Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

specifically what processor and what GPU

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** waxhead_ is just trying to get it **

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[R]:

i'm reading the specs on that broadcom

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gbee:

cpu, gpu, driver, codec, bitrate, ecoding options, resolution, etc

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[R]:

and it supports some kind of encryption stuff

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[R]:

what is that about

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wagnerrp:

[R]: probably stuff for bluray/hddvd

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wagnerrp:

likely nothing that will be touched by anything in linux

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waxhead_:

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8200 @ 2.66GHz

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AndyCap:

nothing open source anyway.

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Boblfoot:

waxhead_: watching HD channel and recording std channel and streaming recording to another frontend the mythcenter box runs 25% per CPU on 4 CPU's

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wagnerrp:

waxhead_: the only way that processor would get maxed out is on fairly high bitrate h264 content

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waxhead_:

GeForce 8600 GT

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wagnerrp:

waxhead_: that means 10–12mbps single slice, or 20+mbps multi-slice

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gbee:

or stupidly compressed illegal mkv stuff

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waxhead_:

hmm.. well I was watching HD only.. no recordings.. the frontend showed 102% in top

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waxhead_:

HD TV, not mkv

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waxhead_:

hmm.. standard dev is seeing mythfronted running at 45%

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gbee:

waxhead_: which codec? single sliced h.264 content would push it that high

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wagnerrp:

waxhead_: run the script at http://mythtv.org/wiki/HD_Playback_Reports

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gbee:

but graphics driver issues could easily cause even higher load

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waxhead_:

ok...

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Boblfoot:

waxhead_: just watching one HD news broadcast max cpu usages 32 , 5, 24, 15 on a Q6600 2.4 ghz quad core

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waxhead_:

Boblfoot, I was watching one HD just before when it showed 100%

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gbee:

Boblfoot: without stating codec/encoding options/resolution you're not comparing like for like

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AndyCap:

Boblfoot: what channel is this?

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waxhead_:

gbee, where do you get that info from?

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waxhead_:

One HD

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waxhead_:

the 'sports' channel on free to air

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gbee:

in the US HD is in low bitrate mpeg2 and extremely easy to decode, rest of the world it tends to be higher bitrate h.264 (much harder to decode, albeit better overall quality)

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Boblfoot:

AndyCap: mythtv-users why am I off-topuc or something?

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waxhead_:

this is HD in au

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AndyCap:

Boblfoot: soory. meant to ask waxhead_ and I meant channel as in tv channel

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waxhead_:

ok.. have to head out.. I'll check into this later...

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Boblfoot:

gbee: mine is US ASTC HD watched at 1440x900 thru the onboard Intel GMA 3100

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gbee:

Boblfoot: ok, that's something I'd expect to be very easy to decode (low cpu)

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michael__:

hi, i've got no sound in mythtv, what's happening? http://pastebin.com/m2547198f

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Boblfoot:

gbee: might be but I am very satisfied with MythTV even if the HVR-1800 Analog tuner is bugged out right now.

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[R]:

michael__: that tells us nothing...

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michael__:

what do you need?

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[R]:

michael__: seeing as the FRONTEND is the one actually playing the video...

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[R]:

michael__: what d oyou think we need?

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michael__:

mythfrontend -v ?

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michael__:

ok mythfrontend -v audio http://pastebin.com/m52c23eab

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[R]:

does sound work with other things?

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[R]:

are you using some crappy dist with stupid pulseaudio?

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michael__:

yea no problems

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michael__:

i've noticed that maybe this is using pulse audion

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michael__:

ps -ef | grep pulseaudio

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michael__:

gdm 2208 1 0 Dec30 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog

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michael__:

michael 2382 1 5 Dec30 ? 00:36:50 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog

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[R]:

yeah... pulse is a stupid piece of crap

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michael__:

humm fuck it then this is gunna be a backend only, it's not worth the time, i'm sure it's not an easy thing to change to alsa

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michael__:

or whatever else

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michael__:

i'm using SuSE, it sux ass

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michael__:

thanks for your help, i

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michael__:

i'll be around

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sphery:

language, please

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sphery:

I guess I'll have to remind him when he's back around

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iamlindoro:

He's been kicked before, and warned about language

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iamlindoro:

See what happens when I spend five minutes trying to do something for me?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: you don't have to be the active police

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skd5aner:

if ya get em, you get em :)

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sphery:

why were you doing stuff for you? You have responsibilities, ya know?

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iamlindoro:

I'll try harder next time

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /276084.html — What is "card sharing?"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: youre asking?

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wagnerrp:

thats the use of softcam software for sharing one CAM across multiple tuners

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sphery:

don't really need to know... just something I haven't heard of

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sphery:

oh...

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sphery:

Guess someone needs to send him a link to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F

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sphery:

I thought it was something to do with sharing his capture card

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iamlindoro:

too late

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iamlindoro:

already did

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wagnerrp:

apparently used because some providers will only allow one card per subscription

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sphery:

there, now let the flood of comments about how I"m trying to be the IP police start

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sphery:

heh, I did too

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AndyCap:

IP?

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wagnerrp:

if you wanted multiple cards, you would need multiple $50+ cable subscriptions

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wagnerrp:

but, as always... abused for illegal access to the content

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sphery:

yeah, and even if not illegal, definitely a ToS violation

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AndyCap:

you could always make it illegal if you want http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news . . . 52-24559449/

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AndyCap:

:)

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sphery:

AndyCap: nice...

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wagnerrp:

warning, warning... beirdobot has failed to make a valid link again

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sphery:

and this from the country that's about to pay 500M of tax money to shut off 'net access to 40K households so those file thieves will finally go out and buy 1.7B worth of music and video

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wagnerrp:

sphery: seems they jailed the person selling hacked decoder boxes (and charging a monthly subscription fee to use them)

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wagnerrp:

not someone merely using said box

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sphery:

though in that particular case--where the guy was charging people he sold the decoders to--he deserved jail (more than 4mos, IMHO).

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wagnerrp:

we do the same thing over here

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sphery:

yeah, but they plan to go beyond that

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sphery:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/ . . . e6969105.ece

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AndyCap:

running your own sky subscription service is pretty blatant

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sphery:

for some reason they believe it will generat 1.7B Pounds of extra music and video sales to cut off people who are stealing music and video online

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AndyCap:

How do they figure it will cost 500 million pounds?

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sphery:

guess it's not tax money--just extra costs for ISP's

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sphery:

which get passed on to subscribers

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AndyCap:

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sphery:

yeah, it does seem a lot

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sphery:

but what boggles my mind is that they actually think it will increase sales of music and video

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AndyCap:

wouldn't be the first time government initiatives cost huge sums though.

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AndyCap:

sphery: well, probably like wetting your pants to keep warm.

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sphery:

and by 1.7B

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sphery:

per year

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sphery:

heh

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mzb:

I'm trying to create a splash image for when I start playing my music videos

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mzb:

so far I've got it to produce an acceptable image

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mzb:

but how do I display it without window decorations?

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mzb:

(fvwm2 if that helps)

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mzb:

also needs to be fullscreen (I've created text over the theme's background image)

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mzb:

perhaps I need a style definition for "display" in .fvwm2rc ?

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AGreyCrane:

If you have two HDPVRs, connected to two seperate cable boxes and one computer... how do you individually control them?

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mzb:

got it ... now to either stretch, zoom or create the image to full size from the outset ;)

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k_ross:

AGreyCrane: use udev rules so the same hd-pvr always gets the same device node under /dev

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k_ross:

and use 6200ch with the -g parameter to tell it which box to change channels

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k_ross:

(that's if you're using firewire to change channels0

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k_ross:

)

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AGreyCrane:

k_ross: hrm, I would love to use firewire too

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k_ross:

at least that's what i do with my 2 hd-pvr's

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AGreyCrane:

I hope my Comcast HD boxes with have firewire

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k_ross:

you don't have the cable boxes yet?

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AGreyCrane:

k_ross: no, about to move into a new house and making the switch to HD, so I havn't actually signed up with comcast yet either

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k_ross:

can you get FIOS there?

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AGreyCrane:

k_ross: no

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AGreyCrane:

k_ross: just dishnetwork, directtv, and comcast ( I am getting 50Mbps/10Mbps internet though)

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sphery:

my 7.5Mbps/750kbps internet seems quite boring in comparison

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wagnerrp:

im still waiting for fiber in my area

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AGreyCrane:

sphery: I was expecting to get 6mbps, but when I popped in my address, it said I could go with 50/10 and I figured, what the hell? :)

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wagnerrp:

oh wait... fiber is in my area! they just wont sell it to me

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont know what i would do with that kind of speed

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wagnerrp:

except maybe burn through some unspecified cap in a matter of hours

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wagnerrp:

streaming movies to work

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sphery:

I want more upload speed, but download is plenty for me

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sphery:

even with my 7.5Mbps, I find that many of the servers from which I'm downloading source code are more bandwidth limited than I am

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the only thing i would use that kind of speed for would be pulling things off of steam, or pulling from campus

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wagnerrp:

and i doubt i would get 50mbps to either

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wagnerrp:

i mean campus with 25k students only has a ~200mbps uplink

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sphery:

So you don't need Internet2 in your house? :)

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sphery:

(haven't heard much about that for quite some time)

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wagnerrp:

im honestly surprised campus only has that little bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

and they only use all of it at peak times

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[R]:

so a show recorded nothing but black... i thought something was broken... b ut its the channel

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so i'm getting deep into the scheduler.cpp... its nice code

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about it

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[R]:

something is off with the idle detection code

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[R]:

so i added a ton of prints to it... and a little check that sees if a file exists in my home dir... if the file eixsts, it prints them out, if not it doesn't

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jblack:

Well, figure 1 computer per 5 students, that gets you down to about 5k computers. Maybe 70% of them are being used any time, that gets you to 3500. perhaps only 25% of them are doing packets at any exact moment, and you're at 875 computers....

