Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 3rd, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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jpabq:

[R], In theory my integrated nVidia 9400 can do Temporal deinterlacing, but I have found that it only works for a while (15–45 minutes) and then I get stuttering. This is especially true with timestretch. I have resorted to use VDPAU in BOB deint, and then everything works just fine. I am in the market for a nVidia 220 to get the better deint back.

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[R]:

the same exact channel

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[R]:

works perfect off my QAM

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[R]:

not so much from the vdpau

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[R]:

from the hdpvr*

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jpabq:

yes

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[R]:

i even tried bob

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[R]:

same thing

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jpabq:

The fact that it can do HD-PVR stuff for a while with Temporal kinds indicates a memory leak, or something.

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[R]:

it never works for me

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jpabq:

[R], you could try different nVidia driver versions. Some work better than others with various material.

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[R]:

ok

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sid3windr:

perhaps your 9400 overheats? :>

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[R]:

i just disabled the deinterlacing

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[R]:

so its most defintely somethign other than that

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[R]:

as i suspected... its my hdpvr hating me

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jpabq:

sid3windr, that is possible. I honestly had not though of that.

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sid3windr:

it's the first thing that popped into my mind

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sid3windr:

I'd guess it throttles back then

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sid3windr:

and then does not have enough power anymore to do it

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sid3windr:

you could have a look at the gpu temp with the nvidia tool at the beginning and then when it starts to stutter

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Keli:

can someone here help me understand the data in the recorededmarkup table?

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[R]:

hrm, looks like its working better now

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[R]:

i really need to get a pci usb card

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[R]:

my onbaord usb ports SUCK

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wagnerrp:

Keli: you very likely shouldnt be tinkering in the database

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wagnerrp:

that aside, what do you want to know

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syamajala:

hmm

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syamajala:

having some sound issues

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Keli:

wagnerrp: :) well I'm trying to debug my problem with the premature stop of playback when viewing manually edited recordings

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Keli:

wagnerrp: am I understanding correctly that the type column values 0 and 1 are for manual cuts?

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wagnerrp:

in that case, you should only have two entries in that table, one of type 0 near the beginning of the file, one of type 1 near the end

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syamajala:

if i unmute the line in jack i can hear things great, but when i mute it and i use myth i can barely hear anything even when i turn the volume all the way up

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[R]:

if my cable box says its putting out 1080i... and myth detects it as interlaced... and i have the intelacers disabled... why does it look normla?

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[R]:

deinterlacers*

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Keli:

wagnerrp: thats what I thought, but there are more, there are two with the value 0, and two with the value 1

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wagnerrp:

[R]: because you dont have any high motion scenes to show interlacing

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[R]:

its news

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Keli:

wagnerrp: but the manual cutlist editdor is only showing one beginning cut and one end

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wagnerrp:

Keli: you can also have a 1 at the first frame, and 0 at the last frame

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[R]:

but the guy is moving around... it looks normal

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wagnerrp:

but they are unnecessary

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Keli:

wagnerrp: ok, but these are not at the first/last frames

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syamajala:

aw fixed it

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wagnerrp:

moving around != high motion

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Keli:

I deleted the cutlist for a recording showing this and am trying to edit it again to see what happens

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[R]:

theres no stupid sports on though

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[R]:

oh wait

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[R]:

i see it now

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Keli:

wagnerrp: now I created the cuts again and the cut editor inserted cutpoints at locations inside the recording and at frame 0 and (probably) last frame

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[R]:

oh yeah... tahts much better

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wagnerrp:

Keli: heres an example of a cutlist that i know functions as it should... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1735633

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[R]:

haha... i just tried plugging my ipod into my network port... tahts not gonna work

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Feature_Wish . . . ;oldid=42698

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iamlindoro:

of all the retarded ideas

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** iamlindoro files that in the "never, ever, ever, EVER going to happen" file **

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Keli:

wagnerrp: thanks, is there an easy mapping from marks(framenumbers) to time?

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wagnerrp:

time = frame_number * frames_per_second

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** iamlindoro files that in the "never, ever, ever, EVER going to happen" file **

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iamlindoro:

bah, silly multiple screens!

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wagnerrp:

so he wants to replace cron with mythbackend... and then he wants to place a large chunk of mythbackend in cron?

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iamlindoro:

so it seems

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[R]:

if something tahat were to happen at my work

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EdWyse_Mobile:

No, I read that as 2 separate ideas.

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[R]:

we would close it by saying it was out of scope

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iamlindoro:

EdWyse_Mobile, both of which are awful ideas that show a total lack of understanding of what our scheduler is

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Well, true... :D

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I think my wife is getting tired of me breaking the media server...

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iamlindoro:

you should probably stop breaking it

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EdWyse_Mobile:

hehe

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EdWyse_Mobile:

But I wanted to try Fedora 12 on it. hehe

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EdWyse_Mobile:

0.21 doesn't seem to like f12, so I'm trying to get 0.22 to work. Getting Floating point exception using the same configure settings that I was using with 0.21 :(

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Keli:

wagnerrp: now mythtranscode is showing the same issues as normal playback, that is cutting at the wrong places

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Keli:

wagnerrp: I have feeling someone is assuming 60Hz when I have 50Hz or something :)

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wagnerrp:

plenty of myth users (and devs) in PAL/DVB countries, i dont think that would have been overlooked

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iamlindoro:

in fact, at least half of them thereabouts

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wagnerrp:

its a pretty even split between the US and the UK

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wagnerrp:

with a few scattered around europe, and i think one in australia

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Keli:

wagnerrp: time show in cutlist edit mode matches the frame number in recordedmarkup assuming 25fps

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Keli:

at least not in the frontend edit mode

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Essobi:

I had the read that twice...

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Essobi:

"19:34 < wagnerrp> plenty of meth users (and devs)" is what I read...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, we develop meth around here

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wagnerrp:

why else do you think we all have bad teeth

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** [R] makes a crack about people being in the south... **

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syamajala:

i'm trying to add a new frontend to my setup

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syamajala:

and am having trouble connecting

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syamajala:

mysql seems to work remotely

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wagnerrp:

is this your first remote frontend?

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syamajala:

yes

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[R]:

how does mysql "seem" to work

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[R]:

it either works or it doesn't

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Keli:

wagnerrp: is the myth source browsable on line?

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wagnerrp:

have you set mythbackend to use a routeable IP, rather than 127.0.0.1?

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wagnerrp:

Keli: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser

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syamajala:

[R]: if i do mysql -u mythtv -h mythtv -p i can connect from a remote system

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syamajala:

wagnerrp: i'll check

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EdWyse_Mobile:

[R] it could be an hallucination from the meth they were referring to earlier.

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[R]:

syamajala: then it works

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[R]:

1/2" spiral wrap is perfect for 2 wires... but its just slightly too small for 3 wires

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[R]:

i wish they sold it bigger

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[R]:

stupid home depot

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wagnerrp:

half inch is tiny for any kind of wire loom

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I'm getting a "Floating point exception" in QMutexPool::get() from /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 . I tried googling for this, but the only thing I could find was for fglrx.

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[R]:

its perfect for the coax and the ethernet... but once the power goes in there... it works... just not ideallly

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wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: i thought you were trying to use 0.22

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I am. This is 0.22 from the svn.

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wagnerrp:

then why are you running qt-3.3?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Then why is it trying to use qt-3.3

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EdWyse_Mobile:

heh,

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syamajala:

ok it works now

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I have qt4 installed, but some apps that I'm using still require 3.3.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Ok, so "arts" says it requires qt3.

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sid3windr:

lol@cron wishlist item

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sid3windr:

he just wants anacron, actually

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EdWyse_Mobile:

With qt3 and qt4 both installed, is there a way to force the use of qt4?

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wagnerrp:

...added

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[R]:

EdWyse_Mobile: programs will use what they are compiled for

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[R]:

EdWyse_Mobile: they aren't going to choose willy-nilly

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syamajala:

i need to see if i can fix up these 2 broken systems i have

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syamajala:

to use as front ends

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EdWyse_Mobile:

[R]: I uninstalled qt3, configured, compiled, installed, then re-installed qt3 and had this result.

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[R]:

EdWyse_Mobile: what result

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sid3windr:

this.

