Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 1st, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I suppose you'd have to have played Crysis with the settings up on full

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wagnerrp:

i mean the 'demoscene'...

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wagnerrp:

is that the people trying to do 3d demos in the smallest number of kilobytes?

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Dagmar:

I don't think demo scene coders *ever* did anything even remotely photorealistic that wasn't subsequently mapped onto some objects just because they can

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Dagmar:

It's not so much the number of bytes as is it was the near technical impossibility

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Dagmar:

C-64 demoscene coders were *way* beyond what most professional game programmers could manage

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Dagmar:

This is why they wound up forming into companies like Psygnosis

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it's purely just a demonstration of skill, sometimes in efficiency, sometimes in visual quality, etc

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sid3windr:

yup

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sid3windr:

also formed remedy

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wagnerrp:

ok, i just remember some 'demo' several years ago with several minutes of some 3d fly-through, complete with music, stored in 64KB

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Dagmar:

There were positively tons of that stuff

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sid3windr:

yeh, the 64kB compo is one of the branches

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sid3windr:

hehe

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** sid3windr <3 demoscene **

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wagnerrp:

of quality comparable to graphics from just a few years previos

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: you aren't per chance interested in an assembly '03 dvd ? :P

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sid3windr:

as I ordered 2 accidentally ;/

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Dagmar:

Not really

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sid3windr:

hehe

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_ben:

mm, you know in the programme guide, what do you hit to watch a programme?

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_ben:

as opposed to getting a menu up asking if you want to record?

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justinh:

depends which guide you're in, fool

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[R]:

_ben: what version of myth are you using

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_ben:

.22

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[R]:

22 what

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[R]:

final, rc, fixes?

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_ben:

let me check

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_ben:

0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

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[R]:

theres an opptioin in the setting

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[R]:

about 'select changes channel'

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[R]:

or something

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justinh:

if you're using the livetv EPG, you need to have 'use select to change channels'

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[R]:

in the program guide settings

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_ben:

cheers [R]

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justinh:

but only in livetv

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justinh:

whatever that is ;-)

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_ben:

that did the trick

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sid3windr:

so, [R], did this setting really change between rc, final and fixes?

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[R]:

they removed it in fixes

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[R]:

its always on

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[R]:

and stupid ubuntu is shipping with an rc

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sid3windr:

an rc of fixes? :|

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[R]:

its not really fixes

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[R]:

its an rc of 22

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sid3windr:

but they called it fixes for fun? :|

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[R]:

the svn number matches up correctly though

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wagnerrp:

fantastic... an hour later i realize i have putty in 'latin-1' mode

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Led-Hed:

I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 but cant seem to Rip DVD's. What packages are needed to Rip DVD's?

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[R]:

Led-Hed: how are you trying?

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Led-Hed:

from the Frontend

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[R]:

Led-Hed: and what does the log say? are you running mtd? what does it's log say?

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Led-Hed:

going to optical -> Import DVD

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Led-Hed:

[R], lemme check

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Led-Hed:

mtd.log says that MTD started and is running and listening on port 2442

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Led-Hed:

[R], nothing else in the Backend or frontend logs

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mzb:

look in the logs dir in your tmp directory (the one you've set for mytharchive)

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[R]:

then you need to turn up the verbosity then

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Led-Hed:

I reinserted the DVD, log says "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."

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[R]:

sounds like you are missing libdvdcss

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** Led-Hed is looking **

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Led-Hed:

is there a libdvdcss for x64?

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[R]:

i'm sure there is

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[R]:

but that has nothing to do with myth

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Led-Hed:

agreed

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mzb:

medibuntu?

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Led-Hed:

no

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Led-Hed:

Just plain jane 9.10

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mzb:

Led-Hed, no, I mean look at medibuntu

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mzb:

(add the repo)

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[R]:

you dont need medibuntu just for dvdcss

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Led-Hed:

ok, now I can play Encrypted DVD's in Xine, but still getting errors when trying to rip

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Led-Hed:

libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access

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Led-Hed:

2009-12–31 16:42:39.395 Error getting volume name, setting to"Unknown"

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Led-Hed:

libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed

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[R]:

what about mplayer

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** Led-Hed hides, because he cant figure out how to play a DVD in mplayer **

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_ben:

mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/foo or whatever

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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Led-Hed:

ugh I give up.

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[R]:

its amazing the things one can learn from a man page

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Led-Hed:

its not that

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Led-Hed:

I just need to get this DVD Ripped quickly. Its for my kids party, and its starting soon

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[R]:

so use mencoder

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Led-Hed:

The frontend I'm gonna be playing it on doesnt have a DVD drive

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[R]:

use handbrake

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[R]:

use one of the millions of other tools

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[R]:

use ffmpeg

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** Led-Hed pops it into DVDFab **

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wagnerrp:

the yahoo webmail program is really awful

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wagnerrp:

puts out some terrible headers

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justinh:

yeah well. what do you expect from Yahoo! ?

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wagnerrp:

i mean i check out the headers from Ben Woodhouse on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

only to be surprised where there *were* no headers

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wagnerrp:

turns out there actually are, but theres some strange unnamed block at the top with several newlines

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justinh:

only email I use is webmail now

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wagnerrp:

and i had to scroll down to see any data

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wagnerrp:

but then, he still has no 'in-reply-to' data

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wagnerrp:

so threading fails hard

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justinh:

the mailing lists fail hard

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justinh:

I can't remember the last heartening thing I saw on any of them. Aha.. some bloke called Robert talking about a new plugin. And that was it :-)

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wagnerrp:

so? when do we get our new sun?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, there are going to be some pretty irritated TWC subscribers come tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

no more Fox?

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iamlindoro:

seems like

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iamlindoro:

always the chance of an 11th hour agreement, but it's sure not looking like it

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wagnerrp:

got an article? i only saw some mention of it a couple days ago

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[R]:

oh damn thatsn ot good

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iamlindoro:

http://hd.engadget.com/2009/12/31/poll-will-f . . . w-years-day/

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[R]:

no space left on my myth backend

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[R]:

is all hope lost?

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[R]:

did it explode?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, just means people need to prop up an antenna

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iamlindoro:

suspect sphery is loving this :)

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iamlindoro:

since he strongly advocates people going OTA only

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[R]:

wagnerrp: no, i was talking about my lack of space

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what the affiliates take is on this

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wagnerrp:

whether or not they actually stand to make any money off TW paying Fox

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wagnerrp:

or if they only stand to lose if theyre no longer carried by cable

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[R]:

well i saw no explosions in the backend log

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: my sister had no CBS via Dish for almost 6 months in a similar dispute.

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[R]:

and it was idle the whole time

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[R]:

so i think i should be safe

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[R]:

although how i'm using 6.8gb is beyond me

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, Yeah, there are no consumer winners in disputes like this

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you never rotated it?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv logs a LOT by default

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[R]:

nah, the backend log rotates

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[R]:

1gb for /home

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sphing:

I'm sure I have a small use case, but why is a channel one to one with a video source? Is it not common use case to have a channel across multiple video sources?

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[R]:

sphing: so you make 2 channels with identical callsigns and numbers

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[R]:

sphing: then its the same thing

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wagnerrp:

[R]: then what is 6.8GB?

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sphing:

if I setup a recording on one of those channels and the input is being used for a different recording will it automatically fail over to the second input?

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[R]:

home is 1g, opt is 2g, usr is 1.4g and var is 1.8

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[R]:

wtf is 2g in opt

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

that would be my frontend

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[R]:

ok, i guess it adds up

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[R]:

ha

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[R]:

/var/log is 1g

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[R]:

even though i'm rotating... some of those mythbackend logs are huge

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[R]:

i get tons of h264 errors

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sphing:

if I have the same channel on two different sources and I setup a recording on said channel with myth select which ever tuner is not in use?

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[R]:

sphing: yup... thats the whole point

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wagnerrp:

sphing: depends on the recording rule

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wagnerrp:

if you tell it to record on a specific channel, that means that channel on that source

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sphing:

[R]: hmm, interesting way to model that no?

