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| [00:34:48] | xris: | yay, TMS just completely replaced all of their comcast lineups in Seattle — if you're an SD member, you will want to go check and recreate your lineup (they don't have a way to alert us when they do this — I just happened to notice) |
| [00:35:12] | tommyboy: | Hi, if i have a hd homerun connected to the same ariel through a splitter/booster and when i scan it says there a 11 off air channels what does that mean? |
| [00:35:49] | wagnerrp: | 11 channels broadcasting no data |
| [00:35:54] | tommyboy: | thats when i scan tuner 0 and then follow with tuner 1 |
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| [00:36:08] | wagnerrp: | as if you scanned very late at night, and those channels are not providing any programming at that time |
| [00:36:40] | tommyboy: | that might be it as it is late and i know uk channels are on and off at time of the day |
| [00:37:17] | tommyboy: | So is it better to just say ignore and accumilate more chanels at different times to make sure i have all of them listed? |
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| [00:44:12] | jblack: | I can lock onto a variety of things that are missing something... tables I think. I'm not missing any channels though. |
| [00:44:40] | jblack: | my bet is Illuminati Invasion Broadcast TV |
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| [00:46:47] | wagnerrp: | why would they have to invade? |
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| [00:50:18] | jblack: | wagnerrp: uh, well... |
| [00:50:54] | jblack: | It would be a fake invasion, to cover herd thinning! |
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| [00:54:14] | jblack: | I have seen proof. A lot of the street signs in these towns have a black&white striped stickers on the street signs. |
| [00:54:30] | jblack: | Clearly those represent markets for an invading UN force. |
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| [00:55:26] | wagnerrp: | i mean.. theyre not already in control? |
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| [00:55:57] | jblack: | I understood your most valid point. =) |
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| [00:58:45] | jblack: | They have to work behind the scenes. For example, look at anal probing aliens.... if they they just anal probed people in public at the mall, there would be mass hysteria. That's why they prey on lonely people with mental illness that forgot to pick up extra tin-foil at the store. |
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| [01:33:12] | secross: | Hello, mythbackend is up on a 15' tower and i need to turn the atsc antenna, but want to use pc speaker for signal tone... |
| [01:33:50] | terinjokes: | secross: climb the 15' tower? |
| [01:35:51] | secross: | currently i am using something like: femon -H | awk -F"," '{match($1,"signal"); print(substr($1,(RSTART+8),2))}' but cannot figure out the rest. |
| [01:37:52] | secross: | i want to use femon and pipe it out to beep, using a varible tone, has anybody tried this? |
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| [01:40:08] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:40:18] | jblack: | There must be a tone generator |
| [01:41:08] | jblack: | aptitude show beep |
| [01:41:43] | jblack: | if femon has numberic output, you can multiply it by some constant and add it to a base, and beep a freq for quality. |
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| [01:42:22] | jblack: | (I don't know what femon is) |
| [01:42:36] | jblack: | oh, here we go. found it |
| [01:43:49] | secross: | jblack: i have femon (from package dvb-apps and beep installed, but i am running into the problem of trying to make them work together with awk. |
| [01:43:57] | jblack: | gimme a sec. |
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| [01:45:51] | secross: | i was using espeak with a similar setup using: femon 2>&1 | awk -F"," '{ print $1 $3 $2 }{match($1,"signal"); print(substr($3,(RSTART-1),2)) |"espeak -s 250 -ven "}' |
| [01:46:43] | secross: | which worked nice, but moved my backend up on the tower... |
| [01:47:56] | secross: | brb... |
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| [01:53:17] | justinh: | well, tell the UK folks the uk-WinterHill BBC mux on 801833000 is definitely 8k mode QAM64 :) |
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| [01:59:18] | jblack: | secross: I'm making good progress. ;) |
| [02:07:08] | jblack: | secross: femon -H | awk '/FE_HAS_LOCK/ {sub(/%/," ");VAR=500+(50*$5); system("echo beep " VAR);}' |
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| [02:08:06] | justinh: | and soon you'll have the world's most expensive ATSC signal meter :D |
| [02:08:19] | justinh: | not to mention the least hand-holdable :P |
| [02:08:29] | jblack: | maybe he has a netbook. ;0 |
| [02:08:44] | justinh: | heh true |
| [02:08:59] | jblack: | Or an android phone + ssh. |
| [02:09:03] | jblack: | that could actually be useful. |
| [02:09:07] | justinh: | might be cool to put that stuff on a wiki wiki for others to use |
| [02:09:21] | jblack: | setup a pipe over ssh, and beep on the phone |
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| [02:09:43] | ** jblack installs beep locally ** | |
| [02:09:46] | justinh: | just been reading about the end of the analogue TV era here.. none of the six channels made any kind of deal about it |
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| [02:11:06] | jblack: | i'm still working out the proper escapes to exec over ssh. |
| [02:13:12] | jblack: | darn. beep doesn't do alsa |
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| [02:13:41] | justinh: | pulseaudio? :D |
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| [02:14:09] | jblack: | whatever the toy of the day is |
| [02:15:07] | jblack: | is he even here? |
| [02:15:20] | wagnerrp: | who? |
| [02:15:35] | mangus580: | him! |
| [02:15:36] | mangus580: | thats who |
| [02:15:37] | jblack: | secross: Wake up |
| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | he who is? |
| [02:15:51] | mangus580: | is he who? |
| [02:16:00] | jblack: | he, who is him, and not you. |
| [02:16:25] | ** wagnerrp feels put down ** | |
| [02:16:30] | jblack: | Ok, if someone has a wiki account... |
| [02:16:32] | jblack: | femon -H | awk '/FE_HAS_LOCK/ {sub(/%/," ");VAR=($5); system("echo " VAR);}' |
| [02:16:45] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a wiki account? |
| [02:16:48] | jblack: | save that to a file on the backend, and run it with someting appropriate like... |
| [02:17:33] | secross: | jblack: sorry i was outside listening to the tweeting coming from the backend... :) , you are the man of the hour! |
| [02:17:57] | secross: | i changed your line to: femon -H | awk '/FE_HAS_LOCK/ {sub(/%/," ");VAR=500+(50*$5); system("beep -f" VAR);}' |
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| [02:20:52] | jblack: | wahtever. just get it on the wiki so that justinh doesn't beat me |
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| [02:25:22] | sceo: | In the Terra theme, there's a helper image to go along with most of the things (i.e. "Watch Recordings has a curtain, Setup has a set of wrenches, etc). I've added some custom menu items for Pandora, and want them to have images. How would I do it – where would I put the images and how would I link them to their menu items? |
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| [02:38:35] | justinh: | sceo: all the clues you'll need are in the menu-ui.xml file within Terra |
| [02:39:11] | sceo: | justinh – thanks, I JUST found it like 3 seconds ago |
| [02:39:54] | sceo: | is it possible to override that file with my own, like in ~/.mythtv or something? |
| [02:40:02] | sceo: | (menu-ui.xml I mean) |
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| [02:47:19] | justinh: | I think so. never attempted it myself – I just go for the files in their native environment ;-) |
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| [02:52:02] | sceo: | justinh that could be the solution, or just switch themes so the "no image available" goes away. we've got a good solution going for controlling pandora through myth, including thumbs-up/down through LIRC, etc – but there's one menu item for each pandora station, so it's a whole bunch of "no image available" icons ;) |
| [02:52:34] | sceo: | found this – same problem, unfortunately no solutions :) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405556 |
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| [03:23:32] | alakhia: | i'm using mythtv with a joystick and was hoping I could get some help |
| [03:23:56] | alakhia: | i found the wiki and set my controls ... most stuff works great except for a few cases |
| [03:24:53] | alakhia: | 1) if I exit from main menu, mythtv exits instead of shutting down ... any way I can set that up? |
| [03:25:42] | alakhia: | 2) if i play a game using sdlmame, i cannot exit the game at all. I have to hook up a usb keyboard and hit escape to exit the game |
| [03:26:12] | [R]: | alakhia: in the settings there is an option about what options to show in the exit menu |
| [03:26:20] | [R]: | alakhia: you need to configure sdlmame to use the joystick properly |
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| [03:30:12] | alakhia: | [R]: found the setting ... goodness it is pretty deep inside the general settings |
| [03:30:23] | alakhia: | great, that takes care of #1 |
| [03:30:46] | wagnerrp: | we cant help you with #2 |
| [03:31:50] | alakhia: | [R]: so joystick button #4 works as exit for mythtv but in sdlmame, it means something else |
| [03:32:02] | [R]: | [08:30:46] wagnerrp we cant help you with #2 |
| [03:32:32] | alakhia: | i am looking at sdlmame and there is a stop command ... wonder if that is it |
| [03:33:29] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he should quote [R] ** | |
| [03:33:44] | [R]: | wagnerrp: too much recursion |
| [03:33:50] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:34:00] | wagnerrp: | but it would only be fair |
| [03:34:25] | alakhia: | you guys have been most helpful. Thanks. |
| [03:34:45] | sphery: | alakhia: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/49437#49437 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/21959#21959 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/147080#147080 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/121808#121808 |
| [03:35:22] | sphery: | we really need a new site, letmegossamerthatforyou.com |
| [03:35:35] | [R]: | lol |
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| [03:37:24] | wagnerrp: | im starting to wonder if you have such a script written for your irc client |
| [03:39:40] | sphery: | that would be a good idea |
| [03:40:33] | squish102: | im sure there are some real knowledgable tv ppl here. would you buy a plasma or 120hz lcd tv if looking for size > 60"? |
| [03:41:15] | wagnerrp: | most of the big players have dropped out of the plasma business |
| [03:41:33] | wagnerrp: | no money going into new development for them |
| [03:41:45] | squish102: | i saw a 60" lcd and the plasma next to it looked so much better |
| [03:41:55] | wagnerrp: | what brands? |
| [03:42:13] | squish102: | lcd seemed to be blocky when high speed action happened |
| [03:43:18] | wagnerrp: | blockiness is going to be entirely a compression artifact |
| [03:43:18] | squish102: | um, brands where, samsung plasma and sharp aquos |
| [03:43:32] | wagnerrp: | it will have nothing to do with the display |
| [03:43:55] | wagnerrp: | unless this was a 480i signal, and the LCD had a lower quality upscaler |
| [03:44:09] | squish102: | that is what was strange, it was showing a bluray |
| [03:44:27] | [R]: | a lot of times tvs in stores are hooked up by peopel that dont know what they are doing |
| [03:44:32] | squish102: | ok, but advice is to probably go with lcd |
| [03:45:06] | wagnerrp: | plasma's used to be the best for motion blur and contrast ratio |
| [03:45:12] | wagnerrp: | but new LCDs are comparable |
| [03:45:36] | wagnerrp: | and end up being thinner, lighter, lower powered, etc... |
| [03:45:42] | squish102: | sharp aquos is a pretty good make, i think. any good website that compares models? |
| [03:45:55] | wagnerrp: | considering at 60"+, price isnt a big concern for you |
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| [03:46:22] | squish102: | price is, but i have to replace a 60" dlp that the lamp is going agasin |
| [03:46:38] | wagnerrp: | if price is a concern, drop both and get a DLP or LCoS |
| [03:47:06] | squish102: | i dont like the dark room for dlp and viewing angle |
| [03:47:48] | squish102: | i have a 52" plasma in a light room and it has the greatest picture |
| [03:52:43] | mag0o: | i just got a 50" samsung plasma that so far (about 8 hours total viewing) looks great |
| [03:53:08] | mag0o: | and like others, comparing it next to an lcd in store, the plasma produced a better pic |
| [03:55:45] | squish102: | i have a 37" lcd, and it is pale in comparison to the plasma, but i guess lcd is the future :( |
| [03:56:07] | wagnerrp: | LCD is a dark future |
| [03:57:02] | wagnerrp: | but at least TVs far more commonly see VA panels than monitors |
| [03:59:44] | wagnerrp: | 'services for nfs'... wait... windows does NFS now? |
| [04:00:29] | wagnerrp: | wow, seems it does |
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| [04:02:06] | Dagmar: | It's been able to do it for awhile now |
| [04:02:11] | Dagmar: | Just don't expect it to do it well |
| [04:02:22] | wagnerrp: | i knew there were third party solutions |
| [04:02:30] | wagnerrp: | but i have never seen any built in support before |
| [04:02:38] | wagnerrp: | (never really looked either) |
| [04:02:41] | Dagmar: | They're not proud of it |
| [04:03:08] | Dagmar: | THey keep information about that hidden DEEP in the KB because they don't want people to even know there's an alternative to SMB |
| [04:03:44] | wagnerrp: | well i just went into 'add windows components' to add SNMP, and there it was |
| [04:04:04] | wagnerrp: | although i dare say thats one area of windows 98% of users never see |
| [04:04:11] | mag0o: | heh |
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| [04:08:15] | ** sphery tries to decide whether to read the spoiler that says who died in last night's Heroes ** | |
| [04:08:33] | Dagmar: | No one really died |
| [04:08:59] | Dagmar: | Well, aside from the usual list of "whoever just pissed Samuel off" |
| [04:09:01] | sphery: | ah, so they leaked the spoiler and it wasn't a spoiler because it was something that didn't happen the way the stories said... |
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| [04:10:36] | sphery: | heh, it was someone who died a year ago |
| [04:11:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, hard to call what happened there dying |
| [04:11:39] | Dagmar: | More like a symbolic gesture |
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| [04:11:50] | sphery: | yeah, more than anything it sounds like we'll just not see the guy they pretended we were seeing |
| [04:12:37] | alakhia: | sphery: was afk ... just saw your urls. Thanks. Let me look at those. |
| [04:12:57] | wagnerrp: | well... back to trying to figure out why i cannot log into my domain |
| [04:18:00] | alakhia: | darn, most of those guys are using their remote to setup mame, not a joystick |
| [04:18:24] | alakhia: | some of them used a script to just call killall ... :-) |
| [04:19:30] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: WHich version of Windows |
| [04:20:01] | wagnerrp: | 7 |
| [04:20:13] | Dagmar: | Well, which version of that? |
| [04:20:19] | wagnerrp: | 7 is fine, ive done the necessary registry tweeks for that |
| [04:20:21] | Dagmar: | If you're running Home Premium, you're done. |
| [04:20:27] | Dagmar: | It can't login to domains. |
| [04:20:30] | wagnerrp: | ultimate, it has domain support |
| [04:20:33] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [04:20:49] | wagnerrp: | the problem is i updated my file server last week |
| [04:21:07] | wagnerrp: | and was getting 'you are using a temporary profile' warnings on the previous install |
| [04:21:21] | wagnerrp: | so apparently samba is just improperly set up |
| [04:22:35] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: yeah, made sure to check on that, and see what copy the bookstore was selling before picking it up this afternoon |
| [04:26:41] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [04:28:50] | wagnerrp: | s/selling/handing out in exchange for $7/ |
| [04:29:14] | Wicked: | hmm. i have a subtitle file(srt) along with the movie but mythtv does not seem to pick up the srt file...do i need to do anything special? |
| [04:29:15] | wagnerrp: | you'd think i lived in malaysia |
| [04:29:32] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: just have it in the same directory, and the same filename |
| [04:29:49] | Wicked: | yea. only the extension is diff(avi,srt) |
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| [04:32:00] | Wicked: | it should just pick it up right?...other players seem to pick them up |
| [04:32:09] | wagnerrp: | it should |
| [04:32:15] | wagnerrp: | although ive never used it |
| [04:32:20] | Wicked: | or do i need to toggle it?...i didnt see anything in the menu to turn them on/off |
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| [04:37:26] | Wicked: | seems you may have to hit "t" to turn them on/off |