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sid3windr:

=)

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EdWyse_Mobile:

"Floating point exception" in QMutexPool::get() from /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

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[R]:

EdWyse_Mobile: and what does that have to do with myth?

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PatrickD`:

EdWyse_Mobile, you really need to compile against qt4 instead of qt3

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EdWyse_Mobile:

It's happening when I run mythfrontend.

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[R]:

your mythfrontend is crashing with that error?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Correct.

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[R]:

wow... your system is severly scfrewed up

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EdWyse_Mobile:

hehe, thanks. :)

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[R]:

myth doesnt' use qt3

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[R]:

atleast no 22

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[R]:

not*

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[R]:

you said you have arts

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[R]:

is myth configured to use arts?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

yes

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[R]:

well thats why

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[R]:

arts is a piece of crap

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[R]:

and its using qt3

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[R]:

and myth is awesome... and its using qt4

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Ah, ok. That's easy to fix.

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[R]:

stop using that piece of trash

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wagnerrp:

so by that analysis, 0.21 was a piece of trash?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

The buggy whip wasn't once a piece of trash, but it is now.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: no...

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i wans't impling qt3 was crap

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Though I was perfectly happy with 0.21 'till yesterday.

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[R]:

so why did you switch

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EdWyse_Mobile:

[R]: I decided to try Fedora 12 on my media box. 0.21 wouldn't give me any audio in playback.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I decided to go to 0.22 instead of seeing if I could fix it.

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[R]:

why do you have arts and that crap?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I don't know why arts was installed. I've never even looked at that package before.

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Keli:

wagnerrp: during playback, it looks like an "accumulated" error, if I skip into the middle of the recording, it will play further

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J-e-f-f-A:

EdWyse_Mobile: I installed from scratch to FC11 when I upgraded to 0.22 – no issues here... (Haven't gone to 12 yet)

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EdWyse_Mobile:

J-e-f-f-A: This box has been around since f9, so it's been through a few.

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[R]:

EdWyse_Mobile: excpet you siad itw aas configured to use it...

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Oh, no, just installed.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

But I see that configure found it and enabled it.

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[R]:

where is it "enabled"?

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J-e-f-f-A:

EdWyse_Mobile: This box had FC8 before I wiped it to update to 0.22 – went to 11 on all but one box that was too old for 11... it's now got 10. ;-)

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EdWyse_Mobile:

[R]: When I ran "./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir-name=lib64 --disable-vdpau" one of the notfications (that has now scrolled off the screen too far to read) said something to the effect of "arts: yes". Now that I have uninstalled qt3 and arts, it says "arts: no".

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[R]:

thats just saying its going to compiel in support

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[R]:

it doesnt use it unless you tell it

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I understand that, but I would assume, then, that with that compiled in it was also linking qt3 which was causing the floating point exception.

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

depends on your linker i guess

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[R]:

it should techinically only be linking to arts

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Ok, that eliminated the FPE.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

"Need to switch video renderer." – To what?

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J-e-f-f-A:

EdWyse_Mobile: Huh? What are you referring to???

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Keli:

EdWyse: try changing playback profile

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Keli:

EdWyse: Utilities/ Setup -> Setup ->TV settings -> Playback-> screen 3

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Keli:

what is your current playback profile?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

J-e-f-f-A: When I tried to play a DVD, I had a dialog box pop up that says nothing but "Need to switch video renderer."

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Keli: checking...

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EdWyse_Mobile:

CPU--

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Keli:

edwyse: had that issue as well until I switched playback profile to CPU+

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wagnerrp:

any idea why i might be having problems playing dvdrips with AAC?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: aac?

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wagnerrp:

its being done digitally, HDMI

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wagnerrp:

but it should be decoding to PCM internally

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wagnerrp:

rather than trying to send AAC, right?

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[R]:

it should only do passthrough for dts and ac3

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wagnerrp:

its playing, but at like 1/3 speed

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[R]:

what does the frontend saay

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wagnerrp:

frontend isnt saying anything, its just playing the content, slowly

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wagnerrp:

and the audio is screechy

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[R]:

what does -p playback say

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[R]:

-pv

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[R]:

-v*

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wagnerrp:

ooh, this will be fun, navigating mythvideo blind

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Keli: thanks, that did fix the "need to switch" dialog.

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Keli:

edwyse: cool

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wagnerrp:

bunch of 'video is 30 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down'....

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wagnerrp:

wonder if this is a bad mux

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wagnerrp:

interesting, the remux is half a meg larger than the original

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wagnerrp:

same problem.... i should really pull the original AC3 off all my old rips

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wagnerrp:

i was only using AAC since the PS3 wanted it, and i dont use that for playback any more

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha, getting called out about not having any community spirit because I locked a ticket

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iamlindoro:

because lord knows I've done nothing to try to improve the Myth community

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iamlindoro:

you, know, besides useless empty gestures like write multiple themes, two new plugins, countless improvements to mythvideo, come up with, organize, and run the theming competition, solicit user feedback on settings changes, and write a half dozen help messages to the users list a day

[02:50:59]

iamlindoro:

but hey, what do I know about community

[02:51:33]

iamlindoro:

not to mention document MythUI/Theming all by myself

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wagnerrp:

which ticket would that be?

[02:59:12]

iamlindoro:

#7668, the post that Brian Murrell just sent to every single list

[02:59:37]

wagnerrp:

yeah... havent gotten any posts

[02:59:56]

wagnerrp:

i find myself missing a surprising number of emails these days

[03:00:24]

iamlindoro:

Well it's an effing treat, let me tell you

[03:00:32]

iamlindoro:

I wrote what is probably a too-strongly-worded reply

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wagnerrp:

i see your reply, i dont see his email

[03:01:43]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /276382.html

[03:01:49]

wagnerrp:

looking at it currently

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Well, I have 0.22 playing video. Still have no audio though in dvd playback or with mp3s. VLC can play things just fine, so at least I know pulseaudio is working.

[03:02:20]

wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: pulseaudio is your problem

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wagnerrp:

however the fact that it is working implies that ALSA is working

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wagnerrp:

so when mythfrontend disabled pulseaudio, and accesses ALSA directly, it should be working

[03:04:07]

wagnerrp:

i dont see your first response either... i just got the second

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iamlindoro:

anyway, pipermail will work

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wagnerrp:

but now this is really going to start to bug me

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devicenull:

does the mythvideo internal player support hardware acceleration?

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wagnerrp:

devicenull: XvMC and VDPAU, yes

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devicenull:

hm

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devicenull:

I suppose i need a slightly newer card then a fx5200 to take advantage of it :p

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wagnerrp:

5200 should do XvMC

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wagnerrp:

however XvMC only consists of partial offload of MPEG2

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Do you have a favorite HDMI card for MythTV?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I haven't been too happy with what I've tried so far.

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wagnerrp:

do you care about audio over HDMI?

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MerryTughan:

I seem to have developed a problem with the MythTV frontend on a non-backend computer within a couple days. The backend now displays slightly down from where it should be, and adding a negative Y offset isn't helping. Is there anything I can check?

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EdWyse_Mobile:

wagnerrp: not at all.

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wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: then it matters not at all

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: is this a tube? or digital display?

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MerryTughan:

wagnerrp: DVI connected display.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I would like SOME audio though. :D

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MerryTughan:

It looks like it may be moved down the distance of the GNOME menu bar actually.

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wagnerrp:

then just go into the screen setup wizard, and flush your offset

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MerryTughan:

Offset is 0.

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wagnerrp:

is this a dedicated frontend? or one that you otherwise use as a desktop?

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MerryTughan:

There we go... It's the latter, but my decision to turn on Compiz seems to have caused it.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, myth hasnt generally played nice with those fancy 3D WMs

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MerryTughan:

The menu bar's only on another display though, so that's odd.

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wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: unless you want to push audio over HDMI, any DVI or HDMI video card will work just fine

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wagnerrp:

they are mostly compatible

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: Thought you might like to know I found a resolution to the HVR-1600 no audio problem we discussed.

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wagnerrp:

BobLfoot: as stated on that page, you have to record a couple seconds on the card to get it in the proper mood

[03:18:14]

BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: Turns out the MythTV default decode of 324 kbits is incomaptable with the card. Need to set it to 224 kbits to get audio.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

wagnerrp: yes and no. HD over this radeon driver sucks pretty bad. The on-board nvidia I had before was great with the closed-source drivers, but then every time I'd update the kernel something would break.

