| Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 00:03 UTC | ||
| [00:03:22] | BackLash|TheFly: | narp not yet about to try that modprobe |
| [00:03:29] | BackLash|TheFly: | but shouldnt it already load the module |
| [00:03:30] | BackLash|TheFly: | 0_o |
| [00:03:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: It may not have detected/initialized the card/tuner type properly. |
| [00:06:59] | BackLash|TheFly: | tv tuners combine my 2 least favorite configuratios of linux |
| [00:07:02] | BackLash|TheFly: | video AND audio |
| [00:07:04] | BackLash|TheFly: | -.- |
| [00:08:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: I haven't had many issues in that regard – always used well-supported tuner cards. ;-) |
| [00:08:49] | BackLash|TheFly: | ah well this was one we were lucky enough to have laying around |
| [00:09:08] | FreakWent: | P4 2.4 Ghz, Nvidia ... somethign alright, AGP 128Mb, dvb-t fusion dual tuner pci card. |
| [00:09:37] | BackLash|TheFly: | mm i want a dual tuner but im not sure how that would work with a cable box (or even at all) |
| [00:10:07] | BackLash|TheFly: | as far as i can tell the tuner card is only ever gonna see whats loaded on the box |
| [00:10:25] | FreakWent: | tuner is this |
| [00:10:28] | FreakWent: | http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/DVBTdual4.aspx |
| [00:11:10] | FreakWent: | wagnerrp is that enough information? |
| [00:11:47] | wagnerrp: | your hardware is insufficient, its nothing to do with mythtv |
| [00:12:08] | high-rez: | hdhomerun is my favorite device for terrestrial |
| [00:12:27] | wagnerrp: | you can manage standard definition DVB-T recordings with that processor |
| [00:12:42] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to get HD mpeg2 working if you can get XvMC working |
| [00:12:56] | wagnerrp: | you will not get any h264 content working on that system |
| [00:13:01] | wagnerrp: | you simply dont have the power for it |
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| [00:14:01] | BackLash|TheFly: | J-e-f-f-A, look http://www.pastebin.ca/1712686 |
| [00:14:09] | BackLash|TheFly: | thats my modprobe |
| [00:15:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: Looks like it's got 'blackbird' properly – question is what the audio portion should look like. I don't have the same tuner, but had been googling away looking for clues for you... |
| [00:15:24] | high-rez: | try posting your dmesg |
| [00:15:26] | FreakWent: | wagnerrp can you please explain what it is that's the problem? VLC can watch it and record it to disk just fine on that system, what's mythtv doing that makes it so harD? |
| [00:15:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: I'm afraid I don't know what it *should* look like for that tuner. |
| [00:15:50] | BackLash|TheFly: | my dmesg eesh.. time to remember another random pastebin number |
| [00:15:55] | beatbreaker: | i keep getting this error: MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error |
| [00:15:57] | BackLash|TheFly: | (the systems in another room) |
| [00:16:11] | beatbreaker: | when trying to get the frontend to talk to the backend |
| [00:16:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: SSH? |
| [00:16:29] | BackLash|TheFly: | huh... good point |
| [00:16:31] | BackLash|TheFly: | lol |
| [00:18:13] | beatbreaker: | i had this all set up and working before the update and now the update has ruined my install |
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| [00:18:45] | rigel: | i was wondering if the onboard video on this machine would be adequate for a mythtv box |
| [00:18:49] | rigel: | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TS-0009E-AMDP901-R |
| [00:19:06] | BackLash|TheFly: | hell for that matter i think ill throw VNC on the box for good measure |
| [00:19:08] | rigel: | or should i spend an extra $50 and get a better video card |
| [00:19:48] | FreakWent: | "Building a MythTV system on older / "spare" hardware may be an exercise in frustration and can waste many hours of valuable time." |
| [00:19:50] | FreakWent: | dammit |
| [00:19:52] | high-rez: | There's no information on there about what type of video card it is. |
| [00:20:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | rigel: Yeah, no info about the video card. But you could probably drop in an Nvidia PCIe card, then you'd be all set. |
| [00:20:47] | beatbreaker: | i keep getting this error: MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error |
| [00:20:53] | beatbreaker: | when trying to get the frontend to talk to the backend |
| [00:21:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | beatbreaker: now many times are you going to repeat yourself in 2 minutes? If somebody knows the answer, they'll reply. |
| [00:21:32] | BackLash|TheFly: | lol, sorry front end backend talk is challenging my maturity :D |
| [00:21:40] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A, you mentioned earlier that you'd made a few changes to the layout of mythlcd ... any pics/description? |
| [00:21:47] | mzb: | (always looking to improve;)) |
| [00:22:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb Yeah, I think I took a pic months ago when I did it... I don't think I ever 'ported' my changes to 0.22 though – let me check... |
| [00:22:22] | beatbreaker: | BackLash|TheFly, i'm sorry my english is not so good, linux is difficult for non english speaker |
| [00:22:40] | beatbreaker: | its very hard to get help |
| [00:22:57] | FreakWent: | With DVB, what's happening under the bonnet? Is the system decoding the video then re-encoding in a differnet format? Why can't it just spool to disk int he digital format it's broadcast in, MPEG-2? How can I set compromises in video quality or other areas so the thing will just work? Can I disable the liveTV pause/rewind functions and just do scheduled recordings and watch a channel with no instant buffer? So many q |
| [00:22:58] | FreakWent: | uestions... |
| [00:23:18] | beatbreaker: | maybe there is much ignorant people i don't know |
| [00:23:20] | BackLash|TheFly: | oh no you didnt do anything wrong i was just laughing at frontend and backend because they sound dirty. "I want my frontend to talk to her backend" "thats what she said" stuff like that |
| [00:23:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/ |
| [00:24:20] | high-rez: | FreakWent: Myth doesn't transcode video unless you tell it to. It stores in the original format. |
| [00:24:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: DVB gets sent straight to disk as-is. Your system will be capable of being a backend, but would struggle, or not work well at all as a frontend, especially if the files are not MPEG2. |
| [00:25:18] | FreakWent: | I'm a little confused about *why*, what's happening that needs so much CPU. DVD's are fine, movies from disk are fine, *only* watching tV ius no good. |
| [00:25:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: So, added "R E C" to the left side of the bigclock, and changed how the recording screen looks to better suit a 20x4 display. |
| [00:25:33] | BackLash|TheFly: | OH yes right my dmesg |
| [00:25:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: Ok, Watching TV in Myth Dumps to disk 1st, then plays back from disk. |
| [00:26:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: Watching with VLC does not dump to disk first, just decodes and displays in memory. |
| [00:26:08] | high-rez: | FreakWent: Its very simple, HD dvb has a higher bit rate than DVD. The format can also be different (h264 vs mpeg2). |
| [00:26:14] | FreakWent: | can this be adjusted so that watching TV is jsut watching TV, without the buffering? |
| [00:26:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: Everything in MythTV is recorded – even LiveTV. |
| [00:26:31] | FreakWent: | So perhaps I'll have more luck with std def channels? |
| [00:27:04] | high-rez: | jeff: Actually I think the frontend gets it from the ring buffer at the same time that it's written to disk, so disk IO shouldn't block watching livetv. |
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| [00:27:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: If they're MPEG2, yeah. |
| [00:27:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | high-rez: I don't think there's a ringbuffer anymore, is there? |
| [00:27:46] | FreakWent: | If I used a " AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+" would you expect the problem to vanish? |
| [00:27:46] | high-rez: | jeff: I don't know, I could just be talking without a clue ;) |
| [00:28:16] | Dibblah: | Ah. You're here already :) |
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| [00:28:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: I would think so. And an Nvidia 8000/9000+ card wouldn't hurt either. ;-) |
| [00:29:01] | BackLash|TheFly: | http://pastebin.ca/1712692 |
| [00:29:06] | moodboom: | hey all, anybody know of a way to scan for new music/videos in the background in a cron job? |
| [00:29:07] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A, I've added date to the big clock ... looking for something else (of interest) to put on left |
| [00:29:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: If your recordings are MPEG4 or h.264, you'll either need a really beefy cpu to decode HD, or use a VDPAU-capable NVidia card. |
| [00:30:42] | ** high-rez does HD h264 on an intel atom :) ** | |
| [00:30:50] | FreakWent: | thanks guys! |
| [00:30:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Since I use it on my Backend, I wanted to see if anything was recording, even if the 'bigclock' was being shown. If we could define custom characters, I'd do something like inverse "1" "2" "3" "4", etc, one for each tuner to indicate recording, etc. |
| [00:31:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | high-rez: With an ION chipset I'm sure, you cheater! ;-) |
| [00:31:19] | high-rez: | Of course ;) |
| [00:31:22] | BackLash|TheFly: | hmmmm interesting the board doesnt appear to think it has firmware |
| [00:31:27] | high-rez: | I love my ionitx |
| [00:31:43] | BackLash|TheFly: | how can the board not have firmware roar |
| [00:32:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: Ah... "dmesg |grep firmware" showing failure(s)??? ;-) |
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| [00:32:36] | FreakWent: | GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM) any good? |
| [00:32:41] | high-rez: | no |
| [00:32:52] | high-rez: | avoid 6000 and 7000 series |
| [00:33:11] | high-rez: | I don't believe they support XvMC or VDPAU. |
| [00:33:16] | FreakWent: | dammit more cash. |
| [00:33:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: Go for an 8400 or better, preferrably a 9000-series card for VDPAU capability. |
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| [00:33:34] | high-rez: | 5000 series does mpeg2 via XvMC well. |
| [00:33:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | FreakWent: You can find 8400's and 8600's for around $20/$30 here in the US... |
| [00:33:59] | high-rez: | Heh, I have a couple of 9400's just laying around gathering dust. |
| [00:34:02] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A, custom char idea would be ok (even if at lcdproc level) ... except that I've not got any spare chars left ;) |
| [00:34:24] | FreakWent: | lol chaep! |
| [00:34:27] | FreakWent: | ASUS 9400GT 512M PCIe Video Card $59 |
| [00:34:35] | FreakWent: | high-rez gonna post me one? |
| [00:34:40] | high-rez: | No chance |
| [00:34:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Yeah... true... But a nice tuner-status page would be wicked cool with custom characters... |
| [00:34:44] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . t_result.jpg |
| [00:34:52] | BackLash|TheFly: | lol ive got a x300SE in mine |
| [00:34:56] | BackLash|TheFly: | >_< |
| [00:34:59] | mzb: | ah, a separate screen? ... that's another matter ;) |
| [00:35:05] | FreakWent: | Go ahn... I'll swap you for a Tseng ET4000, they are the business! |
| [00:35:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Very nice. You've got room for "R E C" on the left side... ;-) |
| [00:36:01] | ** high-rez kicks jeff ** | |
| [00:36:07] | BackLash|TheFly: | so the next question is .. why dont i have firmware |
| [00:36:34] | Greek-Boy: | anyone here ever experience a problem where avi files don't play off MythVideo? If I press the "right --->" key on the keyboard it shows fast forwarding through the video but it doesn't play :-( |
| [00:36:47] | Greek-Boy: | HD MKV's play just fine |
| [00:37:03] | mzb: | hmm, perhaps room for "REC" ;) ... not sure how useful that is, though |
| [00:37:54] | mzb: | BackLash|TheFly, probably depends on your distro/sources/packaging/kernel/etc |
| [00:39:59] | BackLash|TheFly: | im reading the mythwiki :O |
| [00:40:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: google for the file that it says it's trying to load, then download it and put it in /lib/firmware (or /lib64/firmware if running 64-bit), and try again... |
| [00:41:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | BackLash|TheFly: It should then give you a 'firmware successfully loaded' message instead of an error. ;-) (I don't recall if you can just get away with a modprobe or ahve to reboot at that point... hehehehe) |
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| [00:42:03] | BackLash|TheFly: | i aparantly need to install firmware |
| [00:42:12] | BackLash|TheFly: | so sayith the mythwiki |
| [00:42:26] | BackLash|TheFly: | x_x i hate youo conexant |
| [00:42:40] | mzb: | eg: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
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| [00:43:31] | mzb: | or even $ wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz |
| [00:43:48] | mzb: | oops, not found ;) |
| [00:43:55] | BackLash|TheFly: | :/ |
| [00:44:35] | mzb: | http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/ |
| [00:44:54] | BackLash|TheFly: | why would you make a card that needs firmware loaded every time the card.. havnt these people heard of flash |
| [00:45:28] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A, oh, I SEE => "R\nE\nC" |
| [00:46:33] | mzb: | might do air-temp and rainfall instead ;) |
| [00:47:55] | mzb: | hmm @ "solid horizontal bar capability" |
| [00:47:59] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [00:48:15] | mzb: | ah well, can't see it from here ;) |
| [00:48:27] | mzb: | (the gaps, that is) |
| [00:49:14] | mzb: | reminds me I've got to make myself a "normal" rain guage to calibrate the tipper ;) |
| [00:49:41] | mzb: | "about" 0.09mm needs improvement ;) |
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| [00:53:08] | hpbox: | anyone have the haugepauge 2250 ? I'm not sure if I'm getting all of the channels or not |
| [00:54:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: yeah... Did you look at my pics? ;-) |
| [00:55:20] | mzb: | yes ... forgot I'd seen them before |
| [00:55:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Yeah, that's a CrystalFontz display – no vertical bars between characters, so it can do 'solid' horizontal bars. A little bit odd, but cool. |
| [00:55:59] | mzb: | hmm |
| [00:56:12] | mzb: | still not reverse blue ;) (my fav) |
| [00:56:17] | mzb: | ah well |
| [00:56:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: The same reason I can do this: http://localhost/files/CF634_boot.jpg |
| [00:56:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops, make that: |
| [00:56:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634_boot.jpg |
| [00:56:45] | mzb: | hehe |
| [00:57:05] | mzb: | ah |
| [00:57:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | With no vertical bars, the custom characters can be 6 pixels wide, thus touching each-other. Pretty cool, eh? |
| [00:57:55] | mzb: | definitely |
| [00:58:23] | mzb: | I'd have tried harder with mine, but I started have problems with my (hack of a) serial programmer ... so I stopped before I blew everything up ;) |
| [00:58:59] | mzb: | ie: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . b_splash.jpg |
| [00:59:30] | mzb: | would have like to see some movement in it ... even some smooth scrolling |
| [00:59:38] | mzb: | s/liked |
| [00:59:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Yeah, that's pretty cool for a HD44780 display. ;-) About all you can do with only 8 custom characters... |
| [01:00:07] | mzb: | looks a bit like crazy writing from a difference, but it works |
| [01:00:50] | mzb: | s/distance |
| [01:01:04] | mzb: | hmm, caffeine withdrawal? :) |
| [01:01:10] | wagnerrp: | FreakWent: its got nothing to do with the recording necessary of a DVR (unless youre using a PAL framegrabber) |
| [01:01:16] | mzb: | almost time to feed #2 |
| [01:01:52] | wagnerrp: | the issue is one of bitrate, that processor is probably only going to manage maybe 12mbps mpeg2 on its own |
| [01:02:09] | wagnerrp: | now thats certainly enough for standard definition DVDs and DVB recordings |
| [01:02:38] | wagnerrp: | but when you get up to HD bitrates, and even worse with interlaced content, the chip just wont do it on its own |
| [01:02:42] | ** BackLash|TheFly writes hatemail to conexant ** | |
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| [01:13:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | WT***?!? Dang it – I was working on one of my frontends via SSH (updating to 0.22-fixes), and my wife turned it off... dumbarse.... ugh |
| [01:14:09] | wagnerrp: | you have a big thumb? |
| [01:15:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | The thing is – I *TOLD* her that I was going to be updating it, and not to try to use it... but she decided to schedule a program, and didn't see the frontend, so figured she'd reboot it... ugh... |
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| [01:17:29] | wagnerrp: | i presume she hit the power button? |
| [01:18:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, so my ssh session got a prompt "The system is going down for system halt NOW!" .... Ugh... At least it shut down clean... |
| [01:18:59] | wagnerrp: | write a wrapper script that check to make sure no one else is using it |
| [01:19:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | I should have changed the desktop wallpaper to "DON'T TOUCH THIS COMPUTER!!!" ;-) |
| [01:19:14] | wagnerrp: | if theres more than the single mythtv user, do nothing |
| [01:19:23] | wagnerrp: | or run a 60s shutdown timer instead |
| [01:19:30] | wagnerrp: | something the logged in user can terminate |
| [01:19:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Normally it wouldn't be an issue... but I guess she didn't think that I'd be updating it remotely from the basment... |
| [01:19:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'basement' even... ;-) |
| [01:20:16] | wagnerrp: | its less of a problem for me, considering the frontend is in the basement |
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| [01:21:00] | _charly_: | maybe you should write a big "do not turn off" on the screen next time |
| [01:21:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | _charly_: Hehe... Yeah, I already said that... Next time, I'll tape a note to the front of the computer saying "don't touch – updating!!!" |
| [01:22:21] | wagnerrp: | you could also just not run updates on that machine |
| [01:22:43] | wagnerrp: | i make changes on my boot server, and push them out to the frontends |
| [01:23:15] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive recently played with booting from a tmpfs |
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| [01:23:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: its bloody fast and lets me easily update the source without harming things that are already running |
| [01:24:17] | wagnerrp: | nothing temporary about it |
| [01:24:29] | wagnerrp: | i just have a base image for those machines |
| [01:24:33] | wagnerrp: | that i keep maintained |
| [01:24:41] | clever: | i supose i could even do it over the network, id just need a staticly linked tftp client |
| [01:25:00] | wagnerrp: | and to update the other ones, i make a duplicate of the image, copy a set of files on top of it, and boot |
| [01:25:17] | clever: | my initrd will unpack a .tar file into a tmpfs |
| [01:25:17] | wagnerrp: | kind of like a crude unionfs |
| [01:25:22] | clever: | and then use that tmpfs as root |
| [01:26:01] | clever: | ive been thinking of adding union to not loose things, but mythtv doesnt store much localy |
| [01:26:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I'd love to get to that level... but haven't had the time to spend on it in the last few years. (As I get older, time seems to accelerate...) |
| [01:27:08] | wagnerrp: | i have set up in the shutdown script to backup the theme cache |
| [01:27:16] | wagnerrp: | just so i dont have to regenerate all kinds of artwork |
| [01:27:48] | wagnerrp: | although that means starting over requires copying several hundred MB of data |
| [01:27:52] | wagnerrp: | takes a bit |
| [01:28:03] | clever: | right now, mine is set to nfs mount /home/ |
| [01:28:08] | clever: | so the theme cache would be kept |
| [01:28:22] | clever: | but its far from done |
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| [01:30:03] | clever: | i dont even have myth compiled on there yet |
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| [01:43:45] | maddslacker: | is there a command that I can map to with the dvd button on my MCE remote to go to the optical disk menu? |
| [01:44:02] | wagnerrp: | check out 'jumppoints' |
| [01:44:11] | wagnerrp: | they have no default key mapping |
| [01:44:20] | maddslacker: | thanks |
| [01:44:29] | wagnerrp: | so you have to map them to a keyboard key in mythtv, and then map that key to your remote in lircrc |
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| [01:46:22] | maddslacker: | yeah, I'm already familiar with lircrc and irw |
| [01:46:32] | maddslacker: | the keybinfind was what I was missing |
| [01:48:44] | Dagmar: | Lol. Silly email admin |
| [01:48:59] | maddslacker: | wagnerrp, found it...thanks |
| [01:49:07] | Dagmar: | "Threatening" to call his boss becuase I've been calling him three times an hour, basically every time his email server malfunctions |
| [01:49:48] | wagnerrp: | wait... he is threatening you that he will call his boss? when he fails to do his job? |
| [01:49:59] | wagnerrp: | isnt it usually the other way around? |
| [01:50:41] | Dagmar: | His boss is over my boss |
| [01:50:50] | Dagmar: | His boss and my boss are _always_ in agreement on this kidn of issue |
| [01:51:05] | Dagmar: | If stuff alarms and we don't call, we can get chewed out. |
| [01:51:33] | BackLash|TheFly: | i am still soundless |
| [01:51:34] | Dagmar: | It's not our fault if our admins occasionally suffer from being too lazy to make sure their equipment meets the perfomance metrics they're supposed to. |
| [01:52:06] | Dagmar: | If I gotta sit here and listen to Nagios chirp every 20 minutes, I'm going to amek someoen else listen to their phone ring every 20 minutes |
| [01:52:26] | Dagmar: | The only problem is that I can't exactly suggest up front "call your boss and get him to sign off on changing the freaking monitoring metric" |
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| [01:53:46] | ** Dagmar snickers at the idea of /lib64/firmware ** | |
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| [01:54:56] | BackLash|TheFly: | http://pastebin.ca/1712765 <-- my dmesg |
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| [02:05:45] | dustybin: | can mythtv backend run ok on a VM using VMware esxi ? |
| [02:07:09] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:07:26] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [02:10:44] | BackLash|TheFly: | i dont know why my audio on my tuner wont work |
| [02:10:54] | BackLash|TheFly: | im gonna cry :/ |
| [02:13:21] | [R]: | well it could |
| [02:13:28] | [R]: | as long as you dont want to do hardware accesses |
| [02:14:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | as in only a network tuner such as a HD-HomeRun will work? |
| [02:15:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah crap... didn't have new enough Nvidia drivers on my backend to compile 0.22-fixes... Sorting that out now... hehehehe |
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| [02:32:03] | BackLash|TheFly: | -headscratch- |
| [02:32:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeay... back on track. ;-) |
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| [02:41:13] | Led_Hed: | anyone here gotten hulu desktop working with MiniMyth? |
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| [02:49:50] | Elv1313: | What is the best way to watch recordning on my iPhone? (free if possible) |
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| [02:50:00] | Greek-Boy: | what is the best way to watch avi's from mythvideo? Internal player or mplayer? |
| [02:50:11] | wagnerrp: | internal |
| [02:50:28] | Greek-Boy: | but i dont get audio on avi files |
| [02:50:30] | Greek-Boy: | :-( |
| [02:50:35] | Greek-Boy: | MKV files work just fine |
| [02:50:41] | Elv1313: | install the right codec |
| [02:50:56] | Greek-Boy: | which is the right codec? |
| [02:50:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use external codecs that could be installed |
| [02:51:24] | Greek-Boy: | well i'm guessing these files audio is ac3 |
| [02:51:35] | Greek-Boy: | which shouldn't be a problem by default |
| [02:51:43] | wagnerrp: | Elv1313: mythweb has flash streaming and an ipod profile that you should be able to use |
| [02:52:02] | wagnerrp: | there is some mythtv iphone app that i believe accesses the backend directly |
| [02:52:34] | wagnerrp: | and theres mythbuntu's mythexport and numerous other export scripts available for transcoding content for the iphone |
| [02:52:47] | Elv1313: | wagnerrp: I can find any "play" button in mythweb iphone UI |
| [02:52:47] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: you may be having some problem with passthrough of digital audio |
| [02:53:03] | Elv1313: | and iPhone does not support flash anyway |
| [02:53:24] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: ok i'll look into it more |
