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Weezey:

what are the backgrounds for tv shows/videos called?

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Weezey:

in the menus

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wagnerrp:

fanart

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Weezey:

how do you add fan art for shows you don't have in videos?

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wagnerrp:

jamu

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wagnerrp:

or manually insert the files where it expects them

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wagnerrp:

understand that recording fanart is entirely up to the theme, and is not a standard behavior

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Weezey:

gotcha

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Weezey:

adds nice flare though

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Weezey:

:)

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Weezey:

thanks for the help

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n8willis:

hi all. What do the LAMGV letters stand for?

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n8willis:

cause it's not in the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?search=lamgv&n . . . ltext=Search

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[R]:

its in the code

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n8willis:

well hell, tell me what it means and I'll add it to the wiki

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[R]:

i dunno each one specifically

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[R]:

but its in the code

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n8willis:

got a link?

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[R]:

http://svn.mythtv.org

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n8willis:

in other words, "no"

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n8willis:

check out the number of times this is asked on the mailing lists/fora; it never gets a reply

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[R]:

well you can be everyone's hero

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[R]:

i'll start you off

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[R]:

the L means lock

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n8willis:

that's a start, good

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[R]:

but some letters are lowercase and upper case

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[R]:

and mean differnet things

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[R]:

i think 'l' is something too

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n8willis:

right; presumably upper/lower differing status on the same thing

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wagnerrp:

lock, program table, program map, management, virtual id

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wagnerrp:

specifically, signal lock, PAT, PMT, MGT, VCT

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n8willis:

L/l=lock (partial|full)?

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wagnerrp:

N means NIT and S means SDT, but those are DVB only

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.22

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wagnerrp:

right there in the official docs

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n8willis:

23.22 What is the difference between the various Hauppauge PVR models?

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wagnerrp:

21... go up one topic

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n8willis:

so http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc23.21

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n8willis:

any expansion of NIT, SDT?

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wagnerrp:

youre from washington, it doesnt matter to you

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wagnerrp:

DVB only

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wagnerrp:

(as to what they mean, i havent a clue)

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n8willis:

I'm from washington? what does that mean?

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wagnerrp:

your address, its registered to an ISP in washington state

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wagnerrp:

US, ATSC land

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wagnerrp:

thousands of miles away from anywhere you might want to use DVB

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n8willis:

well, I'm so flattered that you took the time to check, but IP block ownership is assigned to corporate ISP hq ... I'm actually thousands of miles from both washingtons

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n8willis:

more importantly, if I'm adding a wiki page. I'd might as well add it all

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n8willis:

and us users can use dvb-s, so those letters might be relevant to somebody

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n8willis:

although I don't know anyone on dvb-s

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wagnerrp:

in that case, its network information table, and service description table

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wagnerrp:

both just a single google query away

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n8willis:

k

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wagnerrp:

and the two ATSC ones are master guide table, and virtual channel table

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n8willis:

ok; http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning

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wilberfan:

um... how do you delete recordings in 0.22...?

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wagnerrp:

hit 'i', scroll to the bottom

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wilberfan:

...used to be able to do it from the "Watch Recordings" screen... but not now...

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wagnerrp:

or 'd' probably still works too, if youve got that mapped

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wilberfan:

oooooooooh.....

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wilberfan:

what button might that be on the remote...?

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wagnerrp:

whatever button you mapped it to

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wagnerrp:

check ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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wilberfan:

;-P

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wilberfan:

i don't have a ~/.mythtv/lircc...

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wilberfan:

lircrc

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wagnerrp:

well then you dont have a lirc remote

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wagnerrp:

or your distro has mapped myth's directory elsewhere

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wilberfan:

it's a hauppage 350...

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wagnerrp:

or youre not checking the correct home directory

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wilberfan:

(only one user on this box)

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wagnerrp:

you absolutely have dozens of user accounts on that machine

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wilberfan:

okay...

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wilberfan:

you win...

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wagnerrp:

you may log into one, mythtv may be set up to automatically use another

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wagnerrp:

most distros either run mythtv as 'root' or 'mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

more often the latter

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superm1:

*buntu it's configured to run as the user

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superm1:

there's no reason the frontend needs to run as a special user

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oobe:

what about the backend

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superm1:

runs as mythtv daemon user

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wilberfan:

my box is essentially debian sid ("sidux")...

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superm1:

i cant speak for the debian packages

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wilberfan:

can't find a lircrc file anywhere... [shrug]

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superm1:

you're on your own for however you configured it there

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wilberfan:

well, it sort of arrived configured... i don't think i did anything special to set up the remote...

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wilberfan:

i recall it "just worked' ...

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wilberfan:

i'll finger out which button on the remote is "i" by trial and error...

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oobe:

you must have a mce remote

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wilberfan:

it the hauppage that came with the 350...

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oobe:

you can find a lircrc file online then edit it and put it in ~/.mythtv

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oobe:

or check you dont have one already then edit it if it exists

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wilberfan:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1008/1125753369_d8e6427f48.jpg

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wilberfan:

looks like the "menu" button has an "i" on it...but I already deleted that recording... I'll record something else and play with it...

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squidly:

ok can someone explain this to me.

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squidly:

i have 4 series in my video storagr group, stargate atlantis, sg1, voyager, and firefly

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iamlindoro:

wilberfan, knowing what remote or what distro doesn't help, as presumably *you* are the one that bound the keys to the buttons

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iamlindoro:

since it's a user configuration issue, anything we say would be a guess-- you should figure out what's bound to what, and if necessary, bind I to any button you wish

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squidly:

in the main view of videos, I see an image for atlants and firefly. but not for voyager or sg1

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iamlindoro:

"an image"??

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wilberfan:

okay...thanks for the advice...

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wilberfan:

much appreciated...

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squidly:

yea iamlindoro a

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iamlindoro:

squidly, you need to be much clearer

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squidly:

sorry I'm seeing the cover art of the show

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squidly:

let me take a ss and post it

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iamlindoro:

so the items in SG1 and Voyager either dont' have cover art to push back to the folder, or the first item has invalid artwork

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I have cover art for the season though

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iamlindoro:

squidly, Here is how the iamgery for folders is determined. Is there a folder.png/jpg in the folder? Is there another image file in the folder? Is there an item that claims to have coverart in the folder?

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iamlindoro:

in that order

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iamlindoro:

also possible you are using file browse mode

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iamlindoro:

which disables some of those

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oobe:

maybe the episodes in SG1 and voyager are not named well enough to be picked up by ttvdb.pl

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squidly:

I'm not using file browse mode..

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iamlindoro:

oobe, This has nothing to do with grabber

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oobe:

you can either rename them or add regex to jamu

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oobe:

oh ok

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iamlindoro:

squidly, then the order above is how folders get images

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iamlindoro:

if you put an image that is invalid or with an incorrect extension in the folder, that will break it, too

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squidly:

iamlindoro I have no folder.png/jpg for either of them..

