| Thursday, December 17th, 2009, 00:01 UTC | ||
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| [00:02:11] | momelod: | greetings channel |
| [00:02:33] | momelod: | can anyone tell me if there is a bulk meta data updater that i can run from the command line? |
| [00:02:45] | kormoc: | JAMU |
| [00:03:08] | momelod: | ty |
| [00:03:29] | justinh: | see the wiki for detailed instructions |
| [00:03:38] | justinh: | you'll need it |
| [00:05:03] | defaultr0: | good evening folks, a friend gave me a remote control and an ir receiver. I connected it and was detected by kernel. I haven't loaded the lirc but it's already working. However, I only works for the numbers and arrow up/right/left/down. It's acting like a keyboard. How do I prevent this from happening since I can't use the Esc keys, pause, etc? |
| [00:05:46] | ** justinh mumbles something about lirc & input device handlers ** | |
| [00:05:55] | Dagmar: | That person was not your friend. |
| [00:06:00] | defaultr0: | hahaha |
| [00:06:03] | defaultr0: | why? |
| [00:06:22] | justinh: | because now you have to use google |
| [00:06:36] | defaultr0: | :) I did and can't find anything related to ATI THeater |
| [00:06:46] | justinh: | you're kidding, right? |
| [00:06:50] | defaultr0: | no |
| [00:06:53] | defaultr0: | i am serious |
| [00:07:07] | defaultr0: | it returned capture cards |
| [00:07:26] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:07:31] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/search?q=lirc+ati+theater |
| [00:07:35] | justinh: | I just tried 'ati remote'. returned plenty results which look pretty relevant |
| [00:08:14] | defaultr0: | this is what I tried, ati theater remote control mythtv |
| [00:08:40] | defaultr0: | cool, let me rad |
| [00:08:41] | defaultr0: | read |
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| [00:09:44] | wagnerrp: | why would you ddos freenode.... i mean they dont do anything that possibly could piss someone off |
| [00:09:50] | paperclip: | I think i have the same IR dongle.. |
| [00:10:03] | paperclip: | shows up as USB HID |
| [00:10:30] | wagnerrp: | unless youre talking about some petulant child who got banned from a specific channel, and has no recourse but to punish everyone by taking down the whole network |
| [00:10:53] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no accounting for mad grudges |
| [00:11:07] | defaultr0: | you know, I won't spend time figuring out a solution. I'll just buy another one that's easier to setup. I actually posted a question here asking what for a remote control but didn't get a response(people sleeping since it was too late). What brand would you guys recommend? |
| [00:11:37] | justinh: | MCE remote kit |
| [00:11:58] | defaultr0: | cool |
| [00:12:02] | defaultr0: | checking newegg |
| [00:12:07] | justinh: | despite thr branding they actually work very well & are recommended by many |
| [00:12:36] | defaultr0: | cool |
| [00:12:43] | defaultr0: | any suggestion from this link, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
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| [00:13:12] | justinh: | you want us to pay as well? |
| [00:13:16] | defaultr0: | :) |
| [00:13:35] | defaultr0: | I don't want to buy something that will not work. Looking for something that have tried already |
| [00:13:52] | defaultr0: | let me do more research |
| [00:14:54] | defaultr0: | found it, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
| [00:15:05] | defaultr0: | i wish they had something that's rectangular in shape |
| [00:16:16] | defaultr0: | so do you think my problem right now is the remote control? Would that mean I can keep the receiver that is connected? It's also ATI Theater and is detected as Philips. |
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| [00:18:12] | justinh: | is it IR or RF? |
| [00:18:18] | defaultr0: | i think it's IR |
| [00:19:09] | defaultr0: | it looks exactly like this, not the remote control, http://www.mediaatlantic.com/shopimages/produ . . . Receiver.jpg |
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| [00:19:44] | kormoc: | they tend to ship as a kit |
| [00:20:10] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [00:20:33] | _abbenormal: | hey guys how do i check on guide info from an offair service ie local channels to see if it is getting any guide doesnt show anything for listings |
| [00:20:49] | defaultr0: | it really looks very similar to the pic I posted although mine here has an ATI Theater Video text below the circle |
| [00:21:37] | justinh: | could be an mceusb2 |
| [00:21:45] | defaultr0: | that's the module I loaded |
| [00:22:08] | defaultr0: | actually, even without the module, the remote still works |
| [00:22:13] | defaultr0: | it's really weird |
| [00:22:30] | defaultr0: | it's really acts like a keyboard |
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| [00:22:51] | momelod: | w00t jamu is awesome |
| [00:22:52] | justinh: | thats cos it's acting like a keyboard |
| [00:22:54] | Josh_: | Hmm. |
| [00:23:00] | defaultr0: | yep |
| [00:23:16] | defaultr0: | so I am not sure if that ir receiver is the culprit |
| [00:23:23] | Josh_: | "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?" – I get that error, but mythweb shows all encoders "not recording" |
| [00:24:08] | defaultr0: | anyways, I look for an mce from our wiki |
| [00:24:35] | kormoc: | Josh_restart the backend |
| [00:24:59] | Josh_: | kormoc, That will fix the problem, but it's happening quite frequently. |
| [00:26:45] | defaultr0: | I have another problem and it's about audio. I rescanned in mythvideo and all my old entries were deleted in videometadata. It's now using the internal player. I can play and hear them. However, I have some mp4 and mov files like Transformer/Terminator that when I play it with mplayer, the LFE can be felt really bad. But when I play them with mythtv, LFE isn't there other channels are. What could I be missing? |
| [00:27:33] | justinh: | mov files? who *willingly* converts their DVDs to mov?! |
| [00:27:52] | defaultr0: | these are just trailers I downloaded |
| [00:28:17] | defaultr0: | I already bought bluray of terminator and this weekend terminator 2 |
| [00:28:34] | defaultr0: | but was hoping I can get LFE working again in .22 |
| [00:28:39] | justinh: | my money's on you using analogue audio. can't be of any help to you there |
| [00:29:03] | defaultr0: | analog but am using toslink wire and passthrough |
| [00:29:20] | justinh: | shouldn't happen if passthru is working properly |
| [00:29:27] | justinh: | ergo, it ain't working properly |
| [00:29:29] | defaultr0: | yep, it's really weird |
| [00:29:57] | justinh: | I wish software decoding would go away. it's a PITA |
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| [00:30:04] | justinh: | *of audio I mean |
| [00:30:10] | defaultr0: | yep |
| [00:30:15] | defaultr0: | even hardware does it too |
| [00:30:20] | defaultr0: | they have to decode it |
| [00:30:25] | defaultr0: | like DTS MA |
| [00:30:37] | justinh: | yeah but hw generally does a good job of it out of the box |
| [00:30:41] | justinh: | no fiddling |
| [00:30:50] | justinh: | suspect your 'max ' of channels' is set wrong |
| [00:30:56] | justinh: | missed out a # there |
| [00:31:06] | defaultr0: | yep. I love my pioneer bdp-320, I'm using the analog outs directed to my receiver |
| [00:31:15] | defaultr0: | max of channels is set to 5.1 |
| [00:31:29] | defaultr0: | i'll check again |
| [00:31:32] | justinh: | that would be the only way myth is messing with the digital audio |
| [00:31:43] | defaultr0: | maybe, I only modified the new machine. I have to check my old machine |
| [00:31:58] | defaultr0: | so looks like I haven't done any changes on the old machine :) brb |
| [00:34:29] | hipitihop: | Can someone quickly brief me on what is involved getting vdaup going ? does it also mean I need to use groups |
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| [00:39:37] | kormoc: | check out the migration guide in the wiki? |
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| [00:47:30] | defaultr0: | justinh, you're right. It's fixed. :) It was set to stereo. The machine that I modified was the new one. |
| [00:47:38] | defaultr0: | so forgot the old one |
| [00:48:05] | defaultr0: | the LFE on Transformers 2 is quite insane |
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| [00:50:21] | defaultr0: | question about mythvideo, can I have some files played by internal player and some played by external player? |
| [00:50:48] | defaultr0: | it's because when I rescanned last night, everything got wiped out. All my mplayer playcommands are gone |
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| [00:51:11] | wagnerrp: | only if you use local access |
| [00:51:19] | wagnerrp: | external players and storage groups dont mix |
| [00:51:23] | defaultr0: | oh |
| [00:51:30] | defaultr0: | I created SG last night |
| [00:51:47] | defaultr0: | I'll have to experiment on it again |
| [00:52:22] | defaultr0: | wagnerrp, I'm not sure if you saw my message yesterday. I got the SG working! It's totally awesome!!! |
| [00:52:49] | defaultr0: | i can now watch my local videos stored on backend over at the remote machine |
| [00:54:03] | defaultr0: | i just noticed though on mythvideo even on the backend machine, when I forward, there is a delay of 2–3 seconds before it forwards it. When I was using mlayer, it would forward like at the time of pressing |
| [00:54:27] | defaultr0: | s/mlayer/mplayer/ |
| [00:55:06] | defaultr0: | is there any setting I need to change? |
| [00:57:49] | wagnerrp: | you may need to generate a skip list if ff/rew is misbehaving |
| [00:58:05] | wagnerrp: | see the command line arguments for mythcommflag on how to do that |
| [00:59:04] | defaultr0: | k |
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| [01:02:37] | bllz: | I'm trying to rewrite this script (http://paste.ubuntu.com/343148/) for my DTA, which uses the same codes, but doesn't need an Ok to be sent. i commented out lines 14–16, and that "works" except that myth won't stop tuning to the channel I pick. I don't know jack about scripting so I could really use some help =) |
| [01:03:08] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean 'wont stop'? |
| [01:03:13] | wagnerrp: | like it gets caught in a loop? |
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| [01:03:54] | bllz: | wagnerp: yeah. the only reason i hesitate to call it a loop is because I can break it by hitting the stop button on my remote a few times |
| [01:03:59] | bllz: | so it's not an infinite loop |
| [01:04:05] | bllz: | but yeah, i guess it's definitely a loop |
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| [01:05:53] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing in there that would get the script caught in a loop |
| [01:06:50] | bllz: | wagnerrp: hmm.... the interesting thing is taht I get similar behavior sometimes if I punch in the numbers and hit ok when I have the STB hooked u[ |
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| [01:06:59] | bllz: | this script was written for the stb, btw |
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| [01:09:32] | bllz: | wait... wtf? |
| [01:09:34] | bllz: | it works now? |
| [01:09:52] | bllz: | oh for fuck's sake... as much as I love mythtv, it's going to kill me one day =) |
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| [01:19:12] | defaultr0: | ah, this is exactly the same behaviour I'm experiencing with the remote. And especially when the person mentioned VisionTek, I'm pretty my friend got it from one of his VisionTek products since he works for VisionTek. :) http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?showtopic=11126 |
| [01:20:08] | defaultr0: | even the VID PID id are the same |
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| [01:27:45] | defaultr0: | wow, one of the reviews inside say that this remote control worked for him :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 03-_-Product |
| [01:28:15] | defaultr0: | i just don't like there is a Windows logo, LOL |
| [01:28:52] | wagnerrp: | looks like my remote |
| [01:28:57] | wagnerrp: | what problem are you having? |
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| [01:30:34] | defaultr0: | my ir remote is acting like a keyboard |
| [01:30:46] | defaultr0: | even without the modules, lirc, it still works |
| [01:30:59] | wagnerrp: | well then theres nothing you can do |
| [01:31:00] | defaultr0: | when I press 0, the 0 displays on the console :) |
| [01:31:10] | defaultr0: | yep, that's why I'm going to buy a new one |
| [01:31:14] | wagnerrp: | just change the mythtv keybindings so it functions properly with what the remote does |
| [01:31:40] | defaultr0: | but problem is, the only keys that works is 1–9,0, up down right and left |
| [01:31:55] | defaultr0: | doesnt work with pause, play, esc, etc |
| [01:32:26] | defaultr0: | so what do you think about the remote control I found |
| [01:32:59] | wagnerrp: | http://blog.viridian-project.de/2008/10/02/hid-remotes-and-lirc/ |
| [01:33:16] | defaultr0: | k |
| [01:33:44] | defaultr0: | nice!!! :) |
| [01:34:00] | defaultr0: | hopefully it works for me :D |
| [01:34:31] | wagnerrp: | its just going to be pulling the raw event codes out of those nodes, so you still have to set up your lircd.conf properly |
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| [01:36:14] | defaultr0: | yep |
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| [01:37:00] | defaultr0: | I've got 5 Handlers to work on :) |
| [01:37:27] | defaultr0: | found it :) it's event 6 |
| [01:39:30] | defaultr0: | does this mean that irw should be able to grab the signals? |
| [01:39:53] | wagnerrp: | if youve set up lircd.conf to handle them |
| [01:40:34] | defaultr0: | k |
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| [01:51:22] | defaultr0: | I think, I'll just buy a new one :) still didn't work. The irrecord wasn't capturing anything. http://pastebin.ca/1717704 |
| [01:51:31] | wagnerrp: | mode2 |
| [01:52:29] | defaultr0: | ok, let me try that |
| [01:53:34] | defaultr0: | none too |
| [01:53:58] | defaultr0: | ps ax|grep lirc, 29942 ? Ss 0:00 lircd -Hdev/input -d/dev/input/event6 -o/dev/lircd --pidfile=/var/run/lircd.pid |
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| [02:04:59] | pgee: | hey all. i am hoping to get some help . ne1 on line ? |
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| [02:10:49] | pgee: | exit |
| [02:10:57] | pgee: | ? |
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| [02:11:38] | pgee: | hi all i was hoping to get some help is ne1 on line ? |
| [02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | pgee: thats not how this works |
| [02:12:16] | wagnerrp: | you ask your question |
| [02:12:28] | wagnerrp: | if someone is around AND can help, they respong |
| [02:12:54] | _abbenormal: | wished it did huh wagnerrp |
| [02:13:08] | pgee: | ok. i have a hvr 1700 card. used these instructions: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700 i can see it in /dev/ but it wont tune in mythtv. |
| [02:13:35] | pgee: | i have a usb dvb device, that works on the ariel with the same settings. |
| [02:14:15] | wagnerrp: | you see it as /dev/dvb/adapter0? |
| [02:14:17] | pgee: | in the post http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700 the author states: "You may need to add an offset to your tansponder frequencies (+166KHz) in order to tune properly though. " but i dont know how to do this. |
| [02:14:22] | pgee: | wagnerrp yes. |
| [02:14:35] | pgee: | i also have a dev/db/adapter1 (the usb one) |
| [02:17:15] | pgee: | so, the card is visible to mythtv, and it tries to tune, but i finds no channels. whereas the usb device with the same ariel cable can tune in channels. |
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| [02:18:48] | brad_: | hi |
| [02:19:28] | _abbenormal: | hello |
| [02:19:34] | brad_: | I have dish tv and I was wondering about a setup |
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| [02:20:23] | brad_: | I got an pvr-150 coming in the mail and I want to be able to change channels |
| [02:21:08] | _abbenormal: | you will have to setup and use your remote you use now to change channels and feed the source to the pvr |
| [02:21:30] | brad_: | I have a dish satelite |
| [02:21:35] | wagnerrp: | no.... you set up an ir blaster to change channels on the STB |
| [02:21:35] | _abbenormal: | record what you want on the pvr |
| [02:21:46] | brad_: | how will i be able to chane channels? |
| [02:21:53] | wagnerrp: | you dont do anything on the STB with your remote |
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| [02:22:24] | brad_: | how hard is it to setup an ir blaster? |
| [02:23:53] | brad_: | ?? |
| [02:24:20] | iamlindoro: | relax |
| [02:24:31] | iamlindoro: | this is not comcast support, your answers come when they come |
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| [02:25:17] | brad_: | I just dont understand how to set up an ir blaster |
| [02:25:57] | iamlindoro: | I realize that. but sixty seconds is pretty short to start with the obnoxious "??" stuff |
| [02:26:08] | brad_: | sorry |
| [02:27:38] | iamlindoro: | Setting up an IR blaster can be very hard, or very easy, depending on your level of familiarity with linux, and the common or uncommonness of the hardware you use |
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| [02:28:46] | iamlindoro: | IF you are new to linux, use uncommon hardware, and/or a distro without simplified setup for LIRC, then you may have a tough time. If you use a myth distro, common hardware, and/or know linux well, it could be simple for you. |
| [02:29:25] | pgee: | iamlindoro hey, i am new to this channel, and new to the etiquette. do people tend to scan thru earlier posts when they come back to the channel then answer questions hours later? |
| [02:30:07] | iamlindoro: | pgee, Those of us this experience (and thus those likely to give correct answers) tend to, yes |
| [02:30:11] | iamlindoro: | er us with |
| [02:30:25] | pgee: | thanks. |
| [02:30:30] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:31:42] | brad_: | maybe I could auto tune using the satelitte to change channels |
| [02:33:27] | brad_: | I wonder if that would work |
| [02:33:47] | iamlindoro: | No idea what that is meant to mean-- if you want to use myth with Dish, you will need to use an IR blaster |
| [02:33:51] | iamlindoro: | only shoice |
| [02:33:54] | iamlindoro: | er choice |
| [02:34:52] | brad_: | could I auto tune using my satelitte to have it change a channel at a certain time |
| [02:35:05] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:35:08] | iamlindoro: | you can use an IR blaster |
| [02:35:51] | pgee: | brad_ so do you want the sat. box to go into the pvr150 to work with mythtv, then change the channels on the sat box. using mythtv ? |
| [02:35:56] | brad_: | Im only neeeding to use myth tv to record not watch tv at this time |
| [02:36:09] | ctmjr: | brad_: to record tv mythtv needs to be able to change the channel on the stb, so you have to use an ir blaster |
| [02:36:11] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter. Myth still needs to be able to change the channels, which means using an IR blaster |
| [02:36:42] | brad_: | pgee: yes |
