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Sunday, November 29th, 2009, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Led-Hed: 1080i & 5.1 sound
[00:00:36] mchou: well, then complain to SD
[00:00:48] mchou: if they arent at SD that means you wont get listings
[00:01:07] mchou: so even adding them manually would be a futile exercise
[00:01:09] Led-Hed: I was just hoping someone in here had a similar issue and could provide some info.
[00:02:10] Led-Hed: mchou, the listing is there, only its for a mapped channel instead of the subchannel
[00:02:38] mchou: lol
[00:02:53] mchou: Led-Hed: man, I asked you to be CLEAR
[00:03:05] Led-Hed: I thought I was.  :)
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[00:03:40] Led-Hed: Cable Co calls it 761, but my HDTV picks it up on 74–1.
[00:03:50] mchou: Led-Hed: so what?
[00:03:54] Led-Hed: SD has the proper listing for the shows on 761
[00:04:02] Led-Hed: which is 74–1
[00:04:21] mchou: lol
[00:04:21] Led-Hed: only I dont know how to get the backend to tune to 74–1 instead of 761
[00:04:30] mchou: wtf???
[00:04:48] mchou: 761 is CBS (let's say)
[00:04:52] Led-Hed: ok
[00:04:55] mchou: so would 74–1
[00:05:00] Led-Hed: correct
[00:05:14] mchou: so wtf is the problem exactly?
[00:05:28] mchou: backend tunes to 761....
[00:05:37] mchou: you get CBS programming
[00:05:39] Led-Hed: I need the backend to tell my HDHR to tune to 74–1
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[00:06:42] Led-Hed: my problem is how to I get the HDHR to tune to 74–1 when I select channel 761 to record.
[00:07:11] Led-Hed: my thought was to renumber 761 to 74–1 in the channel ediror.
[00:07:45] mchou: so? what happened when you tried it?
[00:08:07] Led-Hed: mchou, I dont have the HDHR yet
[00:08:12] Led-Hed: no way to test
[00:08:13] mchou: fuck
[00:08:40] mchou: dont bother us about hypothetical problems that you dont have
[00:08:54] Led-Hed: I was using Firewire STB's, and they would tune to 761.
[00:09:07] Led-Hed: but the HDHR wont know what 761 is
[00:09:21] mchou: myth takes care of all this
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[00:10:08] ** Led-Hed takes mchou word on this. **
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[00:10:16] Led-Hed: Will let you know if it works out.
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[01:07:11] anenigma: with 0.21, i used mplayer with -loop 0 -playlist %s to play "playlists". now that i've moved to 0.22, i've also moved to storage groups. as such, the playlist files are called "myth://Videos@host:port/path/file.pls", and mplayer cannot open them of course. is there a reasonable way to work this out, without disabling storage groups?
[01:07:51] anenigma: I also get the error "Error while opening playlist file myth://Videos@192.168.0.25:6543/Playlists/music.pls: File exists" when trying to play a playlist. does this indicate that some "playlist" support is being added to mythvideo?
[01:10:45] Dibblah: Use Internal instead of mplayer.
[01:11:32] Dibblah: AFAIK, there is some support. But I don't remember the details.
[01:12:05] anenigma: i tried grepping for 'opening playlist' in my svn tree, couldn't find anything
[01:12:43] AndrewNC: if I wanted to prevent the frontend from starting until the backend was ready, would there be another way besides checking to see if the connection port is open?
[01:13:16] wagnerrp: use mythwelcome
[01:13:56] anenigma: hmm. seems internal just tries to play it as a regular video file
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[01:16:27] Dagmar: I figured you'd come to a sane conclusion eventually
[01:32:44] sphery: AndrewNC: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370119#370119 too
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[01:44:36] wagnerrp: ravenstorm doesnt seem to understand the meaning of 'minor update'
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[01:51:06] Dagmar: That's because his readers won't buy his comics if he messes around with anything smaller than heroic updates
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[03:06:08] eddie128: Hi, Does anyone know how I can stop mythbackend from loging in a gnome user session under ubunut karmic
[03:07:29] chong: eddie128, i'm not sure i understand your question but i'd start with checking out System -> Administration -> Login Screen
[03:07:33] jblack: uninstall gdm
[03:08:18] chong: ^^ don't do that
[03:08:49] eddie128: chong Thanks. The problem is that gnome will not shutdown without requring a password because it thinks there is someone else logged on. That someone else is mythbackend. This is the only app on ubuntu that is using another session.
[03:09:07] chong: that may have unintended consequences come do-release-upgrade time
[03:10:50] chong: that's odd that mythbackend would be running inside of its own X session though
[03:12:15] eddie128: chong I know. I am trying to understand why mythbackend wants to run it's own session or what part of the configuration might effect this.
[03:12:48] chong: yea that's a good question
[03:12:52] chong: on my box its just a daemon
[03:13:49] mzb: try making the uid for the user running mythbackend < 500
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[03:14:27] eddie128: mzb UID is 114 (sorry for the slab of text but here is the session details)
[03:14:30] eddie128: root@eddie-home:~# ck-list-sessions
[03:14:30] eddie128: Session1:
[03:14:30] eddie128: unix-user = '114'
[03:14:30] eddie128: realname = '(null)'
[03:14:30] eddie128: seat = 'Seat1'
[03:14:31] eddie128: session-type = ''
[03:14:33] eddie128: active = FALSE
[03:14:35] eddie128: x11-display = ''
[03:14:37] eddie128: x11-display-device = ''
[03:14:39] eddie128: display-device = '/dev/???'
[03:14:41] eddie128: remote-host-name = ''
[03:14:43] eddie128: is-local = TRUE
[03:14:44] mzb: pastebin
[03:14:45] eddie128: on-since = '2009-11–28T23:26:35.391119Z'
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[03:14:45] mzb: pastebin
[03:14:46] mzb: pastebin
[03:14:47] eddie128: login-session-id = '4294967295'
[03:14:47] mzb: pastebin
[03:14:48] mzb: pastebin
[03:14:49] mzb: pastebin
[03:16:46] Dagmar: Ooh! Free root shell! w00t!
[03:17:31] Dagmar: ...and mythbackend has exactly zero need for an X session of any kind.
[03:18:08] chong: Dagmar, nobody is disagreeing there
[03:18:24] Dagmar: Yet no one's following that to it's logical conclusion
[03:18:34] Dagmar: That conclusion being that mythbackend is being started the wrong way.
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[03:18:50] chong: heh true
[03:19:11] eddie128: Dagmar I will go hunt through the startup files in that case. It was installed using mythbuntu control panel..... THanks.
[03:19:16] Dagmar: It should be getting started by init like every other service.
[03:19:31] Dagmar: Someone trying to set it up to run when a user logs in had brought that upon themselves.
[03:19:42] chong: well init doesn't exist in ubuntu
[03:19:47] chong: upstart would be starting it
[03:19:49] Dagmar: Wrong.
[03:19:51] chong: but semantics
[03:21:43] chong: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ <-- ubuntu has used upstart since 2006 (note that upstart supports SysV init scripts)
[03:22:44] chong: so, while its still /sbin/init it's not init in the classical unix sense ;)
[03:23:03] Dagmar: Yes, it is an init in the "classical" unix sense.
[03:23:03] mzb: # rm -r /etc/init.d/
[03:23:08] Dagmar: It starts all processes
[03:23:14] chong: no its not
[03:23:15] mzb: hmm ... gee, nothings starting any more ;P
[03:23:24] Dagmar: Yes, it is.
[03:23:28] chong: classical init is NOT parallel
[03:23:30] chong: upstart is
[03:23:31] Dagmar: Dude, you're arguing with someone who's been using Unix since the 80's.
[03:23:40] Dagmar: It's an init.
[03:23:54] Dagmar: Making it run subtasks in parallel doesn't change that.
[03:23:57] mzb: /sbin/init has nothing to do with the init scripts afaik
[03:25:26] ** mzb wonders if he knows/cares what he's talking about and goes back to his rain tipper ;) **
[03:26:20] mzb: init vs initscripts ... but anyway
[03:27:29] eddie128: OK, So any idea why the mythbuntu control panel would set up mythbackend to start in an X session or how to stop this behaviour????
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[03:28:09] chong: eddie128, that doesnt make any sense to me at all
[03:28:40] chong: my setup is mythbuntu 9.10 and it doesn't behave like that
[03:28:47] chong: though mine was upgraded and not a fresh install
[03:31:15] eddie128: I think I am going to resintall
[03:32:55] mzb: *sigh* ... and now it stops raining
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[03:38:52] ** mzb suspects Dagmar has fond memories of PDP-11's ;) **
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[03:39:48] Dagmar: nJust reboot the thing. You likely started mythbackend manually and forgot about it
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[03:39:58] jblack: Ok, so I'm still working on that jaunty->karmic migration, and it's definitely not nfs.
[03:40:13] Dagmar: Otherwise, it's just mythbuntu. Backup the db, and just blow away the OS and resinstall
[03:40:33] Dagmar: It's _supposed_ to have been designed to "just work"
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[03:42:16] d0netsFN: hey could someone hold my hand whild backing up my mythtv database?
[03:42:27] d0netsFN: i found a couple tutorials showing various commands and scripts
[03:42:31] chong: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backup_your_database
[03:42:35] jblack: mysqldump --all-databases > dbbackup ?
[03:43:13] eddie128: OK, so a complete uninstall and reinstall and mythbackend has started up an X session again. Before I go an figure out a way to shutdown gnome without having to authenticate for multiple users, is there any other advise anyone could offer on stopping this behaviour please?
[03:43:15] d0netsFN: chong ok i made a script with that first command in it
[03:43:34] d0netsFN: is the myth_user my ubuntu user or the mythtv user that is int he mythtv settings
[03:44:48] Dagmar: I fail to see how this could have escaped notice of the people who maintain mythbuntu
[03:44:54] chong: d0netsFN, your user that runs mythtv would have all that stuff in ~/.mythtv/config.xml
[03:45:02] Dagmar: Unless, of course, you are somehow hybridizing things
[03:45:29] d0netsFN: ok
[03:45:41] chong: not terribly sure that it's a mythbuntu thing cuz everything works great for me and i have a pretty stock install
[03:45:57] d0netsFN: ok and the password
[03:46:00] d0netsFN: would that go in the script
[03:46:03] chong: minus all the ldap and krb5 to make the box fit in my network
[03:46:11] d0netsFN: or is it saying that it will show a pass prompt and you will type your password in
[03:46:41] chong: d0netsFN, iirc you can also just paste your password in on the command line after the -P or -p or whatever the flag is
[03:46:45] chong: if you don't care about security
[03:46:55] eddie128: It's a stock standard 64 bit image of ubuntu Karmic with only a few other basic packages added I installed about 2 weeks ago. I admit, I did install mythebackend from synaptic package manager first, then I uninstalled it and used the mythbuntu control panel to install the backend.
