Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, December 29th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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antgel:

is there any way to make my "once only" recording schedule disappear from the list after it has recorded the programme?

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kormoc:

it doesn't already?

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kormoc:

(once you delete the recording?)

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antgel:

kormoc: perhaps. recording more than deleting at the moment. really didn't link that to deleting the recording, interesting

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kormoc:

well if ti recorded incorrectly and you hit delete and rerecord, it can't without the recording schedule

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kormoc:

that said, this is going off of a bit of memory here, so I might be very off

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** kormoc peers towards sphery and iamlindoro **

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sphery:

antgel: it does disappear the day after the show ire recorded

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sphery:

s/ire/is/

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sphery:

sorry--didn't mean to put so much ire into that response

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Dagmar:

It removes them after they've been recorded.

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antgel:

so *that's* what the delete and allow rerecord thing is, i always wondered that

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sphery:

mythbackend cleans up the rules daily so it gets removed within a day of recording finishing

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kormoc:

ahh, good to know

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antgel:

okay, cool, i'll watch out for it – clearly i'm doing much more scheduling than viewing right now

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sphery:

delete and allow re-record doesn't set up a new rule--it simply marks the recorded episode such that it doesn't count against duplicate matching

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Dagmar:

I had it record something last night. I have the recording, but there's no longer any "stale" entry

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kormoc:

sphery: which means the cleanup doesn't happen, right?

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sphery:

antgel: if you do "any time" rules, they're not cleaned up, though

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kormoc:

cause I've could have sworn that I've done that where a movie fails, I set it to rerecord and it does a week or two later

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sphery:

kormoc: rules are deleted after the (act of) recording occurs, not after the recording (file) is deleted

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kormoc:

but I could just be insane

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sphery:

if you delete the recording and allow re-record before the rule is cleaned up, it won't get cleaned up (as it's become active, again)

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sphery:

(I think on that one, that is)

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kormoc:

kk, that's what I've observed

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antgel:

ah, so duplicate matching takes into account episodes that were recorded and deleted in the distant past? if so, that's too cool

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kormoc:

antgel: aye, it does

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Dagmar:

Yep

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sphery:

I've never tried--I'm currently watching last season's shows (I'm always /way/ behind :)

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sphery:

and, yeah, myth can keep of history of every show you've ever recorded and will use it for dup matching. Manage what's used for dup matching in Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded

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Dagmar:

It can get real fun if you're not mindful of the rules when you're dealing with somewhat generic show descriptions

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** sphery has converted a ton of his rules to "Exclude generic episodes" rules **

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Dagmar:

Try recording a bit of CNN sometime

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Dagmar:

big fun

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kormoc:

sphery: I've converted all of mine to do that, too useful of a rule not to be default imho

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sphery:

I don't have it set on my important rules, but I have it set on all my less important ones

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iamlindoro:

that kind of "modify the scheduler" talk will get you stabbed in the face on the right list

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sphery:

(i.e. ones with repeats)

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sphery:

kormoc: btw, today I sent http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7557#comment:4 , then realized that it may actually be a forgotten update that goes with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20822 , so feel free to re-open (or just fix silently) if it is a "get_backend_setting should be setting" issue

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sphery:

figured it wasn't worth spamming the list again by correcting myself (but don't mind if you correct me in a commit message :)

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sphery:

mainly just thought it should be locked since it was closed and comments weren't really useful on it

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dustybin:

how do you guys program your mythtv box? do you just select random stuff to record constantly?

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** sphery selects every single new series to record **

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dustybin:

jeeze

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sphery:

(and deletes many of them without watching, as they're cancelled or as people say they're garbage)

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sphery:

the networks do a great job of telling me when to delete rules :)

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Dagmar:

I'd like the option to record based on the number of parental advisories attached

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Dagmar:

...or maybe rank them using a weighting system.

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sphery:

there should be a website for that

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sphery:

like rotten tomatoes, but different :)

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Dagmar:

Adult language: +1, Graphic Violence: +1. Extreme nudity: +5. Gratuitous foul language: +3. Extremely graphic orgy scenes: +10

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Dagmar:

I like HBO's system of letting me know up front if I want to change the channel or not

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Dagmar:

Anything with three or more acronyms ending in "AS" (adult situations) is probably a keeper

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sphery:

for me, they wouldn't work well, as I get the "Edited*** for content" version on broadcast TV (***also the "Edited /to fit your screen/" version, which often doesn't fit my screen)

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Toast:

Can you get away without rescanning for channels when you upgrade to 0.22?

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Dagmar:

Why would you need to scan?

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Toast:

Dagmar: I heard it gets new information for some of the DVB tables.

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sphery:

Toast: if you do a new install, just do a full restore of your database and you should be good--no scanning required

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Dagmar:

What "new" information could it find useful?

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Toast:

If I can put off the scan that makes things easier...

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Dagmar:

Have you even tried to see if it knows about channels anymore?

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sphery:

if it gets anything new, it would be default_authority for DVB-T, but since default_authority isn't working for DVB-other, it's not useful to get it

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sphery:

so don't worry about rescanning

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Toast:

I've not got any frontends updated yet.

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sphery:

did you do a full restore

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sphery:

(or just let Myth upgrade the DB that was there--either one)

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Toast:

sphery: I just did an upgrade...

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sphery:

basically do /not/ do a prtial restore

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sphery:

so you're using the same DB...

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sphery:

that works

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Toast:

Unfortunatly a full scan takes about an hour and a half, at least with 0.21

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sphery:

ideally, though, you'd have backed up the database before the upgrade because binary data files won't necessarily work properly after upgrading mysql (unless you really know what you're doing or you're lucky)

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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Toast:

I downloaded the new database backup script and ran it before upgrading.

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sphery:

great...

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sphery:

then you're all set--if the existing DB doesn't work, you can drop the DB, create a new DB, and restore the backup ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file ) and all is good.

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Toast:

Yes, I even came here earlier to ask if there was anything else I had to worry about...

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore --better link

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DesmondD:

When it comes to soundcards and using SPDIF passthrough, is there any difference in quality or do they all just do the same?

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wagnerrp:

either you have sufficient signal quality to get full data

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wagnerrp:

or you end up with nasty digital garbage

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AndyCap:

DesmondD: theoretically it shouldn't be any different.

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AndyCap:

barring any software problems

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sphery:

DesmondD: I think the difference you should be concerned with is the "difference in usability/getting it working"

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AndyCap:

DesmondD: and don't go asking the inmates at the resident HiFi-Asylum.

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wagnerrp:

theres no wide range of quality that you would otherwise get with electronic isolation and high quality DACs

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sphery:

the quality differences are irrelevant in comparison

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DesmondD:

sphery: so unless the driver is a bit buggy then it's fine eh?

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AndyCap:

(clue: they sell gold-plated toslink cables)

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sphery:

DesmondD: if you get AC-3/DTS passthrough working, then it's fine

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Dagmar:

Well, they'll have better throughput than the bullshit LEDs and plastic they try to sell people now

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: well thats obviously to keep the cheap plastic fiber from corroding

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sphery:

DesmondD: it's mainly a some cards are easier to configure than others (not so much a driver issue)

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AndyCap:

ah, duuh.

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sphery:

I bought a solid gold fibre-optic cable... I can't get it working, yet, though.

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sphery:

I think I may just need a better-quality receiver and transmitter

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iamlindoro:

and some directional Cat5

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sphery:

ah, haven't tried that one, yet

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DesmondD:

How about output Khz with SPDIF? How does that play into it? 44.1/48/96/192 Khz

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** AndyCap is still a little unclear on how denon plans to fix jitter by adding another clock over a different length of cable. **

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: obviously they need to put cesium oscillators in their hardware

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sphery:

DesmondD: PC sound cards almost universally are designed to handle only 48kHz AC-3/DTS.

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AndyCap:

considering the price of regular cesium oscillators I suspect denons would have astronomical prices.

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sphery:

DesmondD: all claims to the contrary are generally made to seem correct by Windows drivers that resample/re-encode the data for you

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wagnerrp:

'out sale on prey was so popular we ran out of keys'.... how do you run out of keys for a downloadable game?

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sphery:

it's an artifact of the audio CODEC design du jour (the one designed to exercise your Pentium processor so you need to upgrade to a Pentium II)

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: the gnomes calculating the rsa signatures went on christmas holiday

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DesmondD:

Ok, sounds good (pun intended), thanks all

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sphery:

there are some exceptions, but Intel PC'97 and HDA audio CODEC design makes those exceptions rare and pricey

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sphery:

(though the next Intel audio architecture is being done right--like the SoundBlaster DSP's of olde...)

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Toast:

That's strange, my frontend wants to upgrade my database. Shouldn't my backend have done that?

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sphery:

that's plugins upgrading their db's

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sphery:

specifically mythmusic and mythvideo ask you

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does that include proper isolation?

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sphery:

(the others just do it)

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Toast:

ok

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sphery:

wagnerrp: isolation?

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wagnerrp:

i still have yet to find a single board that i cant hear noise coming off the analog outputs

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wagnerrp:

although thats becoming less of an issue with digital audio

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sphery:

ahhh... Don't know. I just know they take the audio processing off the CPU and put it in a dedicated chip

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sphery:

(likely a Wolfson (sp?))

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Toast:

Cool... I have an almost working myth system :)

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AndyCap:

shipping for mobile platforms? is wolfson going to be another poulsbo ?

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AndyCap:

haha, never mind. I'm stupid. the press release was from 2001

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sphery:

heh... I was trying to tranlate

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AndyCap:

I thought the WM9707 designation sounded a little odd if it was not a AC97 codec. :P

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sphery:

yeah, 2-gens removed :)

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sphery:

I can't wait to see Intel HDA die

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AndyCap:

don't hold your breath.

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Dagmar:

You are far from the only one

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Dagmar:

From the standpoint of a professional bastard tho, I *am* impressed that they managed to declare a new "standard" which actually set us back 10 years

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Dagmar:

Since all the people making HDA variants never bother to tell anyone how they wired up their outputs and devices, most of the damn things can be easily identified as being intel-HDA, but simply don't f**king work right anyway

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Dagmar:

...but at least it's high-definition non-functionality!

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wagnerrp:

if someone wants, #7817 can be closed

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wagnerrp:

mythweather proper does no such quoting

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wagnerrp:

so any plugin that doesnt work with mythweb isnt going to work with mythweather anyway

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wagnerrp:

s/plugin/grabber/

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jheizer:

Hey all

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jheizer:

got what I am guessing is a stupid questions, where to I change the channel format from 19_1 19.1 in .22?

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jheizer:

been redoing things and running out of time and can't find it quickly

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k_ross:

the channel editor

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jheizer:

oh, just rename after scanning now?

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k_ross:

the mythweb channel editor would be quicker, if you have mythweb set up

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jheizer:

k, thanks

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jheizer:

wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking it

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jheizer:

comcast is dropping a QAM HD channel Jan 1 so trying to switch back to ATSC

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jheizer:

can't say I miss messing with an antenna

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k_ross:

any move that drops comcast is a good move

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jheizer:

still have their analog service sadly

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jheizer:

was just looking today and dish and directv, will cost more to switch to them for the very basic service i am happy with

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wagnerrp:

apparently theyre dropping analog completely in areas

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jheizer:

yeah, why I was looking as well

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jheizer:

dropped it in Chicago and I am 150 miles away

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jheizer:

so know it must be coming

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kormoc:

Comcast is a franchise, so distance doesn't really matter...

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Dagmar:

The one thing you can count on is that they're all looking to screw you

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jheizer:

yeah, just when you hear about it far away in Cali and places you don;t really register it

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jheizer:

but when you visit family and see it you start thinking

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Dagmar:

"This is the company that tried to make me into a felon"

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dcr2261:

hi all, can anyone tell me where the frontend configs (specifically ui rendering type) are, openGL is crashing my frontend, and I cant get far enough into the settings to change back to qt

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[R]:

dcr2261: in the db... with everything else

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dcr2261:

[R]: any idea which table?

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iamlindoro:

don't touch the DB

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro:

case sensitive

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iamlindoro:

then go change it in the UI

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dcr2261:

iamlindoro: nice one, just found mythconverg.settings, but straight from cli suits me fine

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Dagmar:

Never screw with the database unless there's NO other options available

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Dagmar:

...and even then you should probably ask someone who knows the system well before you do that

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[R]:

cuz then you'll do something stupid like wiping out your settings table

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[R]:

:(

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Dagmar:

...or putting some bogus value in that breaks everything.

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Dagmar:

Like most apps, Myth assumes that what comes from the database isn't stark-raving-bonkere

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Dagmar:

er bonkers

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Dagmar:

Man I just don't even know why the kiddies bother DDoSing freenode

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[R]:

i need to set up mythmusic

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[R]:

Dagmar: cuz its cool

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Dagmar:

I can only surmise that it's the actions of the kiddies that are so dim the other kiddies have run them off of the less-monitored networks

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oobe:

http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/chatroom/topic/1104

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Dagmar:

oobe: Go back to 4chan, please.

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oobe:

tis funny

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hipitihop:

anyone here using plugplayer on iphone as upnp renderer ?

