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Thursday, December 10th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Try some Google searches

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Dagmar:

I hear those work wonderfully

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oobe:

i use google to find pictures of naked celebrates

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Dagmar:

I'm just a little irked that people will so shamefacedly ask stuff on the level of "does it work with 110VAC wall outlets?"

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Dagmar:

Common sense or one google search could answer the question, and they've done neither

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oobe:

yea i understand

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oobe:

but seriously check it out http://www.gagreport.com/Funny_Pictures/sexy_megan-fox_3a.htm i can find pics of naked hot actress's

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** sphery thinks he may have finally found a way to prevent users from doing partial restores... **

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sphery:

I made the partial restore section of the backup page /far/ too long to read

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sid3windr:

you're assuming one reads -anything- before just beginning to do it?

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sphery:

heh, true

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sphery:

they'll still see the offset code lines that show how and will likely just do it without reading anything

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justinp_home:

oobe, good call – just double checked and it looks like it's only certain videos

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sid3windr:

:)

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oobe:

justinp_home, i had the same problem with one specific ac3 video reencoding the audio fixed it

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oobe:

fyi that same video played fine on different motherboard with different soundcard

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justinp_home:

looks like the only difference in the audio encoding between the two files I'm looking at (one working, one not) is interleaving alignment

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justinp_home:

aligned works, split across doesn't

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oobe:

heres i good one http://images.celebritymoviearchive.com/membe . . . 20S02E15.jpg

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map7_:

Every once in a while I get this error when running mythfrontend on my terminal: ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1655, errno = 32

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map7_:

some people on the ubuntu forum have mentioned deleting the .ICEauthority file in the users home directory to fix it, is this the recommended approach?

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sphery:

that's the recommended workaround

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oobe:

once my backend died with that error message my xsession died also i never figured it out

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oobe:

but it never happened again eith

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oobe:

ether

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justinp_home:

Yep, that's it – just looked at another working file and another non-working file

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sphery:

map7_: until the application that's changing permissons on ~/.ICEauthority is fixed

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justinp_home:

The working files are all "aligned on interleaves", non-working are "split across interleaves"

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sphery:

map7_: in other words, there's an app that's doing Bad Things to that file and it breaks other apps

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sphery:

That app is /not/ Myth, though.

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sid3windr:

justinp_home: hmm, sounds like that's a bug or some missing support then.. ;/

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justinp_home:

So, yeah, looks like I'll need to re-encode the audio for those non-working files

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oobe:

justinp_home, just simply re encoding audio with avidemux worked great with that issue

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oobe:

and to be honest all my other ac3 videos havent needed it

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justinp_home:

Yeah, I verified that I have some working AC3-encoded files, so that's not the problem; it's definitely the interleaving

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oobe:

i never new what the problem was

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justinp_home:

So, if I'm going to re-encode anyway, any advice on what to re-encode to?

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kormoc:

Any Danish folks around?

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oobe:

justinp_home, i tryed re encoding to mp3 but that didnt fix it it made it worse i then tried re encoding to ac3 and that worked

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henrik__:

kormoc, swedish if that helps ;)

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kormoc:

henrik__: just wondering if the danish krone was kr or Kr or KR

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kormoc:

wikipedia claims it's kr, but we have a customer claiming that everyone knows it's KR, figured I'd try to do a double check before changing the app :)

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henrik__:

Dkr

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, http://www.xe.com/symbols.php

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iamlindoro:

kr

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iamlindoro:

"This symbol is composed of two sequential characters: a lower case "k" followed by a lower case "r"."

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iamlindoro:

quite specific

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henrik__:

yes but i would prefere you use Dkr, like we use Skr :)

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iamlindoro:

Personal preference and what's right are toften two different things

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iamlindoro:

personally, I'd go by the currency site

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henrik__:

well sweden and denmark is quite close.. and we use kr to..

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henrik__:

but it's diffrent exchange rate..

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iamlindoro:

henrik__, In which case is SEK and DKK

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henrik__:

the danish even clames that the 3:rd largest city in sweden is a suburb to copenhagen

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iamlindoro:

the currency *sign* is kr

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henrik__:

yes

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iamlindoro:

not Dkr

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henrik__:

iamlindoro, your right!

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kormoc:

which is what we're asking bout, as it's a customer preference for what currency symbol they want to see, not what currency they exchange with or the like

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: aye, it's just one of those crazy customers who won't accept that we're going with the banking standard for the symbols and throwing up a storm

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iamlindoro:

GDIAF?

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kormoc:

yeah, just wanted to make sure I was right first ;)

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henrik__:

lycka till

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dashcloud:

I'm at a complete loss trying to restore my backup file onto my fresh install- I get this message: ERROR: The specified backup file cannot be read. Invalid backup filename, stopped at /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl line 831.

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oobe:

check the paths

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dashcloud:

I've checked the paths

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sphery:

dashcloud: you're not following instructions

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sphery:

dashcloud: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file

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sphery:

what argument(s) does that command show that yours doesn't?

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

dashcloud: it is one or more missing arguments, right?

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sphery:

either --directory or --filename (or both)?

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dashcloud:

I didn't think so, but let me check again

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sphery:

what was the exact command you ran?

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sphery:

(command line)

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dashcloud:

/usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl --verbose --directory /var/lib/mythtv/db_backups/ --filename mythconverg-1244–20091130191423.sql

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sphery:

ok, that looks good

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sphery:

and what does the following give: ls -l /var/lib/mythtv/db_backups/mythconverg-1244–20091130191423.sql

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dashcloud:

-rwx------ 1 root mythtv 146735205

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sphery:

and are you running mythconverg_restore.pl as root? if not: sudo chmod 644 /var/lib/mythtv/db_backups/mythconverg-1244–20091130191423.sql

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dashcloud:

I am not running the script as root- is that the recommended way?

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sphery:

also, note that the backup and restore scripts can both work with gzip'ed backups (so you don't have to gunzip before restoring)

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sphery:

dashcloud: actually, I highly recommend not running it as root

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sphery:

it's just that the file you're using is only readable by root

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sphery:

so change its permissions with the chmod I gave you

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dashcloud:

that would explain a lot

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sphery:

:)

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dashcloud:

which .sql file creates the proper database? I dropped the whole database, and thought I created a new one with mc.sql, but the restore script says it can't connect to the database, and Error: database doesn't exist

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sphery:

mc.sql will create the database

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sphery:

but it also sets a password for the mythtv user

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sphery:

so if you had a different one, it may have changed it

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sphery:

it does: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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sphery:

so you'd need to do: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mypassword";

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sphery:

or possibly revoke the localhost permission

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wagnerrp:

wow... two screensaver viruses found for ubuntu

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sphery:

(though the former is probably better)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what?

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wagnerrp:

its finally happened, linux has gotten sufficiently common on the desktop that its no longer 'secure from viruses'

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sphery:

heh, it never was

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sphery:

just wasn't worth the effort

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wagnerrp:

two screensaver .debs were found to install a program that auto-updated itself and provided a botnet for DDOSing

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, that whole security through obscurity thing

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sphery:

it's Apple's Mac OS X that was always "secure from viruses", because only a company like Apple could ever make something that good

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sphery:

so were these in the official repo or in some 3rd-party place?

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wagnerrp:

3rd party

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wagnerrp:

gnome-look.org

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sphery:

ah

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sphery:

although I dread the inevitable, "Now those smug Linux users see that Linux isn't any more secure than Windows," I'm glad to see some out there.

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sphery:

After all, it will help the people who actually believed that Linux was secure to understand that there's no such thing as a system that's secure from malicious code

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jblack:

I think you're falling into black and white thinking.

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sphery:

(save a system whose code can never be updated)

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map7_:

My diskless remote frontend takes 37seconds to start the mythfrontend, is this normal? does the diskless terminals use the servers processing power?

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wagnerrp:

yes, no

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sphery:

map7_: I'm guessing that you have a CD or DVD or flash card or ... in a removeable drive

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map7_:

sphery no I pxe boot

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wagnerrp:

no, 37 seconds isnt far off

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sphery:

which is also why it may start in a different plugin

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sphery:

map7_: I mean the drive on the server

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sphery:

s/server/frontend/

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sphery:

you don't have any removeable media on the frontend/

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map7_:

the server is a Q9550 with 2GB ram and 1TB disk,

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map7_:

no there is no removable media on the frontend

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map7_:

no hard drive either

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sphery:

then it's likely the image cache checks and stuff

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sphery:

so it would be normal (for net boot)

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wagnerrp:

erm... 37 seconds from the power button?

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sphery:

wagnerrp has actually done net boot, so trust him more than me

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wagnerrp:

or from running 'mythfrontend'

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map7_:

37seconds from running mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

oh, that is a long time

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map7_:

2minutes in total from the power button

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wagnerrp:

something is wrong there

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map7_:

on the server mythfrontend takes 7 seconds

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wagnerrp:

37 seconds is a decent time from power button to fully functional

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map7_:

which is acceptable

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wagnerrp:

even 7 seconds is a bit long to start the frontend

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map7_:

it does seem to sit there doing nothing for some time.

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sphery:

and really no removeable media at all

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sphery:

or card readers or ... connected

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wagnerrp:

hmm... one machine does it in 10 seconds, another in 3

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map7_:

sphery there is no removable media in the frontend, the frontend does have a DVD drive and card reader with nothing in it.

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wagnerrp:

another in 2

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sphery:

the card reader with nothing in it may have something to do with it

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sphery:

see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7135

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wagnerrp:

the 10s one is the only one that actually has a hard drive

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wagnerrp:

go figure

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wagnerrp:

map7_: is this a machine with a persistent file system?

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dashcloud:

sphery: thank you very much for your help- I finally got it to restore the database

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sphery:

dashcloud: great... enjoy

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wagnerrp:

youre not running a read only NFS path with an aufs ramdisk are you?

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map7_:

wagnerrp it creates a r/w overlay directory in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/overlay

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wagnerrp:

on the server?

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map7_:

yes

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map7_:

/etc/exports: /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/overlay/ *(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)

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map7_:

other programs start fast and the UI seems very fast when moving windows around.

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map7_:

maybe it's the theme i'm using, 'mythcenter (widescreen)'

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map7_:

wagnerrp which theme do you use on your 2second machines

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wagnerrp:

graphite@720p is the 3-second, mythcenter@480p is the 2 second

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wagnerrp:

although it may have something to do with a copy of mythfrontend already running

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wagnerrp:

and all of the shared libs already in memory

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dashcloud:

the new setup screens are really nice, and bring up a question: does the Test Decryptability option in DVB scan do anything for ClearQAM people?

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** skd5aner is thinking about installing miro and playing with mirobridge **

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wagnerrp:

new setup screens?

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dashcloud:

yeah- I'm re-running the myth-backend setup, and in .22 it's changed from .21

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skd5aner:

I know mirobridge has to be installed on a backend, but I'm assuming that I would still need to use miro via a UI, correct?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: miro still runs on its own and grabs whatever content you tell it to

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wagnerrp:

mirobridge just then symlinks the content into your storage groups, and makes the corresponding channel/recording entries in the database

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that's what I thought based on the wiki... I'm just figuring if it makes since to put it on my SBE/FE or on the MBE, but I don't really utilize my MBE for any GUI ops

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: The only part of the Miro UI that you need is to select the channels you want to subscribe to and to change settings like the folder that Miro doenloads to.

