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| [00:43:08] | ** iamlindoro sets people who want synchronized swimm^H^H^H multiroom TV on fire ** | |
| [00:47:43] | squish102: | anyone use an xbox 360 to play dvd's from mythtv? |
| [00:48:03] | squish102: | do i need to convert all my dvd's to avi to see them on xbox? |
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| [00:54:25] | BobLfoot: | Is there a way to change the ASTC Channel delimiter. Right now I get 3_1 ; 32_1 ; rather than 3.1 and 32.1. It is mentioned in the install guide, but I can't find it in the 0.22 gui. |
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| [00:58:05] | justinh: | the channel editor is probably going to be of some use to you then |
| [00:58:40] | justinh: | either in mythtv-setup – with the backend stopped (of course DUH) – or with mythweb... or by pressing E while watching 'evil tv' |
| [00:59:36] | justinh: | though fwiw I might stop ranting about how pointless live tv is considering how much time I've wasted playing flash games lately :P |
| [01:01:44] | justinh: | and yeah BobLfoot you're very welcome. cheers |
| [01:02:17] | kormoc: | Ahh... English tact... |
| [01:02:55] | justinh: | heh I thought that was the only kind |
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| [01:03:25] | BobLfoot: | thank you justinh – so changing the displayed channel number from 32_1 to 32.1 doesn't affect the tuned ATSC channel? |
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| [01:04:04] | justinh: | shouldn't do |
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| [01:06:03] | justinh: | hahaha damn. seems somebody beat me to the very thing I was going to start on tomorrow |
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| [01:06:18] | ** justinh beers paulh ** | |
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| [01:15:14] | justinh: | aww did nobody buy freenode some new patch cables for Christmas? |
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| [01:16:14] | iamlindoro: | Freenode, as supported by #### users |
| [01:16:23] | iamlindoro: | Free as in "give me everything for free" |
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| [01:16:58] | justinh: | heh. happy new year btw iamlindoro |
| [01:17:10] | iamlindoro: | likewise! |
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| [01:17:25] | justinh: | keeping everything crossed for that ;) |
| [01:17:39] | iamlindoro: | There, now freenode destroyed the evidence of our courtesy for us |
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| [01:18:13] | justinh: | here's an idea. make channels have tolls :) |
| [01:18:18] | justinh: | it'll make a change |
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| [01:19:13] | iamlindoro: | sliding scale by accuracy? |
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| [01:19:29] | iamlindoro: | ie you can get discount help, premium help, or free help? |
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| [01:20:05] | justinh: | free help – isn't that just Unclued Bub's Blog page? |
| [01:20:27] | iamlindoro: | I think you're on to something |
| [01:20:44] | iamlindoro: | Just need to get sphery and wagnerrp on board to lock up the market on premium help |
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| [01:23:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: how much is your cut? |
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| [01:24:04] | iamlindoro: | I promise it will be reasonable, just 15% + finders fee + IP licensing |
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| [01:29:16] | sid3windr: | justinh: what was that you said, make channels have trolls? :> |
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| [01:30:44] | justinh: | no, rather than pray for a well conducted channel.. PAY ;-) |
| [01:32:07] | iamlindoro: | and with the new sheriff in town, trolls will no longer be tolerated |
| [01:32:13] | ** iamlindoro reloads ** | |
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| [01:34:47] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [01:34:59] | justinh: | oh what a witty & intelligent erm.. thingy |
| [01:35:16] | justinh: | your mom at you are fags. hilarious! |
| [01:35:32] | ** justinh suggests Winkie gets a job as a Simpsons writer ** | |
| [01:35:51] | iamlindoro: | not to mention it's been mentioned by more than one op of this channel |
| [01:36:28] | justinh: | I might well be a fag, but it's been a while since anybody smoked round here |
| [01:36:32] | Winkie: | yes well you're supposed to pm a network operator |
| [01:36:36] | Winkie: | and last time i checked there were none online |
| [01:36:40] | Winkie: | in fact every time i checked |
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| [01:37:01] | Winkie has been kicked from #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!n=iamlindo@unaffiliated/iamlindoro (iamlindoro) | |
| [01:37:05] | iamlindoro: | Or I can just do that |
| [01:37:13] | justinh: | there's always that. ahh |
| [01:37:16] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [01:38:17] | iamlindoro: | For the record, I HAVE had that discusssion with him before, as has kormoc |
| [01:39:15] | iamlindoro: | oh well, guess I bett unban... |
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| [01:42:39] | iamlindoro: | Maybe he'll get it this time |
| [01:43:07] | iamlindoro: | I doubt it, but maybe |
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| [02:54:17] | Cubber: | I take it if you only have one capture card setup in mythtv only one user can access livetv at a time over the network? I just tried accessing my backend with 2 frontends and only one could pull up the live tv, the other just did nothing when I selected livetv. As soon as I closed the other one I could access with the one that I couldnt before. |
| [02:54:59] | [R]: | well the tuner is in use |
| [02:55:01] | [R]: | what did you expect |
| [02:55:42] | Cubber: | that is what I figured, but I did not know if it streamed it over the network or not. Cause you should be able to access a stream by more than one user. |
| [02:56:03] | [R]: | you go into thte watch recordings |
| [02:56:04] | [R]: | and then play it |
| [02:56:17] | Dagmar: | That's right. One tuner == One person watching LiveTV |
| [02:56:27] | Cubber: | thanks |
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| [02:58:15] | Lexridge: | Hi guys. Has anyone tried the Windows version of mythfront? I got a new Asus netbook for xmas, and have been trying to a prebuilt version to run on it, but it needs protocol 51, whereas my most recent .22 fixes build is only 50. |
| [02:59:00] | Lexridge: | I initially allowed it to rebuild my database......WRONG!!! |
| [02:59:29] | [R]: | Lexridge: the version needs to match exactly |
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| [02:59:47] | [R]: | Lexridge: sounds liek you need to update your backend |
| [03:00:03] | Lexridge: | It is running the latest. Updated it tonight in fact |
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| [03:00:31] | Lexridge: | MythTV Version : 23074 |
| [03:00:44] | Lexridge: | Network Protocol : 50 |
| [03:00:52] | Lexridge: | The windows version is 229xx |
| [03:01:05] | Lexridge: | it should NOT be using a new Protocol |
| [03:01:14] | clever: | all systems must be running the same version |
| [03:01:49] | Lexridge: | is it possible to use svn to back my linux machines back to the same version the windows version is? |
| [03:01:51] | sphery: | "I'm mainly interested in BD 3D, which was just standardized" ??? Was it really standardized? From what I heard, they only standardized that there will be an as-yet-undetermined spec for it and support for it is optional, but highly recommended, in BD Players... |
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| [03:03:12] | Lexridge: | and I have updated my backend, without updating my frontend, and it did still work without protocol errors. |
| [03:03:20] | [R]: | Lexridge: i can't seem to find a proto version of 51 in svn at all |
| [03:03:28] | [R]: | sounds like someone was crack induced when they made that binary |
| [03:03:29] | Lexridge: | that is strange, R |
| [03:03:51] | [R]: | oh no |
| [03:03:51] | Lexridge: | I got it from here: http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/ |
| [03:03:53] | [R]: | thats it |
| [03:03:55] | [R]: | its trunk |
| [03:04:09] | Lexridge: | oh, I think I did get the trunk version, actualluy |
| [03:04:13] | [R]: | well there you go |
| [03:04:18] | [R]: | [07:59:29] [R] Lexridge: the version needs to match exactly |
| [03:04:23] | [R]: | [08:01:15] clever all systems must be running the same version |
| [03:04:26] | Lexridge: | I should have gotten fixes I think |
| [03:05:00] | Lexridge: | like I said earlier ^^^ However, this was with v .21 when I did this. Hell, it worth a try anyway. |
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| [03:06:57] | Lexridge: | otherwise, I guess I need to learn to build the winders version myself. |
| [03:08:05] | Dagmar: | It's that a bit like learning to eat a car? |
| [03:08:36] | iamlindoro: | with similar results |
| [03:08:48] | Lexridge: | dunno, but it would make a great guiness book of world records entry lol |
| [03:09:27] | Lexridge: | I think they should start with a Hugo and keep getting bigger and bigger |
| [03:10:05] | Dagmar: | Nah, an MGB |
| [03:10:22] | Dagmar: | ...or possibly a Trabi |
| [03:10:45] | Lexridge: | or that tiny japanese 3 wheeled car. cant remember what it's called now. |
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| [03:41:21] | dtype: | hi folks, any help would be appreciated. it appears that the macos daily builds of 0.22 available on sniderpad.com are widely reported to have broken coverart/fanart (error messages: Error loading image to scale). I can't seem to find any answers as to a fix (and was hoping to avoid a full re-compile on macos, but will if I have to). Is there a known fix for this, or is the reason for it known? thanks in advance for any help |
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| [03:46:53] | jolaren: | Hello! What card do you recommend for ubuntu? |
| [03:47:10] | jolaren: | External is the only awy |
| [03:47:10] | jolaren: | way |
| [03:47:21] | cesman: | jolaren: card for what? |
| [03:47:37] | ** kormoc waits for 'Mythtv' or 'Tv' or similar non-answer ** | |
| [03:47:39] | jolaren: | Television |
| [03:47:39] | iamlindoro: | cesman, for captureing television, stupid |
| [03:47:40] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [03:47:42] | iamlindoro: | HAHAHAHA |
| [03:47:43] | iamlindoro: | I rock |
| [03:47:45] | cesman: | lol |
| [03:47:51] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, the format of your television |
| [03:48:01] | iamlindoro: | You are in Sweden? So... DVB-T? DVB-C? |
| [03:48:11] | jolaren: | I will take a look |
| [03:48:16] | Dagmar: | So, there's little point in me using a TOSlink cable to the HD-PVR if I've been reading this stuff correctly, right? |
| [03:48:20] | jolaren: | I'm using boxer |
| [03:48:39] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Why? You can mux the original 5.1 AC3 in if you use toslink |
| [03:48:40] | kormoc: | Dagmar: Aye, it's embedded in the stream |
| [03:48:45] | kormoc: | or that |
| [03:48:54] | iamlindoro: | which is to say, you definitely want to |
| [03:49:33] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; dvb-t |
| [03:49:54] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: OKay so it's not going to foul me up by picking the DTS it can't record then? |
| [03:49:59] | Dagmar: | There was some little note in the box |
| [03:50:04] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, Okay, then you should check out http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices |
| [03:50:16] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Right, should be fine |
| [03:50:27] | jpabq-: | Dagmar, David has had problems with his STB putting out corrupt AC3 audio, which causes his recordings to fail --- but that is not the norm. |
| [03:50:29] | Dagmar: | Ah okay, I'll order a cable for that then. |
| [03:50:33] | jolaren: | What's the advantages running this from my ion asrock 330 instead of buying a "box"? |
| [03:50:36] | jolaren: | Might be a stupid question |
| [03:50:40] | Dagmar: | BestBuy utterly failed me on the firewire card front |
| [03:51:04] | Dagmar: | My whole TV setup is spread out across the livingroom couches right now |
| [03:51:27] | Dagmar: | I'm cheating and I'm cutting a false wall panel to go in the in-wall bookcases |
| [03:51:38] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, You mean the benefits on Myth over a DVR you buy? |
| [03:51:49] | jolaren: | Yes, I guess so. |
| [03:51:59] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, Access to your own content, commercial skipping, a bunch of other plugins that play music, videos, provide information.... |
| [03:52:11] | iamlindoro: | Better interface |
| [03:52:16] | Dagmar: | I'm just gonna make holes in that, saw 3/4 inch off the backs of the shelves, and just make holes in the thing, since I can't ever seem to find cables that are the exact right length |
| [03:52:58] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; You need a 3ghz processor (minimum) to play high definiton contents – am I right? So my asrock ion 330 with an overclocked processor to 2.0ghz is far from reaching that standard? |
| [03:53:51] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, The ION will be fine, since you can use VDPAU and offload decoding to the graphics chip |
| [03:54:51] | jolaren: | Ooh, sweet! I've found a card that seems to be supported for around 800kr (80euros). That's alot cheaper than the 3000 kr box I was lookin at earlier today |
| [03:55:48] | iamlindoro: | Which device? |
| [03:56:25] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?e=309081 |
| [03:56:38] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; Sorry, TerraTec Cinergy HTC USB XS HD |
| [03:56:38] | jolaren: | HD |
| [03:56:58] | iamlindoro: | yes, that device should work fine |
| [03:58:06] | jolaren: | Seems a few people have been complaining about the picture of that card. I will look around until I find something I believe is optimal then I will write back here |
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| [03:58:18] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, Those people are silly |
| [03:58:28] | iamlindoro: | digital tuners don't affect picture |
| [03:58:36] | iamlindoro: | they just tune a digital stream and dump it to disk |
| [03:58:42] | iamlindoro: | they don't change the picture at all |
| [03:58:51] | jolaren: | I've got several years of linux experience but none related to mythv. This is not hard to setup, right? |
| [03:59:25] | iamlindoro: | MythTV? Well... to be honest, many people find MythTV very difficult to set up, but with some linux esperience you can probably do it, and even better if you choose a Myth-based distro |
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| [04:00:21] | jolaren: | What do you reccomend then? |
| [04:00:32] | jolaren: | tweaking is really not a problem allthought I don't enjoy it all that much |
| [04:00:40] | iamlindoro: | If the box will be for MythTV only, I strongly recommend MythBuntu |
| [04:01:07] | jolaren: | Are there other altenatives? My main goal is to watch television, perhaps record some |
| [04:01:26] | jolaren: | I get my channels from an antenna, this is not an issue -right? |
| [04:01:38] | iamlindoro: | Mythdora, LinHES... but MythBuntu is generally the easiest for most people to set up |
| [04:01:41] | iamlindoro: | and antenna is fine |
| [04:02:51] | jolaren: | I'm really exagerated now in starting this project. |
| [04:02:55] | jolaren: | Seems great |
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| [04:03:20] | jolaren: | Do I need anything else then the turner I provided here? |
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| [04:03:48] | iamlindoro: | computer, tuner, plenty of recording space, MythTV... IR reciever if you want to use a remote |
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| [04:04:28] | Lexridge: | [R], it works. windows version buiid 22787 and the backend is 23074. working perfectly so far. |
| [04:05:06] | Lexridge: | did you see that clever ^^^^^ |
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| [04:05:36] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; I already have a rf remote workin fine. Plenty of recording space? It's not recording everything, am I right? You can set it to record for instance every episode of two and a half men |
| [04:06:32] | iamlindoro: | correct, it is selective.. but also records all LiveTV (though that will automatically expire as necessary) |
