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| [00:06:38] | Guest61128: | when the guid data is populated completely in the db , what output do i expect in the log? |
| [00:07:41] | [R]: | Guest61128: huh? |
| [00:08:17] | Guest61128: | mtytthv says "mtythv etup complete: it may take a while to get guide data populated" |
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| [00:08:47] | [R]: | where does it say that? |
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| [00:08:58] | Guest61128: | after i exit mythtv setup |
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| [00:09:46] | [R]: | pretty sure it says "you should run mythfill" |
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| [00:09:56] | shyalbertaguy: | hello |
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| [00:13:00] | PenguinPower: | Does anyone know if Diamond ATI TV Wonder 650 USB TV Tuner is currently supported in ubuntu 9.04/mythtv? |
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| [00:17:35] | [R]: | PenguinPower: linuxtv.org |
| [00:17:57] | ctmjr: | PenguinPower: do not know about ubuntu but it works in debian/lenny with version 22 |
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| [00:18:56] | PenguinPower: | lenny as in 5.0? |
| [00:19:02] | ctmjr: | yes |
| [00:20:02] | PenguinPower: | thank you |
| [00:20:16] | ctmjr: | your welcome |
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| [00:23:32] | ctmjr: | but it really has nothing to do with the distro it is supported by v4l you do need the firmware for it |
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| [00:37:26] | Elv1313: | Hi, I am trying to evaluate the possibility of changing some of my frontend from MythFrontEnd to XBMC, I have several frontend around, so I am sure that Myth is OK when it come to remote access. I can see the recording, see the guide, but I can't use both. Any idea why? |
| [00:37:49] | Elv1313: | 19:39:07 T:140449635784736 M:2338693120 NOTICE: DVDPlayer: Opening: myth://mythtv2:123@192.168.2.238/tvshows/Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations/1037_20091221030000.nuv |
| [00:37:50] | Elv1313: | 19:39:07 T:140449635784736 M:2338693120 WARNING: CDVDMessageQueue(player)::Put MSGQ_NOT_INITIALIZED |
| [00:37:52] | Elv1313: | 19:39:07 T:140449102108432 M:2338693120 NOTICE: Creating InputStream |
| [00:37:53] | Elv1313: | 19:39:07 T:140449102108432 M:2338693120 ERROR: SetupRecording – unable to connect to file |
| [00:38:03] | Elv1313: | (password are fake) |
| [00:40:16] | iamlindoro: | Elv1313, We don't provide support for third party frontends here |
| [00:40:38] | Elv1313: | ok, ok, but that still mythtv after all |
| [00:40:42] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not |
| [00:40:55] | iamlindoro: | if you want support for a third party frontend, you need to get it from the author of said frontend |
| [00:41:04] | Elv1313: | ok |
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| [00:45:27] | Elv1313: | 19:39:07 T:140449635784736 M:2338693120 WARNING: CDVDMessageQueue(player)::Put MSGQ_NOT_INITIALIZED |
| [00:45:39] | iamlindoro: | still not a myth error messave... |
| [00:45:40] | Elv1313: | oops |
| [00:45:44] | iamlindoro: | s/v/g/ |
| [00:45:47] | Elv1313: | wrong channal |
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| [01:27:48] | wagnerrp: | the Crystal HD stuff isnt an output card is it? |
| [01:28:04] | wagnerrp: | it just feeds a decoded video stream back into the system? |
| [01:29:19] | iamlindoro: | right |
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| [01:36:30] | k_ross: | hmm, first i heard of it. i just found the broadcom page describing it. it says linux support, as well as flash integration. i guess for now it's only available to oem's making netbooks and the like. it would be nice as an add-on PCI-e card |
| [01:36:50] | kormoc: | it's a pcmcia card |
| [01:36:52] | wagnerrp: | k_ross: it is |
| [01:36:56] | wagnerrp: | (mini-pcie) |
| [01:36:59] | iamlindoro: | You can buy them for $20 on eBay |
| [01:37:03] | kormoc: | (or that) |
| [01:37:06] | k_ross: | oh really? i duess i didn't read enough of the page |
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| [01:37:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: they have expresscard versions? |
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| [01:37:29] | kormoc: | I thought they were only expresscard |
| [01:37:35] | kormoc: | but I am likely misremembering |
| [01:37:38] | iamlindoro: | Only MiniPCIe TTBOMK |
| [01:37:53] | kormoc: | and his TTBOMK is better then mine :) |
| [01:38:39] | iamlindoro: | nah |
| [01:38:41] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [01:39:03] | iamlindoro: | only vivid in my memory because I've had some chats with Jarod about it |
| [01:39:14] | wagnerrp: | pumping 1080i60 across that is stretching the interconnect |
| [01:39:48] | kormoc: | it hardware decodes no? |
| [01:40:08] | iamlindoro: | yeah, but doesn't output |
| [01:40:13] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:40:15] | iamlindoro: | so it has to push it back to the video card |
| [01:42:03] | k_ross: | by my calculations that would be 187 MB/s |
| [01:42:59] | kormoc: | 3.70788574 gigabits (474.609375 megabytes) |
| [01:43:15] | kormoc: | 1920*1080*60*32 bits (color depth) |
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| [01:43:34] | k_ross: | it depends on whichh version of pci-e you use. v1 does 250 MB/s per lane, v2 does 500 MB/s, and v3 does 1 GB/s per lane |
| [01:43:38] | syamajala: | wagnerrp: i've been wondering, i have a creative 5.1 card laying around would i be able to use sound from multiple video sources with that? |
| [01:43:49] | k_ross: | 32 bit? i did 24 bit |
| [01:44:02] | k_ross: | you multiplied by 60. that means 60p |
| [01:44:11] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [01:44:43] | AndyCap: | well, how would that work re deinterlacing etc? |
| [01:44:44] | kormoc: | and aye, looks like it is 24 bit |
| [01:45:05] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im expecting it doesnt do deint |
| [01:45:22] | iamlindoro: | It does have some basic deint |
| [01:45:23] | AndyCap: | or syncing up a 60i output mode? :P |
| [01:45:36] | iamlindoro: | though I think it's fairly rudimentary |
| [01:45:40] | wagnerrp: | and 1080p60 is 3Gbps, 375MB/s |
| [01:46:03] | wagnerrp: | (thats why SDI is rated for 3Gbps) |
| [01:46:28] | wagnerrp: | anyway... syamajala, does that card have multiple line inputs? |
| [01:46:37] | wagnerrp: | i believe it does if you have the live bay |
| [01:46:45] | wagnerrp: | but not if youre using the rear panel connectors |
| [01:46:59] | iamlindoro: | creative linux drivers have classically been pretty awful, but that might have improved semi-recently |
| [01:47:10] | wagnerrp: | however you could use the creative card and the onboard card to capture one stream each |
| [01:47:30] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: my 5.1 and audigy cards worked without much issue |
| [01:47:51] | syamajala: | guess i'll play with it |
| [01:47:54] | iamlindoro: | think it's the live that was worst |
| [01:47:55] | wagnerrp: | my only complaint was that some value gets muted by default |
| [01:48:01] | wagnerrp: | and you have to enable it for sound to output |
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| [02:15:04] | wagnerrp: | 'recordedprogram' is just additional information for entries in the 'recorded' table, correct? |
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| [02:17:37] | iamlindoro: | to prevent it expiring with the listings data, yes |
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| [02:22:44] | thefRont: | I know I had this problem earlier with 0.21 but when I try to delete livetv recordings they just don't get removed....eventually it happens that a show I wanted to delete gets removed some time later, though |
| [02:23:05] | wagnerrp: | you have delete set up to expire, rather than directly delete |
| [02:23:36] | thefRont: | that checkbox is deactivated here |
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| [02:28:27] | thefRont: | that's why it's so strange to me |
| [02:28:44] | thefRont: | automatic deletion is deactivated |
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| [02:35:04] | thefRont: | looks to me like a bug. the setting is just not recognized |
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| [02:43:08] | thefRont: | here are my auto expire settings: |
| [02:43:09] | thefRont: | http://the-front.de/pics/mythtv_autoexpire.png |
| [02:43:33] | thefRont: | auto expire instead of delete recordings is disabled |
| [02:43:39] | thefRont: | still I can't manually delete recordings |
| [02:44:01] | thefRont: | did I miss something or could this really be a bug? |
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| [03:00:46] | dspDrew: | what are hcr freaquencies |
| [03:01:19] | [R]: | dspDrew: alternate from the main ones |
| [03:01:48] | wagnerrp: | you almost certainly wont need to use them |
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| [03:13:12] | thefRont: | btw, the file access rights are correct |
| [03:14:00] | AGreyCrane: | I'm looking to start using MythTV again and I am trying to figure out what hardware I should get (tuner card, tv provider) everything. I'm looking to be able to record HDTV from whom ever I choose (comcast, directv, dishnetwork) |
| [03:14:17] | kormoc: | hdpvr and whatever provider you want |
| [03:14:36] | j-rod: | so currently, you can only find a mini pci-e crystal hd card on the open market |
| [03:15:08] | [R]: | j-rod: what about the ... black... market.. haha |
| [03:15:13] | [R]: | is that the opposite of open? |
| [03:15:33] | ** kormoc thinks [R] needs to read wikipedia more ** | |
| [03:15:34] | j-rod: | I have a pci-e x1 card in my possession. |
| [03:15:53] | j-rod: | and they'd like to do an expresscard version |
| [03:16:12] | j-rod: | but the only thing currently available in any large quantities is mini pci-e |
| [03:16:17] | [R]: | kormoc: which article? |
| [03:16:42] | [R]: | i don't understand how it works |
| [03:16:50] | [R]: | you feed the device the compressed video |
| [03:16:55] | [R]: | and it spits out the uncomopressed video back on the bus? |
| [03:17:10] | kormoc: | yes |
| [03:17:14] | AGreyCrane: | kormoc: hmm, thanks. I am a bit dated in what hardware to go with. I last used MythTV about 6 years ago |
| [03:17:15] | [R]: | and theres enough bandwidth for that? |
| [03:17:28] | kormoc: | evidently |
| [03:17:31] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:17:42] | [R]: | so does it come back to the program and then the program has to display it? |
| [03:17:45] | wagnerrp: | [R]: for anything sort of 1080p50/60 |
| [03:17:53] | wagnerrp: | [R]: yes |
| [03:17:57] | [R]: | basically like using a software decoder, just its hardware instead? |
| [03:18:00] | wagnerrp: | s/sort/short/ |
| [03:18:08] | kormoc: | display/dump into video card |
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| [03:18:08] | wagnerrp: | apparently |
| [03:18:17] | wagnerrp: | think of it like a framegrabber |
| [03:18:23] | kormoc: | perfect for what it's designed for, low powered, slow machines |
| [03:18:31] | [R]: | i think its a great idea |
| [03:18:33] | wagnerrp: | mythtv would basically pull it out of one bus, and dump it into another |
| [03:18:47] | wagnerrp: | possibly do some deint on it |
| [03:18:55] | [R]: | is it "better" then vdpau? |
| [03:19:02] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [03:19:25] | j-rod: | the crystal hd hardware can do deinterlacing, yes |
| [03:19:53] | j-rod: | dma bitstream in, chip decodes and post-processes it, then you dma raw frames of video out |
| [03:20:21] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Wouldn't it be so much easier just to day "everything iamlindoro said or says is right?" ;) |
| [03:20:26] | iamlindoro: | s/day/say/ |
| [03:20:42] | j-rod: | that works. |
| [03:21:12] | j-rod: | I only started paying attention a few minutes ago though, haven't looked much at the scrollback, so I wasn't really aware of what anyone had or hadn't said :) |
| [03:21:19] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [03:21:29] | j-rod: | I've been feverishly working on wrapping up the new pure input imon driver |
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| [03:21:44] | j-rod: | and porting lirc_dev to the new 2.6.33 kfifo api |
| [03:21:59] | j-rod: | so I can resubmit lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb too |
| [03:22:00] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [03:22:07] | ** iamlindoro looks forward to a bright, LIRCless future ** | |
| [03:22:16] | iamlindoro: | or at least, LIRC configurationless |
| [03:22:59] | [R]: | so my usb ir reciever shows up as an input device... and then i block X from using it as a keyboard and i use lirc to get the keypresses... am i weird? |
| [03:23:17] | j-rod: | nope, pretty common |
| [03:23:30] | j-rod: | lirc is more work to set up, but more flexible |
| [03:23:31] | [R]: | but it took me forever to figure out how to make x not use it as a keyboard |
| [03:23:41] | j-rod: | plus, mythtv doesn't have proper input layer support yet |
| [03:23:43] | [R]: | and evne tehn... i'm doing it such a horrible way |
| [03:23:47] | j-rod: | (also on my todo list to remedy) |
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| [03:24:41] | j-rod: | um... lircd's devinput userspace driver makes a 'set exclusive use' ioctl call when it opens an input device... its really not very complicated... |
| [03:25:51] | ** kormoc assumes he's one of those start X before lirc guys ** | |
| [03:26:58] | j-rod: | even then, once lircd starts up, it'll still grab exclusive use of the device |
| [03:27:09] | j-rod: | works here, anyway... |
| [03:27:22] | ** j-rod doesn't pretend to understand how any other distribution but his own does things ** | |
| [03:29:07] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, In honor of you I installd Fedora 12 on the new kitchen frontend |
| [03:29:27] | j-rod: | heh, sweet |
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| [03:29:44] | iamlindoro: | aside from failing utterly at a yum builddep for mythtv, things went smoothly |
| [03:30:03] | squish103: | what do i search for to fix the problem that my tuners seem to get confused after reboot, and my pvr-150 ends up attached to the wrong tuner (im not sure i explained that correctly) |
| [03:30:12] | [R]: | j-rod: really? so x won't use it? |
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| [03:30:14] | Guest61128: | i keep getting an "error opening jum rogram file", and i cant tell whats wrong as the logs dont indicate anything |
| [03:30:26] | iamlindoro: | squish103, search the wiki for udev |
| [03:30:35] | squish103: | thanks |
| [03:30:41] | [R]: | Guest61128: where do you see that? |
| [03:30:45] | j-rod: | [R]: yes, really |
| [03:30:49] | iamlindoro: | they're not confused, it's just that without udev rules your tuners aren't guaranteed to come up in any particular order |
| [03:30:54] | [R]: | j-rod: hrm... i'll have to play with taht tehn... thanks |
| [03:31:02] | Guest61128: | [R]: when i select a channel and after it gets a lock |
| [03:31:05] | j-rod: | I tend not to just make shit up :) |
| [03:31:14] | iamlindoro: | there you go making shit up again |
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| [03:31:29] | j-rod: | dammit, you caught me |
| [03:31:29] | sphery: | squish103: or for the cop-out: modinfo ivtv |
| [03:31:40] | [R]: | Guest61128: you mean it says that on the screen? |
| [03:33:30] | Guest61128: | [R]: yeah on the screen |
| [03:33:59] | Guest61128: | Error: offset>181, pes length & current can not be queried |
| [03:33:59] | Guest61128: | 2009-12–30 14:33:16.014 MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0xffffffffb043bdf8) |
| [03:33:59] | Guest61128: | 2009-12–30 14:33:21.025 MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0xffffffffb043b710) |
| [03:34:00] | [R]: | Guest61128: ok so what does the frontend log say |
| [03:34:18] | Guest61128: | there is no front end log |
| [03:34:31] | Guest61128: | just bacend and fill log |
| [03:35:01] | [R]: | you're obviously running the frrontend |
| [03:35:07] | [R]: | so it says something |
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| [03:35:31] | Guest61128: | i cant find a log file though with the rest |
| [03:36:49] | [R]: | then you need to learn how to start programs from the command line and redirect their output or learn to use their arguments |
| [03:37:13] | Guest61128: | ok teach me |
| [03:38:09] | [R]: | i never implied i would tell you all that basic stuff one should know |
| [03:38:22] | Guest61128: | if you referring to the pipe then i know that already |
| [03:38:36] | Guest61128: | and the > goes to a file |
| [03:38:42] | [R]: | then you're all set |
| [03:39:10] | Guest61128: | so what program am i running? mythweb |
| [03:40:16] | [R]: | who said anything about mythweb |
| [03:40:46] | Guest61128: | you said start program redirect output |
| [03:42:51] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [03:46:37] | thefRont: | ok, I'm fairly sure now that there actually is a bug in the functionality of deleting recordings. |
| [03:46:59] | [R]: | thefRont: bug you say? |
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| [03:47:58] | thefRont: | I still can't delete recordings out of the media library |
| [03:48:07] | [R]: | can't delete you say |
| [03:48:14] | [R]: | there is a setting |
| [03:48:16] | thefRont: | but while watching a recording and then hit delete it actually gets deleted instantly |
| [03:48:18] | [R]: | that makes deleting actually mark autoexpire |
| [03:48:35] | thefRont: | autoexpire is deactivated |
| [03:48:58] | [R]: | i think i read something about something with delete not being fully implemetneed |
| [03:48:59] | [R]: | or something |
| [03:49:08] | thefRont: | it was in 0.21 |
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| [03:49:20] | [R]: | things have changed in 22 |
| [03:49:27] | thefRont: | I had problems deleting recordings there at first, too |
| [03:49:59] | nero: | So its been a while since I've used mythTV (fell out of the loop at v 0.20 when I went to Verzion FiOS, and got a HDTV). I've been hearing rumblings that the Hauppage HD-PVR works with MythTV now. Any comments on how well it works? I had a very tight (And wife accepted ;) ) SD setup with 0.20.. hoping to get the same with HD, and 0.22 if possible. |
| [03:50:04] | thefRont: | but what's the point in delaying a deletion when I actually say "delete" ? |
| [03:50:30] | [R]: | i just told you, there is an optino for that |
| [03:50:35] | [R]: | and i also said |
| [03:50:42] | [R]: | i read something about something not being fully implemented |
| [03:50:46] | [R]: | so take your pick |
| [03:50:59] | [R]: | nero: works great here |
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| [03:52:01] | nero: | [R]: what level of hardware is necessary for 1) a combined mythbackend and frontend that would record from two HD set top boxes, and 2) a devoted front end machine for the bedroom? |
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| [03:52:13] | [R]: | recording is irrelevent |
| [03:52:15] | [R]: | you just need usb 2 |
| [03:52:22] | [R]: | frontend needs either a big honkin 3ghz+ |
| [03:52:26] | [R]: | or vdpau capable |
| [03:52:27] | nero: | (and I suppose I should ask- can one run two HD-PVRs?) |
| [03:52:36] | [R]: | i've read people running 3 |
| [03:52:43] | wagnerrp: | nero: with two usb ports |
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| [03:53:12] | nero: | nice.. sounds like this would be doable.. :) |
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| [03:53:31] | [R]: | wagnerrp: did i tell you i have 2 out of 4 bad usb ports on my motherboard? |
| [03:53:41] | wagnerrp: | fancy |
| [03:53:56] | [R]: | thats why my hdpvr was crapping out |
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| [03:56:11] | AGreyCrane: | nero: I am looking to do the exact same thing |
| [03:56:33] | nero: | Ok, so going with something like a core2 duo E8200 + a GT 220 should work well? |
| [03:56:42] | [R]: | for what? |
| [03:56:49] | nero: | for playback. |
| [03:56:55] | [R]: | you dont need that big of a beast for that |
| [03:56:57] | [R]: | but it'll work |
| [03:57:16] | nero: | ok.. what would you say then for going towards the inexpensive side? |
| [03:57:22] | [R]: | huh? |
| [03:57:28] | nero: | (I recall there was a hardware database somewhere.. perhaps I should look there) |
| [03:57:39] | [R]: | i got a zotac ion for $85 |
| [03:57:49] | wagnerrp: | same thing, but with PVR-150s instead of HDPVRs |
| [03:57:54] | wagnerrp: | much cheaper, but no HD |
| [03:58:38] | nero: | wow.. that looks like a nice little package.. things have changed quite a bit since I was in the loop with this stuff. |
| [03:58:59] | wagnerrp: | [R]: where did you manage that one? |