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wagnerrp:

it makes sense to put it wherever your storage is

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: storage is on MBE, but I use NFS to the SBE/FE...

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wagnerrp:

you can create symlinks over NFS just fine

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wagnerrp:

but you may want to enable the master backend override, to make the MBE stream all content

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wagnerrp:

if it has all the hard drives

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: thx, so really any "usage" of Miro and subscription add/delete/modify would take place within Miro, but all synching and watching happens between mirobridge and myth

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: master backend override is enabled :)

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: That is it exactly

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skd5aner:

however, I still use NFS for mythvideo because I still rely on ISOs

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skd5aner:

so, recordings are streamed, but videos aren't yet :(

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skd5aner:

cool guys – well, I think I'll start messing around with it in the next couple days. Looks interesting! Although, I've got enough recordings schedules right now to give me plenty of content to watch, but want to see what Miro has to offer

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Mirobridge works with or without storage groups.

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skd5aner:

thanks wagnerrp and RDV_Linux

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dashcloud:

does the Test Decryptability option do anything for ClearQAM users?

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Dagmar:

You would need to decrypt ClearQAM data, why?

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wagnerrp:

the only thing it could do would be to check for streams improperly marked encrypted

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map7_:

wagnerrp here is the output I get when starting mythfrontend: http://pastie.org/736672

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wagnerrp:

so if youre not missing any channels, its not worth the try

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map7_:

I've put in how long the pause is between the slow parts

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wagnerrp:

not of much use unless you crank up the verbosity to see what its actually doing

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Dagmar:

I just drive two counties over and look for old people at a crafts fair

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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wagnerrp:

well now i really want some context for that

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wagnerrp:

dagmar trawling for old people in areas where no one would recognize him

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Dagmar:

Actually, we were looking for someone who could/would spin some cat hair into yarn

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Dagmar:

Yes, I said "cat hair"

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wagnerrp:

to be honest.... i dont know which is more disturbing

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sphery:

map7_: my suggestion is to update to current 0.22-fixes

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Short story, an exgf left her persian/maine coon mix cat at her mom's for about two weeks while she went on vacation

[02:29:02]

wagnerrp:

sphery: proto version 50, thats fairly current

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Dagmar:

Her mom managed to brush this sheepcat

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Dagmar:

When she returned, she was given the cat, and a two gallon bag of cat hair

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Dagmar:

Our first thought was to have it made into a sweater or scarf for a friend of ours who is horribly allergic to cats

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map7_:

sphery I'm on 0.22.0+fixes 22594 (ubuntu package)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's branches/release-0-22-fixes [22594] , which is maybe 80 changes to -fixes out of date

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wagnerrp:

you know, this story just continues to get more frightening... :P

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Dagmar:

But yaknow... cat hair ain't yarn until someone with a spinning wheel does their thing

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sphery:

yeah, there's been a lot of changes

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Seriously dude, who *wouldn't* want a flulffy white murder weapon

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Dagmar:

s/flulffy/fluffy/;

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sphery:

map7_: I can't guarantee that they'll fix the issue, but I can guarantee that I don't feel like tracking down a previously-fixed bug. :)

[02:31:34]

Dagmar:

cog: looks like a load of bullshit to me

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wagnerrp:

still wrong channel

[02:32:01]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You deserve to see what *that* was in response to http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm

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map7_:

wagnerrp here is the full output http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1709097

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Dagmar:

The mind boggles

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map7_:

sphery I just thought it maybe something to do with my system.

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sphery:

(oh, and the 80 or so changes I'm mentioning were actually to 0.22-fixes. Current revision is r22970, so I'm recognizing that many changes occurred to trunk or other branches.)

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wagnerrp:

WTF is natrium

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sphery:

map7_: it may be, but there were actually a /lot/ of performance-related changes made to -fixes after 0.22 was released, so the first step should be verifying it's not due to some of the inefficiencies in the old code

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wagnerrp:

theyre making up elements to go with their BS product?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Sodium (Na)

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what would cause that

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wagnerrp:

14 second gap waiting to log into the sql server

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wagnerrp:

twice

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats your entire problem right there

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superm1:

map7_, mythbuntu.org/autobuilds will get you a current build to satisfy sphery's every demand

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superm1:

er mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't think it's mysql server related

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sphery:

at least not log in

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sphery:

I'll bet with additional verbosity, you'd see it's doing a lot of something very different

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skd5aner:

haha, the random quote on /. made me laugh: "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing. — Dick Brandon "

[02:43:18]

sphery:

it just so happens the last thing it did successfully was use the DB

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sphery:

(in those not-so-verbose logs, that is)

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Brad-D:

yo

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wagnerrp:

and the splits continue

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[R]:

thats what she said?

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

that makes no sense

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Dagmar:

It's that norwegian mystery cloud screwing with our internets

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i tried... hence the ?

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Brad-D:

wagnerrp: not sure if you are interested, but i finally figured out my dvd tearing problem from this morning. In my Nvidia XServer Video Settings, Sync to VBlank was checked. not sure what it does. But when i unchecked it, everything started working perfectly. :>

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the spiral cloud would easily be a tumbling un-aborted rocket, but the beam of light? no idea

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Dagmar:

of that _size_ and regularity?

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Dagmar:

When was the last time you saw anything in the sky stay _that_ regular

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wagnerrp:

when its in the upper atmosphere where there is no significant significant turbulence to make it irregular

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Dagmar:

Damnit you'd think more Norwegians would be interested in nighttime photography

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wagnerrp:

ive seen multiple multiple images of that thing

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RyeBrye:

What cloud mystery? not this one I guess: http://www.thecloudmystery.com/Home.html ?

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wagnerrp:

and the *very* regular ones look fake

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wagnerrp:

like theres far more spirals in them than the other ones

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wagnerrp:

someone drew it up for a news article because they didnt like the blurry low quality ones available

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Dagmar:

I've not seen any that were notably irregular

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Dagmar:

...which would normally be a serious giveaway of photoshopping

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Dagmar:

It might be superimposed video

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Dagmar:

...but since I cna't exactly speak Norwegian Fishman dialect I can't go digging local sites

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: google "norwegian mystery light"

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Dagmar:

It's practically like something out of freaking stargate

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wagnerrp:

here we go.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYvM68AtlbA

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RyeBrye:

I saw something in Las Vegas about 8 years ago that was really really strange in the sky – not quite like this because it wasn't a spiral, but I looked up and I saw what looked like a rectangular outline of a cloud that moved away... it is hard to explain but it was weird and only lasted about 30 seconds

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wagnerrp:

thats a rocket

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wagnerrp:

what the blue light is? dont know

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wagnerrp:

maybe something in the exhaust reflects blue under proper light

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Dagmar:

striclty on a non-professional level, I say it was the HLC

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wagnerrp:

LHC?

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Dagmar:

The LArge Hadron Collider

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Dagmar:

Yep. That thing

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Dagmar:

Those crazies makin' black holes

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Dagmar:

They did this!

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Dagmar:

The next time one of those appears and face-humping bats fly out of it and start humping people's faces, we'll know who to blame

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wagnerrp:

ben hogan?

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Dagmar:

Sure

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wagnerrp:

black... magic....

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wagnerrp:

no, paul hogan

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wagnerrp:

well i screwed that one up

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Dagmar:

Even better

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Dagmar:

I'd like to cuss the norwgians for not getting more footage of this thing but sheesh

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mag0o:

hulk hogan?

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Dagmar:

On Friday right as the 2600 meeting was breaking up, some ass pulls out of the parking lot, tries to do a u-turn and muffs it and bumps right into the side of some car parked on teh street in front of me and seven other 2600 guys

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Dagmar:

Just as casually as anything the dude backs up, and drives off. All eight of us standing there slapping out pockets, unable to find out fancy camera phones in order to take a pic of the guy's plates before he drives away

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Dagmar:

I know he was dodging a DUI too, which pisses me off

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wagnerrp:

yeah, not a whole lot you can do without a picture

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tank-man:

you can just memorize the plate number

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wagnerrp:

your word against theirs

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Dagmar:

If any of us could see that well, sure

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wagnerrp:

even several people

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wagnerrp:

even with matching damage and paint marks to boot

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Dagmar:

None of us have "cheap" phones

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it would stand up in court

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Dagmar:

If I weren't sure the car he hit wasn't one of "us" I'd have probably been interested in legging it after him

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Dagmar:

If it was one of us I'd have just gone over and "convinced" him to not drive away

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tank-man:

insurance can do tests, like measure the hieght of dent on car 1, and dent on car2 and look at paint scuffs

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Dagmar:

tank-man: not over a door ding that would take a dent puller and a bit of touch-up paint to fix they won't

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Dagmar:

It was the fact that this place sells beer and I saw the guy who was driving and his buddy having one while they were in there

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Dagmar:

If you have one beer over some time, there's a reasonable chance you might still be completely fine

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Dagmar:

When you screw up a simple u-turn and hit a stationary object, that theory goes right out the window

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Dagmar:

If by some freak luck they're back next month I'll question them about it jsut to be a jerk

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wagnerrp:

and when you flee and they have evidence, theyll charge you even without a test

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Dagmar:

Damn straight they will

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wagnerrp:

hell, i got a ticket for driving without a license, because the ohio cop couldnt manage to pull up my kentucky info on his computer

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[R]:

that's a bit ridiculous

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wagnerrp:

he proceeded to wait there until a friend came to drive my car home

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Dagmar:

I'd have challenged that

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wagnerrp:

oh, i did

[04:23:13]

wagnerrp:

took three court appearances before some clerk managed to just call the KY DMV and confirm i had a valid license

[04:23:30]

Dagmar:

He violated procedure by assuming you were violating the law without justification

[04:24:02]

wagnerrp:

and the icing on the cake... the cop was only there because I CALLED HIM, after being rear ended by someone without car insurance

[04:24:03]

Dagmar:

I'd have gotten in my car and said "If you really think I'm committing a felony by carryign a fake ID, arrest me and we'll let my lawyer sort it out"

[04:24:40]

Dagmar:

They can't just bs around after an arrest or attempt at arrest like they can with a ticket

[04:26:06]

wagnerrp:

the other guy was allowed to drive away, and i still end up having to pay for my own repairs

[04:26:30]

Dagmar:

Which state were you in?

[04:26:47]

Dagmar:

Next time it might be good to keep in mind whether or not the state has a financial responsibility law

[04:26:51]

wagnerrp:

(see above)

[04:27:19]

Dagmar:

Here in TN, if someone uninsured causes an accident, they're not allowed to drive away. They're not legally allowed to drive at all

[04:27:41]

Dagmar:

There's a cop in some s**t here after I made several phone calls about an accident report he made

[04:27:43]

wagnerrp:

in ky, if someone is uninsured, their license is void

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Dagmar:

Some crackhead woman pulled out in front of a friend of mine on his motorcycle, she was uninsured

[04:28:13]

Dagmar:

My friend was _very_ injured. He wound up with six pins in his freaking femur

[04:28:38]

Dagmar:

The cop just noted on the paperwork that neither of them had insurance (which is crazy, since the biker had insurance) and let the woman drive off

[04:29:00]

Dagmar:

So... it wasn't even her car, she didn't have insurance at all, and an injury accident

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wagnerrp:

yeah, well he was unconscious on the roadway, and unable to prove so

[04:29:16]

Dagmar:

There's a raft of things that should ahve happened, the first one being the car being impounded

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[R]:

insurance isn't required in every state?

