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| [00:06:28] | [R]: | SHAZAM |
| [00:06:32] | [R]: | i love it when things "just work" |
| [00:06:43] | [R]: | of course it'll be really ironic if this other motherboard doesn't work well with wake on RTC |
| [00:08:04] | Dibblah: | ... Or not. |
| [00:08:26] | gbee: | antgel: 10510 isn't a frequency, it's a serviceid |
| [00:08:34] | [R]: | why woudn't it be ironic |
| [00:08:37] | Dibblah: | (Ironic doesn't mean what many people seem to think it does. |
| [00:08:46] | [R]: | having one board that works with wake on rtc and one board that works with wake on lan... but not one that does both |
| [00:08:49] | gbee: | 11426H is a frequency |
| [00:09:14] | [R]: | Dibblah: i once had a friend that tried to tell me the song 'ironic' by alanis morrisette... nothing in it was ironic... just unfortunate |
| [00:09:26] | gbee: | ITVHD is service # 10510 on the frequency of 11426H |
| [00:09:30] | Dibblah: | Listen to your friend. |
| [00:09:47] | [R]: | well ironic or not.. its gonna suck if this one doesnt do wake on rtc properly |
| [00:10:20] | Dibblah: | The wake on RTC stuff sometimes requires some funky prereqs. |
| [00:10:35] | [R]: | i've yet to find a dist that comes stock with ethtool on init for wake on lan... so lame |
| [00:10:40] | Dagmar: | Like enabling it in the BIOS and making sure your distro does NOT save the clock after you set the RTC wake time |
| [00:10:50] | Dibblah: | ie to set, you need to boot to at least the bootloader, then shut down. |
| [00:10:54] | [R]: | yeah, i already got it working once on anotehr board |
| [00:11:02] | [R]: | i actually had to say not to wake on rtc in the bios on that one |
| [00:11:05] | Dibblah: | All depends on the BIOS. |
| [00:11:08] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Mine just powers on |
| [00:11:14] | Dibblah: | ... And /proc/acpi/wake |
| [00:11:16] | Dagmar: | Not that I've bothered to make Myth do it yet |
| [00:11:29] | Dibblah: | Some people are lucky with boards. |
| [00:11:38] | Dibblah: | Or are anal in pre-checking. |
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| [00:12:45] | gbee: | antgel: and another thing, frequencies aren't an exactly the same for everyone, it _can_ vary by a Mhz (or two) in either direction e.g. 11425–11427 |
| [00:12:51] | Dagmar: | I do kinda go through multiple boards before I settle |
| [00:12:58] | Dagmar: | Yay for Craigslist |
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| [00:18:31] | [R]: | craigslist scares me |
| [00:18:35] | [R]: | but i got a ton of stuff i don't need anymore |
| [00:20:58] | [R]: | hot damn |
| [00:21:00] | [R]: | it "just worked" |
| [00:21:34] | Dagmar: | I get _rid_ of the boards that don't do what I want on Craigslist |
| [00:21:45] | Dagmar: | If they're broken in some way, they just go back to the vendor. |
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| [01:20:05] | [R]: | wtf kind of retarded sleep is it if the cpu fan is still going |
| [01:20:09] | [R]: | and its still drawing 80 watts |
| [01:22:52] | wagnerrp: | S1 |
| [01:22:58] | wagnerrp: | S1 is largely worthless |
| [01:23:02] | wagnerrp: | S3 is what you want |
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| [01:23:43] | [R]: | well it won't S3 |
| [01:23:55] | [R]: | i tried all the command line options to pm-suspend |
| [01:26:06] | syamajala: | if a tuner is currently recording something and you go to watch tv how do you exit? |
| [01:26:17] | [R]: | i love how awesomely documented the ubuntu init scripts are |
| [01:26:22] | [R]: | (they aren't) |
| [01:26:35] | [R]: | syamajala: it won't start livetv if all your tuners are in use |
| [01:27:09] | sphery: | syamajala: go to Watch Recordings and either watch something there or select a recording in progress, then INFO|Stop Recording (or INFO|Delete Recording) |
| [01:27:50] | syamajala: | i went to watch tv while a tuner was in use, and it let me select the current recording |
| [01:28:00] | syamajala: | but i can't get out of it |
| [01:29:55] | sphery: | syamajala: get out with Esc |
| [01:30:08] | syamajala: | not working |
| [01:30:45] | sphery: | tried a keyboard as well as a remote control? |
| [01:30:51] | sphery: | could be a focus issue |
| [01:30:56] | sphery: | if using keyboard |
| [01:31:04] | sphery: | or a broken remote mapping is using remote |
| [01:31:30] | syamajala: | i'm using a keyboard don't have a remote |
| [01:31:49] | sphery: | then there's likely a focus problem |
| [01:31:51] | sphery: | try switching windows, then back |
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| [01:32:14] | sphery: | or switch desktops and then back |
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| [02:08:57] | pelmen: | guys, where does mythtv keeps configuration files ? |
| [02:09:12] | [R]: | pelmen: which configuration are you talkinhg about |
| [02:09:22] | pelmen: | frontend |
| [02:09:28] | pelmen: | like sound, sync options |
| [02:09:45] | [R]: | its all in the database |
| [02:10:03] | pelmen: | cause my tv is overscanning and menues do not fit, i can not see what i am clicking |
| [02:10:29] | pelmen: | [R]: any suggestions ? |
| [02:10:47] | [R]: | plug in a monitor and fix your settings? |
| [02:10:54] | pelmen: | damn :) |
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| [03:05:31] | syamajala: | i'm trying to use 6200ch with firewire on a motorola dch3200 |
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| [03:19:13] | syamajala: | hmm |
| [03:19:23] | syamajala: | so you can get some hd channels over firewire right? |
| [03:21:10] | [R]: | syamajala: that depends on your provider |
| [03:21:18] | syamajala: | comcast |
| [03:22:02] | syamajala: | i hooked up my cable box through firewire |
| [03:22:06] | syamajala: | and i setup 6200ch |
| [03:22:06] | iamlindoro: | Depends on the particular headend |
| [03:22:36] | syamajala: | i also added the box in myth with firewire |
