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Friday, December 11th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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jpabq_:

sphery: skd5aner: I have not been good at keeping that ticket up to date. Someone reported that it does not apply clean to current trunk, so I need to figure out why. That ticket does not interest me too much, because I don't need it with my setup. Chutt does not like it, because it needs to create another thread to do it's job — so it may never get commited unless someone like danielk wants to champion it.

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skd5aner:

:(

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jpabq_:

I actually don't know what Chutt's problem with creating another thread is. Several patches over the last few months have created more threads.....

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skd5aner:

jpabq_: I'm using the sa3250hd channel changing script, but I don't know C – how would I go about adding the sleep to the script before recompiling?

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jpabq_:

skd5aner: The sa3250hd channel changer is a compiled program? If so, I would just wrap it inside a shell script.

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skd5aner:

yea

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skd5aner:

I suppose I can try and do that

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jpabq_:

skd5aner: this is what I use on my system http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1710340

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skd5aner:

jpabq_: thanks, I have to admit that I'm a giant newb in this arena, don't have much experience writting shell scripts

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skd5aner:

the syntax of the command is /usr/local/bin/sa3250hd -s CHANNUM

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skd5aner:

I need to execute that, then sleep – I'd be comfortable with 2 seconds

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skd5aner:

sorry, sa3250ch (not hd)

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skd5aner:

let me see if I can piece it together :)

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jpabq_:

skd5aner: so, in your shell script, it would be something like "sa3250ch -s $1"

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jpabq_:

you may need the whole path to sa3250ch

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skd5aner:

ahh – I figured it out :)

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skd5aner:

on my own (well, sorta – copied and pasted your, changed some things, tested it out) and it worked like a charm

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skd5aner:

sleep 1 = 1 seconds?

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jpabq_:

yes

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skd5aner:

cool, thanks!

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jpabq_:

Your welcome.

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skd5aner:

I'm running into this bug in ubuntu, and man is it one of the most annoying ones I've ever come across: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/25632

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skd5aner:

I lose analog PCM sound via SPDIF, and it takes a speaker-test to restore it :P

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skd5aner:

meanwhile, AC3 will passthrough without any problems

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skd5aner:

well I think I see one problem – withing "TV Frontend" VIEWCARD is set to "Y" and within TV Playback NEXTSOURCE is set to "Y", is that defaulted like that?

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skd5aner:

sphery: ^^^

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skd5aner:

OK – removed the Y binding for VIEWCARD, and so Y is now just bound to NEXTSOURCE. However, when in LiveTV, and I hit Y, I *instantly* lose all keyboard/input response withing myth (I can still alt-tab)

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skd5aner:

Kind of at a loss now :(

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oobe:

make a ticket

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skd5aner:

oobe: I will, but I was specifically working with sphery on a ticket that may be similarly related and wanted to talk it through before opening yet another ticket in trac

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oobe:

yea i wasnt fully following your convo and am aware of the input problem but hasnt bothered me enough to make a ticket

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skd5aner:

is it any specific keys, anything that triggers the loss of input, or does it happen randomly?

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oobe:

i was told it was using the screenshot util

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oobe:

but i dont use it and it still happens

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oobe:

restarting the frontend works

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skd5aner:

mine seems to be specific key combos that does it

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skd5aner:

yes, and restarting the frontend works for me too

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skd5aner:

if I open a ticket, keep an eye out for it

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oobe:

yeah i will

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oobe:

i know you dont use a remote but i have irexec run a script that kills the frontend and starts a new one i use it somtimes

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skd5aner:

yea – I need a couple things like that

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oobe:

you could do the same thing but bind it to a keyboard comno in your x env

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oobe:

*combo

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oobe:

so say you type ctl+shift+D it would run a script that killall -9 mythfrontend exec /usr/bin/mythtfrontend

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skd5aner:

OK – Live TV needs some loving, I try to pick a channel, and I have multiple tuners open that can tune to it, but when I pick it, it doesn't tune to it and instead tunes to a differnt channel :P

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czth:

are you using a tuning script or plain cable?

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skd5aner:

So I have 4 physical HD tuners and 3 SD, each of my 4 physical tuners has 4 virtual multiplex tuners

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skd5aner:

Tuner 1 is recording, but when I launch LiveTV, it picks the same physical tuner and I can only tune to channels on the same multiplex

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skd5aner:

Why won't it pick a different physical tuner?! UGH!

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wagnerrp:

because mythtv picks the first available tuner

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can tell it to pick the last available tuner

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wagnerrp:

or you can adjust the tuner order so you have all seven physical tuners before the virtual ones

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I have it set to avoid conflicts

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skd5aner:

also – readjusting the order the virtual tuners, that sounds like it could work...

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skd5aner:

however, I wonder if that wouldn't cause other incovniences, like when I have a back-to-back recording on the same multiplex, wouldn't it then use two physical tuners rather than the virtual ones on the same multiplex?