[04:29:24]

Dagmar:

[R]: nope

[04:29:35]

Dagmar:

It's requiredin most of them

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[R]:

its def in arizona... because we have these commericals for safeauto for "state minimum coverage"

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Dagmar:

So, unlike the last time I dealt with iffy cops, I made a bunch of phone calls to various people about this incident

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Dagmar:

...from PAY PHONES

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wagnerrp:

good luck finding those anymore

[04:30:26]

Dagmar:

[R]: Yeah SafeAuto runs those "Buy our insurance or YOU'LL GO TO JAIL!" commercials here too

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: For this very reason, and my paranoia, I keep a list of them

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[R]:

but if you have safeauto... and you get into an accident... i assume you're kinda screwed?

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wagnerrp:

why would that be?

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Dagmar:

...although now it's probably a little easier to just buy a prepaid phone with cash

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[R]:

because if you have safeauto... its probably because you can't afford regular insurance...

[04:31:22]

Dagmar:

[R]: Well, they'll proabbly drop your ass if you actually were just getting the minimum coverage

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do the Python bindings user a real XML parser for reading config.xml or is it a simple hack of a homegrown parser, like the Perl bindings currently use?

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wagnerrp:

for now, all it does is feads the response directly to a DOM parser

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sphery:

so it would handle the commented element in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . s/config.xml without problems

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wagnerrp:

you feed it a path, relative to the base url, and a list of keywords

[05:13:32]

wagnerrp:

and it returns a minidom element

[05:13:50]

wagnerrp:

same thing as is used in the mythdbconn class for interpreting config.xml

[05:14:22]

sphery:

Yeah, mythtv code uses a real XML parser. The Perl bindings just do text processing and look for a value <tagname>(.*)</tagname>

[05:14:31]

wagnerrp:

yeah, it can handle that

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sphery:

so it seems perl bindings are the only ones lacking

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sphery:

I'll talk to xr is later to see if he wants me to fix it by using a real parser (as chances are a majority of perl-bindings-using scripts will need XML support, anyway) or by doing a hack to figure out if we're in a comment or not

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wagnerrp:

in order to read that, it would be something like <var>.getElementsByTagName('Configuration')[0].getElementsByTagName('UPnP' )[0].getElement......

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sphery:

cool... Just wanted to figure out how much is broken by that example.

[05:16:38]

sphery:

for now, I'm just going to remove the commented element and explain how to specify a LocalHostName

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Dagmar:

sphery: As to the perl and XML, just use their Simple::XML module (might have that inverted)

[05:19:26]

Dagmar:

It's stupidly easy to work with

[05:19:38]

Dagmar:

Like, retardedly stupidly easy

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i imagine its probably similar to the syntax above

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Dagmar:

Literally two function calls, one to turn a data structure into XML a-la Data::Dumper, and one to reverse it

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sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, that would be quite easy, but I think xr is originally did it with a hacked-up parser so he didn't add a dependency

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sphery:

but thanks for mentioning XML::Simple (I had forgotten its name and was thinking of XML::Parser)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im currently just using stuff that comes in the default python package

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Dagmar:

Even Slackware's perl package comes with XML::Simple built into it

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Dagmar:

It's about as common as CPAN so as external dependencies go, it's not asking for much

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sphery:

yeah, a basic Python tends to be much more full-featured than Perl "why make it standard when we have CPAN" installs

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sphery:

Yeah, I don't know how anyone could get a machine without XML::Simple, but I still have to sell it to the owner of the bindings. :)

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Dagmar:

Five bucks says he wonders aloud why you're even asking

[05:23:06]

Dagmar:

heh

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sphery:

heh, I hope so--then it will be an easy sell :)

[05:23:35]

Dagmar:

After I used it the first time my impression was "You're sh**ting me... It's this easy?"

[05:24:11]

Dagmar:

it's what i was using to parse the SVG emitted by Inkscape so I could start automating some of the theme dev stuff for LCARS

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sphery:

XML::Simple is all Perl, right

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Dagmar:

In as much as anything is all perl

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Dagmar:

You are not likely to find anyone doing anything in XML without expat and/or libxml

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sphery:

XML::Parser is expat and XML::LibXML is libxml, so if XML::Simple is all Perl (without prereq's) it would be perfect

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sphery:

Ah, XML::Simple uses either XML::SAX or XML::Parser

[05:26:04]

sphery:

just makes a higher-level interface

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sphery:

still, who doesn't have expat these days

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Dagmar:

XML::Simple appears to call libexpat

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Dagmar:

I'm looking more closely at it now

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but people really ought to install that if they don't have it, yet. :)

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Dagmar:

if Qt requires expat this becomes a moot point

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sphery:

true

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Dagmar:

hmmm... Doesn't appear to

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Dagmar:

Not _directly_ anyway

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Dagmar:

One of it's child-dependencies DOES however (probably X)

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[R]:

X require expat

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sphery:

and really X basically requires expat (as it has a dependency on XML::Parser for the xkeyboard stuff)

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sphery:

heh, you were going to the same place as me

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Dagmar:

Smacking libqt-mt.so with readelf didnt' show it, but ldd did, which means something libqt-mt.so needs in turn needs libexpat

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sphery:

yeah, XML::Parser--which is required by the X keyboard apps--requires expat, so ...

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Dagmar:

I think it's safe to say this is a really mild dependency requirement

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I'm all for adding it

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psm321:

anybody know about the tv tuners on woot? (having trouble finding anything on google)

[06:16:28]

wagnerrp:

ne on the PCIe one

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wagnerrp:

nope on both

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psm321:

do you know if theyre decent tuners? (for generic windows use maybe..)

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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[R]:

vs non-generic use?

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psm321:

[R]: heh good point

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sphery:

Wow a 4 pack of "super high resolution" HDMI cables for $9.99. If they were normal resolution HDMI cables, they wouldn't be worth it. ( http://www.buy.com/retail/clearance/todays_deals.asp )

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wagnerrp:

there is a difference

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wagnerrp:

similar to cat5/5e/6/6a

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sphery:

what's the difference?

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wagnerrp:

higher quality, better frequency cap

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[R]:

did you hear about the $1800 hdmi cable

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wagnerrp:

physically the same connectors, but capable of higher bitrates over longer distances

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_Bigb_:

What if i only wanted "high resolution" ?

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_Bigb_:

:-)

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sphery:

but "Super High Resolution" is not a standardized name/specification, right?

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sphery:

it's just marketing garbage

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wagnerrp:

true

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wagnerrp:

anyway, 4 for $10 is still in the range of standard monoprice files

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poodyp:

hmm

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poodyp:

I could use some hdmi cables but I dunno if 6ft is long enough

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superm1:

i'd be happier if things like that were marketed as HDMI 1.3 compliant, or HDMI 1.2 compliant etc

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superm1:

throwing marketing garbage in there just confuses consumers

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poodyp:

consumers confuse themselves

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sphery:

superm1: exactly

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sphery:

it does say HDMI 1.3b, but hidden behind the marketing speak

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sphery:

better than USB, though, where the implementors say that you shouldn't say USB 1.1, USB 2, and USB 3, but should say "Full Speed", "

[07:06:55]

sphery:

Hi Speed" and "SuperSpeed"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, which is faster.. hi or full?

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wagnerrp:

obviously super is better than both

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wagnerrp:

but im holding out for ludacris

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sphery:

lol

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_Bigb_:

but sir we've got to prepare first!

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wagnerrp:

but i want faster external hard drives now

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wagnerrp:

now now NOW!

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wagnerrp:

oh wait, i already have eSATA

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poodyp:

http://www.buy.com/prod/2-pack-10-foot-super- . . . 2212758.html

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poodyp:

this looks pretty good too

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justinh:

wow. retro-wide has had as many as 15 hours' effort lavished upon it

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iamlindoro:

And it shows

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justinh:

even the stuff I sh... spat out took a minimum of erm.. many many more

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

what does everyone think of the WinTV-HVR-950Q?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: btw I tried out **** again yesterday. finally got to the nub of why myth recordings wouldn't play in it. Turned out I was using the backend ip address where it *really* wants a hostname. LOL. Oh and that skin which will remain nameless is still shipping stolen fonts – only now they're obsfurcated

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iamlindoro:

justinh, sigh

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mattwj2002:

anyone else have a recommendation for a NTSC/Clear QAM/8VSB tuner that runs through usb

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mattwj2002:

?

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justinh:

after a few hours playing with it I can kinda see what the fuss is about but being used to mythtv I find the navigation incomprehensible :)

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justinh:

mattwj2002: methinks any hybrid tuner which only does one thing at a time, is a waste of time

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mattwj2002:

justinh do you have any recommendations?

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justinh:

if you want to mix analogue & digital, use dedicated tuners – or at least one which can do them simultaneously

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mattwj2002:

any model come to mind?

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

I'm not in any position to recommend a digital tuner for the US/Canada

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah your UK

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mattwj2002:

I remember

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

But Confiscious say "buy tv tuner what works in linux"

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justinh:

iamlindoro: in a somewhat mean spirited move, Monotype have been informed

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justinh:

karma will no doubt come to get me later

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iamlindoro:

justinh, heh, well... not that you broke the law for them

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justinh:

I wouldn't care but there's like $400 worth of fonts in that archive man

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iamlindoro:

wow

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justinh:

Neo Sans is a very nice font btw. Not sure I'd pay $100 though

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mattwj2002:

too bad pchdtv doesn't make a usb version

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** mattwj2002 checks to be sure **

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mattwj2002:

nope

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mattwj2002:

:(

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justinh:

mattwj2002: not that it has an onboard mpeg encoder anyway

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mattwj2002:

good point but built for linux

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mattwj2002:

:)

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Dubstar_04:

I wonder how many people have linux tv boxes for companies to make hardware 'for linux'?

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justinh:

looks like the 950Q doesn't have a hw encoder either

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: just about every STB known to man runs a linux-ish kernel

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Dubstar_04:

really?

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justinh:

yeah, it's pretty obvious

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npm:

yeah, but some of the kernels suck more than others and are stripped down lnx

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npm:

e.g. directv's

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justinh:

e.g. Virgin Media's

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justinh:

e.g. Sky's

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justinh:

and all the middleware junk really spoils the experience :)

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Dubstar_04:

I was thinking more at a consumer / enthusiast level

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npm:

many are limited to whatever runs on a MIPS on a broadcom STB on a chip

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: Dreambox ?

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justinh:

mattwj2002: anyway apparently the 950Q would work. http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-950Q

[08:40:47]

mattwj2002:

yup

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justinh:

analogue & digital according to the ever trustable wikiwiki

[08:40:54]

mattwj2002:

I saw that

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

but how the heck do they do analogue over USB without encoding it?!

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mattwj2002:

good question

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** npm wishes the analog part of his hvr1250 was supported (digital works, but no CNN in digital) **

[08:43:07]

Dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: I love the look of the netvision plugin...