| [03:59:09] | [R]: | wagnerrp: newegg |
| [03:59:11] | [R]: | $30 rebate |
| [03:59:20] | [R]: | the B-E |
| [03:59:20] | wagnerrp: | even a $110 one is cheap |
| [03:59:33] | wagnerrp: | single-core, ATX, no wireless? |
| [03:59:35] | [R]: | yeah |
| [03:59:40] | [R]: | its perfect for what i need |
| [04:01:19] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: that can't do HD playback though right |
| [04:01:22] | AGreyCrane: | *? |
| [04:01:27] | [R]: | of course it can |
| [04:01:29] | wagnerrp: | not in software, no |
| [04:01:30] | [R]: | thats the point of the ion |
| [04:01:45] | wagnerrp: | but it has an nvidia 9400M, capable of VDPAU, hardware decoding |
| [04:02:01] | wagnerrp: | (see [R]'s hardware suggestion way back there) |
| [04:02:07] | AGreyCrane: | yeah, just saw that after I asked sorry |
| [04:03:08] | nero: | anyone know if 802.11n is quick enough for HD streaming? |
| [04:03:21] | wagnerrp: | its not so much speed, as it is reliability |
| [04:03:25] | wagnerrp: | and wireless just isnt |
| [04:03:36] | sphery: | and doesn't it drop to 802.11g if any g clients connect? |
| [04:03:49] | kormoc: | depends on the access point |
| [04:03:54] | nero: | I have a dual band router.. so dropping to g wouldn't be an issue.. |
| [04:04:08] | sphery: | ah, cool... didn't know any allowed multiple |
| [04:04:09] | Dagmar: | You're not really listening, are you |
| [04:04:20] | sphery: | but still, wireless reliability is the problem |
| [04:04:26] | nero: | but I don't know how practical it'll be to run cat6 across the house.. so that might be a dealbreaker. |
| [04:04:26] | Gokee2: | Hello all, I am working on a minimal debian install for a mythtv frontend. How do I get the shutdown option to work from mythfrontend? Most of the documantation I can find deals with apci wakeup idle shutdown. |
| [04:04:28] | Dagmar: | It doesn't matter what speed you run at |
| [04:04:30] | iamlindoro: | plus wireless is a hub, not a switch |
| [04:04:32] | sphery: | (sorry for distracting the conversation) |
| [04:04:42] | iamlindoro: | ie, you share that bandwidth |
| [04:04:52] | nero: | Dagmar: I was commenting on sphery's comment.. not that it would necessarily work. |
| [04:04:53] | kormoc: | Gokee2: by setting the shutdown command to be the one you want to run? |
| [04:05:21] | sphery: | yeah, I admit to distracting him from wagnerrp's useful response |
| [04:05:28] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: how much memory did you put in the Zotac Ion? |
| [04:05:32] | sphery: | and iamlindoro's, it seems |
| [04:06:10] | Gokee2: | kormoc: Where do I set that at? The only way I have seen is if I had mythwelcome working. If I open mythwelcome it brings up mythfrontend and if I go out of mythfrontend mythwelcome does not respond. |
| [04:06:11] | [R]: | AGreyCrane: so vdpau in myth requires 512... every report i've read says you need 2gb of system ram to give 512 to the graphics... but i've only got 1gb in there and 512 to the graphics and 512 for system... and i swap like crazy at times... i really need the full 2gb in there |
| [04:06:13] | nero: | The worst part is.. we just sheetrocked the entire house.. doh.. |
| [04:06:23] | kormoc: | Gokee2: mythtv-setup iirc |
| [04:07:04] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: thanks |
| [04:08:26] | Gokee2: | kormoc: Hmmm? mythtv-setup is only on the backend? |
| [04:08:28] | sphery: | Gokee2: actually, "Halt command: Command or script to run if you select the shutdown option from the exit menu, if the option is displayed. You must configure an exit key to display the exit menu." is in mythfrontend settings. |
| [04:08:41] | kormoc: | there you go |
| [04:08:45] | sphery: | Gokee2: although there are timeouts, and pre-shutdown commands for mythbackend in mythtv-setup |
| [04:09:11] | sphery: | Gokee2: It's in Utilities/Setup|Setup|General on about page 2 or 3 |
| [04:09:20] | sphery: | s/page/screen/ |
| [04:09:32] | sphery: | (MythWeb has pages, mythfrontend has screens :) |
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| [04:10:11] | AGreyCrane: | So, from the sound of this no point in getting one of the dual core models eh? |
| [04:10:44] | Gokee2: | sphery: Ah great thanks :) |
| [04:11:11] | [R]: | AGreyCrane: dual core models of what |
| [04:11:31] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: sorry, the Zotac |
| [04:11:47] | [R]: | AGreyCrane: well depending on what you want to do with it |
| [04:11:55] | [R]: | AGreyCrane: its a pretty slow processor |
| [04:12:13] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: I'm just looking for it to frontend mythtv for HD |
| [04:12:21] | AGreyCrane: | well, for anything I want to playback on it |
| [04:12:39] | [R]: | if its just watching recordings/videos and its content that vdpau can handle, then the signel core works just fine |
| [04:12:53] | [R]: | but vdpau can only do mpeg2 and h264/vc1 |
| [04:13:01] | [R]: | is vc1 a codec of h264? |
| [04:13:09] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [04:13:14] | wagnerrp: | VC1 == WMV |
| [04:14:19] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: yeah, I don't mind re-encoding stuff to h264 on the backend first if I need too |
| [04:14:34] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: what about streaming stuff of of the net? |
| [04:14:56] | AGreyCrane: | hulu or others? |
| [04:15:08] | [R]: | flash is crap on the atom |
| [04:15:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support hulu or others at the moment |
| [04:15:16] | wagnerrp: | and when it does, it will primarily be flash |
| [04:15:34] | AGreyCrane: | yeah, but I could pull them up in a browser seperatly right? |
| [04:15:37] | wagnerrp: | anything you record will be mpeg2 or h264, and usable by VDPAU |
| [04:15:46] | [R]: | [09:15:07] [R] flash is crap on the atom |
| [04:15:53] | AGreyCrane: | ah |
| [04:16:11] | AGreyCrane: | well, I have the good 'ol laptop with HDMI out for that I guess |
| [04:16:21] | Dagmar: | Let's be clear |
| [04:16:29] | Dagmar: | MythTV *can't* support Hulu. |
| [04:16:34] | Dagmar: | Read their Terms of Service. |
| [04:16:49] | wagnerrp: | well mythbrowser can just fine |
| [04:17:14] | sphery: | except for the nasty flash causing crashes :) |
| [04:17:29] | kormoc: | Details... details... |
| [04:17:33] | AGreyCrane: | Dagmar: I understand that, it was more a question about the ability of the Zotac to handle it. :) |
| [04:18:23] | sphery: | on the list you can read about rumors of flash getting support for nvidia vdpau |
| [04:18:33] | Dagmar: | They're going behind a pay wall anyway, so as far as I care they can get stuffed |
| [04:18:34] | AGreyCrane: | So what's the prefered remote for controlling MythTV frontend on one of those Zotac boxes? |
| [04:18:43] | sphery: | however I suggest finding more authoritative information before making purchasing decisions based on that |
| [04:18:57] | mzb: | wii remote ;) |
| [04:19:05] | [R]: | sphery: thats gonna be a cold day inb hell |
| [04:19:23] | [R]: | AGreyCrane: whagever you want? |
| [04:19:49] | sphery: | Dagmar: exactly, once they start charging a subscription, it's out of my price range. Even the XBox 360, which has single-show purchase option is a better approach. |
| [04:20:05] | Dagmar: | I have a different take on it. |
| [04:20:19] | sphery: | Though the show I purchased on the XBox 360 was a serious pain to watch on the XBox 360. |
| [04:20:26] | Dagmar: | I put up with commercials on cable stations that I'm paying for becuase I don't have a choice. |
| [04:20:41] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: I don't know what I want. I have not used one since the one that came with my pvr-350 |
| [04:20:42] | Dagmar: | I'll be damned if I'll pay Comcast three times in a row for Hulu's commercials |
| [04:20:49] | kc: | sphery: You updated one of my trac tickets to include the backtrace. I followed the instructions that you provided. I just linked to the bug that apport created via launchpad. Is that good enough for you guys or should I host it? |
| [04:20:51] | sphery: | think they'll leave commercials in when they go subscription? |
| [04:21:04] | mzb: | AGreyCrane, or maybe a PS3 BD remote? (also bluetooth) ... IR is so "last millenium" ;) |
| [04:21:04] | iamlindoro: | kc, Your link is unopenable |
| [04:21:07] | sphery: | kc: which ticket? |
| [04:21:16] | kc: | 7779 |
| [04:21:22] | Dagmar: | Considering how much avarice is a part of giant media monopolies? |
| [04:21:24] | Dagmar: | Absolutely. |
| [04:21:29] | iamlindoro: | link goes to a page reporting "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. |
| [04:21:33] | [R]: | AGreyCrane: theres tons of stuff on remotes in the wiki and on the lirc website |
| [04:21:35] | Dagmar: | They'll probably have a premier pay tier that lets you skip them |
| [04:21:36] | iamlindoro: | kc, Please attach it as a text file to the actual ticket |
| [04:21:49] | sphery: | ah, yeah, the ticket for which I just received an e-mail :) |
| [04:21:52] | AGreyCrane: | [R]: thanks, I'll check that tomorrow |
| [04:22:00] | kc: | It's 29 megs, I think you have a limit lower than that |
| [04:22:12] | AGreyCrane: | [R] and everyone else: thanks for the help tonight, it has been much appreciated. |
| [04:22:18] | iamlindoro: | kc, A backtrace should *never* be 29 MB |
| [04:22:28] | iamlindoro: | a few K at most |
| [04:22:49] | iamlindoro: | sounds like it's trying to attach a core file or something, that's insane, just produce the actual backtrace |
| [04:22:50] | wagnerrp: | it was a backtrace on a recursive function |
| [04:22:55] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [04:23:00] | wagnerrp: | 500000 lines of calling itself |
| [04:23:18] | sphery: | did launchpad go to a "sign-in only" system? |
| [04:23:23] | sphery: | (even for viewing) |
| [04:23:25] | kc: | aye, was a core dump and it includes the log (-v all) |
| [04:23:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Even a sign-in doesn't help, I've got one |
| [04:23:29] | kc: | sphery: yes |
| [04:23:35] | iamlindoro: | kc, don't need either of those things |
| [04:23:39] | sphery: | that's not cool |
| [04:23:41] | iamlindoro: | just create a text file with the backtrace |
| [04:23:54] | sphery: | I guess I'll never read launchpad bugs again :) |
| [04:28:55] | sphery: | kc: even if you could just take the backtrace out of the file and post it to the ticket, that would likely be helpful |
| [04:29:17] | sphery: | if you'd like me to look at the backtrace after you pull it to see if it's good, I'd be happy to do so |
| [04:29:36] | sphery: | (feel free to pastebin it an I'll look before you update the ticket, again) |
| [04:29:42] | kc: | sphery: ya, getting it. Attaching it in a min. |
| [04:29:47] | sphery: | thx |
| [04:30:12] | sphery: | I wonder how soon I'll be forced to sign up with launchpad... |
| [04:30:20] | sphery: | at least--thanks to you--it won't be tonight :) |
| [04:30:26] | kc: | heh |
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| [04:31:46] | syamajala: | i decided to get a pvr-150 on ebay |
| [04:32:37] | [R]: | syamajala: ok? |
| [04:33:10] | sphery: | PVR-150 is a great choice of capture card for analog |
| [04:33:59] | kc: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1731469 |
| [04:34:39] | kc: | Also, I narrowed down exactly where it's failing in a recording. I was thinking of transcoding just that bit if needed. |
| [04:35:04] | kc: | And, I want to share the joy of watching the same dang forman mills commerical over and over to get you that backtrace ;) |
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| [04:35:59] | wagnerrp: | forman mills? |
| [04:36:04] | iamlindoro: | commercial? |
| [04:36:14] | wagnerrp: | dang? |
| [04:36:35] | kc: | Yea, I guess a local furnature chain |
| [04:37:00] | kc: | I was getting a segfault as the commercial ended and the program started |
| [04:37:39] | wagnerrp: | why is recordedrating not included in the recorded table? |
| [04:38:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, seems you can actually have multiple ratings listed for a single recording |
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| [04:38:51] | waxhead: | afternoon all |
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| [04:41:50] | BobLfoot_: | Anyone managed to get the HVR-1800 Analog running with Myth yet? |
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| [04:43:49] | iamlindoro: | What was wrong with the answer I gave you in the last channel? |
| [04:44:07] | wagnerrp: | hes looking for one he likes more |
| [04:44:13] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:44:15] | iamlindoro: | evidently |
| [04:44:17] | BobLfoot_: | nothing |
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| [04:44:56] | iamlindoro: | grr |
| [04:45:09] | iamlindoro: | For reference, I gave him the answer two minutes *before* he asked here |
| [04:45:26] | iamlindoro: | He just didn't like that I wouldn't give him the e-mail of who is working on it |
| [04:45:34] | iamlindoro: | note that that's wouldn't, not couldn't |
| [04:46:07] | iamlindoro: | because knowing how much unsolicited "fix it for me" e-mail bugs me, I'm certainly not going to be an accessory to anyone else getting it |
| [04:46:24] | waxhead: | is there another channel for myth? |
| [04:46:32] | iamlindoro: | There are many myth channels |
| [04:46:34] | [R]: | accessory... haha |
| [04:46:43] | wagnerrp: | but this is probably the one youre looking for |
| [04:46:52] | iamlindoro: | other languages, distro specific myth channels, development channels, theming channels... |
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| [04:47:02] | waxhead: | sure.. it's been good to me so far.. :) |
| [04:47:03] | [R]: | "Don't forget to bring a towel" |
| [04:47:12] | kc: | just don't tell him about #mythtv-supersecret |
| [04:47:14] | kc: | oops |
| [04:47:27] | waxhead: | ooooo |
| [04:47:39] | wagnerrp: | [R]: im trying to decide if thats a south park, or HHGTTG reference |
| [04:47:48] | ** waxhead /join #mythtv-supersecret ** | |
| [04:47:50] | iamlindoro: | It's no coincidence that the most pleasant myth channel is the most sparsely populated |
| [04:47:55] | [R]: | wagnerrp: hhgttg? |
| [04:48:15] | waxhead: | this one is sparsely populated? |
| [04:48:25] | kc: | [R]: turn in your geek card |
| [04:48:25] | iamlindoro: | no, the pleasant one is |
| [04:48:27] | [R]: | rofl |
| [04:48:40] | [R]: | oh |
| [04:48:43] | [R]: | hitchikers |
| [04:48:46] | kc: | :) |
| [04:48:53] | [R]: | its south park |
| [04:49:14] | sphery: | I don't get the SP reference |
| [04:49:33] | sphery: | I understood it when I thought it was HHGTTG |
| [04:49:34] | [R]: | sphery: towlie is always getting high and giving towel advice |
| [04:50:01] | sphery: | ahhh... Guess it would make more sense if I'd seen more than one episode of SP |
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| [04:50:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: imagine a towel with a microchip |
| [04:50:44] | sphery: | I'm choosing to ignore the SP reference and take it as a HHGTTG reference, so: [R] heh, good one :) |
| [04:50:47] | wagnerrp: | one that continually alters itself to make you more |
| [04:50:48] | wagnerrp: | and more |
| [04:50:52] | wagnerrp: | and more dry |
| [04:50:57] | wagnerrp: | drier than you have ever been |
| [04:51:25] | wagnerrp: | plus it talks and smokes pot |
| [04:51:39] | sphery: | wow, that's some towel |
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| [04:51:59] | [R]: | "I like buying my hammers and pants at the same store so I know how they look together." |
| [04:53:42] | waxhead: | what's the commandline scanning program called? |
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| [04:54:38] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has none |
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| [04:57:22] | waxhead: | scan would be what I was thinking of.. :-/ |
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| [05:10:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: oldrecorded matches are based off programid, and failing that are title/subtitle/description and title/subtitle? |
| [05:11:07] | kc: | erm, so I guess you can view tickets in launchpad without being logged in... if you change the ticket from private to public >.> |
| [05:11:39] | sphery: | based off programid if both episodes have a >0-length programid or based off the dupin dup checking method if not |
| [05:12:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, and title is always a factor for a normal (non-custom) recording rule (even with programid involved), I'm pretty sure |
| [05:12:27] | sphery: | kc: ah, cool... |
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| [05:13:22] | sphery: | and now I can see it |
| [05:13:26] | kc: | :) |
| [05:14:00] | kc: | not sure why it defaults to private |
| [05:14:01] | sphery: | oh, and it's ThreadStacktrace.txt that we're interested in |
| [05:14:15] | sphery: | guess for safety it's better to default to private |
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| [05:14:25] | kc: | True, depending on the nature of the bug |
| [05:14:47] | sphery: | ask Google (who had some issues with their Google Wave voice-mail-to-e-mail when they defaulted to "public") |
| [05:15:12] | sphery: | people's voice mails were showing up in Google web searches for about 2 days when they launched wave :) |
| [05:15:15] | kc: | Ya, the pastebin I supplied I just cut the stacktrace out of the core dump. |
| [05:16:34] | kc: | that's a feature. I don't want to hear my voicemails, so let someone else do it heh |
| [05:17:00] | sphery: | heh, that could be |
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| [05:17:41] | sphery: | that backtrace looks good--and looks to be one for Mark K (as it seems to be a VDPAU issue) |
| [05:17:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and 'duplicate' flags it as recordable or not? |
| [05:18:28] | sphery: | kc: would actually be /very/ interesting to know if it's reproducible on trunk (as that code has changed in trunk) |
| [05:18:40] | kc: | Hrmm, I don't think I saved it, but one of the times I was re-producing the error I could have sworn it complained about a double free |
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| [05:19:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: duplicate is a boolean indicating whether the oldrecorded episode or recorded program should be considered during duplicate matching |
| [05:19:29] | kc: | give me a sec. I'd consider compiling trunk if I can run both on the same machine |
| [05:19:31] | wagnerrp: | right, so 0 allows a recording |
| [05:19:57] | sphery: | kc: ah, guess I took too long to get back to you on that (you had said, "I will keep the recording as it appears to be reproducible." |
| [05:20:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, basically... More specifically, it means that that episode/recording shouldn't be considered for duplicate matching. |
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| [05:20:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: as you could have a 0 in oldrecorded and a 1 in recorded and if check for dups includes "current recordings", it won't record |
| [05:21:03] | sphery: | again |
| [05:21:14] | kc: | sphery: no, I still have it |
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| [05:22:05] | kc: | actually, It might be easier for me to generate a cutlist and just give you the snipet of the file that causes the error |
| [05:22:31] | sphery: | I can't do the testing since I don't have vdpau, but if you would like to go to trunk or if you can get a small piece for someone who can test it in trunk, it may allow us to close the ticket without spending a lot of time tracking down the issue |
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| [05:23:01] | sphery: | just make sure the issue is reproducible in the small piece you make available for the person you find to test it. :) |
| [05:23:39] | kc: | Oh it is. I watched the same dang commercial -> program transition too many times |
| [05:24:06] | sphery: | it looks like it should be as long as you do a lossless cut of the program |
| [05:31:51] | sphery: | kc: anyway, if nothing else, when 0.23 is released (before long, we hope), if you upgrade to 0.23 and find it works, please let us know. |
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| [05:32:21] | sphery: | it's possible that 0.23 will have completely new VDPAU code in it (as the work Mark is doing on the OSD has basically involved a complete rewrite of the VDPAU code). |
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| [05:33:26] | xtsuname: | hi, I have an ATI TV WOnder HD 600 USB, bought from woot a while back. I was told that it should work with mythTV, It's attached to comcast. I tried to set it up but failed miserably, can anyone point me to how I can make it work? |
