Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, December 22nd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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ross:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723090

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clever:

better looking, i see stack traces

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clever:

just have to find the right one now

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joebob:

is there a better modeline guide?

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ross:

the actual infrared reciever still lights a red light when i press the remote but the service seems to hang

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clever:

ross: i think the output got cut off

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ross:

ugh how can i get the full one

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awalls:

I was wondering how he had a system with only 5 or so processes. :P

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ross:

well how i get a hold of teh complete log

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clever:

it might be in /var/log/kern.log or similar

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ross:

thning is i m on putty and aperantly it only saves so many lines

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awalls:

FTP the log file over.

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clever:

get winscp and download the entire log file to windows

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ross:

winscp ok lemme see

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clever:

winscp works thru sshd, so its the same ip/port/name/pw

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ross:

oh wow thats a handy tool to have

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clever:

but with the large volume its spewing, syslog may still be overwhelemed and drop some parts

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ross:

damn i broke the messages file

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awalls:

ross: broke, or rotated out to messages.1?

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ross:

broke

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ross:

but i got a copy

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ross:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723107

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ross:

you want a log from before it hangs and one after???

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awalls:

No just the hang.

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ross:

kk i make you a cleaner one

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awalls:

Gah, my firefox decided to hangs :P

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ross:

heh

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clever:

awalls: yeah its a massive paste

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clever:

nearly crippled mine aswell

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clever:

its also causing redraw bugs

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ross:

0.0

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awalls:

look for "modprobe" or "rmmod" or "lirc" in the output

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clever:

i see rmmod on like 934

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awalls:

We want to find a process that is nor R running (or S sleeping I think)

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clever:

top of the stacktrace is usb_kill_urb+0x64/0xa0

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awalls:

/nor/not/

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clever:

D state

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awalls:

D is likely the one

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ross:

i got a cleaner log uploading

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awalls:

I can't remember what state D is right now, but I know when I managed to get X to hang, it was in state D

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clever:

ross: try unpluging the receiver

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clever:

its usb, so removing it may kick the driver in the ass

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ross:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1723119

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ross:

nope unplugguing and plugging back in don t do nothing

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awalls:

Well, there's no way to clean up the mess the driver has created without rebooting.

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clever:

yeah

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awalls:

The stack backtrace will help the developer figure out why the unload failed

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ross:

sooooo explanation which i would understand?? what mess

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Dagmar:

"reboot and hope it doesn't happen too often"

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ross:

heh it happens every 5–6 clicks

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ross:

last time i managed to get 2 clicks in

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it

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Dagmar:

's broken to me

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ross:

so whats the driver doing and what mess is it creating

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Dagmar:

"effing up"?

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ross:

well yeah i noticed that

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Dagmar:

If you can't code in C I would start to see if it's working for anyone else with that equipment

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Dagmar:

If it's not, you're done.

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Dagmar:

If it *is*, they might have mentioned what they had to do to get around it

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ross:

i guess i m done

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Dagmar:

Now I just gotta remember to get up earlier than usual tomorrow so I can go pick up the digital reciever

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Dagmar:

I started to tell the community sales rep "Look, at this rate, I can figure out how to use a softcam before you give me a straight answer"

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Dagmar:

I am much happier just throwing money at the problem

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ross:

well i can only program with a hammer and that usually sends it the kill signal

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awalls:

ross: in the latest log you pasted I don't see a hung process.

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awalls:

I assume you didn't try to remove the module then?

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Nidhoegger:

what module makes problems?

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ross:

no i didn t but it is hung

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ross:

lirc

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awalls:

What is hung? Mythfrontend?

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Nidhoegger:

which?

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Nidhoegger:

lirc_igorplugusb?

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ross:

no the remote

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ross:

the remotedreiver lirc-mceusb is hung

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Nidhoegger:

ross, did you solder that piece yourself?

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ross:

no it s teh original reciever from mce

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Nidhoegger:

usb i guess?

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Nidhoegger:

yes

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ross:

yup i got a bunch of those and all of em do it

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Nidhoegger:

erm, i had a similar problem

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Nidhoegger:

with lirc_igorplugusb

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ross:

how you fix it

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Nidhoegger:

well it was very funny, it was the isolation of the USB cable ;)

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ross:

0.0

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Nidhoegger:

i soldered a more well isolated to the receiver, and it worked :D

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ross:

well i can change the wire

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ross:

it got a plug like a printer or scanner

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Nidhoegger:

i used the one of my IcyBox, they are very well isolated

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ross:

if thats teh problem i be pissed

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Nidhoegger:

but module unloading with usb lirc modules is btw not possible

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ross:

lemme grab another usb cable

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Nidhoegger:

and it returnes huge errors if you just unplug the usb module

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Nidhoegger:

*-module+cable

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Nidhoegger:

if you remove the device, youll first be able to use it again after a reboot

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Nidhoegger:

ah and btw, the lirc usb modules are way buggy, ive just bought a serial receiver, since then im very happy *gg*

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clever:

Nidhoegger: i baught a serial receiver on the web a few years back, it still hasnt arrived...

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Nidhoegger:

atric?

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clever:

diff site

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Nidhoegger:

ah okay

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ross:

thast some long shipping times there

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clever:

Nidhoegger: http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . Name=circuit

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ross:

ok i switched teh reciever and c able lets see

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Nidhoegger:

ross, remember to reboot

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ross:

i am

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Nidhoegger:

ah ok

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ross:

well i can t build a serial one i have no serial port

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Nidhoegger:

serial port PCI card?

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Nidhoegger:

clever, you dont need to buy that, buy the pieces in a electronic store and solder it

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ross:

GAH it hangs againafter 3 clicks

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clever:

Nidhoegger: even pci slots are going extinct

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Nidhoegger:

i just wanted one with on/off function

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knightrage_:

hey guys. my mythtv is fullscreen, but my gnome panels are still on top of it (making it hard to see the buttons for configuring, etc). how do i make it either on top of the gnome panels or have the window be a little smaller?

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clever:

Nidhoegger: cant find the main ir receiver/decoder ic

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ross:

this really blows

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Nidhoegger:

what?

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Nidhoegger:

clever what IC?

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ross:

even with a new cable and reciever same issue after 2–3 clicks the remote stops working

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Nidhoegger:

did it stop working in lirc/mythtv or in mode2?

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clever:

Nidhoegger: the tsop-1738 in http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . Name=circuit

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clever:

Nidhoegger: something similar to that

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Nidhoegger:

mom

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Nidhoegger:

they are called different, let me check my piecebox, brb

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ross:

i dunno where it stopped if you want you can ssh into the box and look around

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Nidhoegger:

i used the TSOP 31238

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Nidhoegger:

its an 38kHz receiver

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ross:

should i file a bug with that ??

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Nidhoegger:

should work

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clever:

Nidhoegger: yep that the part i cant find

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Nidhoegger:

ross i can look if you want

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ross:

sure is there something like a seperate convo

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Nidhoegger:

clever, i find it instantly on reichelt.de (german supply site)

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clever:

Nidhoegger: i was refering to local stores

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ross:

well reichelt has everything hehe

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Nidhoegger:

but a TSOP shouldnt be a problem o_O

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Nidhoegger:

where do you live?

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Nidhoegger:

country?

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clever:

Nidhoegger: nb canada

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clever:

canada :P

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ross:

us here

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Nidhoegger:

^^

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Nidhoegger:

if it was in europe i would have shipped it to you *gg*

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ross:

but i m from germany

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Nidhoegger:

ah cool

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Nidhoegger:

y you live in canada?

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ross:

hell no

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Nidhoegger:

erm i mean us

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ross:

usa i moved here 7 years ago

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Nidhoegger:

how well can you read german?=

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ross:

fluent

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Nidhoegger:

http://blackstrom.derschwarz.de/avr/vdr_ir_ei . . . /index.shtml here is a very cheap IR Receiver with on/off functionality for the serial port

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ross:

ich komm aus dortmund man

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Nidhoegger:

kann passieren *gg*

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ross:

haha

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ross:

anyways if yo want you can have a look at the box convo me and i give you ip and login

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Nidhoegger:

clever dont you have a store that sells electronics?

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clever:

Nidhoegger: radio shack used to have alot, but then 'the source' bought out the chain

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ross:

yeah radio shack really sucks they only carry junk now

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clever:

its not even called radio shack up in canada

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ross:

so if you re looking for cheap crap look no further

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ross:

heh it s still radio shack here but no more electronic parts

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wagnerrp:

they usually have the back wall (of a long and narrow store) for such parts

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ross:

here in my area they only carry crap

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youre not going to find anything more than you would in your average hardware sore

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ross:

yup

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wagnerrp:

just bulk wire and connectors

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wagnerrp:

with the occasional crimp tool or circuit tester

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clever:

yeah thats about it

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ross:

i ve seen some crappy soldering irons there before

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wagnerrp:

not really sure what would make a soldering iron 'crappy'

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wagnerrp:

i mean anything with a plug, a handle, and a pointy end is adequate

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Nidhoegger:

not anything :D

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clever:

wagnerrp: if the tip is too blunt, its only good for stabbing:P

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clever:

you need a fine tip for the smaller chips

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wagnerrp:

unless its so low wattage it cant actually solder

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clever:

that too

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wagnerrp:

and even a blunt iron can be sanded down

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Dagmar:

Not true

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Dagmar:

A blunt tip is good for turning otherwise useful circuits into misshapen lumps of useless slag.

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wagnerrp:

blunt tip + file = fine tip

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clever:

and what about the chrome/whatever platting to keep the cheaper inner metal from coroding?

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[R]:

wtf... mythfilldatabase ran a million times today

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[R]:

what did i configure wrong?

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Nidhoegger:

LOL

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Nidhoegger:

cronjob every 2 secs?

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[R]:

its run from the backend

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clever:

Nidhoegger: cron doesnt go that low

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Nidhoegger:

hmmm dont know

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Nidhoegger:

maybe custom crondaemon :D

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[R]:

it ran at midnight, at 3 am, at 6am, at 9 am, at noon, and 3pm

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Nidhoegger:

thats not a million times..

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mazda01:

using mythtv 0.22.0+fixes22991–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 and am hoping i can get ATI Remote Wonder to work with it. Any problems for anyone else?

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wagnerrp:

clever: just means you need to take a couple seconds with the file or sandpaper every couple uses

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wagnerrp:

and youre still going to get plenty of life out of a $5 iron before you wear down the tip completely

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clever:

wagnerrp: and after 20 uses, there will be nothing left to the tip:P

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wagnerrp:

nah, ive had mine for about four years now

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clever:

it would be alot less work to get a proper iron, or atleast one with replaceable tips

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wagnerrp:

using it maybe once a wek

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Hilikus:

what tables do i need to restore the links between mythtv and the actual recorded episodes

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Hilikus:

the available episodes that is

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Wicked:

hmm. it seems mythweather doenst seem to find any nearby cities for me. ive made sure the scripts are installed and i have the right perl modules installed and also that the scripts are chmod'ed correctly like the wiki says....but i cannot find any cities that are relatively close to me

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Nidhoegger:

maybe you live in the outback?

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Nidhoegger:

and there simply ARE no citys :D

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Wicked:

hehe. nah. im east coast usa in massachusetts

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Hilikus_:

sorry

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Hilikus_:

what tables do i need to restore to be able to watch recorded episodes? my DB died

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clever:

Hilikus_: could try just restoring all of them

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Hilikus_:

i don't want to restore settings or the current guide data

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clever:

Hilikus_: then skip the settings and program tables

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Hilikus_:

can't i instead of start skippnig tables, add the ones i want? i also want to skip mythweb, mythnews, etc

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clever:

mythweb doesnt really have a table of its own

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Hilikus_:

i just need to know what tables are related to playing recorded episodes. is this info available anywhere?

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Hilikus_:

i'm thinknig recorded*

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Hilikus_:

but it might be missing stuff

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clever:

recorded has the bulk of that info

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clever:

record is your scheduling rules

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Hilikus_:

don't i also need recordedcredits, recordedprogram, ...

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clever:

not sure what those are

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ross:

well i messed around with the remotes a bit

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ross:

and aperantly it has to do with what kind of remote you use

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ross:

i m clicking away like hell and hasn t crashed yet

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ross:

itr s unbelievable that the damn remote i was using cashes the ir reciever

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kormoc:

unbelievable? It's a chunk of software that didn't gracefully handle a signal it never intended to receive/process. What's so unbelievable about it?

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ross:

well it s a damn infrared remote

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ross:

cheap mce knockoffs

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ross:

now i m using a original mce remote control

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ross:

and its working

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kormoc:

So? Doesn't change the fact that some human had to code up a case for that error, what's so hard to believe that someone didn't consider it?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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ross:

well when i compared both ir stream i found out the knockoff actually sends some other crap with it then the original mce remote

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ross:

so my guess is this stuff in the ir code causes the crash of the whole kernel module

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ross:

so this would solve all the crap with the mce ir reciever not working for many others

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ross:

it s not the reciever it s the remote

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kormoc:

All the crap eh?

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ross:

yup that pisses me off

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ross:

3 days of fiddeling around with it

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ross:

and then it s a software issue in teh remote

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kormoc:

Really? I couldn't tell with the whole breaking channel rules multiple times bit and the ranting and all that jazz

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ross:

ah i see you re one of those

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kormoc:

Developer? Channel op?

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ross:

dungeon keeper in mommys basement??

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

no so much that last one

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ross:

i merely tried to explain to the ppl that tried to help me earlyer what the problem was

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kormoc:

but hey, nothing like showing respect to the volunteers by disrespecting the rules

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kormoc:

sure, but none of that required swearing

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ross:

that wasn t swearing

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kormoc:

you have multiple times in the backlog

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[R]:

oh well... so much for my wake on usb fantasy :(

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ross:

heh

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wagnerrp:

[R]: one of the rare few that doesnt have support?