[08:43:24]

iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04, it's coming along

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justinh:

there's possibly the bandwidth in USB2 to transfer uncompressed SDTV but I think that's pushing credibility

[08:44:59]

Dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: could you make a script available that plays video 'natively' eg I think the HD nation one? I am interested to see what can be done with iplayer stuff

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iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04, The HDNation one is as follows

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iamlindoro:

#!/bin/sh

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iamlindoro:

curl http://path/to/the/feed.rss

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iamlindoro:

the end

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Dubstar_04:

ha ha ok

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iamlindoro:

Because the plugin leverages the RSS 2.0 media format

[08:46:23]

iamlindoro:

So any grabber that can format the output into an RSS style format will work

[08:46:34]

iamlindoro:

I will detail the grabber more completely once I have it closer to release

[08:46:59]

justinh:

iamlindoro, the saviour of MythTV :D

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Dubstar_04:

Ahh, right! what about handling flash stream?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, In that case, we *are* doomed

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justinh:

heheh

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npm:

if there was a way of embedding a browser, a flash stream could play out of a browser flash plugin

[08:48:13]

justinh:

Dubstar_04: you'd have to parse the flash to find the video I think

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iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04, I don't do any processing of material... if the plugin returns a <link> and a <media:content> node that match, they are "played" in the web browser. If it returns mismatched links, the media:content node is downloaded and played in the internal player

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mattwj2002:

what do you guys think of this?

[08:48:35]

mattwj2002:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/products/hdtv5usb.aspx

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, if you want to pull in content from a flash site, that would all need to be done by the grabber

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npm:

or use clive/cclive/etc to recode a flash stream into other formats?

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justinh:

mattwj2002: I think the chances of it *really* working well in linux are erm... not good

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mattwj2002:

:(

[08:50:03]

mattwj2002:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DViCO_FusionHDTV5_USB_Gold

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mattwj2002:

yeah looks like no analog support

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justinh:

if you really want analogue, get a USB PVR device

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justinh:

at least those encode to mpeg2

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iamlindoro:

time for bed

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mattwj2002:

usb pvr

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mattwj2002:

?

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mattwj2002:

I'll take a look

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

mattwj2002: what used to be known as the PVR USB2 or whatever

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

which one supports hdtv though I wonder

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

you're unlikely to get analogue mpeg2 encoding *and* digital TV in one device

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mattwj2002:

none of them?

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mattwj2002:

bummer

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justinh:

and like I said, it's too limiting so prolly better to get them as separate devices

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mattwj2002:

it okay :)

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justinh:

or http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html

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justinh:

(if it works in linux)

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justinh:

which it does, apparently

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justinh:

or look in http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices for all the models which mention "hardware analog mpeg2 encoder"

[08:56:53]

mattwj2002:

I found it!

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mattwj2002:

you read my mind

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

ouch the price is high!

[08:58:12]

mattwj2002:

$162

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mattwj2002:

:-s

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

but you don't want a framegrabber. especially not a USB one

[08:59:44]

mattwj2002:

true

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

you know what would be even cooler?

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mattwj2002:

something that run off of ethernet?

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justinh:

and analogue? In your dreams

[09:01:49]

mattwj2002:

they don't make anything like a slingbox that works with mythtv?

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justinh:

LOL

[09:02:13]

justinh:

slingbox sucks

[09:02:35]

justinh:

they score high points for convenience. not much else

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mattwj2002:

I hear you

[09:02:51]

mattwj2002:

but that type of tuner

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

FWIW I would just forgo analogue altogether

[09:04:33]

justinh:

or either bite the bullet & buy the HVR1950, or rethink & do a backend on a proper machine

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mattwj2002:

true

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mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

if you only want one tuner check out this deal

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mattwj2002:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345001

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mattwj2002:

:D

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map7_:

has anyone got mplayer working with the new mythtv 0.22? I keep getting the error 'No stream found to handle url myth://...'

[09:33:33]

map7_:

someone was saying it has something to do with the new storage groups myth uses

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

why not just use the internal player?

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justinh:

and if it's giving you problems, report them so they may be fixed

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justinh:

we'd all like to see external player support *banished* from mythtv altogether

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justinh:

good grief 50% of a linux distro downloaded & the IT dept haven't come running

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justinh:

fiddlesticks. my version of pidgin is now too old to work with a certain protocol

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Dibblah:

Why on earth would you want to talk to anyone using that protocol? ;)

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justinh:

I don't get to choose the protocols friends & family use

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justinh:

****ing windows lubbers

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justinh:

not only that, ferkin MSN lubbers

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justinh:

"muh, I luvs MSN, it makes funny noises"

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justinh:

tempted to say "ok, if you insist upon using MSN you are no longer worthy of contacting me" but if I did that there'd be literally nobody left

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pak0:

hi all people good morning

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pak0:

i want to do something but dont know how start, the problem is with my card, a dvb-t, on pci port, and recognizes as usb, but, work fine only if i do a shutdown, if i restart the computer seems to be on other port or something and dont work, is the same issue with somes remotes, i know is a solution for the remotes, identifiying it for vendor, can i do the same with my dvb-t card?

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pak0:

the problem is with the usb adapter, the pci adapter work fine

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** stuarta sighs **

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stuarta:

now i have to work out when they are going to replay a firmware update for my old STB to support the split NIT

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stuarta:

last played out sept 2008 :(

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** lyricnz hasn't been able to record one particular channel since some "upgrade" a few months ago. SUper upset :/ **

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lyricnz:

some dvb driver firmware thing I think

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justinh:

I thought there was a timetable on a website somewhere

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stuarta:

justinh: there is

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stuarta:

http://www.dtg.org.uk/industry/download_schedule.php

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stuarta:

only the next 2 weeks tho

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justinh:

you'd think the manufacturer would be kind enough to tell folks

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stuarta:

they don't bother. most stb's will autoupgrade anyway

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justinh:

pity it'd be no help somebody dumping the whole mux for a while

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justinh:

will your box support 8k ?

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stuarta:

nfi

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stuarta:

should do tho

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stuarta:

there was 8k stuff around when i had it working before

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justinh:

not many post OnDigital ones don't :)

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stuarta:

yeah, this is a topuptv model

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mattwynne:

can anyone give me a clue why I cannot get anything to appear in mythmusic?

[10:51:41]

justinh:

you have no clue? ;-)

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stuarta:

no music?

[10:52:04]

justinh:

seriously though – NO. Not without you giving a quick picture of what you've done

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mattwynne:

sure

[10:52:42]

mattwynne:

I've dropped a couple of album folders (of normal MP3 files) into /var/lib/mythtv/music

[10:52:52]

mattwynne:

chown'ed them to mythtv:mythtv

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justinh:

1. set the base path for mythmusic to find audio files in utils/setup -> settings -> media – > music -> general

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mattwynne:

I hit 'scan' in the menus (wherever that is)

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justinh:

you sure /var/lib/whatever is the right place?

[10:53:35]

mattwynne:

justinh yep, I've checked that's the same path as I dropped them

[10:53:47]

justinh:

I fscking hate /var/lib/mythtv

[10:53:54]

mattwynne:

how come?

[10:54:01]

justinh:

and they say linux is for human beings

[10:54:05]

stuarta:

justinh: it's LSB compliant

[10:54:12]

justinh:

so people keep saying

[10:54:14]

justinh:

screw LSB

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mattwynne:

since that's what the ubuntu packages did for me, I figured it was the general conventional place

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sid3windr:

lsd compliant

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stuarta:

the good thing about unix is you can put stuff where ever you bloody well like

[10:54:49]

justinh:

thankfully :)

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stuarta:

i've heard /dev/null is a good place ;-)

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mattwynne:

except that I can't get mythtv to read it :D

[10:55:12]

mattwynne:

so what should I see when I hit scan

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justinh:

so what happens when you scan for music ?

[10:55:15]

mattwynne:

?

[10:55:23]

mattwynne:

yeah right, it just flickers

[10:55:23]

justinh:

a progress indicator, albeit briefly

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mattwynne:

very little feedback

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mattwynne:

like, it refreshes that menu page

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justinh:

and when you go into 'play music

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justinh:

?

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mattwynne:

if there is a progress bar it appears so briefly I don't see it

[10:55:58]

mattwynne:

in play music, nothing there

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mattwynne:

I also tried import as well

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justinh:

nothing will appear by default

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mattwynne:

aha!

[10:56:22]

justinh:

by default I think the filters show you nothing

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mattwynne:

that's a good feature

[10:56:49]

justinh:

press 3 to edit the playlist

[10:57:06]

justinh:

then everything should appear under 'all my music'

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** mattwynne gets in front of the mythtv box **

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mattwynne:

justinh nope

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mattwynne:

all my music is very black and empty

[10:59:49]

mattwynne:

I think I'll try importing a CD maybe

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sid3windr:

black music!

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justinh:

Rhianna ? she's black. her music is devoid of worth

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** justinh rues the day he ever used MusicBrainz **

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sid3windr:

does it require brainz? :>

[11:02:58]

justinh:

thanks for spoiling my tags, ****ing PoS

[11:03:24]

justinh:

it's turned some composer names into unrecognisable squiggles

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mattwynne:

ok schoolboy fail

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mattwynne:

"the encoder failed to create the file. Do you have write permissions for the music directory?"

[11:04:38]

mattwynne:

guess not then

[11:04:56]

justinh:

chown mythtv:mythtv /var/lib/mythtv

[11:04:58]

mattwynne:

I presume this mythmusic plugin runs as mythtv user, same as everything else?

[11:05:08]

justinh:

depends. which user are you running it as? :D

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mattwynne:

chown mythtv:mythtv /var/lib/mythtv/music surely?

[11:05:19]

mattwynne:

well I start the front-end as me, matt

[11:05:23]

mattwynne:

is that the issue?

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justinh:

so no

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mattwynne:

arses

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justinh:

matt != mythtv

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mattwynne:

how confusing

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mattwynne:

so the backend runs as mythtv

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justinh:

unless you is in da mythtv group

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justinh:

the backend has FA to do with mythmusic

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mattwynne:

but the front-end runs as whomever fires it up

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justinh:

whoever, yeah

[11:06:09]

mattwynne:

yeah that's not obvious though, you know?

[11:06:15]

mattwynne:

anyway, right

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sid3windr:

justin g ? :D

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mattwynne:

so actually all I need to do is point mythmusic at the folder where all my mp3s are

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mattwynne:

which I have and always shall have read / write access to

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justinh:

and if you get another frontend, it won't be able to read/write those files unless you export them using NFS & have them mounted on the same path

[11:08:03]

mattwynne:

yeah I can see that could get hairy

[11:08:29]

justinh:

not really

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mattwynne:

but that's always the case if you use multiple front-ends for music I guess

[11:08:39]

justinh:

my music is all in /myth/flacmusic

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justinh:

just export it & mount to /myth/flacmusic on every frontend

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justinh:

badabing!

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mattwynne:

what do you mean 'export it' ?