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| [04:06:44] | [R]: | if i were to give livetv a partition... how big should i make it? |
| [04:07:42] | wilberfan: | anyone here encounter an issue where their remote stops working after upgrading to the .32 kernel? |
| [04:07:57] | wilberfan: | i've had that happen on two different distros now... |
| [04:08:02] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; I'm guessing the 200 gig I have spared works fine |
| [04:08:16] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; Thanks alot for all your help. I think I'm all set to start now |
| [04:08:20] | [R]: | wilberfan: what driver are you using? did you update your lirc modules? |
| [04:08:36] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, 200 GB will be a good start, enjoy |
| [04:09:20] | Dagmar: | Lord |
| [04:09:30] | Dagmar: | I think I'm beginning to regret switching to low TDP CPUs |
| [04:09:41] | Dagmar: | It's freaking COLD in here and the computers aren't helping a damn bit |
| [04:10:04] | Dagmar: | THe weather noob says it's going to get above freezing maybe next week |
| [04:10:04] | [R]: | Dagmar: lol |
| [04:10:13] | [R]: | Dagmar: its 64 outside here |
| [04:10:19] | Dagmar: | Winter has decided to be ham-fisted about it this year |
| [04:10:39] | Dagmar: | Usually in TN about every fourth day will be a good 20 degree difference |
| [04:11:02] | Dagmar: | They're projecting this week's high to be 30F and the low to be 9F |
| [04:11:13] | [R]: | you'll freeze |
| [04:11:14] | Dagmar: | I'd better buy all the milk, bread, and eggs I can |
| [04:11:47] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; But you are certain this card will work? Would be a bitch to buy the pig in the sack so to speak |
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| [04:12:00] | Dagmar: | I'm going to give the landlord a double rent payment tomorrow, cuz I just *ain't* goin' out in February for anything more than I absolutely have to if it's going to be ilke this all winter |
| [04:12:17] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:12:29] | [R]: | well you'll have to go out in feb |
| [04:12:31] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, Do I personally have one plugged into my MythBox? No. Myth doesn't provide support for devices, linuxtv/v4l does-- so if they say it's supported, I have to trust them |
| [04:12:33] | [R]: | to check your shadow |
| [04:12:36] | [R]: | :) |
| [04:12:44] | clever: | Dagmar: its abnormaly warm up in canada |
| [04:13:26] | clever: | the snow is almost all melted, usualy we have more by now |
| [04:14:26] | Dagmar: | clever: http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wtvf/skycam/7day.jpg |
| [04:14:40] | Dagmar: | Give us our heat back |
| [04:14:59] | clever: | give us our cold back first! |
| [04:15:15] | Dagmar: | I will glady do so |
| [04:15:20] | Dagmar: | er gladly |
| [04:15:22] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: yeah, i find myself getting cold at night since i moved my server to the basement |
| [04:15:30] | wagnerrp: | i need to fire up a couple of these old machines |
| [04:15:31] | Lexridge: | this cold air in WV is really getting old |
| [04:15:51] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I do believe on my next off day I'll be investing in some more of that spray foam and plastic sheeting |
| [04:16:02] | Dagmar: | Gonna seal up the outlets and window in the lab |
| [04:16:11] | [R]: | how often is it going to auto expire livetv? |
| [04:16:20] | wagnerrp: | 24 hours |
| [04:16:26] | wagnerrp: | supposedly |
| [04:16:28] | iamlindoro: | or when needed, whichever is sooner |
| [04:16:37] | wagnerrp: | i seem to have some livetv around from over a year ago |
| [04:16:43] | jolaren: | iamlindoro; I am finding alot of terratec card on the website you provided but none with the exact same name |
| [04:17:20] | [R]: | i froget... how big did you say a full bitrate hdpvr 30 minute recording is gonna be? |
| [04:17:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive got a livetv i cant delete at all |
| [04:17:32] | clever: | the backend refuses to remove the reference |
| [04:17:34] | wagnerrp: | [R]: 13mbps |
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| [04:17:48] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'm terrible at math... remember? |
| [04:17:57] | wagnerrp: | roughly 3GB |
| [04:18:07] | [R]: | so 15gb for a livetv partition sounds good? |
| [04:18:07] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, Well you want to find a device that is explicitly supported |
| [04:18:16] | wagnerrp: | why bother? |
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| [04:18:27] | [R]: | i've read all this horrible stuff about fragmentation |
| [04:18:39] | [R]: | does it not matter? |
| [04:18:51] | wagnerrp: | are you recording multiple things simultaneously |
| [04:18:58] | [R]: | i might be |
| [04:19:00] | [R]: | i have 2 tuners |
| [04:19:06] | [R]: | but i plan on having 3 total partitinos |
| [04:19:14] | [R]: | 4 if i have a seperate for litv |
| [04:19:29] | clever: | mythbackend is aware of the IO usage its creating, and will try to balance things across storage groups |
| [04:19:44] | [R]: | i'm worried about small files from livetv |
| [04:19:55] | clever: | though on ocasion, it will 'balance' recordings onto the drive with 5mb free:P |
| [04:20:03] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as small files as far as mythtv is concerned |
| [04:20:11] | [R]: | wagnerrp: a 10 minute recording |
| [04:20:15] | Dagmar: | Dude you're going to need a few *thousand* small files before it'll matter |
| [04:20:33] | wagnerrp: | [R]: youre going to be pulling roughly 100MB/min |
| [04:21:00] | clever: | xfs helps with fragmentation, i can easily defrag it live |
| [04:21:29] | [R]: | so i have a /mythtv/{livetv,recordings} and then i have 2 extra drives i was gonna make /mythtv/recordings2 and /mythtv/recordings3 |
| [04:21:44] | [R]: | does that sound ok? |
| [04:21:51] | clever: | [R]: also, make the storage group a SUBDIR of the mount point |
| [04:22:19] | [R]: | clever: # of files in the root dir? |
| [04:22:22] | clever: | if it fails to mount for whatever reason, the whole directory will disapear, and mythbackend will refuse to use that dir |
| [04:22:30] | [R]: | ah.. that makes sense |
| [04:22:36] | clever: | if you dont do that, it will write to a dir root owns |
| [04:22:38] | clever: | and fail hard |
| [04:23:19] | clever: | ive got most of my NFS storage groups setup like /media/redhat/recordings and /media/videos/15tb/myth/ |
| [04:23:37] | clever: | FAT is the only FS i know of with stupid limits to # of files in the root dir |
| [04:23:50] | clever: | which is a pain when your mp3 player cant handle sub-dir's |
| [04:24:00] | clever: | 2gig chip and it can only hold 200mb of songs |
| [04:24:16] | wagnerrp: | thats named rather ambitious isnt it? |
| [04:24:28] | clever: | wagnerrp: its the 1.5tb drive |
| [04:24:34] | clever: | but . is on the other side of the keyboard |
| [04:24:45] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [04:24:49] | [R]: | but if i leave the directories like i just laid out... coudln't myth theoretically record a livetv and a recording to the /mythtv partition at once? |
| [04:25:14] | clever: | depends on what you do with the livetv storage group |
| [04:25:28] | clever: | if you add anything to that, it may refuse to use any other place for livetv |
| [04:26:02] | clever: | the only reason i can see for a livetv storage group, is so when the ${WIFE} leaves livetv on for the night, it doesnt overflow the drive and expire everything out of the way |
| [04:26:15] | [R]: | oh... so livetv storage group is useless? |
| [04:26:31] | clever: | some people think livetv == normal tv, and just leave it on 24/7 |
| [04:26:40] | [R]: | oh, i never do taht |
| [04:27:12] | clever: | probly wont need a livetv storage group then |
| [04:27:14] | [R]: | well my backend isn't gonna be idle tongiht i think |
| [04:27:23] | [R]: | hopepfully it'll be idle tomorrow night |
| [04:27:37] | clever: | i need to check on mine, its been recording for several days while i was away |
| [04:27:44] | clever: | recordings are starting to pile up again |
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| [04:32:11] | clever: | whats worse, is that i shut off the flagging box while i was gone |
| [04:32:23] | clever: | so its been flagging for the last ~50 hours |
| [04:32:28] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:32:39] | clever: | poor old 1ghz laptop:P |
| [04:33:13] | clever: | is that a new ep of mythbusters i see...? |
| [04:35:47] | clever: | nope |
| [04:36:03] | [R]: | so how does /mythtv/sg{1..3}/recordings/ sound? |
| [04:36:27] | clever: | that looks good |
| [04:36:44] | [R]: | /mythtv is one mount point... /mythtv/sg2 and /mythtv/sg3 will be the other points |
| [04:36:59] | clever: | that could be a problem |
| [04:37:04] | [R]: | why? |
| [04:37:12] | clever: | if /mythtv fails to mount, the rest wont have a dir to mount to |
| [04:37:22] | clever: | and if you do mount /mythtv later on, it will cover the others up |
| [04:37:37] | [R]: | it won't cover anything |
| [04:37:40] | [R]: | since they won't be able to mount |
| [04:37:42] | Dagmar: | "the admin is an idiot" is a bad failure state to plan for |
| [04:37:59] | Dagmar: | If you actually put the mount order numbers in fstab like you're supposed to, it won't be a problem |
| [04:38:22] | clever: | i'm not even using fstab for 60% of my mounts |
| [04:38:24] | clever: | rc.local! |
| [04:38:30] | Dagmar: | Then you are a fool. |
| [04:38:47] | clever: | its a shared root over nfs |
| [04:38:54] | clever: | i need to customize the mounts for each host |
| [04:39:05] | jolaren: | I seem to have gotten this wrong. Dvb-t isn't supporting cards right? Like a card from boxer or viasat |
| [04:39:24] | clever: | on media, its /dev/media/1tb on /media/videos/1tb/, but on every other host, its media:/media/vidoes/1tb |
| [04:39:25] | Dagmar: | So your root problem is that you're _not_ making /etc unique for each machine |
| [04:39:38] | clever: | cant easily have 2 things pointing to 1 mount point in fstab |
| [04:39:53] | clever: | yeah, seperate /etc's would also fix it |
| [04:40:08] | clever: | but i wasnt planning that far ahead when i started this whole mess |
| [04:40:22] | clever: | ive been looking at redoing it properly, with gentoo |
| [04:42:05] | clever: | the latest thing ive worked on and learned alot from, is loading firmware without udev |
| [04:42:34] | [R]: | i always thought the kernel did that |
| [04:42:49] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [04:42:58] | Dagmar: | udev and HAL handle all that stuff now |
| [04:43:11] | clever: | the kernel sends an event down to udev/hotplug |
| [04:43:19] | clever: | a rule in udev then runs firmware.sh |
| [04:43:23] | wagnerrp: | 'breaking news.... its snowing outside'... yeah, thanks |
| [04:43:26] | clever: | and firmware.sh does the actual finding&loading |
| [04:43:43] | [R]: | interesting |
| [04:44:02] | jolaren: | If I have a usb dvb-t device.. and a boxer card built in a CA module. How do i Connect these two and the antenna? |
| [04:44:12] | clever: | i stole the firmware.sh and wrote a tiny bash script to replace udev |
| [04:44:21] | clever: | then i just echo the path of the bash script > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| [04:44:43] | clever: | the kernel runs my script seemingly at random, and i use the ENV to figure out what to do |
| [04:44:46] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:45:01] | [R]: | jolaren: i belive you need a dvb device with a cam module |
| [04:45:05] | clever: | bigest problem i had, was not checking ACTION=add |
| [04:45:16] | clever: | so i loaded the firmware files twice each (on add and then remove!) |
| [04:45:43] | jolaren: | <[R]> thanks |
| [04:45:55] | clever: | and there is no mechanism to tell the driver which file i'm uploading |
| [04:46:08] | [R]: | i love how i can record two things at once even though my second tuner is just the local channels |
| [04:46:11] | clever: | so it got file #1 when it was expecting file #2 |
| [04:47:22] | clever: | in the end, i got wireless 'working' within my initrd |
| [04:48:15] | [R]: | if you just had a better wireless adapter |
| [04:48:18] | Claviceps: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette |
| [04:48:23] | [R]: | i got wpa in my initrd |
| [04:48:28] | Claviceps: | $100,000 A ROUND |
| [04:48:30] | Claviceps: | I'LL PLAY ANYONE |
| [04:48:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i think its about fime |
| [04:48:52] | clever: | [R]: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) |
| [04:48:58] | ** Claviceps MAKES UP A TOOTHPASTE PACKAGE BOMB ** | |
| [04:49:06] | clever: | [R]: from what ive read, this card is capable of mesh networking, even when the host is totaly powered off |
| [04:49:06] | [R]: | clever: and? |
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| [04:49:11] | jolaren: | [R] can you reccomend a card? Im having troubles finding that sort |
| [04:49:16] | [R]: | clever: but you need firmware... |
| [04:49:17] | clever: | [R]: the card can route/relay packets fully on its own |
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| [04:49:23] | iamlindoro: | shazam |
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| [04:49:30] | clever: | yeah, id need the firmware for that, but its a very capable card |
| [04:49:33] | [R]: | jolaren: tvlinux.org has a list of devices |
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| [04:50:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I stared at the word "fime" for a long long moment without reading the context |
| [04:50:13] | jolaren: | [R] that page appears to be down |
| [04:50:27] | clever: | [R]: once i sorted the firmware files out and got it working, its been a ton better then ndiswrapper |
| [04:50:37] | wagnerrp: | from this distance, i didnt even see the hook at the top to know i had mispelled |
| [04:50:41] | [R]: | of course its beteter than ndiswrapper |
| [04:50:56] | [R]: | jolaren: haha... i menat linuxtv.org |
| [04:51:17] | clever: | [R]: ive also read over the driver source code, and it has support for loading open source firmware |
| [04:51:23] | clever: | which could be fun to play with |
| [04:51:42] | ** [R] ponders if this girl lost weight ** | |
| [04:51:52] | ** [R] loves this show ** | |
| [04:52:17] | wagnerrp: | youre not watching that show about losers are you? |
| [04:52:24] | jolaren: | [R] Not findin a thing ! :( |
| [04:52:39] | [R]: | jolaren: the website most defintely works... i just went there |
| [04:52:41] | [R]: | wagnerrp: no |
| [04:52:59] | [R]: | wagnerrp: its one of those dramas |
| [04:53:05] | jolaren: | [R] it does work indeed, but it does not make me any wiser |
| [04:53:12] | [R]: | jolaren: then yo uddint read it |
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| [05:02:46] | jolaren: | will Anysee E30 Plus work in mythbuntu? |
| [05:03:14] | [R]: | i hate when these stupid channel previews screw up the comm flagger |
| [05:03:19] | [R]: | jolaren: what is an anysee e30 plus? |
| [05:03:25] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=anysee+e30+linux+driver |
| [05:03:31] | Dagmar: | That should answer it one way or another |
| [05:03:36] | [R]: | Dagmar: do you not know of lmgtfy? |
| [05:03:57] | Dagmar: | Too much clicking |
| [05:04:00] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:04:09] | [R]: | but its funnier |
| [05:04:28] | wagnerrp: | and you can wind up for it better |
| [05:04:31] | wilberfan: | anyone have a working lirc specifically with the 2.6.32 <--- kernel...? |
| [05:04:59] | wilberfan: | maybe i should add "debian-based"? |
| [05:05:13] | Dagmar: | Did you _recompile it_ to work with the new kernel? |
| [05:05:26] | Dagmar: | If it requires a kernel-mode driver, it'll need to be recompiled |
| [05:05:32] | jolaren: | Dagmar; I did that myself but couldnt find a thread posted from before 2006, but thanks anyways |
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| [05:05:48] | Dagmar: | jolaren: Then just download and boot their ISO and find out |
| [05:05:52] | Dagmar: | It's a live CD |
| [05:06:07] | jolaren: | Dagmar; Need to buy it first |
| [05:08:17] | jolaren: | Thats why I am asking, so I know which card to buy |
| [05:09:32] | Dagmar: | Well, let's put it this way |
| [05:09:35] | Dagmar: | No one here has the device |
| [05:09:40] | Dagmar: | Google is your only hope. |
| [05:10:10] | Dagmar: | If you can't be bothered to read and read and read until you find out for sure, you should probably just buy a TiVo |
| [05:10:17] | Dagmar: | MythTV involves a LOT of research |
| [05:10:32] | Dagmar: | In this case, I'm guesstimating "Read and read and read" to take about an hour |