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| [02:38:51] | brad_: | I just want to record and not watch live tv but the satelitte will be able to change the channel at the set time |
| [02:40:19] | iamlindoro: | Answer remains the same |
| [02:40:55] | brad_: | but my sat box is in another room |
| [02:41:11] | iamlindoro: | So Sat box needs to move, or backend needs to be build next to sat box |
| [02:41:44] | brad_: | i cant move it |
| [02:42:04] | iamlindoro: | Then you need to build the backend next to it |
| [02:42:18] | brad_: | what? |
| [02:42:46] | iamlindoro: | The backend, which is the portion of MythTV that does the recording, needs to be physically connected to the source of the signal, ie your Set Top Box |
| [02:42:59] | brad_: | oh |
| [02:43:09] | iamlindoro: | whether you build the backend machine next to the set top box, move the set top box, or use extremely long cabling, the fact remains the same |
| [02:43:25] | brad_: | what about just using manual recording like a vcr |
| [02:43:45] | pgee: | brad_ if you do that why do you need mythtv ? |
| [02:43:47] | iamlindoro: | What about it? a) that defeats the purpose of MythTV, and b) you still need to physically connect the two |
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| [02:44:15] | brad_: | I just want to record |
| [02:44:37] | iamlindoro: | then you JUST NEED TO CONNECT THE TWO |
| [02:44:59] | iamlindoro: | There is no voodoo, under any DVR software or operating system, by which you will ever excape that fact |
| [02:44:59] | pgee: | iamlindoro be more clear. :-) |
| [02:45:04] | brad_: | I will have a cable from the satelitte coming to my capture card |
| [02:45:34] | iamlindoro: | brad_, if you are just doing "dumb" recording, you shouldn't set up MythTV |
| [02:45:43] | iamlindoro: | cat /dev/video# > file.mpg |
| [02:45:44] | iamlindoro: | done |
| [02:46:00] | brad_: | what other program should I use |
| [02:46:10] | iamlindoro: | <iamlindoro> cat /dev/video# > file.mpg |
| [02:46:14] | Dagmar: | You would be better served by simply getting the cheese grater from the kitchen and dragging it repeatedly across your nipples than to use Myth for that |
| [02:46:57] | ctmjr: | brad_: use mencoder if you just want to record tv |
| [02:47:21] | brad_: | can I set a certain time? |
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| [02:47:30] | wagnerrp: | through cron, yes |
| [02:47:51] | iamlindoro: | Good lord, just set up the IR blaster and be done with it |
| [02:48:29] | brad_: | STB is far away and I dont want to move it |
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| [02:48:39] | iamlindoro: | drill a hole through the wall, build a very small quiet backend, whatever |
| [02:49:07] | ctmjr: | iamlindoro: it would be so much easier |
| [02:50:18] | brad_: | nah what other simple programs are their? |
| [02:50:33] | iamlindoro: | brad_, If you're not using Myth, you're off topic for this channel |
| [02:50:37] | iamlindoro: | go ask in #v4l |
| [02:50:55] | iamlindoro: | It's not the Myth channel's job to advise you on alternatives to Myth |
| [02:51:02] | wagnerrp: | brad_: as mentioned... 'cat', cant get much simpler than that |
| [02:51:27] | wagnerrp: | and youre STILL going to have to figure out a way to control the STB (ir blaster) |
| [02:53:05] | pgee: | wagnerrp out of interest, can mythtv record the composite/svideo input on pvr cards ? |
| [02:53:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [02:53:34] | ** pgee . ** | |
| [02:53:48] | ** pgee thinks he needs to RTFM about that. ** | |
| [02:54:01] | wagnerrp: | v4l devices present a list of interfaces they provide |
| [02:54:09] | wagnerrp: | myth just understands how to switch between them |
| [02:54:30] | wagnerrp: | if you got a card, it will list the inputs somewhere in sysfs |
| [02:54:59] | pgee: | ok. so could it be possible that my card does not support that functionality? |
| [02:55:29] | wagnerrp: | youre using a DVB device, completely independent of v4l |
| [02:55:51] | wagnerrp: | (dvb is digital, v4l analog) |
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| [02:56:38] | pgee: | thanks for clearing that up .... linux drivers don't support analogue on my card HVR1700 |
| [02:56:57] | wagnerrp: | thats the dvb version of the 1850? |
| [02:57:26] | wagnerrp: | looks like it |
| [02:57:49] | pgee: | info is here:http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700 |
| [02:57:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:58:56] | pgee: | wagnerrp do you know what adding an offset to transponder frequencies means ? and how to do it ? |
| [02:59:11] | wagnerrp: | i believe mythtv can do that with the 'fine tune' attribute |
| [02:59:20] | wagnerrp: | but ive never used it |
| [03:00:26] | pgee: | thanks. i will look into it when i go home. |
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| [03:04:53] | brad_: | If i use the command line can i pick a time |
| [03:05:15] | pgee: | brad_ open terminal type man cron |
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| [03:05:24] | iamlindoro: | brad_, this is a warning. If you're not going to use Myth, enough. |
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| [03:09:01] | brad_: | I will manual record thta will work right? |
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| [03:16:05] | rcampbel: | having issue with sound in mame from myth in ubuntu 9.10 — presumably because myth disables pulseaudio... right? Can I prepend my emulator command with something to re-enable pulseaudio? |
| [03:16:55] | [R]: | why not just tell mame not to use pulse |
| [03:17:34] | rcampbel: | [R]: it snaps crackles and pops with alsa |
| [03:18:28] | [R]: | sounjds like its not configured properly |
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| [03:19:41] | rcampbel: | common problem on ubuntu forums. solution is to use pulse for sound |
| [03:19:46] | rcampbel: | works fine outside myth |
| [03:19:57] | rcampbel: | hangs when exec'ed inside myth |
| [03:20:26] | [R]: | wow |
| [03:20:30] | [R]: | thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard of |
| [03:20:33] | [R]: | sounds like its a piece of garbage |
| [03:20:53] | rcampbel: | if by it you mean pulseaudio, then I agree |
| [03:21:06] | [R]: | no i mean whatever you trying to use |
| [03:21:20] | rcampbel: | or if you mean it as in mythtv disabling pulse and pretending it doesn't exist, I agree |
| [03:21:38] | [R]: | pulse is crap |
| [03:21:43] | [R]: | so of course myth is gonna disable it |
| [03:22:45] | Dagmar: | rcampbel: Honestly, for what Myth is doing, Pulse isn't bringing anything to the table but added complexity. |
| [03:22:52] | Dagmar: | ...and ALSA has already enough of that. |
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| [03:23:34] | rcampbel: | well, okay... sdlmame... using standard sdl sound... I have a bazillion choices of libsdl1.2debian$SOUND_SUBSYSTEM |
| [03:23:46] | rcampbel: | but the one the works is pulse |
| [03:24:06] | rcampbel: | unless sdlmame is execed from myth |
| [03:24:40] | rcampbel: | so I either need to hack pulse out completely — getting harder every ubuntu version |
| [03:24:43] | Dagmar: | You probably don't _need_ a sound server. |
| [03:25:42] | rcampbel: | perhaps, but isn't ubuntu 9.10 even using pulse for straight alsa sound calls now? |
| [03:25:49] | Dagmar: | ALSA's dmix solves the same problems Pulseaudio does |
| [03:26:05] | [R]: | i dont use pulse on my 9.10 |
| [03:26:12] | [R]: | i dont even have it installed |
| [03:26:15] | Dagmar: | Not unless they've managed to teach Pulse how to use the sound cards directly |
| [03:26:27] | Dagmar: | It routes _through_ ALSA anyway |
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| [03:28:09] | rcampbel: | frustrating... I like some aspects of pulse, just wish it was low latency like jackd, and wish it hadn't lost developer momentum. |
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| [03:35:45] | rcampbel: | getting rid of pulse is becoming a nightmare on ubuntu – http://n2.nabble.com/Re-Ubuntu-s-switch-to-pu . . . tml#a3886061 |
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| [03:37:08] | achandra: | hello all, been fighting a glitching issue on my hd-pvr. I've turned off sound, I have an athlon x2 with well over 4gb of memory as well. Can someone assist in resolving this annoying little issue? |
| [03:37:21] | [R]: | achandra: glitching issue? |
| [03:38:19] | achandra: | [R] From the logs, its that generic NULL pause issue...and ive been through the guide and disabled the sound and tried some other things like setting tv display to normal or even slim...no luck |
| [03:40:34] | [R]: | "that generic null pause issue"? |
| [03:41:07] | [R]: | you still havent said what "glitching" issue you are talking aout |
| [03:44:50] | achandra: | [R] Sure....when watching tv, be it in 1080p mode or other wise, there is a *pause* or *glitch* in the video every second or so |
| [03:45:23] | [R]: | sounds like your cpu can't handle the video |
| [03:45:46] | [R]: | and the hdpvr can't do 1080p |
| [03:46:21] | achandra: | woops that 1080i |
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| [03:48:30] | rcampbel: | achandra: what OS/mythtv version/video card/driver version/video rendering option/average cpu load during these events? |
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| [03:49:27] | wagnerrp: | if youre running full bitrate (13.5mbps) chances are that no stock athlon x2 will be fast enough to properly decode |
| [03:49:50] | wagnerrp: | if youre using VDPAU, there have been issues with speedstepped processors (and busses) being insufficient for playback |
| [03:50:16] | achandra: | rcampbel, mythbuntu9.1, radeon hd 4850 (xorg is setup for proper acceleration), setup on "normal" mode for tv, and the cpu load does show at 100% |
| [03:50:32] | rcampbel: | btw: anyone else notice that VDPAU for rendering disables the video auto-resize? |
| [03:50:50] | wagnerrp: | there is no acceleration on the 4850... unless youre talking about basic Xv |
| [03:50:53] | [R]: | rcampbel: what video auto-resize |
| [03:51:20] | iamlindoro: | rcampbel, It's only supported with software decode |
| [03:51:20] | rcampbel: | achandra:[R] Adjust fill – auto-detect |
| [03:51:34] | wagnerrp: | achandra: youve got three options.... overclock/upgrade your processor |
| [03:51:39] | wagnerrp: | get a proper video card |
| [03:51:43] | wagnerrp: | or drop the bitrate on the hdpvr |
| [03:51:44] | rcampbel: | iamlindoro: that sucks :( |
| [03:52:29] | achandra: | wagnerrp, is there a video card you recommend? |
| [03:52:43] | wagnerrp: | anything nvidia |
| [03:53:06] | rcampbel: | ahem... anything better than a nvidia about 8500 so you can use vdpau |
| [03:53:13] | wagnerrp: | or you can try your hand at implementing a VAAPI renderer to mythtv |
| [03:53:22] | achandra: | rcampbel, where is that done? — aka location to set that? |
| [03:53:33] | wagnerrp: | anything 8-series or better (excluding G80 chips) can use VDPAU |
| [03:53:53] | wagnerrp: | the 8600+/9500+/220+ is only necessary for 2x advanced deint |
| [03:54:01] | wagnerrp: | at 1080i |
| [03:54:27] | mchou: | there are much cheaper alternatives |
| [03:54:39] | rcampbel: | in other words, everyone here has a pretty new Nvidia graphics card :) |
| [03:54:59] | mchou: | WD TV live retails for about $120 |
| [03:55:26] | wagnerrp: | and just replacing the video card will cost you ~$30 |
| [03:55:27] | mchou: | decodes blu-ray |
| [03:55:48] | achandra: | rcampbel, its a recent purchase, so if i cant make the radeon fly, Ill return it to Best Buy |
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| [03:56:11] | mchou: | bah, worst buy |
| [03:56:41] | achandra: | yeah we'll see how their bloody restocking fee thing goes |
| [03:56:47] | achandra: | or not..... |
| [03:57:15] | achandra: | rcampbel, can you point me to the correct setting you mentioned earlier for auto-detect |
| [03:57:17] | achandra: | ? |
| [03:57:28] | mchou: | cant believe worst buy is pretty much the only B&M retailer around |
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| [04:00:06] | rcampbel: | it's in mythtv setup menus – adjust fill – ON – that's for getting rid of black bars/boxes |
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| [04:04:52] | [R]: | my 709 is showing up after 767... at the very end of my channel list... does anyone know how i can fix that? |
| [04:06:00] | rcampbel: | achandra: in ubuntu under /system/administration/hardware drivers ... does it suggest a better video driver? |
| [04:08:41] | achandra: | rcampbel, yeah but its that horrible fglrx stuff that has more than one time rendered the box useless due to the way it deals with xorg.conf |
| [04:09:01] | achandra: | rcampbel, i decided to go with the open drivers |
| [04:09:11] | rcampbel: | the open drivers = 100% cpu |
| [04:09:16] | rcampbel: | = stuttering |
| [04:10:12] | achandra: | ill give it a try again... and may even hang out in #radeon for hours i suspect trying to fix the display ;) |
| [04:10:38] | achandra: | or go return the card and buy one that works ;) |
| [04:11:15] | mchou: | achandra: give up on the radeon man |
| [04:11:27] | mchou: | achandra: it is not worth the trouble |
| [04:12:01] | achandra: | mchou, im thinking the same thing..if the box comes up with no X...thats the final straw to go return the biatch |
| [04:12:18] | mchou: | bah |
| [04:12:35] | achandra: | mchou, i hadnt realized..that the amd/ati sucked so bad these days |
| [04:12:37] | mchou: | the "problem" is that it will come up with X |
| [04:12:54] | mchou: | and when you do anything "advanced" then it falls down |
| [04:13:21] | achandra: | mchou, yep i hear you |
| [04:13:26] | mchou: | that only leads to frustration |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | dont confuse ATI vs. AMD |
| [04:14:15] | mchou: | ATI has always sucked on linux |
| [04:14:24] | mchou: | AMD is another story |
| [04:14:49] | mchou: | AMD used in the processor sense |
| [04:15:33] | achandra: | mchou, broken X as predicted..time to pull the biatch out and return tomorrow |
| [04:15:46] | achandra: | mchou, final and last ATI purchase ever.... |
| [04:16:00] | achandra: | god that is frustrating as all fsck |
| [04:16:38] | ** achandra *carefully* he he pulls card out of machine and returns to orginal packing box ** | |
| [04:16:59] | mchou: | give it a good zap :) |
| [04:17:24] | mchou: | walk across the carpet |
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| [04:50:45] | simcop2387: | is it possible to have mythfrontend execute a command (specifically; xset force dpms off) when a recording is done playing? |
| [04:51:14] | wagnerrp: | not at current, but specifically in that case, why would you want to? |
| [04:52:01] | wagnerrp: | oh, done playing, not done recording |
| [04:52:32] | [R]: | well set the timeout to like 1 minute |
| [04:52:42] | wagnerrp: | theres some pre/post-roll stuff one of the guys in here whipped up for his X10 lighting |
| [04:53:00] | wagnerrp: | but supposedly one of the devs is working on a real event system |
| [04:53:33] | simcop2387: | neat |
| [04:53:54] | simcop2387: | be nice for my computer in the bedroom then (no dedicated remote, stupid single serial port...) |
| [04:54:46] | wagnerrp: | 'clapper' on the monitor? |
| [04:55:06] | wagnerrp: | or just get a remote |
| [04:55:17] | wagnerrp: | or one of those long keyboard extensions |
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| [05:01:14] | bllz: | If i make make more storage groups, will the files contained therein be accessible in the default smb share? |
| [05:01:38] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [05:01:53] | wagnerrp: | smb is completely detached from anything mythtv |
| [05:02:01] | bllz: | oh crap, right. i'm on mythbuntu |
| [05:02:04] | bllz: | so this isn't the right channel |
| [05:02:05] | bllz: | my bad |
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| [05:11:11] | cecil: | simcop2387: why not just setup a screen saver and have it manage power? |
| [05:11:46] | wagnerrp: | i thought myth would disable dpms for the duration of playback |
| [05:13:10] | [R]: | it does |
| [05:13:46] | cecil: | right |
| [05:14:08] | cecil: | when the frontend isn't active, after X period of time the screensaver will kick it |
| [05:14:33] | cecil: | just configure screensaver to shutoff the "tv" |
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| [05:16:51] | bllz: | this is slightly offtopic, but is there a way to span volumes across multiple disks post-installation? |
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| [05:17:07] | clever: | bllz: LVM, raid, storage groups |
| [05:17:08] | wagnerrp: | as in LVM? |
| [05:17:20] | bllz: | clever, wagnerrp: yeah as in LVM |
| [05:17:25] | wagnerrp: | generally, you dont bother with LVM or RAID |
| [05:17:41] | wagnerrp: | rather letting storage groups access each disk and filesystem independently |
| [05:17:46] | wagnerrp: | just add multiple folders |
| [05:17:54] | wagnerrp: | and myth will load balance between them |
| [05:18:01] | clever: | yep, thats storage groups |
| [05:18:12] | bllz: | clever: my concern with storage groups is that I'm using mythbuntu and there are some nice SMB shares. I'm just worried that I won't be albe to access all my files if they're in different storage groups |
| [05:18:37] | wagnerrp: | bllz: you can access each as separate folders |
| [05:19:03] | wagnerrp: | considering you dont really want to be using myth's internal names anyway |
| [05:19:27] | wagnerrp: | the better option would be to use mythrename.pl to symlink everything into a separate folder with human readable names |
| [05:19:36] | wagnerrp: | and share that separate folder |
| [05:19:36] | bllz: | wagnerrp: right, but that's less than ideal... i'm just in a bit of a tough spot because they aren't rolling out an alternate mythbuntu install cd for 9.10 |
| [05:19:39] | bllz: | but that's kind of OT |
| [05:20:00] | bllz: | wagnerrp: i admit i never got how symlinks worked... |
| [05:20:08] | bllz: | would you mind explaining that real quick? |
| [05:20:24] | wagnerrp: | the operating system dereferences the link when you access it |
| [05:20:33] | wagnerrp: | giving you the referenced file, rather than the link itself |
| [05:20:44] | bllz: | and this can be automated? |
| [05:20:59] | wagnerrp: | in the case of samba, as long as you have 'unix extensions' disabled, dereferencing is done on the server side |
| [05:21:02] | bllz: | so that when I drop a file in a share, it'll go to one of two storage groups? |
| [05:21:11] | wagnerrp: | and the links appear exactly as normal files would |
| [05:21:12] | bllz: | or am i missing the point? |
| [05:21:38] | wagnerrp: | this is for mythvideo storage groups? |
| [05:21:46] | bllz: | among others, yes |
| [05:21:54] | bllz: | mythvideo, mythmusic, mythpictures, and recordings |
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| [05:22:43] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo (until recently with storage groups), mythmusic, and mythpictures are best suited for a single large folder |
| [05:23:03] | wagnerrp: | and arguably since youre not doing any heavy writing, theres no reason not to run RAID on those kinds of things |
| [05:23:13] | wagnerrp: | but recordings are recommended to be kept in storage groups |
