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| [00:02:59] | wagnerrp: | nothing like a netsplit to generate traffic |
| [00:04:02] | michthom: | I retract the comment about it being quiet... |
| [00:06:21] | michthom: | Is there a 'canonical' modeline for VGA->SCART converters in PAL land? I'm using 'ModeLine "1024x576pali" 19.8 1024 1056 1152 1264 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace' |
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| [00:09:46] | michthom: | Should I just be fishing here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database# . . . ver_ModePool ? |
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| [00:14:42] | Citrus2: | i'm looking at options right now. is there anyway to get dishnetwork hd programming working with mythtv? |
| [00:14:51] | bllz: | My channel change script (for my external IR blaster) is buggy. Any 2-digit or higher channel that gets sent will only tune to the first digit. i.e.: 22 will tune to 2 and 15 will tune to 1. Is this a problem with sleep time? |
| [00:14:55] | bllz: | I can post the script if necessary |
| [00:15:06] | bedlore: | does this dmesg error mean anything to anyone? mythbackend[32104]: segfault at bf311fdc ip b62f55ff sp bf311fe0 error 6 in libQtCore.so.4.5.3[b624f000+234000] |
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| [00:18:22] | michthom: | AWAY |
| [00:18:36] | iamlindoro: | NEAR |
| [00:19:13] | michthom: | Don't tease the newbies, it's too easy |
| [00:19:47] | bllz: | lol what? |
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| [00:30:51] | k_ross: | bllz: sounds like the sleep time is too short. what sleep time are you using? |
| [00:31:07] | bllz: | k_ross: .3 I believe |
| [00:31:11] | bllz: | too short, really? |
| [00:31:39] | bllz: | k_ross: i tried changing it to 1 and it still screwed up |
| [00:31:42] | bllz: | let me pastebin the script |
| [00:31:58] | k_ross: | ok pastebin it |
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| [00:32:02] | bllz: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/341009/ |
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| [00:32:46] | k_ross: | that shows you're using a sleep of .2 |
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| [00:33:03] | bllz: | k_ross: ah okay, .2 then |
| [00:33:10] | bllz: | i tried making it 1 but it still screwed up |
| [00:33:12] | bllz: | i can try again though |
| [00:34:11] | k_ross: | it was the one on line 10 that you changed, right? |
| [00:34:30] | bllz: | yes |
| [00:34:34] | bllz: | i'll try it again though |
| [00:34:41] | bllz: | (myth is booting...) |
| [00:36:06] | k_ross: | also, you don't have more than one of those around, do you? like one in /usr/bin, and one in your home folder, and you're accidentally running the wrong one? |
| [00:38:49] | bllz: | k_ross: I only have one in /usr/bin |
| [00:38:53] | bllz: | so hango n let me pull it up |
| [00:39:30] | bllz: | aah yeah it reads sleep 0.3 now |
| [00:39:57] | k_ross: | does your ir blaster flash or otherwise give you some indication it is sending a signal? |
| [00:40:03] | bllz: | yes |
| [00:40:07] | bllz: | it changes channel |
| [00:40:11] | bllz: | just not properly |
| [00:40:17] | k_ross: | do you see it flash for each digit? |
| [00:40:20] | bllz: | anything 2 digits + fails |
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| [00:40:23] | bllz: | hmm .et's see |
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| [00:42:56] | bllz: | k_ross: for a 2 digit channel... the blaster goes: flash flash flah *pause* flash |
| [00:43:13] | bllz: | and i end up on the channel corresponding to the first digit |
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| [00:47:15] | k_ross: | bllz: try this: bash -x channel-change.sh 123 |
| [00:47:30] | k_ross: | replace "channel-change.sh" with whatever you called it |
| [00:47:40] | k_ross: | and pastebin the output |
| [00:49:33] | bllz: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/341549/ |
| [00:50:04] | bllz: | k_ross... incidentally, that successfully changed the channel |
| [00:50:23] | k_ross: | lol |
| [00:50:30] | bllz: | so i'm not sure what that means |
| [00:50:45] | bllz: | other than i'm not 1337 enough for myth tv =/ |
| [00:50:45] | k_ross: | the output looks good. it sends each digit followed by a pause |
| [00:51:40] | bllz: | right... so maybe the ir receiver is getting confused? |
| [00:51:49] | k_ross: | does it change the channel ok when you run it from the command line, but fails when run from myth? |
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| [00:51:58] | bllz: | i noticed in irw that one key press will yield 2 numbers |
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| [00:52:11] | bllz: | k_ross: let's double check |
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| [00:53:01] | bllz: | k_ross: yeah that's certainly what's going on |
| [00:53:07] | bllz: | CLI works |
| [00:53:08] | bllz: | remote does not |
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| [00:53:40] | k_ross: | what do you mean "remote does not"? |
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| [00:54:27] | k_ross: | are you using a remote control to control myth to get it to change channels? |
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| [00:54:41] | k_ross: | and if so, is it the same remote that controls your cable box? |
| [00:54:54] | bllz: | k_ross: sorry, that wasn't clear. The CLI works beautifully, but when i type, say, 3 + 2+ ok in the remote, it tunes to channel 3 |
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| [00:55:01] | bllz: | and no, i'm useing the MCE remote that controls myth |
| [00:55:06] | bllz: | and I have an IR blaster going to my cable box |
| [00:56:16] | k_ross: | ok so the mce remote shouldn't be causing any problems with your cable box "seeing" the commands sent from the remote control |
| [00:56:41] | k_ross: | what do you have listed, exactly, as your channel change script in mythtv-setup? |
| [00:56:56] | bllz: | hmm... i think I have the full path to the script |
| [00:56:59] | bllz: | let's double check |
| [00:57:57] | bllz: | k_ross: okay... under "External channel change command:" I have... |
| [00:58:09] | bllz: | /usr/bin/change-channel.sh |
| [00:58:32] | k_ross: | ok that's correct |
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| [00:59:20] | k_ross: | just to rule out any interference being caused by your MCE remote, don't use the remote in myth, but instead change channels in myth using the keyboard |
| [00:59:37] | bllz: | aah okay good idea |
| [00:59:44] | bllz: | no reason i can't do that over vnc, is there? |
| [00:59:54] | k_ross: | i don't see why not |
| [01:00:41] | bllz: | k_ross: also, for what it's worth... when I punch in the numbers on the remote, they appear correctly in the overlay |
| [01:00:56] | bllz: | so it would appear that it's not a problem with receiving the IR codes from the MCE remote, either |
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| [01:02:32] | k_ross: | actually i don't know how well livetv will work with vnc, never tried that |
| [01:02:45] | k_ross: | you may have to grab a keyboard and plug it in |
| [01:02:46] | bllz: | well the picture is choppy |
| [01:02:52] | bllz: | but you can definitely tell when the channel has changed |
| [01:04:21] | bllz: | ok let's try it now that mythfilldatabase has run |
| [01:04:49] | bllz: | yeah keyboard works |
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| [01:06:26] | bllz: | k_ross: although I have no idea how to proceed from here... |
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| [01:07:33] | k_ross: | bllz: i had to disconnect, so i probably missed your replies |
| [01:07:40] | bllz: | aah okay |
| [01:07:41] | k_ross: | any luck changing with keyboard? |
| [01:07:44] | bllz: | i said that they keyboard works |
| [01:08:22] | k_ross: | so it's looking like interference from your remote, then. try shielding the ir sensor on the cable box from anything but the ir blaster |
| [01:09:52] | bllz: | okay brb |
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| [01:11:24] | bllz: | k_ross: I put the STB in a big paper bag, but we still have the same problem |
| [01:12:45] | k_ross: | yet it works fine using the keyboard from within myth to change the channel? |
| [01:14:04] | bllz: | yeah... |
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| [01:16:08] | k_ross: | try putting a sleep at the beginning of the script, so it waits until all of your remote control activities are done before it starts sending its own IR commands |
| [01:16:13] | k_ross: | something like sleep 2 |
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| [01:16:53] | bllz: | k_ross: where exactly? I don't know how to write scripts, so you'll have to be very explicit |
| [01:17:12] | k_ross: | before line 6 would be ok |
| [01:17:28] | k_ross: | (the line that begins with "case") |
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| [01:19:38] | bllz: | k_ross: no need to indent or anyhing? Just hit enter for a enw line and type out "sleep 2" without the quotes? |
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| [01:19:53] | k_ross: | indenting is optional, but it makes it prettier |
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| [01:20:09] | bllz: | k_ross: oh so indents are ignored |
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| [01:20:20] | bllz: | I'm paranoid, so I'm going to pastebin just in case |
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| [01:20:41] | k_ross: | ok |
| [01:20:50] | bllz: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/341563/ |
| [01:21:09] | k_ross: | yep, looks good |
| [01:21:15] | k_ross: | give that a try |
| [01:21:27] | bllz: | k_ross: any need to restart a service? |
| [01:21:31] | bllz: | like lirc or mythv-fontend? |
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| [01:21:47] | k_ross: | nope |
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| [01:23:03] | bllz: | k_ross: i might have misreproted the exact symptoms |
| [01:23:10] | k_ross: | hmm ok |
| [01:23:12] | bllz: | I think it's beahving a little differently than I innitially noticed |
| [01:23:28] | bllz: | it seems to change to the appropriate channel, and then quickly change back to the one corresponding to the first digit |
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| [01:23:36] | k_ross: | hmm interesting |
| [01:23:40] | bllz: | let me go back and try again with the original config we ahd |
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| [01:24:56] | bllz: | k_ross: lol okay brace for weird |
| [01:25:00] | bllz: | now iwth the original script |
| [01:25:05] | bllz: | this is exactly what happens |
| [01:25:34] | bllz: | it changes to the right channel, but it doesn't even stay on it long enough for a picture to appear (only the overlay)... it then goes back to the channel corresponding to the last digit |
| [01:26:47] | k_ross: | try deleting lines 19–22 in the new script your pasted |
| [01:27:17] | bllz: | new script? with the sleep 2? |
| [01:27:23] | k_ross: | yes |
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| [01:28:18] | bllz: | k_ross: so i delete the blank line to the ;; |
| [01:28:54] | k_ross: | yes |
| [01:29:10] | bllz: | (sorry, i just like to double check everything... saves time in my experience...) |
| [01:29:27] | k_ross: | np |
| [01:29:44] | bllz: | ok brb. testing |
| [01:31:11] | bllz: | k_ross: same problem |
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| [01:35:30] | k_ross: | i might suggest adding another line to the script which will add some logging |
| [01:35:46] | bllz: | sure let's do it |
| [01:35:52] | bllz: | i'll revert to the original script |
| [01:35:56] | bllz: | and then let's add the line |
| [01:36:00] | k_ross: | ok |
| [01:36:40] | bllz: | k_ross: okay what's the line? |
| [01:36:53] | k_ross: | in the same place you put the "sleep 2" before, put this: echo "Changing channel to $cmd" >> ~/channel-change.log |
| [01:37:18] | k_ross: | actually |
| [01:37:50] | Dagmar: | Test for writeability of that location and that it is a plain file |
| [01:37:50] | k_ross: | you might want to change the "~" to "/tmp" |
| [01:38:05] | Dagmar: | ABSOLUTELY test for thsoe things if you're going to use /tmp |
| [01:38:09] | k_ross: | since it runs as the mythtv user |
| [01:38:28] | Dagmar: | There's no need to write unsafe code just becasue the thing might not ever have more than one user |
| [01:38:43] | bllz: | uhh... so what do I do? lol |
| [01:38:50] | Dagmar: | I have obtained root on literally dozens of machines because of some admin's slack treatment of /tmp |
| [01:39:16] | Dagmar: | bliz: there's some simple test operators in bash, but mainly you can use touch |
| [01:39:30] | Dagmar: | Probably better to keep it in the homedir tho |
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| [01:39:55] | k_ross: | keep it as "~" instead of "/tmp" |
| [01:39:55] | Dagmar: | There's no real way to keep a file safe in /tmp without a bunch of extra code to make sure it's owned by the correct uid/gid |
| [01:40:04] | bllz: | ah okay |
| [01:40:17] | bllz: | yeah then let's do ~/ |
| [01:40:26] | Dagmar: | ...not with a fixed filename anyway. mktemp gets around the problem by using a mostly random name and careful checkes |
| [01:40:36] | k_ross: | and then take it all out as soon as we're done, so Dagmar doesn't hack your machine and fill it with pr0n |
| [01:40:51] | bllz: | haha yeah i know all about dagmar and his CP |
| [01:40:51] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [01:40:58] | bllz: | ;=) |
| [01:41:05] | Dagmar: | Nah. Liability. |
| [01:41:21] | Dagmar: | I was thinking that would be a fun trick--I *do* tend to "take" people's porn if I break it |
| [01:41:22] | k_ross: | gotcha |
| [01:41:25] | Dagmar: | er break in. |
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| [01:41:34] | Dagmar: | Leave a little text file saying "I took yer porno" |
| [01:41:36] | bllz: | so we're just doing echo "changing channel to $cmd" >> ~/channel-change.log, right? |
| [01:41:46] | bllz: | lol |
| [01:41:46] | k_ross: | yeah |
| [01:41:49] | bllz: | noooo not my porno! |
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| [01:42:02] | k_ross: | unless Dagmar has a better line(s) to paste in |
| [01:42:08] | bllz: | ok done |
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| [01:42:14] | Dagmar: | I could start snowballing it by taking other captured porn and uploading it in place of what I "took" but I can't attest to the provenance of porn I stole from other people |
| [01:42:43] | Dagmar: | It's all fun and games until someone starts making claims about child porn |
| [01:42:50] | k_ross: | ok try changing channels with the remote a single time, and then look at the log file generated, make sure it's only trying to change once |
| [01:42:54] | bllz: | Dagmar; yeah no kidding |
| [01:43:03] | bllz: | k_ross: okay |
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| [01:44:12] | k-man: | can one use the nouveau nvidia drivers with mythtv? is it fast enough? |
| [01:44:23] | Dagmar: | why would you |
| [01:44:30] | k_ross: | exactly |
| [01:44:32] | bllz: | k_ross: nano channel-change.log creates a new empty file... |
| [01:44:38] | k-man: | because i hate binary blobs |
| [01:44:39] | k-man: | ? |
| [01:44:43] | k_ross: | well, unless you don't have vdpau capable video card |
| [01:44:45] | bllz: | k_ross: terminal is pointed at user@host:~ |
| [01:44:55] | k-man: | k_ross: lets assume i dont |
| [01:45:02] | [R]: | k-man: well you could... i dunno... try it |
| [01:45:02] | Dagmar: | I hate trying to use code that's far from complete even more. |
| [01:45:02] | k_ross: | it will be in mythtv's home dir |
| [01:45:11] | Dagmar: | Those drivers will not help. |
| [01:45:22] | Dagmar: | You might as well just be using the unaccellerated drivers Xorg comes with |
| [01:45:28] | bllz: | k_ross: oh. duh. so /home/mythtv/ |
| [01:46:10] | bllz: | k_ross: well here's our problem... Chagning to channel 32, changing to channel 2, changing to channel 2 |
| [01:46:16] | bllz: | the first part is okay =) |
| [01:46:25] | k_ross: | hmm interesting |
| [01:46:45] | k_ross: | so there's no problem with the script, it's just being called multiple times, for some reason |
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| [01:47:03] | bllz: | k_ross: yeah... the question is why the fuck |
| [01:47:33] | k_ross: | instead of typing in the channel number with the remote, bring up the program guide and change channels that way |
| [01:47:47] | bllz: | k_ross: i think that generates the same problem |
| [01:48:00] | k_ross: | verify, please :) |
| [01:48:06] | bllz: | k_ross: but do you think that could have something to do with the fact that a single button press generates several hits in irw? |
| [01:48:25] | k_ross: | possibly |
| [01:48:40] | k_ross: | changing channel via EPG should confirm that |
| [01:49:29] | bllz: | k_ross: EPG? |
| [01:49:35] | bllz: | oh program guide? |
| [01:49:35] | k_ross: | electronic program guide |
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| [01:50:20] | bllz: | k_ross: hmm... actually EPG works |
| [01:50:29] | dserban_: | holy crapstickles |
| [01:50:30] | bllz: | (I could have sworn it didn't. good thing I checked) |
| [01:51:03] | k_ross: | then it might be the multiple number presses doing it |
| [01:51:33] | k_ross: | i think there are ways to minimize that |
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| [01:51:46] | Dagmar: | Jesus someone break out the modem wax |
| [01:51:49] | bllz: | k_ross: it would seem so... here's my irw output for 2 + 5 + OK |
| [01:51:58] | Dagmar: | Surf's up tonight with the join/part floods |
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| [01:52:09] | k_ross: | yeah no kidding |
| [01:52:11] | kormoc: | bllz: pastebin if it's long? |
| [01:52:17] | bllz: | k_ross: http://paste.ubuntu.com/341575/ |
| [01:52:23] | bllz: | kormoc: of course |
| [01:52:27] | ** kormoc gives bllz a cookie ** | |
| [01:52:47] | ** bllz eats cookie quickly while nervously glancing around at others in the room ** | |
| [01:52:49] | Dagmar: | Whatever you're doing now it looks like you're on the right track |
| [01:52:56] | bllz: | Dagmar: me? |
| [01:53:03] | Dagmar: | That data |
| [01:53:09] | bllz: | yeah... it's irw data |
| [01:53:18] | Dagmar: | Most remotes, when you get the framing right on what you're seeing, have really obvious mechanisms |
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| [01:53:27] | Dagmar: | ...barring of course the MCEUSB crazy-talk ones |
| [01:53:44] | bllz: | Dagmar: incidentally this is an MCE usb remote |
| [01:53:57] | dserban_: | Holy ... why did they call themselves "The Cure" when their music is so depressing? |
| [01:54:01] | Dagmar: | What about the 2, 5, ok, exit, 3, ok, exit bits |
| [01:54:13] | Dagmar: | dserban: They're not all depressing |
| [01:54:23] | bllz: | Dagmar: well all I punched in was 2, 5, and OK |
| [01:54:32] | k_ross: | the input from "mceusb" looks fine |
| [01:54:42] | dserban_: | Dagmar: I know, rhythmbox is pickin' some damned depressing stuff for the last hour or two :P |
| [01:54:42] | k_ross: | the "01" in the second column just means its a repeat |
| [01:54:47] | kormoc: | dserban_: the cure is death? |
| [01:54:49] | k_ross: | which myth should ignore |
| [01:55:02] | dserban_: | kormoc: hah! :P |
| [01:55:16] | bllz: | k_ross: so why the 2 at the end? |
| [01:55:28] | Dagmar: | dserban: There was that album they made after Robert hooked up with Siouxsie Sioux from Siouxsie & the Banshees which was really happy |
| [01:55:41] | Dagmar: | It was _crazy_ |
| [01:55:47] | Dagmar: | Freaked out a lot of people. |
| [01:55:49] | dserban_: | :o Wish? |
| [01:55:54] | Dagmar: | I think so |
| [01:55:55] | k_ross: | bllz: well that's what's being sent out by myth, for some reason |
| [01:55:56] | Dagmar: | It's been awhile |
| [01:56:06] | Dagmar: | I played it for my friends and dared them to guess who it was |
| [01:56:21] | Dagmar: | "Apparently, having sex makes you happy!" |
| [01:56:25] | bllz: | k_ross: think it could be the script? |
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| [01:56:57] | dserban_: | yeah, though they're true masters of the genre, nothin' but respect. Though I want to tell the default "retardo" gnome music player that my mood isn't what it thinks it is... |
| [01:56:58] | k_ross: | no, it's obviously being invoked multiple times, as evidenced by the log output |
| [01:57:15] | bllz: | k_ross: any ideas? Dagmar? |
| [01:57:22] | dserban_: | ok seriously can someone pass along some immodium upstream? This dumping is annoying me. |
| [01:57:22] | Dagmar: | desrban: That's because all current genre frameworks suck |
| [01:57:35] | bllz: | dserban_: lol |
| [01:57:44] | Dagmar: | Only shitty pop music is so two-dimensional that it fits neatly into a single-word genre |
| [01:57:52] | k_ross: | unfortunately, i'm out of time. you've made progress in narrowing it down, maybe someone else can help finish it off :) |
| [01:58:04] | bllz: | k_ross: thanks so much for your help |
| [01:58:08] | bllz: | it's much appreciated! |
| [01:58:17] | k_ross: | bllz: no problem, hope you get it sorted out! |
| [01:58:40] | Dagmar: | bllz: So record all the single-number keys one after the otehr |
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| [01:58:51] | Dagmar: | I wager we can deduce the missing zero |
| [01:59:01] | dserban_: | Dagmar: though... the pet shop boys fit that stereotype... yet I'm magically attracted to their music |
| [01:59:13] | bllz: | Dagmar: missing zero? |
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| [01:59:22] | Dagmar: | I thought you were still missing the zero |
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| [01:59:55] | Dagmar: | dserban_: Hmm.. You might like Orchestral Manoevers in the Dark and possibly Erasure or Depeche Mode then |
| [02:00:02] | Dagmar: | ...and no, it doesn't make you gay. |
| [02:00:06] | dserban_: | haha! |
| [02:00:06] | ** awalls thinks about that Pet Shop Boys song that goes "divided by, divided by, ...." ** | |
| [02:00:09] | bllz: | Dagmar: no. the problem now is that the remote calls the channel change fucntion too many time (and incorrectly) |
| [02:00:25] | bllz: | Dagmar: so when i change to, say channel 32, it'll change to 32, then change to 2 and then change to 2 again |
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| [02:00:40] | Dagmar: | bllz: Same as if someone's hitting 3-2-2–2? |
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| [02:00:41] | dserban_: | Yep, I really do like it all though, it's odd, I only hate country. With a passion. Maybe because I live right beside to what equates as texas .. in canada. |
