| Wednesday, January 6th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:02] | brad2: | wagnerrp: yes blue abstract |
| [00:00:06] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ok, gotcha – never heard it speled out to be honest with you. I did resesearch it when the discussion of why it was taken out was going on to see what the fuss was about |
| [00:00:51] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: basically, none of the devs personally had one they wanted to support, and by and large, its only used to do 'bad' things |
| [00:01:21] | skd5aner: | didn't know what it was or why it was controversial since it means nothing to us in the US :) |
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| [00:01:37] | skd5aner: | yea – I quickly was able to gather what it was used for |
| [00:01:41] | jolaren: | Damn intenrnet |
| [00:01:41] | jolaren: | died |
| [00:02:23] | jolaren: | Well. I can't find a dvb-t with ca module that works with myth from the linuxtv.com list. Cause the articel numbers aren't the same as the one I find here in Sweden |
| [00:02:24] | jolaren: | Kinda blows |
| [00:02:31] | skd5aner: | so – jolaren: to sum up, no dbox support within myth. If you are talking about using the dobx in some other capacity, then I don't know if anyone here can really help |
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| [00:03:00] | wagnerrp: | article numbers? what are you talking about? |
| [00:03:03] | jolaren: | skd5aner; I am not. I'd rather use mythtv |
| [00:03:10] | jolaren: | wagnerrp; The name of the product plus the pid |
| [00:03:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt support individual cards, it just supports the DVB interface |
| [00:03:53] | wagnerrp: | so it will support any dvb-t device with CA that works under linux |
| [00:04:09] | wagnerrp: | however i was unaware dvb-t cards needed CA modules for anything |
| [00:04:18] | wagnerrp: | i thought those were only for DVB-C/S |
| [00:04:31] | brad2: | skd5: you are so right, mythweb is a much better way of looking at this |
| [00:04:45] | jolaren: | Here in Sweden there's this big company called Boxer. I use their card |
| [00:05:05] | jolaren: | I have a CA module in my television but I guess it can't be connected computer <television> antenna |
| [00:05:06] | skd5aner: | brad2: :) get it up and running? |
| [00:06:39] | brad2: | skd5: turns out i had it running and forgot, haha |
| [00:06:46] | skd5aner: | I'll be honest with you though, I feel more comofrtable creating, modifying, and deleting recording rules from within the frontend, but for the quick and dirty stuff, or when I'm away, or to view the upcoming stuff it's beautiful |
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| [00:07:14] | jolaren: | Can anyone tip me on how to do this? |
| [00:08:17] | skd5aner: | jolaren: might be better to ask on the mailing list – not sure if anyone around has that requirement |
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| [00:08:34] | jolaren: | None of you uses and external card for channels? |
| [00:09:03] | skd5aner: | not me, good luck – dinner's here |
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| [00:19:42] | AndyCap: | jolaren: TT-3650 CI is the right hardware, but the drivers aren't available for linux yet, so it is probably not a good buy until its ready. |
| [00:20:41] | jolaren: | AndyCap; Thanks for clearing that out for me. Then I guess I need to change my operator to a service that comes from the wall? Don't know if you understand me but :P |
| [00:22:43] | jolaren: | Just seems strange that there's no support for external cards |
| [00:23:13] | AndyCap: | jolaren: some countries use Freeview for DVB-T |
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| [00:23:57] | AndyCap: | and hauppauge and probably others had a standalone usb CI slot to use with the tuners, but that would require drivers. But I did come across a driver project for it. |
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| [00:26:33] | BlueCamel: | video playback profiles are selected by best match in order 1-N ? |
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| [01:07:15] | metalac: | ever since upgrading to 0.22 my firewire to DCT-2600 is completely unreliable. It works fine for a day or two and then it starts being choppy. Not sure what fixes it but after few shut offs and multiple stabilizing efforts using firewire_tester it starts working again |
| [01:07:23] | metalac: | any clue what might be an issue? |
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| [01:09:34] | bedlore: | howdy, when I try to run setup I get "The schema version of your existing database is newer than this version of MythTV understands" |
| [01:09:43] | bedlore: | how can I tell what version a database is? |
| [01:10:21] | metalac: | you probably upgraded the backend and left frontend at previous version |
| [01:10:29] | bedlore: | I'm trying to roll back from 0.22 to 0.21 and I'm pretty sure I re-instated the .21 database but I may be using a different debian release stream |
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| [01:32:37] | jolaren: | Can anyone reccomend a working dvb-t card that can be purschaeed in sweden? |
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| [01:37:18] | mkrufky1: | jolaren: if you can tell me what cards you know you can purchase, I can try to help you decide between them |
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| [01:37:57] | jolaren: | mkrufky; I've pursched a phoenix reader for my ca module, now I just need a card that will work. A dvb-t card for the swedish operator Boxer |
| [01:40:33] | mkrufky: | hmm |
| [01:40:51] | mkrufky: | unfortunately, that is an area that i have the least expertise in |
| [01:41:00] | mkrufky: | oh, wait... |
| [01:41:04] | mkrufky: | dvb-t or dvb-c ? |
| [01:41:32] | jolaren: | dvb-t |
| [01:41:40] | mkrufky: | (i thought ca was only for use with dvb-c, but i guess thats how they do pay OTA tv) |
| [01:41:59] | jolaren: | I think it's called CA, I'll put my card into it |
| [01:42:16] | mkrufky: | ok.. so i would assume that if the ca is properly supported in linux, it should work with *any* dvb-t card, no? |
| [01:42:55] | jolaren: | that's what I assume |
| [01:43:07] | jolaren: | It's a phoenix ca module which seems to be the one everyone is recomending |
| [01:43:40] | mkrufky: | and it connects via usb ? |
| [01:44:50] | jolaren: | Yes |
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| [01:48:06] | mkrufky: | sorry i was away for a moment |
| [01:48:36] | mkrufky: | anyway, if it connects via USB, it probably doesn't interact with the DVB-T tuner hardware at all |
| [01:49:12] | jolaren: | How do you mean? You mean it wont work? |
| [01:49:17] | mkrufky: | probably just decrypts the encrypted stream, on the host.... in which case, i doubt it matters which dvb-t tuner board you use |
| [01:49:47] | mkrufky: | no, how could i say "it wont work" if people have been recommending it to you? :-P |
| [01:50:00] | jolaren: | That's what I was wondering |
| [01:50:07] | mkrufky: | based on how it sounds, it will probably work with any board |
| [01:50:18] | jolaren: | I don't think it will matter, I need one that works with mythtv, linux |
| [01:50:34] | mkrufky: | unless the driver specifically prevents itself from working with certain hardware |
| [01:50:45] | mkrufky: | but... if it's an open source driver, i highly doubt it would do that |
| [01:51:10] | mkrufky: | so... what tv tuner boards can you buy? you said you have limited options based on whats for sale in your area? |
| [01:52:21] | jolaren: | mkrufky; What. I'll give you a link |
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| [01:53:32] | jolaren: | mkrufky; http://www.prisjakt.nu/kategori.php?l=s475896 . . . ;l=s47590101 |
| [01:54:45] | jolaren: | mkrufky; All dvb-t with hd compability in my area |
| [01:55:37] | mkrufky: | yes, im looking at the list |
| [01:56:06] | jolaren: | mkrufky; Hope it's understandable for you, you just need to look at the names. |
| [01:56:10] | mkrufky: | ok, many of these are supported |
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| [01:56:52] | jolaren: | mkrufky; Are all equally good? Which is the cheapeast card that works? |
| [01:56:59] | mkrufky: | i know for sure that WinTV Nova-TD-HD is supported, and it's actually a dual tuner / diversity tuner |
| [01:57:13] | mkrufky: | also, the WinTV MiniStick is fully supported |
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| [01:57:20] | mkrufky: | those are both USB though |
| [01:57:25] | mkrufky: | did you want USB or PCI or PCIe ? |
| [01:57:38] | jolaren: | All of those are usb's |
| [01:57:44] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [01:57:45] | jolaren: | I've chosen that in the area above |
| [01:57:48] | mkrufky: | is that ok? |
| [01:57:57] | mkrufky: | the WinTV MiniStick works well, and its cheap |
| [01:58:25] | mkrufky: | there are some cheaper ones, but im not sure if they work well or not |
| [01:58:33] | mkrufky: | the WinTV devices I have tested personally... |
| [01:58:40] | mkrufky: | (but thats because i do some work on those drivers) |
| [01:59:33] | mkrufky: | If you choose the MiniStick, you'll just have to install the firmware for the device... the recent distros already have the driver itself built=in |
| [01:59:38] | jolaren: | mkrufky; Both seem fine. Just wondering If I should go with the cheap one, if it's worth it |
| [02:00:59] | mkrufky: | which one? |
| [02:01:41] | jolaren: | The ministick or the wintv nova-td hd |
| [02:01:51] | jolaren: | like 30 euro between the two |
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| [02:02:07] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [02:03:06] | jolaren: | It's not much money thought |
| [02:03:13] | jolaren: | But I think I'll go with the one your certain off |
| [02:03:14] | mkrufky: | the nice thing about the nova-td-hd is that it's actually two tuners built into one |
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| [02:03:23] | mkrufky: | both, i am certain of |
| [02:03:24] | mkrufky: | but.... |
| [02:03:27] | jolaren: | mkrufky; What does that mean exactly? |
| [02:03:32] | mkrufky: | you should know that im not entirely impartial |
| [02:03:37] | mkrufky: | i work on the drivers for those ;-) |
| [02:03:43] | jolaren: | Hehe |
| [02:03:47] | jolaren: | Not that |
| [02:03:48] | jolaren: | I wondered |
| [02:03:51] | mkrufky: | dual tuners means you can record two shows at once |
| [02:03:54] | jolaren: | two tuners, what's the benefit? |
| [02:03:58] | jolaren: | Oh, that's super sweet |
| [02:04:04] | mkrufky: | but..... |
| [02:04:22] | mkrufky: | mythtv has a feature that lets you use 1 tuner to record two shows at once.... but only if they're on the same frequency |
| [02:04:33] | mkrufky: | the "dual tuner" lets you record two shows on two different frequencies |
| [02:04:42] | jolaren: | That's great. |
| [02:05:22] | mkrufky: | the Nova-TD-HD dual tuner is actually meant for a "diversity" feature |
| [02:05:48] | mkrufky: | which lets you tune both tuners to the same frequency, so that in case there are any errors or disruptions in the reception, the other tuner will account for it |
| [02:05:57] | mkrufky: | but i dont think we support that feature (yet) in linux |
| [02:06:07] | sixup: | Hey All, just got my wintv-hvr-1600 in the mail today. Any help setting it up would be greatly appreciated. |
| [02:06:10] | mkrufky: | but we do plan on it, eventually (probably not soon though) |
| [02:08:04] | jolaren: | I'm super thrilled about going to the store tomorrow morning |
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| [02:09:43] | jolaren: | Thanks a bunch mkrufky |
| [02:11:33] | mkrufky: | you're welcome |
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| [02:14:16] | sphery: | Heh, nice... I accidentally learned a neat trick for T-Bird 3. I started to edit my reply in the actual message window (forgot to click reply), so I had a section of the message highlighted, then when I realized I didn't click reply and clicked reply, it started a reply message with only the selected section quoted. Nice way to clean up the garbage quickly. |
| [02:14:37] | sphery: | Now that should save me about 5min/day on mythtv mailing lists :) |
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| [02:15:48] | mcmoyer: | hi all, why do I get a green bar at the bottom of my transcoded recordings...but only on resized ones. |
| [02:25:58] | skd5aner: | sphery: accidently finding features rocks |
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| [02:26:36] | skd5aner: | well, useful features anyway |
| [02:36:32] | sphery: | skd5aner: exactly |
| [02:41:11] | elmojo: | sphery: if you really want to save some time on the MLs then start using Yahoo for your e-mail... it's guaranteed to lose many posts every day and the ones that go through are sometimes extremely delayed |
| [02:41:31] | sphery: | mcmoyer: IIRC, that's typically caused by transcoding to an "invalid" size output. For example, with a CODEC that requires height to be a multiple of 16 pixels, if you specify some other value, it "adds in" the missing pixels, but with no content, so you get green or whatever. For example, transcoding 720p or 1080i to 640x360 (where 360 = 16 x 22.5) would give you some pixels of green. |
| [02:41:44] | sphery: | elmojo: heh, that's another approach. |
| [02:42:33] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: my own local mail server manages to do that anyway |
| [02:42:53] | wagnerrp: | im estimating like a 5% loss from the mailing list |
| [02:42:54] | elmojo: | sphery: today I switched to GMail and it is so much better.... the posts arrive almost immediately and it has threading support |
| [02:43:57] | elmojo: | wagnerrp: not sure the percentage of drops but sometimes it's a quite noticeable |
| [02:44:12] | mcmoyer: | sphery: thx! I remember something about that now. Was following a guide that suggested 960x540...didn't even think to check the multiples. |
| [02:44:24] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: i can just tell from mails that show up 're' with a referenced mail i dont have |
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| [02:45:15] | sphery: | mcmoyer: can't guarantee that's it--I'm far from a transcoding expert as I find HDD's cheaper than the time/electricity used for transcoding--but it's worth a try. |
| [02:45:16] | wagnerrp: | of course a number of those are just from horrible mailers that dont support that field |
| [02:45:25] | elmojo: | wagnerrp: Several times I've been involved in threads that I didn't get messages I wanted to reply to... very annoying |
| [02:45:36] | achew22: | does anyone know how to decipher this message from the log: "Scheduled 595 items in 1.5 = 0.02 match + 1.47 place"? |
| [02:45:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are you running any kind of spam filtering or RBL's or whatever? |
| [02:46:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not intentionally |
| [02:46:15] | sphery: | my mail server seems to get everything for me (and sort it nicely), but mine is configured as a black hole |
| [02:46:17] | wagnerrp: | i have some backup mx through rollernet, that i thought could be filtering stuff |
| [02:46:20] | [R]: | achew22: it scheduled 596 items in 1.5 seconds |
| [02:46:26] | [R]: | 595* |
| [02:46:30] | wagnerrp: | but that wasnt the problem |
| [02:46:33] | elmojo: | sphery: do you notice many lost posts on the MLs? |
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| [02:46:42] | achew22: | [R]: yes, but what is the 0.02 match + 1.47 place |
| [02:46:48] | wagnerrp: | besides that, i just have maildrop set up to sort out mailing list emails |
| [02:46:57] | wagnerrp: | no filtering there of |
| [02:47:11] | [R]: | achew22: there two actions... match and place... match took 0.02 seconds and place took 1.47 seconds |
| [02:47:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, yeah... that could easily be. I haven't found a single mail provider that has no spam filtering/RBL's. |
| [02:47:20] | achew22: | [R]: thank you very much |
| [02:47:23] | sphery: | elmojo: nope... everything seems to come through |
| [02:47:34] | sphery: | at least the threads I read are all intact. |
| [02:47:52] | elmojo: | sphery: good to hear... I'm hoping GMail is much better |
| [02:47:58] | achew22: | [R]: match is a map like function (finds all possible matches) and place is a reduce like function (lays out the schedule in a way to avoid conflicts)? |
| [02:48:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats only my secondary mx anyway, it shouldnt get used unless someone cannot access my primary server, shouldnt it? |
| [02:48:17] | [R]: | achew22: no clue... but if you are that interested... just read the source |
| [02:48:50] | achew22: | [R]: do you have any clue where that would be in code? I've never read through myth's code |
| [02:48:53] | wagnerrp: | my primary server is just postfix on my home server |
| [02:49:06] | [R]: | achew22: well then i suggest you learn to use grep |
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| [02:49:18] | achew22: | [R]: good call. Thanks. |
| [02:50:04] | achandra: | anyone run into an issue where mythbuntu volume "level" is really low? Whats the resolution to this? — played around with alsaconf and such with no luck. |
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| [02:50:24] | achandra: | btw. mythmusic's volume works just fine...its only when playing video or tv shows |