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wagnerrp:

if you tell it to do a generic record, it will pick up the show where ever it finds it

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[R]:

well if you do it by callsign

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[R]:

it'll pick the free tuner

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[R]:

assuming the callsigns match up

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sphing:

seems like channel and channel and source set are different concepts

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[R]:

sphing: what would you do if you had 2 inputs with the same lineup? you have 1 channel source

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sphing:

err... {channel} and {channel, source} are diff

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sphing:

[R] I have 2 inputs, with 2 lineups

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[R]:

then you have 2 channel sources

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[R]:

because its 2 diffenret lineups

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sphing:

i have an HDHR which only reads unencryped and an hd pvr which obviously gets everything.

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sphing:

my hd pvr can obviously record whatever my hdhr can... but channels are tied to a source

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[R]:

i have exactluy the same setup

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[R]:

and i have 2 sources... one for my hdpvr and one for my unencrypted

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sphing:

so if I want to record an unencrypted channel, can I setup myth to prioritize using my hdhr, but if they're both full fall back to my hd pvr?

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wagnerrp:

sphing: you *can* prioritize a tuner

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wagnerrp:

but the better option is to just specify the HDHR first

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will then only use the HDPVR if the recording cannot be found on the HDHR source, or if the HDHR is already in use

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sphing:

wagnerrp: yes I know, but will myth understand that a channel is on two sources (assuming my recording is 'this channel only')?

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wagnerrp:

setting priorities for things results in unexpected behavior more often than not

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sphing:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

no, a 'this channel only' means that specific channel in the database

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sphing:

gotcha.

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wagnerrp:

you will have to separate channels, one for each source

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[R]:

i have tuner #1 be my hdpvr and tuner #2/#3 are my unencrypted... but then for my inputs... input #1/#2 is my unencyprted and input #3 is my hdpvr

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sphing:

so I do have a small use-case? Seems like a channel should me one-to-many with channels

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[R]:

and livetv always picks the hdpvr first, and recordings always pick the unencrypted first

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[R]:

works out quite nicely

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[R]:

sphing: a channel is a channel

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[R]:

and it is part of 1 video source

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sphing:

[R]: I understand that's how it's done today, what I'm asking is does it make sense for a channel to potentially have more than one source

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[R]:

i'm like 95% positive

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[R]:

the mythtv documentation

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[R]:

explains all of this quite nicely

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sphing:

[R]: yes you are right

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[R]:

sphing: then you have 2 channels

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abqjp:

sphing: I have KOAT available via OTA, cable, and satellite. I added my OTA tuners first, followed by cabled, followed by satellite. Therefore, Myth will automatically choose OTA if available, fall back to cable next, and finally use satellite.

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wagnerrp:

sphing: your other option is to remove those channels from the HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

if you dont want to record them on the HDPVR, just remove them from your schedulesdirect lineup

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sphing:

Thanks, I understand that what I'm looking for can be accomplished given the current data model. All that I'm pointing out is that it's cumbersome. There are use cases where a single logical channel can be fulfilled by multiple source, so it doesn't make sense to tie a channel to a single source.

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abqjp:

sphing: and you don't have to.

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wagnerrp:

sphing: patches welcome... :P

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[R]:

the documentation explains it all quite nicely and explains why it is the way it is

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sphing:

wagnerrp: yea, wondering how much of a rework that would be (not to mention maintaining backwards compatibility would be interesting)

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wagnerrp:

sphing: mythtv has never had any form of backwards compatibility

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sphing:

wagnerrp, While I'm by no means committing myself to making that patch, do you think it would get accepted if I made it

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wagnerrp:

sphing: i think it would receive significant consideration depending on how much work was put into it

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wagnerrp:

probably the way you would want to do it would be split channel into two tables, one for identification information, and one referencing it for tuning information

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sphing:

wagnerrp, yea, I'm actually more interested in the changes needed to be made to scheduling code.

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sphing:

though it would make the tuner prioritization be pretty sweet

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wagnerrp:

sphing: you can do what you want right now, but it involves writing your own sql code for 'power recordings' or something like that

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sphing:

wagnerrp: Realisticaly it would be very difficult to actually release the code, I have to go through an approval process at work to release OSS code

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Led-Hed:

Is there a way to force a Poster in MythVideo (0.22)

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sphing:

but who knows... maybe I'll get fed up with it

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: you mean outside of the existing grabbers?

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Led-Hed:

when I press menu then scan, it doesnt find an image for a specific movie

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[R]:

Led-Hed: scan doesn't find posters...

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sphing:

anyway whtanks for your help wagnerrp, [R], and abqjp

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, ya, I have a lot of posters that I have downloaded

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wagnerrp:

you can put a image in the proper folder, and edit the poster manually

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Led-Hed:

ok, maybe things have changed. Where are the Video covers stored. I use to use posters as the images for movies I ripped.

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wagnerrp:

local files or storage groups?

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Led-Hed:

I dont use storage groups

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Led-Hed:

so I guess local

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wagnerrp:

so local files... then you can technically put them whereever you please

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wagnerrp:

then just provide the absolute file in the metadata editor in the UI

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Led-Hed:

ok, I guess I'm using posters wrong.

[02:30:04]

Led-Hed:

I have the path to the posters setup correctly, but new movies I've added since upgrading to 0.22 dont have images.

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Led-Hed:

old movies still find my images/covers I've specified

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wagnerrp:

that would only happen if the posters do not exist, or if mythfrontend does not have write access

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Led-Hed:

it has write access

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Led-Hed:

and the poster exists, with the exact name as the vob. only with a .jpg extension

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Led-Hed:

I tried adding it in MythWeb, but it didnt work

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Led-Hed:

NM. I'll just edit add it in MySQL

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

sphing: its so rare you see the recommendation to 'write some code' taken seriously

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** lyricnz tried to contribute to mythtv development, way back when, but found the community kindof unfriendly **

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[R]:

i'm gonna figure out this bug in the idle detection

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[R]:

and write a patch for it

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wagnerrp:

lyricnz: i wouldnt necessarily say unfriendly, more just engrossed in their own projects

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** lyricnz contributed a patch or two, iirc **

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lyricnz:

At least one of them was committed

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lyricnz:

But... my OSS energy is spent elsewhere now

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lyricnz:

Alas

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lyricnz:

Most of my myth-related hassles these days are actually linuxtv nonsense

[03:00:51]

lyricnz:

dvb drivers, cards etc

[03:01:38]

Led-Hed:

I use VLC to play Ripped DVD's. But some play in Spanish on VLC and English in Xine. Anyone know if there is a way to specify an Audio Track on a per Video basis?

[03:02:20]

lyricnz:

vlc --help

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: depends on your container

[03:02:38]

wagnerrp:

some allow you to specify a default

[03:02:45]

Led-Hed:

container?

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wagnerrp:

others let you define languages for the tracks, and lets the players decide their defaults

[03:03:44]

wagnerrp:

container... multiplex to a container, you encode to a codec

[03:04:04]

wagnerrp:

container would be avi, mpeg, mp4, mkv, nuv

[03:04:11]

Led-Hed:

ok

[03:04:18]

Led-Hed:

they are vob's

[03:04:18]

wagnerrp:

codec would be mpeg1, mpeg2, asp, avc, vc1

[03:04:27]

Led-Hed:

mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

a slight modification to the mpeg2 container

[03:04:52]

Led-Hed:

I typically just rip the Main movie without menus

[03:07:28]

wagnerrp:

at least in mythtv, you can select the audio channel in a video file through the on screen menu

[03:07:38]

wagnerrp:

i cant say about other players

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Led-Hed:

I was just wondering if there was a way to make it the default for that player

[03:08:21]

wagnerrp:

for vlc or xine? this isnt the support channel for either of those

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Led-Hed:

agreed, but there are a lot of users here with experience with both, and I was hoping that another myth user had come across my same issue.

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thread:

anyone have any idea why mute/volume might not work? I'm using pulseaudio -> alsa -> usb dac.

[03:11:35]

wagnerrp:

because mythtv is not designed to work with pulse audio

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[R]:

thread: you mean aside from the fact that pulseaudio is crap and kills baby kittens?

[03:11:36]

thread:

I can see the "Mute On" etc OSD when I hit F9, for instance, but nothing happens

[03:11:41]

lyricnz:

Led-Hed: "vlc -H" gives you a lot of perhaps-useful options (>4000 lines of output)

[03:11:47]

thread:

aww is that the case?

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wagnerrp:

so youre using a mixer device that does not match your actual output device

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[R]:

hrm... isn't taht a bit repetitive though? aren't kittens by definition babies?

[03:12:01]

thread:

pulseaudio has worked great for me up till now...

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lyricnz:

death to pulseaudio!