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BobLfoot:

mode !mood

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Good driver support for video playback in linux is still a little short of optimal.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv *used* to default to 224kbps

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wagnerrp:

if it no longer does, thats a typo and needs to be fixed

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MerryTughan:

EdWyse_Mobile: We have HD playing on a Nvidia GT220 with the closed drivers and VDPAU working smoothly.

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wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: would that be the 'radeon' driver? or the 'fglrx' one?

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wagnerrp:

because you should be running the latter

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wagnerrp:

and if you forget to update your modules when you update your kernel, thats your own fault

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devicenull:

I dont suppose a tool exists that will automatically try to fill in metadata for videos based on their name?

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: MythTV 0.22 from the RPMFusion Repos defaults to 324 Kbits.

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EdWyse_Mobile:

wagnerrp: that's not the point.

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wagnerrp:

devicenull: in mythvideo, hit 'w'

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wagnerrp:

EdWyse_Mobile: that is the point... the OSS drivers have ALWAYS had poor multimedia and opengl support

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wagnerrp:

especially on newer cards

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wagnerrp:

which means the proprietary drivers are recommended for nvidia and ATI cards

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devicenull:

oh, thats clever :p

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wagnerrp:

and as with all external drivers, when you update the kernel, you have to update the external driver modules as well

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wagnerrp:

what distro are you running?

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wagnerrp:

at least gentoo has some tool designed to figure out what external modules you have loaded

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wagnerrp:

and recompile/install them automatically when you build a new kernel

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Sorry, wasn't trying to start an argument. Was just curious if you had a favorite.

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wagnerrp:

im just stating that proprietary drivers are an unfortunate necessity with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and all the difficulties that come about from them

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wagnerrp:

anyway, nvidia have always been the recommended cards for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

because their drivers tend to 'just work'

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wagnerrp:

the 8 and 9 series stuff have spdif connectors to allow passthrough audio with hdmi

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wagnerrp:

i think some of the newer GT cards have onboard audio, but dont quote me on that

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wagnerrp:

however if you dont care about audio, any card with a DVI port will work for HDMI

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wagnerrp:

BobLfoot: i see options in the code for recording bitrates of 224kbps, but not 324kbps

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MerryTughan:

wagnerrp: Some of their cards don't even come HDMI though. The GT220 we got had VGA, DVI, and DisplayPort. I had to use a DVI->HDMI adapter I had for an ATI card for HDMI out.

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MerryTughan:

It's fine though because we were planning to run optical straight to our audio receiver anyway.

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: like i said, if you dont care about audio, any card with a DVI port will work for HDMI

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MerryTughan:

With a passive adapter or cable, yeah.

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Dagmar:

Tip: HDMI isn't exactly your friend.

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wagnerrp:

which are dirt cheap as long as you dont go to a retail store

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MerryTughan:

Not exactly dirt cheap even at a computer store. They have royalties on them.

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wagnerrp:

on the connectors?

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MerryTughan:

On HDMI connectors, yes.

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MerryTughan:

Not on DVI.

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AndyCap:

The logo I would bet. :)

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MerryTughan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Relationship_with_DisplayPort

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AndyCap:

probably the only thing that they can claim any intellectual property on in the cable

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clever:

Dagmar: ?

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wagnerrp:

well monoprice has adapters starting at $4, and adapter cables starting at $3.25.... id consider that dirt cheap

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AndyCap:

MerryTughan: that says devices. i.e. not cables

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Dagmar:

It doesn't really offer any better quality than DVI, but it does gleefully let you have HDCP in your way, and the aforementioned royalties

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MerryTughan:

Dagmar: DVI had HDCP too.

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nemith:

and it's a digital signal... $90 cables are a rip off

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: only after it was created for HDMI

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MerryTughan:

God, I'd never spend $90 on a 12' cable.

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AndyCap:

nemith: well, it doesn't have to be digital for $90 cables to be a rip off

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wagnerrp:

HDCP was something non-standard tacked onto DVI hardware

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nemith:

AndyCap: true

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: my mistake I jsut checked it was 384 not 324 that it defaulted to.

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clever:

Dagmar: what about having audio thru the same HDMI cable and some control?

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AndyCap:

clever: and now ethernet.

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clever:

AndyCap: ethernet thru hdmi?

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AndyCap:

clever: pretty evil isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: sure, plug one device into the network, get connectivity on all attached devices sans wifi

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wagnerrp:

although why you would need more than one internet connected box next to your tv, i dont know

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MerryTughan:

wagnerrp: Maybe I have to look for a better supplier. The computer store I frequent has the cheapest adapter for $11 CAD.

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yeah, could you say security nightmare?

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nemith:

So I am planning on using a HomerunHD ... any suggestions on a quite frontend/backend combo? Right now i am thinking macmini (Nvidia for offloading, ir builtin, run mythbuntu)

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: key revocation, deletion of your recordings when the provider feels like it, automagic updates.

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: well the provider can already do that over the cable line, which has a comparable amount of bandwidth as HDMI

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: for the cablebox sure. but now they'll tell the tv to "fix" your blu-ray player and amplifier too

[03:38:55]

** AndyCap is feeling paranoid **

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: the moment they revoke the key on my bluray player is the moment they have a huge lawsuit on their hands

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wagnerrp:

i dare them to try

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** wagnerrp watches as tens of millions of PS3 owners ransack SCEA headquarters **

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clever:

id think they can revoke just 1 of the keys within the device

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wagnerrp:

no, they have to revoke the entire generation

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clever:

yeah, that would screw things up

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EdWyse_Mobile:

So it's the EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO setting that allows sound to work in F12.

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wagnerrp:

no, its the EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO that would allow mythtv to use pulseaudio in F12

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EdWyse_Mobile:

Whatever.

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt mean it will work

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EdWyse_Mobile:

No sound without it. Sound with it.

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wagnerrp:

and it almost certainly wont work

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wagnerrp:

hence EXPERIMENTAL

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wagnerrp:

you will get sound out of it

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EdWyse_Mobile:

I just prefer hearing the movies while I watch them.

[03:47:44]

wagnerrp:

but the a/v sync will be horribly skewed

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EdWyse_Mobile:

damn

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wagnerrp:

on the order of tens of seconds

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AndyCap:

I ditched pulseaudio on the frontend since it can't do ac3/dts passthrough anyway

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iamlindoro:

This is easily the most disgusting episode of Dirty Jobs ever

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iamlindoro:

the "bite out the testicles of lambs" episode

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mangus580:

iamlindoro: which episode?

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mangus580:

oh

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wagnerrp:

'bite out'? why?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I agree....

[04:07:40]

iamlindoro:

apparently the most expeditious way

[04:07:55]

iamlindoro:

slice open the scrotum, hten grab 'em with the teeth and yank

[04:07:59]

iamlindoro:

ew

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mangus580:

thats aweful!

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mangus580:

LOL

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iamlindoro:

not that it's nearly as bad, but then chop off the tail and hack off a chunk of ear too

[04:10:12]

mangus580:

I'm watching the new star trek :-)

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iamlindoro:

ah, now the testicle cooking and eating segment

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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iamlindoro:

I mean, I guess they already had them in their mouths anyway

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wagnerrp:

yeah... no.... it still makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

i mean its like chitlins... we dont *have* to eat that part of the animal, so why would you willingly do so

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AndyCap:

to get bigger testicles?

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wagnerrp:

reading the feature wishlist always amuses me

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wagnerrp:

'VLC integration'.... aka 'turn mythtv into a fancy frontend for VLC'

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[R]:

whats the point of that?

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wagnerrp:

to give mythtv all the functionality it so desperately already has

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

see whats the point of putting stupid nonsense like this

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[R]:

# MythTV Frontend and backend runnning on a Casio fx7000G (1985) pocket calculator

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wagnerrp:

no, that has a point

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wagnerrp:

it was supposed to stop people from putting all their absurd platform requests in

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

... only it failed

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AndyCap:

Hah, you just set the lower bar for porting requests.