| [05:10:46] | jolaren: | Let's put it this way.. Can anyone recomend a dvb device which is good? I'm certain one of you has atleast one |
| [05:10:57] | Dagmar: | That's on the wiki. |
| [05:11:43] | Dagmar: | You still need to read up more, too. |
| [05:12:13] | Dagmar: | Even *I* know that there's very little crossover between the two types of DVB, and you're not asking about any specific type |
| [05:12:30] | Dagmar: | The more you know about what you are trying to tune in, the easier it gets |
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| [05:12:58] | [R]: | jolaren: i told you... the linux tv website has lists |
| [05:13:21] | jolaren: | You did, and I'm asking if someone can recomend one. There's so many. |
| [05:13:40] | [R]: | find one that says it works... and get it |
| [05:14:00] | Shadow__X: | aslong as it works it works |
| [05:15:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for #7858. Just found an awesome use for it--it allows me to remove the rename support from mythrename.pl (leaving only a "back to defaults") and fix about 4 tickets (too long filenames, charset issues in filenames, ... that are all caused by mythrename.pl's changing filenames in the DB) |
| [05:15:27] | Dagmar: | Allow me to paint a picture of the future |
| [05:15:41] | Dagmar: | You ask for recommendations, someone gives you one, not knowing what you're trying to tune in |
| [05:15:45] | Dagmar: | Things don't work out |
| [05:15:54] | Dagmar: | You go back to them and say "This doesn't work!" |
| [05:15:59] | Dagmar: | They say "That's your problem" |
| [05:16:03] | Dagmar: | _Research_. |
| [05:16:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not sure how that would have any effect |
| [05:16:39] | wagnerrp: | can some stuff not handle a symlink? |
| [05:17:18] | Shadow__X: | Dagmar: thats scary its almost as if you have seen this before |
| [05:17:24] | Dagmar: | Many, many times. |
| [05:18:07] | Dagmar: | The dvb stuff in particular is a huge pain until you know exactly what to look for |
| [05:19:00] | Shadow__X: | i am surehmm right hence the research people should honestly know what they are getting thenselves into |
| [05:19:21] | Dagmar: | It also makes it just a crapton easier to figure the rest out |
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| [05:20:21] | Dagmar: | What's the saying again? "Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day--set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" |
| [05:20:23] | Dagmar: | No wait... |
| [05:20:34] | Dagmar: | It's something to do with fishes |
| [05:20:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:21:41] | wagnerrp: | throw a man to the fishes, and hell never be thirsty again? |
| [05:21:58] | Dagmar: | Pretty sure it's got something to do with fishhooks |
| [05:22:26] | [R]: | give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime |
| [05:22:27] | ** wagnerrp has nightmares about fishhooks ** | |
| [05:22:57] | [R]: | although i dont think 1 fish would feed a man for a day |
| [05:23:13] | wagnerrp: | swordfish? |
| [05:23:19] | Dagmar: | Not all fish are about the size of your hand |
| [05:23:23] | wagnerrp: | even tuna are pretty massive |
| [05:23:25] | [R]: | well i hate fish |
| [05:23:25] | Dagmar: | There's some catfish that would just terrify you |
| [05:23:35] | [R]: | although i like tuna |
| [05:23:37] | wagnerrp: | little five year old kid decided he was going fly fishing |
| [05:23:38] | [R]: | and smoked salmon |
| [05:23:43] | Dagmar: | I remember an old weatherman around here who became pretty obese later in life |
| [05:23:50] | wagnerrp: | snagged me in the neck on his back swing |
| [05:23:53] | Dagmar: | He wound up on the early AM fishing show frequently |
| [05:24:14] | Dagmar: | He'd pull a freaking 40lb bass out of the water and say something like "Well, that's going to make me a pretty nice lunch!" |
| [05:24:36] | Dagmar: | You could see the nervous eye-contact from the other two fishermen thinking "Holy crap that would feed a family for a few days" |
| [05:25:03] | wagnerrp: | i saw a bunch of fourth graders snag a dead catfish once, drug it up onto the back of their pedal boat |
| [05:25:19] | wagnerrp: | thing was 4ft long, and must have been festering for over a week |
| [05:25:39] | wagnerrp: | oozing some nasty bile, worst smelling thing ive ever come across in my life |
| [05:26:07] | [R]: | well 1 commerical out of like 6 didn't stop too early |
| [05:32:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I meant that now that there's a good alternative to mythrename.pl for people who don't like the symlinks, we can take out the rename stuff, which is causing a lot of problems |
| [05:32:54] | wagnerrp: | who wouldnt like symlinks |
| [05:33:08] | sphery: | good question |
| [05:33:12] | Dagmar: | Communists. |
| [05:33:15] | wagnerrp: | oh but sphery, theyre just too fake for my tastes |
| [05:33:16] | Dagmar: | That's who. |
| [05:33:20] | sphery: | but for some reason, some people keep corrupting their DB and changing names |
| [05:33:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:36:53] | npm: | will mythtv work well on this card NVIDIA GeForce GT 220: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 20&num=1 ... and how's the VDPAU support work |
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| [05:37:06] | Dagmar: | Should work fine |
| [05:37:14] | Dagmar: | Check the VDPAU page on the wiki |
| [05:37:32] | npm: | including in opengl mode with a fancy skin? |
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| [05:38:25] | Dagmar: | Dude any POS card could do that |
| [05:38:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well over the course of two hours of tv tonight, its only pulled about a minute of CPU |
| [05:38:42] | Dagmar: | Literally an old 5200 could handle that part |
| [05:38:52] | Dagmar: | It's the 220 that makes the VDPAU work well |
| [05:39:12] | wagnerrp: | and thats with a 30 second full refresh, and 5 seconds for individual file attributes |
| [05:41:04] | [R]: | Total Space: 1,211,166 MB |
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| [05:51:52] | wagnerrp: | whoops, the script is set up to pull new attributes if the current data is *less* than five seconds old |
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| [07:50:16] | Gumby: | I am running 0.22.0+fixes22594 on mythbuntu karmic. When I go to the view the guide I see only black with the small video preview window and that is it. Has anyone seen this before? |
| [07:51:56] | Gumby: | It does it on both the mythbuntu (widescreen) theme as well as mythcenter (Widescreen) |
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| [08:36:20] | achandra: | hi guys, i have strange annoyance with the volume display in the top right hand corner of the screen not disappearing after raising or lowering via mce remote on mythbuntu. Any ideas on how to resolve the issue? |
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| [09:03:32] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, I have a strange problem. I'm running 0.22, and when I delete a recording it won't actually delete until I watch it and exit. So process goes: Media Library->Watch Recordings->Select Recording->Info->Delete->Confirm. But it still shows up. So I select the program to watch it, then exit the recording, and it disappears. |
| [09:05:13] | [R]: | how long did you wait for it to disapear? |
| [09:05:36] | ServerSage: | I'm still waiting for some to disappear, and it's been about 4 hours. :) |
| [09:05:53] | ServerSage: | And I stand corrected, the ones I watched that disappeared have reappeared. |
| [09:06:03] | [R]: | theres an option |
| [09:06:04] | ServerSage: | So they aren't really deleting. |
| [09:06:10] | [R]: | about marking deleted recordingds as auto expire |
| [09:06:12] | [R]: | instead of actually deleting them |
| [09:06:21] | ServerSage: | I have the "Auto expire instead of delete" unchecked. |
| [09:06:38] | [R]: | weird |
| [09:07:56] | ServerSage: | Indeed. And neither the frontend or backend are giving useful information. |
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| [09:09:37] | Gumby: | I am running 0.22.0+fixes22594 on mythbuntu karmic. When I go to the view the guide I see only black with the small video preview window and that is it. Has anyone seen this before? It does it in any theme/osd I use |
| [09:09:58] | Gumby: | Logs dont seem to tell me anything |
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| [09:12:48] | Gumby: | change logs to verbose... |
| [09:13:18] | Gumby: | http://pastebin.ca/1738537 |
| [09:26:55] | _ben: | in theory, two cards, dvb-t and dvb-s should co-exist nicely right? |
| [09:28:55] | Gumby: | Ive had multiple DVB-s cards working. 3 different brands in one pc |
| [09:29:40] | _ben: | cool |
| [09:29:46] | _ben: | just planning a new myth backend :) |
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| [09:59:12] | Elwell: | is thetvdb down? Forums seem up but not the website (or more importantly, lookups) |
| [10:00:54] | Elwell: | ah – discovered that there are 4 pages of posts on the 'site outage today' thread... |
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| [10:43:12] | freakwent: | i have 2 tv cards with IR sockets but lircreckonsit can't find any hardware. |
| [10:44:05] | freakwent: | I've got /dev/input[0–4] and 0&1 are mouse & kbrd |
| [10:44:17] | freakwent: | do you guys have any helpful advice? |
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| [10:47:26] | freakwent: | hm... |
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| [11:17:57] | okolsi: | blaah.. finally found a decent looking RF remote (SnapStream Firefly), but then cannot find any dealers within EU.. so frustrating |
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| [12:59:04] | _kopsu_: | I'm using mythtv as upnp server for ps3. |
| [12:59:59] | _kopsu_: | videos and recordings playback fine but mp3 playback is choppy, seems like buffering problem. |
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| [14:35:31] | lexje: | Looking for help configuring a HVR-4000 card |
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| [15:02:06] | ivor: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-4000 looks like a good starting point |
| [15:03:55] | lexje: | ivor: Have followed through on that one – got it working but am trying to reproduce now – channel scanning won't give any channel whereas Kaffeine does work and receive :-( |
| [15:06:10] | ivor: | no idea. any helpful errors/messages in the log during scanning |
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| [15:06:50] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: you're running MythTV 0.22, right? |
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| [15:06:59] | devinheitmueller: | (because dvb-s2 isn't supported in 0.21) |
| [15:07:41] | lexje: | 0.22 right, and only dvb-t at the moment |
| [15:08:04] | devinheitmueller: | any errors showing up in dmesg when attempting the scan? |
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| [15:08:44] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: no errors in dmesg |
| [15:09:09] | devinheitmueller: | :-/ |
| [15:09:27] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: I even compared md5sum of dvb-fe-cx firmware |
| [15:09:39] | devinheitmueller: | It's probably not the firmware if it is working in Kaffeine. |
| [15:09:56] | devinheitmueller: | Probably some difference in the way the scan is being performed. |
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| [15:10:04] | devinheitmueller: | Have you tried increasing the tuning timeout? |
| [15:10:51] | ivor: | anything useful/interesting logged from mythtv-setup during the scan? |
| [15:11:27] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: No I haven't yet – in my working install I did not either - |
| [15:11:59] | lexje: | What if my country is not listed? I chose France as this seems similar (PAL) |
| [15:12:03] | devinheitmueller: | What do you mean by "working install"? Do you have the HVR-4000 working in some other machine with MythTV? |
| [15:12:32] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: Yes, I need to reproduce this... |
| [15:12:34] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: well, if your country is not showing up, that would definitely explain why the scan fails. The country you pick dictates which frequencies are scanned. |
| [15:12:58] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: which country are you in? |
| [15:13:25] | lexje: | I already thought so – but previously it worked using France – Is there a way to scan all? (I'm in Belgium) |
| [15:13:46] | devinheitmueller: | There is no "scan all". Most countries have their own set of defined frequencies. |
| [15:14:13] | DjMadness: | Anyone else have issues with discovery channel not getting commercial skip ? |
| [15:14:17] | ivor: | you could use the dvb-util scan to create a channels.conf and import. |
| [15:14:29] | DjMadness: | I've ofcource activated all methods to skip |
| [15:14:43] | lexje: | Where are these located? Mythconverg I guess... |
| [15:15:35] | lexje: | Trying scan now – but how can I check the format of channels.conf is OK? |
| [15:17:56] | stuarta: | ivor: i would prefer people actually help us fix problems with the scanner rather than push people to importing channels.conf |
| [15:18:59] | lexje: | stuarta: be glad to help or test if I can – I've been fighting this HVR-4000 for over a month now |
| [15:19:58] | stuarta: | does it lock onto any multiplexes when it does the scan? |
| [15:20:04] | lexje: | Previously I just tried to hg clone http://linuxtv.org but at a certain moment that did not work at anymoreThen |
| [15:20:46] | lexje: | dcerouter_1005934:/usr/local/src/dvb-apps# scan -f 1 /home/linuxmce/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvb-t/be-Schoten > channels.conf |
| [15:20:46] | lexje: | scanning /home/linuxmce/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvb-t/be-Schoten |
| [15:20:46] | lexje: | using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| [15:20:46] | lexje: | initial transponder 506000000 0 2 9 3 1 0 0 |
| [15:20:46] | lexje: | >>> tune to: 506000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_AUTO:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_MO DE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE |
| [15:20:49] | lexje: | Network Name 'VRTmux1' |
| [15:20:51] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1010: pmt_pid 0x1010 VRT — EEN (running) |
| [15:20:53] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1020: pmt_pid 0x1020 VRT — Canvas/Ketnet (running) |
| [15:20:55] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1030: pmt_pid 0x1030 VRT — EEN+ (running) |
| [15:20:57] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1040: pmt_pid 0x1040 VRT — Radio 1 (running) |
| [15:20:58] | stuarta: | please use a pastebin |
| [15:20:59] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1050: pmt_pid 0x1050 VRT — Radio 2 (running) |
| [15:21:01] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1060: pmt_pid 0x1060 VRT — Klara (running) |
| [15:21:03] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1070: pmt_pid 0x1070 VRT — Studio Brussel (running) |
| [15:21:05] | stuarta: | and i want to know about mythtv |
| [15:21:05] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1080: pmt_pid 0x1080 VRT — MNM (running) |
| [15:21:06] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: STOP! |
| [15:21:09] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x1090: pmt_pid 0x1090 VRT — Klara Continuo (running) |
| [15:21:10] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: use pastebin. |
| [15:21:11] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x10a0: pmt_pid 0x10a0 VRT — Sporza (running) |
| [15:21:13] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x10b0: pmt_pid 0x10b0 VRT — Canvas+/Ketnet+ (running) |
| [15:21:15] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x10c0: pmt_pid 0x10c0 VRT — Nieuws+ (running) |
| [15:21:17] | lexje: | 0x0000 0x10d0: pmt_pid 0x10d0 VRT — MNM Hits (running) |
| [15:21:19] | lexje: | >>> tune to: 482000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_1_2:FEC_1_2:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_MOD E_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_4:HIERARCHY_NONE |
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| [15:21:22] | lexje: | Network Name 'VRTmux1' |
| [15:21:24] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1010: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — EEN (running) |
| [15:21:26] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1020: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Canvas/Ketnet (running) |
| [15:21:28] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1030: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — EEN+ (running) |
