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| [00:00:06] | syamajala: | my cable box has a serial port on it |
| [00:00:25] | syamajala: | but i don't think its enabled |
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| [00:23:39] | wagnerrp: | why would you log into a channel and ask what the topic is |
| [00:23:51] | wagnerrp: | doesnt that get printed to your screen right as you join? |
| [00:24:05] | wagnerrp: | it has on every IRC client ive ever used |
| [00:25:17] | Dagmar: | Severe brain damage |
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| [00:28:47] | Nidhoegger: | xD |
| [00:28:56] | Nidhoegger: | type /topic |
| [00:30:12] | wagnerrp: | Nidhoegger: actually, he logged in and typed '!topic' |
| [00:30:19] | Nidhoegger: | lol |
| [00:30:29] | wagnerrp: | which is even worse since it requires you to be fed by some bot that may or may not exist |
| [00:31:11] | Nidhoegger: | maybe a weird mIRC script that blockes topic? |
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| [00:45:53] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would run something to block the topic, and then ask for it |
| [00:46:11] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would even bother blocking the topic unless you exit and join channels frequently |
| [00:46:14] | [R]: | i seriously think i'm doing something wrong... i got a brand new cable box... plugged in the firewire and i get nothing |
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| [00:46:25] | [R]: | they claim its enabled |
| [00:46:40] | wagnerrp: | youre expecting the cableco to follow the law and not lie |
| [00:46:48] | [R]: | lol |
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| [00:47:32] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: who knows how the irc !d10ts work. |
| [00:48:04] | oobe: | !topic |
| [00:48:09] | oobe: | yay it works |
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| [00:50:45] | [R]: | i know my firewire card works, cuz i tried a firewire hard drive once |
| [00:54:45] | crankharder: | so where did the theme choosing menu go? it's no longer under general? |
| [00:54:55] | [R]: | it was never under general |
| [00:55:14] | Dagmar: | Here's an idea. Try looking in the frontend setup menus |
| [00:55:20] | oobe: | appearance as always |
| [00:55:23] | Dagmar: | It's crazy, I know, but it just migth work. |
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| [00:56:25] | crankharder: | thanx, there's no appearance menu |
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| [00:56:44] | wagnerrp: | there is one, unless you manually edited the menu xml to remove it |
| [00:56:54] | crankharder: | or ubuntu did |
| [00:56:54] | Dagmar: | Well, file a complaint with the people who made your binaries and tell them they left it out of the box then. |
| [00:57:14] | Dagmar: | Perhaps they'll give you a partial refund. |
| [00:57:22] | wagnerrp: | you are in mythfrontend, not mythtv-setup, right? |
| [00:57:23] | oobe: | or you are not looking anywhere close to where one would expect to find it |
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| [00:59:28] | wagnerrp: | ooh... better off ted tonight |
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| [01:02:57] | syamajala: | hmm |
| [01:03:21] | syamajala: | i plugged the audio from cable box into my sound card, but i can hear stuff even when myth isn't open |
| [01:03:44] | syamajala: | is there a way to fix that? |
| [01:04:04] | wagnerrp: | do you have a framegrabber? |
| [01:04:28] | Dagmar: | Yes. It's on the wiki how you set that up |
| [01:04:34] | syamajala: | its an ati tv wonder uses bttv |
| [01:04:51] | wagnerrp: | then yes, what dagmar said |
| [01:04:57] | wagnerrp: | basically, you just mute the linein |
| [01:05:03] | wagnerrp: | so the card does not pass it back out to the speakers |
| [01:07:04] | syamajala: | the sound is also out of sync |
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| [01:07:23] | wagnerrp: | thats because myth has a ~2s lag between input and output |
| [01:07:26] | wagnerrp: | its all on the wiki |
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| [01:17:50] | syamajala: | it seems to work now |
| [01:17:52] | syamajala: | but its really quite |
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| [01:18:10] | syamajala: | i have the volume turned all the way up almost |
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| [01:20:37] | syamajala: | figured it out |
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| [01:27:18] | pgee_: | hi. i am compiling mythfronend for mac 10.6.2. using http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . -packager.pl i have had to adjust version numbers on some files, it looks like there is a problem compiling qt-mac-opensource-src-4.5.3.tar.gz. the error code is "[osx-pkg] Failed system call: " /usr/bin/make -j3 sub-plugins-install_subtargets-ordered install_qmake install_mkspecs " with error code 2" |
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| [01:43:26] | [R]: | ffs |
| [01:43:28] | [R]: | what are the actual chances that i had a bad firewire cable |
| [01:43:32] | [R]: | like a million to one? |
| [01:43:48] | [R]: | of course now my ass hurts because i got raped by best buy |
| [01:44:10] | wagnerrp: | how bad? |
| [01:44:23] | [R]: | $34 |
| [01:44:27] | [R]: | for a freakin firewire cable |
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| [01:47:20] | [R]: | so if i can get recording to work over firewire |
| [01:47:29] | [R]: | is it worth it to do an input group for the firewire and my hdpvr? |
| [01:48:27] | wagnerrp: | if theyre using the same STB |
| [01:49:00] | wagnerrp: | and you can notice the quality difference between straight digital |
| [01:49:05] | wagnerrp: | and hdpvr |
| [01:49:07] | [R]: | mmmm |
| [01:49:18] | [R]: | i guess i'll try it... and if its unreliable or whatever i'll just ditch it |
| [01:49:19] | Dagmar: | ...and don't forget gay digital. |
| [01:49:39] | wagnerrp: | well that would be the hdpvr |
| [01:49:46] | syamajala: | this is sick. |
| [01:49:49] | wagnerrp: | digital to analog to digital, it goes both ways |
| [01:49:53] | syamajala: | got mythfrontend working on my laptop |
| [01:50:10] | syamajala: | can watch tv wirelessly anywhere in my house now |
| [01:50:34] | wagnerrp: | sorta, expect momentary dropouts, and other interference |
| [01:51:24] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so wouldn't that be bi digital? |
| [01:51:43] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [01:52:01] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:55:23] | therealgalen: | when watching live TV with mythtv and vdpau... how well does it deal with corrupted transport streams? |
| [01:56:01] | [R]: | therealgalen: depends on how badly its corrupted |
| [01:56:28] | therealgalen: | [R]: what's your experience? |
| [01:56:38] | [R]: | i don't have corrupted streams |
| [01:57:01] | Dagmar: | It doesn't. Nothing will well. |
| [01:57:16] | Dagmar: | Otherwise they wouldn't be "corrupt" streams. You'd play them and have no idea. |
| [01:57:37] | Dagmar: | The simplest way to try to clean them up is to transcode them with a known, good transcoder. |
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| [02:00:52] | [R]: | wtf kind of nonsense is this |
| [02:01:03] | [R]: | "ignoring SA 4250HDC not supported" |
| [02:01:04] | [R]: | blast |
| [02:01:28] | wagnerrp: | seems no one has written a profile for that particular STB |
| [02:01:53] | [R]: | well i just found an ml post |
| [02:01:57] | [R]: | that says some guy is using the one i have |
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| [02:09:04] | afm: | completely reloaded everything. the only error i get when restarting mythbackend and frontend/watching live tv is : Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Error -1 while setting frequency (v2): Invalid argument |
| [02:09:21] | afm: | i have tried cable and broadcast if it's any help |
| [02:10:06] | Dagmar: | You have what kind of card? |
| [02:10:23] | Dagmar: | ...because based on that message, which frequency table you select doesn't mean a thing. |
| [02:10:57] | afm: | hauppauge hdpvr 1212 |
| [02:11:16] | Dagmar: | You using which version of mythtv? |
| [02:11:35] | afm: | it's over a year old, but i loaded the newest firmware on it last week...0.22 |
| [02:11:47] | wagnerrp: | youre trying to set a frequency table for something that is not a tuner? |
| [02:11:50] | Dagmar: | Oooo-kay. |
| [02:11:56] | Dagmar: | ...and with that answer I am stepping away. |
| [02:12:01] | Dagmar: | 0.22 isn't a year old. |
| [02:12:18] | afm: | the hdpvr is over a year old.... |
| [02:13:14] | Dagmar: | It also has no tuner. You have seriously erred in your configuration. |
| [02:13:18] | wagnerrp: | you set this up specifically as a hdpvr in mythtv-setup? not as one of the other input types? |
| [02:13:28] | iamlindoro: | he's set the "preset tuner to channel" setting |
| [02:13:29] | wagnerrp: | you gave it a tuning command? |
| [02:13:56] | iamlindoro: | ie, the "leave this blank unless tou have an external tuner that is CONNECTED TO THE TUNER INPUT of your card" |
| [02:14:02] | iamlindoro: | (exact quote) |
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| [02:14:26] | iamlindoro: | which is auto-fail for a device that has no tuner |
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| [02:21:51] | afm: | eft the tune to channel blank, and try all for freq...starting channel i did set as 3 which is valid |
| [02:22:53] | afm: | left even.... |
| [02:23:25] | wagnerrp: | no, you dont have a tuner |
| [02:23:29] | wagnerrp: | there is no valid starting channel |
| [02:25:51] | afm: | there is no Null as a starting channel |
| [02:26:19] | wagnerrp: | you mean the starting channel given to the changer script, not the (absent) tuner |
| [02:27:09] | afm: | i set the changer script as /bin/true as that was a next step from what i read |
| [02:27:31] | wagnerrp: | only useful for testing |
| [02:27:57] | afm: | ok |
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| [02:35:20] | [R]: | WOOHOO |
| [02:35:22] | [R]: | something happened |
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| [02:35:28] | [R]: | it wasn't the right something... butg somethign happened |
| [02:36:03] | [R]: | VICTORY IS MINE |
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| [03:18:31] | therealgalen: | how's the fast forward / skip scene function working with VDPAU? |
| [03:18:52] | wagnerrp: | same as with not-VDPAU |
| [03:19:30] | [R]: | lol |
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| [03:23:00] | clever: | can anybody help me with firewire capture? |
| [03:23:12] | clever: | ive got /dev/raw1394 but plugreport isnt returning anything |
| [03:25:04] | [R]: | clever: sounds like your ports arne't eanbled |
| [03:25:54] | clever: | [ 3384.303264] ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized |
| [03:25:54] | clever: | [ 3663.027686] firewire_core: created device fw1: GUID 001cfbfffe7e98b7, S400 |
| [03:25:57] | clever: | [ 3663.027694] firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5 |
| [03:26:07] | clever: | when the tuner was plugged in, the last 2 came up |
| [03:26:13] | clever: | the 1st is from when the driver was loaded |
| [03:26:39] | clever: | is there a command to enable the ports? |
| [03:27:11] | [R]: | well if its showing up with the guid |
| [03:27:14] | [R]: | plugreport should be saying something |
| [03:27:15] | [R]: | are you root? |
| [03:27:18] | clever: | yep |
| [03:27:28] | clever: | usbboot ~ # plugreport ;echo $? |
| [03:27:28] | clever: | 0 |
| [03:27:36] | clever: | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),20(di alout),26(tape),27(video) |
| [03:27:51] | clever: | no error from plugreport, and i'm 0:0 |
| [03:28:09] | [R]: | how weird |
| [03:28:26] | clever: | usbboot ~ # plugreport --version |
| [03:28:30] | clever: | nothing:S |
| [03:30:09] | clever: | on ubuntu, it atleast gives output when i --version (errors because it has no 1394 card) |
| [03:34:06] | clever: | [R]: what about the version of libraw1394 |
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| [03:34:33] | clever: | dang, i have 1.3 |
| [03:34:34] | [R]: | what about it? |
| [03:34:42] | clever: | # libraw1394 (version must be <=1.2.1, 1.3.0 is BROKEN!) |
| [03:37:07] | clever: | ok, 1.2.1 installing |
| [03:45:10] | clever: | [R]: ok, rebooting seems to have fixed it |
| [03:46:14] | clever: | now for test-mpeg2 |
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| [04:19:25] | clever: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [04:19:25] | clever: | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE |
| [04:19:27] | clever: | hmmmm |
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| [04:20:32] | clever: | ah |
| [04:20:35] | clever: | the mysql use flag |
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| [04:26:36] | clever: | ok, now to half cripple mythtv |
| [04:26:43] | clever: | it keeps connecting to the wrong db |
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| [04:31:43] | clever: | ok, now to build firewire |
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| [04:37:07] | den0ts_: | y0 |
| [04:37:16] | den0ts_: | could someone help me restore my mythtv database |
| [04:37:18] | den0ts_: | i just built a new rig |
| [04:37:23] | den0ts_: | i installed my storage drive into it |
| [04:37:25] | den0ts_: | and installed mythtv |
| [04:37:28] | den0ts_: | i went through the setup |
| [04:37:32] | den0ts_: | now i want to restore the db |
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| [04:38:14] | den0ts_: | ./mythconverg_restore.pl |
| [04:38:14] | den0ts_: | ERROR: DBBackupDirectory not specified, stopped at ./mythconverg_restore.pl line 739. |