| [02:50:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I don't know anything about backup mail servers--haven't set one up |
| [02:51:07] | sphery: | but it makes sense that it should use the primary unless unavailable |
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| [03:01:52] | Dagmar: | backup mail servers == trivial |
| [03:02:04] | Dagmar: | s/backup mail servers/secondary MX hosts/; |
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| [03:24:26] | jst: | Kind of a weird question, but does anyone know how to tell the version number of a WinTV-HVR-1600? I pulled my card and I am looking at right now, but I cannot tell if it's version 1178, 1181 or 1199. |
| [03:27:20] | jolaren: | Any Swedish user that can confirm that Boxer uses dvb-t? As from what I can read from the internet dvb-t seems to be "local channels" or something |
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| [03:32:28] | clever: | Dagmar: but how would i go about configuring exim to store&relay email from *->X and from localnetwork->* without allowing *->* (become a spam forwarding proxy) |
| [03:32:56] | clever: | Dagmar: i need to accept relaying from anybody, if the dest is X, or if the origin is the LAN |
| [03:36:02] | clever: | achandra: have you tried playing a recording with mplayer? |
| [03:36:38] | Dagmar: | I am not screwing with your email issues tonight and you can't afford my consulting rate for it |
| [03:36:48] | Dagmar: | Read some fraking docs |
| [03:37:07] | clever: | Dagmar: i have, but exim config files aint simple |
| [03:37:16] | Dagmar: | So stop using the damn thing then |
| [03:37:23] | Dagmar: | "Oh woe is me my mail server is too complex" |
| [03:37:39] | Dagmar: | I have *zero* tolerance for people attempting to run mail servers without configuring them properly |
| [03:37:46] | clever: | for basic email, it works fine and the config files are basicaly using #define's to make it simple |
| [03:37:55] | Dagmar: | If you can't manage an MX properly you shouldn't run one. |
| [03:38:06] | clever: | ive got normal MX working fine |
| [03:38:19] | clever: | the problem is letting it also relay for a 2nd guy, who has port 25 closed up |
| [03:38:50] | clever: | the plan was to point the MX records at me, and then my server relays it (over a diff port) to the real server |
| [03:39:07] | clever: | without breaking the 'normal MX' setup that is already going |
| [03:40:11] | clever: | exim config files are practicaly writen in brainf*ck |
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| [03:54:05] | Dagmar: | So stop using effing exim |
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| [03:54:57] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [03:54:58] | kormoc: | Dagmar: I guess clever is going off? |
| [03:55:12] | Dagmar: | kormoc: I think he's losing his mind |
| [03:55:17] | mattwj2002: | I am moving back to the Twin Cities!!! |
| [03:55:18] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:55:19] | Dagmar: | You can't _pay_ me to work on people's mail servers anymore |
| [03:55:31] | Dagmar: | My answer to all questions involving mail hosts is "F**k you" |
| [03:55:38] | mattwj2002: | which means OTA HD again |
| [03:55:40] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:55:57] | clever: | Dagmar: ok, i get the picture, lets pray this doesnt drive me insane:P |
| [03:56:08] | kormoc: | it's why I have him on /ignore ... But in anycase, clever, it's off topic and just pointless babbel, don't bother with it in here |
| [03:56:29] | Dagmar: | I've had about 1,000 too many questions that reek of "I don't have the first clue of what I'm doing, and two weeks from now I'm going to be calling you saying 'Help I've been blacklisted for relaying spam'" |
| [03:56:57] | Dagmar: | clever: There is exactly zero reason to keep using a mail server you do not understand |
| [03:57:05] | clever: | i know that id be relaying spam if i do it wrong, so thats why ive been asking for help |
| [03:57:10] | Dagmar: | It's NOT LIKE you have THOUSANDS of mails to process an hour |
| [03:57:21] | clever: | what server would you recomend, if it was something easy i can just use it and shut up |
| [03:57:28] | Dagmar: | It doesn't matter a single stinking bit what throughput your server is capable of if you don't know how to do it |
| [03:57:30] | Dagmar: | Sendmail. |
| [03:57:35] | Dagmar: | It's the *most* documented. |
| [03:57:41] | clever: | sendmail can act as a smtp server? |
| [03:57:51] | clever: | i thought it was only as a client for sending |
| [03:57:59] | Dagmar: | Probably 90% of it's configurations involve writing a text file no more than ten lines in length, and then running m4 over it |
| [03:58:08] | Dagmar: | You are having me on |
| [03:58:32] | Dagmar: | Oh, the "bat book" is probably not your friend |
| [03:58:54] | Dagmar: | O'Reilly's Sendmail book pretty much typifies "can't see the forest for the trees" |
| [03:59:01] | clever: | once i un-cripple my wifi, i'll start looking at how to make a sendmail server |
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| [03:59:44] | Dagmar: | Remember: Your mail server should allow mail to be given to it for one of three reasons |
| [03:59:52] | Dagmar: | 1. it's destined for a user on that machine |
| [04:00:03] | Dagmar: | 2. The server relays for a very specific other domain |
| [04:00:22] | clever: | 3. its from the local network |
| [04:00:25] | Dagmar: | 3. You desperately want to contribute to the worldwide spam problem |
| [04:00:40] | clever: | ah, yeah that 3 is a no no:P |
| [04:00:46] | Dagmar: | Your #3 is fairly debateable |
| [04:00:53] | clever: | my lan is secured |
| [04:01:10] | clever: | and outgoing isnt filtered, so if your on the lan, you can spam from my ip anyways |
| [04:01:47] | Dagmar: | People _invariably_ decide they want to so something impossibly stupid to get around these simple rules. |
| [04:02:07] | clever: | my 'stupid' idea is to accept email for a friend, and then relay it over a non-standard port |
| [04:02:12] | Dagmar: | Things like, assuming the mail is okay to relay because the sender's apparent email address ends in @mydomain.com |
| [04:02:24] | clever: | his ISP is going overboard with the spam blocking, port 25 ONLY works on there servers |
| [04:02:36] | joesuffceren: | I'm assuming this isn't possible, but is there any way to "upgrade" (via hacked firmware or some other means) an analog tuner (specifically a Plextor TV-402U) to a digital one? |
| [04:02:36] | Dagmar: | clever: That's a "smart host" configuration, which is one line to add to a sendmail.mc file |
| [04:02:37] | clever: | so he cant send smtp directly to the proper server, or accept |
| [04:02:42] | Dagmar: | No joke, one line. |
| [04:02:53] | Dagmar: | joesuffceren: Hahahah no |
| [04:02:57] | wagnerrp: | .... |
| [04:03:02] | clever: | yeah, smarthost is to accept from anybody (in a defined range) and then relay it to where it belongs |
| [04:03:10] | mattwj2002: | joesuffceren I don't believe so |
| [04:03:16] | wagnerrp: | i know were supposed to be nice to new guys, but... |
| [04:03:19] | clever: | i want smarthost from * to an exact domain |
| [04:03:31] | Dagmar: | No you don't. |
| [04:03:36] | mattwj2002: | joesuffceren I recommend the hdhomerun for hd tuners |
| [04:03:38] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [04:03:44] | Dagmar: | Smarthost is not a verb |
| [04:04:00] | clever: | from what i know, smarthosts will accept from a defined range, and then relay it to the proper server (acording to MX records) |
| [04:04:09] | joesuffceren: | Dagmar: figured as much, but thought I'd ask. is there an inexpensive digital tuner that I could get, then, and have mythtv use that in conjunction with the mp4 encoding on my tv402u, or do I need just to scrap it and get a new tuner/encoder? |
| [04:04:10] | clever: | limited range->anything |
| [04:04:33] | Dagmar: | joesuffceren: You can not slave one card to another, no |
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| [04:04:59] | joesuffceren: | ok, I'll look into getting a new one. Thought I'd ask for a miracle first. Thanks. I'll be back |
| [04:05:15] | mattwj2002: | joesuffceren where are you from? |
| [04:05:18] | mattwj2002: | us? |
| [04:05:22] | mattwj2002: | US? |
| [04:05:53] | Dagmar: | clever: Oh and you *will* get dictionary spam |
| [04:05:59] | wagnerrp: | joesuffceren: you just run two independent tuners, mythtv can handle multiples |
| [04:06:19] | mattwj2002: | because from what I understand in the US HD is always encoded in MPEG2....correct me room if I am wrong on that |
| [04:06:22] | clever: | Dagmar: i'm already hosting the MX for my own domain, though i havent checked those error logs lately |
| [04:06:43] | mattwj2002: | it is actually broadcasted that way I mean |
| [04:06:52] | Dagmar: | I'll go so far as to say you shoudln't even ever deliver messages of failure |
| [04:06:54] | mattwj2002: | OTA I am talking about |
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| [04:07:25] | Dagmar: | The moment you do, spammers will begin sending spam via phony From: fields to nonexistanuser@yourdomain.com |
| [04:07:38] | clever: | Dagmar: looks like i havent had any spam in over a week, 2009-12–29 rejected RCPT <sseenndd0622@yahoo.com.hk >: relay not permitted |
| [04:07:40] | Dagmar: | ...just because their spam will still go out to people as a bounce message |
| [04:07:54] | Dagmar: | clever: They're not trying very hard. Yet. |
| [04:08:06] | clever: | its rejecting before it even gets the message |
| [04:08:12] | Dagmar: | If you've never listened to anyone in your life listen to me clearly on this |
| [04:08:12] | clever: | which i would say is the best way to do it |
| [04:08:23] | wagnerrp: | crap... i set better off ted to record for an extra hour last week for the football game |
| [04:08:27] | wagnerrp: | and now theyre all doing it |
| [04:08:33] | wagnerrp: | 2 extra hours recorded tonight |
| [04:08:39] | clever: | the remote end knows it failed and i never even got the DATA portion of the message |
| [04:08:40] | beata: | anyone care to help, im trying to use pulseaudio, spdif. when in system->prefences->sound->hardware i dont see an option for digitial surround, only digitial stero. When i use this setting, i get sound but only sound track, no voices. Any sugestions? |
| [04:08:42] | Dagmar: | If you deviate from the principle of least priviledge even a TINY BIT with a mail server, it WILL be abused within a month |
| [04:09:09] | Dagmar: | ...and once it's been successfully abused once, they'll put you in a list of chumps and you will never, ever see them stop trying |
| [04:09:12] | clever: | yeah, thats why ive wanted to figure out how to do it properly |
| [04:09:26] | clever: | would they list me by IP or domain? |
| [04:09:32] | clever: | because ive got a dynamic ip |
| [04:09:45] | Dagmar: | Then you can't really MX for people worth a dam |
| [04:09:52] | Dagmar: | ...so you can just stop right there. |
| [04:10:05] | Dagmar: | No one accepts emails directly from floating IP blocks |
| [04:10:30] | clever: | when the modem is stable (99% of the time) it will last a long time |
| [04:10:34] | Dagmar: | ...because at any given moment there's about a quarter million machines out there which are on DHCP leases, sending spam |
| [04:10:37] | clever: | so the ip is perfectly stable |
| [04:10:42] | Dagmar: | doesn't matter |
| [04:10:48] | wagnerrp: | ive been trying to set up postfix to route through my ISPs mail servers for months, and havent yet succeeded |
| [04:10:57] | clever: | yeah, thats why i configured my exim to use a 'smarthost' of my ISP's smtp box |
| [04:11:02] | clever: | so all outgoing is sent to the ISP |
| [04:11:17] | Dagmar: | That's the correct thing to do |
| [04:11:33] | clever: | ive seen alot of other ISP's that just completely block 25 |
| [04:11:43] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [04:11:45] | clever: | so you CANT send spam without going thru the ISP |
| [04:11:53] | Dagmar: | The "quarter million" figure was not an exaggeration |
| [04:12:00] | clever: | which is the whole problem i'm trying to fix, 25 incoming is also blocked |
| [04:12:26] | Dagmar: | That's because they don't want newbs setting up mail hosts and screwing it up |
| [04:12:44] | Dagmar: | In the US, approximately *half* of all mail server resources are being consumed by spam. |
| [04:12:46] | clever: | i beleive he asked the ISP and they say its not supported but is allowed |
| [04:13:07] | Dagmar: | Spam doubles the cost of email. Period. |
| [04:13:40] | Dagmar: | If they're blocking 25/tcp inbound, then it's not allowed, regardless of what the CS rep was saying |
| [04:13:44] | clever: | spam is an expensive thing, for both ends |
| [04:14:08] | Dagmar: | it doesn't get more "not allowed" than a traffic filer |
| [04:14:21] | clever: | enless the admin was an idiot and just blocked 25 in both directions |
| [04:15:37] | clever: | its an easy mistake and fixing it is low prio since its not a supported thing |
| [04:17:57] | clever: | i need to go over things with him again anyways, to see if 25 inbound is really blocked, or he is just an idiot :P |
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| [04:33:28] | Wicked: | hmm. how can i make a rule to record a show...that doesnt show up in a search? ive gotten into sons of anarchy..been watching my friends recorded season1....but when i search for it there is no listings...and the show doesnt come back for a long time..near the end of the year iirc |
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| [04:34:40] | [R]: | you can makea cust omrecording rule |
| [04:35:43] | Wicked: | hmm ok. ive never made a custom one before. |
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| [04:36:16] | Elive_user37_de: | get free rapidshare access: http://Rapidshit.com |
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| [04:37:10] | Wicked: | lol |
| [04:37:52] | wagnerrp: | anyone up for a permaban? |
| [04:38:30] | wagnerrp: | or was that just some nameless computer under remote control |
| [04:39:43] | Wicked: | id guess drive by spammer |
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| [04:49:34] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: They were using http://www.elivecd.org/Download/Stable |
| [04:50:50] | Dagmar: | august: The achievement spam is hilarious. I wouldn't throttle it |
| [04:51:07] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [04:51:09] | Dagmar: | doh |
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| [05:08:44] | oobe: | clever you can test open or blocked ports with https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 |
| [05:08:52] | clever: | i know i can |
| [05:08:56] | clever: | used it alot before |
| [05:09:43] | oobe: | ok real handy i like that site been using it for 7 years |
| [05:11:45] | clever: | yeah, but it cant scan a remote system |
| [05:11:52] | clever: | for safety it can only scan the one loading the page |
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| [05:15:03] | oobe: | true that |
| [05:15:55] | oobe: | nmap -PN -p 25 192.168.1.1 |
| [05:16:32] | Dagmar: | Excepting that GRC is run by a pinhead |
| [05:16:38] | Dagmar: | ...and that's putting it mildly. |
| [05:17:13] | clever: | i'll just tcpdump telnet while i try to connect:P |
| [05:17:21] | clever: | it gives alot clearer of a answer |
| [05:17:30] | clever: | tcpdump it at both ends |
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| [06:03:09] | sean_: | mythtv problem...new cablemodem and digital cable through time warner |
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| [06:03:21] | [R]: | what does myth have to do with a cable modem |
| [06:03:39] | sean_: | cant get signal from digital cable |
| [06:03:43] | wagnerrp: | new to replace old? or new to replace none? |
| [06:03:52] | sean_: | using and old analog tv card |
| [06:04:00] | sean_: | is that what i have to do |
| [06:04:15] | wagnerrp: | youre saying you want to capture off the digital cable box? |
| [06:04:35] | sean_: | bypass all togeher |
| [06:04:46] | wagnerrp: | then you need a digital tuner, QAM specifically |
| [06:04:51] | wagnerrp: | and it will probably be for naught |
| [06:05:07] | wagnerrp: | check silicondust.com, they have channel lineups available, searchable by zip code |
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| [06:05:19] | wagnerrp: | they will tell you what you can expect to receive over clear qam |
| [06:05:34] | sean_: | have a hd tv |
| [06:05:48] | sean_: | just transfered the cable |
| [06:06:01] | sean_: | got the master backend setup |
| [06:06:15] | sean_: | but cant record shit |
| [06:06:28] | sean_: | guess if i had a ir transmitter |
| [06:06:41] | wagnerrp: | watch the language |
| [06:06:46] | sean_: | i could downgrade the signal and rip through a box |
| [06:06:48] | wagnerrp: | with digital cable, you have three options |
| [06:06:49] | [R]: | what are you going to transmit to? the cable box you don't have? |
| [06:07:01] | wagnerrp: | you can record directly over clearqam |
| [06:07:14] | wagnerrp: | but youre likely not going to get anything more than the local broadcast channels |
| [06:07:17] | sean_: | how much for the card |
| [06:07:27] | wagnerrp: | you can record over firewire from a cable box |
| [06:07:40] | wagnerrp: | but again, youre likely not to get many channels, if any at all |
| [06:07:50] | sean_: | oh, I can still record off the cable without a box |
| [06:07:51] | wagnerrp: | or you can record the analog output from your cable box |
