont need to record

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Shawn146:

nor want

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Shawn146:

i jsut want to watch tv

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wagnerrp:

either way, mythtv is not what you want

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Shawn146:

i dun have big hard drives on the other machien

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wagnerrp:

so this channel cannot assist you further

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Shawn146:

ok

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Shawn146:

bye

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Shawn146:

o.o

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wagnerrp:

ugh....

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DjMadness:

i actually mainly use myth for livetv, but also some recordings and my whole movie collection. makes my old crt tv worth something.

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Shawn146:

but i do use linux on this machine

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wagnerrp:

you said you use windows 7

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Shawn146:

on the "other" machine

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wagnerrp:

well then use tvtime, mplayer, vlc, kaffiene, or one of the other handful of V4L capable programs

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wagnerrp:

again, if youre not going to *record* tv, mythtv is not for you

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Shawn146:

mplacyerc as in windows media player home cinema?

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Shawn146:

that supports tv?

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Shawn146:

videolan supports tv?

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wagnerrp:

what are you talking about?

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wagnerrp:

mplayer

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wagnerrp:

www.mplayer.org

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DjMadness:

Shawn146: mplayer... http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html

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iamlindoro:

Shawn146, This isn't the "help you find the Tv software right for you channel, it's the MythTv channel

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iamlindoro:

Shawn146, IF you are not going to use MythTV, please seek help elsewhere

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Shawn146:

okl

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wagnerrp:

heh... seems mplayer.org is something else

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Shawn146:

ok bye then

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DjMadness:

wagnerrp: true, but it links to the correct one aswell :)

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wagnerrp:

ugh... for the second time

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DjMadness:

a trip to google would of told him hes answer

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is for linux? but im not using linux.... wait, i AM using linux!

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wagnerrp:

i should have just left it at 'if you dont know what operating system youre running, mythtv is not for you'

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gizmobay:

I have a script to start the FE tied to a remote button and the script is called by using irexec. Sometimes when turn my tv on with this the text comes up very fast and other times very slow.

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wagnerrp:

text? you mean the frontend UI?

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gizmobay:

The background screen comes up very fast all the time but at times the text comes up slow and other times no

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gizmobay:

yes, the text on the menus

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gizmobay:

nothing is running in the background

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mellery:

has anyone had problems with mythgame where launching mame does not have sound? when I run it by itself it has sound. There's nothing in the myth logs about sound errors

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu?

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metalac:

hey is something wrong with Schedules Direct? i try to add a lineup to myth-backend but when I do it shows no channels

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mellery:

ubuntu yes

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wagnerrp:

MAME is probably set up to run under pulse-alsa emulation

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mellery:

I can launch pcsx with sound just fine though, I haven't tried others besides mame

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wagnerrp:

rather than the pulseless environment of mythtv

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mellery:

apps launched from mythtv inherit its sound enviroment?

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wagnerrp:

no, mythtv disables pulse before launching the frontend

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wagnerrp:

pulse's ALSA emulation is incomplete, and results in A/V sync issues within mythtv

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mellery:

ahh, makes sense

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Dagmar:

At the moment, pulse is sort of a solution looking for a problem

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Dagmar:

"sort of"

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mellery:

Its caused loads of problems on my laptop, but has been fine on my desktop

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mellery:

the sdlmame man page says I can use "-audiodriver, -ad alsa|arts|auto SDL audio driver to use; auto selects SDL default." I'll see if any of those three work

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mellery:

thanks for narrowing it down for me

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DjMadness:

wow... i am actually able to playback 720p content on my myth box with mythvideo. :D *chocked*

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wagnerrp:

it just keeps getting more pathetic... 3.2GB for a 1hr recording

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wagnerrp:

7.3mbps for 720p60

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Dagmar:

Just for a giggle I'd call them up and accuse them of skimming yer bits for themselves

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DjMadness:

not that bad concidering harddrive prices and sizes now.

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, they must have some damn good encoders

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wagnerrp:

i can pause it and see horrid blockiness, but when its playing, it doesnt look half bad

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FredYerkes:

I am missing any kind of pure digital sound pass through by using /dev/dsp for the "audio output device" while also using the digital spdif connection to my stereo receiver?

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FredYerkes:

Or is my sound card doing all the decoding with this setup rather than my stereo receiver?

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Dagmar:

The /dev/dsp is an OSS device.

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Dagmar:

Consult the installation documentation to find out what to enter to use the ALSA devices.

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FredYerkes:

This is the only configuration that's working well with an issue of compounding open file attempts on /dev/snd/controlC0

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Dagmar:

I suspect the actual problem is a lack of reading.

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Dagmar:

ahem.

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FredYerkes:

I actually think it's a Myth bug, when I have it set to "ALSA:spdif" for output device and "default" for digital output device, the frontend just racks up open file attempts on /dev/snd/controlC0 over time until the system becomes too sluggish and I have to restart the frontend, this isn't happening when I chose /dev/dsp though

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FredYerkes:

I have the same issue when choosing ALSA:default as shown in the instructions, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that I just tonight figured out how to avoid the "lsof /dev/snd/controlC0" issue I was having after chasing it down for far too long

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Beirdo:

OK, bot messing time.

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Beirdo:

it's just way too slow and uses too much memory.... I need to kill a memory leak, I think

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Beirdo:

that's for tomorrow

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Beirdo:

night

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clever:

Beirdo: valgrind is your friend

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mgi:

hi guys – when I use the arrow keys to select a menu item (in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend), sometimes the screen won't update, and it will still be on the previous menu item

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mgi:

I seem to remember having this problem a while ago, but I can't remember how I fixed it, or how I even searched for it on the net

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mgi:

does anyone have any ideas?

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mgi:

I'm using ubuntu jaunty with 2.6.18–17 x64 if that helps

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mgi:

(nvidia binary drivers)

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wagnerrp:

woo! the jay leno show might be canned for a real series

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iamlindoro:

yeah, read that earlier, good news

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iamlindoro:

or even, five series

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tank-man:

mgi, might some other window have focus?

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iamlindoro:

of which one might be good if we're lucky

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mgi:

tank-man: ah that sounds familiar – I'll try running without a wm

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wagnerrp:

maybe universal will decide to start firefly up... :P

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hackman:

every time I start playback, my master volume goes to about 70%.

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hackman:

I have to use the mixer to put it up to 100, but this doesn't stick. If I exit playback, then play again, it's back to 70.

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tank-man:

probably a setting doing that

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hackman:

ah. there it is.

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mgi:

tank-man: that was the problem, thanks for jogging my memory!

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iosonoio:

hi! could someone tell me how i can trancode the .mpg file in .mp4 and not in .nuv file?

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Beirdo:

let's try this again

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Beirdo:

OK, new version of the bot

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Beirdo:

OMG is that faster

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Beirdo:

316ms to search instead of like 15s

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hackman:

the colors are "washed out" while playing video with an ATI card and S-Video. Any suggestions?

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Beirdo:

yay for clucene :)

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Beirdo:

hackman: most people have way better luck with nvidia cards last I heard

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hackman:

Beirdo: correct. That's what I'll ultimately end up with, but it would be nice to fix this, if it's just some xorg.conf setting or some other easy tweak.

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Beirdo:

gotcha. I can't recall anymore as it was about 5 years ago I last used an ATI card

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Beirdo:

but I don't remember there being much adjustability at that time

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amidaniel:

Yeah, I've always used only nvidia cards. But I decided to jump to ATI on this build, having heard that they're well supported these days, and because it was slim, cheap, and silent. But it's caused quite a few headaches...