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| [02:56:56] | Greek-Boy: | mplayer -fs -zoom -afm hwac3 -quiet -vo xv %s |
| [02:56:59] | Greek-Boy: | oops sorry |
| [02:57:04] | clever: | + svn checkout -r 22859 http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv mythtv |
| [02:57:06] | clever: | svn: Unrecognized URL scheme for 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv' |
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| [02:57:40] | clever: | :S, cant dl myth! |
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| [02:58:20] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: if the data command for TV shows takes an inetref, shouldnt the season/episode search? |
| [02:58:25] | clever: | ah nvm, webdav is disabled |
| [02:58:33] | Greek-Boy: | what is the most efficient way of being able to watch channels from multiple dishes / watch or record from other dishes at the same time. Have a diseqc switch for each tuner card? |
| [02:59:05] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: isn't that the only way? |
| [02:59:49] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, ?? |
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| [03:00:09] | wagnerrp: | on the wiki, the grabber script format |
| [03:00:30] | wagnerrp: | '-D' was changed to take an inetref, but '-N' still takes a title |
| [03:00:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, -N is title/subtitle |
| [03:00:59] | iamlindoro: | Which is why you feed it... title and subtitle |
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| [03:10:09] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: I don't know. I thought you need multiple tuner cards for each sat but it turns out I was wrong |
| [03:10:38] | [R]: | you need 1 tuner per thing you want to watch |
| [03:10:47] | [R]: | well its 1 tuner per multiplex you want to watch |
| [03:11:37] | Greek-Boy: | what I'm basically trying to achieve is having up to four people being in the house being able to watch four different channels... |
| [03:12:03] | [R]: | then you need 4 tuners |
| [03:12:17] | Greek-Boy: | well that's ok |
| [03:12:29] | Greek-Boy: | I have four DVB-S2 tuners :-) |
| [03:13:18] | Greek-Boy: | how does the diseqc switch know which channel to display? Does it mythtv signal it? |
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| [03:14:53] | [R]: | yup |
| [03:15:02] | Greek-Boy: | i see |
| [03:15:03] | [R]: | although diseqc doesn't select channels |
| [03:15:12] | [R]: | it selects dishes |
| [03:15:31] | Greek-Boy: | so instead of naming the inputs according to the sat dishes, you would have to label them diseqc-1, diseqc-2, etc... |
| [03:15:43] | Greek-Boy: | instead of intelsat, telstart, sky, etc |
| [03:15:44] | [R]: | you can name thinhgs whatever you want |
| [03:16:18] | Greek-Boy: | but each different person would have to stick to his own input |
| [03:16:30] | Greek-Boy: | eg, i take diseqc-1, my gf takes diseqc-2... |
| [03:17:01] | [R]: | myth seelcts inputs for you |
| [03:18:02] | Greek-Boy: | oh yeah |
| [03:18:04] | Greek-Boy: | thats right |
| [03:18:06] | Elv1313: | Someone have mythtv iPod recordning working in 0.21? |
| [03:18:07] | clever: | you just tell it what channel you want, and it picks whatever is free |
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| [03:18:35] | Greek-Boy: | free means its not recording and there is no one watching? |
| [03:19:13] | clever: | if you dont count multirec, then yes |
| [03:19:35] | clever: | multirec and multiplex's complicate things a bit more |
| [03:19:56] | clever: | even if the card is in use, you can still use it a 2nd time, if you want the same multiplex |
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| [03:20:32] | Greek-Boy: | i see |
| [03:20:57] | clever: | so 1 card could record ~8 channels at once, if they where all on the same multiplex |
| [03:21:16] | clever: | if you want a different multiplex, it has to find a 2nd card that is either totaly free, or on the multiplex you want |
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| [03:22:20] | Greek-Boy: | interesting |
| [03:22:47] | Greek-Boy: | can u explain multiplexes more? |
| [03:23:00] | Greek-Boy: | ofcourse a multiplex comees from the same sattelite feed |
| [03:23:06] | clever: | i'm mostly going by what ive learned from watching this channel |
| [03:23:07] | Greek-Boy: | i am assuming same polarization also |
| [03:23:15] | clever: | ive never even used digital tv until yesterday |
| [03:23:49] | clever: | a multiplex is basicaly a single freq with a digital stream, which can contain many logicaly seperate channels |
| [03:24:44] | clever: | the only unencrypted digital channels i can get, seem to be 480i versions of various analog channels |
| [03:25:07] | clever: | but because of the compression, they can fit several of those on a single freq, and get more channels overall on the wire |
| [03:26:05] | Greek-Boy: | i see |
| [03:26:14] | Greek-Boy: | well I have four dishes |
| [03:26:19] | Greek-Boy: | 2 of which will have HD chans |
| [03:29:52] | BackLash|TheFly: | omg someone HAS to know how to get the audio working on my PVR-416 its the last problem |
| [03:36:42] | Dagmar: | yep. They probably documented it on the wiki already. |
| [03:37:13] | Dagmar: | They might have even talked about it over at LinuxQuestions. |
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| [03:46:00] | BackLash|TheFly: | what the heck else could it need :/ |
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| [03:46:58] | Dagmar: | Teh Goog kn0z |
| [03:47:14] | jst: | does anyone here have an acer revo (AR1600-U910H)? |
| [03:47:46] | jst: | i know it has a minipci slot, but i'm not sure if it has an antenna prewired or not |
| [03:48:59] | wagnerrp: | antenna for what? |
| [03:49:08] | jst: | for a wireless card |
| [03:49:11] | wagnerrp: | surely youre not going to attempt wireless |
| [03:49:12] | Greek-Boy: | i have MKV files integrated with subtitles but when i push "t" in mythvideo it says no captions |
| [03:49:20] | jst: | wagnerrp: i don't have a choice |
| [03:51:11] | wagnerrp: | theres always a choice |
| [03:51:35] | FreakWent: | wireless is a lot slower |
| [03:51:38] | FreakWent: | in genereal |
| [03:51:59] | wagnerrp: | more importantly, it is not stable |
| [03:52:12] | wagnerrp: | even under the best of conditions, you will have dropouts |
| [03:52:17] | jst: | wagnerrp: good, then maybe you can ask my landlord if he'll pay for me to run CAT5 from the 3rd story to the basement |
| [03:52:25] | jst: | yeah, i know |
| [03:52:31] | jst: | i'm already using wireless with mythtv just fine |
| [03:52:46] | jst: | i'd prefer ethernet, obviously, but it's not feasible |
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| [03:53:04] | Elv1313: | Where are ".nuv" file strored? I a page about iphone say they exist in the wiki |
| [03:53:07] | Dagmar: | jst: Does the building have central heat and air? |
| [03:53:09] | wagnerrp: | you can actually run wireless across three floors? |
| [03:53:22] | jst: | Dagmar: yes |
| [03:53:23] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Assuming it's not metal-framed, yes |
| [03:53:25] | wagnerrp: | drop a line out a window, drop a line down a bit of ductwork |
| [03:53:37] | Dagmar: | jst: How are the air vents looking |
| [03:53:48] | wagnerrp: | Elv1313: unless you have a framegrabber, you will not have nuvs |
| [03:53:49] | jst: | clean? |
| [03:53:52] | Dagmar: | It might be violating some code or other tho |
| [03:54:00] | wagnerrp: | and all recordings will be where you told mythtv to put them |
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| [03:54:21] | Dagmar: | Codes be damned, I have ethernet going up a wall and through an air duct at the apt. just to avoid boring a hole through the wall |
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| [03:54:55] | wagnerrp: | if got four lines up to my office run through the ductwork |
| [03:55:07] | wagnerrp: | another three dropped along a gap along side the ductwork |
| [03:55:18] | Dagmar: | Yeah outside the ducts are probably okay |
| [03:55:41] | Dagmar: | I have this feeling they might consider wires with flammable coatings run inside a duct to be a fire continuation hazard |
| [03:55:50] | Elv1313: | wagnerrp: I found some in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv |
| [03:55:59] | wagnerrp: | just dropped a plumbbob down to the basement, pulled the lines back up |
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| [03:56:08] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [03:56:11] | Elv1313: | wagnerrp: But I don't really understand the step to watch show on my iphone |
| [03:56:12] | wagnerrp: | Elv1313: then thats where you told mythtv to store them |
| [03:56:16] | Dagmar: | I'd have just dropped the loose end of the lines down. ;) |
| [03:56:35] | Greek-Boy: | seems like the internal player only supports external sub titles by .srt files |
| [03:56:38] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: cant be trusted not to snag on something on the way down |
| [03:56:46] | Elv1313: | wagnerrp: I try to do that http://mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone, but there is not even output in that script |
| [03:56:59] | Elv1313: | how can it work? currently, it don't |
| [03:57:01] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: that and bitmapped subs |
| [03:57:03] | Dagmar: | You can't fight the Law of gravity so you might as well learn to work within it |
| [03:57:10] | wagnerrp: | Elv1313: dont know what to tell you, never used it |
| [03:57:31] | Elv1313: | k |
| [03:57:54] | Elv1313: | wagnerrp: but where should those files stored once encoded, do you have an idea? |
| [03:58:02] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: i mean theres no way i could thread an ethernet cable through an inch wide gap in the floor one floor down |
| [03:58:06] | Greek-Boy: | to be honest i dont know what bitmapped subs are. I know internal subtitles like in MKV doesn't work. Hopefully it will soon :-) |
| [03:58:10] | wagnerrp: | Elv1313: wherever the script tells it to |
| [03:58:34] | wagnerrp: | bitmapped subs are the only kind of sub you will find distributed legitimately |
| [03:58:34] | Elv1313: | wagnerrp: it does not save them, it send them directly in /dev/null, it just can't work |
| [03:58:55] | wagnerrp: | well... that and VBI closed captioning |
| [03:59:15] | wagnerrp: | DVD subs, digital broadcast subs, theyre all just pre-rendered images displayed on top of the video |
| [03:59:32] | wagnerrp: | it obviously doesnt send the video to /dev/null |
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| [04:00:30] | wagnerrp: | if it does multi-pass encoding, it might shunt the first pass off to null |
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| [04:01:32] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: Got you.. I think I understand now |
| [04:01:33] | wagnerrp: | looks like the old CCs got carried over into digital broadcasts as well |
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| [04:06:24] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: When ripping a DVD in MythVideo does that bitmap the titles? |
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| [04:08:07] | wagnerrp: | depending on how you do it |
| [04:08:21] | wagnerrp: | if you rip lossless to an ISO or VOB, yes |
| [04:09:38] | wagnerrp: | apparently the 'makemkv' script floating around the mailing list will remux a vob (with functional subtitles) into an mkv |
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| [04:12:58] | BackLash|TheFly: | Ok start naming off every stupid reason why my audio might not be working (everything else makes sound |
| [04:15:40] | jst: | anyone know if the option to set the program guide to "eco" settings was removed in 0.22? i can't seem to find it |
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| [04:19:56] | jst: | i guess it was... it used to be here: Setup -> TV Settings -> Program Guide |
| [04:19:59] | jst: | "Guide Shading Method" Eco |
| [04:21:05] | ablyss: | hi |
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| [04:33:31] | Elv1313: | anaybody know how to encode a file in mpeg4, xvid or h264 in mythbuntu, ffmpeg never want to do ti without proping errors (yes, I do have the lib installed) |
| [04:33:33] | jst: | hey, ablyss |
| [04:34:05] | ablyss: | hi jst, sorry had to reconnect on port 8000, my router doesn't seem to like port 6667 |
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| [04:37:06] | ablyss: | i bet this is old news but figured i'd ask since i'm new here ( but not new to mythtv ) ... the latest version of myth 22 seems to have lost the ability to delete files, except via mythweb |
| [04:38:15] | iamlindoro: | It hasn't. |
| [04:38:20] | Dagmar: | Check your file permissions. Check the backend logs. |
| [04:38:28] | iamlindoro: | highlight a recording, press D, or press INFO and scroll to the bottom |
| [04:42:07] | ablyss: | Well this is odd. I goto --> Manage recordings --> Delete Recordings --> Watch Recordings. The screen always goes to "Watch Recordings" This has always been the case, even when building myth from cvs |
| [04:42:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... upgrade is failing due to 3 warnings on my 'oldrecorded' table... ugh... |
| [04:42:21] | iamlindoro: | ablyss, Because the screen was redundant |
| [04:42:36] | iamlindoro: | everything you could do from that screen you can do from watch recordings, instructions already given |
| [04:43:20] | jst: | ablyss: i was having the exact same problems before... one thing that seemed to work was going to watch recordings and pressing M i believe to change the group for some reason |
| [04:43:32] | iamlindoro: | NO |
| [04:43:44] | iamlindoro: | again, just press the info binding, then select delete |
| [04:43:50] | iamlindoro: | "I" |
| [04:43:53] | iamlindoro: | scroll to bottom |
| [04:43:54] | iamlindoro: | delete |
| [04:44:28] | ablyss: | iamlindoro: thanks. I feel that was a little, how to say, subtle.. I been fighting w/ that for weeks, maybe months |
| [04:44:40] | ** ablyss thwacks back of head ** | |
| [04:44:48] | iamlindoro: | It's always been in that menu, even in .21 ;) |
| [04:45:02] | ** ablyss double thwack ** | |
| [04:45:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... any mysql experts here at the moment — it appears 3 of my descriptions in 'oldrecorded' cause warnings, causing my upgrade to fail – how can I find out which rows??? |
| [04:46:29] | BackLash|TheFly: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AVerMedia_M150-D <-- they have cx88_alsa loaded but mine doesnt have that |
| [04:47:21] | Dagmar: | That's nice. |
| [04:47:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah... found it 'show warnings' duh... |
| [04:49:56] | Dagmar: | BackLash|TheFly: http://www.google.com/search?q=pvr-416+%2Blinux |
| [04:50:05] | Dagmar: | The very first hit. Read it thoroughly. |
| [04:51:18] | Dagmar: | There's a reasonable chance it's _never_ going to work properly under Linux, but all the pieces necessary to figuring it out are in that post. |
| [04:52:18] | BackLash|TheFly: | ive read that like 5 times |
| [04:52:37] | Dagmar: | Then it looks like your card doesn't work properly under Linux. |
| [04:52:51] | Dagmar: | Throw it away. Buy something else that you know in advance from your research _does_ work |
| [04:53:22] | ablyss: | ah... has anyone gotten lirc i2c to work with the latest 9.10 kernel updates? last I read Mario i think is his name added the i2c patches |
| [04:54:47] | ablyss: | ~ for the pvr 150 family of remotes |
| [04:55:43] | ablyss: | sorry, forget to mention ubuntu distro :( |
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| [04:57:29] | skd5aner: | quick question about setting "max episodes" on an existing recording rule... |
| [04:58:15] | skd5aner: | I had a show that had maybe 10 recordings already recorded, and I went into the rule and changed it to record a max of 5 and set it to not record if it had reached 5 (rather than delete oldest) |
| [04:58:54] | skd5aner: | once I did that, in watch recordings I now only have 5 recordings, while the other recordings that got deleted be set to re-record? |
| [04:59:24] | skd5aner: | I assumed that it would just not record until I had <5 recordings, instead it deleted >5 recordings |
| [04:59:52] | ablyss: | okay, question: in myth 21 channel jumping was optional in the guide ( enabled, pressing numbers would jump to that channel in the guide, disabled pressing 3 or 9 would scroll the guide) myth 22 still offers the option but the option to turn it off is broken... any ideas |
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| [05:14:35] | jst: | does anyone know how to change the program guide shading in 0.22? |
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| [05:18:24] | ablyss: | jst: i've only been able to turn it off/on in myth 22 |
| [05:19:07] | ablyss: | actually genre color... not shading per se |
| [05:19:38] | jst: | yeah |
| [05:19:42] | jst: | but the two are different |
| [05:19:59] | jst: | shading had options like "eco" |
| [05:20:02] | ablyss: | i know |
| [05:20:05] | jst: | the program guide looked fugly, but it was |
| [05:20:09] | jst: | :( |
| [05:20:19] | jst: | why was it taken out... can i edit a file somewhere to reenable it? |
| [05:22:10] | ablyss: | my experience is mythcenter theme has a very decent guide, with font size actually readable |
| [05:22:26] | ablyss: | even w/out shading |
| [05:22:32] | jst: | yeah, but it's just so f'ing slow for me |
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| [05:22:50] | jst: | about 0.5 – 1 second delay when moving through guide |
| [05:23:07] | iamlindoro: | That's not related to guide shading |
| [05:23:13] | iamlindoro: | it's related to you not having accessible icons |
| [05:23:22] | jst: | channel icons? |
| [05:23:31] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [05:23:37] | jst: | i have some, but not all |
| [05:23:43] | jst: | should i just delete them all? |
| [05:23:54] | iamlindoro: | you have channel entires point at files which don't exist or are unreachable |
| [05:24:19] | iamlindoro: | until either the files are where the channel table says, or the channel table doesn't refer to them, the pain with continue |
| [05:25:37] | jst: | it might be worth noting that if i'm using the program guide but not watching TV, it's much, much faster |
| [05:25:47] | ablyss: | i can would also add that a gpu, one that supports vdpau will make the guide/osd smooth and fast |
| [05:25:55] | iamlindoro: | no, it won't. |
| [05:26:06] | iamlindoro: | Since VDPAU has nothing to do with the guide or its drawing or rendering |
| [05:26:45] | jst: | iamlindoro: so how can i go about fixing this problem? deleting all the channel icons won't help? |
| [05:27:06] | iamlindoro: | jst, no. You need to remove the references to them in the channel editor. |
| [05:27:42] | jst: | alright, gotta head out to the backend brb |
| [05:32:17] | ablyss: | from my experience w/ a new video card, the guide/osd had blazing speed compared to the jittery and sluggish guide/osd it had before |
| [05:32:47] | iamlindoro: | your experience is irrelevant to the fact that VDPAU does *nothing* for the guide, in any fashion |
| [05:33:19] | ablyss: | yeah, you already said that |
| [05:33:26] | jst: | $ mythfilldatabase --reset-icon-map all |
| [05:33:31] | jst: | ^ seems to have helped somewhat |
| [05:33:45] | jst: | maybe it's just because it's over a wireless network (802.11n) instead of localhost? |
| [05:34:13] | ablyss: | just seemed logical since vdpau off loads video rendering from the cpu to the gpu... but never-the-less |
| [05:34:25] | jst: | iamlindoro: did that take care of the problem? it removed all the icons |
| [05:40:28] | ablyss: | jst, i believe you could just disable showing icons instead of deleting them |
| [05:43:11] | jst: | i already tried that... didn't improve the speed by much |
| [05:43:20] | jst: | really, it's always been like this |
| [05:43:23] | jst: | a slow program guide |
| [05:43:32] | jst: | switching it to eco made it so much faster |
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| [05:43:42] | jst: | it's a damn shame if myth developers decided to remove it |
| [05:45:54] | ablyss: | what about the "use transparent boxes" option |
| [05:46:24] | ablyss: | err, i meant the Pop Background Shadig Method |
| [05:46:29] | ablyss: | popup |
| [05:47:30] | jst: | one sec, let me try |
| [05:47:37] | jst: | thanks for your help btw |
| [05:47:40] | jst: | much appreciated :) |
| [05:47:42] | ablyss: | i'm not sure if that is the same thing, but its in the appearance menu/theme/screen settings/Video mode settings/localization/QT |
| [05:48:14] | ablyss: | i suppose using QT to render the stuff would apply, but just a logical guess |
| [05:48:24] | jst: | yeah |
| [05:48:35] | jst: | says it only applies to watch recordings and delete recordings screens |
| [05:48:46] | ablyss: | ahh man |
| [05:48:46] | jst: | i'll try |
| [05:48:53] | ablyss: | ahh/awe |
| [05:49:47] | jst: | nope :( |
| [05:49:54] | jst: | i just don't get why they would remove it? |
| [05:49:58] | jst: | i'd rather have faster than pretty |
| [05:50:05] | jst: | camaro over lotus :) |
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| [05:54:18] | Dagmar: | You are *high* |
| [05:54:25] | Dagmar: | Too high to safely be online. |
| [05:54:28] | Dagmar: | You're liable to buy something. |
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| [05:54:44] | Dagmar: | Either that or you live in a trailer park. It's hard to tell. |
| [05:55:37] | Dagmar: | "camaro over lotus". *pfft* |
| [05:56:03] | jst: | the point is that a new camaro is a what, 12 second car? |
| [05:56:12] | jst: | lotus is just fun and pretty and sexy but i doubt it's very fast |
| [05:56:24] | jst: | just trying to make a point, not smoke a joint |
| [05:56:46] | iamlindoro: | We remove settings which don't *do* anything, and that one did nothing with the new guide grid widget |
| [05:57:06] | iamlindoro: | we have enough settings which are pure placebos without keeping any more |
| [05:57:11] | Dagmar: | A camaro is a redneck car. |
| [05:57:26] | Dagmar: | ...and Lotus makes vehicles that eat it for lunch, AND don't say "I have a mullet" |
| [05:57:33] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [05:57:39] | jst: | i beg to differ on the new camaros |
| [05:57:43] | jst: | maybe 3rd and 4th gens |
| [05:57:48] | jst: | but the new ones are sexy as hell |
| [05:57:53] | jst: | and priced out of the redneck's range |
| [05:58:04] | ablyss: | i feel fortunate to have experience myth w/ a nvidia gt 9600 pcie. The quality of over the air hd broadcasts, and cable hd Qam streams are much better than what i was using |
| [05:59:11] | ablyss: | just was the local computer store sold passively cold heat sinks... the fan noise is a bitch |
| [05:59:37] | ablyss: | cold/cooled |
| [06:01:06] | jst: | iamlindoro: so there's no way to change the guide to eco? :( |
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| [06:02:25] | iamlindoro: | no. The guide grid is 100% new code from what you had in .21. Such a setting would do nothing |
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| [06:02:52] | jst: | damn... guess i will have to look into getting a meatier graphics card |
| [06:03:00] | iamlindoro: | to what end? |
| [06:03:08] | jst: | slow guide == annnnnnnnnnnnnoying |
| [06:03:09] | iamlindoro: | Again, the GPU does NOTHING for the guide |
| [06:03:12] | jst: | ohh |
| [06:03:18] | iamlindoro: | the guide is NOT accelerated in any way by the GPU |
| [06:03:26] | jst: | so faster cpu? |
| [06:03:43] | iamlindoro: | or track down what your fundamental issue is |
| [06:04:00] | iamlindoro: | could be slow DB, too slow network, any number of things |
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| [06:07:06] | ablyss: | hey iamlindoro any ideas to the channel skipping question i posted earlier |
| [06:07:42] | ablyss: | wife really misses that feature |
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| [06:11:27] | ablyss: | jst, i dont think the transition of 21 to 22 was done right. too many loose ends, blurry ideas, e.g., the "delete recordings" change. |
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| [06:13:09] | ablyss: | but it is what it is.. and you can always reinstall myth 21 |
| [06:15:37] | ablyss: | and since your not concerned w/ quality but speed ... your use of myth 22 isn't worth the problems |
| [06:16:31] | Dagmar: | There's definitely no rule that says you _have_ to upgrade right away |
| [06:16:43] | jst: | yeah, but i plan on getting an HDPVR soon |
| [06:16:49] | jst: | i don't think those are supported in 0.21 |
| [06:16:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah they won't work in 0.21 |
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| [06:17:21] | jst: | brb, made some changes to xorg.conf and optimized backend database... let me see if this works |
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| [06:17:46] | ablyss: | i dont understand how myth detects the hauppauge hd pvr. |
| [06:18:36] | ablyss: | its totally external no ? |
| [06:18:39] | mzb: | myth doesn't |
| [06:19:24] | ablyss: | how is channel changing done |
| [06:20:00] | mzb: | by talking to the kernel module interface? |
| [06:21:32] | ablyss: | i'm still not convinced. the thing looks a like an expensive hd recorder, but no coax input, just component. |
| [06:21:54] | iamlindoro: | What's not to be convinced about? It's just a USB capture device |
| [06:22:18] | iamlindoro: | There's no hard drive, it's not a standalone box |
| [06:22:32] | ** mzb goes back to (trying to) erect a shelf ** | |
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| [06:23:41] | jst: | meh, it seems about the same... has anyone else experienced this? it's only across the network... they network is 802.11n, but has WPA2 |
| [06:23:48] | jst: | maybe it's a network latency issue |
| [06:23:52] | ablyss: | so it is mainly for capturing set top boxes that have hd component outputs with myth channel change already setup to change the cable or satellite boxes? |
| [06:24:04] | jst: | oh well, i guess i can just use page up/page down... seems more efficient than hitting up/down several times |