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ross:

but if it angers the channel god i try my best to not say it again

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kormoc:

ross: it is covered in the channel rules that it's not allowed in here

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ross:

usb?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: nah... if i have my usb ir receiver plugged in... it wake up immediately... if its not plugged in... it goes to sleep just fine

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kormoc:

ross: swearing

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manab23:

i'm sure my question is answered somewhere but i can't figure out how to phrase the question in the mailing list search. when watching live tv, i am forced to be 5 to 60 seconds (variable) behind the end of the recording. if i press forward, it won't le

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ross:

oh

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and it'll only wake on usb from S3

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what else would you want it to wake from?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: S5

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kormoc:

manab23: that's the nature of our recording architecture, you can't 'fix' it

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wagnerrp:

technically thats not wake

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wagnerrp:

thats boot-on-USB

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[R]:

lol

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ross:

wagnerrp: guess what the problem was on the mce ir reciever crashing

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[R]:

my desktop will wake on lan from S5

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manab23:

kormoc: okay, that's fine. thanks!

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wagnerrp:

[R]: like i said earlier, its the better part of a minute faster, at a cost of a couple dollars a year

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[R]:

yeah i know

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[R]:

but it won't do S3

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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[R]:

so its pretty irrelevent

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jpabq:

Odd. I just noticed my system was not recording the football game. Bring up the "Upcomming" list shows the game with a status of "Will Record". Since they game started an hour ago, that obviously is not true. Restarting mythbackend got it recording, but it is annoying to think myth may not record something important.

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[R]:

although i suppose if i disabled wake on usb

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[R]:

S3 would probably work

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wagnerrp:

manab23: you should be able to get to within about 3 seconds behind live, plus whatever the latency of devices in your recording chain are

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wagnerrp:

bleh....

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[R]:

jpabq: errors in the log?

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ross:

kormoc: i got one for you how can i make mythtv delete the recordings that are not used after changing the channel

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wagnerrp:

ross: you dont, you let the auto-expire after a few days

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jpabq:

[R], none, and that is with '-v channel,record'. It looks like the event was never triggered at all.

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kormoc:

ross: live tv? They auto delete after 24 hours or expire first if you run out of room sooner

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[R]:

jpabq: weird

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jpabq:

yeah.

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ross:

so it won t clutter up teh whole hdd

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kormoc:

ross: if you switch the display filter to live tv, you could delete them that way as well (works in mythweb as well)

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kormoc:

ross: the idea is that it won't, aye

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ross:

oh kk got ya

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wagnerrp:

ross: mythtv is set up to leave a minimum of 10GB of free space available on the drive

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ross:

i guess i have to stick a bigger drive in it then

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wagnerrp:

that is a userdefinable limit

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ross:

i see

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wagnerrp:

if it gets closer than that, you start auto-expiring recordings

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ross:

ah cool

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ross:

i like that ide

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ross:

a

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ross:

i also love the fact that i can have a backend and a rontend

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wagnerrp:

generally you dedicate a drive/partition to mythtv recordings

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wagnerrp:

so you can prevent it from overrunning other files

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ross:

i do?

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ross:

heh

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ross:

didn t know that

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wagnerrp:

and that 10GB is enough allowance that myth will delete a previous recording to prevent running out of space on a new recording

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ross:

that would be user defined partitioning

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ross:

or i could mount that hdd in the recording folder huh

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wagnerrp:

that would be, youre expected to have multiple drives when using mythtv

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wagnerrp:

most people end up with a small root drive, and then several larger drives for bulk storage

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wagnerrp:

or at least a 20GB or so root partition

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ross:

i see

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wagnerrp:

you ABSOLUTELY do not want to run out of free space on whatever holds your mysql database

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ross:

but i could also mount say a 1 tb drive in teh recording folder

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt do any good, because myth only records to the root of the folder

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ross:

oh

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wagnerrp:

you would simply mount the drive somewhere else

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kormoc:

and add it to the storage group and all is well

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wagnerrp:

and add that mount point as another folder in the recording storage group

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ross:

so how would i go with adding a 1 tb drive

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kormoc:

^^

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wagnerrp:

you can add multiple independent folders to a single storage group

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ross:

i don t even know what a storage group is

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will load balance between them

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ross:

nor where to find it

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wagnerrp:

a 'storage group' is that last thing you filled out in mythtv-setup when installing mythtv

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ross:

hmm i honestly wasn t paying too much attention

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup, item 6

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wagnerrp:

where you told mythtv where to record to

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ross:

o.0

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ross:

heh

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ross:

it told itself hehe

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wagnerrp:

unless your distro has some other setup dialog that bypasses that

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not set any defaults for that

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ross:

well i run mythbuntu

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ross:

plug and play

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ross:

very convienient

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ross:

oh and noob friendly hehe

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ross:

but i m always willing to learn how to do it right

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wagnerrp:

fun... no wonder my systems havent been rebooting

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wagnerrp:

some gentoo update overwrote my changes to the init scripts to prevent shutting down the network interface

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wagnerrp:

so the interface goes down, i lose disk access, and then it seizes up

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ross:

o.0

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[R]:

i hate that

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wagnerrp:

they also seem to have taken the nfsroot stuff out of the shutdown script

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what theyre using instead

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ross:

i wonder what a nfsroot shutdown script is

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wagnerrp:

do you know what nfs is?

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ross:

great racing game??

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ross:

j/k

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wagnerrp:

network file system

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ross:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

nfsroot is when your root file system exists on a NFS share

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wagnerrp:

rather than on some local disk

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ross:

oh man so you booting from the network??

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wagnerrp:

so if you kill ethernet, you take down NFS as well, and you lose access to the files necessary to continue shutting down

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ross:

yeah that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

there used to be a little if clause that would exit out of the network shutdown script if it detected you were running nfsroot

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ross:

so you wanna shutdown ethernet last

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wagnerrp:

no, you just dont do it at all

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ross:

i see

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wagnerrp:

leave it up right until you trip the power

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ross:

so you booting from a network source

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wagnerrp:

yes, i only have two machines in the house that boot non-windows from a local disk

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ross:

i tried to set that up a couple times but never succeded

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wagnerrp:

the server, and my laptop... the rest are diskless

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ross:

yeah thats nice i d love to have that but i m too stupid to figure out how it works

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu should do it practically automatically

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ross:

boot diskless?

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu has some automated LTSP setup tool

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ross:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

has for a year or two

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ross:

well like i said i m too dumb to do it

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ross:

but i did sleep in the holiday in express last night hahaha

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ross:

didn t help though

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ross:

i rely on howtos

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wagnerrp:

http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless

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wagnerrp:

although that seems to be a bit aged

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ross:

heh

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ross:

well it should be basically the same for 9.10

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wagnerrp:

should != will

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[R]:

its about the same

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wagnerrp:

speaking of w-o-usb... i need to get that set back up

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wagnerrp:

i never did so after reinstalling a couple months ago

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ross:

w o usb ??? whats that

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wagnerrp:

wake-on-

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wagnerrp:

the thing [R] has been struggling with for a while now

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ross:

oh

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ross:

why you guys let it go into standby anyways

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wagnerrp:

because we dont need it running?

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ross:

hmm good point

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh... another reason wake on usb woudn't work for me... i want my backend to shutdown

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[R]:

suspend to ram*

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ross:

you know what i noticed teh pic on the tv has the blue shifted to the right

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wagnerrp:

stop moving towards it

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therealgalen:

Anybody around here using an nVidia Ion platform frontend? I'm thinking about getting one, but I'd like to know a bit about any limitations / gotchas involved...

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ross:

?

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[R]:

therealgalen: none?

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[R]:

therealgalen: flash doesnt' work?

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wagnerrp:

its being blue-shifted, so stop moving towards it... astronomy joke

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ross:

hahaha

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ross:

well the ir recieve just kicked teh bucket again

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: the only real issue is if you have content that VDPAU is not happy with, youre pretty much SOL for decoding in software

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: what kind of content isn't?

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therealgalen:

[R]: I don't think flash is relevant to me. I am wondering about any limits with 1080i deinterlacing options, or any significant annoyances that might tend to occur in regular use...

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[R]:

therealgalen: well the wiki explains what types of deinterlacinng are availbe

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wagnerrp:

anything divx/xvid (although usually that will be standard def and sufficiently low bitrate that the atom can handle it)

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[R]:

it looks just fine to me

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wagnerrp:

improperly encoded h264

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wagnerrp:

anything with errors

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[R]:

the nvidia 190 drivers are gettin much better at handling spouts of corruption

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therealgalen:

[R]: the wiki doesn't say what happens if I use advanced 2x deinterlcing...

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[R]:

therealgalen: you can't

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU has gotten a lot better in that regard

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wagnerrp:

but its still not nearly as robust as libav

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: good point on the xvid, although that's not an issue for me, I hadn't thought about that potential concern

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[R]:

i watch low res crap sd xvid all the time

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: what do you mean 'what happens'?

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[R]:

never had a problem

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: does 1080i playback fine with advanced 2x deinterlacing?

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wagnerrp:

on an ION? no

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt have the power for it

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wagnerrp:

youll manage maybe 45fps, on 60fps content

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wagnerrp:

so everything will be going in slow motion

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therealgalen:

are there any comparisons of advanced versus temporal deinterlacing?

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[R]:

therealgalen: whatever it does support... works just fine

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[R]:

mmm... mythweb doesn't say 720 vs 1080

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[R]:

hrm... odd... i could have sworn i saw a little 720 icon at the bottom of my recordings screen, but now i don't

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wagnerrp:

oof... forgot to update mythweb

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: where do you find improperly encoded h.264? And do you mean improperly encoded as in... too high a profile.. or improperly encoded as in, invalid bitstream.

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: profiles have names, and as such cannot be 'too high'

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wagnerrp:

either VDPAU supports it, or it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

youre thinking of 'levle's

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wagnerrp:

'levels'

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wagnerrp:

of which VDPAU supports up to 4.1

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wagnerrp:

it will attempt to play whatever you throw at it, regardless of the level it claims it is

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wagnerrp:

but if it actually exceeds the limits of 4.1, in terms of bitrate, macroblockrate, reference frame count, etc.... bad things will happen

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wagnerrp:

i have some old DVD rips i made that only play the key frames

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therealgalen:

Alright, although I don't think I will have an issue with x264 encoded content 1080p or less

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: oh, but you will

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wagnerrp:

these were dvd rips

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: really?

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wagnerrp:

improperly encoded, because i didnt know what i was doing at the time

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therealgalen:

Too many macroblocks?

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wagnerrp:

anything broadcast (over DVB), or get off an HDPVR should work fine

[03:18:59]

wagnerrp:

no, too many reference frames

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wagnerrp:

the decoder didnt have sufficient buffer to store all the reference frames

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wagnerrp:

so it crashed, and only displayed the last available frame

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therealgalen:

Does allocating more RAM for video purposes in the BIOS help?

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wagnerrp:

you used to want 512MB, but i think mythtv is happy with 256MB

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therealgalen:

I really appreciate this information... it really shapes my decisions here

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therealgalen:

Does VDPAU on higher end hardware have less issues with reference frames?

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wagnerrp:

there are three revisions of VDPAU compatible hardware

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wagnerrp:

its that revision that matters for decoding

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wagnerrp:

card performance only makes a difference for deint

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wagnerrp:

rev.1 is anything after G80 up to G96

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wagnerrp:

rev.2 is G98 (which is what the ION gear has)

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wagnerrp:

rev.3 is the GT2xx hardware

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wagnerrp:

rev.2 gets hardware entropy decoding of VC1

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wagnerrp:

rev.3 gets hardware decoding of divx, and some improved video scalers

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therealgalen:

would a rev 3 (VP4) card handle h.264 with a high number of reference frames?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

theyre all designed for L4.1, specifically bluray playback

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason to set the bar higher than that

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therealgalen:

what's the determining factor on being able to use advanced 2x deinterlacing?

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wagnerrp:

8600/9500/GT220 or above

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Dagmar:

Heaping piles of CPU

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Dagmar:

or that

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wagnerrp:

s/CPU/GPU/

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high-rez:

I don't understand the question of less issues with reference frames.. I don't have /any/ issues with references frames, I believe all hardware that supports VDPAU also supports upto 16 references frames as long as you have enough GPU RAM for it, no?

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wagnerrp:

well then perhaps it was some weird b-frame structure that decoder didnt like

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high-rez:

I'm using advanced 2x on my ionitx with 1080i h264 without a problem...

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therealgalen:

my concern is essentially eliminating the possibility that i will end up with h.264 1080p content that doesn't play properly

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therealgalen:

and also ensuring that I can use advanced 2x deinterlacing with mpeg-2 1080i (off air ATSC) can be employed

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high-rez:

Does progressive contenet actually need to be deinterlaced? :/

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: no, it does not

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therealgalen:

high-rez: I have a mix of content... 1080i MPEG-2 and 1080p H.264

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wagnerrp:

doing so would merely make the video look funky

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: you can do it because youre a DVB user

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Ahh, lower bit rate?

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wagnerrp:

the 9400M is right on the limit of pulling of adv2x at 1080i, so running 50fps instead of 60fps makes the difference

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therealgalen:

Ah!

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therealgalen:

This makes sense...

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therealgalen:

Hmm, I wonder if I could get a BIOS that lets me overclock the GPU ;)

[03:33:31]

high-rez:

I think most nvidia cards allow overclocking

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wagnerrp:

erm, no... youre in canada?

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[R]:

i think the newest ionitx bios have an option for it

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high-rez:

infact, I think the nvidia tool has builtin overclocking

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wagnerrp:

you should be running 60fps

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high-rez:

i fried a video card using that once. :)

[03:34:15]

high-rez:

whose that to?

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: what country are you in

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high-rez:

The US. I get a lot of overseas content though, so it could be the case that it was encoded with a lower frame rate. ;)

[03:35:46]

wagnerrp:

nevermind

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therealgalen:

I'm thinking for my absolute satisfaction, I really need a 9500 plus a system with a CPU fast enough to handle 1080p h.264 decoding in the event I have problems with VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

the ION only manages 33 fields/sec using spacial-temporal deint (advanced 2x)

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wagnerrp:

do you shouldnt be able to use it

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: where are you getting those stats?