| [05:33:41] | k_ross: | well if it's going to be rewritten anyway, how about using va-api, since it now has a working vdpau backend for it? |
| [05:37:22] | sphery: | it's been rewritten, actually (just in another branch, so it's not yet in trunk) |
| [05:37:41] | k_ross: | ok |
| [05:37:52] | sphery: | but VA-API doesn't expose all the functionality of VDPAU, so the devs working on VDPAU decided to go with direct VDPAU |
| [05:37:56] | j-rod: | va-api is less feature-complete than vdpau... |
| [05:38:00] | j-rod: | yeah, what he said |
| [05:38:15] | sphery: | I'm sure they'd love for someone to do a VA-API player, too, if you're so inclined :) |
| [05:38:48] | sphery: | I also think that XvMC support is going to be ripped out, so having VA-API will ease a lot of concerns over the loss of XvMC |
| [05:39:16] | iamlindoro: | that ought to tighten some already tight sphincters |
| [05:39:33] | iamlindoro: | people will write novels, I tell you |
| [05:39:34] | sphery: | and turn Graphite into diamonds! |
| [05:39:47] | k_ross: | i could, i'm no stranger to working on media player code (i used to work at real networks on the helix project), but it would take me longer to get up to speed than someone who lives in it every day |
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| [05:40:22] | iamlindoro: | k_ross, possibly, but given the momentum towards doing any VA-API video output at all is nil, you'd likely get it done long before anyone in-project is likely to |
| [05:40:32] | xtsuname: | urmm... really sorry to disturb your heated conversation, but is anyone able to help me? Thanx |
| [05:40:42] | sphery: | unfortunately, those who live in it (the myth code, that is) every day are kind of busy dealing with the players we already have :) |
| [05:40:58] | k_ross: | xtsuname: what is the status of your card at linuxtv.org? |
| [05:41:25] | xtsuname: | Support for this device was added to the LinuxTV codebase on July 26, 2008 (hg 8492), and was included in the 2.6.27 kernel. |
| [05:42:07] | k_ross: | xtsuname: do you end up with a /dev/video file (or something similar)? and can you cat it to a file and play it? |
| [05:42:20] | sphery: | I'm guessing a /dev/dvb file |
| [05:42:46] | sphery: | xtsuname: best bet is to get it working outside of Myth, then get it working in myth |
| [05:43:00] | k_ross: | yeah i'm thinking hd-pvr, where you don't have to tune first. ok scratch that. can you run the command line scan program and find channels? |
| [05:43:01] | sphery: | so test with simpler tools like the dvb tools and mplayer |
| [05:43:14] | sphery: | yeah, what he said |
| [05:43:32] | xtsuname: | err... I think I'm doing this wrong |
| [05:43:46] | xtsuname: | I'm not supposed to do cat /dev/video0 >> fiel right? |
| [05:44:04] | xtsuname: | It's working fine in TvTime |
| [05:44:07] | wagnerrp: | do you have a PVR-150/250/350/500? |
| [05:44:19] | wagnerrp: | or HVR-1600, or HDPVR |
| [05:44:22] | xtsuname: | sorry, what do u mean by that? |
| [05:44:33] | wagnerrp: | is one of those your cards? |
| [05:44:53] | xtsuname: | how do i check that? |
| [05:45:03] | wagnerrp: | what is your card? |
| [05:45:10] | xtsuname: | via lsusb |
| [05:45:18] | wagnerrp: | no... your card name |
| [05:45:23] | wagnerrp: | the thing printed on the side of the box |
| [05:45:24] | xtsuname: | Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0438:b002 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. |
| [05:45:26] | wagnerrp: | NO |
| [05:45:42] | k_ross: | http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/review-palace . . . -review.html |
| [05:45:42] | xtsuname: | ATI TV Wonder HD 600 USB Digital & Analog TV Tuner |
| [05:45:46] | k_ross: | oops |
| [05:45:50] | k_ross: | wrong window |
| [05:46:03] | wagnerrp: | ok, no... you cannot cat /dev/video0 and expect to get anything worthwile |
| [05:46:21] | xtsuname: | k, kinda expected that |
| [05:46:27] | xtsuname: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD . . . r_HD_600_USB |
| [05:47:11] | wagnerrp: | if it works in tvtime, you must set it up in mythtv as a V4L tuner |
| [05:48:03] | xtsuname: | VBI: /dev/vbi0 |
| [05:48:08] | xtsuname: | Audio:ALSA:default |
| [05:48:20] | xtsuname: | Audio sampling NONE |
| [05:48:24] | xtsuname: | Def input TV |
| [05:48:29] | xtsuname: | is that correct? |
| [05:48:38] | wagnerrp: | i have never used a framegrabber with mythtv, i cant tell you |
| [05:48:45] | iamlindoro: | have we determined whether he has a dvb node yet? |
| [05:48:51] | iamlindoro: | Since he appears to be trying to tune QAM |
| [05:49:01] | xtsuname: | err.. I have basic tv |
| [05:49:06] | xtsuname: | basic cable* |
| [05:49:10] | xtsuname: | so no HD and all |
| [05:49:13] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter |
| [05:49:23] | xtsuname: | k, how do I check? |
| [05:49:29] | wagnerrp: | ls /dev/dvb/ |
| [05:49:29] | iamlindoro: | and digital != HD |
| [05:49:50] | iamlindoro: | that is to day, digital channels aren't HD channels by definition |
| [05:49:52] | xtsuname: | wagnerrp, adapter0 |
| [05:49:54] | iamlindoro: | s/day/say/ |
| [05:50:05] | wagnerrp: | then yes, digital appears to be working |
| [05:50:15] | iamlindoro: | moreover, you likely *do* have the network TV channels as HD channels, you just haven't scanned for and tuned them yet |
| [05:50:22] | xtsuname: | demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 (what's inside adapte0) |
| [05:50:26] | iamlindoro: | yes, even with basic cable |
| [05:50:57] | iamlindoro: | so you should set up the card as a DVB card, and perform a channel scan with QAM-256 as the modulation and us-cable as the frequency table |
| [05:50:57] | xtsuname: | ah, ok, |
| [05:51:06] | xtsuname: | not as v4l? |
| [05:51:27] | iamlindoro: | not unless for whatever reason DVB doesn't work |
| [05:51:40] | iamlindoro: | using that device as a framegrabber (v4l) opens up a world of hurt |
| [05:51:51] | xtsuname: | k |
| [05:52:34] | wagnerrp: | note that TVTime which you were using earlier is analog only |
| [05:53:17] | iamlindoro: | anyway, since the card is hybrid, you can set it up as both eventually, but you will really want to prefer digital when possible |
| [05:53:35] | iamlindoro: | or better still, get a proper hardware encoder off eBay to handle analog if necessary |
| [05:53:39] | xtsuname: | when setting it to dvb |
| [05:53:56] | xtsuname: | it says that the frontend ID is pcHDTV HD-5500 Subtype ATSC |
| [05:54:13] | xtsuname: | is that fine? |
| [05:54:16] | iamlindoro: | it's fine |
| [05:54:35] | xtsuname: | do I need to click on DiSEqC? |
| [05:54:37] | iamlindoro: | just means it's polling the driver and that's what it identifies itself as (although it's inaccurate) |
| [05:54:38] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [05:54:40] | xtsuname: | or the Recording Options? |
| [05:54:47] | wagnerrp: | diseqc is for satellites only |
| [05:54:57] | iamlindoro: | I would leave recording options alone for now |
| [05:54:57] | xtsuname: | ok' |
| [05:55:07] | wagnerrp: | although technically could you use that for an antenna rotor? |
| [05:55:10] | xtsuname: | what should I do for Video Sources? |
| [05:55:10] | iamlindoro: | though if you have to ask about each of those, there's a fairly strong liklihood that you haven't read enough manual |
| [05:55:21] | iamlindoro: | okay, you definitely need to read the manual |
| [05:55:35] | iamlindoro: | because this is starting to sound a lot like AOL livechat support |
| [05:55:40] | xtsuname: | urmm.. MythTV has a manual? |
| [05:55:44] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [05:55:44] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:55:46] | xtsuname: | I tried looking via google |
| [05:55:52] | [R]: | did you try looking on the website? |
| [05:55:52] | xtsuname: | with my card attached |
| [05:55:53] | michael__: | http://pastebin.com/m33e4d701 i don't get why i can't watch live tv |
| [05:55:58] | wagnerrp: | have you tried mythtv.org? |
| [05:56:12] | xtsuname: | uh-huh |
| [05:56:19] | wagnerrp: | and you didnt find one? |
| [05:56:42] | iamlindoro: | michael__, You pasted a mythfilldatabase log (useless) and a frontend log (also useless) |
| [05:56:46] | xtsuname: | well, I guess skimming through it for keywords didn't allow me to understand the whole thing fully |
| [05:56:49] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [05:56:51] | iamlindoro: | need a backend log, as asked for 6 or so hours ago |
| [05:56:54] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki |
| [05:57:07] | wagnerrp: | dont skim through it looking for keywords |
| [05:57:08] | wagnerrp: | read it |
| [05:57:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv isnt something you can 'just wing' |
| [05:58:24] | wagnerrp: | looks like the dbox instructions need to be removed from the documentation |
| [05:59:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: where at? |
| [05:59:12] | xtsuname: | ah, I do have to say sorry for failing to read it. Although let me ask a really stupid question. Just for confirmation, Video Sources needs to be defined before the TV can work right? |
| [05:59:28] | xtsuname: | or not |
| [05:59:28] | iamlindoro: | each step in setup is numbered for a reason |
| [05:59:38] | iamlindoro: | they are all required, and they have an order |
| [06:00:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: And thanks for the reminder--I've been sitting here for 10 minutes trying to figure out what the other change I needed to commit was... It was to the help text for a setting (i.e. documentation). |
| [06:00:03] | michael__: | iamlindoro, ok here http://pastebin.com/m2300dfab |
| [06:00:28] | iamlindoro: | 2009-12–30 10:34:50.214 SG(Default) Error: Group 'Default' wants to use directory '/media/video/mythtv/', but this directory is not writeable. |
| [06:00:33] | iamlindoro: | They speak english in .au, right? |
| [06:00:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: 23.19 |
| [06:00:53] | iamlindoro: | foiled again by you, plain english error messages! |
| [06:00:55] | michael__: | iamlindoro, haha yes they do but i'm not sure how to fix it |
| [06:01:21] | iamlindoro: | make the directory writable by your backend user |
| [06:01:25] | michael__: | chmod 777 ??? |
| [06:01:30] | iamlindoro: | yikes |
| [06:01:31] | wagnerrp: | no, more likely chown |
| [06:01:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK. I'll look at it. I think we can remove them from trunk without it showing up on the web site |
| [06:01:41] | iamlindoro: | way to swat a fly with an elephant gun |
| [06:01:47] | xtsuname: | err, do I need to pay to use schedules direct? |
| [06:01:59] | iamlindoro: | xtsuname, yes, $20 a year and well worth it |
| [06:02:08] | xtsuname: | is there a way not to use that? |
| [06:02:10] | ** iamlindoro dearly hopes this isn't going to become the same conversation from the other day ** | |
| [06:02:16] | wagnerrp: | there is a 7 day free trial |
| [06:02:19] | iamlindoro: | xtsuname, in the US, no |
| [06:02:21] | xtsuname: | I'm really sorry... |
| [06:02:43] | xtsuname: | I'm trying to get this to work without using any additional expenses |
| [06:02:45] | wagnerrp: | hey man, scheduling data wants to be free |
| [06:02:47] | iamlindoro: | this is where you say you're disabled and thus after buying a computer, cable, electricity, and broadband, you can't afford $20 a year, right? |
| [06:02:54] | xtsuname: | err no |
| [06:02:54] | michael__: | iamlindoro, does that mean that i've got to add a user "default" to a group? |
| [06:02:54] | wagnerrp: | its yearning for greener pastures |
| [06:03:00] | iamlindoro: | because I have definitely been there |
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| [06:03:08] | sphery: | $20/yr = $1.67/mo = $0.0548/day |
| [06:03:14] | wagnerrp: | michael__: what user does your backend run as? |
| [06:03:22] | iamlindoro: | michael__, No, it means whichever user is running your backend must have write access to the directory |
| [06:03:30] | wagnerrp: | it will most likely do so as mythtv:mythtv |
| [06:03:34] | xtsuname: | yeah, mine's a bit simpler. My dad doesn't allow me to |
| [06:03:49] | wagnerrp: | which means you would want to do 'chown mythtv:mythtv /media/video/mythtv' |
| [06:03:49] | sphery: | if you can't afford $20/yr for the same extremely high-quality listings data that TiVo users pay $15/mo (or how much?) to get, you probably shouldn't be using MythTV |
| [06:03:58] | iamlindoro: | xtsuname, Reasons aside, to get listings data in the US, you need to use Schedules Direct |
| [06:04:12] | xtsuname: | without it can mythvtv still works? |
| [06:04:18] | xtsuname: | or does doing it one time works fine? |
| [06:04:20] | wagnerrp: | as well as a VCR |
| [06:04:38] | iamlindoro: | exactly, Myth is just a VCR that you have to manually start and stop without listings |
| [06:04:39] | iamlindoro: | ie, useless |
| [06:04:40] | wagnerrp: | at which point you may as well use one instead since it will be easier to work |
| [06:04:46] | sphery: | then again, doesn't VDR work just as well if you have no listings? |
| [06:05:05] | xtsuname: | errmm, just need it to watch live tv, won't be doing any recordings or anything like that |
| [06:05:13] | wagnerrp: | so use tvtime |
| [06:05:18] | wagnerrp: | or vlc |
| [06:05:20] | wagnerrp: | or mplayer |
| [06:05:27] | iamlindoro: | Myth is definitely the wrong tool if you just want to do liveTV |
| [06:05:30] | wagnerrp: | or kaffeine |
| [06:05:45] | iamlindoro: | or meTV! |
| [06:05:50] | wagnerrp: | or (list favorite v4l/dvb capable player here) |
| [06:05:54] | wagnerrp: | metv? |
| [06:06:02] | xtsuname: | tvtime doesn't produce sound |
| [06:06:05] | sphery: | or cron! |
| [06:06:06] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, yet another v4l/dvb player |
| [06:06:08] | xtsuname: | not sure how to use the rest |
| [06:06:16] | wagnerrp: | you are correct, tvtime doesnt do sound |
| [06:06:19] | iamlindoro: | xtsuname, In fairness, you're not sure how to use MythTV ;) |
| [06:06:28] | wagnerrp: | it expects your tuner card will handle pumping sound to the speakers |
| [06:06:29] | sphery: | xtsuname: if you're only doing LIveTV, MythTV is /definitely/ the wrong application |
| [06:06:30] | xtsuname: | yes |
| [06:06:35] | sphery: | MythTV is a bad choice for LiveTV |
| [06:06:40] | xtsuname: | I have no idea how to use mythtv |
| [06:06:53] | sphery: | You say, "Record every episode of Lost." and it does it. |
| [06:06:57] | michael__: | same thing, i did a chown michael:users * but it sill won't work http://pastebin.com/m1774e51d |
| [06:07:12] | iamlindoro: | so before you find out, if you don't want to pay the pittance that listings cost, you shoudl choose the right app for LiveTV |
| [06:07:14] | sphery: | Or "Record every episode of every show that stars Kenny Rogers." and it does it |
| [06:07:15] | xtsuname: | I want to use a program that can watch tv normally |
| [06:07:32] | sphery: | that would tv tvtime or ... |
| [06:07:37] | iamlindoro: | michael__, because whomever is running your backend is not that user, or not that group |
| [06:07:39] | iamlindoro: | or both |
| [06:07:44] | iamlindoro: | don't fire blindly |
| [06:08:06] | michael__: | i don't understand, do i have another user? |
| [06:08:10] | wagnerrp: | michael__: if you started mythbackend through your system's init scripts, it will almost certainly be running as mythtv or root |
| [06:08:21] | xtsuname: | sphery, any chance you can tell me how I can use another program that has sound to work? |
| [06:08:26] | wagnerrp: | michael__: you have DOZENS of active users on your system |
| [06:08:37] | iamlindoro: | michael__, You average linux distro has a couple dozen users |
| [06:08:46] | wagnerrp: | xtsuname: we are mythtv support, not 'another program' support |
| [06:09:03] | sphery: | michael__: pastebin: ls -ld /media{,/video{,/mythtv}} && ps -efw | grep mythback |
| [06:09:04] | xtsuname: | yeah, hence the "any chance" part |
| [06:09:54] | michael__: | suse:/media/video # ls -ld /media{,/video{,/mythtv}} && ps -efw | grep mythbackdrwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Dec 29 18:37 /media |
| [06:09:54] | michael__: | drwxr-xr-x 11 michael users 4096 Dec 25 11:58 /media/video |
| [06:09:54] | michael__: | drwxr-xr-x 2 michael users 12288 Dec 30 10:32 /media/video/mythtv |
| [06:09:54] | michael__: | 110 6208 1 0 16:53 ? 00:00:01 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [06:09:54] | michael__: | root 14262 13954 0 17:09 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mythback |
| [06:09:54] | michael__: | root 19142 13954 0 16:58 pts/0 00:00:00 vim mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [06:09:57] | sphery: | xtsuname: I'm sure that tvtime will produce audio if properly configured--I'm pretty sure at least some of its devs have sound cards and hearing |
| [06:10:05] | michael__: | http://pastebin.com/m2e67f8b4 |
| [06:10:08] | michael__: | oh my god |
| [06:10:09] | xtsuname: | oh well, I'll try my best then |
| [06:10:15] | xtsuname: | thank you for your help everyone |
| [06:10:18] | iamlindoro: | so much for that pastebin thing |
| [06:10:21] | sphery: | better late than never on the pastebin :) |
| [06:10:39] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure I agree |
| [06:10:44] | iamlindoro: | better never late |
| [06:10:46] | kormoc: | it's an extra line! |
| [06:10:48] | michael__: | i had it binned, i'm just really at the end of this i can't concentrate |
| [06:11:18] | sphery: | michael__: mythbackend is running as user 110, which is a user without a name on your system |
| [06:11:30] | sphery: | michael__: i.e. error in your mythbackend start script |
| [06:11:34] | iamlindoro: | SuSe+Myth triumphs again |
| [06:11:59] | michael__: | humm, so i need a user called "mythtv" and somehow get mythtv to use that too? |
| [06:12:00] | sphery: | I have no name! |
| [06:12:07] | wagnerrp: | i cant tell you how much ive struggled with suse at work |
| [06:12:12] | iamlindoro: | on a related note, You *really* shouldn't be running all this stuff as root |
| [06:12:14] | sphery: | (that's what your shell says if you log in as a user without a name :) |
| [06:12:24] | iamlindoro: | because you seem to be struggling with basic linux knowledge |
| [06:12:29] | iamlindoro: | and that is a recipe for disaster |
| [06:12:32] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt be 'vim'ing a log file either |
| [06:12:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: he's running as 110, which isn't 0 :) |
| [06:12:46] | waxhead: | michael__, if you're building a dedicated PVR use one of the disto builds that do it all for your, ie mythdora or mythbuntu.. so much simpler |
| [06:12:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, he's currently root |
| [06:13:00] | iamlindoro: | MBE is running as 100, he's root |
| [06:13:00] | sphery: | ah, that stuff... not mythbackend stuff |
| [06:13:04] | iamlindoro: | er 110 |
| [06:13:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: c'mon, 'w' is nowhere near 'i' |
| [06:13:10] | michael__: | itt's almost finished, i'm not turning back now |
| [06:13:28] | kormoc: | words of the doomed |
| [06:13:30] | waxhead: | michael__, do you have a mythtv user? |
| [06:13:34] | sphery: | w and i ? |
| [06:13:37] | michael__: | waxhead, no |
| [06:13:39] | wagnerrp: | michael__: better get out the hoverboard then |
| [06:13:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: iamlindoro made the comment about running as root |
| [06:14:09] | wagnerrp: | ABANDON TRAIN! |
| [06:14:09] | michael__: | waxhead, like i said, i'll just create the user... then chown it to that user... but i don't know how to get mythtv to use that user |
| [06:14:16] | iamlindoro: | easy |
| [06:14:19] | iamlindoro: | wrong course |
| [06:14:27] | iamlindoro: | creating a mythtv user is not going to help |
| [06:14:32] | iamlindoro: | you need to fix yout init script |
| [06:14:34] | iamlindoro: | your |
| [06:14:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, yeah, but he did so after you said something... sorry... I admit to being wrong, there... :( |
| [06:15:11] | ** sphery needs to run the irssi script that changes the color of every user's nick ** | |
| [06:15:29] | iamlindoro: | need to have the init script start the backend as a real user |
| [06:15:30] | sphery: | (but doing so would make my highlights stand out far less :( ) |
| [06:15:32] | waxhead: | man.. this wpa supplicant is just a pain |
| [06:15:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: then it gets even more confusing when you have two people of similar name length who get assigned the same color |
| [06:15:44] | sphery: | waxhead: true, that |
| [06:15:54] | michael__: | course of action? what do i have to change in the init script? |
| [06:16:15] | iamlindoro: | the part that defines the user it runs as |
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| [06:16:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: true... I'd have to modify it to factor in length when coloring--and since my term is only a 256-color term... |