[03:47:18] Dagmar: Okay, so don't expect it to work properly then
[03:47:22] mzb: eddie128, I think the suggestion was a complete reinstall (of the system?) .... rather than just reinstalling the backend
[03:47:29] Dagmar: You broke it. Now you get to keep all the sharp little pieces.
[03:47:34] mzb: your config files etc are still going to be there
[03:47:46] mzb: (unless you apt-get purge)
[03:47:48] chong: eddie128, i'd suggest doing apt-get --purge remove <mythbackend package>
[03:47:53] chong: that will rid you of the config files
[03:48:06] d0netsFN: ok chong
[03:48:29] d0netsFN: how can i test to make sure it works
[03:48:42] chong: d0netsFN, run it and then cat the resultant file
[03:48:47] chong: if you see a lot of sql shit in there
[03:48:51] chong: it probably worked ;)
[03:49:11] mzb: mysql -pPASSWORD mthconverg -e "SELECT * FROM channel;"
[03:49:21] mzb: mysql -pPASSWORD mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM channel;"
[03:49:47] sphery: d0netsFN: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[03:49:50] mzb: you *might* need to specify host and username depending on your setup
[03:49:58] sphery: it gets all passwords, etc, for you automatically
[03:50:05] sphery: only does myth database backup, though
[03:50:26] d0netsFN: ok it dumped a file
[03:50:35] d0netsFN: and it took forever to open
[03:50:39] d0netsFN: and its a bunch of sql shit
[03:50:45] d0netsFN: is it safe to pastebin to show you ?
[03:50:46] chong: haha that's probably a good sign
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[03:51:41] eddie128: Well, It seems an install of mythbackend package on a fresh install of ubuntu karmic creates this issue. I'm happy to reproduce it. Would it qualify as a bug and if so where would I report it?
[03:52:00] mzb: to mythbuntu
[03:52:08] chong: ^^^
[03:52:08] mzb: not a mythtv issue
[03:52:35] mzb: (which is probably why you're not getting a great deal of assistance here)
[03:52:40] Dagmar: ...and they'd be pretty amused to hear a bug report for when someone takes a package and installs it on an entirely different distribution.
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[03:53:27] eddie128: It was an issue even before I touched mythbuntu. It was a the mythbackend package installed on stock standard Ubuntu.
[03:53:44] mzb: purge *mythtv*
[03:53:49] mzb: install from src
[03:54:04] mzb: ie: make your life "easy" (by comparison) ;)
[03:54:19] eddie128: Seems like a good option.
[03:54:29] mzb: only way to go
[03:54:45] mzb: and if you *really* like mythtv I've got some more gems for you:
[03:54:55] mzb: 1) dedicated machine for the backend
[03:55:18] mzb: 2) use a distro you like [or DEBIAN if you got any sense!:)))]
[03:55:19] jblack: this is hilarious. I can't run mysqld because mysql_upgrade hasn't run. But I can't run mysql_upgrade, becuase mysqld isn't running.
[03:56:01] sphery: jblack: don't do a binary mysql data file upgrade
[03:56:08] mzb: 3) use a decent backend with lots of storage (think in terms of years rather than months)
[03:56:09] Dagmar: It would all just work if mythbuntu were actually installed, instead of just bits and pieces of it
[03:56:12] eddie128: Thanks. I thought I might take it one small step at a time but I just may go straight into a dedicated back end.
[03:56:18] mzb: 4) use good frontends
[03:56:35] jblack: sphery: I didn't mean to do anything. o
[03:56:57] sphery: jblack: might be some package thing
[03:56:58] jblack: I'm trying to fit hat problem from yesterday, by upgrading mysql 5.0 to 5.1, via aptitude.
[03:57:02] mzb: stuffing around with half-baked experiments is probably only worth it if you know what you're doing
[03:57:05] jblack: it looks to be.
[03:57:20] sphery: but you did make a SQL-based backup of the myth database before upgrading mysql server, right?
[03:57:31] jblack: I did a mysqldump, yeah. :)
[03:57:34] sphery: cool
[03:57:47] mzb: in lieu of experience, start with the equipment what you aim to use
[03:57:48] jblack: so probably drag mysqld off the system, reinstall, and reload
[03:58:03] mzb: s/what/that
[03:58:21] tmkt: anything in the wiki about using kbd_i2c as your remote control driver? switched to that for my hvr-1600 due to issues in the latest kernel and i2c.. so now half my buttons don't work
[03:58:26] sphery: the mysql_upgrade script takes care of a bunch of data-incompatibility issues, but the restore from SQL is a much easier approach
[03:58:35] ** mzb assumes that most people have more money that time **
[03:58:43] d0netsFN: yea wow, copying and pasting this file into pastebin is lagging the shit outta my pc
[03:58:47] d0netsFN: good thing im building a new one
[03:59:07] mzb: lucky you didn't try pasting it here ;)
[03:59:17] d0netsFN: lol
[03:59:17] mzb: what are you trying to achieve?
[03:59:28] d0netsFN: backup and restore my mythtv db
[03:59:39] mzb: and why paste a dump?
[03:59:42] d0netsFN: because ill be building a new rig soon and formatting and installing 9.10
[03:59:48] d0netsFN: to make sure i did it right
[04:00:07] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore does it right :)
[04:00:10] mzb: errr .... I can't think of a single person that would ... ah forget it
[04:01:18] ** mzb has gone to a great deal of effort to maintain/restore/fiddle/etc his database over the last 2 years ... painful at times **
[04:03:23] chong: is there an option to get mythtranscode to spit out a .mpg or something other than a .nuv file?
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[04:03:34] wagnerrp: run it lossless
[04:03:51] wagnerrp: so you just clip out commercials of an existing mpeg, without transcoding
[04:04:02] chong: sounds good
[04:04:05] chong: thanks
[04:04:08] sphery: or use some other program--nuvexport, ffmpeg, transcode, mplayer, ...
[04:04:28] sphery: or--and this is my favorite--don't transcode (getting a new HDD if necessary)
[04:04:38] chong: well mythtranscode is the only thing that i know of that will honor the cutlist
[04:04:54] chong: sphery, goal is to export a few seasons off my box and ship it to my sister in the mideast
[04:04:54] jblack: Ahh, I found the problem that was there. I had a skip-bdb option in my.cnf. Of course, I didn't figure it out until after the fact....
[04:05:08] sphery: I think nuvexport does
[04:05:20] sphery: but we don't want to hear about your sharing of copyrighted material in here
[04:05:36] chong: right ;)
[04:06:51] Dagmar: pfft. if he recorded it himself and deleted them after exporting he'd be the closest-to-fair-use case we've ever seen in this channel
[04:07:14] mchou: this is just ridculous
[04:07:17] chong: ahh christ this isn't what i wanted to start
[04:07:21] mchou: a mix tape is LEGAL
[04:07:27] Dagmar: Doon discuss piracy heer, but there's definitely no need to feel bad about
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[04:07:47] Dagmar: bleh should've ended 'aboot it'
[04:08:03] mchou: some folks just need to refrain from the nanny nagging
[04:08:21] sphery: Yeah, with all the lawyers who are here (as evidenced by their learned statements on what constitutes piracy), it's not the place to discuss copyright infringement
[04:08:31] mchou: omg
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[04:09:04] Dagmar: Meh. I'd say it's not the place because so many people refuse to be rational about it
[04:09:16] wagnerrp: mixtapes are absolutely illegal
[04:09:16] sphery: feel free to complain about my being a media nazi in some other channel, but there are rules in this one
[04:09:18] Dagmar: ...like Mr. "but I live in Poland" from yesterday
[04:09:28] wagnerrp: its an unauthorized redistribution
[04:09:39] wagnerrp: however its of such low volume, its of no use going after
[04:09:52] wagnerrp: and most people in the industry understand that it actually HELPs sell more content
[04:10:45] Dagmar: yep
[04:10:45] jblack: Ok, so having a current mysqld doesn't solve the problem.
[04:10:46] mchou: wagnerrp: mixtapes given to loved ones are absolutely legal
[04:10:55] mchou: look it up
[04:10:55] jblack: Disabling nfs doesn't solve the problem.
[04:11:03] jblack: It must be gamma rays
[04:11:05] Dagmar: mchou: [Citation needed.]
[04:11:22] sphery: Dagmar: now you sound like wikipedia :)
[04:11:35] mchou: copyright act of 1976
[04:11:41] ** chong waves to the mpaa lawyers **
[04:11:43] Dagmar: it's the thing that keeps them from being bogged down in troll argumentation
[04:11:43] sphery: jblack: perhaps when we approach our next solar minimum it will be faster...
[04:12:10] Dagmar: The citation fails to support the argument made, the statement of fact is rejected.
[04:12:14] jblack: I wish I could tell whether it's the backend or the frontend that's being sluggish. My hunch is the backend, but that's only a hunch
[04:12:17] sphery: I love the "it's in there somewhere" argument
[04:12:40] sphery: I think that's called the Ragu logical fallicy
[04:12:45] mchou: sphery: since you're no lawyer, what makes you feel qualified to be nanny on this channel?
[04:13:00] Dagmar: the plus o
[04:13:02] jblack: I don't remember the "done for love" clause in the copyright act. I've love to see that.
[04:13:03] mchou: the channel rule is no P2P
[04:13:28] mchou: not stuff that's legit
[04:13:30] wagnerrp: no, the channel rule is no unauthorized redistribution of content
[04:13:41] wagnerrp: of which P2P is one type
[04:13:47] sphery: mchou: I'm only asking that people refrain from discussing "Discussion of any topics that may be considered illegal or questionably legal in any of the areas that MythTV developers and/or users reside" ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F )
[04:13:53] mchou: there is no gag rule on legit stuff
[04:14:09] jblack: mchou causes problems in #asterisk too. :)
[04:14:25] sphery: mchou: obviously--based on the number of differing opinions among like-minded people in this channel--this would at least qualify under "questionably legal"
[04:14:34] Dagmar: 'except that wasn't covered by fair use.
[04:14:41] Dagmar: It was _close_ but wasn't it.
[04:14:57] Dagmar: Make a mixtape for yourself, fine.
[04:15:05] Dagmar: Make a mixtape for someone else, it's a violation of copyright.
[04:15:16] Dagmar: The labels have never pursued busting anyone for it tho'.
[04:15:23] Dagmar: This doesn't mean it's legal.
[04:15:32] jblack: fair use isn't a codified law.. it's an affirmative defense.
[04:15:36] sphery: buy a stack of CD's for someone else, make a mixtape and give it to them with the stack of CD's... maybe that's OK?
[04:15:55] sphery: (where all songs on the mix tape are on the CD's :)
[04:15:59] Dagmar: sphery: Being that the licences would transfer with the physical CDs? Sure
[04:17:28] jblack: it takes 5 seconds to scroll down one item in the 20/20 group.