| [03:23:30] | syamajala: | but i'm not sure how to switch from composite 1 to firewire in mythfrontend |
| [03:24:03] | elmojo: | barely missed the first Christmas day trac update :( |
| [03:24:25] | [R]: | syamajala: you dont... myth does |
| [03:24:35] | [R]: | syamajala: try to watch a channel tahts only avaialbe on the firewire input |
| [03:24:49] | syamajala: | like an hd channel? |
| [03:25:03] | iamlindoro: | Menu, switch inputs |
| [03:25:19] | iamlindoro: | but bear in mind you are unlikely to get much at all via firewire |
| [03:26:11] | syamajala: | yeah it works |
| [03:27:20] | syamajala: | or at least it was |
| [03:27:31] | syamajala: | i was changing channels and then the screen became blank |
| [03:27:53] | iamlindoro: | because you switched to a channel that is 5C |
| [03:28:22] | syamajala: | i think it froze too |
| [03:28:26] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: is your net video plugin going to be included with 0.23? |
| [03:28:59] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, don't know about it being included, but it ought to at least be available |
| [03:30:10] | syamajala: | iamlindoro: every time i switch to firewire now it just gives me a blank screen |
| [03:30:33] | iamlindoro: | syamajala, because it's set to start on a channel you can't get |
| [03:31:04] | iamlindoro: | only way to get back to it is to stop the backend, set the starting channel to one you get in mythtv-setup, and bring the beackend back up |
| [03:31:04] | syamajala: | is there a way to figure out what channels i can get? |
| [03:31:15] | iamlindoro: | nope, need to do it manually |
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| [03:40:16] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you use mythbrowser much... trying to load www.justin.tv and it does a redirect and runs into an error |
| [03:40:35] | elmojo: | something related to SSL |
| [03:41:00] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I use MythBrowser as a part of MNV, but haven't tried justin.tv before |
| [03:42:00] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, confirmed, I just tested and saw that too |
| [03:42:08] | iamlindoro: | probably worth filing a bug for it |
| [03:43:26] | elmojo: | maybe cookie related |
| [03:43:43] | elmojo: | does MythBrowser support cookies? |
| [03:43:47] | iamlindoro: | browser also likes to crash if you pass it a downloadable file |
| [03:43:51] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, don't know |
| [03:44:15] | elmojo: | easier just to launch Chrome |
| [03:44:23] | elmojo: | :) |
| [03:44:39] | iamlindoro: | odd attitude coming from the guy fixing all the internal player issues ;) |
| [03:45:38] | syamajala: | sometimes i get a message that says error opening jump program file buffer |
| [03:48:34] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I'm just tired |
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| [04:04:09] | squish102: | what is a resonable number of times i can split a cable connection without boosting it? |
| [04:05:02] | squish102: | and what do you call those boosters? any good cheap places to buy them in the US? |
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| [04:15:05] | jams: | amp, and depending on the incoming signal and the splitter itself 3 is a good number |
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| [04:21:09] | squish102: | thanks jams, i think i have 5 splitters in at the moment :( |
| [04:21:56] | squish102: | (1 -> 2) 4 of those and a (1 -> 4) 1 of those |
| [04:23:00] | squish102: | (now that i had to put a HDhomerun in, i had to throw in 2 more splitters |
| [04:32:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... Well, Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays folks... ;-) |
| [04:34:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Got all my systems up on 0.22, then installed some FC11 updates to one of my systems, and now it hangs at the X load screen with just the mouse cursor and 'background busy' pointer indefinetly... The last message in dmesg is "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" – ssh & console shells work... I'm kinda lost what else to look at... |
| [04:34:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | fstab mounts happen... strange... |
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| [04:39:35] | sphery: | squish102: 3 splits doesn't mean 3 splitters--it means 1 input and 3 outputs on 1 splitter :) |
| [04:40:11] | sphery: | but if you don't see issues with the signal, it may be good enough |
| [04:40:29] | iamlindoro: | though few cable signals will put up with 8 passive splits |
| [04:40:50] | iamlindoro: | and actually... looks liek 12 for you, yikes |
| [04:41:34] | iamlindoro: | whether you are getting corruption on playback or not (I suspect you probably are), it's a safe bet that some part of that signal is getting corrupted |
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| [04:46:28] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: ps -eH x |
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| [04:50:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Maybe you'll see something... ;-) http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1726512 |
| [04:50:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: nothing's consuming CPU time... |
| [04:51:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's Google usage seems to be an epic fail for this too... ** | |
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| [05:15:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, it was autologin stuff in /etc/gdm/custom.conf — it worked BEFORE the updates... but hung my system at gdm startup after... yikes. |
| [05:16:53] | jblack: | i don't suppose there's a menu somewhere in which the frontend reports it's ip? |
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| [05:18:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jblack: I don't think so, but "ifconfig" in a shell will show it... why? |