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wagnerrp:

and technically, unless youre running a very aged version of mythtv, or forcefully making mythtv allow pulseaudio

[03:12:25]

wagnerrp:

pulseaudio will be disabled when mythfrontend starts up

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thread:

ahh

[03:12:43]

thread:

that explains why I don't see the stream in pavucontrol

[03:13:02]

thread:

am I able to play music with another app while mythtv is going?

[03:13:10]

wagnerrp:

aside from some outliers, pulseaudio has never worked well with mythtv

[03:13:22]

thread:

seems to me pulseaudio is what's allowing me to have multiple apps make sound simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

and has almost always resulted in severe audio/video sync issues

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wagnerrp:

ALSA allows multiple programs to output sound simultaneously just fine

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thread:

that's interesting stuff... didn't know pa/mythtv didn't mix

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sphery:

sphing: why not just use 2 different channels?

[03:14:52]

sphery:

and 2 different video sources?

[03:14:56]

sphery:

the way it's designed

[03:15:29]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well the idea was that was 'cumbersome'

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Led-Hed:

lyricnz, I tried --audio-language English, but that didnt change anything

[03:15:46]

sphing:

sphery, From a users perspective... I want to record show X

[03:15:57]

sphing:

I don't care if it's from tuner1 or tuner2

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sphing:

I just want to record it... why should I have to figure out which tuner is available at the time?

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wagnerrp:

sphing: generally, specific channel recordings are not recommended for that specific reason

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sphery:

sphing: you don't... that's what callsigns are for

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thread:

ok.. pulseaudio isn't running. I restarted mythfronted, and mute/vol still doesn't work. Audio output device: ALSA:default, Mixer Device: ALSA:default, Mixer Controls: PCM

[03:16:46]

sphery:

callsign says, "Treat these 2 channels with identical callsigns as the same channel."

[03:16:51]

thread:

anything else I could try ?

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sphing:

sphery, There might be a nomenclature problem...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the 'specific channel' recording works off callsign rather than chanid?

[03:17:15]

sphery:

sphing: I will admit it's not at all intuitive, but it's designed such that it works in all cases

[03:17:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, callsign

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sphing:

ah, then it's designed as wanted

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sphery:

"this channel" = "the channel from which I've selected the recording and all channels with identical callsigns"

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt store the callsign internally, it pulls it from the referenced chanid?

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sphery:

s/the recording/the episode/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: right, so if you go changing callsigns, it will mess up your rules

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wagnerrp:

ok, thats where i got confused, because when altering or deleting the channel, that chanes as well

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sphery:

s/your rules/your rules that you didn't do properly, with "any channel" rules :)/

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sphing:

sphery, so then it's exactly what I want. Record on "ABC" is regardless of channel, just find a channel that's callsign is ABC

[03:20:24]

sphery:

What /should/ be done is the callsigns should be removed from the channel table, then stored in a separate "channelidentifier" table (not calling it callsign, because non-US people think callsign doesn't apply to them), then the channel table should reference the channelidentifier by row ID and the record table should store the channelidentifier row ID instead of channel ID

[03:20:47]

sphery:

or something like that

[03:20:52]

iamlindoro:

someone here needs a new nick

[03:20:53]

sphery:

would have to think it through a bit

[03:21:01]

iamlindoro:

because this conversation is not working for me

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i was thinking the same thing

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wagnerrp:

i cant tell you how many times i almost replied to sphery

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sphery:

sphing: exactly... just like you said.

[03:21:55]

sphery:

yeah, even my autocomplete-last-spoke wouldn't have worked well in this conversation (if I weren't one of the 2 overlapping ones :)

[03:22:30]

wagnerrp:

and the worst part? xchat has you both colored red

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iamlindoro:

here too

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wagnerrp:

i cant even visually follow the conversation

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sphery:

wagnerrp: actually, probably the best approach would be to just store the callsign text in the record table...

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sphery:

I could do that patch very easily

[03:23:03]

wagnerrp:

oh no! hes talking to himself again

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, do you know of an easy way to change a VOB's track order?

[03:23:26]

sphing:

ok, I gotta go to dinner, but I thought the table that stored recordings used chanid to identify the channel not callsign

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wagnerrp:

sphing: correct, it stores a chanid, which it uses to pull a callsign, which is then used for the search

[03:23:57]

wagnerrp:

somewhat round-about

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: no idea, i dont use TS containers

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sphery:

sphing: the table uses chanid, but the scheduler uses a join to pull out callsign

[03:26:33]

sphery:

which is what wagnerrp said when I wasn't looking :)

[03:28:04]

wagnerrp:

must spend too much time looking down at that keyboard

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wagnerrp:

need to get you one of those german keyboards

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sphery:

I was spending time in another channel... :)

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BobLfoot:

Could use some suggestions. I followed the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 guide and I have Analog with no Audio, But Digital Works fine.

[03:42:15]

wagnerrp:

if you have no analog on an mpeg encoder, you most likely are trying to use it as a v4l card

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wagnerrp:

it should be used as an mpeg encode

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BobLfoot:

I am using IVTV MPEG-2 Encoder Card for /dev/video0.

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wagnerrp:

are you using it as a tuner? or video capture?

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BobLfoot:

It is setup under Capture Card Setup

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: Maybe I misunderstood it is for receiving Analog Channel 4 from my Satellite receiver Output

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wagnerrp:

if you mention 'channel', then youre using it as a tuner

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wagnerrp:

capture card would be if you had it hooked up over composite or svideo, with RCA or 1/8" audio (which you really should be doing in that scenario)

[03:47:02]

wagnerrp:

if youre using it as a tuner, everything is supposed to 'just work'

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wagnerrp:

thats the whole point of the mpeg encoder cards

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: so I thought also. Maybe I'll repeat the wiki steps. Also going to remove the HVR-1800 just in case they are conflicting with each other.

[03:48:23]

wagnerrp:

it would appear that on the 1600 (probably due to some issues in the driver which may be fixed by now), you have to trigger one recording on boot

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wagnerrp:

there is a script on that page you linked when explains exactly how to do that

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BobLfoot:

wagnerrp: Let me try the script and I'll let you know – appreciate your patience.

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[R]:

is there a way to temoraritly suspend jobs from running?

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wagnerrp:

you can 'pause' from the information menu, system status

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wagnerrp:

but that just updates a field in the jobqueue table, its up to the jobs themselves to actually follow them

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[R]:

what key do i hit?

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wagnerrp:

one of the menu keys, or maybe enter

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember what

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[R]:

it was enter

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cdinoz:

firsttimer here with mythtv under ubuntu- question is regarding now getting lower than three 'levels' down in menu

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cdinoz:

(not)

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cdinoz:

fault occurred after adjusting something from QT to opengl (i think). cant find info on how to reset to defaults

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[R]:

huh?

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cdinoz:

menu level 1 and 2 will work and display but if you go lower than that it's as if the menus are opening on a phantom second display

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[R]:

menu level?

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[R]:

what?

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cdinoz:

only pressing esc returns to menu

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cdinoz:

menus in either the frontend of backend

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cdinoz:

any help? even on how to remove prefs/ force default prefs etc?

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iamlindoro:

cdinoz, mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro:

then go to Utilities/Setup->Setup->Appearance and set it back to qt

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cdinoz:

cool

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cdinoz:

seemed like a showstopper. on this screen why is there 'default' & 'Default' ?

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

default what?

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k_ross:

hmm interesting you bring that up. i had the same problem in the windows port. so i just gave up on it figuring the windows version was broken

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k_ross:

the problem i'm referring to was, from the main menu i could select Setup. then select setup again on the next screen. then get nothing, but hitting escape works

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k_ross:

is that the same problem cdinoz?

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cdinoz:

yep that is the same issue

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cdinoz:

but that technique you gave me seems to have rectified.

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k_ross:

hmm, i figured it was just a problem with the windows version, so i gave up

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cdinoz:

would i have to do on backend as well?