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wagnerrp:

the 9500gt is needed, at 82 fields/sec on the same test

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therealgalen:

Is there any quality difference between VDPAU and software decoding?

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high-rez:

I don't know. I had to tune something, hack some buffer settings or something to get it to work right.

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wagnerrp:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136326

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ross:

you guys know criminally much about all this stuff

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therealgalen:

wagnerrp: yep, looking at a 9500 GT

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[R]:

i know some people like to use software for decoding the vdpau for the other stuff that needs to be done

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: The truth is, I haven't actually tried myth on my ionitx (i have it on a quad core proc not doing vdpau). I was able to get that performance using xine+vdpau on the ionitx, but I had to hack the .xine/config to configure some buffer settings before it would play without frame drops.

[03:41:36]

high-rez:

I just assumed the same would be true of myth. I should give it a try i suppose.

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therealgalen:

does mythtv support multi-threaded h.264 decoding of non-sliced h.264 content?

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[R]:

therealgalen: no

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wagnerrp:

not yet

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wagnerrp:

the next ffmpeg sync will probably bring that

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[R]:

the code has been written?

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[R]:

i thought it was still WIP

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therealgalen:

[R]: I use it daily

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wagnerrp:

it still is

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt expect it to make it in for 0.23, if there is a sync before then

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wagnerrp:

maybe for 0.24

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Dagmar:

Man this gets funnier by the minute

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Dagmar:

The firmware update tool from Seagate basically just told me to go screw myself because it wanted a Maxtor disk, not a Seagate one.

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therealgalen:

are there any comparative benchmarks between intel and amd cpus testing ffmpeg h.264 decoding?

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therealgalen:

Dagmar: call Seagate and beg nicely and they'll RMA your disk for a nice Seagate model if your Maxtor disk is causing problems

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[R]:

thread: what kind of h264

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wagnerrp:

he HAS a seagate disk

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wagnerrp:

its asking for a maxtor

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ross:

well go and buy a crappy maxtor then hehe

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Dagmar:

therealgalen: It's not a Maxtor disk. It's a _Seagate_ disk

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therealgalen:

Dagmar: apparently i am dyslexic

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wagnerrp:

lysdexic?

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ross:

isn t seagate and maxtor the same?

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ross:

exept the quality

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: I'll run that testing tool on my ion setup. Honestly, I'm able to do 1080i h264 with 60fps and no frame drops on it w/xine.

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Dagmar:

therealgalen: You couldn't possibly be any worse than the engineers at Maxtor

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Dagmar:

I will never buy another damn Seagate drive again

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therealgalen:

Dagmar: I am well aware of the Maxtor issues...

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Dagmar:

They blew it

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ross:

maxtor has engeniers??

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Dagmar:

ross: No one said they were good engineers

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therealgalen:

Well, reasonable facsimiles thereof...

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ross:

heh i stopped buying maxtor or seagate years ago

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Dagmar:

or literate

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therealgalen:

I had a batch of disks experience 110% failure over the first 2 years

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therealgalen:

Then I got Seagate to replace them with Seagates...

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Dagmar:

I am feeling a little betrayed here. I don't buy Maxtor ever because their disks are practically disposable

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ross:

thats longer them mine lasted

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ross:

2 month max

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high-rez:

Dagmar: Every drive company screws up at some point. Remember when IBM was top notch till they released the deathstas?

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Dagmar:

I know Seagate bouhgt them, but I'm astonished to see that apparently this disk was made the idiots in the Maxtor side of the house

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Dagmar:

...which explains why it's so retarded

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ross:

well maxtor was always bad

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Dagmar:

high-rez: Dude, Maxtor has _always_ been "special"

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: ive still got a couple maxtor 300GBs running, remnants from an array from 4-years ago

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Dagmar:

Year after year, Maxtor has managed to put out fatally flaky model after fatally flaky model

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ross:

yo have to turn the arrayu on to see it break

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high-rez:

Dagmar: I'll agree, I've always avoided maxtor. I think seagate is selling maxtor as its value line now?

[03:49:07]

Dagmar:

...and this has gone on since before 2000

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Dagmar:

high-rez: Rather obviously.

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high-rez:

Personally, I always try to use WD drives – or back in the day fujitsus when they had their "no execuses" policy.

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Dagmar:

This drive exhibits a typical Maxtor-style issue. It's SMART reporting data is horribly incorrect

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high-rez:

Fujitsu replaced a drive for me that I dropped down a flight of stairs. :)

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Dagmar:

It's reporting 1433 unrecoverable sectors, and, um, about a JILLION read errors

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ross:

sounds like a real maxtor

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Dagmar:

You can GOogle it up and see that it's a lame firmware issue, not an actual disk failure

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Dagmar:

I downloaded the bootable ISO firmware updater, and apparently it doesn't like, you know, *Seagate* disks.lol

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ross:

heh i wouldn t liek seagate either

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Dagmar:

I had to open the damn machine and rejumper the IDE bus to disable the WD IDE disk to even get this far

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Dagmar:

So now I guess I'm going to try letting Windows 7 do it

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therealgalen:

Does MythTV fallback from VDPAU to software h.264 decoding transparently?

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Dagmar:

If that fails, I have a spare Western DIgital green 500 I'm about to deploy in it's place with extreme prejudice

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wagnerrp:

therealgalen: only if vdpau outright cannot play that format

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wagnerrp:

if vdpau will make an attempt to play it, you will end up with garbage

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therealgalen:

does the use (or not) of vdpau affect GPU de-interlacing performance?

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high-rez:

But you can create playback profiles to say use gpu vs cpu based on different conditions..

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wagnerrp:

'unfortunately, to our great disappointment, black mesa will not make a 2009 release'

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wagnerrp:

well that sucks

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iamlindoro:

yeah :(

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iamlindoro:

Hopefully early in 2010, but all bets off now

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high-rez:

What's black mesa?

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wagnerrp:

www.blackmesasource.com

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wagnerrp:

ever play the original halflife?

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high-rez:

Oh yeah

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high-rez:

didn't valve release half-life 1 using the source engine but with the original crappy textures ?

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wagnerrp:

its a community-made rewrite

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high-rez:

neato

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ross:

black mesa is some hot shit

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ross:

hahaha

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ross:

thats good

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wagnerrp:

'half life source' was little more than a quick hackjob to get halflife 1 running

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iamlindoro:

ross, swearing free zone

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ross:

oh right i just quoted from teh blackmesa website

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wagnerrp:

BMS is a complete remake, using a modern engine

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high-rez:

Nice.

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high-rez:

I literally only turn on my windows machine when valve releases a new episode in the HL2 series.

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high-rez:

(which has been a real friggin long time)

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high-rez:

Close the door, put the wife on ignore, and play all the way through.

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wagnerrp:

completely remade new maps, textures, models, sounds, professional voice acting, etc...

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high-rez:

I never played the original, and when i got it with hl2, i only played a little bit but got annoyed because the textures were so bad.

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ross:

oh man your wife has a ignore button???

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high-rez:

ross: i have selective hearing. ;)

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ross:

haha

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wagnerrp:

those textures looked great in 1997

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ross:

i always thought women have 3 buttons

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high-rez:

I play a game once or twice a year. We have agreement that I get to play the games infrequently, but when I do, I get to concentrate on them fully...

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ross:

on ..sex...off

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therealgalen:

once again... does the use (or not) of VDPAU affect the deinterlacing performance?

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ross:

though tghe off button don t work half the time

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU deint is run on the GPU, non-VDPAU deint is done on the CPU

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wagnerrp:

theyre completely different deint filters

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high-rez:

i used to be a hardcore gamer, playing in a UT clan. Going from that (practicing 3+ hours a day with the clan, and then doing the regular matches) to playing a game, all the way through once or twice a year is a big change. So yeah, i get to ignore her 2 days out of the 365 ;)

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Dagmar:

*sigh* It's a star-studded night for fail here. Trying to mess with myth on ubuntu and ub9.10 just has NO idea what to do about multiple displays. Bleh

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high-rez:

in exchange for big big sacrifice, she only gets to ignore me 364 out of the 365 days/yr

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Dagmar:

That sounds about right

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high-rez:

last game i played with.. COD4: Modern Warfare.

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high-rez:

And HL2 EP2 before that.

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ross:

heh the only game i play since years is eve-online

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high-rez:

I could never go for the MMORPGs.

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ross:

eve-online is great it s not the wow grinding

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ross:

http://eve-online.com

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high-rez:

click clikc click click click click click click, oh hey there's a chick in the game! no wait, its a dude with a chick character, click click click click

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ross:

nah we actually have a lot of females playing eve

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ross:

and i mean real

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therealgalen:

Are there any good screenshots / demos of the various deinterlacing settings?

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high-rez:

"we have" – sounds like you're still playing ;)

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ross:

i do

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Dagmar:

WoW?

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Dagmar:

Oh eve

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Dagmar:

There's actually a lot of women playing WoW

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ross:

the eve players pride themselves to be mature and no wow kiddies

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high-rez:

i have yet to play a single mmorpg. and i'm kind of proud for that.

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ross:

heh i hated mmo's too but eve sucked me in in about 15 mintes

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Dagmar:

I have a job

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ross:

minutes

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Dagmar:

Eve is way too much work

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high-rez:

i always felt there was more skill in the online fps games. mind you, i haven't been one of the skilled peopl in an FPS since the UT days.

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Dagmar:

high-rez: This is why you get WoW and roll a hunter

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ross:

i admitt eve takes up a lot of time though

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Dagmar:

So you can get up and go to the bathroom during boss fights.

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high-rez:

i don't know what a roll hunter is :)

[04:07:11]

Dagmar:

Your toon keeps shooting, and your pet keeps biting.

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Dagmar:

If no one looks closely, they'll never even know. Hehe

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high-rez:

yeah see.

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ross:

so it s an autopilot game?

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high-rez:

sounds like an aimbot for an mmorpg

[04:07:59]

ross:

right hehe

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Dagmar:

No, I'm being a smartass actually

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Dagmar:

There's a joke that only hunters can go AFK during a fight

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Dagmar:

Your DPS output would drop by half if you did, well... a third.

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high-rez:

thats the other big reason i stoped playing games (besides the wife yelling at me) – people cheating. i can never tell whose really actually skilled and whose just using software.

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Dagmar:

...but at least there's no pressure to mash the buttons within 0.2ms

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ross:

well eve has real time skill training

[04:09:27]

ross:

no need for grinding lvl's

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ross:

well there s none actually

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Dagmar:

But there's serious differential calc involved in figuring out what to do with your resources

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ross:

eh?

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Dagmar:

THe trading?

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ross:

well

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high-rez:

There was one mmorpg type game that i tried back in the day that almost got me hooked. it was like a cross between an mmorpg and tye fighter – know which that is ?

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ross:

you can basically do whatever you want in eve

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Dagmar:

Sounds like you got mixed up in that abortion of a game, Star Wars Galaxies

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ross:

trader manufactue mining pirate ceo of a big corp /alliance

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high-rez:

Dagmar: Wasn't that.

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high-rez:

it wasn't star wars based at all. i kind of remember being able to fly around and shoot down others. before i could play online i had to finish the single player game

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Dagmar:

Hmm... No idea then

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high-rez:

It was circa... 2002?

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high-rez:

I think i was using a geforce3 at the time.

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ross:

to play online yuou have to beast the game??

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high-rez:

i think so.

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ross:

that game would have been gone as fast as it installed

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high-rez:

it ended up not being very popular at all but was real friggin cool. had like 9 cds.

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high-rez:

took forever to install

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high-rez:

that's about all i remember :)

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ross:

jeez

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ross:

sounds liek wing commander on steroids

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high-rez:

it had the concepts of trading and all that builtin

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ross:

wing commaner privateer??

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ross:

elite?

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ross:

wait elite was 80's

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high-rez:

like you'd dock at space stations, and you'd be playing first person game – walk to trading outposts etc. when you jumped back in your ship, it was like playing spaceship fighting game

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high-rez:

i'm pretty sure it was unrealted to any of the starwars stuff

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ross:

wing commander privateer

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ross:

http://privateer.sourceforge.net/

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high-rez:

no way, it was prettier than that

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high-rez:

anyways, oh well, i'm old married and not really getting to play games anymore.

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high-rez:

and if I do try, i'll be given a task

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ross:

maybe jumpgate?

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ross:

what about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_%28computer_game_series%29

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high-rez:

i think that was it

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wagnerrp:

the X games never came on more than 2 CDs

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high-rez:

no?

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ross:

i loved x

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wagnerrp:

unless you managed to buy a copy on those micro-cds or something

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high-rez:

my memory is clearly useless

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ross:

but jumpgate looks interesting

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** wagnerrp has several copies of X games on the shelf behind him **

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high-rez:

did the X games do online ?

[04:21:35]

wagnerrp:

never

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high-rez:

were they ever supposed to ?

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wagnerrp:

there was talk of it on the message boards

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if any real development ever went in

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ross:

if that game would have went online it would be teh best game ever

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wagnerrp:

it would be horrible

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high-rez:

I think my memory is just crap, and that the game in question was X2

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high-rez:

and thus all of the cool things about it being an mmorpg are completely wrong

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wagnerrp:

the X games were based on the fact that no one else in the universe actually advanced

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wagnerrp:

even in the later games, with the AI modules, i dont know of anyone who ever wrote real competing entities

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ross:

umm thre was a game that did that

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ross:

spore

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ross:

i believe the universe changed constantly

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ross:

wasn t the best game but had some good things in it

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wagnerrp:

and you kept having to fight EA to reinstall it

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bllzz:

I can't control the volume or mute function from within myth using my MCE USB remote. Everything else works. When i try to adjust the volume or to mute the sound, I see the appropriate overlay show up in the frontend (i.e. the volume slider) but there is no corresponding change in sound. I tried changing between PCM and Master in the sound options, but that doesn't work. What can I try next?