| [15:21:30] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1040: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Radio 1 (running) |
| [15:21:32] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1050: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Radio 2 (running) |
| [15:21:34] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1060: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Klara (running) |
| [15:21:38] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1070: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Studio Brussel (running) |
| [15:21:40] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1080: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — MNM (running) |
| [15:21:42] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x1090: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Klara Continuo (running) |
| [15:21:44] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x10a0: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Sporza (running) |
| [15:21:46] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x10b0: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Canvas+/Ketnet+ (running) |
| [15:21:48] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x10c0: pmt_pid 0x0000 VRT — Nieuws+ (running) |
| [15:21:48] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o stuarta | |
| [15:21:50] | lexje: | 0x0001 0x10d0: pmt_pid 0x0000 |
| [15:21:52] | lexje: | Sorry, I'm not experienced in this – Do you want me to put this in pastebin? |
| [15:22:05] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: yes. Never paste raw output into an irc window. |
| [15:22:13] | lexje: | stuarta: what do you want to know |
| [15:22:16] | Mode for #mythtv-users by stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta : -o stuarta | |
| [15:22:27] | stuarta: | does it lock onto any multiplexes when it does the scan? |
| [15:22:33] | stuarta: | it being mythtv |
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| [15:24:18] | lexje: | here's the pastebin url: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1738874 |
| [15:25:07] | stuarta: | well that's the output from scan |
| [15:25:13] | stuarta: | what about mythtv? |
| [15:25:33] | stuarta: | run mythtv-setup with --verbose channelscan,channel,record,siparser |
| [15:25:44] | lexje: | stuarta: No it does not Lock – but I get 100% signalstrength |
| [15:26:02] | ** stuarta looks at something ** | |
| [15:26:16] | lexje: | stuarta: will do – but will take a couple of moments |
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| [15:37:37] | ** stuarta punches user asking for a backport of a fix that's not even been committed to trunk ** | |
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| [15:38:14] | devinheitmueller: | aren't users so great? |
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| [15:55:58] | lexje: | stuarta: mythtv-setup log is: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1738906 |
| [15:56:24] | lexje: | stuarta: the log is not completely posted as it seems too large to be accepted... |
| [15:57:05] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: you've got a 1000ms timeout. Definitely try increasing that to 2500ms and see if it starts working. |
| [15:57:21] | devinheitmueller: | .... some of these boards take much longer to lock than would be expected. |
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| [15:57:47] | devinheitmueller: | ... and if I recall, Kaffeine's default is 1500, which could explain why it worked there. |
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| [15:59:41] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: Thx, will try – scanning now |
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| [16:00:16] | lexje: | Is there any way to set up my own country for scanning? |
| [16:01:05] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: It's not working out – I know it should receive on channel 25 – and it doesn't |
| [16:01:56] | stuarta: | lexje: make a patch. |
| [16:02:16] | stuarta: | libs/libmythtv/frequencytables.cpp |
| [16:02:34] | stuarta: | although from looking at that, france should work |
| [16:03:34] | stuarta: | try a tuned scan |
| [16:03:53] | stuarta: | put in the parameters we know work |
| [16:04:15] | stuarta: | from your scan output -> 506000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_AUTO:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_MO DE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE |
| [16:10:00] | lexje: | okay, it failed too |
| [16:10:21] | stuarta: | did you get the --verbose output from that one? |
| [16:10:42] | lexje: | yes, will post in pastebin – just a sec |
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| [16:11:42] | lexje: | How many lines is allowed on pastebin? |
| [16:12:03] | stuarta: | no idea |
| [16:12:10] | stuarta: | isn't there a filebin somewhere? |
| [16:15:37] | lexje: | the new log output is here: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1738923 |
| [16:17:46] | stuarta: | that looks like the old one |
| [16:18:10] | stuarta: | can you restart mythtv-setup, and just do a tuned scan, and pastebin that log |
| [16:20:48] | lexje: | Trying a tuned scan – where do FEC_2_3 and FEC_AUTO go? |
| [16:21:00] | stuarta: | you can leave them out |
| [16:21:17] | stuarta: | most things can in fact be set to auto |
| [16:21:27] | lexje: | So I leave LP Coderate and HP Coderate on Auto |
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| [16:21:31] | iNick: | hiya all |
| [16:21:59] | lexje: | gives me: Error parsing parameters |
| [16:22:07] | stuarta: | lexje: yup, just set the freq to 506000000 (can't remember if it needs it in hz or khz |
| [16:22:14] | iNick: | i'm setting up the mythtv-backend on a headless (no VGA, no keyboard, etc) NAS box. by description, it should fit the needs of mythtv-backend |
| [16:22:18] | stuarta: | so it might be 506000 |
| [16:22:37] | iNick: | So in order to run mythtv-setup, a X11 GUI app, i'm using X11 forwarding |
| [16:23:09] | lexje: | My mistake – no error – but no channels either... will post at pastebin – ok, will try 506000 instead of 506000000 |
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| [16:23:30] | iNick: | i can get the app to show up on my XP console; but there is obviously something missing. I saw the font that's used when I tried Mythbuntu, and I think there's a missing font that it's looking for, what font is that? |
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| [16:25:17] | lexje: | No, it needs #6 zero's in the frequency – tried 482000000 also |
| [16:25:44] | stuarta: | you need a freq that works |
| [16:25:55] | stuarta: | from your first scan output 506Mhz looked good |
| [16:26:13] | stuarta: | and also 482Mhz |
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| [16:28:06] | lexje: | it's at pastebin: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1738942 |
| [16:29:16] | lexje: | If I would deliver the same logs from the working installation (same hardware, different harddisk) would you be able to see what's different? |
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| [16:30:06] | stuarta: | it's not seeing the signal for some reason |
| [16:30:38] | lexje: | stuarta: What can I do? |
| [16:32:33] | iNick: | what font is used in mythtv-setup — my screen just shows each char as a square block, any tips even to look it up myself? |
| [16:32:54] | stuarta: | iNick: what are you using as the xserver? |
| [16:33:02] | iNick: | x11-forwarding |
| [16:33:12] | iNick: | xming on winxp |
| [16:33:15] | stuarta: | no, thats how you are getting X off the server |
| [16:33:26] | stuarta: | xming as in xmingw? |
| [16:33:46] | iNick: | i've seen 'xmingw' but the package and install and binary are all called xming |
| [16:34:18] | iNick: | i don't think the freebsd ports system when installing the backend installs the full x11 / xorg kit. should i start with that first? |
| [16:34:22] | devinheitmueller: | stuarta: the logs don't print out the raw status from the driver? |
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| [16:34:40] | stuarta: | devinheitmueller: no |
| [16:34:42] | iNick: | s/backend/mythtv backend/ |
| [16:34:43] | devinheitmueller: | ouch. |
| [16:34:54] | stuarta: | iNick: i would just install all available fonts |
| [16:35:18] | iNick: | stuarta: hrm, interesting. let me work on that. |
| [16:35:20] | stuarta: | you need the fonts installed on your win machine not the server |
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| [16:36:20] | devinheitmueller: | The dvb status field would be a *really* good thing to be put into the logfile. |
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| [16:36:36] | iNick: | stuarta: when i ran the mythbuntu, the fonts showed up right (still did the same x11 forwarding) |
| [16:37:09] | iNick: | i have 124 missing components to xorg currently. standby |
| [16:37:43] | stuarta: | lexje: the only unusual thing i see in your setup is '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0' |
| [16:38:21] | devinheitmueller: | frontend1 is present because the device has multiple frontends. |
| [16:39:14] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: That is correct |
| [16:39:33] | iNick: | stuarta: the port install has missing dependencies it seems. standby, i'll update you when i figure out the trick |
| [16:39:41] | stuarta: | yes, i wouldn't expect that to be a problem tho |
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| [16:44:38] | lexje: | I'm trying to input filename on line: Scan to Import but can't seem to input any characters? |
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| [16:47:46] | lexje: | Okay, tried with importing channels.conf – NO RESULT EITHER :-( |
| [16:51:47] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, so your problem is not specific to scanning then. |
| [16:51:54] | devinheitmueller: | Interesting. |
| [16:52:11] | devinheitmueller: | And this channel tunes successfully in Kaffeine (using the same channels.conf)? |
| [16:52:35] | devinheitmueller: | Also, I assume we're talking about 482000000Hz, right? |
| [16:53:23] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: Kaffeine did all the channel scanning on its own – It finds the same channels something like 3 times or so, I guess on 482 and on 506 |
| [16:53:39] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
| [16:54:02] | lexje: | The other output (the first) I posted is from dvb-apps/scan cmd |
| [16:56:54] | devinheitmueller: | Probably what has to happen now is somebody would have to hack up the driver source a bit to dump out all the tuning parameters passed in, and then compare the parameters between tzap and a mythtv tuning attempt. |
| [16:57:42] | lexje: | Sounds like minor chinese :-) Can I help? |
| [16:57:49] | devinheitmueller: | The tuning attempt does go through without error, suggesting none of the inputs are invalid; probably just wrong. |
| [16:58:32] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: probably not. Somebody is going to have to hack up the source for you to test. |
| [16:59:09] | lexje: | Okay devinheitmueller, thanks for translating :-) |
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| [16:59:45] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: How can we take it from here? I guess this cannot be done online while waiting... |
| [17:00:11] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: your real problem is going to be finding someone who has the time/interest to help you. |
| [17:00:22] | stuarta: | time is the hard one |
| [17:01:18] | lexje: | I know there are quite some HVR-4000 users out there with this problem – Can payment help? |
| [17:01:28] | stuarta: | i suppose you could look at the lsof output from both mythtv-setup and kaffeine to make sure both are accessing the same devices |
| [17:01:54] | devinheitmueller: | The problem is not the number of HVR-4000 users – it's the number of HVR-4000 *developers*. |
| [17:01:57] | stuarta: | btw. have you search trac to see if there are any open tickets? |
| [17:02:18] | ** stuarta sets mode +dev -HVR_4000 ** | |
| [17:02:37] | lexje: | I am subscirbed to 2 bug reports – not much news there |
| [17:03:19] | lexje: | Could you explain a little howto lsof? |
| [17:03:22] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: People really seem not to understand "varies by driver/tuner" |
| [17:03:40] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Love the full explanation with the "is there a fix for this" response |
| [17:03:41] | stuarta: | lexje: lsof -p <pid of process> |
| [17:03:52] | lexje: | Also – can I help with comparing working system / non-working system? |
| [17:03:56] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: "Yes, yes, enough understanding, how can you fix it for me?" |
| [17:04:37] | stuarta: | lexje: do you have such a thing? |
| [17:05:08] | lexje: | stuarta: Yes, I have a 2nd harddisk – WORKING |
| [17:05:45] | stuarta: | then yes, comparing mythtv-setup outputs may be informative |
| [17:06:31] | lexje: | I guess I should do some lsof grepping? |
| [17:06:49] | lexje: | To find the correct pid that is |
| [17:06:58] | stuarta: | ps -ef | grep mythtv-setup |
| [17:07:04] | stuarta: | ps -ef | grep kaffeine |
| [17:07:08] | stuarta: | etc etc |
| [17:07:13] | lexje: | stuarta: Thx |
| [17:07:39] | lexje: | I'll reboot and switch harddisks and post at pastebin |
| [17:08:16] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I was confused by your statement, since I was behind on the ML traffic. I see it now. |
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| [17:14:06] | lexje: | What does this mean: sets mode +dev -HVR_4000? |
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| [17:21:46] | akv: | I have just added a second DBV-C card to my MythTV and it works perfectly...almost. I were watching a channel and had a recording that interrupted the channel i were watching and the recording grabbed my primary interface instead of taking the secondary that were available? |
| [17:21:47] | den0ts_: | hey I used to be able to fast forward in mythweb to the max buffer spot |
| [17:21:57] | den0ts_: | but now the videos play in some "flowplayer" |
| [17:22:02] | den0ts_: | and it doesnt let me fast forward |
| [17:22:10] | den0ts_: | and it doesnt show that its buffered beyond the current position |
| [17:22:12] | den0ts_: | any idea how to fix this? |
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| [17:25:45] | Dibblah: | Downgrade. |
| [17:26:17] | Dibblah: | Or fix flowplayer / the transcoding bit of Myth. |
| [17:28:23] | den0ts_: | hrmm downgrade what? |
| [17:29:07] | lexje: | stuarta: devinheitmueller : the mythtv-setup.real log of the WORKING HVR-4000 is at pastebin: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1739006 |
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| [17:29:35] | ** devinheitmueller looks ** | |
| [17:30:47] | lexje: | As you can see, I left the timing at default |
| [17:31:11] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, interesting. |
| [17:31:31] | devinheitmueller: | For 482MHz, here is the failed tune: |
| [17:31:31] | devinheitmueller: | Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1): New Params: 482000000 auto a auto auto a a auto n v fec: auto msys: UNDEFINED rolloff: 0.35 |
| [17:31:40] | devinheitmueller: | And here is the successful tune: |
| [17:31:42] | devinheitmueller: | Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1): New Params: 482000000 auto 0 auto auto 8 8 auto n v fec: auto msys: UNDEFINED rolloff: 0.35 |
| [17:33:39] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: Could you translate? |
| [17:34:16] | Dibblah: | Pastebin, damnit. |
| [17:34:27] | lexje: | I only see two 8 8 as a difference |
| [17:34:28] | devinheitmueller: | Well, I would have to see what the debug line is outputting exactly, but I would suspect whatever parameter is "8 8" in the good trace and "a a" in the bad trace is the culprit. |
| [17:34:51] | devinheitmueller: | Dibblah: do you really want me to pastebin one line? |
| [17:35:20] | Dibblah: | Easier to read as text in pastebin... |
| [17:35:21] | lexje: | Aha... And how can I get the debug line? |
| [17:35:38] | devinheitmueller: | Somebody would have to look at the MythTV source. |
| [17:35:48] | den0ts_: | so theres no way to make flowplayer not the player that i watch shows in mythweb with? |
| [17:35:52] | devinheitmueller: | Find where the debug line is logged, and see what the actual parameters are that are being logged. |
| [17:35:52] | den0ts_: | it used to use flashplayer |
| [17:36:03] | Dibblah: | flowplayer is a flash player... |
| [17:36:22] | lexje: | Can this be reversed – I mean – It seems like the input required for a tuned scan? |
| [17:36:33] | Dibblah: | Downgrading to 0.21 will get the old player back, AFAIK. |