| [04:38:16] | wagnerrp: | search engines are such wonderful things |
| [04:38:23] | den0ts_: | yea i did wagnerpp |
| [04:38:28] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [04:38:35] | den0ts_: | im using that tutorial |
| [04:38:45] | wagnerrp: | read that page |
| [04:38:53] | den0ts_: | like i said, i am |
| [04:38:56] | den0ts_: | i used it to back up my db |
| [04:39:00] | wagnerrp: | then you have your answer |
| [04:39:01] | den0ts_: | now im trying to restore |
| [04:39:28] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore#Quick_Start |
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| [04:40:39] | den0ts_: | sudo echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc |
| [04:40:41] | den0ts_: | bash: /home/hebs/.mythtv/backuprc: Permission denied |
| [04:41:03] | kormoc: | so fix your broken install? |
| [04:41:06] | wagnerrp: | does that tell you to use sudo? |
| [04:41:49] | wagnerrp: | are you running as the same user that runs myth[backend|frontend|tv-setup]? |
| [04:41:54] | den0ts_: | i did it without sudo |
| [04:41:56] | clever: | no, sudo breaks redirection |
| [04:42:00] | den0ts_: | still didnt work |
| [04:42:05] | clever: | you can never ever 'sudo echo' |
| [04:42:08] | clever: | it wont work like that |
| [04:42:16] | wagnerrp: | probably because you dont have a ~/.mythtv directory |
| [04:42:17] | kormoc: | stop smoking so much and reinstall later? |
| [04:42:19] | iamlindoro: | *cough*Missing .mythtv*cough* |
| [04:42:25] | clever: | you want this, echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" | sudo tee ~/.mythtv/backuprc |
| [04:42:27] | den0ts_: | $ echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc |
| [04:42:27] | den0ts_: | bash: /home/hebs/.mythtv/backuprc: Permission denied |
| [04:42:33] | clever: | den0ts_: you want this, echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" | sudo tee ~/.mythtv/backuprc |
| [04:42:47] | kormoc: | -bash: .fakedir/test: No such file or directory |
| [04:43:30] | wagnerrp: | youre not just blindly copy-pasting text into a terminal are you? |
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| [04:43:38] | den0ts_: | kormoc i havent smoked yet |
| [04:43:40] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to be doing that, you shouldnt be using mythtv |
| [04:43:52] | clever: | den0ts_: you want this, echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" | sudo tee ~/.mythtv/backuprc |
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| [04:44:12] | kormoc: | den0ts_: so shouldn't your nick be den0tston? |
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| [04:44:39] | den0ts_: | echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/.mythtv" > /home/.mythtv/backuprc |
| [04:44:43] | den0ts_: | woops |
| [04:44:50] | wagnerrp: | NO! |
| [04:45:16] | wagnerrp: | before you do ANYTHING else, where is your backed up database? |
| [04:45:25] | wagnerrp: | is it in /home/mythtv? |
| [04:46:06] | den0ts_: | yes |
| [04:46:09] | den0ts_: | well .mythtv |
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| [04:46:20] | wagnerrp: | if you have a /home/.mythtv, you screwed up |
| [04:46:36] | den0ts_: | well thats how it was on my old hard drive |
| [04:46:41] | den0ts_: | that i drug it form |
| [04:46:43] | den0ts_: | from* |
| [04:47:01] | den0ts_: | oh wait |
| [04:47:05] | den0ts_: | that one is just /home/mythtv |
| [04:47:07] | den0ts_: | its not hidden |
| [04:47:46] | wagnerrp: | /home/mythtv is almost certainly owned by user 'mythtv' |
| [04:47:53] | wagnerrp: | so you should be doing all of this as user 'mythtv' |
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| [04:52:41] | den0ts_: | ok progress |
| [04:52:56] | den0ts_: | ./mythconverg_restore.pl --directory /home/mythtv --filename mythconverg-1214–20091128222949.sql.gz |
| [04:53:01] | den0ts_: | says database is not empty |
| [04:53:03] | den0ts_: | so i removed it |
| [04:53:24] | den0ts_: | ./mythconverg_restore.pl --directory /home/mythtv --filename mythconverg-1214–20091128222949.sql.gz |
| [04:53:24] | den0ts_: | ERROR: The database does not exist. |
| [04:53:59] | kormoc: | Way to read the instructions! |
| [04:54:24] | den0ts_: | well thats what they say |
| [04:54:31] | den0ts_: | not sure if you are being sarcastic or not |
| [04:54:47] | [R]: | it says database not empty... so you remove it? |
| [04:54:57] | kormoc: | the database has to exist and be empty, not be missing |
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| [04:58:46] | oobe: | den0ts_, all you have to do is create the mythconverg database "mysqladmin create mythconverg" |
| [04:59:02] | iamlindoro: | whoooooaaaah no |
| [04:59:08] | iamlindoro: | do *not* do that |
| [04:59:20] | iamlindoro: | we have a DB creation script for a reason |
| [04:59:26] | oobe: | why its missing does not exist |
| [04:59:30] | oobe: | oh ok i didnt know |
| [04:59:32] | wagnerrp: | use the packaged mc.sql (or whatever it is called) |
| [04:59:44] | den0ts_: | Successfully restored backup. |
| [04:59:47] | den0ts_: | thanks |
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| [05:24:46] | clever: | still cant get firewire to record |
| [05:29:40] | clever: | P2P: Testing...Failed |
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| [05:34:20] | clever: | wagnerrp: any idea? |
| [05:42:11] | wagnerrp: | nope, never used firewire |
| [05:43:27] | clever: | i cant get it to capture anything, but i have modified the 6200ch channel change program to handle 4 digits (instead of 3) |
| [05:43:48] | clever: | so far, all firewire is good for is channel changing |
| [05:44:19] | wagnerrp: | very possible thats all youre going to get |
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| [05:44:44] | clever: | it said partial lock when i tried livetv |
| [05:45:10] | clever: | what page on the wiki explains the codes like L and stuff, so i can see what channels are blocked out |
| [05:48:16] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.21 |
| [05:49:42] | clever: | ah |
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| [05:53:46] | clever: | wagnerrp: do you think that atleast the tv guide would have no 5c? |
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| [06:02:28] | k_ross: | hello everyone... |
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| [06:03:06] | k_ross: | i'm happy, i got diskless booting working |
| [06:03:20] | k_ross: | i think i'll do both my frontends as diskless |
| [06:04:15] | k_ross: | now i'll have two extra disks for which to come up with a use.. a 2.5" 80GB drive, and a 2.5" SSD |
| [06:04:36] | k_ross: | only 16 GB on the SSD. maybe i'll use it for the car PC |
| [06:05:02] | clever: | maybe a carpc with a few hours of myth recordings! |
| [06:05:23] | k_ross: | it would be a downgrade in capacity, unfortunately |
| [06:05:36] | k_ross: | 160 GB in the car PC currently. but i'd rather have an SSD in the car |
| [06:05:41] | clever: | automaticaly sync the latest recordings whenever your home wifi is in range of the car |
| [06:05:53] | clever: | you could use the ssd for the os and the 160g for video |
| [06:06:01] | k_ross: | hmm |
| [06:06:15] | clever: | would run faster, and then you only risk loosing the video files |
| [06:06:24] | wagnerrp: | that would be amusing... sync multiple GB of data at 1–2MB/s |
| [06:06:28] | clever: | if the normal drive fails, you dont loose the whole os and have to restart |
| [06:06:31] | wagnerrp: | have fun with that |
| [06:06:40] | clever: | wagnerrp: ok, how many hours does the car sit in the driveway? |
| [06:06:41] | k_ross: | so far i've managed to avoid getting into an accident while playing with the car PC, i think that would be pushing it :) |
| [06:06:52] | wagnerrp: | how long do you expect to run the PC? |
| [06:07:07] | clever: | it could run on battery for an hour or 2 while sync'ing |
| [06:07:07] | wagnerrp: | have it set to run off battery, and shut down when done? |
| [06:07:12] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:07:25] | clever: | ive left my laptop on the inverter overnight, pulling mythtv recordings from the home pc |
| [06:07:28] | k_ross: | the PC goes to standby when i turn off the ignition, can't leave it running for hours, it would drain the battery |
| [06:07:30] | clever: | off the camp ground's wifi |
| [06:07:42] | ** clever points k_ross at what i just said ** | |
| [06:07:52] | wagnerrp: | clever: im wonder just how much power you have in an automotive battery |
| [06:08:16] | clever: | wagnerrp: enough to turn the starter with over 500 amps for a few seconds |
| [06:08:27] | wagnerrp: | s/power/energy/ |
| [06:08:43] | clever: | k_ross: linux or windows on the carpc? |
| [06:08:51] | k_ross: | regular batteries aren't deep cycle. they aren't made to run for hours. they get ruined if you discharge them too much |
| [06:09:08] | k_ross: | i would need something like an optima deep cycle battery |
| [06:09:15] | wagnerrp: | 840Wh for an average fresh battery, thats not too bad |
| [06:09:19] | clever: | k_ross: yeah, my dad left a massive flashlight on charge in the back of the jeep one week, and the battery hasnt been the same since |
| [06:09:40] | k_ross: | windows running Road Runner. i don't like any of the linux frontends |
| [06:09:43] | clever: | he kept having to jumper the poor thing |
| [06:09:56] | clever: | k_ross: ah, with linux you have a nice tool, powertop |
| [06:10:00] | k_ross: | i don't like RR either, but i use it |
| [06:10:21] | clever: | for example, right now its saying Suggestion: Enable the CONFIG_NO_HZ kernel configuration option. This option is required to get any kind of longer sleep times in the CPU. |
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| [06:11:55] | k_ross: | anyone here have a car PC? |
| [06:12:11] | wagnerrp: | been meaning to build one, never found the time |
| [06:12:34] | k_ross: | heh, it's an even bigger sink of time than myth tv :) |
| [06:12:43] | clever: | same |
| [06:13:12] | clever: | i often use the laptop in the car/jeep/van |
| [06:13:31] | k_ross: | with gps? |
| [06:13:40] | clever: | i also played with the idea of a 'server' laptop in the back under a seat, and then a 'client' laptop that was network booting |
| [06:13:57] | clever: | but the ethernet on the server one is toast, so i have to use 10mbit |
| [06:14:24] | k_ross: | hmm interesting. what would be the purpose of that? |
| [06:15:04] | clever: | you could have the 'server' end in a coushined box to protect the hdd from vibrations |
| [06:15:11] | wagnerrp: | i was considering the something similar, box in the trunk (to replace my AMPS onstar unit), controlled by a nokia unit on the dashboard |
| [06:15:30] | clever: | and the client one would go on/off all the time, diskless, and bolted somewhere where it will shake alot |
| [06:15:40] | wagnerrp: | but after digging through the cable harness wiring schematics, i found the system was only mono |
| [06:15:47] | wagnerrp: | and would sound like crap anyway |
| [06:16:30] | k_ross: | i put a 7" touchscreen monitor in the dash, and ran the cables to the computer in the back, next to the amplifiers and subwoofer |
| [06:16:49] | wagnerrp: | k_ross: well i was wanting to work within the existing system |
| [06:16:57] | k_ross: | understood |
| [06:16:58] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to run cables, open up the dash, whatever |
| [06:17:21] | wagnerrp: | and the onstar units have the capacity to override the stereo, and pump audio out the speakers |
| [06:17:33] | clever: | ah |
| [06:17:38] | clever: | yeah that would be nice to use |
| [06:17:48] | wagnerrp: | excepts its mono |
| [06:18:04] | clever: | i think there was a mute wire on the stereo we added |
| [06:18:05] | wagnerrp: | and even if it werent, i would have to figure out how to send the proper signal over some undocumented data bus |
| [06:18:11] | k_ross: | it doesn't have any kind of aux input for like plugging in an mp3 player? |
| [06:18:14] | clever: | that would help to do something similar |
| [06:18:32] | wagnerrp: | k_ross: there is, internally if i open up the dash |
| [06:19:26] | k_ross: | there are aftermarkets adapters that will plug into the cd changer port that will give you an aux input |
| [06:20:10] | k_ross: | assuming you don't actually have a cd changer installed |
| [06:20:14] | clever: | ive got a full 10 disk cd changer with fm transmiter |
| [06:20:21] | clever: | but it isnt installed in anything |
| [06:22:19] | k_ross: | in my particular case, i upgraded the sound system before i ever thought about putting a computer in there. it just had stock sound, not the premium sound system, so i added amps, new speakers, built a custom subwoofer enclosure, new head unit, etc. |
| [06:23:23] | clever: | yeah at that point, it doesnt take much to mute the audio |
| [06:23:35] | clever: | what i had done with the sound system in the basement, was feed the tv into line-in |
| [06:23:42] | clever: | which then fed back out to the sound system |
| [06:23:48] | clever: | so the pc could easily mute the tv |
| [06:24:06] | k_ross: | ah gotcha |
| [06:24:12] | clever: | the problem, is that when i shut the pc off, i loose all audio |
| [06:24:46] | k_ross: | wire up a relay that switches the audio to bypass the pc when it's off :) |
| [06:26:02] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:26:19] | clever: | i think i was using the tape input and tape monitor |
| [06:26:33] | clever: | so by switching that tape input off, i bypasses the computer |
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| [06:33:53] | k_ross: | clever: just curious, how do you use that? listening to music from the computer while watching tv without sound? |
| [06:34:30] | k_ross: | or do you have a different use? |