| [06:16:34] | iamlindoro: | this is like asking us which word is misspelled in a book we haven't read |
| [06:17:02] | sphery: | michael__: look for some line with su or sudo or ksu or ... |
| [06:17:06] | michael__: | http://pastebin.com/m13950626 |
| [06:17:12] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: wasnt that one of the 'DRM' questions tetris used to ask you? |
| [06:17:38] | iamlindoro: | well there's a new one, they want to run the backend as use "mythbackend" |
| [06:17:43] | iamlindoro: | s/use/user/ |
| [06:17:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, heh |
| [06:17:56] | sphery: | michael__: I'd guess it's in /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend , but it may be breakage on lines 28 and/or 30 |
| [06:18:26] | iamlindoro: | That is a really horrible init script |
| [06:19:00] | waxhead: | sphery, I have to keep killing it to get decent ssh response... |
| [06:19:04] | waxhead: | it's nuts! |
| [06:19:12] | michael__: | sphery, it's empty /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend |
| [06:19:30] | waxhead: | specially since i have had to go back to using WEP as wpa was next to useless |
| [06:19:48] | michael__: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-12–30 10:32 mythbackend |
| [06:19:50] | sphery: | michael__: groups mythbackend |
| [06:20:03] | michael__: | mythbackend : video |
| [06:20:08] | waxhead: | michael__, given you've covered so much ground with myth, why not grab one of hte distos for myth? |
| [06:20:26] | wagnerrp: | apparently hes trying to learn suse for work |
| [06:20:27] | waxhead: | michael__, it's much simpler.. no mucking about with init scripts |
| [06:20:37] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, oh.. fair enough then.. :) |
| [06:20:45] | sphery: | michael__: then try: chown mythbackend:video /media/video/mythtv |
| [06:20:46] | michael__: | waxhead, i need the server to be based on SuSE |
| [06:21:08] | waxhead: | nothing like biting and chewing like hell |
| [06:21:25] | sphery: | though I agree that MythBuntu is the way to go--especially when just starting with Myth |
| [06:21:25] | wagnerrp: | at this point, it would probably be easier to do source install and write your own scripts |
| [06:21:44] | waxhead: | mythbuntu has been kind to me.. |
| [06:21:56] | michael__: | looks like it got a step further, "failed to reinitilize video output" |
| [06:22:07] | waxhead: | oh except for this no recording thing that I still haven't got worked out yet |
| [06:22:35] | iamlindoro: | don't cherry pick log output |
| [06:22:40] | iamlindoro: | logs |
| [06:22:45] | michael__: | http://pastebin.com/m351a5284 |
| [06:22:46] | sphery: | (to pastebin :) |
| [06:22:47] | iamlindoro: | to pastebins for real this time |
| [06:23:14] | iamlindoro: | OK, so your backend is recording properly |
| [06:23:24] | iamlindoro: | so you now have a playback issue on the frontend |
| [06:23:26] | sphery: | now the frontend log |
| [06:23:37] | iamlindoro: | sounds like broken or misconfigured playback profiles or drivers |
| [06:23:46] | sphery: | oh, and might as well mention that you probably need to change your playback profile group to Slim from CPU+ |
| [06:24:03] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Setting|Playback, 3rd screen |
| [06:24:06] | iamlindoro: | Sphery needs to stop ordering the options from right to wrong |
| [06:24:21] | michael__: | sphery, in the frontend? |
| [06:24:25] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [06:25:38] | sphery: | heh, I do part-time work for a company whose evaluation forms go from 4 ("smiley face"/best) to 0 ("frowny face"/worst) because some consultant said that if the person doing the evaluation sees the smiley face first, they're more likely to give a higher score |
| [06:25:53] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [06:26:07] | michael__: | IT WORKS!!! |
| [06:26:13] | michael__: | hell yeah!!! |
| [06:26:16] | sphery: | and probably 1/20 people do straight-line 0's with "I loved it..." because it's backwards from every other evaluation form in the world |
| [06:26:54] | michael__: | to everyone who helped: http://egg.org.au/gallery/d/935-1/You+Win+an+Internet.jpg |
| [06:27:00] | waxhead: | http://pastebin.com/mc05de6e |
| [06:27:19] | waxhead: | so we can see that the recording has started.. however no file will be created |
| [06:27:37] | sphery: | oooh, first time I've ever won an Internet... |
| [06:27:38] | sphery: | thanks |
| [06:27:45] | michael__: | you earned it |
| [06:27:50] | iamlindoro: | Everyone knows Myth refuses to put Howie Mandel on disk |
| [06:28:39] | michael__: | so until next time thanks for your help, this server is going in the other room |
| [06:28:44] | waxhead: | however when I delete all video devices and sources and start again, scanning fails... |
| [06:28:50] | sphery: | waxhead: if recording start/stop occur in the logs at the proper times and no errors are reported, but no file is written to disk, it means there are no errors |
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| [06:29:03] | sphery: | but there are also no data provided by the capture card for Myth to write to disk |
| [06:29:09] | sphery: | so it never writes anything to disk |
| [06:29:27] | waxhead: | right.. so there's a mixup with myth and the configuration with the capture card? |
| [06:29:31] | sphery: | meaning your capture cards are broken/misconfigured/mis-initialized |
| [06:29:46] | sphery: | or, with digital capture cards, your channels need rescanning |
| [06:30:09] | waxhead: | yeah I did that yesterday, but it doesn't find any channels... |
| [06:30:10] | iamlindoro: | the latter being the more likely case if nothing odd appears in dmesg |
| [06:30:31] | sphery: | specifically, there's a mixup with the capture card /outside of/ (underneath) Myth (at the system level) |
| [06:30:49] | sphery: | true, dmesg is a great way to find out what's up |
| [06:31:05] | sphery: | though you can also get errors in dmesg when you need to rescan channels |
| [06:31:24] | iamlindoro: | though generally informative ones |
| [06:31:31] | sphery: | so no errors is almost definitely that you need to rescan, errors could be any of the above |
| [06:31:44] | sphery: | and, yeah, the errors make it easier to track down which |
| [06:31:59] | waxhead: | dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m40413f15 |
| [06:32:22] | iamlindoro: | need a lot more of dmesg than that |
| [06:32:53] | waxhead: | ok.. I'll have to google for the scanning stuff.. I remember it was painful last time as I point to a different repeater... |
| [06:33:12] | waxhead: | iamlindoro, sure.. it's mostly full of wlan0 crap... |
| [06:33:59] | waxhead: | I'll have another look at this a bit later... going for a walk.. apparently high blood pressure isn't good for you.. can't figure why not.. get the blood aorund the body quicker.. :) |
| [06:35:55] | sphery: | the mt2060 is the tuner and you're getting I2C errors when the system tries to communicate with it |
| [06:36:03] | sphery: | so that would likely point to system-level problems |
| [06:36:08] | wagnerrp: | waxhead: no it doesnt, it just means you have high blood pressure |
| [06:36:24] | sphery: | though, as mentioned, "need a lot more of dmesg than that" to know for sure |
| [06:37:14] | wagnerrp: | the head pressure (systolic/diastolic) defines pump rate |
| [06:37:40] | sphery: | so when you have a pressure headache, your heart beats faster? |
| [06:37:43] | [R]: | once i went in for a physical |
| [06:37:47] | sphery: | :) |
| [06:37:49] | [R]: | and my blood pressure was a little high |
| [06:37:55] | [R]: | the hot chick asked if i was just nervous |
| [06:38:03] | [R]: | of course i wasn't gonna say it was because a hot chick was doing the measurement |
| [06:38:10] | wagnerrp: | wow... 500 error off arstechnica |
| [06:38:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, hope you didn't mind my mentioning that you'd answer questions for mythbuntu devs catching up their scripts to the new bindings. On the bright side, it sounds like they're rewriting them all, anyway, so the conversion is coming at a good time for them. |
| [06:38:53] | wagnerrp: | 'my heart is beating fast, i feel flushed, my stomache is aching, i dont know why' |
| [06:39:03] | wagnerrp: | no, not at all |
| [06:39:07] | kc: | sphery: I have a copy of the video that segfaults. Apparently most filebin sites don't like .mpg. |
| [06:39:09] | wagnerrp: | i expected i would be doing so anyway |
| [06:40:10] | kc: | sphery: if you want, pm me and I can tell you where I hosted it |
| [06:40:15] | wagnerrp: | im going to post to the -users list soliciting aid in the transition in the next few days |
| [06:40:22] | wagnerrp: | once i get the documentation up to date |
| [06:41:21] | sphery: | kc: I don't have vdpau (or any vdpau-capable cards), so I can't do a test |
| [06:41:47] | kc: | sphery: know of a place I can throw it so you can get it to a dev that can? |
| [06:41:49] | sphery: | If I can find someone who's willing to test it with trunk, I'll let you know. |
| [06:42:03] | sphery: | I'm not sure. |
| [06:42:05] | kc: | ok. sounds good. |
| [06:42:15] | [R]: | i was thinking about switching to trunk... does it still kill kittens? |
| [06:42:28] | sphery: | might be able to just change the extension and put it on a filebin |
| [06:43:07] | sphery: | [R]: only if you don't keep up with the -dev and -commits list--but if that's the case, it's not trunk that's killing them; it's you! |
| [06:43:15] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [06:43:21] | [R]: | but htey are so cute and furry |
| [06:43:30] | sphery: | has cheeseburger? |
| [06:43:38] | sphery: | or is that with a z? |
| [06:43:38] | wagnerrp: | good for setting off landmines too |
| [06:44:04] | [R]: | i think i'll keep it at 22 for now |
| [06:44:07] | [R]: | it "works" |
| [06:44:11] | [R]: | except for that bug in the scheduler |
| [06:44:12] | sphery: | The USAF had to stop using sheep for that because some animal rights activists complained. Therefore, little kids set them off. |
| [06:44:14] | [R]: | i need to track down |
| [06:44:31] | sphery: | which bug? |
| [06:44:43] | wagnerrp: | honestly, trunk has made no significant deviations from 0.22 |
| [06:44:46] | [R]: | when my backend is idle, it doesnt trigger an "im idle and going to shutdown" |
| [06:44:53] | sphery: | the "records 2 copies of a show that airs at the same time on 2 channels with different callsigns" |
| [06:45:10] | sphery: | ah, that's more likely a mythwelcome/mythshutdown bug than a scheduler bug |
| [06:45:24] | [R]: | i was looking throug the backend code |
| [06:45:29] | [R]: | and its not thinking its idle |
| [06:45:34] | [R]: | so its not calling mythshutdown |
| [06:46:34] | [R]: | it might have to do with the way the backend started... i'm not sure yet |
| [06:48:07] | [R]: | i really want to contribute atleaset 1 patch to myth one of these days |
| [06:48:21] | [R]: | i gave up on the channel browse icon thing |
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| [06:49:16] | sphery: | channel browse icon may be obe with the new osd, anyway |
| [06:49:23] | [R]: | obe |
| [06:49:27] | [R]: | omg, they say that at my work |
| [06:49:30] | sphery: | overcome by events |
| [06:50:01] | [R]: | sphery: i don't think so though... |
| [06:50:11] | [R]: | unless the guide icon code is getting refactored |
| [06:50:26] | sphery: | the entire OSD is getting ripped out |
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| [06:50:37] | sphery: | and the browse stuff is all OSD, not EPG |
| [06:50:53] | [R]: | yeah, but the code that makes it work right, is in a function in the guide code |
| [06:51:43] | sphery: | meaning that the guide code doesn't have a bug, but the osd does? |
| [06:51:57] | [R]: | yes |
| [06:51:58] | sphery: | if so, that's why replacing the osd might fix it |
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| [06:52:14] | sphery: | because the OSD will basically be rewritten from scratch |
| [06:52:19] | [R]: | its not the way the code is written |
| [06:52:34] | [R]: | it just pulls the icon path straight from the db |
| [06:52:42] | [R]: | which is wrong |
| [06:53:59] | sphery: | but the difference is the old OSD drew images directly. The new OSD will be mythui and mythui uses the image cache and the EPG uses the mythui image cache, so I'm thinking that when the OSD uses the same mythui image cache for its images, it will "just work" |
| [06:55:00] | [R]: | if you say so |
| [06:55:21] | sphery: | well, if nothing else, we can fix it after the new OSD is in place |
| [06:56:28] | [R]: | well hopefully tomorrow i'll have a big enough gap in my recordingds to debug this idle thing |
| [06:56:51] | [R]: | i'm getting restless not writing any code |
| [06:56:54] | [R]: | freakin week off work |
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| [07:24:28] | [R]: | THEY TOOK OUR JOBS! |
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| [07:30:58] | ** kormoc thins [R] needs some more meds ** | |
| [07:31:18] | [R]: | hahaa |
| [07:31:30] | [R]: | i think my tv isn't ceneterd |
| [07:31:31] | [R]: | FFS |
| [07:31:47] | wagnerrp: | ur a cenetard |
| [07:32:05] | [R]: | dare i ask the definition of that? |
| [07:32:16] | wagnerrp: | you said it |
| [07:32:26] | [R]: | there was no a in my word |
| [07:32:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah... well.... my font size is really small |
| [07:32:43] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:33:00] | [R]: | i need someone to move my tv while i'm sitting down so i can get it centered |
| [07:33:03] | wagnerrp: | 'e's and 'a's look similar, and when you type gibberish, theres no context |
| [07:33:04] | [R]: | maybe my couch isn't cenetered |
| [07:33:07] | [R]: | hrm |
| [07:33:16] | [R]: | i really need to learn to spell... centered |
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| [07:59:02] | lsolesen1: | I have genereated xmltv via tv_grab_dk_dr_2009. However, the encoding is wrong. Is there any way to remedy this? |
| [07:59:41] | deaman: | move to england? |
| [07:59:56] | [R]: | tv_grab_dk_dr_2009 doesnt' have to do with mythtv |
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| [08:13:53] | lsolesen1: | well, It is when I have imported the xmltv-stuff into mythtv I see that the encoding is wrong. |
| [08:14:49] | [R]: | well if the grabber was wrong |
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| [08:20:18] | oobe: | lsolesen1, try changeing ur bash profile to use UTF8 or whatever encoding you need |
| [08:20:35] | oobe: | i mean the ~/.bash_profile of the user that runs mythfilldatabase |
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| [08:22:57] | lsolesen1: | oobe: thanks. will try that |
| [08:26:26] | oobe: | fyi you need to logout the log back in after modifying the profile |
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| [08:30:14] | lsolesen1: | oobe: yes, however it runs as a cron-job. |
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| [08:32:28] | lsolesen1: | Also I did a scanall.sh to get all the tv-stations. I imported them into mythtv from this list: http://pastebin.com/m16e49256. However, some channels are not imported, for instance Charli, 2Film, TV3+. What can the explanation for this be? |
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| [09:11:59] | oobe: | lsolesen1, are you using analogue or dvb-t ? |
| [09:12:25] | oobe: | try changing the timeout delay on your tuners if it's dvb-t |
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| [09:21:27] | lsolesen: | oobe: I am using dvb-c |
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| [09:30:49] | GlemSom: | I'm reading the comments to this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7307 But, I'm a but unsure if I've understood the use of colorspace correctly... For HD channels, I should use 0, and for SD I should use 1? |
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| [09:48:44] | Dibblah: | Default should be OK. |
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| [09:49:14] | Dibblah: | Hrm. 1 is the default, so no. |
| [09:49:16] | Dibblah: | "n=0: will use BT709 for HD videos and BT601 for SD" |
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| [09:53:24] | loki_666: | hi |
| [09:53:45] | loki_666: | i'm having a strange issue with my dvb-c card (knc one) |
| [09:54:13] | loki_666: | i can scan the channels fine until i insert the cam in the CI |
| [09:54:27] | loki_666: | (with our without the paycard) |
| [09:54:43] | loki_666: | any idea |
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| [09:55:59] | loki_666: | well it actually seems to find the transponders freq, but is unable to find the channels on it |
| [09:56:29] | loki_666: | if i unplug the CAM, it works fine |
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| [12:50:37] | XLV: | http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3701 http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p . . . l-Categories i guess thats the only way to get h264/vc1 gpu acceleration in linux using ATI gpus.. it has also opensource drivers |
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| [13:36:01] | Hoxzer: | q |
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| [14:10:27] | Gorlist: | Afternoon, im abit stuck with scanning DVB channels. Im finding mythtv won't pick any up, and Kaffeine can if I use an offset of 167Khz – you can't export from Kaffeine over to myth? |
| [14:10:42] | Gorlist: | and other suggestion or program which allows an offset. w_scan only picks up a few channels |
| [14:13:13] | Hoxzer: | Gorlist: do you have channels.conf? |
| [14:13:39] | Gorlist: | I do but its missing most of them |
| [14:13:57] | Hoxzer: | Gorlist: well, you can import chanenls form the channels.conf but the EPG wont work |
| [14:14:00] | Gorlist: | I need to offset by 167Khz you see for it to work properly – and only Kaffiene can seem todo this? |
| [14:14:15] | Gorlist: | and you can't export over to a conf file can you? |
| [14:14:46] | Hoxzer: | never used kaffiene |
| [14:15:09] | Hoxzer: | but I used to prefer channels.conf until I started using over-the-air epg |
| [14:15:39] | Gorlist: | thats fine assuming you get the channels in the first place |
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| [14:16:31] | agris: | question: does yth tv support CAM (Conax, CAS 7) modules? |
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| [14:31:53] | MartinJT: | anyone had an issue with volume controls in MythTV opening a second OSD in the top right, that doesn't disappear? |
| [14:32:01] | MartinJT: | can't get rid of the damn thing! |
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| [15:06:15] | AndyCap: | agris: if your card has a CI slot it should work. |
| [15:06:48] | trumee: | guys, all the database encodings on my mysql server are utf8. do i need to worry about the 0.21 upgrade bug? |
| [15:07:47] | trumee: | Db characterset: utf8, Server characterset: utf8, Client characterset: utf8, Conn. characterset: utf8 |
| [15:07:58] | trumee: | are the above ok? |
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| [15:17:44] | agris: | AndyCap: okthanks, i'll try it |
| [15:17:55] | agris: | i mean , mythtv :) |
| [15:21:58] | skd5aner: | I'm looking for some advice on making clips from recordings... For example, I'd like to save certain segments from Saturday Night Live, and in each episode there may be more than 1 segment I'd like to save, but would like them to be individual clips/files for each segment |
| [15:23:47] | skd5aner: | I used to use nuvexport back in the day to export full episodes, but is there any way to make individual files from each cutlist segment without creating one, exporting, then deleting the first cutlist and creating a new one? |
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| [15:43:38] | MartinJT: | nm... solved it... |
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| [15:53:16] | AndyCap: | agris: the big question is if your card is supported in linux |
| [15:54:17] | agris: | that was the point i asked |
| [15:56:34] | AndyCap: | agris: no, your dvb card, not the CAM |
| [15:57:01] | agris: | AndyCap: it should when compiled -> kworld 380u |
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| [15:58:57] | AndyCap: | agris: that's a usb stick, with no CI slot. |
| [15:59:07] | agris: | yes |
| [15:59:24] | agris: | CI is other device |
| [15:59:45] | AndyCap: | and what tv card is that? |
| [16:00:09] | agris: | kworld 380u |
| [16:00:18] | AndyCap: | no, the one with the CI slot |
| [16:01:15] | agris: | on windows it shows anonymously pcmcia mtd-0002, but it should be conax cas-7 smit -cnx 2.1.0 |
| [16:02:44] | AndyCap: | I don't think you can get an external ci slot to work with linux |
| [16:02:55] | agris: | oh |