| [17:36:57] | lexje: | More chinese: Find where the debug line is logged... How can I do that? |
| [17:37:11] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: find a mythtv developer. |
| [17:37:19] | den0ts_: | Dibblah yea but its not the same as the old one |
| [17:37:27] | den0ts_: | the old one i could fastforward to the buffer point |
| [17:37:32] | den0ts_: | downgrade mythtv? |
| [17:37:59] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: Ah, and stuarta send me over from #mythtv to here... :-) |
| [17:38:26] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: Also, the third parameter is "a" in the failed case and "0" in the good case. |
| [17:38:34] | lexje: | Do I need to file a report somewhere? |
| [17:38:47] | devinheitmueller: | Yup. You should probably open a bug in trac. |
| [17:39:04] | devinheitmueller: | Including both traces. |
| [17:39:25] | devinheitmueller: | (and pointing out the difference mentioned above) |
| [17:39:27] | iamlindoro: | That all sounds familiar |
| [17:39:37] | iamlindoro: | namely that some parameters for some cards cannot be auto |
| [17:39:40] | den0ts_: | Dibblah do i downgrade mythtv or what do i need to do to be able to fastforward in mythweb |
| [17:39:43] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: but how do I explain the difference between (at least to me) two identical installs? |
| [17:39:50] | iamlindoro: | which IIRC was not considered a bug the last time I saw it discussed |
| [17:40:11] | Dibblah: | den0ts_: I am not sure if you can just transplant the old player into current mythweb. I would doubt it. |
| [17:40:18] | iamlindoro: | Probably a fair amount of discussion on the dev and commits lists about it maybe three months ago, and janneg__ is the one who knows the exact issue IIRC |
| [17:40:19] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: it is not safe for an application to assume that all tuners support auto mode. |
| [17:40:48] | devinheitmueller: | My guess is one of the parameters if the FEC coderate. |
| [17:41:00] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Don't know that it makes an assumption one way or another, think it may just rely on the user to "know better," which is admittedly not the right response either |
| [17:41:04] | devinheitmueller: | I would have to look at the mythtv code to know definitively what the others are. |
| [17:41:22] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Well, this is the channel scanner, so all the inputs come from MythTV internally. |
| [17:41:42] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: hrm? Think the parameters are all user modifiable? |
| [17:41:55] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: it's not like the user is telling mythtv what coderate the channel scanner should be using. |
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| [17:42:28] | lexje: | iamlindoro: devinheitmueller : Are you discussing the HVR-4000 problem? |
| [17:42:43] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: ... and if it really did work in the past, then it is probably a regression. |
| [17:43:03] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: That part I doubt-- at least, in S2 mode |
| [17:43:14] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: this isn't S2. It's DVB-T. |
| [17:43:16] | iamlindoro: | and working with the patches that sat in trac and never got applied doesn't count :) |
| [17:43:40] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: lexje is showing us two traces, both provided by the MythTV channel scanner. |
| [17:43:47] | iamlindoro: | anyway, just quoting my dim recollection-- should search the dev list, this all strikes me as familiar |
| [17:44:03] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: what is the difference between the two systems? Same exact version of MythTV? Same exact kernel? Same exact version of v4l-dvb? |
| [17:45:05] | devinheitmueller: | brb |
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| [17:45:55] | den0ts_: | is there a way to copy the stream location and open it with a nother player so that I can fastfowrad? |
| [17:46:28] | lexje: | Both the same kernel, I did use hg clone -r 13486 as I have struggled over a week to find out something had changed – and I was unable to get Myth to work |
| [17:47:07] | Dibblah: | den0ts_: Flash streaming with mythweb is actually not supported, as you saw when you enabled it. |
| [17:48:51] | Dibblah: | The 8 8 is constellation and code-rate. |
| [17:50:12] | wagnerrp: | something going on with blackmesasource? their site is down |
| [17:50:17] | den0ts_: | huh? |
| [17:50:20] | den0ts_: | it works |
| [17:50:22] | den0ts_: | you have to enable it |
| [17:50:33] | den0ts_: | oh you mean you guys dont do support for it |
| [17:51:04] | wagnerrp: | when you enabled it, it said 'experimental' and 'unsupported' |
| [17:51:08] | wagnerrp: | its disabled by defaul |
| [17:51:09] | wagnerrp: | t |
| [17:51:15] | lexje: | Doing some lookup – it seems the kernel is different – 2.6.28-11-generic for the WORKING system |
| [17:51:18] | den0ts_: | schiesse |
| [17:52:17] | Dibblah: | And the non-working version? |
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| [17:55:35] | lexje: | Dibblah: Am looking but cannot find easy at hand – surely 2.6.27-16-gereric 'ish |
| [17:56:26] | devinheitmueller: | back. |
| [17:56:54] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it makes sense to identify what is different – even if the kernels are different if you have the *exact* same version of v4l-dvb installed it should probably be fine. |
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| [17:59:26] | devinheitmueller: | I'm not willing to say that it isn't some regression in v4l-dvb, but the fact that we see MythTV sending two different sets of frontend parameters is highly suspect (suggesting a change in behavior on the part of the application). |
| [18:02:19] | den0ts_: | any other good way to stream this media if i have a slow home connection |
| [18:02:28] | den0ts_: | in a way that i can fastforward to half way through |
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| [18:04:03] | wagnerrp: | you can probably cut and paste the old player in |
| [18:04:14] | den0ts_: | how do i go about that |
| [18:04:24] | wagnerrp: | i imagine the backend ffmpeg call is the same as before |
| [18:04:44] | wagnerrp: | open a text editor and start digging through the php code in mythweb |
| [18:05:06] | den0ts_: | yea i did view source on the stream page |
| [18:05:08] | den0ts_: | found the flv link |
| [18:05:09] | lexje: | devinheitmueller: I'm confused and amazed with the different kernel versions – Can I somehow see in some log when / how this kernel was upgraded? |
| [18:05:11] | den0ts_: | and i opened it in vlc |
| [18:05:15] | den0ts_: | i fastforwarded to half way |
| [18:05:19] | den0ts_: | but the buffer sucked |
| [18:05:32] | den0ts_: | it would play about 30 seconds, then it would stop and buffer again and it took over a minute to buffer back up |
| [18:05:37] | den0ts_: | i tried turning the bitrate down in mythweb |
| [18:05:44] | den0ts_: | now it isnt even playing at all in vlc |
| [18:05:47] | devinheitmueller: | lexje: not really. You could do an "ls -l" on some of the driver files, which will tell you *when*, but not what version. |
| [18:05:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, regardless of what you do, it WILL have to transcode the entire thing and upload it to you |
| [18:06:20] | wagnerrp: | thats just a function of the rather simplistic fashion in which it is performed |
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| [18:07:08] | wagnerrp: | it just runs ffmpeg, and dumps the stream directly to the web server |
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| [18:19:25] | programm1rq: | so, I have been eyeballing the acer revo, but I think I'd rather go for the ECS MD120. It's only $70-$100 more and it includes a better atom processor (atom 330) and an optical drive. |
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| [18:20:06] | programm1rq: | I can find very little about it online by way of reviews or people having successfully put linux and/or myth on it. |
| [18:20:09] | Makere: | is the pulse support fixed yet? |
| [18:20:38] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: shouldn't you be asking the PulseAudio people rather than the MythTV people? |
| [18:20:49] | Makere: | well it's only broken in mythtv |
| [18:20:55] | Makere: | so |
| [18:21:21] | wagnerrp: | its broken in mythtv because pulse does not properly emulate some of the calls mythtv makes to alse |
| [18:21:26] | Makere: | and as a sidenote, I don't know pulseaudio irc support |
| [18:21:38] | Makere: | pulseaudio irc channel* |
| [18:21:47] | Makere: | my brain skips alot today |
| [18:21:54] | wagnerrp: | there IS is custom pulseaudio output in mythtv, but for whatever reason it doesnt work either |
| [18:22:06] | wagnerrp: | so one or the other has to get fixed before pulse works |
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| [18:22:46] | Makere: | I think instead of "it's your problem!", mythtv and pulse devs should co-operate for a working solution |
| [18:23:00] | Makere: | but co-operation sounds like something impossible in open source world |
| [18:23:12] | wagnerrp: | none of the myth devs have any particular love or desire to use pulseaudio |
| [18:23:33] | wagnerrp: | so the motivation to work on it just isnt there |
| [18:23:42] | Makere: | so they're doing it the american way, doing it half-assed? :) |
| [18:23:48] | Makere: | like homer said |
| [18:24:02] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre just avoiding the issue because it doesnt concern them |
| [18:24:11] | Makere: | aka doing it half-assedly |
| [18:24:12] | Makere: | ;) |
| [18:24:15] | iamlindoro: | What country are you from which has presumably given us polished, perfect, community-loved features? |
| [18:24:16] | Makere: | meh |
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| [18:24:32] | iamlindoro: | And tell me more about your personal submissions |
| [18:24:44] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: nobody is paying the MythTV developers to make their code work. However, since the bug is in PulseAudio, and the PulseAudio developers *are* being paid, perhaps the onus should be on them to fix their bugs. |
| [18:24:54] | Makere: | they are? |
| [18:25:24] | _abbenormal: | the bigger ? should be why is pulseaudio being forced on us |
| [18:25:35] | Makere: | anyways the half-assed thingie is just a Homer Simpson quote |
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| [18:25:51] | Makere: | if someone was offended and never watched simpsons |
| [18:26:38] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: yes, Lennart Poettering, works for Red Hat, and the developers who incorporated the code into the larger distributions were paid by the vendors. |
| [18:27:08] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: and it's a PulseAudio bug – nobody has ever denied that, so maybe they should fix their bug. |
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| [18:28:03] | devinheitmueller: | It happens with MythTV because very few applications have any low-latency requirements (unlike things like MP3 players and sound widgets). That's why you don't see it with those. |
| [18:28:27] | devinheitmueller: | In fact, people with other low-latency applications like Skype have reported issues with Pulseaudio. |
| [18:28:35] | Makere: | I don't really see why mythtv has a low-latency requirement |
| [18:28:51] | Makere: | you could just delay the picture for the sound to catch up |
| [18:29:42] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: only when users like yourself scream at the PulseAudio developers will they be compelled to fix their bugs. |
| [18:30:08] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: And while you could delay the picture, that is a really bad idea for livetv, and it makes synchronization harder. |
| [18:30:12] | jst: | Makere, I'm not sure if you know this, but you can add "export EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO=1" to your .bashrc file. |
| [18:30:26] | Makere: | jst: that's not the problem really |
| [18:31:05] | Makere: | the problem is that mythtv doesn't disable the pulseaudio and causes the audio to dissappear after sometime of watching |
| [18:31:26] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: the point is, if your kernel was crashing whenever you tried to play TV, would you really be blaming MythTV? Of course not – you would be yelling at the kernel people. |
| [18:31:31] | martin__: | anyone know of any free tools for parsing an combined access_log file and adding it to a database? ever so slightly off topic, but just thought I'd ask... |
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| [18:32:25] | Makere: | devinheitmueller: well let's say you got few hundreds of applications, and only if that one crashes and kills your pc, what would you blame? |
| [18:32:49] | devinheitmueller: | Makere: if it crashes my PC, I would blame the operating system. No application should *ever* be able to bring down the whole system. |
| [18:33:00] | wagnerrp: | Makere: mythtv can and does delay the picture if the audio is falling behind |
| [18:33:13] | devinheitmueller: | The fact that a particular application exposes a bug in the operating system does not change the fact that the bug is in the operating system. |
| [18:33:32] | wagnerrp: | if you ever watch the logs when you start having playback issues, you might see something like 'audio/video is so many frames out of sync, reducing framerate) |
| [18:34:17] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that the functions that myth uses to figure out how much delay there is in ALSA do not exist in pulse's emulation of ALSA |
| [18:34:39] | wagnerrp: | if pulse emulated ALSA perfectly, there would be no problem |
| [18:34:50] | Makere: | hmm |
| [18:35:03] | Makere: | so where's pulseaudio channnel? |
| [18:35:12] | GreyFoxx: | #pulseaudio exists |
| [18:35:12] | wagnerrp: | maybe #pulseaudio? |
| [18:35:20] | GreyFoxx: | no idea if it's a "support" channel or what |
| [18:35:32] | devinheitmueller: | http://www.google.com/search?q=pulseaudio |
| [18:35:58] | Makere: | nobody is op'd in #pulseaudio hmm |
| [18:36:09] | iamlindoro: | You don't need an op |
| [18:36:10] | wagnerrp: | no one is op'd in here either |
| [18:36:21] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v GreyFoxx | |
| [18:36:49] | GreyFoxx: | some of us just don't feel the need to be opped unless a situation requires it :) |
| [18:37:06] | GreyFoxx: | if you are opped users tend to /msg you directly rather than ask in channel |
| [18:37:24] | iamlindoro: | Which is probably why nobody is opped there either |
| [18:38:03] | Makere: | well channels where I've been usually ban people who msg op without permission etc or something |
| [18:38:32] | wagnerrp: | why spend the effort and nuisance |
| [18:38:36] | GreyFoxx: | or you can save the trouble and just not op your self, unless you require the badge of "I havemore power than you" :) |
| [18:38:53] | GreyFoxx: | I work with several of those types :) |
| [18:39:27] | wagnerrp: | tell theyre needed in Greyskull |
| [18:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | hmmmm I think it's time to redo all my boxes. It's been a couple years since my last mass distro update |
| [18:42:03] | iamlindoro: | You mean being opped isn't a huge chick magnet? |
| [18:42:09] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
| [18:42:11] | martin__: | i work with those types too... oh wait.... I am one of those types :/ |
| [18:43:45] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: sorry, I misunderstood you the other day in reference to the 8400GS... forgot the G86 versions existed... what was Nvidia thinking |
| [18:44:30] | elmojo: | in fact there are also a variety of G98 versions that have different core and memory frequencies to make things even more confusing :) |
| [18:45:12] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: oh? ive only seen two different core frequencies on the 8400, the G86 one and the G98 one |
| [18:45:27] | wagnerrp: | 450MHz and 567MHz |
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| [18:46:48] | elmojo: | even boards with the same G98 have differences.... in fact the Nvidia reference board ran with a 500 MHz memory frequency where most retail cards had 400 MHz |
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| [18:48:58] | elmojo: | The cards with the 500MHz memory interfaces were able to do Temporal 2X on ATSC 1080i output to a 1080p display with no problem |
| [18:48:59] | iNick: | stuarta: ping |
| [18:49:17] | elmojo: | otherwise you need to use skipchroma |