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: thanks for applying #7741

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, np

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is there anything I need to setup to see mythv backend as a upnp server or what address do I need to use on a upnp client since it seems to want address to an xml file

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[R]:

hipitihop: unpn works with broadcast packets and no client should need any configuration

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: the only thing you need to do is make sure mythtv is set up to use a routable IP (not 127.0.0.1)

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hipitihop:

[R], wagnerrp I'm trying to use plugplayer on iphone, and it sees myth as a renderer, but not as a server, I can add a device manually buy it is expecting some xml description

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wagnerrp:

hipitihop: its seeing the frontend

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wagnerrp:

if you do not give mythbackend a routable IP, the UPNP server will be disabled

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, yes that makes sense, so should it also not see the backend ?

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wagnerrp:

if you do not give mythbackend a routable IP, the UPNP server will be disabled

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kormoc:

it might not support the upnp server myth announces as

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wagnerrp:

is myth using a routable IP?

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, checking mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, first option, first page, is there something other than 127.0.0.1

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kormoc:

urn:schemas-mythtv-org:device:MasterMediaServer:1

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waxhead:

afternoon all

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, sorry taking so long... loging in remotely via wireless and ssh so taking a while

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hipitihop:

wagnerrp, yep that worked, changed ip from 127.0.0.1 and now works... many thanks

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hipitihop:

well, I can see listings and things but yet to sucessfully play a recording

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iamlindoro:

Myth's uPnP server has no transcoder, the iPhone player needs to be able to handle the container and codecs of all your content

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iamlindoro:

many uPnP clients cannot

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hipitihop:

iamlindoro, what container format does the uPnP server use ? and is it not possible to setup automatic transcodings tasks as things get recorded ?

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt use one

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wagnerrp:

it just sends the file directly

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wagnerrp:

whatever the recording is, thats what it sends

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hipitihop:

so its mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

if thats what youre recording

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hipitihop:

<shrug> standard backend setup

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wagnerrp:

what type of tuner?

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clever:

it depends more on the card

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waxhead:

oh.. someone else is having problems with recordings not playing?

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** waxhead still can't play recordings **

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wagnerrp:

only over upnp

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waxhead:

ah...

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waxhead:

not the same thing

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waxhead:

I did find for some reason I had an entry in hosts on the backend which was pointing to 127.0.0.1

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waxhead:

I thought that might fix it...

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waxhead:

didn't

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MTughan__:

Is there a known bug with 0.22-fixes where the frontend will try to connect to localhost despite the entered IP address? It's happening to me on OS X.

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wagnerrp:

MTughan__: it means either you have not entered both proper local and master backend IPs in mythtv-setup, or the frontend does not have proper mysql credentials and is falling back to defaults

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MTughan__:

wagnerrp: What should I be looking for in the logs for invalid credentials?

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MTughan__:

Because I do see "MythFrontend[24801] 2009-12–28 22:32:00.141 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.1.215" in the logs, but after a couple more messages, I see that it times out connecting to localhost.

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MTughan__:

Is that second value actually taken from the server, and should have an IP address in the backend?

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wagnerrp:

both from the database, both IPs

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wagnerrp:

its the two IPs you enter in the first page of the first section of mythtv-setup

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MTughan__:

Okay. I think both of those are set to localhost ATM, so I'll have to check that later.

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wagnerrp:

you cant set them to localhost, they dont take a hostname

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wagnerrp:

they take an IP

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MTughan__:

Maybe 127.0.0.1 then. Equivalent to localhost.

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wagnerrp:

well you *can* set them to localhost, and mythtv-setup wont complain, but it will be a completely broken setup

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MTughan__:

The frontend does work on the combined frontend/backend, so they're probably 127.0.0.1.

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MTughan__:

wagnerrp: Yep, that was it. They were both set to 127.0.0.1. Setting them to the IP address fixes it. Thanks.

[03:46:17]

waxhead:

I'm going to rebuild myth from scratch... can I restore my recordings data using the myth_restore.pl --partial-restore ?

[03:46:51]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt use partial restore

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waxhead:

wagnerrp, that's twhat the wiki says too

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waxhead:

the problem is if I restore the full database I can't record

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waxhead:

so I'm going to try doing everything from scratch and see if that works

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waxhead:

but then I want all my recordings back...

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waxhead:

and my music...

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waxhead:

and my photos..

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waxhead:

or should I restore all and then truncate the settings table and 'rebuild' that way?

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wagnerrp:

well you cant get your photos back

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waxhead:

wagnerrp, no?

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waxhead:

hmm.. well the files are there so that's something

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing to get, mythgallery is little more than a file browser

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waxhead:

ah... sure...

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waxhead:

makes sence

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Guest57524:

got disconnected and not sure if my other message went through, can i use the firewire port on my vip1200 to capture hdtv?

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Dagmar:

You can *try*

[03:53:32]

Dagmar:

Odds of success are about as good as a lottery ticket.

[03:53:55]

Dagmar:

Generally, your cable company would rather chew hot coals than let you have easy access to the digital stream, regardless of what the FCC has said about it.

[03:54:07]

Dagmar:

You can proably use the firewire port and a firewire card to change channels tho

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____jon:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#Single_ST . . . Box.29_setup would this be the way to try?

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clever:

Dagmar: ive noticed that its easyer to spy on the video-on-demand then record over firewire:P

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clever:

Dagmar: ive found the VOD on clear-qam

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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clever:

dont know what idiot puts the VOD streams on clear-qam

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[R]:

changing channels over firewire rules

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[R]:

except its not easy to send a rangom keypress over firewire

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[R]:

which i really want

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Dagmar:

clever: I've been such a good boy through this random bullspit Comcast has put me through that I haven't even looked into that

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clever:

Dagmar: we stumbled upon it just by mistake when seting up the HDTV, it found the channels with its own internal scanner

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Dagmar:

Yeha you woulnd't be the first

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Dagmar:

The only reason they don't worry about it is because you have no control over those

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clever:

dad says he stumbled upon lesbian porn last night when checking those channels :P

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Dagmar:

They dont' care if people steal the service, they care if people pirate the material

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[R]:

ROFL

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wagnerrp:

slade (slate?) had some article talking about that way back in 2006

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Dagmar:

yep

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clever:

Dagmar: i can probly setup a single digital tuner to capture all 10 of the VOD channels, and then pick out each seperate movie later on

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clever:

though id have to deal with people fast forwarding and pausing for popcorn

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Dagmar:

Yeah but you can't do anything about if they _stop_ or fast forward it etc

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clever:

exactly

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clever:

but the way things are going, 'the international' was on twice tonight

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clever:

i can just pick the better of the 5 copies:P

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Dagmar:

For the time you're wasting you can go rent it from Redbox for a dollar

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clever:

probly

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Dagmar:

I'll be picking up Terminator: Salvation on the way home tonight. (Yes, I haven't seen it yet)

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clever:

i think i saw that one in theater

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: and get a better copy to boot

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clever:

yeah, these VOD streams are only 480i

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achew22:

With a firewire box is there any way to tell the most appropriate speed to use?

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wagnerrp:

speed?

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achew22:

Yes, it says ["100mbps", "200mbps", "400mbps", "800mbps"] as my options

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kormoc:

whatever works?

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Dagmar:

You want the option that says "OMGFAST" if it appears.

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achew22:

So there is no real advice on which one to use?

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wagnerrp:

even 100mbps should be plenty fast for a single ~20mbps channel

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Dagmar:

"Use the fastest one?"

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Dagmar:

This isn't hard for most people, man.

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wagnerrp:

firewire should autonegotiate what you want anyway

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Dagmar:

It's like ethernet.

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Dagmar:

Did you ask someone if you wanted to set your NIC to 10base-T or 100base-T?

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achew22:

I don't know anything about firewire. For all I know the standard requires both ends to negotiate (out of band) for their broadcast speed

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Dagmar:

How, pray tell, would they negotiate this out of band?

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wagnerrp:

fingernet

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achew22:

Manuals

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Okay there's that

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kormoc:

Manuals? I never thought that books could negotiate things

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achew22:

No but they can state standards

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kormoc:

they have, 100, 200, 400, and 800

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achew22:

Okay, I am just trying to make a firewire device work and I'm trying everything.

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Dagmar:

Generally if it does 800 there'll be a little 800. Either way, just set it to max and let it negotiate things itself

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waxhead:

FFS.. now I can't scan and find any channels...

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smcmurray:

I can't seem to get past step 2 of the post-install process at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initia . . . nstall_tasks

[04:33:17]

smcmurray:

the instructions for setting up a user don't work

[04:34:04]

smcmurray:

specifically, I can't set password for a user that doesn't exist

[04:34:29]

smcmurray:

did I miss the instruction for CREATE USER?

[04:34:57]

[R]:

what error are you geting?

[04:35:01]

Dagmar:

Which user?

[04:35:13]

** cesman assumes mythtv... **

[04:35:23]

Dagmar:

cesman: I'll wait for the answer

[04:35:48]

cesman:

smcmurray: at the very top of link, I see "sudo useradd mythtv"

[04:36:34]

Dagmar:

I'm figuring he skipped the Installation steps part and by typing in allcaps was referring to some mysql command

[04:41:25]

smcmurray:

yeah. error creating user mythtv

[04:41:29]

sphery:

smcmurray: the mysql to create the user is just below (though that page is really outdated and kind of wrong)

[04:41:43]

sphery:

"Then you have to create a database and let the user set above access it "

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sphery:

creates the mythtv user for mysql

[04:42:02]

sphery:

though the proper way is to use mc.sql to create the initial database

[04:42:18]

sphery:

mysql -u root -p < database/mc.sql

[04:42:24]

smcmurray:

I created the user, but can't connect using it

[04:42:37]

sphery:

(where mc.sql may be in your distro's share dir structure for myth)

[04:42:56]

Dagmar:

So go back to the start of the install instructions and start over

[04:43:09]

Dagmar:

Don't just lob in the packages and then skip straight to the post-install steps

[04:43:40]

sphery:

smcmurray: the MySQL authorization system is complex and has distinct permissions based on username, password, /and/ hostname

[04:43:47]

achew22:

My mythbox is tuning in a DCH3200 (Motorola and is claimed to be supported by myth in a lot of places). It says "Signal 100%" and has the L (I think that means lock) but it doesn't get AM (I don't remember what those stand for). When I change the channel the physical STB gets the signal properly over firewire and does change channels but I never get video. Does anyone have any ideas on ways to fix this?

[04:44:12]

sphery:

smcmurray: and allows multiple overlapping definitions, so it's likely you have one that's overriding the one you just set

[04:44:28]

Dagmar:

achew22: Yes. Call up your cable company and say "F**k you guys."

[04:44:31]

smcmurray:

sphery: right.

[04:44:47]

Dagmar:

Next, call your congressman and tell him you want an open cable standard YESTERDAY.

[04:44:57]

smcmurray:

sphery: I was hoping to see some accurate install docs that would walk me through it.

[04:44:57]

sphery:

achew22: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning (for meanings)

[04:45:16]

Dagmar:

If you don't get video over firewire, try something like PBS first.

[04:45:22]

sphery:

smcmurray: the most up-to-date is http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html , but it's hardly a walkthrough

[04:45:29]

Dagmar:

For every other channel, the reason is going to probably be "Your cable company is an a**hole"

[04:45:30]

sphery:

more of a "view from 30,000 feet"

[04:46:04]

waxhead:

smcmurray, trying connecting as root and then connect to the mythcoverg db

[04:46:27]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: I don't quite understand your statements above

[04:46:36]

achew22:

sphery: so L means a partial lock which means that I have 5c encryption on my box?

[04:46:50]

Dagmar:

smcmurray: That's because you're not the only person in here

[04:46:55]

smcmurray:

after lobbing in packages, why shouldn't I start with 'Post Install'?

[04:47:03]

smcmurray:

ah

[04:47:05]

Dagmar:

smcmurray: Because there's THINGS YOU MUST DO

[04:47:09]

sphery:

achew22: very likely

[04:47:20]

Dagmar:

Simply lobbing the packages into the system WILL NOT make it work

[04:47:29]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: ok. I'm trying to learn it.

[04:47:34]

Dagmar:

So, read _all_ the installation instructions and follow them

[04:47:44]

achew22:

sphery: I was under the impression FCC regulated that OTA channels had to be clear. Is that wrong?

[04:47:49]

sphery:

achew22: basically, the channel is tuned and we're getting data, but we don't understand any of it (likely because it's encrypted)

[04:47:55]

Dagmar:

achew22: That is the case yes

[04:47:56]

sphery:

not over firewire

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smcmurray:

Dagmar: the instructions previous to 'Post Install' deal with downloading the source and compiling

[04:48:10]

Dagmar:

This is why you can generally expect to get PBS over firewire, but little else

[04:48:17]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: I skimmed that

[04:48:44]

achew22:

Interesting you would say that because I tuned PBS in (on purpose) and that wast he channel that it didn't load on. Is Point to point or broadcast better?