| [05:19:01] | jblack: | because I"m looking for the front end so that I can ssh to it. :) |
| [05:19:30] | jblack: | I found where it plopped down on dhcp. Yay arp |
| [05:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | jblack: ssh by name? ;-) |
| [05:21:41] | ** J-e-f-f-A just gives his frontends Static IPs... ;-) ** | |
| [05:22:41] | jblack: | I bet you also give your frontends ethernet cards |
| [05:22:59] | jblack: | and processors, and memory and actual hard drives. :) |
| [05:23:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | jblack: Ethernet cards? Not anymore... on-board ethernet dude! ;-) (gig even!) |
| [05:24:21] | jblack: | fine. ethernet cables. |
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| [05:25:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [05:26:18] | jblack: | my main frontend is a teensy little eeepc with a 4 gig flash drive and.. I dont' remember.. maybe all of 512 megs of ram, if that. |
| [05:26:43] | jblack: | oh cool. lirc broke |
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| [05:28:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | jblack: if you just put on 0.22 – you may need to change it to use /dev/lircd like I had to use... ;-) |
| [05:31:02] | jblack: | or I just need to reinstall lirc after accidentally uninstalling it. =D |
| [05:31:28] | oobe: | ln -s /var/run/lirc/lircd /dev/lircd |
| [05:31:33] | oobe: | is what i do |
| [05:31:58] | oobe: | i cant verify the paths will work for you as ur system/s may be different |
| [05:32:03] | jblack: | Nah. I just needed to fix an unintentional uninstall with an intetional reinstall. =) |
| [05:32:16] | oobe: | oh lol |
| [05:32:25] | jblack: | I finally got around to fixing my missing osd font problem and unintetionally removed lirc. |
| [05:32:58] | jblack: | fonts with letters are so cool. ;) |
| [05:35:25] | jblack: | I think one of my tv stations changed transponders or something, because I'm getting 0% signal. |
| [05:35:31] | jblack: | is that possible? |
| [05:37:41] | [R]: | anything is possible |
| [05:40:51] | jblack: | Yeah. I think they changed frequencies. |
| [05:41:11] | jblack: | I think they did it because they don't like me. I think they want to make me sad |
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| [05:57:23] | oobe: | merry xmas to all |
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| [05:59:11] | ** wagnerrp wonders how long it will take to fill an external 2TB drive ** | |
| [05:59:43] | [R]: | 100mbit/s is so slow |
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| [06:00:02] | wagnerrp: | sure, but i can pull 60+MB/s over gigabit/samba |
| [06:00:31] | [R]: | i want to resize my myth data partition |
| [06:00:39] | [R]: | but i want to back it up just incase i screw it up |
| [06:01:50] | wagnerrp: | bah... 1:01AM and the bag of crap is already sold out |
| [06:04:08] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:04:11] | [R]: | my sister got one once |
| [06:04:18] | wagnerrp: | really... anything good? |
| [06:05:34] | wagnerrp: | so i plug the drive in and whats the first thing i do? |
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| [06:05:50] | wagnerrp: | break windows by trying to copy something with a cyclic symlink |
| [06:06:12] | wagnerrp: | why there was such a thing? i dont know, i didnt put it there |
| [06:06:25] | [R]: | i dont know what she got |
| [06:06:59] | [R]: | i'm 90% done with my myth |
| [06:07:03] | [R]: | got my new backend tucked away nicely |
| [06:07:11] | [R]: | got WOL and wake on RTC working |
| [06:08:40] | wagnerrp: | 50min for the 115GB ive got locally |
| [06:09:02] | wagnerrp: | ill probably stop by work this weekend, connect the drive, and hit 'copy' |
| [06:09:15] | wagnerrp: | ive got some 1.5TB i want to archive off the array there |
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| [06:28:11] | crankharder: | is there a keybinding Page up and page down for lirc? i've tried "PageUp", "PgUp" as the config, and no luck |
| [06:29:29] | [R]: | crankharder: in the "Edit Keys" it'll tell you what the keybinding is for those... then you set that in your lirc config |
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| [06:50:26] | den0ts_: | anyone awake? |
| [06:50:31] | den0ts_: | i got my livetv working |
| [06:50:36] | den0ts_: | i had some vsync option checked |
| [06:51:01] | den0ts_: | now it plays, but it looks like the video is up higher in the screen, and the bottom part is the distorted |
| [06:51:04] | den0ts_: | one sec i took a screen |
| [06:53:09] | den0ts_: | http://hebs.doesntexist.org/mythtv2.jpg |
| [06:54:54] | den0ts_: | woops |
| [06:55:05] | den0ts_: | http://hebs.doesntexist.org/images/mythtv2.jpg |
| [06:57:10] | den0ts_: | shit that didnt work either did it |
| [06:57:26] | den0ts_: | http://hebs.doesntexist.org/images/mythtv2.png |
| [06:58:22] | cesman: | looks almost like an issue w/ the source |
| [07:03:07] | den0ts_: | ok wait i fixed it |
| [07:03:11] | den0ts_: | i hit M in live tv |
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| [07:03:14] | den0ts_: | and did manual zoom |
| [07:03:20] | den0ts_: | then hit the down arrow till it moved it down |
| [07:03:35] | den0ts_: | but the setting doesnt stick if I hit esc and then go back to livetv |
| [07:07:07] | den0ts_: | ok nevermind |
| [07:07:23] | den0ts_: | fixed it |
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| [08:29:18] | galen: | i've found that ffmpeg-mt degrades quality as compared to ffmpeg; do people see a quality difference between ffmpeg software h.264 decoding and vdpau decoding? |
| [08:43:08] | [R]: | well what doese ffmpeg regular vs ffmpeg-mt look like |
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| [12:11:27] | antgel: | gbee: indeed. sorry for being a bit thick |
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| [12:31:47] | antgel: | right, i've painstakingly tried to get my ITV HD up and running with: |
