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Monday, November 30th, 2009, 00:06 UTC

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lydgate:

mythtv seems to have no data for me after tomorrow. normally it has a week and i get it from the freeview stream

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lydgate:

i've had a look at the logs but can't see anything wrong

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lydgate:

anyone had this happen?

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** cesman doesn't use freeview stream **

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** cesman would suggest running mythfilldatabase and see what it outputs **

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antgel:

am reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup. have done cat /proc/driver/rtc, but of course GMT == UTC so how do i know if my BIOS supports UTC?

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antgel:

should i even care in my time zone?

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antgel:

we are BST during summer...

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antgel:

ah, UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS on my system. guess i'm always UTC as far as the bios goes

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antgel:

we'll see what happens when summer comes around

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sphery:

jblack: missing recordings will slow things down tremendously because of preview gen

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jblack:

sphery: I no longer have missing recordings.

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jblack:

Going from 2100 recordings to 750 made a drastic difference.

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sphery:

performance good, now?

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jblack:

No, I didn't see a big difference when I cleared up the missing.

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jblack:

switching between groups of shows (eg. All Programs -> Nature -> House ) is still pretty bad.. 3–4 seconds per group switch, depending on whether there's more than 1 show, but All Programs works much, much better and I haven't had a problem with it getting stuck for over 10 minute at a time like I had yesterday afternoon

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[R]:

grrrr

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[R]:

has anyone here gotten wake on lan to work?

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cesman:

[R]: yes, I've used it in the past w/o issue

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** [R] cries **

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[R]:

its the one last piece of the puzzle

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cesman:

[R]: what distro are you using?

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[R]:

ubuntu

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cesman:

[R]: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/122 that was the guide I used

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cesman:

the key is you must turn it on when the system boots (or at some point when it is on)

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[R]:

yeah, i've done all that

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cesman:

ok

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sphery:

which wake on lan?

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** cesman goes back to dev work... **

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sphery:

the one where the master backend wakes remotes

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sphery:

(and puts them to sleep)

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sphery:

or just the "wake all other myth hosts" one

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[R]:

sphery: the i want to manually wake up this computer with a wol packet

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sphery:

ah, that's much easier--assuming you have a NIC driver that supports it

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sphery:

which NIC?

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[R]:

ethtool claims i support it

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[R]:

my bios claims i support it

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[R]:

its an onboard via

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sphery:

as does ethtool on the skge one I have--but the driver doesn't support it

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[R]:

i found a page that says via_rhine suports it

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sphery:

(newer version might, but...)

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sphery:

haven't ever done it on rhine

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[R]:

i know this computer supports waking up in general... cuz i had wake on rtc working

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mchou:

[R]: did you SET WOL capability every time the computer starts up with ethtool?

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

even this /proc/acpi/wakeup thing i've seen in a few guides

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mchou:

[R]: what commandline you use to set wol capability?

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[R]:

ethtool -s eth0 wol g

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mchou:

does the nic have leds?

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mchou:

or more approriately does your router show "link" for that nic when comp is turned off?

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[R]:

it looks like its fainly on

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[R]:

lemem see if the light on the router is on

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mchou:

router/switch*

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[R]:

yes the light on the router is on

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mchou:

then it should work unless there is a HW problem

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mchou:

how are you sending the magic packet?

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sphery:

or a routing problem

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[R]:

i've tried wakeonlan

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[R]:

etherwake

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[R]:

and wol

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mchou:

you sent the correct MAC addr?

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

copy/paste from ifconfig

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sphery:

try: wakeonlan -i 192.168.0.255 01:02:03:04:05:06

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sphery:

modify the network address and MAC as appropriate

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mchou:

ether-wake should work just fine

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[R]:

oh, and i've already tried sending it from my router

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sphery:

try with network address

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[R]:

ok i just tried that

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[R]:

nothing

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mchou:

well, I suppose you could have a buggy acpi impelementation

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sphery:

is this from shutdown or suspend?

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[R]:

shutdown

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[R]:

i already tried poweroff -f

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sphery:

strange

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[R]:

also tried*

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mchou:

is this on board nic?

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[R]:

yeah

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mchou:

who made the mobo?

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[R]:

its some weird one... lemme see if i can remember

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[R]:

i can't... not a regular name though

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[R]:

and its like 4 years old

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mchou:

you dont need to remember

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mchou:

dmidecode

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[R]:

ok, its booting

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mchou:

wtf?

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[R]:

it was turnbed off...

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[R]:

cuz i was trying to wake it

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[R]:

# No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry.

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

I think you need to upgrade

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mchou:

what kind of fubar HW is this?

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mchou:

you could also try a PCI nic

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[R]:

ok, i can get my desktop to wol... so i'm not totally insane

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[R]:

yeah, i'l have to find one at my dads house

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mchou:

but all bets are off if there isn't even dmi info

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clever:

[R]: my newest laptop claims to even support WOL over wifi

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clever:

but that may only be from standby

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floppyears:

when I type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source

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floppyears:

it doesn't bring up the dialog to reconfigure the package any ideas on how to get it to bring up the dialog?

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[R]:

are you sure that package has a configuration?

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floppyears:

the configuration came up the first time I tried to use it

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floppyears:

but since the upgrade didn't go well, I'm trying to reconfigure it now :(

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[R]:

are you sure it was configuration of THAT package?

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[R]:

mchou: ok so i'm gonna get 2 pci cards from my dad... and i'm going to a computer show this weekend and i might pick up one there

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floppyears:

I remember seeing the list of remotes. I actually chose not to reconfigure the package, because I didn't want changes to the remote section

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floppyears:

in fact dmesg shows lirc_mceusb and the remote as being recognize. lsmod also shows lirc_mceusb

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floppyears:

but irw says: connection refused

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sphery:

floppyears: is lircd running?

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floppyears:

sphery: when I try to use irw, I get lircd: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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sphery:

floppyears: sounds like you need to fix lircd first

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floppyears:

yeah, that's where I'm currently at

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tesseract_tom:

anyone here doing x10 and mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

i know of at least one, but hes probably not around currently

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wagnerrp:

best to just ask

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wagnerrp:

if you dont get an answer in an hour or so, ask again

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wagnerrp:

couple cycles of that, post to the ML

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oobe:

i didnt know what x10 was so i googled it have you seen this tesseract_tom http://www.instructables.com/id/Control-X10-modules-via-MythTV/

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oobe:

looks like a cool idea good luck

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wagnerrp:

pluto/linuxmce is actually based around mythtv and x10 (and some other stuff)

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wagnerrp:

of course thats a very aged version of mythtv

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RyeBrye:

X10 is especially nice around this time of year... I'm using it to control my exterior christmas lights so I don't have to freeze my butt off every night going out to plug in / unplug them

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wagnerrp:

we just have a lightswitch wired up inside

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RyeBrye:

That'd also work :)

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RyeBrye:

but I had a box of X10 stuff so this was easier.

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wagnerrp:

low tech FTW

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[R]:

the best is from christmas vacation... when he dindt knowt here was a switch that controleld it

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RyeBrye:

http://domus.link.co.pt/ is a pretty sweet frontend for the "heyu" project which is an X10 linux interface

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tesseract_tom:

yeah i have it working well, was just seeing if other people were around who are using it

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RyeBrye:

I don't see much advantage to having it integrated into myth over having a web frontend

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tesseract_tom:

right now im coding something dumb, the lights change when u check the weather depending on the results

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: one of the guys around here has x10 lighting in their tv room

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tesseract_tom:

i do too

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RyeBrye:

Ok, I can see a case for that – doing scene lighting

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wagnerrp:

so he programmed in some pre/post-roll to control the light level

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Cookieboy:

Hello Everyone – Have a Question about MythVideo if anyone has a sec...

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RyeBrye:

Hey, I'm not going to discourage anyone from tinkering with stuff – maybe you'll stumble on some way cool application for myth + x10 and I'll end up using it one day :)

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wagnerrp:

Cookieboy: no one 'has a sec', you just ask the question and wait for someone to answer

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wagnerrp:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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RyeBrye:

You could trigger an X10 door sensor to send a signal, and have a script listening for it that would start up MythTV playing that scene with the gangsters from "Home ALone" when someone opened the door

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[R]:

lol

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Cookieboy:

I am running .22, and can't get the posters to show up at all. The coverart file location is correct in the DB, and the Cover art shows up in MythWeb. Running Fedora 11 – Compiled from SVN Latest Fixes-22

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RyeBrye:

the simplest solution to any problem is to lower your expectations

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Cookieboy:

All the Metadata doesn't show up, but it does in MythWeb, so that is strange as well. I am using the Retro Theme.

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RyeBrye:

I think you have to use a MythUI theme

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wagnerrp:

no

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RyeBrye:

nevermind

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wagnerrp:

is your frontend and mythweb running on different machines?

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RyeBrye:

Oh, I was thinking fanart and the extra stuff not coverart

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Cookieboy:

No, they are the same box...

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Cookieboy:

I verified hostnames are all correct, and such, I ran mythfronend with debug all, but couldn't see anything there

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Cookieboy:

but, there is a ton of data to go through, so I might have missed something...

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RyeBrye:

Oh, I got a PS3 Bluray remote for my upstairs frontend – it works very nicely with myth.

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wagnerrp:

well the mythvideo paths are per-hostname, do if they were on different boxes, that could be an issue

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wagnerrp:

not since theyre not...

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RyeBrye:

maybe strange permissions on the coverart? like the apache user can access them but the mythtv user can't?

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wagnerrp:

could be

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wagnerrp:

how did you download this coverart?

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Cookieboy:

Looking now...

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Cookieboy:

I downloaded most of the Art using MythWeb, via the IMDB link...

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Cookieboy:

-rw-r--r-- 1 apache apache 8002 2009-06–24 12:22 0046183.jpg

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floppyears:

does anybody know if any of the mythtv guides have been updated to reference the karmic ubuntu release?

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wagnerrp:

do you have any ISOs?

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Cookieboy:

I might have one or two, let me check....

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Cookieboy:

No, no ISOs, but two .VOBs

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wagnerrp:

if you have no ISOs, you should seriously consider just switching to storage groups, and rescanning

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Cookieboy:

mythtv looks like it has permission to read the .jpg at least, so don't think it is a permission prob there...

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wagnerrp:

either way, you should rescan all of those files using the grabbers in mythtv, rather than the one in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

erm...rather than the ones in mythweb

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Cookieboy:

OK, where do I do that? Mythfrontend or in mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

theres a transition guide in the wiki

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Cookieboy:

ok, I will go hit the wiki

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wagnerrp:

basically, blank out the local paths that mythvideo is using in the frontend setup

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wagnerrp:

and then add the necessary storagegroups in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo will detect them as new videos, and flush out the old ones using the local paths

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Cookieboy:

ok, I found the wiki article. I will give it a try and let you know if I have any more problems. Thanks so much for your help!

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Cookieboy:

Only question, just read on the wiki that vlc, and xine will not work on storage groups. Does that just mean, streaming them to another frontend? They will work locally even on a SG?

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[R]:

if you have local access to the files

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[R]:

then it'll work

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[R]:

if you are accessing them through storage groups

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[R]:

then no

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wagnerrp:

no, no videos in storage groups will work with an external player

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wagnerrp:

even if they are locally accessible

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Cookieboy:

Oh.. So I will ahve to use the internal player then?

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wagnerrp:

if you are using storage groups, yes

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Cookieboy:

OK.. I will keep reading through the article and decide what I want to do then.

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wagnerrp:

although if external players are not removed from mythvideo in 0.23, i would expect them to be in 0.24

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wagnerrp:

at least if the dev in charge of that has his way

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Cookieboy:

Got it.

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Brad-D:

wagnerr: why do you think the devs want to get rid of external players? (i use the internal player, but some people might appreciate the flexibility?)

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wagnerrp:

the push is to move everything to storage groups, removing the need for NFS for anything

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wagnerrp:

but making those files available to external programs in such a manner is not trivial

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[R]:

fuse!

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oobe:

i use fuse

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oobe:

sshfs is very nice way to share media over wireless-n

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oobe:

there are some ppl who think the shouldnt be external players though

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wagnerrp:

i see the use of external players as a crutch for a deficiency that should just be written into the internal player

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Cookieboy:

as long as the internal player will continue to stay up on the latest H264 codecs and stay current, then there should be no need for external players.

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Brad-D:

ahh i see

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Brad-D:

yeah i find the internal player covers all of my needs

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Brad-D:

and storage groups are so darn cool

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wagnerrp:

well they just make management of things so much easier

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Brad-D:

definitely

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Brad-D:

can't wait till mythmusic has storage groups too ;)

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Brad-D:

also i remember at one point Gbee and a few others were talking about a list of "todo's" for mythtv. Suggestions that people want implemented, but no-one is currently working on

[03:50:07]

Brad-D:

do you guys know where that list is? or if that list exists? ;)

[03:50:09]

wagnerrp:

on the wiki, feature wishlist

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Brad-D:

thanks, hoping to find something that isn't too hard to contribute

[03:50:34]

Brad-D:

as Syrius has complete smacked down my planned MythXM plugin

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Brad-D:

lol

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you should see the crap my friend's company has to go through to ensure theyre not 'making a copy'

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wagnerrp:

they make Musak-type systems running off XMradio

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Brad-D:

i believe it

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Brad-D:

so frustrated with companies lately

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Cookieboy:

So, strange problem in moving to storage groups, and maybe I have done somthing wrong, but I shut down mythbackend went in and defined my storage groups. Re scanned my Videos directory, and all was well. Interal player working fine. I hit W to scan for the movie, "Aladdin" in this example, I select the one frrm the 4 it returns, and then it just sits there. After I hit ESC, mythfronend crashes with a process error on the tmdb scr

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wagnerrp:

its very difficult for them to even put in something like a buffer to smooth over reception losses

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Brad-D:

i pay xm radio $12/month, and they demand i use their weak webplayer. even if i'm willing to develop another player myself.