[04:48:46]

Dagmar:

smcmurray: Then the thing you are reading is not the installation instructiongs. Go back to mythtv.org and look for something that _is_ installation instructions

[04:48:49]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: is there something specific I missed that would allow me to connect to mysql?

[04:49:26]

Dagmar:

smcmurray: I'm sorry, I'm not about to get in the business of hand-holding installations for peopel when I know for a fact that the documentation does tell people what steps to follow

[04:49:28]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: something before the 'create database' part in the 'Post Install' instructions?

[04:50:09]

sphery:

smcmurray: the MythTV answer is http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html , but it's extremely undetails... the details are at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/index.html

[04:50:15]

sphery:

(which you don't want to read)

[04:50:26]

sphery:

smcmurray: any reason you're not using a MythTV distribution and/or MythTV packages?

[04:50:40]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: it's perfectly understandable that you might lose patience with clueless people like myself

[04:50:46]

sphery:

MythBuntu does all that stuff for you, for example

[04:50:51]

smcmurray:

Dagmar: but please try to be civil

[04:50:56]

Dagmar:

No.

[04:51:28]

Dagmar:

There wasn't anything uncivil about what I said, and I will never tolerate that kind of argument being levvied at me either.

[04:51:50]

Dagmar:

I am *not* hand-holding for people who won't read directions.

[04:51:51]

Dagmar:

There is no point.

[04:51:53]

smcmurray:

sphery: thx. I'll start reading

[04:52:23]

mzb:

are any of the "normal" keys available when using mythavtest?

[04:52:34]

mzb:

I've not found any of them to work (so far)

[04:54:23]

Dagmar:

Probably the ones for "stop"

[04:54:28]

sphery:

note that mythavtest isn't an application meant for general use

[04:54:32]

mzb:

heh

[04:54:40]

mzb:

yep, I recall being told that

[04:54:42]

sphery:

it's for doing testing of the audio/video subsystem in Myth

[04:55:06]

mzb:

however, I'm trying to find a *nice* way playing my random music videos *and* have OSD

[04:55:07]

Dagmar:

It's _just_ meant to test the player. I didn't even knwo about it until you mentioned it, I thought "wtf" and Googled it up. http://www.cuymedia.com/mythtv-trunk/group__testing.html

[04:55:37]

mzb:

it's been previously suggested that I should give it a go to find out

[04:55:47]

sphery:

I'd say give MythVideo a go

[04:56:04]

mzb:

that won't do a playlist though, right?

[04:56:20]

sphery:

only through the "File to always play next"

[04:56:30]

mzb:

no thanks

[04:56:35]

mzb:

not suitable

[04:56:52]

mzb:

>1600 videos atm

[04:57:05]

sphery:

unless the video is either a MythVideo or MythTV video, you won't get OSD with mythavtest (and maybe not even then)

[04:57:12]

Dagmar:

Dude that's enough that it would be worth looking into writing something to do it

[04:57:26]

mzb:

am looking at it now (osd) ... it works over mythavtest

[04:57:28]

Dagmar:

That's a LOT of videos

[04:57:33]

mzb:

:)

[04:57:41]

mzb:

recorded, not downloaded, btw

[04:57:50]

kormoc:

I just shelled to mplayer with a random playlist and set it up to support lirc as well

[04:57:58]

mzb:

me2

[04:58:10]

mzb:

but no OSD is a little sad

[04:58:37]

kormoc:

I don't miss it personally

[04:58:56]

smcmurray:

sphery: hm. that worked peachy

[04:58:59]

smcmurray:

thx

[04:59:00]

mzb:

also means I *have* to use keychain remotes rather than the main remotes to avoid (certain people) selecting menu items while music playing

[04:59:19]

** kormoc blinks **

[04:59:41]

mzb:

maybe that's a focus issue I should address ;)

[04:59:46]

sphery:

smcmurray: great...

[04:59:53]

mzb:

err ... no hang on

[05:00:08]

sphery:

smcmurray: we should really update that page you found (to point to the proper procedure)

[05:00:09]

mzb:

it's because of the wiiremote talking through the telnet socket

[05:00:31]

mzb:

doesn't matter which is in focuse ... wiiremote will always control menu/etc

[05:00:34]

kormoc:

ahh

[05:00:42]

mzb:

s/focus

[05:00:54]

waxhead:

in video sources I can't get the channels in mythtv

[05:01:11]

sphery:

mzb: you just need to have Myth start your mplayer playlist through an EXEC action

[05:01:23]

mzb:

I have s/mplayer/mythavtest (and done a cat/while read/ instead of a playlist) and it works

[05:01:29]

waxhead:

I've run the xmltv grabber for au, but when it finishes there aren't any channels mapped to the guide data

[05:01:31]

sphery:

waxhead: where are you in the world?

[05:01:37]

sphery:

answered...

[05:01:40]

waxhead:

sphery, au

[05:01:47]

sphery:

waxhead: analog TV?

[05:02:01]

mzb:

sphery, exec action? as in bash exec, or?

[05:02:02]

waxhead:

sphery, digital

[05:02:15]

waxhead:

sphery, both maybe...

[05:02:32]

achew22:

sphery: are there any definitive tests to see if it is 5c encryption or something else

[05:02:45]

sphery:

mzb: MythTV menu EXEC

[05:02:50]

waxhead:

I'm running shepherd to get the guide data.. it has a -configure-mythtv option, but that didn't work either

[05:02:52]

sphery:

mzb: in the frontend menus

[05:02:56]

waxhead:

I've lost my channels...

[05:03:23]

mzb:

sphery, you've lost me (might be the heat;)

[05:03:27]

sphery:

waxhead: mythfilldatabase will never add channels for digital sources because the listings don't contain enough information to tune them

[05:03:35]

sphery:

waxhead: for digital, you /have/ to scan for channels

[05:03:35]

mzb:

(and a lack of beer;)

[05:03:55]

sphery:

waxhead: for analog, it's best to use the grabber to get channel info, but that may not work with all listings providers

[05:04:32]

mzb:

waxhead, http://svn.whuffy.com/wiki/Installation ... best join the mailing list

[05:04:49]

mzb:

these foreigners won't be able to help you with shepherd ;)

[05:05:32]

sphery:

mzb: grep -r EXEC /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes

[05:05:40]

mzb:

thank you

[05:05:51]

waxhead:

sphery, ok.. when scanning it doesn't find any channels

[05:06:28]

sphery:

waxhead: make sure you can get the capture card working outside of Myth first

[05:06:36]

sphery:

test it with, i.e. dvb tools, etc.

[05:07:47]

sphery:

oh, and I don't know anything about Australian TV or Sheperd (save that your networks don't really follow the schedules), so if you can find someone else from the area, you'll likely get much better info

[05:08:21]

waxhead:

sphery, if I restore the db I have all the channels etc fine

[05:08:24]

waxhead:

this is a working system

[05:08:40]

waxhead:

the problem I'm trying overcome is the recordings aren't working

[05:08:47]

sphery:

waxhead: also, might want to see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings

[05:08:56]

sphery:

waxhead: why wouldn't you restore the db?

[05:09:02]

waxhead:

when I say that, it says it's recording but you can't get the file

[05:09:07]

waxhead:

and htere's no file created

[05:09:31]

waxhead:

this has been a labour the last two days.. I'm at my wits end.. so I'm going a totally clean install from scratch

[05:09:54]

waxhead:

no point having a pvr that isn't recording anything

[05:09:57]

sphery:

sounds like you need a rescan

[05:10:03]

sphery:

I'd recommend restoring your DB

[05:10:06]

sphery:

then doing a full rescan

[05:10:27]

waxhead:

rescan of what?

[05:10:30]

waxhead:

channels?

[05:10:39]

sphery:

if you have to, Delete all video sources (which will clear /all/ channel-related info, but without clearing all your settings and your old recordings and ...)

[05:10:45]

sphery:

yeah, rescan channels

[05:10:49]

waxhead:

why?

[05:10:56]

waxhead:

TV works fine

[05:10:58]

sphery:

more info on the delete all: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[05:11:18]

sphery:

including the statement, "Your input connections configuration is broken. And, yes, you can still record LiveTV this way... "

[05:11:28]

sphery:

meaning that just because LiveTV works, that doesn't mean you have it configured properly

[05:11:38]

waxhead:

oh..

[05:11:42]

waxhead:

ok I'll try that...

[05:11:49]

waxhead:

honestly it's been a slog

[05:11:49]

sphery:

and it sounds like in your backed-up DB, you have everything except a proper input connections configuration

[05:12:16]

sphery:

a very common symptom of that breakage is "LiveTV works, recordings don't."

[05:12:21]

waxhead:

sphery, possible.. because this is an upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22 with a clean rebuild of mythbuntu

[05:12:35]

sphery:

make sure you do a full restore of the DB

[05:12:39]

sphery:

don't do a partial restore

[05:12:50]

waxhead:

ok.. I see what you mean.. this is the best lead to date

[05:12:54]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore

[05:13:16]

waxhead:

sphery, I'm getting really good at that now.. can nearly do it with out looking at anything

[05:13:24]

sphery:

heh, good

[05:13:42]

sphery:

I'm well practiced, too (after doing >1000 backups/restores of Myth DB's)

[05:14:06]

** sphery wasted far too much of his time working on DB character encoding breakage that didn't even affect him **

[05:14:39]

waxhead:

WAF is low here.. I've spent a lot of time in front of the TV trying to get it all to work

[05:15:01]

sphery:

It's definitely a hobby

[05:15:11]

waxhead:

it's a requirement here..

[05:15:19]

waxhead:

too many shows are recorded with it

[05:15:32]

sphery:

WAF increases significantly when you have a "test system" to upgrade/test things before rolling them out to the real system :)

[05:15:39]

waxhead:

ok.. db restored..

[05:15:50]

waxhead:

so delete all video sources huh?

[05:16:02]

sphery:

You can try doing a full scan first

[05:16:04]

sphery:

it may not work

[05:16:21]

sphery:

If you do a delete all video sources and then get a good scan, that will work

[05:16:28]

sphery:

"getting a good scan" being the challeng

[05:16:55]

sphery:

(especially as the new scanner is in a bit of a still-being-worked-on state)

[05:17:03]

Dagmar:

Light some incence and break out the ritual rubber chicken.

[05:17:09]

Dagmar:

ALWAYS use an RFC-compliant rubber chicken.

[05:17:16]

sphery:

heh

[05:17:47]

Dagmar:

Without the RFC to refer back to, you're just some bloke shaking a rubber chicken.

[05:18:26]

sphery:

When I was first setting up my digital system, I learned the hard way that 2:30am is a terrible time to do a channel scan (at that time, many of the channels were off air because the digital channels got turned off at late night around here :)

[05:20:48]

mzb:

waxhead, yes, in the same boat here re WAF, but after >2yrs it's got easier ... both because the system is better _and_ her expectations are probably lower ;))

[05:20:54]

mzb:

(.tas.au)

[05:21:11]

waxhead:

seems to be the way.. lower their expectation..

[05:21:21]

mzb:

:))

[05:21:27]

Dagmar:

YES! http://thereifixedit.com/2009/12/28/viva-la-music-revolution/

[05:21:43]

wagnerrp:

Tasmania doesnt get their own TLD?

[05:21:48]

mzb:

yep, make sure it stuffs up for >12mths ... *then* give her something that works *most* of the time ;)

[05:22:04]

mzb:

tender loving dog?

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waxhead:

sphery, where do I do the full channel scan?

[05:22:37]

waxhead:

in channel editor or somewhere lese?

[05:22:45]

sphery:

mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: without the shield, wouldnt that sound like ass?

[05:22:54]

sphery:

I think it's in the Input Connections area

[05:23:04]

mzb:

wagnerrp, TLD?

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Dagmar:

You know, for some reason I suspect someone using Lego minifigs to complete a connection really isn't going to care all that much

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sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps the coat of arms is a good substitute for a shield

[05:23:27]

wagnerrp:

i know ive foolishly purchased (extremely cheap) unshielded RCA cables, and they they looked awful

[05:23:45]

wagnerrp:

mzb: country-code-Top-Level-Domain

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Dagmar:

Eventually they'll probably wrap the little guy in tinfoil and that'll complete the connection

[05:24:01]

mzb:

wagnerrp, no, we're not a country :)

[05:24:55]

wagnerrp:

mzb: well neither is Puerto Rico, but that doesnt stop them from having a registrar and olympic team

[05:25:16]

waxhead:

sphery, where in myth-setup? Any of the places you can do a scan?

[05:25:29]

sphery:

Input Connections

[05:25:37]

mzb:

Labor government removed our right (as a founding state) to secede from .au about 20 yrs ago

[05:25:43]

sphery:

should have had that all on the same line :)

[05:25:55]

mzb:

but tbh, we don't have the population to support independence

[05:26:40]

wagnerrp:

technically, claiming independence is one of the very few rights you cant take away

[05:26:41]

waxhead:

sphery, thanks.. nothings coming up...

[05:27:08]

wagnerrp:

you can claim it all the way up to the point they shoot you

[05:27:09]

sphery:

:(

[05:28:01]

waxhead:

well seems I can watch tv, pause live tv etc, just can't record anything...

