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Thursday, December 3rd, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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justinh:

mike_hurley_1: why not just use SGs instead?

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mike_hurley_1:

justinh:from what i've read, 0.22 storage groups in mythvideo don't support ISO file playback which i need

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justinh:

bah

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wagnerrp:

im really amazed at the number of people who were using direct DVD ISOs

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mike_hurley_1:

wagnerrp:i only use ISOs for some of my Adult Swim DVDs that have 15min episodes since i really don't want to mess with ripping each episode

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mike_hurley_1:

i don't mind ripping 30+min shows

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wagnerrp:

they should each be in their own VOB that you can pull out

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wagnerrp:

(or own set that you can cat)

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mike_hurley_1:

vobs always seems to have strange time problems for me (a 2 hour dvd said it was only 15 min etc)

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mike_hurley_1:

i think it showed the time of only the first chapter in the vob instead of the whole vob

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mike_hurley_1:

oh i solved my initial problem by using unionfs-fuse and having the two folders included read-only

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wagnerrp:

mike_hurley_1: just add each director in a semicolon delimited list

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mike_hurley_1:

wagnerrp: the dir list isn't merged within mythvideo using the folder view

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wagnerrp:

ah, they show up as independent folders?

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wagnerrp:

(ive never actually used it)

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wagnerrp:

just using a third directory with a bunch of symlinks will probably be a much more stable setup

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mike_hurley_1:

so i had /path1/videos:/path2/videos and i had two videos folders with correct children at the left of my folder browser in mythvideo

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mike_hurley_1:

then i need to manage the symlinks

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wagnerrp:

only for a couple months until 0.23 comes out

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mike_hurley_1:

unionfs in read-only mode seems easier

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wagnerrp:

meh... unionfs just leaves a bad taste in my mouth

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wagnerrp:

its always been the source of one problem or another

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mike_hurley_1:

i figure don't use anything fancy (copy on write etc) and it should work ok

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wagnerrp:

i recall there being issues with altering the file systems that unionfs is based off of

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wagnerrp:

at least there was some special option for AUFS you had to compile in to get that to work properly

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mishehu:

wagnerrp: it should be called "onionfs"

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mishehu:

though onion itself is good in many dishes

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bmidgley2:

with ubuntu 9.04 and mythtv, I can start mythexport jobs and I see the file growing but when the transcode finishes the file gets removed

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bmidgley2:

recordings are kept on another drive that is full and expiring content sometimes

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bmidgley2:

could it be the transcodes are getting removed through confusion with expiring recordings?

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wagnerrp:

mythexport is a mythbuntu program, go to them for questions related to it

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bmidgley2:

http://pastebin.com/m147afdd2

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bmidgley2:

ok

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wagnerrp:

also, 9.04 runs an old version of mythtv

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bmidgley2:

I've heard 9.10 lost aac encoding in mythexport

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wagnerrp:

cant say, never used it

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WillieDynamite:

i just heard about myth tv and im kind of interested. from what ive read so far myth tv only runs on linux?

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WillieDynamite:

is that right?

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kshots:

anybody else getting a "QWidget: Cannot create a QWidget when no GUI is being used" crash on r22860 or earlier?

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kshots:

WillieDynamite: No, there is a windows port on the main page... not sure how much support it has, but it doesn't do capture cards – needs a backend

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kshots:

I dug up a bug that shows the same problem (ticket 860)... it had a patch that was submitted 4 years ago

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kshots:

... I'd assume that was already incorporated

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kshots:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/860

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WillieDynamite:

just wondering cause i mostly use windows. would it be bad to use mythtv through a virtual machine running linux

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kshots:

WillieDynamic: You won't get any capture card support through a VM

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WillieDynamite:

ah

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kshots:

at the least, you'd still need a backend

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WillieDynamite:

so i would be sol ?

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kshots:

if you want the whole package running under windows?... yes

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kshots:

if you just want the player under windows with a backend under linux, you should be fine

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WillieDynamite:

i would like to set it up so i can record and replay live tv

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kshots:

you can – you need a box somewhere that runs linux is all

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kshots:

it doesn't have to be on your desktop

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wagnerrp:

WillieDynamite: you *can* use a HDHomeRun under windows, but that will likely be the extent of tuner support for some time to come

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wagnerrp:

someone would have to write a VfW driver interface, and i dont expect that to be any time soon

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kshots:

so... nobody's backend is crashing with a QWidget creation message? :(

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WillieDynamite:

thats too bad

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Brad-D:

kshots: not mine, sorry

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WillieDynamite:

maybe i'll keep looking to see if there is a different program that can do what i want

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wagnerrp:

WillieDynamite: youve got gbpvr, sagetv, MCE, and a handful of other windows DVR systems

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WillieDynamite:

which one would you recommend?

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt recommend any, i use mythtv and have no experience with any of them

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WillieDynamite:

haha i though you were gonna say that

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kshots:

they all have one thing in common... commercials :)

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wagnerrp:

not that ive got anything against them, i just cannot give an informed recommendation

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kshots:

unfortunately, though... I seem to have to restart my backend at least once a day – it seems to be segfaulting, and that QWidget issue is the only thing I can see that would cause it

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WillieDynamite:

thanks for the info anyways you are very helpful

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WillieDynamite:

what do ya mean though about they all have on thing in common comercials?

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wagnerrp:

he doesnt think any of them have automatic commercial detection

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WillieDynamite:

or was that not directed for me?

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kshots:

they all keep the commercials... mythtv cuts them out automatically. I haven't seen one since 2005

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wagnerrp:

myth does not cut them out automatically

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WillieDynamite:

wow thats really cool

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wagnerrp:

it simply flags them

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WillieDynamite:

ah

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wagnerrp:

you have the option of automatically skipping them, being informed of them, or doing nothing

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kshots:

well, yeah, it flags... I hit a button, they get skipped without me ever seeing them

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WillieDynamite:

myth tv looks really nice. i just like windows a more cause it has more prog available

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kshots:

what "progs" do you want?

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WillieDynamite:

ive been using ubuntu more and more though

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kshots:

ah, you're talking general use, not TV-specific

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WillieDynamite:

nero, vmware, poker programs

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WillieDynamite:

yep

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kshots:

well... like I said, run the backend on another linux machine, and have your windows frontend connect to it

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is really designed to run on dedicated hardware

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WillieDynamite:

what does backended mean?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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WillieDynamite:

just remote into the linux comp?

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kshots:

no... the backend does the capture, storage, and scanning

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kshots:

the frontend does the display

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kshots:

they don't have to be on the same machine

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WillieDynamite:

ah

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kshots:

but yeah... read the wiki, it has a better explanation, I'm sure

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WillieDynamite:

thanks

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luux:

hi

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luux:

what's the movie playing in My9 channel?

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luux:

hello?

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luux:

oh I got THE UNIT

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luux:

is it a movie or a show?

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wagnerrp:

show

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luux:

so what's going on?

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skd5aner:

The Unit = great show

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skd5aner:

CBS is stupid for cancelling it

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wagnerrp:

never saw it

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luux:

why is great?

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luux:

says is based on novel

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Anduin

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luux:

so what's going on?

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Brad-D:

i saw a few episodes of the unit way back in the day

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Brad-D:

i thought it was okay if nothing else was on

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Brad-D:

i think there are much better choices out there :)

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luux:

that's it??!!

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luux:

it ended without nothing happening oO

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luux:

wuhuu!! fag rights defeated!!!!!

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wagnerrp:

someone put a ban on smoking?

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luux:

pretty much everywhere, clubs, public spaces etc..

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jblack:

the taxes are too high for anyone that's not rich to smoke anymore, anyways.

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luux:

lol! I forgot the taxes too!! that's a virtual ban.

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wagnerrp:

so... you go to a club to get drunk, take narcotics, find a girl, drive home, have unprotected sex...

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iamlindoro:

luux, Watch your mouth in here, please

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wagnerrp:

... but god forbid you have to smell someone's smoke in the process

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luux:

iamlindoro: k

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wagnerrp:

sounds like someone's personal agenda taken much further than it should have

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jblack:

That's how it goes.

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jblack:

I don't know how europe's doing these days, but the US is definitely moving towards a puritanical phase.

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Dagmar:

cuz you know them gays is making martian landin' strips

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luux:

jblack: uh??? what stuff are u smoking??

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wagnerrp:

nothing, because that smell pissed someone off and they banned it

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jblack:

Nothing, because smoking is banned everywhere.

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Dagmar:

...but at least they didn't pull a "hey let's have a majority vote on the rights of a minority" thing

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luux:

ohh... I thought you meant other areas.

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jblack:

One step forward, two steps back.

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wagnerrp:

only the foolish vote to take away others' rights

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wagnerrp:

but hey, seems were in a country of fools

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jblack:

There are people that think Bush was better than Obama

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jblack:

That should tell you something right there

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kshots_:

isn't that the purpose of government?

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jblack:

Hell. THere's people that _like palin_

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kshots_:

Bush had his problems... Obama has bigger problems... neither is a good choice

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kshots_:

hell... I haven't seen a "good choice" in my lifetime

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wagnerrp:

didnt you know? every election is between a douche and a turd sandwich

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jblack:

That's where you and I differ. I think obama is one of the best presidents we've ever had. he's the closest thing we've had to roosevelt since roosevelt

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kshots_:

wow... I thought roosevelt was one of our worst too... I guess we're on different ends of the political spectrum

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wagnerrp:

well first you have to say which one (there were two, remember?)

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** kshots_ assumes we're talking about the more recent one **

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wagnerrp:

then you have to explain what exactly he has done

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jblack:

depression era roosevelt, his social programs, he trust busting work, etc.

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kshots_:

yep, the sort of stuff that probably saved people's lives, granted... but prolonged the depression itself

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wagnerrp:

the difference is that in roosevelt's era, you actually had to do something to be part of social programs

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kshots_:

... and also had far-reaching effects that we're still paying for to this day

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** luux came to the US in 1990 **

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jblack:

Granted, that "if you need help, fine, but we'll keep you busy while we're helping you" is a fantastic deterrent

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wagnerrp:

only because those programs werent allowed to end as they should have been

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jblack:

kshots_: Those programs helped get us out of the depression, and the infrastructure gave us immense advantage in world war ii

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kshots_:

I disagree

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mzb:

is it possible to get another application (aplay) to share the sound device with mythfrontend?

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mzb:

(eg: notifications during playback)

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jblack:

kshots_: Then we don't agree on what the color blue looks like.

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kshots_:

we probably won't, if you call it red :)

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Dagmar:

ALSA is actually *supposed* to facilitate that

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mzb:

that's what I thought

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mzb:

I've got myth set to alsa:default

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mzb:

but if I attempt to aplay during playback it barfs

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Dagmar:

dmix is probably somehow missing

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mzb:

aplay: main:564: audio open error: Device or resource busy

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mzb:

ah ... dmix ... thanks, I'll look into that

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mzb:

issue I've got is complicated by having two sound cards

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truxartis:

Dagmar: Dead Milkman fan ? nice.

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mchou:

mzb: works over here on alsa

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mzb:

cool, got 2 cards?

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mchou:

mzb: I mean it works on 1 card (2 sounds playing simul)

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mchou:

mzb: I have (another) usb card if that of interest

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mzb:

all on defaults, or you have a custom asoundrc?

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ctmjr:

hi, i have a strange problem i am using the svn version of myth, and tonight when i started the frontend it loaded the image gallery instead of the main menu i hit esc and it goes back to the main menu everything works, it just decided i wanted to look at pictures for some reason

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mchou:

mzb: all defaults

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mchou:

mzb: you need to make sure you're in the "audio" group

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

yeah, ok ... I'll put it this way ... with _two_ cards, my system doesn't do simultaneous output by default

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mchou:

mzb: you need to be more clear what you mean

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mzb:

to a single card

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mchou:

both devices playing same sound (like jack) or different sounds?

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mzb:

different sounds on a single card, but a second card present (basically unused for the purpose of this exercise)

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mzb:

one sound source being mythfrontend, the other being aplay (via script)

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mchou:

mzb: your issue has nothing to do with the fact you have a 2nd sound card

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mzb:

err ... actually it does

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mzb:

the "2nd card" (USB) is detected first (I think) and becomes the default

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mchou:

mzb: man, getting pertinent info from you is like pulling teeth

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mchou:

why are you even trying to complicate matters witgh 2nd sound card?

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mchou:

do 2 different sounds play on a single card...get that WORKING first

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mzb:

machine in downstairs, long cable runs (inc: audio, video and usb) upstairs

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mzb:

the purpose of the usb audio is to (eventually) hook up webcam+mic

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mchou:

omg

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mzb:

(using 7 port hub)

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mchou:

mzb: do 2 different sounds play on a single card??

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mzb:

NO

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mchou:

whyy dont you answer the damn question?

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ctmjr:

so my question is does anyone know where the frontend startup file lives so i can fix it

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mchou:

then get that working first. that issue has NOTHING to do with presence of 2nd sound card

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oobe:

ingy pingy

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oobe:

Dagmar, im having a problem with my mythtv build script it doesnt make the program name mythtv it keeps adding mythtv-0.22-fixes as the name so removepkg mythtv does not work also it wont show package description during install mind taking a look

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Dagmar:

1. *Write* a description file.