| [06:08:25] | wagnerrp: | using an IVTV card (for standard def) or an HDPVR (for high def) |
| [06:08:50] | sean_: | oh ok, so i need a box to downgrade signal |
| [06:08:50] | [R]: | thats misleading... you can record stadnard def iwth an hdpvr |
| [06:08:51] | [R]: | :) |
| [06:09:37] | sean_: | have a Remote wonder pro i think...like 8 yrs old |
| [06:09:41] | sean_: | you |
| [06:09:53] | sean_: | you'd think i lived in india |
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| [07:53:28] | wagnerrp: | oh hell... someone just posted an image on the wiki claiming to be running mythfrontend inside a VM |
| [07:54:49] | [R]: | just the menu or watching video? |
| [07:56:46] | wagnerrp: | video it would seem |
| [07:57:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont deny that with sufficient power it *can* be done |
| [07:58:14] | wagnerrp: | rather that it shouldnt, so we dont get every clueless luser in here asking why it isnt working for them |
| [07:58:49] | wagnerrp: | beyond the fact that VMs are almost always used in a manner that they shouldnt be |
| [07:59:35] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:59:45] | [R]: | its so you can be leet and use windows and run myth in a vm |
| [08:00:12] | wagnerrp: | why not use the windows client? |
| [08:00:40] | [R]: | because thats not leet |
| [08:00:41] | [R]: | duh... |
| [08:01:41] | wagnerrp: | whats 'l33t' about using someone else's retarded substitution cipher |
| [08:02:12] | wagnerrp: | look at me, i can replace letters with numbers |
| [08:02:38] | wagnerrp: | im h4rd[0r3! |
| [08:03:23] | wagnerrp: | it hurts me every time i try to do that, and have to revert back to hunt-and-peck |
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| [08:03:48] | [R]: | lol |
| [08:04:24] | [R]: | have you ever watched operation repo? |
| [08:04:31] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [08:04:36] | [R]: | its totally fake... because if it was real... they'd get their asses sued every time |
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| [08:12:29] | KungFuJesus: | Anyone else notice ignyte is now non-existent? |
| [08:12:44] | wagnerrp: | ignyte? |
| [08:12:57] | KungFuJesus: | can't fetch data with the grabber, although pieces of the website still remain on the domain via google |
| [08:13:03] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, ignyte, what mythmovies uses |
| [08:13:50] | KungFuJesus: | the main domain is now a goofy software company that develops silly windows apps |
| [08:14:03] | KungFuJesus: | they look like applications I'd develop while at work when I was bored |
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| [08:15:57] | wagnerrp: | looks like the service is offline |
| [08:16:34] | wagnerrp: | although they still have documentation on it... http://www.ignyte.com/webservices/ignyte.what . . . nctions.asmx |
| [08:18:20] | KungFuJesus: | weird |
| [08:18:39] | KungFuJesus: | whiel I do appreciate the API, is it possible to find a better provider for the data? |
| [08:19:00] | KungFuJesus: | this is the second time I've seen this service down |
| [08:19:38] | wagnerrp: | wow... my area code goes a long way |
| [08:20:05] | wagnerrp: | thats like a 2-hr drive from here |
| [08:20:17] | KungFuJesus: | heh, me too |
| [08:20:19] | KungFuJesus: | weird |
| [08:20:30] | [R]: | we have like 4 area codes in a like 25 mile radius |
| [08:20:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, saw that |
| [08:20:38] | KungFuJesus: | I'm in Northern Kentucky |
| [08:20:41] | wagnerrp: | youre a NKY user too |
| [08:20:49] | wagnerrp: | 'fuse.net' |
| [08:20:55] | [R]: | my sister lives in WV |
| [08:21:10] | KungFuJesus: | haha, weird. Yeah I thought it was peculiar this company was in Danville |
| [08:21:27] | KungFuJesus: | A software company or any company for that matter in Danville is a laughing matter |
| [08:21:30] | KungFuJesus: | lol |
| [08:21:41] | wagnerrp: | [R]: yeah, were right on the edge |
| [08:21:51] | wagnerrp: | two other area codes within about a 20min drive |
| [08:22:01] | KungFuJesus: | wagnerrp: so you're a cincinnatian? |
| [08:22:28] | ** wagnerrp points to his /whois data ** | |
| [08:22:55] | [R]: | crazy people who live in the crazy part of the country |
| [08:23:17] | KungFuJesus: | good ol' cincinnati bell |
| [08:23:34] | KungFuJesus: | I wish they offered Fioptics where I lived :( |
| [08:23:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah... the DO offer Fioptics where i live |
| [08:23:52] | KungFuJesus: | lucky bastard |
| [08:23:55] | wagnerrp: | but theyre only selling to apartment dwellers at the moment |
| [08:23:59] | KungFuJesus: | oh :( |
| [08:24:15] | KungFuJesus: | my friend has the 30mbps service with 20mbps up in Clifton |
| [08:24:26] | wagnerrp: | ive been complaining about that ever since i started seeing trucks roll around a couple months ago |
| [08:24:41] | KungFuJesus: | dude I'm so tired of 3mbps DSL |
| [08:24:43] | wagnerrp: | hows their TV service? |
| [08:24:56] | KungFuJesus: | I don't use it, I just use OTA with mythtv |
| [08:24:59] | wagnerrp: | i get about 4.5 here... plenty fine for my purposes |
| [08:25:14] | wagnerrp: | i mean your friend |
| [08:25:23] | KungFuJesus: | he doesn't use it, either |
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| [08:25:38] | KungFuJesus: | they offer really silly bundles, he wouldn't appreciate using their STB either |
| [08:26:24] | KungFuJesus: | wagnerrp: so I take it you went to Ohio Linuxfest, eh? |
| [08:26:32] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [08:26:43] | wagnerrp: | didnt know about it, wouldnt have gone if i did |
| [08:26:56] | KungFuJesus: | hmm, well it has better years |
| [08:27:01] | KungFuJesus: | this year wasn't really the best one |
| [08:27:32] | wagnerrp: | cant seem to find any local zip codes with CB cable service on silicondust |
| [08:28:10] | KungFuJesus: | man, small world |
| [08:29:13] | wagnerrp: | youre in western hills? |
| [08:29:18] | KungFuJesus: | nah |
| [08:29:30] | KungFuJesus: | I'm in a city annexed by Covington |
| [08:29:30] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out the CB network |
| [08:29:41] | wagnerrp: | youre routed through 'ws-osr2' |
| [08:29:48] | KungFuJesus: | Essobi is apparently from NKY, too |
| [08:29:54] | wagnerrp: | figured that meant 'west side' |
| [08:30:20] | wagnerrp: | of course im on 'ws-osr1', so that theory is shot anyway |
| [08:30:21] | KungFuJesus: | Who the hell knows how cincinnati bell has their routers configured |
| [08:30:45] | KungFuJesus: | that likely puts you very close to me, lol |
| [08:31:04] | KungFuJesus: | and the odds you'd be up at 3:30 in the morning too? |
| [08:31:10] | KungFuJesus: | dude, are you watching me? :-p |
| [08:31:11] | wagnerrp: | nah, im probably about 5mi away |
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| [08:32:12] | KungFuJesus: | If Insight's digital cable wasn't encrypted I'd get them as well and do multi-wan with pfsense |
| [08:32:37] | KungFuJesus: | 20mbps+3mbps=23mbps. Of course at that point keeping cinbell would seem stupid by comparison |
| [08:32:55] | wagnerrp: | im over in fort thomas, which was one of their first fioptic neighborhoods |
| [08:33:13] | wagnerrp: | and on top of that, im a 2min walk from the DSLAM |
| [08:33:16] | wagnerrp: | but still no fiber |
| [08:33:17] | KungFuJesus: | yep, first in NKY. They claim to be picking the "more residential" areas |
| [08:33:59] | KungFuJesus: | Gah, you are so lucky, you are closer to getting fiber to the curve than I am by probably 2 years |
| [08:34:08] | KungFuJesus: | curb* |
| [08:34:51] | wagnerrp: | well like i said, its been a good 5 months or so, with not a peep from them |
| [08:35:07] | KungFuJesus: | you'll get something in the mail for sure |
| [08:35:21] | wagnerrp: | i was actually considering switching over to DSL2 and upgrading my router when i found out they were doing it |
| [08:35:27] | KungFuJesus: | I, on the other hand, have to wait 2 or more years |
| [08:35:42] | KungFuJesus: | does cincinnati bell offer DSL2? |
| [08:35:43] | wagnerrp: | makes no sense, advertising brand new DSL2, which installing fiber |
| [08:35:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, have for half a year now |
| [08:36:26] | Dagmar: | ...but... but... it's DSL TWO |
| [08:36:30] | Dagmar: | It's almost two point oh! |
| [08:36:35] | Dagmar: | It MUST be better! |
| [08:36:37] | KungFuJesus: | how much more is it? |
| [08:36:42] | wagnerrp: | im still on my trusty (but getting flaky) 11yr old cisco |
| [08:37:03] | wagnerrp: | i was going to use that as an excuse to swap out the modem |
| [08:37:15] | KungFuJesus: | the tiny one or the huge ones they used to ship? |
| [08:37:32] | wagnerrp: | the big gray vented cisco box |
| [08:37:40] | Dagmar: | No one respects a small one. |
| [08:37:40] | wagnerrp: | complete with functional management port |
| [08:38:06] | KungFuJesus: | well the small ones had a serial port too, to be fair |
| [08:38:11] | KungFuJesus: | and I believe you could telnet into them |
| [08:38:26] | wagnerrp: | well what do you consider big/small? |
| [08:38:54] | KungFuJesus: | small means it is about the size of your hand, big is the size of a rackmount switch |
| [08:39:05] | KungFuJesus: | the rackmount switch size was what they first deployed |
| [08:39:18] | wagnerrp: | http://www.support-helppages.com/images/support/cisco678PPP.jpg |
| [08:39:26] | Dagmar: | 19" == big money |
| [08:39:28] | wagnerrp: | the 'small' one |
| [08:39:41] | wagnerrp: | technically its a 675, but they look the same |
| [08:39:59] | wagnerrp: | and theyve both been EOL'd for the better part of a decade |
| [08:40:00] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, that's the smaller one |
| [08:40:07] | KungFuJesus: | I remember those suckers |
| [08:40:13] | KungFuJesus: | the password is cisco :-p |
| [08:40:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [08:40:42] | KungFuJesus: | most peoples' would eventually die and they'd have to be replaced |
| [08:41:04] | wagnerrp: | well they must have had a warehouse full of them |
| [08:41:23] | KungFuJesus: | maybe, they change ADSL modems so frequently now, though |
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| [08:41:34] | KungFuJesus: | lately they've been having a marriage to westell |
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| [08:41:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [08:41:59] | wagnerrp: | i never could figure out how to pull multiple DHCP addresses for a single card |
| [08:42:04] | KungFuJesus: | I have the last of the bridged ones. All they ship now are stupid routers |
| [08:42:15] | wagnerrp: | so with the westells, i could only use one IP |
| [08:42:16] | oobe: | yay http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7322 jump points in mythvideo gallery view patch works awesome |
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| [08:42:28] | wagnerrp: | with the cisco, i get my own /29 |
| [08:43:05] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: If you paid more attention to network protocols, you woudln't have that problem |
| [08:43:07] | KungFuJesus: | everybody does, you get 4 IPs by default |
| [08:43:38] | KungFuJesus: | KungFuJesus: what do you mean? |
| [08:43:44] | KungFuJesus: | err Dagmar I mean |
| [08:44:04] | wagnerrp: | KungFuJesus: sure, but theyre dynamically allocated |
| [08:44:04] | wagnerrp: | you have to pull those four addresses using DHCP |
| [08:44:04] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you have a box sitting as a firewall, you cant really use them |
| [08:44:06] | KungFuJesus: | I can't say all 4 of my IPs are on the same subnet |
| [08:44:26] | wagnerrp: | i just get a /29 block in the 10.x range |
| [08:44:28] | Dagmar: | You can do pretty much whatever you like with a _router_ if you're allowed to manipulate/edit the ARP table |
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| [08:45:03] | KungFuJesus: | Dagmar: you're not allowed to do static ARPs |
| [08:45:06] | Dagmar: | Every unit I ever messed from them with allowed that |
| [08:45:23] | wagnerrp: | i do have one of those westell routers sitting in a box |
| [08:45:32] | KungFuJesus: | they're junky |
| [08:45:43] | wagnerrp: | some junky 4-port+wireless unit they handed out with the CBHomeRun phones |
| [08:45:59] | wagnerrp: | i tried using it as a spare access point |
| [08:46:04] | KungFuJesus: | worst pieces of garbage I've ever had to use |
| [08:46:05] | wagnerrp: | but it wasnt even worth that |
| [08:46:42] | KungFuJesus: | I may try to get this DSL2 offering. Is it available everywhere? |
| [08:46:55] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
| [08:47:03] | ARcanUSNUMquam: | Hi, i was wondering why mythtv needs write permissions on directories, specifically in the Videos storage group. I was hoping to keep the directories without write permissions to stop accidental deletion at the filesystem level |
| [08:47:15] | KungFuJesus: | how much per month? The same? |
| [08:47:22] | wagnerrp: | dont remember |
| [08:47:48] | KungFuJesus: | how fast is their DSL2 compared to the rest of the nation? 20mbps+? |
| [08:48:19] | wagnerrp: | zoomtown max, $5 extra for 10mbps service |
| [08:48:25] | wagnerrp: | didnt specify the upload |
| [08:49:29] | wagnerrp: | looks like the same 768 |
| [08:49:55] | [R]: | ARcanUSNUMquam: where deos it say it needs it? |
| [08:50:36] | wagnerrp: | ARcanUSNUMquam: it will only need write access if it needs to write images |
| [08:50:53] | KungFuJesus: | gah, 768kbps is pretty hard to swallow at times |
| [08:50:53] | wagnerrp: | and it only needs that if you havent otherwise specified image storage groups |
| [08:51:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but its enough to stream music to work, or run a L4D server |
| [08:51:28] | wagnerrp: | but its got to be mp3, no FLAC |
| [08:52:30] | KungFuJesus: | yeah until you start up a torrent |
| [08:52:52] | KungFuJesus: | I mean I suppose you can shape it and prioritize the l4D traffic |
| [08:53:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got some pretty complex rules for traffic shaping |
| [08:53:20] | KungFuJesus: | but 768kbps when trying to maintain a decent ratio... |
| [08:53:23] | KungFuJesus: | it's rough |
| [08:53:40] | ARcanUSNUMquam: | [R]: I add a directory to the storage group that is read-only, and it tries to create a .test file and it says the directory is read only i should continue only if i know what im doing |
| [08:53:49] | KungFuJesus: | So where do you work if you don't mind me asking? |
| [08:53:53] | [R]: | ARcanUSNUMquam: at no point does it say it needs to ahve write perms |
| [08:54:05] | ARcanUSNUMquam: | wagnerrp: so this is for things like movie posters? |
| [08:54:13] | wagnerrp: | ARcanUSNUMquam: thats just a default check, back from when storage groups used to be for recordings only |
| [08:54:21] | ARcanUSNUMquam: | ok |
| [08:54:24] | wagnerrp: | just something mythtv-setup complains about, nothing more |
| [08:54:26] | wagnerrp: | and yes |
| [08:54:27] | ARcanUSNUMquam: | thanks |
| [08:54:50] | wagnerrp: | KungFuJesus: UC research facility, off campus |
| [08:55:00] | KungFuJesus: | no way...haha, I'm a student |
| [08:55:17] | KungFuJesus: | well, a student on co-op this quarter |
| [08:55:19] | wagnerrp: | figured, since you have friends living in clifton |
| [08:55:34] | KungFuJesus: | Comp E major |
| [08:55:49] | wagnerrp: | aero e masters |
| [08:56:05] | KungFuJesus: | I suppose you've heard of our student org? http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu/ |
| [08:56:27] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of larc, not pohl |
| [08:56:38] | KungFuJesus: | pohl is just the server we managed to grandfather in |
| [08:56:45] | KungFuJesus: | you know anybody who was/is in there? |
| [08:57:01] | wagnerrp: | heard of, not know anything about |
| [08:57:18] | KungFuJesus: | you should come to one of our meetings when we're actually doing things |
| [08:58:23] | KungFuJesus: | pohl is our freebsd server |
| [08:58:32] | wagnerrp: | you might have an answer for this... know of any command line utilities to tunnel into their juniper vpn? |
| [08:58:48] | KungFuJesus: | we just ssh tunnel through pohl, lol |
| [08:58:57] | KungFuJesus: | do you want a shell account? |
| [08:59:17] | wagnerrp: | i have shell on a couple machines on campus already |
| [08:59:19] | wagnerrp: | never got it working |
| [08:59:37] | KungFuJesus: | socks proxy is normally all you need |
| [08:59:55] | KungFuJesus: | juniper boxes I'd image require building an IPSEC tunnel |
| [08:59:57] | wagnerrp: | ah, i was trying to do some PPP tunnel |
| [09:00:08] | wagnerrp: | no, its juniper's SSL VPN |
| [09:00:16] | wagnerrp: | some funky java program |
| [09:00:38] | wagnerrp: | not exactly something i could run on a dinky ALIX box |
| [09:00:43] | KungFuJesus: | hmm, I know that the vpn service UC used to use was cisco's vpn service |
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| [09:01:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, which was great, i could use VPNC to set up a tunnel, and then just route the desired network blocks through it |
| [09:01:44] | KungFuJesus: | yeah. Java adds some overhead, I can't say I've ever used a juniper box |
| [09:02:09] | wagnerrp: | well beyond that, the only interface was through a web browser |
| [09:02:15] | KungFuJesus: | but they run freebsd, so whatever they're using it can likely to be done with free software |