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wagnerrp:

'UR MAKIN A COPY IN RAM, THAT THAR IS INFRINGMENT'

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Brad-D:

itunes has tons of great videos that I would happily purchase, if they weren't laced with DRM, so i can't play on mythtv

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Brad-D:

it's like companies are trying to convince me not to give them money, it's silly

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Brad-D:

wagnerr: yeah, totally sad. XM's TOS killed my plugin for sure.

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Cookieboy:

Well, looks like the crashing is from the tmdb servers being down or something like that... – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7457

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lydgate:

what could cause uk freeview epg/eit data to stop working? been working fine for months, now i only have tomorrow's data and nothing after that

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

is it possible to save something from the LiveTV group to the default normal group?

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Brad-D:

MythFax

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Brad-D:

hahahaha

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Dagmar:

s/computer instructions/buffer overflows/;

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Dagmar:

bleh wrong chan

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wagnerrp:

looks like Brian Wood is replying to emails with a font CD he got on ebay from hong kong

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kb9vqf:

Any idea why mythbackend would suddenly stop working, exiting with error code 241 and no error messages/segmentation faults?

[05:13:00]

kb9vqf:

I'm on Ubuntu Karmic AMD64

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kb9vqf:

This is all I see... http://pastebin.com/m29db3a8e

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kb9vqf:

var/log/messages has no additional information or messages from mythbackend

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kb9vqf:

Or, does anyone have a list of mythbackend exit codes and what they mean?

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** kb9vqf doesn't want to have to wade through the mythbackend source to find out... **

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wagnerrp:

thats all the further it gets before exiting?

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superm1:

try running with a higher verbosity level for logging for a better hint

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wagnerrp:

superm1: should he run mythbackend or mythbackend.real when debugging?

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kb9vqf:

I did, no more info. :( I can pastebin it anyway if you like...

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superm1:

there is no .real for mythbackend

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superm1:

that's only for the frontend we use the wrapper business

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wagnerrp:

ah, and mythtv-setup?

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superm1:

oh yeah and there

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superm1:

but not for mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

ok, i thought it was for all three

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kb9vqf:

Here you go... http://pastebin.com/m3d40bf54

[05:20:45]

kb9vqf:

I am completely stumped (and I've been working with mythtv for a few years now)

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kb9vqf:

Thought I'd seen it all :)

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kb9vqf:

wagnerrp: ^^^

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wagnerrp:

still no errors....

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wagnerrp:

check dmesg and see if its reporting some segfault

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wagnerrp:

although that should be printed back to the terminal if it did occur

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kb9vqf:

Nope, nothing

[05:22:20]

kb9vqf:

And I can't figure out what an exit code of 241 means

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kb9vqf:

wagnerrp: This happened after a clean restart, if it helps...

[05:23:14]

wagnerrp:

not much will help without some meaningful error, or really any error at all

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kb9vqf:

wagerrp: So this behaviour hasn't been seen before? I have several terabytes of video on this system; I don't really want to risk losing it by mucking around in the database... :)

[05:24:37]

wagnerrp:

'241' doesnt seem to be an error code of myth's doing

[05:24:46]

kb9vqf:

Hmm

[05:24:47]

wagnerrp:

at least a quick grep doesnt show it up anywhere in the source

[05:25:01]

kb9vqf:

Well, I got that by echo $?

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kb9vqf:

Right after mythbackend exited

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kb9vqf:

wagerrp: Could vdpau do that?

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wagnerrp:

no, VDPAU is a frontend-only thing

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wagnerrp:

the backend doesnt touch it

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kb9vqf:

Just wanted to make sure...at one point in the past the backend was complaining about it

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt

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kb9vqf:

I should've saved the error then :)

[05:26:56]

wagnerrp:

not for any reason that makes sense to me anyway

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kb9vqf:

wagnerrp: Here you go:

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kb9vqf:

root@thor:~# mythbackend

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kb9vqf:

mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libvdpau.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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kb9vqf:

^^^ that's the error I got earlier

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kb9vqf:

I guess it does depend on vdpau

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kb9vqf:

Reinstalling it didn't help though

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wagnerrp:

well it may be linked against it due to an improper configure script

[05:31:35]

wagnerrp:

but that doesnt mean the backend actually uses it for anything

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kb9vqf:

Ahh...I smell a bug for Ubuntu

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superm1:

a lot of things are needlessly linked for mythbackend

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superm1:

it's not an ubuntu bug

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superm1:

its a configure script bug

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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kb9vqf:

OK

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wagnerrp:

theres a LOT of cruft left over in the configure script from ffmpeg

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superm1:

we have tons of warning all over our build logs about everything that's needlessly linked at every build

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wagnerrp:

the configure script is largely adapted around the one from ffmpeg

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superm1:

which probably won't change soon since it likely makes ffmpeg syncs a lot easier

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kb9vqf:

No more ideas about the original problem though?

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Dagmar:

!@#!@#!

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Dagmar:

I atually rememeber this as being a libtool screwup

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Dagmar:

There's an argument you pass to libtool that makes it not link in just everything you throw at it

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Dagmar:

--as-needed? Not sure anymore

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Dagmar:

Maybe it was passed through ldflags. I can't remember because it's been bloody five years or more

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kb9vqf:

So, how should I proceed in trying to repair this sudden non-crash exit problem? http://pastebin.com/m3d40bf54

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Dagmar:

I see no problem.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: that is the problem, its just exiting, no error

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wagnerrp:

no indication of any sort why its doing do

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kb9vqf:

Exit code 241

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kb9vqf:

That's all

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wagnerrp:

no segfault or OOM listed in dmesg

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kb9vqf:

Nope

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** kb9vqf notes that this computer was working perfectly before the last clean reboot **

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wagnerrp:

clean reboot? or did you have to fsck?

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kb9vqf:

Clean, no fsck

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kb9vqf:

I even reinstalled mythtv-backend and libvdpau

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kb9vqf:

No dice

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superm1:

maybe you should strace the invokation

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superm1:

see if you can see the last few things going on

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kb9vqf:

superm1: OK, here you go: http://pastebin.com/m1c441a6d

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kb9vqf:

The tail of the strace

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Dagmar:

Your machine is possessed by the devil.

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kb9vqf:

O-o

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kb9vqf:

superm1: The only thing that looks at all suspicious is poll([{fd=7, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 0) = 0 (Timeout)

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Dagmar:

This is why it's obsessively checking to make sure /etc/localtime didn't go anywhere.

[05:48:03]

kb9vqf:

:)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i was wondering about that

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Dagmar:

Probably AppArmor

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superm1:

apparmor would talk about this in /var/log/syslog

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superm1:

if it didn't like something

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Dagmar:

This is a great example of how useless an strace without debugging symbols is tho

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superm1:

if you are running from the auto-builds repo, you can install mythtv-dbg and get debugging symbols

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Dagmar:

Well, that's nice.

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Dagmar:

I'm not. ...and I'm not about to either.

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superm1:

particular deficiency of the packages you don't like?

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wagnerrp:

probably that they dont work on slackware

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superm1:

haha

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** kb9vqf is not running from the auto-builds anyway **

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kb9vqf:

Scary unstable code + several terabytes of data = USER PANIC

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kb9vqf:

:)

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp gets it in one

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superm1:

it's not unstable, they're just tracking 0.22-fixes

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kb9vqf:

Ohh, ok

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kb9vqf:

Link?

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superm1:

mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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Dagmar:

I've no need of running someone else's packages. I'm a big boy and can build things myself and then leave them alone until I find a bug.

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superm1:

so can 65% of the rest of the people, it's just about making it easier

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superm1:

there's a reason i dont run gentoo anymore

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ScumBag:

Hi all. I 'm having some issues/problems importing DVDs

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superm1:

it's fracking time consuming

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Dagmar:

65% of WHAT people

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Dagmar:

Move that decimal place over a notch, possibly two, man

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wagnerrp:

only if you intend to sit there and watch while it builds

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** kb9vqf develops KDE, and packages it too. I have no desire to build even more packages **

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Dagmar:

I don't even think 65% of the Slackware users could successfully compile most things

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superm1:

it was time consuming for me because stuff always broke in gentoo

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superm1:

and it was more often due to setting compiler flags wrong because i read some guide somewhere that said that it was better, and then forgetting to build an ebuild with some feature

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superm1:

and then realizing you needed to rebuild half of your system with that feature

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wagnerrp:

me breaking things in gentoo generally means its time for me to re-image off the master, and reboot

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Dagmar:

Classic problem for Gentoo users

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superm1:

maybe things have improved lately, but it was hectic back when i tried it

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kb9vqf:

While I have you guys here, and I am downloading the auto build debug symbols, any idea why MTD is unable to read my DVDs? Yes, the required dvd packages are installed, but it can't even get the volume name from the disk

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Dagmar:

Throwing in USE flags without understanding what they're doing

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wagnerrp:

i carry around a couple previous boot images for that purpose

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Dagmar:

kb9vqf: Have you tried playing it with anything else?

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kb9vqf:

Xine works great

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kb9vqf:

As does mplayer

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Dagmar:

Copyrighted DVDs tend to be remarkably stubborn about being played without libdecss around

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kb9vqf:

It's around :)(

[05:56:50]

kb9vqf:

:)

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Dagmar:

Right, so make sure mtd can use that

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kb9vqf:

It claims it is

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kb9vqf:

Hang on while I get a log

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Dagmar:

Well, good luck asking in #mtd about it then

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kb9vqf:

Is that a real channel?

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wagnerrp:

mtd has its own channel?

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kb9vqf:

Dagmar, wagnerrp: Here's an strace of my original problem with the debuggin symbols installed: http://pastebin.com/d38c9595e

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** wagnerrp knows exactly nothing about strace **

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kb9vqf:

It really likes localtime :)

[06:01:07]

kb9vqf:

I do wonder what fd7 is though

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superm1:

Dagmar, wait a minute, WTH would debugging symbols help an strace? they're not used for strace.

[06:01:18]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Well, when the moon is in the right phase, it's a lot like output of a step-through run

[06:01:56]

Dagmar:

superm1: Well, this shows how hard I try to avoid having to debug live @#$@ binaries

[06:02:22]

Dagmar:

wtf tool is it that reads debugging symbols if not strace

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superm1:

GDB

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wagnerrp:

gdb?

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kb9vqf:

For additional fun, here's the MTD problem: http://pastebin.com/d9f6b297 :)

[06:03:01]

Dagmar:

Ah thanks

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Dagmar:

kb9vqf: Use gdb. f**k strace

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wagnerrp:

have fun running two orders of magnitude slower

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wagnerrp:

should take a couple seconds before it arbitrarily closes now

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Dagmar:

I've been at work for 12 hours reading @#$@# HR documentation for the last three and my brain is cooked

[06:04:03]

kb9vqf:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/d4d00e300

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kb9vqf:

Hehe

[06:04:16]

kb9vqf:

That's exactly what it did

[06:04:16]

Dagmar:

better _slow_ than silently

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Dagmar:

Now... how about you read that output.

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Dagmar:

"2009-11–30 00:03:32.754 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: mythtv.starlink.edu"

[06:04:47]

kb9vqf:

Doesn't say much

[06:04:58]

Dagmar:

Generally, that's a pretty fatal issue

[06:05:03]

wagnerrp:

eh?

[06:05:06]

kb9vqf:

???

[06:05:08]

superm1:

how is that fatal?

[06:05:28]

superm1:

kb9vqf, dumb question, but there doesn't happen to be another mythbackend being ran that's currently supervised by upstart right?

[06:05:30]

Dagmar:

Doesnt' the backend generally exit when the database isn't around?

[06:05:48]

kb9vqf:

root@thor:~# ps aux | grep myth

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wagnerrp:

but it is around, its connected three times

[06:05:50]

kb9vqf:

root 17355 0.0 0.0 7336 884 pts/2 S+ 00:05 0:00 grep myth

[06:05:52]

kb9vqf:

root@thor:~#

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Dagmar:

Oh @R@$#

[06:05:59]

kb9vqf:

Nope ^^^

[06:06:02]

Dagmar:

Damn I really *do* need to get the hell out of the office

[06:06:06]

wagnerrp:

heh

[06:06:08]

** Dagmar vamooses **

[06:06:12]

Dagmar:

jesus

[06:06:43]

superm1:

that and stop pretending like you know everything.

[06:09:29]

kb9vqf:

Would the developers like to look at this? Or am I just stuck?

[06:09:44]

** kb9vqf likes MythTV, but this right here is a really big problem **

[06:10:26]

kb9vqf:

Could bad tuner hardware do this?

[06:11:15]

foxbuntu:

Dagmar, what is the gain by treating everyone like morons and generally being mean towards others?

[06:12:42]

superm1:

kb9vqf, so your exit code was 241? that's in the range to be terminated by a signal

[06:12:49]

kb9vqf:

Yes, 241

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wagnerrp:

but the one out of gdb was 361

[06:13:09]

kb9vqf:

From the console it's always 241

[06:13:10]

wagnerrp:

neither of which have any listing anywhere in the code

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wagnerrp:

so are not generated by mythtv

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superm1:

well so for exit codes that are by signals, you subtract 128

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kb9vqf:

And what do you get then?

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** kb9vqf knows nothing about exit codes beyond 0=OK **

[06:14:11]

superm1:

well 113, but that's probably still meaningless

[06:14:23]

superm1:

do you have anything else on your system that might be sending such a signal to mythbackend?