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high-rez:

Yeah, that sucks. I wanted to try spore but due to restricting the number of installs i said 'why bother?'

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ross:

you hooked up on hdmi??

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ross:

yeah i find it quiet rediculous what they did as copy protection

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ross:

thats why i stopped buying games

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high-rez:

That was a biggy for me too. Also ads in games. I liked the battlefield series, but the next one in the series had in game ads. Why would I pay for the game, host the server myself, and still be subjected to massive advertising ?

[04:31:20]

ross:

yup

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ross:

i hear ya

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ross:

same with the ps3

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high-rez:

between treating payinst customers like criminals, and trying to cram ads down my throat, the game companies lost me. especially EA.

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ross:

i agree

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high-rez:

I have a quiet personal boycott of EA going. Activision seems to be less evil.

[04:32:18]

Dagmar:

I really don't think I'll be buying another EA game, ever

[04:32:42]

Dagmar:

THey weren't amused with what I did to Sims3. NO sense of humor.

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ross:

well ea microsoft and ps3 are on my shitlist

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ross:

heh what you do to sims3

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iamlindoro:

ross, again, and last warning, swearing free zone

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Dagmar:

You know how they have a community site where you can upload "custom" sims and objects?

[04:33:36]

ross:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I seriously hacked up how the game works, and added a new video game in for the simpeople to play. World of Warcraft.

[04:33:59]

ross:

?

[04:34:07]

Dagmar:

...and I bundled that mod into the file it uploaded to their site.

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ross:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

Completely not something that was supposed to be able to happen

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high-rez:

i never really got into consoles, but i know that my brothers xbox360 was sent back twice due to hardware errors – on the third time he gave up.

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Dagmar:

They noticed it rather quickly tho. Hehe

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ross:

so teh sims where playing wow??

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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ross:

like just a simulation or really hooked up to the wow server

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Dagmar:

I recorded two videos. One of a successful Alliance raid, and one of a horde orc getting murdered repeatedly in PvP

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ross:

link?

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Dagmar:

When they play games it just shows a video on the screen

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Dagmar:

man I'm lucky they didn't file a suit lol

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ross:

meh

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ross:

you got a link to the vid?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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ross:

so where they actually playing on teh wow server

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Dagmar:

I had to use some tools I downloaded from strange places (yay antivir whitelist) to convert the videos to the proper format

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Dagmar:

No of course not

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ross:

aww now that would have been a great hack

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Dagmar:

...but the catch was I overwrote a default resource, so once you downloaded the thing, all computers had WoW as an option

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Dagmar:

...not just the one you downloaded

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Dagmar:

I was in a hurry

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ross:

so as soon as it went up everybody else got that option??

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Dagmar:

No, anyone who downloaded the custom skinned desktop computer I uploaded

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ross:

hahaha

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ross:

that is great

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Dagmar:

I was offended at the tackiness of it.

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ross:

you know instead of beeing mad about it they should have given yo some credit

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Dagmar:

THey have released no tools for actually creating anything new, and basically the only thing you can upload through the interface are objects you customized (which means you basically just repainted them)

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ross:

bah

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Dagmar:

...but if you want actual _new_ stuff, well all that can be bought for real money

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Dagmar:

So it's a bit like they decided to just take a bunch of stuff out to sell you a piece at a time later.

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ross:

of course

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Dagmar:

Not cool.

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ross:

well many ppl get mad when you do stuff that was not intended

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Dagmar:

Dragon Age *also* has an issue because of their influence

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Dagmar:

It's the first single-player game I've ever seen that will actually tell you to bugger off if you're not online

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ross:

i got banned from the coldfront irc for playing trivia with a bot that had no op rights

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ross:

well had no op rights till i got a hold of it

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ross:

owner wasn t happy

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ross:

anyways how did you manage to get into the recouce files fo the game

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Dagmar:

There's a few mod sites out there with utilities that will let you basically take almost every file in the game apart

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ross:

hmm nice

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Dagmar:

Lame as it sounds, if teenage boys play it, look for the nude patches first

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Dagmar:

WHere you find nudie patches, you'll find the modding tools used to make them

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Dagmar:

EVery time, every game.

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ross:

i gotta figure out how to change some db tables on a remote server using the client

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ross:

to activate some gm tools ingame

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Dagmar:

That's pretty sweet.

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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ross:

?

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wagnerrp:

hes in multiple channels, and spoke into the wrong one

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ross:

haha

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Cardoe_:

so any tips on how to get MythVideo to actually download metadata for stuff in Storage Groups?

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Cardoe_:

I've got Mythbuntu on the frontend and I have to manually download everything

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[R]:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

metadata downloads work on SGs just like they do with local folders

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wagnerrp:

0.22 got a new function in mythproto to allow writing to a file transfer socket

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wagnerrp:

note that all writing will be done to the root folder in the SG, you cant write to a subfolder

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Cardoe_:

wagnerrp: I'm just asking what makes it happen automatically

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Cardoe_:

I thought Mythbuntu had JAMU all setup

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wagnerrp:

'w'

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wagnerrp:

JAMU does nothing automatically

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wagnerrp:

new file scanning is still done in mythvideo

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Cardoe_:

I scan for new files

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wagnerrp:

interactive mode in JAMU will do metadata grabbing

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Cardoe_:

and then I need to manually say "download metadata"

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Cardoe_:

on each file

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wagnerrp:

but non-interactive mode will just pull new material for files with existing inetrefs

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wagnerrp:

'w' is a shortcut to the 'download metadata' entry in the menu

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Cardoe_:

so I need to manually go over each item and hit w

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Cardoe_:

no matter what

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Cardoe_:

what's the point of the JAMU cronjobs that Mythbuntu installs?

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wagnerrp:

the maintenance

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wagnerrp:

since tmdb and ttvdb are user-contributed websites

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wagnerrp:

files may be rather sparse when you initially grab them

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wagnerrp:

only to be filled in later

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wagnerrp:

the automatic operation of JAMU does that, scans the already-scanned files and updates any missing data

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wagnerrp:

the interactive operation of JAMU will do full searching of all files, prompting the user when there is a search with multiple results

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wagnerrp:

but its still only files already in the database

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Brad-D:

hey wagnerrp, i seem to keep getting these mysqld spikes

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Brad-D:

where it uses 40–50% of the cpu

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wagnerrp:

probably the scheduler

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Brad-D:

and my system seems to freeze up for a second or two. is this normal?

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Brad-D:

ahh got it

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Brad-D:

is there a way i can see what's happening? or make it schedule more slowly? ;)

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wagnerrp:

how many channels? how many schedules? what processor?

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Brad-D:

hmmm on the channels, i think i have around 300ish. probably 30 schedules, a 2.4ghz dual core

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wagnerrp:

scheduling should take well under a second

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Brad-D:

i wonder if it's something else, maybe i borked mysql somehow

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oobe:

Brad-D, try this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Perform . . . abase_Tweaks

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Brad-D:

thanks oobe, i will give that a shot

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oobe:

i never had probs that extreme but noticed improvements after try those tweaks

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Brad-D:

yeah i'm not sure what it is, but my whole sys seems to freeze up.. as an example sometimes i'm in emacs, and i try to save a doc, and it just sits there for 2–3 seconds. if i switch over to a console, and run a top, it seems to be mysqld chugging

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Brad-D:

will have to track it down :)

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oobe:

i hate it when somthing like that happens

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oobe:

its hard to track down

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Brad-D:

yeah not sure how i will do it. i think i will just start looking through log files and pray, lol

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oobe:

what distro are you using

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oobe:

reason i ask is i can give you configs that are known to work for ubuntu and slackware

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Brad-D:

i'm currently using Fedora

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Brad-D:

thanks for the offer though

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Brad-D:

on the upside, everytime i have a problem with linux or mythtv, i end up learning alot, as i dig through to figure it out

[06:17:58]

Brad-D:

this must be fate telling me i need to do more work ;)

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oobe:

dont matter that page should give you enough info to edit your existing my.cnf

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oobe:

mysqld use's a fair amount of cpu when im running mythfilldatabase

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Brad-D:

yeah i pasted that in and restarted mysql, hoping i will notice improvement

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oobe:

Brad-D, some of those values would already be set so you may need to find and comment out the old ones

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Brad-D:

hmm, i didn't see any of them in my /etc/my.cnf file. perhaps they are defined elsewhere?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... user on mailing list wanting to know how many *hours* of backup he should try to buy in a new UPS

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Brad-D:

haha

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[R]:

i was quite ocnfused by that one

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Brad-D:

well to be fair, when i went to Tigerdirect looking to buy a UPS, i was shocked that it was rated in minutes ;)

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wagnerrp:

think about it, your 1–2lb battery in your laptop lasts a couple hours on a 20W system

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wagnerrp:

and these UPSs are rated for 200–600W

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wagnerrp:

the comparison is fairly obvious

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Brad-D:

yeah it totally makes sense when i start looking into the products. I was just surprised, as I never had a UPS, before power outtages were driving my mythbackend server loopy

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[R]:

when i was in college i did it for a dept... and we had these big honkin UPSs

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wagnerrp:

giant several ton monsters, that would run a server room for the three minutes needed to bring the generators online

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Brad-D:

uh oh, i got a case of the segfaulties. this is what happens when i think i'm a coder

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Brad-D:

haha

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iamlindoro:

That's when you learn to read backtraces ;)

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Brad-D:

haha yeah i'm getting there

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Brad-D:

i think right now, i'm just doing stupid things with threads

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Brad-D:

and i'm not exiting a thread properly before i try to shut it down

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Brad-D:

it's still trying to read output from my mplayer output pipe, and my plugin goes boom

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Brad-D:

what are you up to these days iamlindoro? Still working on your internet video plugin?

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wagnerrp:

he posted an update to it on the ML about an hour ago

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iamlindoro:

yep

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Brad-D:

ahh nice! I will go check out the post

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therealgalen:

has anybody experimented with the gt220 versus other 8xxx and 9xxx cards with VDPAU?

[07:06:59]

therealgalen:

they report improvements to scalers and some other changes...

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wagnerrp:

man, these people on the mailing list and their UPSs

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[R]:

i don't belive in UPSs

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[R]:

i don't belive in backups

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[R]:

i've been fine for all these years

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe in the myth userbase

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[R]:

HAHA

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wagnerrp:

they are failing to meet expectations

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[R]:

i love these pawn shop reality shows they have

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[R]:

some really "colorful" people

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wagnerrp:

i cant believe they put those on the learning channel

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wagnerrp:

at this point, they may as well hire Hertzfeld to do commercials for them and be done with it

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wagnerrp:

hertzfeldt

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

well now there is 1 on history and one on trutv

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wagnerrp:

tuesday is coming, did you bring your coat?

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[R]:

it makes me so sad watching trutv

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[R]:

cuz its not in hd

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[R]:

coat?

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wagnerrp:

i live in a giant bucket

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wagnerrp:

you have to have seen Hertzfeldt's ads for the Family Learning Channel, right?

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[R]:

no

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wagnerrp:

thats terrible

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wagnerrp:

you need to do so now

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

youtube?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vedPhjjUfbQ

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[R]:

i dont get it

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wagnerrp:

its pure awesomeness, continue watching

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i still don't get it

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFCeJTEzNU

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iamlindoro:

Now THAT is pure awesome

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wagnerrp:

i dont see anyone on there tearing someones gut out and wearing it as a hat

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wagnerrp:

looks like the FCCs new plans for open cable includes satellite providers as well

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Dibblah:

I would doubt that "open" means what you hope it does :(

[08:47:04]

Dibblah:

I don't know why they can't just say "provide a damn CAM for whatever encryption you have".

[08:47:30]

Dibblah:

(Apart from the obvious security fallibility of CAMs, of course)

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wagnerrp:

well i can always hope...

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pgee:

hey all having a problem with ubuntu 9.10, new installation, mythfront end is complaining that pulse audio is running.

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wagnerrp:

pgee: so obviously your problem is that pulse audio is running

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wagnerrp:

theres plenty of information on the internet on how to take care of that

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justinh:

wuh, but then how will I be able to use my bluetooth enabled cochlear implant with miffyteevee?

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ivor:

meh. adverse weather. sigh.

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[09:07:46]

justinh:

ivor: yeah it's only good at the weekend ;-)

[09:08:00]

justinh:

and then only if you plan to stay at home

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justinh:

I joked the other day that everybody carping on about #uksnow on twitter is gonna be laughing on the other side of their faces when it melts #UKFlooding

[09:08:51]

justinh:

didn't go down well for some odd reason

[09:09:01]

ivor:

no sense of humour some people.

[09:09:28]

ivor:

3.5 hour commute last night. joy. christmas cheer etc.

[09:09:35]

justinh:

"but it's SNOW!". yeah, and what's snow made of? Nutters

[09:09:46]

justinh:

ivor: ouchy :-(

[09:11:01]

ivor:

useless transport system.

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pgee:

hi backend= ubuntu9.10 installed using synaptic package manager. frontend = mac os x 10.6.2 using snider release MythFrontend-release-0-22-fixes-20091220_Rev.22957.tar.bz2

[09:39:05]

pgee:

i get an error on mac,

[09:39:06]

justinh:

and?

[09:39:31]

justinh:

oooo descriptive!

[09:39:34]

tank-man:

pgee, try to use the same revision on both computers

[09:39:46]

pgee:

that the tv scheme is the wrong version, 1244 where 1247 on backend.

[09:40:03]

justinh:

all versions have to be the *same* across the system

[09:40:03]

pgee:

tank-man i get that, but where do i get that version for the mac ?

[09:40:25]

tank-man:

compile it ?

[09:40:42]

pgee:

tankman have you done that ?

[09:40:52]

tank-man:

not on mac osx

[09:41:17]

pgee:

me either ;-(

[09:41:41]

pgee:

i have searched web and couldn't find good instructions that i could reproduce.