| [09:02:22] | wagnerrp: | and i cant very well run that on a machine with 256MB of memory |
| [09:03:12] | KungFuJesus: | I hope they update those things, junipers javascript had some nasty nasty exploits that they were showing off at a cinci 2600 meeting a while back |
| [09:03:20] | wagnerrp: | someone nmap'd the entire campus network? |
| [09:03:30] | KungFuJesus: | haha, yeah that was a while ago |
| [09:03:38] | wagnerrp: | im surprised they didnt get someone knocking on their door |
| [09:03:39] | KungFuJesus: | I was surprised the SNMP storm didn't set off any alarms |
| [09:03:41] | KungFuJesus: | yeah |
| [09:03:45] | Dagmar: | Probably no more often than usual |
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| [09:04:12] | KungFuJesus: | we did do mac spoofing, but if they wanted to trace the port on the switch I suppose they could have |
| [09:04:23] | wagnerrp: | very easily |
| [09:04:40] | KungFuJesus: | meh, there are worms all over campus |
| [09:04:48] | KungFuJesus: | mirapoint was bombarded with them every day |
| [09:04:57] | KungFuJesus: | and somehow those machines stayed on the network |
| [09:05:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i remember last time i brought my freshly installed WinXP laptop onto campus wireless |
| [09:05:23] | wagnerrp: | ended up having to install it a second time when i got home |
| [09:05:38] | wagnerrp: | teach me to not bother to patch it because i ran out of time |
| [09:05:38] | KungFuJesus: | of course campus MX records are really thorough, so almost all of the spam that isn't caught gets through |
| [09:06:23] | KungFuJesus: | it's the same reason we're able to run a mailing list on pohl |
| [09:07:35] | KungFuJesus: | aww, I forgot the machine hosting the saved nmap is gone. We have it somewhere, though |
| [09:09:04] | wagnerrp: | you were never around before the firewall were you |
| [09:09:49] | KungFuJesus: | I've heard stories, lol |
| [09:10:00] | KungFuJesus: | I heard of somebody running their own direct connect hub on campus |
| [09:10:02] | wagnerrp: | freshman year, we had full bi-directional traffic, but it was NAT'd (one-to-one) so you had to use some external service to figure out your IP |
| [09:10:08] | wagnerrp: | well that was different |
| [09:10:20] | wagnerrp: | that was internal |
| [09:10:33] | KungFuJesus: | wow. Yeah I was wondering why campus had such a large pool of IPs |
| [09:11:46] | KungFuJesus: | err wait, 1:1 NAT for one public IP or several? |
| [09:11:55] | wagnerrp: | i remember there was someone in a couple of my sister's classes a few years before me who had his network privileges revoked after running a porn server on multiple machines in one of the dorm labs |
| [09:11:56] | KungFuJesus: | I can see people fighting over port 80, lol |
| [09:12:09] | wagnerrp: | 1:1 NAT, i think it still works that way, but its just heavily filtered now |
| [09:13:39] | KungFuJesus: | man a 1:1 NAT for a campus is such a terrible security model, lol |
| [09:13:59] | KungFuJesus: | Who was in charge then? Did they know how the internet worked? |
| [09:14:13] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with 1:1? |
| [09:14:31] | KungFuJesus: | you give open ports on your network, like swiss cheese |
| [09:14:40] | wagnerrp: | only if you have no filtering |
| [09:14:48] | KungFuJesus: | which is what you implied |
| [09:14:55] | KungFuJesus: | fully bidirectional |
| [09:15:04] | wagnerrp: | and they did have no filtering until mid '02 |
| [09:15:12] | wagnerrp: | ... man, ive been there a long time |
| [09:15:16] | wagnerrp: | i need to finish up |
| [09:15:30] | KungFuJesus: | Who could possible think that was a good idea? |
| [09:15:33] | KungFuJesus: | possibly* |
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| [09:15:47] | loki_666: | hi |
| [09:16:41] | KungFuJesus: | I don't think it's 1:1 NAT now, though. Most of campus shares 1 or two public IPs |
| [09:17:14] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive actually checked |
| [09:17:18] | KungFuJesus: | we have 1:1 NAT on pohl with a couple of ports opened on the firewall. Two to be precise |
| [09:17:28] | KungFuJesus: | 22 and 80 |
| [09:17:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, same with the machines i have shell on |
| [09:18:23] | loki_666: | with dvb, i'having an issu for a specific channel; it seems there is 2 audio streams, but only one seems valid and of course by default mythtv select the wrong one when tuning this channel |
| [09:18:25] | KungFuJesus: | don't think pohl's traffic is shaped, either |
| [09:18:28] | wagnerrp: | one with root, one i wish i had root so i could fix all the annoying apache issues myself |
| [09:18:43] | loki_666: | is there a way to tell mythtv to remember which stream to use when tunning? |
| [09:18:51] | KungFuJesus: | I've got root to all 25 or so of the boxes in the larc office |
| [09:18:52] | KungFuJesus: | lol |
| [09:19:20] | wagnerrp: | im just talking about machines available externally |
| [09:19:26] | KungFuJesus: | yeah I know what you mean |
| [09:19:35] | wagnerrp: | theres a dozen or so more i can get into |
| [09:19:46] | KungFuJesus: | the forums are actually hosted on landfill.rhod.uc.edu |
| [09:19:53] | KungFuJesus: | as is the wiki which isn't done yet |
| [09:20:04] | wagnerrp: | well technically, theres three whole clusters i have access to |
| [09:20:24] | wagnerrp: | but only one of them is online, and then only by running through multiple machines |
| [09:20:26] | KungFuJesus: | they revoked everybody's access to the beowolf just about, mainly because administration is filled with morons |
| [09:20:33] | KungFuJesus: | any student who could have used it can't now |
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| [09:21:26] | KungFuJesus: | we have our own cluster, albeit a crappy dual PII cluster |
| [09:21:42] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: THey don't honor a per-directory .htaccess? |
| [09:21:57] | KungFuJesus: | UC's first beowolf to be precise. We inherited it :-p. Even has a myrinet switch (although it only works with kernel 2.4) |
| [09:22:02] | Dagmar: | Probably too many incidents of dumbass code |
| [09:22:22] | KungFuJesus: | Dagmar: no, nobody abused or brought down the cluster |
| [09:22:39] | Dagmar: | That's nice. I wasn't talking about any cluster. |
| [09:22:42] | KungFuJesus: | although I know somebody specifically who managed to take down all of UC filespace with that ridiculous kernel bug in OS X, lol |
| [09:22:44] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: it was some issue with php |
| [09:22:47] | loki_666: | isn't there some other irc #channels for that kind of discussion? |
| [09:22:54] | Dagmar: | As early as last year we had to yank some idiots self-authored HTTP upload script |
| [09:23:03] | wagnerrp: | loki_666: yeah.... very off topic, but the channel was empty |
| [09:23:30] | Dagmar: | There's no way to pre-select an audio stream that I'm aware of |
| [09:23:39] | wagnerrp: | certainly not for a specific file |
| [09:23:48] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know how to set a default language for audio, even |
| [09:23:53] | KungFuJesus: | loki_666: you're the first person on a dvb broadcast I know of that receives two audio streams |
| [09:24:09] | wagnerrp: | KungFuJesus: happens fairly often in not-US |
| [09:24:12] | loki_666: | KungFuJesus, your kidding? |
| [09:24:26] | KungFuJesus: | nope |
| [09:24:43] | KungFuJesus: | I wish I did, CBS here locally doesn't broadcast in 5.1 like they should |
| [09:25:06] | loki_666: | well i'll post on the mailing list so |
| [09:25:41] | wagnerrp: | KungFuJesus: what bitrates do you see from local stations? |
| [09:26:04] | wagnerrp: | pulling over insight/qam, im only getting like 12–14mbps |
| [09:26:05] | KungFuJesus: | ah I can't remember where to find that. I think I found it once using dvbtools |
| [09:26:16] | loki_666: | an other issue, since i switched to dvb, (was on pvr-150) i often ends with zero length recording in my livetv directory |
| [09:26:16] | wagnerrp: | and ive seen some as pathetically low as 8mbps |
| [09:26:17] | KungFuJesus: | I'm 100% OTA, don't use cable |
| [09:26:31] | wagnerrp: | thats why im asking, wondering if insight is screwing me over |
| [09:26:38] | loki_666: | sometime they get auto expired, but some times they dont |
| [09:26:41] | Dagmar: | Probably |
| [09:26:58] | KungFuJesus: | ah, well let me find the average bitrate |
| [09:26:59] | KungFuJesus: | one sec |
| [09:27:03] | wagnerrp: | loki_666: often that can mean you were trying to record on a empty or non-existent channel |
| [09:27:13] | wagnerrp: | whatever the cause, mythtv failed to record |
| [09:27:18] | wagnerrp: | and that 0B file is the result |
| [09:27:25] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: What comcast pumps out here for QVC would barely strain a standard definition stream |
| [09:27:39] | loki_666: | well live tv works, no problem, it just create a zero length file, the it create the real file |
| [09:28:02] | KungFuJesus: | my average bitrate is about 12mbps, my max is 21 |
| [09:28:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean average over a total show |
| [09:28:39] | KungFuJesus: | for an HD show or non-HD? |
| [09:28:50] | wagnerrp: | like my half hour shows are generally only 3GB |
| [09:28:54] | wagnerrp: | roughly 12.5mbps |
| [09:28:59] | KungFuJesus: | haha, mine are huge |
| [09:29:15] | wagnerrp: | 2GB after being clipped |
| [09:30:18] | wagnerrp: | and ive got one pathetic 2hr show (5106 seconds) managing a meager 3.9GB |
| [09:31:12] | Dagmar: | Them bits cost money, ya know! |
| [09:31:14] | KungFuJesus: | scrubs, 720p content from abc, is...3.3GB |
| [09:31:55] | KungFuJesus: | now 1080i content...let's see, a 2hr heroes is: 14GB |
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| [09:32:50] | KungFuJesus: | I don't edit them like I ought to, even a compressionless transcode I'm too lazy to do, involves checking to make sure commercial flagging went 100% well (which it usually doesn't all the time) |
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| [09:33:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my heroes last night was 11.3GB |
| [09:33:16] | wagnerrp: | seems im taking it over the barrel |
| [09:33:21] | wagnerrp: | thanks insight! |
| [09:33:33] | KungFuJesus: | lol, yeah, they're applying some sort of compression |
| [09:33:53] | Dagmar: | Well, the smaller they compress the streams, the more bandwidth they reserve for the _high-paying_ customers who are watching PPV and on-demand content |
| [09:34:19] | KungFuJesus: | wagnerrp: is your insight unencrypted? |
| [09:34:24] | Dagmar: | You still pay the same whether they give you 10m/s or 2m/s |
| [09:34:29] | wagnerrp: | KungFuJesus: just the locals |
| [09:34:34] | KungFuJesus: | figured, yeah |
| [09:34:41] | KungFuJesus: | buy an antenna, man |
| [09:34:51] | KungFuJesus: | and use an RF modulator or another tuner |
| [09:34:54] | Dagmar: | Men don't buy antennas |
| [09:35:00] | KungFuJesus: | build one, then |
| [09:35:07] | Dagmar: | They take a bit of wire and make one |
| [09:35:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, did that, got disappointing performance out of it |
| [09:35:25] | KungFuJesus: | using the open source schematic. I considered it, but you have to be very precise with it |
| [09:35:27] | wagnerrp: | must have done it wrong |
| [09:35:34] | Dagmar: | You did it too manly. |
| [09:35:38] | KungFuJesus: | lol |
| [09:35:49] | KungFuJesus: | mine's on my roof, which probably helps the most |
| [09:35:50] | Dagmar: | You can't just go "My this is an incredibly long piece of wire! It must be manly!" |
| [09:36:26] | Dagmar: | It's got to be a specific lenght, augmented by other bits of of the wire connected to it at simple angles and of complementary lengths |
| [09:36:30] | wagnerrp: | i got about double the signal as i did out of a pair of standard bunny ears |
| [09:36:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning roughly the same performance considering i had to split it for my HDHR |
| [09:37:05] | Dagmar: | It's bonus points if you then take this wire and embed it in the back of a large bikini model poster in a cheap plastic frame |
| [09:37:22] | wagnerrp: | part of that may be because i used the same cheapo balun that came with the bunny ears |
| [09:37:38] | Dagmar: | Made from recycled cans of chinese beer? |
| [09:37:45] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [09:37:50] | KungFuJesus: | I've never had cable, never wanted it |
| [09:37:53] | Dagmar: | Oh get this |
| [09:38:02] | wagnerrp: | you know, radio shack doesnt even carry those anymore |
| [09:38:04] | Dagmar: | Turns out the installer guy screwed me over a bit right in front of my nose |
| [09:38:30] | Dagmar: | He put a "cap" on the unused connection of my three-way splitter |
| [09:38:39] | Dagmar: | Some people would call this a "lock". |
| [09:38:42] | KungFuJesus: | wagnerrp: yeah, had to order mine from the internet. It's omni directional, I would have been better off with two directionals and an rf combiner |
| [09:38:51] | Dagmar: | I called it "short work for the rotary cutter" |
| [09:39:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got a ~30deg spread for the channels i want |
| [09:39:38] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: it was actually something you couldnt remove? |
| [09:39:53] | Dagmar: | No, it was something people weren't supposed to be able to remove |
| [09:40:08] | Dagmar: | It's a silver tube that pretty much requires an inverted T key |
| [09:40:16] | wagnerrp: | i mean ive got a couple of those, but i was under the impression it was something you should have on any open ports, to 'maintain the shield' or some sort |
| [09:40:19] | Dagmar: | I actually have the proper tool to remove the thing somewhere |
| [09:40:36] | wagnerrp: | but theyre just a little plug threaded onto the jack |
| [09:40:40] | wagnerrp: | i could pull it off by hand |
| [09:40:51] | Dagmar: | Maintain what shield? You can pretty much just put a bit of electrical tape over the tip, and then wrap the entire end in tinfoil. Same effect |
| [09:41:12] | Dagmar: | No this had a piece inside it that fit the threads on the connector very tightly. |
| [09:41:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont know what they put them on for, but it certainly wasnt security reasons |
| [09:41:28] | Dagmar: | So you could spin the shiny barrel but couldn't remove it without the tool |
| [09:41:47] | Dagmar: | They also shatter nicely |
| [09:42:51] | Dagmar: | I was a little miffed because the coax from the demarc point outside here is entirely nice durable RG6 |
| [09:43:29] | KungFuJesus: | I still want to know how a tiny .NET developer in Danville that writes useless applications managed to be the entire backbone for mythmovies |
| [09:43:31] | Dagmar: | After the "animal peeing on the distribution amp" incident, I just went and replaced all the coax |
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| [09:44:15] | wagnerrp: | better than a bird dropping a bit of bread and overheating your supercollider |
| [09:44:24] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [09:44:30] | KungFuJesus: | I run quad shielded RG6 from my antenna, I still suffered from time to time by my neighbor's ham radio tower |
| [09:44:35] | KungFuJesus: | I was so glad when that fucker moved |
| [09:44:38] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [09:44:50] | wagnerrp: | watch the language, that will get you kicked |
| [09:44:53] | KungFuJesus: | oops |
| [09:45:12] | KungFuJesus: | I just wanted to blast him with so much radio noise |
| [09:45:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i used to pick up traffic on my speakers in my apartment near campus |
| [09:45:43] | KungFuJesus: | I'd hear his conversations in ANY unshielded wire, it was annoying as hell |
| [09:45:59] | wagnerrp: | never did figure out if it was the HAM down the street, or the medevac landing path overhead |
| [09:46:28] | KungFuJesus: | I may mess around with software radio once this GSM decryption thing really takes off. Of course I fear the feds :-p |
| [09:46:44] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: So the thing to do there is to go find another ham |
| [09:46:47] | Elwell: | wagnerrp: yeah, we're now banning all baguettes within a 10km radius :-) |
| [09:46:52] | Dagmar: | One who knows how to work an oscilliscope. |
| [09:47:24] | Dagmar: | ...and then you say to them, "I think my neighbor's amplifier is improperly choked." |
| [09:47:32] | KungFuJesus: | Dagmar: I'm a computer engineering student, I've used the oscilliscope on many ocassions |
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| [09:48:21] | Dagmar: | So then you should be able to use one to determine how clean the guy's signal is |
| [09:48:38] | Dagmar: | Honestly, a properly modulated signal shouldn't just come in like that over any old piece of wire |
| [09:48:40] | KungFuJesus: | and then tell teh FCC? |
| [09:48:57] | Dagmar: | I'd say you could probably embarras the guy into fixing his junk |
| [09:49:04] | KungFuJesus: | he doesn't have the regular amateur one, he has the one that lets him do several watts |
| [09:49:10] | Dagmar: | I've never known a ham who wasn't completely anal about their broadcasts |
| [09:49:25] | KungFuJesus: | let me find his FCC license, one sec |
| [09:49:42] | KungFuJesus: | he moved, so the problem is no longer present, but it drove me crazy |