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| [06:24:20] | ablyss: | im sorry the dumb question.. i just can't figure the thing out.. mainly the change channel part |
| [06:24:37] | jst: | ablyss: hdpvr? |
| [06:24:46] | iamlindoro: | You use IR or firewire to change using an external channel changer, like any STB capture |
| [06:24:47] | ablyss: | jst no the hauppauge hd pvr |
| [06:24:55] | jst: | uhm... |
| [06:25:08] | jst: | didn't realize there was a difference :) |
| [06:25:30] | ablyss: | the IR seems pointless w/ out a coax input... |
| [06:25:36] | iamlindoro: | ablyss, huh?? |
| [06:25:44] | iamlindoro: | what would one ahve to do with the other? |
| [06:26:02] | iamlindoro: | IR is used to change channels on the set top box... what it outputs has nothing to do with it |
| [06:26:23] | iamlindoro: | coax input would be useless, since it would always be SD |
| [06:26:24] | ablyss: | IR is also used to change channels via lirc |
| [06:26:43] | iamlindoro: | ablyss, yes, that's how it's accomplished-- that has nothing to do with coaxial inputs |
| [06:27:21] | jst: | i wish we could all use cablecards intead... no way i'm going back to w7mc though... can't really stream it, and not nearly as configurable as mythtv |
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| [06:28:53] | ablyss: | well, no i disagree. lirc changes the channel frequency in myth, this is a frequency provided by the coax signal.. thus using an IR extender is not required. |
| [06:29:09] | iamlindoro: | ablyss, you are mistaken, I think you need to re-evaluate the basics |
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| [06:29:38] | iamlindoro: | lirc is a program to transmit and receive IR signals, nothing more. It is used to control IR blasters, and to capture remote input |
| [06:29:50] | iamlindoro: | It has nothing to do with frequency handling in myth |
| [06:31:09] | iamlindoro: | you need IR blasting via lirc for *any* IR channel change, not matter what input you are using, whether it be component, composite, s-video, or coaxial |
| [06:31:40] | iamlindoro: | additionally, an HD-PVR with a coaxial input would be defeating the purpose, since the whole point is to exploit the analog hole, and there's no such thing as analog HD via coax |
| [06:31:52] | ablyss: | okay lirc tells muth "channel up" which changes the channels, no external change channel script required |
| [06:31:58] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [06:32:04] | iamlindoro: | liit doesn't |
| [06:32:31] | ablyss: | if i press the up arrow... the channel changes |
| [06:32:37] | ablyss: | forget lirc for now |
| [06:32:56] | ablyss: | how does the hauppage react to the up arrow key? |
| [06:33:02] | iamlindoro: | IT doesn't |
| [06:33:08] | ablyss: | that's my point |
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| [06:33:15] | iamlindoro: | just like *any* STB capture in myth, you set up an external channel changing script |
| [06:33:21] | iamlindoro: | which is an IR emission via LIRC |
| [06:33:26] | ablyss: | thats exactly my point |
| [06:33:35] | iamlindoro: | which has nothing to do with which input you use |
| [06:34:00] | ablyss: | how does the pvr know what channel 2 verse channel 3 is? |
| [06:34:08] | iamlindoro: | ANY STB capture will use an external channel change script... no matter what input you use, and no matter what capture device you use |
| [06:34:27] | iamlindoro: | ablyss, Like EVERY analog capture from a STB, the capture device is agnostic of that |
| [06:34:56] | iamlindoro: | myth tells the device to stop capturing, executes the external channel change script, which tells the *set top box* to change channels, and then tells the capture device to resume capturing |
| [06:35:06] | ablyss: | stb isn't required w/ coax.. so in other words a STB is required |
| [06:35:16] | ablyss: | when using the hauppuage hd pvr? |
| [06:35:31] | ablyss: | again sorry dumb questions |
| [06:35:33] | iamlindoro: | yes, a STB is required with the HD-PVR |
| [06:35:45] | ablyss: | bless u man bless u.. lol |
| [06:35:52] | jst: | whoa, ablyss |
| [06:36:08] | jst: | use a regular tv capture card if you just want ntsc/clearqam |
| [06:36:21] | jst: | hdpvr needs a stb... only point of having it is to get digital/hd channels as well |
| [06:37:02] | ablyss: | jst i use hvr 1600 which supports both analog and hd streams, coax input no stb required |
| [06:37:13] | iamlindoro: | only for your *unencrypted* channels |
| [06:37:15] | ablyss: | dirt cheap too |
| [06:37:18] | iamlindoro: | which misses the point of the HD-PVR |
| [06:37:37] | iamlindoro: | which is to capture *all* your channels, since they've already been decrypted by the set top box |
| [06:37:45] | ablyss: | i dont pay for encrypted streams, thus have no need for them |
| [06:37:59] | iamlindoro: | We're not trying to sell you one |
| [06:38:02] | ablyss: | lol |
| [06:38:22] | iamlindoro: | trying to make the point that there's no point in comparing it to a device which doesn't have its capabilities |
| [06:38:28] | ablyss: | i watch local high def channel, plus G4 via the Qam signal over the cable company |
| [06:39:26] | ablyss: | i dont see the point in the hauppauge hd pvr is all.. total waste unless the one has a STB w/ hd quality streams |
| [06:39:46] | iamlindoro: | You don't understand the point... but then explain the point? |
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| [06:40:20] | iamlindoro: | Nobody is suggesting you buy it unless you have a use for it |
| [06:40:30] | iamlindoro: | but it most assuredly has a point |
| [06:41:22] | iamlindoro: | For those of use with set top boxes and hundreds of HD channels that we'd prefer to stay in HD, it's the one and only game in town |
| [06:41:33] | ablyss: | tell me about the IR extender lag time.. is it slow? i know it when i used a STB |
| [06:41:55] | iamlindoro: | s/extender/blaster/ |
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| [06:42:04] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't know, Live Tv is for suckers |
| [06:42:15] | iamlindoro: | all my TV is waiting for me when I choose to watch it |
| [06:42:51] | iamlindoro: | but like any channel change in myth, there is a several second delay, slightly longer when using IR, but having a lot to do with the box and the channel changing script |
| [06:43:49] | beatbreaker: | hi i'm having major problems connecting to my backend, i can do a command "mysql -h <ip> -u mythtv mythconverg -p" command and connect like that but i can't connect and watch myth tv |
| [06:43:55] | beatbreaker: | from my front end |
| [06:44:00] | beatbreaker: | the back end works fine |
| [06:45:21] | [R]: | beatbreaker: you can't connect you say? |
| [06:46:44] | abqjp: | jst, I don't suppose you want to take over maintenance of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6719 ? I believe I see a bug in v1.5 and will test it best I can, but it would be better if someone that uses the patch day-to-day was in charge of it.... |
| [06:48:34] | beatbreaker: | [R], yes, http://pastebin.com/mf1b347a |
| [06:48:41] | ablyss: | beatbreaker: try mythfronted --reset then mythfrontend again |
| [06:49:40] | [R]: | beatbreaker: try it with -v most |
| [06:49:40] | beatbreaker: | same |
| [06:50:01] | beatbreaker: | like "mythfrontend -v most" ? |
| [06:50:18] | beatbreaker: | same result |
| [06:50:31] | [R]: | its not the same result |
| [06:50:36] | [R]: | because it says a lot more than what you pasted |
| [06:50:58] | beatbreaker: | sorry, it's different, but same HTTPserver error at the end |
| [06:51:01] | beatbreaker: | so you want to see it? |
| [06:51:15] | [R]: | no... let me guess what it says |
| [06:51:38] | beatbreaker: | sorry |
| [06:52:01] | beatbreaker: | i'm vncing onto both backend and frontend from a midway computer, i'll get it up in a sec |
| [06:55:29] | beatbreaker: | ok actually i'm gong to go on my backend and remote to the frontend from there, it's too unvomfroatable to do it like this, i'll post it in a sec |
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| [06:58:32] | beatbreak: | [R], sorry, what was that command again? "mythfrontend -v ...." |
| [06:58:33] | beatbreak: | ? |
| [06:58:51] | [R]: | -v most |
| [06:59:24] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m512e8074 |
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| [07:01:20] | [R]: | has it never worked? |
| [07:01:49] | beatbreak: | yes, only stopped working after an update to mythbuntu 9.10 and mythtv 0.22 |
| [07:02:37] | ablyss: | beatbreaker: did you build it from scratch or was it already built for you |
| [07:02:37] | beatbreak: | the backend is on arch Linux, same os but new mythtv version. mythfrontend works fine on the backend |
| [07:02:54] | beatbreak: | mythbuntu for the frontend was built for me |
| [07:03:03] | beatbreak: | i built the backend from scratch |
| [07:03:12] | [R]: | beatbreak: netstat -l --inet |
| [07:03:27] | jst: | abqjp: i don't have an hdpvr yet... so i wouldn't be much use |
| [07:04:29] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m56e697db |
| [07:04:38] | Dagmar: | When we gettin' support for http://www.signalnoise.com/gallery/ views |
| [07:04:43] | Dagmar: | That's PURTY |
| [07:04:47] | beatbreak: | i have a feeling that a port is closed |
| [07:05:10] | [R]: | beatbreak: netstat -lp --inet |
| [07:05:15] | [R]: | beatbreak: do it as root |
| [07:05:29] | Dagmar: | A handy mnemonic is "tuna pee" |
| [07:05:29] | beatbreak: | on the backend or the frontend? |
| [07:05:37] | Dagmar: | It's not exactly tasteful, but it works. |
| [07:05:43] | Dagmar: | `netstat -tunap` |
| [07:05:54] | [R]: | beatbreak: frontend |
| [07:06:04] | ablyss: | hey Dagmare, what was that link about? |
| [07:06:19] | Dagmar: | A web gallery someone linked in another channel, which is _really_ sweet lookin; |
| [07:06:36] | Dagmar: | It's dratted flash tho |
| [07:06:58] | ablyss: | what do you mean by " when we getting support" |
| [07:06:59] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m7573bb9e |
| [07:07:18] | [R]: | beatbreak: looks like the frontend is running just fine |
| [07:07:42] | Dagmar: | abyless: Ah just looking to barb iamlindoro or justinh |
| [07:07:44] | beatbreak: | i know, I configured it perfectly |
| [07:07:56] | [R]: | so whats the problem |
| [07:08:00] | Dagmar: | I've been messing around with some GL stuff, but mainly I just seem to be good at generating core dumps. ;) |
| [07:08:19] | ablyss: | i'm not particular fond of flash |
| [07:08:36] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m336f70dd it freezes here now |
| [07:08:53] | beatbreak: | i don't get into the GUI, it just leaves me at the terminal |
| [07:09:06] | [R]: | that otuput means nothing |
| [07:09:09] | [R]: | you need to do it with the -v flag |
| [07:09:16] | Dagmar: | There's no sighn of anything wrong in the output |
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| [07:10:37] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m3ddd225e |
| [07:10:46] | ablyss: | yeah, i'm not familiar w/ the term media renderer |
| [07:11:11] | [R]: | beatbreak: the frontend is still running |
| [07:11:48] | beatbreak: | ok i'm killing it |
| [07:11:58] | ablyss: | maybe because i run the backend and frontend on the same machine... |
| [07:13:07] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m624dc356 lots of info |
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| [07:14:45] | [R]: | well theres no errors there |
| [07:14:57] | beatbreak: | but it stops there |
| [07:15:05] | beatbreak: | and hangs |
| [07:15:28] | [R]: | what if you try it with -v all |
| [07:15:39] | Dagmar: | Where are you starting this from? |
| [07:16:05] | beatbreak: | terminal, in mythbuntu 9.10 |
| [07:16:10] | beatbreak: | my frontend |
| [07:16:18] | beatbreak: | how about a log file? |
| [07:16:23] | Dagmar: | okay. So if you type `xterm` in that same window, does an ugly xterm appear? |
| [07:16:40] | Dagmar: | I have a suspicion |
| [07:16:40] | beatbreak: | yeah |
| [07:16:43] | Dagmar: | Drat |
| [07:16:46] | ablyss: | lol |
| [07:17:05] | beatbreak: | i'm not that bad |
| [07:17:07] | clever: | Dagmar: it aint ugly! |
| [07:17:11] | clever: | and its a heck of alot faster then gnome-terminal :P |
| [07:17:16] | ablyss: | lokl beatbreak |
| [07:17:32] | Dagmar: | Well, I just figured you might have DISPLAY set to somewhere weird or something |
| [07:17:39] | beatbreak: | possible |
| [07:17:50] | ablyss: | that would suck if he was running x-less |
| [07:17:50] | beatbreak: | do you want xorg.conf ? |
| [07:18:01] | Dagmar: | I *have* seen guys sit and cuss at their machines all the while every app they were trying to launch was appearing on a workstation halfway across the room |
| [07:18:20] | Dagmar: | Nope. That really shouldn't affect it |
| [07:18:38] | clever: | Dagmar: lol, that sounds fun |
| [07:18:40] | Dagmar: | No sign of a window appears when you launch the frontend? None at all? |
| [07:19:01] | clever: | Dagmar: which reminds me, ive ran junk like shutdown, startx, and firefox under ssh before without noticing:P |
| [07:19:13] | Dagmar: | clever: Yeah he had started a screen session on the other workstation, set DISPLAY, and then forgot to reset it when he attached to the session from a different workstation |
| [07:19:21] | clever: | lol |
| [07:19:29] | ablyss: | after the upgrade did remember to reboot... desperate questions now |
| [07:19:44] | clever: | beatbreak: what is the output of 'type mythfrontend' |
| [07:20:12] | Dagmar: | Good idea |
| [07:20:20] | Dagmar: | It might be that bloody wrapper malfunctioning |
| [07:20:58] | Dagmar: | Ya might wanna try `mythfrontend-real` if it says mythfrontend is a script |
| [07:21:00] | clever: | i had recently made my own rmmod wrapper because my laptop would lock up durring shutdown |
| [07:21:06] | clever: | but now the thing wont fail:P |
| [07:21:12] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m722d5a95 |
| [07:21:33] | ablyss: | i generally just push the power off button.. lots quicker than waiting for the shutdown scripts |
| [07:21:39] | beatbreak: | mythfrontend is /usr/bin/mythfrontend |
| [07:21:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah nothing about that xorg.conf is particularly suspect |
| [07:21:54] | Dagmar: | bugger |
| [07:22:10] | clever: | ablyss: that leads to 5 hours delay when you boot back up:P |
| [07:22:33] | Dagmar: | That's because clever is still using ext2 and disks from 1995 |
| [07:22:47] | ablyss: | bamahahahahahha |
| [07:22:50] | luux: | hi |
| [07:22:53] | clever: | its ~500gig of LVM with ext3 |
| [07:22:58] | ablyss: | that was good Dagmar |
| [07:23:00] | beatbreak: | i've rebooted this thing several times |
| [07:23:03] | clever: | badly fragmented and resized ALOT |
| [07:23:12] | luux: | finally!! btrfs raided0 metadata and data. |
| [07:23:22] | luux: | 3TBs |
| [07:23:27] | clever: | Dagmar: your close, but not there:P |
| [07:23:27] | wagnerrp: | why are you running btrfs? |
| [07:23:34] | wagnerrp: | and why are you running raid0? |
| [07:23:40] | beatbreak: | me? |
| [07:23:48] | luux: | because ZFS implicates learning BSD or solaris |
| [07:23:49] | wagnerrp: | luux |
| [07:23:50] | ablyss: | wife is bitching at me because i'm laughing, waking her up... grr |
| [07:23:53] | beatbreak: | are there any .log files you'd like to see? |
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| [07:23:57] | luux: | I can modprobe it. |
| [07:24:05] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: Not really |
| [07:24:13] | wagnerrp: | and btrfs implicates using a buggy, developmental, unstable, and prone to data loss file system |
| [07:24:15] | Dagmar: | The thing is that the display *should* "just work" |
| [07:24:22] | Dagmar: | If nothing else you should get a screen |
| [07:24:22] | luux: | backup is going to be over net |
| [07:24:24] | ablyss: | guess i better go and be a good husband |
| [07:24:33] | beatbreak: | there's got to be a reason for this |
| [07:24:37] | luux: | I am simplifing things. |
| [07:24:39] | Dagmar: | The only thing I can even guess is that the DE is somehow blowing it out of the water |
| [07:24:39] | wagnerrp: | and RAID0 implicates worthless functionality for mythtv |
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| [07:24:52] | beatbreak: | what if i changed to s-video would that make a difference? i doubht it would though |
| [07:25:01] | Dagmar: | ...and since Ubuntu doesn't believe in a text console mode that I've noticed, I dont' know a simple way to shut off the DE |
| [07:25:01] | luux: | well not only mythtv |
| [07:25:16] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: You are running multiple screens? |
| [07:25:22] | luux: | LOL@buntu ant-cli |
| [07:25:25] | clever: | Dagmar: DE? |
| [07:25:30] | Dagmar: | Desktop Environment |
| [07:25:31] | luux: | *anti |
| [07:25:33] | clever: | ah |
| [07:25:34] | wagnerrp: | RAID0 implicates worthless functionality for just about anything short of video editing |
| [07:25:36] | beatbreak: | no, you saw my xorg.conf.... |
| [07:25:41] | clever: | i use CLI heavily on my ubuntu and it doesnt have any problems |
| [07:25:50] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: Yes but Xorg is a lot smarter than it used to be |
| [07:26:12] | beatbreak: | how can i double check? nvidia-settings seems normal |
| [07:26:13] | luux: | wagnerrp: I'll see that for myself. Also, same-mobo backup schemes don't appeal me. |
| [07:26:46] | beatbreak: | does mythtv have a problem running is 640x480 ? |
| [07:26:51] | beatbreak: | *in |
| [07:26:59] | clever: | beatbreak: i think ive ran it at 512x512 before |
| [07:27:06] | wagnerrp: | hard drives are pushing 100+MB/s on their own these days |
| [07:27:09] | beatbreak: | does it have to be told that |
| [07:27:10] | beatbreak: | ? |
| [07:27:11] | luux: | there's something pretty cool with btrfs --> subvolumes. is like mythtv's grouping but at the filesystem level. |
| [07:27:24] | wagnerrp: | by and large, apps dont need that kind of speed, they more want IO/sec |
| [07:27:42] | wagnerrp: | better to run RAID1, where your simultaneous reads/sec are doubled |
| [07:27:51] | beatbreak: | what ever happened to config.xml it doesn't exist anymore? |
| [07:27:57] | luux: | the speed improvement is readily noticeable |
| [07:28:15] | clever: | luux: ive lately setup my system to use a tmpfs as / |
| [07:28:20] | clever: | its a great deal faster |
| [07:28:21] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that really still benefits from absurdly high sequential access and marginal seek performance is video editing |
| [07:28:54] | luux: | clever: ah yes xcept, mythtv recordings... |
| [07:29:11] | clever: | luux: all recordings are stored on nfs to a proper server |
| [07:29:18] | clever: | and that doesnt need very much bandwidth |
| [07:29:41] | clever: | currently compiling mythtv to run on the tmpfs system |
| [07:29:53] | luux: | wagnerrp: and audio production, I've had a 6 min recording of my own voice in wav format and 96khz grow 200MB. |
| [07:30:16] | wagnerrp: | oh no... 200MB |
| [07:30:19] | jst: | ok, so the guide runs very fast when i'm using the frontend which doubles as my backend, but slow on both computers on the network... is this normal? is there some way to cache the guide data for the remote frontends? |
| [07:30:29] | wagnerrp: | better to just buy another $3 worth of RAM for that one |
| [07:30:33] | luux: | and wasn't anything fancy, one single track. |
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| [07:30:47] | luux: | I got 8GB of ram |
| [07:30:52] | beatbreak: | any more advice |
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| [07:30:57] | clever: | luux: record to /dev/shm/ then:P |
| [07:31:05] | beatbreak: | i've spent all day on this and it's driving me mad |
| [07:31:55] | clever: | ok, what the hell |
| [07:32:04] | clever: | gentoo thinks i need xine installed to get webkit |
| [07:32:11] | wagnerrp: | or dont worry about it, and just let standard file system caching handle it |
| [07:32:20] | clever: | ah, a use flag on phonon |
| [07:32:44] | luux: | how would benefit mythtv from running in ram? |
| [07:32:54] | luux: | binaries usually load into memory once. |
| [07:33:24] | luux: | and don't take long to load since they are a couple mb's large. |
| [07:33:31] | clever: | i'm pre-loading the entire system into ram at bootup |
| [07:33:32] | wagnerrp: | he can still run diskless, and it doesnt trash the systems if his server goes down |
| [07:33:35] | clever: | before init even runs |
| [07:33:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: that too |
| [07:33:55] | clever: | i can also perform major upgrades on the root image |
| [07:34:00] | clever: | and not trash anything thats running |
| [07:34:07] | Dagmar: | You can do that anyway |
| [07:34:30] | luux: | clever: is there any faster? |
| [07:34:36] | clever: | Dagmar: id have to clone the image on the disk drive and edit the config to boot from the clone when done |
| [07:34:37] | luux: | *is it |
| [07:34:54] | clever: | luux: several parts of portage run alot faster |
| [07:34:54] | Dagmar: | You actually are already cloning the image. Ahem |
| [07:35:18] | clever: | Dagmar: right now, i have 1 live copy on the usb stick which can boot normaly |
| [07:35:30] | clever: | and a .tar of the entire stick inside there |
| [07:35:34] | beatbreak: | anyone? advice on getting this working? frontend won't display mythtv |
| [07:35:36] | Dagmar: | I want them to bring back read-only switches for those |
| [07:35:49] | luux: | Dagmar: lol |
| [07:35:55] | clever: | the write protect line is still there on the chip |
| [07:35:58] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: The only thing I can think of would be to tell Ubunutu you want a hideously simple WM like twm or blackbox |
| [07:36:03] | clever: | you could probly add a switch with little work |
| [07:36:06] | luux: | Dagmar: can't you hack it to add the switch manually? |
| [07:36:10] | Dagmar: | That would at least eliminate the overhead of the desktop environment |
| [07:36:15] | clever: | luux: exactly |
| [07:36:39] | Dagmar: | luux: On a 16g thumbdrive that's entirely SMT components? |
| [07:36:46] | luux: | some flash stick might carry with the switch |
| [07:36:47] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, i don't think there's much stress on the frontend |
| [07:36:49] | Dagmar: | Sure if I wanted to replace firmware and chips |
| [07:37:01] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: It's not about system load |
| [07:37:16] | Dagmar: | If you're not getting a display, and you're getting no errors, it means the display is _going somewherE_ |
| [07:37:23] | Dagmar: | Where that "somewhere" is is the mystery |
| [07:37:42] | Dagmar: | It might have lost it's mind with the fronend profile and think it's supposed to use a window that's 0x0 |
| [07:37:49] | clever: | Dagmar: http://meuk.spritesserver.nl/foto/foto/misc5/IMG_1952.JPG |
| [07:37:50] | abqjp: | jst, sorry, I thought you where someone else. Confusing when there is a jst and a jst_home and they are different people. |
| [07:37:54] | Dagmar: | It might be off the right-hand edge of the screen |
| [07:38:06] | clever: | Dagmar: the guy in this case was hacking an encrypted usb stick |
| [07:38:21] | clever: | and by hard-wiring the write protect on, he locked it at 5 tries left until self destruct |
| [07:38:30] | clever: | software encryption on the cpu is totaly useless:P |
| [07:38:38] | AndyCap: | clever: encrypted is stretching it |
| [07:38:54] | clever: | AndyCap: its basicaly a plain old stick with software pre-installed on it |
| [07:38:58] | Dagmar: | clever: Problem #1. The hardware has to _support_ the feature |
| [07:39:13] | AndyCap: | clever: password "protected" |
| [07:39:20] | Dagmar: | Problem #2. Write protection doesn't generally involve a self-destruct unless you have miswired something |
| [07:39:45] | clever: | Dagmar: the encryption software was designed to self-destruct if you get the pw wrong 6 times in a row |
| [07:39:51] | clever: | and was storing that count on the flash |
| [07:40:01] | Dagmar: | I guess he hasn't heard of imaging |
| [07:40:07] | AndyCap: | and didn't use encryption. |
| [07:40:15] | clever: | http://spritesmods.com/?art=secustick |
| [07:40:30] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: of a 16gb flash surface mount drive? |
| [07:40:35] | Dagmar: | So what does this have to do in the least with common sandisk cruzers? |
| [07:40:54] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, so how can i tell it to just appear on my display and not any other? |
| [07:40:56] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: This is a 'clever' problem. You know better than to just back away |
| [07:41:07] | clever: | Dagmar: they probly share similar flash chips, which include write-protect pins |
| [07:41:17] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend MIGHT make something useful happen |
| [07:41:20] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: odds are good that you have a write enable line on your random memory stick |
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| [07:41:34] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: If it's a configuration issue you might try cheating a little. Change the machine's name, reboot, launch again |
| [07:41:48] | Dagmar: | It'll likely get a default profile which might not be mucked up |
| [07:42:11] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: So what's this got to do with making the manufacturer ship them with the switch on them? |
| [07:42:32] | clever: | Dagmar: dont even have to reboot, just change the hostname override in config.xml or mysql.txt |
| [07:42:47] | Dagmar: | I didnt' say "I want to spend hours looking up which things to solder together and scrounging up my magnifiers and sharpening a spare soldering tip so that I don't melt everything" |
| [07:42:56] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, sorry i'm going to need a few commands to get that happening, or is it all in the gui? |
| [07:43:08] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: nothing, everything to do with solving your problem, but sure if you want manufacturers to ship with expensive switches again, you should probably talk to them |