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oobe:

i keep modifying it but i will paste what i have at the moment in paste bin

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Dagmar:

The engine looks for them and will incorporate one

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Dagmar:

2. It doesn't rename anything

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Dagmar:

Package names are always packagename-version-revision

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Dagmar:

If you set $VERSION to "0.22-fixes" this would be why

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Dagmar:

Don't put a dash in there.

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oobe:

actually i havent tried the ones u gave me yet this is modded from slackbuilds http://pastebin.ca/1699626

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Dagmar:

Right so this is where I explain that after having handed you something that will build mythtv-0.21-fixes and package it as neatly as humanly possible, you show me a modified SlackBUild?

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Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

Dude I built 0.20 and 0.21 and 0.21-fixes literally DOZENS of times with the other

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Dagmar:

I'm reasonably sure the init script it has is light years beyond anyone else's

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oobe:

sorry i havent got round to trying yours i will do it soon

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oobe:

yea i looked at it looks good checks if database is installed ect.

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oobe:

truth be told i havent used it yet cause it will take me a bit to read through first so i know what to expect

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Dagmar:

Mainly that you edit ./config to change a few directory locations, and then you run ./build mythtv

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Dagmar:

er after you have possibly edited SCRIPTS/mythtv/build to set a few different variables, tell it where to look for the source, etc

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oobe:

does it specify qt3 paths?

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Dagmar:

I didnt' make it specify any paths for multiple reasons

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Dagmar:

1. I was using a Qt version that lives in /usr like it should

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Dagmar:

2. When Qt isn't in /usr _you_ are supposed to set QTDIR and QTPATH and that is generally getting done by everyone's profile scripts

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oobe:

cool

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oobe:

im looking at it again now

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Dagmar:

IIRC you just plop a slack-desc into the scripts directory next to the build script, but it's not like there's not 300+ examples in there

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oobe:

yeah cool im always ready to sleep when i speak with you but i will look at it when i wake up and hopefully get this problem soughted by using your scripts instead

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markl_:

hmm

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markl_:

is there a howto for getting vdpau going on karmic with mythtv 0.22?

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markl_:

ok that was easy

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markl_:

quite a ridiculous improvement in cpu too!

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wagnerrp:

slow day on the wiki

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Elwell:

wagnerrp: mailing list makes up for it

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slacker-:

hi

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slacker-:

I'm getting the following in my mythbacken log file:

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slacker-:

2009-12–03 16:34:45.432 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1003_20090919080000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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slacker-:

2009-12–03 16:34:45.464 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/theDude/1003_20090919080000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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slacker-:

what can I do?

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slacker-:

1003_20090919080000.mpg doesn't exist in my recordings dir

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pat|:

make it exist

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pat|:

and then it will be able to delete it

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pat|:

and all will be well in the world

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** pat| strikes up a yoga pose **

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slacker-:

alright.. *waits*

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pat|:

touch may be your friend in this situation

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slacker-:

yep, done that

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slacker-:

It does it every 15 minutes. so the next run should be due in 1 minute

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pat|:

make sure the permissions on it are correctly set

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slacker-:

yep

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ivor:

or there's always the find-orphans script

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slacker-:

I don't have anything with that name

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slacker-:

ok, the error is gone. now see what happens if I delete that recording in mythweb

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pat|:

on ubuntu it lives under /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib

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pat|:

there's a myth.find_orphans.pl.gz file

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slacker-:

oh, it's with an underscore, ok

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ivor:

might be worth running in preview mode just to see if it finds any issues.

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ivor:

just running with no params won't delete/change anything

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slacker-:

I shouldn't have to manually specify recording directories, right?

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slacker-:

I've got RecordFilePrefix set to my recording dir

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slacker-:

in mythweb settings

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slacker-:

and it thinks that all my recordings are unknown

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slacker-:

maybe I should mention that I've just upgraded to 0.22

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slacker-:

ah well, the error is gone

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slacker-:

Thanks for you help guys

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schaze:

Hi all, I am struggling with MythTV's autoexpire functions. Does anyone have any expierience in this? My particular problem is that I want all recordings to get deleted if they are older than e.g. 15 days. Is something like that possible?

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rooaus:

schaze: Sure, that is possible you find it in the autoexpire settings. You need to enable the "Autoexpire instead of delete" then set the "Deleted max age". I would also recommend the "expire in deleted order".

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justinh:

awww another slashdot user whining about mythtv. bless. somebody should smack him & say that if issues encountered are never reported they'll never get fixed

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ivor:

justinh: yeah like you ever take it off

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justinh:

I thought better of commenting on /. That's the start of a very slippery slope is that

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mzb:

Dibblah, fyi, I've got the dual audio ouput working but haven't rebooted yet

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mzb:

also fwiw, two sound cards make a big difference from mythfrontend's point of view (preferring ALSA:default)

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mzb:

which was my problem with the rantings of mchou

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justinh:

aye depending which order they come up when you boot, you may or may not get audio

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mzb:

yep

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justinh:

experienced that before. not so much mythtv's fault though

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** justinh smacks ubuntu in the chops for good measure **

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mzb:

hopefully problem solved ... covered by modprobe options and asoundrc config

[11:03:42]

Dibblah:

... Why me?

[11:04:09]

mzb:

because iirc, you offered some advice about dmix ... thank you

[11:04:13]

justinh:

mzb: aww but it wouldn't be IRC without rantings ;-)

[11:04:21]

mzb:

hehe

[11:04:29]

justinh:

apopleptic rantings at that

[11:04:39]

mzb:

:)

[11:05:04]

mzb:

this will sound really silly

[11:05:08]

justinh:

whenever I thinkI might be being unreasonable I think of him & I'm reminded I'm not so bad after all

[11:05:54]

mzb:

but the reason I wanted to have simultaneous alsa output was so that I could hear "DRIP" sounds when me rain tipper triggered

[11:05:58]

justinh:

oh gawd, work colleague asking me about helping him install mythtv

[11:06:10]

mzb:

I've been *giggling* all night ;))

[11:06:14]

justinh:

lol

[11:06:25]

mzb:

(it's been raining;))

[11:06:36]

mzb:

s/me/my

[11:06:57]

justinh:

simple things... etc ;-)

[11:07:05]

mzb:

absolutely

[11:07:18]

mzb:

spectacular effect ;)

[11:07:45]

justinh:

plug JACK in & have it going through reverb too :D

[11:08:02]

justinh:

never got the hang of JACK though

[11:08:39]

mzb:

if I could have better control of mythlcdserver I'd be able to have updated "mm/Hr" readings too, but I suspect I should calibrate it properly before I get to that stage

[11:08:55]

mzb:

(just entering tip events to db atm)

[11:09:28]

mzb:

yeah, played with jack et al ... prefer to keep it simple(r)

[11:10:05]

mzb:

currently have the sensor (card) on one machine and the sensor(s) available via snmp

[11:10:39]

mzb:

the mythfrontend reads the results from the snmp server and if there's a change it "announces" it

[11:10:40]

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mzb:

eg: doors (x5), rain tipper ("DRIP") or rain sensor ("dry enough for irrigation"|"too wet for irrigation")

[11:13:08]

mzb:

osd would kind of be nice ... but I'd prefer this sort of notification to be audible and/or lcdproc

[11:14:43]

** justinh wonders how long it would take to make somebody actually turn *insane* with audio announcements **

[11:15:07]

ivor:

not long in the lifts here

[11:15:12]

ivor:

bloody things.

[11:15:14]

mzb:

I'm aiming to find out .. my Dad made the same suggestion ;)

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ivor:

voice announcements for lift arriving, lift direction, lift doors opening/closing

[11:15:44]

ivor:

which floor

[11:15:46]

justinh:

we have lifts with the worst pun name in the whole wide world

[11:15:47]

ivor:

etc

[11:16:02]

justinh:

Schindler's Lifts.. FFS

[11:16:14]

ivor:

and dodgy sensors. so they're always reopening and closing and reannouncing everything.

[11:16:41]

mzb:

that being said ... it amuses me greatly now ... so I'll stick with it (a separate machine&process takes care of logging the events to a db) ... this is just the "debugging phase"

[11:16:45]

justinh:

BING BONG....number four hundred and fifty seven.... to your collection point please

[11:17:03]

justinh:

being in Argos is like water torture. even moreso at this time of year

[11:17:41]

** justinh wonders if "going postal" will ever be remade "going Argos" **

[11:19:15]

** mzb wonders if a *black* cable drum & black $3 funnel should have been white ;) **

[11:19:40]

justinh:

bless. just how long is it going to take for all the users to realise stuff has irrevokably changed in 0.22?

[11:19:53]

mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTipper/

[11:19:55]

justinh:

muh, delete recordings! SOB

[11:20:04]

mzb:

DELETE?

[11:20:07]

mzb:

:)

[11:20:13]

justinh:

mzb: shoulda been invisible for my money but heh

[11:20:33]

mzb:

ah ... didn't think of invisible

[11:20:59]

** mzb searches for the cost of invisible paint **

[11:21:00]

justinh:

seems funny that people think in terms of file sizes when they want to delete stuff

[11:21:22]

justinh:

it's either worth keeping or it's not IMHO

[11:22:38]

mzb:

I can see that ... multiply your estimations of your need for capacity by somewhere between 2x and 10x and you're probably in the ballpark ;)

[11:22:49]

Dibblah:

COTS hardware?

[11:22:54]

Dibblah:

... Sheesh.

[11:23:04]

Dibblah:

And I don't approve of your earth connection ;)

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** mzb zaps Dibblah to ensure he's grounded **

[11:23:47]

mzb:

earth connection?

[11:24:16]

justinh:

mzb: soon have that painted white

[11:24:19]

Dibblah:

The croc clip.

[11:24:27]

justinh:

either that or paint the house black

[11:24:27]

mzb:

lost me

[11:24:32]

mzb:

lol

[11:24:33]

Dibblah:

Green

[11:24:47]

justinh:

hahaha

[11:24:51]

justinh:

jees

[11:24:59]

justinh:

skating on thin ice with that

[11:25:06]

mzb:

croc clip?

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Dibblah:

The green wire hanging down.

[11:25:25]

justinh:

the green croc clip lead on your irrigation board

[11:25:31]

mzb:

nah ... ${woman} says no to black

[11:25:33]

mzb:

um

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Dibblah:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTip . . . on_board.jpg

[11:25:46]

mzb:

hang on ... that's for debug .. let me check

[11:26:01]

justinh:

left hand side going from a d-type to the mains power outlet block

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Dibblah:

I don't actually think it's "going to"

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mzb:

hehe ... on that pic it's not connected to anything

[11:26:35]

mzb:

HOWEVER

[11:27:00]

mzb:

it turns out there's an earth problem with the design of that circuit

[11:27:10]

mzb:

and I'm *almost* there

[11:27:29]

mzb:

(keeping in mind that 5 of the inputs are for doors)

[11:28:06]

mzb:

the top left chip is for "card select" logic ... pretty poor design

[11:28:57]

mzb:

I've removed the chip and earthed it's output (so that the card is permanently selected)

[11:29:52]

mzb:

but my main problem has been with inputs ... the earth provided in the "inputs" socket (D9 bottom right) is not right

[11:31:23]

justinh:

I wouldn't use anything but optoisolated inputs in that

[11:31:35]

justinh:

no optos, no deal :)

[11:31:52]

mzb:

I think I've got it right now ... and that's why I've been pissing myself tonight ... only 3 inputs (6–8) have been earthed correctly (rain tipper and rain sensor and *blank) whereas the door inputs aren't working

[11:32:05]

mzb:

all the inputs are opto-isolated

[11:32:27]

mzb:

lower-left of the relays

[11:33:05]

mzb:

(total of eight .. one for each input)

[11:33:32]

mzb:

I probably should have put more effort into the pic

[11:35:08]

mzb:

I also need to rewire the earth for inputs. Sounds like a small thing, but requires moving a 1991 20" monitor ... ie: clean garage before it happens .... :|

[11:36:04]

mzb:

(have to stand on an electric computer desk and bend over the 20" to get to the board)

[11:36:10]

mzb:

*anyway*

[11:37:03]

mzb:

I'd like to have "customisable" events from things like doors or "rain tippers" on my LCD (lcdproc not LCD screen)

[11:37:22]

pat|:

if you're anywhere near brisbane I can give you another big monitor and crap if you want

[11:37:31]

mzb:

:)

[11:37:56]

mzb:

thanks pat| ... .tas.au

[11:38:16]

mzb:

(20" is now "legacy" gear;)

[11:38:29]

mzb:

s/20" CRT

[11:38:29]

** pat| will take it along to the next humbug.org.au meeting to dispose. they're vultures for old gear **

[11:38:37]

mzb:

:)

[11:38:55]

** mzb prepares his museum **

[11:39:40]

mzb:

so, what I'm thinking is:

[11:40:14]

mzb:

if "custom screens" can be defined through the network socket of mythlcdserver

[11:40:36]

pat|:

you'll spend more in electricity powering it for a month than what it is worth

[11:41:06]

mzb:

then there needs to be the ability to a) define (multiple) screens and b) change the priority of their display

[11:41:32]

mzb:

pat|: a 20" ? yeah ... absolutely ;)

[11:42:01]

mzb:

got it years (decades) ago

[11:42:10]

mzb:

swapped it for a car ;)

[11:42:19]

mzb:

(neither worked;))

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pat|:

I managed to sell my 24" sony just as decently priced 24" lcd screens came in

[11:42:43]

pat|:

haven't looked back

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mzb:

nice work

[11:43:25]

mzb:

apart from a 51' (?) TV, I'm only using (3x) LCD's now, too

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mzb:

s/51"

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mzb:

err ... except for "special occasions"

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mzb:

(where power is of no consequence ... and the 42" RPTV comes out .... which I was given for $0 but doesn't like HEAT | VIBRATION | CRITICISM !! )

[11:47:42]

mzb:

fwiw, this is the LCD display I want (rotating) notifications for: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . re_frame.jpg

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mzb:

and this is my (technically incorrect) splash: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . b_splash.jpg

[11:49:08]

Dibblah:

Correct earthing means star earthing.