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wagnerrp:

add the digital tuners, each set with one VT

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wagnerrp:

then add the analogs

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wagnerrp:

then go back and add additional VTs

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wagnerrp:

it may cause issues with recording multiples on a single multiplex

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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skd5aner:

hmmm – that might be a good "solution"

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skd5aner:

well, work-a-round

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wagnerrp:

its a solution, dont know if i would call it a good one

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skd5aner:

either way, it's kind of sucky when it's 8PM, and you open up the EPG in LiveTV, hit enter on channel 227 and it tunes to 220 :P

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skd5aner:

did I say 220 mythtv? no – I said 227, but myth knows better

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skd5aner:

sigh

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skd5aner:

good thing I use livetv <10% of the time, but still

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skd5aner:

The interesting thing is that the scheduler is smart enough to do this for recordings, but not for livetv

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skd5aner:

it knows if it can use a tuner for the same multiplex, or if a different tuner is necesssary (physical that is)

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borei:

hi all

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borei:

completelly stuck wit tvout

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borei:

i have nvidia 6600GT + 190.42 dirivers

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borei:

and 26 inches panasonc 26LX50

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borei:

connected via component

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borei:

console mode works fine

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borei:

but X windows (KDE) doesn't want to show picture

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borei:

does anybody has an experinece ?

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borei:

anybody here today ?

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wagnerrp:

212 of us here

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borei:

LOL

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borei:

anybody worked with TVout ?

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wagnerrp:

once you start X, the nvidia driver takes over, and it displays where it wants

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wagnerrp:

you may have to force it to a particular output

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wagnerrp:

at least ive had to for svideo

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wagnerrp:

easiest is just to hook up another monitor, go into the nvidia settings gui, and set it that way

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borei:

problem is TV shows nothing after i started X

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borei:

i have only TV as a second monitor

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wagnerrp:

you have two monitors?

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wagnerrp:

rather, this machine is running two displays?

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borei:

nope TV and monitor

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wagnerrp:

then you really should manage that through the nvidia gui

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Kavorka_:

have smoothly upgraded from 0.21 to 0.22...but have noticed when watching tv or a recording the picture isnt taking up the full screen vertically (horizontal is fine)...ie there is about a 5% gap on the top and bottom....i have tried the vertical resize option within the setup but all that does is resize the existing picture...anyone experienced a similar issue?

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borei:

TV is "analog" device monitor is digital

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wagnerrp:

thats fine... nvidia gui

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borei:

you mean nvidia settings ?

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borei:

nvidia-settings

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wagnerrp:

yes

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borei:

doesn't help

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borei:

no signal on TV

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wagnerrp:

then youre likely not using the tool properly

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wagnerrp:

force it to detect the other display

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wagnerrp:

and enable it

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wagnerrp:

you may have to restart X for it to take effect

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borei:

how can i say to detect second monitor ?

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borei:

sorry TV

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wagnerrp:

dont recall off hand

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wagnerrp:

but theres not a whole lot of options

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borei:

i don't see that option

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sandeen:

is there a howto or other docs on how to add a new menu to the new terra theme.... like to add a hulu desktop launcher? :)

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oobe:

sandeen, there is plenty of docs but you should find it easy without docs by just opening up /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/mainmenu.xml then copying and pasting one menu entry then modifying it

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achandra:

hello...I almost have my mythtv box setup with hd-pvr...Trying to get the remote working can someone point me in the right direction?

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[Steven_M]:

hi all

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is the web server/xml port always 6544? or is it +1 from the server port?

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[Steven_M]:

would an externel esata drive be too slow to run mythtv off of

[08:13:34]

[Steven_M]:

?

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wagnerrp:

no slower than an internal sata drive

[08:16:20]

[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: ok, cool :)

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** [Steven_M] is going to try to setup mythtv under gentoo :) **

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[Steven_M]:

has gentoo got a good rep for running mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

sure... except for people mistakenly compiling dependencies without proper support for things, and the whole 0.22 database SNAFU

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: SNAFU?

[08:23:25]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the default database settings in gentoo caused problems with people migrating existing setups to 0.22

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: oh ok

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** wagnerrp runs gentoo on several systems **

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[Steven_M]:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure if mythtv under gentoo would cope with my stupid ATI graphics card though.

[08:32:46]

wagnerrp:

it would just as well as any other distro

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[Steven_M]:

ok, should I recomple X with the sdl flag?