[09:41:49]

ivor:

Instructions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X

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pgee:

ivor did you follow those successfully ?

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justinh:

who'd have thunk it – coivered in the wiki!

[09:42:46]

justinh:

pgee: I think if anybody had, or cared enough they'd have spoken up by now

[09:42:57]

ivor:

pgee: yup step by step and at the end you have a working mythfrontend.

[09:43:19]

justinh:

reading is awesome

[09:43:29]

justinh:

not the place btw ;-)

[09:43:41]

ivor:

justinh: to be honest I just skimmed, downloaded the .pl script read the comments and ran it.

[09:43:44]

ivor:

:)

[09:44:11]

pgee:

the .pl script didn't work for me

[09:44:18]

justinh:

yeah but you have this annoying tendency to know what you're doing ;)

[09:44:55]

justinh:

pgee: yet again with another very descriptive statement

[09:45:08]

ivor:

justinh: I was trying to find a use for a mac mini. at the moment it's just an attractive desk ornament.

[09:45:15]

pgee:

justinh doing again, will give exact error soon.

[09:45:16]

justinh:

define 'error' and 'didn't work' or nobody can possibly help

[09:45:47]

justinh:

"it no worky" is, funnily enough, no bloody use to anybody

[09:46:22]

pgee:

[osx-pkg] Failed system call: " /usr/bin/curl -f -L http://mysql.mirrors.pair.com/Downloads/MySQL . . . .0.85.tar.gz > mysql-5.0.85.tar.gz " with error code 22

[09:46:22]

pgee:

Died at osx-packager.pl line 720.

[09:47:06]

justinh:

missing curl eh. nasty

[09:47:07]

ivor:

probably means the .pl script hasn't been updated and versions of files it's trying to download aren't on the servers it's looking at

[09:47:16]

pgee:

no. i am not missing curl

[09:47:25]

justinh:

or what ivor said

[09:47:45]

ivor:

so you'll need to find locations with the versions of files its trying to download.

[09:48:21]

ivor:

you could probably update the version numbers to the ones that are on the servers it's looking at, but potentially that might mean that you have other compile failures you'd need to fix.

[09:50:03]

pgee:

ivor did you do the svn version or the trunk version ?

[09:50:36]

ivor:

although doing the latter is more helpful to others because then you can produce a patch file with the fixes and everyone's a winner.

[09:50:50]

ivor:

svn is trunk.

[09:51:54]

pgee:

what i mean is from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X : The easiest way to build MythTV from source is to download the packager script. Either http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . -packager.pl or http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/packaging/OSX . . . packager.pl. This script just needs XCode and an internet connection. It downloads and builds all the dependencies, and if you are lucky gives you several

[09:51:54]

pgee:

double-clickable applications.

[09:54:53]

ivor:

indeed. when I built a few weeks ago I did it from trunk to match my backend. if your backend is 0.22 then I guess you'd want to use the fixes script. if your backend is trunk, etc etc.

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pgee:

ivor, backend is on ubuntu. i just used synaptic to download.

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pgee:

the osx perl script seems to be failing trying to download mysql. why does it even need mysql for the frontend ?

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justinh:

needs the client libraries silly

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martin__:

anyone any good with Xorg configuration?

[09:58:27]

justinh:

yes thanks

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martin__:

got a problem on mythbuntu

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ivor:

pgee: check what version on mythtv your ubunty has installed then, and use the matching version for osx.

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martin__:

justinh, would you mind helping then|

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justinh:

yes I would

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ivor:

I just randomly change stuff until the pictures the right size actually.

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justinh:

sudo apt-get install nvidiablahblahblah & hey presto!

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martin__:

take that as a no then....

[10:00:31]

justinh:

just say what the problem is

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martin__:

I'm talking about creating valid modelines for a display that doesn't have an EDID

[10:00:38]

justinh:

don't ask to ask. it's annoying

[10:00:59]

ivor:

pgee: just read your backend log it'll tell you the version. and no /msg please.

[10:01:19]

martin__:

I keep getting no valid modes for "1920x1080@60" removing in the xorg log

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ivor:

martin__: find a tool that does it for you.

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justinh:

sounds like the display does have an EDID then

[10:01:38]

martin__:

done that... xtimings

[10:02:12]

martin__:

generated a modeline, added it to Device and Screen.... but stil not working

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wagnerrp:

its very likely that anything that does 1920x1080 will not have EDID data

[10:03:19]

ivor:

martin__: so get your log. pastebin it.

[10:03:26]

martin__:

ah, well that explains why it doesn't have one then... it's a brand new 27" HD ready one...

[10:03:33]

martin__:

k ivor...

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ivor:

wagnerrp: indeed. or it's only supplying PC mode EDID data.

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wagnerrp:

something 27" and 1920x1080 will likely only provide PC mode EDID data

[10:05:07]

wagnerrp:

considering it is very likely a PC monitor

[10:05:30]

justinh:

not that many monitors are actually 16:9 though

[10:05:38]

justinh:

*PC monitors I mean

[10:05:51]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre becoming common

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martin__:

wagnerrp, slip of the finger... 37

[10:06:20]

wagnerrp:

you see 22" and 23" 1080p monitors more often than 24" WUXGA screens these days

[10:06:52]

martin__:

http://pastebin.ca/1723499

[10:07:02]

martin__:

I'll post the xorg.conf too...

[10:07:19]

justinh:

heh. another linkedin invite about to expire

[10:07:38]

wagnerrp:

well theres your problem right there

[10:07:58]

wagnerrp:

besides EDID problems that you may or may not have

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martin__:

http://pastebin.ca/1723503

[10:08:08]

wagnerrp:

your video card is outright incapable of that resolution

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martin__:

is it|

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martin__:

??

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justinh:

doesn't appear to be, nop

[10:08:46]

martin__:

ah

[10:08:51]

martin__:

hmm

[10:08:54]

martin__:

ooo

[10:08:56]

martin__:

ah

[10:09:11]

martin__:

bugger

[10:09:13]

wagnerrp:

depends on the manufacturer

[10:09:22]

martin__:

sparkle i think

[10:09:34]

wagnerrp:

but those cards peaked out somewhere between 1024x768 and 1600x1200

[10:09:36]

justinh:

I have an fx5200 which'll do 1680x1050 or whatever

[10:09:46]

justinh:

maybe 1600x1050, I forget

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martin__:

it did do 1680x1050 at one point

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wagnerrp:

justinh: depended on the specific card, but none of them would do 1920x1200

[10:10:26]

martin__:

hmmm

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ivor:

time for a new card for christmas....

[10:10:52]

martin__:

it's 1920x1080 I want... is that the same... no chance?

[10:10:53]

justinh:

prolly a ram dependent thing

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justinh:

actually nah scratch that

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wagnerrp:

the AGP pickings are slim

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wagnerrp:

and PCI at 1080p is a bad idea

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martin__:

well... I've got a PCI-Express nice fancy one.. but this is a shuttle, with no PCI-E

[10:12:03]

justinh:

1080P is only 32MB per 32bit colour frame

[10:12:19]

justinh:

duh 64MB. where's my head at today ffs?

[10:12:19]

wagnerrp:

justinh: it was the TMDS transmitters

[10:12:29]

ivor:

time for a new machine for christmas...

[10:12:32]

justinh:

heh that'd explain it

[10:12:37]

sid3windr:

wheeeeeeeeeere's your heeeeeeeeead aaaaat!

[10:12:52]

martin__:

ivor... I'm trying.....

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martin__:

she's not going for it...

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justinh:

martin__: try harder :)

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wagnerrp:

martin: doesnt take much

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ivor:

buy a box of chocolates at the same time?

[10:13:17]

justinh:

if she want ten atey pees for xmas...

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wagnerrp:

existing guts +$150 gets you a nice new HD capable machine

[10:13:58]

justinh:

the machine which is eventually gonna become my new backend ran to only Â£150 or so

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martin__:

eh? shuttle XPC?? didn't know I could replace the insides

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justinh:

C2D, Nvidia 8400 ...

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wagnerrp:

you can probably shove a mini-itx board into a shuttle case

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wagnerrp:

thats sufficient for any ION system

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martin__:

wagnerrp, I don't think it'll fit... I've not had the shuttle board but I did stick a mini-itx next to it and it didn't look like it work fit...

[10:15:49]

wagnerrp:

real hardware at mini-itx is a bit more expensive

[10:16:01]

wagnerrp:

mini-itx? or micro-atx?

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martin__:

mini

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ivor:

pico.... :)

[10:16:31]

martin__:

nano would...

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martin__:

I was looking at the nvidia ion.... dual core intel atom

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wagnerrp:

im not sure if i could believe that

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martin__:

as it's vdpau capable... and I've got the ram....

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wagnerrp:

i mean mini is less than an inch wider than the IO panel itself

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wagnerrp:

and i know shuttles have expansion slots

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martin__:

it was the length and position of the heatsink...

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justinh:

a shuttle would make a very good brazier at this time of year

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justinh:

mmmmmm fire

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wagnerrp:

which is guaranteed to be considerably smaller than anything you have in there currently

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justinh:

wagnerrp: not to mention less ugly :)

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wagnerrp:

i mean the HS on an ION system

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you shouldnt have any problem getting an ION into a shuttle case

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martin__:

just found an agp 7300gt

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martin__:

that should do it right?

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wagnerrp:

toss that in there, it will do the job just fine

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justinh:

martin__: do you'll be banking on shoving 1920x1080x32x60 over the bus. hope it'll cope then

[10:23:45]

martin__:

me too....

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wagnerrp:

justinh: thats only 3gbps

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wagnerrp:

i think AGP 8x ran 2GBps

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justinh:

thought it was only PCI he was talking about

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justinh:

I'll get me coat

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a good idea

[10:24:45]

wagnerrp:

5:30am

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martin__:

do you know if the nvidia ion mini-itx atom boards are capable of running hd content (.mkv)

[10:25:11]

martin__:

may invest...

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wagnerrp:

'mkv' is not hd content

[10:25:54]

[Peter]_:

martin__: mkv is just a container format.

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wagnerrp:

of course you know that, because by and large, the only legal source of mkvs are the ones you create yourself

[10:27:53]

ivor:

HD home movies.

[10:28:08]

wagnerrp:

'ones you create yourself'

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wagnerrp:

martin__: anyway, theres plenty of information on VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

check the mythtv wiki

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

[10:30:02]

wagnerrp:

im going to bed

[10:34:51]

martin__:

thanks for the help guys (and girls?)

[10:36:02]

wagnerrp:

martin__: i just realized, the expansion slots on those shuttle systems are on the wrong side (at lease the one i looked at)

[10:36:22]

wagnerrp:

so while theres plenty of room for a mini-itx board

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wagnerrp:

the IO hole and mount points will be in the wrong place

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martin__:

thanks wagnerrp

[10:40:55]

martin__:

dammit... still getting the same error in the xorg log

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mchou:

martin__: you should just look into buying Western Digital Live player

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mchou:

martin__: blu-ray capable decoder of slightly over US$120

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mchou:

s/of/for/

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mchou:

around the size of your palm (or maybe just slightly larger)

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Dibblah:

Oh, wow. This paypal securid card is very, very funky.

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justinh:

they do them now too? I got one for my Smile bank account

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justinh:

bit of a PITA in that it's too big to carry around & sometimes I need to make payments online when I'm not at home

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Dibblah:

Exactly the same form factor as a normal credit card. With a 7 segment 8 character eink display.

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Dibblah:

And a press button.

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justinh:

ah this thing I have is the same width/length as a card but about 5mm thick

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justinh:

like a little calculator

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Dibblah:

Push the button – It slowly clears the display, then populates it with the current security code.

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Dibblah:

Nope. This is in fact thinner than some of my credit cards.

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justinh:

wow

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justinh:

sounds like what Smile should be using instead :)

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Dibblah:

It so is.

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sid3windr:

ok, where do I get one :D

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justinh:

the only problem with these security thingies is that banks have a tendency to claim they're infallible :-\

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justinh:

like chip & pin, they said

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justinh:

so when you get owned by a rogue card reader & they empty your account without your knowledge, according to the bank there's 'no way that could have happened unless you gave them your PIN'

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justinh:

and thus, they don't give you the money back

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Dibblah:

Securid has proven to be fallible – But it does require the attacker to have some significant time with your fob.

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Dibblah:

(>24 hours)

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justinh:

no doubt :)

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justinh:

won't stop banks being tw*ts though

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Dibblah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzIQRL7zOAM

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justinh:

trying to deny their responsibility/culpability

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Dibblah:

http://www.agm.me.uk/blog/uploaded_images/Pay . . . y-706729.jpg

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justinh:

already has me wondering how the hell ir works :)

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justinh:

s/ir/it

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sid3windr:

sexy

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justinh:

there's another snag with all this stuff too. Make too much of it necessary for day to day things & you up the stakes for thieves. Instead of mugging you for yer card/cash they're gonna start to need you to be present for erm.. longer. And cooperative. Such an optimist ;-)

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oobe:

please talk about this in #mythtv-offtopic

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justinh:

mmkay

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justinh:

somebody has to maintain the noise ratio of this channel

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oobe:

was joking lol

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oobe:

me so funny

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justinh:

I mean we can't leave it up to people's auto nick changes when they move their mouse :)

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oobe:

or me join parting on occasion

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oobe:

#mythtv-offtopic look

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justinh:

oof. snowing heavily at home again.

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justinh:

it was minus four this morning so the new stuff has a nice crispy base to lie on :-\

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ivor:

heh I thought -users was the offtopic channel.

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justinh:

maybe -offtopic is so off-topic it's actually ON topic :D

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oobe:

qwerty

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henrik__:

Has anyone been fooling around with mythweather=

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henrik__:

?