[11:49:13]

Dibblah:

Nothing else is correct.

[11:49:21]

mzb:

planning on "3 line" chars for things like CID

[11:49:31]

mzb:

Dibblah, lost me already

[11:49:41]

mzb:

but appreciate advice

[11:49:45]

Dibblah:

And as justinh says, optoisolators are not just a good idea – They're The Law.

[11:49:59]

mzb:

the are already there

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Dibblah:

mzb: Look up earth loops / star.

[11:50:04]

mzb:

s/they

[11:50:16]

mzb:

yes, understand earth loops

[11:50:36]

mzb:

(I think)

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Dibblah:

Right. So your equipment should only ever have one actual earth point.

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mzb:

err ... in theory

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Dibblah:

Then everything else stars off that with NO other interconnections.

[11:51:05]

mzb:

hmm ...

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mzb:

psu for the card probably has different earth potential to computer ... right?

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justinh:

mzb: doubtless :)

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mzb:

splits are a wonderful thing .... in the fullness of time, but when you're trying to talk THEY'RE BAD!!!

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justinh:

whee that's another one of the cases for my WHA project prepared

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mzb:

gday J-e-f-f-A

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justinh:

extruded alooominum boxes ftw

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mzb:

Dibblah, I've found the problems with the earth (afaik) ... the original circuit was earthed badly, so I agree with your point

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justinh:

mmmm bad earthing. I see dead people

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mzb:

however, all inputs are isolated, and I've "centralised" the problems with the earthing ;)

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mzb:

*AND* all the inputs are mere switches, regardless

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justinh:

heh I just mean in general

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justinh:

now if only there was a way to utilise cold air from outside to save money running the fridge & freezer

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mzb:

outputs are yet to be put in use, I'm thinking about curtain motors (I have a dual-stepper controller) ... just depends if I can do 10m runs ;)

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justinh:

that kind of thing is maybe best left to a local controller

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mzb:

justinh, aren't they called heat pumps?

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justinh:

mzb: yeah but they're in the house where it's warm in winter

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justinh:

so we're spending money to keep warm, and spending more money cooling stuff down

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mzb:

nah ... don't want to take up the space with a local controller (and all the wiring required) ... if I can do it with remote steppers O

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mzb:

..I'd be happier

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justinh:

it's not as bad as $woman putting the heating on full blast then opening windows when she gets too hot

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justinh:

grr

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mzb:

hehehehehe

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mzb:

*automation* seems like a bad thing, right? :)

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justinh:

not unless it can lock doors & windows when the heating is on

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mzb:

you can see where I

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justinh:

:P

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mzb:

m going

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mzb:

yeah ... but why bother locking windows and doors if _IT_ controls the heat/cool in the first place?

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justinh:

I'd love to automate our curtains but motors for bay windows are ARGHHH expensive

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justinh:

mzb: ie take the stat out of her control? it'll never be passed

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justinh:

sheesh that'd be like me getting the telly remote back!

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mzb:

(as opposed to ${WOMAN} who doesn't have the advantage of extra things like "external temperature sensors", "day/night control", "automatic daylight savings compensation" ...;)))

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mzb:

OR

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mzb:

remote control!!

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justinh:

you don't need sell it to me man

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justinh:

I know all this stuff

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mzb:

(unless you bought the version with "extra discipline";))

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mzb:

:)

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** justinh laments the time of year for being when people adorn their houses with blue flashing LEDs **

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justinh:

blue, white/blue or blue/white

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pat|:

wife of much wifeliness has put some she had secretly purchased up tonight

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justinh:

been a while since the phantom cable snipper has been seen around my way,come to think...

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Dibblah:

Uhm... You know how hard it is to do curtains DIY?

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pat|:

orange, red, green, blue.... flash flash flash

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justinh:

pat|: flash flash flash ...<SNIP> Ahhhh

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Dibblah:

Motor – single loop of cord, job done.

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mzb:

yeah, and I've only helped to continue the problem by spending the day soldering a "Christmas Star Kit" with my 4yo daughter

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justinh:

Dibblah: yeah but maniacal stuff isn't my hot point

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pat|:

I've got to give credit where it is due. She bought me a ladder earlier in the year, I realise now for her to use to put the lights up by herself – not for me.

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justinh:

pat|: heh how very moder.. I mean emasculating

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mzb:

yeah, got a pretty good idea of the level of difficulty Dibblah ... been working up to it for 20 years ;)

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mzb:

(ie: one part at a time;)

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justinh:

seriously though LED xmas lights should die in a fire

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mzb:

that's not to say I've got the answers

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Dibblah:

http://failblog.org/2009/11/03/holiday-lighting-win/

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justinh:

Dibblah: I think it probably helps if your curtains run smoothly & evenly to start with ;)

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pat|:

without looking I'm going to guess "ditto"?

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Dibblah:

justinh: Are they on a pole?

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mzb:

hehe

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justinh:

flimsy plastic track :-\

[12:11:38]

justinh:

and *bay* windows

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Dibblah:

Oh. They generally need a good greasing. Or burning.

[12:12:10]

justinh:

and btw those xmas lights look like bulbs not LEDs :)

[12:12:25]

justinh:

don't mind displays which actually *do* stuff

[12:12:32]

justinh:

not just mindless flashing. bleh

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justinh:

also means somebody went to the trouble & arranged stuff rather than just flinging em up & plugging em in. Have to respect that at least :)

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mzb:

I've got a LARGE selection of steppers, tracks, gears, etc ...

[12:17:04]

justinh:

problem with our curtains is the 90 degree turns they have to go through

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mzb:

curtain control is not the only thing I've been 'working up to"

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justinh:

need a lot of torque, that

[12:17:36]

justinh:

wonder if the Chinoise are doing anything nifty in that area lately

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mzb:

not worried about "turns" ... can have one at each corner (and each end!;)

[12:18:40]

mzb:

also got gears, rods, clutches ....

[12:18:57]

justinh:

fine if you want the ones in the middle to stay there

[12:19:16]

justinh:

but oh no. $woman would want em all the way back like wot we do by hand

[12:19:56]

mzb:

my only concern (apart from the amount of effort) is the length of the run from the steppers to the controller ... if I *can* make it long then I've got it made

[12:20:19]

mzb:

f ${woman}

[12:21:40]

mzb:

I'd prefer to put a switch on the wall that she (thinks she) can use to (directly control) the curtains

[12:22:04]

mzb:

s/bleh

[12:22:31]

mzb:

donut time

[12:23:06]

mzb:

(rare event)

[12:24:26]

mzb:

did I mention clutches?

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justinh:

ouch. Â£400 for a 4m motorised track with two 90 degree bends

[12:25:30]

mzb:

yep

[12:25:45]

mzb:

so you can see why I've been "collecting" ;)

[12:25:57]

mzb:

I might get there one day ;)

[12:26:12]

mzb:

woman opens curtains by hand ... mythtv closes after 5 mins ... ideal ;)

[12:26:34]

justinh:

maybe electric blinds would be much easier

[12:27:14]

mzb:

I like curtains

[12:29:18]

mzb:

I also want additions that I make to be invisible AND transparent

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mzb:

ie: automatic curtains usable by humans and hidden controllers ... but we'll see

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

BoB!

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Dibblah:

Steppers are very high current requirement.

[12:33:31]

Dibblah:

You need the driver to be local.

[12:34:01]

mzb:

hmm

[12:34:50]

mzb:

I *really* can't see the difference between having a remote supply and a remote controller

[12:35:06]

mzb:

(in this context)

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** mzb adds that he's not an electronic/electrical engineer and only had basic electric* skills|knowledge **

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mzb:

s/has

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citybird1:

still trying to get mythtv running and I need help

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citybird1:

log files says unknown video codec

[13:03:24]

frodef:

Is intel gma 950 graphics any good for mythtv?

[13:04:28]

[Peter]:

frodef: short version, no.

[13:05:20]

Dibblah:

short version, yes.

[13:05:27]

ivor:

long version? :)

[13:05:31]

antgel:

short version, yes and no

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[Peter]:

Dibblah: I guess you like tearing

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frodef:

antgel: that must be the long version..

[13:06:16]

Dibblah:

It works fine for me. I have now shifted to using GT220s, but it works just fine for HD (mpeg2) and SD.

[13:06:42]

Dibblah:

The latest version of the driver fixes the issue with opengl vsync + non-3d surfaces.

[13:06:49]

antgel:

[Peter]: my geforce 8300 (onboard 8200) is tearing one one of two identical installations

[13:07:09]

frodef:

so there is some video/mpeg driver support for gma 950?

[13:07:43]

[Peter]:

antgel: seems as they are not identical, then.

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citybird1:

should i change the settings from rtjpeg to mpeg4?

[13:09:10]

antgel:

[Peter]: yes, i was vague, the screens are different, and on the smaller screen there was overscan so i had to use the screen setup thing in myth

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citybird1:

I have a hapauge 500 card with dual tuners

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citybird1:

traing to get analouge cable to work

[13:09:32]

antgel:

[Peter]: i meant identical from a myth hardware / software perspective

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citybird1:

very frustrating

[13:09:52]

citybird1:

i have yet to see any tv on my pc

[13:10:03]

[Peter]:

antgel: Probably a configuration issue

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citybird1:

i just would like conformation that it even works

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citybird1:

id settle for seeing VLC play live tv

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antgel:

[Peter]: they have the same config AFAICS *shrug* apart from what i mentioned ^^

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justinh:

any dvb-t2 tuners on the market yet? how's about *now*? now? NOW?

[13:25:33]

justinh:

mzb: one thing that might kill your idea is the resistance of the wiring to the motors. steppers are seriously whopping great big inductors

[13:25:45]

justinh:

massive peak currents involved

[13:25:52]

antgel:

justinh: you just love tuning tuners

[13:26:11]

justinh:

antgel: I was digging in driver code last night

[13:26:33]

justinh:

still wanna fix mythtv noscanny problem with my errant pci dvb-t tuner

[13:27:16]

justinh:

the whole problem could be worked around by doing away with full scanning & just looking up the tuning data instead of course

[13:27:26]

justinh:

that'd be way faster too

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justinh:

I mean why scan 57 (x3) frequencies if you know only five are active? ;-)

[13:30:23]

AndyCap:

justinh: on a related note, what genius thought compiling in the frequency list was a good idea?

[13:30:41]

justinh:

erm.. they're not things you need to update often

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AndyCap:

Hah

[13:31:25]

justinh:

true though

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justinh:

but I think if mythtv-setup ever does lookups it'd have to use services.mythtv.org

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justinh:

gawd, putting stuff in external scripts & files containing tables.. that's just a mere step away from mythtv.pl ! :-O

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citybird:

can anyone help? http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f250a0f15

[13:38:18]

justinh:

looks like you've not set up the encoder profile(s)

[13:38:26]

justinh:

they don't come ready configured I'm afraid. Never have

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citybird:

ok

[13:38:45]

citybird:

never know that this is my 20th attempt

[13:39:08]

citybird:

where do i find info on fixing that

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justinh:

a few things though...

[13:39:30]

justinh:

are you sure you selected the right type of tuner card in mythtv-setup? It doesn't autodetect your tuner

[13:40:01]

citybird:

I think so, it's a Haupauge 500

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justinh:

it defaults to (crappy) V4L framegrabber, so if your tuner is a funky mpeg2 encoder (e.g. Hauppauge PVR) or a DVB/ATSC digital tuner card... WRONG!

[13:40:37]

justinh:

PVR500? then you *definitely* have got it set to the wrong type

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citybird:

hmm

[13:40:44]

justinh:

or rather you didn't set it to anything

[13:40:57]

justinh:

you need to choose the MPEG2 ENCODER type

[13:41:26]

justinh:

20 attempts huh. I call that determination ;-)

[13:41:29]

citybird:

leme run that now. one small question. when i run the setup it asks to run mythfilldatabase after i close the setup. is that really needed?