| [04:37:30] | Wicked: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/11271 . . . thvideo.html |
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| [04:56:08] | Wicked: | hmm..also is it possible to have the previous channel key work like it used to? i have the previous channel key binded to "H" which switches to the last channel....but it wont let switch between 2 channels like im used to...for example if i goto channel 1 then 2 then 3 and hit H it goes from 3 to 2..then if i hit it again it will goto 1. |
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| [04:56:57] | Wicked: | id like it to be act more like if i goto channel 1 then channel 2 then channel 3...if like to be able to hit h to go from 3 to 2...then if i hit it again...goto 3. |
| [04:59:51] | Casper0082: | ^^^ I agree |
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| [05:00:17] | wagnerrp: | considering the channel change time in mythtv, 'previous channel' is of limited use |
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| [05:00:30] | wagnerrp: | better to just mark one for recording, and watch the other |
| [05:00:57] | Casper0082: | I use it more for news in the morning. When one goes to commercial, switch |
| [05:01:03] | Wicked: | *some* of us actually use livetv -_- |
| [05:01:21] | Casper0082: | No sense in watching morning news days later :) |
| [05:02:24] | wagnerrp: | personally, i just use my tv directly for that |
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| [05:03:00] | wagnerrp: | although depending on your configuration, that might not be possible |
| [05:03:46] | Wicked: | well..i could have sworn mythtv used to do this....i recall using this before |
| [05:04:03] | Wicked: | but now it seems it just steps back in history with each press. |
| [05:05:07] | markl_: | ok just got my hd homerun out of the box; unfortunately it doesn't have much of a manual. is it possible to set it up without windows? |
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| [05:05:25] | wagnerrp: | markl_: there is no device setup |
| [05:05:46] | markl_: | no need for dhcp? |
| [05:05:48] | wagnerrp: | just go into mythtv-setup, give it the device id, and continue setup like any other card |
| [05:05:58] | markl_: | i don't have dhcp on my network but it is on the same subnet as mythtv |
| [05:06:07] | markl_: | ok cool i'll try it |
| [05:06:10] | wagnerrp: | well the windows drivers dont include a dhcp server |
| [05:06:22] | markl_: | neat |
| [05:06:30] | wagnerrp: | and if you use the device id, you dont need to set it to a static device |
| [05:06:34] | markl_: | they actually mentioned linux and the gpl on the box |
| [05:06:37] | markl_: | i am impressed |
| [05:06:43] | wagnerrp: | it will autodetect from any machine on the same subnet |
| [05:06:51] | markl_: | ok cool, awesome |
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| [05:07:14] | markl_: | hd homerun and vdpau, i am going to have some fun |
| [05:07:15] | wagnerrp: | honestly, accessing the HDHR amounts to a few dozen KB of socket code |
| [05:07:21] | wagnerrp: | why not make a linux version |
| [05:07:51] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is really unnecessary for anything youre going to pull over ATSC |
| [05:08:20] | wagnerrp: | any proper machine made in the last couple years will manage HD mpeg2 decoding in software |
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| [05:25:32] | superm1: | wagnerrp, be careful when you say that. i know tons of netbooks that squeal :) |
| [05:27:02] | wagnerrp: | oh im very careful... i did say 'proper machine' didnt i? |
| [05:27:34] | superm1: | hehe |
| [05:32:03] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend who was trying to install Sims 3 on her netbook earlier today, so i had to show her CloneDrive, and make an image of the disk |
| [05:32:11] | wagnerrp: | i didnt bother sticking around to see how poorly it ran |
| [05:33:09] | [R]: | i used to love the sims |
| [05:33:11] | [R]: | taht game was kick butt |
| [05:33:56] | wagnerrp: | nah, it got repetitive |
| [05:34:08] | [R]: | is she a hot female friend? |
| [05:34:16] | wagnerrp: | now Evil Genius was a game that deserved a sequal |
| [05:34:21] | wagnerrp: | married with kids |
| [05:34:25] | [R]: | oh, lame |
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| [07:29:55] | frodef: | Good morning. |
| [07:30:03] | Hiisty: | morning |
| [07:30:51] | frodef: | I've gotten my hands on a pico-ITX box whose physical size etc. would be ideal for a frontend, but the CPU is not quite up to speed, 1GHz C7... |
| [07:31:48] | frodef: | ..I understand there's the possibility of some XvMC graphics/video decode accelleration with these boards, but is it (still) true that this would not help for MPEG-4? |
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| [07:42:30] | justinh: | frodef: yeah but it'll make a great door wedge |
| [07:43:12] | frodef: | justinh: actually I think it's too small and light for that. |
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| [08:27:20] | pac0: | hello all, good mornign |
| [08:28:38] | pac0: | can i use wintv-ci with mythtv? |
| [08:28:46] | pac0: | i`m looking at google w/o lucky |
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| [09:04:05] | justinh: | pac0: if it works in linux, then probably yes |
| [09:07:00] | justinh: | but if you mean that USB CI, NO |
| [09:09:37] | justinh: | better get busy & do my rescan |
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| [09:10:28] | pac0: | i only want to watch the channels of my provider under my htpc, with the hvr4000 or similar |
| [09:10:48] | pac0: | i still reading info by now |
| [09:11:25] | justinh: | well, you certainly can't use an external CI with mythtv yet |
| [09:18:26] | pac0: | =/ |
| [09:21:37] | justinh: | and why? because it basically verges on software decryption. Which isn't supported |
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| [10:14:55] | justinh: | fank gawd for my script which reinstates xmltvids to the channel table, etc |
| [10:16:07] | justinh: | an idea for a future mythtv-setup might be to try to group channels into genres so those of us who abhor shopping & gay chat channels can consign them binwards without much effort :) |
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| [10:38:23] | ivor: | frodef: heh, just replied to your mail. |
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| [10:38:56] | frodef: | ivor: yes, thanks. |
| [10:39:11] | frodef: | ivor: any idea if VIA's driver might work? |
| [10:39:20] | ivor: | yes. it won't. |
| [10:39:58] | justinh: | I was one of the people who was holding out for great things in the epia circle. I got tired of waiting |
| [10:40:08] | frodef: | ivor: isn't it supposed to? I thought it said something about MPEG-4 support now? |
| [10:40:08] | ivor: | justinh: yeah slow progress. |
| [10:40:38] | justinh: | and now we have nvidia ION gear.. |
| [10:40:59] | ivor: | frodef: you'd need to install FC7 and the via binary. then build and install the VeMP player. *then* you might get working mpeg4, but it isn't clear whether h264 would be supported. |
| [10:41:31] | justinh: | next, we just need a proper hardware decoder on some whizzy SFF board capable of being a *real* frontend |
| [10:41:32] | ivor: | frodef: we're probably going to have a stab at getting mpeg4 support, but we'll port to VAAPI first. |
| [10:42:08] | frodef: | so what's FC7? And does mythtv support VAPPI (yet)? |
| [10:42:15] | frodef: | s/VAAPI |
| [10:42:30] | ivor: | fedora core 7. the most recent distro the via binary driver will run on! |
| [10:42:36] | justinh: | ! |
| [10:42:45] | frodef: | oh great.. :) |
| [10:42:46] | ivor: | mythtv isn't vaapi yet, but ffmpeg is. |
| [10:42:53] | ivor: | frodef: exactly. |
| [10:43:17] | frodef: | so.. mythtv will use vaapi via ffmpeg? |
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| [10:43:57] | ivor: | just needs someone to spend the time writing the code. just that if the support is in ffmpeg, it's not a *huge* amount of work to port over to mythtv. |
| [10:44:11] | ivor: | rather than writing from scratch. |
| [10:44:17] | justinh: | less porting I'll bet – more syncing |
| [10:44:26] | ivor: | justinh: exactly. |
| [10:44:28] | frodef: | ivor: I see. Thanks so much. |
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| [10:44:47] | ivor: | but need to get a vaapi driver first of course! :) |
| [10:45:25] | justinh: | wonder if there's an xmltv uk_rt option to NOT grab icons |
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| [10:48:14] | frodef: | Any suggestions for physically minimal, silent frontend hw? Something like a micro-atx with nvidia and vdpau perhaps? |
| [10:48:30] | justinh: | nvidia ION platform |
| [10:48:42] | justinh: | take yer pick |
| [10:49:24] | frodef: | justinh: ok thanks, I'll look into that. It can scale to HD video, hopefully? |
| [10:49:34] | ivor: | easilly |
| [10:49:56] | justinh: | better than anything via have out right now I think :) |
| [10:50:08] | frodef: | sounds good. thanks. and now, lunch :) |
| [10:50:27] | ivor: | justinh: indeed. until I figure out mpeg4... |
| [10:50:27] | justinh: | it's a shame because via stuff was pretty good at complete mpeg2 offload – when it worked it was ace |
| [10:51:03] | ivor: | justinh: indeed. got sdtv on the cx700 last night... 1% cpu. |
| [10:51:15] | justinh: | those boards really need the hw decoding don't they |
| [10:51:37] | justinh: | my M10k board wouldn't even play a DVD. 1Ghz my ass ;) |
| [10:52:16] | ivor: | indeed the idea/design was fine. and to be honest the actual decoder chip was pretty stunning. |
| [10:52:24] | ivor: | just crap software and no documentation. |
| [10:55:01] | justinh: | sounds like Chipwrights |
| [10:56:12] | ivor: | they always said it was MPEG-LA trouble. |
| [10:56:36] | justinh: | http://www.chipwrights.com/iptv_deluxe.php – doesn't even do HD ffs |
| [10:56:54] | justinh: | pity cos they had mythtv running on it |
| [10:57:08] | justinh: | using the hardware decoder |
| [10:59:29] | ivor: | yeah looks like they've got a horsepower issue for hdtv I guess. |
| [11:00:04] | justinh: | seen it in the flesh running mplayer accelerating h.264 SDTV streams |
| [11:00:21] | justinh: | looked great – just a pity it's 2 years behind :D |
| [11:01:11] | justinh: | time to make some test recordings to verify the rescan worked ok |
| [11:01:19] | ivor: | oh well I'm going to try h264 anyway. |
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| [11:11:07] | frodef: | justinh: any suggestions for powering those IONs? Do you use normal PC PSUs? |
| [11:11:41] | justinh: | me? no I don't have one |
| [11:11:56] | justinh: | thought most of them used an external fanless brick |
| [11:12:21] | frodef: | ah, ok :) |
| [11:12:43] | justinh: | I've not bought into HD yet. Probably won't for a couple of years |
| [11:13:01] | justinh: | there's not enough free content here |
| [11:13:17] | justinh: | and still too much of what I watch is still SD |
| [11:13:37] | hashbang: | justinh: same here; got a nice SD setup, HD will require upgrading everything and buying now will probably just require two rounds of upgrades instead of one (e.g. DVB-T2) |
| [11:13:57] | justinh: | not holding my breath for dvb-t2 pc tuners |
| [11:14:17] | hashbang: | justinh: got a nice workstation in Dec 2008 which'll make a great Mythbox with a VDPAU-capable graphics card |
| [11:14:24] | hashbang: | justinh: DRM issues? |
| [11:14:37] | justinh: | no, just lack of interest from manufacturers |
| [11:14:50] | frodef: | I'm just setting up my first system now, so I thought HD compatibility would be a good idea. |
| [11:14:58] | hashbang: | justinh: really?!? Surely they'll be interested once HD becomes popular... |
| [11:15:05] | justinh: | hashbang: in the UK? nah |
| [11:15:10] | justinh: | UK is tiny beans |
| [11:15:21] | frodef: | although I'll probably only use it for the free DVB-T, which is h.264 here. |
| [11:15:22] | justinh: | DVB-T is just about all over the world |
| [11:15:24] | hashbang: | justinh: but DVB-T2 will be worldwide, right? |
| [11:15:37] | justinh: | and replace all their dvb-t kit so soon? heh |
| [11:15:45] | frodef: | s/h.264 SD |
| [11:15:47] | hashbang: | justinh: ah, right |
| [11:16:15] | justinh: | DVB-T is used everywhere apart from US/Canada, Japan & china AFAIK |
| [11:16:25] | justinh: | pretty much anyway |
| [11:16:29] | hashbang: | justinh: well, I suspect UK will have to wait for DVB-T2 to replace DVB-T worldwide, is what I meant |
| [11:16:59] | justinh: | there was a UK company who set out to make dvb-t tuners in the early days |
| [11:17:04] | frodef: | so, what to do with this pico-itx brick.. :) |
| [11:17:09] | justinh: | maybe that'll happen again but they'll be expensive |
| [11:17:23] | hashbang: | justinh: cf. DAB |
| [11:17:29] | justinh: | but then with multirec we'd only ever need ONE DVB-T2 tuner :D |
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| [11:17:52] | XLV: | they effed us here, decided to go dvb-t mpeg4 ( h264 ).. most devices sold here by now was mpeg2 dvb-t, cause the pilot program from state broadcasting channels, used mpeg2 for two years now |
| [11:18:06] | justinh: | dab needs to be ripped up & go straight to DAB+ |
| [11:18:08] | XLV: | so i'd have to get a new dvd/hdd deck recorder at least |
| [11:18:15] | hashbang: | XLV: 'here' is? |
| [11:18:21] | XLV: | greece |
| [11:18:31] | XLV: | schedule is 2013, then all analog ceases |
| [11:18:48] | frodef: | same here in norway. analog closed a year ago or so. |
| [11:19:13] | justinh: | WTF? 20MB for a 1 minute recording from FIVE? that doesn't sound right |
| [11:19:44] | hashbang: | XLV/frodef: same sort of thing happened with UK-only DAB; uses old codec, plenty of non-upgradeable receivers, worldwide DAB+ standard uses different codec |
| [11:20:01] | justinh: | do the sums.. hmmm... 20 * 8 /60 = 2.6Mbits approx. |
| [11:20:02] | justinh: | oops |
| [11:20:24] | hashbang: | I happen to like DAB because I get lousy FM reception where I am, and DAB is glitch free for me, but it's died on its arse in the UK |
| [11:20:28] | frodef: | I'm impressed though that an el-cheapo USB stick can provide simultaneous recording/live-tv of all three free channels in excellent quality. |
| [11:20:41] | justinh: | hashbang: nah FM has 5 years if it's lucky |
| [11:21:03] | justinh: | read OFCOM's 'Digital Dividend' report man |
| [11:21:18] | hashbang: | justinh: it won't get switched off until car radios and TDS devices are off analogue |
| [11:21:25] | justinh: | oh it will |
| [11:21:35] | justinh: | OFCOM are dead set for it |
| [11:22:16] | justinh: | oh yeah those silly traffic update things for satnavs will be useless too. hahaha |
| [11:22:26] | justinh: | whoops |
| [11:24:10] | frodef: | In mythtv when I go to watch recordings, they are grouped by the program/series title.. Is there any way to make new categories, so that I can get all cartoons etc. into a "Kids" group, etc? |
| [11:24:25] | justinh: | you should really read the manual |
| [11:24:50] | frodef: | justinh: Probably :) |
| [11:25:08] | frodef: | I'm rather new to myth and it's still confusing sometimes. |
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| [11:25:48] | ** justinh wonders how many people's rescans will utterly fail today ** | |
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| [11:29:41] | frodef: | So VDPAU will be able to offload h.264-decoding, right? |
| [11:30:07] | justinh: | be able to offload any codec the driver & hardware supports yes |
| [11:30:43] | frodef: | "the driver" being the Xorg driver? |
| [11:31:03] | justinh: | the "driver" being the nvidia binary blob |
| [11:31:19] | frodef: | ok, thanks. |
| [11:38:38] | justinh: | heh cleaning out my dtv_multiplex table has had a nice side effect |
| [11:38:52] | ivor: | less tv to watch? |
| [11:38:53] | justinh: | the scheduler now takes far less time to complete its stuff |
| [11:39:22] | justinh: | nah I truncated it & added the transports back... did some v. naughty stuff with the db |
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| [11:39:46] | justinh: | now instead of > 20 secs it's taking around 6 secs |
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| [11:45:33] | justinh: | killall firefox |
| [11:45:34] | justinh: | again |
| [11:49:41] | mzb: | frodef, it'll be interesting to see how your USB stick handles the thrashing mythtv is likely to give it (heat-wise) ;)) |
| [11:50:01] | mzb: | justinh, try pkill ;) |
| [11:56:06] | justinh: | now why the hell has my twitter script stopped working? |
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| [12:07:33] | frodef: | mzb: The video is garbled sometimes, but I attribute that to a bad (terrible) antenna (so far). |
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| [12:39:49] | justinh: | whee tweety script she worky agains! |
| [12:41:41] | quicksilver: | > justinh is watching <Men and Motors> |
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| [12:43:59] | justinh: | sigh |
| [12:43:59] | deus: | I had a turnaround and decided to abandond setting up a backend and use frontend instead |
| [12:44:10] | deus: | but the frontend keep bugging me that it cant find the backend server |
| [12:44:16] | justinh: | it doesn't tweet what I'm watching. I *know* what I'm watching |
| [12:44:22] | deus: | how do i tell frontend that its not suppose to try to connect to a backend? |
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| [12:44:29] | justinh: | deus: you don't |