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iamlindoro:

only if your video driver is broken there too

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cdinoz:

bit of newbie with ubuntu and drivers. so thought opengl would be 'better' hardware in this pc is relatively good

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AndyCap:

Welcome to 2010 everyone. :P and a hello from the future to people on the west coast of the US.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what youre talking about

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wagnerrp:

its been the future for a while now

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wagnerrp:

weve already got our flying cars here

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wagnerrp:

jetpacks are supposed to be in by morning

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AndyCap:

Dangit. :)

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AndyCap:

I was hoping to be the only one in a hovercar today

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wagnerrp:

hovercar? thats so last year

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AndyCap:

So I'll be the only one. \o/

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squidly:

happy new year

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wagnerrp:

so im about to post to the mailing list a notification of the new python bindings, cant decide whether to put it on -dev or -users

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k_ross:

so i seem to have the windows version working now. is there any type of hardware acceleration of video decoding on the windows version? my guess is no....

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wagnerrp:

k_ross: probably the standard directx acceleration

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wagnerrp:

all the same stuff as Xv

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k_ross:

right, just the standard scaling and color space conversion, but no codec decoding

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[R]:

wagnerrp: whats the point of the oldrecorded table?

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wagnerrp:

to keep track of old recordings, of course

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

and what does it do with the information

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wagnerrp:

store... for ever, and ever, and ever

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i being serious

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wagnerrp:

its for matching future recordings against ones that have already been recorded

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wagnerrp:

duplicate tracking

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[R]:

oh, so i dont record thigns that were already recorded

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

if the 'duplicate' field is one, it will block all but a forced recording

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wagnerrp:

it probably has the same behavior for any value 1–9

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wagnerrp:

at 10, it would probably break

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[R]:

its not going to expire stuff unless i run low on space right?

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wagnerrp:

recordings, no

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wagnerrp:

livetv gets expired after 24 hours (i believe)

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[R]:

is there a list somewhere of the names of the differnet storage groups?

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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wagnerrp:

youve got Default and LiveTV for recordings, plus any additional ones you create and tell it to record to

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[R]:

well like mythvideo has a bunch

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wagnerrp:

and then theres Videos, Trailers, Fanart, Banners, Screenshots, Coverart for mythvideo

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[R]:

do you write code for your job?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but thats not my primary duty

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wagnerrp:

more a side effect

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

IT?

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wagnerrp:

engineering

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[R]:

what kind of stuff?

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wagnerrp:

rocket science

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[R]:

fancy

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[R]:

i work on software defined radios

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wagnerrp:

specifically, compressor design

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wagnerrp:

computational simulation of compressors

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[R]:

sounds complicated

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wagnerrp:

well its all based around a set of five equations

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wagnerrp:

compounded by several decades worth of flow modeling because we dont have the computational capacity to run those equations directly for any useful geometry

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[R]:

i hate math

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wagnerrp:

well you certainly wouldnt like my field then

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wagnerrp:

its ALL math

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wagnerrp:

primarily differential equations

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wagnerrp:

basically discretized calculus

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[R]:

yeah, i deal with RF... and theres tons of math there... and it just totally goes over my head

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[R]:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /275584.html

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[R]:

thats interesting

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wagnerrp:

oh you dirty dirty man

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wagnerrp:

using HTML emails

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wagnerrp:

what irony from someone named 'spamvern'

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[R]:

i'm gonna try that hint

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Fleck:

how can i view videos from network drive (samba shared on another PC with gbit lan)

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[R]:

Fleck: mount it and put it in a dir mythvideo can see

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Fleck:

mount in terminal?

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[R]:

mount it however you want to mount it

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Fleck:

[R] i want trough mythtv :P

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[R]:

Fleck: mythtv doesn't mount things

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wagnerrp:

doesnt it mount DVDs?

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wagnerrp:

or does the DVD code read it directly without mounting

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[R]:

two shea

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wagnerrp:

would that be 'touche'?

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[R]:

maybe

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wagnerrp:

heh... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/ . . . -sexting.ars

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Fleck:

[R] ok mounted – waching ;)

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Fleck:

nice

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Fleck:

another q. how can i add channel groups?

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Fleck:

i have only one now – favorites

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Fleck:

more needed

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[R]:

i think you can set that up in the menus in the frontend

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Fleck:

another one – when i quit TV Watching (aka LiveTV) i get crackling noise

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Fleck:

where can i view password for backend? need to join one PC to backend

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mark86___:

hello

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mark__:

i'm looking for help with mythtv...

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mark__:

is anyone here able to help me? i'm getting a purple hue on the video when using the opengl renderer.

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Fleck:

MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1) << where do i change this? backend is not on localhost

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Fleck:

OK, found how to join backend, now i have problem – it's seems that backend is recording all

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Fleck:

and is using 30GB allready (yesterday setup) and i can see many recorded shows

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Fleck:

because of this i cannot watch live tv

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Fleck:

from another PC

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Fleck:

i get error about all inputs

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Fleck:

allready used

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Fleck:

how can i turn it off

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lyricnz:

go to the view-recordings, and select "stop recording"

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lyricnz:

have you left the mythbacked watching livetv perhaps?

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lyricnz:

this uses the tuner

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GlemSom:

On some HD channels I get a slight stutter... I have some output in my log, but I'm unsure what it means -> http://pastebin.ca/1733909

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GlemSom:

CPU load about 3%, using VDPAU with a nvidia 9600GT card (2x advanced)... mythtv-0.22-fixes@23034

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Fleck:

lyricnz how can i left BACKEND to watch TV? :)

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lyricnz:

if that machine is backend+frontend

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Fleck:

no

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Fleck:

restarted backend pc – now works ;)

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lyricnz:

maybe a frontend died in such a way that the backend didn't notice or something. Meh

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Fleck:

ok anorher one – how can i change font size for EPG?

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Fleck:

font is sooo big

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Fleck:

GlemSom welcome to the club :P same here ;)

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Fleck:

GlemSom http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7481

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GlemSom:

Fleck, thanks – at least I'm not alone here then :P

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Fleck:

:)

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Fleck:

help :) /var/lib/mythtv/livetv is full of videos

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Fleck:

and currently are no recordings active – but there backend saves anyway current show all the time

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Elwell:

hey gang – I'm trying to set up a diskless, wireless IONITX board – works well with minimyth wired, but unsuprisingly won't pxeboot with wireless. Whats the simplest way to get enough to boot from a USB stick? (mythbuntu live CD works but not got anywhere to save stuff to...

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Elwell:

btw – rather impressed at the motherboard

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xand:

install an OS to the usb stick as if it were a harddisk

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Elwell:

yeah – think I'll need 2 sticks then – one to boot from, one to install to

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jduggan:

nfsroot

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jduggan:

you dont need to install to anything

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xand:

how are you going to do that on wireless?

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xand:

you can't net boot with it

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jduggan:

fwiw, wireless sucks, avoid it

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Elwell:

still gotta have some USB boot medium

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xand:

yeah wireless does suck

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Elwell:

jduggan: concrete walls in a rented house – running cable here's not possible

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** Elwell wonders if PXE works over powerline ethernet **

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jduggan:

cant tack it to skirting boards+door frames?

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jduggan:

thats what i do in a rented house :)

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jduggan:

white cable tacked to skirting boards

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Elwell:

jduggan: nope – also plan is to have an almost portable player (just needs power)

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** xand uses ducttape **

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jduggan:

ah

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mzb:

Elwell, 2GB USB stick and an nfs mount for work(etc) should be enough

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Elwell:

mzb: thats the plan

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** Elwell should really buy a real case **

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Elwell:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/4226936374/

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mzb:

hehe

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jduggan:

hah

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xand:

I have an IDE->CF adaptor in my mini-itx machine

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xand:

with debian on

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xand:

er, with debian on a 2GB CF card that is

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Elwell:

hah! installer found the 2nd stick – this looks promising

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mzb:

I've gone (back) to having the computer under the floor ... no need for a nice case ;)

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xand:

should Just Work as if it were a harddisk

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Elwell:

yup

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xand:

under the floor...

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xand:

doesn't it get dusty?

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mzb:

{under the floor} == {garage}

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** Elwell has no case on the backend – http://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/4195112528/ **

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mzb:

I don't reckon I'd survive without a case ... 7 hdd's and 4 tuners

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xand:

my backend stores on a different machine

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** Elwell just has 2 USB stick dvb-t tuners now, but will add a dvb-s2 'soon' so suspects he'll need more powerful backend **

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mzb:

hmm ... watch out for those stick tuners, many of them overheat with mythtv usage

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xand:

I have problems with more than one tuner card... some channels don't work properly

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xand:

stupid freeview and crappy reception maybe

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mzb:

$ femon -a

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mzb:

$ femon -H -a

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mzb:

(assuming dvb)

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Elwell:

mzb: ah, not designed for 24/7 use?