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| [16:05:35] | devinheitmueller: | It appears I was running late today. Waxhead's issue with the mt2060 i2c errors is probably he's got a Nova-T 500 and he needs to turn off the IR support, and xtsuname should probably be told that tvtime doesn't support ALSA audio. |
| [16:05:48] | ** devinheitmueller is mentioning this in case either of them read the channel logs. ** | |
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| [16:06:45] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: btw, is it accurate that no usb CI slots are supported? |
| [16:07:09] | devinheitmueller: | I don't think I know of any, but on the other hand I don't do anything with CI. |
| [16:07:29] | devinheitmueller: | (I'm just relaying what I heard from someone who almost certainly *is* familiar with the situation). |
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| [16:08:10] | devinheitmueller: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/CI |
| [16:10:22] | AndyCap: | thanks. hmm, theoretically it shouldn't be that different from an onboard CI? |
| [16:10:50] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: I wouldn't really want to speculate. I'm really not the person to talk to about CI. |
| [16:10:54] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: sorry. |
| [16:11:02] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, this is a pretty useless article: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA,_BTTV_and_MythTV_0.22 |
| [16:11:24] | devinheitmueller: | I love this little gem: "So back to MythTV' source code, I compared the ALSA input code with arecord's code and found that some initializations were done differently. I changed MythTV's ALSA input code to match and finally got it to capture audio from record_bt878." |
| [16:11:39] | devinheitmueller: | ... and then he doesn't actually tell anyone what he had to change in the code. |
| [16:11:46] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [16:12:15] | devinheitmueller: | Hey developers, I have this problem where my tuner XYZ doesn't work. I fixed it by looking at the code and changing it a bit. Now it works awesome! |
| [16:12:34] | AndyCap: | now you do it. |
| [16:12:37] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [16:12:38] | sid3windr: | I like the soldered audio cable though ;) |
| [16:12:57] | sid3windr: | NOTE: Both patchs can be found in the myth-dev mailing list, posted in December 2009. |
| [16:13:03] | sid3windr: | ... |
| [16:13:08] | AndyCap: | "able to record from all three cards simultaneously, with full PAL resolution, with 50 % usage on each CPU core. Not bad for 8-year old TV boards... " |
| [16:13:21] | AndyCap: | O_o yeah, dualcore but sticking with the BTTV. |
| [16:13:31] | devinheitmueller: | The other thing that this article has me wondering about – he says that you cannot do ALSA capture with MythTV in 0.22, but you certainly can. |
| [16:13:36] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: that's nice. |
| [16:14:09] | devinheitmueller: | (and in fact, with some framegrabbers that is your only option) |
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| [16:15:18] | AndyCap: | Maybe I should put my saa7134 back in. or not. |
| [16:15:27] | devinheitmueller: | I wonder which patches he's talking about. |
| [16:15:51] | devinheitmueller: | I really should work on getting my hands on an saa7134 board. |
| [16:16:16] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: are you sure? |
| [16:16:27] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: Am I sure about what? |
| [16:16:35] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: you want a saa7134? |
| [16:16:57] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: Yeah, it helps with regression testing when I make changes that effect common code. |
| [16:17:12] | devinheitmueller: | I've got at least one of all the other popular bridges. |
| [16:17:36] | AndyCap: | hm, I do have a cinergy 600 not doing much useful work here. |
| [16:17:48] | AndyCap: | not sure if it does ntsc though. |
| [16:17:50] | devinheitmueller: | ... and the tvtime audio stuff I'm testing would be good to try with the saa7134-alsa module (I'm already testing with em28xx, au0828, cx18, cx88, and cx23885) |
| [16:18:10] | devinheitmueller: | I'll stumble across one eventually. |
| [16:22:17] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: well, let me know if you want a cinergy 600 with one of these http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/datasheets/tuners/FM1216ME_MK3.pdf on it. |
| [16:22:40] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I am familiar with the FM1216ME (I did work on it for another product). |
| [16:22:45] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:ALSA_BTTV_MythTV_0.22_1.jpeg |
| [16:22:48] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [16:22:52] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: At this point, it's probably not worth the work to ship it to me. |
| [16:22:58] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: But I will keep it in mind. |
| [16:23:00] | devinheitmueller: | Thanks. |
| [16:23:41] | devinheitmueller: | If I start to run low on cards to test with, I might take you up on your offer. At this point though, I cannot keep up even with my current inventory. |
| [16:24:21] | devinheitmueller: | (for example, I've had an HVR-1800 for three months and only started debugging issues with it last night) |
| [16:25:01] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: On that note, someone asked me for "the email address of the guy who is working on the analog issues" last night |
| [16:25:10] | iamlindoro: | So I gave him your home address, e-mail, and cell phone number |
| [16:25:12] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [16:27:41] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: well, thank you. |
| [16:28:06] | iamlindoro: | heh... in all seriousness, I think he took offense when I wouldn't give up names and e-mail addresses |
| [16:28:17] | iamlindoro: | which is probably why he immediately came here and asked again |
| [16:28:22] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Oh, seriously? Which analog issue are you referring to? |
| [16:28:30] | sid3windr: | THE analog issues |
| [16:28:36] | devinheitmueller: | With the 1800? |
| [16:28:46] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: The HVR-1800 MythTV incompatibilities? |
| [16:28:50] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [16:29:00] | AndyCap: | no patch on the list with alsa, bttv, patch or record? heh |
| [16:29:15] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Yeah, well you can feel free do direct him to http://www.kernellabs.com |
| [16:29:28] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: Yeah, I looked and didn't see on either. |
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| [16:29:57] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: If he's got a commercial interest in seeing it work, we're happy to spend some time on it. Otherwise, he can wait until I goddam get around to it. |
| [16:30:14] | iamlindoro: | heh, yeah, I think it's more of a pedestrian/user interest |
| [16:30:24] | skd5aner: | I can't seem to get nuvexport to recognize any of the ffmpeg supported formats/codecs |
| [16:30:25] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I suspected as much. |
| [16:30:26] | AndyCap: | what would it take to have guido show up at micronas HQ? |
| [16:30:40] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: Oh don't get me started on Micronas. |
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| [16:31:03] | ** devinheitmueller thinks that AndyCap just brought up Micronas to make me angry. ** | |
| [16:31:18] | skd5aner: | anyone else able to use nuvexport with recent ffmpeg svn? |
| [16:31:34] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: didn't mean to raise your bloodpressure. Sorry. |
| [16:31:45] | devinheitmueller: | AndyCap: Heh, no problem. ;-) |
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| [16:32:01] | devinheitmueller: | It's just a month of my life I will never get back. |
| [16:32:03] | AndyCap: | I can see how that would be extremely frustraring |
| [16:32:07] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: nuvexport is meant to be paired with the ffmpeg revision as of its last update |
| [16:32:18] | iamlindoro: | which is most likely the last release of ffmpeg |
| [16:32:38] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I'll see if I can grab a copy from the last nuvexport date |
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| [16:33:45] | iamlindoro: | don't match dates, match the revision mentioned in the code/commit logs |
| [16:33:52] | iamlindoro: | which is again, 0.5, the last ffmpeg release |
| [16:35:41] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I know that in the code, there is some form of support for ffmpeg svn, because it'll parse that version numbering scheme and accept it, but I'll take a look at commits |
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| [16:37:02] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: It'll parse the numbers, that does not mean it supports ABI/API changes |
| [16:37:36] | iamlindoro: | But it really raises my blood pressure when people ask questions and want to argue about the answers, so you're on your own |
| [16:38:11] | skd5aner: | sorry – not arguing you on it |
| [16:38:34] | skd5aner: | was just stating that I was under an impression of some form of support post .5, doesn't mean that is accurate |
| [16:39:15] | iamlindoro: | There isn't. The commit/code you are looking at merely made it not fail outright with versions newer than 0.5 |
| [16:39:43] | iamlindoro: | Meaning it will give a best effort-- but for what I hope witll be the last time, the latest supported version is 0.5 |
| [16:40:06] | skd5aner: | I'll look at that version then |
| [16:43:10] | skd5aner: | btw – I wasn't arguing. It's a bit of a learning process for me, so I'm just talking things through so I can better understand. Please understand my intentions are good |
| [16:43:54] | sid3windr: | ~ oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood! |
| [16:45:55] | iamlindoro: | It's fine, just have to realize that free support is one things, but having to fight your way uphill to give it is no fun ;) |
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| [16:49:48] | skd5aner: | np – maybe I'll spend the next couple of weeks playing around to see if I can get it working with a current version of ffmpeg svn... been waiting 2+ years to export some stuff anyway, what's another couple of weeks at this point |
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| [16:55:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs at sid3windr (I thought the same thing!!!) ** | |
| [16:59:17] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [17:12:04] | node808: | my mythtv am not work |
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| [17:47:39] | nick_fn: | I'm using 0.22 – and since last night, the video playback isn't smooth. I upgraded a while ago, and it was fine until yesterday. Tried with VDPAU (I normally use that) and ffmpeg. mplayer is smooth, but mythtv plays at a variable rate – switching slowly between normal and 'too fast' |
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| [17:50:14] | nick_fn: | how might I start to find what is wrong here? I see Video timing method: USleep with busy wait in the frontend log, but that seems to have 'always' been the case |
| [17:56:02] | mchou: | nick_fn: you using slim playback profile? |
| [17:56:26] | nick_fn: | mchou, no I'm not. I tried with CPU++, and my own, which is only VDPAU. |
| [17:56:36] | mchou: | use slim |
| [17:56:41] | mchou: | end of story |
| [17:56:42] | nick_fn: | although I think I found the issue now, I'm just testing more. I think it was an audio-sync option... |
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| [17:58:56] | nick_fn: | mchou, Why do you recommend that? |
| [17:59:11] | nick_fn: | I've found the option that causes this trouble for me: It's the "use video as timebase" option. |
| [17:59:32] | nick_fn: | I'll look at my DB backups to see if that got turned on yesterday somehow. My wife? Unlikely though... |
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| [18:02:27] | andreax: | Idea why mythwelcome segfaults at last svn ? |
| [18:03:21] | skd5aner: | I know PaulH recently checked in something related to mythwelcome, don't know if that's the cause though |
| [18:06:00] | nick_fn: | going back at least a few weeks, I did have UseVideoTimebase set. Oh well, not sure why it started being a bad option for me now. |
| [18:06:40] | iamlindoro: | USe video as timebase is *never* a good option |
| [18:06:55] | iamlindoro: | the tooltip specifically explains that you shouldn't turn it on |
| [18:07:53] | AndyCap: | yet the option is there. :P |
| [18:08:22] | AndyCap: | "A sign lit up saying: Don't press this button again" |
| [18:08:27] | iamlindoro: | I guess if there's an option for something, that it's perfectly okay to flip it on and off? |
| [18:08:33] | nick_fn: | iamlindoro, yeah, I'm not sure why it was on :-) |
| [18:09:25] | nick_fn: | Looks like I've had it on since at least 2009-02–05 |
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| [18:10:50] | andreax: | sk5aner: Yeah i saw... Crazy thing is on one pc mythwelcome segfaults, on the other not... |
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| [18:33:38] | Hilikus: | what would happen if i restore mythconverg except program and credits? would myth not work? |
| [18:33:55] | Hilikus: | i don't see a point on backing up those tables, unless they just need to be there |
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| [18:41:02] | slayven: | guys, I messed up the screen resultion and I'm unable to resize it correctly with the screen setup wizard |
| [18:41:13] | slayven: | any idea where the resolution is stored in the db? |
| [18:41:26] | Hilikus: | slayven: i did that last week, change it in mythweb |
| [18:42:27] | Hilikus: | GuiHeight |
| [18:42:34] | Hilikus: | etc |
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| [18:44:45] | slayven: | Hilikus: can't find it |
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| [18:53:57] | Hilikus: | slayven: settings/mythtv |
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| [18:59:18] | slayven: | Hilikus: I swear to god, it wasn't there a minute before ;) |
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| [18:59:28] | slayven: | Hilikus: thanks mate, I've got it =) |
| [18:59:55] | Hilikus: | hehe |
| [18:59:57] | Hilikus: | np |
| [19:00:03] | Hilikus: | what would happen if i restore mythconverg except program and credits? would myth not work? |
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| [19:02:15] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: if you leave those tables empty, myth will be devoid of scheduling data |
| [19:02:23] | wagnerrp: | if you omit those tables entirely, myth will not function |
| [19:03:10] | Hilikus: | my concern is with other tables referencing entries in these 2 tables |
| [19:03:33] | Hilikus: | the tables by themselve i don't think are problematic |
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| [19:29:28] | sphery: | Hilikus: why would you do that? |
| [19:29:33] | sphery: | Hilikus: just do a full restore |
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| [19:30:13] | Hilikus: | sphery: there's no point on backing up program guide information |
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| [19:30:51] | sphery: | Hilikus: Myth will take care of it |
| [19:31:01] | sphery: | and it will take about 2MiB of space |
| [19:31:09] | sphery: | and about 300kB if you compress it |
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| [19:31:28] | sphery: | so the backup will be basically the same whether you back up those tables or not |
| [19:31:33] | ** devinheitmueller just discovered the Mythbuntu forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301 . I swear I would write a FAQ if I thought any of those people would actually read it. ** | |
| [19:31:43] | sphery: | Hilikus: I /highly/ recommend using http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [19:31:44] | devinheitmueller: | *painful* |
| [19:32:09] | sphery: | it will very carefully back up your entire mythtv database and then compress it and rotate backups (keeping the last 5 by default) |
| [19:32:29] | sphery: | if you've backed up everything you have many more options if things go wrong |
| [19:32:41] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Much more painful than the questions are the answers/"help" |
| [19:33:02] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that worries me too. There are way to many *wrong* answers given to questions. |
| [19:33:19] | AndyCap: | or in my case 32M compressed and 170M uncompressed. :P |
| [19:33:25] | sphery: | (OK, maybe it's actually about 10M uncompressed) |
| [19:33:44] | sphery: | AndyCap: I'lll bet money your program and credits tables aren't 32M and 170M |
| [19:33:59] | sphery: | your whole DB, perhaps |
| [19:34:02] | AndyCap: | sphery: nah, I think the bulk is oldrecorded? and music |
| [19:34:09] | sphery: | but the difference between that and one without program and credits is negligible |
| [19:34:37] | AndyCap: | quite likely. but I'm not going to learn enought mysql to find out right now. |
| [19:34:54] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: by FAR the bulk of the data is in recordedmarkup and filemarkup |
| [19:35:03] | sphery: | and the fact that a 170MB uncompressed backup compresses to 32MB using gzip (/very/ fast compression) further proves that saving the space on program and credits is useless |
| [19:35:26] | wagnerrp: | youre maybe two entries per second of recorded video in those tables |
| [19:35:30] | sphery: | oldrecorded is probably tiny |
| [19:36:08] | sphery: | After almost 6 years of heavy Myth usage my oldrecorded data is 2.5MB and the index is 1.2MB |
| [19:36:25] | sphery: | from MythWeb statistics: Number of shows: 1063 |
| [19:36:29] | sphery: | Number of episodes: 10159 |
| [19:36:39] | wagnerrp: | with a meager 100 recordings at an hour each, youre talking 3/4 of a million entries in recordedmarkup |
| [19:36:55] | ** sphery doesn't have that many capture cards :) ** | |
| [19:37:13] | sphery: | like wagnerrp said, it's recordedseek and filemarkup that are big |
| [19:37:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, seek... my mistake |
| [19:37:27] | sphery: | (used to be recordedmarkup, but the seektable got moved to a separate table) |
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| [19:37:53] | kormoc: | SHOW TABLE STATUS LIKE 'program'\G SHOW TABLE STATUS LIKE 'credits'\G |
| [19:37:53] | wagnerrp: | the real issue with those tables is that they are nice compact integer values, being expanded out to strings |
| [19:38:32] | sphery: | kormoc: oh... Max_data_length: 5066549580791807 |
| [19:38:41] | sphery: | look how much space I'll save not backing that up :) |
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| [19:38:53] | kormoc: | program here is 95664 rows using 20503016 bytes with 15861760 in indexes, credits is 375122 rows, 7016472 bytes with 17302528 indexes |
| [19:39:09] | kormoc: | but that said, you're not backing up indexes anyway, so they're a mote number ;) |
| [19:39:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what? you can have like 25x more data than i can |
| [19:39:11] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [19:39:13] | sphery: | That's 4.5PB |
| [19:39:18] | sphery: | er, PiB |
| [19:39:31] | wagnerrp: | pebibibibibytes |
| [19:39:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm using the MySQL "medium" setup |
| [19:39:37] | sphery: | you're probably using "small" |
| [19:39:58] | kormoc: | shouldn't matter |
| [19:40:11] | kormoc: | max data size depends on filesystem limits and what else is using what else |
| [19:40:20] | kormoc: | it's really a meaningless number until you get close |
| [19:40:31] | wagnerrp: | im using the 'i ran "cd /usr/ports/database/mysql51; make install clean" like four years ago' setup |
| [19:41:05] | sphery: | ahhh, then I'm running a real filesystem |
| [19:41:08] | sphery: | ext3 ftw! |
| [19:41:24] | wagnerrp: | you would think ZFS would manage better than ext3 |
| [19:41:34] | wagnerrp: | zettabytes my ass |
| [19:41:36] | AndyCap: | recordedseek, 106M |
| [19:41:43] | sphery: | though it's on a 16GB partition, so I'd be /very/ impressed if it actually achieves that size :) |
| [19:41:46] | kormoc: | mysql never really was updated to work with ZFS correctly |
| [19:41:56] | wagnerrp: | or would that be zebibibibibibibytes? |
| [19:42:22] | AndyCap: | so, when will Larry Ellison buy out mythtv? :P |
| [19:42:37] | sphery: | Whas iz wrong with Z file zyztem? It iz not working with MyZQL. |