[11:09:25]

justinh:

share

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sid3windr:

/myth/flacidmusic

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justinh:

i.e. with NFS (not Samba cos it serks)

[11:09:54]

sid3windr:

with the backend turning into streaming videos, I guess in time it'll also stream the music

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justinh:

possibly

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sid3windr:

would solve a lot of problems with people not that familiar with nfs and stuff

[11:10:18]

sid3windr:

I think

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justinh:

would solve a few problems where users have noclue

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mattwynne:

yeah right on

[11:10:52]

mattwynne:

I do feel like mythtv is still only really for hobbyists

[11:11:05]

mattwynne:

I'm not an idiot and I have spent hours and hours getting to working

[11:11:05]

justinh:

now, this 'mouse' thing. WTF is it? The docs say to 'double click' on setup.exe with this 'mouse' thing

[11:11:18]

mattwynne:

it's a shame cos it's obviously had shitloads of time put into it

[11:11:24]

mattwynne:

and has bazillions of features

[11:11:29]

justinh:

sigh

[11:11:34]

mattwynne:

it just needs a little polish, IMO

[11:11:41]

mattwynne:

a little idiot-proofing

[11:11:48]

justinh:

loads of people could save feckloads of time by spending a little time reading docs first

[11:12:00]

mattwynne:

there is a lot of documentation though

[11:12:01]

justinh:

but no, they all go blundering in, clicking hither & thither

[11:12:13]

mattwynne:

just sayin

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justinh:

so am I

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justinh:

mythtv itself is a piece of cake to install & get working

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justinh:

the stuff it depends on, often is not

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justinh:

lirc, which you need for a remote control generally.. is a bitch

[11:13:11]

justinh:

audio in linux, if it doesn't work out of the box, is a c**t

[11:13:40]

justinh:

and then there are the merest of linux basics like knowing wtf file permissions are ;-)

[11:14:15]

justinh:

so no, it's not ideal. It could be better. People are aware of this & sights have been set on working on stuff

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

but for every 100 people who say "muh, this could do with a bit more polish" we maybe get one person who actually does something

[11:15:01]

sid3windr:

if the channel in myth .21 would have been decent

[11:15:04]

sid3windr:

that would have helped too ;)

[11:15:07]

sid3windr:

*channel scanner

[11:15:16]

sid3windr:

but I beat my way through it

[11:15:33]

sid3windr:

oh, and obviously my cable supplier's dvb tables werent correct either

[11:15:36]

sid3windr:

;/

[11:15:36]

justinh:

maybe even less than one in 100

[11:15:54]

sid3windr:

so all in all it took me 6 months to get a useful myth setup, but in the end I'm very happy with it :]

[11:15:56]

mattwynne:

justinh what would you hope someone new like me could do though? write another wiki page?

[11:16:02]

justinh:

6 months?!

[11:16:10]

sid3windr:

not continuously obviously :]

[11:16:16]

justinh:

mattwynne: learn to code? whatever

[11:16:38]

justinh:

just tossing comments around doesn't help, that much I'm certain of

[11:16:40]

sid3windr:

first month.. get hardware, install it, ...

[11:16:43]

sid3windr:

read docs, hang on irc

[11:16:44]

mattwynne:

what language is mythtv written in

[11:16:44]

sid3windr:

etc ;)

[11:17:09]

justinh:

ancient Babylonian

[11:17:53]

map7_:

mattwynne C++ with QT4

[11:18:04]

mattwynne:

yeah that scares me

[11:18:13]

mattwynne:

I've never delved that low

[11:18:29]

mattwynne:

anyway I'm not meaning to diss- just feeding back. I'm very impressed with it generally.

[11:19:13]

justinh:

I don't know anybody who didn't start out in programming at least a little intimidated by the prospect

[11:19:57]

justinh:

there's a *lot* ordinary people can do too. pruning the wiki, patching the actual user manual files...

[11:20:21]

justinh:

but do they? do the f***

[11:20:31]

justinh:

king leeches

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sid3windr:

:)

[11:21:58]

sid3windr:

I think qt takes some getting used to, but in the end it's easier to use than plain c++

[11:22:32]

mattwynne:

that's for the GUI is it?

[11:22:54]

justinh:

nope

[11:23:14]

justinh:

it's for just about *everything*

[11:23:36]

justinh:

string handling, file handling ... you name it

[11:24:52]

justinh:

mythtv is using less & less qt widgets in the gui all the time :)

[11:24:59]

justinh:

qt widgets look like arse

[11:25:19]

mattwynne:

ha

[11:25:29]

mattwynne:

hey we have lift-off on my music collection

[11:25:30]

mattwynne:

thansk

[11:25:49]

mattwynne:

it was understanding the difference between which user ran which bit of the app that made the difference

[11:26:25]

justinh:

it'd be possible to make a script run mythfrontend as any user you want

[11:26:35]

justinh:

but I dunno how useful it'd be in any real terms

[11:26:57]

mattwynne:

the thing is, the deb packages didn't create the mythtv user with a login shell

[11:27:15]

mattwynne:

and I don't know enough ubuntu yet to fix that

[11:27:22]

justinh:

sillybuntu

[11:27:22]

mattwynne:

so I just carried on logging in as me

[11:28:32]

mattwynne:

I probably should ahve used the mythbunto distro

[11:28:35]

mattwynne:

being too cocky

[11:28:44]

mattwynne:

must learn my limits :)

[11:28:53]

justinh:

bah

[11:29:16]

justinh:

if I'd stuck to my limits in computing I'd still be struggling to make my DVB-T tuner work in windows

[11:29:27]

justinh:

for 5 years

[11:29:58]

** justinh wonders if firefox has a subversion addon **

[11:30:05]

mattwynne:

well thanks for bearing with me guys, I've learned a little :)

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justinh:

svn co svn://labs.trolltech.com/svn/graphics/dojo/stackblur

[11:33:05]

justinh:

oops

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stuarta:

better than typing your password in irc

[11:34:30]

justinh:

velly interlesting pages: http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Graphics/Examples and http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Graphics/Examples/Examples2

[11:35:01]

justinh:

and http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Graphics/Kinetic

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justinh:

wahey time for my home-made lasagne :D

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Dibblah:

justinh: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=455038

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justinh:

seen it

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justinh:

and it's still the same font only they ripped out the (C) info

[12:16:03]

justinh:

oh and now their archive is unavailable. go figure

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Dibblah:

Heh. However, at least the XBMC guys are pushing the skinning guys to get it sorted.

[12:31:52]

justinh:

aye there is that

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justinh:

nothing in the blackbolt team's file mentions anything about licensing either, which I found a bit strange

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squish102:

anyone watching their movie collection on a wii? i have wii set up for kid and if there was an easy way he could watch movies, maybe some homebrew thing?

[13:09:07]

squish102:

without installing orb in a VM

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sid3windr:

yeah

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sid3windr:

put a pc next to it

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sid3windr:

with xbmc

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sid3windr:

:>

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squish102:

haha... i have too many pc's scattered around the house already

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sid3windr:

so connect one of them to the tv :p

[13:13:09]

squish102:

they connected to the other tv's ;)

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henrik__:

squidly, have a look at http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-154/4_1_a . . . uide-797772/

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henrik__:

squish102, have a look at http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-154/4_1_a . . . uide-797772/

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squish102:

henrik__ great thanks

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justinh:

wuhahaha how very quaint. ethernet over coax!

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justinh:

getting about 80Mbits/sec out of it too

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sid3windr:

:/

[13:52:45]

** sid3windr does ethernet over power and has a whopping 10Mbit half duplex as result **

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sid3windr:

not that excellent considering my rootfs is on nfs

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justinh:

that was with nfs, so obviously a small overhead there

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justinh:

not quite mastered netcat yet

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justinh:

sid3windr: so, pays to spend a bit of time pulling network cables eh

[13:57:32]

** Dibblah wishes the low-power switches were out when I was last looking :( **

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sid3windr:

justinh: yeah, but I can't, I'm renting the place

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sid3windr:

or rather, I actually am allowed, but it's between floors and a very large pita

[13:58:18]

sid3windr:

as I am only allowed if it's nicely done and reversible without visual changes

[13:58:26]

sid3windr:

I'm eying a pair of gigabit powerline adapters though

[13:58:32]

sid3windr:

should give me at least 50Mbit methinks =)

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justinh:

I had to pull ethernet upstairs at home. wasn't easy

[14:00:31]

justinh:

I ripped out a panel under the stairs & managed to get a small bundle of wires underneath the staircase

[14:01:18]

Dibblah:

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/54433/art/d-l . . . gigabit.html

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

my staircase in no way connects to my living room though ;/

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justinh:

sid3windr: mine does, via the crawlspace under the floor

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Dibblah:

... Less than 5w with all ports active. My current 16 port switch draws ~16w with no ports connected, my 8 port ~8w with no ports connected :(

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justinh:

blimey they've been getting cheap

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

no crawlspace here :)

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sid3windr:

yeah dlink has that green ethernet stuff

[14:02:47]

sid3windr:

Is it green? ... no, it's red.

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justinh:

and we got a doggy since the last cable run. maybe he could be trained :D

[14:02:50]

** Dibblah has grey ethernet. **

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sid3windr:

lol

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Dibblah:

I keep on considering a remote controlled cable puller.

[14:03:42]

sid3windr:

$friend made a remote controlled lego thing with motor, to pull cable through sewer pipe

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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sid3windr:

see

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sid3windr:

;:)

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Dibblah:

The advantage with lego is that you can reuse it afterwards.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod

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Dibblah:

Oh, sewer pipe. Maybe not. ;)

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justinh:

dog has no issues or fear going into pipes

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justinh:

tunnels etc

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justinh:

blame his agility training for that :D

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Dibblah:

And backing out?

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justinh:

nope

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Dibblah:

That'd be a problem.

[14:05:29]

justinh:

well it depends. first time he did it he came out backwards

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justinh:

sometimes he's not all that keen on going all the way through & reverses out

[14:06:17]

justinh:

silly doggy

[14:07:18]

** justinh wonders if Dustybin is MC Dent **

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justinh:

another Tweeting myth box wibbling on about having recorded Dragons Den. A lort

[14:08:49]

justinh:

wonder why people insist on the "MythTV recorded" bit. I mean how many frickin DVRs have they got?

[14:09:19]

sid3windr:

Dibblah: heh, nah, they tossed it afterwards

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sid3windr:

still beat going through the sewers themselves though :>

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sid3windr:

it's free advertising, justinh !

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justinh:

fricking spam more like

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justinh:

does erm gigabit ethernet really need cat6 cabling then?

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sid3windr:

no

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** sid3windr did 600Mbit over cat5 **

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sid3windr:

(no E)

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sid3windr:

now 200Gbit ports here at work all over cat5E

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sid3windr:

I mean. 200 Gbit ports :)

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sid3windr:

not 200Gbit in one port ;)

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justinh:

heh the spec says cat5 minimum. cool

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Dibblah:

Cat5 is fine.

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Dibblah:

Cat5e is marketing, as is Cat6.

[14:16:36]

** Dibblah had a 200m cat5 installation, reliably running gigabit. **

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justinh:

I remember when I was at Sun we had these mad 15 way cables going up to xceivers in the ceiling

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Dibblah:

Ah, vampire taps.

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justinh:

no idea what all that was

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Dibblah:

It's thicknet.

[14:18:06]

Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE5

[14:18:40]

Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_tap

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Dibblah:

Unreliable POS. :(

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justinh:

heh

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Dibblah:

We used it for a 500m run at my old place of work.

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Dibblah:

... Ugh.

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Dibblah:

It was the "backbone" of our network.

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justinh:

our place was between 2 buildings & I remember my boss using divining rods to find where water was getting into the connecting pipe

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Dibblah:

The cause of many hours of getting dusty with ceiling tiles.

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justinh:

it worked too, which shocked everybody

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Dibblah:

You'd have had to be really old to have seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinaxial_cabling

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Dibblah:

... Or worked with a somewhat backwards company that doesn't like to replace stuff until it breaks.