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jblack:

And you're looking at 220 kilobit. so that's not right.

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Hilikus:

if i use a vnc server on my back/frontend, will it stream playback or its better to install a frontend?

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wagnerrp:

you want to stream video over VNC?

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jblack:

hilikus: use a front end.

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Hilikus:

wagnerrp: yes

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** AGreyCrane croses fingers that VLC will be ported to Android soon **

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jblack:

AGreyCrane: What do you expect it to do?

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jblack:

look at 'movie player'. it handles the codecs built into the chips. It doesn't handle non-ardware support codecs, becuase there's not enough processor

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AGreyCrane:

jblack: let me stream video when I am on a wifi connection (airport etc)

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jblack:

In that case, check out doggcatcher, which can download video that works with your phone.

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jblack:

i like to keep a couple copies of countdown and democracy now with me.

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waxhead_:

I wonder if the zombied mythfrontends are an issue....

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AGreyCrane:

Any of you used drupal?

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AGreyCrane:

err wrong channel sorry

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wagnerrp:

Hilikus: no one seems to have mentioned, but trying to do video over VNC is a "bad idea"

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Hilikus:

wagnerrp: mmm ok, i seem to remember it didn't work at all last time i tried

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to decode, recompress, and stream full motion, full color video over a program that wasnt designed for any such thing

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waxhead_:

wagnerrp, do you ever sleep?

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wagnerrp:

what for, when theres caffiene

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AndyCap:

sanity

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Boblfoot:

wagnerrp: I came across the perfect keep awake snack yesterday, choclate coated coffee beans. Like a sweet cup of coffee in the shape of a Milk Dud.

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mag0o:

whoa

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kormoc:

welcome to the 80's, the 90's brought about chocolate covered espresso roasted beans, which is so much better

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mag0o:

and here i've been just mixing hot water with ground up beans

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AndyCap:

so this being 2010, I guess snorting is what the cool kids do. http://purecaffeine.info/ or maybe freebasing it?

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kormoc:

nah, that's uncivilized, you modify a insulin pump, http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components . . . 2p.widec.jpg

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Shadow__X:

what about caffenated soap?

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kormoc:

good start, but why stop there?

[03:17:37]

AndyCap:

Haha, and I thought I was joking http://boingboing.net/2009/01/19/how-to-make-smokable.html

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iamlindoro:

Unbelievable how after you give people a massive piece of software for free, and provide support for that software for free, they still want to argue with you about the list rules prohibiting topics which make you seem like thieves

[03:18:49]

iamlindoro:

"How about just redirecting users to areas where they CAN discuss what they seek? That's cooperative, supportive, etc..."

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iamlindoro:

uhh... because that's the freaking same as telling them that it's okay, dummy?

[03:19:20]

kormoc:

We are redirecting them, anywhere that's not affiliated with mythtv, go enjoy

[03:19:38]

iamlindoro:

So frustrating to have me and sphery be the only people who are ever arguing the party line

[03:20:10]

iamlindoro:

(on the list, that is)

[03:21:03]

iamlindoro:

would be nice if just once the users did some self-policing

[03:21:33]

iamlindoro:

mostly frustrating as it's basically saying "I'll talk about what I want, even though it's *your* ass on the line, Myth devs"

[03:22:47]

iamlindoro:

*grumble* entitlement culture...

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** iamlindoro quiets himself for swearing **

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ctmjr:

iamlindoro: i agree with you the few times i have told people they where off-topic i have been flamed and told i was not a op

[03:24:20]

iamlindoro:

ctmjr, Offtopic is generally tolerated here

[03:24:28]

iamlindoro:

unless it's requests for support with other software

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** Boblfoot iamlindoro ++1 **

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ctmjr:

iamlindoro: that's what i am talking about like how do i get mplayer to watch tv

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: the voice thats frequently heard :)

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Shadow__X:

or rather read

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Shadow__X:

keep up the good fight iamlindoro

[03:26:02]

Shadow__X:

and making great themes

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iamlindoro:

ctmjr, That would generally be the right time to refer them politely to the right channel, and if it needs to be restated, generally one of the ops/regulars will do so

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i think Ernie Anastos termed that concept best

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, re: Chickens?

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wagnerrp:

thats the one

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i still cant believe he said that

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wagnerrp:

and the look on the woman's face, its like she had just shart

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Shadow__X:

hmm didnt know about that

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Shadow__X:

thats something else

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iamlindoro:

On that note, yay for Daily Show and Colbert in HD come Monday

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iamlindoro:

at least, if you have CCHD :)

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Shadow__X:

i do i do

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Shadow__X:

:) thanks comcast for adding alot of hd

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Dagmar:

Okay, so apparently Hauppauge *does* have HD-PVRs in stock themselves.

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Dagmar:

I just got a UPS ship notification

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[R]:

is it that tons of people are buying it

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wagnerrp:

overnight UPS?

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[R]:

or just a decent amount of people are buying it and they just didnt have enough

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wagnerrp:

[R]: thats the word from a hauppauge rep

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, their production could not meet demand

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[R]:

but what i don't get... is why newegg is listing it as a "deactivated" product and not just sold out

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Dagmar:

I had it shipped 2-day, which UPS has somehow decided to mean I want it on the 4th

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wagnerrp:

because it has been out of stock for an extended period

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[R]:

oh, thatm akes esnse

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wagnerrp:

ugh... copying files from unix to windows filesystems is dangerous

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wagnerrp:

i keep hitting symlink-bombs

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sphery:

archives++

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sphery:

tar or cpio or ...

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wagnerrp:

well i want it usable

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wagnerrp:

ntfs is really the only large, widely usable filesystem

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sphery:

zip?

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sphery:

ah... I see what you're doing

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wagnerrp:

external hard drive

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wagnerrp:

2TB

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wagnerrp:

i technically *could* use FAT32, but then ive still got the same restrictions, and a POS filesystem to boot

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sphery:

I love how they make the default fs on most all external drives FAT32--then you try to copy a recording on there to take on the road with you and it won't work :)

[04:01:11]

sphery:

(unless it's a tiny <2GiB file)

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wagnerrp:

4GB

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure its 4GB anyway

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wagnerrp:

i ran into that a couple weeks ago

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wagnerrp:

trying to rip some DVD image and copy it over to my uncle's external drive, so he could use it on his drive-less netbook

[04:02:34]

wagnerrp:

WTF, theres 80GB free on this drive, what do you mean it cant hold a 6GB image

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sphery:

ah, yeah, 4GiB

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sphery:

2GiB on FAT16

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wagnerrp:

so now what do i do with an old 300GB PATA

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wagnerrp:

and for some reason this disk wont work over esata

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wagnerrp:

only through a sata/usb connector

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pembo13:

how can i manually updage the database Video schema from 1016 to 1028?

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wagnerrp:

you dont

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wagnerrp:

you let mythfrontend do so

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: so... can i at least delete it?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: wel it isn't

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pembo13:

"cannot upgrade video database scehma. exiting"

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wagnerrp:

at what revision?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: it's from ATRPMs i have no way of telling the release

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pembo13:

Source RPM: mythtv-0.22–223.el5

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pembo13:

can i at least remove the tables and let it create them again?

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wagnerrp:

schema revision

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pembo13:

welll i assumed the schema revision was 1016

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wagnerrp:

it will tell you 'whatever has failed updating from 1016 to 1017' or something like that

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pembo13:

.. wanting to be upgraded to 1028

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wagnerrp:

post the logs

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pembo13:

yah, that was my first message

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: where do i take the logs from ? the messages printed by frontend?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, whatever gets spat out to the terminal

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pembo13:

just a sec, will have to redirect it to this machine

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wagnerrp:

no you dont, just run mythfrontend, let it error, and kill it

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to see the GUI for anything

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pembo13:

mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

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wagnerrp:

is X running on that machine?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: yes, but i am not on the machine

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wagnerrp:

running from the same user as you are trying to run mythfrontend as?

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pembo13:

nope

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wagnerrp:

su into that user, and then do 'DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend'

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pembo13:

i had alredy tried ssh -X, that didn't work

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pembo13:

just a sec

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kormoc:

ssh -Y

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wagnerrp:

youre going to use the local X server

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pembo13:

wilget the output

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pembo13:

i just redirected mythfrontend to a text file.. pasting..

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/d1c3f3926

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wagnerrp:

ok, for some reason you dont have a filemarkup

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wagnerrp:

that was supposed to be created for rev 1004... long time ago

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: well, i haven't yet messed with the scema

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: can i just create an empty table in its place?

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wagnerrp:

so.... dont run 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS filemarkup ( filename TEXT NOT NULL, mark MEDIUMINT UNSIGNED NOT NULL DEFAULT 0, offset BIGINT UNSIGNED, type TINYINT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0 );'

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wagnerrp:

one of the mysql gurus around?