| [12:44:34] | justinh: | mythfrontend needs a backend |
| [12:44:37] | justinh: | tada! :D |
| [12:45:57] | justinh: | no, I don't know why I enjoy giving people bad news either |
| [12:46:41] | deus: | Thatssss not what i read, thats not what i DID! I've got everything to work perfectly for what i need. |
| [12:47:06] | deus: | All that remains is to remove that annoying prompt. |
| [12:47:12] | justinh: | you can't |
| [12:47:24] | justinh: | mythfrontend always tries to connect to mythbackend |
| [12:48:17] | deus: | So they put everything together for a working standalone client...but left this appendage? |
| [12:48:53] | justinh: | who ever said mythfrontend was a standalone client? |
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| [12:49:36] | justinh: | whoever did, they were either wrong or lying |
| [12:49:50] | deus: | Well it works are one. |
| [12:50:11] | justinh: | that isn't in question |
| [12:50:23] | justinh: | the fact remains that mythfrontend will always look for a backend |
| [12:50:51] | deus: | justinh: try to think outside the usecases for a minute |
| [12:51:22] | justinh: | I'm telling you plain FACTS man |
| [12:51:44] | justinh: | mythfrontend by default, hard-coded in software ALWAYS LOOKS FOR THE BACKEND |
| [12:52:12] | justinh: | until you or somebody else modifies it to do otherwise |
| [12:53:31] | justinh: | so no, I'm not *just* *saying* this stuff because I feel like it. These are the facts |
| [12:56:19] | deus: | So my original assesment was right, it got everything it needs for a fancy mediaplayer(barring tv-tuner) but its still asks for a server which at the moment i dont need. |
| [12:56:48] | justinh: | yes and there's nothing you can do about it without a) changing code or b) setting up a backend |
| [12:57:19] | deus: | So what are we aguing about? |
| [12:58:25] | quicksilver: | in fact, all the media stuff which searches the frontend is buggy. |
| [12:58:40] | quicksilver: | logically it should search the backend. |
| [12:58:42] | justinh: | you said you'd got everything to work perfectly – except for the nag about not being able to find the backend.. then I said it'll always look for a backend. You said try to think outside the usual use cases.. and I reiterated that the frontend will always look for a backend no matter what |
| [12:58:43] | quicksilver: | that would be true to the design myth was aiming for. |
| [12:58:49] | quicksilver: | those plugins are just broken :) |
| [12:59:36] | justinh: | it IS possible to set the backend up to be inert without any tuner devices as such.. if you know what you're doing. then mythfrontend will be happy |
| [13:00:00] | justinh: | quicksilver: aye all that local file stuff has to go |
| [13:00:15] | justinh: | and by 0.24 a lot of it will be I think :) |
| [13:00:35] | deus: | justinh: all i said was that in practicality it works as a standalone client. |
| [13:01:08] | justinh: | I know that! |
| [13:01:10] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [13:01:15] | justinh: | but it still always looks for a backend |
| [13:01:39] | deus: | i never argued that point |
| [13:01:43] | justinh: | and without ripping out yards of code to do it properly, that's not changing |
| [13:02:57] | deus: | i smell a dirty hack comming |
| [13:03:12] | justinh: | so you asked, and I've told you. REPEATEDLY. And now I'm tired of repeating myself |
| [13:04:43] | quicksilver: | although some people argue that myth is not a particular good media browser and there are better options for that. |
| [13:04:52] | quicksilver: | that does get a bit less true with each myth release though |
| [13:05:18] | justinh: | s/media/file/ :) |
| [13:07:44] | justinh: | if you set up a backend with a dummy tuner (with also valid file locations for storage groups etc) it'll probably be totally happy – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner |
| [13:08:12] | justinh: | no need to hack any code & venture into unsupported areas |
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| [13:11:14] | deus: | justinh: When i said "think outside of the usecases" i didnt mean a solution to my problem, by then we managed to drift into the area regarding the theory vs practise that the frontend was a standalone client. |
| [13:11:35] | justinh: | it ISN'T intended to be a standalone client. |
| [13:11:56] | justinh: | it never was, and may never be |
| [13:12:19] | justinh: | hence all the nagging about looking for a backend |
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| [13:13:30] | justinh: | it might appear, to all intents and purposes – to work just fine despite not finding a backend but.. that probably doesn't cover every eventuality. Only your use case |
| [13:14:14] | justinh: | and FWIW, if *I* didn't use TV features I'd probably have gone with COUGH.. one of the other programs |
| [13:15:49] | justinh: | jesus. are ITV3 really showing On The Buses? Meh |
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| [13:23:32] | deus: | Jesus, its like talking to a scrum master that takes his job to seriusly :) I never questioned myths design or anything, i just stated that it can be used as standalone, that is all, intended or not. |
| [13:24:42] | justinh: | 12:44 < justinh> it doesn't tweet what I'm watching. I *know* what I'm watching |
| [13:24:45] | justinh: | 12:44 < deus> how do i tell frontend that its not suppose to try to connect to a backend? |
| [13:24:54] | justinh: | and I said YOU DON'T |
| [13:25:00] | justinh: | now let that be an end to it |
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| [13:28:10] | deus: | But i didnt ARGUE AGAINST WHAT YOU SAID?! You answered my question. |
| [13:28:20] | deus: | Ok this is getting silly |
| [13:28:38] | ivor: | you must be new here. :) |
| [13:29:00] | ivor: | silly is built in. |
| [13:29:07] | justinh: | it's the internets! |
| [13:29:34] | justinh: | silly users come in here with silly questions, get totally straight answers, can't cope.. |
| [13:29:45] | ivor: | anyway it's after 1. shouldn you be going home? |
| [13:30:37] | justinh: | I wish |
| [13:30:53] | justinh: | I have the aftermath of a PHB decision to straighten out |
| [13:31:34] | ivor: | ah. my PHB resigned yesterday. |
| [13:32:51] | justinh: | another 'just upgrade these units' means not only new software. new boards. oh and the boards don't fit the old case |
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| [13:41:02] | justinh: | new case, new boards, new HDDs, new software. is that a new unit? Ooo no not if it has the serial number of the old one. Pfft. the guy needs a gentle burning |
| [13:41:50] | mzb: | frodef, femon can help you to determine if that's the problem |
| [13:42:47] | mzb: | a varying result is usually bad ... a steady result (regardless of the _reported_ value) is good providing 0 errors |
| [13:43:17] | justinh: | aim for zero BER, as high SNR as possible & *definitely* zero UNC |
| [13:44:19] | justinh: | if a setup of mine produced UNCs regularly I couldn't use it. Don't like big gaps in recorded shows. Not a huge fan of lego-vision blocking either |
| [13:44:20] | frodef: | mzb: uh.. what problem? |
| [13:44:36] | justinh: | frodef: 12:07 < frodef> mzb: The video is garbled sometimes, but I attribute that to a bad (terrible) antenna (so far). |
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| [13:46:06] | frodef: | Oh, I intend to verify that, but it involves a bit of work to get the backend and antenna etc. set up properly. |
| [13:46:50] | frodef: | Is there a (reliable) way I can see if the problem is signal or bad hw? |
| [13:46:58] | mzb: | deus, I guess you're aware that mythtv is a frontend/backend system (like server/client) ... you can't have a frontend without having a backend ... it just doesn't work that way |
| [13:47:03] | mzb: | frodef, femon |
| [13:47:34] | justinh: | mzb: I killed that horse several times over already |
| [13:47:43] | frodef: | mzb: oh right, sorry, I read that as you addressing both me and femon. |
| [13:47:43] | mzb: | I usually use my mobile phone (has wifi) and get up on the roof to twiddle the aerial while watching femon results |
| [13:48:12] | mzb: | justinh, yeah, I noticed ... just adding a vote ;) |
| [13:48:28] | mzb: | frodef, no femon in # ;) |
| [13:48:55] | mzb: | femon is part of dvb-utils ... or some-such ... depending on distro |
| [13:49:16] | frodef: | right. |
| [13:49:20] | mzb: | btw: femon -H (?) is easier to read |
| [13:50:05] | justinh: | -H ? |
| [13:50:19] | mzb: | human readable |
| [13:50:26] | justinh: | ahh that's a new thing |
| [13:51:03] | mzb: | as you add more tuners this could potentially become even more of an issue ...so get it right now ... or increase the number of times you get up on the roof ;)) |
| [13:51:10] | justinh: | and it assumes the driver doesn't like |
| [13:51:11] | justinh: | *lie |
| [13:51:26] | justinh: | status SCVYL | signal 71% | snr 0% | ber 0 | unc 36 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [13:51:27] | mzb: | I factored that into my advice |
| [13:51:39] | justinh: | there the driver is totally lying |
| [13:52:18] | mzb: | the signal strength is (until you're used to it) fairly irrelevent |
| [13:52:31] | mzb: | the error rates aren't |
| [13:52:48] | justinh: | that unc of 36 there is BS |
| [13:53:02] | justinh: | I doubt you could have UNC of 36 with 0 BER anyway :) |
| [13:53:20] | mzb: | true .. doesn't sound quite right |
| [13:54:19] | mzb: | for eg, this is what I get: |
| [13:54:23] | mzb: | status SCVYL | signal 25% | snr 100% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [13:54:37] | mzb: | 25% == 100% |
| [13:55:03] | frodef: | mzb: | signal 49% | snr 0% | ber 0 | unc 0 | |
| [13:55:12] | mzb: | (3 tuners of the same model on the same aerial) |
| [13:55:27] | mzb: | I have a 4th tuner on a separate aerial : |
| [13:55:30] | mzb: | status SCVYL | signal 100% | snr 0% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [13:55:37] | mzb: | (external USB) |
| [13:56:02] | justinh: | if I tzap it reports an UNC of 36 still, but the resulting TS plays fine :D |
| [13:56:04] | frodef: | So I should aim for 100% signal there? |
| [13:56:22] | mzb: | is the 49% varying? |
| [13:56:40] | frodef: | mzb: no, it seemed stable. |
| [13:56:40] | frodef: | ..over 10 seconds or so :) |
| [13:56:40] | mzb: | aim for "steady" |
| [13:56:48] | justinh: | aim for as low BER & UNC as possible |
| [13:56:55] | frodef: | what's "snr 0%" mean? |
| [13:56:58] | justinh: | BER = bit error rate |
| [13:56:59] | mzb: | (and no "blips" and/or transcoding errors) |
| [13:57:04] | justinh: | UNC = uncorrectable errors |
| [13:57:18] | mzb: | dm ... driver probably doesn't report it correctly) |
| [13:57:25] | justinh: | snr 0% means BS ;-) |
| [13:57:33] | justinh: | SNR stands for signal to noise ratio |
| [13:57:43] | frodef: | right.. the picture isn't quite that bad :) |
| [13:58:09] | justinh: | frodef: what symptoms do you see when it goes bad? |
| [13:58:09] | mzb: | and wait until you try to transcode it |
| [13:58:20] | justinh: | blocky artifacts with weird colours? |
| [13:58:37] | justinh: | high pitched squeaks in the sound? jumps in time? |
| [13:58:51] | justinh: | if the answer to any of them is yes, it's def. a signal issue |
| [13:58:52] | frodef: | justinh: there are blocking artifacts sometimes, which I don't mind much. |
| [13:59:00] | mzb: | transcoder will probably barf on that |
| [13:59:20] | frodef: | justinh: but yesterday there were long periods where 50–100% of the screen was garbled. |
| [13:59:25] | justinh: | transcoding barfs on good signals |
| [13:59:35] | mzb: | heh |
| [13:59:42] | frodef: | I don't do transcoding, to my knowledge. |
| [14:00:05] | mzb: | how much storage do you have? |
| [14:00:05] | justinh: | the only transcoding I do is generally just to trim recordings – even that fails most of the time |
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| [14:00:34] | justinh: | usually fixable with ffmpeg then rebuild the seektable but not always |
| [14:00:51] | frodef: | mzb: mythweb says I have 933 GB disk and 240 GB free. |
| [14:00:55] | mzb: | bleh |
| [14:01:01] | mzb: | hmm |
| [14:01:16] | mzb: | and how long have you been running mythtv? |
| [14:01:30] | frodef: | mzb: I see the same stuff if I feed the recorded streams into VLC etc. |
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| [14:01:48] | mzb: | how many "viewers" does the system support (and an extra point for each female;))) |
| [14:01:50] | frodef: | mzb: the backend has been up a month or so now. |
| [14:02:24] | frodef: | mzb: myself, wife and two kids.. 5 points!!11! |
| [14:02:36] | mzb: | you're screwed ;) |
| [14:02:40] | justinh: | heheh I'm such a snob. 2nd most recorded channel is BBC Four |
| [14:02:59] | mzb: | you will probably need to trim stuff |
| [14:03:18] | justinh: | frodef: have you ever heard of autoexpiry/deletion ? |
| [14:03:45] | frodef: | justinh: yes.. I'm hoping it will work as I expect, but I haven't looked into it much. |
| [14:03:50] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:04:00] | mzb: | and if you can't (because of signal problems) you will need to compensate by either a) more disk space, or b) less recordings |
| [14:04:18] | mzb: | eg: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . 5_stats.html |
| [14:04:25] | frodef: | it won't autoexpire out-of-tune recordings?? |
| [14:05:03] | mzb: | "expire crappy recordings before good ones" .. no such setting ;) |
| [14:06:19] | frodef: | I try to set up reasonable auto-expiry rules for my scheduled recordings.. "keep at most 7 episodes" etc. |
| [14:06:23] | mzb: | I'll point out that I don't actually watch all that ... I record it because I can ;)) |
| [14:06:37] | mzb: | that's a good policy |
| [14:07:09] | frodef: | mzb: right, I also found that there's no way I can watch everything I record, and that's even with just the 2.5 free channels here. |
| [14:07:11] | deus: | mzb: I well aware of that fact, but despite its called a frontend the client alone suits me fine for what i want. I know myth is more then just a fancy mediaplayer but in practicality it works as one. |
| [14:07:16] | mzb: | (yours, not mine) |
| [14:08:20] | frodef: | another thing.. When I install the "mythtv frontend" in "ubuntu software center" (or whatever that was called), I get the backend installed also.. is that a known issue? |
| [14:08:35] | justinh: | probably |
| [14:08:36] | frodef: | really an ubuntu issue I suppose, but.. |
| [14:08:44] | mzb: | deus, I think you'll find you'll get very little support for a "frontend only" setup here ... if only because of the ignorance of the members of this # |
| [14:08:52] | justinh: | you technically need a backend for mythfrontend to work |
| [14:09:01] | justinh: | mzb: not ignorance. FFS |
| [14:09:13] | mzb: | "if only" |
| [14:09:15] | frodef: | justinh: nah, it woks just fine without. |
| [14:09:37] | justinh: | what is this? gang up on the FACTS day today? |
| [14:09:42] | frodef: | ;) |
| [14:09:43] | mzb: | :) |
| [14:09:58] | justinh: | frodef: I said *technically* |
| [14:10:01] | mzb: | *cackle* |
| [14:10:10] | justinh: | which doesn't necessarily mean the backend has to be installed on the same machine |
| [14:10:40] | justinh: | FWIW the disk space mythbackend will occupy isn't really worth worrying about |
| [14:10:55] | deus: | mzb: well justinh gave me an answer i was looking for, (thanks by the way) and...thats the end of that....i mean i ended up with having an argument about arguing |
| [14:10:56] | justinh: | although if you don't actually want it to *run* you'd have to disable it yourself |
| [14:10:56] | frodef: | justinh: right, I have the backend hidden away in a closet, and several laptops etc. I want to install the frontend on. |
| [14:11:36] | justinh: | frodef: one of the reasons I use ubuntu but not the mythtv packages |
| [14:11:43] | mzb: | deus, oh ... ok ... well you were talking to the right person then :) |
| [14:12:04] | mzb: | (if you like arguing) |
| [14:12:13] | mzb: | :)) |
| [14:12:16] | mzb: | ;P |
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| [14:12:23] | deus: | also someone might want to flesh out this excerpt, considering the current consensus :3 http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . d_thingie.3F |
| [14:12:29] | mzb: | lol |
| [14:12:33] | mzb: | oops |
| [14:13:00] | mzb: | I shouldn't have done that ... I apologise to justinh when/if he reads from logland |
| [14:13:14] | deus: | mzb: heh, well, i think justinh just missunderstod me |
| [14:14:34] | mzb: | possibly, but justinh is ... um .. very ... opinionated (best thing I can think of) ... and sometimes you'll get a rant about the subject without an objective explanation |
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| [14:15:03] | deus: | mzb: is he one of the developers? |
| [14:15:13] | mzb: | not afaik |
| [14:15:21] | mzb: | iirc he did a few themes |
| [14:16:27] | frodef: | Oh btw, I have a recording that always shows twice in the list of recordings..? |
| [14:17:08] | mzb: | "subtitle _then_ description" ? |
| [14:17:16] | mzb: | are you running 0.21 or 0.22? |
| [14:17:53] | mzb: | check the details of the recording and see if they point to the same|different files |
| [14:17:56] | honk: | deus: uhh, that faq entry is weird.. without the backend you wouldnt have access to the database for storage of your settings.. and the frontend wouldnt start ^_^ |
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| [14:18:21] | frodef: | mzb: 0.22 as comes with latest ubuntu. |