| [12:31:55] | antgel: | UPDATE channel SET channum = 10510 WHERE chanid = 66440; |
| [12:31:55] | antgel: | UPDATE channel SET mplexid = 21 WHERE chanid = 66440; |
| [12:31:55] | antgel: | UPDATE channel SET serviceid = 10510 WHERE chanid = 66440; |
| [12:32:28] | antgel: | as far as i can see, that puts it in line with gbee's database at http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1711197 |
| [12:32:56] | antgel: | so i browse to the channel, and i get: |
| [12:34:23] | antgel: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1726699 |
| [12:35:05] | antgel: | that's in the backend log |
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| [12:55:56] | mchou: | antgel: umm, why are you doing it that way? |
| [13:05:46] | antgel: | mchou: hey. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7546 means it's not possible to scan the channel at the moment |
| [13:06:23] | mchou: | dude, I know it's not possible |
| [13:06:55] | antgel: | mchou: but it still exists, so i thought getting my database tables in line would be the way to receive it |
| [13:07:01] | mchou: | but what's the point on relying on somebody else's db? |
| [13:07:31] | mchou: | you'd be much better off using dvb scan yourself |
| [13:07:46] | antgel: | mchou: it's the same channel, i don't see why it shouldn't work |
| [13:07:57] | mchou: | umm, scan that comes with dvbutils or whatever it's called |
| [13:08:49] | antgel: | mchou: i already have the correct entry in dvb_multiplex (i reckon), i thought it was just a case of linking that to the correct entry in the channel table |
| [13:08:57] | mchou: | it wouldnt work cause his data in dtv_multiplex is most likely different from yours |
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| [13:09:22] | mchou: | it's not a matter of the correct "entry" |
| [13:09:31] | antgel: | mchou: ah. he did suggest (last night) that tuning data might be slightly out for different users |
| [13:09:48] | mchou: | you need to make sure the whole row is consistent |
| [13:10:14] | antgel: | i chose mplexid = 21 on the basis that it had the same transport id (2315). |
| [13:10:27] | mchou: | that's what you get when relying on somebody else |
| [13:10:31] | antgel: | can i not rely on transportid as the correct identifier here? |
| [13:10:38] | mchou: | no real way to fish for yourself |
| [13:10:51] | mchou: | use dvb scan |
| [13:10:57] | mchou: | it's infallible |
| [13:11:26] | mchou: | plus you'd UNDERSTAND what you're doing instead of blindly copying someone else |
| [13:11:30] | antgel: | mchou: i'll do a scan with dvb scan for sure, just to clarify, are you telling me that i'll most likely need to add an entry to dvb_multiplex? |
| [13:11:58] | antgel: | mchou: i try to understand, it wasn't a total blind copy, but there is a fairly steep learning curve with DVB |
| [13:12:26] | mchou: | antgel: I dont live in the UK. but chances are the entries in somebody elese's dtv_mplex is different from yours |
| [13:12:45] | mchou: | i.e. cardinality, etc |
| [13:13:02] | mchou: | you link to the wrong one all bets are off |
| [13:13:17] | antgel: | i perhaps naively thought that since it was DVB-S and we're pointing at the same satellite, it would be fairly straightforward |
| [13:13:45] | antgel: | let's see what scan outputs, not forgetting that ITV HD is doing some munging somewhere to avoid detection |
| [13:14:05] | mchou: | dude, if you're so sure it's the same for both of you then you need to copy both his chnnal and dtv_mplex tables |
| [13:14:12] | mchou: | not individual rows |
| [13:14:25] | mchou: | channel* |
| [13:15:00] | antgel: | but why should i care about rows in the table that aren't related to the "problem child"? |
| [13:15:09] | mchou: | sigh... |
| [13:15:21] | mchou: | because it's freaking indexed DIFFERENTLY |
| [13:15:23] | mchou: | wtf |
| [13:15:45] | mchou: | it reallty doesnt get any simpler than this |
| [13:15:46] | antgel: | yes, but i know how to look up a primary key based on the criteria i need |
| [13:15:54] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:16:27] | mchou: | then you shouldnt be having this problem and blathering about it here then, woukld you? |
| [13:16:35] | antgel: | e.g. it's mplexid 62 on his, but 21 on mine |
| [13:17:02] | antgel: | mchou: apparently i would and i am. i could be wrong, but i think you've assumed that i'm thicker than i actually am |
| [13:17:43] | mchou: | I haven't assumed anything other than you did a "copy" |
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| [13:18:19] | mchou: | like you said, 61 mapped to 21 |
| [13:18:26] | antgel: | mchou: when did i say i did a "copy"? |
| [13:18:58] | mchou: | cause you linked someone else's row |
| [13:19:25] | antgel: | no, i linked my row, with the same transportid (2315) as i know that's the correct transport for ITV HD |
| [13:19:41] | mchou: | oh for goodnesses sakes |
| [13:20:16] | mchou: | you linked you row to somebody eleses'd row... that somehow is no longer "copying"? |
| [13:20:27] | mchou: | your* |
| [13:21:04] | antgel: | i didn't link it to somebody else's row. i had the row in my database from my original transport scan. i never added any row manually to the dtv_multiplex table |
| [13:21:09] | mchou: | dude, if you really want to know what's going on and be able to verify it use dvb scan |
| [13:21:17] | antgel: | right, i'll try, thanks |
| [13:21:43] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:22:08] | mchou: | and since the myth tv scan is broken, how did you get the original transports? |
| [13:22:37] | antgel: | the mythtv scan isn't broken, at least not on my DVB-S and DVB-T backends |
| [13:22:54] | mchou: | hmm? |
| [13:23:11] | antgel: | the mythtv scan isn't broken |
| [13:24:07] | mchou: | Then I dont get it |
| [13:24:25] | mchou: | if it's not broken why isnt it picking up your channel? |
| [13:24:58] | antgel: | did you read the bug report or what i said ^^ about ITV HD munging stuff to avoid detection? |
