| Wednesday, December 16th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:13] | wilberfan: | i'm an advanced noob, and have run out of ideas on what could be wrong... |
| [00:00:31] | Dagmar: | Read up on lirc works--it's on the website |
| [00:00:46] | wilberfan: | i've been down that path... |
| [00:01:03] | Dagmar: | No you haven't or you'd be saying something more specific about the problem |
| [00:01:13] | wilberfan: | trying to ease into it! |
| [00:01:31] | Dagmar: | I personally made sure explanation of how lirc works and how to debug each step is on wiki.mythtv.org |
| [00:01:31] | wilberfan: | i think the problem is that the lirc daemon won't start...but i can't tell why... |
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| [00:07:55] | wilberfan: | okay, a different problem: any idea why my cursor doesn't appear when I start up the frontend on my computer lcd? |
| [00:08:49] | wilberfan: | it appears on the taskbars, etc, but as soon as it moves over the myth screen, it's gone. I can still click on items--i just can't see the pointer... |
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| [00:09:54] | Dagmar: | because Myth was designed to be used with a remote, not a mouse |
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| [00:10:06] | Dagmar: | Mouse pointers on the screen generally irritate people and there's no much you can do with one |
| [00:10:20] | Dagmar: | There's an option in the frontend setup menus to turn it back on |
| [00:11:00] | wilberfan: | i wondered about that...! |
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| [00:12:43] | antgel: | *sigh* i can't believe the mailing list isn't game, what a headache |
| [00:12:43] | antgel: | anybody care to guess why my frontend log is *full* of [h264_vdpau @ 0x7f2ce48fa180]number of reference frames exceeds max (probably corrupt input), discarding one |
| [00:14:00] | Dagmar: | "probably corrupt input" |
| [00:14:29] | Dagmar: | Google that and "vdpau" |
| [00:17:20] | elmojo: | antgel: I didn't the post about your problem... got a link? |
| [00:17:59] | wilberfan: | there it is!! "hide mouse cursor in MythTV"... =\ |
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| [00:20:27] | antgel: | Dagmar: thanks |
| [00:20:46] | antgel: | elmojo: oops, i mean "on gmane", not "game" |
| [00:20:51] | antgel: | *meant |
| [00:20:57] | antgel: | <--- tired |
| [00:21:00] | Dagmar: | I looked at your hostname and figured the 'slightly corrupt video' theory was probably correct |
| [00:21:19] | Dagmar: | ...cuz you werne't saying "My screen is filled with crappy colored blocks" |
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| [00:22:42] | elmojo: | antgel: in addition to your logs getting those messages are you also seeing corrupt playback? |
| [00:22:46] | antgel: | Dagmar: is ^^ for me? |
| [00:22:55] | antgel: | elmojo: no, playback is hunky-dory |
| [00:23:47] | Dagmar: | Yes |
| [00:26:03] | antgel: | hmm, late here. will continue this tomorrow, maybe weekend. thanks people |
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| [00:27:24] | elmojo: | antgel: it's usually best to play your video with upstream FFmpeg to see if the messages still occur |
| [00:27:53] | elmojo: | with their own ffplay player |
| [00:28:18] | elmojo: | lots of h264 updates recently |
| [00:29:33] | antgel: | elmojo: *nod* thanks |
| [00:29:57] | antgel: | thing is, i only care in as much as my logfiles are full of it :) |
| [00:30:04] | antgel: | which is a big issue |
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| [00:35:59] | Led-Hed: | did the menu order change with 0.22? Wasn't "Watch LiveTV" usually the first menu item? |
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| [00:37:28] | elmojo: | antgel: if you compile your own then just look at the function myth_av_log in libs/libmythtv/avformatdecoder.cpp and comment out the VERBOSE line |
| [00:38:45] | elmojo: | of course you will never see AV_LOG_ERROR message from the libav libraries again :) |
| [00:38:59] | mzb: | Led-Hed, yes |
| [00:39:19] | Led-Hed: | mzb, ok, thanks. |
| [00:39:37] | Led-Hed: | Its gonna take the wife and kids some time to get used to it. |
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| [00:39:51] | Led-Hed: | they always complain when things change |
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| [00:57:10] | Led-Hed: | Anyone having trouble with the Video window in the program guide (from LiveTV)? |
| [00:57:26] | Led-Hed: | Mine comes up black, but audio is fine. |
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| [01:55:12] | gehre1: | lose ability to tune digital ota when I suspend system. Fix is restart. Is there another option? |
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| [02:05:51] | bobgill: | anyone here use popcorn hour/Western digital TV frontend/etc. frontends and play back HD content? I'm just curious as to the performance, I am considering a frontend of either one of these or getting a Zotac board... just concerned about stuttering and whatnot with HD content or if it's fine and dandy smooth.. |
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| [02:07:22] | wagnerrp: | neither of the former will run mythfrontend |
| [02:07:29] | wagnerrp: | you can use UPNP only with those |
| [02:07:54] | [TheAsp]: | Is there a way to fix an issue I am having with recording FOX HD (WUHFDT) over firewire? my cable box says it's not 5c encrypted, but most of the time I am unable to record shows off of this station. It seems to be only during prime time. |
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| [02:10:24] | iamlindoro: | something sacrilegious about using a GPL violating box as your frontend to your GPL DVR |
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| [02:15:13] | bobgill: | oh it will not be a mythfrontend.. just need a frontend for a friend, just to watch HD .mkv's |
| [02:15:27] | bobgill: | he doesn't have mythtv |
| [02:15:45] | iamlindoro: | they're still dirty GPL violators ;) |
| [02:15:57] | bobgill: | hehe |
| [02:16:11] | iamlindoro: | Personally wouldn't suggest buying hardware from people who stole code to build it |
| [02:16:21] | wagnerrp: | with a WDTV do bluray content? |
| [02:16:32] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea whats in that thing |
| [02:16:43] | iamlindoro: | Yet another Sigma box |
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| [02:17:44] | iamlindoro: | http://www.techtickerblog.com/2009/11/27/wd-tv-live-review/ |
| [02:17:47] | iamlindoro: | Codecs and containers thre |
| [02:17:48] | iamlindoro: | there |
| [02:18:52] | bobgill: | thanks iamlindoro |
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| [02:20:35] | bobgill: | hmm yes, does state that it plays back the format (mkv and h.264,etc.) however nothing about the performance |
| [02:20:49] | bobgill: | I think a zotac board + case would be the ideal route |
| [02:21:02] | bobgill: | with XBMC or boxee |
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| [02:50:28] | d3fa: | good evening folks. I've completed the setup of F12. I have installed QT4 using yum. I used yum to install all the libraries that are needed. I used svn to grab mythtv. I'm recompiled mythtv and plugins. When I ran mythfrontend, I'm back to the dreaded Pulse Audio is running :( http://www.pastebin.ca/1716585 |
| [02:51:17] | [R]: | so either enable pulseaudio support when you comjpile myth... or the better solution is to remove that crap |
| [02:52:06] | d3fa: | I saw this same message this morning. When I installed, pulseaudio and recompiled myth, but I got almost the same message but it was "Pulse audio is running, connection refused". I'm thinking that if I recompile myth again, I will encounter the same message |
| [02:52:15] | d3fa: | yeah, I would like to remove it but don't know how |
| [02:52:54] | [R]: | yum erase pulseaudio |
| [02:53:00] | [R]: | make sure it doenst remove anything it shoudln't |
| [02:53:18] | d3fa: | let me try that |
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| [02:54:38] | defaultr0: | wow, it's going to remove 54 packages |
| [02:55:10] | defaultr0: | i mean, when I did this, yum erase pulseaudio-libs |
| [02:55:26] | defaultr0: | this pulseaudio stuff has been so friggin annoying thing since this morning |
| [02:55:49] | [R]: | when did i tell you to do that? |
| [02:56:03] | defaultr0: | i remove the pulseaudio |
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| [02:56:11] | defaultr0: | but pulseaudio was still running |
| [02:56:21] | [R]: | you have to either kill it or reboot |
| [02:56:24] | [R]: | its not gonna stop by itself |
| [02:56:31] | defaultr0: | let me try it |
| [02:56:51] | defaultr0: | ok, kill will work this time since the binary is gone :) |
| [02:57:06] | defaultr0: | this afternoon, everytime I kill it with -9, it comes back |
| [02:57:21] | defaultr0: | sweet |
| [02:58:02] | defaultr0: | this is better now, mfe doesn't segfault anymore :) |
| [03:00:16] | defaultr0: | oh no, I have one problem. I can't find libqsqlmysql.so |
| [03:00:47] | defaultr0: | who provides it? |
| [03:00:50] | [R]: | qt |
| [03:01:05] | defaultr0: | yep, i have qt installed but i can't find it |
| [03:01:20] | clever: | ii libqt4-sql-mysql 4.4.0–1ubuntu5~hardy1 Qt 4 MySQL database driver |
| [03:01:24] | clever: | ii libqt3-mt-mysql 3:3.3.8-b-0ubuntu3 MySQL database driver for Qt3 (Threaded) |
| [03:01:28] | clever: | one of those packages (on ubuntu) |
| [03:01:38] | clever: | depending on if your using qt3 or 4 |
| [03:01:40] | defaultr0: | am I missing something, http://www.pastebin.ca/1716593 |
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| [03:01:56] | defaultr0: | ah |
| [03:02:00] | defaultr0: | i don't see qt-mysql |
| [03:02:11] | defaultr0: | i remember seeing it |
| [03:02:38] | defaultr0: | installing :) |
| [03:02:49] | defaultr0: | bam, /usr/lib64/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| [03:03:01] | clever: | * x11-libs/qt-sql |
| [03:03:12] | defaultr0: | nice, mythfrontend is running now |
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| [03:03:36] | defaultr0: | i remember, the howto said, the first time we run mythfrontend, it will ask for the backend machine |
| [03:03:42] | defaultr0: | brb, I'll go to the tv now |
| [03:03:44] | defaultr0: | :) |
| [03:03:48] | clever: | it needs the mysql server info |
| [03:03:54] | clever: | which then points to the backend |
| [03:06:07] | defaultr0: | geesh, after supplying the language, ip address and pressing next button, it seqfaulted again |
| [03:06:14] | defaultr0: | this is too much!!! :( |
| [03:07:17] | defaultr0: | yep, yesterday, i used the tar.gz and I didn't have problems connecting to the backend. The only problem was that mythplugins weren't showing. I was told to use SVN version which I did. But it's a pain right now |
| [03:07:30] | defaultr0: | i will backtrace it |
| [03:07:32] | defaultr0: | :( |
| [03:08:48] | defaultr0: | here is what I am seeing, looks like it wasn't able to record that IP address I put since it segfaulted |
| [03:09:14] | defaultr0: | I would like to sql insert it manually. How is the ip address stored on the remote frontend? |
| [03:09:27] | defaultr0: | or where is it saved? |
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| [03:12:03] | defaultr0: | something is really wrong with svn or I might be doing something wrong |
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| [03:35:06] | BrionS: | WriteAudio: buffer underrun and NVP(9): Video is xxx frames behind audio is driving me nuts – only the internal player seems to have problems playing video – mplayer doesn't |
| [03:36:13] | BrionS: | all the threads I can find on this talk about playing with various playback profiles, but I've been from XvMC to VDPAU and Standard with only more or less success but always buffer underruns in short bursts at irregular intervals and very low CPU usage |