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sphery:

Is "mythexport" some thing added by some distro? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/415453#415453 (a thread buried in another thread)

[04:29:10]

wagnerrp:

mythbuntu

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sphery:

ah, that explains why I've never heard of using MythWeb to do that type of stuff

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wagnerrp:

what is the advanced scheduling called?

[04:30:24]

wagnerrp:

the one with user-written sql?

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iamlindoro:

power search?

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iamlindoro:

or "Custom Record" in the FE

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wagnerrp:

and this one... 'have mythfilldatabase grab the additional "cast" data and insert it into the database'

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wagnerrp:

how does myth not already do that?

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sphery:

who's asking for that?

[04:40:18]

sphery:

something on -users?

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wagnerrp:

backend wishlist

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sphery:

I'm guessing it's someone who's not from the US, and, therefore gets poor-quality listings that don't have cast info

[04:40:52]

sphery:

so they want to abuse some tv website for it

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iamlindoro:

or maybe who wants cast info that is more than just names?

[04:40:58]

sphery:

could be

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wagnerrp:

in both cases, what is mfd going to do if the data just isnt there

[04:41:36]

wagnerrp:

divine it out of thin electrons?

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iamlindoro:

that being the case has never stopped people complaining about it not being there

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sphery:

so when you do a dd of /dev/zero to make a file to hold an image of a filesystem and you mis-type the count (leaving off a zero), you end up with a filesystem that's 1/10 the size you wanted :)

[04:42:13]

wagnerrp:

better than adding a zero

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iamlindoro:

curse you basic math!

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sphery:

I did the math right--it's that typing that killed me

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iamlindoro:

curse you Mavis Beacon!

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sphery:

I even opened up the bash_history to prove I actually typed 50 instead of 500

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wagnerrp:

and the whole 'commercial flag sharing' fiasco.... oh but we can share hashes, which can somehow be identical for a not-bit-identical frame!

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wagnerrp:

people dont seem to understand the definition of hash

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iamlindoro:

that's for sure

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iamlindoro:

Exciting month in Entertainment-- Daily Show and Colbert in HD on monday, Chuck in a week, MAss Effect 2 this month...

[04:47:57]

iamlindoro:

heck, Human Target might even be bearable

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sphery:

wagnerrp: either that or they spend too much time smoking it

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MerryTughan:

Is widescreen autodetection supposed to work with the VDPAU output module? It doesn't seem to be here.

[04:49:15]

wagnerrp:

'allow mythcommflag to work outside of mythtv'

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iamlindoro:

MerryTughan, No, only with software decode

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: no, it does not

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MerryTughan:

iamlindoro: Okay, thanks. It was unfortunate, but VDPAU gives better output.

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wagnerrp:

MerryTughan: arguable

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wagnerrp:

i saw a vast improvement in analog output between my 6200 and 8400, but see no difference between VDPAU decoded and software decoded

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MerryTughan:

wagnerrp: Seems to here, with upscaling and deinterlacing.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: feel free to put a reference to comskip on the "commflagger without myth" one

[04:50:59]

wagnerrp:

shouldnt VDPAU use the same upscaler it provides to Xv?

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sphery:

as it's a fork of mythcommflag that works without myth

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sphery:

http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/

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wagnerrp:

sphery: actually, a while back i commented that it was gpl'd code, they were free to use it for their own projects

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sphery:

and someone has

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wagnerrp:

no reference to mythtv on that page?

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sphery:

they've actually added things to comskip that aren't in mythcommflag

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sphery:

it's diverged quite a bit

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wagnerrp:

should i just wipe the whole, 'schedule recordings on free tuners of other master backends' thing?

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sphery:

distributed recording--use your friends' tuners type stuff?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

if so, yeah

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sphery:

I can't see any reason why myth would need that

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wagnerrp:

for use on university networks and apartment buildings

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sphery:

closest I could imagine is some family with a separate myth system for the kids and the parents

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sphery:

and the parents want to borrow a kid's tuner, but they should either a) get enough tuners for themselves or b) do it manually

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wagnerrp:

well the concept is recording on a machine thats not your own

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the security issues that would arise from such a solution

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wagnerrp:

such as one bored hacker on the network trolling port 6543 and deleting everyone's recordings

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sphery:

yeah, just a bad idea

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sphery:

really, buying another $20-$50 tuner is the answer

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wagnerrp:

honestly, id love to see some form of authentication being done over mythproto

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iamlindoro:

sphery, excepting those people for whom spending one red cent is sacrilege ?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

although im sure implementing any real form of security sense into mythtv would require a massive overhaul

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ipsec!

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wagnerrp:

im not talking encryption, just authentication

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ah, yeah, copyrighted material wants to be free and all

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[R]:

wagnerrp: ipsec can do that

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iamlindoro:

and fonts and software and listings

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

basically, anything that's worth paying money for wants to be free

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wagnerrp:

of course im still running my sql server with mythtv:mythtv

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iamlindoro:

and television and movies and music

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I decided to implement a basic level of security for Myth's DB. I used the default password for the username and used the default username for the password

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sphery:

just enough to throw a clever hacker off my trail

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wagnerrp:

man, that sounds like something one would do for their luggage

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

and theres f-all you can do for security on a diskless machine

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iamlindoro:

Reminds me of one of my favorite things, when people write bugs on Myth "security flaws"

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wagnerrp:

not without burning your own PXE rom anyway

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wagnerrp:

'warning: mythtv is insecure'.... n-s sherlock

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wagnerrp:

[R]: so i can set up an authenticated but unencrypted tunnel with ipsec?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yup... we were setting it up at my work

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[R]:

stupid NSA

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wagnerrp:

is that something i can 'fire-and-forget', leave the kernel to manage everything?

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wagnerrp:

or would i need a userland program to maintain the tunnel

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[R]:

i dont know how to set it up really

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[R]:

(in linux that is)

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[R]:

windows it was pretty braindead simple

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[R]:

i would assume you need userland to set it up

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wagnerrp:

i was just looking to set up some sort of security on my boot shares the other day

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wagnerrp:

using some form of key derived from hardware IDs on the system

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[R]:

well you can do preshared key or the traditional signing key

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wagnerrp:

boot share.... diskless... so theres nothing on the hardware to store the key

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wagnerrp:

aside from custom ROM burning

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[R]:

so you can do PSK if you derive it from somethign hardwarwe

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[R]:

obviously the initial bootstrap would have to be unsecured though

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wagnerrp:

but that wouldnt matter

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[R]:

so you could write an initramfs that sets up ipsec and sets the key to somethign it grabs from hw

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wagnerrp:

thats the idea

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[R]:

lazy zotac

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AndyCap:

burning a custom rom isn't that hard though. not sure if gpxe has any meaningful ssl yet though

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[R]:

there is a UUID field dmidecode is showing

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[R]:

but its like 23456

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you should set up your systems so that if someone tries to boot it without the special key floppy in the floppy drive, it secure deletes everything... And you should keep the floppy in an envelope taped to the top of the inside of the freezer.

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[R]:

floppies are prone to failure

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wagnerrp:

secure deletes are vulnerable to people who can pull the power

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wagnerrp:

thermite FTW

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sphery:

never stopped anyone in '80's and '90's spy movies (and Stargate SG-1 :)

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i loved when they stored massive amounts of data

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[R]:

on a floppy

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AndyCap:

fractal compression ftw

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AndyCap:

:P

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wagnerrp:

fractals suck

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wagnerrp:

everyone knows you just place your own personal SAN in a portable inter-dimensional fold

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AndyCap:

oooh-iii-oooo.

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[R]:

am i going to bring nothing but pain and destruction upon myself if i t ry to use trunk?

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wagnerrp:

and sharks

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

seriously though

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[R]:

maybe i'll backup and see what happens

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whiteley_:

Is it possible to exit liveTV, and have it continue to record? (ideally for some configurable amount of time?)

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wagnerrp:

hit 'r'

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wagnerrp:

it turns it into a real boy... erm, recording

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whiteley_:

that's the only way?

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wagnerrp:

just make sure to hit record before you exit

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, it will terminate recording when you terminate livetv

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[R]:

the onl ywy? what else do you want it to do? magic?

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wagnerrp:

telepathy

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whiteley_:

well, for example, TiVo always records liveTV, regardless of where you are in the menu system.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only records if you have scheduled something or if you are in livetv mode

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wagnerrp:

that includes the livetv epg as well

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whiteley_:

ok.