| [19:43:12] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: when we all revert back to using the mythtv fork written in perl |
| [19:43:14] | AndyCap: | it needz a zillion bytez of ramz |
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| [19:44:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wouldn't he want it to be written in PL/SQL? |
| [19:45:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | How about BASIC? ;-) hehehehehe |
| [19:45:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did that perl script on the ML post use SQL? |
| [19:45:38] | sphery: | heh... GW BASIC, at least. Not this MS BASIC stuff |
| [19:45:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: all flat files |
| [19:45:48] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: no sql, no xml, no bloat? |
| [19:45:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I was going to add "GWBasic, that is..." hehehe... |
| [19:46:00] | AndyCap: | no nothing really. :) |
| [19:46:11] | wagnerrp: | it ran a webpage with no sql? funky... |
| [19:46:20] | AndyCap: | ROMBASIC. |
| [19:46:25] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [19:46:39] | AndyCap: | pff, it's not that hard to do it with files. |
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| [19:46:51] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: ++ , I can respect a man with good taste in BASIC |
| [19:47:14] | AndyCap: | of course if you start making your own rdbms in perl you're probably wasting time |
| [19:47:20] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: not hard, but sure is cludgy |
| [19:47:37] | wagnerrp: | especially when you want external programs managing those same files |
| [19:47:41] | AndyCap: | orly? |
| [19:47:45] | sphery: | "Instead of XML the program guide information is in simple column-delimited format, with first line being the column definitions. Times are in UTC. That is all that is needed." |
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| [19:47:55] | sphery: | sounds like I now need to send the UTC whiners his way. |
| [19:47:55] | AndyCap: | sphery: of course. :) |
| [19:48:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hehehe... yep. That was/is an annoying thread... |
| [19:48:41] | wagnerrp: | so he decided XMLTV was worthless, and he was writing his own grabbers? |
| [19:48:46] | Hilikus: | sphery: what will mythconverg_backup.pl that a normal mysqldump won't give me?? |
| [19:49:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: NIH and KISS go hand in hand , right? |
| [19:49:12] | wagnerrp: | damn you mediawiki and your garish session timeouts |
| [19:49:53] | AndyCap: | Hilikus: automation? |
| [19:49:55] | Hilikus: | i already have a cron job to dump all my databases (including mythconverg) and im trying to determine if its worth it to exclude mythconverg from my own backup and leave it to the myth script |
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| [19:50:32] | wagnerrp: | the myth script should be able to use any proper database dump, shouldnt it? |
| [19:50:35] | kormoc: | Hilikus: personally, I do both |
| [19:50:56] | Hilikus: | kormoc: why? |
| [19:51:14] | kormoc: | Hilikus: as myth's backup runs right before schema updates, which is really nice, but I also want to be able to do full db restores if needed via my own backups |
| [19:51:25] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: why not, its not like 30MB is going to be much in the grand scheme of things |
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| [19:51:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the Myth restore script? If so, yes. |
| [19:51:53] | trumee: | anybody knows what mythweb is talking about "Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (t). Please update your <a href="http://192.168.1.3/mythweb/settings/mythweb&q . . . gs</a> to point to the correct location." |
| [19:51:54] | XLV: | http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3701 http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p . . . l-Categories anyone ever used on of those? it has opensource drivers too |
| [19:52:23] | wagnerrp: | trumee: it means you have not set up mythvideo on the machine running mythweb |
| [19:52:33] | Hilikus: | its not the space. its the complexity and memorization of having two dumps of the same thing in 2 different places and having to remember why are there two and which one to use and all that. i like to keep my systems as simple as possible |
| [19:52:35] | wagnerrp: | trumee: are you using storage groups in mythvideo? |
| [19:52:38] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: |
| [19:52:38] | iamlindoro: | XLV: Those drivers were largely authored by a Myth dev, so yes, "someone" has used one |
| [19:53:05] | iamlindoro: | XLV: Irrelevant for myth purposes currently, since someone would need to write a Myth video output for it, though |
| [19:53:05] | kormoc: | Hilikus: if a schema update goes bonkers, use myth's, if the database goes bonkers, use the system backup, seems simple enough |
| [19:53:23] | sphery: | Hilikus: automation + reads configuration from your Myth config (for database info) + takes lessons learned from when people misuse backups (i.e. the recent --add-drop-table addition or whatever it is) + labels backups with myth DB schema version and date/time |
| [19:53:28] | trumee: | wagnerrp, no i am not using storage groups for mythvideo |
| [19:53:42] | XLV: | iamlindoro, nice, nonetheless |
| [19:53:48] | trumee: | wagnerrp, mythweb and backend are on the same system. |
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| [19:53:53] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: although considering hes got like half a dozen of those cards, i imagine hes motivated to write a myth video output for it |
| [19:53:57] | sphery: | but the main reason it's there is because it provides a means for Myth to automatically back up the DB before an upgrade |
| [19:54:02] | wagnerrp: | trumee: have you set up mythvideo on the backend then? |
| [19:54:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Last I heard it was low on his list of priorities, but we shall see I hope/suppose |
| [19:54:23] | wagnerrp: | now that the drivers are actually available anyway.... |
| [19:54:26] | Hilikus: | sphery: yes, for updates its there and its useful, im talking about scheduled backups though |
| [19:54:30] | sphery: | and, like kormoc mentioned, the myth script only does the Myth DB. If you have other DB's on the DBMS, you need to back them up |
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| [19:54:59] | Hilikus: | the schema version seems like an important piece of info |
| [19:55:00] | trumee: | wagnerrp, yes i do have mythvideo setup on the backend. |
| [19:55:11] | sphery: | I like it because I can just run mythconverg_backup.pl and it does the right thing and I never have to worry about rotating backups or doing evil things like putting passwords in crontabs or ... |
| [19:55:23] | trumee: | wagnerrp, the videos play fine on my common FE/BE |
| [19:55:26] | wagnerrp: | trumee: obviously not, since its giving you that error that you have never set the VideoArtworkDir on that hostname |
| [19:55:46] | Hilikus: | sphery: i see |
| [19:55:56] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Are you using trunk? |
| [19:56:00] | wagnerrp: | er... VideoStartupDir |
| [19:56:37] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Trunk MythWeb *only* supports video storage groups. |
| [19:56:45] | sphery: | Hilikus: either way works, though--as long as you do a proper backup. I /highly/ recommend doing a complete backup and compressing with gzip. See, also, http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/DatabaseB . . . ression.html for info on compression. |
| [19:56:51] | trumee: | iamlindoro, no i am using 0.22 fixes |
| [19:56:59] | ** sphery should move that to the Myth wiki and reference it in the wiki's Backup/Restore page ** | |
| [19:57:18] | trumee: | wagnerrp, where do i set VideoStartupDir? |
| [19:57:47] | wagnerrp: | either by running mythfrontend on that hostname and setting it, or by following the link it gave you and setting it |
| [19:58:20] | Hilikus: | sphery: interesting.. |
| [19:58:21] | trumee: | wagnerrp, i am able to play the videos fine on this FE. |
| [19:58:30] | Hilikus: | i'll use gzip i guess |
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| [19:59:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp, the VideoStartupDir: is correctly setup as well |
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| [19:59:53] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how long it will be before people want to swap out the wireless card on their ZOTACs for a CrystalHD card |
| [20:00:13] | sphery: | CrystalHD + VDPAU? |
| [20:00:20] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heh, VDPAU + CrystalHD for MOAR DECODE? |
| [20:00:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:00:34] | iamlindoro: | and there sphery goes reversing the order of things again |
| [20:00:46] | sphery: | doesn't crystal work like the PVR-350, though (it's own video out)? |
| [20:00:51] | sphery: | s/it's/its/ |
| [20:00:58] | iamlindoro: | sphery is my brotha from anotha motha |
| [20:01:05] | iamlindoro: | sphery: no |
| [20:01:05] | sphery: | a backwards motha |
| [20:01:18] | sphery: | so it just decodes and drops the frames into RAM? |
| [20:01:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: well i guess its a good thing i dont have a wireless card in mine! |
| [20:01:22] | iamlindoro: | decodes and pushes it back for output |
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| [20:01:29] | trumee: | another q. are the following mysql settings ok, Db characterset: utf8, Server characterset: utf8, Client characterset: utf8, Conn. characterset: utf8 |
| [20:01:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yep, you DMA the frames out |
| [20:01:33] | sphery: | can it use Xv? |
| [20:01:48] | AndyCap: | could it get a va-api or vdpau backend? |
| [20:01:52] | trumee: | all the encodings are in utf8. is that ok for 0.22? |
| [20:01:54] | sphery: | trumee: only /after/ your database is upgraded to 0.22 |
| [20:02:00] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: No |
| [20:02:03] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: well you know... VDPAU only supports one decode stream |
| [20:02:06] | trumee: | sphery, this is a fresh install |
| [20:02:11] | [R]: | wagnerrp: no |
| [20:02:13] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: not as of the latest driver |
| [20:02:14] | wagnerrp: | so how else are you going to manage picture-in-picture |
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| [20:02:21] | sphery: | trumee: if you /ever/ ran with any of those set to UTF-8 in 0.21-fixes, you'd have problems |
| [20:02:27] | wagnerrp: | man... i really need to pay attention more |
| [20:02:31] | sphery: | so sounds like you're good--if it's a brand new install it's fine |
| [20:02:40] | ** sphery guesses you're using Gentoo ** | |
| [20:02:51] | trumee: | sphery, no this is 0.22 from start |
| [20:03:01] | sphery: | which distro |
| [20:03:09] | trumee: | sphery, no this is suse 11.2 actually |
| [20:03:16] | sphery: | ahhh... interesting |
| [20:03:35] | trumee: | i wiped gentoo on this box and installed suse today :) |
| [20:03:46] | sphery: | they must have just changed MySQL's default charset to UTF-8--pretty sure older versions of suse were using latin1 |
| [20:03:54] | _abbenormal: | hey guys is there a place with different remote files to test for mce style remote or am i better off just doing a custom button layout |
| [20:03:59] | sphery: | (like MySQL uses latin1 by default) |
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| [20:04:23] | trumee: | _abbenormal, look for remotes folder in lirc tr ball |
| [20:04:25] | sphery: | regardless of what users of a certain distro say about MySQL changing the default |
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| [20:07:21] | _abbenormal: | i have one working but it doesnt function like i would like it to like hold down the channel up or down and have it scroll thru now it only does one channel at a time |
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| [20:08:27] | _abbenormal: | i just thought maybe some has done it all ready so i didnt have to waste time on it |
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| [20:14:52] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so is he not going to ask in the proper channel? |
| [20:15:17] | iamlindoro: | Only time will tell... |
| [20:15:24] | naranco: | seems mythtv doesnt allow for on the fly transcoding that is shared out via dlna/upnp. can anyone suggest a alternative solution? |
| [20:15:30] | kormoc: | tick... tock... tick... tock... |
| [20:15:50] | kormoc: | that mode depends on the specific device |
| [20:15:52] | _abbenormal: | me |
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| [20:16:42] | wagnerrp: | naranco: the two i know of off hand are fuppes and mediatomb |
| [20:17:47] | wagnerrp: | neither of which know how to use the myth database, so they should be used in combination with mythrename.pl |
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| [20:18:19] | naranco: | silly question maybe wagnerrp, but what does mythrename.pl do? |
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| [20:18:50] | wagnerrp: | it should only be run with the '--link' option, to create symlinks rather than actually renaming files |
| [20:19:07] | wagnerrp: | but it will create links to the recorded files using a format of your choosing |
| [20:19:24] | wagnerrp: | using the information provided by the database |
| [20:21:18] | sphery: | _abbenormal: sounds like you just need to add a repeat = <non-zero-value> to the clause for the chanup/chandown buttons |
| [20:21:43] | sphery: | in your .lircrc or lircrc, that is |
| [20:22:44] | _abbenormal: | yuppie thats it |
| [20:22:47] | _abbenormal: | thanks |
| [20:23:09] | skd5aner: | hmm, I'm having a problem where mythtranscode won't find a recording when using the -c and -s options |
| [20:23:39] | naranco: | thx wagnerrp |
| [20:23:46] | skd5aner: | however, if I use the -i it works – but the recording is in the DB, and unfortunatly mythtranscode doesn't honorcutlist with the -i option |
| [20:24:31] | skd5aner: | "Couldn't find recording for chanid 4201 @ 20081018233000" |
| [20:25:00] | skd5aner: | mythtranscode --mpeg2 --honorcutlist -c 4201 -s 20081018233000 -o /mythtv/media2/videos2/test-test.mpeg |
| [20:25:23] | sphery: | use mythtranscode through the GUI, perhaps? |
| [20:26:01] | sphery: | i.e. select recording, INFO|Job Options|Transcode|<select transcode profile> or just hit X during playback |
| [20:26:08] | skd5aner: | well, I would love to do that, but I'm actually trying to use a custom user job script, and need to troubleshoot from the cli |
| [20:26:35] | sphery: | my guess is you need to check the format of the starttime |
| [20:26:47] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, that was my though too |
| [20:26:50] | sphery: | and user jobs can expand out chanid and starttime for you (to the right format) |
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| [20:27:13] | skd5aner: | yup – but it's not working from the GUI even though I've told it to pass the correct variables |
| [20:27:50] | skd5aner: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
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| [20:28:02] | sphery: | mythtranscode only works with local files, too, so you can only run the job on a backend that has access to the file system with the recording |
| [20:28:13] | skd5aner: | that's the script, which is a modified version of this one: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
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| [20:28:31] | skd5aner: | yup – running on the master backend which has the disks mounted locally |
| [20:29:25] | skd5aner: | but, I'm trying to break it down first – to make sure it runs simply from the command line first |
| [20:29:31] | skd5aner: | I've tried 2 formats, based on the wiki: |
| [20:29:56] | skd5aner: | 20081018233000 and 2008-10-18-23-30–00 |
| [20:33:42] | sphery: | try 2008-10–18T23:30:00 |
| [20:34:20] | mag0o: | ooo, i remember doing something with myth and needed that big ol' T in the timestamp |
| [20:34:24] | mag0o: | forget what it was |
| [20:35:30] | skd5aner: | Couldn't find recording for chanid 4201 @ 2008-10–18T23:30:00 |
| [20:36:08] | sphery: | The T is the ISO 8601 format, which is used a lot in Qt |
| [20:36:53] | sphery: | I haven't looked at the code, though (or the --help output)--either of which would likely be better than just guessing :) |
| [20:37:28] | skd5aner: | --starttime or -s: Takes a starttime for the |
| [20:37:28] | skd5aner: | recording. REQUIRED |
| [20:37:36] | skd5aner: | no qualifier on format :( |
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| [20:38:13] | skd5aner: | the wiki for mythtranscode shows a couple different formats in the examples: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode |
| [20:38:51] | sphery: | :( |
| [20:41:47] | skd5aner: | Also, the user jobs docs say that %STARTTIME% is passed as this: %STARTTIME% In the format yyyyMMddhhmmss |
| [20:42:14] | skd5aner: | this alos this: %STARTTIMEISO% which is slightly different |
| [20:43:12] | skd5aner: | Couldn't find recording for chanid 4201 @ 2008-10–18 23:30:00 |
| [20:43:16] | skd5aner: | hrmmmmm |
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| [20:46:30] | skd5aner: | I'm wondering if there's anything else I could possibly be doing wrong here... it seems the variables are so specific, and I'm just copying them from the row of the recorded program |
| [20:46:46] | skd5aner: | I don't see how it could be messed up other than formatting |
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| [20:47:28] | skd5aner: | I suppose I could try one more time, except let myth pass those variables |
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| [20:59:48] | skd5aner: | no dice |
| [21:00:22] | skd5aner: | I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that this recording was recorded prior to a channel lineup change and I no longer have this particular channel anymore |
| [21:00:55] | skd5aner: | let's see if I can run it on a new recording |
| [21:01:53] | skd5aner: | same result |
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| [21:20:14] | br14: | hello |
| [21:23:46] | skd5aner: | found the issue, the starttime in recorded is different than recordedprogram and I had them mixed up |
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| [21:26:25] | sphery: | skd5aner: ah, yeah, startting in recordedprogram is progstart (when the program started) not recording starttime (when the recording started) |
| [21:26:44] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [21:27:05] | skd5aner: | well, I'm still having a problem getting the script to work through the UI, but let's see if I can get there |
| [21:27:47] | skd5aner: | I'm NOT good with regular expressions, but this is what the script already had in it to parse the STARTTIME variable that is passed, does it look correct? STARTTIME=`echo $4 | sed -e 's/\([0–9]\{4\}\)\([0–9]\{2\}\)\([0–9]\{2\}\)\([0–9]\{2\ }\)\([0–9]\{2\}\)/\1\2\3\4\5/'` |
| [21:28:15] | wagnerrp: | oh the pain.... |
| [21:28:25] | skd5aner: | hahaha – I didn't write it |
| [21:29:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont get it, youre processing the string, and then printing it right back out? |
| [21:29:03] | skd5aner: | in fact, I doubt it's needed – but was curious what the regex does? |
| [21:29:05] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt make sense |
| [21:29:22] | wagnerrp: | it splits out groups of digits in lengths of 4,2,2,2,2 |
| [21:29:25] | Dagmar: | It's the most hardheaded way of removing dashes ever invented |
| [21:29:26] | skd5aner: | again – *I'm* not – it was what someone else did in a script that I'm trying to use |
| [21:29:35] | wagnerrp: | and then backreferences them right back together |
| [21:29:39] | skd5aner: | that's why I'm asking why it's there to begin with |
| [21:29:54] | Dagmar: | Oh wait, it doesn't remove dashes |
| [21:30:03] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Talk:Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
| [21:30:05] | Dagmar: | THis is why you don't cut and paste things you see on the internet unless you understand them |
| [21:30:14] | wagnerrp: | no, it just replaces the starttime... with itself |
| [21:30:20] | Dagmar: | Sometimes these things are written by complete idiots |
| [21:30:22] | skd5aner: | Dagmar: hence my question |
| [21:30:44] | wagnerrp: | oh... its ADDING dashes |
| [21:30:56] | wagnerrp: | when you pasted it in, you left out the dashes in the backreference |
| [21:31:17] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [21:31:34] | Dagmar: | I was going to say... where the heck in "\1\2\3\4\5" are you seeing dashes |