| [03:36:25] | BrionS: | NVidia GeForce 8800 GS |
| [03:36:41] | BrionS: | 2 GB RAM |
| [03:36:55] | BrionS: | Pentium D 3Ghz |
| [03:37:08] | BrionS: | so it really should be able to handle simple 720p HD |
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| [03:37:32] | BrionS: | though this problem manifests itself in DVD rips and SD recordings as well |
| [03:37:44] | BrionS: | any thoughts or suggestions? |
| [03:38:07] | BrionS: | I've got extra audio buffering on but aggressive sound card buffering off |
| [03:38:29] | BrionS: | AC3 passthrough checked because my audio is coax out to my receiver |
| [03:38:33] | BrionS: | using ALSA |
| [03:39:24] | BrionS: | the VDPAU Slim profile works the best but there are still bouts of WriteAudio: buffer underrun even with that |
| [03:40:10] | BrionS: | if I could force MythTV to never use the internal player and just use MPlayer I'd probably be better off, but I don't understand why the internal play is so problematic if MPlayer doesn't have a problem |
| [03:41:04] | BrionS: | video is from a NAS share but "always stream from backend" is checked (per a suggestion on a thread) |
| [03:41:12] | BrionS: | er, NFS share |
| [03:41:30] | BrionS: | again, mplayer has no problem streaming the file so I don't think it's NFS (on a gigabit LAN) |
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| [03:44:43] | BrionS: | not using realtime threads, not using OpenGL vertical syncing either |
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| [03:45:14] | floppyears: | hi guys, I downloaded mythtv from source to compile |
| [03:45:19] | floppyears: | everything is working good so far |
| [03:45:36] | floppyears: | what is the mythextras folder? what is nuvexport and how do I install the contents in mythextras? |
| [03:46:08] | BrionS: | nuvexport is a tool used to backup recordings I believe |
| [03:46:23] | BrionS: | not familiar with mythextras |
| [03:47:56] | floppyears: | BrionS: yep that's correct about nuvexport. I finally found a wiki article about it, I'm still trying to figure out MythFlash and logos |
| [03:49:23] | defaultr0: | iamlindoro, i think this is a better backtrace. I got more lines, http://www.pastebin.ca/1716627 |
| [03:49:43] | iamlindoro: | no, that's no better |
| [03:49:46] | [R]: | floppyears: if you seriously cant figure out what the logos dir is... |
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| [03:53:01] | floppyears: | [R]: there's no make file or anything in that directory, so I don't know how they get placed in the correct location within /usr/local/... |
| [03:53:17] | [R]: | who says they got in /usr/local? |
| [03:53:20] | [R]: | go* |
| [03:54:55] | defaultr0: | how come, if I use gdb, I can see mythfrontend gui with a window saying cannot connect to ip address or something. Then an OK button. However, pressing enter doesn't do anything. If I run mythfrontend without gdb, it connects to backend server ip address which is 192.169.1.50 but at the end, mythcontext connects to 127.0.0.1:6543 then seqfaults |
| [03:55:42] | floppyears: | [R]: I thought a common place for people who compile their own programs was to place them under /usr/local |
| [03:55:56] | defaultr0: | this is just a regular mythfrontend log on screen, http://www.pastebin.ca/1716633 |
| [03:56:00] | [R]: | floppyears: and? |
| [03:56:28] | [R]: | floppyears: last i checked 2 png files don't constitude a program |
| [03:56:32] | [R]: | constitute* |
| [03:56:48] | floppyears: | [R]: I know, but I'm assuming they are used by some other program... |
| [03:57:17] | BrionS: | floppyears: you know what assuming does... |
| [03:57:17] | defaultr0: | the one thing I can't understand is that my myth using the tarball worked fine although mythplugins wasn't there. But using svn, I encountered issues |
| [03:57:28] | [R]: | floppyears: now why would you assume that? |
| [03:57:53] | defaultr0: | i think the backtrace I gave to you doesn't contain the segfault since the gui was still running |
| [03:58:08] | floppyears: | [R]: somebody placed them in svn, so I figured they would be used by other stuff in svn |
| [03:58:17] | defaultr0: | I think, this line is what's causing the failure "MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1)" |
| [03:58:22] | iamlindoro: | defaultr0, running it in gdb halts it at the segfault until you quit |
| [03:58:27] | iamlindoro: | and no, it's not |
| [03:58:31] | iamlindoro: | your backtrace is still useless |
| [03:58:36] | [R]: | floppyears: theres also a directory full of .md5sum and also nothing to install them anywhere |
| [03:58:41] | defaultr0: | so what should I do? I just followed section 22 |
| [03:58:44] | iamlindoro: | it's not in Myth, and it's in an unidentifiable thread |
| [03:58:52] | defaultr0: | oh |
| [03:58:52] | iamlindoro: | Did you reinstall? |
| [03:58:54] | defaultr0: | yes |
| [03:59:02] | defaultr0: | i reinstalled from scratch, F12 |
| [03:59:04] | iamlindoro: | something very messed up, then, no advice for you |
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| [03:59:29] | iamlindoro: | with a medium helping of no time at the moment |
| [03:59:30] | defaultr0: | if I install from tarball and it works, what does it mean? |
| [03:59:38] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [03:59:46] | defaultr0: | so hopefully someone can chime in |
| [04:00:26] | defaultr0: | also, I didn't download QT4 from nokia. I used the one from Fedora |
| [04:01:06] | defaultr0: | i'll try the tarball since the svn right now is failing. |
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| [04:01:44] | floppyears: | [R]: yeah, I was just making sure I was configuring things correctly since there's a lot of old and bad instructions on the web |
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| [04:06:51] | oktiv: | good evening all. i have installed 9.10 64bit and set it up. using the new "terra" theme, the default behavior when starting myth is having the "watch recordings" menu selected. is there a way to have the "watch tv" menu item selected instead? |
| [04:07:33] | [R]: | you acn create a custom menu |
| [04:07:37] | [R]: | that has watch tv first |
| [04:07:58] | oktiv: | and select it instead of default right? |
| [04:08:09] | [R]: | huh? |
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| [04:09:00] | oktiv: | hang on |
| [04:09:24] | BrionS: | oktiv: check this out – http://tips.myhdbox.com/2006/04/tip-2-how-to- . . . vs-menus.php |
| [04:10:19] | oktiv: | ok cool, i'll get on that in a minute |
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| [04:11:32] | oktiv: | next question. is the new "terra" theme suppose to be kind of faded on the program guide? please hold for a screenshot |
| [04:12:09] | BrionS: | oktiv: I expect it should look like this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra |
| [04:15:37] | oktiv: | i like the custom background, have to put that on the list. here is what i mean, it seems faded to me http://www.imagebam.com/image/f13d7b60026561 |
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| [04:16:31] | BrionS: | oktiv: looks normal to me |
| [04:17:55] | oktiv: | ok good to know, it just feels a bit too detuned or desaturated |
| [04:18:12] | oktiv: | IMO |
| [04:19:05] | oktiv: | i do like the theme though, very nicely put together |
| [04:20:25] | oktiv: | thanks BrianS |
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| [04:25:06] | jonrob287: | how does mythtv work? |
| [04:27:48] | Dagmar: | Go to wiki.mythtv.org. Type "executive overview" in the search box. |
| [04:27:57] | BrionS: | jonrob287: electricity primarily ;) |
| [04:28:12] | ctmjr: | jonrob287: this might help http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythtv |
| [04:28:17] | [R]: | oh man... i've missed commerical skip |
| [04:28:19] | ** [R] hugs it ** | |
| [04:29:07] | BrionS: | lol @ [R] |
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| [04:42:42] | defaultr0: | iamlindoro, something is really wrong with F12 |
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| [04:43:09] | defaultr0: | so here is the picture when I run mythfrontend in gdb. Here is the OK button that I was talking to you about. http://restricted.dyndns.org/mfe_on_gdb.jpg |
| [04:43:26] | defaultr0: | if I don't run it in gdb, it segfaults |
| [04:43:40] | defaultr0: | so I wasn't sure if there is anything that I should type in the gdb console |
| [04:43:49] | defaultr0: | pressing ok button doesn't do anything |
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| [05:44:41] | iamlindoro: | Heh. http://www.gadgetwisdom.com/ |
| [05:48:26] | defaultr0: | +iamlindoro, I'm so sorry if I am bothering you so so much. Do you think if I install the 32-bit version of Fedora, it will work better? |
| [05:48:59] | defaultr0: | and does it matter since i don't use -libdir=lib64 in configure |
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| [05:49:06] | iamlindoro: | defaultr0, I would be guessing either way. |
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| [05:49:24] | defaultr0: | the mythtv package from rpmfusion didn't work either, LOL |
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| [05:49:42] | defaultr0: | something is friggin wrong with Fefora 12 |
| [05:50:05] | defaultr0: | maybe, I should try a different os. Any suggestions? |
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| [06:08:12] | k_ross: | defaultr0: maybe a prerolled distro like mythbuntu? |
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| [06:12:37] | dserban_: | this is gettin' ... stupid |
| [06:13:57] | k_ross: | just a tad |
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| [07:17:22] | fhobia: | i just scheduled a recording and saw mythtv record it (green light saying recording and status says tuner recording) but no files are saved on the file system? any ideas why ? |
| [07:18:05] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [07:18:21] | fhobia: | wagnerrp: where are those ? |
| [07:18:21] | wagnerrp: | could be a bad tune, could be file permissions, could be any number of other things |
| [07:18:29] | wagnerrp: | depends entirely on your distro |
| [07:18:35] | wagnerrp: | a good place to check would be /var/log |
| [07:18:39] | fhobia: | ah, i think i see it, /var/log/mythbackend.log |
| [07:18:41] | wagnerrp: | maybe /var/log/mythtv/ |
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| [07:24:55] | fhobia: | rats, logs are clean |
| [07:28:09] | defaultr0: | finally, got myth working on my new machine but I used the one from yum. |
| [07:28:37] | defaultr0: | can mythvideo stream? I looked at the logs and mythvideo is loading the file locally |
| [07:28:59] | wagnerrp: | over storage groups like recordings? yes, if you set it up as such |
| [07:28:59] | defaultr0: | i'm doing this from the remote mythfrontend |
| [07:29:08] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [07:29:12] | defaultr0: | where do I go? |
| [07:29:20] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is in a transition period, in which both local and storage group file access methods exist |
| [07:29:36] | wagnerrp: | local access is in the frontend settings (where it has always been) |
| [07:29:55] | wagnerrp: | storage group access is in the SG setup in mythtv-setup (also where it has always been) |
| [07:29:58] | defaultr0: | so I will have to setup network access like mounting it as a samba share? |
| [07:30:12] | wagnerrp: | if you choose to go with local access |
| [07:30:24] | defaultr0: | i like SG so I can learn a new feaure |
| [07:30:29] | defaultr0: | feature |
| [07:30:47] | wagnerrp: | if you use SGs, the files are pushed over mythproto from the backend |
| [07:30:55] | defaultr0: | so close mythfrontend then fire up mythtv setup in the client machine right? |
| [07:30:58] | wagnerrp: | so no nfs/cifs needed on remote frontends |
| [07:31:04] | defaultr0: | nice, that's what I want |
| [07:31:07] | wagnerrp: | (and mythbackend) |