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wagnerrp:

im trying to work back a create command through the schema update code

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wagnerrp:

and im not sure how to handle 'ALTER TABLE filemarkup ADD INDEX (filename(255));'

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iamlindoro:

much easier just to delete the mythvideo tables, remove the entry for videodbschemaver, and let it create the whole structure

[04:44:15]

iamlindoro:

basically video*, dvd*, and filemarkup

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sphery:

here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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pembo13:

...catching up

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: if it's a create if not exists, why would it fail?

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iamlindoro:

yes, read the list post

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iamlindoro:

and do that

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sphery:

pembo13: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793

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pembo13:

sphery: yah got that, loading and reading

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wagnerrp:

well thats interesting... theres no code to 'create tables at current revision', it just starts from 1000 and works up

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sphery:

pembo13: it could fail (to work properly) if the table that exists uses the wrong structure

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, All the db code in myth does the same

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sphery:

if not exists checks only for object name, not structure

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wagnerrp:

i figured it one did it that way, they all did

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

IMHO, we should never use IF NOT EXISTS

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sphery:

(for the reason mentioned above)

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pembo13:

sphery: the error was "Table 'mythtv_watson.filemarkup' doesn't exist"

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sphery:

that actually broke upgrade for several users who didn't drop a 0.22 DB before restoring a 0.21-fixes backup

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wagnerrp:

pembo13: basically, if filemarkup doesnt exist, who knows what else is missing that should be there

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sphery:

pembo13: ah, well, that's from something else, but once you do what that post says, all will work

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wagnerrp:

and theres no sense manually working through fifteen schema revisions if you cant do it on your own

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sphery:

oh, and restart mythfrontend after

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wagnerrp:

easier to wipe and start from scratch

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sphery:

exactly

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pembo13:

yah, reading

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sphery:

wagnerrp is saying what I wanted to say, but much more eloquently

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wagnerrp:

well i could have left the 'IF NOT EXISTS' off actually, considering we know it doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

i had just started copy-pasting in the commands as i read through them

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pembo13:

one more Q, anyone happen to know what table/setting the mplayer command is stored in? took me a while to set it up properly last time

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wagnerrp:

its in the settings table

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pembo13:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, you should ONLY be using mplayer if the internal player is deficient in some manner for your content

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wagnerrp:

(in which case you should probably look into posting a ticket explaining said deficiency)

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: last i remember, mythvideo used mplayer to play videos, no?

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wagnerrp:

it has been the default until 0.22

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wagnerrp:

but the 'Internal' player has been available for several releases

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: ah, well will look into that

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wagnerrp:

and in fact is now required if you intend to use storage groups with mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

see the mythvideo 0.22 transition guide on the wiki

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: the only deficiency is a cheap tv which is 16:9 but shows upa s 4:3, so i use th emplayer setitng monitoraspect

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pembo13:

mplayer -stop-xscreensaver -aspect 4:3 -fs -zoom

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to correct for that in mythtv

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pembo13:

cool

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wagnerrp:

see the playback profiles in the frontend settings

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: thanks, will have to save this convo, can't work on this particualr frontend further right now

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Boblfoot:

Can I force a transcode – commercial detection from iwthin the frontend menu structure or must it be done at the CLI?

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wagnerrp:

hit 'i' and scroll to 'job queue'

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Boblfoot:

wagnerrp: hit 'i' in what menu area?

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wagnerrp:

the one where you see recordings

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Boblfoot:

wagnerrp: found it – Thanks

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wagnerrp:

well i just managed to break off half the clips holding my front bezel in place...

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[R]:

good?

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wagnerrp:

generally 'break' means 'bad'

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wagnerrp:

i also seem to have two dead case fans, another failing, two dead GPU fans

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achandra:

hi guys. have the mythtv metadata pulling the correct images for my ripped iso videos, but when exiting out of watch videos and entering back in, they all disappear. Any ideas on how to fix this?

[08:42:58]

wagnerrp:

are you possibly stuck in 'browse' mode?

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wagnerrp:

when in browse mode, you dont touch the database, and mythvideo effectively functions as a file manager

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achandra:

wagnerrp, how do i find out if im in browse mode? — newb here ;)

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achandra:

wagnerrp, ahhh yes..found it. thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just that 'enable file browse mode' in the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

had to pull up the frontend, i couldnt remember if that was in 'm' or 'i'

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achandra:

wagnerrp, ended up being in the m

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achandra:

wagnerrp, the other major question is how to remove the "? Storage groups" – Im using iso's so I dont want that showing up in the menu. Any way of removing that?

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wagnerrp:

dont know what that is, never seen that

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wagnerrp:

if thats some artifact from having storage groups defined, but nothing in them

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, last option (storage groups), go into the Video group, and use 'd' to delete all entries within

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wagnerrp:

then restart frontend and backend

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achandra:

wagnerrp, yep that has got to be it....thanks

[08:52:16]

achandra:

wagnerrp, thank you very much...tried to play with this for about an hour before getting some help...just should have logged in here ;)

[08:52:34]

wagnerrp:

thats what were here for

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achandra:

wagnerrp, and i see you here quite a bit and extremely helpful...thanks again

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achandra:

wagnerrp++

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wagnerrp:

id say 2/3 of the people in this room are always in here

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wagnerrp:

(in that they never log off, just idle)

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[R]:

it seems like every sincve i got my new zotac... the spdif port stays "active" after i finish watching a recording

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[R]:

and i hear things coming from my speakers and my reciever shows it as "active"

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[R]:

but nothing is playing

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wagnerrp:

there shouldnt be anything coming from your speakers unless you have them cranked up above the noise floor on your amp

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wagnerrp:

since you wont be getting any analog noise from the computer

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[R]:

its not always

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[R]:

just sometimes

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[R]:

when its idle, the speakers aren't lit up on my reciever

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[R]:

but when its playing, they are

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wagnerrp:

alternatively... you could be picking up spurious radio signals

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[R]:

and sometimes after playing something, the speakers stay lit up

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wagnerrp:

i used to live under the med-evac flight path for a local hospital

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wagnerrp:

every so often, i would pick up radio chatter

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[R]:

its not noise in the traditional sense

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[R]:

its just random popping noises

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wagnerrp:

either that or i was getting stuff from the HAM down the street

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[R]:

i think it has to do with the way myth is closing and/or not closing the alsa

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[R]:

wow thats hilarious

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[R]:

i'm graphing my hard drive temperatures

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[R]:

it takes like 2 hours for them to get up to temperature

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt know, mine never turn off

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[R]:

i'm graphing interrupts

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achandra:

wagnerrp, btw..what is the difference between the browse mode and non that was mentioned earlier?

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[R]:

i need to figure out which interrupt the hdpvr is on and if its sharing with something else

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[R]:

that might have to do with why i was having sporadic failures

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wagnerrp:

achandra: the normal mode requires new content to be 'scanned' in, and then it displays content that exists in the database

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wagnerrp:

browse mode does not scanning, uses no database, and just is a straight file browser

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achandra:

okay — good to know. thanks

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wagnerrp:

[R]: the only strange things i see is a spike in temperature between around 2pm-7pm

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[R]:

wagnerrp: what are you using to graph?

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wagnerrp:

and even stranger, it only exists on two of the drives, one at the top of the stack, one at the bottom

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wagnerrp:

SNMP, rrdtool, and some custom python

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wagnerrp:

my raid card makes disk temperature available over the network

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[R]:

i'm just using some stupid script called monitorix

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[R]:

and it uses hddtemp

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/mrtg/raid/index.php

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[R]:

think you have enough drives?

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wagnerrp:

seems i need to shift the plotting limits

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wagnerrp:

the samsungs are off scale low

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[R]:

is the drop in the year graph because you don't have proper air conditioning?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: hey... one of those ports isnt actually filled

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, more that its shoved into a corner in the basement

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

i really need to work on my graphing system

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wagnerrp:

so the ambient air goes from an airconditioned ~75F, to a chilled ~50F

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[R]:

cuz i want something really sweet to show my two boxes

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[R]:

dare i ask why you are graphing them in fahreinheit?

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wagnerrp:

because i live in the US?

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[R]:

so do i

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[R]:

but computer temps are supposed to be in C

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wagnerrp:

why?

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[R]:

i dunno... because

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wagnerrp:

i could plot them in F for farfignewtons for all it matters

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wagnerrp:

whatever i can look at and most quickly interpret

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i would recommend looking into cacti for that sort of stuff

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wagnerrp:

i would be using it, i just havent gotten around to figuring out how to make custom data sets

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wagnerrp:

they never seem to turn out right

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[R]:

cacti always makes it seem way too complicated

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its currently telling me i have three processes running and no memory free on my SBE

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wagnerrp:

sounds like something that needs fixing

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[R]:

i found a guy online whos gonna give me some cheap ram

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[R]:

so my ram problems are gone

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what it is, but evilwm goes bad when its X server drops offline

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wagnerrp:

seems its been bad since last saturday

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wagnerrp:

only dropped some 4% load off the UPS though

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achandra:

wagnerrp, after ripping some of the videos either the video plays fast or the audio/video is not in sync. Any way to adjust that?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

not for ISOs anyway

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wagnerrp:

for more traditional media files, you may have a bad rip/encode

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achandra:

k. thanks brb

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[R]:

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dubstar_04:

what method do people use for compressing dvd content? I have tried a number of options but not impressed with any of them

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MartinJT:

anyone know if there is a filesize limit on Storage Groups for MythVideo?