[06:14:57]

kb9vqf:

Not that I know of

[06:15:07]

kb9vqf:

And certainly nothing that would have changed across one reboot

[06:16:04]

superm1:

well while the monkeys are running around trying to think of what's going on, maybe an fsck wouldn't hurt for now

[06:16:14]

kb9vqf:

:) OK

[06:17:04]

kb9vqf:

superm1: Here's the MTD problem: http://pastebin.com/d9f6b297 :)

[06:17:12]

superm1:

i'm not too sure on the mtd stuff

[06:17:30]

superm1:

i'm intrigued by this mythbackend thing though

[06:18:07]

kb9vqf:

I run two (flaky) tuners on this backend, so I wonder if a problem exists there

[06:18:12]

wagnerrp:

libdvdcss or not, it should at the very least get a volume name

[06:18:24]

kb9vqf:

But I would expect mythbackend to exit with "hey your tuner is broken" or so

[06:18:29]

kb9vqf:

^^ superm1

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kb9vqf:

wagerrp: I know...

[06:18:42]

kb9vqf:

Weird

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kb9vqf:

0.22 broke a lot of stuff; these are the two problems I couldn't fix on my own

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superm1:

kb9vqf, the same thing happens when running from the upstart job right?

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superm1:

eg 'start mythtv-backend'

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kb9vqf:

superm1: I haven't run it from Upstart in a long, long time...the tuner permissions are not right and I never fixed the udev rules

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kb9vqf:

Never had a problem running it as root

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superm1:

kb9vqf, well for now if you chown the tuner devices to mythtv:mythtv you should be able to try from the upstart job

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kb9vqf:

Where would I get the log output from though? syslog?

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superm1:

it will tell you immediately if it failed to spawn

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superm1:

and it would log to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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superm1:

and in /var/log/syslog about the upstart response to it failing if it fails

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superm1:

that's peculiar that the tuner permissions aren't right though. they should be owned by the video group

[06:23:03]

superm1:

and the mythtv user should be in the video group

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kb9vqf:

Oh great

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kb9vqf:

start: Unknown job: mythtv-backend

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kb9vqf:

Let me reinstall again...

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kb9vqf:

superm1: Here's the syslog output:

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kb9vqf:

Nov 30 00:25:09 thor init: mythtv-backend main process (19520) terminated with status 241

[06:25:28]

kb9vqf:

Nov 30 00:25:09 thor init: mythtv-backend main process ended, respawning

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kb9vqf:

Over and over and over again...

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superm1:

issue a "stop mythtv-backend"

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superm1:

and it'll stop that

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kb9vqf:

:)

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superm1:

so it can't be anything in /root/.mythtv then

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kb9vqf:

I did

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floppyears:

anybody here uses the lirc_mceusb module?

[06:28:08]

floppyears:

I'm having problems with ubuntu karmic and lirc_mceusb

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kb9vqf:

superm1: Great; I'm trying to purge all myth packages and I now get:

[06:30:14]

kb9vqf:

Purging configuration files for mythtv-common ...

[06:30:15]

kb9vqf:

dpkg: error processing mythtv-common (--purge):

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kb9vqf:

subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1

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superm1:

it's trying to delete the mythtv user in that script

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superm1:

dont worry about purging, a simple remove is fine

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kb9vqf:

superm1: Same problem!!!

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kb9vqf:

Exit 241

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kb9vqf:

Grrrr

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kb9vqf:

I'm going to reboot

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kb9vqf:

superm1: Reboot fixed it

[06:40:03]

kb9vqf:

Now you can recommend that solution if anyone else has the same problem :-)

[06:40:48]

kb9vqf:

Thanks for the help...of course if someone wants to look at the MTD problem (which has persisted across many reboots) I'd appreciate it... :P

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superm1:

why would a reboot have fixed it?

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superm1:

that makes no sense to me still.

[06:42:59]

superm1:

but i suppose i wont argue

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wagnerrp:

why would a reboot have caused it?

[06:43:29]

wagnerrp:

one of those never to be solved mysteries, like why my 150s magically started working again a couple weeks ago

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itscrimetime2:

hey wagnerrp well cpr usally does it...?

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superm1:

that and letting the water you spilled on them evaporate ;)

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itscrimetime2:

lmfao

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Dagmar:

Bleh. NOW I know why I couldn't think straight beyond the usual "long hours" issue. I've got a freakin' fevet.

[07:10:29]

Dagmar:

er fever.

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Dagmar:

It's not helping that I spent three hours straight working on that damn font, either

[07:13:28]

Dagmar:

OCD and Calligraphy work well.

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Dagmar:

OCD and fonts do NOT.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MythNetvision.ogg

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floppyears:

iamlindoro: what's that video of?

[08:19:59]

iamlindoro:

A little plugin experiment

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floppyears:

iamlindoro: looks awesome :)

[08:20:43]

oobe:

is that mythtube revamped?

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floppyears:

is it just to play youtube content?

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iamlindoro:

same idea, rewritten from scratch

[08:21:01]

iamlindoro:

no, it will take drop-in scripts

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iamlindoro:

you can write a script for anything you like, as long as it returns acceptable XML, it would work in this plugin

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MaxeyPad:

is there a remote that is really easy to setup with mythtv that you guys would recommend

[08:22:16]

oobe:

that video has alvaro's name in it is he making it or you

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floppyears:

MaxeyPad: the mceusb remotes are easy to get to work with mythtv http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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iamlindoro:

oobe, I adapted one of the MythTube scripts to work with the new format, so I left the version string giving him credit

[08:23:02]

iamlindoro:

oobe, The code is all from scratch, by me

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oobe:

nice work can it work in .22

[08:23:24]

iamlindoro:

It could, yes

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oobe:

sweet cause i remember when 21 was newish and mythtube was in trunk i couldnt wait and now .22 is out mythtube was no longer

[08:24:15]

oobe:

so i would be annoyed if it happened again

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iamlindoro:

This code is all proper Qt4 and MythUI, MythTube wasn't

[08:24:33]

oobe:

when will you make the code available

[08:24:35]

iamlindoro:

meaning there's no reason this code should stop working

[08:24:53]

iamlindoro:

It's only 8 hours old, so probably not for a while

[08:25:13]

MaxeyPad:

thanks floppyears

[08:25:24]

MaxeyPad:

can mythtv do DXVA decoding on nvidia cards

[08:25:45]

Makere:

VDPAU

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Makere:

DXVA is windows thingie

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oobe:

if it only took you 8 hrs to do that then i dont see the wait time to be too long :)

[08:26:40]

iamlindoro:

Well, when and if I release it, I'd want it to be with more than one script, and more than just a search

[08:27:08]

iamlindoro:

meaning I need to think through how to offer a "directory" view for things like Hulu, ABC video, etc.

[08:27:38]

iamlindoro:

and possibly whip up some script for other video sites

[08:31:26]

oobe:

nice

[08:31:44]

oobe:

a bit like mythstream only less static

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iamlindoro:

The idea is to offer a way to pop up a web browser for things like Hulu/ABC/CBS/iPlayer to respect their Terms of Service, but for sites with more open terms/conditions, to allow playback straight in the internal player

[08:33:12]

iamlindoro:

as in, something that could actually be included in Myth

[08:33:29]

iamlindoro:

but expandable enough that you could theoretically write a script for just about any site

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oobe:

i get it great idea

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superm1:

similar to what boxee does for hulu

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iamlindoro:

pretty much

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superm1:

somehow they script the web browser to launch the video player full screen though

[08:34:53]

iamlindoro:

In theory that could be figured out here too

[08:34:57]

iamlindoro:

Anything's possible, anyway

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superm1:

i wonder if it's just something like injecting a keypress

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iamlindoro:

Almost definitely

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iamlindoro:

they use the same webkit core we do, and it's the only way I can conceive of them doing it

[08:37:12]

iamlindoro:

anyway, enough for one day, off to bed

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MaxeyPad:

Makere: So I will take that as a yes that I can use a lowend nvidia card for decoding

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Makere:

yes

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Makere:

I have 8500GT myself

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floppyears:

when I select opengl as the paint engine in the settings, things seem to fade from one menu to the next

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floppyears:

is this a feature or is my hardware too slow to handle it ?

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gsommer:

I'm looking for the option for having mythwelcome NOT autostart mythfrontend – when mythwelcome is launched... I've tried "mythwelcome --setup", but I cannot find the option for controlling that...

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obel:

Hi i´m trying to get my twinhan 1041 to work with mythbuntu ANYONE got this card working??

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stalks:

Subtitles on shows that are 4:3 are large and stretched, causing them to go off-screen. I am deaf so this is show stopper for me on these shows :( Example: http://www.nooblet.org/blog/gallery/misc/mythtv-subs.jpg ;— I have messed with OSD settings but can't find an option that changes the size of DVB subtitles

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stalks:

Using, svn 22917 (2009-11–28 22:07:27) ~2days old.

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floppyears:

is there a way to increase the font size on some of the mythtv themes?

[10:12:29]

justinh:

yes. By editing the font size definitions

[10:12:32]

floppyears:

the description and information on the list of recorded shows is too small to read in the tv

[10:12:57]

floppyears:

justinh: I tried going into the settings and changing the size of the fonts, but it only changed the font size in the qt dialogs

[10:13:01]

justinh:

in 0.22 I *think* the font size scaling value still works

[10:13:20]

justinh:

there are a few ways to change font sizes:

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justinh:

1.edit the themes directly

[10:13:41]

justinh:

2. change the font scaling value in the appearance setting screen

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justinh:

3. can't remember if it was changed prior to 0.22 but there used to be a choice of large, small & default font sizes in the appearance setup screen which would – if the <large> and <small> font sizes were defined in the theme – use alternative font sizes according to the setting. But I think that might have been disabled in 0.22 I can't remember

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stalks:

justinh, I've noticed the large/small/default setting, its still there

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floppyears:

I had tried using the large/small/default font size, but that only changed the qt pages

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floppyears:

using the scaling % worked :)

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floppyears:

thanks guys

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justinh:

the setting is still there yes

[10:18:44]

justinh:

but I wouldn't bet my house on it working

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justinh:

it def. won't work in trunk

[10:19:06]

justinh:

and the % scaling feature will be gone in 0.23

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justinh:

in other words in future if you want bigger/smaller fonts, use a different theme or edit one yourself

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stalks:

My issue is to do with fonts, perhaps you can help. DVB subtitles on old 4:3 shows are large, stretched and off-screen

[10:20:20]

justinh:

which ultimately means themers no longer have to a) worry about 3 font sizes per font used b) that users will specify daft font scalings & complain things don't fit

[10:20:31]

stalks:

I have messed with those apearence settings but I dont see any change in font sizes

[10:20:31]

justinh:

DVD subtitles are *not* fonts

[10:20:35]

justinh:

they're bitmaps

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stalks:

ah ok, that'd be why then

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stalks:

My upgrade to 0.22 has brought about this issue

[10:21:08]

justinh:

DVB subtitles are *generally* bitmaps but they can be text

[10:21:18]

justinh:

ATSC subtitltes are text only

[10:21:39]

justinh:

you can change the subtitle/CC font settings & see if it helps

[10:21:43]

stalks:

its UK DVB, ITV2 shows like Darling Buds of May, Doctor Quinn ... generally stuff that the Wife is pouting about not being able to watch now :)

[10:21:52]

justinh:

but if you're in the UK, DVB subs are only bitmaps

[10:22:12]

justinh:

stalks: are you by any chance using auto zoom/crop ?

[10:22:33]

stalks:

I'm using defaults, I'll open a recording now and check

[10:22:51]

justinh:

I dunno what the default is for that

[10:23:23]

justinh:

put it this way – are 4:3 recordings shown in pillarbox form i.e. with black bars at the sides?

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stalks:

yes

[10:24:25]

stalks:

this is what it looks like

[10:24:26]

stalks:

http://www.nooblet.org/blog/gallery/misc/mythtv-subs.jpg

[10:25:22]

stalks:

"Zoom" in Playback settings is set to "Auto Detext (Default Off). During playback aspect ratio says "Off", I have tried changing the aspect ratio but the subtitles jsut stretch with the picture (still being off-screen etc.)

[10:25:47]

stalks:

Normal shows subtitles have square fonts and are perfect

[10:27:02]

justinh:

maybe it's a bug then

[10:27:20]

stalks:

When I submit a bug report, what level of log detail should I run the backend

[10:27:23]

justinh:

which video renderer are you using?

[10:27:37]

justinh:

backend log won't be relevant

[10:27:47]

justinh:

frontend log may not be either

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stalks:

VDPAU usually, I have tried ffmpeg/xvideo and ffmpeg/opengl

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justinh:

no difference with any others?

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stalks:

unfortunately, no :(

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stalks:

frontend mentions that the OSD resolution has chanegd to 640x480

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stalks:

not sure if that is relevant to the video size being smaller

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justinh:

stalks: ok include that info on the ticket & the screenshot will help immensely

[10:29:06]

justinh:

what video res are you running at?

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stalks:

1280x720

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justinh:

and not using different video modes for different video sizes?

[10:29:48]

justinh:

if you just use the defaults you won't be btw

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stalks:

I don't beleiev I am no

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stalks:

Before I submit a ticket I'm going to backup and try again with a fresh settings/database, just restoer the tables required to get the recordings back. I haven't done a fresh install for a year or more

[10:31:35]

justinh:

probably totally not necessary

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stalks:

hmm, okay, ticket then :

[10:32:06]

justinh:

unless there's a hidden 'mess up 4:3 subtitles' setting ;-)

[10:34:05]

justinh:

any subs streams should always be shown at the same res/aspect as the video

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justinh:

because they're all the same resolution & aspect

[10:34:24]

justinh:

infact even 16:9 shows will have 4:3 safe subtitles

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justinh:

wait a minute. is the display aspect set to 16:9 ?