| [18:50:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mine has 400MHz memory, although nvclock is reporting it runs at 612MHz |
| [18:50:43] | wagnerrp: | and 1512MHz for the shaders |
| [18:50:58] | wagnerrp: | even though its supposed to be running 567/1400 |
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| [19:13:01] | gizmobay: | In the schedule recordings -> program finder, if I haven't visited this area of myth for awhile, the program find area is slow to come up. I assume it's doing some type of query. |
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| [19:13:27] | gizmobay: | Is there away to speed this up with a cron job? |
| [19:14:11] | devinheitmueller: | gizmobay: maybe if the cron job automatically does an http request ordering a faster motherboard from NewEgg? |
| [19:14:21] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [19:14:35] | gizmobay: | fair enough. LOL |
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| [19:16:48] | devicenull: | the volume control inside mythtv doesn't actually do anything |
| [19:17:10] | devicenull: | any ideas? I get the volume display moving down, but no actual change in volume |
| [19:17:30] | sid3windr: | go into the settings and make myth change the correct mixer setting I think? |
| [19:17:34] | sid3windr: | or are you using spdif? |
| [19:18:21] | devicenull: | no spdif, but yea it's probably the wrong mixer |
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| [19:20:36] | devicenull: | yep that was it, thanks |
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| [19:30:19] | cannonfodder: | I am confused....I broke my lirc....I have a directv remote pretending to be a Microsoft windows media center remote and I have a homebrew serial IR receiver from IRBlaster on my mythbuntu box. In the mythbuntu control center, I set the remote to the "windows media center" which assumes a MSWMC usb rig, so I went to hardware.conf and changed from lirc_usbblah to lirc_serial |
| [19:30:43] | cannonfodder: | when I try irw, I get nothing....I am pretty sure those were the settings I had when I was using the serial receiver with a logitech harmony remote... I thought that the/usr/share/lirc/ remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb just details the expected codes, but IRW should be seeing codes, right? even if they are the wrong codes, right? |
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| [19:31:37] | cannonfodder: | I did have to change LOAD_MODULES="false" to get lircd to restart... |
| [19:31:57] | jams: | cannonfodder- if irw doesn't find the recieved code in the lircd.conf file it will ignore it |
| [19:32:22] | cannonfodder: | doh!!! |
| [19:33:07] | cannonfodder: | I am trying to get the directv remote to pretend it is something that lirc can understand |
| [19:33:17] | jams: | running mode2 will show if it's even receiving |
| [19:33:50] | jams: | or xmode2..whatever floats your boat |
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| [19:38:13] | cannonfodder: | what is this trying to tell me "mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| [19:38:15] | cannonfodder: | mode2: default_init(): No such file or directory" |
| [19:38:36] | cannonfodder: | sorry, I hate that in chatzilla... |
| [19:39:14] | cannonfodder: | in /dev I only have /dev/lircd |
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| [19:43:07] | cannonfodder: | sorry...wireless dropped me |
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| [19:47:12] | gimli: | cafuego: |
| [19:47:26] | gimli: | cannonfodder: did it also drop your connection ;) ? |
| [19:47:36] | mfm: | Hello everyone. I've been using MythTV (Mythbuntu 8.04) for some time now and decided to upgrade from my P3 1ghz two something more juicy (core 2 duo 2.8) and two Mythtv 0.22 (Mythbuntu 9.10). Most of the stuff worked almost out of the box (serial lirc, PVR-150, VDPAU) but... In Mythvideo .srt subtitles lose sync with video. Sync is recovered with pause or step forward. The files look ok if playing in VLC. Have you heard about it? |
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| [19:48:07] | jst: | Has anyone here ever updated v4l-dvb? I just did (ClearQAM on my HVR-1600 was choppy), and now I can't get a signal to lock... dmesg/modprobe cx18 looks fine. Busted card maybe? |
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| [19:48:56] | Guest51425: | hi..I have a problem with teletext subtitles: they are shown in the wrong place, in the middle of the screen, as if something tells them screen is smaller than it is (only teletext, otherwise myth works well) |
| [19:49:03] | Guest51425: | anyone got advice? |
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| [19:49:39] | devinheitmueller: | jst: did you reboot after the install of v4l-dvb? |
| [19:50:30] | jst: | Yes. |
| [19:50:42] | devinheitmueller: | any messages showing up in dmesg when attempting to tune? |
| [19:50:48] | jst: | No. :( |
| [19:50:56] | devinheitmueller: | Does azap work? |
| [19:51:00] | jst: | My 1800 was/is getting ATSC fine... so I swapped cables to make sure |
| [19:51:04] | jst: | I'm trying it now |
| [19:51:07] | jst: | well, ascan at least |
| [19:51:15] | devinheitmueller: | Try azap to a known-good frequency. |
| [19:51:21] | devinheitmueller: | (one that was working before the upgrade) |
| [19:51:40] | devinheitmueller: | Also, make sure the cable is connected to the "ATSC" input" and not the "TV" input. |
| [19:51:59] | jst: | Hmm... How do I find those frequencies? Channel editor? |
| [19:52:06] | jst: | Ok, checking the cable now just to be safe |
| [19:52:23] | devinheitmueller: | jst: you said it was working with ClearQAM before you upgrade. Use the channels.conf from before the upgrade. |
| [19:52:51] | devinheitmueller: | Also, are you failing to get lock on ClearQAM only? Or does it fail with ATSC as well? |
| [19:53:07] | jst: | ClearQAM only... |
| [19:53:11] | mfm: | Can't anyone help me? |
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| [19:53:45] | devinheitmueller: | jst: It works with ATSC but fails with ClearQAM, or you only tested with ClearQAM? |
| [19:53:47] | jst: | devinheitmueller, well, I just let mythtv-setup do the scanning before... I never used ascan, etc. |
| [19:53:59] | jst: | Never tried ATSC... never really worked right w/ clearqam |
| [19:54:08] | jst: | before i updated v4l-dvb, it was choppy and had artifacts |
| [19:54:16] | jst: | now that i updated v4l-dvb, i can't get a signal to lock at all |
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| [19:54:24] | devinheitmueller: | Right. That's what the updated v4l-dvb will fix. But you *were* getting a signal lock before. |
| [19:54:30] | jst: | yes |
| [19:54:44] | devinheitmueller: | pastebin the full dmesg since you booted the box please. |
| [19:54:45] | cannonfodder: | I think i know why the kernel stuff was failing...how do I fix this? sudo modprobe lirc_serial FATAL: Error inserting lirc_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.31-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/lirc/lirc_serial/lirc_serial.ko): Device or resource busy |
| [19:54:51] | jst: | okay, one sec |
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| [19:55:35] | jams: | cannonfodder- that is often fixed by running setserial to set the uart to none |
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| [19:57:13] | hume: | anyone got ideas on teletext subs misplaced / possible resolution setting issue somewhere...? |
| [19:58:28] | stuarta: | lexje: ahh, it seems your card refuses to lock onto the channel unless it's given an explicit set of settings |
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| [19:58:35] | stuarta: | which is a driver bug |
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| [19:59:18] | devinheitmueller: | stuarta: it's a faulty assumption for the application to assume that all cards support auto mode. |
| [20:00:19] | devinheitmueller: | Since the user's other MythTV box seems to be sending the correct parameters, my guess is there was some regression introduced in MythTV's channel scanner. |
| [20:00:21] | stuarta: | no, the reverse is true |
| [20:00:40] | stuarta: | we have no way of knowing ahead of time what the parameters of any given mux is |
| [20:00:49] | stuarta: | so the card should be able to lock onto it for us |
| [20:01:31] | devinheitmueller: | stuarta: how do you explain the log he provided where the other box *was* sending the correct parameters? |
| [20:01:33] | lexje: | stuarta: devinheitmueller: I discovered there is indeed a different kernel – I have done so many trials I lost this out of sight |
| [20:01:39] | stuarta: | otherwise you have to work through the complete set of possible combinations for a mux |
| [20:02:12] | devinheitmueller: | stuarta: exactly. |
| [20:02:12] | stuarta: | the excerpt you posted, it worked when passed explicit params, but not when auto |
| [20:02:27] | jst: | Did I discover a bug? Or is my hardware screwed up? Maybe I should just buy another 1600 and see if that fixes it? |
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| [20:02:48] | devinheitmueller: | jst: if it worked before the upgrade then it probably isn't a hardware problem. |
| [20:03:10] | stuarta: | which is fine, but impractical to expect an application to know have to try every possible combination of dvb params |
| [20:03:30] | devinheitmueller: | stuarta: I would have to check the source, but I'm pretty sure that's what all the other channel scanners do. |
| [20:04:01] | stuarta: | ours passes in auto for pretty much everything |
| [20:04:08] | stuarta: | and works for just about every card |
| [20:04:12] | stuarta: | except that one |
| [20:05:19] | devinheitmueller: | I don't doubt that *many* of the cards support auto mode for the parameters in question. |
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| [20:06:21] | jolaren: | Can anyone reccomend a good usb dvb-t device with a ca module that works fine with myth? |
| [20:06:31] | devinheitmueller: | The DVB frontend capabilities interface dictates what modes the frontend supports. |
| [20:07:07] | devicenull: | hm, does the internal player not support mkv's? |
| [20:07:10] | devinheitmueller: | ... and you cannot use auto for things like FEC unless the capabilities interface says the device provides FE_CAN_FEC_AUTO |
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| [20:07:14] | devicenull: | mythvideo keeps launching mplayer |
| [20:07:33] | mfm: | the internal player supports mkv |
| [20:07:46] | mfm: | even using vdpau |
| [20:08:01] | GreyFoxx: | devicenull: All of my movies ar emkv and they play fine |
| [20:08:13] | mfm: | I don't think it launches mplayer but I'll check |
| [20:08:21] | devicenull: | oh I had the settings wrong |
| [20:08:47] | devicenull: | ew |
| [20:08:59] | devicenull: | internal player has all sorts of artifacting, while mplayer is fine |
| [20:09:03] | devicenull: | I'll just stick with mplayer |
| [20:09:22] | mfm: | concerning mythvideo and subtitles loosing sync, does anyone have a clue? |
| [20:10:40] | mfm: | I can try using mplayer instead the internal one until someone fixes the subtitle issue |
| [20:11:22] | hume: | mfm, which type of subs? teletext? |
| [20:11:31] | mfm: | .srt |
| [20:11:36] | hume: | ok |
| [20:11:42] | mfm: | in mythvideo |
| [20:11:50] | mfm: | they play ok in vlc |
| [20:12:04] | hume: | got th same problem with teletext subs, and mplayer cannot play those,,, |
| [20:12:32] | mfm: | that's also weird |
| [20:12:37] | hume: | mm |
| [20:13:06] | mfm: | i'll try mplayer tonight. I hope not to loose vdpau |
| [20:14:27] | stuarta: | devinheitmueller: we would wlelcome a patch |
| [20:14:37] | devinheitmueller: | I'm looking into it now.... |
| [20:14:51] | stuarta: | thanks |
| [20:14:57] | ** stuarta is now busy ** | |
| [20:14:58] | mfm: | anyway it would look neatier with the internal player |
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| [20:16:48] | jolaren: | I'm trying to find a usb dvb-t with a ca reader. I've found alot of compatible cards on linuxtv.org but no1 of these matches the one I can find in Swedish stores. Atleast not the complete name. I'd be delighted if someone could tell me a card that works and that exists in the nordic reigon |
| [20:16:55] | cannonfodder: | jams: I know I had all this working before, its almost like the OS upgrade wiped all of it out |
| [20:17:17] | jams: | it probably did |
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| [20:17:24] | jams: | upgrades are good at that sort of thing |
| [20:17:49] | cannonfodder: | :) |
| [20:18:55] | cannonfodder: | okay...I got lircd to start with kernel modules again, but I get sudo mode2 -> mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
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| [20:26:51] | jolaren: | I'm trying to find a usb dvb-t with a ca reader. I've found alot of compatible cards on linuxtv.org but no1 of these matches the one I can find in Swedish stores. Atleast not the complete name. I'd be delighted if someone could tell me a card that works and that exists in the nordic region |
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| [20:27:28] | devinheitmueller: | jolaren: what do you have that message playing on a 10 minute loop? |
| [20:27:37] | AndyCap: | "Warning: this is copyrighted material and duplication, exihibition or distributioin, including uploading to the internet, may result in legal penalties." Can't say I've noticed that one before. :) |
| [20:27:47] | devinheitmueller: | jolaren: If someone knows, they will answer. |
| [20:27:59] | mfm: | cannonfodder, are you using homebrew serial receiver? |
| [20:29:29] | cannonfodder: | yes..well I bought from IRblaster people |
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| [20:30:42] | cannonfodder: | this one http://www.irblaster.info/receiver.html |
| [20:31:10] | mfm: | How many com ports do you have? |
| [20:31:15] | cannonfodder: | 2 |
| [20:31:30] | mfm: | are you on the right one? |
| [20:31:32] | martin__: | try the other one? |
| [20:31:53] | martin__: | sorry... couldn't resist the "IT Crowd" answer... |
| [20:31:56] | mfm: | you might. worth to try |
| [20:32:06] | mfm: | cool |
| [20:32:11] | cannonfodder: | LOL |
| [20:33:02] | cannonfodder: | dmesg | grep ttyS gives me [ 0.966429] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A[ 0.966708] 00:08: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
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| [20:33:20] | mfm: | I've followed some manual (I'll try to find it) and the only time it didn't work it connected to the wrong port |
| [20:33:36] | cannonfodder: | k. |
| [20:33:43] | martin__: | anyone here run a website... and use any webstat software? |
| [20:36:21] | mfm: | have setup /etc/modprobe.d/lirc |
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| [20:38:09] | cannonfodder: | k...I got the right device...I set it up for the old remote, restarted lircd and voila....Hauppauge is working....so I guess that means that the directv remote is not actually sending Microsoft Windows Media Center codes |
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| [20:39:47] | cannonfodder: | lol...mode2 still won't work |
| [20:40:22] | mfm: | but mode2 should work anyway. it gives you the wave form (I think). irw is the one that shows you the keycode |
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| [20:41:04] | whiteley_: | how important is it to use xfs instead of ext3? |
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| [20:41:49] | mfm: | I've followed the mythbuntu manual (http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbu . . . llation.pdf) page 115 |
| [20:42:08] | cannonfodder: | k...got mode2 working...had to specify device |
| [20:42:21] | mfm: | mmm |
| [20:42:25] | cannonfodder: | it works with old remote...guess I can try new remote now |
| [20:42:31] | cannonfodder: | ;) |
| [20:42:37] | mfm: | nice |
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| [20:45:09] | cannonfodder: | should mode2 pick up any IR remote? |
| [20:45:18] | cannonfodder: | or just the one you are setting up? |
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| [20:45:45] | mfm: | if I remember it shows a wave form, isn't it? |
| [20:45:55] | jams: | it will show any ir signals it sees |
| [20:46:13] | mfm: | iin a graphical way? |
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| [20:47:40] | mfm: | I'm pretty sure it will show the waveform of any remote, even if not setup (with lirc.conf, etc) |
| [20:48:20] | jams: | mode2 doesn't do graphs. but maybe xmode2 does |
| [20:48:51] | mfm: | you can check if the remote is really emmiting something using a webcam or a phone camera |
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| [20:51:40] | cannonfodder: | okay...I have 3 remotes and only one of them is being picked up by mode2 :( |