| [02:00:43] | bllz: | Dagmar: and this only happens when I punch in the number keys, not in the program guide and not when I use ssh to run the script |
| [02:00:49] | Dagmar: | ...or 32ok2ok2ok? |
| [02:00:54] | bllz: | the second one |
| [02:00:57] | bllz: | 32ok2ok2ok |
| [02:01:03] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
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| [02:01:20] | Dagmar: | That woudl probably be a sign something's wrong with the way it's being called |
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| [02:02:06] | Dagmar: | ...or that there'll be a very visible difference in the way 3 and 2 are defined in the configuration file controlling the output |
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| [02:02:22] | bllz: | Dagmar: so what's the next step? |
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| [02:02:26] | bllz: | Dagmar: let me pastebin the config file... |
| [02:02:37] | bllz: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/340911/ |
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| [02:02:59] | dorgan: | ok now what everyone is back...what does everyone think of this config: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=13032186 |
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| [02:06:46] | dserban_: | bllz: what's wrong with using the base dct-2000 series remote codes? |
| [02:07:11] | dserban_: | I control dct 2200's 2500's and 700's all with the same dct lirc config |
| [02:07:13] | bllz: | dserban_: I'm using a DCT700 and it won't recognize the 0 |
| [02:07:16] | bllz: | so i have to use these |
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| [02:07:29] | dserban_: | oh mine gets the 0... wth? |
| [02:07:45] | bsdfox: | hi, I just changed the mobo/cpu in my mythtv backend and now all my recordings have no audio. the previously recorded tv shows play with sound but anything recorded since the switch doesn't.. not really sure where to look for the problem. any advice? |
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| [02:08:04] | bllz: | dserban_: can I see your dct700 config? |
| [02:08:16] | dserban_: | don't have it here at work:x |
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| [02:08:33] | bllz: | dserban_: damn... where did you get it from? |
| [02:08:34] | dserban_: | though i'm on later so ican just give you a link later |
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| [02:08:43] | bllz: | dserban_: i'd appreciate that |
| [02:08:43] | dserban_: | bllz: lirc |
| [02:08:46] | dserban_: | .org |
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| [02:09:16] | Dagmar: | bllz: hack a quick bit into the channel change script to make it write to a log 1) when it's invoked, 2) each key it tries to emit, and 3) when it exits |
| [02:09:16] | Dagmar: | Ouch. Raw codes kinda suck |
| [02:09:16] | Dagmar: | This will take some scribbling too |
| [02:09:16] | Dagmar: | Might be a few minutes |
| [02:09:17] | Dagmar: | Were you using the one from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Motorola_DC . . . hange_Script before? |
| [02:09:17] | Dagmar: | The flagrant 42050 towards the bottom doesn't catch your eye? |
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| [02:09:49] | bllz: | Dagmar: how would I do that? I don't know how to write scripts |
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| [02:12:14] | Dagmar: | bllt: One moment and I'll show you |
| [02:12:18] | Dagmar: | Note: It'll use syslog |
| [02:12:24] | Dagmar: | ..cuz it timestamps for free |
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| [02:14:28] | bllz: | Dagmar: that's fine. You may need to hold my hand a bit here lol, i'm not sure how to check syslogs |
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| [02:17:57] | bsdfox: | sorry for repost but I hit the middle of a netsplit... hi, I just changed the mobo/cpu in my mythtv backend and now all my recordings have no audio. the previously recorded tv shows play with sound but anything recorded since the switch doesn't.. not really sure where to look for the problem. any advice? |
| [02:19:00] | bllz: | bsdfox: you probably have the wrong drivers or ALSA settings running for your installation |
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| [02:20:41] | bsdfox: | it needs alsa? |
| [02:21:00] | bllz: | bsdfox: i don't know, that would probably depend on your configuration |
| [02:21:20] | Dagmar: | bllz: http://pastebin.com/m140209d5 like this |
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| [02:21:21] | bllz: | but if you change mobo and CPU and you were using integrated audio, something may have changed on the hardware side that hasn't changed on the software side |
| [02:21:26] | bsdfox: | bllz: I didn't have any sound drivers installed before.. not sure why it'd use alsa |
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| [02:25:47] | bllz: | Dagmar: ok I made the changes. So now I go and try to change channels? |
| [02:25:59] | Dagmar: | Right! |
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| [02:26:06] | Dagmar: | So... |
| [02:26:16] | Dagmar: | bllz: http://pastebin.com/d3e279f86 |
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| [02:26:24] | iamlindoro: | Jesus Christ, Freenode |
| [02:26:26] | Dagmar: | I had some typos and forgot to log the PID |
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| [02:26:47] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: yeah I was going to say I'll have to wax my cablemodem early this year from surfing so many netsplits |
| [02:26:51] | bllz: | Dagmar: oh, so I should use that second version? |
| [02:26:55] | Dagmar: | bllz: Yes. |
| [02:27:02] | Dagmar: | Notably, logger -r won't help much |
| [02:27:25] | Dagmar: | That should give you a _really_ solid idea of when the script is being called and what it's telling irsend to do |
| [02:27:53] | Dagmar: | Logger is a _really_ easy utility for writing to syslog |
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| [02:28:20] | clever: | i generaly just echo foo >> /tmp/logfile |
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| [02:28:30] | Dagmar: | clever: That doesn't timestamp |
| [02:28:38] | Dagmar: | In this case, we kinda want timestamps |
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| [02:28:40] | clever: | echo `date` foo >> /tmp/logfile |
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| [02:28:55] | Dagmar: | clever: Again, you are wasting time typing that other crap |
| [02:29:16] | clever: | yeah syslog would probly help because of several other things |
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| [02:30:21] | Dagmar: | while it might be simple enough to use `date` the format of a whole datestring is more than we need, it's an extra step that we *could possibly typo*, and we don't need to be so special as to get our own |
| [02:30:32] | Dagmar: | Plus, IIRC Ubuntu's syslog uses high-res time and not whole seconds. |
| [02:30:49] | Dagmar: | Getting that out of date would require a format string full of %arcana |
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| [02:31:26] | bllz: | Dagmar: okay I made the changes and attempted to change channels... how do i access the logs now? |
| [02:31:47] | Dagmar: | bllz: THey *should* (in theory) be accessible by everyone in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| [02:31:50] | clever: | somewhere in /var/log/ |
| [02:32:07] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure which one user.notice goes into on Ubuntu, but `grep irsend /var/log/whatever` should turn up a nice list |
| [02:32:08] | bllz: | Dagmar: either or? Doesn't matter? |
| [02:32:18] | Dagmar: | It might come up in both. Syslog is pretty fancy |
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| [02:32:56] | bllz: | oh my. long log is long |
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| [02:33:17] | Dagmar: | All syslog messages have two descriptors attached, one being the facility that's reporting something (like mail, uucp/news, etc) and one indicating the priority of the message |
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| [02:33:45] | Dagmar: | Syslog can filter on both/eitehr of these and generate any number of logs simultaneously based on the filtering criteria |
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| [02:34:24] | Dagmar: | You can have a log that just pertains to mail things with a priority of emergency, or you can have a log of errors generated by the kernel that are not emergencies, etc etc |
| [02:34:48] | Dagmar: | The default descriptors logger users are user.nothice |
| [02:34:50] | Dagmar: | er user.notice |
| [02:35:03] | bllz: | Dagmar: any of tihs look relevant? http://paste.ubuntu.com/341592/ |
| [02:35:19] | Rebecca: | anyone know of a nice demo video of the current mythtv frontend interface and usability of main features? |
| [02:35:35] | bllz: | Dagmar: seems consistent with my problem... i tried to tune to 32 and ultimately ended up on 3 |
| [02:35:44] | Dagmar: | bllz: Seriously, grep the file |
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| [02:35:55] | Dagmar: | `grep irsend filename` |
| [02:36:00] | Dagmar: | It'll get you just the lines you care about |
| [02:36:07] | bllz: | where filename is the script name? |
| [02:36:08] | Rebecca: | need some mythtv feature pron to convince my partner it's worth the small fortune ill be spending on it, lol |
| [02:36:11] | bllz: | ooh no |
| [02:36:12] | bllz: | nvm |
| [02:36:17] | Dagmar: | If that was from *one* attempt at a channel change, you definitely haev a problem |
| [02:36:18] | bllz: | filename is the log file |
| [02:36:30] | [R]: | Rebecca: you can't just install it and play around with it? |
| [02:36:32] | bllz: | Dagmar: it was from one attempt at tuning to 32 |
| [02:36:40] | Dagmar: | Something's wrong then |
| [02:36:48] | Dagmar: | Try running the channel change script manually |
| [02:36:52] | Dagmar: | See if it works like that |
| [02:37:03] | bllz: | Dagmar: it does |
| [02:37:09] | Dagmar: | I think what you pasted clearly indicates there's a problem, but it doesn't hurt to verify that when called correctly it DOES work correctly |
| [02:37:13] | bllz: | and it works when i use a keyboard in the myth frontend |
| [02:37:18] | bllz: | it's only failing with the remote |
| [02:37:18] | wilberfan: | (that's where bllz went!) |
| [02:37:47] | Rebecca: | [R]: not on my current hardware(old laptops). and im investing in the backend system first.. so there is significant delay between cost/effort and tangible reward |
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| [02:38:14] | bllz: | Dagmar: here's the grepped version; http://paste.ubuntu.com/341594/ |
| [02:38:24] | [R]: | Rebecca: what does you having an old laptop have to do with anyhting |
| [02:38:28] | bllz: | wilberfan: lol sorry i was going to get back to you. if only to tell you to try here =) |
| [02:38:37] | Dagmar: | I.r. stoopid |
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| [02:38:50] | wilberfan: | bllz here i is!! |
| [02:38:54] | Dagmar: | ...althoug hclearly we've got a problem if that's supposed to eb one channel change |
| [02:39:02] | Dagmar: | It should be logging when it starts |
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| [02:39:28] | dorgan: | ok lets try this again lol |
| [02:39:33] | bllz: | Dagmar: I should also mention that it works fine when changing channels through the guide |
| [02:39:46] | Rebecca: | [R]: let's see.. i have no ir remote/receiver yet, they can't display HD, i don't have a spare HDD to install mythtv on... |
| [02:39:50] | dorgan: | what does everyone think of this setup: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=13032186 |
| [02:40:03] | [R]: | Rebecca: you said you wanted to see the frontend... you dont need any of that to see the frontend |
| [02:40:09] | Dagmar: | I must have messed up something in the first invocation of logger using echo to a pipe |
| [02:40:26] | Dagmar: | bllz: Change that first call of logger (the entire line) to: logger -t irsend\($$\) "$0 invoked with \"$*\"" |
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| [02:40:31] | Dagmar: | I was trying to be fancy and I failed |
| [02:40:58] | Dagmar: | Right so from just the log you pasted, we can tell that the channel change script was actually called multiople times |
| [02:41:12] | Dagmar: | $$ is the current process id and is being put next to irsend in parenthesis |
| [02:41:24] | Dagmar: | Every new invocation of something gets a process id number of it's own |
| [02:41:45] | bllz: | Dagmar: line 10? (just double checking) |
| [02:41:45] | Dagmar: | So 3748 sent 2 then OK and exited... then it was called again |
| [02:41:58] | Dagmar: | 3773 sent 3 then 2 then OK then EXIT and then exited |
| [02:42:07] | Dagmar: | ...and then 3796 came up and sent 3, OK, EXIT |
| [02:42:13] | Rebecca: | [R]: you're missing the point.. i want to show off/view the features before actually setting it up, and was looking for an online video to do so.. not criticism that i shoud just install it on my own laptops |
| [02:42:19] | Dagmar: | bllz: line 5. |
| [02:42:27] | Dagmar: | The "fancy" one that pipes echo into logger using a pipe |
| [02:42:42] | Dagmar: | It should work, but it didn't and there's no sense worrying too much about it when it's easy enough to fix |
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| [02:43:10] | [R]: | Rebecca: whatever |
| [02:43:41] | Dagmar: | bllz: If you'd like even more detail about what's going on _in realtime_ do this... |
| [02:44:04] | Dagmar: | bllz: Open a terminal window on that machine in a way that you can watch while the frontend is running (ssh, whatever) |
| [02:44:17] | Dagmar: | bllz: Run the following.... `tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep irsend` |
| [02:44:26] | Dagmar: | You will then see in realtime when it's doing stuff |
| [02:44:54] | defaultro: | evening folks, I'm thinking of building mythtv later on my newer machine. It'll be only configured as mythfrontend. Do I need mysql client libraries? |
| [02:44:57] | bllz: | ah okay |
| [02:45:07] | Dagmar: | Tail is very handy. It can be used to just get the last few lines of a log. With -f it "follows" the end, so once per second it will check to see if the file has grown, and if so, show you the new bits |
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| [02:45:36] | Dagmar: | Use grep to filter out all lines that don't involve irsend and you can just watch it to see if it shows what you press, when you press it |
| [02:45:37] | Dagmar: | It SHOULD |
| [02:45:47] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't there's definitely a malfunction somewhere in MythTV |
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| [02:46:13] | bllz: | Dagmar: logger -t irsend\($$\) "$0 invoked with \"$*\"" |
| [02:46:24] | Dagmar: | Looks fine to me |
| [02:46:28] | bllz: | lol ooops |
| [02:46:32] | Dagmar: | $0 is the name of the script as it was called |
| [02:46:46] | Rebecca: | [R]: sorry, im aware i _could_ install it but that just wasn't what i was after and didn't want to debate that point. wanted just to see what it was capable of after being properly configured in a real frontend/backend setup. :) |
| [02:46:47] | bllz: | Dagmar; I meant to send you the pastbin... here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/341602/ |
| [02:46:53] | Dagmar: | $* is a fancy way of saying "all the arguments passed" instead of $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 |
| [02:47:20] | Dagmar: | Something's messed up. |
| [02:47:26] | bllz: | lol clearly =) |
| [02:47:40] | bllz: | I can't figure out for the life of me why it only does this with the remote... |
| [02:47:51] | Dagmar: | If that's you pressing '3' then '2', I think lirc's listener is somehow screwing up and seeing you press '32' somehow instead of just '2' |
| [02:47:59] | Dagmar: | So it's seeing, and repeating '32' '2' |
| [02:48:08] | bllz: | no i was trying to tune to 32 |
| [02:48:14] | bllz: | i hit 3, 2, and OK |
| [02:48:19] | Dagmar: | bliz: It's only doing it with the remote because it thinks that '3' is '32' |
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| [02:48:23] | bllz: | and 32 was on the overlay before I hit okay |
| [02:48:34] | Dagmar: | Find a dialog you can enter numbers into and see |
| [02:48:46] | bllz: | Dagmar: i'm not following you... |
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| [02:49:05] | kormoc: | Any turks about? |
| [02:49:06] | Dagmar: | bllz: Don't worry about making it actually change channels. |
| [02:49:20] | bllz: | Dagmar: what do you want me to do though? |
| [02:49:20] | Dagmar: | Just monitor the logs, and press 1, 2, 3, 4 _slowly_ |
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| [02:49:36] | bllz: | Dagmar: on the remote or in a terminal? |
| [02:49:37] | Dagmar: | See if it's sending JUST 1 then 2, then 3, then 4 to the channel change script |
| [02:49:44] | Dagmar: | Press 'em on the remote |
| [02:49:46] | bllz: | ah okay |
| [02:49:48] | bllz: | brb |
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| [02:50:42] | Dagmar: | You're trying to "watch" the progress of the "three data" as it goes from your hand, into the button, through the air as infrared signals, into the reciever, through lircd's listener, into mythfrontend, out through the channel changer |
| [02:51:03] | Dagmar: | Feel free to visualize it as a little flying number if you have to |
| [02:51:09] | bllz: | well single digits seem to work... |
| [02:51:35] | Dagmar: | Okay so now to see if somethign weird is happenign when you type multiple numbers and then press OK |
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| [02:51:56] | Dagmar: | ...abnd to stab the source of these netsplits in it's face |
| [02:52:03] | bllz: | haha |
| [02:52:21] | Dagmar: | I SWEAR it feels like freaking 1996 on EFnet around here. |
| [02:52:31] | Dagmar: | All it's missing is the comment "Nick collision." after every disappearance. |
| [02:52:34] | bllz: | Dagmar: so now you just want me to try the same thing with multidigit numbers? |
| [02:52:50] | Dagmar: | bliz: Actually just "2" then the OK button first |
| [02:53:10] | Dagmar: | There may be something really weird going on inside Myth that's making it _not_ just act as a translation device |
| [02:53:24] | Dagmar: | ...or it might be that you have two different parts of myth operating on the same data |
| [02:53:37] | Dagmar: | AFAIK myth should NOT send the number for the channel change immediately |
| [02:53:47] | Dagmar: | It SHOULD be hanging onto it until you press ok or enter or whatever, and THEN sending them |
| [02:54:01] | Dagmar: | If it's somehow doing both, then we've isolated the type of misconfiguration |
| [02:54:19] | bllz: | Dagmar: actually I just noticed... this is strange... when i type in a number and do nothing, it seems to get pased along several times |
| [02:54:22] | bllz: | let me pastebin it |
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| [02:55:20] | bllz: | Dagmar http://paste.ubuntu.com/341603/ |
| [02:55:37] | bllz: | I just hit "9" once... and nothing else. I didn't hit OK, nothing... |
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| [02:59:05] | bllz: | Dagmar: but I can't figure out if the script is responsible, or if lirc is, or if mythtv is or what... like I said, the script works perfectly when invoked from the terminal (/usr/bin/change-channel.sh 24) or when changing channels from the program guide |
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| [03:02:16] | bllz: | OMFG WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN... |
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| [03:03:44] | wilberfan: | pretty annoying, isn't it?! |
| [03:04:08] | wilberfan: | my other servers are doing the same thing... |
| [03:04:36] | bllz: | it's bloody irritating as hell |
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| [03:09:49] | bllz: | fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu- did everybody leave? |
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| [03:10:37] | Rebecca: | lol, no |
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| [03:11:42] | bllz: | sigh... |
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| [03:17:36] | dserban_: | sheesh... liek uhhmmm sariously.... mmmkhayy? |
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| [03:19:53] | bllz: | I guess nobody's in a talking mood |
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| [03:19:55] | bllz: | is Dagmar still here? |
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| [03:20:40] | bllz: | oh god dammit |
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| [03:21:23] | mag0o: | haha |
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| [03:23:52] | Dagmar: | bllz: I suspect it shouldnt' be sending that twice. Something's gone a bit off in myth with the button relay but I don't know what it is |
| [03:23:52] | Dagmar: | What would be more telling (for sure) would be a two number sequence wthout pressing ok |
| [03:23:54] | Dagmar: | Someone who actually uses Myth to relay codes to their STB will likely know what you need to poke at in Myth's configuration |
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| [03:24:01] | Dagmar: | If they see it's repeating 3,2,OK,3,OK when it should only be sending 3,2 or 3,2,OK it'll be a dead giveaway for them |
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| [03:24:37] | bllz: | Dagmar: okay |
| [03:24:41] | bllz: | let me try that real quick |
| [03:25:24] | Dagmar: | argh |
| [03:25:37] | Dagmar: | I was digging through some tarballs looking for my old lirc hacks and cant' find 'em |
| [03:25:45] | bllz: | Dagmar: just in case it means anything to you ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/341613/ |
| [03:26:00] | Dagmar: | I had scribbled up something that would grind up raw codes and turn them into something more rational but I think I might have deleted it |
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| [03:26:16] | bllz: | every time there's that last digit that gets resent... |
| [03:26:28] | Dagmar: | bllz: It would help if the last digit didn't match the first digit |
| [03:26:35] | bllz: | true |
| [03:26:39] | Dagmar: | It would make it more transparent |
| [03:26:46] | Dagmar: | Somethign has to be misconfigured tho |
| [03:27:19] | Dagmar: | ALSO... wait 2 seconds between button presses so it'll be obvious which event is triggering what |
| [03:27:30] | Rebecca: | okay.. this is a sillly silly question.. but.. has anyone setup mythtv to schedule/control a roomba? |
| [03:27:35] | bllz: | Dagmar: okay |
| [03:28:05] | Dagmar: | Rebecca: I kinda doubt it since even the cheap Roombas can be coerced into operating on their own scheduler |