[04:17:36] mchou: sphery: just because you (non-laywers) are confused down't make it illegal
[04:17:43] mchou: doesn't*
[04:17:46] jblack: Well, it did.
[04:17:51] sphery: jblack: that's a good point--and it's one that can be used by the guy whose putting up $30K plus in legal fees to defned himself
[04:18:12] Dagmar: No, it's illegal because it's the fucking law.
[04:18:15] Dagmar: Get the hing.
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[04:18:22] Dagmar: s/hing/hint/;
[04:18:22] sphery: so, unless anyone in here is putting up a legal defense fund for anyone else to whom they offer legal advice...
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[04:18:58] chong: how about someone advise me on their experiences with adding handbrake as a userjob ;)
[04:19:16] Dagmar: Why would you both
[04:19:17] Dagmar: er
[04:19:37] Dagmar: Handbrake is for people who can't figure out how to use transcode/ffmpeg directly.
[04:19:51] sphery: and for people who ride 10-speed bikes
[04:19:56] wagnerrp: can you run handbrake sans gui?
[04:20:02] chong: wagnerrp, yes
[04:20:09] Dagmar: Being that it will TELL you what it did to invoke transcode/ffmpeg you're going the long way around
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[04:21:38] chong: i want to use handbrake because the fine folks that make it put a lot of time and effort into creating profiles that support a number of portable devices
[04:22:07] Dagmar: So absolutely use their program to generate yourself a nice command-line template
[04:22:18] Dagmar: ...otherwise if you can't figure out handbrake. *snicker*
[04:23:29] chong: handbrake itself is pretty simple, it's getting an input file sans-commercials with as few steps as possible is the annoying bit
[04:23:50] Dagmar: That's actually trivial
[04:24:37] chong: it can handle the nuv's that mythtranscode dumps out
[04:24:47] chong: but it thinks an hour long show is 30 some odd hours
[04:24:56] Dagmar: *sigh*
[04:27:18] chong: so obviously there's a breakdown somewhere
[04:28:04] mchou: Dagmar: "§ 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
[04:28:04] mchou: No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings."
[04:28:15] mchou: Dagmar: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap10.html#1008
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[04:28:36] Dagmar: Oh look, more wasted effort!
[04:28:43] Dagmar: Back into the ignore list, mchou
[04:28:57] jblack: He thinks a copier and a copy are the same thing?
[04:29:01] mchou: that's just rich
[04:29:02] Dagmar: It's a shame you still can't read
[04:29:10] jblack: or copier paper and a copy are the same thing?
[04:29:36] jblack: does mythfrontend have a place where it indicates the resolution?
[04:29:45] mchou: jblack: no, read up on compulsory royalties
[04:29:46] jblack: current resolution, that is?
[04:30:31] jblack: I think I'll skip. THanks anyways.
[04:30:53] jblack: I'd like to know what resolution the frontend is running at. Is there a place to check that?
[04:31:25] jblack: found it.
[04:31:36] jblack: The appearance wizard indicates resolution
[04:32:08] Dagmar: jblack: Doesn't matter. The section he cites fails because 1) it doesn't have anything to do with the transfer of the work to another party, 2) it is merely a prohibition of action against the person, not absolution for it, and 3) all it addresses is someone making a recording.
[04:32:31] Dagmar: Remember a few minutes ago when I mentioned the lack of rational argumentation?
[04:32:32] Dagmar: Yeah
[04:32:37] jblack: Dagmar: I read it as addressing equipment and material, not acts.
[04:32:43] d0netsFN: ok i think i made a backup of my mythtv database
[04:32:46] Dagmar: That as well
[04:32:54] d0netsFN: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[04:33:01] d0netsFN: i did that to make it
[04:33:04] jblack: i.e. "anyone can sell a tape recorder and blank tapes". ANyways. I already know he's a twit. I'm not spending time on his arguments. ;)
[04:33:06] Dagmar: Oh look you have a URL
[04:33:16] Dagmar: I hear there's lots more of those on the interwebs nowadays
[04:33:19] d0netsFN: now to restore it i just chmod +x the restore script
[04:33:21] d0netsFN: and run it
[04:33:45] d0netsFN: http://pastebin.com/m63e5ed1e
[04:33:47] d0netsFN: i get that
[04:35:00] mchou: jblack: "§ 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions"...."based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings." which part of that didn't you nderstand as involving ACTS?
[04:35:00] Dagmar: I predict you shall read that page again and the reason will become obvious.
[04:35:18] jblack: mchou: More clearly... plonk
[04:35:31] jblack: God. he's worse that asuffield was.
[04:36:22] mchou: Dagmar: considering you didn't even understand what compulsory royalties are, you have zero leg to stand on
[04:36:50] jblack: Oh man, the problems' worse than I thought. if I watch a show for more than a few minutes, I never get back to the shows list.
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[04:39:34] Dagmar: jblack: ...and I bet you thought that "MUST SEE TV" campaign was just a gimmick, right?
[04:40:20] jblack: I suppose I can see the _one_ thing I must. And then restart the front end for the next thing I must see... :)
[04:40:28] Dagmar: OOooh
[04:40:36] sphery: d0netsFN: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore – "If you're attempting to replace an existing database with a known-good backup by using a full restore, you will need to drop the existing database first."
[04:40:51] sphery: d0netsFN: i.e. read the introduction to the Restore section
[04:41:07] jblack: if I pop into a show, and quickly pocp back out, I get back to the shows list. if I watch more than a few minutes, then if I hit back to get out of a recorded show, I get stuck on a blank screen.
[04:41:29] jblack: cool! I can watch live tv!
[04:41:42] mzb: *cackle*
[04:41:47] mzb: -v all, or maybe -v playback ??
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[04:42:08] Dagmar: I'd go for 'most' first
[04:42:17] mzb: fair enough
[04:42:19] Brad-D: hey guys, silly question but... Can I play tv shows purchased through itunes on mythtv? Or will they be laden with DRM?
[04:42:33] Dagmar: I s'pose all won't be too terribly much spew tho
[04:42:44] Dagmar: Brad-D: You can't.
[04:43:35] mzb: I guess ${WOMAN} is going to be impressed with the tv doing a "drip" sound effect every time the tipper triggers ;)
[04:43:38] jblack: Leaving livetv back to the menu works fine.
[04:43:40] Brad-D: dagmar: so dissapointing. It's like they go out of their way to make sure people don't purchase from them
[04:43:44] mzb: add to that the doors ... hmm
[04:44:00] jblack: let's see what happens when I leave a show after a few minutes. (I do have -v most in effect0
[04:44:05] d0netsFN: sphery thanks, lemme try that
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[04:44:24] jblack: Right now, on the %|"SUBTITLE" stuff, the frontend is quiet. so it's the backend that's having trouble in that spot.
[04:45:16] jblack: ohhhhh. I bet this is two sides of the same coin. when entering watch recordings, or leaving a recorded show, it's getting stuck on the same thing.
[04:45:36] jblack: I'm seeing a couple myth events... RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE delete.
[04:45:38] sphery: yeah--I still think it's preview generation or frontend remote-image cache
[04:45:51] jblack: That's my hunch too.
[04:46:02] jblack: but on the backend, not front.
[04:46:14] jblack: I did disable nfs completely. mercury no onger has a nfts server at all.
[04:46:47] jblack: mercury no longer has a nfs server at all, that is.
[04:47:11] jblack: right now, I'm stuck on an empty watch recordings. i'll pastebin what I got
[04:47:40] jblack: http://pastebin.com/m44c69f46
[04:49:17] jblack: The backend isn't particularly interested in dns, is it? \
[04:49:34] Dagmar: nope
[04:49:37] sphery: no--it never uses name resolution
[04:49:46] Dagmar: I don't see anything out of the ordinary there
[04:49:56] jblack: except the backend just isn't giving anything.
[04:50:01] sphery: just a "unique identifier" (which defaults to your machine's hostname) to IP address setting lookup using the DB
[04:50:26] jblack: the frontend is still stuck on a blank watch recordings screen with a vaguely sql'ish looking line
[04:50:33] Dagmar: Ooh... I have an idea
[04:50:42] Dagmar: Let's make the thing tunnel video over DNS!
[04:50:53] Dagmar: No wait, that's been done. My mistake,
[04:50:59] sphery: jblack: the %|"SUBTITLE" is irrelevant--broken theme
[04:51:02] jblack: yeah. I've tunneled over dns before.
[04:51:10] sphery: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7566 and /many/ more repeated for all the themes
[04:51:20] jblack: sphery: That only displays here when things are um 'stuck'.
[04:51:28] chong: while we're tunneling over dns we should really optimize the video feed; i suggest liberal use of aalib
[04:51:35] sphery: because when things are stuck, you have an empty recording list
[04:51:42] wagnerrp: jblack: not tunneling over port 53, he means actually using the DNS servers to store data, and retrieve it elsewhere
[04:51:45] jblack: Yeah, so it's useful to me atm.
[04:52:03] sphery: the symptom is the empty recording list--which allows you to see the broken theme--but the problem is whatever's causing the list to be empty
[04:52:20] jblack: the impression I'm getting is the backend is silently dropping the request
[04:52:24] sphery: slowness due to backend being too busy to respond to the request for the recording list
[04:52:30] sphery: or communications errors or ...
[04:52:35] Dagmar: Actually, I was thinking about streaming it over DNS
[04:52:54] jblack: maybe the socket to the backend is getting silently closed on the backend side..
[04:52:55] Dagmar: Of course, Comcast would probably go completely spare about that sort of silly DNS load
[04:53:08] jblack: No, that doens't make sense, because I'm getting LIST_CHANGEs
[04:53:10] sphery: chong: I vote for caca--after all, color is cool
[04:53:24] chong: hah
[04:53:46] Dagmar: jblack: Care to entertain the possibility that your problem is _exactly_ what you say it is? That the screens' just gone black
[04:53:47] jblack: so is it possible the backend is just discarding QUERY_RECORDINGS ?
[04:53:56] Dagmar: Everything else might be working, you just cna't see it
[04:53:59] sphery: jblack: or you have an event loop where the backend is connecting to itself and repeating the recording list change messages constantly
[04:54:17] wagnerrp: we should bug Captain Murdoch to put an ascii video renderer into the frontend socket...
[04:54:28] jblack: dagmar: After 10 minutes of being stuck, it does actually go black. :)
[04:54:39] sphery: jblack: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/410728#410728 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/410783#410783
[04:54:39] Dagmar: Ah okay I thought you meant it was going black right away
[04:55:13] sphery: jblack: i.e. do you have, "ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!" in the logs?