| [07:31:21] | defaultr0: | but what about my playcommand entries, it's pointing to /usr/local/bin/mplayer |
| [07:31:23] | wagnerrp: | (on the backend housing the storage) |
| [07:31:28] | wagnerrp: | that will not work |
| [07:31:32] | wagnerrp: | you must use Internal |
| [07:31:39] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [07:31:58] | defaultr0: | how do I change it back to internal? |
| [07:32:10] | wagnerrp: | by setting it to 'Internal' |
| [07:32:31] | defaultr0: | in mythtv-setup? |
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| [07:32:42] | defaultr0: | or in Playback? |
| [07:32:56] | wagnerrp: | in mythvideo's settings |
| [07:33:10] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY thing that has been moved to the backend is file access |
| [07:33:16] | defaultr0: | cool |
| [07:33:23] | wagnerrp: | as such, the ONLY thing you have to set in mythtv-setup is file access |
| [07:33:24] | defaultr0: | alright, before I forget,I'll do it now |
| [07:33:37] | wagnerrp: | do you have any ISOs? |
| [07:33:44] | defaultr0: | nope |
| [07:33:52] | defaultr0: | I do have some mpg |
| [07:34:01] | defaultr0: | I deleted the iso since I bought the movies |
| [07:34:15] | defaultr0: | maybe, I have some left but I haven't check yet |
| [07:34:18] | defaultr0: | why? |
| [07:34:22] | wagnerrp: | ISOs do not currently work with storage groups |
| [07:34:27] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [07:34:29] | wagnerrp: | as they require block access |
| [07:34:38] | defaultr0: | got it |
| [07:34:52] | defaultr0: | so first thing I need to do is go to mythtv-setup to setup SGs |
| [07:35:08] | defaultr0: | after that, go to mythtvideo and change to internal |
| [07:35:11] | wagnerrp: | first thing you need to do is stop the backend |
| [07:35:25] | defaultr0: | k |
| [07:35:41] | wagnerrp: | this is a backend setting, the backend must restart for it to take effect |
| [07:35:48] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [07:36:02] | defaultr0: | so go to the backend machine, stop it then run mythtv-setup |
| [07:36:22] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [07:36:27] | defaultr0: | since client is pointing to the backend, can I just run it from there? |
| [07:36:38] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [07:37:23] | defaultr0: | it's a lot of work to go to the backend |
| [07:37:32] | wagnerrp: | all mythtv applications will only let you change global settings, and local settings specific to that machine |
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| [07:37:38] | defaultr0: | ok |
| [07:37:48] | wagnerrp: | it will not let you change machine specific settings on a different machine |
| [07:37:52] | defaultr0: | i'll just forward the screen to the other machine like xforwarding |
| [07:37:59] | wagnerrp: | that will work |
| [07:38:02] | defaultr0: | k |
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| [07:43:26] | cave_: | hello all |
| [07:45:02] | cave_: | i'm trying to run mythtv on some saa7134 analog card which hardware mpeg encoder but it seems that mythtv cannot use mpeh chip (saa6752hs) |
| [07:45:23] | fhobia: | wagnerrp: 8) after hibernating the computer, my tuner card can't get a lock on channels, so i think that is the problem |
| [07:45:32] | fhobia: | looks like i'll have to rmmod and then modprobe :-P |
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| [07:45:53] | cave_: | my problem is the same as http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/285841 but the question not answered |
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| [07:52:27] | defaultr0: | wagnerrp, I selected Create Video directory. Now it's asking enter directory. What directory is this? |
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| [07:53:04] | defaultr0: | is it the directory where the mpg files on the backend are stored? |
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| [08:12:16] | defaultr0: | wagnerrp, I got it working. It is totally cool!!! :) However, sound would go away sometimes |
| [08:12:30] | defaultr0: | I don't have any issue with the 1080p video |
| [08:12:36] | defaultr0: | just audio |
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| [08:29:00] | justinh: | sound would go away sometimes. Mmmm descriptive |
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| [08:53:54] | fhobia: | is there anyway to prevent mythtv from shutting down if there is a upnp client connected and playing a video ? |
| [08:54:48] | mchou: | why only videos? how about music? |
| [08:55:15] | fhobia: | oh, yeah, i don't have any music hosted by mythtv yet |
| [08:55:32] | fhobia: | how do i detect if any upnp client is connected to mythtv to avoid shutting down? :-D |
| [08:55:38] | mchou: | what upnp client you using? |
| [08:55:44] | fhobia: | ps3 |
| [08:55:56] | fhobia: | and i configured mythtv to wake up and shutdown based on the recording times |
| [08:56:13] | fhobia: | while watching the videos via ps3 i don't want it to shutdown |
| [08:56:24] | mchou: | I'm not aware of any way |
| [08:56:28] | fhobia: | so i guess i need to hook into that command hook that prevents it from stopping |
| [08:56:34] | mchou: | but that doesnt mean much |
| [08:56:43] | fhobia: | 8) ok, i'll keep digging |
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| [08:59:47] | fhobia: | other task is to stop running the backend as root :-P |
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| [09:00:05] | justinh: | a better way might be to make mythtv a upnp player (ouch) & host everything on a upnp NAS |
| [09:00:28] | hipitihop: | Is there another browser interface available where people can simply list recorded programs and access the streams ? |
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| [09:00:52] | justinh: | people? |
| [09:01:12] | justinh: | anyway no. mythweb is it |
| [09:01:19] | mchou: | hipitihop: what? That's the purpose of upnp |
| [09:01:22] | hipitihop: | justinh, sorry, members of the family, kids |
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| [09:01:31] | fhobia: | justinh: yeah, oh, also i was able to get my channels straightened out...i used scte65scan to read the channel mappings from my comcast cable and then imported them into mythtv (talked to you couple days ago about that) |
| [09:02:01] | justinh: | saying 'people' like that always makes me think about 'the internet'. Which would be naughty |
| [09:02:19] | mchou: | fhobia: what HD capture card you using? |
| [09:02:27] | fhobia: | pchdtv 5500 |
| [09:02:31] | fhobia: | on p3 733 |
| [09:02:37] | fhobia: | when watching hd tv, i stream to ps3 |
| [09:02:38] | mchou: | heh |
| [09:02:42] | mchou: | nice |
| [09:02:50] | fhobia: | sd tv ...looks like i can watch it on the computer :-P |
| [09:02:55] | mchou: | p3 733 |
| [09:03:02] | fhobia: | but its real noisy so i setup the wake up automatic and shutdown afterwards |
| [09:03:04] | hipitihop: | mchou, can you elaborate a little ? I just want a simple interface for them to use to navigate recorded programs or videos so they can play the stream in VLC or the like and not be able to effect recrdings or otherwise |
| [09:03:06] | mchou: | those were the days |
| [09:03:23] | fhobia: | yeah, hahaha |
| [09:03:31] | mchou: | vlc upnp plugin does exactly what you ask |
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| [09:03:53] | justinh: | WMP10 etc can do it too. Albeit unreliably |
| [09:03:58] | mchou: | fhobia: you should be able to quiet down you P3 |
| [09:04:02] | justinh: | so can nero showtime |
| [09:04:05] | justinh: | so can XBMC |
| [09:04:08] | fhobia: | yeah |
| [09:04:15] | mchou: | your* |
| [09:04:27] | fhobia: | noisy dell dimension xps |
| [09:04:39] | mchou: | those are not noisy |
| [09:04:48] | mchou: | those were well made |
| [09:05:05] | fhobia: | thats for sure...had this thing for quite a while |
| [09:05:07] | mchou: | especially if the case was plastic (dampens noise) |
| [09:05:12] | justinh: | set up a video source in XBMC as mythtv://mythtv:mythtv@hostname (NB HAS to be a hostname NOT an IP address or it won't work!) |
| [09:05:28] | mchou: | screw xbmc |
| [09:05:36] | mchou: | roach motel |
| [09:05:56] | hipitihop: | mchou, ok googling to see what that means |
| [09:06:27] | justinh: | mchou: you ever read the freenode channel guidelines? Gave me a chuckle yesterday |
| [09:06:45] | mchou: | no, what did it say? |
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| [09:07:13] | justinh: | http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| [09:07:56] | justinh: | just for giggles I'm gonna try & adhere to them for a while. See how long it is before I flip out |
| [09:08:27] | mchou: | justinh: dude, there's a reason I never bother reading junk like that |
| [09:08:41] | mchou: | I value free expression |
| [09:09:10] | justinh: | and because you're a real human being, not a noob hugging automaton? ;-) |
| [09:09:22] | fhobia: | man, i thought i was getting along with justinh too |
| [09:09:25] | mchou: | not some conformist group hug |
| [09:09:26] | fhobia: | 8)))) |
| [09:10:36] | mchou: | when I made comment about xbmc being roach motel that's valid critique |
| [09:10:54] | mchou: | it's different than saying "xbmc sucks!" |
| [09:11:12] | mchou: | i.e, I gave reason why it sucks |
| [09:12:07] | defaultr0: | justinh, I think the audio issue is on the file. I played my other trailers and audio was fine. However, I noticed some of my trailers that are in WMV format, mythvideo said, unknown codec |
| [09:12:16] | mchou: | fhobia: just so you know I collect those dell dimension xps cases |
| [09:12:38] | justinh: | eew. WMV |
| [09:12:39] | defaultr0: | i saw some prebuffering pause |
| [09:12:45] | fhobia: | wow, since they dampen noise or something ? |
| [09:12:46] | defaultr0: | also buffer something |
| [09:13:00] | justinh: | defaultr0: again with these descriptions. really helpful |
| [09:13:10] | justinh: | just paste the playback log man |
| [09:13:10] | mchou: | fhobia: I like those cases more than antec behemoths |
| [09:13:14] | defaultr0: | sure |
| [09:13:36] | justinh: | if it's more than a couple of lines use mythtv.pastebin.ca or something |
| [09:14:09] | fhobia: | mchou: this is the one i have... http://www.sistec-computers.com/img/dell2.jpg |
| [09:14:12] | fhobia: | :-P |
| [09:14:31] | mchou: | fhobia: yup, got plenty of those |
| [09:14:34] | defaultr0: | justinh, this is one. I think it was my KingKong trailer. http://www.pastebin.ca/1716834 |
| [09:15:16] | justinh: | you're trying to use VDPAU on an ATI card? |
| [09:15:28] | defaultr0: | nope |
| [09:15:40] | defaultr0: | it's just an error. Looks like mythtv uses it by default |
| [09:15:53] | defaultr0: | and vdpau is for video |
| [09:15:54] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [09:16:07] | justinh: | depends what video playback profile you set it to use |
| [09:16:16] | defaultr0: | i have not modified any playback profile |
| [09:16:33] | hipitihop: | mchou, do you know if vlc has upnp out of the box or something I have to install ? |
| [09:16:37] | justinh: | so which one are you using? |
| [09:16:41] | defaultr0: | where do I go to change it? |
| [09:16:44] | justinh: | hipitihop: you have to get the plugin |
| [09:16:52] | mchou: | hipitihop: that all depends on your distro |
| [09:17:01] | defaultr0: | but how do we fix the WMV3 issue? |
| [09:17:03] | hipitihop: | Ubuntu |
| [09:17:16] | defaultr0: | this are same files that are on the backend. Plays fine there |
| [09:17:30] | mchou: | hipitihop: my reply wasnt a question |
| [09:18:02] | mchou: | hipitihop: it means you are on your own |
| [09:18:27] | justinh: | defaultr0: so what's different about the backend? |
| [09:18:50] | defaultr0: | i am able to play this kingkong trailer and no issue on the audio |
| [09:18:52] | mchou: | hipitihop: suffice to say on my distro I had to install vlc-upnp client |