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amidaniel:

hackman: One thing to try. Run "aticonfig --initial" while the monitor is on through s-video

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hackman:

amidaniel: "Unable to find any supported Screen sections"

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amidaniel:

hackman: Backup your xorg.conf ("cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/backup_xorg.conf"). Then run "sudo aticonfig --initial --force"

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hackman:

amidaniel: heh. generates a broken xorg.conf. X won't start now.

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amidaniel:

Whee. Well, that's why we made a backup :)

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amidaniel:

Hrm ... Can you pastebin the xorg.conf for me?

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hackman:

amidaniel: there it goes. not sure why it failed to start the first time.

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amidaniel:

Oh, okay.

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amidaniel:

And the picture?

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hackman:

amidaniel: colors aren't any better.

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amidaniel:

Rats.

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amidaniel:

So what kind of distortion are you seeing?

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Beirdo:

if I remember my setup right, it might be like the gamma is turned up too much?

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Beirdo:

like everything washing out to white?

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|jonas|:

I'm experiencing the problem described here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6922 Is it possible to patch mythtv-0.22-fixes with the provided patch? I tried buyt cant compile it.

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|jonas|:

util-vdpau.cpp:970: error: request for member â€˜num_ref_framesâ€™ in â€˜((VDPAUContext*)this)->VDPAUContext::decoderDescription&a circ;€™, which is of non-class type â€˜uint64_tâ€™

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hackman:

Beirdo: yes. colors washed out to white.

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Beirdo:

sounds familiar. I hope there's a solution out there for it

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amidaniel:

hackman: The colors are washed everywhere? Not just in myth?

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amidaniel:

hackman: Try xgamma

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amidaniel:

(e.g. "xgamma -gamma 0.9" to reduce the gamma setting by 10%)

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Beirdo:

that sounds promising

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pelmen:

guys a question, how can hdmi interfere with lirc ? When i pull cable out my lirc works perfectly (I can see through irw), as soon as i connect something to hdmi, irw stops receiving signals. Same applies if I just turn off the tv, irw start again perfectly receiving signals. Anyone ?

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hackman:

amidaniel: perfect. Thanks!

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amidaniel:

hackman: Great! Probably won't stick on a reboot though ... you'll need to add something to xorg (I can't remember the option)

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hackman:

now I just need to tune the value 'til the colors match the same show on a different input.

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hackman:

amidaniel: yeah. I saw references to the xorg.conf setting. I'll have to put them in there to make it stick.

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amidaniel:

Ah, there it is ... Under the monitor section add "Gamma <R> <G> <B>" where r, g, b are your red, green, and blue gamma values

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dabo:

Good Morning..

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amidaniel:

Morning :)

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hackman:

amidaniel: nod. thanks.

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Beirdo:

finally :)

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dabo:

Sorry for intruding. Can anyone recommend a place where I could get some help compiling the em288 V4L drivers?

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amidaniel:

dabo: (Not sure if I can help.) Where did you download the driver from? What path are the missing files in?

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dabo:

quit

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amidaniel:

... or not

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amidaniel:

dabo: wb

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amidaniel:

dabo: (Not sure if I can help.) Where did you download the driver from? What path are the missing files in?

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dabo:

I downloaded the driver from the v4ldvb tree. I guess it is the latest, but I didn't see any way to get an earlier version. the version I downloaded ends in 8cf5e.

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dabo:

it appears to be looking in /home/dherde/v4l-dvb-b6b82258cf5e/v4l/

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amidaniel:

And when you run make, what's the output?

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dabo:

I will have to download an IRC program on my tv machine. Please hold on.

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amidaniel:

Well can you just pastebin it? http://mediawiki.pastey.net

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dabo:

The link is http://mediawiki.pastey.net/131206

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dabo:

(never did that before...)

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amidaniel:

dabo: Can you open /home/dherde/v4l-dvb-b6b82258cf5e/v4l/firedtv-1394.c and tell me if you see a #include <dma.h> or a #include "dma.h" (that is, does it have quotes or angle brackets)

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unixSnob:

is mythtv expected to work on debian etch? I just installed it, and using the default settings, mythtv-setup gives errors about not being able to login to the database

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dabo:

angle brackets < > but the statement appears to be #'d out.

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unixSnob:

Is the database name supposed to be "mythconverg"?

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antgel:

is there much difference between compile-type profile and debug in practice? too many crashes on the frontend for my liking, need to start getting stack traces

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dabo:

Unless # is not a rem character...

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dabo:

( Not a C programmer..)

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jams:

it's not a comment

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** sphery wishes that he could upgrade everyone's 0.22-fixes box (as opposed to being constrained to only fix 0.22-fixes and wait for them to upgrade to current -fixes) **

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dabo:

ok Thanks. I learn a few things everyday.

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jams:

dabo- it's a preprocessor indication

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amidaniel:

dabo: Okay, so that means that this file is in some dependency that you need to install

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dabo:

I have not heard of a .h file before what is that from?

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jams:

unixSnob- yes mythconverg is the correct name for the db

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amidaniel:

dabo: It's a C header file.

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amidaniel:

May be libdns?

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dabo:

I do not hink I want to compile the firedtv drivers into the v4l make.. Can I controll that somewhere?

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dabo:

I did not see a configure file.

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dabo:

I have libdns50 and libdns 53 installed

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gbee:

unixSnob: mythtv isn't hell to setup, all the components which tend to form a mythtv system and which are outside mythtv's control are hell e.g. hardware drivers, lirc, mysql etc

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dabo:

I am unsure about how to resolve the dependencies. Is there a switch on make that I can use to check?

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gbee:

actually, mysql wouldn't nearly be so bad if we switch to an embedded database but I expect users to scream bloody murder when that happens, *nix geeks like to toy and have access to such things

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wagnerrp:

i know i do... although arguably i have a reason to

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amidaniel:

dabo: Sorry, was afk.

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amidaniel:

dabo: To be honest, I know nothing about this driver. Just trying to help you the best I can having had similar issues in the past.

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Beirdo:

gbee: unless the plan is to make a whole suite of repair tools for the embedded database, I categorize it as a very bad idea

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dabo:

I appreciate your time and efforts. I think I will try to force the compile and see what I end up with.

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amidaniel:

dabo: Try doing a locate on those header files, e.g. "locate dma.h". See if it's in "/usr/include/"

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: the idea would be to put all those tools internal, and run automatically

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dabo:

You have given me some valuable insights. Thanks amidanil.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: OK, and the first time something is missed...

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unixSnob:

gbee: i agree w/ the idea of using a universally known and established db like mysql.. I'm just not sure why that means the setup cannot be automated for non-expert users

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wagnerrp:

including things like rolling backups for worst case

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amidaniel:

dabo: Sure thing. The one thing is it seems like it's pointing to a wrong include path. You might edit Makevars.mk (if there is such a file) and see what includes it's using. May be an issue with a 64-bit version of something installed instead of a 32-bit version, or vice versa.

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Beirdo:

I don't like the idea of non-standard embedded databases. It's short-sighted (often) and also very difficult to maintain. Especially when the database servers have so many years of experience behind them, etc.

[17:43:33]

Beirdo:

that's the ONE complaint I have with clucene for the bot.