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mzb:

not from what I've heard

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** Elwell has an old freecom and just recently bought a twin pinnacle **

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mzb:

I find USB tuners in general to be less reliable, both hardware and software/firmware

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patdk-lap:

hmm I think I did something stupid in settings and can't get it back, even after I unchanged the setting

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patdk-lap:

all my 4x3 videos playback in 16x9 streched, instead of with black bars on the sides

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dspDrew:

does anyone know if timewarner is dropping fox for sure

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Dagmar:

Why don't you call them and find out

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dspDrew:

I'll do that when I have an extra hour to sit on the phone

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Dagmar:

Like you're doing anything right now

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Fleck:

any ideas why epg for DVB-S2 channels are not displayed – actually not only dvb-s2 – scanned one frequency and for all those channels EPG is not displayed....

[17:08:40]

elmojo:

Fleck: did those mythbuntu cheatsheet instructions work?

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Fleck:

elmojo dunno – i compiled in usual way :)

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wagnerrp:

well that was fun

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wagnerrp:

one trip to the basement later and im holding a dead 8-port gigabit switch in my hands

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elmojo:

Fleck: even better. :)

[17:20:06]

Fleck:

elmojo yeah, now i have next problem :P

[17:20:24]

Fleck:

some of the channels are not displaying epg :(

[17:20:41]

elmojo:

Fleck: and you did a complete run of mythfilldatabase?

[17:21:58]

elmojo:

or do you use EIT for those channels?

[17:22:20]

Fleck:

EIT yes

[17:22:22]

elmojo:

hmm... I'm probably of no help since I don't ever use your type of setup

[17:22:31]

Fleck:

and i know there is epg for those channels

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elmojo:

have you enabled the appropriate logging and debugged any?

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Fleck:

wait

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|Fleck|:

elmojo i'm here ;)

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|Fleck|:

elmojo i dunno where to check and check for what – as channels are scanned OK and names displaying OK

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: you can try -v eit for starts on the backend and frontend

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elmojo:

you can also try some other verbose options (-v help)

[17:28:12]

elmojo:

ie. -v eit,extra

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: it's good you are compiling from source after this happened today -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/415572

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sphery:

elmojo: heh, that was a good reply

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wagnerrp:

wow... thats horrible

[17:33:13]

wagnerrp:

shame they did so anonymous

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|Fleck|:

elmojo i have such errors in backend.log: Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(10301) desired(10302)

[17:37:09]

wagnerrp:

|Fleck|: digital cable?

[17:37:16]

|Fleck|:

sat

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|Fleck|:

with diseqc and 4 LNBS

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|Fleck|:

LNBs

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wagnerrp:

usually that means your provider has shifted programs around within the multiplex

[17:38:14]

wagnerrp:

and myth found it through some other means, channame or something

[17:38:28]

elmojo:

sphery: it was at least a good laugh... great way to start the new year

[17:38:40]

wagnerrp:

its a warning to fix your channel table

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|Fleck|:

wagnerrp and?

[17:39:17]

wagnerrp:

and? fix your channel table

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wagnerrp:

rescan with minimal updates

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|Fleck|:

how can i fix it?

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|Fleck|:

well i just rescanned ;P and there is no difference

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wagnerrp:

ah, no idea then

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sphery:

elmojo: agreed

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sphery:

gbee got funnier in 2010 :)

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elmojo:

sphery: they really should require registration of some sort to stop that nonsense

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sphery:

that's the plan...

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elmojo:

good

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sphery:

just looking to get it implemented, still

[17:42:21]

sphery:

that's what he meant by "in the future..." (though he could ban the IP even now)

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: sorry I'm not much help but hopefully someone on your side of the planet will help you... you can always try the ML too

[17:45:21]

|Fleck|:

heh

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: everyone active in the channel right now are in the US and most likely use schedule's direct for guide data

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|Fleck|:

elmojo it's not only epg – the channel doesn't work

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|Fleck|:

http://pastebin.com/m3e9d1c30

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wagnerrp:

ugh.... GS116 or JGS516

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|Fleck|:

this happens when i switch to that channel every time

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wagnerrp:

decisions, decisions...

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elmojo:

sphery: weren't there some discussions about DVB-S2 scanning issues recently?

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elmojo:

trying to remember who was discussing it

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|Fleck|:

elmojo maybe at the begining i should reinstall back mythtv from ppa ?

[17:53:21]

elmojo:

|Fleck|: are you having an issue with just one specific channel... which one?

[17:53:24]

|Fleck|:

maybe my compilation doesn't work OK

[17:53:40]

elmojo:

|Fleck|: I have my doubts that is your issue

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|Fleck|:

elmojo no all freq. i scanned 12073000hz and there are more channels, but all without epg ;)

[17:54:17]

elmojo:

if you don't mind restarting from scratch then you could wipe you database and start afresh

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|Fleck|:

noone works

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: could be a known scanning bug you are dealing with

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|Fleck|:

ok

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: this sounds like it might be related -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/395733#395733

[18:04:12]

elmojo:

|Fleck|: are you also using XMLTV listings data?

[18:04:31]

|Fleck|:

dunno – so i guess not

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elmojo:

|Fleck|: do you use DVB-S2 only? or do you mix with other types of cards?

[18:06:41]

sphery:

elmojo: I don't remember--don't pay a lot of attention to DVB stuff

[18:06:43]

|Fleck|:

i have DVB-S2 card but i can and do view DVB-S channel too

[18:07:36]

elmojo:

sphery: me neither :(

[18:08:18]

elmojo:

|Fleck|: so are they both being used together on the same system?

[18:08:48]

|Fleck|:

elmojo yes :) on one satelite there are S and S2 channels

[18:09:09]

elmojo:

ok... some discussion on the ML about that

[18:09:31]

elmojo:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/411136#411136

[18:10:17]

|Fleck|:

i have one card :)

[18:12:00]

elmojo:

|Fleck|: as you can tell I have no idea what I'm talking about :)

[18:12:07]

|Fleck|:

who can tell me – what is the correct way to set input sources – one for each LNB or one for all

[18:14:21]

sphery:

one for each group of shared channels--i.e. channels that are tuned exactly the same using the same type of capture device

[18:14:59]

sphery:

er, nvm...

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sphery:

I'm talking about video sources, not input sources

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|Fleck|:

i will try to set one input source

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sphery:

I think you need to use a separate video source for each LNB

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sphery:

Have you read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S ? It knows far more than I do.

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|Fleck|:

sphery sorry not input sources but video sources

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|Fleck|:

and yes – from that wiki page – i need 4 video sources

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|Fleck|:

so this is not the problem i guess

[18:24:16]

sphery:

well, knowing that you've done that part right only means you can focus debugging elsewhere :)

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|Fleck|:

sphery yeah...

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thread:

I'm almost positive the reason my vol/mute controls don't work is that I'm outputting to a USB DAC... and I can't even change volume in my alsamixer.

[18:46:35]

Dagmar:

That's possible

[18:47:00]

Dagmar:

If you Google a bit with the device's name you might be able to find out if other people have run into that

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thread:

What I really don't get is why the checkbox for "Use internal mixer", when checked, let's me specify the mixer device etc

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thread:

use internal mixer sounds like exactly what I want...

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thread:

why can't mythtv take care of its own levels?

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thread:

Dagmar: I've used numerous usb dacs... they all work like this

[18:48:00]

Dagmar:

My Logitech headset doens't.

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thread:

they're meant to output a fixed, line-level signal

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thread:

it's not a dac

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thread:

dacs do not have volume controls

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Dagmar:

That doesn't mean the USB devices driving them can't.

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thread:

you mean drivers prolly?

[18:48:56]

Dagmar:

...and yes, I can assure you it has a DAC in it.

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't be hearing much if it weren't.

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thread:

of course

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thread:

it has an amp part also, though

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thread:

there is no amp part involved in a dac

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thread:

the amp is separate

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Dagmar:

You wouldn't know it from looking at the dinky little thing I'm plugging into the USB port

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thread:

yeah... they make em small

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thread:

eg tiny ipods etc

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thread:

I really expected mythtv to be capable of changing its own volume independent of the system mixers one way or another

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever seen a consumer grade output device that doesnt have an amp

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thread:

wagnerrp: I have audiophile dacs

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thread:

I use separate amps with them

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Dagmar:

I think the 'use internal controls' option doesn't do what you're expecting

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thread:

Dagmar: right! it sounds like exactly what i want, but it doesn't help

[18:51:46]

wagnerrp:

thread: the idea is that mythtv is the only thing running on the machine anyway, why would you need to control anything but the master volume

[18:52:00]

Dagmar:

thread: Are you for sure using ALSA and not OSS?