| [09:50:35] | wagnerrp: | strap a magnatron to a horn, point it at his antenna, and turn it on whenever you hear him start talking |
| [09:50:41] | KungFuJesus: | http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/lic . . . icKey=696605 |
| [09:50:50] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, he's the "amateur extra" |
| [09:51:37] | KungFuJesus: | haha, I just realized that I basically revealed where I lived :( |
| [09:51:50] | Dagmar: | Man like I care |
| [09:52:04] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, but it's going to be on gossamer threads forever |
| [09:52:06] | Dagmar: | ...although that'll be in Google tomorrow. |
| [09:52:10] | KungFuJesus: | yep |
| [09:52:12] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [09:52:20] | sid3windr: | not gossamer threads |
| [09:52:22] | Dagmar: | "the internet" won't really care |
| [09:52:23] | sid3windr: | this is irc not mailinglist :p |
| [09:52:30] | wagnerrp: | you dont have your address masked |
| [09:52:33] | Dagmar: | Someone from there probably lives just down the street from you anyway |
| [09:52:44] | wagnerrp: | geoaddressing databases will already have you within a few blocks |
| [09:52:45] | KungFuJesus: | haha, almsot |
| [09:53:44] | wagnerrp: | it always amuses me how closely they get on some of those ads |
| [09:54:11] | KungFuJesus: | mine always say ft thomas strangely, but I'm not THAT close to ft. thomas |
| [09:54:30] | KungFuJesus: | my routers are just ft thomas apparently :-p |
| [09:54:47] | wagnerrp: | well then.... apparently i just happen to be the only one theyre actually right for |
| [09:55:05] | KungFuJesus: | haha, yeah. Maybe you live really close to their hub |
| [09:55:27] | KungFuJesus: | jesus it's 4:55 in the morning, what am I doing up? |
| [09:55:51] | wagnerrp: | i sat down to write some code about four hours ago |
| [09:55:56] | wagnerrp: | ive got about as many lines written |
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| [09:56:17] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, irc is not the best place to be when coding |
| [09:56:51] | KungFuJesus: | except when you're stuck, then it's the only place to be. because internet friends are the only friends up at 5 in the morning to help you figure out what you're calling wrong in your undocumented API you're using |
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| [09:58:41] | KungFuJesus: | dbus+HAL+perl = mess. Most poorly documented API I've ever used |
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| [10:03:31] | KungFuJesus: | anyway, I'll talk to you fellows later |
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| [10:19:49] | Elwell: | hmm – just noticed I get a daily segfault in mythfilldatabase |
| [10:19:50] | Elwell: | mythfilldatabas[6029]: segfault at 21042444 ip 0678af3c sp b6d36ca0 error 4 in libmythdb-0.22.so.0.22.0[6754000+97000] |
| [10:21:22] | stuarta: | any chance you could try to track it down? |
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| [10:21:34] | stuarta: | install the debug symbols and run it manually? |
| [10:23:13] | Elwell: | yeah probably |
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| [10:23:26] | ** Elwell starts hunting for more details ** | |
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| [10:27:46] | Elwell: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2010-01–06 04:44 and ended on 2010-01–06 04:46. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 256. |
| [10:28:16] | Elwell: | and yet, 'There's guide data until 2010-01–27 06:00 (21 days).' |
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| [10:44:04] | Elwell: | lozarythmic: ping – did you get anywhere with renaming your mkvs? |
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| [10:52:01] | ** justinh is knackered from digging his car out ** | |
| [10:53:37] | justinh: | least there's no more snow forecast here til the weekend :) |
| [10:53:47] | gbee: | wasn't that deep here, maybe a couple of inches |
| [10:54:08] | gbee: | and that was last night, it's melted a lot since then |
| [10:54:27] | stuarta: | still snowing here \o/ |
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| [10:54:52] | justinh: | we've had 8 inches all told |
| [10:55:02] | justinh: | cars getting stuck on our road left right & centre |
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| [10:56:20] | justinh: | pity it's buggered up my holiday days. had all kinds planned. All of which involved going by car |
| [10:56:29] | stuarta: | doh |
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| [10:57:15] | justinh: | well, plenty more days left |
| [10:58:43] | justinh: | oh bum. snowing again |
| [11:00:50] | pheld: | 37 below, brrrrr. That's worse than the snow (only 110cm here). I'd take -5 and a bit more snow any day ;) |
| [11:01:40] | justinh: | pheld: aye well, we've not seen the likes of this for a very long time. plus southerners are soft & abandon their cars when there's 3 inches on the road |
| [11:03:36] | gbee: | sounds like the snow we had in Rawtenstall when I was a kid |
| [11:03:42] | pheld: | You'd be surprised to se the chaos even here in scandinavia when the first snow falls |
| [11:03:59] | justinh: | ffs bbc news is saying stuff like "20 centimetres of snow" then showing video of cars sliding around in an inch of snow |
| [11:04:42] | justinh: | gbee: yeah we had that in consett in the late 70s & early 80s. those were the days |
| [11:04:59] | justinh: | prolly not as bad as where you were though |
| [11:05:16] | justinh: | but I remember a drift which reached our roof on the gable end of our house :) |
| [11:05:20] | gbee: | to be honest the chaos here is perfectly understandable, snow is not the norm here and it's just a few days a year, the huge financial investment required to deal with it properly just isn't justified |
| [11:05:56] | ** Elwell gave the kids a bollocking for leaving the snowshovel lying in the garden yesterday ** | |
| [11:06:07] | justinh: | I need one of them |
| [11:06:14] | gbee: | ... underneath the snow ;) |
| [11:06:18] | Elwell: | if it dumped overnight I'd not have dound it |
| [11:06:23] | Elwell: | found |
| [11:06:42] | justinh: | we only have a heavy spade & a flimsy thin shovel here. made clearing it very hard graft |
| [11:06:43] | stuarta: | send them out to find it :) |
| [11:07:04] | justinh: | heheh you lose it, you dig with your bare hands! Muhahahahaha </evilparent> |
| [11:07:56] | stuarta: | yup, that'll learn em |
| [11:07:58] | gbee: | bless the North Atlantic Drift, without it we'd be several feet under the snow |
| [11:08:13] | stuarta: | i would quite like several feet of snow |
| [11:08:28] | stuarta: | makes the cold weather justifiable |
| [11:08:39] | stuarta: | i mean, what's the point of cold and rainy? |
| [11:08:47] | stuarta: | cold and snowy is much better :) |
| [11:09:52] | gbee: | I'd like to experience it in this country, but I recognise the problems it causes for some |
| [11:10:32] | justinh: | methinks we'll all get much more used to this :) |
| [11:10:40] | justinh: | blimmin hope so anyway |
| [11:11:06] | justinh: | and juuust wait til it all melts. Flood! |
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| [11:11:41] | justinh: | well, time to get cracking again |
| [11:12:40] | Dibblah: | Argh. Order cat5e cable (not marked as CCA, store sells CCA) and get the cheap rubbish. Joy. |
| [11:13:04] | gbee: | we're further north than most of the big Canadian cities, but we have less ice and snow than places like New York which are over 1000 miles south |
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| [11:15:57] | Fatboy: | HI, I have two questions : |
| [11:16:09] | Beatbreaker: | hi i can't get my frontend to work. i know it's working though because the frontned on the backend works, here's some output: |
| [11:16:09] | Beatbreaker: | http://pastebin.com/m4e096ed4 |
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| [11:16:48] | _kopsu_: | Hey, any idea how to change buffering settings for upnp feature in 0.22? |
| [11:16:59] | _kopsu_: | I'm using mythtv as upnp server for ps3. |
| [11:17:11] | Fatboy: | I cant get my epg to work, Im using comehm in sweden and I want to get information about what tv show is on when i change chanel , how do I configure that ? (hope u know what i mean) |
| [11:17:12] | _kopsu_: | videos and recordings playback fine but mp3 playback is choppy, seems like buffering problem. |
| [11:17:43] | Beatbreaker: | i'm sorry i can't really help much, i've got quite a few problems of my own |
| [11:17:43] | Beatbreaker: | i'm sorry i can't really help much i've got a problem of my own i can't lick |
| [11:19:48] | Fatboy: | anyone plz or just point me in the right direction :) |
| [11:20:13] | Beatbreaker: | my router is 192.168.1.254, does that have anything to do with it? |
| [11:22:09] | Fatboy: | my second question : can I change the order on the frontend so when I start the first option is "watch TV" ? |
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| [11:26:21] | _kopsu_: | any "experts" knowing mythtv upnp here? |
| [11:27:06] | stuarta: | _kopsu_: i don't think you can tune what you want |
| [11:27:16] | stuarta: | might need to delve into the source |
| [11:28:36] | _kopsu_: | ok, i thought so... so i have to get svn version and find proper place from libmythupnp or something |
| [11:29:00] | _kopsu_: | and tune that and compile whole thing after that |
| [11:33:21] | _kopsu_: | stuarta where i can leave feature request? ;-) |
| [11:33:31] | stuarta: | wiki |
| [11:33:42] | _kopsu_: | ah.. ok. |
| [11:34:01] | stuarta: | don't bother to put them in trac. it'll get closed as a feature request without patch |
| [11:34:11] | _kopsu_: | ok |
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| [11:40:28] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: what's cca? corrections corporation of america? |
| [11:41:24] | jst: | Is there any way to adjust the playback buffer? I have to use 802.11n and playback stutters frequently. |
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| [11:42:39] | Beatbreaker: | Hi, i've got a frontend that's complaining about the backend time being differnt, how do i stop that? |
| [11:42:57] | gbee: | correct the time and timezones on both machines |
| [11:43:18] | _kopsu_: | jst, you got almost same problem |
| [11:43:33] | _kopsu_: | but mine is related to upnp.. :( |
| [11:43:41] | Beatbreaker: | i just changed the date and time and there's no difference |
| [11:44:07] | Beatbreaker: | i don't know how to make them identical but they're probably a second or two between eachother |
| [11:44:13] | gbee: | AndyCap: Copper Clad Aluminum |
| [11:44:15] | jst: | _kopsu_: What's wrong with your connection? |
| [11:44:38] | _kopsu_: | jst connection is fine i think but the buffering needs to be fine tuned... |
| [11:44:56] | Beatbreaker: | i wouldn't know how to fix or change the UTC stuff, |
| [11:44:57] | jst: | Yeah... from what I'm reading, it doesn't seem like it's possible. |
| [11:45:08] | Beatbreaker: | anymore ideas? |
| [11:45:15] | gbee: | Beatbreaker: it won't complain unless they are a minute or two out, maybe even 5 minutes ... but if the timezones are different e.g. GMT+1 vs BST then it will complain |
| [11:46:32] | jst: | A wireless buffer would be great... I get decent throughput, but interference is ruining it for me. :) |
| [11:46:35] | Beatbreaker: | diff timezones huh |
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| [11:47:57] | gbee: | so much for n being less prone to interference |
| [11:48:43] | jst: | I'm moving in a few weeks, so it makes no sense to run wires here. I don't care if I have to run them outside through windows in my next place... I am never relying on wireless again. |
| [11:49:11] | jst: | So is that it? No adjustable buffer size for MythTV? |
| [11:49:21] | gbee: | I came to the same decision last week, fed up with wireless and plan to somehow run wires |
| [11:49:29] | gbee: | no adjustable buffer |
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| [11:49:42] | jst: | gbee: Thanks. |
| [11:49:48] | gbee: | although one of the devs wants to implement an automatic scaling buffer |
| [11:50:25] | stuarta: | gbee: there's a patch around that might help |
| [11:50:43] | stuarta: | 7793 |
| [11:50:55] | gbee: | the problem with offering a user controlled buffer is that most people wouldn't know what they were doing, we'd see a lot of bug reports from people who have scaled it to low or too high |
| [11:53:47] | jst: | stuarta: Do you have a link for it? Is the patch related to issue 7793? |
| [11:54:28] | gbee: | I'm not convinced it will help jst, writestringlist isn't used for playback |
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| [11:54:36] | stuarta: | jst: the patch is on the ticket |
| [11:54:46] | og01: | I've been looking for a solution for a while online – but havnt seen anybody with the same problem – I've been using mythtv on ubuntu for about 6 months without issue, until recently I have had a number of recrdings not working correctly. I keep getting "The file for this recording can not be found" on several of my recent recordings. I have a dual Haupagge T500 tuner card it has been/is working fine. Watching LiveTv works fine, yester |
| [11:54:58] | stuarta: | dunno if it fixes what you were talking about, i've not been paying attention |
| [11:55:06] | gbee: | it's mostly used for transfer of serialised programinfo objects |
| [11:55:07] | og01: | I've got logs, im just trying to find the relevent section to pastebin |
| [11:55:22] | Fatboy: | I feel that i asked in the wrong channel, is there a channel for noob questions ? |
| [11:55:26] | gbee: | og01: 0.22 or trunk? |
| [11:55:30] | og01: | 0.22 |
| [11:56:05] | og01: | i used the package from ubuntu |
| [11:56:12] | gbee: | Fatboy: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 – edit mainmenu.xml (locate mainmenu.xml) |
| [11:56:59] | og01: | the only thing i've done recently is install xbmc, but im not using the builtin mythtv plugin for it |
| [11:57:06] | ** og01 looks for logs ** | |
| [11:57:28] | gbee: | Fatboy: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 – sounds like you need to install, setup and configure xmltv |
| [11:57:43] | gbee: | og01: which kernel? |
| [11:57:56] | Fatboy: | oki tnx I have alook |
| [11:57:58] | Fatboy: | :) |
| [11:58:35] | jst: | Fatboy: Do you have problems deleting recordings (i.e., you tell MythTV to delete a recording, it says it's delete, but when you go back to Watch Recordings, the recording is still showing up?) |
| [11:58:39] | gbee: | the Nova-T 500 used to have a lot of problems with the driver |
| [11:58:45] | gbee: | well, still does |
| [11:58:59] | Fatboy: | I havent recorded anything |
| [11:59:07] | og01: | gbee: 2.6.28-15-generic x86_64 |
| [11:59:08] | justinh: | if you watch, you're recording |
| [11:59:16] | Fatboy: | oh |
| [11:59:24] | Fatboy: | ok then I record |
| [11:59:35] | Fatboy: | Im using it now |
| [11:59:59] | Fatboy: | I will go back to main menu and check recordings |
| [12:00:02] | Fatboy: | hang on |
| [12:00:22] | og01: | gbee: yeah im familiar with those problems, everything works smoothly now, every couple of weeks i get an error in dmesg and i have to reload the driver and everything works again |
| [12:00:30] | justinh: | ow. fingers are hurting. this cliff I'm hanging onto is high |
| [12:00:32] | og01: | gbee: im not seeing that here though |
| [12:00:54] | gbee: | og01: have you got "options dvb-usb disable_rc_polling=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| [12:01:04] | Fatboy: | <jst> it says Unknown on all recordings and I cant delet them |
| [12:01:49] | gbee: | og01: I'm seeing the same issue, with a different card, but only with trunk (known issue) |
| [12:02:36] | justinh: | Fatboy: look in your backend log |
| [12:02:38] | og01: | gbee: no i havnt that option, i added a different option as sujested on the mythtv wiki: dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1 |
| [12:02:57] | Fatboy: | <justinh> sorry ...but how do I do that :S |
| [12:02:58] | gbee: | you want both |
| [12:03:11] | og01: | gbee: i'll add it now |
| [12:03:17] | justinh: | silicon tuners with an optional Low Noise Amplifier.. wth is the *point* when they *rely* on it? ;-) |
| [12:03:26] | justinh: | Fatboy: less of the :S |
| [12:03:34] | gbee: | the new one avoids a recent bug added to the driver |
| [12:03:45] | justinh: | Fatboy: where the log lives depends on your distro & how it runs the backend daemon |
| [12:03:57] | justinh: | Fatboy: generally /var/log is the first place to look |
| [12:03:59] | og01: | gbee: what does the option do? |
| [12:04:05] | Fatboy: | oki I have installed it on xbmc live |
| [12:04:08] | Fatboy: | ok I have a look |
| [12:04:10] | justinh: | e.g. /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [12:04:12] | og01: | gbee: doesnt disable the controler or anything does it |
| [12:04:14] | gbee: | justinh: it's stupid, I can't persuade the driver devs to enable it by default (*#!*@$) |
| [12:04:49] | justinh: | unless people live next door to a transmitter mast most silicon tuners need to enable the low noise amp |
| [12:05:11] | justinh: | and even if they did, the AGC of the tuner should be able to cope |
| [12:05:18] | justinh: | (automatic gain control) |
| [12:05:32] | Fatboy: | <justinh> I found it , do youwant me to past it (pastbin) |
| [12:05:43] | gbee: | nor can I get the distro devs to insert that option by default, little pigged off with the stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality I keep encountering on the issue |