| [13:25:25] | mchou: | I read you bug report |
| [13:25:25] | antgel: | with the greatest respect, if you don't understand the precise situation, it might be best not to go on a generic rant |
| [13:26:04] | mchou: | you dont exactly say how ITV is avoiding detection |
| [13:27:03] | antgel: | well, i don't know how. apparently some devs might know. or they might not. but the fact remains that once myth is tuned properly, it can pick up the channel |
| [13:27:29] | mchou: | dude |
| [13:27:45] | antgel: | the channel is a "special case", they don't want to be manually tuned in by users of Sky set-top boxes, they only want to be available via Freesat and the red button |
| [13:27:58] | mchou: | my point if your so called bug report is vague, and cant be substantiated even by yourself |
| [13:28:20] | mchou: | you've made some allegations that you can't back up one way or another |
| [13:28:56] | antgel: | "Changed 3 weeks ago by stuartm" ... "We know what the bug is." |
| [13:29:33] | mchou: | right, he said "bug" he didnt say ITV was engaged in obfuscation |
| [13:29:52] | mchou: | you see the difference? |
| [13:29:52] | antgel: | but that has been established by discussions here and on #m. next question? |
| [13:30:04] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:30:23] | mchou: | no. the mythtv scan has been broken for a long time |
| [13:30:46] | mchou: | it's not because some channel engaged in avoiding detection |
| [13:31:18] | antgel: | but you don't know anything about the ITV HD-specific issue |
| [13:31:41] | mchou: | I know enough that it can be tuned |
| [13:31:59] | mchou: | therefore they aren't doing anything extraordinary |
| [13:32:57] | mchou: | they don't violate physical laws of the universe or causality in some fashion |
| [13:34:08] | antgel: | i'll rephrase: |
| [13:34:16] | antgel: | but you don't know *enough* about the ITV HD-specific issue |
| [13:35:23] | mchou: | dude, I'll rephrase for you. It's much more likely mythtv scanner missed it because scanner logic was broken rather than ITV doing some nefarious |
| [13:35:47] | mchou: | ESPECIALLY since ITV can still be tuned |
| [13:36:13] | mchou: | you jumped to some far fetched conclusion |
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| [13:36:19] | antgel: | i hear that. but it goes against all previous discussions on the matter |
| [13:36:42] | antgel: | i didn't jump to that conclusion, it's what i was told on here and #m by people who know more than me |
| [13:36:58] | mchou: | right |
| [13:37:09] | mchou: | cough cough |
| [13:38:31] | mchou: | dvb scan has been infallible. unless dvb scan doesn't detect it, stop complaining ITV is going out of their way |
| [13:38:38] | antgel: | let's see what scan outputs, i'll leave it running while i jump in this bath |
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| [14:00:00] | antgel: | mchou: didn't appear in scan output. however have realised that i had my polarity wrong compared to gbee. so inserted row into dvb_multiplex, and linked that to channel table. this time i get 'irrecoverable recorder error' |
| [14:00:28] | antgel: | at least i have some backend errors that i might be able to work with |
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| [14:00:41] | antgel: | DTVMux, Error: Invalid S2 modulation system parameter '1', aborting. |
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| [14:03:59] | antgel: | ah, sourceid is all wrong for starters *slaps head* |
| [14:06:13] | antgel: | same error |
| [14:07:24] | mchou: | sigh |
| [14:08:00] | antgel: | mod_sys was wrong as well, should have been DVB-S. i'm getting there |
| [14:09:13] | antgel: | AND WE'RE IN :-D |
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| [15:05:00] | antgel: | that's interesting. BBC HD is smooth as a baby's arse, but ITV HD is a bit jerky. i'll have to try with -v playback. but can't stop the frontend while the parents are watching the queen's speech *sigh* |
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| [15:08:50] | Hoxzer: | hmm, would be pretty cool to have a mythfrontend for nokia n900 |
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| [15:21:10] | oobe: | antgel, if possible you should try VDPAU if you arnt using it already |
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| [15:21:50] | oobe: | Hoxzer, i think you could stream video through mythweb on your nokia |
| [15:23:28] | antgel: | oobe: already using VDPAU |
| [15:24:47] | oobe: | oh well maybe experimenting with deinterlacers will help |
| [15:26:57] | Hoxzer: | oobe: Yeah, but it isn't possible to rewind that stream |
| [15:27:57] | oobe: | why not it should still be in the livetv recording group |
| [15:28:12] | oobe: | oh sorry |
| [15:28:19] | oobe: | you were talking about somthing else |
| [15:31:37] | Hoxzer: | because n900 runs pretty much full blown linux I wouldn't be suprised if one could compile mythfrontend for it and then tunnel the database connection through ssh. |
| [15:32:08] | Hoxzer: | there still might be problems with bandwith |
| [15:32:21] | Hoxzer: | or video resolution (n900 screen is 800x400) |
| [15:37:31] | oobe: | it wouldnt need ssh if it can connect to the same network |
| [15:37:45] | oobe: | but i dont know if it could |
| [15:37:57] | oobe: | sounds like a cool idea |
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| [15:39:35] | shix: | hi, does scanning work for analog tv cards? |
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| [16:13:07] | CShadowRun: | Is there any way to fix FreeSat scrambled channel numbers? |
| [16:13:11] | CShadowRun: | Besides go through all 330 manually? |
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| [16:18:48] | CShadowRun: | also schedule information would be nice :P |
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| [18:00:06] | jblack: | I wish they'd stop cancelling shows I love and stop keeping crap I hate. |