[13:41:52]

citybird:

20 attempts over a year, 3 different tunner cards and 2 different machines

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justinh:

do you think it'd say so if it wasn't?

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justinh:

if it's the first run – and you configured your xmltv grabber, then yeah

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citybird:

definatly not the first tun

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citybird:

run

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justinh:

but if not, you generally don't need to run mythfilldatabase *every* time

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citybird:

that's what i thought but was not sure.

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citybird:

sec gonna try to change the encoder type

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justinh:

btw you won't be able to scan for channels with analogue tuners in 0.22 or indeed in trunk

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antgel:

i wonder if mythtv will ever be installable by normal people. i mean, i consider myself a geek, and i struggle with bits

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justinh:

antgel: it depends

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justinh:

but if you mean Joe MUH who sits outside drinking 6 packs all day.. nah :P

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** mag0o goes back to drinking 6 packs all day **

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citybird:

justinh: changed the card type and i have a list of the channels with freq

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citybird:

gonna try again

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justinh:

good luck. you should get further now anyway

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justinh:

plans are being pondered about now how to automagically detect tuners etc.

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justinh:

which will be nice

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justinh:

I suppose it's a logical assumption to think that mythtv-setup has 'detected' your card

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justinh:

enough people seem to think so

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justinh:

but that's what comes of setting mythtv up without ever having read any docs

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citybird:

OMG picture quality is HORRIBLE but it WORKS!!

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citybird:

THANKYOU

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justinh:

citybird: check the recording profiles for live & default. if you live in a PAL country increase it to 720x576

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justinh:

the default used to be 480x480 which looks *awful*

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citybird:

right

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justinh:

well, not awful but on a par with SVHS

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citybird:

recording profiles is under the frontend right?

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justinh:

or as good as series two Tivo got ;-)

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justinh:

yeah

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citybird:

hehehe

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antgel:

"but that's what comes of setting mythtv up without ever having read any docs" *snort*

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citybird:

i read a lot

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justinh:

antgel: hey package management has made *installing* mythtv a piece of cake

[13:49:29]

citybird:

even printed the manual for mythbuntu 7.10 and put it in a binder

[13:49:41]

citybird:

wish they would update that pdf

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justinh:

yeh there's a lot of it. easy to miss the part where they say to choose the correct type of tuner. I'm assuming they DO say that btw ;)

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citybird:

they do but how would i know what type of tuner i hae

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citybird:

have

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justinh:

antgel: but what use is a click to install app that doesn't force you to read everything you need to know to make it work?

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citybird:

yea

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justinh:

citybird: would they not cite popular examples?

[13:51:08]

citybird:

i learned a lot this week

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justinh:

and again the docs are only ever as good as those who contribute

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citybird:

and i am grateful for the expertise.

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justinh:

np

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citybird:

my bad that manual was updated to 8.10

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citybird:

since the last time i tried installing

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justinh:

automagical setting up is kind of a holy grail though

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justinh:

it'll be a very complex thing to do well

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citybird:

720x576

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justinh:

esp. on linux where device mechanisms seem to change every 5 minutes

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justinh:

citybird: in what way does the picture look crap? grainy?

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justinh:

if it's very grainy then your analogue signal is probably sub-par. split the coax less times, get an amplifier/booster.. yada yada

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antgel:

justinh: installable *and configurable* by normal people. as for packages, everyone knows that Real Myth Users Build From SVN

[13:55:06]

justinh:

antgel: a very very very very long way off

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justinh:

and even longer off the more people sit around talking about it :)

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citybird:

justinh: yes grainy but i cannot find that setting

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antgel:

people talk about it? :O

[13:55:47]

justinh:

citybird: there's no setting to make it less grainy. you need to improve the signal going to the card

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justinh:

citybird: if you have a long cable run, shorten it. it your cable is split many times, try the card closer to the source

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citybird:

justinh: ive changed the h to 720

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citybird:

looks a little better but i think my pc is slow

[14:01:06]

citybird:

now i have to edit the channel list to add the rest of the frequency's

[14:01:24]

citybird:

the list is populated by the grabber so at least i get all the names and icons

[14:01:51]

citybird:

after this i test recording and web interface and hopefully that works too.

[14:02:21]

citybird:

thanks for the help

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citybird:

next on my list is the second machine with a DVB-C card :-P

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Hoxzer:

/win1 1

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justinh:

I'm a PC. nightly reboots were my idea. lol

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Brad-D:

hahah

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Brad-D:

i gotta say though, those are the first Windows commercials i have ever seen, that I thought looked good

[14:50:33]

Brad-D:

they had to do something, they are getting killed by the mac commercials

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justinh:

like they *need* to advertise when their OS comes as *standard*

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justinh:

not that you have much choice but buy a PC if you want a home computer. you need to be rich to afford a Mac damnit

[14:53:53]

justinh:

cheapest generic PC... cheapest laptop/notebook...then look at the cheapest Mac. Oof

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Brad-D:

yeah i totally agree... and apple is just evil

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Brad-D:

with all their proprietary crap, and drm

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Brad-D:

down with Apple!

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justinh:

they need drm. to stop people sharing files – I mean otherwise they'd have to burn a track to CD, then rip it

[15:23:14]

justinh:

see – drm stops piracy!

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justinh:

and the new protection on bluray has stopped people pirating movies & sharing them online in their tracks. it's amazing

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bradd_:

they dont drm music anymore as far as i know

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justinh:

I dunno, I don't buy from itunes anymore

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justinh:

but you totally get how DRM solves piracy right ;-)

[15:26:16]

bradd_:

indeed

[15:26:35]

justinh:

there are literally NO bluray rips doing the rounds on the internets

[15:26:42]

justinh:

it's an awesome job they did there

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Brad-D:

hahaha

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Brad-D:

yeah no drm on music anymore

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justinh:

so I'll take not being able to play discs in linux as a fair cop guv

[15:27:04]

Brad-D:

but they still drm the crap out of videos

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quicksilver:

justinh: the effect is pretty clear

[15:27:15]

justinh:

so long as piracy has been stopped in its tracks

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Brad-D:

the itunes store has tons of content i would love to buy, but the fact that i'm restricted to playing it on itunes and not mythtv is unacceptable

[15:27:24]

quicksilver:

justinh: there's no torrents of copy-protected PC games either

[15:27:37]

RDV_Linux:

justinh: If man can make it he can break it. No scheme will stop hackers.

[15:27:40]

justinh:

see -it totally works!

[15:27:57]

quicksilver:

RDV_Linux: not true! Woman made chuck norris, but no man can break him ;)

[15:28:06]

Brad-D:

rdv: totally.. so i could go pirate all my content, or just do without

[15:28:16]

Brad-D:

neither is a good option

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Brad-D:

haha

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mishehu:

chuck norris only ever lost to one person... CNR

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quicksilver:

clearly the MPAA should start using chuck norris for copy protection.

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Brad-D:

i heard that at nights, the boogieman checks the closet for chuck norris

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Brad-D:

hahaha

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justinh:

oh I dunno. I like the prospect of never having to sit through 2012

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quicksilver:

it's the only way that will work.

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justinh:

I'd use Adam West

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justinh:

maybe I'd better rephrase that...

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_abbenormal:

justinh, we could only be so lucky

[15:33:02]

_abbenormal:

sitting thru 2012 hell on earth

[15:34:38]

_abbenormal:

might be a nice change

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_abbenormal:

we all may need to learn ark building 101

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justinh:

is it as bad as Evan Almighty?

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justinh:

I hate to think how bad straight to video titles are these days :P

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stevieman:

is there a linux TV app that I can use to determine if the video sync issues I am having is myth related or card related?

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justinh:

stevieman: probably more X server & refresh rate related

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justinh:

or not having opengl vsync

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justinh:

or.. you don't say what *kind* of 'sync issues'

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mag0o:

duh! kitchen!

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** justinh cancels tonight's Gavin & Stacey **

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justinh:

whoops. Well I can live with a couple of -waf points

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schaze:

Hi all, I am struggling with MythTV's autoexpire functions. I want all recordings to get deleted if they are older than e.g. 15 days. Is something like that possible? Google did not help so far.

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iamlindoro:

while (stavinAndGacey == false) { WAF--; }

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justinh:

schaze: you got an answer for that already today.

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justinh:

one answer per customer per day. rules are rules

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iamlindoro:

But channel rules clearly state if he doesn't like the answer, he can just ask again in a few seconds

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iamlindoro:

until the answer is to his liking

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schaze:

I did? My Laptop suspended and I was away. I guess IRC did not recognize I was gone :(

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justinh:

hahaha. he quit before he got the answer

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justinh:

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justinh:

[06:17:45] rooaus: schaze: Sure, that is possible you find it in the autoexpire settings. You need to enable the "Autoexpire instead of delete" then set the "Deleted max age". I would also recommend the "expire in deleted order".

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schaze:

@justinh: thanks I will try that out! :)

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justinh:

@me ? you're not on twitter now pal ;-)

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schaze:

justinh: allright allright, enough blame for one day

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schaze:

;)

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iamlindoro:

@asdfjkl;: Just got out of the #mythtv #IRC channel... those guys are dicks! !retweet

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iamlindoro:

whoops, wrong window

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laga:

lol

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justinh:

no! don't read http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/12/02/214723 . . . rm?art_pos=1

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justinh:

muh muh muh, wah wah wah

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stevieman:

justinh: I turned on the openGl sync thing and it didn't fix the problem

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justinh:

talk less vaguely man

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justinh:

what 'sync thing' and what 'problem' ?

[16:58:10]

justinh:

tearing?

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justinh:

audio out of step with video?

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justinh:

que?

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justinh:

throw us a line here

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laga:

it no worky, all sync

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AndyCap:

he get signal

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laga:

someone set us up the tearing

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stevieman:

when I try to watch tv or record tv I get a sync problem, the video shifts all over the place, wraps the screen, I'm looking for the screen shot I took to show whats happening

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laga:

make your timing

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justinh:

ah. Him need rock. Him put rock on ground. Him hit rock with head

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justinh:

stevieman: ah. sounds like you need working drivers for your ATI card

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stevieman:

here we go http://imagebin.ca/view/6fS-14Yi.html and I'm using a PVR-150 card ;)

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justinh:

your ATI *graphics* card

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justinh:

oh no. not this one again

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justinh:

only happens on certain channels. right

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stevieman:

well I thought it was certain channels but it turns out it's most channels

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justinh:

I think it's time to tell your cable provider they suck

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justinh:

or get a new tuner card

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stevieman:

justinh: well I think they know that already, unfortunately they are the only game in town

[17:01:29]

justinh:

thing is, is that just the output or what gets recorded?

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stevieman:

both, it's like that in Live TV and recorded

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justinh:

oh wait I realise now it's a grab from a VNC session

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justinh:

not an offscreen photo :P

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stevieman:

justinh: yes and that's tame compaired to what it looks like on the tv

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justinh:

you sure you've got the right video standard for your signal?

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justinh:

e.g.an NTSC tuner for NTSC signals, etc

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

methinks sad turner ist foobar

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justinh:

heh next time a plugin is killed off somebody should drive the stakes in much harder

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AndyCap:

not dead?

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schaze:

justinh: hm... but that setting "Autoexpire instead of delete" only means that when I delete a recording it get assigned to the Deleted group and then expired after X days. What I want the same behaviour like for LiveTV: just delete everything older X days. Can that be done?

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Dibblah:

Wow. http://www.baconsaltblog.com/2009/04/the-jokes-on-us.html

[17:14:31]

Dibblah:

A company that listens to it's target market.

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clever:

dashs: bacon lube......, make shure she doesnt chomp down on that stuff:P

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clever:

Dagmar: oops

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laga:

lol

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dashs:

Looking for a how-to to catalog my mp3 files for MythMusic --

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justinh:

schaze: there's a max age setting I've seen somewhere

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justinh:

AndyCap: somebody's attempting to wake mythphone. run!

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justinh:

dashs: import music. wait a bit. done

[17:32:32]

justinh:

must be hometime by now

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dashs:

justinh: can't see where that is. Just point out the high-level directory somewhere?

[17:33:05]

justinh:

utils/setup > setup > media settings > music settings

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dashs:

justinh: thanx

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justinh:

muh

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dashs:

justinh: guess I don't understand. I don't want the mp3 moved/copied, only cataloged/accessed by mythmusic --

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justinh:

so point mythmusic to where your music files are, dummy :)

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dashs:

justinh: not if it's read-only, dummy :)

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justinh:

mythmusic doesn't need write access

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justinh:

if you want to change things in files yeah you would..

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justinh:

my frontend doesn't get write access to any media files

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dashs:

justinh: ok, I'm just believing the comment for that entry field which states it must be writable.

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schaze:

justinh: there is but this sets the limit in days before the deleted recordings get autoexpired then.