| [20:52:21] | cannonfodder: | cool huh? |
| [20:52:41] | mfm: | check with the phone cam!!! |
| [20:54:46] | mfm: | maybe you have two broken remotes. It might also have something to do with the carrier frequency |
| [20:54:49] | cannonfodder: | all 3 have blinking lights in the phone cma |
| [20:54:54] | mfm: | ok |
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| [20:56:37] | mfm: | there are 2 or 3 sensors that look similar but have different frequency responce. try it very near |
| [21:02:22] | cannonfodder: | no luck...I've got to go pickup kids from school...I will try again later....thanks for all your help!! |
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| [21:04:40] | mfm: | good luck |
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| [21:26:10] | lydgate: | just upgraded to 0.22, previously worked fine with GUI in 1920x1080 with video in 1280x720, but now it shows the video as if it were pushed like 400 pixels up and to the left |
| [21:26:32] | lydgate: | so i can see the center of the image in the upper left, anything above that or to the left is cut off |
| [21:27:07] | lydgate: | i've been messing with the display settings — if i set it to play everything in 1920x1080 it centers it, but my card can't really handle video scaled up to that resolution |
| [21:27:20] | lydgate: | have been googling as well |
| [21:27:22] | lydgate: | anyone else seen this? |
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| [21:34:29] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | hi this might be a daft question : but how do you setup graphite to show the large image of the video file etc behind the main text |
| [21:35:19] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | (I mean like in the demo) I have also seen this for other themes |
| [21:35:19] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | one last question, is there a pre-made 3 column theme: ie recording group – series name – epsiode name |
| [21:35:28] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | thanks for your help in advance |
| [21:36:11] | transmatrix: | Do you have your playback settings as windowed or fullscreen? |
| [21:37:23] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | if you mean whether I run mythtv in fullscreen or windowed mode, I have fullscreen |
| [21:37:36] | lydgate: | transmatrix: fullscreen, if you were talking to me |
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| [21:37:48] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | oh sorry did not want to interrupt |
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| [21:43:43] | justinh: | "how do I get myth to refresh the metadata without rebooting?" ROFLMAO |
| [21:44:33] | Wicked: | hello all. i have a pvr-150 and ive had this issue for quite some time...but id like to see about fixing it now. im capturing video from my stb via svideo and it works good...but its like the frames are off center..here are two screen caps i took http://picpaste.com/vlcsnap-2010-01-05-16h41m15s157.png and http://picpaste.com/vlcsnap-2010-01-05-16h41m20s209.png notice the big black bar on the right a |
| [21:44:33] | Wicked: | nd the smaller black bar on the left. |
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| [21:44:53] | ivor: | justinh: heh, happy new year. |
| [21:45:04] | justinh: | ivor: you too fella |
| [21:45:12] | ivor: | watching the snow.... |
| [21:45:34] | ivor: | country grinds to a halt... |
| [21:45:39] | Dagmar: | Wicked: 1. That's normal. 2. It's your broadcaster. 3. Please go google about "overscan" |
| [21:45:42] | justinh: | we had a bit of a snow day here too http://tweetphoto.com/8057630 |
| [21:46:35] | Wicked: | Dagmar, oh hmm ok. i thought it might have been some kinda setting for the card that got messed with. ill go search around for that. |
| [21:46:44] | Dagmar: | It's not broken. |
| [21:47:15] | devicenull: | cannonfodder: are you sure it's an IR remote? |
| [21:47:27] | Wicked: | yea. i used to have that fuzzy little bar at the top of the picture on certain channels but i crop the top by a few pixels and it got rid of it |
| [21:47:45] | justinh: | I'm supposed to be back at work on Thurday. hate to think how long it'll take to go 35 miles |
| [21:48:19] | justinh: | Wicked: thing is, you're seeing bits of the picture your TV would ordinarily be hiding. oldest broadcasting trick in the book |
| [21:48:29] | justinh: | next to interlacing that is |
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| [21:48:39] | devicenull: | there's two types of directtv ones, one uses radio and one IR |
| [21:48:46] | Wicked: | ah yea. thats what im reading now..that normally you dont see the full stream. |
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| [21:52:44] | ivor: | justinh: do you use dvb-s or just dvb-t? |
| [21:53:06] | justinh: | just dvb-t for now |
| [21:53:27] | justinh: | not in the mood to do one of my 'HDTV.. MEH!' rants ;-) |
| [21:53:30] | iamlindoro: | Bah, darn you, income tax |
| [21:53:49] | ivor: | justinh: nah no such rant oncoming... :) there are more +1 channels on -s too. |
| [21:54:02] | justinh: | just what the world needs :D |
| [21:54:16] | ivor: | was just pondering if there were ways to collapse duplicate channels or +1 channels down somehow |
| [21:54:31] | justinh: | though I'd rather see +1 channels of reasonable channels than "Blah SellStuff Teevee" |
| [21:54:34] | ivor: | can't get my head around how it would work though. |
| [21:54:53] | ivor: | justinh: well there's occasionally some stuff on. :) |
| [21:54:55] | justinh: | collapsing em? hmm |
| [21:55:08] | justinh: | MOARTUNERZ innit |
| [21:55:28] | ivor: | justinh: yeah so it recognises that a +1 channel is the same as the normal but just another opportunity to schedule something |
| [21:55:49] | Wicked: | hmm well im reading over this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/315206 and it mentions cropping the video to get rid of the bars...but im wondering...can mythtv detect the size of the black bars and crop them? it seems some stations have wider black bars then others.... |
| [21:56:05] | justinh: | my brain is broken atm. SO tired, been playing in snow most of the day :D |
| [21:56:42] | justinh: | Wicked: in civilised countries they actually have widescreen broadcasts nowadays |
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| [21:56:59] | Wicked: | lol |
| [21:57:01] | ivor: | justinh: well it also ties into having the dvb-s and dvb-t concurrently too. I'd like to be able to collapse all the channels that are the same so I don't have multiple channels showing up in the guide. |
| [21:57:03] | Wicked: | im in usa... |
| [21:57:09] | Wicked: | but still am getting them |
| [21:57:10] | justinh: | Wicked: like I said... ;-) |
| [21:57:13] | Wicked: | lol |
| [21:57:20] | Wicked: | touche |
| [21:57:21] | Wicked: | ;o |
| [21:57:43] | justinh: | ivor: maybe a new variation on 'visible' |
| [21:57:49] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | hi, sorry to comeback with my question about the images, I am not sure if I explained what I was looking for with that in this preview picture you can see a TV show logo/cover in the top left corner: http://www.gadgetwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/s4.jpg — now my question is how can I get that for recorded shows I just cannot find out how (and yes my google fu seems weak today) |
| [21:58:07] | ivor: | justinh: like I said it's been bothering me for a while but I can't think of a neat way of doing it. |
| [21:58:24] | justinh: | Redhammer_the_Ol: you can't yet show the channel icon in 'watch recording' ;-) |
| [21:58:40] | iamlindoro: | Redhammer_the_Ol: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu |
| [21:58:52] | justinh: | oh duh |
| [21:58:54] | mzb: | Wicked, I'd like that too ... seems us colonials don't get the superior quality of television that the mother country obviously gets ;P |
| [21:59:04] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | not the channel icon but the "dvd cover" as in the mockup (?) I linked |
| [21:59:44] | iamlindoro: | I don't have the patience to answer questions more than once today |
| [21:59:47] | iamlindoro: | Off I go |
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| [22:00:16] | ** elmojo wonders why he replied to that e-mail ** | |
| [22:01:08] | justinh: | ffs ,mythtvthemes.co.uk will expire in 7 days. they keep telling me that every few weeks now |
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| [22:05:01] | _abbenormal: | lol iamlindoro |
| [22:05:19] | RDV_Linux: | Redhammer_the_Ol: You are specifically interested in the Jamu options -MWV to get graphics for the Watch Recordings screen. |
| [22:06:03] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | ah ok thanks, I am still reading the jamu document, it is pretty long, will search for that to see where I get to |
| [22:06:55] | RDV_Linux: | Redhammer_the_Ol: Jamu does a number of useful things hence the long read. |
| [22:07:14] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | not complaining just stating the obvious :) |
| [22:07:21] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | and it looks pretty nifty |
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| [22:08:33] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | thanks will peruse and then comeback if I run into problems |
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| [22:08:39] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | thanks |
| [22:09:25] | RDV_Linux: | np |
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| [22:32:01] | mkrufky: | i am at work, not at home... so I cant just open up myth and reply the first 20 minutes of last night's episode of HEROES — (it wasnt any good) but, does anybody remember verbatim Hiro's exact reference to the cylons being defeated on Caprica? |
| [22:32:12] | mkrufky: | and if you didnt see HEROES and plan to, this is *not* a spoiler |
| [22:33:27] | mkrufky: | something like... ."people of caprica, fear not — the cylons have been defeated! " or something like that? google doesnt even know :-( |
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| [22:35:42] | iamlindoro: | I know that Heroes has sucked for ages, does that count? |
| [22:37:01] | mkrufky: | heroes was pretty damn good this past season so far |
| [22:37:08] | mkrufky: | except last night... pretty much sucked |
| [22:37:11] | mkrufky: | but i will continue watching |
| [22:37:19] | mkrufky: | i need to quote the hiro line... i cant find it anywhere |
| [22:38:41] | iamlindoro: | I watchd the first five or so episodes of this season before learning that once again the writers had decided to disregard all the prior mythology, powers of characters, interpersonal relationships, family members, and children in favor or more poorly written dialog and general confusion |
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| [22:39:55] | brad2: | iamlindoro: hehe pretty much |
| [22:40:33] | iamlindoro: | oh, not mention bringing back a select cast of the worst characters and the same retarded bad guy as all the season before |
| [22:40:44] | iamlindoro: | Yes, we get it, he wants to poke your brain and has daddy issues |
| [22:41:01] | brad2: | i was sad when veronica mars left the show, i was just starting to dig her character |
| [22:41:58] | mkrufky: | ok, well then i'll just flat out tell you this |
| [22:42:08] | mkrufky: | one guy's ability.... we dont know exactly what it is |
| [22:42:08] | mkrufky: | but |
| [22:42:33] | mkrufky: | he touched Hiro's head, and Hiro got all confused and thought he was in Star Wars / Star Trek / BSG / so many other shows & comic books all at once |
| [22:42:55] | iamlindoro: | If we don't know what his powers are, we're in good company, since neither do the writers |
| [22:43:04] | mkrufky: | he told people that they should "fear not, people of caprica — the cylons have been defeated... now we must rescue dr watson ... elementary!" |
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| [22:43:10] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [22:43:16] | mkrufky: | it was so bad that it was hilarious |
| [22:43:21] | brad2: | iamlindoro: do you have any advice on how to set up recording rules for primetime weekly shows? I set them up record weekly on a specific channel, but i always get nuked on any special showings. Do you normally set shows to record at any time on a particular channel, and then just let the scheduler figure it out? |
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| [22:45:09] | iamlindoro: | brad2: REcord at any time on any channel with a filter to exclude repeats and generics? |
| [22:45:31] | iamlindoro: | Or even at any time on that channel with said filter |
| [22:46:33] | brad2: | ahh that makes sense, i think i was just missing the filter exc repeats and generics |
| [22:46:36] | brad2: | that should work perfect |
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| [22:47:17] | brad2: | one other question, if i set up a schedule to record at any time on any channel, can i filter it so it only does that on my high def channels? |
| [22:48:27] | iamlindoro: | nope, but you *could* give a channel higher priority |
| [22:48:29] | skd5aner: | brad2: put your HD tuners first |
| [22:49:00] | iamlindoro: | most people's WAM tuners give them both the SD and HD versions of a given cahnnel, so that is unlikely to help him |
| [22:49:02] | iamlindoro: | er QAM |
| [22:49:14] | brad2: | skd5aner: i actually only have one tuner (a hdpvr), but i have all my normal channels listed on it as well |
| [22:49:16] | skd5aner: | you can also set the rule to prefer to use one of your HD tuners, but that really isn't a full-proof suggestion |
| [22:49:28] | iamlindoro: | again, tuner won't help |
| [22:49:32] | brad2: | i just wanted to avoid recording 8 billion two and a half men episodes in regular def, when the high def ones will come around eventually |
| [22:49:34] | skd5aner: | true |
| [22:49:42] | iamlindoro: | In his case, or in the case of most people's QAM tuners |
| [22:50:36] | brad2: | is it possible to filter with something like "Only do it on channels 500–600"? |
| [22:51:00] | iamlindoro: | with a power search/custom record rule, sure |
| [22:51:12] | iamlindoro: | but you'll be writing the SQL for that |
| [22:51:21] | skd5aner: | well, tis true – except in my case I have SD tuners and QAM tuners, and on my QAM tuners, I've given all the redundant SD channels on those tuners a -1 priority, so it's there if it had to use it, but otherwise it prefers the HD channels |
| [22:51:58] | skd5aner: | no one size fits all I suppose |
| [22:52:34] | skd5aner: | bard2: I see, gotcha – so you just depend on your HDPVR for all your channels SD and HD? |
| [22:52:46] | skd5aner: | sorry, brad2 |
| [22:53:23] | brad2: | skd5aner: yes |
| [22:53:47] | skd5aner: | I can tell you what I might do, but there's probably better solutions... YMMV |
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| [22:53:48] | brad2: | i do have some hauppauge 150's laying around |
| [22:54:01] | brad2: | but i haven't hooked them up as my hdpvr takes care of almost everything i need |
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| [22:54:10] | brad2: | i think these custom recording rules will work out, reading a tutorial right now |
| [22:54:12] | brad2: | thanks guys |
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| [22:55:03] | skd5aner: | you could give your SD channels 1 less priority point than your HD ones, HOWEVER – that could cause some havoc with any conflicts where a show that has a higher priority on an SD channel would have 1 less priority point than anything on the HD channels |
| [22:55:44] | transmatrix: | Why go negative? I just give all my HD stuff a +2 priority... |
| [22:56:21] | brad2: | that's a good idea, let me go figure out how to do that :) |
| [22:56:34] | skd5aner: | so – it's not fullproof, but it would give your "any channel" rules the opportunity to check HD stations first |
| [22:56:50] | skd5aner: | transmatrix: to each their own... it's all relative |
| [22:57:04] | skd5aner: | whoever has the higher number wins :) |
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| [22:57:46] | skd5aner: | but, to transmatrix's point – you could give your HD-only channels a +1 |
| [22:58:31] | brad2: | trans: any reason you decided to go +2 insead of +1? |
| [22:59:35] | skd5aner: | brad2: all that matters is a difference... if you want to make sure any program that COULD record on HD has a leg up, use something bigger than a 1 priority point difference |
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| [23:00:38] | skd5aner: | but, just keep in mind that in the end, the scheduler only cars about the total points, so a show that you gave a +2 priority on, that is only on an SD channel, could lose out to a show that has a 0 priority, but is on an HD channel that has a >+2 rating (for example) |