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| [06:50:33] | k_ross: | i'd like to say that the auto commercial skip feature is the killer feature of myth that made myth so easily accepted by my wife |
| [06:51:05] | k_ross: | you should hear her complain when, for some reason, she has to skip commercials manually, the old fashioned way, by actually picking up the remote and hitting the skip button :) |
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| [06:53:21] | k_ross: | plus having multiple frontends that all share the same media content is a huge plus as well, instead of before, having multiple isolated dvr's, each with their own content, that couldn't be shared between tv's |
| [06:54:49] | wagnerrp: | k_ross: you know about the '<num> <arrow>' syntax to jump by minute in that instance, right? |
| [06:55:36] | k_ross: | yes i do, but my wife doesn't. plus i so rarely use it, i forget exactly _which_ arrow key it is on the remote |
| [06:55:52] | wagnerrp: | the arrows keys |
| [06:55:55] | wagnerrp: | you should have four |
| [06:56:33] | k_ross: | well yeah, plus the ff,rw keys, and the skip forward,skip back buttons |
| [06:57:23] | k_ross: | plus i've remapped the arrows |
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| [06:58:07] | k_ross: | left and right arrow skip to previous/next commercial break |
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| [06:58:48] | k_ross: | skip forward / skip back map to home/end for 30 second forward, 10 second back. and for next day/previous day in the guide |
| [06:59:31] | k_ross: | and the ff/rw buttons map to something else, for 5 minute skip forward/backward, since regular 3x, 5x, 10x speeds etc. don't seem to work properly |
| [07:00:12] | k_ross: | at least on my system |
| [07:02:06] | clever: | k_ross: didnt really use the loopback much at all |
| [07:02:18] | clever: | but it gave me the option of muting the tv from software |
| [07:02:31] | clever: | but now with myth, the tv IS the software |
| [07:02:40] | clever: | so i can just pause the thing and miss nothing:P |
| [07:02:44] | k_ross: | :) |
| [07:04:55] | k_ross: | speaking of remotes, any remotes as nice as the harmony remotes that don't cost as much? i have the harmony one, and really love it, but now i need another remote for the bedroom frontend. i've been using the cheap remote that comes with the HD-PVR, and it works, but it's no harmony |
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| [07:07:48] | wagnerrp: | why is someone posting job listings in vietnam to the -dev list? |
| [07:08:44] | k_ross: | because posting to the -user list would be inappropriate :P |
| [07:14:31] | k_ross: | hmm i match that job description, i should apply. i've never been to vietnam :) |
| [07:14:52] | k_ross: | i've done lots of embedded system programming, plus mobile phones, pda's, etc. |
| [07:14:58] | wagnerrp: | and youll never make it back |
| [07:15:37] | k_ross: | lol, it says local candidate only |
| [07:15:54] | k_ross: | you just gotta wonder about some people |
| [07:20:36] | wagnerrp: | they actually *appear* to be a legitimate engineering contractor, with offices in several countries |
| [07:20:50] | wagnerrp: | but why they emailed through a gmail account |
| [07:21:09] | wagnerrp: | and why their whois data lists a garbage contact email... i dont know |
| [07:22:27] | kormoc: | "Global CyberSoft Inc. is a respected California based corporation" |
| [07:22:29] | wagnerrp: | the account is real, the person seems real |
| [07:22:40] | kormoc: | Head hunters? |
| [07:23:00] | kormoc: | "providing software development and IT Outsourcing Services to clients around the world" |
| [07:23:00] | wagnerrp: | a Masters in IT from Ho Chi Ming Univ |
| [07:23:20] | k_ross: | the requirements are contradictory; |
| [07:23:29] | k_ross: | - Knowledge of Java or C/C++ & Linux |
| [07:23:30] | wagnerrp: | ive even got yahoo and skype accounts if someone wants to pester him |
| [07:23:33] | k_ross: | - Experience in Graphics one of following technique OpenGL, DirectX, Clutter, WebKit, Flash, Driver Development.. |
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| [07:24:00] | k_ross: | linx, directx, flash, driver development |
| [07:24:05] | k_ross: | *linux |
| [07:24:45] | wagnerrp: | he shows up on clutter and beagleboard mailing lists with his cybersoft email account |
| [07:25:09] | kormoc: | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/hieu-le-trung/6/956/346 |
| [07:25:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, manager of R&D |
| [07:26:22] | wagnerrp: | facebook page... apparently he plays bejeweled blitz |
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| [08:56:28] | Elwell: | morning folks – any ideas why I'm not seeing any programme info for ITV2? I've run tv_grab_uk_rt into a file and checked, then run mythfilldatabase --file ..... |
| [08:57:43] | Elwell: | and yes, channel id in DB is itv2.itv.co.uk |
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| [09:04:10] | Elwell: | meh – found a duplicate entry for itv2 – deleted it – seems OK now |
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| [12:21:39] | pgee: | hi all .. running ubuntu 9.10 just installed mythtv using synaptic package manager. backend appears ok. ie tunes channels etc. but when i open front end, nothing happens. issuing mythfrontend from terminal gives this response.... http://pastebin.com/d5ab6a72c it is reporting that the client was not compiled for pulse audio. is there a 'how to' or faq to fix ? why is the synaptic version not working ? |
| [12:23:18] | pgee: | this is further complicated by another error, where my mac front end is not compatible with the new server. and try as hard as i might, i can't seem to get the front end to compile on the mac. |
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| [12:33:43] | Anon078: | hey people was wonderin if you could check my tracks at www.myspace.com/meic140284 like to know wats thought |
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| [12:42:50] | ivor: | grim |
| [12:44:24] | pgee: | ivor grim ? |
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| [13:20:01] | pgee: | what is it with the synaptic manager ? i have ubuntu 9,10 on a server and a laptop. i install mythbackend on the server today, then a few minutes later i install the myth front end on a laptop. the laptop front end now reports the version is wrong. whats up ??? |
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| [13:24:24] | pgee: | using ubuntu 9,10 when using the synaptic package manager, the version of the backend is 22982 the version of the front end is 22594 . why is that ? |
| [13:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ask the ubuntu people/packagers ?:) |
| [13:31:16] | GreyFoxx: | they shouldn't be offering the be and fe as seperate packages anyway imho |
| [13:31:47] | Makere: | maybe you got some 3rd party repository with a newer backend |
| [13:33:52] | CyberKnet: | maybe there was a tear in the space-time continuum between your pc and the repository half way through an update? |
| [13:34:22] | CyberKnet: | *sigh* |
| [13:34:42] | CyberKnet: | Now *I* am going to have to go see if *I* was affected by said space-time continuum gap. |
| [13:34:47] | CyberKnet: | dang i t |
| [13:34:54] | mzb: | I'm starting to get interested in a PS3 bluetooth remote. Is anyone aware of a cheaper (bluetooth) option? |
| [13:35:20] | CyberKnet: | mzb: the ps3 does make it an expensive combo ;P |
| [13:35:27] | ivor: | i think there are cheaper ones that use IR with a usb dongle. |
| [13:35:40] | mzb: | not planning on buying a ps3 ;) |
| [13:35:41] | ivor: | just get the ps3 one. :) |
| [13:35:45] | mzb: | don't want IR |
| [13:35:50] | CyberKnet: | mzb: heh heh heh |
| [13:36:27] | ivor: | mzb: yeah, just meant I hadn't seen any cheeaper bluetooth ones... the cheap ones I'd seen were IR/usb combos. |
| [13:36:34] | mzb: | yep, ~$30-$46 for original, <$25 for a copy |
| [13:36:38] | CyberKnet: | mzb: don't take this as me criticizing your choice – I'm sure you thought through what you want ... I'm sitting here wondering what kind of battery life you could get out of a bluetooth remote though. |
| [13:36:49] | mzb: | not sure |
| [13:37:14] | CyberKnet: | nothing worse than someone raining o n your parade after you thoroughly researched it. |
| [13:37:25] | mzb: | I currently use a wii-remote (don't have a wii either!;)) which I bought a "single" charger for (came with batteries!) |
| [13:37:44] | CyberKnet: | Anyone in here got an electric acoustic guitar they want to sell for a song, or give away? :) |
| [13:37:54] | mzb: | that works for probably a good day or so without being charged (iirc) |
| [13:38:06] | CyberKnet: | daily charge. wow. |
| [13:38:15] | CyberKnet: | that would drive me batty. heh. |
| [13:38:21] | mzb: | it gets a lot of use :) |
| [13:38:40] | mzb: | _extremely_ convenient |
| [13:38:53] | CyberKnet: | mzb: Yeah, but I used a keyboard for the first three years of my myth life, so I suppose I can't really talk. :) We all have our choices, huh? |
| [13:38:59] | mzb: | maybe it's 3 days ... I don't pay that much attention :) |
| [13:39:14] | mzb: | :)) |
| [13:39:32] | CyberKnet: | using a microsoft mceusb2 remote now, and loving it. |
| [13:39:52] | mzb: | hmm ... the computer is mounted downstairs, cables run down the (disused) chimney ... total run is 5–6m |
| [13:39:57] | CyberKnet: | Had u sed a Niveus PC remote (RF) before that, and liked it until the remote or receiver gave up the ghost. |
| [13:40:12] | mzb: | already have IR .... getting bored with it ;) |
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| [13:40:44] | mzb: | got RF wireless stuff, but nothing small and convenient |
| [13:40:51] | CyberKnet: | I'm surprised there aren't more RF/IR remote combos out there. |
| [13:41:26] | mzb: | maybe I should just go for RF :| |
| [13:41:39] | mzb: | (if I ever bother) |
| [13:42:34] | XLV: | i got some chinese rf htpc kb with trackball |
| [13:42:55] | mzb: | how much and how big? (link?) |
| [13:44:15] | XLV: | http://www.plaisio.gr/Peripherals/Input-Devic . . . l-K7600G.htm ... from some greek shop here |
| [13:44:39] | XLV: | it has also two keys in left/right corners for left/right click |
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| [13:45:24] | mzb: | yep, I've got an old IR one of similar layout |
| [13:45:36] | mzb: | s/theory |
| [13:46:34] | mzb: | still too large though ... I just want something a little more *advanced* than a wii-remote, but nicer than my Leadtek remote |
| [13:46:48] | CyberKnet: | more advanced – like more buttons? |
| [13:46:57] | mzb: | yes :) |
| [13:47:04] | CyberKnet: | just plug in the nunchuk ;) |
| [13:47:06] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [13:47:27] | mzb: | got it 2nd hand ... no nunchuk included ;) |
| [13:47:48] | CyberKnet: | I wouldn't mind something like a logitech harmony 890 |
| [13:48:00] | CyberKnet: | a bit pricey though. |
| [13:48:29] | mzb: | there is a ps3 remote (not bluetooth) that has a charging stand and slides apart to reveal a keyboard ... seems interesting |
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| [13:49:08] | CyberKnet: | sounds like a (Sky?) remote |
| [13:49:25] | mzb: | ebay 150399654696 |
| [13:49:27] | mzb: | (for eg) |
| [13:50:08] | CyberKnet: | Interesting |
| [13:52:25] | mzb: | probably a bit more than I want, and a bit chunky ... but _not_ IR and has charging stand |
| [13:52:38] | mzb: | (might even be a nice contrast to the white wii-remote;)) |
| [13:52:50] | mzb: | black for me, white for her ;) |
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| [13:56:18] | pgee: | how would i remove the backend install a new backend with version 22954 ? |
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| [13:56:42] | mzb: | make uninstall |
| [13:56:51] | mzb: | *compile* |
| [13:56:56] | mzb: | make install |
| [13:57:05] | pgee: | mzb sorry bit of a newcomer. i didn't make it. |
| [13:57:18] | pgee: | mzb used the synaptic manager. |
| [13:57:34] | mzb: | apt-get remove *mythtv* ? |
| [13:57:53] | pgee: | mzb ok. then what ? |
| [13:57:57] | mzb: | then follow the installation instructions on the wiki for installing from source |
| [13:58:27] | pgee: | is this where the svn comes into ? |
| [13:58:40] | mzb: | yes |
| [13:58:43] | mzb: | I assume the rev you've mentioned is actually for 0.22-fixes ... not trunk? |
| [13:59:53] | pgee: | yes it is. . i really would like the mac version to work, because that is what i mostly used. that is version 22957 |
| [14:00:19] | pgee: | to clarify, i would like the mac version to work as a front end. ubuntu as the backend. |
| [14:01:35] | mzb: | you'd best do some research, or talk to an expert ... I can't help you with any mac issues relating to machines built in this millenium ;) |
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| [14:03:40] | pgee: | ok. i can't seem to browse the svn tree/branch structure to find the version i am after.... current version is 23003! |
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| [14:05:24] | mzb: | google: svn mythtv |
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| [14:19:02] | mzb: | hang on ... a different thing altogether: ebay 190341645401 |
| [14:20:18] | mzb: | still no dimensions! |
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| [14:33:32] | mzb: | mmm ... backlit keys: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.24865 |
| [14:37:16] | mzb: | or bluetooth: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685 |
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| [14:47:06] | Fatboy: | Hi, I cant get my EPG to work , Comhem/sweden (everything else work super) |
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| [14:54:49] | Fatboy: | plz |
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| [15:06:16] | den0ts_: | y0 |