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wagnerrp:

well its not a non-standard embedded database, it would be embedded mysql

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Beirdo:

non-standard storage format, not many (if any) available tools for fixing crap

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wagnerrp:

s/its not/it wouldnt be/

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Beirdo:

embedded mysql... fine, how does a remote front-end access it?

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dabo:

Thanks much.. Have a great weekend..

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wagnerrp:

regulated through the backend

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Beirdo:

through a non-standard protocol, rather than the standardized, well-tested one

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wagnerrp:

either way, youre right, it would entail a LOT of work to make sure everything worked right

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Beirdo:

having the backend act as a database server just because some users can't figure out how to install a real database server... sounds kinds silly to me

[17:45:52]

Beirdo:

but whatever, as long as it never breaks

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Beirdo:

which it will

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nemith:

Anyone have experiance with mythtv on a ION (specfically ASRock?)

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gbee:

unixSnob: we're working towards that, although it's considerably harder than you might think – the divisions between distributions is bad enough (we can't possibly expect to automate setup entirely when distros all differ on things like permissions, file locations, etc) but it also has to work across operating systems (windows, OSX)

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Beirdo:

databases ALWAYS break eventually

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Beirdo:

usually when they are huge

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unixSnob:

How do I launch the database?

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wagnerrp:

unixSnob: depends on your distro

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wagnerrp:

usually you have init scripts for mysql

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unixSnob:

mythtv-setup cannot connect to it

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unixSnob:

wagnerrp: i'm using debian etch

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gbee:

initial setup of mythtv takes maybe 5 minutes, not accounting for the varying time it takes to actually scan, it's the external apps like xmltv, lirc and the rest which considerably complicate things

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gbee:

and short of re-inventing the wheel, which would earn the wrath of everyone, we can't do away with lirc or xmltv (to pick two examples)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

I guess an embedded mysql might be useful for small appliance use, but I don't know if that's on the horizon

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt be useful for people who already know how to run mythtv

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wagnerrp:

only for new users

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gbee:

Beirdo: the single biggest cause of setup complaints is the database and really it's a fair complaint, what other applications expect you to setup a full DBMS first? (web based apps aside)

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wagnerrp:

amarok?

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Beirdo:

gbee: fair enough, but still.

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** Beirdo points at MythLogBot **

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Beirdo:

that one does :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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gbee:

the second greatest cause of breakage* is users screwing around with the database, so we protect them from themselves

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Beirdo:

it's considerably smaller of an application though

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, and make it so the power users can't

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gbee:

* The character encoding fiasco

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Beirdo:

granted, we are in the minority

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wagnerrp:

the power users would access through the protocol

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unixSnob:

I tried: "mysql -u mythtv mythconverg" and I get back "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: yeah, I guess... once there are tools to allow it, I guess

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unixSnob:

so my problem seems to be the database setup got botched

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sid3windr:

unixSnob: no, you forgot -p

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Beirdo:

and having to do a full database dump through the backend just sounds odd to me. But I guess it would work

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trumee:

i dont get livetv window when viewing the program guide. is there any any setting to enable this?

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unixSnob:

sid3windr: it's the same issue when I supply the pw from the commandline

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gbee:

no-one should really need to mess around with the database, if they do it suggests there are improvements that needs to be made in the application where they would then benefit everyone and not just the power users with the know-how

[17:53:52]

Beirdo:

gbee: that's a good point

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gbee:

we're certainly moving to a backend-centric design, where in future new frontends would be plug and play (or as close as is possible)

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gbee:

trumee: it's theme dependent

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Beirdo:

well, as long as you guys make sure to allow equivalents for mysqldump, importing a dump, mysqlrepair, etc... I guess the objection starts to fade

[17:55:15]

gbee:

those would be essential

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Beirdo:

or simply a way to do mysql queries (arbitrary) for the odd cases where stuff is BUSTED

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Beirdo:

with a HUGE warning to keep un-initiated away or something

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Beirdo:

but at that point, it's practically the same as using mysqld anyways

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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sphery:

Beirdo: we'll definitely have support for backup and restore

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sphery:

and maintenance will be built in

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** sphery really needs to finish the work on automating maintenance and backup of the DB **

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unixSnob:

i found out the mysql is started in debian by running: "/etc/init.d/mysql start" But in my case, it already is running, yet mythtv still fails to connect

[17:59:38]

Beirdo:

well "built-in" maintenance... what happens in the case of really nasty database failure?

[17:59:45]

jams:

personally i think the database selection(mysql) is the core of the problem. And thats the last I will say about it today.

[17:59:50]

sphery:

I have been thinking about how we could do the embedded MySQL. My current preference is to allow devs to register SQL queries in a location used by the "mythdataserver" (or whatever we call it) that makes the data available to multiple processes on whatever hosts

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sphery:

but not to allow direct SQL sent to the dataserver

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Beirdo:

I've had cases with yon bot where mysqlrepair couldn't fix the database without massive efforts, basically completely rebuilding

[18:00:36]

Beirdo:

all caused by unscheduled power failurs

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sphery:

I (a non-MySQL-admin) would guess that in those cases you'd just roll back to the most-recent backup before the corruption

[18:01:09]

sphery:

the auto-maintenance just means I'd run analyze/optimize/repair as needed

[18:01:30]

sphery:

I'd need more info on really bad stuff that can occur (and how one would go about fixing that)

[18:01:35]

Beirdo:

well, analyze/optimize/repair is sometimes (not often, thankfully) not enough

[18:01:51]

Beirdo:

99% of the time it is

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Beirdo:

but that last 1% is a nightmare ;)

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sphery:

I know with InnoDB you might need more than that--but when we have an embedded DB, we have full control over even the storage engine

[18:02:29]

Beirdo:

although... if you are using embedded mysql, you SHOULD be able to point standard mysql tools at the database files to fix them, no?

[18:02:43]

unixSnob:

No UPnP backends found

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sphery:

I know that sometimes indices can get broken completely or you may need to repair with the frm(?) data

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Beirdo:

if worst comes to worse?

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Beirdo:

yup

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sphery:

that may be the case--I haven't played with embedded mysql too much

[18:03:17]

sphery:

I'm guessing you could do so (as it's still mysql data files)

[18:03:19]

Beirdo:

it's a possibility anyways

[18:03:26]

Beirdo:

yeah, that's my guess too

[18:03:32]

sphery:

I'm also guessing people will be doing bad things with those approaches

[18:03:48]

sphery:

or--if all else fails--will write a mysql client-like program that allows direct DB manipulation

[18:04:01]

sphery:

after all, people love to break their DB's and then complain that Myth doesn't work

[18:04:03]

Beirdo:

hehe, well, the power users could still mess up their databases, but the usual user will be well protected

[18:04:20]

sphery:

ref the expectations on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7877

[18:05:49]

sphery:

The auto-"normal"-maintenance and auto-backup is much easier to do safely with an embedded mysql (since at that point, it's a single-process/non-network DB, so we can manage who's using it during critical times and prevent anyone from accessing the DB until it's been repaired if, for example, there was a crash while a repair was in progress)

[18:05:59]

Beirdo:

haha, that first expectation is crazy

[18:06:16]

Beirdo:

yeah, you got a good point

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sphery:

otherwise, we need to get all clients (including 3rd-party clients--the same ones that pretend to support Myth protocol by starting with proto version 8, and resending requests until they get the right proto version) to agree to never touch the DB until they've been given approval

[18:06:49]

Beirdo:

but I'd expect a few REALLY badly failed cases, but I guess you can deal with them on a case-by-case basis

[18:07:06]

sphery:

so, I may focus on embedded DB after 0.23, then maintenance and backup should be easy

[18:07:13]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

and you can even make the backups be incremental if you wanted to get fancy

[18:07:53]

sphery:

Yeah, and if Myth is doing auto-backup, it's likely we can handle the really bad cases with the flame-thrower approach (just say, "The DB cannot be repaired. Below are available backups. Please select one to restore..."