| [14:18:38] | mzb: | "strictly speaking" ... hmm |
| [14:18:50] | mzb: | aka "technically" |
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| [14:19:14] | frodef: | mzb: they do appear to point to the same file(s). |
| [14:19:28] | deus: | honk: uh...weird...dosent the frontend create a mysql database on its own? |
| [14:19:35] | honk: | that'd be news to me |
| [14:19:43] | justinh: | corrected the stupid wiki entry. less misinformation now |
| [14:19:54] | honk: | you dont even need to have mysql installed to run the frontend after all ;p |
| [14:20:22] | justinh: | ORLY |
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| [14:20:46] | justinh: | this is totally waging war against facts day isn't it? |
| [14:20:55] | ** ivor checks it's not 1st april.... ** | |
| [14:21:02] | ivor: | w t f |
| [14:21:07] | justinh: | every single last setting in mythfrontend is stored IN THE DATABASE |
| [14:21:17] | mzb: | but, when all is said and done, the frontend _wants_ a backend, and the backend needs a db |
| [14:21:21] | justinh: | just like every single last setting for mythbackend is stored IN THE DATABASE |
| [14:21:21] | frodef: | justinh: ..on the frontend? |
| [14:21:31] | justinh: | *SOMEWHERE* |
| [14:21:32] | honk: | justinh: that's just what I said |
| [14:21:39] | honk: | somewhere? |
| [14:21:55] | honk: | you can set up the frontend to use its own database? without running a backend? |
| [14:22:10] | justinh: | you need a mysql server, with the mythconverg database to run ANY part of mythtv |
| [14:22:12] | mzb: | the db can be anywhere |
| [14:22:18] | justinh: | they don't have to be on the same machine |
| [14:22:34] | justinh: | you stop mysql & see how far mythfrontend gets |
| [14:22:35] | honk: | but the db is the one connecting to it, isnt it? ;P |
| [14:22:43] | justinh: | what? |
| [14:23:09] | frodef: | so these double entries.. someone has not been normalizing their db tables, have they..? |
| [14:23:11] | honk: | I always assumed that the frontend was using the backend as mediator for db access |
| [14:23:12] | justinh: | every part of a mythtv system has to know where the DB is so it can find the master backend |
| [14:23:17] | honk: | I see :] |
| [14:23:52] | ** justinh recommends the unclued among us today reads the 'executive overview' of mythtv in the wiki ** | |
| [14:24:34] | ** mzb sprinkles clues liberally in the floor of # ** | |
| [14:24:38] | ** ivor heads off to add entries about magic elves and pixie dust to the wiki. ** | |
| [14:26:10] | mzb: | frodef, do the dual entries remain if you restart both the frontend and backend? |
| [14:26:27] | justinh: | what's with all the UK folks with advertising in their signatures on the -users list nowadays anyway? |
| [14:26:39] | justinh: | thought that was explicitly forbidden |
| [14:27:01] | frodef: | mzb: yes. |
| [14:27:19] | justinh: | hostnames changed much? |
| [14:27:30] | frodef: | justinh: mine? no. |
| [14:27:39] | justinh: | so what double entries? |
| [14:27:56] | frodef: | justinh: <frodef> Oh btw, I have a recording that always shows twice in the list of recordings..? |
| [14:28:06] | mzb: | frodef, if you delete one of them do both disappear? (keep in mind if that does happen you could lose a "recording of importance";) |
| [14:28:10] | justinh: | probably an interrupted recording |
| [14:28:24] | frodef: | mzb: yes, I deleted one yesterday and both disappeared :) |
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| [14:28:35] | justinh: | weird |
| [14:28:38] | justinh: | so not that then |
| [14:28:43] | frodef: | this recording is scheduled every weekday. |
| [14:29:00] | frodef: | all of them appear twice. |
| [14:29:07] | mzb: | err |
| [14:29:18] | justinh: | shouldn't even be possible |
| [14:29:23] | justinh: | unless your DB is screwed |
| [14:29:55] | mzb: | the only thing I can suggest is fix your reception FIRST then check your db |
| [14:30:01] | mzb: | s/things |
| [14:30:13] | justinh: | the only *likely* scenario is when a recording is interrupted for some reason – then you can end up with 2 recording entries & two files |
| [14:30:21] | justinh: | but deleting one wouldn't do the other one in too |
| [14:30:39] | justinh: | s/wouldn't/shouldn't/ |
| [14:30:41] | mzb: | I've seen it before ...but only on 0.21 |
| [14:31:07] | mzb: | check the backend logs and fix *all* the errors |
| [14:31:28] | mzb: | (put that in front of the other two suggestions;)) |
| [14:33:02] | mzb: | on that note, gnite all |
| [14:34:00] | frodef: | goodnight |
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| [14:48:32] | Dibblah: | Hmm. There are more facebook accounts than people with AIDS. I think something needs to be done about this epidemic. |
| [14:50:22] | justinh: | a relative of mine I've yet to meet invited me to be his 'friend'. I vaguely knew who he was but his photo (apparently nekkid) was way dodgy |
| [14:50:55] | justinh: | you just don't wanna know those kinds of relatives |
| [14:51:45] | justinh: | Dibblah: stop using unprotected browsers? ;-) |
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| [14:53:48] | deus: | Ah rite...yes...sorry, had some weird train if thought revolving around pwgen |
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| [15:11:59] | wagnerrp: | justinh: but i dont wanna run this backend thingy |
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| [15:12:52] | iamlindoro: | I heard you don't even need a computer to run mythfrontend |
| [15:12:58] | ** wagnerrp gives up to just run boxee ** | |
| [15:13:12] | justinh: | you don't need to know anything to be able to edit the wiki! |
| [15:13:15] | Dassu: | iamlindoro: wat |
| [15:13:21] | justinh: | that's the beauty about user contributions |
| [15:13:31] | iamlindoro: | How can I get myth stack of loose-laef paper to stop complaining about not being able to find a computer? |
| [15:13:35] | iamlindoro: | er leaf |
| [15:13:37] | justinh: | and whining is the same as coding, so I'm actually contributing |
| [15:13:41] | wagnerrp: | you complain about our users.... |
| [15:13:59] | justinh: | I'll light a fire on my way out |
| [15:14:03] | wagnerrp: | there was some guy in #python the other day wanting to run a MIPS emulator written in python on his ipod |
| [15:14:10] | wagnerrp: | he actually seemed serious about it |
| [15:14:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: fine if you don't mind it being dog slow |
| [15:14:48] | justinh: | assuming the ipoo has enough memory |
| [15:14:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: and it being an IPOD |
| [15:14:57] | wagnerrp: | a whole lot of good you can do with that click wheel |
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| [15:15:07] | wagnerrp: | even assuming you COULD run a python interpreter on it |
| [15:15:14] | justinh: | I could show you some things :D |
| [15:16:18] | wagnerrp: | he was talking about trying to learn MIPS, and wanting it to tinker when he was away from his computer |
| [15:16:52] | justinh: | bless |
| [15:17:13] | justinh: | you'd be aswell doing it all with a pencil & paper |
| [15:17:29] | justinh: | a bit like putting livetv into a ramdisk |
| [15:17:52] | wagnerrp: | complaining something about the ipod not coming with gcc, so he couldnt compile and run directly |
| [15:18:28] | wagnerrp: | so apparently he was working with source, and not assembly... so an emulator wouldnt even work in that scenario |
| [15:18:53] | mag0o: | justinh: i think it's best we leave the fire lighting to iamlindoro |
| [15:19:33] | justinh: | nah I say slaughter the innocents before they have a chance to turn |
| [15:20:44] | iamlindoro: | Anyone who runs is the enemy. Anyone who stands still is a disciplined enemy. |
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| [15:25:36] | Brad-D: | iamlindoro: do you know of any easy examples of threading in a mythtv plugin? |
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| [15:46:24] | markl_: | on ubuntu 9.10, is there a meta package that will install everything? |
| [15:46:33] | markl_: | trying to walk a noob through installing it via synaptic |
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| [15:50:37] | ** Dibblah etches the second version of his PSU. ** | |
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| [15:51:18] | Dibblah: | ... First worked, second is smaller and doesn't require a wire to the ENable pin. Sassen frassen "default to off" controllers. |
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| [16:03:42] | Brad-D: | diabblah, you MADE your own power supply unit? |
| [16:07:04] | wagnerrp: | not an ATX one, mind you |
| [16:07:35] | Brad-D: | still... holy crap! and i thought i was a prostar being able to assemble computer parts i bought from the store. shame. |
| [16:07:36] | Brad-D: | hhahaha |
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| [16:08:39] | Brad-D: | how are you doing this morning wagnerrp? |
| [16:08:55] | wagnerrp: | tired... and barely morning any longer |
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| [16:10:50] | ** stuarta wonders if anyone's been shafted by new uk muxes ** | |
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| [16:12:23] | Brad-D: | it's true it is getting late. Guess I slept in longer than expected this morning :) |
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| [16:29:34] | markl_: | ok i plugged in my new hd homerun and loaded mythtv 0.22. It looks like mythtv wants an IP address to configure a homerun |
| [16:29:54] | markl_: | do i need to set up a dhcp server for it? i don't have dhcp on this network yet |
| [16:30:03] | markl_: | but i could load one on my myth box if necessary |
| [16:30:11] | markl_: | just for the homerun's mac |
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| [17:04:43] | wagnerrp: | markl_: yes, you MUST run a DHCP server for a HDHR to function |
| [17:04:59] | wagnerrp: | it does not have to be anything fancy |
| [17:05:25] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will autodetect the IP of the HDHR based off the 8-digit serial on the back |
| [17:05:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: can you set a static ip within the config? (while its dhcp'ing) |
| [17:05:38] | wagnerrp: | so theres no need to give it a static address |
| [17:05:54] | wagnerrp: | no, there is no internal storage of an IP address |
| [17:05:58] | clever: | ahh |
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| [17:06:06] | clever: | so it must always have dhcp to function |
| [17:06:14] | wagnerrp: | (theres also no reset button that would allow them to ever provide such a capability) |
| [17:06:34] | clever: | i would just give the box its own network card on the backend |
| [17:06:42] | clever: | and setup dhcp to run privatly on that card alone |
| [17:06:43] | markl_: | ok, i'll play with it at lunch time. i was a little worried because the mythtv admin interface wants an ip address |
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| [17:09:15] | clever: | wagnerrp: this reminds me, ive setup dhcpd to do weird things in the past, serving 2 subnets on the same network |
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| [17:16:13] | wagnerrp: | markl_: no, it wants an IP address OR the serial number on the bottom of the unit |
| [17:16:27] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will do autodetection of all units on the network |
| [17:16:45] | wagnerrp: | and when you go into mythtv-setup, it should provide a list of all found devices |
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| [17:18:27] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i cant think of any scenario in which an end user would want to not run a dhcp server |
| [17:19:21] | markl_: | because my home network is over engineered to sort of match our data center environment |
| [17:19:51] | clever: | ive got network booting here, so i MUST have dhcp |
| [17:19:51] | markl_: | and the mythtv box is on the same network that has the iscsi server it uses to store tv data |
| [17:19:52] | wagnerrp: | i mean at the very least, it lets you connect temporary machines without any significant effort |
| [17:20:01] | wagnerrp: | for instance if a friend comes over with a laptop |
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| [17:20:13] | markl_: | i have a separate network for that but mythtv isn't on it |
| [17:20:32] | wagnerrp: | and iscsi and dhcp play just fine together |
| [17:20:37] | clever: | ah, a DMZ for untrusted people:P |
| [17:20:49] | wagnerrp: | not to mention you probably dont want to be running recordings to an iscsi share |
| [17:20:53] | markl_: | for awhile there i had 2 nics in the myth box, one for iscsi and the other was on the dhcp network, but i don't like that approach |
| [17:21:02] | wagnerrp: | considering only one machine will be able to access said share |
| [17:21:02] | markl_: | iscsi works great |
| [17:21:19] | wagnerrp: | you have no choice but to stream to the SBE, and then out to the frontend |
| [17:21:35] | wagnerrp: | you cant just stream from the iscsi server directly |
| [17:21:57] | clever: | wagnerrp: it would need to be formated with an FS that supports iscsi's sharing of the block device |
| [17:22:05] | wilberfan: | i just noticed my frontend is idling at 6% — is that normal?? |
| [17:22:06] | clever: | if it was, then every frontend could just mount it localy |
| [17:22:16] | wilberfan: | o.O |
| [17:22:37] | markl_: | wagnerrp: ya i am not a typical user, i am using mythtv to experiement with san fabric & policies |
| [17:22:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: mine is at 5.3% and its just sitting at the watch recordings list |
| [17:22:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of any file system that allows the same disk to be mounted r/w multiple times simultaneously |
| [17:22:45] | clever: | 1 static frame |
| [17:22:52] | wilberfan: | what would it be doing that needed that many cycles? |
| [17:22:54] | markl_: | wagnerrp: GFS |
| [17:23:14] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was a shared file system |
| [17:23:20] | wagnerrp: | consisting of several disks on several nodes |
| [17:23:30] | wagnerrp: | but each individual disk was still only expected to be mounted once |
| [17:23:35] | markl_: | no, gfs mounts the same iscsi share read/write on all the cluster nodes |
| [17:23:43] | markl_: | and has a daemon for locking |
| [17:24:15] | markl_: | quite painful actually |
| [17:24:24] | clever: | that reminds me, ive seen info on how to run lvm on iscsi |
| [17:24:30] | markl_: | but fun, i had that set up for awhile here |
| [17:24:35] | markl_: | but not for myth |
| [17:24:54] | markl_: | clever: iscsi just shows up as a block device, so you can partition it however you like |
| [17:25:09] | markl_: | lvm or fdisk or whatever |
| [17:25:30] | clever: | markl_: yeh, the doc said the expected stuff like only 1 node can run the lvm userspace tools at once, and if you make changes while others are live you have to manualy re-scan the changes from them |
| [17:25:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got a number of machines running off a 7GB image, 1GB swap and 6GB FS |
| [17:26:06] | clever: | markl_: it was mostly how to get many systems using the same lvm partitioning safely |
| [17:27:21] | markl_: | ya you really don't want to share iscsi devices read/write |
| [17:27:34] | markl_: | just use nfs |
| [17:27:48] | clever: | yeah, ive done lvm over NBD before |
| [17:28:14] | clever: | while it does work, you can screw up the whole lvm array if the NBD connection fails while in use |
| [17:28:18] | clever: | and every PV must be online to activate it |
| [17:29:25] | clever: | the only time i ever need NBD under lvm, is when i'm replacing a PV and need 5 disks in the box |
| [17:29:33] | clever: | pata cant do 5 |
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| [17:44:37] | xaxes: | hey there.. have problems with starting live-tv.. I tried to fix myth-tables, but I cant find the scripts in mythtv 0.22.. where are they? |
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| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | youre probably looking for something in contrib |
| [17:45:40] | wagnerrp: | although chances are that optimize_database.pl will not fix your problem |
| [17:45:43] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [17:46:19] | xaxes: | opt*.pl fixes most of my problems with mythtv :) .. but Ill look for logs ;) thanks |
| [17:46:37] | xaxes: | bye ;) |
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| [17:49:51] | trumee: | does anybody understand how amd name their processors. I am planning to buy an ASUS M3N78-EM, but dont what processor to use with it. |
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| [17:50:49] | trumee: | i have this option http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166519, 3Ghz seem to be good, but is it dual core and why is it so cheap. |
| [17:52:21] | wagnerrp: | its so cheap because thats just how much a dual core processor costs you these days |
| [17:52:23] | trumee: | is the above processor, AMD Athlon II X2 250 Socket AM3 3.0GHz 2MB L2 not 64 bit |
| [17:53:37] | trumee: | my intel e6600 which is only 2.4 ghz is much more expensive than that. |
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| [17:53:52] | wagnerrp: | thats because its a 3 year old chip |
| [17:54:07] | trumee: | i think there is something about amd naming which i dont understand. |