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GreyFoxx:

Nothing in the code

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MartinJT:

hmmm

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MartinJT:

can't seem to get a mkv to play... when all others do... and I've done them the same way... the only difference is the file size..

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MartinJT:

this one is 9.5GB

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MartinJT:

i'm getting RingBuf..... Warning: Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning 0

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GreyFoxx:

Largest file I've played is 8 Gigs

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GreyFoxx:

but there is nothing in the SG/mythvideo code to limit the size that I've seen

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MartinJT:

any idea what that messsage means then? other than... it's requested 2048 and it's returned 0?

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MartinJT:

the file plays fine in Windoze...

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Fleck:

hey, how can i force osd not to change resulotion... after changing to some low resolution channel it is allmoust impossible to read anything on OSD :P

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MartinJT:

nevermind... permissions issue...

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MartinJT:

don't know why....

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MartinJT:

but chmod 777 did the trick

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GreyFoxx:

Fleck: Only way at the moment is to use wither the opengl renderer or the VDPAU renderer afaik

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xaxes:

hey there.. I have a question.. how to stop a record thats actually running.. i tried "d" on the program guide and got asked whether to delete the recording rule.. I choosed to, but the recording doesnt stop

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yalu:

happy new year!

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xaxes:

you too

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clever:

xaxes: go to the watch recordings window, and D there

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yalu:

I just tried to change the way mythtv sorts music (mythmusic plugin I guess ;) ). Now the first level in the tree has one item called "I dunno".

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xaxes:

thank you clever :)

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xaxes:

bye

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yalu:

I set the sorting to " ALBUM TITLE"

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yalu:

and somehow I am too stupid to restore it to the default argh

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justinh:

wow, the weight of whining on the -users list is heavy lately

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mag0o:

folks on vacation with nothing better to do?

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justinh:

rather disheartening if you ask me

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justinh:

heh big mistake asking users for opinions on the mythmusic rewrite

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mag0o:

lol

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sid3windr:

so what's everybody's new years resolution?

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sid3windr:

mine is 1920x1080

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sid3windr:

:>

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devinheitmueller:

sid3windr: 1920x1080 is for wussys. You need 2560x1600!

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sid3windr:

:)

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clever:

sid3windr: mine is 25x80!

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sid3windr:

not even 80x25?

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sid3windr:

did you rotate your monitor?

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clever:

might have it backwards :P

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sid3windr:

no, backwards would be 52x08

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clever:

X doesnt start by default

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Shadow__X:

machines that are thrown out have better specs

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clever:

Shadow__X: this is a c2d with vdpau support on the GPU :P

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clever:

and its on the 3rd mobo, maybe the thing should be thrown out...

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Fleck:

GreyFoxx how do i set opengl for OSD?

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Fleck:

vdpau kinda jerky here :/ dunno why

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MartinJT:

anyone know of any software that's been created to control a myth frontend via a windows mobile phone?

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MartinJT:

I remember reading somewhere that you can control frontends using a network remote protocol... so if there isn't anything already, I may take it on as a project...

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MartinJT:

i'm a .NET developer, don't know much about myth development (yet) but do want to get involved...

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clever:

MartinJT: mythtv has the 'telnet' interface which can easily replace a remote

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skd5aner:

MartinJT: there's a few things for the iPhone out there, most of them just use the telnet control

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Telnet_socket

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skd5aner:

Shouldn't be that hard to cook something up for Windows Mobile, but honestly – I see that as a dying platform given that it's two biggest users, Moto (which has completely disolved it's WM development) and HTC (which has invested over half of it's ongoing efforts with Android) have basically moved on

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skd5aner:

that said, my phone is still a WM5 phone, but probably moving on in the near future

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clever:

i was working on a telnet control program for palm

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clever:

but the bluetooth example wouldnt even compile

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skd5aner:

What I'd REALLY love to see, is some of that uPnP stuff put into place

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skd5aner:

UPnP Remote User Interface (RUI) client/server

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clever:

the telnet seems to have everything id need

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skd5aner:

but I'm sure that framework would really need to be extended within CORE myth first

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clever:

it can list recordings and let you play a certain one, without having to send down arrow 500 times

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clever:

that would easily let you put a PBB on the pda and scroll thru it

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skd5aner:

Well, the UPnP remote stuff is cool because it can update a remote interface in real time – think listening to music (current track progress, what other songs are on the album, album art, etc)

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clever:

that works thru telnet for normal playback, but not within plugins

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clever:

'query location'

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skd5aner:

ah – that's cool

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skd5aner:

Well – the big benefit to uPNP remote would be that it's an open standard – so if any device supported it, it would be usable with myth

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skd5aner:

maybe that means a little bit less flexibility than custom code design *for* myth, but still – would be nice with some of the third-party efforts being done in that space

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clever:

yeah thats the only reason for going with upnp

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skd5aner:

I would think some of the home automation stuff will go that way, like touchscreen wall controls, etc

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skd5aner:

I do think the telnet offering for Myth is pretty robust and complete – and if I recall correctly, it was the first commercially funded feature put into myth

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hertz8080:

Hi, I have a problem with autoexpire not using the wrong partition to determine the free space. I installed a new hard drive and mounted it to /media/data and then mounted /media/data/var/lib/mythtv/recordings on /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. But autoexpire checks my / for free space (and it is only a 10GB partition). Any idea how to fix this?

[16:40:47]

hertz8080:

Oh, I also copied (cp -a) my partitions from the old drive to the new drive and change /etc/fstab to point to the new partitions.

[16:40:57]

hertz8080:

I removed my old drive

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Fleck:

how do i set progressive video scan as default? image is flickering ;/

[16:44:10]

Fleck:

or there is another way like deinterlace? how do i set one?

[16:44:48]

HypNoMadic:

Hi – Is SPDIF traffic/communications just a one way flow? Or does the device on the other end of an SPDIF connection communicate back to the sound card?

[16:45:38]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: You don't, and yes, you should modify your playback profile-- Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page 3, make sure you are using the "slim" playback profile and not "CPU++" or whatever else

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iamlindoro:

HypNoMadic: one way

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Fleck:

iamlindoro why slim is the best? i have CPU+ now... and why not vdpau?

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skd5aner:

hertz8080: why are you mounting a drive to /media/data, then mounting a subdirectory to /var/lib/...?

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: If you have a VDPAU capable card, you can feel free to experiment with the VDPAU profiles-- Slim is the best because 99.99% of people shouldn't be using CPU+, which is selected by default because of a settings bug

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: Slim is the most likely profile to work on the widest range of hardware-- your question is about making it work-- you should start with that, *then* experiment

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Fleck:

ok

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Fleck:

well works now too but image flickers fast...

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Fleck:

when i set to progresive – it's ok then! :)

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HypNoMadic:

iamlindoro: thanks

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Fleck:

but there are visible scan line then so i need deinterlace

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hertz8080:

skd5aner, because I also want to use it for backups

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: Setting to Progressive is not the answer, fixing your deinterlacing is

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iamlindoro:

and you're doing that by picking a proper playback profile

[16:51:24]

iamlindoro:

all your are saying by calling it progressive (when it's not) is to not deinterlace

[16:51:39]

iamlindoro:

which is why the flicker stops, since you have the wrong deinterlacer for your setup chosen

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Fleck:

yeah with slim there is no flickering anymore ;)

[16:52:59]

** skd5aner can't decide which VDPAU card to get **

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Fleck:

another question – how can i see channel list? with up down i see only one channel – it's hard to find and pick in this way

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Fleck:

with s i can see more channels but i can't swith to selected, or i dunno how

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skd5aner:

Fleck: in which list?

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Fleck:

pressing S button on keyboard

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skd5aner:

Fleck: within the EPG, there is a setting to enable you to switch to a channel when it's highlighted

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skd5aner:

let me see if I can find it

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skd5aner:

Fleck" Allow channel jumping in guide"

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Fleck:

ok will try it oout ;) thanks guys

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skd5aner:

Not sure if that just allows you to enter the number and go to the channel, or if it allows you to enter the channel

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skd5aner:

I'm assuming you're talking about LiveTV correct?

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iamlindoro:

wrong setting

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iamlindoro:

"select changes channel" is what he wants

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skd5aner:

I thought it might be, yup – that's the one, thx

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: trying to find what menu that is in, any ideas?

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skd5aner:

I see "Change channels immediately without select" in the General menu of TV Settings

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skd5aner:

I have that unchecked

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skd5aner:

I think that's the one you want Fleck

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

The one I said is the one he wants

[17:03:29]

iamlindoro:

Neither of the last two you have mentioned has to do with selecting a channel in the guide

[17:03:52]

iamlindoro:

"allow channel jumping" allows you to type in a channel number while in the guide and it will jump to the entry in the guide, not change channel

[17:04:18]

iamlindoro:

"change channels immediately without select" is while watching TV with no guide, and you type in a channel that is valid and don't press select, it will change directly to it

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Fleck:

no i need a way to see channel list... (more than one chan at a time) then select one i whant and view it ;)

[17:05:57]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: So open the Guide

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Fleck:

ok then?