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| [07:43:28] | Dagmar: | I fail to see how a spst is expensive |
| [07:43:44] | clever: | Dagmar: wait until you have to buy 2000 of them |
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| [07:43:52] | clever: | it adds up |
| [07:44:01] | Dagmar: | Their cost would still be dwarfed by the cost of 2000 flash chips |
| [07:44:50] | luux: | 3TB is ok for mythtv? |
| [07:44:51] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: expensive in therms of how much of the profit margin it would eat up for something most people don't use and that will cause a lot of expensive support calls |
| [07:45:06] | wagnerrp: | luux: depends on what you want it for |
| [07:45:14] | luux: | for recording. |
| [07:45:19] | wagnerrp: | ive got roughly 6TB and am running out |
| [07:45:25] | luux: | oO |
| [07:45:28] | luux: | oh man |
| [07:45:32] | Dagmar: | luux: You'll know in a week or three |
| [07:45:37] | wagnerrp: | i know a couple users on here who are pushing 5TB of recordings alone |
| [07:45:48] | Dagmar: | 'cuz no matter what it's going to take a little while to fill 3Tb |
| [07:45:58] | wagnerrp: | comes in here talking about new shows hes watching that aired two years ago |
| [07:45:58] | clever: | ive got 1tb and my dad says i dont need another 1tb drive:P |
| [07:46:15] | luux: | lol |
| [07:46:20] | wagnerrp: | i would agree with him |
| [07:46:21] | AndyCap: | luux: are you going to be a packrat or someone who just uses autoexpire without mercy |
| [07:46:27] | wagnerrp: | 1.5s are cheaper per GB |
| [07:46:31] | luux: | parents usually are clueless about tech. |
| [07:46:41] | clever: | luux: yes |
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| [07:46:54] | luux: | AndyCap: don't know yet, have to set up all over. |
| [07:47:07] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: I've no idea what clever was talkign about with an override in mythtv.txt as I have never used that file |
| [07:47:33] | luux: | it's hilarious whatching mothers going shopping a game for their kids. |
| [07:47:47] | wagnerrp: | the only 'override' in mythtv.txt (and now config.xml) is one to force a identifier to use other than the hostname |
| [07:47:58] | Dagmar: | Well fess up man |
| [07:48:06] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, ok i had no idea that it's a bad idea to be using that. what should i do instead? |
| [07:48:18] | Dagmar: | UNless you have any other ideas as to how this dude could be spawning mythfrontend with no errors, but no sign of the app appearing |
| [07:48:26] | Dagmar: | Bad idea to be using what? |
| [07:48:32] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: only 8Gb though: http://www.imation.com/en-us/Imation-Products . . . Flash-Drive/ |
| [07:49:05] | wagnerrp: | just do something like '--geometry 640x480+0+0 --windowed' |
| [07:49:14] | wagnerrp: | myth will pop up in the top left of your screen |
| [07:49:22] | Dagmar: | Worth a shot |
| [07:49:23] | wagnerrp: | and even if for some reason, you dont have that area of your screen |
| [07:49:35] | Dagmar: | I figured mythfrontend might just be overriding that |
| [07:49:37] | wagnerrp: | it will at least show up as a task bar entry, and your WM should have some manner of moving it |
| [07:49:39] | beatbreak: | ok i'll try that |
| [07:49:55] | luux: | avs forums got guides for creating monster media servers. |
| [07:50:06] | luux: | all from off the shelve |
| [07:50:27] | wagnerrp: | the people on AVSforum are following different guidelines from people running mythtv |
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| [07:50:36] | Dagmar: | ...and there's a lot of them that are buying gear to a degree thta makes you think they might be overcompensating |
| [07:50:45] | luux: | ah ok |
| [07:50:58] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m434d3685 |
| [07:50:58] | wagnerrp: | they are designing largely read-only, idle storage |
| [07:51:00] | beatbreak: | nope |
| [07:51:04] | luux: | what you think about btrfs subvolumes? |
| [07:51:14] | Dagmar: | I have a 500Tb drive here in my Myth box which is it's _only_ drive at the moment, and the lack of space which would make me hurry up on the "real" fileserver has yet to happen |
| [07:51:16] | wagnerrp: | which is perfectly fine to just shove a massive raid5/6 somewhere and forget about |
| [07:51:27] | Dagmar: | Then again, I let autoexpire have it's way and I'm recording in SD |
| [07:51:34] | luux: | 500TB?? bs |
| [07:51:39] | wagnerrp: | myth's recording prefer completely independent drives |
| [07:51:42] | Dagmar: | Sorry, 500Gb |
| [07:51:52] | wagnerrp: | one folder, one filesystem per drive |
| [07:51:59] | wagnerrp: | managed by storage groups |
| [07:52:00] | beatbreak: | lol 500tb |
| [07:52:14] | Dagmar: | I'm pushing close to 4Tb on the main fileserver |
| [07:52:20] | clever: | audiooutputalsa.cpp:109: error: ‘SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE’ was not declared in this scope |
| [07:52:24] | Dagmar: | Just having some issues getting the damn sataII controller stabilized |
| [07:52:30] | clever: | cant seem to get the latest version of mythtv to compile anymore |
| [07:52:43] | luux: | my goal is fill all sata holes on this mobo, 8TB |
| [07:52:52] | Dagmar: | clever: Did you upgrade the alsa packages external to the kernel? |
| [07:52:54] | wagnerrp: | you only have four SATA ports? |
| [07:53:01] | clever: | Dagmar: nope |
| [07:53:02] | wagnerrp: | that one of those Atom boards? |
| [07:53:29] | clever: | #include <alsa/asoundlib.h> |
| [07:53:35] | clever: | Dagmar: its expecting to find it there? |
| [07:53:52] | Dagmar: | It's expecting to find it in your include path |
| [07:54:02] | Dagmar: | You might want to check to be sure there's not more than one of those floating around |
| [07:54:20] | Dagmar: | In THEORY it'll be in /usr/include as /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h |
| [07:54:33] | luux: | I am using 1TB drives. I wait for 2TB drives and 6GB interface. |
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| [07:54:40] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.8K 2008-03–12 02:09 /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h |
| [07:55:06] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m6a1b766e |
| [07:55:10] | beatbreak: | that good? |
| [07:55:18] | wagnerrp: | luux: theres nothing 'amazingly fantastic' about subvolumes |
| [07:55:21] | clever: | Dagmar: 'grep SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_RESAMPLE -r /usr/include' didnt find a single result |
| [07:55:29] | wagnerrp: | its just a nice little feature that makes management a bit easier |
| [07:55:41] | luux: | wagnerrp: exactly |
| [07:55:41] | Dagmar: | Yep. Makes me wonder where the heck it's supposed to be coming from |
| [07:55:50] | luux: | btrfs has an elegant design |
| [07:55:59] | Dagmar: | It's not defined in my ALSA headers either, but I'm still not done preparing for 0.22 |
| [07:56:00] | wagnerrp: | ive got a crapton of them on my ZFS volumes |
| [07:56:07] | wagnerrp: | for no other reason than i can |
| [07:56:25] | wagnerrp: | if i couldnt because that wasnt available, it wouldnt really affect me all that much |
| [07:56:30] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, any more ideas? did you stuggest a different user account? |
| [07:56:36] | Dagmar: | clever: You really gotta start throwing these things at GOogle |
| [07:56:37] | luux: | wagnerrp: how you finding zfs so far for massive storage? |
| [07:56:37] | Dagmar: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/402544 |
| [07:56:48] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: Did you try what wagnerrp suggested? |
| [07:56:58] | Dagmar: | Changing to a different user account should change nothing |
| [07:57:04] | clever: | Dagmar: didnt think to check |
| [07:57:06] | wagnerrp: | works well enough for me, although im not using it for raid |
| [07:57:14] | wagnerrp: | ive got a hardware raid6 card for that |
| [07:57:23] | Dagmar: | If X were refusing the connection, mythfrontend would tell you to bugger off and exit |
| [07:57:38] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, i didn't see it, |
| [07:57:51] | Dagmar: | Scroll up a bit |
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| [07:58:01] | Dagmar: | clever: Looks like you need 1.0.16 alsa or newer |
| [07:58:12] | Dagmar: | Pretty easy to build the non-kernel parts of it tho |
| [07:58:17] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, oh "geometery" yeah that doesn't work either |
| [07:58:33] | Dagmar: | breakbeat: Yeah so at this point, I'm thinking a good baptism might help |
| [07:58:38] | clever: | Version: 1.0.15–3ubuntu4 |
| [07:58:41] | luux: | mm.. #opensolaris discourage the use of raid controllers, and zfs, if I am not mistaken, got raid6 built in. |
| [07:58:41] | clever: | dang, so close! |
| [07:58:45] | Dagmar: | Pagan style. |
| [07:58:54] | Dagmar: | Nothing like a bath in saltwater to chase those evils out of a case |
| [07:59:04] | Dagmar: | (dont do that I'm bein sarcastic) |
| [07:59:09] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, hummmmm reinstall from scratch? |
| [07:59:23] | Dagmar: | beatbreak: if you have that option, I'd just go download MythBuntu |
| [07:59:28] | wagnerrp: | luux: they can suggest all they want, it doesnt harm anything |
| [07:59:41] | wagnerrp: | you just miss out on a couple of ZFS's higher end features |
| [07:59:48] | beatbreak: | Dagmar, i'm using mythbuntu, i installed it today |
| [07:59:59] | beatbreak: | i can reinstall if that's what you mean |
| [08:00:00] | Dagmar: | Ah then a reinstall |
| [08:00:06] | clever: | Dagmar: i'll look into switching my mythtv systems over to gentoo and just keep running this old version till then |
| [08:00:10] | wagnerrp: | bit correction, dynamic slice sizes, and the like |
| [08:00:13] | Dagmar: | Maybe whatever went wrong won't manifest this time |
| [08:00:39] | Dagmar: | If it *does* you should post to the mythbuntu mailing list and ask |
| [08:00:40] | wagnerrp: | on the plus side, i have a raid controller that can resize volumes |
| [08:00:45] | Dagmar: | Someone else is SURELY to have encountered it |
| [08:00:58] | Dagmar: | ...cuz that's really just a bizarre problem |
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| [08:01:10] | luux: | wagnerrp: interesting, there's a program for you cotnroller? |
| [08:01:20] | wagnerrp: | nope, none at all |
| [08:01:31] | wagnerrp: | my controller has an ethernet jack plugged into it |
| [08:01:52] | luux: | oO? |
| [08:01:56] | luux: | for what? |
| [08:02:00] | wagnerrp: | no need for proxying through drivers, no need for command line tools |
| [08:02:09] | wagnerrp: | i pull up a web broswer and tinker with my arrays at will |
| [08:02:14] | clever: | config it just like a router!? |
| [08:02:16] | luux: | oh |
| [08:02:20] | luux: | crazy |
| [08:02:30] | clever: | very cross platform |
| [08:02:40] | clever: | you could probly even repair the array from a 2nd box when it aint booting |
| [08:02:50] | wagnerrp: | regardless of the state of the operating OS |
| [08:03:01] | clever: | yep |
| [08:03:06] | wagnerrp: | once the machine POSTs, the page is online |
| [08:03:08] | Dagmar: | Note that this is a somewhat _pricey_ option |
| [08:03:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i got a 'deal' at $600 |
| [08:04:46] | clever: | i would rather just use some bloody software raid |
| [08:06:27] | luux: | that's what zfs ppl say, that controllers is dead tech. |
| [08:06:58] | luux: | all raid types are being incorporated into filesystems nowadays. Even LVM. |
| [08:07:33] | clever: | even FAT had some raid in it:P |
| [08:07:45] | clever: | it had 2 (or more) copies of the FAT table |
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| [08:12:23] | beatbreak: | let me know if there's anything else i should add to that report http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8490099#post8490099 |
| [08:13:09] | wagnerrp: | have you tried those options, but running 'mythfrontend.real'? |
| [08:14:49] | beatbreak: | wagnerrp, no i'll try it |
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| [08:17:29] | beatbreak: | http://pastebin.com/m37cc0e9f still fail, does that output help? |
| [08:19:04] | beatbreak: | humm i'm trying off a mythbuntu 9.04 live cd and i can't get mythfrontend to run either |
| [08:19:31] | Dagmar: | Okay, so contact the mythbuntu guys on their mailing list then I suppose |
| [08:19:35] | Dagmar: | SOmething's definitely wrong with it |
| [08:19:37] | luux: | try knoppix mythtv |
| [08:20:02] | luux: | try a distro that specifically allows to run mythtv off a liveCD |
| [08:20:10] | luux: | else is fail |
| [08:20:10] | beatbreak: | well it makes me think now that maybe it can't connect to a port or something |
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| [08:20:41] | beatbreak: | luux, it used to work straight off the live cd but now after the upgrade to 0.22 it won't |
| [08:20:50] | jst: | anyone here use comcast? looks like they're moving a lot of their analog channels to digital |
| [08:21:24] | beatbreak: | i don't know if all the necessary ports are open, how can i check if port 6546 is open (and do i need it?) |
| [08:34:33] | jst: | beatbreak, telnet ipaddress port? |
| [08:36:30] | beatbreak: | jst, i dunno, how do i find that out? |
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| [08:37:55] | jst: | $ telnet 192.168.1.2 3306 |
| [08:38:05] | jst: | Trying 192.168.1.2... |
| [08:38:05] | jst: | Connected to 192.168.1.2. |
| [08:38:05] | jst: | Escape character is '^]'. |
| [08:38:05] | jst: | = |
| [08:38:05] | jst: | 5.1.37–1ubuntu5)ou~9?oX<aWmA<H6ui1^CConnection closed by foreign host. |
| [08:38:19] | jst: | replace 192.168.1.2 with the ip address of your backend to make sure it's up... you should get output like that |
| [08:38:49] | beatbreak: | why not ssh? |
| [08:40:04] | beatbreak: | i'm pretty sure the ssh connections work, and vnc works too |
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| [08:40:22] | jst: | wow, what was that? |
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| [09:23:32] | trumee: | how can i increase the buffer size for vdpau? |
| [09:24:03] | trumee: | this page http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . &page=53 suggest it is det to 6 by default, where is this setting? |
| [09:39:10] | Gumby`: | trumee: try google increase mythtv buffer size |
| [09:39:26] | trumee: | Gumby`, yup sorted it out. |
| [09:39:32] | Gumby`: | I think that page is saying to increase your mythtv buffer size and that it is not a vdpau issue at all |
| [09:39:37] | Gumby`: | cool |
| [09:42:20] | trumee: | Gumby`, not had to increase the vdpaubuffersize in the filer section. |
| [09:48:35] | jst: | anyone here use comcast or DTA boxes? |
| [09:57:17] | mchou: | jst: stb, but not dta |
| [09:57:36] | mchou: | jst: whats the issue? |
| [09:57:55] | jst: | well, i'm about to move to an area that has either comcast or fios... so i am going with comcast |
| [09:58:15] | jst: | i'm wondering if i can even still request a DTA box... on their web site, it looks like you can only order digital service |
| [09:58:20] | mchou: | jst: zip code of new area? |
| [09:58:26] | jst: | 20707 |
| [09:58:35] | mchou: | jst: hold on |
| [09:58:40] | jst: | sure, thank you |
| [10:00:25] | mchou: | jst: comcast channel lineup there looks good |
| [10:00:40] | mchou: | 191 channels in the clear :) |
| [10:01:00] | jst: | where did you look that up at? |
| [10:01:05] | mchou: | not all HD, of course |
| [10:01:10] | jst: | homerunhd? |
| [10:01:15] | mchou: | yup |
| [10:02:02] | jst: | well, there are a few channels that i want in particular |
| [10:02:11] | jst: | discovery, history, speed |
| [10:02:20] | jst: | and comcast if phasing out analog |
| [10:02:22] | mchou: | forget it man |
| [10:02:25] | jst: | so i know i have to get this DTA |
| [10:02:41] | jst: | and use an ir blaster |
| [10:02:43] | jst: | forget it? :( |
| [10:03:04] | mchou: | you wont get those channels in HD (not in the clear anyways) |
| [10:03:32] | mchou: | disc & hist is in the clear for SD |
| [10:03:58] | jst: | they may be for now, but they are switching everything to digital |
| [10:04:12] | jst: | or at least that's what i'm reading... here let me find this link for you |
| [10:04:20] | mchou: | those ARE digital |
| [10:04:52] | mchou: | it's SD, transmitted digitally |
| [10:04:58] | jst: | in the clear? |
| [10:05:03] | mchou: | yup |
| [10:05:11] | jst: | where do you see that? |
| [10:05:16] | mchou: | oh lord |
| [10:05:24] | mchou: | hdhr web site |
| [10:05:33] | mchou: | you just asked me |
| [10:05:39] | jst: | right, i'm looking at it |
| [10:05:44] | jst: | all i see are PBS, ABC, CBS, etc. |
| [10:05:55] | mchou: | sigh |
| [10:05:55] | jst: | i don't see disc and hist on there |
| [10:06:02] | mchou: | select "Comcast" |
| [10:06:51] | luux: | just finished installing mythtv and the whole shebang |
| [10:06:53] | jst: | all i see is a place to enter my zip code |
| [10:07:02] | jst: | (on hdhr's web site) |
| [10:07:12] | mchou: | right, so enter it |
| [10:07:15] | jst: | DOH |
| [10:07:18] | jst: | it's above it |
| [10:07:19] | jst: | :-X |
| [10:07:30] | jst: | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [10:07:32] | jst: | MY GOD |
| [10:07:36] | jst: | BEAUTIFUL |
| [10:08:24] | jst: | thank you |
| [10:08:40] | jst: | i'm sure i'll either have to fuck w/ the DTA and/or buy an HDHR though |
| [10:08:47] | mchou: | nope |
| [10:09:13] | luux: | chill with the swearing |
| [10:09:16] | mchou: | any clear qam tuner with driver support should work |
| [10:09:18] | jst: | my b |
| [10:09:25] | jst: | are you sure... look at this post: http://regx.dgswa.com/html/Comacast_DTA-and_MythTV |
| [10:09:39] | mchou: | sure I'm sure |
| [10:09:52] | mchou: | that's right from the hdhr web site |
| [10:10:03] | mchou: | how the hell they getting it? |
| [10:10:05] | jst: | ok |
| [10:10:09] | jst: | yeah |
| [10:10:19] | jst: | i wonder why comcast hasn't blocked those channels eh? |
| [10:10:23] | jst: | err encrypted |
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| [10:10:47] | mchou: | they are giving everyone a reprieve |
| [10:11:06] | mchou: | they might eventually block them |
| [10:11:28] | mchou: | but for now that's how they get everyone to move over to digital |
| [10:11:38] | mchou: | kind of an incentive |
| [10:12:05] | mchou: | comcast SD digital sucks anyways |
| [10:12:11] | mchou: | overcompressed |
| [10:13:07] | jst: | i bet |
| [10:13:20] | jst: | not to mention their quotas on data transfers |
| [10:14:20] | mchou: | if you're hitting their quotas you are most likely infringing on copyright material |
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| [10:14:39] | mchou: | cause there's no way I've even come close |
| [10:15:33] | mchou: | and I count myself as a pretty heavy inet user |
| [10:19:41] | jst: | yeah |
| [10:19:56] | jst: | are you guys sure about being able to receive clearqam easily? |
| [10:19:56] | jst: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cab . . . SA/Canada%29 |
| [10:20:00] | jst: | look at the first note |
| [10:20:32] | mchou: | dude, stop being such a worry wart |
| [10:20:47] | mchou: | stuff works beautifully |
| [10:21:12] | mchou: | just invest in a few cheap qam tuners |
| [10:21:18] | jst: | i already have |
| [10:21:21] | jst: | i have an 1800 and 1600 |
| [10:21:25] | jst: | and i'm about to move |
| [10:21:33] | mchou: | then you have nothing to worry about |
| [10:21:34] | jst: | and i just want to make sure this works without having to buy a bunch of other stuff |
| [10:21:42] | mchou: | 1600 sucks |
| [10:21:48] | jst: | no, 1800 sucks |
| [10:21:53] | jst: | 1600 does ntsc and atsc fine |
| [10:21:58] | jst: | 1800 does only atsc |
| [10:21:58] | mchou: | it's a sick joke for a digital tuner |
| [10:22:43] | jst: | ohh i think it finally clicked |
| [10:22:48] | jst: | maybe because it's 5:22 am |
| [10:22:53] | jst: | maybe because i'm functionally retarded |
| [10:23:06] | jst: | i don't need one of those dtas since i am already digital |
| [10:23:12] | jst: | i just don't get why it's all over myth's web site |
| [10:23:12] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:23:18] | jst: | Adding Digital Cable Channels (For ATSC/QAM Tuner Cards — USA/Canada) |
| [10:23:24] | jst: | NOTE COMCAST USERS |
| [10:23:37] | jst: | they already have atsc/qam, why would they have special instructions? |
| [10:23:56] | mchou: | cause folks who post wikis are dumb |
| [10:24:12] | mchou: | race to the bottom |
| [10:24:30] | mchou: | darwinism in reverse |
| [10:25:11] | jst: | yeah, that was confusing as hell |
| [10:25:17] | jst: | especially the guy drawing up schematics |
| [10:25:22] | jst: | presumably he only had an ntsc tuner |
| [10:25:24] | jst: | otherwise wtf? |
| [10:25:40] | jst: | one last question for you, my man |
| [10:26:12] | jst: | how come hdhr has comcast listed as having 41 and 191 channels... different tiers? do they install traps? |
| [10:26:42] | mchou: | beats me what's going on there |
| [10:27:01] | mchou: | the richer neighborhood must get fewer channels |
| [10:27:17] | mchou: | cause smarter folks watch less TV |
| [10:27:21] | mchou: | :) |
| [10:27:32] | jst: | or maybe one is outdated since they switched to DTA :) |
| [10:27:36] | jst: | who the hell knows, what a mess |
| [10:27:39] | jst: | only comcast |
| [10:28:06] | jst: | maybe i'll just get antenna |
| [10:28:25] | jst: | but seriously, i don't watch crap that comes on major networks... discovery, history, science, a&e, etc. FTW |
| [10:28:33] | mchou: | bah |
| [10:28:46] | mchou: | major networks have some good programming |
| [10:28:52] | mchou: | House MD for one |
| [10:29:01] | mchou: | on FOX, of all places |
| [10:29:39] | jst: | but speeeeeeeeeed man |
| [10:29:42] | jst: | f1 and nascar |
| [10:29:46] | mchou: | faux news is pretty bad, but they do have good programming |
| [10:29:56] | clever: | jst: skittles in a toilet, thats all nascar is:P |
| [10:29:56] | jst: | yup, red eye at 3:00 a.m. |
| [10:30:08] | jst: | hahaha i know but i like watching that and f1 especially |
| [10:30:11] | mchou: | haha |
| [10:30:17] | mchou: | danica patrick |
| [10:30:21] | jst: | red eye is the greatest show on tv |
| [10:30:53] | mchou: | never even heard of it |
| [10:31:00] | jst: | dude, you're missing out |
| [10:31:04] | jst: | especially if you call them faux news |
| [10:31:10] | jst: | i'm assuming you're liberal |
| [10:31:13] | jst: | fucking hannity |
| [10:31:18] | jst: | i can stomach o'reilly |
| [10:31:22] | jst: | red eye (3:00 a.m.) is hilarious |
| [10:31:35] | jst: | they have a libertarian and a liberal and they're hilarious |
| [10:31:48] | jst: | you can watch some on hulu, but it's never current |
| [10:32:18] | mchou: | dude, faux news has nothing to do with liberal or conservative |
| [10:32:46] | mchou: | it's entertainment, dont mistake it for "news" |
| [10:33:03] | mchou: | or journalism, for that matter |
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| [10:34:31] | jst: | i don't |
| [10:34:36] | jst: | i get my news from pbs newshour |
| [10:34:44] | jst: | msnbc is a joke |
| [10:34:46] | jst: | fox is a joke |
| [10:34:56] | jst: | cnn is lame and tries too hard to be edgy these days |
| [10:35:10] | mchou: | a "news" organization with Rodger Ailes is best described as a propaganda machine |
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| [10:39:48] | jst: | http://regx.dgswa.com/html/system/files/u1/co . . . _Diagram.png |
| [10:39:50] | jst: | seriously, i can't get over this |
| [10:40:00] | jst: | what the fuck is the point... buy a clear qam tuner and be done with it |
| [10:40:09] | jst: | whoops, sorry about the language |
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| [10:41:11] | mchou: | the dude who owns that site needs an attitude adjustment |
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| [10:41:43] | mchou: | wanna be geek a few tacos shy of a combo plate |
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| [10:43:20] | mchou: | jst: my question is why you were swayed by him anyways |
| [10:43:48] | jst: | pretty graphics? :) |
| [10:44:01] | jst: | i didn't know if the DTA was decrypting or not |
| [10:44:04] | jst: | looks like it's not |
| [10:44:16] | mchou: | he showed you his bare breasts? :) |
| [10:44:43] | jst: | that and think about it... wouldn't people w/ digital TVs just order standard basic and get the entire digital package since it's now being sent in the clear? |
| [10:44:48] | jst: | why would anyone order digital service? |
| [10:45:02] | jst: | unless they use traps |
| [10:45:46] | mchou: | you get digital service so you can get DiscHD |
| [10:45:52] | mchou: | as an example |
| [10:46:13] | mchou: | that's not transmitted in the clear |
| [10:46:42] | jst: | yeah |
| [10:47:26] | mchou: | that's yet another reason why comcast overcompressed SD |
| [10:47:57] | mchou: | they give it away for free but the quality is so damn bad it's unwatchable |
| [10:48:38] | mchou: | it's ends up being an ad for their HD tier |
| [10:48:59] | jst: | yikes |
| [10:49:10] | jst: | i don't think i could give up mythtv |
| [10:49:11] | mchou: | same concept as movie trailers on the internet |
| [10:49:14] | jst: | comskipping is too good |
| [10:49:36] | jst: | cablecard with w7mc is an option, but comskipping is a mess and it actually cuts the recordings so you better hope it gets it right |
| [10:50:58] | luux: | mm.. question |
| [10:51:07] | jst: | push comes to shove i'll just get an hdpvr |
| [10:51:19] | luux: | does mythtv compile with gcc 4.4? I making a move |
| [10:51:21] | mchou: | jst: why? |
| [10:51:38] | mchou: | jst: just go with netflix |
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| [10:53:13] | mchou: | luux: presumably |
| [10:53:25] | luux: | k thanks |
| [10:53:45] | mchou: | luux: my distro mythtv package was apparently compiled with 4.4 |
| [10:54:55] | luux: | nice :) |
| [10:57:16] | jst: | mchou, not really that interested in streaming movies |