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justinh:

in mythfrontend I mean

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stalks:

its set to "Off", 4:3 looks the same, 16:9 stretches the video and the subtitles with it and the issue remains

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stalks:

Actually, tell a lie

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justinh:

no I mean the appearance display aspect

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stalks:

video stretches

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stalks:

subtitles stay exatly the same

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stalks:

k, 1 min

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justinh:

certainly could be a bug if what you're saying there is true :)

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stalks:

I can't find an aspect ratio in appearence settings

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stalks:

However, Playback -> General Playback -> Video Aspect Overring = Off

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stalks:

Override*

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justinh:

I don't think there's any doubt your settings are ok

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stalks:

Screen Settings in Appearence have 0 for GUI width/height and off-sets

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justinh:

is this affecting all 4:3 shows on all channels?

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stalks:

I'm recording from ITV2, I havent' tested Live or other channels, I can test by channel hopping until I find another, hope it has subs

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justinh:

and er just for giggles try enabling autozoom

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stalks:

didn't auto zoom used to be in the player menu?

[10:44:35]

justinh:

no

[10:45:11]

justinh:

autozoom is new to 0.22

[10:46:00]

justinh:

personally I'd always have it disabled. personally I'd rather all the 4:3 content be thrown in the bin

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stalks:

Wife watches Doctor Quinn most days .. and she is deaf. She has bycotted the TV until its fixed lol

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justinh:

it's quite strange how subtitles are something that seems to come up in here a lot

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justinh:

if you have any 4:3 DVDs with subtitles you could try to see if they're the same

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pac0:

i have an issue with af9015, need to shutdown the computer for work this card, if i restart i have channels unavailables

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justinh:

pac0: #linuxtv

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stalks:

justinh, I can't find the autozoom setting :/

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pac0:

thanx

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justinh:

stalks: hang on a sec

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justinh:

utils/setup >setup > tv settings >playback. on the 2nd page

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stalks:

Zoom: Auto Detect, Half, Full etc?

[10:51:23]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

try auto

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stalks:

Its currenlt on "Auto Detect (Default Off)", there is another "Auto Detect (Default Half)", I'll try that

[10:54:07]

stalks:

Hasn't changed anything, doesn't look like its zoomed. If I put ful/half/h:stretch (not auto), the video stretches as expected but subtitles remain unaffected

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justinh:

yea could be a bug-ette

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stalks:

mount -o loop -t ext3 /mnt/backup/linux-backup/sith.nooblet.org/sith.nooblet.org_lvm-system-var_var_20 091129.dd /mnt/backup-var

[10:56:29]

stalks:

ffs wrong windows

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stalks:

mounting a backup so I can found out what svn I upgraded from

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

hmmm tmdb's sponsor is Moovida. Spit!

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justinh:

0438199: 'VID_REC' FSIMAGEP: Initialising video directory /hdd0/video/DIR00119 (

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justinh:

oops

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gsommer:

I'm looking for the option for having mythwelcome NOT autostart mythfrontend – when mythwelcome is launched... I've tried "mythwelcome --setup", but I cannot find the option for controlling that...

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justinh:

tried mythwelcome --help?

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justinh:

heh fat lot of use that'd be

[11:28:17]

justinh:

I just ran mythwelcome for only the second time in my life. It still has no place on any of my boxes

[11:28:48]

Dibblah:

stalks: Any chance of narrowing down which changeset caused the issue?

[11:29:04]

Dibblah:

Mythwelcome is just... Odd.

[11:29:14]

Dibblah:

It's a good idea, in some ways.

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justinh:

yeah I can see that

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justinh:

but why not just improve mythfrontend & do away with mythwelcome instead?

[11:29:46]

stalks:

Dibblah: I can revert back to r22208 and work my way up, any particular revisions I should aim for?

[11:29:58]

Dibblah:

Bisect would be quicker...

[11:30:23]

Dibblah:

ie try halfway between works / doesn't, then use that as an indicator of which way to go.

[11:30:45]

Dibblah:

Also, double check that it's the Myth revision and not something that has changed in the stream.

[11:31:02]

justinh:

wouldn't put it past ITV knackering things

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stalks:

Dibblah, I'll start right away

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stalks:

its times like these that I'm glag I'm so paranoid and keep daily images/database backups

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. SVN doesn't have a native bisect command :(

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antgel:

gsommer: is it not a case of pressing Menu in mythwelcome?

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Dibblah:

http://search.cpan.org/~infinoid/App-SVN-Bise . . . n/svn-bisect

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stalks:

stuartm replied saying that a downgrade to r22583 is needed. He must know where the problem lies

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gsommer:

antgel: Ohh you're right... I missed that option there... "Automaticlly Start Myth Frontend"

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stalks:

22584: Scale and position DVB subtitles according to the display size and not a hardcoded screen size of 720x576. This fixes the display of DVB subtitles with HD material [...]

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antgel:

gsommer: i came across that whilst scanning the mythwelcome wiki page last night ;)

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stalks:

mwahaha, I have a plan now :) I can have it fixed in an hour!

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antgel:

one of my last tasks for this system is to investigate automatic startup and shutdown on both my combined backends / frontends

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justinh:

why the hell is the default to automagically start mythfrontend?

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justinh:

never used to AFAIK

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Dibblah:

stalks: Easiest fix is to revert that change.

[11:37:25]

Dibblah:

However, if you have programming / debugging skills...

[11:37:40]

Dibblah:

A proper fix would be appreciated by many in your situation :)

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stalks:

I'm looking at it now, I think my head is going to explode

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justinh:

muh.. is a $hdd fast enough for 720p HD. DUH

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stalks:

I think 720p only requires 2–5MByte/s

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justinh:

yeah the people asking these questions need a slap

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stalks:

plus he said "My 3 year old sata is fine"

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stalks:

He just wants reassurance before he spends money :)

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justinh:

if they were talking about uncompressed HD.. yeah

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justinh:

then it'd be a factor

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stalks:

make -j4 is so fast :o

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justinh:

if you have > 2 CPUs sure

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[Peter]:

that'd include pretty much everyone today though :)

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justinh:

not necessarily

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justinh:

wow stalks talk about shooting wide about the bug you found

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justinh:

posted on mythtvtalk too.

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stalks:

I posted on user list yesterday, came on here a few hours before you showed up

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stalks:

fixed now

[12:47:06]

stalks:

manually reverting changes in r22584 to mythtv/libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp has done it :)

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stalks:

I ahd recompiled 4 times searching for the revision, so thank god stuartm let me know about his commit :)

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justinh:

in fairness everybody even thinking about using trunk should follow the -commits mailing list religiously

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justinh:

mornin'

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stuarta:

greetings and hallucinations

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justinh:

how you doing? not seen you about for a while

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stuarta:

not too bad

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stuarta:

been quite busy to say the least

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justinh:

me...'king awful. Terrible week just gone by. Good news, then bad news. Very bad news. Not away from the brink yet either. Will know more tomorrow. Life's a BITCH

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stuarta:

ouch

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stuarta:

highlight of my weekend has been sorting out native ipv6 to my house

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justinh:

considering cancelling Christmas but it'll prolly not come to that ;-)

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justinh:

blimey. which ISP do you need for that?

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stuarta:

could always just get one of those black "bah humbug" hats?!?!

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stuarta:

goscomb.net

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trumee__:

guys, i am looking for a cheap motherboard which can do vdpau. I know about intel motherboards, but was wondering if amd might be cheaper. What is the equivalent of core d uo on amd?

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justinh:

nah that'd be what they call rolling over in despair I think

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justinh:

trumee__: AM2 ?

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justinh:

AMD are generally cheaper. It's shown whenever I succumbed to it

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justinh:

less so nowadays it's been said

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trumee__:

AM2 it is then. is this a core 2 duo as well , AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core

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trumee__:

4200+

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justinh:

you mean dual core? yes

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justinh:

I chose not to keep up with AMD developments

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trumee__:

no, i mean core 2 duo >dual core.

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justinh:

core2 duo is intel's bag

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trumee__:

i have that processor and i have found it to struggle on x264. is AM2 better than that processor?

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justinh:

whether or not AMD do equivalents would keep afficionados arguing for days

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justinh:

think you need to look at some performance charts

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trumee__:

i am hoping to get a AM2 processor from ebay, and a new vdpau motherboard.

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trumee__:

intel processors are expensive. can myth keep up with a baseline core 2 duo processor?

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justinh:

keep up with *what* ?

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trumee__:

my goal is to play x264. maybe from HD PVR in the future.

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justinh:

x264 is not a codec

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justinh:

don't skimp on CPU at all if you want software playback

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trumee__:

but wouldnt vdpau help here.

[14:09:28]

justinh:

having seen vdpau myself I wouldn't rely on it completely

[14:09:44]

justinh:

xvmc episode 2

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justinh:

if you wanna fall back to using the cpu to decode HD video, get as fast a CPU as you can afford. If not faster

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justinh:

the greater the bitrate & higher the complexity of the video encoding, the more CPU you need

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justinh:

and HDPVR video isn't low bitrate.. aand it's pretty complex

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justinh:

anyway are there even any AMD motherboards with integrated Nvidia graphics?

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trumee__:

guys, i receive only SD tv on my cable. is it ok to hook stb to computer using composite (using hauppage 1110). or will it be benefical to feed using component.

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trumee__:

is composite ok for SDTV?

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trumee__:

my plan is cable stb -> HVR 1110> hdmi >TV

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justinh:

trumee__: SDTV cable boxes in the UK don't even have component video outputs. They do composite or RGB

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justinh:

and FWIW, unless that HVR card has an onboard mpeg encoder, forget it for capturing analogue

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trumee:

justinh, why do you think capturing analogue will be a problem? is it cpu usage?

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trumee:

no HVR doesnt have an onboard encoder.

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trumee:

justinh, any reason why HVR will not be good to record through composite?

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trumee:

damn, i am on such a shitty network connection right now.

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trumee:

either this irc is dead at the moment, or my connection is dying.

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wagnerrp:

nope, channel is just dead currently

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wagnerrp:

trumee: see logs at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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trumee:

wagnerrp, thanks.

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trumee:

i was wondering why recording through composite on hvr 1110 is a bad idea.

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wagnerrp:

because its a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

and not svideo

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trumee:

hmm. so the issue is quality of the signal, not the cpu usage?

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wagnerrp:

both

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trumee:

so pvr-350 would help, since it has a media encoder on it?

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wagnerrp:

350 is acceptable, 150/500 are much newer and generally better quality

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wagnerrp:

but if at all possible, you want to be using an mpeg encoder instead of a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

aside from just CPU usage, framegrabbers are going to have a lot of other limitations

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, svideo > composite in terms of quality

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trumee:

i need to bug my cable provider if i can get hold of a box with s-video out.

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wagnerrp:

and nearly everything that supports composite will support svideo

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wagnerrp:

unless you happen to have a 10+ year old cable box or something

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trumee:

is buying an HD PVR future proof than buying PVR 150, since HD PVR also has composite/S-video in?

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wagnerrp:

i suppose, but its going to be a lot more expensive

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trumee:

dont how much more expensive is HD PVR over PVR 150 though

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trumee:

i will have to settle for 150 then :)

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wagnerrp:

and from what ive heard, british cable providers have the capability of disabling the analog outputs on their boxes

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wagnerrp:

leaving you to have to use an HD-Fury for anything HD

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** devinheitmueller is hoping to spend some cycles improving the framegrabber support now that he is spending time working on improving userland... **

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** wagnerrp thinks its a lost cause **

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devinheitmueller:

There are various applications where framegrabber is useful – lower cost tuners, realtime playback (for things like consoles), playback when you have no interest in recording.

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wagnerrp:

ok, in terms of mythtv....

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wagnerrp:

single input livetv, a framegrabber works just fine

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wagnerrp:

since its just pumping straight into the video/audio cards

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devinheitmueller:

So, for cost conscious users, it can be useful to be able to get a $20 hybrid tuner and use ATSC 99% of the time and still be able to hook up a VCR for occasional playback.

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devinheitmueller:

I agree though, that for users who are planning on using the analog for DVR functionality that the MPEG encoder is definitely the way to go.

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about just working on the V4L drivers though, not anything to do with mythtv

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devinheitmueller:

No, I'm hoping to spend some cycles working on the MythTV side too, where appropriate.

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devinheitmueller:

There are a number of cases where the MythTV code does things that are not ideal when interacting with V4L devices.

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trumee:

ok it seems that PVR 500 has dual tuners. if i use s-video cable from the stb, PVR will split the signal inside to use both tuners?

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wagnerrp:

do most framegrabbers still require passthrough to a sound card? or do they have internal capture

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wagnerrp:

trumee: svideo only contains a single video signal

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: most of the new cards have internal capture and KernelLabs has recently been working on making it work with a number of cards (I just added it for the HVR-1600, Steven Toth just added it for the HVR-1800)

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wagnerrp:

by using svideo you are completely bypassing the tuner and hitting the mpeg encoder directly

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wagnerrp:

the ports on the back of the card go to the first encoder

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trumee:

i want to be able to use two tuners, so that i can record one and show the other. how can i do that with only single s-video on the stb?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: and for most of the USB tuners, there is *no* passthrough available – the only option is an ALSA capture device.

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use the second encoder, you must buy the daughter card that hooked into the white header on the board

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wagnerrp:

i just remember one of the big problems with those cards was that you ended up needing one sound card (or at least line-in) for each tuner card

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yup. Very frustrating.

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wagnerrp:

there have been a number of users in here struggling with that on pchdtv cards the last couple weeks

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trumee:

uh oh, since i have only one stb, i can only record one channel at a time :(

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: With newer cards, people are having the opposite problem – the card doesn't have a passthrough cable option, and they cannot figure out how to playback the ALSA device while viewing the video (and keeping lipsync)

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Anyway, it's an area that can use some improvement and I am hoping to work on it some more.