| [03:28:20] | Rebecca: | Dagmar: yeah, true |
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| [03:28:32] | bllz: | Dagmar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/341615/ |
| [03:28:37] | Dagmar: | I have two of the things, although one ate it's gearbox after an incident with some thread |
| [03:28:41] | bllz: | let me do that again with the pause |
| [03:29:08] | Dagmar: | bllz: OKay so if you waited two seconds between presses something is definitely wrong |
| [03:29:13] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [03:29:32] | bllz: | Dagmar: here's the 2 second pause version |
| [03:29:34] | Dagmar: | That log shows the channel changer being called twice almost back to back |
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| [03:30:04] | bllz: | Dagmar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/341617/ |
| [03:30:25] | Dagmar: | bllz: Okay so from that we can definitely tell that myth is messing up |
| [03:30:40] | bllz: | Dagmar: we can? what's tipping you off? |
| [03:31:19] | Dagmar: | You pressed five, 2s pause, then three, 2s pause, then OK, right? |
| [03:31:43] | bllz: | Dagmar: no i pressed one key, waited, pressed key 2 and then waited |
| [03:32:00] | bllz: | do you want me to do 5, pause, 5, okay? |
| [03:32:01] | Dagmar: | Because if you look at the timestamps, it called the channel changer and told it to do 5,3,OK and then five seconds later did it again and told it to press 5,OK |
| [03:32:15] | bllz: | yeah it's been doing that |
| [03:32:35] | Dagmar: | That's basically nothing like what it should have done |
| [03:32:44] | bllz: | indeed =( |
| [03:32:47] | Dagmar: | Try `ircat mythtv` |
| [03:32:53] | Dagmar: | ...without the frontend running. |
| [03:32:54] | bllz: | okay one sec |
| [03:32:59] | bllz: | oh without the frontend |
| [03:33:04] | Dagmar: | That should display on the screen _EXACTLY_ what you are pressing, when you press it |
| [03:33:17] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't then the problem is in the lirc reciever config and it's lost it's mind |
| [03:33:30] | bllz: | okay |
| [03:33:36] | bllz: | so... same thing? 5 3 OK? |
| [03:33:43] | Dagmar: | Well, you don't need the frontend running, but things might get dodgy if more than one thing is listening to lircd at the same time |
| [03:33:47] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [03:33:58] | bllz: | and we get " 5 3 Return" |
| [03:34:11] | bllz: | nice and clean |
| [03:34:25] | Dagmar: | ircat is just a simple testing tool so you can see what lircd is translating button pushes into using the symbolic names that are being passed to the program `mythtv |
| [03:34:38] | Dagmar: | Yeah so we can rule out issues with the lirc reciever |
| [03:34:45] | bllz: | Dagmar: so clearly the lirc service is working |
| [03:34:48] | Dagmar: | It's definitely something misconfigured or just plain bugged in mythtv |
| [03:34:51] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [03:34:54] | bllz: | RAAAAAAAAGE |
| [03:34:55] | bllz: | lol |
| [03:35:03] | Dagmar: | Nah no need to get worked up over it |
| [03:35:12] | Dagmar: | This is a bitch to debug until you're familiar with how all the pieces fit together |
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| [03:35:24] | bllz: | And i'm most certainly not |
| [03:35:27] | Dagmar: | Once you ARE familiar with it then it's merely extremely tedious |
| [03:35:35] | bllz: | sounds promising |
| [03:35:40] | bllz: | should I submit a bug report? |
| [03:36:17] | bllz: | and is there anything we can try to fix it? |
| [03:37:05] | Dagmar: | I'd say give it an hour or so of idling and see if someone who uses the repeater function shows up |
| [03:37:23] | bllz: | I guess this is an issue i can live with |
| [03:37:27] | bllz: | in the big picture |
| [03:38:07] | bllz: | Dagmar: quick unrelated question, if I may |
| [03:38:10] | bllz: | since I have your attention |
| [03:38:20] | Dagmar: | Okay |
| [03:38:28] | bllz: | My sound works in mythtv, but the sound controls do not. I see the slider for the volume move, but the volume doesn't change |
| [03:38:32] | bllz: | any idea what the problem could be? |
| [03:38:47] | bllz: | the mute button similarly doesn't work. I see the overlay say "mute on" but i still get sound |
| [03:38:55] | Dagmar: | You've proably just got the wrong mixer device set in the sound config for the master volume control |
| [03:39:14] | bllz: | Dagmar: How would I determie which mixer device I need? |
| [03:39:21] | bllz: | i'm using integrated audio, if that matters |
| [03:39:34] | Dagmar: | Well, if you're getting sound you know the ALSA:default part is probably right |
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| [03:40:10] | Dagmar: | On that same screen in the frontend setup menus towards the bottom are the selectors for which mixer device to adjust, one of them is generally named 'PCM' |
| [03:40:18] | Dagmar: | It's also in a dropdown IIRC |
| [03:40:47] | Dagmar: | I cant' remember if it's PCM or Master or what there, but that's basically what you need to change (most likely) |
| [03:40:56] | bllz: | hmm. i already tried that actually |
| [03:41:09] | bllz: | tried both PCM and master, but no can do |
| [03:41:53] | Rebecca: | can anyone recommend a nice and functional/mythtv compatible USB IR transmitter? |
| [03:42:19] | bllz: | Rebecca: the MCE USB remotes work very well |
| [03:42:26] | bllz: | sorry... transmitters |
| [03:42:32] | bllz: | well the remotes work well too |
| [03:42:36] | Rebecca: | ok :) |
| [03:42:50] | Dagmar: | Rebecca: There's several listed in the wiki actually |
| [03:43:00] | Dagmar: | bllz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . ontend#Audio |
| [03:43:03] | bllz: | Rebecca: in fact, they work out of the box. You just pick the MCE USB option when configuring lirc |
| [03:43:10] | bllz: | Dagmar: wonderfuk, thanks |
| [03:43:22] | bllz: | *wonderful |
| [03:43:26] | bllz: | lol... that's a hell of a typo |
| [03:43:37] | Dagmar: | bllz: If you have Audio Output Device set to ALSA:default then one of the two (PCM or MAster) should control the audio |
| [03:43:53] | Dagmar: | 'mixer Controls' was the setting I suspected was set wrong |
| [03:44:13] | Dagmar: | If that *doesn't* fix it, run alsamixer from the command line while Myth is playing something and see which slider makes the sound go up and down |
| [03:44:55] | Dagmar: | Probably the most detailed explanations about LIRC can be found at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#IR_Reception_.28to_MythTV.29 |
| [03:45:03] | Dagmar: | I DREW DA PITCHURZ! |
| [03:45:08] | Dagmar: | ;D |
| [03:45:14] | bllz: | lol yayyy |
| [03:45:33] | Rebecca: | bllz: cool, thanks!! i once tried to make my own IR tranciever.. not something i want to do again. hehe |
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| [03:45:59] | bllz: | haha i stayed far away from that, Rebecca |
| [03:46:15] | Rebecca: | probably would have worked if i didn't try to fit it inside a d9 connectoer plugy thing |
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| [03:47:19] | Dagmar: | I just said "Eff it. Too much work" and spent thirty bucks on the weasel serial one |
| [03:47:32] | Dagmar: | No wait, Iguana not weasel |
| [03:47:39] | Dagmar: | It was a typo |
| [03:47:45] | Dagmar: | The keys are like, right next to each other. |
| [03:47:46] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [03:47:49] | bllz: | Dagmar: I get an invalid argument error when i try to run alsamixer |
| [03:48:01] | Rebecca: | Dagmar: hehe |
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| [03:49:01] | Rebecca: | so something like this should be just the ticket i guess: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HP-MCE-KIT-REMOTE-CONT . . . em1e5992081b |
| [03:49:26] | Dagmar: | bllz: Bizarre. Generally you don't have to pass any arguments to it |
| [03:49:41] | bllz: | hmm |
| [03:49:44] | Dagmar: | Rebecca: Not all IR dongles work the same way. |
| [03:49:56] | Dagmar: | Make no assumptions until you've seen LIRC documentation saying it works properly with a specific device. |
| [03:50:05] | Rebecca: | ahhh, ok |
| [03:50:06] | Dagmar: | Otehrwise you may get that hardware in and find out you have to write a bunch of code yourself |
| [03:50:17] | Rebecca: | heh, no thanks |
| [03:50:26] | Dagmar: | USB dongles tend to _not_ be as stupid-simple in their operation as a serial port reciever |
| [03:50:46] | ** Rebecca nods ** | |
| [03:50:52] | Dagmar: | Some masquerade as an HID device (keyboard) and pretty much *look* like a keyboard with very few keys and a couple of strange scancodes |
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| [03:51:12] | Dagmar: | They're confusing as hell to deal with because the _kernel_ tends to think they're a keyboard as well |
| [03:51:44] | Dagmar: | Anything with 'AST' stamped on it probably bites the heads of kittens on alternating weekends. |
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| [03:51:51] | Dagmar: | (yes I am biased) |
| [03:51:52] | Rebecca: | interesting |
| [03:52:12] | Dagmar: | I did a *lot* of IR hackery back in '99 |
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| [03:52:33] | Dagmar: | Some of the AST hardware I got my hands on was so fatally broken it was no big suprise I got it for ten bucks |
| [03:53:03] | Dagmar: | One of htem, about the most detail you could expect from it was "I SEEN ME SOME EYE ARR!" |
| [03:53:30] | Dagmar: | You don't even want to know the degree to which I had to look at things to figure that out |
| [03:53:45] | Rebecca: | hehe, okay |
| [03:54:16] | dserban_: | iz miftevee.whoreg down? |
| [03:54:56] | Rebecca: | many years ago i played around a bit with lircd. got it working just the way i wanted but it took some effort that i don't wanna repeat, ill take your advice and consult LIRC docos |
| [03:55:12] | bllz: | Dagmar: so my 2 options for Mixer Device are ALSA:default and /dev/mixer |
| [03:55:19] | bllz: | it's set to ALSA:default |
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| [03:55:26] | bllz: | and the mixer controls are either PCM or Master |
| [03:55:32] | bllz: | neither of which fix the issue |
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| [03:57:27] | Rebecca: | also wondering if anyone can recommend a decent cheap fanless GPU for HDTV hardware accel supported playback. |
| [03:58:13] | bllz: | Dagmar: what if I changed my audio output device to ALSA: mixed-analog? |
| [03:59:06] | Rebecca: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eKpsFDvmQ&feature=related <- this guy recommends a fanless 9500gt nvidia |
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| [04:09:08] | Rebecca: | anyone? |
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| [04:11:46] | k_ross: | bllz: did you get your channel changer working? |
| [04:12:41] | mazda01: | Rebecca, it obviously depends on your cpu. |
| [04:12:59] | bllz: | k_ross: unfortunately no |
| [04:13:26] | bllz: | k_ross: we diagnosed it as a mythtv issue though. not lirc |
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| [04:13:55] | mazda01: | Rebecca, the nvidia card he says will work great. |
| [04:14:11] | k_ross: | bllz: i was thinking, is it normal to see the ir blaster commands in irw? i mean, is it possible myth is seeing those outgoing commands and interpreting them as incoming? know what i mean? |
| [04:14:14] | Rebecca: | mazda01: okay :) |
| [04:14:41] | bllz: | k_ross: i don't believe we were seeing those in irw, just the commands from the MCE remote |
| [04:14:59] | k_ross: | they were there in the pastebin output of irw you sent |
| [04:15:21] | bllz: | k_ross: ... were they? I thought those were just the MCE codes? |
| [04:15:55] | k_ross: | is the ir receiver anywhere where it can be picking up the output of the ir blaster? |
| [04:16:28] | Dagmar: | That shouldnt' actually cause a huge issue unless both remotes have overlapping codes |
| [04:16:36] | bllz: | k_ross: the IR blaster & STB are in a bag |
| [04:16:37] | bllz: | lol |
| [04:16:42] | bllz: | precisely to avoid that possibility |
| [04:17:05] | Dagmar: | bllz: Black electrical tape is usually less "homeless" looking |
| [04:17:07] | k_ross: | Dagmar, i think the digits were overlapping. and both remotes are defined in lircd.conf |
| [04:17:34] | Dagmar: | Ahhh |
| [04:17:36] | bllz: | Dagmar: it's temporary lol |
| [04:19:02] | Dagmar: | Is that a _paper_ bag? |
| [04:19:17] | Dagmar: | White poly-bags aren't very likely to effectively block IR |
| [04:19:34] | Rebecca: | mazda01: don't have a cpu yet for my frontend. currently trying to plan my ideal system :) (low cost, low moving parts, HD capable) |
| [04:19:48] | bllz: | Dagmar: yes, paper |
| [04:20:00] | bllz: | thick paper |
| [04:20:05] | bllz: | it's a gift bag |
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| [04:20:48] | mazda01: | Rebecca, stick with something at least 2ghz |
| [04:21:29] | Rebecca: | ok |
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| [04:23:33] | k_ross: | the other possibility, does irw always show the ir blaster commands? i don't use an ir blaster, so i don't know if it's a design "feature" of lirc that sent commands are visible to any connected client. |
| [04:24:19] | bllz: | k_ross: hmm i don't know |
| [04:25:16] | Rebecca: | mazda01: know any other fanless GPU options that might be worth looking into (including motherboards with decent onboard video) ?? |
| [04:25:18] | k_ross: | if that's the case, you would need to make sure there aren't any overlappinbg commands in the two remote configurations, and also make sure the .lircrc for mythtv is setup to only accept the commands from the mceusb remote and not the other |
| [04:25:37] | k_ross: | but that is all just speculation |
| [04:25:40] | bllz: | k_ross: i'm only using one remote |
| [04:25:46] | bllz: | athough that does make some amount of sense |
| [04:26:19] | k_ross: | you also have the dct700 remote defined in lircd.conf, and are sending those commands via the ir blaster |
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| [04:27:11] | k_ross: | another option, use firewire to change the channels! :P |
| [04:27:29] | k_ross: | that's what i use, btw |
| [04:27:45] | bllz: | k_ross: thsi is a DCT700,so no firewire |
| [04:27:53] | ** bllz wishes he had the old box ** | |
| [04:28:03] | Dagmar: | Waitaminit |
| [04:28:21] | Dagmar: | Have you called the cable company and said "I actualyl need somethign with a working firewire port on it" |
| [04:28:38] | Dagmar: | In the US unless something has changed they're kind of obligated to give you one of those if you ask |
| [04:28:38] | bllz: | Dagmar: lol i guess i could do that, actually... |
| [04:28:46] | Dagmar: | I feel silly I didn't think of it before |
| [04:28:46] | bllz: | i'll do that tomorrow |
| [04:28:53] | bllz: | yeah me too actually... |
| [04:29:03] | k_ross: | that would be ideal, assuming you have a firewire port on your computer |
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| [04:29:07] | Dagmar: | I know when the guy comes here next week I'll be giving him the serious evil eye if he tries to set me up with one without a working firewire port |
| [04:29:35] | k_ross: | and add-on firewire cards are about $20 now i think |
| [04:30:23] | k_ross: | i just bought one recently. i got the cheapest one i could find, and it works perfectly in linux :) |
| [04:30:57] | bllz: | k_ross: I assume they make them in pci-e these days? |
| [04:31:05] | k_ross: | yes that's what i bought |
| [04:31:10] | bllz: | okay okay |
| [04:31:18] | bllz: | i guess i'll do that if I can't get this to work |
| [04:31:28] | bllz: | ideally i'd like to save the 20 bucks... |
| [04:31:29] | bllz: | but hey |
| [04:31:30] | k_ross: | but really, you should be able to get what you have to work |
| [04:31:41] | bllz: | there comes a point where you just need to say screw it |
| [04:31:47] | bllz: | k_ross: yeah... i'm going to take a break |
| [04:31:52] | bllz: | and get back to it another time |
| [04:31:57] | k_ross: | i understand |
| [04:32:03] | bllz: | it basically works except if you try to punch in the numbers directly |
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| [04:41:41] | Rebecca: | anyone here run their mythtv frontend off SSD? particularly an IDE/SATA <-> Compact Flash converter + CF card setup? |
| [04:43:02] | k_ross: | i use an SSD |
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| [04:44:02] | ahughes: | heya, is "Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD" anygood... just looking at this for htpc... http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/ or for that matter... is that a suitable htpc? |
| [04:44:21] | wagnerrp: | Rebecca: that seems overly complicated |
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| [04:44:42] | k_ross: | you need nvidia 8xxx, 9xxx, or 2xx |
| [04:44:52] | defaultro: | rebecca, should be transparent. It should work |
| [04:45:52] | Rebecca: | defaultro: yeah, i had used them before, just wondering if it was common enough that the write wear management had be addressed |
| [04:46:41] | Rebecca: | not sure why wagnerrp thinks they are overly complicated. pretty simple hardware wise :) |
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| [04:47:18] | ahughes: | k_ross, arrrgghhhh ;) |
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| [04:47:41] | wagnerrp: | Rebecca: i misread it... through you were going SATA --> IDE --> CF |
| [04:48:42] | ** j-rod rocks an OCZ Vertex SSD in his ION frontend. ** | |
| [04:49:18] | k_ross: | ahughes: if you want hardware accelerated HD playback, those are your only options on linux. intel and ati are out |
| [04:49:33] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i dont see much point to booting off a CF card |
| [04:49:33] | wagnerrp: | a real hard drive can be had for $30-$35 |
| [04:49:49] | j-rod: | I've got an ide->cf thing around here somewhere. Too limited for me. |
| [04:50:05] | j-rod: | relatively slow as hell and rather space-confined |
| [04:50:13] | ahughes: | k_ross, rules out about 90% of laptops and machines... but it is what it is :) |
| [04:50:27] | wagnerrp: | an adapter and a CF card is going to cost you that much |
| [04:50:27] | wagnerrp: | and if youre doing it to be quiet, you have a disk server somewhere else in the house |
| [04:50:27] | wagnerrp: | just boot off pxe |
| [04:51:22] | wagnerrp: | save the $30 |
| [04:51:30] | clever: | ive got pxe and nfsroot working here |
| [04:51:44] | clever: | i even modified a laptop to act as a boot server, so i could boot a 2nd laptop off it |
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| [04:52:26] | Essobi: | pxebooting is nice |
| [04:52:27] | clever: | but then the ethernet port on the server went tits up, so its a bit useless now |
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| [04:52:49] | clever: | ive gone from netbooting over gigabit, to netbooting over 10mbit:P |
| [04:53:05] | Essobi: | meh |
| [04:53:08] | Essobi: | 10mbit? |
| [04:53:11] | Essobi: | jeez |
| [04:53:35] | Essobi: | think I'd just put in a p2p ethernet with 1000G before I'd run a 10mb switch again |
| [04:53:48] | Guest24800 is now known as rushfan | |
| [04:53:50] | clever: | my entire house is running 100mbit |
| [04:53:56] | clever: | but the 2 laptops hava gitabit |
| [04:54:01] | Essobi: | nice |
| [04:54:09] | clever: | by connecting them directly to eachother, i can netboot off the other at gigabit |
| [04:54:13] | Essobi: | i <3 firewire |
| [04:54:14] | Essobi: | heh |
| [04:54:15] | clever: | but the ethernet port has now failed:P |
| [04:54:22] | Essobi: | ouch |
| [04:54:27] | clever: | so i'm stuck using a 10mbit pcmcia card or wifi |
| [04:54:36] | clever: | pxe doesnt like wifi:P |
| [04:54:51] | j-rod: | netboot--; ssd++; |
| [04:55:01] | j-rod: | see also gpxe, can work over wifi |
| [04:55:15] | clever: | i now have a bootable usb stick |
| [04:55:24] | clever: | which could easily be modified to bootstrap the wifi card and then nfsroot |
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| [04:56:42] | j-rod: | http://etherboot.org/wiki/wirelessboot |
| [04:56:43] | ahughes: | hey k_ross you know if the 'Gigabyte GA-M85M-US2H' can wake from the tuner card (to start recording)? |
| [04:56:44] | rushfan is now known as Guest8684 | |
| [04:56:57] | Guest8684 is now known as rushfan_ | |
| [04:57:42] | wagnerrp: | am i finally on a functional server? |
| [04:57:52] | clever: | j-rod: ive already got basic networking in my initrd (netcat), it would be simple to add iwconfig and the wifi drivers |
| [04:57:54] | ahughes: | wagnerrp, yep |
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| [05:10:02] | Dagmar: | QUICK TURN THE CHANNEL PORTSIDE OR THE NEXT WAVE WILL CAPSIZE IT |
| [05:10:08] | clever: | :D |
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| [05:10:37] | fhobia: | anybody use scte65scan for comcast and found no channels at all? :-P |
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| [05:13:15] | ctmjr: | can you still ride the split or did timestamping get rid of that |
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| [05:13:35] | markl__: | is there a nightly mythtv 0.22 deb repo? |
| [05:13:51] | wagnerrp: | would have to ask the debian people |
| [05:14:16] | clever: | ctmjr: ive gotten into keyed channels on rizon durring a split |
| [05:14:18] | clever: | without even trying |
| [05:14:32] | clever: | autojoin went in when i reconnected, and because of the split it didnt exist! |
| [05:14:45] | clever: | i became @ in an empty room |
| [05:14:55] | clever: | when it merged, i was -@'d and the key was set infront of me |
| [05:15:32] | ctmjr: | clever: did you kick everyone as they rejoined:) |
| [05:16:19] | clever: | ctmjr: i automaticaly lost @ because of the timestamping |
| [05:16:29] | clever: | and i was AFK so i didnt even know it happened! |
| [05:17:09] | clever: | gamesurge.net has a channel mode +z now |
| [05:17:16] | clever: | which makes the channel stay around even when empty |
| [05:17:19] | clever: | so the modes arent lost |
| [05:17:28] | clever: | so it remains +k on every server |
| [05:19:29] | markl__: | ok i have a weird problem, i have some dvd images. 0.21 would detect that there was a VIDEO_TS directory and start the dvd menu, but 0.22 just seems to show all of the raw vob files; is there a way to have it behave as it did in 0.21? |
| [05:19:57] | wagnerrp: | are you using storage groups? |
| [05:20:04] | markl__: | no |
| [05:21:36] | j-rod: | hm. still need to convert the new imon driver to use dmitry's new sparse keymap code... |
| [05:21:52] | j-rod: | should make for a fun winter break project |