[04:55:19] sphery: (master backend log)
[04:55:54] jblack: I'll look
[04:56:11] jblack: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 Nov 28 06:42 mythbackend.log
[04:56:44] sphery: the fact that you're getting a RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE event every 50ms says something weird is happening
[04:56:47] jblack: I supppose EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose" ?
[04:56:59] jblack: Oh, I deleted a big pile of shows a while back
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[04:57:00] sphery: should see that with default verbosity
[04:57:14] jblack: but that was maybe 30 minutes ago.
[04:57:26] sphery: at http://pastebin.com/m44c69f46 time?
[04:57:44] jblack: Nah. you're probably right. something's oddly amiss about that.
[04:58:19] jblack: I'll restart the frontedn and see if there's any interesting logged stuff there
[04:58:26] Dagmar: It HATES the livetv fragments
[04:58:33] sphery: ah, that could be it
[04:58:56] jblack: I did pop into and out of livetv
[04:59:13] jblack: yeah. those were livetv fragments.
[04:59:14] sphery: when it woke up to clear out the LiveTV "less than 2min" fragments, it deleted a bunch of them in a row
[04:59:18] jblack: I see the min the system status
[04:59:35] sphery: and the times for the recordings that were deleted are times for LiveTV
[05:00:13] jblack: nothing useful in system status
[05:00:18] sphery: so nothing too strange about that pastebin, then
[05:00:22] jblack: Yeah. they're within about 30 seconds.
[05:00:45] jblack: the only straange part is that those came after line 10.
[05:00:53] jblack: that means there's comms between the frontend and backend
[05:01:20] jblack: (since the backend is basically saying 'FYI, some stuff I did here')
[05:03:35] jblack: but yeah. watch recordings is sluggish when going into it, switching show groups slow. if I watch a recorded show for more than a few minutes, I never return to watch recordings (black screen). if I watch livetv for a few minutes then go to watch recordings, the list stays empty.
[05:03:59] jblack: there must be something erally broken here.
[05:04:12] jblack: site specific, because I'm sure other people would mention this.
[05:06:57] jblack: brb
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[05:15:41] superm1: chong, eddie128, it's happening due to what appears to either be a consolekit or mythbackend upstart script implementation bug
[05:15:46] superm1: the mythbackend upstart script uses su'
[05:16:06] superm1: there's a few open bugs on launchpad about this, but no consensus on a solution as per yet
[05:18:36] chong: superm1, have a link?
[05:19:09] superm1: somewhere in my 62k message threads in my inbox yes. give me a min to sift through
[05:19:17] chong: lol don't worry about it
[05:19:19] chong: i can google
[05:19:34] superm1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/445953 i believe
[05:21:11] chong: ahh gdm bug not a mythbackend bug
[05:21:30] chong: or consolekit
[05:22:09] superm1: it was originally reported as a gdm bug
[05:22:21] superm1: but after a bunch of discussion later in the bug its either consolekit or mythtv
[05:22:33] chong: yea reading
[05:22:52] chong: it wasn't present in 9.04 (at least on my system)
[05:23:14] superm1: upstart only started being used in 9.10 for mythbackend
[05:23:17] chong: although if any of that depends on pam setup i'm an edge case
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[05:26:38] chong: what's odd is that i have the claimed buggy script in comment #17
[05:26:44] chong: but everything is great here
[05:27:53] chong: wonder what the default /etc/pam.d/common-session-noninteractive file looks like
[05:28:41] chong: :q
[05:28:44] chong: whoops
[05:29:09] superm1: http://pastebin.com/f5e4df786
[05:29:12] superm1: that's the default i know of
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[05:29:35] chong: yea mine is definitely different
[05:30:32] chong: but that's because i don't use the stock ubuntu pam configs
[05:31:28] jblack: Ohhh, this is interesting.
[05:31:33] jblack: 2009-11–29 00:31:13.761 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '6281_20091127210800.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.
[05:32:25] jblack: oh, never mind.
[05:33:02] aormond: Anybody know if it's possible to set a separate master volume for each tuner? One of my tuners is drastically louder than the other.
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[05:34:59] [R]: what kind of tuner
[05:35:10] jblack: aormond: some tuners have their own dsp, with their own mixer.
[05:35:20] jblack: try alsamixer -c1 or alsamixer -c2
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[05:35:35] aormond: it's a pchdtv 5500. I've set up both of its tuners
[05:35:49] aormond: the digital one is much louder
[05:35:49] jblack: Yeah, pchdtv does have it's own mixer. alsamicer -c0, -c1, -c2, etc.
[05:36:10] aormond: thanks. I'll take a look
[05:36:56] eddie128: chong, superm1 Thanks for you help. Problem solved.
[05:37:29] chong: eddie128, did you fix it via the sudo workaround in comment #17?
[05:37:48] eddie128: bbak
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[05:38:23] sphery: aormond: MythTV always sets the volume of the analog capture card using the value specified in the recording profile when it starts recording--i.e. one per profile, no per-card controls
[05:52:07] jblack: what's the keyboard button to tag a file?
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[06:14:21] jblack: I wonder if delete would be faster if when there are a pile of programs to delete, it didn't reschedule after every single deletion
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[06:32:47] wagnerrp: rescheduling is done on the backend, completely independent of the operation of the frontend
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[06:38:30] jblack: I selected a group with 155 items into a playlist, and said delete + allow re-record. Doesn't that whole list go to the backend at the same time for deletion?
[06:39:27] wagnerrp: yes, but its all threaded
[06:39:44] wagnerrp: the frontend sends them off to the backend as fast as it can
[06:40:54] jblack: ok
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[07:17:15] bmidgley2: hey, just got transcoding to work after going through and saving the default settings
[07:17:25] bmidgley2: but the transcoded video is bigger than the original
[07:17:37] bmidgley2: is there a guide or something with suggestions for settings
[07:17:42] wagnerrp: its all in the bitrate
[07:20:18] wagnerrp: check your recording profile, check your transcoding profile
[07:20:23] wagnerrp: what type of tuner are you using?
[07:20:38] bmidgley2: wagnerrp: ok, I see a bitrate if I choose mpeg-4
[07:20:52] bmidgley2: hd3000 and an hdhomerun
[07:20:57] bmidgley2: 3 tuners all together
[07:21:10] bmidgley2: is rtjpeg a bad choice?
[07:21:20] wagnerrp: those are digital tuners, which means you are going to get a nice mpeg2 stream out of them
[07:21:28] bmidgley2: yes
[07:21:34] wagnerrp: mpeg2 is higher efficiency than rtjpeg, but lower than mpeg4
[07:21:44] bmidgley2: ah
[07:22:03] wagnerrp: however transcoding to mpeg4 will result in a nuv... and if you ever want to use these files outside of mythtv, you do not want a nuv
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[07:22:23] bmidgley2: so a friend wants to use them through mythtv
[07:22:36] bmidgley2: it needs to be a lot lighter on bandwidth
[07:22:42] bmidgley2: but I don't want to lose my hd
[07:22:56] wagnerrp: through... mythweb?
[07:23:24] bmidgley2: I watch hd using the native interface, he'll use mythweb
[07:23:25] wagnerrp: mythweb streaming is done on-the-fly, no transcoding needed
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[07:23:56] bmidgley2: but the mpeg2 stream is taking too much bandwidth for my wimpy upstream link
[07:24:04] wagnerrp: the general suggestion is to set use autodetect/mpeg2, and set it to lossless
[07:24:14] wagnerrp: which will clip out commercials, and leave the rest of the file untouched
[07:24:43] wagnerrp: you shouldnt be sending an mpeg2 stream, you should be sending a sorenson flv
[07:25:57] bmidgley2: does transcoding always replace the original? what if I want several versions of a file, a light one, one for iphone, etc
[07:26:22] wagnerrp: then youre SOL
[07:26:41] wagnerrp: that was one of the discussed changes for 0.23, but ive not heard anything more about that in a couple months
[07:29:06] wagnerrp: mythweb has a built in interface for low bitrate streaming to a flash player
[07:29:17] wagnerrp: you seem to be using the full file download
[07:29:24] wagnerrp: thats not what you want for internet usage
[07:29:44] bmidgley2: wagnerrp I looked at the flash player, it is a beta feature in my version
[07:29:58] wagnerrp: yeah... its been a beta version for the last couple years, it works well enough
[07:30:30] wagnerrp: just understand that transcoding HD recordings will be very intensive
[07:30:41] wagnerrp: your backend may not be powerful enough
[07:30:55] bmidgley2: I figured I would transcode just some content
[07:31:28] bmidgley2: not everything
[07:31:28] wagnerrp: a transcode within mythtv is permanent, and will produce a nuv... most likely not something you want
[07:31:37] bmidgley2: hmm
[07:31:59] bmidgley2: I remember seeing someone did a custom transcoder that targeted iphone
[07:32:02] bmidgley2: iirc
[07:32:28] bmidgley2: I have a nokia n810 that I sometimes manually convert media for, too bad it's not easy to automate
[07:32:33] wagnerrp: there are several 3rd party tools to be run as a userjob
[07:32:54] bmidgley2: are there tools that run outside mythtv that are made for targeting handhelds, making exportable media, etc?
[07:33:12] wagnerrp: i know mythbuntu ships with some 'mythexport' for that purpose
[07:34:09] bmidgley2: yes, I have mythexport installed... I'll look at it
[07:34:55] bmidgley2: I guess for the few things my friend is interested in I'll transcode to mp4 with bitrate turned down
[07:35:04] bmidgley2: wait, that will be an nuv?
[07:35:17] wagnerrp: if you use mythtv's internal transcoder, it will produce a nuv
[07:35:38] bmidgley2: ok, I will set up a userjob ;)
[07:35:49] bmidgley2: any guides on userjob for mp4 transcoding?
[07:36:18] wagnerrp: never done so, never looked into it
[07:36:26] bmidgley2: ok I'll look around
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[07:36:30] bmidgley2: thanks for the tips
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[08:43:11] Thermoelectric: Anyone here able to help me with my channel scanning? I have set a grabber and all, but the scan for channels button isn't selectable...
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[08:47:28] Thermoelectric: Hello?
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[09:06:36] newbie9: hi, I'm looking for trouble shooting ideas. I installed fedora 12, did a cat /dev/video0 > file it was working, then installed myth mysql etc.. now I'm getting snow when I cat /dev/video... any ideas of how to fix it? it's a pvr-150
[09:07:32] newbie9: I did try other channels,, the only difference I can think of is that i defaulted the channel to 3, but every channel is the same
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[09:42:09] newbie009: I'sa back, if I tune the tv channel through ivtv i get good tv, though mythtv I get snow
[09:42:14] newbie009: any ideas?
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[10:49:55] xris: newbie009: you might try back during the day.
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[12:47:14] errr-or: hi, is it possible to import my movies, already there, into mythtv?