| [15:06:38] | den0ts_: | i remember on my old pc, there was a place where you entered a path to a script for changing channels |
| [15:06:41] | den0ts_: | where is that now? |
| [15:06:49] | den0ts_: | i just installed 9.10 and mythtv and it looks different |
| [15:06:59] | GreyFoxx: | I think that's in the same place it always was |
| [15:07:12] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv-setup under either video sources or more likely input connections |
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| [15:45:36] | den0ts_: | ok I went through the setup and entered mys chedules direct account info |
| [15:45:41] | den0ts_: | it said directtv after it was done |
| [15:45:48] | den0ts_: | i then ran mythfilldatabase |
| [15:45:58] | den0ts_: | but i get no channels in my guide and mythweb says no channels |
| [15:46:07] | den0ts_: | any ideas |
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| [16:07:05] | purple_processor: | OMG theres a mythtv for dummies book.. |
| [16:08:39] | sid3windr: | url? :p |
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| [16:11:07] | DjMadness: | can mythtv handle "freebox" iptv with http streams ? i have some sopcast streams that i have changed to http with sp-sc. however i am getting invalid header... the m3u is working in mplayer without issues. |
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| [16:13:07] | purple_processor: | http://eu.dummies.com/WileyCDA/how-to/content . . . -mythtv.html |
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| [16:39:29] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Thanks again for taking the lead on the internal player issues-- it's nice to see someone so responsive to the reported issues |
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| [16:47:50] | Brad-D: | hey iamlindoro, random question. Do you think it's possible to parse a .swf (flash) response from a webpage with QNetwork? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? |
| [16:49:28] | iamlindoro: | Depends on what you want to parse about it, I guess... but my instinct is to say it would be an uphill battle |
| [16:49:58] | iamlindoro: | I mean, you could look at something like the gnash source to see their disassembly/interpretation of swf, but not sure you would get what you need (or what you need) |
| [16:50:18] | Brad-D: | yeah just trying to rip out song names from the XM radio website.. it does seem to come back in almost random characters, so i think i have to decode it somehow, but NOOOOO idea |
| [16:50:18] | Brad-D: | lol |
| [16:51:28] | Dagmar: | I think you're pretty much boned for trying that route |
| [16:51:46] | Dagmar: | If you're getting back an swf, it's rather likely that it's _just_ the part that displays data |
| [16:52:00] | Dagmar: | Sniff the network, you'll probably see said swf file making a simple query |
| [16:53:14] | sphery: | And it sounds like getting at that information would, at minimum, break ToS. |
| [16:53:56] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [16:54:00] | Brad-D: | dagmar: thanks, you are probably right |
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| [16:54:11] | Brad-D: | sphery: yeah it does, was just playing around with this for personal use |
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| [16:57:06] | sphery: | I think if I were implementing it, I'd have the server create the frame(s) that have the song info on it, then send them as just something for the player to display. That way, nothing on the client side has raw data (or access to raw data) that my employer wants me to protect. |
| [16:57:42] | sphery: | because if it's just sending a query to some web service or whatever, anyone with wireshark could easily figure it out/do the same |
| [16:58:03] | Brad-D: | heheheh that's what i'm trying to do, wireshark is great! |
| [16:58:04] | Dagmar: | Ah but that's where the arms race figures in |
| [16:58:12] | Dagmar: | They can change the flash app and it's query any time they like. |
| [16:58:31] | sphery: | but if the data isn't accessible outside their network... |
| [16:58:40] | Dagmar: | Several WoW-related sites that distribute addons use a flash button like that to prevent people like WoWMatrix just having their updater client directly download the files |
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| [16:59:20] | Dagmar: | So basically, if they use the flash app to make the query, and they can change that flash app, no one can really make something that takes it place that works long enough |
| [16:59:33] | Dagmar: | THey can break anything that tries to make the query itself at any time. |
| [16:59:36] | Dagmar: | So... sniff it. |
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| [17:03:30] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: just trying to help out... I'm starting to see the same problem over and over again... would be nice to see some stuff get into -fixes |
| [17:05:39] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: I know. Hang in there, I know it can be frustrating to watch things languish but it'll get in |
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| [17:05:58] | iamlindoro: | and I'm trying to provide appropriate pressure to get them looked at, FWIW |
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| [17:07:23] | sphery: | elmojo: on the bright side, the feature freeze for 0.23 is quickly approaching, meaning 0.23 is just around the corner. So as long as it gets into trunk, it will be in -fixes /very/ soon. |
| [17:08:13] | sphery: | elmojo: I'm wondering if jan neg is planning on doing an ffmpeg sync this iteration... I think it would be quite useful (based on a lot of your, "fixed by ffmpeg changeset..." messages :), but might be kind of dangerous as we approach feature freeze. |
| [17:08:26] | iamlindoro: | Yes, he's doing it over the Christmas break |
| [17:08:32] | sphery: | wow, cool |
| [17:08:42] | sphery: | that should be long enough for reasonable testing |
| [17:08:51] | ** sphery feels out of the loop ** | |
| [17:09:43] | iamlindoro: | Don't feel bad, I gleaned it in a conversation yesterday in #hdpvr |
| [17:10:14] | sphery: | no fair... I thought all myth-related info was mentioned in myth channels |
| [17:10:31] | iamlindoro: | hdpvr is sort of like a satellite Myth channel :) |
| [17:10:37] | iamlindoro: | like a moon |
| [17:10:39] | sphery: | heh, true enough |
| [17:10:58] | DjMadness_: | Anyone know of the best way to be able to play sopcast streams with mythtv ? |
| [17:11:07] | sphery: | for those of you who aren't fighting the man and voting with your wallet (and foregoing cable-TV shows) |
| [17:12:29] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: This guy in #linuxtv is fully on my nerves |
| [17:12:35] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: yeah, I hear you. |
| [17:12:56] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: that's why I told him that if he doesn't know what "build" means, he should just wait for his next distro version. |
| [17:13:33] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Yeah :) |
| [17:14:15] | elmojo: | sphery: an ffmpeg sync is still planned as far as I know |
| [17:14:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: do you know if that means inclusion of the -mt stuff? |
| [17:14:35] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It does not |
| [17:14:38] | sphery: | elmojo: yeah, that's what iamlindoro said. it will be nice (and might help with a bunch of issues) |
| [17:14:58] | elmojo: | sphery: should have read scrollback :) and thanks for helping me out the other night |
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| [17:15:10] | iamlindoro: | superdump: Any chance you have any public comments to make on -mt? |
| [17:15:11] | elmojo: | sphery: I was about to lose my mind |
| [17:15:18] | sphery: | I suppose you're welcome (though I don't remember being any help :) |
| [17:15:33] | elmojo: | I was under a different handle |
| [17:15:41] | sphery: | ahhh... anonymouse elmojo |
| [17:16:09] | superdump: | getting funding to work on it took too long for me, so i got another job and am now too busy to work on it myself |
| [17:16:30] | iamlindoro: | superdump: bummer, but understandable |
| [17:16:31] | superdump: | however, i pointed the people with the money to some other developers, including astrange himself |
| [17:16:45] | superdump: | hopefully they've worked something out |
| [17:16:50] | iamlindoro: | cool... hope it arrives someday :) |
| [17:16:55] | superdump: | me too :) |
| [17:17:00] | wagnerrp: | ok, just curious so i know what to tell people as far as hardware recommendations |
| [17:17:11] | superdump: | you may be interested to know that alex converse has been working on my he aac code |
| [17:17:18] | superdump: | he's almost got it all working now |
| [17:17:29] | iamlindoro: | Very slick, the New Zealanders will be happy :) |
| [17:17:32] | superdump: | but i guess it'll need clean up, refactoring and optimisation |
| [17:17:41] | superdump: | we'll still need an latm parser :) |
| [17:18:00] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [17:18:14] | elmojo: | sphery: I was the one who couldn't figure out that the intitial database script was resetting the password |
| [17:18:20] | iamlindoro: | will/would be nice to drop requirement for faad |
| [17:18:28] | sphery: | elmojo: ah, yeah, the "mc.sql changed the password" issue... I've been thinking about changing the restore script to do the create db commands... |
| [17:19:02] | elmojo: | sphery: that would be sweet |
| [17:19:05] | sphery: | At least until then, I've updated the wiki page with a mention of mc.sql's penchant to change the password. |
| [17:19:20] | superdump: | also one of the ffmpeg devs said he had a patch to provide potentially significant speed ups to the aac decoder |
| [17:19:28] | superdump: | most of them were just changes to the C code |
| [17:19:46] | sphery: | The original reason I didn't put the create db stuff in there is because the mc.sql can change at any time |
| [17:19:47] | superdump: | maybe those changes will land after the holiday |
| [17:19:50] | elmojo: | sphery: I was actually following the documentation on the website so the wiki wouldn't have helped |
| [17:19:53] | elmojo: | :) |
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| [17:20:21] | sphery: | heh... does the website link to the wiki (can't remember if I put that in ther) |
| [17:20:39] | elmojo: | not that I remember |
| [17:20:46] | sphery: | right, it doesn't |
| [17:21:29] | sphery: | I may update http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#setupdb to mention that mc.sql will change the password. |
| [17:22:19] | sphery: | then again, maybe the best bet is to remove the username-related stuff from mc.sql... |
| [17:23:42] | iamlindoro: | superdump: Yeah, as not much of an AAC user, it thrills me less than the -mt stuff, but I can see the "big picture" impact all that work will have, and am thankful for all your hard work |
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| [17:23:53] | elmojo: | sphery: it seems other stuff out there assumes mythtv to be the password |
| [17:24:24] | elmojo: | sphery: I would prefer Mythbuntu stop generating random passwords and leave that stuff up to advanced users |
| [17:25:21] | elmojo: | sphery: I would think securing that user account for mysql would be unnecessary 99.9% of the time |
| [17:26:05] | elmojo: | sphery: Mythbuntu also generates a random root mysql password that the installer doesn't know |
| [17:26:24] | sphery: | yeah, that definitely complicates things |
| [17:26:52] | sphery: | and for small security benefit (as the config.xml and/or mysql.txt contain a clear text password for the mythtv user) |
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| [17:27:25] | wagnerrp: | is that mythbuntu's doing? or simply how ubuntu installs mysql? |
| [17:28:36] | elmojo: | wagnerrp: I might be mistaken but if you install mysql-server under Ubuntu it will provide a prompt for the password |
| [17:28:46] | elmojo: | Mythbuntu automatically handles this |
| [17:29:19] | sphery: | after all, Oracle has scott/tiger, MySQL has root/'' , so ... :) |
| [17:29:48] | elmojo: | sphery: I know people who are quite tech-savvy to say the least give up on MythTV solely due to mysql installation headaches |
| [17:30:19] | sphery: | yeah, I will likely be working on an embedded mysql for 0.24 (time permitting) |
| [17:30:31] | sphery: | has a ton of benefits |
| [17:30:32] | elmojo: | of course you've improved this part of MythTV substantially since this occurred |
| [17:31:29] | sphery: | only downside is we need a protocol for communicating with the data server (allowing enough flexibility for the app/developers without allowing too much flexibility for other stuff) |
| [17:32:18] | elmojo: | sphery: embedded mysql would be awesome |
| [17:32:24] | elmojo: | sounds like a huge effort |
| [17:32:41] | sphery: | I don't think it would be that bad once we figure out how to do it |
| [17:32:59] | wagnerrp: | so this den0ts_character has been getting rather abusive even with glaring ignorance |
| [17:33:37] | sphery: | I don't really like the "pass SQL directly over the protocol" approach (as it encourages bad things, like users changing the column encodings because they have no clue how things work and so they break their DB's) |
| [17:33:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: last night, he couldnt be bothered to read your documentation on the backup-and-restore page |
| [17:34:08] | sphery: | but I don't know if I can convince the other devs to put SQL directly in the dataserver component |
| [17:34:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that is the big down side--lots of stuff there |
| [17:34:20] | wagnerrp: | now hes ranting in #mythtv |