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whiteley_:

that leads to another question. If I leave it on liveTV for a long time, I've noticed that it will gather up a bunch of shows on disk.

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wagnerrp:

correct

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whiteley_:

is there any way to browse/play those with a FE?

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wagnerrp:

adjust your recording filter

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wagnerrp:

in the 'm' menu i believe

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whiteley_:

ah.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i just went through the commit log... i don't see anyhtign spectacular in trunk yet

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wagnerrp:

no, theres not

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wagnerrp:

theres some no UI stuff

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whiteley_:

now if I could just get closed captions to work, I could replace my TiVo...

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wagnerrp:

theres the hashing in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

theres the event system

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wagnerrp:

theres a whole slew of fixes here and there

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[R]:

the osd ui stuff is on a branch... if thats what you are talking about

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[R]:

and lots of little fixes... and the event system doesnt intereest me

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wagnerrp:

but no game breakers like the qt4 migration

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[R]:

well time to get back to my TODO

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whiteley_:

oh, also, if I hit 'r' while watching liveTV, then exit liveTV, is there a way to have it bookmark where I exited?

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wagnerrp:

dont know if it does that

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt be a bad idea to add

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[R]:

it doesn't

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[R]:

whiteley_: you migth be able to hit enter after you hit r to manually mark the bookmark

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[R]:

actually

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[R]:

there is a way to make it prompt you when you are leaving livetv

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[R]:

although i dunno if that'll work

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[R]:

and that just seems like it'd be extemely annoying

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whiteley_:

cool. 'r', Enter works.

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sphery:

Woah... What's this... In Thunderbird 3 on a completely new filesystem/system install, I typed in my name and e-mail address in the welcome box and it said, "Shredder is looking up the details of your account," and it found it.

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[R]:

found what?

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sphery:

(Shredder is the "I didn't accept the Thunderbird trademark license" name for the e-mail client)

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wagnerrp:

what else would you expect from a mutant ninja rat?

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sphery:

I'm just wondering how it found it

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sphery:

could query the DNS server, I suppose

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wagnerrp:

DNS only provides the SMTP servers, not pop/imap

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wagnerrp:

and it shouldnt give any account information either

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sphery:

it gets the fact that it's IMAP/TLS and SMTP/TLS and ports were "standard" ports

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sphery:

I'm guessing it pings the ports, too

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Fleck:

how can i set up mythtv to remember audio channels i am selecting? next time i select channel it's again default

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[R]:

you mean like language?

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Fleck:

yeah

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[R]:

someone told me that the option for language in the guide

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[R]:

is actually used as the default for the audio channel

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Fleck:

guide is in one lang – audio is another lang. :)

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[R]:

well thats the only option

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[R]:

is the "wrong" audio option the same as the guide language?

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Fleck:

nope

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[R]:

i dont know if it tries both language options

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[R]:

but you could tyr putting the 2nd language option to be the one for the aduio

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hipitihop:

I used to get an error if I scheduled transcoding and changed to use mpeg4 and now seems to be running. Question remains, does this convert the original recording or does it create a sperate file made available via uPnP

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hipitihop:

s/sperate/seperate

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wagnerrp:

converts and overwrites the original by default

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, so that suggests that a) will efect quality of normal playback and b) will be available in this format over uPnP

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** hipitihop thinks b) is a bonus to help iPhone based playback but a) may be detrimental but I will see once transcoding is complete **

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Guest81271:

Hi! If i install mythtv on my pc and connect it to the tv, then can i stream video from my win pc over the router? :) Have checked the documentation but havent really found the answer..

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mzb:

Guest81271, you haven't really asked a question that makes sense. How about you explain what you want to do in more detail?

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Guest81271:

hehe. I understand it might not make sense, as i fully dont understand mythTv. This i want to do; have a htpc connected to my tv. I want to watch videos i have on a another computer, that has windows. Is this possible?

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jarle:

Guest81271: Do you want to record TV? If not, MythTV is not for you. If you only want to play videos you should look at XBMC instead.

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Gumby:

Im running 0.21.0+fixes-21583 and when I am watching a video or TV and I jump forward/back there is a loud pop. I believe it only happens when I run my audio through HDMI

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antgel:

i'm getting this about 10x / second during playback:

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antgel:

2010-01–03 14:01:28.618 Set video sync frame interval to 40000

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antgel:

2010-01–03 14:01:28.619 Enabled deinterlacing

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antgel:

i don't know if it's a problem per se – the real problem that caused me to look in the logs, is that my ITV HD is stuttering – it's pretty obvious during this football match

[14:14:52]

antgel:

could it be that my GPU is running out of steam? (VDPAU Slim)

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antgel:

am using 0.22-fixes

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antgel:

i'll try using a non-VDPAU profile and see if it jerks

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antgel:

also, there's an error on startup about not being able to access /dev/drm/card0 – is this important?

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antgel:

okay, tried viewing the same broadcast with the Normal profile, it's not jerking as such now, but it is blurring and CPU util is at 99%

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antgel:

hmm, quiet in here today

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antgel:

that's so weird – now i've gone back to to VDPAU Slim and there's no jerking, although the logs are still full of the same messages

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_ben:

so, you know that asrock ion box – would you get the one with blu ray for when you can eventually play blu ray in linux without the decrypting/dumping process?

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antgel:

_ben: everything i know about it (not much) has suggested that this is unlikely to be possible, if not ever, then certainly not any time soon

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_ben:

ok, i'll just go for the dvd model then =)

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wagnerrp:

_ben: yeah... that 'eventually' is a long way off

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey all

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darkdrgn2k3:

hwos does TMDB work?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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darkdrgn2k3:

i found a video on the site thats the cover is not being downloaded in myth

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darkdrgn2k3:

i tried typing in the TMDB but it still doesnt find it

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wagnerrp:

its possible the image was added recently, and the update hasnt been pushed to the api cache servers

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wagnerrp:

what movie specificall?

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darkdrgn2k3:

cattle call

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darkdrgn2k3:

i know that cover been there for a while now

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darkdrgn2k3:

(before release of .22

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wagnerrp:

it should be pulling fanart and a coverfile

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darkdrgn2k3:

says none found

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wagnerrp:

'works for me'

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wagnerrp:

hold on... let me try the older script

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darkdrgn2k3:

i tried using edit andchangin TMDB to 18404

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darkdrgn2k3:

(reset metadata first)

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darkdrgn2k3:

then pressed w "No maches where found"

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iamlindoro:

If you are using tmdb.pl, 18404 is not a valid number

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wagnerrp:

ah... right... that one

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wagnerrp:

that movie has no IMDB number listed

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iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl *only* takes IMDB numbers, not TMDB ones

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wagnerrp:

meaning it will not work with the scripts existing in trunk

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darkdrgn2k3:

o ok

[16:52:23]

wagnerrp:

erm... 0.22

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wagnerrp:

it works fine in trunk

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iamlindoro:

so if you want it to work with tmdb.pl, you need to go to tmdb, add the IMDB number, and wait for the API servers to refresh

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darkdrgn2k3:

is trunk staabilish still?

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wagnerrp:

so either upgrade to trunk, update the movie on TMDB and wait for the cache update, or apply #6467

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wagnerrp:

the last of which may not still function with the latest version of tmdb.pl

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmmm 6467...

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wagnerrp:

i make no guarantees

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darkdrgn2k3:

understood

[16:54:29]

darkdrgn2k3:

is trunk stableish?

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wagnerrp:

for the most part, there havent been any big breakers during this dev cycle

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darkdrgn2k3:

cool

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darkdrgn2k3:

well its not like i cn even do DVB and i know allot of work is mostly focused on that now a dys

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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darkdrgn2k3:

well it was anyway to get to .22

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darkdrgn2k3:

i been out of the loop to much :'(

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wagnerrp:

DVB-S2 was a lot of work to get into 0.22, and i think its still supposed to be fairly buggy

[16:56:46]

wagnerrp:

but besides that, there havent really been much in the way of changes to digital tuners in a while

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok one more quick quetion

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darkdrgn2k3:

whats better.. DVD ISOs or MVKs

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darkdrgn2k3:

uhh MKV

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wagnerrp:

at the moment? MKVs

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darkdrgn2k3:

so convert DVD to MKV at what.. 64%?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.23? well that depends on if you care to keep all the extra DVD menus and around

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wagnerrp:

64% what?