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| [05:42:05] | bllz: | I have a couple of questions: I remember there was a script for previous versions of mythtv that would allow you to save downloaded shows as recordings. Will this still work on the new version? Also, is this even necessary? Is there a way to separate tv shows from movies in the video manager? |
| [05:42:45] | [R]: | bllz: put them in their own directory? |
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| [05:43:25] | bllz: | [R]: yeah I did that for a while in the last version, but I'd really like to get them all together... namely as recordings |
| [05:43:41] | [R]: | huh? |
| [05:43:44] | [R]: | put them all in adirectory |
| [05:43:47] | [R]: | they'll all be together |
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| [05:44:13] | bllz: | yeah i know what your'e saying. I'm just saying that ideally i'd like to not put tv shows in the video manager... but this is in a perfect world =) |
| [05:44:28] | bllz: | and i remember there was a script that could do just that in previous versions |
| [05:44:39] | bllz: | the reason is because I download my shows from rss feeds via bittorrent |
| [05:45:03] | wagnerrp: | ....and thats the end of that discussion |
| [05:45:17] | bllz: | totally legally of course |
| [05:50:23] | bllz: | yeah ragetv is the one... does that still work? |
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| [05:53:25] | wagnerrp: | the ragetv stuff was a metadata grabber for mythvideo, nothing to do with recordings |
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| [06:39:10] | mrec: | hi, does anyone here use a DVB-C device? I wonder mythtv 0.22 always tries to set QAM_auto which is not supported by the device... |
| [06:49:50] | bsdfox_: | hi, I just changed the mobo/cpu in my mythtv backend and now all my recordings have no audio. the previously recorded tv shows play with sound but anything recorded since the switch doesn't.. not really sure where to look for the problem. any advice? |
| [06:50:38] | [R]: | bsdfox_: how are you recording |
| [06:53:51] | bsdfox_: | [R]: livetv or anything scheduled |
| [06:54:19] | [R]: | with what... |
| [06:54:31] | bsdfox_: | PVR250 and PVR500 |
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| [06:55:38] | [R]: | tahts weird |
| [06:55:44] | [R]: | cuz those have mpeg encoders don't they? |
| [06:55:47] | bsdfox_: | yeah |
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| [07:18:57] | justinh: | mrec: the default settings for a cable scan are with all parameters passed to the driver being auto except the frequency. if you want to set parameters yourself do a tuned scan |
| [07:19:25] | justinh: | mrec: if the driver doesn't accept 'auto' for the modulation type it should be considered 'broken' |
| [07:20:00] | justinh: | though it's possible the card can't detect the modulation type itself |
| [07:20:45] | justinh: | FYI you can get the parameters you need for a tuned scan from a dvb-utils scan program |
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| [07:24:45] | [R]: | well i finally set up my QAM tuner |
| [07:24:58] | [R]: | now all i need to do is setup shutdown and wakeup |
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| [07:37:29] | mrec: | justinh: no, the driver does not set the AUTO flag |
| [07:37:58] | mrec: | it sets CAN_QAM_256/128/64 but AUTO negotiation is not supported |
| [07:38:23] | mrec: | the DVB API specifies those flags and shall be used by the applications |
| [07:38:26] | mrec: | QAM_AUTO is not set |
| [07:39:11] | justinh: | you've been reading the DVB API & it says using QAM auto is bad huh? |
| [07:39:26] | mrec: | no, it's up to the device to support it |
| [07:39:31] | mrec: | that one doesn't support it |
| [07:39:54] | Dibblah: | Auto is optional. |
| [07:40:07] | justinh: | thought as much |
| [07:40:38] | justinh: | well, your only recourse is to do a tuned scan. or hack myth's scanner |
| [07:40:41] | Dibblah: | I'm not completely sure we're doing the right thing in regard to auto on a non- CAN_*_AUTO card. |
| [07:40:53] | justinh: | Dibblah: probably not |
| [07:41:44] | justinh: | Dibblah: I think it should be tested, but then what to do if it's not supported? try a full scan at one setting, then rinse & repeat – or present the user with a choice.. assuming the user knows... |
| [07:42:13] | mrec: | justinh: I can do some tests here if needed |
| [07:42:18] | mrec: | I'll be around for a longer time |
| [07:42:33] | mrec: | I'm using ubuntu 9.10 here right now |
| [07:42:35] | justinh: | mrec: IIRC scan parameters are set in libs/libmyth/frequencytables.cpp |
| [07:43:05] | Dibblah: | I assume you're not mrec as in the DVB dev guy? |
| [07:43:18] | mrec: | I am but busy right now.. |
| [07:43:35] | justinh: | make that libs/libmythtv/frequencytables.cpp |
| [07:43:43] | Dibblah: | Ah, Marcus. Sorry, I'd forgotten who / what :( |
| [07:44:18] | mrec: | I'm testing the userspace drivers with mythtv it doesn't seem to work anymore with the latest version |
| [07:44:38] | Dibblah: | The channel scanner was rewritten in trunk. |
| [07:44:54] | Dibblah: | There are still some sharp edges :( |
| [07:45:11] | Dibblah: | As you and justinh have noted, AUTO support is one of those. |
| [07:45:25] | mrec: | I just had a rough look at it for now |
| [07:45:27] | Dibblah: | Analog scan is the other. |
| [07:45:51] | mrec: | customers are complaining... and pushing me to publish a howto for analog tv and dvb |
| [07:45:55] | mrec: | (dvb-t/c) |
| [07:45:57] | justinh: | I've got a really weird scanning problem with one of my DVB-T tuners – full scan always seems to fail but with a tuned scan the card locks in < 1 sec :-\ |
| [07:46:00] | Dibblah: | ... And non-compliant DVB-c streams, but... ;) |
| [07:46:26] | mrec: | I heard about that from denmark |
| [07:46:34] | Dibblah: | There are already pretty extensive instructions in the wiki... |
| [07:46:39] | Dibblah: | Or the manual. |
| [07:46:40] | justinh: | which is why I started picking around in the code – so I could get a handle on it to help others in future |
| [07:46:54] | mrec: | yes the main problem is that everything just fails for them now (no analog no DVB-C due AUTO) |
| [07:47:20] | justinh: | Dibblah: no there aren't AFAIK. they just go 'now scan for channels'. no mention of increasing timeouts etc |
| [07:47:21] | mrec: | actually one customer reported he got it work but even I wonder how.. probably not with the default ubuntu mythtv version |
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| [07:48:07] | Dibblah: | DVB-c tends to be a different issue. Multiple NIT-a s describing different sets of channels, with different serviceIDs. The new channel scanner doesn't seem to cope with that yet. |
| [07:48:11] | justinh: | I think ultimately the problem would be flattened if we could get hold of up to date transponder details & use them first |
| [07:48:33] | Dibblah: | The real hardware boxes have a serviceid twiddlable. |
| [07:49:28] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind getting a definitive answer out of virgin media to see if we'd be allowed to use our own kit on the line. the current T&Cs don't mention it at all |
| [07:49:45] | Dibblah: | I phoned them – They said allowed. |
| [07:49:46] | mrec: | Dibblah: this is what someone from denmark reported yes |
| [07:49:46] | justinh: | but being an ex-NTL customer the old T&Cs might be implied |
| [07:50:25] | Dibblah: | (I specifically asked about attaching a radio for their retransmitted FM stations) |
| [07:51:00] | justinh: | Dibblah: ahh that's always been allowed – connecting an FM receiver to the diplexer on the main box |
| [07:51:13] | justinh: | but that isn't the same as the *actual* cable cable |
| [07:51:15] | Dibblah: | No – I asked about directly to the cable. |
| [07:51:24] | justinh: | yeah? heheh. cool. |
| [07:51:29] | Dibblah: | Newer boxes don't have _anything_ split out. |
| [07:51:41] | Dibblah: | They have an antenna _input_. |
| [07:51:48] | justinh: | it's pretty hard for myth to support weird stuff cable companies are doing anyway |
| [07:52:24] | justinh: | all the main devs have to go on are what they can receive themselves.. and the dvb specs |
| [07:52:27] | Dibblah: | Multiple NITa s , NITo standing in for NITa are both pretty common. |
| [07:53:28] | justinh: | if importing a channels.conf file is still fine though.... |
| [07:53:55] | justinh: | though that prolly won't help if the NIT stuff is broken on yer cable |
| [07:54:51] | justinh: | Dibblah: don't spose you asked about CAMs too? :-P |
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| [07:55:06] | Dibblah: | There are changes afoot there. |
| [07:55:16] | Dibblah: | Not discussing here. |
| [07:55:33] | justinh: | I heard they're planning to move to IPTV anyway. Here's hoping it'll be the good sort |
| [07:55:55] | Dibblah: | mrec: For the dvb-c stuff, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640 |
| [07:56:00] | Dibblah: | is the relevant ticket. |
| [07:56:59] | Dibblah: | Ha. Ha ha ha. |
| [07:57:12] | mrec: | You should probably know, that using a DVB-C card with cable in the UK is illegal |
| [07:57:17] | mrec: | I wonder why |
| [07:57:22] | Dibblah: | mrec. It's not. |
| [07:57:38] | Dibblah: | Some of the providers assume that everyone is a cable thief. |
| [07:57:47] | mrec: | a customer showed me that link a few weeks ago already yes |
| [07:58:01] | mrec: | in germany this can easily be done with windows and linux |
| [07:58:06] | Dibblah: | ... And do TDR on the lines to check for "elicit" equipment. |
| [07:58:43] | Dibblah: | Or used to. Now they just watch the cash slowly sliding in. |
| [07:59:20] | Dibblah: | However, with the CAM change, that problem should disappear. |
| [08:00:06] | Dibblah: | All of those poor dbox owners :( |
| [08:00:25] | Dibblah: | I feel so sorry for their thieving asses. |
| [08:02:38] | mrec: | hehe |
| [08:03:05] | mrec: | well DVB-C seems to be a little bit obsolete anyway.. when people have DVB-C they probably mostly have a good internet connection too |
| [08:03:21] | mrec: | so they can directly watch TV via internet |
| [08:04:18] | Dibblah: | I would like to see the legal method to do that... |
| [08:04:30] | Dibblah: | I really would :( |
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| [08:07:31] | mrec: | this API version update option is handy now |
| [08:07:33] | mrec: | -_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_ |
| [08:07:33] | mrec: | Using DVB API 4.0 |
| [08:07:42] | mrec: | 73000: sr6900 (time: 00:00) set_frontend:1690: FATAL: unsupported DVB API Version 4.0 |
| [08:08:13] | mrec: | and the next moment after switching it it's 5.0 |
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| [08:19:15] | tob: | hi, i want to move one of my recording directories to another drive but i m not sure how to do this. Is it Ok to stop the backend, delete the storage group in mythtv-setup and then move all the files to an already existing storage group? |
| [08:19:35] | tob: | would this approach break something? |
| [08:20:57] | Dibblah: | Nope. Would work fine. |
| [08:22:20] | tob: | thx |
| [08:26:06] | defaultro: | quick question folks, i'm not seeing mythvideo in my frontend. Is this normal? |
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| [08:27:21] | clever: | defaultro: has mythplugins been installed/updated? |
| [08:27:26] | defaultro: | yep |
| [08:27:34] | clever: | check the frontend logs |
| [08:28:03] | defaultro: | i only see media library, I don't see the other selections like mythvideo,mythgallery, etc |
| [08:29:06] | defaultro: | let's see, I ran make install again |
| [08:30:26] | defaultro: | i see an error in make install in mythplugins |
| [08:30:48] | defaultro: | ttvdb.py: File format not recognized |
| [08:30:55] | defaultro: | and many more py files |
| [08:31:22] | defaultro: | i see libmythvideo.so installed |
| [08:31:27] | defaultro: | i'll run it now |
| [08:35:43] | defaultro: | i still have one selection under Media Library. Only Watch Recording |
| [08:35:48] | defaultro: | i'm not sure why |
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| [08:36:27] | defaultro: | i have tons of error during make install in mythvideo |
| [08:37:02] | defaultro: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1715480 |
| [08:37:57] | Dibblah: | ... Correct prefix specified in mythplugins configure? |
| [08:39:17] | defaultro: | I didn't put anything during configure? |
| [08:39:21] | defaultro: | I didn't put anything during configure. |
| [08:43:24] | Dibblah: | Did you put anything for the main myth configure? |
| [08:44:27] | defaultro: | actually, I was wrong. I put the same param for main myth and plugin and they were the same |
| [08:44:33] | defaultro: | it's the path to qmake only |
| [08:45:45] | Dibblah: | Was mythfrontend running when you did make install? |
| [08:45:51] | defaultro: | nop |
| [08:46:10] | defaultro: | I recompiled mythplugin again. I'm still seeing the same error |
| [08:46:28] | defaultro: | ah |
| [08:46:43] | defaultro: | it's a py. looks like I don't have python |
| [08:46:57] | defaultro: | but there is also a .pl which I think is usually perl |
| [08:47:42] | defaultro: | nope, I have python |
| [08:49:05] | defaultro: | ok, I just recompiled and reinstalled. I'll try running mythfrontend again. Then I'll rest since it's 3am here :) |
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| [09:02:26] | defaultro: | no luck |
| [09:02:40] | defaultro: | it still only shows Watch Recording |
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| [10:54:13] | _ian_: | hello |
| [10:54:21] | _ian_: | hello ppl |
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| [10:54:57] | _ian_: | how to test my setup box what is the right transmitter code? |
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| [11:09:58] | justinh: | _ian_: you mean LIRC transmitter code? Probably more a question for #lirc |
| [11:10:34] | justinh: | Dibblah: btw when I said 'boxes' earlier I meant the box the cable co put on the inside wall |
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| [11:24:37] | justinh: | hmm seems we now have a surplus of 1GB Sandisk uDOC thingies |
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| [11:44:43] | rmckee: | getting corrupted double-linked list error when running mythfilldb |
| [11:45:13] | sid4windr: | cool, throw them my way ju :> |
| [11:45:20] | sid4windr: | justinh even ;) |
| [11:47:20] | rmckee: | last thing that was done on the system was updating to 22.2 |
| [11:47:41] | justinh: | yet another time machine user from the future eh |
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| [11:49:16] | ted73461: | Hi, everyone. Just upgraded from .21 to .22 and can't find where the user jobs have moved to. |
| [11:49:42] | justinh: | go back to your own timeline & get your slut bot to install mythtv for you. You *do* all have personal slut bots in the future don't you? |
| [11:49:53] | ted73461: | Yes. Three |
| [11:50:00] | justinh: | ted73461: they've not moved |
| [11:50:55] | justinh: | unless you mean you can no longer access the menu which comes up under 'watch recordings' when you press the right arrow button |
| [11:51:07] | ted73461: | Yes, that's what I mean |
| [11:51:15] | justinh: | you need the INFO menu |
| [11:51:33] | justinh: | as in, with a recording selected press INFO |
| [11:51:41] | ted73461: | "I"? |
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| [11:52:11] | justinh: | 'I' is the first letter of the word INFO, and also happens to be the default key binding for the INFO menu :) |
| [11:52:20] | ted73461: | I see. Okay. And where's the info about recording file size gone? |
| [11:52:33] | justinh: | program details |
| [11:52:38] | justinh: | bound to U by default |
| [11:52:53] | justinh: | when that pops up press MENU to see a more detailed description |
| [11:53:31] | ted73461: | Nah, that's where it used to be but now I just get some spiel about the programme itself but no file size anymore. |
| [11:53:37] | justinh: | I might get around to doing something about this MENU menu, INFO menu & U standing for programme details |
| [11:53:48] | ted73461: | Oh, hold on. I hadn't read your second bit. Hold on. |
| [11:53:49] | justinh: | ted73461: it's also theme dependent |
| [11:54:22] | ted73461: | What key is "menu" linked to? |
| [11:54:31] | justinh: | MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| [11:54:55] | ted73461: | It seems to be linked to "I" on my setup. |
| [11:55:05] | justinh: | that's a bit silly |
| [11:55:07] | ted73461: | M gets me an options menu |
| [11:55:28] | justinh: | M == MENU |
| [11:55:31] | justinh: | I == INFO |
| [11:55:35] | justinh: | those are the defaults |
| [11:55:41] | justinh: | U == DETAILS |
| [11:56:18] | clever: | I and M both bring up different menu like things |
| [11:56:19] | justinh: | as I keep saying I'm gonna do something about this. Make M == MENU, I = DETAILS effectively. No more two menu confusion :) |
| [11:56:32] | ted73461: | I seems to give men INFO on the recordings screen, but once I go to the DETAILS screen I gives me the MENU. |
| [11:56:34] | justinh: | clever: we know. it sucks |
| [11:57:14] | ted73461: | OK. Thanks. |
| [11:57:18] | justinh: | I just hope my next solution will be loved by the people who decide what goes in :) |
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| [11:57:42] | justinh: | ... if I ever get round to doing it |
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| [12:20:07] | justinh: | in this year's Christmas no. 1 single race there can only be one winner. Sony BMG |
| [12:26:54] | Dagmar: | I dunno about that. |
| [12:27:01] | Dagmar: | I hear Chris Brown's been working on his right hook |
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| [13:41:12] | justinh: | wha... broadcom crystalhd support in ecksbee-emm-see now..meaning even the lowly apple teevee is useful as a hd player. nice gravy if the driver ever makes it to open source land |
| [13:41:49] | justinh: | then again I bet you could bag an ion system for a little more than what the atv toy costs |
| [13:49:10] | justinh: | that could crystalhd support could even open the door for folks using decrepit old laptops in blingy slim quiet boxes under the telly :) |
| [13:53:27] | clever: | my c2d with vdpau works fine on for 720p output:P |
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| [13:54:01] | tzanger: | yeah I'm still upset that the 6150 doesn't have vdpau support |
| [13:54:20] | tzanger: | m2npv-vm is a great motherboard for a frontend |
| [13:55:09] | justinh: | slap in a mini pci adapter & wahey! |
| [13:55:36] | mag0o: | im still upset my mx4 4000 doesn't have vdpau support |
| [13:55:47] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:56:00] | justinh: | and me, my GF2 PCI card. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! |
| [13:56:04] | mag0o: | :) |
| [13:56:24] | mag0o: | although it does do a nice job @ 1920x1080 |
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| [13:56:33] | mag0o: | using cpu-- profile |
| [13:56:41] | justinh: | once you hit a certain threshold though, the UI would start to become a bit sluggish |
| [13:56:50] | justinh: | like 1GHz I expect |
| [13:57:40] | mag0o: | well, it wont do opengl in the ui, so qt is good there, and 720p/1080i playback is just fine or recorded or live tv with a p4 2.8 |
| [13:58:06] | justinh: | ooo no. death to qt painter |
| [13:58:17] | mag0o: | shhh, it's keeping me from buying stuff! |
| [13:58:44] | justinh: | death to the qt painter & all who sail in her |
| [13:58:52] | justinh: | s/sail/fail |
| [13:59:24] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [13:59:35] | justinh: | when's qt4.6 out? that might solve the need for umpteen painters |
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| [14:00:09] | CQ: | hello, during mythtv setup it says it can't connect to the DB? Ive tried it both with the IP and the name from /etc/hosts, and I can ping with both from teh command line... the DB is up and running, I'm connected using phpmyadmin |
| [14:00:19] | justinh: | then again I guess myth wouldn't dream of using it til it hits mainstream distros |
| [14:01:15] | justinh: | you need more than just network accessibility for the db |
| [14:01:19] | justinh: | privileges etc! |
| [14:01:30] | syncmaster4: | On the Watch Recordings screen, the Default group shows all recordings, How do I limit so it only shows those in that Rec Group? Can't seem to find the setting in setup or M menu from Watch Recordsings screen. What am I missing? |
| [14:01:32] | justinh: | oo 4.6 was out on 1 Dec |
| [14:01:55] | justinh: | syncmaster4: change group view |
| [14:02:16] | syncmaster4: | Is that from M or in the settings? |
| [14:02:28] | justinh: | MENU |
| [14:02:35] | justinh: | with a group selected |
| [14:04:25] | CQ: | justinh: looking at the logfile the problem seems to be that it ignores the hostname and keeps trying to connect to localhost... |
| [14:04:53] | CQ: | I can even connect to the DB as the mythtv user, so the connection and privs aren't the problem |
| [14:05:06] | CQ: | phpmyadmin runs where I'm installing myth |
| [14:05:37] | justinh: | is the db on the same machine? |
| [14:06:35] | justinh: | as for interpreting the logfile... just pastebin it at mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [14:06:37] | CQ: | yes and no, in a virtual machine, other services are using it fine. |
| [14:06:40] | syncmaster4: | Ok, something must be messed up. With Default group selected it states there are 24 show but when I move into the r-hand screen all programs are listed. |
| [14:06:54] | CQ: | just trying to edit the mysql.txt by hand, see if that does it |
| [14:07:33] | justinh: | FFS. VMs |
| [14:07:45] | mag0o: | heh |
| [14:08:03] | CQ: | justinh: I have plenty of other progs using it without any problem... |
| [14:08:20] | justinh: | people think they're being smart using VMs. Not for a mythtv backend they aint |
| [14:09:30] | CQ: | this is not for the backend, its just the DB, nothing more... |
| [14:09:39] | CQ: | that VM only has DBs on it. |
| [14:09:52] | CQ: | the backend and frontend will run on the same machine |
| [14:09:52] | _abbenormal: | ls |
| [14:10:17] | justinh: | IMHO there's absolutely no merit in VMing any aspect |
| [14:10:21] | mag0o: | _abbenormal@localhost:~$ |
| [14:10:38] | _abbenormal: | wrong window sorry |
| [14:10:49] | mag0o: | :) |
| [14:10:51] | justinh: | anyway mythtv-setup will prolly ask where the database lives the first time you run it |
| [14:10:55] | mag0o: | i was giving your your output :) |
| [14:11:14] | justinh: | mag0o: Virtual Mag0o ? |
| [14:11:33] | _abbenormal: | i know |
| [14:12:16] | _abbenormal: | im working on a startx issue and was switching to a terminal then hit this one and blindly typed |
| [14:15:13] | _abbenormal: | im my own worst enemy i cause most all my own issues |