| [17:35:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no... the first thing that you say to do in 'Quick Start', he didnt do |
| [17:35:19] | wagnerrp: | and then started pasting errors in here to that effect |
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| [17:35:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ahh... |
| [17:35:44] | wagnerrp: | and then when that didnt work, because the '.mythtv' folder didnt exist, he started complaining again |
| [17:35:54] | sphery: | yeah, there's also the HOWTO's info (which is /much/ compressed) at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 |
| [17:36:45] | wagnerrp: | no, he just wanted to copy-paste text into the terminal exactly |
| [17:36:49] | wagnerrp: | and bitched when it didnt work |
| [17:36:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:37:35] | iamlindoro: | Well come on, advanced users don't need to read the context, right? |
| [17:37:45] | iamlindoro: | The commands are in <pre> tags because that's all you *really* need, right? |
| [17:37:49] | sphery: | It does seem that some distros (Mandrake?) don't configure config.xml for normal users, so the user has to run it as root or configure config.xml themselves. |
| [17:38:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, the words are just there to provide boundaries around the <pre> sections |
| [17:38:15] | sphery: | not at all worth reading |
| [17:38:26] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure his lack of the most basic understanding of linux meant he was running ubuntu |
| [17:39:01] | sphery: | Ubuntu's setting up a 0.22 database and setting up username/password (different from mc.sql) can complicate things... |
| [17:39:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he was complaining about that too |
| [17:39:36] | wagnerrp: | seems he had run mythtv-setup before trying to restore, so he complained about it in here |
| [17:39:54] | sphery: | i.e. if a user does what a certain cle ver person said in #mythtv last night, "just restore over mythconverg," when they upgrade, they will break the DB. |
| [17:40:12] | wagnerrp: | then when he just outright deleted the database to 'empty' it, the restore script errored, and he complained |
| [17:40:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:40:49] | sphery: | the new message is much more verbose when the script can't connect to the DB |
| [17:40:59] | sphery: | (of course, that won't hit *buntu until 9.10) |
| [17:41:07] | sphery: | er, 10.04, it seems |
| [17:41:10] | sphery: | wow, time flies |
| [17:41:53] | wagnerrp: | so im wondering, was the 0.23 release schedule put in place to try to get it out for 10.04? |
| [17:42:01] | Defense|Twin: | Hi, is it true that the WinTV-HVR1100 has only dvb-T linux support? |
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| [17:42:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: not really, though it's not a terrible coincidence |
| [17:42:27] | sphery: | mainly was a compromise between "too long" and "not long enough" |
| [17:42:27] | wagnerrp: | Defense|Twin: if linuxtv.org says it so |
| [17:43:00] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: where is linux.tv speaking? (where can i find a list of supportet devices?) |
| [17:43:03] | sphery: | Well, Mark S's check to each MythTV developer for $100K definitely helped us decide on the schedule |
| [17:43:16] | sphery: | (though I told the others we should hold out for more) |
| [17:43:25] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1110 |
| [17:43:40] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: hm cool |
| [17:43:43] | sphery: | Defense|Twin: and for the rest of the list: http://linuxtv.org/wiki |
| [17:44:30] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it seems a good number of people reverted back to mplayer in 0.22.... it would be nice if people would try to help get the kinks worked out |
| [17:44:59] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Indeed :( |
| [17:45:09] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: without any doubt the video rendered side of MythTV blows away any player in the world |
| [17:45:14] | elmojo: | PERIOD |
| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | and contribute? nneeevaahhhh |
| [17:45:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: They all look for the simple solution, not the right one |
| [17:45:42] | sphery: | henrik__: and I've heard (though haven't looked at their ToS) that Google has some pretty good weather information available through XML and a real API |
| [17:46:07] | sphery: | probably good everywhere except China, knowing Google. |
| [17:46:28] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: sphery: thx .. somehow i was always looking into the supported_hardware section, but there are only some links to not so good lists |
| [17:46:29] | wagnerrp: | google has weather in china, its just always bright and sunny |
| [17:46:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:46:48] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: and now i know that i have an 1110 card :) |
| [17:46:51] | wagnerrp: | thank the PRC for their weather machines to make it so |
| [17:46:52] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: and presumably, 150% humidity |
| [17:47:07] | wagnerrp: | s/thank/praise/ |
| [17:47:11] | iamlindoro: | I went to china a few years ago, that is a muggy-ass country |
| [17:47:33] | DjMadness_: | Anyone know of the best way to be able to play sopcast streams with mythtv ? |
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| [17:48:01] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: from the on-screen menu, zoom, subtitles, rewind, fast-forward, forward and reverse frame-by-frame seeking, etc |
| [17:48:04] | sphery: | DjMadness_: with VLC? |
| [17:48:17] | wagnerrp: | DjMadness_: if you have some manner of redirecting that sopcast feed through RTSP, sure |
| [17:49:29] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you should try out MKV seeking with my patch applied... it is super sweet.... you can pause and then press right and it will perform frame-by-frame seeking so fast it plays at almost regular speed :) |
| [17:49:45] | GreyFoxx: | elmojo: night :) |
| [17:49:49] | GreyFoxx: | nice |
| [17:49:51] | GreyFoxx: | blah |
| [17:50:00] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Heheh... nice-- the only reason I don't have them applied ATM is that I have a *lot* of testing patches applied and I just can't keep track of any more ATM :) |
| [17:50:06] | DjMadness_: | sphery: know of any command line utilities for this ? (i think installing an X server is a bit overkill) |
| [17:50:11] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Greyfoxx might be willing to have a look |
| [17:50:21] | ** iamlindoro runs away after having volunteered others ** | |
| [17:50:23] | sphery: | DjMadness_: you can't have Myth without an installed X server |
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| [17:50:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: sure you can! |
| [17:50:35] | sphery: | an you can't really play back video without an X server |
| [17:50:42] | AndyCap: | installed X libs anyway. |
| [17:50:42] | wagnerrp: | well you are right there |
| [17:50:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: pretty sure we use more than Qt core |
| [17:51:02] | sphery: | meaning you have to have X installed |
| [17:51:05] | sphery: | (even if you don't run it) |
| [17:51:16] | Defense|Twin: | if i have a /dev/video0 the card shoul support analog tv doesn't it? |
| [17:51:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: like AndyCap said, you only explicitly need the libs, not the server itself |
| [17:51:22] | elmojo: | GreyFoxx: thanks.... it'd actually be nice if someone like yourself could review/improve my patches |
| [17:51:29] | wagnerrp: | just the minimal needed for X redirection |
| [17:51:31] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to try them out |
| [17:51:49] | wagnerrp: | although that does mean you need an X server elsewhere |
| [17:52:07] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [17:52:19] | GreyFoxx: | anything that improves playback makes me happy |
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| [17:52:24] | sphery: | but the server is a tiny component of X |
| [17:52:30] | DjMadness_: | okeys... ill see what i can do... |
| [17:52:46] | sphery: | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 7207554 2006-10–01 17:58 /usr/bin/Xorg (with full debug) |
| [17:53:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well, people still want to install mythtv without that 1.6MB backend |
| [17:53:23] | sphery: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 mdean mdean 1602436 2009-12–23 12:53 xorg (copy that was stripped) |
| [17:53:37] | sphery: | yeah... 1.6MB is worth how much these days? |
| [17:53:45] | sphery: | them are some real partial cents |
| [17:53:49] | elmojo: | GreyFoxx: #7521 and it references some other patches that are useful |
| [17:54:00] | wagnerrp: | $0.00007 |
| [17:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | One biggest "glitch" with playback recently is that when I seek around audio is out of sync for about a inute |
| [17:54:12] | GreyFoxx: | only with mkv's though and only since around 0.22 release |
| [17:54:18] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [17:54:19] | wagnerrp: | actually, thats only 1MB |
| [17:54:26] | wagnerrp: | closer to $0.00011 |
| [17:54:34] | elmojo: | GreyFoxx: hmmm..... I've got some AV-sync improvements too that might help |
| [17:55:48] | elmojo: | GreyFoxx: #7759 |
| [17:56:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and, in MythTV terms, it's 6 seconds of 2200kbps SDTV video |
| [17:57:20] | sphery: | anyone know where Google posts the ToS for their Google Weather API? |
| [17:57:26] | elmojo: | GreyFoxx: you'll definitely want #7454 for MKV too |
| [17:57:40] | wagnerrp: | i actually tried looking several months ago, and couldnt find anything |
| [17:57:47] | sphery: | yeah, me neither |
| [17:58:02] | sphery: | http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html mentions weather |
| [17:58:03] | wagnerrp: | although i couldnt actually find any official google documentation for using the API either |
| [17:58:19] | sphery: | but the page is called, "Google Maps/Google Earth APIs Terms of Service" |
| [17:58:53] | sphery: | "Google Maps/Google Earth APIs are a collection of services that allow you to include maps, geocoding, and other Content from Google in your webpages or applications." |
| [17:58:58] | sphery: | I think that's it |
| [17:59:00] | elmojo: | GreyFoxx, that last patch fixes some demuxing issues that fixes video corruption related to keyfame problems |
| [18:00:38] | wagnerrp: | looks like you could pull images too, through the static maps api |
| [18:01:27] | sphery: | though the mention of weather is "things may change due to weather" |
| [18:02:14] | sid3windr: | no tos = free for all? :p |
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| [18:04:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:04:39] | iamlindoro: | http://hd.engadget.com/2009/12/23/tivo-sony-a . . . replace-cab/ |
| [18:04:39] | iamlindoro: | ugh |
| [18:04:40] | sphery: | just like all those items I find at Walmart without a price sticker are free |
| [18:04:59] | superm1: | elmojo, nothing sets a Random root password in mythbuntu |
| [18:05:02] | sphery: | how could they replace taxis with gateways? |
| [18:05:13] | superm1: | elmojo, if you install from the installer, it's set to the password you picked in the installer |
| [18:05:21] | superm1: | elmojo, if you installed from apt, you will be prompted for what to set it to |
| [18:06:04] | sid3windr: | sphery: I always say that, but i've never tried to take someone up on it being actually free :] |
| [18:06:22] | sphery: | nor have I |
| [18:06:40] | sphery: | thus our being able to communicate over IRC (versus being locked up in a prison somewhere :) |
| [18:07:22] | sid3windr: | grin |
| [18:08:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro: "The other sticky point that wasn't exactly spelled out by TiVo comments was DRM." |
| [18:08:15] | iamlindoro: | yeah, DUH |
| [18:08:51] | iamlindoro: | Yes, let's replace the home cable model with one that totally obviates the tuners people have been paying for for 15 years |
| [18:09:14] | iamlindoro: | using a method that would clearly lock out homebrew |
| [18:10:45] | sphery: | exactly... DRM to the TV (rather than as now, DRM to the STB) |
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| [18:29:24] | wagnerrp: | http://gizmodo.com/5432419 .... for $500, all those mechanical vibrations in your house will no longer affect the fidelity of your amp |
| [18:29:31] | iamlindoro: | at last! |
| [18:29:52] | iamlindoro: | Combined with my Denon Cat5, I'll be all set |
| [18:30:24] | wagnerrp: | no, you can only use this with wireless amps, otherwise the effect is lost |
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| [18:31:08] | wagnerrp: | note that you should not be within 200' of wireless amp while it is in operation |
| [18:31:24] | wagnerrp: | under penalty of sterility |
| [18:31:45] | iamlindoro: | do not taunt happy fun ball |
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| [18:32:14] | iamlindoro: | If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head. |
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| [18:33:35] | wagnerrp: | first six star treks (plus some 'captains summit') on bluray for $60 |
| [18:35:05] | GreyFoxx: | first 6 series , or episodes ?:) |
| [18:35:11] | wagnerrp: | movies |
| [18:35:13] | GreyFoxx: | The captains summit is neat if you are a trek fan :) |
| [18:35:15] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [18:35:19] | GreyFoxx: | nice price :) |