| [12:05:48] | justinh: | nobody can look at it otherwise, Fatboy |
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| [12:06:04] | og01: | gbee: but my issue only started a few days ago, and i've been using mythtv without problem for months |
| [12:06:28] | justinh: | og01: as drivers are refined, things can regress ;-) |
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| [12:06:53] | og01: | justinh: i've not been updating my system |
| [12:06:57] | justinh: | like they take out catch-all defaults & implement module options. and if you don't know about em.. ding ding |
| [12:07:12] | Fatboy: | there it is http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1740042 |
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| [12:08:03] | justinh: | Fatboy: looks like your backend hostname is the same as the frontend's hostname, hence mythtv thinks the file is local & isn't trying to stream it |
| [12:08:56] | og01: | justinh: gbee: i'll try the new module option, – however i have to wait for my gf to come back and watch some livetv i've paused (of guilmore girls) shes already gone mad over missing a couple of episodes |
| [12:08:57] | justinh: | are you using XBMC as the frontend? if so, that isn't a supported configuration |
| [12:09:07] | justinh: | Fatboy: ^^^ |
| [12:09:23] | Fatboy: | no when I use mythtv xbmc is "dead" |
| [12:09:31] | Fatboy: | I use mythtvfront end |
| [12:09:48] | justinh: | right. so looks like what I said |
| [12:09:59] | justinh: | if it's all on the same machine you've got some more explaining to do |
| [12:10:42] | Fatboy: | yes it is on the same pc |
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| [12:10:52] | Fatboy: | is that not ok to do it like that |
| [12:10:55] | Fatboy: | ? |
| [12:11:16] | justinh: | yeah should be fine |
| [12:11:29] | Fatboy: | this is when I cahnge channel http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1740048 |
| [12:11:58] | justinh: | but what's happening is that mythbackend can't find a number of files – that generally only happens when hostnames are screwed up |
| [12:12:17] | Fatboy: | hmm ok |
| [12:12:32] | Fatboy: | do you have an ide how I can fix it ? |
| [12:12:43] | justinh: | never seen this before when it's all on the same machine |
| [12:12:52] | Fatboy: | ok |
| [12:13:04] | justinh: | it might still be a simple file permissions issue though |
| [12:13:29] | justinh: | like your recordings directory used for the default storage group is writable but older files aren't read/writeable |
| [12:13:46] | Fatboy: | hmm ok |
| [12:14:53] | justinh: | ls -al /var/lib/mythtv/livetv & have a look |
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| [12:15:41] | Fatboy: | tnx |
| [12:16:31] | Fatboy: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1740051 |
| [12:16:36] | Fatboy: | the resault |
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| [12:27:57] | gbee: | justinh: or it's just failing to record |
| [12:28:09] | justinh: | oops yeah or that |
| [12:28:45] | justinh: | 0 byte files. 376 byte files.. hrm |
| [12:31:59] | justinh: | yeah that would generally indicate a problem with the tuner device |
| [12:32:10] | Fatboy: | I got a lot of this http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1740061 |
| [12:32:52] | Fatboy: | ok, but it works fine to watch TV but record and "epg" dont work |
| [12:33:32] | justinh: | you've not got any EPG data is why |
| [12:34:20] | justinh: | ARGHHH ****ing BBC Sign Zone! |
| [12:34:36] | Fatboy: | ? |
| [12:35:04] | stuarta: | haha. got a recording with the little man in the corner? |
| [12:35:19] | justinh: | yeah those irritating ravey davey gravy types.. Bah! |
| [12:35:38] | Dibblah: | justinh: BTW, I've seen positive things said about your menu button change. Looks like a plan to me... |
| [12:35:47] | justinh: | woot |
| [12:36:12] | justinh: | though to be fair I know at least two people with influence who liked the idea from the start :) |
| [12:36:58] | justinh: | did anybody ever get anywhere with using the 'signed' EPG flag? tempted to put that on the great list of mine |
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| [12:38:09] | Dibblah: | AFAIR, it doesn't exist in tv_grab_uk_rt |
| [12:39:07] | stuarta: | i thought we implemented it |
| [12:39:26] | justinh: | hmm I thought knowledgejunkie had persuaded the powers that be @ radiotimes to put it on the feed |
| [12:39:44] | _ben: | the BBC should have a separate channel for signzone type stuff |
| [12:39:49] | justinh: | true |
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| [12:40:30] | justinh: | though maybe it's not that much of an intrusion really |
| [12:40:45] | _ben: | what did you record anyway? |
| [12:40:50] | justinh: | but hey, they could always make room by boshing a shopping channel on the head |
| [12:40:57] | _ben: | can't have been anything good at stupid o` clock :p |
| [12:41:11] | justinh: | alexander armstrong's great british holiday |
| [12:41:18] | justinh: | something to fill time |
| [12:42:30] | justinh: | got a few Horizons saved up |
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| [12:45:10] | Fatboy: | <justinh> I read some stuff online ..can it be that Im having truble to do "mythfilldatabase" ? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1740075 |
| [12:48:33] | Elwell: | hmm – I'm confused re storage groups – These days I don't need to explicitly export (and mount) backend to frontend via NFS? |
| [12:49:00] | Elwell: | but what about (non-myth) video files? |
| [12:49:15] | Elwell: | ie mythvideo – and mythweb+mythvideo |
| [12:50:01] | oobe: | iamlindoro, someone made a patch for this ticket http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7322 will it be applied to fixes one day? |
| [12:55:09] | justinh: | whoah! low rumble from above... loads of snow just fell off our roof |
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| [13:12:18] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuartm | |
| [13:12:43] | ** mzb runs outside to look at the pile of snow that's fallen on justinh ** | |
| [13:14:14] | Elwell: | right folks, I'm filling in my 1st ever entry to thetvdb – (I know its a bit OT) – is there a field to include the BBC iplayer programme ID? |
| [13:16:34] | stuartm: | doubt it, can you imagine how many hundreds of fields they'd have to include for all the different services worldwide? |
| [13:17:46] | ** mzb calls an ambulance for justinh ** | |
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| [13:20:56] | ** mzb sells justinh's wife, house and car to pay for justinh's crushing injuries ** | |
| [13:25:05] | ** mzb accepts the <7 day refund on aforesaid items due to customer dissatisfaction ... although they look (more) used ** | |
| [13:25:41] | ** mzb gives up selling pre-deceased estates due to lack of profit ** | |
| [13:25:48] | Elwell: | I'll take the myth hardware – there's likely to be a minor chance they'll be working |
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| [13:31:50] | justinh: | path is clear again. no more snow on the roof :) |
| [13:33:00] | ** mzb hides his snow shovel ** | |
| [13:36:36] | ** patdk-wk is still not impressed with vdpau ** | |
| [13:36:50] | justinh: | join the club :) |
| [13:37:18] | patdk-wk: | heh, was talking with someone last week in here, dagmar I think |
| [13:37:18] | justinh: | it'll be like xvmc was. great in some situations for some people. less so for others |
| [13:37:33] | patdk-wk: | and said 9800gt wasn't supported good, and the gt220 would be much better |
| [13:37:48] | patdk-wk: | both messup the same for me, on a collection of video's |
| [13:38:31] | patdk-wk: | hell, the mpeg feed from my hvr-1600 for sd, paused for about 5seconds every 5min, annoying |
| [13:38:32] | justinh: | there'll never be anything better than software decoding. deinterlacing in hardware however.. miles ahead of software in mythtv according to some. Me, I'd be happy enough with software doing it all if the CPU can cope :) |
| [13:38:50] | justinh: | patdk-wk: tried disabling cpu freq scaling? |
| [13:39:03] | patdk-wk: | my ocmputer doesn't support cpu scaling :) |
| [13:39:10] | justinh: | oh dear |
| [13:39:52] | justinh: | then it's likely something else causing a usage spike :) |
| [13:40:37] | patdk-wk: | no idea what, it sits at 5% usage for a single core |
| [13:40:49] | patdk-wk: | dunno what would happen that would cause enough of a spike to totally kill it |
| [13:41:37] | ** patdk-wk wonders if he can use software decoding, and hardware deinterlacing ** | |
| [13:43:32] | patdk-wk: | vdpau does work good, it's just random mpeg artifacts that really annoy me :( or maybe it's just on h264, I know on the 9800gt both did, but I only test h264 on the gt220 so far |
| [13:44:35] | justinh: | if your cpu doesn't support scaling I doubt it'll cope with decoding HD on its own |
| [13:44:53] | patdk-wk: | it's a dualcore 2.8 |
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| [13:45:02] | patdk-wk: | intel |
| [13:45:03] | justinh: | no scaling on that? |
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| [13:45:10] | patdk-wk: | it's not a core2 |
| [13:45:18] | justinh: | if the h.264 is sliced it might be fine |
| [13:45:37] | justinh: | but if it's been encoded by a retard on the interweb somewhere.. chances are it won't be sliced |
| [13:45:38] | loki_666: | my vdpau works very well for SD content from dvb-c, and very very well for my HD content with mplayer |
| [13:45:51] | loki_666: | im on a 8400gs with 256mb |
| [13:46:54] | loki_666: | in live-tv sometime i'm having artifacts, but it was worth with the stream coming out my pvr-150 |
| [13:47:22] | loki_666: | i meant worse |
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| [13:47:38] | justinh: | maybe it's broken then :) |
| [13:48:12] | patdk-wk: | the nvidia card does like my tv much better though :) |
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| [13:48:48] | patdk-wk: | I was using the built in intel card before I attempted playing with vdpau |
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| [14:28:35] | lexje: | Hi folks |
| [14:31:43] | oobe: | hi lexje |
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| [14:42:14] | stuartm: | vpdau doesn't handle stream errors nearly as well as software decoding |
| [14:42:32] | justinh: | when I last played with it, it coped about the same |
| [14:42:39] | justinh: | depends on the errors I spose |
| [14:42:46] | stuartm: | with software you'd probably never even notice minor problems, with vdpau it's very evident |
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| [14:43:53] | patdk-wk: | the one thing I did like about vdpau is, when it can't keep up, the stream keeps going along just fine and catchs up |
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| [14:44:04] | patdk-wk: | with software, everything pauses, till it decodes |
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| [14:45:22] | justinh: | reminds me. must think on if I ever put a dish up – to make sure it's accessible to clear snow/ice from it |
| [14:46:06] | patdk-wk: | don't dish's work better with 2' of snow on them? :) |
| [14:46:53] | justinh: | dunno. put a snowflake in front of a Sky minidish & it messes the signal apparently |
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| [14:48:03] | justinh: | or rain, wind or bright sunlight :D |
| [14:49:30] | Elwell: | wind is only a problem if the dish wobbles (ie fitted by yer normal sky installer) |
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| [14:50:43] | justinh: | heh. I think all they use is a drill, a ladder & a big hammer |
| [14:51:54] | Elwell: | admittedly there's nothing wrong with those items for 99% of any DIY job |
| [14:52:19] | Elwell: | true plumbing ones tend to leak a little but hey... |
| [14:52:24] | justinh: | true but a hammer can't tell you how strong a signal is ;) |
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| [14:53:09] | justinh: | and if I'm to believe their old adverts I'd be worried the dish is going to leap off the wall & run away :D |
| [14:53:38] | rwat: | hi folks – long time no see |
| [14:53:40] | ** Elwell needs to find a cheap source of torroidal dishes ** | |
| [14:54:48] | rwat: | looking into upgrading my front end – ideally would want something with component video output for now and hdmi for later – any ideas? |
| [14:55:12] | rwat: | can any of those all in one boards do that kind of thing ? |
| [14:55:31] | patdk-wk: | all in one boards? |
| [14:55:37] | patdk-wk: | motherboard? |
| [14:55:41] | rwat: | mini-itx mini-atx etc |
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| [14:57:12] | Elwell: | rwat: I've just got a Zotac ion-itx which I'm really pleased with |
| [14:57:41] | Elwell: | (although a pc with no moving parts thats totally silent still seems unnerving |
| [14:57:54] | rwat: | Elwell: what does it do in the way of outputs? |
| [14:58:02] | rwat: | (video) |
| [14:58:26] | Elwell: | I use HDMI but it certtainly has DVI and VGA... 2 ticks |
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| [14:59:06] | ** AndyCap wonders what hardware supports this. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13188 ** | |
| [15:00:03] | Elwell: | hmm it just does that. no component |
| [15:00:14] | rwat: | I wonder if there's an easy way to convert hdmi to component |
| [15:00:41] | patdk-wk: | heh |
| [15:01:26] | rwat: | sounds unlikely since one is digital and the other analog |
| [15:02:15] | Elwell: | http://www.zotac.com/httpdocs/brochures/mb/ZOTAC-ION-ITX_v3.pdf for details |
| [15:02:26] | justinh: | no cheap way to turn hdmi into component |
| [15:02:46] | AndyCap: | hdfury? |
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| [15:03:04] | rwat: | http://www.tmfsolutions.co.uk/cyp_vision_fc4.htm exists but as justinh says, is not cheap |
| [15:07:37] | AndyCap: | the hdfury is USD 199 so about the same. |
| [15:09:10] | justinh: | I wouldn't call $199 cheap either |
| [15:09:29] | justinh: | but then morons pay more than that for HDMI cables... |
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| [15:10:43] | Dibblah: | There was an HDFury blue "clone", the manufacturer of which quite humorously was sued by the HDFury manufacturers. |
| [15:11:08] | AndyCap: | no honor among thieves |
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| [15:14:33] | AndyCap: | I see people take cable burn-in seriously. "Monster Cable HDMI 1000HD Ultra-High Speed MC 1000HD : $249 new, $319 used" |
| [15:14:44] | justinh: | lol |
| [15:15:18] | justinh: | is it made by special elves using custom fabricated copper atoms? |
| [15:15:29] | ** justinh would accept nothing less ** | |
| [15:16:18] | Dibblah: | Burn-in can be really serious. |
| [15:16:31] | AndyCap: | justinh: very special elves.. |
| [15:16:55] | AndyCap: | justinh: and the atoms are made one by one in the LHC |
| [15:17:20] | Dibblah: | http://failblog.org/2009/12/29/roommate-fail/ |
| [15:17:48] | Dibblah: | "free 42" LCD TV" |
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| [15:22:30] | justinh: | heh. I remember kelerion's plasma suffering from burnin rather badly during its stay at the linuxworld expo |
| [15:22:42] | justinh: | seemed to vanish after a while though |
| [15:23:36] | patdk-wk: | heh, I wonder if it's like the audiophobes |
| [15:23:50] | patdk-wk: | you can only connect an hdmi cable one way, cause of electron memory :) |
| [15:24:27] | patdk-wk: | I never new about that culture, till I worked at someones house that has 2awg audio cables for his speakers, that where 10' long |
| [15:24:38] | Elwell: | so *thats* why my tv went wrong – I crossed the 2 HDMI cables over... |
| [15:25:22] | Elwell: | must leave cables perfectly parallell behind TV not just bundled and shoved |
| [15:25:45] | patdk-wk: | I can understand how it could matter with analog audio |
| [15:25:50] | patdk-wk: | not enough to care but :) |
| [15:26:03] | patdk-wk: | I would love to know how it would make a difference on digital though :) |
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| [15:31:04] | Dibblah: | Actually, parallel cables is the *worst* situation. |
| [15:32:13] | Elwell: | yeah I know – esp mains + signal |
| [15:35:43] | patdk-wk: | just make sure you use lots of: http://www.action-electronics.com/braid.htm |
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| [15:41:03] | jimmy1: | I've got a question, I'm using nl_grab for dutch listings but i can't choose xmltv from mythtv setup |
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| [16:18:55] | justinh: | jimmy1: maybe you're missing an xmltv component |
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| [16:21:56] | justinh: | arghh really starting to notice how bad qt font rendering is on my sdtv frontend now |
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| [16:22:15] | justinh: | why the heck doesn't it do decent kerning? |
| [16:24:22] | patdk-wk: | no one ever took the time to sit down with qt and each it how? |
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| [16:27:34] | justinh: | whatever it is, I hope they fix it soon |
| [16:28:17] | justinh: | for ages I wasn't alone in thinking it was due to using crappy fonts but it seems they render splendidly in other linux (non-qt) apps |
| [16:30:00] | patdk-wk: | and here I always just blamed myth |
| [16:30:08] | patdk-wk: | I believe myth is the only qt app I use though |