| [05:23:23] | wagnerrp: | on independent drives and filesystems |
| [05:26:22] | bllz: | wagnerrp: so i guess I could just put my recordings on one drive and everything else on the other... |
| [05:26:29] | bllz: | that woudl probably work |
| [05:27:35] | bllz: | hmm that would allow me to use a more suitable filesystem too... |
| [05:27:47] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to what? |
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| [05:28:16] | bllz: | xfs for videos or recordings |
| [05:28:24] | bllz: | ext4 anywhere i'll be dealing with small files and metadata |
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| [06:10:25] | achew22: | Is there a way to make X tell you if VDPAU is enabled other than playing back a video and watching it run well or suck? |
| [06:10:52] | wagnerrp: | what video card do you have? |
| [06:11:00] | clever: | achew22: if you play a video in mplayer, it will tell you what VO its using |
| [06:11:08] | achew22: | clever: is vdpau a VO? |
| [06:11:13] | clever: | in mplayer it is |
| [06:11:16] | clever: | vdpau > xv > x11 |
| [06:11:21] | achew22: | clever: Thanks |
| [06:11:43] | clever: | you also have to give -vc for things to work right, i find that just -vo vdpau makes it treat vdpau like any other vo |
| [06:11:52] | clever: | causing it to decode in cpu and then spew raw frames to vdpau |
| [06:12:07] | clever: | cat .mplayer/config |
| [06:12:17] | achew22: | DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -vc -vo vdpau 1020_20091216220000.mpg should do it, right? |
| [06:12:28] | clever: | you need to tell it what codec to use with -vc |
| [06:12:43] | clever: | -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpau, -vo vdpau, |
| [06:12:44] | wagnerrp: | im surprised xdpyinfo doesnt list anything |
| [06:12:50] | wagnerrp: | anyway... what video card? |
| [06:13:22] | clever: | the extra , i have at the end lets mplayer pick something else, if none of the listed ones work |
| [06:13:26] | achew22: | I know it has vdpau if that's what you're asking about |
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| [06:13:46] | wagnerrp: | yes, thats what im asking about, what card |
| [06:13:59] | wagnerrp: | people buy 8800GTSs and expect vdpau to work on them |
| [06:13:59] | achew22: | GeForce 8400 GS |
| [06:14:02] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [06:14:09] | clever: | if your missing the nvidia drivers, then even plain 2d (firefox and such) suck hard |
| [06:14:18] | achew22: | I had it working 3 days ago then I reinstalled |
| [06:14:22] | achew22: | now it barfs on HD |
| [06:14:41] | clever: | mplayer -vc ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffh264vdpau, -vo vdpau, 1020_20091216220000.mpg |
| [06:14:43] | achew22: | I set the playback profile to vdpau |
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| [06:15:23] | clever: | Forced video codec: ffh264vdpau |
| [06:15:23] | clever: | Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family |
| [06:15:23] | clever: | Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) |
| [06:15:44] | clever: | in this example, it failed all of the vdpau decoders (the box cant do it), and went with cpu decoding |
| [06:15:58] | achew22: | "VO: [vdpau] 704x480 => 704x528 MPEG2 VDPAU acceleration" that's a good sign |
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| [06:16:56] | clever: | yeah thats half of it:_ |
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| [06:17:24] | clever: | the other thing you need is a video codec with vdpau in the name |
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| [06:18:01] | achew22: | "Selected video codec: [ffmpeg12vdpau] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-1/2 (VDPAU))" is that the other thing it should have? |
| [06:18:10] | clever: | yep |
| [06:18:24] | clever: | should be working perfectly in that mplayer then |
| [06:18:25] | achew22: | Interestingly the video runs for a few sec. then freezes |
| [06:21:47] | clever: | i dont have my vdpau system here today, so i cant test it much |
| [06:22:16] | achew22: | Hrm. I just changed the video profile from vdpau high quality (or something like that) to regular vdpau. It now appears to work |
| [06:22:42] | clever: | the only real problem ive had with vdpau, is when i do normal -vo vdpau |
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| [06:22:54] | achew22: | I don't know why but it works and it appears to not be destroying my cpu so I'm okay with that |
| [06:23:02] | clever: | it decodes in CPU, then converts (in cpu) to a diff colorspace, and outputs via vdpau, sucking up alot more cpu:P |
| [06:23:18] | bllz: | I'm looking at my storage groups... what's the difference between Default (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings) and LiveTV (/var/lib/mythtv/livetv) ? |
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| [06:24:29] | bllz: | is livetv where the recorded television stream goes if it's not being recorded? |
| [06:24:47] | clever: | everything you see on mythtv is recored |
| [06:24:54] | bllz: | clever, i realize that |
| [06:25:07] | clever: | even 'live tv' is recorded to the disk drive (posibly in a special dir) and then played |
| [06:25:24] | bllz: | but my question is what the difference is between /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and /var/lib/mythtv/livetv |
| [06:25:32] | clever: | probly nothing |
| [06:25:42] | bllz: | i'm guessing that the latter is what is recorded to the disk for the purposes of live tv? |
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| [07:40:46] | bllz: | why is my program guide so sluggish? |
| [07:41:08] | bllz: | it takes like 10 seconds for the interface to respond to a button push... this usually doesn't happen (just reinstalled) |
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| [07:48:05] | justinh: | becuzz it's broked |
| [07:49:24] | bllz: | justinh, clearly |
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| [07:58:26] | justinh: | you didn't mention *which* programme guide. The livetv one, or the 'schedule recordings' one |
| [07:58:29] | justinh: | ? |
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| [08:01:32] | bllz: | justinh: the livetv oe |
| [08:01:33] | bllz: | *one |
| [08:01:34] | bllz: | sorry |
| [08:01:51] | bllz: | or wait... i wasn't aware taht there was a difference |
| [08:02:11] | bllz: | i thought the EPG was the EPG... |
| [08:02:42] | justinh: | the one with the iddy biddy video window is the livetv epg |
| [08:02:48] | bllz: | yes |
| [08:02:49] | bllz: | that one |
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| [08:03:04] | justinh: | could be that your video drivers suck, then |
| [08:03:13] | bllz: | no way. the last install worked fine |
| [08:03:21] | bllz: | and this was... a half hour ago lol |
| [08:03:28] | justinh: | last install – previous distro? |
| [08:03:31] | bllz: | nope |
| [08:03:37] | bllz: | 9.10 |
| [08:03:42] | justinh: | hmm with this rapid reinstall you are really impressing us |
| [08:03:44] | bllz: | i guess I'll just reinstall |
| [08:03:47] | bllz: | yeah |
| [08:03:56] | justinh: | yeah that'll fix it like it fixes all other linux problems |
| [08:04:04] | bllz: | well i just built the htpc and i reinstalled about 20 times in a row to make sure i was doing it right |
| [08:04:07] | iamlindoro: | pet peeve: When people give only an Ubuntu version as though it were the only thing people used |
| [08:04:09] | bllz: | (evidently i was not in this case) |
| [08:04:19] | bllz: | aah oops. i'm in mythtv-users |
| [08:04:26] | bllz: | lol sorry... i always forget which channel i'm in |
| [08:04:30] | justinh: | top tip: install windows 7. Use MCE |
| [08:04:32] | bllz: | but i'm using .22 |
| [08:04:50] | bllz: | justinh: lolno. not witht he bluescreens i've been getting on 7 |
| [08:04:53] | justinh: | if you think reinstalling is going to solve anything you should be using windows |
| [08:05:11] | bllz: | justinh: well given that the last 10 installations worked fine, i assume it will |
| [08:05:17] | justinh: | so. if it worked better before ask yourself what you've done differently this time |
| [08:05:22] | bllz: | i just wish i knew what caused this one to go wrong |
| [08:05:29] | justinh: | probably video drivers |
| [08:05:37] | bllz: | well that's just the thing... i really can't rfigure it out. i'm using the same video drivers and everything |
| [08:05:47] | justinh: | are you? absolutely sure? |
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| [08:05:53] | bllz: | positive |
| [08:06:02] | bllz: | the nvidia driver v185 |
| [08:06:19] | justinh: | installed, yes. but USING? |
| [08:06:30] | justinh: | not necessarily the same thing |
| [08:06:36] | bllz: | AFAIK. the nvida driver manager is installed, but i suppose that's a good point |
| [08:06:42] | bllz: | what's a quick way to verrify that? |
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| [08:08:00] | bllz: | yeah according to nvidia x server settings, i'm running 185.18.36 |
| [08:08:15] | bllz: | which unless a version came out within the last hour, is the same as the one I had before |
| [08:09:10] | bllz: | the only thing i did differently was to move the storage group for livetv to a different drive... but i don't see how that could be related |
| [08:14:57] | bllz: | ok whatever. i'm going to bed and i'll look at this again tomorrow |
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| [08:22:01] | justinh: | mmm 9.10. Nine point one oh. Tasty |
| [08:23:01] | justinh: | oh dear. Johnny Ball, big science/maths advocate from telly when I was a kid has come out as a climate change denier. People are screaming "heresy!" everywhere I look. So sad |
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| [08:27:33] | hpbox: | I have this one channel which is a line chart, black and white text. Anyone know what that is? |
| [08:28:17] | wagnerrp: | line chart? |
| [08:28:41] | oobe: | teletext |
| [08:28:42] | justinh: | screenshot ? |
| [08:28:43] | oobe: | ? |
| [08:28:55] | justinh: | as in .. let's see a screenshot |
| [08:29:28] | oobe: | what is screenshot? |
| [08:29:56] | justinh: | it's where you take a loaded gun & shoot it at your screen |
| [08:29:58] | justinh: | ffs |
| [08:30:36] | oobe: | i havent tried that but i heard elvis did |
| [08:30:41] | justinh: | anyway in all probability hpbox it's a test card of some sort. something you probably shouldn't be seeing |
| [08:31:10] | hpbox: | hpbox: I have a 5 second mpg of it |
| [08:31:23] | hpbox: | yeah I'll pastebin a screen shot.. |
| [08:34:02] | hpbox: | http://imagebin.ca/view/IGtwdeWR.html |
| [08:34:43] | hpbox: | I also get this channel over analog cable |
| [08:36:23] | mchou: | that's output from a network analyzer |
| [08:36:54] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:37:10] | mchou: | courtsey of your cable co |
| [08:37:22] | justinh: | a Tektronix one by the look of it |
| [08:37:31] | mchou: | no |
| [08:37:49] | justinh: | sigh. here we go again |
| [08:37:51] | mchou: | that's not textronix |
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| [08:51:29] | hpbox: | is it useful at all? |
| [08:54:12] | oobe: | possibly if you having reception problems |
| [08:54:20] | oobe: | but probably not |
| [08:54:38] | oobe: | im guessing its for tech support purposes |
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| [09:01:23] | ivor: | http://xkcd.com/676 i want the t-shirt. |
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| [09:14:58] | hpbox: | thanks |
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| [09:16:46] | mzb: | I'm trying to transcode movies to put on a cheap mp4 player |
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| [09:17:44] | mzb: | turns out I can get it perfect for my old "nuv" videos, but using the exact same method (mencoder) I'm unable to get the result to play |
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| [09:17:55] | mzb: | any suggestions? |
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| [09:19:06] | clever: | meek: what are the new files? |
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| [09:20:05] | clever: | mzb: oops |
| [09:20:28] | mzb: | avi |
| [09:20:43] | clever: | mzb: mythbackend is creating .avi files? |
| [09:20:49] | mzb: | no |
| [09:20:56] | mzb: | mencoder command |
| [09:21:30] | mzb: | so, for eg, I have two copies of the same video (from different recordings) |
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| [09:21:40] | mzb: | one is nuv, the other is mpeg |
| [09:22:01] | mzb: | a mencoded version of the nuv works, but the mencoded mpeg doesn't |
| [09:22:10] | mzb: | (using exactly the same command line) |
| [09:22:45] | clever: | ah |
| [09:22:52] | mzb: | I'd really like to add it as a user job if/when I get it working ... one of these players is for ${HER} |
| [09:22:54] | clever: | generaly, id expect nuv to cause more trouble |
| [09:23:39] | mzb: | (remember the ebay issues a few weeks ago? ... I found a way around it and ended up with 4x 16GB players for au$10 ea;) [delivered!]) |
| [09:23:51] | mzb: | *cackle* |
| [09:23:56] | mzb: | they _are_ cheap |
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| [09:24:03] | clever: | nice |
| [09:24:05] | mzb: | but seem to work ok |
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| [09:24:39] | eagle42: | Hi to all!! |
| [09:24:40] | clever: | my cellphones can play vid from SD chips, so ive basicaly got a free player already |
| [09:24:53] | mzb: | this one has a microSD slot |
| [09:25:11] | mzb: | (and FM radio and camera...etc) |
| [09:25:23] | mzb: | but firmware _very_ basic |
| [09:25:23] | clever: | half my MP3 players already have fm:P |
| [09:25:28] | mzb: | :) |
| [09:25:33] | clever: | yeah, firmware is often the problem |
| [09:26:00] | mzb: | I had hoped that she'd be able to use it with the camera I bought, but the player won't load the pics :| |
| [09:26:15] | mzb: | nm, put a few movies on it and she'll be happy |
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| [09:29:31] | mzb: | *if* I can convert them easily, that is ;) |
| [09:29:51] | clever: | i just installed mmplayer (i think) on the palm phone |
| [09:29:56] | clever: | it seems to handle pretty much anything |
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| [09:30:44] | mzb: | is showing the command line I'm using going to help? |
| [09:30:46] | ivor: | mzb: 1. whats the mencoder cmdline you're using? 2. have you run mplayer in verbose mode on each file to see if it shows up anything interesting in the headers? |
| [09:30:51] | ivor: | heh |
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| [09:32:01] | mzb: | 1 hang on |
| [09:32:04] | mzb: | 2 no |
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| [09:33:32] | mzb: | current line: |
| [09:33:40] | mzb: | (or latest, I should say) |
| [09:33:43] | mzb: | mencoder -really-quiet -noodml "$INFILE" -of avi -o "$OUTFILE" -ofps 20 -vf scale=320:180 -vf-add expand=:240 -srate 44100 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=400:max_bframes=0:quant_type=h263 -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=128:vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect=1 -ffourcc XVID4 2>/dev/null |
| [09:34:13] | mzb: | the reason I've scaled and padded is that it's a 16:9 video (Cars) |
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| [09:35:07] | clever: | mzb: try without -really-quiet |
| [09:35:13] | mzb: | I did (I think) also have bitrate at 300 ... but during testing I wondered if that was an issue |
| [09:35:27] | clever: | and try #2 from ivor |
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| [09:42:22] | eagle42: | i have a problem scanning channels DVB-T with the trunk versiono of mythtv |
| [09:42:35] | mzb: | first difference with verbose that I can see is "HAS_INDEX" (on the one that works) |
| [09:42:39] | eagle42: | could someone help me? tnx.. |
| [09:43:01] | eagle42: | i can generate the channels.conf with "scan" command |
| [09:43:52] | eagle42: | the test with tzap is ok. but when i acuire channels from channels.conf, mythtv-setup doesn' find any channel. |
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| [09:44:20] | eagle42: | i'm using Houppauge HVR-4000, on a debian based MythBox |
| [09:44:56] | eagle42: | if a try to scan from mythtv itself, the scan fail.... :-( |
| [09:45:00] | clever: | mzb: -forceidx ? |
| [09:45:07] | mzb: | hmm |
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| [09:46:26] | mzb: | thx clever, I'll give that a try ... takes a while, and then AGES to copy to the player|card |
| [09:46:52] | clever: | mzb: -endpos 30 |
| [09:46:59] | clever: | that will force it to only do 30 seconds of video |
| [09:47:03] | clever: | alot better for testing |
| [09:47:59] | mzb: | nope: MainAVIHeader.dwFlags: (2304) IS_INTERLEAVED TRUST_CKTYPE |
| [09:48:03] | mzb: | ah, good thinking |
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| [09:49:12] | mzb: | took -noodml out ... now: MainAVIHeader.dwFlags: (2320) HAS_INDEX IS_INTERLEAVED TRUST_CKTYPE |
| [09:49:16] | mzb: | *sigh* ;) |
| [09:49:41] | clever: | -noodml (-of avi only) |
| [09:49:41] | clever: | Do not write OpenDML index for AVI files >1GB. |
| [09:49:50] | clever: | ah, it turns the index off :P |
| [09:50:15] | mzb: | yep, resulting files are only a few hundred MB, though |
| [09:51:02] | justinh: | repeat after me: AVI sucks :) |
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| [09:51:41] | clever: | justinh: repeat after me, the firmware in the device sucks and probly cant handle mkv :P |
| [09:52:02] | mzb: | justinh, for $10 ea, I'm prepared to live with it ;) |
| [09:52:31] | mzb: | (and 75% of the problems aren't going to live here anyway;)) |
| [09:52:39] | clever: | mzb: something i was thinking, have your user job drop the files in /media/queue (or similar) |
| [09:52:56] | clever: | mzb: and then you could make a udev rule, to push those to the SD chip whenever you connect it (removing from the dir) |
| [09:52:56] | mzb: | um, where? |
| [09:53:04] | mzb: | different machine |
| [09:53:12] | justinh: | no mp4 support? |
| [09:53:18] | clever: | was just thinking of a way to transcode them to a queue directory |
| [09:53:18] | mzb: | but yes, something like that |
| [09:53:21] | mzb: | mp4? |
| [09:53:21] | justinh: | clever: I would probably never use mkv either |
| [09:53:25] | clever: | which is automaticaly pushed to the player whenever you connect |
| [09:53:32] | mzb: | yep |
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| [09:53:59] | mzb: | I'm currently doing xvid avi's ... aren't they mp4? |
| [09:54:00] | justinh: | mp4 could just be the xvid/divx file without the avi sucky container |
| [09:54:10] | mzb: | ah |
| [09:54:18] | clever: | the container has nothing to do with the codecs |
| [09:54:22] | mzb: | don't quite see how that's going to help |
| [09:54:28] | clever: | i could have divx in mkv |
| [09:54:30] | clever: | or h264 in avi |
| [09:54:56] | justinh: | nobody's saying AVI is a codec here. we're not slow |
| [09:55:18] | justinh: | I'm just pointing out (as usual) that as a container format, AVI sucks |
| [09:57:01] | mzb: | ok, that seems to play ok ... thanks for the assistance clever |
| [09:59:14] | justinh: | :-O |
