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Reticenti:

I have a bunch of videos in ~/movies, how do I get mythtv to see them?

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Dagmar:

Tell it to look there.

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Reticenti:

When i browse videos in the frontend, it says there are none there

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Dagmar:

This is documented.

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Reticenti:

i did tell it to look there

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Dagmar:

No, you clearly didn't.

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Dagmar:

You tell it where they are and then you tell it to scan for them.

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Reticenti:

where do i set it to look at a directory?

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Dagmar:

IF you by some chance told it "~" you need to go take that out.

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Dagmar:

Where to look is in the documentation.

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Reticenti:

i used the /home/user/dir

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skd5aner:

Reticenti: are the permissions correct?

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Reticenti:

the folder is owned by me, does it need to be owned by someone else too?

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skd5aner:

is mythfrontend ran by the same user??

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Reticenti:

yaeh

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Reticenti:

would this be a problem that causes it when i run mythfilldatabase: QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work.

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Reticenti:

because o

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Reticenti:

because I've set the directories in setup and in frontend

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skd5aner:

well – if mythfrontend can't contact the database, it won't see the settings

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iamlindoro:

getting way, way, way off track here

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iamlindoro:

read the docs. You are skipping a basic step, it's not enough to simply point myth at the dir

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

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skd5aner:

oh yea – you gotta scan now in .22 right?

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iamlindoro:

You have always needed to scan

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iamlindoro:

please, do not give a man fish, teach him to fish

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skd5aner:

I thought there was (is) a setting that would dynamically show video files?

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iamlindoro:

there was, and still is. It is not the preferred method of operation, however.

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skd5aner:

is that one of the settings you're considering removing in .23?

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Reticenti:

oh, cool, that works

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iamlindoro:

probably not

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Reticenti:

thanks

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Reticenti:

to have a thumbnail for each folder in the videos, do i need to havea jpg in each folder, or can mythtv make its own?

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iamlindoro:

If the folder contains an item with a cover, myth will user the first found item as the folder artwork

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Reticenti:

nvm

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Reticenti:

ok

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Dagmar:

...also documented.

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iamlindoro:

otherwise, yes, you can override that with an image

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iamlindoro:

and yes, also in the page linked above

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iamlindoro:

Didn't write all those docs so that I could interpret them regularly ;)

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Reticenti:

thanks for the help

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Dibblah:

Hrm.

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iamlindoro:

np

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** Dibblah is absolutely not sure what to do with the latest ticket. **

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7769

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, the win32 one?

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Dibblah:

I mean... Spending time documenting it is well and good, but the likelyhood that Myth will ever build under VS is rather small.

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iamlindoro:

I was thinking type->enhancement, subject->Allow Myth to compile in Visualstudio, infoneeded->give us a patch

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Dibblah:

This is _one_ lib.

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iamlindoro:

oh, geez, this is only for the lib?

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iamlindoro:

pffft

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Dibblah:

That the guy ripped out and used for something.

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iamlindoro:

I'll respond to it if you don't want the heat :)

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Dagmar:

Yeah the moment it compiles under VS expect to see someone turn it into their commercial product

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Dagmar:

Count on it.

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Dibblah:

Done.

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tralph:

did 0.21-fixes have a mythconverg database backup script?

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iamlindoro:

no, though the new one will work on any version

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tralph:

iamlindoro: awesome... that's what I wanted to know

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KungFuJe1us:

Ok every solution I've seen for a USB based remote is either A.) too expensive, or B.) too much work

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tralph:

sphery: you're the man!

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJe1us: what do you consider 'too expensive'?

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KungFuJe1us:

30 dollars

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KungFuJe1us:

I almost wanted to build an IR boy until I found out I have to build the prommer as well in order to program it

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KungFuJe1us:

when you compare that to both the price and effort of an RS232 based receiver, it makes me want to cry

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wagnerrp:

i picked up my MCEUSBs for $25 or so

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KungFuJe1us:

too much, an rs232 based one with the same functionality only costs me about 4 dollars

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wagnerrp:

so stick with rs232

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iamlindoro:

The USB receiver is too much work to you... thus, you pay for someone else to do the work

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KungFuJe1us:

can't, no ion boards seem to have it :(

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wagnerrp:

so pick up a $5 usb/serial adapter

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KungFuJe1us:

a usb to rs232 solution is hacky at best, assuming the device I buy is supported by linux

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KungFuJe1us:

and, it's too bulky. I'm trying to mod this up against the case's front

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KungFuJe1us:

I want it to go from pins, to pins, to the motherboard

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Dagmar:

It has no PCI slots free?

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KungFuJe1us:

I really do not wish to build a prommer, though. :( Otherwise the irboy would be easy enough to build

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Dagmar:

Places are practically giving away PCI serial cards

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wagnerrp:

those things are small enough, strap it to the back of the tv and make it look however ugly you want

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Dagmar:

I think NewEgg was using them as packing material for awhile there

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KungFuJe1us:

I have to get lucky enough for the card to work with linux, and the form factor likely won't allow it

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Dagmar:

A serial card?

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Dagmar:

Shockingly, they're all much too boring to require exotic drivers.

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KungFuJe1us:

yep

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Dagmar:

I have _never_ seen a serial port that wasn't managed just fine by the standard serial drivers.

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KungFuJe1us:

hmm. Still it ruins my plans to use this case: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure

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KungFuJe1us:

I want a SMALL frontend. Tiny as possible

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KungFuJe1us:

something in a PCI expansion slot is not meeting the size requirements

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Dagmar:

Also, keep in mind that if you do build something yourself, there's no rule that says the piece housing the reciever or transmitter has to be larger than a spool of thread from a bachelor's sewing kit

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KungFuJe1us:

no I know they can be small, or small enough, anyway

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KungFuJe1us:

I'd feel less sloppy if I mounted it inside, though.

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Dagmar:

Good luck with that

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KungFuJe1us:

everything would be perfect if they hadn't started removing rs232 from motherboards :(

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Dagmar:

If you want "SMALL DAMNIT SMALL" you can't have any PCI tuner cards either, so you're _already_ going to have some klunky USB tuner hanging around

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KungFuJe1us:

Dagmar: this is a frontend only

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Dagmar:

Then say "screw IR"

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KungFuJe1us:

the other thing it will have going out is DVI/Component and ethernet

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KungFuJe1us:

nobody wants to sit down and use a keyboard to watch tv, lol

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Dagmar:

Buy something like http://www.ergogeek.com/ione-scorpius-p20-usb . . . r-black.html

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KungFuJe1us:

let's face it

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wagnerrp:

lets face it, no one ever said mythtv was cheap

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Dagmar:

SMALL, GOOD, CHEAP. YOU MAY HAVE ONLY TWO.

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Dagmar:

It's not just a snarky saying.

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KungFuJe1us:

I suppose not. And sadly the only way to do this internally is to spend 8 hours with IRBoy or buy a 40 dollar iguana IR receiver and ghetto rig that

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Dagmar:

Pick one of the three and give up on it already.

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KungFuJe1us:

I guess I have a bit before I go back to work, I could put slightly less value on my time

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Dagmar:

The Iguanaworks one you might have to modify would be the serial one

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Dagmar:

The USB one is already kitted out for leads

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Dagmar:

I have the serial one.

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Dagmar:

I only use it in the bedroom.

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KungFuJe1us:

Dagmar: yeah, I figured I'd have to chop of the end of a USB cable or something similar to solder the leads

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Dagmar:

A tiny RF keyboard on the coffee table is nothing.

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Dagmar:

Flopping around in the bedsheets it's a liability.

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KungFuJe1us:

Dagmar: I have one on my other frontend. It drives me nuts

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KungFuJe1us:

people always bump into it. And RF, depending on how old, is garbage

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KungFuJe1us:

lol

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Dagmar:

have you actually _looked_ at the thing? You won't have to solder or cut much of anything

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KungFuJe1us:

the iguanaworks one?

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KungFuJe1us:

I've liked at the USB one, yes

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Dagmar:

"depending on how old" <-- why you even bother saying this when I'm citing something designed a couple of years ago I have no idea

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Dagmar:

RF works fine.

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Dagmar:

Notably it does not require line of sight.