| [09:18:53] | justinh: | more to the point who the hell is using WMV these days? They need to be taken out & shot |
| [09:19:00] | defaultr0: | lol |
| [09:19:09] | defaultr0: | ok, i'll delete the file and problem is fixed :D |
| [09:19:57] | justinh: | defaultr0: if it plays fine within the same version of mythtv on another machine the problem is obviously down to a difference in settings/setup |
| [09:20:02] | justinh: | stands to reason |
| [09:20:30] | defaultr0: | i think I'm missing some libraries |
| [09:20:35] | defaultr0: | but like you said, WMV is old |
| [09:20:40] | defaultr0: | i'll just delete it |
| [09:20:41] | justinh: | I didn't say WMV is old |
| [09:20:46] | justinh: | I implied it's awful |
| [09:20:50] | defaultr0: | i mean, should be taken out |
| [09:20:54] | defaultr0: | yep |
| [09:21:09] | justinh: | defaultr0: mythtv won't use external libraries for video playback |
| [09:21:16] | defaultr0: | k |
| [09:21:18] | justinh: | not when you're using the internal player |
| [09:21:31] | justinh: | which is why I said it's gonna be down to settings |
| [09:21:43] | defaultr0: | k |
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| [09:22:19] | defaultr0: | what about the vdpau settings, where do I go? |
| [09:22:28] | defaultr0: | is it in Playback? |
| [09:22:48] | defaultr0: | this way, I won't see those annoying errors anymore |
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| [09:24:45] | defaultr0: | i'll just check it tomorrow, good morning everyone. It's 3:30am here :) |
| [09:32:19] | defaultr0: | justinh, I decided to check the settings :P, I found it and it's set to CPU+. I scrolled and saw VDPAU. So VDPAU wasn't selected. So not sure why it's showing that error when a recording is played |
| [09:32:21] | hipitihop: | mchou, looks like this is what I need to run ? vlc --services-discovery upnp_intel |
| [09:32:37] | defaultr0: | anyways, i'm going to bed now, I'll continue tomorrow |
| [09:32:44] | fhobia: | hmm my preshutdown hook could ping my ps3 ...if its up then don't shutdown |
| [09:32:52] | fhobia: | thats better than nothing i guess |
| [09:34:12] | hipitihop: | mchou, or are you using another plugin |
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| [10:31:35] | justinh: | reading up about vlc – seems it works out of the box if it's compiled in |
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| [10:49:28] | gpd: | I have two tvs running from my myth box – one on DVI-HDMI other on VGA. |
| [10:49:44] | justinh: | oh dear |
| [10:49:56] | gpd: | it seems to be painful. |
| [10:50:18] | gpd: | any suggestions? two separate X sessions? |
| [10:50:30] | gpd: | buy a new graphics card with 2 DVI outputs? |
| [10:50:46] | gpd: | hang it all and Sky+HD multiroom! /me runs |
| [10:52:02] | gpd: | spend 250 pounds on an Ion 330 for the other room? |
| [10:53:16] | justinh: | well, you at least need another sound card, some way of controlling both frontends, then discovering how to ensure the devices are pegged down properly |
| [10:53:25] | justinh: | all takes time. |
| [10:54:02] | justinh: | not impossible but a different machine would be much easier |
| [10:54:12] | justinh: | how much is your time worth? |
| [10:54:27] | gpd: | was actually thinking of both tvs showing the same thing |
| [10:54:30] | gpd: | so not quite as hard |
| [10:54:45] | gpd: | but the resolutions are currently not compatible |
| [10:54:45] | justinh: | easy peasy then |
| [10:54:50] | justinh: | ah |
| [10:55:00] | gpd: | one is 1024x768 the other is 1280x720 |
| [10:55:05] | justinh: | cloning works best if the res is the same on both AFAIK |
| [10:55:25] | gpd: | i end up with missing bits at the momnent. |
| [10:55:45] | gpd: | i need to check if there is VGA->HDMI cable... |
| [10:56:34] | gpd: | hmm. no. need a converter that costs more than a new gfx card |
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| [11:04:46] | justinh: | £30 or so would get you a new card |
| [11:05:07] | justinh: | with either dual DVI or HDMI & DVI |
| [11:05:56] | justinh: | what kind of lame TV only does 1024x768 anyway? |
| [11:06:07] | justinh: | 4:3 ? |
| [11:06:19] | gpd: | the tv actually does full 1080p but nvidia driver doesn't seem to want to play |
| [11:06:40] | gpd: | now i'm looking at sky+ box for 80 + 10/mo... aahahahaah!!! |
| [11:06:49] | justinh: | don't see the point personally. not when there's so little HD content |
| [11:07:08] | justinh: | unless you remortgage your kidneys & get Sky |
| [11:07:48] | gpd: | kidneys may be ready... spent 2 hours in the cavity under the house with cables... still no joy. :( |
| [11:07:56] | justinh: | btw you'll love Murdoch's autoexpire feature |
| [11:08:41] | justinh: | better buy the ext warranty they sell too otherwise your STB will crap its pants the day after the original warranty is up |
| [11:08:42] | gpd: | trouble is to upgrade my mythttv box to HD would cost 80 for DVB-s2 card + 30–80 for new GFX card, possibly 35 for more memory... etc etc |
| [11:09:15] | gpd: | and as you say – there isn't much HD on freesat! |
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| [11:09:28] | justinh: | little point buying a 1080p TV then eh |
| [11:09:39] | gpd: | so either i watch freesat LIVE (the horror)... |
| [11:09:43] | gpd: | err. blu-ray!? |
| [11:09:55] | justinh: | like I said. Little point |
| [11:10:12] | justinh: | you cannae play bluray in linux, etc |
| [11:10:13] | gpd: | i see – you are a non believer in blu-ray – did you invest heavily in dvd? |
| [11:10:20] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:10:27] | justinh: | only own about 100 DVDs or so |
| [11:10:28] | gpd: | ah – but you can buy a blu-ray player for next to peanuts |
| [11:10:36] | gpd: | that is about 95 more than me ;) |
| [11:10:43] | justinh: | I don't believe in buying films |
| [11:10:50] | justinh: | there's so little worth watching more than once |
| [11:11:01] | gpd: | likewise – tha tis what lovefilm / netflix is for |
| [11:11:25] | justinh: | and tbh, when 99% of what's broadcast isn't HD there's FA point upgrading to HD |
| [11:11:39] | justinh: | (IMHO) |
| [11:12:49] | ** ivor tsks in the general direction of justinh ** | |
| [11:12:58] | justinh: | and anyway, higher resolution, same crap |
| [11:13:24] | justinh: | heh the world needs more people who question the *need* for LCDTV |
| [11:13:29] | ** ivor hugs his bluray movies. ** | |
| [11:13:35] | justinh: | power guzzling big screens. Yay |
| [11:13:52] | justinh: | which still a) ain't as bright b) as contrasty as CRT |
| [11:13:53] | ** gpd hides the 42 inch plasma ** | |
| [11:14:20] | justinh: | 500W for something switched on 4 or 5 hours a day. yeesh |
| [11:14:32] | justinh: | still, less on the gas bill eh |
| [11:14:36] | ivor: | justinh: ah yeah but when you replace all your bulbs with dim power saving ones you have a nice gloomy room and can see the low contrast screen just perfectly. |
| [11:15:13] | justinh: | anyway, has any of you *seen* freeview on a 50" plasma? :-O |
| [11:15:17] | justinh: | jesus |
| [11:15:22] | gpd: | actually more like 400W for 2 hours and the 23 inch used 150W so possibly not quite as bad... and i am sitting in a house at 14C so green credentials not too bad |
| [11:15:23] | justinh: | I don't care how good bluray is |
| [11:16:35] | gpd: | your zealotism is only forcing me towards the sky cliff! ;) |
| [11:17:13] | justinh: | it's the only logical way if you really want HD. And then when the novelty of watching stuff just cos it's in HD wears off... |
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| [11:19:08] | gpd: | agreed. all depends on contract and cost of sky. crap. |
| [11:20:18] | justinh: | we used to have all the Sky stuff til it dawned on us how bad the vast majority of movies etc really is |
| [11:20:25] | justinh: | is/are |
| [11:20:50] | justinh: | found ourselves watching the most inane crap just cos we were paying for it |
| [11:20:51] | gpd: | this is also true. good movies generally don't need HD. :( |
| [11:21:24] | gpd: | ok – stepping away from the cliff-- seems minimum is not 10/mo but 28/mo as you MUST have one TV pack. :( |
| [11:21:37] | justinh: | I've been waiting for reasonably priced on-demand delivery for about 20 years |
| [11:21:43] | gpd: | ok – research twin DVI gfx cards... |
| [11:21:50] | justinh: | pay for what you use, choose exactly what you want |
| [11:22:35] | justinh: | gpd: I got a nvidia 8400GS for about £25 the other week. has 2x DVI, HDMI |
| [11:22:43] | justinh: | or 1 HDMI, 1x DVI I can't remember |
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| [11:23:20] | justinh: | I dunno if you'll benefit from even Xv on both outputs though |
| [11:23:35] | justinh: | VDPAU on both even less likely AFAIK |
| [11:24:11] | gpd: | do you know if you can pump the sound down the HDMI from the back of an NVIDA card? |
| [11:24:35] | justinh: | depends if said nvidia card has a SPDIF header or not |
| [11:24:40] | gpd: | if not then I have to use HDMI4 which is on the side of the TV and is BALLS |
| [11:24:47] | justinh: | or even its own onboard audio device |
| [11:25:02] | gpd: | yeah – i'm thinking that is unlikely but will look |
| [11:25:04] | justinh: | mine has such a header |
| [11:25:09] | gpd: | who was yours made by? |
| [11:25:15] | justinh: | god only knows |
| [11:25:20] | gpd: | / where did acquire? |
| [11:25:41] | justinh: | aria. the cheapest PCI-E card they had in stock at the time |
| [11:25:47] | gpd: | i live just up the road from microdirect and aria |
| [11:26:01] | justinh: | erm.. I mean the cheapest NVIDIA they had in stock |
| [11:26:09] | justinh: | heh pretty close to me then |
| [11:26:20] | justinh: | Manchestuh |
| [11:26:27] | gpd: | aye |
| [11:27:38] | justinh: | probably Sparkle or some junk like that |
| [11:27:58] | gpd: | ooh 9series... shiny |
| [11:27:58] | justinh: | this looks ok tho: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Gra . . . ductId=38173 |
| [11:28:29] | justinh: | lol @ the question "has this graphics card got hdmi". DUH |
| [11:28:37] | justinh: | it's in the title, tardicle |
| [11:28:42] | gpd: | did you reject 9 series – or too expensive then? |
| [11:28:54] | justinh: | just got the cheapest they had in stock that day |
| [11:29:02] | justinh: | it's for a backend machine eventually |
| [11:29:27] | justinh: | such a blimmin waste |
| [11:29:30] | mzb: | justinh, has a fast enough CPU not to worry about (lack of?) VDPAU? |
| [11:29:38] | mzb: | ah |
| [11:29:55] | justinh: | VDPAU works well on the machine actually |
| [11:30:05] | mzb: | k |
| [11:30:18] | justinh: | copes with glitchy streams about as well as software decoding too, which I found surprising |
| [11:30:29] | mzb: | I can't recall the lowest spec that handles it |
| [11:30:35] | justinh: | 8200 IIRC |
| [11:30:39] | mzb: | ok |
| [11:31:07] | justinh: | and needs > 256MB for the advanced deinterlacers IIRC too |
| [11:31:30] | justinh: | but I found the ordinary deints looked good enough for me after always using software deint :) |
| [11:31:33] | mzb: | I have a feeling that there were some (possibly unwanted) issues with <8600 |
| [11:31:59] | justinh: | I didn't buy it for vdpau support but I gave it a go |
| [11:32:04] | mzb: | yep |
| [11:32:20] | justinh: | if I bought a card for VDPAU I'd have gone for one of the new <£50 cards :) |
| [11:32:40] | justinh: | gtx thingummies |
| [11:32:43] | justinh: | or whatever |
| [11:32:57] | ** justinh is totally down with all the GPU trends :D ** | |
| [11:34:17] | gpd: | justinh: any other useful shops you know of in our area? for cable / random crap? |
| [11:34:32] | justinh: | what kind of cable? |
| [11:35:00] | justinh: | planetmicro.. awww RIP |
| [11:35:21] | gpd: | hvae you been to Norther Computer Markets near Trafford on Sat AM? |
| [11:35:28] | justinh: | god no, not Bowlers |
| [11:35:41] | justinh: | not for a couple of years |