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

sdl won't do you a jot of good – see mythtv doesn't use sdl

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jduggan:

details

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jduggan:

:o

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justinh:

fwiw your luck with ATI cards is largely determined by the presence (or lack of) support in ATI's own binary driver

[08:57:35]

justinh:

which depending on the day of the week, may include your card. YMMV

[09:00:27]

[Steven_M]:

justinh: I see :)

[09:01:27]

justinh:

the most important thing is Xv – X Video acceleration where scaling & a bit of colourspace conversion is done on the graphics hardware. If support for that isn't in the driver, playback is going to *SUCK*

[09:01:54]

justinh:

unless you can make opengl video rendering work – for which you need working opengl of course

[09:02:07]

justinh:

but AFAIK it never worked on ATI anyway

[09:02:44]

justinh:

the open source ATI driver is coming along but don't expect much

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[Steven_M]:

justinh: ok, I'll try to get the ATI driver working tomorrow.

[09:04:41]

[Steven_M]:

night all :)

[09:04:45]

justinh:

night

[09:05:07]

** justinh goes to see what insanity befell the -users list lately **

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justinh:

and the award for the thread which went most off-topic in a short period of time goes to: The Boxee Box

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meshe:

yay, getting pages for a network that's 1000 miles away which for some reason uses a dns server located here...

[09:14:06]

Dibblah:

Hmmmm. [mythtv] Streaming Audio In MythMusic

[09:14:17]

Dibblah:

Shame it won't make trunk, probably :(

[09:15:13]

justinh:

with patch!

[09:15:16]

justinh:

:-O

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Dibblah:

Yeah, frontend only. Which in a way is a shame, in a way it's how it should work. I'm not decided :(

[09:16:10]

justinh:

looks not badly done at first glance too

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justinh:

I think the question is how it'd fit in with the plan to implement music SGs

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justinh:

and AFAIK the thinking towards stream playlists originally was that the db structure would be able to treat online streams as playlistable items – i.e. they'd be just like any other audio, only instead of a file the db would point to a URI

[09:19:29]

justinh:

so no need for new tables. maybe a couple of new columns – one to flag an item is a stream

[09:20:15]

justinh:

I can't help but wonder how hard it'd be to make it a upnp player, then just slap a upnp music backend on it

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justinh:

I dunno enough about upnp though, maybe it'd be too limiting

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jst:

Hey, all. I've noticed that mythcommflag works very well for most shows, but it's not as accurate for flagging commercials of news shows with tickers/crawlers running at the bottom of the screen. Is there any way to force mythcommflag to ignore the bottom few pixels of each recording?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

arghhh Horizon recorded but it was the ravey wavey davey geezer doing the arm waving thing

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jst:

justinh: Were you talking to me?

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justinh:

jst: yes. so the answer is an emphatic NO

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jst:

that sucks... maybe i could write a patch :(

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justinh:

we don't get to choose anything about commflagging other than the methods used. and folks know little about those

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jst:

sounds like a religious deity

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justinh:

video analysis is rightly seen as something of a black art

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justinh:

next to the code which does the recording & playing it's probably gonna be about as complex as it gets in mythtv

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justinh:

heh. this twittering of recordings is all well & good. BUT. I'm starting to miss real tweets now & am considering unfollowing my own script.

[10:12:19]

meshe:

i understand that scheduling is the other major voodoo code in myth

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justinh:

the BUQ certainly is :)

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justinh:

"fill in this survey and have the chance to win a £500 Primark shopping spree". ROFLMAO

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Dibblah:

... Yeah, but what'll they do once you've emptied the store? Give you vouchers for the rest?

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justinh:

all quiet on the Western front again eh

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jblack:

I have some old home vhs movies that I want to convert to avi before they're lost. Any suggestions as to what tools I should look at?

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justinh:

whatever Windows utils came with your capture card :D

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jblack:

I don't have windows. :)

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jblack:

maybe mencoder can come to the rescue

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justinh:

you're being serious?

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jblack:

I'm completely sincere. I have _no_ idea of what encoding is pumped out by dvb adapters

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justinh:

if you have 5 or more I'd probably suggest buying a DVD recorder & using that

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justinh:

less hassle

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jblack:

And then, just rip the dvd post copy.

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justinh:

much easier

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justinh:

and you get a very good quality first copy which would lessen the strain on your tapes

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justinh:

:P

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jblack:

Ok, I can do that, as it happens there are about half a dozen tapes. Mostly of the kid before she turned into satan incarnate

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justinh:

or if you have a digi camcorder with analogue input....

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jblack:

Nope. Old '90s svhs tech.

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justinh:

I've gone down that route. WAY easier than ficking around with tuner cards

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jblack:

The tapes are starting to rust. literally.

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justinh:

heh. I want to re-digitise my VHS before too long too

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jblack:

Yeah. and I can teach the ex (it's her mission, not mine), to do the actual dubbing.

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justinh:

I'll be borrowing my dad's DVD recorder

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justinh:

my inlaws' Sony PVR can do it too

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jblack:

Ok. Dentist time.

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jblack:

Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna take it

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justinh:

grabbing via firewire (via camcorder analogue input) is prolly the least lossy way to go for VHS capping though. Every little helps with el-grunge-o-VHS

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justinh:

oh cocking Ubuntu forums requiring you to be signed in to get a script which updates PPA keys

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Dibblah:

It's almost like they don't want you using unapproved ppas or something...