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KungFuJe1us:

mine seemingly does. It's really poor. If you turn the keyboard even slightly, it barely works

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at0m:

KungFuJe1us: i bet you managed to find the cheapest one

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KungFuJe1us:

most of the time it has latency for the keystrokes. Noticeable latency

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Dagmar:

MicroInnovations is not a vendor you can trust.

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KungFuJe1us:

it's logitech

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at0m:

=\

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Dagmar:

It's an old one then

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KungFuJe1us:

at0m: now granted, I have seen the NEWER nicer ones

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KungFuJe1us:

which work quite well

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Dagmar:

...and I'm thinking pre-2000.

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KungFuJe1us:

but I was saying, the older, the crappier

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KungFuJe1us:

RF SUCKED for a while

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KungFuJe1us:

in any case, it's not as attractive a solution

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Dagmar:

Well, that was probably made before they freed up more frequency ranges for them to use

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Dagmar:

The FCC started opening more bands up for those types of devices after 98 or so

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KungFuJe1us:

I guess I'm willing to build this: http://usbirboy.sourceforge.net/pictures.html

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KungFuJe1us:

god, the prommer is going to be awful to fiddle with, though

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wagnerrp:

do digital tuners have any sort of receive buffer that exceed the maximum bandwidth in bursts?

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wagnerrp:

or is it out of the demod and straight into the decoder?

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KungFuJe1us:

why don't they sell this chips pre-programmed somewhere?

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KungFuJe1us:

these*

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, suspect it's the latter but devinheitmuller would know for sure

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wagnerrp:

just wondering about this reply... http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1482242&cid=30479144

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iamlindoro:

Ack, someone on users is trying to build trunk on maemo

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wagnerrp:

maemo is one of those tablet intended distros?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It's yet another ignorant jackass running their mouth about things they don't actually understand.

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Dagmar:

Do you ACTUALLY expect any different from Slashdot posters?

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: especially considering its an AC

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That sounds patently false to me

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Dagmar:

You'd have already been modded to +5 if you'd included "You are either making this stuff up to sound knowledgeable or you are on heavy drugs."

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Dagmar:

He's been apparently believing the crap his HiFi salesman tells him about Dolby

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Dagmar:

God he's not the only person in that block who is just making things up

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mzb:

KungFuJe1us, I use both bluetooth and IR (and a couple of other things;)

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mzb:

bluetooth + wii remote == cheap

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mzb:

ir (usb streamzap) == cheap

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wagnerrp:

mzb: bluetooth + wii remote == ~$60

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wagnerrp:

not exactly cheap

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wagnerrp:

why is it that during end world scenarios, the insane/zombies/whatever are always content with each other, they only recognize and attack the still-sane?

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wagnerrp:

i mean shouldnt they fight amongst themselves, and die off?

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iamlindoro:

because the meat is still fresh/edible

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ctmjr:

and they crave the flesh they longer have

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KungFuJe1us:

mzb: streamzap= ~30$

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KungFuJe1us:

too much

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KungFuJe1us:

that costs half the price of the disk

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emory:

I'm having a problem I wonder if someone can help with, I have a remote that behaves as a keyboard and the only button that doesn't work is the power button, my solution was to set up an application shortcut associated with this button to halt the system, but it appears MythTV is blocking these events, does anyone have any thoughts on disabling that, or a different solution I haven't thought of? On my other system i use irexe

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Dagmar:

An application shortcut?

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Dagmar:

Dude if it's behaving as a keyboard then Myth isn't likely doing anything about it

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wagnerrp:

well, except that it has focus, instead of your window manager which would apparently be processing the input

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Dagmar:

Myth probably thinks it _is_ a keyboard, in which case it'll be the kernel's ACPI stuff that's likely the only thing that cares about it, and while X is running X will care

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wagnerrp:

although by that logic, *any* application open would prevent the button from working

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Dagmar:

X is probably seeing it and saying "So what"

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mzb:

KungFuJe1us, 2nd hand

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Dagmar:

That's not a keysym that's typically passed down to user apps much

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emory:

ok... so I'm not sure if I followed, this is a branch of knowledge I'm a bit fuzzy on, would your recommendation be to associated the button with halt at some lower level?

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mzb:

KungFuJe1us, and then there are other possibilities

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mzb:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4543

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mzb:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9877

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mzb:

but ymmv

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emory:

:) this was a remote that was sitting in my closet, and I'm building this system for my brother... Don't really want to spend anymore money on it... already bought my wife a laptop and moto droid...

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mzb:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5510

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mzb:

emory, intended for the benifit of KungFuJe1us

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tgm4883:

emory, what remote?

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emory:

1 sec

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emory:

XPC RC01

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mzb:

emory, if keyboard, then take a look at xmodmap and associated tools

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mzb:

see what that button is actually returning, and what it's mapped to

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nflava:

hi, I had a question about mythtv. Can I run the backend server on my pc and stream media from my pc to a d-link dsm-320rd network dvd player?

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emory:

well I have been playing with xmodmap the last day or so, I'm a bit of a nub when it comes to this, but when MythTV is not running I can hit the button and the system will shutdown, but when it is, nothing happens

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wagnerrp:

nflava: mythtv provides a upnp server on the backend, yes

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nflava:

ooh cool

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does exactly no transcoding, so you must use tuners that output video in such a format that can be used by your upnp client

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wagnerrp:

that means mpeg encoders and dvb tuners

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nflava:

ooh hhmmm

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emory:

mzb: xev has it registered as XF86PowerOff which doesn't do anything by default in XFCE so I created an application shortcut to just sudo halt when that key is pressed, and it seems to work.. as long as myth isn't running :(

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nflava:

i need the transcoding i think

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nflava:

cause the dvd player is not the best device to use

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squish102:

nflava I have one of those unfortunatly

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nflava:

it works ok on windows with tversity

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nflava:

but i just recently made the just to ubuntu and Im trying to find a tversity replacement

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squish102:

and u have to transcode evertything to SD

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wagnerrp:

so... mpeg encoders only

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squish102:

if your stuff will play ok, you can use uShare, if you just want a upnp server

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nflava:

ill have to check that out

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nflava:

all i really need is to be able to stream some avi to my dvd

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squish102:

i use uShare, but there is no fast forward or rewind :(

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nflava:

i can live with that i think...

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mzb:

KungFuJe1us, then there are similar items on dinodirect and focalprice

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nflava:

can i just install that from ubuntu software sources?

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squish102:

nflava i think "sudo apt-get install ushare' should do it?

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squish102:

and then point to http://yourip:49152/web/ushare.html

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squish102:

i dunno, i set it up long time ago

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nflava:

ok ill give it a try, some of this unix stuff is new to me lol

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nflava:

does ushare have an irc chan that you know of?

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nflava:

I need to find some docs on it now lol

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mzb:

KungFuJe1us, known to work on Ubuntu/Linux: dealextreme sku.14380 (HID)

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mzb:

suspect most of the others are similar (HID)

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dspDrew:

if I want to be able to record from 3 channels at once from more than QAM do I basically have to pay for 3 cable boxes

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wagnerrp:

your cable box does not receive anything but QAM

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dspDrew:

oh I guess I don't understand what QAM is then

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[R]:

dspDrew: what do mean "moer than qam"

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wagnerrp:

if you mean you want to record three encrypted channels at once

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[R]:

more*

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wagnerrp:

then yes, you need three cable boxes

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dspDrew:

i thought that was the broadcast stuff that's not encrypted

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wagnerrp:

dspDrew: in most cases, that is correct

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[R]:

no, thats ClearQAM

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[R]:

all digital cable chanensl use QAM

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wagnerrp:

you can find a lineup of your local are of what is broadcast unencrypted on the silicondust website

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dspDrew:

damn so that's the usual routine is to pay like 30 bucks a month more for 3 cable boxes

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dspDrew:

or however many you want

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wagnerrp:

if your cableco charges $10/box, then yes

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dspDrew:

or is life nicer for people in places other than southern california

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dspDrew:

that's a good plan they came up with

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wagnerrp:

of course even if you were using windows media center, with cablecard tuners... they usually charge about the same for a cablecard as they do for a full box

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mzb:

KungFuJe1us, last one (I hope;) and probably a better option: ebay 350293979585

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mzb:

(or 140368392248 if you want a remote too)

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dspDrew:

so basically you pay for cable but then what they don't tell you is that you have to pay them again to watch it on each tv haha

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wagnerrp:

basically, yes

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dspDrew:

how nice of them

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wagnerrp:

technically, you were probably supposed to pay for each additional analog tv you had hooked up

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dspDrew:

damn I'm gonna be spending so much for tv

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wagnerrp:

but most people are technically competent enough do buy an amp and plug additional tvs in

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dspDrew:

nah

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dspDrew:

not analog

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wagnerrp:

im supposed to be paying additional for each analog tv i have hooked up

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dspDrew:

that's why it's more expensive for analog and less channels

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[R]:

wagnerrp: really?