| [09:59:23] | ** justinh frames mzb's last line ** | |
| [09:59:33] | justinh: | we may never see it again |
| [09:59:41] | clever: | justinh: that happens all the time, your just not in the right channels |
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| [10:00:18] | justinh: | this one is annoying enough thanks |
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| [10:01:15] | mzb: | thursdayitis? |
| [10:01:37] | mzb: | bitrate=300 seems ok too (for the 120 seconds I've done) |
| [10:06:23] | mzb: | massive difference in file size (so far) |
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| [10:20:09] | mzb: | gee, even 200 looks ok |
| [10:20:33] | mzb: | hmm ... marginal |
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| [10:28:07] | justinh: | and that's the end of the 'mythtv' search column in tweetdeck |
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| [10:46:34] | justinh: | lol. alphapulse is 'an exciting' effect? heh |
| [10:48:17] | justinh: | oh man. what kind of crud is this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-T |
| [10:48:26] | justinh: | ATSC DVB-T?! |
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| [11:02:50] | pgee: | hey all. i have a hvr1700. i followed these instructions. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700 i can see the device and the demsg log looks the same as the examples. i can't tune the device using mythtv. |
| [11:03:25] | pgee: | there is a statement on the wiki "You may need to add an offset to your tansponder frequencies (+166KHz) in order to tune properly though. " i don't know where this option is. |
| [11:04:00] | pgee: | i can confirm the antenna cable works. i already have mythtv working on the 9.10 box with a usb dvb dongle. |
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| [11:05:04] | justinh: | where does it say that? |
| [11:05:17] | justinh: | "You may need to add an offset to your tansponder frequencies (+166KHz) in order to tune properly though." |
| [11:05:26] | pgee: | justin on the link i posted. |
| [11:05:30] | justinh: | and you don't say where you are |
| [11:05:39] | pgee: | i am in australia |
| [11:05:53] | justinh: | you trying a full scan in mythtv-setup? |
| [11:06:03] | pgee: | yes. no channels were found. |
| [11:06:24] | justinh: | infact stop using mythtv-setup until you know the hardware is working in linux |
| [11:06:39] | justinh: | install dvb-apps & try the *scan* util |
| [11:07:48] | pgee: | trying now |
| [11:08:33] | eagle42: | mythtv scan system is really hard to use.... i've problem too, as i asked before... |
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| [11:08:56] | justinh: | no it isn't IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING |
| [11:09:16] | justinh: | whining about it won't make anybody help you |
| [11:09:25] | pgee: | well i got the scan to work with the usb dongle. wasn't a drama for me. just with the hvr 1700. |
| [11:09:30] | pgee: | it is giving my trouble.s |
| [11:09:34] | pgee: | brb |
| [11:09:38] | eagle42: | you can use scan, scan_s2 or w_scan |
| [11:09:39] | justinh: | try increasing timeout values |
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| [11:09:46] | justinh: | w_scan is awful |
| [11:09:54] | justinh: | takes about 3 years |
| [11:10:23] | eagle42: | sorry, i don't want to be misunderstood. |
| [11:11:01] | eagle42: | i "love" mythtv, and i use it since two year, but i always had problem with tuning.... |
| [11:11:02] | justinh: | you know what – if people don't report issues they find in software THEY WILL NEVER BE FIXED |
| [11:11:34] | justinh: | if you care enough to feel the need to comment... |
| [11:12:19] | c0p3rn1c is now known as copernic | |
| [11:12:43] | eagle42: | i work from years with linux. my first MythBox was a gentoo-box, and now i use to compile from sourse.. (i tell this only to show i'm not a dummy, even if it's always possible i make BIG errors) |
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| [11:13:10] | justinh: | and I'm saying if you have problems they won't ever be fixed if they never get reported |
| [11:14:07] | clever: | eagle42: i'm looking to switch from ubuntu->gentoo, anything i should look out for? |
| [11:14:26] | justinh: | clever: seriously? on your hardware? |
| [11:14:52] | clever: | justinh: ive already finished compiling together a bootable usb stick with mythtv |
| [11:15:03] | eagle42: | justinh: you are right...about reporting error. i use mythtv trac too. |
| [11:15:05] | clever: | but its a great deal newer then mythconverg, so letting it connect would bork my master backend |
| [11:15:14] | justinh: | look out for them needing you to update portage incessantly. if you miss too many world updates you can get well screwed over |
| [11:15:52] | clever: | justinh: ive updated from 2008->now without problems |
| [11:16:06] | clever: | that would be about as big of a miss you can get;P |
| [11:16:08] | eagle42: | i'm here just becouse my old TV Card wasn't good, and with the new HVR-4000 i soupposed everithing shoul be better |
| [11:16:54] | eagle42: | clever: i used to read all the Gwntoo-Wiki site, but since May it crashed down... |
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| [11:17:42] | clever: | yay |
| [11:17:45] | clever: | now i can talk freely:P |
| [11:17:51] | eagle42: | now they have a new one, with new pages, but the Gentoo wiki (when i use to see) was my first point of reference |
| [11:17:52] | clever: | eagle42: i can boot gentoo from a usb stick and then remove the stick |
| [11:18:15] | clever: | it gives a great performance boost |
| [11:18:26] | clever: | practicaly zero access times for everything |
| [11:18:49] | eagle42: | if you don't use kernel modules you are right |
| [11:18:59] | clever: | my / is a tmpfs |
| [11:19:15] | clever: | the entire thing is bootstrapped from a .tar when the initrd is in control |
| [11:19:27] | clever: | i am using some modules, but thats easily fixed |
| [11:19:37] | clever: | just using a tmpfs as / gives it a major speed boost |
| [11:20:24] | eagle42: | but gentoo is great, but hard to maintenace... with the new-fast-hardware maybe a debian is easier and fast |
| [11:20:36] | eagle42: | but do you have mythtv on that system? |
| [11:20:49] | clever: | i have the latest trunk installed on that usb stick, but i havent used it yet |
| [11:20:58] | clever: | it would cause a schema update on mythconverg |
| [11:21:06] | clever: | which then breaks my ubuntu based master be |
| [11:21:14] | clever: | and trunk wont compile on ubuntu anymore |
| [11:21:52] | clever: | the alsa libs on ubuntu are too old to compile trunk |
| [11:23:01] | pgee: | justin , i have installed scan utils as per wiki article. i get an errror when i enter. dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au-Hobart = Failed to open frontend |
| [11:23:24] | clever: | pgee: justin left the room, he couldnt handle things |
| [11:23:47] | clever: | pgee: i think you want to run dvbscan on a 'file' under /dev/dvb/ |
| [11:24:30] | pgee: | clever same error. Failed to open frontend |
| [11:24:42] | clever: | ls /dev/dvb |
| [11:24:47] | clever: | what files exist there? |
| [11:25:59] | pgee: | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2009-12–17 18:07 adapter0 |
| [11:26:00] | pgee: | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2009-12–17 18:07 adapter1 |
| [11:26:14] | clever: | dvbscan /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [11:26:30] | clever: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Dvb-apps#.28dvb.29scan |
| [11:26:33] | pgee: | pete@Zen:~/dvb-apps/util$ dvbscan /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [11:26:33] | pgee: | Failed to open frontend |
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| [11:26:56] | clever: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Dvbscan |
| [11:27:04] | edwin_: | Hello |
| [11:27:22] | clever: | pgee: ubuntu? |
| [11:27:34] | pgee: | yes. 9.10 |
| [11:27:59] | edwin_: | suse and new to mythtv |
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| [11:31:11] | pgee: | this is a wierd problem. i had previously used apt to install dvb-apps. so i used apt-get purge dvb-apps then i compile from mercurial source (as per wiki) and i get the error Failed to open frontend |
| [11:32:11] | pgee: | but all i want to do is get the channels recognised. the kernel messages tell me the card is being seen, so it is on and working. i just can't tune the card with mythtv. |
| [11:32:30] | clever: | pgee: try strace dvbscan ..... |
| [11:32:35] | clever: | same args as before |
| [11:32:47] | clever: | then comb thru (or pastebin) the output for errors |
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| [11:33:29] | pgee: | clever what argument should i try with dvbscan ? |
| [11:33:35] | justinh: | pgee: FACT – that the driver is loaded & you have some stuff in dmesg is not proof the card is working on your linux install. Seeing it tune a signal would be proof |
| [11:33:52] | justinh: | you run dvbscan with this – scan $nameofscanfile |
| [11:34:01] | pgee: | justinh. yes. but it is a step in the right direction though! |
| [11:34:10] | clever: | pgee: same ones as before |
| [11:34:11] | justinh: | where $nameofscanfile is possibly in /usr/share/dvb/ somewhere |
| [11:35:30] | justinh: | you do not pass it the name of the device |
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| [11:36:35] | pgee: | this is looking nasty. |
| [11:36:40] | justinh: | eh? |
| [11:36:49] | pgee: | hundred lines or so. |
| [11:36:56] | justinh: | of what? |
| [11:37:11] | pgee: | pete@Zen:~/dvb-apps$ strace dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au-Hobart > ~/error.txt |
| [11:37:11] | pgee: | execve("/usr/bin/dvbscan", ["dvbscan", "/usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au-Hobart"], [/* 21 vars */]) = 0 |
| [11:37:12] | pgee: | brk(0) = 0x92fa000 |
| [11:37:12] | pgee: | access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| [11:37:12] | pgee: | mmap2(NULL, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb77d6000 |
| [11:37:12] | pgee: | access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| [11:37:15] | justinh: | OI! |
| [11:37:18] | justinh: | pastebin |
| [11:37:19] | pgee: | is the start. |
| [11:37:27] | pgee: | pastebin? |
| [11:37:31] | justinh: | yes |
| [11:37:40] | justinh: | any more than 2 lines don't go in channel |
| [11:37:53] | justinh: | tends to piss people off profusely otherwise |
| [11:37:54] | pgee: | sorry what is that. i haven't used irc since about 1994 |
| [11:38:10] | justinh: | it's a site where you paste reams of text |
| [11:38:31] | justinh: | which gets turned into a link you can paste into an IRC channel or whatever |
| [11:38:43] | justinh: | so you avoid flooding. neat huh |
| [11:38:44] | clever: | pgee: errors with ld.so arent related to your problem, your looking for stuff within /dev/ |
| [11:38:56] | justinh: | clever: no he's not |
| [11:39:05] | justinh: | scan doesn't want device names |
| [11:39:17] | clever: | yeah, i see now that it picks those up automaticaly |
| [11:39:30] | clever: | justinh: ok, then you explain what Failed to open frontend means |
| [11:39:47] | clever: | i was having him strace thru it, for where it opens the /dev node and errors |
| [11:39:51] | pgee: | sounds useful. http://pastebin.com/d17d7a856 |
| [11:39:52] | justinh: | means it failed to open the card's frontend |
| [11:40:02] | justinh: | in off the bloody deep end as usual clever |
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| [11:40:13] | justinh: | there's generally an Earthly explanation for this stuff |
| [11:40:23] | clever: | # |
| [11:40:24] | clever: | open("/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0", O_RDWR) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) |
| [11:40:29] | clever: | and yet i found the exact error:P |
| [11:40:35] | justinh: | like the driver isn't installed, it's missing firmware, something else is using the device . ..... |
| [11:40:37] | clever: | something is using the 'frontend' so scan cant use it |
| [11:40:50] | justinh: | like... MYTHBACKEND perchance? |
| [11:40:55] | pgee: | i am using ssh to the box from my other computer. |
| [11:41:01] | pgee: | justin that is running. |
| [11:41:04] | pgee: | turn it off ? |
| [11:41:09] | clever: | yeah, but this says YES something is using it, unlike your guessing and having no idea |
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| [11:41:21] | justinh: | clever: it's generally a pretty damn safe bet |
| [11:41:22] | clever: | ive solidly confirmed what you where just guessing |
| [11:41:28] | justinh: | oh sod off clever |
| [11:41:41] | justinh: | nobody likes a smartarse |
| [11:42:44] | justinh: | so with mythbackend stopped, a scan should at least be able to access the device |
| [11:43:07] | justinh: | and if you have a good enough signal, use the correct initial scan file.. and the drivers actually work etc... you'll get a scan |
| [11:43:45] | pgee: | ok guys. i used service mythtv-backend stop then i get pete@Zen:~/dvb-apps$ dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au-Hobart |
| [11:43:46] | pgee: | Unable to query frontend status |
| [11:44:17] | justinh: | you got firmware for yer tuner hmm? |
| [11:44:24] | pgee: | yes. |
| [11:44:29] | justinh: | in the right place? |
| [11:44:55] | pgee: | i followed the instructions here http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700 |
| [11:45:12] | pgee: | under making it work:firmware |
| [11:45:12] | justinh: | oh and is your user – aka the user you're doing this as .. part of the group which has permission to use the device? |
| [11:45:28] | justinh: | pgee: dmesg reports the firmware is loading, yes? |
| [11:45:43] | pgee: | justin i have root access. and yes it does report loading. |
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| [11:46:40] | pgee: | [ 50.659687] cx23885 0000:02:00.0: firmware: requesting dvb-fe-tda10048–1.0.fw [ 50.714459] tda10048_firmware_upload: firmware read 24878 bytes. |
| [11:46:40] | pgee: | [ 50.714462] tda10048_firmware_upload: firmware uploading [ 53.304485] tda10048_firmware_upload: firmware uploaded |
| [11:51:21] | justinh: | goody goody |
| [11:52:39] | clever: | i'm thinking, strace again |
| [11:54:31] | pgee: | clever |
| [11:55:11] | pgee: | hang on ... have to turn off mythbackend. trying another full scan... it appears to work. just doesn't find any channels |
| [11:56:36] | pgee: | http://pastebin.com/m6ecbc8c2 |
| [11:57:49] | clever: | ok, it opens frontend0 without an error, then does 3 ioctl() calls, and then gives up |
| [11:58:05] | clever: | without reading the code for the driver, i have no idea what its doing now |
| [11:59:07] | pgee: | so those previous questions re the firmware, i have them in the right place ? |
| [11:59:21] | clever: | from the dmesg output, the firmware appears to be fine |
| [12:00:20] | pgee: | the post http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1700 under drives states "You may need to add an offset to your tansponder frequencies (+166KHz) in order to tune properly though" |
| [12:02:08] | pgee: | is there anything other information you may like to know re the system ? |
| [12:02:31] | clever: | cant think of anything else atm |
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| [12:05:20] | pgee: | this transponder offset is intriguing me.. the guy who wrote the post obviously had the card working (that is why i bought that card) |
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| [12:12:37] | pgee: | hey all. did i mention that i have two tuners installed ? /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 -> DVB-T "DiBcom 7000PC & /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0 -> DVB-T "NXP TDA10048HN DVB-T" |
| [12:13:08] | pgee: | i only have one antenna cable at present. the cable is connected to the hvr1700 |
| [12:15:46] | clever: | pgee: i did notice that earlyer |
| [12:15:52] | clever: | you might want to try using the other adapter |
| [12:16:02] | clever: | -f N use DVB /dev/dvb/adapter?/frontendN |
| [12:16:05] | clever: | -f 0 or -f 1 |
| [12:16:15] | clever: | i think |
| [12:16:19] | pgee: | np it is just the frontend option that is failing with dvb scan is an option i can pass |
| [12:16:24] | pgee: | clever trying it now. |
| [12:16:25] | clever: | or is it -a 1 -f 0 |
| [12:16:54] | pgee: | root@Zen:~# dvbscan -adapter 1 -frontend 0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au-Hobart |
| [12:16:54] | pgee: | Unable to query frontend status |
| [12:17:14] | pgee: | i have also been trying w_scan |
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| [12:28:32] | pgee: | w_scan appears to have found tv channels |
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| [12:42:50] | mzb: | hmm ... something still wrong with my mencoder command :( |
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| [12:55:11] | gpd: | any help finding an nvidia gfx card that supports VDPAU and has HDMI output with support for sound in the HDMI cable? |
| [12:55:29] | gpd: | the manufacturer's websites seem unhelpful on this last point. |
| [12:59:53] | gpd: | oh – and preferably low power consumption! |
| [13:00:05] | gpd: | again – they fail to mention that on most cards / sites |
| [13:00:25] | clever: | gpd: if you find anything, leave me a PM |
| [13:00:30] | clever: | i could use something similar |
| [13:00:52] | gpd: | looks like GT220 cards support the sound – need to find the right one |
| [13:01:34] | clever: | ive got a new tv that supports HDMI, but my current 'media box' is a 1ghz laptop with only 4:3 vga output |
| [13:01:47] | clever: | it works, but its not very optimal atm |
| [13:01:59] | clever: | still better then composite video on 20feet of extensions |
| [13:02:08] | gpd: | clever: likewise – can do VGA but then cable sticks out the side |
| [13:02:27] | gpd: | need new gfx card to get VDPAU so might as well find one that puts the sound in the cable! |
| [13:02:29] | clever: | my tv has vga on the back, but id rather use something pure digital |
| [13:02:57] | gpd: | http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_220_us.html |
| [13:03:09] | gpd: | ^ spec: Audio Input for HDMI HDA, SPDIF |
| [13:03:16] | clever: | ive also used VGA with my vdpau supporting laptop |
| [13:03:26] | clever: | but thats dads work laptop, so i cant do it 24/7 :P |
| [13:04:03] | gpd: | not sure if the card has SPDIF/HDA header to do that – or if done in software |
| [13:05:40] | clever: | gpd: dont see any signs of spdif/hda headers on the board |
| [13:06:32] | gpd: | no – that is why i wonder if the GT220 chipset supports it via the driver... but elsewhere seen mention of cards with headers for sound. or 'passthrough' |
| [13:06:46] | gpd: | there are also cards that have onboard sound chips – but that seems like overkill when i have sound card |
| [13:07:04] | clever: | i recently discovered why sound was broken in one of my systems |
| [13:07:15] | clever: | the default card the 'sound card' in the nvidia board:P |
| [13:07:26] | clever: | dual dvi out, and for some reason also with audio support |
| [13:10:19] | clever: | actualy, had that backwards a bit |
| [13:10:22] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 PRO AGP [Radeon HD 3650] |