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henrik__:

My city is not a part of the included scripts in mythweather, it seems like only uk, us and au is included.. in the wiki I found Weather.com's Map Room (both static and animated images)

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henrik__:

this service have my city, and in the wiki it also says. "Files: maps.pl, animaps.pl, MapSearch.pm, maps.xml weathercommaps.pl (in dir above scripts/)"

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henrik__:

I can not find these scripts to put them in the scripts directory.

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henrik__:

anyone who can can help?

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justinh:

damn. gonna need a more sturdy mount for my rear view mirror :D

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justinh:

henrik__: just googled for one of the script names & found it no problem :)

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justinh:

I think you might need to have a word with your friendly local package provider

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Brad-D:

nice... i just fixed my case of the segfaulties

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Brad-D:

haha

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darkfrog:

I'm using the Hauppauge HD-PVR and it has worked fine until recently, now recorded video is pausing every second or so and the video gets garbled for a second before it clears up....anyone else experienced anything like this or know what might cause it?

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clever:

darkfrog: sounds like it might be loosing data, posibly from poor signal

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darkfrog:

clever: I don't think so...the video is clear and then gets garbled for a sec and is back to fine....I'm plugging in with component cables and if I watch tv directly from the cable box without going through myth it's crisp and perfect

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clever:

ah

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darkfrog:

this has happened before and then it just fixed itself (or I rebooted...don't remember) but nothing I do now seems to change it

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clever:

just remember, that digital will be 'crisp and perfect' even with poor signal, but once you go below a certain point it will instantly jump from 'crisp and perfect' to 'completely unwatchable'

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darkfrog:

tried unplugging the cable box, turning off the HD-PVR, etc.

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darkfrog:

clever: a valid point, but obviously in this case that's not what's happening since without going through Myth it looks fine

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clever:

another posible problem is not enough bandwidth between the hd-pvr and the system

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clever:

so myth itself is dropping whole frames of video

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darkfrog:

clever: maybe I should check the cables...

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clever:

i think its USB for the hd-pvr, so i'm guessing usb 1.0 could cause a problem

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darkfrog:

clever: it has worked until recently though

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darkfrog:

clever: and it's a new machine with USB 2.0

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clever:

all i can think of this is to read http://mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR

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darkfrog:

clever: did that already, but I'll go through it again...thanks anyway. :)

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clever:

i'm still stuck with a PVR-150 here

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clever:

ive only just started to get digital tv here

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darkfrog:

clever: I upgraded from a PVR-250....I'm probably going to build a myth box for my dad with it. :)

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justinh:

whee last hometime of the decade :-D

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yunosh:

hi. may prebuffering pauses be the cause for stuttering video even if it's *not* mentioned in the log? or do i have to search for other reasons then?

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martin__:

justinh, still having issues with my xorg.conf... you still around?

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martin__:

or any other xorg guru's?

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martin__:

noone?

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martin__:

:(

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martin__:

ok, well I'll ask the question anyway... I'm adding 1920x1080 into an Xorg conf... got the "correct" modeline, and added it, now I'm getting "no valid modes" in my xorg log

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Brad-D:

hey martin, i feel your pain. I just recently realized my 50" plasma is running at 1024*768, lol. haven't figured out how to fix it yet

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wagnerrp:

martin__: this is with the 7300?

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wagnerrp:

i looked at the old xorg.0.log pastebin again

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wagnerrp:

and noticed you were using analog

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wagnerrp:

any reason youre not using digital?

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wagnerrp:

the comments earlier about maximum resolution were about digital, the 5200 had a limited maximum digital resolution

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: is using a vga 15 pin adapter sub optimal? that's what i've always wired into my tv. My new board has an hdmi out. That would likely be better and easier to get 1920x1080?

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wagnerrp:

digital would absolutely be easier

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Brad-D:

would that mean i wouldn't have to deal with modelines? Or that is still a cross i have to bear? :)

[17:54:56]

wagnerrp:

you *can* deal with them

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wagnerrp:

but most people would just accept what EDID gives them

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Brad-D:

niiiiice. the modelines were giving me fits, as i couldn't find the proper specs in my tv manual to feed into those calculators

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Brad-D:

do you think it's likely that my onboard hdmi will just work out of the box? Or will i likely have to mess around quite a bit?

[17:56:33]

wagnerrp:

if youre using the manufacturer's drivers, it should just work

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Brad-D:

i can't believe i haven't tried this already

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wagnerrp:

any most, you may need to capture the EDID, strip out the 'additional capacity' block, and feed it to the drivers

[17:57:21]

wagnerrp:

in order to continue using analog audio with your tv

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Brad-D:

new christmas project!

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wagnerrp:

whould be all of 5 minutes

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martin__:

sorry... was on the other screen...

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martin__:

wagnerrp, because it's the only cable I have...

[18:04:53]

martin__:

and I'm snowed in!

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wagnerrp:

welll thats somewhat problematic

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wagnerrp:

order a new cable online, spend $5

[18:05:55]

wagnerrp:

be happy with whatever you have working now in the knowledge that when the post is once again available, it should 'just work'

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wagnerrp:

a 7300 should be able to do 1920x1080 digitally, but dont quote me on that

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martin__:

but.... but... but....

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wagnerrp:

check the card specs from the manufacturer

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KungFuJesus:

is mythbrowser awful, or am I just using it wrong?

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wagnerrp:

awful in what manner?

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martin__:

I'll take, how not to get help for 200....

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KungFuJesus:

can't type in several text fields because the keyboard keys are mapped to shortcuts, can't load most javascript related things, flash is a lost cause

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KungFuJesus:

is there a way to use this that I don't know about?

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wagnerrp:

javascript works, flash works, not sure what to tell you about the keyboard stuff

[18:12:41]

KungFuJesus:

I'll try it again and refresh my issues with it, but I remember having to switch it out for chrome. Which would be fine, of course, if there were a way to make escape kill it so I could browse happily with the remote

[18:13:01]

KungFuJesus:

but .22 I remember thinking that some stuff was even worse than .21

[18:13:39]

KungFuJesus:

some stuff improved, but something made it really unusable for me and made me think maybe I was using it wrong

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wagnerrp:

i should get flash player installed and actually try it out

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iamlindoro:

most of what is wrong with flash in mythbrowser is flash's fault, not mythbrowsers, but generally speaking it works just fine here

[18:14:37]

KungFuJesus:

flash isn't a TERRIBLY big issue, I mostly used it for my mythnews

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KungFuJesus:

believe me, I'd blame adobe before mythtv any day

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martin__:

well... I've now gone for the sledge hammer approach with modevalidation... I've ignored everything... now my tv says mode not supported...

[18:15:11]

martin__:

dammit...

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: to switch to hdmi, would i have to make any changes in xorg.conf? or everything should be done through the nvidia video preferences tool?

[18:16:03]

wagnerrp:

Brad-D: usually you just strip everything non-essential out of the Device and Screen sections, and let the card autodetect everything

[18:16:11]

Dabian:

Hi! I wonder and have two questions: 1. Is it possible to set the "videoscan" option to "progressive" permanently?

[18:16:36]

martin__:

yes

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KungFuJesus:

nvidia has an xorg option that's like HDTV1080p or something

[18:16:52]

Dabian:

martin__ : Do you know how?

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wagnerrp:

Dabian: you can turn deinterlacing off, but i dont know what you mean by set 'videoscan' to 'progressive'

[18:17:21]

KungFuJesus:

ah yes, "TVStandard"

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martin__:

I'm 90% sure I've done it on mine...

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KungFuJesus:

change it to HD1080p

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wagnerrp:

you dont control what type of video your provider gives you

[18:18:04]

Dabian:

wagnerrp : Well, when I start myth, the menu is blinking. So I chooose the menu, and select the "videoscan" option, and then I select "progressive", and the flickering stops!!

[18:18:35]

Dabian:

wagnerrp : When I start to watch TV, I mean. Not when I start Myth.

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iamlindoro:

that's because you are choosing the wrong deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

'bob' do that?

[18:18:58]

Dabian:

iamlindoro : How do I do that?

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martin__:

yeah I'm pretty sure theres an option in the playback configuration

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iamlindoro:

By editing your playback profiles not to use Bob

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Dabian:

Bob?

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iamlindoro:

and no, there is no permanent setting for progressive

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Dabian:

iamlindoro : But Bob can fix it for me?

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iamlindoro:

Bob is the deinterlacer you are currently using, which does not work in your setup

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Dabian:

Oh ok

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Dabian:

iamlindoro : So I goto setup and look for something like "deinterlacer" ?

[18:20:22]

iamlindoro:

You have a broken deinterlacer running, so instead of fixing that, by setting playback to progressive you just make deinterlacing not work at all-- which is bad

[18:20:33]

iamlindoro:

Dabian: You go to the wiki and read about playback profiles

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iamlindoro:

then you modify yours to use different deinterlacers

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Dabian:

iamlindoro : Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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martin__:

anyone got any recommendations on a timings calculator

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: should i strip out the monitor section in xorg.conf as well?

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Dabian:

Wow .. the wiki makes my browser crash, apparently! :)

[18:22:50]

** Dabian tries again. **

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wagnerrp:

Brad-D: if you have anything defined in there, yes

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SlackTv:

hello everyone.

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Dabian:

(This time it worked) :)

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Dabian:

iamlindoro : I think I am using CPU++

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't be

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iamlindoro:

almost nobody should be

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Dabian:

iamlindoro : Which one would you recommend?

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wagnerrp:

slim

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iamlindoro:

in fact, 99.99% of everyone should use Slim

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Dabian:

OK :)

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Brad-D:

hey iamlindoro, can you point me in the direction of what i would do, if i want to black out the screen for a mythtv plugin. Is that even possible?

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Dabian:

iamlindoro : Wow! That fixed the problem!

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Can you be more specific about what you are trying to do?

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iamlindoro:

Dabian: ;)

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wagnerrp:

display nothing? just render black to the screen?

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Brad-D:

basically i have my internet radio plugin, that i may leave on for hours at a time. so i just don't want to trash the screen with monitor burn-in

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: If just display a black screen, why not load a UI file with no required elements and just make it a black shape?

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iamlindoro:

oh, so you want to turn the screen off?

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Brad-D:

wagerrp: exactly

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to render black to the screen

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: i think either of those would work

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wagnerrp:

as you will just burn in black

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Brad-D:

ahhh i didn't know you could do that

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Brad-D:

lol

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wagnerrp:

its still displaying something

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sid3windr:

use dpms to turn it off ;)

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wagnerrp:

youll just make your screen dimmer overall

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Myth will already allow the screen to dim/turn off using the normal screensaaver stuff if the player isn't invoked

[18:28:20]

wagnerrp:

its not like a CRT where its only firing electrons when there is something on screen to display

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't need to do anything at all, since you're not invoking the video player

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iamlindoro:

as long as your Xorg screensaver is set up to dim/turn off the screen

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Brad-D:

iam: ahhh nice! the best solution, hehehe

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iamlindoro:

yup, the simple ones are often the best ones

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Brad-D:

so it's all based onthe xorg screensaver settings?

[18:29:15]

iamlindoro:

yup

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Brad-D:

excellent, thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

DPMS settings rather

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Brad-D:

now back to my HDMI war ;)

[18:29:30]

wagnerrp:

xorg has no screensaver

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SlackTv:

has anyone been able to complie mythfeed-1.1 for mythtv-22?

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wagnerrp:

it should work, considering its written for 0.22

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** iamlindoro throws up a little in his mouth **

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wagnerrp:

not liking the internet video player hacked on top of mythvideo?

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SlackTv:

I keep patching the files, feedutils.cpp error: storagegroup.h not such file.

[18:32:22]

SlackTv:

change #include "storagegroup.h" to #include "mythtv/storagegroup.h"

[18:32:44]

SlackTv:

and continues to compile.

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SlackTv:

and others files had to be changed too..

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Indeed not :)

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SlackTv:

but I keep getting the following make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../themedummy.c', needed by `themedummy.o'. Stop.

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iamlindoro:

Why do something right when you can do a search and replace on code, drop in a couple scripts, and ship it!

[18:34:22]

SlackTv:

has anyone had these problem?

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iamlindoro:

SlackTv: MythFeed isn't a supported plugin, and nobody that I am aware of uses it-- you'll likely need to get support from the author

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sphery:

SlackTv: sounds like you didn't do the required make distclean after the headers were changed

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iamlindoro:

Or just wait for the plugin that does it properly to come out

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sphery:

unless it's a separate 3rd-party plugin

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iamlindoro:

which it is

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[18:38:18]

sphery:

never heard of MythFeed

[18:38:58]

sphery:

surprises me--I never knew I should be feeding mine. After almost 6 years, it must be starving.

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SlackTv:

I know its a separate plugin and its not supported by mythtv, but I though I would give it try on these channel since it has to do with mythtv.

[18:39:33]

sphery:

I feel like I felt the day I learned about Pasteurized Processed Cheese Food--never fed my cheese before that day, either

[18:39:38]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i only found it a day or two ago, randomly stumbling on it on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

SlackTv: Well this would be the *official* myth support channel :) And like I said, not aware of any other person using it-- it's an enourmous, ugly hack

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wagnerrp:

cheese food product (oil and food coloring)

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SlackTv:

<sphery> you mention about make distclean

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wagnerrp:

SlackTv: that was assuming you were building within the mythplugins framework

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wagnerrp:

which you are not

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sphery:

SlackTv: I thought you were compiling the official plugins

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sphery:

I know they're working--I don't know about MythFeed

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SlackTv:

<iamlindoro> so since these is the official myth support channel I can't ask for anything that is not officially approved by myth?

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wagnerrp:

we only officially support official myth code

[18:43:04]

iamlindoro:

SlackTv: You can ask for anything you like, I'm just telling you that you're not likely to get it

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wagnerrp:

you can ask about 3rd party myth plugins

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wagnerrp:

but chances are, most people in here wont be running it

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SlackTv:

okay, well thanks for all your answers.. happy hollidays.