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dspDrew:

ok so now I will be able to use 3 IR blasters with each of these without a problem?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: cox here always says that one of the advantages of cable is free analog on all your tvs

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emory:

Hmm... interestingly enough, associating the keycode with XF86WWW then associating THAT with sudo halt seems to have worked? MythTV isn't standing in the way anymore... or XFCE is behaving more properly... well, I guess I'll count my blessings and moved on, thanks guys, you all have a good holiday!

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dspDrew:

how do you control all 3 boxes

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dspDrew:

it's obvious how to control one

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wagnerrp:

ir blasters

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dspDrew:

3 of them at once

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wagnerrp:

you just have multiple

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dspDrew:

is that harder to setup

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wagnerrp:

the problem more becomes how do you ensure your inputs do not get re-arranged on reboot

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wagnerrp:

i have no anwser to that one

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dspDrew:

so having more than one input is not something they have worked out?

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wagnerrp:

there is no way to work it out

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wagnerrp:

there is no static identifier

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dspDrew:

don't most poeple want multiple inputs on a dvr

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wagnerrp:

nothing to recognize a specific card from another identical one

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[R]:

dspDrew: i have 1 hdpvr and 1 qam tuner

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dspDrew:

not sure waht that means

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wagnerrp:

ive got two analog and three digital inputs

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wagnerrp:

hes saying yes, its common for mythtv users to have multiple inputs

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dspDrew:

are you saying the problem is having mythtv know which input goes with which ir blaster

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wagnerrp:

depending on your blasters, you can probably recognize them

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dspDrew:

why would it matter anyways

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wagnerrp:

the problem is determining which /dev/video<n> goes to which STB

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dspDrew:

isn't the only difference what the ir blaster is telling it

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wagnerrp:

you have three tuners and three stbs

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wagnerrp:

if your video nodes suddenly get reordered, you are not recording stb0 on video2

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wagnerrp:

so when you send the command to change channels on stb0, it doesnt matter because you will be capturing something different over video0

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dspDrew:

well as long as one of them is capturing it why would it matter

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wagnerrp:

because its on the wrong channel

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wagnerrp:

you will have sent the command to the stb hooked up to the wrong capture card

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dspDrew:

hm i see

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dspDrew:

i guess I was thinking in the frame of mind that all are capturing something I want at every moment

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dspDrew:

which obviously isn't happening

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dspDrew:

so yeah I get it

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wagnerrp:

and still isnt good

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wagnerrp:

because now you have mislabeled recordings

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dspDrew:

oh

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dspDrew:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

which is almost as bad as outright recording the wrong thing

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ctmjr:

nothing worse then going to watch sons of anarchy and sponge bob pops up

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dspDrew:

so umm what do you do reconfigure everything everytime you reboot

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you just want to watch a nice happy show about bikers

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wagnerrp:

and instead you get a satanic sponge living in a bubble under water

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wagnerrp:

i mean seriously, WTF is with that

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dspDrew:

this is making more and more pissed at time warner

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ctmjr:

yes exactly

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wagnerrp:

dspDrew: not sure, never had to deal with that particular scenario

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dspDrew:

so you can get all your content without a box?

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wagnerrp:

analog cable, and OTA content (over cable)

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dspDrew:

now doesnt analog look like crap on a hdtv

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dspDrew:

that's what I read

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dspDrew:

i was actually thinking about going back to analog

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wagnerrp:

the handful of shows i do watch, its not bad

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wagnerrp:

i get nearly all my content off the big networks

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dspDrew:

and that means what

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wagnerrp:

digitally

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wagnerrp:

s/big/broadcast/

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dspDrew:

oh i see

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dspDrew:

ohh so your using digital for broadcast

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dspDrew:

and then analog cable for everything else?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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dspDrew:

so your using an antenna

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dspDrew:

to get the digital

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wagnerrp:

im using cable

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wagnerrp:

clearqam

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dspDrew:

i thought you had analog cable

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wagnerrp:

your cableco is required to rebroadcast the local 'must carry' stations over their lines

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dspDrew:

yes but that's on digital cable

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wagnerrp:

technically, that only has to happen for digital hd subscribers

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wagnerrp:

but its not worth their effort to block it for the other users

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dspDrew:

but how are you getting digital on analog cable

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wagnerrp:

its all the same thing

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wagnerrp:

its not like your cableco has two separate copper runs out for different subscribers

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wagnerrp:

they do one broadcast

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dspDrew:

as far as I know broadcast on analog cable is still analog

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wagnerrp:

every subscriber gets their full lineup

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wagnerrp:

formerly, they used to put filters on the poles to block your access to certain channels

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wagnerrp:

now, they dont bother and just make that content only available over digital

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bllz:

I have an issue where the opengl painter setting causes the frontend menu to fade to black after a few seconds. What causes this and is there a way to fix it? i rather like the opengl painter...

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dspDrew:

oh i see so then the broadcast stuff is being sent in digital and analog

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wagnerrp:

and its encrypted, so you have to have an authorized crypto card in an authorized STB, linked to your account with a list of channels you are allowed to access

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wagnerrp:

generally theres a split somewhere in the mid 70s

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wagnerrp:

anything below is analog, anything above is digital

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wagnerrp:

comcast has been moving that split down into the mid 30s

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wagnerrp:

and apparently in some markets they have recently cut out analog cable all together

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bllz:

*cough* *cough* comcast

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bllz:

i'm still mad at them for that...

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wagnerrp:

*cough* *cough* thats who i said...

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wagnerrp:

:P

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bllz:

=)

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bllz:

oh yeah you did lol

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dspDrew:

if I hook directly to my cable right now I don't get what I would if I was paying for analog cable though

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dspDrew:

i would get some cable channels

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bllz:

dspDrew: do you get more or less?

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dspDrew:

wagnerrp: are you saying that there never a difference in what is being sent to my house

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dspDrew:

they just give me a cable box if I pay for digital

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dspDrew:

cause i don't see how that's possible

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bllz:

dspDrew: that's usually the way it works

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dspDrew:

if I hook up to my cable right now I only get broadcast channels

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bllz:

dspDrew: unless they've moved to all-digital in your area

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dspDrew:

when I had analog cable I got much more

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dspDrew:

basic cable

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bllz:

dspDrew: when you say broadcast channels, you mean your local channels?

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dspDrew:

yes

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bllz:

dspDrew: sounds like your area went to all-digital

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wagnerrp:

i mean broadcast channels... anything receivable by an antenna

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bllz:

the only channels they broadcast in the clear are the local ones... stuff you'd get over the air

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wagnerrp:

dspDrew: is this an analog tuner/tv youre plugging in?

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dspDrew:

yes

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wagnerrp:

not a digital tv that may have a QAM tuner that youre scanning

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dspDrew:

god this stuff is confusing

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bllz:

dspDrew: lol you're making it more complicated than it is (I was there too) =) Whose your service provider?

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dspDrew:

best way to rip people off though I suppose

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bllz:

dspDrew: guess why they're doing it =/

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dspDrew:

crime warner

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bllz:

lol

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bllz:

nice

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bllz:

dspDrew: call them and ask them to send you a DTA

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bllz:

they have to send you one for free

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dspDrew:

what's that

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bllz:

Ditigal Transport Adapter

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dspDrew:

better be soething technical

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dspDrew:

oh

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dspDrew:

haha i though it was documentation

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bllz:

if it helps you remember think of it as "digital to analog"

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bllz:

what capture card do you have?

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dspDrew:

pvr 2250 i think

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bllz:

is that an sdtv tuner?

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dspDrew:

but I think I might not even be able to use that

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bllz:

with coax in?