| [11:35:43] | gpd: | yeah – nasty. thought it was just me |
| [11:36:07] | justinh: | next time I want gardening tools, toasters or out of date sweets I'll give it a bash though |
| [11:36:18] | justinh: | or dodgy cable/sat boxes |
| [11:36:23] | justinh: | or warez |
| [11:38:00] | justinh: | it's so pikey it's unbelievable now. and the people who go .. some of them small of wee & look like they've not seen daylight in a while |
| [11:38:23] | justinh: | those fairs had a use. Before the internet came :D |
| [11:38:32] | gpd: | yeah – it is aquite a spectacle... |
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| [11:39:04] | jblack: | yeah, computing hasn't been all good for social interaction |
| [11:39:10] | justinh: | used to have a Planet Micro outlet really close to my house. Like 5 minutes away :) |
| [11:39:30] | justinh: | Scan are good, til you get something dud & have to take it back |
| [11:40:25] | justinh: | been told I need to get myself to a GeekUp ASAP. Have my doubts |
| [11:40:58] | gpd: | i went to one geekup and was geek'd by a super geek – didn't go back. |
| [11:41:32] | justinh: | ? |
| [11:41:41] | gpd: | i lived in california for 4 years an miss Fry's slightly. however, even that sucks compared the internet – so just for the impatient |
| [11:42:07] | gpd: | didn't know scan – thanks |
| [11:42:21] | justinh: | thought about going to a LUG (the MUG LUG) but I fear for my humanity |
| [11:42:45] | justinh: | have this awful vision in my head of people sitting around discussing vi & emacs |
| [11:42:56] | gpd: | oooowwwwww... very interesting. |
| [11:44:27] | justinh: | I could be wrong of course |
| [11:44:38] | justinh: | I hope so,for everybody involved :) |
| [11:45:00] | gpd: | you can try the irc channel first i guess |
| [11:46:16] | ivor: | justinh: you *do* know the "U" stands for "users" ? :) |
| [11:47:55] | justinh: | ok then I exaggerated |
| [11:48:43] | justinh: | discussing which distro to install, yada yada |
| [11:49:28] | gpd: | is there any advantage to a 9 series card for a front-end box? |
| [11:50:10] | justinh: | not sure |
| [11:51:05] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#Supported_Cards |
| [11:53:36] | gpd: | my guess is that 9 series will use more power than 8. i have an 8600 GTX in another machine that seems to pull about 250W ! |
| [11:53:37] | justinh: | http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/ looks interesting. Maybe something for 2010 |
| [11:53:45] | justinh: | what?! |
| [11:53:56] | justinh: | not constantly Shirley |
| [11:54:04] | gpd: | no – hardly ever on. |
| [11:54:18] | gpd: | bought in USA – where Watts are cheap! |
| [11:54:40] | gpd: | I could have put two of those cards in ... WTF would that draw!? |
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| [11:55:28] | gpd: | the Ubuntu podcast gives some hope to LUGs... maybe. |
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| [11:55:58] | Daviey: | gpd: which one? |
| [11:56:00] | justinh: | I don't 'do' speech podcasts. Zzzzzzzzz |
| [11:56:11] | gpd: | the UK one – uupc |
| [11:56:22] | Daviey: | Ahh, good that one – isn't it :) |
| [11:56:29] | gpd: | http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ |
| [11:56:42] | justinh: | lugradio put me off linux podcasts for life :-\ |
| [11:56:49] | gpd: | 'tis good indeed... |
| [11:56:50] | mchou: | gpd: how exactly did you figure out the vid card was drawing 250W? |
| [11:57:07] | Daviey: | gpd: I'll have to check it out. |
| [11:57:09] | gpd: | mchou: not just the card – the box. not sure what the proportion is |
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| [11:57:32] | gpd: | Daviey: Dave Walker? |
| [11:57:42] | Daviey: | heh :) |
| [11:57:44] | mchou: | gpd: how did you figure out the box was drawing 250W? |
| [11:58:03] | gpd: | mchou: with one of those smart plugs... or could have used my currentcost |
| [11:58:15] | justinh: | shhh. Never mention real names in IRC |
| [11:58:40] | justinh: | thanks to Jono Bacon my old nick lost all its anonymity in one fell swoop :-( |
| [11:59:04] | ** justinh isn't one to bear a grudge. Much ** | |
| [11:59:33] | Daviey: | justinh: Are you Justin Hornsby? |
| [11:59:54] | justinh: | who wants to know? |
| [12:00:01] | ** Daviey ** | |
| [12:00:41] | justinh: | it wouldn't be hard to work it out either way |
| [12:01:02] | ** justinh wonders if it's hatchet burying time yet ** | |
| [12:01:04] | gpd: | mchou: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . amp;T=Module |
| [12:01:48] | mchou: | gpd: yeah, those go by the trade name kill-a-watts in US |
| [12:02:30] | mchou: | gpd: you remember what proc was in said box? |
| [12:02:47] | mchou: | mayve a p4? |
| [12:02:52] | mchou: | maybe* |
| [12:02:57] | gpd: | 2.4Ghz dual core intel — will go and test now as need to do some tests on the gfx card |
| [12:03:06] | gpd: | bck in 10 |
| [12:03:18] | justinh: | no way a VGA card would pull that much on its own at idle |
| [12:03:27] | justinh: | nothing even close, I'd hope |
| [12:03:36] | mchou: | now way a box should pull 250W at idle |
| [12:03:42] | mchou: | no* |
| [12:03:44] | justinh: | heh yeah I was about to add that |
| [12:04:43] | justinh: | unless it's one of those custom case jobs using halogen lamps instead of cold cathodes :P |
| [12:08:16] | justinh: | anyway Daviey – sorry I was a c*** all that time ago. Pulling out of mythtv theme development was the best idea I ever had |
| [12:09:24] | gpd: | ok – slight exageration – 180W |
| [12:09:43] | justinh: | heh. even so, 180W is a fair bit for idle consumption |
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| [12:10:24] | gpd: | yes, my AMD with 7300 is more like 80–90W |
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| [12:13:47] | mchou: | even old tbirds only consumed around 120W |
| [12:14:00] | mchou: | and those were power hungry |
| [12:14:27] | justinh: | my current backend eats about 100W at idle now. Was 125W or so with a non 80+ PSU |
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| [12:19:10] | Daviey: | justinh: no hard feelings, don't worry. |
| [12:20:40] | Dibblah: | tbirds... Power hungry. Heh. |
| [12:21:14] | Dibblah: | Prescotts are hungry. tbirds comparatively sip power through a dinky little straw. |
| [12:21:19] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:21:26] | justinh: | Daviey: cheers :) |
| [12:22:00] | Dibblah: | As long as we don't invoke the name of that Q*ail guy, we'll be fine. |
| [12:22:15] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [12:22:34] | Dibblah: | mail... |
| [12:22:57] | justinh: | still lost on me. I suspect I should be thankful for that ;) |
| [12:23:04] | AndyCap: | Haha, I thought you were talking about Ford, not AMD, and though 120W sounded a tad little. |
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| [12:24:35] | Dibblah: | There was some controversy that the author tended to pop into random discussions that mentioned q.mail in passing, rabidly defending it against all of it's supporters. |
| [12:25:11] | justinh: | Good grief. a BBC HaveYourSay column "Is Uganda right to execute homosexuals?". They've gone beyond the pale |
| [12:25:51] | justinh: | stuff like this is seriously making me question the validity of the beeb these days |
| [12:25:59] | justinh: | and I *love* the BBC |
| [12:26:01] | AndyCap: | justinh: I'm sure the number of supporting comments are depressing. |
| [12:28:52] | justinh: | was in a hospital waiting room yesterday morning & they had GMTV on. the £25k competition..what colour is Rudolph the Reindeer's nose? a) red b) silver c) Green. planet WTF too |
| [12:30:00] | AndyCap: | justinh: that must be one of those scam competitions. |
| [12:30:22] | justinh: | they mentioned the song too, so pretty clear cut I reckon |
| [12:30:24] | AndyCap: | where they drag on and on and on before picking a "winner" |
| [12:30:32] | justinh: | just ..totally brian-dead |
| [12:30:44] | justinh: | typo intended btw ;) |
| [12:31:19] | AndyCap: | if ( phoneprofits > 25*prizemoney ) { announce_winner } |
| [12:31:40] | justinh: | heh. At £1 a pop they'll soon make it |
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| [12:31:59] | justinh: | more than they're pulling in ad revenue :D |
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| [12:32:42] | pyther: | Hello |
| [12:32:48] | AndyCap: | does make me want to hurt another human being severly. |
| [12:33:18] | pyther: | I need a tv card that will work well with svideo (the tuner isn't important). Does anyone have any recommendations? |
| [12:33:23] | Dibblah: | There's a very good reason for the crap question. |
| [12:33:26] | justinh: | AndyCap: only 'Xmas' music makes me want to do that lately |
| [12:33:39] | Dibblah: | It makes it a "game of skill" rather than an illegal lottery. |
| [12:34:18] | Dibblah: | Two things must be true to make it legal – Firstly, it must have some element of skill, secondly it must have a way to play without paying. |
| [12:34:24] | justinh: | this time of year is when I'm closest to pitying people who work in shops :) |
| [12:34:34] | gpd: | what the hell are all these GeForce GTX2xx cards? |
| [12:34:44] | Dibblah: | gpd: Really nice for Myth. |
| [12:34:48] | justinh: | gpd: new fangled ones |
| [12:34:58] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: Heh, I bet they don't draw much attention to how to play for free |
| [12:34:59] | Dibblah: | 240 would be overkill, but the 220/230 are perfect. |
| [12:35:12] | justinh: | rumour has it some of them support xvid decodingwith VDPAU among other codecs |
| [12:37:30] | gpd: | hmm. risky as not mentioned on the supported cards page |
| [12:37:46] | justinh: | the wikiwoowoo is a leetle dated now |
| [12:39:17] | Dibblah: | I have the 230. |
| [12:39:30] | Dibblah: | Works with pretty much everything I've thrown at it. |
| [12:39:45] | gpd: | 50 quid min for gtx 220 from aria |
| [12:40:24] | Dibblah: | And? |
| [12:40:57] | Dibblah: | http://www.tekheads.co.uk/product/Palit-nVidi . . . l_22141.html |
| [12:41:00] | gpd: | no and... just spent a lot recently :( |
| [12:41:03] | pyther: | With an svideo single does the video need to be converted to mpg2 when it is stored? |
| [12:41:34] | gpd: | there are cheaper options... |
| [12:41:51] | gpd: | 1. sort out two X servers for my 2 TVs |
| [12:41:59] | Dibblah: | There are, but they cost you more in the future. |
| [12:42:10] | gpd: | 2. transcode all mythtv content and use 2nd tv's upnp browser |
| [12:42:21] | Dibblah: | Most cards are ca 20 watts at idle. The 220 is 8. |
| [12:43:04] | gpd: | Dibblah: is that the card you have – or just a cheaper one? |
| [12:43:10] | Dibblah: | If it's on 50% of the time, it's a payback from purely financial pov in 5 years. |
| [12:43:40] | XLV: | lpcm 7.1 of gt 210/220/240 work on linux? anyone have tried it? |
| [12:44:10] | XLV: | thinking of getting a fanless one to substitute the 7950gt i got in the htpc |
| [12:44:44] | Dibblah: | No idea about HDMI audio, not tried it. |
| [12:44:55] | Dibblah: | It certainly doesn't have a header for it. |
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| [12:45:54] | XLV: | nope, gt 210/220/230/240 got onboard hd audio device, ala ati now, now spdif headers |
| [12:46:17] | XLV: | s/now/no |
| [12:46:56] | gpd: | XLV: sounds like what i need to get HMDI with audio to my TV... |
| [12:52:11] | XLV: | http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?s=c54a97 . . . &t=59877 seems it does, for nvidia 9400 ion chipset that also has nvidia hd audio device included |
| [12:57:37] | justinh: | not that you can put 7.1 audio over spdif AFAIK |
| [12:58:49] | XLV: | no you cant |
| [13:00:13] | _abbenormal: | hey guys how big can mysql get as far as space it will need |
| [13:00:13] | XLV: | seems it works.. and seems its the first gpu that offers h264/vc1 accelerated decoding and lpcm 7.1 on linux, so its a winner.. no dts-hd/truehd but i guess you cant have everything.. maybe when gt300 low end models appear |