| [14:15:30] | justinh: | _abbenormal: most users do ;-) |
| [14:15:46] | _abbenormal: | but im suppose to know better |
| [14:15:50] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [14:15:52] | CQ: | ok, got the connection to work... mysql.txt was root readonly, and setup was running as the user |
| [14:16:18] | CQ: | that's why it wasn't picking up teh settings when I entered then in teh setup |
| [14:16:34] | CQ: | not it's not seeing /dev/dvb/* so it can't see teh capture cards |
| [14:16:41] | CQ: | s/not/now |
| [14:17:30] | justinh: | the user mythbackend & mythtv-setup run as must have access to the cards |
| [14:17:35] | CQ: | 'Could not open /dev/dvb to probe its inputs' well... the inputs are one dir lower, but I can't input that in that mask, any suggestions? |
| [14:17:44] | justinh: | that generally means they have to be in whatever group owns the devicesd |
| [14:17:47] | CQ: | it does, kafeine runs fine |
| [14:18:00] | justinh: | mythbackend running hmm? |
| [14:18:17] | CQ: | not sure, it got stopped earlier by setup... |
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| [14:18:48] | tzanger: | mag0o: haha. the 6150 was *supposed* to be supported but it seems a last minute decision stripped its support out, or perhaps the feature never made it in to the hardware, ro it was broken. not sure |
| [14:19:36] | justinh: | CQ: lsof /dev/dvb/blah |
| [14:22:24] | CQ: | nothing open under /dev/dvb/adapter0/* and 1/* ... |
| [14:22:30] | CQ: | I restarted the backend |
| [14:23:46] | CQ: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1715704 let's solve this problem first... |
| [14:23:52] | justinh: | the backend should not be running when you run mythtv-setup |
| [14:23:56] | justinh: | it even tells you so |
| [14:24:14] | CQ: | I had it stupped, no difference |
| [14:24:48] | CQ: | stopped. what's weird is that the mythtv-setup connects to teh DB fine and gives me teh setup options, but the backend doesn't ... |
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| [14:25:16] | CQ: | o, it's stopped again |
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| [14:34:03] | CQ: | right, now I'm back to the capture card problem. I purged mythtv, celaned all configs I could find, and reinstalled from scratch, teh DB problem is solved with that. |
| [14:36:19] | CQ: | The capture card says 'Probed Info: Failed to open' and when I try to type /dev/dvb/adapter0 into the video when I have the '/' typed, it says it could not open the '/' to probe its inputs. |
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| [14:40:56] | CQ: | I can not input the /dev/dvb/adapter0 manually, but I still get the probe error, also in teh input connection menu |
| [14:48:35] | CQ: | ah, /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 works |
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| [14:55:18] | keith4: | any way to import a recording, with metadata, from someone else's myth setup? |
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| [14:57:15] | keith4: | say... if I wanted to implement "poor man's 2nd tuner" as in "a buddy of mine has a tuner that he's not using at a time when i want to record 2 shows" |
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| [14:58:15] | clever: | keith4: mytharchive can export recordings and metadata for burning to dvd |
| [14:58:26] | clever: | it might also have the matching import option |
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| [15:00:43] | CQ: | the backend still spews this out ... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1715704 ... even though setup (yes, with the backend stopped) connects to teh DB fine ... ideas? The info in .mythtv/mysql.txt is all correct... |
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| [15:04:08] | ctmjr: | does anyone know if they are planning on fixing the analog channel scan in 22 |
| [15:05:45] | Dibblah: | CQ either your username or password are wrong in the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the user that you're running the frontend as. |
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| [15:06:42] | Dibblah: | #mythtv is for development. Feature requests aren't development. If you have a patch in mind, then discuss it there, otherwise, here is the appropriate place. |
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| [15:07:46] | Dibblah: | Or, from that log, your mysql.txt does not in fact allow the mythtv user to open it. |
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| [15:08:04] | keith4: | clever: ah, good idea. thanks |
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| [15:09:11] | CQ: | Dibblah: it and the dir it's in are all readable by all ... |
| [15:09:13] | keith4: | clever: indeed, it seems to. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythArchive#To_imp . . . chive_backup |
| [15:09:43] | Dibblah: | "Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt" would tend to say otherwise. |
| [15:10:06] | Dibblah: | Are you sure the path /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt exists? |
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| [15:15:01] | CQ: | Dibblah: yep. I removed and purged everything, and it was recreated... that's why I'm suggesting specifying the full path in the logfile, so this kind of guessing gets eliminated... |
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| [15:15:16] | Dibblah: | Uhm... |
| [15:15:19] | CQ: | -rw-r--r-- 1 nils nils 1119 2009-12–15 15:30 /home/nils/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:15:23] | Dibblah: | The full path is shown. |
| [15:15:26] | Dibblah: | And it's not that. |
| [15:15:36] | Dibblah: | Please reread the error. |
| [15:15:47] | Dibblah: | And everything I've typed so far. ;) |
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| [15:15:57] | CQ: | argh. sec... |
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| [15:18:37] | keith4: | hint: "nils" != "mythtv" |
| [15:18:43] | CQ: | any clue on how the mythtv user is usually created? does setup do that, do you do it manually? I'm running ubuntu packages ... |
| [15:18:54] | keith4: | then... the ubuntu package does it |
| [15:18:58] | CQ: | keith4: once I figured out how to read I saw that too ;) |
| [15:19:44] | keith4: | the easy way is probably to just do your setup as 'mythtv' instead of 'nils' |
| [15:21:51] | CQ: | yep... |
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| [15:37:59] | Donnynewuser: | Can anyone read this? |
| [15:38:00] | squidly: | nope |
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| [15:38:00] | squidly: | but then I cant read ;) |
| [15:38:00] | Donnynewuser: | I hear that I can get some advice on this group. |
| [15:38:01] | squidly: | you cant if you dont ask |
| [15:38:01] | squidly: | ;) |
| [15:38:28] | ** squidly notes that my double negative really means you can if you ask ** | |
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| [16:03:07] | defaultro: | hey folks, good morning. What would be some reasons why only "Watch Recording" is the only choice that would display? I don't see mythvideo, mythgallery,etc. This machine is configured as a mythfrontend. |
| [16:03:07] | skd5aner: | If the plugins aren't installed, the menu items won't show up |
| [16:03:31] | oobe: | yes or the mythfrontend is updated but the plugins are still using older version |
| [16:04:19] | defaultro: | well, I looked really slowly on make install in mythplugins, it does install mythvideo and other stuff |
| [16:04:31] | defaultro: | and this is a fresh install, no .21 |
| [16:06:59] | oobe: | restart the frontend after installing the plugins? |
| [16:07:17] | defaultro: | yep, I tried many times but it's really weird |
| [16:07:39] | defaultro: | I just did it again, installed it and started mythfrontend, still not showing |
| [16:08:07] | defaultro: | check this out and maybe you can help what's going on, http://www.pastebin.ca/1715804 |
| [16:08:08] | Donnynewuser: | So what you're saying is the "2.8GHz Plentium" HDHomerun recommends is excessive for MythTV? |
| [16:08:20] | defaultro: | it's the result of "make install" |
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| [16:24:30] | defaultro: | :D |
| [16:24:31] | defaultro: | i have to find the tools though so I can increase gamma |
| [16:24:32] | defaultro: | it's a bit dark |
| [16:24:32] | mchou: | hmm? |
| [16:24:32] | mchou: | gamma of the overlay? |
| [16:24:33] | defaultro: | but desktop windows is fine. The hd recording is being displayed a bit dark |
| [16:24:33] | defaultro: | not sure |
| [16:24:33] | mchou: | ok, that's overlay gamma |
| [16:24:33] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [16:29:38] | justinh: | http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1785 |
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| [16:33:46] | Donnynewuser: | Okay, it sounds like I'm gonna have to upgrade my computer to actually watch anything. :( |
| [16:34:21] | justinh: | you could download some actual video samples & see |
| [16:34:43] | justinh: | and I don't mean the junk with TVRIP & $groupname .mkv in the filename |
| [16:38:28] | Donnynewuser: | Noted. Do you know of any sites I can download a sample from? |
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| [16:41:36] | justinh: | google knows |
| [16:41:55] | Donnynewuser: | God only knows? |
| [16:42:14] | justinh: | |
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| [16:42:48] | woercel: | hi there |
| [16:42:56] | woercel: | i'm using mythbuntu 8.10 without any updates and would like to change from mythtv 0.21 to mythtv 0.22 |
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| [16:43:00] | wagnerrp: | what is your computer? its not like it takes much even for HD mpeg2 |
| [16:43:05] | woercel: | is this possible? |
| [16:43:21] | defaultro: | could this be the culprit in my mythplugins configure? http://www.pastebin.ca/1715846 |
| [16:43:25] | justinh: | woercel: #mythbuntu |
| [16:43:44] | defaultro: | but check out the results of rpm on that same page. Am I missing a library? |
| [16:44:43] | woercel: | its not only a mythbuntu question, i would like to change from mythtv 0.21 to 0.22 but i dont know how |
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| [16:45:02] | defaultro: | woercel, just download it and it will do the upgrade for you |
| [16:45:09] | defaultro: | when you run mythtv-setup |
| [16:45:11] | wagnerrp: | that IS a mythbuntu question |
| [16:45:28] | wagnerrp: | as far as upgrading from 0.21 to 0.22, its supposed to be seamless |
| [16:45:41] | wagnerrp: | you run mythtv-setup, and it updates your database |
| [16:45:49] | defaultro: | oobe/justin, did you see my pastebin? |
| [16:46:00] | defaultro: | wagnerrp, can you please also check the output, http://www.pastebin.ca/1715846 |
| [16:46:26] | defaultro: | i'm recompiling mythtv again since I wasn't seeing the mythplugins from my earlier instal |
| [16:46:32] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple things you need to know about 0.22, all listed in the release notes |
| [16:46:41] | defaultro: | but this time, I used svn |
| [16:46:46] | wagnerrp: | the biggies are 0.22 has a new theming engine, so all the old themes no longer work |
| [16:47:00] | justinh: | not quite true |
| [16:47:03] | wagnerrp: | and mythvideo got a major rewrite, and behaves somewhat differently now |
| [16:47:34] | defaultro: | wagnerrp, but problem is, it doesn't even display mythvideo under Media Library. It only shows Watch Recording |
| [16:47:44] | defaultro: | so I only have 1 selection there |
| [16:47:54] | wagnerrp: | (talking to woercel) |
| [16:48:12] | wagnerrp: | if you havent built mythvideo, it wont show up |
| [16:48:13] | defaultro: | oh, lol, sorry |
| [16:48:27] | defaultro: | of course, I built it :) |
| [16:48:38] | wagnerrp: | if you have any version of it, it will show up |
| [16:48:39] | defaultro: | i showed the output earlier here too when I was talking to justinh |
| [16:48:53] | wagnerrp: | even if its an incompatible binary version to your mythfrontend |
| [16:48:55] | defaultro: | i mean, output of make install |
| [16:49:02] | Donnynewuser: | thanks for your help folks. cheers |
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| [16:49:04] | defaultro: | that's the problem, it's not really showing up |
| [16:49:07] | woercel: | so i download the 0.22 source? |
| [16:49:24] | defaultro: | so justinh told me to use svn instead |
| [16:49:25] | wagnerrp: | woercel: you ask the #mythbuntu people what the proper course of action is |
| [16:49:36] | wagnerrp: | they may tell you to just reinstall with 9.10 |
| [16:49:51] | defaultro: | so now, i'm wondering why mythplugins can't find the libraries that I have |
| [16:50:10] | woercel: | yeah but thats the problem, i dont want to :D cause all my other stuff will wipe :( |
| [16:50:13] | wagnerrp: | woercel: at the very least, you have to swap out qt3 for qt4, which is a very large library |
| [16:50:24] | wagnerrp: | used by a ton of crap on your system |
| [16:51:15] | wagnerrp: | use svn instead of what? |
| [16:51:24] | defaultro: | instead of tarball |
| [16:51:32] | defaultro: | from mythtv.org |
| [16:51:36] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah |
| [16:51:49] | wagnerrp: | you should use svn instead of the official source release, always |
| [16:52:01] | defaultro: | but on my .21 ,machine, I used the tarball and never had major issue upgrading to .22 |
| [16:52:15] | defaultro: | i can see everything |
| [16:52:45] | defaultro: | it's the machine that's running fedora core 6, the one I built 4 years ago |
| [16:53:01] | defaultro: | yesterday, i installed fedora 12 and mythtv |
| [16:53:25] | defaultro: | so everything was smooth, but the only issue was mythplugins weren't showing up |
| [16:53:31] | oobe: | are you using qt4 compiled |
| [16:53:36] | defaultro: | yep |
| [16:53:44] | oobe: | cause it says /usr/local/bin/qmake |
| [16:53:51] | defaultro: | yes, it's link |
| [16:54:07] | oobe: | makes me think its possible its searching in /usr/local for the other libs and apps |
| [16:54:19] | oobe: | even though there in /usr |
| [16:54:21] | defaultro: | Using Qt version 4.6.0 in /usr/local/qtsdk4/lib |
| [16:54:32] | oobe: | which taglib-config |
| [16:54:39] | wagnerrp: | woercel: no, you have to ask the #mythbuntu people, they will tell you how to proceed |
| [16:54:47] | defaultro: | , /usr/bin/taglib-config |
| [16:54:55] | defaultro: | is that correct? |
| [16:55:16] | oobe: | thats what i would expect |
| [16:55:19] | defaultro: | k |
| [16:55:25] | defaultro: | i rebooted my machine |
| [16:55:39] | defaultro: | let's see mythplugins now using configure :P |
| [16:55:49] | oobe: | point is if you have wt installed in /usr/local and all the rest in /usr ./configure might get confused |
| [16:55:51] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: Any reason for using 4.6? I ask because it's more or less completely untested under 4.6 |
| [16:56:12] | iamlindoro: | Don't know of a single developer who has tried, and there are bound to be some issues to overcome |
| [16:56:14] | defaultro: | hmm, same issue |
| [16:56:33] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, i used 4.6 on my backend machine without any issue |
| [16:56:41] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: so? |
| [16:56:50] | defaultro: | so i tried it on my newer machine since I thought it would work |
| [16:56:57] | iamlindoro: | That means it's worked for you so far, not that there aren't problems |
| [16:57:09] | defaultro: | i can remove it |
| [16:57:27] | defaultro: | we'll try this route then |
| [16:57:33] | iamlindoro: | Up to you, just know that it's not a version that has been tested or approved to work just yet |
| [16:57:50] | iamlindoro: | not saying it's the root of your issue, just that it raises a red flag |
| [16:58:07] | oobe: | defaultro, if you choose to remove 4.6 and install 4.5 instead install using prefix=/usr |
| [16:58:09] | iamlindoro: | ls /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/* to a pastebin |
| [16:58:17] | defaultro: | k |
| [16:58:37] | defaultro: | the result of that ls would be the one from that tar.gz |
| [16:58:48] | iamlindoro: | what /tar/gz? |
| [16:58:48] | defaultro: | the compile/install yesterday night |
| [16:58:54] | defaultro: | the compile/install yesterday night |
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| [16:59:06] | iamlindoro: | I am not hunting down some old tar file to get the results of a simple ls |
| [16:59:09] | defaultro: | it's just few minutes ago that I used svn |
| [16:59:18] | defaultro: | but i haven't done make since configure is complaining |
| [16:59:19] | iamlindoro: | I just want a pastebin of that dir |
| [16:59:28] | defaultro: | here it is, http://www.pastebin.ca/1715846 |
| [16:59:36] | iamlindoro: | ??? |
| [16:59:37] | defaultro: | let me grab the result of that dir |
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| [16:59:41] | iamlindoro: | That's not what I asked for |
| [17:00:22] | defaultro: | here it is, http://www.pastebin.ca/1715873 |
| [17:01:12] | iamlindoro: | So the plugin file exists, but is not initializing, which shoudl appear very early on in your frontend logs, when the frontend starts up |
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| [17:01:23] | iamlindoro: | likely mismatched library versions |
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| [17:01:40] | iamlindoro: | or possibly a symbol lookup error if your compile went all broken |
| [17:01:51] | defaultro: | i'll run mythfrontend again but I don't recall seeing any errors during start up |
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| [17:01:59] | iamlindoro: | If it's the former, it's user error, if it's the latter I'd bet it's using Qt 4.6 |
| [17:02:09] | defaultro: | yes, I saw some errors during make install |
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| [17:02:19] | defaultro: | it's like File format incompatible |
| [17:02:27] | defaultro: | on .py and .pl file |
| [17:02:29] | defaultro: | something like that |
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| [17:02:56] | defaultro: | so should I continue doing make on the svn |
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| [17:03:29] | iamlindoro: | awful tough to tell you what to do when your explanation is so... erm... horrible |
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| [17:03:59] | justinh: | I gave up on everybody today |
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| [17:04:07] | justinh: | their heart just wasn't in it |
| [17:04:14] | iamlindoro: | Me too, I give up too |
| [17:04:19] | iamlindoro: | Mostly because I have to work |
| [17:04:23] | defaultro: | oh, i wasn't aware my explanation was horrible, sorry |
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| [17:04:49] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: yes, I saw some errors during make install |
| [17:04:50] | iamlindoro: | [09:02am] defaultro: it's like File format incompatible |
| [17:04:50] | oobe: | just use the words thing and stuff more often |
| [17:04:57] | iamlindoro: | Does that seem like an awesome explanation? |
| [17:05:14] | iamlindoro: | It's hard to tell what the problem is from what the error is "like" |
| [17:05:30] | justinh: | yeah and 'thingy' isn't erm.. doing uhhh ... stuff |
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| [17:05:31] | iamlindoro: | It's like, umm, install unpossible, or... something... |
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| [17:05:49] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: on .py and .pl file |
| [17:05:50] | iamlindoro: | [09:02am] defaultro: something like that |
| [17:06:06] | defaultro: | oh, got it. We'll try better next time |
| [17:06:16] | defaultro: | sorry again |
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| [17:07:13] | justinh: | Whee Aus gets web filtering. Hopefully depriving them of mythtv.org :D |
| [17:07:45] | mzb: | grr |
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| [17:08:06] | wagnerrp: | that cant be a good sign |
| [17:08:08] | justinh: | seriously though how did you guys let it happen man? |
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| [17:09:28] | oobe: | justinh, it hasnt happened yet some ISP's are participating in a trial |
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| [17:09:45] | mzb: | fought it ... dipstick's in government did it anyway |
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| [17:09:55] | oobe: | after the trial is over the minister of broadband will most likely get fired |
| [17:10:13] | mzb: | let's hope so |
| [17:10:22] | oobe: | or if i had better contacts assassinated |
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| [17:10:29] | mzb: | hehe |
| [17:10:45] | ** mzb goes back to bed ** | |
| [17:10:51] | oobe: | they spent 40 million just to find out it wont work and there still trying |
| [17:11:09] | justinh: | oobe: our news here is saying it's a done deal in the headline. Article says not yet. Meh |
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| [17:29:24] | iamlindoro: | Oh Freenode, thy paragon of stabilitee |
| [17:31:58] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [17:32:03] | wagnerrp: | they claimed they were getting DDoS'd yesterday |
| [17:32:18] | wagnerrp: | although that may be the standard cop-out for 'its not my fault' |
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| [17:37:12] | trumee: | guys, if have a pvr 250 in my box and an mceusb2 transreceiver/remote. The PVR 250 is for analog input. Do i need to use the remote which came with the PVR 250 to change the channels via the onboard ir receiver, or simply using my standalone mceusb2 transreceiver good enough? |
| [17:37:19] | trumee: | */if/i |
| [17:37:39] | wagnerrp: | the transmitters and receiver are completely detached |
| [17:37:52] | wagnerrp: | you just send a command to the transmitter to send a signal |
| [17:38:08] | wagnerrp: | standard LIRC behavior |
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| [17:38:42] | wagnerrp: | and no, the PVR remote is not needed to change the channels on the 250 |
| [17:38:51] | wagnerrp: | IVTV does that entirely though software |
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| [17:41:43] | dspDrew_: | I can't seem to get a straight answer on wether or not the HVR 2250 works in mythtv or not |
| [17:41:51] | dspDrew_: | can anyone tell me |
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| [17:44:24] | dspDrew_: | I can't seem to get a straight answer on wether or not the HVR 2250 works in mythtv or not |
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| [17:56:40] | markl_: | iamlindoro: it is ubuntu |
| [17:56:41] | iamlindoro: | then yes, you can use the mythbuntu nightly builds |