[18:52:05]

thread:

and further, the interface confuses me... I would expect to see more options when I DISABLE it.

[18:52:12]

Dagmar:

This guy, for instance, is screwed http://i27.tinypic.com/ienz2x.jpg

[18:52:12]

thread:

instead, I get more control when it is enabled.

[18:52:15]

Dagmar:

He's using OSS

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Dagmar:

You can tell because he's got /dev/dsp showing--not ALSA:default

[18:52:32]

wagnerrp:

'internal volume control' just means myth's volume controls work, and work directly on the mixer device given

[18:52:35]

thread:

wagnerrp: I like to play music and mute the tv

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thread:

Dagmar: yeah. I'm an alsa.

[18:52:59]

wagnerrp:

not 'internal volume control' means youre going to control volume entirely through the external amp

[18:53:19]

wagnerrp:

now you could argue that would be a perfect place to offer a script for an IR blaster

[18:53:22]

thread:

I've got ALSA:Default it a couple places

[18:53:43]

wagnerrp:

but no one has found the need (and the will to program it)

[18:54:09]

Dagmar:

In theory ALSA can manage to control audio levels wihtout a mixer device, but it's a big pain in the ass that requires reading ALSA docs

[18:54:28]

thread:

I totally expected "internal volume control" to mean mythtv was going to adjust its own volume in a software mixer mode, and not worry about the system's mixers

[18:54:33]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[18:55:09]

Dagmar:

This URL *may* help with the creation of a virtual mixer device http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/How_to_use_ . . . aster_volume

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thread:

oh wow

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thread:

that does sound promising

[18:55:30]

Dagmar:

If you go mad as a result of reading it, don't mention my name to CNN

[18:55:48]

Dagmar:

ALSA docs somewhat assume you already know ALSA like the back of your hand

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thread:

I'm afraid, though, that it will change the volume of the music just the same

[18:55:56]

thread:

and I wanted to change them independently

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thread:

lol what's CNN got to do with this?

[18:56:27]

Dagmar:

If my name comes out of Nancy Grace's mouth, I'll hunt you down and kill you.

[18:56:30]

Dagmar:

It's pretty simple

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thread:

lol

[18:57:13]

Dagmar:

If you want to control the volume of the music and the TV separately, you're going to have to create two softmixers and configure them separately wihtin MythMusic and Myth

[18:57:17]

Dagmar:

I'm not entirely sure that's possible

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thread:

hah

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thread:

this is why I pretty well liked the idea of pulseaudio

[18:57:33]

Dagmar:

I've not looked at the controls for MythMusic in a long time

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thread:

it seemed to solve all this

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Dagmar:

PulseAudio won't help you

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thread:

...because it doesn't work with mythtv?

[18:58:24]

Dagmar:

If you want to control music levels and TV levels separately, you'll still need to configure each to use a different output, even if one is virtual

[18:58:54]

Dagmar:

PulseAudio is a sound server whose primary job is keeping things from coming ot a screetching halt when more than one thing tries to output to the same sound card at the same time

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Dagmar:

Generally, cheapass cards and chipsets can only handle one stream of audio at a time

[18:59:11]

thread:

yeah, I've never geeked out too seriously on alsa, though I suppose this might be an opportunity

[18:59:18]

thread:

but you're not even sure it's possible to do what i need

[18:59:33]

Dagmar:

If something's already playing, the sound card is effectively blocked from anything else's use

[18:59:40]

Dagmar:

I'm sure it's possible

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Dagmar:

it'll just be a huge pain in the ass

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Dagmar:

You can make ALSA "upmix" a 2-channel stereo output to 5.1, up to and including the filtering necessary for the subwoofer

[19:00:11]

Dagmar:

It

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Dagmar:

It's just a big pain in the ass

[19:00:27]

thread:

pusleaudio seems to hook programs' audio outputs... allowing them to think they're using straight ALSA, even... and multiplex them into one stream for even "cheapass cards"

[19:00:29]

Dagmar:

I actually documented part of that on the myth wiki when I was trying to figure it out

[19:00:37]

Dagmar:

Here's the problem.

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Dagmar:

ALSA can *already* mux outputs using dmix

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thread:

... AND allow me to independently change levels with like pavucontrol

[19:00:57]

Dagmar:

dmix is generally built right into everyone's alsa config by default now

[19:01:14]

Dagmar:

It just occasionally screws up and thinks it's dealing with a better sound card than it ha

[19:01:25]

thread:

oic

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic wont keep playing when you exit it will it?

[19:01:34]

thread:

i haven't tried mythmusic

[19:01:35]

Dagmar:

....but dmix is what ALSA already uses to eliminate that problem, basiclaly

[19:01:36]

iamlindoro:

it will if you set it to

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iamlindoro:

(through the miniplayer

[19:01:54]

Dagmar:

That way it can crash silently in the background. ;)

[19:01:57]

wagnerrp:

ok, i didnt think that was going to happen until it got mythui'd

[19:02:09]

iamlindoro:

the miniplayer has been mythui'd

[19:02:24]

wagnerrp:

ah

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Dagmar:

MythMusic has had the option of playing in the background since 0.21-fixes at least

[19:03:06]

Dagmar:

My gf managed to bug the hell out of me one afternoon because she couldn't figure out why her music was still playing and I had to stop hacking to fix it

[19:03:38]

thread:

might have to check out mythmusic... I would prefer to use my MoC, though

[19:04:19]

Dagmar:

It's buggy and it's playlist functionality is awkward

[19:04:37]

thread:

doesn't anyone else want mythtv to have a software mixer? that would completely solve my problem :/

[19:04:45]

thread:

I know apps do this... I've seed it.

[19:04:50]

thread:

seen, even

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Dagmar:

That having been said, I'll be damned if I can think of any way to make selecting music from a big pile using only four buttons *not* be a pain in the ass

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wagnerrp:

thread: like i said, the myth devs generally expect myth will be the only open application

[19:05:06]

Dagmar:

thread: You can create your own software mixer device

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wagnerrp:

there is softvol code in myth now, but thats intended for passthrough digital

[19:06:02]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing <-- this may help a bit

[19:06:42]

Dagmar:

It's details taper off because when I was writing it and got to the end, I realized that while what I did *worked*, and I read the ALSA docs to figure it out, I really still didn't understand WTF was going on in it

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Dagmar:

Their documentation sucked that hard

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thread:

hah

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Dagmar:

...but it *does* illustrate the creation of a softmixer

[19:08:23]

thread:

but this won't let me control the mythtv volume independent of the rest of the system

[19:08:28]

thread:

which is really what i need

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thread:

right?

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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thread:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/How_to_use_ . . . aster_volume looks more promising

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thread:

... if complicated as hell

[19:10:02]

Dagmar:

This ENTIRELY depends on which device you're pointing your output at

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Dagmar:

that's one of hte pages I read while I was figuring it out here

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Dagmar:

Lemme put this simply

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Dagmar:

That wiki page I linked was to make ALSA pass audio through a virtualized output

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thread:

right, I get that

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Dagmar:

I had a stereo audio source, and I wanted ALSA to handle the heavy lifting of splitting it out to six speakers

[19:11:33]

Dagmar:

You're basically creating a *virtual* device for ALSA-enabled software to send audio to

[19:11:43]

Dagmar:

There's no restriction on *how many of these* you might have

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Dagmar:

There is a degree to which it *ALREADY* has many of these

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thread:

so i should be able to create one for mythtv

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thread:

it would have its own mixer knob

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Dagmar:

Like, for instance, `speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51` sends audio to the virtual 'surround51' device

[19:12:31]

Dagmar:

yes

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thread:

and i could configure mtv to use ALSA:mythtv

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sphery:

okolsi: fwiw, danielk's commit at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7836#comment:3 may prevent the problem that triggered the Qt bug

[19:14:02]

thread:

Dagmar: that's very helpful... I'll have to experiment in this direction.