| [17:54:12] | wagnerrp: | back when dual cores were still considered high end |
| [17:54:33] | wagnerrp: | this chip is cheap because its small |
| [17:54:41] | wagnerrp: | it only has the 1MB of cache |
| [17:55:03] | wagnerrp: | rather than the Phenom2 545 (nearly identical processor) with an additional 6MB of L3 |
| [17:55:20] | markl_: | what is the coolest running dual core you can get? |
| [17:55:28] | markl_: | anything that is possible to run fanless? |
| [17:55:36] | markl_: | without ridiculous cooling |
| [17:55:43] | trumee: | which is a better processor among these, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 LE, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon IIX2, Athlon IIX3, Athlon IIX4, Athlon X2, Athlon X2 BE, Phenom. |
| [17:56:15] | wagnerrp: | markl_: trying to run fanless is a worthless prospect |
| [17:56:32] | trumee: | Can somebody chronologically list the above processors. |
| [17:56:39] | wagnerrp: | you have to have a ridiculously large heatsink to do so, even with a ~30W Atom system |
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| [17:57:03] | trumee: | with intel i know E6600 > E6400. with amd is there any convention. |
| [17:57:32] | wagnerrp: | Athlon 64, Athlon 64 LE, and Athlon 64 X2 are the oldest |
| [17:57:38] | Makere: | on amd it's costs more the better |
| [17:57:41] | wagnerrp: | generally 754 and 939 socket |
| [17:57:58] | wagnerrp: | the LE is a reduced cache version, similar to the sempron |
| [17:58:12] | Makere: | 754 and 939 are dead already |
| [17:58:28] | wagnerrp: | the Athlon X2 and X2 BE are all AM2 chips |
| [17:58:44] | trumee: | What is AM2 + socket (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160925) |
| [17:58:44] | wagnerrp: | the BE is for 'business edition', generally lower clockrate and lower power |
| [17:59:03] | trumee: | is AM2+ 754 or 939? |
| [17:59:12] | wagnerrp: | the phenoms were the old high end chip |
| [17:59:28] | wagnerrp: | basically an AM2 athlon with additional cache |
| [17:59:51] | wagnerrp: | the Athlon IIs and Phenom IIs have the same relationship |
| [18:00:05] | wagnerrp: | the Phenoms are the same as the Athlons but with additional L3 cache |
| [18:00:52] | wagnerrp: | AM2 and AM3 chips and boards are for the most part cross compatible |
| [18:01:12] | wagnerrp: | you can run either on either, but at a reduced feature set and performance of the higher end part |
| [18:01:18] | trumee: | so Phenom > Athlon II. What is X2/X3/X4. |
| [18:01:50] | wagnerrp: | Phenom II > Athlon II > Phenom > Athlon |
| [18:01:56] | wagnerrp: | dual/tri/quad core |
| [18:02:27] | trumee: | ah!. |
| [18:02:57] | wagnerrp: | markl_: if you want 'quiet', your best option is to get a big case, a big heatsink, and a big slow fan |
| [18:03:05] | yfaykya: | hi – If I see "Disabled deinterlacing" a few times a second during playback with -v playback where should I be looking at for debug/fix? |
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| [18:03:37] | trumee: | wagnerrp, so a AMD Athlon II X2 250 Socket AM3 3.0GHz 2MB L2 is a dual core chip running at 3GHz? |
| [18:03:49] | wagnerrp: | correct |
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| [18:04:39] | wagnerrp: | although the Athlon II chips are a bit of a gamble |
| [18:04:56] | trumee: | wagnerrp, i want to get something in £50 to £55 price range. |
| [18:05:10] | wagnerrp: | they go through a binning process where the more stable chips get shuffled off to the 'e' (low power) versions |
| [18:05:34] | wagnerrp: | you could end up with one that wants the full 65W to run properly |
| [18:06:02] | wagnerrp: | you could end up with one that actually should have been an 'e', and could be undervolted for <40W operation |
| [18:06:15] | yfaykya: | hmmm.. Disabling video as timebase seems to have sorted it. I had that enabled for ages! |
| [18:07:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp, hmm. this is getting a bit confusing now. |
| [18:07:24] | justinh: | yfaykya: it was an experimental setting anyway, and now should no longer be used :) |
| [18:07:35] | trumee: | wagnerrp, hmm. The AMD Athlon II X2 250 Socket AM3 3.0GHz 2MB L2 is a 65W chip. is that not good? |
| [18:07:37] | yfaykya: | heh |
| [18:07:43] | yfaykya: | noted! |
| [18:08:01] | wagnerrp: | trumee: thats just fine (especially considering the 45W chips are all being gobbled up by OEMs) |
| [18:08:21] | wagnerrp: | im just saying you could end up with the 65W chip you bought |
| [18:08:30] | wagnerrp: | or you could end up with something that runs much lower wattage |
| [18:08:35] | trumee: | wagnerrp, so 45W chip is not good? |
| [18:08:51] | wagnerrp: | its all the same chip |
| [18:09:13] | wagnerrp: | you just get a lot of them that are binned to one speed/wattage or another based off a handful of them in the lot being tested |
| [18:09:54] | wagnerrp: | when you manufacturer something like that, youre going to get good batches and bad batches |
| [18:09:56] | pac0: | hi all |
| [18:10:10] | pac0: | i wanna remove dvbloopback but cant find the correct way |
| [18:10:16] | trumee: | what about this chip, AMD Athlon II 425 X3 Socket AM3 512MB L2 Cache |
| [18:10:18] | wagnerrp: | and they get distributed through the 215–250[e] range based off how well they perform |
| [18:10:31] | trumee: | is it better than AMD Athlon II X2 250 Socket AM3 3.0GHz 2MB L2 |
| [18:10:31] | SubSpawn: | mmm I still got the old AMD BE 2350... discontinued rightnow |
| [18:10:35] | wagnerrp: | do you do something that can use a tri-core chip? |
| [18:10:36] | SubSpawn: | runs perfect fanless |
| [18:10:40] | SubSpawn: | just on heatsink |
| [18:10:53] | SubSpawn: | has problems coping with 1080p without VPDAU tho :( |
| [18:11:00] | trumee: | no, the PC is only for an htpc. |
| [18:11:21] | wagnerrp: | SubSpawn: its not fanless, youve got the PSU fan and other case fans drawing air through it |
| [18:11:21] | trumee: | wont run anything except combined myth BE/FE. |
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| [18:11:31] | wagnerrp: | trumee: i mean video processing/decoding |
| [18:11:41] | wagnerrp: | are you doing anything that can take advantage of multiple cores |
| [18:11:53] | SubSpawn: | wagnerrp: custom built, scythe something cooler without the fan, and no PSU fan anymore. Disk is small SSD as well |
| [18:12:22] | trumee: | i will do whatever myth does. mythcomm i think will be the heaviest application. |
| [18:12:31] | wagnerrp: | right now, thats limited to multiple simultaneous commflagging/transcode jobs or running sliced h264/vc1 |
| [18:13:18] | trumee: | wagnerrp, so 3 cores will not help? |
| [18:13:28] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to do either of those? |
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| [18:14:00] | SubSpawn: | mmm transcode still doesn't go multicore by now? |
| [18:14:01] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to play bluray/hddvd? |
| [18:14:19] | trumee: | wagnerrp, no i dont think so, i will have only a single mythcomm running at one time. And no i am not going to use a bluray. |
| [18:14:32] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to watch h264 DVB broadcasts? (i cant speak on how commonly those are sliced) |
| [18:14:51] | wagnerrp: | justinh may know more about that |
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| [18:15:24] | trumee: | wagnerrp, no hd broadcast. but certainly mkv files. |
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| [18:17:02] | trumee: | wagnerrp, the 3 core chip is rated as 95W. |
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| [18:17:17] | wagnerrp: | considering you encoded those mkv files, you should know whether they were sliced or not |
| [18:18:36] | trumee: | wagnerrp, i simply use makemkv, dont know how many slices it makes. :) |
| [18:18:51] | wagnerrp: | makemkv does not transcode |
| [18:19:11] | wagnerrp: | it simply rips the existing video out of an ISO, and remuxes it into an mkv |
| [18:19:17] | trumee: | wagnerrp, yup thats is right. |
| [18:19:30] | wagnerrp: | so you either have mpeg2 from DVDs, which is not sliced, but is easy enough to decode anyway |
| [18:19:45] | wagnerrp: | or h264/vc1 from bluray/hddvd which will be sliced |
| [18:20:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp, yes most of them are DVDs. But if i transcode to h.264, will that still be ok? |
| [18:20:06] | frodef: | anyone have an idea how it can be that a single row in the "recorded" db table can cause two entries in the "recorded programs" list in mythweb and the recording listing in the frontend? |
| [18:20:38] | wagnerrp: | if you transcode a dvd to h264, you will likely be doing so at sufficiently low bitrates that slicing is not something you have to be concerned with |
| [18:20:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp, my intention is to create smaller h.264 files from dvds. |
| [18:21:16] | trumee: | wagnerrp, ok, it seems we are zeroing on the two core chip. |
| [18:21:33] | wagnerrp: | unless you are doing one of the two things i mentioned above |
| [18:21:38] | wagnerrp: | dual core is what you want |
| [18:21:47] | SubSpawn: | even if you go for near-no-quality-loss from dvd source, still result won't be heavy enough to choke one core imho |
| [18:22:24] | wagnerrp: | a quantizer of 18 is said to be effectively lossless |
| [18:22:40] | wagnerrp: | and will usually result in 2–2.5mbps at D1 resolution |
| [18:22:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: h,264 broadcasting is usually sliced AFAIK |
| [18:23:12] | wagnerrp: | i thought someone was saying the 20mbps stuff BBC was putting out for a while was single sliced |
| [18:23:35] | justinh: | think that was just the trial broadcasts |
| [18:23:43] | trumee: | The motherboard has vdpau support (geforce 8300), do that make things better. |
| [18:24:10] | wagnerrp: | if you have VDPAU, then decoding requirements are gone |
| [18:24:15] | SubSpawn: | wagnerrp: right, is sortof what I got out of dvd jobs, but decoding that on a single core of my BE2350 didn't push it through the roof |
| [18:25:17] | trumee: | wagnerrp, that is good news. |
| [18:26:05] | SubSpawn: | basically pushes alot of the load on our gpu |
| [18:26:08] | trumee: | wagnerrp, i can happily buy the 2 core processor then. |
| [18:26:24] | wagnerrp: | basically pushed all of the load onto the VPU |
| [18:26:34] | wagnerrp: | all thats left is audio decoding, and thats if you dont do passthrough |
| [18:27:16] | SubSpawn: | I'd still use the makemkv then and not read from BR source as encryption decoding takes its toll as well |
| [18:27:37] | wagnerrp: | decryption takes exactly no toll |
| [18:27:46] | SubSpawn: | no? |
| [18:28:01] | wagnerrp: | no, because it cannot be performed under linux |
| [18:28:10] | wagnerrp: | AnyDVD HD under windows is the only existing solution |
| [18:28:25] | SubSpawn: | unless with the ehm... sortof 'less than legal' patch from doom9 |
| [18:28:38] | SubSpawn: | dno if it's still there though |
| [18:28:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp, this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU says, select "Advanced (2x, Hw)" for best results. Geforce 8300 cannot do that according to the table. will that still be ok? |
| [18:28:49] | wagnerrp: | they support AACS, but only a handful of BD+ disks |
| [18:29:09] | wagnerrp: | trumee: it just means you run with a lesser deinterlacer |
| [18:29:45] | trumee: | wagnerrp, i see. the lesser de-interlacer can still do that job? |
| [18:29:56] | wagnerrp: | do what job? |
| [18:30:19] | trumee: | wagnerrp, decoding h.264 video via vdpau. |
| [18:30:19] | SubSpawn: | http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1327197 found it again |
| [18:30:32] | wagnerrp: | the deinterlacer does not do decoding |
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| [18:30:34] | justinh: | no linking to dodgy warez here please |
| [18:30:41] | wagnerrp: | the deinterlacer does deinterlacing |
| [18:31:00] | trumee: | wagnerrp, ok. i will admit i dont understand de-interlacers very much :) |
| [18:31:13] | wagnerrp: | do you understand what interlacing is? |
| [18:31:18] | SubSpawn: | for decryption I tought it would be sort of the same on linux as under windows; 25–30% penalty |
| [18:31:45] | SubSpawn: | justinh: srry... isn't really warez imho, but understand your point of view |
| [18:31:46] | wagnerrp: | SubSpawn: well either way, there is no on-the-fly solution for decryption+playback |
| [18:32:00] | justinh: | it's not my point of view. it's the rules of the channel |
| [18:32:09] | wagnerrp: | and there is no linux solution for the BR disk structure either |
| [18:32:20] | wagnerrp: | so youre going to end up just playing that single large video file |
| [18:32:41] | wagnerrp: | either the single m2ts, or a catted evob (or one of those muxed into another container) |
| [18:33:38] | SubSpawn: | mmm true |
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| [18:38:04] | justinh: | in some ways (if you 'hate' freedom) it might be cool if nvidia could somehow roll up bluray playback into their driver |
| [18:38:20] | justinh: | but then there are folks who'd say they're rather go without |
| [18:38:30] | justinh: | s/they're/they'd/ |
| [18:38:48] | justinh: | and it's kinda beyond nvidia's remit |
| [18:39:04] | justinh: | me, I just want stuff to work. Not really fussed *how* |
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| [18:55:26] | oobe: | http://bluraysucks.com/ |
| [18:57:09] | devinheitmueller: | I really like all the surveys that have been done which demonstrate that the mass majority of users cannot tell the difference between a BluRay version and the DVD version in terms of quality. |
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| [19:01:28] | oobe: | devinheitmueller, apparently if someone uses a blu ray player without using hdmi the image is down scaled to SD so its likely there are a few users like that around |
| [19:05:34] | devinheitmueller: | I don't doubt that's true, but I doubt that the studios wouldn't have factored that in. In the one I saw, they actually did the setup and then asked the users to tell them which was DVD and which was BluRay. |
| [19:06:37] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [19:06:55] | devinheitmueller: | s/studios/studies/ |
| [19:06:58] | oobe: | some ppl cant tell the difference i believe that |
| [19:07:39] | devinheitmueller: | I think the real issue is people think of the difference between broadcast television and HD TV, and think they will see the same differential in quality between DVD and BluRay. |
| [19:08:01] | wagnerrp: | i really like the surveys that show people still running 800x600 and 1024x768 on nice new big monitors |
| [19:08:14] | wagnerrp: | people are blind and dont know better |
| [19:09:32] | XLV: | devinheitmueller, difference between 1080p and 480p in a hd ready ( not even a 1080p ) display the difference is obvious, you got to be blind not to notice it |
| [19:09:49] | wagnerrp: | XLV: see above comment |
| [19:10:50] | XLV: | wagnerrp, for desktop? i dont think so, cause most monitors distort heavily when using 1024x768 on any lcd monitor when not used in its native res, it would annoy them and they would change it |
| [19:11:11] | XLV: | for movies and games, the difference isnt that obvious to force them to search it |
| [19:11:45] | wagnerrp: | i go over to my aunt and uncles house where they have a nice big 24" 1080p LCD |
| [19:12:03] | wagnerrp: | theyre running it at 1440x900 because the original resolution was 'too small' |
| [19:12:21] | XLV: | .. :-) i stand corrected then |
| [19:12:32] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the fact that the resolution they were running at blurred the image sufficiently that it was no easier to read than at native |
| [19:13:17] | XLV: | you fixed it atleast? set the lcd to its native res, and increase font size? |
| [19:13:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and told them never to touch that again |
| [19:13:46] | XLV: | one down |
| [19:13:48] | XLV: | million to go |
| [19:18:21] | Dibblah: | Font size is _not_ a solution on Windows. |
| [19:18:37] | Dibblah: | Many, many apps break *horribly* with non-default font size. |
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| [19:29:42] | justinh: | heh the amount of people I know who run their LCDs at the wrong res or aspect. Makes me smile inside |
| [19:30:05] | justinh: | Dibblah: any decent app ignores font size settings anyway IME |
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| [19:39:21] | dserban: | what's a decent site that sells home theater cabling etc? |
| [19:39:47] | Dibblah: | www.dealextreme.com |
| [19:39:58] | dserban: | i see monoprice, but I remember being on some other site that was more comprehensive... |
| [19:39:59] | wagnerrp: | www.monoprice.com |
| [19:40:06] | dserban: | Dibblah: seriously? heh.. |
| [19:40:51] | Dibblah: | Sure. |
| [19:41:03] | justinh: | I can vouch for dealextreme.com :) |
| [19:41:07] | Dibblah: | (not sureelectronics, which is great for other stuff) |
| [19:41:55] | ** frodef was just surfing dealextreme :) ** | |
| [19:42:05] | justinh: | dserban: you don't need to spend daft money on OFC cables etc. Anything better than what's supplied with gear is generally good enough |
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| [19:42:19] | dserban: | Dibblah, yeah I've used it before, I just want to find good cable splitters/amplifier stuff |