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| [17:56:44] | iamlindoro: | instructions at mythbuntu.org |
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| [17:58:49] | markl_: | ok cool thanks |
| [17:59:04] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [17:59:45] | _abbenormal: | ive been playing with that distro so far its been ok on the frontend side |
| [18:01:14] | markl_: | i am having a problem with mythvideo not detecting dvd images – it just shows all of the raw vob files |
| [18:01:40] | markl_: | is there a setting for this? 0.21 worked perfectly with the same nfs mount |
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| [18:04:50] | defaultro: | make install looks good on mythplugins |
| [18:04:51] | defaultro: | :) |
| [18:05:03] | defaultro: | I don't see those incompatible File formats anymore |
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| [18:05:22] | dspDrew_: | I can't seem to get a straight answer on wether or not the HVR 2250 works in mythtv.. does anybody know |
| [18:05:55] | defaultro: | there should be a compatibility list listed on mythtv.org |
| [18:06:03] | dspDrew_: | yes I've seen that |
| [18:06:19] | dspDrew_: | but I still keep hearing that it doesnt work |
| [18:06:34] | dspDrew_: | or reading I should say |
| [18:07:30] | defaultro: | the only way is to try it |
| [18:07:49] | devinheitmueller: | dspDrew_: it works for digital. Analog is not supported at all under Linux (hence not under MythTV either) |
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| [18:08:26] | dspDrew_: | yeahI saw that on the site |
| [18:08:41] | devinheitmueller: | dspDrew_: Well, then your question has been answered. ;-) |
| [18:08:41] | dspDrew_: | maybe that's why I hear conflicting stories |
| [18:08:51] | dspDrew_: | well not always |
| [18:08:56] | devinheitmueller: | Most people don't know what the difference between analog and digital is. |
| [18:08:57] | dspDrew_: | not always answered |
| [18:09:10] | devinheitmueller: | dspDrew_: Do you have some additional question then? |
| [18:09:23] | dspDrew_: | only for someone using a 2250 |
| [18:09:52] | devinheitmueller: | dspDrew_: I work for KernelLabs. I am relatively confident I can probably answer your question. |
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| [18:10:54] | dspDrew_: | I just want to ask someone how there card is working |
| [18:11:14] | devinheitmueller: | Well, if that is your question then my answer could appear biased – it works well. |
| [18:11:34] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [18:11:34] | dspDrew_: | oh I didn't know you had one |
| [18:12:00] | devinheitmueller: | KernelLabs wrote the Linux driver. |
| [18:12:35] | dspDrew_: | k |
| [18:12:48] | devinheitmueller: | (hence why I could appear biased if asked how well it works) |
| [18:13:35] | dspDrew_: | actually you may have another answer for me |
| [18:13:51] | dspDrew_: | does this card let you capture on both channels at the same time |
| [18:13:55] | devinheitmueller: | Yes. |
| [18:13:55] | dspDrew_: | I read somewhere that it didnt |
| [18:14:04] | dspDrew_: | ok I was gonna say |
| [18:14:08] | devinheitmueller: | It does. You can capture two ATSC/QAM streams at the same time. |
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| [18:15:15] | dspDrew_: | before I setup my mythtv I just tried it in windows to see if I could record a few old vhs tapes I had |
| [18:15:36] | dspDrew_: | and I don't know why but the picture looked all scrambled |
| [18:15:36] | devinheitmueller: | dspDrew_: You won't be able to record VHS with the 2250 under Linux – that is analog. |
| [18:15:42] | dspDrew_: | yeah I know |
| [18:16:16] | dspDrew_: | I havent had much luck with haupauge so far |
| [18:16:16] | devinheitmueller: | Depends on how the picture is scrambled. The HVR-2250 enforces Macrovision, so if you are trying to copy commercial VHS tapes, it won't work. |
| [18:16:59] | devinheitmueller: | Their tech support is pretty good – if you have a problem under Windows you should call/email them. |
| [18:17:27] | dspDrew_: | really |
| [18:18:50] | dspDrew_: | haha I like how the software on the cd that comes with the card doesnt even work with it |
| [18:19:23] | dspDrew_: | kinda makes me wonder.. but I guess Ill try calling them |
| [18:19:34] | devinheitmueller: | Most of the time that's a result of the user's PC being screwed up or too slow. Things like "You mean I cannot watch HDTV on my Pentium III computer?" |
| [18:19:53] | dspDrew_: | oh nah they don't include the drivers for it |
| [18:20:03] | dspDrew_: | haha it's reported quite a bit on the internet |
| [18:20:50] | devinheitmueller: | Sounds like a supply chain problem. Yeah, I would call tech support. |
| [18:22:18] | dspDrew_: | what's the most common/compatible card used with mythtv |
| [18:23:07] | iamlindoro: | dspDrew_: Question is unanswerable |
| [18:23:14] | devinheitmueller: | There are so many different cards out there that are supported, I wouldn't say there is any one "most common" card. |
| [18:23:23] | iamlindoro: | cards exist for almost every television format, in every form factor, for every locale |
| [18:23:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: too broad of a question. "What color is best?" |
| [18:23:37] | dspDrew_: | hah |
| [18:23:51] | XLV: | dserban, yeah, what card? analog software mpeg2, analog hardware mpeg2, dvb-t/s/s2/c/atsc etc? |
| [18:23:54] | XLV: | card with ci? |
| [18:23:59] | XLV: | usb external? |
| [18:23:59] | iamlindoro: | PCI, PCIe, USB, USB2, firewire... |
| [18:24:02] | iamlindoro: | *murmurs* Vesa Local Bus... |
| [18:24:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Parralel port? ;-) |
| [18:24:03] | devinheitmueller: | I wrote a whole article at one point on why "which tuner is best" such an ambigious question: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1123 |
| [18:24:13] | XLV: | iamlindoro, why not agp ( those ati aiw ever worked in linux? dont remember ) |
| [18:24:21] | dspDrew_: | I just figured there may be a card that is very commonly used |
| [18:24:26] | XLV: | or nvidia tv ones? anyone remember those? |
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| [18:24:53] | iamlindoro: | dspDrew_: The point is there are lots of commonly used cards, but which depends on the purpose |
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| [18:24:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: for WHAT? ATSC Digital in the US? un-encrypted QAM? DVB Sattelite? |
| [18:24:57] | iamlindoro: | and form factor, and a half dozen other specifications |
| [18:25:01] | XLV: | dserban, hauppage pvr-150, pvr 500 |
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| [18:26:12] | dspDrew_: | yeah I remember hearing a lot about those |
| [18:26:16] | dspDrew_: | and mythtv |
| [18:26:25] | dspDrew_: | I had those at first |
| [18:26:41] | dspDrew_: | but I kept receiving broken stuff |
| [18:27:44] | dspDrew_: | the hvr 2250 I have now they sent to replace a card that never worked right |
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| [18:57:31] | trumee: | is there any program which can display xmltv files. i tried xsltv but its not great. |
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| [18:58:33] | dspDrew_: | I don't know much about cable and tv.. if I have digital cable and have a digital card then I shoudl get all my channels right? |
| [18:58:41] | dspDrew_: | without the need of the cable box |
| [18:58:49] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [18:59:00] | dspDrew_: | oh I see |
| [18:59:08] | dspDrew_: | and how do I use mythtv with my cable |
| [18:59:14] | iamlindoro: | Digital cable + Digital tuner = you can get the *unencrypted* channels |
| [18:59:26] | iamlindoro: | meaning, for most people, locals, netowrk channels, and community access |
| [18:59:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: If you're in the US, you're likely to only get the local channels in the clear. |
| [18:59:33] | iamlindoro: | ie, exactly what you would get via an antenna |
| [18:59:37] | dspDrew_: | yah ok I think I noticed that |
| [18:59:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yep. |
| [18:59:54] | dspDrew_: | um so mythtv is useless for us? |
| [18:59:56] | iamlindoro: | if you want to capture all of your channels, you will need to capture the output of a set top box from your cable company |
| [18:59:59] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [19:00:21] | iamlindoro: | so you need to use a set top box and record with an analog capture device and change channels on the box with an IR emitter |
| [19:00:43] | dspDrew_: | oh man that's gay |
| [19:00:53] | GreyFoxx: | or firewire or an hdpvr |
| [19:00:56] | iamlindoro: | you can capture in SD with a fair number of cards such as the PVR-150, PVR-500, or HVR-1600, or in SD and HD with the Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [19:01:04] | iamlindoro: | dspDrew_: that language is unacceptable |
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| [19:01:10] | dspDrew_: | pretty much makes all the functoinality of mythtv useless |
| [19:01:20] | dspDrew_: | wtf? |
| [19:01:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | troll? |
| [19:01:26] | iamlindoro: | how so? You don't lose access to any of myth's functionality |
| [19:01:30] | GreyFoxx: | the thousands upon thousands of myth users in the us disafree :) |
| [19:01:32] | tzanger: | dspDrew_: that's why I went ATSC with a decent antenna and preamp. That's *exactly* why. |
| [19:01:36] | GreyFoxx: | disagree even :) |
| [19:01:47] | dspDrew_: | how is it going to record my programs unless I change to the channel manually |
| [19:01:55] | GreyFoxx: | an IR blaster |
| [19:01:58] | iamlindoro: | "iamlindoro: so you need to use a set top box and record with an analog capture device and change channels on the box with an IR emitter" |
| [19:02:01] | GreyFoxx: | it tells the STB to change channels |
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| [19:02:23] | tzanger: | pay 60+ a month for crap overcompressed content ... bleh. |
| [19:03:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: I have been using Myth for YEARS using 3 Satellite receivers controlled by IR blasters feeding encoders on my myth box. Works quite well. |
| [19:04:01] | dspDrew_: | how is it going to get anything but the channel that I turn to on the cable box |
| [19:04:12] | defaultro: | i'm really having a hard time with the svn version :( http://www.pastebin.ca/1716036 |
| [19:04:15] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: an IR blaster |
| [19:04:19] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: it tells the STB to change channels |
| [19:04:20] | tzanger: | dspDrew_: that's exactly what it's going to do. you use an IR blaster to send channel-change commands |
| [19:04:42] | dspDrew_: | if I say I want all of one show recorded I have to sit on my couch with my remote chaning to the right channels at the right time? |
| [19:04:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Umm... How do you change the channel on your box now, telepathically? No – you send it an infared signal via the remote... An IR blaster emulates the remote. |
| [19:04:46] | defaultro: | oops, scrolling, anyways, i'm really having a hard time with the svn version :( http://www.pastebin.ca/1716036 |
| [19:04:46] | dspDrew_: | haha |
| [19:05:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: try reading the responses... We have answered every question you have posted... |
| [19:05:18] | iamlindoro: | dspDrew_: You are verging on trolling. You use an IR blaster, which is an IR emitter which instructs the box to change channels |
| [19:05:24] | dspDrew_: | if I jsut wanted to watch the tv then yeah ide sit with the remote and turn the channels |
| [19:05:42] | iamlindoro: | Myth controls the IR blaster, the Ir blaster controls the box. |
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| [19:05:57] | iamlindoro: | Hopefully seventh try is a charm here |
| [19:06:01] | dspDrew_: | oh I thought this IR blaster was the remote receiver |
| [19:06:06] | dspDrew_: | sorry |
| [19:06:07] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [19:06:09] | defaultro: | can anyone please check what's going on here, http://www.pastebin.ca/1716036 |
| [19:06:30] | dspDrew_: | and how does it tell the box to turn to 2 channels at once |
| [19:06:31] | defaultro: | glad i found this, i was able to run mythfrontend, http://raftaman.net/?p=569 |
| [19:06:35] | dspDrew_: | how isthat even possible |
| [19:06:45] | iamlindoro: | dspDrew_: It doesn't. You need a box for each analog tuner. |
| [19:06:48] | defaultro: | without that, it keeps on going back to the prompt saying Pulse audio is running |
| [19:06:54] | dspDrew_: | oh geez |
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| [19:23:16] | dspDrew_: | ok so do the linux drivers allow for analog in the other inputs? |
| [19:23:16] | tzanger: | ? |
| [19:23:17] | tzanger: | my hvr2250 has analog in |
| [19:23:17] | iamlindoro: | jblack: It has analog capture, but no support for it in linux |
| [19:23:17] | tzanger: | now mind you no support for it in linxu |
| [19:23:18] | tzanger: | what he said :-) |
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| [19:23:20] | jblack: | Ok, so effectively, no. |
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| [19:23:22] | jblack: | dspDrew_: Do you have money for this project? |
| [19:23:23] | dspDrew_: | so yeah this card will do nothig for me |
| [19:23:23] | defaultro: | hey folks, I hope there won't be another split. LOL. Did someone see my post earlier? |
| [19:23:24] | dspDrew_: | fantastic |
| [19:23:24] | jblack: | dspDrew_: Sorry. |
| [19:23:25] | jblack: | dspDrew_: The HD-5500 has s-video input and is made |
| [19:23:32] | jblack: | and is made just for linux. You can see it at pchdtv.com |
| [19:24:00] | iamlindoro: | though since all he wants is analog capture, a PVR-150 would be a much cheaper (and better for analog) option |
| [19:24:16] | iamlindoro: | ~$20 on eBayland |
| [19:24:27] | tzanger: | interesting little card |
| [19:24:29] | defaultro: | the friggin segfault on svn version is irritating me :( |
| [19:24:30] | tzanger: | I should pick up a couple |
| [19:24:31] | jblack: | That is pretty cheap. |
| [19:24:41] | jblack: | tzanger: the hd, or the pvr-150? |
| [19:24:45] | tzanger: | the hd5500 |
| [19:24:48] | tzanger: | I have an hvr2250 right now |
| [19:24:51] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: HAve you followed my steps yet? |
| [19:24:52] | tzanger: | it's also a good card :-) |
| [19:24:53] | dspDrew_: | yeah I got a pvr-500 from ebay and the thing was all smashed |
| [19:24:55] | jblack: | I have two of 'em. I love 'em |
| [19:25:02] | defaultro: | tzanger, buy hdpvr 1212, it's better :) |
| [19:25:02] | tzanger: | jblack: what's the tuner chip? |
| [19:25:05] | dspDrew_: | I sent it back to the clown that sold it to me |
| [19:25:13] | dspDrew_: | I don't trust ebay |
| [19:25:20] | jblack: | tzanger: how do I tell you? |
| [19:25:27] | jblack: | 06:01.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05) |
| [19:25:31] | tzanger: | I've bought literally hundreds of thousands of dollars (not for personal use of course) off ebay over the years |
| [19:25:31] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: ?? |
| [19:25:38] | tzanger: | jblack: hmm |
| [19:25:45] | defaultro: | what? |
| [19:25:47] | tzanger: | dmesg | grep -i tuner |
| [19:25:50] | tzanger: | I'd try that |
| [19:25:56] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: I gave you the likely steps to solve your issue, if you are going to keep complaining, it would be helpful if you followed them |
| [19:26:00] | jblack: | Oh, the system has been up far too long for that. |
| [19:26:09] | tzanger: | jblack: :-) |
| [19:26:13] | tzanger: | I'm not sure offhand |
| [19:26:18] | tzanger: | thanks though |
| [19:26:24] | defaultro: | I didn't see any response. All I saw was a network split in freenode |
| [19:26:24] | jblack: | cx88, is what I think you want |
| [19:26:29] | dspDrew_: | I bet it will cost me a fortune to get more cable boxes too |
| [19:26:32] | tzanger: | defaultro: why's the hdpvr1212 better? |
| [19:26:42] | dspDrew_: | timewarner is a ripoff |
| [19:26:43] | defaultro: | tzanger, ignore it |
| [19:26:47] | tzanger: | jblack: the cx8800 is the digital side, I'm looking for the RF side |
| [19:26:48] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: iamlindoro: defaultro: rm /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/* |
| [19:26:48] | iamlindoro: | [11:08am] iamlindoro: [11:07am] iamlindoro: then make install your plugins again |
| [19:26:49] | iamlindoro: | [11:08am] iamlindoro: [11:07am] iamlindoro: then start the frontend |
| [19:26:56] | jblack: | dspDrew_: Cable companies are always eager for new oppportunities to rape their customers. |
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| [19:27:18] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, I have a new problem. I used svn and when I run mythfrontend, it segfaults :( |
| [19:27:25] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: For the love of god |
| [19:27:26] | dspDrew_: | monopolies are always terrible like that |
| [19:27:29] | iamlindoro: | DO THE ABOVE |
| [19:27:33] | defaultro: | ok, doing it now |
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| [19:27:36] | dspDrew_: | same with at&t |
| [19:27:37] | tzanger: | jblack: are you recording .nuv files or .mpeg files? i.e. is the card giving you the raw mpeg2 data or is it giving you a framebuffer |
| [19:27:44] | defaultro: | brb |
| [19:27:47] | iamlindoro: | oh thank god, kormoc is here |
| [19:27:56] | iamlindoro: | someone who will understand when I +q the entire channel |
| [19:28:14] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: the HD-5500 has an TUNER_LG_TDVS_H06XF. |
| [19:28:40] | jblack: | tzanger: I get already encoded mpegs, which I transcode. |
| [19:28:52] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: (with an lgdt3303 demod) |
| [19:29:05] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: awesome, thank you. gonna see if I can dig up specs on the noise figure and other fun tidbits |
| [19:29:08] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, I think that could be my user problem, I didn't reinstall plugins |
| [19:29:12] | defaultro: | should be done in a few |
| [19:29:14] | tzanger: | jblack: perfect |
| [19:29:17] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: it's a pretty old design. |
| [19:29:19] | tzanger: | I think I'll pick up a few of these |
| [19:29:21] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: right |
| [19:29:30] | tzanger: | but old isn't bad in my books :-) |
| [19:29:31] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: Please do *exactly* as I instructed |
| [19:29:34] | tzanger: | at least not necessarily so |
| [19:29:37] | iamlindoro: | don't make up your own steps |
| [19:29:45] | iamlindoro: | rm that dir, then make install the plugins again |
| [19:29:49] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: well, given how ATSC demods has improved, the newer ones do tend to perform better in various signal conditions. |
| [19:29:53] | jblack: | tzanger: I'm not thrilled with the physical adapters at the end, but software wise, I've had one card crash once in 2 years. |
| [19:30:17] | defaultro: | still core dump :( |
| [19:30:18] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: (assuming the drivers aren't buggy) |
| [19:30:18] | jblack: | the cable adapters slide on and off. |
| [19:30:36] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, I did exactly what you wrote above |
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| [19:30:40] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: Then get a backtrace |
| [19:30:52] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: yes this is true |
| [19:30:54] | defaultro: | can you help me how to do that? Is it using gdb? |
| [19:31:26] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it uses gdb, and you should read the documentation-- since you're running development code, you're relied on to at least be able to get a backtrace |
| [19:31:35] | justinh: | whoah. blinkbox.com looks interesting |
| [19:31:41] | iamlindoro: | instructions for getting a backtrace are in the manual |
| [19:31:45] | defaultro: | ok |
| [19:31:47] | defaultro: | brb |
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| [19:33:49] | blz: | Is there a way to get the TVrageImport script to work in .22? Here's the project site: http://code.google.com/p/tvrageimport/ |
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| [19:47:40] | dspDrew_: | does anyone in here have time warner |
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| [19:51:23] | skd5aner: | dspDrew: I do |
| [19:51:38] | dspDrew_: | do you have any problems with that |
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| [19:51:52] | dspDrew_: | I was reading post from upset people with timewarner and mythtv |
| [19:52:24] | dspDrew_: | I would ask more detailed questions, but I will have to do a lotta reading on cable TV first |
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| [19:54:41] | skd5aner: | I do not like TWC, but I don't know if they're any better/worse than the other large content providers (i.e., comcast, etc) |
| [19:54:50] | skd5aner: | "it is what it is" |
| [19:56:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: Bottom line is that the only thing Cable providers are *required* to give you 'in the clear' is the Local HD stations (and then, I think only if your're a HD subscriber, but I might be wrong there...) |
| [19:57:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | dspDrew_: Other than that, you'll have to capture out of a cable-company-provided Set-Top Box's Analog outputs... (S-Video for Standard-def, and Component for HD) |
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| [19:57:20] | dspDrew_: | everything else they can screw arround with to twist your arm |
| [19:57:31] | dspDrew_: | nice |
| [19:58:05] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, I don't know how to read the output but here it is, http://www.pastebin.ca/1716100 |
| [19:58:12] | dspDrew_: | I wish there was business class tv like business class internet |
| [19:58:14] | skd5aner: | I can tell you I haven't heard of a content provider that is consumer-rights friendly |
| [19:58:27] | dspDrew_: | where your not forced into using their garbage devices |
| [19:58:51] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: mythbackend --version output please |
| [19:58:52] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:59:19] | defaultro: | my mythbackend is on the other machine which is .22 but from tarball |