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dspDrew:

it's digital, but no analog drivers for linux

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bllz:

dspDrew: hmm... well it's unlikely you'll be able to use it since they're being really cool guys and encrypting your channels

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dspDrew:

yeah I already konw that much

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bllz:

if you want SDTV capture get a PVR150. they're cheap as all hell now

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wagnerrp:

(on fleabay)

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bllz:

and there are some models with dual tuners... i think tha'ts the 350, but I can't remember

[04:55:36]

bllz:

or newegg

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wagnerrp:

500

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bllz:

500, there you go

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wagnerrp:

350 had a hardware mpeg decoder

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dspDrew:

I'm paying for something I can't use unless I pay them more each time I want to use it

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dspDrew:

haha

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wagnerrp:

250 was an older model, superceeded by the 150

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bllz:

dspDrew: hook one of those bad boys up with a DTA and you'll be good to go

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wagnerrp:

(for a limited subset of channels)

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dspDrew:

yeah I aleady got a tv card from ebay and it looked like someone stepped on it

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bllz:

the reason I say get the DTA is because it changes channels faster

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bllz:

although you could also use yur set top box with an ir blaster as well

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt change any faster than any other digital cable box

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dspDrew:

yeah the 500

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dspDrew:

i got and it was all smashed

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wagnerrp:

assuming your other boxes are really just tuners and not dvrs

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wagnerrp:

all smashed?

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dspDrew:

i stopped buying stuff like that on ebay

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dspDrew:

haha yeah

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wagnerrp:

you get a refund?

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bllz:

right. assuming all that

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dspDrew:

hell yeah

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dspDrew:

sent that garbage right back to him

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dspDrew:

i don't think they make those anymore

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wagnerrp:

no, they havent for some time

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wagnerrp:

hence their availability only ebay

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wagnerrp:

the FCC banned production of analog-only devices some time back in 2007

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wagnerrp:

there was a time where PVR-150s were shipping with a 1600 in the box

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dspDrew:

haha

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dspDrew:

why would they ban them

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wagnerrp:

because of the digital transition?

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dspDrew:

haha

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dspDrew:

my god

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wagnerrp:

there *should* be no use for an analog device any longer

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dspDrew:

these people can't leave anyone alone

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wagnerrp:

bastard cable services no withstanding

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wagnerrp:

hopefully something decent will happen out of the FCC abandoning cablecard in favor of better options

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dspDrew:

haha makes no sense to actually ban something just cause it doesnt have as common of a use anymore

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wagnerrp:

the idea was to protect users from buying devices which would be obsolete in under a year

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dspDrew:

with that idea maybe the fcc should be banned

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dspDrew:

haha I'm glad they protected me

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dspDrew:

thank god

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bllz:

dspDrew: yeah then we'd have john mccain's version of net neutrality

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bllz:

sounds like a win to me

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** bllz rolls eyes **

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bllz:

=)

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wagnerrp:

well theyre making things difficult for the 2% of the population that actually understands that they need a digital tuner

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bllz:

i guess that's a fair point

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wagnerrp:

the average person is very ignorant about such things

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dspDrew:

still makes no sense to just ban stuff

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dspDrew:

doesnt sound too "free" to me

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wagnerrp:

most people still consider digital synonymous with HD

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bllz:

i see their logic though

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wagnerrp:

no one says you cannot produce and sell a NTSC tuner

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dspDrew:

well I'm sure 2 percent of the population listens to some terrible music but I don't think it should be banned

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wagnerrp:

you just cannot produce a device with an NTSC tuner, and no ATSC tuner

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wagnerrp:

if you want one, you have to get the other

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bllz:

dspDrew: that's not the point. the point of banning such things is so that companies don't sell them for cheap to ignorant people, knowing they'll have to buy a new unit in a few months

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bllz:

speaking from a past perspective, that is

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing stopping someone from producing an analog capture device, sans tuner

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wagnerrp:

such as the HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

or any of the PVR cards for security systems

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zuixro:

The analog TV ban is wreaking havoc on theatres. Most wireless mic systems work in the banned spectrum, so they've got to shell out big bucks for new packs and receivers.

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dspDrew:

sounds like a legal issue with return policies and things completely unrelated though

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dspDrew:

so I can't use the digital tuner on my card if I use the signal coming from the cable box?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the card

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wagnerrp:

most digital tuners are hybrid tuners

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bllz:

dspDrew: depends on the encryption on the cable too

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dspDrew:

well thers no encryption coming from the cable box

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wagnerrp:

meaning you can only use the digital or analog side, not both simultaneously

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bllz:

oh from the cable box

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wagnerrp:

some cards have separate digital and analog tuners

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bllz:

yeah it depends on whether or not you have a hybrid tuner

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wagnerrp:

some cards (like your 2250) are dual hybrid tuners

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wagnerrp:

you can record two things at once, be it analog or digital

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dspDrew:

i guess I'm asking if there is a digital output on the box that I can plug into my card

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wagnerrp:

no

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dspDrew:

fantastic

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wagnerrp:

the only digital outputs you can get from an STB will be encrypted using HDCP

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dspDrew:

what is that

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wagnerrp:

and even if you could get a stripper (they are occasionally available)

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dspDrew:

isn't the box there to decrypt

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dspDrew:

so your saying nobody actually gets a digital signal going into their hdtvs

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wagnerrp:

the only capture device would be some blackmagic capture device, which doesnt follow standard linux apis

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wagnerrp:

people do digital inputs to their tvs all the time

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dspDrew:

and why can't I do one to my card

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wagnerrp:

because those tvs have paid into the HDCP licence, gotten their device certified that it will never make the unencrypted digital stream available

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dspDrew:

actually what ports specifically are we talking about

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wagnerrp:

DVI, HDMI, and DisplayPort

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dspDrew:

oh so then nobody runs anything digital into mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

sure, ATSC, DVB, QAM, firewire

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wagnerrp:

the first is never encrypted

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dspDrew:

haha this isn't confusing?

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wagnerrp:

the second is sometimes encrypted, but linux/mythtv compatible conditional access modules are available

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wagnerrp:

the other two can be encrypted, with no way of mythtv to do anything about it

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dspDrew:

man i still have no idea which way to go with this

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bllz:

dspDrew: get an analog tuner

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dspDrew:

basically the card I have will do nothing for me

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bllz:

dspDrew: or cancel your subscription to time warner and get your channels over the air

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dspDrew:

so first I need to buy an analog yeah

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dspDrew:

well I think I am gonna get analog cable and then use an antenna to get digital broadcast channels

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bllz:

dspDrew: wat?

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bllz:

I think you're missing the point

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dspDrew:

the point is to get ananlog cable

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dspDrew:

so I don't need those damn boxes

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wagnerrp:

the point is analog cable may be going away

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dspDrew:

and as long as Im recording broadcast channels I might as well use an antenna and get digital

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dspDrew:

yeah tahts the only thing I'm wondering

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bllz:

dspDrew: 1) don't count on having analog cable anymore 2) digital tuners are for OTA, mainly, because cable is encrypted these days

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dspDrew:

is how much longer before you have no choise but be ripped off

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wagnerrp:

usually a digital subscription comes with free analog

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wagnerrp:

so if you have no analog currently, you may not be able to get analog

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bllz:

wagnerrp: mine doesn't

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dspDrew:

wagnerrp: mine does not either

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dspDrew:

or yes it does for broadcast only

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wagnerrp:

mine did on my last provider

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wagnerrp:

and that would be the case on my current provider were i getting digital

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bllz:

dspDrew: really you have a few options. you can keep your digital tuner and cancel your cable subscription and use an antenna

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dspDrew:

if I pay for analog cable i will get basic cable

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bllz:

or you can get an analog cable and an ir blaster and use your digital cable

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wagnerrp:

basic cable is worthless

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wagnerrp:

since you can get all the same channels over an antenna

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dspDrew:

no you cant

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dspDrew:

you get broadcast channels

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bllz:

dspDrew: basic cable is for people who can't get a clear signal

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dspDrew:

not cable channels

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bllz:

OTA, that is

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wagnerrp:

oh, you probably mean extended basic, or extended, or whatever your cableco calls it

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dspDrew:

broadcast cable is not basic cable

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wagnerrp:

basic cable is your broadcast channels, and maybe stuff like public access, cspan, and qvc

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dspDrew:

fox news cnn mtv disney discovery

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dspDrew:

stuff like that does not come over an antenna haha

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wagnerrp:

and is not basic cable

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bllz:

dspDrew: you don't want fox news anyway =)

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dspDrew:

yes it is

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bllz:

dspDrew: it's possible that your service provider lists their normal cable as "basic" and just don't hook you up with a STB

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dspDrew:

so neither of you guys are using more than one ir blaster?