[18:43:52]

iamlindoro:

and telling you that what you are trying to compile is fundamentally broken, because I've actually looked at its code

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iamlindoro:

What's more, its sole purpose is to violate terms of service, and that *is* not allowed here

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SlackTv:

that would it been a better answer iamlindoror

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iamlindoro:

so... yeah, you can ask about 3rd party plugins, but IMHO, you can't ask about that one, since its purpose violates channel rules

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SlackTv:

one more question, how does it violate terms of service?

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iamlindoro:

By scraping the various sites in explicit violation of their terms of service

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SlackTv:

doesn't it do the same as if you where using a browser?

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iamlindoro:

no

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SlackTv:

well good to know.. thx

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iamlindoro:

It scrapes the sites to build the XML, that's a violation-- and in the case of at least one of the sources, it downloads the files that aren't allowed to be downloaded

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iamlindoro:

ah, the fun begins anew

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Nidhoegger:

ofdb search done, where can i submit my work?

[18:51:51]

iamlindoro:

in a ticket in trac

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Nidhoegger:

thx

[18:53:03]

Nidhoegger:

should i submit code or binarys?

[18:53:45]

Nidhoegger:

its written in freepascal, so most users wont have the compiler

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iamlindoro:

Yikes

[18:54:42]

iamlindoro:

To be honest, it's unlikely that I would apply a freepascal grabber, and a binary won't do

[18:55:13]

Nidhoegger:

i cant write scripts

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Nidhoegger:

so ive written a binary

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Nidhoegger:

its hell fast and it has an intelligent search implemented

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iamlindoro:

A binary is fine, but it needs to be compilable with standrad build tools

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iamlindoro:

er standard

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Nidhoegger:

ive found for every searchstring results

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iamlindoro:

You don't need to sell me on the functionality, it's the method that is problematc

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Nidhoegger:

i can provide a makefile, but FPC still must be installed (is in every repository)

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Nidhoegger:

;)

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, again, I just don't see us including freepascal code

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Nidhoegger:

okay

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iamlindoro:

You can host it yourself if you like and put a page in the wiki

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sid3windr:

pascal rocks.

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Nidhoegger:

sid3windr, iamlindoro is right, freepascal isn established like other languages

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sid3windr:

yes, I know

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sid3windr:

but I did a lot of pascal... ah the memories ;)

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kormoc:

YABL?

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iamlindoro:

Yet another broken link?

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kormoc:

Yet Another Bindings Language?

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iamlindoro:

Yike, I should hope not

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iamlindoro:

er yikes

[19:05:18]

iamlindoro:

MythVideo grabber

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kormoc:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

Which is equally unappliable :)

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iamlindoro:

I imagine his feelings are hurt...

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kormoc:

Aww... Poor feelings...

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iamlindoro:

I feel bad, but at some point it had to occur to him that writing a grabber in freepascal *might* hurt its chances of inclusion...

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mattish:

good evening all, just wondering if anyone has played with the cx23885/cx23417 based pci-e cards and composite capture ?

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squish103:

if i bought a new samsung tv that has dlna, will it work with mytv? ie is mythtv a dlna server?

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GreyFoxx:

not a full one no

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is a uPnP server, and most DLNA devices are generally uPnP under the hood

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iamlindoro:

which means there's a chance, but it's definitely not a sure thing

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GreyFoxx:

you will not have access to livetv, it will not do transcoding/profiles

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GreyFoxx:

personally I would by a TV and an ion board in a vesa case mounted to the back

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GreyFoxx:

s/by/buy

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GreyFoxx:

You cannot replace myth with !myth

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Dagmar:

Is mythtv any good at editing music?

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high-rez:

I agree with greyfoxx there, i have an ionitx in an m350 case that I think is the best thing in the world :)

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Dagmar:

Can mythtv watch black and white tv too

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Dagmar:

is mythtv able to make julienne fries?

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high-rez:

I actually really wish there was spome upnp provision for livetv. There are so many cheap upnp devices these days – if myth could be a backenfd for them, it would kick-butt.

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iamlindoro:

liveTV in uPnP is totally possible

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iamlindoro:

Someone just needs to write the support into the server

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high-rez:

The protocol actually supports livetv? I always thought it was a protocol limitation.

[19:26:45]

iamlindoro:

The protocol is totally agnostic to whether it's liveTV

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squish103:

does anyone actually use mythtv to watch live tv? (or is liveTV something else?)

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iamlindoro:

Just as liveTV is just a file to myth, so it is to uPnP

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high-rez:

Erm, but things like changing the livetv channel from the upnp client...

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iamlindoro:

Are also doable since uPnp supports serving an interface

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high-rez:

Interesting. So in theory one could have a ps3 frontend that enables most of the myth frontend functionality (commercial skipping aside).

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iamlindoro:

commercial skipping is doable too...

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high-rez:

It'd all have to be done on the backend though, no? E.g. the backend would just stop the stream at the point the commercial starts – and tape in the stream where it stops?

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iamlindoro:

correct, which is just what it does for a proper myth frontend

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gpd:

can anyone help with SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) issue?

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gpd:

hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #3 (error -22)

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high-rez:

Have you found that upnp devices generally support presenting an interface? When you say presenting an interface – is this an overlay defined in some upnp xml?

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Brad-D:

hey iamlindoro, is it possible that somehow a 1080i tv's native resolution is 1024*768? I plugged my onboard hdmi into the tv, and that's what it keeps telling me

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iamlindoro:

Most decent uPnP devices should support a served interface fine

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Is it a *realy* 1080i TV? There are precious few of them... what TV?

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iamlindoro:

ie, a CRT HDTV?

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high-rez:

My upnp experience is limited to the popcorn hour, and ps3. The popcorn hour had issues with myth – which they claimed was really a myth bug, and the ps3 would crap out if there was any corruption in the stream.

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: The popcornhour issue likely *was* a myth bug, there have been numerous fixes to make it work, all of which should be in .22

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: hmmmm perhaps it isn't a 1080i tv. I bought a 50" LG plasma

[19:33:23]

iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Many plasmas have native 1024x768, yes

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Brad-D:

ahhhh hmmm, i got suckered in the store!

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squish103:

i have a uPnp client Dlink 320 and it is such a b1tch to get to work with a uPnp server. I know GreyFoxx has one working, but I have no idea how to transcode to the supported res

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clever:

its probly down-scaling the 1080 to 768

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clever:

it can handle a 1080 signal, but not actualy display it

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high-rez:

Was your display cheap? Its' getting the resolution from the edid info?

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Brad-D:

high-rez: it was 2500 about 2 1/2 years ago, and yes it's getting the resolution from edid info

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: What model?

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Brad-D:

clever: ahh i see, so my best bet is to just run it in 1024*768?

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high-rez:

My display sends back all the correct info, but I've seen others that send back bad info (one is the Sun 22" display I had – surprising but the edid info was bvrap fronm it)(

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: one sec let me go grab the manual

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clever:

Brad-D: probly

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devinheitmueller:

WTF: http://mythtv.org/wiki?title=Hauppauge_HVR-16 . . . ;oldid=42234

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Brad-D:

LG Plasma 50PC3D

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: google says 1366 x 76

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iamlindoro:

er 768

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iamlindoro:

Which is a common panel resolution as well

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high-rez:

Theres a lot of complaints on forums about thsi one not being able to do > 1024x768

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high-rez:

Have you tried feeding it 720p ?

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high-rez:

Brad-D: how are you driving it? VGA or DVI ?

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Brad-D:

high-rez: sorry, silly question. how would i go about feeding it 720p?

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kormoc:

devinheitmueller: welcome to the class of user we have?

[19:39:06]

Brad-D:

i was driving it with 1024 with a vga cable

[19:39:22]

Brad-D:

but iamlindoro's nice themes get cut off on me sometimes, so i wanted to go to his supported resolution

[19:39:30]

Brad-D:

so i started playing around with hdmi out

[19:39:36]

Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: So revert his looney edit, and ask the guy who made it to actually cite something posted somewhere before he puts it back

[19:39:54]

devinheitmueller:

kormoc: annoying. No sources cited, and I've seen nothing about this on ivtv-users, #linuxtv, #v4l, linux-media, or video4linux.

[19:40:12]

high-rez:

Brad-D: One forum post I sawsaid it it won't do > 1024x768 unless you use a DVI cable.... My toshiba will only do 1024x768 on a VGA cable too, but the moment I used a DVI<->HDMI cable I had no problem.

[19:40:19]

Dagmar:

I know of zero reasons why it should fail based on the rather common type of PCI

[19:40:40]

devinheitmueller:

I can double check with Andy, but it totally seems like this guy is talking out of his ass.

[19:41:11]

kormoc:

"It doesn't work on my computer, so it *has* to be the pci version, not because I spilled beer on the card and let it sit for a month"

[19:41:23]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure he is

[19:41:27]

Brad-D:

high-rez: thanks. so what resolution are you running with your hdmi cable?

[19:41:27]

And4713:

wha...oh

[19:41:29]

And4713:

not me

[19:41:48]

Dagmar:

The main differences between PCI 2.1 and 3.0 are all electrical

[19:41:49]

high-rez:

Brad-D: 1920x1080

[19:42:03]

devinheitmueller:

And4713: yeah, sorry about that. I meant Andy Walls.

[19:42:04]

high-rez:

Brad-D: But it's 1080p display.

[19:42:18]

And4713:

nono its cool

[19:42:19]

kormoc:

It doesn't have enough of those spiny things to go out and seek signals!

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kormoc:

Electro-ma-what-now?

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And4713:

devinheitmueller, its not your fault one of my highlights is somewhat generic

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high-rez:

Brad-D: Are you using an nvidia video card?

[19:43:40]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Sea Anenomes?

[19:43:46]

Brad-D:

an onboard 9300

[19:44:45]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: Sounds like a scyfy movie, Electro Sea Anenomes from SPPPAAACCCCEEEEE

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high-rez:

Brad-D: And with hdmi it's detecting 1024x768 ?

[19:45:07]

Brad-D:

high-rez: yeah

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Brad-D:

detecting it as my "native resolution"

[19:45:36]

devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: reverted. thanks.

[19:45:46]

Brad-D:

i have the option of selecting 1920xwhatever, but it flickers like crazy, and i have to overscan it alot to see the whole screen

[19:45:52]

Dagmar:

Like the only reason it would fail is if the board didn't supply 3.3v rails, and the card requires it

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high-rez:

Brad-D: Interesting. Well, I'd set useedid to false, and try to drive it at 720p...

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Brad-D:

high-rez: thanks i'll give it a shot. and to do that I manually edit the xorg.conf file?

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high-rez:

Brad-D: Yep... Just have to google it, I don't think you'll need to set a modeline – I think the nvidia driver has some baked configs for 720p. But I don't really remember off the top of my head how to force that.

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mattish:

can anyone recommend a pci-e card with hardware mpeg encoder for composite capture

[19:56:26]

mattish:

i stupidly bought a hvr1700 to find 'composite input' is not a priority in the driver :(

[19:56:36]

mattish:

and doesnt seem to work

[19:58:13]

mattish:

the hvr17000 is based on cx23885 and cx23417

[19:58:55]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: patches are always welcome. :-)

[19:59:21]

mattish:

I would love to get this working, and as this is for work may well put some time into it

[19:59:46]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: if it is really for work, KernelLabs can almost certainly help for a very reasonable price.

[20:01:28]

mattish:

thanks, i may well look into that, the drivers dont even bother making the /dev/video but if i force the cx23885 driver to the hvr1800 card type i do and do see some input

[20:01:31]

mattish:

just a bit messy

[20:01:32]

mattish:

:(

[20:02:03]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: in most cases, when the chipset already provides analog, getting it to work with new boards isn't too much work.

[20:02:23]

devinheitmueller:

Correct, if the analog is not supported in the board profile, then it will not create the /dev/videoX entries.

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gothenburg:

hi

[20:04:03]

gothenburg:

is there any default password? :o

[20:04:29]

mattwynne:

hi folks, I have jerky DVD playback using the 'Internal' player in mythvideo. Is there any alternative to switching out to mplayer (which works more smoothly)? I'd like to use the Internal player if possible.

[20:05:03]

mattwynne:

like, for example would updating my DVD drive (which is a few years old) help?

[20:08:11]

mattish:

thanks for your replies devinheitmueller, are there any known to work pci-e cards with hardware analog capture ?

[20:09:05]

devinheitmueller:

There are some, but many of them have spotty support if your target application is really mythtv (assuming you want DVB-T as well)

[20:09:12]

devinheitmueller:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCIe_Cards

[20:10:12]

devinheitmueller:

In most cases, somebody just has to care enough to do the work. We (the devs at KernelLabs) just never got around to it because no commercial parties really expressed an interest in seeing analog work.

[20:10:34]

devinheitmueller:

... and with limited time/resources, we have to focus our energies on things customers are willing to pay for.

[20:11:08]

devinheitmueller:

The actual amount of work required to get the HVR-1700 analog support working isn't particularly large.

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mattish:

excellent :) whats best way to get in touch if needed ?

[20:13:33]

devinheitmueller:

You can email me at dheitmueller [at] kernellabs.com.

[20:13:37]

mattish:

thankyou sir :)

[20:13:44]

devinheitmueller:

No problem.

[20:13:49]

CyberKnet:

devin: Is the same true of HVR-2250 analog?

[20:13:57]

devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: No, the HVR-2250 analog is a mess.

[20:14:07]

CyberKnet:

devin: rats ;)

[20:14:22]

devinheitmueller:

The saa7164 chipset has no analog support at all, and will take several hundred hours of work to implement (even with the specs)

[20:14:42]

CyberKnet:

wow. That would be a really large sponsorship.

[20:14:45]

devinheitmueller:

In the HVR-1700's case, it's probably ten or twenty hours of work to add the board profile and do the appropriate testing.

[20:14:54]

devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: Yeah, that's why it hasn't been done yet.

[20:15:24]

CyberKnet:

devin: about a K$10–20 project then...