[18:08:11]

sphery:

ohhh... Haven't done any incremental backups before

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Beirdo:

yeah, and then regenerate indexes for any of the remaining files that were not in the backup, perhaps?

[18:08:50]

sphery:

would that only apply for incremental backups?

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Beirdo:

no no

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** sphery wonders if that's Stuart L. Morgan **

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sphery:

when would you be missing files?

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Beirdo:

I mean if you have to rollback to an old backup, you could regenerate for any recordings that came later after the backup

[18:09:47]

sphery:

or do you mean just restore the corrupted parts

[18:09:52]

sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

those files (I was thinking MySQL stuff)

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Beirdo:

of course, the metadata would be lost, likely (show name, etc)

[18:10:34]

gblee:

is it normal to have the analog channels tv descriptions fill only the channel and the dtv to use hte full screen?

[18:10:42]

sphery:

Yeah, my plan (I'd love to do it this month so it's in 0.23) is to make the backend automatically scan recordings directories for files that aren't managed by myth and automatically add them to a "Unidentified" recgroup (or whatever).

[18:10:54]

Beirdo:

beautiful

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

Then users can go in and edit title/subtitle/description and/or select an episode from recording history to fix the data

[18:11:16]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

nice

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sphery:

and--to make it even better--we'll be able to send a request (currently planning MythXML) to scan the DB for orphaned recording metadata (can't do that automatically because some storage may be offline)

[18:11:57]

sphery:

that way we handle both orphaned files and orphaned metadata

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Beirdo:

nice

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sphery:

and the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and myth.find_orphans.pl both can be deleted (or, replace with a simple call to the backend)

[18:13:02]

sphery:

i.e. still allow a script, but have the backend do the work and the script just presents the command-line UI

[18:13:09]

jams:

sphery- once the .xml file is implmented to store metadata that job should get even easier

[18:13:16]

sphery:

that would be nice, too

[18:13:27]

sphery:

especially if we auto-gen the xml files for all recordings

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jams:

yeah that was implied =)

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sphery:

and when we do that, we can use the recordedfile support that Captain_Murdoch is planning--which allows associating any random file to a recording--to link the XML to the file (rather than relying on filename patterns--i.e. <recording_file_name>.xml--which causes a ton of problems with previews being orphaned, etc.) like I plan to do for previews (and I'd like to do for fanart, etc...

[18:16:05]

Beirdo:

and... any thought of making a local video podcast of recordings?

[18:16:36]

wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

[18:16:37]

sphery:

not sure what that would mean?

[18:16:43]

Beirdo:

i.e. RSS of all of the recordings with links

[18:16:51]

wagnerrp:

mythweb already has such a thing

[18:16:52]

sphery:

Doesn't MythWeb do that, now

[18:17:05]

Beirdo:

ahh, possibly. I'm a bit behind :)

[18:17:13]

wagnerrp:

so is sphery... :P

[18:17:18]

sphery:

someone's been away from mythtv channels for too long

[18:17:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: always just behind you with the answers... :(

[18:17:34]

Beirdo:

I need my #$%#$%ing cable provider to give us another box

[18:17:41]

Beirdo:

is SlicerDicer around?

[18:17:47]

Beirdo:

!seen SlicerDicer

[18:17:47]

MythLogBot:

SlicerDicer was last seen 31 days 13 hours 3 minutes 5 seconds ago

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gblee:

when im using dtv the epg data when flipping through channels fills the width of the screen, when im using analog tv is only fills the width of the channel, is their a way to correct that? thanks

[18:17:53]

sphery:

haven't seen him in a while

[18:17:58]

Beirdo:

a month... crap

[18:17:59]

sphery:

like just over a month :)

[18:18:23]

Beirdo:

I wanted to get in touch with him... he moved to the same town as me, but hasn't replied to SMS for a while...

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Beirdo:

and of course... my cell coverage in the house sucks so I can't message him right now

[18:19:38]

Beirdo:

stupid mountain

[18:19:56]

sphery:

gblee: depending on your chosen video renderer, the OSD is either drawn at video size (i.e. the non-widescreen transmitted by analog) or full-screen (which is only used by a couple renderers that require special hardware)

[18:20:04]

Beirdo:

got a small one between me and the cell tower

[18:20:15]

gbee:

gblee: nice nick

[18:20:27]

gblee:

haha thanks

[18:20:30]

sphery:

gblee: Thought it was you with your middle initial :)

[18:20:36]

gblee:

thanks sphery

[18:21:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: dont think they have roadrunner in england

[18:21:24]

gbee:

heh, my middle names John ;) so gjbee

[18:21:34]

Beirdo:

hmm, this is inspiring me to work on my internet streaming radio capturing app a bit

[18:21:40]

Beirdo:

make it schedule nicer

[18:22:01]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, my cell coverage in house was getting worse and worse over time, then T-Mobile released the @Home support where you can use UMA--use a phone with UMA support to connect to any wifi network and it uses the high-speed Internet instead of cell radio for everything. And, it even auto-switches back to cell (without dropping the call) when I walk out of the house/out of wifi range.

[18:22:07]

** gbee now has to venture out into the snowy darkness to refill the bird feeders **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: my mom has one of those

[18:22:31]

Beirdo:

nice

[18:22:46]

Beirdo:

snow? I haven't seen that in 4 years

[18:22:47]

wagnerrp:

although with the local phone co, not t-mobile

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sphery:

gblee: TTBOMK, OpenGL renderer (which is not guaranteed to work--and is generally not worth using) uses full-screen OSD and VDPAU might

[18:23:19]

sphery:

I just visited Rhode Island so I could see this snow everyone was talking about

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Beirdo:

heh. Well it's a figment of the imagination here in Puerto Rico

[18:23:48]

sphery:

(though the weather here is unusually cold, now--37)

[18:24:15]

sphery:

yeah, looks like the temp is much better there

[18:24:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

75–85F every day of the year on average

[18:24:47]

Beirdo:

sometimes hotter in the summer

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Beirdo:

I love it here...

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sphery:

Around here anything below 50F is "freezing", so we're having a real cold snap, now (with lows in the upper 20's and highs in the upper 30's)

[18:25:38]

gbee:

sphery: vdpau renders a full res OSD, although the opengl renderer _might_ not work for some, I've found it to be very reliable

[18:25:45]

Beirdo:

my wife thinks anythning below 80F is freezing

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Beirdo:

silly woman

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sphery:

supposed to get back to 50's Sun and then 60's by Wed and 70's by Fri

[18:26:12]

Beirdo:

yer where? Florida – land of the falling iguanas?