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mzb:

got anything in your schedules?

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Dagmar:

They dont' have to shoot you, you know.

[05:30:31]

Dagmar:

They can just deport you into international waters with a pair of water wings and cheerful wave goodbye.

[05:30:57]

wagnerrp:

well this is fun... compile complaining about not having a header, and there it is, right in /usr/include/

[05:31:10]

wagnerrp:

ls -l

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mzb:

sphery, thanks for the suggestion but not sure I'm capable of working EXEC(TV?) out atm (too hot) .. might look at it later

[05:32:27]

sphery:

basically, the idea is once mythfrontend starts a program using EXEC (or EXECTV), it starts ignoring all LIRC messages and keystrokes until the external program exits.

[05:32:41]

sphery:

so in the menu, use EXEC to call a script that starts your playlist

[05:32:41]

waxhead:

ok.. that's me done.. I can't get recordings to work at all....

[05:33:00]

waxhead:

sphery, thanks for the assist... I'll take another look at it later tonight...

[05:33:13]

waxhead:

TBH I'm pushing the limits with spending so much time on this...

[05:33:55]

sphery:

oh, and you don't want EXECTV. EXECTV is for running an external program /and/ "checking out" a TV capture card (so Myth won't use the capture card when your external program is)

[05:34:11]

mzb:

sphery, sounds like a nice idea. No idea where to put it (blue-abstract theme also confusing me). nm, I'll look at it when it's <30C ;)

[05:34:13]

mzb:

ah, ic

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sphery:

waxhead: sorry I can't be more help

[05:34:54]

mzb:

I'll see if standing in my (poorly ventilated) greenhouse makes it feel cooler inside ;))

[05:35:01]

sphery:

but--assuming your hardware and system software is working properly--the problem is in that area and until you get a good scan and associate the listings with the scanned channels, you won't get recordigns to work

[05:35:14]

sphery:

mzb: how hot there?

[05:35:34]

sphery:

just after the start of summer there, right?

[05:35:35]

wagnerrp:

i forget, is C case sensitive?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: C, the language? if so, yes

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sphery:

(like any good language :)

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wagnerrp:

i know why the pvr drivers dont compile under freebsd... the developer got eaten by a raptor

[05:37:18]

wagnerrp:

look at all these 'goto's littered around

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Hilikus:

how do i change the default font (or just the size) in mythbrowser? it's tinny

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I thought it was shark attacks plaguing you guys

[05:37:52]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, thats only if you try to dual boot

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sphery:

Hilikus: use the zoom (it remembers the setting)... Probably accessible from MENU (M)

[05:38:07]

Hilikus:

it doesn't for me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I see

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Hilikus:

weird

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wagnerrp:

http://xkcd.com/292/

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sphery:

doesn't remember?

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Hilikus:

i have to zoom in every time

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Hilikus:

no, it doesnt remember

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wagnerrp:

font size is theme controlled now isnt it?

[05:38:49]

wagnerrp:

the user doesnt have control any longer?

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Hilikus:

also, if possible i would like to just increase the font size, not zoom in cause then to get to a reasonable font size you have to blow up pictures

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sphery:

wagnerrp: browser allows some setting of font size

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sphery:

Hilikus: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/402665#402665

[05:44:29]

sphery:

If you're doing that

[05:44:35]

sphery:

and you're exiting properly

[05:44:38]

sphery:

and it's not working

[05:45:09]

mzb:

31C inside, >40C in the greenhouse ... tomatoes not liking it :|

[05:45:28]

mzb:

(in spite of my water&fan cooling methods)

[05:45:43]

sphery:

update your mythtv install (as it may have been fixed post release--or, if you're using a default MythBuntu install post their-grabbing-of-a-pre-release-version-because-we-didn't-finish-release-before- their-cutoff)

[05:47:08]

sphery:

mzb: wow... that's hot. We almost never go above 35C here

[05:47:49]

sphery:

and my air conditioner keeps inside at about 27C

[05:47:52]

mzb:

official temp says 20C, but that's in the shade with a sea breeze (I think)

[05:48:00]

mzb:

celing fan turns on at 26C

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mzb:

ceiling

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Dagmar:

Take that C and replace it with an F and you've got the reason I hate you people right no

[05:48:08]

Dagmar:

w

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sphery:

heh

[05:48:25]

mzb:

but forgot to open doors on the cold side of the house ;)

[05:48:34]

mzb:

feeling better now

[05:49:05]

mzb:

need to come up with an intake fan for the greenhouse ... need to find my (large stash of) fans

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, people's wiki editing skills (and basic grammar, spelling, and word choice) are embarassing

[05:49:39]

sphery:

specific pages?

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVR, one of the few that I care to keep relatively accurate

[05:50:00]

** sphery checks your recent edits **

[05:51:05]

Dagmar:

Hey nice, some guy named Ver put up more illustrations of barrel connectors

[05:51:12]

sphery:

I thought the action you performed to create a backup was "to back up"

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I agree, thus my fixing the instances of that

[05:51:40]

iamlindoro:

"backup this file," etc.

[05:51:48]

sphery:

oh... /me read the diff backwards

[05:52:10]

sphery:

too late for me to be thinking

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sphery:

back to watching TV

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iamlindoro:

I'm also more than a little suspicious of instructions that tell the user to compile a patched kernel module and copy it in manually

[05:52:30]

iamlindoro:

which while doable is a recipe for disaster

[05:52:35]

mzb:

also need to add analogue inputs for temp so I can do some graphs ;) (and control)

[05:52:39]

mzb:

ie: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTip . . . per_week.png

[05:52:49]

mzb:

helps with irrigation (automatic)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: package management is highly overrated

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Dagmar:

By who?

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sphery:

and a clean package database is so unnecessary

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Dagmar:

People who light incense to it and ask it to bless their firstborn?

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sphery:

that was sarcasm :)

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Dagmar:

...or just people who fap to it?

[05:53:53]

Dagmar:

Now you get to guess how much of _that_ was sarcasm

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Dagmar:

muahahahaha

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sphery:

heh

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mzb:

sphery, what for a custom EXEC entry which "<type>" should I be using?

[05:58:44]

mzb:

(or doesn't it matter)

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sphery:

I don't know theme stuff, so I can't tell you, but I'd guess it just determines which picture is shown on the button or something

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mzb:

ah, ok ... trying now

[06:04:32]

mzb:

yep, that seems to work ok ... thanks sphery

[06:05:00]

sphery:

cool

[06:05:20]

smcmurray:

I am able to play dvd just fine, but can't import dvd

[06:05:48]

smcmurray:

it goes to the screen that says Job 1 of 1, but doesn't have anything else

[06:06:04]

smcmurray:

shouldn't it list VOBs?

[06:06:13]

hipitihop:

is the network control of option on frontend intended for uPnP client based control of the frontend or is that something else ?

[06:06:28]

sphery:

smcmurray: maybe try a different theme?

[06:06:40]

sphery:

(or several, as many of htem are just using default)

[06:06:49]

smcmurray:

k

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[R]:

hipitihop: no, its meant for telnet control and/or mythweb control

[06:07:17]

smcmurray:

also, is there a way to switch between apps when myth takes over the screen?

[06:07:33]

[R]:

smcmurray: alt tab

[06:07:53]

smcmurray:

alt+tab doesn't seem to be effective

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[R]:

are you running a window manager?

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smcmurray:

it works until myth loads, then it doesn't

[06:08:19]

smcmurray:

yes

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[R]:

thats weird

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mzb:

now I just need to modify the (slightly crazy) wii code to detect if mplayer is running ;)

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smcmurray:

standard gnome

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[R]:

and you're sure other windows are open?

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smcmurray:

I'll try again

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smcmurray:

yes. this one, for instance

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wagnerrp:

mzb: have you tried the new event system in place of your pre/post-roll stuff?

[06:09:28]

hipitihop:

[R], I see, the iphone uPnP client I'm trying to use sees the front-end as a renderer so I thought I could use it as a remote control

[06:09:31]

smcmurray:

[R]: and there are other workspaces

[06:09:44]

mzb:

not yet ... very keen to, but probably should wait until >new year (hosting party here)

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[R]:

hipitihop: i think there is some myth iphone stuff

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hipitihop:

[R], I'll google about ... I just bought PlugPlayer app but alas can't use it to play since myth is not transcoding via upnp and can't use it as remote either grrr

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[R]:

hipitihop: if you transcode them after you record them... then it'll be in the correct format

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smcmurray:

[R]: ok. I lied. it does work

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hipitihop:

[R], happy to do so, do you have link handy to set that up as automatic transcoding job ?

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[R]:

smcmurray: of course it does

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[R]:

hipitihop: its in the wiki

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hipitihop:

but someone else here said that the upnp on myth did not transcode so would the transcoded versions be made available over upnp ?

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[R]:

if you replace the original file

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[R]:

with the transcoded file

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hipitihop:

eek, that would mean normal fontend would be forced to also use the transcoded files

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wagnerrp:

fantastic... because some dolt lit himself on fire with crotch chemicals, we can no longer have any form of communication on aircraft

[06:17:19]

wagnerrp:

no phone, internet, live tv, gps...

[06:18:09]

wagnerrp:

it also seems EVERYONE must get frisked prior to boarding

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[R]:

well its a good thing i hate to fly

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: Wow... talk about a silly overreaction

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wagnerrp:

directives valid until dec 30th

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wagnerrp:

why even bother

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mzb:

yay, basic music video control with the py_wii ;) (should improve WAF a bit)

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[R]:

oh mna

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[R]:

i applied that thing in the frontend settings

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[R]:

to do a % adjustment to the picture

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[R]:

and it got rid of that crappy noise at the top of my recordingds

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ope:

hi, how can I prevent the commflag jobs globally or better, for commercial free broadcast stations (which can be 'checked' in mythweb)

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[R]:

ope: huh?

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Gorlist:

Morning, slight ongoing problem – fresh install of Ubuntu 9.10, and MythTv from the repo. HVR-1200, is working, with Kaffeine set to a offset of 1677Khz? it pick up all of the channels and I can watch them

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Gorlist:

however MythTV doesn't – ive tried increasing the timeout values to maximum

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Gorlist:

but regardless it can't detect anything

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lsolesen:

Gorlist: I am having the same problem. Strange.

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Gorlist:

lsolesen, right!

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Gorlist:

lsolesen, well thats some comfort as I thought it was just my end

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Gorlist:

lsolesen, perhaps the current repo one is buggged

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mzb:

pastebin logs of scan attempts?

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mzb:

not saying I can help, but vague problems are rarely answered (nicely)

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mzb:

(we're all too busy using our mythtv systems I guess:)

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Gorlist:

mzb, sorry fiddling with gnome-do – where would I find the logs of scan attempts?

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mzb:

run mythtv-setup from a console with "-v all" (or similar)

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mzb:

"-v help" will give you the options

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Gorlist:

thanks

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mzb:

good luck ... you're probably on a different part of the planet to me, but at least problem AND log is more likely to find the problem and/or get further suggestions

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Gorlist:

just trying now

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mzb:

(you're also asking during a fairly quiet period of the day;)

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Gorlist:

:)

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mzb:

so if you fail to get an answer (I'm about to watch "stuff" now) you might want to try again in 4–6 hours

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** mzb out **

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Gorlist:

rgr, thanks

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trumee:

is it possible to view mp4 files in mythgallery?

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trumee:

mythgallery ignores my mp4 files

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[R]:

mp4 as in audio...?

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trumee:

no video.

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trumee:

some capturesi have done using my mobile camera

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[R]:

pretty sure mythgallery is for pictures

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trumee:

there is an option in mythgallery setup about videos

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trumee:

the setting is for what player to use for a video.

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trumee:

Mythgallery can show these as well, provided that you have the video player setting set up to play that media type.

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trumee:

Many new digital cameras can now take high quality movies typically in MPEG-4 format as well as photos.

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trumee:

the above is from the wiki

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trumee:

so why is mythgallery ignoring my mp4 videos. it does not even show the thumbnails

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damo22:

i am trying to get a radeon 9600 pro working with tv out... i downloaded the binary ati driver recommended by ati, but it doesnt have a karmic package... only jaunty and source, how do i build a package from orig.gz and .dsc files?

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damo22:

how do i set .lircrc

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damo22:

mythfrontend shows an error when loading, that .lircrc is not found

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damo22:

and i cant set the buttons inside mythtv

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damo22:

but lirc is running and configured as dvico remote

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antgel:

damo22: is it copied to ~/.mythtv/lircrc?

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damo22:

i dont have a lircrc file

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pgee:

mythtv backend running on ubuntu 9.10. ethernet port eth0. i have 2 adapters, a usb asus brand u3000 stick. connected to /dev/dvb/adapter0 and a hvr 1700 connected to /dev/dvb/adapter1 i can confirm the hvr 1700 works as expected on windows xp. the hvr will not tune. simply finds no channels. the u3000 finds channels. and i used same procedure to tune in channels with both adapters. i have uploaded the firmware and run diagnostics on hvr. but i ca

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pgee:

manage to get it to tune.