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thread:

Thanks, Dagmar & everyone

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Dagmar:

Just be glad you're not dealing with JACK

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thread:

heh... I've dealt more with JACK, actually

[19:15:06]

Dagmar:

...although it makes normalizing audio marginally less hairy

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gizmobay:

Is it me or does MTV not start and end on the times per the schedule?

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Dagmar:

What schedule

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Dagmar:

Maybe MTV4 or something has a schedule

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize mtv had any form of quality programming one would care to record

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Dagmar:

1 & 2 are just commercials 24/7

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wagnerrp:

and unreality tv

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gizmobay:

the kids like it

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gizmobay:

SD says the show goes from 10–11 but the majority of them get clipped

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Dagmar:

So turn up the preroll/postroll times so it records ten minutes before and after on that channel

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Dagmar:

...or tell your kids to stop listening to that crap music and go to a local venue

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NoClue:

Hi, I have installed a User Job in mythtv 0,22 to convert recordings for an ipod. How do I manually run this job on a specific recording?

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wagnerrp:

hit 'i', scroll down to jobqueue, and select your job

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NoClue:

I tried that but I don't have a jobqueue option. Only Job Options and under that is just Begin Transcoding and Begin Commercial Flagging.

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wagnerrp:

because you have not 'installed' the user job

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wagnerrp:

installing implies you have pulled up mythtv-setup, gone into the general settings, added the program into one of the four slots, and restarted the backend

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wagnerrp:

you may also have to mark that slot as runnable on that backend, i dont recall if they are by default

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NoClue:

I will check in mythtv-setup.

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wagnerrp:

there is currently no auto-enumeration of all available scripts in a directory

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wagnerrp:

gossamer-threads really lags behind...

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NoClue:

Okay, maybe something is wrong. User Job #1 has a description of "Convert to iPod" but there is no command under User Job #1 Command.

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wagnerrp:

you have to type it in yourself

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wagnerrp:

unless you had some outside installer dump it straight into the database, mythtv will not do it for you

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NoClue:

I installed mythexport and set the job up using the web interface, but obviously that does not work properly.

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wagnerrp:

web interface.... meaning mythweb?

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NoClue:

no http://localhost/mythexport

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wagnerrp:

so that would be some weird mythbuntu thing, not a myth interface, not anything ive ever seen

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defaultro:

happy new year folks

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NoClue:

I install the mythexport package and it gives access to that web interface

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defaultro:

who are into photography here using DSLRs? :)

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wagnerrp:

NoClue: thats fine... that web interface is not a mythtv interface

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wagnerrp:

mythexport is not an official mythtv program

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wagnerrp:

it is a export tool whipped up by the mythbuntu guys

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danlench:

happy new year all. ever since i moved to mythbuntu 9.10 myth 0.22 i think, things just aren't quite right. when watching live tv, i am unable to rewind unless i pause and build up some time first. also, the time buffered while i am unable to rewind is only 1 sec or so, in mythbuntu 9.04 was 5 sec at least! any ideas?

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NoClue:

okay. Is there an official iPod convertor?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Dagmar:

Have somoene check your water for lead

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NoClue:

Okay. Thanks. I will scoure the net for something.

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wagnerrp:

danlench: mythtv will allow you to rewind all the way to the beginning of the current show, or when you started watching livetv

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wagnerrp:

whichever is more recent

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu9.10/mythtv0.22 does not change this

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danlench:

wagnerrp good to see you again. i agree and it does. the rewind function is sort of locked out though until i pause for 5 sec

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of any scenario that would cause that

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wagnerrp:

besides having just starting livetv, and not having any backlog to rewind to

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danlench:

the dvd transcoding is wonky also. i didn't check the md5 for the iso or the disc before i installed like i usually do so maybe there is a systemic problem in the install that i'm unaware of. it is 64 and from a clean install since the upgrade borked everything up.

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danlench:

wonky as in it doesn't work or gather the name of the disc

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wagnerrp:

never used mythvideo's dvd ripping

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thread:

Dagmar, wagnerrp: I created a "mythtv" softvol device... and now mythtv can mute itself etc

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thread:

perfect solution.

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thread:

thanks again ! :)

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danlench:

ok the md5 checks. i'm gonna try a DBAN and reinstall. if that doesn't work, i'm going back to mythbuntu 9.04 using the same disc and see if that fixes things.

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foo8ar:

happy new year all mythtv-users. i have a question regarding dvb subtitles and 0.22. it seems that they have moved up and left instead of centered and low. i saw a thread in the mailing list but no apparent solution. anyone here that any hint or info?

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danlench:

happy twenty ten everyone

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danlench:

later wagnerrp thx

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metalac:

with hvr-2250, should i be able to receive all the non-5c encrypted channels?

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[R]:

you will recieve anythihgn they have on clearqam

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[R]:

nothing to do with 5c

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[R]:

5c is a thing that is on firewire

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mkrufky:

the answer is yes

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metalac:

so how can i find out what's on clearqam?

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[R]:

scan

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metalac:

i've been having issues with firewire as of late

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metalac:

[R]: how can i scan if i don't have the 2250 hardware?

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metalac:

anyway to check before buying it?

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[R]:

you can check silicon dust's website

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[R]:

they have a list of most areas

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metalac:

[R]: found it, thanks

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metalac:

it sucks, it's only locals :(, I guess I'll have to go with hd-pvr

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metalac:

anyone knows why i would start getting bad firewire reception all of a sudden? it stutters a lot and it looks like i'm dropping frames

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metalac:

tried stabilizing the connection and switching between internal and external firewire card

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metalac:

also did shut off/on procedure

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metalac:

still the same

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[R]:

bad box... cable company hates you... ghosts... take your pic

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metalac:

well it's been working without a fail for the last 2 years

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wagnerrp:

that means you have several year old hardware

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wagnerrp:

stuff breaks

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wagnerrp:

like my network switch that puffed blue smoke this morning

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metalac:

usually electronics break catastrophically not just "kind of" break

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[R]:

wagnerrp: was it really blue?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: i wouldnt actually know, i was asleep

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

power light goes on, but nothing will connect

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wagnerrp:

metalac: thats the 'kind of' breaking that usually occurs

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wagnerrp:

you dont get catastrophic failure of electronics unless you short something

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metalac:

no but usually something will not work

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metalac:

like your switch will not drop a lot of packets, it would just not work at a given port

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wagnerrp:

not so, ive had a switch fail in that manner

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wagnerrp:

started dropping anything over about 10kbps over one port

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mangus580_:

Happy New Year everyone!

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mangus580_:

anyone setup an HDPVR with myth (in here at least)

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

i dont think anyone has

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[R]:

maybe you can be the first!

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[R]:

:)

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mangus580_:

[R]: thanks!

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mangus580_:

I have it hooked up... just has really slow playback

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[R]:

what kind of machine are you using to play it back

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mangus580_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500037

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mangus580_:

using that board

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[R]:

did you set it to use vdpau?

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[R]:

are you using the latest nvidia drivers?

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mangus580_:

yes... didnt seem to make a difference, unless I need to restart it

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[R]:

after changing what?

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mangus580_:

I think I have teh latest nvidia... its a fresh install of mythbuntu last week

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mangus580_:

changing to vdpau

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[R]:

sounds like its not using vdpau

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[R]:

if its slow

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[R]:

whichc profile did you set it to?

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mangus580_:

I used this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Enabling_VDPAU_in_MythFrontend

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justinp_home:

Afternoon and happy new year, folks

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mangus580_:

and all I saw was settings to turn on vdpau... didnt see the settings it seemed to be referring to there

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[R]:

there is no

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[R]:

"vdpau on" checkbox

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justinp_home:

I was wondering if .22 is stable enough to make the upgrade from .21 worthwhile?

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[R]:

justinp_home: works here

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[R]:

mangus580_: i think the version mythbuntu ships with is crap

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mangus580_:

understood, i went in and changed each of the profiles to use vdpau

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[R]:

mangus580_: get the mnythbuntu repos and update to fixes

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mangus580_:

ok

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justinp_home:

How would I best go about the upgrade? backup my database and then just go for it?

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[R]:

justinp_home: i think thats generlaly what people do

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mangus580_:

[R]: it is using fixes 2259

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[R]:

mangus580_: and your point?

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mangus580_:

sorry, 22594

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justinp_home:

Right on. I think I'll do the upgrade, and then see if it takes care of the issues I've been having before I start working on those

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mangus580_:

you said to update to fixes

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[R]:

mangus580_: yes... i did

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[R]:

i also said to get the repos

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mangus580_:

ok, I thought I had the repos already

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mangus580_:

sorry

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[R]:

did you enable them?