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justinh:

yeah, the gits

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justinh:

they're hosted on launchpad – is that not a stamp of some kind of approval?

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Dibblah:

No.

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justinh:

have to wonder at their motivation then, really

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_abbenormal:

ok guys need some info or somewhere to look to find info on myth sources im running 2 switches and a hdhomerun 9 inputs im only seeing 2 of the sources in the menu am i not looking in the right spot

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_abbenormal:

the homerun hd and one of the switches

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_abbenormal:

only seeing 6 inputs

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_abbenormal:

sorry if my terminology is wrong

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_abbenormal:

this is using the menu button switch sources

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wagnerrp:

seems some israelis claim to have developed antigravity

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mag0o:

well, there goes the nba

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wagnerrp:

produces a force by interacting with vacuum particles, no change in mass required

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wagnerrp:

although i wonder what the energy requirement is

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dserban:

vacuum particles? Oh no is this going to end up being some sort of mass extermination of hoovers?

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markl_:

9.10 fresh install with apt-get, getting this error when playing a dvd: libdvdchapter not found

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markl_:

is there an obvious fix:

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markl_:

and also

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dserban:

sudo aptitude install libdvdchapter? (sorry I don't run mythbuntu)

[17:03:26]

markl_:

my hd homerun reception seems to be way worse than my pchdtv cards that it replaced

[17:03:49]

markl_:

dserban: no i tried apt-cache search already :)

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dserban:

mmk

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markl_:

are the homeruns known to be worse in this regard? I may have to just get a d4 antenna or something, I have a cheapo radio shack one now

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wagnerrp:

markl_: depends, you ARE trying to push two tuners now with the same signal

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markl_:

wagnerrp: same antenna setup as with my dual pchdtv cards though

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wagnerrp:

i have heard claims that the hdhr gets poorer reception than other cards

[17:09:45]

wagnerrp:

but whether that is legitimate, or whether people were complaining about an un-amped dual tuner performing worse than a single tuner, i have no idea

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markl_:

in this case the signal is a good 20% weaker than with my dual pchdtv cards; but I'm going to try a d4 antenna and maybe that will help

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markl_:

my dvd error is: libdvdnav: chapter NOT FOUND!

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wagnerrp:

this is a real dvd? not an ISO?

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wagnerrp:

or VIDEO_TS folder

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markl_:

no it is a rip, no clue what software he used

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markl_:

seems like a bad one

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markl_:

but it works on his windows media center which i'm trying to wean him from

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wagnerrp:

a fresh install of 0.22... using storage groups for mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

ISOs dont work with storage groups currently

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markl_:

it is a fresh install, i just pointed the video directory to /media

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markl_:

some of the rips work, some don't

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sphery:

wagnerrp: It's the "Status Port" setting in mythtv-setup (BackendStatusPort)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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namg989:

Hello all, I was looking to build a VERY reliable DVR system instead of purchasing a TiVo. Anyone have any suggesting as to the best tuner card I should get, and which Myth distro I should be working with?

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wagnerrp:

have you ever used linux before?

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namg989:

Some system admin work at the office but mostly I high end Windows guy.

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wagnerrp:

what distro have you used?

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namg989:

We are a Red HAt/Centos shop

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meshe:

probably mythdora then

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wagnerrp:

centos is generally not considered a good distro for mythtv

[18:01:40]

wagnerrp:

the fact that they stick with a version for several years means that you miss out on drivers, and have some other dependency issues

[18:01:47]

wagnerrp:

but yeah, mythdora would probably be good

[18:02:10]

wagnerrp:

as far as what tuner... .what do you want to tune

[18:02:10]

meshe:

as for tuner that depends on what you want to record

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namg989:

Any reason why I shouldn't consider Mythbuntu?

[18:02:25]

meshe:

HD, SD, cable, from a set-top box

[18:03:09]

namg989:

Connection is to local cable operator offering NTSC and Clear QAM channels

[18:03:20]

namg989:

HD

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meshe:

namg989: that depends on how fast you can pick up the differences in the distros, red hat derivitives are different than debian derivitives

[18:03:33]

wagnerrp:

namg989: no reason... but mythtv is rather complex, and its generally better if you dont have to learn a new distro in the process

[18:04:29]

namg989:

Which distro has better support system?

[18:05:47]

wagnerrp:

namg989: looks like youre only going to get local broadcast stations, cspan, public access, and some religious channels over clear QAM

[18:06:07]

wagnerrp:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1260528

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namg989:

Seems like I should go with Mythdora, but which tuner card, HDHomerun???