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iamlindoro:

"or any other image"

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squidly:

I did notice this. For Firefly and Atlantis. I do have Season 1, and that is what is displayed on the main video screen

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iamlindoro:

could also be that you have different folder structures

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I have $showname/Season #

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squidly:

but for Voyager I only have season 6 and season 7

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squidly:

could it be a wanting to pull the image from season 1?

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iamlindoro:

no

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squidly:

http://watchtower.codestorm.org/~craig/ss.jpg that is what my main view looks like

[05:18:44]

wagnerrp:

how was 9?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: good

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squidly:

I liked it

[05:19:01]

wagnerrp:

was thinking of picking it up

[05:19:07]

squidly:

wagnerrp: I would do it

[05:19:13]

wagnerrp:

but there were mixed reviews on imdb

[05:19:29]

squidly:

iamlindoro: but yea you see what I mean though?

[05:19:44]

squidly:

I really liked it

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squidly:

it was very very cute

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squidly:

http://watchtower.codestorm.org/~craig/ss2.jpg is what it looks like under SG-1

[05:23:57]

wagnerrp:

whats with that pose.... everyone looking intently off into the distance

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squidly:

wagnerrp: ??

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squidly:

oh yea my ss

[05:24:37]

squidly:

idk just kind of wired

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iamlindoro:

Your grandchild and grandparent node names don't match

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iamlindoro:

That's your issue

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iamlindoro:

You have something like "SG1->Season 4->Stargate SG1"

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iamlindoro:

you can't do that

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iamlindoro:

grandparent folder name and grandchild title must match

[05:30:16]

iamlindoro:

likewise "Voyager" versus "Star Trek: Voyager" or something like that

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squidly:

Stargate SG1/Season 4 is how it's set in the File dir

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iamlindoro:

right, but "Stargate SG1" is not the name of the items

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squidly:

OH

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iamlindoro:

it's something like "Stargate: SG1" or whatever

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squidly:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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squidly:

now to just add a couple more tb to my sg and I will be good for about 2 more months ;)

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Guest17425:

whats the point of releasing 0.22 if it doesn't even work? leave out not being able to tune channels, i can't even scan my directories for videos in mythvideo

[06:01:37]

iamlindoro:

You not being able to do it and it not working are two different things

[06:02:26]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

[06:02:31]

Guest17425:

well the exact same issues have been reported by a fair amount of other users. the gui seems to be pretty stable but when it has to do something it has problems

[06:02:37]

iamlindoro:

If you'd like whatever your next question is answered, please ask it courteously

[06:02:57]

iamlindoro:

multiple users not reading up on the changes doesn't make it a problem

[06:03:12]

iamlindoro:

well, a problem with a huge number of users, maybe

[06:04:51]

squidly:

yep exacly

[06:05:09]

squidly:

Guest17425: I had minor issues with convertin

[06:05:10]

Guest17425:

an example is the inability to scan channels, i actually wonder how the dev's missed it, because i assumed that was a core function

[06:05:25]

squidly:

Guest17425: umm.. I can scan/do scan

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iamlindoro:

Guest17425, Nobody missed it, scan works fine, unless you're trying to scan with an analog card

[06:05:39]

Guest17425:

squidly: which os and tv card?

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wagnerrp:

channel scanning works just fine, and is actually more functional than previously

[06:05:49]

squidly:

linux and pvr-150 and pvr-250

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Guest17425:

yeah im on analog – do you know why didn't they implement a scanner for us?

[06:06:42]

iamlindoro:

we're in the middle of the channel scanner rewrite, it's not done

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wagnerrp:

they just havent written one yet, after completely rewriting the old one

[06:07:39]

Guest17425:

i see, so we are looking at 0.23?

[06:08:01]

iamlindoro:

probably. Which will be in early March.

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squidly:

iamlindoro: on my 0.22 it worked fine on my backend.

[06:09:13]

squidly:

but then I am using a somewhat old build.. form right around the time of the 0.22 release

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wagnerrp:

squidly: thats digital, not analog

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wagnerrp:

although im surprised the xmltv providers dont support channel insertion

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Guest17425:

is there any way to do the scanning manually? like tvtime has the "tvtime-scanner" command. i used it, got the khz frequencies and put them into myth manually but that didn't quite work (the card works fine on tvtime)

[06:09:58]

wagnerrp:

seems that would be a much better solution than a scanner

[06:10:24]

wagnerrp:

do they only return an xmltvid, not a channel number?

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xris:

anyone ever seen "ringbuffer overflow" error with scte65scan?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: AFAIK no xmltv grabber provides frequency information. People are lucky if they get channel numbers

[07:14:42]

justinh:

problem is channel numbers seem to vary by provider & area

[07:16:09]

justinh:

some work started on a wizard scheme to allow users to choose their location & provider which would enable the grabber config to insert the necessary information into mythtv. it got as far as the UK & works really well but relies on people from other countries doing their bit

[07:18:02]

justinh:

in an ideal world, users could contribute their lineups & somebody could collate all the data to put on services.mythtv.org – then mythtv could do their config for them

[07:18:21]

justinh:

i.e. what SD already does for US/Canada users

[07:18:38]

justinh:

but it'd be a huge pullout

[07:21:49]

xris:

justinh: we keep having talks on xmltv-devel about creating an xmltv format for channels, etc..

[07:21:53]

xris:

but they always fall apart

[07:24:16]

justinh:

heh the UK xmltv devs were all over it when I suggested it & provided preliminary data & a kind of working script

[07:24:48]

xris:

"remodel + prep for baby + arrival of baby" sucked all of my potential time away

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justinh:

knowledgejunkie took the idea & ran with it awesomely. when mythtv supports the UI part of the xmltv API we'll be laughing :)

[07:25:19]

justinh:

oo congratulations :)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: im saying SD doesnt provide freq information either

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wagnerrp:

just the channel numbers

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justinh:

but in the majority of cases I'd have thought they were effectively the same thing

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wagnerrp:

i had just figured channel numbers would be included

[07:28:47]

justinh:

until provider/area info is pulled together I doubt xmltv could reliably provide the information

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[R]:

justinh: with the virtual map tables in ATSC transmissions... the channel number isn't always necessarily the freq in the US

[07:30:14]

wagnerrp:

[R]: were talking analog

[07:30:21]

justinh:

yeah well digital tv really kyboshes frequencies equating to channel numbers

[07:30:29]

wagnerrp:

specifically the lack of analog scanning, and why you shouldnt need analog scanning anyway

[07:30:29]

justinh:

I'm well aware of that fact :)

[07:30:51]

justinh:

analogue, and those capturing cable/satellite boxes :)

[07:31:52]

wagnerrp:

i mean youre going to have to fill the database with xmltv data, it may very well be faster to insert the channels all manually than have to wait for a scan

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justinh:

yup. IF the information is there

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that requires access to some sort of tv guide, or some other device with a tuner

[07:33:18]

justinh:

or just a bunch of users providing the info, coming together & helping everybody out. Jees – you know – like some sort of community

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justinh:

;-)

[07:34:03]

** wagnerrp laughs at the concept of forcing users to give back **

[07:34:13]

wagnerrp:

could you imagine the mass exodus?