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darkdrgn2k3:

quality

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darkdrgn2k3:

soryr

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wagnerrp:

i still have no idea what that means

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darkdrgn2k3:

RF 18

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wagnerrp:

still lost

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darkdrgn2k3:

Compression for MKVs

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wagnerrp:

MKVs are not compressed

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok soryr im using Hand Break to convert

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darkdrgn2k3:

using Constat Quality

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darkdrgn2k3:

what the quality % for if not compression?

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wagnerrp:

mkv is just a container

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wagnerrp:

holding one or more audio and video streams

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darkdrgn2k3:

doh

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wagnerrp:

you compress the video

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darkdrgn2k3:

your right im soryr

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darkdrgn2k3:

H.264 (x264)

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wagnerrp:

and as far as what '64%' means, i have no clue

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darkdrgn2k3:

my bad :-P

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wagnerrp:

since thats certainly not a x264 setting

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wagnerrp:

but some value handbrake translates internally

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darkdrgn2k3:

what does CRF stand for again?

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wagnerrp:

if youre not shooting for a specific file size, just run single pass with a constant quantizer of around 20

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darkdrgn2k3:

the smaller the better?

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wagnerrp:

that will net you a movie somewhere between 800MB-1.6GB, depending on the length, and the compressibility of film

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wagnerrp:

18 is said to be effectively lossless for x264

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darkdrgn2k3:

so 20 is better or wors then 18?

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wagnerrp:

20 is considerably smaller, but still basically perceivably lossless

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wagnerrp:

now how that would translate into the settings you can give handbrake, i have no idea

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darkdrgn2k3:

perfect

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh they call it RF

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darkdrgn2k3:

cause i been running them trough at 18

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wagnerrp:

a value of 18, youre looking at 2+GB for a movie

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wagnerrp:

assuming thats the same value as x264 uses

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darkdrgn2k3:

i ran one at 20.. and ther was some very notivible dithering......

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darkdrgn2k3:

but im not sure if that was int he original too

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wagnerrp:

there should be no dithering

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wagnerrp:

because both mpeg2 and h264 run YUV.... 12-bit color

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm wierd..

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok one more quetsion

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darkdrgn2k3:

when i add Bitmap subtitles from a DVD into a MKV stream,

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darkdrgn2k3:

and play them on Myth they look all wierd

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darkdrgn2k3:

they look like they are outlined...

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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darkdrgn2k3:

ill take a screen shot 1 sec

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darkdrgn2k3:

dam where can i upload a photo

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nemith:

hmm asrock ion330-ht's don't seem to be in stock

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darkdrgn2k3:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=123a5gg&s=6

[17:25:15]

darkdrgn2k3:

better yet http://i50.tinypic.com/123a5gg.jpg

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wilberfan:

brand new install on debian testing...just got the dreaded "No UPnP backends found" error...

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wagnerrp:

the upnp server is only active if you use a routeable IP for your backend.... 127.0.0.1 wont work

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wilberfan:

i've had working myth on this same hardware...never got that message before...

[17:32:48]

wilberfan:

what do i need to change in this case?

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antgel:

er, the IP address

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damnski:

uh, I need to get a new powerful AGP video card (HD capable) for under $50.00. Does anybody have a recommendation?

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iamlindoro:

If you're hoping to do VDPAU with that AGP card, you are out of luck

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wagnerrp:

wilberfan: mythtv-setup, first section, first page

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darkdrgn2k3:

any one know why the bitmat subtitles are soo outliney (http://i50.tinypic.com/123a5gg.jpg)

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wagnerrp:

damnski: aside from VDPAU, the only thing youre going to get out of a video card is Xv support, and enough opengl performance to run the UI

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wilberfan:

wagnerrp, thanks...i'll have a look...

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wagnerrp:

there is no need for 'power'

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, Because bitmapped subtitles are rendered at SD and then stretched

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iamlindoro:

this may get improved for .23, but might not

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wagnerrp:

and besides that, video cards have been 'HD capable' for over a decade now

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damnski:

wagnerrp: thanks.

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damnski:

What is the deal with VDPAU? You can only get those instructions on a PCI-E?

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: wierd part is they dont look 100% transperent...

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wagnerrp:

no, you only get that capability on a chip that supports it

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, 100% transparent? That would be "invisible"

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wagnerrp:

and manufactureres have only put that chip on PCI and PCI-e cards

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: i mean if you look (for example) around the edge of the text there is a yellow outlone

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: lso in the center of letters like the E and O

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, so?

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: dont think thats how they are shown on the DVD itself.

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iamlindoro:

again, scaling artifacts

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iamlindoro:

when stretching them, the interpolation of new pixels introduces error

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: hh i see... maybe ill look into it at some point myself.... just wanted to make sure that its not the video format itself :)

[17:38:47]

jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. running 9.04 with hauppauge t-500 card. my signal strength has been getting progressively worse after i put the harddrive into a machine with more memory and a better gfx card. any suggestions as how to turn on the lna? etc/modprobe.d/options.conf does not exist as it should do (from what i've read)

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iamlindoro:

if you do not understand myth video output very well, the liklihood of you being able to fix it is very low

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iamlindoro:

the issue is not still present because we like bugs

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: yeh mayube i should start on some of the ezer things first ;)

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damnski:

re: AGP cards, thanks.

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wilberfan:

meh. my password was wrong...

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wilberfan:

anyone have a working mythtv--using the liquorix kernel?? i have no idea how to get my lirc working with that kernel...

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DHR:

how does one shut down the backend on an upstart-based system (ubuntu 9.10)? The old way (/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop) no longer works.

[19:17:21]

iamlindoro:

probably best to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

[19:18:47]

DHR:

iamlindoro: good point. Done.

[19:26:53]

DHR:

the answer is: sudo stop mythtv-backend

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sid3windr:

why would it no longer work?

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sid3windr:

it's backwards compatible is it not?

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sid3windr:

(but it is /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop)

[19:33:23]

oobe:

when navigating in folders in mythgallery i always ( by habit ) use the esc to move up one dir but it sends me back to the myth menu what is the binging to move up one directory?

[19:36:00]

whiteley_:

is there any way to rig up separate buttons for Play and Pause?

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oobe:

whiteley_, no

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whiteley_:

oobe: bummer

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AndyCap:

whiteley_: the tcp control port lets you do that though

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wilberfan:

anyone have the time (or inclination) to help this semi-noob troubleshoot my non-functioning remote on my new myth install? The lirc daemon is running...but mode2 gives me an "error opening /dev/lirc"...

[19:51:36]

AndyCap:

telnet to 6546 if you have the network control port enabled "play speed pause" and "play speed normal"

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wilberfan:

irw won't respond with anything... i've copied a bunch of lircc files n' such from my working ubuntu myth setup...

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antgel:

wilberfan: should it not be /dev/lirc0? what does ls /dev/lirc report?

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martin__:

i'm presuming MythVideo caches it's fanart etc. on the frontend.... is there a way of clearing that cach?

[20:02:35]

martin__:

i.e. make the frontend re-grab all the/specific fanart from the server?

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[R]:

martin__: its cached in whatever path you set it up to use

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[R]:

martin__: so just delete them from that directory

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martin__:

hmmm... where is that set in the frontend?

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[R]:

in the mythvideo settings

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martin__:

aha.... found it ... thanks...

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wilberfan:

antgel, hang on, let me check...

[20:05:20]

wilberfan:

antgel, "cannot access /dev/lirc: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

martin__, The cache is in ~/.mythtv/themecache/

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iamlindoro:

not in the mythvideo settings

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antgel:

wilberfan: there you go. ls /dev/lirc0?

[20:06:46]

wilberfan:

antgel, ditto

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wilberfan:

"No such..."

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martin__:

iamlindoro, just that second found it! thanks... [R] you sent me in the right direction at least... thanks...

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antgel:

wilberfan: well, that's why it can't access it. you need to make sure the relevant kernel module is inserted for your hardware

[20:09:22]

wilberfan:

antgel, is that something you can help me with? i'm using the 'liquorix' kernel..and the guy that built it says the lirc module is included in it...