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wagnerrp:

im not using a single ir blaster

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bllz:

i'm using 1

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dspDrew:

so 2 won't work basically unless you want to reconfigure after every reboot

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bllz:

dspDrew: sure it will

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wagnerrp:

you dont *have* to reconfigure

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dspDrew:

haha

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wagnerrp:

you just run the risk that they can flip

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wagnerrp:

assuming you dont change hardware around, or update software

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wagnerrp:

chances are fairly low that they will rearrange themselves

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dspDrew:

oh

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wagnerrp:

but the chance does exist

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bllz:

dspDrew: the main disadvantage is the need for more set-top boxes

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wagnerrp:

and its high enough that you likely will run into it

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dspDrew:

bllz: do you have digital cable

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wagnerrp:

so you may not have to reconfigure anything on each reboot, but you should certainly check after each reboot

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bllz:

dspDrew: yes

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bllz:

dspDrew: I'm using my DTA

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dspDrew:

and how many imputs

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dspDrew:

inputs

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dspDrew:

how many cable boxes do you have

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bllz:

dspDrew: only one right now

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dspDrew:

so you just avoid scheduling conflicts

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bllz:

dspDrew: yep!

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dspDrew:

and only watch waht your recording

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bllz:

dspDrew: and between you, me and the wall, bittorrent

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bllz:

that is all

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bllz:

which makes me wonder why I even have a cable subscription

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dspDrew:

i havent gotten any tv shows from bittorent

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bllz:

dspDrew: well i'm not condoning it...

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dspDrew:

never really even search for that stuff

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dspDrew:

i konw you certainly can't get it from the private tracker I use

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dspDrew:

no video

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wagnerrp:

and in this channel, you shouldnt be talking about getting shows off bittorrent

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wagnerrp:

verboten

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dspDrew:

so far I've only talked about not getting shows

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dspDrew:

haha

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wagnerrp:

bllz has

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bllz:

yeah i was talking about getting mythbuntu...

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bllz:

lol

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bllz:

wagnerrp: nah you read into that =)

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dspDrew:

anyways

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dspDrew:

so waht woudl I need to run digital from my cable box into mythtv

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bllz:

analog tuner and ir blaster

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dspDrew:

haha

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dspDrew:

that made no sense

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dspDrew:

get digital with an analog tuner

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bllz:

calbe box, dspDrew

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bllz:

cable box spits out analog

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wagnerrp:

but you should never use an analog tuner for capture off a cable box

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bllz:

wagnerrp: why not?

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wagnerrp:

always use svideo if possible

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dspDrew:

wtf

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dspDrew:

I'm about to give up

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wagnerrp:

then composite, then rf (tuner)

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dspDrew:

oh

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bllz:

that's how i'm doing it

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wagnerrp:

as a capture card, not a tuner

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bllz:

then again the DTA only has a coax out

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wagnerrp:

seriously? thats utter crap

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dspDrew:

haha

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bllz:

wagnerrp: works fine

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wagnerrp:

sure, it works fine

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wagnerrp:

but it will look like ass compared to svideo

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bllz:

meh, it's an sdtv

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dspDrew:

bllz: why do you have a dta if you have a cable box

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bllz:

so you can't really tell the difference

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bllz:

dspDrew: because it changes channels faster

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wagnerrp:

especially considering the DTA only gets a small subset of what the real cable box will do

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bllz:

dspDrew: also because the girlfriend really wants on demand, so we use the cable box on another tv

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dspDrew:

isn't the channel changing happening in the cable box

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bllz:

wagnerrp: nah it gets all the channels

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bllz:

dspDrew: yeah it is

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bllz:

or the dta in this case

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wagnerrp:

it only carries the channels that were formerly on analog cable

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dspDrew:

oh your not using the cable box on your mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and then it only carries standard def versions of it, rather than require the DTA to downscale the HD versions

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bllz:

wagnerrp: which is all my channels

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wagnerrp:

svideo capture off the cable box will look vastly better than rf off the DTA

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bllz:

wagnerrp: there's no svideo on the cable box

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bllz:

only composite and coax

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wagnerrp:

what kind of lame ass hardware are they giving you

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bllz:

but i think the composite is turned on only when the "record" button is pressed on the stock remote

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wagnerrp:

ive not seen a piece of hardware in 10 years that didnt do svideo

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bllz:

the composite is for use with a vcr

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bllz:

motorola dta700

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bllz:

it's okay though, it works fine

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bllz:

looks fine too

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tralph:

anyone see a problem with running a combined backend/frontend with 4 tuners on a single harddisk?

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wagnerrp:

tralph: the only problem youre going to have is fragmentation, and if you use XFS with proper tuning, thats not a problem

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bllz:

tralph: the only one I can think of is bandwidth for the hdd

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dspDrew:

bllz: do you think if I got a dta I would get the channels I was getting when I had analog cable

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bllz:

but i dunno if that'll be an issue

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bllz:

dspDrew: yes. undoubtedly

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wagnerrp:

four digital tuners will pull at max ~9MB/s

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dspDrew:

instead of just gtting the analog that's coming over the line right now

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wagnerrp:

or double that if youre using QAM with multiple virtual tuners

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bllz:

dspDrew: and you have nothing to lose since those things are free anyway

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wagnerrp:

any modern hard drive should be able to handle that

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tralph:

wagnerrp: was planning on using ext4... is frag still an issue?

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about ext4

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bllz:

tralph: i'm using ext4 and haven't had any problems with it

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wagnerrp:

XFS has special options to allow you to pre-allocate up to 512MB blocks when writing to files

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tralph:

wagnerrp: yes I use that XFS option for my MythTV system at home

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wagnerrp:

without something like that, and mythtv doing several recordings simultaneously, they will get chopped up into blocks on the order of several MB

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dspDrew:

bllz: so wait, you get more than broadcast channels unencrypted

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bllz:

dspDrew: no, i get the same ammount

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dspDrew:

huh

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tralph:

wagnerrp: thanks for the info

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bllz:

dspDrew: you're making this more complicated than it is. Right now, you're not getting anything but a few channels because the rest are encrypted

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dspDrew:

and the dta will do what

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bllz:

dspDrew: when you hook up your DTA/STB to the tuner card, you'll get them all

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wagnerrp:

s/tuner/capture/

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wagnerrp:

if youre capturing from a device over RF (using a tuner), youre doing it wrong

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dspDrew:

a dta will get them all?

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dspDrew:

and they don't charge for it

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dspDrew:

that doesnt make sense

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wagnerrp:

no, a DTA will only get you the channels that you formerly got over analog cable

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dspDrew:

haha

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wagnerrp:

they will be standard definition only

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wagnerrp:

and will be using a lesser form of encryption from the standard STB

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wagnerrp:

so you still cant capture them over clearqam

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bllz:

dspDrew: DTA will be SDTV and in my case, I got all my channels

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dspDrew:

what do you od with it then

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bllz:

dspDrew: but you'll need an analog tuner

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wagnerrp:

that lesser, non-modular encryption, and standard def only decoder makes them very cheap

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bllz:

dspDrew: you can also use your STB for that

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wagnerrp:

you usually get two for free with an account, and additional at $1/mo/box

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sphery:

tralph: the backup worked for you without issues?