| [13:00:21] | justinh: | I think the only benefit to 'HD' audio is that it won't be as compressed as DTS, say |
| [13:00:37] | justinh: | but whether you'd actually be able to tell or not is another matter |
| [13:00:53] | XLV: | yeah.. or in case of dts-hd/truehd, compressed but with much higher bitrate |
| [13:01:28] | XLV: | whether you can register any difference, thats another matter, just dont ask any hifi freak about it ;-) |
| [13:02:06] | justinh: | maybe you just need gold plated mains leads & oxygen free optical cables to notice :P |
| [13:02:20] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [13:04:15] | ** justinh recommends hifi nuts try oxygen free air ** | |
| [13:06:37] | justinh: | oh Fred you nark. You're NOT gonna find a freeview HD TV set in time for christmas you fool |
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| [13:29:50] | justinh: | he meant FreeviewHD. Ever the optimist |
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| [14:32:55] | Lt_Dan_: | screen -d -r i |
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| [14:36:12] | gbee: | ah |
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| [15:11:28] | Elwell: | hey folks, can someone point me to a (cheap) dual-tuner USB receiver? I got the impression that the 'diversity' ones only supported one tuner under linux? |
| [15:12:45] | justinh: | 'the' meaning *which*, precisely? |
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| [15:14:55] | Elwell: | justinh: uhm (guilty) can't remember – just what I scanned on the dvb wiki pages |
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| [15:15:15] | Elwell: | I could well be wrong but hoping to buy a new tuner today |
| [15:16:06] | justinh: | find out what your local places sell, then drill down the list in the linuxtv.org wiki. simple as that |
| [15:16:26] | justinh: | other tuners *might* work but you stand more chance getting one mentioned in the wiki pages |
| [15:16:41] | Elwell: | 's mail order – hence why I asked (hopefully someone has one) |
| [15:16:48] | justinh: | btw 'cheap' generally means no brand junk from ebay |
| [15:17:20] | Elwell: | ok – cheapish but branded |
| [15:18:16] | justinh: | FWIW I got a http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/full/A54HQ.jpg for £25 a while back. It's not bad at all |
| [15:18:35] | justinh: | bad spelling on the packaging & all :) |
| [15:19:00] | justinh: | the included antenna is utter junk, but then they always are |
| [15:19:35] | ivor: | heh. like the hdtv support. :) |
| [15:24:10] | Elwell: | I think in the (near) future I'll need a new backend – I have one USB dvb-t just now, want at least another dvb-t input now (xmas clashes) and will want dvb-S2 'sometime in new year' |
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| [15:38:30] | gbee: | 'xmas clashes'? Somewhere they actually have tv worth recording on during Christmas? |
| [15:39:09] | mishehu: | what is this christmas that you speak of? |
| [15:39:22] | ** mishehu chuckles. ** | |
| [15:39:44] | mishehu: | sorry, christmas is that which starts towards the end of august and runs until mid january. |
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| [15:46:52] | justinh: | iamlindoro: without doubt, as I found when I discovered the onion.com videos |
| [15:46:57] | justinh: | they got tired really quick though |
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| [15:47:11] | justinh: | and then there's stuff with really good production values for the video..but the audio is awful |
| [15:47:49] | justinh: | ooo cute geek girl talking tech. in a very echoey room |
| [15:48:12] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Revision3 shows have proven to be very good quality both in content and production |
| [15:48:54] | iamlindoro: | They put out a couple dozen shows in 30fps 720p, with at least one per day of the week that I genuinely enjoy watching |
| [15:49:16] | justinh: | not watched any of their stuff for ages |
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| [15:50:40] | justinh: | infact not since systm was *it*LOL |
| [15:50:59] | iamlindoro: | heh, Systm has morphed into HD Nation, which is much better |
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| [15:51:23] | iamlindoro: | Totally Rad Show is good, Digg Nation is good, Film Riot is *fricking hilarious* |
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| [15:51:37] | justinh: | digg nation sounds meh |
| [15:51:45] | justinh: | that word digg does it to me every time |
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| [15:52:30] | iamlindoro: | Heh... It's mostly just the couple of semi amsing guys sitting around making fun of/discussing the latest stories, but they are pretty droll and it's less abhorrent than you might think |
| [15:52:36] | iamlindoro: | er amusing |
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| [15:52:52] | iamlindoro: | Film Riot is amazingly funny, and interesting content |
| [15:53:17] | justinh: | if only there was an easy way to get all this stuff onto my teevees |
| [15:53:36] | iamlindoro: | MiroBridge + MythTV doesn't work for you? |
| [15:53:43] | justinh: | not running0.22 |
| [15:53:45] | iamlindoro: | ahh |
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| [15:54:02] | justinh: | plus the whole internet stuff in my recordings list is kinda OVER MY DEAD BODY |
| [15:54:29] | iamlindoro: | justinh, you'd never know the difference, it's really perfect integration |
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| [15:54:49] | iamlindoro: | covers, previews, description, subtitles, even audio and videoprops |
| [15:55:01] | iamlindoro: | basically a full, clean programinfo for each |
| [15:55:19] | justinh: | all I care about is title, subtitle, description :) |
| [15:55:26] | iamlindoro: | then those you would have :) |
| [15:55:34] | iamlindoro: | (and then some) |
| [15:56:16] | iamlindoro: | I can truthfully say that I thought the idea was "interesting" at first, but I grew to be absolutely delighted by it as shows began to appear and become a regular part of my watchng |
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| [15:56:43] | iamlindoro: | especially as you discover the (few, but real) worthwhile programs |
| [15:56:48] | justinh: | when I have 'concept' usable I'll roll out trunk into production |
| [15:56:52] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I suppose I'm wanted at work |
| [15:57:06] | justinh: | that & a few patches I need to work out |
| [15:57:32] | justinh: | call me a luddite but I'm in no hurry to update |
| [15:57:41] | ivor: | luddite |
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| [15:58:24] | Elwell: | 3> |
| [15:58:24] | Elwell: | > Oliver. |
| [15:58:24] | Elwell: | > |
| [15:58:28] | Elwell: | oops |
| [15:58:32] | justinh: | setup ain't broken anymore, no new features I absolutely can't live without ... |
| [15:58:41] | justinh: | and if it ain't broke... |
| [15:58:51] | ivor: | justinh: you don't fancy rebuilding and updating the week before christmas? |
| [15:58:54] | ivor: | tsh. |
| [15:58:57] | justinh: | heh |
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| [15:59:16] | justinh: | ivor: remember linuxworld? The guy who brought the system down rebuilt it the night before |
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| [15:59:32] | justinh: | oh ffs |
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| [16:25:48] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Nice work on #7759 |
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| [16:26:13] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Trying to make sure to encourage you because I know some of your playback patches are still pending, but know that your work is appreciated |
| [16:26:30] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: should ping danielk about some of them, perhaps |
| [16:27:03] | iamlindoro: | (or perhaps janneg will have time over the holiday to look) |
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| [16:40:01] | cityOfLights: | hmm I got an old frame grabber which I am not sure what are its card option |
| [16:40:17] | cityOfLights: | how can I write a for loop to try diffrent values? |
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| [16:58:09] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: that mythnetvision stuff looks great!! Can't wait to try it out |
| [16:58:09] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: :) Thanks |
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| [16:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | Is that usingmytbrowser ? |
| [16:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | mythbrowser |
| [16:58:10] | iamlindoro: | All the pieces are there now, just have a ton of cleanup |
| [16:58:10] | iamlindoro: | yeah, uses mythbrowser for the web only stuff, an the internal player for downloadables |
| [16:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | Nice, my wife will be very happy |
| [16:58:10] | iamlindoro: | also supports external player commands and downloader programs for stuff which we cannot handle internally |
| [16:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | she keeps wanting youtube and such :) |
| [16:58:10] | squidly: | heh nice |
| [16:58:10] | iamlindoro: | The youtube stuff works incredibly well at this point |
| [16:58:25] | squidly: | iamlindoro: I actually used it for my fiancee to be able to grab some local transit stuff |
| [16:58:42] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I think the biggest problem is that everyone seems to shy away from anything related to the AV sync code |
| [16:59:07] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Yeah... "If it ain't broken for me, don't touch it" |
| [16:59:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Mark K might be another person with the huevos to poke at that stuff |
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| [17:00:15] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: right.... personally I'm in no hurry but would like it to go in before the next release... I broke it into parts in hopes that it would ease the integration |
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| [17:00:23] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [17:03:33] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: as much has been reported on AV sync difficulties recently it actually works quite well.... my patches just tighten things up a bit |
| [17:04:18] | elmojo: | the stuff Davin fixed actually has nothing to do with the AV sync code but more to do with video parameter changes for DVD playback |
| [17:05:26] | elmojo: | and if they would have taken the time to notice interlace detection was also broken too |
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| [17:15:51] | elmojo: | oh... are they applied to trunk yet? |
| [17:15:51] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [17:15:51] | elmojo: | seriously though... I'm still using MythCenter-wide after all the work done for MythUI |
| [17:15:52] | elmojo: | I like the theme justinh showed me the other day too |
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| [17:18:48] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I saw your video for the new Internet video plugin.... couldn't help but notice how nice ArcLight looked using the plugin |
| [17:19:17] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: I won't deny that I have given Arclight more love than the default theme on it ;) |
| [17:19:34] | iamlindoro: | In fact default only got themed last night, and in haste |
| [17:20:31] | iamlindoro: | GF working all weekend, so there's hope for me making some more progress on both the theme and the plugin |
| [17:20:33] | mag0o: | ok, so about this mnv im beta testing for you |
| [17:20:36] | mag0o: | hehe :) |