| [18:35:40] | wagnerrp: | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TH16DI |
| [18:36:20] | GreyFoxx: | Nice |
| [18:36:29] | GreyFoxx: | Wonder if I can talk anyone into buying that for me for xmas |
| [18:36:49] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx's traditional post-Christmas ripfest is coming |
| [18:36:59] | GreyFoxx: | heh yeah :) |
| [18:37:09] | GreyFoxx: | and I have a nice new desktop ready to do the ripping :) |
| [18:37:35] | GreyFoxx: | my old sempron 2600 box had the MB die yesterday heh |
| [18:37:36] | ** wagnerrp wonders if all that work into the dvd changer is worth it if youre switching to bluray ** | |
| [18:37:55] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately, GreyFoxx is only allowed to rip to ISO |
| [18:37:59] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [18:38:03] | iamlindoro: | to "encourage" him to finish ISO-via SG ;) |
| [18:38:42] | iamlindoro: | libbluray not has a more or less working bdnav library for reading BDMV folders |
| [18:39:18] | iamlindoro: | Can't do much besides play the movie ATM, but it can allegedly work |
| [18:39:39] | GreyFoxx: | still encouraging :) |
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| [18:48:56] | Dagmar: | dubya tee eff... Has anyone ever seen a WWIV-synched clock fail horribly before? |
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| [18:49:36] | Dagmar: | The thing has been exactly on time since I bought it, and just about gave me a heart attack making me think it was about 10 minutes past the start of my shift at work |
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| [18:50:14] | Dagmar: | The listener card I have missed whatever bogus signal the thing picked up on, thank god. |
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| [18:52:49] | bllz: | Is there a way to automate the use of myth.rebuilddatabse.pl with metadata grabbed by Jamu? I don't really care if the recordings I'm adding include an accurate record date... that could be replaced by, say, the original airdate. |
| [18:53:47] | Dagmar: | yeah, it's called "writing a script that calls jamu and then the other script" |
| [18:54:19] | iamlindoro: | please don't post the same question to multiple rooms at once, it's a seriously annoying breach of etiquette |
| [18:54:20] | Dagmar: | Assuming you have a listings service, the original airdate will already be there as, astonishingly, the original air date |
| [18:54:24] | iamlindoro: | s/rooms/channels/ |
| [18:54:39] | ** Dagmar sentences iamlindoro to six hours of AOL ** | |
| [18:56:16] | bllz: | Dagmar: hmm... for whatever reason the recording date is missing. In any case, is there any scripting howto or documentation you can suggest? I'm really not sure where to start and I know absolutely nothing about scripting |
| [18:56:26] | Dagmar: | Dude, scripting is not hard |
| [18:56:54] | Dagmar: | It basically amounts to typing the commands you'd type manually, into a file and perhaps adding some bits that handle errors properly |
| [18:57:07] | Dagmar: | ...if there's even anything to be done on an erorr. |
| [18:57:34] | Dagmar: | Google for "bash script tutorial" or something like that |
| [18:57:48] | bllz: | Dagmar: ok sounds good |
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| [18:58:31] | Dagmar: | Yeah, this is the first hit from "bash scripting tutorial": http://www.linuxconfig.org/Bash_scripting_Tutorial |
| [18:59:08] | Dagmar: | Perfectly adequate |
| [18:59:20] | bllz: | Dagmar, thanks |
| [18:59:47] | bllz: | Dagmar: and I assume it doesn't matter that mythrebuilddatabase and Jamu are written in perl and python, respectively? |
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| [18:59:56] | bllz: | bash should still work fine? |
| [19:00:00] | Dagmar: | Did it matter when you called them from bash? |
| [19:00:04] | Dagmar: | Read the tutorial |
| [19:00:15] | bllz: | Dagmar: fair enough. just making sure. |
| [19:01:04] | bllz: | Dagmar: as a point of interest, what exactly is "bash"? I hear it mentioned all the time... |
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| [19:02:24] | lautriv: | heyda, tonight i updated to 0.22 and since then, i miss the option for video-configuration in the frontend, anyone an idea ? |
| [19:02:30] | bllz: | i guess that's actually a pretty comlex question since it ammounts to "what is a shell"... lol |
| [19:02:46] | Dagmar: | bllz: Dude. |
| [19:02:50] | Dagmar: | Google these questions. |
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| [19:03:04] | Dagmar: | At least once. |
| [19:03:16] | Dagmar: | You will often learn some things you didn't even know yet that you wanted to know. |
| [19:03:18] | bllz: | Dagmar: yeah i'm reading the wikipedia article right now, but it's not making a lot of sense...I tend to google before asking questions, beleive it or not |
| [19:04:11] | bllz: | but anyway thanks for the bash tutorial, i'll go check that out |
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| [20:26:49] | sphery: | Thanks to whichever anonymous found the statement from a Google employee saying that the weather API service isn't an actual Google offering. |
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| [20:30:17] | Chicago: | What is the recommended commercial off the shelf IR receiver? |
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| [20:32:39] | Dagmar: | On the wiki. |
| [20:32:45] | Dagmar: | There's not just one. |
| [20:33:14] | wagnerrp: | you may get a decent one with your tuner card |
| [20:34:10] | wagnerrp: | besides that, theres about half a dozen remotes frequently used with mythtv |
| [20:34:27] | Chicago: | Well, that's the thing. I did look at the wiki... I did read the lirc.org info. I did see a few commercial products and schematics for do it yourself stuff. |
| [20:34:41] | Chicago: | The remote isn't the issue.... I have plenty of remotes. |
| [20:34:49] | Dagmar: | yes and it still boils down to how much bullshit you're willing to go through |
| [20:35:04] | Chicago: | Originally, I thought I was shopping for an IR Keyboard and the one on newegg didn't come with the receiver. |
| [20:35:11] | wagnerrp: | if you buy commercial, you almost always buy receiver + remote |
| [20:35:17] | Dagmar: | If you have an open serial port and no other option is jumping out at you (becasue nothing's built into your tuner card) then serial is likely less work |
| [20:35:19] | Chicago: | I don't want to go through too much bullshit... |
| [20:35:56] | Chicago: | Well, this is a one-off frontend for the parents to have in their office room. It's mostly only for mythvideo... |
| [20:35:59] | Dagmar: | ...and that's just because the serial interface is markedly less likely to require anything to make it "go". |
| [20:36:41] | Chicago: | Is there an option I'm missing which would usually easily / universally connect to an IR header as found on most motherboards? |
| [20:36:42] | Dagmar: | There are USB ones which require even less, but you have to know which ones they are and it's seldom obvious until you have the thing in your hand or you're willing to do a lot of research. |
| [20:37:01] | Dagmar: | ...and by "a lot of research" I most certainly do not mean "ask people on IRC a billion questions" |
| [20:37:25] | Chicago: | right, I did learn the chipsets aren't all the same in the USB ones. |
| [20:37:29] | Dagmar: | In the end, I just said "screw it" and threw thirty bucks at the problem |
| [20:37:32] | wagnerrp: | im partial to the mceusb2 remotes, but thats just because its the only one ive bought |
| [20:37:34] | Chicago: | also I'm inclined to go DB-9 for compatibility. |
| [20:37:45] | wagnerrp: | basically, you plug it in, load the module, and lirc 'just works' |
| [20:38:02] | wagnerrp: | but there are several versions of MCE remote that are not 'mceusb2' |
| [20:38:09] | Dagmar: | One iguanaworks serial dongle and a $14 dollar One4All PVR-style remote from Target later and I was done. |
| [20:38:48] | Chicago: | Dagmar, up the iguanaworks serial dongle looks like par for the course |
| [20:39:15] | Chicago: | wagnerrp, if I could get a brand new receiver for the MCE IR keyboard, I think I'd be all set. |
| [20:39:23] | Chicago: | up = yup |
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| [20:40:00] | wagnerrp: | youre looking for something to receive commands from your IR keyboard? |
| [20:40:29] | Dagmar: | You will absolutely want to just buy a new dongle for that |
| [20:40:41] | Chicago: | I don't own an IR keyboard yet either. I'm planning to drop a mythbox into the crawlspace of the parents house and run a video cable and wireless keyboard receiver up through the floor... |
| [20:40:59] | wagnerrp: | why do you want/need a keyboard? |
| [20:41:22] | Chicago: | The IR wireless keyboard seems quite appropriate, because it can navigate the full GUI... and it's scancodes can be fed to the universal remotes which would then mean it should work with the receiver which comes along with the keyboard. |
| [20:41:57] | wagnerrp: | dont most ir keyboards use some proprietary format? something not compatible with standard CIR scan codes? |
| [20:42:23] | Dagmar: | Almost always |
| [20:42:45] | Chicago: | Should I expect such a thing to fail with a learning remote??? |
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| [20:42:54] | Dagmar: | This would be why you'd want to buy the dongle that translates what comes from teh keyboard into keystrokes |
| [20:43:13] | wagnerrp: | were saying a remote, and an ir keyboard, will be in no way compatible |
| [20:43:24] | wagnerrp: | you will not be able to run both off the same receiver |
| [20:43:32] | Chicago: | crap |
| [20:43:35] | wagnerrp: | unless the keyboard comes with a remote specifically designed for that |
| [20:43:53] | Chicago: | I was hoping to plug in the keyboard... then take the learning remote and feed it keys for the appropriate buttons I want to map... |
| [20:43:59] | Chicago: | then lay the keyboard to the side and just use the remote. |
| [20:44:08] | wagnerrp: | when you do the installation |
| [20:44:15] | wagnerrp: | just mount a jack on the wall |
| [20:44:31] | wagnerrp: | with video, audio (if not HDMI), and USB |
| [20:44:31] | Chicago: | I like the pretty wall mount receptacles for IR receivers. |
| [20:44:50] | wagnerrp: | plug a usb IR receiver in for normal operation |
| [20:45:06] | wagnerrp: | plug a usb keyboard in if you ever need to do maintenance that a laptop and ssh wont cut it for |
| [20:45:46] | Chicago: | Yeah, I usually use x11vnc for that, but I'm having trouble with ssvncviewer right now, because when I type... it gets sent to the console rather than as input to the X session. |
| [20:46:20] | Chicago: | wagnerrp, your advise to just run USB on the wall plate makes sense too. |
| [20:46:23] | Chicago: | Less dicking around with IR. |
| [20:46:33] | wagnerrp: | no sense making things more complex than they need be |
| [20:46:36] | Dagmar: | Just tell me you're not using x11vnc from another Linux machineTht00raL00 |
| [20:46:59] | Chicago: | Dagmar, what? |
| [20:47:09] | Dagmar: | Sorry, kinda dropped something on the keyboard ther. |
| [20:47:18] | Dagmar: | Well... *dodged* something falling on the keyboard there |
| [20:48:31] | Chicago: | Dagmar x11vnc runs in xinet.d on the mythbox... if I need to connect to it, I do so from another machine... another option I use is simple X11ssh forwarding. |
| [20:48:46] | Chicago: | But I've been interested in ssvncviewer lately, so I play using x11vnc and xinet.d |
| [20:50:38] | wagnerrp: | are you doing this over the internet? |
| [20:51:17] | Chicago: | wagnerrp, negative; on a lovely ideal LAN environment. |
| [20:51:30] | wagnerrp: | then why are you bothering with ssvnc? |
| [20:51:55] | Chicago: | wagnerrp, It's faster; there is client side caching of the pixmaps. |
| [20:52:09] | wagnerrp: | if youre concerned about someone snooping on your LAN traffic, you have bigger issues than trying to control your myth box |
| [20:52:14] | Chicago: | So if you're ssvncing a 1920x1080 screen... it might appear as 1920x10000 |
| [20:52:26] | Chicago: | I am the only user of my lan. |
| [20:52:57] | Chicago: | When I move the box over to the parents house... they wouldn't have the bandwidth for me to even do it as a remote X session with X11 forwarding through ssh. |
| [20:53:14] | wagnerrp: | ive not really found performance to be any significant issue when running any form of VNC over the lan |
| [20:53:42] | wagnerrp: | (currently running 1600x1200 xchat over VNC) |
| [20:54:26] | Chicago: | cool |
| [20:54:47] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get xpra working under windows... |
| [20:54:53] | Chicago: | what is xpra? |
| [20:55:15] | wagnerrp: | or maybe get NX working, ive heard that does rootless remote X as well |
| [20:55:28] | Chicago: | nevermind, I just read about xpra |
| [20:55:41] | Chicago: | Why not just get a license for Hummingbird reflectionX? |
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| [20:56:27] | Chicago: | I'm usually all for FOSS... but if it has to run on windows; I want to be able to blame someone when it does work. 1-800-FIX-THIS |
| [20:56:29] | wagnerrp: | hummingbird is costly |
| [20:57:26] | Chicago: | yup |
| [20:59:17] | wagnerrp: | reflection just seems to be a windows X server |
| [20:59:29] | wagnerrp: | theres no client-side component |
| [20:59:43] | Chicago: | You don't want to move the whole Xsession? |
| [21:00:07] | wagnerrp: | i want to be able to shift it to whatever machine im currently using, without closing it |
| [21:00:22] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, i would just use cygwin/x and be done with it |
| [21:00:44] | Chicago: | How is that different from VNC'ing into a machine with multiple virtual desktops...? |