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justinh:

it wouldn't need that many, if the info was reliable

[07:35:19]

wagnerrp:

actually, channel icons already do that rather quietly behind the scenes

[07:35:39]

justinh:

locales & provider differences complicate the matter a bit

[07:36:49]

justinh:

tbh I don't think there are anything like enough users in non UK Europe to warrant it

[07:37:18]

justinh:

if 0.1% of users contribute channel info, that might only be 0.1 person :P

[07:37:50]

wagnerrp:

im honestly amazed how well silicondust's application works

[07:38:58]

iamlindoro:

so everyone see the photos of the boxee hardware?

[07:39:11]

iamlindoro:

Actually a neat little box, even if it's only an ION

[07:39:13]

wagnerrp:

the box sitting on its corner?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Also took a few minutes looking at their "new UI" and thinking how it was very sexy... only to realize, even though they don't say so, that they're mockups

[07:39:48]

iamlindoro:

and messy ones in some ways

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iamlindoro:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/boxee-beta/2514528#2514536

[07:40:55]

iamlindoro:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/boxee-beta/2514528#2514538

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iamlindoro:

Check text alignment in like-type items

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justinh:

I ****ing HATE Boxee & everything it stands for

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[R]:

lol

[07:44:06]

wagnerrp:

whats that?

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justinh:

there. I said it. That feels better

[07:44:49]

justinh:

iamlindoro: heh even the music covers are the wrong aspect

[07:45:00]

iamlindoro:

I might steal some ideas from their concepts for the post-Arclight effort, though

[07:45:55]

justinh:

there doesn't seem to be much commonality there

[07:46:17]

iamlindoro:

there are still obviously some good ideas

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iamlindoro:

justinh, would surely love to be able to apply gradient alpha to the totality of a buttonlist

[07:49:01]

iamlindoro:

it's a neat effect that we could sorely use

[07:49:02]

justinh:

meh

[07:49:56]

iamlindoro:

Just yet another of those polish things we're lacking IMO

[07:50:14]

justinh:

how would you do it in code though?

[07:50:29]

wagnerrp:

that 'global menu' would be a nice addition

[07:50:32]

justinh:

other than pre-render the whole thing

[07:50:39]

wagnerrp:

some sort of popup widget for access to the jumppoints

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Well they managed it

[07:51:01]

iamlindoro:

presumably using GL shaders

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justinh:

if these shots aren't mockups they did

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iamlindoro:

justinh, It's doable in XBMC, thus it's doable there

[07:51:15]

justinh:

be easy to emulate it

[07:51:48]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Not in our code it's not

[07:52:06]

iamlindoro:

I don't mean the darkening gradient in the bottom, I mean the fading out of a buttonlist in total

[07:52:15]

iamlindoro:

to 0 opacity

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justinh:

we couldn't do it without ripping it all out & starting again

[07:52:44]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[07:52:46]

justinh:

unless you pre-render the whole list then do the masking

[07:52:52]

justinh:

UGLY

[07:53:14]

justinh:

IMHO, not worth the effort it'd take

[07:53:26]

justinh:

not for such a subtle effect

[07:53:40]

wagnerrp:

crap... yet another wootoff?

[07:53:43]

iamlindoro:

just one of a host of effects that are doable now elsewhere

[07:54:00]

iamlindoro:

and which we will ultimately need to be able to do for MythUI to be what it aspires to be

[07:54:20]

justinh:

iamlindoro: one of the whole reasons I'm starting to think that when XBMC gets better integration, MFE is sunk

[07:54:39]

iamlindoro:

I've been of that opinion lately too

[07:54:50]

iamlindoro:

if not myth as a whole some days

[07:55:03]

iamlindoro:

especailly if their TVHeadend bit works out

[07:55:07]

justinh:

it's like – we know all the stuff is done in house so we have a handle on every little bit of it

[07:55:22]

justinh:

but we have to reinvent the ****ing wheel the whole ****ing time

[07:56:44]

justinh:

XBMC won't get a hold in my house though – not as long as they use teeny tiny fonts for everything

[07:57:02]

justinh:

and there's NO frickin way you'll ever catch me skinning that ****er

[07:57:18]

wagnerrp:

yeah, my dad already complains that he cant read things on scree

[07:57:19]

wagnerrp:

n

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justinh:

so fricking WHAT if you can fit 200 lines of text on 1080 screens & read them if you're up close? that is NOT a 10" interface

[07:58:02]

justinh:

or 10 foot even. lol

[07:58:41]

justinh:

tvheadend looks like it'll be quite nifty but for scheduling power I still think mythtv will have the edge for a long time

[07:59:09]

justinh:

maybe for a lot of people tvheadend will be enough

[08:00:04]

justinh:

iamlindoro: anyway, I think we know who to thank for vehemently sticking to their guns about having to reinvent every goddam wheel

[08:00:14]

iamlindoro:

looks like TVHeadend does active mux scanning

[08:00:32]

iamlindoro:

would be awful nice to ahve such a thing in MBE

[08:00:47]

justinh:

huh?

[08:01:04]

iamlindoro:

when idle, does channel scanning to keep the channel table up to date

[08:01:28]

justinh:

myth used to do that

[08:01:33]

justinh:

it was a pain in the ARSE

[08:01:37]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I know

[08:02:07]

iamlindoro:

still, better to make it work right then to not have it at all IMO

[08:02:16]

iamlindoro:

even if it's a few months of pain to make it work

[08:02:28]

justinh:

I can't see how it'd work here

[08:02:39]

justinh:

not when channels ****ing change numbers like we change our socks

[08:04:16]

justinh:

I'm hoping that now analogue has been done away with in my area that's gonna mean an end to frequent rescans & rejigs

[08:05:03]

justinh:

oh tvheadend is all web config'd too

[08:06:04]

justinh:

ach well. mythtv is dead. long live $whatever

[08:07:45]

justinh:

ah no. wait a ****ing minute. there are still too many trivial little features missing here

[08:08:14]

justinh:

arbitrary skipping. timestretch. still features unique to mythtv AFAIK

[08:08:27]

justinh:

ones I can't live without

[08:08:50]

iamlindoro:

In fairness, those are features that power user know about, but the average/majority of myth users don't even know exist

[08:09:04]

iamlindoro:

they don't care about that stuff, they just want the TV to be there when they want to watch

[08:09:23]

iamlindoro:

And 9 times out of 10, that's all I want

[08:09:26]

justinh:

power features? lol

[08:09:28]

[Peter]:

and arbitrary skipping could be probably implemented in less than 5 minutes in all of them if anyone bothered

[08:09:36]

wagnerrp:

it is implemented

[08:09:37]

justinh:

in XBMC you can skip to *absolute* time

[08:09:42]

justinh:

like WTF use is that?!