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_abbenormal:

namg989, when you have it setup on your network got to setup for myth and go thru it will show up then set it up

[18:15:24]

_abbenormal:

got = go

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wagnerrp:

for clear QAM or broadcast, an HDHR is a decent choice

[18:16:30]

wagnerrp:

i have that and a HVR-1250, im happy with both

[18:17:12]

wagnerrp:

the 800i is a decent card, but hard to find anymore, and often overpriced ($70-$80) when you do find one

[18:17:31]

namg989:

Who makes the HVR-1250?

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wagnerrp:

HVR-2250 would be a decent choice once the drivers go into the mainline kernel

[18:17:54]

wagnerrp:

that may have happened already with 2.6.31

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Brad-D:

hey guys, does anyone know of a console program that allows me to identify all the audio tracks on a dvd (and preferably the language?)

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wagnerrp:

namg989: just do understand that you will not get all your subscribed channels over digital cable with any of those tuners

[18:22:11]

wagnerrp:

you will only get what is listed in that lineup i linked you to

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namg989:

yep, got it. I would need me settop box for that. I'm only able to get the clear stuff, right?

[18:23:03]

wagnerrp:

whatever is unencrypted, and that changes from area to area

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meshe:

a set top box and an HD-PVR will get you everything

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namg989:

yep, got it,. we are on the same page. Thanks for clarifing!

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wagnerrp:

s/an HD-PVR/any analog capture device/

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wagnerrp:

HD-PVR is only necessary if you want HD capture

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, much cheaper PVR-150/500s off ebay are the recommended card

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meshe:

he said HD earlier which is why I said HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

ah, that he did

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wagnerrp:

well if you want HD, your ONLY option is the HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

its the only HD capture solution supported by mythtv

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namg989:

HD-PVR, which vender makes that?

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wagnerrp:

(technically, digital tuners just capture a pre-encoded stream, they dont care about resolution)

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR specifically captures HD analog video, digital tuners just capture whatever the broadcaster sends it

[18:27:38]

wagnerrp:

just wanted to point out the difference between 'HD', and 'digital'

[18:27:47]

wagnerrp:

even though most people tend to get them mixed up

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KittyBoots:

Is there anyone here that can give me some direction in getting a gryation remote working?

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wagnerrp:

manufacturers arent helping anything

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wagnerrp:

claiming their tuners are capable of up to 1080i

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wagnerrp:

when theyre really just capable of any ATSC/QAM stream

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meshe:

namg989: Hauppauge sp?

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wagnerrp:

but you know, thats marketing.... one company claims support, and if you dont claim the same thing, the masses wont buy your product

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namg989:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

im still waiting for someone to claim support for 1080p and h264, considering the ATSC spec allows for both

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: It's a little more tricky in Europe (and everywhere else but the US), where there are DVB some bitrates that aren't high enough to support HD.

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namg989:

meshe: thanks!

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meshe:

namg989: no problem, Dell quite often has a sale on them

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: yeah, and they have the older 'full featured' cards that had decoders as well

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: H.264 is only supported in the ATSC-MH spec. It is not supported in ATSC.

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wagnerrp:

ah, i just remember something about h264 going into the spec last summer

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devinheitmueller:

(well, more specifically, A/53)

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, h264 is available in the ATSC-MH spec (for mobile ATSC), which was approved over the summer.

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[R]:

theres enough bandwidth for 1080p for an atsc?

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devinheitmueller:

No.

[18:34:09]

devinheitmueller:

The 19.2Mb stream can only do 1080i.

[18:34:22]

devinheitmueller:

That was described as a known deficiency in the ATSC standard.

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wagnerrp:

then someone should correct wikipedia

[18:34:40]

wagnerrp:

or is that for 16VSB?

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devinheitmueller:

hmmm....

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** devinheitmueller goes over to look at the wikipedia page. **

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, you can do 1080p in the "high bitrate mode", but it requires 16VSB, which never went anywhere.

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

what about the non-60000/1001 bitrates?

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devinheitmueller:

(according to A/53 Part 4 Sec 6)

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wagnerrp:

erm... framerates

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devinheitmueller:

Depends on the mode. See the table in A/53 Part 4 Sec 6.1.2)

[18:39:54]

devinheitmueller:

You can do 30 Hz as opposed to 29.97Hz, if that is what you are asking.

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wagnerrp:

the article is listing 23.976/24fps modes

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KittyBoots:

I just got a gyration remote. I am trying to get it configured. I found http://perens.com/FreeSoftware/gyration.html it says to configure x, I don't know how to do that. Can anyone help me get started with this?

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irritatus:

is there a forum for mythtv users

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yes. That is likely for film.

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wagnerrp:

KittyBoots: its been 12 minutes and 3 new users, be patient

[18:41:07]

wagnerrp:

its very likely no one currently around even has a gyration remote

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KittyBoots:

wagnerrp: ok

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Ah, yeah, it looks like wikipedia has basically the same table as the spec (although I haven't done a bit-for-bit comparson)

[18:42:19]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: im just thinking 1080p24 would be very do-able within the bandwidth restriction

[18:42:37]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I'm not sure. I would have to do the math on that one.