[18:26:17]

sphery:

gbee: cool... I know that with many setups, it works reliably once, then you have to reboot the machine to play a 2nd video :)

[18:26:27]

sphery:

Yeah, FL

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Beirdo:

hehe

[18:26:39]

** sphery googles the falling iguanas **

[18:26:53]

Beirdo:

there was a show on Miami news a couple days back

[18:26:59]

sphery:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/14972/ig . . . -from-trees/

[18:27:00]

gbee:

it's actually not that cold here, currently -3 or -4C, it's reached below -20C in some parts and they've also had a lot more snow elsewhere

[18:27:12]

Beirdo:

when it gets below 40F, they basically go dormant (being cold blooded)

[18:27:19]

sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

and if they are up in a tree... they fall out, and it seems they are dead, but once it's over 40F again, they revive

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gbee:

neat

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Beirdo:

I heard about it from As It Happens... a CBC show that I listen to on my iphone using my streaming radio capture app :)

[18:28:27]

sphery:

Wonder if NASA will start to study them for suspended animation research :)

[18:28:39]

gbee:

anyway, the longer I wait the colder it's getting

[18:29:00]

Beirdo:

hehe, who knows

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Beirdo:

I think I end up capturing it from KPR (from Kansas)

[18:35:14]

Beirdo:

timeshifting++

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trumee:

gbee, thanks i changed the theme. livetv is showing up now.

[18:39:43]

trumee:

i was looking into playback profiles and noticed that CPU-- has ivtv settings. since i have two ivtv cards (pvr 250), is it best to choose this profile. currently i have Slim selected.

[18:43:56]

sphery:

trumee: CPU-- is generally never the best profile

[18:44:19]

sphery:

the ivtv stuff it references is PVR-350 TV out--and since PVR-350 TV out is /always/ a bad idea...

[18:44:33]

sphery:

Slim is a much better choice

[18:45:15]

sphery:

Slim is the perfect choice to start with--and if you feel you're not burning enough CPU time and you want to increase energy usage to get something that sounds like it's better quality, try Normal or High Quality

[18:45:30]

sphery:

(Yes, the power company can sell you placebos, now!)

[18:47:04]

trumee:

sphery, thanks.

[18:48:23]

sphery:

That said, Normal and High Quality do use different deinterlacers which some feel provide better quality, but as quality--when post-processing the video to create new images different from the transmitted images--is all subjective, you may or may not feel they're worth the cost.

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gbee:

pvr-350 tv-out support is no more (hurrah)

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wagnerrp:

c'mon sphery... weeklyworldnews?

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sphery:

gbee: ++

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the "best da** investigative reporting on the planet"

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sphery:

(ask Tommy Lee Jones)

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wagnerrp:

reading the hot sheets again are you?

[18:50:23]

sphery:

now I really want to watch MiB again

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Beirdo:

OK, Costco time, I think

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gblee:

sphery: thank you, that worked awesome. now i just have to figure out how to get my preview window back

[18:53:57]

wagnerrp:

there is no preview video in 'watch recordings'

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gblee:

in my EPG

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wagnerrp:

ah, should be one there

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amidaniel:

So I'm still having issues with buffer underruns and warnings about "Waited too long for decoder to pause", which I presume are causing my video and audio stutter issues on Live TV and DVD playback.

[19:03:58]

amidaniel:

I'm thinking that this may be caused by corrupted seektables? There are instructions on how to fix them, but not on how to fix their becoming corrupted in the first place

[19:04:16]

Dagmar:

So fix them and then practice your hypochondira

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Dagmar:

s/ira/ria/;

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Dagmar:

There's no point in trying to troubleshoot a potential problem until you're SURE it's a problem

[19:04:56]

Dagmar:

There are also several dozen other much more likely reasons for having playback issues

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amidaniel:

Well I've been through all of the possibilities here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

[19:06:05]

amidaniel:

mplayer and vlc work fine. Just myth that has issues.

[19:06:38]

amidaniel:

And I've been at this for days now ... getting very frustrating :)

[19:08:53]

Dagmar:

So try Mythbuntu or something then

[19:08:56]

sphery:

amidaniel: generally MySQL database tables become corrupted when the server dies--i.e. process is killed (instead of shut down properly) or power is lost

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Dagmar:

It's not particularly hard to find out how to check the tables for corruption

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amidaniel:

Well, running mysqlcheck, all the tables come back as OK

[19:13:07]

amidaniel:

So this is not the issue then?

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Dagmar:

amidaniel: Obviously

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ptzlnfw:

Mythbuntu newbie struggling with 9.10 and hauppauge 950q, not picking up channels

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gbee:

bad seek tables won't cause playback problems, we only use the seek tables when seeking (clue is in the name)

[19:23:58]

amidaniel:

Well, that makes sense. I'm just following the breadcrumbs on google. But I feel like I've tried everything at this point. Running slim playback mode with extra audio buffering, opengl vertical sync disabled, realtime priority threads, etc.

[19:24:25]

amidaniel:

For comparison purposes I've run vlc with a variety of settings. It renders all of the video perfectly, even with hardware acceleration, etc., turned off.

[19:24:55]

Dagmar:

*what* have you played back with it matters

[19:25:17]

gbee:

and from where

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amidaniel:

DVD, mpegs recorded by myth, streaming from the tuner directly

[19:25:23]

amidaniel:

Myth has issues with all three.

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gbee:

hmm

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gbee:

amidaniel: which version?

[19:28:07]

amidaniel:

0.22

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amidaniel:

Mythbuntu 9.10

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sphery:

amidaniel: note that you need to have /both/ non-corrupt tables /and/ non-corrupt data inside the tables. So, any recordings that were recording while tables were corrupt are lacking data and those that were recorded prior to table corruption may have corrupt data. You need to rebuild the seektable for each recording with missing/corrupt data. LiveTV after fixing the table won't have corrupt seektables, but seektables aren't ...

[19:29:35]

sphery:

... necessarily propogated to the player for LiveTV--meaning don't use LiveTV to test (use a brand-new recording)

[19:30:17]

sphery:

ideally a recording that has already finished recording

[19:30:27]

amidaniel:

Okay, well I ran mysqlcheck, and no issues were reported, so I presume that the database is uncorrupted

[19:30:41]

sphery:

(as some seek data may not be sent for in-progress recordings--same as LiveTV)

[19:30:43]

amidaniel:

I also don't think that a seektable issue would affect DVD playback

[19:30:53]

sphery:

right, database is fine, now, at least

[19:31:01]

sphery:

just need to ensure you have good data when testing

[19:31:07]

sphery:

thus the new recording

[19:31:33]

sphery:

and DVD shouldn't be affected, but DVD playback has its own issues right now

[19:31:44]

amidaniel:

Alright, well let's record a few minutes of Holes then :)

[19:31:50]

sphery:

there have been fixes applied and reverted for DVD playback for the types of problems you've mentioned

[19:31:57]

sphery:

they were reverted because they broke other things

[19:32:09]

sphery:

so DVD playback may have issues

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amidaniel:

sphery: Yeah, I noticed. I was just running vlc, but decided I'd take a whack at using the internal player. It exhibited many of the same issues I had with liveTV, so I thought they may be related.

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7067 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7640

[19:33:50]

sphery:

er, that 2nd one isn't relevant

[19:34:47]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7784 was the one I meant

[19:35:08]

amidaniel:

Ah, yes, well there's the issue I'm seeing everywhere

[19:36:24]

sphery:

my solution: use an STB for a DVD player (and it has the side benefit of being\ legal where I live, too)

[19:36:30]

Dagmar:

So you *did* actually try setting the audio output to null?