[08:09:50]

wagnerrp:

you can skip at integer minutes

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justinh:

since when?

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wagnerrp:

hit a number and an arrow key

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justinh:

in xbmc?

[08:10:23]

wagnerrp:

myth

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[Peter]:

:)

[08:10:29]

justinh:

oh I know myth can

[08:10:33]

justinh:

can't do without that feature

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, we're talking about non-Myth

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justinh:

anyway, the feeling that if you can't ****ing beat em ****ing join em is getting overwhelming

[08:11:12]

wagnerrp:

ah, read the comment backwards

[08:11:29]

[Peter]:

justinh: people probably doesn't watch a lot of stuff with commercials in xbmc ;)

[08:11:33]

iamlindoro:

I'll use whatever meets my needs, quite frankly

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xris:

wtf, scte65scan data is missing my local HD channels

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xris:

it's like the comcast channel reorg didn't update the vct_id data

[08:12:07]

justinh:

iamlindoro: same here, but in terms of stagnation, resistance to change.. we have personal experience

[08:12:17]

iamlindoro:

xris, and you scanned with -P ?

[08:12:39]

iamlindoro:

xris, you only get the DTA channels unless you also do -P and feed it a channel table

[08:12:59]

iamlindoro:

and since the DTA's don't do HD, they don't get sent the local HD stuff in the SCTE-65 tables

[08:13:02]

[Peter]:

justinh: the xbmc-pvr branch might change that though

[08:14:08]

iamlindoro:

Heh, a couple rude ass "quotes" on the TVHeadend page about Myth

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justinh:

how brain dead would somebody have to be to take 2 weeks to set up a backend?

[08:15:37]

iamlindoro:

HA, and claim their compatibility with softcam programs as features

[08:15:51]

justinh:

iamlindoro: not necessarily a bad thing

[08:16:06]

justinh:

mythtv's 'moral' stance is annoying sometimes

[08:16:29]

[Peter]:

there are places where softcams are allowed. like where I live.

[08:17:02]

[Peter]:

as long as you don't share your keys of course.

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justinh:

it's all about ass-covering. I know that, but that isn't always convincing

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xris:

iamlindoro: no, I did not do that

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** xris rescans **

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justinh:

myers. looks like their scheduler is way more limited

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justinh:

re Showtime: "# LIRC support is currently missing. It used to work prior to a big redesign of Showtime's internals. Personally I use Logitech bluetooth remotes which sends normal keyboard keystrokes so I don't need LIRC support." Heh

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justinh:

so screw you, user :)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: so the global menu.. would that mean another menu button?

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justinh:

they say bad things come in threes. three different menu buttons!

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wagnerrp:

not sure how you would pull it off without another button

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xris:

justinh: moral stance (meaning "fear of being sued") prevents mythtv from raising money, too.. isaac says "no" so we don't.

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justinh:

for that to be viable I think we need to condense myth's existing two menus down to one

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xris:

afraid that dealing with donations would make us more of a target, but misses that fact that incorporating would actually remove some personal liability from devs.

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justinh:

there's still a lot I want to do but I just feel so.. demotivated

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wagnerrp:

i think theres a lot of done (not done) in the name of legal issues, that really should have involved some sort of lawyer consultance

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xris:

wagnerrp: which would involve money

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wagnerrp:

which could come from donations

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xris:

there's a lot of though of "ignorance will protect us"

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xris:

thought

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wagnerrp:

man, circular dependencies are great!

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xris:

yeah

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justinh:

there might be lawyers who use mythtv but maybe their field of knowhow isn't what we need

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xris:

I looked into getting a fiscal sponsor a few years ago and it would be very easy to set up.

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xris:

justinh: there are.. including wendy seltzer (former EFF) and not-a-lawyer-but-knows-a-lot chairman of the EFF brad templeton

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xris:

danielk apparently knows wendy pretty well

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xris:

she helped a bit with helping SD get started

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justinh:

I think it's just all the ****ing hating on mythtv that's peeing me off. no one OSS project is the be-all

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justinh:

are they (boxee) serious about the actual *box* hardware though? talk about adventurous

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justinh:

heh. wonder why starting mythfrontend with <pluginname> insists on not actually starting the plugin

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AndyCap:

Oh, and here I thought people already found salvation in "not-mythtv.pl" "saved a lot of people around here from the hell that is mythtv"

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xris:

yay, channels and hdhomerun are FINALLY back to normal.

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henrik__:

I would like to remove one caputre card directly from the sql since it can't be done from mythtv backend. But where in the sql can I find the cards?

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Dibblah:

Why "can't be done"?

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henrik__:

well then I need to remove all capute cards

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wagnerrp:

simply highlight the card, and press 'd'

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henrik__:

ohh so it can be done?? w8 let me try.

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cityLights:

is there anyone here from europe?

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wagnerrp:

probably almost everyone in here currently

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henrik__:

wagnerrp, thank you!!!

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henrik__:

did not know that!

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henrik__:

new in .22??

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wagnerrp:

nope

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henrik__:

damn.. the only choices in the meny is remove all..

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henrik__:

so I have done that, but this time I

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henrik__:

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henrik__:

I coulden't be bothered..

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henrik__:

cause only one card needed to removed..

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cityLights:

I am still seeking to buy a pvr 500 which does PAL, so I need to buy it in europw

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cityLights:

europe

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cityLights:

I didnt find any on ebuy

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cityLights:

or in stores

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cityLights:

so I came here to seek help

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AndyCap:

cityLights: how much do you want to pay? :P

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cityLights:

50 euro I guess

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cityLights:

or is it the wrong price?

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AndyCap:

heh, http://cgi.ebay.com/isapi.dll?item=270497129080&ViewItem looks to me like they are available

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AndyCap:

but still. the store I was thinking of doesn't carry them anymore, sorry.

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cityLights:

which?

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cityLights:

thnaks andyCap

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AndyCap:

And I was for a moment considering selling my card, but I haven't made up my mind about that yet

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xris:

henrik__: I've been bitten by that one several times and I've been using myth for a LONG time

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xris:

somehow the FOSS community suffers a lack of professional UX designers helping out.

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AndyCap:

they don't need their head bitten off when they stick it out.

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xris:

huh?

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sid3windr:

hmm, I might sell a 500 if I ever get myself to put up a sat dish

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justinh:

is it 2010 yet?

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stuarta:

ummmmmmmm, no :(

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stuarta:

can i hibernate yet?

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justinh:

not til Friday

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stuarta:

can't even hibernate then

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** stuarta becomes white van man for the weekend again **

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justinh:

bugger

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stuarta:

got to spend money to save money yet again

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justinh:

had a really good weekend for the 1st time in ages, weekend just gone. no bad news, no bad luck. utterly depressed now

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justinh:

how the **** does that work then

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stuarta:

no idea

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stuarta:

i was thinking you should be happy with a weekend like that

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justinh:

moving hoos ?