| [13:10:25] | clever: | 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 Audio device [Radeon HD 3600 Series] |
| [13:10:31] | clever: | ati sound card, inside the vid board! |
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| [13:14:45] | justinh: | pgee: offsets the guy talks about are *only* ever needed where the broadcaster has a frequency offset at the transmitter to avoid adjacent channel interference |
| [13:15:57] | justinh: | pgee: e.g. where a transponder is listed as broadcasting on Channel68, it may be 68's frequency plus or minus 166khz |
| [13:16:14] | justinh: | i.e. you needn't concern yourself with that |
| [13:16:37] | justinh: | pgee: if w_scan is finding channels maybe the hardware is good |
| [13:16:45] | justinh: | but scan *should* work |
| [13:17:33] | justinh: | you shouldn't need the frontend option with scan |
| [13:23:41] | justinh: | anyway how long is it since dvbscan became just 'scan' ? |
| [13:26:26] | clever: | Please note that 'dvbscan' is called 'scan' in openSUSE 10.3, 11.0, Ubuntu 8.10 and probably more newer distros. |
| [13:26:32] | clever: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Dvbscan |
| [13:28:49] | pgee: | scan is working. |
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| [13:29:00] | pgee: | hang on. have to plug aerial in again :-( |
| [13:29:10] | ** pgee heads off under the house again to the server ** | |
| [13:29:41] | justinh: | heh maybe getting it working *before* making it inaccessible would have been more smart |
| [13:32:39] | pgee: | justinh the server is big and loud. has 1 TB hard drives and a quad core processor. |
| [13:33:24] | justinh: | yeah but making it work before moving it might have been a good plan |
| [13:33:56] | pgee: | yeah, but i has been working a long time. i just put this new card in it. |
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| [13:34:31] | justinh: | so you didn't need to rescan for channels |
| [13:34:50] | pgee: | http://pastebin.com/d3d3ac04d |
| [13:34:52] | jayvee: | okay, I'm trying to get my mythtv frontend working with pulseaudio. long story, but I'm using a bluetooth headset, and it is infeasible to use it with anything but pulseaudio. |
| [13:35:11] | jayvee: | I have pcm.!default { type pulse; }, and in my myth config I have "ALSA:default" set as the default sound device. Yet sound bypasses pulse and goes straight to ALSA. |
| [13:35:50] | pgee: | those hobart frequencies are out of date... we have had a few more channels since then. |
| [13:35:56] | justinh: | jayvee: mythfrontend stops pulseaudio |
| [13:36:04] | justinh: | cool huh :) |
| [13:36:42] | jayvee: | justinh: you mean like it runs pasuspender? |
| [13:36:54] | jayvee: | When using pcm.pulse { type pulse; }, and "ALSA:pulse", I get: |
| [13:36:56] | jayvee: | ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM pulse |
| [13:37:02] | jayvee: | which tells me there is more to it |
| [13:37:46] | jayvee: | I know there are a lot of pulse haters, but the reality is that everything else uses it by default |
| [13:37:57] | pgee: | justinh reading this post. it actually seems to find the card but not find the channels... is that correct ? http://pastebin.com/d3d3ac04d |
| [13:38:15] | justinh: | jayvee: pah. some people eh |
| [13:38:44] | jayvee: | justinh: how does it stop pulseaudio? |
| [13:38:48] | jayvee: | pasuspender, or something else? |
| [13:38:52] | justinh: | muh muh muh everything else. mythtv is not everything else. you either live by it, or not |
| [13:38:58] | justinh: | jayvee: don't know, don't care |
| [13:39:29] | jayvee: | that sort of attitude chould get you burnt at the stake, you know that? |
| [13:39:40] | justinh: | where? |
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| [13:39:46] | jayvee: | germany :P |
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| [13:39:59] | justinh: | good job I have no desire to return to Germany |
| [13:40:01] | ** clever prays justinh lives in germany ** | |
| [13:40:04] | jayvee: | well, I'm off to find some facts |
| [13:40:24] | clever: | jayvee: there is an option you can give mythfrontend to force it to use pulse |
| [13:40:25] | justinh: | I don't think I've ever seen any discussion of *how* mythfrontend stops PA |
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| [13:40:36] | justinh: | you might have to resort to looking in the source to find out |
| [13:40:38] | jayvee: | well why are you so adamant that it does so? |
| [13:40:44] | clever: | something along the lines of --i-know-what-im-doing :P |
| [13:40:51] | jayvee: | cool |
| [13:40:54] | justinh: | because I KNOW it stops pulseaudio |
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| [13:40:59] | jayvee: | turns out /usr/bin/mythfrontend is a bash script |
| [13:41:03] | jayvee: | but no mention of pulse in there |
| [13:41:13] | justinh: | jayvee: no, that's ubuntu's wrapper |
| [13:41:21] | jayvee: | even so |
| [13:41:26] | justinh: | even so nothing |
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| [13:41:31] | justinh: | the *binary* does it |
| [13:41:47] | clever: | mythfrontend.real |
| [13:41:56] | jayvee: | well I'm running a strings on mythfrontend.real now |
| [13:42:01] | justinh: | a few people have reportedly got myth to work with PA, but YMMV |
| [13:42:10] | jayvee: | well I have to |
| [13:42:15] | clever: | justinh: its a tricky problem with certain sound cards |
| [13:42:18] | jayvee: | I can't use my headset with anything else |
| [13:42:22] | justinh: | you don't *have* to ;-) |
| [13:42:24] | clever: | some cards will work fine, others dont work at all |
| [13:42:26] | jayvee: | I do |
| [13:42:32] | jayvee: | bluez is buggy and broken |
| [13:42:33] | justinh: | nobody is making you use mythtv |
| [13:42:44] | jayvee: | _Z25pulseaudio_handle_startupv |
| [13:42:57] | clever: | that looks like a funciton |
| [13:43:04] | justinh: | if there was an easy way to make mythtv play nicely with pulse & keep audio in sync somebody would've done it |
| [13:43:13] | jayvee: | justinh: I sincerely hope you don't speak on behalf of the mythtv community, because you are being incredibly rude. |
| [13:43:30] | jayvee: | never been talked to this way on IRC before |
| [13:43:31] | justinh: | the path of least resistance was chosen instead. fix the problem by avoiding it completely |
| [13:43:32] | clever: | justinh: they probly have, but it wont work on every card |
| [13:43:36] | pgee: | out of interest, how does mythtv work on macs ? |
| [13:43:39] | jayvee: | I will say no more. |
| [13:43:43] | clever: | jayvee: ./libs/libmyth/audiopulseutil.cpp:int pulseaudio_handle_startup(void) |
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| [13:44:02] | pgee: | re the audio. |
| [13:44:18] | justinh: | jayvee: there's no love for PA here I'm afraid. Many of us don't see it as the new messiah |
| [13:44:19] | jayvee: | cool |
| [13:44:43] | ** jayvee trots off to find an svn web interface ** | |
| [13:45:00] | clever: | jayvee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ulseutil.cpp |
| [13:45:13] | jayvee: | wow, that was quick |
| [13:45:27] | clever: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . til.cpp#L334 |
| [13:45:30] | jayvee: | right, that's probably newer than what I'm running |
| [13:45:33] | ** pgee realises it is past his bedtime. ** | |
| [13:45:36] | pgee: | night all |
| [13:45:43] | justinh: | there's a compile setting which lets you attempt to use pulse audio |
| [13:45:45] | clever: | jayvee: the basic function should still be similar |
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| [13:46:02] | justinh: | or is it a runtime override – I can never remember |
| [13:46:11] | clever: | DEBUG_PULSE_AUDIO_ALSA_EMULATION=1 mythfrontend, this looks like it might help |
| [13:46:13] | jayvee: | I'm running whatever is packaged in ubuntu 9.10 |
| [13:46:14] | jayvee: | which is 0.21, right? |
| [13:46:14] | jayvee: | 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 |
| [13:46:18] | justinh: | anyway it's billed as a purely EXPERIMENTAL setting |
| [13:46:28] | jayvee: | I live on the bleeding edge. :P |
| [13:46:30] | clever: | jayvee: if you set that env variable, mythtv will use it anyways, i think |
| [13:46:36] | justinh: | looks very much like 0.22 to me. the 0.22 kinda gives that impression |
| [13:47:02] | justinh: | those on the bleeding edge should expect to see blood, and maybe experience a bit of pain ;-) |
| [13:47:22] | justinh: | but 0.22-fixes ain't bleeding egde,FWIW |
| [13:50:44] | justinh: | hmmm maybe experimental PA support is only in trunk |
| [13:51:11] | jayvee: | right, well I suspect I will need to compile from source |
| [13:51:12] | jayvee: | which shouldn't be too bad |
| [13:51:12] | jayvee: | well thanks for the pointers — none of that turned up on Google |
| [13:51:12] | jayvee: | I suspect there are very few users of that so far. |
| [13:51:12] | jayvee: | although I really question the need for mythtv to support pulseaudio natively at all |
| [13:51:14] | jayvee: | getting the asound pulse plugin working with mythtv would be less long-term maintenance work for the future |
| [13:51:43] | justinh: | I'd just want it to work,but everything I've heard is that everybody blamed the other party |
| [13:51:56] | jayvee: | yeah, which is why I said I'd need to compile from source |
| [13:52:44] | justinh: | should be fine with the alsa plugin but you might experience probs with a/v sync |
| [13:53:26] | justinh: | btw if you're going to build from source, remove the packages first |
| [13:53:46] | jayvee: | good idea |
| [13:53:46] | jayvee: | right, so http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22295 explains why my ALSA:default output is going to alsa, despite me specifying that pulse is the default asound output |
| [13:54:20] | jayvee: | native pulse support has only been around for 7 weeks now |
| [13:54:27] | justinh: | not that it'd give you any problems initially, since the default --prefix would be /usr/local -more that if the package manager still thinks it's installed it could cause you issues later |
| [13:56:25] | justinh: | I'm starting to suspect that stopping PA has ended up causing more complaints than trying to play nice with it |
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| [13:57:26] | justinh: | but even then it's still no panacea for linux audio IMHO. I've had my fill with it & removed it from 2 systems now. For all it's meant to be an improvement I just don't see it |
| [13:57:51] | jayvee: | hmm, looks like pulse support is built in by default on trunk |
| [13:57:51] | jayvee: | i.e. no ./configure flags needed |
| [13:57:51] | jayvee: | in which case, if there is a precompiled nightly I can get my hands on, it would probably work |
| [13:58:27] | justinh: | there used to be weekly trunk builds for mythbuntu..dunno about now |
| [13:59:34] | justinh: | also FWIW you should subscribe to (and read) the -commits & -dev mailing lists if you really plan to use trunk. So as not to be taken by surprise by anything |
| [14:00:06] | jayvee: | I heard that the API was broken at some point recently |
| [14:00:14] | jayvee: | how long ago was that? |
| [14:00:27] | justinh: | a lot of the traffic & changesets might be irrelevant to you... but some may not ;-) |
| [14:00:40] | justinh: | which API? PA? No idea |
| [14:00:56] | justinh: | I just have this hatred instilled in me by symbiosis |
| [14:01:37] | lyricnz: | phuck pulseaudio. yet more half-assed linux audio layers. |
| [14:02:55] | justinh: | lol @ the ubuntu "how to solve all pulseaudio problems" page. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-all-pulseau . . . -issues.html |
| [14:04:24] | clever: | lol |
| [14:04:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I learned quickly how to solve them on fedora: yum remove pulseaudio ... POS! |
| [14:04:33] | lyricnz: | yeah, I turned it all off too |
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| [14:05:20] | justinh: | note though that we don't dislike the idea of PA as such. It promises lots, but little alsa didn't already do in its own half-assed way |
| [14:05:22] | clever: | nohing to do with fixing PA |
| [14:05:26] | clever: | just replacing it with esd |
| [14:05:49] | lyricnz: | so many audio daemons, none of which work that well... |
| [14:06:13] | justinh: | and sorry, breaking a/v sync in video players by not being able to determine when playback will actually start.. I dunno that sounds pretty poor to me |
| [14:06:15] | clever: | just use oss :P |
| [14:06:50] | jayvee: | that article is so outdated |
| [14:06:50] | jayvee: | none of those dialogs exist any more |
| [14:06:57] | jayvee: | pulse doesn't break a/v sync. it only breaks it if you are not using the alsa (or pulse, if native) timing apis properly in the first place. |
| [14:07:14] | jayvee: | gstreamer does lip sync perfectly in the last 18 months now |
| [14:07:24] | jayvee: | my bluetooth headset has about a 1/6th of a second delay |
| [14:07:24] | justinh: | this is where I remember the argument got cyclical |
| [14:08:03] | justinh: | devs blaming other devs. hatchets were never buried. users lose |
| [14:08:29] | jayvee: | so much so that I cannot play the piano with it |
| [14:08:29] | jayvee: | when I use the analog-bluetooth converter, lip sync is out |
| [14:08:29] | jayvee: | but when I use bluez + pulse + totem + gstreamer, lip sync is perfect |
| [14:08:37] | jayvee: | well all I can say is that beos had it right a decade ago. :P |
| [14:09:06] | justinh: | I like my ASIO :) |
| [14:09:26] | justinh: | loads going on.. FA latency |
| [14:09:39] | justinh: | even over USB now |
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| [14:17:44] | vk4akp: | HI Guys. |
| [14:17:46] | vk4akp: | I try again. :) |
| [14:18:01] | vk4akp: | Looking for suggestions on best USB Digital TV dongle to buy. |
| [14:18:06] | vk4akp: | Compatable with linux. |
| [14:18:21] | vk4akp: | I am running Sabayon (Gentoo) Linux. |
| [14:18:40] | jayvee: | okay, I'm being eaten alive by insects here |
| [14:18:54] | vk4akp: | Would like Analogue, DVB-T, and HiDef support. |
| [14:19:08] | justinh: | vk4akp: you said it. better buy one which works in linux |
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| [14:19:18] | justinh: | analogue? whoops. Oh dear. |
| [14:19:20] | vk4akp: | Also is ther eanythign better then teh Myth-TV project? |
| [14:19:30] | vk4akp: | Yea. Analogue. For a very important reason. |
| [14:19:36] | justinh: | no. mythtv is the best thing since ... |
| [14:19:47] | justinh: | seriously though depends what you *want* |
| [14:19:51] | vk4akp: | We run an AMateur Radio TV station. And it's too expensive yet to buy Digital TX equipment. |
| [14:20:01] | vk4akp: | SO I need to be able to receive Analogue as well. |
| [14:20:03] | justinh: | if you just want to slavishly watch tv.. go choose some other software |
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| [14:20:32] | vk4akp: | What I want is the abaility to use a browser on our network her eto access the server like a VCR. |
| [14:20:44] | justinh: | vk4akp: Hauppauge HVR-950 probably does what you need if it's compatible with your country's broadcasts |
| [14:20:45] | vk4akp: | So others in teh family can also watch and sked recoreded shows. |
| [14:20:56] | justinh: | in a web browser? |
| [14:20:58] | vk4akp: | OK . Any links? Ebay etc? |
| [14:21:05] | vk4akp: | Yea in a aweb browser. |
| [14:21:19] | vk4akp: | Or set up aa support package on Windoze . |
| [14:21:30] | justinh: | sigh |
| [14:21:40] | justinh: | mythtv is probably not for you, then |
| [14:21:56] | justinh: | it can stream recordings to a web browser but... it's not all that |
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| [14:22:33] | justinh: | and it's an awful lot of effort to go to just to install mythtv on a linux box to record TV if you want to stream it to windows machines |
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| [14:23:39] | lyricnz: | yeah, mythtv via browser is kindof suckful |
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| [14:23:59] | lyricnz: | but you can get frontend software for most operating systems, incl. mac and windows |
| [14:24:04] | vk4akp: | OK. Any other idea's? |
| [14:24:14] | lyricnz: | tivo? |
| [14:24:29] | vk4akp: | No, has to run on a alinux box. |
| [14:24:32] | lyricnz: | why? |
| [14:24:37] | vk4akp: | ALso can MythTV handle multiple dongles? |
| [14:24:43] | justinh: | huh? |
| [14:24:48] | vk4akp: | Don't want to buy a dedicated box. |
| [14:24:54] | lyricnz: | why not? |
| [14:24:55] | justinh: | more than one video capture device you mean? Jees yeah |
| [14:24:57] | vk4akp: | Als also what it network compatable. |
| [14:25:00] | justinh: | and then some |
| [14:25:24] | vk4akp: | How hard is it to get Myth-tv up and running. |
| [14:25:27] | justinh: | there's no theoretical limit to the amount of video devices you can have |
| [14:25:29] | vk4akp: | So I can see a web interface? |
| [14:25:39] | justinh: | depends. how clued are you? ;) |
| [14:26:01] | justinh: | RTFM, RTFM & RTFM again. then go about installing it. ask questions here about what you see in the docs |
| [14:26:27] | justinh: | we tend to find people who rush headlong into things have a bad time of it |
| [14:26:35] | vk4akp: | Don't want to put a lot of time in just to be abel to try it. |
| [14:26:39] | lyricnz: | vk4akp: http://skitch.com/lyricnz/ncbrf/mythweb-recorded-programs |
| [14:26:44] | justinh: | forget all about it then :) |
| [14:26:52] | vk4akp: | If I emerge it is ther e asimple web page to go to ? |
| [14:27:10] | justinh: | read the docs pertaining to installing it on gentoo |
| [14:27:21] | justinh: | or rather a distro specific howto guide |
| [14:27:33] | lyricnz: | http://skitch.com/lyricnz/ncbr8/mythweb-progr . . . 009-01-15-am |
| [14:29:01] | justinh: | if you really want ease of setup ditch sabayon & try a dedicated mythtv based distro |
| [14:29:26] | justinh: | but you'd still need to read docs to know what you're doing |
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| [14:29:52] | justinh: | it's a very powerful system, and with great power comes great complexity :P |
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| [14:30:00] | vk4akp: | Nah, won't ditch Sabayon. Every time I ask about something I get told to run a adifferent distro. |
| [14:30:09] | vk4akp: | If I did this I'd have 10 boxes running here. |
| [14:30:20] | justinh: | just saying if you want ease of setup try a dedicated distro |
| [14:30:25] | vk4akp: | I will emerge it and see what I get. |
| [14:30:37] | lyricnz: | on fedora, "yum install mythtv" – woop :) |
| [14:30:38] | justinh: | no, you'll read a distro howto for mythtv or you will FAIL |
| [14:31:16] | lyricnz: | mythtv is pretty good for me, I wish my dvb worked so good :( |
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| [14:31:27] | justinh: | seriously. I don't make this stuff up |
| [14:31:29] | justinh: | read the docs |
| [14:31:35] | justinh: | I really mean it |
| [14:31:56] | justinh: | because without reading the docs or a howto first you won't have the first clue how it goes together |
| [14:32:19] | justinh: | and we don't do walkthroughs here |
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| [14:33:40] | justinh: | oh God. http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=Setup_Mythtv looks old |