| [10:57:30] | jst: | mchou, if netflix had live tv like speed... i'd be all over it |
| [10:57:40] | mchou: | jst: who mentioned anything about streaming? |
| [10:58:00] | mchou: | jst: rent it on bluray |
| [10:58:29] | jst: | i don't want to rent/stream movies... i am mostly just interested in watching discovery, history, speed, etc. |
| [10:58:41] | jst: | all channels that i can't get OTA or on hulu or netflix ya know? |
| [10:59:18] | mchou: | all documentaries on Disc and history are avail at my local library |
| [10:59:34] | mchou: | presuably at netflix too |
| [10:59:44] | mchou: | presumably* |
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| [11:47:13] | flexy: | I'm running 0.22-fixes, with mythmusic. I've ripped my cd collection to flacs. Some of the files fail to play with mythmusic. How can I debug this? |
| [11:48:05] | mzb: | jst, just run commflag as "notify" ... might work better for you |
| [11:48:11] | flexy: | and it seems that it's not individual files, but albums. |
| [11:48:29] | mzb: | -v |
| [11:48:46] | flexy: | I tried with other software, that album plays just fine. |
| [11:48:54] | mzb: | -v |
| [11:49:40] | flexy: | -v all? |
| [11:49:49] | mzb: | \-v all (if desperate) |
| [11:50:14] | flexy: | right |
| [11:50:16] | mzb: | -v help to find the options |
| [11:51:45] | mzb: | all will probably give the error (but likely to be buried in the rest of the debug;)) |
| [11:53:38] | mzb: | ps: can't give you real advice as all my music is now by music videos played by custom script |
| [11:53:54] | flexy: | wtf... |
| [11:54:11] | mzb: | 1500 and growing ;) |
| [11:54:16] | flexy: | Could not open file /media/path/to/.flac |
| [11:54:43] | mzb: | doesn't sound like a good sign |
| [11:55:03] | mzb: | but at least you have an error to debug ;)) |
| [11:55:38] | flexy: | play 'copy&paste' says play FAIL formats, can't open input file 'kasvot.flac' and that input file name is shortened by more than half of the filename |
| [11:56:08] | flexy: | I tried again with play "copy&paste" ie. added " marks around the pasted text |
| [11:56:11] | mzb: | beyond me ... good luck |
| [11:56:18] | flexy: | no such file or directory |
| [11:56:35] | flexy: | play (manually added filename) works |
| [11:56:43] | mzb: | no special chars in name or dirname? |
| [11:56:53] | flexy: | could the filename be wrongly parsed somewhere |
| [11:57:10] | flexy: | album name has ä sign |
| [11:57:15] | flexy: | letter |
| [11:58:21] | mzb: | rsync -a into exact same directory *less* special chars and see if it will play |
| [11:58:22] | flexy: | I changed that album name in the filesystem, without that letter |
| [11:58:41] | flexy: | updated music database, it still searches at the same dir |
| [11:58:57] | flexy: | does it get the path name from the id tag? |
| [11:59:14] | flexy: | ok |
| [11:59:53] | mzb: | err... I think you might find that it depends on how often it's rescanned (hence copy/rsync suggestion) |
| [12:00:27] | flexy: | I rescanned it manually. forced that in the menu |
| [12:00:46] | flexy: | that should do it immediately? |
| [12:01:00] | mzb: | it's quite possible that mythmusic doesn't like special chars (certainly some portions of myth that don't [from experience]) |
| [12:01:01] | flexy: | setup/music tools/scan for new music |
| [12:01:25] | mzb: | not sure ... haven't used it for > 12 mths |
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| [12:01:42] | flexy: | still, it's a bit odd, some other music plays fine with the same chars in the filename |
| [12:01:51] | mzb: | (not the best person to ask;)) |
| [12:01:55] | flexy: | :) |
| [12:02:18] | mzb: | sorry ... best I can suggest |
| [12:02:39] | mzb: | "remove dodgy variables" ;) |
| [12:02:58] | flexy: | yeah, just trying the rsync -a trick |
| [12:03:07] | mzb: | k |
| [12:04:46] | mzb: | I've only being using mythtv for a couple of years, but I've found a few weird things and found dodgy ways around them |
| [12:05:03] | flexy: | now I have the original dir and the rsynced dir (album name) in the artist name -directory |
| [12:05:21] | flexy: | and scanning does not find the artist anymore... :I |
| [12:05:51] | flexy: | several years here too. only option to watch tv, several years... |
| [12:06:09] | mzb: | although I used music a lot to start with I've now got enough music videos to make (the current incarnation of) mythmusic redundant for my purpose |
| [12:07:17] | mzb: | I've found many of the plugin/components to have issues with pathnames |
| [12:08:29] | flexy: | wtf... that rsync -a trick did it. when rescanning eventually found the dir |
| [12:08:37] | mzb: | I can't think of an effective way of debugging it ... maybe move the old dir out of the way? |
| [12:08:41] | mzb: | hehe |
| [12:08:47] | flexy: | yeah |
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| [12:09:05] | flexy: | that I'll do. WAF jumped up a notch. :) |
| [12:09:12] | ** mzb does a rain dance ;) ** | |
| [12:09:25] | \pub\bash0r: | hi |
| [12:09:32] | ** flexy offers a beer to mzb :) ** | |
| [12:09:42] | \pub\bash0r: | I recently updated to mythtv 0.22 and noticed, that there are only widescreen themes for mythfrontend left |
| [12:09:49] | \pub\bash0r: | are there somewhere still "normal" themes? |
| [12:09:50] | jst: | weird bug i'm experiencing... if i have audio going from another program (say firefox, vlc, whatever), as soon as i launch mythfrontend, it kills sound in the other program... i've even set myth's audio device to NULL and it still does this... any ideas? |
| [12:10:00] | mzb: | flexy, thanks, I'll top up the current one ;) |
| [12:10:29] | jst: | do i need to set up pulse audio so it can share? |
| [12:10:32] | mzb: | \pub\bash0r, mythcentre |
| [12:10:35] | mzb: | \pub\bash0r, mythcenter |
| [12:10:55] | mzb: | jst, ubuntu? |
| [12:11:24] | jst: | yeah |
| [12:11:31] | \pub\bash0r: | mzb: that's gone too – and a quick search turned up that it was moved to "oldthemes" in svn since it's not working correctly anymore |
| [12:11:42] | mzb: | jst, hmm, well I can tell you it's possible |
| [12:12:47] | mzb: | jst, I have one frontend that's multiseat. It has two sound cards, two screens, etc ... either seat can play mythtv fe ... so I know it works |
| [12:13:19] | jst: | yeah, never had this problem before |
| [12:13:20] | jst: | strange |
| [12:13:26] | jst: | time to head to bed, see ya guys later |
| [12:13:29] | jst: | thanks for your help, mzb |
| [12:13:29] | flexy: | what's up in trunk nowadays? I've used trunk perhaps 6m before 0.22 was released. Now I'm thinking going that way again... |
| [12:13:36] | mzb: | HOW it works ... umm ... it's been a long day ... so you'll have to be very specific! ;) |
| [12:13:49] | mzb: | np jst |
| [12:14:57] | mzb: | flexy, I asked for WAF before 0.22 was released, explaining how "software trees [branches+trunks]" worked |
| [12:15:16] | mzb: | we've been running trunk for >12 mths ? |
| [12:15:39] | flexy: | right. |
| [12:15:44] | mzb: | she said something like "well, it works most of the time ... up to you" |
| [12:15:55] | mzb: | so we're still on trunk ;) |
| [12:16:16] | mzb: | but I install 0.22-fixes for friends/clients |
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| [12:17:18] | mzb: | I've written a dead-simple script that updates me when required (almost tempted to cron it;)) |
| [12:17:26] | mzb: | so it's all easy |
| [12:18:03] | mzb: | and I've got a few "special effects" that make it worthwhile;) |
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| [12:18:24] | mzb: | eg: lights dim when playing, and restore at end |
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| [12:19:16] | mzb: | and LCD: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . t_result.jpg |
| [12:20:06] | mzb: | (adds to WAF .. handy to have WAF++ when things "aren't quite right") ;))) |
| [12:20:55] | ** mzb withdraws everything said in case ${MY_WOMAN} reading from logland ;) ** | |
| [12:21:12] | flexy: | :) |
| [12:22:00] | mzb: | getting there slowly ... very *integrated* |
| [12:22:05] | flexy: | :D |
| [12:22:17] | flexy: | looks very nice, sounds too |
| [12:22:33] | flexy: | your setup sounds nice also :) |
| [12:22:37] | mzb: | got to the stage where "heyu" is too simple ... writing my own stuff now |
| [12:22:44] | mzb: | it's getting there |
| [12:23:04] | flexy: | I have "just" nokias n800 as a remote. otherwise pretty plain stuff. |
| [12:23:28] | mzb: | keychain remote controls, wii-remote, IR remotes, .... etc |
| [12:23:50] | mzb: | more remotes you have, the better ;))) |
| [12:23:53] | flexy: | this one is the internet tablet, with program irreco |
| [12:24:08] | mzb: | yep, know of the beastie |
| [12:24:27] | flexy: | I'm trying to get the wlan box to send ir signals. then I could manage with just one remote. the n800 |
| [12:24:28] | mzb: | would have killed >3 men for it about 20mths ago ;) |
| [12:24:36] | flexy: | :) |
| [12:24:44] | mzb: | IR is dead simple |
| [12:25:17] | mzb: | I've modified a router to do IR from it's DMZ LED ... planning on porting it to 2.6 |
| [12:25:18] | flexy: | yeah, perhaps. I have this asus wl500gp1 wlan box, it boots to debian. |
| [12:25:27] | mzb: | hehehe |
| [12:25:40] | mzb: | nice router ... I use the same as my main |
| [12:25:57] | mzb: | got *many* others too :) |
| [12:26:00] | flexy: | it has 2 serial "ports" (just TX and RX lines) |
| [12:26:25] | flexy: | yeah, it serves as printer server, torrent server, router... |
| [12:26:28] | mzb: | yep, not "true" serial ... no good for lirc transmit |
| [12:26:36] | sid3windr: | for porn |
| [12:26:47] | mzb: | *cackle* |
| [12:27:18] | ** mzb only uses his toys for "good" ;) ** | |
| [12:27:20] | flexy: | I heard from a friend, that TX with lirc could be done with just that one TX line |
| [12:27:48] | flexy: | then again, it sounds ok from the hw side... just to hook transistor and ir led to it. |
| [12:28:06] | flexy: | not so sure about the sw side. that's my weak side. :I |
| [12:28:08] | mzb: | flexy, give me a link and I'd be more likely to believe that |
| [12:28:33] | mzb: | lirc doesn't work that way, afaik |
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| [12:28:45] | flexy: | can't do that. just first hand hear say.. :) |
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| [12:28:55] | mzb: | nm |
| [12:29:50] | mzb: | sounds good in theory, but temp hacks will usually die in the long run |
| [12:30:04] | flexy: | but when you think of sending ir, it's just ones and zeroes. ie certain amount of us up and down |
| [12:30:09] | mzb: | (even if possible in the first place) |
| [12:30:23] | mzb: | yeah, but that's not how lirc works |
| [12:30:34] | flexy: | crap |
| [12:30:49] | flexy: | I have also this iguanaIR usb module |
| [12:31:05] | mzb: | it does tricks to compensate for the fact that the serial port is not actually an IR transmitter |
| [12:31:15] | flexy: | but that works perhaps 80% of the time one tries to send something |
| [12:31:45] | flexy: | right |
| [12:32:22] | flexy: | I had my laptop in service for 8 weeks, so that lirc studying stopped 8 weeks ago. |
| [12:32:38] | flexy: | asus warranty service is fast as hell, you see :) |
| [12:32:41] | mzb: | only toggling TX is not enough (keeping in mind frequency as well) |
| [12:32:51] | mzb: | :) |
| [12:33:22] | mzb: | I'm only talking from (brutal) experience ;) ... no training |
| [12:33:56] | flexy: | yeah. but I have to go now. wife expects me to go along with a visit to friends |
| [12:34:01] | mzb: | and I'm getting old enough that learning new things is starting to get difficult |
| [12:34:09] | flexy: | same here |
| [12:34:10] | mzb: | ok, have fun :) |
| [12:34:22] | mzb: | cu next time |
| [12:34:28] | flexy: | right :) |
| [12:34:32] | mzb: | kk |
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| [12:38:41] | mzb: | flexy, let me know if you want more info about (or want to play games with) small/embedded devices (inc. routers) |
| [12:38:49] | mzb: | /whois |
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| [13:15:12] | antgel: | i deleted all channels on a source and rescanned it. it asked me to insert 600-odd non-conflicting channels, which is fine, then 13 non-conflicting DVB channels. what does this actually mean? |
| [13:15:22] | antgel: | conflicting with what? |
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| [15:11:50] | Greek-Boy: | multiplexing is very different to switching |
| [15:14:03] | Greek-Boy: | the carriers of my four sat feeds dont do multiplexing but I still want the ability to able to watch/record any of the four feeds at the same time. Will I require four tuners and four DiSEqc switches? |
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| [15:25:52] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy:what do you mean by four feeds? |
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| [15:29:12] | AndyCap: | but if you have four LNB's and four tuners you would need quad or quattro LNB's and appropriate diseqc switches. I suspect quad lnb's would allow you to use the cheapest switches, but leave you with little room for expansion tuner-wise. |
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| [15:32:05] | ciphergoth: | I'm moving my MythTV setup to a new box. I'd like to set up everything afresh, *except* that I'd like to keep my old recordings. Is it enough to copy over the files and the entries in the "recorded" table, changing the hostname as appropriate>? |
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| [15:32:44] | ciphergoth: | old is 0.21 on Debian Etch, new is 0.22 on Ubuntu Karmic |
| [16:01:34] | wagnerrp: | ciphergoth: better to transfer everything, and then wipe out the 'settings' table |
| [16:03:53] | Greek-Boy: | AndyCap: Sorry if I used the wrong terminology but by four feeds I meant four different LNB's, sattelites |
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| [16:06:25] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: but how many things do you want to record at the same time? that would decide how many outputs you need on your LNB's and how many switches and tuners |
| [16:08:26] | Greek-Boy: | I want to have any combination of recording/watching four different channels from any of the four different sattelites... |
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| [16:12:10] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: four quad lnb's, four tuners and four diseqc switches with four inputs each then. :P |
| [16:12:36] | Saviq: | Greek-Boy: you have two ways to do that – four quattro LNBs and a 17/4 multiswitch (expensive), or what AndyCap said |
| [16:12:56] | Greek-Boy: | I SEE |
| [16:13:00] | Greek-Boy: | oops, sorry about caps |
| [16:13:12] | AndyCap: | and about 40 f-connectors. :> |
| [16:13:24] | Saviq: | but if you plan to expand, a 17/8 multiswitch will give you up to eight simultaneous channels (or more, when using multirec and the channels are ont he same multiplexes, but that's another pair of boots) |
| [16:13:27] | Saviq: | bbl |
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| [16:14:01] | Saviq: | Greek-Boy: yeah and get an f-connector tool |
| [16:14:09] | Saviq: | it will greatly reduce finger pain ;) |
| [16:14:14] | Greek-Boy: | sounds good... |
| [16:14:35] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: yes, no expansion with the simple and cheap solution. but you can stretch it with 8 output lnb's but you really need to check the pricing. |
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| [16:27:01] | Greek-Boy: | on four dishes I will need 16 cables? |
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| [16:47:16] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: 20. |
| [16:49:29] | Greek-Boy: | craziness |
| [16:50:40] | Greek-Boy: | :P |
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| [16:51:37] | Greek-Boy: | http://www.so-mm.de/Multiswitch-17-12-EMP-Pro . . . _p226_x2.htm |
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| [16:54:33] | highzeth: | Greek-Boy: beware of one thing, many dvb-s(2) tuners only support DiSEqC 1.0 commands, have had issues with some multiswitches due to this. |
| [16:56:13] | flexy: | I'm using mysql-query-browser to change some settings in database (can't find them in setups). table settings is open, I found what I'm looking for (VideoStartupDir and VideoArtworkDir etc)... but, editing is not allowed for that table? |
| [16:56:42] | Greek-Boy: | highzeth: Thanks for pointing this out friend |
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| [16:57:50] | flexy: | backend is stopped. I should do some unlocking? |
| [16:58:02] | highzeth: | Id start out with the cheaper solution, 4 regular 4:1 DiSEqC's, no problem to replace those 4 with a multiswitch in the future if the need for more tuners come |
| [17:00:54] | highzeth: | Greek-Boy: I couldnt agree more on getting good f-connectors & crimp tool, forget about the screw on connectors. More hassle and rubbish Q for the most part. |
| [17:05:56] | AndyCap: | highzeth: do multiswitches send the proper tone/voltage to switch a quad lnb to H/V Hi/Lo on the outputs? |
| [17:07:12] | highzeth: | it doesnt "have to", since its locked on each of the position, the multiswitch "simply" becomes a straight DiSEqC for the clients. |
| [17:07:53] | highzeth: | if that made sense? |
| [17:08:02] | AndyCap: | not really no. |
| [17:09:22] | AndyCap: | if you want to add more than 4 tuners with a multiswitch you'd have to buy new lnb's? |
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| [17:09:44] | highzeth: | was afraid of that, hehe. Its constantly switched, so one output is 18, another 13, making one head cover it all. Then the multiswitch got all sources it needs for said sat position |
| [17:10:10] | AndyCap: | or convince the multiswitch to switch the lnb outputs to the Hi/Vert Lo/Vert Hi/Horiz Lo/Horiz |
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| [17:12:43] | highzeth: | there is no convincing, the LNB is switched between high & low + tone / no tone. With a multiswitch & quad LNB's, you got all 4 constantly locked and feeding the multiswitch |
| [17:13:53] | AndyCap: | highzeth: so the multiswitch will output the right signals, and negate the need for buying quattro lnb's? |
| [17:14:57] | iamlindoro: | What satellite is this that does no multiplexing? I call horse pucky |
| [17:14:57] | highzeth: | right, you'd use quad's with any newer multiswitches atleast. There are multiswitches that only work with quattro's too, so pay attention to that |
| [17:16:51] | highzeth: | AndyCap: thats my understanding of it, how its performed is another case. I do have several multiswitches in services tho, so I know its working like that, but how.. heh ;) |
| [17:17:14] | AndyCap: | highzeth: well, if it works with quad lnb's everything is good. :P |
| [17:17:43] | highzeth: | http://file.ohhh.no/emp-centauri.jpg thats a working 9/8 EMP Centauri with quad's =) |
| [17:18:05] | Greek-Boy: | I think multiplexing doesn't always provide the flexibility that is needed |
| [17:18:27] | Greek-Boy: | unless you have a tuner per multiplex |
| [17:18:32] | iamlindoro: | Greek-Boy, I can pretty much promise you that your satellite isn't sending out 90 Megabit channels |
| [17:18:39] | iamlindoro: | What satellite? |
| [17:19:00] | Greek-Boy: | Eutelsat W4 |
| [17:19:45] | iamlindoro: | Then yes, it is most definitely all multiplexes |
| [17:20:24] | highzeth: | they all do afaik |
| [17:20:25] | Greek-Boy: | well, from what I understand a multiplex does about 10 channels? |
| [17:20:39] | iamlindoro: | Greek-Boy, the number of channels in a multiplex is totally arbitrary |
| [17:20:53] | iamlindoro: | and has to do with how they decide to engineer the transponder |
| [17:21:06] | iamlindoro: | but nobody, including that sat, sends out one channel per transponder |
| [17:21:24] | Greek-Boy: | i understand what you're saying |
| [17:21:32] | Greek-Boy: | but I get about 140 channels |
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| [17:21:46] | Greek-Boy: | from my provider |
| [17:21:48] | iamlindoro: | so? |
| [17:21:55] | AndyCap: | *cough*SCPC*cough* |
| [17:21:59] | Greek-Boy: | i'm not sure how many multiplexes these are on |
| [17:22:08] | Greek-Boy: | but i'll try to check i tout |
| [17:22:11] | Greek-Boy: | *it |
| [17:22:12] | iamlindoro: | who is your provider? |
| [17:22:27] | Greek-Boy: | Multichoice SA (DStv) |
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| [17:22:33] | iamlindoro: | 8 transponders |
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| [17:22:56] | iamlindoro: | Multichoice is 8 transponders... so that means an average of 16 or so channels per multiplex |
| [17:23:11] | iamlindoro: | so yes, not only multiplexed, but kind bandwidth starved |
| [17:23:15] | iamlindoro: | er kinda |
| [17:23:25] | Greek-Boy: | 8 transponders. 8 multiplexes? |
| [17:23:39] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [17:23:53] | Greek-Boy: | 8 tuners... :-( |
| [17:24:12] | iamlindoro: | Actually, a second look says there's a few more |
| [17:24:18] | iamlindoro: | looks like one table doesn't match the other |
| [17:24:19] | iamlindoro: | http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/mcafrica36.html |
| [17:24:48] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: more than one bird |
| [17:25:07] | Greek-Boy: | yeah they do have more than one bird, thats true |
| [17:25:07] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, No, that page is just the one |
| [17:25:33] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I don't see any compelling reason you would need to capture every single channel on the service at the same time |
| [17:25:48] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: no. the provider uses more than one bird deliver Multichoice. |
| [17:26:06] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: so the W4 page does not list all transponders Multichoice uses |
| [17:26:09] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, That may be the case but we were only referring to the satellite he mentioned |
| [17:27:03] | AndyCap: | and? |
| [17:27:22] | iamlindoro: | and? |
| [17:27:26] | highzeth: | valid point iamlindoro, so in this case a 17/8 could be a good start Greek-Boy. Watch those hard earned money fly away |
| [17:27:28] | Greek-Boy: | ummm |
| [17:28:09] | highzeth: | atleast then you can add tuner(s) as needed |
| [17:28:18] | iamlindoro: | There's no point whatsoever in having tuners to record the entire provider at once, that's insane (or trying to set up your own illegal cable service) |
| [17:28:18] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: to clarify. Are you going to use 1 or 4 satellite positions |
| [17:28:33] | Greek-Boy: | i dont want to capture every single channel on the service at the same time. I have 7 front-ends now and I want to allow them to watch/record whatever they want simultaneously. That's the point... |
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| [17:28:49] | Greek-Boy: | Andycap. I want to use four, the other three are FTA |
| [17:29:13] | Greek-Boy: | want to provide the ability to watch/record between all of them |
| [17:29:36] | iamlindoro: | Then you don't need two dozen tuners |
| [17:29:37] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: and if you want to record _any_ 4 simultaneous channels you need 4 tuners and a large switch. :) |
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| [17:30:28] | Greek-Boy: | as I thought initially |
| [17:30:42] | Greek-Boy: | and is there still the need to multiplex? |
| [17:30:58] | iamlindoro: | ??? The multiplexing isn't done by you |
| [17:31:01] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: need, no? it is a feature. |
| [17:31:25] | Greek-Boy: | i mean it will automatically do it right? |
| [17:31:33] | Greek-Boy: | wait |
| [17:31:35] | Greek-Boy: | let me rephrase |
| [17:32:20] | Greek-Boy: | What I am trying to clarify is if the tuners will just be switching between each of the four positions? |
| [17:32:29] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: uh, what? |
| [17:33:11] | Greek-Boy: | the tuners will use the switch to switch to any of the four sattelite positions by demand? |
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| [17:33:42] | Greek-Boy: | so there won't be a need to take advantage of the multiplexing... |
| [17:33:43] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: if you set it up correctly with the switch and 4 quad output lnb's yes |
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| [17:34:18] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: but you can still take advantage of it. and get more than 4 recordings at the same time, if the channels you are recording are on the same multiplex |
| [17:34:33] | Greek-Boy: | i c |
| [17:34:34] | Greek-Boy: | nice |
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| [17:34:51] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: but with 4 tuners you will not be constrained by the multiplexes if you only have 4 or less simultaneous recordings. |
| [17:35:17] | Greek-Boy: | can the switch be located near the sattelites? That way just four cables need to be run to tthe tuners? |
| [17:35:29] | Greek-Boy: | i will assume it needs to be an outdoor weatherproof box? |
| [17:35:51] | AndyCap: | Greek-Boy: depends on the switch. if it needs power etc. |
| [17:36:32] | Greek-Boy: | i want to avoid running 16 cables all the way |
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| [17:42:28] | Greek-Boy: | i'm curious to know how many streams a happauge DVB-S2 card can decode simultaneously when taking advantage of multiplexing |
| [17:42:38] | Greek-Boy: | how many SD and how many HD |
| [17:43:39] | crankharder: | for some reason starting lirc isn't creating the socket /dev/lirc, which I guess myth is looking for — any ideas on why that mgiht be? |
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| [17:44:45] | ejl: | Evening all. |
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| [17:45:13] | ejl: | I'm looking for a remote control that should work out-of-the-box as far as possible with lirc & mythtv |
| [17:45:17] | ejl: | any recommendations? |
| [17:45:34] | Makere: | something cheap |
| [17:45:39] | Makere: | and goo |
| [17:45:40] | Makere: | d |