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stuarta:

done that already

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stuarta:

collecting last lot of stuff from storage

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justinh:

yeah I was. all day sunday once I regained consciousness sufficiently. 12 hour sessions aren't my thing anymore

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justinh:

I think there might be too much contrast between the highs & lows

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sid3windr:

white van man

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sid3windr:

are those the fbi agents sitting in front of my house?!

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stuarta:

probably

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justinh:

or alien henchmen

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justinh:

or both! :-O

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stuarta:

anyway, i thought the fbi only used black vans :)

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justinh:

just waiting for the best moment to kidnap you

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justinh:

after all, you did leave a trail of evidence when you helped Gary McKinnon :P

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justinh:

bloody hell. if only people contributed as much to the manual as they do the feature wishlist

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stuarta:

been a long time since i read that

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justinh:

didn't get anywhere with the scanner issue I was seeing btw

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stuarta:

:(

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justinh:

can't work out wth was going wrong

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justinh:

definitely to do with the offsets

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justinh:

dvb utils scan works fine cos it went directly to the frequency

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justinh:

tunes scan works fine for the same reason

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justinh:

*tuned

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justinh:

but the full scan changing freqs... totally missing the ball

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justinh:

finds channels fine when they're not on an offset mind

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justinh:

s/channels/muxes/

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syncmaster4:

What's the best way to update program info manually (like a description). A re-run I recorded does not have this info in SD; is this something I should contact them about?

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justinh:

you can't edit descriptions yourself

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syncmaster4:

So contact schedules direct... ok. Will the program info be updated after it's been recorded?

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justinh:

did I say contact SD? lol

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syncmaster4:

no you didn't... :)

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justinh:

they can't check every piece of information they send out – besides they're just redistributing info from other sources, so it's probably those to blame

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syncmaster4:

agreed, they've actually been awesome for me – this is the first program issue I've ever had through them so I though I could just manually update the 3 programs.

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justinh:

you could, but manually hacking the database isn't encouraged or supported here :)

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justinh:

btw anybody else notice how the description for QI was completely wrong last week? Was a duplicate from a different show

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syncmaster4:

understood. I did'nt think I could cause too much harm updating 'title' and 'subtitle' in the recordedprograms table.

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syncmaster4:

althrough i've seen stranger things happen...

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justinh:

I mean like a totally different show – Big Bang Theory. heh

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eddie128:

Hi, I'm having some trouble getting audio to work. I'm using ALSA IEC958 ok with Totem and VLC but for some reason it doesn't work when I select SPDIF and as the audio device and ALSA:IEC958 as the the passthrough output device in myth front end? Could someone please advise a good howto or debug site or perhaps some advice?

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justinh:

you need to find out what the device is actually called

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justinh:

the mythtv defaults don't always agree

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justinh:

it doesn't *detect* anything so it can only use what are defined

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eddie128:

aplay -L?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

assuming you use alsa that is

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eddie128:

OK. Well yes, I am using ALSA for other output. I am using the iec958 (S/PDIF) device which I why I selected that in mythfront end. For some reason the volume select during playback in myth frontend is always showing 0% and I can't 'turn the volume up'

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justinh:

volume controls don't work with digital audio anyway

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eddie128:

yeah, makes sense.....

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justinh:

eddie128: and you need to tell mythfrontend what the *actual* device is

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justinh:

not just choose the first one which looks like it might be the one

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justinh:

sometimes that means you have to enter the device name in the field yourself

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eddie128:

oh...

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eddie128:

Thankyou. You've sorted me out!

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justinh:

ALSA:iec958 is what it's called on my frontend

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justinh:

not ALSA:IEC958

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eddie128:

"/dev/adsp" just started working

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eddie128:

justinh Thanks, you've been really helpful.

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sid3windr:

woah there

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sid3windr:

THIS... IS A FIRST

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sid3windr:

:D

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** stuarta falls off chair **

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sid3windr:

ahaha

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sid3windr:

you just killed his day, I believe.. :>

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eddie128:

doesn't he like to help?

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

no, he usually helps in a nice way

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stuarta:

he's just normally grumpy

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sid3windr:

but i've never seen anyone say thanks to him

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sid3windr:

rather rant about his method of helping =)

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sid3windr:

I did think it's funny he quit when you said thanks though :D

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eddie128:

oh, one of those guys, install a full back-end system, compile from source, blah, blah.....?

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stuarta:

no just grumpy :)

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sid3windr:

eddie128: no, just grumpy, and no, certainly not "compile from source".. rather "read documentation" :)

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eddie128:

well, just as well I did read something first.

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

you followed esr's how to ask questions the smart way

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sid3windr:

so you got useful output from justin :]

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eddie128:

ok, well next step is getting LCDproc to work properly. I can't get it to display anything but the time and standard LCD proc screen. I may be back for more help from justinh after I've read the documentation. Thanks guys.

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jarle:

hmmmm. I have a "Record this programme in this timeslot every day." rule that will start a recording of the same program, on the same channel on both my cards creating two identical copies of the show. How can I prevent this? (Duplicate check is set to none, as this program has the same description each day)...

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jarle:

guess maybe check for duplicates "in current recordings" might do the trick?

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simorghen:

can mythtv be used in an environment with no tv guide data ?

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simorghen:

or satellite/cable guide

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sid3windr:

not really in a useful way

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sid3windr:

afaik

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oobe:

well i wouldnt want to but it could be done

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oobe:

if you wanted to schedule a recording you could manually set the time and name

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simorghen:

not even as a simple tivo to record live tv and pause/play

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simorghen:

?

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oobe:

simorghen, yes you could

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sid3windr:

it would stop every 30min though

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ExElNeT_:

how does mythtv know if the program is a series or a movie?

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sid3windr:

guide data, afaik, ExElNeT_

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simorghen:

to pause/play rewind/fastfowrward ads or to watch instant replay of the currently being watched tv program

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oobe:

all features will work just no guide data to schedule recordings in a easy way

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oobe:

sid3windr, you can manually tell a recording to record a specific time slot its not limited to 30 mins

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simorghen:

where can i lookup if there is guide data vailable for my set up

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sid3windr:

oobe: yes, but that's not the live tv pause/play/record

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oobe:

oh ok

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sid3windr:

that will still stop every 30min

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simorghen:

can mythtv also act as a frontend for movies/videos/episodes stored on the hdd itself? (like xbmc)

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oobe:

yea sorry that would break into 30 min blocks probably

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simorghen:

what is this about 30 minutes?

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oobe:

simorghen, i think you are asking if yuo can run a backend and frontend on same machine then answer is yes

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sid3windr:

if you don't have guide data mythtv assumes unnamed programs start at :00 and :30

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sid3windr:

afaik

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sid3windr:

if you only want to use it for locally stored stuff, mythtv is not for you

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simorghen:

is there a seamless upgrade system that does not require restarts or headbanging on hdesk

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simorghen:

it uses synaptic no?