| [21:32:07] | skd5aner: | ah yes – I see now |
| [21:32:32] | skd5aner: | copied from here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [21:32:32] | skd5aner: | that's the difference |
| [21:33:08] | skd5aner: | and wouldn't make sense that way, of course from what I've tested with mythtranscode via the command line, the dashes are unncessary anyway |
| [21:33:11] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, you dont need the dashes |
| [21:33:21] | wagnerrp: | you certainly dont give it dashes when you run mythcommflag |
| [21:33:22] | skd5aner: | agreed |
| [21:33:32] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine mythtranscode takes a different starttime format |
| [21:33:35] | skd5aner: | yea – not going to run mythcommflag, only want to use cutlists |
| [21:33:54] | wagnerrp: | so why are you tinkering with this at all? |
| [21:34:12] | wagnerrp: | you generally shouldnt be running mythtranscode from the command line |
| [21:34:18] | wagnerrp: | youre supposed to call it through jobqueue |
| [21:34:18] | skd5aner: | nope – just ran it from the command line, it uses yyyyMMddhhmmss |
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| [21:34:25] | wagnerrp: | just set up the profile to do lossless cutting |
| [21:34:34] | waxhead_: | mroning |
| [21:34:47] | wagnerrp: | you and your gibberish again |
| [21:35:02] | mag0o: | doog mroning to you too |
| [21:35:08] | waxhead_: | looks like I've found where things have been causing me problems |
| [21:35:10] | skd5aner: | haha |
| [21:35:29] | waxhead_: | yeah yeah.. spelling pedants are just fuckwits with a key board |
| [21:35:39] | mag0o: | *keyboard |
| [21:35:59] | iamlindoro: | waxhead_: watch your language |
| [21:36:38] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: the builtin profile would be just about right, except for a couple things – I want to make multiple clips from a recording, I want to keep a copy in mythvideo, and I don't want to modify/delete the original yet |
| [21:36:50] | iamlindoro: | If I have to watch mine, everyone else gets to watch theirs-- and no more once-daily "I forgot"s |
| [21:36:56] | wagnerrp: | there should be an option not to delete the original |
| [21:37:08] | iamlindoro: | The worst offenders in the behavior/language rules are people who have been here long enough to know better |
| [21:37:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: does it create a duplicate in the watch recordings menu? |
| [21:37:26] | iamlindoro: | So how about this, everyone from now on violating the profanity rule gets one lifetime warning, then gets quieted |
| [21:37:33] | wagnerrp: | dont know, but i thought there was a checkbox to not overwrite the old recording |
| [21:38:03] | waxhead_: | that's fair.. I just came by to say that I found the source my problems and to thank a few people for their patience and I get pounced on with mroning.. |
| [21:38:04] | skd5aner: | I seem to recall that as well, but my assumption (yes – I know that's a bad thing) was that it doesn't do much in terms of exporting that copy |
| [21:38:21] | skd5aner: | Who is Mr. Oning? |
| [21:38:24] | wagnerrp: | that wasnt a pounce, that was a friendly mocking |
| [21:38:26] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [21:38:50] | waxhead_: | wagnerrp, sorry.. maybe I'm a bit sensitive with all the hassles... |
| [21:39:06] | waxhead_: | please accept my apologies... |
| [21:39:41] | skd5aner: | brb |
| [21:39:51] | sphery: | skd5aner: that's on the books (though it will be a different, and more flexible, implementation of that patch): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6376 |
| [21:40:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont need to be apologized to... not my channel rules |
| [21:40:23] | waxhead_: | anyway it turns out I'd forgotten about the module options I needed to set for the turner cards... now I can scan for channels, which should mean I can reset all the channel stuff in myth leading to successful recordings |
| [21:42:08] | sphery: | waxhead_: great way to reset the channel stuff is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [21:42:21] | sphery: | do both the capture card and video source portions since you had broken capture cards before |
| [21:42:37] | sphery: | key: "Delete all" (and not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>" |
| [21:42:51] | waxhead_: | sphery, awesome thanks.. I was trying to find that link on google.. wasn't succeeding |
| [21:43:09] | mag0o: | mythtv-users archives to gossamer and sphery |
| [21:43:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:43:46] | sphery: | that one's easy--as I wrote it |
| [21:44:01] | sphery: | (and I quote it so often it's high on my Firefox history) |
| [21:44:26] | sphery: | funny enough, it's not on the Most Visited, though |
| [21:44:38] | sphery: | (but gossamer's advanced search is :) |
| [21:45:16] | mag0o: | sphery: thanks for the irssi script that draws the line for scrollback (forget what it's called) |
| [21:46:08] | sphery: | trackbar.pl :) |
| [21:46:12] | sphery: | Much easier with it |
| [21:46:35] | sphery: | I need to send the updates to irssi since the author never responded/got the e-mail/whatever |
| [21:47:14] | mag0o: | heah, that one |
| [21:50:26] | sphery: | still need to add the code to put a mark at a random point in the conversation, though |
| [21:50:50] | mag0o: | ? |
| [21:51:09] | mag0o: | what for |
| [21:52:01] | sphery: | basically so that if I switch to #mythtv and start reading, but then find out that there's a very long conversation that's taking more time to read than I have, I can mark at the point I stop reading and go to another window |
| [21:52:28] | mag0o: | ahhh, *that* would be useful |
| [21:52:59] | ** wagnerrp mumbles about chat clients that do that by default ** | |
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| [21:53:30] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [21:53:45] | waxhead_: | ok dumb question time, do I have to scan for channels for each input, or only the once? |
| [21:53:55] | wagnerrp: | not each input, but each source |
| [21:53:56] | waxhead_: | why would it find 50 new conflicting channels? |
| [21:53:57] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o gbee | |
| [21:54:04] | wagnerrp: | the channels are bound to a specific source |
| [21:54:15] | wagnerrp: | and the sources can then be mapped to multiple inputs |
| [21:54:22] | gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust348.leic.cable.ntl.com changes topic to .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. Play Nice .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.22 .:. Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ .:. US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ .:. | |
| [21:54:28] | sphery: | waxhead_: once per video source |
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| [21:54:57] | sphery: | the conflicting new channels are a bug, but how to deal with it is left as an exercise to the reader |
| [21:54:58] | waxhead_: | cool... it's been a while since I've done this |
| [21:55:28] | waxhead_: | sphery, serious? could I just truncate a table ? |
| [21:55:38] | wagnerrp: | actually a bug? or just no one has written anything to automagically handle them in the scanner? |
| [21:55:44] | sphery: | waxhead_: no need to truncate tables... |
| [21:55:47] | sphery: | just handle them |
| [21:55:52] | sphery: | go through them and decide what's happening |
| [21:55:57] | sphery: | then tell it what to do |
| [21:56:12] | sphery: | i.e. if you look at the first and it's a dup of another channel, then just tell it not to insert it |
| [21:56:21] | waxhead_: | it wants unique channel numbers |
| [21:56:23] | sphery: | or tell it to insert all, then go to the channel editor and delete the dups |
| [21:56:30] | waxhead_: | ok |
| [21:56:49] | sphery: | basically until the channel scanner is complete, you'll have issues |
| [21:57:08] | sphery: | but on the bright side, getting 50 conflicting channels is /much/ better than getting nothing on your scan :) |
| [21:57:25] | waxhead_: | yeah... tis bright indeed |
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| [21:59:54] | sphery: | wow, my mythtv-dev folder has more unread messages than my mythtv-users folder... |
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| [22:00:26] | wagnerrp: | thats because -dev tends to have a higher noise level than -users |
| [22:00:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:00:43] | sphery: | it does thanks to one recent thread :) |
| [22:01:01] | sphery: | (not complaining--just noticing a lot of replied to that thread) |
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| [22:04:15] | iamlindoro: | Worth mentioning: pursuant to a conversation among the channel operators, we're going to be more strict about enforcing common courtesy in the channel. It's okay to refer someone to the docs/wiki/etc. |
| [22:04:48] | iamlindoro: | If they haven't done their homework, but insulting behavior, profanity, namecalling, and anything else that might objectively be viewed as unwelcoming behavior, especially to newcomers, will be greeted with warnings and (as necessary) further action |
| [22:05:22] | iamlindoro: | Put succinctly: If you can't be friendly with your help, please don't give it. |
| [22:07:13] | gbee: | "I have over 60,000 tracks |
| [22:07:24] | gbee: | " – All obtained legally I'll bet |
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| [22:08:07] | sphery: | gbee: at iTunes prices, that's only $59,400 |
| [22:08:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if ive heard 60000 tracks of the entirety of my life |
| [22:08:38] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you include all the audio shorts and such things in movies and TV |
| [22:09:14] | ThisOneGuyToo: | Hi all – I recently upgraded to SVN 23020 and I'm not able to navigate settings menus with my remote any more (although the telnet interface works) – does anyone know if this is a known issue? |
| [22:09:22] | sphery: | why would someone with 60K tracks actually listen to them? |
| [22:09:30] | sphery: | I think collecting is the sport |
| [22:09:31] | wagnerrp: | ThisOneGuyToo: trunk or -fixes? |
| [22:09:37] | ThisOneGuyToo: | trunk |
| [22:09:41] | wagnerrp: | just saying 'SVN' could mean any number of things |
| [22:09:45] | ThisOneGuyToo: | sorry |
| [22:09:46] | iamlindoro: | They're playing them all at once to simulate 20th century classical music |
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| [22:10:19] | sphery: | ThisOneGuyToo: you do know that the arrow key accelerators (right button to "navigate") were removed for 0.22 and above, right? |
| [22:10:21] | gbee: | with a generous 12 tracks each, that's _only_ 5000 CDs |
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| [22:10:51] | AndyCap: | 5000 cd's isn't unheard of, but I wouldn't want to rip all of them |
| [22:11:03] | wagnerrp: | well you could get those at a second hand store for $2–4 |
| [22:11:07] | gbee: | of course I'd likely offend too many people to outright call the guy a thief |
| [22:11:42] | wagnerrp: | i mean nearly all the stuff i have was taking out of the 'assorted' bin at the local record store |
| [22:11:59] | iamlindoro: | My tags are a disaster, I really want to get them sorted out before MythMusic is MythUI'd and I start to think about theming it |
| [22:12:02] | gbee: | wagnerrp: put that way, it's sounds reasonable – $10 – 20,000 on more music than you could possibly ever listen to |
| [22:12:11] | iamlindoro: | and they're a disaster precisely because I ripped my music :) |
| [22:12:52] | skd5aner: | I spent about a year (very on and off) fixing my tags |
| [22:12:53] | ThisOneGuyToo: | hmm – I'm pretty sure I've been able to navigate settings menus in trunk before 23020 – plus isn't it weird that "key up" works in the telnet menu? |
| [22:13:08] | skd5aner: | musicbrainz ftw – if you need to fix your tags, I used the picard tagger |
| [22:13:20] | wagnerrp: | ThisOneGuyToo: did you just update mythtv? or your whole system? |
| [22:13:25] | skd5aner: | well worth the effort |
| [22:13:29] | ThisOneGuyToo: | just myth |
| [22:13:47] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Ideally I could pull in cover art and add it to the MP3s themselves |
| [22:14:02] | iamlindoro: | so if that's not a standard capability I'd love to find something that does that |
| [22:14:03] | ThisOneGuyToo: | up/right/left/down still work when playing a show on the remote |
| [22:14:05] | waxhead_: | sphery, when deleting the duplicates, should I be deleting the 'old' channels in the channel editor? |
| [22:14:07] | skd5aner: | Yea, I use a plugin to grab my coverart – although musicbrainz has the ability to do it as well |
| [22:14:25] | skd5aner: | and I agree – embedding the coverart is the way to go |
| [22:14:34] | gbee: | place I buy my music now includes the albumart in the id3 |
| [22:14:34] | iamlindoro: | I have a lot of classical music, too, album art selection is always pretty bad for that stuff |
| [22:14:49] | waxhead_: | I ripped to flac... big mistake.. nothing else can use it.. |
| [22:14:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro: aye |
| [22:15:08] | skd5aner: | yea – what I do for my classical is find a picture of the artists, Mozart for example, and then all my mozart tracks are just a pic of him |
| [22:15:33] | skd5aner: | artist rendering may be more appropriate than "picture" :) |
| [22:15:45] | skd5aner: | but you get the "picture" (had to do it) |
| [22:16:46] | iamlindoro: | streamlined process is definitely where it's been lacking in the past-- I get it in my head to sort it all out and them either find that I have tons of manual information to add, or really awful cover art selection, then become discouraged and give up |
| [22:16:50] | wagnerrp: | waxhead_: check out mp3fs |
| [22:16:51] | skd5aner: | I really don't care if I have a particular classical album that does indeed have coverart, because for the most part there's only 500 different albums for the same symphonies, etc |
| [22:16:54] | iamlindoro: | But I'll check out Picard/Musicbranz |
| [22:17:17] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions about it |
| [22:17:21] | wagnerrp: | fusefs program to transcode music on-demand, completely with translated id3 tags |
| [22:17:51] | skd5aner: | my suggestion, do it an album at a time, seems slower, but it's honestly the best way to do it – too much at once, and it can become hectic |
| [22:18:15] | skd5aner: | I also keep an original backup of my library prior to tagging, just in case something gets screwy |
| [22:18:42] | gbee: | in terms of ripping, these days I don't see a need to use anything other than mythmusic itself, rips to exactly the format I want, with the tags all perfect and places the files automatically into the right location and the database at the same time |
| [22:18:45] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: what, you're going to put justinh away?! :p |
| [22:19:00] | sid3windr: | (re worth mentioning) |
| [22:19:20] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: Justin may be occasionally sarcastice, but he is far and away more helpful than he's harmful |
| [22:19:28] | skd5aner: | The thing I love about the musicbrainz DB is the consistency – artist spelling (and vs &, Capital Letters vs Lower Case, etc) on EVERYTHING – an Artist is consistent across anything they may be on |
| [22:19:31] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [22:19:41] | iamlindoro: | we have people in here who *only* open their mouths to be insulting. It hurts Myth as a project and it's not okay any more. |
| [22:19:48] | gbee: | rather than re-tag I'd probably re-rip, in several cases I ripped at a lower bitrate the first time anyway |
| [22:20:17] | gbee: | skd5aner: ahh, but consistently right or consistently wrong? |
| [22:20:28] | iamlindoro: | and FWIW I am willing to practice what I preach-- if I'm offensive to someone, call me on it |
| [22:20:30] | skd5aner: | gbee: even if you re-rip, the services that many rippers use is very inconsistent and innaccurate |
| [22:21:20] | AndyCap: | skd5aner: if you have consistent results with musicbrainz you've been lucky. :P |
| [22:21:27] | skd5aner: | for example, even in iTunes double disc albums will be inconsistent "Something & Something [DISC 1]" and "Something and Something (disc 2)" |
| [22:21:33] | AndyCap: | skd5aner: but it's the best so far |
| [22:21:35] | gbee: | skd5aner: opendb is right enough of the time and it takes two seconds to correct obvious mistakes/omissions |
| [22:22:17] | skd5aner: | AndyCap – I've had VERY consistent, but nothing is 100%, but it blows away all the other options – the style guidliness on MB is very specific across the DB, I appreciate that |
| [22:22:52] | wagnerrp: | well thats great... apparently the hotswap bays on out systems at work need special counter-sunk screws |
| [22:22:55] | wagnerrp: | which i cant seem to find |
| [22:22:56] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: So picard pulls in cover art and inserts it, or no? |
| [22:22:58] | skd5aner: | gbee: perhaps – but MB is the same methodology – it's open, just go in and fix it |
| [22:22:59] | gbee: | just checked one particular band that is frequently wrong – it's also wrong on musicbrainz |
| [22:23:26] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I am not sure, I know that it is *capable* of dealing with album art, but I did all of mine manually so I'm not familiar with how it handles it |
| [22:24:02] | skd5aner: | gbee: the data is only as good as the people who enter/edit it I'm afraid :( out of curiousity, what band is it? |
| [22:24:45] | skd5aner: | I find it interesting that BBC has started to utilize MB for its systems that reference music metadata |
| [22:25:13] | ThisOneGuyToo: | sounds like no one else sees my error – I'll update to the latest in trunk and see if that solves it |
| [22:25:43] | abqjp: | The is a cover-art plugin for picard, but it is not there in the core app. |
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| [22:25:55] | abqjp: | s/The/There/ |
| [22:26:00] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: Ah, I'll check that out |
| [22:26:28] | MartinJT: | need advice on partitioning a large drive for use with storage groups... |
| [22:26:34] | abqjp: | Only prob I have had with the cover-art plugin, is it sometimes grabs VERY LARGE pics, which some players choke on. |
| [22:26:58] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: Ah-- being a metadata/artwork junkie that wouldn't bother me too much so long as mythmusic et al behave |
| [22:27:11] | MartinJT: | anyone got any thoughts... |
| [22:27:12] | gbee: | skd5aner: heh, just did some checking and it seems that the band/label's take on the name is inconsistent so it wouldn't make a great example |
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| [22:27:17] | AndyCap: | oh. and windows does not like id3v24 if you ever want that. |
| [22:27:21] | abqjp: | My iPhone is the only device that has choked on it. |
| [22:27:46] | iamlindoro: | MartinJT: Why use multiple partitions at all? |
| [22:27:57] | MartinJT: | that was my thought... |
| [22:28:07] | MartinJT: | but didn't know if there was a down side... |
| [22:28:24] | MartinJT: | it's a 1TB one... |
| [22:28:31] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardQt/Plugins |
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| [22:28:48] | iamlindoro: | No reason to partition unless you *must* keep usage by a particular medium to a specific size |
| [22:28:54] | MartinJT: | so didn't know if putting it all on 1 would be detrimental to performance... |
| [22:28:57] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: Thanks |
| [22:29:02] | iamlindoro: | MartinJT: Not at all |
| [22:29:17] | iamlindoro: | besides, the amounts of data you are pulling off a disk for digital video are trivial |
| [22:29:26] | MartinJT: | iamlindoro, thanks... been a big help... |
| [22:29:38] | iamlindoro: | welcome to the kinder, gentler #mythtv-users ;) |
| [22:30:02] | MartinJT: | i' |
| [22:30:51] | MartinJT: | thanks... i'm new to this room... i'm usually in the bitchy #mythtv-users... I'll have to try and remember how to get here again... |
| [22:30:58] | gbee: | AndyCap: mythmusic uses 2.4 by default (as do all linux apps that use Taglib which is most of the newer ones) |
| [22:31:14] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: under Micro$oft, http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ is excellent. Lets you easily import what ever pic you want to use as cover art. |
| [22:31:28] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: No MS at home, so Picard will have to do for now |
| [22:31:38] | gbee: | it reads other versions, but rights 2.4 tags |
| [22:31:41] | gbee: | writes |
| [22:31:46] | iamlindoro: | Always get really excited about having a truly squared away music collection, maybe this time I'll follow through |