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[13:12:41] antgel: and mythbox 2 (slave 1) is up with the replacement motherboard. now to actually configure it. have rsynced from mythbox 1, so shouldn't be that much to do (famous last words)
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[14:34:22] mazda01: looking to make the upgrade from .21-fixes to .22 but realized that from a previous hardware and hostname switch I have duplicate entries in my settings table. what would be the easiest way to fix this but still saving my recording schedules etc etc
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[14:46:19] toma: hi, where do i define which tuner is taken by default when starting live-tv?
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[15:26:22] tomas_: hello..
[15:27:28] tomas_: anyone got a clue on this error: saa7130[0]/irq[10,14973]: r=0x20 s=0x10 PE
[15:27:45] tomas_: looping — clearing PE (parity error!) enable bit
[15:35:03] GlemSom: Anyone ever managed to setup mythweb 0.22 on a Gentoo box? I'm stuck here when trying to load the page: http://pastebin.com/md87de46 (phpmyadmin is working fine, so I don't expect it to be a mysql issue)
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[15:37:08] AndyCap: Hmm, where does the dvb channel scanner get the list of countries (and tranports) from?
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[15:50:30] AndyCap: Its compiled in? that's pretty damn stupid.
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[16:00:20] antgel: have just done a channel scan with my slave backend (DVB-T). have some duplicate channels from the DVB-S backend. so do i just now go into the channel editor in mythweb and make the xmltvids, callsigns and names identical?
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[16:01:09] antgel: also, do i create a default storage group on the slave with the same path as on the master (/opt/mythtv-sg-default in my case)
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[16:08:25] antgel: er, also, do i turn off "automatically run mythfilldatabase" on the frontend that runs on the slave backend?
[16:08:35] antgel: and where are my newly-added channels when i watch tv?
[16:10:33] antgel: FFS have to set up keybindings on this new frontend
[16:10:40] antgel: this is all rather fun
[16:17:07] GlemSom: What verbose flags is recommended for debugging "record/ watch tv"? Currently all i see in the log is: http://pastebin.com/m5dd6cac8 which doesn't tell me much. mythfrontend started with -v important,general,playback,record
[16:17:41] wagnerrp: thats because mythfrontend only handles playback
[16:20:30] wagnerrp: also, somehow you managed to get mythweb stuck wanting the 'tmpl' layout, which does not exist
[16:20:33] GlemSom: wagnerrp, ohh, you're right... :/ How could I forget that
[16:20:47] wagnerrp: you want one of 'default', 'iPod', 'lite', or 'wap'
[16:21:05] GlemSom: wagnerrp, Well, that
[16:21:09] GlemSom: hardcoded in mythweb
[16:21:11] wagnerrp: see posts on the mailing list about resetting mythweb to 'default' after it gets stuck on 'wap'
[16:21:29] wagnerrp: its not hard coded
[16:21:43] wagnerrp: that second 'tmpl' in the path it was trying to load is a variable
[16:21:52] wagnerrp: only for some reason, that variable was set to 'tmpl'
[16:24:08] GlemSom: hmm ?RESET_TMPL=true didn't do anything...
[16:27:54] Thermoelectric: Anyone here able to help me with my channel scanning? I have set a grabber and all, but the scan for channels button isn't selectable...
[16:28:28] wagnerrp: youve mapped your source (grabber stuff) to an input on your card?
[16:28:36] Thermoelectric: Yeah
[16:28:37] wagnerrp: youre trying to scan digital?
[16:28:44] Thermoelectric: Analog
[16:28:48] wagnerrp: yeah, analog doesnt scan
[16:29:10] Thermoelectric: So I watch TV how exactly?
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[16:30:03] wagnerrp: over here, schedulesdirect takes care of providing a lineup
[16:30:07] wagnerrp: not sure about other grabbers
[16:30:31] Thermoelectric: Do I still need to grab the channels?
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[16:30:54] wagnerrp: mythtv is next to worthless without an EPG grabber
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[16:31:01] newbie009: if I tune the tv channel through ivtv I can see the tv clearly, though mythtv I'm getting snow. It doesn't seem to set the channel right, the channel scan freezes after the first 12 channels or so, any ideas?
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[16:38:23] newbie009: took a look in the database trying to determine if the frequencies are wrong, they are whole numbers that match the channel number (channel.channum == channel.freqid)
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[16:39:00] newbie009: I'll try deleting the channels, then ivtv setting the channel, then rescanning...
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[16:42:08] newbie009: he chane scan scans 1–13 with a status of "locked", then hits 14 sets to "no lock" and seems to just sit there
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[16:42:23] newbie009: (sorry) the channel scan scans ..
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[16:44:35] GlemSom: Well, i hardcoded to use the default tmpl, now I'm actually seeing the error mythweb is trying to show me... : Call to undefined function t() in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/modules/database/init.php on line 14  :/
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[16:46:57] newbie009: Glensom: that can't be right, maybe there is a include that went astry
[16:47:09] newbie009: astray, sorry wireless keyboard
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[16:49:11] GlemSom: newbie009, Yeah, I manually insertet the include, but not it's missing some other functions.. :/
[16:49:40] GlemSom: I eventried the latest from fixed 0.22-fixes-22920. Still no luck... :(
[16:50:11] GlemSom: I know it's because mythwbe is TRYING to show me an error, but – it fails showing the error... :(
[16:50:17] newbie009: Glensom: perhaps the missing code is in the older files, maybe you could poke around their svn
[16:50:53] antgel: have just done a channel scan with my slave backend (DVB-T). have some duplicate channels from the DVB-S backend. so do i just now go into the channel editor in mythweb and make the xmltvids, callsigns and names identical?
[16:51:06] antgel: to get "rid" of the duplicates that is
[16:56:32] S2: antgel, do you want the duplicate channels?
[16:56:48] S2: if not, i would just set them to invisible and be done with it
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[16:59:04] unique: how can i enable that tmdb plugin ? i want my mythtv to show me info about my movie from imdb
[17:00:46] RDV_Linux: unique: tmdb meta data grabber is integrated with MythVideo. To retrieve metadata within MythVideo you press 'w'
[17:00:52] wagnerrp: there is no 'enabling'
[17:01:03] wagnerrp: if youre running 0.22, its already the default
[17:01:24] GlemSom: ahh, I found the error.. I had to downgrade to mythweb 0.21 (since that has a working error page...). I could then see i was missing an entry in my mysql database...
[17:01:32] wagnerrp: if youre running 0.21, there is a howto on how to drop in replace for imdb.pl, but you should probably upgrade to 0.22
[17:01:58] wagnerrp: and it will not show you info about your movie from imdb, it will do so from themoviedb.org
[17:02:07] newbie009: 0.22 seems to have a problem scanning for channels
[17:02:25] wagnerrp: analog channel scanning is outright broken in 0.22
[17:02:29] antgel: S2: well, i don't want to see e.g. 2 x BBC1 in my programme guide, but i *do* want to be able to have them around in case the backend wants to record on one or other (of the duplicates). i was previously advised that the correct way of doing this was to make the callsign and channel number the same – just wantet to clarify
[17:02:36] unique: well when i select a movie and hit W it tells me No matches were found.. i have the movie called "12 Rounds.avi"
[17:02:47] newbie009: bug #452779
[17:02:50] wagnerrp: as mentioned 3 minutes before you started asking about it
[17:03:35] wagnerrp: unique: then you have to possibilities, either that movie does not exist on themoviedb.org, or the entry on that site has no imdb number listed
[17:04:05] wagnerrp: mythvideo does not use imdb at all, but it still uses the imdb codes for backwards compatibility with existing video databases
[17:04:15] antgel: more importantly (for now) is that the new channels i've added with my new backend are visible in mythweb, but when i go to watch live tv i can't see them. any clues as to why that might be?
[17:04:19] wagnerrp: that will be fixed in 0.23
[17:04:26] unique: do i have to rename the file with the imdb number or something?
[17:04:36] newbie009: wagnerrp: do you know which database field holds the frequencies?
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[17:04:55] wagnerrp: no, if that website i keep pointing to does not have that movie, you need to add it
[17:05:06] wagnerrp: if that website does not have an imdb number listed for that movie, you need to add it
[17:05:23] antgel: in fact whenever i watch tv on this new backend machine's frontend, it's streaming live tv from the master backend. any clues about that?
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[17:05:40] wagnerrp: newbie009: yes, but im not going to advise you on how to add channels manually in the database
[17:05:44] antgel: i thought it would always just do the sensible thing :)
[17:05:51] iamlindoro: /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Movie/tmdb.pl -M "12 Rounds"
[17:05:51] iamlindoro: 1160368:12 Rounds (2009)
[17:05:55] iamlindoro: works fine
[17:05:58] wagnerrp: i also dont know how to manually add channels in the channel editor
[17:06:04] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: that fixes or trunk?
[17:06:12] iamlindoro: tmdb.pl, so same as fixes
[17:06:21] iamlindoro: or at least, same results
[17:06:23] wagnerrp: ah, didnt check the extension
[17:07:15] iamlindoro: So anyway, if the movie is properly named, it should work fine
[17:09:30] unique: oh i had 12 Rounds.2009.avi i guess i cant have the year?
[17:10:09] iamlindoro: Love when people conveniently edit out information
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[17:11:09] unique: so how should they be named?
[17:11:21] iamlindoro: As the name of the movie...
[17:11:53] unique: no year or anything else?
[17:12:08] iamlindoro: no
[17:12:29] unique: when i hit W can it show me what genre the movie is?
[17:12:44] wagnerrp: if that data is on the aforementioned website
[17:12:59] newbie009: wagnerrp: I'm just going to edit the existing channels, I'm very familiar with mysql
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[17:13:34] newbie009: wagnerrp: the channel.freqid field looks suspicious its identicle to channel.channum which doesn't seem right
[17:13:57] dan4dm: hi – myth uses TagLib – is there a recommended way to do tag stuff from python? seems there are a couple of options for bindings
[17:14:37] wagnerrp: freqid is the actual frequency... channum is an arbitrary identifier for the user to use
[17:14:48] wagnerrp: however in the case of analog channels, freqid == channum
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[17:15:22] wagnerrp: dan4dm: the python bindings currently have no built in routines for dealing with mythmusic
[17:15:43] unique: also do i have to hit W for every single movie or can i do em all at once
[17:15:43] newbie009: wagnerrp: thanks, I'll grab the frequencies from ivtv
[17:16:03] wagnerrp: unique: well how many do you have
[17:16:17] unique: like 40
[17:16:35] wagnerrp: you should be able to do that in under a minute
[17:16:46] wagnerrp: grabs are all threaded
[17:16:49] wagnerrp: you dont have to wait for the data to show up before moving onto the next
[17:16:54] newbie009: wagnerrp: I believe all of my channels are analog, actually i have no clue, would it be safer to set both fields for every channel?