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oobe:

afaik you dont need to be a headbanger to use any software

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oobe:

most headbangers are in there 40's now and only have training in ms office

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simorghen:

ehheh

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simorghen:

so it is not recommended to use mythtv for non live-tv purposes

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stuarta:

i'd say the opposite is true

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stuarta:

myth is best at recording and then playback at your leasure

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stuarta:

some of us only use livetv for testing

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simorghen:

why should i choose mythtv over xbmc if i dont care for live tv

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justinh:

why not?

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justinh:

why anything?

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justinh:

don't expect anybody here to 'sell' mythtv to you

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simorghen:

im just cirious

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oobe:

i will sell it to him for $50 i accept paypal moneybookers and e-gold

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justinh:

there are several reasons I don't use xbmc

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justinh:

1. it has no timestretch feature

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justinh:

2. it has no arbitrary skip feature

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justinh:

3. no scheduling interface for mythtv's EPG

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justinh:

I could go on. And on. And on

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oobe:

please do

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justinh:

also, I just don't like it

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DarK``_:

simorghen: since they are both free, why dont u try them both and see that suits your needs?

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justinh:

mind you, there are times I feel that way about mythtv

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justinh:

if you don't need TV features, then I'd guess mythtv isn't really for you

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simorghen:

fair enough

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justinh:

that's not to say it isn't useful for non-tv stuff

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justinh:

just saying that it's all a bit involved if you don't want or need TV features

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justinh:

like, having to run mythbackend just so it'll work etc

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justinh:

then again myth has a number of advantages over XBMC in that regard

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justinh:

such as shared content & metadata is global on a mythtv network

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simorghen:

im missing half the convo oh well

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oobe:

PENIS

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justinh:

oobe: JOHNSON

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oobe:

yeash

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oobe:

how is thing justinh

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justinh:

crap. next question

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justinh:

they'll be better when a) I've finished buying presents and b) the year is over :)

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oobe:

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justinh:

in other news, El Reg's roundup of NMTs seemingly cites AppleTV as the only device without a sucky UI. Pity about the HD support though eh

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sid3windr:

=)

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mzb:

hidden hubs ... hmm ... wouldn't mind some of those ;)

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mzb:

reliability might be an issue, it seems, though

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone here played with an HDX 1000 ?

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justinh:

rofl. NZB support in an NMT. Myers

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Neeesat:

I am using mythtv-0–22 version 22965. I have build a server mythbackend and a client with only mythfrontend. Can someone please explain this error when trying to watch Live TV? "error opening jump program file buffer"

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Neeesat:

Anyone?

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justinh:

doesn't look like any error I've ever heard of

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justinh:

seeing the error in context might help. pastebin the backend log

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Neeesat:

http://pastebin.com/d25317ef1

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justinh:

looks like a serious problem

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justinh:

as if the channel you're trying to tune isn't working

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justinh:

try logging with -v record

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Neeesat:

If I run mythfrontend at the server it works ok

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Neeesat:

This problem is on client frontend

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Neeesat:

you mean to start like? mythfrontend -v

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sid3windr:

record

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

explaining that in the 1st place would have saved some time

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Neeesat:

You mean that is working on the main server?

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justinh:

yes

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Neeesat:

ok what is the problem then please?

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justinh:

who knows

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justinh:

could be anything causing it

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justinh:

hostname the same as the backend

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justinh:

wrong or missing timezone

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Neeesat:

yes that might be the case

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justinh:

time wildly out of sync with the backend

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Neeesat:

hostname

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Neeesat:

wait a sec

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justinh:

same as the backend?

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Neeesat:

yes

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justinh:

fix that, you fix the problem

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Neeesat:

Thanks I will try that

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justinh:

otherwise mythfrontend will think the file is local on the machine

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Neeesat:

Thanks

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** justinh checks his temperature. thanked twice in one day. **

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stuarta:

things are looking up

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Neeesat:

Justinh is working

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Neeesat:

Thanks man

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gpd_:

about to buy a panasonic plasma 42inch V10 – any words of wisdom before i do?

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justinh:

check you'll be allowed to carry it onto the bus home?

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gpd_:

wise words indeed.

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justinh:

woohoo. hometime :D

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mishehu:

stoth: greetings

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mishehu:

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kslater:

question about video playback

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kslater:

can it play back from a master backend to a remote frontend?

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skd5aner:

yes

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wagnerrp:

explain what you mean

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wagnerrp:

both recordings and mythvideo use 'storage groups'

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kslater:

in .22?

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skd5aner:

yes

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kslater:

in .21 it was only recordings right?

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wagnerrp:

which can be streamed from the backend to the frontend in lieu of some sort of network file system

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fixxxermet:

I want to setup a diskless frontend. Just to be sure, I should install the backend as usual, then use something like minimyth for the diskless frontend?

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kslater:

ok, so 1 master backend, acting as a video storage device too

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wagnerrp:

yes, SGs for mythvideo are new in 0.22

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skd5aner:

SGs for Videos >=.22

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kslater:

so backed up DVD's on the master backend, can those be watched on remote frontends now?

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skd5aner:

with the exception of .ISOs, which don't work over SGs

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wagnerrp:

however support for ISOs should exist in 0.23

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skd5aner:

kslater: nope

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: that's a goal, but nothing committed yet

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kslater:

so videos, still have to be played back on a frontend that's on the same machine as the backend

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skd5aner:

nope, you can use NFS/CIFS etc

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kslater:

ok, so you'd have to setup some sort of file sharing mechanism from the master backend, then you'd be ok.

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skd5aner:

yes, that is one way to do it (it's the way I do it) – if you don't have a block level video (like ISOs), you can go to SGs for .22, otherwise you have to somehow be able to access the file locally on the frontend

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dserban_:

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dserban_:

the #debian channel got super pwned.

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wagnerrp:

fixxxermet: the format of your diskless frontend depends on what distro youre using

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kslater:

ok, so if the format is mp4 and you use storage groups for videos, you can play them back remotely?

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skd5aner:

yes

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skd5aner:

streamed from the backend via SGs

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wagnerrp:

most distros provide some automation or at least a howto on setting up diskless clients

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skd5aner:

same for mkv, which a lot of people are putting their DVD rips into

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wagnerrp:

kslater: if the format is anything other than a dvd menu structure

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skd5aner:

I, however, still prefer to keep my DVD menu structure in tact, so I'm waiting for .23 before I use SGs for video

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wagnerrp:

the code used to run DVD menus requires direct access to the files

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wagnerrp:

something not currently possible with storage groups

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kslater:

wagnerrp: what about upnp? what parts of myth participate in that? i.e. videos? or recordings? music?

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wagnerrp:

none

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wagnerrp:

myth does not have a upnp client for streaming content

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wagnerrp:

it does have a server which currently only runs on the master backend

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wagnerrp:

although i have no idea how it handles remote content

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kslater:

is this the classic definition of client and server or have the spec group reversed them?