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| [18:03:26] | jblack: | Here's the rule to tv production... if jblack hates it, give it a good 30 seasons. if jblack loves it, cancel it after season 2. |
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| [18:13:04] | defaultro: | good afternoon folks. What key in keyboard should I press to stop music in MythMusic? |
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| [18:18:16] | defaultro: | ignore folks, found it, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic |
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| [18:18:21] | shix: | hi, is there any way to convert tvtime's stationlist.xml so that mythtv can use it? |
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| [18:59:02] | tzanger: | actually this might be a good channel to ask in... plasma or lcd above a fireplace in a living room with a big window? it'll be doing mythgallery most of the time |
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| [19:04:03] | darkfrog: | I thought all my recordings were getting screwed up while recording on my mythbox but just figured out it's the playback that is messing up. It says that the video is HD1080, and though it was recorded through my HD-PVR, the channel is not HD and the audio/video is pausing on playback. I can watch it from another machine and it's fine though. I can also watch videos and it's fine...it seems to have been caused by something in the |
| [19:10:19] | iamlindoro: | The HD-PVR records the output of your set top box-- so if your set top box is putting out 1080i full time (as many will by default) then all your recordings with the HD-PVR will be 1080i |
| [19:10:39] | iamlindoro: | and it's likely stuttering because the machine doesn't have the power to decode/deinterlace the recording |
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| [19:14:13] | darkfrog: | iamlindoro: but that's what's weird...I have videos that are HD I can watch that work just fine....and it never used to have problems before...and it's a dual-core 64-bit system with 2gig of memory |
| [19:14:49] | darkfrog: | ...and my video player is the internal player |
| [19:15:10] | iamlindoro: | darkfrog, "HD" is a totally abstract term, the HD-PVR puts out content that is many times more difficult to play back than anything you can download, and any MPEG-2 HD |
| [19:15:36] | iamlindoro: | And dual core doesn't help you in the slightest with HD-PVR material |
| [19:15:37] | darkfrog: | the videos are H.264 |
| [19:15:40] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter |
| [19:16:08] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVR puts out H.264 *single sliced*, which means only the raw clock speed of a single core is relevant |
| [19:16:08] | darkfrog: | but why would this just start happening when it had been working fine? |
| [19:16:33] | iamlindoro: | because you either changed the bitrate, changed set top box settings, stopped using VDPAU, changed deitnerlacers... any number of things |
| [19:16:45] | darkfrog: | VDPAU? |
| [19:16:49] | iamlindoro: | |
| [19:22:37] | darkfrog: | enabled VDPAU and now when I go to watch recordings it says "Starting Video" and just stays there |
| [19:22:59] | darkfrog: | can't even exit without killing the process |
| [19:23:04] | iamlindoro: | well you can't enable VDPAU unless your card and rviers support it... |
| [19:23:06] | iamlindoro: | er drivers |
| [19:23:18] | iamlindoro: | s/can't/shouldn't/ |
| [19:23:19] | darkfrog: | oh...well, I guess that explains that. :) |
| [19:24:08] | iamlindoro: | it's almost certain (unless your CPU is > 3.0 Ghz per core and very recent) that your CPU cannot handle high bitrate HD-PVR output at full bitrate with complicated deinterlacers |
| [19:24:27] | iamlindoro: | so you can start by trying turning of deinterlace and see if it helps... and if it doesn't, reduce the recording bitate |
| [19:26:37] | darkfrog: | deinterlacing where? |
| [19:26:45] | iamlindoro: | playback profiles |
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| [19:27:09] | darkfrog: | thanks |
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| [19:35:34] | darkfrog: | iamlindoro: ....I can't find a deinterlacing setting in Playback Profiles |
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| [19:37:56] | maccco: | hi all, since I upgraded to 0.22 all programs long description are trimmed very short. They are full lenght in the database anyway. How do I show them full size? |
| [19:43:48] | iamlindoro: | darkfrog, Because you're not editing them |
| [19:44:15] | iamlindoro: | maccco, That's dependent on theme... if you want to modify text sizes or spacings, you need to write or edit a theme |
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| [19:46:52] | maccco: | iamlindoro: but it's very very short. Whe did the teme clip it so much? |
| [19:47:32] | iamlindoro: | no idea what in particular you are looking at, but presumably the theme author felt that if showed enough of their description |
| [19:47:32] | maccco: | I mean the long description where you read the plot... it's trimmed to about 10 chars |
| [19:47:46] | iamlindoro: | The plot appears in probably three dozen places |
| [19:48:23] | maccco: | so do you think it's a wrong xmltv input? |
| [19:48:30] | iamlindoro: | doubtful |
| [19:48:57] | iamlindoro: | Again, it's likely a theming decision, and will vary per-theme, per screen, etc. |
| [19:49:11] | maccco: | because it's strange, it happens also with old themes that were in 0.21 too |
| [19:49:32] | maccco: | but in 0.21 showed up well |
| [19:49:38] | iamlindoro: | None of the themes that were in .21 were forward ported |
| [19:49:51] | iamlindoro: | all of the "old" themes in .22 are not their old selves |
| [19:49:59] | maccco: | i see |
| [19:50:06] | iamlindoro: | they are just the menus from the old ones, and fall back to the default for all other screens |
| [19:50:32] | maccco: | i thought mythcenter theme was f-ported |