| [22:32:21] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: sorry – actually froze my powerbook, had to hard restart it... it looks like the plugin to download the album art has to be enabled, and then it'll grab it for you: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardPlugins |
| [22:32:40] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Just downloaded it, abqjp passed me the link, thanks |
| [22:32:49] | skd5aner: | it's based on if the album has an amazon ASID assigned to it, and I would say a large majority of the albums do have that |
| [22:33:05] | gbee: | iamlindoro: mine is far from perfect, genres mostly are where things get messy, but largely I'm happy with it – I don't bother to re-tag anything I buy as a download |
| [22:33:09] | skd5aner: | cool, going back up through the log :) |
| [22:33:28] | abqjp: | My new WD 2TB had problems staying alive on my RAID5 (until the new firmware came out), and I ended up loosing a bunch of my FLACs. So, now I have to re-rep those CDs. Talk about time-consuming! |
| [22:33:53] | ** gbee wonders how that copes with limited release EPs etc ** | |
| [22:33:54] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: There are a few very cool python scripts for the Sony 200 disc changer that make ripping CDs a breeze |
| [22:34:16] | iamlindoro: | ie you load it up, fire off the script, and come back in the morning to FLACs/MP3s ripped and tagged |
| [22:34:20] | skd5aner: | gbee: re artist name – You can probably go in and see the history of edits specifically on that artists name within MB and see the discussion behind how the one that exists was chosen as the best |
| [22:34:33] | abqjp: | Cool, going to send me a Sony 200 disc changer? |
| [22:34:48] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: You can come use it at my house :) |
| [22:35:00] | iamlindoro: | to be honest it's gathering dust right now, I may move it in to the kitchen, though |
| [22:35:26] | iamlindoro: | when/if Greyfoxx finishes up changer support I can dump all the DVDs there and use them when I like |
| [22:36:28] | skd5aner: | gbee: what were you referring to with the EPs? |
| [22:36:54] | gbee: | the bit about Amazon ASID |
| [22:37:03] | skd5aner: | ah – hit or miss to be honest... |
| [22:37:11] | AndyCap: | gbee: where do you buy downloads? |
| [22:37:26] | gbee: | AndyCap: emusic mostly |
| [22:37:47] | skd5aner: | I can think of a couple that I had bought from the artist in concert (well known artist), but was never sold retail |
| [22:38:02] | skd5aner: | both aren't (weren't) on amazon |
| [22:38:20] | gbee: | as in I've had a subcription with emusic for the last two years, most everything else (that emusic doesn't carry) I still buy the physical CD |
| [22:38:23] | AndyCap: | gbee: ok. used to be happy with them, but it went down the tubes this fall, so sort of looking for alternatives |
| [22:38:42] | gbee: | let me guess, you didn't like the price rise? |
| [22:39:03] | skd5aner: | I've started to buy a few downloads from amazon – not saying they're the best, but sometimes very easy to get |
| [22:39:05] | AndyCap: | gbee: yep, with nothing to show for it really. |
| [22:39:31] | gbee: | seemed perfectly reasonable to me (still half the price of the cheapest major store) |
| [22:40:23] | skd5aner: | also – wanted to correct myself – it's the Amazon ASIN (Amazon Standard Identification Number), not ASID |
| [22:40:58] | AndyCap: | gbee: well, if any of the touted features were available to me as well I'd probably be ok. |
| [22:41:11] | gbee: | and I don't begrudge the artists that money, I don't buy the argument that they can earn money from touring instead (only the biggest bands on the big labels can even think about that) |
| [22:41:35] | gbee: | AndyCap: which features? |
| [22:41:58] | AndyCap: | the sony catalog was the big one iirc. |
| [22:42:00] | skd5aner: | I want to know how U2 can make so much money when their stage alone cost over $100m |
| [22:42:12] | gbee: | those that didn't get Sony instead kept the old prices |
| [22:42:19] | AndyCap: | gbee: uh, no. |
| [22:42:24] | gbee: | uh, yes |
| [22:42:27] | wagnerrp: | their stage cost $100M? |
| [22:42:40] | wagnerrp: | what could you possibly build on a stage to cost that much |
| [22:42:41] | skd5aner: | yea, let me see if I can dig up site on it |
| [22:42:50] | skd5aner: | it took like 75 trucks to haul around |
| [22:42:57] | gbee: | I'm in the UK, no Sony, but grandfathered to the same old price I was paying before (new customers have to pay the new price) |
| [22:43:45] | AndyCap: | gbee: well, I'm stuck with no sony and a new price, so I'm miffed. |
| [22:43:47] | skd5aner: | K – I'm a bit off wagnerrp... |
| [22:44:39] | skd5aner: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U2_360%C2%B0_Tou . . . stage_design |
| [22:44:43] | gbee: | I still think the new prices are more than fair, sony or no sony, but that's just my opinion |
| [22:45:20] | skd5aner: | "...and requires 120 trucks to transport each of the 3 sets constructed to support the tour.[8][12] Each leg of the structure contains its own sound system.[8] The cost of each structure is between £15 million and £20 million" |
| [22:45:23] | AndyCap: | I'll be looking for a pay as you go instead of a subscription service at that price though |
| [22:46:01] | gbee: | I'd probably be less adventurous with the new prices, but I hardly need to be since I've a 'saved for later' list with enough albums to last me a year |
| [22:46:19] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: well thats what you get when your mad leader decides he needs a giant claw to destroy... erm entertain his audience |
| [22:46:35] | mzb: | "Daily costs of the production are approximately $750,000" |
| [22:46:37] | mzb: | gee |
| [22:46:49] | skd5aner: | all that's missing to power the device is whatever that dude needed in spiderman 3 |
| [22:46:54] | skd5aner: | or 2, whatever one it was |
| [22:47:15] | iamlindoro: | or Iron Man 1? |
| [22:47:20] | wagnerrp: | the guy in 2 didnt mention any power source did it? |
| [22:48:06] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 'gee-wiz' factor was that he needed a artificially intelligent set of tentacles hardwired to his spine to achieve fusion |
| [22:48:21] | wagnerrp: | not that the tentacles themselves had any special power source |
| [22:48:35] | wagnerrp: | he just needed them to control the machinery |
| [22:48:50] | skd5aner: | yea – probably right, I thought there was something about a power source or something to power them too |
| [22:48:57] | skd5aner: | been several years since I've seen it |
| [22:49:05] | gbee: | a lot of people who illegal download tracks seem to think that bands should make all their money from touring and give away their music (never mind the fact that few of those people would ever leave the house to see a band live), harsh reality is that smaller bands barely get by on CD sales + touring, they couldn't possibly afford to earn money from just one |
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| [22:49:32] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea- let's go with that one, Iron Man |
| [22:49:33] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:49:59] | wagnerrp: | gbee: then there are those bands that go into debt because of all the crap they are charged for through their recording contract |
| [22:50:43] | iamlindoro: | Seemingly Innocuous _______ (name) is ______ed (verb) by a ______ (animal) whereupon he gains the power of _____ (superpower) and fights ______ (color) ______ (noun) who seeks to control ________ (power source). |
| [22:50:49] | iamlindoro: | There, Marvel Comics Mad Lib |
| [22:51:38] | skd5aner: | copyright that so you can sell it to a studio |
| [22:51:54] | wagnerrp: | 'seemingly innocuous uber-wealthy playboy supergenius'.... that doesnt quite fit |
| [22:52:20] | iamlindoro: | uber-wealthy playboy supergenius isn't a name ;) |
| [22:52:40] | gbee: | wagnerrp: aye, some on the big labels are royally screwed |
| [22:53:05] | gbee: | touring + large venues costs a LOT of money, and small venues like pubs and bars can only raise £500 a night (split four or five ways, one/two nights a week, minus transport and other costs, well that's barely above minimum wage) |
| [22:53:22] | wagnerrp: | gbee: i mean its almost back to the old coal magnates where workers were paid in script only usable at the company store |
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| [22:58:19] | ahughes: | heya, is there a Sony PlayTV driver for myth yet? |
| [22:59:05] | kormoc: | is there a v4l/v4l2/X11 driver for it yet? |
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| [23:00:12] | sid3windr: | I call rule 34 |
| [23:00:27] | wagnerrp: | sony external tuner porn? |
| [23:00:36] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [23:01:01] | sid3windr: | as long as "if it exists, there's a linux driver" isn't true.. |
| [23:01:12] | gbee: | kormoc: you have been cited for breach of rule 34, how do you plead? |
| [23:01:24] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [23:01:41] | sid3windr: | ahughes: send one + $500 to devinheitmueller and see what happens ;> |
| [23:02:02] | gbee: | stuff that send it to me |
| [23:02:15] | sid3windr: | the tuner, or the $500? |
| [23:02:25] | ** devinheitmueller 's ears perk up. ** | |
| [23:02:27] | gbee: | not saying it will get you anywhere, but I'll be $500 better off |
| [23:02:29] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [23:02:52] | devinheitmueller: | The "Sony PlayTV".... hmmm... that one seems familiar.... |
| [23:03:00] | ** devinheitmueller looks at his notes... ** | |
| [23:03:11] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [23:05:16] | devinheitmueller: | Assuming we're talking about the DVB-T version, yeah support was added in February (it's a dib0700 based design). |
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| [23:05:31] | devinheitmueller: | (2.6.30) |
| [23:05:36] | sid3windr: | \o/ |
| [23:05:45] | sid3windr: | wouldya look at that |
| [23:06:09] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [23:06:24] | sid3windr: | devinheitmueller: I read about that dvb generator you bought – is that something you feed image and it plays multiplex, so you can test the cards? |
| [23:06:30] | devinheitmueller: | Yes. |
| [23:06:36] | sid3windr: | sounds cool |
| [23:06:41] | sid3windr: | and niche and expensive |
| [23:06:41] | sid3windr: | ;/ |
| [23:06:49] | devinheitmueller: | I don't have access to DVB-T since I'm in the United States. The generator lets me fake it. |
| [23:07:02] | sid3windr: | does it do -C and -S too? |
| [23:07:03] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it was both niche and expensive. |
| [23:07:05] | ahughes: | well, I dont think that the US has PlayTV release yet does it? |
| [23:07:15] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: No, I do not believe so. |
| [23:07:23] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: the dvb-t one is the only one I know of. |
| [23:08:03] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: the particular card I picked up will not do dvb-c or dvb-s. |
| [23:08:05] | ahughes: | Im happy with it... but FAT 32 imposes some pretty bad restictions (when recording HD). |
| [23:08:13] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: you need a different card for that. |
| [23:08:20] | sid3windr: | aww |
| [23:08:30] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: (they do make a generator for those standards, but it's a different product) |
| [23:08:33] | sid3windr: | :-) |
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| [23:09:00] | sid3windr: | you should have moved here – would have been cheaper! ;) |
| [23:09:33] | devinheitmueller: | But at least I will be able to do DVB-T, ATSC, and ClearQAM. It will be helpful even for ATSC/ClearQAM (even though I have access to existing signals), since I can do things like error injection and play streams that are known to have zero errors. |
| [23:09:37] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: perhaps. |
| [23:09:42] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:09:47] | sid3windr: | cool |
| [23:09:55] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: I rather like New York though. |
| [23:10:08] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [23:11:30] | ahughes: | it's probably cold there is it guys? It's about to hit 41c here again today... not enjoyable heat. |
| [23:11:50] | sid3windr: | wut |
| [23:11:55] | sid3windr: | where are you? desert? :P |
| [23:12:00] | wagnerrp: | australia |
| [23:12:03] | ** devinheitmueller has to lookup conversion from Celsius to Fahrenheit. ** | |
| [23:12:06] | sid3windr: | it's 2°C here |
| [23:12:11] | ahughes: | yep wagnerrp is right. |
| [23:12:15] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: just over 100F |
| [23:12:17] | sid3windr: | devinheitmueller: ahh, another advantage of living in civilized world :D |
| [23:12:20] | devinheitmueller: | ah. |
| [23:12:22] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that's quite warm. |
| [23:12:27] | sid3windr: | knowing metrics and celsius! |
| [23:12:33] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: No kidding. I *love* metric. |
| [23:12:36] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [23:12:46] | devinheitmueller: | sid3windr: I wish we would get our damn act together like the rest of the world. |
| [23:12:51] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:13:04] | ** sid3windr mails obama ** | |
| [23:13:08] | MartinJT: | hmm... got a slight problem.... I booted up my backend, and my main video partition wasn't mounted... then some idiot decided to do a scan on one of the frontends.. |
| [23:13:19] | MartinJT: | i've now lost all the meta data.... |
| [23:13:31] | MartinJT: | is there a way to "easily"2 get it all back... |
| [23:13:35] | MartinJT: | ? |
| [23:13:39] | wagnerrp: | MartinJT: only thing you can do is recover those tables from a backup |
| [23:13:45] | wagnerrp: | no other option |
| [23:14:04] | MartinJT: | dammit! |
| [23:14:10] | MartinJT: | i'll kill her! |
| [23:14:38] | wagnerrp: | because she didnt regularly back up her databases? |
| [23:14:49] | MartinJT: | of course... |
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| [23:15:14] | MartinJT: | nothing to do with the fact that she did a rescan when she shouldn't have! |
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| [23:17:15] | ahughes: | devinheitmueller, might I ask what does this means? http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/8627/ |
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| [23:17:54] | ahughes: | looks like there is a driver somewhere |
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| [23:17:59] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: looks like the original patch. |
| [23:18:04] | wagnerrp: | ahughes: its just adding the manu/model codes into the drive so it gets recognized |
| [23:18:07] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: I told you: it's already been merged. |
| [23:18:14] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: if you have 2.6.30 or later, you're set. |
| [23:18:36] | gbee: | it would be nice if we could have the scenario of an offline/unavailable storage location |
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| [23:19:07] | ahughes: | sorry I missed that... so 2.6.30 of myth you're talkin ? :) |
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| [23:19:16] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: No, the Linux kernel 2.6.30. |
| [23:19:33] | ahughes: | ahhh kk. |
| [23:19:36] | ahughes: | thx |
| [23:19:59] | wagnerrp: | ahughes: but for a few exceptions, myth doesnt support tuner cards, it just supports the DVB/V4L/IVTV interfaces |
| [23:20:06] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: run "uname -r" from a terminal window, and if it is >= 2.6.30, then your device should be supported. |
| [23:20:10] | wagnerrp: | and works with any card with drivers using those itnerfaces |
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| [23:20:47] | wagnerrp: | so when youre talking driver support, youre talking the linux kernel, or the v4l-dvb tree at linuxtv.org |
| [23:21:12] | MartinJT: | another one for you guys... is there anyway to add a "Generic" delay on all audio... my new LCD processes the picture, and and therefore delays it abit... and my audio goes to another output... |
| [23:21:51] | wagnerrp: | MartinJT: i thought newer receiver hardware had adjustable delays for that purpose |
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| [23:22:49] | gbee: | MartinJT: no |
| [23:23:43] | ahughes: | wagnerrp, well I will have to plug and play then :) thanks for the help devinheitmueller |
| [23:23:49] | devinheitmueller: | np |
| [23:24:15] | ahughes: | oh, is mythbuntu ok? or just get myth itself? |
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| [23:24:30] | devinheitmueller: | ahughes: it shouldn't matter. |
| [23:24:32] | MartinJT: | wagnerrp, it's outputing from a computer into a home cinema kit... the kit is like 5 or 6 years old... |
| [23:24:45] | wagnerrp: | if mythbuntu is running 2.6.30 or better, youre golden |
| [23:25:04] | MartinJT: | but only the audio goes to the kit |
| [23:25:05] | ahughes: | thats what I was thinking/hoping |
| [23:26:09] | wagnerrp: | MartinJT: you can try using pulseaudio, that will prevent the video from lagging behind the audio |
| [23:26:23] | wagnerrp: | (of course your audio will now lag behind the video by a random amount) |
| [23:26:39] | wagnerrp: | (that recommendation was not to be taken seriously) |
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| [23:26:53] | ahughes: | oh while I am here... final question. Is there a 1080 friendly "theme" around (gnome, KDE, whatever)? |
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| [23:27:09] | [R]: | wagnerrp: isn't video lagging frfom audio and audio lagging from video kinda the same thing? |
| [23:27:18] | ahughes: | coz windows SUCKS at 1080! |
| [23:27:28] | wagnerrp: | eh? any of the widescreen themes in mythtv should work fine at 1080 |
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| [23:27:35] | wagnerrp: | [R]: no, its completely opposite |
| [23:28:11] | [R]: | wagnerrp: oh... yeah |
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| [23:28:25] | [R]: | audio is slower vs video is slower |
| [23:28:36] | [R]: | or maybe audio is faster |
| [23:28:39] | ahughes: | okie dokie... I gotta run THANKS HEAPS have a good NYE! |
| [23:28:39] | [R]: | meh, wahtever |
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| [23:28:56] | wagnerrp: | [R]: they audio cant get there before myth send it |
| [23:31:57] | Boblfoot (Boblfoot!n=Bob@fedora/BobLfoot) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:32:53] | Boblfoot: | For what it's worth I have MythTV running on a Fedora Rawhide Box Tonight installed by yum not built. |
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| [23:34:32] | [R]: | EXTREME |
| [23:34:36] | [R]: | is that supposed to be impressive? |
| [23:35:00] | waxhead_: | woo hoo.. recordings are working again... |
| [23:35:10] | waxhead_: | thanks for your patience all... |
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| [23:37:09] | Boblfoot: | [R]: If I had built it from "scratch" and had figured out how to make hvr-1800 analog work that would be impressive, what I'm doing is just fun. |
| [23:37:32] | AndyCap: | good job not having rawhide blow up in your face though. |
| [23:37:58] | Boblfoot: | But the fun is when it does "you get to keep the pieces" :) |
| [23:38:22] | [R]: | Boblfoot: if you say so |
| [23:38:56] | Boblfoot: | What surprised me was the F11 and F12 rpms that were installed as part of the command "yum install mythtv" |
| [23:42:11] | ** kormoc doesn't think Boblfoot likes keeping the broken pieces given the last few days ** | |
| [23:46:36] | Boblfoot: | kormoc: the last few days I've been installing MythTV on F12 {a supposedly working program on a leading edge but working distro} ; What I learned from that experience and the help of folks here made playing with it on F13 tonight simple. |
| [23:53:40] | AndyCap: | ok, that's the end of emusic. they don't allow new users from my country any more. |
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| [23:56:58] | gbee: | "supposedly working" ouch |
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| [23:58:44] | waxhead_: | what sort of cpu utlisation will you see mythfrontend when showing HD channels? |
| [23:58:52] | waxhead_: | Im' seeing 100% |
| [23:59:10] | AndyCap: | waxhead_: add moar cpu? or moar gpu. |
| [23:59:14] | gbee: | waxhead_: that depends on a dozen factors, none of which you've given |
| [23:59:15] | wagnerrp: | waxhead_: what processor? |
| [23:59:47] | waxhead_: | itel dual core and nvidia gpu |
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