| [19:59:47] | iamlindoro: | then mythfrontend --version is fine |
| [19:59:53] | defaultro: | k |
| [20:00:18] | iamlindoro: | BTW, you should *never* build the stable version from a tarball... |
| [20:00:49] | defaultro: | here it is, http://www.pastebin.ca/1716111 |
| [20:02:14] | defaultro: | yep, I'm going to rebuild mythtv on the other machine later. I'm just worried about the pulse audio issue |
| [20:03:20] | kormoc: | pulse audio issue? we disable pulse, so there should be no issue! |
| [20:04:06] | defaultro: | mine does, it wouldn't start |
| [20:04:17] | defaultro: | but i'm getting a different issue now |
| [20:04:22] | kormoc: | so compile in pulse audio support into myth so we can turn the junk off? |
| [20:04:32] | defaultro: | yes,I compiled pulse audio into myth and myth gave a different error message |
| [20:04:32] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: How exactly did you remove Qt 4.6? |
| [20:05:35] | defaultro: | just repointing QTDIR to the original installed by yum |
| [20:05:36] | dspDrew_: | what about the tuner output |
| [20:05:56] | defaultro: | what are you seeing on the report? |
| [20:06:03] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: I think he have a pretty broken set of libs at this point, the backtrace is unusable |
| [20:06:14] | iamlindoro: | and it's crashing somewhere in a bunch of Qt calls |
| [20:06:14] | defaultro: | oh |
| [20:06:23] | iamlindoro: | but in a thread it can't identify |
| [20:06:23] | defaultro: | i'll reinsttall fedora then |
| [20:06:23] | defaultro: | then I will never install qt 4.6 |
| [20:06:23] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, I'd say your deveopment environment is pretty broken at this point |
| [20:06:23] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [20:06:23] | defaultro: | hey, thanks for helping |
| [20:06:24] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:06:24] | defaultro: | also, i see that fedora 12 installes qt 3.3 |
| [20:06:24] | defaultro: | by default |
| [20:06:24] | defaultro: | maybe, that is causing it too |
| [20:06:25] | iamlindoro: | no, your compile woulnd't complete |
| [20:06:25] | defaultro: | k |
| [20:06:25] | iamlindoro: | if you can compile, you have qt4 |
| [20:06:25] | iamlindoro: | Both can exist on the same system |
| [20:06:25] | defaultro: | got it |
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| [20:06:27] | defaultro: | k |
| [20:06:40] | blz: | Is there a way to get the TVrageImport script to work in .22? Here's the project site: http://code.google.com/p/tvrageimport/ I'm only interested in integrating a few different shows I have on DVD into my recordings |
| [20:07:11] | kormoc: | blz: and iamlindoro's suggestion to just use the built in tools myth has won't work because? |
| [20:07:12] | blz: | along with a couple of mpeg4-format shows |
| [20:07:49] | blz: | kormoc: it'll still be in the video manager. Ideally I'd like mythvideo to contain movies only |
| [20:07:58] | blz: | I'd like to be able to browse all my tv shows in one place |
| [20:08:14] | blz: | kormoc: unless I missed the point of iamlindoro's suggestion |
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| [20:09:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | IMHO, the only thing that belongs in "Recordings" is the recordings that MythTV itself makes... |
| [20:09:16] | justinh: | I wish there was business class IRC |
| [20:09:30] | kormoc: | justinh: business class? |
| [20:09:32] | blz: | J-e-f-f-A: well i'd just like to keep all my shows in one place |
| [20:09:45] | blz: | if at all possible |
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| [20:10:15] | blz: | at the very least, can somebody point me to the technical details of how the recordings database is organized? |
| [20:10:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | blz: If you record them with Myth, they'd all be in the same place. MythVideo is where all the 'imported' files go... |
| [20:10:31] | defaultro: | i'll try one more time by doing make uninstall from qt4.6 source |
| [20:10:32] | kormoc: | blz: we document by coding, so svn.mythtv.org |
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| [20:10:51] | defaultro: | then I will recompile mythtv* again |
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| [20:11:13] | blz: | J-e-f-f-A: I realize that. that's precisely the problem |
| [20:11:25] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Can we implement a test to get in? |
| [20:11:34] | blz: | kormoc: thanks, I'll see if maybe i can fix it up myself (brace for failure) |
| [20:11:51] | iamlindoro: | justinh: 99.999999% uptime, users with a 140 IQ and better? |
| [20:12:09] | iamlindoro: | justinh: basic knowledge on the use of google, and the wiki address known by heart? |
| [20:12:45] | blz: | btw, what is mythtv written in? C? |
| [20:13:02] | iamlindoro: | C++ |
| [20:13:13] | blz: | ah okay |
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| [20:14:28] | wagnerrp: | so may netsplits, the question i asked in #mythtv is almost outside the scrollback |
| [20:14:40] | wagnerrp: | s/may/many/ |
| [20:15:17] | defaultro: | does it affect the generated binary if we change values in make like -j 2 to -j 3 or -j 4? |
| [20:15:29] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt, no |
| [20:15:32] | defaultro: | k |
| [20:15:33] | kormoc: | in theory, nope |
| [20:15:51] | wagnerrp: | it just means youre running 2/3/4 simultaneous instances of make |
| [20:15:57] | defaultro: | i tried -j 2 now since I used -j 4 earlier |
| [20:16:06] | defaultro: | let me continue on plugins |
| [20:16:18] | wagnerrp: | so unless theres something screwed up with the make file, that causes something to get compiled before something it depends on |
| [20:16:22] | wagnerrp: | there shouldnt be any issues |
| [20:16:28] | defaultro: | k |
| [20:16:45] | wagnerrp: | of course if you have limited memory, and no swap file, running very parallel may cause problems |
| [20:16:46] | justinh: | a few times I've been shocked lately that the answers to people's questions is in the top ten google results. damnit |
| [20:17:20] | wagnerrp: | i kept getting weird non-descript compiler errors on one of my machines when doing parallel make |
| [20:17:42] | wagnerrp: | and i finally realized the make was getting OOM killed |
| [20:18:31] | trumee: | is it possible to run this in linux, http://xmltvview.birtles.org.uk/epgviewer.html ? |
| [20:18:48] | defaultro: | still coredump after removing qt 4.6. I will reinstall Fedora 12 |
| [20:18:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: or the top two... seems we need to use "letmegooglethatforyou.com" more... |
| [20:19:01] | wagnerrp: | under wine maybe... why would you want to? |
| [20:19:03] | trumee: | it depends on .Net 2.0 framework. |
| [20:19:23] | trumee: | wagnerrp, i want some gui to look into my xmltv file |
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| [20:19:45] | wagnerrp: | surely theres dozens of other programs out there for that |
| [20:19:55] | blz: | kormoc: not to beat a dead horse, but it looks like I could accomplish what I wanted to with myth.rebuilddatabase ... or am I misinterpreting the purpose of that script? |
| [20:20:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp, cant find any! Closest one was xsltv, but it sucks |
| [20:20:40] | ablyss: | hi |
| [20:21:09] | wagnerrp: | http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XmltvRelatedProjects |
| [20:21:24] | justinh: | trumee: mythtv! |
| [20:21:28] | trumee: | wagnerrp, looking into it. |
| [20:21:37] | trumee: | justinh, :) |
| [20:22:35] | defaultro: | would it cause a segfault if mythbackend version is different from the mythfrontend version from a remote machine? http://pastebin.ca/1716145 |
| [20:22:40] | ablyss: | there shuold be a plugin for myth to auto detect ugly people,lol |
| [20:22:49] | ablyss: | auto skip ugly fugly |
| [20:22:51] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [20:23:11] | wagnerrp: | it would complain, 'you are trying to connect to the wrong backend protocol' and exit |
| [20:23:20] | justinh: | stop recording soap operas! |
| [20:23:30] | defaultro: | k |
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| [20:23:44] | justinh: | wow, just reading the freenode channel guidelines. Shocking |
| [20:23:52] | defaultro: | so looks like the only way right now is to really reinstall fedora to fix the bad libraries I have installed |
| [20:24:02] | justinh: | "Be nice if someone messages you. They've gone to the trouble to seek out someone with the background to help them. You're it! Be flattered they've singled you out". Sod that! |
| [20:24:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh: hahahah WHAT? |
| [20:25:03] | justinh: | "Avoid advocacy debates" |
| [20:25:07] | iamlindoro: | something.ubuntu.com? |
| [20:25:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| [20:25:12] | defaultro: | i would like to try one more time, I cannot see how to disable pulse audio in ./configure --help |
| [20:25:15] | iamlindoro: | Hahahahahahahahahaahaha |
| [20:25:30] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: You don't. You disable it on your *system* |
| [20:25:41] | defaultro: | oh |
| [20:25:43] | iamlindoro: | and forcing myth to choke down pulse is *not* a solution |
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| [20:26:09] | defaultro: | got it. I'm not familiar with pulse before. I'll disable it now |
| [20:26:10] | iamlindoro: | EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSEAUDIO doesn't mean there's experimental support, it means "Use pulse even though it won't work right" |
| [20:26:17] | defaultro: | k |
| [20:26:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | hence the word 'EXPERIMENTALLLY"... hehehehe |
| [20:27:01] | justinh: | better line me up for the freenode-otomy |
| [20:27:35] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Though experimentally implies we don't know what the outcome will be-- we do |
| [20:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ah, right. ;-) major sync issues. ;-) |
| [20:28:13] | iamlindoro: | among other nasty things |
| [20:28:56] | justinh: | you know how the emotive subject of playback startup time came up the other day? anybody fancy getting together to investigate it? |
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| [20:29:07] | whiteley: | hardware suggestions for a BE/FE box? I have a HDHomeRun, will install the OS myself, but would prefer not to have to assemble the box. |
| [20:29:21] | justinh: | even if it's just a lame straw poll of how long playback typically takes to begin |
| [20:29:48] | justinh: | whiteley: a computer running linux is a good place to start |
| [20:30:08] | iamlindoro: | justinh: daniel is interested in performance improvements in this cycle, might be good to ping him |
| [20:30:18] | iamlindoro: | justinh: And he might tell you what metrics would help |
| [20:31:02] | justinh: | nominated myself well there didn't I. Whoops |
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| [20:31:58] | whiteley: | justinh: of course. :) let me specify more requirements: fast, quiet, hdmi output, 1TB storage or more. Does anyone sell such home theatre systems (preferably without OS). |
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| [20:32:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i thought there were like 1–2% of users where pulseaudio worked with myth without issue |
| [20:32:32] | superm1: | the code in 0.22 has sync problems, the stuff in trunk should be better |
| [20:32:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: *that they noticed* (which is not to say that the issues weren't there) |
| [20:32:41] | wagnerrp: | at least every so often you get someone in here claiming that case... they could be lying out their ass |
| [20:32:49] | justinh: | whiteley: anything with 'theater' in its name spells $$$$$$ |
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| [20:33:19] | justinh: | whiteley: far far cheaper to build a noisy fugly cool box & hide it away. HDMI cables can be long. USB cables can be cheaply extended (OR use RF remote) |
| [20:33:23] | wagnerrp: | whiteley: you can put together such a system for <$300 |
| [20:33:50] | justinh: | whiteley: quiet & good looking might be pushing his luck though for that amount |
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| [20:34:19] | wagnerrp: | well depends on your definition of 'good looking' |
| [20:34:43] | wagnerrp: | i consider my boxes stuffed behind the tv and out of sight to fall under that category |
| [20:35:43] | dserban_: | I predict a netsplit in 10 minutes. |
| [20:35:57] | wagnerrp: | basically... small, quiet, powerful, inexpensive.... pick three |
| [20:38:40] | ** justinh suspects dserban_ thinks his 'experiments' are causing the netsplits ** | |
| [20:39:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: or even two... ;-) |
| [20:39:22] | wagnerrp: | nah, you can get three |
| [20:39:22] | ** dserban_ whistles ** | |
| [20:41:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: My frontends are 'medium-sized' – uATX, SFF sized systems. ;-) Fast, good looking, and somewhat quiet. ;-) |
| [20:42:04] | wagnerrp: | well you *can* pick less that three |
| [20:42:38] | wagnerrp: | by small, i mean anything standard VCR height or less |
| [20:42:44] | dserban_: | Uhh, where does that leave me? Mine's full size, not quiet, and pretty lame on the powerful side? :s |
| [20:43:00] | wagnerrp: | dserban_: hosed? |
| [20:43:05] | dserban_: | haha :P |
| [20:43:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ok, these would almost fit into that category... about the size of an older vhs recorder. ;-) |
| [20:43:36] | ablyss: | i could sworn my old pvr 150 use to create node /dev/video16 ... even seen posts where hvr 1600 creates /dev/video16.... but my machine will not make the node, and even if i make thenode myslf it does not work |
| [20:43:42] | wagnerrp: | i just hate those Shuttle-style cases |
| [20:43:48] | dserban_: | Mine's a "1.5" vcr height, the silverstone lc14b |
| [20:43:50] | justinh: | all those 'HTPC' cases the size of original top loading VHS machines.. |
| [20:44:10] | wagnerrp: | ablyss: why would you want a /dev/video16? |
| [20:44:13] | dserban_: | justinh: that's mine :P |
| [20:44:37] | wagnerrp: | the sequential starting with 0 are the only ones you should ever care about |
| [20:44:56] | ablyss: | wagnerrp: never said i wanted it, just want to know why its gone |
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| [20:45:03] | wagnerrp: | the others are direct access to framegrabber/vbi |
| [20:45:17] | wagnerrp: | should be a 24 and 32 |
| [20:45:21] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of a 16 |
| [20:45:31] | ablyss: | 16 isTS |
| [20:45:37] | ablyss: | TS |
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| [20:45:46] | dserban_: | is 32 the framegrabber? always wondered how to hook up a gaming system to the box, done some reading and decided not to :) |
| [20:45:58] | wagnerrp: | 0 is the mpeg file |
| [20:46:09] | wagnerrp: | its PS or TS depending on what you tell the driver to feed you |
| [20:46:23] | ablyss: | k |
| [20:47:07] | wagnerrp: | dserban_: dmesg should tell you what each node does |
| [20:47:14] | wagnerrp: | the driver prints it out when you load it |
| [20:47:53] | dserban_: | yeah I think it says it's YUV or something. it doesn't matter |
| [20:48:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats a framegrabber |
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| [20:48:57] | dserban_: | adding a menu item to myth, to load mplayer on that sounds like too much work when all I need to do is change the input on the tv for the wii |
| [20:49:00] | devinheitmueller: | On the HVR-1600, /dev/video32 is the framegrabber. But bear in mind that it doesn't support MMAP, so most of the apps won't work. |
| [20:49:04] | darragh: | Using Hauppauge PVR-150 card for PAL-I analogue TV, everytime it scans for channels it gets to 5% and then does nothing for hours, is there issue with this? |
| [20:49:34] | wagnerrp: | darragh: there is no analog channel scan |
| [20:50:01] | devinheitmueller: | ... and at least on the PVR-350, /dev/video16 was the MPEG *OUT* |
| [20:50:37] | ablyss: | OH |
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| [20:51:01] | wagnerrp: | hitachi 7200RPM for $130 |
| [20:51:05] | wagnerrp: | erm... 2TB |
| [20:51:23] | darragh: | wagnerrp: In the input connections ->"Scan for Channels" ? |
| [20:51:31] | wagnerrp: | although the rebate is through tigerdirect, so make that $160.... nevermind |
| [20:51:42] | wagnerrp: | darragh: there is no analog channel scan |
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| [20:51:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: If you're interested, here's the case I have for two of my frontends... (all black except for the single 'silver' strip on the front flip-down panel) http://www.censuspc.com/APEX-DM-387-MicroATX- . . . pr-9918.html |
| [20:51:57] | wagnerrp: | the scanner was completely rewritten in 0.22 |
| [20:52:02] | devinheitmueller: | darragh: Yeah, despite the "scan for channels" button sometimes being enabled, it is completely broken for analog scanning. |
| [20:52:04] | wagnerrp: | and the analog scanner has not been updated yet |
| [20:52:38] | darragh: | wagnerrp: So how do I scan for channels? |
| [20:52:42] | devinheitmueller: | The intention of the developers was to have it disabled, but I managed to get around it on accident and didn't realize it until someone said they attempted to change the code to disabled it. |
| [20:53:01] | darragh: | Or tune in a channel? |
| [20:53:12] | iamlindoro: | you don't |
| [20:53:14] | wagnerrp: | analog? do now you dont scan |
| [20:53:22] | ablyss: | sorry if i come across slow,,,,,, i sniffed way too much paint as a kid... |
| [20:53:23] | wagnerrp: | NTSC people can grab a lineup from schedulesdirect |
| [20:53:33] | wagnerrp: | PAL people, youve got to input them manually |
| [20:53:39] | wagnerrp: | luckily its just a single integer |
| [20:53:48] | darragh: | How do I manually enter them? |
| [20:53:59] | wagnerrp: | channel editor |
| [20:54:09] | darragh: | In the backend? |
| [20:54:12] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: thats very close to what we use for compute nodes at work |
| [20:54:14] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup |
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| [20:55:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It's nice, because the front flap hides the dvd, etc. So it doesn't look like a computer so much. ;-) It's really deep though, at 15.75" deep... |
| [20:56:10] | ablyss: | plus im driving w/ 1 hand and typing w/ the other |
| [20:56:24] | wagnerrp: | driving!?!? |
| [20:56:31] | wagnerrp: | please, quit |
| [20:56:36] | wagnerrp: | one or the other |
| [20:56:39] | darragh: | When configuring the xmltv in mythtv, how do you scroll down when configuring it? |
| [20:57:06] | ablyss: | k jm in watch-only mode |
| [20:58:19] | wagnerrp: | no, log off... theres nothing important enough on IRC that you have to see while youre driving |
| [20:59:17] | ablyss: | true |
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| [21:01:00] | iamlindoro: | or when you're not driving |
| [21:01:12] | iamlindoro: | or at any other time, really |
| [21:01:32] | wagnerrp: | five bucks says he was going slow in the left lane |
| [21:03:17] | justinh: | only ever IRC'd while mobile once & I was a passenger |
| [21:05:57] | iamlindoro: | bet nothing worth getting online on the road happened then, either :) |
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| [21:11:59] | justinh: | it was mostly to alleviate the boredom of my wife's cautious driving |
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| [21:15:14] | justinh: | aww RIP ITV Teletext. ROFLMAO |
| [21:15:36] | jduggan: | heh |
| [21:16:56] | justinh: | it lives on though, in 16-bit colour when XFactor is on |
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| [21:28:23] | CQ: | tod in der zeitschleife |
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| [21:47:20] | Nidhoegger: | hi, ive created a /etc/lircd.conf and irw recognizes every key on my remote. how to i teach mythtv the keys now (ive compiled it with lirc in configure)? |
| [21:48:03] | justinh: | just make sure the button definitions in ~/.mythtv/lircrc agree with those in lircd.conf |
| [21:48:06] | justinh: | easy |
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| [21:50:27] | Nidhoegger: | thanks justinh |
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| [21:51:31] | Nidhoegger: | i dont have the .mythtv/lircrc file |
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| [21:52:31] | Nidhoegger: | a found it in the compile fakeroot |
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| [21:53:12] | Nidhoegger: | hmmm and it has prog=irxevent in it, doesnt mythtv has a native lirc support? |
| [21:53:40] | clever: | it does |
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| [22:02:22] | ** programmerq yawns ** | |
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| [22:02:56] | programmerq: | it looks like the Acer Revo with the nvidia ION "LE" should meet all my requirements for a myth frontend-- including h.264 in 1080p via vdpau. |
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| [22:03:10] | darragh: | How do I scroll the the configuration when configuring XMLTV in the setup? |
| [22:03:48] | trumee: | can Jamu fetch the meta-data for regular Program-Guide rather than mythvideo |
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| [22:04:21] | trumee: | if the program guide has a movie name, can jamu fetch the full details from tmdb? |
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| [22:04:59] | iamlindoro: | trumee: no |
| [22:05:08] | iamlindoro: | and please, please don't try to modify it to do so |
| [22:05:28] | trumee: | iamlindoro, is there someway to achieve that? |
| [22:05:32] | iamlindoro: | TMDB and TVDB are under massive strain as it is without people trying to populate their guide data from it |
| [22:05:36] | iamlindoro: | NO, and please don't |
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| [22:06:18] | trumee: | iamlindoro, the EPG i have has only film name. so there is no way to populate it? |
| [22:06:33] | Led-Hed: | is there a way to change where Channel Icons are stored when downloaded? |
| [22:06:33] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Not using jamu, no |
| [22:06:36] | CQ: | if I have nils@blackbox:/home/mythtv$ ls /dev/dvb/adapter0/ |
| [22:06:38] | CQ: | demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 |