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Dibblah:

And by breaks I don't just mean doesn't work any more – I mean there are no longer any engineers around that will desolder the faulty components from the boards and replace them.

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Dibblah:

(Yes, we had a real AS/400)

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justinh:

OMG. the kind of stuff I used to build is available on ebay now

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justinh:

according to google anyway

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justinh:

ahh Motorola SZ controllers. What I would give to at least see one again

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justinh:

hahaha http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/validate . . . PARC/ftSPARC

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Neeesat:

I have connect a SATA DVD rom drive on my mythbox and when I try to play dvd I get 'Failed to open DVD device at /dev/sr0' My dvd rom is on /dev/scd0. Any idea how to fix this please?

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justinh:

probably because you've not configured myth to look at the right device?

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Neeesat:

In the settings there is defualt

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Neeesat:

default

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Neeesat:

Where I can set that please?

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justinh:

you can set it in the box

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justinh:

you type in it!

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justinh:

and that's one scouse c*** who won't be annoying me again. Dickhead software engineer whining because I took 'his' scope off his desk

[15:07:27]

Neeesat:

In location of DVD device?

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Neeesat:

I get 'Failed to open DVD device at /dev/scd0' but if I try to mount it manualy from command line it mounts with no problem

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justinh:

hmmmm

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justinh:

does the user mythfrontend as have permission to use the device?

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justinh:

*runs as

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Neeesat:

Wait a sec. Encrypted DVD support unavailable.

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Neeesat:

it worked after I install libdvdcss libdvdnav-dev libdvdnav4 a52dec

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michael:

hi guys, can someone give me the link to the known unsupported capture cards for myth?

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michael:

or tell me if the ati tv wonder HDTV tuner (pci) is supported?

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michael:

the hardware wiki at mythtv seems inconclusive...

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iamlindoro:

michael: It's inconclusive because Myth provides no support or lack of support for capture devices one way or another

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iamlindoro:

if it works in linux, it works in myth, with very little exception

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iamlindoro:

linuxtv.org

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michael:

ok... thanks

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devinheitmueller:

michael: it is not supported.

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_abbenormal:

mornin iamlindoro

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devinheitmueller:

michael: (either in MythTV or in Linux in general)

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iamlindoro:

good morning _abbenormal

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michael:

i had found the myth wiki helpful when i got my first tuner, however, i just found a great deal and want to be sure before i ordered it

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michael:

thanks devin

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I saw the woot deal. You're about the 50th person to wonder whether it works in Linux. It does not.

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devinheitmueller:

ATI rolled their own chip (the ATI Theatre), and they wouldn't provide the docs necessary to add support.

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michael:

ah... well at least someone knows.

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michael:

thanks a lot for your help devin and lindoro

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devinheitmueller:

np

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michael:

one more thing just out of curiosity

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michael:

has anyone made a front end out of the acer aspirerevo?

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programmerq:

michael: someone mentioned that yesterday

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highzeth:

michael: yes, works great

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programmerq:

as best I can tell it should work great

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programmerq:

I'm going to get one now after having looked into it.

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michael:

the acer programmer?

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programmerq:

yes

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michael:

very cool

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michael:

i had already planned on getting a netbook... so i will have to wait on my acer now...

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michael:

but i thought it looked perfect for a nice quite unintrusive frontend

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programmerq:

I'll just take the box I currently have by my TV and make it my fileserver/mythbackend

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npm:

if you only care about digital, the hauppage hvr1250 works "out of box" for DVB on a cable with QAM content

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highzeth:

michael: I got the R3600 fyi, pushes 1080i with a smile

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npm:

^^^michael

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programmerq:

I'm going to go for an HD homerun for digital over the air

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** npm wishes the analog part was supported **

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** npm and the IR control **

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michael:

i have currently an athlon 3000+ master backend with a pinnacle pcrv hd card

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** npm and that some interesting channels are in the clear on digital like comedycentral and cnn **

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michael:

and i usually just boot a live cd to watch on my phenom system

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michael:

but i really would like to have it on my tv someday

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michael:

i am also going to attempt to work on my own theme over xmas, and see if i can get virtual box to not be so choppy for video

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michael:

i have a mythbuntu installation of virtual box, but the video kind of flakes out

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npm:

has anybody considered using the moblin desktop as a myth frontend replacement?

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npm:

i.e. using moblin to "window manage" the app and going between difft sub-apps, and then dropping in mythtv components, or wrapped mplayer windows, to do the "tv" parts

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sid3windr:

better use maemo instead then

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sid3windr:

it's also qt ;)

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npm:

note stock f12 has: moblin-gtk-engine moblin-panel-applications so it's all open source

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michael:

well thanks for the help again guys, i have to go back to real life for a while

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npm:

seems like w/ intel's help, maybe gnome is going to get better and more agile through moblin

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npm:

then again, moblin is just fedora, so you can just add repos and get all fedora features, including installing mythtv frontend on a netbook... i've yet to try this... http://abhinandh.com/mp3-moblin/

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Spec:

Ah, the users channel. Are these decent tuners? http://www.woot.com

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devinheitmueller:

Spec: see the channel log. No, they are not supported.

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npm:

so is http://maemo.org/ qt/nokia's response to moblin?

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sid3windr:

ehh

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sid3windr:

nokia was first

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sid3windr:

maemo is years old

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sid3windr:

moblin is, so to speak, weeks old

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: What does the channellog have to say about this?

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devinheitmueller:

Spec: see time (11:26:13 AM)

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: thanks

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devinheitmueller:

No.

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devinheitmueller:

np

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npm:

fedora hasn't picked it up as i only see pkg alsa-plugins-maemo

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sid3windr:

why would fedora pick it up?

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npm:

but thanks for the pointer.

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sid3windr:

(who uses fedora anyway)

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sid3windr:

maemo is all in one for their tablets

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sid3windr:

they don't need fedora to run on the n900 ;)

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: sad

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npm:

thanks for the info... i just got a chance to work with Qt just this year and it is pretty nice

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: i'd guessed that would be an older card that already had RE'd support. a shame.

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devinheitmueller:

Spec: There are *many* other supported products.

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: for that cheap? ^.~

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devinheitmueller:

It is an older card, but it was never worth reverse engineering a driver for, since the chip was *only* used in that design.

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npm:

(work with meaning develop C++ apps using)

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: ah, so very limited

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devinheitmueller:

Usually it's only worth reverse engineering a chip that is used in numerous hardware designs.

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Spec:

yeap

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Spec:

Completely understandable. Too bad though.

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: My friend's got basic cable (free), and are cheap guys, so I would only buy them a tuner if it was ~20$, do such things exist? (that are compatible with leenux?)

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npm:

as to who uses fedora... a lot of people... and intel/moblin2 (except if you use a nubuntu remix)

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sid3windr:

second hand pvr150?

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devinheitmueller:

Well, Woot actually had the USB version a few weeks ago, which was supported (since it used a standard chipset)

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devinheitmueller:

(and it was $20)

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devinheitmueller:

Spec: your best bet is to see what Newegg.com has, and then lookup the cheap models on the linuxtv.org wiki.

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: if only i tracked woot daily like i should :-/

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sid3windr:

rss feeed

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npm:

the adaptec avc3610 (dual analog usb tuner comes w/ hp laptops) is unfortunately still not supported in linux, or at least doesn't pass the "plug it in to USB port and ls -lt /dev/*"

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Spec:

all the cheap usb tuners seem like they have iffy support at best according to linuxtv :(

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sid3windr:

cheap=iffy

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devinheitmueller:

Other than the HVR-1900 (which is a full-blown MPEG encoder), I probably wouldn't run a USB tuner in a MythTV box.

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devinheitmueller:

It's all about your target application. If you're building a HTPC, then buy a descent card.

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devinheitmueller:

s/descent/decent/

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Spec:

devinheitmueller: but basic cable isn't worth the cost of a ~$100 card

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sid3windr:

it isnt?

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Spec:

Nope. :)

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irritatus:

do i need to build mythtv with perl support?

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sid3windr:

perl support?

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irritatus:

yep, gentoo perl use flag

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sid3windr:

o_O

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irritatus:

for same reason it has perl support enabled by default

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sid3windr:

I wonder why mythtv has perl support?

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sid3windr:

or do you mean the perl bindings

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irritatus:

dunno, just wondering why i have the perl use flag there, enabled

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irritatus:

and mysql has perl use flag set, too

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irritatus:

ok, i did euse -i perl and got the answer, it is about perl bindings

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high-rez:

Any opinions on the broadcom crystal hd? I'm guessing there's no support yet – but thehardware seems interesting.

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jac1d:

Hello all. I was wondering, is there any limit to the number of front ends connected to a single back end? If I wanted to have 5 FEs in simultaneous use against a BE with 5 tuners connected to five set tops, is that practical or do I need to divide up the systems?

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wagnerrp:

as long as your backend (a) is not ancient, (b) is not using framegrabbers, and (c) is preferably on gigabit ethernet

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high-rez:

jac1d: I would think it would depend on the the IO capability of your network and backend disk drives as well as the bitrate of the content you're watching on your FEs...

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wagnerrp:

if youre doing livetv, you likely wont be reading from disk at all, instead just running off the cache

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high-rez:

wangerrp: Doesn't myth always record live-streams though?

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wagnerrp:

high-rez: yes, but linux will cache those write in memory until it runs out

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wagnerrp:

one system will handle it, but you probably want multiple hard drives just to cut down on fragmentation off those multiple tuners

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high-rez:

That probably wouldn't take long if they were 5 different HD ATSC streams unless he's got a ton of memory :)

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wagnerrp:

10MB/s... well how long behind livetv do you expect hell watch

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wagnerrp:

hell be good for at least a minute of rewind

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wagnerrp:

assuming any semi-recent backend will have 1GB+ of memory

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high-rez:

Yeah. Regardless, i think like you pointed out, having reasonable enough disks is important as well as using the right filesystem.

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jac1d:

The purpose is to mainly support live TV at SD resolutions on the 5 tuners

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wagnerrp:

any fairly recent disk should be able to handle 10 streams at ~20MB/s

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jac1d:

to five remote FEs

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jac1d:

over a switched networkj

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wagnerrp:

especially when youve got the kernel re-ordering those requests to help linearize the access

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wagnerrp:

the problem is just that youre going to end up with heavy fragmentation

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high-rez:

I've got xfs on my system configured to pre-alloate 512meg per file. Sucks for the png screenshots though ;)

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jac1d:

if primary use is livetv is fragmentation a concern?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

if primary use is multiple tuners running simultaneously, fragmentation is a concern

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dserban_:

I'm working on kind of the same setup...

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dserban_:

though I'm still fighting with the disk side of things right now

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jac1d:

so it would be better to do 3 tuners on one BE and 3 tuners on a separate BE

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wagnerrp:

no at all

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wagnerrp:

one relatively modern machine will have no problem handling all of that

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jac1d:

what is the fragmentation issue then? I'm afraid I've missed something

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wagnerrp:

like we said, the problem is disk and network

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wagnerrp:

you should have multiple disks

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wagnerrp:

you should have gigabit network

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jac1d:

gigabit not an issue, multiple dissk being lvm you mean or raid0?

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wagnerrp:

i mean multiple disks

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wagnerrp:

independent, in storage groups

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wagnerrp:

just how would lvm/raid0 help with fragmentation?