[19:36:57]

amidaniel:

I believe so. I can do it again though.

[19:37:17]

Dagmar:

I suggest you actually do it

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amidaniel:

Done. No sound, as expected.

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Dagmar:

So, why should I care if you have sound or not?

[19:39:08]

amidaniel:

Pardon?

[19:39:18]

Dagmar:

Why should I care if you have sound or not.

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Dagmar:

The *point* is to see if the audio subsystem is actually what's screwing things up.

[19:40:16]

Dagmar:

Now, why should I care if you have sound when the audio device was set to null?

[19:40:27]

Dagmar:

If you HAD sound, then I'd worry.

[19:40:45]

Dagmar:

This was on the page of things to test which you said you did all of.

[19:40:47]

amidaniel:

Okay ... Well, when running with the audio device as NULL, interestingly I still see "AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error."

[19:41:08]

amidaniel:

Yes, well I've done all of them over the course of several days now lol.

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amidaniel:

And for full disclosure, I have not tried "Using a different sound card." as indicated on that page, so no, I have not technically done *all* of them.

[19:43:19]

amidaniel:

With audio device disabled, I'm not seeing any skipping in the video, but am still seeing AFD Errors being output.

[19:43:30]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[19:44:21]

amidaniel:

And DVD playback is now running at like twice the speed it should be ....

[19:44:44]

Dagmar:

So rather obviously the problem is in the sound output.

[19:44:53]

amidaniel:

It would seem.

[19:44:56]

Dagmar:

This is like pulling teeth.

[19:45:18]

** unixSnob has never pulled a tooth **

[19:45:53]

amidaniel:

No one's putting a gun to your head.

[19:48:19]

unixSnob:

now you're going to have to put a gun to Dagmar's head if you want any more help from him

[19:49:15]

amidaniel:

Too bad I don't own one :(

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unixSnob:

why not?

[19:49:39]

iamlindoro:

Everyone please remain civil, and no, I don't care who started it

[19:49:42]

unixSnob:

yeah, i know.. no guns run on linux yet

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unixSnob:

iamlindoro: i'm just stirring the pot

[19:49:58]

Dagmar:

If they did, I'd have them.

[19:50:18]

iamlindoro:

unixSnob, Please don't, channel has civility rules and that's part and parcel of them

[19:51:09]

iamlindoro:

Anyone giving help who can't give it patiently shouldn't give it at all-- anyone getting it without being gracious about it shouldn't ask for it. Now let's all be friends

[19:52:43]

** unixSnob loves a good argument **

[19:53:24]

iamlindoro:

unixSnob, We all do, and all love winning them more, but we're really doing our best to try to make this a place where people don't have to feel bad about needing help

[19:53:41]

iamlindoro:

and the only reason the preceding conversation went on as long as it did is because I wasn't here to see it

[19:54:47]

Dagmar:

Wait... my latent psychic abilities kicked in and I put him on ignore just in time or what?

[19:54:59]

amidaniel:

Who me?

[19:55:08]

Dagmar:

'cuz honestly, I don't have the time for internet dentistry today. I've got to find a new TV to buy

[19:55:29]

amidaniel:

Alright, well I thank you for your assistance.

[19:58:23]

iamlindoro:

amidaniel, I am too impatient to read all the scrollback, but can I confirm you are not running pulseaudio on your system?

[19:59:21]

amidaniel:

iamlindoro: Yes, not running pulse

[19:59:31]

amidaniel:

Should just be alsa

[19:59:51]

iamlindoro:

amidaniel, okay, and out of curiosity, have you tried another output method besides ALSA, like OSS?

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amidaniel:

No I have not

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iamlindoro:

not that I recommend such a thing on a long-term basis, just curious if there's any difference at all

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gpd:

any idea why my UK freeview channel scan is coming up with lots of conflicting channels?

[20:02:49]

amidaniel:

iamlindoro: Would it be worthwhile to install aoss and try running it through that?

[20:02:50]

sphery:

new "feature" of the new (as-yet-unfinished) channel scanner...

[20:03:03]

iamlindoro:

gpd, A common issue with freeview users is picking up multiple transmitters, but there are also quite likely some issues with the scanner

[20:03:24]

sphery:

ah, yeah, it could just be the multi-transmitter thing, too

[20:03:38]

gpd:

iamlindoro: is there a quick fix for now? or should I go with the suggestions?

[20:03:51]

sphery:

depends on the suggestions

[20:03:52]

iamlindoro:

amidaniel, I'm not sure it would help, but I would be curious about the results, too (ie, possibly point at an ALSA config issue)

[20:03:59]

Dagmar:

Meh. I'd just chop out the dupes and call it a day

[20:04:09]

sphery:

that's the right suggestion

[20:04:13]

amidaniel:

iamlindoro: Okay, gimme a sec.

[20:04:25]

gpd:

I'm getting suggestions for channels in the thousands – 70 conflicting dvb channels

[20:04:31]

jams:

amidaniel- www.opensound.com is also another option to completely replace alsa

[20:04:47]

sphery:

how's Myth's OSS4 sound support?

[20:05:07]

jams:

sphery- doesn't use the oss4 api but it still works

[20:05:09]

iamlindoro:

gpd, I'm not very well versed in UK transponder behaviors, but I think some people have tried using the tuned scan and manually inputting the transponder info

[20:05:17]

Dagmar:

"in theory" works

[20:05:31]

jams:

been using it for years

[20:05:31]

sphery:

jams: using the old OSS API/selecting "normal" OSS output in Myth

[20:05:47]

jams:

yes

[20:05:47]

Dagmar:

After my last round of "ALSA's hda_intel driver sucks phallus" I actually looked into that

[20:05:58]

jams:

/dev/dsp is still present

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sphery:

So, the kernel deprecated the in-kernel OSS support. In so doing, they also made it impossible to build ALSA for anyone who disables OSS (because it's deprecated) and builds ALSA out-of-tree.

[20:07:11]

iamlindoro:

gpd, also see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7284 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7838

[20:07:26]

amidaniel:

Still seeing bufferunderruns with oss

[20:07:44]

** iamlindoro has a very hard time remembering which audio buffering options exist in .22 **

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sphery:

You actually have to go in and enable CONFIG_SOUND_PRIME to get the functions you need for ALSA's OSS emu support. Wonder how long until ALSA fixes their build system to detect that (and disable OSS emu if no SOUND_PRIME).

[20:08:07]

iamlindoro:

amidaniel, Just as an aside, are you running any non-standard myth repository/package source?

[20:08:16]

jams:

sphery- odds are high they won't and just blame the kernel

[20:08:23]

sphery:

heh, true

[20:08:40]

amidaniel:

iamlindoro: Nope. Clean mythbuntu 9.10 install

[20:09:00]

iamlindoro:

amidaniel, "Use Video as timebase" not checked?

[20:09:04]

sphery:

then there will be a big political battle, and distros will switch to OSS4 (which would be awesome), but the in-kernel ALSA will remain there for years and bitrot/API-rot

[20:09:21]

gpd:

ah – yes, i am finding mpeg channels suddenly too – so that bug fits – iamlindoro

[20:09:29]

amidaniel:

iamlindoro: Have tried both ways. Currently disabled.

[20:09:36]

iamlindoro:

amidaniel, good, it shoudl remain disabled

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iamlindoro:

gpd, if it's not too much trouble, can you please briefly summarize your experience on the dev list?