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trumee:

wagnerrp, if i get two stb's to get two s-video signals. how would the channel changing work, since if i use an irblaster, both the stb's will respond to the same ir signal simultaneously.

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trumee:

i will end up having the same channel on both the stbs

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wagnerrp:

generally, IR blasters are glued directly onto the receiver on the STB

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wagnerrp:

so each STB will receive only what you send to it

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wagnerrp:

even if they use the same codes

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devinheitmueller:

trumee: you need to ensure that you have two IR blasters, and each IR blaster cannot see the the other STB.

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wagnerrp:

an alternate might be serial if your STB has that capability

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trumee:

wagnerrp, so i need some sort of protection around the stb.

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wagnerrp:

protection?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.snapstream.com/store/EnlargePVR-150_IRBlaster.asp

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trumee:

wagnerrp, (irblaster glued to stb) out of sight from second (irblaster glued to stb)

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wagnerrp:

see that smallest little plastic thing

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wagnerrp:

theres a bit of clear double-sided tape on the back

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wagnerrp:

you stick it to the receiver on the STB

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wagnerrp:

and it points only at the receiver

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wagnerrp:

there should be little/no cross talk from those types of blasters

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trumee:

how does that jack connect to the computer?

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wagnerrp:

that is one designed for the PVR-150, the vanilla versions have a port on the back to receive that

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wagnerrp:

http://shopping.canoe.ca/ss/media/22802000/22802701.jpg

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wagnerrp:

thats the MCEUSB2 receiver

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wagnerrp:

on the back, you see two jacks, each accept one blaster similar to that other one

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trumee:

ok. i am thinking this in my head now. i need to have two stbs. 1 pvr 150 which will come with an ir blaster. 1 extra ir blaster. 1 daugher card to mount on pvr 150. two s-video cable to connect from two stb to the mother+daughter of pvr150. is that right?

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wagnerrp:

the 150s only have a single mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

and will only capture a single stream

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wagnerrp:

you only need a daughter card for access to the second encoder on a 500

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sid3windr:

and they don't have a blaster afaik

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trumee:

ok, are you saying i need a 500 +daughter card instead of 150?

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wagnerrp:

you can use either

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wagnerrp:

2x 150, or 1x500 + daughter card

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wagnerrp:

they work exactly the same

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sid3windr:

2x 150 would give you 2 blasters

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sid3windr:

does a 500 have an ir blaster?

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sid3windr:

mine don't

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sid3windr:

mce models though I think

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trumee:

ah ok. will have to work out which will be cheaper. at the moment i have an hvr 1110, i guess it goes to the bin.

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wagnerrp:

the vanilla versions do, the mce versions do not

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sid3windr:

ok :)

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wagnerrp:

the 1110 will work just fine as a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

no reason to trash it

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wagnerrp:

just get an antenna

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i only have an SD input and no digital signal. it is not for uk :)

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trumee:

on a side not. does a single HD PVR provide a single tuner, or does it have double tuners?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

it has no tuner

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devinheitmueller:

trumee: It has no tuner, but can only capture on a single input at once (you cannot capture on both S-Video and Component at the same time)

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devinheitmueller:

... which is what I suspect is what you were really asking.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, where do you intend to use this?

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wagnerrp:

as you are currently in the UK

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trumee:

india

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wagnerrp:

india uses DVB-T, that HVR-1110 will work just fine

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wagnerrp:

they also use PAL, so make sure to get the PAL version of any cards you purchase (same as would be available in he UK)

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trumee:

There is not DVB-T in india. Only satellite feed and cable tv (dont know whether it is digital or analogue, but definitely need an stb)

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wagnerrp:

wikipedia says otherwise.... but im not going to argue

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wagnerrp:

they may just mean its a DVB country in general

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wagnerrp:

not that there are any existing -T stations

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wagnerrp:

"The state broadcaster Doordarshan started a pilot trial in Delhi during 2002, which is extending to Calcutta, Mumbai, and Chenai"

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wagnerrp:

so it does exist, but to what extent i dont know

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i stand incorrect. there is certainly dvb-t in 4 cities.

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

but for all i know, it could just be that one station

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trumee:

need to run out now. back in some time.

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wagnerrp:

(looking through http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/india/index.html)

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wagnerrp:

bleh, took too long to type out

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: in the python rewrite, ive added a fair bit of code that only works if your content is in storage groups.... do you see that being a problem in 0.23?

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wagnerrp:

i mean i dont want RDV Linux to have to re-implement stuff i already have in the bindings in order to support users with locally access files

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iamlindoro:

Not a problem for me personally, but I could forsee some people being unhappy with it

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wagnerrp:

i figure especially with the hash feature, it should be relatively painless for users to switch

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justinh:

if ISOs become supported in SGs I can't see any reason why people would prefer local stores

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wagnerrp:

whats with all these people wondering if their disks are fast enough?

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wagnerrp:

i mean theres been at least half a dozen of these conversations on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

do people really have that little concept of the performance of their hardware?

[17:32:15]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: No, they do not.

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devinheitmueller:

;-)

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justinh:

they also don't bother looking for previous posts

[17:33:27]

simonckenyon:

justinh: oh yes please. i have all these isos that i'm slowly converting to avi. would save me a ton of time and cpu

[17:34:12]

wagnerrp:

i should go pull my old 4200RPM quantum out of the closet, and start recording on that

[17:34:23]

wagnerrp:

only an hour and a half at a time though...

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wagnerrp:

then ill have to dump it to another drive

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justinh:

why anybody *chooses* avi these days...

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simonckenyon:

so what should i use?

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wagnerrp:

mkv, mp4, one of the TS variants, ...

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justinh:

avi is just a container.. a very crap one

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wagnerrp:

avi is a very limited format

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simonckenyon:

problem is that dvd::rip does not support clustering on anything other than avi

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justinh:

all the dvds I've ripped have either been to iso or mp4

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wagnerrp:

and half the stuff in there is shoehorned functionality not actually to spec

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wagnerrp:

s/half/most/

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simonckenyon:

well if SG supported iso i would not have to convert anything

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wagnerrp:

so mount the disk, and cat the VOBs to a single file

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wagnerrp:

should work with any dvd that doesnt use multiple angles

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justinh:

or reauthor it with dvdshrink or whatever

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wagnerrp:

which basically means you wont be able to do that with Tombstone

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wagnerrp:

thats the only multi-angle disk ive ever seen

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justinh:

multi-angle is lame IMHO. only has any real application in porn

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justinh:

did they even bother with it for bluray?

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justinh:

heh apparently they did

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wagnerrp:

'awkward' is an understatement when your rip keeps repeating itself in 3-second blocks of video

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wagnerrp:

took me a while to figure out just what was going on

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sid3windr:

multi-angle = porn, no? :P

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simonckenyon:

ok. thanks for the info

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wagnerrp:

im not even sure why the disk was multi-angle

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wagnerrp:

oh, and stuff like Blade Runner, where you have fourteen different re-cuts of the film on one disk

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wagnerrp:

with 60 odd video files

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wagnerrp:

using the menu system to stitch them all together

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wagnerrp:

that was fun, i just gave up

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justinh:

damn these producers who never stop revisiting their material

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jheizer:

Hello

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jheizer:

I am having a weird problem, I can;t record from one channel, but I can live tv view it

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jheizer:

MBE log from record http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1694187

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devinheitmueller:

Blade Runner is a bit of an extreme case. I think it's had something like three Director's cuts now..

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jheizer:

problem happens on QAM channel 43.1 from Comcast, all other channels work just fine

[17:48:22]

wagnerrp:

check to see if youre using 'quick tune' in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

although i think that problem exhibits itself the opposite direction

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wagnerrp:

you can record from it, but not watch livetv

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jheizer:

Library API : 0.22.20091023–1 from JY repo

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jheizer:

do need to go ahead and update, but yeah, usually it seems like live breaks instead of recordings

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: does the "quick-tune" feature only work for LiveTV? If LiveTV behaves differently than the tuning done for recording programs, that is a scary proposition.

[17:50:25]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: its optional, something to do with not waiting for a program table before proceeding to set the filters

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: sure, I realize it's optional, but does the tuning code path differ depending on whether it is live tv versus a recording?

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wagnerrp:

you can enable quick-tune on both

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devinheitmueller:

hmm...

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justinh:

thought there was only one quicktune setting

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wagnerrp:

i thought you could use it for both... i just turn it off completely and forget about it

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justinh:

only one quicktune db column

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jheizer:

ok, I must be dumb, can't find it, I thought it was under cards, recording options

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justinh:

input connectoins

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justinh:

*connections

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justinh:

or maybe recording options within capture card setup

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justinh:

the db setting is in cardinput anyway

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jheizer:

bah, use quick tuning: live tv only

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jheizer:

switching to never

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wagnerrp:

but you said recording fails, livetv works

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jheizer:

ah, true

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jheizer:

ok, 2 min, set to always

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jheizer:

and actually, my second qam card was set to always, and I had 1 recoding on this channel work in the last 3 weeks, ,so might have been why

[18:00:16]

jheizer:

was gone for a week, home 2 days, gone for a week, so lots of failed recordings

[18:00:31]

jheizer:

my first time having issues in years and years of myth

[18:01:11]

jheizer:

no complaints here, just confused why it stopped working while I was gone

[18:01:31]

jheizer:

but the channel does take a bit longer to tune via the tv now I think, so maybe that had an effect?

[18:01:41]

jheizer:

I tried increasing the timeouts on the tuners

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jheizer:

nice, that worked :-)

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jheizer:

wife will be happy fox is back for the stupid dance show

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was ABC

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justinh:

I thought that was the BBC

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justinh:

and ITV

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jheizer:

"So you think you can dance", guess there are do many dumb dancing shows

[18:04:18]

wagnerrp:

its agreed, tv producers on all stations are equally uncreative

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jheizer:

lmao

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justinh:

we have "strictly come dancing", "dancing on ice" for starters. Oh and now some Michael Jacko dancy show

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jheizer:

I just hope this isn't the precursor to me losing the QAM channels

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justinh:

ahh Snore Forward tonight

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iamlindoro:

You Brits are just naturally rhythmic people

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wagnerrp:

well theres all kinds of '...on ice' shows you can go to watch over here

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wagnerrp:

but none ive seen on TV

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justinh:

D-List celebrities cut up with chainsaws alive on ice?

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justinh:

every time I watch FlashForward I want my money back. Wonder if a DVD box set could edit the episodes where things actually happen, together

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wagnerrp:

i mean 'star wars on ice' and the like

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

we get disney on ice

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wagnerrp:

yeah, disney too... i just recall seeing an ad for the star wars one in town recently

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justinh:

Lucas will stop at nothing to sully the greatness of the original three films

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jheizer:

Anything for a buck

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justinh:

so much for artistic integrity though huh

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rasda:

hi @all

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rasda:

i have problems setting up my dvb-t EIT

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rasda:

i dont get program listings

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darkdrgn2k3:

rasda: does the source transmit EITs, most of the ones around here dont

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: thats because youre in ATSC land

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rasda:

darkdrgn2k3: its a terratec cynergy T2 and i got it working under ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

dvb providers are generally a bit more liberal with the data they hand out

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: true... funny thing is they DO send it its just "PROGARM" lol

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rasda:

i live in berlin germany

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rasda:

i switched to debian now

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rasda:

i set it up like here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT

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darkdrgn2k3:

whats the best way to encode a DVD ISO to a format that keeps the quality good :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

wihout it taking up 4 gigs

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wagnerrp:

just run x264 single pass, with a quantizer of 20 or so

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rasda:

darkdrgn2k3: i use avidemux for converting

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wagnerrp:

should end up somewhere between 1–2GB based off the noise level

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wagnerrp:

more noise (like film grain), larger size

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darkdrgn2k3:

2gb is good

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darkdrgn2k3:

thnx

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sphery:

x/away

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darkdrgn2k3:

oo they got a windows version, i can run it on the quad core :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: WD Green 2TB for $139.99 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344

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darkdrgn2k3:

:-o

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wagnerrp:

18 is said to be 'perceivably lossless' from the source

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darkdrgn2k3:

146 canadian :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: hes only already got a dozen

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sphery:

Yeah, but is 24TB really enough?

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sphery:

The Seagate 2TB is the same cost – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148413

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sphery:

so I guess he'll prefer that one

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iamlindoro:

Prefer the WD, you mean

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iamlindoro:

What with Seagate being awful and all

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sphery:

I stand corrected--you have a rep for loving Seagate...

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wagnerrp:

he thought you were looking for paperweights

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iamlindoro:

heh

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darkdrgn2k3:

lol i love this review

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darkdrgn2k3:

of the 1tb

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k3: So, my recommendation for your DVD problem is the $146Cdn 2TB HDD

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darkdrgn2k3:

Pros: Just enough space

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darkdrgn2k3:

Cons: I was barely able to fit DOS on this

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darkdrgn2k3:

Other Thoughts: I have to unload wolfenstein 3D everytime i want to play minesweeper.

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: yes, unfortunaly ISOs no longer play on Myth in Storage Group mode!

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sphery:

s/no longer play/never have played/

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: 21 did :)

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sphery:

though--believe it or not--MythTV 0.22 did /not/ disable NFS

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: sorry your right

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sphery:

You can still use NFS

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: let me rephrase

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sphery:

even if just for your ISOs

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darkdrgn2k3:

sphery: i CANNOT play ISOS in Myth using Stoage Groups

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darkdrgn2k3:

(better)

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justinh:

nobody can

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sphery:

but NFS still works... (No root kits disabling kernel-level functionality in Myth, yet)

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elmojo:

here is a cool tool for anyone wanting to convert ISO to MKV with all the goodies -> http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=224

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elmojo:

also works for DVD and Bluray

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wagnerrp:

note that tool just grabs the TS files and concatenates them into an mkv container

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elmojo:

and adds Subtitles, Chapters, etc

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wagnerrp:

right, but no transcoding, so youre going to have those 4–6GB files still

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elmojo:

yes and for people like Simon it would be perfect

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wagnerrp:

simon?