[17:06:05]

iamlindoro:

MENU->Program Guide

[17:06:23]

iamlindoro:

That's many more than one channel at a time

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Fleck:

yes

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Fleck:

and how do i switch to selected chan?

[17:06:42]

iamlindoro:

SELECT

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iamlindoro:

OK/ENTER/etc.

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Fleck:

enter is not working

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iamlindoro:

Then you have an older revision than 22824

[17:07:51]

iamlindoro:

So you either need to update, or activate the setting I've been mentioning for the last ten minutes

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iamlindoro:

"select changes channel"

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Fleck:

where is that setting?

[17:08:17]

iamlindoro:

In the guide settings

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry, I can't find that setting...

[17:08:29]

iamlindoro:

and the full text is "Use select to change the channel in

[17:08:29]

iamlindoro:

the program guide"

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skd5aner:

was just rying to find it...

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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skd5aner:

I'm on Program Guide 2/2 (.22-fixes)

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Because your revision is *newer* that 22824

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Shadow__X:

can you give me directions to that setting as if it was a cheat code? i think i could get it then

[17:09:09]

iamlindoro:

Up up down down left right left right B A Start

[17:09:19]

Shadow__X:

ahh there it is

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skd5aner:

sweet unlimited mythtv lifes

[17:09:51]

skd5aner:

anyway – don't sigh, just tyring to help, it's hard to tell someone about a setting that doesn't exist in the current released version of mythtv

[17:09:58]

Fleck:

iamlindoro yes, thanks! :)

[17:10:24]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It *does* exist in the released version of mythtv

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It does not exist in latest fixes

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Fleck:

i use mythbuntu desktop 9.10 amd64

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skd5aner:

understood

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: and I'm sighing because you are doing what the military would call "spray and pray"

[17:11:01]

skd5aner:

I'll go back into my hole

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: ie, you're firing out answers without knowing whether they work/what they do

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patdk-wk:

I think I'm doing something wrong but not sure what

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patdk-wk:

with 0.21 I had mythvideo files on upnp

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patdk-wk:

but since I upgraded to 0.22, I have nothing on upnp for videos

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Shadow__X:

:) isnt that the best way iamlindoro ? its not like they are paying for bullets

[17:12:05]

patdk-wk:

can't seem to google for the right thing :(

[17:12:17]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: However, you should really enable the nightly builds of Mythbuntu-- if you still have that option, your copy is pretty out of date and probably has some nasty bugs that have been fixed

[17:12:27]

Shadow__X:

do you want help on your inability to search google or your upnp issue?

[17:12:37]

patdk-wk:

both :)

[17:12:47]

patdk-wk:

if I can find the result on google good, but I haven't been able to :)

[17:12:54]

MartinJT:

is there a known issue with .mkv subtitles and the myth internal player?

[17:13:13]

iamlindoro:

MartinJT: Issue? No. Are you asking if they're supported? Also no.

[17:13:21]

Shadow__X:

patdk-wk: make sure your videos are settup properly

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iamlindoro:

patdk-wk: If you are using storage groups, that almost definitely isn't working with the uPnP server

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patdk-wk:

heh, setup properly? my mythfrontends play them

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patdk-wk:

not using storage groups

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patdk-wk:

I did read that :)

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MartinJT:

iamlindoro, i was asking if they're supported...

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patdk-wk:

I didn't upgrade to 0.22 cause I thought I had to use storage groups for video, but once I learned I didn't have to, I figured I would be good

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT: That's not what you asked. The answer is no, however.

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MartinJT:

i know, i know... it seems i've dropped into that other room we discussed last night ;)

[17:16:18]

MartinJT:

is there a workaround at all?

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT: You're not being treated badly, you're just getting answer for the questions you asked, not the ones you thought

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iamlindoro:

MartinJT: No. You could submit a patch for it if you like, though :)

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dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: i saw the videos of mythnetvision on the mailing list. looking fantastic!!

[17:17:48]

iamlindoro:

dubstar_04: Thanks, slow going this last few weeks but still hope to have it available for .23

[17:17:54]

edistar:

hi, is anyone using the Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT, i.e. is is supported? I wasn't quite sure what to make of http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTe . . . _2400i_DVB-T

[17:18:12]

MartinJT:

i'm a .NET developer... so wouldn't know where to start with mythdev....

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry for the "spray and pray" mentallity, but I was unaware of the changeset that made a difference between .22 release and .22-fixes for that setting – was doing the best I could with the info I had

[17:18:36]

Fleck:

iamlindoro do you use DVB-S/S2 with mythtv ?

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skd5aner:

just trying to help out when I could

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: I do not

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I appreciate your willingness to help, only ask that you tell others to do things you're *sure* about, not things that might work :)

[17:19:42]

skd5aner:

yea – no information is better than bad information – was going by "trial and error" at that moment

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Only because if he was toggling random settings on and off, he's back in here tomorrow asking why he was trying to get to channel 700 and ended up on 70, etc.

[17:20:09]

Fleck:

iamlindoro heh ok, i have problem with Luxe TV HD – i have GF8400GS and Luxe HD is not smooth :/

[17:20:34]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: You will probably need to use VDPAU since Luxe HD is very high bitrate H.264

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skd5aner:

now, if you don't mind – wanted to pick a few brains on VDPAU capable cards...

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patdk-wk:

is jamu required? or optional?

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iamlindoro:

optional

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patdk-wk:

ok, was wondering if that might of been screwing up my upnp, cause I disabled jamu

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iamlindoro:

nope, should be unrelated

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Fleck:

iamlindoro yeah i set to vdpau but then it's even vorse

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: Which VDPAU profile did you use?

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patdk-wk:

fleck, what video card?

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Fleck:

iamlindoro all

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: That card is very low end, the max you could use is VDPAU slim

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skd5aner:

I've been holding off for a few months, to see what cards evolved (wanted a 8600, but they are few and far between anymore)... need fanless, and want to make sure I'm a bit future proofed with the feature set 3 options that VDPAU is capable of and that Mark has started to put into myth (advanced scaling, etc)

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Fleck:

GF8400GS

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patdk-wk:

oh, 8400gs, that is going be slow

[17:22:33]

skd5aner:

looks like the GT 210 and 220 support this, but not really sure how they compare performance wise to cards like the 9500 9600, etc

[17:22:43]

patdk-wk:

the local bestbuy had some 9600gs marked at $86 (instead of $130 that other bestbuys and online had it at)

[17:22:45]

patdk-wk:

so I got some

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iamlindoro:

Fleck: It's also possible that Luxe HD has some of the same issues as the H.264 channels of your German neighbors, which requires a bugfix that hasn't been applied yet

[17:23:09]

Fleck:

well iamlindoro tried on windows with the same hardware (the same box) with pure video – works great

[17:23:23]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: That's not a valid comparison

[17:23:41]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU and Purevideo are not directly analogous

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iamlindoro:

They accomplish same/similar things, but purevideo/DXVA/etc. do a lot more than VDPAU does

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skd5aner:

otherwise it would be called "Purevideo for Linux" :D

[17:25:09]

Fleck:

just thought if in windows GF8400GS is doing OK, then on linux it would

[17:25:17]

Fleck:

but i guess i am wrong

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iamlindoro:

Don't think that :)

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skd5aner:

from the way I've seen nvidia work, the guys who write the linux drivers and VDPAU APIs are a small, rag-tag team within NVIDIA kind of on their own. I don't think they interface, probably at all, with the PureVideo folks

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iamlindoro:

Windows programs are written by people will access to proprietary documentation and specs :)

[17:26:05]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: 90% of the linux driver code is shared with the windows driver code, per the nVidia linux guys

[17:26:25]

skd5aner:

ahh – strike 2 for me :/

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Fleck:

iamlindoro well didn't find software on windows that works NORMALY for me ;/

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sid3windr:

patdk-wk: it's "might have", not "might of" </petpeeve>

[17:26:58]

dubstar_04:

can anyone recommend a decent dvd drive?

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skd5aner:

I swear I read an interview last year about the linux driver team stating they really didn't have much support for their efforts

[17:27:27]

patdk-wk:

sid3windr, talk to my hands, they don't type what I think :)

[17:27:49]

sid3windr:

so the face, it ain't listening? :(

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elmojo:

Fleck: the 8400GS should handle VDPAU Normal profile

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iamlindoro:

asterisk

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iamlindoro:

*Depending on which 8400GS

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elmojo:

Fleck: also as iamlindoro mentioned your problem with Luxe HD is most likely this ticket -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7481

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I have the slower one and it is powerful enough

[17:31:25]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: We're also not dealing with some of the ugly content that gives VDPAU fits

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iamlindoro:

I have an 8400 that cannot deinterlace some bluray and high bitrate 1080i content

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iamlindoro:

at least, not without stuttering

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iamlindoro:

And that's the newer of the 8400s at that

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skd5aner:

is the 8400 the card that's in your primary frontend iamlindoro?