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dspDrew:

haha omg

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wagnerrp:

your STB cannot capture channels used by the DTAs

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wagnerrp:

they use a different form of encryption

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wagnerrp:

but you wouldnt want to anyway, because they have better quality channels available to them

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dspDrew:

so the dta is still decrypting

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bllz:

dspDrew: yes

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wagnerrp:

as of a month ago or so

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dspDrew:

not the same as getting the analog that's on the line right now

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wagnerrp:

it used to be illegal for them to use non-modular encryption, but they got a waiver for those boxes

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wagnerrp:

prior to that, the content was unencrypted, and you could just use any clearqam tuner

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dspDrew:

wait so what tuner do I use with this dta

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wagnerrp:

no tuner

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wagnerrp:

you use an analog capture device

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dspDrew:

is it a tuner

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bllz:

dspDrew: no tuner or analog tuner

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dspDrew:

is the dta a tuner

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wagnerrp:

preferably one that does svideo

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bllz:

dspDrew: and that will depend on what outputs you have available

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wagnerrp:

preferably an IVTV one (mpeg encoder)

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wagnerrp:

the dta is a tuner, yes

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dspDrew:

oh

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dspDrew:

ok geez

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bllz:

dspDrew: it's a bit counterintuitive because in my case, I have the DTA as a tuner, but then I have to plug it into another tuner (which is permanently set on ch4)

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bllz:

and that's because I only have coax as an option

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dspDrew:

so the only thing different is this thing has less channels

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bllz:

dspDrew: not necessarily. it all depends

[05:54:26]

bllz:

dspDrew: but it may

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wagnerrp:

weve told you exactly what it does, several times now

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dspDrew:

and you realy think they're gonna give me this thing for free

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bllz:

dspDrew: but it's free so you have nothing to lose

[05:54:41]

bllz:

dspDrew: they ahve to

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bllz:

dspDrew: just call them

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wagnerrp:

if time warner is doing that

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wagnerrp:

no one says they are

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wagnerrp:

bllz has comcast

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dspDrew:

well I always thought a digital to analog converter jsut converted the signal

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dspDrew:

i didn't know it was a tuner itself

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bllz:

wagnerrp; i think you have to provide DTAs by law

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bllz:

dspDrew; tuner/decrypter/analog converter

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wagnerrp:

bllz: nope, comcast only did so to mitigate the backlash of forcing everyone to have expensive cableboxes

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bllz:

aah

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dspDrew:

oh I'm sure time warner doesnt have these

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wagnerrp:

they give people a marginally better option, and now theyre free to cut out analog channels

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bllz:

still, i'd be surprised if they didn't ahve one

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dspDrew:

they are kinda of ripping off

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dspDrew:

kings of ripping off

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wagnerrp:

without users complaining

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bllz:

dspDrew: then use your set top box instead

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dspDrew:

well I want more than one tuner

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dspDrew:

and I'm trying not to pay the extra 9 bucks

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dspDrew:

a month

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bllz:

dspDrew: you might not have a choice

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mchou:

$9/mo for stb these days?

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dspDrew:

it will be in january

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dspDrew:

almost 9 bucks

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bllz:

dspDrew: then drop them and get your channels over the air

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dspDrew:

they are planning to up the ripoff like crazy in january

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dspDrew:

and they might drop all fox programming

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mchou:

depending where you live the higher rates may already have went into effect

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dspDrew:

if not raise our prices even more

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dspDrew:

cause I guess fox programming is 3 times as special now

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mchou:

dspDrew: why dont you just by more qam tuners?

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dspDrew:

so it's costing 3 times more

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mchou:

buy*

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bllz:

dspDrew: i'm not sure where the problem is

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bllz:

at this point...

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dspDrew:

mchou: i need to get more cable boxes

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mchou:

dspDrew: why?

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dspDrew:

I'm not rich

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bllz:

what?

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dspDrew:

because our cable is encrypted

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bllz:

dspDrew: i thought you already had a cable box

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dspDrew:

i do

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bllz:

so use that

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dspDrew:

but it doesnt have multiple tuners

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mchou:

dspDrew: what zip code are you in?

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bllz:

ooh okay

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dspDrew:

92626

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mchou:

dspDrew: doesnt seem to be encrypted according to silicondust

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dspDrew:

i thought they all encrypt this stuff in the US

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mchou:

dspDrew: sigh

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mchou:

dspDrew: do some due dligence before going off the handle

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mchou:

diligence*

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dspDrew:

well i havent gotten anything to show up but broadcast without my cable box so far

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bllz:

dspDrew: then, for the 100th time, it's encrypted

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mchou:

that's they way it's supposed to be

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dspDrew:

bllz: did you not jsut see waht mchou jsut said

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mchou:

broadcast != encrypted, premium=encrypted

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bllz:

dspDrew: then clearly he's mistaken

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mchou:

dspDrew: go look at the silicondust web site for yourself

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dspDrew:

mchou: do you think I'm talking about broadcast channels

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mchou:

dspDrew: you werent specific which channels you were referring to

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mchou:

you just said "I need cable box"

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dspDrew:

yes

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bllz:

mchou: sounds like he does though

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dspDrew:

i need a cable box

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dspDrew:

if you wanted to know why I could tell you

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mchou:

dspDrew: for what channels in particular?

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dspDrew:

we have been talking about it for over an hour now

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dspDrew:

anything more than broadcast

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bllz:

mchou: he only gets local broadcast wihtout the STB

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mchou:

dspDrew: dude, be specific, give examples

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dspDrew:

i thought anything would be easier for you

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dspDrew:

to knwo what I'm talking about

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dspDrew:

just think of one

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mchou:

dspDrew: anything is hardly specific

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dspDrew:

mtv is an example

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dspDrew:

that's not broadcast right

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bllz:

dspDrew: no

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bllz:

dspDrew: do you get mtv with or without your STB?

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dspDrew:

it's pretty easy to know what's not broadcast

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dspDrew:

no

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bllz:

dspDrew: okay, so the issue is settled. your cable is encrypted

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mchou:

dspDrew: then you need stb to get MTV, end of story

[06:09:26]

dspDrew:

if you don't get it from an antenna I don't get it without the stb

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dspDrew:

so now we are back to i need a cable box

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bllz:

or a DTA, yes

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dspDrew:

and to answer your original question I don't want to pay for multiple boxes

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bllz:

dspDrew: well you don't exactly have a lot of choices here

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dspDrew:

bllz: i don't think time warner has that option

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bllz:

dspDrew: then again, you either get the other STB or you drop time warner

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bllz:

or you live with one stb

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dspDrew:

or like I said in the beginning I could keep just the one I have

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bllz:

like I said: or you live with one stb

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dspDrew:

and use another tuner to at least get multiple programs from broadcast channels

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dspDrew:

even an antenna if I want digital

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dspDrew:

or wait

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dspDrew:

no haha it will be digital I mean

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dspDrew:

i was still thinking of the analog cable idea

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bllz:

hmm it might be hard to integrate 2 sources

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dspDrew:

what do you mean I have a tuner card with one cable input and another card for the stb input

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bllz:

i guess that could work

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bllz:

i dunno

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dspDrew:

one card for the stb and one for the direct cable

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bllz:

i've never done it

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dspDrew:

that would take care of a few of my scheduling conflicts

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bllz:

but the second card would have to be analog capture if it's cable

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mchou:

????

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dspDrew:

huh

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mchou:

that's full of baloney

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dspDrew:

the stb one you mean

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bllz:

mchou: what is?

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dspDrew:

yes the stb one would have to be analog

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mchou:

a qm card will work fine and give you more options

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mchou:

qam*

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bllz:

mchou: not when the cable is encrypted, which his is

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mchou:

bllz: are you daft?

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bllz:

mchou: am I missing something?

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dspDrew:

oh so you are talking about the direct cable

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dspDrew:

why would I use analog

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dspDrew:

haha

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mchou:

bllz: his broadcasts are not encrypted

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dspDrew:

bllz: did I confuse you now

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bllz:

mchou: wat? he can't get anything but broadcast channels on his cable. that sounds like it's encrypted

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dspDrew:

haha

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bllz:

without the stb that is

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dspDrew:

bllz: that's all the direct cable line will be for

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dspDrew:

broadcast

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mchou:

bllz: go do your homewok

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mchou:

homework*

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bllz:

mchou: no need to be an ass

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bllz:

i'm officially confused

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dspDrew:

ok I have a question

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dspDrew:

yeah so am I

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mchou:

bllz: you're the one being an ass. All you seem to parrot is his cable is encrypted

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dspDrew:

if my line has analog and digital on it

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bllz:

mchou: well we had established that it was some time ago

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dspDrew:

and my card is analog and digital

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dspDrew:

which one is it going to show

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bllz:

mchou: and i may be mistaken, but that's not the same as being an ass

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mchou:

bllz: you havent established shit in your verbiage

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bllz:

mchou: so please correct me but do so respectfully

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bllz:

okay, i see you're not interested in being polite or helpful...