| [17:45:40] | Makere: | lol |
| [17:45:43] | GreyFoxx: | the MCE remote is about as simple as it gets |
| [17:45:49] | GreyFoxx: | and is pretty cheap |
| [17:46:27] | ejl: | I have an unbranded RF "MCE" remote |
| [17:46:28] | Makere: | just buy logitech dinovo mini, it's the size of a remote and works as a keyboard and mousepad |
| [17:46:29] | GreyFoxx: | took maybe 5 minutes to install mine and that included downloading and compiling the lirc code 2.5 years ago |
| [17:46:42] | Makere: | and it works by putting in the usb receiver |
| [17:46:46] | ejl: | that looks like a HID keyboard & mouse |
| [17:46:53] | ejl: | but is realyl unreliable |
| [17:46:58] | ejl: | ok that logitech lools good thanks |
| [17:47:01] | ejl: | *looks |
| [17:47:06] | GreyFoxx: | my MCE remote doesn't look like HID devices |
| [17:47:12] | Greek-Boy: | i have a harmony 1000, i'm still trying to find a good RF receiver for lirc |
| [17:47:34] | ejl: | though actually perhaps complete overkill |
| [17:48:26] | ejl: | any recommendations for simple, well working remotes, whether they be RF or IR? |
| [17:48:26] | Greek-Boy: | yeah probably |
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| [17:48:41] | ejl: | (don't want anything too complicated) |
| [17:48:53] | ejl: | and preferably <£30 |
| [17:49:16] | Makere: | paid 50eur for my dinovo mini :p |
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| [17:50:58] | Makere: | I also got the Ati Remotewonder |
| [17:51:03] | Makere: | or w/e it is |
| [17:51:17] | Makere: | used to work fine before some kernel patch |
| [17:51:27] | Makere: | never bothered to fix it after |
| [17:51:49] | Makere: | and my dvb-c tuner has it's own IR-remote |
| [17:52:02] | Makere: | I should just fix the lirc config for it |
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| [17:55:35] | mofu: | upgrading to 0.22 today on Ubuntu 9.10. Frontend dies just as the menu appears, any thoughts? |
| [17:55:50] | [R]: | whats in the log |
| [17:56:08] | ejl: | Makere: can't find the remote wonder for sale anywhere, anything similar? |
| [17:56:41] | mofu: | not sure it's logging, have tried the net book and OSX, don't have primary front-end rebuilt yet |
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| [17:57:23] | Makere: | ejl: want to buy mine? |
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| [17:59:57] | mofu: | looks like a time zone problem, not sure why they got fubar'd during the upgrade |
| [18:01:42] | Greek-Boy: | I wasn't able to get the blaster or receiver to work on my HD PVR, running in Ubuntu 9.10 |
| [18:01:52] | Greek-Boy: | i'm gonna play with it some more and see if I can get it going |
| [18:03:57] | sphery: | mofu: until 0.22, Myth never checked the time zone |
| [18:04:09] | sphery: | mofu: got log output ( http://pastebin.ca/ ) |
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| [18:06:55] | mofu: | http://pastebin.ca/1713391 |
| [18:07:17] | mofu: | different cities in the same timezone a problem?? I guess so |
| [18:08:15] | ejl: | Makere: what country? xD |
| [18:08:34] | Makere: | Finland |
| [18:08:54] | ejl: | hmmm probably not worth it sry :-) |
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| [18:11:00] | hpw: | hi everybody |
| [18:11:56] | hpw: | I have a framegrabber card – does anybody have a suggestion how to find out why my video gets faster than the audio after a while watching live TV (but not while watching recordings)? |
| [18:12:45] | Makere: | np |
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| [18:27:16] | Dagmar: | hpw: Keep looking. LiveTV *is* a recording. |
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| [18:35:53] | bllz: | Hi, everybody! Is there any documentation for the Motorola DTA 100? I'd like to use it with my PVR 150 MCE blaster |
| [18:36:35] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com/search?q=Motorola+DTA+100 |
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| [18:36:57] | Dagmar: | Now add "lirc" to the query. |
| [18:37:35] | bllz: | Dagmar: exactly, I haven't come across anything particularly useful |
| [18:37:45] | bllz: | unless i overlooked it several times in a row (which is possible0 |
| [18:37:47] | bllz: | ) |
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| [18:38:42] | Led-Hed: | I have a mix of HD and SD Frontends. Sometimes on the SD frontends when I go to Watch LiveTV, it kicks me back to the menu because the tunner was last tuned to a HD channel. Is it possible to limit a Frontend to a specific Channel Listing? |
| [18:38:43] | Dagmar: | If nothing else you're completely allowed to use the other parts of LIRC to make your own config. |
| [18:39:10] | Dagmar: | Led-Hed: Not that I've seen unless it's brand new in .22 |
| [18:39:12] | bllz: | Dagmar: how would I go about doing that? |
| [18:39:18] | bllz: | does that involve capturing IR codes adn whatnot? |
| [18:39:20] | Dagmar: | bliz: You would read the LIRC documentation |
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| [18:39:31] | Led-Hed: | now thats a concept |
| [18:39:36] | bllz: | It's amazing how helpful people are |
| [18:39:51] | Dagmar: | I'm amazed at how much money I make googling things for people. |
| [18:39:55] | bllz: | and they wonder why linux doesn't have a wider adoption |
| [18:39:55] | Dagmar: | Oh wait... |
| [18:40:00] | Led-Hed: | LOL |
| [18:40:04] | bllz: | Oh wait... I do the same thing |
| [18:40:06] | Dagmar: | bliz: Yes. A lack of literacy has a terrible effect on a culture. |
| [18:40:19] | Dagmar: | It's documented. |
| [18:40:21] | bllz: | as does a lack of help |
| [18:40:21] | Led-Hed: | bllz, linux is all about helping yourself |
| [18:40:23] | Dagmar: | It's how *I* learned to do it. |
| [18:40:26] | Dagmar: | Whiner. |
| [18:40:29] | bllz: | Right, me too |
| [18:40:37] | bllz: | that doesn't mean you can't answer a few simple questions |
| [18:40:46] | Dagmar: | Well, I'll stop doing that right now then |
| [18:40:48] | bllz: | such as "would that involve capturing the IR codes" |
| [18:40:51] | Led-Hed: | bllz, you cant get pissy becasue someone asks you to read the documentation. Its kind of a minimum standard |
| [18:40:54] | bllz: | i didn't need a lecture |
| [18:41:01] | bllz: | That's not why I'm upset |
| [18:41:07] | Dagmar: | One line isn't a lecture. |
| [18:41:13] | Dagmar: | Lines and lines of whining makes you a *shem* |
| [18:41:20] | bllz: | i was planning on reading the literature, but that shouldn't preclude me from asking a few questions beforehand |
| [18:41:23] | Dagmar: | s/sh/ah/; |
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| [18:42:24] | Led-Hed: | bllz, it does in most linux related irc channels |
| [18:42:27] | bllz: | Dagmar, I understand your frustration with people who won't RTFM, but please understand mine. I did google the DTA for documentation and the first answer I get is a sardonic "lrn2google" |
| [18:42:29] | Dagmar: | I'm sorry I'm not particularly interested in spending the next hour walking someone who can't even be bothered to read the original documentation through building a custom LIRC configuration |
| [18:42:48] | bllz: | All I wanted to know was wheter or not you were referring to capturing IR codes in lirc |
| [18:43:05] | bllz: | and I never said I wasn't interested in reading the manual |
| [18:43:19] | Led-Hed: | bllz, what was your original question? I came in after you posted it |
| [18:43:21] | bllz: | you're drawing false conclusions here, and I understand why. I've come across tehse people too |
| [18:43:36] | bllz: | Hi, everybody! Is there any documentation for the Motorola DTA 100? I'd like to use it with my PVR 150 MCE blaster |
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| [18:43:48] | bllz: | I came here because google turned up nothing useful |
| [18:44:01] | bllz: | all the documentation on google seems to revolve around the Pace DTA |
| [18:44:03] | ** Led-Hed googles ** | |
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| [18:44:23] | bllz: | but maybe i'm using the wrong search string or maybe i overlooked something or maybe someobody here knows offhand where I can find some answers |
| [18:45:25] | Led-Hed: | so you want to use LIRC to change the channels on your Digital Converter Box? |
| [18:46:23] | Dagmar: | I think that much was clear several minutes ago |
| [18:46:32] | Led-Hed: | wasnt to me |
| [18:46:35] | bllz: | That's the idea and i'm wondering if either a) there's a good tutorial for my specific DTA or b) there's a good tutorial for for making a custom lirc config |
| [18:46:41] | Led-Hed: | I didnt know what device we were using |
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| [18:46:59] | Led-Hed: | bllz, sounds like you need an IR Blaster |
| [18:47:03] | bllz: | the problem is that, as I learned through *google*, there seems to be an issue reproducing zeros in lirc for this specific model |
| [18:47:06] | bllz: | i have an ir blaster |
| [18:47:23] | Led-Hed: | then you're good to go |
| [18:47:44] | Led-Hed: | it does say on motorolas site that it has an external IR input |
| [18:47:57] | bllz: | yeah it does |
| [18:48:06] | Led-Hed: | thats kinda cool |
| [18:48:21] | bllz: | yeah it'll definitely help when I try hide the dta somewhere |
| [18:48:36] | Led-Hed: | should allow you to skip some of the IR blaster hardware |
| [18:48:47] | bllz: | oh I hadn't even though about that |
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| [18:48:59] | Led-Hed: | connect it directly |
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| [18:49:04] | sphery: | mofu: Detroit and New York are not in the same time zone... md5sum /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/{Detroit,New_York} |
| [18:49:25] | sphery: | hope he checks the archive |
| [18:49:26] | Led-Hed: | bllz, serial out of the Backend to the IR input on the DTA |
| [18:49:50] | bllz: | Led-Hed: huh, i was told not to do that by some of the ##hardware guys |
| [18:50:03] | bllz: | they seemed concerned about voltage differences in both components |
| [18:50:06] | Dagmar: | sphery: That's just...sad |
| [18:50:09] | ** sphery wonders how someone could even get 2 different systems set up at their house with Detroit and New York as the time zones... ** | |
| [18:50:18] | Led-Hed: | bllz, I would trust them over me, as I'm not a "Hardware Guy" |
| [18:50:34] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, unfortunately people seem to think that all that's important is what time it is now. |
| [18:50:35] | bllz: | Led-Hed: I guess I could always look up the specs |
| [18:50:37] | Led-Hed: | bllz, you could use a voltage regulator |
| [18:50:49] | Dagmar: | sphery: That is all that's important |
| [18:50:54] | Dagmar: | Of course, if they can't set that correctly... |
| [18:51:03] | bllz: | Led-Hed: or that. But then again, I imagine that voltages are pretty standard across that kind of cable |
| [18:51:17] | sphery: | that's all that's important now, but not when you have historical and future data stored in local time |
| [18:51:42] | Greek-Boy: | who here uses IR on their HD PVR? |
| [18:51:44] | Led-Hed: | bllz, that would be a bad assumption |
| [18:51:47] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: i do |
| [18:51:54] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: wait... whichi r? |
| [18:52:00] | Greek-Boy: | ir receiver and blaster |
| [18:52:03] | [R]: | i dont do recv |
| [18:52:14] | bllz: | Led-Hed: plus it *is* comcast ... they're about as proprietary as apple... |
| [18:52:16] | Dagmar: | sphery: That's called a design flaw, IMHO |
| [18:52:27] | Dagmar: | Localtime is only suitable for showing squishy eyeballs, IMHO |
| [18:52:30] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: u do just blasting? |
| [18:52:40] | Led-Hed: | bllz, what STB |
| [18:52:40] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: well i just said i use ir.. and i dont do recv... so what do you think that means |
| [18:52:52] | sphery: | Dagmar: we're still waiting for you patch on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5853 :) |
| [18:52:57] | Dagmar: | sphery: Believe it or not I've acutally started making notes about that |
| [18:53:06] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: ok |
| [18:53:07] | Dagmar: | THERE'S A LOT OF BLOODY CALLS to change |
| [18:53:17] | sphery: | which is why no one cares enough to do it |
| [18:53:22] | bllz: | Led-Hed: it's one of the new motorolas... DCT700 |
| [18:53:31] | Dagmar: | I'm more worried about what made someone do it that way in the first place |
| [18:53:35] | Led-Hed: | bllz, does it have firewire? |
| [18:53:45] | bllz: | Led-Hed: that one is supported, but I'd rather not use it because I'm concerned about the OSD interfering with my recording when I change channels |
| [18:53:54] | bllz: | Led-Hed: no, it's the new form factor ones |
| [18:53:55] | sphery: | if you configure your systems correctly, it's /never/ a problem and only requires you to check your recording rules for shows that cross the boundary 2 times per year |
| [18:54:09] | sphery: | IMHO, that's not worth the 100's of hours of effort to fix it properly |
| [18:54:11] | Dagmar: | If you _move_, all the times are now wrong. |
| [18:54:13] | sphery: | (and it will be 100's) |
| [18:54:14] | [R]: | OR... you just move to a place that doesn't observe daylight savings time |
| [18:54:14] | [R]: | :) |
| [18:54:24] | sphery: | Dagmar: no, they're not... your listings are wrong |
| [18:54:26] | Led-Hed: | bllz, you wont see the OSD overlay |
| [18:54:36] | Dagmar: | No, i'm serious |
| [18:54:37] | sphery: | Dagmar: but you have to get new listings anyway because you have new sources |
| [18:54:37] | Led-Hed: | if you use Firewire |
| [18:54:38] | bllz: | Led-Hed: I won't? |
| [18:54:44] | bllz: | Led-Hed: I don't ahve firewire |
| [18:54:55] | Dagmar: | If your stuff says that it recorded something at 8pm on Dec 12th, and you move to a different timezone, it's now wrong |
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| [18:55:02] | Led-Hed: | bllz, it depends, I guess I would need to know more about your entire setup |
| [18:55:21] | Dagmar: | ...because what was 8pm before is now actually 6pm or 9pm |
| [18:55:23] | bllz: | Led-Hed: what do you need to know? It's a combined frontend/backend with a pvr150 |
| [18:55:29] | sphery: | if you really think it's better that your prime-time recording of Better Off Tedd that you recorded at 8:00pm on a day in the old time zone shows as 5:00pm after moving, that's just a bit over the top |
| [18:55:31] | bllz: | MCE edition |
| [18:55:51] | Dagmar: | That's what time it actually aired |
| [18:55:57] | bllz: | and the STB has coax and composite out |
| [18:55:57] | sphery: | but who cares? |
| [18:56:12] | sphery: | it's more meaningful showing a prime time time |
| [18:56:14] | bllz: | Led-Hed: the DTA on the other hand only has coax out |
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| [18:56:19] | Dagmar: | Everyone who doesn't want to have to manually fix their clock every time there's a DST change |
| [18:56:21] | Led-Hed: | bllz, never mind, you are capturing analog |
| [18:56:23] | sphery: | anyway, if it bothers you, fix it |
| [18:56:27] | sphery: | I will /not/ fix it |
| [18:56:33] | Dagmar: | That's fine |
| [18:56:39] | bllz: | Led-Hed: yeah, no digital for me =) |
| [18:56:50] | Led-Hed: | but the channel overlay shouldnt be recorded |
| [18:56:55] | sphery: | we don't currently have to manually fix clocks when there's a DST change |
| [18:57:04] | sphery: | everything works |
| [18:57:05] | Dagmar: | If you dual-boot Windows you may well get to |
| [18:57:11] | Led-Hed: | bllz, how are you connecting the STB to the PVR-150? |
| [18:57:12] | sphery: | well, that's a broken config |
| [18:57:17] | sphery: | not Myth's fault |
| [18:57:19] | Dagmar: | Even freaking Windows 7 (MS reps are such liars) is still screwing people over |
| [18:57:31] | sphery: | My hardware clock is set to UTC and all works perfectly |
| [18:57:36] | Dagmar: | There's a reason we store time in the BIOS as UTC |
| [18:57:52] | sphery: | yes, but there's a reason that we used local time for mythtv |
| [18:57:53] | bllz: | Led-Hed: it depends on whether I'm going to be using the DTA or the STB. If it's the DTA, it'll be via coax. If it's the STB, it'll be via composite |
| [18:57:59] | sphery: | and it's /not/ a "design flaw" |
| [18:58:02] | Dagmar: | UTC is relentlessly regular |
| [18:58:06] | sphery: | it's because it was appropriate at the time |
| [18:58:08] | Dagmar: | It does not move forward, it does not move back |
| [18:58:11] | bllz: | Led-Hed: and that's only because my understanding is that compoiste has better quality |
| [18:58:16] | Led-Hed: | bllz, composite will record the Channel overlay |
| [18:58:24] | sphery: | but people are pissed that they can't break their system configuration and expect Myth to work |
| [18:58:27] | sphery: | and that's just stupid |
| [18:58:29] | bllz: | Led-Hed: but coax won't? |
| [18:58:31] | Dagmar: | If you are recording based on "local time" how many recordings will you get on a particular evening at 2am in the fall? |
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| [18:58:40] | bllz: | Led-Hed: why the difference? |
| [18:58:46] | Dagmar: | 2am comes _twice_ during the time change in localtime. |
| [18:58:51] | Dagmar: | It does not do this in UTC. |
| [18:59:05] | Led-Hed: | bllz, I guess you are right. if the STB is between the wall and the PVR-150 |
| [18:59:14] | [R]: | i never see the channel overlay |
| [18:59:14] | sphery: | so do appropriate overrides 2x per year and all is good |
| [18:59:20] | [R]: | dunno what you're talking about |
| [18:59:27] | sphery: | note, also, I have /never/ had a real recording that was affected by a DST change |
| [18:59:35] | Dagmar: | Yeah but other people might |
| [18:59:37] | sphery: | I always do recordings around DST to prove it works |
| [18:59:37] | bllz: | [R]: out of curiosity, how long does your overlay stay on-screen? |
| [18:59:38] | Led-Hed: | bllz, have you ever tried it? |
| [18:59:50] | [R]: | bllz: it doesnt... i send an EXIT key right after i change the channel |
| [18:59:55] | bllz: | Led-Hed: no, but if the overlay isn't going to be a problem, I'll just do that |
| [18:59:57] | sphery: | but I don't plan to waste 100s of hours of my life doing a worthless change to Myth |
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| [19:00:05] | bllz: | [R]: that's smart. I assume most configs do this? |
| [19:00:06] | Dagmar: | No one's asking you to |
| [19:00:11] | [R]: | bllz: most configs? |
| [19:00:23] | bllz: | [R]: most lirc channel change scripts, I mean |
| [19:00:27] | [R]: | bllz: no clue... i wrote my own |
| [19:00:39] | MartinJT: | anyone have any advice on running x264 with Myth.22... buying a new tv and would prefer then switch from SD media to HD (.mkv) looking like it will be x264 encoded... |
| [19:00:44] | bllz: | [R]: would you mind looking at this one I found and letting me know if it does? |
| [19:01:01] | [R]: | bllz: it probably doesn't |
| [19:01:03] | sphery: | as you have to change MythTV, MythTV protocol, mythconverg database, MythXML, several plugins, MythWeb, Perl bindings, Python bindings, assorted legacy scripts in contrib, ... |
| [19:01:05] | [R]: | most people aren't smart enough to do that |
| [19:01:19] | bllz: | [R] It's probably not too hard to add in, though is it? |
| [19:01:21] | [R]: | cuz you have people like Led-Hed saying you're going to see the osd |
| [19:01:21] | sphery: | and there are a /lot/ of places in each one that need fixing |
| [19:01:25] | Dagmar: | No shit |
| [19:01:28] | [R]: | bllz: depends on what its written in and how much you know |
| [19:01:31] | Dagmar: | Like I said, I've already been taknig notes about it |
| [19:01:39] | Dagmar: | It's going to be a hugemungous change |
| [19:01:39] | bllz: | Python, I beleive |
| [19:01:44] | MartinJT: | was wondering if anyone had advice on minimum recommended processor specs, along with recommended graphics card etc... |
| [19:01:56] | [R]: | MartinJT: that depends entirely on what you watn to do |
| [19:02:05] | Led-Hed: | [R], initially I suspected that he wouldnt see it, but since I've never tried it personally I figured I could be wrong |
| [19:02:10] | sphery: | Dagmar: It's going to be a hugemungous change /that has absolutely no effect for 99% of users/ |
| [19:02:24] | bllz: | Led-Hed: I suppose i could always try it and find out |
| [19:02:32] | Dagmar: | Okay, so basically you're telling that it's fucking wrong, and ther'es no way it'll ever get changed so I'm wasting my time |
| [19:02:33] | Dagmar: | Fine |
| [19:02:35] | sphery: | i.e. a thankless job |
| [19:02:37] | Led-Hed: | bllz, what do you have to loose? |
| [19:02:39] | Dagmar: | I won't fucking think about it again |
| [19:02:50] | Dagmar: | I could give two shits about it being a thankless job |
| [19:03:05] | sphery: | Dagmar: I'm not saying that... Just that it's a huge job and at the end you're basically where you started |
| [19:03:06] | bllz: | lolumad? |
| [19:03:10] | sphery: | for all but 2 hours of the year |
| [19:03:16] | Dagmar: | What I don't care for is someone telling me over and over that if I did go to the trouble to fix it, it would be rejected |
| [19:03:17] | bllz: | ;-) |
| [19:03:27] | Dagmar: | That basically tells me I'm not dealing with people who take correct coding seriously. |
| [19:03:34] | sphery: | so, you've fixed the 1/4383 problem... :) |
| [19:03:40] | MartinJT: | [R], just play x264 encoded content in 1920x1080 over hdmi... |
| [19:03:47] | sphery: | Dagmar: i've never said it will be rejected |
| [19:03:51] | sphery: | it would be appreciated |
| [19:03:57] | [R]: | MartinJT: depends on the content |
| [19:04:03] | sphery: | but I think it's a waste of even your time to do it |
| [19:04:04] | Dagmar: | Right then relax and don't worry about it |
| [19:04:18] | Dagmar: | It's only a waste of my time if the patch that cleans up the mess is refused |
| [19:04:23] | Dagmar: | THEN it's a waste of my time |
| [19:04:30] | MartinJT: | ahh... what different types are there... thought all x264 encoded were the same... |
| [19:04:54] | Dagmar: | Right now it's simply very subtly broken, and it's serving as a bad example to other coders |
| [19:05:03] | Dagmar: | The bad example part is what bugs me |
| [19:05:24] | sphery: | personally, I plan to fix all the brokenness that affects people more than 1/4383 of the time before I get to the 1/4383 problems |
| [19:05:40] | Dagmar: | Besides which... There's also another fatal case of moving |
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| [19:05:50] | Dagmar: | If someone lives in say, New York and has a bunch of recording schedules set up... |
| [19:06:04] | sphery: | no, that's because they didn't do proper schedules |
| [19:06:14] | sphery: | a "this channel" rule is almost /never/ appropriate |
| [19:06:22] | sphery: | same as a "timeslot" rule |
| [19:06:31] | Led-Hed: | bllz, the DCT700 is a converter box also |
| [19:06:40] | Dagmar: | ...and then they move to say, just over to the next time zone, all their schedules are very likely to break |
| [19:06:53] | sphery: | Dagmar: any time/any channel rules don't! |
| [19:07:04] | Dagmar: | ...since everything that was formerly being broadcast at 9pm is now happening at 8pm |
| [19:07:04] | sphery: | and since they're the ones that people should be using... |
| [19:07:21] | sphery: | which is still "any time" |
| [19:07:33] | Dagmar: | Why on earth would I want five reruns of Stargate a week? |
| [19:07:35] | bllz: | Led-Hed: Yeah, but initially I was worried about the overlay, remember? Witht he DCT700 I have the overlay |
| [19:08:00] | sphery: | Dagmar: seriously, though, even if you do UTC and you move from Central to Mountain time, your timeslot rules are broken |
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| [19:08:15] | Dagmar: | No they aren't. |
| [19:08:28] | Dagmar: | UTC is the same time everywhere. Much like actual time is the same time everywhere. |
| [19:08:34] | bllz: | Led-Hed, you know what though? Let me see if the exit key removes the overlay, in which case I can learn some python and include that in the script |
| [19:08:35] | sphery: | Dagmar: 9:00, 8:00 Central *and* Mountain |
| [19:08:42] | Dagmar: | Only people who watch too much TV think that going west takes you into the past. |
| [19:09:03] | bllz: | Dagmar: Wait... it doesn't? aw man.... |
| [19:09:10] | sphery: | Dagmar: and using appropriate rules means using "New Episodes Only", "Exclude repeats", and/or "Exclude repeats and generics" |
| [19:09:30] | sphery: | Dagmar: i.e. people who don't understand Myth use timeslot rules to limit which shows are recorded |
| [19:09:53] | sphery: | Dagmar: /very/ few shows (like, maybe The Daily Show) should ever have any time-based rules (but likely weekslot) |
| [19:10:10] | Dagmar: | Well, I'm sure all the users will be pleased to know you think they;'re all doing it wrong |
| [19:11:02] | sphery: | Dagmar: for real, they /delay/ TV for Mountain and Pacific time zones so those people don't have to hurry home from work to catch Primetime from 5:00–7:00pm |
| [19:11:27] | sphery: | Eastern and Central are together, Mountain and Pacific are together |
| [19:11:32] | Dagmar: | I'm aware |
| [19:11:40] | Dagmar: | I'm _very_ aware |
| [19:11:42] | sphery: | so UTC doesn't help unless you move "within" those zones, |
| [19:11:51] | Dagmar: | In 2000 and 2001 I was working for a company called iAsiaWorks. |
| [19:11:56] | sphery: | which means it's no more fatal than moving from Eastern to Pacific |
| [19:12:02] | Dagmar: | We brough China 75ms closer to the US, among other things. |
| [19:12:09] | bobgill: | I have "prefer pvr-150 2" in a recording's schedule, but it is using pvr-150 1.. how can I force to use tuner 2? |
| [19:12:15] | Dagmar: | We had conference calls three times a week with various offices. |
| [19:12:51] | MartinJT: | [R], so generally... what format are x264 downloaded material in??? |
| [19:12:58] | Dagmar: | Trust me, when you are having conference calls with people in Melbourne, Taiwan, Taipei, hmm... Seoul... and Mumbai, you WILL abanadon all respect for localtime and start thinking of time correctly |
| [19:12:59] | [R]: | MartinJT: downloaded? |