| [17:21:03] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [17:21:18] | iamlindoro: | There are a few fundamental issues that are irritating me that I've got to work out before I can release |
| [17:22:02] | iamlindoro: | The primary fix for most of them tends to be moving more into the background... namely that building a number of complex trees (where there are hundreds of nodes) takes WAY too long when you parse the XML every time to build them |
| [17:22:03] | mag0o: | still trying to convince youporn to alter their TOS? |
| [17:22:29] | iamlindoro: | mag0o: I must admit to a degree of interest at what other people will come up with when it's in the wild |
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| [17:22:41] | mag0o: | lol |
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| [17:22:55] | iamlindoro: | I rather suspect that adult sites would be an obvious target |
| [17:22:57] | mag0o: | MythXXX |
| [17:23:06] | iamlindoro: | as well as ToS busting scripts for Youtube, Hulu, BBC, et all |
| [17:23:20] | iamlindoro: | Personally I would have no issue whatsoever in including adult grabber scripts |
| [17:23:32] | mag0o: | yeah, we all love grabbing adults |
| [17:23:42] | iamlindoro: | Beats the alternative |
| [17:23:45] | iamlindoro: | and prison |
| [17:23:47] | mag0o: | doh! |
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| [17:25:05] | iamlindoro: | One of the primary goals pre-release is to have a number of different genres represented in the grabbers |
| [17:25:20] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I think the MTV video search is among the best |
| [17:25:57] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux can attest to the fact that tree view is the most fun part, though, as that utilizes the most creativity on the part of the script author |
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| [17:50:21] | defaultr0: | hey folks, good morning, any suggestions what remote control I should buy? Need a non-expensive. I also don't want to build a serial ir based receiver anymore. |
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| [18:15:14] | gpd: | is there a trick to getting VPDAU not to hang X? |
| [18:16:04] | gpd: | nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2) |
| [18:16:17] | gpd: | tried with high quality and normal and it just freezes on playback |
| [18:16:27] | iamlindoro: | If VDPAU is hanging X for you, and you are on current drivers, then that suggests a deeper issue such as hardware problems |
| [18:16:41] | gpd: | bah |
| [18:17:08] | gpd: | did you write the code? ;) |
| [18:17:09] | iamlindoro: | erm... and that card doesn't support VDPAU anyway |
| [18:17:32] | iamlindoro: | no VDPAU support on G80 chips |
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| [18:19:28] | gpd: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#Supported_Cards |
| [18:19:46] | gpd: | GeForce 8800 GT <- supported... |
| [18:19:46] | iamlindoro: | Couldn't have put it better myself |
| [18:19:49] | iamlindoro: | "Rules of thumb: anything from before the 8xxx series is unsupported ; anything with the original G80 GPU (8800 GTX, 8800 Ultra, Quadro FX5600, the first 8800 GTS) is unsupported ; everything newer in the 8xxx, 9xxx and 2xx series should work if the driver supports the card." |
| [18:19:59] | gpd: | balls |
| [18:20:00] | iamlindoro: | You don't have a GT... you have a GTS |
| [18:20:09] | gpd: | devil in the detail |
| [18:20:42] | ** gpd goes to sulk ** | |
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| [18:25:48] | trumee: | guys, is the following a valid xml, <category>Suspense Drama Family</category> |
| [18:26:22] | iamlindoro: | valid XML sure, whether it's a valid data format for the schema is anyone's guess |
| [18:26:37] | trumee: | which mythfilldatabase recognise that the program belongs to three categories, or should each category should have its own category tag. |
| [18:26:49] | trumee: | */which/will |
| [18:27:02] | dustybin: | can the mythtv backend run on a KVM guest? |
| [18:28:01] | iamlindoro: | The way I read it, that would all be treated as a single category |
| [18:29:12] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i guess i need to seperate them to split them into multiple category tags then. is there any easy way to do it apart from writing an ugly bash script |
| [18:31:23] | iamlindoro: | could just get your XMLTV grabber to format things properly |
| [18:31:27] | GreyFoxx: | dustybin: Any app can run as a vm depending on what you want it to do |
| [18:31:43] | GreyFoxx: | If you want it to talk directly to pci cards then I'd be very suprised if it would work |
| [18:31:51] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [18:31:59] | GreyFoxx: | but if it's just doing commflagging/usb tuners/iptuners it's fine |
| [18:32:05] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:32:16] | AndyCap: | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_PCI_Device_Assignment hmm, maybe in the future |
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| [18:33:22] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i would like to polish it myself. need to do some other things as well. is there any list of categories which myth understands. i know mythweb has different colors for categories. |
| [18:34:17] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Sorry, manually mucking with guide data makes me suspicious of the source, I'm not interested in helping |
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| [18:43:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh great, dcc spamming here??? yikes |
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| [18:48:56] | AndyCap: | is it the startk*y*ogger thing? |
| [18:49:40] | AndyCap: | saw that in #fedora the other day, was a little fascinating to see how many people disappeared after it. |
| [18:50:09] | gpd: | any idea why my ubuntu 9.10 recently started muting the front speaker and makint a pffft noise when sound about to play? |
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| [18:57:46] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: 'adult grabber' script just sounds so dirty |
| [18:58:05] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:58:08] | iamlindoro: | reach out and touch someone |
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| [19:51:23] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: just wondering if it's me or not but did you get the responses to this e-mail in your inbox... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/413537#413537 |
| [19:51:49] | elmojo: | I didn't get Travis's or my response |
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| [19:56:59] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I got them |
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| [21:04:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | _abbenormal: Start mythfrontend from a shell and see what error(s) it logs... |
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| [21:06:42] | superm1: | _abbenormal, if you are running on *buntu, it automatically logs to /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log (or /tmp/mythfrontend.log if /var/log/mythtv doesn't exist) |
| [21:07:03] | superm1: | otherwise, shell indeed is the way to go |
| [21:07:38] | _abbenormal: | cool was hoping for log info thanks guys |
| [21:15:48] | Shadow__X: | hey guys so i updated to .22 but dont fully understand the new scanner i also couldnt find the appropriate docs for it |
| [21:16:01] | Shadow__X: | do i fail at looking for docs are have they not been updated |
| [21:16:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Channel Scanner or Video Scanner? |
| [21:16:41] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: sorry channel scanner |
| [21:16:49] | Shadow__X: | its so chaged i am confused :( |
| [21:16:55] | Shadow__X: | changed* |
| [21:18:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: It didn't seem that different to me... What's the matter? |
| [21:19:44] | Shadow__X: | whens its done scanning it asks a bunch of questions that i am not sure of such as new non conflicting channels |
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| [21:19:55] | Shadow__X: | which to me says great the channels i am missing |
| [21:20:07] | Shadow__X: | but when i goto the channel line up i still cant find the channels |
| [21:20:41] | Shadow__X: | i checked under silicondust and i know the channels are under qam265-hrc and before on .21 i would scan and i would easily find them but now for some reason i am having trouble |
| [21:21:01] | Shadow__X: | i can say it could completely be me doing someting wrong |
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| [21:23:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Humm... Yeah, I think on my test box I did a db backup, then deleted all channels and scanned 'from scratch'... I haven't seen the need to do so on my 'production' box which I upgraded to 0.22-fixes over the weekend (no changes) |
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| [21:25:46] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah already did the scan from scratch :) i dont know if me using scte65scan in conjunction with the scanner would have an issue |
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| [21:25:58] | Shadow__X: | but i removed all sources |
| [21:26:06] | Shadow__X: | added my sources |
| [21:26:08] | Shadow__X: | exited setup |
| [21:26:35] | Shadow__X: | got the scte65 sql to install channels then went back into setup |
| [21:26:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Ah, I'm just doing ATSC for now – humm... more pieces to the puzzle with QAM I suppose... |
| [21:28:14] | Shadow__X: | eh i am sure its something i am doing something wrong. i just finished a scan and it said found 83 off-air channels |
| [21:28:20] | Shadow__X: | does that mean they dont work? |
| [21:28:29] | Shadow__X: | excuse me for my lack of knowledge |
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| [21:29:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Humm... I dunno – perhaps that's poor wording for 'cable' channels? I'm afraid I don't know the answer! |
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| [21:29:53] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: heh yeah that makes two of us |
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| [21:32:24] | justinh: | we still on with these blimmin netsplits?! |
| [21:33:13] | justinh: | if all we had to do was pay a few sheckles... ahh |
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| [21:34:12] | justinh: | heheheh buytech just sent me another mailout. Pirate's Choice blank DVDs. What a lark |
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| [21:51:09] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro what does found 83 off-air channels mean |
| [21:51:42] | wagnerrp: | probably means they have a entry in the stream descriptor, but no actual data stream to speak of |
| [21:52:17] | wagnerrp: | (pure conjecture) |
| [21:52:24] | Shadow__X: | so i should delete them then? what parts of the docs has this info i rather not keep asking these questions |
| [21:52:34] | wagnerrp: | what time is it locally? |
| [21:52:45] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah i ask because i have no clue and just want my channels back |
| [21:52:49] | Shadow__X: | 4:52 |
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| [21:53:16] | justinh: | does anybody actually know what the scanner means when it says all that stuff? |
| [21:53:25] | wagnerrp: | in that case, youre probably scanning digital cable, and those are unused on-demand channels |
| [21:53:35] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind knowing so I could take a stab at documenting it |
| [21:54:07] | wagnerrp: | on-demand stuff is typically run unencrypted |