[20:10:32]

amidaniel:

Hrm ... LiveTV is actually seeming a lot butter. I'm only seeing the buffer underrun when switching channels. Of course it's always pretty random, and you usually have to wait a while to see it ...

[20:10:33]

iamlindoro:

gpd, please *don't* respond to the ticket, but rather on the dev list itself

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amidaniel:

s/butter/better

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gpd:

iamlindoro: i'll try and do later this week as i'm currently drilling through floorboards for another job and have the toilet broken and water everywhere... this is just to get the wife to watch something!

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iamlindoro:

amidaniel, I "feel" like this is possibly a driver-specific issue if you've really tried all these permutations-- which does not make it not Myth's fault, but it does make it a lot more likely that the audio changes that went in after .22 (and the video changes that are upcomign) will make some difference

[20:12:32]

amidaniel:

Okay. So I should update mythtv?

[20:12:37]

jams:

if it's an intel hdaudio card the odds are high it's driver related

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iamlindoro:

amidaniel, No, but .23 is coming in just over a month

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Dagmar:

hda_intel driver suuuuuucks so hard

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iamlindoro:

which should include the aforementioned changes/improvements

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amidaniel:

Alright. What bothers me though is that vlc and mplayer have no issues. Isn't myth just using mplayer under the hood?

[20:13:52]

iamlindoro:

nope

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amidaniel:

Oh. lol alright.

[20:14:02]

iamlindoro:

Myth uses its own players for all media

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amidaniel:

Ah, alright. Well, I could actually try stealing another soundcard from a different PC and see if that makes a difference. Right now I'm just using onboard audio (Realtek ALC887)

[20:16:15]

amidaniel:

Ay any rate, I can live for the time being.

[20:16:20]

amidaniel:

Thanks for your help.

[20:16:42]

iamlindoro:

you are welcome, I hope it makes a difference

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: hey, we had a chat a couple of days ago about jamu/(fan/cover)art not showing with show names like Mentalist (K13). Or Kova Laki: ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ (K15). You did not get connection to tvdb, so could not debug it then... Have you had time/luck with this issue after that day?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I just did a few tests and as long as I set the language to "-l fi" Jamu finds the images for those two programs. I now that Kova Laki: ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ translate to Law and Order. I suspect that your EPG data does not include a subtitle for those programs and Jamu thinks they are movies.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I tested both jamu options "-l fi -MWV" and with video files "-l -MI"

[20:39:39]

RDV_Linux:

s/"-l -MI"/"-l fi -MI"/

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: yeah, how can I provide you little piece of my epg for you to figure this out? You could use tv_grab_fi to get the same EPG that I use. I can provide database or parts of it, given necessary instructions. I'm willing to do what I can to help.

[20:48:54]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: Do you have any data base skills? This would be a read-only activity.

[20:49:04]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: I'm running jamu with cron jobs, -M and -MW

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: yeah, limited skills. I can do the command line actions or use mysql query browser, but I would need the mysql commands to run. I can fill out the hostnames and database names, passwords.

[20:50:57]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: Do those cron jobs include a "-l fi" on the command line or the variable "local_language" set to 'fi' in a jamu.conf file?

[20:51:02]

flexy:

yes

[20:51:07]

flexy:

-l fi

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Ok so that is not the issue but needed to double check;)

[20:51:52]

flexy:

correction: not sure if in jamu.conf, but they are included in the command line of cron job

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Let me see if I can get you the MySql string. The command line would be good enough but make sure that the jamu.conf language is NOT also set as it would override the command line.

[20:53:09]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: yeah, I got all the others, but so far I can see, only the ones with EPG show name ending in ) are missing.... those files are downloaded by jamu, but not shown by mythtv FE

[20:53:31]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: OK, I'll check. 40s.

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Dagmar:

Something's probably not escaping metacharacters properly

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: no, language is not defined in jamu.conf

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flexy:

Dagmar: I thought the same, but I can't C, so I can't check... :I

[20:56:06]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: From my testing the parentheses does not seem to be an issue as I added two records to the recorded table for each of those programs and "-MVW" did not download the images while "-l fi -MVW" did download images.

[20:57:24]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: the downloading is not the issue, they are downloaded by jamu. But they are not shown by myth, (as far as I can tell) because the recording name end to ")"

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iamlindoro:

no. Like I said the other day, that is a red herring.

[20:58:37]

iamlindoro:

It's fine for a title to end in a parenthesis and it's works fine here

[20:58:44]

iamlindoro:

It's an individual config issue

[20:58:56]

iamlindoro:

which means filesystem, locale, or charset issues

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: I have this same issue with "the lord of the rings" recordings. the first is showing, it was recorded with using EPG. the second and third was recorded with manual recording (without EPG, I manually entered times, channel, recording name), the name of those recordings has (manual recording) at the end.... again ")" at the end. First (manually downloaded at the correct directory) is showing but 2nd and 3rd is not

[21:00:37]

iamlindoro:

Okay, I give up. What do I know, I only wrote the code

[21:00:48]

iamlindoro:

theme time

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I had forgotten you mentioned jamu's downloads were not an issue so have been chasing the wrong issue/

[21:01:04]

flexy:

iamlindoro: fs is xfs, locale was verified by RDV_Linux if my memory serves me right. Charset issue? don't understand... :I

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flexy:

iamlindoro: I respect your knowledge, but then again I have a problem. I'm willing to help as much as I can. And I'm just letting you all know the symptoms as good as I can...

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: damn... :I jamu IS downloading stuff OK. And again, as far as my novice skills can tell, only the show names _ending_ in ")" are failing to show the pictures that _are_ included in the dir that other shows pictures are shown from

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Ok here is what I see. I have all the graphics downloaded for both shows and none of the graphics show up in the Watch recorded screen for me either. The one strange thing I notice is the graphics for "Kova Laki: ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ (K15)" are named "ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ (K15)_banner.jpg" so they would never display.

[21:11:29]

flexy:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: how can I help you to figure this thing out? The system is mythbuntu 9.10, with mythtv build-deps installed. SVN trunk mythtv installed. locale outputs: en_US.UTF-8 to all but LC_ALL. fstab mount options to mythtv file partitions are: defaults,allocsize=512m,noatime,nodiratime,logbufs=8 System was installed with 9.10 64bit install disks.

[21:11:50]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: That would no account for the "Mentalist (K12)" though.

[21:11:59]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: wait, I'll check

[21:12:19]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: in which dir should I check? coverart, fanart?

[21:13:08]

flexy:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 603K 2009-12–22 01:17 Kova laki: ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ (K15)_fanart.jpg

[21:13:11]

flexy:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 259K 2009-12–22 00:29 Kova laki_fanart.jpg

[21:13:39]

flexy:

I have those in fanart dir

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: All of the graphics for "Kova Laki: ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ (K15)". Here is the name I have "ErikoisyksikkÃ¶ (K15)_coverart.jpg

[21:14:01]

flexy:

the lower one is for another series

[21:14:58]

flexy:

I have it with the whole name

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: That was my fault as I added the recorded table record incorrectly so forget that one. Lets just focus on the "Mentalist (K13)" as it is the most straight forward.

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flexy:

right

[21:18:06]

flexy:

I have in fanart dir: root@htpc:/media/fanart# ls -alh *entalist*

[21:18:06]

flexy:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 185K 2009-12–25 05:17 Mentalist (K13)_fanart.jpg

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flexy:

and it is not showing.