| [22:06:47] | CQ: | which of those shoud I list as a captre card? |
| [22:06:58] | trumee: | iamlindoro, any program other than jamu? |
| [22:06:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | CQ: frontend0 |
| [22:07:05] | iamlindoro: | trumee: NO |
| [22:07:06] | iamlindoro: | NO |
| [22:07:07] | iamlindoro: | NO |
| [22:07:12] | trumee: | fine! |
| [22:07:13] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Please don't make any effort to do so |
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| [22:07:26] | iamlindoro: | this would be a very easy way to destroy the data sites |
| [22:07:39] | iamlindoro: | that would be enormously unwelcome |
| [22:07:48] | Nidhoegger: | clever, how do i teach mythtv the keys? |
| [22:07:52] | Nidhoegger: | lircd is running |
| [22:07:59] | CQ: | J-e-f-f-A: ok, that's what I currently have ... but in the frontend when trying to watch tv I still get mythtv is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings |
| [22:08:07] | Nidhoegger: | but in the config menu under key config he doesnt recognise keys from remote |
| [22:08:10] | trumee: | how would that be different from jamu. |
| [22:08:19] | clever: | Nidhoegger: you have to use the mythtv lirc file to bind remote buttons to keyboard keys |
| [22:08:20] | trumee: | doesnt jamu fetch data from tmdb. |
| [22:08:31] | clever: | Nidhoegger: then the keys get bound to actions (or you just use the defaults) |
| [22:08:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | CQ: Did you shutdown your system or kill mythfrontend while watching 'live tv', or is a recording already in progress? |
| [22:09:02] | CQ: | J-e-f-f-A: no recordings no nothing, I'm trying to watch tv for the first time... kaffeine works fine |
| [22:09:02] | Nidhoegger: | clever, do you have a howto? |
| [22:09:02] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Jamu fetches data for a small number of items. Jamu will *never* be a tool for filling your EPG |
| [22:09:10] | Nidhoegger: | or sample file (nopasted?) |
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| [22:09:27] | iamlindoro: | trumee: End of discussion, please, this kind of idea is very dangerous, and it is our job to prevent people from destroying these sites |
| [22:09:36] | clever: | Nidhoegger: http://mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#LIRCRC |
| [22:09:54] | trumee: | iamlindoro, fair enough! |
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| [22:10:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nidhoegger: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lirc_stuff/dot_lircrc |
| [22:10:53] | Nidhoegger: | thanks! |
| [22:10:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nidhoegger: Will need modifying to match up with your button names, but you get the idea. |
| [22:11:23] | Nidhoegger: | yeah, i think i know now how |
| [22:11:38] | Led-Hed: | Where can you make feature requests for future releases of MythTV? |
| [22:11:40] | Nidhoegger: | are these the default keys in there? is it enough to modify the names matching my lircd.conf? |
| [22:11:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Led-Hed: IIRC, there's a page on the wiki |
| [22:12:01] | Led-Hed: | J-e-f-f-A, thanks, just found it |
| [22:12:54] | CQ: | J-e-f-f-A: Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs? ... what does that mean? I don't see what I need to do, just add any video source? I don't see where I can map that to a capture device thought |
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| [22:14:29] | Nidhoegger: | J-e-f-f-A, did you put the file down? tried wgetting it on my HTPC....but it cant connect |
| [22:14:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | don't forget the port: 8008 |
| [22:14:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nidhoegger: ^^ |
| [22:15:04] | Nidhoegger: | ah |
| [22:15:12] | Nidhoegger: | ok typed 8080 instead of 8008 :P |
| [22:15:27] | darragh: | In configuring the Input, do I select "Fetch channels from listings source" or "Scan for channels"? |
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| [22:16:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | CQ: Take a peek at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Distribut . . . stall_Guides for your distribution – you seem to have missed a step or two within mythtv-setup |
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| [22:16:44] | CQ: | J-e-f-f-A: perfect, was just looking for something like that... |
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| [22:17:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | And with that, I'm heading out for the night... ;-) |
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| [22:21:39] | Nidhoegger: | modified and copied to /home/user/.mythtv/.lircrc but no effekt (mythfrontend was restarted) |
| [22:22:07] | Nidhoegger: | user is the user that uses mythtv (lol, confusing ^^) |
| [22:22:12] | CQ: | what do I need to do if my STATUS says tuner0 is asleep and tuner1 is asleep? |
| [22:24:05] | clever: | Nidhoegger: check the mythfrontend output |
| [22:24:39] | clever: | 2009-12–15 18:24:32.654 3017902944 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/dev/lircd' eno: Connection refused (111) |
| [22:24:44] | clever: | Nidhoegger: do you see that error? |
| [22:24:56] | darragh: | This is frustrating, how do I tune in channels on hauppauge pvr-150 card? |
| [22:25:26] | Nidhoegger: | how do i check that clever? |
| [22:25:39] | clever: | Nidhoegger: watch the output of mythfrontend in the terminal |
| [22:25:52] | Nidhoegger: | ah *argh* |
| [22:26:56] | Nidhoegger: | lirdrc was in the .mythtv dir, it needs to be directly in ~/ |
| [22:27:38] | clever: | i think in .mythtv its just 'lircrc' without the . |
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| [22:28:04] | Nidhoegger: | hmm the output said it cant open /home/user/.lircrc |
| [22:28:17] | clever: | it might be checking both, or they fixed that |
| [22:28:17] | Nidhoegger: | i moved it there, it works, never change a running system :D thx! |
| [22:28:43] | Nidhoegger: | now the last thing is my TV card ^^ but ill do that somewhen else (says device is busy) |
| [22:29:02] | clever: | something is using the card |
| [22:29:21] | Nidhoegger: | but i dont know what : |
| [22:29:26] | Nidhoegger: | its my first TV card i configure |
| [22:29:31] | clever: | what device node is the card at? |
| [22:29:38] | Nidhoegger: | all the v4l stuff is in the kernel and card gets reckognized |
| [22:29:44] | clever: | /dev/video0? /dev/dvb/something? |
| [22:29:45] | Nidhoegger: | what you mean? how do i check that? |
| [22:29:48] | Nidhoegger: | mom |
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| [22:30:11] | Nidhoegger: | /dev/video0 |
| [22:30:25] | Nidhoegger: | (its an analog card with DVB-T on board) |
| [22:30:25] | clever: | sudo lsof -n /dev/video0 |
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| [22:30:54] | Nidhoegger: | mom, emerging lsof :P and no sudo, dont like that :D im not an ubuntu user *gg* |
| [22:31:02] | clever: | ah, gentoo:) |
| [22:31:08] | Nidhoegger: | :P |
| [22:31:12] | Nidhoegger: | >3 |
| [22:31:14] | Nidhoegger: | <3 |
| [22:31:15] | clever: | ive got gentoo on 2 systems right now, but i still use sudo |
| [22:31:32] | clever: | i hacked together a bootable usb stick with gentoo |
| [22:31:37] | Nidhoegger: | cool! |
| [22:31:38] | clever: | and i can remove the stick after booting |
| [22:31:48] | Nidhoegger: | thats pretty nice |
| [22:31:57] | clever: | and it now has mythtv installed, but its the wrong version |
| [22:31:58] | Nidhoegger: | but a portable gentoo...dont know ^^ |
| [22:32:05] | CQ: | what would cause the setup to exit when I select the input sources setup? I have capture cards defined, and program data coming from the broadcast (dvb) ... |
| [22:32:28] | darragh: | How do I scroll down when configuring xmltv in the backend? Mouse or keyboard does seem to scroll and have tried the MCE remote but nothing is scrolling so can't configure xmltv ? |
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| [22:32:33] | Nidhoegger: | lsof says nothing :D |
| [22:32:51] | clever: | ls -l /proc/*/fd/*|egrep --color 'video|dvb' |
| [22:33:01] | Nidhoegger: | and mythtv says all Inputs are busy |
| [22:33:09] | Nidhoegger: | cant translate the error correctly, im german |
| [22:33:22] | clever: | try the command i just typed |
| [22:33:28] | Nidhoegger: | sais nothing |
| [22:33:30] | Nidhoegger: | so not used |
| [22:33:37] | Nidhoegger: | ah mom |
| [22:33:41] | Nidhoegger: | didnt see the new one |
| [22:34:32] | Nidhoegger: | and then?`shall i nopaste it? |
| [22:34:41] | clever: | yep |
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| [22:35:19] | darragh: | Is it impossible to scroll the output to configure xmltv ? |
| [22:35:30] | Nidhoegger: | http://pastebin.ca/17163503 |
| [22:35:41] | Nidhoegger: | http://pastebin.ca/1716350 |
| [22:37:12] | clever: | pastebin wont load |
| [22:37:25] | Nidhoegger: | for me it loads perfectly? |
| [22:37:29] | Nidhoegger: | mom ill try another |
| [22:37:34] | clever: | connection to pastebin.ca.... |
| [22:37:55] | Nidhoegger: | http://dpaste.com/133867/ |
| [22:38:12] | clever: | loaded perfectly |
| [22:38:15] | Nidhoegger: | hehe ;) |
| [22:38:40] | clever: | lines 1 thru 14 are false positives, caught the video database tables by mistake |
| [22:38:59] | clever: | the rest are false positives caused by the video group |
| [22:39:14] | clever: | dont see what the problem could be |
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| [22:39:39] | Nidhoegger: | hmmmm |
| [22:39:54] | Nidhoegger: | dont know either, ill check that a later time (and check if kernel config is correct...) |
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| [22:52:36] | Nidhoegger: | if you want more informations, you may query me, so we can talk german |
| [22:52:38] | ablyss: | CQ, fetch channel from source ( xml file or schedule direct ) or scan if you have antenna, should give you a startup channel |
| [22:52:38] | CQ: | ablyss I'm in germany, the info is in the channels... I can't use teh scan though, it never selects that option... |
| [22:52:42] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: The above is not a legally downloaded file |
| [22:52:42] | Nidhoegger: | it is |
| [22:52:42] | iamlindoro: | tvoon is not a legal service |
| [22:52:42] | Nidhoegger: | its recorded off the tv and here in germany it is legal |
| [22:52:42] | iamlindoro: | not according to your filename it isn't |
| [22:52:43] | Nidhoegger: | its from www.onlinetvrecorder.com |
| [22:52:43] | iamlindoro: | which is illegal content |
| [22:52:43] | Nidhoegger: | and its legal in germany |
| [22:52:45] | Nidhoegger: | no it isnt |
| [22:52:47] | Nidhoegger: | its legal content, lets better say, not legal, not illegal |
| [22:52:47] | Nidhoegger: | its not well defined by the law |
| [22:52:47] | ablyss: | CQ, i believe u need a valid startup channel |
| [22:52:47] | iamlindoro: | let's better say, stop asking or talking about it |
| [22:52:47] | Nidhoegger: | but as long as they dont sell the service, its a greyzone |
| [22:52:47] | Dagmar: | Possibly yours, not everyoen elses |
| [22:52:47] | iamlindoro: | no,. it's not |
| [22:52:47] | iamlindoro: | one and only warning |
| [22:52:47] | Dagmar: | I'm looking at the site now and freaking Ghost Rider has YET to pass into the public domain |
| [22:52:47] | defaultr0: | ok, i got f12 running now and I think i have installed all the needed libraries. However, is there a list of libraries I can look at? I can't find it on the website |
| [22:52:48] | defaultr0: | i did find the one for mythmusic and gallery |
| [22:52:48] | Nidhoegger: | Dagmar, sorry, i dont understand your sentence...im german |
| [22:52:48] | Nidhoegger: | Ghost Rider was on TV btw... |
| [22:52:48] | Nidhoegger: | last week or so |
| [22:52:48] | Nidhoegger: | and ive recorded it |
| [22:52:48] | CQ: | ablyss: I can't scan for channels... on the capture card setup it says that it can't probe ... does that matter? I manually gave it /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [22:52:48] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: Stop asking about that content, which is not legally obtained according to the rules of this channel, or you will no longer be welcome here |
| [22:52:51] | Nidhoegger: | mkay |
| [22:53:13] | ablyss: | CQ, thats a hvr 1600 right? |
| [22:53:33] | CQ: | hauppauge wintv nova TD USB stick with 2 tuners |
| [22:53:45] | Nidhoegger: | okay, back to the question, how can i obtain informations (like Description) for my video files, which are in the library? |
| [22:54:26] | ablyss: | CQ, okay |
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| [22:55:14] | CQ: | ablyss: like I said before, kaffeine has no problems with it at all, I just can't seem to get myth to like the capture cards or something ... in the tv setup in teh frontend it says both tuners are asleep |
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| [22:56:32] | iamlindoro: | You know, if I hadn't been to Germany numerous times, I'd think it was bloody Thunderdome from the ideas of legality of the people in this channel |
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| [22:56:45] | iamlindoro: | A blasted hellscape where verything is legal |
| [22:56:56] | ablyss: | CQ, okay.. should be fine i think, but the scan part is critical you need to scan for channels |
| [22:56:57] | iamlindoro: | er everything |
| [22:57:19] | iamlindoro: | Never mind legality, how about "personal morality?" |
| [22:57:46] | CQ: | ablyss: where, in the channel editor? It won't let me select the scan |
| [22:57:58] | ablyss: | CQ can you post a screenshot to me |
| [22:58:41] | Nidhoegger: | iamlindoro, do you speek german? if yes, my i querry you? |
| [22:58:46] | ** gbee supposes that those who think it's alright to steal won't mind if I come around their houses and nick their TVs ** | |
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| [22:59:31] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: I speak broken German, but would prefer you didn't |
| [23:00:02] | CQ: | gbee: what's considered stealing in one country is considered fair use in another... different laws... |
| [23:00:31] | Nidhoegger: | i could show you a text from the Bundesgerichtshof i just found...but never mind. my question is meant for video files, i obtained legally (no matter from where, i just have them, i wont lose any other word about OTR)... |
| [23:01:09] | iamlindoro: | CQ: Presumably most civilized countries, regardless of the greyness of their laws, still prefer that their citizens not steal from one another |
| [23:01:15] | gbee: | CQ: not really, fair use in no country in the world allows what we're talking about |
| [23:01:35] | gbee: | copyright laws were harmonised internationally decades ago |
| [23:01:50] | Nidhoegger: | iamlindoro, is it legal to put a VCR or DVD Recorder in my room and record all day TV? |
| [23:01:50] | CQ: | then I must have missed something, I thought we were talking about recording a program for personal use and later viewing ... |
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| [23:02:10] | Nidhoegger: | CQ, thats OTR, its just an online VCR |
| [23:02:41] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: Depends on the locale-- but it's not legal *anywhere* to make copies of that tape available to everyone and anyone |
| [23:02:46] | Nidhoegger: | and its free of charge, its AES encrypted with personal keys and its like asking you to record me, whatever, like ghost rider when its on tv and give it to me |
| [23:02:51] | Nidhoegger: | i dont copy it |
| [23:02:53] | iamlindoro: | online VCR my ass |
| [23:03:08] | Nidhoegger: | and i can only decrypt it if i told OTR "hey guys, plz record that for me and ME only!" |
| [23:03:15] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: what you describe is STEALING |
| [23:03:21] | iamlindoro: | "asking you to record me, whatever, like ghost rider when its on tv and give it to me" |
| [23:03:23] | Nidhoegger: | then i get a encrypted file, which i can only decrypt when i told them to record |
| [23:03:24] | gbee: | fair use allows you to make a copy of something you own for private use, not for distribution or even for showing to a large group of people |
| [23:03:24] | iamlindoro: | *illegal* |
| [23:03:27] | iamlindoro: | *stealing* |
| [23:03:31] | Nidhoegger: | no its not illegal |
| [23:03:48] | Nidhoegger: | its in our law defined, that i even can give it to seven people "i know very well" |
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| [23:03:58] | iamlindoro: | Ya know... |
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| [23:04:01] | Nidhoegger: | what ive recorded |
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| [23:04:13] | iamlindoro: | Is there a rule that I have to be as tolerant as all the other ops? |
| [23:04:21] | Nidhoegger: | i can even remove DRM shit from mp3s with programs like tunebite and its legal due to our "analog copy" law |
| [23:04:23] | iamlindoro: | Nidhoegger: It's against the rules of *this channel* |
| [23:04:24] | gbee: | heh |
| [23:04:35] | Nidhoegger: | yeah i got that iamlindoro |
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| [23:04:42] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [23:04:44] | Nidhoegger: | i didnt start that discussion again |
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| [23:04:54] | Nidhoegger: | i just want to solve my problem, no matter from where i get the stuff |
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| [23:07:00] | iamlindoro: | There. Hope that worked right. |
| [23:07:05] | iamlindoro: | blissfully quiet so far. |
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| [23:08:16] | ** ablyss is sitting in his home.. no where near the steering wheel ** | |
| [23:08:33] | CQ: | nice. telling him something is stealing and illegal, and then kicking him for explaining why it's not according to his laws. To each his own, I guess... |
| [23:08:55] | ablyss: | sry bout that earlier Boss, good we got peeps who care make us think around here |
| [23:09:18] | iamlindoro: | CQ: I had a conversation with him 10 minutes ago explaining that such discussion was against *this channel's* rules |
| [23:09:21] | iamlindoro: | I also didn't kick him |
| [23:09:25] | iamlindoro: | I quieted him |
| [23:09:38] | iamlindoro: | So when he persisted, yes, I removed his ability to violate channel rules |
| [23:09:57] | iamlindoro: | I could not care less what you guys decide to justify as legal in your home country-- it's not okay *here* |
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| [23:23:53] | CQ: | ablyss: nothing |
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| [23:23:53] | CQ: | [140617.532209] DVB: registering new adapter (Hauppauge Nova-TD Stick/Elgato Eye-TV Diversity) |
| [23:23:53] | CQ: | [140617.791470] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (DiBcom 7000PC)... |
| [23:23:54] | CQ: | that does show up in dmesg though |
| [23:23:54] | ablyss: | hrm, how about dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| [23:24:11] | CQ: | paste 4 lines here or pastebin? |
| [23:24:21] | gbee: | but officer! In my own personal kingdom it's legal to smoke weed and drink vodka whilst driving the wrong way down a one way street! However I plead guilty to the high crime of listening to Britney Spears ... |
| [23:24:22] | ablyss: | privmsg me |
| [23:24:36] | CQ: | essentially, it found it, downloaded it and started it successfully [140617.030757] dib0700: firmware started successfully. |
| [23:24:38] | ablyss: | or pastebin i dont care |
| [23:25:36] | ablyss: | well fiddle me diddle.. you got yourself a good'n |
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| [23:27:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro: so based on your personal recommendation I gave Glee a try, but perhaps because of my own personal prejudice I didn't get past the 15 minute mark :/ |
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| [23:29:07] | CQ: | hm. might have found something, mythtv user was not in mythtv group ... |
| [23:31:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Ah well, I still like it :) |
| [23:31:19] | CQ: | argh, found the problem. Had the card type set to v4l and not DVB DTV ... |
| [23:31:30] | CQ: | scanning for channels now. |
| [23:32:17] | iamlindoro: | gbee, But I totally understand how it might not be for everyone-- I find it very funny and occasionally touching but can see how it would be hard to get past certain aspects if it wasn't your "thing" |
| [23:34:27] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I don't really 'get' American high school dynamics, so that doesn't help, and I don't really like the 'I'm going to be a star' types ... so it was always going to be an uphill battle :) |
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| [23:35:04] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Heh, that particular character is actually sort of a joke for that all season long (with most of the other characters telling her off for it once a show) |
| [23:36:43] | gbee: | the irony is that I was in the school choirs (and a Cathedral choir), so singing isn't exactly alien to me ... but the characters and performance aspect ... |
| [23:38:13] | iamlindoro: | heh, well to each his own |
| [23:39:01] | dserban_: | I PREDICT NETSPLIT! |
| [23:39:48] | ** dserban_ goes back to being quiet ** | |
| [23:41:49] | CQ: | can someone have a look here please? I have the backend setup and channel scan done, but I don't see anything on teh frontend... it waits a little and then jumps back to the menu http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1716420 |
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| [23:45:53] | CQ: | added some more info to the paste from the backend log |
| [23:45:55] | CQ: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1716424 |
| [23:46:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro: xmas tv is looking dire and I've not deleted it yet, so there is always a chance I'll revisit it, at least until they start singing again ... |
| [23:47:05] | iamlindoro: | haha |
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| [23:47:32] | iamlindoro: | well, I won't try to sell you on it-- GF and I enjoy it a lot, and at least it's not reality TV |
| [23:47:46] | iamlindoro: | otherwise totally understandable if it's not something you enjoy |
| [23:50:44] | CQ: | is it possible to use teh mouse at all with mythtv? |
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| [23:58:21] | Dagmar: | Not really, no |
| [23:59:38] | wilberfan: | anyone up for some lirc diagnosing? |
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