| [19:42:29] | justinh: | the 'skin effect' etc is utter poppycock at audio & video frequencies |
| [19:42:35] | dserban: | justinh: yeah I've been reading the intarwebs too much |
| [19:42:49] | Dibblah: | The skin effect is real. |
| [19:42:55] | Dibblah: | ... Many companies use it. |
| [19:42:58] | dserban: | wtf is the skin effect? |
| [19:43:08] | justinh: | Dibblah: sure, but it doesn't apply to hifi & home video |
| [19:43:17] | justinh: | not so'd you'd notice |
| [19:43:18] | Dibblah: | "If you give us your wallet, we'll skin you too!" |
| [19:43:51] | justinh: | you know how they make OFC copper cables? They take ordinary copper & add snake oil :D |
| [19:43:59] | Dibblah: | There _is_ a point to OFC. |
| [19:44:12] | Dibblah: | But it doesn't add anything like 10x to the price. |
| [19:45:48] | dserban: | hdmi cables look pretty pricey, though right now I'm on the hunt for 6 1ft – 3ft rg6 cables with compression connectors |
| [19:45:54] | justinh: | bleh |
| [19:45:58] | justinh: | HDMI cables can be cheap too |
| [19:46:20] | justinh: | if it has a genuine HDMI mark on it – i.e. it's certfied – it's all you need |
| [19:46:23] | justinh: | and even then.. |
| [19:46:45] | dserban: | I guess you just gotta know where to shop. |
| [19:46:49] | justinh: | but it this way, if the cable is awful enough to lose bits you'll see it all the time |
| [19:46:58] | dserban: | (Which I don't) |
| [19:47:07] | wagnerrp: | is there any advantage of those compression connectors from just standard crimp-on ends? |
| [19:47:29] | justinh: | probably in terms of robustness |
| [19:47:42] | dserban: | wagnerrp: Just reading the interweb, most techs say you lose signal through leakage via crimp-on's.. |
| [19:48:09] | justinh: | dserban: you *can* lose signal through crimped connectors but not if they're done properly with the right tool |
| [19:48:09] | wagnerrp: | what leakage? |
| [19:48:29] | wagnerrp: | the bare conductor in the wire is what connects to the part |
| [19:48:34] | dserban: | seeing that there are 6 stb's stacked on top of one another, i'd prefer to have good connections to all of them |
| [19:48:35] | justinh: | generally crimping faults are shorts & opens. Stray screening strands etc |
| [19:48:45] | wagnerrp: | the crimp-on connector makes no connection to the signal |
| [19:48:48] | wagnerrp: | its only the shield |
| [19:49:12] | justinh: | open screens can cause losses sure |
| [19:49:34] | wagnerrp: | unless you manage to crush through the dielectric, and contact conductor to shield |
| [19:50:19] | justinh: | it's pretty hard to go wrong with crimping tbh |
| [19:50:23] | justinh: | but people do :) |
| [19:50:27] | dserban: | I don't really know. I'm just spewing what google told me. |
| [19:50:54] | wagnerrp: | google just indexes forum posts from people who spend too much time thinking about such things |
| [19:50:56] | dserban: | I was imagining stray rf signals getting into .. the signal somehow. |
| [19:51:34] | dserban: | hah yeah, i ran into bad signal in my house, so I'm trying to ensure good reception to all of the boxes. |
| [19:52:11] | wagnerrp: | just make sure youve got a nice clean amp of sufficient power output |
| [19:53:53] | dserban: | i have a 10db from ages ago, I'm gonna give it a try, but without tools to measure signal etc, I don't really know what I'm doing. Though I've read that it may be a bad idea as it might kill my out signal from my cable modem. Though it's going to be linked to the line after the modem, so I'll see how it does. |
| [19:54:47] | wagnerrp: | you have to have a special amp designed to properly handle the upstream frequencies from the cable modem |
| [19:54:54] | wagnerrp: | or put the cable modem upstream of the amp |
| [19:55:16] | wagnerrp: | standard analog cable amps will attenuate the upstream from the cable modem |
| [19:56:16] | dserban: | upstream of the amp is what I was planning. |
| [19:57:12] | Dibblah: | Also, cable is notoriously bad for ground loops. |
| [19:57:21] | dserban: | so as long as the cable modem is on a separate line than the amp I should be good to go right? |
| [19:57:30] | dserban: | ground loops? how? |
| [19:57:38] | Dibblah: | Search. |
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| [19:57:48] | jamiem: | hello :) |
| [19:57:49] | wagnerrp: | ground loop means the ground from the cable is not true ground |
| [19:57:56] | wagnerrp: | but is operating at a voltage bias |
| [19:58:01] | Dibblah: | No cable is true ground. |
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| [19:58:35] | Dibblah: | And no, DC bias is not the problem. |
| [19:58:40] | markl_: | thanks for the hd homerun advice, i set it up with dhcp and it is working! |
| [19:58:55] | markl_: | my next problem – when mythtv is up, the gnome panel is on top of it |
| [19:59:00] | Dibblah: | It's that various things induce AC current in the "ground" wire. |
| [19:59:06] | markl_: | is there an easy setting for that in mythtv? |
| [19:59:20] | jamiem: | I'm confused: select count(*) from recorded gives 1148 |
| [19:59:42] | jamiem: | but find storage -type -f -iname *.mpg | wc -l gives 1158 |
| [19:59:44] | wagnerrp: | ok, ill cede to you on that one, i tried to avoid the electrical stuff in physics |
| [19:59:54] | ** wagnerrp prefers mechanical and fluid systems ** | |
| [19:59:58] | markl_: | and this first mp3/flac scan is taking forever, i hope the later scans aren't so slow |
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| [20:00:12] | dserban: | Hmm I see. So cable by default isn't grounded? |
| [20:00:16] | jamiem: | and when I do select basename,title,subtitle FROM recorded WHERE basename LIKE "$basename" for those filenames, every one gives a result of a title,subtitle etc. |
| [20:00:35] | wagnerrp: | markl_: its just because it has to scan each file individual for their respective tags |
| [20:00:38] | jamiem: | there are no LiveTV lines |
| [20:00:54] | wagnerrp: | there are no livetv lines |
| [20:00:59] | markl_: | wagnerrp: will subsequent scans be faster? myth 0.21 wasn't this slow |
| [20:01:03] | wagnerrp: | livetv is nothing more than a recording |
| [20:01:07] | ** squidly giggles ** | |
| [20:01:17] | markl_: | but maybe i just forgot how slow the first scan was back in spring 2008 |
| [20:01:20] | jamiem: | and if I | uniq the filenames list I still get 1158 filenames |
| [20:01:59] | wagnerrp: | then you have orphaned files in your folder that for some reason did not get deleted when removed from the database |
| [20:02:06] | squidly: | but to be honist it's not hard to build |
| [20:02:07] | wagnerrp: | there is a script in contrib to clean those up |
| [20:02:08] | squidly: | oops |
| [20:02:18] | jamiem: | wagnerrp: oh is there; I thought it was the other way around |
| [20:02:19] | ** jamiem looks ** | |
| [20:02:40] | wagnerrp: | it swings both ways |
| [20:02:44] | jamiem: | kinky |
| [20:02:52] | jamiem: | is it called orphans.pl? |
| [20:02:59] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [20:03:00] | jamiem: | find_orphans.pl |
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| [20:07:20] | keith4: | when you pass find_orphans.pl the --dodbdelete, what is that equivalent to? "delete and allow re-record?" |
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| [20:08:08] | bradd_: | i am trying tp use graphite w/ fanart on multiple frontends where the fanart/poster/banner directories are nfs mounted on the frontends. should the fanart work on all the frontends? its working on one and on the other im getting Error loading image to scale |
| [20:11:33] | Brad-D: | bradd_: any reason you are using nfs mounts instead of storage groups? |
| [20:11:59] | jamiem: | 947 orphaned thumbnails with no corresponding recording |
| [20:12:00] | bradd_: | nice name firstly :) |
| [20:12:03] | jamiem: | hmm something not right there |
| [20:12:10] | Brad-D: | hahaha, i was thinking the same thing about you |
| [20:12:12] | jamiem: | 488 unknown files using 655.2GB not fixed, check above and use --dodelete to clean up if the above output is accurate |
| [20:12:43] | bradd_: | i guess i use nfs because it "Just Works" for me and I understand nfs. havent really dicked around with storage groups at all |
| [20:13:31] | bradd_: | i am not opposed to storage groups |
| [20:13:34] | Brad-D: | ahh i'm afraid i don't know how art works in the nfs situation, i went with storage groups in .22, because it makes rolling out frontends much simpler |
| [20:14:12] | Brad-D: | i believe the only downside to storage groups is you are unable to play .iso files (But not a downside for me as i don't use that) |
| [20:14:19] | bradd_: | hmm |
| [20:14:22] | bradd_: | i do have iso files |
| [20:14:32] | Brad-D: | i would check out mythtv-setup, go to option 6 and look at storage groups |
| [20:14:39] | Brad-D: | ahhh, scratch that idea then |
| [20:15:14] | Brad-D: | i guess you will have to wait for someone more knowledgeable than me to wake up |
| [20:15:32] | Brad-D: | hopefully wagnerrp is around, he generally has a grasp on everything myth related, lol |
| [20:16:41] | wagnerrp: | i do? |
| [20:18:07] | wagnerrp: | bradd_: if you dont have an ISOs, you should consider switching to storage groups |
| [20:18:07] | wagnerrp: | as thats the general direction mythtv is headed |
| [20:18:13] | wagnerrp: | within mythvideo, fanart/posters/banners will work just fine over NFS if you have the proper directories set in the mythvideo settings |
| [20:18:29] | kormoc: | iso streaming doesn't work over the myth protocol but should work if it's local |
| [20:18:31] | kormoc: | afaik |
| [20:18:36] | wagnerrp: | now such information in on the recordings screen? i dont know |
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| [20:19:11] | bradd_: | i have the proper settins in mythvideo...its the same on both frontends. the mount points are the same, etc |
| [20:19:24] | bradd_: | on my mac frontend im just getting Error loading image to scale |
| [20:19:29] | wagnerrp: | bradd_: then it should show up |
| [20:19:55] | GlemSom: | mythweb doesn't seem to show "conflicts" in upcoming recordings... (Though, when looking in the listings – it's clearly marked with a red border)... Is this a known bug? |
| [20:20:30] | bradd_: | Error loading image to scale, from file: /media/video/posters/The Simpsons_coverart.jpg |
| [20:20:36] | wagnerrp: | GlemSom: do you have the 'conflicts' box checked off at the top of the page? |
| [20:20:38] | Brad-D: | bradd: do you get any errors from the mythfrontend log output? |
| [20:20:46] | Brad-D: | permissions? |
| [20:20:52] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, It's check on atm |
| [20:21:08] | bradd_: | [3:20pm]> ls -l "/media/video/posters/The Simpsons_coverart.jpg" |
| [20:21:08] | bradd_: | -rw-r--r-- 1 1000 1000 185392 Sep 18 08:18 /media/video/posters/The Simpsons_coverart.jpg |
| [20:22:00] | ** kormoc needs to get time to fix all these bugs ** | |
| [20:22:25] | wagnerrp: | and add SG support |
| [20:22:39] | wagnerrp: | man... you know if you just rewrote it in python, the bindings would provide that...:P |
| [20:23:00] | Brad-D: | bradd: do you have this problem with all frontends? Or just your mac one? |
| [20:23:25] | bradd_: | well i only have the 2 ...the one that works(linux) and the mac one |
| [20:23:44] | bradd_: | i do have another linux VM i can try |
| [20:24:06] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: was that an email to you personally? or is it on record somewhere on gossamer threads? |
| [20:24:36] | Brad-D: | bradd: i'm afraid we are at my knowledge limit, it looks to me like it should work |
| [20:24:56] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: there's a fair pile I have in emails, aye, sadly undocumented |
| [20:25:03] | bradd_: | indeed |
| [20:25:24] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im referring to the 'i demand you rewrite in python, thats the open source way' |
| [20:25:33] | kormoc: | ahh, that was personal to me sadly |
| [20:26:04] | Brad-D: | kormoc: as long as people are demanding things. I *demand* you rewrite mythweb in Turing |
| [20:26:06] | Brad-D: | ;) |
| [20:26:12] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:26:17] | wagnerrp: | 'turing' is a language? |
| [20:26:28] | Brad-D: | it was what i learned on in grade9 programming |
| [20:26:29] | Brad-D: | haha |
| [20:26:49] | meshe: | no, it needs to be rewritten in Ook |
| [20:26:59] | meshe: | http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html |
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| [20:28:00] | wagnerrp: | erm... 'well-known esoteric'? |
| [20:28:19] | Wicked: | how about lolcode http://lolcode.com/ |
| [20:28:54] | Wicked: | fizzbuzz in lolcode http://lolcode.com/contributions/cheezburger-fizzbuzz |
| [20:28:55] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:29:07] | Brad-D: | hahah lolcode looks awesome |
| [20:29:33] | Wicked: | lol. |
| [20:30:13] | Dagmar: | It's bullsh*t |
| [20:30:21] | Dagmar: | They rejected 'DO NOT WANT' as a destructor. |
| [20:30:26] | Dagmar: | FAIL. |
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| [20:30:31] | meshe: | lol |
| [20:30:31] | markl_: | ok any idea why video manager can't find video files? it just says no files found |
| [20:30:43] | markl_: | even though there are plenty in the directory i specified |
| [20:30:52] | meshe: | that's pretty good |
| [20:30:55] | markl_: | it found the music files just fine |
| [20:31:10] | meshe: | did you scan the directory? |
| [20:31:11] | wagnerrp: | markl_: you hit 'i' and chose 'scan for files'? |
| [20:31:25] | wagnerrp: | there is no automated scan when you enter the video manager any longer |
| [20:31:38] | jamiem: | proper confused :S |
| [20:31:40] | wagnerrp: | and TBH, i thought the video manager was removed from setup all together |
| [20:31:48] | iamlindoro: | It was |
| [20:31:51] | wagnerrp: | becoming just one view accessible through the menu |
| [20:31:54] | iamlindoro: | sounds like running an RC |
| [20:32:01] | iamlindoro: | (ie MythBuntu 9.10) |
| [20:32:05] | markl_: | in 0.21 it scanned whenever i went into video manager, maybe that changed in 0.22 |
| [20:32:16] | iamlindoro: | that's exactly what people are telling you |
| [20:32:18] | wagnerrp: | read the migration guide on the wiki |
| [20:32:19] | jamiem: | aha |
| [20:32:25] | markl_: | but when i hit i the only option is to play videos |
| [20:32:29] | Dagmar: | Read it aloud if that'll help |
| [20:32:31] | markl_: | ok i'll check the wiki |
| [20:32:47] | wagnerrp: | dagmar: thats only for comments on youtube |
| [20:32:58] | Dagmar: | Who knows? It might work |
| [20:33:09] | iamlindoro: | markl_: Hit M |
| [20:33:18] | iamlindoro: | In any MythVideo view |
| [20:35:22] | markl_: | got it |
| [20:35:23] | markl_: | thanks |
| [20:35:47] | markl_: | ok maybe someone already answered this, but the gnome panel is on top of mythtv |
| [20:35:57] | markl_: | is there a setting for this in mythtv? |
| [20:36:33] | wagnerrp: | i cant even fathom *why* he wanted mythweb rewritten in python.... had he intended to write some additional code for it and that was the only language he knew? |
| [20:37:26] | wagnerrp: | i mean if you dont want to develop on it, why would you care what it was written in |
| [20:37:30] | iamlindoro: | markl_: Not a Myth issue, so no myth setting for it |
| [20:37:44] | iamlindoro: | That's strictly an issue with your windowing or compositing manager, most commonly with compiz |
| [20:38:04] | markl_: | ah ok i'll just turn that crap off |
| [20:38:18] | wagnerrp: | there should be plenty of posts on ubuntu forums asking about exactly that issue |
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| [20:43:08] | jamiem: | $ find . -name 13866_20090120205600.mpg |
| [20:43:08] | jamiem: | ./default2/13866_20090120205600.mpg |
| [20:43:08] | jamiem: | ./default3/13866_20090120205600.mpg |
| [20:43:14] | jamiem: | this is wrong, right? |
| [20:43:24] | jamiem: | 143373114 1366112 -rwxrwxr-x 1 jamie jamie 1398893900 Jan 20 2009 ./default2/13866_20090120205600.mpg |
| [20:43:24] | jamiem: | 7738937 0 -rwx------ 1 jamie jamie 0 Jul 9 02:21 ./default3/13866_20090120205600.mpg |
| [20:43:28] | jamiem: | :O zero length files |
| [20:43:30] | wagnerrp: | three copies in three separate storage groups? probably |
| [20:43:36] | wagnerrp: | also, dont paste multiple lines in here |
| [20:43:37] | jamiem: | two |
| [20:45:19] | jamiem: | so the good news is that my duplicates/orphans are zero length |
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| [20:48:40] | GlemSom: | hmm streaming an ongoing recording is broken aswell in mythweb... :( Guess it's better to wait for 0.23 then... (good thing i kept a backup) :D |
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| [20:49:06] | wagnerrp: | it should work just fine, it will just stall when you hit the end of where you were when it started |
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| [21:24:38] | justinh: | so, uk dvb-t scanning emergency averted today then? the sky didn't fall in etc. Heh |
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| [21:36:04] | antgel: | i want to see my signal strength, but default Alt+F7 is bound by metacity or whatever the default gnome WM is. so changed to Ctrl+Alt+F7, but it doesn't display anything. does this functionality work? |
| [21:37:11] | justinh: | use femon |
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| [21:38:31] | antgel: | don't know anything about it, will have a look. so, er, does it not work in myth? |
| [21:38:44] | justinh: | no idea |