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kslater:

iow – does the server serve up content or consume it in uPnP speak

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wagnerrp:

server serves up, client consumes

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wagnerrp:

although thats not the 'proper' terminology for upnp

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wagnerrp:

they use 'controlpoint', 'renderpoint', and some other terms

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kslater:

so what things does the master backend make available via upnp?

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kslater:

I thought for sure music, but what about recordings or videos

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wagnerrp:

recordings, videos, music.... however whether it supports remote content? i dont know

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kslater:

cool. thanks for the info.

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wagnerrp:

i assume it does so for recordings, i dont know if it ever got updated for video SGs

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kslater:

been out of touch with myth for a bit and trying to help my brother sort some things

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skd5aner:

kslater: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP

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RambaZamba:

hello guys, is it possible to watch a show being recorded by the backend at the same time?

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jams:

RambaZamba- yes you can watch a show as it's being recorded

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RambaZamba:

how? when i choose television i can't rewind

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wagnerrp:

'watch tv' always opens a new tv instance

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jams:

it would be listed under "watch recordings"

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wagnerrp:

it will not switch to an in-progress recording if you do happen to change to the channel one is on

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RambaZamba:

jams: that means, while the show is being recorded i can go to "watch recordings" and watch the whole show from the beginning?

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quicksilver:

RambaZamba: yes precisely.

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wagnerrp:

so how long until we see requests for 'mythtv on my joojoo'?

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quicksilver:

"duelling joojoos"

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RambaZamba:

thank you very much :)

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wagnerrp:

RambaZamba: you can also do the same thing for livetv instances

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skd5aner:

although the recording will only be from when you watched to when you stopped watching unless you hit R to record it, and you have to make sure the filter on the Watched Recording's screen includes Live TV

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skd5aner:

re wagnerrp's comment

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Lunar_Lamp:

I'm attempting to tune a sattelite card for use in mythtv. I have provided a channels.conf for it, and told it to scan using that. It scans through, and finds "probable channels" and "possible channels" (as well as encrypted ones etc). When the scan finishes, there's no channels in the channel listing. What's going on?

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wagnerrp:

you cant scan using a channels.conf

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wagnerrp:

you either import, or you scan from scratch

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wagnerrp:

and import is currently not working

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RambaZamba:

skd5aner, i chose the show to be recorded. While it's being recorded i was away. Now i came back after an hour and started "Live TV". I tried to rewind, but it only allowed me to rewind to the point i started watching the show via livetv

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wagnerrp:

as for scanning, it will ask you what you want to do with those channels when youre done, you have to tell it to add

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Lunar_Lamp:

wagnerrp: ok

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RambaZamba:

i didn't know its possible to watch the recordings while they are recorded. That solves my problem :)

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Lunar_Lamp:

wagnerrp: when I want to do my initial scan then, how do I know what my "frequency" and "symbol rate" are. I can't work out where to get those from.

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Lunar_Lamp:

(and using 'scan' on teh command line worked)

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wagnerrp:

you tell mythtv what frequency table

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wagnerrp:

to use

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Lunar_Lamp:

wagnerrp: so when I used (something like) /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/astra for the scan command, I can give the same frequency table to mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

no, myth has freq tables internally

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Lunar_Lamp:

wagnerrp: ok, I can't see where to specify them. I'm open to this being my stupidity of course. I'm on the "scan configuration" page in the setup.

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fixxxermet:

Led-Hed:

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fixxxermet:

I've been waiting for you.

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Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

hey fixxxermet

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fixxxermet:

how's it going

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Led-Hed:

what do you need?

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fixxxermet:

I'm lost with this minimyth setup.

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fixxxermet:

The first step is to setup the backend master, right?

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Led-Hed:

DHCP and TFTP setup properly?

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fixxxermet:

want to combine this into #dspam?

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Led-Hed:

fixxxermet, ya

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Led-Hed:

is a Backend without X11 supported?

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skd5aner:

Sorta, Kinda

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skd5aner:

Although you need it for mythtv-setup

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skd5aner:

but my master backend doesn't run X, I usually forward it via SSH

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to be running an X server, but at a minimum, you need the libraries for X forwarding

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wagnerrp:

direct forwarding, or SSH tunneling, both work fine

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justinh:

freenx ftw :)

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** justinh wonder wtf a joojoo is **

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iamlindoro:

the musings of a very childish antisemite?

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justinh:

ugh. a tablet thingy. Meh

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mag0o:

haha

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justinh:

hmm. just seen another trail for 'Paradox'. Time to delete without ever seeing

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wagnerrp:

ugh... episode of the office is 'shareholders meeting' from SD, and 'shareholder meeting' from ttvdb

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skd5aner:

looks like "shareholder" is the correct title – bad SD

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Dagmar:

It's incorrect grammar, tho'.

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wagnerrp:

either way, it wasnt getting recognized, and exporting into my generic video folder

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jblack:

I've had it with nfs. i'm going to try giving sshfs a shot

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wagnerrp:

jblack: what are you using it for?

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jblack:

mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

why do you need either?

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kormoc:

nothing like wasting cpu cycles encrypting/decrypting videos!

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wagnerrp:

just use SGs

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jblack:

because the videos are on the server, and a network filesystem is required.

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jblack:

SGs ?

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wagnerrp:

storage groups

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wagnerrp:

see the transition guide on the wiki

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kormoc:

Storage Groups, the myth specific network streaming technology

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jblack:

You mean mythvideo can now stream? YAY!!!!

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skd5aner:

* so long as you don't have ISOs

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kormoc:

just not iso files

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wagnerrp:

and only with the internal player

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jblack:

standard avi... backups.

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wagnerrp:

no ISOs *or* VIDEO_TS folders

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skd5aner:

and only if you sacrafice a goat

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** kormoc eyes jblack **

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jblack:

because I backed up my dvds, which were uh.. destroyed in a fire..

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kormoc:

...

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skd5aner:

oh – I forgot, the goat is no longer required

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kormoc:

why? why would you say such things? don't ask, don't tell, is it really that bloody hard?

[21:20:03]

jblack:

Hey look over there! A donut!

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skd5aner:

jblack: word of advice – don't ask don't tell

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kormoc:

...

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kormoc:

I mean, it's not going to make you any friends in here, more likely to get banned... I just don't see the point in letting it out

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wagnerrp:

face it, people dont understand the concept of discretion anymore

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** kormoc weeps for humanity **

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skd5aner:

my tears ran out a LONG time ago kormoc

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jblack:

Ok. Fine. I'll tell the truth, because I don't want you to misunderstand. I have a pile of stuff from archive.org that I like to watch from my server.

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skd5aner:

archive – we really don't care what it is, or where you got it – just what format it's in

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jblack:

I just didn't want you guys to pick on me for liking old now-public-domain works from the olden days.

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jblack:

I can stream those with storage groups, you say?