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Gorlist:

Someone was having problems scanning DVB channels earlier on ubuntu 9.10

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Gorlist:

similar to what I was struggling with

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Gorlist:

Use w-scan (found in the repo) to output a channels.conf and it works

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Gorlist:

e.g. #w_scan -c GB -X | tee channels.conf

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MartinJT:

anyone had any success with the bbciplayer and any MythTV plugin... specifically, the BBCHD programs|

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MartinJT:

?

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MartinJT:

pgee, I've had the same problem with my HVR-1300... I needed to install an official patched V4L-DVB version.... then it worked fine...

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pgee:

martinjt where is the 'official version' ?

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antgel:

hmm, i didn't even know iplayer could be integrated

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** antgel googles **

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pgee:

martinjt i used these instructions: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700

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pgee:

martinjt i also thought the hvr 1700 is a dvb card, not an analogue card = v4l,??

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antgel:

MartinJT: does SD work for you? are you using mythvodka?

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pgee:

gorlist i am doing scan and getting timeouts.

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pgee:

gorlist, but when i do scan with the u3000 usb stick, i see channels. => the command is correct.

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antgel:

anyone patched mythvodka to work with 0.22? am going through it now but don't want to reinvent the wheel

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MartinJT:

pgee, sorry have to go... family do... I meant to say "Unofficial"... there's a bug for the HVR-1300/3000/4000 have a google for it...

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pgee:

martinjt ok

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MartinJT:

and no I haven't got iPlayer working at all... but I'm only interested in the HD side...

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MartinJT:

anyway... got to go....

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MartinJT:

and yes the HVRs are hybrids... for Analogue and DVB

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skreem:

Hi. I've just discovered this channel and had a quick look at the site.

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skreem:

Do I need any extra hardware for this to work?

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skreem:

How does it know whats scheduled on tv?

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devinheitmueller:

skreem: start by reading this, *then* ask questions: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions

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skreem:

Mooo

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skreem:

Just found it uses a tv tuner card so that answers my question

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skreem:

Anyone got any recommendations for a suitable tv tuner card in the uk? i.e capture digital tv

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skreem:

Don't want to spend too much

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skreem:

Anyone got any recommendations for a suitable tv tuner card in the uk? i.e capture digital tv

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skreem:

Don't want to spend too much

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antgel:

skreem: dvb-s or dvb-t?

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node808:

good morning

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node808:

I am needing recommendation for tv card for linux

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node808:

I see many Windows card but linux card hard to find

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node808:

any hardware howto

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antgel:

node808: took me 2 seconds to find http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards

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node808:

antgel: you are genius I tell you

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antgel:

it's amazing how reading the docs etc can move a person up to a higher plane

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devinheitmueller:

I hate users.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller, Come on, why submit patches when a long, ranting e-mail to the users list is so *easy*? ;)

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devinheitmueller:

;-)

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devinheitmueller:

I swear, I wanted to add "or STFU" to the end of that email. I resisted.

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iamlindoro:

restraint noted

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antgel:

i tried to read the rant in the archives, but there were no line breaks

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: wanted to say thanks again for the xc5000 work you've done... I got an hvr-950q for Xmas and it works great!

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: good to hear. There's still an outstanding issue with MythTV when switching back and forth between digital and analog modes, but I will eventually get around to fixing it.

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: not a problem here since I refuse to use analog :)

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: Ah, well in that case, EXCELLENT!

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devinheitmueller:

The xc5000 is a good little tuner – very capable. Shame about the 5 second firmware load time, but that's really the au0828 having a crappy i2c implementation not the xc5000.

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antgel:

i remember when i first installed 0.21, i was advised not to run trunk as the QT transition was in progress, and generally it was a mess. is trunk now... generally usable for users who have a clue, but who are not complete mythtv gurus?

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: it's amazine someone could implement a crappy i2c interface.... I know way more than I'd like to about it

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: Well, it can be surprisingly difficult if you have to accommodate i2c clock stretching.

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elmojo:

probably the same person who implemented the DMA engine on some of the older VIA chipsets

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devinheitmueller:

Most of the i2c masters didn't do clock stretching properly, which is why a number of the tuners have problems with the xc4000/xc5000.

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elmojo:

ah, that makes more sense

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devinheitmueller:

I only found the au0828 issues by using an logic analyzer.

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devinheitmueller:

... and the "fix" I came up with was less than elegant.

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elmojo:

did the windows driver also have the long load times?

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: yes. But it is less noticeable because the Windows driver keeps the tuner alive for 90 seconds after the application closes, whereas the Linux driver puts it to sleep immediately.

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elmojo:

ah, I think I remember a discussion about not letting it go to sleep

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devinheitmueller:

There is a modprobe option that can be enabled which does that, however it *never* puts the tuner to sleep – which is pretty much how it was before I did any work on the xc5000.

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elmojo:

cool, I noticed it does get a bit warm

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devinheitmueller:

The downside is that you're sucking 350ma on the USB bus, which is less than ideal for a laptop (but for a MythTV box people are less likely to care)

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devinheitmueller:

It gets warm when in use, but I've got the power management to a pretty reasonable state now where it mostly powers down the various components when not in use.

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elmojo:

nice

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devinheitmueller:

The thermal profile when in use is pretty much identical compared to Windows.

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devinheitmueller:

(in other words, it's not "unusually" warm)

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iamlindoro:

Bah, lost the serpentine belt on my car on the freeway this morning :(

[16:37:19]

iamlindoro:

Nothing like 70 mile an hour traffic with a boiling radiator and no power steering

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Dibblah:

You didn't replace it with the legs from your tights?

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Dibblah:

;)

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iamlindoro:

HEh

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** devinheitmueller just spent the last few minutes looking at the state of the Wiki in terms of capture cards. Holy crap. **

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devinheitmueller:

inconsistent information... wrong information... long outdated information... wow.

[16:46:48]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: The Myth one? Not surprising

[16:46:52]

devinheitmueller:

yeah.

[16:46:55]

iamlindoro:

It's all I can do to babysit the HD-PVR page

[16:47:06]

devinheitmueller:

Don't get me wrong – the linuxtv one suffers from some of the same problems.

[16:47:48]

devinheitmueller:

And I love how every device I looked at documented how to build the v4l-dvb tree in a different manner and describing whatever quirks the user hit at the time.

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devinheitmueller:

I cannot really blame the individual authors.

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iamlindoro:

Hrm... why is someone uploading bunches of screenshots of the default theme, I wonder....

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: a multipage rant wiki page about usability?

[16:51:21]

iamlindoro:

My money is on him using them in his user page (ie, he's using the user page as his "MythTV homepage")

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: haha

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iamlindoro:

ugh

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Screenshots

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, 'cause that was necessary

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iamlindoro:

I'm tempted to just delete the page entirely, there are many properly sorted screenshots on the theme page

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, because if you're going to post screenshots, you should always go for screenshots taken with minimal quality settings due to crappy hardware. Way to show off the capabilities.

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iamlindoro:

There, sorted. Can't wait to see this blow up in my face

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devinheitmueller:

Uh, yeah, I think you might be likely to complain too if you just spent all that time and then someone immediately deletes your contributions.

[17:10:01]

devinheitmueller:

(not that I think you are wrong)

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iamlindoro:

In fairness, it wasn't much of a contribution ;)

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Q-future:

hi.. is it possible to pair a visualization (e.g. avi) with a song (e.g. mp3) in mythmusic

[17:12:52]

iamlindoro:

Q-future: MythMusic has visualizations, though video playback is not one of them

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythmusic#Visualizations

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Dagmar:

Anyone else find Google's new layout a little creepy looking

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Q-future:

iamlindoro: thx

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iamlindoro:

np

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Lt_Dan:

wheeeeeeeeeeee

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wagnerrp:

having fun on your wheel chair?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I think I like RedBox even more now

[17:38:56]

Lt_Dan:

yes, the netsplit rollercoaster

[17:39:18]

Dagmar:

I was looking up how to report that the RedBox I was going to get a video from last night was non-functional due to being _frozen_ and I see this on their DVD care page:

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Dagmar:

"Don't Touch the shiny surface where dirt, oil and fingerprints can leave residue. Do not lick. The disc is not flavored."

[17:39:31]

Lt_Dan:

wagnerrp: took me a second to get that-- then remembered my nick... :)

[17:40:57]

wagnerrp:

i really hate when people use the term 'fullhd'

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Dagmar:

"people" or "advertisers"?

[17:41:22]

wagnerrp:

either

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sid3windr:

advertisers aren't people!

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Dagmar:

I thought that was pretty clearly implied.

[17:44:05]

sid3windr:

yeah

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sid3windr:

I'm just playing captain obvious here

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sid3windr:

but what's wrong with full hd?

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wagnerrp:

is there any form of automated name mangling in samba for 'bad characters'?

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sid3windr:

at least it's got more meaning than "hd ready"

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i see is for uppercase and length

[17:46:02]

wagnerrp:

looking through my recordings and finding 'T9EWG2~E' difficult to read

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wagnerrp:

and the #samba channel is exactly worthless

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** Dagmar gives wagnerrp a look **

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** sid3windr takes the look and runs **

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wagnerrp:

i see something about 'mangled map'

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Dagmar:

Why are you even seeing "6chars~X"?

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sid3windr:

oh yeah

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sid3windr:

it does that

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wagnerrp:

the title has a ':' in it, or some other character windows doesnt like

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sid3windr:

if I wget -m something

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sid3windr:

all the index.html?q=a&foo=meh files become 6~1 over samba

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sid3windr:

because of the ? I guess

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wagnerrp:

this is a directory from mythrename, not the actual recorded files

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wagnerrp:

i just figured samba would have something in there to automatically fix non-compliant characters

[17:50:11]

wagnerrp:

but i guess not

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sid3windr:

nah it just borks

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sid3windr:

;)

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sid3windr:

it can't afterwards know if you want to write the file with the _ to the one on disk with :, or to a real file called that with a _

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sid3windr:

or whatevers ;)

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sid3windr:

time for mythrename --samba-compliant

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wagnerrp:

looks like there is a '--replacement' for that

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wagnerrp:

which automatically does it

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sid3windr:

neat :)

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wagnerrp:

for the windows baddies.... '\ : * ? < > | "'

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Finswimmer:

Hello, is there an option to disable that mythwelcome starts mythfrontend automatically? Autodetecting if it is a scheduled or a normal start seems not to work for me.

[18:02:09]

Finswimmer:

I am using 0.22

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clever:

Finswimmer: yes, mythwelcome has 2 option pages

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clever:

i think I opens one and M opens the other

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clever:

its somewhere in there

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clever:

bbl

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syamajala:

i'm trying to add a new storage directory to my backend

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syamajala:

i mounted a cifs share from an opensolaris box on my backend, and can write to it as the mythtv user, but when i add the dir in the setup i get an error that says unable to create file "/mythremote//.test" – directory is not writeable?

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clever:

syamajala: try making that file manualy, 'touch /mythremote//.test' as mythtv

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wagnerrp:

syamajala: why are you using CIFS? why not NFS?

[18:26:34]

wagnerrp:

syamajala: are you running mythtv-setup as the mythtv user?

[18:27:30]

syamajala:

clever: i can do that, but i still get the same message in mythtv-setup

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syamajala:

wagnerrp: the opensolaris cifs server is really fast

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syamajala:

and i'm not running mythtv-setup as the mythtv user

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Finswimmer:

clever: I in mythwelcome works, but it is all grey and "Automatically start mythfrontend" is unchecked, but mythwelcome still starts frontend.

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wagnerrp:

syamajala: unless you absolutely know what youre doing, you should run mythtv-setup as the same user you will be running mythbackend

[18:31:34]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, a number of the checks that mythtv-setup does wont work (as you just saw)

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Dagmar:

Well. That's kinda handy.

[18:32:43]

Dagmar:

For once, Comcast screwed up and it helped

[18:33:15]

Dagmar:

I was about to take a shower, get dressed, and brave the freezing cold to go pick up the digital reciever.

[18:33:23]

Dagmar:

Some installer dude magically appeared on my doorstep

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wagnerrp:

any word on a way to record from said receiver

[18:34:42]

Dagmar:

I've heard nothing from Hauppauge and since their site says '4–7 days for in stock' then I should probably at least wait until next week before calling them and asking what's up

[18:35:17]

Dagmar:

The box has firewire, USB, and composite. The odds are they're only good for changing channels ('cept composite)

[18:35:22]

Dagmar:

...but this is a new box of some kind

[18:35:43]

Dagmar:

Comcast RNG110.

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Dagmar:

Here's the thing that makes me rofl tho

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Dagmar:

It has a CABLECARD slot

[18:39:32]

Dagmar:

Looks like it's a branded Pace box

[18:39:56]

Dagmar:

I'm tempted to say "TIME PH0R HAX0RING" but I'll be nice until they do something that pisses me off

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Dagmar:

Then they'd better hope their stuff is protected with RSA

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wagnerrp:

i dont see one... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22076924-HD-Samsung-RNG110

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devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: the security underlying in Cablecard is actually pretty good.

[18:42:01]

devinheitmueller:

The spec is available from CableLabs/SCTE.