| [21:39:00] | justinh: | but I'd rather use a commandline tool than some mad key combo |
| [21:39:04] | antgel: | "No manual entry for femon" |
| [21:39:26] | antgel: | any chance i can get it to display decimals not hex? |
| [21:39:28] | justinh: | just run femon |
| [21:39:32] | justinh: | or femon --help |
| [21:39:48] | antgel: | JUICY! |
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| [21:40:53] | antgel: | now i know which way is up and which is down on this attenuator ;) |
| [21:41:21] | devinheitmueller: | antgel: the problem with showing it in decimal is that the value means something different for every product. |
| [21:41:33] | antgel: | devinheitmueller: not a problem in my use case |
| [21:41:41] | devinheitmueller: | Hence the raw value is shown, and it's up to you to interpret what it means. |
| [21:42:27] | justinh: | if I unplug the aerial from any of my tuners (I have 3 different makes & models) the signal level jumps to FFFF :P |
| [21:42:48] | iamlindoro: | That's a visual representation of the sounds on every channel, justinh |
| [21:42:53] | iamlindoro: | FFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| [21:42:59] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: on many devices, the SNR indicators are meaningless when there is no signal lock, and most of the drivers improperly represent that condition. |
| [21:43:02] | dustybin: | genius |
| [21:43:03] | dustybin: | http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ |
| [21:43:27] | bradd_: | iamlindora: do you happen to know if fanart is supposed to work on the mac os x frontend? |
| [21:43:35] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: signal level is actually from the AGC voltage usually |
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| [21:43:41] | ** iamlindoro is in the masculine, not the feminine ** | |
| [21:43:45] | justinh: | bradd_: shoudln't matter |
| [21:43:50] | iamlindoro: | yeah, shouldn't mater |
| [21:43:51] | iamlindoro: | matter |
| [21:43:53] | bradd_: | hmmm |
| [21:43:57] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: that depends on the board. Using the term "usually" is very dangerous in this case. |
| [21:44:23] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: it's a very common practise. aka lazy design |
| [21:44:28] | bradd_: | Error loading image to scale, from file: /media/video/posters/The Simpsons_coverart.jpg |
| [21:44:35] | bradd_: | but the file exists |
| [21:44:37] | iamlindoro: | bradd_: Fanart is just another image in the frontend, there's nothing different or special about it |
| [21:44:47] | iamlindoro: | Broken Qt install? |
| [21:44:58] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: The practice varies greatly from driver to driver. But I agree that basing it on the AGC feedback is generally the best practice, since it would work with no signal lock. |
| [21:45:01] | wagnerrp: | wow, the sky just turned black with a flock of birds |
| [21:45:15] | bradd_: | i guess thats possible |
| [21:45:27] | justinh: | SNR is a different matter & I've only ever seen it back to front |
| [21:45:41] | bradd_: | everything else works so i didnt think it seemed likely |
| [21:45:45] | devinheitmueller: | having worked on eight or ten of the Linux demod drivers, I can tell you though that many of them do *not* follow that convention. |
| [21:46:25] | devinheitmueller: | ... in most cases because the demod was reverse engineered and the developer didn't know how to get the AGC feedback. |
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| [21:47:00] | justinh: | it's fair enough. I'm just saying not to take the numbers at face value too |
| [21:47:34] | antgel: | this new frontend has a little tearing, around 1/3 of the way down the screen. weird – it's exactly the same hardware as the other frontend which works perfectly |
| [21:47:47] | devinheitmueller: | The whole SNR/Strength thing is really frustrating... I've made several attempts to get enough consensus to fix it. |
| [21:47:51] | justinh: | antgel: sounds like you need to enable opengl vsync |
| [21:47:55] | antgel: | could it be something to do with my overscan compensation (using myth screen setup) |
| [21:48:25] | justinh: | antgel: I had it on my new box but even after changing the setting in nvidia settings it wouldn't take without restarting X :-\ |
| [21:48:55] | antgel: | justinh: ah, maybe. ISTR being annoyed that the frontend config needed to be set again for this box despite it being a clone of a working frontend (yes i know it's a feature) |
| [21:49:03] | justinh: | tried restarting mythfrontend after changing the setting. no dice. needed an X restart – then as if by magic.. it worked suddenly |
| [21:49:30] | justinh: | btw there are 2 places you need to set that AFAIK – in mythfrontend – and in nvidia-settings |
| [21:49:56] | tzanger: | I have never seen valid SNR readings |
| [21:49:56] | antgel: | AHA. it was set in mythfrontend. let me try n-s |
| [21:49:57] | tzanger: | ever |
| [21:50:05] | tzanger: | not on DVB-S, not on DVB-T |
| [21:50:10] | justinh: | mythfrontend setting will use it if it's available – but I don't think it's available til you put it in nvidia-settings |
| [21:50:22] | tzanger: | I get "300dB" SNR and signal (same value) on my HVR-2200 |
| [21:50:29] | antgel: | "sync to vblank"? |
| [21:50:32] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: you have my sympathy there. I once tried rallying people to rename 'video sources'. MEH |
| [21:50:42] | justinh: | antgel: think so yeah |
| [21:50:57] | iamlindoro: | In the words of my father, better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission |
| [21:50:59] | tzanger: | now mind you when it drops to 130 it's flaking out, so the numbers have some meaning... but trying to call it dB seems kind of pointless |
| [21:51:29] | justinh: | I might go digging & try to disable those values. they annoy me even when I'm testing tuners |
| [21:52:03] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: the SNR for the HVR-2200 measures in increments of 0.1 dB. So a value of "300" decimal means 30.0 dB. |
| [21:52:11] | tzanger: | that reminds me...I want to get back intothat driver |
| [21:52:14] | antgel: | justinh: still shite and flickery |
| [21:52:21] | tzanger: | I want to disable the AGC's gain section, but leavet he attenuator |
| [21:52:21] | justinh: | antgel: restart X |
| [21:52:24] | antgel: | did |
| [21:52:32] | tzanger: | the amp has worse noise figures than the amp I have |
| [21:52:45] | justinh: | tzanger: that'd need hardware mods :P |
| [21:52:55] | tzanger: | mind you if the driver is configured right the amp should be disabled already (and maybe attenuating) so maybe it's a moot point |
| [21:52:59] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: that is probably a function of the tuner as opposed to the demod. |
| [21:53:05] | tzanger: | but the datasheet for the frontend is so... wow horrible. |
| [21:53:24] | justinh: | don't think anybody would bother going to the expense of making tuner RF gain control software controllable. yikes |
| [21:53:26] | antgel: | justinh: any other bright ideas? |
| [21:53:31] | tzanger: | justinh: nah, the datasheet lists some figures on setting the AGC it's just not very intuitive |
| [21:53:34] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: the datasheet for the demod is not publicly available. The datasheet for the tuner is available, but it's a *really* complicated chip. |
| [21:53:48] | tzanger: | yes, ti is |
| [21:53:51] | justinh: | devinheitmueller, tzanger silicon tuner huh |
| [21:54:02] | tzanger: | and yes, it's the tuner I'm looking to screw with ;-) |
| [21:54:03] | justinh: | antgel: not right now no |
| [21:54:08] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: you mean the sh51411? |
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| [21:54:28] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: yeah, the tda18271 datasheet is available. |
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| [21:54:38] | tzanger: | the amp at the top of the mast is 26dB, even after a hundred feet of cable I'm sure i have more than enough signal that the tuner's AGC should be all the way down |
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| [21:54:46] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: yeah that sounds right |
| [21:54:53] | tzanger: | it was about 6 weeks ago that I was in there |
| [21:55:01] | justinh: | you'd need hellishly bad cable to lose 26db over a few hundred feet |
| [21:55:06] | tzanger: | justinh: :-) |
| [21:55:13] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: yeah, the demod is an s5h1411, for which there is no public datasheet. The tuner is the tda18271, for which there is a datasheet. |
| [21:55:17] | tzanger: | I am picking up stations 100+mi away |
| [21:55:52] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: you're the hvr2250 driver guy? |
| [21:55:59] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: if you find an actual issue with the tda18721 driver, feel free to send some mail to the linux-media mailing list and I'm confident that mkrufky will respond. |
| [21:56:09] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: btw are you aware of any issues with some drivers breaking a full scan in mythtv? saa7134-dvb specifically |
| [21:56:19] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: No, Steven Toth is the hvr2250 developer. But I have done work on the s5h1411. |
| [21:56:33] | tzanger: | oh I have no issues right now, the atsc stuff is working great, although it's kind of silly pulling in 4.3GB simpsons episodes :-) |
| [21:56:42] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: aha Steven Toth, now I remember the name |
| [21:56:43] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: not that I am aware of. I haven't had a chance to review the quality of the MythTV scanner though. |
| [21:56:53] | justinh: | I dunno if it's myth blaming a 'bad' driver or myth not doing something it should between changing frequencies (seems to be when it switches offsets) |
| [21:57:04] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: one thing I *have* noticed with dvbtune and this card is that sometimes it just won't tune |
| [21:57:23] | tzanger: | it'll sit and report 130dB (13dB) signal and same for SNR, with no lock |
| [21:57:25] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: There *is* an issue with frontend1 that is being actively debugged. |
| [21:57:39] | tzanger: | then if you sit there long enough it'll suddenly wake up and I'll have 30dB and a rock-solid signal |
| [21:57:51] | tzanger: | have not seen the issue with mythtv though or wtih w_scan |
| [21:57:57] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: 13dB is a *really* weak signal. it's not surprising it wouldn't lock. Also, the SNR register is not valid when there is no lock. |
| [21:58:00] | justinh: | I'd like to nail it, tuned scans work just fine but I can see it causing hair loss among newbies |
| [21:58:20] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: I'm not expecting a lock at 13dB; but the antenna/amp/cable isn't moving |
| [21:58:26] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: It's one of those cases I was talking about where the driver should be returning -ENOSIGNAL in the absence of lock, when in fact it is returning garbage. |
| [21:58:31] | tzanger: | it jsut won't lock... then *something* wakes up and all of a sudden it locks |
| [21:58:43] | trumee: | is there any easy to use program (hint not mencoder) to convert a dvd to h.264 |
| [21:58:49] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: interesting. I've always seen signal strength and SNR to be the same value |
| [21:58:49] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm.... |
| [21:58:56] | justinh: | trumee: handbrake |
| [21:59:08] | trumee: | justinh, thanks. |
| [21:59:14] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: on the s5h1411 driver, both the SNR and strength field return the SNR, which is admittedly pretty stupid. |
| [21:59:18] | justinh: | trumee: but watch out for some mythtv packages not supporting AAC audio out of the box |
| [21:59:22] | tzanger: | I was surprised though how much signal is lost through the roof (and 10' of height) |
| [21:59:24] | devinheitmueller: | It's a bug I spotted quite some time ago but never got around to fixing. |
| [21:59:33] | justinh: | apparently ubuntu's ffmpeg doesn't support AAC anymore. bleh |
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| [21:59:37] | antgel: | also just did UseEvents True, but no dice |
| [21:59:39] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: it's probablys omethign I could poke at and submit a patch to |
| [22:00:07] | trumee: | justinh, is aac a compiler option while compiling mythtv? |
| [22:00:09] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: there is actually already a test tree that mkrufky did that fixes various aspects of SNR/strength for most of the ATSC demods, which is why I haven't done it yet. |
| [22:00:23] | tzanger: | IIRC the amp on the AGC has a noise figure of 6dB or so, whereast eh one on the mast has 2dB |
| [22:00:30] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: ooh, I should look into that |
| [22:00:35] | devinheitmueller: | Once his tree is committed, *all* the ATSC demods will report SNR in the same manner. |
| [22:00:36] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: just my concern is if this scan issue is something being ping-ponged between v4l guys & mythtv devs the users get caught in the middle. so I wanna find out which it is & whether it can be skirted around |
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| [22:01:18] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: I'm not blaming MythTV for this. It *could* be a problem with the driver. I just haven't seen the board in question, nor have I evaluated how good the MythTV scanner is. |
| [22:01:35] | devinheitmueller: | Most of the channel scanners I have seen are complete crap – I'm impressed they work at all. |
| [22:01:53] | justinh: | I'm not blaming anybody yet :) but even if it's a driver issue, if it can be worked around safely I'd vote for that if it gets things going :) |
| [22:02:00] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: which demod and tuner does your saa7134 board have. |
| [22:02:10] | justinh: | hrm.. sec |
| [22:02:23] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: would mkrufky's test tree be pretty compatible with the rst of the HVR-2200's driver if I just replaced teh s5h1411's driver? |
| [22:02:24] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: if you are unsure, just pastebin your dmesg output. |
| [22:02:38] | justinh: | just need to ssh into the other machine |
| [22:02:55] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: his tree is pretty old so it won't have all the HVR-2200 fixes. But if you just yank the s5h1411.c it will probably be fine. |
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| [22:03:23] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: cool; I'm all about "DXing" with my TV. :-) |
| [22:03:40] | tzanger: | custom baluns, antenna mods, etc |
| [22:03:41] | devinheitmueller: | Basically the changes in his tree result in the SNR being represented in 8/8 format (to be consistent with other demods), and the strength is a scaled SNR to 35dB. |
| [22:03:48] | trumee: | justinh, i spoke to the cable guy (in india). he says that channels are transmitted in analogue as well as digital on the same cable. However, digital cable has many more channels, hence that is preferred. However, i was wondering if i can atleast scan for the cable channels using analogue and get the epg via digital. is that possible? |
| [22:03:52] | justinh: | bah dmesg is waaaay too old on this login |
| [22:04:11] | justinh: | trumee: nope. analogue scanning is borked in 0.22 |
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| [22:04:22] | trumee: | well, i will use 0.21 for that. |
| [22:04:27] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: it's an avermedia super007 dvbt thing |
| [22:04:35] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: oh, it's DVB-T. |
| [22:04:50] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm... might be one of those zl10353 guys... |
| [22:05:04] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: if you provide the PCI ID, I can tell you for sure. |
| [22:05:46] | justinh: | TDA10046 demod |
| [22:05:49] | devinheitmueller: | ah, ok. |
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| [22:06:15] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: how well does scanning work with the scan tool that comes with dvb-utils? |
| [22:06:23] | devinheitmueller: | a.k.a. /usr/bin/scan |
| [22:06:30] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: ~mkrufky/tuner? |
| [22:06:31] | justinh: | works great but that works with predefined frequencies |
| [22:06:44] | justinh: | a *tuned* scan in 0.22 & trunk works great |
| [22:06:54] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: ~mkrufky/atscdemod |
| [22:07:00] | trumee: | is it possible to analogue scan and get epg via digital. Is epg encrypted as well on a set top box? |
| [22:07:17] | justinh: | just seems to be where there's an offset & a full untuned scan is searching, maybe myth needs to do something between freq. changes I dunno |
| [22:07:31] | justinh: | but another spare tuner I have just works (tm) |
| [22:07:45] | justinh: | I get a lock in < 1 sec when it hits an active frequency |