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| [21:00:58] | wagnerrp: | its not VNC, its rootless |
| [21:01:33] | Chicago: | Do you mean, no root window? |
| [21:01:37] | Chicago: | No need for a display manager? |
| [21:02:18] | wagnerrp: | meaning, theres not a new window that pops up containing all content within that server |
| [21:02:28] | wagnerrp: | it just gets plastered straight onto your existing desktop |
| [21:03:10] | Chicago: | Too bad, MScam hasn't provided that to us for free. |
| [21:03:23] | wagnerrp: | it appears no different than if you opened the application locally |
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| [21:03:59] | wagnerrp: | except you can attach or detach at will, like vnc or screen |
| [21:04:44] | Chicago: | gotcha |
| [21:05:00] | Chicago: | Are you riding Windows a bunch...? |
| [21:05:09] | wagnerrp: | just my desktop |
| [21:05:23] | Chicago: | Have you tried the 64bit Windows 7? |
| [21:05:30] | wagnerrp: | just my desktop |
| [21:05:43] | Chicago: | Do you have Vx-T on your desktop? |
| [21:06:03] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [21:06:17] | Chicago: | Are you a gamer? |
| [21:06:19] | wagnerrp: | im actually thinking my CPU doesnt have the necessary extensions |
| [21:06:38] | wagnerrp: | i got one of the cheaper core2s |
| [21:06:39] | Chicago: | cat /proc/cpuinfo will reveal it. |
| [21:06:45] | Chicago: | The BIOS will usually enable or disable it. |
| [21:06:59] | wagnerrp: | .... assuming i were running linux |
| [21:07:08] | Chicago: | of course |
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| [21:08:00] | wagnerrp: | yep, no VT listed for Allendale cores |
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| [21:09:15] | sphery: | So, let's see... Oracle owns the Oracle DB and Berkeley DB. Now, after the Sun merger, it will own MySQL. That's a lot of different DB's to own. |
| [21:10:13] | Chipdancer: | mysql is opensource, berkeley db opensource |
| [21:10:23] | sphery: | yeah, but they still "own" them |
| [21:10:32] | Chipdancer: | arguably |
| [21:10:39] | wagnerrp: | Chipdancer: only the 'community' version |
| [21:10:47] | wagnerrp: | there is an enterprise mysql server |
| [21:11:02] | sphery: | I'm not saying it's a bad thing (I'm not the EU), but it's kind of overkill |
| [21:11:28] | sphery: | If Oracle bought Sun, got MySQL and tried to kill it, it wouldn't have any effect on the MySQL FOSS version at all. |
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| [21:15:06] | elmojo: | superm1: I used the installer and don't recall it ever asking me for a mysql password....if you say it does then I believe you |
| [21:18:38] | sphery: | I had heard that it uses the user password for the mysql root password |
| [21:18:47] | sphery: | but I don't know my *buntu, so that may be wrong |
| [21:19:11] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure it *can* do that |
| [21:19:46] | sphery: | maybe that was system root, then |
| [21:19:58] | sphery: | (based on initial install) |
| [21:20:14] | Dagmar: | 1:(10000^10) at least |
| [21:20:33] | wagnerrp: | well it would require that the system and mysql use the same crypto hash on the password, and use the same salt |
| [21:20:48] | elmojo: | sphery: hmmm, maybe that's what Mythbuntu does |
| [21:20:50] | Dagmar: | They don't |
| [21:22:27] | Dagmar: | All you really have to do is generate a random password and store it in /root/.my.cnf |
| [21:22:38] | Dagmar: | THen any root-owned run of mysql will pick it up |
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| [21:34:50] | superm1: | elmojo, it doesnt ask for a mysql password, no. it uses the password you select during installation for your user to produce the initial root password, and generates a random password for the mythtv user |
| [21:35:18] | superm1: | system root user has an undefined password by default (you can't login directly to system root) |
| [21:35:45] | superm1: | you can always reset the root password via dpkg-reconfigure mysql-dfsg-5.1 |
| [21:35:54] | superm1: | er mysql-server-5.1 |
| [21:35:57] | superm1: | its something like that |
| [21:38:33] | iamlindoro: | neat, VLC coming out with a video editor |
| [21:38:44] | iamlindoro: | http://vlmc.org/projects/show/vlmc |
| [21:41:05] | jblack: | it's about time |
| [21:41:53] | Brad-D: | hey guys, quick question about people ripping dvd's to iso. I keep hearing about this because of storage groups. Do people rip to iso, because storage is so cheap. And it just isn't worth the processor cycles/aggravation to transcode? |
| [21:42:18] | kormoc: | menus, extras, etc |
| [21:42:33] | Brad-D: | ahh gotcha |
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| [21:43:29] | iamlindoro: | Personally find all that stuff a distraction |
| [21:43:49] | Brad-D: | iamlindoro: do you rip and transcode? |
| [21:44:03] | iamlindoro: | have given some basic thought to allowing associated video content for films in MythVideo, though, so you could add all the special features |
| [21:44:15] | iamlindoro: | No, transcoding is a waste of time/energy/quality IMO |
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| [21:44:27] | iamlindoro: | Just pull out the raw movie and put it in MV, personally |
| [21:44:44] | Brad-D: | mv? is that an mkv file? |
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| [21:44:49] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo |
| [21:45:10] | Brad-D: | and so the raw movie would be in iso format? vob format? |
| [21:45:18] | Brad-D: | i'm finding transcoding isn't what it's cracked up to be |
| [21:45:22] | Dagmar: | It's definitely easier than repeatedly explaining, "No I'm really not interested in explaining to you in detail how to use transcode" |
| [21:45:35] | Dagmar: | ISO is not a "format" |
| [21:45:37] | iamlindoro: | In a DVD that would be a VOB, but my MythBox is all HD so DVDs don't enter into it |
| [21:45:47] | Brad-D: | like you said tons of time/energy, and sometimes i get sync issues |
| [21:46:00] | Brad-D: | ahh, thanks |
| [21:48:21] | MartinJT: | anyone know anything about mce usb IR receivers? need to know if I can make it accept a signal from other remotes..... |
| [21:48:49] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, the codes are hard programmed into the device |
| [21:48:55] | wagnerrp: | theyre at least programmed into the driver |
| [21:49:06] | MartinJT: | dammit... |
| [21:49:29] | MartinJT: | anyone know of a cheap IR receivers available in the UK then? |
| [21:49:41] | jblack: | MartinJT: Yes, it sucks spending 40 bucks on a remote and receiver.. on the upside, you only have to buy it once.\ |
| [21:49:47] | MartinJT: | I read somewhere that you can build one? is taht right? |
| [21:50:20] | jblack: | Buying one will be cheaper than the expense in parts and your time. Bite the bullet buddy. |
| [21:51:25] | MartinJT: | thing is... I'm trying to setup a couple more myth frontends... and got lots of hauppauge remotes lying around... |
| [21:51:55] | MartinJT: | so was thinking that if I made one, I could make 4, therefore using economies of scale and all that... |
| [21:52:16] | jblack: | sometimes trash is trash. :| |
| [21:52:16] | wagnerrp: | well each subsequent one would take less time on your part |
| [21:52:21] | wagnerrp: | but they would cost exactly the same |
| [21:52:55] | wagnerrp: | economies of scale for computer parts dont come into effect until youre buying hundreds |
| [21:52:57] | jblack: | You're about to spend 40 hours to recover a couple $10 parts. |
| [21:55:11] | Dagmar: | WTF are you going to do with the other three? |
| [21:55:15] | jblack: | You can buy MCE2 remotes for as little as $23 US, which is probaby all of L12 sterling these days. I have this one: http://www.directron.com/gpir02bk.html?gsear=1 |
| [21:55:15] | Dagmar: | Wear them as earrings? |
| [21:55:59] | jblack: | It even comes with batteries for the remote. =) |
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| [21:57:14] | MartinJT: | no... i neeed a replacement for the living room so I can utilise the "DVD" function on the TV remote... then 1 for the backbedroom as it doesn't currently have one. 1 for the master bedroom for the system I'm building, then 1 for the kitchen... |
| [21:58:08] | jblack: | Good luck, then. |
| [21:58:26] | MartinJT: | just got to work out whether I can be bothered... |
| [21:58:28] | jblack: | I hope that ten pounds you save is worth the couple weeks worth of effort. |
| [22:00:06] | MartinJT: | what I wanted was to find a "universal IR Receiver" for sale on t'ebay... but no luck... |
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| [22:01:10] | Dagmar: | You should proably do more research. |
| [22:01:20] | Dagmar: | You wouldn't really have been looking for one if you knew more about IT |
| [22:01:25] | Dagmar: | s/IT/IR/; |
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| [22:01:57] | jblack: | If you're having trouble with spending that little amount of money, then you shouldn't be sitting on your ass watching tv anyways. :P |
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| [22:06:35] | MartinJT: | Dagmar, you lost me... |
| [22:06:35] | mzb: | MartinJT, how about ebay 130354007692? |
| [22:06:48] | Dagmar: | It's simple English. |
| [22:07:36] | Dagmar: | You're not going to find a "universal IR reciever" that's not being marketed by liars because they're pretty much impossible to make. |
| [22:07:56] | Dagmar: | If you did some research into how IR signaling and the associated electronics work, you would not have been looking. |
| [22:08:22] | MartinJT: | well I know there are a few different remote frequencies |
| [22:08:46] | mzb: | for the "emitter" they say "Compatible with most IR systems" ... so I'd have hoped the receiver was similar (rather than specifically designed for the remote |
| [22:10:00] | mzb: | Dagmar, ebay 130354219385 ... not exactly a remote, though ;) |
| [22:11:41] | MartinJT: | mzb, that's what I'm looking for, but not for that amount of money... |
| [22:12:49] | mzb: | dealextreme, focalprice ... they probably have cheaper options |
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| [22:16:49] | Dagmar: | mzb:I'm sorry. Was I supposed to start beliving what some guy on eBay says? |
| [22:17:07] | mzb: | nm |
| [22:17:26] | Dagmar: | That one's also not a cheap option |
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| [22:17:39] | mzb: | agreed |
| [22:17:59] | Dagmar: | In theory it has all three reciever elements on it |
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| [22:18:49] | mzb: | MartinJT, the *cheapest* way (not including the value of your time) to get an IR receiver is to build a home-brew serial |
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| [22:19:13] | mzb: | unless you find something on eBay (2nd hand) for eg |
| [22:19:27] | mzb: | eg: streamzap or similar |
| [22:20:04] | Dagmar: | Especially if your time is worth nothing |
| [22:20:20] | mzb: | I think that's what I said |
| [22:20:35] | MartinJT: | i'm not worth much to be honest... |
| [22:20:42] | mzb: | heh |
| [22:21:14] | Dagmar: | This is also assuming you own a soldering pencil, solder, and actually use them on a regular basis. |
| [22:21:15] | mzb: | without going to Chinese cheapies, a fairly cheap option can be 2nd hand wii-remotes ... but then you'd need to buy single-chargers, etc |
| [22:21:19] | MartinJT: | well all I need to do is find a good guide... and what I wanted was a USB one, not serial |
| [22:21:30] | mzb: | usbirboy? |
| [22:21:44] | mzb: | but then, harder to make, need programming ... not as cheap |
| [22:21:51] | Dagmar: | If you don't have those tools, you might as well just spend the money on an inexpensive pre-made one. |
| [22:22:08] | Dagmar: | Building the prommer necessary to program a chip throws USB options out the window |
| [22:22:28] | MartinJT: | Dagmar, I used to work for ICL on postflow (so I did it for a living...) |
| [22:22:31] | mzb: | cheaper to get streamzap (or similar) on eBay than build a USB receiver |
| [22:22:50] | MartinJT: | streamzap?? |
| [22:22:56] | ** MartinJT googles ** | |
| [22:23:38] | mzb: | http://www.streamzap.com/products/pcremote/ |
| [22:23:45] | mzb: | ie: receiver only |
| [22:23:51] | mzb: | (if you can find one;) |
| [22:24:06] | Dagmar: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5a20/ |
| [22:24:10] | Dagmar: | Forty bucks for both |
| [22:24:29] | mzb: | receiver is not "locked" to remote |
| [22:24:31] | Dagmar: | Actually, I'm going to start telling people to freaking buy that from now on if it works with LIRC |
| [22:24:46] | mzb: | ie: you can use other remotes with it |
| [22:25:46] | mzb: | http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/hardware/stream . . . control.html |
| [22:25:52] | MartinJT: | hmmm... what am I looking for when I look for a remote that isn't locked... |
| [22:26:03] | Dagmar: | Anything that's not USB, generally. |
| [22:26:23] | Dagmar: | Research. You need it. |
| [22:26:34] | Dagmar: | It's what all the cool computer scientists are doing. |
| [22:26:54] | Dagmar: | You'll remain confused and uncomfortable until you learn how IR signaling works. |
| [22:27:10] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, just spend some money. |
| [22:28:08] | mzb: | even cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Streamzap-USBIR2-PC-Rem . . . p/B00008XETO |
| [22:28:10] | Dagmar: | "locked" is really the wrong word to use, probably |
| [22:28:15] | mzb: | yes |
| [22:28:26] | MartinJT: | problem is, I'm now an analyst... i do research all day... and I'm loathed to do much more over chrimbo... |
| [22:28:38] | Dagmar: | Well, here's a hint: |
| [22:28:46] | Dagmar: | Foisting the work onto others isn't going to make you any friends. |