[17:17:03] dan4dm: wagnerrp: thanks. there's a python lib called mutagen that does tags, also python-taglib bindings, i'm wondering if myth would influence my choice of which to use
[17:17:54] unique: okay no problem
[17:17:55] unique: :)
[17:18:00] wagnerrp: newbie009: this is why we dont advise people on how to tinker in the database, theres a lot of stuff in there and its easy to mess up even if you know what youre doing
[17:18:52] newbie009: wagnerrp: it's a pvr-150, perhaps I only get analog?
[17:18:56] wagnerrp: dan4dm: tags are tags, the only real non-standard issue you have to worry about is handling of 'album artist'
[17:19:03] wagnerrp: the 150 is analog only, yes
[17:19:22] dan4dm: wagnerrp: yeah that sounds fine, thanks
[17:19:44] wagnerrp: dan4dm: there technically is no such field in id3, so theres several different manners of how to coopt one of the other fields into its use
[17:20:13] newbie009: wagnerrp: thanks for you help
[17:20:29] wagnerrp: also, that ticket number you posted, what is that?
[17:21:22] wagnerrp: based off the range, that sounds like one from ubuntu
[17:22:00] wagnerrp: very few people in here watch that tracker
[17:22:03] dan4dm: wagnerrp: well the concept of a compilation album is clearly too futuristic
[17:22:20] newbie009: wagnerrp: was that for me? – yes ubuntu (but I'm using fedora) found it via google
[17:22:33] wagnerrp: generally the mythbuntu devs triage that tracker, and only bump it up to the myth devs (and myth's trac) if need be
[17:22:54] wagnerrp: just for future reference
[17:23:08] newbie009: yeah i was curious why it was hosted on ubuntu
[17:24:02] newbie009: btw, mythtv has come a long way since i first used it, in fedora i did a yum install, I didn't seem to need to setup the mythtv user, and the backend service is also much nicer
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[17:24:21] newbie009: I've been out of the mythtv loop for 2 years or so
[17:24:57] wagnerrp: myth's own setup is largely the same as it has been when i started using it almost four years ago
[17:25:13] wagnerrp: but different package managers have done various things to automate a lot of the install tasks
[17:25:38] newbie009: i see
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[17:32:08] wagnerrp: im looking at this post to the -users list about the Centon cablecard tuners
[17:32:25] wagnerrp: apparently they offer linux drivers (probably under lock and key)
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[17:32:44] wagnerrp: but their six-tuner board is connected over PCI
[17:34:03] wagnerrp: that card alone could pull 25+MB/s
[17:34:37] wagnerrp: toss in network, sound, possibly hard drive... im surprised theyre not having issues with bus contention
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[17:35:34] Dibblah: 32 bit, 33mHz.
[17:36:01] wagnerrp: i know it will *theoretically* push 133MB/s
[17:36:18] wagnerrp: but once you start multiplexing several devices onto that, it will drop rapidly
[17:37:47] Dibblah: And... http://hd.engadget.com/2009/09/10/hands-on-wi . . . ecard-tuner/
[17:37:51] wagnerrp: meh, i just dont understand why you would make a card likely costing several hundred dollars, and not make it PCIe
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[17:38:14] wagnerrp: certainly any OEM systems will have pcie slots
[17:38:29] Dibblah: ^^^
[17:38:31] wagnerrp: and any end user shelling out that much for a tuner card can just buy a new PCIe system
[17:38:37] Dibblah: That's not PCI.
[17:38:53] newbie009: wagnerrp: manually setting the field doesn't seem to do it, do you think the format of the number matters? ('55.250' / '55.25' / '55.250 MHz')
[17:39:03] wagnerrp: so when they say 'PCI', they just mean slotted computer interface
[17:39:35] antgel: is the overscan setting still in the nvidia-settings tool? after hours of fiddling about, i believe that the issue with my screen here is known as overscan and everyone else in the world knows about it. :) but i can't find anything about it in the nvidia-settings program
[17:39:37] wagnerrp: its not 'freq', its 'freqid'
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[17:39:55] wagnerrp: the channel number, which it then references against an internal frequency table
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[17:40:03] antgel: i'm not getting the overscan with VGA, only with HDMI, but the picture looks washed out with vga
[17:41:45] newbie009: wagnerrp: so I cannot access the actual frequency? Is it on the card?
[17:42:09] wagnerrp: internal to mythtv
[17:42:23] wagnerrp: there is a 'finetune', not sure how to use it
[17:42:40] newbie009: wagnerrp: is there a way for me to fix this then?
[17:42:47] wagnerrp: although im almost certain theres a simpler way to add analog channels than manual database editing
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[17:43:09] wagnerrp: any non-US users want to chime in?
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[17:44:02] newbie009: I'm in the Us
[17:44:24] wagnerrp: well then just pull a lineup from schedulesdirect and be done with it
[17:44:53] newbie009: wagnerrp: the schedulesdirect is the list that I'm editing
[17:45:02] wagnerrp: why?
[17:45:27] newbie009: wagnerrp: the mythtv scan stops at 13 showing some status of "No lock"
[17:45:36] wagnerrp: why are you scanning?
[17:45:43] newbie009: so i've deleted that and used the schedules direct to pull the channels
[17:46:03] wagnerrp: you pull from SD, and thats it
[17:46:10] wagnerrp: no scanning, no tinkering
[17:46:10] newbie009: however the schedulesdirect does not work, however ivtv does
[17:46:17] wagnerrp: if you cannot tune channels outside the VHF range
[17:46:32] wagnerrp: you probably have mythtv set to use a broadcast frequency table, rather than a cable frequency table
[17:46:41] newbie009: not trying to
[17:46:51] wagnerrp: use us-cable, rather than us-bcast
[17:47:02] newbie009: it's set to us-cable not us-bcable
[17:47:27] newbie009: yes sorry us-bcast,, working from memory
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[17:47:59] wagnerrp: other than that, i have no idea what could cause that
[17:48:38] newbie009: it's the exact problem listed on the ubuntu bugs, one user suggested changing the channel table
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[17:49:09] newbie009: I'll try deleting the SD and then using the mythtv scan of the first 13 channels
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[17:51:56] newbie009: same problem with the mythtv scan
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[18:06:23] newbie009: is there a button I can hit to adjust the tuning of the channel ?
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[18:08:19] ** antgel "fixed" the overscan issue with myth's screen setup wizard **
[18:11:33] antgel: then i broke it by going back in the same wizard, now to find where the settings are in the database *sigh*
[18:11:57] wagnerrp: just use the menu to reset it, and start over
[18:11:58] oobe: antgel, that is the only way to fix overscan with hdmi nvidia-settings does not support overscan with hdmi only tv out
[18:12:12] antgel: wagnerrp: ah, i'll have a look, thanks
[18:12:42] antgel: oobe: fair enough. i'll also see if i can find out how to get in my tv's service menu – googling has been useless so far
[18:13:24] oobe: not many plasma's support overscan they all overscan
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[18:13:35] antgel: wagnerrp: ah, "quit without saving" means "reset to default". i feel a bug report coming on unless you happen to know if it's "fixed" in trunk
[18:13:43] oobe: lcd tv's dont overscan at all
[18:13:54] wagnerrp: oobe: like hell they dont
[18:14:00] antgel: oobe: it's an LG LCD, 37". now i'm totally befuddled
[18:14:00] wagnerrp: *most* overscan
[18:14:09] oobe: really
[18:14:12] oobe: my mistake
[18:14:17] ** antgel wipes brow **
[18:14:19] wagnerrp: theres only a handful of the higher end ones that allow you to disable overscan
[18:15:49] oobe: antgel, there should be a reset option as wagnerrp said
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[18:17:44] newbie009: i found that channel 12 displays chanel 99
[18:17:48] antgel: when i go back in screen setup, i can choose "quit without saving" which appears to reset it (to overscan), but then when i go back in there and change the settings again, the frontend becomes windowed, much smaller than the rest of the desktop *boggle*
[18:17:54] antgel: where's the reset option?
[18:18:49] antgel: and now it's working
[18:18:50] wagnerrp: somewhere in the menu, i dont recall off hand
[18:19:05] antgel: i'm not having an especially productive day here :(
[18:21:05] antgel: can i ask again, why can't i see my new backend's channels when i watch tv on the frontend? e.g. channel 83 should be sky sports news, but the frontend just won't tune to it
[18:22:04] wagnerrp: have you restarted all backends/frontends?
[18:22:17] antgel: ah, no. do i need to restart the master backend as well?
[18:22:18] wagnerrp: have you enabled 'browse across tuners', or something of that sort?
[18:22:36] wagnerrp: any time you touch mythtv-setup, you should restart all BEs
[18:23:01] antgel: ooh, not aware of browse across tuners either. and i thought i'd read all docs, but there's so much
[18:23:22] antgel: when i'm done with this install, i'm going to filter my notes into the myth wiki et.c
[18:23:26] wagnerrp: there is data that they only read once on startup, because its not supposed to change, because youre warned against running mythtv-setup when the backend is running
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[18:25:17] antgel: wagnerrp: well, it didn't warn me about running mythtv-setup on the *new* backend when the *old* backend was running
[18:25:33] wagnerrp: i suppose it only does so if it finds an instance on the local machine
[18:26:35] newbie009: could my inability to set the channel though mythtv be a firmware problem?
[18:27:04] wagnerrp: if it works with ivtv_tune.pl, it will work with mythtv
[18:29:33] newbie009: wagnerrp: i can watch mythtv as garbled snow, then at a command line type "ivtv-tune -c 5" switch back to mythtv and it workds
[18:31:07] newbie009: perhaps I could use the "External channel change command"? Can't find the documentation on how to use this field...
[18:32:45] newbie009: I could type ivtv-tune -c ???, not sure how to pass the channel number as a parameter
[18:36:34] Dagmar: man it must be hard being illiterate
[18:36:41] newbie009: ok Fyi the channel parameter is $S
[18:36:55] Dagmar: We can read the output of `command --help`.
[18:37:16] Dagmar: Ah... \
[18:37:34] wagnerrp: he wants to know what mythtv will send the grabber script
[18:38:00] wagnerrp: erm.. changer script
[18:38:26] newbie009: well I'm up running, thanks for the help
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[18:39:49] Dagmar: Argh. That needs to be better documented
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[18:40:13] wagnerrp: it just sends a single arg with the channel number
[18:40:25] wagnerrp: so the script would just be 'ivtv-tune -c $1'
[18:41:01] Dagmar: What's the $S he was talking about then?
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[18:41:07] wagnerrp: no idea
[18:41:13] Dagmar: Okay.
[18:41:18] Dagmar: I'm just going to try not to think about it then
[18:41:39] newbie009: what I typed was "ivtv-tune -c $S" into the textbox, I didn't create a script for it
[18:41:43] Dagmar: I always assumed it just passed the channel number along to the script in question without needing extra args
[18:41:55] newbie009: when .23 comes out I'll probablly be able to remove it
[18:42:43] Dagmar: So why did you put "$S" in there?