| [21:54:18] | wagnerrp: | and will show up as a channel with no data when not in use |
| [21:54:22] | devinheitmueller: | I would have to look at the source, but it's probably a case where a signal lock was found but there is no MPEG stream or PAT/PMT info is incomplete. |
| [21:54:24] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yes i am scanning digital cable |
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| [21:59:18] | zed2323: | would a detailed request for help with a mythtv problem with so much of the log reproduced that it runs to 400 lines be welcome on the mythtv-users mailing list, or should I summarize it further and provide a link to the log? (sorry for the repeat — trying again.) |
| [21:59:34] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: what does found 7 old atsc channels mean |
| [21:59:38] | Shadow__X: | whats old about the,? |
| [21:59:42] | Shadow__X: | do they still work |
| [21:59:50] | Defense|Twin: | Hi Guys.. this time i got a really bad error: |
| [21:59:50] | Defense|Twin: | Master: Zone ID: 'Europe/Berlin', UTC Offset: '3600', Current Time: '2009-12–16T22:57:13' |
| [21:59:50] | Defense|Twin: | Local: Zone ID: 'CET', UTC Offset: '3600', Current Time: '2009-12–16T22:57:11' |
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| [22:00:36] | Defense|Twin: | so as you can see my master an my client have only a time-difference of 2 seconds... but mythtv is crying about timezone problems |
| [22:00:50] | justinh: | all systems need to be in the same TZ |
| [22:00:53] | justinh: | fact |
| [22:01:23] | justinh: | fix that, problem solved :) |
| [22:01:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: And those aren't — ones in "Europe/Berlin", the other one is "CET"... make them match, then *bingo* |
| [22:01:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: Even though the *TIME* is the same for both regions, technically they're different time zones. |
| [22:02:53] | Defense|Twin: | J-e-f-f-A: yes... but its really bad that mythtv cares about in a way which is wrong |
| [22:03:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: It used to just do very bad/undexpected things – I would think this is more acceptable. |
| [22:03:29] | Defense|Twin: | btw. why alls systems have to be in the save TZ? |
| [22:04:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: IIRC, scheduling, guide data, etc. |
| [22:04:08] | justinh: | because |
| [22:04:23] | justinh: | system design, for ease of integration |
| [22:04:40] | Defense|Twin: | justinh: thats not modern desgin |
| [22:04:51] | justinh: | and logic possibly had a part to play too. I mean, only a doof would have systems in different zones |
| [22:05:01] | justinh: | as in hundreds of miles away :) |
| [22:05:12] | justinh: | myth isn't designed to be ran that way |
| [22:05:27] | Defense|Twin: | justinh: you dont need hundreds of miles to cross a border |
| [22:05:30] | justinh: | we could argue all night about what is or isn't logical but you can fix it in a jif |
| [22:05:34] | justinh: | no sweat |
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| [22:06:33] | Defense|Twin: | justinh: jif? |
| [22:06:36] | justinh: | part of the issue is how timing info is recorded in mythtv and has been from the start. IIRC all timings in the database are absolute not relative |
| [22:07:02] | justinh: | jif, jiffy. a short interval of time |
| [22:07:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: Quickly – ie: change the timezone of one of the two systems to match the other. (Preferrably not of the master backend) |
| [22:07:22] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: any idea about found 7 old atsc channels? |
| [22:07:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Nope, not if you're scanning QAM! ;-) |
| [22:07:50] | justinh: | Shadow__X: means it found 7 atsc channels you already had |
| [22:08:10] | justinh: | but a qam scan shouldnt pick em up AFAIK |
| [22:08:10] | Defense|Twin: | J-e-f-f-A: yes.. will do so.. but i dont like adjusting system settings yjust because i want to use a special software.. |
| [22:08:10] | Shadow__X: | justinh: ah ok great thanks |
| [22:08:30] | Shadow__X: | justinh: hmm well its a qam256 hrc scan and that came up |
| [22:08:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: nobody's forcing you to use MythTV.,, |
| [22:08:53] | justinh: | Defense|Twin: the ideal model for mythtv systems is everything in the same building, which pretty much guarantees they're all in the same TZ ;-) |
| [22:09:07] | justinh: | or you know.. at least in the same household |
| [22:09:38] | justinh: | the TZ checks were introduced to actually fix problems users created by having crazy TZ differences |
| [22:09:44] | Defense|Twin: | J-e-f-f-A: justinh: dont take me wrong... i'm loving mythtv.. but i still wish to give feedback for improving it |
| [22:10:10] | justinh: | Defense|Twin: I dunno why it's a big deal either but it just IS & I accept the fact. Small concession IMHO |
| [22:10:59] | justinh: | but changing it, or moving to recording relative timings as opposed to absolute would break a *lot* of old recordings.. big upheaval. It might have to happen at some point but if it can be avoided I doubt anybody would |
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| [22:11:17] | Defense|Twin: | justinh: but its not fixing cause but the symptom |
| [22:11:22] | Shadow__X: | justinh: where in the docs does it describe all this information because i have another one "found 1 new non-conflicting mpeg channels" |
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| [22:11:41] | justinh: | Defense|Twin: there was a *lot* of discussion about it before the change was introduced |
| [22:11:49] | Defense|Twin: | :D |
| [22:12:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Defense|Twin: But the 'feedback' you're giving is in the form of complaining to fellow users... Not helpful IMHO. Search the threads, it's been discussed at length. |
| [22:12:01] | justinh: | because TZ differences were causing problems uneccessarily |
| [22:12:02] | gbee: | Defense|Twin: well you can't fix user stupidity unfortunately |
| [22:12:29] | justinh: | and the path of least hassle (which was no minor task IIRC) was to make the changes chosen |
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| [22:13:24] | Defense|Twin: | hm ok.. so maybe worth taking a look at for release of version 0.30 |
| [22:14:05] | gbee: | ain't going to happen unless someone takes a strong interest |
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| [22:14:27] | iamlindoro: | and given the effort to gain ratio... |
| [22:14:35] | iamlindoro: | (much effort, little or no gain) |
| [22:15:46] | justinh: | IMHO it's much ado about nothing. It's *not* unreasonable to expect all mythtv boxes to live in the same house |
| [22:15:48] | Defense|Twin: | i mean converting all timings to greenwich time and using relative timings in future shouldn'T be that hard... but anyway... if nobody besides me whishes to have such a feature... i have to hush :/ |
| [22:15:53] | gbee: | open source development is driven by personal desire, not consideration for user's wishes, most of the time if you want to see something happen you need to do it yourself |
| [22:16:28] | justinh: | speakng of which I have a window this weekend to do some code mangling yay! |
| [22:16:30] | iamlindoro: | Defense|Twin: If it had been simple, it would be done |
| [22:16:31] | iamlindoro: | it's not |
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| [22:17:14] | justinh: | AFAIK every timestamp in the seektables etc is absolute time, not relative to the recording start time. Change that & you'd have a bitch of a time making older recordings compatible |
| [22:17:27] | justinh: | for one |
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| [22:19:50] | justinh: | gbee: btw meant to ask you did you catch my mail about the menu revamp plan I have? to recap, basically have a context weighted toggle to move between menus with MENU. e.g. in the PBB with groups selected, M pops up group options. Press M again, popup changes to recording options. And again, cancels the popup. Sound ok ish? |
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| [22:21:58] | gbee: | sounds reasonable, but I'm going to be non-committal ;) |
| [22:22:12] | justinh: | heheh |
| [22:22:57] | justinh: | I'll knock up a patch for PBB first & see how well it's received. shouldn't be much effort & I won't be too surprised if it meets resistance |
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| [22:35:10] | Daught2123: | hello. I have a some media shared by ahead mediahome |
| [22:35:35] | Daught2123: | should mythtv find it automatically? |
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| [22:39:05] | justinh: | nope |
| [22:39:32] | justinh: | probably need to use djmount & then add it to mythmusic/mythvideo |
| [22:39:54] | justinh: | but if you wanna patch those to be upnp browsers feel free :) |
| [22:42:32] | wagnerrp: | i just got a bunch of RJ45 connectors in the mail, after they were on back order for a week |
| [22:42:51] | wagnerrp: | theres a sticker on the bag saying they were inspected and certified july 1, 2008 |
| [22:43:11] | wagnerrp: | how does year-and-a-half-old stock go on back order? |
| [22:44:53] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: start buying direct? :) |
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| [22:46:40] | justinh: | AndyCap: slight problem with that. MoQ of about 100,000 prolly :D |
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| [22:47:02] | AndyCap: | of course, another explanation may be found here. :) http://cargolaw.com/index-new.html |
| [22:47:53] | Daught2123: | djmount? |
| [22:49:00] | wagnerrp: | Daught2123: program that mounts UPNP shares as a file system |
| [22:50:41] | wagnerrp: | justinh: considering the first 100pc lasted over 5 years, i doubt bulk quantity would ever be worthwhile for me |
| [22:51:06] | wagnerrp: | i dont expect to be crimping cables when im 5000 years old |
| [22:51:59] | anenigma: | i'd expect that we'd move to some new technology in 5000 years time, too |
| [22:54:00] | clever: | wagnerrp: back order from a bulk sale company :P |
| [22:54:17] | clever: | and they will probly use fiber then:P |
| [22:54:56] | AndyCap: | spiderpid, spiderpid, does whatever spiderpid does. |
| [22:56:34] | justinh: | Daught2123: yeah. allows you to mount upnp shares like they're directories |
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| [22:57:21] | Daught2123: | well that beats the purpose of upnp... but cool never the less |
| [22:57:50] | Daught2123: | can mythtv backend be controlled by any upnp controller |
| [22:58:45] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [22:59:09] | justinh: | no since the U in upnp tends to stand for 'different universe' rather than 'universal' |
| [22:59:10] | Dagmar: | ...and no, that doesn't "beat the purpose of upnp" |
| [22:59:39] | wagnerrp: | is there actually any standard for remote control over upnp? |
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| [22:59:45] | Dagmar: | Probably not |
| [23:00:12] | Daught2123: | dunno I just started playing with this stuff and ahead mediacenter can controll my WMP |
| [23:00:22] | Daught2123: | so I thought it might be possible |
| [23:00:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean ive heard nero does some funky thing where it lists tunable channels as viewable videos |
| [23:01:14] | AndyCap: | upnp controlpoint, but no idea if theres any software at all that uses that. or if the standard is any more useful than say XML. |
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| [23:48:34] | Wicked: | ddos |
| [23:48:43] | Wicked: | check the freenode website |
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| [23:52:33] | justinh: | guess somebody somewhere upset some kid really bad huh |
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