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wagnerrp:

unless thats the slot blocked off in the picture above the ethernet/usb ports

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Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: It's not teh CableCard stuff I'm really worried about

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Look at the third picture

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Dagmar:

You found the same URL I did

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wagnerrp:

slot on the side?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

The one with the screw holding the door shut

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, barely. The pic isn't very hi-res.

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Dagmar:

I find it really amusing that they fought the FCC soooo hard, and here they're rolling out the damn DTAs with cablecards in them

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devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: They were required to use Cablecard in their own boxes (except for where they got exclusions recently)

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Dagmar:

...because, the terayon boxes, as the installer put it, are "a ding in a box"

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Dagmar:

It wasn't just recently

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Dagmar:

The francise here has pretty much had exemptions for ages

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devinheitmueller:

Well, most of the exclusions for DTAs were in the last few months.

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Dagmar:

They apparently stopped messing with the non-cc model because it was failtacular

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devinheitmueller:

Up until that point, the DTAs had the encryption disabled.

[18:45:09]

devinheitmueller:

You must be in a relatively small cable system. The bulk of the providers were unable to get waivers.

[18:45:16]

Dagmar:

What I'm more concerned about is that when I start using composite output, they might try something nasty like downsampling the stuff to 720

[18:45:22]

Dagmar:

THAT will result in my hacking their firmware

[18:45:39]

Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: There's nepotism here

[18:45:40]

devinheitmueller:

Well, with composite, it is always low-def.

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Dagmar:

I'm in TN

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Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: it's actually not

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devinheitmueller:

Um.

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Dagmar:

I have friends getting 1080 over composite I'm fairly sure

[18:46:20]

devinheitmueller:

You sure you don't mean *component*?

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Dagmar:

er yes

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wagnerrp:

(component)

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Dagmar:

It's still early for me

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devinheitmueller:

Ah, ok.

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thefRont:

this is strange. I'm trying to run mythtv-setup on a remote machine and redirect the output to my local display (export DISPLAY=myip:0.0). but mythtv-setup says unable to open display

[18:46:35]

Dagmar:

need moar caffiene

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, component can do 1080.

[18:46:52]

wagnerrp:

yeah, those 1:30pm mornings.... :)

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Dagmar:

thefRont: 1. You're doing it somewhat the hard way, and 2. your local X server has to be listening for remote ocnnections

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Dagmar:

tehfront: Use ssh to connect in. ssh -y hostname

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Dagmar:

Then it'll automatically tunnel things back to you

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Dagmar:

er -Y not -y

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Dagmar:

if it doesn't work you just need to prod ssh to make it enableX11forwarding

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thefRont:

ah, nice

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Dagmar:

Then you don't have to set an IP or change the security settings of the X server at all

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I work until 12:30am, man

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thefRont:

this is cool and it looks like it's working

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Comcast's manual for the box: http://www.comcast.com/MediaLibrary/1/1/Custo . . . %20Guide.pdf

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wagnerrp:

they rebranded it from comcast?

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wagnerrp:

erm... samsung

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Dagmar:

Yes, Comcast is having them make branded boxes apparenty

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thefRont:

hooray, it worked

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thefRont:

thanks Dagmar

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Dagmar:

No problem dude

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XLV:

the eth port on that one can be used for anything more than pay per view?

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Dagmar:

Don't know yet

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Dagmar:

I'm digging out my big-brothery hacks on anotehr terminal right now

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Dagmar:

When I connect it up I'll log every packet and find out

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Finswimmer:

Hello again, back in 0.21 there was a perl script with that one could add own video files to mythdatabase.

[18:54:04]

wagnerrp:

recordings or videos?

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Finswimmer:

wagnerrp: I used it for both. But now I want to import 0.21 recordings in 0.22

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wagnerrp:

generally you just upgrade directly, and then the recordings are already there

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wagnerrp:

no need to import

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Finswimmer:

It was something like "a fresh installation" (switched from mythbuntu to gentoo)

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Dagmar:

did you back up the database?

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wagnerrp:

backup/restore the database, and move the old files in place

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Finswimmer:

no. But the database is still existing.

[18:57:35]

Dagmar:

If you still have the backup, you can actually restore it, put the files back, and the backend will take care of the rest on first start

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Finswimmer:

The perl script does not exist any longer? or is it not the best way?

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Dagmar:

It's not really needed

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that those files will be identified only by their channel and record date

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wagnerrp:

there is no way to match up any form of metadata to them

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Finswimmer:

Dagmar: But then there would be all old settings there. And I spent the last two days configuring 0.22

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wagnerrp:

so open up the backup file and only pull out recorded*, people and oldrecorded*

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Finswimmer:

Ok. Sounds good. :) Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

you will end up with issues with channels not matching up between the old recordings and the new database

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wagnerrp:

its better that you wipe the whole database, and restore in full

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wagnerrp:

then if you wish, wipe the settings table, and start setup from scratch

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Finswimmer:

Hm. All what I want is to sort the old recordings. I assume that I will delete 90–95% of it again.

[19:03:14]

wagnerrp:

is your old system still installed?

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Finswimmer:

Sort of. It is in a subdirectory.

[19:04:22]

wagnerrp:

rather, is your old system still bootable

[19:04:23]

wagnerrp:

it sounds not

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wagnerrp:

so when you say your old database still exists

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about the actual database directory

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wagnerrp:

not a backup?

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wagnerrp:

its very possible that is completely worthless

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Finswimmer:

y? I could import it in a new mysqlDB

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AndyCap:

oh, and don't do what I did, clobber one database with another. :)

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wagnerrp:

binary imports of mysql data is never a good option

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wagnerrp:

and if you do a binary import between different versions of mysql, or different architectures, or different compiler revisions, or different ..... its very likely to not work

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wagnerrp:

any time you move from one install of mysql to another (even when upgrading on the same system), youre supposed to at least have a dump around in case you need to restore

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** sphery needs to get the infrastructure in place to allow automatic backups to be performed safely **

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Finswimmer:

Hm. Ok.

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wagnerrp:

Finswimmer: check out the gentoo install docs on how to do a manual install from stage3

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Finswimmer:

Sorry. Have to go. Thanks for your help.

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to chroot into your old ubuntu system

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wagnerrp:

boot up the old mysql server

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wagnerrp:

and pull a dump

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Finswimmer:

good idea.

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Finswimmer:

thanks!!! bye

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Dagmar:

Hmm... Seems my TV isn't quite bright enough to change aspect ratios on it's own

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Dagmar:

Ah well, it's good enough for now

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Dagmar:

Took me a few to figure it out since I've never plugged anything but Myth and the PS3 into that TV.

[19:21:18]

Dagmar:

Like, "Why the hell is everything looking squished up in 4:3?"

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wagnerrp:

so Fox wants to start picking up cable subscriber fees for its local broadcast channels

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yup.

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Dagmar:

Wha?

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wagnerrp:

WTF is with that?

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devinheitmueller:

They want $1/month/subscriber.

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Dagmar:

That's odd.

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wagnerrp:

its a B-R-O-A-D-C-A-S-T C-H-A-N-N-E-L

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devinheitmueller:

http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/12/fox . . . ber-fees.ars

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Dagmar:

Wait, you mean they want extra money for people to watch the stuff they broadcast in the clear?

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wagnerrp:

theyre giving it away for free already

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Dagmar:

Well, I guess you *can* blame them for trying

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devinheitmueller:

Yup, they want the cable company to pay to redistribute the Fox channel, which is already being broadcasted over the air for free.

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wagnerrp:

isnt that illegal or something?

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Dagmar:

I suppose it's more likely to happen than to get people to keep watching it

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wagnerrp:

i mean the cable co MUST provide that channel, since its going to be a must-carry channel

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devinheitmueller:

No, it's not illegal. In fact, the cable companies are required to carry it.

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Dagmar:

Yeah the FCC might have something to say about that

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Dagmar:

...as soon as they're done being pansies.

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devinheitmueller:

It's a huge mess.

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wagnerrp:

or when the FCC put that directive into place, did think no one would be so retarded as to try to do that

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devinheitmueller:

If TWC claims that Fox is not negotiating in good faith, then they don't have to carry the channel.

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devinheitmueller:

(which is what they will argue to the FCC)

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devinheitmueller:

I do a daily search on "FCC Cable" in Google News.

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devinheitmueller:

;-)

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wagnerrp:

is it wrong that im rooting for the cableco?

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wagnerrp:

i dont like this

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wagnerrp:

i feel dirty

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Dagmar:

It's a very bad precedent

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devinheitmueller:

It's a tough one to take sides on – since they are both media conglomerates.

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Dagmar:

They're basically saying "Give us money because we said so"

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: s/we said so/the fcc says you have to/

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Dagmar:

...which is probably fueled by "because advertisers don't want to pay us for commercials because all the viewers hate us"

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devinheitmueller:

Well, if they have to pay the 1/month/subscriber, you are guaranteed they will pass that cost on to you.

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Dagmar:

My answer to that is "Tough noogies. Try hiring newspeople who're actually too good to write for the National Enquirer"

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XLV:

so fox has some fta channels, that also are broadcasted by some cable tv providers, and fox wants $ from cable tv providers for those programmes?

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Dagmar:

It'd be nice if these companies didn't look at the customer base as so much passive brill shrimp

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wagnerrp:

yes, FOX wants cablecos to pay them to rebroadcast the local affiliates

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Dagmar:

I think the cable companies should in turn ask Fox to pay a dollar for every subscriber that watches

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Dagmar:

...then _everyone_ will be happy.

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Dagmar:

Of course, the cable companies, not being ones to miss a trick, will probably still charge their subscribers an extra dollar a month

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wagnerrp:

$1/subscriber/week

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devinheitmueller:

XLV: The cable companies already pay Fox for the cable channels. However, the negotiations are all bundled together, so the $1/month/subscriber issue will prevent TWC from continuing to carry *any* of their channels.

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AndyCap:

Haha, it's not like the customer base isn't krill.

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AndyCap:

why does this remind me of content vs transport providers fighting over peering?

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wagnerrp:

FOX doesnt have teeth, its more just a thin membrane that lets the quality flow out and the customers to get trapped for digestion

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AndyCap:

iirc. copyright organizations charge fees for rebroadcasting channels here.

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[R]:

so i found a new bug in myth... and its driving me nuts and its gonna be a pain to debug

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: over here, the government requires that the local stations get rebroadcast

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wagnerrp:

they cant have it both ways

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AndyCap:

hah

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wagnerrp:

if they want to charger, they get taken off the 'must-carry' list and no one bothers rebroadcasting them

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AndyCap:

one channel is actually working to have it both ways now

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AndyCap:

both ways is twice as good as one way

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AndyCap:

:P

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iamlindoro:

that's what she said

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Dagmar:

Oh yeah

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jblack:

Wow, tv done like obama health care?

[20:05:43]

jblack:

"You'll have insurance, whether you like it or not" ?

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thefRont:

How can I set mythtv to use the second tuner for PiP?

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thefRont:

currently I can only switch channels in PiP which are on the same transponder as the channel I'm currently watching

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wagnerrp:

you cant

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wagnerrp:

PiP will just automatically choose the next available tuner

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thefRont:

hmm...strange

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wagnerrp:

in your case, the next tuner in the list just happens to be a virtual tuner on the same physical tuner

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Dagmar:

Do you *have* two tuners?

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wagnerrp:

the way around that is to add each digital tuner with one virtual tuner

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wagnerrp:

and then go back and fill out however many tuners you want in each

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thefRont:

Dagmar: yes

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Dagmar:

OKay then do what wagnerrp is talking about

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Dagmar:

I'm always worried that we're going to find someone that doesn't realize multiplexing has limitations

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thefRont:

;)

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thefRont:

ok, I've set up each tuner with one virtual tuner now. let's see if it works

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thefRont:

yep...works :)

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thefRont:

thanx

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thefRont:

hdhomerun is getting better and better :)

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DjMadness_:

I am trying to get XVMC working with mythtv, however its not going too well, could anyone point me to what i might be doing wrongly ? http://pastebin.ca/1731069

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[R]:

DjMadness_: what card do you have?

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DjMadness_:

7800GS (AGP)

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mchou:

DjMadness_: what driver version is it, and what rez you trying to play?

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[R]:

does it work w/o xvmc/

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[R]:

does it work with mplayer?

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DjMadness_:

yes video works fine without xvmc

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DjMadness_:

dont know about mplayer, dont exactly use it on that box at all. (prefer the internal) ill compile and install it...

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mchou:

DjMadness_: I think you are using a broken driver implementation

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wagnerrp:

DjMadness_: what processor do you have?

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DjMadness_:

wagnerrp: 2500+ (barton)

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DjMadness_:

reason to why i want to use xvmc ? video goes choppy when i copy a file to or from the box

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a 2500+ is right on the limit of usability for ATSC

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mchou:

on 2500+ I dont blame you for wanting to use xvmc

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 2600+ that works, but runs at ~75–90% cpu with no deint

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DjMadness_:

i've overclocked it to 1900Mhz, but not enough

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wagnerrp:

thats hardly an overclock

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DjMadness_:

true, but cant push anymore out of the board

[20:38:19]

wagnerrp:

board is only rated for 266MHz or something?