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iamlindoro:

mchou, watch your mouth

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mchou:

bllz: his broadcast channels are NOT encrypted

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bllz:

mchou: and how did we establish this? that's what I seem to have missed

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dspDrew:

alright alright

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mchou:

bllz: how many times I gotta say this? silicondust

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dspDrew:

if my line has analog and digital on it, and my card is analog and digital, which one is it going to show

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bllz:

mchou: those things aren't always 100% accurate. I was basing it on the fact that he wasn't getting the vast majority of his channels without an STB

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mchou:

bllz: oh lord

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bllz:

mchou: got something to share?

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mchou:

bllz: he said he couldnt get MTV

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bllz:

among others

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bllz:

MTV was an example

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mchou:

MTV is NOT local broadcast

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bllz:

i never said it was

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bllz:

he's not getting mtv

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bllz:

among other channels

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bllz:

unless i misunderstood

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mchou:

bllz: so from that you established all his channels are encrypted?

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Dagmar:

It's a pretty safe bet. It's cable.

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bllz:

mchou: it's certainly a likely explanation. in my experience that tends to be the reason

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dspDrew:

i get only broadcast channels without the stb

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bllz:

mchou: did you catch that ^^^ ?

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dspDrew:

so i don't konw why there's an argument about it

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bllz:

dspDrew: I don't either

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mchou:

bllz: [22:19:20] <mchou> bllz: his broadcast channels are NOT encrypted

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dspDrew:

haha

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bllz:

mchou: right... so?

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mchou:

bllz: which part of that DID you NOT understand?

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bllz:

the rest of them appear to be

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bllz:

that's how my cable is set up. local channels are in the clear, but everything else is encrypted and requires a STB

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mchou:

bllz: [22:16:01] <bllz> mchou: not when the cable is encrypted, which his is

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bllz:

mchou: right, he has encrypted cable

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dspDrew:

yeha that threw me off a bit too

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bllz:

mchou: with the exception of his local broadcast

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mchou:

who's on first?

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bllz:

mchou: that's pretty standard

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dspDrew:

bllz: the input without the stb I said was for getting local channels

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bllz:

the point remains the same. to take advantage of his cable subscription, he's going to need to use the STB

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bllz:

dspDrew: right

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dspDrew:

so it doesnt matter if it's encrypted

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bllz:

dspDrew: you get all channels with the STB and local broadcast only without

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bllz:

right?

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dspDrew:

yes

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bllz:

okay, thanks =)

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dspDrew:

so one input will be from stb and one with out

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bllz:

so now that's settled, you're on encyrpted cable and you need the STB =)

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bllz:

dspDrew: run your idea by me again?

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mchou:

omg

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bllz:

i got mixed up

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mchou:

what daftness

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bllz:

mchou: then explain yourself because we're not understanding you at all

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dspDrew:

that way if I wanted to record something from discovery channel and something from local fox at the same time it will be possible

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dspDrew:

better than nothing recording at the same time

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bllz:

dspDrew: i don't know the details of setting up multiple sources... i've never done it

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wagnerrp:

if you want to record something local, all you need is an ATSC tuner (for antenna) or QAM (for unencrypted digital cable)

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wagnerrp:

you dont need an STB

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mchou:

right, in this case you only need STB for discovery

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dspDrew:

oh well i don't think that's an issue really

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dspDrew:

i think that's just normal use

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bllz:

wagnerrp: I think he wants to split his cable and use one analog tuner and one STB

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mchou:

and you can use a qm tuner for Fox

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mchou:

qam*

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dspDrew:

yeah i don't really have any questions about this setup

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mchou:

if you wanna record discovery and history at the same time, that's a different story

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dspDrew:

it's pretty straight forward

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dspDrew:

and will obviously work fine

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dspDrew:

mchou: yeha

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dspDrew:

yeah

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dspDrew:

but can somebody answer this question I still have on my clipboard

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bllz:

dspDrew: shoot

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mchou:

"but your cable is encrpted!"

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mchou:

lol

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dspDrew:

if my line has analog and digital on it, and my card is analog and digital, which one is it going to show

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bllz:

mchou: that's called being an ass

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wagnerrp:

dspDrew: they show up as two separate cards under linux

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dspDrew:

oh i see

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wagnerrp:

one in /dev/dvb/adaptor0, the other in /dev/video0

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dspDrew:

well I was just testing with windows

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bllz:

dspDrew: hold on... i'm utterly mixed up. Your plan is to have one line go cable>STB>myth and then another cable line go cable>myth ?

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wagnerrp:

if you have a hybrid tuner, rather than a true dual tuner, you must set them up in a recording group

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dspDrew:

but god that software is terrible

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dspDrew:

that wintv garbage

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv knows not to use both at the same time

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tralph:

sphery: I did the backup now I'm going to do the restore

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dspDrew:

bllz: yes exactly

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dspDrew:

wagnerrp: well I don't be using this card for analog at all

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dspDrew:

since linux doesnt have analog drivers for it

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dspDrew:

I'll have to get another for analog

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wagnerrp:

then it wont show up at all, because there are no analog drivers for it

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bllz:

dspDrew: okay... so "encrypted" or not... if you want to get all the channels on your cable lineup you'll need the STB. The line that doesn't have the STB will only get local broadcast. that is all, unless mchou has an issue with that

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dspDrew:

maybe get a smashed one from ebay

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 will just show up as two independent dvb tuners

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bllz:

but obviously the line that uses the STB will have all your channels. that was the only point I was making

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bllz:

citing encryption as the probable reason

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dspDrew:

wagnerrp: i guess I might as well use it for 2 direct cable line inputs

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bllz:

dspDrew: then you may as well just drop your cable provider and get your channels over the air

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dspDrew:

even though I won't have much of a need for that, but it's there

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bllz:

since you'll get the same content

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tralph:

anyone know how to completely blow away the mysql database plus users including passwords

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dspDrew:

haha bllz there's gonna also be an analog card and a stb also in this setup

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dspDrew:

did you forget already

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bllz:

dspDrew: oh, so 1 STB line and 2 direct lines

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bllz:

gotcha

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bllz:

okay

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dspDrew:

yeah

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bllz:

you're losing me on the details at times =)

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bllz:

i thought it was one and one

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dspDrew:

2 direct lines won't really be needed, but if I have the dual card I may as well set it up and have it available

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bllz:

dspDrew: yeah i'd do it too

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bllz:

haha so i think you're finally covered =)

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dspDrew:

unless there's some thing on another broadcast channel I want to watch while family guys on

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bllz:

you mean non-broadcast?

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dspDrew:

no broadcast

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dspDrew:

then I would make use of the 2 direct inputs

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bllz:

but you have 2 broadcast lines

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bllz:

one for each digital tuner

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dspDrew:

otherwise Ide probably hardly ever use them both

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bllz:

Does anybody know how I can solve the opengl painter issue whereby my forntend menu fades to black after a few seconds? I rather like the opengl effects, so if there's a fix, i'd like to use it. logs are here: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f46465930

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bllz:

It's odd because the problem doesn't appear until the frontend is restarted. adn when it does appear, i get the menu for about 5 seconds before the fade. Also, if I hit the stop button enough times to bring up the exit prompt on myth frontend, that shows up just fine

[06:42:49]

dspDrew:

bllz: only thing I have not tried I think is hooking up a digital tuner up to my line without a stb

[06:43:12]

bllz:

dspDrew: i thought you tried that...

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dspDrew:

not sure if it would be any different than an analog

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dspDrew:

as far as channels

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bllz:

wait... what?

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bllz:

what did you originally try?

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dspDrew:

that's why I was asking how I kow if my card is receiving the analog or digital

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dspDrew:

cause my card is the only digital receiver I have

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dspDrew:

all my TVs are big pieces of crap

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dspDrew:

that don't do digital

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bllz:

what did you originally try?

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dspDrew:

anlaog without stb

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bllz:

no no

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bllz:

what got plugged into what

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bllz:

cable to tv?

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bllz:

directly?