| [19:13:07] | sphery: | MartinJT: I'm pretty sure it's called DRM format |
| [19:13:09] | Dagmar: | Time doesn't care what people think about saving their daylights. |
| [19:14:14] | MartinJT: | ... |
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| [19:16:40] | MartinJT: | ok let's ask the next question... is myth.22 on ubuntu 9.10 capable of playing bluray... |
| [19:17:11] | antgel: | *sigh* |
| [19:17:52] | Dagmar: | Short answer: No. |
| [19:18:51] | MartinJT: | slightly longer answer (or link to any discussion on it)? |
| [19:19:11] | antgel: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Bluray |
| [19:19:24] | gizmobay: | I have a mythfdb that has hung. I did a ps -A | grep mythfilldatabase and nothing shows up but when I do a ps -A | grep mythfilldatabas |
| [19:19:30] | Dagmar: | Long answer: Linux is capable of pretty much anything when unencumbered by laws and patent restrictions. |
| [19:19:39] | gizmobay: | it shows up |
| [19:19:52] | gizmobay: | anyone know why the process is missing the "e" |
| [19:19:55] | Dagmar: | That having been said, until someone find a way to get a legal player on Linux, you will NEVER be just popping in a blu-ray disc and playing it |
| [19:20:26] | Dagmar: | gizmobay: Because it's one letter longer than you're allowing ps to show |
| [19:20:44] | bllz: | Dagmar: I thought the blueray DRM had already been cracked, or am I mistaken? |
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| [19:22:13] | gizmobay: | I have a cron job to killall mythfilldatabase |
| [19:22:21] | gizmobay: | just in case it hangs |
| [19:22:26] | gizmobay: | wonder why it didn't work |
| [19:26:56] | gizmobay: | 00 7 * * * root killall mythfilldatabase |
| [19:28:51] | jarle: | In mythvideo I see a number in the upper left corder of the screen, what does this number tell me? |
| [19:29:04] | jarle: | upper left *corner* |
| [19:33:19] | [R]: | its the parental raiting thing |
| [19:33:47] | jarle: | oki... |
| [19:35:04] | Led-Hed: | bllz, looks like AnyDVD is ripping BD's |
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| [19:37:02] | Dagmar: | gizmobay: You may wish to consult the man pages for crontab on your system |
| [19:37:23] | Dagmar: | Unless you're using some kind of wrapper or a different-than-usual crond, that is not the right set of parameters |
| [19:39:42] | AndyCap: | valid for /etc/crontab in vixiecron, but not the user crontabs |
| [19:41:50] | Dagmar: | Not valid for Dillon's cron |
| [19:43:23] | Dagmar: | Vixie's cron doesn't do that either last I checked |
| [19:43:38] | Dagmar: | I suspect that's a wrapper from a distro |
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| [19:46:49] | gizmobay: | I'm using Ubuntu |
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| [20:03:02] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: AnyDVD does not rip DVDs |
| [20:03:42] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, just quoting what I read on a website. I dont use it personally |
| [20:04:24] | wagnerrp: | it provides live filesystem access with all the drm (and optionally forced trailers, button lockouts, and the like) disabled |
| [20:04:37] | wagnerrp: | allowing you to either use the DVD directly, unencumbered |
| [20:04:51] | wagnerrp: | or access the files manually, again unencumbered |
| [20:05:16] | wagnerrp: | there *is* a 'disk ripper', but it does nothing but copy all the files on the disk to another directory |
| [20:06:05] | bllz: | Quick question: i dropped some videos in the "video" smb share of mythbuntu, but I don't see them in the video manager? what gives? |
| [20:06:10] | bllz: | has this changed in 9.10? |
| [20:06:17] | wagnerrp: | there is no video manager |
| [20:06:20] | Dagmar: | It's their _other_ product, CloneDVD, that does all the actual piracees |
| [20:06:33] | bllz: | wagnerrP: I beg to differ, I'm in it right now |
| [20:06:37] | wagnerrp: | video manager is nothing more than another view mode in 0.22 |
| [20:06:58] | bllz: | wagnerrp: so how exactly do I add the videos to the library? |
| [20:06:59] | wagnerrp: | all views have the same functionality now |
| [20:07:09] | wagnerrp: | read the 0.22 transition guide? |
| [20:07:21] | wagnerrp: | (hit 'm' and scan for videos) |
| [20:07:23] | bllz: | wagnerrp: sounds good, do you have a link? |
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| [20:07:27] | wagnerrp: | from anywhere within mythtv |
| [20:07:41] | wagnerrp: | front page of the wiki, second item on the right side list |
| [20:07:45] | bllz: | wagnerrp: that's definitiely an improvement =) |
| [20:07:47] | wagnerrp: | erm... anywhere within mythvideo |
| [20:07:49] | bllz: | wagnerrp: okay thanks! |
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| [20:08:36] | wagnerrp: | note that you should probably update 9.10 from the base copy of mythtv it ships with |
| [20:08:52] | wagnerrp: | when it was released, it came packaged with the 0.22 release candidate |
| [20:08:58] | wagnerrp: | rather than the final release |
| [20:09:44] | bllz: | wagnerrp: I think that's already been done? I just ran the update-manager |
| [20:09:51] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [20:10:40] | wagnerrp: | other things you may want to do... switch to storage groups rather than local file access, rescan any content to pick up season and episode numbers, re-grab metadata to pick up additional imagery |
| [20:11:01] | bllz: | wagnerrp: this is a fresh install lol |
| [20:11:05] | bllz: | so i think it shoudln't be a problem |
| [20:11:11] | bllz: | but thanks! |
| [20:11:36] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the changes are all detailed in that transition guide |
| [20:11:41] | bllz: | wagnerrp: also, I noticed all the themes are for widescreen televisions. do you know if there's a package with standard aspect ratio themes? |
| [20:11:49] | Led-Hed: | does the netfilx plugin allow you to watch Netfilx movies or just manage your Netflix queue? |
| [20:11:55] | bllz: | wagnerrp: yeah I should probably look at that now |
| [20:12:11] | wagnerrp: | mythcenter is the only 4:3 theme available for mythtv |
| [20:12:30] | wagnerrp: | and its primarily just the fallback menus anyway |
| [20:12:42] | Led-Hed: | thats ok by me. Its my prefered theme anyway |
| [20:12:57] | bllz: | wagnerrp: boooo! no extra theme .deb package out there? |
| [20:13:01] | wagnerrp: | i only know of one 4:3 theme in development and its rather 'childish' |
| [20:13:15] | bllz: | that's unfortunate |
| [20:13:16] | Led-Hed: | 4:3 is dead anyway |
| [20:13:22] | wagnerrp: | the UI was completely rewritten |
| [20:13:33] | bllz: | Led-Hed: undoubtedly, but I can't afford a new tv =( |
| [20:13:40] | wagnerrp: | it has gone from the structure defined by mythtv, to the structure defined by the theme |
| [20:13:49] | Led-Hed: | bllz, sux 2 B U |
| [20:14:02] | bllz: | Led-Hed: lol yeah, what else is new ;) |
| [20:14:03] | ** Led-Hed cant afford a new TV either. ** | |
| [20:14:18] | Led-Hed: | but has 3 16:9 TV's already |
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| [20:15:11] | Led-Hed: | actually I use the 4:3 theme a lot as my kids PC dual boot MythTV and they have older 4:3 LCD Monitors |
| [20:15:45] | wagnerrp: | woo! nvidia amd64 driver for freebsd |
| [20:16:14] | Led-Hed: | thats cool |
| [20:16:27] | Led-Hed: | though I dont have a need for it on my FreeBSD box |
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| [20:16:52] | wagnerrp: | although that machine doesnt really have the memory/power to run a frontend and all the other crap i put on there |
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| [20:26:38] | wagnerrp: | so gizmodo has a link up to some 30mm thick HTPC designed to mount behind TVs even when used with a wall mount |
| [20:27:01] | wagnerrp: | offering from a single C2D, up to dual Xeon i7s |
| [20:27:15] | wagnerrp: | WTF could you possibly do with dual i7s in a HTPC? |
| [20:28:06] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, Game |
| [20:28:16] | wagnerrp: | starting at $4K and it only supports a single hard drive |
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| [20:28:27] | Led-Hed: | future proof? |
| [20:28:44] | Led-Hed: | I dont know. but mounting behind a TV is a killer idea |
| [20:28:56] | Led-Hed: | can do that with the Acer Revo |
| [20:29:03] | Led-Hed: | but its Atom based |
| [20:29:08] | wagnerrp: | you can already do tons of systems like that |
| [20:29:15] | Led-Hed: | though with VDPAU is should handle HD just fine |
| [20:29:44] | wagnerrp: | its just not 30mm thin so as to be mounted between the TV and the wall fixture |
| [20:30:28] | Led-Hed: | gonna get tuff when 1" LED TV's are more common. That distance from the wall will need to get much shorter |
| [20:30:46] | wagnerrp: | no its not |
| [20:30:49] | wagnerrp: | going to get easier |
| [20:31:15] | wagnerrp: | those ultra-thin TVs are nothing more than a panel |
| [20:31:23] | Led-Hed: | hows that. if you have a 1" TV, you are gonna want to move it closer tot he wall not further away |
| [20:31:25] | wagnerrp: | youve got a bit cord running out the back to an external controller unit |
| [20:32:23] | sid3windr: | mhm |
| [20:32:34] | sid3windr: | 30mm is <1U so I wonder how the heatstuff works and how they keep it silent :) |
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| [20:32:52] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: that too |
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| [20:33:42] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: it will have a scheduled meltdown 3 days out of warranty |
| [20:33:46] | wagnerrp: | a bunch of tiny little squirrel-cage fans |
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| [20:33:57] | sid3windr: | AndyCap: that's still at least 2 years of service... :) |
| [20:34:44] | Dagmar: | Somehow I don't think things which are measured in U's really take "quiet" as much of a design priority |
| [20:35:18] | AndyCap: | actual product link http://www.piixl.com/online-store/edgecenter-3770-systems.html |
| [20:35:44] | AndyCap: | says it's patented so drawings should be available somewhere |
| [20:36:22] | Dagmar: | The UK does patents? |
| [20:36:31] | wagnerrp: | says patent pending |
| [20:36:35] | Dagmar: | Ah... |
| [20:37:34] | Dagmar: | Somehow I don't think they're going to have much luck getting that patent. |
| [20:37:40] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: oh, dang, just read "patented vtx design" on the frontpage |
| [20:37:54] | MartinJT: | are there any recommended graphics cards for using VDPAU with mythtv .22.... |
| [20:38:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, a search for VTX is just revealing stuff about a Honda motorcycle, and a bunch of biochemical papers/patents |
| [20:38:32] | Dagmar: | Making a case really thin isn't exactly a new thing |
| [20:38:57] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen a system that thin... outside of laptops anyway |
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| [20:45:11] | cityLights: | hi all |
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| [20:45:27] | cityLights: | I am seeking a tool to allow me to transfer large files to my pda when the pda senses its at home |
| [20:45:29] | Dagmar: | Not yet |
| [20:45:35] | cityLights: | these files are video clips recorded on mythtv, after being encoded I want them delivered to my pda over the wifi |
| [20:45:55] | cityLights: | did anyone allready did this? or must I write such a script? |
| [20:46:01] | Dagmar: | You get to write it. |
| [20:46:03] | Led-Hed: | Is VDPAU all that its cracked up to be? |
| [20:46:17] | Dagmar: | Led-Hed: And a bag of chips |
| [20:46:21] | wagnerrp: | depends on what you want |
| [20:46:43] | Dagmar: | Well, all I know is that my whites have never been whiter since I started using VDPAU. |
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| [20:46:55] | cityLights: | well, most here just brag the VDPAU off loads the cpu during 702p I guess |
| [20:47:07] | wagnerrp: | how oddly appropriate |
| [20:47:28] | Led-Hed: | I currently have 3x nf7100 boards with HDMI, and Pent.Dual Core CPU's. is it worth upgrading the video just for VDPAU? |
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| [20:47:59] | wagnerrp: | that whitening stuff is supposed to make you a lot more sensitive.... to, erm, encoding errors |
| [20:48:28] | Dagmar: | Led-Hed: Are you even a little bit CPU-bound? |
| [20:48:42] | Led-Hed: | The frontends are very quiet, and CPU load is around %20 – 30% when watching HDTV |
| [20:48:52] | wagnerrp: | well that doesnt seem right |
| [20:49:05] | wagnerrp: | real pentium 4s? or the rebranded Core2s? |
| [20:49:15] | Led-Hed: | Core2's |
| [20:49:20] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [20:49:32] | Led-Hed: | Pentium Dual-Cire E25200 |
| [20:49:38] | Led-Hed: | err |
| [20:49:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the only things that will give you problems are HDPVR and bluray content |
| [20:49:41] | Led-Hed: | E5200 |
| [20:49:48] | wagnerrp: | anything else, you dont need VDPAU |
| [20:50:13] | cityLights: | is the core2 – so strong as to load only 20% during hd? |
| [20:50:33] | wagnerrp: | if thats measuring total load |
| [20:50:48] | Led-Hed: | cityLights, mine (2.5ghz) runs 20–30% when watching HD (MPEG2) |
| [20:50:58] | wagnerrp: | i could see a ATSC only requiring 40%-60% of one core on a core2 |
| [20:51:15] | wagnerrp: | but 20–30% of one core is a bit low |
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| [20:51:49] | Led-Hed: | I can test if you like |
| [20:51:57] | cityLights: | SO calling |
| [20:52:00] | cityLights: | bye bye |
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| [20:57:58] | Led-Hed: | Watching Football in HD right now. top CPU(s) 29%, CPU0: 36% CPU1: 22% |
| [20:58:10] | defaultro: | good afternoon folks. With HDPVR 1212, am I correct that whatever we see in paid ppv, will be captured? |
| [20:58:35] | wagnerrp: | whatever your cablebox will output over component video, you can capture |
| [20:58:44] | Led-Hed: | Cpu0: does bounce to 42% once in a while, but is pretty consistent at 36% |
| [20:58:55] | defaultro: | cool. That means, once I change the channel manually, it will still record it |
| [20:59:07] | defaultro: | until I stop it in mythtv |
| [20:59:09] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, its cable directly into HDHomeRun |
| [20:59:18] | Elv1313: | anybody have made a package for iPhone support on mythbuntu 9.10? |
| [20:59:40] | Elv1313: | all those licence issue force me to recompile almost everything... |
| [20:59:40] | Led-Hed: | Elv1313, as a remote? |
| [20:59:48] | Elv1313: | no, as a frontend |
| [20:59:53] | Led-Hed: | oh |
| [21:00:13] | defaultro: | btw, I made a script that captures all the links of recorded Filipino channels from a filipino site. For wifey :) |
| [21:00:15] | Elv1313: | mpeg4 and aac support are disable form all .deb |
| [21:00:21] | Led-Hed: | didnt think the iPhone had enough processing power for that |
| [21:00:47] | Elv1313: | for displaying video? I can play 720p just well |
| [21:00:56] | Led-Hed: | humm |
| [21:01:03] | Elv1313: | the video just need to be converted to mp4 |
| [21:01:08] | Elv1313: | or it wont play |
| [21:02:12] | defaultro: | btw folks, I havent seen .22. Does the interface look like windows media center? I mean, like the moving animation effect when we change menus? |
| [21:02:15] | Elv1313: | all I need is mp4 support in mythbuntu. but I get linking error when I compile ffmpeg |
| [21:02:41] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: no animation as of yet |
| [21:02:41] | Elv1313: | defaultro: there is no animations |
| [21:02:46] | defaultro: | ok |
| [21:03:00] | defaultro: | wagnerrp, are there plans to do it? |
| [21:03:04] | wagnerrp: | besides the preexisting fade effect when using the opengl painter |
| [21:03:22] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:03:34] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: As a tribute to people who can't tell the differnce between an LCD screen and a plasma http://final.servegame.com/rings/rings.jpg |
| [21:03:37] | Dagmar: | bleh wrong link |
| [21:03:44] | Dagmar: | Here we go http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/free_lcd_tv.png |
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| [21:04:27] | wagnerrp: | since when do LCDs get burnin? |
| [21:04:31] | defaultro: | Dagmar, tell me about the difference |
| [21:04:37] | defaultro: | I have plasma |
| [21:04:50] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: They don't. This is how you know the guy got sold a plasma TV |
| [21:05:11] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: since forever? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence |
| [21:05:20] | Dagmar: | defaultro: Well you don't typically find them slumming in Westfall, for one |
| [21:05:35] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: thats different from permanent burn-in |
| [21:05:50] | defaultro: | in plasma, they call it ir |
| [21:05:55] | wagnerrp: | i have an LCD that took a bit of damage that shows persistence in the top inch or so |
| [21:05:59] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: enough that apple got into trouble of it. |
| [21:06:06] | AndyCap: | s/of/over/ |
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| [21:06:12] | wagnerrp: | the 30" IPS panels at work show considerable persistence |
| [21:06:15] | Dagmar: | I've never seen an LCD with a burned in image |
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| [21:06:36] | Dagmar: | Weird |
| [21:06:43] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: its not 'burned in', it just lasts a few seconds to a few minutes after you remove it |
| [21:06:56] | wagnerrp: | its especially noticeable if you go from one extreme to another |
| [21:07:00] | Dagmar: | That's what I thought |
| [21:07:29] | wagnerrp: | like if i have a very light browser window open and close it, i can see the outline on my black background |
| [21:07:34] | defaultro: | it's called temporary image retention. It happens to my plasma |
| [21:07:48] | Dagmar: | I know plasmas will burn in for good tho |
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| [21:08:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, plasmas are worse than CRTs for that |
| [21:08:14] | wagnerrp: | a couple hours and youre done |
| [21:08:31] | defaultro: | dagmar, I have left my panasonic and browser for more than 6 hours, i did see a an image retained. But my panasonic has this feature that invisible to the human eye |
| [21:08:49] | Dagmar: | You're directing this to me, why? |
| [21:08:55] | wagnerrp: | that 'feature' is called dithering |
| [21:09:01] | defaultro: | no, just telling :) |
| [21:09:10] | defaultro: | then watching a movie, the ir is gone |
| [21:09:14] | wagnerrp: | you adjust the color, you adjust the position |
| [21:09:17] | defaultro: | it's not dithering |
| [21:09:28] | wagnerrp: | normally this is to produce the illusion of higher resolution/color |
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| [21:09:42] | wagnerrp: | its just used in this case to keep the pixels active to prevent burnin |
| [21:10:02] | defaultro: | old plasma do really burn good |
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| [21:10:38] | Dagmar: | I did a brief stint in a used electronix store and saw numerous plasmas come in with some really deranged failure states |
| [21:10:43] | wagnerrp: | i remember the old CRTs in the basement engineering labs used to have the win2k 'crtl-alt-del' login screen burned in |
| [21:10:55] | Dagmar: | Do they still rather instantaneously die if you tilt them the wrong way? |
| [21:11:04] | ** sid3windr has a tft which shows me the desktop background... ** | |
| [21:11:10] | sid3windr: | with another window in front |
| [21:11:16] | sid3windr: | s/^/even / |
| [21:11:24] | defaultro: | I just looked at my plasma. The menu is called "Anti Image Retention" |
| [21:11:24] | Dagmar: | What happens when you click on the close button? ;) |
| [21:11:42] | sid3windr: | you see it again, but better! |
| [21:11:53] | sid3windr: | I can get rid of it by turning up the heat, iirc |
| [21:12:01] | Dagmar: | Ahhh |
| [21:12:14] | sid3windr: | that's my secondary monitor |
| [21:12:14] | defaultro: | wagnerrp, I'm so lucky with my rptv crt. It's 6+ years old and I don't see any burn in. Maybe, we don't watch shows with logos |
| [21:12:20] | sid3windr: | the primary shows the windows taskbar |
| [21:12:27] | sid3windr: | "burnt in" |
| [21:12:41] | sid3windr: | and I have a screensaver set to 20min, and turn off the monitors every night |
| [21:12:51] | sid3windr: | still managed to burn in ^W^Wretain image |
| [21:13:01] | defaultro: | i posted my rptv in craigslist but no one bought it. LOL |
| [21:13:40] | wagnerrp: | my friend just bought a house that came with a 'free' tv in the basement |
| [21:13:50] | defaultro: | nice |
| [21:13:55] | wagnerrp: | appanretly its a CRT HD RP |
| [21:14:02] | Dagmar: | One of those fancy wood cabinets? |
| [21:14:07] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know they made HD CRTs |
| [21:14:12] | wagnerrp: | besides a handful of sony tubes |
| [21:14:15] | Dagmar: | There's some out there, not many |
| [21:14:40] | defaultro: | i still can't believe. When nobody bought my mits 48" rptv, I hooked up my pioneer bdp-320. I can't belive the pq, it's phenomenal |
| [21:15:06] | Dagmar: | Did you tell them you'd be having it shipped from Nigeria or somethign? |
| [21:15:16] | defaultro: | problem is viewing in an angle and it's f***ing heavy |
| [21:15:30] | defaultro: | Oh, i got tons of those messages, LOL |
| [21:15:32] | Dagmar: | Bring the offer down |
| [21:15:43] | defaultro: | it's 250 |
| [21:15:45] | Dagmar: | I have to put my 35" CRT on Craigslist soon. |
| [21:15:58] | Dagmar: | Analog or not, I figure someone'll jump on it for $75 considering the condidion it's in |
| [21:15:58] | defaultro: | nobody still bought it. I told wife that i'll keep it until it dies |
| [21:16:07] | Dagmar: | I'm not going to mention how many times I recalibrated it |
| [21:16:17] | defaultro: | me too, convergence :) |
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| [21:16:29] | Dagmar: | They'll either get the wrong idea, or they'll be too scared to come pick it up |
| [21:16:41] | Dagmar: | It was a weekly ritual |
| [21:16:46] | defaultro: | my early days in mythtv, http://restricted.dyndns.org/nadia.jpg |
| [21:16:56] | defaultro: | that's the one I was selling |
| [21:17:01] | defaultro: | that was from my old house |
| [21:17:21] | Dagmar: | You had drop ceilings? |
| [21:17:25] | defaultro: | before |
| [21:17:29] | defaultro: | yep |
| [21:17:34] | defaultro: | why? |
| [21:17:39] | jst: | defaultro, that case brings back some memories |
| [21:17:41] | Dagmar: | It's rare in homes |
| [21:17:49] | defaultro: | jst, why? |
| [21:17:57] | defaultro: | oh, the pc case :) |
| [21:18:02] | jst: | yeah :) |
| [21:18:10] | Dagmar: | There were what, twelve billion of those made? |
| [21:18:15] | defaultro: | :) |
| [21:18:22] | Dagmar: | Definitely a design someone really really liked |
| [21:18:26] | defaultro: | that mythtv is still alive and still kickin very well |
| [21:18:27] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [21:18:28] | sid3windr: | I still have it |
| [21:18:31] | sid3windr: | because it rocks |
| [21:18:34] | Dagmar: | Hell, even *I* have one |
| [21:18:36] | sid3windr: | the version with the door sucks ass |
| [21:18:42] | sid3windr: | I hate doors on computers |
| [21:19:01] | jst: | what were you running on the sun box? |
| [21:19:05] | sid3windr: | though these chieftecs were nice, I now have a lian-li ;- |
| [21:19:05] | sid3windr: | ) |
| [21:19:15] | defaultro: | just the sun os 5.8 |
| [21:19:22] | defaultro: | and simple apache iirc |
| [21:19:28] | jst: | ahh |
| [21:19:32] | defaultro: | so just I won't forget the commands |
| [21:19:43] | sid3windr: | stop-a poweroff |
| [21:19:44] | defaultro: | it's in the basement now and collecting dust |
| [21:19:44] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [21:19:48] | jst: | can someone take a look at this? http://regx.dgswa.com/html/Comacast_DTA-and_MythTV |
| [21:19:55] | defaultro: | yep sid3 :) |
| [21:19:59] | jst: | why the hell doesn't the guy just get a digital tuner? |
| [21:20:03] | jst: | am i i missing something here? |
| [21:20:20] | sid3windr: | urlhastypo! |
| [21:20:32] | jst: | :( |
| [21:20:41] | Dagmar: | Because it's Comcast. |
| [21:20:53] | Dagmar: | Unless you're a HUGE fan of PBS, a digital tuner won't help with them. |
| [21:21:05] | wagnerrp: | jst: because they got a waiver to turn on the privacy mode on those DTAs |
| [21:21:15] | wagnerrp: | meaning the broadcasts are no longer clearqam |
| [21:21:16] | jst: | ahh |
| [21:21:20] | jst: | assholes |
| [21:21:24] | jst: | :-X |
| [21:21:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, were surrounded by them |
| [21:22:04] | defaultro: | wagnerrp, since I in comcast, is there a possible that they will remove all the clearqams? |
| [21:22:08] | jst: | well, where i'm moving, it's either comcast or fios :( |
| [21:22:10] | sid3windr: | beginning to sound suspiciously spaceballs-y here, wagnerrp :> |
| [21:22:14] | Dagmar: | They can't remove all of them. |
| [21:22:18] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:22:26] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: no, you are still required to get the 'must carry' stations in clear qam |
| [21:22:32] | defaultro: | cool |
| [21:22:38] | Dagmar: | They're legally forbidden from encrypting anything which has a local terrestrial unencrypted broadcast source |
| [21:22:40] | jst: | must carry being local OTA, right? |
| [21:22:43] | wagnerrp: | and they must be of at least a comparable quality to the other stations they broadcast |
| [21:22:54] | defaultro: | i'm also hoping for the 1212 to go down at least $149 |
| [21:22:58] | defaultro: | got it |
| [21:22:59] | Dagmar: | So basically, anything you can pick up in the clear without Comcast, you can get unencrypted from them |
| [21:23:01] | wagnerrp: | must carry being whatever the local stations decide it to be |