[20:09:52]

wilberfan:

he's never used lirc...so he can't help me with that...

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wilberfan:

you up for a challenge...? ;)

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jeffjeffdejeff:

anyone able to help please? running 9.04 with hauppauge t500 card. have done a scan of channels and it has found them, but am unable to see the programme guide. what do i need to do?

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[R]:

jeffjeffdejeff: what do you mean "see"

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jeffjeffdejeff:

there is no data when i go to the guide – no information on what programmes are schedued

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[R]:

did you set up the grabber in mythtv-setup?

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[R]:

did you then consequently run mythfilldatabase like it said?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

according to the parker1 guide, i didnt need to run mythfill as i'm using IET?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

or is it EIT :)

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[R]:

iet?

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[R]:

oh... if you have eit set up properly

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[R]:

eventually it'll fill in

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jeffjeffdejeff:

you think it could just be a matter of waiting then?

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[R]:

as long as its set up properly

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jeffjeffdejeff:

ahh, just done another scan of the channels and it's found some stuff. :D

[20:26:06]

antgel:

wilberfan: unfortunately i don't have time. this seems like a good time to see if you've read the documentation, including searching the wiki?

[20:27:40]

wilberfan:

antgel, i've been googling all morning... been reading the wiki, yeah...

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wilberfan:

antgel, but i appreciate your help so far...

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wilberfan:

antgel, maybe you don't remember being a noob ;-) — but a lot of *nix documentation only makes sense AFTER you understand it...not before...

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wilberfan:

;)

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wilberfan:

antgel, here's an interesting turn of events: i now have a /dev/lirc0 ...

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wilberfan:

(I changed my hardware.conf file...)

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wilberfan:

brb

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Golffies:

Hello

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Golffies:

I need help regarding LIRC

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Golffies:

I completed the steps described here : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install#Install

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Golffies:

But stil get error messages when trying to run irreccord

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Golffies:

irrecord: could not open /dev/lirc0

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[R]:

is lirc_serial loaded... what does dmesg say

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Golffies:

yes it is. I see it with lsmod

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Golffies:

Module Size Used by

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Golffies:

lirc_serial 11284 0

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Golffies:

lirc_dev 10804 1 lirc_serial

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Golffies:

I am not sure if LIRC should be running or stopped ?

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Golffies:

I tried both <sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start> and <sudo /etc/init.d/lircd stop>

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Golffies:

Browsing from on howto to another, I tried as well :

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Golffies:

$ sudo lircd -n

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Golffies:

lircd: can't open or create /var/run/lirc/lircd.pid

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Golffies:

lircd: No such file or directory

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Golffies:

Would someone help me to diagnose what is going wrong ?

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[R]:

still waiting for the answer to my questions...

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wilberfan:

i know you have to be patient in irc channels... (unpaid support and all)...

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Golffies:

Sorry [R]: I wrote : yes it is. I see it with lsmod

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[R]:

i didn't only ask 1 thing

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Golffies:

Here is what I got from dmesg :

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Golffies:

dmesg | grep lirc

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Golffies:

[35679.231970] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61

[20:45:38]

Golffies:

[35680.157116] lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

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Golffies:

[35680.157124] lirc_dev: lirc_register_driver: sample_rate: 0

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Golffies:

[35680.157279] lirc_serial $Revision: 5.104 $ registered

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[R]:

please stop flooding in here

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[R]:

that's all it says? doens't say anythig about /dev?

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Golffies:

nothing related to LIRC.

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Golffies:

But I do have a /dev/lirc0 in the file system

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[R]:

then whats the problem

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Golffies:

I see three problems:

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Golffies:

1 – I cannot use irrecord

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[R]:

ls -l /dev/lirc0

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Golffies:

2 – seems that lircd does not exist

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Golffies:

3 – command 'irw' is not recognised

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Golffies:

ls -l /dev/lirc0

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Golffies:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2010-01–03 20:07 /dev/lirc0

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[R]:

well thats why you canj't run irrecord

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Golffies:

seems obvious for you, it's not for me; please go ahead.

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frego:

I am now running Mythbuntu 9.10 from a fresh install using the INTERNAL player for videos. I used to be able to look through the mythfrontend.log and see what videos were being played via a remote console when I was running 9.04. Seems now it doesn't log what is being played from mythvideo. Any way to get that back while still retaining the internal player?.

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[R]:

Golffies: if you dont know why... i suggest you learn about linux basics before you try to use mythtv

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[R]:

frego: you might need to turn on one of the verbose flags

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Golffies:

I would like to enhance my knowledge thanks to you.

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Golffies:

That's true, I have not a fair understanding of LIRC architecture

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[R]:

it has nothing to do with lirc

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frego:

[R]>: is that a flag I pass to the internal player on the setup for which player to use?

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[R]:

frego: verbose flag on the frontend...

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Golffies:

You mean, the trouble is related to file access rights ?

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frego:

Thanks, R, will try that

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Golffies:

Thanks, R, it works:

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Golffies:

sudo chmod 777 /dev/lirc0

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Golffies:

regarding the two other issues (lircd and irw). What is going wrong ?

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[R]:

i doln't know

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[R]:

this isn't #lirc

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Golffies:

I can jump there. I guess 'irw' is one of the binaries installed by lirc package, I am right ?

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Reid:

Anyone familiar with DVD burning so it plays on normal dvd player?

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Gumby:

hi all, where do I go to set the mysql admin user/pass that mythtv-database would use during a dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database ?

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Gumby:

right now all I get is it asking me if this machine will be the only one or if there will be others and then it goes back to the command line stating... Failed to create or modify database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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antgel:

Gumby: there's lots of information in the mysql docs about setting the /mysql/ root password

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antgel:

Reid: suggest you ask your /real/ question :)

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Gumby:

antgel: isnt it supposed to ask me when I do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database ?

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antgel:

Gumby: i don't use packages for mythtv, so i don't know. what i do know is that reconfiguring the mythtv-database won't help you set your mysql root password, which you have to do so that dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database will have rights to create a database

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Gumby:

antgel: I know my root mysql password, I dont need to set it

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Gumby:

the problem is that mythtv doesnt know what it is

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antgel:

Gumby: ah. you said "where do I go to set the mysql admin user/pass"...

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antgel:

Gumby: and the dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask you for the details?

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Gumby:

antgel: I asked where to set the admin pass in regards to mythtv-database

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Gumby:

and no, dpkg-reconfogire mythtv-database does not ask me for the details

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antgel:

tried dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-backend? it's a long time since i used packages. also try dpkg-reconfigure -plow for both

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antgel:

but really it's easy enough to set manually in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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[R]:

Gumby: it might pull the myth db details from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Gumby:

[R]: thats not the same thing I dont believe. that is for the mysql user accessing the mythconverg db.

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antgel:

[R]: the packages should ask for the info at some point, otherwise they could never create a database

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antgel:

Gumby: good point

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Gumby:

oddly enough, the mythconverg db does get created when mythtv-database runs

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Gumby:

hrmm

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antgel:

Gumby: so try as i said ^^^, failing that you could email whoever created the packages, or create the database manually (pretty easy)

[21:40:27]

antgel:

Gumby: that's good, no?

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[R]:

Gumby: its gonna use debian-sys-maint if it can

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[R]:

did you delete that user?

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[R]:

but if its creating the database...

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[R]:

then its using the sys-maint user

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antgel:

[R]: you sure about that? i seem to remember debian-sys-maint is not a mysql root user, but my memory is hazy

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[R]:

i'm reading the script

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antgel:

sounds good *thumbs up*

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zyberzero:

Hi! I've ordered a Mini-ITX card that only fits an PCI express. I'm looking (but haven't found) any TV-card that are capable of both PCI Express and have an analogue receiver. Do you know of anyone?

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wagnerrp:

zyberzero: you mean board? anyway, there are only two mpeg capture cards available for pcie, one of them has drivers but a bug prevents it from working with mythtv, the other has no drivers

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wagnerrp:

anything else you may find will be a framegrabber, and should be avoided

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can grab a PVR-USB2, or HVR-1950

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zyberzero:

Yes, board. Sorry, I'm swedish and we use the same word for both card and board in computer related things... Which cards is it?