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XLV:

gt 210 is too slow.. gt 220 is at 9500gt levels. gt 240 with gddr5 is as fast as 9600gt

[17:32:46]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Nah, the two I use most commonly are the 9400 and the 9600

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I imagine skipchroma would help in those situations

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skd5aner:

XLV: thx – I might keep an eye on the 240s then

[17:33:17]

XLV:

gt210/220/240 do also lpcm 7.1, no dts-hd/truehd cause of lack of PAP

[17:33:21]

Fleck:

yeah i have Astra :)

[17:33:32]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: I'd rather run Temporal Deint with skipchroma than Bob 2X anyday :)

[17:33:40]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Probably. Ideally Mark will have all his intended work for VDPAU done for .23

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skd5aner:

XLV: which cards support dts-hd/truehd? any?

[17:34:04]

XLV:

skd5aner, for now only ati 5xxx series

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: with your Bluray problems did you ever try increasing the number of VDPAU buffers?

[17:34:16]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Yes

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skd5aner:

ahh, shouldn't be an issue in my case

[17:34:32]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Anyway, it's not a problem, at least not one I didn't solve by using proper hardware ;)

[17:34:48]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: we don't all have Quad core CPUs :)

[17:35:05]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: IMNSHO if you need to twist yourself into a pretzel to make a card work with VDPAU + the content, that's validation of my point that the hardware isn't up to snuff :)

[17:35:07]

Fleck:

iamlindoro sadly with vdpau slim i get flickering back and need to set video scan to progresive

[17:35:24]

iamlindoro:

Fleck: Again, you *never* need to set scan to progressive

[17:35:30]

iamlindoro:

All you are doing is disabling the deinterlacer

[17:35:44]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: found that nvidia interview, right on the summary it said exactly what you mentioned, 90% codebase overlap... interesting

[17:35:44]

Fleck:

ok so what i need to do? ;)

[17:35:51]

iamlindoro:

What you need to do is choose a deinterlacer that is appropriate for your hardware

[17:36:04]

iamlindoro:

edit your playback profile and choose a different deinterlacer

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Fleck:

in vdpau slim section – edit?

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Fleck:

ok

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XLV:

i'd get more cpu, instead of getting into mess with vdpau

[17:38:23]

Shadow__X:

hmm or have more cpu and vdpau then you have multi angle win

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skd5aner:

is VDPAU really that much of a headache still?

[17:39:47]

skd5aner:

haven't made the leap yet

[17:39:51]

elmojo:

Fleck: if you are trying to playback some of those HD H.264 German broadcasts then you really need to apply the patch for #7481

[17:40:06]

elmojo:

nothing you do will solve the problem without it

[17:40:18]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: He's swiss

[17:40:24]

iamlindoro:

but all the same, I expect it's the same issue

[17:40:57]

Shadow__X:

the bitrate is too high?

[17:40:59]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It's not that much of a headache, and is much improved-- what it is not, much as some people would like it to be, is a panacea-- it's not the answer to everyone's prayers

[17:41:37]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: It's a good tool for the content with which it works, but that's *it*, and there is plenty of content (especially slightly broken broadcast content) that still gives it fits

[17:41:41]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: yes, the problem seems to be spread across many different countries in Europe

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No, it's not a bitrate issue

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: if you've played back any of the samples then you'll understand why they are pushing for a backport

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elmojo:

totally unwatchable

[17:42:43]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Tough to backport something that hasn't been ... erm... front ported :)

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: doesn't really need to be front ported first.. but that's not my call

[17:43:55]

Fleck:

how can i see what version i have?

[17:44:06]

elmojo:

mythfrontend --version

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: General project policy would dictate that it would go to trunk first

[17:44:46]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: That said, there's probably a combination of things, not thea least of which is 1) we're getting a new ffmpeg sync momentarily, and 2) we're freezing for .23 in 30 days

[17:45:03]

iamlindoro:

well, maybe not "momentarily," but RSN ;)

[17:45:06]

Fleck:

updating...

[17:45:13]

patdk-wk:

hmm, 0.22-fixes here

[17:45:23]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: problem has been around for almost 2 months :)

[17:45:31]

Shadow__X:

really .23 isnt a year off iamlindoro ?

[17:45:47]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: And will likely be solved in the current release in less than two :P

[17:45:50]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: but agree at this point it's becoming less of a need

[17:46:00]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: correct

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Fleck:

elmojo mythfrontend --version does not return to me anything (in terminal)

[17:46:16]

Fleck:

i did export DISPLAY=":0.0"

[17:46:21]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: you mythdevs are incredible

[17:46:40]

iamlindoro:

We could release weekly, would that make us more incredible? ;)

[17:47:04]

patdk-wk:

fleck, ubuntu?

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elmojo:

Fleck: run

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patdk-wk:

mythfrontend.real --version

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Fleck:

yeah

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Fleck:

dpkg -l show 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

[17:47:31]

MartinJT:

if I create a separate .srt file for the subtitles in a mkv file, would myth internal player pick them up and use them?

[17:47:33]

iamlindoro:

22594 is actually not even .22

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Fleck:

this is old one ?

[17:47:38]

iamlindoro:

it's pre-.22

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Fleck:

omg

[17:47:51]

iamlindoro:

Which is not your fault, that's what mythbuntu shipped

[17:47:56]

Fleck:

where can i enable nightly builds?

[17:47:58]

iamlindoro:

just add their fixes repository and update

[17:48:10]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[17:48:21]

Fleck:

great

[17:48:24]

iamlindoro:

*DON'T* choose .23 when it prompts you

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Fleck:

will try it out

[17:48:28]

iamlindoro:

just choose .22

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Shadow__X:

iam

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Fleck:

ok

[17:48:42]

elmojo:

Fleck: you'll still need to apply the patch and manually compile

[17:48:58]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: if you guys released weekly we would be at mythtv 1.00 in no time

[17:49:10]

Fleck:

elmojo no i don't whant to compile ;P

[17:49:25]

patdk-wk:

heh, I first started with 0.15, and it was usable but lacking

[17:49:34]

elmojo:

Fleck: you have too if you want your problem fixed

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patdk-wk:

then I tried it again at .19, and it was great :)

[17:49:38]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No, we'd be at .100

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Captain_Murdoch:

and it would take a year and a half

[17:50:42]

elmojo:

Fleck: ubuntu(debian) allows your to rebuild a package but you'll have to search for the details on that

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Shadow__X:

well comparing how from .21 to .22 tooka bout a year that is pretty quick

[17:51:02]

elmojo:

Fleck: it's not that difficult

[17:51:12]

Fleck:

elmojo yeah :) thanks, thank to all of you, helped much! :)

[17:51:16]

Fleck:

elmojo well i know ;P

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Fleck:

just, allways some problems etc

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Captain_Murdoch:

I plan on sending an email to the -dev list tomorrow (Dec 31 still here) about the feature freeze on Feb 1, so anyone with tested feature patches will want to get them into trac soonish.

[17:51:53]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: .22 to .23 will be a much more incremental upgrade

[17:52:07]

Fleck:

at the begining i used slackware linux (back in 2002) and gentoo so i'm familar with kernel compilations etc... :)

[17:52:21]

iamlindoro:

There will be few major new features, mostly some tightening up and smaller features

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iamlindoro:

.23 to .24 (July 1st or so) may have a few more major features, though

[17:52:45]

skd5aner:

I know that the cycle between .22 and .23 is planned to be intentionally short, but looking ahead – what about the cycle between .23 and .24? any thoughts on that yet?

[17:53:01]

skd5aner:

ok – apparently, iamlindoro is a mind reader

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Fleck:

iamlindoro now i have mythtv 0.22.0+fixes23034

[17:53:23]

elmojo:

Fleck: hopefully it'll be fixed soon enough

[17:53:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

we're trying out a 3+1 dev cycle (3 months for new features, one month feature freeze if necessary).

[17:53:32]

MartinJT:

sorry to ask the question, if I create a separate .srt file for the subtitles in a mkv file, would myth internal player pick them up and use them?

[17:53:37]

Fleck:

elmojo yeah i hope so ;)

[17:54:01]

Fleck:

next question is about fonts

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: the reason I was asking about the next cycle was because of the themeing contest – I was wondering if there were any thoughts to a continuation for the next (and/or future) cycle?

[17:54:10]

iamlindoro:

MartinJT: If they are properly created, yes

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Fleck:

they are so big – i can see channel name :D

[17:54:23]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: oh ok i get it thanks

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MartinJT:

iamlindoro, thanks for that... will give it a go...

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: For now the current theme contest will end at .23, though a couple of us have discussed similar ideas for other features that are upcoming

[17:54:50]

patdk-wk:

heh, freezes, isn't all software bug free? :)

[17:54:51]

skd5aner:

It's something I'd like to look in to, but know that it'd be impossible for me to get anything in on time for .23

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MartinJT:

i guess I asked the right question this time ;)

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skd5aner:

cool – thx

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Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, one thing we'd like to do is to eventually have something like themes.mythtv.org or some place which was a collection of themes that could be browsed, downloaded and installed from within mythfrontend.

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iamlindoro:

The idea of an OSD theme contest has been brought up, once the OSD is MythUI'd and stable

[17:58:07]

iamlindoro:

But it's not yet clear whether the OSD MythUI conversion will make .23

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Fleck:

elmojo where do i get patch for #7481

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elmojo:

Fleck: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . vformat.diff

[18:00:31]

elmojo:

Fleck: you can download or just manually apply... it's a one-liner

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skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: yea, makes sense – the cool part of that would be direct integration within myth.