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jac1d:

perhaps I'm not understanding what you are meaning by fragmentation

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jac1d:

would raid0 not spread the video across multiple disks to improve throughput as well?

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wagnerrp:

non-sequential data on the disk

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wagnerrp:

hard drives thrive on sequential data

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wagnerrp:

if youre writing multiple streams (and frequently sync'ing as myth does) you will end up with fragmentation

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_abbenormal:

why multi disk wouldnt that just fragment all of them why not one large one just for live caching

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wagnerrp:

as the file system flips between writing different streams to disk

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wagnerrp:

NCQ will improve this somewhat, as it re-orders writes in flight to be sequential

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wagnerrp:

but its limited to its own cache, usually 32MB

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wagnerrp:

myth records a single recording to a single disk

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wagnerrp:

if you have multiple disks, multiple recordings will each get their own disk to write to

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wagnerrp:

its not like it flips to a new disk halfway through a recording

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_abbenormal:

ok so once the recording starts it wont span the other disk

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wagnerrp:

one recording will only exist on one file system

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_abbenormal:

ok thanks

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high-rez:

Though that one FS can span multiple disks...

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wagnerrp:

or one disk can house multiple FSs

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wagnerrp:

but the only sensible thing to do for recordings is one big partition on each of multiple disks

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wagnerrp:

each added as a separate directory in a storage group

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high-rez:

I have my myth backiend on an LSI Logic 84016E with 5 disks in raid5. This card does a really nice job ordering writes for sequential performance.

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wagnerrp:

but only within the extent of its internal cache

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wagnerrp:

same problem as on-drive NCQ

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wagnerrp:

and at 5 HD streams, thats going to result in fragments of under 20 seconds each

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high-rez:

Right. XFS does some filesystem level write caching on top of this.

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wagnerrp:

no, it doesnt... because myth calls 'sync' frequently

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wagnerrp:

arguably a poor move, but supposedly one that had to be done for NFS writes

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high-rez:

But doesn't the allocsize paramter prevent this?

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high-rez:

E.g. on /mnt/store type xfs (rw,allocsize=512m)

[19:20:38]

wagnerrp:

it prevents fragmentation, but youre still going to be flipping between recordings several times a second

[19:21:03]

high-rez:

I hadn't known that myth calls sync. What's the reasoning behind this?

[19:21:18]

wagnerrp:

which means that while reads stay sequential, writes still get fragmented heavily, and youre stuck re-seeking frequently lowering performance

[19:21:35]

wagnerrp:

(although a write-back cache on a raid card will heavily mitigate this deficiency)

[19:21:55]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, something that had to be done to get NFS writes to work properly

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high-rez:

Ahh

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wagnerrp:

perhaps something that can be removed now that mythproto supports r/w transfers

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high-rez:

I've never actually used myth with nfs. Its most useful when you have slave backends?

[19:23:21]

wagnerrp:

slave backends, or some sort of NAS

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_abbenormal:

wonder if it would be easy to just match tuner to a drive

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high-rez:

I have an unfounded hatred of NFS. If I was looking to use an external storage server I'd probbably go the iscsi route before nfs ;)

[19:25:00]

wagnerrp:

but unless you use some rare multi-mount filesystem like GFS, youre not going to be sharing that export

[19:25:06]

dserban_:

high-rez: thank you for not suggesting samba.

[19:25:08]

dserban_:

:)

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high-rez:

That said, I'm plenty happy with the perf of my mythbackend. :)

[19:26:34]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: I've never been successful with GFS outside redhat. But yeah, I can see what you mean.

[19:26:52]

wagnerrp:

id be very interested to see recording writes (and commflags and transcodes) shuffled off to storage groups, and a mythstorage executable branched off like mythjobqueue

[19:28:24]

high-rez:

It'd actually be itneresting to see how something like gfs or ocfs worked over iscsi with multiple backends.

[19:29:35]

wagnerrp:

yeah, iscsi is finicky enough as it is

[19:29:44]

wagnerrp:

at least the iscsi-target freebsd has

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high-rez:

The linux intiatior seems pretty decent. I've also had reasonable results with IET on linux. The opensolaris ability to export zvols as iscsi targets is the best option imho though.

[19:31:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, since freebsd doesnt have a native target service, its not integrated into ZFS yet

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Dibblah:

Why would you even consider iscsi when ataoe is available?

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Dibblah:

(None of that stupid protocol wrapping nonsense, etc)

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Dibblah:

And you can even boot Windows using it...

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wagnerrp:

erm... yes you can (you can for both)

[19:43:04]

wagnerrp:

and you can do neither directly

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wagnerrp:

they still need help from a boot loader of some sort

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Dibblah:

Uh... Riiight.

[19:45:06]

Dibblah:

Just like Windows does from the MBR loader.

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wagnerrp:

i mean the loader has to set up a network stack, and a virtual disk for windows to do prep on

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wagnerrp:

before the windows iscsi/ataoe drivers take over

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Dibblah:

... Which is provided by the network card.

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wagnerrp:

you cant just give it a kernel image, a path to the disk, and go

[19:46:38]

wagnerrp:

standard PXE doesnt cut it

[19:46:40]

Dibblah:

http://winaoe.org/

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wagnerrp:

yeah, through the help of a Coraid device

[19:47:29]

Dibblah:

For iscsi, yes – You need a full TCP stack.

[19:47:34]

Dibblah:

Not for ataoe.

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jac1d:

gpxe supports iscsi and aoe

[19:47:48]

wagnerrp:

effectively serves the same purpose of iBTF from iscsi controllers

[19:47:52]

Dibblah:

Just have a look at it.

[19:48:01]

wagnerrp:

i know, it works off raw ethernet frames

[19:48:06]

Dibblah:

Exactly.

[19:48:12]

Dibblah:

So rather different from iSCSI.

[19:48:36]

Dibblah:

And no, you don't need a coraid box.

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wagnerrp:

it works rather differently, but in the end you still need helper software

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wagnerrp:

either through dedicated hardware, or through gpxe/etherboot

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Dibblah:

I still don't understand your contention.

[19:50:14]

Dibblah:

You need a device driver for your IDE card.

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high-rez:

Never used ataoe, but it sounds rather flat.

[19:50:25]

Dibblah:

It is very flat.

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high-rez:

That's not neccessarily an advantage ;)

[19:50:40]

Dibblah:

Doesn't do routing, so is local lan only.

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wagnerrp:

yes, only operates on the same subnet, for better and worse

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Dibblah:

...

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wagnerrp:

less overhead, lower latency, higher speed

[19:51:00]

Dibblah:

No, it does not.

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wagnerrp:

but you lose the ability for routing

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Dibblah:

It operates in the same network segment.

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high-rez:

Can you do lun masking and what not with it?

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Dibblah:

Subnetting and the whole concept is irrelevant.

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wagnerrp:

youre right, physical segment, not subnet

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Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet

[19:52:24]

high-rez:

One of the things i really like about iscsi is I can try my cisco ethernet switches like a fiber channel switch.

[19:52:55]

Dibblah:

Yes, it's the same with ataoe.

[19:53:11]

Dibblah:

IF they can gateway ataoe traffic.

[19:53:23]

wagnerrp:

iscsi is more flexible (being over tcp), but it ends up being slower as a result

[19:53:25]

Dibblah:

However, if not... :)

[19:53:30]

wagnerrp:

just a tradeoff

[19:54:39]

Dibblah:

"The non-routability of AoE is a source of inherent security". Hmmm. I would dispute that :)

[19:55:12]

wagnerrp:

Dibblah: my argument was just that you either need special hardware (coraid/iscsi controllers) or special software (gpxe) to boot either to windows

[19:55:26]

wagnerrp:

you cant just use the now ubiquitous PXE hardware

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jac1d:

well you sort of can, you can use the pxe stack in the bios to chain load gpxelinux.0 and then have ata support

[19:56:16]

wagnerrp:

special software

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jac1d:

but you do need dhcp/tftp server to get that far

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Dibblah:

However, since you can chain gPXE, the discussion is irrelevant.

[19:58:47]

Dibblah:

http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/pxechaining

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wagnerrp:

but you can do that for either iscsi or ataoe

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Dibblah:

... With something that implements a full TCP/IP stack, yes.

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wagnerrp:

(like gpxe does)

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Dibblah:

And... Where's the iSCSI bootable driver?

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jac1d:

back to the fragmentation discussion for a second. If I put one of the new Intel SSDs in as the video buffer device, which has sustained reads >200Mb/s I wouldn't need to worry about fragmentation, would I?

[20:00:33]

wagnerrp:

its been available since winxp, now ships with 7

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wagnerrp:

jac1d: correct, now you just suffer cost and low storage space

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jac1d:

in this aprticular application its very specific, it would just fit inside the cost parameter and low storage isn't a problem, just need to support the 5 ring buffers for live

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fbnts:

Hi, has anyone had any experience with PicoLCD? I have got it working except the "Large Clock" feature is screwed up on the screen

[20:01:49]

jac1d:

fbnts: I have, as you using shell scripts with it?

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jac1d:

fbnts: I used the 20x2 unit, which one do you have?

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wagnerrp:

theres documentation on the eitherboot site for booting to both ataoe and iscsi

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fbnts:

Don't think so, I compiled the driver and configured LCDd.conf

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Dibblah:

You don't (really) have to worry about fragmentation on an empty volume.

[20:02:34]

fbnts:

I have the 20x4

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Dibblah:

So make sure the disk never fills up and you'll be fine.

[20:02:59]

jac1d:

Dibblah: There is even a section on flashing gpxe in to your bios in palce of the stock pxe, at least for the boards I was using at the time I wrote that.

[20:03:07]

Dibblah:

... 5 streams even at HD is negligible.

[20:03:10]

wagnerrp:

Dibblah: hes going to be running 5 simultaneous recordings for livetv

[20:03:39]

wagnerrp:

which will cause write fragmentation (even if he is using pre-allocation in XFS to limit actual disk fragmentation)

[20:03:49]

fbnts:

it looks as though its not clearing the screen correctly (part of the screen stil shows the previous screen data)

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Dibblah:

So then nightly runs of xfs_fsr clears that right up.

[20:06:44]

wagnerrp:

its livetv, so hes not concerned of long term storage

[20:07:05]

wagnerrp:

just write and possible reread on a drive thats going to have to reseek several times a second

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Dibblah:

... The reason for the fsr run is to defragment freespace, not files.

[20:09:07]

Dibblah:

And flash is not a good idea, for many reasons.

[20:09:33]

Dibblah:

Especially if you're going to be buying cheap flash.

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jac1d:

fbnts: I'm afraid I can't help with LCDd, I talked directly to it for my project using ahsell scripts and the usbfs driver, your setup is a bit more advaned.

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zizo:

Hi all, someone here have a HVR-4000 tv card? Is it well managed under linux?

[20:10:29]

jac1d:

Dibblah: Was looking at the latest Intel SSD, so wouldn't be cheap flash :)

[20:10:44]

Dibblah:

... Why would you do that?

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jac1d:

to avoid any of these disk bottleneck issues

[20:11:56]

Dibblah:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/09/revie . . . _now_v_40gb/

[20:12:13]

Dibblah:

... It's the same internals as the X25-M.

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jac1d:

its a particular deployment for about 100 days of use, its not meant as a multi-year system, its more a time is of the essence issue and I can't spend a lot of time troubleshooting disk bottleneck issues, I need to build, test, pack and ship overseas quickly

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Dibblah:

Buy normal hardware. Try it out. Be astounded as it works, or buy the SSDs if you _have_ to.