[21:18:57]

flexy:

and in coverart dir: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 126K 2009-12–25 05:17 Mentalist (K13)_coverart.jpg

[21:19:06]

flexy:

not showing.

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Gumby:

hi all, can anyone tell me what table holds the info for trnasponders? I am needing to add one so I can do a scan of a single existing transport but I can't quite figure out where to add it in

[21:21:43]

flexy:

and that is downloaded by jamu. I'm not 100%, but I might have added that name to tvdb's finnish info..

[21:23:03]

[R]:

Gumby: dtv_multiplex

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Gumby:

[R]: thank you

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Gumby:

just occourned to me to dump the db with mysqldump then grep the file for something I knew was there

[21:23:35]

Gumby:

hehe

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flexy:

I was 45s too late... :)

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: do you need my database?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I took another angle on the issue and added a file named "Mentalist (K13) S01E01.avi" to Mythvideo using "./jamu -l fi -MG" and all graphics show up in MythVideo. I do not have any more suggestions other than what iamlindoro made a while ago.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: If jamu is downloading the graohics the data base entries are not going to tell me anything else as jamu is done at that point.

[21:28:01]

flexy:

RDV_Linux: lastlog tells me actually nothing. only fs, locale (which should be fine, I recall that you "approved" those) and charset issue, which I did not get a clarification from him.

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flexy:

so, I don't know how to check this any further. charset issue? that I could check, if I got any idea what that meant in this case...

[21:31:41]

flexy:

I did take logs earlier from BE and FE with -v all (that was a couple of days ago), but those logs did not reveal anything, as I recall.

[21:33:29]

flexy:

I can add an patch to the source, compile (with debug symbols if needed) again, and try to get better debug logs, if needed.

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flexy:

Any suggestions to give you the information needed? To help me to debug this issue on my own? The only "modifications" made to mythbuntu 9.10 installation is: shutdown scripts to get the box to inform other (low power) box to send WOL-packets at time to get scheduled recordings recorded. And I removed mythtv-packages, installed svn trunk by compiling myself. And the database is much older, from previous installation of debian (

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: All I am capable of helping with is Jamu. As getting images does not seem to be an issue the solution is beyond me, Sorry.

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iamlindoro:

flexy, the best advice I can give it just just tough it out. The Image Hunt is *not* meant as a perfect solution, nor a permanent one. It was committed as a "you get what you get" feature and is not going to ultimately be how we do it once we have generic metadata handling

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flexy:

iamlindoro: OK, I'm not trying to be difficult or anything alike. As I lack the skills to create/modify C-code, all I can do to contribute, is to find and help to fix possible bugs

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iamlindoro:

understood

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joshborke:

anyone using fedora12 and mythtv 0.22?

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flexy:

joshborke: mythbuntu 9.10 + mythtv trunk here. what's your problem?

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joshborke:

flexy: pulseaudio and playback

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joshborke:

i get no audio without experimentally enabling pulseaudio, but with pulseaudio enabled I have to run the volume at 17, 25–27

[22:06:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

joshborke: simple fix. get rid of pulseaudio

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flexy:

joshborke: ok, can't help you, no pulseaudio here. I have a dedicated mythtv box

[22:07:58]

joshborke:

i guess it can't hurt to try removing pulseaudio, what's the worst that could happen?

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J-e-f-f-A:

joshborke: It will save you alot of headaches with Myth.

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flexy:

joshborke: is your box a dedicated mythtv box? (as is the case here...)

[22:11:36]

flexy:

if that is the case, then just drop pulseaudio...

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[R]:

even if its not

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[R]:

you should still get rid of that crap

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs, as he was thinking the same thing as [R]... ;-) **

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joshborke:

yes, it is a dedicated mythtv box

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joesuffceren:

any suggestions for a VGA -> Component converter box?

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J-e-f-f-A:

joshborke: ok... yum remove pulseaudio

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joshborke:

so i've removed pulseaudio but now i have no audio

[22:14:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[22:14:21]

joshborke:

but that's likely a configuration problem from having pulseaudio installed :D

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wagnerrp:

joesuffceren: you have a tv with component input but not vga?

[22:19:07]

wagnerrp:

usually, hdtvs will have both

[22:19:31]

wagnerrp:

and if its not an hdtv, component really wont get you much beyond svideo

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joshborke:

yum remove pulseaudio; reboot appears to have fixed it

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joshborke:

thanks!

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J-e-f-f-A:

joshborke: np. ;-) Enjoy your audio and video in sync now. ;-)

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joshborke:

J-e-f-f-A: that requires my video stream to come to me with audio in sync ;-)

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joshborke:

J-e-f-f-A: i have a few channels where that isn't true

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J-e-f-f-A:

joshborke: eek... no wonder you didn't notice it with pulseaudio... unless you assumed it was the feed...

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joshborke:

i'm sure it will be great now. tbh, i'm not even the user of mythtv, my wife is and she hasn't complained, whith is all that matters ;-)

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joshborke:

s/whith/which/

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Dagmar:

This comes out of Qt's build: "Project MESSAGE: Microsoft Outlook type library not found!"

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Dagmar:

Good damn thing that

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MooingLemur:

after losing a chunk of storage due to disk failure, is there a script or simple way to "delete and allow rerecord" for all recordings that don't have files that exist?

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flexy:

joshborke: witches and whitches... pretty nice to get the difference when not speaking native english...

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Dagmar:

MooingLemur: Nope

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MooingLemur:

I suppose I could write one <_<

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cmdln:

hello

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cmdln:

is there any script available that will generate a channels.conf from the channel data in myth database?

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cmdln:

or whats the best way to move my channel lineup that I have worked so hard on (clear qam to virtual cable mapping)

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flexy:

I don't know of such. I have done the job manually a couple of years ago...

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[R]:

cmdln: move?

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flexy:

and kept my database. I've tried the new channel scans a couple of times. So far those have just overwritten "everything" and I've restored backups...

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cmdln:

Well im setting up a new backend i suppose i could just dump and move the database

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cmdln:

i spent a lot of time sifting through the channels to map them correctly

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cmdln:

just dont wanna do it again

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flexy:

cmdln: same thing here, that's the cause I do it manually. Here the dvb stream includes stubid names for the channels... (f.e. Porn Channel (03–07) or Day time channel name (09–16)... ) So, the channel name includes the sending time (in 24h format)... It is REALLY annoying.... that's the reason I'm keeping the setup I hand made a couple of years ago...

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flexy:

And, those different channels (different on air times) are on the SAME streams...

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flexy:

so, really idiotic. but then again, nothing a user can do about those.

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flexy:

except to use tv_grap_nationality script

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flexy:

and that results on another problems.

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flexy:

crap.

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freephile1:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1744703

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freephile1:

mythweb giving blank page

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freephile1:

b/c of 'mismatched canaries'

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freephile1:

which is a suhosin error

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freephile1:

is the only/best way to fix this to upgrade to php5-.2.11?

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[R]:

mythweb works on my karmic

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Dagmar:

You could use a less anal-retentive PHP and your chances of having it work will go way up.

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sid3windr:

canaries? :p

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joesuffceren:

wagnerrp: sorry, I stepped out. Yes, 27" CRT has composite, component, and svideo, but no vga

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joesuffceren:

I wonder how superior the component (if at all) would be to the svideo anyway on that set?

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Dagmar:

If you have to wonder, you should be reading the web

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