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DjMadness_:

yep

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mchou:

DjMadness_: you dont have many options

[20:39:09]

DjMadness_:

mchou: i am using the 185.18.36-r1 driver

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wagnerrp:

maybe try dropping back to 173 or something

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wagnerrp:

the newer driver revisions arent going to get you anything anyway

[20:39:40]

Dagmar:

What model card is it?

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mchou:

DjMadness_: yeah, older drivers better for xvmc

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wagnerrp:

nvidia has dropped xvmc support in the newer cards

[20:39:52]

DjMadness_:

Dagmar: 7800GS (agp)

[20:39:57]

DjMadness_:

ill give it a try

[20:40:11]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Did you ever do anything to "set it up" beyond just grabbing the package from nVidia and running it?

[20:40:22]

Dagmar:

...and did you compile your own MythTV binary

[20:40:30]

mchou:

DjMadness_: in fact, my memory is fuzzy atm, 169 may be even better than 173

[20:40:38]

Dagmar:

It's rather easy to screw up if you're trying to make it work that way.

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DjMadness_:

Dagmar: i self compiled my mythtv... svn version

[20:40:49]

Dagmar:

It's sneaky. It requires you to do nothing special at all.

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DjMadness_:

ive edited the /etc/X11/XvMCConfig file aswell

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Dagmar:

You actually *don't* need that file

[20:41:19]

Dagmar:

That's another "gotcha"

[20:41:41]

Dagmar:

Populating that can result in two things. Either A. you get it right and things work, or B. you get it wrong and things don't work.

[20:41:51]

Dagmar:

If you only have one version of the driver installed, NOT having that file can result in one thing.

[20:41:53]

Dagmar:

It works.

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DjMadness_:

gona try the older driver version..

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DjMadness_:

gonna* damned keyboard

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mchou:

this has _nothing_ to do with configuration

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Dagmar:

--enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl are the only two flags you should need to pass to configure that are related to xvmc

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Dagmar:

mchou: His version of the 7800 doesn't do XvMC?

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mchou:

xvmc is badly borked in newer driver versions*

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

I'm using 185.18.36 here.

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Dagmar:

Seems to work fine

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Dagmar:

I never really bothered to update

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mchou:

works fine on what rex?

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mchou:

rez*

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Dagmar:

1366x768

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mchou:

I dunno about that rez, but plenty of other rez broken with xvmc

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Dagmar:

Frankly I'm more concerned about getting an 8300 or something in that box so I can play back the stuff the HD-PVR will be givin' me without a hassle

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mchou:

DjMadness_: in any case, yo're at the point of diminishing returns when it comes to messing with xvmc

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mchou:

you're*

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DjMadness_:

think its my card unable to support it ?

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mchou:

DjMadness_: nah, you're card supports xvmc

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Dagmar:

Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find out

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mchou:

your*

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Dagmar:

If something in X is failing, it'll probably carp about it in there

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mchou:

DjMadness_: it not an issue with the HW

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mchou:

DjMadness_: older drivers should work just fine

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Dagmar:

Oof

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Dagmar:

That thing I thought you guessed may actually be right

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mchou:

DjMadness_: byut it will still be sub-optimal

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mchou:

but*

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Dagmar:

I'm finding multiple things saying the 7800 doesn't do video overlay like we want

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Dagmar:

XvmcUsesTextures

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DjMadness_:

(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation, thats loading fine... same with (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "XvMCUsesTextures" "true" is set.

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Dagmar:

Needs to be in xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

Okay. Hmm...

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mchou:

DjMadness_: I foresee a HW upgrade soon in your future

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Dagmar:

Right, so if you were passing --disable-xvmc-opengl to configure like I do here to avoid an older myth bug that might or might not be fixed (I've not botehred to look yet) that's probably what's stopping that

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DjMadness_:

mchou: you do ? :P great, now i just need some money :P

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Dagmar:

It was making the OSD abysmal for awhile

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mchou:

DjMadness_: you have $100?

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Dagmar:

DjMadness_: The sad thing is you could probably find a gamer on Craigslist who would swap you for another card

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Dagmar:

hehe

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DjMadness_:

mchou: nopes :S

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mchou:

DjMadness_: too bad

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DjMadness_:

would an older card do me better maybe ?

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mchou:

DjMadness_: forget man

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Dagmar:

If they got something with an 5200 in it you'd be set

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mchou:

forget it*

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Dagmar:

...or a 6600 I think

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mchou:

DjMadness_: you really dont want to travel down that road

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Dagmar:

Pretyt much the CPU should be able to play that

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mchou:

DjMadness_: even if I got the card for free I'd still avoid

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DjMadness_:

okeys

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DjMadness_:

so i guess i am stuck with cpu "decellerated" playback :S

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Dagmar:

I have an onboard 7050PV and it works for Xv

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wagnerrp:

DjMadness_: if youve got some spare cash, you might want to consider upgrading

[21:13:13]

wagnerrp:

a nice dual core, motherboard, and 1GB of memory can be had for well under $150

[21:13:53]

wagnerrp:

you can probably pick up one with onboard nvidia graphics, capable of VDPAU for under that

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DjMadness_:

wagnerrp: yep i know... and a nice cheap card supporting vdpau... however its still a bit steap for being a student

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darkfrog:

my cable box went out and just got a new DCX3200-M and 6200ch for channel changing is no longer working...what do I need to do to get it to work?

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wagnerrp:

find the proper blaster script for your new cable box

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darkfrog:

wagnerrp: this is firewire

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henkpoley:

I'm seeing tearing with VDPAU and real time priority threads, any tips how to fix that ?

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k_ross:

darkfrog: was your old cable box the same model?

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darkfrog:

k_ross: no, it was an earlier version Motorola

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darkfrog:

I think I found the bug: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6842

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darkfrog:

I can recompile 6200ch.c but it also supplies a patch for firewiredevice.cpp and I don't know where that is

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k_ross:

just manually patch 6200ch.c

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darkfrog:

k_ross: I did, but it still says: Could not find Motorola DCT-6200 on the 1394 bus.

[22:14:54]

k_ross:

actually i made a change to my 6200ch that will completely ignore the vendor/model ID stuff, if you specify the GUID on the command line. i figure, if you're telling it the exact GUID of the device you want to control, there's no reason to check the model ID also

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k_ross:

it solves the problem of having to patch 6200ch every time a new model comes out

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darkfrog:

k_ross: amd64?

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k_ross:

no, 32-bit. but i could give you the patch and you could build your own

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darkfrog:

k_ross: or just provide me the .c file

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k_ross:

hmm, i also modified mine to send 4-digit channel numbers

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k_ross:

you may need to remove that bi

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k_ross:

bit

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darkfrog:

mine was previously sending 3

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darkfrog:

4 might be fine though

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darkfrog:

k_ross: have the .c file somewhere I can wget it?

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DjMadness_:

Is there any way to change the font size in mythvideo gallery view ? i can't read it on the tv.

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darkfrog:

DjMadness_: does the global font not affect it?

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DjMadness_:

nopes... i've also tried multiple (bearable) themes.

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k_ross:

darkfrog: http://pastebin.com/m1e60eda7

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DjMadness_:

its just too small for a 1024*768 tv

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iamlindoro:

Users don't have control of the font sizes, you'd need to edit the theme

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darkfrog:

k_ross: how do I specify the GUID?

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darkfrog:

nvm

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k_ross:

run plugreport to get the guids

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k_ross:

then 6200ch -g <someguidhere> <channelnumber>

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darkfrog:

sweet

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darkfrog:

I think it worked

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DjMadness_:

iamlindoro: ah okeys, guess ill need to wait till i am finished with my own theme...

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k_ross:

don't include the "0x" at the beginning of the guid, though

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michael__:

for some reason i can't get mythbackend running as a daemon, here's some output http://pastebin.com/m8f7fe25

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darkfrog:

k_ross: I did and it worked...

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darkfrog:

k_ross: with and without 0x it works

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iamlindoro:

michael__: erm... you're not running it as one?

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syamajal_:

is it possible to use 1 sound card for multiple video sources?

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iamlindoro:

run a binary in the foreground, it's going to stay in the foreground...

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wagnerrp:

'-d' makes it a daemon

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k_ross:

darkfrog: oh cool

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syamajal_:

like my sound card has a line in and a microphone jack

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wagnerrp:

'-l' is for logging when run as a daemon

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michael__:

iamlindoro, ok, it's different when i fun it as a daemon:

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wagnerrp:

or you can use '>' and '&' to similar effect

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michael__:

michael@suse:~> /etc/init.d/mythbackend

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michael__:

/etc/sysconfig/mythbackend not existing

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iamlindoro:

better still, just wrap it in an init script

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iamlindoro:

so your init script is broken or improperly set up

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iamlindoro:

(not to mention you need to pass arguments to init scripts...)

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k_ross:

wagnerrp: "&" isn't the same. it will kill the backend when you exit the terminal session. you could use nohup, though

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darkfrog:

k_ross: thank you very much for your 6200ch.c file....you should suggest it to the trunk. :)

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michael__:

iamlindoro, if you're talking to me i have no idea what you're saying

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michael__:

http://pastebin.com/m43f908bf

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wagnerrp:

k_ross: thats why i said similar effect

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iamlindoro:

You are trying to use an init script that is either improperly written, or you haven't set it up properly.

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michael__:

iamlindoro, how do i fix it?

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iamlindoro:

and the last pastebin happened because you have another instance of mythbackend running already that's bound to the port

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iamlindoro:

use or write a proper init script, and set it up properly for your distro

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michael__:

i have no idea what you're saying

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iamlindoro:

oh boy

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iamlindoro:

I think I smell something burning in the kitchen

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michael__:

i'm not a programmer, i'm just a regular guy trying to get mythtv working

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to be a programmer, you just should be an experienced linux user

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iamlindoro:

your last pastebin fails because you are trying to run more than one instance of Mythbackend. The second cannot bind to the port and thus (predictably) fails to start

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wagnerrp:

or you need to use one of those distros that holds your hand through myth

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syamajala:

hm

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iamlindoro:

on the init script issue, you are trying to run an init script without arguments (wrong) or a broken or improperly set up init script, or both

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michael__:

how do i fix it?

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iamlindoro:

where did you get your init script?

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k_ross:

install mythbuntu

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syamajala:

so is it possible to hook up the sound for 2 video sources to 1 sound card?

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iamlindoro:

syamajala: no

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michael__:

i'm using it on SuSE, i got it working before on ArchLinux with less pain

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iamlindoro:

michael__: start by answering the question, please

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iamlindoro:

Where did you get your init script?

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michael__:

http://pastebin.com/m54879348

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** iamlindoro weeps **

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michael__:

i used yast to download mythtv

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iamlindoro:

so you've pastebinned a copy of mythbackend starting properly

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iamlindoro:

not sure what to respond about that

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michael__:

so then what can i do to get the daemon working?

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iamlindoro:

The last pastebin *is* it startting as a daemon

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wagnerrp:

syamajala: does your sound card have to independent line inputs?

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syamajala:

it has a line in and a microphone jack

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wagnerrp:

full inputs, not one input and one microphone

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wagnerrp:

mic is mono and amped

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wagnerrp:

not something you want to use with a tuner card

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iamlindoro:

If you would like to start it with an init script, you need to find an init script for your distro, install it properly, and then invoke it with the correct argument

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michael__:

iamlindoro, you mean it *is* starting

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iamlindoro:

michael__: No, I mean not only is it starting, but as a daemon.

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syamajala:

wagnerrp: then i guess not

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syamajala:

i'm not sure though

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wagnerrp:

syamajala: this is why mpeg encoder cards are recommended for analog capture

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iamlindoro:

suspect you have a misunderstanding of what daemonizing something is

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michael__:

demonizing used to just work

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iamlindoro:

And further suspect you are asking how to have it start with an init script

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iamlindoro:

michael__: Please read carefully

[22:35:39]

iamlindoro:

your last pastbin shows the backend starting properly, as a daemon

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michael__:

yes

[22:36:00]

iamlindoro:

So it is working just fine right now

[22:36:05]

wagnerrp:

im wondering what is in /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend...

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mcmoyer:

anyone know why I get a green bar at the bottom of my *resized* transcode jobs?

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wagnerrp:

no idea what would be in there

[22:36:19]

mcmoyer:

resizing 1080i to 540

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iamlindoro:

You instead appear to be asking how to get your init script working

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michael__:

...well actually if i fun myth-frontend i've still got problems but they're probably unlrelated

[22:36:34]

iamlindoro:

To which the answer is still the same

[22:36:38]

iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro: If you would like to start it with an init script, you need to find an init script for your distro, install it properly, and then invoke it with the correct argument"

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iamlindoro:

Strongly suggest checking out the multiple very detailed suse pages on the wiki

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michael__:

http://pastebin.com/m4c538ad5

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iamlindoro:

So as previously mentioned, your init script is not properly installed

[22:38:16]

iamlindoro:

and you're not invoking it with proper arguments anyway, so...

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michael__:

what do you mean by proper arguments?