| [16:31:22] | justinh: | before taking a break working on my theme I compared text rendered by mythfrontend & openoffice write |
| [16:31:54] | justinh: | it can't be myth to blame. it just uses qt :) |
| [16:32:03] | patdk-wk: | I so need to rearrange my desk, but can't due to production services running on it in vmware :( |
| [16:33:09] | stuarta: | well now i know why my dvb-s card stopped working a while ago |
| [16:33:19] | stuarta: | the smoke just escaped from it :( |
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| [16:33:21] | patdk-wk: | someone stole it? |
| [16:34:00] | justinh: | oh noes! electronics needs the smoke to stay inside or it won't work! |
| [16:34:40] | justinh: | which is why all the smart kidz cover ever component with hard resin :D |
| [16:34:46] | justinh: | s/ever/every/ |
| [16:35:00] | patdk-wk: | justinh, I had an issue with that once |
| [16:35:07] | patdk-wk: | the chip overheated cause of that |
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| [16:36:19] | justinh: | hey it could be freetype causing this too. duh. dunno if OO uses freetype though |
| [16:37:19] | justinh: | heh they use their own freetype. niftee |
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| [16:49:58] | justinh: | interesting. didn't realise the OSD used its own font handling |
| [16:53:01] | patdk-wk: | would think it would have to |
| [16:53:10] | patdk-wk: | as it's not a normal X thing, as it's an overlay |
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| [17:33:18] | whiteley_: | should I expect any problems with using an external USB2 HDD to store recordings? |
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| [17:36:24] | iamlindoro: | Yes. Bus and I/O contention being the "biggie", and becoming worse as the number of simultaneous recordings increases |
| [17:42:41] | whiteley_: | iamlindoro: I only have two tuners. based on some benchmarks I've done, I should stay well within the data transfer rate. Are there some surprises? |
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| [17:43:08] | iamlindoro: | Yes, USB bus likes to randomly disconnect and sleep devices |
| [17:44:02] | iamlindoro: | It's not reliable. If you choose to do it, that's fine, but can't say you weren't told ;) |
| [17:44:34] | patdk-wk: | I hate sleeping usb, it makes it impossible to charge stuff on it |
| [17:44:42] | whiteley_: | iamlindoro: that must depend on specific hardware. I've been using using an USB HDD on another linux system for a year or so, and it's been rock solid. |
| [17:44:57] | patdk-wk: | using it for what? |
| [17:44:59] | iamlindoro: | whiteley_: Why ask if you don't want the answer? |
| [17:45:17] | whiteley_: | iamlindoro: calm yourself. |
| [17:45:17] | patdk-wk: | recording video is much more demanding to imeddiant action |
| [17:45:23] | whiteley_: | patdk-wk: OK. |
| [17:45:30] | iamlindoro: | whiteley_: excuse me? |
| [17:45:49] | patdk-wk: | iamlindoro is god, he will smite you :) |
| [17:46:00] | AndyCap: | my asus pundit-r ate filesystems on usb-drives for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and crashed the usb drives so that it needed a power-cycle. |
| [17:46:18] | iamlindoro: | You asked a question, but it seems as though only one answer is acceptable. It's ultimately your choice, but you shouldn't ask if you don't want to hear something that contradicts what you're going to do anyway |
| [17:47:25] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: and here I thought that was the standard scientific method. |
| [17:47:38] | whiteley_: | iamlindoro: my apologies. I considered the conversation still well within the realm of a useful discussion. |
| [17:47:46] | whiteley_: | AndyCap: heh. |
| [17:48:05] | justinh: | USB tuners, usb hdds.. if it's USB don't bet your life on it |
| [17:48:35] | patdk-wk: | justinh, I love the usb missile launcher though :) |
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| [17:49:23] | justinh: | so USB is to blame for all that 'friendly fire' stuff? |
| [17:49:30] | justinh: | I knew it :) |
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| [18:03:07] | mmarre: | Hi there. Are there any knwon issues with EIT using DVB-C (Technisat Skymaster HD2)? I setup my DVR with Mythbuntu and all seems working fine. Except EIT (EPG). There are no entrys in the list. |
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| [18:17:12] | FiReSTaRT: | can anyone help me get my remote working in mythtv? for some reason i can't install lirc-modules-source on my machine (karmic64).. tried apt-get, aptitude and synaptic.. irw is showing the remote sending data to the computer |
| [18:18:00] | raceme: | Hi all. with mythbuntu/karmic i installed a frontend/backend with success; but since yesterday i do not find what i changed but neither keyboard nor remote work in live tv (they works in menus, watching recordings and X outsite mythtv but not in live tv)... |
| [18:24:21] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: if irw is showing the data, I suspect you don't need lirc-modules-source. |
| [18:24:43] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: do you have a lircd.conf for your remote? |
| [18:25:16] | FiReSTaRT: | whiteley_: no idea.. where would they usually be? |
| [18:26:31] | FiReSTaRT: | btw my apologies for such n00bness, but googling didn't help and this is the first time i'm using such a device (testing it on my desktop machine while waiting for the actual media center to arrive) |
| [18:27:43] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: trying to find the URLs I used over the weekend to get my TiVo remote working with myth... |
| [18:27:54] | justinh: | if irw is showing every button press all you need do is line up the button definitions from lircd.conf into your ~/.mythtv/lircrc file |
| [18:28:03] | justinh: | or the ~/.lircrc file :) |
| [18:28:24] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: yeah. what justinh said. |
| [18:28:34] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: see if your remote is here: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ |
| [18:28:38] | FiReSTaRT: | justinh: there is no lircrc file in mythtv |
| [18:28:57] | FiReSTaRT: | its supposed to be a version 1 mce remote on the mythtv wiki |
| [18:29:08] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: that will give the buttons more friendly names. |
| [18:29:36] | FiReSTaRT: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
| [18:30:31] | whiteley_: | FiReSTaRT: you have no ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [18:30:53] | FiReSTaRT: | whiteley_: nope.. don't have it |
| [18:32:43] | FiReSTaRT: | ok i created one based on the wiki page |
| [18:33:11] | FiReSTaRT: | so now when i fire up mythtv, it's supposed to recognize the remote? |
| [18:34:48] | FiReSTaRT: | ok its working |
| [18:35:21] | raceme: | anyone about the loss of keyboard or remote events in live-tv (and only in live-tv) ? |
| [18:35:22] | FiReSTaRT: | next question.. how do i exit the front end and is it possible to use the mouse in it? been killing the process to exit lol |
| [18:35:37] | raceme: | FiReSTaRT: ESC to exit |
| [18:36:48] | FiReSTaRT: | raceme: lol.. been trying alt-f4 wth no luck.. esc obviously works :) |
| [18:37:12] | FiReSTaRT: | didn't think it was THAT simple :D |
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| [18:39:10] | FiReSTaRT: | ok, so it's been tested to work.. i'll probably come back to bug you guys once i install mythbuntu on the new mce machine that's supposed to be out for delivery as we speak :) |
| [18:43:51] | FiReSTaRT: | thanks for the help whiteley_, justinh and raceme :) |
| [18:44:31] | FiReSTaRT: | raceme: btw i can't help you with that as i'm a TOTAL mythtv newb and the tv receiver for the media center that hasn't arrived yet won't arrive for another week or so :P |
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| [19:44:06] | Spirits-Sight: | I was wondering which distro would be better for mythtv LMCE or mythbuntu? the next question is I want to have two media access points and a backend, useing hdhomerunner and also need some way to connect RCA to it |
| [19:44:33] | wagnerrp: | LMCE is not a mythtv distro |
| [19:45:12] | wagnerrp: | it includes a heavily modified fork of 0.20 |
| [19:45:28] | Spirits-Sight: | oo ok |
| [19:45:34] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun is not capable of using RCA |
| [19:45:42] | wagnerrp: | it is digital only |
| [19:46:04] | Spirits-Sight: | I know, that why I said "and" |
| [19:46:24] | wagnerrp: | the recommended video capture device is a PVR150 (or 500) |
| [19:46:27] | Spirits-Sight: | connect RCA to the front ends that is |
| [19:46:35] | wagnerrp: | you mean output? |
| [19:47:17] | Spirits-Sight: | for capturing and showing on the screen, no its not a DVD or VCR |
| [19:48:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want to view video capture in anything like realtime, you dont want myth |
| [19:48:33] | wagnerrp: | pick up a cheap framegrabber, and use tvtime, or some other program that will dump video data straight to the screen |
| [19:48:41] | wagnerrp: | those will get you a frame or two of latency |
| [19:48:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will get you 2+ seconds of latency |
| [19:49:41] | Spirits-Sight: | So for the device is best connected to the TV directly |
| [19:49:54] | Spirits-Sight: | its a Video phone for the Deaf |
| [19:50:06] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use an interactive device, absolutely connect it directly to the tv |
| [19:50:38] | unit3: | can someone recommend a cli tool to dump epg info from atsc channels? |
| [19:50:59] | unit3: | I've got a channel that reports the epg times 2.5h off from other channels, and I want to dump the raw data to see if it's the channel data that's wrong, or my setup. |
| [19:51:33] | wagnerrp: | unit3: http://schedulesdirect.org |
| [19:52:13] | wagnerrp: | EPG data in the US is mediocre at best |
| [19:52:25] | Spirits-Sight: | wagnerrp: OK, so what would be a good frontend system for piping music, video (HD-SD) |
| [19:52:33] | unit3: | wagnerrp: i'm in canada, actually, and it seems totally correct, just the wrong time. |
| [19:52:45] | unit3: | and since it's from the public broadcaster, i'm in talks with them to get it fixed. |
| [19:52:52] | unit3: | so... I don't want alternate schedules. |
| [19:52:59] | unit3: | I just want a way to confirm the data I'm getting OTA. ;) |
| [19:53:10] | wagnerrp: | unit3: i would assume canada to be the same, its a rarity to get more than a couple hours of data |
| [19:53:34] | Spirits-Sight: | If I decided to go with LMCE would the frontend be good for that also do you know? |
| [19:53:44] | Spirits-Sight: | wagnerrp: ^^^ |
| [19:54:11] | wagnerrp: | Spirits-Sight: LMCE is a DVR program with home automation stuff tacked on |
| [19:54:17] | wagnerrp: | its going to suffer the same issues as mythtv |
| [19:54:32] | unit3: | wagnerrp: I think you're missing the point. like I just said, I don't want to get alternate guide info, I want to fix the OTA guide. That's more important to me. |
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| [19:55:18] | wagnerrp: | unit3: but this is a mythtv support channel, for guiding people in the best manner of using mythtv |
| [19:55:47] | dubstar_04: | whats the best fanless video card you can get to support vdpau? |
| [19:55:57] | unit3: | yes, and I want help in sorting out whether the time difference on my EPG is because of a mythtv misconfig, or because of incorrect OTA data. |
| [19:55:57] | wagnerrp: | since epg data is next to useless with mythtv over here (due to the lack of long term data), very few people in here will have experience with EPG data over ATSC |
| [19:56:05] | unit3: | Ok, that's fair. |
| [19:56:18] | wagnerrp: | the people in #linuxtv might know better |
| [19:56:36] | wagnerrp: | or you can stick around and see if the DVB people in here know of any tools |
| [19:56:37] | unit3: | oh yeah, that'd make sense, they'll be familiar with the tools I want to use, what's available, how it works. |
| [19:56:40] | wagnerrp: | perhaps they work with both standards |
| [19:56:55] | GreyFoxx: | I wish we had some ATSC content locally. But noone locally uses it |
| [19:57:10] | unit3: | yeah, from what I've seen with my setup it's just using the DVB support for my card, so I assume there must be some cross standard compatibility. |
| [19:57:21] | wagnerrp: | sort-of |
| [19:57:27] | GreyFoxx: | 2 summers ago several channels were suppose to be implementing it but they never did :/ |
| [19:57:30] | unit3: | I'll ask in #linuxtv, and hang out here to see if anyone has any tips. |
| [19:57:39] | wagnerrp: | all digital tuners in linux use the DVB subsystem |
| [19:58:06] | wagnerrp: | but there is very little shared hardware or protocol |
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| [19:58:09] | iamlindoro: | Man, industry really is doing everything they can to force 3D down consumer's throats |
| [19:58:29] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:58:33] | iamlindoro: | gotta sell more TVs, I guess. Personally still not sold on it |
| [19:58:39] | _abbenormal: | imho i think 3d sucks |
| [19:58:43] | GreyFoxx: | 3d with no glasses would be neat |
| [19:58:50] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: well *yeah* :) |
| [19:58:51] | GreyFoxx: | but if you need glasses then forget it |
| [19:58:56] | Dibblah: | GreyFoxx: It's called "going outside" |
| [19:59:00] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: its a weird experience the first time you see it |
| [19:59:00] | unit3: | I like 3d in concept, but 3d via shutter glasses (which is how they're doing it for home users, IIRC) is pretty terrible. |
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| [19:59:25] | GreyFoxx: | dibbz: forget that, Pause doesn't work, let alone commercial skipping |
| [19:59:26] | iamlindoro: | unit3: consumer units using both shutter glasses and circular polarization glasses are becoming available |
| [19:59:27] | Widget: | 'lo |
| [19:59:33] | iamlindoro: | it's not all active shutter |
| [19:59:51] | unit3: | oh, didn't realize there were ones that did polarization. I'd be ok with that. |
| [19:59:57] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: weve got one of these at work... http://www.pcworld.com/article/117303/sharp_s . . . monitor.html |
| [19:59:59] | unit3: | I'll have to look into that further at some point. |
| [20:00:22] | iamlindoro: | yeah, they're using teh same "RealD" stuff as in the theatres |
| [20:00:45] | wagnerrp: | the stuff in theaters is just a pair of projectors with filters on them |
| [20:00:48] | unit3: | yep. |
| [20:01:05] | unit3: | I couldn't figure out how they'd do that in a home unit, since you only have one screen. |
| [20:01:08] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I only make note because I was considering upgrading one of the displays in the house and thinking that it might be prudent to get a 3D capable display if they persist in jamming it home |
| [20:01:14] | wagnerrp: | you can do that with a DLP or LCoS, but i dont know how you would do that in a flat panel |
| [20:01:26] | Widget: | quick question; has the method for accessing deleted recordings changed in 0.22? |
| [20:01:39] | wagnerrp: | ill be happy so long as they dont do anaglyph |
| [20:01:49] | wagnerrp: | that way i can just turn it off |
| [20:01:49] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Pretty sure the flat panel units are all active-shutter w/ high refresh rate |
| [20:01:59] | unit3: | ahhh that's it then, I'm not interested in projection. |
| [20:02:13] | unit3: | so if it's just active shutter for panels, then I don't care about it. |
| [20:02:51] | iamlindoro: | unit3: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/samsung-jv . . . televisions/ |
| [20:02:54] | iamlindoro: | It's not |
| [20:03:07] | wagnerrp: | i never really liked the polarized setup we have at work, or used in theaters |
| [20:03:13] | iamlindoro: | was only remarking on existing panels |
| [20:03:15] | wagnerrp: | too much bleed through |
| [20:03:31] | wagnerrp: | but that sharp panel looks gorgeous |
| [20:03:32] | iamlindoro: | It's the brightness hit you take that has bugged me in the past |
| [20:03:33] | devinheitmueller: | unit3: Dvbstreamer |
| [20:03:48] | devinheitmueller: | unit3: See thread "[linux-dvb] EPG (Electronic Program Guide) Tools" on linux-dvb (26 May 2009) |
| [20:04:01] | unit3: | devinheitmueller: cool, thanks, I'll look for that now. |
| [20:04:13] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Which IMO seems the be the advantage of active shutter, since you can get full brightness and full resolution to each eye |
| [20:04:22] | devinheitmueller: | unit3: np |
| [20:05:05] | wagnerrp: | the problem with that sharp monitor is that its $1500 for a 15" screen |
| [20:05:14] | wagnerrp: | and in 3D mode, you only get 512x768 resolution out of it |
| [20:05:54] | AndyCap: | Pulfrich FTW! :P |
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| [20:08:04] | iamlindoro: | Looks like Sharp is announcing TVs with four colors.... yay? |
| [20:08:08] | iamlindoro: | RGBY |
| [20:08:24] | wagnerrp: | maybe CMYK |
| [20:08:35] | Dagmar: | Not likely, but just about as useful |
| [20:08:37] | iamlindoro: | nah, as above, RGBY |
| [20:08:58] | iamlindoro: | I didn't write it because I was guessing ;) |
| [20:09:06] | iamlindoro: | I wrote it because it was as-announced |
| [20:09:48] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/live-from- . . . press-event/ |