[20:13:48]

Makere:

there's this PCI-E card

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Hilikus:

if i want to play bluray in my pc drive but show it on a TV, so i have BR player and some Video card with HDMI or at least DVI output, would the playing be strainght from 1 to the other or there is some decoding that the CPU would need to do?

[20:13:53]

Makere:

that gives HUGE speeds

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jac1d:

I have very little margin for error if I have disk bottlenecks, although with dedicated sata controllers if I put 3 disks in the machine I should be fairly clear of issues at SD resolutions

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Makere:

like 1.2GB/s write

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Makere:

or something like that

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Makere:

and that is sustained not burst if I remember correctly

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Makere:

Fusion-io ioDrive

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Dibblah:

jac1d: What are you recording from?

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jac1d:

Dibblah: write speed on that kingston is very low at 40 Mb/s

[20:15:25]

jac1d:

Dibblah: Analog inputs on hvr-1600/cx18 cards

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Makere:

did I mention that you can also raid those mofos

[20:15:42]

Dibblah:

So mpeg2 streams where you can control the bitrate.

[20:15:45]

Makere:

for double speed

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Dibblah:

I really don't see a problem here.

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jac1d:

I wouldn't have though so but we delved in to a fragmentation discussion

[20:16:36]

jac1d:

yes mpeg-2 streams at ~4Mb/s per stream

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Dibblah:

M _what_?

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Dibblah:

Mbit / s...

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Makere:

lol

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Makere:

400kilos/s

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Makere:

I can download faster than that

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Makere:

3MB/s

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Makere:

so I could watch mpeg-2 stream

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Dibblah:

So total you're talking about 2.5 Mbytes / second throughput.

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Makere:

actually something like 7 streams

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jac1d:

Dibblah: correct

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Dibblah:

That's 7.5Mbytes / second assuming one watcher and one commercial flagger per recording.

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Dibblah:

Which ANY drive will manage.

[20:18:56]

Dibblah:

Even with the seeks between.

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Dibblah:

Seriously – You're talking trivial amounts of throughput and seeks.

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jac1d:

Dibblah: So what was all the discussion about fragmentation concerns?

[20:20:14]

Dibblah:

Fragmentation does get to be an issue if your volume fills up.

[20:20:23]

Dibblah:

ie if you get above about 50% full.

[20:20:36]

Dibblah:

So just running xfs_fsr keeps you in good shape.

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jac1d:

ok, thanks everyone for the feedback

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jac1d:

have to reboot to linux to try a few things, back later

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wagnerrp:

i was saying fragmentation might be a concern at 5-streams of livetv HD at 2–3MB/s, sufficiently far behind that its not working off cache (20–30MB/s total on the disk)

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wagnerrp:

certainly not at 0.5MB/s SD recordings

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Dibblah:

He's gone.

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wagnerrp:

i know.... simply cleaning my name from claiming that disk performance would be an issue with a couple MB/s of total traffice

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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wagnerrp:

i guess that removes the gigabit requirement for him too

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trumee:

can mythphone do video calls in 0.21?

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dserban_:

How can I poke mythbackend to ask if it's idle?

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dserban_:

and when the next upcoming recording is?

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_Bigb_:

you can connect to a socket and get status...

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_Bigb_:

mythshutdown is good to check idle

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wagnerrp:

trumee: yes, video calls as per SIP standard

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wagnerrp:

mythphone has been removed in 0.22

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wagnerrp:

dserban_: check out the perl and python bindings

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dserban_:

I'm rummage around, as long as I know that there's a way :P

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trumee:

wagnerrp, yup know about 0.22. How do i setup the webcam to be use in mythphone? is it configurable using the plugin?

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, you give it the device path of a V4L webcam

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trumee:

is it possible to maintain 0.22 and 0.21 on the same system?

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wagnerrp:

very difficult, but possible

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wagnerrp:

however they will have to run separate databases

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trumee:

will have to run one version in a chroot?

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wagnerrp:

better to just add a menu entry for some other program that supports SIP

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wagnerrp:

technically no, but youre going to run into issue with two versions of QT on the same system

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wagnerrp:

and making sure you pull the correct binaries and libraries

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wagnerrp:

and shared assets, and....

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trumee:

i mainly use twinkle as a soft client which doesnt have video. i think ekiga has video support.

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trumee:

if i add a menu entry to ekiga, will it be possible to control via the remote (lirc)?

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wagnerrp:

if ekiga has lirc support, sure

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, youre stuck using irxevent, and stuff gets considerably more difficult

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trumee:

wagnerrp, the ebuild doesnt have a USE flag of lirc for ekiga :(

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sid3windr:

useflag =)

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gpd_:

any thoughts on probability of a Viera Cast compatible mythtv app?

[21:10:05]

gpd_:

that should be a MythTV compatible Viera Cast app – more like...

[21:10:19]

wagnerrp:

mythtv already supports UPnP

[21:10:29]

Hilikus:

if i want to play bluray in my pc drive but show it on a TV, so i have BR player and some Video card with HDMI or at least DVI output, would the playing be straight from 1 to the other or there is some decoding that the CPU would need to do?

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gpd_:

wagnerrp: yes, but the videos from mythtv are not compatible – unless i transcode them maybe

[21:10:53]

wagnerrp:

if your TV doesnt support UPnP, shame on panasonic for going with their own proprietary protocol over what is kinda an industry standard

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gpd_:

it does support upnp – i can see the server – but i'm talking more about an app to similar to mythweb / frontend

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high-rez:

Is there any provision in UPnP for live tv?

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wagnerrp:

if you have a digital tuner, myth's recordings are exactly what the tv will be decoding off its own tuners

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gpd_:

vierra cast so far only has picasa, youtube – but more apps coming

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Hilikus:

also, can i use mythtv to play BR?

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wagnerrp:

so its not a directory like upnp, its actually some sort of program interface?

[21:12:22]

wagnerrp:

or is it just a browser?

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wagnerrp:

there is no upnp livetv

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wagnerrp:

there is no bluray playback in mythtv, or any of linux for that matter

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gpd_:

wagnerrp: there is both – a browser for upnp (dlna) files – and a browswer like screen for apps

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gpd_:

wagnerrp: my mpg files from DVB are 'data' according to file

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wagnerrp:

if you want to access bluray content, you have to decrypt them in windows, and play the m2ts files directly

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gpd_:

wagnerrp: and no normal decoder can play therm on linux – so not surprised that the tv can't play

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wagnerrp:

gpd_: by browser, i mean its running web-apps through an html browser

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wagnerrp:

or is it some sort of java applet? or is it real compiled code?

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gpd_:

wagnerrp: not sure – i need to look how they are doing it. probably closed.

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high-rez:

Anyone here have experience with the broadcom crystal hd ?

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gpd_:

compatible with wonkymedia too... not sure if that is helpful

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wagnerrp:

the linux drivers are not publically available

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high-rez:

wagnerrp: Ahh. I had saw some .ko's floating around

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wagnerrp:

or at least they didnt used to be

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wagnerrp:

i see some comments on the xmbc forums of people using it

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high-rez:

Yeah. It looks like a neat alternative to the ionitx. Curious how it deals with deinterlacing though.

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wagnerrp:

'and to warn users again, the linux driver that leaked will ONLY work correctly under an ubuntu 8.04 distro or one with similar kernel version'

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wagnerrp:

so yeah, still not publically available

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt expect mythtv support until that changes

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high-rez:

Yeah that sucks. It's a shame could be an interesting device for myth.

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wagnerrp:

might make an appletv worthwhile

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high-rez:

Do the old ones have minipcie ?

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wagnerrp:

the new ones have one of those chips

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Greek-Boy:

i'm so happy using my Acer Aspire Revo for m front ends

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wagnerrp:

the 3.0

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Greek-Boy:

*my

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squidly:

ok.. can one hdmi guru help me out here. I have a box, on one tv the signal is good. On other tv's (same brand and model) the video is garbled. Any idea why that could be happneing?

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wagnerrp:

youre overriding, or otherwise completely ignoring the EDID data, and running at a resolution the TV does not support

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squidly:

hmm.. w00t for doze

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squidly:

ahh that was the problem. it was a dvi-hdmi converter that was bad

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wagnerrp:

its not a converter

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wagnerrp:

its only an adapter

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squidly:

adapter

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wagnerrp:

the only way it can go bad is if there are pins broken or disconnected

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wagnerrp:

plus a replacement is only a couple bucks away

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squidly:

yea we are not bothering.. but it's one of those small ones that you get really cheap

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squidly:

could be a wire in it thats bad

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oobe:

i want your skulls .... i need your skulls

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skd5aner:

sphery: trying to test patch on 6472 but running into some issues

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sphery:

skd5aner: what issues?

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sphery:

skd5aner: and I highly recommend using profile builds if you plan to run them long-term. They're basically debug builds but without the optimizations disabled, and backtraces from them are usually good enough (though for some issues, you may be asked to do a true debug build because the optimizations change things too much)

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skd5aner:

sphery: will do, I'm working on troubleshooting something right now, I'll then rebuild with profile and let you know more on 6472

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skd5aner:

basically, after trying some of the key combos, mythfrontend becomes unresponsive to keyboard input, but not sure if it's related ot the patch or just playback issues

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skd5aner:

brb

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skd5aner:

is there anyway on an HD-PVR to delay recording for a few seconds? I'm seeing some problems with recordings if the channel is still being changed on the STB when the recording begins

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yes, available option in mythtv-setup

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: looking, but I don't see it fot the HD-PVR, just DVB sources

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skd5aner:

I do not see any delay settings for an HD-PVR tuner

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wagnerrp:

i assumed there would be one there

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wagnerrp:

no, i guess not

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wagnerrp:

just put a wait in your channel change script then

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: any suggestions on how to do that?

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wagnerrp:

'sleep <n>'

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skd5aner:

gotcha

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skd5aner:

I'll play around and see if that helps out – myth does wait until it receives a success from the channel change script correct?

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oobe:

skd5aner, that happens to me with out patches keyboard input disappers

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skd5aner:

oobe: yea, that's why I think it's unrelated, but very hard to test a patch relating to keyboard input if my keyboard input fails :)

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oobe:

skd5aner, cant u just add those keys into lircrc then

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oobe:

unless of course you want to type

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oobe:

qwertyuio etc.

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sphery:

skd5aner: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6611 (HD-PVR Signal Monitor) may help--it was designed to prevent the exact problem you're having.

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skd5aner:

oobe: I don't use lirc, I use a mini bluetooth keyboard right now

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skd5aner:

sphery: 6611 – yea, I remember seeing it, but I like to try to keep my codebase as vanilla as possible, hopefully someone will take that up and integrated it into trunk before .23

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oobe:

thats a hassle

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oobe:

i dont know if there is a ticket maybe you could make one

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skd5aner:

oobe: regarding keyboard input dissapearing?

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skd5aner:

and yes, it was a hastle for the first couple months, but been doing it this way now for almost 2 years since my remote gave out

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skd5aner:

I have an AWESOME remote to replace it with, just don't have the time to program it: http://www.mynevo.com/html.php?page_id=345

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jpabq_:

skd5aner: I would add a sleep to the end of your channel change script.

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oobe:

yeah reguarding keyboard input

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