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wagnerrp:

especially considering how much of my recordings are TD'd 1080p24 content anyway

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wagnerrp:

which means its all the original data, plus two duplicate fields

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: I think the Linux mce project was but around using a gyration remote, maybe you could find some info there?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: possibly.

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devinheitmueller:

Although the spec supports it, I would suspect that many consumer products might choke since it has never been deployed.

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: so I should do a search for linux mce gyration your saying?

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wagnerrp:

decoders, sure.... but i imagine your average ATSC tuner wouldnt even know the difference

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Correct, as long as you are within the bitrate requirements, the tuner and demod have no knowledge of the resolutions.

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: there is no harm trying. I remember seeing a video where the guy was using that remote. worth a shot?

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wagnerrp:

which was my original complaint that any claim of HD support on such devices is completely bogus

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: for ATSC, that is true.

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wagnerrp:

(aside from the DVB tuners you mentioned, apparently)

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: is this it? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Using_the_ . . . ire_Chief%29

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devinheitmueller:

For ClearQAM though, it's worth mention that we had a number of boards with driver problems, where you actually couldn't reach the 38.78Mpbs bitrate.

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devinheitmueller:

... which is entirely a driver problem, although it went largely unnoticed until people started using ClearQAM.

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wagnerrp:

meaning clearqam tuning outright broke? or that you couldnt record the entire multiplex at once?

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devinheitmueller:

Well, what would happen is tuning would succeed but you would have a certain level of packet loss.

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devinheitmueller:

So, for example, the driver would only deliver 30Mbps worth of packets.

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devinheitmueller:

(and you would end up losing 1/4 packets)

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: yeah that is it, but I have the canada version

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devinheitmueller:

Don't get me wrong, it was clearly the driver not properly setting up the isoc stream or IRQ setup, but you wouldn't notice when on 19.2Mbps was being delivered.

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wagnerrp:

right

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devinheitmueller:

Fun with reverse engineering drivers!

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: apparently for Linuxmce it works out of the box, but I am going between using mythtv and xbmc. I need to figure out how to configure my system to use this device

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antgel:

anyone with a working DVB-S setup care to try something for me in mythtv-setup? when i go to Edit Transports->New Transport, i'm greeted with a blank screen

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antgel:

except for Finish and Cancel buttons

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antgel:

would like to know if this is so for others

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Dubstar_04:

KittyBoots: have you read this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gyration-based_MCE_Remotes

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KittyBoots:

Dubstar_04: I will

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antgel:

DAMN

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wagnerrp:

antgel: it may very well be something not themed

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antgel:

my database backup didn't work and suddenly after a channel scan, lots of my channels have an underscore at the start of the channum

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antgel:

anyone have a clue why that happened and how to fix it given that my backup SUCKED

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trumee:

i am trying to convert a dvd9 to an mkv format to view in mythtv. Is it good to enable the decomb filter in handbrake. if i dont enable that playing it with mplayer shows lot of horizontal lines.

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trumee:

can myth deinterlace on the fly an mkv file. or do i need handbrake to deinterlace it before hand?

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GreyFoxx:

myth can deinterlace any content during playback, the container doesn't matter

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Brad-D:

hey greyfoxx, did you ever get that Nvidia Ion tester box that you ordered?

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Brad-D:

did you like it?

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, i am playing a dvd9 in myth 0.22. i can lot of horizontal lines. is that an interlacing problem?

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trumee:

*see a lot*

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

i've had that prlblem on older dvds

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[R]:

mplayer doestn even play them good either

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trumee:

yup, with mplayer lot of horizontal lines as well.

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trumee:

should i use handbrake to convert to an mkv format with decomb/deinterlace?

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, double layer dvd usually 8.54 GB in size

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sphery:

trumee: I wouldn't be surprised if the video on the DVD is broken. I've seen that on a lot of improperly-made DVD's--even commercial ones--especially when the source material was recorded with old tech. Since it's quite obvious when you scale the image (but may not have even been visible on NTSC standard-def tube TV), most newer DVD's are done properly.

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trumee:

sphery, how should i resolve this. do i need to de-interlace the video using handbrake?

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Essobi:

jeez... splits everywhere today.

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[R]:

trumee: i found if i use mencoder or similar to rip it... it came out ok... w/o having to specify any weird settings

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[R]:

trumee: it confused me

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sphery:

trumee: if it's broken on the DVD and the DVD was mastered by some other company, there's not a lot you can do

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trumee:

sphery, ok. i am going to give handbrake a shot.

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Essobi:

Soo... I've got a few standard def TV's in my house... what would be a good course of action to feed all of them from my Myth box? Channel injector and the RG58 that's already ran everywhere?

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Chicago:

Anybody think it would be worthwhile to add lightscribe features to mytharchive?