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dspDrew:

yes

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bllz:

aah okay

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bllz:

well you'll get the same thing

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bllz:

most likely anyway

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bllz:

try it

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dspDrew:

what's funny is you guys know much more than the dunce that was here setting stuff up

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dspDrew:

and he couldn't even begin to explain the channels to me

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bllz:

haha that's only because i've f*cked up a fair number of installations

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dspDrew:

matter of fact he claimed I could get the same thing without the stb

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dspDrew:

unless they are only sending broadcast in analog

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dspDrew:

so that's all these stupid tvs get

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bllz:

which is possible

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dspDrew:

and why he was confused and looked stupid

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bllz:

it's entirely possible that they send the whole lineup in clear digital. i hadn't thoguht of that

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bllz:

just because I had (stupidly) assumed you plugged the cable into a digital tuner at some point

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dspDrew:

haha i doubt I culd be that lucky

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bllz:

dspDrew: in my experience, you just never know

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dspDrew:

well i might have

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dspDrew:

because of that card and this wintv garbage

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dspDrew:

i didn't know for sure if it was digital or analog

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dspDrew:

I'm gonna find out for sure

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dspDrew:

I'll have to do a test install of mythtv I guess

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dspDrew:

I'll certainly konw what I'm seeing is digital

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dspDrew:

without analog drivers

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sphery:

tralph: great. hope it works for you.

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dspDrew:

bllz: what version of mythtv do you use

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bllz:

.22

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dspDrew:

mythdora or mythbuntu

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bllz:

mythbuntu

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tralph:

sphery: I get an error

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tralph:

ERROR: The database does not exist.

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sphery:

you need to run the mc.sql first

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ial_database

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tralph:

I did

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tralph:

it's driving me crazy

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sphery:

run the backup script with --verbose\

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sphery:

without the \ just --verbose

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tralph:

"Unable to connect to database."

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tralph:

looks like it has the DBPassword empty

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tralph:

let me fill it in and try again

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tralph:

in the backuprc file

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sphery:

should be getting username and password from your config.xml

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billiard_junkee:

I have a ...simple question that I have not searched for, but does not seem to me that it would be easy to write a how to on. I finally set up my dream Linux box and imported all of my media from Windows so I could use MythTV.

[07:02:52]

sphery:

tralph: or your mysql.txt

[07:03:04]

tralph:

still unable to connect

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bllz:

billiard_junkee: but it doesn't come with a billiards table? =p

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billiard_junkee:

I know :((

[07:03:39]

sphery:

it won't output the password in the verbose output (to prevent it from being pastebin'ed or whatever)

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tralph:

sphery: I'm running as a normal user

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sphery:

tralph: can you pastebin the verbose output

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billiard_junkee:

I even checked 'Play Games' ;)

[07:04:05]

tralph:

sure... one sec

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billiard_junkee:

All my media is now on the local disk. The problem that I have encountered is basically this: Some of my movies/music have 'other' files mixed in such as jpeg, txt, etc... What I want to do is have a list of media only and not have to delve into several directories. How would you recommend doing so? I was thinking about making a directory of just links

[07:05:02]

billiard_junkee:

or is that silly and/or unnecessary...?

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bllz:

billiard_junkee: silly and unnecessary

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bllz:

just let those surplus files rot in there

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bllz:

it really shouldn't mess anything up

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bllz:

and it'll cost you like... a kilobyte max

[07:05:47]

bllz:

okay maybe a megabyte

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bllz:

i'll send you one in the mail free of charge =)

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billiard_junkee:

well, on the contrary it kinda does...there are about a dozen files named "A Clockwork Orange" 4 of them are avi (Trailers and behind the scenes stuff) I just want the movies though.. ;)

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bllz:

ooooh

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bllz:

yeah that is a problem

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billiard_junkee:

I want to keep the excess stuff that I have acquired like movie posters too

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bllz:

i'm afraid I can't offer anything other than manual filtering as a solution

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billiard_junkee:

alright, just thought it was worth a try

[07:08:27]

billiard_junkee:

like I say...making links to 4 of 500 files would kind of suck haha

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billiard_junkee:

*or

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tralph:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1720199

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sphery:

tralph: and does /home/jjault/.mythtv/config.xml have the proper info in it?

[07:10:44]

sphery:

and probably want to remove the password from /home/jjault/.mythtv/backuprc and make sure it's right in config.xml

[07:11:21]

tralph:

looks right

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tralph:

let me manually log into mysql with those parameters

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sphery:

tralph: OK, then it's quite possible when you ran mc.sql, and it executed the line GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv"; it changed the config

[07:12:14]

sphery:

so you may need to reset the password

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tralph:

that password isn't working now :|

[07:13:09]

tralph:

you think that mysql < mc.sql could have screwed something up?

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sphery:

try using mythtv as the password

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sphery:

since mc.sql sets the password as I mentioned above

[07:13:56]

tralph:

wow... you are right

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billiard_junkee:

I think that I had a similar problem setting up last night tralph

[07:14:09]

tralph:

how in the world did that happen

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sphery:

GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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sphery:

in mc.sql

[07:14:29]

tralph:

I was about to rip my hair out

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sphery:

just reset the password

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tralph:

sphery: would have been nice if the wiki and documentation would mention that :)

[07:15:59]

sphery:

it does

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sphery:

(almost--still typing)

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tralph:

hehe

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tralph:

I installed Mythbuntu and it sets a random mysql password for the mythtv user

[07:17:23]

tralph:

and even worse a totally unknown mysql password for the root user!

[07:17:45]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i figured out why it was taking 25 seconds to populate a list of videos in the fusefs thing

[07:17:47]

sphery:

I use a totally unknown mysql password for mysql root

[07:18:05]

sphery:

and totally unknown password for all my system roots (and it changes daily in a cron)

[07:18:15]

sphery:

wagnerrp: what was it?

[07:18:30]

wagnerrp:

the actual mysql call only takes about 0.05s (claimed by the command line client), and processing the data in python was only taking another 3 seconds

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tralph:

sphery: isn't that necessary if running mysql < mc.sql to know the root password?

[07:18:53]

wagnerrp:

the problem was when i was generating video objects, i was filling out the case, genre, and country data as well

[07:19:08]

wagnerrp:

so for some 3100 objects, i was running three sql queries each

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wagnerrp:

obviously something that needed to be fixed in the bindings

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sphery:

tralph: that's what http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1720203 is for

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sphery:

(though, really, if I only needed to run mc.sql, I could just run: mysqld_safe --user=mysql --init-file=/usr/local/share/mythtv/mc.sql 2>&1 > /dev/null

[07:22:05]

tralph:

sphery: thanks for help!

[07:22:22]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, that makes sense

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sphery:

tralph: heh, yeah--thanks for helping me find that the password change thing is causing issues for some

[07:23:25]

tralph:

sphery: wish someone else would have beat me to it :)

[07:23:36]

sphery:

when I'm more awake (and, likely when I can ask some *buntu users who know MySQL well, too), I'll ask about/post additional info on how to reset the password

[07:23:53]

sphery:

in the wiki, that is

[07:24:05]

tralph:

that would be helpful... this is not the first time I've fought with mysql

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bllz:

how to I set the fill to half by default?

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bllz:

i have to change it each time i change a channel

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tralph:

sphery: the database restore worked!

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sphery:

great!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: how does mythrename.pl handle identical paths?

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wagnerrp:

do latter just overwrite the former?

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sphery:

no, it adds a number to the name

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sphery:

so, like whatever.1.mpg

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Dassu:

oke.

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artus36:

good morning

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Dassu:

artus36: hello.

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artus36:

I have a question for mythtv 0.22 on Fedora 12

[07:58:56]

wagnerrp:

we can answer general mythtv questions in here

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wagnerrp:

ask and see if we can help

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artus36:

I have the wakeup set up manually and that works with /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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artus36:

I have it integrated in mythtv

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artus36:

the countdown starts ok but when 0 is reached the machine does not shutdown but starts again with the countdown of 300

[08:02:10]

artus36:

where can I see logs that help me?

[08:02:19]

artus36:

I am using mythwelcome -v all

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artus36:

but that does not show anything useful to me until now

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wagnerrp:

if youre using that, there are no logs

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wagnerrp:

it will print only to screen

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wagnerrp:

you either need to use '-l' or a redirect

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artus36:

wagnerrp: I have put the output to pastebin

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artus36:

it is from mythwelcome -v all

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artus36:

www.pastebin.org

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artus36:

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