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[18:44:35] Dagmar: newbie009: YO.
[18:44:42] Dagmar: I don't think you need the $S.
[18:44:49] Dagmar: I dont' think it's serving any purpose, man
[18:45:02] wagnerrp: well i wouldnt think he needs the channel change script on an ivtv card, but you know...
[18:45:46] Dagmar: Another fine point
[18:45:58] ** Dagmar quickly drinks more coffee **
[18:46:45] mazda01: looking to make the upgrade from .21-fixes to .22 but realized that from a previous hardware and hostname switch I have duplicate entries in my settings table. what would be the easiest way to fix this but still saving my recording schedules etc etc
[18:47:00] mazda01: sorry, if someone answered before. i went away and just got back.
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[18:47:16] antgel: sorry for asking over and over, but it's still not clear. if i have the same channel coming in from two sources, is it recommended to ensure that callsign and channel number are the same in the guide, or is this likely to confuse myth? also presumably in this case i don't need to set the xmltvid for both sources?
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[18:48:50] mchou: antgel: keeping callsigns and channels the same is recommended
[18:49:06] antgel: mchou: thanks :)
[18:49:07] mchou: otherwise recording rules might duplicate
[18:49:39] antgel: mchou: does the long name have to match as well (just for my own curiosity)
[18:49:48] mchou: if the channum is different on each source that's OK
[18:50:27] mchou: antgel: I actually dont recall if long name should match
[18:50:40] mchou: but callsigns for sure
[18:50:47] antgel: it doesn't make sense for it *not* to match so i'll set that as well
[18:51:35] mchou: and you should set xmltvid for both sources, iirc
[18:52:13] mchou: cause you still d/l the program info from SD
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[18:53:38] mchou: the only exception to this rule is when you haave multiple tuners hooked up to the same source
[18:54:15] mchou: then you dont have to worry as much about replication
[18:55:01] Dagmar: antgel: Unless you've a reason to want one source used more often than the other, it shoudln't confuse myth
[18:55:43] antgel: Dagmar: not *really*, although i do feel that SD over DVB-T is better quality than SD over DVB-S, at least here in the UK
[18:56:23] Dagmar: Enh, well, make sure the "best" tuners get added first then since that's it's picking order from what I remember
[18:56:58] antgel: doh!
[18:57:04] antgel: not such a big deal
[18:57:20] jblack: i think there's an option in the tuners to set their priority in the backend setup
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[18:58:21] jblack: So, I made some real progress last night on my problem.
[18:58:56] jblack: I had about 2,200 recorded shows in all programs. I cut it back back to about 750 recorded shows and the recorded programs screen is behaving much, much better.
[18:59:05] Dagmar: lol
[18:59:18] wagnerrp: youre sounding like sphery there
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[18:59:30] Dagmar: Yeah dude that's kinda a "known" issue
[18:59:40] Dagmar: If you have omgjillions of recordings, the menu's gonna be slow.  :)
[18:59:42] wagnerrp: getting around to watching shows 2 years after the fact
[18:59:47] jblack: 0.21 all the way to 0.18 handled a couple thousand shows with no problem. 0.22, it gives 30 second freezes.
[19:00:18] jblack: Dagmar: I wish you had told me 3 days ago. Sphery and I have been going crazy trying to figure out what broke.
[19:00:26] Dagmar: Profile it
[19:00:36] Dagmar: Either that or use -v all
[19:00:55] Dagmar: I would imagine that with 30s delays, watching -v all should make it really obvious what's sucking so hard
[19:01:12] jblack: it's a little hard now. I already deleted 2/3 of the shows i hd.
[19:02:06] jblack: All my losts, gone. all my south parks, gone. All my Earls, gone. All my nightlines.. well, you get the pattern
[19:02:15] Dagmar: Yes.
[19:02:24] Dagmar: Sounds like you're making an effort to raise the quality of programming
[19:02:39] ** jblack tries to not take that personally **
[19:02:57] Dagmar: Why do you bother keeping SouthPark copied locally anyway?
[19:03:13] Dagmar: When was the last time you went to their website?
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[19:04:00] Dagmar: THey have every episode up for live streaming, including what just aired
[19:04:17] jblack: I bothered because 1) they dont' show it locally any more, and 2) I have a nice big TV I can watch tv on while laying on a couch, or a small dinky laptop I can watch stuff on when sitting at a desk.
[19:04:18] antgel: earl makes me chuckle
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[19:06:06] jblack: Do you really want to turn this into "why were you doing the things the way you wanted, instead of my clearly superior approach" ?
[19:06:38] Dagmar: nope
[19:07:02] Dagmar: I was just wondering why the seeming waste of disk
[19:07:33] jblack: I'm genuinely angry at you.
[19:07:49] Dagmar: You've misinterpreted my line of reasoning there then
[19:08:01] jblack: I spent three days here blowing away databases, ripping machines apart, causing all sorts of havok.
[19:08:15] Dagmar: Parker/Stone are practically approaching the issue of distribution as if it were "lol they pay us money!"
[19:08:40] dustybin: 19:07 < jblack> I'm genuinely angry at you. Your not the only one, i think Dagmar is a troll
[19:08:40] jblack: I _finally_ figure things out, and your response is "oh, everyone knows that". If you knew that, then what is so wrong with you that you couldn't take 15 seconds to say "Hey, how many shows do you have recorded"?
[19:08:55] jblack: Now your'e gonna sit here and ask
[19:09:11] jblack: dustybin: Oh. Heh.
[19:09:16] antgel: jblack: you might as well direct your anger towards something productive
[19:09:18] jblack: Dagmar: plonk.
[19:09:32] Dagmar: dustybin is the troll.
[19:09:42] jblack: I was ready to figure out where he lived so taht I could go pop him one in the mouth.  :)
[19:09:57] dustybin: Rude arrogant people are the trolls in this channel
[19:09:59] Dagmar: But hey, get all bent out of shape when someone's interested in isolating a bug
[19:10:05] Dagmar: See if I give a damn
[19:10:23] Dagmar: I'll give you my addres if you wanna come try and take a poke at me
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[19:11:40] Dagmar: Pulling up TWO THOUSAND bits of data from disk is going to take awhile
[19:11:43] Dagmar: Common sense should tell you that
[19:11:54] Dagmar: That having been said, thirty seconds is probably a bit longer than that should take
[19:12:13] Dagmar: Pardon me for not guessing it was _that_ long until after that detail was given
[19:12:16] Dagmar: Fucler
[19:12:41] wagnerrp: the UI is only going to fetch however much data is on screen, so beyond a certain amount, thats set
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[19:12:54] wagnerrp: aside from that, the data load should be linear based off the number of recordings
[19:13:21] wagnerrp: loading time should have been cut to ~10s
[19:14:11] wagnerrp: theres no sufficient information there that you would be close to swapping
[19:14:16] wagnerrp: s/no/not/
[19:14:30] Dagmar: God only knows what the sql server is doing
[19:14:42] Dagmar: I'd like to hope that it's the SQL server screwing up somehow
[19:15:02] Dagmar: Stll, no point in guessing at it without -v all or some cheap-ass profiling report
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[19:15:21] wagnerrp: it is possible that one of those 1400 or so recordings you deleted had some garbled data that mysql was choking on
[19:15:29] jblack: wagnerrp: huh.
[19:15:35] jblack: That's definitely possible.
[19:15:59] jblack: while wiping stuff out, there was perhaps a couple dozen shows that didn't exist.
[19:16:24] jblack: I haven't gotten all of 'em, but I did get a lot.
[19:16:47] wagnerrp: beyond that, i dont know if any of the devs besides sphery keep such large volumes of recordings
[19:17:10] Dagmar: SO AGAIN
[19:17:11] wagnerrp: and sphery was running 0.21 throughout the dev process, so he wouldnt have noticed a performance regression
[19:17:22] jblack: I think there's a different issue going on as well, that is greatly worsened by packrat syndrome
[19:17:24] wagnerrp: but i have to believe he would have said something about it in the last month
[19:17:33] Dagmar: Even one half-assed attempt at watching the machine in realtime to see what it's doing during those thirty seconds would be worth more than all this speculation
[19:18:06] jblack: even with groups that have 5 or 6 shows recorded, I'm getting pauses up in human time when switching.
[19:18:10] Dagmar: ...and he can still kiss my ass for getting bent out of shape about me not knowing the scope of his problem until he mentioned it
[19:18:31] jblack: Ok. I'm down to 2 bad shows. Let me find those.
[19:18:42] jblack: at least bad enough that GetPlaybackURL chokes.
[19:19:07] wagnerrp: give 'optimize_dbase.pl' a run while your at it
[19:19:08] ** Dagmar goes back to stabbing Qt4 build scripts in the face. **
[19:19:39] jblack: When I went from 5.0 to 5.1 last night, I did a dump and a reload. Still worth it?
[19:20:01] wagnerrp: probably not
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[19:28:44] jblack: Ok. it's nto choking on missing shows.
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[19:54:44] GlemSom: When watching a recording, the "Please wait" screen is blocking the image (sound is playing though)... To get around it, I have to skip forward – then the picture is updated... Is that a known bug?
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[19:56:24] [R]: wow, thats not right
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[20:19:16] tzanger: Good afternoon
[20:19:41] tzanger: when I use a uPnP compatible device it finds my mythtv backend just fine, but the recordings list shows TONS of recordings that have been gone for (literally) years
[20:19:54] tzanger: is there any good way to purge the recorded table so these don't show up anymore?
[20:23:34] wagnerrp: it should only show existing, non-livetv recordings
[20:23:55] wagnerrp: if you have orphaned database entries, there is a perl script in contrib to deal with those
[20:26:20] tzanger: wagnerrp: ok, let me poke around
[20:26:31] tzanger: I'm also running a very old myth from svn, but I won't update because it's working ;-)
[20:26:45] wagnerrp: just how old?
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[20:27:29] tzanger: one moment I'll tell you :-)
[20:27:50] tzanger: 0.21-fixes, svn r18228
[20:28:11] tzanger: actually since I'm only OTA (ATSC) now it should probably be safe to upgrade
[20:28:52] tzanger: mythfindorphans.pl?
[20:29:07] wagnerrp: something like that
[20:29:13] wagnerrp: its got 'orphans' in the name
[20:29:15] iamlindoro: 4500 revisions ago, nice
[20:29:26] tzanger: there we go
[20:30:17] wagnerrp: sure, but how many of those were actually -fixes revisions? maybe a couple hundred?