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Essobi:

Chicago: Why not?

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: a channel injector that does HD?

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: I can't imagine that is terribly cheap.

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Essobi:

CyberKnet: I just said all my TV's are not HD.

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: bah. Who reads these days anyway :)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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Essobi:

SD != HD. :)

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Essobi:

I figured that'd be really cheap..

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: I used one for a while until a power surge killed it.

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CyberKnet:

It cost about $100

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CyberKnet:

most RF Modulators don't inject, they replace signal.

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Essobi:

Ah.. Were you pretty happy with it thou?

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Essobi:

CyberKnet: Ah..

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CyberKnet:

for standard definition, I guess. I was using scan line converter to convert VGA to NTSC at the time

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CyberKnet:

so I already had terrible quality

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CyberKnet:

It wasn't a cheap device to inject channels though

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CyberKnet:

Although honestly I forget the name of it

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CyberKnet:

it'd be in the mythlogbot somewhere.

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CyberKnet:

I too thought to just use an RF modulator... was very disappointed to see that all the other channels disappeared when I did that. heh.

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ksc654:

Does anyone know if MythTv can capture video through firewire from a Scientific Atlanta STB?

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CyberKnet:

ksc654: The wiki would have that answer if it is available.

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CyberKnet:

ksc654: I personally don't know though.

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: I think I used a ChannelPlus 3015 or so...

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CyberKnet:

Oh. He split.

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sphery:

Chicago: Not saying it's not worth it, but I'm just curious--do you actually find LightScribe useful? The "labels" don't seem to be readable enough for my tastes and the media is expensive (more so than stick-on DVD labels and /much/ more so than Sharpie Ink).

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CyberKnet:

Sharpie Ink. The classiest of all labeling methods ;)

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CyberKnet:

heh

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sphery:

Hey, they even make colored Sharpies, now.

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CyberKnet:

my my

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CyberKnet:

Now that *is* fancy

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sphery:

of course, I don't archive any recordings (as doing so would be illegal where I live), so I only use CD's and DVD's for the occasional distro ISO.

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CyberKnet:

So you can draw your own spiderman picture on the DVD. heh. Nobody will think it is rated-as-pie then ;)

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sphery:

and--no offense, but--Ubuntu disks just aren't worth the cost of a real label

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CyberKnet:

sphery: heh. I thought you were a gentoo folks for some reason.

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CyberKnet:

Wow. farmer sure is unhappy today.

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sphery:

CyberKnet: no, definitely not Gentoo

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Wicked:

i install my distros from usb now....way way to many useless distros disks floating around my house

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Josh_Borke:

cdrw for me :D

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sphery:

Wicked: I just saw an article on using Grub 2 to create a bootable USB disk that allows you to boot to any CD/DVD ISO image stored on the disk (as a normal data file)

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CyberKnet:

I used to back up to DVDRW every night.

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Wicked:

ah. that sounds pretty cool sphery...i use a program that makes the usb stick from a iso

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sphery:

Yeah, I tried that approach once with a Seagate SeaTools CD ISO and failed miserably

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sphery:

turned out it was a /lot/ faster to just plug in a CD drive

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Wicked:

ah. yea. if its not a very popular distro...it can be a pita to turn a iso into something a usb can boot

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I did the Ubuntu bootable USB a couple times, but it seems that after using it a few times, it filled my filesystem and then got corrupted

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sphery:

the ISO approach uses an unwritable ISO so would be perfect

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sphery:

looking for that article... much harder to find when you're actively looking for it

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CyberKnet:

heh

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Wicked:

hmm. the way i make the usb it offers to create a writeable part on the usb so you can have persistent data....but if you dont set that up its just like a usb and is read only with a squash?? FS

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sphery:

Yeah, I've created the writable part

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sphery:

all I know is it would boot a few times, then it would get trashed and I'd have to recreate it

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Wicked:

i normally install from a 1gig usb drive...and a iso is 700mb's...and im only using it to install.....so i just leave the defaults

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Wicked:

ah. yea. never happened to me.....so far ;o

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CyberKnet:

I always install from a dvd – myth is the only linux machine in my house.

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Wicked:

only windows machines around me are not mine.

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Wicked:

;o

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CyberKnet:

if I am installing – it's going onto the machine that normally runs linux – and usually all the 'install from a thumb drive' things want to create the thumb drive in linux.

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CyberKnet:

Drat. I posted to the wrong channel.

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: A ChannelPlus 3015 should inject that channel for you nicely.

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CyberKnet:

That is what I used to use.

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Essobi:

CyberKnet: nice

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skd5aner:

sphery: you around?

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sphery:

Wicked: I can't find the article that was a bit prettier, but http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB gives the magic config (plus tons of stuff you can ignore) hidden in commands to copy paste

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah

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skd5aner:

I wasn't sure if you happened to see some of my message from last night when I was testing out the input/card switching patch

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CyberKnet:

Essobi: ymmv

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skd5aner:

sphery: happy to go over it again if needed (unless you can call up the log from last night)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

it sounded like you were having problems with inputs?