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skd5aner:

yes

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wagnerrp:

just drop it, dont be coy, dont allude to anything, just dont talk of such things in a logged channel

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jblack:

Awesome. wiki, here I come

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wagnerrp:

its on the front page, right side

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jblack:

drop what?

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wagnerrp:

talk of content source

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kormoc:

what from where and why

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skd5aner:

can we just move on already? I think the question has been answered

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jblack:

please. I've been trying to for awhile. =)

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Wicked:

jblack, sshfs is ok...but if you plan on having more then connection to it at the saem time...it can get bogged down

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Wicked:

jblack, i used sshfs for about a year or so then switched over to samba

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wagnerrp:

of course theres always the question why you couldnt use NFS... or now SGs

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Wicked:

i used nfs for a while too.

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Wicked:

but decided i wanted something more versatile

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wagnerrp:

versatile for what purpose? myth machines are fairly static

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wagnerrp:

and its not like you cant run nfs along side something else

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Wicked:

i wanted for anyone to be able to use the share with minimal computer skills....for windows,mac,linux.....

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wagnerrp:

but someone with minimal computer skills is not going to be managing mythtv

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Wicked:

the share has more then just recordings on it.

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Wicked:

its got pictures,music,home movies,backups....

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wagnerrp:

which is why you have an NFS for myth, and then whatever you want for the other machines

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Wicked:

nah. why run more then one service when all you need is one?

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wagnerrp:

hopefully you werent sharing those recordings directly over samba anyway

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wagnerrp:

you were at least running it through mythrename to make meaningful names

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wagnerrp:

because different services have different advantages in different scenarios

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Wicked:

nope directly sharing. i let the end user find what they wanted lol....only family/friends

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wagnerrp:

i dont even make myself find what i want

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wagnerrp:

much less force someone else to decipher myth's dated filenames

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Wicked:

meh. most the people using the share where using the other media...music and movies i have archived over the years

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Wicked:

the mythtv recordings where just a bonus for them if they missed a show

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Wicked:

but anyways....i been using just samba for ~6 months now and its working great

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wagnerrp:

sphery: how long did you say it took for you to run mythrename through your largish recording collection?

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wagnerrp:

i just timed it at 24 seconds to populate a table of some 3100 videos

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wagnerrp:

not something i would want to have to do every minute

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bobgill:

I have a recording that was commflagged but the skips are pretty shoddy (lots of fade-to-blacks during the show, so it keeps skipping giant portions).. going into Edit and clearing the cutlist doesn't affect playback (still skips during playback).. I tried mythcommflag in shell here's output I get: http://pastebin.ca/1707456

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wagnerrp:

i may back it off to every 10 minutes or so, or figure out how to hook into mythevent

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map7_:

Hello, I'm having problems with connecting my remote frontend up to my server, could anyone help me?

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wagnerrp:

what did you set your backend ip to?

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map7_:

10.1.1.10

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wagnerrp:

backend ip and master ip, both to that?

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map7_:

I've posted on the ubuntu forums what I'm up to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8458691#post8458691

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wagnerrp:

and you made sure mysql is accessible across a routable network

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map7_:

yes backend & master are that

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wagnerrp:

and you set up the necessary sql permissions for the remote PC?

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map7_:

with mysql I've remarked out the bind-address command in my.cnf

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map7_:

I granted some permissions in my database but I don't know if they are correct

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map7_:

It's the diskless frontend I'm having trouble with

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iamlindoro:

erm, are you saying you commented out bind-address?

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wagnerrp:

'grant all on mythconverg.* to "mythtv"%"remote-ip" identified by "mythtv";'

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map7_:

iamlindoro I've tried setting bind-address to 10.1.1.10 and commenting it out

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iamlindoro:

commenting it out is the opposite of what you want

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map7_:

iamlindoro so it should be 10.1.1.10 in my case?

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iamlindoro:

if that's the IP address your MySQL server is running on

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map7_:

yes it is

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iamlindoro:

and if that's the IP address your config.xml files for myth are pointed at

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map7_:

iamlindoro I tried with bind-address set to 10.1.1.10, restarted my mysql & myth-backend service and still get an error

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iamlindoro:

That just means its not your only problem

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iamlindoro:

but it was most assuredly a problem

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iamlindoro:

you cannot connect to a remote sql server which isn't bound to an IP

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map7_:

iamlindoro I can connect my laptop as a frontend though?

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map7_:

is it working through some upnp thing?

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iamlindoro:

No. You're not... installing MySQL on the frontend, are you?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: 18s on my 2400+ with 412 recordings and 16s on my 2000+ with 727 recordings. It doesn't change much with increasing number of recordings as much of the time is spent on DB access and programinfo creation/parsing. But why on earth would you want to run it once/minute?

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sphery:

once per half hour is generally overkill

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this was for the fusefs thing

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wagnerrp:

how quickly i would refresh the local cache

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sphery:

there's also http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5379

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sphery:

(I'll be looking at that in relatively short order--and likely removing the support for actually renaming recordings)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i was just looking to add mythvideo support, and add a 'singlefile' mode, as a possible alternate if the SG/ISO stuff isnt ready by february

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sphery:

singlefile mode to the fuse thing?

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sphery:

5379 is single file for mythrename.pl

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wagnerrp:

as in you give it a URI, and it provides a filesystem with only that file

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map7_:

Just tried wagnerrp's grant statement and that got it going. The grant statement I was trying was grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'%' identified by '<my myth password from mysql.txt>';

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wagnerrp:

ive never found the '%' wildcards to be reliable

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wagnerrp:

sphery: anyway, that bit was irrelevant, i was just surprised how long it took to pull the full mythvideo database

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map7_:

Thanks so much wagnerrp & iamlindoro I've been hitting my head against a brick wall for days on this

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map7_:

I had to change the theme over as it made it really slow

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map7_:

the diskless frontend that is

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cool... that would be a nice way of handling it.

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ExElNeT_:

hmm something seems wrong. i checked my xmltv xml file and it looks fine. but if i search the whole database for a category listed in the xml file, i wont find it. why? what could have gone wrong?

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henrik__:

ExElNeT_, sorry I don't follow you, you have looked thru your epg xml file?

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henrik__:

and you have "=" on the chanels you are fetching?

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ExElNeT_:

henrik__: yeah. and some informations are just wrong

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ExElNeT_:

so i wonder why...

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henrik__:

wrong in what sence?

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henrik__:

have you bound the xml channel xml name to your channel?

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ExElNeT_:

yeah i did. ah maybe i found the problem... the transmitted eid data might overwrite the xmltv data

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henrik__:

ohh yea.. you need to disable the network transmited data.

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henrik__:

it also screwes up your tv card..

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henrik__:

otherwise if you have the right xml file and right connections done in mythtv, the only problem can be the source

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ExElNeT_:

ok i disabled the eid data on the xmltv channels and truncated the table

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henrik__:

you can also disable it directly in the backend setup..

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henrik__:

I would recomend you disabling all together

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ExElNeT_:

yeah but i dont have xml data for every channel

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