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schaze:

justinh: (if it'd be that obvious I also wouldn't bug you ;) )

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juugcatm:

Hi all

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justinh:

dashs: you only need write access for mythmusic to be able to change things like tags on the files

[17:51:14]

juugcatm:

I have a system integration question for mythtv people

[17:51:34]

juugcatm:

I want to control an external amplifier in my sound system automatically

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justinh:

dashs: and to import music to the current storage

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juugcatm:

so it turns on when playback starts

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justinh:

juugcatm: you can't do that within mythtv

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juugcatm:

Is there a way that mythtv can issue calls to user scripts on playback start and end?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

not without modifying the code

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justinh:

there's a ticket for that in trac IIRC

[17:52:54]

juugcatm:

Oh, really? Maybe I'll implement it

[17:53:07]

prupert:

if you are using an IR remote, you could try writing a script that is called by irexec from within LIRC

[17:53:17]

justinh:

the ticket has a patch against it. mzb did it

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prupert:

and assign a button on the remote to call the script

[17:53:32]

justinh:

so it's actually functional

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iamlindoro:

Somebody trustworthy is already working on an event system, it would be a bad thing to start work on

[17:53:38]

juugcatm:

Oh, cool

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iamlindoro:

like, a full event system

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justinh:

an event system?

[17:53:52]

iamlindoro:

not just pre/post scripts

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justinh:

be nice if there was a feed of what's going on somewhere

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juugcatm:

iamlindoro: Is there a place to get the current code or help/contribute?

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justinh:

for those not in the inner sanctum

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iamlindoro:

juugcatm: no

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iamlindoro:

I'm being intentionally vague as I know the person in question doesn't want it publicized

[17:55:10]

sphery:

juugcatm: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7257 for a "for now" version before the real version goes in

[17:55:12]

justinh:

anyway the ticket is on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7257

[17:55:12]

iamlindoro:

but it will be comprehensive, and handle the above and much more

[17:55:23]

justinh:

which will get you to where you want to be for now..

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juugcatm:

Cool. I'll look into it

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justinh:

haha beaten to it by sphery

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juugcatm:

Do you guys know of other more system level ways of doing it?

[17:55:40]

sphery:

by 3 seconds :)

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juugcatm:

like using alsa/udev?

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justinh:

juugcatm: monitoring the backend

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sphery:

swatch ?

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justinh:

or maybe monitor upnp events from mythfrontend I dunno

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prupert:

Hi. is it possible to get the latest version of mythrename.pl directly from SVN? I am using v0.21 and don't want to upgrade to v0.22 just yet, but I would like to see if mythrename.pl has been updated? I tried browsing the SVN but couldn't find it there...

[17:56:46]

sphery:

http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/swatch.html + http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4776

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juugcatm:

I was trying to find support for calling user scripts when alsa or udev devices are opened but no luck there

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justinh:

prupert: not wise

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justinh:

not wise at *all*

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sphery:

prupert: it hasn't been updated

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justinh:

mythrename.pl from trunk would be *for* trunk

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juugcatm:

Thanks for the help, all!

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sphery:

it's about to get updated to remove all the renaming functionality :)

[17:57:38]

wagnerrp:

prupert: what are you looking for it to do?

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justinh:

whether it's been changed or not

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juugcatm:

Great suggestions

[17:57:41]

prupert:

ok, but yeah, I can see why it aint wise – new verison messing with old version

[17:57:55]

sphery:

it will only do the --link stuff (and will only rename back to "standard" MythTV filenames )

[17:58:06]

sphery:

I just have to get around to finishing that pathc

[17:58:11]

wagnerrp:

juugcatm: mythfrontend has a telnet socket that you can repeatedly poll for status

[17:58:27]

justinh:

sphery: aww. I quite liked it as the 'irrepairably F*** with your database' script

[17:58:29]

wagnerrp:

if it goes into 'playback' mode, just turn on the amp

[17:58:30]

prupert:

currently, if a program has no subtitle (as in name) it adds "Untitled" to the file name, which is kinda ugly, I wanted it to add either "-" or somethign similiar, or nothing at all

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juugcatm:

wagnerrp: I saw that mentioned but I've never used it. Does it's querying tell the playback state?

[17:58:43]

juugcatm:

its*

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justinh:

juugcatm: it'll even say what's being played, man

[17:59:13]

wagnerrp:

theres three different types of 'playback'

[17:59:18]

wagnerrp:

livetv, recorded, or videos

[17:59:25]

wagnerrp:

but they all start with the word 'Playback'

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prupert:

I had a look at the script, but couldn't find "Untitled" in there, so not sure how it adds it....

[17:59:58]

wagnerrp:

you might want to check out mythremctl.py in contrib for an example

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, but we now have multiple tickets where the proper solution is "don't rename your files"

[18:00:17]

justinh:

if len($subtitle) < 1 $subtitle="Untitled"

[18:00:43]

justinh:

sphery: BAH. mythtv should be smart enough to seek the files I deliberately hide from it!

[18:00:45]

sphery:

prupert: it's in the bindings. I have a "for me only" patch that removes the Untitled default

[18:00:48]

sphery:

I'd be happy to give you one

[18:00:50]

justinh:

it's no fun when it just ****ing WORKS

[18:01:16]

prupert:

sphery: that'd be cool if you could...

[18:01:19]

wagnerrp:

juugcatm: you just type 'query location' into the terminal

[18:01:30]

justinh:

I should go home. building my flexihours back up is boring

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juugcatm:

wagnerrp: thanks. I'll have to fiddle around with that.

[18:03:06]

wagnerrp:

note that there are a number of scenarios that cause 'query location' to not return

[18:03:10]

prupert:

justinh: is that in the mythrename.pl since I just did a search and it aint in mine....how odd (using mythbuntu 9.04, which is based on 0.21 afaik)

[18:03:10]

wagnerrp:

starting playback is one of them

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wagnerrp:

you may want to do something like turn on the amp as soon as someone hits mythvideo/mythmusic/playbackbox

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sphery:

prupert: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1700487 --and pastebin may have corrupted line endings. If the patch doesn't apply, run a dos2unix on it

[18:04:51]

juugcatm:

wagnerrp: my ultimate solution is to hook into ALSA somehow.

[18:05:07]

sphery:

prupert: but basically, just comment out or delete those three lines

[18:05:19]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, mythfrontend is always hooked into alsa

[18:05:21]

juugcatm:

wagnerrp: Like if an ALSA device is opened, turn on the amp. And when it's closed, turn off the amp after a few min.

[18:05:36]

MartinJT:

anyone know of a reason for a mythfrontend process to suddenly start eating ~90% CPU and ~90% memory while setting on the main menu of .22??

[18:05:53]

juugcatm:

wagnerrp: mythfrontend opens the sound device at startup?

[18:06:10]

wagnerrp:

assuming, i really have no idea

[18:06:19]

prupert:

that's awesome, thanks loads sphery

[18:06:24]

wagnerrp:

MartinJT: how much CPU and memory do you have?

[18:06:42]

MartinJT:

2.8gHz p4, 1GB ram

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wagnerrp:

were you recently going through mythvideo on an art-rich theme?

[18:07:43]

MartinJT:

nope... but I do have one there...

[18:07:52]

MartinJT:

just this minute done a restart...

[18:08:17]

wagnerrp:

then mythfrontend should not have more than a couple hundred MB

[18:08:18]

MartinJT:

1462 martin 20 0 196m 76m 27m R 96.4 7.9 2:47.14 mythfrontend.real

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wagnerrp:

it hasnt loaded anything to have more than that

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wagnerrp:

76MB is 90% of your memory?

[18:08:52]

MartinJT:

it's actually low on memory at the moment...

[18:09:03]

MartinJT:

still at 96% cpu though

[18:09:21]

MartinJT:

after a restart it's drop to 7.9% memory...

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juugcatm:

general linux question: Anyone know of a kernel parameter or udev setting that logs the opening of device files?

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MartinJT:

wagnerrp, to be honest it's the CPU that's worrying me the most... is it correct that it should be eating nearly 100% constantly? I don't remember .21 doing that, but then again it didn't have the fancy ui

[18:18:34]

juugcatm:

I have a 1.6 Ghz celeron with 2GB of ram running 0.22 and sitting at the menu and it only uses around 7% cpu and ~20% memory

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MartinJT:

hmmm... when I run a video... the cpu drops to ~10%... then when I stop it, it goes back to ~100%

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sphery:

MartinJT: 100% CPU seems to be mainly an "accounting error" in the way our timers/Qt interacts with the system. Normal would be 0–20% for that CPU. If you change themes, it's probably better (like MythBuntu or Terra).

[18:21:45]

sphery:

i.e. it's basically spinning in a very tight loop for the timers, so the CPU is 100% occupied doing nothing.

[18:21:55]

sphery:

kind of takes the idle loop and puts it in user space :)

[18:22:32]

sphery:

If I could reproduce it, I might be able to fix it.

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MartinJT:

if there's anything I can do....

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MartinJT:

it's not causing a problem to be honest...

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iamlindoro:

You'd be surprised at the number of people who don't care that it doesn't actually cause any performance hit :)

[18:28:01]

MartinJT:

no I wouldn't... i'm a software engineer by trade..

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MartinJT:

well, currently I'm a technical tester, but you get the picture...

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MartinJT:

ok... another one... anyone know of a reason why an avi file will run perfectly fine in VLC, but goes horrendously out of sync in Myth's internal player?

[18:34:43]

MartinJT:

noone?

[18:35:58]

Brad-D:

iamlindoro: if you have to break something out in a different thread for Mythtv, would you use QThread?

[18:36:08]

iamlindoro:

Brad-D: yes

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: Bearing in mind I am locked in a death struggle with QThreads at this very moment, I may not be the person to ask about specifics, though ;)

[18:36:39]

Brad-D:

is there any way to use Qthread without making a seperate class for that code/process? Could i somehow create a thread off a function in my existing mythplugin class?

[18:36:56]

Brad-D:

hahah a death struggle, sounds exciting :)

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: No, not that I am aware, you need to subclass from QThread

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Brad-D:

i got my qthreads code working, i am just wondering if i am writing it really poorly

[18:37:22]

clever:

Brad-D: you could just make your existing class QThread based

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iamlindoro:

Not when he's trying to thread something off the existing class

[18:38:05]

Brad-D:

ok, so that's what i did.. now how would i control the MythUI from this QThreaded subclass? Currently I pass a pointer to my mythplugin object to control it. Does that make sense?

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D: I suppose you could send back signals and then interpret them in the main thread

[18:39:14]

Brad-D:

interesting. that probably would be nicer

[18:39:29]

iamlindoro:

Brad-D: What's the new project after the death of XM?

[18:39:33]

clever:

a slot (connected from the ui thread) would pick up signals fired from outside that thread, aslong as the UI threads event loop is alive, it works:)

[18:40:03]

Brad-D:

iam, clever: thanks guys.. time for me to go do more reading on signals :)

[18:40:20]

trumee:

guys, my cable provider only provides composite output on the stb. I have bought a 3Ghz dual core amd processor. My plan is to use HVR 1110 (no mpeg2 on board) to read in the composite signal. Will i be able to use it in myth?

[18:40:35]

Brad-D:

iamlindoro: well technically i'm still writing code for the mythXM plugin. i'm never going to give it out, due to TOS of XM, but i decided no sense on giving up my learning project, because Syrius is being a tool

[18:41:05]

clever:

Brad-D: interfaces with an XM radio?

[18:41:06]

Brad-D:

trying to use this mythxm plugin to learn enough, that i can eventually volunteer to help gbee with mythmusic

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Brad-D:

clever: yeah, basically interacts with XM radio website, and passes the streams to mplayer (but Syrius recently changed their Terms of Service to pretty specifically outlaw what i'm doing)

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clever:

ah

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clever:

didnt know you could get streams off the site

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Brad-D:

and i'm not creative enough to come up with another learning plugin idea, haha

[18:42:32]

mattwynne:

guys, I want to customize path where mythtv stores files

[18:42:58]

Brad-D:

clever: yes you can. they are nice to listen to at work, or when coding at home :)

[18:42:58]

GreyFoxx:

You do that in mythtv-setup where you define the storage groups

[18:43:00]

trumee:

do i really need a pvr-150 or can a hvr 1110 suffice for analogue recording (thru composite).

[18:43:02]

mattwynne:

/var/lib is on a smaller partition, but I have a huge partition for /home

[18:43:12]

mattwynne:

are there any gotchas?

[18:43:32]

mattwynne:

I ask because I've already tried to get mythvideo and mythmusic to see content from other folders with zero luckj

[18:43:37]

clever:

Brad-D: an extra base station and antena would give the same end result, so i never thought to look on the site

[18:43:40]

mattwynne:

I don't want to break the TV as well :)

[18:44:08]

henrik__:

mattwynne, GreyFoxx answered your question

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clever:

mattwynne: add another storage group in mythtv-setup

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mattwynne:

cool, then restart the backend, right?

[18:44:39]

henrik__:

but make sure mythtv has write access to the directory

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mattwynne:

If I mv the existing folders to the new location, it should just pick it up

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clever:

mattwynne: if you ADD ANOTHER storage group, it can continue to use the old directory

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mattwynne:

right?