| [21:23:14] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:23:15] | jst: | i guess i'll just be running an antenna then |
| [21:23:31] | jst: | no point in paying $50, $60 for a garbage, comcast STB |
| [21:23:48] | defaultro: | jst, ext antenna from what I've read in some reviews are absolutely better than comcast's feed for their locals |
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| [21:23:59] | jst: | yeah, same here |
| [21:24:06] | jst: | i just wish i could get some of the standard channels |
| [21:24:20] | defaultro: | i left my 120" ext antenna on old house |
| [21:24:21] | jst: | unbelievable that comcast is encrypting what used to be their analog channels |
| [21:24:46] | Dagmar: | You could get those if you and everyone else weren't dirty criminals bent on not paying Comcast for watching and listening to everything twice with your two eyes and your two ears |
| [21:25:13] | defaultro: | oh, will I be able to configure .22 as mythfrontend and connect it to my .21 backend? |
| [21:25:21] | Dagmar: | You're especially a dirty criminal if you buy your own PVR instead of paying monthly fees to Comcast for their slow-ass VOD service |
| [21:25:22] | wagnerrp: | absolutely not |
| [21:25:27] | defaultro: | ouch |
| [21:25:33] | wagnerrp: | why ouch? |
| [21:25:40] | defaultro: | i'll have to rebuild the .21 |
| [21:25:40] | Led-Hed: | jst they shouldnt be encrypting the local channels |
| [21:25:49] | wagnerrp: | why should mythtv provide backwards compatibility |
| [21:25:51] | jst: | actually, can someone take a look at this for me? http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1269612 ... it shows comcast has both 191 clearqam and 41 clearqam channels... two different numbers, two different lineups? |
| [21:25:59] | defaultro: | yep, that makes sense too |
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| [21:26:07] | wagnerrp: | can you imagine the amount of code that would go into support each and every protocol revision and schema revision? |
| [21:26:13] | defaultro: | does .22 offer upgrade? |
| [21:26:20] | wagnerrp: | it always has |
| [21:26:22] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:26:29] | defaultro: | problem would be on qt4 |
| [21:26:31] | wagnerrp: | you run mythtv-setup, and it updates the database |
| [21:26:34] | defaultro: | i think my system is qt3 |
| [21:26:37] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:26:49] | Led-Hed: | jst, count on the lesser of the 2 |
| [21:26:58] | defaultro: | fedora is also jurassic, FC6 |
| [21:26:58] | jst: | yeah :( |
| [21:27:15] | defaultro: | if it ain't broke, don't fix it :) so i have never updated it |
| [21:27:30] | defaultro: | but this is the time to upgrade, it's required now :) |
| [21:27:47] | defaultro: | any suggestions before I upgrade to .22 |
| [21:27:55] | defaultro: | other than backing up sql? |
| [21:28:15] | Led-Hed: | jst, I just bought a HDHR. I had extended basic, but then switched to just basic. I had all Extended in HD with the HDHR, dropping to Basic I only lost DiscoveryHD. So I save $30 a month and only lost 1 channel |
| [21:28:51] | Led-Hed: | though all the extended analog channels are gone. but who really cares |
| [21:29:11] | defaultro: | Led-Hed, with Comcast? |
| [21:29:34] | defaultro: | how much is extended basic? |
| [21:29:39] | Led-Hed: | defaultro, kinda. Its actually charter, but I think Comcast owns the local charter co |
| [21:29:51] | Led-Hed: | defaultro, $45 |
| [21:29:54] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:30:24] | Led-Hed: | when I call for support I 1/2 the time I get comcast |
| [21:30:27] | jst: | Led-Hed, how long do you think that will last? |
| [21:30:40] | jst: | so they're broadcasting a lot of non-local stuff in clearqam? |
| [21:30:47] | Led-Hed: | jst, yes |
| [21:31:13] | Led-Hed: | and even with the Basic Trap on the line, it doesnt filter the digital channels |
| [21:31:21] | Led-Hed: | except DiscoveryHD |
| [21:31:48] | sid3windr: | you guys should be happy ;) in .be only 3 (well 6 but 3 are empty) digital channels are FTA on cable.. the others need a CI but they're locked to the STB's from the cable provider.. :( |
| [21:32:05] | sid3windr: | which is why I'm switching to DVB-S RSN ... :) |
| [21:32:40] | jst: | Led-Hed, i'm jealous |
| [21:33:05] | Led-Hed: | jst, sorry |
| [21:33:23] | Led-Hed: | I live in the sticks, so I doubt things will change for quite a while |
| [21:33:36] | jst: | where i'm moving is kind of the sticks, too... laurel, md |
| [21:33:42] | jst: | well, 20 miles outside DC |
| [21:34:00] | jst: | ugh, i just want NTSC for speed, discovery, history, etc. |
| [21:37:24] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [21:37:36] | Dagmar: | I never knew how much a pack of bastards Comcast are until just now |
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| [21:38:00] | Dagmar: | Judging by what's on their site, apparently if I were to "upgrade" to digital cable, I'd still be getting Syfy in SD |
| [21:38:05] | Dagmar: | Non-digital. |
| [21:38:07] | Dagmar: | Screw that |
| [21:41:36] | jst: | Led-Hed, do you think there's a chance that hdhomerun's web site is showing 41 and 114 programs for laurel, MD because someone scanned w/ a trap and someone scanned without one? |
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| [21:43:33] | Led-Hed: | jst, the trap doesnt encrypt the channels. So I doubt it |
| [21:43:53] | Led-Hed: | jst, you have an HDHR? |
| [21:44:11] | jst: | i don't even live in the area yet |
| [21:44:13] | jst: | moving soon |
| [21:44:20] | Led-Hed: | oh |
| [21:44:41] | Led-Hed: | I was gonna say, just connect the cable from the wall to your TV and scan |
| [21:44:48] | jst: | heh i know |
| [21:44:50] | jst: | i wish i could |
| [21:44:55] | Led-Hed: | should give you an idea of how many channels you would get |
| [21:44:57] | jst: | and googling about people who have is worthless |
| [21:45:13] | jst: | (at least in that area) |
| [21:45:26] | Led-Hed: | jst, no real way to tell till U get there |
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| [21:46:43] | jst: | yeah |
| [21:46:44] | jst: | In the end, this is "power to the people" as once cable starts securing expanded digital basic against cable theft, many "people" will benefit from getting expanded basic digital service on one of their two included ("free") DTAs, instead of having to pay extra for a STB. This is one of those cases where more advanced users have to defer to the needs of the overwhelmingly large group of less advanced users. |
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| [21:46:49] | jst: | so true % |
| [21:46:50] | jst: | ^ |
| [21:47:02] | jst: | such is life |
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| [22:07:43] | jst: | this is strange... i scheduled a recording last night, and i am watching it now, but nothing is listed in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings... |
| [22:07:59] | Dagmar: | check your filters |
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| [22:09:44] | bullfrogger: | anyone having trouble with channel autoscan? |
| [22:10:34] | Dibblah: | You really think that cable companies will stop charging just because people stop being able to steal service easily? Heh. |
| [22:10:43] | Dibblah: | That's Not How It Works. |
| [22:11:32] | Dibblah: | bullfrogger: Trouble as in? |
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| [22:14:42] | Dagmar: | I would like to see the FCC grow a pair and properly fistf**k a few cable companies for what they do to interfere in new technology |
| [22:15:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:17:42] | Dagmar: | I'm finally getting around to upgrading to digital cable, and I've made it clear (like the sales people care) that the moment they start jerking me around even a tiny bit more, I switch to AT&T's Uverse or no cable at al |
| [22:19:02] | clever: | Dagmar: i just got an HD tv here, and the only 'digital' channels it can find are 480i |
| [22:19:12] | [R]: | Dagmar: do you think they care though? |
| [22:20:34] | jst: | i have two tuner cards in my backend... one is /dev/dvb/adapter0 and the other is /dev/dvb/adapter1... how can i tell which card is which? |
| [22:21:18] | Dagmar: | Oh I'm sure they don't |
| [22:21:30] | Dagmar: | Then again, I have no intention of actually stopping |
| [22:22:08] | Dagmar: | I'll simply adopt a super-villain secret identity and start telling everyone who wants to listen how to get back the things they could do before Comcast started trying to take stuff away again |
| [22:22:10] | antgel: | jst: check your dmesg log |
| [22:22:35] | Dagmar: | They're not even the least bit etheical, so they don't really deserve that treatment from their customsers IMHO |
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| [22:22:57] | Dagmar: | That SuperDMCA crap from a few years back is just one example |
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| [22:23:19] | Dagmar: | If it had passed, I would have overnight become guilty of three class D felonies and one class E felony. |
| [22:23:28] | Dagmar: | Just because I run my own damn firewall |
| [22:23:39] | Dagmar: | They don't care in the least. |
| [22:23:40] | clever: | LOL |
| [22:23:56] | Dagmar: | They were quite willing to get that law passed, regardless of what it took away from everyone else |
| [22:23:59] | clever: | wouldnt that make damn near every router illegal? |
| [22:24:06] | Dagmar: | So, in my opinion, they don't really deserve any sympathy |
| [22:24:13] | Dagmar: | clever: It would actually. |
| [22:24:28] | clever: | and every copy of windows? :D |
| [22:24:31] | Dagmar: | That was something we brought up in front of the house committee here |
| [22:24:35] | Dagmar: | No, not windows. |
| [22:24:45] | clever: | windows has a firewall built in... |
| [22:25:01] | clever: | and unlike linux, you cant uninstall it to meet the law:P |
| [22:25:02] | Dagmar: | What it amounted to is that if your ISP offered any "service" and you opted to perform that "service" yourself instead of paying them to do it, you would be in breach of the law. |
| [22:25:26] | Dagmar: | clever: It wasn't an already installed part of Windows then |
| [22:25:26] | clever: | ah |
| [22:25:48] | clever: | it seems like one of the core features that cant be removed |
| [22:25:52] | Dagmar: | So... all those linksys router/firewalls... Illegal overnight because Comcast had just rolled out said service for an additional $20/month |
| [22:25:57] | Dagmar: | A service they have since dropped. |
| [22:26:04] | clever: | ah |
| [22:26:14] | Dagmar: | It's pretty clear they were positioning themselves to use the law to force people to pay them more money per month. |
| [22:26:21] | Dagmar: | All PVRs would have been illegal. |
| [22:26:40] | Dagmar: | That's $16.50 a month now. It was $25 a month when they thought they could use the law to force people to pay them |
| [22:26:57] | clever: | and it gives you what?, 5 hours of storage? |
| [22:27:10] | Dagmar: | I could care less how much storage it gives |
| [22:27:20] | Dagmar: | I almost never watch TV in front of the TV. |
| [22:27:59] | clever: | i keep telling my dad that nearly every monitor in the house is capable of HD display |
| [22:28:03] | clever: | and we need an HD box |
| [22:28:11] | Dagmar: | I basically had to threaten a state senators job directly in a very unsubtle way, they were so fixated on the idea that the law was fine. |
| [22:28:15] | Dagmar: | Someone had clearly been bribed. |
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| [22:28:55] | clever: | he hasnt realy considered it at all |
| [22:29:04] | clever: | but now we have a 'proper' HDTV |
| [22:29:27] | Dagmar: | Like, I'm standing there with a Linksys router in my hand saying "If you pass this law, the use of this device by myself and all these other people here, will immediately be classified as a felony" |
| [22:29:54] | Dagmar: | "We'll be subject to potential jail time, legal fees, and definitely hefty fines, all at the whim of a private commercial enterprise." |
| [22:30:23] | Dagmar: | "This is not even a constitutional law, and that is what happens when you allow laws that contravene constition to be passed." |
| [22:30:23] | clever: | the poor excuse for a 'router' that the ISP gave me doesnt even have port forwarding |
| [22:30:46] | Dagmar: | His ansawe? "Oh come on now, no one's going to jail. That's not the intent of the law at all." |
| [22:30:47] | clever: | ive looked it up online, and the UI looks nothing like the 20 examples |
| [22:31:27] | Dagmar: | He questioned my claim that the law would be unconstitutional, and I pointed out "It's YOUR job to acutally know these things. Why is it that you *don't*?" |
| [22:32:03] | Dagmar: | Then I pointed out that I had people who owed me favors at two different news stations after my last interaction with state gov't |
| [22:32:29] | Dagmar: | When I have to put on a suit and go downtown, the gloves are definitely going to be off. |
| [22:33:09] | Dagmar: | Considering that that senator's _son_ headed up some special interest group that was promoting the bill... It would not have gone well for him. |
| [22:33:12] | Dagmar: | I didnt' even know that at the time. |
| [22:33:45] | Dagmar: | This is why I get so pissy with the pirates |
| [22:34:31] | Dagmar: | They have no idea, or no concern, that casually flaunting the law just gives these organized crime gangs more pull with law enforcement and congress in order to try to get even more perfectly reasonable use rights taken away |
| [22:35:50] | Dagmar: | BitTorrrent would be getting hailed as the next big thing since pre-sliced bread if it weren't for all the damn pirates. |
| [22:36:31] | clever: | ive seen atleast 2 legal uses of bit torrent |
| [22:36:44] | Dagmar: | I've used it for legal things many many times |
| [22:36:44] | clever: | blizard updates for wow, and open source stuff like ubuntu cd images |
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| [22:37:29] | wagnerrp: | nearly all distros offer images off bittorrent |
| [22:37:48] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im half surprised Valve hasnt implemented something similar into steam |
| [22:38:13] | Dagmar: | I think they did an end run around it with content caching nodes at major ISP peering points |
| [22:38:15] | wagnerrp: | upload the sealed packages to other users in return for credits |
| [22:38:56] | Dagmar: | Steam stuff comes down the cablemodem here at pretty much the max the cablemodem will handle, and with a latency that pretty much precludes it's source being more than 5–8 hops away |
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| [22:39:40] | Dagmar: | I also suspect they're encrypting pre-release stuff on a per-user basis |
| [22:39:47] | jst: | ugh, i can't find any information in dmesg about /dev/dvb/adaper[0,1] |
| [22:39:55] | jst: | is there an easy way to tell which card is which? |
| [22:39:55] | Dagmar: | That would preclude swarming/distributed downloads |
| [22:40:51] | MTughan_: | We have a MythTV box here, and are looking to upgrade it. Is there any need to go to a quad-core, or will a dual-core processor be fine? I know the most CPU heavy task would be transcoding, but I don't know how much that would benefit from more cores. It will be using 0.22. |
| [22:41:14] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to do bluray playback? |
| [22:41:25] | MTughan_: | Probably not. |
| [22:41:36] | wagnerrp: | then you really have no need for quad core |
| [22:41:50] | MTughan_: | What about dual? |
| [22:42:05] | [R]: | you can buy a non-dual core cpu? |
| [22:42:07] | jst: | my backend runs on a single core fine |
| [22:42:19] | MTughan_: | [R]: Yes, amazingly enough. :P |
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| [22:43:09] | wagnerrp: | but you want dual core |
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| [22:44:48] | MTughan_: | wagnerrp: Okay, thanks a lot. |
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| [23:00:48] | bullfrogger: | I am having trouble with autoscan with my atitv card |
| [23:01:05] | bullfrogger: | does anyone know if it's a bug in ubuntu karmic |
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| [23:05:57] | oobe: | justinh will tell you how to fix that bullfrogger its not a ubuntu karmic issue its a mythtv issue |
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| [23:09:04] | bullfrogger: | ok so who is justinh and how do I ask him |
| [23:09:09] | bullfrogger: | ? |
| [23:09:31] | oobe: | i was sought of kidding but he would if he was around |
| [23:09:48] | jblack: | He's here. you say "justinh: I want to paypal you money in return for some help" |
| [23:10:22] | jblack: | he doesn't demand money, but you should buy him a beer. =) |
| [23:10:34] | oobe: | you need to scan for channels by manually adding the transports in one by one until the bug is fixed or the easier way is to make a channels.conf file using scan in dvb-utils |
| [23:11:00] | bullfrogger: | but it isn't dvb it's anolog cable |
| [23:11:15] | defaultro: | hey folks, if I upgrade my QT3 to QT4, will it affect my 0.21? |
| [23:11:19] | oobe: | also changing the time out setting in ur tuner setup can help |
| [23:12:09] | oobe: | oh ok then well i dont know about analogue cable |
| [23:12:18] | Dagmar: | That depends on if you can do it without screwing up your Qt libs |
| [23:12:34] | defaultro: | k |
| [23:14:13] | ctmjr: | bullfrogger: just to let you know your not alone my ati card cannot scan analog cable either but i get channel info from xmltv so it is not an issue with me |
| [23:16:44] | oobe: | how would that help? |
| [23:18:37] | bullfrogger: | so i guess i just have to add them manually |
| [23:21:26] | Dagmar: | defaultro: I'm not implying you can't, BTW, just highlighting that unless you've installed both versions at the same time before, well, it's not for the timid |
| [23:21:54] | justinh: | bullfrogger: analogue scanning doesn't work in 0.22 |
| [23:22:48] | justinh: | if you're in the US/Canada you get frequency/channel numbers from Schedules Direct, otherwise you have to enter everything yourself, or find some other way – as yet undocumented |
| [23:24:14] | justinh: | funny, I didn't think I was even logged in still |
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| [23:26:38] | clop2: | hi, i just downloaded the myth packages for ubuntu (current, 9.10); anyone know if I need to do anything special to enable xvmc, or of a way to test if xvmc is installed and being used? |
| [23:27:25] | justinh: | if it's a digital TV issue, seems that full scanning has issues with *some* cards but doing a full (tuned) or just a tuned scan of a known good transponder (multiplex) frequency will get you where you want to be |
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| [23:27:43] | justinh: | ach well. just no helping some folks eh |
| [23:28:08] | justinh: | clop2: should be compiled in by default but you'll prolly have to choose a video playback profile which uses xvmc |
| [23:28:32] | justinh: | if you absolutely need xvmc my advice would be to get a better setup |
| [23:28:53] | clop2: | ok |
| [23:31:15] | jblack: | peopleofwalmart.com makes me sad. |
| [23:31:40] | justinh: | made me laugh & be glad I live in the UK (for once) |
| [23:32:02] | jblack: | Probably for the exact same reason. |
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| [23:37:22] | achandra: | hello, im experiencing the double screen issue on 0.22 and a jvc bigscreen tv...i read up on the fact it might be an interlacing issue. anyone know to resolve this on 0.22? |
| [23:38:08] | oobe: | achandra, what is ur graphics card |
| [23:38:29] | oobe: | you can expirement with multiple playback profiles to test |
| [23:38:56] | sphery: | achandra: don't use Bob or any of the 2x deinterlacers |
| [23:39:25] | sphery: | achandra: as oobe said, they're in the Playback Profile setup (Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, screen 3) |
| [23:39:41] | oobe: | 2x deintlacers sound like they could make the screen go double :) |
| [23:40:11] | sphery: | you select the profile (the thing within the groups--i.e. Slim and CPU+ are groups) and "Edit Entry". You'll need to go to the 2nd page of settings for the profile for deinterlace, IIRC |
| [23:40:43] | sphery: | If you have CPU+ selected as the group, just change it to Slim |
| [23:40:55] | achandra: | oobe, radeon hd 4850 |
| [23:40:56] | sphery: | Slim is probably what everyone who isn't using VDPAU should be using |
| [23:41:05] | sphery: | achandra: yeah, it's a bug in the ATI drivers |
| [23:41:56] | achandra: | k |
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| [23:42:49] | achandra: | interesting...very close to having the hd-pvr setup working...i did run into the pause message in backend, so I have it all installed on a much more powerful system..and re-installing as we speak |
| [23:43:14] | achandra: | sphery, oobe almost there....thanks for the assist! |
| [23:43:23] | sphery: | good luck with the rest! |
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| [23:44:01] | achandra: | sphery, looking forward to finishing the darn project...wa$ not cheap... |
| [23:44:24] | sphery: | yeah, IMHO, Myth is a luxury DVR system |
| [23:44:40] | sphery: | anyone going into Myth with an idea of a "cheap DVR" is bound to be disappointed |
| [23:45:27] | sphery: | (either by making a system that can't do what Myth does--i.e. a "broken" or "not fully functional" Myth box--or by having to spend even more money to upgrade than they would have spent designing it properly in the first place) |
| [23:45:46] | achandra: | sphery, hdpvr $200+, hd 4850 $160, dvi to hd cable $100, having my wife yell at me — NOT priceless |
| [23:45:47] | achandra: | ;) |
| [23:45:51] | sphery: | but once you get it working (and working right), you're likely to decide it's well worth it |
| [23:46:02] | sphery: | harder part is convincing the significant other... |
| [23:46:17] | sphery: | heh, you should do MasterCard commercials |
| [23:46:19] | achandra: | oh she saw the bank statement |
| [23:46:38] | achandra: | and there is holiday gift for this year....damn |
| [23:47:03] | sphery: | ah, yeah, unexpected expenses at this time isn't ideal |
| [23:47:16] | achandra: | the price of break free of the "man" and sticking it to him is definitely high |
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| [23:47:36] | sphery: | yeah, and then there are the other costs |
| [23:47:41] | achandra: | sphery, anyhow...im sure ill be back asking questions...lol |
| [23:48:21] | achandra: | sphery, btw..will the slim settings work just fine for 1080p play? |
| [23:48:22] | sphery: | i.e. if you get to the point of really wanting to stop supporting the cable co's who overcharge for bad service, then you drop cable and are stuck with OTA channels only and what you can buy/rent on DVD |
| [23:49:00] | sphery: | (which is what I ended up doing--and it's actually cheaper than cable was, even after purchasing all the DVD's of cable shows) |
| [23:49:13] | sphery: | though depending on your TV tastes, that could be /much/ more expensive |
| [23:49:29] | achandra: | sphery, pehaps something like this, and a cheap appletv with boxee or something.. |
| [23:49:41] | achandra: | sphery, im pretty sick of the $hit |
| [23:49:44] | sphery: | achandra: yeah, Slim is perfect--it's basically what Myth did for software playback before we had Playback Profiles |
| [23:49:53] | achandra: | i see k |
| [23:50:04] | sphery: | therefore, it works on nearly every system in existence (all of them that can do software decode and Xv) |
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| [23:50:42] | sphery: | IMHO, the name is terrible--it makes people (especially those who feel too "macho" to use a group called Slim) think it's second rate |
| [23:51:17] | sphery: | it really just means "will work /even/ on low-powered machines, at least for the low-resolution, low-bitrate material they can decode" |
| [23:51:22] | achandra: | sphery, to be honest, Id like to know about what it does..mind the explaining? |
| [23:51:35] | sphery: | as opposed to the others that use a lot of CPU cycles to bring tiny changes in video quality |
| [23:51:50] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles |
| [23:51:54] | achandra: | sphery, wondering if that will fix the the glitch/glitching as well |
| [23:52:06] | achandra: | k |
| [23:52:10] | achandra: | will read up |
| [23:52:11] | sphery: | basically, Slim is /not/ using XvMC (which is garbage), is using a basic 1x deinterlacer |
| [23:52:16] | achandra: | good stuff...already learned a ton |
| [23:52:31] | sphery: | the CPU* ones tend to throw in things like XvMC or PVR-350 decode |
| [23:52:52] | sphery: | the Normal and HQ ones spend 100% or more additional CPU time on deinterlacing |
| [23:52:56] | achandra: | btw..i got the 4250hdc channel changer working...with the serial/model changes, recompiled and works like a charm on the sa4250hdc |
| [23:53:07] | sphery: | which may or may not make for a better picture, but won't work on many machings |
| [23:53:22] | achandra: | yeah...we'll give it a whirl |
| [23:53:34] | achandra: | and btw everyone here has been great so far with the assist. |
| [23:53:45] | achandra: | sphery, thanks again |
| [23:53:56] | sphery: | The best bet is to start with Slim. If it works, then try Normal. If it works, you can try HQ. If any along the way don't work (prebuffering pauses, etc), then drop back to the previous one in the list or go in and create a custom profile using some "middle ground" approach. |
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| [23:54:37] | sphery: | but when just starting, Slim is the way to go |
| [23:54:58] | antgel: | kate moss did say nothing tastes as good as Slim feels |
| [23:55:16] | antgel: | hmm, overtired |
| [23:55:23] | sphery: | (I'm still using Slim as the differences in deint are small compared to the CPU difference and in some ways, the "better" deints introduce more "distortion".) |
| [23:55:50] | sphery: | antgel: heh, maybe that will get more people to choose it... Might have to change the help text for Slim to that. |
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