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wagnerrp:

or use an old box with a bunch of PCI bays, stick it in the closet, and load it with PVR-150s

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wagnerrp:

swedish.... well that changes things

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zyberzero:

So I'm looking for something capable of PAL.

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zyberzero:

as well.

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zyberzero:

the PVR-USB2 seems to have PAL support (I can at least order it from several swedish resellers)

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wagnerrp:

ok, your two options would be the HVR-1700 and HVR-2200, neither of which support analog on linux

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wagnerrp:

be aware that i am only suggesting cards with hardware mpeg2 encoders

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zyberzero:

Exactly. I've actually ordered a HVR-1700 before I saw that the HVR-1700 only supported digital... I'm only capable of receiving an analog signal in this house.

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wagnerrp:

there are likely pci-e cards that work with PAL, however they will be framegrabbers

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zyberzero:

I'm, and that is also the only thing I'm looking for since the main board houses an Intel Atom @ 1.8 GHz ;)

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wagnerrp:

which are not recommended for use with recording

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wagnerrp:

yeah, in that case, you can try your hand at driver design, grab a couple USB tuners, or shove an old PC in the closet/basement/attic/whereever with a bunch of PCI tuners

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zyberzero:

So the PVR-USB2 contains a MPEG encoder?

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frodef:

Any ideas why my "upcoming recordings" is suddenly completely empty?

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zyberzero:

(I was pretty sure that there was no chance that it could have an decoder on that small area, but, well, it seems that I was wrong)

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wagnerrp:

zyberzero: the PVR-USB2 is a big box, not a small dongle.... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2

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zyberzero:

Oh! I was looking at WinTV-USB2...

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zyberzero:

May have something to do about that :)

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frodef:

ugh, seems my tuner device disappeared.

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zyberzero:

wagnerrp: Is there any differences between the PVR-USB2 card MCE-kit or "only" PVR-USB2?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: small dongle... hehe

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zyberzero:

It seems that the card WITHOUT MCE kit is twice the price :S

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dave94117:

Hey everyone

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dave94117:

I don't get any channels when I scan for them. What is the best command line tool to check and see if there's a problem w/ my capture card?

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wagnerrp:

zyberzero: not sure, never used one

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wagnerrp:

dave94117: what tuner?

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dave94117:

pchdtv3000

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wagnerrp:

you can try 'scan', from the dvbutils package on your distro

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dave94117:

it has worked before

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dave94117:

right. i will try that again.

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dave94117:

dvb-apps is same as dvbutils? i'm using fedora and i can't find the scan command

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wagnerrp:

dvb-something-that-seems-like-it-would-be-a-toolset

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wagnerrp:

i dont know the name exactly

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wagnerrp:

and the executable may be dvbscan in your distro

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AndyCap:

and it's scan-dvb or dvb-scan

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dave94117:

i got dvbnet, dvbtraffic, dvbdate

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dave94117:

you're right scandvb

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AndyCap:

scandvb even

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wagnerrp:

last i used it, it was just 'scan'

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wagnerrp:

but that was maybe a year ago

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dave94117:

who's got an initial tuning data set for north america?

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wagnerrp:

the package you just installed

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dave94117:

/usr/shar/dvb-apps/atsc/us-CA-SF-Bay-Area

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wagnerrp:

not sure why there would be a channel table specifically for the bay area, but go for it

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dave94117:

yeah it scans and fails on all tuning

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[R]:

are you sure its plugged in and your antenna works?

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wagnerrp:

just just the US standard atsc

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wagnerrp:

s/just/try/

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dave94117:

okay — doesn't look good so far either

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wagnerrp:

you cant possibly be scanning that quickly

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dave94117:

scanning /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

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dave94117:

using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'

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wagnerrp:

its a good several minutes to scan through the ATSC channel table if you have sensible timeouts set

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dave94117:

yeah it's still running but each ?frequency? fails to tune

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wagnerrp:

check on silicondust.com, they have lineups available in your area

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iamlindoro:

presumably you aren't trying to scan cable with that table

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wagnerrp:

(as [R] asked several minutes ago)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, even with the right frequency table/modulation most of the frequencies are going to fail to tune, as they won't all be used

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dave94117:

i've gotten signal from here with this antenna before.

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wagnerrp:

see the silicondust site to determine what channels you should be receiving signal on

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iamlindoro:

nobody said you wouldn't get signal

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wagnerrp:

or, you can check antennaweb.org

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iamlindoro:

I said most frequencies will fail to tune

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wagnerrp:

or tvfool.com

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dave94117:

it failed on all of the atsc north america ones

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dave94117:

the scan inside myth-setup doesn't find anything either

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[R]:

its so weird that they put lifetime on clearqam here

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[R]:

its even more weird that silicondust lists it as 1080i AND 1080p

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[R]:

wagnerrp: 1gb for 30 minutes from a hdpvr... does that seem right?

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LabMonkey:

mkay

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LabMonkey:

I run mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

[R]: seems rather low

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LabMonkey:

it asks me language, I choose english

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[R]:

thats what i thought

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iamlindoro:

likely default bitrate

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LabMonkey:

I get the main menu

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[R]:

but i cranked all the bitrates

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[R]:

up to the max

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LabMonkey:

and then X is locked at 100% cpu and mythv isn't responding to inputs

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iamlindoro:

[R], You are almost definitely still in VBR mode

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[R]:

oh wait

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wagnerrp:

i would expect ~2–2.5GB for that length

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[R]:

i think i dindt pay attention to that thing

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wagnerrp:

thats 10mbps

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[R]:

it said if AVG was higher than max

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[R]:

didn't it?

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[R]:

ah crap on me

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[R]:

i thought the hdpvr only went up to like 13 though

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[R]:

why does the menu let me go up to 20?

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[R]:

is that a bug? avg lets me go up to 13.5... but max lets me go up to 20.2

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iamlindoro:

because the chip allows for peaks up to 20

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iamlindoro:

CBR to 13.5

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[R]:

so if space be damned... set avg to 13.5 and max to 20?

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[R]:

or just both to 13.5?

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iamlindoro:

doesn't mean you'll get 13.5 if you set that

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iamlindoro:

set avg to 13.6 and max to 13.5 if you want max bitrate all the time

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iamlindoro:

obviously you'd need to do that for each res and for all profiles

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[R]:

avg won't go to 13.6

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iamlindoro:

13.5 and 13.4 then

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[R]:

gonna have to hack the db for that

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[R]:

the sliders aren't very cooperative

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syamajala:

how do you delete a recording profile?

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[R]:

i coudln't figure that one out myself

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[R]:

you could probably delete it from the db

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[R]:

iamlindoro: it looks like by the code the two have to be the same

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i read somewhere that said avg just had to be higher

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[R]:

oh n/m... i forgot about that call to max

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LabMonkey:

I might also mention that my problem didn't start until I upgraded mythtv and it forced me to use the new terra theme

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[R]:

you could try using the Qt painter

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LabMonkey:

I would if it would stop locking up my display before I can even get to settings

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[R]:

there is a -O setting

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[R]:

to override it

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[R]:

why is stargate atlantis so stupid

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sid3windr:

is it me or is myth's math a bit off

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[R]:

why don't they just cloak BEFORE they go through the gate

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sid3windr:

Sun, Jan 3, 11:35 PM to 01:05 AM (51 mins)

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[R]:

sid3windr: where does it say that?

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sid3windr:

mythweb

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sid3windr:

(0.21-fixes)

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sid3windr:

when I click on the show

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sid3windr:

start time is right, duration is right, end time is not

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[R]:

well try 22... if it persists... file a bug report

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sid3windr:

yeah, 22 is on the roadmap ;)

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sid3windr:

I never noticed it was wrong

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syamajala:

hmm

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sid3windr:

it's the only show where it's wrong actually

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sid3windr:

and the next one starts at 1:05 AM

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sid3windr:

hmm, does xmltv contain start, stop and length separately?

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wagnerrp:

LabMonkey: it only would have forced you to use the terra theme if you were trying to use an old, unsupported one

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sid3windr:

if so might be the grabber's fault :)

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wagnerrp:

also... '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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[R]:

sid3windr: well look at the database

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LabMonkey:

wagnerrp: well I had problems upgrading the database schema in addition to that, so I just backed up and dropped the old database completely then started from scratch... so it's like a new installation

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