| [14:34:02] | vk4akp: | HUmm. It bombed out. |
| [14:34:07] | lyricnz: | Hmm, I really should try transcoding again someday. |
| [14:34:19] | justinh: | what did I say about reading some docs first hmm? |
| [14:34:25] | vk4akp: | Wanted a use flag. MYSQL. Which is strange as mysql is installed. HUmm. |
| [14:34:36] | justinh: | I *mean* *it* |
| [14:34:42] | justinh: | read the docs or you WILL FAIL |
| [14:35:07] | Dibblah: | Please, don't tell me it's a Gentoo derivative. |
| [14:35:12] | justinh: | you cannot just blunder your way through setting this up, hoping for the best |
| [14:35:24] | justinh: | Dibblah: oh yeah |
| [14:35:34] | lyricnz: | My mythtv-store directory is over 1000G. Time to think about transcoding, for sure. |
| [14:35:43] | lyricnz: | But it just crashed whenever I tried it previously |
| [14:35:49] | justinh: | lyricnz: or just deleting stuff :) |
| [14:36:01] | lyricnz: | Hahah, yeah. That's all SD too! |
| [14:36:04] | justinh: | or hey, trying watching stuff once in a while :P |
| [14:36:09] | lyricnz: | Too slack to set up epg for HD :) |
| [14:36:33] | ** lyricnz doesn't have time to watch it much, but when I go back, it's nice to have all 10+ episodes I missed, hahaha ** | |
| [14:36:48] | justinh: | of what.. the last 2 years' TV? |
| [14:36:50] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [14:36:56] | lyricnz: | I have about 30 episodes of Scrapheap Challenge |
| [14:37:04] | lyricnz: | About 25 of CSI etc |
| [14:37:20] | lyricnz: | is transcoding configured in frontend or mythtvsetup? |
| [14:37:36] | justinh: | some in both |
| [14:37:43] | justinh: | job config in mythtv-setup |
| [14:37:50] | justinh: | profiles in mythfrontend. good eh |
| [14:38:08] | lyricnz: | Lovely. Just what I expected, hahah. |
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| [14:40:56] | lyricnz: | hmmm, I wish I knew key to exit mythtvsetup |
| [14:41:04] | lyricnz: | been ^C ing it for years |
| [14:41:33] | justinh: | esc? |
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| [14:42:30] | lyricnz: | nah, must have changed it or something :) |
| [14:43:07] | justinh: | rofl "as easy as an abacus, as fast as a segway" |
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| [14:44:04] | lyricnz: | is there a way to manually trigger a transcode of a recorded program? |
| [14:44:35] | justinh: | yes |
| [14:44:57] | justinh: | get the INFO menu up with a recording selected in 'watch recordings'.select JOB OPTIONS. Voila! |
| [14:46:21] | lyricnz: | ooh, it's transcoding. I wonder where it's going? :) |
| [14:46:29] | justinh: | nowhere |
| [14:46:59] | justinh: | same SG as the original |
| [14:47:05] | justinh: | maybe even the same filename |
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| [14:50:14] | lyricnz: | Anyway, gotta zzzzzzz – flying to NZ tomorrow |
| [14:50:30] | lyricnz: | ttyl, thanks |
| [14:50:38] | justinh: | np |
| [14:53:05] | justinh: | heh pretty soon we won't need PVRs if this is anything to go by: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/17/british_telly_repeats/ |
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| [14:55:30] | Greek-Boy: | damn |
| [14:55:43] | Greek-Boy: | i can't find an electronic circuit guide for my amplifier |
| [14:56:00] | Greek-Boy: | i'm trying to find the contacts after it converts from optical to SPDIF |
| [14:59:22] | justinh: | there will likely be three pins on the optical TOSLINK receiver |
| [14:59:25] | justinh: | one will be 0V |
| [14:59:32] | justinh: | one will be +5V (or maybe 3.3V) |
| [14:59:39] | justinh: | the other will be SPDIF data |
| [15:00:08] | justinh: | easy to work out which is which with the aid of a DVM. schematics might not even help there anyway |
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| [15:04:27] | Greek-Boy: | hmmm |
| [15:05:02] | Greek-Boy: | where the opticial receiver is, the actual connector is a small black housing that is soldered onto the board |
| [15:05:16] | Greek-Boy: | this means I will have to take the board out and solder to the contacts underneath |
| [15:05:23] | justinh: | myers |
| [15:05:26] | justinh: | pretty typical |
| [15:06:09] | justinh: | much safer to lay your hands on an optical tx for the PC though |
| [15:06:37] | Greek-Boy: | which 2 pins/contacts should I go into? |
| [15:07:59] | justinh: | if you have to ask you *really* should not be doing this |
| [15:08:38] | Greek-Boy: | hehehe |
| [15:08:43] | Greek-Boy: | i just want to be sure |
| [15:09:17] | justinh: | on the soundcard it should be easy to tell with pin is GND |
| [15:09:47] | justinh: | infact on the receiver it should be too, same goes for the power pin |
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| [15:10:42] | Greek-Boy: | ok |
| [15:12:46] | Greek-Boy: | well i am not realy concerned with the sound card |
| [15:12:54] | Greek-Boy: | becasue the computer has a coaxial output |
| [15:13:18] | Greek-Boy: | i just want to solder those onto the correct contacts of the toslink receiver on the amp |
| [15:13:35] | Greek-Boy: | i guess it will be easy to figure out which ones are the gnd |
| [15:14:10] | Greek-Boy: | i am assuming the SPDIF data pin will be 0V? |
| [15:14:45] | justinh: | no. 0V is 0V is GND generally |
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| [15:16:05] | Greek-Boy: | so basicall I should just avoid touching the 5V/3.3V line |
| [15:16:11] | ivor: | justinh: not in my house is isn't. it's about 35V. :) |
| [15:17:00] | ivor: | justinh: last time i took the precaution of using a multimeter on the lighting circuit! |
| [15:17:36] | justinh: | seen the difference between N & E as high as 100V in some houses (!) |
| [15:18:07] | ivor: | shocking. |
| [15:18:13] | ivor: | ta dum.. tssscchhh. |
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| [15:49:33] | sandeen: | anyone know of a way to monitor frontend idleness – or maybe even keep track of last keypress times seen by lirc? |
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| [16:06:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Here in the US I've seen 60–80v on the 'ground' lead occasionally... (120v power!) – That was in an old house with very old post-and-beam wiring... |
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| [16:25:21] | Rich864: | hi |
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| [17:20:10] | cityOfLights: | hi all, why is mythfilldatabase crashing after upgrade? |
| [17:20:19] | cityOfLights: | http://dpaste.com/134576/ |
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| [17:21:11] | iamlindoro: | because, as the error message says, your database is crashed |
| [17:21:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityOfLights: Umm... perhaps "Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired" holds the answer? |
| [17:22:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityOfLights: run the optimize_mythtdb.pl script – it should fix the table. |
| [17:22:53] | cityOfLights: | :-) thanks for your prompt replay |
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| [17:23:27] | cityOfLights: | hmm where can I find this script? |
| [17:24:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityOfLights: in the contrib directory – do an 'updatedb' as root, then a 'locate optimize_mythdb.pl' |
| [17:24:40] | cityOfLights: | I run the locate and didnt see it |
| [17:24:46] | cityOfLights: | I am on this now |
| [17:25:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Then you'll probably need to download it |
| [17:25:32] | cityOfLights: | is myth.rebuilddatabase.pl good? |
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| [17:25:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityOfLights: I spelled it wrong the first time – it's: optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [17:25:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | no, that's got a different purpose. |
| [17:25:49] | cityOfLights: | where can I download it? can find it in google only 3 hits |
| [17:26:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | On my system (svn source), it's in: /usr/src/mythtv/release-0-22-fixes/mythtv/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [17:26:58] | cityOfLights: | I also get 3 hits in the mythtv wiki – but the script is not there |
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| [17:27:58] | cityOfLights: | I can get it from trac |
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| [17:28:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | That was going to be my next suggestion. ;-) – and set it up as a daily cron job to keep your database somewhat 'tidy'... |
| [17:29:15] | cityOfLights: | hay wait |
| [17:29:40] | cityOfLights: | it works with mysql – so I dont need to be rot |
| [17:29:49] | cityOfLights: | ok, now I got these errors... |
| [17:29:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | no, you don't need to be root to execute it. |
| [17:30:34] | cityOfLights: | http://dpaste.com/134638/ |
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| [17:31:15] | cityOfLights: | is this dev-php/PEAR-HTTP_Request missing? |
| [17:31:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityOfLights: some perl binding is missing – HTTP/Request.pm — I'm not an expert in this department, I'd have to google to check what it's contained in... |
| [17:32:57] | cityOfLights: | thik I got it |
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| [17:38:43] | cityOfLights: | GREAT thanks |
| [17:38:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityOfLights: np. ;-) |
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| [18:08:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: you around? ;-) Got a couple of questions on how to clean up/fix my weather config... |
| [18:09:33] | iamlindoro: | He's out of town this week, I believe |
| [18:09:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ah, thanks. ;-) |
| [18:10:07] | justinh: | oh great, we have snow ;-( |
| [18:10:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Hehehe... ;-) How much are you supposed to get total? |
| [18:11:21] | justinh: | bugger knows |
| [18:11:33] | justinh: | doesn't take much to turn the local car users into morons |
| [18:12:04] | justinh: | they either drive like they usually do (way too fast & aggressive) or way too cautiously |
| [18:12:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I guess it doesn't normally snow in your area? Or they're just ID10T's... |
| [18:12:41] | justinh: | we manage to get a few inches every year |
| [18:13:09] | justinh: | where I used to live (and learned to drive) a couple of feet is common ;) |
| [18:13:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Ok, a bit less than us... ^^ yeah, that's more like it for me here in the Boston, USA area... ;-) |
| [18:14:05] | justinh: | makes me cringe to see 4x4 MPV drivers edge along at 5mph |
| [18:14:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep... Probably because they don't know how to switch their car to 4x4 mode... hehehehe |
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| [18:16:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | My weather tables are borked – anyone happen to know if I can just drop them and delete the weather entries from the 'settings' table to 'start over'? ie: Will mythfrontend re-create them automatically? |
| [18:17:43] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: wouldn't bank on it |
| [18:18:10] | justinh: | depends how the plugin/db update code works doesn't it rather? ;-) |
| [18:18:49] | justinh: | nothing to lose by backing up the db, drop the tables & try it |
| [18:18:57] | justinh: | you can always restore them |
| [18:19:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, sphery would know, but he's away... ;-) ^^ that's what I plan on doing. ;-) I'll try that now. |
| [18:20:33] | justinh: | should be safe if you have a backup of the whole db :) |
| [18:20:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, runs nightly. ;-) |
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| [18:25:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: That worked fine... dropped the weather tables, deleted the 'settings' entries, then set it up again in mythfrontend. ;-) |
| [18:25:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A misses the radar and details forecasts though... :-( ** | |
| [18:25:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | "detailed" even... |
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| [18:34:54] | justinh: | I think something worth looking at might be a 'reset to defaults' button for plugin settings |
| [18:38:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | I sent a message to 'accuweather.com' to see if they'd allow us (mythtv) to use their weather data – no response yet. :-( |
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| [18:46:27] | justinh: | there we go. 6.1cm of snow tonight. |
| [18:48:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: wow... Six Point ONE? ;-) hehehe... that's 2.4017 inches... ;-) Ought to make quite a mess of the roads... |
| [18:49:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Woops, missed a digit... 2.40157"... hehehe |
| [18:51:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... Google has a weather API that returns XML... humm... ;-) |
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| [18:59:37] | iamlindoro: | Heh, /. says that BBC-HD just cut their bitrate in half and claims it produced better picture |
| [18:59:49] | iamlindoro: | that is, the BBC claimed that |
| [19:04:02] | justinh: | they just got that? wow slashdot are only about a month behind |
| [19:04:52] | iamlindoro: | Referenced a BBC article from yesterday |
| [19:05:29] | iamlindoro: | Which I have no doubt is old news, just that the /. article is based on that one |
| [19:07:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: My weather... http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/n . . . rom=hp_news2 |
| [19:07:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A wishes it was summer... :-( ** | |
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| [19:11:37] | Dagmar: | I trust there was a codec change involved in there somewhere |
| [19:12:06] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [19:12:12] | iamlindoro: | They have been and are still h.264 |
| [19:12:14] | wagnerrp: | nah, they *were* running 16mbps h264 |
| [19:12:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [19:12:47] | wagnerrp: | the only possibility is they were running some piss poor hardware encoder |
| [19:13:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ that's what I was thinking. |
| [19:13:14] | Dagmar: | That's what it's got to be |
| [19:13:35] | Dagmar: | You don't drop the bitrate and get a better picture unless things were set up wrong previously |
| [19:13:41] | Dagmar: | It would be crazy |
| [19:13:42] | iamlindoro: | The fact that the average citizen who knows nothing other video codes, bitrates, etc. started calling up asking what happened to the picture more or less discredits the claim that it produced better picture |
| [19:13:49] | justinh: | aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyhoo, it still doesn't suck as bad as what people are paying $$$ for over your way :D |
| [19:13:52] | wagnerrp: | are they going to use the additional bandwidth for anything? |
| [19:13:52] | iamlindoro: | er nothing about |
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| [19:14:13] | justinh: | wagnerrp: course not |
| [19:14:27] | iamlindoro: | BBC-HD +1, +2, and +3? ;) |
| [19:14:38] | wagnerrp: | so why bother spending money for all that new hardware? |
| [19:14:58] | justinh: | crunching it way down so they'll be able to transmit the same stream on dvb-t2 apparently |
| [19:15:10] | justinh: | denied, of course |
| [19:15:42] | wagnerrp: | i assumed t2 would have afforded more bandwidth than t |
| [19:16:15] | justinh: | sure, but it's still only good for about 36Mbitss/ec |
| [19:16:28] | justinh: | so divvy that up between 4 HD channels.. |
| [19:16:54] | justinh: | cos we'll only be getting one FTA dvb-t2 multiplex ;-( |
| [19:16:57] | wagnerrp: | ok, youre saying theyre just going to condense their broadcast down to one channel |
| [19:17:35] | justinh: | no, they're squishing it down ready for when they put it on dvb-t2 |
| [19:17:59] | justinh: | so the mux can fit four such crappy HD channels :) |
| [19:18:04] | justinh: | but hey it'll be HD right |
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| [19:19:59] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [19:20:25] | wagnerrp: | 'for example, you can get higher quality with cpu-intensive settings using h264 5.1 profile than you can with h264 4.1, at the same bitrate' |
| [19:21:10] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY way that makes a damn bit of difference is if you crank up the reference frames for that very marginal gain |
| [19:21:42] | wagnerrp: | not to mention, its a 5.1 level, not profile |
| [19:22:24] | justinh: | come now, don't go expecting /. commenters to know what they yak about |
| [19:23:00] | justinh: | need to find a much more recent sample to see for myself |
| [19:23:00] | wagnerrp: | and now claiming a x264 encoding at 20mbps is more computationally intensive to decode than a 40mbps bluray h264 stream |
| [19:23:17] | XLV: | article about nvidia gt 210/220 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-210-gt220.html they dont have onboard hd audio chip, but they do transfer of hd audio over pci-e bus, dont do dts-hd/true-hd or pap, but do lpcm 7.1.. gt 210 doesnt even support physx or cuda cause of too low performance. pretty limited |
| [19:23:26] | justinh: | I guess it could be in all probability, but what do I know? ;-) |
| [19:23:43] | wagnerrp: | how can it not support them? |
| [19:23:51] | justinh: | XLV: who cares about physx or cuda? |
| [19:23:59] | wagnerrp: | that has to be something they manually switch off in the driver |
| [19:24:20] | wagnerrp: | and i have no idea why they would bother doing so |
| [19:24:31] | AndyCap: | segmentation, segmentation, segmentation |
| [19:24:45] | XLV: | justinh, yeah, its a problem only for those who want to use coreavc cuda on windows |
| [19:24:53] | justinh: | booo |
| [19:25:06] | justinh: | who needs that when we have viddypoo? |
| [19:25:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | isn't it Videe POW POW ??? ;-) |
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| [19:27:25] | justinh: | the DTG lot crowed on about the UK being leaders in the field of digital TV with the launch of terrestrial HD |
| [19:27:38] | justinh: | I beg to differ if the pictures are as bad as people say |
| [19:27:52] | justinh: | but at least we'll be the first to get dvb-t2. we er.. lead |
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| [19:28:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, somebody already got weather data from accuweather... humm... /me checks if it's for 0.22 or not... |
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| [19:31:05] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: Tried to solder to the gnd 0v and spdif pins |
| [19:31:13] | Greek-Boy: | I found the 5V pin using my DVM |