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mattwynne:

henrik__ thanks

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mattwynne:

clever aha.

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henrik__:

mattwynne, good luck!

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henrik__:

My mythtv does not get the thumbnails or information of movies that I have in my movie directory. I have tried adding the imdb information in properties of a movie. But it does not do any attemt of downloading the front of the movie nor any other information. Anyone who got any idea. I'm on .22.

[18:46:23]

clever:

Brad-D: ah, looks to be an extra feature you pay 2$/month for

[18:47:28]

Brad-D:

clever: i think the $2 month is an upgrade to get a higher bitrate (not available in canada)

[18:47:44]

Brad-D:

but even if you do pay for that upgrade, they still want you using their website player

[18:47:58]

Brad-D:

so they can hit you with ads, etc.

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clever:

ah, they dont want you playing it in hackable software (which can capture) and not show ad's

[18:48:21]

Brad-D:

in the TOS, they specifically call out, creating a media player interface that interacts with the website, that they didn't create

[18:48:25]

Brad-D:

exactly

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clever:

if you can get the song titles, you could record al that you hear and then just play the loop on shuffle without paying

[18:49:01]

clever:

half the channels on the radio are just reruns of old music

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Brad-D:

yeah, i think people can (And do) do that.. i know the old script that people used for XM with myth, captured song names as well

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clever:

channel 20 is playing the same damn 20 songs in a single loop:P

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Brad-D:

hahaha

[18:50:00]

Brad-D:

yeah channel 20 gets repetitive

[18:50:04]

Brad-D:

but i do like the morning show crew for them

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Brad-D:

they are humourous

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clever:

lol, they recomend using IE or netscape

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Brad-D:

yeah

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Brad-D:

they are clearly out of touch

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Brad-D:

haha

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clever:

does it use activex ? :P

[18:51:52]

bradd_:

the sirius online player does actually if you want to get teh track/artist names

[18:52:36]

Brad-D:

hahaha i love it, it's like i have a clone! ;)

[18:53:53]

Brad-D:

okay iamlindoro, after some thought.. i am seriously put out with you..

[18:54:06]

Brad-D:

when you get that new plugin working, i'm going to have to switch to trunk again

[18:54:09]

Brad-D:

;)

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** iamlindoro pulls Brad-D's shirt over his head and punches him in the gut **

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** iamlindoro steals Brad-D's bike and rides home **

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Brad-D:

haha

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iamlindoro:

A long road ahead of me on the new plugin

[18:55:10]

iamlindoro:

still sooooooooo

[18:55:11]

iamlindoro:

oooooo

[18:55:12]

iamlindoro:

ooooooo

[18:55:14]

iamlindoro:

much to do

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Huijari:

what kind of plugin are you writing?

[18:55:54]

iamlindoro:

The kind that people will like. A lot ;)

[18:56:00]

Huijari:

:D

[18:56:02]

iamlindoro:

(I hope, anyway)

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Brad-D:

hahaha

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Brad-D:

i think so

[18:56:25]

Brad-D:

he writes the opposite of the plugins i write (the ones that people don't like, and won't use)

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure people would use an XM plugin

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iamlindoro:

those with XM anyway

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Brad-D:

yeah.. stupid Syrius! I wonder if i wrote them a letter, if that would change things?

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Brad-D:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Huijari: It's a generic Internet Video plugin. Script extendible and inherits script output format from RSS 2.0. Supports playback of video in a browser or download and playback with the Internal player. Allows viewing of video direct from RSS feeds (like Revision3), searching of sites like Youtube, Hulu, etc., or browsing of entire sites structure within the Myth UI. Downloadable media will be insertable directly in recordings (so

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Huijari:

iamlindoro: got cut after "(so"

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iamlindoro:

more or less a generic framework in which any site could be added with a script

[19:03:01]

Huijari:

but sounds great

[19:03:06]

iamlindoro:

" (so starting a download will buffer, play while downloading, and end up in recordings)."

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Huijari:

if you implement it properly, which i don't doubt 8)

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laga:

Huijari: i just read that "properly" as "poorly" :)

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Huijari:

:D

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benklop:

how do I tell a backend that it is the master?

[19:08:42]

laga:

play that metallica song

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wagnerrp:

the master backend is the one whos IP matches that of the MasterBackendIP in the database

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trumee:

nobody used a software encoder before?

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benklop:

ok, that's the way i'm set up, so why does my backend say "MythBackend: Running as a slave backend." whe I start it

[19:11:18]

benklop:

it then tries to connect to the master backend, which is itself, and succeeds

[19:11:31]

trumee:

wagnerrp, i ordered that 3GHz processor. Thanks for your help yesterday.

[19:11:48]

benklop:

but then later there's some error and the socket times out

[19:11:57]

benklop:

also it says that it adds itself as a slave backend

[19:13:12]

benklop:

here's the log so far: http://pastebin.com/m77320413

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benklop:

I am using the same database from my previous mythtv setup, which for various reasons has been liquidated – except for the drives containing all the recordings, which are now in this neew box

[19:14:35]

benklop:

i'm beginning to be confused and frustrated

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wagnerrp:

benklop: on the master backend, mythtv-setup, first page of first group

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wagnerrp:

those two IPs MUST be identical

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wagnerrp:

and they MUST be IPs

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trumee:

wagnerrp, will that amd chip be able to do software encoding using HVR 1110?

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benklop:

wagnerrp: AAAGH! thank you, I had a typo in my IP

[19:17:14]

MartinJT:

so are there any Myth player experts...

[19:17:18]

sphery:

superm1: Asking for a backtrace is /so/ much easier, now that I don't have to beg for someone to fill in the Ubuntu info. :) Thanks, again.

[19:17:57]

superm1:

sphery, glad it helps :)

[19:18:15]

sphery:

trumee: you probably don't want to do use an analog frame grabber--get a $20 PVR-150 instead and save yourself $200 of trouble

[19:18:22]

wagnerrp:

trumee: if the HVR1110 is supported as a V4L card, sure

[19:18:31]

wagnerrp:

trumee: however sphery++

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benklop:

I can't believe I did that...

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trumee:

sphery, wagnerrp, PVR 150 is expensive, £56 pounds http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Hauppauge-WinT . . . e-%281063%29

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benklop:

couldn't mythtv-setup at least check if the IP its given for the local machine exists? or perhaps actualyl resolves to itself?

[19:20:52]

trumee:

sphery, where can i get a $20 PVR 150?

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iamlindoro:

ebay

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trumee:

all the cards on ebay are NTSC cards. i need a PAL card i think.

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benklop:

trumee: if i hadn't already given mine away I would've sold you my whatever-model-numer-the-dual-tuner-hauppage-card-was for 20

[19:22:41]

sphery:

I don't know the prices in Europe, but figure they can't be much different from US prices.

[19:22:53]

sphery:

benklop: PVR-500 :)

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trumee:

sphery, does it matter whether the card is NTSC or PAL. The composite feed will be PAL.

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benklop:

sphery: thx :)

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benklop:

trumee: i THINK it only matters that you know what the card's tuner's standard is... i'm pretty sure any card can decode any video type – especially from composite

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sphery:

trumee: I'm not willing to make that guess. I'd check with an ivtv person.

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benklop:

at least my IVTV card was perfectly willing to try and decode the video I sent it as pal

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benklop:

or secam for that matter

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benklop:

it wouldn't succeed since it wasnt actualyl pal, and i hadn't got anything pal to send it, but i always thought it would just work

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trumee:

benklop, most cards on ebay are from US, which definitely have NTSC tuners. So if i feed a PAL composite signal, it will work?

[19:25:28]

sphery:

benklop: looks like Hauppauge EU has the PVR-250 PAL BG for 26.80EUR

[19:25:33]

sphery:

http://www.hauppauge.eu/boutique_us/fiche_pro . . . us&num=0

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benklop:

trumee: gien that composite input doesn't use the tuner, i would think so

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benklop:

*given

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benklop:

the tuner is only important for tuning :) When i got my pvr-500, the tuner wasn't supported yet and I could still use the coposite input

[19:27:45]

benklop:

still, all ntsc, but.. i'll leave you to draw conclusions from my experiences

[19:28:18]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, the PVR-150 should work fine for PAL as long as you are using the composite/s-video input. It's got a cx25840.

[19:28:51]

trumee:

sphery, i think India supports Pal-B, will that european tuner work with it?

[19:29:00]

devinheitmueller:

And if it doesn't for some reason, send some mail to linux-media, since it's a bug.

[19:29:09]

trumee:

sphery, it is a very nice price though.

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** xris does the happy-new-hard-drives-for-the-mythbox dance **

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trumee:

hang-on, if i buy the tuner in uk (which uses Pal I), will it not work in India which uses Pal-B?

[19:32:20]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: depends on the tuner. Some will and others won't.

[19:32:41]

devinheitmueller:

PAL-B uses a 7MHz channel and PAL-I uses 8Mhz.

[19:32:45]

trumee:

devinheitmueller, what do you mean. is pvr 150 tuner not a standard product.

[19:33:30]

devinheitmueller:

There are different versions of the PVR-150, localized for different regions. I don't know specifically if all of the PAL variants of the PVR-150 are done with a single card.

[19:33:31]

trumee:

devinheitmueller, my intentions are to use PVR-150 in india only. This tuner http://www.hauppauge.eu/boutique_us/fiche_pro . . . us&num=0 is fpr Pal BG, will it work for Pal-B?

[19:33:57]

Dagmar:

Probably not

[19:34:03]

Dagmar:

Never assume that anything will work

[19:34:06]

Dagmar:

Always look it up

[19:34:26]

devinheitmueller:

Since the PVR-150 still uses a canned tuner, it's entirely possible (in fact likely) that the PAL-B version is a different card than the PAL-I version.

[19:34:34]

devinheitmueller:

Not all PAL is created equal...

[19:34:52]

iamlindoro:

henrik__: Are you actually *running* a search for them?

[19:35:05]

iamlindoro:

Or just modifying the IMDb number and assuming it will be automated?

[19:35:19]

devinheitmueller:

This is less of an issue with more modern tuners, since most newer tuners use both a multistandard video decoder and multistandard tuner.

[19:35:51]

Dagmar:

Either way, the thing to do is read Hauppauge's documentation (such that it is) on that card to find out if it'll work in your region.

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henrik__:

sorry!

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devinheitmueller:

You should look at the product description and look for the product specifically saying that it supports both PAL-B and PAL-I.

[19:36:25]

henrik__:

I pressed w in the mythvideo

[19:36:33]

henrik__:

and it did search but did not find anything.

[19:36:36]

iamlindoro:

henrik__: Example film title?

[19:36:48]

iamlindoro:

and I mean exactly what the filename and title in MythVideo appears as

[19:36:49]

henrik__:

Alvin and the chipmunks

[19:36:52]

henrik__:

okej w8

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iamlindoro:

0952640:Alvin and the Chipmunks (2007)

[19:37:27]

iamlindoro:

//usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Movie/tmdb.pl -M "Alvin and the chipmunks"

[19:37:33]

iamlindoro:

Search worked fine here

[19:37:39]

trumee:

devinheitmueller, in that case there is no reason to buy £56 tuner from UK. I should buy the Pal-BG tuner, atleast it has a 'B' in it. I assume the composite input would work fine with a Pal-B input (if the tuner is not involved)

[19:37:49]

iamlindoro:

So sounds like you have filenames which don't match the movie title

[19:37:59]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: yes.

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Dagmar:

trumee: Assume whatever you want

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trumee:

Dagmar, :)

[19:38:48]

henrik__:

but would it be possible to get a number and then enter it and have it searched? the problem I got is that my native language is Swedish, my kids have difficulties with english, So I want the title to be in swedish

[19:39:13]

Dagmar:

...notably don't come crying here if it turns out that "BG" is materially different from "G" and you were too lazy to be certain

[19:39:22]

henrik__:

and if I search for the swedish name on imdb it will find the correct

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iamlindoro:

henrik__: We don't search IMDB

[19:39:51]

henrik__:

okej what is the service mythvide uses?

[19:39:57]

henrik__:

mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

so the search will need to be by english title, or you should be able to enter the above number and then run a search with W

[19:40:03]

iamlindoro:

Themoviedb.org

[19:40:16]

henrik__:

thank you!

[19:40:16]

iamlindoro:

which as I showed you above finds alvin and the chipmunks fine

[19:40:24]

iamlindoro:

0952640:Alvin and the Chipmunks (2007)

[19:40:38]

henrik__:

perfect! that means that the 09.... is the number to enter on that movie.

[19:40:40]

Dagmar:

i.e., at LEAST check Wikipedia to make sure there's no actual "PAL-BG" standard

[19:40:45]

henrik__:

and it should find the information

[19:40:50]

iamlindoro:

yes

[19:42:22]

devinheitmueller:

PAL-BG actually is PAL-B/G. It means PAL-B for VHF and PAL-G for UHF (with corresponding channel bandwidths)

[19:44:32]

trumee:

devinheitmueller, so it does support indian tv (Pal B) then?