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wagnerrp:

init scripts want to be told what to do

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wagnerrp:

you cant just run them

[22:39:06]

wagnerrp:

you have to give them a command, an argument

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wagnerrp:

start, stop, restart, whatever

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wagnerrp:

some do additional things like status, or poll, or reload

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michael__:

yeah that's how i usually get them going

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wagnerrp:

so why did you not do so in this case?

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michael__:

in arch it was /etc/rc.d/mythbackend start

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michael__:

because it gives an error

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wagnerrp:

the error that told you it was missing a config file?

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michael__:

suse:~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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michael__:

/etc/sysconfig/mythbackend not existing

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wagnerrp:

aside from that being singularly bad english

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wagnerrp:

obviously it wants that file

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wagnerrp:

you need to give it that file

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wagnerrp:

and since you dont seem to have that file

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wagnerrp:

you need to figure out why you do not have that file

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michael__:

i understand that, i'm wondering why suse wouldn't have installed it properley i the first place

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iamlindoro:

It's worth noting that SuSE has in the past been about the worst distro in the world to run Myth on

[22:42:59]

michael__:

ok i'm asking #suse

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wagnerrp:

we dont know, we dont use suse

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iamlindoro:

It'd be worth starting a SuSE Myth distro just to get to call in MooSe

[22:43:50]

iamlindoro:

er call it

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michael__:

yeah like i said, getting it on archlinux was easier

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wagnerrp:

if you were happy with arch, why the switch?

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michael__:

long story, i have to learn suse for work and i thought this would be the best way

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Not having looked at it closely yet, I was wondering whether an event firing can pass (context specific) arguments/status/strings that can be passed to the associated action

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: I'd forgive you for thinking that made no sense :)

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sphery:

"What if..."

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Captain_Murdoch:

events can have any args in them and those args are passed on the command line as %ARGS%

[22:48:10]

sphery:

in "Re: [mythtv-users] time zone with distant frontend"... uggh

[22:48:28]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Ah, great... and that's a QStringList, presumably?

[22:48:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

most args to the event right now are key/value pairs, but anything can be put on the line.

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kormoc:

too bad /ban doesn't work on the mailing lists...

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iamlindoro:

I should probably just look :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, not now, just on the single line.

[22:49:17]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: OK, no worries

[22:49:23]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Thanks :)

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[R]:

do kittens get killed when I use trunk? or is it semi-stable?

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Captain_Murdoch:

debated going either way and did it this way but can't recall full reason for why off the top of my head.

[22:50:20]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: I may do so once I get a handle on it and maybe write up a few MythVideo events, but feel free to wikify the string replacement stuff :)

[22:50:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

:) I thought my docs were in the doxygen comments and commit log.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Occurred to me that the event list might end up really long eventually, too

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Well *I'm* not averse to using the source as my docs, but I think I'm the exception rather than the rule ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

thought was to not have to pass too much data around, but have the handler retrieve extra data when it ran the command. like just passing a chanid/starttime instead of a programinfo

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Captain_Murdoch:

handler = MythSystemEventHandler

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sphery:

kormoc: ++

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Was thinking of a simple scenario (not one I intend to implement, but...) like a video scan, passing back the scanned titles, etc.

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, those are easy to implement.

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Captain_Murdoch:

can be just 2 lines of code, one in your .ccp and one in mythsystemevent.cpp to add the setting name/description.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Cool, I am probably inquiring prematurely, I should just try to do something with it and go form there

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iamlindoro:

er from

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michael__:

...does anyone think that if i get mythtubntu running in a virtualbox it'll work ok ontop of suse?

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[R]:

michael__: depends on what you want to do with it

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[R]:

michael__: run a frontend? no

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michael__:

i'll only want a backend in the virtual box

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[R]:

then it makes no differnece if its in vbox, or not, on suse or windows

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iamlindoro:

Would only be possible if you have USB capture devices, and even then, you can't do it with the open source version of vBox

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iamlindoro:

so if you have PCI capture devices, or only have the OSE of vBox, the answer is no, you cannot.

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[R]:

well if he doesnt want to capture

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[R]:

it would work fine

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[R]:

:)

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iamlindoro:

No, because a master backend without a capture device isn't a supported configuration.

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[R]:

i've done it before

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iamlindoro:

Having done it and it being a supported configuration are two seperate things

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

sphery loves to explain why it's not only a bad idea, but broken to do so, I'll let him do it

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michael__:

ok well i've got a PCI card and non OSI version of Vbox – hows my chances?

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iamlindoro:

michael__: zero

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devinheitmueller:

Virtualbox cannot virtualize PCI devices.

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michael__:

hummmm any other hypervisor?

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[R]:

i think xen works with pci devices?

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michael__:

hummmm

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devinheitmueller:

I'm not sure that *any* of them can virtualize a raw PCI device other than VMWare.

[23:01:47]

devinheitmueller:

... and I mean their Enterprise product, not their workstation product.

[23:02:31]

devinheitmueller:

With Xen, you can pass through a single device to a single VM supposedly.

[23:02:46]

devinheitmueller:

At least that's what this suggests: http://www.novell.com/communities/node/2880/a . . . tual-machine

[23:03:05]

devinheitmueller:

I wouldn't dare try it though. And if it doesn't work, don't you dare complain to linux-media!

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iamlindoro:

or here

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sphery:

[R]: the most important thing is that running a backend that has no capture cards is doing nothing useful. Using mythjobqueue instead would use 1/10th the resources of running the backend with no capture cards. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347829#347829

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[R]:

sphery: thats assuming the only point of the backend was to run jobs

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sphery:

[R]: running a backend with no capture cards basically disables everything except the jobqueue--thus making the backend with no capture cards equivalent to mythjobqueue

[23:03:53]

devinheitmueller:

Also, backends have strong hardware latency requirements, so running a backend in a VM is pretty useless.

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[R]:

sphery: a backend with no capture cards is useful for running a frontend whose only purpose is to use mythvideo

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devinheitmueller:

.... meaning that you are likely to lose packets from the capture card while the VM is swapped out.

[23:04:57]

k_ross:

if all you want is mythvideo, then just run xbmc

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sphery:

[R]: the /only/ difference is the master backend, but until running mythbackend without capture cards is a supported configuration, you shouldn't do that (some things won't work properly--such as space reporting/disk usage)

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[R]:

k_ross: haha

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sphery:

[R]: running mythfrontend without mythbackend is the supported configuration for running a frontend whose only purpose is to use mythvideo

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[R]:

sphery: isn't that gonna constatnly complain that it cant' contact the backend?

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[R]:

well regardless... id on't run like that anymore

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sphery:

not constantly

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mzb:

[R], I ran a backend with PCI-passthrough on Xen ... the novelty wore off

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sphery:

and, if you're just running mythvideo, you'd probably start mythfrontend with: mythfrontend mythvideo

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sphery:

and then it likely wouldn't complain

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[R]:

interesting

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sphery:

it would only complain when you're doing backend things

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mzb:

multimedia and virtualisation don't work well (in general)

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sphery:

it may or may not complain on the main menu--haven't tested in a long time

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sphery:

and, besides, virtualizing makes almost no sense for a backend not only because of the hardware issues mentioned, but because it is--by definition--less efficient than running mythbackend on the bare metal

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devinheitmueller:

mzb: I feel like we need an FAQ item on this. Somebody else was trying to do this a few weeks ago, and it took me half an hour to explain why it was such a crappy idea.

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sphery:

only time that won't work is if you're using Windows or some unsupported OS

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: ++

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mzb:

"virtualisation != good idea"

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devinheitmueller:

virtualization is not designed for environments where there are low latency requirements.

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sphery:

I'd love a wiki page to link people to about virt

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mzb:

devinheitmueller, I like your explanation better than mine ;)

[23:09:33]

devinheitmueller:

I would probably just go back to the damn irc log and cut/paste whatever I said last time. :-)

[23:09:51]

mzb:

it *did* work (MBE on Xen) but was fraught with issues, and became hard to maintain

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devinheitmueller:

It probably "worked" in the sense that everything loaded up, but you're probably going to have all sorts of stream dropouts and other latency related problems (largely dependent on which card/driver you are dealing with and what other system load is going on in the underlying host and other VMs)

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mzb:

in general, yes

[23:12:02]

mzb:

although raid10 did help a little

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iamlindoro:

So it would be wrong for the entire content of the page to be "because it is stupid and you are stupid for trying," then?

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mzb:

probably

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mzb:

s/stupid/not recommended

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kuroneko_:

Q'csqgqwuÃ¥s

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devinheitmueller:

I would probably make the content something along the lines of "It's a bad idea not worth your time; if you spend the time it will probably load, but you're likely to have all sorts of problems, and don't come crying to us *when* you do."

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iamlindoro:

bad kitty

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mzb:

sounds fair

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devinheitmueller:

Virtualization is good stuff in general (I run several *hundred* VMs here), but that doesn't make it appropriate for every application, particularly those with low-latency requirements.

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sid3windr:

sphery: it doesn't only complain when doing backend things – playing a dvd makes it complain ;)

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mzb:

I did also manage to run a virtualised frontend but it wasn't great ... just the only method I had at the time for editing

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mzb:

playback was acceptable, but editing was a bit painful

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mzb:

(quad core)

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iamlindoro:

son of a...

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Elwell:

re the virt discussion – I'm contemplating getting a new quad core as a backend / general linux box but running some virtualisation on it so the wife can still have her windows PC. – bad idea?

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iamlindoro:

"Oh. So now the MythTV project has been drafted into the IP Gestapo. It

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iamlindoro:

annoys me to no end when product providers try to tell me how I can and

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iamlindoro:

can't use their product."

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iamlindoro:

"I sure hope MythTV does not get

[23:21:17]

iamlindoro:

into this game. Just provide the product and let me decide how I am

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iamlindoro:

going to use it, please."

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iamlindoro:

What a dumbass

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mzb:

Elwell, virtualise windows ;)

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iamlindoro:

Because clearly we are all on your payroll, dickface

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Elwell:

thats the plan – linux on tge metal, windows in (probably) virtualbox

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mzb:

or just do multiseat and run a "windows theme" on her screen ;)

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mzb:

(and slowly change it;))

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Elwell:

mzb: gotta run IE and spss....

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mzb:

meh

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mzb:

made the change years ago ... life's a lot easier now

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Elwell:

tools for the job

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mzb:

fair enough

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sid3windr:

ie6 works on linux;)

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mzb:

hehe

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k_ross:

how's that possible? ie6 doesn't even work on windows? :P

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sid3windr:

varying values of work

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sid3windr:

:)

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michael__:

maybe you can look at this one, i can't watch live TV but i'm really close, what's happening? michael@suse:~> mythfrontend

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:29.548 mythfrontend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [Unknown] www.mythtv.org

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:29.597 AudioPulseUtil: Suspend Success

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:29.597 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:29.598 Using configuration directory = /home/michael/.mythtv

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.401 Empty LocalHostName.

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.401 Using localhost value of suse

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.411 New DB connection, total: 1

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.423 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.424 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.495 ScreenSaverX11Private: Gnome screen saver support enabled

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.498 DPMS is active.

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.503 Primary screen: 0.

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.511 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.514 Using screen 0, 1400x1050 at 0,0

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iamlindoro:

PASTEBIN

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.584 MythUI Image Cache size set to 20971520 bytes

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.585 Enabled verbose msgs: important general

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.593 Primary screen: 0.

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k_ross:

make it stop

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.595 Using screen 0, 1400x1050 at 0,0

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.596 Using theme base resolution of 1280x720

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.607 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd'

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michael__:

eno: Connection refused (111)

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.608 JoystickMenuThread Error: Joystick disabled – Failed to read /home/michael/.mythtv/joystickmenurc

[23:32:19]

michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.663 Using the Qt painter

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:30.984 Loaded base theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/base.xml

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:31.040 Loaded base theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/base.xml

[23:32:25]

michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:31.064 Loaded base theme from /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:31.069 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1244

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:31.405 Desktop video mode: 2680x1050 59.9808 Hz

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michael__:

2009-12–30 10:29:31.627 Registering Interna

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michael__:

oh dear

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michael__:

http://pastebin.com/m189cbfe4

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iamlindoro:

bah, late

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sphery:

sid3windr: that may need fixing

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sid3windr:

:)

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michael__:

i'm sorry for that before

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michael__:

big mistake

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michael__:

ok i've solved the missing init script command and the daemon is running

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michael__:

now I still can't view live tv

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michael__:

http://pastebin.com/m13dd9ae2

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Guest61128:

hi all

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michael__: what does the backend log say

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[R]:

michael__: looks like also your missing guide data

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mzb:

michael__, http://svn.whuffy.com/

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michael__:

ah i see.... humm i better work on getting shepherd working in that case

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michael__:

i thought it would work without shepherd up, ok i'll do that later today, seems like it'll be a real prick in SuSE

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iamlindoro:

read your backend logs

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iamlindoro:

you don't need guide data to use TV

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iamlindoro:

That error message is merely a generic error indicating the problem is on the backend

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iamlindoro:

in all liklihood the error message is in plain english in the backend logs

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