| [19:50:35] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [19:50:57] | maccco: | anyway, can you read some program description in your ui? |
| [19:51:05] | maccco: | i really can't |
| [19:51:12] | iamlindoro: | maccco, once again, you are being very imprecise |
| [19:51:19] | iamlindoro: | the description appears in *dozens* of places |
| [19:51:26] | iamlindoro: | and again, will vary per-theme |
| [19:51:39] | iamlindoro: | so you need to either provide precise information or a screenshot |
| [19:51:51] | maccco: | wait a min i check |
| [19:52:03] | maccco: | now I understand what did you mean |
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| [19:53:48] | maccco: | it's the same in the program guide and when watching livetv |
| [19:54:17] | iamlindoro: | maccco, you are killing me |
| [19:54:20] | iamlindoro: | varies PER THEME |
| [19:54:44] | maccco: | sorry, don't want to kill in Christmas day :) |
| [19:55:35] | iamlindoro: | please just take a screenshot, as it would be less frustrating |
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| [19:56:05] | ** programm1rq is going to get an acer aspire revo and hdhomerun with christmas money. ** | |
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| [19:56:42] | maccco: | k |
| [20:03:44] | maccco: | http://picander.dyndns.org/shot.jpg |
| [20:06:31] | maccco: | iamlindoro: did you see? |
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| [20:14:23] | syamajala: | whats a good pci express tuner for analog signals? |
| [20:16:01] | maccco: | i have a pci, don't know about pci express |
| [20:17:35] | maccco: | iamlindoro: it happens in the same ways with the temes mythbuntu, mythcenter, terra. It happens also in my laptop which connects as a frontend |
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| [20:18:49] | syamajala: | i have a pci one too, but my system only has 1 pci slot |
| [20:19:03] | syamajala: | it has 3 pcie slots though, 2 1x and 1 16x |
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| [20:22:00] | maccco: | anyone else can help me? |
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| [20:28:39] | maccco: | :( |
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| [20:45:23] | syamajala: | maybe i should look into usb |
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| [21:25:05] | gizmobay: | To use fanart and mythvideos across multiple frontends, do I have to setup storage groups vs locally on the BE? |
| [21:25:44] | [R]: | or you can use nfs shares |
| [21:25:52] | [R]: | but you make it sound like using storage groups is such a hard thing to do |
| [21:26:26] | gizmobay: | I have'em locally and on my remote FE it crashes when trying to view vids |
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| [21:27:03] | gizmobay: | The only reason I don't want to do is because I'll have to move everything over |
| [21:28:22] | [R]: | it crashes as in segfault? what does the log say |
| [21:28:29] | [R]: | its not crashing because its local vs storage group |
| [21:29:28] | gizmobay: | Recorded shows no problem, just vids |
| [21:29:49] | gizmobay: | not much in the logs |
| [21:29:58] | gizmobay: | need to run -v error |
| [21:30:40] | gizmobay: | -v important that is |
| [21:31:52] | gizmobay: | didn't say much |
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| [21:32:52] | [R]: | so what happen |
| [21:32:53] | [R]: | s |
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| [21:33:27] | gizmobay: | I hit Videos and then it just flashes no videos found and then seg faults |
| [21:33:40] | [R]: | so file a bug report |
| [21:34:02] | gizmobay: | could be my setup |
| [21:34:10] | [R]: | it should never segfault... |
| [21:34:31] | gizmobay: | i see makes sense |
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| [21:36:09] | gizmobay: | Wonder if changeset 22985 fixes the problem |
| [21:36:43] | gizmobay: | I'm at 22594 |
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| [21:48:44] | gizmobay: | Just added the daily build repo. Didn't fix the segfault |
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| [22:03:10] | antgel: | BBC HD subtitles (dis)appear mostly off the right of the screen – anyone familiar with this issue, or should i raise a new bug report? |
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| [22:29:45] | [R]: | i can set a recording and then watch it... but if i try to watch livetv it craps itself |
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| [22:32:41] | bllz: | Hi: the sound during playback of recorded programs has a very annoying "hissing" static-like sound... I don't get this for any videos on mythvideo or music, or even liveTV. What could be the cause of this? |
| [22:32:46] | bllz: | i'm on version .22, btw |
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| [23:10:49] | shix: | is there any way of using an analog card with mythtv? |
| [23:11:00] | [R]: | did you read any of the documentation? |
| [23:11:08] | [R]: | cuz i'm assuming you didnt' |
| [23:11:30] | shix: | you are assuming wrong, i went over it again and again, wiki, browsing online |
| [23:11:35] | shix: | this is not the first time i'm here btw |
| [23:11:36] | mzb: | shix, "framegrabber" cards are commonly used |
| [23:11:40] | shix: | this is the third time :-) |
| [23:11:46] | [R]: | then why would you assume they didnt' work? |
| [23:11:58] | shix: | because i simply can't get it to "search channels" |
| [23:12:06] | shix: | it works perfectly in tvtime |
| [23:12:12] | shix: | but the search is disabled in mythtv |
| [23:12:23] | ctmjr: | shix: your on 22 |
| [23:12:28] | shix: | yes i am |
| [23:12:28] | mzb: | ensure you've got the correct tuner type selected in mythtv-setup |
| [23:12:47] | shix: | i presume it's ok, not much to change |
| [23:12:56] | ctmjr: | shix: they took out analog channel scan |
| [23:12:57] | shix: | permissions are a+rw on /dev/video |
| [23:13:14] | shix: | ctmjr, i read that |
| [23:13:34] | shix: | ctmjr, i was wondering in fact if you can switch the .xml generated by tvtime to mythtv |