[18:01:26]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, OSDs need some loving – lots that could probably happen in that area once mythui'd

[18:04:19]

skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: you know, one thing that would be pretty cool if there was a user-submission theme site, would be some kind of validation tool on upload that a theme is at least minimally compliant to the standards, is written cleanly and valid per themeing guidelines, and has the right screens themed

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iamlindoro:

Current OSDs are pretty decent IMO, but I have some... "different" ideas about them that I'd like to indulge that require MythUI

[18:04:50]

skd5aner:

kind of like the W3C validators

[18:04:58]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Already planned, though not with any validation

[18:05:13]

iamlindoro:

writing a Myth theme validator is more trouble than it's likely to be worth

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Fleck:

elmojo problem is that i enabled auto-builds and now i can't get source for my existing mythtv – only fixes 22594

[18:06:10]

skd5aner:

if only there was an army of myth developers ;)

[18:06:18]

skd5aner:

with unlimited time and resources

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iamlindoro:

If only more community members stepped up with patches and contributions, there would be :P

[18:06:58]

iamlindoro:

The tide is definitely in favor of accepting new devs into the project, if one wants to be involved, now is the time to submit noteworthy patches

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Fleck:

ok added deb-src :) downloading now

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elmojo:

Fleck: cool

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: so the theme contestants have to have their themes submitted by Feb. 1st?

[18:21:13]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: correct

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elmojo:

are you the sole judge?

[18:21:28]

iamlindoro:

No, not at all

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iamlindoro:

all the devs (who choose to) will judge and ideally we'll have a public voting component too

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elmojo:

cool

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elmojo:

I'm wondering if we'll see something as cool as ArcLight

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iamlindoro:

The idea was to have each participating dev count as a single vote, and the public count as a "phantom dev"

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elmojo:

I was wondering the other day how many people use MythTV around the world

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iamlindoro:

I think a fair guess is in the tens of thousands

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iamlindoro:

depending on how you define it, of course, which I define as daily, regular users

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: If the cable companies continue to raise their rates I can see more people open to using MythTV... with free OTA and all the content on the internet it will be very tempting

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elmojo:

the MythNetvision plugin will entice many people

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iamlindoro:

Hope so.. in the interest of full disclosure the initial release will be far from perfect-- it aims to do a lot and will minimally accomplish what it sets out to do, it'll just take some time to get there as I would like to

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iamlindoro:

Right now you can browse site trees and search sites, then watch the content fairly nicely-- but there's a couple bugs I need to solve that are non-trivial, and some usability things that it's going to take me some time to get really polished

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: One limitation versus what people may want as their prime content is the source's TOS and the methods they allow their videos to be accessed. Screen scrapping is a maintenance nightmare while API's and RSS fields are a joy,

[18:30:57]

RDV_Linux:

s/fields/URLs/

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elmojo:

does it have scripting capability so that people can do what they want?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Yes, it's script-expandable

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iamlindoro:

every site is basically a script that reports its capabilities (a script can provide a search, or a tree view, or both)

[18:32:25]

iamlindoro:

Takes some pre-established arguments and spits out results using standard RSS 2.0 media format, which the plugin parses and turns into the interface

[18:33:07]

iamlindoro:

With just a couple custom tags to create directory hierarchy and allow for paging in search results

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iamlindoro:

So the format is very standard

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: I tend to mention that "curl http://path/to/some/RSS/feed.xml" is a valid (though boring) grabber script

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elmojo:

sounds neat

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iamlindoro:

If I can overcome one major segfault causing bug then we'll be starting to get closer to releaseability, but every time I look at/work on it I want to pull my hair out in frustration

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iamlindoro:

I could basically disable all image previews and it would be rock solid, but dealing with downloading all the preview images and still allowing quick navigation of the tree has proven to be a real headache

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Dibblah:

"Takes some pre-established arguments and spits out results" – That sounds like the rerun of The Thread That Will Not Die on the -users ML.

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Dibblah:

Seriously – Every single time exactly the same people bring up exactly the same points.

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elmojo:

Fleck: having any luck?

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MartinJT:

question... what would cause subtitles to come out as all blocks using the internal myth player

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MartinJT:

?

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wagnerrp:

bad font

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MartinJT:

k... is there a way to check it?

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wagnerrp:

well first, why kind of subtitles, there are several

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wagnerrp:

youve got closecaptioning (text), srt files (text), dvd and dvb subtitles (images)

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MartinJT:

welll on checking... it appears I've extracted the wrong channel... the question "What Kind" prompted me to check... so you helped... thanks...

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MartinJT:

i was trying to view "chinese simplified"

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MartinJT:

which will never work...

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, Agree, and it's really disheartening how people are willing to take the product and all the free support, and still get up in arms when their are certain topics that cannot be discussed to preserve the safety of the devs

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[R]:

are people STILL going on about that card stuff?

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, as in, "Not only should you give me this software for free, but I am entitled to put you in jeopardy as I see fit too"... makes me genuinely sad

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wagnerrp:

you think this 'Phil Bridges' guy understands what multiplex means?

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wagnerrp:

Odd multiple-tuner livetv behavior

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GreyFoxx:

and the whole "just point them to somewhere else to get the info" argument doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

look at the various torrent sites

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GreyFoxx:

LITERALLY all they do is point to other places

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GreyFoxx:

they don't actually host any of the content

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GreyFoxx:

and they are getting sued and shutdown just for helping people get at it even though they are not hosting it

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wagnerrp:

and with DHT, peerexchange, and stuff like that, theyre really only taking an active role when you first enter the swarm

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wagnerrp:

after that, the swarm manages itself

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skd5aner:

... and we're back

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wagnerrp:

from outer space?

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[R]:

I just walked in to find you here

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wagnerrp:

with that look upon your face

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

wagnerrp: close, but not quite

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[R]:

I just walked in to find you here

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[R]:

damnit

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** [R] smacks his copy/paste buffer **

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wagnerrp:

oh, 'without'

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[R]:

with that sad look upon your face

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wagnerrp:

ah, i guess the Cake version is different from the original

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[R]:

cake redid it? is it any good?

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[R]:

they had that one song i liked

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wagnerrp:

it has a completely different sound... cake'ish

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** [R] looks if amazon has it **

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[R]:

oh nice

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[R]:

its got swears

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wagnerrp:

http://www.last.fm/music/CAKE/_/I+Will+Survive

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Dagmar:

The vocalist is dragging

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Dagmar:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hahaha... 'i should have changed my *record scratch* huffing lock'

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wagnerrp:

not sure why some place like last.fm would have to play the radio edits

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Dagmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH3qrMnpYD0 <-- FAR better cover of an older tune. Cure's 'Lovesong' by Snake River Conspiracy

[21:09:26]

Dagmar:

Keep away from breakable objects

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justinh:

well, it's time to stop getting emails from the dev mailing list again

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skd5aner:

Dagmar: I was just telling someone about that cover a couple weeks ago

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skd5aner:

pretty dark

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[R]:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23042

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[R]:

i love things like that

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[R]:

you're off doing 1 thing... and then get distracted by something else... and wind up fixing it

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Dagmar:

I've been trying to get it on vinyl but I think they only cut it as CD

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justinh:

vinyl. meh

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Dassu:

ANybody here using a mobile phone as a remote for their PC?

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Dassu:

I'm having problems with anyRemote with inability to connect to the server through bluetooth

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justinh:

maybe something to take up with whoever wrote it

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Dassu:

well, there are mutiple programs for it. it is just that I already tried two of them and both had problems on my mobile phone.

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** justinh wonders what this has to do with mythtv **

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wagnerrp:

PC? or mythtv?

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Dassu:

just probing if everybody had done it. Would speed up the things

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wagnerrp:

because there are several programs to use controlling the mythfrontend through the telnet socket with a mobile phone

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wagnerrp:

but if youre just doing it to control a computer in general, thats not really our area of knowledge

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Dassu:

wagnerrp: looking for something that can also control mplayer

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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justinh:

oo good news about the thiny getting OSS drivers

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Dassu:

wagnerrp: because I use mplayer also

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wagnerrp:

the crystalhd thingy? that got drivers yesterday?

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justinh:

yeah I saw a post about it :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, "Yay," now more people can use it as an excuse for thinking a VIA is a valid frontend? ;)

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wagnerrp:

they make VIAs with such new-fangled technology as PCIe?

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justinh:

hahaha

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bobbies:

quick question, in mythbuntu 9.10 where do I control samba settings? In Ubuntu 9.10 there is a right click menu that isn't there in mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

better question for #ubuntu or #mythbuntu

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bobbies:

k

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using the Celeron E1500?

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wagnerrp:

just about

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Led-Hed:

Just wondering if its powerfull enough for HD playback

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Dagmar:

It's a Celeron

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wagnerrp:

ive got a E4500, which is basically the same chip with gobs more cache

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Led-Hed:

I have a E5200 (2.5Ghz) and it seems to do fine. About 20–30% CPU usage when playing HD TV

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: that depends entirely on the kind of HD you want to play back

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Led-Hed:

just wondering is the slightly slower clock and less cache would have that much effect on it

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wagnerrp:

it will do HD mpeg2, so ATSC and QAM recordings

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wagnerrp:

but anything else and youre probably SOL

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Dagmar:

Ugh

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, thats what I watch. I dont transcode to H.264

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Dagmar:

I feel cheated

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Dagmar:

Dr Who airs *tomorrow* night

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, it would probably suffice if paired with an nVidia GF9300 (VDPAU)

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: if *you* transcoded to h.264, it would work fine

[22:38:29]

Dagmar:

My HD-PVR has made it all the way to Kentucky already

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wagnerrp:

since you would probably drop the bitrate to 6–8mbps, and do at least two slices

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wagnerrp:

which that chip would handle fine

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, does VDPAU only work with H.264? or does it handle MPEG2 also?