[20:30:41] iamlindoro: I took "svn" to mean "trunk"
[20:31:07] tzanger: +64GB and a shitton of DB entries removed
[20:31:15] tzanger: 416 missing recordings were fixed
[20:31:50] wagnerrp: you probably should have run the '-simulation' or '-test' or whatever mode first
[20:34:07] tzanger: I did
[20:34:14] wagnerrp: ok
[20:34:20] tzanger: it starts out in test mode (just reporting) and then asks you to --dodelete and --dodbdelete afterward
[20:34:24] tzanger: if the output looks legit
[20:34:26] wagnerrp: ah
[20:35:09] tzanger: there's something just not right about a 30min Simpsons episode taking 4GB
[20:35:16] tzanger: HD cartoons, whoda thought
[20:35:45] wagnerrp: seriously... my 30min sitcoms take ~2GB
[20:35:52] tzanger: yes
[20:35:59] tzanger: it's just the raw TS stream
[20:36:06] wagnerrp: you and your dirty high-bitrate broadcasters
[20:36:09] tzanger: er TS I guess... transport stream stream heh
[20:36:17] tzanger: yeah OTA HD is awesome
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[20:36:44] tzanger: there's no way I"d pay rogers or bell for their content now that I get the basics over the air and in much better quality
[20:37:06] tzanger: gotta do some tuning still, but it's pouring rain here and I still have a strong signal from the CN tower which is 100mi away
[20:37:08] Brad-D: tzanger: where are you located? In toronto?
[20:37:15] tzanger: Brad-D: no, Kitchener
[20:37:17] Brad-D: ahh guess not :)
[20:37:27] Brad-D: nice! I used to live in Kitchener, dad still lives there
[20:37:44] Brad-D: how many channels do you get?
[20:37:55] tzanger: Digiwave ANT-2190 on the roof, fixed aim, ripped out their craptastic "balun" and used a good quality one and a CM-7777 preamp up there
[20:38:25] tzanger: I had built a 4:1 custom coax loop voltage balun, gotta build a 1:1 current balun and see what that'll get me
[20:38:50] tzanger: the only thing that'd do better would be to use a better amp (I have 2dB noise figure right now, I can get 1dB without spending a fortune), or ganging antennas
[20:38:53] tzanger: but really this is good
[20:39:00] tzanger: I get between 10 and 13 stations depending on day/night
[20:39:10] Brad-D: wow it does sound good
[20:39:14] Brad-D: how long have you been using mythtv?
[20:39:28] tzanger: at night I get two more US stations I'm picking up off the side and another canadian one I am not sure where it's at jsut yet
[20:39:45] tzanger: but this is all just ATSC; I am not interested in analogue tv at all (and the HVR2250 has no analog drivers anyway)
[20:39:50] wagnerrp: considering that revision, at least a year and a half
[20:39:52] tzanger: Brad-D: me? 4.5 years or so?
[20:39:57] tzanger: something like that
[20:40:03] tzanger: wagnerrp: yeah but I've been running myth quite a bit longer than that
[20:40:14] GlemSom: Using mythtv-0.22 fixes 22290, DVB-c. I have some channels I cannot tune to... I get this in the mythbackend.log: http://pastebin.com/m69e6a34b What could be causing this?
[20:40:19] tzanger: it is just the best media center for me, hands down.
[20:40:38] tzanger: tried a few commercial front-ends but always come back to mythfrontend
[20:42:49] tzanger: actually I was playing with the HVR2250 driver a bit, I wanted to shut off the AGC amp it has internally
[20:42:58] tzanger: since the noise figure on it is so much worse than waht my preamp has
[20:43:15] tzanger: I've done a lot of linux driver work, but that driver (well the documentation on the chip really) is ... crap
[20:43:39] tzanger: if it is set up right, though, it shouldn't make a difference since the AGC would be driving the amp to 0 gain and turning up the attenuator anyway
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[21:01:00] kleinfelter: When I insert a DVD, I get a blank screen (with the theme background color – not a black screen). I have "Display mythdvd menu" configured for DVD insertion. Myth 0.22. Suggestions?
[21:02:49] [R]: kleinfelter: i see the same thing... drives me nuts
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[21:04:50] kleinfelter: I ran with debug, and I see that it goes to load videomenu.xml. I took a look at that file, and it looks similar to other menus in /usr/share/mythtv.
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[21:06:20] kleinfelter: Curiously, pressing ESC doesn't restore the prior menu, but if I press ESC then enter, it navigates as if prior menu had been shown. I suspect cache problem.
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[21:13:22] Pelo: evening folks
[21:13:51] Pelo: I'm setting up a media box from an old computer and I'm wondering if mythtv is what i realy want /need , can I get some input ?
[21:14:08] wagnerrp: what do you want?
[21:14:31] Pelo: first i'll be using an old 19" tube tv for a monitor
[21:15:01] Pelo: I've been told that mythtv is setup to take those kinds of rez into account and still present a decent interface
[21:15:26] wagnerrp: mythtv has 4:3 themes available for old CRT TVs
[21:15:30] wagnerrp: however far less than before
[21:15:39] wagnerrp: 0.22 saw a complete UI rewrite
[21:15:49] wagnerrp: which made all of the old themes non-functional
[21:16:04] wagnerrp: and currently only one 4:3 theme for the new UI exists
[21:16:27] Pelo: second I won'T be using this for tv viewing, not tv tuner card, i'll just be viewing video from my other computer via network , is this still in the realm of the possible
[21:16:47] Pelo: no problem with the theme , it's more of usablilty issue
[21:17:31] wagnerrp: if you are not going to be using this as a PVR, you need to seriously reconsider running mythtv
[21:17:46] Pelo: PVR ?
[21:17:51] wagnerrp: mythtv is first and foremost for recording and watching tv
[21:17:55] wagnerrp: PVR = personal video recorder
[21:18:03] Pelo: ok,
[21:18:23] Pelo: so I have my answer then , mythtv is not what I want,
[21:18:28] wagnerrp: 0.22 also saw a rewrite of mythvideo and mythbrowser
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[21:18:36] wagnerrp: bringing them up to par with other similar systems
[21:18:44] Pelo: too bad, It looked nice other wise
[21:18:48] wagnerrp: but music, news, weather, are all rather aged
[21:18:56] Pelo: I have no idea waht mthvideo and myth browser are
[21:19:08] wagnerrp: mythtv only offers PVR capability
[21:19:18] wagnerrp: all other functionality is done through plugins
[21:19:25] Pelo: ic
[21:19:32] wagnerrp: mythvideo is what allows access of arbitrary video files and DVD drives
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[21:19:53] wagnerrp: as opposed to mythtv, which only does files it has recorded
[21:20:06] Pelo: this is clearly not what I was lookng for,
[21:20:20] Pelo: got a recommendation ?
[21:20:53] wagnerrp: xbmc and hulu are the common ones for media players
[21:21:01] wagnerrp: s/hulu/boxee/
[21:21:26] wagnerrp: i have a friend who uses moovida (formerly elisa)
[21:22:14] Pelo: ok, thanks for the heads up
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[21:29:21] tmkt: anyone else experiencing a 2–3 minute delay for the remote to start working when the front end starts up
[21:30:49] iamlindoro: sure your issue isn't caused by you turning on your LCD TV?
[21:31:00] tmkt: nah..tv is on forever
[21:31:06] tmkt: i quit front end
[21:31:10] tmkt: and start up front end
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[21:31:24] tmkt: then have to wait about 2 minutes before front end responds to remote
[21:31:32] tmkt: irw is picking up the signal
[21:31:41] tmkt: then after 2 minutes...frontend and remote work perfectly
[21:32:07] Dagmar: Sounds like an lirc configuration issue to me
[21:32:10] tmkt: so..not a problem if i'm not restarting the front end..but right now configuring buttons the remote...is becoming tedious
[21:32:30] Dagmar: Sounds even MORE like an lirc configuration issue to me now
[21:32:37] tmkt: using ir-kbd-i2c, but had the same problem before with lirc_i2c
[21:32:50] Dagmar: ...and even more.
[21:34:12] tmkt: not sure how..its default lirc config and the problem occurs
[21:35:39] tmkt: hvr-1600...only started with 0.22
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[21:42:03] tmkt: Hmm..looks like its not a 22 thing http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/373006
[21:43:35] tmkt: nothing to do with lirc
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[22:14:54] |chiz|: should it work ok to connect a version 0.22 frontend to a 0.21 backend?
[22:15:06] iamlindoro: no
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[22:18:03] |chiz|: ok thanks
[22:20:34] |chiz|: is it true that you can't use mplayer to play movies in mythvideo?
[22:20:52] |chiz|: ..is 0.22
[22:20:57] |chiz|: *in
[22:21:04] wagnerrp: only if you use storage groups
[22:21:11] wagnerrp: if you use direct file access, mplayer works just fine
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[22:29:52] |chiz|: cool, thanks
[22:31:14] [R]: speaking of storage groups
[22:32:01] [R]: in mythvideo, when i go into it... i see an entry "storage groups" and then i go into it and then i can see my stuff... but i coulda sworn w/o storage groups if you have a 1 dir inside the dir you set as your mythvideo dir... it just showed the contents, and not that 1 dir
[22:32:05] [R]: if that makes sense...
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[22:36:19] floppyears: hi guys
[22:36:23] floppyears: I have mythtv and I love it
[22:36:36] floppyears: unfortunately the content provided by my cable company is junk
[22:36:52] floppyears: is it possible to hook mythtv to display content from other sources?
[22:37:03] floppyears: or maybe interface with paid content?
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[22:40:54] tzanger: floppyears: not really no
[22:41:00] tzanger: I've been playing with the idea off and on for years
[22:41:28] [R]: boxee can do hulu and stuff
[22:43:34] floppyears: thanks guys
[22:45:33] floppyears: I might try boxee, but I really have grown to like mtythv a lot. I just don't like my horrible cable provider :(
[22:45:39] floppyears: and there's no other good option
[22:45:49] floppyears: I'm stuck using their analog signal
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[22:53:23] cesman: floppyears: hulu has a linux desktop client
[22:53:58] cesman: download, install and ad an entry in the menu to launch from MythTV...
[22:54:00] cesman: that is that
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[23:12:43] booghotfoot: Has anyone here had success getting IR Blaster to work with an Amino AmiNet110 STB?
[23:14:39] [R]: so i tried lowering the dvd speed to 2x... and it didnt seem to make it quieter
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[23:23:05] floppyears: cesman: awesome. thanks for the tipi
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[23:24:50] cesman: floppyears: you're welcome
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[23:34:47] antgel: any practical difference between making channels invisible, and deleting them? all i can come up with is if i delete channels i don't want then do a scan, they're at risk of being re-added and visible
[23:35:07] wagnerrp: if theyre deleted, they will come back visible again during the next scan
[23:35:08] antgel: of course, making them invisible makes the mythweb channel info page rather long
[23:35:15] antgel: wagnerrp: as i thought, thanks
[23:37:44] antgel: wow, the long road is nearly at an end, going through mythweb tweaking channel details actually feels good
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