| [23:13:46] | shix: | or some ways of entering frequencies manually |
| [23:14:04] | [R]: | what kind of analog are we talking about |
| [23:14:05] | [R]: | NTSC? |
| [23:14:06] | sid3windr: | huh |
| [23:14:09] | sid3windr: | seriously? |
| [23:14:13] | sid3windr: | no analog scan? |
| [23:14:29] | shix: | no pal bg .. ideally d |
| [23:14:34] | shix: | but it can work on pal bg |
| [23:15:00] | sid3windr: | mzb, also, framegrabber and analog are far from the same :) |
| [23:15:03] | shix: | again, card wise... everything is fine, tvtime searches, finds... no problem |
| [23:15:04] | bllz: | Anybody know what can cause hissing in a recording? |
| [23:15:19] | sid3windr: | crappy tuner card, bllz ? |
| [23:15:22] | shix: | it's an avermedia tvphone card type 6 tuner type 5 |
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| [23:15:27] | bllz: | original question: Hi: the sound during playback of recorded programs has a very annoying "hissing" static-like sound... I don't get this for any videos on mythvideo or music, or even liveTV. What could be the cause of this? |
| [23:15:35] | bllz: | sid3windr: yeah but it's only on recording playback |
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| [23:15:45] | sid3windr: | and not on...? |
| [23:15:56] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [23:15:56] | sid3windr: | huh |
| [23:15:58] | sid3windr: | livetv is ok? |
| [23:16:00] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [23:16:03] | bllz: | sid3windr: not on livetv playback... which makes me think that its a transcoder issue |
| [23:16:17] | bllz: | sid3windr: is there a way to check if something ahs been trasncoded yet? |
| [23:16:23] | sid3windr: | no clue :/ |
| [23:16:42] | bllz: | hmm... |
| [23:16:57] | bllz: | strange because now I have a recording that's not having that problem... i wonder if it's been transcoded yet |
| [23:17:27] | shix: | so, no way to scan analog? |
| [23:17:35] | shix: | perhaps svn... contains some more updates? |
| [23:17:46] | bllz: | shix: you can scan analog |
| [23:18:06] | sid3windr: | I would be very surprised if that were removed |
| [23:18:32] | shix: | bllz, how? :-S the button is disabled? |
| [23:19:00] | bllz: | shix: then maybe your card isn't supported? I'm not sure... I know that with my pvr150 i could scan analog |
| [23:19:23] | shix: | hmm, it's one of those classic bttv cards... |
| [23:19:34] | shix: | thing is, i remember it was perfectly supported a year ago or so |
| [23:20:09] | bllz: | shix: hmm... i really don't know what to tell you. I'm really not a mythtv expert |
| [23:20:22] | bllz: | other than it *should* be possible |
| [23:20:29] | bllz: | maybe you can file a bug report? |
| [23:20:30] | iamlindoro: | analog scan is disabled in .22 |
| [23:20:31] | iamlindoro: | so no |
| [23:20:37] | bllz: | well there you go |
| [23:20:42] | sid3windr: | :[ |
| [23:20:42] | bllz: | iamlindoro: why is that, btw? |
| [23:20:54] | iamlindoro: | Because no analog scanner has been written for the new scanner yet |
| [23:21:05] | bllz: | iamlindoro: fair enough =) |
| [23:21:10] | shix: | hmm, so svn is a dead end too? |
| [23:21:27] | iamlindoro: | it's not a dead end, but it won't give you analog channel scan |
| [23:22:05] | shix: | 0.21? |
| [23:22:28] | iamlindoro: | .21 is before the channel scanner rewrite, so yes, you could scan with it |
| [23:22:44] | shix: | ah great :-) thank you |
| [23:23:55] | bllz: | so if that hiss is the result of the transcoder, do you guys think that setting the transcoders to "lossless" will fix it? |
| [23:25:17] | [R]: | wtf, why does mythweb hate me... i have remote control turned on... i check the db... yet mythwebs till claims there are no frontends to control |
| [23:25:34] | shix: | anyways thanks for the help peeps |
| [23:26:00] | shix: | and [R] perhaps you should keep your smug attitude to yourself in the future, just a notch... have fun |
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| [23:26:22] | bllz: | lol shix.... umad? |
| [23:26:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [23:26:44] | bllz: | [R], I can't tell if he was kidding or not |
| [23:27:10] | [R]: | my stupid backend keeps decide to turn off |
| [23:27:16] | [R]: | even though my frontend is very much running |
| [23:32:58] | bllz: | so nobody knows how to check if a recording has been transcoded yet? |
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| [23:37:01] | bllz: | !XvMC |
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| [23:43:53] | sid3windr: | haha [R], looks like he still held it against you that you thought he didn't read the docs ;) |
| [23:44:12] | cesman: | bllz: you can find job details under System Info |
| [23:44:33] | bllz: | cesman: for a specific recording? i must have missed it... |
| [23:44:53] | bllz: | sid3windr: as they say ... lolhemad |
| [23:46:15] | bllz: | cesman: i don't see that anywhere... |
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| [23:55:25] | bllz: | hey for some reason i can't get a dvd to play... when i insert it and go to the "optical disks' menu and select "play dvd" I get a dialogue promting me for the dvd drive to play from (I have 2), but when I press select it goes back to the main menu |
| [23:55:30] | bllz: | any thoughts? |
| [23:55:36] | bllz: | i ahve libdvdcss2 installed (ubuntu system) |
| [23:57:35] | [R]: | bllz: what does the lgo say |
| [23:57:53] | bllz: | [R]: sorry, lgo? |
| [23:57:57] | [R]: | log... |
| [23:58:04] | bllz: | oh lol. which one? |
| [23:58:13] | [R]: | the frontend log... |
| [23:58:15] | bllz: | (sorry, i'm not much of a power user... still learning) |
| [23:58:17] | bllz: | ah okay hang on... |
| [23:59:06] | bllz: | [R]: where is that usually located? |
| [23:59:20] | [R]: | on the output from mythfrontend |
| [23:59:27] | [R]: | or wherever you told it to go when you started the frontend |
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