| [19:31:17] | Greek-Boy: | and avoided it |
| [19:31:29] | Greek-Boy: | but using the other two pins i was not able to get sound in :-( |
| [19:31:44] | Greek-Boy: | i even thought i had the wrong polarity but both combinations didn't work |
| [19:32:17] | Greek-Boy: | the funny thing is that fiber toslink input also stopped working even if the coax that is soldered on is not connected to anything :-( |
| [19:32:35] | justinh: | you taking this from a header or a socket on the soundcard? |
| [19:32:40] | Greek-Boy: | the only way toslink resumes working when the cable is taken off (no matter which polarity) |
| [19:32:52] | Greek-Boy: | socket on the soundcard... |
| [19:32:59] | justinh: | cos one will be TTL, the other will be consumer level – a factor of ten difference |
| [19:33:11] | justinh: | an external socket? |
| [19:33:17] | Greek-Boy: | yes, external socket |
| [19:33:26] | justinh: | yeah it's gonna be the wrong level |
| [19:33:50] | Greek-Boy: | so I should rather try and locate the header on the mainboard? |
| [19:35:44] | justinh: | ffs this is the 'awful' they're talking about http://mirror02.x264.nl/topgear_bbc-hd_blockmadness.png |
| [19:36:20] | justinh: | bunch of whining bastards |
| [19:37:14] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: Since that external socket is not providing the signal we need do you think I should rather try find the SPDIF header on my motherboard? |
| [19:37:21] | justinh: | can you spot all the horrible macroblocking in that png? :-O |
| [19:37:45] | justinh: | Greek-Boy: I'd have angled for that from the start. I assumed you sorta knew what you're doing :P |
| [19:38:08] | Greek-Boy: | well, i'm a newbie with this whole SPDIF/TOSLINK thing |
| [19:38:18] | Greek-Boy: | :P |
| [19:38:44] | Greek-Boy: | i thought the exernal coax (single rca type connector) was just an connector |
| [19:38:52] | Greek-Boy: | i didn't realize there is a difference in signalling |
| [19:39:05] | Greek-Boy: | anyway, let me try to see if my mb has a spdif out |
| [19:39:11] | Greek-Boy: | will let u know how it goes |
| [19:39:45] | justinh: | yeah what comes off the headers will likely be 5V pk-pk. 'Consumer' level SPDIF is 0.5V IIRC |
| [19:39:58] | justinh: | some motherboards let you choose which |
| [19:43:37] | justinh: | so folks, as I guessed if the screenshot is anything to go by as 'bad' as BBC HD looks it's nothing like as bad as those Lego-based stills I've seen from US Cable 'HD' :) |
| [19:44:39] | justinh: | anyway doesn't matter how much the whiners whine. The BBC will stick to its guns. Auntie knows best ;-) |
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| [19:55:32] | gpd: | about to slice my wrists... |
| [19:55:50] | justinh: | post pics! |
| [19:55:53] | gpd: | bought a GT220 gfx card wtih HDMI and SOUND... |
| [19:56:13] | gpd: | BUT... now I get NO SOUND on the TV even if analog sound selected and analog slound inbound... |
| [19:56:25] | gpd: | gfx card / HDMI cable must be sending 'there is no sound' signal |
| [19:56:37] | gpd: | or some crap... now i have to find a fix... any thoughts? |
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| [19:57:19] | iamlindoro: | There is tons of discussion of that topic on the users list, suggest searching the archives |
| [19:57:19] | justinh: | onboard audio on the gfx card has to be supported in linux of course |
| [19:57:22] | justinh: | modules etc |
| [19:57:38] | gpd: | i dont' think this is onboard sound - |
| [19:57:40] | iamlindoro: | in short, the HDMI video stream claims to contain an audio track, even though it is null |
| [19:57:42] | XLV: | gpd, also search in nvforums |
| [19:57:55] | XLV: | gpd, lots of discussions there too |
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| [19:58:06] | iamlindoro: | And there are simple means of working around it |
| [19:58:17] | gpd: | phew: just read a forum post Audio over HDMI is not currently supported on Linux. |
| [19:58:20] | gpd: | about to jump... |
| [19:58:24] | iamlindoro: | It is now |
| [19:58:26] | justinh: | post pics!! |
| [19:58:39] | iamlindoro: | Suggest reading the latest alsa release notes, too |
| [19:58:42] | XLV: | gpd, also it seems the gt210/220 dont have an onboard hd audio chip, they get audio through sound card/onboard audio codec through the pci-e bus |
| [19:58:47] | XLV: | article about nvidia gt 210/220 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-210-gt220.html they dont have onboard hd audio chip, but they do transfer of hd audio over pci-e bus, dont do dts-hd/true-hd or pap, but do lpcm 7.1.. gt 210 doesnt even support physx or cuda cause of too low performance. pretty limited |
| [19:59:32] | iamlindoro: | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Ch . . . 0.21_v1.0.22 |
| [19:59:49] | iamlindoro: | "ALSA: hda – Add PCI IDs for Nvidia G2xx-series" |
| [20:00:04] | gpd: | thanks guys. taking deep breaths |
| [20:00:57] | gpd: | hmm. karmic has 1.0.20+dfsg-1ubuntu5 alsa-base |
| [20:00:57] | iamlindoro: | I'd hate to see how worked up you would get about a *real* problem |
| [20:01:06] | iamlindoro: | so compile thuneself |
| [20:01:09] | iamlindoro: | er thinself |
| [20:01:11] | iamlindoro: | thineself |
| [20:01:14] | iamlindoro: | there we go |
| [20:02:49] | gpd: | must be a PPA out there somewhere... |
| [20:03:44] | justinh: | how hard is it to build drivers yourself? prolly less risky than using some dodgy bloke's PPA |
| [20:03:46] | iamlindoro: | This is linux... you need to learn to take care of yourself at some point, compiling is not rocket science |
| [20:04:06] | justinh: | you might not even have to rebuild the whole kernel |
| [20:04:23] | justinh: | I tried that on ubuntu once. made me regret moving from gentoo for some reason |
| [20:04:35] | gpd: | iamlindoro: i was happy to compile things in 1998 – today i just want to watch TV after a long day and an evening of caving under the house... ;) |
| [20:04:56] | ** gpd runs ** | |
| [20:05:04] | iamlindoro: | gpd: Fine, but being paralyzed by the fact that nobody is providing it for you does you no good |
| [20:05:21] | gpd: | iamlindoro: hardly paralyzed – just looking before leaping... |
| [20:06:12] | iamlindoro: | Well now is a fine time to start |
| [20:07:00] | gpd: | iamlindoro: are you a gentoo user by chance :) |
| [20:07:06] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [20:07:38] | justinh: | a knowledgable user is an *empowered* user |
| [20:08:02] | Dagmar: | It's the bloody nVidia driver we're talking about |
| [20:08:07] | justinh: | if everybody stayed a cowering noob for eternity.. yeesh.. doesn't bear thinking about |
| [20:08:16] | Dagmar: | If you can't build that because of laziness, how the hell do you manage to breathe without getting tired. |
| [20:08:31] | justinh: | Dagmar: no, it's an alsa module to shoehorn in audio support |
| [20:08:36] | gpd: | it's not nvidia – its ALSA... which is a little more tedious |
| [20:08:47] | Dagmar: | *inhale*, *exhale*, *inhale*, screw it too much work *blacks out* |
| [20:08:56] | Dagmar: | ALSA drivers come with the kernel |
| [20:09:15] | gpd: | Dagmar: 1.0.22? |
| [20:09:26] | Dagmar: | ALSA userspace should be getting kept in sync by the person building the kernel |
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| [20:10:03] | Dagmar: | gpd: You're tellinng me these numbers, why? |
| [20:10:20] | Dagmar: | Leprechauns told you you needed that version? |
| [20:12:08] | gpd: | Dagmar: unless you are talking about the ALSA kernel then I am very confused by your comments above |
| [20:12:19] | Dagmar: | ALSA made a kernel? |
| [20:12:30] | gpd: | kernel module |
| [20:12:37] | gpd: | are you just being difficult to wind me up? |
| [20:12:42] | gpd: | or are you always like this? |
| [20:12:47] | Dagmar: | Well, that would explain why they can't be bothered to fix the intel reconfigurable six-stack stuff then |
| [20:13:20] | Dagmar: | gpd: Excuse me but I'm not psychic. Don't just drop words out of a sentence and expect everyone to automatically know what you're talking about |
| [20:13:24] | Dagmar: | We're NOT psychics here |
| [20:13:55] | Dagmar: | "or are you always like this" <-- no but you can be sure I will be *now* |
| [20:14:03] | justinh: | mmm port. |
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| [20:20:30] | achandra: | Hello, thanks to everyone wagnerrp, mchou, rcampbel for assist. I have mythtv up and running with out the stuttering thanks to a new nvidia card |
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| [20:21:33] | achandra: | I do have some questions with respect to the windows media remote and mappings...when I hit record on the remote no action, and channel up/down takes me to the beginning of the show im watching instead of changing channels. Any way to change this behaviour? |
| [20:21:44] | Dagmar: | Yes |
| [20:21:56] | wagnerrp: | is it a LIRC remote or HID remote? |
| [20:23:58] | justinh: | heh Sky are gonna continue pushing ahead with '3D' |
| [20:24:49] | achandra: | wagnerrp, its an mce remote utilizing a usb i/r — lirc as i remember |
| [20:25:36] | wagnerrp: | then adjust your ~/.mythtv/lircrc to your liking |
| [20:25:54] | achandra: | wagnerrp, cool will do |
| [20:26:15] | achandra: | wagnerrp, again thank you very much for the insight on the nvidia card....it works like a charm |
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| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont know that i would consider 'dont use ati' to be all that insightful |
| [20:28:48] | nutron: | It's been a mantra of mine since the Radeon 7000's |
| [20:29:30] | gpd: | ok – compiling ALSA 1.0.22 : thoughts on whether to remove ubuntu sound packages? |
| [20:30:23] | wagnerrp: | if youre compiling new kernel modules off a new code base, the older ubuntu ones will no longer work |
| [20:31:52] | gpd: | wagnerrp: right – but will all the other associated sound crap in ubuntu packages pick up the new alsa kernel modules from my compile and work – or am i over estimating the complexity? |
| [20:32:26] | defaultr0: | wagnerrp, the philips ati theater ir receiver we were working on last night, scared me. I rebooted and booting failed. It said Boot failure, sleeping forever. I removed it and rebooted and glad the boot failure message went away :) |
| [20:32:50] | wagnerrp: | userland alsa control applications cannot be expected to work across different versions |
| [20:33:02] | wagnerrp: | any applications merely using sound should be fine |
| [20:33:12] | achandra: | wagnerrp, right now its set to button = Record and config = R ....Im not sure what to change there..... ideas? — all I have is a little red record button on my remote...how do i find out what the respective config is? |
| [20:33:30] | wagnerrp: | achandra: irw |
| [20:34:22] | ctmjr: | gpd: if your having sound problems and using ubuntu i would suggest looking into pulseaudio as a cause and not the version of alsa i have alsa verion 1.0.17 and no pulseaudio and my hdmi audio works fine with nvidia |
| [20:34:29] | achandra: | wagnerrp, its a mythbuntu box so irw..returns nothing.... |
| [20:35:00] | gpd: | ctmjr: it seems i need the latest alsa to support my nvida GT220 sending sound over HDMI cable. |
| [20:35:01] | wagnerrp: | irw will list the button you pressed on the remote... this page will list what keyboard shortcuts to map to... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
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| [20:36:39] | wagnerrp: | achandra: mythbuntu or not, irw will return whatever lircd pumps out, so longer as lircd is set up properly |
| [20:36:57] | achandra: | k |
| [20:38:37] | gpd: | hmm. seems i need to compile the alsa-libs, alsa-firmware, alsa-utils to get the rest of the stuff |
| [20:38:45] | gpd: | in which case i might as well remove the ubuntu packages |
| [20:39:14] | Dagmar: | Unless your sound card requires a firmware upload to work you can skip that one |
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| [20:41:55] | gpd: | so how does pulseaudio fit into all this – is that going to be FUBAR by this? |
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| [20:43:48] | justinh: | bin it seems to be the consensus here |
| [20:44:14] | ctmjr: | gpd: you should ask in the #alsa channel am beginning to think you are going off topic for this channel and you will get more help over there |
| [20:44:21] | justinh: | til someone makes it/myth coexist nicely |
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| [20:45:21] | gpd: | ctmjr: asked #alsa 20 minutes ago — deadly silent. sorry you feel so off-topic'd |
| [20:45:40] | justinh: | blimey call the OT police! |
| [20:46:11] | ** justinh looks for the + in front of ctmjr's nick ** | |
| [20:47:33] | gpd: | hmm. ubuntu really doesn't like you removing packages like alsa... crap – will just have to stay |
| [20:48:04] | XLV: | gpd, or you can create proper deb packages to upgrade them |
| [20:49:12] | gpd: | thanks XLV, I'll just rewrite pulseaudio before bedtime too. :) |
| [20:49:52] | XLV: | gpd, thats the way to think ;-) |
| [20:50:35] | gpd: | wait – just need to compile libasound it seems – then i'll get on it. |
| [20:51:16] | ctmjr: | justinh: am not but you can flame me all you like but the fact remains the same there is a difference between no system sound and no sound in mythtv i was trying to point him in the right direction |
| [20:52:41] | gpd: | this is mythtv-users... not mythtv developers... can we not talk about our mythtv box needing to get sound over HDMI? or shall i start a new channel for that/ |
| [20:53:48] | XLV: | gpd, actually its a #linux or #ubuntu issue more than it is a #mythtv issue |
| [20:53:53] | Dagmar: | This channel needs more whinyness. |
| [20:55:34] | gpd: | Dagmar: was that directed at me? |
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| [20:56:55] | ajack_: | hey guys, i'm having trouble getting any EIT data through myth with my DVB-S card in the UK |
| [20:57:05] | ajack_: | basically i'm getting no EIT data whatsoever |
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| [20:58:59] | justinh: | Dagmar: well it is a linux related channel ;-) |
| [21:00:56] | Dagmar: | justinh: I was under the impression that whining was the purview of the mentally disabled Windows user |
| [21:01:03] | gpd: | hmm. now getting configure: error: panelw library not found – getting deep in the rabbit hole how :) |
| [21:01:30] | gpd: | http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/2009/08/31/ . . . jaunty-9-04/ |
| [21:02:01] | Dagmar: | You realize that if you just grab the source debs, making new ones for a newer version of whatever package becomes utterly _trivial_ right? |
| [21:03:00] | justinh: | apt-get build-dep :) |
| [21:08:59] | gpd: | Dagmar: if you can point me to how to do that in a trivial way then i'll give it a go. just compiled and rebooting. |
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| [21:09:37] | Dagmar: | Open souce deb. Change version number listed for package. Change/update tarballs listed in package. Tell system to rebuild from source deb. Done. |
| [21:10:28] | Dagmar: | It _is_ trivial to work from source debs instead of polluting the systems inventory. |
| [21:10:49] | Dagmar: | Easily better than 95% of the time the only thing you have to do is change a tiny string |
| [21:15:29] | ajack_: | anybody have any experience with using myth with freesat? |
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| [21:17:25] | gpd: | hmm. this sound device does not have any controls... should have taken the Dagmar approach |
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| [21:21:38] | gpd: | Dagmar: this 'tiny string' is that in alsa-driver_1.0.20+dfsg-1ubuntu5.dsc ?? |
| [21:22:57] | Dagmar: | I'm not here to teach people how to manage their packaage. |
| [21:23:08] | Dagmar: | That's a "sysadmin 201" question. |
| [21:23:52] | gpd: | Dagmar: |
| [21:24:10] | Dagmar: | Acting like I might not know what I'm talking about in order to try to barb me into doing so will result in not only failure, but my merciless laughter. |
| [21:25:06] | gpd: | Dagmar: you are and probably forever will be a **** |
| [21:25:59] | wagnerrp: | fantastic, ignoramus on slashdot has a +5 informative... |
| [21:26:05] | Dagmar: | ...and you are and probably forever will be doomed to be beaten by the technology you claim to control. |
| [21:26:07] | Dagmar: | Learn to read. |
| [21:26:22] | Dagmar: | I can build debs, rpms, slackware packages, and solaris packages. |
| [21:26:57] | Dagmar: | So long as you make a habit of insulting people who know more than you do, reading will be your only hope. |
| [21:27:46] | gpd: | Dagmar: you started with the insults, not me. i only asked for help. you just wanted to show off – as you continue to do. good luck. |
| [21:28:04] | Dagmar: | Right. |
| [21:28:07] | Dagmar: | Welcome to the ignore list, jackass. |
| [21:28:25] | justinh: | ajack_: EIT data should "just work (tm)" if your channels all have 'useonairguide' set & you set up a 'video source' to use only onair guide data |
| [21:28:26] | Dagmar: | I told you what you needed to do, you whined and tried to dispute it instead of just manning up and reading some documentation. |
| [21:28:38] | Dagmar: | Now you can just figure out what you should do on your own. |
| [21:29:13] | justinh: | ajack_: guide data won't appear instantly though – it can take a while to percolate down |
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| [21:30:01] | justinh: | oh no, not another denial from a dev that myth can't possibly flip between interlaced & progressive modes with a regular broadcast |
| [21:30:40] | ajack_: | hmm, i've got all that set up justinh, still nothing |
| [21:30:58] | ajack_: | been up and running for a couple of days now but i've still got no data |
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| [21:31:39] | justinh: | you checked the complete channel list? haven't unintentionally ended up with 2 sets of channels with the same names – one set with data & the other without? |
| [21:31:48] | justinh: | i.e. tried setting up xmltv |
| [21:32:16] | justinh: | no wait that'd only affect you if you were using xmltv |
| [21:32:44] | ajack_: | yeah i haven't tried with xmltv, that was going to be a last resort :/ |
| [21:32:47] | justinh: | ajack_: and the backend wasn't running when you set up the videosource etc ? |
| [21:33:07] | ajack_: | and i've only got the one set of channels |
| [21:33:14] | ajack_: | nope, backend was down |
| [21:34:08] | justinh: | is useonairguide definitely set for all the channels? |
| [21:34:18] | ajack_: | yep |
| [21:34:37] | justinh: | how's your mysql? |
| [21:35:33] | ajack_: | it's alright |
| [21:35:42] | ajack_: | ;) |
| [21:35:55] | justinh: | show me the output from mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "select * from videosource;" – should only be one line – not interested in the table headings |
| [21:36:45] | ajack_: | 1 | EIT | eitonly | | europe-west | NULL | NULL | 1 | NULL |
| [21:37:07] | justinh: | that last column is default_authority yes? |
| [21:37:31] | ajack_: | it's configpath |
| [21:37:33] | justinh: | no it won't be. duh. not running 0.22 here see |
| [21:37:51] | ajack_: | heh |
| [21:37:53] | justinh: | yeah so useeit is set to 1 for sure |