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elmojo:

the person you told that AVI was a bad container to use

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wagnerrp:

well theres no point to 'clustering' if youre not transcoding

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wagnerrp:

and he left anyway

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darkdrgn2k3:

for avidemux do you select the ISO or extract the iso first

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Thelasko:

Any mirobridge users here?

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darkdrgn2k3:

any one ever use handbreak?

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Thelasko:

My videos don't seem to be getting marked as "watched" under the my recordings screen.

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iamlindoro:

Thelasko: That doesn't have anything to do with Mirobridge, though

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RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: What do you need to know?

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Thelasko:

I watch a video I downloaded with Mirobridge, and the mirobridge log says it's still new and unwatched

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iamlindoro:

something getting marked watched or not is done by the frontend, not mirobridge

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RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: That is a Miro data base setting.

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iamlindoro:

are you explicitly marking it as watched? Have you enabled the option to automatically mark videos as watched?

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Thelasko:

I wasn't aware that I had to enable it

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Dagmar:

You are now.

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iamlindoro:

something getting marked as watched when you watch it is a frontend functionality, not a mirobridge one

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iamlindoro:

and it's off by default

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Thelasko:

ah, thanks!

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iamlindoro:

By default you have to open the context menu and mark the item as watched

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Thelasko:

one more question

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Thelasko:

is there a setting in mirobridge that tells it to only download the best quality video?

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iamlindoro:

Mirobridge only downloads what Miro downloads

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RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: No you need to pick the right Miro channel usually the HD one

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iamlindoro:

so what gets downloaded is determined entirely by Miro

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iamlindoro:

(and what you subscribe to)

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Thelasko:

well, the channel I subscribed too has both SD and HD content

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iamlindoro:

If it mixes then in a single channel, you're going to get both

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Thelasko:

But only HD downloads automatically

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Thelasko:

my machine is quite old and can't play the HD content

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Saviq:

guys, I have a frontend on a slow-ish wifi connection, is it normal in 0.22 that the recordings menu is slower than in 0.21? it seems that before it loaded all data and then browsing the list was instant, now it takes up to a second to load every entry...

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Thelasko:

I don't have a problem if it downloads both.

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iamlindoro:

You need to figure out how to get it to download what you want within Miro-- mriobridge just spawns miro, has it do its updates, and imports the material into myth

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RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: I have a channel that mixes quality and I will get both the HD and iPod versions downloaded. This is all Miro and it's channels.

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Thelasko:

I'll have to play around with miro some more then

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Thelasko:

thanks!

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RDV_Linux:

np

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darkdrgn2k3:

ok when im doing MVK. what RF is good for a DVD ISO

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yalu:

this is going to be fun. Two partly overlapping programs and according to mythtv, no conflicts... but I only have one tuner.

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trumee:

anybody come across this http://mc2xml.110mb.com/

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fbnts:

Hi,

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fbnts:

Does anyone know if there is a netboot image of mythbuntu available?

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GlemSom:

I'm currently getting EPG over EIT. That actually works quite great... Though, Schedule recordings does not... I think the problem is, that a program title is actualle "NCIS (1)", and not "NCIS"... This makes Schedule recirdongs impossible as the show "NCIS (1)" will only occur one time, where what i really need to to record "NCIS*"

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GlemSom:

Is there a way around this?

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Daviey:

fbnts: netboot install image, or netboot to frontend?

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I440r:

can mythtv make use of a tv tuner thatas built directly into my monitor?

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I440r:

i mean. if i want to DVR it

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I440r:

im thinking probably not :/

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kormoc:

extremely unlikely

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fbnts:

netboot install image

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I440r:

oh well. it was a thought :P

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darkdrgn2k3:

I440r: short of putting a webcam pointed at the screen...

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fbnts:

I have a new frontend hardware which doesnt have a CD Rom

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darkdrgn2k3:

I440r: if it doesn have outputs... then no

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Daviey:

fbnts: just use the standard ubuntu netboot image, it'll offer you task selection at the end

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I440r:

if it did have outputs i would still need a tuner in my PC to connect it to

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I440r:

rite?

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Daviey:

fbnts: same here :)

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fbnts:

thats what I have tried – it just seems messy. I have installed ubuntu 9.10 and then used synaptic to install the various packages

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fbnts:

It seems to want to install the mysql server even though I have only selected frontend

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fbnts:

I can't find my USB pen which I would normally use to install mythbuntu

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Daviey:

fbnts: you *could* netboot the mythbuntu iso

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Dagmar:

So what exactly does it hurt to let it install some extra packages.

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fbnts:

ah, ok, is that easy to do? I already have DHCP etc set up.

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Dagmar:

It's not like if you let it do that and then remove those extra packages it's going to blow up and destroy your house or somethign

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Daviey:

fbnts: yeah, you just need to mount the iso as loopback

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Daviey:

fbnts: alternatively, for extra win – you could look into the ltsp and permently netboot the image :)

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fbnts:

I know but it just seems messy, the mythbuntu installer is quick and simple

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Dagmar:

It is also a _generic option_

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fbnts:

ah ok, so if I just mount the ISO in the tftp directory is that all I need to do?

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Dagmar:

Don't expect to be a 100% fit for every screwball purpose you might have

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Daviey:

fbnts: pretty much!

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Daviey:

hmm

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Daviey:

NFS is also helpful

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Dagmar:

fbnts: The most complex part of that operation is figuring out how to netboot, and that's not saying much

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Dagmar:

There's a page on the wiki on pxebooting, I put in a page on general DHCP server operation, I'm pretty sure there's some NFS docs up as well. Everything should be documented on the wiki

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sphery:

I440r: check http://linuxtv.org/wiki

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I440r:

tyty

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sphery:

I440r: they have a list of all the supported capture cards--so the ones you should choose from :)

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Daviey:

fbnts: if you mount the iso, and export it via nfs

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Daviey:

in your pxe boot conf file:

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Daviey:

LABEL LiveCD

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Daviey:

kernel casper/vmlinuz <---- tftp

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Daviey:

append boot=casper netboot=nfs nfsroot=10.0.0.2:/mnt/karmic/ initrd=casper/initrd.gz — <-- (initrd is via tftp)

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Dagmar:

You might find bits and pieces of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Diskless_Frontend to be useful as well

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fbnts:

hmm, ok I think I can live with the extra packages. The box I am running the TFTP from doesn't have enough diskspace for a whole CD image

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xaxes:

hey there.. Got today the 0.23 mythtv, and everytime live-tv "starts", mythtv changes xorg-values (Hz) .. Cant find the preferences to disable the auto-adjust of hz

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xaxes:

excuse my bad english

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iamlindoro:

More MythTV from the future

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iamlindoro:

.22 isn't even cold yet

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xaxes:

argh.. sorry .. my fault .. 0.22–3 ;)

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Dagmar:

Ya might wanna make a statement to the effect of "NO SUPPORT will be provided for binary packages which use made-up or not-yet-released version numbers!"

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Dagmar:

If someone's decided to release "0.23" they need the rat-stink slapped out of them

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xaxes:

xorg says Hz is auto.. but if it is "auto", I get "out of screen" message ;)

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Dagmar:

xaxes: You may have typo'd but someone'll probably release a "0.23" soon anyway

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devinheitmueller:

Hey everybody, I'm running MythTV 1.93 and I'm getting an error about the flux capacitor not having enough fuel.

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Dagmar:

So you need to look up the settings for your display and put them in there becuase it was mis-detecteed

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Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: Feed it more bannana peels

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xaxes:

Dagmar: can you tell me where to set the settings for display? didnt find it

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Dagmar:

xaxes: In the xorg.conf

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xaxes:

Dagmar: I set it in xorg (using nvidia-settings(-tool)) .. but starting live-tv in mythtv it get changed

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tmkt:

1.93? must be year 2809

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Dagmar:

Did you tell Myth to use different resolutions for the UI and playback?

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justinh:

Dagmar: I very much suspect so

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sphery:

Why do people want VDPAU support in Flash? Why not start with the basics--Xv?

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xaxes:

Dagmar: I didnt changed my setup since many months.. dont know.. (gonna look for)

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justinh:

that setting is in the Appearance section

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: I suspect it's because if they are going to beg for something, they might as well beg for the latest and greatest way to support H.264 decoding.

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xaxes:

aaah.. I got hit right at the moment justinh pasted it.. thanks guys! ... good evening :)

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justinh:

pasted?

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justinh:

has the world started spinning the wrong way or have I wandered into a parallel universe? People are saying thanks

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wagnerrp:

h.264 decoding on your quantum co-processor

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wagnerrp:

it displays a bunch noise on screen

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wagnerrp:

and somewhere in there is your video

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: you mean the latest and greatest way for to support H.264 decoding for people using a sufficiently-new nvidia video card supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: yup.

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sphery:

if they really need latest and greatest, at least VA-API

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devinheitmueller:

I agree that Xv would *also* be good to have for older systems, but might as well start by asking that it work well with relatively new hardware.

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sphery:

would work for vdpau stuff and eventually other

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sphery:

(including ATI and Intel)

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justinh:

how's the VA-POR video acceleration stuff coming along? ;-)

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sphery:

but, hey, Flash is proprietary garbage, so why not make users lock themselves in with even more proprietary/vendor-specific garbage

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Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: It won't do anything with "relatively new hardware" because XvMC is no longer being accellerated by anything above the 7xxx cards

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sphery:

Dagmar: Xv != XvMC

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sphery:

Xv = scaling of video

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mersault:

I ran jamu on a file earlier today for the first time in a while, and got this error: Info: You have a front end directory path that is a duplicate of this backend's storage group.

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sphery:

so the CPU isn't pushing 2M pixels per frame to the display

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mersault:

On my frontend, that directory does not exist, so I'm wondering where jamu is getting this from?

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wagnerrp:

mersault: exactly what the warning says

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Dagmar:

Like it matters

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sphery:

instead, it pushes pixels to an Xv surface at the size of the video and then Xv scales it

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wagnerrp:

you have 'VideoStorageDir' set on that frontend

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sphery:

/huge/ difference in performance

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wagnerrp:

and its set to the same path as the SG on the backend

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wagnerrp:

jamu is warning you about this so that if you ever scan, you dont end up with duplicates

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justinh:

doesn't Xv also do colourspace conversion on the fly too?

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mersault:

so it doesn't reflect the actual directory structure, just a setting in the DB then

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sphery:

it's the difference between Xshm and Xv playback in MPlayer

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sphery:

try it out

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Well, scanning in that scenario will just prefer the SG dir

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, but it expects YUV to start with (at least according to Adobe – http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/05/fl . . . the_gpu.html

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iamlindoro:

not create dupes

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mersault:

odd... I was pretty sure the frontend was set to use SG everywhere. I'll check out the settings and make sure it's set to use the SG

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sphery:

FAQ regarding hardware acceleration: Why doesn't the Flash Player on Linux user the X video extension (Xv)? -> Answer: Because Xv scales YUV data. Flash Player operates on RGB data.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Jamu only gets directory settings from specific to the back end and that is found using the local host name. I suspect you have a FE patch on that BE which is identical to the BE storage group.

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justinh:

mersault: you don't set frontends to use SGs

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sphery:

(all of about a 10min change to add a colorspace conversion in Flash)

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sphery:

which, btw, is having to do the colorspace from MPEG's YUV to Flash's RGB)

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justinh:

mersault: it supports SGs natively so if you define them on the backend that's all you ever need do

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justinh:

mersault: only local paths get defined on frontends

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mersault:

Yeah, that's why I found the error confusing. I only have one backend, and one frontend, and the backend doesn't have a frontend installed, I don't think

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wagnerrp:

then why are you running jamu?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont use mythfrontend, jamu will get you exactly nothing

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wagnerrp:

(well, it can rename your video files for you)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: He has a seperate FE

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mersault:

aha... that's right. I needed to install mythvideo (and thus the frontend) on the backend for jamu to run.

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mersault:

However, I have never actually run the FE on the backend host.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: In the end this is only a warning message. You can see exactly which directories Jamu will use if you run the -MVf options and Jamu v0.6.0

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justinh:

might soon be time for jamu to get its own support channel :D

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mersault:

RDV_Linux, which jamu is in the mythbuntu PPA?

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mersault:

ah, 0.5.9

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: But the users will find me too easily ;)

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justinh:

change your nick, worked for me :)

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Are you getting the daily Mythbuntu updates? They should have jamu v0.6.0 my now.

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mersault:

I ran the updates yesterday... will apt-get update/upgrade now then.

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: Do you change for user support avoidance advise? ;)

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iamlindoro:

mersault: Note RDV_Linux means you should have their nightly build repository enabled, not just their default updates

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: See: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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justinh:

RDV_Linux: I just went off matrix. changed emails etc. stopped the influx of whining soon enough

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: Sage advise no doubt.

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justinh:

lest I ever forget the threats

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justinh:

puts me off ever releasing anything again

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mersault:

iamlindoro, I'm aware. I've got mine set to the daily builds on the PPA.

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RDV_Linux:

justinh: I already sold my first born so am safe for the moment.

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justinh:

heh

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mersault:

well, this seems like a good time to say it I guess: I certainly appreciate the work everyone here puts into mythtv.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Not that the message starts with "INFO:" you may be getting all wound up for nothing.

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RDV_Linux:

s/Not/Note/

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mersault:

RDV_Linux, yeah, upgraded to 0.6.0, ran with the f option, and I think everything is good.

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trumee:

anybody aware of epgstream.net?

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mersault:

I just get curious when new messages that weren't there the last time I ran jamu pop up

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Makes sense I added new info as some users were having a problem analysing there set up issues.