[22:39:18]

wagnerrp:

however stuff like the HDPVR, HD h264 off DVB broadcasts, and bluray/hddvd, that chip has no chance

[22:39:44]

Dagmar:

afaik vdpau doesn't do mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#What_is_it

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Dagmar:

However, you don't really _need_ it to play that back on anything that doesn't suck

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Led-Hed:

I thanks

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wagnerrp:

'suck' meaning P4s, older AthXPs, or anything VIA

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Led-Hed:

I have a Zotac 9300-G-E, (Mini-ITX) w/ E5200, and when watching HD (MPEG2) cpu usage is around 2–5%

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Dagmar:

Eggsactly

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wagnerrp:

and Atom

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Dagmar:

Well, I dunno about the Atoms yet

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_ben:

hey all, just wondering if anyone could suggest something for a frontend – I'd like something that can utilise VPDAU

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_ben:

reading the wiki atm, but i suspect it's slightly out of date

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Led-Hed:

Atoms in an ION platform should be ok, except for BluRay

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Dagmar:

_ben: Buy something from the list http://mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#What_is_it

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wagnerrp:

the Atoms can technically handle moderate bitrate ATSC, but will probably choke on full 19mbps

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wagnerrp:

and the dual core versions will let you do deint on the second core

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wagnerrp:

so theyre basically right on the edge of 'suck'

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Dagmar:

Argh

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Dagmar:

HD-PVR recordings... are the interlaced or not?

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether you do 720p or 1080i

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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abqjp:

Dagmar: The HD-PVR just records whatever you feed it.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it just encodes what it receives, no internal scaler

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Dagmar:

I'm a bit of a mess with it at the moment since I've got parts coming at me from all directions, and I mainly didn't expect to FIND an HD-PVR now

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wagnerrp:

your chip will probably do ~10mbps

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Dagmar:

Ah well it's figuring into what video card I'm about to buy

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Dagmar:

The 7050pv works a treat for MPEG2, but obviously that's about to stop being my primary storage format

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wagnerrp:

seems there some report on HD_Playback_Reports for your chip

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wagnerrp:

but its someone doing 720p@4mbps, so they should be stabbed

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Dagmar:

*kinda* looks like I'm better off aiming for a 210 than an 8/9xxx

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wagnerrp:

220 is ideal

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wagnerrp:

210 wont do the advanced deint at 1080i

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wagnerrp:

insufficient power

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure that I have to care about that

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Dagmar:

The things I have that do 1080 are monitors, and the TV is running at 1366x768

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Dagmar:

It only does 720

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter, the content is 1080

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wagnerrp:

unless youre going to have your STB downscale everything, and not worry about deint at all

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Dagmar:

Yes, which means I'll probably be setting up an automatic de-cooking transcode to just bring it down to 720

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Dagmar:

I'm reasonably sure my STB can downscale

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_ben:

those eee boxes look cool

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Dagmar:

Just trying to keep the price point at an absolute minimum so when the whiners come I can say "LOOK, just go BUY THIS and stop futzing with it"

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Dagmar:

'cuz like, the motherboard and CPU I've got now for SD-only was dirt cheap

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Dagmar:

220's seem to run about $60, 210's $40, 8400's ~$33, 9400's about $42

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Dagmar:

So we can effectively assign a cost to using Advanced 2x deint

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Dagmar:

'bout twenny bucks

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Dagmar:

I can't see any cost-effectiveness in even trying for a motherboard with the necessary video built in

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_ben:

whats the total cost?

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Dagmar:

*just* to get a motherboard with an 8300 onboard results in about $100

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[R]:

i musta missed something... whats wrong with ion?

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: only if the prices have gone up, my board was $75

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Dagmar:

How should I know, I'm still looking up prices and boiling down the numbers

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[R]:

Dagmar: neweggs got some sweet ionitx's

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wagnerrp:

now the intel stuff is generally expensive, i recall the 9300 boards being $100+

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[R]:

Dagmar: thats got a 9400

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Dagmar:

IONs appear to start at about $115 and go up from there

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[R]:

Dagmar: i got mine for 85

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[R]:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 29-_-Product

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Dagmar:

Well, they don't have any of those now

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[R]:

thats 96

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wagnerrp:

and then there's Led-Hed's mini-itx 775 for like $140

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[R]:

unless you are against rebates

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wagnerrp:

not quite sure why they charge you more for less with that one

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Dagmar:

Rebates are generally not something I worry about since their availability isn't guaranteed beyond the promotional period

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, that doesnt include CPU, RAM, Case ...

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Dagmar:

*They* come into play last

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wagnerrp:

i know

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jpabq:

$430 for a complete "frontend" (ion, 2GB RAM, 500GB hard drive and remote control): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 11-_-Product

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wagnerrp:

im just comparing straight board cost

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Led-Hed:

but you can build a FE with that board for around $240 if you Netboot it and dont need a DVD/BD drive

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jpabq:

Sorry, that one only has a 320GB hard drive.

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[R]:

jpabq: that seems rather on the expensive side

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wagnerrp:

[R]: its also considerably smaller than anything you would build

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_ben:

i'm looking at $386

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_ben:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . K&tool=3

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jpabq:

[R], depends on what you are comparing it against.

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[R]:

jpabq: parts

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Dagmar:

That's also not complete

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wagnerrp:

none of the homebrew stuff is going to be particularly thin

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i'm sure you could find a comparable case

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Led-Hed:

nice looking case though

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Dagmar:

Ah wait it has RAM

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_ben:

ah heh – i didn't realise the newegg was the same link :p

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[R]:

does it have a sensor built in?

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Fleck:

elmojo nope ;P

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[R]:

cuz i can't seem to find a cable wit ha sensor on it in the pictures

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Fleck:

happy new year guys! :))

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jpabq:

$410 after rebate for a *complete* system including ir receiver seems pretty good to me.

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Dagmar:

I deal with a lot of people who basically have about half the parts (disks in particlar) just lying around already

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Led-Hed:

that would work for a HD Frontend, but as wagnerrp said earlier, it would probably choke on BluRay

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[R]:

Led-Hed: its ion

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Led-Hed:

[R], I see that

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wagnerrp:

any ION will handle any bluray

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jpabq:

Led-Hed, it will do blu-ray fine. There is even a version of it with blu-ray instead of a dvd drive.

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wagnerrp:

assuming you use VDPAU, rather than software

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[R]:

"7.1 Ch HD Audio with DTS"

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jpabq:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 12-_-Product

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[R]:

is that marketing speak?

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[R]:

or can it actually decode dts?

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: not that that matters, since you cannot rip bluray on linux

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** Led-Hed has not experience with BluRay + VDPAU **

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Dagmar:

You can decode that in software. You may not however do it.

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Dagmar:

yay patents

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, you can, but not easily or consistently --- basically meaning it is not worth the trouble.

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[R]:

whos gonna have a surround setup with a reciever that doesnt decode it though

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[R]:

even my crappy sony reciever can do dts

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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Dagmar:

If you wind up with a dts audio stream afaik you just pass it to the reciever

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wagnerrp:

jpabq: you can do AACS with the proper hacked drive to pull the codes out of, you can do BD+ with a small handful of disks

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Dagmar:

...anyone with that many speakers probably has a reciever connected

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wagnerrp:

so yes, not currently worth the trouble

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elmojo:

Fleck: I guess it is new year on your side of the world

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Fleck:

yeah :) it is

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wagnerrp:

and besides, you still have to rip the video files to disk first

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Fleck:

01:00 AM :)

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Fleck:

elmojo i have error: undefined reference to `aac_decoder'

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jpabq:

On that Asrock box, they must be hiding the ir receiver behind the grill on the left.....

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Dagmar:

from _what_

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Fleck:

during make ...

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Dagmar:

So pastebin the last 50 or so lines of the output

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_ben:

that asrock looks pretty neat tbh

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elmojo:

Fleck: did you run 'apt-get build-dep mythtv'?

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Fleck:

yep

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Fleck:

i did ;:)

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elmojo:

Fleck: might be worth asking in #ubuntu-mythtv

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Fleck:

ok

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jpabq:

Dagmar, I think I want one of these: ECS NSGT220C-1GQS-H

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Dagmar:

You probably don't. 'ECS'

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Dagmar:

expendable chinese shite

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jpabq:

Really? I can't find any other manufacturer making a fanless GT220 that will fit in my first generation Antec Fusion case.

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wagnerrp:

oh look, my arch nemesis... UTF-8

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Led-Hed:

night all

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Led-Hed:

have a good New Years

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sid3windr:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/825/demoscenevsgamesvsreali.jpg

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sid3windr:

I lol'd

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sid3windr:

:>

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it

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Dagmar:

~neotehchosen

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Dagmar:

wrongchan

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