[20:15:31]

devinheitmueller:

It's one of those cases where it's not reasonable for the community to throw a thousand bucks worth of donations at it, and then have Steven do it for $0.10 an hour.

[20:15:42]

devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: yeah, it's on that order.

[20:16:11]

CyberKnet:

devinheitmueller: Yeah, I would think in the realms of $50-$60 an hour minimum.

[20:17:07]

CyberKnet:

Well, perhaps we'll all get rich, and we can sponsor the project for a reasonable rate ;)

[20:17:08]

devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: It probably wouldn't be appropriate for me to quote any rates at this time. But yeah, KernelLabs consulting services are reasonable given the complexity and specialization of the work, but certainly not cheap.

[20:17:22]

CyberKnet:

devinheitmueller: My bad, I wasn't intending to get a quote.

[20:17:29]

CyberKnet:

devinheitmueller: just thinking about the scale

[20:17:32]

devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: Yeah, I understand.

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mattish:

its annoying as i can see picture from my external sat box on the analog input :( lol

[20:18:00]

mattish:

soo close but so far

[20:18:15]

mattish:

its just green and wiggly lol

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: You mean with the HVR-1800? Yeah, the boards are similar so it doesn't surprise me that you are seeing *something*.

[20:18:50]

mattish:

:)

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CyberKnet:

devinheitmueller: thanks, I appreciate your candor.

[20:18:57]

devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: np.

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: out of curiosity, you want to post a screenshot? I'm just curious how far off it is.

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mattish:

one mo ill fire it up

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Dabian:

OK .. my other question is related to xmltv. I have set up my channels with the grabber of my choice, and it works great, except I found out the Frequency table I used as a reference was phoney, in the sense that 2–3 channels doesn't exist, and there is different channels on those frequencies. How do I change that, without starting over?

[20:25:20]

martin__:

ok... so I'm finally getting somewhere with my tv... I've now got 1280x720... which I'm assuming is 720p?

[20:25:38]

Dabian:

martin__ : Congratulations!

[20:26:27]

martin__:

now all I need to do is get the settings for the tv to display 1920x1080 which I'm assuming is 1080p? (or ten atey peas as I've heard it referred to as)

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mattish:

devinheitmueller, http://mjleonard.myby.co.uk/pictures/capture.jpeg

[20:26:43]

** devinheitmueller looks **

[20:27:03]

CyberKnet:

* So does everyone else

[20:27:07]

Dagmar:

You could always try Googling instead of just staying confused about the simpllest of terms

[20:27:11]

mattish:

i dont mind :)

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: is this taken using /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 ?

[20:27:22]

mattish:

mmm vid0 i think

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mattish:

*checks

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martin__:

I've got the graphics card to output whatever I send it... but my tv doesn't want to accept the modeline I created...

[20:28:07]

mattish:

yes its defaulted to video0

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GreyFoxx:

anyone here ever use the resize2fs tool for resizing a partition ?

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martin__:

Dagmar, but then who would laugh it me if I ended up being wrong...

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: I want to say I did...

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: I think I did a while back on an ext3 partition...

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: Yeah, I've got a pretty good idea what that is.

[20:28:55]

mattish:

all the 'videosource' options are 'unset' on video1

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GreyFoxx:

I've got to grow an ext2 partition by a coupe hundred gigs, but I've never don't it on an ext2 before

[20:29:06]

Dagmar:

Yeah why take a chance on being wrong when you can just be certain of it.

[20:29:14]

martin__:

so is anyone good with modelines, or know of some tools to create one that works?

[20:29:17]

GreyFoxx:

so I'm curious how long it will take

[20:29:29]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: video1 is the raw analog, so I was just checking whether you were looking at the raw stream or the mpeg stream.

[20:29:31]

Dagmar:

MartinCleaver: It's documented heavily on the wiki

[20:29:36]

Dagmar:

@#R$@@

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Dagmar:

s/MartinCleaver/martin____/;

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mattish:

so video1 is watching the hardware encoded stream ?

[20:29:54]

mattish:

correction video0

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martin__:

dagmar... I've been reading the wiki, and i'm still confused...

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: correct. video0 is MPEG, video1 is raw.

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MartinCleaver:

;)

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mattish:

so the hvr1800 analog works i guess ? as the profile creates the /dev/videoX ?

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devinheitmueller:

There are known issues with the HVR-1800 too which are similar. It's a general problem with tuners that use cx23885/cx23417 and MythTV.

[20:33:12]

devinheitmueller:

(in fact, it may be the same issue)

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GreyFoxx:

I suppose if it's fast I could convert it from ext2 to ext3 and resize that online

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martin__:

i've got an ongoing issue with the hvr-1300

[20:34:02]

devinheitmueller:

It's one of those cases where the board works under Linux in general, but MythTV issues the v4l2 commands in an unusual order which causes the decoder to get confused.

[20:34:36]

martin__:

mine seems to have a permissions error after every couple of reboots...

[20:34:49]

** CyberKnet wonders if the solution is to fix the driver, or change the order the mythtv commands are issued **

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mattish:

that snapshot was just from xawtv, as im testing the card under a standard debian lenny install before i bother going any further

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devinheitmueller:

CyberKnet: most likely the driver should be fixed. It should handle the case in question – it is just one of those cases where MythTV wasn't used for testing so that app exposed the bug.

[20:35:24]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: Ah, ok.

[20:35:41]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: really? That's with xawtv? hmmm....

[20:36:00]

mattish:

sorry i should have said that to start :( it didnt work under myth so i whacked the card in my desktop box for testing

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: yeah, generally it makes sense to first test with a simpler app before trying to get it to work with myth.

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: which version of xawtv?

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mattish:

packaged deb lenny ( xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1 )

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, that's what I figured.

[20:38:00]

devinheitmueller:

mattish: Yeah, if you want to see that working, definitely contact me offline. I can almost certainly fix that without too much trouble.

[20:38:25]

mattish:

you could well see an email from me soon, thanks for your time.

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devinheitmueller:

mattish: np

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noclue:

what's my best bet for an HDTV tuner atm? preferably dual tuners.

[20:42:37]

noclue:

the HVR-2250 is nice, but linux support is apparently flaky at best.

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martin__:

anyone know an easy way to restart X from an ssh session

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devinheitmueller:

noclue: the 2250 should be pretty solid for ATSC/QAM, but there is no analog support coming anytime soon.

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noclue:

devinheitmueller: so that would mean the hardware MPEG encoder is quite superfluous?

[20:50:41]

devinheitmueller:

noclue: at this point, yes.

[20:51:13]

devinheitmueller:

The driver currently does not contain any analog support, either through the MPEG encoder or via raw video.

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martin__:

who's the daddy!!!!!

[20:51:44]

martin__:

720p and 1080p... it looks sooooooooooooooo good....

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noclue:

do you have any opinion about the 2250 vs the HDHomeRun?

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devinheitmueller:

noclue: I have no opinion.

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noclue:

devinheitmueller: thanks much.

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martin__:

wagnerrp, justinh, thanks for the help... it now works...

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GreyFoxx:

slackware-13.0-iso

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GreyFoxx:

1389.9 / 3738.9 MB Rate: 17.2 / 5256.7 KB Uploaded: 4.3 MB [33%

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GreyFoxx:

man....now that is sweet

[20:54:15]

GreyFoxx:

any download that is over 50megabit to the open net makes me smile :)

[20:54:44]

martin__:

for me it's 1080p, but each to their own..

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martin__:

i'm so happy....

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gpd:

should I be able to login via mysql -umythtv -p[pw in /etc/mysql.txt] ?

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martin__:

gpd, I've done it, but I had to connect to the external ip if I remember correctly

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gpd:

martin__: that is what i am starting to conclude – thanks

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martin__:

yay.... I got soemthing right!

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martin__:

I'm on a role

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martin__:

*something *roll

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warfare:

Hi

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warfare:

I have a strange problem with the backend on Ubuntu 9.10 and the frontend on MacOSX 10.6 (both 0.22-fixes). When opening recorded programs, the frontend stalls. Last message from backend is "MythSocket(9ed9490:48): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (804 errors)", last message from frontend "MythSocket(183e980:24): readBlock(0x393116952, 657552) called"

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warfare:

Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.

[21:14:40]

warfare:

0.21 was fine before.

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martin__:

dammit vdpau doesn't work on AGP....

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iamlindoro:

It's not AGP that prevents it from working, it's that there are no VDPAU-capable cards in AGP form factor

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noclue:

okay, i apologize if this seems like a stupid question, but is it not possible to record/view HD content from my providers STB via a tuner card and mythtv?

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lyricnz:

noclue: well, with a stb, it's already done the tuning/decoding, so short answer is "no"

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noclue:

most cards i've seen only do QAM

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lyricnz:

noclue: however, if they provide a composite output, and your capture card has such an input, you may be able to do it that way

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iamlindoro:

noclue: Not a card, but a USB device, yes

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iamlindoro:

and no, a composite output would be SD by definition

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noclue:

lyricnz: in that case couldn't a standard video display card with compsite input do the same thing?

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iamlindoro:

noclue: The Hauppauge HD-PVR is a component video capture device which will allow you to capture all your subscribed channels, in their original resolution, from the set top box

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

again, composite = SD

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noclue:

ah, right

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iamlindoro:

The one and only option for the above described use case is the Hauppauge HD-PVR, which Myth .22 supports.

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iamlindoro:

which utilizes the *component* outputs of your set top box

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noclue:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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warfare:

Nobody an idea regarding my problem?

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syamajala:

hi

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syamajala:

i installed mythbuntu on my system

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syamajala:

i'm trying to figure out how to get composite in to work

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[R]:

composite in?

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syamajala:

i have an ati tv tuner

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iamlindoro:

going to have to be a lot more specific about your tuner

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iamlindoro:

and relatively few ATI TV tuners, especially analog ones, work in linux

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syamajala:

this one works with

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syamajala:

bttv

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wagnerrp:

when you add the card, mythtv will enumerate the inputs

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wagnerrp:

you have to bind a source to the specific input you want

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, the card is defined in step 2, and the input is bound in step 4

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[R]:

wtf... i patched my libmythtv.so 2 days ago... the patch was working... and now all of a sudden its like the patch isn't there anymore... except the .so file is correct

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[R]:

oh wtf

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afm:

evening all

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[R]:

somethinhg changed the symbolic links

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afm:

running fc12 and mythtv 0.22 w/ hauppauge 1212 hdpvr. I'm getting "MtyhTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings" can't seem to find anything wrong or anything in my logs"

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wagnerrp:

afm: generally means you havent set up your capture device properly

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wagnerrp:

or the capture device is no longer available, possibly because it has changed to a different dev node

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afm:

hmmm not that many options.

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wagnerrp:

by not properly, i mean you have not completed setup

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[R]:

afm: your not seeing any errors when the backend starts?

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afm:

ah now i have a few errors.....heh interesting

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afm:

failed to bind to port 3306

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afm:

db issues i guess

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[R]:

the backend shoudn't be tyrying to bind to 3306...

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Dagmar:

Major misconfiguration

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afm:

i saw that last night....whats the option supposed to be? swore i looked like a postgres port

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wagnerrp:

mythtv defaults to using port 6543

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wagnerrp:

you will ONLY see a database configuration dialog if you fail to connect to the database

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Dagmar:

Did postgres become a supported open?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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iamlindoro:

no

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Dagmar:

s/open/option/;

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Dagmar:

That's what I thought

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afm:

master or local port?

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iamlindoro:

and in this case, someone put the DB server port in as the Myth server port

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wagnerrp:

both

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wagnerrp:

set to 6543

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afm:

thank you very much...bet this does the trick

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: funny, i actually read that as 'option'

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Dagmar:

You may be as worn down by the holdays as I am

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Dagmar:

Be wary of that.

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Dagmar:

I'm about ready to start killing people.

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wagnerrp:

was out braving the roads for several hours today

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winther:

Hi

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winther:

I am trying to setup mythtv and add a tv tuner. If I click on "new tv card" (translated, so it might be somewhat different) I get a blank screen in this nice mind green

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winther:

any sugestions on what the problem might be?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Are you using MythBuntu>?

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winther:

no, i compiled tha 0.22 version on lenny 32bit

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wagnerrp:

so youre in mythtv-setup, second option

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wagnerrp:

you click on the top item to add a tuner

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winther:

yes

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winther:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and the following screen is blank?

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winther:

yes ;)

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Dagmar:

...and a different color?

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wagnerrp:

funky

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winther:

no, it is allways a mint green background

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wagnerrp:

try flushing your theme cache

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wagnerrp:

maybe something got screwed up, and its not regenerating

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winther:

ok, how do I do that?

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wagnerrp:

rm -r ~/.mythtv/themecache

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Dagmar:

Ah well, either way, I'd say chuck those binaries into /dev/null and try again with 0.22-fixes

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wagnerrp:

wait, are you running the release tarball? or 0.22-fixes off subversion?

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winther:

wagnerrp: I run the official tarball 0.22 from the website

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wagnerrp:

yeah, drop that and grab -fixes

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wagnerrp:

instructions on http://svn.mythtv.org/

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winther:

i will try that. Thanks

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den0ts_:

hey could someone hold my hand

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den0ts_:

i just built a new pc

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den0ts_:

I threw my storage drive in it

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den0ts_:

i installed mythtv

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den0ts_:

now i want to restore the db

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den0ts_:

but i wanna make sure i do it right

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Wicked:

den0ts_, check the wiki. theres a great entry for doing that

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den0ts_:

yea im reading it right now

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den0ts_:

and i used it to back up the db

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den0ts_:

i have a few backups and such

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Wicked:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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Wicked:

yea. you have to login to mysql and create the initial database before loading the backup.

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Wicked:

just do "create database mythconverg;"

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syamajala:

w00t

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syamajala:

it works

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syamajala:

next thing to do i guess is figure out how to change the channel on my cable box

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jmichelsen:

how we all doing today?

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jmichelsen:

!topic

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syamajala:

hmm

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