| [20:10:25] | wagnerrp: | because more colors are so needed, when our video codecs only process 12-bit? |
| [20:10:56] | Essobi: | Meh... Ordered a firewire card.. got it in, installed it, but my motorola 6416 is acting sketchy with it. :| |
| [20:11:28] | Dagmar: | Get another one then |
| [20:11:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand the purpose of these thin tvs... now 6.9mm |
| [20:12:22] | Dagmar: | it's so you can roll them up and smuggle them into prisons inside your rectum |
| [20:12:52] | wagnerrp: | i mean if youre worried about it sticking out, countersink it into the wall |
| [20:13:02] | Dagmar: | ...and you know, there's some people out there whose apartments are only six inches wide, so space is at a real premium there |
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| [20:13:27] | wagnerrp: | if youre worried about it being heavy, who cares. if you dont heavily anchor that thing to the wall, you deserve to have it fall to the floor |
| [20:13:39] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: that sounds a little impractical. |
| [20:13:55] | Dagmar: | if someone breaks into the house, you can use your new TV to cut the burglar in half |
| [20:14:15] | wagnerrp: | didnt someone say that about the Apple Air? |
| [20:14:29] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure i saw someone slice bread with one |
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| [20:15:17] | iamlindoro: | That would be some smooshy bread |
| [20:15:27] | iamlindoro: | I'm working on one right now-- it's thin, but it ain't *that* thin |
| [20:15:34] | wagnerrp: | well it didnt end well for the bread or the laptop |
| [20:16:09] | AndyCap: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNaadVOQEM Thin laptop.. |
| [20:17:29] | AndyCap: | It didn't seem to go well in the end. |
| [20:19:09] | pheld: | Is there a way to specify the path to plugins for mythbrowser? I'd like to get rid of flash in myth while keeping it installed for other browsers on the machine. |
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| [20:20:22] | Widget: | pheld: i'd be curious as i have flash working in firefox but not mythbrowser |
| [20:21:45] | iamlindoro: | pheld: no |
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| [20:27:18] | ivor: | hmmm, now I'm getting narrative audio on BBC HD. argh. |
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| [20:34:41] | pheld: | iamlindoro: ok. the real problem is that flash-elements cause problems with focus. any solution for that? |
| [20:35:11] | iamlindoro: | pheld: Nope, but that's not really mythbrowser's fault, flash grabs focus in any browser when the mouse is over it |
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| [20:35:44] | pheld: | moving the plugin.so out of the way before starting myth is the workaround for now then. |
| [20:35:46] | iamlindoro: | Though admittedly I'd like to see us intercepting the escape |
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| [20:42:08] | paul-h: | iamlindoro: still working on that one. The only solution I've found to work is to use grabKeyboard() on the QWebView widget but that has side effects like bypassing myths keypress handling |
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| [20:42:58] | clever: | paul-h: its not actualy 'when the mouse is over it' but when the focus is on the flash 'window' |
| [20:43:12] | clever: | paul-h: you have to click in the flash before it begins eating everything |
| [20:43:28] | iamlindoro: | paul-h: Heh, didn't involve you because I didn't want to be a bother :) |
| [20:43:41] | iamlindoro: | clever: That is not correct |
| [20:43:45] | Dagmar: | Awesome |
| [20:43:49] | Dagmar: | microsoft wants to screw up SVG |
| [20:44:00] | clever: | iamlindoro: ive found that it wont eat keyboard events when the mouse is over it, until i click in the flash |
| [20:44:03] | iamlindoro: | not in mythbrowser-- If the mouse is over a flash window, you *cannot* escape out of the browser |
| [20:44:21] | clever: | mythbrowser might handle focus a little differently |
| [20:44:25] | clever: | or it might be your window manager |
| [20:44:40] | paul-h: | clever it affects any control that takes focus not just plugins |
| [20:45:01] | paul-h: | try giving an edit the focus for example |
| [20:45:41] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: oh, I thought they were done with that a long time ago. |
| [20:45:51] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: by not supporting it. :) |
| [20:46:32] | clever: | paul-h: for an edit box, its obvious why it eats most key events |
| [20:46:48] | clever: | but for plugins, its not an object in the window |
| [20:47:19] | iamlindoro: | paul-h: I spent some time looking at how Boxee's "apps" work for things like Hulu et al. They are essentially a version of what I'm trying to do with MythNetvision on steroids, but their browser does some magic and connects to a control scheme for the particular flash player on Boxee's servers |
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| [20:48:22] | iamlindoro: | paul-h: Figured when/if the plugin is a bit more usable and you are interested, it would be worth broaching the subject of a similar kind of thing for us |
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| [20:49:55] | paul-h: | iamlindoro: sure, I'd like to try MythNetvision to see exactly what the problems are |
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| [20:50:38] | iamlindoro: | paul-h: K, it's got some busted bits but I think getting you a copy to play with is a priority since it leverages so much of your work. I'll get you a copy this week if you like (I'd like to fix a few more embarassing issues) |
| [20:51:00] | iamlindoro: | Well, will share after extracting a promise not to make me feel silly about the numerous likely stupid errors ;) |
| [20:51:48] | paul-h: | That's ok whenever you are ready |
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| [21:42:31] | f_aichele: | Hello! A short question ... if I want to build a "backend-only" mythtv installation, do I necessarily need a soundcard installed? |
| [21:43:06] | Widget: | can't see why |
| [21:43:16] | stuarta: | no |
| [21:43:27] | f_aichele: | Ok, thanks! |
| [21:43:38] | iamlindoro: | *unless you have a framegrabber that won't capture audio via the bus |
| [21:43:46] | skd5aner: | anyone using mythgame? |
| [21:43:59] | f_aichele: | Not the case, using a PVR350. |
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| [21:44:46] | skd5aner: | thought I'd toy around with mythgame a bit, and was trying to get boxart to work, but it only works if I manually select it and add it to the metadata |
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| [21:45:27] | skd5aner: | but according the wiki, "... then re-name it to the EXACT same name as the ROM file (without the extension). Then MythGame will display the game's cover art ..." |
| [21:46:18] | skd5aner: | I checked and made sure that the Boxart directory is setup correct in the settings, exists, and the permissions are right – also that the png file is named exactly like the ROM's file name |
| [21:46:21] | skd5aner: | no dice :( |
| [21:47:44] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: That is for screenshot |
| [21:48:24] | iamlindoro: | boxart and fanart were added for .22 and don't do any auto-add |
| [21:49:59] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ok, gotcha – the wiki was a bit misleading/confusing. They interchange screenshot/boxart and I think there's a few typos |
| [21:50:20] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Don't think the wiki has been touched to update MythGame's documenation to .22 |
| [21:50:29] | iamlindoro: | so once you have it all worked out, please do feel free to update it |
| [21:50:35] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythGameEmulationSetup#Game_Cover_Art |
| [21:51:16] | clever: | skd5aner: i had seen a rom db somewhere, it was basicaly a list of crc's for every rom out there, and what name it had |
| [21:51:23] | clever: | skd5aner: that might play a part in things |
| [21:51:37] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: might be able to help a little, all depends if I can figure out if I'm doing something wrong, or the directions are wrong :) |
| [21:51:50] | skd5aner: | clever: yes, I used the romdb sql file that's included... |
| [21:52:07] | clever: | ok, no idea then |
| [21:52:11] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: The romdb doesn't have any bearing at all on what you are asking |
| [21:52:22] | iamlindoro: | as it doesn't affect searching for screenshot in any way |
| [21:52:32] | skd5aner: | clever: although, I had to patch a few files because it would say it would have to match a filename, but the sql file didn't populate that field :P |
| [21:52:44] | skd5aner: | so, my CRC would match, but the file didn't |
| [21:52:56] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yes, I know – just responding to clever (he brought it up) |
| [21:53:12] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I know, just trying to save you wasted time following "clever" advice |
| [21:53:19] | skd5aner: | haha |
| [21:53:57] | skd5aner: | np, appreciate it – the CRC file is nice, but it's not very complete in some arenas – lots of metadata is missing/incomplete, but would take a lifetime to research and fill in the gaps – I give Greg credit for even trying |
| [21:55:33] | skd5aner: | I suppose requesting that boxart immitate screenshots (and fanart in watched recordings) would be a feature request without a patch ;) |
| [21:55:42] | skd5aner: | might throw it on the wiki |
| [21:55:46] | iamlindoro: | only if you requested it and didn't supply a patch |
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| [21:55:58] | iamlindoro: | you could just supply the patch if you liked ;) |
| [21:56:23] | skd5aner: | well – maybe I can look how screenshots work, and do a little copy and paste, we'll have to see |
| [21:56:39] | iamlindoro: | Go look at the mythgame revision log-- I wrote the boxart and fanart support and GreyFoxx added the screenshot search stuff back in as a discrete commit |
| [21:56:46] | iamlindoro: | so there will be a single isolated commit you could follow |
| [21:57:00] | skd5aner: | nice – will do, good memory, thanks for the lead |
| [21:57:12] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:59:09] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21122/tr . . . ins/mythgame |
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| [21:59:18] | iamlindoro: | OK, so it fixes a couple other things at the same time, but mostly isolated |
| [21:59:36] | iamlindoro: | gamehandler.cpp |
| [22:00:04] | iamlindoro: | That should provide you almost a cut-and-paste way to add it to the others |
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| [22:27:41] | joshn: | i've got an issue with a myth box(combined frontend and backend) and the prebuffer timing out 100 times and exiting to the "error displaying video" message |
| [22:28:17] | joshn: | it doesn't do it every time, and interestingly, it pretty much only does it when switching from a HD channel to an SD |
| [22:30:06] | skd5aner: | LiveTV? |
| [22:30:15] | joshn: | yes. |
| [22:31:30] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: thanks – I'll work on it over the next week or so. Should be fun to dive in |
| [22:32:07] | skd5aner: | can you ever watch Live TV in HD? |
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| [22:33:10] | skd5aner: | or does it always error out when you attempt to switch to an HD channel? |
| [22:33:31] | skd5aner: | and, can you watch HD recordings alright? |
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| [22:35:24] | joshn: | HD livetv works pretty well. Changing through HD channels works probably 95% of the time, though the prebuffer often gets close to 100 before it plays... |
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| [22:36:03] | joshn: | the problem seems to happen the most when watching live tv, and switching from an HD channel to an SD. |
| [22:36:13] | joshn: | SD and HD recordings work fine |
| [22:38:19] | joshn: | http://pastebin.com/m6b53033c |
| [22:38:30] | joshn: | there's the frontend logs when I change the channel |
| [22:39:33] | joshn: | you can see right before it hits 100 retries, it's starting to decode the video, then it dies |
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| [22:44:34] | joshn: | it used to do it when playing a live hd channel a lot, but turning the ringbuffer down to 4M pretty much fixed that. |
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| [23:05:37] | joshn: | anyone have any ideas of what to check? |
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| [23:34:44] | Keli: | hi all, anyone know if I use mythtranscode to dump a recording as a mpeg2 (--mpeg2 option) if there should be any difference in number of frames in that dump and the original recording? |
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| [23:36:22] | Keli: | that is, the number of frames between the raw mpeg2 stream from the /dev/video device and the exported file should be the same or? |
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| [23:40:47] | wagnerrp: | Keli: mythtv will not transcode *to* mpeg2 |
| [23:41:37] | wagnerrp: | that --mpeg2 option implies a lossless passthrough, where it just clips out the cutlist, and the restructures the frames surrounding the cuts such that they start properly with I-frames |
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| [23:43:17] | Keli: | wagnerrp: right I know, but if I compair the recordedmarkup marks and the expected number of frames in a recording according to that and the actual number of frames its not the smae |
| [23:43:45] | wagnerrp: | because you cut parts out of it |
| [23:43:55] | Keli: | no |
| [23:44:12] | wagnerrp: | then it truncated the first couple of frames before the first I frame |
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| [23:44:42] | Keli: | when I ask mythtranscode just to dump a recording and NOT honour cutlists I see different length of that dump compared to the last frame registered in recordedmarkup |
| [23:45:19] | wagnerrp: | give an example |
| [23:45:48] | Keli: | I dumped a recording using |
| [23:46:00] | iamlindoro: | mythtranscode is not a dump of any kind |
| [23:46:28] | iamlindoro: | even a MPEG-2 to MPEG-2 without cutlists is still demux and remux into a brand new file, but it's not an export or dump |
| [23:47:06] | Keli: | mythtranscode -m -c 1032 -s 2009-11–29T22:21:00 -o tb5.mpg |
| [23:47:12] | Keli: | so this is the whole recording |
| [23:47:46] | Keli: | now the records for this recording in recordedmarkup show the last frame as 37778 |
| [23:48:09] | Keli: | but it seems to have 42470 frames |
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| [23:48:46] | Keli: | and then when I ask mythtranscode to honour the cutlist, it will cut out the wrong portion, start too early and finish too soon |
| [23:48:50] | wagnerrp: | recordedmarkup stores bookmarks, commercial flagging, and cutlists |
| [23:49:02] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason why the last entry in the file should be the last frame in the file |
| [23:50:11] | Keli: | wagnerrp: ok, there are two manually inserted cutpoints (start and end) and then there are two more entries, first frame (0) and some other frame far into the recording that I guessed is the last one (based on hints from you) |
| [23:50:26] | Keli: | brb, my daughter just woke up and is crying, |
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| [23:53:46] | seandiddy: | problem:changed cable provider...digital cable not compatible with Remote Wonder Pro Tuner card...any suggestions |
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| [23:54:17] | wagnerrp: | this is in north america? |
| [23:54:31] | seandiddy: | Yes |
| [23:54:44] | seandiddy: | Ma. |
| [23:54:47] | wagnerrp: | then there is exactly zero difference between one QAM and another QAM |
| [23:55:05] | wagnerrp: | any QAM tuner will work with any cable-co's signal |
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| [23:55:09] | seandiddy: | why am i not able to configure the tv |
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| [23:55:24] | seandiddy: | can't even access through TV-Time |
| [23:55:32] | wagnerrp: | because tvtime does not do digital |
| [23:55:43] | wagnerrp: | and your tv has nothing to do with your digital tuner |
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| [23:57:09] | seandiddy: | we upgraded cable two days ago, ever since then I can't get anything out of my tuner card |
| [23:57:22] | wagnerrp: | have you rescanned? |
| [23:57:51] | seandiddy: | yeup, from the backend setup |
| [23:58:06] | seandiddy: | US-CABLE right? |
| [23:58:21] | wagnerrp: | and you got new channels, and you restarted the backend so it would use the new channels? |
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| [23:59:26] | wagnerrp: | any time you go into mythtv-setup, your backend should be restarted |
| [23:59:26] | seandiddy: | yeup, but all I get is static...when watch tv it's scrambled and give me too many lost frames error |
| [23:59:40] | wagnerrp: | you cannot get 'static' with a digital tuner |
| [23:59:43] | seandiddy: | through mythfilldatabase? |
| [23:59:43] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt work that way |
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