| [22:07:59] | justinh: | in the tuned scan I mean :) |
| [22:08:02] | devinheitmueller: | Well, the big problems I have seen with channel scanning in general (other than generally crappy implementations) is that channel scanning is one of the few cases where you are rapidly changing frequencies, which tends to expose timing bugs in the drivers. |
| [22:08:02] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: hmm, doesn't show up |
| [22:08:16] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: http://www.kernellabs.com/hg/~mkrufky/atscdemod/ |
| [22:08:40] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: it's not what I'd call fast but when it tries the offsets, maybe then |
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| [22:08:50] | tzanger: | yeah I just found it in google, doh. |
| [22:08:55] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: Yeah, with a well written tuner and demod driver, you should get lock in < 1 second. However, most of the drivers come nowhere near that. |
| [22:08:57] | justinh: | ironic that now the offsets are mostly gone from dvb-t in the UK now. heh |
| [22:09:12] | devinheitmueller: | I recently fixed some drivers where the lock time was around 3200ms. |
| [22:09:50] | justinh: | is there maybe something a program should do between frequencies? |
| [22:10:00] | justinh: | which other drivers let slip somehow? |
| [22:10:18] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: well, it's possible. There are a variety of possibilities though. |
| [22:10:48] | devinheitmueller: | What likely would need to happen is a developer with the board would have to sit down and reproduce and debug the problem. |
| [22:10:53] | ** antgel wonders if it's worth upgrading nvidia from 185.18 to 190.42 ** | |
| [22:10:56] | justinh: | I'll take a peek at the scan code again. it helped last time cos I spotted the hard coding to 2k mode for the UK earlier :) |
| [22:11:03] | devinheitmueller: | ... which can be a royal PITA. |
| [22:11:21] | Dagmar: | antgel: What you should be asking is "how easily can I switch back?" |
| [22:11:27] | Dagmar: | ...the answer of which is "pretty easily" |
| [22:11:33] | devinheitmueller: | I've spent literally *weeks* tracking down the channel scanning bug in the s5h1411 driver. |
| [22:11:52] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: what did it end up being/ |
| [22:11:53] | tzanger: | ? |
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| [22:12:08] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: a single register write being performed in the wrong order. |
| [22:12:16] | justinh: | I know some of the official line is that 'broken' drivers aren't worked around in apps but that can leave users high & dry |
| [22:12:27] | justinh: | esp when they come back with "muh, Z app works fine!" |
| [22:12:35] | antgel: | Dagmar: yes, especially as i'll build binary packages for debian lenny |
| [22:12:44] | devinheitmueller: | But once that change was made, tuner locking for the s5h1411 went from "sometimes 600ms, sometimes 3000ms, sometimes no lock at all" to "consistently locks in 800ms" |
| [22:12:56] | justinh: | heh cool :) |
| [22:12:58] | Dagmar: | antgel: RIght, so... "really easily" then. :) |
| [22:13:01] | Dagmar: | Packages are win |
| [22:13:28] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: wow, nice. |
| [22:13:47] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: bah this is an hvr2250 not 2200 |
| [22:13:49] | tzanger: | idiot. me. |
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| [22:14:05] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: Yeah, it was a real "needle in the haystack". Still, if you look at how expensive that was, you can see why it doesn't happen often. |
| [22:14:15] | trumee: | is it possible to analogue scan and get epg via digital. Is epg encrypted on a set top box? |
| [22:14:19] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: Yes, of course you have a hvr2250. The hvr2200 is the DVB-T version of that board. |
| [22:14:54] | Dagmar: | If you're using an STB I don't think you're likely to get EPG Data from it |
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| [22:15:33] | Dagmar: | @#$@" what did ubuntu do with the bloody power manager |
| [22:15:38] | trumee: | Dagmar, i will use a dvb-c card and a tv tuner card. |
| [22:16:33] | tzanger: | heh. it looks like Mr. Toth's code has all the other patches in |
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| [22:16:42] | trumee: | Dagmar, tv tuner connected to stb via composite (hvr1110/pvr150), and cable directly connect to a dvb-c card |
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| [22:17:07] | Dagmar: | So you might be able to get it over dvb-c |
| [22:17:14] | Dagmar: | It ain't coming over composite video. |
| [22:17:29] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: well, I would be quite surprised if his tree didn't have all the patches, since he wrote them. ;-) |
| [22:19:32] | trumee: | Dagmar, yes thats the plan. If i do a scan using dvb-c and get all encrypted channels, i should still be able to get epg? Will it be possible to map the channels numbers to stb (use irblaster to change channels) |
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| [22:22:01] | Dagmar: | trumee: Being that EPG isn't sent inside any channel container it's up in the air but not impossible |
| [22:22:03] | markl_: | is there a good s/pdif faq out there? |
| [22:22:14] | Dagmar: | ...at least as far as I know it's not |
| [22:22:23] | devinheitmueller: | No good can come from this: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/12/02/214723 . . . Any-Platform |
| [22:22:24] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: no it seems to have been split off in the last 12 months sometime |
| [22:22:41] | tzanger: | mkrufky's patches are there except for the very last one |
| [22:23:05] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Look on the bright side. We're less than seven months' away from EOL for IE6 |
| [22:23:36] | markl_: | i have an asound.conf that i used with 0.21 but ALSA:spdif doesn't seem to work |
| [22:23:45] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: which tree are you referring to? Generally speaking, Steve has been keeping his tree at a certain point because it has been tested to be stable. That's why he doesn't track the bleeding edge. |
| [22:24:10] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: I undersatnd |
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| [22:24:16] | tzanger: | I was testing against -dev |
| [22:24:28] | tzanger: | saa7164-dev that is |
| [22:24:41] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: Ah, yes. I am not sure if all of thsoe were merged upstream yet. |
| [22:25:03] | tzanger: | dont' care for much against upstream yet. I stuck with 2.6.26 on this box just to keep things compatible |
| [22:25:30] | tzanger: | hell my backend is pretty ancient too in terms of rev |
| [22:25:43] | devinheitmueller: | At this point, I think all the stuff in "-dev" are just a couple of minor cleanup patches that don't effect functionality. |
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| [22:26:14] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea, that slashdot article will be interesting |
| [22:26:20] | tzanger: | devinheitmueller: ... maybe I'm really mistaken but I didn't think saa7164 was in 2.6.31 |
| [22:26:35] | devinheitmueller: | tzanger: No, it is upstream in v4l-dvb, and has been submitted for 2.6.32. |
| [22:26:59] | tzanger: | oh I see what you're saying |
| [22:27:06] | tzanger: | use the v4l-dvb tree not stoth's |
| [22:27:11] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah. |
| [22:27:43] | devinheitmueller: | Generally speaking, there is a propagation delay: the code starts out in a developer's personal tree, then it gets merged to the master v4l-dvb, then it gets merged to the actual kernel. |
| [22:27:53] | tzanger: | oh for sure |
| [22:28:03] | tzanger: | I write drivers for a living so I understand the process |
| [22:28:07] | tzanger: | I don't always understand the path though |
| [22:28:08] | tzanger: | :-) |
| [22:28:24] | devinheitmueller: | Taking a quick look at his current -dev tree, I believe everything was merged to master except for a couple of cleanup i2c fixes. |
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| [22:28:51] | tzanger: | ok |
| [22:28:55] | tzanger: | might give it a whirl later on then |
| [22:29:17] | tzanger: | I still want to add my ioctls to screw with the AGC and see if I can make the tuning any better :-) |
| [22:29:57] | tzanger: | actually I should try another amp.. 20dB vs 26 btu 1dB NF vs 2dB |
| [22:30:25] | tzanger: | might help me pick out a signal from those 13dB stations |
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| [22:34:00] | tzanger: | wow, the weakest station is a 3kW transmitter 60mi away from me |
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| [22:38:06] | justinh: | heh whaddya know the dodgy tuner now scans in a full scan within mythtv-setup but only picks up the muxes without offsets |
| [22:38:18] | tzanger: | I'm picking up a 358kW transmitter 100mi away 24/7, and I bet I could pick up WICU (5kW, 100mi) out of pennsylvania if I were aimed at it |
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| [22:38:34] | justinh: | so the issue isn't a timeout or tuner delay thing |
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| [22:40:10] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: is there a way to monitor what's going on with the tuner card status itself? |
| [22:40:27] | justinh: | other than femon I mean – like find out what the program using it is doing? |
| [22:40:31] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: what sort of status are you looking for (other than what femon provides) |
| [22:40:46] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: you can turn up the logging in the driver. But beyond that, not really. |
| [22:40:50] | justinh: | what freq it's set to, if it's initialised etc |
| [22:40:59] | devinheitmueller: | Varies on a driver-by-driver basis. |
| [22:41:03] | justinh: | ah |
| [22:41:04] | devinheitmueller: | (in terms of the extent of logging) |
| [22:41:18] | devinheitmueller: | Whether it's initialized is determined by the "status" field, which femon shows. |
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| [22:42:36] | justinh: | status went from V to blank during a scan of dead air |
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| [22:43:11] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: Yeah, admittedly I do not know how femon interprets the various bit flags in the status field. You would have to compare the femon source to the DVB API. |
| [22:43:48] | devinheitmueller: | Also, bear in mind that the quality of the data coming out of the status field varies greatly from driver to driver. Many of them only expose two states – "nothing" and "fully locked". |
| [22:43:49] | justinh: | I put a tuning delay of 1 sec in but it's not curing the offset frequency transports |
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| [22:44:07] | justinh: | what happens with 'scan' is that the config file tells it exactly where to go. no seeking |
| [22:44:51] | justinh: | in mythtv it tries centre freq first, then waits a while for a lock, then tries a 166khz offset each way, waiting for a lock inbetween |
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| [22:45:06] | justinh: | but I dunno if it's just changing the frequency or if something needs set/reset before trying |
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| [22:45:38] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: well, the kernel itself provides a zigzag mechanism. Don't know if it's used though in that driver. |
| [22:46:02] | devinheitmueller: | Over here in ATSC/ClearQAM land we don't need any of that stuff. |
| [22:46:22] | justinh: | every mux used to have offsets here til this morning |
| [22:46:30] | justinh: | now only one does. guess which one myth doesn't pull in ;-) |
| [22:46:59] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: can the zigzag be disabled without hacking code? |
| [22:47:21] | justinh: | you're gonna say it depends on the driver again I'll bet |
| [22:47:30] | devinheitmueller: | One thing I noticed with the old Kaffeine was that it actually stored the frequency in Megahertz, truncating off the reset. |
| [22:47:43] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: I think the dvb core itself might have an option to disable the zigzag. |
| [22:48:05] | devinheitmueller: | I would have to look at the code to know for sure. Like I said, I've never needed to use that functionality. |
| [22:48:40] | justinh: | modinfo dvb_core doesnt mention auto freq zigzag or the likes |
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| [22:54:45] | justinh: | I'll have a dig again soon – I'm pretty keen to nail this one way or the other :) |
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| [22:59:21] | skd5aner: | When I go into "Recording Rules" and pick a show that has upcoming episdes, then go to "Schedule Info" and and chose "Upcoming Episodes" from the menu, nothing pops up |
| [22:59:47] | skd5aner: | but if I select "Upcoming recordings" then I do get the upcoming recordings screen |
| [22:59:52] | skd5aner: | using .22, Graphite theme |
| [23:00:28] | skd5aner: | Anyone else seeing the "Upcoming episodes" screen option not work? |
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| [23:09:53] | justinh: | hmm dvb_core is autostepping (zigzag) |
| [23:11:18] | justinh: | I wonder if disabling the scanner's auto offset feature would fix this |
| [23:11:37] | justinh: | even that wouldn't be ideal though since new users won't know what to do for the best |
| [23:12:13] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: the time for when to zigzag might be too short, so it might be doing the zigzag too fast to achieve a lock. |
| [23:12:13] | skd5aner: | I had a recording scheduled list night via the HDPVR (from my STB), and it failed because the channel changer failed (for reason I know) – however, It is still listed as being recorded within mythweb, and it won't pick up a later showing, everything shows as "earlier showing" because the one that failed is still showed as active |
| [23:12:43] | devinheitmueller: | (which could easily be an issue with only a single demod/tuner combination) |
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| [23:16:14] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: looking at the debug I'd suspect not |
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| [23:17:45] | devinheitmueller: | If you're willing to add some debugging to the driver, one thing I typically do is stick a loop at the end of the demod's set_frontend() call which reports the status registers every 200ms for ten seconds. That will tell you if you *ever* achieve a lock. |
| [23:17:47] | justinh: | I'll try taking the offsets out of the scan & see if it helps |
| [23:18:03] | justinh: | I think myth isn't missing the lock |
| [23:18:35] | devinheitmueller: | Well, it might be changing frequencies too fast to let the demod achieve a lock before giving up. |
| [23:18:56] | justinh: | I'll see what it's like with the offsets off |
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| [23:20:08] | justinh: | if it's something racy between myth & the driver... |
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| [23:21:11] | justinh: | I remember it used to work just fine in previous versions of myth but that was on an earlier kernel |
| [23:22:02] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: and did you say you tried /usr/bin/scan before? If not, just create a dummy transponder file and see if you can acheive lock on the offset frequency *at all*. |
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| [23:23:47] | justinh: | yeah it works great first time |
| [23:24:13] | justinh: | entering the offset freq directly in mythtv's own scanner works great too |
| [23:24:17] | justinh: | aka the tuned scan |
| [23:24:46] | justinh: | but it's the full untuned scan where it tries centre freq, then each offset which is messed up somehow |
| [23:26:49] | justinh: | as I say though it works fine on a different card in the same machine. ironically a cheap & nasty USB tuner :) |
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| [23:31:08] | mike_hurley_1: | using mythvideo 0.22, have two video directories setup as "path1/videos:path2/videos"...using Folder view...at my root i now see in mythvideo two "videos" folders which each break down into their respective subfolders. Is there a way to merge these file systems? |
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| [23:33:40] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: Well, I'm certainly familiar with the notion that the quality of demod and tuner drivers varies wildly. |
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| [23:38:42] | oobe: | mike_hurley_1, you could just use symlinks sounds much simpler |
| [23:39:12] | mike_hurley_1: | oobe: so there's no way to tell mythvideo to merge the folder structures? |
| [23:39:27] | oobe: | not that i know of |
| [23:42:54] | oobe: | sym links work fine though |
| [23:43:12] | justinh: | weird. took the offset out of the scanner & now there's no autostep other than 0 |
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