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mersault:

ah, okay.

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justinh:

trumee: I am now. they just use xmltv

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trumee:

guys, got a basic question regarding cable tv. if a set top box is required to access cable tv, does it main that the feed to the box is digital tv (dvb-c)

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justinh:

trumee: guy, no

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: settop box could be analog..

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justinh:

not necessarily

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: but thats oold skewl

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justinh:

and no, you can't use a dvb-c card in the UK under the T&Cs of the provider contract

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trumee:

justinh, they have an epg for india. not sure how i can download it, they use a windows program.

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, what is the purpose of an analog set top box

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trumee:

justinh, in India you can (Thank God for that)

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: to receive analog cabletv on tv's that dont support the analog CATV frequencies.

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iamlindoro:

trumee: "They" aren't providing any of the data, they're just a nice frotnedn for all the exiting XMLTV stuff AFAICT

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iamlindoro:

s/exiting/existing/

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, dies it mean if i hook up the cable to a Pvr 150, and do a scan, i can tune into a channel?

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justinh:

you can't do analogue scanning in 0.22

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trumee:

iamlindoro, i have installed it onto a machine. i dont know how to dig out the url. The software seems to connect to their own server.

[20:03:48]

trumee:

justinh, not good then. i remember using xawtv/tvtime before on an analogue cable (before the set top box era). how does that work then?

[20:04:21]

justinh:

just means mythtv's analogue scanning is broken right now

[20:04:42]

trumee:

justinh, what about 0.21, did it work in that?

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: us xavtv

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justinh:

I dunno personally

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devinheitmueller:

I believe the analog channel scanner was disabled during the 0.22 dev cycle.

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darkdrgn2k3:

or is it xawtv.. ugh i dont remmeber

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, xawtv would suck, there is no way to record tv in that application

[20:05:57]

darkdrgn2k3:

confirmed xawtv

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: if you need to test it it works great

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Dagmar:

Oof

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Dagmar:

I feel like an ass now

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: 22 still TUNES analog.. just cnat scan it

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: sooo... if u put in the channles manuall :) it will work

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devinheitmueller:

I'm pretty sure it was working in 0.21.

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, is it possible to scan outside mythtv and give myth a channels.conf file or something

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Dagmar:

Two days ago saxa was banging on a package for autogen, which I thought was strange since we don't normally ever need that, and it was because something in the build engine was triggering build failures with a sloppy setup in libsndfile

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, bear in mind we are only talking about analog channel *scanning*. We are not talking about analog channel tuning in general.

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justinh:

.conf files for analogue channels? heh

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: all you havre to do is add the channels.. myth knows that frequenci it is :)

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Dagmar:

I thought he knew to check for a specific thing that makes that happen, so he's been beating on it for two days because I assumed he knew that it wasn't needed

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justinh:

darkdrgn2k3: it can't

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Dagmar:

*facepalm*

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** wagnerrp points at the channel name **

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, how would add a channel manually?

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darkdrgn2k3:

justinh: lol ok sorry its been a while since i scanned..... i been moving my database forward :-P

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** Dagmar looks at the -d option and wonders **

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** wagnerrp gets Dagmar's attention and motions towards the channel name **

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simcop2387:

anyone know a good way to tell a window manager (any window manager, currently using fluxbox, but will switch to anything) that windows shouldn't be allowed to be placed along the borders? essentially what i'm wanting to do is prevent windows from going into the area of the screen that's in the tv's overscan area so that things don't end up off screen (i've got mythfrontend set for that already, just wondered if someone knew a good way to

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simcop2387:

dealwith it in other programs)

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, so i simply need a 0.21 and will be able to scan and tune with it?

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: yep then you can upgrade to .22

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darkdrgn2k3:

simcop2387: i use blackbox :)

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, aha! that is a nice thought. i certainly like to have vdpau running.

[20:10:46]

simcop2387:

darkdrgn2k3: blackbox can do it? k i'll check it out

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trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, so back to the original question, do analogue set top boxes have subscriber cards as well?

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: nop analog usses filters on the line outside your home

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justinh:

darkdrgn2k3: again not necessarily

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darkdrgn2k3:

justinh: sorry

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justinh:

analogue cable can be & often used to be *scrambled*

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: ANYTHING is possible

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trumee:

uh, oh!

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darkdrgn2k3:

justinh: but they dont use access card for that right?

[20:12:50]

justinh:

yeah of course

[20:12:53]

darkdrgn2k3:

hmm

[20:13:06]

darkdrgn2k3:

the scramble is just a shift in like vhold or whatever right?

[20:13:11]

justinh:

depends

[20:13:15]

justinh:

anything is possible

[20:13:22]

darkdrgn2k3:

lol as i said :-P

[20:13:26]

justinh:

it all costs money of course

[20:13:29]

darkdrgn2k3:

i remmber the old scrambled channels :-P that was funny

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simcop2387:

darkdrgn2k3: any advice on what to look at in blackbox for it?

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justinh:

videocrypt was one method they used

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darkdrgn2k3:

simcop2387: blackbox doesnt have much of a ui :)

[20:14:41]

darkdrgn2k3:

justdave: yeh that sound familiar..

[20:14:50]

simcop2387:

i meant in the blackbox docs

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trumee:

justinh, if it is scrambled i cant simply connect it to a pvr-150?

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darkdrgn2k3:

what do yuo wanna find?

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** devinheitmueller is now wondering how a channel scanner would detect scrambled channels (since technically a signal lock is achieved). Maybe there is something in EIA-608? **

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justinh:

trumee: no you cannot

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: ytou can always connected it to a pvr-150. but if its scrambled the pictgure will be all screwed up

[20:15:46]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: just detects a valid video signal

[20:15:57]

** trumee need to call the cable company and find details of the set top box. **

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: think they will tell you

[20:16:14]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: most forms of analogue scrambling (videocrypt etc) still produce a valid video sugnal

[20:16:15]

darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: here in canada they wont say a bloody word

[20:16:17]

justinh:

*signal

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kslater:

anyone have dnla working with a sony tv as the client?

[20:16:39]

darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: just connect the wire to your 150 and see what you get with XAWTV

[20:16:43]

darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: faster then wasting time here

[20:16:59]

justinh:

everybody bugged the project about the UI sucking & now lots of people want to access mythtv stuff on sucky UIs

[20:17:03]

trumee:

ok so for analogue cable there is not eit. is it? everything has to be scrapped off the internet.

[20:17:06]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: yeah, I assumed that the scrambled signal would be considered "valid" by the decoder. I'm just wondering how, for example, a STB know's it's scrambled and to show the "channel is scrambled" message (as opposed to the scrambled channel video)

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: "Scraped"?

[20:17:22]

darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: scrapping is illigal.

[20:17:23]

trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, xmltv :)

[20:17:30]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: signalling in VBI etc

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: xmltv is gone

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kormoc:

trumee: schedulesdirect.org

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darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: use schedule direct :)

[20:17:49]

trumee:

darkdrgn2k3, schedule direct wont work for india.

[20:17:49]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: Yup, that's what I'm asking. Is the presence of scrambling well documented in VBI (e.g. EIA-608?)

[20:17:52]

kormoc:

darkdrgn2k3: it's not gone, it's just not widely used in the us/canada, and it supports SD just fine

[20:17:54]

darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: there are iet like stuff but most of it is propriatery stuff

[20:17:55]

justinh:

can we stop assuming everybody here is in the US/Canada please?

[20:17:56]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3: Erm, XMLtv is a worldwide project/standard having nothing to do with SD

[20:17:59]

darkdrgn2k3:

trumee: (IE Gemstar)

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: i never said it had anythign to do with sd.. did i?

[20:18:20]

justinh:

trumee is interested in India TV EPG data

[20:18:29]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3: You said XMLtv is gone, and that he should use SD, neither of which is true

[20:18:34]

darkdrgn2k3:

ooo

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justinh:

so if he scrapes a site with Indian EPG data it's no skin off SD's nose

[20:18:36]

darkdrgn2k3:

sorry my bad

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darkdrgn2k3:

i was thinking of ZAPIT :-S

[20:18:55]

darkdrgn2k3:

xmltv is the transport LOL

[20:19:01]

darkdrgn2k3:

never mind

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k3: no it's not

[20:19:05]

** darkdrgn2k3 feels he better shut up now **

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trumee:

justinh, this binary blob can fetch india epg in xmltv format.

[20:19:13]

kormoc:

virgin media is in India? Wow

[20:19:33]

justinh:

kormoc: more to users than just their host IP apparently too

[20:19:39]

wagnerrp:

did trac just go down?

[20:20:02]

justinh:

I didn't feel anything

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trumee:

kormoc, india has virgin mobile but not virgin media yet.

[20:20:34]

trumee:

http://mc2xml.110mb.com/

[20:20:40]

justinh:

maybe he's just in the UK right now & is planning ahead

[20:20:41]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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justinh:

trumee: that's well off limits in here

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justinh:

stealing from MS is not condoned here

[20:21:05]

trumee:

justinh, yup thats right.

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kormoc:

or titantv

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trumee:

justinh, oh ok. i did not know it was infringement.

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kormoc:

and using it for SD is silly, there's a official SD xmltv grabber

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justinh:

if you have MCE, that entitles you to use MS EPG data, but only when you use MCE

[20:22:32]

justinh:

they'll catch up with it one day

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justinh:

sooner rather than later I hope :D

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trumee:

justinh, is their a website where MS show their epg. or is it only fetched through mce?

[20:24:14]

justinh:

only done through MCE, and through the efforts of packet sniffing monkeys, mc2xml

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darkdrgn2k3:

justinh: LOL @ monkeys

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darkdrgn2k3:

justinh: i use a room full of chineses kids that i have locked up im my basement that i forced to sit there and memorize numbers...

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trumee:

justinh, i would be happy to pay money to get epg, unfortunately none exist for india :(

[20:26:58]

justinh:

so none exist – that makes it fine to steal? Hmmmmm

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trumee:

justinh, i didnt say that.

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justinh:

you implied it

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darkdrgn2k3:

one could argue that my back yard filled with satalite signales that i did not condone is abbandoned property andi can do with whatever i want :-D

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justinh:

but it'd still be against channel rules to talk about it here

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trumee:

justinh, no not actually. on the contrary i was implying that services that radiotimes and schedules direct are great and india tv doesnt have that service.

[20:28:49]

justinh:

trumee: well, in the beginning there was no xmltv

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justinh:

in the beginning there were some websites which published TV guide data

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darkdrgn2k3:

im living in a country that slowly were loosing the ability to use mythtv :'(

[20:29:20]

darkdrgn2k3:

and thats sad

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trumee:

justinh, that is interesting. so how did radiotimes come into being

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justinh:

which one's that? UK? USA? Canada? France? Everywhere in the world one day?!

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darkdrgn2k3:

im in canada ..

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darkdrgn2k3:

our FIREWIREs are disabled on the boxes...

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justinh:

trumee: users asked radiotimes very very nicely & they provided the data in xmltv format

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justinh:

tbh they were tired of mangling the data to stop people scraping the site

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justinh:

if only digiguide allowed external programs to use the data

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justinh:

their data is excellent

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justinh:

their main concern is about people redistributing the data – which is BS really

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trumee:

justinh, their is a start-up venture which show epg for india, http://whatsonindia.com/WhatsOnTV/HomePage.aspx

[20:35:44]

justinh:

fwiw radiotimes is good but it's not a patch on digiguide's data

[20:36:04]

justinh:

love to know where they get data from. suspect it's the same place SD get theirs

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trumee:

a Digiguide to xml interface seem to exist. http://forums.digiguide.com/topic.asp?id=1213 . . . XMLTV+and+DG

[20:40:37]

trumee:

what is a typical price for a pvr 150, £38 pounds looks cheap http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/38492/haupp . . . ID=242986771

[20:42:10]

justinh:

that's more than I paid for mine 3 years ago

[20:42:14]

trumee:

any idea where can i buy the vanilla pvr-150 with an ir blaster rather than the mce edition. or any suggestion of an ir blaster which works with lirc/myth?

[20:42:23]

justinh:

which I since got rid of for more than that :)

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trumee:

justinh, other website suggest £60 pounds. http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=pv . . . Q#ps-sellers

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trumee:

justinh, £38 isnt in stock. is shelling out £60 pounds for it too much?

[20:44:56]

trumee:

maybe i need to search on ebay for a second hand.

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justinh:

yup 2nd hand is prolly the best bet

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justinh:

and just FYI that digiguide page is for getting xmltv data into digiguide not the other way around

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justinh:

they've previously said on many occasions.. digiguide to mythtv.. over their dead body. See you in court, etc

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trumee:

justinh, none on ebay!. most of them are from USA using NTSC.

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justinh:

god, all that motivation I had.. just sucked out of me. hope I get some good news soon

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RyeBrye:

is there a cheap adapter that will take digital audio (pcm or whatver) and merge it with DVI -> HDMI? It would come in handy on one of my frontends I think

[20:51:43]

RyeBrye:

I found a $300 box that seems ridiculous considering i could just buy a new soundcard and a new video card and merge the two signals in the computer for much less than that if i cared enough

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justinh:

RyeBrye: about $60 people here know of AFAIK

[20:53:16]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'm still too cheap for that. I'll just stick with analog audio + a cheap dvi -> hdmi cable for now

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superm1:

RyeBrye, check the video card for an extra header if it's got an hdmi port in addition to the DVI port. mine's got a header to do exactly that when you use the HDMI port

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wagnerrp:

superm1: often times youll find DVI cards capable of pumping out audio as well

[20:54:04]

RyeBrye:

I'm not sure if I put a card with an HDMI port into that machine or not.