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devinheitmueller:

A tuner that is PAL-B/G *should* work for PAL-B only, but don't quote me on that or ask for a refund if it doesn't work for you. ;-)

[19:46:32]

Dagmar:

Dingdingding

[19:46:37]

Dagmar:

There's the real deal

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, ok is PVR 250 is as good as PVR 150?

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Dagmar:

Since none of us are in India or wnayplace that uses B or G we can't be sure the card will work--asking us is useless

[19:47:24]

Dagmar:

trumee: No. The 250 is obsolete and it says so on the wiki

[19:47:30]

devinheitmueller:

Well, the PVR-250 uses a different decoder (the saa7115 if I recall), which should also work, but again don't quote me on that.

[19:47:34]

Dagmar:

It's VERY obsolete

[19:47:49]

trumee:

Dagmar, so it will not work in mythtv?

[19:47:56]

Dagmar:

It will work, it's just obsolete

[19:48:01]

devinheitmueller:

It is obsolete, but still a pretty good card. The PVR-150 came out as a cost-reduction.

[19:48:11]

Dagmar:

You are unlikely to find one thhat is not exceptionally odl.

[19:48:22]

Dagmar:

s/odl/old/; You will definitely not find one "new" at this point

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trumee:

Dagmar, there is one here http://www.hauppauge.eu/boutique_us/fiche_pro . . . us&num=0

[19:51:29]

devinheitmueller:

Looks like they had a few still kicking around they are trying to offload.

[19:52:10]

Dagmar:

trumee: If you're fishing for me to look at that URL and say yea or nay, or even care, you're sadly mistaken

[19:53:06]

trumee:

So what does obsolete mean? Is it no longer supported by ivtv?

[19:53:15]

skd5aner:

Dagmar: I've got 3 PVR-250s from 2004, while they may be obsolete from the vendor's perspective, they're actually really good, dependable tuners that would GREAT with IVTV and myth

[19:53:18]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[19:53:33]

Dagmar:

It's not a made up word

[19:53:42]

Dagmar:

It's in dictionaries literally all over the internets.

[19:54:00]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: obsolete basically means that the vendor is now selling a newer product in its place.

[19:54:15]

Dagmar:

It has BEEN SUPERCEDED BY A NEWER AND THEORETICALLY MORE EFFICIENT MODEL

[19:54:25]

devinheitmueller:

The PVR-250s you see on Hauppauge's website is an attempt for them to clear out some old inventory.

[19:54:38]

Dagmar:

My statement in no way bears on whether or not the cards will work correctly or not

[19:54:57]

skd5aner:

dagmar: superceding with a newer model doesn't mean better, or even more efficient

[19:55:14]

Dagmar:

So how about you read what I wrote one more time

[19:55:21]

Dagmar:

...instead of trying to argue with it

[19:55:30]

skd5aner:

just sayin

[19:55:44]

Dagmar:

Yes, and you're apparently having an argument with someone else

[19:55:46]

trumee:

ok, i dont really care what hauppauge latest card is. What i do care about is the driver support in linux and whether the tuner/composite work well in linux. As long as it works i am happy with it.

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skd5aner:

trumee: it is supported by IVTV and myth

[19:56:17]

Dagmar:

In this case the 150 is probably more than just theoretically more efficient since they said up front it costs them less to make the 150

[19:56:21]

skd5aner:

if you find one, it'll most likely be used/old, but oh well

[19:56:40]

skd5aner:

dagmar: correct, it's cost effiencient

[19:56:50]

Dagmar:

So why the hell are you trying to argue then?

[19:56:52]

skd5aner:

to produce

[19:56:53]

trumee:

skd5aner, does the composite input works well too. Also, i have been reading about this dma issue, is there a work around for it?

[19:57:01]

devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: most people who have compared the quality of the 150 versus the 250 have found that the 250 had superior quality. The 150 was just cheaper to build and had the same set of core features.

[19:57:25]

devinheitmueller:

.... hence an untrained eye is unlikely to see a difference...

[19:57:33]

skd5aner:

Just because it's cost effective to produce doesn't mean more efficient, there was a lot of reports of the 150 having a cheaper (read, crapier) tuner than the 25

[19:57:34]

skd5aner:

250

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devinheitmueller:

http://capnbry.net/~bmayland/fi/pvr150/

[19:57:52]

skd5aner:

sometimes you get what you pay for – cheaper to make, cheaper to buy, not as good of a product

[19:57:59]

devinheitmueller:

...Somebody actually took the time to do a formal comparison.

[19:58:11]

** AndyCap thinks ignorance is bliss when it comes to tv quality. :) **

[19:58:17]

Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: Having not had an opportunity to test them myself, or hear of anyone whose ability to gauge the quality of hardware correctly having done so, I'm going to go with "It's too easy to make a decent tuner card that I'll readily believe the 250 is in any way 'better'"

[19:58:39]

Dagmar:

There's only about 4 jillion idiots posting about hardware on the internets last time I checked

[19:58:55]

Dagmar:

...all of them convinced of insane things like their PCChips board is great

[19:59:30]

devinheitmueller:

I have slightly more experience in these manners than many idiots on the Internet, but I don't disagree with your premise.

[19:59:38]

skd5aner:

nor do I

[20:01:36]

skd5aner:

But, I think his question was if the 250 was as good as the 150, and I would think a lot of people would say yes – regardless if it's current gen or not

[20:02:07]

skd5aner:

back to my point – obsolete doesn't mean that the newer model is better or worse

[20:03:13]

skd5aner:

however – I would assume that there have probably been more 150's shipped, since they emerged around the time Windows Media Center rolled out

[20:03:34]

skd5aner:

and they still make them TTBOMK

[20:03:57]

AndyCap:

aren't PVR-150 and 500 eol too?

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[20:04:04]

AndyCap:

due to not being digital

[20:04:13]

devinheitmueller:

In the United States, yes.

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wagnerrp:

only in the US

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ok. :)

[20:04:25]

skd5aner:

I think I recall reading the Hauppauge was asked to stop making them prior to the transition by the FCC

[20:04:40]

wagnerrp:

you can still buy them retail in canada

[20:04:52]

AndyCap:

can't say I've checked for them here lately, more concerned about a decent DVB-C card. :P

[20:05:29]

devinheitmueller:

According to Wikipedia, "By March 1, 2007 all televisions regardless of screen size, and all interface devices which include a tuner (VCR, DVD player/recorder, DVR) must include a built-in ATSC DTV tuner."

[20:05:39]

devinheitmueller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_tuner#Unite . . . ent_mandates

[20:05:57]

skd5aner:

was that rule applied to "non tv-integrated" tuners?

[20:06:04]

araldit:

anyone have a good idea to how to best sort my channels list

[20:06:10]

AndyCap:

decent as in, has drivers in the kernel or with prospects of getting in, doesn't crash with the drivers, and is pci or pci-e. :)

[20:06:17]

Dagmar:

Sort by color

[20:06:17]

skd5aner:

my bad- should have read it more clearly – yes it does

[20:06:19]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: 'all interface devices which include a tuner'

[20:06:39]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yup, shame on me for glancing :)

[20:06:47]

araldit:

#Dagmar ?

[20:06:57]

AndyCap:

araldit: fiddle the channel numbers in mythweb settings/tv?

[20:06:59]

Dagmar:

By the name of it that's actually just the video for the 12" they released

[20:07:01]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

[20:08:03]

araldit:

<AndyCap> ok, will they stay sorted, even if I make a new scan?

[20:08:26]

skd5aner:

still love my PVR-500 and 250s, so long as I still get analog channels, but I've got 4 physical ATSC/QAM tuners now, so those have become my primary

[20:08:34]

skd5aner:

HD-PVR fills in the rest )

[20:09:31]

AndyCap:

araldit: that I'm not certain of. Deleted all my channels at last scan.

[20:10:31]

araldit:

<AndyCap> I think I have 100 different channels, I really dont want to rearrange them more than once. Thats my main concern

[20:12:09]

araldit:

There should be a way of exporting the list to load into a spreadsheet from the webinterface. Ofc. also an option to import the spreadsheet list back again

[20:12:39]

devinheitmueller:

araldit: patches are always welcome. ;-)

[20:12:58]

iamlindoro:

There should be ponies

[20:13:02]

iamlindoro:

and hookers.

[20:13:11]

iamlindoro:

But don't get the wrong idea, I mean clean girls. High class ones.

[20:13:12]

Dagmar:

OMG PWNIES

[20:13:14]

devinheitmueller:

OMG Ponies!

[20:13:20]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: and blow?

[20:13:28]

highzeth:

araldit: the channel #'s will survive a new scan. Best thing to do is only scan the transponders with the channel(s) that need an update. If not you will get lotsa "dupes" channel wise.

[20:13:52]

Dagmar:

Yay I love being close to a "hi-pot test" of a transformer about twice the size of a fridge

[20:14:12]

Dagmar:

"...and if the test fails?" "Oh it won't fail..."

[20:14:23]

Dagmar:

"Well, YOU are going to be standing right here next to me then."

[20:14:26]

wagnerrp:

then why bother testing?

[20:15:13]

skd5aner:

yea – gotta know the limits ;)

[20:15:46]

araldit:

When I do a scan for channels with myth 0.22 and my hvr-4000 card, it doesn't find any of my HD Channels. Only HD channels from DVB-T. How can this be?

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AndyCap:

araldit: they're encrypted and you're scanning for clear channels only?

[20:17:20]

araldit:

AndyCap> No, All my channels are encrypted. Uses sasc-ng and cccam for the decryption. That seems to work though

[20:21:03]

araldit:

I have tried set the transponder frequency and sr as descriebed in lyngsat.com but the transponder with the HD channels wont lock

[20:22:16]

trumee:

Dagmar, ugghh! just realised that you showed me the hauppauge deal and i was asking you to view the link :). Ok, i have bought that card now. Thanks for showing me that.

[20:23:34]

araldit:

<highzeth> Super. Then I will use the webinterface.

[20:27:30]

Dagmar:

trumee: There's a point at which you have to bite the bullet and make a determination for yourself instead of asking other people "is this what I want?" repeatedly

[20:27:36]

Dagmar:

You have to _know_ _yourself_

[20:27:46]

highzeth:

araldit: yeah, the webui is by far the most convenient way to mass edit

[20:28:10]

araldit:

takker

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AndyCap:

araldit: or if you're really daring, try connecting a spreadsheet to the mysql channels table, but if you break anything you get to keep the pieces. :P

[20:28:52]

trumee:

Dagmar, Biting the bullet mean spending hard earned money on something which might not work. it is better to ask more experienced people if they have any idea about it.

[20:29:50]

Dagmar:

Except we aren't likely to

[20:30:10]

Dagmar:

Unless we're in your same region and already bought that, you've got the same info we do--what you're seeing on the web

[20:30:15]

araldit:

<AndyCap> that would work I guess, but I wont ;-)

[20:30:26]

Dagmar:

You're in a better position to know than we are

[20:31:18]

araldit:

<trumee> What are you buying?

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trumee:

araldit, old story. just bought a wintv pvr 250.

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araldit:

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Dagmar:

<araldit> why are you misquoting people

[20:33:26]

Dagmar:

<araldit> don't get fancy and put angle brackets around names when you replay. That's going to make people think you're quoting them, dig?

[20:33:32]

Dagmar:

araldit: Use a colon.

[20:33:40]

araldit:

Dagmar: Ok

[20:34:12]

araldit:

Dagmar: I use the XChat IRC and it puts the bracket automatically

[20:34:53]

wagnerrp:

no, xchat puts in the brackes if you copy and paste their name from the log

[20:34:53]

Dagmar:

Not by default it doesn't

[20:35:02]

wagnerrp:

assuming that youre copying their actual text

[20:35:16]

wagnerrp:

if you start typing their name and use tab completion, it uses a comma

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araldit:

I just highligt the name, then ctrl+v then it quotes, apparently

[20:35:44]

araldit:

Hey it does tab completion!!

[20:35:46]

araldit:

thx

[20:35:54]

wagnerrp:

yes, as i said, when you are highlighting their name in the chat log

[20:36:02]

wagnerrp:

it assumes you are highlighting text as well

[20:36:15]

wagnerrp:

so it puts braces around under the expectation that you are quoting them

[20:36:29]

trumee:

is there an easy way to pick names in konversation?

[20:37:57]

AndyCap:

Is there any irc client that doesn't have tab completion these days?

[20:39:43]

araldit:

AndyCap, the Tabcompletion in XChat could be better.. When I write And and tab it says andreax. But thats another stor.. :)

[20:40:42]

wagnerrp:

the only way it could be better would be to run in chronological order, based off the last person to speak

[20:40:52]

wagnerrp:

but then people would complain about it not being alphabetical

[20:41:30]

araldit:

wagnerrp, Yeah, thats a good idea. I was thinking of pressing multiple times, like when im in a linux terminal.

[20:41:51]

wagnerrp:

you can press it multiple times, and it cycles through

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highzeth:

araldit: you can continue to hit tab you know..