| [23:00:48] | skd5aner: | cars=cares |
| [23:00:56] | transmatrix: | probably from my days of basic programming and numbering lines by 10. I want to have the flexibility to go in later and have a +1 for an SD over another SD program. |
| [23:02:02] | transmatrix: | And I want to record all of my shows, none of them have a negative priority ;-) |
| [23:02:11] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html – read the whole priority section at the bottom of this page |
| [23:02:25] | brad2: | thanks |
| [23:02:29] | skd5aner: | transmatrix: to each their own, I use + and negative |
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| [23:02:52] | transmatrix: | It's all good... |
| [23:03:00] | skd5aner: | it really doesn't matter if I use 1 to 10 or -5 to +5 |
| [23:03:23] | skd5aner: | scheduler computes the comparisons the same |
| [23:03:24] | transmatrix: | Well, except by default all new schedules will have a 0 priority |
| [23:03:32] | mzb: | I generally use -ve for "automatic" (ie: power searches), and positive for "manual" |
| [23:03:50] | transmatrix: | so if you go -5 and the wife schedules something with no priority... |
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| [23:04:43] | skd5aner: | true – so, for example – until I know I like a show, all my new rules keep their "0" priority, shows I like get something in a +1-+5 range, and shows I love get something in the +6-+10 range, shows I could care less about and want to autoexpire first get a -1 to -5, etc |
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| [23:05:08] | MTughan_web: | I'm trying to get album art to appear for a song playing in the MythMusic plugin, but it doesn't seem to be displaying. I have it named as cover.jpg in the same folder as the currently playing files, which are encoded as iTunes AAC. What am I doing wrong? |
| [23:05:20] | mzb: | (except for searches like: "%Galactica%' ;) |
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| [23:05:45] | transmatrix: | galactica = automatic +20 ;-) |
| [23:05:51] | mzb: | :) |
| [23:06:06] | mzb: | mine's +30 ;)) |
| [23:06:46] | skd5aner: | nothing get's a negative unless I know it's less valuable than anything else, including new rules my wife might set up (don't want to delete her new show without feeling the wrath) |
| [23:07:21] | mzb: | my "Movies" monster search is -5 |
| [23:07:39] | skd5aner: | using only positive numbers, your new rules are likely to get deleted first, maybe before yyou've even had a chance to watch a new series |
| [23:08:12] | seandiddy: | my backend had 9.10 beta installed and I had and episode picture overlay...installed 9.10 and lost the episode art using the graphite plugin |
| [23:08:13] | mzb: | it's ... complicated and *nasty*, but desgined to get around mis-categorisations |
| [23:08:41] | mzb: | program.chanid = channel.chanid AND (channel.name NOT LIKE 'ABC%' AND channel.name NOT LIKE 'SBS%') AND ((program.category_type = 'movie') OR ((TIMESTAMPDIFF(MINUTE,program.starttime,program.endtime)>=90) AND ((program.category_type NOT LIKE 'sports') AND (program.category_type NOT LIKE 'series') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'sport') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'series') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'infotainment') AND (program. |
| [23:08:42] | mzb: | category NOT LIKE 'news') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'current affairs') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'entertainment') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'variety') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'lifestyle') AND (program.category NOT LIKE 'talk show')))) |
| [23:08:43] | MTughan_web: | Okay, better question then... Any way to have album art show up without having to rescan for music? |
| [23:08:55] | mzb: | still getting a few false matches, but it's getting there |
| [23:09:05] | mzb: | hope I didn't blind anyone with that ;) |
| [23:09:26] | skd5aner: | for example, I have way too much to watch... and although I love mythbusters, I don't get to watch it too much. So, I don't want Mythbusters to either compete for a tuner OR take up space if my drive becomes full, so it's got a -4 |
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| [23:10:03] | skd5aner: | mainly because it airs so much and is replayed frequently – so it's no real concern |
| [23:10:23] | mzb: | MTughan_web, folder.jpg |
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| [23:10:50] | MTughan_web: | mzb: I got it to display with cover.jpg, but I just had to rescan the music folder. |
| [23:11:02] | mzb: | mine are all folder.jpg |
| [23:11:04] | MTughan_web: | As the wiki says, "Basically, any image in the same directory as the music file currently playing is treated as if it might be album art, and one is selected randomly for display" |
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| [23:11:30] | mzb: | restart the frontend after making changes then |
| [23:11:31] | skd5aner: | news, home shows, etc... almost all the prime time shows have + ratings, but anyway – my scheme is just what works for me |
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| [23:12:13] | mzb: | MTughan_web, that probably also depends on the version of mythtv you're using ... iirc things have changed a little since 0.21 |
| [23:12:46] | skd5aner: | mzb: I have folder.jpg for windows, which will display a "folder.jpg" as the folder icon... I think mythmusic uses something different, cover.jpg maybe? |
| [23:13:33] | skd5aner: | either way – the real way to go is embedding the album art in the id3 tag |
| [23:14:05] | mzb: | I'm probably thinking of mythvideo |
| [23:14:21] | skd5aner: | rescanning doesn't seem to be super painful for me? |
| [23:15:35] | seandiddy: | am I right???no recording episode art in 9.10, or am I neglecting a setting |
| [23:16:04] | mzb: | not a mythtv version number;) |
| [23:16:38] | seandiddy: | then where are we? |
| [23:16:44] | mzb: | and, none of the themes (afaik) have fanart for recordings (although I modified blue-abstract-wide to do just that) |
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| [23:17:11] | mzb: | google +/- search the mailing list for info on how to do it |
| [23:17:56] | seandiddy: | I had it setup so when you were in watch recording episode art appeared as a background |
| [23:18:01] | skd5aner: | ok, you can get fanart for recordings in -.22 using graphite |
| [23:18:04] | skd5aner: | and jamu -MW |
| [23:18:28] | seandiddy: | it worked in other themes as well |
| [23:18:39] | mzb: | time to get ready to go out, bbl |
| [23:18:41] | seandiddy: | yea...fan art |
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| [23:19:28] | skd5aner: | seandiddy: the only officially released theme that supports artwork display in the watch recordings screen is graphite for .22 |
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| [23:20:46] | skd5aner: | and, as far as I know, the only way to retrieve it for that screen is jamu -MW, as I don;'t believe there is any way within the UI to retreive the fanart |
| [23:20:51] | seandiddy: | then I don't know what I was using...I had artwork in most themes. |
| [23:20:52] | BlueCamel: | I'm having trouble troubleshooting a DVD playback problem. My DVDs are stored on NFS as VIDEO_TS files. playback on the FE/BE always seesm to work. playback on the FE frequently fails. |
| [23:21:20] | BlueCamel: | I'm looking for a suggestion as to the -v flag for dvd nav/playback troubleshooting |
| [23:21:24] | skd5aner: | I belive other themes support artwork in the watch videos (mythvideo) screen |
| [23:21:29] | BlueCamel: | so I can compaire fe/be with fe |
| [23:21:42] | seandiddy: | lost the frontend...couldn't setup...reinstalled 9.10 on backend...install disks got jumbled up. 32bit / 64bit systems |
| [23:21:55] | skd5aner: | BlueCamel: are you using storage groups? |
| [23:22:03] | BlueCamel: | no. |
| [23:22:13] | BlueCamel: | it's not all VIDEO_TS folders either :( |
| [23:22:22] | BlueCamel: | but the ones that fail do fail consistently |
| [23:22:41] | BlueCamel: | the 'fail' is the actual playback exits back to the video browser |
| [23:23:34] | skd5aner: | BlueCamel: OK, I know that is not supported yet on SGs... you can use -v playback first and see if that tells you anything |
| [23:23:48] | BlueCamel: | alright, I'll start there. |
| [23:23:59] | BlueCamel: | -v all was to much to wade through |
| [23:24:05] | skd5aner: | and by "that" I mean block level DVD playback (ISOs, and VIDEO_TS) |
| [23:24:13] | BlueCamel: | ack |
| [23:25:51] | skd5aner: | it's supported, just not over SG – I still do it over NFS |
| [23:27:38] | BlueCamel: | same here. NFS share of VIDEO_TS folders to both be/fe and fe |
| [23:28:36] | skd5aner: | is the local storage on either of those, or is it mounted as NFS on both? |
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| [23:32:20] | transmatrix: | mzb: the mythbuntu theme has fanart for recordings. As long as the show name is the same as a video that you've already got fanart for. |
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| [23:34:34] | skd5aner: | transmatrix: I was wondering about that theme, though it could be the case |
| [23:34:37] | skd5aner: | thought |
| [23:39:23] | skd5aner: | Got 10 new HD channels, yet TWC still can't get make good with viacom, so no Comedy Central HD (ergo, no Colbert in HD) |
| [23:39:32] | skd5aner: | :P |
| [23:39:42] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | transmatrix — just to check do I need to have a "myth"video with fanart for that recording |
| [23:40:30] | skd5aner: | transmatrix isn't here |
| [23:40:52] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | yes |
| [23:40:58] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | missed that never mind one for tomorrow |
| [23:41:04] | skd5aner: | Redhammer_the_01: to get fanart for recordings, you need to run jamu -MW |
| [23:41:12] | brad2: | when looking at upcoming recordings, is there a way to get it not to show "L" (Later recordings) if i set up a schedule to record any time on any channel, i may get the "L" half a dozen times (for all the channels that show is on) |
| [23:41:51] | skd5aner: | it'll download the fanrt for ttvdb, and save it in a filename format that the UI will look for, it matches the recording name |
| [23:42:14] | skd5aner: | it uses already recorded programs, as well as scheduled programs not yet recorded |
| [23:43:14] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#Scheduled_and_Recorded |
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| [23:43:30] | skd5aner: | Redhammer_the_01: did that answer your quesiton? |
| [23:44:04] | skd5aner: | brad2: no, ttbomk... only if you did a "on this channel" rule |
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| [23:44:41] | brad2: | thanks |
| [23:44:42] | skd5aner: | you should be able to switch the upcoming recordings screen to show only important, I think you press "1" or "2" |
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| [23:45:13] | skd5aner: | that'll filter out a quite a bit |
| [23:45:20] | brad2: | skd: yeah that is definitely useful, but it still considers "L" to be important |
| [23:45:32] | brad2: | i guess i will have to go through and set me schedules to record only on one channel :) |
| [23:46:25] | skd5aner: | brad2: I just did the opposite, most of my rules were channel based, and I switched most of them to any channel |
| [23:47:07] | brad2: | skd5: and your upcoming recordings don't show a million "L" (will record later showing) lines? |
| [23:47:31] | skd5aner: | but, I had 0 problems when they were channel based, I just wanted to ensure that my HD programs *could* record on an SD channel if I had enough simulatenous recordings for conflicts, but it's unlikley |
| [23:47:32] | brad2: | i'm spammed to death with it, because my cable provider gives us 8 million versions of the same channel |
| [23:47:34] | BlueCamel: | "libdvdnav: trying to resume without any resume info set" |
| [23:47:44] | BlueCamel: | I need to check that on my fe/be box |
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| [23:47:53] | BlueCamel: | but right after that it starts exiting |
| [23:47:56] | brad2: | i think i should go through and delete all my regular def channels, i don't record them anyways |
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| [23:48:10] | skd5aner: | brad2: or hide them |
| [23:48:26] | skd5aner: | let me go check that screen and see what I get |
| [23:48:31] | skd5aner: | I don't check it often |
| [23:48:33] | brad2: | thanks i appreciate it |
| [23:48:39] | skd5aner: | I use mythweb a lot to see upcoming |
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| [23:49:40] | brad2: | i really need to set that up one of these days, lol |
| [23:49:53] | brad2: | everyone mentions that it's cool, but i just haven't got around to it |
| [23:50:09] | skd5aner: | brad2: no, I don't see any Ls or Es |
| [23:50:27] | skd5aner: | L for Later, E for Earlier, in the watch recorings screen set to "important" |
| [23:50:52] | skd5aner: | BlueCamel: off the top of my head, I have no idea, sorry.... |
| [23:51:19] | brad2: | hmmm |
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| [23:51:27] | jolaren: | Mythtv vs Dreambox? |
| [23:51:29] | brad2: | i wonder if it's because i have conflicts maybe |
| [23:51:34] | brad2: | so it feels the need to show me everything |
| [23:51:34] | skd5aner: | brad2: it's a nice tool |
| [23:52:00] | skd5aner: | jolaren: you're in a mythtv channel – I supose you probably can guess what people are going to say? |
| [23:52:01] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [23:52:52] | jolaren: | skd5aner; Yeah, I'm thinkin about buyin a dreambox or an external usb device for my ion asrock 330 |
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| [23:53:22] | skd5aner: | brad2: what theme? in Graphite, I see "E"s for multiple channels at the same time for the same recording when only one channel records it when the filter is set to "all" |
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| [23:53:59] | skd5aner: | jolaren: unfortunately, I know nothing about the dreambox honestly – not sure how many people around here would – maybe some? |
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| [23:54:29] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: dbox support has been removed from mythtv |
| [23:54:35] | jolaren: | skd5aner; I'm guessing Mythtv is more configurable and less expensive. |
| [23:54:46] | jolaren: | Just need to find a usb module which has CA + dvb-t |
| [23:54:54] | brad2: | i think it's blue-wide |
| [23:54:58] | jolaren: | Impossible to find any on the linuxtv website since the article numbers aren't the same |
| [23:55:09] | jolaren: | here in sweden, that is |
| [23:55:10] | brad2: | was trying it out, let me go try graphite |
| [23:55:10] | skd5aner: | what is the dreambox? from wikipedia it looks like a DVR in germany? |
| [23:55:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: dbox support has been removed, but I think he's asking if he should get a "dreambox (different than dbox?)" or go the myth route |
| [23:56:04] | wagnerrp: | the dreambox is a linux-based tuner with support for CA modules, external disks, and network streaming |
| [23:56:23] | wagnerrp: | formerly people used to use the dreambox (dbox2) as a tuner for mythtv |
| [23:56:41] | wagnerrp: | however it has been removed over concerns of its use |
| [23:56:45] | skd5aner: | jolaren: myth is fairly configurable and flexible, but it depends on what you want to do... I wouldn't assume "less expensive" though... in fact, probably the opposite versus a ready-to-use DVR solution |
| [23:56:53] | brad2: | hmmm yup, does it on graphite too.. i think it may be because i have conflicts |
| [23:56:59] | brad2: | still trying to work through that :) |
| [23:57:00] | wagnerrp: | which is more often than not in combination with softcams, to illegally access content |
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| [23:57:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: dreambox = dbox? |
| [23:58:12] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:59:05] | skd5aner: | brad2: if conflicts, the probably |
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| [23:59:40] | brad2: | does conflicts happen if you have 2 shows with the same priority? Or they happen any time myth wants to record two shows at the same time? |
| [23:59:46] | wagnerrp: | brad2: i dont believe 'blue' is a valid theme for 0.22 |
| [23:59:48] | brad2: | err do conflicts happen.. |
| [23:59:51] | wagnerrp: | unless you mean blue-abstract |
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