| [21:38:10] | ajack_: | yeah it's set for 1 for all channels |
| [21:38:16] | justinh: | and check the sourceid for all your channels is 1.. that should do it |
| [21:38:26] | justinh: | dunno what else you can try really |
| [21:39:10] | ajack_: | aye sourceid is 1 for all chans |
| [21:39:19] | ajack_: | hmm oh well, i'll keep plugging on with it |
| [21:39:32] | justinh: | and just for the record you're using a dvb-s tuner right? ;-) |
| [21:39:33] | ajack_: | is it possible to use xmltv for freesat listings? if so i might as well give that a go |
| [21:39:42] | justinh: | not expecting the data to magically come down a video input |
| [21:39:55] | justinh: | yeah you can use xmltv for freesat |
| [21:39:55] | ajack_: | haha yeah :D |
| [21:40:20] | justinh: | not sure it covers all the channels – but it'll definitely have all the non-crap ones |
| [21:40:21] | ajack_: | i think i might give that a shot |
| [21:41:01] | justinh: | 14 days, movie star ratings, nice long descriptions.. plenty going for it |
| [21:41:37] | ajack_: | that's good enough for me :D |
| [21:41:51] | ajack_: | plus it's for the rents so when i go back to uni i can forget about it ;) |
| [21:41:54] | justinh: | the only real disadvantage of course is that it's not updated in real time |
| [21:42:43] | ajack_: | yeah that shouldn't pose such a problem |
| [21:42:44] | justinh: | so if $sport overruns.. :-( |
| [21:43:16] | ajack_: | yeah, they watch a rather minimal amount of tv so it should be fine |
| [21:43:34] | justinh: | I just bought my parents a freeview dvr |
| [21:43:41] | justinh: | well not just. a while back |
| [21:44:21] | ajack_: | aye, i had a few parts kicking around and they'd just cancelled sky so thought i'd introduce them into the world of myth |
| [21:44:44] | justinh: | get dyndns & have a means of ssh'ing in |
| [21:45:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | And program the 'power' button on the remote to restart mythfrontend... ;-) |
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| [21:46:03] | ajack_: | haha yeah, i'm having trouble getting the damn Back button on the hauppauge remote working so that's causing no end of nightmares |
| [21:47:33] | justinh: | lirc is a pussycat |
| [21:48:10] | ajack_: | i'm not big on cats ;) |
| [21:48:29] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [21:48:37] | justinh: | time for more drinks |
| [21:48:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | ajack_: run irw – if pressing the back button produces output on your screen, then fix your .lircrc file... |
| [21:48:44] | ajack_: | ok i've been summoned to the pub, cheers for the help, i'll probably be back in tomorrow :D |
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| [21:49:10] | AndyCap: | justinh: gnawing on cables, ripping up your paper, scratching up your couch. |
| [21:49:18] | ajack_: | i'm pretty sure it doesn't register with irw but i'll make sure tomorrow |
| [21:49:19] | ajack_: | o/ |
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| [21:50:25] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: are you free? |
| [21:52:53] | wagnerrp: | [Steven_M]: sure, what do you need? |
| [21:53:40] | wagnerrp: | although i might be a bit limited from running 1024x768 on a slow connection over vnc |
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| [21:57:03] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: I'm going to change to an nvidia graphics card, may I send you a copy of an html e-mail detailing the card I'm thinking of getting, so that you can tell me whether it's a good choice. |
| [21:57:19] | [Steven_M]: | ? |
| [21:57:38] | wagnerrp: | just paste the link in here |
| [21:58:01] | wagnerrp: | what specifically are you looking for in the card? |
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| [22:02:41] | [Steven_M]: | one that can play live mythtv really well and can handle on board deinterlacing. (and record really good quality also) |
| [22:03:21] | [Steven_M]: | @ wagnerrp |
| [22:03:48] | wagnerrp: | any vdpau card will handle any livetv you throw at it (except mjpeg/mpeg4 framegrabbers) |
| [22:04:18] | wagnerrp: | assuming you send it a relatively clean recording, that vdpau wont barf on |
| [22:04:47] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT |
| [22:04:52] | wagnerrp: | as far as deint, 8600/9500/220 is the recommended minimum for advanced 2x deint on 1080i material |
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| [22:08:10] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: my ati graphics under mythbuntu had trouble deint a while back. |
| [22:09:19] | wagnerrp: | your ati graphics card did no such thing |
| [22:09:31] | wagnerrp: | since it has no hardware acceleration support besides Xv |
| [22:11:12] | Nidhoegger: | hi, im trying to get my TV card with mythtv to work. But all i get is when i Press on TV is the message "please wait", then after 5 sec it goes back without further notice to the main menu |
| [22:11:12] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: oh ok (I was using the closed sourced driver) |
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| [22:12:10] | wagnerrp: | [Steven_M]: thats fine, but only very recently (some time in november) has ATI actually enabled support for hardware video decoding in their cards |
| [22:12:19] | wagnerrp: | and then, only on the 4-series and better chips |
| [22:12:33] | wagnerrp: | and then theres still no mythtv support for VAAPI to use it anyway |
| [22:13:17] | [Steven_M]: | oh I see |
| [22:13:18] | Nidhoegger: | ive tried to test the TV card the program "tvtime" and its working pretty well with it |
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| [22:14:27] | [Steven_M]: | can the nvida modle I posted do hardware dint? |
| [22:15:25] | Nidhoegger: | which did you post? |
| [22:15:36] | Nidhoegger: | why not using the closes source nvidia driver? it works very well |
| [22:16:20] | wagnerrp: | does the card you posted meet or exceed the minimum recommended cards i listed in each of the last three generations? |
| [22:17:46] | Nidhoegger: | is there a grabber script for german users? like the tmbd.py |
| [22:18:01] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: yes, sorry |
| [22:18:03] | justinh: | tmdb doesn't have german movies? :-O |
| [22:18:25] | Nidhoegger: | yeah, but a similar script for a german site? |
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| [22:18:51] | wagnerrp: | no, it does... except the german language metadata (and non-english in general) is lacking |
| [22:19:05] | justinh: | well it's up to users to contribute info then :) |
| [22:19:12] | Nidhoegger: | okay |
| [22:19:25] | Nidhoegger: | so basically the tmdb.pl should work for germans as well? |
| [22:19:33] | justinh: | anyway for there to be a grabber for a site, you have to conform to the site's terms |
| [22:19:46] | justinh: | Nidhoegger: should do, but the info may be lacking |
| [22:19:56] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I read on the TMDB forum that German entries were the second most after english, but right now there is not a way to specifically identify or retrieve them, That feature is coming very soon. |
| [22:19:57] | justinh: | but until users contribute the info ... |
| [22:20:00] | Nidhoegger: | okay thank you! |
| [22:20:12] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:20:29] | wagnerrp: | Nidhoegger: if youve got a page in mind, http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_Grabber_Script_Format |
| [22:20:33] | justinh: | well, everyone knows english anyway right? ;-) |
| [22:21:04] | wagnerrp: | assuming you can scrape in a manner compliant with the site's TOS, you likely wont have any trouble getting it included in mythtv |
| [22:21:07] | justinh: | don't forget that any official grabber script has to conform to a site's usage terms |
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| [22:21:34] | justinh: | if scraping/parsing is not allowed, it will never be considered for inclusion |
| [22:22:21] | Nidhoegger: | in which language has the script to be written? or can i program a program as well? |
| [22:22:52] | wagnerrp: | Nidhoegger: as long as it conforms to that page, it doesnt matter |
| [22:23:12] | Nidhoegger: | okay thanks, i think ill search for one and try writing :D |
| [22:23:14] | RDV_Linux: | In trunk there is a new tmdb grabber that supports language selections and which will be enabled when TMDB has that feature enabled. (tmdb.py) |
| [22:23:24] | Nidhoegger: | ah cool |
| [22:23:40] | Nidhoegger: | is a date when tmdb will enable it? |
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| [22:24:45] | RDV_Linux: | Not the last time I checked. The site is being revamped then after that the multi-language feature will be added. |
| [22:25:26] | wagnerrp: | Nidhoegger: note that the wiki page ive listed is for the new format listed in trunk |
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| [22:25:37] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: I don't have myth setup at the moment, so I can't remeber all the dint options, but I want to get a card that can handle the most advanced method. from memery there was a dropdown menu with options like blob2 etc |
| [22:25:49] | justinh: | memery? |
| [22:25:51] | justinh: | blob2? |
| [22:25:53] | wagnerrp: | it *should* work fine with 0.22, but you will have to manually define each of those commands in the settings individually |
| [22:25:56] | justinh: | you mean Bob2x |
| [22:26:23] | wagnerrp: | in 0.23, myth will autodetect any compliant scripts in the proper folder, and provide a list for you to choose from |
| [22:26:27] | justinh: | [Steven_M]: vdpau deinterlacing is way better |
| [22:27:12] | wagnerrp: | [Steven_M]: those minimum cards i had listed were the minimum cards for each of the last three generations capable of 'advanced 2x' deint at 1080i |
| [22:27:40] | wagnerrp: | any 8-series or better card (except the original G80 cards) are capable of VDPAU |
| [22:28:38] | wagnerrp: | so... another fluffer on the mailing list yesterday wanting to run mythtv in a VM |
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| [22:29:39] | justinh: | saw a comment on twitter about somebody wanting to be an 'uber geek' by doing such a stupid thing |
| [22:29:51] | justinh: | leave em to it. jack asses |
| [22:29:55] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I wasn't in any hurry to get my latest patch committed but now that it's being used to discuss unrelated problem I wouldn't mind it being closed as invalid |
| [22:30:25] | justinh: | elmojo: just ask for it to be locked |
| [22:30:26] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Was under the impression that your patch still bears being applied? |
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| [22:30:37] | justinh: | I'd do it, only I can't :-( |
| [22:30:46] | iamlindoro: | I'll lock it if you like, but I think most of the discussion is going on on the list |
| [22:31:46] | elmojo: | it is on the list... but it's annoying me for some reason |
| [22:32:17] | iamlindoro: | I know, but Think the core issue which your ticket addresses is valid-- don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater |
| [22:32:20] | justinh: | should send peeps some sample video from Five here in the UK to disprove the interlace/progressive flip deniers |
| [22:32:44] | elmojo: | justinh: I would actually like a sample if you don't mind |
| [22:33:04] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: so advanced 2x is all I need? I don't know what vdpau stands for and I don't know what the difference beteen that and other methods like bob*2 |
| [22:33:12] | elmojo: | justinh: is it h.264 or mpeg-2? |
| [22:33:26] | wagnerrp: | [Steven_M]: advanced 2x is the most demanding deint filter vdpau supports |
| [22:33:34] | wagnerrp: | if you can manage that, you can manage anything else it offers |
| [22:33:36] | justinh: | elmojo: mpeg2 |
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| [22:34:03] | justinh: | [Steven_M]: put it this way, motion interpolation & the works. you don't get that with bob 2x |
| [22:34:05] | wagnerrp: | vdpau is nvidia's hardware video acceleration API |
| [22:34:36] | wagnerrp: | vdpau is in no way synonymous with bob 2x |
| [22:34:55] | justinh: | vdpau deinterlacing is actual video processing |
| [22:35:06] | justinh: | deinterlacing *properly* in other words |
| [22:35:15] | justinh: | as good as it gets |
| [22:35:35] | justinh: | whether you'd notice the difference is up for debate... |
| [22:35:40] | elmojo: | justinh: cool, I wouldn't mind you sending me a sample of that in a tarball that just so happens to have your theme |
| [22:35:55] | justinh: | it's nowhere near ready yet |
| [22:36:07] | elmojo: | just joking... but I really do like it |
| [22:36:09] | justinh: | can't bear to even look at my dev box right now for some reason |
| [22:36:19] | justinh: | so much I still wanna do too |
| [22:36:38] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: ok cool :) would the card I posted handle high-def as well, not that there's high-def in my area yet? |
| [22:36:44] | justinh: | I guess wanting to is part of the motivation process |
| [22:36:48] | justinh: | [Steven_M]: FFS. YES |
| [22:37:09] | justinh: | [Steven_M]: for God's sakes will you READ what people tell you? |
| [22:37:29] | justinh: | I've been reading & wagnerrp wasn't even directing it at me |
| [22:38:00] | justinh: | 1080i is high definition yeah? so YEAH it'll handle HD |
| [22:38:20] | justinh: | people wonder why folks round here have short fuses. damnit |
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| [22:39:37] | Dagmar: | The proper thing to do would be to watch less TV until "normal" brain function resumes. |
| [22:40:26] | justinh: | the rot sets in when people put the teevee on as background noise |
| [22:40:27] | elmojo: | justinh: back to your interlace/progressive flip broadcasts that happens in the states too |
| [22:40:47] | justinh: | elmojo: it's totally a compression optimisation thing I think |
| [22:41:00] | elmojo: | yes, according to markk that is the reason |
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| [22:41:12] | justinh: | if 2 fields are near enough the same, send only one |
| [22:41:14] | elmojo: | we should handle it properly now though |
| [22:41:40] | elmojo: | does it play correctly? |
| [22:41:42] | justinh: | come to think about it, I've not seen the side effects for a while |
| [22:41:58] | justinh: | not even on 0.21 |
| [22:41:59] | elmojo: | we lock to interlaced if we see any interlaced frames now |
| [22:42:06] | justinh: | cool :) |
| [22:42:09] | [Steven_M]: | justinh: sorry :( I didn't realise that 1080i == high definition I don't understand all the terms. I use the terms HD and SD. I didn't mean to annoy you :( |
| [22:42:27] | Dagmar: | You shoudl probably read some websites then so you can actually learn something useful |
| [22:42:55] | Dagmar: | At the moment the average salesperson at Best Buy knows more than you, which is kinda sad. |
| [22:42:57] | elmojo: | justinh: although if the frames are flagged to be repeated then my latest patch handles it properly |
| [22:44:04] | justinh: | elmojo: cool, I just brought it up since it was mentioned in the thread & I saw daniel kinda deny it ever happens in the wild. It technically shouldn't but there's no accounting for those evil broadcasters |
| [22:44:53] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: did I annoy you as well? |
| [22:44:56] | justinh: | course that might have been the drink helping me interpret it |
| [22:45:27] | ** justinh goes to bed ** | |
| [22:45:37] | justinh: | thanks elmojo anyway |
| [22:45:57] | elmojo: | justinh: you would only notice the progressive/interlaced switching if using advanced deinterlacers that used multiple frames |
| [22:46:05] | elmojo: | justinh: no problem |
| [22:46:42] | wagnerrp: | [Steven_M]: if you noticed, i just kept giving you the same information i did originally |
| [22:47:00] | Dagmar: | Read the words aloud if it'll help |
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| [22:48:27] | Nidhoegger: | has someone an url for the mythtv trunk? |
| [22:48:50] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: yeah, but I didn't understand all the terms |
| [22:48:54] | Dagmar: | Nidhoegger: Nothing google doesn't already know about |
| [22:49:12] | Nidhoegger: | i thought about an online viewer, dont wanna check it out |
| [22:49:26] | wagnerrp: | Nidhoegger: there a link to trac at the top of the front page on the wiki |
| [22:50:02] | Nidhoegger: | ah okay, thanks! |
| [22:50:28] | [Steven_M]: | wagnerrp: I just have 4 remaining questions if you don't mind |
| [22:50:52] | wagnerrp: | nope, heading home... |
| [22:51:11] | [Steven_M]: | oh :( |
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| [22:51:53] | Nidhoegger: | is there a working ofdb.py yet? ive just found thats it is broken |
| [22:54:07] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: on the positive side... this OT discussion didn't happen in Trac... and no one has top posted yet |
| [22:54:31] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: And it's on the right list for the discussion, even... I'm afraid to move for fear that will change ;) |
| [22:54:46] | elmojo: | hehe |
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| [22:55:12] | [Steven_M]: | has anyone else been following the conversation with me and wagnerrp who can answer my 4 reaming questions? |
| [22:55:42] | iamlindoro: | youch, reaming questions sound painful |
| [22:55:50] | iamlindoro: | someone else can answer those |
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| [22:56:30] | iamlindoro: | or, put more succinctly, literacy fail! |
| [22:57:03] | [Steven_M]: | iamlindoro: I'll wait for wagnerrp another day then |
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| [22:59:59] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you notice much telecined content with Bluray? |
| [23:00:07] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Haven't seen any |
| [23:00:13] | elmojo: | I guess because 24p is allowed that it wouldn't have much |
| [23:00:23] | iamlindoro: | I can think of one set of disks that my folks own that *might* be |
| [23:00:42] | elmojo: | just thinking of other places I can get samples to test |
| [23:01:03] | elmojo: | would really like some h264 material with repeated frames |
| [23:01:32] | elmojo: | cause I'd like to match up the video timestamps with repeating frames |
| [23:03:38] | elmojo: | I'm guessing h264 may be compressed enough that broadcasters don't play the games they do with mpeg-2 |
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| [23:39:18] | Nidhoegger: | is the imdbpy.py script having issues? it finds my titles, but then an error occurs |
| [23:39:40] | Nidhoegger: | ill write it down, mom |
| [23:41:01] | Nidhoegger: | i press W, then a list with possible titles comes up, i can select one, but then in the background the error occurs: "VIdeo Query Search failed: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imdb/parser/http/utils.py:412: UserWarning: |
| [23:41:55] | Nidhoegger: | ah and the terminal says about not finding the lxml.html module |
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