[20:43:13]

araldit:

highzeth, LOL. Look at that. Its perfect

[20:44:31]

araldit:

anyway anyone using a HVR-4000 tv-card?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: heh, that gets really annoying when you have multiple people with similar nicks talking

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iamlindoro:

Maybe not, but the audio sync isn't myth's fault, it's the STBs

[21:04:15]

iamlindoro:

Dish network has known issues with the HD-PVR

[21:04:23]

iamlindoro:

particularly referring to audio sync

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antgel:

araldit: you need to post the problem that you're having

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araldit:

antgel, Well I have. But i cant seem to succeed scanning for dvb-s2 channels with my hvr-4000 card

[21:15:27]

araldit:

antgel, it just wont lock to the transponder

[21:16:01]

araldit:

antgel, all the normal SD channels work just fine, as well as the HD channels on DVB-t works

[21:17:01]

antgel:

araldit: i have no idea, just pointing out that usually asking if "anyone does x" doesn't get far. good luck

[21:17:42]

araldit:

antgel, thx. I'll need it

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antgel:

araldit: actually, now i think about it, i'm using a happauge dvb-s2 card, which i believe is similar to the hvr4000 :D

[21:22:45]

araldit:

antgel, And does it work with dvb-s2 channels?

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justinh:

as long as you have mythtv 0.22

[21:23:09]

antgel:

but sadly i'm not actually using dvb-s2, nothing available here yet afaik

[21:23:14]

justinh:

previous versions don't support dvb-s2

[21:23:34]

justinh:

and it *always* pays to test outside mythtv *first*

[21:23:39]

antgel:

araldit: but ISTR that you need to set a compile flag for it when building myth – did you do so?

[21:23:53]

araldit:

justinh, I am using myth-022

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araldit:

antgel, I am using avenards repo

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justinh:

0.22

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araldit:

justinh, y

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antgel:

araldit: here's a clue. proper english will not infuriate others and hence will benefit you

[21:25:24]

araldit:

antgel, do you know if there is a way to see which flags is set at compile time?

[21:25:31]

laga:

u lol guys srlsy?

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justinh:

I can haz ess too in miffteevees?

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antgel:

araldit: best to find out if it was built with dvb-s2 then, before you bang your head against the wall. ISTR something about DVB-S2 settings in the channel scanner. also, what justinh said – try it with other dvb utilities

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antgel:

araldit: mythbackend --version

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araldit:

antgel, Its properly a good idea. I will try that.

[21:27:47]

antgel:

look at me offering advice. see, spend long enough with mythtv, and *you too* will know more than any sane person would want to know about it

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justinh:

antgel: be a long, LONG time before you're as bitter as me though :P

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araldit:

antgel, A second question, do you have a seperate backend, and if so, how long does a channelchange take in seconds. I think my zaptime is about 5 sec. And I think thats a bit much

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antgel:

justinh: i'd like to agree, but really i just keep the bitterness bottled up inside. i'm not a myth newbie, by the way, but 0.22 makes me feel like one

[21:30:08]

justinh:

so many eager testers, few contributed to the docs

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antgel:

araldit: i have two machines, each has a front and backend on it. i don't think 5 seconds is too bad, it's buffering the stream. think this is documented *somewhere*

[21:30:49]

justinh:

understand their lack of motivation though – so few people read em ;-)

[21:31:15]

justinh:

mythtv isn't best suited to people who braindeadedly 'zap' IMHO

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antgel:

justinh: well before you give me the guilts, it's just a matter of not having the time to contribute. however, when my project is finished, i'll look to filter my copious notes into the docs

[21:31:44]

justinh:

antgel: I only give non-readers the guilts. never works though

[21:32:08]

antgel:

what annoys me most about the docs is the obsolete info. better imo to have nothing than obsolete info. yes, i know patches are welcome

[21:32:29]

antgel:

justinh: if they were the type to get the guilts, they'd be the type to have read them in the first place

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justinh:

nuke a lot of the wiki, or just lock it

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araldit:

antgel, k. Think it should be optimized.

[21:33:01]

antgel:

i mean, there are bits going on about "0.19 does this and that" etc etc

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antgel:

also, the HOWTO should be integrated into the wiki

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wagnerrp:

the wiki IS ths howto

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antgel:

so what's http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html

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wagnerrp:

thats just named wrong

[21:38:04]

antgel:

silly me

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, install docs are not a howto

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wagnerrp:

a howto should be step by step of one particular piece, or on one particular distro

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antgel:

whatever it is, it should be integrated into the wiki

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justinh:

whatever it is, *users* can do it all

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antgel:

justinh: i've done my bit anyway! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Antgel

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justinh:

instead of sitting in here ****ing whining about it :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the fact that there are official install docs, and official wiki install docs, is a bit odd

[21:40:05]

wagnerrp:

best to put the whole thing on the wiki, and police it for users adding wrong info

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antgel:

wagnerrp: *nod*

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antgel:

there must be an awful lot of duplicated info

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justinh:

when was the last time anybody in the know checked the html docs?

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antgel:

imo – things like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Reset_MySQL_root_Password should be nuked. there's too much in the wiki that's not related to myth. would i get reverted for nuking said page? :D

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justinh:

it's handy stuff to know

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antgel:

it may well be, but come on, the page is shizzle

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antgel:

and it's easily searchable on the intarweb

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wagnerrp:

well this channel is plain example of how difficult that can be

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antgel:

ooh look, a feisty scrap at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_w32codecs

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justinh:

sick of all the 1st person references in the wiki too

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justinh:

you should, you need to.. grrr

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wagnerrp:

half of sphery's time spent in here helping people is done quoting gossamer threads

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antgel:

see, that's the thing. i'd happily trim some of the wiki, it's easier to trim than to add content. but what are the chances of being reverted?

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justinh:

depends who notices

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wagnerrp:

depends on if your reason is sufficiently good

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wagnerrp:

if you do mark for deletion, someone reverts it, an admin may go ahead and nuke it anyway

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antgel:

BE BOLD!

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antgel:

er, how do i delete a page from the wiki?

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wagnerrp:

you cant, only admins can

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wagnerrp:

just tag it '{{ready for deletion}}'

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wagnerrp:

make sure nothing remains linking to it

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justinh:

ugh grocers apostrophes. my biggest pet hate

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antgel:

wagnerrp: nothing linked to it anyway, a good pointer as to how useful the page is ;)

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wagnerrp:

?

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antgel:

wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_w32codecs. nothing links to it

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wagnerrp:

antgel: not to mention it being completely worthless for the purposes of mythtv

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antgel:

so i tagged that page. now admins automagically get it flagged for approval?

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antgel:

wagnerrp: yeeeeesssssss. *rubs chin*

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wagnerrp:

no, someone just trawls it maybe once a week looking for those things

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justinh:

who has wmv & wma files anyway? :-O

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justinh:

apart from the mentally disadvantaged I mean

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justinh:

speaking of which.. I need to leave #linuxtv

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dustybin:

*mentally challenged

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justinh:

trust you

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ivor:

is that the same as 'tarded?

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justinh:

could be. prolly as un-PC

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justinh:

meh. subscribed to the linuxtv dev list to send my patch & I'm being deluged

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antgel:

wow, so much outdated ubuntu info on the wiki. i'm going to have a field day

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** antgel wields scissors **

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devinheitmueller:

mail filters are your friends...

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antgel:

HOW MANY PAGES ON BUILDING LIRC DO WE NEED

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: I'm only interested in my patch being taken, I don't care for reading about putting remote stuff in the kernel

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justinh:

it's only a scan conf file hack anyway :)

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: I am pretty sure that you don't need to be subscribed to linux-media in order to post.

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justinh:

only to read the archive? LOL

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devinheitmueller:

No, you don't need a subscription to read the archive: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-media

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mattwynne:

guys any clues why my mythtvideo scan gives me nothing?

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wagnerrp:

you have either set up storage groups, or the proper folder settings in the frontend setup?

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justinh:

s/either/neither/

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mattwynne:

I've tried both

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mattwynne:

but I'm focussing on storage groups for now

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mattwynne:

seems to have defaulted to /var/lib/mythtv/videos so I've just tried putting file or two in there

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mattwynne:

but no joy

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mattwynne:

chown'ed the files to mythtv:mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you set up the storage groups in mythtv-setup? restarted mythbackend on that host? went into mythfrontend, in mythvideo, and scanned?

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mattwynne:

the storage groups were always there, I think maybe since I installed the mythvideo plugin packages

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mattwynne:

I've not messed with them

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wagnerrp:

but you have to add a folder to them

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wagnerrp:

they dont come with one by default

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mattwynne:

?

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mattwynne:

I'm pretty sure they were pointing at /var/lib/mythtv/foo

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wagnerrp:

well then thats something your distro does

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mattwynne:

is there a log I can look at from the scan?

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mattwynne:

THEY JUST APPEARED!

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mattwynne:

how long does the scan take?!

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre not running an old development version of 0.22, they appear immediately

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mattwynne:

that's pretty wierd

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mattwynne:

it just sat there for about 3 minutes and then suddenly the files were there

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mattwynne:

I assume the pixies fixed it

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mattwynne:

thanks for humouring me wagnerrp :)

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mattwynne:

by the way justinh, I unplugged my booster and TV reception is flawless. who'd have thought it?! thanks for the tip.

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wagnerrp:

overamped? or poor quality amp?

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mattwynne:

dunno, my guess is over-amped noise

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mattwynne:

when we were using a set-top box, I'm sure I needed the amp to get any reception at all

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, alot of people used an amp for analog reception, and didn't realize that with digital they can overdrive the demod.

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gbee:

anyone else think that the quality of Five (UK) is at an all time low (picture, not content)? Recording the film atm, checked to see that it started on time buy it's such a mess that I wonder why I bothered

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antgel:

i've been busy, let's see how much gets reverted *crosses fingers*. i'm making a committment to improve the wiki, nothing massive but bits here and there when i can

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gizmobay:

My IR blaster is too unreliable on changing channels. I'm using a SA 3250 non-HD so I don't have firewire to use. Anyone using this STB?

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skd5aner:

gizmobay: I'm using it, but with firewire to change channels – sorry

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skd5aner:

3250HD

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Led-Hed:

Is there a way to re-sort the Program Guide? I've scanned for channels, and would like them to be in numerical order

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Led-Hed:

Right now the scanned channels are coming up in this format 71#1, but I'm changing the channel number to "13 HD". The problem is that "13 HD" doesnt show up right after channel "13"

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Led-Hed:

If I have the XMLTV_ID, does the Channel Callsign matter with respect to Guide data?

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antgel:

Led-Hed: i believe the callsign is just a short identifier

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antgel:

er, hence no

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Led-Hed:

ok thanks.

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Led-Hed:

maybe I'll just adjust the call sign to suite my needs.

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gizmobay:

thanks skd5aner, I may have to live with it

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gizmobay:

I wonder if nice would help

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sphery:

Led-Hed: callsign is scheduling (this channel rules) and xmltvid is listings filling

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Led-Hed:

sphery, so if I change the callsigns then it will screw up my currently scheduled recordings?

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sphery:

Led-Hed: only if you used "this channel" rules

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sphery:

if you used any channel rules all is good

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Led-Hed:

I use that a lot

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sphery:

(any channel rules rule)

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Led-Hed:

thanks for the info

[23:47:47]

Dagmar:

This channel rocks

[23:48:00]

sphery:

if you used "this channel", you have to fix every rule after changing callsigns

[23:48:07]

Led-Hed:

I use it to separate between HD and SD programming

[23:48:34]

sphery:

to fix rules, change the rule to any channel

[23:48:37]

sphery:

(then stop if you like)

[23:48:43]

Led-Hed:

sphery, ya, thats a lot of work. I dont think I'm gonna change the call signs

[23:49:09]

sphery:

or if you must, find episodes matching this rule, then select an episode on the right channel, then change to "this channel"

[23:50:02]

Led-Hed:

problem with any channel is that "The Office" reruns will get recorded on USA and NBC

[23:50:50]

Led-Hed:

Is there a way to show the Chan# and Chan Name in the Program Guide, instead of Chan# & Callsign?

[23:53:34]

sphery:

Led-Hed: not if you tell it not to record re-runs

[23:53:48]

sphery:

new episodes only or exclude repeats

[23:54:07]

Led-Hed:

sphery, I havent had much luck with that setting

[23:54:24]

Led-Hed:

I still get a lot of reruns

[23:54:28]

sphery:

don't know about EPG--I know it's still very much hard-coded, and awaiting additional mythui-ification

[23:54:57]

sphery:

then there's always the best way--tell myth to never record the episodes you don't want

[23:55:14]

Led-Hed:

Would be nice, but I can live with the call signs, most HD callsigns have either HD or DT at the end

[23:55:28]

sphery:

once every 2 weeks go through MythWeb's Upcoming Recordings and click Never Record on the ones you don't want (and if you use middle-click/ctrl-click, you don't lose your place)

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** sphery wonders how so many users have missing recording files **

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