| [22:28:46] | mzb: | streamzap receiver will do what you want ... I have 2 |
| [22:29:03] | Dagmar: | IR signaling isn't that complex. |
| [22:29:07] | mzb: | long day Dagmar ? |
| [22:29:11] | MartinJT: | got friends... need ir receivers... |
| [22:29:13] | MartinJT: | j/k |
| [22:29:20] | Dagmar: | mzb: I *always* have long days. |
| [22:29:28] | mzb: | ah |
| [22:29:37] | MartinJT: | i appreciate the help... |
| [22:29:42] | Dagmar: | ...and there's a special place on my dartboard for claims that they already work all day long. |
| [22:29:55] | Dagmar: | Reading to learn new things isn't that bloody hard, and in the long run it makes you more money. |
| [22:30:03] | sid3windr: | chrimbo! |
| [22:30:29] | Dagmar: | With how cobbled and duct-taped together LIRC is, if you *don't* know anything about IR signaling, the first little problem you hit will be well-nigh insurmountable |
| [22:30:33] | mzb: | speaking of which ... I'm supposed to be cleaning the house, the BBQ, the front yard ... |
| [22:30:33] | MartinJT: | Dagmar, that's how I got to where I am, so I definately agree... |
| [22:30:36] | mzb: | *sigh* ;) |
| [22:31:37] | MartinJT: | Dagmar, I probably understand more than I think to be honest... i've just been looking, and thinking, it shouldn't be this hard! i must be missing something |
| [22:31:37] | mzb: | roast BBQ chicken today, roast BBQ pork tomorrow, and fresh crayfish sat/sun ;) |
| [22:32:12] | mzb: | MartinJT, two choices: |
| [22:32:26] | mzb: | 1) something like a streamzap receiver (they work!) |
| [22:32:26] | mzb: | or |
| [22:32:34] | mzb: | 2) http://usbirboy.sourceforge.net/ (or similar) |
| [22:33:03] | mzb: | you *can't* put a homebrew serial on a serial/usb converter ... doesn't work that way |
| [22:33:46] | wagnerrp: | those things only do data? not analog signalling? |
| [22:33:54] | AndyCap: | well. close enough. http://www.huitsing.nl/irftdi/ |
| [22:34:31] | mzb: | no RTS/DTS (?) at the computer end, which is what lirc needs |
| [22:34:53] | mzb: | if you wade through the feedback on dealextreme for their "media remotes with receivers" you might find something ... but again, ymmv |
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| [22:41:46] | mzb: | but most of them are HID devices, which I'd imagine to be more painful, less configurable, and certainly not compatible with "normal" remotes |
| [22:43:09] | Dagmar: | s/less/not/; |
| [22:43:30] | mzb: | xmodmap? ;) |
| [22:43:34] | wagnerrp: | well you cant configure the device itself, but you can configure myth's keybindings to get around that |
| [22:43:35] | mzb: | (etc) |
| [22:43:50] | Dagmar: | Configuring X isn't the same as configuring the device |
| [22:43:59] | mzb: | yes, "limited" configuration, then? :) |
| [22:44:35] | mzb: | s/configuration _options_ |
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| [22:44:49] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to reprogram my HID multimedia buttons |
| [22:45:09] | wagnerrp: | im tired of 'sleep' actually putting my computer into standby |
| [22:45:13] | mzb: | I'm actually interested in these atm: ebay 150388256050 |
| [22:45:35] | mzb: | (having toyed with the idea of a real bluetooth ps3 remote) |
| [22:45:56] | rv65: | I have the official PS3 remote |
| [22:46:02] | wagnerrp: | someone said those things have a proper lirc module now? |
| [22:46:54] | mzb: | ie: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.24858 (not genuine) |
| [22:47:16] | mzb: | lirc for bluetooth? |
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| [22:50:26] | mzb: | looks like dev/input could do the job |
| [22:51:48] | AndyCap: | lirc or gizmod |
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| [22:58:11] | rv65: | the FCC is wanting to reform the cable box standards |
| [22:58:18] | rv65: | They said cablecard is a failure |
| [22:58:36] | rv65: | Sony supports a whole house gateway that uses IP |
| [22:58:53] | rv65: | so mythtv backend could record off of it |
| [22:58:59] | rv65: | and standards |
| [22:59:02] | rv65: | like DLNA |
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| [23:06:24] | AndyCap: | dlna is evil. |
| [23:07:15] | Dagmar: | rv66: Any idiot can quote pointless buzzwords. |
| [23:07:19] | Dagmar: | THank you for trolling, come again! |
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| [23:08:01] | wagnerrp: | that was pointless and/or random |
| [23:08:23] | Dagmar: | With Sony involved, there's not even a point in reading the specs |
| [23:08:34] | Dagmar: | You can just assume there'll be a patent wall in there somewhere important. |
| [23:08:56] | wagnerrp: | actually, its tivo's "standard", and a bunch of other manufacturers are supporting it |
| [23:09:13] | wagnerrp: | basically, your cablebox now becomes an IPTV gateway |
| [23:09:26] | wagnerrp: | it manages decryption of whatever content you are authorized to use |
| [23:09:32] | wagnerrp: | and feeds it to whatever device wants them |
| [23:09:57] | Dagmar: | Shadowed: I am pretty sure I've made it clear that GS is pretty useless for everything but the most coarse of measurements |
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| [23:10:16] | wagnerrp: | of course what goes unmentioned is that the device that wants them must be manufacturer by some paid-in-full trade group member, who swears that they will never make the content available to the end user |
| [23:11:12] | wagnerrp: | unless the FCC gets some balls, and basically tells the cablecos tough sh*t, its not going to make a bit of difference for homebrew users |
| [23:11:18] | Dagmar: | Hence, there's a patent wall in there somewhere |
| [23:11:37] | Dagmar: | They should give the FCC semi-automatic weapons and rights to use them at will. |
| [23:11:41] | Dagmar: | That would fix the problem. |
| [23:14:01] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i cant seem to find my eventghost config file from my previous install |
| [23:14:09] | wagnerrp: | i really dont want to have to reprogram that |
| [23:17:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you use x10 for home automation? |
| [23:18:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, just for reprogramming the multimedia buttons on my keyboard |
| [23:18:24] | wagnerrp: | logitech's tool is pretty poor in terms of capability |
| [23:18:25] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [23:19:14] | sphery: | I've toyed with the idea of HA, but have heard that X10 is really just a toy, so I'm wondering what others use. |
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| [23:19:41] | wagnerrp: | mzb: dont you use that stuff? |
| [23:20:08] | mzb: | yes |
| [23:20:25] | mzb: | and yes, x10 is ... cheap and old |
| [23:20:43] | mzb: | there are better ways these days ... z-wave, etc |
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| [23:20:45] | AndyCap: | reasonably priced and well-tested. :P |
| [23:21:00] | sphery: | hmmm... z-wave |
| [23:21:27] | AndyCap: | EIB/KNX if you don't have a budget. :P |
| [23:21:47] | mzb: | avoid using the x10 receivers without collision detection (PITA;)) |
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| [23:22:18] | sphery: | wouldn't say I don't have a budget, but I appreciate the info, nonetheless |
| [23:23:23] | mzb: | I've now got lights, fans, heaters, irrigation, greenhouse fan, keychain remote (use for control of music videos on mythFE, for one thing), christmas lights ....gets worse ;) |
| [23:23:25] | elmojo: | superm1: it might make sense to mention that the user password is also the mysql root password (if it's not already there) |
| [23:23:34] | jnordberg: | I'm having a problem with HDMI audio, works ok but when exiting livetv or after watching a recording i sometimes get a annoying beeping sound until i watch something again |
| [23:23:41] | jnordberg: | anyone else experience this? |
| [23:24:06] | elmojo: | superm1: cause that's not obvious in any way |
| [23:24:26] | mzb: | working on rrdtool for a few things, including the rain tipper stats: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTip . . . per_week.png |
| [23:24:26] | sphery: | mzb: yeah, I love how the iPhone commercials now say something about "light up your Christmas tree" followed by "There's an app for that!"--as if all it takes is an app |
| [23:24:38] | mzb: | hehe |
| [23:24:45] | sphery: | when you download it from the iPhone store, does it download the hardware, too? |
| [23:24:54] | sphery: | or is that standard with an iPhone purchase |
| [23:25:16] | sphery: | I think someone else is using rrdtool and doing some nice graphs of their usage |
| [23:26:00] | mzb: | I've got the christmas tree, a "christmas star" and a rope light controlled automatically ... comes on 1hr before "dark", turns off at 1am... except Christmas day is on all day. Then it _stops_ (until next year?;)) |
| [23:26:02] | sphery: | wow, z-wave is GE |
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| [23:27:13] | mzb: | I've now got the irrigation getting reasonable, including extraction fan for the greenhouse. Still working on temperature measurement. |
| [23:27:57] | mzb: | and I've got audible alerts (mostly spoken) for various events ... doors, rain tipper "drip", etc |
| [23:28:05] | Dagmar: | bleh |
| [23:28:17] | Dagmar: | The one guy I know who could tell you how to deal with temps in a heartbeat isn't online right now |
| [23:28:17] | mzb: | (mostly for debug) |
| [23:28:32] | Dagmar: | he's got a few ip-enabled weather stations up[ |
| [23:29:08] | mzb: | I've got an LM355Z installed, but having issues with the supply (very long lead). Electrical engineer (Dad) arriving this afternoon should be able to look at it for me. |
| [23:29:55] | mzb: | I've discovered that tomato plants don't appreciate 43C much ;) |
| [23:30:01] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [23:30:19] | Dagmar: | Very few plants do |
| [23:30:28] | mzb: | :) |
| [23:31:00] | Dagmar: | Last August we had a veritably blight here with temps at or just above 95 for almost the whole month. didn' tdrop below 88F the entire time |
| [23:31:11] | mzb: | and that was the temp ~2 feet off the floor (wet concrete) in the shade ... top of the greenhouse appears to be 5–10 degrees more |
| [23:31:33] | Dagmar: | It even killed those waxy-leaved topiary bushes out in front of the apartment complex that normally require nuclear weapons or at least a lot of kerosene to kil off |
| [23:31:42] | mzb: | hehe |
| [23:31:49] | Dagmar: | 109F will sure as hell kill tomatoes |
| [23:32:10] | mzb: | yep, trying to keep it down to ~30C max |
| [23:32:19] | mzb: | fan _appears_ to almost achieve that |
| [23:32:50] | Dagmar: | For me it was like California Fire Season had moved to Tennessee. I was definitely concerned. |
| [23:32:51] | AndyCap: | killer tomatoes. |
| [23:32:53] | mzb: | when it doesn't I can turn the water on for 20–30 seconds and then turn the fan back on .... makes a difference |
| [23:33:13] | Dagmar: | California doesn't have a lot of foliage, so when it all becomes flammable for awhile it's not a _massive_ problem |
| [23:33:26] | Dagmar: | In Tennessee, you'd think the forests were winning. |
| [23:34:00] | mzb: | this is what it looks like so far: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Greenhouse/ |
| [23:34:10] | Dagmar: | With everything but the trees being dead, I made sure my car stayed full up with gas so I could drive a few states over if I needed to. |
| [23:34:15] | mzb: | (except that I've got the fan+vent installed at the top) |
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| [23:35:15] | mzb: | I've been writing a helper script (database backed) to combine the whole thing together (effectively side-stepping heyu) ... need to get the door inputs working more reliably |
| [23:35:35] | Dagmar: | Yeah you woudln't want people to just walk in on your "tomatoes" |
| [23:35:41] | mzb: | have had issues with the pl2303 adapters for the CM11 dying |
| [23:36:03] | mzb: | hehe ... no, don't have door switch there ;) |
| [23:36:17] | mzb: | but all controlled by the same board (atm) |
| [23:36:36] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTip . . . on_board.jpg |
| [23:37:03] | mzb: | 8 inputs: 5 doors, greenhouse temp (in theory), rain tipper and rain sensor |
| [23:37:08] | superm1: | elmojo, yeah, it/s probably something we need to document somewhere. i'd rather not expose the user to it during install though. its far more technical than most need to know about |
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| [23:39:48] | justinon: | Can mythtranscode create an xvid from a .nuv file? |
| [23:40:17] | sphery: | mythexport could |
| [23:40:21] | sphery: | mythtranscode can't |
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| [23:41:35] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
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| [23:42:09] | Hilikus: | anyone knows what kernel module do i need to use a hauppauge 150 IR blaster? |
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| [23:42:26] | Dagmar: | Someone somewhere surely must. |
| [23:43:47] | Hilikus: | it seems lirc_pvr150 doesnt work with 2.6.31 |
| [23:45:21] | ctmjr: | nothing works with 2.6.31 |
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| [23:49:00] | Hilikus: | should i go back to 2.6.28? |
| [23:49:25] | Dagmar: | Why did you update to 2.6.31? |
| [23:50:50] | Hilikus: | ubuntu 9.10 |
| [23:51:07] | Hilikus: | i didnt update the kernel specifically |
| [23:51:14] | Hilikus: | but the whole OS |
| [23:51:42] | Dagmar: | So you should probably ask those people if they have a solution. |
| [23:51:58] | Dagmar: | ...or downgrade. |
| [23:52:32] | Dagmar: | I'm sure they'll tell you what I'm thinking right now, which is... |
| [23:52:35] | Dagmar: | "Restore your backup" |
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