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kc:

mangus580_: See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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mangus580_:

would you suggest upgrading to 0.23?

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kc:

no

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kc:

Just do 22-fixes with the auto-builds

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mkrufky:

im running 0.22 on ubuntu karmic with the latest nvidia drivers on my asrock ion 330 box, and i see some clipping during hd playback in myth at the top of the screen.... anybody else have this problem, or... anybody have the same hardware running without the clipping?

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mkrufky:

(using vdpau, of course)

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kc:

clipping or tearing?

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mkrufky:

tearing, actually — thanks

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mkrufky:

my friends dont notice it but i do and it kinda drives me crazy

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oobe:

changing deinterlaces usually helps mkrufky

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mkrufky:

my other machine doesnt have tearing during playback, but this one does, and this ASRock ION 330 is supposed to be very good

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mkrufky:

thanks, i'll try that oobe

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oobe:

i cant suggest which one though as it varies too much

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kc:

Last time I had tearing issues, I went into nvidia-settings and checked sync to vblank.

[22:02:15]

oobe:

oh that might work too

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kc:

:)

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mangus580_:

that seems to have helped it

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mangus580_:

would vdpau effect recording?

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Dagmar:

You shold probably read up on what that is before you ask any more questions

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mangus580_:

thanks dagmar.... complex answer to a simple question

[22:09:18]

Dagmar:

Thanks whining, newb

[22:09:34]

Dagmar:

it's always great to get bitched at for making a suggestion that will prevent making people think you're clueless

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mangus580_:

Dag, I asked a simple yes/no question thats all

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mangus580_:

the reason I asked, is because turning on vdpau didnt seem to fix the recording I have that was playing jerky

[22:10:28]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar, You may not have been around when we made the announcement, but we're going to be enforcing courteous treatment (especially of new users) in the channel a lot more diligently. Please watch the language and just leave them alone if you don't want to be friendly

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Dagmar:

And I suggested politely that you should at least do the least bit of google searching before asking any more stupid questions

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kc:

mangus580_: no, it will not affect recordings

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iamlindoro:

mangus580_, No, it will not affect recording

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Dagmar:

It's pretty much impossible for it to affect recording.

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mangus580_:

so I wanted a quick answer... thanks guys, i had already gone looking since it was obvious Dagmar couldnt answer it

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kc:

mangus580_: but you should read up on what VDPAU is. It's a way to playback recordings and has nothing to do with recording.

[22:11:27]

Dagmar:

I should put up with people being abusive?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, No, but they shouldn't put up with you doing so either

[22:11:48]

Dagmar:

Well, childish as it may sound _he started it_

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iamlindoro:

mangus580_, Just let it go, please, I've addressed it

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mangus580_:

thanks iamlindoro

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Dagmar:

I guess I'm just not accustomed to using such small words

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, honestly, that's enough. I like you, but you come on way, way too strong with the new users sometimes. We need to turn around the way this community is seen, and a big part of it is how new users are treated here

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iamlindoro:

I don't mean to single you out, it's something that I hope we will be applying to everyone, and if I'm harsh with someone, I expect to be called on it too

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Dagmar:

So, I sincerely hope you intend to apply this same standard to the newbies who think it's okay to act like a jerk to the people who would otherwise help them

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iamlindoro:

Yes, absolutely. If someone is abusive to people trying to help them I will absolutely take action

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mangus580_:

Dagmar, i wasnt trying to be a jerk

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iamlindoro:

w/I/we/

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iamlindoro:

er s/w/s/

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Dagmar:

mangus580_: Yes. You were. You got pissy because I told you to search.

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mangus580_:

I was trying to poke a little fun, I know how you feel about 'n00bs'

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Dagmar:

...and you were even classy enough to try taking parting shots.

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mangus580_:

wasnt meant to be pissy

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Dagmar:

Alright. Good enough

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Dagmar:

(not being sarcastic, it's fine)

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mangus580_:

until you took it wrong :-)

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm a little tweaked up on it right now because I've got my new fans ordered, and I've been going carefully through a bunch of docs on vdpau to try to sort out what is hte easiest way to tell people how "well" vdpau will work on a given card

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Dagmar:

The idea that a playback-only element could affect recording just sounds incredibly bizarre

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: check out qvdpautest

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kc:

Dagmar: how well will it work with my card? :p

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU actually allows one to DMA the raw frames back out, though nobody has actually used that part of the API yet

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Dagmar:

kc: I've no idea

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Dagmar:

Wikipedia's page breaks it down into "feature sets" that appear to be from nVidia's documentation

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iamlindoro:

so you could theoretically decode high bitrate stuff, pull out the frames (like with the CrystalHD decoder) and do whatever processing you wnat on them (think commflagging)

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wagnerrp:

and either way, it would make exactly no difference to recording, since no processing is done on pre-encoded video

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kc:

Ya, I know, I am just poking some fun :)

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mangus580_:

sorry Dag... bear with me, sometimes when I am in here, I will ask something that is on my mind as I go to start researching it

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mangus580_:

when I asked it... was because I just had a difference between live tv and a recordding

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: just imagine the bitching on the mailing lists from people with PCI cards

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Dagmar:

kc: Hell, give me a few more days to look at this and I'll probably be able to tell you in dollar amounts per feature

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, hehe, yeah

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mangus580_:

and I said to myself 'self, could vdpau' effect it

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mangus580_:

asked here, and started to research more on vdpau (since I havent yet, as MY setup at home is SD – I am setting up dad's new stuff now which is HD)

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Dagmar:

Did you perhaps do the thing I did and set liveTV to use very close to the same res as your display, and recordings to use a higher res?

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mangus580_:

dont think so, since its all default

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kc:

Dagmar: I don't want that. I know I overpaid for a GTS 250 since I won't be gaming on my myth box

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Dagmar:

I mean, even my PVR-500 can record at 720x480, but there's little point in having LiveTV set to that mode

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, so BBC America is moving closer to airing shows in parity with the UK, but airing Dr. Who one day later is just plain silly

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Dagmar:

kc: yeah well, people wiht 7800's and 8800's might disagree

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Dagmar:

Some of both don't do a bit of it

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Soeone's getting kickbacks from Piratebay

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Dagmar:

;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I'm betting they probably reduce piracy with this kind of thing, but at this point there's no compelling reason they can't just air it

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking it's probabl got to do with the time difference

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iamlindoro:

presumably the episode has been in the can for a while... they could have probably swam it here in time

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Dagmar:

Like, the new episode _just_ aired a couple hours ago, right?

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iamlindoro:

I know it aired "tonight" for the UK, it airs tomorrow here

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Dagmar:

It's 4 in the afternoon here

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Dagmar:

It would have aired at what, 1pm?

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't have to air at the same time, simply the same day would do

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Dagmar:

I figure they're allocating themselves a longer-than-six-hours window for delivery to BBCA or something

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Dagmar:

Plus, they'll have to (or get to) deal with commercials here

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iamlindoro:

if it's anything like when I used to work in a headend, the stuff shows up on tape well in advance

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iamlindoro:

I suspect it's been sitting at BBC for quite some time

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Dagmar:

If they have more than six hours, they actually have a chance to show advertisers viewership numbers and get them to pay for ads on the spot

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Dagmar:

That's a pretty handy advantage

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Dagmar:

Just as long as they don't decide to shoot themselves in the face like FOX

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** wagnerrp wonders how much longer until he figures out why hes getting infinite recursion in the python bindings **

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Dagmar:

The python is eating it's own tail

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wagnerrp:

it should never even happen

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wagnerrp:

i mean even if i do hit recursion by fault of my own, python is supposed to detect and break

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wagnerrp:

ive somehow managed to fool it

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Dagmar:

Putting the deint functionality page from the wiki and WP's info together answers a few questions

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Dagmar:

I should have my head examined for even reading this stuff instead of just spendng the sixty bucks

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wagnerrp:

well i found my error, but im still baffled as to why it did what it did

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justinp_home:

Evening, folks

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justinp_home:

having some trouble with 0.22 – mythfrontend segfaults at start

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justinp_home:

The bug report is here: http://pastebin.com/d3387fe6c

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martin__:

Anyone know how to turn off the caps lock on a linux machine when i'm connected via a vnc session?

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martin__:

it won't turn off!!!!

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