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sphery:

HD-PVR, specifically

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skd5aner:

well, I did some refactoring on my tuners to eliminate that problem...

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skd5aner:

Here's the problem now: [19:34] <skd5aner> well I think I see one problem – withing "TV Frontend" VIEWCARD is set to "Y" and within TV Playback NEXTSOURCE is set to "Y", is that defaulted like that?

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sphery:

yeah, just saw that

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skd5aner:

[19:41] <skd5aner> OK – removed the Y binding for VIEWCARD, and so Y is now just bound to NEXTSOURCE. However, when in LiveTV, and I hit Y, I *instantly* lose all keyboard/input response withing myth (I can still alt-tab)

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sphery:

NEXTCARD is never bound

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skd5aner:

I have to go and kill mythfrontend

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sphery:

VIEWCARD is bound to Y in TV Frontend, but only used in some scheduling portion of the app (not in TV Playback)

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skd5aner:

Yea, I bound that to Ctrl+C (or maybe Ctrl+Y, can't remember)

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skd5aner:

^nextcard

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sphery:

By default, NEXTCARD is unbound, NEXTINPUT = C, PREVSOURCE = Ctrl+Y, NEXTSOURCE = Y

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sphery:

all in TV Playback context

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skd5aner:

So, Next Input which swich inputs on a card (if available), since all my cards only have 1 input, I would say that's pretty worthless to me

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sphery:

It's possible that there may be a PiP-related issue that causes problems--as things were broken in the mythtv-pip branch

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sphery:

I'd have to ask Stanley for more info

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skd5aner:

well – I haven't tried any of the PIP stuff, but not saying it's not related

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sphery:

how many sources do you have?

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sphery:

yeah, I was thinking Stanley may have removed it intentionally because it doesn't work due to changes when he redid PiP/PbP

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skd5aner:

Well – "source" = what exactly – I want to make sure I know the difference between source and card (I understand input)

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sphery:

video source

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skd5aner:

So, I have 3 – Analog Source, Digital Source, and another seperate source for my HD-PVR

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skd5aner:

Analog Source – tied to 3 cards/1 input each

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skd5aner:

Digital Source, tied to 2 cards, and 1 HDHR/4 total physical inputs, 16 virtual

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mzb:

sphery, how about: http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/

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skd5aner:

HD-PVR – 1:1

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sphery:

mzb: that wasn't the one I read (as it's older and has the isofrom stuff, which isn't necessary anymore)

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mzb:

ah

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sphery:

now it should be "PLEASE NOTE: grub itself can boot CDROM images/ISOs. Version version 2 only."

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skd5aner:

sphery: in LiveTV, hitting "C", the OSD pops up and shows the current input used (SD3) in this case

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sphery:

yeah, that sounds like that works fine

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antgel:

can anyone tell me why my ITV1 has no program data? the xmltv id is correct in the settings in mythweb, and i've got a mythfilldatabase -v most log, and there aren't any apparent problems

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sphery:

the nextsource one is confusing, though

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mzb:

maybe this one? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604

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sphery:

I seriously doubt that patch is causing the issue--but it may expose a different issue

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skd5aner:

next, when I hit Ctrl-C (nextcard), it switches cards as expected

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skd5aner:

however, when I hit "Y", I lose all form of keyboard input

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sphery:

mzb: not that one either--it was a nice short one that mentioned putting Knoppix and one or more Red Hat (RHEL? Fedora?) ISOs on the drive

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skd5aner:

sphery: I've got to run in a few, since you're here – anything else you'd like me to try/report real quick?

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mzb:

ah well, coffee over ... time to install irrigation in the $50 greenhouse before a job arrives ;)

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skd5aner:

alright – I've got to run now, but I'll catch up with you later

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sphery:

skd5aner: I'll have to think about it

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sphery:

skd5aner: thanks for testing

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sphery:

Wicked / mzb : found it! Just had to get the exact search phrase I used last time to find it (grub 2 boot cd). http://linuxcoaching.eu/linux_coaching/2009/0 . . . d-drive.html . Moral of the story: no matter how easy you think it will be to find the article when you want it next, it's probably worth bookmarking.

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sphery:

Oh, and guess it was CentOS, not (trademarked) Red Hat. :)

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conectate:

hi.. anybody out there?

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conectate:

I have mythtv configured displaying info in my LCD

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conectate:

the issue is that the LCDd.conf for the imonlcd says that you can leave a big clock on exit (OnExit=1)

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conectate:

however it is not working on my PC

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conectate:

I remember I had it working at the very beginning ... but after configuring mythtv it is not working

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conectate:

any idea?

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conectate:

any help please?

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: btw, I received the box

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