[20:54:18]

wagnerrp:

just using a different plug, rather than redesigning the board to not allow audio passthrough

[20:54:20]

RyeBrye:

this was a frontend thrown together with mostly surplus parts :)

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RyeBrye:

The toughest part is that the box it is running on is an old dell desktop tower, so the motherboard might have some spdif headers on it somewhere, but they dont' have any convenient jumpers on them or anything so I'd have to likely solder something on – or I could take the output from the 3.5mm digial audio jack on the back and run it back in and onto the video card headers (if the card has such headers, I'd have to look at it to figure out what card

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RyeBrye:

in it)

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dserban:

I'm having trouble finding an ir blaster as well, probably gonna go with one of those cheap HP units on ebay

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trumee:

dserban, you mean these one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-HP-MCE-USB-IR-Recei . . . em3355b4b905

[21:09:38]

trumee:

dserban, would they work with lirc/mythtv?

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dserban:

trumee: yes those. I believe they do, using mceusb via lirc.

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dserban:

I have a commandir right now, but I don't like how the guy switched support, pulled a lot of info for the device just because there's a version 2.0. But whatever :P

[21:20:55]

dserban:

I don't plan on spending a lot of money on something that's already been done for cheaper. I'm planning on 5 inputs, maybe 6, so the 4 I have on that device aren't enough.

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trumee:

dserban, that commandir thing looks expensive

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dserban:

it is/was ... I wouldn't recommend it, solely due to price. The support on their site was incredible, it worked excellent. Then their second version came out and it all went down hill.

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iamlindoro:

xris: Ping?

[21:50:06]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Or you, pingish?

[21:51:55]

j-rod:

meh. sort of...

[21:52:16]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: HAve a second to add me to the dev class for the channel?

[21:54:26]

j-rod:

um... I'm irc-dumb. :)

[21:54:32]

j-rod:

I could, if I knew how

[21:54:32]

kb9vqf:

Anyone here have experience with MTD? When I pop in a DVD I get this: http://pastebin.com/d9f6b297 :)

[21:54:45]

kb9vqf:

It worked just find in 0.21, now it is borken in 0.22

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: You know what he's supposed to do?

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j-rod:

I presume kormoc would also have the power to do that himself, if I've got it...

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kormoc:

/msg chanserv access #mythtv-users add iamlindoro DEV

[21:56:21]

kormoc:

I don't actually

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j-rod:

hm. lesse if I do.

[21:56:40]

kormoc:

might as well add sphery too if you can

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j-rod:

nope, I'm not authorized to execute that command

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kormoc:

hrm... I was sure the ops class would be allowed to

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iamlindoro:

boo

[21:57:46]

iamlindoro:

Well, I guess I can hit up stuarta, I know he can

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mangus580_:

wow, I didnt think configuring a vid card would be this much of a headache!

[21:58:23]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: thanks for the effort

[21:58:28]

iamlindoro:

(and sorry for the interruption

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iamlindoro:

)

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j-rod:

heh, np

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devinheitmueller:

j-rod: did you happen to see http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1159 ?

[22:00:54]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: your wish is granted....

[22:02:06]

** j-rod opens link... ngggh. not loading... **

[22:02:17]

devinheitmueller:

really?

[22:02:21]

** iamlindoro now knows that devinheitmueller keeps too much on his desktop **

[22:02:22]

devinheitmueller:

:-/ seems fine here.

[22:02:30]

j-rod:

spinning, spinning, spinning....

[22:02:59]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, after I posted that, that occurred to me and I had to take a hard look and make sure there was nothing there was confidential/proprietary/embarrassing.

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iamlindoro:

I'm eating up all the bits

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devinheitmueller:

j-rod: weird.

[22:03:32]

iamlindoro:

naw, all the filthy stuff is under the TV window

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devinheitmueller:

Well, I didn't want people to know that I watch PBS...

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devinheitmueller:

It was really a shame – the first version of the screen shot had a register map for a particular proprietary chipset as my desktop background...

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j-rod:

now it came up. hrm.

[22:07:37]

j-rod:

gremlins

[22:08:01]

devinheitmueller:

yeah, that is strange. I have been whacking the refresh button on the wordpress dashboard all day, and never saw any sort of problem.

[22:08:12]

laga_:

wfm

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j-rod:

transient connection flakiness (which could just be the link here) aside, rock

[22:09:54]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: I've sucked in all the patches from the Fedora CVS which were worthwhile – there are a couple of half-baked ALSA mixer patches and a patch which changes the default font (but doesn't work on Ubuntu), which I haven't done yet.

[22:10:34]

devinheitmueller:

I'll probably do the same for the launchpad repo, although I believe most of their patches are just locale updates.

[22:10:48]

dserban:

iamlindoro: quick question, you mentioned that you'd like to see a scraper for mobygames some day to integrate into mythgames. Do you know if anyone has had any contact with the guys at moby regarding such a beast .. ie. the legality of it etc.?

[22:11:08]

iamlindoro:

Doubt it

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dserban:

ok, think there's a better place to ask? I'll probably try to see if it's at all possible with moby, there's not much info in their license regarding reproduction or use.

[22:12:58]

iamlindoro:

that is to say, I don't think anyone's been in touch-- last time I looked, nothing in their ToS prohibited it

[22:13:14]

j-rod:

devinheitmueller: so you planning to ping distro maintainers when its ready for them to consume, or shall I file a bug for the Fedora maintainer?

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** j-rod brb... **

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iamlindoro:

dserban: Can't think of a better place to ask than contacting them directly

[22:13:32]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: My intent was to hold off until I had done the ALSA audio support first.

[22:13:54]

dserban:

Yeah, otherwise I wonder why themoviedb and thetvdb came to be... wonder if a thegamesdb needs to exist :s

[22:14:02]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: but yeah, I was planning on spinning a tarball and making it known to the distros. In the case of Fedora/RHEL, I planned to contact *you*.

[22:14:03]

Saviq:

hi again, guys, is mouse cursor staying on top of the menus / player a known issue? what's weird, it's a 'copy' of the mouse cursor, I can't move it around and it disappears when I switch desktops back and forth

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dserban:

iamlindoro: right.

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devinheitmueller:

Frankly, I only really care about Red Hat and Ubuntu. The rest of the distros are welcome to the code of course (and I will accept patches), but I don't plan on going out of my way to let the Gentoo maintainers know there is a new upstream source.

[22:15:23]

** devinheitmueller apologizes to any Gentoo fanatics. **

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: I have a tuner that gets screwed by tvtime, mute is reversed with it. You mute the sound and voila, you have audio, vice-versa. I talked to Vortex a couple of years back, but he's mia now. (tvtime dev)

[22:15:35]

devinheitmueller:

/s/fanatics/users/

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: mind pinging me if you need a tester at some point?

[22:15:52]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: which tuner product?

[22:16:06]

dserban:

devinheitmueller: I'm not at home, it's bttv

[22:16:09]

dserban:

driven

[22:16:18]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: I would suggest keeping an eye on the KernelLabs blog. In reality, I cannot really spend the time to tell every user who is interested when there is new stuff to try out.

[22:16:30]

dserban:

for sure, understood

[22:16:59]

devinheitmueller:

But yeah, send me some email, including the card product name and PCI ID you are using, and I can take a look.

[22:17:25]

devinheitmueller:

It might actually be an issue where the driver has it backwards, and not a tvtime issue at all.

[22:17:37]

dserban:

devinheitmueller: do you plan on forking/renaming, or do you just want to give it a refresh?

[22:17:40]

j-rod:

devinheitmueller: heh, pinging me works

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: it wasn't a driver issue, and the fun cockin' about in /dev, /proc and /sys proved it was fine if I remember correctly.

[22:18:38]

devinheitmueller:

j-rod: I'm hesitant to call it a fork. The plan was that it would still be called tvtime, but I was going to relabel the title bar as "KernelLabs tvtime".

[22:19:20]

devinheitmueller:

I guess in reality it is a fork, but not because of any sort of disagreement with the trunk so much as just the fact that the trunk is completely unmaintained.

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devinheitmueller:

I would have been perfectly if Vektor had just been willing to accept my patches (or even reply to my emails)

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j-rod:

well... if upstream isn't being maintained anymore, I'd say its not a fork, just a continuation

[22:20:06]

j-rod:

or soemthing :)

[22:20:15]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[22:20:33]

j-rod:

whatever its called, its good stuff

[22:20:34]

dserban:

Ah, that's his name :P

[22:20:37]

j-rod:

gotta run...

[22:20:40]

devinheitmueller:

It hasn't seen a release in four years on its own, so in my mind I had considered it "taking over maintianership"

[22:20:41]

devinheitmueller:

ttyl.

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devinheitmueller:

dserban: yeah, send me some mail and I will see what I can do.

[22:22:27]

dserban:

No biggie really, just minor things, I can code too, but I'm fully unfamiliar with the API. It's not killer important, so I won't bother you with it.

[22:22:35]

dserban:

right now anyway

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dserban:

:P

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devinheitmueller:

dserban: well, I will be testing it with a bunch of other cards, so if I run into it myself, I will take care of it.

[22:23:07]

devinheitmueller:

bttv is a pretty old chipset anyway. I don't think any new cards are built with it.

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: you're right, though there's a lot of stuff floating around and I'm resisting HD like the plague, I don't need another excuse to sink thousands of dollars into something new.

[22:24:04]

dserban:

heh

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linxeh:

hi there – is it possible to disable the TV part of mythtv and just use it as a media centre ?

[22:24:56]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I hear you. There won't be any HD support coming for tvtime. This is all about just having a simple app to watch analog tv with for those who don't need all the features of mythtv.

[22:25:14]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: ... that works with modern capture cards...

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dserban:

yep agreed. You don't happen to want to throw in capture capability do you? :P

[22:25:58]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: do you mean recording?

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mangus580_:

argh... now I got the s-video output working on the new video card... and mythtv wont play recordings!

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** dserban says it like it's a small feat **

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: yeah, but nah, I know how to deal with incoming video via the cli. It'd be good if there was a gui based program that could easily toss the buffer to a file...

[22:27:14]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: there are no plans for recording video/audio at this point. It would be a ton of work.

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devinheitmueller:

... especially since today tvtime has no support for MPEG at all...

[22:27:51]

dserban:

mangus580_: thing is, you need to do some legwork. Find out what your logs say etc... then ask here or better yet, google might find something that may answer your question.

[22:28:07]

dserban:

devinheitmueller: I know, it's not important, but it is missing on the *nix desktop

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mangus580_:

dserban: I am just venting at the moment... not asking for help yet :-)

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devinheitmueller:

Agreed, it would be nice to have. If I were going to build something like that though, I would probably rather use the MythTV codebase as a starting point, and rip out everything not needed.

[22:28:47]

dserban:

mangus580: ahh, tell us about your wife, is she good to you? =D

[22:28:56]

mangus580:

mostly :-)

[22:29:13]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: ... because as soon as you get recording, you will then want "scheduled recording", and then we're back to MythTV.

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: yep it's where I'd start too

[22:29:35]

dserban:

hah, yep

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linxeh:

is there anywhere I can look for disabling the TV menu options and leave me with just the media ones ?

[22:30:15]

dserban:

I've had my vcr and a stack of tapes sitting in the corner of the office with the "I'll figure out how to add a zero channel to mythtv for digitizing those old tapes someday" sticker on it

[22:30:15]

devinheitmueller:

dserban: at this point, I think there is a huge population who would just like a simple app for watching TV that actually works well with today's capture cards (without having to build an HTPC)

[22:30:38]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I hear you.

[22:31:17]

devinheitmueller:

I actually started to build an application in 2005 to digitize VHS tapes under Linux, but never got it off the ground.

[22:31:26]

mzb:

there are, but you're in the wrong place to talk about little applications like that ;)

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** devinheitmueller acknowledges that he has strayed off topic for this channel, and apologizes... **

[22:32:24]

mzb:

and I assume by "capture card" you mean a frame grabber as opposed to a digital tuner

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sid3windr:

there are steps in between ;)

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sid3windr:

or at least one

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mzb:

heh

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dserban:

devinheitmueller: Rough, well alternately I could just sit there and use the cli, but without output, I can't hit the "record now" button .. either way, they're just silly family videos ... who needs to watch them on the big screen? :)

[22:33:02]

mzb:

I was going to say!

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sid3windr:

:)

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dserban:

Oh, yep sorry guys. back to myth :P

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mzb:

if the former then xawtv, if the latter then mplayer ... simple "desktop" apps that will work with the respective cards

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mzb:

like child's toys compared to mythtv ;)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, just got my $49 iPhone 3GS :) Guess I'll have to make Myth do things with it...

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mzb:

and *then* there's the command-line stuff ... which are good for testing (for mythtv;) ... but I digress

[22:36:55]

mzb:

hmm $49

[22:37:53]

mzb:

ah, contract

[22:38:06]

mzb:

(and refurbished?)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, refurb (but looks good as new) and an extension of my current contract (which is fine)

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mzb:

nice

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mzb:

I had a play with one of the early ones (a couple of years(?) ago) [had to prep it for .au]

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mzb:

*loved* being able to do Unix stuff on something so small

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clever:

iamlindoro: try running myth right on it:P

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mzb:

heh

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clever:

ive kinda done that with my treo phone, fullscreen VNC session directly to myth:P

[22:44:16]

clever:

no audio and horid framerate, and without an escape key the menu's where imposible to use

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Wicked:

i was watching livetv the other night and it did the bug where u can rewind at all...it just continues to play forward. I grabbed this output from the front end ...not sure it is usefull...but here it is http://pastebin.com/mefb4612

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Wicked:

err..the bug where you can NOT rewind

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kb9vqf:

Anyone here have experience with MTD? When I pop in a DVD I get this: http://pastebin.com/d9f6b297 :)

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kb9vqf:

It worked just find in 0.21, now it is borken in 0.22

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mangus580:

woohoo... made it work again

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